Crime in Sports - #189 - Funkadelic Toothlessness - The Flyness of James "Fly" Williams

Episode Date: December 31, 2019

This week, we check out a legend of the New York City playground basketball scene, who made it all the way to the pros, before his interesting personality, and flair for the dramatic got him banished back to the playground, and eventually to a much worse place than that. He seemingly cleaned up his act after recovering from a gunshot wound, and some time in prison, by helping kids, and becoming a role model... until the police came breaking down the door, accusing him of being a drug kingpin! Super Fly! Be an icon of the playground, lose half of your bodily organs from a shotgun blast, then become the king of New York, drug style!! It's James "Fly" Williams!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder#  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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This show's going to come out on New Year's Eve, so we feel like it needs to be a party. You can't have something that's going to bring people down. Oh, my God. They buried her in the desert. Jesus Christ. That's depressing. It's got to be lights and disregard. Discovered by campers with her, you know, half-dismissed.

No, oh, God, a surfboard bag. Jesus Christ. No, none of that shit. We're going to go just as crazy, but wow, just an entertaining different direction this week. So let's get down to it with our, and he's a star, boy. Let's get our star of the week here. It's a man named James Williams.

No. You don't know who he is, right? Never heard. And he sounds very run of the mill. Yeah. James Williams. Yeah. Could be anybody.

Could be anybody. Everybody knows one. My insurance agent, James Williams, told me yada yada. And you could fill in the fucking blank and you'd never doubt it for a second, right? But what if I gave you his nickname also? Oh, boy. Then it's going to be different. James Fly Williams.

That's all he got? Oh, Fly, though, in the 70s? Didn't we have one already in the 70s that was Fly? Yeah, him. Oh, it was Sly Williams. Yeah, no, no. Didn't we have Sly Williams? We had Sly with the aggressive anal war.

Right. I didn't hear that. He had aggressively nasty anal war. He called into basketball. i didn't hear that he had aggressively uh nasty anal he called into basketball you don't hear you people call it into work but you don't hear guys call it into the game much he called into basketball sick one day because of quote aggressively nasty anal warts that he couldn't get rid of and sit on the bench i just can't do it man and they were like wow so if you listen to that episode by the way it's back oh jesus i don't even remember in the 40s i think or 50s of episodes so we've got fly williams and sly williams fly now man this fly is a legend fly is a new york city

playground legend yeah and also kind of a legend of the aba of the 70s here and uh his his style he he's a he's an icon this guy put it that way to earn the nickname fly if you're the fly you know in new york then it's that's a good thing and we'll find out why how he got these nicknames and everything else he's born and by the way i think he's a junior oh really yeah i'll tell you why later but i'm pretty sure he's a junior. But I couldn't get exact documentation, but 99% sure he's a junior. And it makes perfect sense. Behavior's all junior. And then later on, it rolls downhill. And there's just junior on junior action going on here.

Not good. Not in a sexual way, Jimmy. Jesus Christ. In a legal crime and sports way. This isn't fucking incest in sports. this isn't fucking incest in sports hello and welcome to incest in sports we've had a few yeah buck zoom off would have qualified he would have loved it it was just every week tell you more about buck zoom oh boy he's disgusting jesus that's another episode you should listen to if you want to get nauseous what a dirty yeah he dripped with gross

he was disgusting yes so uh he's born back February 18th, 1953. Okay. So we're talking, you know, he's an older guy now here. Now, he is from Brooklyn, by the way, which we will be. Yes. With Small Town Murder on, what date is it? May the 23rd. Right.

He will be in Brooklyn at Murmur. Right. And there is the name of the place. Looks great. And yeah, check that out. That's going to be fun. So anyway, he's from Brooklyn. He grows up.

This is the thing. We're going to be in Brooklyn performing a show because Brooklyn is nice now. Yeah. Brooklyn was not always nice. Like now, places where people are confidently push their baby carriages now. When I was a teenager teenager we're not talking 60 years ago when i was a teenager they would have been killed immediately but after they're robbed and then possibly thrown in the river yeah like that's that that no you couldn't just walk around

fucking greenpoint right like that wasn't okay there's a reason spike lee uh takes street cred and being from brooklyn is no big deal there's still a lot of shitty places in brooklyn it's not near as dangerous it's also like oh brooklyn's trendy yeah that's why we're going there it's like that's trendy it's not as much of a pain in the ass to get into as manhattan it's not so much easier no back then it was brooklyn jesus why the fuck are you going there are you buying drugs are you selling drugs as your grandmother lived there those are the only three reasons why you have to go to Brooklyn. Drugs, drugs, grandma. That's it.

So now it's way different. Now Williamsburg has been like, it's wealthy. Really? Oh, my God. That's really up. For years now it's been. I mean, it's been for over 10 years. That was like one of the first things to get overly gentrified in brooklyn but that in the you know in the 80s and 90s it was

garbage it was shitty it smelled like fish yeah nobody wanted to fucking be there you buy it cheap you could buy every all of it nobody wanted it they would be like you want to buy this for what why why you could just be here no one cares just go burn it down no one will notice new york city zip code is that all you're after it's not even that it's a brooklyn zip code it's a different thing so uh he grows up in brownsville in the project yeah now brownsville is still fucking dangerous so yeah brownsville east new york there's a lot of these places that are still that the gentrification has not penetrated places like east new york so much where that's a it's a tough nut to crack it's like the south bronx it's like they've been trying for a while but you gotta

that's a lot to go there who passed out behind the wheel after doing uh shit loads of blow in brown king that was bernard king yeah this is another new york playground guy or new york basketball that's what i mean it's a it's Jesus Christ. It's just very, this is a, this was tough times to grow up in it. And especially like in the fifties, not so much, but when he's a kid growing up through the sixties, that's when Brooklyn kind of starts to really deteriorate. Like the projects when they first built them were nice. You know what I mean? They were, they were nice in the forties and the fifties, they weren't bad. And then they got bad later on. That's how it happened. So, uh, you know, when he was born, it might have been fine.

He's raised by his mother. His mother's from South Carolina. So it's, you know, some southern people that came up there. His father, not around at all. And who knows? Like we've said, the age old question. Yeah. Is it better for the father to just never be around or stick around and beat the living shit out of anyone with an arm's reach?

One way you're taking lumps. Are they from life or from? Yeah, that's what I mean. So it's one of the two. So it's kind of one of those things here. He has a tough upbringing because his mother does not have a lot of money at all. Oh, by the way, I wanted to say about gentrification. I'm a big fan of gentrification, by the way.

So, no, I don't like society build it on its own i just don't like it i don't like i don't like people going we're gonna change this and then just like that means we're gonna make everyone who lives here now leave and i'm gonna turn their places into lofts that's what i'm gonna do like i get like you want to make shit nice but not just wipe it out and fucking turn everything into cupcake shops you can salting the earth your fucking baby carriage down the street like 2000 style yeah it just doesn't seem right it just seems very japanese internment like well this looks like we're gonna take this you're over here it feels i know they're not interning i'm not saying that it just feels racist but it's not it's it's not necessarily geared that way but it certainly feels it.

It's capitalism is what it is. That's the driving force. No one says, we're going to take this neighborhood. There's not a group of gay guys standing there going, we're going to take this neighborhood over because we hate Puerto Ricans. That's not what they're saying. It's just like they're going to go, this is cheap, and I don't mind. I'm not afraid of being stabbed for right now. We can turn it around and make more money. We're going to turn it around, and I'll open a cupcake shop in the cheap, and I don't mind. I'm not afraid of being stabbed for right now. We can turn it around and make more money.

We're going to turn it around, and I'll open a cupcake shop in the corner, and it goes from there. So that's what I mean. Sooner or later, we're going to have Morton's wanting a place in here. Yeah, so that's how it works, or whatever the hipster version of that is. Whoever makes craft beer and serves steaks. That's the thing, yeah. So maybe not steaks. Maybe some sort of vegan alternative.

I'm not sure. They serve portobello. The Impossible Burger. Something with an impossible burger. Oh, maybe some sort of vegan alternative. I'm not sure. They serve portobello. The impossible burger. Yeah. Something with an impossible burger. Oh, it's all plant-based. Fuck you. By the way, since when did-

Jam that shit right up your ass. They used to go, it's a vegetarian burger. Now they're like, it's plant-based. It's plant-based. It elevates it. Right. Don't stop with the buzzword. They say it to get two extra dollars out of it.

Plant-based. Plant-based. Elevated. No. right don't stop with the buzzword they say it to get two extra dollars out of it based elevated it's no because it's a made of shitty ground up vegetables doesn't mean it's elevated or based and play fuck you stop saying elevated still a veggie burger you fucking stop it by the way if you watch watch bobby flay just watch it go on hulu and watch a few like beat bobby flay's or just it's like a random cooking show. He's fucking terrific. By the way, isn't anything against Bobby Flay,

but every single chef that comes on there to compete, they're like, well, I make fucking food cart food, but it's elevated to no, you don't. What you've done is you've caramelized some horse shit and then put it on your food cart shit. And you called it elevated, and now you charge $14 to get food through a window while you smell diesel exhaust.

That's what we're doing now. Shut the fuck up. Make your food elevate my ball sack. That's the new way to... It's because Emeril took kicking up a notch. So he took that shit, so they've got to figure out a new way. You can take fucking food that college kids can make at two in the morning in their dorm, and you can put one stupid extra ingredient on it, and you go, it's elevated.

And that means it's worth twice as much now. There's Tabasco in your mac and cheese. Now give me $13. A different kind of bread on a different this. Oh, this burger's, oh, it's a truffle oil. It's elevated. It's fucking $14. No, stop.

We're all falling for it. Elevated on the fucking prices. Stop it. Stop it. I can't wait. Can't wait. I'll say it right now. Eventually, the economy will not be as decent as it is now, and everyone's going to be like,

why is this fucking burger $18? Oh, it's elevated. No, motherfucker, it's not.'s not called inflated fuck you can i have it de-elevated back down where it was can you elevate yeah hold the truffle oil thank you hold the truffle oil and ten dollars and like i've said a thousand times keeps the goddamn grease off the fucking bun it's a handle that's what it's there for. Otherwise, you just grab the meat. It's only there. So you don't have to grab greasy meat with your hands like a fucking animal.

That's why there's a bun. So when you rub shit on it, you're ruining it. What adds extra flavor? Guess what? You can put the flavor on the inside of the fucking bun with the burger. If there's not enough flavor in there for you, you have made a shitty burger. You fucking assholes. I put burger juice on the outside god they rub grease on it

i'm like what are you doing you've just ruined it that's like taking tires and going just fucking coat them in something really slick just coat them in vaseline three inches worth there's nothing funnier than being on the road with you and you being already uh already unbelievably exhausted and annoyed. And then you have to eat at the airport. You like shake your hands like your hands are having a seizure at the food. And you go, I can't eat this. I can't eat this. And then he gets up for a $30 airport meal and gets on a fucking plane and bitches at the airplane. Food sucks.

I don't care. I don't care. don't care of course it sucks that's all terrible what decent food i don't even want like it doesn't have to be elevated i just want something decent i don't care if it's a and then he's stewing from uh iowa to phoenix there was grease all over it this is how not picky i. This is how not picky I am. I don't care. Like when we go to Philly, I basically just eat Wawa sandwiches for $5

because they're good. Like I'm not someone who's like, this is beneath me. I'll take shit. I love a shitty $5 sandwich. If it's edible, I'm like,

awesome, I win. I just can't take grease all over it. Stop elevating my food. And putting shit on there that doesn't belong. Stop elevating.

There's too much on it. I don't don't want anymore hamburger cheese done i'm done so back to fly yeah fly was not elevated at all uh flies the father not around here uh he he also he has older brothers but they're spotty in and out and gone back forth it's not he doesn't really have a lot of male father figures influences so you know he's got he's got a lot of problems uh gets in a lot of fights around there and he's a skinny kid too he's tall but he's skinny as shit as we'll talk about get you picked on it'll get you picked on and they talk about too he doesn't uh not a lot of he's not really uh i don't think medically cared for very well as a child as we'll talk about too he doesn't uh not a lot of he's not really uh i don't think medically cared for very well as a child as we'll talk about like his nutrition isn't great and uh as we'll

talk about his dental uh hygiene and things like of that nature are not wonderful as a child i can relate hurts him yeah well not man not to this we'll talk about it no no no this is of another level really uh yeah yeah uh he gets beat up a lot in the neighborhood and shit like that um you know he and there it was like you know who do you he doesn't have any older brothers he doesn't have anybody you can stick up for him so it's just oh they could beat that kid up all the time so that's kind of how it was he described his neighborhood here this is from uh there's a book called heaven is a playground they made a movie out of it that kind of fictionalized the book uh but it's about the playgrounds of the time and all the guys on the playgrounds of the early 70s and late 60s. And this is how the world got introduced to Fly was through this book.

People read about him. And he's one of the characters that stands out the most in the book. Because out of everybody, the picture of him in the book that you see is this young kid he's got these weird shorts on he's got this like tank top with a with a like a big mouth on it with a tongue sticking out giant afro with a pic stuck in it big smile on his face like like a rolling stone shirt it almost looks like a rolling stones tongue but it's not the rolling stones oh is it a knockoff rolling stones i don't even know because it's it's 1970 yeah so i mean it could be a canal street it could have been anything yeah it could have been something who the fuck knows i don't know where the hell he got it from uh but he's a total character anyway uh he

in this thing let's let's this is only can be done in their own words i feel like so we need to do in their own words and find out let's So we need to do in their own words and find out about his neighborhood and how he grew up here. In their own words, quote, they seriously insane in my neighborhood. I mean, if you don't have a gun, maybe five or six guns, you in real trouble.

The other night, this dude standing in a building yelling, shoot me, shoot me. And this other dude was holding the gun in his mouth the whole time, and he shot him. The shot dude comes staggering out on the sidewalk and lays there and people man the people on the sidewalk they just stood around and laughed what so that's that's that's his description of like this happened the other day in my neighborhood so not a good place this is a dangerous fucking place to be very very dangerous they just laugh like yeah fuck that guy that guy's bleeding hilarious yeah look at him my word he gave a

fuck there's uh yeah a certain certain uh callousness going on when you're dealing with uh what have you seen that's what i mean scare you brownsville brownsville in the 70s that's what you've seen i mean this is shit was bad man this is this is not good at all this is really bad neighborhood i've seen guns go off i don't i can't recall seeing anybody really get hit that's just but to laugh just be like that's not the reaction i would do not even like i guess i'll call 9-1-1 they're just like fuck him anyway so i was got the story the other day like will you shut the fuck up and quit gargling? Stop gargling.

Stop it. I'm telling the story about how James walks away from greasy shit. Jesus Christ. I'm trying to complain about elevated parts, motherfucker. Shut up. Yeah, truffle oil. I need it, too. Fucking lay there. Yeah, that's not good.

