Crime in Sports - #200 - Elvis Dies Tonight - The Vengefulness of Tim "Doc" Anderson

Episode Date: March 17, 2020

This week, we take an extra long look into one of the strangest stories that we've had in all 200 episodes. A boxer, a large, redheaded man called "Elvis", drugs, a threatened quadriplegic, guns, murder... This story has it all. When a boxer feels he is wronged by his slimy manager/promoter, he takes matters into his own hands. Was it justified, or just a brain damaged delusion? Find out! Spike up your hair, take your vitamins, and kill Elvis with Tim "Doc" Anderson!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I hate this movie. This Friday and every Friday, wherever you listen to podcasts. Never mind all that, though, Jimmy. The story tonight. Holy shit. Do we have a story? Right. It's a wild one holy

crap holy uh yes let's talk about it let's get into it's the only way to put it would be like a seven-year-old saying holy crap holy is the only way because it's a weird ass story good it is uh it's a man it's a boxer it's a brain damage sport right away and uh whoa is it wild let's get right into it here uh he said it's tim anderson that is timothy anderson i don't know full name there tim doc anderson this is nickname by doc goes by doc we'll find out why there's a reason surgeon in there he's no that's not even why you would think that right it's a sweet science and he's you know that's not very no you gotta be perfect nicknames nicknames never come from what you think they come from.

It's always something else. Oh, no, his grandmother saw him doing that when he was four. He drank a lot of Dr. Pepper. What the hell is that? Yeah, they called him Doc since he was eight. It's a stupid thing here. He's born in November 11, 1958. Okay.

And he has an interesting life, let's just say that. Old Doc here. He grows up. Everything seems very stable life as a child. He grows up in Chicago. He's born in Indiana, but he grows up in Chicago. Close, right there. He's born in, I think, Hammond, Indiana, so it's right there.

His parents are no divorce or anything like that. They stay together. They stay together. It's the 60s still, the 70s, but they stay together. He has three siblings as well. He has a couple of sisters and a brother. Got it. Yeah, it's not a bad thing.

He grows up in a pretty stable family. His father, George, is a city administrator for the city of Chicago. So, yeah, stable would be the best way to put it. Four kids, two boys, two girls, and the parents. And some parents. Everybody's got a roller coaster buddy. This is great. Yeah, city job benefits two girls, and the parents. And some parents. Everybody's got a roller coaster buddy. This is great. City job benefits.

Back when that was something in Chicago. Yeah, not a bad upbringing for him. Every opportunity, he should be okay here, and he's not, as we'll find out. He's a good athlete, too. He's always a very, very good athlete. As a young kid, he is a badass at everything he he does as an athlete which we find a lot of anyone who becomes a professional athlete they usually they're not like well they were stumbling over their own feet and were just uncoordinated and gangly until they were 14

and then they became an adonis like that's rare until they were 19 and then they just went into the nba dennis rodman yeah but i mean how many 200 episodes that's happened like twice probably where guys just find some physicality later on. Normally... And were they all basketball? There was a couple of football. A couple of football. Yeah.

Normally at seven, though, it's like, well, he was the best athlete of all the other little kids, obviously. He's faster. He's stronger. It's the way it works. We all know that kid in Little League who was like two years ahead of us physically of everybody else and crank know cranking home runs and you're like what the fuck yeah yeah he must have a lot of hair on his balls because i can't

do that i'm 11 also he's six four that's crazy why is he that tall i see that i do remember those kids and his mustache could use a trim on the sides i'm just saying i don't say he has to shave it off yeah trim it up looks like christ almighty kids off to be here at homeroom looks like sam elliott over here can we can we trim it up a drop he well he drove up to little league right that's the first fucking clue there's a problem he said hurry it up he's got to get back to his job he's got a convertible ario speed wagons coming out of it they're like what's happening there's pops out so he's a great little athlete but he also has crohn's disease oh no as a young man that's that's an issue i'm sorry i don't have crohn's disease that's just i don't know what normally i'd cut that out i'd normally cut out cough but uh it's it's perfect that you

said that which crohn's disease has nothing to do with coughing but let everybody uh suspect that you have the coronavirus now, which is perfect. Let everybody sit there and go, I heard Jimmy coughing. Instead, I took a breath, and it was too much for me to handle. Was he with Idris Elba? Was he with Stringer Bell? He was. Oh, no.

Jimmy's best friends with Tom Hanks. He's killing it. Yeah, he's always there. So he has Crohn's disease, which does not cause coughing at all. It's the other way. Yeah, coughing of the other direction. And it's usually very phlegmy. Hardcore diarrhea, which does not cause coughing. No, it causes it. It's the other way. Yeah, coughing of the other direction. And it's usually very phlegmy. Hardcore diarrhea, we're going to say here.

It's miserable. Very tough. And I don't know that much about Crohn's disease. I've actually only heard about it from like two comedians. Yeah, I know somebody that has it. It's brutal. Yeah, it's not an easy thing. One is a comedy club owner that we know.

Oh, really? And another one is H. John Benjamin, who is and uh another one uh is is h john benjamin who is uh archer and bob on bob's burgers he has it too he has it in his book he talks about it it's he's hilarious yeah he's he's saying he used it as like a way to retreat into his room and not have to go anywhere so he enjoyed it like it was good you talk about like he had all these different like uh he'd be walking in school and he'd feel an attack coming on. So he would, like, bend down and pretend to tie his shoe.

That was his way of, like, holding on to the cramp and not shitting himself, basically, until it passed. Or he'd just stay down there. So he had all these different, like, he called them all these feints in school to, like, be like, oh, yeah, hold on one second. I gotta be. Hold on, I gotta go get a drink. Yeah, I gotta be on the ground for about, I don't know 30 seconds for some reason hold on my back earlier it's gonna kneel down

yeah it's the old war injury yeah it's acting up at 14 that's wild and there was a comedy club owner am i missing something yeah i'll tell you after the show he i think he talks about it actually so i don't know if it's a big deal but i don't want to be like hey this guy's shitting himself i love it blast that out yeah i don't want to blast to, hey, this guy's shitting himself all over the place. I don't want to blast that out. Yeah, I don't want to blast, to put it in one certain way. I don't want to blast it out. Neither does he, but sometimes you can't help it. That's the problem. Sometimes that's the thing.

So he's, the other kids look up to him because he's such a good athlete. He's a confident kid and everything. But up until he's about eight or nine, a lot of times he has to wear a diaper because it's that bad. My Christ, that's terrible. That's terrible. And he keeps it a secret. It's's that bad my christ that's terrible that's terrible so it's and he keeps it a secret it's like a big secret that's hard to keep seeing i don't know how you would keep that a secret baggy pants i guess i don't know but well that's one thing of a sight and visual is something i assume oh god it's leaking out i gotta run now there's also something

called smell change well it's i mean i assume you wouldn't be like oh i won't leave a log sitting in there for a half hour i assume i assure you there's no log i assume you're not just sitting back on all right then so what were we talking about i don't think that's how you probably are at first sign you're like oh shit and you probably run but you've had kids and you know that that the pressure sometimes goes upwards oh yeah that happens too i'm sure as an adult it's got that more times than not? Probably. But he was like a big secret, though, and it was like kind of his mom would help him with it.

Yeah. By the way, good article on him on the Orlando Sun Sentinel where some really good information comes out of Tim Anderson. I got to give them credit for that. Not the archer guy? Not the comedy club owner with Crohn's. It's on Tim Anderson. So when he was a teenager, his mother dies of lung disease, which is brutal for him.

It's brutal for any teenager, but especially a teenage boy. I don't know. I always think it's harder for the boy to lose the mother than it is for... I don't know why. I guess it's probably not. It's just as hard. But it's... I don't know, whatever. It's one of those things, I guess, because I'm a boy.

I would empathize more. The boy seems to gravitate to mom and the girl seems to gravitate to dad. It's hard for girls to lose. It's hard for anybody to lose mom, though. That's what I'm saying. Mom's the hard one to lose. And he was just absolutely, completely devastated by this. He became more sensitive after this everybody kind of noticed that that he became a very sensitive kid and he wasn't real uh aggressive

and things like that except in sports in sports he had a lot of aggression he would like save it all for sports off the he was kind of a meek kid otherwise and he uh he started to play baseball he was a good pitcher turns out he's like a junk baller really he doesn't really throw much of a meek kid otherwise. And he started to play baseball. He was a good pitcher. Turns out he's like a junk baller, really. He doesn't really throw much of a fastball, but he's got a lot of garbage. Throws a lot of curveballs and sliders and shit like that. And he gets into kickboxing also. Oh, I didn't say kickball.

He gets into kickball heavily, which really gets him nowhere. Because that's not a sport that we play. No. Not an organized sport, unless you're in the fifth grade or a very lonely 30-year-old. One of the two. One of the two. Beer league kickball. Yeah, yeah.

Not even lonely. It's always like douchey people that look like they can meet people other places. It's like, why are you doing this then? You look at the guys, you're like, you don't want to play kickball with that girl with breast implants. She's not good at it. She's almost toppling over when she runs up to kick the like, you don't want to play kickball with that girl with breast implants. She's not good at it. She's almost toppling over when she runs up to kick the ball. She doesn't want to play. It's like a weird social thing.

If you all want to drink, just get together and drink. Why bring the kickball? That's what I'm saying. You want to portray this like drinking's not that big of a deal to me. I really like to have fun, guy. Yeah. That's not what you are. You just want the booze.

You want booze and boozed up women. That's what you have. And you want her running so you can see those bounce. We get all boozed up that's my favorite too yeah that's that's what they're doing just tell her yeah that's what i mean you know i'd like to do let's drop the pretense leave the kickball at home and let's just go drink i'd like to fill you full of booze and watch you jog down the beach i don't want to move i want to sit on a towel and watch you do it that's my new bar it's just going to have little tracks in it, and people are going to run back and forth. No kickball, no nothing.

It's just women only running. You don't have to have guys still pay to see the women. Right. Women only running. Basically, I think that's a strip club. Basically, like a clothed strip club. That's not going to work, I don't think. Never mind.

I thought I had an idea. A little sign that says, big B's and up. Yeah, that's not going to work. See, that's never going to work. No good. Never mind. Yeah. Can, that's not going to work. See, that's never going to work. No good. Never mind. Cancel that one. So he gets into kickboxing and he's pretty good at that.

He's good at everything he tries pretty much, but baseball is what he really concentrates on and then a little bit of kickboxing here and there too. He seems to like combat sports of that nature. His sister, Erin, who is a big, big part of his life, has a very terrible

accident and erin is two years younger than him erin's two years younger she's born in 1960 she has a diving accident when she's 16 at night in 1976 and has rendered a quadriplegic what the fuck for life wheelchair for life what's the accident i assume dove in a pool that's too shallow or one with no water broke her fucking commercial yeah that would be i don't know if she's trying to reenact a an anti-drug commercial or if she just thought the water was deeper oh no or whatever it was but uh she ends up with a she's a quadriplegic broken neck and uh very very tough and again this is hard on tim this is after his mom died as well so this is when he's 18 she's 16 and you know kind of felt like a need to watch over his siblings and got worse after his sister is a quadriplegic i know somebody that did

that but i can't place who it is and i think there are comics dove in a pool yeah dove in a shallow not necessarily a pool it was it was like a natural body of water that's much easier to do the goddamn rock that's people do that all the time because there's no uh there's no like foot markers on the side doesn't say like six feet or nine feet it just the water's goddamn green it's just murky and you go what's down there i don't know i'm gonna find out someone walk in there walk or see how deep get a stick paddle around get a stick somebody like kind of show fluff your arms up and go down a bit. Are you standing or are you kicking? Oh, you're standing. That's too shallow. That's all you can do.

Can you touch? And then if you miss that spot, and then it might be eight feet deep in one spot, right next to it, four feet deep, a foot over. You have no idea with natural bodies of water. So scary. So it's very, very scary. That's awful.

He's kickboxing a lot, and he also is a standout in baseball in high school really you know really uh really uh awarded player he gets a lot of he's on all the teams and you know the all-star team and the you know state this and that and all that shit he's on he's very good he's a very good baseball player here he doesn't from what i can find he does not get drafted in baseball but he does play uh he does show up and he's he's around for the 1981 chicago cubs spring training really yeah for their farm for their class a farm team so he's like rookie ball yeah he's an undrafted invitee to play rookie ball i don't even think those i don't even think those guys go to spring training

i think they go to like rookie camps basically they're down uh it's in boca raton florida so yeah they go to college or anything he just like walks out there well it's an invite he gets an invite out of high school to do this uh but this is 81 so he's been out of high school for a couple years now uh but he he uh he somehow works his way into this and if you can play ball and if you've played in some independent leagues, a lot of times you'll get an invite to these things because they don't give a shit if 200 people show up. They can cut them all.

They don't care. It's not like they have to pay them. Get your own way down here. They don't give a crap. Yeah, exactly. You can get down here. We'll invite you. It's like League of Their Own.

You get down to Wrigley, and then we'll see how it goes. So he ends up down there in Boca Raton, Florida in 1981. And as a pitcher, he doesn't really have a fastball, though, which is, like I said, it's a problem. He's a junk baller. Unless you're an amazing knuckleballer or left-handed, if you're a lefty or something, you can work with it. But otherwise, it's really hard to make any kind of go of it unless you can stand a guy stand the guy up with a 90 mile an hour fastball every once in a while or something something something that'll change speeds on him where they go okay i can't just sit on shit you know i gotta do things but then uh he gets he's always

into fitness that's his thing like he's always into working out he's into vitamins he's into eating healthy very much into that he starts training in a gym here uh at a boxing gym so he starts getting into that while he's playing baseball which is a weird thing to do yeah because especially if you're pitching your hands are very important and to punch things with them is not smart if you need them to yeah if you need them to hold a ball very different approach a certain way yeah it's really when you need the the ambidextrous what's the word that's too both-handed oh that's oh yeah yeah you're right yeah yeah chris washburn i think i got this one when you need he made fun of chris washburn everybody for thinking when you need your your fingers to be yeah yeah yeah yeah i don't know what the word is

you need to be have dexterity. There it is. We need the dexterity. Dexterity and ambidextrous sound exactly the same. There's a similar sound in there. You're right, Jimmy. You got the dex part. Yeah, I got the dexter manliest of the whole thing there. I haven't even been drinking.

Yeah, perfect. So he's into boxing, and he likes boxing because in baseball, you can't control the outcome of the game. And you can't. If a guy, you can throw a ball and get the guy to pop it up to shortstop, the guy's shortstop's still going to catch it. If he doesn't, well, that's not on you, but you could lose despite being wonderful. And that's happened.

There's about eight other dudes that you rely on. I watched Andy Hawkins for the Yankees lose a no-hitter once so i mean it's you can pitch wonderfully and still suck yeah so that that's that's the difference in boxing it's all on you you know while you or if they fix the fight as we'll find out and then also too when you play baseball whatever uh you also he will learn in a few more years that uh when you play baseball for Cubs, even the audience plays a part in you winning or losing. Yeah, absolutely. You never know. You get a Bartman reaching over, smacking a ball out of somebody's hand.

There's a lot of factors in baseball to go on with. There's 18 players in the game, and there's four umpires and a lot of people, and there's a lot going on. At least in boxing, it's you and the guy and a referee. That's about it. that's all you got also now while he's boxing he also finds a job because he's got to he's got to find somewhere to make some money here so he finds a job as a bouncer at the agora ballroom yeah here and he meets a guy named jim murphy who will be around for a long time sounds like a boxing trainer we'll talk about him sounds Sounds like a bouncer. Yeah. I'm Jim Murphy.

How you doing? Yeah. No, you can't wear that in here. No flip-flops. Get on out of here. Let's go. No tank tops. Let's go, pal.

As I was saying, I know a guy that trains people. You ought to go see him. He trains people. By the way, this ID's fake. Flicks it back at you. But go see that guy. Get yourself a better ID also while you're at it.

That's Jim Murphy. So, yeah, he's a bouncer and he's real into holistic healing and holistic stuff of all kinds. Holistic methods and remedies and shit like that. Plants and fruits and nuts. Yeah. Well, he says that they talked for a while, and Tim was complaining about his stomach. His Crohn's disease was his, you know, that's his main thing.

From what I understand, this will go into like a remission type thing where you kind of, yeah, like anything else, it'll go away for a little while where it's light and then it'll get inflamed again and where it'll be bad for a while. You go through like bouts with it. Yeah. Kind of a thing where I guess so. Yeah. Yeah.

Except way worse. I would say. I think so. I mean, you can't just tie your shoe until herpes goes away. So that's a problem. But you also can't fuck somebody and give them Crohn's disease.

That's true. That's true. But also, if you're covered in shit, no one will fuck you anyway. So it's really difficult. I think it's a toss-up, honestly. I think it's a toss-up, really. It sounds rough either way.

I don't know. Herpes sounds much more painful. A cold sore on your dick no that sounds shitty that sounds bad don't get me wrong horrible that sounds terrible but to to not have to to not be able to really control your shit much also sounds scary imagine a long drive jimmy who would you rather have and i just ate a sore dick or crohn's disease on a drive to la from phoenix and there was only breakfast burritos available. Jimmy's shitting in the desert.

Jimmy's spraying down the desert. I'll lay in the desert and beg somebody to shoot me. It's all brown. No one will notice. Doesn't care. Just put me down. Put me down. I'm not going to make it.

See Jimmy laying in the desert with his pants around his ankles. It hurts so bad, man. It's the worst i if that's what crohn's disease is is me having eggs i can't i can't tell you how intestines how frightening it is when that's yeah yeah that's what that is oh my god yeah panic yeah people have panic oh boy it's a rough thing man oh i still i'll never forget it it's the worst i've been with you for those problems you're, there must have been fucking eggs in that. We're fucking skidding off to the side of the road with dust clouds behind us and you running from the car. And me going, what, is he shitting now?

It's happening. I'm still in there. Or five minutes before. They just start rocking Robin before we go on stage. And I'm like, there was eggs in something. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, boy. I need 10.

Play it again. you got two minutes and 47 seconds chief can you fire it out in that amount of time it's horrifying then he comes ass cheeks waddling out there together looking sore i'm so sorry so uh yeah they never know now they do but they've been before so uh murphy here jim murphy mr bouncer bouncer extraordinaire jim murphy he says quote i gave tim an herbal mix for his problems and the results came quickly that just sounds like it made him shit fast i gave him this five minutes he was in the toilet just emptying out his insides that's what it sounds like he gave him a laxative instead it's the opposite he gave him concrete and a padlock that That's it. He said, quote, Tim was so proud, he even called me into the bathroom to show me what he did.

Look at that. Look. A log. It's all together. It's all together in one piece. Look. He picks it up. Look.

Holding it above his head. It's so dense. Holding it like He-Man with a sword. I can hit you with it. Look at it. I have the power. Unbelievable. Yeah. The power of Greystone. Was Look at it. I have the power. Unbelievable. Yeah.

The power of Greystone? Was that what it was? The power of Greystone. Yeah, I have the power of Greystone. And he says, Grey Skull. Grey Skull. Grey Skull. Not Greystone.

Grey Skull. It was a skull in the door. Grey Skull. Fuck, Jesus. Okay. The fucking castle was a skull. It had the windows rise and the drawbridge was a mouth. Right, right.

Jesus, we suck. It's a skull. We're idiots. God damn. Why did I say stone? I don't know. Why would that be? Absolutely. Greystone.

