Crime in Sports - #21 - Too Many Causes Of Death - The Monstrousness of Craig Titus

Episode Date: June 21, 2016

This week, we check out a top tier bodybuilder, who was known as a hot head, with a checkered past, that included everything from public fist fights with friends, to running an ecstasy ring, and eventually joining forces with his fitness model wife to commit one of the most horrific crimes possible, with an attempted cover up that tested the limits of duct tape. Buy up all the lighter fluid in town, set your car ablaze, and flex those biceps with Craig Titus!! Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Tuesday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Crime in Sports!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Small Town Murder Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/crimeinsportsInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] on Patreon: patreon.com/crimeinsportsPayPal: paypal.me/crimeinsports See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I love that in the article for this, they talked about, like, I didn't realize that he was actually on the ground hanging. He was in a sitting position when they found him. Like D'Angelo Barksdale on a wire. He wanted to die. Oh, he was doing it. Phillips, when he wanted something, he got it. He got it. Whether it was a white woman that he wanted to feel like beating up or a spot in the NFL,

he's going after it. He went and found it. When he wants to die. So Lawrence Phillips, last we left him, he was hanging in a cell. Yep. Hanging in a cell after killing R.J. Sauer's cousin. Right. So that was interesting.

Now the autopsy finally came out because that was in January of this year that it actually was suicide. It is conclusive. Conclusive suicide. And he left his note behind, do not resuscitate and all that. He taped that shit to his chest. He did. That's awesome.

He said, leave me the fuck alone. Obviously, I went through great lengths to die. Let me do it in peace, goddammit. Did you hear about the one where the ex-NFL player was found in his cell? That's a great joke. Oh, my god. A great goddamn joke. With zero punchline. With zero punchline. So, without further ado. That's a great joke. Oh my God. A great goddamn joke. With zero punchline.

With zero punchline. So, without further ado, we have the man of the hour, the scum of the week, the idiot of the day. I've been looking forward to this. God, this is a fun story. And I've been dying to do this story. I'm so happy we got to it this week. So, it is Craig Titus.

Yes. Craig Titus. If you're not familiar with Craig Titus, he's a bodybuilder. He was actually a very famous bodybuilder. Really, if you see his picture and you've been to like a grocery store walking up and seeing the muscle magazines, you'll go, I think I recognize that guy. You've seen him a hundred times. He looks like somebody that would be on Men's Health every fucking month. Every week.

And he pretty much was. So let's get to the beginning of the origins of Craig Titus. Can't wait. Craig Michael Titus, he's born. He's a bodybuilder. His last name's Titus, which sounds like he's big. You know what I mean? It's Titus.

So it's a very fortuitous naming for him. He's born January 14, 1965. He's from Winnadot, Michigan. Wyandot, Michigan. I don't know how the hell you say that. I don't Winnidot, Michigan. Wyandotte, Michigan. I don't know how the hell you say that. I don't know either. Basically, outside of Detroit. He always says he's from basically Detroit.

Gotcha. He grew up in Riverview, which is outside of Detroit. I assume a suburb of some kind. He's the oldest of three kids. He's got a younger brother, younger sister. Also in the mix here. And he's the oldest. He's the oldest.

So his parents doted on him, no doubt. Not a big kid. No doubt not a big kid no not a big kid oh yeah he was a little wiry he's a wiry little guy tried to play football in high school but he just wasn't big enough he was about five six 132 pounds he wrestled that wow so not you're not looking at a five six hundred thirty two pound kid and going he's gonna be a body yeah cover of all these magazines he's gonna be enormous so he ended up being a high school wrestler wrestled at 130 whatever pounds very small weight guy um you know gets out of high school um and people like him too i mean craig people said he had a charming side to him yeah friendly they also said he's a bit manipulative knows how

to get people to do what he wants them to do which is a pattern the mark of a fucking crazy person in our 21st episode right here we are sensing a pattern yeah of manipulation and things of that nature is the first step to yeah to sociopathy what is it something like that they get what you're talking about into being a dick being a dick being a complete dickhole societal nudnik So he starts really getting into working out after high school. Starts getting a little ripped up. Then he finds, hmm, if I take

some steroids, I'll really get bigger. I'll get much bigger. Much bigger. Much faster. So he starts taking supplements and steroids. Within about three years, he has packed on almost 90 pounds at this point. Holy shit. He's a big cat like almost doubled his weight he basically first say the first like year and a half he gained like 40

pounds and a couple years later he put on another 45 pounds i mean he got to be a big big guy uh 1988 comes around he competes in his first bodybuilding competition 1988 npc houston bodybuilding championship so weird that when anybody chooses that as their past it's such an odd thing it's such a

weird thing I know a girl from high school that played soccer and she's a beautiful girl she's got

an hourglass figure and she recently became friends on Facebook and she is now into

bodybuilding and it's fucking weird to see her as like the soccer girl that was like very popular and everybody liked her and now she's like ripped up. It's so

weird. It's one thing to like be in the weightlifting and be into like looking good and bodybuilding but these people are like I am going to look so good that I'm going to get paid just for people to look at Right. Just I'll go to a place where there's a bunch of people gathered, I'll go on stage and say, look at my arm, and flex it.

In a thong with a giant number taped to the hip. People will clap politely, I'll walk off, and I'll get a paycheck for that somehow. Like, that's their, wow, all right. And a trophy. And a trophy. My neighbor is in the, he was in the Air Force, and he has since moved.

But he was in the Air Force at Luke Air Force Base, and I was, he lived across the street from me. He had a daughter who we came over for a birthday party, and upstairs they had a little area for the kids to play, so my son went up there, they were playing. I went up to check on them, and I walked past his bodybuilder. He's a bodybuilder, a big fucking guy. I didn't realize that he did competition.

I walked past his trophy case and it's the creepiest fucking thing in the world to see all these gold men ripped up in weird... It's like the gayest Oscars you've ever seen in your life. That's the Tonys. Yeah, and he's so

excited to tell you about them. These people are really into it. These people, you have to be from what we'll get into, you have to be 1000 are, they are really into it. And these people, you have to be, from what we'll get into, you have to be 1,000% into this to be into it. It has to be every second. You have to be thinking

about your exercise, your sleep, your food, your supplements, your roids, your workouts. Everything in your body from food to water

to oxygen. Everything you do. So his first competition here in Houston in 88, he comes in first in the middleweight and first overall. Wow. So he kills it. That's his first competition. His first competition here in Houston in 88, he comes in first in the middleweight and first overall. Wow.

He kills it. That's his first competition. His first competition, first place, everything. First in division, first overall. Sweeps it. Repeats that in 89, same competition. Wins first in his division, first overall in 89 in the Houston competition. Good God. Yeah, he goes on to 1990 where he wins first overall

in the NPC Western Cup competition, which I assume is like a Western United States. Takes first in that. So, I mean, he is... God, just right out of the gate, he's just knocking him out of the park.

He is, and he says, this is a good... We'll do it in our own words here right off the bat. This is about steroids. He says, quote, what supplement will work without steroids?

None of them. I can honestly i can honestly say i've used almost every steroid made at one time in my career wow and that's what we're dealing with here with this guy he is on a lot of shit and a lot of roids at all times jack to the gills and we actually have later on like a like a bodybuilder's steroid regimen from another bodybuilder that's around his area in weight class so we'll get into that it's kind of interesting if any of you guys really want to jack yourselves up we're going to tell you exactly how to do it stay tuned for that it's our own little anarchist cookbook here

so uh april 95 he's competing all through the early 90s he's he's coming in he's doing well too he's coming in you know third over here second over here first over here yeah he's doing i'm not going to go over 45 bodybuilding competitions that no one's ever heard of except for 12 people that are listening that read Flex magazine. We'll stick to, you know, generals here. So 1995 comes around. Apparently bodybuilding wasn't enough of a living for Craig.

And Craig, we're going to find, likes the drugs a little bit too. He's into that shit. Apparently bodybuilding didn't provide the lifestyle that he really needed because he's arrested in April 1995 in Louisiana and eventually pleads guilty to conspiracy to possess with the intent to distribute imported ecstasy tablets. Wow. So he's got a little ecstasy ring going on,

his own little ecstasy ring down in Louisiana. It's a Class 3 felony. That's not good. No, that's a big deal. You're dealing with something pretty stiff here. That usually gets time. Exactly, but I don't think he has anything big on the books yet because he's sentenced here to 16 months of in-house probation.

Wow, he really got off free. With the anklet and the whole deal in his house. But he's allowed to go to competition. He's allowed to, I guess, work because he's going all around. July of 1995, I mean, this was after this, Denver, Colorado. NPC USA Championships. He feels he should have won.

Feels wronged. The whole time they did the pre-judging. I guess they take a look at him the night before just to kind of whatever and then they fill it in the rest later. He's like, I got this. He's telling everyone there is no fucking way I'm not winning this. At all. It's, I am winning this. Well, comes to the time of the announcements.