So on the playground and in high school, he's really good. He tries other sports. He's tried football for a minute and pretty much got to his second practice to where he got hit good for the first time. And he was like, I don't want to do that anymore. He's not a thick guy for football. When he grows up, he's 6'5", and at max, he's listed at 200 pounds, and that's pushing it. That's not good at all. No, that's pushing it.

He's not even 200 pounds. He's nowhere near. They're stretching him. He's not 200 pounds and that's oh that's that's pushing it that's not good at all no that's pushing it yeah that's he's not even 200 pounds no he's nowhere stretching him he's not 200 pounds i'm trying to make him sound sturdier than he is he's probably 170 when you can when you look at him like the footage of him you're like that man is not doing he looks like manute bull in a smaller version yeah he's a real he's he's sinewy yeah he's a real sinewy yeah you know wiry kind of he's fast yeah athletically explosive i mean he can he can fly man i mean he's got ups and uh yeah he's in uh he also tries uh baseball when he's a kid but as he starts to get taller and taller back then they used to tell you if you're if you're getting too tall they tell you you're not going to be good at baseball now because you're too tall right which now is unless you're six eight yeah you can be six six and be a good baseball player no problem

i suppose that makes sense he was they were telling him he was too tall and he should you know he should probably concentrate on basketball so he concentrated on basketball pitcher or any sort of hitter being that big would be intimidating as fuck a little bit randy johnson yeah is sick you know what i mean you could be a pitcher you can be anything if you're a pitcher and it doesn't matter you could be tiny you can be you could be pedro martine? You could be a pitcher. You can be anything if you're a pitcher. It doesn't matter. You could be tiny. You could be Pedro Martinez. You could be Randy Johnson.

It doesn't matter. But being that big and being in the outfield. Oh, it's intimidating. It doesn't matter. Robbing home runs at the same time. If you can stay healthy and everything. The only thing is at the plate, your strike zone's fucked. That's why it's kind of nice if you're a pitcher because you don't have to.

Your hitting isn't as important. See like a Richie Sexton. When he started to slip a little bit it fell right apart because he just fucking strike zones enormous yeah it's not helping whereas chuck knob block could hang on an extra year or two with walks right because he was a miniature so uh he goes to james madison high school in brooklyn where he's a kind of a star basketball player there but that doesn't he doesn't care about that as much as the fact that he's a star on the playground yeah i don't know if anybody if you're younger or i mean this is well before our

time but i mean but we heard when we were like in the 90s there was a lot of information coming out about the old playground shit remember the earl the goat movie came out and shit like that in the 90s like it was a big i remember in 96 i was on the subway uh doing something going to or from the yankee parade and the yankees won the world series i remember the poster for the or all the goat movie being on the wall over there on the subway for that but like there was a it was a big deal then so we've kind of heard about it but nowadays i don't know if the kids know about it as much this is basically like where the and one videos came from this shit was going on back long before the 50s from the 50s and 60s new york city playground basketball was fucking crazy we're talking these games if you

watch them there's footage of these games it they look like nba games guys are soaring fucking dunking from the foul line guys are doing alley-oops they're banging fucking long range shots all within the confines of the rules of the game too which is shocking that's the thing right and talking mad shit at the same time that's it didn't matter if you hit a three and then walked away there's no style in that you had to be a great player and then some to be a playground star to be a you know respected playground guy i mean if you were if you were dropping you know points on them like crazy i'm sure that didn't matter if you were dropping points on them like crazy, I'm sure that it didn't matter if you were boring. Sure, they'll accept you.

They'd eventually call you like fucking wallpaper or vanilla man or some shit. Like, you'd be boring, but you'd be accepted. Whereas the style, though, was the main thing. It mattered. You wanted to have a reputation for your style and your play. It mattered. There's something cool about that O

that everybody around the court chants as there's a giant dunk no other sport has nothing no other sport has that no it's not it's so specific to the two guys that guy dribbling guy with the guy they're not the only two guys on the court other people can help is it doesn't matter but if you get at that point of dunk right that's where i'm moving a dunk or a three or some sort of jump shot and you would think like a pitcher throwing a hundred mile an hour ball by someone as they swing and miss that's an oh you don't hear that oh god damn it some people run out of their seats and come back you know you know you don't see now it doesn't fucking happen no matter who's watching it too it's like it could be happening in a in a playground setting it still it wouldn't happen people

be like yeah good pitch whereas something about basketball there's an energy to it there's even in football you could just blow somebody up and for the most part they cheer not they don't go right how did they bleach this shit out of the NBA? Because it used to be in that. And it's fucking shocking that they did it because they're like, how do we sell this? Okay. What a season tickets cost. Right. Okay. We need to sell the old white people.

Right. Okay. How can we? How do we get white people to get their kids involved? They're afraid of 23 year old black. We're going to fix this. How can we fix this? Michael Jordan never say a word about

anything other than shoes and gatorade exactly beautiful done done and it works and then everybody that talks shit they'll eventually bleed out and then we'll have a league of steph curry's that's it and you have a league of steph curry's and then you have you know there's no more charles barkley nobody no more nobody i mean there's guys that have these personalities they're just they're just suspended for doing it and the nba is still you're allowed to express yourself way more than any other god that's the other thing too but they've they've definitely made it to where marketing purpose wise they want these guys to be as vanilla as possible but the street basketball association ranks fly as the number two playground player of all time.

Behind who? Earl the Goat, of course. They said Earl the Goat, by the way, had a 60-inch vertical leap. James, that's five feet. That's insane. Jordan's was in the mid-40s. And, you know, that's what we're... You could be five feet tall and still dunk.

Absolutely. That's crazy. That's like Spud Webb level vertical leap. The man could touch the top of the backboard. Oh, yeah, absolutely. They used to do tricks with that kind of shit. Wow. five feet tall and still dunk absolutely that's crazy like spud web level vertical leap the man could touch the top of the back oh yeah absolutely they used to do tricks with that kind of shit wow shit on the top of the backboard and the guys used to jump up grab shit like they put a coin on top of the backboard they jump up grab the coin and dunk on the way down unreal that's what they do or dunk on the way up grab the coin and fucking pop off or however they wanted to do it

so that's sick yeah they would say like earl the goat said he was so he was selling drugs at the time and he got offered a pro contract in 69 and it was like a hundred thousand dollars or something and he said i already had i was already sitting on 200 000 cash for my drugs so it was kind of like why the fuck i'll just play basketball on the street and have fun and i'm doing that shit yeah that's what it was back then though you could do better selling drugs and you could do playing basketball why the fuck not so yeah uh now fly says and this is uh we'll get to this in a second he says quote i was flamboyant it was the style clyde frazier or clyde walt frazier had clyde and i was fly because Walt Frazier called himself Clyde and I was fly I was fly before Curtis Mayfield was super fly now

Curtis Mayfield please god damn it people I know half of you are going to go who's that please look up Curtis Mayfield because motherfuckers his shit good pusher man look up pusher man watch him sing pusher man at one of those like early 70s like

TV appearances with people dancing and shit it's fucking awesome yeah pusher man or superfly or there's a fucking ton of shit but pusher man's like the pusher man's like the the prototype for rap music you know what i'm saying you know pusher man of course yeah and if you if you don't when you listen to rap or any sort of hip-hop, if they reference any other singer, fucking Google them. Do the work. Do the homework.

It's worth it. And you'll be better tomorrow. I promise. Super fucking pusher man starts out. And this is in like 1971, which I'm your mama. I'm your daddy. I'm your pusher man. I'm that N-word in the alley.

That's true. I'm your doctor. When you need, want some coke, here's some weed. That's the opening. Songs in 1971 didn't really say shit like that, you know, from the movie Superfly. So they try a lot of... Why does that word in a rap song make me just smile? It makes me so happy when they say shit like that.

Because it's hysterical. It's so comical well it sounds smooth out of curtis mayfield's mouth so good if you said it it wouldn't sound as nice sounds horrible jesus that's terrible calm down mister good god man i don't want to talk to you curtis mayfield you're like yeah yeah that's right it's sudden yeah tell him about it tell him about it curtis hell yeah so uh but he's they a lot if you read read about Fly Williams, a lot of people say, oh, he's named Fly like Superfly, like Curtis Mayfield. But he got that name before Superfly was a thing. He was just Fly. Three different ways of how you could accomplish that name. And they're all different legends.

But basically, one of them is that he got it by accident. He was in a high school playoff game in Brooklyn, and he took an off-balance crazy shot, and it went in. And his sister says, quote, it was a funny shot. Right after the game, we started calling him fly. You know, like he lets it fly with the ball. Got it. So either let's fly or they call him fly they could say because he fucking his he could jump out of the building so i mean fly like that right and then he'll also say because he was fly

yeah so he either addresses fly yeah he either yeah he's cool as shit exactly he either uh uh did he either let fly right fucking uh flies either let, can fly or was fly. Either one. But that's how it works here. And if he qualifies for all three, we may as well just call him that fly. Yeah. And he qualifies for all three. He qualifies. He qualifies.

Now, boom. Now, there's a guy named Rodney Parker. Now, this guy, these are complicated characters, these Rodney Parker characters. He is a professional ticket scalper. That's kind of how he makes his money. He also is kind of what is called in several different publications, a father figure and self-styled coach slash talent scout who's always searching for, quote, city ballplayers that he could get to colleges.

Now, these guys are hustlers. And there's a lot of these guys. They still exist, but not so much. Because back then you could do it under the radar and it was just cash money. Basically, he would find these guys who were good players who colleges didn't know anything about because they either had spotty high school attendance, playground guys, guys like that. He would get them colleges to be interested in them that way he would

get him into a prep school for a year high school and then colleges would if they would end up going to college now the colleges would then pay

these guys course under the table a few grand for fucking hooking them up with the kid and that's how it would work he would steer the kids

towards that's cheaper than scouting exactly he would steer the kids toward the colleges that and there's a every city has. Exactly. He would steer the kids toward the colleges. And every city has 10 of these guys. Of course. All over the fucking place.

And this was one of the guys. Now, he did good for these kids at the point. There's a lot of these kids who weren't going to go to college. And he directed them toward college. So, for his own personal gain, he did help a lot of people. So, I mean, that's, I guess, called business, I i suppose it's sleazy if everybody doesn't know what's happening so you can call these guys scumbag advantage of a system he's taking advantage of children he's doing a lot of gross fucking things he could just be a good samaritan coach guy on the street who helps

these kids and alerts them to colleges and then doesn't take any money under the table but it would be nice it's not gonna but then he's also a goddamn ticket scalper and those guys very few of them have any sort of morals that's the thing they're being dicks for being the sake of their their own wallet and he talked about like the kids that he knew from around would would come and they would ask him for tickets like and he you know he was selling them this was when the knicks were good in the early 70s and so he's selling them for a high price and he wouldn't give them tickets and shit. And he's like, if I give him the one, I got to give him everybody. And then he'd have like kind of a star guys.

He'd help out and give tickets to and show that they could see people. So he he's really good at James Madison. High fly is here. He's an all city player there. And then he's an all American. So he's a bad motherfucker. He's he's six foot five in his senior year he averages 28.2 points and 21 rebounds a game nasty that's unbelievable just absolutely

nasty he was six foot five yeah that's what i mean what a great that life must be for if you can jump through the ceiling and have a points a game. God damn it. One of the coaches at one of the other schools said, quote, he had as much talent as anybody I've seen on the high school level. Here was a guy who was 6'5 and handled the ball like a guard. He had three-point range and then some, and he could jump out of the building. So, yeah. They said another, he was a recruiting analyst, Tom Kachalski.

He evaluated players from New York for 40 years. He says, quote, Fly was an extraordinary talent, capable of getting the ball in the basket from almost anywhere on the court, inside, outside, you name it. The problem with Fly is in school, he doesn't give a shit about academics at all. So he's having a problem there. All he wants to do is play basketball. They say, like, if it snows, Fly's out there shovel snow shovel in the court off he should do that too but he was

playing yeah if it's in the rain it could be 10 degrees everybody else is like jesus christ he'll like out there shooting baskets by himself if he has to but he's playing basketball so that's all he cared about which i totally understand uh he ends you know if you're a kid and you're good at it it's all you want to do yeah and uh that's where he's getting all of his positive reinforcement yeah and everybody's telling him this is your ticket out of here yeah that's the other thing yeah and when he's doing that everybody says how great he is so why the fuck would he you know in math they say he sucks at it or whatever whatever class he's not doing well in or doesn't care about and here it's great uh so he ended up being enrolled at a prep school here in glenn uh glenn watkins glenn springs

academy here uh it's in upstate new york and that that's where they sent him for that's the prep school that's to show that he could do college and to get his basically they send him there he plays basketball and uh his and i'm making quote marks his test scores get better sure that you know what i'm saying yeah Yeah. That's how that works. Those girls that sit next to him are doing very well. You know how that works. So he averages 33.9 points a game that year. Good Lord. Which is obscene.

That's stupid. It's obscene. And his team goes 33-2. Yeah. So they're happy to have him. They're scoring 65 a game. He's got half of it. Yes, absolutely.

have them they're scoring 65 a game he's got half of it yes absolutely now the uh the our ticket scalping friend here rodney parker this is kind of where he's involved and he's trying to explain kind of how it was hard to uh there's going to be some quotes here that are from like 1970 that sound very harsh because they're from 1970 just keep in mind they're from 1970 they were allowed to talk like that and uh this is while rodney parker i mean he's he's fucking he's a ghetto dude he can say what he wants about ghetto whatever the fuck i guess but this is his quote quote ghetto kids can't handle authority and you know why because 90 of them never had fathers i know because i never had one the only men they see are the guys on the corner being cool they can't take being yelled at or embarrassed even for their own good because it's all part of this manhood thing what they think

a man is never uh never being told what to do so he's trying to explain that it was hard hard to corral some of these guys and he had to kind of he could relate to them because he came up the same way so that was the only way and that's why in certain aspects he really helps a lot of these kids because he can he puts them on a right path i mean you'd rather be going to college on a scholarship to play basketball than not i would assume than doing nothing yeah so you know it's got to be better he uh he also fly at some point in his teen years get shot in the leg um don't know the details of it in his teen years in his teen years he gets shot

with like a 22 do they say how that's just you know who knows if he caught a couple of strays or robbery attempt or brownsville just general how did that happen you know brownsville walking around entry exit i'm good you pick up a couple of gunshot wounds walking around back then. It's a strike. That's the way it was. He was a different kind of kid, though. When he was up at the prep school, at one point, he dribbled off the court to get a drink of water once, just in the middle of the game. He's like, hold on, and went over and grabbed some water while he was dribbling to drink it, but didn't do it to make a spectacle. He was just thirsty. Just thirsty.