Stupid I am. So Tim is super proud of his log. Back to this. That's good for you, Tim. I mean. He's three now. He's psyched about his log. Look, I made a boom boom.

He calls Jim Murphy in there. He goes, that's a nice log you got there, pal. This ID's fake. And he has it back. What are you fake talking about i'm 31 years old no so at this point he's in his 20s though so he murphy continues that after he showed me what he did when he'd go to the beach he would put suntan lotion on himself then spend five minutes in one position move his body a few degrees for five minutes and on and on. He was a wonderful guy.

So innocent and naive with a quirky personality and a witty sense of humor. Trying to get perfection, too, with the evenness of his tan. Yes. And his look is a big thing for him. Got it. In the ring. Like, he has bleach blonde hair. Yeah.

He's a wrestler is what he is. He really should have been a wrestler. Honestly. He likes to bang around in the ring and shit like that. He should have been a wrestler. Honestly, he likes to bang around in the ring and shit like that. He should have been a wrestler because he comes out. He knows how to be a showman. He's got Ric Flair hair, number one, except spiky. He'll have spiky bleach blonde hair.

He'll have these purple outfits and weird leotard things that he'll come out with. At one point, he has seven women he comes out with, like a wrestler would have. That's what he has like seven women he comes out with like a like a wrestler like a wrestler would have that's what he has yeah but this is in you know in the 80s he's doing this which wrestlers weren't even to that boxing you know into that now too yeah well yeah because they got to be showman it's what it is but boxing's trying to say like even if you find the fight boring the intro will be so much fun you know it's it's kind of what they do in wwe in a mask that the eyes light up wwe these guys you'll see an intro where you're like jesus christ i mean it's a fucking elaborate i even wrestle at this point i mean that's the show you just did this crazy intro now just have the guys go yeah then if the vote audience say which intro was better i feel like that's you might as well

just do that at this point with some of the guys a round of applause it was better it was like back in the day there was a few guys with an elaborate intro but nobody was seven minutes long some of these guys it's fucking insane how long their intro is and it's like i've never heard of this guy why did it take him that long to get to the ring yeah what is happening so and then the bell rings and it's garbage so that's what happens so uh sometimes sometimes it's good but uh anyway he the baseball team was not happy. The Cubs are basically saying you can't box and play baseball at the same time. You can't go hit things and then show up to pitch the next day because if you break your hand, what happens then?

So they say you got to either play baseball or box. And he saw the fact that he could probably be a professional in boxing easier. he could probably be a professional in boxing easier because i mean if you're on the low if you're in some low rookie league thing trying to catch on with a team your chances of making it to the majors are infinitesimal they're so tiny it's not even funny and you take away a fastball and there's even less that's what i mean you have you have so many that you have first of all everyone they've ever drafted is ahead of you because they've given those people money so they were invested in that. It's a business.

They're already in. Yeah. You have to be twice as good as them for them to cut him over you because they're not going to lose money. Nope. That's the way it works. So it's really difficult to catch on in that way. So whereas boxing, you never know. You could be a garbage half-assed professional.

You get a half-decent fight. You win it. You could be next thing you know, you're Rocky. You get a shot pretty soon. It happens. We've seen that happen how many times with our boxers baseball very rare you know you have to be like a toe nash where it's like we found this kid he hits the ball 450 feet no one's ever seen him before because he's from the swamp and shit like that like that's never heard of a pencil he's never heard of him he doesn't know they exist yeah no he doesn't know he just no he just writes it in the dirt with his finger.

But he can't read anyway, so it doesn't matter. That was weird. His eraser is just scribbling out the dirt. I don't know what's happening. He just uses his foot and he says, there, it's my eraser. Yeah, it was a very The Scout situation that was. I remember us talking about that. I'm trying to make as many references to past episodes as possible since we're on 200.

What the hell? We've got enough. It's good.'s i mean we have a lot to reference everything is sort of like something i guess so he he decides he's going to kind of go all in on boxing now while he was in florida boxing bouncing and playing baseball he was also attending a school which doesn't exist anymore called the florida school of medicinal assistance in fort lauderdale really that sounds on the up and up doesn't it jesus christ it sounds like some some creepy hairy fat fat guy where they write oxycodone prescriptions or something or somebody just trying to fuck chicks that want to be uh doctor's assistants yeah now let me show you how to how to let me show you how to do that massage correctly get over now lay on your back you're gonna be doing a lot of milking of prostate so

let's start here let's start with mine there you go so he uh yeah he starts there and he starts he goes there for kinesiology is that how you say it uh-huh kinesiology which is the uh i guess the study of uh muscle movement okay i guess I don't know. He goes there. It sounds like a place where they give out chiropractic degrees, too, and shit like that. So he gets a certificate. He has a certificate saying he completed the course. So he's apparently ready to be a kinesiologist. I don't know what the advantage to that is.

I don't know. Is that a specialist? I don't know. There's people out there doing it, probably going, that's very important work. You'd need one if you had... Or somebody going, yeah, I got mine at the 7-Eleven. Or somebody like, if you had MS, it would be healthy or something like that, and I'm making fun of it.

Or it's complete garbage. It's like getting a degree in astrology. Or a degree from ITT Tech. Yeah. Or a degree from any place that charges you a shitload of money and doesn't make you show up anywhere. A certificate at the Barbizon store. One of those.

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So if a guy studied anything, he's Doc. You know about muscles and stuff? He's a doctor, this guy. He might as well be. We're calling him Doc. I don't know. He knew what muscle this was without looking it up on a chart. So yeah, he's Doc.

Fucking ridiculous. That guy grew weed, so we call him Bot. He's a botanist. You know how that goes. Bot. Hey he's he's always been a fighter yeah all he used to get in trouble a lot as a kid for fighting so he never has an aversion to fighting one day he i guess he was 14 years old and a cop was roughing him up he was getting basically the cops came and broke up a kid brawl and one of the cops told him that he should uh you know why don't you go to the boxing gym it's a boxing gym you live caught you fighting five times on the street there's a boxing gym once you go there stupid you can fight people and i won't arrest you for it

making me do paperwork i won't take you to juvie for it you can just go in there and do it so he thought that was a good deal he ends up winning the midwestern amateur championship yeah as a as a uh as an amateur at one point here yeah right then he said okay and he went in a building it was right in front of him he just went right in there and next thing you know by seven that night he was the midwestern amateur champion in his street clothes and everything that would be amazing he just had some back then some pf flyers and some some jeans on and a bugle boy shirt he's ready to go so let's go bring it yeah so uh yeah he said the first the first time i heard about him boxing he came home with a trophy is what his father says

awesome so he said i didn't even know he was boxing and he came home hey i won a tournament he's like do you box yeah the fuck is that about i thought you were playing baseball that's impressive what's going on here so yeah he has a lot of amateur fights. He ends up having 105 amateur fights altogether, according to the Orlando Sun Sentinel. 105 fights between 81 and 83. All in Florida? What? Yeah, 105. That's every week.

Oh, amateur fights. Yeah, these amateur fights, they are. Wow. And it's April, yeah, like April 81 to June 83. He has 105 fights. James, that's literally one a week. That's insane. That's so much.

That's crazy. He lost so much. That's crazy. He lost his first fight, I know. His first amateur fight was in Coconut Grove against a guy named Woody Clark, who has a 33-8 amateur record and had a 6-15-1 pro career. But Tim lost this fight by TKO in round three. I know. That's how he started out his boxing career. He got knocked out, and he's like i'll do

it tomorrow i'll get come on i'll do it next week and every six days for the next hundred weeks i'll be back who wants to punch tim in the face wow what was his record over that i don't know what his record was we had 105 amateur fights and some of them some of these amateur fights they're not real good at record keeping and shit like that because unless you're in like a golden glove situation or some of these more organized things, they don't keep as good a records. It's just basically amateur fights. It could be anywhere or anything. Hundred and five.

Hundred and five. So he he turns pro in June of 1983. And he's he's ripped. He's got a real muscular body. He's six foot one. He's about 20 real muscular body. He's 6'1". He's about 205 pounds. And muscular as shit. Small heavyweight, though.

205 is a rough weight for a heavyweight. I mean, unless you're Mike Tyson back in the day when he was fighting at 215, and you're the hardest hitter in the history of the world. Unless you're that guy, it's real hard to be 205 as a heavyweight. Vander Holyfield dominated the heavyweight oh vander holyfield yeah dominated the heavyweight division for years that's not waiting six one two 205 you can be agile but vander holyfield was also a different kind of fighter and he's kind of special there's not a lot of vander holyfields out there his body was insane his body wasn't he was righted to shit

his body was insane he knew how to box he was an olympic boxer he knew how to point box he knew how to go the distance when he had a guy that he knew how to take a guy's power away by hugging him and headbutting him constantly and shit like that like an 18 inch waist he knew oh yeah waist was so small he had a very shoulders were enormous body made for boxing like that too because he got a lot of torque out of that waist on that big upper body and yeah he was he was tough man so uh but 205 otherwise if you're not evander holyfield not like a special kind of evander holy feels like a greek god like not a lot of people are evander holyfield so unless you're him 205 is rough because if you got a guy that's 240 that's a tough fight to win you know i mean

it's just hard a guy who can box 35 pounds on you is a lot yeah especially when you get that weight coming at you yeah and he's also a vegetarian which is strange our boy he's a vegetarian he figured he found that for his stomach issues that's how he was how did he get 205 on him that's what i'm saying that's crazy to be a vegetarian for a heavyweight boxer i'm sure they exist now because there's a lot of different things you can do now. But in 1983, if you wanted protein, they'd say, well, eat meat, stupid. That's it. I don't know.

Have like 10 chicken breasts today. You must have just been hammering peanuts. And peanuts. And peanut butter. And peanut butter. And I don't know what else. More peanuts. And more stuff like that.

Maybe some walnuts. I don't know. Some soy shit. Tofu. Tofu. Yeah. Colin Kaepernick was a vegetarian, some soy shit, tofu. Tofu. Yeah. Colin Kaepernick was a vegetarian, too. Yeah, yeah.

He is, I guess. You can see. But Colin Kaepernick is also not getting punched in the face. He's getting tackled. He's getting smashed. It's a little different, though. But he ends up being trained a little bit by, and also all the purple, crazy ring attire and shit.

Things boxers weren't wearing in the ring in 1983 for that much. He is trained a little bit by Randall Tex Cobb. You know who Randall Tex Cobb is? I do. Okay. I would like Jimmy to Google search Randall Tex Cobb right now. Why can't I see his face? Because you're going to see.

I just want to see the look on Jimmy's face. And he goes, oh, that guy. Holy shit. He's awesome. Is it Tex? Just Tex? Tex. Randall Tex Cobb. Check that out, Jimmy.

Look him up. Anyway, Randall Tex Cobb was a boxer. And he has a very interesting life. He might have an episode. I have to find a little more on him. But anyway, Tex Cobb boxed. And he was a heavyweight contender actually in the 70s here um he's the goddamn brazing arizona fucking bad guy on the motorcycle

that's who fucking randall tex cobb yes that's why i know who he is a shitload of movies i mean he's just in a ton of movies trained him yeah he was a professional boxer he trained this he trained him right in the beginning here i thought he played football that's why i think he played football also that before on the show that i think that guy played football i think he played football as well i think he played football first and then boxed if i'm not mistaken my god he looked like a horrifying boxer absolutely and he was a contender in the 70s but he was kind of a bummy contender he was he's a white contender yeah now there's a certain in the 70s and 80s and this will will come up because this is where Tim Anderson comes into, in the 70s and 80s, they needed white contenders.

People, there was still a lot of racism and shit like that. Not that there isn't now, but it was worse in the 70s and in the 80s and things like that. And they wanted a white guy to fight. They wanted Rocky. They had him fight Larry Holmes. That's what I mean. He was a heavyweight contender.

They always wanted rocky they wanted some scrappy white guy to fight this you know big unbeatable black guy so the white people will watch and have some hope it's just it's sad it's really this is where you end up with jerry cooney and guys like that and so but a white challenger is a big deal so a guy like tex cobb not that great of a fighter can have a long career sure just being a white he's like not that great of a fighter can have a long career just being a white he's like it's like being a left-handed relief pitcher you just have an extra there's an extra 10 fights in it for you to get knocked around you know by a by a heavyweight challenger black guy you know basically so tex cobb uh when he first met him and trained him

tex says and uh uh let's see uh derogative derogative uh homosexual slur here coming up derogative gay slur here but uh there's no other way to say it i don't know how this is taxed said it tech said it to him oh boy when he walked in and saw how he was dressed he said quote i know you can fight because the way you dress you'd embarrass the puerto ricans and the faggots that's that's what he said to him which i don't know you can pick what you want is most offensive thing of that there's a lot of offensive shit in there but wow that's that's a lot to unpack there but anyway what about the puerto rican ones yeah would that embarrass them too i guess they're all it's all encompassing not if they're in the parade so guys don't get

embarrassed easy no no no a gay puerto rican does not is not easily not easily shamed not at all they're the most happy people there are they're in the front of the parade yeah with big smiles like fuck yeah do your thing dude for you do your fucking thing you look happy as shit you know you look you look gay yeah like Happy as shit. You know, you look gay. Like, happy. Happy as fuck.

Go get them, Sonya. Carry on, sir. Hats off to you. Enjoy. So they, everybody, it's weird because Tim is not outside the ring to his friends, to everybody. He's a very gentle person. He's not a guy who likes violence. Like I said, he's like a vegetarian.

He has some poetry he does. He's not a guy who likes violence. Like I said, he's like a vegetarian. He has some poetry he does. He's not a guy who's into violence. So his friends say that he's very out of place almost. A former girlfriend of his, who we'll also find out is the sister of an interesting character here, said, quote, before Tim could get in the ring and hit someone, he had to mentally psych himself up for three days. Three days of staring at walls and finding some hate in him. He had to waterboy boxing?

Yeah. He had to find hatred to punch somebody. He really did. He had to do that. Many times I wondered why Tim was even in boxing. He always had the same answer. He liked working out. Yeah.

So this is a way where he could basically make a career out of working out. Wild. Because he was into working out. God damn it. to get punched in the face a lot too that's nuts it's a lot of work it's earning it yeah it is earning those reps i would say so here uh we'll go through some of these early fights quick his pro career starts january or june 14th 1983 at the sherwood club in indy okay which doesn't sound like a place where the top sporting events would be there. He flights, Jesus, Floyd Cyclone Saunders, who's a two and ten career fighter.

They just pulled him out from behind a dumpster. Like, Floyd, we need you again. Bring in Cyclone. It's the Cyclone, everybody. He's like taking off all of his layers because he's homeless. Because he's cold. Sleeping back there. In Indy. Hold on a minute. This goes all four rounds. because he's homeless. Because he's cold. Sleeping back there. And Indy.

Hold on a minute. This goes all four rounds. Oh, my God. It's not a great start here. Wins by decision, Tim does. He's 1-0. July 28, 1983 at the Americana Congress Hotel in Indianapolis. He sticks around Indy, huh?

He sticks around Indy because that's kind of where he was training. So that's where you're going to get your fights for where your trainers have their tentacles in. Is that where Tex lived? Tex? I don't think he lived in Indiana, probably. He might have gone somewhere else to train initially. Probably Chicago.

I'm going to guess Chicago. This fight, he fights John Cox, who has no nickname. Nothing. If anyone could use a nickname. How about big? It's John Cox. Or John Sucks Cox because his career record is 237 and 2. nothing if anyone could use a nickname about big it's john cox or john sucks cox because his career record is 237 and two big maybe that's why i guess if you had such a big cock you

wouldn't concentrate on boxing as much as you should did you train this week i can't like i was admiring my cock it's huge i was showing it to people i was telling people about it i'm very busy with it it's a lot to do just think that guys who have like a guys have like a giant like a just a ridiculous show penis you know what i mean not a not even a penis where a woman's like yeah that's perfect one where they're like oh god that's that's too much what are you doing with that just a show penis they gotta have fun with that thing the ever elusive show yeah just like whipping it out on tables and shit just pow what do you think of that with your friends you know not like right like at an office or anything right but it's like a restaurant it's like a a truck that's lifted four feet it's completely useless that's what i'm saying so big it's

useless it's a show truck a show penis it's a trick penis i'd love to have it it's just to be like look at that i can only tug it here it is around like a lasso yeah you just want to if you rub the helmet i finish give it a shot so that's what this is i can't fit it anywhere this goes all four rounds again yeah so it's another decision for tim here he wins this decision thankfully that wasn't one of the two wins against this guy anybody with cox as a nick as a last name the middle name is the nickname is going to sound like it goes with it it just ruins every chance of having a nickname you almost have to have an alliterative nickname with the first name you have to be like jumping john cox or something or something like that right it's got to go before the first yeah because it can't be john the bull cocks the bull cocks and it can't go after it right because that would be yeah john cocks anything else would be bad anything if cocks is

the first word of it it's not cyclone nope nope cock cyclone's not gonna work wow it's a cyclone of cock everybody run for your lives the cock storm's coming the cock storm's coming it'll be here by nightfall it's coming in on the jet stream anything in the middle just that's awful the storm cocks oh my god jesus that sounds like just abrasive that's bad stuff so september 7th 83 he's fighting him by the way that's june july and now september he fights floyd the cyclone sanders. Why are you fighting this bum twice? Poor guy. This is Cyclone's last fight.

He's done. I've had enough. Jesus, I've been pummeled to a 2-10 record, and that's all I can take. And this was another decision. So he's seen the Cyclone, sees what he has, still can't put him away before the end of the fight. The Cyclone in his last fight.

3-0, though, for him. So look at Tim. It's 3-0. The Doc. 3-0, though, for him. So look, Tim is 3-0. The Doc, 3-0. September 30th, 1983, so three weeks later, he's at the Eagles Club in Milwaukee, which sounds like a lot of drunken Milwaukeeans drinking beer around there. I'm kind of impressed.

I'm kind of impressed by anybody that can fight in the Midwest and win multiple times. Anytime, even pro or amateur, whatever. In the Midwest, those people don't feel a fucking thing. No, it's cold. They're drunk. They're outside without a fucking jacket on. That's true.

They don't feel it. I don't know if they're as accustomed to punches in the face as they are to the cold. I don't know. If their skin can't feel the cold, they're numb. We'll be in Milwaukee. Winter will be in Milwaukee. Fucking December. December.

No, that's- Is it November? It's November 6th. Jesus. We're going to be in milwaukee winter we'll be in milwaukee fucking december december no that's is it november it's november 6th we're gonna be in milwaukee at the past people will guaranteed people will be walking around with short sleeves on like they did in december when i was there last year it was 20 degrees outside i'll walk up to them and say are you cold and they'll say no i'll go cool and then i'm gonna punch them right in the nose go did that hurt and if they go no go fuck awesome but i bet they have a different reaction to it but they're a hearty people is what you're getting yeah well not everybody's from there that's fighting there but they're also numb they're not the drunk it's the drink first and then all their blood vessels are super deep yeah back inside all my blood vessels are right up against my organs that's

where i keep them that's how it keeps us warm i keep them next to my organs so they don't you know wear out and get too close to the surface there people punch them i don't like that when that happens so uh makes it makes the blood trip around the body real short you see it's you know it's easier that way too it's just closer in there you know into my kidneys and stuff it protects them everything's all protected nice. So I keep the booze outside of that. That's what I do. I got a layer of booze.

