Crime in Sports - #20 - The Grim Reaper Of Gambling - The Shamelessness of Art Schlichter

Episode Date: June 14, 2016

This week, we take a deep look at one of the biggest human disasters in the history of the NFL, sports, and general mankind. This all time draft bust has a 30 year legacy of professional disappointment, thievery, deception, degenerate behavior, and a trail of destroyed lives, and families that could challenge any person that Crime In Sports has ever, or will ever explore. With victims ranging from family, to friends, to substance abusing doctors, confused federal public defenders, and widows of major fast food corporation CEOs. Call your bookie, pay off your mob debts, and rob everyone you've ever met into bankruptcy with Art Schlichter!!Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Tuesday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Crime in Sports!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Small Town Murder Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/crimeinsportsInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] on Patreon: patreon.com/crimeinsportsPayPal: paypal.me/crimeinsports See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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For the week. First of all, we've got to address, I know everybody's addressed it and we've heard an ass full of it, but this Brock Turner asshole. I can't wait for that one. The Stanford swimming guy. I mean.

Fuck, that's going to be fun. I know everyone else has weighed in, but this is kind of our thing. So we should really weigh in on this. This is kind of our deal here, our niche. So this guy, let's just say this. First of all, I hope he ends up in a cell with nothing but Tom Payne and a dish towel, like we tweeted out, because that's what I said.

And also, when he gets out, I hope someday, maybe online somewhere, he finds love with Sally McNeil. That's what I hope. Episode seven or eight, one of those. And then he could try to rape her and she can throw a 70-pound barbell off the second deck on him and shoot him twice. As she's shooting him out the window like skeet. Beautiful.

When he has half a pound less of it. And then on top of that, I hope for, as a father, you're a father of a daughter too. I hope that dad who wrote that open letter really regrets what he wrote. I get that he's pleading for leniency for his son. And he's really hoping that his son is... He should be first in line kicking his son in the ass. That guy's a fucking asshole. If his boy rapes my daughter, I'm kicking his ass.

Yeah, that's the thing. The legal system will take care of Brock. I'm going to fuck that dad up. Then my son's going to kick his ass. And then my dad's going to kick his ass. That's the way it should work instead of writing open letters. Yeah, for real. Jana Marie Wells.

That was the lady I wanted to say. Oh, yeah, yeah. I love her. I love you, lady. Thank you. You rule, too. Go on. Thank you, guys.

All of you. Let's get into our scumbag week here. Here we go. Wow, Jimmy Wissman. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Every time, this is one of those stories that I looked at in the beginning when we first started this and I wanted to do, and then I started to get into it a little, and I was like, whoa, Every time, this is one of those stories that I looked at in the beginning when we first started this and I wanted to do

and then I started to get into a little and I was like, whoa, I'm not ready for that yet. Like the level of research that needs to go into this, I'm not up to that yet. I've got to start out with like a Ray Carruth

that had one thing that he did and I could focus on that. There's a legit novel in front of you right now. Now, this, I killed... Two of them. I killed three pens for the not even shitting you.

This is insanity. It's seriously index cards. There's big ones and little ones. The little ones are sporadically through the big ones. killed two of them i killed three pens yeah for the not even shitting you this is insanity it's seriously index cards there's big ones and little ones the little ones are sporadically through the big ones and it is an inch it's an inch and a half thick it's it's huge it's ridiculous so strap in because this is going to be a good one i'm telling you guys this is the deepest we've ever gone on anything because we just had to it was that much and it's this guy's such an asshole my goodness it's art schliester now it looks like schlichter right so if you've seen that name schlichter he's all often in the top five nfl draft bust lists all right he is ryan leaf before ryan leaf but with gambling instead

of drums basically that's what we have here i love it pure just shittiness thievery scum just he's just the most deceptive yeah a prosecutor later on calls him the best con man i've ever seen in my life like i'm an experienced 20-year prosecutor uh he's arthur ernest schliester he is born april 26th april 25th 1960 in washington courthouse ohio four days before my mom and an appropriate uh place of birth washington courthouse, Ohio. Four days before my mom. And an appropriate place of birth, Washington Courthouse, because he will be spending much time in courthouses. A lot of time there.

Much, much time in courthouses. He's got, his parents are Max and Mila, and they're going to come up a lot because his father is extremely overbearing. Yeah. His father dominates

every aspect of his life, and his mother's kind of the, like, doting, oh, my boy, you know. So it's a really stereotypical parents and they create a fucking disaster of a fucking sociopath white man it's a bad combination schleister what is is that german i have no idea if he's german if he's jewish because it sounds german his future wife's name is mitzi which is a pretty jewish i don't know what's going on here

he's one of i don't really give a shit it honestly. It doesn't matter. He's a great athlete and a complete asshole is the main... Perfect. He lines right up here. Yeah. He stays in Ohio, goes to Miami Trace High School, grows up to be a big kid. 6'3", 2'10". What state is this? Ohio. Okay. Miami, Ohio. Miami Trace High School. It's a small

little area, a little rural area. He is a god there. Of course. He is an athletic god. How big is he? 6'3", 210. Jesus. And this is in the 70s. So this is a big kid.

Big farm boy. He's got a good arm. Real confident guy. Everyone that encounters him says he's the best talker you've ever met. He could sell ice to an Eskimo. He's one of these guys. You know what I mean? He's just ridiculous.

His father was so overbearing, right? His friend of his, an old friend, said, quote, if Art had a question, his father would tell him what to do. He dictated every move. It made him an emotional cripple. Yeesh. That's what we're dealing with here. Yeah.

And it's bad. When he was at college, sometimes you'd call his father six times a day, which people found odd. That's weird. That's aberrant behavior. Yeah, yeah. You call your dad. It's like, I don't know what to have for lunch, Dad. Six times in a day. which people found odd. That's weird. That's aberrant behavior. Yeah, yeah. You call your dad. It's like,

I don't know what to have for lunch, Dad. Six times in a day. Hamburger or grilled cheese. I don't talk to my mom six times in a month. No, God no. Jesus.

I don't know. Man. What do you do? How do you, what do you need to do? Like I said, it literally has to be like, what do I eat for dinner, Dad?

Like, what do I do? Dad, how do I get out of this bedroom? Yeah. The door is shut. I need directions to the gas station. I need directions to my gas station. I need directions

to my toothbrush, Dad. Where's Dad? Do I do up and down with the toothbrush or side to side? Which do you think gets more food out? What the fuck?

Do you have a plaque method that you're... Dad, I started the car. Everything's fine. What are you calling me for? I just wanted to call you. I just wanted to talk. I just missed you.

I wanted to hear your voice. I haven't talked to you since I brushed my teeth. I wanted to hear your voice, man. What the fuck? I mean, I love... my son is seven right now, and I'd love for him to call me that much for, like, real reasons.

But for six times in a day? When they're an adult? Right. When they're 19, 20 years old? Figure the fuck out. Yeah, go. You're 20 years old, you're a college football star. Go have sex with girls.

What are you calling me for? Go. Stop. What do you need to talk to your dad that much for? So there's a guy here, Bill Hanners. Now, Bill Hanners is like a lifelong friend. He's his best friend and wide receiver in high school, that sort of thing. I can see that relationship picking up.

Yeah, they're like best buddies. Basically, Hanners says that Art started gambling in high school. They would go to the Scioto Downs racetrack. Was it like an under-over on how much he's going to call his dad that day? I think, yeah, later on they got to that. They're like, Art, yeah, they're betting on Art. So they go to the racetrack.

Hanner's parents trained horses, and Art's, by the way, we're going to see here, his parents have a little doe, which I think helps him out, too. His parents bought a half-steak and a race him out too uh his parents bought a half steak and a racehorse back then like my parents never had any steak in any fucking horses so a racehorse named phantom brett and uh so they go to the track and you know they start throwing down bets and this would continue as we'll see on something to show um basically hanner said he's a lunatic the

whole time he he said he never did drugs or alcohol he was a thrill guy yeah he's one of these guys would be jumping out of planes or bungee jumping or some crazy shit if he was like in the 90s we're putting his mortgage or his fucking car payment on a horse more than that as we'll see uh he needed to be on edge he said art would drive home fridays after school like a lunatic basically he said quote he'd take a curve on a gravel road at 60 miles an hour when we should have been going 30. I'm not going to say

he thought he was invincible, but there was always that edge. So that's the type of guy he's always... And it's with everything. It's with everything and mainly gambling. He, everybody,

his friends said he was treated differently in life. He said, Art was put on this throne growing up and was backed up and reinforced by everyone. He had a great heart

but he knew he didn't have to play by the same rules as everyone else. Was he an only child? No. He wasn't. He was the oldest though. So he's the baby.

His brothers and sisters resented him for this thing because the parents I fucking would too. Yes, Max ignored them because Max wanted to be a football star and never was.

The father. Art is living through Art. Yeah, absolutely. He absolutely is living through Art. Yeah, absolutely. Are we sure that he was calling his dad and his dad wasn't calling him? Yeah, no shit. It probably was. Hey, Art. Can I smell your finger?

You're dropping that elbow, Art. Can I smell your finger? Follow through, Art. You've got to follow through on that pass. Really, stick it in there. He says if he'd get stuck in traffic in Columbus, he'd just drive on the sidewalk or whatever. He was pulled over often but rarely ticketed. He could talk his way out of almost any tighted. He could talk his way out of almost

any tight spot. He'd talk his way out of anything. He was very smooth and extremely smart. Jesus. And that's what we're dealing with. He gets to Ohio State. He goes there. 78 is his freshman year. He's called King Arthur when he arrives. Oh, God. I didn't even think about that. He's a local boy. He's an Ohio

guy. He's going to Ohio State. He's King James. He's the local boy. He's an Ohio guy. He's going to Ohio State. He's King James. He's the original King James of Ohio. Ohio needs something at this point. They always need somebody. When one falls, they get another. Now, before we go on, I just want to, this is a public service to the listeners out there. Just in case something happens, your phone dies, you somehow stop this episode and you don't hear the rest of it,

I just have to give you a word of advice. somehow stop this episode and you don't hear the rest of it yeah i just have to give you a word of advice if you ever in your life encounter arch leaster just never give him money i'm just going to tell you that right up front before we get into the whole thing don't give him a dime i would rather invest my money in a company run by ceo ryan leaf president eddie johnson and chief financial officer lenny dyk. It would be a better fucking investment than giving this guy a dime. I wouldn't give this guy money for a payphone in 1975.

Unbelievable. Nothing. So he gets to Ohio State. This is under Woody Hayes. Oh yeah, that's a big deal. He got to play for Woody. He did for a year because he has a role in Woody's downfall. Inadvertently, it's pretty fucking funny actually. We're going to play for Woody. He did for a year because he has a role in Woody's downfall. Inadvertently, it's pretty fucking funny, actually.

We're going to get into that. A lot of people have used it. They still fucking stroke that old man. Oh, yeah. Holy shit. He played for, I mean, Jesus, Woody Hayes was 27 years, five national championships. Huge in Ohio. He was huge.

So he's a four-year starter at Ohio State. The Ohio State. The Ohio State University. And he's got good numbers. Back then, his completion percentage is like 52.3% career, which back then was actually okay. Pretty average. Good touchdown to pick ratio. His sophomore year, he was fourth in the Heisman voting. Wow.

Junior year, sixth in the Heisman voting. He had it going. Yeah, senior year, fifth in the Heisman voting. He's right there. He's right there. He's going to be in the NFL. As a freshman, yeah, oh, no, it's definite. Yeah, it's happening.

