Crime in Sports - #198 - Many Musclebound Murders - The Anabolicness of David Bieber

Episode Date: March 3, 2020

This week, we look at a man who was obsessed with looking good. He even tried to make a career of bodybuilding, but ended up selling steroids, getting involved in love triangles, and plotting murders. Just when police are closing in on him, he disappears. Seemingly gone for good, but actually living in a another country, and under an assumed name. Will he just quietly hide out, or brashly make his presence known, and participate in more horrific murder?? Fill yourself full of steroids, hide out in a foreign nation, and continue your killing spree with David Bieber!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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gushers we are appreciative is what we are. And because of that, we put together insane stories. And this is one of them. Great. I mean, this is, like I said, top five on the danger meter as far as people. This isn't like, oh, he got pulled over for a bunch of DUIs and had some coke on him once in a while. He's kind of fun and crazy. Are we on the highway, James?

Highway to the danger zone? To the danger zone. fun and crazy we're highway to the danger zone we're right into the teeth of the danger zone here all right this isn't this isn't even like um and not to downplay this but this isn't even like he beat his wife up a few times which just got awful or whatever but this is something completely different this is a dangerous society a danger oh absolutely society is a great way to put it because it's literally anybody and everybody in society so let's get to it here it's a guy that you've never heard of i guarantee it um and he because he's a bodybuilder oh now if you've not listened to all the crime and sports we have had i think like four bodybuilder episodes and they're

four out of the 10 craziest episodes comparativelyparatively, they really show you how a criminal athlete behaves. And they're fun, too, because there's no sports in these whatsoever. It's like in 92, he won a bodybuilding tournament. Anyway, back to Kyle. There's no, we can't say what his stats were. He had eight flexes on a, you know, three out of the eight were top bicep, and then he went to the lat. What the fuck are we going to talk about?

There's no stats for that. It's like an offensive line. He did a show where he was oily. You can't even talk about like, well, his team did this that year. There isn't even that. There's nothing. It's just him. It'd be like, it'd be like if it was a golfer that just didn't golf that year.

You know, like, I don't know what happened. So he's a bodybuilder and his name is David Francis Bieber. Like, okay. David Francis Bieber. Okay. Who sounds like the same spelling of Bieber. Yeah. Yeah.

B.I. It's B.I.E. Right. I think he's B.I.E. Yeah. B.I.E. Is he B.E.I.? This one's B.I.E.

B.E.R. Here's the thing. I'm not a Belieber, so I don't know. I don't know either. I don't know Eber't know either uh i don't know eber but it was too much my mouth almost said it anyway so i had to do it so yeah but david francis bieber sounds like a nice little young boy he does with like a propeller cat on right you'd spin it look at you yeah look at you on your way to church, are you? Okay. So he's born February 3rd, 1966, old Dave Bieber.

Older guy. Yeah, he's an older guy now. He was born down in Fort Myers, Florida. Of course he was. This story will not be contained to the United States. The UK will play a huge part in this story. Really? Oh, this is a crossing the pond type of thing.

Oh boy, from Fort Myers, done well and got across the pond. He didn't do well at all. His trip across the pond was not a good trip it was a it was the same trip that people would make like escaping cuba pretty much is what he did it's an interesting thing here a lot of interesting information on the background came from a guardian article that they had a couple things at Guardian.com. Yeah, Guardian.com. They had a couple things that nobody else had, so I have to give them credit for that. But yeah, he's born in 1966.

And Florida, by the way, back then, was not what Florida is now. I mean, it's a cesspool, obviously, but it was still a cesspool, but a way less populated swamp. The 70s, Florida, actually from 60 to 70 is when Florida exploded.

But it was still like backwoods and swamp. There was like Miami and there was Orlando wasn't really a city. Jacksonville was just bigger. Yeah, Tampa was, because it's a Navy town so it's always been something. Tampa was like a backwoods. They really

hadn't come into their own yet it was definitely florida was way different in the 60s so this was people who wanted to you know wanted to not be afraid of having an alligator yeah in their yard basically or in their bed yeah and the people who figured out if we screen this porch and i think we can live here if you go to florida skaters ain't so bad when there's screen everyone's got a screened in porch because otherwise they get screened in fucking pools you have to it's hell on earth otherwise it's hell on earth it's a tropical hellhole everything flies it's it's so scary terrible it's a place where you it's just it feels you can feel the malaria just buzzing in

the air it's fucking disgusting it comes from all angles everything is like there are big animals that come right at your waist height there are the little fucking gators that are you can't even see those and then there's roosters that everyone that you're not even allowed to defend yourself against they're everywhere they're everywhere in tampa so and somebody's sharpening those talons because they are jesus well they're running on concrete oh that's what does it yeah if you do that with dogs, they get like, they trim down. They're sharpening up.

Squawk, squawk coming at you, getting behind people's cars. Horrifying. I love watching someone have to get out of their car and shoo roosters away. I just want to go, maybe you guys should take care of that. I get that the roosters were there,

but it's time for the fucking roosters to be off the street now. I'm sorry. But when it's like this, let them breathe. Actual life. They're running around free like people don't touch the roosters. What are you fucking nuts? I wasn't gonna.

Oh, yeah. What are you crazy? Why would I fucking go near the Bruce? They're wild roosters. They've got a knife on their face. They have to have diseases. I'm sure just running around wild like that what if you're homeless in that town that's gotta be really frightening you wake up

and getting picked apart well you have to worry about like you know police bothering you you have to worry about like other homeless people rolling in taking all your shit a la bubbles you have to worry about a bubble situation you're walking with your cart and you're getting rolled by the another junkie is that a wire it's a rye reference you got that kind of situation and then on top of all of this shit you have to worry about roosters pecking your face like sleep jesus fuck gotta make sure you have no like cheeto crumbs on your beard when you go to sleep because you're gonna wake up with a pack you gotta have like a lock box to stuff all the food that you have if you're i mean if you if you're storing a bit of food or what any valuable.

Don't people do that when they camp for bears? Yeah, I imagine. They keep it in some sort of tin of some sort. Something where it keeps bears out. Where they're not getting in it. Or they can't even smell it. You've got to be able just to. I think they can.

Otherwise, you don't want to stuff bears. You've got to have a fucking trash locker. Otherwise, it's just a golden corral in the woods for a bear. It's just like, hey, look at this. Look at this. It's sweet tomato. Hey, shit. Terrible hot dogs. All right dogs all right great wonderful this is awesome fuck yeah right in the middle of the woods it's actually a step above the old golden corral probably yeah probably

food's done you know what you're right a box of fucking old warm hot dogs in the woods is that's superior to golden corral if you've ever been to golden corral so bad you can't i went one time to golden corral is enough it was in the middle of nowhere driving back from somewhere you have to go to know well yeah it was with uh josh there you know josh and we were we were we were driving back we went fishing yeah and it was years ago like 10 years ago we went fishing and on the way back there's a golden corral and we're like i don't know there's food there we were starving we were starving we were fishing since we didn't catch anything like we were gonna fillet it and cook it on the side of the road even if we did you know oh let me pop one of these fish out of

the cooler i'll eat it like a fucking snickers bar on the way back to phoenix i was gonna suck on this at first this is pretty good i could I'm getting some protein, I feel like. Now you know that that's a better move than going around. You know what? We should have just eaten them like fucking hand fruit in the car because we got in there. And first of all, youngest people by 30 years, which was hilarious anyway. You are both pieces of ass. Oh, forget about it.

We could have found a sugar mama. No problem. I mean, she would have had a walker. We had to help her in the car, but it's fine. The food was so... She's got a paid off house, and when she dies, it goes back to the government. You know what I'm saying? But, you know.

Not if I get involved. So, we sit to eat this food, and we went up like 12 times and never got more than one bite of anything, because we'd bite and we'd laugh. It wasn't even bad enough to like oh that's terrible like oh my god that's food holy shit dude dude you gotta try this it's the worst fucking oh my oh my god that's awesome i can't believe people are eating this they had this tuna salad right and it was oh that was not tuna a bowl and out of the middle of the bowl was a mound of tuna sticking

up like a like a hawaiian island like decoration and around it was a milky white pool of water that the tuna and water had separated so it was like an island sitting in a pool of water and it was the grossest thing i've ever seen and i just i just remember stopping and just staring at it for like a while just going whoa this is fucking deep like this shit's real people eat this shit somebody bring their grandchild in here and build like something out of the out of the tuna salad and i'm not looking down like i was poor as fuck at the time that's how he stopped at golden corral we can eat a bunch for like eight dollars no you can't you really can't that's the problem you can pay eight dollars but you're not going to be able to get much of that down your throat technically food

a sort of i guess it's got some sort of calories i don't think there's much of anything else in it fucking disgusting sodium and calories that's about it golden corral in the woods be careful with your with your camping food, you're right, though. It is better. It's a bad... Oh, God, is that a bad place. My dad actually likes it. Does he?

He's the guy... Honest to goodness, he... He was one of the people sitting in there eating it. He's from Jacksonville, man. Okay, yeah. That's considered culture in Jacksonville. That's like... They don't even have museums.

They have a Golden Corral that they built in 87. Right. You guys got a museum? Well, there's a Golden Corral that they built in 87. Right. You guys got a museum? Well, there's a Golden Corral we built in 87. I mean, that's historic. It's pretty old. Right? That's about the only thing that lasts around here.

We got a picture of Pat Sajak up to the side. He came in one time in 89. Didn't really come in per se. His car broke down. But he was here. I mean, he needed to use the bathroom let's be realistic but we said all right on one condition yeah there it is there's our condition up on the wall what do you guys charge uh for using your toilet

one sign one say jack even if you're not pat say jack that's the thing chuck woolery came one time and he was like i don't have any signed pictures of Pat Sajak. You can shit your pants, Chuck. You better write Pat Sajak on a picture of somebody is what I'm telling you, boy. Understand me? He's like, all right. Real big Wheel of Fortune fans around here. He did it, and he ran to the bathroom and said, I'll be back in two and two.

Couldn't help it. You son of a bitch. Chuck gets a quick fire. quick fire fires off a quick log that's all it is right after this i'm delirious today i'm delirious oh my god all right back to david justin bieber here yes david francis bieber he's uh he loves the golden crowd now he uh grew up in a middle class in Fort Myers, Florida. His parents were respectable people. He didn't grow up in a Hells Angels family. Not Florida squalor. No, no, no.

His father was a principal of a school. Oh. I mean, and his mother is a retired school teacher. So his parents are both educators. There's no goddamn excuse stable upbringing very stable very normal people everything fine childhood easy we talked to some people's childhoods anthony rumble johnson oh god christ almighty that poor bastard is fucking mother at best case scenario because we don't know what the truth is best case scenario

dropped him in some boiling water when he was a kid for no reason and you know that's the type of upbringings that we're surprised he's not a murderer that's what i mean and then this guy's just like everything was great yeah fine totally easy family so um yeah everything uh he's he's got a younger sister yeah named michelle who uh you know that's it it. So it's David and Michelle and Frank and Sandy are the parents, school teachers there. He's a happy kid, good athlete. He's only 5'10 when he grows up, but he's a really good athlete, very athletic, very agile and very strong, as we'll get into, obviously, to be a bodybuilder. And right away, I won't make the mistake, we know there's a difference between weightlifting

and bodybuilding because if you say, if we have a bodybuilding episode and we accidentally say weightlifting at some point, weightlifters tweet us. They lose their minds. Yeah,

because weightlifting is... We take this real damn serious around here. I want to pick up a goddamn Volkswagen and someday I'm going to do it. No, weightlifting is about

how much weight you can lift. Bodybuilding is about what you look like. It doesn't matter if you can't lift shit. If you looklifting is about how much weight you can lift. Bodybuilding is about what you look like. It doesn't matter if you can't lift shit. If you look great, terrific. So that's the difference, I guess, there. But he was a great athlete. Everything, suburbs, you know, easy family, easy life.

Things are kind of like a real easygoing American life for this kid. He plays baseball and football, and he's a swimmer growing up. Yeah, he's a really good swimmer, as a matter of fact. There's a lot of athletes from Fort Myers. A lot in Florida. A lot of athletes in Florida. I don't understand. I don't know what it is.

I don't know if it's... Is it all year long stuff? I mean, that's a year, too. Yeah, but that... Well, no, you can't do anything in the summer here. It's hot as fuck. It's like a winter. You can do it indoors.

You can do anything indoors. But there's all kinds of indoors places to do it here, too. That's true. Yeah, I guess so. Florida and California have that, where they have all these athletes, and half of it has to be the fact that you can do it all year round, so there's a buildup of a skill set that if you live in Pennsylvania, you don't get when you have to take six months off of baseball if you play it all year round. But at the same time, a lot of it has to be natural talent, too, an ability, an athletic

ability. Only thing I can think of possibly that I could attribute it to is maybe genetic diversity. A lot of people say it all the time. And I mean, you see genetic diversity works. You get people of very different backgrounds. You put them all in and it's going to benefit. You put them together and you get fucking The Rock and you get Derek Jeter and shit like that happening for you.

And A-Rod. I mean, granted, minus October, but he's still amazing. He's only Puerto Rican, though. Yeah, he's just... Are you sure? Yeah, I'm positive. I'm sure you are. Super Puerto Rican.

Very Puerto Rican and that's all, which is fine. But I mean, even Puerto Rico, though, is a diverse place because that's why which is fine but i mean that even puerto rico though is a diverse place because that's why they've every people from puerto rico there's a huge we talked about on the rusty torres episode the you know colors of the rainbow there it's a it's an island so people a lot of people stop there and there's a lot of genetic diversity there so you're going to get that that's what you get in a lot of these islands and it's fascinating stuff so maybe that california i don't know what it is but for some reason a lot of athletes there he uh in when he's 13 years old he sets a florida state record for the 100 yard breaststroke breaststroke so that's i don't know in swimming yeah obviously

it's not a baseball no no i watch that a lot with my kid because he's always a swimmer yeah he's 11 and does that a lot he sets a florida state record this guy's how old 13 okay so it's gonna stand for a minute he's a yeah dude's a badass i mean that's he's a beast in the pool apparently and uh apparently everything just goes well for this guy like he's just one of these people where he's good looking athletic yeah school comes easy just things come easy to this guy what yeah right i used to remember those people in high school like how does this work for you right how does all this work for you son of a bitch bryce cartlidge this dude was so fucking handsome he he made it to the to the he got drafted he played

for played baseball played for asu i think yeah and then what got drafted by the yankees he didn't make it past triple a take that you do. Few do. Take that, failure. Suck it. Yeah. And then he fucking bought a construction company with his money. Yeah, I'm sure he does fine. And he's doing great today. Bet his wife's like really hot.

Hot as fuck. Yeah, he's probably got a fucking... He's still crushing it. That's what I mean. Everybody can think... That's like the myth of it is like that athlete later on, he's going to... When he's fat and bald and he has four kids in the trailer park... No, doesn't happen.

I'm going to be an engineer. it no he'll still be fine you can go be an engineer also and you have a great life too but he's probably still gonna be athletic and have a more attractive wife than you and his kids will be more attractive and then they'll do better in life and it just keeps going keeps going guess what he may not make the majors but his son when he's mvp then they talk about pop used to play in the minor. As a kid, too, I used to attribute it just to because I was like, well, what do they have? And I used to just attribute it to, well, their families have money. You know what I mean?

So I would attribute it to that. Yeah, it's like, well, of course you have confidence. You have like a two-year-old car that your dad bought you. And like, I'm driving a fucking Oldsmobile that's got rust on it. And I attribute it to that. I don't think that's what it is. It i'm driving a fucking old mobile it's got rust on it i attribute it to that i don't think that's what it is it might be it's part of it yeah it is part of it because certainly a leg up it's it's a confidence thing i think too kids but there's also drive and determination yeah yeah and deep-seated confidence of i can do this whereas me i looked at and i was like i can do it for fun yeah i was yeah i'm not gonna

do anything beyond that i would be very much just like well i'm fuck him then you know and angry at someone for yeah and that's where i hang on to it that's yeah that's why i was an angry person as a child and we'll fuck you yeah i don't care about what you can do yeah good for you 100 set in the record huh good for you i'm gonna go drink Yeah, that's just because. I'm 14. That's because your dad bought you a Mustang. That's why you set the record in the 100-yard breaststroke. You know? When you were a kid, that's what you think, though. That's what I thought anyway.

You know how your dad has a deep wallet for cars and shit? Mine has a bunch of beer in the fridge that he didn't count. And you know what else he has? An extra fridge in the garage. He lost track of that a long time ago. Yeah, you can take as many beers as you want out of there so my life's going pretty sweet too okay thank you thank you mr florida state record fucking dick so a friend of his named bobby ammons who went to school with him and grew up with him you know all through school in florida quote, he could have been a model. He was a great looking guy.

The kind of shape he was in is phenomenal. Of course, he drove around in a nice car and he always had money. That's what I mean. It all goes hand in hand in hand. How many kids did you know in high school that were like super confident, popular, did great, hot girls and all that and were super fucking poor right and didn't have a piece of shit car not a lot that's the thing not a lot you get the dude that like you know yeah not a lot it just wasn't a thing like there were two twins that were ugly as fuck

and they had a badass tahoe that was slammed on the ground on 20s and they were popular as fuck see no that's the difference too you grew up you went to high school in phoenix where like there are like especially your area that you grew up there's some there's people that are poor as fuck that live in there hello rich as fuck kids that live in that area too they all go to that school athletes with their goddamn kids at my school absolutely and then me that's what i mean stolen tommy hillfiger shirt i had bootleg ones from the bronx so i get it well i didn't steal them from the from macy's i stole them from ross i just bought them from fucking asian ladies on

the street in the bronx i got a perry ellis jacket but it has the p missing so it just says is this a real guest shirt 12 you're like well okay i guess probably no i guess it's a real no but i guess I'll buy it. It looks fine. It says Guess on it. It's real enough. It's fine. Real enough for me in 1994.