A layer of booze. And then and then outside of that is the beef. I got that. There's a blubber layer. And then I got the skin. I got a booze layer. And then I keep the nerve endings close to the organs so nobody can feel them. That's how I work my body.

That's how I work my body. That's fun. Let's do the rest of the show like that. All right, so September 30th, 1983, all right? Those guys with the ribeye layer? Those guys with the ribeye layer. I keep the nerve endings right up against my liver, my spleen's all protected nice. And my rib eyes.

It's not bad. Eagles Club, Milwaukee. It's a hell of a place. It's not bad. He fights James Wilder here that night. He comes in 0-4, and the rest of his career doesn't go much better. He finishes his career three wins, 53 losses one draw why 57 fights oh my god literally that's a man in boxing there are people whose careers are okay you're gonna go

lose to that guy now that's their career he goes in there he makes 200 300 bucks and he goes home that's how he makes his ends meet you're talking about making 15 grand over a career though to have severe brain damage yeah to fight 57 to lose 53 times get beat up 53 times jesus christ and this fight goes the distance tim goes the distance with him and wins here so four and oh for tim grace yeah this is grace nothing even to celebrate not a lot to celebrate he does have cool hair yeah. Yeah. He's got a pretty good body. Yeah. He can celebrate that, I guess. He beat Crohn's disease for a bit.

He's pushing Crohn's disease into remission. Crohn's disease into remission. That's what he's doing. He's pushing it right down the pipe there. That's impressive. Good for you, pal. So he can barely beat James Wilder with a.353 in one career record. But Crohn's disease? No problem.

Not a problem. Jesus, he should do a commercial. So, November 11th, 1983, back at the Eagles club, because why not? Guess who he's fighting again? Fucking the second guy? James Wilder again. Oh, wait, what? He's fighting 353 in one again. Why is he fighting this guy?

Well, I don't know. That's what I mean. He fights a lot of guys more than once. You're like, for what? It's already over. But it was a decision. So he fights a rematch against Wilder, who's now 0-5, obviously. And this fight goes the distance again. And Tim loses.

Who the hell was asking for Anderson Wilder 2? Anderson Wilder 2 on pay-per-view. Anderson and Wilder 2 on pay-per-view. Take your shirts off. Everybody take your sweats. Anderson Wilder 2 on pay-per-view. Anderson and Wilder 2 on pay-per-view. Take your shirts off. Everybody take your sweats. Anderson Wilder 2. They're clobbering for it. We're going to see what this decision is.

They're the most evenly matched fighters in the history of the world. They're playing punch for punch. They're both terrible. So one of his, he has 50, Wilder has 57 career fights of which he has walked out of the ring happy three times. Yeah. And this is one of them. So this guy, so Anderson lost to a guy who only won three out of 57 fights.

We have to keep that in, in, uh, this is fucking, that's bad. Yeah. You have to go reassess your life at that point. For sure. I lost to that fucking guy. I mean, he didn't know he'd be three 53-1, but he was 0-5 at the time. So not great. So November 19, 1983, he fights in Hammond.

He's fighting Steve Cooper this night. This is his professional debut. Long storied career in front of Steve Cooper. He ends up with an 0-3 career. Very, very just a storied. I'm sure they'll make a 30-for-30 on him or something. You can see it. Very, very, just a storied. I'm sure they'll make a 30-for-30 on him or something. You can see it.

This is a first-round knockout. I don't know if they got, they're like, okay, who is a guy who Tim can knock out? Because he's really filling down after the last one, I feel like. You know, he lost to Wilder there. He's not feeling good. Listen, we found a guy. He's got MS. I'm not going to lie.

You know, he's a little shaky. On got MS. I'm not going to lie. He's a little shaky. On his feet, he's not that good. But I'm telling you, he's got a decent jab. So I think this will be a good fight for you. He's got a decent jab because he only has one arm. Yeah. So, you know, that's it. But if you get on that side of him, you better watch out. It's dangerous.

This is a first-round knockout. Tim is very excited. He's going to put you down, i'll tell you what uh five and one now for tim next he's february 7th 84 he fights jim badass hern oh boy badass badass has a 528 and one career fighter not very badass i mean you're pretty badass on the street probably uh you know in a 7-eleven if someone cut you in line you could probably put them right in their place. But in the ring with other trained professionals. On the construction site, you're pretty bad. Pretty badass.

Tim knocks him out in the third round. Badass going down here. Maybe he's just got a flat ass and it's a really bad one. It's a real dumpy badass. It's like one of those high, wide, and flat. It comes to a triangle. It's a Tyson Fury ass. It's a real dumpy bad ass. It's like one of those high, wide and flat. It comes to a triangle. It's not a good ass. Not a good ass.

Six and one. February 10th, 84, he's at the Racquetball Club in Phoenix. Oh, I know where that is. Yeah, we know where the racquetball is. That's that one over there on Central. Yeah, it's on Central. I was going to say Central. It's that weird looking place. Yeah, that weird looking place. It's 70s. Yeah, well, there on Central. Yeah, it's on Central. I was going to say Central. Indian School? Yeah. Yeah, that weird-looking place.

It's been there since the 70s. Yeah, well, there you go. 84, it was definitely there. There you go. It's brand new. Someone was fighting there. It's kicking off. Absolutely.

Tim is fighting there. He's fighting Pedro Garcia. Really? Who might be an alias. I don't know. Because this is his debut, and he ends up an 0-3 career fighter. Hilarious. I feel like Pedro, somebody was just like listen

okay uh i'm not gonna pay you for the work today at the construction site but listen pedro i got if you're willing to put some gloves on and meet me at the racquetball club at seven o'clock i'll get you a payday how's that sound sad shit wait i'm gonna fight there yeah oh yeah you're gonna fight oh no you're gonna fight for sure what to, like, build some shelves or something? No, no, no, no. You're going to fight. No, boxing gloves, not, like, construction gloves. At the racquetball court.

Yes, absolutely. We're going to put you in the middle of it and have some guy pummel you. He's feeling down about himself, so you understand, right? Get on in there, chief. You know how that works. He's coming off a loss. Yeah, he's coming off a loss. Be careful.

Bring your ID because Jim Murphy is going to be checking at the door, so watch out. He's spot a fake. Yeah, so this is a round one TKO because obviously the guy finished 0-3. So Tim won this fight. 7-1 for Tim. February 24th, 84, which is two weeks later. He's fighting in La Porte, Indiana. He fights Davis Carter.

No nickname there again davis two first name carter or two last names right one uh two and twelve coming in two and sixteen career so not too wonderful for davis carter third round tko eight and one for tim now march 29th he waits a month let his brain heal a little uh 84 he's in in Hammond, Indiana, fighting Donald Myart, who's an 0-7 career fighter. And this is his last fight. So we know how this fight goes. Third round TKO for Tim. 9-1 for Tim.

Brings us to April 10th. That's an ambidextrous name, James. Davis Carter. It is. You can go either way. There you go, Jimmy. You can go either way. Left and right, fine. That works. You could go either way. Left and right, fine.

That definition, I think, works out. I think so, too. It tracks. Fuck it. Why not? So he beats Donald Maillard 9-1 there. April 10th, 84, Indiana again. He fights Frank Minton, who's 8-1 coming in.

He turns out 28-33-2 over his career so kind of middling journeyman there this is a third round tko but tim loses by tko in the third round so bringing him to nine and two and uh yeah this is his career starting to get a little starting to get a little bit funky and we'll talk about what ends up happening and who comes into it to change it a little bit here it's fascinating because as a kid when i watched boxing i would see records and i've talked about this before where you see a big number and a small number and you think that's convincing and yeah yeah it shows you what they they dominate and just show their will in the ring at nine and two there is nothing even convincing me that he should be boxing at this point. He is terrible at this. He's fought, you know, yeah, just regular bums.

Nobody with a big career. The wins aren't even impressive. No, they're not. The first four were decisions against bums. So, you know, and then he lost to a guy with three wins out of 57 fights. So his career is not impressive at this point whatsoever. He's not shown any spark of anything. May 18th, 84 in La in laporte he fights james angel

who this is his debut and apparently he went to heaven with the other angels because this is his last fight as well and he said this isn't for me no i don't think so i'm gonna go back first round tko so his career lasted less than a round less than 30 minutes he trained for at least a few months for this and then he was like wow that was 14 seconds long holy shit never mind maybe i'll try woodworking yeah i'd like to make a birdhouse is that possible anybody know how to do that i'm gonna do that while i still have the brain to do geometry yeah i think he realized i can't do that anymore so 10 and 2 for mr and, for Doc here. June 28th, 84, at the Holiday Star Theater in Merrillville, he fights Roy Safford, who is a 3-1 fighter coming in,

5-14 for his career. So it didn't quite go well. This goes the distance. It's a unanimous decision. Loss for Tim. Not good. This is not a guy you should lose to. Roy Safford with a 5-14 career record.

That's horrible. Terrible. So 10-3 for Tim. It's going downhill. September 18, 1984, he fights Louis Pappin, who's got a 1-9-1 career record. That's his career. 1-9-1. 11 fights.

11 fights. This goes the distance. He can't knock out this guy. Wins by decision decision thankfully yeah 11 and 3 october 23rd 1984 he fights frank lux who will fight i believe three times literally three fucking times he'll fight this guy this is anderson lux one anderson lux one none of none of them needed a rematch it's not like none of them they weren't even like good fights or anything i could see maybe this guy says oh i want to want to fight him again, a rematch.

But then after that, if it's the same result, what are we doing? It's over. He fights Frank Lux, who's six and seven coming in 20, 36 and one career. Lux is a mediocre middling journeyman like the rest of them here. Tim wins this fight in the third round by TKO, bringing him to 12-3 and bringing a very interesting character into his life here. We got to talk about this guy because he's going to come in huge. And I mean that in many different ways because I'll show you a picture of him. It's pretty fucking funny.

His name is Rick Elvis Parker. Yeah. Okay. We talked about him. We talked about him briefly. He's the manager of Mark Gastineau at that time and also of Tim Anderson for a long time. He managed both. He managed both.

Now, check out. I have a picture. Yeah. Check out Rick. Holy. Check out Elvis. He is a big fat fuck. It would be the best.

He's a neck beard. He's six, six, four, three, 50 ginger neck beard, bullfrog neck, ginger neck beard, big silly sunglasses like Elton John and a fucking wow. That's a wig, by the way. It has to be. And a big red mullet wig. Right. Is what he's wearing.

It's a lot of ridiculous looking. This is who we're talking about. He looks like a fat car salesman. Yeah. With that bullfrog neck is just the gross oh that's why he's just put ginger beard on it to make it better it's oh boy oh boy he's one of those guys that even with a tie on he has to have his top button unbuttoned because his neck doesn't fit in his shirt because it's just too fat that's so much that's this guy he insists everyone calls

him elvis by the way you must call him elvis here a little bit about him he's from missouri born in 1955 he grows up in a shit broken home not not great things going on drops out of high school when he's 16 and uh instead tries to figure out ways to scheme and scam money oh he's that guy that's what he does he's a hustler he's a hustler hustler baby he's a boxing promoter what boxing promoter isn't a fucking hustler that's a hustler's game i mean it's everything holy shit you can get people to beat each other up and then steal the money that they earn to do so that's awesome that's amazing that's for and clearly not by razors made made for a hustler here uh he drops out like i, 16 and hits the street. He moves to Lakeland, Florida, where he begins.

First, he tries to be a pool hustler for a while. He gets that. People call him Sneaky Pete, which is fucking great. There's a show called Sneaky Pete on Amazon. I wonder if it has anything to do with this fucking crap. I think it's just rhyming. It just rhymes. Maybe. That's a thing, right?

It sounds. Sneaky Pete. Yeah, I think it just sounds. All right. Yeah, that's why they go, he's a sneaky Pete, that one. Yeah. I think it's one of those there. So he also, Jesus Christ, he would get kids from the neighborhood to do yard work.

He'd go around and get book- like yard work jobs when he was young when he was like 16 and he would get then for let's say you know i'll mow your lawn for 20 bucks contract it out then he'd go get some 10 year olds to mow the lawn for seven bucks and then he wouldn't even give the kid seven bucks that's not even contracting it out that's a boxing promoter right there he said well i can just get money for other people doing work, and then I don't even have to pay them. Amazing. I'm going into boxing. That's the only, that's what it is.

Boxing, or do I want to own a comedy club? Which one would I rather do? Comedy club or boxing? Well, I'd like to see the people get brain damaged, but I'd also like to emotionally hurt them and make them think they've been working for years for nothing but i could either way i'm dangling a carrot oh it's so hard i can't believe he was not paying them oh yeah he would just fuck people over and not pay them find a child and not give him the money yeah yeah he he found a uh company called sun station or a cleaning agent he called sun station

where he would uh jesus christ man he would go from uh basically uh you know door to door and he'd have people you know throw dirt on your carpet and clean it up with this shit so he'd recruit people into that shit so scamming he's a scumbag he's a scumbag he's the type of guy who drops off a group of people on a corner in a van to go knock on your door and sell shit.

With a handful of rat pellets and drop it on patios and say, we need to spray your place. We need to spray your place or go and dirty your carpet up and go, look how great this sun station

cleans your shit up. Isn't that amazing? Just a dirt bag. He also figured out a company called American Safety Industries he founded which sounds very like it could be anything sounds like a an umbrella company that steals cash yeah uh he got according to this article in the orlando sun sentinel they i love the quote they use so i have

to use it he said says quote parker recruited his sales force from a seemingly endless population of teen runaways and hot-headed ex-cons. What the fuck, man? Which is a wonderful business model. I'd like to hire teenagers who are currently wanted and people who just got out of the joint who I'm not sure about yet. And put them in strangers' homes to clean shit for me. Go knock on people's doors. Right.

Yeah. So this was like, yeah, it was the same thing as when kids knock on your door with the magazines and a lot of those are scams and shit some of them aren't but uh a lot of them are scams so more on that in a minute though uh it's uh really crazy here now he claims he starts doing that and he's just a basic hustler he starts ending up promoting rock concerts as we'll talk about he claims that the boxing epiphany came to to him uh in 1985 now he calls himself the white don king okay that's his on the white don king yeah that's that's who he is here and he's trying to be big and brash and bold like don king but don king has a certain talent for that shit. If you listen to Don King talk bullshit,

he's really good at it. He sounds like he's saying something when he's not. He's an amazing con man. Watch him do a pre-fight press conference from the 80s, and watch how he's a fucking maestro. He's like a conductor up there, just as the press eating out of his hands right

he's really good at it samuel jackson basically parodied him in the great white hype oh yeah same thing yeah he was so good at it absolutely my brother am i your brother yeah my man my man so uh yeah he was selling sensational was the sun was the product, and that's how he was getting a lot of his money, this Elvis Parker. His half-sister, Diane, who we'll talk about plenty, Diane and Tim end up being an item later on. Really? They fall in love with each other, and they're an item. Diane's also Elvis's half, not Elvis Presley, Elvis Parker's half-sister. So she was involved in the sensational business here.

She had her own territories. Because it was like, you know, you get people under you. It's like direct marketing. Not direct marketing. No, it's multi-level. Multi-level marketing. There you go. It's that sort of thing.

So she had her own territory and all that sort of shit. The newspaper does that. Did you know that? Oh, fuck yeah. It's fucking terrible. Oh, yeah, absolutely yeah it's a lot of fun to scam that shit that's wonderful right there's a lot of that business model folded there's so many of those going on there every time i see like some some it's usually you usually women get drawn into that somehow distribution that's who they're going after because it's like women's products trying to distribute them to women right otherwise guys

don't have a lot of products no i got this thing for your balls you'd be like my balls are fine and you move on also men aren't that driven to actually succeed in a in a in a market of like do it all on your own we'd rather go into the fucking private sector and and well just fucking hammer the nails as the best entrepreneurial spirits and men. There's entrepreneurial spirits in men, too. Not as much. I don't know. I would say most businesses started, or not most,

but I bet a good percentage of businesses started or started by men. That's probably true. Not saying more or less. I just mean I don't think any gender has more ambition. Strip and Mary Kay is hardly starting a business. You know what I mean?

No, that's what I mean. Those industries are mostly done by women because they can do it in their home in their spare time. That's who they go after. They're predators with their own friends. Hey, I see you just had a baby in your home. You're off work for a few months. How'd you like to make a few extra bucks?

I got something for you. That's why they end up screwing the women over. Check out this toothpaste. Yeah, exactly. your bucks i got something for you that's why they end up screwing the women over toothpaste yeah exactly they're only mostly beauty products and shit like that and or fucking yoga pants if i sell three tubes of toothpaste i can pay my gas bill oh my god it's amazing no it's ridiculous so he diane said her own brother elvis cheated her out of all of her money and earnings from sensational so he even scammed his own sister which is uh fucking wild yeah they they dropped dirt on the floor and all that sort of thing now uh a guy who's his former

partner last name is russon here this guy he said that he demanded everyone thought he everyone call him elvis it wasn't optional it's just you do this yeah the guy said quote he thought he really looked like elvis you know the elvis which he saw a picture of him what he doesn't look like fucking elvis i mean the last day on his on the toilet maybe maybe even at elvis's fattest elvis would go damn boy let himself go that's not very nice to call him me let himself go it's a shame look at that neck look at that neck. Look at that neck. You got a lot of chin fat, my friend. It's a lot of peanut butter and banana. Yeah.

He looked fucking ridiculous, though. I mean, he looked absolutely ridiculous. He would always had a portable electric piano with him. Always. Oh, like a Casio? Yeah, always had it with him, and he was terrible at playing it, but insisted on playing it all the time to get the party going. What? Oh, yeah.

They said that he had a purple limousine that he drove around in, that he got driven around in, and he starts promoting rock concerts. So he's got all this scam money from this sensational product and the rock concert thingies. I mean, I can screw musicians and boxers and he's so my sister everything about him so he would have a purple limousine they said he'd take the electric piano into every hotel room and they said as soon as it was plugged in the party would start and then go on until hotel management told him that he has to leave yeah basically here playing chopsticks that's the thing uh also he loves cocaine oh that guy that guy fucking loves cocaine wow you wouldn't imagine you think it would help it would slim him down

a little bit or something but is he nope he or you think his heart would explode but that goes to show you the human body can put up with a lot because this is a huge fat bastard doing apparently you can do a lot of coke eat a lot of taco bell and sit down and do nothing do nothing he loved crown royal and coke that was his thing and cocaine not got coke uh he said quote that his his limo driver dennis jones said that was his thing to numb himself crown and coke you know lines of coke he would spend uh his partner said he'd spend like 2500 a night on parties coke and booze and fucking around you know or mid-80s that sort of thing uh he says quote i'd be doing an ounce

of coke a night and he'd be trying to hang with me this is a friend of his uh he says quote it was the good life girls money drugs or so he thought at the time. Everyone had a good time. Everyone partied. So this isn't the type of guy probably Tim should hook up with based on how Tim is. His sister Erin says that she's the quadriplegic. She says, quote, Tim isn't stupid, but he trusted a lot of people he shouldn't trust. Parker was very flashy and addicted to drugs, which couldn't have been more different than Tim. I don't think Tim was ever high on anything except life and exercise. And we kind of get into that in a second, too.

But more on Elvis here for a minute. He is just a fucking, I mean, just scum. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. He's a runaway train of scum, bro. Everybody. He's terrible. Everybody.