He's King Arthur, goddammit. So as a freshman, this is what happens here. Freshman in the Gator Bowl, Woody Hayes is down in the ball here. He throws, it's against Clemson. He throws a late-game pick. They're in the lead, Ohio State, at this point. He throws a late-game pick. It's intercepted by a linebacker named Charlie Bow bowman who ends up on the ohio state sideline

gets tackled over there woody hayes hits the guy in the throat oh woody hayes punches a baller ass coach an old ass man punches him in the fucking throat okay so there's a this leads to a melee obviously there's a legendary coach is punching a linebacker at this point. So Woody Hayes ends up getting fired after 27 years and five national championships. For that? Like the next day after that. They were like, okay, can't do that shit. Wow.

That's on national television. Belichick could punch Harrison right in the throat. Yeah, college though. You can't punch some 18-year-old kid in the throat for making a nice play in a bowl game. Yeah, that's assault. It's assault. It's a little wacky, too, just in the whole scheme of things. Now, sophomore year, they went to the Rose Bowl against Michigan, and this was for the national championship, and they lost 16-15. That's a heartbreaker. That's a heartbreaker. And

it's so funny because his coach and his... In the national championship, you lose by one point. Yeek. That's rough, man. That hurts. And he's a smart kid. One of the scouts said, nobody in collegiate football audibles at the line of scrimmage

any better than Art Schlichter. So that means he's a smart son of a bitch. He's doing all the Peyton Manning kind of shit. He's Omaha-ing like a motherfucker. He's reading defenses and figuring shit out. Now we encounter our first silver-haired, middle-aged white man of the fucking week here and there is a lot of them in this story because this guy just

keeps getting chance after chance after chance this i want you guys to count two things keep a tally if you would okay one fluff pieces that we go to because this is i've never seen a roller coaster of he's back he's good now oh shit now he back, oh now he's okay, oh now he's not. So count fluff pieces, count silver-haired middle-aged white men. Keep a tally, because there's going to be a few of them. It's like a drinking game. It is. Number one is Coach Bruce Earl.

He comes in. He is seen at the track with Schliester gambling on horses in his sophomore year. So I mean, this is fine behavior. This is just a couple of guys going to the track. They're not looking at his gambling as a problem at this point. It's just a bonding experience for him and Coach Earl. It absolutely is. But at the same time, I don't know if it's unknowns to Coach Earl or what,

he is out of control. His friend Tim Bobst, who Bobst, remember this name because he's going to come back later in a big way. He said Art would walk down the halls of Ohio State, down the dorm rooms at 2 a.m., just banging on every door, seeing if anyone wanted to bet on backgammon. Jesus. Two in the morning, backgammon. He's figuring out what's up in the bed. Guys, there's two crickets. Let's see which one jumps first. That's the thing. I heard this. I read this book called Mindhunter by John Douglas. He's the guy that started the FBI profiling program.

He gets really into this. And he says before he was doing the profiling, he was doing vice. And he was talking to a gambler that he arrested before the Super Bowl. And the guy, he was saying, you know, why don't you stop gambling? And the guy said, it's not about that. He said, you can lock us all up for 100 years. We're still going to gamble. And he said it was raining outside.

They were in the back of the car, and there was two raindrops on the window. And he said, you could take away all the sports. You could take away everything. He says, you see that right there? We'll bet on the raindrops. Yeah, he said, which one do you think is going to go down to the bottom first? That's all. And he said, that's what it is.

If you have that in you, you're going to see everything. If you lock us in a room, eventually we're going to get pancakes, and we're going to mark one side, and we'll flip that pancake. And that's it. See who wins. That's what art has, man, and it keeps coming back. That is an illness. It's a serious illness.

Bob said that in poker, he said that art usually won and that he always bet more than anyone else. He said if you put down $1.25, he'd throw down $5 or $6 and he'd try to bully you. That was his betting style. Art says, in their own words, fire it up here. And there's a lot of quotes from him because this guy, he's a silver-tongued son of a bitch.

Later on, he does radio talk shows. He's on Donahue. How many kids does he have? Two little girls. Well, not little anymore, but two little girls. He talked two broads into banging him. Same woman, actually. Same woman.

But he kept talking her into coming back, and this poor woman. Holy shit. We'll get into poor Mitzi. But, woof. This is talking about his junior year at Ohio State. Sophomore to junior year, 79, 80. He says, quote, in their own words, quote,

I was betting hundreds of dollars a night. I stopped working out as much. I had troubles in my relation trips. Gambling became more important to me than football, schooling, or even relationships with girls. Gambling is more important than pussy? a to a 20 year old kid and football that's a problem and major oh hi i mean major something that's gonna help me throughout the rest of my life yeah i mean wow and now junior year 80 it starts getting real deep he starts betting sports this is his problem there's a big deal this is not back amming anymore no this is like you're getting deep he starts betting sports this is his problem there's a big deal this is not back am and anymore no this is like you're getting deep he said he would bet four to five grand in a

weekend in a week how old was he 20 he's a junior how does he have that money he said he had some money from raising a steer or something his family had a branch from raising a steer or a horse or something so he had some money that like he would get if he them. They would sell it and then give him a chunk. So he had like 15 grand in the bank, and I guess he was bankrolling on that. And he was just bankrolling it and bookying it up. But it was bad. By his winter junior year, he said he owed over five grand to a bookie friend of his. I can imagine how that would happen.

And his parents had to bail him out, and Max was not happy. Max slapped him around. He said for the first and only time in his life Max hit him and said, what the fuck is wrong with you? Good. Yeah, it didn't help at all. He didn't hit him hard enough. He didn't hit him hard enough.

But apparently a lot of people. See, here's the thing. That's what bookies do when you don't pay is they bully you. They beat you around. Yeah. But they'll break something and that's a reminder to, holy shit, I better pay this. Max, you should have broke a fucking leg. The problem with this is maybe he got hit in the head a couple of many two times.

He says later on there's issues with... You know what? I just realized it anyway. Max can't break anything on that kid. That's the fucking meal ticket. That's his golden boy. He wants to see this kid in the NFL. He needs to play.

He's like, stop. You're ruining my dream. He can't blow out his fucking knee. He's saying, stop. You're ruining my dream. Stop fucking up. You're ruining your... I mean, my dream.

Yeah, I mean, you're doing this to me. I mean, you. Stop doing this to yourself. I mean, you. Stop doing this to yourself. Stop doing this to us. Damn it. So, yeah, it's not good. His father gets him out of a jam here, but he's just in bad shape. I mean, the whole thing.

He, 81 here, in August of 1981, he appears in court for his third traffic offense in less than a year. And this is a big one. It's a reckless driving. He was going 84 miles an hour. On a gravel road on a 30. Probably. That's the thing. He's a lunatic. The judge, there's this certain judge that he keeps getting that keeps suspending sentences and not doing anything. Now, there's another silver-haired middle-aged white man. There's another one. This is number two. There's one judge here. And this judge actually warrants an inquiry from a panel into why they kept letting this guy go. Because another judge draws one and he says, no, I'm not going to suspend the sentence on your third violation in less than a year with a reckless driving.

This is up to 60 days in jail, $500 fine. This is already a pattern, sir. Yeah. You're fucking 21. So anyway, he ends up getting a fine and all this shit. He actually made Schliester appear in court. Good. So he summons all that shit.

Hopefully that'll straighten him out. Yeah, you would think, right? Now, at this point in time, too, in 1981, there's a book that's released. And it's still available, barely. It's on rarebooklink.com. Perfect. A company called John K. King Used in Rare Books. And it's so rare because it's called, quote,

Straight Arrow, the Arch Leaster story from Landfall Press in 1981. There's the fluff piece. You can get it for $25. There's fluff piece number one. There's fluff piece one. Well, there hasn't been a downfall yet. So we'll whatever. But that's what everyone thinks of him right now,

and they have no idea there's gambling under the surface and all this. College career comes to an end. 1982 draft. Here we go with one of the biggest draft busts ever, okay? He is drafted number four by the Baltimore Colts at this point. This helped set up the whole disaster of Baltimore moving to Indianapolis. The John Elway debacle. Because this is the year before Elway.

So basically they draft Schliester to be their quarterback of the future, number four. Now if he turns out to be a great guy, they don't even look at Elway the next year. They don't even have the number one draft pick because they're not the worst team in the fucking league. So the Elway thing doesn't happen. That whole disaster doesn't occur. Wow. And anyway, they end up moving to Indianapolis. Elway doesn't threaten to go to the Yankees.

Exactly. They end up moving to Indianapolis in 84. Anyway, so he's drafted here. These idiots. Here are some other people they could have had instead of him. Okay? Number five was Jim McMahon. Wow.

Right after him by the Bears. The 85 championship, right. The funky QB himself, Jim McMahon, as. Right after him by the Bears. The 85 championship, right. The funky QB himself, Jim McMahon, as we all know from the 85 Bears. If you don't know Jim McMahon, look him up. He's a legend. He's their quarterback. He's the only quarterback in Chicago that won a championship. Absolutely.

Grand total of seven Pro Bowlers and two Hall of Famers taken in the first round. Oh, my God. Who are the Hall of Famers? Behind him, okay. We have Mike Munchak at number eight. Houston guard forever, who's a Hall of Famer. At number nine, Gerald Riggs, the Atlanta running back, who was a pro bowler.

Number 10, Marcus Allen, the Hall of Fame running back. Number 16, Louis Sharp by the Cardinals, the tackle. He's a pro bowler, but we'll probably end up doing an episode on him later. He had some issues. So maybe that was a bad choice. But at least he was good for a few years. He figured it out to be a big deal in that draft. Yeah, he was a pro bowler at one point.

Mike Quick, the receiver from Philly at number 20, is a really good receiver in the 90s. And Roy Foster, a guard for Miami, number 24, pro bowler, offensive lineman, would have done better. Also, they drafted, first in the fourth round, they drafted Mike Pagel as another quarterback, and he'll come up here because he's going to take Art's job. So they needed a quarterback.

Bad. And they drafted him before McMahon was drafted. And he's supposed to be the guy. He's supposed to be it. He's supposed to be the guy. And, you know, as somebody looking at stats, I can imagine, not stats, I guess size in that league, you're looking at a guy that's 6'3".

McMahon's maybe, what, 6'0"? 5'10"? 5'11"? He's 6'2". Is he that big? Yeah, yeah. I didn't think he was that big. And he threw the ball all over the place at BYU.

He set records. He was a beast in college. Right, right. But they looked at Schliester as like he's a pro-style quarterback, basically. Stand in the pocket. Yeah. McMahon could run, too. And also, too, if you know the cults at that time they were real

kind of hard ass like frank cush was the coach he was a dick he would have never wanted jim mcmahon in a million fucking years like jim mcmahon was a loud mouth yeah schliester was seen as like a real clean straight arrow right 1981 landmark books or whatever slam fall whatever the fuck it was straight arrow arch leaster that's what they clearly didn't know about his backgammon rookie game yeah it didn't yeah this it comes up rookie year he only plays in three games wow 17 of 37 passing for 45.9 197 yards on the season on the season no touchdowns two picks because he lost his job to mike pagel all right who the coach said uh within five minutes of training camp they knew that pagel was better than five minutes he said it's at least 17 of 34 17 of 37 37 that's not even 46 percent yeah 45.9 jesus so rookie year not doing great in 82 on the field off the field

he's doing way worse yeah he gets a 300300,000 and this is coming from him. All the numbers we're going to say, whether he stole this much or that much, they're all disputed. I'm going to give you the numbers I saw the most often. And this is actually his number here on this one from his book. Jesus, I read everything. So he blew

1982, he got a $300,000 signing bonus. I think it was a $400,000 but he said he ended up with about $300,000 in the bank. Okay. And he blew it in seven weeks. Whoa. Seven weeks of 1982 money. Well, I guess that makes sense

because he's going through probably $75,000, maybe $50,000 for agent fee. It's insane. And then you throw some taxes out. Taxes and, you know, that mixed with a salary. Probably $289,000, $290,000, somewhere in there. Yeah, he spent about $300,000, seven weeks that last. Seven fucking weeks. Yeah. out and you know that mixed with a salary and probably 289 290 somewhere in there about 300k seven weeks at last seven not even two weeks yeah uh started borrowing money from banks at this point

that's how deep he is oh my god rookie for fuck's sake um and he's playing three games on the season three games now in his run he he was playing a lot of games off the field as we'll see all right it starts out he has three bookies in balt he gets there, okay? This is Sid, Sonny, and Sam. Already. Sid, Sonny, and Sam, right away. Sounds like a fucking Three Stooges thing. Absolutely.