Five, six, whatever the fuck it was. So, yeah, like I said, hand in hand. All these things go hand in hand. But another friend of his, Greg Martin, said that he's just, it always was that way for him. Just always easy. All the girls liked him. All the girls liked him. All the people liked him. Teachers liked him.

Just had it easy. This Greg Martin guy said, quote, when I went over to his house, it was full of swimming trophies. That really kind of started his physique. Because even as an 11-year-old, he had a better body than the rest of us. He was stronger than us. So that's just athletically superior. At 11, he's making other

11 year olds feel fucking yeah they're like oh yeah that's all he did is just had early puberty that means probably it's just you know but also at that age though that's like you have people with and it's got to be the same for girls too because you have girls that are you know 13 that have fucking giant tits and you have girls that are 13 that are not at all nothing yeah because they're children and they all develop at different paces same thing with boys you'll have boys that you know are muscular and have hairy balls when they're 12 and then they're standing next to a kid who's kind of like whoa this is scary meanwhile though dude 40 40 50 40 50 hours in a pool during the week will change your body.

It is amazing what it does. Absolutely. There are kids that are 15, 16 years old that swim with my boy that I'm just I'm blown away with how much of men they look like. I'm like, that is I never looked like you. You son of a bitch. You just sounded like such a pedophile. There's boys that swim with my son, James. Their bodies are incredible.

They're taut. They're taut. They just have shoulders. They're firm but supple. You know what I mean? I can't describe it to you, James. It's just amazing. I'm just 39 looking at them going, you bastards.

Let's just say I don't mind these three-day swim tournaments. Let's just say that. Ruining my weekend to stare at these hot bastards these hot bastards you hot shit son of a bitch i'm telling you man it's crazy they don't even lift weights but they've got pecs i'm like how does that even happen what is going how do you do that it's just from the water resistance exactly it's resistance and just using that muscle group that much constantly constantly yeah yeah 50 fucking hours a week that'll do it yeah 50 hours is spare because i fucking don't know see that's the problem i'm not being jealous

at 11 you really have time to do anything you could learn crazy if you're 11 right now you could just pick up a clarinet and you'll get good at it because you have plenty of do anything you could learn if you're 11 right now you could just pick up a clarinet and you'll get good at it because you have plenty of time like you might not be like you know first chair or some philharmonic somewhere but you could you'll be able to play songs and freak people out of parties and shit you could whip out a clarinet and start playing the theme song or something people be like oh shit you'll get laid for that you that stupid shit will get you laid if someone's you know stoned and in the right state of state of mind and be like i like his fucking style this is good shit i'm gonna fuck that guy willingly i'm gonna fuck him i'm gonna do yeah this is pretty good

i like it he's entertaining at 11 you could do that whereas right now if i gave you a clarinet and i checked back in with you in 25 years you'd go thank you exactly that's what i thought never mind you didn't even have time did you no i've never picked it up never took it out of the box once this is the first day james 25 years later it doesn't work i think this thing's broken actually i'm not positive i think you should take it back to the store are they still open now 25 years later spit valves certainly full super gross yeah so yeah he's. So, yeah, he's getting, and as he swims, he becomes more muscular,

more muscular, and also he joins the football team in high school as well. Of course. And he starts lifting weights. So now he's lifting weights, swimming like a madman, playing baseball,

playing football, doing everything, driving a nice car, having money. Having a life. Having a great, having a better life than I've ever had as a teenager. Somebody take my fucking bills. Let me do this.

Yeah, I want to be this guy. Can I be this guy? Can we? You know what? I've been back 20 years. I'm not going to be selfish. Not even just can I be this guy. Can we be this guy?

Can two adults together have the happiness of one 16-year-old like in the 70s? Right. Can we just have that? I don't think it's a lot to ask for. We work hard. We try. We're pushing. We're pushing.

The Martin guy said, quote, David was getting bigger than a lot of us. He was really starting to get some good size on him. And some of us were starting to rumor, hey, maybe David's using steroids. And as a matter of fact, he was definitely using steroids. He's going to really, really, really enjoy a lot of steroids. And when we talk about bodybuilder steroids, because we haven't done a bodybuilder episode since, holy shit, Kimbrough, maybe. It was like 100 episodes ago. It was so long ago.

Then we had Bertil Fox. Right. I think that was the last one. What about that Kimbrough guy? He was later. Was he later? He was after Bertil Fox. I think he was after Bertil Fox.

I thought it was Bertil. I think Bertil was like 60-something. You might be right, because Bertil was like when he was shit and concrete, right? Yeah, shit and concrete. Exactly. Thank you for remembering that. That was the guy eating like two foot long tuna sandwiches from probably from goddamn golden corral jesus oh no no not with that water like that i'd give someone anything to just take a straw to that to that water. Anything you want. I have 20 on that. Anything you want,

you can have. Just take a straw. $20 is worth the gag that's coming next. And really put it, like, look like a chick on a Diet Coke commercial

when she takes a sip. Like, she's like, ooh, that's good. Like, at the same time she's zipping

like one of those. She's getting lipstick on here. I want like a fun, a crazy straw. I want to watch it go up the spiral and everything. I want to see it. I want to see it. And then hit your fucking lips.

Slower. Slower. Not so fast. Now all it wants, take it down in one shot. God, Jesus. So yeah, the Ammons guy said he and Bieber started taking steroids together. Now steroids, like we said, people have used a lot of steroids. And we've talked about baseball players.

Lenny Dykstra is very open about his steroid use. That's a different type of steroid use. That's an anabolic one? No, no, no. I don't mean different type of steroids. Oh. They're using them differently. Yeah.

Like, Lenny Dykstra using steroids was, I'd like to make those doubles to the warning track go over the wall. Right. That's what that is i'd like to get an extra 25 feet on my fucking and and you know a little easier recovery from game to game get an extra 25 feet instead of hitting 11 home runs maybe i hit 26 home runs there you go and that's worth an extra you know 20 million dollars that's baseball player steroids this is jam as much steroids into your body as it can hold, whereas if you stuck him with a pin, green juice would pour out that kills flowers on the ground. That's as much steroids as he's got in him.

So you just get his packed and swollen. So it's a different type. Don't associate Barry Bonds or whoever with this. This is different. If he pisses in the same spot in the urinal, it will burn a hole in it. Yeah, absolutely. He will be like Eddie Murphy in Raw.

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Quite acid. So it's just totally a different thing. And it's because the goal is different. The goal is, yeah, maximum pump. Even wrestlers don't. It's not this. We're talking wrestlers. They still have to be able to move around and wrestle and be athletic.

This guy is building to go from, I can lift, I can bench 280 right now. I want to bench, I don't know 590 and he gets to the point and it's got to be the looks of it too you're trying to swell every muscle he gets to the point

where he can't cross his legs because his thighs are too muscular that's the type of thing we're talking about like a wrestler they have to be able to take a suplex still

and do things and move and you know and be agile he can't cross his legs these people are like human statues. They might as well be just wheeled out on a hand cart

and placed there and have it pulled away and then come collect them later on. Just put them in a glass case for the night. There you go. With a bunch of chicken and potatoes and steroids. Enjoy. But I guess this Ammons guy said that bieber really got into the steroids he said quote he got even bigger and stronger than he already was and uh another greg martin

the other guy again he's a teacher nowadays by the way so he he didn't follow the same road here as as bieber at all followed his parents road he followed his well i don't know if greg martin's parents bieber's parents yeah uh he says quote we had no signs anything like what happened would happen his father did a good job raising him and i know he is heartbroken about it david was a bright polite very athletic really the best athlete in school and always very well-mannered foreshadowing foreshadowing uh oh yeah who would have thought it would end like this that's what we're talking about here that's a lot of this this week uh two different universities uh tried scouted him for football scholarships really so he had scholarship offers university universities yeah he had

scholarship offers but nothing panned out for him uh in in that he decided not to go to college and instead uh he graduates high school all jacked up on steroids, fucking wind in his hair with a nice car and hot women. Life is his oyster and all sorts of letters on his jacket. Things are going great. Grace, this is Grace. I'm sorry. It's over. This is Grace.

High school hero. Does not get any better. It can't get any better than that. Unless this guy becomes a star NFL quarterback or has some crazy invent something. How is life? This kid has no, and I'm going to say this, he has no worries at all. He's a kid, so he has no bills. He has no concerns.

He doesn't have kids he has to worry about. In lawless 70s Florida. Do anything you want. You could just kill people and dump them in a swamp there. Just kick them right into it. Alligators would eat it up. It's no problem. Cocaine, blocks of coke just floating off the shore.

You could just pick it up and snort your body weight in it. It was crazy. You had to push the coke aside to dispose of a body. That's what you had to do. Jesus Christ. Who's leaving all their coke here and trying to dispose of my fucking business associate what you had to do jesus christ who's leaving all their coke here i'm trying to dispose of my fucking business associate jesus christ it's real florida's becoming a mess i'm telling you right now used to be able to throw a body now the sharks are

too fucked up to even eat the body they're on all this coke they don't even want to eat america's panhandle it is that's america's taint so uh they scouted him grace he's done with high school like i said i can't get any better than that. Just because of your time and your life, you have no worries. It's incredible. I don't care if you're not going on vacations or whatever. You have no worries. Life is great.

So that's 84 is when he graduates. And he's huge and big. And he decides he's going into the Marines. Really? That's his decision. He's going to be a marine at this point okay um i don't know what i mean good for you i don't know yeah go into the marines but he's got at that point it's kind of heroic there because he's got opportunity and

offers to go somewhere else he could not do this if he wants he doesn't have it's not like i have nothing going on he could go to college he could do a lot of different things and he decides to go into the Marines here. And he joins the Marines. And you'd think it might be a good match for him. Except for? Except for the fact that he's barely a year, and he is dishonorably discharged for punching an instructor. Wow.

You can't do that. That's not how I thought that was going to go. Yeah, you can't do that that's not how i thought that was gonna go you can't do that if you've ever seen full metal jacket after he punched the instructor he then blew his brains out because he really fucked up bad there you can't do that it was over yeah you're in deep shit if you punched an instructor uh so they they kicked his ass out uh later on he said uh he said that boot camp in south carolina didn't suit him no just didn't suit him he said i can't imagine he said quote we got to imagine. He said, quote, we got to march around

like a bunch of idiots and we yelled at a lot. That was his... Sounds like boot camp. I think that's boot camp. Marching around getting yelled at a lot. I think if he's ever seen a movie,

that's boot camp. You shouldn't be surprised by that. There's never been a movie where that wasn't involved. It would be like saying, I went and played football just a bunch of dudes tackling each other

and throwing a ball around. Yeah, that's football. Exactly. I went to boot camp. We sat bunch of dudes tackling each other and throwing a ball around. Yeah, that's football. Exactly. I went to boot camp. We sat on the beach and drank Mai Tais. It was great. The worst boot camp I've ever seen. I will say the best massage I've ever had I got on that.

That was wonderful. In boot camp. Came home loose as a goose. I was feeling good about myself. Boot camp. Boot camp. Somebody else shined my boots for me. It was wonderful.

Took my gun apart. Put it back together for me. It was wonderful. Took my gun apart, put it back together for me. It was fabulous. It was great. You ever see in those old movies, like when pharaohs are being fed grapes by people? That's what they were doing. Boot camp. Just whole grape things and lowering it into my mouth. Boot camp.

March around like a bunch of idiots and we're yelled at a lot. And? And? And? And that didn't work out for you? I don't know what he expected out of the military that's the thing that i what was he thinking this wasn't in the brochure was it stuck together it's what are you talking about when you think of a marine yeah like drill instructor you see a stern

looking person yelling right that's exactly what you're doing and you know what he's yelling at people to do fucking march more right run harder march harder so you're marching and being yelled at to march in circles going nowhere aimless doesn't matter you're just doing what this idiot says there's even an enemy right you're just on a base pretending that's yeah boot camp not his thing didn't suit him uh he did gain a sharp shooter qualification oh uh there uh as so he's a good shooter yeah he's good with guns and he likes guns as we'll talk about later on he's probably the allure of the marines i think that's probably what it was he likes guns and he has desire to murder as we'll find out i feel like maybe he's like maybe i'll go kill people and he was there a year and he's

like we're still not in a fucking war. We're not. Where's the killing? Jesus Christ. I thought NOM's not still happening. What the? Ten years ago. Jesus Christ. Really? It's ended.

Peace time? I'm voting for Nixon. This is ridiculous. I want fucking NOM back. That's I feel. Nobody told me we were in peace. This is ridiculous. And then he just punched somebody and he's thrown out.

You're out when you punch Arlie Arman. start not peace time yeah his friend amman said quote he realized this ain't for me people here actually tell me what to do he didn't like that the authority thing really didn't fly with him why didn't explain this to him that's the number one thing about the marines and i would say is they're going to yell at you and you're not allowed to do anything you want because you're in the fucking marines because they own you that you've signed a thing you literally said you own me yeah please yell at me and make me march around like an idiot cut my hair how you want however you want i don't care right fucking draw a dick on the back and in baldness i don't care i'll wear what you want

i have to yeah i don't give a shit give me me a gun. I march. I'm good at it. Trust me. Otherwise, I get yelled at more. So he ends up getting, like I said, honorably, not honorably discharged, not even dishonorably. It's just non-honorably, probably. So in 86, he moves back to Fort Myers, Florida. And at this point, now what do you do? You're stuck.

You're back in Florida. It's ugly. Now you've kind of blown your, not like you can go take a football scholarship after you've spent a year and a half in the Marines. You've blown that. You're not much of a team player if you punched the guy in charge at boot camp. Yeah. The Marines, you can't exactly put that on a job application right now. Well, I was in the Marines for 14 months.

How'd that work out? 14 months. Don't they usually sign you up for a little longer than that? Not if you punch your instructor, they don't. Wink, wink. So, when do I start? Probably not the best way to get a job. So, he's got problems.

So, what does he do? Dives into bodybuilding full time. He's going to be a competitive fucking bodybuilder. That's one way to do it when nobody's telling you what to do yeah that's your own boss yeah you can stick yourself full of steroids all you want and he this is when he blows up i'm talking everything he can get his hands on he's pumping into his body yeah gets enormous i mean he is fucking monstrous and that's he's not he's 5 10 which is a good height for a bodybuilder too you don't want to be too tall and be a bodybuilder as we've talked about

the arnold schwarzenegger model is the it's tough to put that on the exception it just no matter how much muscle mass you have it doesn't look the same if it's spread out that that way it's just weird unless you're a freak like an arnold in the 70s freak of nature but we all don't have arnold schwarzenegger's genetics no probably you know his head's the size of a fucking cadillac escalade his jaws he's just a different kind of human that we're not all like so uh we're not all giant austrians no so yeah he's really really taken a shitload of steroids and people said that you could tell his demeanor changed he started that he just was a different guy sure when you're on that much steroids it's very it's very obvious and i think a lot of the times the roid rage and shit like

that is overblown yeah for people who take a mild amount of steroids like if you read jose canseco's book, the Juiced book, and it's funny because everybody laughed at him, as you should, because he's a fucking idiot. He's a total idiot. But the thing about the book is everything he says in it is totally true, at least to his mind. He's honest to what he expects is honesty.

Yeah, and I wouldn't take his advice on a lot of things. Anything? I wouldn't say, hey, Jose, I have this thing with my taxes. Is it a deduction if i wouldn't go to jose with that you know what i mean i wouldn't go to jose i don't think he's great with money i don't know what it is probably not maybe because he's had multiple houses repossessed and he's always bankrupt possibly he made 130 million dollars millions of dollars there's no reason he shouldn't have anything possibly certain things like that i would not take jose advice on. But one thing I would take his advice on is steroids. Because he really knows steroids better than anyone, I would say.

He knows steroids probably as well as any doctor knows steroids. Or a chemist. Or a chemist. He's been doing it since 1985, 1986. And he really had made it his, it was his whole life, his whole livelihood. It was his clarinet. You know what I mean? He had time and he really had made it his it was his whole life his whole livelihood it was his clarinet yeah you know i mean he had time and he did it and he talks about how you mix it how you cycle it how to do this so you don't end up destroying your body and i mean not for nothing but that dude i'm not saying go take steroids but i mean if you're that good at it and whatever you look at that guy

right now he's in his 50s. He looks fucking great. He does. He looks fantastic. He's not hobbling. He doesn't look a lot of the people who took too much. You see him. They look awful. He's not that guy.

No, he looks fantastic. He's still in great shape. He's not that hobbled, even though he didn't sparingly back problems and everything. But, you know, he's still throwing out first pitches today. That's what I mean. No, he's still doing home run derbies and shit and hitting fucking balls 400 feet so you know he's there's different ways to do it and like i said this guy completely different thing he's just stuffing it in getting huge destroying his joints i'm sure and everything else and uh he starts taking doing contests and winning contests bodybuilding

contests his father says uh his father here says quote that was the beginning of the end he was once a quiet nice young man who would have thought it would have turned out like this oh boy so things are here's the other thing uh pop your boy hasn't earned a goddamn dollar yet either no i don't know what you i'm sure if you win a bodybuilding tournament you probably win something a hundred dollars a bunch of oil something. $100, a bunch of oil. Gift card to GNC. Shitloads of oil. Here's some...