He didn't think, I don't have that at home. I shouldn't stop to do this now because I'm in the middle of something. One of the guys, the headmaster of the school, said, quote, Fly was not a normal ghetto product.

Even the Brooklyn kids were scared of him. So that's what we're talking about. He was elevated, Jack. He's an elevated ghetto product. See, he's a ghetto burger with truffle oil. And we smeared some shit on the outside, and now he's elevated. The other burgers are scared of him. He's extra.

He's extra ghetto. I like that. Oh, shit. So Fly isn't all American that year. And Glen Springs is the number one prep school in the state or whatever here. And he said the fly was so good. The Rodney Parker guy kept saying he was so good. But for some reason, he wasn't inundated with college offers, which is strange, actually, because he's so good.

You would imagine everybody on the All-American team is probably going to be. Talent gets signed. Yeah, the first 10 guys are going to get offers from everybody, you would think. But then, not really, though. He told people he did, too. In the Heaven is a Playground book, they're talking about how he would tell the press that he had hundreds of letters from colleges, and he was sifting through them, and he didn't know what he wanted to do yet.

But really, there was like two or three schools that gave a shit. That's all. And different ones. It's funny, too. Marquette is where he was looking for one. That's cool. Also UCLA. That's good, too.

Which UCLA at the time was the preeminent. That's, you know, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar just came out of there. Maybe nobody wanted to send him anything because they found out UCLA was scouting him. If John Wooden wants you back then, they won the national championship every year. Why would Ball State even waste the time sending a letter? So Marquette, UCLA, and Austin Peay. Okay, Austin Peay can just go fuck themselves. Do you know what Austin Peay?

I have no idea. It doesn't matter. Oh, I have heard of that. Yeah, Austin Peay. They're in the tournament once every 10 years. Who's gone through that? Nobody. No? Nobody good has gone there no austin p uh there so he uh i thought it was like austin p period no no austin p-a-y they might have they might have uh but the uh

rodney parker here is pushing fly toward austin p what are you doing here oh be a star somewhere where nobody's at well he says and this makes sense too i mean ucla is a lot of pressure yeah automatic national spotlight everything you do is under the microscope you're super ghetto yeah that's the thing and marquette is also i mean there's a little more that'd be cool too though that's not bad but he also says rodney rodney says that that the coach there seemed best prepared for trouble and that sort of thing. And also because he was allowed to send three other guys with Fly. So this Rodney Parker got four guys on the Austin Peay team. Got it.

Danny Odoms and two other guys came as part of the package. But UCLA is only getting one on the team. You come here, you can have all your friends with you. He's got 80% of the starting lineup sent there. It's going to get him a good chunk. That's the thing here. He said, this is funny, Fly said, quote, excitement? Oh, yeah.

We go downtown on Saturday nights and watch the grocery trucks unload. That's what he said. There's nothing to do there. Nothing. That's what he said. In Austin? Where do you think Austin Peay is is that austin texas it is not no no it is absolutely not is in clarksville tennessee oh worse funny thing is funny you should make that mistake jimmy funny because we're going to talk about in a second someone else made that mistake as well the guy going there uh yeah now you think you'd say austin p whatever and then after you know a

couple times talking about it you'd go so yeah i don't know about texas and they go it's not in texas never got to that point in the conversation matter of fact that is incredible uh he gets to the point we'll we'll get to it one sec because i got a couple things before that here but uh one way bus ticket to this is only going to kentucky is that where it is tennessee tennessee doesn't matter yeah in middle of the country we still got a ways to go you guys so But one way bus tickets. This is only going to Kentucky. Is that where it is? Tennessee. Tennessee. Tennessee. Doesn't matter. Yeah.

Like in middle of the country. We still got a ways to go. Yeah. So no, you're saying no, no, no. No. When he gets down there, too, he has a ball down in Tennessee because he likes to tell he'll tell like the press. He'll just tell him every Brooklyn horror story that he knows.

Yeah. Because they're like, what's it like being from Brooklyn? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They call him Flatbush Fly. Shit like that. They're they're like what's it like being from brooklyn yeah you know you're they call them flatbush fly shit like that they're just like what's it like up there and he's like you know dude came up shot him in the mouth everybody laughed and they're like oh my god now we we do that with animals and you know do that with an elk if we if we

miss them i mean if we don't hit him with the lung shot we gotta put it in his face i don't know i imagine there's deer. There's buck. There's no elk out there. They're shooting fucking. It's like a mountain fish. It's the same thing. Who knows? I don't know.

It's the same animal. Just bigger. There's a boar over there somewhere. Yeah, there's probably wild pigs. There's all sorts. Oh, no, there's pigs. Silly. Yeah.

So he picks P instead of Marquette. Also, there's a quote here that I have. UCLA's way too far, isn't it? Yeah, that's the other thing here. It's far and uh i think that uh for him he wanted to be in a smaller pond yeah now the coach of marquette is by the way that year quoted as saying this yeah which might be a reason if i was him it would make me not want to go there but i don't know this was this was kind of actually considered a liberal thing to say back then in a weird way. There's some.

Yeah. Back then it was like it was a weird thing. Like if we we need to treat the black people like children that we're, you know, it was a weird it was a weird sort of there was a weird sort of urban way of saying boy. It was a strange racism in trying not to be racist back then at certain times and it came out in quotes like this of al mcguire of marquette he says quote the only thing in this country that blacks really dominate except poverty is basketball oh what now oh gee what's his name al mcguire kept his job no that was considered very progressive that was considered a progress because he was saying that shouldn't be like that was his way of saying it but that was his

that was his premise that he laid out first which is god yeah you're you're going jimmy the greek you're going home after you say that now so oh just shit in a box yeah uh now austin p get your shit in the box what was it uh uh old bill burge out from 20 disassemble your cubicle that's what it was with your awards disassemble your cubicle that was a great you're going home you're going up so uh yeah this award sticking out the top of the box sticking out of that got you got your pulitzer sticking out of the top of the box uh so he says that he went to austin p because he said quote i wanted to get out of brooklyn and I didn't want to go any place too big. That's what he was thinking.

Small, big fish. Is Marquette in Illinois? Yeah, Marquette is, or no, Marquette is Milwaukee. You're right. I drove right past it. Absolutely in Milwaukee. It is. I drove right past that whole campus.

And I just now thought it was somewhere else. I wanted to go someplace that wasn't Brooklyn and that wasn't too big and that isn't milwaukee right because you know because you know it's milwaukee also uh he fits the build of a man who's about to be eating people that looks like him around that time domer was in milwaukee and he's he's perfect for him yeah he's a little old a little tall he's a little old yeah and a little older right fly to fuck duff for jeffrey domer up to be like what what you said you'd have fucking popped him right in the mouth i will fuck you up let me tell you what happened last night in brownsville domer'd be like oh god that's horrible even i'm horrified even me you understand how could they be so goddamn frugal?

Jesus Christ. Wow. Now, did anyone, did they just leave him there? Did anyone eat him? Did they pickle him? Did they at least, did they waste him or what? What happened? Put the dick in the fridge?

So now, here's a quote from Bob Costas. This is from the Loose Balls book. I love Bob. Loose Balls, by the way, not the Jason Williams Loose Balls. Oh. There's two different books called Loose Balls. One is Jason Williams

and one a guy we didn't. We have to do a redo on his episode, too. We didn't spend enough time on it. There's plenty there. But he wrote a book called Loose Balls. But the book before that,

it's an excellent book that I've read a couple of times called Loose Balls. Without the misspellings. Without the misspellings, grammatical errors, and lying about murder. Would be this Loose Balls about the American Basketball Association, which it's really fucking funny. It's one of these books that's told through quotes. This quote, this guy said that, boom, boom, boom, boom.

It's a great book. Goes quick. And here's Bob Costas from this book. boom boom boom it's a great book goes quick and here's bob costas from this book he says quote fly was a legend long before he got to st louis because he ended up in st louis for the spirits remember where marvin barnes played costas that was his first job really was their play-by-play announcer in the aba yeah so he says the story went around with fly and i always thought it to be a prockerful but it still makes the point that was when Fly was recruited by Austin Peay, and this is a lot of people have said this, this story. He got on a plane in New York and flew to Austin, Texas.

That was where he figured Austin Peay had to be. When he got off the plane, he said to the first guy he saw, hey, where's the Peay, man? Heaven only knows what that man thought Fly was asking. Anyway, Fly then called his coach and said he was in Austin, Texas, and said, there's no P here, man. The coach was telling him that Austin P was in Clarksville, Tennessee, and then started routing him from Austin to Clarksville. Fly became confused and said, nah, man, I'm going home.

Then he flew to New York and called the coach from LaGuardia, and from there he flew to Clarksville. He didn't want to go from Texas. I'll go home and then I'll come down from there. I know how to get there from there. We'll just chalk this up to a wasted trip, coach. Yeah, that's the type of thing we're talking about. Whoops the daisy.

You know what I mean? You know what? He's got his own style. It's hilarious. I'm more comfortable going from over there. No grease on my bun, please. I'm more comfortable going from over there no grease on my bun please i'm gonna go from new york you've seen the size of these burgers it's all over the place as it is i need a handle i'm going home that's amazing that's fucking awesome apparently costas

also says that fly loved don rickles he was his favorite oh we would have hung out because new york ball breaking thing don rickles that's he thing. Don Rickles, he's a tiny ball Jewish playground basketball star. Don Rickles. If he had a jump shot, he'd have been one of the biggest stars on the playground because no one talks shit like him. How did he never get stabbed? Oh, God. Jesus.

So you would imagine somebody would. The most vicious, angry, said the worst things to people. Oh, yeah. And somehow walked through life without a without a scar because he was that good at it yeah he said fly would watch him if rickles was on television and the next morning on the bus he'd do rickles entire routine he'd go up to gus gerard and said hey you hockey puck he'd do these lame rickles and imitations then throw his head back and said and say man that dude is hot. Just loves Don Rickles,

which just fucking cracks me up. It's hilarious. Yeah. Here's another guy from the book named Steve Jones, and he's a player on the team. He says, in our first game, Fly had a wide open layup. He was going 100 miles per hour on a breakaway.

All he had to do was just lay the ball over the rim or dunk it. Instead, he went for a 360-degree layup. He turned himself completely around and nearly spun himself into the floor and threw the ball right over the rim and backboard. It was a total nightmare, but it was also an example of what the team was about, the total free spirit, no discipline, talent, but the talent was completely out of control. So, yeah, that's hysterical.

That's fucking amazing. Wide open, showing showing off and just throwing the ball three three rows deep oh yeah just gone uh another time he jesus he this he could have been a wrestler this guy if you heard a story of him jumping off a second story thing through a window with a with a fire with a fire extinguisher as a propellant and i told you he did it you go yeah that makes sense right he could have hung out with jim the anvil neidhardt this guy if you put this story the story of going to austin p like a show there yeah some wrestling show in in buck zoom off the background yeah of course he landed in austin yeah absolutely he did you know he did obviously chris adams did that and

then he super kicked one of the flight attendants and ended up in federal prison or some crazy shit. In college, he did things like he gets fouled one time, what he thinks is a foul, and no foul is called. So rather than go along with the game or even argue a little bit, he just lays down on the floor with the ball. What? Just lays on the floor on his stomach. There's a picture of him holding the ball, just laying down with the ball holding him and just not moving we aren't playing again until that whistle that's what he was doing and uh there's a scout for the buffalo team at the time because they had an aba team and he said quote i told the people i was sitting with i don't know

who will draft but it won't be that guy that's what we're talking about with him it's not the guy laying on the ball not the guy who's completely disrupting the game. But he's nasty, man. Four Austin Peay in 72-73. He's a goddamn beast. He averages 29.4 points a game as a freshman. He's second in the nation in scoring as a freshman. Wow.

Just comes in and lights it on fire. Second in the nation. He's nasty, man. I mean, that's just only two in the nation. He's nasty, man. I mean, that's just only two assists a game. He's not passing much, but you don't want him to because he's scoring like crazy. 7.6 rebounds a game, too, which is 29.4 and 7.6 for a guy at 6'5".

I'll take that shit. So, yeah, Lake Kelly is the coach there for Austin Peay, and they had not gone to the tournament since 1963 64 so it's this is 1972 so there it's been a while they've not been good lately and uh this year though they go to the tournament they win in the first round here against jacksonville 77 75 and they end up winning they end up losing to kentucky 10100, who is a major national powerhouse. Nice name. Yeah, so, I mean, not too shabby.

It's pretty goddamn good. And he fills up the arenas. I mean, the games go from decent attendance or whatever to sold out immediately when he got sent. Yeah, we got to see that guy. Absolutely. When he goes on the road, they bring giant fly swatters and shit. Oh, brilliant.

Because of fly. Yeah, that's the type of... That's that's awesome yeah he's really doing well while he's playing at one point it's because it's austin p they have a chant there oh no i'm gonna give you a chance i feel like we've heard this i'm gonna give you a chance to to what's the most immature chant that could happen with the words fly and pee mixed into this I could not I'm not that immature I'm pretty fucking immature these are people going to college presumably

oh god Jesus the fly is open let's go pee okay so at least it's oh it's so clever it's... Oh, it's so clever. It's so good. Why do I love it? There's basketball references. It's great. It's so good.

You had to watch Jimmy. This is why I got gotta come to live shows watching him process that he hears it he's like well that's not oh that's great it took him about a second and three quarters and then it hit him and his eyes lit up like a kid that opened a christmas present he's like my red rider bb gun finally i felt i felt the emotion sitting in the stands going what are they saying what are they saying oh my god it's so good that's clever i'm staying with it let's go that's open let's go i love it so much oh my god jesus christ so fly would apparently throw himself all over the place

he's always all banged up he's got got apparently had like terrible calluses on his feet that he was going through. And they said that one of the athletic director here at Austin Peay said, quote, It takes a drugstore full of tape and three doctors to get Fly ready for a game. But he's a great player. Once he gets out there, he's doing great. Oh, that's scary, though. He's so young. Well, he's just falling all over the place.

And then he says, keep in mind, this is in 1972. This is some, you heard this line in rap songs 20 years later. So this is how, like, cool this motherfucker was. He says, quote, when game time rolls around, I forget about all the injuries. I can live with them. My heart doesn't pump Kool-Aid. Oh. That's some,'s like that's way

more of a modern cold-hearted shit that's a modern turn you know a thing to say it's pretty funny to say in 1972 uh he in one game he was 24 of 46 from the floor and he uh had three of only three of seven field goals he had 12 rebounds and he said that he was off uh he was off after the game because he didn't like it he said i'll be out on the court first thing in the morning that's the type of guy he is that's an off night for him and as coach says that's why that's kind of dedication that's why one of these days he's going to hit 40 of 46 so uh we'll see now rodney says uh the you know his benefactor yeah he says quote most of most of my kids only get one chance in school, but fly, he could burn the whole damn place down and they'd still let him back.