These are friends of Bill Hanner's. Bill Hanner sets him up with these guys. The racetrack wide receiver buddy there. Art went by Fred. So they're going to refer to him as Fred here. First bet,

first day of betting, he won 18 grand with these guys. Wow. So he gets to Baltimore. Fred here. First day of betting, he won $18,000 with these guys. So he gets to Baltimore. He's king of the fucking world, right? Wins $18,000 right away. Now, this is funny. Like I said, he lost all that money to them, whatever. After his rookie year, he comes home one night,

and he put $3,000 each on each game for 12 NBA games. $3,000 each on each game for 12 NBA games. $3,000 each. $36,000. In a night, okay? So Sonny the bookie calls Fred Hanners and says, or calls Bill Hanners and says, quote, Fred went off the deep end. He lost his fucking mind.

Sonny was worried that he wasn't going to be able to cover his losses, obviously, a smart businessman. $36,000, that's a lot of money. He's a bookie. You don't get in that business for being stupid apparently you know your shit so um he said so hanners tells sonny to cut the bets in half right yeah confronts art about it he's like what the fuck are you doing you're these are my guys what are you doing art's pissed he's like how do you cut my bets in half he's you know he's cocky yeah he's how do you cut my bets this is my money that i'm laying down yeah

yeah you're gonna get yourself fucking killed and and it's going to be on me. That night, Art goes 11-1. Wow. Wins $136,000. He could have won, obviously. Twice that. Twice that. So three days later, he's in the hole for 48K.

48 grand three days later. I'm on a hot streak. So they want their money, and he doesn't have their money. This is in between. He's not getting a paycheck. His signing bonus is gone, and he doesn't have their money. No. This is in between. He's not getting a paycheck. His signing bonus is gone because you get your paycheck during the season. Right. Off season, you don't get shit.

So he's got no fucking money at this point. He quotes Sonny, the bookie, told Hanners, quote, Fred won't throw too good if his right arm is broke. Awesome. So now he's in deep. Now he's an NFL quarterback who's got bookies threatening to break his right arm. Somebody's making the right threats. And the league would hate this this also if you can imagine because they don't want you know their

number four draft pick being beholden to guys that make them throw interceptions when they don't want to or things like that you know um so basically the next three weeks hanners meets hanners meets sunny at the columbusny flies in, gets an envelope with 10 grand, flies back to Baltimore. Wow. That's the story. Each of three weeks this goes on. Fourth week, Hanners wasn't there, but there was the FBI waiting for Sonny because this shit got too hot for Art.

And Art went to the NFL and went to the FBI and said, this is too deep for me. Look what I've done. You guys need to clean this up. He got scared. He got scared and he went there. And so the NFL suspends him indefinitely. Of course.

Get the fuck out of here. Fuck off, sir. You, sir, may fuck off. The FBI rounds up these bookies. They end up getting various sentences up to five years in prison. They're not too happy, as you can imagine. Art should be very scared. Yes. Deacon Jones, as a matter of fact.

What? Do we know who Deacon Jones is, everybody? That sounds very familiar. Deacon Jones is like the all-time, if they counted sacks in the 60s and 70s, he'd be the all-time sack leader. He's a legend. It's kind of a big deal.

One of the best quotes there ever is, too. He's the guy with the head slap. You know what I mean? He does a bit of the head slap. He has this video where he goes, if you slap a man upside his head, or a they're gonna stop and you're like or a woman wait a minute deacon slow down look at an offensive lineman what are you doing he's a crazy bastard he's huge he's like maybe it was just before his time and he's just like yeah at some point there's

gonna be women in this league yeah he was being a feminist at that point he's like six foot seven 280 pounds he's a monster around he says about this is in the gainesville sun from april 14th 1983 he says of i'm sorry 84 he says uh quote his life is in real danger if i was a teammate of his i'd hate to sit down next to him on the bench because a sniper might take a shot at him and might miss yeah exactly shoot i'd hate to even fly in the same plane with him to a game. The mob may have put a bomb on the plane specifically for him. He knows that it's that bad.

So this is Deacon Jones who's like, I wouldn't want that guy on my team. I'll smack him up. I'll smack a woman in the head, Brian, sitting next to that man. Not him on the field. Hell no. So, yeah, he's suspended. This is an article from the Toledo Blade.

His status is to be reexamined by Pete Rozelle here before the 1984 season, but he's suspended for 83. He's gone. He admits to gambling on horses and at least 10 NFL games during the 1982 season. Wow. At least 10 NFL games during the 82 season. So this is like... He's betting on what he's playing. Yeah, he did not.

Pete Rozelle was the commissioner of the NFL, the Roger Goodell of back then, said that he believed him when he said he didn't bet on Colts games. Very self-serving belief. Let's just say you didn't bet on Colts games. Let's just believe him. Let's just not say that you bet against your own team. Let's all buy into what he's saying.

And he says he does not bet against the Colts. So he's suspended for 83. He says, in their own words, on the length of his suspension, it was indefinite at that time, he says, quote, I think the NFL understands the drug problem a little better. I don't think they understand the compulsive gambling problem.

I would say it's fair in the fact that I broke the rules, but it's unfair in the fact that I don't think they really understand it. I think it's fair in the fact that you understand you're not supposed to bet on NFL games and you're a quarterback, you dipshit. I think that's understood. I think they understand that you are not to be fucking laying money on games that you're playing. Back then, these guys weren't, the NFL back then, you weren't allowed to gamble on anything. Like, you couldn't bet on, it should be like that still. They caught you betting on a fucking card game with your friend, they'd be pissed off.

Well, now they can cover their bullshit bets probably. But back then, he was making $140,000 a year, which is a lot back then, but it's not $20,000,000. Yeah, but I feel like if... You'd lose that in a weekend with this guy's habits. He can figure it out. He can figure out $20,000,000. I think he could get rid of that pretty easily.

He almost does in his life. That's the sad part. I think he just makes the bet bigger just because he's got it. Yeah, and says of the suspension the commissioner here he says quote whether the game whether the gambling is prompted by uncontrollable impulse or not schliester cannot be permitted to be active in the nfl until the league can be solidly assured that the serious violations of cardinal nfl rules he has committed will not be repeated. So they are saying, we are going to make sure he is on the up and up. Gambling, no.

Gambling, no. Play football. So he is reinstated in 1984. Oh, they figured it out? For the 84 season. They are injured. Well, Pete Rozelle here in June of 84 thinks it's all under control. He says, quote, doctors believe that Art's condition is under control

and that his chances of relapse are minimal. Everything's fine. Get on out there and take a snap, my friend. Rozelle, you are number three of silver-haired white men then. believe that Art's condition is under control and that his chances of relapse are minimal. Everything's fine. Get on out there and take a snap, my friend. Roselle, you are number three of silver-haired white men, then. He is number three. He's not really silver-haired. He's bald, but we'll still give it to him. If he had it, he would be one.

And this is from a guy who says in their own words, quote, you chase that first dollar forever and ever. You become a full-blown addict. And that's what he's doing right now. Forever and ever, Roselle. So he had a 14-month suspension. It's the 21st of june he's reinstated uh december 84 on the field plays in nine games not great 62 of 140 44.3 percent he's hanging on to that 40 something percent yeah 702 yards three touchdowns seven, seven picks. Yeesh. On the field, not going great. But he's in the NFL, which is good.

Is he starting? He can't be starting. No, he's cleaning up, mopping up. Pagel's hurt now and then. And this is, you know, 84. This is when they moved to Indianapolis in 84. They're a disaster post-John Elway. They have that, you know, it's not going great here.

But it's going well. He's in the NFL anyway. He meets December of 84. He meets mitzi who is his future wife right now she's a ball state university journalism student she had no idea who he was didn't know he was the ball states in indiana and she didn't know he was the cults quarterback she had no clue not really a good journalist yeah not not good at journalistic instincts here you're in ball state you should be covering something. So now it goes through 85.

He's hanging out with Mitzi. He plays in one game in 85. Wow. One game. It really fell off. 12 of 25, 48%, 107 yards, no touchdowns, two picks, and he's shit-canned. Wow.

They shit-can him early in the season. He's consistent. He's consistently pretty mediocre. He's consistently shitty, but he's consistent. Very mediocre. He's gone. season he's consistent he's consistently he's consistently shitty yeah he's consistent very mediocre he uh he's gone they bring in somebody they bring in another kid where they said basically we'd rather bring in somebody with some hope yeah he's not a hope right total career he has three touchdowns 11 picks for 100 1006 yards not a great nfl career at all just a a bust yeah complete bust

he's gonna try to come back. Those are numbers that a number four wide out in the depth chart has. That's terrible. That's it. I mean, he's waived. It's October 8th, 85. So that's right in the beginning of the season. Oh, it's the first game.

Started game one against Pittsburgh. Was injured. They brought in Mike Bagel. Said goodbye. And Coach Rod Dauhauser at the time insisted that it had nothing to do with gambling i don't have anything to do with gambling i fucking sucks at football he sucks and i think it also has that's yeah if he was a nice guy i think they would have tried to bring him along maybe but those are not starting quarterback numbers sorry those are terrible arts in their

own words he just doesn't get it no later on he gets how to like pretend like he gets it but now he's still an asshole. He says, 85, this is about being waived in 85, in their own words, quote, I don't think I had a fair chance. I have to deal with it and go on from there. It's not the toughest thing I ever went through. So he thinks he's going to come out of this. What is the toughest thing?

I don't know. Probably going to the FBI. I would imagine that you were going to be killed. Making a decision to call fucking the Untouchables? Apparently. So, spring of 86, he's signed by Buffalo. Things are looking up by the Bills. Problem is, the USFL folds at that point.

Jim Kelly comes from Houston, from USFL. They don't need another. They need one less quarterback. Goodbye, Archie Lee. We need a guy that's going to lose four Super Bowls. Goodbye. And it's so funny. You know what team Jim Kelly came from?

No. The Houston Gamblers. Is that right? Houston Gamblers. Gambling every fucking time. Gambling ruined his life again. Again. He's like, gambling.

Damn you. So now we go to 1986. Still same thing. This is after he's, you know, shit-canned out of there. There's an article in the Milwaukee Journal that says the packers aren't interested in art at all i guess arts agents have been calling the packers and they said they they have no they have quote no plans to return the calls listen we're not going to return your calls and we're going to we're going to tell you that we're not going to return your calls by putting out a fucking press release and that

we want everybody to know that we want nothing to do with you not us because it was rumors that they were going to sign him so they put out a thing going no close we won't even return the calls i guess i think the agent was calling them and then calling the press going hey you know we're going to do that that's a fucking aggressive move that's an aggressive move so we get to january of 87 his football career is over. He is now arrested for his part in betting in a gambling operation. He's just a bettor. They staked out a bookie operation for a while. He's their top client. Wow.