You win a case of baby oil. Here's a bottle of Johnson & Johnson. Enjoy. You smell wonderful. Yeah, maybe. I don't know what else. You smell like a newborn. Apparently.

I don't know what you win. What's the allure of that? I don't know. It's got to be an ego. Gift cards to Golden Corral. Makes you feel good. I mean, what's the allure of that? I don't know. It's got to be an ego. Gift cards to Golden Corral. Makes you feel good. Yeah. I mean, what's the allure of doing stand-up comedy?

What's wrong with us? You're not winning anything there either. That's the thing. Stand-up comedy probably has a longer road without money than bodybuilding. Probably. Yeah. It's so brutal. It's brutal.

We've done this before, but if you go to a comedy club, just your random comedy club, you go on a Friday night, some headliner that you may have heard of lineup of three yeah lineup of three you're that's the typical setup and the headliners you didn't be like oh that guy's coming to tell bill burr's coming to town getting wasn't anything like that just line up some lady or some guy that you saw maybe i wasn't in that show i think they were like the backup guy yeah i don't know whatever we want to go out tonight either way way, we're just going out. Let's have a laugh. It doesn't matter who they are.

We watched a two-minute clip of them on YouTube based on, yeah, that's pretty funny. Yeah, whatever. So you go. And that headliner's up, and there's two people before them. There's the host, and there's the middle guy. And you watch these guys. And the host, a lot of times, depending on the comedy club, will be shit. Most of the time will be shit.

Sometimes they barely let them do any jokes anyway. They're basically just coming out and kind of, telling you to give it up to the wait staff. Give it up to the wait staff. Fill out your comment cards. We've got a drink special. They tell one joke, and we're like,

all right, let's get this going. They'll do that to these poor bastards all the time. And then you get the feature, who comes out next. And that guy's been a host a million times. A trillion times. Just so many that he hates it it's the worst job

ever and he's like every time he the guy and the host introduces him he's like thank god i don't have to do that but he goes out there he's got a credit or two yeah you're you'll hear the host will be like this guy was on conan right this guy like i've seen conan he's got a thing on amazon and you're like oh wow look at that oh he's been on. This is a professional comedian. And they'll come out. And he is a professional comedian. Or she is a professional comedian. They're good.

They have 25 to 30 minutes of solid jokes. She laughed the whole time. Tied together. Oh, my gosh. His clothes are talked about. A couple big jokes. That was great. A couple applause breaks.

A professional fucking comedian where you're like, wow, this person's here all the way from New York and they've been on all these TV shows. That person for doing that, for training for years and years of going to literally 15 goddamn years, eight to 10 years of free shows and then five years of fucking hosting for nothing and telling people to fill out their comment cards. And then they get on TV and they do all this and they fly from fucking New York to come see you in Tulsa. And here he is.

That dude's making $100 for that. $100. That's real. So, yeah. Everywhere. And you know what? That's the standard. That's the high end.

Oh, there's clubs. There's some shit clubs out there. 80 bucks. 70 bucks. You know who we're talking about. Fucking. Ouch. What's that one in San Diego?

I'll call you motherfuckers out. Pay your comics more. I don't give a shit. What's the name of that fucking place? I don't remember. You've played it before. I know, but I don't remember. It's on the.

It's in the. Is it the Comedy Palace? No. It's in a strip club. No, no, no, no. It's got a weird name. It's the Palace. Is it the Palace?

It is. I don't want to besmirch the wrong people. It's the Comedy Palace. I thought it? It is. I don't want to besmirch the wrong people. It's the comedy palace. I thought it was like the... I guarantee it. I think they paid me $65 for that. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

And you drove to California. All the way there. That's what I mean. For $65. It's brutal. Not even gas money. No. That's what comics do.

And then I drove back. Yeah. That's what I mean. So basically, if you see a comic that's like blowing up right now and they have like a big special or they have like a big show or they have something like you think oh man they're making they probably made five million dollars this year right that if you equate that to the time they've put in and spread it over their entire career that means their whole career they've made like four cents an hour because they made five million because they've worked so fucking much on that

it's not even funny yeah and at least maybe there's a payoff i don't know what the end game is in bodybuilding there can't be that right not that you're not going to get a sitcom you're not going to get like a big show or you're not going to get like some big thing that you can do on your own or some you're not going to do that you're not going to get movies you're not going to get you know unless you're like so good at bodybuilding that somebody sees you and is like, I need that guy in movies. In a movie. I don't give a fuck what he sounds like.

Like Arnold. But how often does that happen? Right. You know what I mean? Arnold is a very. But the opportunities that he had, he had to capitalize on one and go parlay into the next. We're not all Arnold.

Parlaying is brutal. We're not all Arnold. No. No. You're not going to parlay whatever you've got into the shit. No. That's what I mean. It doesn't happen. mean doesn't happen and and unlike comedy comedy once you have an audience and once you're funny and

you have you're established you have an audience you can do it till you die right you can drop we know comics are fucking 70 they're still touring around they still do it and they're so good and they're great and they love it nobody goes to see them because their audience is fucking dead and some some of them do have audiences, though, and they keep going around. You can do it forever, though, whereas bodybuilding, there's a ceiling there. You're not going to be 60 years old. I know there's senior bodybuilding, but they're not getting paid. Who the hell's watching that?

You're not making $100,000 to go pose with a bunch of other grandfathers. That's not a thing that's going on. Bringing the kids. On a bringer show? Is that a bringer show? It's a bringer show is that a bringer show bring your family yeah i gotta bring 10 bodybuilding fans i'm gonna sell 10 tickets that's what other thing comics do is they do bringer shows work their asses off for these clubs hustle for nothing because they make no money right because the electricity's got to

get paid for that mic that's what oh my god fuck everybody said, though, once he started winning contests and he's getting bigger and bigger, he just wanted more steroids, more steroids. Hey, if I take this much and I get this big, maybe I'll take more and get even bigger. It was great. He was also started. He started selling steroids because he needed to finance this lifestyle. It's expensive to, you know know work out 40 hours a week and buy eat the food you have to eat to do that too in addition to the steroids it costs money so you need some sort of income source here the protein's not not cheap no i know when you look

at foods yeah like the ones that have the high protein content that's the expense well it's expensive to eat eight chicken breasts a day. It's just expensive after a while. It adds up. It's just too much. It could be $1.49 a pound. Yeah, it's still... If you're eating 30 pounds of that. For breakfast, it's a lot.

It adds up. So, yeah, and the competitions cost money. You have to travel to them. There's entry fees and shit like that. So, it's not like they're getting put up with ticket sales. It's not a heaving crowd to go see bodybuilding, as Vince McMahon found out when he tried to start a bodybuilding company. Really?

You didn't know about that? Have we ever talked about that? Was he part of it? 91 or 90. No, he owned it. It was his idea. Did he do it, too? No, no, no, no, no.

He was already 40-something by then. But in 92, he did the WBC, the World Bodybuilding whatever the fuck. And it was, or WBF, I'm sorry. And it was world bodybuilding federation of course and he uh wbc is boxing and it he where he had bodybuilding bodybuilding tournaments on pay-per-view what the fuck is paying money to watch it how much is that was he trying to go at like 1999 it was like because that's what he was into yeah so he was like everyone must love it you look at the face so vascular as first pritchard always says like he said look at the vascularity

of it like you know he's obsessed with with men's bodies so gross so he had this like jimmy he's just he's just obsessed with adult men's bodies unlike jimmy so i like the 13 year old yeah you know the taught ones so his friend his friend ammons said about his new steroid selling competitive bodybuilding lifestyle yeah bieber's lifestyle he said quote we kind of took different roads i was working 50 60 hours a week and trying to fit the fit the gym in where he would you know he would go to the gym in the morning and in the afternoon. That was his whole life. And it shows in his personal life a little bit.

By 1990, he starts to show a pattern of scaring the shit out of his girlfriends. What? Yeah. Two different women by 1990 have sought restraining orders against him. Okay. Women he's been with, like his girlfriends. One, a woman named Virginia Boyes and her two daughters lodged a complaint that he had beaten all of them.

Oh, my God. The whole family. That's a 24-year-old man. A 24-year-old man. Just beating the shit out of the whole family. Jacked up, just beating up multiple women. Girlfriends with their kids, not his kids. With her kids, not his kids.

Two daughters. Right. I'm going to beat this woman up bad enough, and then those two little girls could use it, too. Those defenseless girls. Yeah, children. I'm into it. You know what? I'm going to whoop their asses, too.

So, you know. What are you looking at? What are you, a little bastard? You want it, too? You want some of this? What do you want, a little bit of the spice, huh? You want some pepper? I'll give it to you god damn it

so uh i don't know what would what would possess you to not only beat any woman right but then beat her children as well that aren't even yours right you shouldn't beat your children never mind anyone else's that's how not afraid of their dad he is yeah well yeah he's a fucking monster but still you gotta be like there's two girls there. Their dad is going to be doubly pissed. Yeah, until he sees me. Right. And then he's going to go, oh, God, did they deserve it?

They deserved it, right? Thank you. Jesus Christ. Hold on. I'm going to go get my shotgun. I really appreciate it. Yeah. And this lawsuit, though, she also sued him.

It was dropped after 12 days for some reason. 12 days. 12 days. Not sure why about that. And then another girlfriend named Michelle, who we'll talk about later, had another court order against him. That was a restraining order. And then there's another one here when he was in his early 20s where he dated a girl named April Fadley, who he dated when she was 16. And he was in his 20s that's disgusting that is

gross all righted up disgusting oh god pig fucking climbing all over some fucking teenager that's horrific climbing all over a sophomore this is fucking disgusting junior in this case probably that's so terrible uh you want it you want it to be worse? Yeah. She also said that he sexually assaulted her. Oh, my God. And on top of that, this is some weird Sally McNeil shit here. Remember Sally McNeil? Yeah. That her husband used to beat her up because her shoulders weren't developed enough.

She's 16. He used to punch and kick her and force her to run up and down the stairs carrying a rifle to keep fit. You know, like in the Marines. Like some sort of Marine punishment. Yeah. I feel like he's been punished a few times. You know what they'd make me do? So, yeah.

To keep fit. Wow. 16-year-old girl. First of all, a 16-year-old girl shouldn't be worried about any of that shit. Her fitness should be the last thing on her mind. However she feels good should be whatever. That psyche, there's enough shit to worry about when you're 16. She's got school to worry about.

School, everything else. Things going on in your body, hormones and everything. Every teenage kid is fucked up in the head like that. And he's got her with a rifle. Because she's not fit. Right. You need to be more fit. Can you imagine?

I'm going to punch and kick you to run up and down the stairs with a rifle. Can you imagine arming a child and making them run the stadiums at their school today? Here's a rifle. Pow. Yeah. It's fucking insane. It's nuts. I assume it wasn't loaded, probably.

Even still. Either way. You're arming a child. And she's running. This is crazy, dude. So apparently that she ended up getting a restraining order against him eventually. Also, she didn't get arrested. Both of them. Yeah. She's a minor This is crazy, dude. So apparently that she ended up getting a restraining order against him eventually. Also, she didn't get arrested. Both of them.

Yeah. She's a minor with a rifle and on a school. Wow. That's crazy. This is nuts. So, yeah, he's he's got some problems. This is a little it's showing his personality is quite aggressive. Let's just say now July of 1992.

He does something professionally big this is the only stat i have on him so this is you want sports here it is uh in july of 1992 he was crowned southeastern usa men's light heavyweight bodybuilding champion right that's all the sports he's got a golden golden man trophy in his house yeah he's got a muscly man trophy it's like looks gold but it's really plastic he's got one of those in his house a tall one though yeah it's taller than him because he won he did it man he was the most oily the most vascular and oily man here yay so 1993 is the uh time where he's dating a woman named michelle stanforth she'll later get a restraining order against him of course obviously one day in 1993 he showed up to her work and uh out of nowhere and threatened her telling him that if telling her tell i'm sorry telling michelle that if uh

if michelle ever left him she would be sorry at At work in front of other people. That shit couldn't wait until the end of the shift. I was just at home thinking. I was doing a set. I don't know what the fuck people do in the workout. I'm in the middle of my cycle. Doing a set right now, and I had this thought. And I was thinking, you might want to leave me someday. So I wanted to fucking dissuade you from that thought right now, even though I had it and not you.

Right. Wow. Showed up at her job all jacked up. He's probably all sweaty. Yeah. dissuade you from that thought right now even though i had it not you right i'm gonna wow showed up at her job all jacked up wow he's probably all sweaty yeah imagine everybody at the job like oh that's your boy he seems nice right a cut up shirt he seems great right pair of zubas on flaring out four feet and he's right ridiculous uh so she broke up with him after that and filed a restraining order against him thankfully here um and that's when police were also looking at all of the uh all of these different women that he had restraining order had restraining orders against him the 16 year old apparently

after they broke up and she got a restraining order and all that was over later on he then sexually assaulted her like after it was all over with wow i'm gonna go get some of that back i guess i don't know what his fucking thought process was there but was she still 16 no okay no it was like three years later oh my god so yeah it was all over with the whole i have a thought here oh my god so yeah he his his steroid use becomes so just blown out of proportion that and selling of steroids to finance his lifestyle. He wasn't arrested for that, was he? What? Steroids?

No, no, no. It was an assault of her. No, he wasn't. No, because she just saw him out of nowhere and he does whatever he does to her. Yeah. And she is not going to report that because she is fucking horrified. She can't believe she just saw him in the first place. Yeah.

She wants to keep the storm at bay. Absolutely. and he's a crazy storm and she knows it obviously yeah and that's scary oh my god yeah be that scared of someone uh but his steroid dealing and use becomes so out of hand that the lee county sheriff's department starts keeping an eye on him they know they know and they believe he's in the you know involved in distribution of steroids and other drugs so they're like okay let's let's let's talk about this guy because it's not just steroids that these bodybuilders take too it's the hardcore ones there's a whole bunch of other just tertiary shit around it that is it requires that is yeah it's it's there's a Chris Adams. We talked about it a lot. The GHB is right. They take that for recovery.

They take that's not good. No, there's another thing being in possession of that is also very illegal horrifying. And there's also like a heroin derivative that we'll talk about, too. That's for recovery that they take. It's also highly illegal. So a lot of times people that sell steroids will sell all of the other shit, too. And you can get one big package there. All of's very illegal that was what i'm getting at here so uh one officer ks sergeant dean tabor came uh in contact with bieber here at one point and he

said my impression of him was that he thought i am better than you you're not going to catch me he was that type of person he thought he was better than everyone else of course it's the type of guy he is and you know what what in his life would make him think otherwise everything's gone well he does what he wants he acts like an asshole he punches a guy in the marines he just gets dishonorably discharged who cares better than the marines i can punch them yeah and they want nothing to do with me who cares i can just leave these women am i in jail for doing all that shit to them no i can make a teenager run up and down the stairs forcefully while i punch and kick her because i don't think she's in shape enough that's fine i can take

whatever sexual pleasure from her i want yeah it's fine nobody does shit i'm allowed i'm that guy so that's and i think the cop hit it right on the head uh he becomes friends with the fellow weightlifter a german-born guy named marcus muller or um i guess yeah muller is how you'd say it here uh marcus muller marcus with a k by the way because he's from germany yeah uh he he's also selling steroids and the department's also keeping an eye on him this marcus Marcus Miller was like, he did like some semi-pro football. And he was in a couple of like half-assed direct-to-video B-movies as like thug number eight. You know what I mean? Like he was trying to become an actor because he was just a big jacked up German guy.

So he's like, I'm going to be Dolph Lundgren or whatever the fuck. I don't know. Whatever. Somebody like that. Action guy that's jacked up that doesn't speak very well of English. Yeah, I'm going to be him. I'm going to be Jean-Cundgren or whatever the fuck. I don't know. Whatever. Somebody like that. Action guy that's jacked up that doesn't speak very well of English. Yeah, I'm going to be him. I'm going to be Jean-Claude Van fucking dipshit. I'm going to be all these people here.

I'll be Sylvester Stallone. He's from America. He still has to speak English. Jean-Claude speaks better. Oh, much better. Jean-Claude's English is phenomenal compared to Stallone. It's incredible. Yeah.

You ever hear Stallone in an actual interview? It's gross. It's hilarious because... No, no, no. In an interview, he enunciates and it's funny it's hilarious because no no in an interview he enunciates and it's funny he tries so hard he's like let me tell you something right he's very like but he really like um there's one thing that i need to tell he's like i don't really talk i'm just acting when i put that accent on that's how good i am we know better listen chief yeah we get

it so i gandolfini did that too even though gandolfini actually didn't have a heavy accent but gandolfini he just looked like he should talk like tony soprano like you're too fat and italian to talk any other way i'm sorry i'm sorry you have to talk like that man in the mexican that was good my favorite actor yeah he does great at it but you're still going come on he's gonna he's gonna whip like a prosciutto and mozzarella sandwich out of his pocket and start eating it at any point it's fucking delicious i'm sorry i can't put this i can't put up this uh front anymore but him as a gay guy yeah you expect it to be like i do like your balls but you know

what other kind of balls i like these are meat balls. All right, let's eat them. So Jesus Christ, they start hanging out. Marcus and Bieber start hanging out and her brother, Nancy. That's Marcus's brother, his brother. I should her his sister, Nancy. Right. I've reversed the genders both times. Yes.