That's another reason why he went down to a place like this, because he knows if you score 30 a game down there, you can fuck up all you want. Do anything wrong. You're the king of the small town. If you fuck up in UCLA, you fuck up one little thing. John Wooden just goes, hey, you're off the team. I'll take the next best player

in the country. Don't care. I can get anyone I want. So that's how it worked. Yeah, it's a different deal. So yeah, he would, but Fly would do like, he would do different,

like they tried to get his image good. Like he would do camps with kids, you know, shit like that. He would talk to all the writers that he, you know, he could. And, you know, shit like that. He would talk to all the writers that he could. And, you know, he tried to make sort of a, you know, just a, they tried to make it seem like, oh, he's just a character, but he,

because he was. The thing about Fly is he's not a malicious guy. Everybody that says he's got a huge heart, sweet guy, nice guy, little oblivious, but he's not, it never hurts, it never tries to hurt anybody or not no shit like there's not a bad person he's just kind of uh kind of a flake that's all he's a little elevated i mean other than that i don't understand so uh one of his uh

a coach says quote we were playing a game at baller uh baller mean and to protest a foul he laid on the floor that was that one during there was a game in louisville he did that again here uh another time he there was a game against marquette and he and the coach got into an argument or him and a player got into an argument in the locker room so the coach uh benched both players for the second half and they uh they were uh they ended up sitting and watching and the coach says he didn't even play in the second half, and he was still the leading scorer in the game. Wow. He got kicked out. His coach also says he has a big heart.

I'll never forget we were going to play a benefit basketball game in Shelbyville for a boy who had lost both of his legs in a farm accident. Jesus Christ. What the fuck kind of farm accident? Wow. That's a bad one. That's a bad farm accident right there. What would do that? A thresher?

A fucking... Get thrown into a fucking... Like a cotton gin? Yeah. I just see him sticking out the top with his... Oh! Get the legs out. Thrown through the milking machine?

What would do that? If you're doing work where it can take both your legs, quit. Get the fuck out of there. That's tough. Especially for a child. Yeah. A child's it can take both your legs, quit. Get the fuck out of there. That's tough. Especially for a child. Yeah. A child's job can take both your legs. It was a boy.

He said a couple weeks before, Fly had sprained his ankle and couldn't play. When the game started, Fly, imagine being, you have no legs and being like, sorry, I can't play, little buddy. My ankle's a little sore. Next to a kid with no legs. I'd love to have that problem, sir. Oh, a little sore. Mine too.

That's tough life. Yeah, I can see. You know what? No, you sit. You sit. I can still feel mine wherever the fuck they are. Wow, yeah. They're back in the field over there.

I get ghost pain. They're decent mulch. I know that much. That's what my dad said. Well, there's a positive here. Decent mulch for the wheat. The oak tree has never grown bigger. Oh, it's just glorious.

The acorns coming like nobody's business now. So he said, when the game started, Fly got this little boy, got him down on the bench, and let him sit in his lap the entire game. He carried him to the eating place and helped feed him. And he got a basketball and autographed it for him. Helped feed him? He's missing his legs, not his hands, you fucking jerk. Hey, my hands are banana.

Here you go, stuffing food to his mouth. No, I got this, motherfucker. Maybe he just held him up. Chill out, you ungrateful fucker. It'd be hard to sit up with no legs. Maybe he just held him up. Maybe so, yeah. Maybe he just propped him against the table at the back.

No, I'm helping feed him. He's just like got his forearms on his knees. Yeah. He's still got his knees, right? Is it above the knee? I think they're'm helping feeding him he's just like got his forearms on his knee yeah he's still got his okay yeah no i think i think they're they took him above the knee i think lays his forearms on his thighs i think he's gone full lieutenant dan it's a problem so 1973 74 january of 74 here uh he's he ends up being suspended for he has a dispute with his coach and ends up getting suspended for a couple games and all this type of shit this is when he's the number two scorer in the country he ends up being the number five scorer in the country his sophomore year uh apparently there was it was a game against western kentucky he got in a coat lake kelly and

fly got in a argument at halftime. Apparently, Fly only had one point in the first half, which is pretty poor. Yeah, it's time to have a chat. So Kelly questioned him, and Fly just got dressed in his street clothes and left. At halftime, he left. Just put his shit on.

You're right, coach. I'm gone. I guess you don't need me then. And so, yeah, he ended up getting suspended for a couple games. But it doesn't matter, man. He plays in 25 games. He scores 27.5 points a game. 10.9 rebounds. My God.

27.5 and 10.9. That means he scored like 54 one game to make that one point game not matter. It doesn't matter at all. Yeah, he has two different 51 point games. Wow. So this year. So that's something he's a real he's really gaining notice but he acts so the antics the nba does not look upon

that shit with any sort of uh they don't want no the nba back then we're still like well we want a nice solid bounce pass you know they were still like i don't know pistol pete let's not go behind the back too much it was a little you know i'm serious though that's how it was i mean we like those free throws you're doing there yeah good job good job pal great form yeah nice good for fundamentals it's different i mean the nba was changing but they were still you know not a lot of teams that were thinking outside the box in terms of talent i don't think and you get you got that so many guys in the aba were there strictly because the nba was afraid of them and afraid of personality and just didn't they just didn't quite quote fit the nba type of thing where talent wise they absolutely fit the nba you know and also some guys had problems in the aba like some guys would have let's say, an eligibility issue in college where that would make them ineligible for the NBA.

Like they'd be suspended like Connie Hawkins. And he ended up having to go play in the ABA for no reason because he took money in college. Who gives a shit? It's ridiculous. It really is. Ruined his life. Oh, absolutely. I just learned that on the road with you because I was like, Connie Hawkins is the greatest dude.

And you're like, oh, he got fucked. And I'm like, did he? He got fucked so bad. Oh, he that poor bastard man yeah he really got the and then he just died recently so he never got his fuck again fucked again fucked by every fucking person in charge of anything and then fucked my life the ncaa by god has just been poor taken down so yeah they made it you made a fucking huge impression on me connie thank you what a great dude so shit uh one of the players on the team later on said quote i've told people in louisville the closest person i've ever seen to michael jordan was fly williams he could handle

the ball in his left hand or right hand shoot with either hand beat you off the dribble or post you up he had all the moves he just had a scoring. He was the best I've ever been on the court with. He was an extraordinary, and as Coach Lake Kelly said, he was an extraordinary talent. He put on some kind of show almost every game, but he was a great player. He was the head of the game in a lot of ways.

You keep saying this coach's name. Did you say Lake? Lake. His first name is Lake. L-A-K-E, yeah. Wow. K-E, yes. Lake.

Good Lord. It's like the first river. Lake. L-A-K-E. Wow. K-E. Yes. Lake. Good Lord. I'm sure it's like the first river. Lake Avillion or some shit. Fucking jerks. His parents are assholes. Yeah. That's the problem. That's always the problem.

It's not his fault. Right down to the basement. He didn't fucking. His parents suck. Assholes. His dad was probably Lake Senior. Right. That's the problem.

Another person said, when things went against him, he reacted, and that's what a lot of people remember most. In 1973, he was taken off from the free throw line and dunking the ball. His game was just ahead of the game. So that's what he was dunking from the foul line before Dr. J was doing it. Before Jordan. You know, before Dr. J made it famous and before Jordan and before, you know, who was the white guy who did it? One of the Barrys? Brent?

Yes, it was. It didn't quite look as cool. No, it looked dumb as shit. He who was the white guy who did it? One of the Barrys? Brent? Yes, it was. It didn't quite look as cool, though. It looked dumb as shit. He just was like, I can get there. Oh, God. It was a long jump, not so much as a high jump, but still amazing. I can't do that.

Good for you, Brent. So 73, 74, Austin Peay. They go to the tournament again. They lose in the first round of Notre Dame that year, but they still go to the tournament. So he averages, geez, he's lose in the first round of Notre Dame that year, but they still go to the tournament. So he averages, geez, he's third place in scoring in the NCAA that year. He also is 73-74 OVC, which is the conference player of the year as well, which isn't bad. And third team All-American.

Oh. So, yeah, he's one of the top 15 players in the country is what they're saying. Yeah. Now, July 74 comes around and he's declared ineligible from college. Now, not his fault. 17 other NCAA athletes as well, including a couple of other people at the Austin Peay College here. other people at the Austin Peay College here. Apparently, the conference used an invalid table to convert SAT scores to ACT scores to determine eligibility.

Apparently, they had a chart. You score this on your SAT, it equals this on your ACT, and you need this to be eligible. And that cheat sheet was wrong. Apparently, it was wrong. So this is after they've been playing for two years. The NCAA notices this and says, oh, no, you guys can't play anymore. What? We notice what happened.

It's him. It's Danny Odoms. It's the guys that Parker brought down there. They were given two options by the NCAA, either sit out a season or transfer to another school. What about retaking the test? Nope. Not a consideration. What?

Fly said, fuck this shit. I'm not doing any of that shit. I'm going to go into the NBA, the ABA hardship draft. Because as we talked about way back in the Tom Payne episode, back then the NBA and the ABA both had hardship drafts where you couldn't come out early from college. But if you could show a financial need, if your family was poor and you were poor and it was difficult. Or if the college system fucked you.

Or if you got fucked over by some silver-haired middle-aged asshole something like that uh yeah so that that was they had that so you could you could apply for that and say look i'm really poor i need to make money for my family me being in college for another year just doesn't you know not helpful to me and you could do that so uh yeah they said about the college thing, quote, the commissioner at the time, Art Guepi, G-U-E-P-E. I don't know. Art Guepi. Art needs to change the last name. Jesus, I can't even.

That doesn't look like a name to me. Is there a fucking legacy with that name? Get rid of that. Yeah. That's awful. Call yourself Al fucking anything else. Nobody else knows the name. Get rid of it.

Whatever it sounds like, spell it like that. Right. Yeah. Unless it's go weepy because then that's fine. Yeah. They said he put on he put the conversion table in the OVC handbook. That's the conference. And all of the first schools had gone by that.

The NCAA questioned it and said that the table was no longer valid. I still remember one day the NCAA called me and told me we were in error. I remember saying in error, how could we be in error? We use the table in no longer valid. I still remember one day the NCAA called me and told me we were in error. I remember saying, in error? How could we be in error? We used the table in the handbook. So, yeah, this is just bullshit here, basically. He said, as far as we know, all of our athletes have passed the ACT test. We're checking to make sure at the request of Gwippy.

So, yeah, they said, that's the way we stand on the matter now. And if we find that we have an ineligible player, we'll be back with you. And we're going to. Yeah. Weepy said he is claiming full responsibility for the misinterpretation of the rule. Now, so he goes for the hardship draft here. He's he's trying to do that. Now, he's trying to he wants to go back to school you if you apply for the hardship draft

you have until one hour before the draft to remove your name from the list and stay in school if you want yeah it's not like now if you declare you're fucked now you know it's different so i guess rodney uh rodney parker he called fly about a week and a week before that and said he couldn't believe fly said he wanted to stay in school for his junior year and he was like what are you talking about and he said oh my education and parker told him quote don't tell me it's for your education fly said quote i like it here people are nice to me i'm the man yeah it's fun for him there everyone's nice to me can do whatever he wants it's great yeah so uh rodney said quote the pros are killing themselves for you denver's talking a million fly a million so he's like what are you talking about?

So he convinced Fly to keep his name in here until they could find out basically what kind of numbers he can get and shit like that here. He said, just don't take your name out yet and all that sort of thing. And so that's how it works. So he sits and he waits to see what the NCAA is going to say and if he's allowed to play or not or if he's going to withdraw or if he's going to play. And finally, he just says, fuck it. I'm going to go into the ABA draft. What else am I going to do? It's such bullshit, honestly.

It's honestly a load of shit. I hate all this eligibility shit. Look up a ton of documentaries about how athletes in the NCAA are being bent over and eligibility is held over their head. There's money involved. That's why. So fucking stupid, man. Fly said, quote, if I had been there for four years, there's no telling how many points I could have scored, which is probably true. I get it. I mean, honestly, it's fucking ridiculous.

This is crazy that they're kicking a kid out of school who this is good for him. It's good for the school. It's good for everybody. He's creating a fucking want for people to see your stupid game. Yeah. At Austin Peay. Right. If you're the NCAA, you should say, wow, Jesus, Austin Peay is good.

This is, you know, that's good for everybody. I mean, they've never had a quote about that. They've never had a chant. And now you thought it was in Texas. Right. So I did, what the fuck do i know i thought it was somewhere i don't know not there not in tennessee i mean the whole thing is crazy but not as crazy as the sales jimmy the sales so if you happen to be in johnson city tennessee where this newspaper came from in may of 1974 oh boy if you're traveling through time and find yourself there, you got to check in at the old radio shack

for a two-for-one sale on blank eight-track tapes. Oh, blank ones. Blank ones for the home and car. Useless ones. Save 50%. It's two-for-one sale, baby. 40-minute playing time, two for $1.99, 80-minute playing time, two for $2.29 minute playing time two for 229 you can make

mixtapes with eight tracks yeah absolutely i didn't know that so yeah if the radio people used to do it all the time that's why i used to hear oh cartridges yeah it's a click in there so 80 minutes so you could it's an extra 30 cents to get double your playing time double the playing time it makes no sense why you wouldn't do that it It's really stupid. Get the 80s. You can do that. Also, a clock radio special going on down here. We have AM FM digital clock radio, $37.95, which seems high for back then. Does it have a backup battery? Space saver, easy to read numerals, lighted dials. It's one of those click ones with the light and then we go like the flappy ones.

Someone from Groundhog Day. Yeah, exactly. Three hour sleep switch and an earphone jack. ones with the light and then we go like the flappy ones someone from groundhog day yeah exactly three hour sleep switch and an earphone jack it's got a three hour sleep that's a quite the snooze there snooze you're gonna be late for work my christ realistic is the brand here am for am radio phono combination plays uh you can play records on it and you'll play am radio not fm oh yeah yeah 20 2488 for that 2488 of useless oh yeah answering machine 1974 this is state-of-the-art at the time tapes automatic telephone answering system answer your phone and takes messages easy to install and operate uh 79.95 for this little that seems high as fuck that's a lot

for an answer there was a brand new this shit's built into your phone today let's say you've built up all your technology you're but you need you know you've got it all you've installed your radio shack things in your house and you've got the clock radio yeah and uh you're you're you know what you set your answering machine up at home so you can go out and you you've got your 8-track that you made a mixtape of. You're all ready to go out, but you need to get all dressed up. You head over to Glenmore Clothes, and they have polyester suits for $49.95 to $74.95 with, Jimmy, free extra pants. You're telling me that a suit with a free extra pair of pants.