So they bring him in, too. He turns himself in to Indianapolis police. At this point, he's released on his own recognizance. He's still an upstanding, decent citizen. The charge carries a maximum of six months in jail and $500 fine. It's unlawful gambling. Apparently 13 people were arrested, most everyone else with heavier charges. They just brought him in because he was famous.

Makes the bust be on the front page of the paper. Whatever. Hey, Green Bay doesn't want anything to do with you, but we do. Yeah, we'll take it. They have recordings of Art making bets amount amounting to this is in a 70 day period seven zero so two months and ten days uh 232 225 that is 3317 a day wow gambling he would have been better off smoking crack while fucking eight hookers yeah he would have still come up out on top yeah even if he did that at much as he could. At least you're going to get something for it.

At least get AIDS or something that reminds you about it. No shit. I mean, he says about it, this is his quote in their own words, quote, it'll work out. Everything will be fine. Sometimes this is the way it happens. He's very cheery.

Yeah, I'm battling an insidious disease, gambling. You get behind the eight ball and it's tough to get out, but I'll lick it. It's good. No sweat. No worries. You're done with the career. You're out of the NFL.

It's over. I'll lick it. I'll lick it. So with this, he gets six months probation for this affair, a $10 fine, and $74 in court fees. That was hard to find by the way that's steep that was yeah 10 bucks just shelling out so can i pay all that at once uh let's see here um 1987 now we get to september 87 is right before the 87 season what's he doing for money i this we're

gonna get into i know exactly what he made in 87, actually, too. We'll get into it from a court document from the next year. The Cincinnati Bengals show interest in him. Hometown guy. Not hometown, but home state guy. But he has to apply for reinstatement in the league because after his last gambling bust in 87, they said, okay, we don't want you back no matter what. Go away for a while.

Yeah, but this is like six months later. Commissioner Pete Rozelle again says, quote, I think Garda's made very strong progress in resolving his problem. However, I think more time would be necessary for him to really be on solid ground with his new program. No. Not yet. You can go the fuck away. Give us some time.

So not eligible to play. 1988 comes around. He files for bankruptcy. Filing for bankruptcy. He lists debts of a million dollars and a previous 1987 year income of $3,800. $3,800. He was betting about that every day. Yeah. On the average. So what the fuck was he doing? I have no clue. I don't know. Who knows? He's deep in and out. Yeah. 88. He signs with the Ottawa Rough Riders of the Canadian football league. Why do those

Rough Riders keep coming up? They'll sign anybody. They will. Robert Rozier. They'll take everybody. Bring them over the border, guys. If you can get your sorry ass over the border, we will take you. If you're clean in the U.S. and can get through customs, come on through. Sit at the Tim Hortons.

Pull up a chair. You're more than welcome up here, guys. So he signs with them. It's $100,000 a year. January of 89 he marries mitzi so things are looking up i mean he's playing football for the team they call the rough riders it's not that great but he's married it's you know he's not in prison at this point so he's good he's not dead yeah september of 89 he's hurt and he's released from the rough riders at this

point released from ottawa moves back to Ohio. Right away, within two weeks, he's arrested for writing a bad check in Ohio. Just immediately. He's given a fine and a suspended sentence there. Jesus. This is just, it's building, it's building. Everything is so lenient. It's very lenient for him

because these are misdemeanors, most of them. He hasn't gotten into a strong felony. Yeah, it's all little shit. Which we'll get in later. And he's, you know, he's a known public figure. Yeah. They're like, eh, whatever. I don't understand why they're doing this anyway.

I mean, if we compare it to... Damn it, I'm forgetting who did it. Was it Rozier that passed the bad check? Yeah, all over the country. He ended up getting his mic and president. I guess it was because there was a bunch of them. Well, he was on probation for six murders and all that shit. So that's why he paroled for six murders. So they were so they were like third strike assholes these aren't felonies so far

that was felonious too later on he has so many felonies good god uh late 89 he spends three weeks in a charter hospital uh charter hospital rehab center in las vegas he should never that's a bad place what who sends Who sentenced him to Vegas? Shockingly, he gets out of the rehab center, calls Mitzi up, and tells her, I love Las Vegas.

We're moving to Las Vegas. This place is amazing. You have to see the lights. Yeah, let's do it. He just had a young daughter. He said, pack up the little girl. Bring her here.

Bring her to the desert. Let's do it. Cheap buffets. Guess what he does right away? Gambles. Starts gambling again. Fucking shocker, isn't it? So, I again so i mean that's so things 89 is rocky uh 1990 he signs with the arena league team with an arena league team the detroit drive all right so he's getting back into football he signs with the uh

arena league detroit he wins the league mvp wow 90 he takes them to an arena league, arena bowl title. They win the arena league Super Bowl and he's the league MVP. Where's this fluff piece? Oh, there's a hundred of them at this point. Back from the dead. Yeah. Holy shit. I mean, it's amazing.

91, he goes back to the arena bowl with Detroit, but they lose. Still has a great year. That's his real fine year. 92, they decide they don't want him anymore. They trade him to an expansion team, Cincinnati Rockers, who want him for the hometown tie. Yeah. Exactly.

Has his best statistical season of any football season he's ever played in 92. But at the end of the year also to at this point he starts hosting his own sports talk show oh no um in w-s-a-i in cincinnati does a three to six drive time so he's following everything still keeping an eye on what's what scores where for him he goes back there he gets a little salary keeps his name in he's got a show and then this helps him promote the rockers this is a this is an expansion team so he'd ask it in the cross promotion and like a motherfucker synergy or whatever they call it but still that gives him the opportunity to follow every sport and keep tabs on sports scores and he does that that's a problem to them about and he talks to callers about oh no i mean it comes up you know

what i mean and they know that he's a gambler so this is this is all from a big fluff piece in the cincinnati magazine 1992 in cincinnati magazine uh at the time i guess that radio station was So this is all from a big fluff piece in a Cincinnati magazine, 1992. In Cincinnati magazine, at the time, I guess that radio station had no listeners, so they were trying to get some juice going. He appears on the Phil Donahue show at this point in 92, talking about gambling and his NFL past. That's a silver-haired, middle-aged white man. That's as silver-haired and middle-aged as you get, Jimmy.

That's what I was just going to say. Good Lord. He's got the silverest hair of anyone on earth. Of anybody ever. If you're too young for Phil Donahue, look him up. silver-haired and middle-aged as you get jimmy that's what i was just gonna say good lord he's got the silverest hair yeah anybody ever if you're too young for phil donahue look him up google the shit out of that man and watch his hair yeah and he and at this point too is a very huggy touchy i mean he'd have like people being combative but he was like saying now you know hey this could happen anybody and he was real like he was really good on the show everybody said fucking guy's a master talker got everybody on his side he was great awful um yeah absolutely he is um he quits the rockers in 92 yeah we think because i think they kind of knew to quit because he gets arrested for

passing at two bad checks in ohio two weeks before the of the season. One of them is for a $500 convenience store check. What is he buying at a convenience store for $500? What are you, filling up RVs? Jesus! I don't know what he's doing. Are you filling up the truckers? You're like, hey, I got it. I'll take care of you. You could buy whatever they have in there

in 1982. They don't have $500 worth of stock. No way. Lottery tickets? Maybe he was buying scratchers. That's a good point. Scratchers maybe. I could see that. Were scratchers around

in that time? I hope so. Otherwise I have no fucking idea what he was buying. I need all of your jerky. Hold on. I'm going to put a

down payment on future jerky. Let me come in for the next two months. Just grab a handful of jerky. I'm going to get your back stock next week.

It's all good. Never plays pro ball again. This is it for him. He's done with pro ball at this point. Rockers were his last chance. 93, 94, he floats around.

94, he moves back to Las Vegas because he's offered a sports radio talk show because he's good at that in Vegas. So they all move back to Vegas, the whole family. And this is great.

They had him from 3 to 6 and then Pete Rose from 6 to 8 on the station. Oh, that's so awesome. So it was clear what they were doing. They'd talk all about... We're aiming at the scumbags. And they were talking about parlays and this and that.

And it was unabashed. We know about gambling. Right. Call us. His friend Ron here. Ron, who I love. You know he's an upstanding citizen because he doesn't want his last name.

I'm pretty sureon isn't his first name really that means in the witness protection program i'll tell you some shit but don't tell anyone who you got it from basically he said that of of uh art's time in vegas he said he'd bet on anything with a ball this is the best degenerate gambler quote i've ever heard a quote about a degenerate gambler he says quote he just couldn't. He had the worst beats of any guy I'd ever seen. It was like God wouldn't allow him to win. That's awesome. He's the worst gambler ever.

That's terrific. And at this point, what you want to do is bring more kids into the situation. Hell yeah. 94, a second daughter's born, so that's going to go well, you know. Obviously he can't win with gambling. No, he can't. 50% chance you get her pregnant or not, and it comes up pregnant. Days of the week, not so smart with those.

Days of the month. 1994 continues. He steals $16,500 from his sister-in-law, his wife's sister. Oh, my God. Takes checks from her, writes them out. Mitzi freaks out about this, obviously, because the FBI shows up in November at their door looking for her sister

because the checks were from a closed account. So they think the sister was pulling bank frauds, basically. And it's not. It's Art doing, you know, it's all forgery and shit. So they show up. They're looking for that. It's a huge mess. Art ends up getting arrested.

Mitzi, at this point, goes back to Ohio. Art follows her. Gets a job as a contractor briefly. On October 8, 1994, this was before. I'm sorry. This was November 8, 1994. He writes an $1,150 bad check to a grocery store in Ohio. It bounces. He's really just grocery store in Ohio. It bounces.

He really just overboard spends, too. It's fucking insane. $1,100 at the grocery store? What is he doing? What are you buying for $1,100? How many carts does that take? Hey, I'm here. I got bad checks I just need to spend.

I'll take all of aisle eight. If my cart is full, that's like $200. $220. Can I have the meat department? Yeah, what is he buying? I can't imagine. $220. Can I have the meat department? It's full. What is he buying? I can't imagine. $1,100 worth of shit is going to spoil. Yeah, you're not eating that.

Was he buying it for another football team? Was he starting his own football team? I'm going to feed them, then bet on them, and they're going to win. I don't know what he was doing here. So at this point, after the FBI and everything, now Mitzi moves to Indiana with the kids. She's going back home to Indiana. She's like, fuck this. I don't want any part of this anymore.

Arts and deep shit. He's charged with bank fraud in November of 1994 in Las Vegas. He's ordered held without bond. Good. So he's shit out of luck. Hang on to him for a while. Keep those checks fucking secure. Yeah, no shit.

Well, that was the thing, too. When he was playing for the Rockers, were giving him a a little stipend and they were giving the checks to his wife and he would get like you know three hundred dollars a month or something yeah there are comics that do that that are not allowed to get their check they can have a little bit of cash that's because they have gambling problems and they knew it and that's exactly what it was their check goes back home or to their agent or wherever it goes and she said like he said goes. And he said he checked in with his wife like six times a day. If he went to the store, he would be like, I'm still at the store. Don't worry.

I didn't run off and start gambling. I mean, that's how bad it was. Imagine this poor lady living like this. Oh, God, he's been gone for 12 minutes. It's only 10 minutes. Oh, Jesus Christ, he's probably gambling again. I mean, it's fucking insane. His bookie's 15 minutes away.

He's been gone for 22. We got a problem. So he agrees to a plea bargain in Vegas. And this isn't just... You got to keep like four miles worth of gas in your car for that to keep him from... To like keep a leash on him. Yeah, that's basically... Yeah, keep that.

Oh my God. Have a little remote that kills the fuel injector. Shut him down. He agrees to a plea bargain of 18 to 24 months in federal jail on sentencing to be done January 27, 1995. This is in November, and he's held until sentencing. Wow. So, turns out, not only was the 16 five from the sister-in-law, he also stole 500 grand of other money, at least 500 grand, from everyone he encountered. Wow.