They announce second place, and it's him. Uh-oh. They announce Titus. He rips the number off his chest. Wow. Or off his pants. Just fucking roid rages right there. Sulks, goes to the back, ticks a chair up and breaks it on the floor.

Wooden chair, busts off four legs off. Oh, that's so awesome. Throws it against the wall like a raged up Bobby Knight. You know what I mean? He's a crazy person. He starts freaking out. His friends and other bodybuilders are like, hey, God, dude, you can't be doing this. You're not allowed to walk off the stage.

You have to be up there for judging. You can't throw fits. Be an adult. Get back up there. Come on, man. You're going to get in trouble. And he's like, fuck this. I'm out of here.

He takes off, tells him no photos, no interviews. Eat a dick. I don't want to talk to anybody. Second place? Are you fucking out of your mind? Gone. I mean, he just snaps, man. So he's suspended for six months, including the Nationals.

He has suspended from flexing. That's awesome. From flexing. You're not allowed to come here. You keep your oil at home, mister. Keep your oiled up self away from our stage. Take your triceps and stick them up your ass. I picture him out in front of the building flexing, you know, on his own.

Just like, no, I should be in there. Just posing away all oiled up out there. It's like, it's Denver. It's like, it's July.

Keep your Johnson and Johnson at home. So later on in November, they have the Nationals and he's not allowed to compete in that, which he says he didn't want to anyway.

No. So they can go fuck themselves. He's ready to move on. Bigger and better shit, baby. Not dealing with this bullshit anymore. That's so awesome i can't believe he got suspended then 96 though he ends up doing the npc stuff again npc usa championship this is the overall he wins first heavyweight first well yeah they're terrified he's gonna break a bunch of chairs and people

and judges who knows so he wins the whole deal overall. He's the badass of the country. He's the prize in 96. Later on, he competes in Mr. Olympia's 2001. He's 12th in Mr. Olympia. Wow. 11th in Mr. Olympia 2002. So that was kind of toward the end of his career. But we'll get back to the mid-90s here.

Back to the 96. Funny story here. There's a lot of stories of him this guy does not take shit no greg titus he's known for it he's not good at just dealing he's known as like the pro wrestler of bodybuilding basically like that's what everybody calls him like he doesn't take shit he confronts people he gets in fights he talks shit about his competitors this fucking i've seen interviews where he's like this fucking guy thinks he's gonna win he's garbage look at his pecs like he reminds me of uh of of

ray mcneil yeah sally mcneil's beating up sally because your shoulders your shoulders are not developed enough sally back and check sally mcneil out if you if you're interested in this because it's a similar story except with a with a. That's hilarious that they could just nitpick a muscle. Yeah, look at that. I don't know. So anyway. You're still just a little round, sir. You need to fucking square those up.

This is a story from fellow bodybuilder Greg Kovacs, Kovach, whatever. He tells a story about hanging out with Titus, and apparently he said he's got a ton of stories. This is the first one. In 1996, he gets his pro card. I guess they're in Toronto where I think uh Kovacs is from because he said I'm from I'm from around here um they get to the airport uh they go uh they were at a strip club yeah Titus said take me to the strip club first and foremost which whatever they go to the strip club and uh

so apparently there's a group of guys, younger guys, they're in their 20s and they're talking shit about them. And they're especially, Kovacs is calling them a sane shit about boys.

Why would they do that? They're laughing at him, pointing at him, things like that. Because there's, I guess a bunch of them. I guess there's like 10, 12 of them. I don't give a fuck.

So they're ignoring it and I guess Titus is not ignoring it much. No. But the Greg Kovacs guy is like, ah, whatever, you know what I mean? But Titus is like, like okay i guess these guys go to leave and titus says

titus pays the bill quick and he says run outside go start the car and wait for me bad sign right there when somebody says that you know are you gonna rape a girl are you gonna punch out the dj are you gonna go knock out 14 dudes so he ended up he pays the tab a guy runs out to the truck titus follows these group of guys out and i guess the one guy who's doing the most talking was kind of straggling in the back so he said hey come here for a second and he brings the guy over this is titus brings the guy over he says hey why the fuck were you talking to my friend back there why don't you have shit to say about him now what were you saying that was so important you know pussy and

the guy apparently right away said no i don't know what you're talking about yeah he's got this monster and from a distance somebody that's jacked doesn't, I mean, you can tell that they're big, but when they get close to you, especially a guy like him, he's enormous. He just won a national bodybuilding overall heavyweight. He's 265 pounds of, he's 5'8".

Yeah. You're 5'8", aren't you? And if I was that, I'm 180 pounds of he's 5'8 you're 5'8 aren't you? and if I was that, I'm 180 pounds of soggy shit I'd love to be 190 of solid, 265 forget it, it's like tacking a little girl onto you, just like a small woman

he's got a coffee can for a neck oh it's ridiculous so I guess this guy starts thinking better of the situation and saying, I didn't say anything. Listen, I don't want to get hit by you. Craig decides to bitch slap him. That's the only way to do it.

Fuck yeah. He starts paint brushing him, I guess. Slaps the guy to the ground. And at that point, his dozen or so friends start running over with knives and baseball bats and shit. If you don't have a gun get in your car and get the fuck out of there oh craig so greg kovacs in the car apparently he hears a banging on the roof next thing you know he looks back and craig titus is in the pickup part of his truck let's go move it with an angry mob of guys forks and yeah looking like from the outsiders a

bunch of greasers with like chains and fucking knives and shit chasing after him. Just a disaster. Somebody's got a mace. But this is the type of guy we're dealing with. He does not take shit. He talks some shit from a distance in a club and he's going to fucking have a talk with you afterwards. And he doesn't give a shit how undersized he is in height. He makes up for it because he's 5'8 tall, but he's also 5'8 fucking wide.

That's the thing, too. You know that he probably has a chip on his shoulder about that. Yeah, absolutely. He's a big guy. It doesn't feel good to be 5'8, I promise. So this guy, so now we get to 1997. He fails a drug test for his probation. Oh, God.

For the whole... For the ecstasy. Oh, and that shit. Yeah, yeah. Fails the drug test for steroids, and he's also found in possession of some steroids, too. I guess once he fails a test, they search his car, his house, whatever. That makes sense. They find some steroids.

That's completely legit. Sentenced to 21 months in federal prison for that little escapade there. Almost two years in federal prison. Federal. That's real. He's in deep shit at that point. They tell you when to eat. They tell you when to sleep. They tell you when to sleep.

They tell you if it's okay if you can shit. So his bodybuilding resume has a little bit of a gap. A small 21-month gap. And there's a bigger gap later on. Later on it's going to get major. He's released from prison in April of 99. Released from federal prison. Gets right back into the bodybuilding scene.

Obviously this is what he does for a living. He had time in the prison to fucking work out, and I guarantee he did that. No roids, probably. Yeah, yeah. Probably had a hard time getting the roids in there. You had to do it natural with bologna and... Stick a few things in.

Yeah. Yeah, he's back to tip-top shape at the time. He meets Kelly Ryan in 1999, okay? They meet. Kelly Ryan, we'll get into her. She's a very pretty young girl at this point gorgeous girl craig is pretty aggressive with her first few times craig asks her out she refuses because she knows his reputation and she's training to be a laker girl too that's the other thing and well

he just got out of prison yeah yeah he just got out of federal prison she's into the whole fitness world he was in federal prison for drugs yeah ecstasy and then and then steroids and all that so she's a little leery of him but he's persistent and like we said he knows how to get you to do what he wants to do like all these guys he knows how to do it eventually she agrees to go out with him of course unbelievable worst mistake of her life yeah um so she yeah she's a gymnast at this point a really good one really good she studied apparently there's a legendary coach named bella caroli which sounds like i don't know, it sounds like a makeup, like someone with a makeup line, I feel like.

They also coach gymnastics, apparently. She led dance and cheerleading squads at the University of South Carolina. Right, she was a game cop. Her friend said she's always the captain of every team. She's just good at everything. Very successful, outgoing, personality, physically. Personality plus.

Everything. She walks into a room and she captivates everybody. Everything. Yeah. Yeah, she's training to be a Laker girl. Right.

That's her dream. That's her dream. Until she sees a fitness competition. Yep. It's female fitness competitions which are kind of like bodybuilding but not like

bodybuilding. Right. Because they're like in shape but they're not like flexing flexing. They're not like they're not Sally McNeil. Right. They're not muscled out. Right. They they're like in shape but they're not like They're not like They're not Sally McNeil. Right.