Free pair of pants, extra. Cheaper than an answering machine. Cheaper, yeah. $74.95, $79.95. Unreal. Not bad. Or polyester sport coats, $39.95. Wow.

And you get a pair of slacks on top of that for free. That's a deal. What do you got there? So if you happen to be in Johnson City, Tennessee in 1974, you can check that out. Now, the ABA, the American Basketball Association, if you don't know anything about it, we've talked about it briefly here. They have their teams as they stand at this time were the Kentucky Colonels, the New York Nets, New Jersey Nets later. And we talked about this with the Marvin Barnes episode, the Spirits of St. Louis, Memphis Sounds, Virginia Squires, Denver Nuggets, who were the Denver Rockets at this exact time, actually, because the owner owned Rocket Trucking, I want to say.

Really? Yeah. So he just named it after his business. So now the Houston Rockets are the Rockets because some dildo in Denver owned a trucking company. A truck. Not because there's any Rockets there. It's weird, right?

Is your Rockets jersey? It's a little strange. any Rockets there. It's weird, right? Is your Rockets jersey? It's a little strange. The San Antonio Spurs, Indiana Pacers,

Utah Stars, and San Diego Conquistadors. Oh, that's ugly. That's a lot of words and letters. San Diego Conquistadors. My Christ, that's a busy front of the jersey. That's too much, man.

So the ABA draft, number four overall, goes to the Denver Rockets, James Fly Williams. So he's chosen number four overall. That's a big deal, I would assume. By the way, there's a guy named Clarence Foots Walker. Foots. Foots.

Foots. Walker. Walker. From West Georgia College. He's drafted in the second round. Oh, boy. He got the foots. Leonard Truck Robinson. I like that one, too. I guess feet doesn't sound round. Oh, boy. He got the foots. Leonard Truck Robinson. I like that one, too.

I guess feet doesn't sound as good as foots. Yeah, the foot man. And who was the other guy? Leonard Robinson? The truck. Uh-huh. Leonard the Truck Robinson. Jesus.

Not too bad here. I don't know. The third round, Moses Malone. All right. Who was chosen out of high school. Yeah. He was a Hall of Famer. Fucking monster superstar here.

So he ends up going to, by the way, in this draft, Atlanta in the NBA draft. This is pretty fucking funny. In the NBA draft, Atlanta Hawks picked with their 10th round selection, the general manager, Pat Williams,

drafted his newborn son. What? Yeah, he tried to draft his newborn son with the 10th round pick draft his newborn son you're fucking with the 10th round pick but it was disallowed by the league just as we don't want anybody in this pick so we're going to pick my kid as a joke who would who didn't kick him in the dick he should have been kicked right in the dick how dare you this kid be like yeah i've been drafted by the hawks so now he's drafted uh his rights are traded from denver St. Louis, the Spirits of St. Louis.

This is the team Marvin Barnes is on. He is on the same team with Marvin Barnes. Unreal. If you haven't heard the Marvin Barnes episode, listen to that and understand these guys are on the same team. Imagine being that coach. What a trouble. Whoa, this is a lot. Great players, but holy shit.

He says, now, there's negotiations. He's got to have an agent to call and negotiate a contract or he can do it himself at the time or whatever no they said in st louis uh multiple people called to say they were representing fly williams like just random ass people many different people would call and be like yeah i'm representing fly williams they'd be like okay and then another guy called like hey i remember that and fly williams what's he doing i think he's just nice and telling people they can do it so sure man go give me a big contract yeah the guy said sure man go give me a big contract it's all right sure give him a call fuck it i don't know. It can't hurt. Whoever gets the best one, we'll go with it. You want the number for them? This is great.

Harry Weltman here, one of the St. Louis guys here, he said, yeah, they got a call from numerous guys saying they represented Fly Williams from Austin Peay. Notice I said guys. At least three different guys claiming to be his agent, and we sort of guessed which one sounded best, and we dealt with him. So this is Wild West. This isn't like now, where, you know, this is crazy. He also said, Fly Williams was just a gamble and nothing more.

An inexpensive gamble, may I add, because we signed him for only $35,000. He was a colorful player, a playground legend from New York, a gunner who we thought might sell a few tickets and can get us some publicity. More important to us than Fly Williams was signing Gus Gerrard out of the University of Virginia, who was very talented and averaged 16 points versus a rookie. So they say 35 grand, but it comes out publicly that it's 250 grand. Okay, good. Because they were talking about a million, James.

And he's the number four overall pick. So I'm kind of, this sounds like he said that the general manager sounds like he said it after the fact to not look stupid yeah like well i mean i got a pretty good deal he's only 35 grand whereas you didn't pay the number four pick 35 grand no i feel like you paid him 250 grand don't fuck with me yeah you're full of shit there harry there's no way uh now world be free who it is one of the greatest names in the history of the world, another New York playground legend from a couple of years later. He says, quote, fly like the honeys. You know, when we were young, every time I seen him, he'd have a pretty one.

He was cool, calm, collected with a big car. He was the man. He was a bad mama jama. Brother could do it all. That's fucking awesome. You know what? Grace. That's grace. was a bad mama jama brother could do it all that's fucking awesome you know what grace that's grace a dude named world be free just called you a bad mama jama so you can do it all

and it sounded it didn't sound corny right that's what like an old an old white guy he's a bad mama jama that one you're like oh shut up but a black guy in the 70s he's a bad man pajama black guy in the 70s world be free world be free was a cool motherfucker too he was so cool so that's grace don't get confused with meta world peace doing his best to be cool yeah no he's just a douche world be free in the 70s awesome it's the shit yeah so uh 1974 75 spirits of st louis uh this is marvin barnes like i said on that team they had big old bald joe caldwell there no no he wasn't that guy he was a different guy anyway uh maurice lucas so there's some some guys that get around uh later on in the nba but this team is 30 32 and 52 they finished third in the division but they still go to the playoffs

there's not a lot of teams there's 14 this is like 10 teams uh they finish third in the division, but they still go to the playoffs. There's not a lot of teams. There's four teams. They actually win in the semifinals against the Nets. They win 4-1, and that's Dr. J's Nets. So that's a big deal. And then they lose in the Eastern Division Finals

to the Kentucky Colonels, who were a really nasty team. Where did they end up going? Kentucky Colonels? Yeah. Where the fuck was Kentucky? Because St. Louis is the only one that didn't go, really nasty team. Where did they end up going? Kentucky Colonels? Yeah. Where the fuck was Kentucky? They ended up- Because St. Louis is the only one that didn't go, right? St. Louis is the one that didn't go, yeah.

And they got the chunk of the TV deal. Sweetheart deal. Yeah, they got the in perpetuity TV deal. Such a sweet couple of words. I love that they have hats. Say in perpetuity on them. Just get a cut. I want a contract like that.

A cut of every year. Forever. Forever. The greatest deal in the history. They called it contract like that. A cut of every year. Forever. The greatest deal in the history. They called it the greatest deal in the history of business. Business. And I think it is. Any business. I really think it is.

Doesn't matter. Those two words. It just keeps growing. Yeah. It's fucking incredible. It's what every time like the NBA gets a, you know, now they're going to be on in China. They're like, awesome. Hell yeah.

Love it. Great. Sell it more. Put it on Mars. We don't care. More money for us. We don't have to do shit. Is there anything broadcast to the moon yet? Yeah. Fuck, I'm there.

Fly kind of... He has a tough time, though, in here. He's fun, but he has a tough time. Bob Costas says of him, back to Bob Costas, quote, I'd heard of Fly as a playground legend. I think the first game Fly came off the bench and scored 24 points.

We didn't draw huge crowds, but the 5,000 people that were there went nuts. He was an immediate crowd favorite. And he is. He's fun to watch. He's a great player. You can't miss him. Big old fro going down the court. Fly, he was a good fit.

Costas said about him, quote, he's's lightning quick very fast off the dribble will make the open shot no conscience from where uh he takes it unlikely to lead the league and assist he's a fucking shooter he's a scorer he's a ball hog and score but i mean how many guys in the nba have been too sure so there is a problem here fly uh fly has no teeth. Okay. None? That's what I want to get at. He has like two teeth in his mouth.

No way. Fly didn't have the best nutrition growing up and didn't have the best care and shit like that. And Fly has lost all of his teeth by the time he's 22 years old. Oh, this is great. He's got like one tooth. Everybody says he'd smile. He'd have this one tooth.

That is so great. So he's got like one tooth. He's a hillbilly playing basketball. Oh, this is great. He's got like one tooth. Everybody says he'd smile and have this one tooth. That is so great. So he's got like one tooth. He's a hillbilly playing basketball. Basically, yeah. And he was getting all the honeys. Yeah. He was a bad mamma jamma, even with one tooth. With one tooth.

That tells you something. How well are you storing? How bad of a mamma jamma do you have to be to get all the honeys with one tooth? Right. You got to be a bad mamma jamma. He get all the honeys with one tooth right you gotta be a bad mama jama gets all the honeys gets no teeth wow so oh that's so great he's famous for his lack of teeth and so that the problem is it would persist because he lack of nutrition as a kid he grew up he got skinny and then as he got older he couldn't eat eat much because what he could eat. James, he's 24. That's what I mean. With one tooth.

What he could eat was limited now because he had no teeth. Yeah. So his nutrition sucked now, too, because he could only eat what he could eat. He's got to liquefy his diet. So the Harry Weltman guy, the general manager there, he said that you've got to go to a dentist. We've got to get you some teeth. Let's get you some teeth. Right.

You know what I mean? Come on. What are the chances today he even has that one left? god well we'll talk about it all right well he's well i know about his teeth now we'll talk about it so but he says you need some teeth i think too for like publicity things he's a fucking character he's a guy you can you can advertise shit and he'll come so we want you to smile with more than one tooth he could be the face of the organization if only something some goddamn teeth. More than one tooth. So he said that he wants to send Fly to the dentist.

I'll send you there. We'll take care of it for you. This is how much we want you to have teeth. The team's going to pay for everything. So the dentist told Fly what he needs to do. He's like, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to do this, that, and this, and blah, blah, blah. Fly said, all right.

Dennis takes out a needle for Novocaine. Fly jumps out of the chair leaves the office and never goes back i don't blame him i'll fuck around with those needles he says he's done with that the dentist called the general manager and told him what happened and then the general harry weltman called fly and said what's quote what's going on you've got to have some teeth which is a great fucking line i don't know why that's such a fucking. Why are you running? You need teeth. What was fly's response to it?

Quote, man, I wouldn't be the fly if I had teeth. What? That's not. No, God, no,

the fly doesn't have teeth. No, I'm the fly and I have no teeth. That doesn't know that doesn't go together. I don't know what to say. You're a human being. Put teeth in your face. Man, I wouldn't be the fly if i had teeth i'll see you at the game bye like uh i know a dude that had meth mouth when i was in my early 20s there was nothing more shameful than having

fucked up teeth like that well when you're 22 it's like he's 75 he's been through some shit oh god so uh harry weltman said quote fly was not the kid whose reputation preceded him first he was not a bad person he was my daughter's favorite player and he was always nice to the fans when we cut fly my daughter cried but he also wasn't as good a basketball player as he was supposed to be either and uh that's the problem here he uh in february of 75 he gets suspended for a couple of games uh gets stuck on the bench for a couple games comes back into a game after they put him in as a as a relief guy he scores 20 points in 26 minutes and so they end up winning over the virginia squires he shows his value

and uh he says quote i guess that's the best i've played since new york there he sank 9 of 11 shots Quote, I guess that's the best I've played since New York there. He sank nine of 11 shots, and he was really good. That night, he says, quote, I've been practicing hard. By the way, he's 21. Unbelievable. 21. With one tooth.

With one tooth. I've been practicing hard, and I hope it's paid off. Tonight, I think I got some things straightened out, is what he says. How did he say all that with no teeth? Very carefully. Yeah. Very slowly, so it didn't fly out on him. He averages 9.4 points a game that season. That's not good.

So, I mean, it's not what he is, but he's not playing that much either. He's not playing a ton. He's playing 17.5 minutes a game. So he's a relief guy. He's a bench guy. So October 1st, 1975, this is right before the 75-76 season. The spirits cut him. They put him on waivers.

He apparently was beat out by a college kid. So they added, quote, the coaches felt he would have a difficult time making the club this season with our strengthened backcourt. Rather than hold him back, we felt it only fair to give him a chance to join another club as soon as possible. That what they say so uh he's out basically shit canned doing him a favor

yeah that's yeah it's all for him it's fine they said that he's looked really uh that they're that they you know he looked fine but they just didn't uh you know they didn't have a place for him the uh one of the coaches here said they asked Denver if they'd be interested, and Denver said they weren't interested. He said, quote, he didn't establish himself very well in the first year. I really don't know what will happen to him. He plays the same position as

David Thompson, so we can't use him. We're not looking for a 6'5 forward either. So he's out in Denver, and yeah, he said, we've just started camp if i were to bring him in right now we'd have to drop someone else and i'm pretty sensitive about that maybe if he started with us right off the bat it would have been different yeah that's what they said should have been called garlic aioli because he is just elevated he's nothing he's very elevated yeah this is larry brown saying this by the way coach larry brown who was coaching denver at that

time he said he has great talent. Nobody questions that. I think he might have been with more. I think if he might have been with more mature guys and experienced players, he might have been in a better situation. He's kind of young and he has some strange ideas about the game and it was hard for him to lose himself in a team situation, but he has talent. He seems

like he wants to play. That's important. I would say now a friend of his who played on the spirits said about him quote getting cut demoralized him it depressed him and he didn't try to get back into the league he just went to the streets and settled for being the playground legend it hurt me to see it hurt my heart to see him give up because in my opinion fly could have played with any team in the nba and that's kind of what he does here but he hangs around the spirits for 75 76 he doesn't leave they cut him but he doesn't leave because he's kind of the team drug

dealer really so he stays around yeah because he's the guy who has he'll get help he brings drugs in he's the pusher man he's the he's the pusher man yeah he's he's that guy in the alley he's the push-em man. He's the push-em man. Yeah. He's that guy in the alley. He's the hook-up. Yeah. But he's like, he's everybody's hook-up, especially Marvin Barnes. He's got him. He's got a couple other guys. They come with the team, and they have coke for everybody and shit. So one guy says, quote, sometimes Marvin would, oh, this is, I'm sorry, this is fly.

Sometimes Marvin would put me on the plane because they just needed their candy. I was the drug guy. I couldn't leave. I knew the dealers and everybody in every city. they used to put their orders in through me so he was the guy who used to get all the drugs for everybody on the team so they were like you can't cut fly right how the fuck are we supposed to get coke in you know san diego we don't know who to call anybody in milwaukee fly knows who to call that's the thing and everybody loved fly so that's how it worked here yeah obviously it's, he's not really a sustainable.