She said he was probably the coolest brother you could ever imagine. I could stay over at his place at night and watch scary movies. He was always funny and happy. I've never seen a sad side of him. Marcus. Marcus. Marcus is a different type of dude. Yeah, he's a happy-go-lucky guy. Except kind of a thug.

Well, yeah. I mean, he's selling steroids. He's trying to finance his lifestyle because he needs to have that look to try to be an actor. His whole life depends on him being all jacked up as we've talked to all of these bodybuilders do um but he he was the fact that he is german and from germany gives him a distinct advantage in the steroid importation market in europe because he knows people there so he's importing steroids from his native country and then all over europe and doing shit like that.

We're kind of American people don't really have that access. Now, October of 1994, Marcus Muller and his girlfriend, who will come up big time again here, Danielle LaBelle, were arrested on steroid charges, both of them on distributing. Danielle was just as into steroids as he was and into fitness. She's a jacked up chick. She's like our, you know, who was the one? Kelly Ryan, the fitness model. She's like that with Craig Titus. Titus, that's right.

Yeah, so she's arrested. They end up pleading guilty for the steroid distribution and, you know, getting some sort of reduced thing out of it. Thing is, David Bieber was also part of this whole steroid distribution operation. But he's not caught. He's not caught, though. No, they get arrested and they take the hit and they don't rat everybody out. Because he's better than you.

He's better than you. That's right. You can't catch him. You can't catch him. No. You can't get him. He's got a friend, John Saladino, who's his roommate there. And John Saladino, who was David Bieber's roommate at the time, he says, quote, he would come down from Germany.

That was like his main one of his main sources of getting it. That was the steroids. He said that Bieber eventually, though, wanted to he wanted to have more control over this business because he was kind of working for Marcus because Marcus was the guy importing it back to the wire it's kind of like on the wire when marlo's going to get he wants to the contact of the greek because he wants to get the big coke import without having to deal with proposition joe and he pushes and pushes and pushes and eventually he does you want to be in control of the goddamn thing you don't want anybody else to control your supply then you're you know you're beholden to them that's like a pimp and hookers you don't want to have to give that man your money. Exactly. It's my hard work.

This is my ass. So, yeah, the Saladino said, quote, he got into a couple of arguments with Marcus Mueller over the steroids. This is Bieber did. And the other thing that they were kind of feuding about was not only did David david want to control marcus's steroid business he also wanted danielle marcus's girlfriend he also really was longing for her and he wants to steal a supply and yeah he's like i just want to like take my whole thing and jimmy meant that in a way that he would say that by the way because someone's going to go he's calling women gash and that's no that's not what jimmy's saying it means the actual gas yeah that's all he wants because he's a piece of

garbage yeah exactly that's what i mean character it's all in character you fucking animals people there's some things okay end of the show i'm doing it at the end of the show so stay tuned so they end up uh starting a little affair up, Danielle and David. Yeah. So they start an alliterative affair, the two of them with their two names here. And after a little while, they, you know, they're together, but they seem like they say that they're in love and shit even though she's with marcus and uh ammons the friend from high school he's still hanging out with bieber at this point once in a while he said i could just tell her heart wasn't in the right place you know i hear all these stories about how she was so in love with marcus and uh yeah and she says danielle

for her part i was seeing both marcus and david oh my god i loved marcus but david was fun to hang out with yeah so he fucks better great that's what that means yeah he's very confident as we know yeah he's better than everybody else better than everybody that's what it is my cock is better than others cocks that's how it works here but marcus has a has an end game with his with his uh steroid empire yeah that's that's still what ends up happening so they're they're both with her and so this is a couple of jacked up dudes fighting over a woman and business no not for a while here they do uh he does find out though on uh he finds out on february 3rd 1995 because david and danielle get married oh boy oh boy he finds out fast then oh my god

oh boy hold on a minute here wait a second could you come home i can't i'm at my husband's house i can't i'm just about to walk down the aisle like do you hear that do you hear that in the background My dad's about to give me away. You hear the harps? They're playing harps now. I have to leave. I'm sorry. Come on.

I can't. Are you? That's dad. Wait. I know you put a tuxedo on for this. Just wait one minute. That's how he found out because they got married. We won't start till grandma's here. That is that's yeah that's terrible here uh awful stuff that they that they do uh

good for a business relationship or no and it gets even weirder i'm starting to think this danielle may might not know what she wants um she within five well not within five days later she goes back to marcus oh my god five days after the wedding married married yeah i'm gonna marry this i'm gonna go back to him five days later so now she's married to the other has been a crazy week baby but i am back home i know my last name's different it's gotten crazy super weird right it's the craziest week i've ever had strange i gotta go to dmv and change that but besides that my god so uh february of 1995 still they got married on the third february 9th 1995 marcus muller um is home by himself and uh he uh there's a knock at the door he goes to the door and he shot three times three times right in his doorstep

once in the head twice in the body yeah that's it he said he came out he's like fucking manly again i told him i don't want those curtains dexter oh shit he was hoping it was vince mcmahon go look at him but it wasn't for the last time no overall no i'm not wearing overalls you pervert i'm already oiled up what do you want from me uh no he's shot once in the head twice in the body falls down on his doorstep and dies right there in his own doorway okay an unknown gunman here uh so uh danielle is the one who finds marcus's body because you know she lives there and she immediately said quote david could have done this okay i mean yeah i mean yeah anybody could have done it really but i mean you didn't have to say that for us to lean on that as the first fucking suspect so so what's

your name miss so let me get this straight you married a psychopathic, you know, steroid, just stuffed bodybuilder with multiple female restraining orders against him like five days ago and then went back to his drug rivals house after that. Hmm. I don't know any motive here. Hey, Bob, can you find a motive in this? I'm not sure. This would be the worst police ever to sit there and go this is a baffler it's a head scratcher it's a real whodunit i'll tell you what johnson it's a real whodunit i don't know what the fuck to do here this is a pick it's like a full house of motives pick a motive any

motive here you go shot hmm you're his girlfriend and no robbery yeah that that's weird maybe we should ask your husband if he's got any ideas how long he's been married five days oh you wouldn't have any idea weird right so uh he has no clue then he's not been around this long enough no so jesus christ so the detective in this is detective barry fudge which is just a god-awful poor name he's gonna fuck it all up fudge f-u-t-c-h uh he said it was a little afternoon when i heard probably noontime we had a person shot i approached the front door and there laid this huge man when i say huge i'm talking about a man that was muscles this guy was gigantic he was fucking huge he was fucking enormous this guy was a fucking monster i swear to god i'm happy he was dead actually because

otherwise i'm afraid he'd pin me down and fudge me right up the ass you know what i mean you know what i mean bob right look at him he's got it in his eyes i can see it this is fudged up this is all fudged up now so he tried not to fudge up the investigation as much as possible here so uh the the body was found by danielle like we said she was the one who called 911. And the weird thing is when she pulled up to the house to find the body because she wasn't inside. She pulled up. David Bieber was the one that drove her there.

Oh, drove her to her house. Yeah. She said, yeah. Fudge here says, quote, he had brought Danielle LaBelle, his new wife, over because she had forgotten to get her purse from marcus's house fudge said that uh that was you know they found marcus in the doorway they asked what was bieber's attitude like when he talked to the detective obviously because he had to stay and wait for the detectives to get there detective said that he was quote just nonchalant like just like nothing was going on this is a whole. We've nailed this guy.

Just like, I don't know. Things are pretty good. It's weird that the breeze is only around me and in my hair. The rest of you guys look hot and sweaty, but there's a breeze that's blowing my stuff in a very windswept, attractive way, right? Right? He's not interested in this at all, so it clearly wasn't him. I mean, obviously. He doesn't give a shit.

This is crazy. He doesn't know jack fucking shit he did seem like he was concealing something uh the detective also says um he says that he was very suspicious of bieber in this whole thing he said a quote fucking captain you can't get any more obvious than this shit he we said it he had two reasons for knocking marcus off one was a steroid business and two was Danielle. So he just decided to get rid of him. And then he would have the girl and he would have the drugs. And I

told him that day, quote, you know you're involved in this and we're going to prove it. I don't have the evidence right now. We're going to prove it, mister. I'm going to do my best. Listen here, mister. So he said I'm going to fucking get you. He pushed his windswept hair out of his eyes and said, you go for it, pal. Don't fudge it up, buddy.

So, yeah. So, you know, obviously, Marcus had people that liked him. His sister, Nancy, said, quote, it was very important for me to let the police know that there's a family who cares. And it's important for me to let the police know that there's a family who cares, and it's important for us to find out what happened. So the family's making sure that they don't just treat this like, oh, drug dealer got killed. Fuck him. Roll him off to the side. She wants them to know that people give a shit about the guy here.

They had one suspect, and that's David Bieber, who they're looking at. The detective said he became suspicious obviously about the wife and the whole thing and uh when he found out they were both they were selling steroids together now he was like oh well that's kind of a thing yeah he said a woman that's something but now when you add money into it too it's like oh money money and a woman i mean you'll fucking do anything for that you know what i'm saying he said quote we found out that marcus muller dealt in steroids and as a matter of fact that he probably had thousands of dollars worth of steroids in the house which were missing we figured david took

him uh and uh his he said i on when danielle called 9-1-1 she said on the call quote i think dave shot him so there's a lot of evidence she's already turning on him pretty sure dave shot i mean marcus is dead at this point cover for dave fuck it you're married to him jesus christ uh you can't get him back danielle that's what i mean he's like well let's cross off the list i guess so a few weeks later she ran into bobby ammons and said something too but ammons said quote i, I ran into Danielle and David shortly after Marcus was killed at a club. And this Danielle girl says, you're old friends with my husband, Dave.

And I said, yeah, she goes, did you know that he killed my ex-boyfriend? She said this to me. That's what Ammons said. Like, that's how she's introducing him to people. Like, do you remember my boyfriend? Yeah. Have you met my aunt? Aunt Kathy, please. This is my boyfriend, Yeah. Have you met my aunt? Aunt Kathy.

Please. This is my boyfriend, David. Have you met him? Did you know he killed my ex-boyfriend? It's wonderful. The real sweetheart. And he sells steroids? Wonderful.

Oh, no. Many restraining orders. Absolutely. Oh, no. That girl, he sexually assaulted her. I know she deserved it. No. That's not what happens there.

This is unbelievable. Yeah. Did you know? So, Ammons laughed it off. No, that's how it happens there. This is unbelievable. Yeah. Did you know? So Ammons laughed it off like, okay, why would she say this in a club if that was true? Psycho. And Bieber had an alibi of the night of the murder. Witnesses saw him at the club the night that Mueller was killed and during the time that this was going on.

He never left the club. He was there the whole night. So they're like, well, how the fuck did he he do it that's how it's going on there so but i mean it's 1995 as it goes on it's there's very suspicious uh old fudgy boy says quote in the midst of this there's another incident that happened in the city of fort myers and that was where a guy walked up to a girl who was taking some trash out and shot at her five times oh my god the girl ended up to be david bieber's out and shot at her five times oh my god the girl ended up to be david bieber's ex-girlfriend oh that's weird uh it's strange right uh yeah it was

michelle stanforth the one who he showed up at her job yeah said you'll be sorry that one yeah uh shot at five times while she was taking her garbage at out not a scratch oh this lucky woman fucking five shots like pulp fiction style and looking at herself like did i have none of those fucking hit me are you that terrible of a shot which makes me think that somebody with a sharpshooter ranking or sharpshooter qualification probably wouldn't miss somebody five times unless there's a pistol oh it depends on where it was maybe yeah i feel like and how jacked up from the gym he was that's also yeah who knows here but who knows but they find out that she had a stormy because at first they were you know they didn't say do you

know this bieber guy they were just taking her thing and she said do you know anybody who could possibly and she said the only person who's ever threatened me is my ex-boyfriend this guy they went that guy holy shit oh blah blah blah and it all kind of went from there uh so yeah she had when she on the restraining order she sought against him originally, she claimed that he attacked her and told her, quote, you'll be sorry. So that's how that worked. Now, 1995, detectives get a tip from an informant. And we never find out who this informant is.

This informant says that there's a guy named David Snipes, who was a 17-year-old kid, who was involved in a murder-for-hire scheme that he knows of. Wesley's brother. Yes, Wesley's little brother. He's trying to get Wesley out of tax trouble by doing as many murder-for-hire schemes as he can. He's out of Passenger 57 money. We got to help him. He's doing movies with Gary Busey.

Fucking help him. Jesus Christ. He's fucking not even in the theaters, man. Jesus. You heard of this? This bullshit skydiving? It's a $5 Walmart bin. He's desperate. Desperate.

So he's a 17-year-old kid. First of all, never, what was our rule? Never have a teenager in your hit squad. Yeah, never. Ever. They are always the weak link guess who they find 17 year old david snipes bring him in for questioning and uh fudge says quote in the midst of the conversation with david snipes that night he admitted to

shooting the girl and he told me that night quote i thought i'd killed her oh boy the michelle stanforth girl i thought i got she's alive damn five shots thought i got her mr i'm terrible jesus uh then at that point because they're just they're they're grilling him for the stanforth shooting that's what they're interested in the michelle stanforth thing and then fudge says teenager in your hit squad everybody yeah out of the blue fudge says that out of nowhere he just confessed to killing marcus muller as well he's yeah this uh fudge says quote he went into the whole details of how he drove how he got to marcus's front door knocked on the door marcus came to the door marcus opened it and he shot him thank god because i was stuck right there i had no

idea who did it super weird and he made sure he was dead and shot him again so yeah he did it uh snipes admitted he was hired for 1250 to kill to kill Michelle Stanforth and $1,000 to kill Marcus Muller. $1,000 he's going to kill somebody for. $2,250 to kill two people. Two people. That's bonkers. That is cheap.

That's dirt cheap. Yeah. That's dirt cheap. That's what you're going to get, a bad job. Yeah. That's what that is. You're going to get a life sentence. A teenager who fucking tells on you as soon as the

cops look at him wrong that's what you're gonna get for that money for 22 50 if you pay proper money you're gonna get proper results that's the thing you think you can get two hits done for a tax return get the fuck out of here no not gonna happen no way no way this is not gonna work you can't even buy a used car for that for christ Christ's sake. Two dead people. So, yeah. What do you always say, James? Which what? If you can afford it, it's not real. You're going to get caught.

You're going to get caught. It's either a cop or it's somebody that can't do it. If you haven't known that person for 20 years and known them to do hits for hire successfully for 20 years, and then they quote you an exorbitant price, unless that's the case, it's all a setup and you're going to get arrested. Or it's not a setup and you're just hiring a moron to do something they're not capable of doing properly.

Either one. You get what you pay for. If you're going to redo your kitchen, get a bunch of bids. If one of the bids is an eighth of the price of the others, that guy probably sucks. He's probably not good at his job. Or he's just going to take your money. You're never going to see cabinets or that guy.

Nothing. He's not capable of doing that for that money. That's the point. That's what we have here. That's why. A bad contractor. If you can afford it, it's not right. Not right.

So Snipes also informs the cops. My favorite thing ever. It's fucking perfect so they say you shot muller and stanforth there's only one connector there and that's bieber right interesting and then they said well how the hell did you get in touch with how you 17 years old how does this line cross how does this line cross and he said that he was hired by a guy named john saladino to kill these people who was david was David Bieber's roommate. And that's what they find out when they go talk to him. He says, you know a guy named David Bieber? Hey, he's my roommate. They're like,

okay, this is all falling. Sleeps on the other side of the drywall. Falling right into place. Saladino admitted that Bieber hired him to kill Michelle Stanforth and Marcus Muller. He also admitted that Bieber put a hit on the lead homicide detective of the Muller case and the stand of the uh muller

case and the detective's two sons oh my god the children of detectives even okay even the fucking mafia yeah doesn't go after homicide detectives they never that's again no better crossing the line it's crossing the fucking line for them it's all in the game that'll get you caught and that'll get you a caught that'll get you the heat of the entire everybody everybody will be on you at that point and then when they find you you might not make it to the police station so that's how that works you don't it's crazy so this is wow two sons too a police officer's children that's this is what steroids does to your head that's unheard of shit that's fucking scarface wouldn't even do that.

Remember? Yeah. Yeah. Even that was beneath him. Come on now. That's crazy. So they end up at this point. They have enough.

Police obtain a warrant to obtain Bieber to bring him in. To obtain him on first degree murder charges. They go to pick him up and he's not around no can't find him he vanishes gone gone up in smoke that enormous man enormous giant guy disappears wow disappears nationwide manhunt for him not just florida anything like that um yeah it's in the 90s in the 90s this is going on absolutely um fudge says quote we didn't think we had enough evidence to arrest david bieber we didn't think we had probable we did think we had probable cause to arrest saladino and then saladino told

us everything and we went oh all right never mind we don't need you we'll arrest everybody uh so yeah they went when they got saladino they said uh fudge said so we went to the apartment and knocked on the door and eventually john opened the door john saladino and i said hey john i need you to go downtown with me and we need to talk and david was in the background going you don't have to go john you don't have to go oh boy but he came with us i started talking to him and i told him what david snipes had said and then he was like well since it's i'm not taking this on my own yeah so i'll put it on him i guess probably swimming right now anyway fuck it yeah saladino said when he asked me to

find someone to kill marcus muller i says why do you want to do that i love that i says and he's like i have my reasons david bieber gave me it was one thousand dollars and his address marcus muller lived in haciienda Village in Bonita Springs. And I asked David Snipes if he was willing to do it, and he said he would. So very, very simple here. So yeah, enough, obviously, to arrest him. That is unbelievable. Yeah.