He would take money from people. Now it makes sense how he survived. Yeah. He would scam money from people. Now it makes sense how he survived. Yeah. He would scam money from people at the radio stations. Callers would call in asking him advice.

He would call them back after the show and ask for cash and talk to them about gambling and be like, hey, I got a little venture here.

And this is when he started his ticket scheme. Oh, wow. This is his scheme that he does repeatedly later on. He says that he can get cheap tickets

to big events, Super Bowls, big football games, Final Fours, and he needs cash up front, and he's going to buy all these tickets, and he gets them below cost, and then he can sell them at a huge profit, and he'll get all your money back. What a fucking dick. Like I said, don't invest with Arch Leaster, okay? So he's doing this. Yeah, it's insane.

He said that in this article in 94 this is not a fluff piece no he says that advertisers would talk he would talk advertisers into paying him instead of the radio station instead of the radio station

yeah yeah I'll get it to him and another time he had some some station he like did a check scam with them where he was like yeah I got like 10 grand

in checks but I can't cash them for a week but I need 5 grand will you write me a check for five grand? You can hold these checks as collateral. And they're bad checks. And they would bounce.

Unbelievable. This one, some poor small company that just started advertising with a radio station, these people had to take out second mortgages on their home to not go out of business. Wow. From giving him $5,000. That was the difference between them surviving or not at that point. Unbelievable. So he's a complete piece of shit that has no no uh the casino a casino was taken for 12 grand in bad

checks a casino was taken for that much money how does casinos know better than that and they said he the manager at bally's said he was so good he said we went through all of our normal it was bally's like legit casino he wasn't going like the fucking dune down the street this wasn't the El Cortez he was at a good casino and they said we went through all of our normal precautions he's that good he fucking completely scammed us

he's the catch me if you can guy that's how good he is except he gets caught way more than Leonardo DiCaprio ever did so he gets an 18 to 24 month sentence in this. 18 to 24, so you're looking at almost two years. Yeah. Basically bounced $175,000 in checks as part of this, in addition to the bank fraud

and the theft. $175,000. In checks, plus the theft, plus bank fraud. Plus $500,000, plus the $16 the 16 000 that's a lot of fucking money yeah and then also gone he's got enough he's got other shit for for charges for another 50 000 in bad checks that he floated all around in indiana and ohio so they're trying to get it so he can serve the time all at the same time basically concurrently or whatever it's called yeah um so 94 is why now this is at this point his wife divorces him uh so she's done at this point

good for her yeah now move an article in november of 94 you're never gonna have a 401k mitzi no ever it's all you're so fucked you're gonna work a long time have a fucking 401 cents never mind any other thing there she couldn't have anything he would be like four bucks yeah i can gamble i could turn that into nine bucks before you know it i don't know what who's playing tonight he's a fucking lunatic this put a dollar on each and parlay 16 bucks tonight oh his father max has an annoying quote about this now in this article his father max is still pissed yeah he's not in the nfl yeah max is still fed up that is his dreams over too he says repeatedly my boy should

still be in the nfl my boy should be in the nfl right now this is in 94 he's saying this uh because he's like john elway's still in the nfl this one's still in the nfl john still get to he's gonna win two championships in five years he's literally saying that uh father says quote they let drug addicts have chance after chance after chance but the nfl wouldn't give art another chance he never reapplied after pete roselle embarrassed him he was afraid they would embarrass him again this guy embarrassment isn't his biggest concern first of all he embarrasses himself on a daily basis he's writing bad checks to fucking convenience stores fantastic embarrassment isn't his concern i don't think i i

i would reapply but i just i'm embarrassed so oh my goodness he's just overboard with the with the sympathy trying to get anybody's but he can he's still got an ego about him too it's huge it's ridiculous but he he's just a scum that was his dad but you know that's what's pumping right right right and here's his quote at sentencing in January of 95. He says, and this is as full of shit as you get, quote in their own words, quote, I'm terribly sorry for what I've done. I'm ashamed.

I hope I can someday prove I can be an honest person and get my life in honor. In other words, please don't sentence me to more than I already agreed to. Yeah, yeah. But he's still delusional about anything at all. Yeah. Inil of 95 he reaches a plea agreement in indiana for check charges and theft charges and fraud charges that that's going to be served at the same time um so that's going here uh in 1990 of 1994

he says that i at this point he had before this he had pawned his wife's wedding ring his holy shit yeah this is this is how bad it is in this 94 article this is a great in their own words quote At this point, before this, he had pawned his wife's wedding ring, his wedding ring. Holy shit. Yeah, this is how bad it is. In this 94 article, this is a great in their own words. Quote, I was probably at the worst part of my addiction. I stole money from my wife's purse. I was desperate at that point. I'd walk into a supermarket and write a bad check, or I'd tell a friend to hold a check

and it would be good in a couple of days, and it never was. I justified it to myself by saying I'd pay it all back. I'd never use the money for fancy cars or anything like that. It all went to gambling. We knew you were justifying it, that you were paying it all back, because that's what a fucking gambler does. But he's still, at this point, he's trying to go, I see the error of my ways.

I'm good. I'm good now. I'm good now, Eddie Johnson. It's the same fucking thing. Still back to the same thing. Somehow, he gets, now we get to 96 august of 96 he's released from federal prison okay this is august 29th uh or uh yeah he's released then uh he is he's on house arrest okay this is for like three weeks he's on house arrest yeah and in 96 on

august 29th he's arrested again again that. Yeah, he's again arrested for some shit he did before, which is he pleads innocent to two counts of felony forgery the next month. He borrowed $8,500 from a woman, gave her two $25,000 checks as collateral that he stole from his employer. Jesus Christ. His employer was Alexander Earthwork and Utilities in Westville, Indiana. He steals $50,000 worth of checks, gives it to her. They're worthless for $8,500 in a real check that will actually fucking cash.

That's going to make some money. Yeah. So he's going there. So he's put away there. Early August 1996, he's released from federal prison in Terre Haute, Indiana, which he was serving for that whole mess. Terre Haute's a bad place. Yeah, that which is he was serving for that whole mess. Terre Haute's a bad place. Yeah, that's when he gets arrested for that whole deal.

97, for this deal, he is sentenced to four years in an Indiana prison for stealing over $800,000 in various ways from a ton of different people. More. $800,000 more. More. This guy, you're talking about over two million dollars now his tentacles are into everything he is really just a fucking scum he's taking everything he can

from everyone he can while in prison he's given four years in indiana prison while in prison he's charged with four counts of illegal gambling after placing bets using a prison phone that they fucking monitor you dumb shit shit. Asshole. He won't repeat that, as we'll see later. He smartens up about what phones he uses and gets someone else in trouble because he just takes everyone down with him. He's like a drain that's just swirling. And if you get caught up in that current,

you are going down the fucking drain with this guy. Somehow, in September of 99, he's released from prison. Somehow they give him, he gets out two years early, does half his time. He's fucking up in prison after the 30th time he's been arrested. But let's let him out early. Yeah. September 99, they let him out early. Okay.

So goddamn lenient. It's amazing. So things are going. Everything seems to be okay. Seems to be. No. But until six U.S. Marshals arrest him on May 18, 2000 while he's using a payphone in an Ohio restaurant. Bust into the foyer.

He's on the payphone. They haul him out. Judge orders him sent back to Indiana where he has to face money laundering charges. Okay? Because listen to what this fucking asshole did. He figures you're going to get caught if you try to switch $50,000 worth of checks

for an $8,500 check. So the best thing to do is just filter it through something and then it comes out clean on the other end. They can't catch me. This is wild, Jimmy. So remember Tim Bobst? Remember old Tim Bob?

Get a fucking job, Schleester, you fucking prick. He doesn't get a job at all, ever. Well, he has one once a job at all ever well he has one once in a while but then he's just writing bad checks so he gets a job long enough to get into the payroll department and then just fucking tries to clean him out clean him out or he'll just be like well i have a job now i get paid eight dollars an hour i'm gonna live like i make 600 grand a year i'll just write checks for thousands of dollars to grocery stores i'll catch up to it later so tim bobst here from college the guy who

said he would knock on the doors with the backgammon right uh he encounters bopst again bopst wife works at a massage parlor therapy it's a massage therapy place art move on we'll move on he would buy art would go in and buy packages for for mitzi who he's now kind of back together with trying to make the family work again uh because they got kids for folks they have two kids and the kid and she always says he loves the kids we'll get into that later too um he's great with the kids he brings them unbelievable things unbelievable how'd you get that how'd you get him a thirty thousand dollar horse i traded two hundred thousand dollar checks for this horse it's a great deal it's no big deal so bops this guy he after college he was in the 82nd Airborne.

So he's a special forces guy. Broke his back jumping out of a plane. So he's disabled, walks with a cane, lives on disability from the government. Sure. But, I mean, he's an Airborne, an 82nd Airborne. He's a hero. Yeah. So Schlichter, of course, needs to completely wipe him out, obviously.

Of course. Clearly. Now, he starts out doing right by the guy. Gets him four seats. He's a big Cowboys fan, this Bobst guy. Gets him four seats on the 50-yard line to a Cowboys-Cults game at face value. Wow. Which is a big deal for a Cowboys game there.

You're a popular team across the country. Yeah, you can't get face value tickets now. No, not on the 50-yard line. So he gets in these seats. So Bobst is like, hey, what the hell? What a guy. Bobst said, quote, he talked all the time about his aftercare program and how he was going to all these meetings.

So he's like, he's on the level. He gets me the seats I asked for. All he talks about is meetings. This is going fucking great. This guy's got some things working out. Yeah, January 2000, Art calls Bobst and tells him that he can get him Final Four tickets. And Bobst is a big college fan. He's like, why wouldn't him that he can get him Final Four tickets. And Bopst is a big college fan.

He's like, why wouldn't he think he can do it? He just sat at the 50-yard line. He just did it. Yeah, he's like, fucking of course. He said the tickets come in three-ticket books, basically. And the books are $300 a book, $100 a ticket. So Bopst buys nine of these books for $2,700. And Art tells him, I need the cash first because my guy's running low on supply.

You'll get the tickets later when the NCAA releases them. We're running low on ink. Yeah, so we got to, you know, whatever. So he said, you know, they're all being sold out. So you better, I need the cash now. So they needed a Burger King to exchange the money. That's never a good sign. They needed a Burger King to exchange money.

Tickets were supposed to arrive in two weeks. Surprise, no tickets two weeks ago. ncaa hadn't dropped them yet so he's saying like they haven't released the tickets yet they're still printing them or whatever uh three weeks later he calls art again same thing haven't dropped yet sorry man i'll get back to you two weeks after that so now we're seven weeks in yeah no tickets yet uh bops calls him and says i want my fucking money back he had to track him down four different phones to find him. Wow.

I want my fucking money back. And Schlichter said, hey, I came through on the cowboy game, didn't I? Right. I know what I'm doing. Don't worry. This is going to come through.

Don't worry. Just relax. Trust me, okay? So two weeks before the final four, Bops says, fuck this, I'm calling the prosecutor's office. Good for him. He calls Marion County Prosecutor.

They don't have Google back then, so you can't just go Arch Leaster. Holy shit shit yeah later on i feel less bad for people because it's like you have google right just google you can search anything holy shit trust me you'll find endless shit we googled my pile yeah trust me my daughter had a photo shoot we googled the guy that was going to do the photo shoot the man was a fucking predator uh he was a level two sex offender in america bang you'll know that you wouldn't get your money taken by arch leaster because you just pop a quick google search on him so uh yeah so anyway schlichter apparently ran the same scam on over a dozen people scam totalam totaled $537,200 from these people.