His one-time partner here, the Rob Russon guy, he calls him a monster. Don Hazleton is the former executive director of the state athletic commission in florida and he says that parker was quote everything bad about boxing come to life so that's something uh a co-promote guy who also promoted fights a guy named steve bench benson said quote you look up scum in the dictionary and there Rick is. That is fucking amazing. This guy apparently promoted a fight with him at the War Memorial Auditorium in Fort Lauderdale in September 1992. And he said it ended in from Parker threats and against him and drugs. And he's got scammed. The fight was fixed.

Parker, by the way, fixes fights like crazy um he said he was never and then this guy said i never even got my cut of the money parker just stole the money and that's kind of what uh how it started so this guy started saying hey this parker guy fucking scammed me oh elvis is a scammer and shit got shit got around word got around that he was saying that so parker tried to scare him elvis thinks he's like a mob boss, too, here. Take his mullet off. He said, well, here's what Benson says. Quote, Parker called two, three, four nights a week late at night when I was in bed saying,

your life is over. We're going to get your wife. You better be looking over your shoulder. He says, hey, I was scared. This was a guy who was unbalanced. Fair enough. Yeah. Hazleton, who was the guy we talked about the

the state athletic commission guy it's a guy you should probably try to get along with he said that uh he was often threatened by parker also he said that he would uh say that he would he was going to hurt him quote legally physically every way he could think of which is interesting uh this this particular fight that they're talking about was a fight between Sonny Bartsch and Randall Tex Cobb. And Cobb was supposed to fight Tim Anderson that night, and Bartsch, who's the guy who ended up fighting Tex, said, quote, Tex saw what shape Anderson was in and got scared.

So he wasn't in good shape. I don't want to be part of that. Yeah, he said, I was never hit. Hazleton knew something right away. Basically, Tex ended up beating this guy in 70 seconds. This Barch fell down three times. And Barch said, quote, I was never hit.

He just took the dive. He took the dive. That's what he was supposed to do. And so the commissioner, the Hazleton guy, knew something was up right away. Got it. And that's where that came from. Apparently, the crowd booed like fucking crazy and the ring announcer said afterwards you know commentator said quote

well after that i think we have to cleanse ourselves that was quite dirty filthy which just happened here so it's fucking disgusting man uh he readily says that Parker Elvis readily says that Don King is what turned him on to this. He said he met Don King on a plane and a Delta flight to be exact in 1985. And he said happened to be sitting near him. And he mentioned Parker said he mentioned some of his that he was doing rock and roll promotions and shit like that. And this is his story. Parker says that Don King said, quote, you're wasting your time. Parker said, why is that?

And he said that Don King said, quote, get yourself a stable of white fighters then give me a call. That's what you should do. He said, you know, a bunch of white guys to fight my stable black guys. It's one of the things. You can have a white guy and a black guy boxer.

And if the white guy, and they're the same level of skill, not very good, the white guy is worth more in a title fight against a black guy for some reason you know it's so stupid so uh he said do that and uh don king said no that's it never fucking happened who's that guy okay yeah if don king is saying i i wouldn't talk to that fucking guy if you paid me. Yeah. You know you're scum. Don King looks down on you for your moral character.

Think about that. Yeah. He killed a guy and then stole countless millions of dollars from men who he forced to have brain damage for that. Yeah. What the fuck here? So, Don. That is not the conversation I had with him.

The conversation was, that cleans what yeah what the fuck out of my house get out of my house i don't want any magazines either your neck oh my off stakes fuck get out of here no i don't want any of it go yeah don king in response to this was asked by an interviewer said quote he was saying what i never sat beside him on no plane i never told him to get into boxing. Why would I do that? And they said, well, maybe you didn't remember him. This was like 10 years later.

Maybe you didn't remember him. And Don King said, quote, let me ask you something. Think I would forget meeting someone who looked like he did and called himself Elvis? Nope. Answers no. You'd never forget meeting that man in a million fucking years. You'd be like, I met this crazy, fat, fucking weird, bald guy with a wig and a ginger beard, and he called himself Elvis.

Crazy. You'd be telling that story for 20 years. So, yeah. His cheeks had no hair, but his Adam's apple was covered. It was weird. Super weird. Strange. Just a neck beard.

None of the rest of it. And his Adam's apple was from shoulder to shoulder. It was enormous. It was. He did have a fat Adam's apple on him, this guy. Big old fat Adam's apple. So Parker said in his way, Elvis says that Don King got him into it. And he said 1985, he jumped into boxing.

Right away, he signed Tim Anderson for $750 a week. He's going to pay Anderson to be both a boxer and his bodyguard and one of his bodyguards. It's like, well, I'll start a stable and the guys can work as my bodyguard and then go in the ring and fight. So if you need a bodyguard, that's fine. So he said they would split the boxing receipts, too. So $750 a week for that. And then if you fight, you know, you'll get a cut of the gate and we'll do it like that. That's what Elvis

told him anyway. So Parker paid Tim a little bit of money and you know the rest kind of off the books. Like oh here yeah I pay you this much and then the rest in cash under the table here. And he said that what he would do is the money that he was paying him that

they weren't claiming he said I'll hold on to it for you. I'll be your bank is what Elvis tells him. I'll be your bank the money that he was paying him that they weren't claiming he said i'll hold on to it for you i'll be your bank no this tells him i'll be your bank and then you know tell that to tim yeah tell it to tim i'll save it up for you that way you don't piss it away like script he's an adult yeah yeah so tim says quote he had a limo a ferrari more money than i'd ever seen a guy with money like that why wouldn't i trust him okay which i mean if you see a guy with a limo and a Ferrari and seems like he's got a big operation, you wouldn't think, what the fuck does he need my $700 for? Like, he'll pay me.

He doesn't need that money. Also, a guy that had 105 fights and now professional fights also. Yeah. Not everything all there. Exactly. And never has had any business training or any sort of business acumen. He's just been punching, kicking and throwing. There's not a lot of he's got to run a yoke, not a lot of business training or any sort of business acumen he's just been punching kicking and throwing there's not a lot of he's got a runny yolk not a lot of business training in there so may 22nd

85 he's in hammond again and he fights frank lux again again lux lux anderson 2 see lux anderson 2 okay the deuce yeah wins by unanimous decision 13 and 3 the deuce. It was the shit. Oh, baby. March 1st, 86, he waits a while to fight. That's after Parker started managing him. I think Parker was trying to... Space him out a little. Just try to reconstitute his career and figure out the path for him here. So March 1st, 86, he's at the Showboat in Vegas. Yeah.

It's better than the Eagles Club in Milwaukee. You know what I mean? I don't even know where the showboat is. I don't think it's around anymore. I think they tore it down. It's where they used to tape the AWA wrestling show that was on ESPN after school in the 80s when we were kids. That's where that came from.

It must have been over on Fremont, right? I'm sure. Yeah. Or in between, like around the Sahara, that fucking weird area down there. Who knows? Or by the White Sands. Yeah. Not the Sands.

Not the Sands. He fights Lightning Bob Smith. Yeah. down there who knows or by the white sands yes not the sands he fights lightning bob smith yeah bob smith is like if anyone needs to i need a nickname worse than cox bob smith i can't do it i can't do it he comes in really blend in i'm just in here and they don't even notice me they think my corner guy's the guy fighting like i, I have the gloves on. He's 3-2-2 coming in. 4-3-2 for his career. Oh, boy. So not wonderful.

And this is a first-round TKO loss for Tim. Tim loses to this guy. Bob gave him the business. He gave him the lightning. Yeah. Fucking put him down. That's why they call him lightning. Round one.

Yeah. 13-4 now for Tim. I doubt Elvis was too happy about that shit. Oh, he's got to be pissed. Oh, you know it. June 20th, 86. This is in Paris. Yeah.

Look at this. In like France? Yeah. That or Texas. But he fights Angelo Mussoni. So I'm assuming, yeah, it's probably Paris, France here. This guy is 13 and 0 coming in. 20 and one career.

Wow. This guy's not a bad fighter. Tim loses in the second round by tko again here so now he's 13 and five not great here uh that's kind of weak i would say not not much now uh it's at around this point where he uh he kind of tim kind of notices that they're all kind of party a lot all the people around around him. Yeah. Parker and his whole entourage. They're really enjoying this ride. Yeah, they're into coke and they're into partying and Tim's not comfortable with partying.

Barch, who was one of the fighters who took the dive there, the 72nd dive against Tex, he says about Tim, quote, he was a flake. He never hung with us. I know he didn't do drugs. I don't know if he even drank a beer all the time and all the time I saw him. He was kind of off by himself, a weird guy. That's how they described him. Is that a flake?

Basically, he wasn't hanging out with everybody doing coke and drinking, so he's a weird guy who's a flake. Right. Because he's off by himself because he doesn't want to do coke. Yeah. So that's like me at a place where a bunch of people are doing coke. I don't want to fucking do coke. That's a cokehead screaming for a way to describe somebody that doesn't do coke because a flake is somebody that makes plans and then doesn't do it he's an unreliable he's not unreliable he

doesn't want to hang out with this one be with you you fucking weirdo weird you're the weirdo that's the thing when drugs with a big fat walrus carcass man and you're thinking that's fun right this is great he's robbing you play another song on that piano let's let's hear fucking great balls of fire again fat fuck perfect you play marietta little lamb again oh you douchebag a guy on coke playing marietta little lamb it has to be like the sped up remix the remix whoa that thing fucking took off on us calm down cut fucking down elvis jesus christ so uh on the other hand, he's sharing an apartment with Jim Murphy, who's checking everyone's ID at the door when they come in.

I'm sorry. You got to be 21 to come on in here. Tim's like, no, no, it's OK. They can. There's no alcohol being sold. It's fine. No, no, I got you. So Jim Murphy here, he says about Tim, quote, Tim was scared to death of drugs.

He didn't smoke, no alcohol, no painkillers if he was hurt. Larry Holmes broke two of his ribs and he wouldn't take painkillers. You believe that? Quote, this is the cleanest living guy I've ever met in my life. Tim Fah, Larry Holmes. Tim Fah, yeah, later on. This is the cleanest living guy I ever met in my life. He was always working out and taking care of his body.

Vitamins, nutrients, protein drinks. I'd kid him about it all the time. I'd bring home a six-pack of beer and say, Tim, if I put a beer in the refrigerator, will your vitamins get upset? That's a great joke. That's great. Jim's a good guy. I think Jim would be fun to hang out with.

He's doing a lot of jokes. He does a lot of old man jokes. He's like, so there's a monkey behind the bar, right? And two guys walk in. He's got a lot of jokes that start out like that. He's got a lot of jokes that start with, right? Right? Okay.

You got to set the scene. This happens. Right? Right? You with me? Okay. You got to put your phone down? Good.

Set up the scene here. Got to be with you. Adieu, Reva. Hey, yo. Right? Right? So, January 24th, 87, he fights. It's Lux Anderson 3.

Here it is. Why? The trilogy. For what? And this is, he loses to Frank Lux. God damn it. He's 2-1 against this guy. He already beat this guy twice, and now he loses.

Second round loss by knockout. So he gets knocked out by Frank Lux, bringing him to 13 and six. I believe that's three in a row losses for him, which that's usually a bad sign for a fighter. Three in a row, things aren't going well. March 12th, 87, Hot Springs. I think it's Arkansas. He fights Juan Pablo Rodriguez, who this is his debut, and he turns out to be 0 and 2. Not a great fighter.

Fifth round. Takes him to the fifth round for Tim to knock him out. So that's a win. He gets a win back, though. They had to find a guy who'd never fought before. So he needs a win. March 21st, 87. This is nine days later. He fights Dave Carrington. This is his debut and his last

fight as well. First round TKO.rington this is his debut and his last fight as well first round tko again this is this is sounding shady yeah uh it's these these fighters getting put up against him 15 and 6 now for uh tim march 26 87 in fayetteville he fights bobby ellis who's an oh and three career fighter yeah trying to get tim's confidence up here it also sounds like uh parker got some got an in in the arkansas region because that sounds like a bunch of towns in arkansas yeah yeah a bunch of i think i think this was fayetteville north carolina this particular fight might have been arkansas everywhere in the south has a fayette there's a lot of fayettevilles

holy shit florida too probably they need something there uh this is spelled different though this is fayetteville that's never mind no oh so he fights bobby l's oh and three career and this goes the distance against an oh and three career fighter and he wins by decision though thankfully 16 and 6 here he fights uh next april 17th he fights uh jesse brown here on that and i just lost my place but i'm gonna find it it's okay he fights him and jesus christ what am i doing here it's 200 i've already lost my place but i'm gonna find it it's okay he fights him and jesus christ what am i doing here it's 200 i've already lost my place so jesse brown is an oh and seven career fire coming in oh and 11 career fighter wow so this is this is the the last few guys he's fought

literally have no career wins no wins between them, three. His last four fighters he's fought never won a career fight. Not one. Ever. That's fucking amazing. That's amazing to line that up here. So 17 and six for Tim. May 11th, 87. This is at Finky's Country Showplace.

What? Finky. Finky's Country Showplace in Daytona Beach. Yeah. Wow, does that sound... It's not a bar. It's not a theater. Country show place.

Show place. Place for shows. There's our place where the shows go. We'll do a show there. I'm Finky. Nice to meet you. So old Finkalonius here. Finky's country show place, Daytona Beach.

He fights Larry Somerset, who's one in five... Or one in seven in his career. And knocks Larry out in the fourth round, 18-6 for Tim. May 29, 1987, he fights John the Rebel Barbier, who's a 5-4 career fighter, and he loses by decision, Tim does to this guy. No good. 18-7 for Tim here. September 15, 1987, my favorite place ever.

He fights at the hitch and post usa that's what it's called hitch and post usa in springfield missouri yeah holy shit hitch and post usa i hope we get a chance to play that someday don't you we're here finally at the hitch and post usa in springfield the hitch and post by the way do you know what he who he fought Finally, at the Hitchin' Post. USA. In Springfield. The Hitchin' Post. By the way, do you know who he fought that night? No. Frank Lux. Again.

Anderson Lux. Four. Quattro. Wow. Anderson Lux. The Quattro. Who would do it? No one cares.

Has anybody ever done that before? Four times? I don't think so. Not that nobody cared about. Right. Yeah, that's four times i don't think so not that nobody every nobody cared about right yeah that's the thing you've heard of like trilogies with fighters of like you know ali frazier and people like that go at a gaudy uh you know warden gaudy not lux anderson no one cares they never have no one has ever cared about this at all it's just like they're both willing to fight each other it's weird shit so this fight

he loses again tim does it's over seventh round knockout here uh seventh round my god they're going a lot jesus christ and now he's 18 and 8 he's lost twice to frank lux he's lost to a guy who has three wins out of 57 fights these are 12 round bouts or 10 these are probably tens there might even be eights they might even be eights. There might even be eights. God damn it. So this is where he's coming to the ring in a purple leotard. He's got a big black cape on with the bleached spiked up hair. He comes out with, this is the first time he comes out with the, quote, Beverly Hills knockouts or a collection of chicks and bikinis that he's traveling,

that he's like his entourage to the ring. You say leotard, like over each shoulder, one thing? Yeah, I think like a singlet type thing. Really? Almost like a leotard. He's got shorts on, two boxing shorts. But he's got like a tank top? I think just for the entrance. For the entrance.

Okay. You know, he's a weirdo. It's very strange, though, this whole thing. And to lose to Frank Lux after all that showmanship is come on man it's a bit much if you do all that you gotta win you better or at least make a show you can't lose to frank lux now november 21st 87 this is why rick parker elvis parker's in the game here uh this is the comeback of george foreman oh okay this is george on george foreman's comeback trail because george retired in

the early 80s and then he made a big comeback and then he became he retired with a big afro mutton shop sideburns looking like the meanest guy in the world he comes back bald bald shiny smiling going by my grill and do all this like a completely different guy who that didn't exist before fat and shit right so november 21st 87 this is at the no uh sports complex in orlando he fights tim fights george foreman wow if you don't know george foreman is you've been under a rock he's the guy with the fucking grill in the and he was a boxer for years sells a barbecue grill that goes in your kitchen and takes all the fat out and doesn't cook very well no it's shitty just dries out your chicken and then all this dry chicken right there

it is enjoy so all the juice is going to this little train you pour that shit down the drain now it has no flavor see isn't that what you wanted do you want to ruin chicken all day come on you want to ruin chicken want to say you can do that or just boil it either one but this is easier you don't have to boil water for this. Just put it right in there. Or you can put a steak on there and make it inedible. Oh, it'll be terrible. It'll just kind of sort of heat it up at a weird rate

until it's a strange gray color. You're going to enjoy it. It'll put gray lines in a red steak. Oh, it's going to be great. You're going to like it a lot. So, this night he fights George Foreman who, coming into this fight george foreman is 48 and 2 that's his professional record and his two losses his last loss was in 1977 who was it to to jimmy young okay who was an up-and-coming contender at that moment by the way tim will

fight jimmy young a little later on he's still fighting jimmy young my god his other loss was to muhammad ali right so in one of the most legendary fights of all time there, the rumble in the jungle. So there was a rumble in the jungle and then a unanimous decision to Jimmy Young, a guy who just got under his skin and pointed him. It's beautiful. So, I mean, George and Muhammad Ali in his prime. This is fucking insane. So great fighter.

Yeah. Tim makes it to the fourth round before he's tko'd by george before he gets demolished yeah george was a puncher and a half his punch he was a hard puncher hammers man cinder blocks to be able to stay till the fourth round is is impressive and tim is known for this tim is known for a guy where he'll get knocked down get right back up again hang around uh yeah he'll be bloody doesn't care he's one of these guys who guys like crowds don't care about two fights two fighters in some fight they've never heard of they're waiting for the main event or whatever he's a guy nobody would care about but by like

the fourth round people would be rooting for him yeah because he was like he had heart and he could you could see at heart because he's not that great of a fighter but he's got heart so he's trying now uh in for in in this uh following the foreman fight he he had a very badly swollen eye tim did sure he did tim had a very bad swollen eye that became infected and the infection spread into his sinuses oh no and apparently this drained into his throat and and polyps developed in his throat because of this and so he couldn't speak the same anymore now he speaks like in a real bad rasp yes his throat polyps have caused him hey sounds like he's real raspy he's got like a you know like almost vocal fry but but worse obviously because it's real yeah uh so but

i mean that's a rough fight for him but he he looked good against four. He looked like a legitimate challenger against George Foreman, which makes him all of a sudden he is in demand. Now everybody wants him against their like contender. Like, Hey, look like a half decent fighter and lose to my guy. And that's where good money is. There's a lot in that,

especially if you're fucking white back then, you know? So he, uh, Elvis Parker, he was fucking set. was like this is great all of a sudden they're getting calls from larry holmes we're getting calls from jimmy young the guy who beat george foreman all these people anybody who wanted to be you have a little

comeback this is the guy to do it against january 13th 1988 he fights john barbier again the rebel there wins by decision he's 19 and 9 january 23rd 88 that is 10 days later he fought he after a decision he went 10 rounds and then fought unbelievable and then fought fucking 10 days later wild your brain is not even ready close to healed yet from 10 rounds of fire it's not healing ever no it's terrible so the 23rd 88 he fights or uh jeff may who is a 2 and 16 career fighter not great uh knocks him out tim does so he's 20 and 9 april 12th 88 back to the hitching post yeah we're here baby now this if this is an event for the times i don't know how there isn't like a some sort of documentary special on this night because on this very special night at the hitch and post usa in springfield

missouri he fights this is a tim fights roger keen who is a this is his debut and his last fight as well fights him for the vacant usa missouri heavyweight title usa but just missouri just missouri it's a state title of who the fuck knows renown i have no idea if they have a commission Missouri heavyweight title. USA, but just Missouri. Just Missouri. It's a state title of who the fuck knows renown. I have no idea if they have a commission, if this is official, or if literally the guy who owns Hitchin Post USA gives a belt. Made a belt out of like a rodeo thing behind the bar that day and was like, it's for the title.