So Futch says, quote, so I called him on his cell phone. I said, why don't you come on in and see me and talk to me? We need to straighten this up. He's talking about Bieber. And he uh and he goes well i tell you what let me call my attorney and i'll get back to you that's the last phrase i ever heard from david bieber david just disappeared and he does months go by wow uh his family and friends are put under constant surveilling surveillance to see if he shows up i mean mean, his phone records, they go over. They tried to monitor his travel.

They go to everywhere he's ever been. Every gym, every bar, everything. There's cops hanging out everywhere. And they find nothing. Years. What? Years go by. He disappears for eight years.

How do you get? Well, I know where he is. We know where he is. The cops don't. But me and you do right now, Jimmy. We do. They also, one cop says, we obtained a Tennessee driver's license in his name, that he was there for a minute. They said that the investigator says he believes that Bieber only used his own name to mislead

investigators to focus their search on Tennessee. Well, he went somewhere else. He had a plan here because he wasn't in Tennessee. somewhere else he had a plan here because he wasn't in tennessee so uh they noticed that also uh they they do get different uh tips about him and that his appearance is different a lot they're finding out they're figuring that he's changing his changes his hair uh he's kind of stopped being on steroids and working out all the time so now he's getting he's getting fat he's like fat with different hair so he looks totally different here. Yeah. So they believe that he was probably off the steroids because he's on the run.

He doesn't really have time to work out all that much. Also, it's hard to find those when you go from town to town. On the run. Yeah. He would show up in Gatlinburg, Tennessee going, where's the steroid dealer? I'm like, huh? What now? You're not from around here, are you, boy?

Y'all like hot chicken? What? So, yeah, he was going the complete opposite of all of this though he's not doing uh he's not hiding under his own name hanging out uh what he ends up doing is well hold on one sec let's talk about snipes and uh these guys first here what happens to them saladino is found guilty of second degree murder. We'll talk about his sentence in a minute here. And David Snipes is convicted of first degree murder. There you go.

And we'll talk about that. Now, when they're arrested, like I said, they give it all up. When they go to Bieber's home in Florida, they also find a bunch of good evidence of steroid sales and all that sort of thing. The Lee County Sheriff here says, quote, it was a lover's triangle, but it was also about drug dealing and the money and the turf. No shit. So September 26th, 1996. Okay. What he does is in Atlanta, he goes around the cemetery and finds a brilliant finds a child yeah oh this child's headstone who died in

1975 at the age of six and he steals his identity yeah that's what he does he's genius but horrible yeah it's from the jackal and the jackal they did that it's a book about the kids yeah he did it well yeah that's somebody who has no history right they have no anything that you could look up so it's it works it's a it's a person that you can set you can just take their date of birth you look for someone who's around your age and they take their date of birth he found this kid was born in the same year he was and he said i'm that guy now 75 he was born in 66 yeah so he's close by seven eight yeah seven to nine years yeah you can pass for that yeah yeah i'm 33 no no you're 35 no one's gonna say that yeah it's so but you can pass for that and you can just pretend you're that kid.

I grew up in Atlanta. That's where I'm from. Whatever records he had growing up, that's you, and you plug it right in. Wow. So back then, you could do it. Pre-all everything computerized, you could do that so fucking easily. That's crazy. He bought the secondary birth certificate from it, like a new copy, and got a passport made.

Once you have a passport, you're that fucking person. You can go anywhere. That is legal ID id right there anybody that was accepted by anybody anywhere so that's it you're that person officially now it was that fucking easy to do it all you had to do is find a name get the birth certificate from the state order it and then go get a passport done wow crazy anybody could change their identity that's why people used to fake their debts all the time because you could do it so fucking easily before everything here. So what he ends up doing is, and I'm talking September 26th, 96th. He's all over America's Most Wanted.

Mugshot all over America's Most Wanted. Everywhere. It doesn't look like that. Doesn't look like that's the other thing. He's going and he's going by a different identity that they don't know. They don't even know he's going by this other identity different name uh he's going by nathan wayne coleman at this point uh hello guys dad different yeah poor nathan wayne he died he died he was a child who died in 1975 oh he was okay died in 75 yeah yeah the guy was the kid died in 75 so he i

think he was the kid was born in 67 or 68. So same age. Yeah, same age. So what Bieber does is he takes his new look and his new name and his new credentials, and he goes to the UK, goes to England. He says, fuck this. I'm getting out of here. He enters the UK on September 26, 1996, through the port of Ramsgate, Kent using the false passport. They let him right in. He's given a six-month visa,

so he's there for a while. He's going to have to leave soon. He gets to 17 days left in his visa to where he's going to have to leave, and he is able to extend it because he gets married. By the way, he's already married. That took him five months to get married.

Yeah, he's still married, by the way. Bigamy is the least of his concerns. A different guy's married. That's true. Not Nathan Wayne. That's true. Nathan Wayne is single as fuck. Nathan Wayne is out,

big swinging dick out in the world, ready to fudge everything that moves. Fudging all of England. That's it. So, yeah. So, he meets Denise. Took him five months. Those English chicks are into it.

Five months, not bad. This is like- That's what an American accent in the UK in the 90s will get you. It's like the 90-day fiance. These people come over here and it's three months. Yeah. Hooking up. What's doing?

And you're like, you're out of your fucking minds, people. What are you doing? 90 days to get married? I don't understand, too. Why do they do all that? Why don't they just go to that person's country and get married, and then they can come here without the visa? Yeah, that's my person now. Here's my visa, and it works.

I don't have to deal with any of this bullshit. K-1 bullshit and all that. Not to be on TV. Fuck it. Maybe that's why. They should pay for some of that. There's the allure of that, yeah. Pay for something.

I don't know. So, yeah. So, he's... Jesus Christ. So, March so march not bad for him march 97 he marries uh denise horsley uh horsley wow horsley uh-huh h-o-r-s-l-e-y horse with an l and a y did you say your name's horsley i am into you girl you're sounding good i'm nathan wayne you're sounding good sounding good i'm nathan way're sounding good? Sounding good. I'm Nathan Wayne. So, yeah, they look, now, in Florida, his name is all over all the computer systems, whereas if you, and in 96, there's still computers, but you could do it still so much easier than

now. This is pre-9-11, so everything is, there's no homeland, pre-9-11, no homeland security, everything interconnected now shit's still spotty computer wise so um they're not green screens but they're not exactly exactly exactly so uh uh yeah so it basically if he showed up with his regular identification in the uk they would have fucking picked him up and sent him back and he was arrested done right done but instead catch me if you can yeah exactly so denise is a divorced mother of two young children as well two young sons um they get married before the visa expires and uh she doesn't know he's still married in

florida obviously she doesn't even know his name that's what i'm saying apparently she's very very muscular as well oh she's also super into working out. And everyone around calls them Mr. and Mrs. Hulk. Very creative. So he's not laying very low. No, no. No, he's just going under an assumed name. I'm fucking Nathan now. I don't know what you're talking about.

David who? David what? He's in another country. Did you say Beaver? Justin? Yeah, he's not going to run into Futch down at the subway or anything. Like, I came to get a six-inch turkey and ran into old fudgy over here so uh yeah they're married uh it's just marriage isn't really it doesn't go very well for a long time here he he lives out of a suitcase the whole

time they're married and never unpacks like he's he's like us when we're laying on the road for two days oh i'm in indianapolis for day. I'm just done zipping this bitch. He is absolutely like Leonardo DiCaprio. Catch me if you can. He's got like a suitcase full of cash and ready to go. That's exactly what he's got there. So never unpacks. She said his behavior made her suspicious.

This is interesting. Suspicious. He insisted no photographs be taken at their wedding try that what are you kanye west how the fuck did you pull that off go tell a woman that yes i'll marry you yes we'll have a big wedding we'll have people oh no your mom can definitely come oh your grandma's gonna look beautiful in that shade of blue no photos no fucking pictures are she will stab you in the throat with the closest sharp object without even thinking about it no well i'm sorry i just you said no pictures no photos of my wedding my brain

i don't know what happened it just snap in mind there will be photos yeah um also in addition to no photos allowed at the wedding which is the weirdest thing i've ever heard he also kept a lot of his belongings in a locked case that he had don't even look at my stuff don't look at my suitcase in a locked case uh eventually she pries it open yeah she's just too curious yeah and finds a finds a you know an id card with somebody else's name part certificate his face uh several syringes and uh with brown shit in it she believed to be something that you inject in she wasn't a steroid user she just liked to work out um also huge bunch of u.s dollars in there also

okay weird weird thing to have in here uh she asked her brother to check out his name on the internet and um you know just nothing came up because he's using coleman that's what they're looking up that she found found all his documents for coleman so she's like look it up maybe he's you know no history no no i don't know other than dying in 1975 from childhood leukemia or something i think you know so 1997 is sentencing for the two guys who are going to take the hit for this Mueller deal here. David Snipes, boy, you, sir, may fuck off. He's sentenced to death. Oh, my God. Death.

This is Florida, Chief. Oh, Jesus. He's sentenced to the electric chair at 17. Holy shit. So that's hard fucking core. Yeah, he gets the death penalty for this. I mean, I don't, I'm not opposed. This is crazy.

No, but this, I don't know. This fucking kid's an idiot. The kid agreed to murder two people for $22.50? I don't think I'm not opposed. This is crazy. No, but this, I don't know. This fucking kid's an idiot. I'm not opposed. The kid agreed to murder two people for $22.50? I don't think we need that guy. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just 17 years old as young. 17 and walking up to a doorstep and shooting a guy in the face? Yeah, it's just, I mean, there's a lot of seven. We don't need that guy.

That's a cold kid, man. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. That's a cold motherfucker. 17 is not an adult at all. No, it's kid, man. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. That's a cold motherfucker. 17 is not an adult at all. No, it's true, but. When you were 17.

I would never want to. I wouldn't do that either. But I would do a lot of shit I wouldn't do now is what I'm getting at. Yeah, but that is fucking insane. You don't know. Yeah, I don't know what to say about that. That's just wild. I don't know his circumstances of what he needed that 2250 for.

Who the fuck knows? I don't know. I have no idea. 2250, james that's what i mean how's his whole life away how desperate is your life if you'll kill two people for 2250 yeah so i get that in it where it's like i don't like that yeah so i don't know and i i don't know i just i don't know florida never gets it right that's the other thing they don't really concentrate on the details much down there so that bothers me a little bit i mean say what we want about florida they did get bundy nobody else that's true that's true saladino uh is like we said convicted of a second degree murder

and he is uh you sir may fuck off gets 15 years uh steve so yeah he's out by now though i mean christ that's for murder for hire yeah he facilitated its conspiracy to commit murder how do you give that to that guy but then kill the other guy he made he made a deal i made a deal about oh it's crazy that's too lenient and that might be too harsh yeah that's what i'm saying yeah fuck it life for both of them yeah toss them in the same cell together i don't't give a shit. And give one maybe possibility of parole. Something. So in 98, Bieber ends up in Yorkshire over there.

He's in Yorkshire where he works. I'll give you a joke. What do you think he would do as a normal job? Bricklayer. Come on. Bouncer. Oh. He's a fucking bouncer.

Really? That's what he did? He's a big jacked up bouncer. Yeah. I assumed using his body. Something. Doing something. And he also needs to

build up a shitload of firearms at this point which is not easy to come by in england to build up a shitload of illegal firearms so what he did is he went down to the spartan body works gym in barnsley every other day and he would exercise for three to four hours a day on the weight machines and all this type of shit him and all the other bouncers a pack of bouncers going down there working out uh one of the other doormen here christopher motherby he worked their last name mother and he's a big jacked up i'm christopher motherby you're like really you're a mother something uh he used to work out there he was the one he helped supply bieber with vitamins and protein powers powders and shit like that also sold him a bulletproof vest for 100 pounds 100 pounds 100 pounds that's

a pretty cheap bulletproof vest uh i guess bieber was also a uh a regular at the rails gym in leeds where the manager said he used to go three times a week paying three dollars three pounds a session there and uh said that he was basically, that this guy, the rail guy, the manager of the gym, said he was shocked when Bieber approached him and asked if he knew anyone who would sell him a gun. He's like, that was a surprising thing just from some guy at the gym, but surprisingly enough, he did have a connection. That is a weird question, sir.

As a matter of fact. Got a couple. As a matter of fact, we both went there. But yeah, as a matter of fact, he did have a connection. And he said, you know what? Fine, I'll introduce you to him. He'll be here in a couple minutes. You relax, lift some weights.

So he's pumping. He's like, you know what? I really got to get a good pump on. He's getting these real veins are popping. He's getting himself sweaty. Sure. And then all of a sudden bursting through the door it's vince mcmahon ceo and whatever the fuck of world wrestling entertainment chairman there you go and he says How is it you've come to arrive here? You beautiful bastard. Look at you.

Oh, my God. Look at him. Look at you. You want guns? You got them right there hanging off your shoulders, pal. I'll tell you what. Look at you. It's a gun show in here.

It's a gun show in here. You're something special. The vascularity that you're showing me right now. This is amazing. Oh, you're already oily. Look at you. It's a gun show in here. It's a gun show in here. You're something special. The vascularity that you're showing me right now. This is amazing. Oh, you're already oily. Look at you. I'd tell you to take your shirt off, but it's already off. How many shirts do you own, pal?

None? I own no shirts. I knew it. I love it. Tell you what you're going to do for me. Put these overalls on. I want to see what you look like in these overalls. You're from Fort Myers?

Oh my god. He's perfect. He loves steroids. He's from Florida and he looks amazing in overalls and he doesn't even own a shirt. You're hired. Poof. And a poof of

needles and 1099s. He's gone. And Bieber's like, shit, I'ms. He's gone. And Bieber's like, shit, I'm interested. Yeah. He was interested. Come back. I need a job.

Please. Please. Come back. The hot hillbilly. Yeah. Now, is it this time that his wife files

for divorce from him? Not Danielle in America. The first one. No, not American Danielle. English Denise. The Horsley. Horsley. Yeah.

Files for divorce. And they're only married for a year when she files, making it two years short of the period necessary to get full British citizenship. Oh. But long enough to secure him a registration card to work. So he gets long enough so he can work there, but not long enough to be him a registration card to work. So he gets long enough so he can work there, but not long enough to be like a full-fledged citizen. So that's how that works here.

So he uses the card to continue to work as a doorman here and also looking for new markets to traffic steroids, other drugs, and everything else. It only takes three years of marriage? Three years in full citizenship no different here i think it i think it's right away i think it's well here you get a green card you have to apply for and then you can work and shit like that and then you have to once you have a green card i think you can be you know take the test i think you have to still go through all the

citizenship too yeah it's a real rigmarole to fucking be a citizen here dude it's it's a pain in the ass really it's a huge pain in the ass i thought it was just like marion the ass a lot of places yeah it should be yeah i guess i mean that's far too easy for people that have interest of doing other shit yeah well yeah i mean if they're not up to anything else right you care right but i mean to marry somebody just to get into that country is uh yeah yeah then you're all of a sudden uh danger i mean it seems like you're you're a danger already i guess you're in the country working hard yeah you're really you're really putting in the effort if you lied to get what you wanted and succeeded that's the american way is it not you belong here yeah sorry but at that

point you're gonna fit in just fucking fine pal see you on voting day enjoy there you go yeah see you in november asshole so uh 1999 david snipes our 17 year old uh death penalty person uh has his sentence reduced to life in prison without parole uh because he was under 18 and so they do it from that yeah some things they didn't know the supreme court there was a supreme court judgment in that time period too now in 2000 by the time 2000 comes around i dm you guys are right you're right our bad jesus christ 17 oh christ i was at least. I don't know. I was about to strap him in with Jare. I'm glad you told me. Christ almighty.

We had that thing all fucking warmed up for him. We did. So, now, in 2000, he actually has, Bieber has a run-in with the police in Leeds, with the British police. But it's on the other side of it. He reports a man for harassing him after a fight in the pub he was working in. So I guess the guy was coming back, breaking his balls at the bouncer. So he called the police. And that's the only police contact he really had.

He called them. He called them. He was the victim. Apparently, they said he was well spoken and seemed like a fine guy upstanding guy and fine not a not british he's obviously obviously not british but he's not even trying no he's a come here god no he tried to punch me in the face come on i will call the bobbies they said no i don't think so so uh uh in his wife finally gets the the his american wife now danielle or yeah yeah danielle labelle they rhyme that's how i can remember that danielle uh because two d names come on dude i'm david i need a d um she

finally gets a divorce from him files in 2001 and gets a divorce decree in 2002 so finally after she's murdered after he murdered her husband and ran away to England for five years under an assumed name. She finally gets a divorce. Much easier to be a citizen than get a fucking divorce, it seems like. Maybe one should be easier than the other, right? So Bieber was doing security work at this point and doing all of that. One police officer said, and that's where he was earning his legitimate money. He's into bodybuilding.

He was certainly working at his fitness. Gambling was a major part of his life. And we calculated that in the three years that we looked at him, he gambled around 300,000 pounds. Wow. It's about over half a million dollars. How do you get that kind of money? Steroids. Selling them.