So awesome. That's not a career. No. To be the team's drug dealer. You got to figure it out. But along the way, this could be pretty fucking rad. This could be fun. You never know.

He ends up in Seattle for a while at the Supersonics in a camp there, but he gets cut in 76. So he ends up going to Tel Aviv to play in israel there's a lot of leagues over here europe yeah he's gone there middle east and uh he goes through the cba continental basketball association the eastern basketball league the usbl you've never heard of a player going this low and then getting into the nba not often it doesn't really happen very often we had somebody make a comeback but it's it's not much was it was quickly up and down and back out that one no billy ray bates no no no somebody else he uh it's at this point though he's got his money from the from playing for st louis so he would come to the playground game and this is from uh

the heaven is a playground here come to a plague i believe it's from that come to the playground game. And this is from the Heaven is a Playground here. Come to a play. I believe it's from that. Come to a playground game wearing a white rabbit fur coat. Yeah. With a gold Rolls Royce. Oh, no. He would leave it double parked outside the game.

What? And apparently a police officer told him to move it. And he tossed the keys and said, you move it. Wow. To the guy. That's the kind of balls he's got. And that's going to get you some street cred. You know what I'm saying?

Straight into my Bailey gates. Hey, you move the Rolls, motherfucker. Yeah, park it around the block for me, would you? Here, you got to wear this fur coat when you drive it. It's much better that way. You'll feel better about yourself. He plays for the Allentown Jets in 75-76. Now, in 1976, the Philadelphia 76ers of the NBA draft him in the ninth round. Oh, no.

Ninth round, 150-second pick overall. As you know, there's like 12 guys on a whole team. So ninth round is pretty deep. There's eight guys ahead of him for like two roster spots. He doesn't make the team. He's there. He goes to the camp and shit, but it doesn't work out. doesn't make the team. He's there. He goes to the championship, but it doesn't work out. Doesn't make the team.

75-76, he's in the Eastern Basketball Association playing for the Lancaster Red Roses, which sounds like a really... They're out of team names. They get down that line. The Red Rose. Okay, I guess. I am a Red Red Rose.

Probably owned by a guy who sells Red Roses. I own a rose farm. He averages 27.1 points a game here. So, I mean, he's dominating. Because the coach's kids are the other roster spots. That's the problem. Like, we can either get the lemonade guy out of the stands. Hey!

They didn't tell you it's a church league. The EBA? The Eastern Basketball? What? Hot dogs? I'll take a dog and get in there and play small forward. Play the three and give me one with crab and mustard. You're out of relish anyway.

Let's do it. Get on the court. You're useless. This is only in 17 appearances with Lancaster. He averages that there. He's an all-star in 77 there, but he doesn't get to the all-star game, the EBA or EBL, whatever it is, until the third quarter wow he arrives in the third quarter and says sorry had a flat tire yeah it's the all-star game just show up a

little early uh so yeah 77 78 more lancaster red roses this is when they're with the c that turned into the cba the eba got it 70 80s with the rochester zeniths hell yeah you don't want to be named after a bad television company that's not great i'm sure they were made in rochester that's why jesus and the new york guard for a while yeah uh now 1979 they're talking to him he's doing a lot of interviews and shit he's one of these guys where they're just like they'll just find him on the playground and be like fly williams what the fuck happened yeah why aren't you in the nba man why don't you have teeth yet so you still okay well you got that one you're holding on strong to that one you're polishing it fucking flossing it and shit he's getting every angle he's like oh no this one's strong i'm gonna hang on to it it's strong

they asked fly why why no nba he says quote it's got to be the rep. That's all it can be to me. I can't see anything else. It's got to be my reputation. It's got to be my reputation. Yeah. Okay. That's it, man. Apparently, he tried out for the Washington Bullets, and he got shit-canned out of there. Or no, I'm sorry.

That's not the Washington Bullets. That's another, some shit league bullets here. Apparently, he got there to this team, and he hit a referee in one of the first games he was there and was suspended for six games. Yeah, yeah. Hit a referee. Can't do that. No.

Suspended for six games for punching a referee. And so, you know, one of the NBA general managers said, quote, we've been watching fly extra close this year because of that incident. But except for that game he was thrown out of in january he's been great they're like we found him to be a train wreck but then he's pretty good he's not bad he ends up also during this time he plays in a little bit in anchorage alaska as well he goes up there he must have been a fucking fish they were like what the shit that Exposure. That should have been the show. Yeah.

Fly Williams and Anchorage. Camera trained on him. Let's see it. That's a mix between Northern Exposure and Live PD. Let's get it on. It's going to be awesome. Swatting a palin. Fuck yeah.

Fuck you know it. Leave me alone, lady. Come on. Just driving Bristol around in his gold Rolls Royce. Put on this jacket, bitch. Let's go. Come go come on now i'm gonna shoot wolves with your mama i need another coat oh man so he he plays uh for new jersey he plays for the new york gems of the usbl in 86 87 he's playing in uh in allentown in pennsylvania through the 80s. The Shore Bullets.

Oh, God, he's hanging on. The Jersey Shore Bullets. They changed their name, too. You want to be more specific. Yeah. But what shore? What shore? But which one?

The shore. Oh, the Jersey one. Oh, now we got it. All right. The Shore Bullets. Wow. So, mid-80s here. All right. Sure bullets. Wow. So the mid-80s here, it's not going well for Fly. No.

It's going bad. This is depressing as fuck. CBL in the Eastern League. It's not good on and off to Europe. And he ends up just, he's back in the playground a lot, too. Problem is, when he gets back in the playground, he's not really playing in these leagues as much anymore. And these leagues are shit.

By the way, these leagues he's's playing he's making 75 bucks a night making no money this is garbage this is just this is not good no this he's playing these leagues as a way to try to get back into some league that pays money uh maybe europe something like that but it's just not working out for him uh so he ends up as he puts it wandering the neighborhood and getting high that's what he starts doing that's not good drug addict pretty much he said he hung out in doorways oh that's what he said exactly what that is that's exactly what that is he said uh he was quote quote i was nowhere yeah is what he said did he have kids uh oh yeah oh god jesus what is happening we'll talk about

kids please think how do you do god he's got all those honeys what do you think nothing's gonna slip past the goalie here at one point uh at his physical worst while he's doing so badly with drugs uh he is freebasing cocaine at a just a remarkable level so much so that he gets his weight down he claims to 106 pounds that's too small he's six foot five james that's way too small that's that's emaciated to nothing organs and bones that's nothing yeah yeah that's you can't be that small i'm six foot four i couldn't lose 90 pounds okay you'd be sick i'd be a mess yeah yeah i would not get the flu and you die i would that's what i mean you get a cold the cold anything your infection it over. All over for you. But I think freebasing.

You never hear about anyone with a bad crack or freebase problem having like an ear infection. No. You ever hear about that? Never. Ever. Never. I have a sinus infection. Fuck.

I mean, say what you will. Say what you will about freebasing cocaine, but it will keep the doctor away for one thing. It'll bring him in for another. Different kind of doctor will come in for something else. But you're not going to have, you know. Infection be damned. Flu? No.

God, no. I freebased it away. Freebasing away the flu. It's the new thing you can do. Freebase away the flu. So he says about it, it was easy for him to do. He says, quote, sometimes I didn't even have to pay for it because everybody knew me. It was there.

I was there in games in the street. I never really even had to purchase it. He's getting free drugs. He's a legend on this. He's the number two playground player of all time. So people show up to him. It's oh, shit, it's fly. Right.

I mean, he's a legend. Period. That's it. I mean, he's people want to be friends with him. And so he's he doesn't know what to do. They said, what did you do to survive? He said, quote, hustling in the streets, man. I sold some sometimes.

I did a lot of things to survive and support. I got money from guys I knew in the league. I went on until I got into trouble. We'll talk about that here in a second. So a guy he knows says it got to the point where you knew something was going to happen and it wasn't going to be good his name was synonymous with drugs hooliganism and trouble uh but that came years after he was out of the limelight with basketball no shit um i guess he had to i guess he had to have something to hold

on to uh there were positives he could have really held on to but he went that other route he was all he was uh always our friend though we tried to get him to see the light you know people uh you know how people get involved in things and you know they shouldn't but they're basically a good person that was his case and that's what i get out of him too he's a decent guy but he's a mess yeah that's just how it works it's not you know nobody nobody says oh that fly is really out there trying to hurt kids right fucking you know just doesn't give a shit about himself he's no no no no he has no sense of tomorrow of next week of next hour of five minutes from now uh now 1987 comes around and this is uh a day before his birthday in 1987 okay uh day before his birthday in 1987. Yeah. Okay. A day before his birthday.

No, this is how he was born. February 11th? Yeah, I guess so. 16th? Something like that? Something, yeah. He's in early February. I think his birthday is February 13th.

Got it. So I think so. Yeah. So it's him, and he's with a 19-year-old named Derek Washington here. And he's 34. Yeah. So this is not great. And okay, now there's an incident.

It starts at a basketball game at Starrett City in Brooklyn. Okay? Before, during, and after the game, I guess Fly was arguing with a coach, a guy named James Ryans, over money that Fly said that Ryans owed him. So he's saying, you're going to pay me my fucking money. You're going to pay me my money all through the game, before the game, after the game. Okay? Now, Fly and his 19-year-old buddy, Derek Washington,

and then the Ryan's guy, the coach, James Ryan, and Ryan's 10-year-old son were there. Ryan and Ryan's, the Ryan's and the 10-year-old son drove off to get the money at Ryan's grandmother's house. Okay.

So another player there thought there was trouble. And he thought maybe the guy was going to go not get money, but get away to defend himself against fly. So somebody else says a guy, not a guy, but not somebody else. An off-duty police officer says that he went and retrieved his service revolver and a shotgun. Oh, my God. And he drives to this grandmother's house. Now, at this point, this police officer is Raymond Branch. He's off duty.

Branch said that he saw Williams, saw him. And basically, William saw Branch coming because they were all outside. They all went to the grandmother's house williams saw branch coming and this officer says that williams that fly attacked him with a folding knife he said he attacks him with a folding knife so branch says that he fired the shotgun hitting washington in the right side of the chest oh shit and fly in the back oh my god with a shotgun uh fly was taken to booth memorial hospital washington went somewhere else here uh williams fly was in guarded condition

and intensive care uh while washington ended up being in stable condition here uh now he this is crazy he's been shot seriously fucking wounded tore his chest, his lung, into his leg. Absolutely. Second time he's been shot again. This is fucking crazy. And also, on top of that, Derek Washington and Fly Williams are charged with attempted robbery, unlawful imprisonment, weapons possession, and menacing. So basically, they're saying that Fly said, we're going to go to your grandmother's house and get the money and drag them there and that's sort of a unlawful imprisonment attempted robbery kidnapping kid so now he's shot and fucking in trouble at the same time

now this is fucking ridiculous he uh he said about the money fly said quote he gave me some of it but we had an argument over it at the game. We were still going at one another when this guy took it upon himself to shoot me. That's Fly's interpretation of the whole thing. You came after him with a folding knife, Fly. That's. Like a butterfly knife or like. He just said a folding knife. Oh, boy.

Yeah. It ended up he loses a lung and a kidney out of this. Wow. Oh, yeah. They're trimming his internals, too. Oh, and half his stomach as well. As well. He's got no teeth.

Shotgun. I can't eat. This is good for him, actually. He's going to be less hungry now. He said, if it had been two inches to the left, I would have been paralyzed, and two inches higher, I would have been dead. What? Yeah, you got blasted with a shotgun.

It took half your insides out. Pretty much. It's just, yeah. I mean, he weighs even less now. Now he's down to like 101 pounds. He pounds fuck man it's brutal man uh so wow this is fucking crazy fly says quote this is his how he says about it in his own words fuck it in his own words i think is appropriate here in fly's own words quote uh some other guys got involved another friend of ours went home and got a shotgun they said i tried to rob my friend i i robbed my friend i had a job then working at

coney island hospital it was just a misunderstanding they said i came at the guy with a knife a knife against a shotgun that's what he said yeah he didn't think that was a a pro didn't think that was a good viable story. He's like, that's kind of bullshit. So he says, the blood filled up in my sneakers so fast. Oh, I'm sure. Oh, yeah. I had this leather jacket with a coyote on it, and the coyote was on fire from the shotgun blast.

Jesus Christ, his kidneys, all this shit, man. And he's charged with all of this. Jesus Christ, his kidneys, all this shit, man. And he's charged with all of this. By the way, he ends up being convicted of the attempted robbery, unlawful imprisonment, and then some. He ends up being sentenced and spending 14 months in Attica. That's a light sentence, but that's a bad sentence. Yeah, I think they're also like, you have like half your organs are missing.

I think that's a sentence enough for you right you. That's at least 10 years off. I would say, yeah. And he's going to Attica. Attica sucks. Yeah, that's not great. He says, quote, I ran basketball tournaments inside. He was kind of a celebrity inside. I mean, everyone from New York City knew him.

Are they really missing all your shit? Yeah, guards and inmates asked him for autographs and shit. I mean, it was one of those things. Somebody said, you could have died. He said, quote, I did die. I did. My heart had stopped, but they brought me back. I've seen life and death.

After I was shot, I saw light shining above me, and I saw fire below me. There was a tail curling around my leg. I'm serious. The priest in the hospital said it was the devil. Oh, boy. Well, it's good for his sales pitch. Well, you know, that devil's down there. You got to watch out for that. I'll certainly get some money in the plate said it was the devil. Oh, boy. Well, it's good for the priest. It's good for a sales pitch. Well, you know, that devil's down there. You got to watch out for that.

Certainly get some money in the plate this Sunday. Yeah. Another guy says, I saw the x-rays. Devil tail all the way. I saw the x-rays. We started counting the shotgun pellets inside him by the hundreds. It looked like a pepper shaker had spilled. How close was he?

Very close. Jesus. It was extremely. The coyote was on fire on his jacket. That's how close. He just blasted him like almost point blank. So 14 months in prison. Yeah.

He said this put a kink in his lifestyle because he was hanging out doing some fast-paced shit, smoking crack, freebasing. He said he hung out with Luther Vandross and Chaka khan that's rad hanging out with them yeah he said that that's that's what turned him into into a coke head because i started hanging out with all these celebrities yeah they all had lots of drugs they can afford them yeah and shit like that and so it was great and then he says afterwards he was doing all this he was playing basketball and dicking around and free base and he says quote i really didn't want to work no well no shit i wouldn't either i don't either everybody out there

listening you know half of you are at your job right now if you was up to you would you be there you want to work nope no well just go free base knock out all your teeth put one and go free base in the street enjoy uh quote i really didn't want to work and it was and it was an easy way out the first guy was going drugs for an easy way out he goes and it was an easy way out it started i started messing around with cocaine and started to go to parties and hanging out it got to the point where i was i went over the edge uh if it came if i if it came through here i was the king pin i was the man so that's what he said He did everything to excess is what he was saying. He really likes being the man. He likes that.