Here it is. It's made of wood. It gives you splinters. Yeah, super weird. It gives splinters around your waist. Oh, God, Jesus. It's all in my hips. So Tim knocks this guy out,

and it's his only fight, Roger Keene. 21-9 for Tim. June 4th, 88 in Fort Myers, he fights Jimmy Young, who we said beat George Foreman. At this point, Jimmy Young is 33-17-3. He is definitely on the downslide of his career here uh this fight goes the distance and uh and he uh tim wins by a split

decision really he actually gets a split decision that shows you how far down the the rel the rungs jimmy young had slipped there from beating form into losing to this fucking guy is a way different 10 years i mean you wow life was different who who lost to a guy that you beat that also the guy that he lost to beat his face until his voice was different until his voice yeah he hit him so hard in the eye that he speaks differently in 2020 forever for the rest of his life he punched him in the eye and his voice changed that's awesome what the fuck that's a hard punch we were right and he gave him some badly grilled chicken to try to make up for how do you punched about the eye and you can't your your voice sounds that's how bad it was that's how that's how strong george foreman is that's fucking crazy so august 15th 88 this is at the west ridge park tennis stadium

what the fuck uh why he fights pierre coats air now this guy used to play tennis i need to show you a picture of him because holy shit boy oh boy look at that guy french magnum pi he's from south africa really and he looks like a caricature he's got a big giant handlebar 1800s bartender mustache he looks like the mascot for the hitch and post yeah that's what he looks like he should be like spitting in a glass and then wiping it out with a rag he looks like the german guy from punch out that's yeah that's a good thing yeah baron von stupid right yeah he looks like that's what he looks like. Yeah, that's a good thing. Baron Von Steuben. Right. Yeah, he looks like him. That's what he looks like. That was his name, Baron Von Steuben? It was Baron something. Baron Von some shit. Whatever the fuck.

Baron Von Glass Joe Piston Honda. I don't know. Don Flamenco? I have no idea. Is it Flamenco? Flamenco is the guy who danced. Yeah, he was a Flamenco guy. The German guy, I think he had a kilt. He was the second guy. Did he have a kilt too? What the fuck would a German have a kilt? I don't know. I think that they... They mixed up ethnicities? I think the Nintendo guys forgot. Oh, shit. He was the second guy. Yeah. He was the second guy. Did he have a kilt, too? What the fuck would a German have a kilt? I don't know. I think that they had...

They mixed up ethnicities? I think the Nintendo guys forgot. Oh, shit. We messed it all up. I don't know. This is a German guy. This guy's a character, but he does look like he'd kick your ass. He does look mean.

He does look mean here. He's a 22 and 2 fighter coming in, too, so he's pretty good. 39 and 5 for the career. Yeah. Not bad at all. Tim gets knocked out in the second round by his just the man's mustache he just mustache hit him bumped him and knocked him right out so he's 22 and 10 now yeah tim is he's into double digit losses not terrific uh october 27th 1988 he fights tim

morrison who's a 14 25 and 2 career fighter and loses that one too really tko loss in round four 22 and 11 not going well he does not fight well against good boxers no about real box against real yeah real good fighters he's not really against shit fighters too he gets frank lutz beat him all with lutz beat him twice frank lutz is the uh judah freelander in 30 rock not judah freelander he's the other one lutz is the the fat one there i don't know their names mommy's the other one. Lutz is the fat one there. I don't know their names. I'm not bad at names. Lutz is the worst one that they all hate.

Everybody makes fun of Lutz. Why do I... I can't even picture him. What? Rossitano is Judah Freelander. Why can't I even picture his face? He's got a big... He's got a bullfrog neck? Bullfrog neck.

Yeah, yeah. Fuck, I don't know, man. He's funny, though. Very funny. Well, good for him. Had a job for a lot of years, so good for him. Probably doesn't have to work. He fights Fort Myers here.

He's fighting Art Terry, who's 7-8-1 coming in. More losses than wins. Gets knocked out in the first round, Tim does here. 22-12. You gotta quit now, right? Dude, it's getting bad. It's getting ridiculous. Around this time also, I don't know what he's arrested for, but they found an arrest for

him in Volusa County down in Florida. He's arrested for a misdemeanor in the first degree. I'm not sure what that is. Doesn't say what ends up happening. Sounds like the worst misdemeanor? I guess. Yeah, first degree. First degree.

Doesn't say what ends up happening. Sounds like the worst misdemeanor? I guess, yeah, first degree. Now, May 22nd, 1989, he fights at JJ Whispers in Orlando, which sounds like a strip club. It sounds like a strip club. Or a whorehouse. Or a whorehouse. So I looked it up, because I'm like, is he fighting at a strip club?

Is he literally getting punched in the face while women have their vaginas out? Because that's just not right. I don't want to know that that is. Or it's perfect. One of the two. I need to know that that or it's perfect one of the two i need to know that that's either happened or not happened i need to know here so i looked it up yeah and apparently it was uh what they said this article said it's a nighttime institution in orlando for more than a decade and it's going to close and reopen this is in 1995 wow it's going to close as embassy a live concert venue and then it's going to close as Embassy, a live concert venue, and then it's going to reopen following some redoing inside.

It's going to reopen with comedian Pauly Shore. That's why I did this. In 1995? In 1995. He's like, so Sutter Lawson's here, right? Viodome 2. You guys going to go see Jerry Doody or what's up? I'm in the Army now.

Laurie Petty's in it. All right. Check it out, probably. David Allen Greer. Dude from Living Color. No? Okay. So I'm done now?

Right. That's it for me? Excellent. And then the next night, or sorry, September 17th, they had James Brown in as well. The real James Brown. The real James Brown. That's better. Yeah, that's fucking great.

He's a legend. Yeah, way big. I mean, he's going to be way better than Pauly Shore. He's going to hit a woman. He's going to hit a woman. But Jesus Christ. You're going to get a good show first.

You know what? Let's see how it goes. He's going to dance his ass off. That's right, man. So, yeah, this whole place, I guess it turned, it's being patterned after another place

where they're going to have theme nights now. They're going to have like a comedy night and they're going to and after another place where they're going to have theme nights now they're going to have like a comedy night and they're going to have James Brown night and they're going to have all this other shit they're having all sorts of bands in there and yeah all this crap the club has been through bankruptcy twice in 1989

which is when this fight took place which I assume that's probably why it was going on we're fucking broke fine see if anyone will pay to watch guys punch each other. Get bodies in here. Yeah. And then the last year, 1994, federal agents stormed it and seized records as part of a money laundering investigation related to some shit.

So there's that. And then Pauly reopened it. That's what happened here. So he fights this night at JJ Whispers. He fights Lupo Macho. Lupe Macho Guerra is his name. His last name is literally War. Yeah.

Lupe War. Oh boy. Macho War. 23-20-1 coming into this fight. So whatever. Tim wins this fight. Goes all the way. It's a decision but he still wins it. 23-12. Now June 11th, 89 Fort Myers, Florida. He fights Greg Payne here and decision but he still wins it uh 23 and 12 now june 11th 89 fort myers florida fights greg pain

here and uh greg pain is 4 14 and 2 coming in this is a tko win in round 4 making him 24 and 12 but right before the fight something happened here apparently parker made plans for elvis made plans for doc doc and elvis over here to give several anti-drug speeches at local schools. He's going to go around, hey, I'm a professional boxer. You don't need drugs to be a professional boxer. And you could be better and just say no. And, you know, 1889 drug bullshit. I would have been like a school where they would have done that at 11.

We would have been sitting there going, OK. We know. We know. We won't. I promise. I promise. I'll i promise i promise unless it's really fun though then i can't promise anything i'm not sure so i guess they arrived at one of the speech at one of the locations for the speech in separate limousines this is awfully it's a lot of uh that's fancy throwing money around to go to elementary schools to give unpaid anti-drug speeches separate limousines the fuck is happening here so apparently they arrived there that tim opened elvis's door and saw saw parker in the middle of snorting a giant mound of cocaine wow

so apparently tim was outraged yeah super pissed off this is a guy who like owes him money and shit he's snorting cocaine and they're out of school to give anti-drug message and he's not into drugs so he's very pissed off apparently uh tim at that point demanded the 150 000 did he believe parker owed him he says you owe me 150 000 i want my fucking money and slams the door uh tim says quote i slammed the door i was pretty upset we went in and talked to the, but our relationship was pretty much severed right then. After the fight, I told Rick I was leaving and I wanted my money. He figured he was owed $148,000 between the weekly salary and the 50% split of the boxing purses. He called it my savings.

He's like, so I wanted it since it was my savings. I want to empty my bank account. Yeah, please. Can I do that? Remember you said you're my savings. I want to empty my bank account. Yeah, please. Can I do that? Remember you said you're my bank. Yeah, remember that? It's also at this point that Anderson said he was going to start writing a book about his experiences in boxing with the working title being, you can tell kind of what the angle of the book is,

quote, Liars, Cheats, and Whores. Oh. So basically crime and sports is what he was calling it. It's called crime and sports. He claimed Parker said, I ain't paying you shit until I know that you're not going to talk shit about me in your book because I'll pay you what you owe me. But only after you say you're not going to do something in your book. I don't want my name mentioned in your books and bad shit about me.

He said, as a matter of fact wow tim said that he said quote uh if you do quote i'll kill your sister your power your quadriplegic sister she says yeah is that's the thing and because apparently parker knows that is that's anderson's one thing achilles heel that's his achilles he's very protective of his quadriplegic younger sister, who anybody would be. Super weird, right? So that's his, like, you don't fucking go talk about my sister type of thing there. That's fighting words. That says you don't talk about my dead mother.

Yeah, that's it. So Tim said that he... He's also got that. Holy shit. Yeah, he's got a dead mother, quadriplegic sister. Those happened within a few years of each other, so that's brutal. He just decides that he thinks he's not going to get his fucking money back. That's what he says.

He doesn't think he's going to get his money. He says, fuck it. I'll just write my book. He says, Tim says, quote, I started over at that point. Money-wise, I took it as a loss. I went back. He went back to Fort Lauderdale to stay with his friends and said he was going to write that book.

Liars, cheats and whores. No doubt about it. Now, May 11th, 1990, he's fighting again. Jacksonville, he fights Dan Wofford. Wofford? I don't know. Dan Wofford is 8, 10, and 1 coming in, which doesn't sound bad.

No. His career, though, he is 17, 102, and 2. He has not earned the right for us to learn how to pronounce his name. No. 102 losses is way too many this goes all six and it's a loss for tim tim loses to a man with 102 career losses wow who has like a 15 winning percentage for his entire career unanimous decision too i mean it's not even

a split it wasn't a oh it was close he got his ass kicked by this guy fought george foreman 102 times there was no there's no no i looked at his record it's a bunch of it's a lot of frank lux's He got his ass kicked by this guy. Plus, he fought George Foreman 102 times. There is no excuse for this. No, and I looked at his record. It's a bunch of... It's a lot of Frank Luxes on there. Not great. So, November 30th, 1990, the stupidest name of any established, worst in JJ Whispers, worst in Hitchin Post, USA, the Desert Inn in Daytona, Florida.

What? There is no fucking desert in a fucking tropical. It's tropical. Right. It's a tropical swamp. You can't have both. No. They're completely separate.

Is it moist or is it dry? You can't have both. You can't. Look up what desert is and look up what fucking Florida is. Humid or arid, sir? Way different. So the desert in in daytona yeah fuck people are stupid in florida i'm sorry uh versus greg pain again he already fought that

guy once this goes all eight all eight rounds and it's a unanimous decision win here for tim 25 and three so yeah there you go that's 25 and three uh he does keep in touch by the way on his personal life he keeps in touch with all of the with all of his family he's very much into his nieces and nephews and taking care of them he's a family man here one of his nieces said that

his dissertations on being healthy can be annoying sometimes but they know that he's a nice guy and he's trying to help they said that he would write uh notes to family members uh just little notes saying to do things and shit like that he once wrote his nieces a long letter jesus christ a long letter touting the benefits of using a juicing machine of juicing a long letter telling him about it and he would also warn them about dating certain types of boys.

He's trying to be like a good uncle. Yeah. So that's good. You should do that stuff. That's your job as an uncle. Yeah. But the letter to the girl about juicing is try juicing. Yeah.

He's like a whole thing. You'll get this benefit and that benefit. Teenagers don't care. Two words. Yeah. Try juicing. You should try it. You like juice?

Yeah. Want some juice? Do you like fruit? Hey, how about some juice? Hey. Oh, my God. Tell me about your juicer. Tell me about your juicing. You should try it. You like juice? Yeah. Want some juice? Do you like fruit? Hey, how about some juice? Hey. Oh, my God. Tell me about your juicer. Tell me about your juicer.

April 7th, 1991 at the Diplomat Hotel. Here he fights Larry Holmes, who we've heard about plenty. Larry Holmes, by the way, 48 and 3 coming in. And he had just lost three in a row. So he was 48 and 0. Wow. And then he lost two to Michael Spinks by decision, both of them. Spinks is the guy that Tyson knocked out 90 seconds in 87.

Great fighter. He beat fucking Larry Holmes twice in a row. Great fighter. And then he lost to Tyson right after that. Unreal. That's the three. By TKO. That's the three.

And that was, I mean, he was older, too, getting older. I'm not going to fight a guy that's his only three fights that he's lost. He's a bad motherfucker, Larry is. This is a first-round TKO for Larry. Larry fucks Tim up good here. Also, look at Larry Holmes. He is a terrifying-looking man. He is.

He's huge. He looks psychotic. He's got great reach. His jab is nasty, and that's about all he needed for Tim. And his face is scary. Oh, his head is huge. He's got nothing to lose. No, that's the night that incident that incident with trevor burbick happened

back at our trevor burbick episode where he dove off the car jumped off the car onto the street and fought from jenny from jacksonville there was the whole thing that's this night wow so he fights he beats up tim anderson and then goes out and has that trevor burbick scuffle and whole melee with the in the in the street. He cleared cars, right? Yeah, he jumped off the hood of a car like Jimmy Superfly Snooker doing his splash circa 83. Unreal.

So insanity is going on here. This guy is Tim Anderson. The reason why he's 200 is because he's tied into fucking everything and everybody we've done. I've been saving this. This is planned for a long time. Everybody that's ever boxed

that we've talked about other people it's weird shit other stories november 11th 91 he's at the city limits nightclub in fort lauderdale that sounds like they keep it right outside the city so the town police the city police can't arrest people it's too far from the county out here they only got two sheriffs this time of night and they drive up and down the beach we're good fucker you can drink all you want shut your lights off and drive fast yeah here he fights this is a never seen this before doc versus doc fight no shit this is uh he is fighting dr harold reitman a real doctor ivan's brother okay no it's not ivan's brother but this guy is a real doctor really he's actual doctor. He's 41 years old at this time.

He's an actual doctor who took up boxing as a hobby and became a professional. Just happens to be really fucking good at it. Decent. He's 7'2 and 2 coming in, 11'7 and 4 for his career. Yeah. Now, this fight. In the OR, he doesn't need scalpels. He just punches your spleen out.

He just punches things open. Get out of there. Then he actually has to have somebody remind him where the spleen is because he's been hit too hard you're getting an appendectomy today why are you taping your hands what's going on don't worry about it i'll get it out of there in a minute hold on let me grease myself up and i'll be right in there so i'll put vaseline on my forehead so i can dive into this guy's fucking chest cavity and fix this shit. So Tim goes down twice in the ninth round in this fight. Really?

It goes all ten rounds, and it's a draw. Oh, no. So he draws with an actual medical doctor. Which, so, I mean, he's better at doctoring than him. Yeah. And he's a better fighter, at least as good. So not great. So 25-14-1 for Tim.

January 1892, Royal Albert Hall. Ooh, fancy. Over in the UK there. Over in England, he fights Derek Sweet D. Williams. Oh, boy.

I got that Sweet D, but maybe he's got the giant dick we were talking about. He swings around like a lasso. What's his name? Derek Sweet D. Williams.

That Sweet D, baby baby you know what that's about swinging around whoo is that what they call d and phil within sweet d yeah yeah he's different sweet d here 92 uh 18 and 4 coming in uh he's an englishman that's why they're fighting over there this is a tko loss for tim in round one. So 25-15-1. Not going well. Back to Elvis here. Yeah. Elvis, he had a shot here to make it big in 91 and not be a scammer, maybe.

Burt Cooper, not the owner of the Mad Men agency. Do I know that name? Yeah, you do. Cooper Sterling. It's Burt Cooper was his name. He saw me look at the wall and go, what? I saw and i was like yeah no not him like really the guy who makes you take his shoes off to go in his office that's weird he's real uh he fought evander holyfield he was one of elvis's fighters burt cooper and knocked holyfield down oh and almost out. So Elvis' whole life was about to change.

I mean, if Holyfield's down for the 10 count, he just made millions of dollars. He's the best fighter. He just did the grab. His life is great. But Holyfield got back up again and obviously came back and beat the shit out of this guy. Ended this.

Yeah. Elvis said, quote, I was one punch from the windfall factor the one where all of your dreams come true but it didn't quite work out like that how gross is that yeah i'm one punch one of somebody else's punches away from my whole landing on another person that has nothing to do with me and my dreams come true fuck you man that's why that's not fair because if you're a good promoter maybe you invested in this boxer all along the way like you saw something special but for the most part trained him you're just being a scumbag paid for his nutrition you're a piece of shit you didn't

do that no but so burt cooper didn't work out so elvis was like i need the great white hope yeah that's what he needs he needs a big white guy to fight Foreman, Tyson, one of those guys. He needs a big white guy to do this because that's where the money's at. So he says, I'm going to do this. Where can I find a big white guy? I got it. I had one. Mark Gastineau.

That's my big white guy. I'm going to build him to 12-0 and have a huge payday with george foreman down the road here where he fights mark gasnow he's even a name it's even better holy shit this is amazing so yeah uh the first fight by the way this is why i said we didn't go into gas knows boxing too much because it had so much to do with parker i wanted to save it for here uh we're not gonna talk about the actual fights just about behind the scenes the first fight was derrick dukes like we said that i guess no fought who took a dive he was paid 600 bucks to take a dive dukes was there uh barge who was the other fighter who took other dives he said quote all we were looking for was somebody that

that had laid down he knew how to fall with a pulled punch he's a wrestler uh he had one of those pin him and pay me attitudes he didn't give a pin me and pay me he didn't give a fuck about his reputation he didn't fuck does he care he pay me. He didn't give a fuck about his reputation. He didn't fuck this. He carries a wrestler. You know, losing wasn't a big deal. His Elvis's business partner, Russ and said, quote, Dukes wasn't even allowed to throw a punch. The first one Mark threw close to him.

He was just to make it look good and fall down. Yeah. The fight lasted 18 seconds and 10 of those was the 10 count. So it was eight seconds of actual fight. Jesus. It was just not even well staged. That's terrible to train a guy to take. Why don't you just train him to land one?