Yeah. So much money. Yeah. Bops goes to Art's apartment to try to find him and finds Art's brother cleaning, Art's brother John's cleaning out all his shit

going, Art's gone. Art's on the fucking run. Yeah. Art takes off. He goes to Ohio. And Bops ended up watching the Final Four on TV, obviously,

because he didn't have that. Poor guy. Bobst is on the run at this, or I'm sorry, Art's on the run at this point. Yep. Now we also get to Chuck Grubbs, who's another fella here. Chuck Grubbs is Bill Hanner's cousin. He grew up in Ohio worshipping Art. Oh, no.

He was two years younger. He just worshipped him like a god, basically. He said Art actually helped him pay his family's rent when things were tight when art was like in college and the pros early with the airborne's money so yeah so he said that with with poor bobs to his money over here so he said you know it's he really respected him uh he feels bad he said because he used to go to the track with art all the time so he always felt like he didn't help art so art's out on probation at this point still from all that um a couple days after the kentucky derby this is the scummiest thing he's ever done by the way

until later a couple days after the kentucky derby grubs gets a call from art and art has to stop by so grubs is like this is going to be for money i know it but he's like you know what i'll just tell him i don't have any or give him a little bit and whatever i'll make him a turkey sandwich yeah i respect him so grubs tells him come on over whatever so grubs you know he tells him he wants money because he's arch leaster and he always fucking wants money that's why he thinks he's there um so basically grubs told him he could come by art comes by before he gets there this grubs guy he hides his money and his credit cards under the truck of his under the seat of his brilliant under his truck

seat in his car puts the keys in his pillowcase so he's gonna sleep on his keys so art can't get his keys get in get his get his fucking money yeah that's how well he knows this guy okay he goes to sleep schliester scavenges through the whole home until he finds his extra key somewhere that this guy forgot he fucking had because it's right six years ago he put it somewhere he finds that goes finds the billfold under the seat this guy would have worked great for like a crime scene yeah he's amazing so he walked i feel like he parked his car walked past the truck goes do i smell money i smell money i smell money in that truck doesn't take the cash though because that'd be too obvious really what he does instead is he

picks out two credit cards goes back in the the house, calls the credit card companies, has all the limits raised. Wow. Has all the fucking limits raised. While dude is sleeping. Okay? Now, Grubbs gets up, goes to work, gets home. Art's there. He gives Art $100.

And Art says, yeah, I've got to take off now. Gives Art $100, sends him on his way. He's like, phew, I braved the hurricane. Everything looks like it's not nailed down. It looks like it's still here. Everything's fine. Turns out that night, Art drove up Interstate 75, hitting every fucking ATM he could hit along the way. Burying this guy, cleaning him out.

Wow. Yeah, a few days later, this is when he's arrested. That is fucked up. That's fucked up. And then he's arrested in Ravina, Ohio, at another restaurant, at a diner. And that's... Having dinner on grubs? Yeah, that's where he got arrested.

That's when he was running from bops. All right. This all happened. So this was there. Unbelievable. What a scummy fucking thing to do to your friend. It's so bad. That worshipped you.

Yeah. And this poor grubs guy, he says he's forgiven Art. He loves Art through this whole thing. He goes, he says, quote, he's the type of person that would help anybody, but then he would screw anybody to get money to gamble with. It's not like Art Schliester woke up one day and said, I want to gamble and ruin my life and ruin my family's life. He just couldn't stop. No, he woke everybody up at 2 a.m. and said, I want to gamble. That's what he did. Amazing. Everybody wake up. It's time for backgammon. Now, while this is going on, while this is happening,

now, he got out of jail in September of 99. He was put in a rehab, in an addiction counseling facility there, and he had to go to these meetings. In these meetings, he met an ex-physician named Sally Booth. She's an M.D. who had her license suspended for a substance abuse problem okay so this is a good person for him to be involved with perfect this is a this is bonnie and clive these two match made in heaven so she's a you know they started hooking up romantically uh which is healthy in that regard for them art told her that guess what

he could get large amounts of tickets a shitload of them to sporting events sell them and he's saying bullshit he told bops this is the beginning of this scam that he runs on bops later okay all right um first of all that might have been a good idea in 99 2000 because nowadays there's plenty of second hand you know second sight there's lots of what is it ticket hub yes stub hub all these so mean, he might have had a good idea if he actually made a business instead of just gambled it away and shit. So, whatever. So, she basically says he needs cash up front to do this. Okay, so Booth went through every dime she has, this poor woman here, took out advances on all her credit cards,

second mortgage on her home, borrowed money from her parents, her friends, her 84-year-old parents, her friends, everybody. By April 2000, when he was arrested for everything else, when everything came to a head, she was out $100,000, her parents were out $45,000. Wow. And that's probably a lot to 84-year-old people. Yeah, that's what they're going to- They can't go out and remake that. That's fucking gone.

That's the rest of their life money. That's it. They could be eating cat food for decades on that shit. Also, now, she said that she kept doing this because Art had been providing her with clean urine samples for her drug test and threatened to tell the authorities if she didn't keep giving him cash.

Wow. So he's extorting her. You're going down too. Absolutely. And she wants to get her life back together, which she she's not doing a good job no not at all but she eventually like her life well she kind of is doing a good job she's masking the fuck out of her her idiocy so she insists on being repaid she's like parents need this fucking money yeah we're dying all of us so he says okay my father is going to help us my father is going to help you

he's going to help me pay you back. I'm really sorry. Acts like this is the only person he's doing this with. So she receives a call a couple days later from a man claiming to be Max Schliester, his father. He said, I'll take care of you. I'll repay you. Don't worry about it. Right? So Schliester, a couple days later, shows up with two checks from his father's bank account.

Checks number 1568, 1569. One is for $20,000, dated the 24th of, it's post-dated like a few days, 24th of April, 2000. Another check for $60,000, dated the 1st of May, so a week later.

Give him plenty of ample time to fucking run. So they looked at these and they went, let's just give this Max guy a call and make sure. They they call max schliester he said he didn't write the checks he never called her doesn't know what the fuck he's talking she's talking about but art had stolen some checks of his recently oh no his last visit home so she goes wonderful we're wow we now know what happened she's a shit out of luck that's the that the 19... What is it? 1982? This is 90.

This is 2000. Oh, that's 2000. There was Google then. This is Google. You should know better. You should fucking know better. But that was her version of Google. She figured it out one way or another.

She did something. Good for her. So now there's an attorney, Linda Wagoner. This is an attorney that now starts representing him in spring of 2000, represents him to September of 2000. This woman is his newest victim now. This is his public defender now starts representing him in spring of 2000, represents him to September of 2000. This woman is his newest victim now. This is his public defender. What?

Okay. He swindled the fucking public defender. It's amazing. So this article about this, by the way, says that he's had as many lawyers as bookies over the years. Which I think is fucking brilliant. And describes this guy perfectly. That's fantastic. And I'm stealing that for our description at some point. So linda wagner here she's a federal public defender federal she's not

even like a state asshole she's federal she's not some bullshit county she's not making 27 grand she's doing okay she's the feds so he called her hundreds of times while he represented while she represented him if he couldn't get through he would have someone else call then he would get on the line so i mean what the fuck fucking relentless this guy what he kept asking her for hundreds and hundreds of times was he wanted her to give him a cell phone and sneak a cell phone into the prison yeah so he could quote keep in contact with his daughters that was a scam yeah she said he was relentless it was every day was everyday now we know why he called his dad all the time yeah

that's what I mean so she refused she said quote I've never even given a client a pen before she said like she's been on the up and up

apparently Art had his friend purchase a phone and drop it off at her office like here here's that phone here's that phone

I was talking about bring that to me so after a couple weeks she does it of constant harassment what a bitch she she does it. Of constant harassment. What a bitch. She fucking does it, you dumb shit asshole. Sneaks it into the Indianapolis prison.

He uses it to make bets like crazy, obviously. What kind of a fucking bookie takes action from a known degenerate gambler who's in prison? For fucking having no money and writing checks about it. Where is he going to get money if he loses? What's he going to... What, does he make an eight cents a day down if he loses? What is he going to make? Eight cents a day down in the kitchen? What is he fucking doing down there?

He's going to print some fucking license plates. It's a shitty bookie, number one. Anyway, she sneaks it in. A little later on, it's found in a jail sweep of contraband. No big deal, whatever. Art has another phone delivered to her. Wow. Hounds her hundreds of calls.

Bothers her, bothers her, bothers her. She finally, on a Saturday morning, decides to bring it bring it into her she sits down in the room where they're supposed to meet lawyers meet their clients um she's about to slip him the phone and a bunch of sheriff's deputies surround her fucking cuff her up yeah take her off off to the buscow you go misdemeanor charge of trafficking to an inmate which sounds bad for a federal defender she calls her fucking her office to a boss and says oh oh my God, I'm arrested for this. Hey, can you give me a lawyer? Yeah, I am in deep shit here.

I need one of those federal public defenders that we've been talking about so much. She loses her law license for 90 days. Oh my God. She's on a year of probation. Fuck you, Archley, sir. He's just relentless. So she says about the whole situation, quote, I literally became almost paralyzed. I couldn't go out in public, couldn't talk to anybody.

It was awful. She said she knew better than to trust him. She said, quote, I can't explain what I did any more than the rest of his victims can. No shit. He's good. He just does it. He's fucking good. He makes you do what he wants.

He's amazing. That's what I mean. When you talk, a lot of these people are smart. Yeah. They're smart. That's a lawyer, a doctor. Yeah. In a year, he's amazing that's what i mean when you talk these a lot of these people are smart yeah they're smart that's a lawyer a doctor yeah in a year he's conned a lawyer a doctor a special forces guy it's fucking insane the the fucking top smart people the people that matter to this country and he can fucking put him under his thumb it's wild man so and it gets worse so this is when larry berdore the deputy prosecutor for marion county says he's the best con man i've ever seen at this case uh so there's an article right after this in may 27 2000 the chicago tribune called quote schlichter's kids the saddest victims of his addiction that's the truth that's the truth that is the truth i feel terrible for those girls

for these kids apparently in april before he went on the run run he took his kids out of school to talk to them and explain to them that you know daddy's in trouble again and I gotta go on the run. Daddy's gonna Forrest Gump the fuck out of this country right now because

and even Mitzi's enabling because Mitzi says his wife here quote says says quote he's an interesting person because he commits crimes that hurt people financially

but he adores his kids. I could never never doubt how much Art loved the kids. But that wasn't enough to stop him from repeating the same pattern. What do you want to bet he... No, I'm close. What do you want to bet? What do you...

Let's... What do you want to bet he bet on the fucking sex of those kids? Probably. I guarantee it. I guarantee it. He was probably laying them all over town, for Christ's sake. He was probably like, shit, I broke even. He had a pool on how long the kid would be.

Yeah, he had one of those boards from the Super it's gonna be born all that shit length of the middle finger you know blue eyes what are the odds on blue eyes so in august of 2000 he's finally indicted for the big ticket scheme that he's taking all these people's money they had over holding him on probation violations and everything else because i mean this guy at this point he gets in trouble they can just lock him up and throw away the key. Throw it away. It's done. Figure the shit out later. So in April 5, 2001, he's sentenced to five years in federal prison for credit card fraud and money laundering. That's about this whole thing. He's ordered to pay $170,000 in restitution,

which he stole more than that, way more than that, but that's all they're asking him to pay back. That ain't enough. No. And then in August of 2001, he is sentenced to six and a half more years in Indiana for violating his old probation for 97. On top of those five. They're going to let him do it at the

same time again. He's like, if I fuck up, I'm going to do it all at once. And then I'll commit a hundred crimes, I'll serve three years, I'll be gone. Throw them all together, I'm going to do three on good behavior and I'm out the door. He doesn't do one at a time, this guy. He stacks them. He's a very very smart guy. At this point, 2002, September 3rd, things get a little worse.