They're not muscled out. Right. They're like they do like routines where they like do gymnastics and show how strong they are. They'll like show how flexible and strong. It's just I'm the most

fitness-y woman in I'm the most All around. fitness-y woman in the land basically. So in 1995 she does her first competition. She places first in her competition here in the 1995 they got something in common 1995 npc south carolina competition so yeah they

have something in common these these that so that's she's good he's good uh 98 she wins fitness america national title wow so i mean she's hot. Then she meets him in 99. The two of them. So this is something we haven't done yet. No. In this story, there are two people who are the tops of their sport. Yeah. This episode is titled Craig Titus, and it's about Craig Titus, but it is about... It's a lot about Miss Ryan as well.

It's at least 40% about Kelly Ryan here, his wife here. So, yeah, we'll get into this okay so um anyway yeah so they meet at by the way her nickname is flying ryan yeah i remember hearing that that's hysterical ryan somebody was real clever so they meet at a competition like i said uh they meet at a competition together he persists they go out um they meet in panama beach florida yep at a bodybuilding competition now this is when another girl comes into the equation okay i'm sorry this she meets this girl at panama beach okay florida the girl in militia melissa james enters the equation in 99 also this is when they just first get together and all this now greg is a ladies man yes he is

he fancies himself a ladies man he's always up with the ladies he's always screwing around yeah all the guys know that he gets in a fight with a fellow bodybuilder we're getting into later because the guy thinks he was hitting on his girlfriend that sort of thing uh so he meets her uh he tries to get with her and eventually she gets into it because she kind of looks up to him a little bit because she's younger he's like a big shot in the whole deal and he's got a name

to him yeah he's got a name and they have a little affair in Florida they fuck around a little bit you know what I mean and Craig encourages

her to move to Vegas he's like I'm going to get my side chick to come to my hometown at this point he's living in Vegas and the next year he marries

Ryan he marries her in July of 2000 at the Little White Chapel in Vegas. Yeah, that famous one. This story is white trash already. It's getting white trash here, guys. Married at the Little White... Fucking Florida's involved.

There's going to be some white trash. I think Elvis got married here. Isn't that right? Isn't there a poster that Elvis got married here? So the couple settles in Vegas. They want to open gyms in Vegas. They're local celebrities here whole time he's trying to get melissa james to move out there with him um at this point this

is really funny too there's a youtube video that i found of craig in the stands at one of uh at one of ryan's uh fitness competitions where it was like clear that she won and she came in second and they show the stage of them announcing her second and then they cut to him in the stands and he's just like you gotta be fucking kidding me jesus christ what the this is bullshit right right right and there's people i mean he's like you gotta be fucking kidding me He's losing his mind in the stands. That's my wife, god damn it. Yeah, so he's protective. He wants her to win here. So, yeah, they're married.

Now, Kelly is very successful in Vegas, too. After they get married, she's coaching. She's doing appearances. She's got product endorsements. That's great. She's got endorsements. I mean, they're doing well. That's a big deal.

Her appearance fee that she demands at this point is $2,500 to $3,500 wow for an appearance just to show up just to show up to talk some shit to do whatever they want so I mean

that's she's doing well that's some good money Craig's fee was $5,000 wow he won't even walk in the door

for less than $5,000 that's amazing for having muscles for having a fucking because he's muscly a huge neck yeah for having bicep

for looking like a volkswagen the guy gets five grand to show up i can i want that so bad so do i so i don't want to work out that no no no just to do jokes i don't want to yeah i don't know that i want to spend much time that kind of time doing much of anything no i couldn't do that i really could i do not have the commitment to really throw myself into one thing like that. Stand-up, I can do that. Not even that, though, because you're here. Yeah, that's a good point.

We're doing this. You're recording. You can't do this if you're a bodybuilder. Staring at each other, right. Everything has to be into that. There are no dates. Yeah, there's no dates. There's no nothing.

It's just all day every day. Have a romantic night down at Gold's. Yeah, that's what it is. We'll count our calories. We'll share a protein shake. We'll have a bunch of protein. We'll really load up on We'll share a protein shake. We'll have a bunch of protein and really load up on carbs so we can hit the...

We'll put two straws in my chocolate protein. I don't know if that's what you do to work out because I don't fucking work out. This... We are the guys that... I don't know if you know anything

about bodybuilding but we'll tell you up front we don't know shit about bodybuilding. Nothing. Nothing. I am 6'4". I weigh 195 pounds.

I'm a thin guy. Jimmy, you are 5'8". I'm a dumpy 5'8". You don't look like you're going to compete in a Mr. Olympia anytime soon. No offense. That's not happening. Maybe you'll get on the right supplements. I'm not sure.

So at this point, with all this income coming in, they buy a nice house, like a half-million-dollar house in Vegas. I saw it. It's beautiful. It's got a patio on top with double doors entering it from two different rooms and over 3 000 square feet they have a gym and theater three car garage it's gorgeous keep their cars including a uh he has a big dodge viper yeah which is a big douche truck big dude it's just you know it has nuts hanging off the back of it they have the viper trucks aren't the lifted ones they're the ones that are like kind of lowered and they sit on 22s and it

has a viper v10 motor in it that is fast as the day is long it's so fucking fast so he's got that and she has a red jaguar that she loves that car's gonna be such a tool i know we're gonna have to come back to that red jaguar in a moment because it comes up pretty big. They have essentially because that truck's about 50 to 60 grand. That car's probably 60. So you're talking about $120,000 worth of cars and a half million

dollar house. They're living nice. They're doing really well. And they are living it up too, socially. Partying like crazy. Huge parties. Every time they won a fucking competition they partied like fucking huge parties every time they won a fucking competition they partied like fucking rock stars

even if they didn't win oh is that right they were just yeah it was like if they got a good endorsement or like a good appearance they'd have a party they both have an endorsement

on the same day they've got $8,500 they're like let's throw a party and these were known as like sex and drug parties these are like the party you want to go to

if you're in the 11th grade. You're like, oh, they got drugs and sex there. This is the best. Tommy's parents are out of town. Let's go get some coke. It's an orgy going on. They're having, there's cocaine, there's Oxy, cotton, all sorts of pills at these parties. They're doing shit.

Everybody's fucking everyone. It sounds really gross. Yeah. Everybody all oiled up. You know, it's just all oiled up fitness people. They don't eat all they eat is like their farts smell horrible probably lots of broccoli and fucking cabbage plus they they they shit like nine times a day these people they're that bathroom's probably

just smoking there's smoke they take breaks in between fucking to go shit gross man i don't want i don't want to walk in on that so they start spending too much money obviously on all their shit but they're hustlers man they hustle that's one thing about these guys they will work they'll go out they'll hustle they'll open up a new business they'll go start a new revenue stream they'll find something she'll start coaching more people they're badasses when it comes to that they're smart uh another kelly's friend here said about her quote kelly is a type of person that can succeed at anything if she opened a popsicle stand it would be the best-selling popsicle stand anyone had ever seen so that's how everyone feels

about kelly she can just do no wrong business acumen she knows what she's doing now here's a great story from this time period from a gentleman named chris real deal cormier yeah apparently i don't know if he does not know the existence of evander holyfield or he's just not see this is the same with gorilla pimp everything else don't make name yourself no i'm the real somebody else do it yeah so anyway this is from a 2011 interview where he talked about this time period and he said he was friends with titus and titus was just he said 100 all the time hot head just always two seconds away from snapping flying off the handle breaking up a chair and flipping it against the wall like bobby knight he's a lunatic right so this is an incident that

happened at gold's gym this is the first of a couple that we're going to hear about at gold's gym and a bunch of the work a bunch of these bodybuilder guys that all know each other were sitting around shooting the shit at Gold's Gym. Yeah. It's like comics. They're sitting around at an open mic or something. Busting balls. Busting balls at a comedy club.

And the guys, I love some of the guys that were in attendance, by the way. Here's a couple of names that are normal. Then we get into some funny ones. Here we have, this is Chris Real Deal Cormier. Greg Titus is here. Paul Dillett, a man named Melvin Anthony, who will come back later on. We'll find out about him later on. A guy named

Rico McClinton, which sounds like a total dirtbag. He just sounds like a dirtbag. Sounds like he's giving herpes to like nine girls. He sounds like he'd give your sister chlamydia. You know what I mean? Like, fucking Rico McClinton gave my sister fucking chlamydia, man. God damn it.

Bastard. Fucking Rico. He gave your sister chlamydia? Shit. We gotta stop this guy. And then finally a man named Flex Wheeler. Oh, Christ. Which is like if someone wrote a terrible movie and they had a bodybuilding character,

they'd be like, we'll call him Flex Wheeler. If Flex is still alive today, he definitely has an 80s fucking wave for haircut. Flex Wheeler. He's got a fucking nasty tan constantly. This is amazing. So, apparently, there's another guy there named Flex Wheeler. That's my favorite name in the whole story. Hey, Flex, come here.

How did he get the name Flex? Just some name. Yeah, yeah. Out of everyone in the community. He's like, I'm fucking Flex, buddy. And how did the movie Over the Top miss that name? How did they not have somebody in there named Flex Wheeler? That's probably where they got it from.