Selling drugs. You don't do that on a normal job. On a bouncer's salary, probably not. He's working there. One guy who worked with him named Pierce Coyle, who's a very British name. C-O-Y-L-E. Oh, yeah. And P-E-A-R, Pear.

Oh. Pearce. Yeah. Like that. Quote, he wanted to be a gangster. He just wanted to be a big shot. He wanted people to fear him. He wanted people to respect him. So, yeah. Apparently him so yeah apparently so it's what he's looking for yeah who doesn't want that

sounds great sounds awesome so december 26th 2003 this is boxing day in the uk where uh everyone in the uk and all of its colonies beat the living shit out of each other, but only with bare fists. Yeah. No kicking, no bottles. It's a gentleman's sport. It becomes. It's a gentleman's day. You can, and this is, you can square beefs with anyone on this day.

It's boxing purge. You can say, well, grandma, that birthday present you gave me last year was shit. Put them up and you can pop it right in the fucking nose as long as it's a fair fight. You have to just warn someone by putting your fists up anything's legal at that point it's crazy you don't like it stay in your house i don't know what to tell you you can't puke on my shoe that's it boxing day's coming it's like festivus over there i got a lot of problems with you people so uh yeah no it's gonna be out on the corner with my fists up all day who wants a piece of me looking for it

you want an appointment at one or maybe two this fucking mess so it's boxing day in the uk the day after Christmas, quiet. Neil Roper, who is a police officer over there, PC Neil Roper, as they call him over there, he said, quote, Boxing Day is generally a quiet day, looking for what we normally do, stolen car, looking for what we normally look for, stolen cars, anybody that's doing something that draws us attention. Not a lot of calls pouring in, a lot of people chilling out, people are draws us attention. Not a lot of calls pouring in. A lot of people chilling out. People are off.

There's not a lot of action happening there. Kids are around. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. He this Roper, Neil Roper. He's got a partner named Ian Broadhurst, PC and Broadhurst. And, you know, they're buddies.

They're partners like in a fucking buddy cop movie. They hang out every day for eight hours. Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker. You become close, except neither of them are asian or black the only difference they're exactly they're very british british british black and a british asian yeah that's exactly what they are true uh but yeah uh roper says quote he was my mate not just a policeman he's a genuine fella that got on that got on with everybody oh so yeah likes broadhurst there and they said that uh uh roper there knocking the mic smack the fuck out of it jesus christ what was his head jimmy passed out into the mic plunk all right we're gonna do

the rest of the show sans jimmy apparently complete accident maybe something crazy enough will happen to wake him up so uh, yeah, he said they were partners. They also had a really good ability to spot stolen cars. They said they were, for some reason, as partners, they were good at it. Like, certain things you could tell. That one looks like it's all his. It is stolen. That's not his.

Yeah, certain things. It's not your car. I wonder what those things were i'm just so yeah the uh they turned at one point on this day they said it was no different they're just driving around they turned into a sauce a small side street and saw a bmw that was parked at an odd angle that's a lot of the things if you're looking for stolen cars not being driven like not like hey that black guy's in a nice car. Like we're talking about if they're parked on the street, certain things.

If you see a nice car parked, fucked up, you're like, well, why would someone park their nice expensive car like that? You know what I mean? That's things like that give you that way. You'll run the plate quick. Hey, it's stolen. So they see a BMW parked at an odd angle. So they go.

So they see a BMW parked at an odd angle. So they go. Roper here says, quote, I just basically saw this black three series BMW parked up on the causeway in a how can I put it? A peculiar position. We went slowly past the passenger side of the vehicle. I looked and just saw this white man reading a racing post. So, yeah, they do, you know, buzz buys to see who's in the car. They approach the car and radioed it in just to see if it was stolen or not. And sure enough, they get back that it was stolen.

It was stolen, but they don't know that yet. While that's going on, they radio it in and they talk to the driver. The driver, Ropers, calls a very big man who is making them nervous. The driver is David Bieber, jacked up on roids in the seat of a stolen car. Reading about what to gamble on. What to gamble on, exactly. So Roper says, quote,

in the police car, there is a button that you press, which gives you the facility, obviously, to record anything that's being said in the car. This is the first time I've ever done this. He turns it on. They take Bieber out of the car and they put him out of his car to the bmw they put him in the back of the police car while they run the plates basically so they do it like that um and the car was parked outside of a like a

betting shop just what they call like an otb basically and he's reading a racing form so yeah gambler uh and the plates don't match the car. So that's an issue. They run the VIN. It's stolen. You're fucked now. So they said that they thought he was in a keep clear zone as well. No parking. Yeah.

He is in a keep clear zone, parked at a weird angle, reading a racing form, and eating a Galaxy chocolate bar. In a stolen vehicle with stolen plates. Just hanging out idiot fucking idiot right uh so the uh police officers here neil roper and ian broadhurst are the first two police officers the one we're talking about and uh basically here uh um uh later on james banks will come as well pc james banks will come but pc roper and broadhurst are the first two there and uh this is all on tape on tape you can hear uh him saying that he's from leeds but he's born in canada he's telling them he's canadian and he also told the officers quote just to let you know i did not

steal that car so that's what he's saying uh so they said that uh roper says that he was growing kind of a little just wary of the man you know over this whole thing doesn't trust him and he's trying to figure out whether like he should handcuff him and get back up or what how basically what how they should play this right uh we don't carry guns here he's a, so we're going to have to hopefully talk him into this or get back up. What do we think here? So they end up towing the BMW away, and then James Officer, James Banks, arrives, like we've talked about. He gets there. He does call for backups.

Let's get an extra guy in on this. Let's do this. None of them have guns on them. No. No three of these guys have guns. of them have guns on them no no three of these guys have guns um now roper says quote i said to james when i'm cuffing him you can just sit you can just watch watch me back right so yeah very british keep an eye on this yeah that's it he said as i've looked forward i've just seen this gun coming up to my face and what can i say from there i've just shouted he's got a gun oh boy now um this is where it gets kind of fucking

crazy here uh yeah he ends up um basically there's a i have a transcript of the thing and roper says do you want to put cuffs on and broadhurst said up to you do you want to and so roper said yeah double safety mate and so they um then you just hear on the sound of a car door opening and you hear a whistle and you hear stop hold there mate just stop there and bieber says right and then roper says because we're transporting you we're all we're having to put handcuffs on you all right and bieber says no and then he says i got um then you can't hear anything and roper says do you say claustrophobic and he said yeah and roper said well i'm sorry you can't hear anything. And Roper says, do you say claustrophobic? And he said, yeah. And Roper said, well, I'm sorry.

You can't sit behind us when we're, and then you hear the handcuff open. And Bieber says, mate, listen, listen, don't, don't. First of all, he's already adopted mate. He didn't say dude or man. He's committed. Bro. He said mate. And then you hear him say, listen't dote and then roper says

he's got a gun and then you hear a gunshot a pause and then three quick gunshots oh god jesus screaming and yelling and then you hear broadhurst saying no don't don't please please no and then a fifth shot wow yeah um roper was hit in the shoulder and stomach but he made it to a building and radioed for help uh one of the shots hit him in the radio which saved him which was up here yeah on the heart it saved him yeah the radio saved him there um he said quote on the radio quote i've been shot twice i don't know about ian he's down on the floor about About Broadhurst. Oh, boy. So, James, I'm sorry, Roper was hit twice. James Banks was hit in the radio. Okay.

He didn't even. He didn't even take one. He didn't take one. He took one in the radio. Oh, no, lucky bastard. Broadhurst, though, dies on the way to the hospital. Oh, no. This poor guy died.

He absolutely shot him and then was 100% standing over him while this guy was begging for his life and fucking executed him in the face he's a fucking wow as cold as anything anybody's ever done to other cops and then was busting shots disappeared took off uh yeah uh now holy shit man the police are trying to figure out what the fuck happened this is crazy we've this is crazy i don't think we've had a cop killer on our show before. This is wild. And he's on the loose. And he's on the loose in another country.

The police are looking at what the fuck, how to match this up. They said the chief superintendent, Chris Gregg, he was the senior detective on call that day. He said the first four shots were fired in three seconds. So this happened very, very quickly. One has hit PC Broadhurst in the stomach. Two have hit PC Ropers, who's running away. One of the bullets that was fired at Neil Roper actually went through his left arm and struck the door here.

And the other one has gone through Banks's radio. He said that. But then there is a five second delay. So there's all those shots. Bang, bang, bang bang he shoots all three cops in that quick five seconds then there you can hear if then there's a five second delay and you can hear uh the officer now saying please don't shoot it was as cold-blooded an execution as you can imagine this was a dangerous criminal who was on the run yeah i would say uh in the car he leaves behind two newspapers and in the patrol car a half-eaten candy bar fingerprints on everything obviously

uh the prints don't have any immediate match there's no match over there for the prince he's not in the system over there there's nothing uh but they do find a videotape from a nearby shop showing a man buying all the items he has moments before the shooting like that has to be the guy he's eating a galaxy buying a galaxy bar in a racing form i think that's probably our dude uh so more important though then as they think as the as the picture was the they also had his uh his voice from this right from this tape they had his voice they brought in an audio expert a guy named dr peter french to analyze it this is they're really wanting to find out who did this this is no fucking around cops get shot over here people

get shot over here all the time it just happens over there it's not that common for cops to get shot and it's also a big deal cops granted they're okay they're people that are in charge of of policing society hence the name police but over there they are unarmed and and yeah shooting a cop there is that is super egregious you're shooting an unarmed right yeah they they rarely shoot people right like here there's a lot of questionable police shooting. Sure. That rarely happens over there because there's not a lot of shooting. They've mitigated that. Yeah, they've mitigated that. By taking guns from them.

Yeah. So, yeah, this is time where I'm sure they would have wanted to have one here. That would be nice. So Dr. French is called to analyze it. And he says, quote, he made a claim during the course of the arrest that he was, in fact, Canadian. And he says, this French guy says he's lying. He's not Canadian. I could hear it in his voice.

He said he's not Canadian. He's actually American, probably from the South. He's not Canadian. That guy is from Florida, as a matter of fact. Listen, mate, I'll give you his address. He says, I couldn't say exactly where in the southern states, because it's quite widespread. You'd find that accent in Georgia, Alabama, and, of course, Florida. I couldn't say exactly where in the southern states because it's quite widespread.

You'd find that accent in Georgia, Alabama, and of course, Florida. So he gets it down to that. He nails it. Now the cops are like, okay, this guy is not who he says he is. He's not. We don't know if his name's right. He's definitely not Canadian like he says he is. The whole thing is a fucking we don't even know who the hell this guy is. He's just some American from the south.

That could be anybody. Happen to be any of those guys on the run yeah so anybody yeah so police appeal to the public to for any tips anything they need to find him they said greg that the head of detectives he said we received an anonymous phone call from a man who said i know an american guy he has a gun and he has a black bmw and he just gave us the name nathan and a mobile phone number through that mobile phone number we tracked that down to a man using the name nathan wayne coleman so they're working man this is good police work uh we have a name and we know where he's been living but who this person is we don't know they're like we know it ain't him we don't think they don't think that's a real name. They don't know who they're dealing with. Unbelievable work.

It's really good. So this is within days of Broadhurst's murder. They knew he's an American. They knew his name was Nathan Wade Coleman. They had his telephone number. They were tracking shit around. But they don't know he's David Bieber, and he's wanted in Florida for murder as well. They don't know anything about that. He and he's wanted in Florida for murder as well. They don't know anything about that.

He keeps a low profile and keeps everything like that. What they do find, though, is the leads harassment complaint, the one that he called on the guy at the pub. They find that, and that helps them narrow some shit down a little bit. We know where he works. We know where he works. Okay. Now they can narrow it down to their people because there's a lot of uh 3 000 callers responded so you're gonna have to sift

through a lot of garbage and that knowing facts like that help a little bit they said one of the 3 000 callers was a uh responded to a police description gave two phone numbers and they found a they checked out a west yorkshire database against a number given by another individual uh against the individual who made the harassment complaint and figured out it was the same person identified him through closed circuit tv shit and everything uh now while they're looking for her for him uh his they were playing the voice they're playing the video they're trying to see if anybody knows come on horsely horsely steps up and says she recognized his voice i bet on that horse yeah they they put her and her husband to into a safe house at this point she's married so they put her

in like witness protection over that because he's on the loose and a psychopath so uh they the hunt led to a place in leeds where they burst into a place where they think he might have been where he was living they found a bullet making press and hundreds and hundreds of rounds of homemade ammunition in there which is you can't buy it in that in that country you gotta make your own yeah you can't go to the sporting goods store and buy a fucking caseload of them like here so uh lots and lots of them also a large quantity of nubian which is an opiate which is allows you to over train because it kills your pain it's one of those it's one of the things in that estuary of of steroids yeah it's a heroin thing uh which they found there as well um yeah so

it's it's a big in the bodybuilding world basically uh also Also, they found that he spent a lot of time. They're trying to track him. He spends a lot of time traveling around West Yorkshire at this point. He withdraws more than $2,900 from his bank accounts. All around, 2,900 pounds, I should say. And finally, a taxi takes him to the Royal Hotel in Dunstan Gateshead at 3 p.m. on December 30th. Okay, so this is just four days later. And there, we'll find out why he's there.

We're pretty sure he's there to kill somebody. He's there to carry out a murder. We pretty much are pretty positive of it. So there's a bunch of false sightings of him in this time period. There was actually a false alarm where a store in York was closed for several hours while armed officers surrounded the place, and it turns out it wasn't him. It was the wrong fucking guy. He was locked in, somebody?

A bullshit load of people. It was like a SWAT team situation. Kind of specific guys in there buying shoes yeah like huh sorry I just have bitch tits I used to work out and now I stopped and my tits fell over man bitch tits

and I drool like this and look like I'm on heroin so finally though a taxi they found dropped him off at a 29.50 pound a night hotel which is a shit hotel uh it sounds like oh 29 pounds 50 and half so yeah we're talking to no it's probably like a 50 a night hotel that's what i'm saying 29 and a half pounds yeah 29 yeah 29 pounds 50 that's how they say it yeah yeah i don't know i'm sorry so uh yeah this is 90 miles away from where he was gateshead he uh when they end up finding him

he's naked and asleep we'll talk about that sounds great he walked in in in very funny glasses and a hat like literally like a this is my disguise outfit right and uh to the registry and he signed in as uh harris to law street and knots was his sign-in thing and they said he spoke very little before he just went up to his room um yeah false name false address they said odd behavior and strange appearance he had his hair dyed orange as well and the glasses were clearly not his glasses they didn't fit him and he's wearing a wool black hat that's all weird too over his orange hair yeah no i'm from ireland you see yeah so they're all like the fuck is this guy i'm a leprechaun why does he look like that guy in the mexican

soap opera with all the freckles what's going on so he uh this is vicky brown the receptionist she after he left was like kind of uneasy at the whole thing uh so she ended up having a newspaper near her and found a newspaper photograph of a man they were seeking for the lead shooting and went oh my god they look similar she's the only one on duty she described him as quote very big very tall he's 5 10 but when someone's big they seem taller very big very tall and he looked quite broad and he was wearing this black woolly hat pulled right down over his ears and a big pair of old-fashioned glasses he got a room that overlooked the main street he wanted a room that saw outside okay you know so you can see who's coming keep an idea of what's coming down

the street yeah she said that she you know gave up on it but then she couldn't stop thinking about it so then she had remembered hearing about the manhunt and she looked and she said it wasn't until i looked at the photograph and i seen this picture of what this guy might look like so i sat and drew a pair of glasses on this picture in the paper and that's when i thought yeah could be painted some orange hair on it she said she put like matted the top and bottom to just show his face because the hair thing and the hat and everything and then put drew glasses on him she went yeah that's the guy that's going above and beyond for a hotel receptionist, I would say. I don't fucking care.

It might be him. It's not my problem, though. I don't know. They'll find him, I guess. Do you want more towels? Yeah, anything. So she said that. She said she placed a beer mat across the forehead of the image

and drew on a pair of glasses here and then told her boss about the suspicions. He called the police they came in with a now they have guns yeah lots of them yeah a huge you know force of people come in they put marksmen up on the roof i mean they're not fucking around with this guy this guy is happy to shoot cops and they're not gonna go down fight you know against him i don't think here they tell him to come out um you know uh he's asleep and naked they here. They tell him to come out. He's sleeping naked.

They say, put your underwear on and come out, literally. And then there's a seven-minute standoff, which he could be doing anyway. That is tense. That's tense, man. He could be making bullets. That's what I mean. Everything's tense. You know he has basically unlimited bullets.

He's happy to use them. So police are very cautious. They said, quote, when he first came to the them uh so police are very cautious they said quote when he first came to the door we didn't actually see him the door opened about an inch an inch and a half and then slammed quickly shut after that so they couldn't even get like a foot in there or anything uh seven minutes of these of these tense options uh the detective greg there said he couldn't go out of the window we had uh he had to go out of the door and i think he was weighing up his chances of surviving and i think he realized that if he was going to uh going into a shootout here he would end up being killed himself you're not going to out shoot 20

cops around you sharp shooters on the roof you're you're going to go down here you've killed a cop dude yeah they're after you you're lucky they didn't shoot you and go up i thought i saw a gun in his hand sometimes that's that happens It's been known to happen before. Nathan, that you was shooting through the door. Yeah. We don't even need to know. There's a window. Yeah.