His dad, Max, is found dead at the bottom of the pool in the backyard. Something tells me he jumped in. Suicide. Determined to be suicide. Of course, yeah. Suicide. He's 65 years old. He just feels so... He let down America.

Yeah, he did. I think that's part of it. Absolutely. He definitely let down the Colts. I'm telling you, man. In 2004, while in prison, he's caught gambling on college basketball. Wow. Again. Wow. He does four months in solitary. He's just a

fucking disaster. He can't stop. Stop gambling. He's like Ryan Leaf with the pills, but it's gambling. It's way worse because it's cocaine it's it's those are victimless crimes the the person suffering is the person ingesting that shit yeah this guy is every everything he does has a horrible victim it's you don't want to be near this guy no he's like he's like the grim reaper like you just touches people and they just financially 20 grand financially they just dropped 20 a touch. 20 if you're lucky.

Yeah. If you get off easy. So, I mean, he's released from prison in 2006. Yeah. In June. June 16, 2006. In January 07, there's another fluff piece, guys. Let's fluff him up again.

Unbelievable. What the hell here? Spends four months after he gets out, after he's released in a Baltimore treatment center, which he should have stayed there forever, says his goal is to set up a... spends four months after he gets out after he's released in a baltimore treatment center which he should have stayed there forever says his goal is to set up a this is how fluffy this article is it's all about had the future and how he's just you know he could help other people and set it right he says they let him say that his goal is to set up a non-profit foundation to talk to young people i'm going to give him money to have me non-profit to talk to young people. I'm going to give him money to have me nonprofit. To talk to young people about gambling and educate them through www.gamblingpreventionawareness.org,

which is not currently anything at this moment in time, because I fucking looked it up. It's dick. Basically, that period that passed, between 95 and 06, he spent a total of 10 years in 44 different jails and prisons. Wow. That's what a disastrous decade he had. 44, though. Shouldn't that, like, that means he's arrested at least 44 times. Well, I guess that's transfers, probably.

You're here, you're there, they transfer you. 44 in 10 years. Just keep him. Just keep him. Just fucking keep him. Hang on him. But they think, God, Jimmy, they think he's fine now. No.

He's good now. No, no. He's not fine. An Outside the. Oh, he's not fine. And outside the lines, ESPN interview in 2007, he talks about all he stole and how God, he feels horrible about it. Now he's just trying to help people. And he estimates he stole over 1.5 million over the years, which as we know from the numbers I just told you.

Oh, that's so low. It's so fucking low. It's more like 5 million at least. It was 2 million in the 80s. This is just the shit he's charged with. Yeah. That's just what he got caught for. He got away away with stealing people just didn't have the wherewithal to call a prosecutor because i wouldn't have known to call a county prosecutor like that guy took me

shit what do i do for 20 grand yeah that's my life what do i do so um he starts doing commercials in 2008 with his mom for a no on issue three a pro pro like i guess to open casinos in ohio they're saying don't open casinos in ohio the commercials are great look them up on youtube arch leister uh gambling commercial you could look it up on there it's amazing vote no because my life will really be shit and they're like you're gonna you're gonna give me money if you if you vote yes and she's like and the mother's like, you know, destroyed our family, could destroy yours too. And it's like, woof, man, he's the best example for that. Yeah, no doubt.

2008, I mean, we are fully fluffed up, Jimmy. In 2008, he is hired by a Columbus radio station, 610 AM WTVN, to cover OSU football, Ohio State football, because he's a legend there. You know, program director said there was little opposition from anyone to bring him on no one they were all like he knows what he's talking about he's a legend here let's bring him on no problem he had radio experience in vegas and in cincinnati i don't give a fuck bring him right on right 2009 he releases his own fluff piece called busted the rise and fall of arch lister writes his own fluff piece in 2009 busted the Rise and Fall of Arch Lister. He wrote his own fluff piece. Writes his own fluff piece in 2009. Busted, the Rise and Fall of Arch Lister. It's 256 pages.

Get it on Amazon for $20.68 hardcover, $9.99 on the old Kindle. If you want to give him a few fucking bucks. I don't think you will here coming up pretty soon. Give him some gambling cash. So he's hired in, this is the worst, in October 6th of 2009, in another fluff piece that I found, he's hired as offensive coordinator for Tell City High School.

So now he's good. Let's bring him around kids now. Now he's a coordinator. For kids. For kids. Coach of this high school, Tell City, Don Hitz, said, quote, he was on parole here, and I i asked him can you come on with us he gave i gave him an opportunity and the school board was gracious enough to let him coach with us

he has done an outstanding job the kids love him he doesn't drink or smoke the only thing he ever did was gamble silver haired white man number four five or five yep so don hits so there's what an asshole they all i mean he said and about it too in this fluff piece in their own words Arch Leaster himself says quote I always try to teach the

players to be a good man I have related my experiences both good and bad I try to help them learn from my mistakes they have

a great tradition here and this is a good place to be we hope to bring the program back fluffy fluffy fluffy fluffy I'm telling you and to bring the program back they can give me about 30 grand, fluffy. I'm telling you. And to bring the program back,

they can give me about $30,000 and I'll go get all the equipment. Yeah. And another $50,000 and I'll get the grass redone. No problem. What the fuck? I can take care of shit. Now, here we go. In 2009, he goes to these meetings and things

like that in church groups. He's trying to be like, Oh, no. He meets an old acquaintance. Yep. An old acquaintance named Anita Barney. Yep. And 30 years earlier, when he was at Ohio State,

her son had been in a plane crash. Yeah. And he came and visited the kid at the hospital. So she remembered him and thought he was a good guy. So she feels like she owes him something. Thought he was a good guy. And she said, Oh, yeah, whatever.

And her husband, who is now dead at this point, she's a widow, was the CEO of Wendy's, the fast food corporation. They've got dough. They've got dough. So he's, I mean, you get a guy, put his hooks into this, she's 74 years old.

Oh Jesus. Lonely widow. Oh Jesus. Who's got money. He's 50 at this point and scumming it up big time. So this is a bad meeting here. He visited her kid. She feels indebted to him for the emotions.

Yeah. Oh, God. This is going to end terribly. Then we get to September 28, 2010. We have another fluff piece. Oh, my God. There's millions of them. I'm just going one fluff piece per time period.

Yeah, yeah. Because there's a million fluff pieces for every time period. This article is called, quote, Beating the Odds. Former Buckeye Archleaster working to put his life back together. It's on a fluff piece about what a great daddy is. Yeah. And how he's been making up the past to everyone.

Yeah. And the passing away of his father affected him so much even though he was illegally gambling and doing a bunch of other shit after that um you know he's just a swell guy this article says in the article this is his excuse here this is because it's really fluffy this article so in his own in their own words quote gambling was my way of killing the pain it distracted me from reality and the more pain you're in, the more you want to see, or the more you want to use. I can't judge what's going to happen tomorrow or the day after that. I'm just trying to get through today and do the right thing and take care of myself and my family.

There it is. You know what it is? That last sentence, minus do the right thing. I'm just caring about me and my family. That take care of myself and my family. I didn't even cross off family. I just put, I'm trying to take care of myself. That's it. That's all he needed to say. That it's like distracted me from reality. What was your reality?

That you were a famous, great, beloved person with all the money in the world. When you started. And all the good in the world at your feet. Yeah. Is that your reality? Your backgammon gambling. That's terrible. That's not.

You're a jerk off. You were doing fine at that time. You were God in Ohio. He's a fucking mess oh no so everything looks great though this was i mean we're leading up to all of this looking so good until yeah valentine's day february 14 2011 when out of nowhere he turns himself into ohio authorities uh-oh because he allegedly took money he was selling his book rights to multiple people what for the busted book he was selling a fucking low life sold the rights to dozens of just everybody eight thousand nine thousand seven thousand for like a piece of the book basically so he's selling that all over not paying anybody a thing he's also gets busted for running another multi-million dollar ticket scam

which we will get into here soon because he gets his hooks into old anita brian god damn it anita barney here uh it is ridiculous uh basically also to at this point he's on house arrest in 2012 he's testing positive for cocaine twice so now he's doing cocaine now he's got a big problem he's doing cocaine and also for refusing to give urine samples at several different times yeah so they're they're violating his probation here which is going to come back also what he had been doing was basically he started hanging out with anita barney okay um first uh you know they were just friends and whatever and he asked her if he could borrow ten thousand dollars because he needed a car to go

visit his daughters because he didn't live with his daughters and he needed everything with those kids and you feel bad for him and she seems like he's a reformed guy you just open up the paper there's fucking fluff pieces everywhere they're everywhere they're the most complicit of these fluff piece article writing assholes. Every time you write a fluff piece, someone opens it. You're telling the public that he's nice. You're saying, no problem.

All reformed. I'm good now. It's fine. Go ahead and lend him 10 grand. You're telling the public this guy's on the up and up. Exactly. So she claims shortly after that

she was writing checks for 25 grand, then 100 grand. Oh, God. Reverse mortgage on her home. Oh, my God, no. For $185,000 to give to Art still. He's telling her, tickets. I got the ticket thing going.

We need investment. This is all seed money, okay? It's fucking ridiculous, basically. As soon as you get to reverse mortgage, that's the fucking end. That's it, man. You have no more left. This is a woman who had money, and that's the fucking end that's it you have no more left this is a woman who had money and she's draining him uh she or he's she's draining her uh when she had no more money he started telling her well why don't you go ask your friends and

family for my god she culled together 300 grand oh he's a piece of shit from her friends and family he's got oh he he's so good he he tells he turns this little old lady into him yeah and she's a smart woman yeah too she used her loneliness against her because later on also she ends up saying that they had a little romantic involvement which i mean he has no fucking shame at this point no no he's a grandma yeah yeah who cares yeah i need that money so um yeah she said she was excited to be making her friends and family money. She thought they were going to get money off of this and make profits. Yeah.

She never dreamed he was lying, is what she said. Said Art told her that when she wanted the money and started needing money to pay back, Art told her that the mafia could end up coming after them and that he couldn't tell her where the money was going. He said, quote, if I told you, I'd have to kill you. So, I mean, he's bullshitting her like that uh this poor fucking woman she's supposed to just go okay all right i'll tell the i'll tell everybody else that so he ends up getting he's busted for this too now there's also lawsuits filed against her for of course huge amounts of money but there's six different lawsuits against this woman saying that poor lady and there's people saying no no

you were in on it no you were fucking in a poor lady she didn't need to be on because she had money right that's the thing now it might have been later on she might have been trying to recover but he was probably saying look i lost that but if you get me this i'll fix right he initially got her in all on the up and up and then once she realizes what's going on probably after the if i tell you where the money's at they'll kill us absolutely and in april of 2004 she files for bankruptcy oh my god listing a 2.3 million dollar claim against art for fraud embezzlement theft and to be restituted you know for restitution she said quote arch leased her economy out of millions of dollars uh i lost my home my car i had to file bankruptcy i also lost my friends and family

Of course They don't want to talk to you when you took their money too For the cheap ticket shit here At this point he pleads guilty In 2011 he pleads guilty This was before they pleaded guilty For the 2011 things He's pleading guilty to wire fraud

Federal wire fraud Bank fraud, filing false income tax returns So he's pleading guilty to wire fraud federal wire fraud bank fraud filing false income tax returns wow so he's even more fuck now um yeah that's as big as it gets yeah so barney later on goes on dr phil wow and this was recently goes on dr phil uh she wrote a book of course called quote quarterback sneak i hate these fucking cheeky titles. The fucking stupid puns. Ugh. Quarterback Sneak, exposing the criminal game plan of Art Schliester. Two fucking words.