Or like Roadhouse. Yeah, some bullshit fucking... No Holds Barred with Hulk Hogan. I think that's the second guy tiny Zeus Lister fought was Flex Wheeler at the factory. Fucking great. So apparently there's another man there named Arnie List, another bodybuilder from that time period. And also this guy says he was a real good guy, always placed top five at national shows. So he's no chump, this Arnie List.

Apparently Craig and Arnie had gone into a business together in the past. And it went awry, went a little sideways. And apparently rumor has it that Craig stole money from the situation. Craig owed money to Arnie for this whole situation. That's what everyone knows and thinks. So after a while, they're all sitting around. Arnie just, in front of everybody, bursts out to Craig and says, you know, when are you going to give me my money?

Oh, shit. Craig is pissed off. Confrontation. Yeah, he doesn't like to be. And he makes me, you're going to embarrass me? Yeah. You're going to embarrass me in front of my friends? So he said, he yelled at him, he said, contact my lawyer, which is an odd thing to say in

an argument with another bodybuilder in a gym. In front of everybody? Like, hey, fuck you, pal. He goes, contact my lawyer. What year is it? Somebody get me another 45 plate. Wow. So they start arguing.

They start getting in each other's faces after that. All the guys back away because they're like, I don't want to be in between these two lunatics. These two giant fucks. Especially Titus the type of guy to who's known to just throw a punch on a limb so you don't you want to stay out of the line of fire here it's gonna look like the hulk and superman in that fucking movie where they throw each other against cars and just smash and shit yeah transformers beating each other up so craig eventually calms down after the confrontation he goes look man i'll pay you i'll pay you your money he other up so i craig eventually calms down and after the confrontation he goes look man i'll pay you i'll pay you your money he tells him so i mean he's trying to he

goes look i'll pay you i'll pay you arnie loses his shit at this point arnie gets in his face and says motherfucker you won't pay me that's a pipe dream just like the pipe dream of you being mr olympia it isn't gonna happen oh my god that's the line that's it that's the line and the guy in the art the real deal in the article guy the guy who wrote a cormier says that you make fun of a guy's pocketbook you can fuck with his head you can tell him he's a deadbeat yeah you start making fun of his what he's his aspirations and what he's trying to do you're asking for that's the comedy equivalent of saying you're not funny that's yeah you don't yeah you're never gonna get you think you're gonna get

booked here for fucking weekends you're never gonna get that's not happening you're going to get booked here for fucking weekends? You're never going to get booked. That's not happening. You're going to be doing weekday shit. You're a loser. Yeah. So Craig fucking Dexon. He hauls off, punches him in the cheek. So these are two big ass guys. He punches him in the cheek, I guess opens up a big cut on his cheek. I feel like there was a big boom. Like when it hit, there was no smack. You know when little guys get hit, there's like a smack from the flat palm.

This probably sounds like a watermelon. Yeah. Like you're getting a watermelon. get hit there's like a smack from the from the flat pump yeah like you're getting a watermelon so apparently after that Craig goes fucking WWF on him and fucking

hip tosses him like nice got up on a rack and superfly splashed him he did hip toss him no superfly splash he hip tosses him gets on top of him starts working him over I guess Arnie's girlfriend jumps in the mix and starts going crazy people start calling the cops at this point. Now the cops are going to come. The bodybuilders go, start looking at their watches going, it's getting late.

I don't want to talk to the cops. So they all fucking quit. I got a couple of testosterone loaded spikes in my fucking duffel. They're in possession of all these guys. They're like, I'm going to get going now. You guys, I got to be up early in the morning. You got Deca in your glove box. I've got it in mine. Let's get the fuck out of here.

So they take off. Huge mess. This is another one here we'll get into. So yeah, I'm sorry. Cormier says, quote,

about this. Cormier says, quote, Craig always had a hot head and would mouth off at any time. It's really not a good quality to have.

Look where it landed, the guy. Cormier really kind of nailing him there um he also said that uh this is what i'll tell you about the roid regiment because cormier says it in this article he says that pros don't spend that much time getting ready for shows yeah they are just always like that they keep themselves pretty much at tip-top shape all the time just stay woke at all times here is a that he said this is a what he called a list from a competitor yeah of his and he said it's pretty typical of what guys are on all the time so listen up at home if you're interested in getting on a regimen of some type and you know how to get these drugs because i don't uh you take humastrope i don't know what that is four to six i use i don't know what that is either but i'm sure you'll figure it out if you can find humast I don't know what that is. 4 to 6 IUs.

I don't know what that is either, but I'm sure you'll figure it out if you can find Humastrope. You know what the fuck that is. You know the measurement. Take that every other day. Sustanin, you take 1,000 to 1,500 milligrams per week. Maturon, you take 100 milligrams every other day.

Winstroll, which I've heard of actually. Baseball players took that. You take 100 milligrams every other day starting a few weeks before the show. So I guess that's one to kind of really... I don't know if it's like a fat cutter or what that does. Clenbuterol, which sounds like a bad food additive.

That sounds like something that helps you quit smoking. Sounds like something that gives you anal leakage like a potato chip that you don't want. Ah, this has clenbuterol in it. I don't want this. My underwear will be terrible. Sounds like a GM yeah it's not so 25 i don't know what mcg is micrograms i i don't know what that is mcg of that every day all right and then you take cinnamal cinnamal you take 50 mcgs every day and then he said plus he would do like other exotics as he called it which are like different things for fat

cutters. This is what I mean. That sounds like a lot of shit to be thinking about. You have to be a chemistry professor to be in the sport. I mean, this is insane. It takes less chemicals to make math. Yeah, you can make math easier. You can probably make more money. Guys, put the weights down.

Get some math. Start cooking it up. Cook it up, guys. Let's go. Jesus Christ, you lazy fucks. Watch yourself some Brigham Bad and get it in gear. No shit. I mean, and Titus is a huge guy. He's featured at this point, too. Like I said, if you've been to a grocery store, he was featured on over 100 covers of bodybuilding magazines.

Over 100. So, I mean, he's there, man. So, you probably think he's there, man. You've probably seen a bunch of magazines and you think there's a bunch of these ripped guys no there's just fucking one

and he's just on every fucking magazine because he's only 5'8 when you're that short you can really look ripped you know what I mean like Arnold Schwarzenegger the reason why

that was so amazing is because he's 6'4 you can't look big when you're 6'4 you look long you know what I mean so 5'8 is what you want to be for this it's hard to get wide at the same time at 6'4". Right. He's huge. You can't look big when you're 6'4". You look long. Right. You know what I mean? So 5'8 is what you want to be. It's hard to get wide at the same time.

At 6'4". Yeah. So you have to take, imagine the steroids Schwarzenegger was on to get that. Right. Holy shit. To get that big? Jesus. He said what he was on.

It was a lot. So here's another tale of Gold's Gym. There's another story of Gold's Gym here. Melvin Anthony, who we brought up earlier. Apparently, he's a 290 pounder too. He's a big cat, dude. He's a big guy. Apparently he accused Titus

of hitting on his girlfriend. And Titus was leaving the gym and Anthony was coming in and he saw that Melvin was pissed and Melvin Anthony was like, hey, and he confronted him. And Titus said, I don't know what you're talking about.

I didn't hit your girlfriend. And Titus says in this, this is from an interview from him, he goes, look man, you know, I'll fuck around. Everybody knows that.

But I wasn't interested in his girlfriend. A very well-known coxswain and that bitch was not one that I wanted. Not what I'm after, really. So anyway, he said he thought that Melvin Anthony felt like he was in danger of being hit.

So he said, and Titus made sense here. He said, this is the type of fight where you want to get the first punch in. When you're dealing with guys that big. He's a behemoth. Yeah, a guy that's 290 socks you.

You're shit out of luck. These are two Tyrannosaurus Rexes going at it. Yeah, so he said he just clobbered him right in the forehead. Nice. Right in the forehead. He said he went down, he jumped on top of him. It was quickly broken up

because it was right in the front. Thank God. This is like right in the front where people are coming in and out. This wasn't like in a back room like the other fight where it could go un-messed with for a while. And he's on the ground. They're doing the ground and pound. If you miss and hit the floor, you're going to break up our time.

Oh, God. Yeah, these two. It's ridiculous. These two. Imagine these two behemoths fighting. I can't. You have to almost like spray water on them like cats. Like, spit it out.

Idiots. Stop that. I'm not going to get involved in that. That's hilarious. Like, cut it out. You idiot. Stop that. You're not going to get involved in that. That's hilarious. Just put pee in a water bottle. Stop. Spraying it with vinegar. Yeah.

Go, go. So in 2002, he starts promoting post-event parties. He's going to live up to that lifestyle of 1,800 people show up at his first party. Holy shit. So he's doing a good job. Where's it at? These are in Vegas and other cities. Is there some showroom?