It's about being the man. He has. He says he's been, quote, shot four times from a 22 to a shotgun. Because that was when he was a kid, too. Why? Acting crazy. Acting a damn fool. Because I'm the man.

Because I'm the man. Everybody wants to take a shot at the man. Then he says, and I i quote if i said i'd change anything i'd be lying that's just me i had a ball fly is fly that's it that's that's his whole fucking thing wouldn't change a fucking thing wow so at this point he's sitting in jail with less organs than he should have right lessened way many less internal organs many more many more shotgun shrapnel than he should have. He's exchanged his kidney for some shrapnel.

And he's sitting there and saying that, you know, it's just me. Hey, you know, wouldn't change a damn thing. It's crazy, man. By the way, Attica is gross. Yes. I don't know if you've seen any documentaries on Attica or anything. It is absolutely fucking filthy in there. It's no good.

It's disgusting. fucking filthy in there it's no good it's disgusting the cells are nasty for a guy who you know used to maybe a little bit more of a light has seen a better lifestyle he's got on the road and rabbit jackets and rolls royce you know what i'm saying he's got honey he's all the he's a bad mama jama yes instead he's sitting there and he's like man this place could use some sprucing up and only one man can help him and that's dexter manly interior decorator from new york city and he says how is it you've come to arrive here seriously oh my god if anybody you listen listen to me okay let's start out with freebasing cocaine freebasing like crazy like just living in doorways is that how you want to do your life really you have sir you have one

tooth honestly it's it's polished it's it's lovely i'm not gonna lie it's lovely but it's there's one you need more than one that's what i'm saying you're white trash can i just you're white trash sir i'm sorry you don't listen you're just you're proud of it you're just see your white trash, sir? I'm sorry. You don't listen. You're just proud of it. You're just your white trash. No, no. No! No, you're not coming in, Vince. Vince, I told you. No, I want him. No! He said, I want him! You can't have him. I'm sorry. He's mine, Vince.

I'm coming in! I'm gonna have to open the door. I'm sorry. He gets crazy. He gets crazy. I don't know. He tagged in. I don't know why we're both here. He comes with me. I don't know. We've become kind of an item. I don't know. He tagged in. I don't know why we're both here. He comes with me. I don't know. We've become kind of an item. I don't know. Come on in, Vince Swine. He comes. I love him. Look at him.

No, no. I know. He's thin. He's thin. He can't. He's obviously not going to be a wrestler. He's going to be a manager. Oh, fly. Yes. And all of your guys, this is what you do because you need teeth. You have no teeth, fly. You have no teeth.

So your guy's going to go out there. He's going to get you some teeth. He's going to go out there and get me some teeth. And the guy's going to beat his opponent to a pulp. He's going to stand over him with a pair of pliers. He's going to pull out just like a bicuspid, just an incisor, just something out of each and every one of his opponents till you have a big, beautiful, white, pearly mouth of teeth.

You're running around with apples and you're like, I just want to start it. It's not a bad idea. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to fly. I'm going to be honest with you. You need something, okay? Honey, come on. Let's sit down.

Let's all talk about it. And then poof, in a puff of, Jesus, 1099s. 1099s. And glitter and boas. Other boas. All sorts of shit. They're both gone. And extracted teeth. And flies like, can't have teeth, man.

I wouldn't be the fly. But not the teeth. You know what I'm saying? I wouldn't be the fly without the teeth. I wouldn't be the fly if I could start an apple? If I could eat shit. Yeah. If I didn't have to cut an apple up into really tiny pieces.

If I didn't eat applesauce to keep the doctor away. I also don't get the skin off because there's no way for me to puncture that at all either. So he does 14 months in prison. Yeah. And there's enough in Attica. That's plenty for in prison. Yeah. And there's enough in Attica. That's plenty for Attica. Yeah. And he's released in 1991.

He did the whole sentence. He did 14 months. He was sentenced to more than that. He was sentenced to three years and did 14 months. Oh, I thought he was 14. No, he ended up doing 14 months. I said he was in prison for 14 months. He's sentenced to more than that.

So he ends up participating in the Old Timers Day tournament at the Foster Park. It's hosted by World Be Free. So it's all the old playground legends, which is, it's actually pretty cool in 91. That's a big deal. Oh yeah,

you're going to get all those old guys coming in. And he showed up with teeth. What? He had fucking teeth, man. How'd he do that? Mouthful of pearlies what apparently they gave him dentures in prison that was nice uh he's lenny dykstra be pissed right now by the way he's like hold on a second here wait a second wait a second wait a second fly goes to the fucking

prison and they give him teeth i go in and they fucking bash him out god damn it lenny we're gonna get you together with fly and you guys got to talk about this of what prisons give teeth and what prisons bash teeth because this shit is wrong man not just wrong not fair so uh yeah he comes out with teeth everybody said it was fucking amazing incredible the earl the goat said that you used to see him back in the day and you just have that one tooth big smile and all happy he said he came out he came out of jail he goes he smiled it was like a piano yeah he said it was like a piano he looked like magic johnson he says big whole fucking smile of pearly whites the guy i knew in high school who had the the meth mouth he used to cover his mouth and shake his head really fast when he would laugh like a japanese

girl yeah yeah and then he's like a young japanese. And then he dated a girl. Like a young Japanese girl. And then he dated a girl. So she's like, ha, ha, ha, ha. That's not a Japanese impression. That is how Japanese girls laugh. I've known Japanese girls. They laugh like that. He dated a girl whose mom worked for like a dental hygienist or whatever. And they got him a great deal on teeth.

And then they fixed his whole fucking mouth. And then he smiled at me one day. And I was like, he looked like the mask. He looked like Jim Carrey in the mask. And I was just like, can you just cover those? That doesn't look good. Good Lord. Yeah, that's even weirder.

Yes, I'd rather see meth mouth. Good God. That is bizarre how perfect those are. And they're like, what's his name? Buddy Ryan. Not Buddy Ryan. The Brex Ryan. Brex Ryan? how perfect those are and they're they're the twice they're like what's his name buddy ryan not buddy ryan the brex rod fucking ryan yeah the jets old jets coach with the big stupid yes fucking exactly it's so weird they're all square yeah perfect line down the middle it's like how the fuck did you get those aren't real motherfucker we know you're not a model we see it yeah

what a disaster It's hysterical You feel great for him but you feel bad for him Well people that just meet him They're just going to think this guy's got great Great teeth on him man Jesus Christ Water pick It's got to be a water pick right

It's not a quip toothbrush Is that what you're using Only a quip could get the teeth that clean that's what it is here so uh fly gets out yeah he's out of prison he's doing his thing uh there's like positive press on him he's playing in the playground games and he's got his life back together and you know he's just he's he's not he's not wandering around freebasing all the time that doesn't seem to be it. He seems to be pretty clean. He's his parole officer.

He gets off of parole even. And his parole officer clears him as a rehabilitated person. Magic Johnson teeth. Things are going great. Okay. Then one night in 1993, things go not so great. Oh, no. When narcotics officers break down his door and search his

home and they find $265,000 in cash. Oh, that's drugs. Which is more than he made ever in his whole career. So it's definitely not like, I saved my money. Right. No. I am really good at saving. And I just keep it in my shoebox right in cash right along

with drugs as well and you know and they had been watching him and he was right he's selling fucking drugs yeah uh yeah he this time here oh this is rough uh they take him to court on its drug trafficking the whole deal he gets sentenced to you sir may fuck off four and a half to nine years in Attica. Oh, God, Jesus. Yikes. That's brutal. They really don't like him. No, he's going back to Attica.

But fresh set of teeth, like nobody's business. But he's also a hero in there, so they're going to treat him great. He is treated well in Attica, though. That's the thing, because he is a playground legend. Anybody from New York City knows who fucking Fly Williams is, and he has respect. I mean, that's just the way it is. He says, quote, but still doesn't make prison any better, just because people are nice to you.

I mean, fuck. I don't care how nice. You just got stabbed tonight. Yeah, great. It still sucks. Thank you for not raping me. I guess I'll go into my dank, shitty cell and sit here with nowhere to go

and fucking not see my family and everything. Wonderful. But I do appreciate the no rape, though. That is helpful. I do appreciate it. It's helpful. It's not good, but it's helpful. The sleep is a little more comfortable.

You know. Slightly. He says, quote, Attica is hell. Birds don't even fly over that place. Wow. That is a great statement. Yeah, that's a great fucking quote, man. Birds skip that fly zone.

They don't. It's a no fly zone. Pigeons won't fly over here. No. So he does his time um and when he gets out of of prison yeah he he does about four years and he gets out of prison and he fluff pieces abound later on 98 99 and then later on 2008 2009 especially oh baby the fluff pieces come he says that his incarceration, his life changed. He said, I went to prison and really woke up.

He went to drug rehab, started talking to the young men in the prison, tell them to stay out of the streets and stay out of the gang, stay off drugs. He did three and a half years of his sentence. And he said, quote, basically, what I did was start a drug program. I gave a lot of seminars and talked to some of the young guys. So that's what he was doing. He gets out of prison and teams up with all the goat there and a couple other of the people who are sponsoring this sort of thing, and they form the Reality Check Foundation.

It's a project that he works on every day, he says. He says, quote quote life's been good after prison he's got a wife named carol he's got children uh that live with him here he's got another child we'll talk about he's got a junior jimmy of course he does he's got a junior yeah as you might know isn't it fascinating how drugs pay so well until you get caught and then you're like i can't go back for the same charges i'll get in a lot of trouble which other way of drugs pays also well keeping kids off them yeah well that doesn't pay well that's just the only job i can get pays enough to keep them straight keeps also if you have a prison record and you go for a drug prison record and you go for jobs there's really only one job

that you're going to be quite you could know to talk to kids and not do drugs other than that we don't trust you shitty your life is right other that, we don't trust you. You're talking about how shitty your life is. Other than that, we don't trust you with things. So yeah, he said, life's been good after prison. He's got two kids here, Jeffrey and Sinead.

He says, he says, quote, I'm just living for the kids today and raising funds for the foundation. Every day I'm hearing from someone who wants to help me. It's all what he's all about. 1998,

he takes on a summer basketball tournament program, the James Fly Williams Invitational. He says, I invite all the kids in the city from all the schools, from elementary to junior high to high school. I want all the kids who are not playing much on their team to come. We started on the 4th of July, and we had a barbecue and and free food and we played basketball from sunrise to sundown. I just went out and raised the money. That sounds fucking exhausting. That sounds terrible. Sun up to sundown?

No. Oh, boy. Wow. I mean, I don't think you'd play in every game. We'll play a 15 game with you. I mean, it's a lot of tournament. I mean, for a little bit. We'll play to 10 and then we'll play to 11.

We'll do 11 and then that's it. Maybe we'll run it back if we've still got knees. It could be fun. I'll bet I don't. I mean, Mike, go quick. You never know. Someone could get hot. It could go real fast.

He said he puts a suit on every day and goes out fundraising for the foundation. He says that he's friends with Mike Tyson. He's going to ask him for a donation. They're both from Brownsville. He's going to ask him for a donation. They're both from Brownsville. He's going to ask Mike Tyson for a donation. He's also going to see if he can get a hold of Bob Costas and get a donation from him. And he says it in the paper,

so they're on blast ahead of time. See if Bob Costas wants to make a donation. You know, these two guys that I've met a long time ago that have a shit pile of money. Yeah. And can donate to me. I know a couple. How's Marvin? Oh, no, not at Yeah. And can donate to me. I know a couple. Yeah. How's Marvin?

Oh, no, not at all. Marvin Barnes is doing bad. He says that, yeah, he's in the playground. He's in the offices. And just, you know, he says, quote, I go out in a suit every day and hit the streets and beat on doors. That's all he's doing.

And he also calls games, too, as a referee uh in college i call games on the naia college level i'm trying to get into the uh trying to get in the big schools and i will someday he wants to be like a big time college ref apparently so i don't know it's pretty interesting that he wants to be a ref of all people in his 60s what happens if someone falls down and right well he's only he's only in his 40s at this point this oh he's like 44 you can you can do it how great would it be if somebody lays down on a ball and he has to call that you have to kick him yeah you son of a bitch that's my trick this is shitty god damn it uh he says quote you uh you have to take the good with the bad i know that some of my

friends my family they don't understand that maybe I can help someone. All this stuff has happened. All this is a part of the story, and now I'm trying to add to it. I try to talk to some of the neighborhood kids, get them doing good. I'm putting the negatives behind me now. I'm trying to give something positive to kids, maybe even tell them a story. Maybe they can learn from it. He says, I'll be 45 on February 18th. I'm getting there, huh? No one would have believed it. So that's what he's trying to do. In 2000, his son, Fly Williams III. That's why I think he's a Jew in here.

Oh, my God. Oh, that's his son. On IMDB, he is Fly Williams III, period. So that is him. He starts getting acting roles in this. He's in finding forrester really finding forrester he plays a guy named fly really and finding forrester in 2000 uh uh the guy um fucking uh forrest whitaker's in that i want to say he is but then i think that it's

only because it's finding forrester and i'm thinking of forrest whitaker i see forrest in but i see him i it. I see him. It's probably not. He's on an episode of Law & Order as well. So that's when you start getting those acting roles. You get guest spots on Law & Order. He's in episode 2001 called Who Let the Dogs Out. Oh, no. He's in next year.

He must have done well because in the next year, he's on Law & Order Criminal Intent. They like him. That season. So, yeah, he's there. He's on Third Watch. Oh, that's a big and Order Criminal Intent. They like him. That season. So, yeah, he's there. He's on Third Watch. Oh, that's a big show. Yeah, Third Watch there.

And a couple of years go by with nothing. And he's in a movie called Freedom Land. He's in a TV show called Conviction. This is where he's being billed as James Fly Williams III here. Also, he's in a couple of shorts and shit like that. Why is he going by Fly? Don't take your dad's thing. He's taking the whole thing. Now, from 2009 to 2017, you don't see a lot of action.

No? Actually, none. In 2017, he's in a movie called Dope Fiend. But from 2009 to 2017, nothing on IMDb. And let's find out why. Oh, no. We'll find out why in a few minutes here. But, yeah, so that but from 2009 to 2017, nothing on IMDb and let's find out why. Oh no. Find out why in a few minutes here. But yeah, so that's his son.

Uh, February of 2009 comes around, man. He's a now, uh, he's a beloved member of the community. He's helping kids. Right. He's doing great. Back banging on doors, James. Banging on doors, putting a suit on, calling Mike Tyson, saying, Bob Costas, get your cheap ass over here and give me a donation. Give me a cheap fuck.