Yeah. And then that guy can take care of the rest. Don't even make it complicated. No. It's so weird. He fought the same guy a couple times that he would beat up Jimmy Bakers. He fought him twice. Gastineau did.

He beat Bartsch's brother, who, by the way, never even boxed before. Really? Yeah, one of those guys who Gastineau was saying, this guy, 0-1 career, because he wasn't a boxer. Wow. Literally not a boxer, never boxed before, but he lied to the Missouri Boxing Commission and just told them that he had a 7-3 record. And they put him out there, 7-3, this guy, and go down in the first round. Yeah, so Rustin says, quote, there was a handshake agreement with the foreman camp that if Gastineau could get to 12-0, that George would fight him. It would be set up in New York where Gastineau was big.

They were sitting on millions. So, yeah, this ends up beginning this whole – we know all this because it's told to FBI investigators in a U.S. Senate hearing on corruption and boxing later on. All this comes out. This is the Hazleton guy who started it. Really? Yeah, that guy who saw that phantom fight to begin with back in the day there. So April 94 later on on by the way we'll jump ahead a little bit here there was a segment of the of 60 minutes about this where elvis was

on there and he said quote these people that are making these accusations about fighting are a bunch of low-life scumball pieces of crap wow okay they are liars thieves drug addicts or people that are motivated for greed or their own personal desire for gain. They want to harm me. They want to destroy me for their own selfish reasons. Wow. He said everything but and whores.

He almost said his title of his book. That's what I mean. And Tim was like, hey, you're going to plug it? Do me a favor. Do me a solid. 60 minutes. That's amazing. It's very telling when anyone's accused of something and they don't go no that's ridiculous i didn't do that that's crazy

they just go these low-life scumbag ball piece of crap blah blah blah it's like you didn't say you didn't do that though you just said that those people are pieces of crap did you not do yeah why that's he's one of those narcissist guys, this Parker guy. Now don't protest. Exactly, for their own selfish reasons. And then they also, at the same time, they had Bartsch. They had Derek Dukes also on 60 Minutes saying, oh, yeah, I totally took a dive. He made me take a dive, blah, blah, blah.

Lying scumballs, apparently. Scumballs. Scumball. Pieces of crap. Sounds like a drink. It does. That's a good one uh so now uh gastineau was you know trying to work up this fight to get to foreman and he says uh yeah it's going to be

tim anderson and he decides that he's going to parker calls tim anderson and anderson says quote i remember picking up the phone and rick saying how you doing buddy anderson says we talked once in two years so i knew something was up yeah yeah after the last thing was give me my money and didn't happen i said what do you want he said i'm going to make up the 148 000 i owe you i said rick that was two years ago it's about 173 000 now there's interest some interest he said i'll make it up to you when i asked him how he said i want you to fight mark gastineau so that's how this goes and uh he said i'll make it up to you when i asked him how he said i want you to fight mark gastineau so that's how this goes and uh he said okay um you know what's the deal with that how's

that going to work and uh they said well anderson says well you know what let's do let's do a little in their own words here what do you say let's do an in their own words let's let tim speak for himself for once uh in their own words quote he says he Tim speak for himself for once, in their own words, quote, he says he wants you to talk about making a deal. He told me I'm going to get paid $500,000 and all I have to do is lose in the first or second round. He goes, well, make it look good. He knocks you out.

You come to the interview, talk about how you were a sparring partner of Foreman's and you tell everyone Mark Gastineau hits as hard as George. Oh. That was the plan. You come out to him and you say, hit hits as hard as George. Oh. That was the plan. You come out to him and you say, hit me as hard as George Foreman. He's ready for George Foreman.

That's literally, we'll vouch for him. If his voice doesn't change, that's a lie. We already know. That's what I'm saying. Hear me? That's how hard George Foreman is. Is he going to change my voice back to the way it was? 500 grand he's offering for this.

Now, Tim says, I'm sitting here nodding, realizing this isn't going to happen. If I say I'm not going to do it, they're going to get someone else. So what I said was, thinking I'm pretty smart, let me think about it. This was Saturday night. The fight's Tuesday. He said, I'm assuming they're thinking

I'm going to take the deal. On Tuesday morning, seven hours before the fight, Elvis and Mark Gastineau came over to Tim's room. Yeah. Okay. Came into Doc's room. And Tim says, quote, Rick says, we want to set up the fight and go over what's going to happen. I looked right at Mark and said, quote, Mark, I'm going to hurt you. Mark looked back at Elvis and go, that's not what we...

That wasn't the deal, right? He told me that I was going to knock him out, and he would say I hit as hard as Foreman. That's what this was. He said he's going to hurt me. Those are different. George, that Foreman. Yeah.

Rick says, what? And I said, I'm going to hurt him. This guy right here with the mustache. Hurt him good. He's the one for the Jets. Him guy, Jet guy, yeah. Ask him, how's Brigitte? This one's for the jets him guy jet guy yeah ask him how's brigitte this one's for brigitte sweetheart he said uh their mouths were wide open i know i know they can't get someone else now

because it's seven hours before the fight so yeah what ended up happening here uh they get into the ring and gas and i was no he's no match for a guy who a guess no thought he was going into a fixed fight so he wasn't even like trained no he was gassed out a guy who a guess no thought he was going into a fixed fight so he wasn't even like trained no he was gassed out after a round because he wasn't in cardio shape for it he didn't train seriously and he's not a great fighter whereas anybody who has an amateur background is going to beat the shit out of somebody who doesn't in a ring with gloves on this isn't you can't you can't leg dive him or anything like that. Just standing up, he's just going to pummel you for as long as he feels like it. So that's what he does.

He just pummels Gaston out with this whole thing. He said that Russon later on, Elvis' partner, said, quote, Mark told me later that in the second round he asked him, when are you going home, which is wrestling speak for. When are you going down? Wrestling speak. They say, all right, let's go home. That means let's start the end of the match. The match is going to be over soon let's do our final

sequence here and be done so uh he's meaning when's he going to take a dive and he just didn't not tonight he said he started punching me and i was like oh shit i don't think this is working out now uh diane mcveigh who is tim's girlfriend and elvis sister said, quote, they were watching the fight at home and in Orlando with her brother. And she said that she could she's watching it at home and saw her brother there and said she could see how fucking angry her brother was as this fight was going on. That face is. Oh, yeah.

This was this was on USA Network, too. This was like Tuesday night fights. They used to have it was on USA Network. So it's kind of a big fucking deal. It was like on national television. So, yeah, as you can imagine, this was a bad deal for Parker and Gastineau. This was a, he was 9-0 coming in. This goes all five.

Unanimous decision win here. 26-15-1 here for Tim. Gastineau took two standing eight counts and was dropped for a nine count in the fourth round. So he whooped Gastineau's ass. Now, afterwards, they asked Anderson what he should say in the interview. This is where Parker wanted him to say, harder than George Foreman he hits. Instead, Anderson says, can't get more opposite than this quote he had nothing he's a football player another one bites the dust and he walked away

then the referee marty salmon described the match as quote man against boy this is not looking good for a foreman fight at this point man against boy and this is all on national television so parker's like i've been fucking three years i've been working on this ruined it here completely ruined and the thing was a fucking joke too afterwards they asked gas to know what the fuck happened so this idiot yeah like a complete fucking moron he said that it wasn't they said were you tired you know he's just more skilled than you he goes no no no normally i could kick his ass he goes but it's my i was arguing all night with my girlfriend so i'm tired it's my girlfriend so they went um what yeah um well what do you how do you fix that and he goes they're

probably gonna get a new girlfriend he lost the fight so uh that's hysterical yeah ridiculous so parker is obviously elvis is not happy about this now turns out basically all of mark's fights were arranged they were all fixed everybody was paid to take dives as it will come out in the uh federal probe known as the dirty gloves investigation right that's what they that led to the 60 minutes piece and all of that about you know drugs and fight fixing and everything in boxing according to uh anderson they talked to him and he said oh yeah contacted me offered me all this money um you know blah blah blah blah now uh the the referee who said man man against boy he said that he heard about a fix being in and in the pre-fight you know glove tapping and all that he warned both fighters don't let me see any bullshit basically i will fucking call you out

on it if i see somebody not trying their best or whatever i don't want to this better be a real fight is what he said um he said quote i told them that if anything was suspicious they weren't getting paid uh quote anderson then went out and beat the crap out of gaston oh it was no contest so the uh the sister there diane said quote i never saw my brother so mad i knew there would be trouble his nostrils were flaring it's hard to see anything flaring on such a big body so he knew that the the i mean based obviously they told him to take a dive so he knew it was fixed or they were attempting it. And the fact that the guy... This is like Snatch when Brad Pitt gets his vengeance, except for there's no money.

Yeah. He did the opposite of what he was told and then went out and said he's a pussy rather than he hits as hard as four. It's the exact opposite result that fucking Parker won. And got no pay because he's not going to get his money back. No, now he's not. July 11th, 92, in Fort Myers, he fights Rick Hoard. Rick Toilet Paper Hoard. It's the exact opposite result that fucking Parker won. And got no pay because he's not going to get his money back. No, now he's not. July 11, 1992, in Fort Myers, he fights Rick Hoard. Rick Toilet Paper Hoard.

Yeah. Hoarding toilet paper. He's one and four coming in. Two, nine, and one career. Not great. Goes all six rounds, and it's a unanimous decision win for Tim. So, yeah. Now, Elvis was livid.

Livid, livid, livid. Needs Gastineau to come back and beat Tim. That has to happen here. So Russ and the partner said, quote, he was absolutely obsessed with getting that win against Tim back. He kept saying if he got that win back, he'd be on track to a big payday. He didn't pay attention to his other fighters. All he cared about was working on this rematch to get that one big. He's got to get Gastineau in there.

He's been in this for six seven years for this one big thing here so he finally convinces tim to do it uh it's december 3rd 92 in oklahoma city no tv this is not recorded there's no footage of this fight no this is a non-tv no nothing under the radar very weird thing here uh anderson says he's not sure why he can't why he even did it he's not positive he said all of his friends advised him against it they said that he's using you he's not going to pay you stay away from this fucking guy uh but uh mcveigh the sister of elvis's sister said quote rick kept dangling the plastic carrot and tim kept going after it uh was the story of their relationship he really should have just owned a comedy club all this would have been legal he could have done exactly what

he's done but perfectly legally if he just owned a comedy club and everybody would have been happy forget legal they would have thought he was a genius what a great guy fucking genius thank you so much oh boy see you next week bye god damn Tim says, quote, I'm not sitting here believing Rick was happy with me. I'm not that naive. I just didn't expect it to get so out of hand, as we'll hear about what it does. So December 3rd, 92, Myriad Convention Center, Oklahoma City, versus Mark Gastineau, who comes in 12-1. Again, he's asked to take a dive, Tim is, and he says no uh not at all so they get him out there

he gets out in the ring first they make him wait 45 minutes for gaston oh that's fucked up 45 minutes that's never happened in any fight that's ridiculous yeah that's where he should have went back to the fucking locker room said tell me when he gets here i'll be back you got 10 minutes to get that fucker out here it's at that point where he realizes to there's no his corner guys don't come with him they don't want anything to do with parker his manager doesn't come with him so he ends up being uh he ends up being having different corner guys that he didn't know his corner men uh he doesn't know them at all so he he didn't drink i guess he he gave them a gallon of water that was his water that he wanted to use. And instead, they were giving him water in paper cups by these corner men.

And he said, after drinking this water, by the second round, he became sick. He said, by the third round, he was lightheaded, nauseous, and hallucinating. He was unable to defend himself, and he didn't know what was going on. He was just slow. It was like if you gave him GHB or something. That might have been what they gave him. We're not sure. Spanish fly.

Yeah, a little Spanish fly. Cosby is his corner man? Yeah, that's exactly who it was. Corner man, I don't know. William Cosby, yes. It's real close. William Cosby and a Harvey Weinstein. Oh, boy, look at that.

So this goes to the sixth round until finally Tim loses by knockout in the sixth round to Gastineau here, not knowing where he is, who he is, what's going on. Yeah, it's insane. So they have to carry him into the dressing room. Never happened before. And Gastineau, he said, doesn't hit for shit. Like, in the first fight, Gastineau backed him into the corner and unloaded on him, and he said that's when he realized this guy doesn't fucking hit for

you shouldn't have anything he can't knock me out so that this all night he said he just started fucking working him over after that because i do anything i want if he hits me i won't done them but not gonna fucking knock me out so oh well because that's for sure this this effect was not from his his blows no that's the thing boxing is a weird thing because you could be gas and oh six five jack to the moon and punch like aing is a weird thing because you could be Gaston 065, jack to the moon, and punch like a fucking little boy, and you could be a little dude who could fucking hit like a hammer. Basketball or boxing, punching is like throwing a baseball. You would look at two guys.

You could find the biggest guy in the world. He might not be able to throw the ball 50 miles an hour, and you get Pedro Martinez, who was 5'8", a buck 40, and he threw 99 miles an hour. Nolan Ryan. Well, he was a big guy, Nolan Ryan. He was big? Fuck yes.

Thighs were like tree trunks. He's six foot three. He's a huge guy. Is he that big? He's a big giant Texan. Wow. Six two. He's a big strapping dude.

I don't picture him being that big. He's a little Sandy Koufax. Maybe it's because I see him fighting Robin. Sandy Koufax throwing in the 90s. Him and Robin Ventura. Yeah, yeah. That wasn't. Robin Ventura was bigger than him, wasn't he?

I think so. I don't know. I'm not positive. I don't remember. I just remember Robin being much bigger. The fucking big guy. I was like, oh, that guy. Nolan's pretty small.

Oh, shit. Well, Robin Ventura, he was like a late 80s athlete, and Nolan Ryan was a mid-60s athlete. That's a good point, yeah. So they were so different. But Nolan was a big strapping dude. Big, like thick-shouldered, big legs on him. I see him being fat in my head. Nolan?

Yeah. Nolan's still not fat. I guess I never saw him without his pants on. He's still not fat, Nolan. But I see him just as like round, not necessarily an in-shape fella. I guess. Well, maybe the last time you saw him was that last year he pitched when he was like 46 or something. But still, he was in pretty good shape.

I never saw him as like a boy. No. You look at his like 70s footage he was a scary looking dude i suppose big tough son of a bitch so he's carried into the dressing room uh where he's found three hours later laying in a pool of his own vomit what just lying pool of his own vomit by the janitor that's who finds him the janitor not a medical personnel anything like that he is ambulance to a fucking hospital yeah because jesus christ uh you know what the fuck here and also uh this is at this point he's with diane mcveigh the parker sister here uh he says when he talks about when he drank the cups he says quote that's where they drug me in the third round i

started to feel nauseous i was seeing colors and it seemed like there were more people in the ring and more people around the ring. He was seeing multiples and shit. Yeah, the referee said, quote, he kept saying he was lightheaded and dizzy, and he was going to throw up. I thought maybe Tim had eaten something bad. Gastineau didn't even hit him, and it probably wouldn't have mattered if he had. He had no punching power. Gastineau couldn't even beat me in a fight. That is Houston Perkins, the fight's referee.

I love this guy. That's fucking amazing. He said, quote, this was the third Gastineau fight I'd refereed. And let's just say you knew in every one of them who was expected to win. So I fought and I reffed his fucking fixed matches is what he said. He said, you know, his mind was shot and gaston i was just teeing off on him when he i guess a right hook finally sent him down uh but he got back up to anderson but you know he was all fucked up and the ref called it off so anderson says quote i went back to the

locker room started throwing up in this big garbage can next thing i knew i was on the cement floor of the locker room and being woken up by this janitor it was three in the morning everything had been everybody everyone had left me there so he's taken to the ambulance and uh jesus christ parker's limousine driver was dispatched to pick him up at the hospital here the dennis jones guy jones will later on testify here uh on this whole thing jones said quote the doctor told us that night that he had been drugged. He was feeling sick and lightheaded. It was maybe five in the morning when we got back to the hotel and he went to bed. Later on that morning,

uh, Tim went to Parker's hotel room to get his money and they had a big argument there. Oh, he's still there. Yeah. Parker had all his people around. And Tim said, uh,

says, quote, I said, Rick, you guys drug me. I can't believe it. He goes, Mark was in great shape. He just you then i said to him look i'm not going to beat george foreman and i'm not going to beat larry holmes but i'm never going to lose to mark gastineau in a fair fight

never you screwed me it's like listen yeah all right dude yeah george foreman might beat me up but not that fucking guy so i guess doc received two thousand dollars from that fight to go along with a thousand dollars that he still owed him from the first gastonow fight so he paid him three thousand dollars total and uh this tim says quote uh yeah three thousand dollars for screwing up my life but that's really how it went i only got three thousand dollars out of all of this so that is fucking wild he goes back to fort lauderdale, Tim does, and he is still dizzy, still not feeling good the next day. Says he went to bed.

He didn't wake up for three days. Oh, my. You shouldn't do that. That's not good. Not at all. So he goes back to live with Jim Murphy, who IDs him on the way in the door. And he says, all right, you're good, pal. Come on.

It's still you. Murphy said, quote, he was never the same. He couldn't get out of bed and when he did he would bump into things he had vertigo and all these doctors tried to pinpoint the problem but they couldn't find anything wow that's fucking crazy and the doctor the night at the hospital said well if we don't if you were drugged and we don't know what you were drugged with we don't know how to help you how to fix it we don't know we can't fix it basically we're not going to go through 45 different drug tests and find out.

You're not that important. That's how they did it. So it's at this point he contacts a Miami lawyer to sue Elvis, as well as the fight venue in Oklahoma. So he starts a lawsuit going. And shortly afterwards, he was coming out of a convenience store and was attacked by two men with baseball bats. Just random guys. Tim was. Two masked men with baseball bats beat him up

and while he was on the ground, showed him a photograph of his sister, Erin, the wheelchair, who's in a wheelchair, as well as her two small daughters and told him to stop making trouble if he wants nothing to happen to them. Okay. So this is clearly all right you know this

isn't random trouble i'm only making trouble in one place they didn't ask him for 10 bucks or anything so this was something uh he thought that he was dying and everything else and uh you know tim just thought his life was over he doesn't feel good he's getting beat up with baseball bats so he wrote a poem tim writes a poem that's why this is the time this is a poem now we've never had a poem now for in 200 episodes this is our first poem from an athlete i believe slam poetry or is it i mean dot sick might have wrote something racist or something like that but no one else wrote any poetry so i'm gonna go ahead and read his poetry in its entirety here uh let's see here it's it's pretty fucking funny it's abracadabra

in oklahoma is the name of it okay pretty important outside the arena in early december 1992 was a blizzard making the promoter think he was don king the wizard yeah but but gastineau couldn't fight looking more like betty crocker after his beating in san francisco this was a shocker my corner men thought they were so discreet, but all they wanted was for Doc Anderson to get beat. Rich Parker was hoping in all the confusion that the boxing world would believe his delusion. Instinctively in the ring, Tim knew something was amiss, and if somebody told the truth would be his only wish.

Houston Perkins lied he was the referee at the trial. The real ref was Stephen Thomason, but lying wasn't his style. Parker had no clue to prize-fighting protocol, as he turned out to be Doc's real downfall. Remember, the sweet science is not a game. Another black guy for boxing, and that's a shame. Anderson on the video seems lost with the speed, as Rick was smiling about his wicked deed. His plan was set in motion with only a seed or was that or it was just revenge and his inner greed. Until the end, Parker was diverting suspicion because the drugged warrior couldn't follow his intuition.