Yeah, I guess they're after competition parties. There'll be a big expo or competition. A ballroom or something? He'll throw the big after party, basically. And he's making dough off of that, too. He's doing well. July 2003, and he did this up until November 2005, and we'll tell you why he stopped a little bit. He writes

a monthly column in Muscular Development Magazine. Wow. Which I am a loyal subscriber to. You might imagine. Been a subscriber since the womb. Got lots of them sitting next to my toilet. When I was like six my parents bought me a subscription to Highlights Magazine and Muscular Development

Magazine. At this point Melissa James is going back and forth to Vegas. This is the girl he met in Panama Beach that we were talking about, that he had a little affair with. He's amazing. Yeah. This guy's a pimp. He's like a plate spinner.

He's got a lot of plate spinning for a while here. Sheeg is going back and forth from Panama City, or from Florida where she lives to Vegas. There's a lot of bodybuilding shit going on in Vegas and she's involved with Kelly Ryan and Craig Titus. She's working as their assistant when she goes out there. She's helping out with bodybuilding events. She gets them jobs there.

They get her jobs there. And she's paying her, or they're paying her. They're paying her for her work and stuff like that. So they invite her to live out there. They tell her, the couple, Craig and Kelly, say, come on, Melissa, move out to Las Vegas. We'll help you get set up. You can stay with us until you get set up. You can be our assistant.

Sleep on our couch and shit. Yeah, we'll get you set up, get you on your feet. Because she liked Vegas. She told her mom, Melissa James, called her mom and told her how much she loved Vegas and she wanted to live there. So, I mean, she really liked it there. She moves into their home. You know, she has her own room

started out just hanging out sleeping on the couch they gave her her own room set her up that's so nice Kelly the whole time Kelly Ryan

is a little jealous of this whole scenario likely she should be that's fucking amazing when you're married could you even fathom like bringing

never never imagine that setup no I don't want to and this place in James is attractive too yeah they're both gorgeous they're both he has two Could you even fathom, like, bringing a... Never. Never. Imagine that setup. No. I don't want to. And this Melissa James is attractive, too. Yeah. They're both gorgeous.

They're both... He has two, and they're both highly competitive, attractive women. So, I mean, this is a recipe for disaster. And he's banging both of them openly in his house. Recipe for disaster. It's incredible. And also, too, later on, he admits to the FBI that they had threesomes, and they were kind of having a three triangle

situation. That's crazy. And I don't know why that doesn't come out more because he said that to the FBI. Yeah. I saw the like I saw the interview. That should just be like a red flag for anybody. Yeah. They're like I don't know why this whole thing happened. That's a start. Yeah. That's a start. I don't know how there can be conflict.

Fighting over one dick. It's almost like if you just if I look down on that scenario I I'd go, someone's going to die. Someone's going to end up dead. Just based on the shit I've seen over the years. No one can survive that. No, no. Especially with everyone's on steroids and drugs. And Melissa James was also very much into drugs.

She dug drugs. She was into it. She loved coke and shit like that. She liked coke. And then nobody denied that. Even her friends had loved her and said how great person she was. Yeah, she loved Coke and shit like that. She liked Coke. And then nobody denied that. Even her friends had loved her and said how great person she was. Yeah. She did her things on the side.

She's a young girl fucking around parties. Yeah. A single girl. Living in Vegas. Doesn't have any kids or anything. Right. She's having a ball. Whatever.

Do your thing, Melissa. Right. So, although she probably would have wished she didn't after a while. Yeah. So, at this point, yeah, she's working as their assistant. She's very much into drugs. 2003 comes around. She moves back to Florida at this point, and she starts up a dance company, Melissa James.

It's called the Encore Dance Company. While in Florida, life is not going great for Melissa James. No. She's arrested numerous times in Florida for bad checks and using people's credit cards without their authorization. Shit like that. Yeah. Melissa is not on the up and up here. for bad checks and using people's credit cards without their fucking authorization. Shit like that. Yeah. Melissa is not on the up and up here.

She's the girl that likes her Coke. She's the type of girl that would sleep with a married man. And his wife. Right. And maybe live in the house for a while and think that was okay. Maybe do some Coke. We get to 2005. Craig competes in his last competition ever in 2005.

Not of his own volition. It's the Iron Man competition, 2005. He finishes sixth in that. That's the last time he'll ever compete because shit starts to get a little bit wacky here. 2005, Melissa James' dance studio goes out of business in Florida. So now she's got these charges and she's been passing bad checks. So when the studio was open, she wasn't doing very well financially, obviously. She's got a little bit of a drug problem, a legal problem. She's got no money. Now she's got no business.

Right. Way of making money. Titus and Ryan tell her to move back to Vegas. They said, come on, we'll help you get back on your feet. Why the hell not? You can work for us till you get your shit together. Blah, blah, blah. She moves back into the house. Extra giant meat to stab. And especially because Titus and Ryan are opening a new business. And they said, we really need your help with this. They're opening a fitness wear store. Right. And they were in the process at this time of ordering the clothes and ordering the merchandise.

Use your help. They needed her help in the setup and whatever. We need a new hand around here. Somebody we can trust. Right. So James calls her mother every day. Melissa James calls every day saying how exciting everything was. She was just very into everything.

This new store is such an exciting venture. She's really excited about this. She's having fun. She's great. Craig, at this point, all the friends say is there's a tension with the girls. There's a competition thing, unsaid, and Craig's enjoying it. Of course he is. He's sitting back thinking, yeah, he's like a pimp.

He's got two hot chicks that are fighting over his dick. Who wants to be my bottom bitch. That's amazing. That's what he's doing. He's an asshole, this guy. He's behaving like a single guy that's like, these chicks are vying for his marriage. You're already married to one of them, asshole. You can't do this.

Go hang out with her. You've already chosen one. Yeah. Dumb shit. You can hang out with her in the garage or something. I don't fucking know. Set her up with one of your buddies and stop fucking around. Yeah, you have a bunch of jacked up buddies.

Right. You got a wife. You marry a woman so that you always have sex. Yeah. I mean, you marry them for multiple reasons, but that's one of them.

Note to Jimmy's wife. If you're ever wondering why you're married right now, Jimmy just told you. Your marriage is, that's your, that's the plan. You fuck her. You fuck her only, and now you've moved this other one in, that's the plan. You fuck her.

You fuck her only. And now you've moved this other one in and now you've created a fucking problem. I get where he's coming from. Listen. Jesus Christ, dude. Every man on earth gets where he's coming from. No, you just don't even do that.

You just don't do it. And honestly, too, who has the energy for that? No, fuck. Who has the energy for that? Jesus. And I don't mean like a hacky joke. Who has the energy to have sex with two girls? It's not even that.

Who has the energy to deal with two human beings? Right. And not just two human beings. Two women. Let's be honest. Two super competitive, coked up fucking fitness models. Go away. In between you going to the gym.

Oh, they're perky. Here's the other thing. They're like real estate agencies. You're right. He's in his 30s. Yeah. He's going to the gym constantly. He's working out like crazy.

He doesn't have the energy for this shit. You don't have the fucking energy. No, but he's liking it. And he loves it. And so as the year progresses as 2005 progresses melissa james starts telling her mother she's not so excited anymore she's getting uncomfortable it's falling apart the couple's fighting all the time and she's in the middle of it and it's probably half about her even if it's not specifically stated to be about her so there's's an issue there. So she's not really liking it. Things are going weird.

This is late fall of 2005. Then we get to December 2005. It's December 14th. Christmas time. Early morning. Oh, you can hear carolers. It's beginning to look a lot. But we're in Vegas,

so it's not looking like Christmas at all. It's still looking like June, and it's fucking miserable. Everything's dead. We get to the early morning hours. We're talking 4 o'clock in the morning on December 14, 2005, outside of Vegas on State Route 160. A truck driver's driving.

That's a two-lane road. That's a two-lane road. And he sees, fly by him in succession, a red Jaguar. Uh-oh. Remember the red Jaguar? Someone we know has a red Jaguar. That's a really nice car. And just a nondescript gray pickup truck.

Okay? Follow him. And they pass him, whip around him, going really fast. And he said they looked like they were attached to each other. Oh, nice. Like one was towing the other. It looked like they were going so close together. And they passed him on the road. two cars pass you lying they've got to be

moving yeah four o'clock in the morning i mean he's probably doing around the speed limit i just want to get thick and he's a trucker these guys are going he's doing 65 they're doing at least 90 minimum so a minute later he comes he goes down the road and he sees the gray pickup truck pull out of the desert yeah and fly said the car the gray pickup truck almost hit him pulling back onto the road gets going and then he sees 30 seconds later in his rear view he sees a big fire going on there's a big fireball in the desert just raging raging so he's like jesus what the hell's going on this poor trucker calls it in right uh the the he reports the thing the fire department this this old guy uh chief draper his name one fucking guy this guy was great i saw an interview with him

he's just this old guy he's like the fire chief in the middle of the desert and he's just like yeah i didn't even tell the other guys about it i took the little truck i went out there i put it out on my own because i see it 10 times a dozen times a year people just for the insurance they take the cars out there they set them on fire that's awesome it's common you know whatever he goes so i do that he's like you know it happens all the time so he goes i go out there and i put it out and he's like what's the big deal and i'm poking around the car just to make sure you know whatever he goes i move a cushion and i see a red jacket and an arm. Oh, God. I was, oh, okay, now we got a problem. So he calls it in to the police, obviously.