He opened the door and gave up without a fight, though. He ended up finally doing it. The officer said after that, the door fully opened and the subject stood in the doorway, fully dressed. And the most distinctive part was his hair. It is orange as shit. He looks like the nut in Coloradoado that fucking shoe really that's what he looks like yeah except he's like matted from the hair being pushed down on him so the hat being pushed down on him they said uh yeah it was like an orangey weird blonde how do you it looks terrible blend in and you're standing out more than anything it looks like a nut yeah oh no one it doesn't say my hair's orange we'll walk around with your dick out yeah um doesn't say i'm sane greg

said after that quote but there was the most cruel irony in his surrender he said to the officer quote you wouldn't shoot an unarmed man would you fuck you what a dick this guy's a real dick did he giggle uh probably but they just took him in and uh he says quote now considering what character had done to an uh what this character had done to an unarmed police officer david bieber using those words i think he knew exactly what he was doing at that point i think so too they all knew it so he was daring them to do it they end up finding beneath his mattress of the single bed they find find the murder weapon that he killed the cop with. Gun is fully loaded, cocked, ready to fucking rock and roll with his DNA on the trigger and prints on the gun.

Yeah. Nine millimeter pistol, 14 rounds in the clip and one in the chamber ready to fucking go. Also had 205 homemade rounds in the room with him so he could have mounted quite the sustained attack if he wanted to um also uh they removed six thousand and six pounds and 14 cents pence whatever that'll last you forever in that hotel jesus yeah you live there forever in cath at cash and a birth certificate with Nathan Coleman is his name. The also a storage facility operator here, a guy named David Costello. He heard the name and said, so I instantly got on my computer system here and just made sure Nathan Coleman was one of the people that stored here.

And it just stood out. So found. Hey, look at that. This guy rents here. Greg, the detective guy again, said, quote, there were hundreds and hundreds of rounds of homemade ammunition nine millimeter bullets and there were bullet reload a bullet reloading machine there he's got it there yeah that's his press got it there so there was a bullet press to make all the bullets there were gunpowder the primers the cartridge cases the bullet heads it was all there all there holy shit um yeah so uh the surveillance tape showed that uh yeah he just come there uh they said quote in the surveillance tape if it the surveillance tape showed this

character going in with one bag and coming out with another and we thought that rucksack was probably packed with ammunition we are very very concerned now that there's a man on the run he's dangerous he's killed a cop he shot another he's probably realizing he's going to be facing the rest of his life in jail. That's from when they raided his apartment. So he went to his storage unit and got a bunch of ammo. Yeah, got a bunch of ammo to go there. Yeah, they said, though, no fingerprint matched their database. So they were just at a loss.

And they said, well, we think he's American. They don't have anything on this Nathan Wayne Coleman, but maybe they have something on this fingerprint right gave the fingerprint to the fbi oh shit does that ring some bells uh yeah they said uh they got a hit he remembers that uh it did not put their minds at ease is what greg detective greg said because they found out they had a really bad guy here uh those fingerprints were identified in the states as those of david bieber he says that uh the amer Americans told him a great deal about Bieber. He said, quote, the fact that he was wanted in the States for conspiracy to murder and that they see nothing of him since 1996. Learning about David Bieber's background answered the key question for us, which was why had this person reacted so violently in the way that they did?

Yes, absolutely. Yeah, they found tons of shit in his home there, like we said. His story is still different, though. They talked to him. What's he have to say? He's got a story. Oh, boy. First, he says, I don't know what you're talking about.

Mistaken identity. Not that guy. Not me. Wasn't me. Never heard of him. Never heard of him. I don't know anything. Then he says, OK, OK, tell you what.

I know some stuff. I know that guy. I know that guy. I know what happened. The shootings, all of them, the ones here, the ones in Florida, everything, they were all carried out by a friend of mine named Mr. X. Now, Mr. X, he would not name him. He said, I know his name, but I'm going to call him Mr. X. Listen, he's dangerous.

He has pets. One's name is Wolverine. Big time. Professor X is a bad man. I Listen, he's dangerous. He has pets. One's name is Wolverine. Big time. Professor X is a bad man. I'm very frightened of him. He likes to go by Mr. here, though. It's a little, just to go under the radar. In the UK, Mr. In America, Professor. There you go.

He's got a friend named Beast. Big blue guy. What do you want? You're going to fuck with that? You're going to fuck with the big blue guy? They also said that the, he said that the shootings were carried out by him and the description of him changes over the course of the conversation from greek to asian to turkish which is very different you can confuse greek and turkish but you're not confusing asian with greek or turkish so that's interesting here uh also he's a chameleon yeah that's he's like a chameleon he said one of the few differences between him and mr x because they're both pretty same size

and it's weird you you could mistake us that's the thing the only difference is that i'm pale as a ghost and my friend is he's all tanned up yeah that's mr x in a wheelchair he's a tan guy yeah you know that is is. So, yeah. Now, in Florida, they get the news that they finally found David Bieber, which is crazy. The Lieutenant Ferrante, who's been chasing him for eight years. Christ almighty. They're saying Bieber is Mr. X. Yeah.

He said, quote, I was called and told a police officer lost his life because of David Bieber. I remember hanging up the phone, closing my door, and I actually broke down and cried. So, yeah, he feels like he blew it. I mean, Kyle cost a cop his life. Now, May 2004, there are sources saying that he may have carried out different gang killings in the UK and was possibly and possibly even in different countries in Europe. He's been around. They said, quote, We now know this man to be David Francis Bieber. This is the West Yorkshire assistant chief constable, he says. But to a certain extent that this is that this is all we know about him. We know that he is a cold bloodblooded murderer but as far as who he really is that

remains a mystery uh now first he says yes i did it but i don't know what i'm doing i'm all fucked up on steroids then he says what are you talking about i didn't say that it must have been the steroids so yeah he said it's mr x that did Mr. X did all this type of shit. They go to court and trial. He gets on the stand and says, it's Mr. X. He's an Asian-Turkish-Greek. Looks just like me, but tan. He's a chameleon. It's his bizarro, David Bieber.

That's all it is. He's just, I wear a white shirt, he wears a black shirt. I wear a red shirt, he wears a blue shirt. We just go, whatever it is, he does the opposite. It's fine. So I dyed my hair orange so nobody would confuse us. Yeah, you know, I've always said, he wears a blue shirt. We just go, whatever it is, he does the opposite. It's fine. That's why I dyed my hair orange, so nobody would confuse us. Yeah, you know, I've always said,

I don't like oranges. I do, mate. I do it myself. So they said when he's cross-examined, he has a confidence bordering on arrogance while he's being cross-examined. It's a two-week murder trial in Newcastle. And in the end, he says,

he testifies to his own defense he said i was on the scene i was at the scene when ian broadhurst was murdered but he said the actual shooter was a man from a friend of his from florida mr x and uh the prosecutors got to cross examine him and said you are you fucking kidding me this is the worst story ever he said he never was in the uh he he denied ever being in the pro in the patrol car uh but the you know the the uh the jurors said quote we tracked down the gambling companies that he'd been using i'm sorry the prosecutor said this uh and telephone betting and the gambling companies tape the tape record the calls because you're betting money uh so we managed to gather quite a lot of recordings of this, of the person who was using the name Nathan Wayne Coleman. And they said that they compared all of

those to the person in the car's voice. And the voice expert said they match. French said, quote, this is one of the most clear cut cases in which I've ever acted. This is the voice guy. He said, short of a fingerprint, it doesn't get much better. But there was also the fingerprint on the candy wrapper in the back seat that also matched him. So you have every form of benefit. Yeah, it gets much better. Other than like a 12-point eyeball coronary, you know. So, fuck, man.

Apart from a DNA match, this is fucking it. Yeah, that's the thing. During the testimony, he makes a very startling admission. Oh, boy. He says that, why was he sitting in that BMW 12 months ago? He said, I wasn't there to bet. He said, quote, someone had pissed my friend off and disrespected him. He wanted to sort them out.

He was there to kill somebody. He was there to wait for somebody to come out and kill. He was there to do a hit. He was there to kill. There to kill. Just killed a cop instead. He was all fucking, yeah. He was there to wait for somebody to come out and kill. He was there to do a hit. He was there to kill. So there to kill. Just kill the cop. He was all fucking. Yeah.

He killed the cops because they would have found the gun on him. And that's a big deal in England. And they would have found out who he was, maybe. And the whole thing would have fell apart. So he tried to instead shoot his way out, start bucking shots at everything. So the jury, when they finally get it after two weeks they find him in three hours they find him guilty as balls yeah which i don't know if that's a british thing which it was specifically guilty as balls your honor your magistrate whatever the fuck here your majesty your majesty

so as a magistrate yeah so the uh mr justice moses said of the killing here oh this is good stuff these these british judges this is where the you sir may fuck off came from because they give you Justice Moses said of the killing here. This is good stuff. These these British judges. This is where the you, sir, may fuck off came from because they give you the business. And it sounds really proper. Like, it sounds like, whoa, he broke me down hard. It's good. He says, quote, you have shown no remorse for or even understanding of the brutality of this murder. On the contrary, you have maintained a cool and detached

reaction as you attempted to explain the overwhelming evidence against you uh he also talked about how the cop was defenseless called that aggravating an aggravating feature to him then he says quote early release provisions shall not apply and you must spend the rest of your life in prison. Justice has been done. You, sir, may fuck off. Three life sentences. Three of them. Three. One for each copy shot out. Wow. It's two attempted murders

and a murder all on police officers. A wig so powdered as he said it. Powder puffed off. Dude, when he hit that gavel, it poof. He looked like a mushroom cloud coming off of his head here uh yes so he's found guilty three life sentences there uh he plans to appeal yeah uh his his uh uh his dad said quote we believe in his innocence i don't know how dad stop it we believe in his innocence oh my god the detective greg said quote this is a whole life

sentence which is very unusual for this country. Very few and far between a sentence of whole life. So he will never be granted parole. The Broadhurst family, because he's married, his kids, that Ian Broadhurst, his wife here said, quote, I'm sorry. His mother said, quote, I'm old enough to be able to remember the time when if the news told us that someone had been shot in this country, you'd stopped what you were doing and said, shot, not here. That happens maybe in America, but not here. We don't stop anymore. Goddamn America.

Fuck America. So Ferrante back in Florida, he said the case will always hurt and haunt him. He said, quote, every time I think of the officer in the United Kingdom, this Ian Broadhurst, it will always hurt me. It will always bother me. He says he didn't even get the satisfaction of making the arrest he said but that's the selfish part of fugitive work the real part of part of fugitive work is the bad guys in jail yeah but you want to get him yeah you want to get and you want to catch him before it hurts anybody else yeah especially another cop if you're a cop so uh the flor, the assistant state attorney of Florida, Scott H. Cup, he said that if he does ever get out, quote, while I don't think it will be necessarily a death penalty case that we would pursue, we'd still be going for premeditated murder and conspiracy to commit murder, which are obviously serious crimes.

So if the UK ever does release him, he'll be extradited to Florida to face first degree premeditated murder charges, which they don't take kindly to in Florida. Now, yeah, this is this is crazy. The reactions here are fucking wild. His friends are all saying what happened today. What the fuck? What's going on? One of his friends said, quote, Some people are saying, was it the steroids? Could that have affected his mind?

Another one of his high school classmates said, we just can't believe it. That class, a classmate of ours is a murderer. And a close friend of Denise, that's Horsley, British wife, said, quote, I can't. I said that Denise told her, quote, I cannot believe I was married to this monster. Guilt will stay with me forever. He used me to stay in the UK. So, yeah, I would say so. married to this monster guilt will stay with me forever he used me to stay in the uk so yeah i would say so now he goes to prison and he is held in maximum security conditions but launches a

string of legal challenges to try to get better conditions uh this is all at public expense to all these legal challenges here um he is one judge rejects his his uh rejects his whole his whole case and then it gets worse for him there uh as we'll talk about 2005 uh danielle his member danielle labelle in the middle all this uh by 2005 is like 10 years later she is now living in a mansion with her property developer husband what yeah she got rich crushing it uh she has no body building she's all slimmed out done uh trophy wife that's it she they asked her about bieber and she said quote that was all 10 years ago and it's behind me now that's it uh they said that uh uh and then michelle the other one says she's lived in fear of bieber and uh they said how do you feel about his jailing and she

said i have no comment other than good. That's all you need to say. Good for you, Michelle. Don't worry about it. Now, 2007, British officials and prison officials foil an escape attempt by David. Get the fuck out. He October 2. Dude, it gets crazier.

He planned to escape by helicopter with an arsenal of weapons. That's his plan. Ben Kramer style. Yeah, he and two other inmates plan to take hostages with a gun smuggled into the jail uh they claim the plot was foiled after alert staff put together snippets of information and worked out how they were planning to escape uh they planned for a guest at a forthcoming prison wedding to smuggle the gun in which they would then use to negotiate their release out and get helicopters and shit wow uh yeah that's how are you gonna do

that that's what i mean that's untenable that's a nice fantasy and awesome come on well i mean never gonna happen alcatraz when we went to go to alcatraz you go how are you gonna do that right wow that takes well there's a way i guess i don't know i don't know who knows so he wants better accommodations this doesn't seem that far though it doesn't but it's cold yeah it's very cold and i'm not swimming now so uh uh yeah he's in it known as an exceptional high risk category a exceptional risk prisoner prisoner which restricts his movements uh in the prison as well. He says it breaches his human rights. God damn it. Okay. Yeah.

He was granted for his challenges up to $12,000 in legal aid to do this. Wow. Now, Broadhurst's mother said, quote, I'm very disappointed. I feel cheated and let down on behalf of my family. He chose to do what he did. This is the consequences. And I don't think he has any rights. And this is letting us down if he's allowed these rights.

He has no idea about our pain. We live that. We can never go back to the life we've had. Yeah. Yeah. Your life. This is hard. No one doesn't feel bad for them.

They're fucking. That's a horrible thing. I just went to work and get shot for it. And he's going to try to be mr fucking sympathy oh i don't all my against my human rights because i don't like i don't like this room it's not big enough i mean yeah my heart is breaking i feel bad for you i feel so bad but not nearly as bad as i feel for who for david bieber managing director private well and private wealth investor at morgan stanley private wealth management oh yeah new york city uh david bieber director at city group in london in london mind you uh wow he went to oxford this guy did everything right this dude comes along fucks it all up ruins everything uh david bieber video

production intern i only put this because he's at marist college in the department of athletics and that's up in poughkeepsie and that's where i'm from so good for you marist college uh there you go he's doing fine uh david bieber director of western canada council of public affairs in vancouver and finally david bieber veterinarian from ho Hollywood, Florida. So this poor bastard. Don't take your dog to him. I swear I won't shoot it. What about, did you get anybody?

I won't hire a nurse to shoot it, I promise. Did you look up anybody with Coleman's name? Jesus Christ, man, that's so funny. So 2008 here is his appeal. And in this appeal, he appeals for to get rid of his life sentence. And he ends up getting it reduced from life to 37 years. What? He has.

Right. No, no. 37 years. All together. His legal team used the Human Rights Act to claim that leaving him to die behind bars was cruel because they don't have the death penalty. So they basically equated it to the death penalty saying you're just not going to kill him. You're just going to leave him to rot, which is the same thing

except crueler. Is it? I mean, he shot a dude in the face. Logically, yes. But I mean, obviously the law has nothing to do with fucking logic or else it would be not. Can we call the queen and see what she thinks? Yeah, I don't care what she thinks. I mean, she's in charge. She should be the one that gets to say it she's off with his head that's what she should say she doesn't even know a fucking hat she has on she's 112 years old

so i lose my head no so chris greg here uh he's the like the detective who was hunting for bieber in england he said that he's quote he is the most manipulative and dangerous criminal I've ever experienced. Given half a chance, he would take any opportunity to escape, and I dare say this is what this legal challenge is about. He would kill or harm for his own purposes, and the prison service will recognize that danger. He must never be downgraded. And the National Victims Association representative said, quote,

this is the kind of mind-numbing madness that makes makes decent law abiding citizens despair for a criminal justice system. And yeah, so 2010 in the jail he's in criminals are people are bringing in books with the pages soaked in steroids. Oh, my God. The criminals are eating the books. Wow. So they can win jail bodybuilding contests. What? Get the fuck out of my life. I'm not fucking kidding. This is going on.

Yeah, they're tearing out pages. This Harry Potter's delicious. It's swallowing them to get steroids. It's fucking nuts. A prison insider said Can we send him Davidid hom uh the homicide book so and we'll piss on it yeah there we go we'll just eat it right jesus uh the bosses there said they began drug testing contenders for the strongman contest after noticing that some of

them were getting quote bigger and angrier and that's in prison yeah uh where all they do is get big and angry so you're like whoa this is getting worse a prison insider said quote for weeks now the prisoners have been getting loads of books delivered many of them gangster biographies and autobiography biographies the pages are soaked with steroids but the security scanner doesn't pick up the liquid because it's dried uh they take them back to their cells rip out the pages before eating them a lot of guys are talking are taking the strongman contest very seriously. In prison, it's all about looking the biggest and the hardest.