Give me a cheap ass. In February 2009, Austin Peay decides to retire his jersey. How fucking bleak. They retire his jersey. The president explains that there's a new administration here and we have different views on whether someone graduated and all this for retirement. Basically, if a guy was here, he's a great player, we want to celebrate it. And we're going to celebrate.

We have nothing else to talk about. We don't have shit, all right? Let's retire. Somebody say Austin Peay in the newspaper. We might get a sellout out of this. We're trying. So yeah, his college jersey is retired, which is pretty cool. It's retired at the halftime of the Austin Peay and University of Tennessee Martin.

I don't know what the fuck that is. So they focused on his career there. There's also a book coming out that year called Fly 35. Oh, okay. He wants to be out there. It's authored by a guy named Dave Link, by the way, that's out there. I didn't read that one.

Now, a couple others, but not that one, because it's a little too fly heavy, a little too much him on him. Right. Sounds like it's a self-filate book. Kind of. Well, especially later on. You'll see why it didn't matter,

because it's all bullshit anyway. So it doesn't matter here at all. So he ends up, like I said, his jersey's retired. May 3rd, 2017. Okay. Now, beginning on October 24th, 2016, so six months before this or so, the district attorney in Brooklyn has been using various forms of surveillance to keep tabs on what he calls, quote, the Williams heroin trafficking operation. Oh, shit.

Yeah, this is what he's been doing. He's in heroin now. This is what he's actually been doing. He might have been doing the other shit, too, but he's also doing this. This included a series of monthly undercover buys. undercover buys uh six such meetings williams and three others allegedly quote agreed to and expected to sell one and a half kilograms of heroin to an undercover uh buyer that deal didn't take place instead the da arrested people they arrested 21 people in all including james jr yeah including fly the third which is 2017 2017 right after he was in a movie called Dope Fiend. Right. So interesting, because they probably filmed it in 2016.

Hilarious. Also, his stepson that we talked about, Jeffrey, he had Jeffrey in that one. Jeffrey Doobie Britt is his name. He's also involved in the ring. God damn it, Doobie. So you want to involve your kids in your heroin trafficking. Right. Okay, this is what I don't understand.

Yeah. If you traffic heroin, you want to traffic heroin so your kids don't have to traffic heroin that's why you do that that's that's why you do it this makes no sense at all it's fucking ridiculous unbelievable this is why like joe kennedy told john kennedy we want you to be a fucking politician and he's gonna go to law school because i ran liquor right so you fucking idiots could do that and i sell it out of speakeasies that i fucking don't have anything to do with to keep the money funneled to somewhere clean and you fucks keep advancing in life go stupid yeah go be great it's the

godfather scenario a bunch of money and keep clear of it it's the godfather scenario this one's smart keep him away from it all that sort of, nope. Get him right into it here. He's dumb. So, yeah. They said that the DA alleges the drug ring earned more than $21 million across Brooklyn while under investigation for six months. In six months, they made $21 million. He's in a fourth-floor apartment, Fly is, in Jamaica, Queens, where he lived for 12 years.

Wow. So, he just just stayed kept a low profile he knew how to do it yeah according to the criminal complaint police recovered a loaded firearm uh from the scene here also 32 glass scenes of heroin there's a little plastic bags which are like you know little dime nickel dimes to be sold of her oh yeah this is street ready sales on the premises uh in addition to all the other shit he's initially arrested on six felony charges most serious among them being criminal sale of a controlled substance uh him and his three partners were they're arrested this is a huge drug bust they got they end up getting half

a million dollars worth of heroin 185 000 in cash a bunch of guns all this type of shit you know typical heroin ring shit here uh they said the this is this is fucking interesting here now keep this name in mind the gang's main distributor as they put it in the complaint richard cristiano rivera a 45 year old supply supply drugs to a johnny martinez cintron who packaged them and then sent them to uh fly's stepson jeffrey brit uh who then passed the uh and then he would be the guy who would distribute it to street level he would pass it out to the dealer so he was the basically he was the uh like in the wire for any use of wire scenario he's the d'angelo in the first season the stepson from the low rises there he's the one he's putting it out

telling him i'm doing all that shit actually no he would be more like the i guess in the early seasons he'd be more like the stringer bell now he's not dropping it off the monk was the one dropping shit off he's one of these middle guys who dropped yeah never mind so the drugs were distributed uh heroines distributed across the city in Pringles canisters, water bottles, and Mountain Dew cans that had been fitted with secret compartments.

Brilliant. They're using false bottom Pringle canisters and like Mountain Dew. 17-year-old kids. You should say like your aunt gives you when you're 14, you know, whatever. Hide your weed from your folks. Hilarious.

That never works. The NYPD deputy... Fucking idiots. It says Mountain Dew, but there's no N. There's no N. It says Mountain Dew. Why is it weird? The weight is all wrong.

Why is the middle fucking so flimsy? Jesus Christ, man. What happened here? Why does it feel odd? This says Priggles. I shake it, and there's no liquid, but it does. Dude, I see a baggie going back and forth. So, Priggles. I shake it. There's no liquid, but it does. Dude, I see a baggie going back and forth.

So, wow, this is fucking crazy. The NYPD deputy chief here said, quote, their packaging process gave them a false impression that they were distributing their product in a stealthy manner. Yeah, they were really going out of their way to do it. So they said that his son, Fly Jr. here, sold about $30 thousand dollars worth of heroin a week in the streets near brownsville or in brownsville near the recreation center where he was often seen mentoring high school students so they were going there he would go there under the basically i feel like the kids thing was almost to scout good heroin selling areas or some shit it It's fucking crazy. Or you got to know which kids are doing it and which kids are not.

Yeah. We'll go mentor the good ones and give heroin to the bad ones. Like, what the fuck is that? I guess then they said Fly would get his cut of the money from his stepson, and then he'd pass it over to a Lisette baby girl Kellylly who was his girlfriend and the drug rings financial manager yeah you know they have a bit of you gotta have a corporate setup right you know what i mean they're not good at math cfo flyer flyer and his son aren't good at math so they're like we're gonna get a woman in here to do the math i feel like she's more dependable they bring baby girl

in here to do that so they said between january and april investigators estimate that flies dealers push more than two million packets of heroin into the street to make 21 million dollars two million oh boy holy shit that's a lot of who are they supplying like philip seymour hosman junkies man that is so many junkies out there now two million dude and in new york because in new york you get these drug spots where you have the whole neighborhood in the whole area but then you have people that come from everywhere else and know that's a drug spot right so you get people from the burbs will come in and two million two million two million selling 21 million dollars worth of how do you still need to work still do it while you're fucking idiots you're probably not saving

it yeah but i don't dealers are not good at that shit i don't i can't imagine they keep they get to keep 21 million dollars no no well that's that's what they made that's their gross and obviously there's a lot of expenses in that that is low yeah it's still a few million bucks five ten million dollars i'm sure they called it the investigation operation flying high yeah smart well done, yeah. It said that a community in September 6th in 2016, a community member tipped off authorities. Oh, you bastard. Some nosy fuck made a phone call and it turned into this. So they said that Williams, his son, Britt and Martinez and Rivera, the guy said to keep him remember that name.

They face maximum sentence of 25 years. Wow. No fucking around. 25 years in Attica. Oh, boy. Wow. Also arrested were also arrested are accused local distributors, they say in the paper. Latoya Mark, Michael, Mike, Mike Roseboro, Mike, Mike, Marlon Campbell,, Mike. God damn it. Marlon Campbell.

Maurice Mojo McGee. Hell yeah. He's a bad mama jamma. I like that. Charles Lightmore. They all got great nicknames except for that guy. Charles Rav Morgan. Rave, Rav.

It's three letters, though. Tyrone Moe Munford. And also his son. The other people. Also, lots of tons of other charges that end up coming along. They think that Fly is the kingpin. That's the whole thing. Fly is the guy they say that's making the most money.

He appeals for a, he goes to court for a pretrial hearing. He's been in Rikers Island for months, held without bail here. He's in there, Jesus christ he's uh very thin they say when he when they arrested him he weighed about 160 pounds oh shit which is not good he's not like he's running up and down the court all day long um yeah they said uh you know he has no afro or his fro and his burns are gone but you know what are you gonna do do there? Yeah, Jesus Christ. So his lawyer requested bail be set. She said the phone calls made by Fly and recorded by the DA, he didn't use violent language or discuss things with co-defendants. They said, you know, what the hell?

The criminal indictment references several tape conversations that contradict her argument, though. The assistant DA read from the recordings. Oh, no. He said, here's one. Oh, Jesus. This is going to be so damning. This is a quote from Fly. This is never good.

No. This is assistant DA Robert Basso. He says, quote, they know I'll shoot that gun, too. You're not going to sell dope on this corner when I'm on this corner. Oh, no. That sounds like drug dealer to him. That's threatening. You come on my corner i'll shoot you

that's just get off my block yeah that's yeah it's ruthless that's what i'm saying that's what we led with a fucking uh that's not great so they were like they then he just shrugged like you know put him away shall we what do you think here so they sent uh they sent him back to rikers uh till december after that they said's going to go back in for months. He declined to be interviewed by the paper or anything like that. He does plead not guilty in June to all the charges here. Now, Jesus Christ, the Rivera guy, Richard Cristiano Rivera, okay? This guy is 45 years old.

He faces 25 years to life in prison and he's a conspiracy he's accused of. His lawyer, though, maintained through the entire thing. He was a guy right from the beginning didn't say, I didn't do this. His defense was, I'm not that guy. I'm a different

guy. You have the wrong man. You have arrested the wrong fucking person. I'm a different guy named fucking richard rivera not me right i'm a normal guy i do not sell her yeah i don't sell her yeah not ron rivera i i'm cristiano cristiano rivera uh he says uh i'm not me dude what the fuck he's held on 250 000 bail finally after months months of being in rikers island held on a high bail that he can't get saying it's not fucking me they finally go oh that's not him they arrested the wrong man wow they arrested the wrong richard rivera wow and

put you should see the look on his face in court everybody else is like got this look like yeah get it over with me he's got this look like this isn't insane who's who's gonna know it's a season they're looking at papers right now they're gonna someone's gonna notice this right it's not me right i'm not the 10 fingered man hey not me not him right absolutely not him they dismissed all the charges against him they now agreed to release him on his own recognizance they were so they were apologizing i don't know how that turned out god i hope he sued the balls off him yeah the jesus christ his lawyer said this guy was once charged as a kingpin in a heroin traffic heroin trafficking organization today he's a free man through large part of the

efforts of the detectives and district attorneys of the king's cap they should never arrest him to begin with he's no no he was arrested through large part of the king's county why would they arrest this man poor bastard jesus h christ the guy's a fucking are you joking did they get the real guy no i don't know if they ever found the real guy or not but it's more bastard crazy and they're the the trial or there's been no plea yet i don't know what's fly is still Fly is still there. This was a year and a half ago, or two and a half years ago, and it's still being processed. These huge drug cases take a lot because they're trying to tie in other people.

They basically want to bring 100 people into court at the same time and get it all over with at once. So these take a long time to put together. And he's facing 25 25 so two and a half ain't nothing he's got he's got time but he's getting older man he's in his 60s right now i mean he's tough life for fly fucking williams i mean why well i mean that's what he's it's all those fluff pieces all while the while he's got a heroin ring going on with his sons and everything else selling heroin where they recruit kids million dollars worth of heroin in six months in six months wow that's just what they do in six months

so i mean that's over time why are we brushing our balls with this i don't know i stayed up all night doing all this research i should sell heroin because this is crazy this is nuts jimmy at least we'll get free teeth next week week, heroin and free teeth. That's the subject of the show. If you need heroin, you can get a hold of Jimmy or I. Otherwise, don't do that. Can't get enough of James Fly Williams? Yeah.

I kind of can't. No. I kind of want more. You can get a fucking awesome jersey of his on eBay. The buy it now is $26.48. That's easy. it's amazing it's a fly williams 35 spirits of st louis with that cool plane jersey jimmy the best part plane yeah look at the back of it it says fly on the back get the fuck out it doesn't even say williams it never said williams on his jersey his fucking jersey says fly on it that's so rad that's dope as shit yeah

check that out buy that jersey like it's 26 48 i don't know what the shit that should be gone right now it's on ebay it's on ebay right seven available uh all different sizes any size they say here so get those large uh yeah i wear a large those are fucking awesome also uh i have a sweet marvin barnes jersey yes you do this is great uh it's amazing from the hot dogs yeah yeah no that's i have billy ray bates right yeah busby sent me the great tender juicy hot dogs billy ray bates philippines jersey awesome i have the aba all-star marvin barnes jersey really fucking dope yeah you remember the aba one yeah it's fucking sick the all-star jersey. It's amazing.

Unreal. It's amazing. We were sent to us. Who sent it? We'll talk about it. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, also buy loose balls. Yes. That sounds weird.

Buy loose balls, everybody. We'll just age into them. Yeah. If you're interested in the ABA, just hearing crazy stories about the 70s, just basically, if you want to hear crazy stories that all have giant afros, that's the book for you. There's all sorts of cool crazy stories. If you like old sports at all, it's fun.

And that's not even racist because the white guys had them too. That's what I mean. Big giant, everyone had a big giant. Everyone had a huge afro. Oh, every guy. White guys,

black guys, it didn't fucking matter. You just had to have as big a hair as you can get. Huge hair. That's all it was. Also, Heaven is a Playground

is the book that was written that was kind of introduced him to the world and then they made a movie out of it later it's like a fictionalized deal there also the fly 35 by dave link came out there and uh lots of stuff from jesus christ this this one had from those books all sorts of shit from like new york times in there and uh it's not over all sorts of shit it's not over yet uh we will get a fly update at some point but fly is uh absolutely in deep shit at the moment uh that heroin ring is is i mean they're up for some serious prosecution here and uh that is that for fly williams and like i said if you want to like a companion piece to a really good thing would be go back and listen to Marvin Barnes. Now, the audio quality isn't as good as these

because for the first 47 episodes, we didn't have a studio. We had a kitchen. We had a kitchen, and we had bad sound equipment. It doesn't sound terrible. It's just low. It's just a little bit lower. It's not quite as the depth isn't there as much, but it's not like it's like not uh

it's not there's none of that shit or anything like that definitely listenable just uh if you're working like in a heavy machinery yard you might not be able to hear it but uh if you're sitting at home doing something might be the thing to do but marvin barnes gives you a lot of background on the whole aba and the spirits right and also listen to that and then imagine those two on the same team at the same time. That's insane. With one selling Coke for the other or to the other one. Oh, boy.

It's fucking insane. So, yeah, check that out. And if you like that story, I know what you can do, damn it. You can go ahead and get on iTunes, Apple Podcasts, the purple icon,

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