Thank God he's a good person. Yeah, well, he's a fire chief, poor guy in the desert. At least he did. That's the thing. At least the story didn't take an even more awkward term than, like, you know, the fire chief rapes the corpse. Rapes the fucking corpse. With our stories, you never know. You never know.

You really never know. Thank God this guy, this is the one person in Vegas that's on the up and up. There's a corpse raping around the corner at any time, guys. Crime and sports where there's a corpse raping around the corner at all times. Tell your friends. Holy shit. Jesus Christ. So the cops get there.

Police get there. The body is so badly burned, they can't even tell, make heads or tails of it. Wow. All they can tell is that they believe it's a female based on the jewelry that it's wearing. Okay. Looks like something a female would wear. And a female owns that car. And it's very tiny, the body, too. It's a small body, and not very tiny

like a child, but it's obviously not a full grown man. Small in stature, right. It's definitely not... If it is a man, it's a very, very old man. They believe it to be a female. They get the plate number of the of the car which because the plate's still on the car burned up but they can still make out the plate number and they it comes back to kelly ryan yeah they see there's a woman owns this car woman in the trunk that's probably kelly ryan right so they assume kelly ryan's dead in the back of the truck in the back of the trunk of the car at this point which we all do right now and absolutely in this story kelly ryan's fucking dead right okay so that morning three homicide detectives go to the titus ryan

home right and knock on the door and they're expecting to be telling someone that their wife mother whoever is dead you know what i mean and our door opens guess who answers kelly ryan kelly ryan hi officers how you doing and they're like first of all like fuck all righty well that's And our door opens. Guess who answers it? Kelly Ryan. Kelly Ryan. Hi, officers. How you doing? And they're like, first of all, like, all righty. Well, that's curveball number one. Didn't expect that one. So they're confused there.

She doesn't act surprised at all to see them. She acts like it's all good. She said, I was just about to call you guys. Thank God you guys are here, homicide detectives. My car got stolen last night. Can you guys file a report for me, homicide detectives? My car that's what there's a body in it my goodness i would have never thought she said she went to bed that last night you know she's a went to bed early get her beauty sleep yeah wake up early went down to the garage car's gone what the hell happened next thing you know

you're at my door this explains it okay good story easy to go right they tell her your body's there's a body in her trunk and whatever so uh out of nowhere the police or kelly uh kelly ryan here tells the police about melissa james all out of nowhere they didn't even know melissa james existed they had no idea who that was no clue who it was and she just said yeah uh you know melissa Melissa James is our assistant I don't know if she was trying to I don't know what she was trying to do but it was stupid whatever she was trying to

she's just trying to show them she's like look I'll do your job for you we have an assistant she disappeared I don't know if she thought that they knew that the assistant disappeared or that they knew that she was there I don't know what she thought I'll bet she assumed that they had already ID'd the body. Possibly.

But they thought it was her. They were like, wow, we thought it was you. That's so weird that you're talking to us right now, giving us a full story of what happened to your car. She is saying maybe Melissa stole her car because she says that the day before they had a fight, Melissa was on drugs

and that they suspected Melissa had used their credit cards, which she had a history of doing. So, you know, whatever. And also that money from the house had gone missing. So, you know, she said they confronted her. It all fits. So they confronted Melissa James the day before. And they said, look, we can't use you anymore and they said that they paid for a hotel for her for two days

for Melissa James and bought her a plane ticket back to Florida. Now right away the cops are like why would you do that? If this person's stealing from you why wouldn't you just

boot him out and say go fuck yourself? It's not a normal thing to do. Yeah go suck dick for five dollars. How about be pissed for a minute? Yeah no they said Why do you have so much compassion for someone that stole from you?

It was a very odd thing. So, anyway, Craig tells them, Craig Titus tells them that he picked Melissa up on the morning of the 13th, the day before, picked her up from the motel to take her back to the house to get the rest of her belongings,

and Kelly said that she then dropped off and dropped melissa off at a nearby convenience store hasn't seen her since no idea have a nice day officers that's the that's the deal um they tell her they think that possibly james broke back into the home and stole the car that's what they said that's their story so you know who knows what she did after that she's on she's a she's a drug addict she probably went out fucked with somebody's money you know yeah she's in a that's how you end up in the trunk of a car it's on fire you do all that shit so um they have no idea how she could have died that's beyond you know it's crazy she's dead um didn't and they also said they knew nothing about the gray pickup

truck yep and the cops could see it's one of those garages with the windows above the cops looked in and they could see uh his pickup there, which is not a gray pickup truck. It's a very distinctive Dodge Viper pickup truck, as you described. You can tell. That ain't a normal pickup truck. You wouldn't say a normal gray pickup truck if you saw that thing. It's got a fucking spoiler on it. It's ridiculous.

Things are ridiculous. It's a tiny dick mobile. It's like as if your steroid body didn't already say right look please don't look at my tiny yeah now you have a truck my shoulders not my 400 horsepower uh so yeah they they see that they have uh police at this point still don't even know who the body is they don't even know the body's melissa james at this point they're just whatever they're trying to put it together it's almost like they're trying to put an excuse before it's there right they should have just waited until they said it was melissa james and then said that figures that she was on my car like they were trying to set it up a little

too a little too helpful way too quick that's way too quick to be fucking sherlock holmes too helpful is one of the things that police actually look at for killers if they're guilt or not a little too they look for not helpful at all and to help right those two you want to stay middle yeah it's like when they're interviewing someone they they go, if they blink too much, they don't blink enough. It's like, what is there? You can't win, basically. You son of a bitch. Basically, if we think they're guilty, we're going to find their blinks to be at the wrong place.

And meanwhile, the body, fuck unrecognizable. The arms were burned off. Oh, yeah. The feet were burned off. Burned up good. They had no fingerprints to go off. This is just a fucking, it's a body with no hands and feet.

And, well, and now, the next day, that day, here goes the curveball. Well, the 14th, this next morning, Maura James,

who is Melissa James' mother, goes to pick up Melissa at the airport in Florida. She's not on the plane. She's not there. She's like, where the hell's Melissa?

So she's blowing up Melissa's phone. She's not answering. plane. She's not there. She's like, where the hell's Melissa? So she's blowing up Melissa's phone. She's not answering. She calls Craig Titus, leaves him a message, blows up his phone. No one's answering. No answer. She's worried that something happened

to all of them at this point. They're like, did someone break in and, you know, home invasion and kill them all or something? They have no idea. Next thing you know, Maura James gets a call from her ex-husband telling them that he got a call

from the Las Vegas coroner and that Maura has to call the coroner. That's so sad. So Maura at this point starts getting a little worried. When you get a call saying, hey, call the coroner in the city where your daughter lives who you can't find. Stop calling hospitals to find out if everybody's okay. And let's just call the coroner. Just call the end game.

So at this point they told her they suspect the body that they found in the desert is Melissa. And so obviously the mother is melissa yeah and so the obviously the mother is super distraught dying uh medical examiner said the body was 70 to 80 percent burned like he said the fingers were destroyed it needed dna testing to be 100 positive the 15th now the next day the autopsy begins to get right into it um they start taking stuff apart yeah because everything's like burned to her they notice that she's there's something on her face and her neck and they feel it's duct tape she's her face that shit didn't burn her face now her okay they took the duct tape off her face her face

was in perfect condition holy shit she's 100's 100% charred. Face perfect. Exactly like her photograph. Duck tape is amazing. This is the best commercial for duck tape ever. Ever. I don't give a shit. You can show the Mythbuster guys

make a boat out of it. You can wrap a girl's face in it, set her ablaze, and she'll still be gorgeous. Not just her. Put her in a vehicle that has a gas tank no

blow shit up it's a fucking bomb nothing light it on fire her face is impeccable it looked like her picture they said it was creepy

like it looked amazing it looked like her driver's license everything else burned perfect face unbelievable teeth white still incredible duct tape is fucking amazing

duct tape this episode of Crying Sports brought to you by duct tape is a fucking amazing duct tape this episode of crime sports brought to you by duct tape wrap your body in duct tape before you burn it all right crime and sports new sponsors here this week um they they couldn't determine the the cause of death yet uh they did a blood test found high concentration lethal concentration of opiates in the blood evidence of strangulation yeah so she has drugs that could have killed her strangulation that could have killed her she's got duct tape around her and she was on fire i have no fucking clue what happened to suicide yeah who knows yeah exactly uh they list the cause of death as undetermined which

comes back pretty big later that's a big deal police immediately focus on titus and ryan obviously because their story is ridiculous. Doesn't make any fucking sense. And they are the ones that know her the best and she lives there. So police wonder,

again, like we said, why they pay for all this shit for someone who was thieving from them. So they start questioning their friends and family. Now we start finding out

some information when they start questioning friends and family. They found out about the affair. They found out that this was an ongoing affair that things were very weird over there