Oh, God, I don't like you anymore. I felt bad for her before. Now I don't anymore. Kiss my ass. Your fucking pun book. So, yeah, Dr. Phil pulled it out of her about the romantic relationship, as I guess that was in the book, and he was saying, well, all these people think you were in on it, basically. So he was trying to play devil's advocate on the whole thing.

I hate him, too. He's as much of an asshole as art is, in my opinion. Fuck him. Now, April 2012... Just for a second. That guy, okay, he's a fucking scumbag. He just exploited the shit out of that woman for financial gain, too.

He's just as bad as art is. Absolutely. Move forward. Yeah, he's art with a mustache at this point. That's all he is. Because art's bald and fat gain too. He's just as bad as Art is. Absolutely. Move forward. Yeah, he's Art with a mustache at this point. That's all he is because Art's bald and fat too. That's perfect.

In 2012... Doctor my ass. Yeah, Doctor... What is he a doctor of? Nothing. I'd like to know what he's a doctor of. Fucking Pepper.

Dr. Pepper. Dr. Pepper. That's what he's a doctor of. I'm calling him Mr. Pibb from now on. Mr. Pibb is on. I don't like him. So Art signs...

Fuck that fat, bald bastard art science paperwork for his brain and spinal cord to be donated to boston university for the cte project right for the traumatic brain injury burn it project said he had 14 to 15 concussions in high school and college he was talking about in the 70s and early 80s you'd get knocked out cold yeah you know blackout go to the sidelines five minutes later you said you felt better they didn't stick you back in the game that's how it was back then it's probably true oh it's absolutely true all the guys say no i mean for him too yeah he said you go back in that shows that you're tough they'd say oh you got your bell rung go

back in there and that was what they call getting your bell rung high school and college that makes sense because he played enough nfl if he was claiming it was the nfl he can go fuck himself well we'll get to that all right we'll get to that so and now he is uh in may 2nd 2012 he is sentenced to 127 months in prison that is almost 11 years yeah that's 10 years 10 years seven months this was for both the current crime and then violating his 2007 forgery and theft conviction probation from Indiana. And what year was this? This is 2012. Okay, so he's 51 years old? Yeah.

So they add an extra 27 months for the Indiana thing. It was 100 months for the new one. Yep. It was 27 months for the Indiana one, so 127 months in total. He's ordered to pay back $2.2 million in restitution. There we go. Now we got him. This shit is getting deep at this point.

I mean, U.S. District Judge Michael Watson told him that he was the perfect candidate to receive maximum consecutive sentences. Yes. Then detailed for several minutes all of Art's past crimes, convictions, general fuckery, basically. He could have just fucking played this podcast

for the courtroom. Besides this judge, this is like the most complete you're ever going to hear of an arch leaster in life because everything else is pieced together because it's 30 years this is like the most complete thing then he called him shameful and predatory shit yes you sir may fuck off verdict fuck off to you sir shameful. Shameful and predatory. I love it. I love that he came up with that. He's like, shameful and, no, no, I need a good, predatory. That sounds like he's aggressive.

He sounds like a lion. Then made Art turn around when it was Art's turn to speak, made him turn around to address his victims and his mother. Yes, don't you say whatever you have to say to me. Or the jury. Turn your fat ass around. Turn it around, fat boy. To your mom who's sitting there.

Fuck, I imagine what his mom's been through. Are you sure? The mom was probably giving him money. They should have left an empty seat with his dad's picture on the fucking chair. Yeah, no shit, Max. Tell fucking Max, you dick. So now he's fucked. He's in federal prison.

How many millions of dollars? How many families ruined? How many businesses destroyed? Anybody that's ever talked to him he has just his little girls his wife his kids he has ruined more lives than anything i feel so bad for all these people jimmy but not nearly you have to be shitting me. Oh my God. How the fuck? Not nearly as bad as I feel for Arch Leaster on LinkedIn. Project manager at AAA Northern California, Nevada, Utah. Based out of Phoenix, Arizona.

What? Went to Hofstra University. Has an extensive background in planning, developing, and implementing systems. This Arch Leaster, guys. this is not the one, guys. So if you're in Phoenix and a guy named Arch Leaster who's not, who never played football comes up to you, he might be okay. He's probably good. Cut this guy some slack because when people Google him, they go,

oh, God, and they're about the same age, too. And he's like, he's a project manager. He's like, he's like he's calling to to get people invest money and shit half of his phone conversations are probably arch leaster not that one no no no no no no i'm no i i never played hello fuck damn it i start calling myself something different so poor arch is this king arthur no no no i've never played a thing i've never gambled i don't know i played chess do you gamble on it fuck off how would i know the over under i don't know these things stop asking me stop it poor guy and now we get to january 2016 art is still in prison

he sues the nfl for medical and retirement benefits tied to the season he was suspended. Fuck you. He's now diagnosed with Parkinson's disease and a bunch of other neurological ailments that he claims is from playing in the NFL. Sounds like it's from playing in everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The NFL is just the one you sue. Dude, you played in the fucking Arena League much longer than the NFL. Yeah, later on, too.

I mean, yeah, he played way more downs in the Arena League. He claims that even though he, but the way he's trying to do it is actually smart. The league gives benefits based on seasons played, and they judge that by appearing in three games or more. So if you played him four seasons, you get this amount of benefits. If you played him five seasons, you get this amount of benefits, and so on and so forth. He's trying to claim that extra season of 1983 when he was suspended

as a season that he should get benefits for because he's saying yes i was suspended but i was still under contract therefore was not allowed to go play anywhere else i couldn't go make money somewhere else i still i was still under the rules of the nfl right so you have to fucking pay me you have to give me benefits for that because you wouldn't let me pay i did i wasn't the one who sat down he's got a case he's got a case he's got an argument at this point nfl make fuck you nfl give this piece of shit money for his parkinson's disease so his goddamn kids he's just gonna spend it in the cantina anyway jesus give it at least give it to the children if his kids get five dollars out of this it's good for them yeah it's worth it fuck something he says

about the head injuries quote this is from march of 2016, very recently, he says, quote, I do believe that my numerous head injuries have affected my decision making throughout my life, but I don't want people to get the wrong idea. I'm not blaming my behavior on anything. I take full responsibility for my actions, and I'm sorry for all of those I heard along the way. I don't believe you. Wow, I'm not looking to make an excuse, but I think maybe it affected my decision making. Here's an excuse. But here's an excuse. So from the time he was in 10th grade, he had neurological issues, apparently, that affected his decision making.

From the second he walked onto a horse track. Yeah, yeah. For Christ's sake. The thing is, like, you can't blame the decision making. He's not, I guess. I mean, he's still. But it didn't fucking attribute to anything because you've been playing football all your goddamn life

and been gambling all your life. Yeah, you're just... You're a disaster. You have head injuries and you're a piece of shit, And you know what? The fucking schemes were so planned out. That's not head injury shit.

Somebody that's got head injuries... Yeah, it's not doing that yeah he wasn't he didn't just like snap and like attack a guy in a bar right this is scams and schemes that he had with multiple so many people unbelievable there was the one case in the mid-90s it was 50 victims involved i mean that's how many people he's scamming you're just a fucking scumbag bro that's it that's the end of it currently incarcerated in the tarahote federal tarahote indiana that's a federal prison federal correctional institution projected release date of august of 2020 oh my god he can get out and scam people again oh yeah no we got about four years left and you're gonna be dealing with arch leaster poor arch leaster

in phoenix the triple a project. You poor son of a bitch. You better kill him. Yeah. He should find someone to kill him. 2020, he's getting out. He's 60 years old. It's true.

Out of all the mobsters he's pissed off, all the people he stole the money from, all of that thing, I would think Arch Leaster, AAA project manager in Phoenix, Arizona.

He should be able to figure it out. Yeah. He should be the guy that's most angry at him. He's like, you're ruining my fucking life. 60's nothing. Yeah, he's 60. be able to figure it out. He should be the guy that's most angry at him. He's like, you're ruining my fucking life. 60 is nothing.

You can absolutely start scamming. And I guarantee there's going to be a fluff piece when he gets out. Fluff piece number. More than the seven that we've discussed. Seven different periods of fluff, guys. And five fucking single, silver-haired, middle-aged white men. Five. Unbelievable.

These are records, guys. This is a record-setting episode. This is unbelievable's you can bet on number eight on the fluff pieces and they're gonna be all about him and i'll fucking write an open letter to everybody about what a piece of shit he is someone needs and i've never met him no i wish you could have a thing where if you if you wanted to give him money this podcast automatically pop into your phone first where you go oh maybe not maybe i'll spend it somewhere that's worth a fuck yeah because he's not giving anybody anything or a whorehouse or anywhere anywhere fucking the lotto anything is better than giving it to that scratchers

alcohol at least some of those proceeds go to fixing roads and shit into isis for absolutely at least they'll get lost in the mix this guy's just gonna gamble it away hopefully the feds will pick that up somewhere along the way yeah you'll everyone will get picked up it's fine don't give money to isis i don't think you're even allowed to say that on a podcast so don't do that i or arch leaster we just take two things two people you should never give money to any isis member or arch leaster anybody else you're on your own arch leaster may as well be isis and lenny dykstra. I want to see a business with him and Lenny Dykstra together.

It's going to happen. You know what? At least he didn't like fucking go crazy and buy Wayne Gretzky's house, or whatever the equivalent of Wayne Gretzky is in Ohio. He didn't buy Bernie Kosar's house. He didn't go buy the Woods house. He didn't go buy the ranch that Munson's plane went down in. He didn't buy, yeah,

Jesus Christ, man. You didn't buy fucking Brad Doherty's house. Like Mark Price's house. So, I don't know what the equivalent, you don't win much, Ohio. Sorry, guys. Superbowls, basketball, nothing. Cleveland, the Browns,

everybody, the Indians, it's bad. I'm a huge Broncos fan. I still remember I still remember the drive and the fumble so fuck you guys sorry

Jim Tomei get Kevin Mack out of this please Kevin Mack's house can go Ernest Biner's house Kevin Mack Kevin Mack was the

next year really yeah he fumbled the next year in the next championship two years in a row when Cleveland was up he fumbled sorry anyway that up, he fumbled.

Sorry, Cleveland. Anyway, he fumbled when they were down, and then Mac fumbled when they were up. Either way, you fuck Cleveland, goddammit, you guys

are a disaster. Yeah, God does hate you guys. It's true. I root for you to win at some point. Sometimes. Unless you have any

interest in Arch Leaster as a human being, then I don't root for them. Then I hate you. Holy shit, guys. Like we said, that was as deep as it goes, guys. That was fun. Holy fuck, that was something else. an arch leaster as a human being then i don't root for them then i hate you holy shit guys like we said that was as deep as it goes guys i mean holy fuck that was something else arch leaster he's a scum weasel man he took everybody for everything and all he got in return is a prison sentence

a lot of prison sentences a lot imagine the court fees he's accrued over the years he's got to be insane he could be like i would trust him for like Yelp reviews of prisons. He's been to so many. He really would. I would trust him. If I was going in, I'd want to talk to,

can I talk to Arch Leaster real quick to find out which one is okay? Cod is stiff but tender. I find it caresses my curves just the way I like. Like things, you know, yeah.

Pillows, not quite. Not so good. Yeah, bed bugs. You don't want to be here. I find the brunch to be below par. So Arch Leaster's having brunch in federal prison. Oh, my goodness. So, guys, yeah.

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