Even in this business, it was too grimy. But this but this Elvis was completely slimy. Old sins usually have long shadows and they can lead you to the gallows tim has destroyed the former gridiron great and would not retreat but an hour later the janitor found him found him in nightmare on elm street amongst the storm in the coldest of crowds with taped hands and gloves and head in the clouds mark thrust his fist against the ring post but doc insists he still sees the ghost. That's his poem. He's no Dr. Seuss.

He's no Dr. Seuss. But I will tell you this. Listening to you read that, I was trying to guess what the rhyme was going to be, and I was about 60%. I was close. He's not a poet, but you know what? Fuck it. It's pretty good. He wrote something on paper, which is more than we can say for most of our athletes.

He did a pretty good job telling the story. Lenny, where's your poetry job telling the story yeah lenny where's your poetry lenny dykstra where's your poetry you send that in and we'll get to work yeah make a dirty limericks i don't care i don't he'd be good at those probably yeah so uh everything what how many times can i rhyme pussy hey what rhymes with pussy how many things rhyme with snatch what rhymes with i hope you don't have syphilis. Because I want to raw dog you. That doesn't rhyme, right? Does anything rhyme with clunge?

I want to raw dog you with, I don't know, whatever, never mind. We love you, Lenny. If I call it gash, I can rhyme the shit out of it. Hey, everything rhymes with that. So he's having a hard time. Murphy, his roommate, says for six months he was bedridden yeah which is crazy he said this is the scenario me and my girlfriend rented every movie in blockbuster that used to be a video store everybody for the guy that's all he could do

lay in bed and watch movies there's no question he was drugged and it killed his life period he couldn't work out he didn't box at all the guy that i knew was dead from that point on at that point murphy was selling hospital supplies and he used his connections to get medical help for doc because he didn't really have insurance or anything like that so he drove anderson to get different tests and everything like that he said every time they got in the car he'd have to pull over so doc could throw up all the time because he couldn't couldn't even be in the car anymore uh doc says i felt i felt like i was on a carnival ride i was so dizzy all the time and murphy says quote we had every single every test imaginable done mris vertigo tests cat scans

motion x-rays acupuncture with pulse monitoring biofeedback equipment everything one doctor gave him vertigo exercises that helped him for a few months he was able to get out of bed then finally out and even work out a little bit that's when he got jumped the first time that's when he got beaten with the baseball bats also around this time 1994 he is uh he's arrested for uh speeding in a residential area so there's that but that's a quick thing here that's when he gets hit again like Like we said, the baseball bats. About the baseball bats, he says, quote, this was their payback. They told me to forget everything I knew about Parker, forget the lawsuit, forget the book. And then they showed him the phone, the picture of the sister.

Yeah, a picture, and I said phone. It's not on a phone. It's 1994. It's an actual phone. They'd be like, how did you get that on your phone? It would have to be taped to their phone. I brought my cordless house phone, and I taped your sister's picture to the back of it. What do you think of that? Have a gander at that.

Look at that. Why'd you bring the phone? You could have just brought the picture. Super weird. Super weird. So nothing seemed to help. He found doctors. He even went to a psychiatrist to see if maybe it was in his head.

Oh, no. And Murphy says, quote, Parker began phoning him at that point. Tim got me and my girlfriend on the line once to hear. Basically, he told Tim he didn't want to hear accusations about a book. He'd say, you know what I've done before. You know where your sister, you know, I know where your sister and family live. You know me, Tim, you know what I can do. That's what they overheard him saying.

But he said, nope. He kept talking about the lawsuit in the book and he didn't give a shit um that's that's it he uh and i guess once a stranger on the street when tim was walking down the street stopped him and just showed him an address uh written on a piece of paper and it was his sister's address to some stranger and he said maybe you should forget about parker and that's that's things that were happening on the street now the sister the said sister here aaron she says quote he never told me about it he wanted to protect me i guess i wish he would have said something who knows what might have happened then it could have been uh it couldn't have been any worse than what did as uh this is terrible here so he's having a hard time. He really can't do anything.

He's basically bedridden. He's bedridden here and having a hard time. The doctor said the only way to get proper treatment was to find out what started this in the first place. He needed to finish this book. What he does, Tim calls Elvis up and he says look my book's nearly done i need an interview with you for the book that's what's going to do i'll pay you forty five thousand dollars to do an interview with me for this book so if you do that i'll give you forty five thousand dollars and uh tim said quote he wouldn't have met with me if i told him what i really wanted

so uh they decide to meet up april 28, 1995. They're going to meet up. It's at a hotel in Orlando here. It's an embassy suites in Orlando. And they're going to meet up in room 250. And it's at that point where Murphy finds out that this is going to happen. The IDing roommate there. And he says, look, Tim, you need to go with a gun. You got to go with a gun.

You can't just show up. He's already had guys beat you up with baseball bats and all this sort of shit. I've heard what he said on the phone. You can threaten your life. You threaten your family. Get a gun. So he brings him to a gun store, and Tim purchases a.38 revolver. So he gets a.38 revolver to just make him feel a little bit better here.

Now, Anderson told a friend later on that he was determined to find out what the toxins were. Basically, he's going there to say, what the fuck did you give me so I can fix this fucking thing that's wrong with me find out what the toxins were basically he's going there to say what the fuck did you give me so i can fix this fucking thing that's wrong with me yeah that's it so uh he never told diane his girlfriend about the gun at all either and he drove to meet parker drives drives to meet elvis uh accompanied by his diane elvis's sister and elvis's 14 year old son chris who had not seen elvis in years what this is a he brought him to he brought yeah he brings the guy's sister and the sister had brought his son there hasn't seen in fucking years so this is like a reunion for a father and son for haven't seen for years and he's gonna this is a crazy a lot of events going on so they

get parker elvis gets reacquainted with his son for a few minutes and then he asks uh his sister and son to leave the room so he could talk business for a minute so he hasn't seen his son in years i've never seen go out there that's fine you'll you won't miss me you didn't miss me while i was gone so far right look at me are me. Are you disappointed? Of course you are. Get out of here. Look at his neck beard. Fuck off. You got one coming in your future. So at that point, Tim demands to know what drugs were used to poison him.

And he had a tape recorder for the interview. And he said, what the fuck did you do? And he had the tape recorder out. And he said that he pointed. He got nothing. Parker said, I don't know what you're talking about. So then he pointed the gun at him, too, with the tape recorder. And he said, Parker gave him the same answer.

Said, I don't know, I don't know. So Tim put the gun down to his side, like just kind of exasperated. Like, what the fuck? I can't even get this guy to talk with a gun to his face. He said, Anderson says, quote, he took the tape recorder, knocked it into the next room, and it broke against the wall says quote he took the tape recorder knocked it into the next room and it broke against the wall so he took it and threw it against the wall because he didn't want any of this tape that uh the elvis did anderson then pulled the gun back out and said

listen motherfucker now we're going to talk so uh parker you know started trying to talk his way out of it elvis did here uh but you know it didn't uh it wasn't working finally tim kind of gave up puts the gun back down to his side again and then parker starts yelling at him yeah so he's fucking yelling at him which is a mother of walls he moved at this point he's yelling at him like he's you know frankenstein yelling his monster right like god damn it lenny god damn you killed the fucking mouse he says this is uh tim he says this quote the last thing i remember him saying is quote for that stunt you just pulled with the gun your sister aaron is dead he says next thing you know i'm standing in the kitchen i see rick laying there

i saw he was shot in the groin the stomach and the knee that's tim's uh quote here i counted eight places uh so i obviously wasn't in control of anything. I went into the bedroom, put the gun in my mouth, and said, forgive me, Lord. Okay? So, this is, wow. He said that he could remember rolling him over and counting the bullets. He was sideways, and I rolled him on his back. I counted the bullets in his thigh and his groin.

What he did is he emptied the full six into Elvis. Five. It's a 38. It holds five. He emptied that. What he did is he emptied the full six into Elvis. It's a 38. It holds five. He emptied that. Then he reloaded it. We'll have some more. Let's put some more in there. He doesn't remember any of that. No, he doesn't remember any of that. He says Rob Russin,

who was Parker's partner there, he says later on, I asked him, why did you shoot so often? Why'd you keep shooting him like that and he told anders he said that anderson said that quote he felt sorry for him because he wouldn't die oh he was shooting him and he wasn't dying five times he survived so he grabbed three more yeah because i never shoot him so uh immediately afterwards uh tim sits on the bed and puts the gun in his mouth he's got the gun in his mouth um he also has written goodbye letters

and has them tucked into his Bible and everything there ready with him as well. With him as well. He brought his Bible too. And his goodbye letters there. So put the gun

on his mouth, pulled the trigger and the gun jammed. A revolver jammed? Gun jammed. There's a malfunction with it. So he tries again,

gun jammed again. What? So he says, quote, i took the gun threw it on the ground and bam it went off unbelievable uh and there later on a state's firearm examiner testified there was a malfunction with the gun that could lead it to jamming there's some kind of got it the firing pin something was wrong with it yeah that was off uh he said so he was so fucking enraged now he tried to kill himself Didn't work through it on the ground. It went off. He's like, fuck.

It's like a comedy. What the fuck? Yeah, this is ridiculous. So he said he went in the bushes beside the building, grabbed the gun again and tried to pull the trigger again. Yeah. And he said, five times I pulled the trigger. Nothing happened.

Unbelievable. Yeah. Nothing happened. He said, finally, I heard this voice saying, my son, it's not your time. Mm hmm. All right. Good time to find religion. And he said, finally, I heard this voice saying, my son, it's not your time. All right. Good time to find religion, Chief. Oh, boy.

So he gave up and went to the front desk and told the clerk what happened and just waited in the lobby for the cops to come. There's a man dead. I can't shoot anybody else, apparently. Except him. I'm good at shooting him. Me, not so good at it. I'm terrible at it. Yeah. except him i'm good at shooting him me not so good at it uh yeah later on he told uh the he tells the detectives that he doesn't even want to trial yeah uh yeah he's just a mess um it's his father says quote there's nothing in tim suggests he's capable of something like this without a lot

of provocation if he felt his sister was threatened that would be enough not just for him but for anybody fair enough uh yeah this is uh well when tim comes in uh the the fire and rescue squad get there and tim meets them at the door and he says yeah i shot him eight times yeah so you might want to get on that and he puts the gun inside their car here's the gun there it is i shot him eight times with that so there's that it doesn't work anymore yeah i can't get it to work so i don't know maybe if there's another fat guy it'll work that you're not in danger don't worry because this doesn't work he then tells a firefighter quote i just shot the guy eight times i deserve the death penalty just go ahead and kill me now and he put the gun in there like can you shoot me yeah well maybe i mean i killed the guy make this work yeah he said then the detective

showed up and he said i went to the detective and I said, listen, I don't want a trial. I don't want any attorneys. I'll tell you everything that happened. I want the death penalty as soon as possible. That's what he said. So that was where he was at. Just I don't care.

Aaron, her brother or sister here was just horrified. She said, I never heard about the threats until Rick was dead. I wished he would have told me earlier. There's no way on earth my brother would kill someone. At first, I was angry at him. It's just so hurtful that he's not in our lives anymore, which is true. Later on, Tim will say he doesn't remember shooting Parker. He says he blanked out, and he just remembers pulling out a tape recorder and telling Parker to list every drug that they gave him that night.

And then the rest is all a mess. So obviously he goes to he's sitting in jail and in a fucking terrible. Oh, boy. He's in a bad place. Florida jail. This is a Florida jail. And I mean, he's in a place where he says, just kill me now. I don't even want a trial.

I don't know. I just tried to kill myself and it didn't work. And he's too nice of a guy to try to tried to kill myself, and it didn't work. And he's too nice of a guy to try to hold a gun on the cops until they shoot him. He doesn't want to do that. I tried as many times to kill me as I tried to kill him. Yeah, literally. Didn't fucking work. So, I mean, it's just, dude, I would hate to be this guy.

I mean, it's terrible stuff. He's got to be going through a lot in his brain, sitting in this fucking room. And, you know, he's just sitting there, hanging out, and he can't get out for anything. That's the other thing. He's stuck here. Yeah, forever. So, because, I mean, you're not going to get bail. No.

Well, I mean, he shot him eight times, but, I mean. Is that eight times attempted murder? It's going to be at work on Monday, so we should probably let him out. So, yeah, I mean, he's sitting there and he's thinking of better times that happened before, and he just doesn't know what to do with himself. Jimmy, what would you do in this situation? Be happy, because I've got the ending in my book.

That's true. Oh, but he can't use that. No, because he can't benefit. He committed, so he can't benefit. He got the perfect ending. That's why he wanted to kill himself. He went, the perfect ending to my fuck god damn it it's perfect jesus it's like fucking usual suspects man he fucking straightens his foot out it's kaiser fucking so say fuck you can't do it he's like god damn it it's so frustrating it's so frustrating so uh he's just sitting there and he's sitting in jail wondering what to do.

And then out of nowhere, the door bursts open and he expects, is this more people with baseball bats? Is this Elvis's fucking hit squad now? Who is this? But it's none of them. It's Vince McMahon. Yes. CEO.

And what is it? Chairman of the WWE. Yes, I'm using him again because it's fits from last time so yeah he comes in and he says how is it you've come to arrive here look at you oh my god now okay now look okay i love the hair yeah i love the purple i love the women in the ring this is great stuff hollywood knockouts knockouts it's perfect it's perfect i'm gonna use it not for you for somebody else but thank you for the idea no no no thank you fuck you but still i'm gonna steal your idea give you nothing but that's okay you're used to it you're used to that no shirt look at your no shirt your spiky hair you're wearing purple things it's perfect i love you but you don't

even need to know how to fight but there is one thing you're gonna need and that's drugs yeah i'm disappointed in your stance on drugs yeah i'll never understand that ever ever i dexter oh by the way i'm supposed to tell you i don't know, he said, you're white trash. You, sir, are something white trash, and you can't some El Camino engines in your I don't know what the hell he's talking. He's out in the car. I told him to wait there. He's not

feeling very good, but he said to make sure to tell you that you're white trash. He said, oh, please tell him white trash. I can't. I can't do him. You know how he is. I don't know. I do that, but by the way, try these overalls on. You know how he is. I don't know. Do that. By the way, try these overalls on. You have a lot of time. Let's just try them on.

Let's just see how they walk around. Let's just walk around. Let's see how they feel. I have a poof and a poof of 1099s and lawsuits. He's gone. Contractors. And Tim is like, that was really strong drugs or whatever they gave me. Because that was years ago and I just saw Vince McMahon in frontahon in front of me i really wish i hadn't shot that guy i'd really

like to get the bottom of whatever it was he drugged me with super weird here especially if that guy comes back yeah and now diane elvis's sister still visit visits tim in jail after that professes her love for him she knows her brother's a douche. Supports him through the whole thing. And this is ostracized. Her family members have ostracized her because of this. You know, you can't side with the guy who killed your brother, even if he's an asshole. But she says, quote, over the years, there were so many people who might have wanted Rick dead.

He wasn't a very nice person and took advantage of a lot of people. I'm not surprised that someone killed him. I'm just surprised that tim did yeah which is fucking fair uh in the first week in jail by the way a preacher came to his cell and after the whole not your time son thing he was open to that shit oh yeah tim says quote he laid hands on me he was talking to me about the lord telling me about the holy spirit and tears started flowing down his cheeks i started crying i felt healed my body felt whole again tears fell down the priest the preacher's face he starts crying and that made that cured him of his drug disease uh two days later he said he began working out regularly for the first time in nearly two years and he joined

bible study ready to go jesus saves you know it uh they the by the way his lawyers didn't use this at his trial that like he's like a christian they didn't want it to seem like oh convenient type thing uh so they didn't want to whatever so during a pre-trial interview though he would always the defendant's table just humming just humming he's always everything was god bless and God bless you. I got good news. I got good news. Hold on.

You know what they need for that? They need like a remix. I've got, I've got. Yeah, I'm going to do it right now in my head. And then if I ever get out of here, I'm going to put it down. I'm going to put that shit on wax. We're going to get this shit right. Lay it down.

So he pleads not guilty. Really? Saying that the shooting was self-defense for the threats that he had made against him and uh it was a pretty big circus this trial because elvis was a character and he was on 60 minutes and he was a you know this is the the reason why we saved this for 200 because this is the the silver-haired middle-aged white man finally got their fucking comeuppance. Yeah. I mean, it's in a bad way, but all of this whole time, everybody else gets fucking in jail and people get killed and people this.

And then that guy skates off to count his fucking money every time, whether it's Pete Roselle or it's Dana White, whether it's numerous coaches and managers, by the way. Oh, of course. You know, whether it's any of these fucking people they always get away with the fucking money because that's what they do except in this case where they say he thought he was gonna get away oh yeah he was so silver he was like someone with a gun in their hand he's like how dare you fuck you guess what so finally happened so that's how it works here uh now the problem is do you know who rushed into the room and found Elvis Parker? No.

His son. Oh, that 14-year-old. His 14-year-old son ran in to find him. Knew him for 34 seconds. And then found him dead in there. Oh, boy. So, yeah, he's not happy. He's going to be at the trial being all pissed off at Tim Anderson.

This trial lasts a week. There's not much of a trial because it's it's just people saying what a bad guy elvis was and what you know and tim did it and he testifies i did it so there really is no reason unless it's a direct threat for murder so it's a hard thing to defend the other harder part is like defending why did you just buy a gun like yesterday that's the thing that's brutal and uh before the at the the end of the trial, they let Parker's son here, Chris, make a statement. He says, Tim, I hope you never get out. If you do, I'll be waiting, is what he says.

Jesus. I would say. Can you say that to a boxer? I was going to say, he'll kick your ass probably. I mean, unless you have like a 2 and 35 record. He's still going to whoop your fat. I've seen your genetics. They aren't good.

He's going to kick your fat red ass anytime. Anytime he feels like aren't good. He's going to kick your fat red ass anytime. Anytime he feels like it, Chief. He's going to knock that beard down your throat. He doesn't even have to be working out. So the jury, seven women, five men. They deliberate for six hours and comes back guilty of first degree premeditated murder. It's the gun. It's the premeditated murder.

Yeah. His father, George, said, quote, it's not over,'s the premeditated murder um yeah his father george said quote it's not over but it seems to be pretty bad here um he took the stand before sentencing and uh he appeared weak and they uh they called his speaking a quote punch drunk rasp so that's not great he told the jury that parker suggested uh subjected him to years of psychological torture through threats to him and his family he claimed that he poisoned him he me you know everything he said he met with his friend to find a cure for what he thought was a life-threatening illness he said i went there knowing that things were not good and something could uh something bad could happen to me so that's why they're doing that. Yeah, it's fucking.

They also said that Parker didn't have a gun or any bodyguards that day. So he was like, you know, I don't know. He didn't know that. And that's why he brought the gun. That's the thing. So he's found guilty of first degree murder, which state guidelines carries an automatic life without parole. It's an automatic in Florida here. The problem is the jurors are pissed about this.

One juror, Lee Buchanan, said, quote, I thought there was a lot of thought put into it before this took place. Even though you're threatened, you still can't take somebody's life, which is fair. They wanted second-degree murder, manslaughter, something like that, but they got this. Diane, who's the girlfriend and sister, said, quote, I lost a brother and now I lost a good friend, which, yeah.