But the staff became suspicious recently because a number of the cons are looking bigger and became more aggressive. One said, now every con who has put his name down for the competition is going to be tested. If they fail or refuse, they get banned. Wow, that's fucking hilarious, man. Jesus Christ. You're just shitting agatha christie what's going on 2012 he's discovered another they've discovered another escape plan yeah this is his fifth time they found him trying to escape he's had four escape plans just punch his way out just punch his way through the wall, like Dotsick,

just rip his way through a fence. Bruh, I'm free. They found that he was planning to go. They said, they tell, quote, a credible escape intelligence came from an external agency. Basically,

Jesus Christ, man. He tried to break by holding, he wanted to make a prison break by holding guards hostage using a gun smuggled into uh another way here and then he was trying to organize a way out using outside help and that's how they busted him uh because everything he does he's he's we need a gun yeah we need a gun it's like you're a gun. It's like, you're not. Stop. July 22nd, 2014. He's going. This is his final thing to try to get his security status downgraded. Not like he's dangerous or anything.

I mean, obviously, you know, just a cop killer who's killed other people looking to escape and just wants a gun. It's fine. Yeah. So he said that, quote, since his incarceration, this is the one of the cops here. Bieber has occupied himself by making numerous applications to the high court about the conditions in which he is being held. The court officer has established that he has made four such applications. He keeps fucking doing this.

They said the judge said that were the judge said we were we we all designed to make his life a little more comfortable in prison. Had he either been. This is so weird. All the I don't understand what they're saying here. We all designed to make his life a little more comfortable in prison. Had he either been, this is so weird. I don't understand what they're saying here. All the claims he has made have been funded by legal aid. I repeat, all of the claims he's made have been funded by legal aid. The judge said about this, they said, quote, it's perhaps noteworthy that I've sat in the court where I usually sit with litigants in person before me. People who are desperate to see their children from whom the government has withdrawn all legal aid and he said that his crimes were quote at the upper end of bestial and that he was perfectly reasonable to suppose that he would stage a breakout if he could

yeah so he says you sir may not go fucking anywhere eat shit um they put some stank on it over there now 2015 here uh uh like we said he's still over there so they were mad that this fucker is absorbing legal aid from citizens that have a weak sentence yeah and this fucker has to be there for 37 years or other or other legal problems and he's trying to turn it over uh he racked up at the taxpayer expense of his legal aid, 277,600 pounds for all of these things here. Yeah, that's 40, 236,000 was spent on his trial. 40,000 pounds was spent on civil claims about his prison conditions here. And yeah, that's a lot.

So people were pissed off about that. and uh yeah that's that's a lot so people were pissed off about that um but he wanted to have his exceptional risk security category downgraded is what they said they needed to do that now 2015 david snipes is in court okay he's asking for his life sentence to be reduced even more since he was 17 so he's asking for some kind of something, basically. He wants an ability to get out. He wants an ability to get out someday, which right now he does not have. He has life right now. But that's still going on.

Those appeals take forever. October 10, 2017. This is in South Littleton, Evesham. Evesham? Do you know? Evesham? I don't know. In the UK, it's a prison

uh october 10th 2017 okay david bieber grabs a female prison guard you motherfucker from behind and repeatedly slashes her neck hands and arms with a 12 inchinch blade. Wow. Where the fuck did he get that? Yeah. Wow. A source said, quote, this was a savage attack and she's lucky to be alive. She did not die, thankfully. They said Bieber is a high-risk prisoner in one of Britain's toughest jails, yet he apparently has been able to get a deadly weapon. There must be an urgent inquiry. Whereas over here, they'd be like, I mean, it happens.

We're going to ask some questions, they don't know they don't care they stab each other some prison uh at the time they weren't sure whether it was a knife or an implement made into a blade uh the ministry of justice said we do not tolerate violence against our hard-working prison staff this incident is being investigated by police so we cannot comment comment further uh they said quote it's a miracle we are not grieving for a murdered colleague yeah i would say say the court he went to court for that he's due to stand trial he admitted or he denies

the attempted murder of the guard Allison Smith it was Mr. X it was Mr. X he's in there somehow you don't know wounding her with intent to do grievous bodily harm and unauthorized position possession of a prison unauthorized possession in prison of a knife or offensive weapon,

which turned out to be a pronged metal bar that he fucking sharpened up like that. His earliest release date, though, is 2041. He could get out, and if he is, he will be immediately taken to Florida to be put in the electric chair. He will be 75 years old? Yes. to be put in the electric chair. So good luck. He will be 75 years old? Yes, he will be about 75 years old and on the fast track to the electric chair. So he's not really a threat at this point.

David Bieber's out of it, but he's going to sit in a prison in England. Wesley's boy is down there. Snipes is down there. He's done for life. And then the Saladino guy's out. He's out living somewhere. He's out living somewhere. Oh, boy. His two his two wives yeah one's living in a mansion doing great the

other one i'm not sure she's in england doing whatever horsely it's cloudy horsely so uh that my friends is david bieber and when i tell you that bodybuilding episodes are crazy they're solid don't fucking don't question us they're're ripped, James. They're amazing. They're solid. They're not taut and supple like Jimmy likes in a young boy. They're ripped and hard. Packed full. Yeah, and there's no sports in them, so people don't have to bitch about that. I love how some people complain that there's

if there's any sports. Some people complain when there's no sports. Then some people complain that the crime's not bad enough. The sport we did, we weren't as in-depth as we should have been against mma sorry i don't like it yeah sorry i don't talk about two guys grappling for a while it's not what the fucking show is about and the other thing too well that crime well he's just some duis or some coke you guys are missing the fucking point okay the other thing you know i

don't like bodybuilding yeah who the fuck How many people listen to this love bodybuilding? Here's the sports I know. Football, baseball, basketball, boxing. I don't know shit. I'm pretty good with those. I know those. I don't know the other ones. So outside of that, I don't fucking know.

I love those. I don't care. I've watched all of those. Yeah, I don't care. I don't know shit about any of them. And if you're tuning into this show for in-depth sports analysis you're fucking missing the point you should find bill simmons and if you're tuning into this for some sort of true crime thing you're also missing the point that's the thing both of those things are

trojan horses for comedy we don't care if we're talking about one or the other we just want to make jokes and when people go i don't know the mma episodes they do crazy stuff but i don't want to hear them list off a bunch of fights okay i get that but when we list off four guys we're just four fights he fought this guy fought that guy fought that guy then you come up with luigi feveranti and jimmy throws up from laughing so hard because we go on a fucking long funny run about it because luigi's a blast some of the funniest stuff we've ever had happen happens during completely innocuous parts of the show. Talking about some fucking roster a guy was on. It doesn't matter.

It's an accident. Talking about some venue. That's the other thing. It's some shit venue. You have to see where these people are in life. You're talking about an MMA fighter. Are they fighting in a fucking parking lot in Oklahoma? Or are they fighting at the Hard Rock in Vegas?

What are they fucking doing? There's a difference. so it's one of those things the difference in career path yeah and that's with context context matters in a story yeah i don't know just for me anyway but it's all trojan horse shit and it's for the commies if you're not here for the comedy you've been fooled sorry if you are you've done it right all right welcome aboard you get the secret ring i don't know what the fuck to tell you that said thank you guys you can take a ride on professor If you are, you've done it right. Welcome aboard. You get the secret ring. I don't know what the fuck to tell you. That said, thank you guys. You can take a ride on Professor X's lap.

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You guys are really our favorites up there. Shows you don't gumpel somewhere for a year and they come out. Thank you guys for coming out for that. Detroit and Cincinnati, March 27th and 28th. And of course, April 7th and 8th in Nashville, where we're going to have that live Crime and Sports. But those are sold the fuck out. Not the ones in Detroit and Cincinnati, though, so come to those. Come see those.

And if you're a Crime and Sports fan and you don't really listen to small-town murder, dude, come to a live show. You would go see some mediocre comic just because you want to go out. Our live show is better than a comedy show that you're going to go see. It's not just some person with a microphone talking. It's two of us with microphones and a crazy story and pictures. And it's just not fair. You're going to be having fun.

Yeah, it's going to be fun. So come out and see us. Get your tickets and come hang out with us and do that. We don't know if crime and sports is going to come to your city. Who the hell knows? So, yeah, come hang out with us. Just come to these. Come follow us on social media.

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producers are uh chris hassan clay thorson uh all the guys over there at the uh bfg plant in indiana they came to the show thank you guys thank you guys so much we really appreciate you uh ryan james nicole uh marino peters uh also we have uh what is that is that ian yes ian Really appreciate you. Ryan James, Nicole Marino-Peters. Also, we have, what is that? Is that Ian? Yes. Ian Wilkinson, Tonya Volanek, Robin Brown-Gallaghan. Yeah?

Yes. Ryan Dempsey and Jordan Bennett. Thank you guys so much for everything you do. We can't do it without you. We appreciate it so much. Other producers this week are Ted Glossomeyer, Taylor Shipley. Step in and get comfortable because this is going to be a long one. Jennifer Ross, Ishmael Guerrero, Robin Bevan. Yes.

Rhonda Herr, Adina Hampton, Cheyenne with no last name. Eric Vasquez, David Adelson. No, Don. Sorry, Don. Jesus, that's Don Adelson. I'm having the same amount of letters. I know. That's a W.

It kind of looks like a V. I don't know. Okay. Marissa. Marissa. Marissa Saluri. Lucinda Powell. Dan Seward.

Rick Bryant. Brandy Winner. Winner Rick Bryant, Brandy Winner. Winner. Yeah, it is Winner. Jay Poole. Okay, here we go. Victoria Griffith, Aaron Temple, Vincent Nassef. Tries to get himself on a roll.

Here we go. Psyching myself out. You ready? Now I can read. Chris Tucker's daughter, Lisa Tucker. That's who that is. No, I can read. Chris Tucker's daughter, Lisa Tucker.

That's who that is. Brad Severe Mata. Scissor Mata. Scissor Mata. No, it's not right. Vincent Nassef, I said that. Jen Visconti. Tyler Forrester.

Ray Sanders. John Myers. Matthew Walk. Mariela Renquist. Jessica with no last name. Molly Block. Stephanie Sherman. Stacy.

No, that's Tracy Ainsworth, Brooke Kale, Big Boy Trivia, oh, it's a podcast. Okay. That is. Lisa Bell, Chantel Meacham, Max Daniels, Sam Hart, welcome. Oh. Welcome, Sam Hart. Sam Hart, welcome, dickhead.

That's what I was supposed to say from his brother. Thank you. His other, whoever the other Hart is. Welcome, dickhead. Art's what I was supposed to say from his brother. Thank you. Whoever the other heart is. Welcome, dickhead. Artney with no last name. Kim Cuse, Shola Agora, Diana McGuire. Diana McGuire. Okay. Lucinda Lynch Powell.

Sarah Jones, Forrest Shoemaker. No. Shumbler. Shomleber. That's what that is that's shoemaker right same thing and scott margaret pelson uh no prob i think that's right caitlin flack brian johnson uh peregrine rusk raw. Ruscarola? Ruscorla. Mullen 11. I don't know what that is. Okay.

That's a thing, though. Jeff Hawkins? No, Hankins. No, that's Hawkins. Ryan Pearson? Lily Williams? Jennifer Hughes? Chris Bartoli?

Yeah, Christopher Bartoli. Oh. Bartoli. No, it's Bartolini. Jesus. God damn it. He even told me to have you pronounce it because it's Italian. I chose not to and I chose the wrong path.

Sarah Patton, Josh Hennick, Adam with no last name, Jennifer Beachman. No, Bateman. That's what that is. Scott Bledsoe, Gustavo Cheezetoe, Special Teams, Jason Dingers. Yep, Dingus. That's what that is. Colleen Ingham.

Natasha Hargrove. Sandy McMillan. Vicki Hayward. Scott Frazier. Amara McHale. Karen Rice. Carrie Walney, I think. Margaret Gary.

Some schmuck. William with no last name. Brian Minnelli. Nikki Slade. Megan Barr. Regina Reginald. Reginald Matthews, Sam Beasley, Ryan Cody, Matt Ava, Shelby Baugh, Byron Bell, James Templeton, backside of this thing, Brittany Bolterny, Ashley Carson, Matt Zick. That's what that is.

Karen Edwards, Shanna Bell, Russ Warnes, or Ross. I think it's Russ. No, it's probably Ross. Michael Reba, Amy Burkhart. Why is it more likely Ross than Russ? Because it looks more like an O. Oh, okay. It's based on your writing.

Right. It's probably Russ. Rachel Taylor, Blake Glahn, Hannah Weeks, Sandy L, Keaton with no last name, Katie Weiss, Kyle Bailey, I think I said that,

Jane Woods, Alicia LaFrance, Emily Theboldt, or Theboldt, Jane Woods, I said that, damn it, David Ranley,

Lauren Reed, Kara James, Taylor with no last name, Jill K. Jill Knapp, Chris Bartolini, I told you that, I got it, Emma Smith, Kara James, Taylor with no last name, Jill Knapp, Chris Bartolini. I told you that. I got it. Emma Smith, Jordan Baca, Andrew Bailey, Cold Calvin, Chris Crow, Megan Good. Oh, and congratulations.

Hey, congrats, Megan. Merry wedding? I don't know what I'm saying. Devin with no last name, Deanna Grimes, Drew Mixon,ris tyner kimberly huven no kimber huven uh deanna grimes linda boardman shelby montesani fuck chris tyner donna easily natasha wilcox chris miller megan moral becca penderzani uh krista downs chris miller lindsey greth Chris Miller, Lindsey Greth, Alexander Green, Lauren Kellen. I think it's Kellen. Sanji Habagizand? No?

Maybe? Sanjai. Okay. Habagazand? Habagizand? Yeah, Habaguzagan. Habaguzagan. Right.

Yeah, I know him. Frank Gant, Melody Crenshaw, Katie Ball, and Homestretch. God damn it. Oh, my goodness. Here we go. Jesse Hartman, Melissa Turner, Bailey Payton, Brianna Poland, James Marder, Reagan Shalkley, Peyton Meadows, Liz Vasquez, Cameron Leopold, Total Axe in Michigan. Thank you, by the way.

I threw axes this past weekend. And they saw me on Instagram throwing axes, and they called the axe place and sent me waters because they didn't send beers. That's nice. So that was very nice. Thank you. Bethany Lampke. Bethany Lamp lampkey god damn it

josh jessup gary howard thanks gary laura lauren wallace tracy renninger jackie sukup tj max who mac god damn it i know her and i said max tj i just i just found out her real name i know i did fascinating lisa ward trey vulcanar amanda knight ted cyrus jude kendall michael jacobs I did, too. Fascinating. Lisa Ward, Trey Volkanar, Amanda Knight, Ted Cyrus, Jude Kendall, Michael Jacobs, Brian Riley, Janice Hill, Dove Harper, Cynthia Carmona, Thomas Smith, Steve Schnell, James La Russa, Tyler Gwill, Blair Bodner, Sierra Stratton, Emmy Dumont, Marla Happany, Lorenzo Gutierrez, Robert Steyer, James Graben, or Craig, that's Graben, Craig Cole, Craig Cole, Gianna DeLuca, Susanna Platt, Brendan Ables, Bill Suszynski, Amanda, no, that's Angela Serrano, I was on a roll, Kelly Higby, and Ashley Veo, and Dustin DeMaria, Dove wants to marry you, so look at her. Yes or no, fucker. Yeah. Pick a fucking answer here.

We're waiting. We're waiting. Let us know how it works out. Congratulations. Tell us about your romantic fucking fairy tale. Sorry if he said no. Yeah. Thank you guys so, so much, especially all of our Patreon supporters.

And then also thanks to we got a letter and he's the sweetest dude uh kevin blime or bleem his brother is serving uh in the military and uh they they talk about the show oh cool they fucking call each other and talk about this shit so thank you guys thank you for your service thanks for your donation and your and your meats you sent us the meats and we appreciate it thank you guys so much for doing what you do. Thank you so much, everybody. Honestly, thank you, thank you. We cannot thank you enough for everything you do for us.

It's wild, and we appreciate it. And as you can tell, this week, did you hear any ads? Not one. Not one. So thank you for contributing to the show and doing that. That definitely helps us in our enthusiasm for the show to not go, well, that was a lot of work for nothing. So, thank you so much for everything you do for us, honestly.

What if they wanted to thank you, Jimmy? Or give you a steroid-filled book? How can they do that? You can find me at WhismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N Sucks on Twitter and Instagram. Snapchat is gone.

I'm done with that shit. I tried so hard. I couldn't do it anymore. Good. I'm not 13. That's the thing. I'm done with that shit. I tried so hard. I couldn't do it anymore. Good. I'm not 13. That's the thing. I've got a penis. I'm glad you've come around.

Surprisingly enough. I'm glad you've come around. It's shocking. I knew it would happen eventually. I'm like, this isn't going to last. Twitter and Instagram. And I'm glad I stopped. I'm glad I didn't do it because I would have wasted a lot of time.

So much time. It would have been like clarinet lessons. It would have been a fucking waste of time. But thank you guys for being a part of this. So much time. It would have been like clarinet lessons. It would have just been a fucking waste of time. But thank you guys for being a part of this. I really, really appreciate it. I know James appreciates it, and my goddamn children appreciate it. So thank you. What about you?

Where can they find you? You can find me at Jimmy P is funny, or you can just copy and paste my name from the show description and do it that way so you don't make yourself crazy. So do that. Keep coming back every single week hanging out with us because it's never

going to stop god damn it craziness next two weeks are wild guys wild two big episodes interconnected

good shit check that out and keep doing that coming back and back and back and until next week everybody

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