I love to see the cop's face when one of his friends is like yeah you were sleeping in a boat and the cop would be like fuck out of here how did this idiot do that

god damn it I've been working on that for months my wife's hideous and I can't even get her to fuck me that's what they're all saying to each other

now this guy gets two fitness models two hard broads. Unbelievable. So Maura James said that Melissa spoke to her last time she talked to her that Ryan was acting very paranoid lately. Was doing drugs lately and acting really kind of freaked out. She was on something one night and saying how she was positive there was people on the roof. And she kept looking out the windows, which is just total coke behavior that's just coke behavior that's i've been up on coke

for two days a lot there's shit outside there's that's really good that's really hitting it hard it's cokie yeah yeah well i mean christ who knows she probably hasn't eaten well and she's working out and doing coke her heart she's furious that her husband wants to fuck other women and they can't and the police at this point they want to charge them they suspect them but they can't figure out the truck. And they have to know that. That's key. That's key because that's how they got out of it. So they're like, how did this happen? And they don't own that truck.

They don't own the truck at all. They have no, so police at this point start getting phone records of theirs. They get in phone records of Craig and Kelly and they find that over a dozen calls were made from the couple on the 13th,

an early morning 14th, when this happened. When they were supposed to be in bed. To a buddy of Craig's, a bodybuilding buddy of his, like a gym rat who was like, they all called him a groupie of Craig's. Like he was not a competitive bodybuilder,

but just a guy that worked out with him and was like, hey Craig, hey Craig, can I put another plate on for you, Craig? Hey Craig, what are you putting in that shape, Craig? He's like that open mic that shows shows up to a show exactly and then david tell gets off stage and he can't wait to ask him hey when did you start comedy how did you start comedy what's your favorite podcast yeah that guy yeah it's this guy he's got a podcast

i'm sure so this is anthony gross um he now gross because they find the phone records of him connecting the police want to have a little chat with this young gentleman and see what the fuck he now, Gross, because they find the phone records of him connecting, the police want to have a little chat with this young gentleman and see what the fuck they wanted on the early morning of the 14th. Gross comes in on the 19th of December with his attorney. So right there,

That's a red flag, man. You come in with an attorney, you go, this guy's probably got some shit to say at this point. He's not coming in to say, I don't know what you're talking about. He's got a key to this investigation.

So Anthony admits that it was his gray pickup truck. There's the key. He owns a pickup truck. There it is. Now things are... There's your golden skeleton key. There's a thread sticking way out now. This is starting to unravel here.

He admits it's his truck. Says that Titus called him on the 13th and asked him for a favor. That's all he said. He said, hey, man, I need a favor from you. Him being the good little groupie he was, said, sure, sure buddy what do you need and and this tragedy ensued here um he says that uh he was the one driving the truck he was following the couple and he was driving the truck and picked them up in the desert he's a hell of a driver he's a hell of a friend this guy yeah this guy is a is a loyal loyal loyal guyveillance video from a local gas station right by their house, the Titus and Ryan house, sees them pulling in together.

They do not see who's in the Jaguar by the film, but they see Gross buying a gas can full of gas. So it was like $2.66 worth of gas. That doesn't look good. He's seen a video buying that. Now, at this point, too, police also find financial records. They start digging into bank records for this couple. They find a purchase from a Walmart right by their house at 3.30 a.m. When they were supposed to be sleeping.

They were supposed to be sleeping and the car is being stolen on the 14th. supposed to be sleeping supposed to be sleeping and the car is being stolen on the 14th uh they and also surveillance from the walmart of of uh of kelly ryan walking through the walmart buying juice she needed a juice she was thirsty barbecue tools like a like a backyard barbecue set they bought tongs and a fucking spatula like a backyard barbecue barbecue set. And seven 64-ounce bottles of lighter fluid. Yeah. I want a barbecue at 4 a.m. Okay. It's 3.30 a.m.

64 ounces. Seven of those. Now, it's 3.30 a.m. I get that Vegas is a crazy town. Yeah. Okay, I understand that. People do weird shit. You do not need several hundred fluids,

fluid ounces of lighter fluid. Those barbecue tongs though are key to this whole thing because if you show up at the register with just yeah with just like that's what it was yeah it's exactly what it was i feel like they were like we need to they're not going to believe that we're just i'm just buying a job yeah yeah we really need to get like how wet is the wood you're trying to use what where did you find this charcoal where you need, you know... Are you barbecuing an entire fucking farm of pigs? Yeah, you need 400 ounces of lighter fluid to fucking set something ablaze.

That's so much lighter fluid. And just one set of tongs, please. 64 ounces. Think about a 40. Yeah. Another half of one of those. This water right here is 40 ounces that I'm drinking. That is a 40... That is... Time seven one of those. This water right here is 40 ounces that I'm drinking. That is a 40.

That is. Times seven. Times seven. Insane. Times seven. So that doesn't look good for them. Then they have surveillance video of the outside parking lot of her getting, of the Jaguar pulling up to pick her up.

Yeah. Her and Craig Titus gets out of the driver's seat. Helps her put the lighter fluid and shit in the back seat of the car. Oh, why would they do that? Don't open the trunk. Why would you put fucking flammable shit in the car? Well, you don't want it in the trunk, probably, because you don't want to pop that trunk.

Because there's a fucking body in there. Because there's a young girl, a young fitness model in there. Yeah, so after they find this on the 19th, on the 20th, the judge issues an arrest warrant for Titus and Ryan, who had been, the police go to their home to serve the warrant. They're not there.

They don't look like they're going to be there anytime soon. They basically. The favor, real quick. Yeah. The favor that he asked him to help him with was just to get rid of the car. That's it. He said, just follow me out in the desert. I just got to get rid of this car.

I got to get rid of the car. So Gross is just like, yeah, cool. I'm sure Gross knows what's going on. He's got to know. Because they ended up telling other people. They had to have opened that trunk and sprayed lighter fluid in there. You know they did, just to make sure. Let's make sure she catches on fire.

We need that part of the car to burn. They might have told him to sit in the car. I don't know. But Gross says that they just said, hey, help me with the space of this car, is what he said. So anyway, apparently they have been going around around town hiding out not in their house staying at a friend's house one night another friend's house another night trying to get their financial ducks in a row to take the fuck off and get out of here because they want to run they've been talking to their friends about going to a country that doesn't have extradition like trying to figure out that i guess where are you guys

gonna go oh where are you his dad's greek and they're not telling everybody we killed somebody they're saying no we just got to get out of here well where are you gonna go um do you know anywhere that has no extra this is all over the news oh is it what's that car there's a body found in a burned out car in the desert that shit was hot shit on the news and then once their names got in with their local celebrities yeah this is like that's a big deal all right they're saying they don't even know they're wanted in the end they say we didn't even know we were wanted horseshit sure everyone knows you're wanting sure and so and also too how do you hide out if you're this guy you stand out like a sore fucking thumb like you're very conspicuous yeah you're five eight and as white as a house i don't give a shit what mask you don. And you're on every magazine in the grocery store.

People know who you are. So they, you know, think they're going. So they told a friend. They tell people everything. Everything they get in trouble for is because they just told people shit. They didn't have to tell them. If they just shut the fuck up, none of this shit would have happened. All they had to do was go, I don't know, and not tell anybody. He kept his dick in his pants.

Over. Yeah. They could have gotten away with this. Yeah. Crime and sports rule number fucking nine. Don't tell your friends when you want to run from federal authorities. Don't tell them, okay? Stop that.

Tell nobody anything. Tell no one anything. Fucking Mighty Bulger disappeared. He didn't tell anybody shit. He disappeared. He was in fucking Hermosa Beach for 30 years. He shut the fuck up. He didn't tell anybody shit. He disappeared. He was in fucking Hermosa Beach for 30 years. He shut the fuck up. He didn't tell anybody shit. And if he did tell people

they were hardened gangsters, not the people this guy ends up telling, okay? He's not telling some asshole in Gold's Gym. He told a friend that he was that they were going to Boston to stay at a friend's house. Gave him the address and everything. Called him where they were going. In case you need us. So, they I love your Christmas cards.