Tim was surprised by the verdict. He said, I feel really bad for what happened for his family, but I also have a part of me that feels relieved, which is fair. So there's a lot of trial things his lawyers did not do a great job with this um they never called his roommate murphy as a witness really because murphy was with him neither side really wanted him to testify because murphy had a lot of information if he actually heard threats from elvis so the prosecution didn't want him in there but then he also went took anderson to buy the gun he doesn't want to be

there for he doesn't want to be there for that so everybody just figures it's better if he just doesn't come at all it's good for everybody um but yeah they didn't go for temporary insanity which i mean you had something you had a shot there at least with a with a punch drunk guy like that or where they wouldn't feel they wouldn't want to find him guilty of first degree or anything like that. They said that, you know, they're saying, well, if it was first degree, why did he go to the hotel with witnesses if he was premeditated? Why did he bring his son? True.

Unless. But he also brought a Bible with goodbye letters. So he might have planned, I'm going to shoot him, then I'm going to off myself. That could be his plan. And how fucking brutal is that to bring a kid that he's never seen that's brutal off him in front of them i mean it makes the guy not think you're gonna do it but i mean that's what you do in the mob i guess um he said that you know they were saying why didn't he have an escape plan he went to the hotel desk and told

the clerk and then waited calmly for the police that happens so many times in a murder where the guy once it's over they're like well i don't know what else to do now i guess i just wait for the cops all right we've seen that countless times in small town murder hit him in the head with a lawnmower blade yeah i hit him that call it a sling blade that's what happens a lot so that's like yeah he dead that's like one damn there split his head in two split his head in two so the judge says you sir yeah may fuck off life without parole wow doc life without parole a couple of the jurors are very upset about that they said that if they knew about that their verdict would have been different yeah one juror specifically vincent runfola he says immediately after reaching our verdict another unanimous

decision was made we were all going to write a letter during the pre-sentence investigation requesting leniency for mr anderson we now know that we never had that chance most of the jury members walked out of the courtroom feeling blindsided and misled once we agreed on the verdict many of us cried and silence filled the room for what seemed like an eternity it was then that we all decided to write a letter prior to mr anderson's sentencing to request leniency at the time we had no idea upon returning to the courtroom that mr anderson would be sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole uh most of us left that evening feeling shocked so he was just like this is crazy everybody said that they didn't expect that they didn't know them that they didn't tell him like first degree carries this automatic

and then they said they wouldn't have did that they didn't think he deserved life in prison it's a manslaughter kind of a thing uh so i mean they even feel bad for and they're like yeah we feel bad the guy's dead but we feel we feel bad for the 14 year old but we feel fucking bad for this guy too as it's hard not to everybody needs some sympathy i mean i feel bad for tim i feel but not nearly as bad jimmy as i feel yeah for tim anderson sales and business development and commercial management in the uk uh tim anderson director at yorkshire building services in doncaster uk here uh tim anderson senior manager for risk and compliance uh for investments at rest in the the Greater Melbourne area there and down under. Tim Anderson, Vice President of Marketing and Insights, Global BBC News Limited.

So he's in London there, important job. Dr. Tim Anderson, Primary Care Physician, Health Services Researcher, and Instructor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School in the Division of General Medicine. Or a murderer. Or a murderer. Or a murderer here. And Texas Representative Congressman Charles Doc Anderson as well. He gets thrown in there as well. He was also a former veterinarian.

No kidding. That's why he's Doc. And finally, Tim Anderson, Chicago White Sox superstar at this point came up in 2017 he signed a $25 million six year contract and last year he led the major leagues with a.335 batting average and he killed Elvis and the lowest walk percentage in the American League

which is not great, but still, that's okay so, he's in prison tim is uh he was awaiting surgery for nerve problems and disc problems in his neck when he says quote i got beat up in my cell in the lee county jail two guys just walked in one day and attacked me they beat me up pretty good it all gets back to the parker stuff no doubt there were other people involved other promoters other fighters they're getting prisoners to threaten me. I just don't know who exactly is after me now. He's in the county?

Well, that was when he was waiting. Got it. He said, he's doing this on a phone call, and it says, they're telling me I only have one minute left on this call. You know, I've been thinking about when I played baseball. I could have stayed with that. I don't know how far I could have gone in it,

but I like the training of boxing, so I started taking boxing more seriously. And then he pauses and he says, I should have stayed with baseball. And then the interview was over with him. Yeah, so he was serving there. Everybody says that he's an upbeat guy, happy guy. His father said, quote, he's just amazing. Many times when family members visit, we'll be depressed, but after spending a few hours with Tim, we all feel better.

He's a very adaptable and always upbeat and happy, regardless of his circumstances. He's always been like that. Yeah, Aaron, his sister, who he was fighting so hard to save here, she takes her daughters there to see him. They said, quote, her daughter said, quote, she's a great he's a great person and a great uncle. I remember him waking up early and cooking us breakfast. He was always making us eat healthy.

I have memories of him cutting up kiwis. So nice guy is what they're saying here. He appeals and they're all exhausted. It doesn't work because the way his lawyers put it up, his appeal would have to be either some sort of court error or new evidence or new evidence because otherwise it's just fucking first degree murder so uh his appeals have been exhausted but a miami appeals attorney named marcia silvers took on his case also and was trying to get another prominent lawyer on there they're working pro bono uh This was years ago, though, when Jeb Bush was still governor, trying to get Jeb Bush to give him a new clemency or at least maybe get a new trial. The lawyer said, quote,

There are a lot of inmates who deserve to be in jail a lot more than Tim Anderson does. The facts of this case are so unique, and Tim has the support of so many solid citizens. Several jurors have stated that they would have not have convicted Tim of such a serious crime if they knew he'd be sentenced to life in prison. She says there are mitigating factors of the alleged poisoning. This case doesn't just add up to premeditated murder. I firmly believe that this act was committed in the heat of the moment, which amounts to at most second degree murder, but most likely manslaughter.

I work on a lot of high profile murder cases and for lots of money. I'm not even being paid my expenses for this case. The reasons are simple. I would say, it's hard to say, but Rick Parker certainly had something coming to him. He certainly deserved his ass kicked. Yeah. Murphy, Jim Murphy, his roommate, his ID and everybody, he says that Anderson, he knows Anderson's a killer, but he doesn't think he's a murderer. He said it's just the state laws, and he believes the punishment might have been warranted, but he doesn't think his friend should die in prison. And he's worried that just some legal shit isn't going to help him at all. I like that. Isn't going to help him at all.

I like that quote. I know he's a killer, but I don't know if he's a murderer. That's the thing. Yeah. isn't going to help them at all quote i know he's a killer but i don't know if he's a murderer that's the thing yeah um they asked uh murphy finally here uh they asked him uh if any if he could think of any a less likely killer than anderson and uh he took a minute to think about it and said mother theresa was the only one now is she a killer too no the least likely so who's least who do you who are the two least likely

people to kill anybody besides tim and he goes mother theresa and tim aren't going to kill anybody so um i found on a on a particular article um some of the people who know these people got into it with comments so i found a couple here that are that are pretty fucking interesting here um i found here uh here's a guy the screen screen name of Ron Hanson that commented on this. And he says, I worked for Rick Parker and I knew Tim well. I didn't know he was sentenced to life without parole. I'm going to write a letter and state the facts about Parker. If Parker said he was going to do something to Tim's sister, it would have been done.

But Parker wouldn't have done it personally. He would have had some of his thugs do it and they would have done it rick parker was an evil scandalous person who idolized don king to point to the point uh mimicked don king with his words and his actions a class a thug tim should have been made a saint for what he did uh not a convict in fact i would go as far as saying tim probably saved other people's lives by committing the action that he's wrongfully imprisoned for god damn here comes diane yeah diane diane oh diane mcveigh oh boy who is now diane morse oh she's been married something she said i was tim's love of his life and i was there for five of tim's first years in the boxing industry he gave up baseball for boxing and it did him in i warned him that if you lay down with

maggots you'll become a maggot i begged him him not to choose boxing, but that's neither here nor there. This is a different one, by the way. This is not the sister. This is a different Diane. Really? From his younger days. Okay. I met Rick Parker many times and told him to his face what a scumbag he was,

and you better not F over Tim. We broke up in 1986 after five years due to the boxing world. I know all too well about Mark and that they both deserved about Mark and that they both deserved their asses beat to a pulp. Yet Tim chose what he chose against his will. And no doubt he deserves to be released. Please. She's asking him to send letters to the clemency board. And then somebody then somebody comes out and has an opposite.

Someone's a pro Rick pro pro parker this is a quote this is a bunch of bullshit nobody gets to hear the other side of the story because rick is dead but i'm his family and this is all crap tim there's no periods in this by the way i'll read it like it says it this is a bunch of bullshit nobody gets to hear the other side of the story because rick is dead and i but i'm his family and all this is crap tim premeditated this to the fullest took his son and rick's sister and that's just so that he would have that in his defense totally premeditated the guy deserves to rot in prison i don't give a damn what any of you say to know rick was to love him and if i could have a bad and if i could have bad with you because you have had bad with him bottom line is line is tim murdered him premeditated rotten dude hell one sentence that's one sentence one sentence that is run on as fuck one sentence jimmy that's

crazy can't get enough no of of tim anderson and parker and all this well you could get a hold of tim he's in jail oh boy he's certainly there he's in jail uh yeah he's in apparently current facility zephyr hills correctional institution is that florida i believe he's in florida yes sir and uh he's in there that's him um and uh yeah he's not getting out and they said he encourages people to write him and he's happy to get letters and happy to i'd write him uh yeah you can write him there's also a on this form on the website where you find that there's a visitation request forms if you want to go say hi to him if you live in florida or whatever but uh coronavirus blows over i hope somebody contacts him and writes a screenplay with

him and makes this into a goddamn movie because that's amazing it's a fucking crazy story than the hurricane this is yeah this is a crazy story there's no happy ending there's no happy yeah this is a hurricane this is real life don't give ending. There's no happy ending. Stop with the fucking hurricane. Yeah, this is life. This is real life. Don't give me happy endings. I want a fucking, I want real life. I want the fucking camera backing away from his face as the light gets to him in his cell. That's what I want. Yeah, the guy's coming in to beat him up.

The sound of, he's walking out of a convenience store. A bat comes in the frame, hits him in the head. That's the shit you want to see. It's a great movie. This would be an amazing fucking movie. mark gastineau would be a great character it'd be a wild movie so there it is everybody episode get on board get on board episode 200 everybody unbelievable we saved this one for a while for you guys and uh we know a couple other podcasts have done this particular story because it's crazy and fuck it this belongs to us yeah he's a boxer who murdered someone so i don't give a shit our wheelhouse this

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Yeah, you know what I'm doing. I don't know what I'm doing. Karen Allison. Jason Kramer. Hillary Galvin. Lindsay would know last name. Nikki Wingard. Steve Siciliano.

Phil Vermuza. Jeff Mouch. Grace McClellan-Webb, Jennifer Zavala, Sonia Van Rensburg, Nicholas with no last name, Cindy Austin, Gaddis Parkolinsky, probably not, Parkol, Pakol, Pakolnins, Diana Torres, Doug Habern, Jessica with no last name, Phil Bieber, Bieber, Bieber, Bieber, Aidan Page, Gordon Bennett, Kelsey Robinson, Abigail Beck, Jacqueline Stigall, Jamie Rawson, Michael Creighton, Ludmilla Banks, Courtney with know last name. Justin would know last name. Jess Starah. Brad McCormick. Ethan Crocker. Samantha would know last name. Justino Cabrera-Almazon. Francis Wright Olson.

Mariah Lawson. Tori Tuchillo. Tuchillo. Jacob Cook. Hugo Kinneard. Antoinette Angelone.oni uh connie connie aaron i think no is that right t grimes shay brown katie garland noble angel uh angie copeland copeland noah wooten marcus uh barnetson yes meredith luttrell amber thomas marcus i said that michael reba stephanie olsen and uh adam gaber uh katie would know last name allison west sarah peterson megan o'brien jamie would know last

name calvin maddox boy oh boy it's deep this week rebecca rebecca russell john buck uh tim hawn John Buck, Tim Hahn, Christy Kahu, Jill Maddell, Deanna Guglielmi, Lauren Miles, Jill Smith, Dominique Wright, Katie Garman, Ninlal McGee, Ellie Bohan, Michelle, no, that's Nicole, Nicole Schoble, Joe Duffy, Eric Curie, Erica with no last name, Emily Langley, Desiree Smith or Desiree, Amber with no last name, Zach McKenna, Josh with no last name, Becky Brothers, Shannon, no, Sharon, Minetta, Catherine Coase, Sarah Klimko, Zach Sexton. Marlite Phillips. Katie Nicole. Katie with no last name. Mallory Caldwell. Angie Ward. Tessa Teresa Janik. God damn it. Roe Thorne. Amy Hansen.

Zach Markman. No. Markarian. Yeah. Yeah. Jessica Vian. Kizinya. Kizinya.

Koma Karzetsky. Nice. No. Koma Karzetsky. Nice. No. Koma, Carmen, Amber, Asha and John Muth. Shelby, God damn it. Shelby Fenyes, Fenyx, Fenyxes. Doug Tara, Gerobert, no, Gerobert, Gerobert Green. Brandy Lobey. Delaney Cliff.

Delaney, sorry. James with no last name. Reina Furlate. Furlate. Ross White. Heath Wolverton. Wolverton. Looks like Wolverine.

Jude Kendall with no last name. No, that's Jude Kendall. Jesus, that's his last name. That's his last name. Samantha Farrell. Tia Foshee. Jen Lill. Dove Harper, Jeff Gramsey, Nicole Schoble. I said that already, I think.

Veronica Mathis, Allie Shirley, Jody Tristano, Cam Lansford. Cindy would know last name. Jackie would know last name. Kendall Brooke, Tucker Ely. Devin would know last name. I write that down, and I say that out loud so that i make sure whatever uh lydia mccormick kate would know last name mira rookie uh brandy wilson stubby ballsack no stubby mick ballsack oh which makes it better much yeah ed klein that's joe klein yeah joe klein's brother ed uh michael Michael Cole, Shanna Williams, Thomas Bellinger, Margie Adeline, Maggie with no last name,

Crystal Hall, Alicia Duven, Chelsea Richards, Jeff Rash, Tom Baterman, Raderman. Jesus, you're not a Baterman. Shanley, Shanley, Shanley Gilligan, Paul Vamos, Amy Famous Amos Rodriguez Colleen Gregory Nakia Stewart Tiffany Loveless Killiam No, Killam Killam Sales

Alexandria Myers Nikita Dia Homestretch Mike L Tiffany Savage Laura Invalgible No, Ingalby, I think Joanne Molloy

Yeah, Molloy Aubrey Okenfuss. David Bernhardt. Peyton Meadows. Lucy Love. Tammy with no last name. Griffin Mekelberg. Audrey McCraney.

David Gilmore. Jeremy McDuffie. Even when I try to slow it down, I fuck it up. Jenna Keel. Brandon Munchenback, I think. All right. Probably not. Scott failed. Dana Berry. try to slow it down i fuck it up jenna jenna jenna keel brandon munching by munching back i think all right probably not scott failed dana berry dana berry fuck joshua lewis uh wendy brown jamie lynn canes caves uh celeste celeste better petty john leona messing joseph wetzen wetzen eicher Leona Messing, Joseph Wetzeneicher, Wazintek, Juliana with no last name, Melissa Schmaltz, Ivan Gonzalez, Aaron Hudson, Alex Ortiz, Deborah Bwettner, Collin Foster, Lisa Stanton, Kyle

Waugh, Chris Davis, Heather Goss, Elizabeth, no last name, Michael Contreras, Ryan Sweet, Eleanor Petter, Michael Lampum, Amanda McWilliams, Susan Talley, Jackie Sukup, Amanda Miller, Corey Raley, Ryan Dempsey, Brendan Williams, Heather Alwazy, Gary Howard again. Thanks, Gary. Amanda Knight, Diane McCreary, Lisa Dombrowski, Kira Duhamel, Dana Campbell, James Sheridan, Hugo Kinneard. I think I said that once. Lucky. He must have donated both ways. Thank you.

Lucky Duck Hash, and that's a company that makes hash. Ashley Veo, TJ Mack, Jacob Better, Livia, Billy Artemis, Eric Lopez, Martina Lui-Wolonga. I'm so sorry, Martina. We'll get back there, I promise. James Payne, Mike Weiss, Kirsten Chase, Katie Garland-Noble, Kirsten Cortright, Cody Bush, Kayla Rippey, Ashley Mistarepic, Laura Higbee, Tracy D. Martini. ripe ripa ashley mista missa mr repic misty i think it is laura higby tracy d martini uh melanie regga bonan no ragunad uh andrew andrea webster amanda richardson brenda patrick nick hazeltine uh louise rayfield she's been donating so many times. Thank you so much, Louise.

Thank you so much. Anita Teacamp, Matthew Solomon, Chelsea Picker-Pisker. She's up there in the north. Tracy Renninger, James Aselta, Mario Guerra.

I think that's my ex-wife's cousin. That's fucking bizarre. That'd be weird. Thank you, Mario. James Martyr, Donovan James Smith, Derek Lemons, Melissa Cohen,

and Susanna Platt, and of course all of our patreon uh donors you guys are fucking fantastic thank you thank you everybody so much from for everything that you've done for us not only this week but every week and every for the last 200 weeks you guys have really you've been amazing to us yeah really have and uh this this is a weird show we'll be honest with you it's a weird goddamn show it's a great show we feel like but it's a weird show to try to sell right like whatever network we've had they've always said the same thing about this show they come in and they're like awesome so we're gonna sell like a bunch of ball cream and like you know beard shit and we're like yeah our audience is like it's like 50 50 or maybe 60 40 women so

it's not just all a bunch of dudes they're like but it's a it says sports yeah but it's not a sports show it's a crime it's a comedy show where we make fun of criminal athletes that's all so it's not just guys listening they're like yeah but it says sports so i don't care if you have 20 million ladies we can't sell the ladies because it says sports. So why would they listen? It's fucking insane. We've been doing this for four years. It's having the same conversation that nobody seems to fucking understand. It's a comedy show.

Sell it like a comedy show. That's why you hear very few ads on this show because they don't know what to do. I don't know how. They don't know how to. And they come to us with very guy specific things where we're like, yeah, that's stupid. That's not going to fucking sell. Well, why are you giving us this so that's the thing you guys have stuck with us and we're certainly saying that to say that your your dollars and your patreon dollars have made it so this show

is a goddamn viable entity you're the reason it's here and it's not something where we're like well that's a lot of time that i don't need to fucking waste every week because we don't make any money off of it but you guys make it so it's fucking well worth it and we're just happy to hear that you guys like it so we'll keep doing it as long as you keep liking it how's that sound deal deal deal let's do that uh with that said jimmy how could people get a hold of you and thank you for 200 wonderful weeks you can find me at wisman sucks whisman sucks on twitter and instagram thank you so much where can they find you you can find me at jimmy p is funny or you can just copy and paste my name from the show description and make it nice and easy for yourself to find so you don't have to scramble around with

ease and eyes and figure out where vowels go that said everybody i i love that we get to say this again we're going to keep coming back every single damn week we have another one episode another episode next week of course we're going to keep coming back maybe not 200 more but at least 100 more right and i get to say it again for the 200th time live from the crime and sports studios we will see you next week hey prime members you can listen to crime and Sports early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey. Taylor Swift is soaring high, her every move captured in the news cycle and devoured by her devoted fans.

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