I'm going to be in Boston. These people tell the cops that because they don't want to be involved. He told us to send his Christmas cards there. Yeah. He just said, just send all his rides there. Send all of his supplements

and all of his fucking protein shakes. He sent all my notes. So they contact the FBI Fugitive Recovery Office in Boston there. The feds surveil that address in Boston, and they're just waiting for him at this point. So they end up, the people, how they got this information also, too, there's people named Melissa Pearson and her fiancé Jeremy Foley. We'll just call them the Foley's because they ended up getting married. Now they're the Foley's.

At the time, they weren't um they contact las vegas police here this is the 22nd of december all right they are friends of the of the of ryan and titus they said that ryan and such good friends that ryan was supposed to be a bride's way it made at her wedding wow i mean they're close right this is how close they are that they think they can trust them or they try to sell it set up some kind of weird alibi with them. They said that they were invited over their house on the 13th of December for drinks. They got invited to Titus and Ryan's house. They were not asked for any favors like Gross was. And everybody, like we said, the police all thought it was an alibi attempt. They told the couple, the couple told them that they had kicked melissa out because she

was a drug addict they brought out like uh needles with blood on them and said look she's shooting up doing some bad shit a bag of crystal meth what they said was crystal meth like we found this in her room it's just flower setting up an alibi well yeah maybe orion was different because she liked yeah and so did he fuck it why. Why not? So Megan said that at this point that Megan Pearson, Foley girl, said that Kelly

then took her aside and told her the truth about that night before or that night. Said that earlier that day a fight broke out between the two of the women. Kelly and Melissa James.

This is great. They got in a big fight. Such a bad fight that Titus found them fighting. Craig found them fighting and broke them apart and took, obviously, his wife's side. Took Kelly's side.

Said that Melissa kept fighting him. So he said he was body slamming her. She said he was body slamming her and punching her and hitting her. Getting her in a chin lock and she wouldn't stop fighting. I can already see how the fight was going. As you're describing it, I can hear the screaming. You said my pussy was tighter. Or some shit. Who the hell knows? I have better the screaming. You said my pussy was tighter or some shit.

You know what I mean? Who the hell knows? I have better tits. You said so. They're fitness models. Who knows what they're yelling at each other? You said my biceps were better. This is not sexist.

These are fitness models. Women, you should hate them too because they're morons. Oh, I don't care. I'm no sexist. I can give a shit. Yeah, I'm just saying, this here, fuck you, pig. You know what I'm talking about. That's an inside joke joke but you'll get it

anyway sorry so craig at this point craig says that uh that he got her in a chin lock tells this melissa foley that he got her or megan foley that he got her in a chin lock and then just demonstrates it oh my god he showed her showed her showed the me the Megan Pearson Foley girl how he had his arm around her on her. Wow. She says she was scared shitless, obviously, because they just admitted to killing someone. Yeah. In front of her. And then he's like, watch, let me choke you.

You don't know if he's going to go, and I'll keep choking you because I just admitted I killed someone in front of you. That's what I would think. Absolutely. They, you know, they're like, hey, okay, it's been a fun night. Yeah, yeah. You know, been a good time, but we gotta go. They leave you know, they're like, hey, okay, it's been a fun night. Yeah, yeah. You know, been a good time, but we gotta go. They leave in terror, obviously. They didn't know if the story was true, what they were saying.

They thought they were making something up until they saw the reports on the news. And also, they found something odd, that as they were leaving the house, Craig gave them a duffel bag. Gave them a little gift. Literally gave them a duffel bag and just said hey hang on to that for me I'll let you know when I need it back I'll get it back for you later don't look at it

literally said that like they did in The Godfather 2 yeah yeah that's a hot at all DeVito Corleone when he lived in down in Little Italy there

and he had the thing of guns and he opened it in the bathtub and he didn't know what to do that's what this is but they didn't open it they say they contact their lawyer when they see the story on the news and they say, what should we do? And they said, well, you should go to the fucking police. So they

go to the police with their lawyer. And that's where a lot of this information comes from. I know what happened here. Megan's sitting there with Foley on the couch. The fucking five o'clock news comes on and shows that these two are on the run. And she goes, that bitch. Yeah. She's trying to ruin my wedding she's supposed to be my bridesmaid no she's on this fucking run and he's like no no don't worry about it babe i'll just take one of my groomsmen out we'll have even numbers on each side no fuck her it's not about that it's my day fuck her she thinks she's gonna run we know something about her she was probably mad that she was stealing attention from her wedding day. She's like, oh my God,

now at the wedding... She thinks she's better than me. Everyone's just going to talk about her at the wedding day. It's supposed to be my day.

Do you understand? We're supposed to talk about how beautiful I look, how happy that we look, how nice that we are, what a handsome guy you are.

Go get that duffel bag. Open it up. There's something in there. There's got to be... Okay. So... Call the police now!

Now! So anyway, now we get to uh uh christmas eve here uh also too they give the police the bag i might as well tell you this now the contents of the bag yes the contents of the bag drum roll here contained a taser oh and a bunch of duct tape that's not good that's weird that's weird why would you get this back from me at another time you definitely did not kill somebody really interested in finding titus and ryan at this point having a little chat with them and seeing what's going on so at this point we get to uh the 23rd of december of 2005 they find titus sitting in his truck i mean he's not a it's a totally

conspicuous vehicle and he's drives this is what they she's got this big vibe this big flash truck yeah this is what they choose to drive to boston and because this is where they find them outside well the truck will do 140 you may as well so they're found outside of boston in a parking lot of a strip mall he's out in the truck. They find him out in the truck. He's taken without incident. Kelly is inside of a salon in there. Got her hair dyed, I guess, to look different.

And she got a pedicure, too. Just because she wanted to feel good about herself. You vapid. You dumb bitch. Fucking dumbass. You dumb, shallow bitch. And you know he's sitting in his truck when he sees the agent pull up and he's like she had to get her fucking nails done.

God damn this lady. So yeah, I can see her sitting there like, I hope you got a French you dumb bitch. I want my feet to feel good. I just want it. Did you get the sea salt? Did you get it? They right away, they interview him

in Boston. The FBI starts interviewing him right away. Let interview him in Boston. The FBI starts interviewing him right away. Let's see what he knows here. At first, this is a great in their own words. This is Titus blaming a meth dealer named Eddie. This is him named Eddie, which is the best name for a meth dealer. He's rocked up the best degenerate white man name you can think of. It's just this dude named Eddie. Excuse me. Through the whole interview, he goes through think of. It's just this dude named Eddie.

Excuse me. Through the whole interview, he goes through different things, but his first thing is about Eddie. He says, in their own words, quote, he's a real cool drug dealer, you know. Pay me or I'll kill you type fucking idiot. I'll tell you something right now. If I find this fucking guy before you guys do,

I'm going to fuck him up. I'll call you when I do, end quote. He's a real cool drug dealer. That's what he says to the FBI. And he also says, I'm looking for him up i'll call you when i do end quote he's a real cool that's what he says to the fbi and he also says i'm looking for him as much as you guys are because if he killed the oj you fuck if he killed my side piece i'm going after him so ridiculous at this point i guess from being on the run he is down to 225 pounds from his normal 260 so he's looking a little deflated which is odd uh Here's another... Jesus Christ. Meanwhile, too,

we have a dead body. We don't know how it died. No. Still undetermined by the medical examiner. And this guy's out there just saying, there's a real cool drug dealer

that probably did this. Real cool. You know, Pammy or I'll kill you type. You know how they are. Real cool. You know how those drug dealers are. Real cool.

He just made up a Vegas drug dealer named eddie so he's a meth dealer real cool type of guy that if you didn't pay him he'd like put you in a trunk of your own car and set it on fire in the desert that's outside the riviera yeah that guy waiting for arch leaster to come drop some bets it's the only thing missing from the story arch leaster robbing them blind after they this is the people who should have been conning these two idiots so this at this point the fbi says that he admits to uh the threesomes that they were having it was a little love triangle and this is another uh

in their own words from the initial interview on the 24th great and this is this is his explanation of what happened okay he basically said that he that they came in the garage and found her in the Jaguar in the front seat OD'd and dead. That's the story. They walked in and they were like, oh, fuck. And he's such a dick, too. He's like, she's in there stinking up my car, being dead. That's literally what he said. So a real compassionate guy.

And then he says, so he picked her up and he said, she real heavy i think i might have dropped her too i don't even know and he goes so we didn't know what to do so we put her in the trunk and we ducked and we taped up her face and like he was trying to say like he said like look my wife's one of the top fitness models in the world uh you know i i i get my endorsements i do all this we can't be seen as like have a dead body around we can't be seen with a drug... With an OD'd girl in the house because that will ruin our careers. Because he thinks he is fucking...

Literally. He thinks he's... Like he's running for fucking senator or something. Excuse me, senator. No, you're a bodybuilder. Everyone knows you're a scumbag. But I guess it would be bad because I guess they're still in the bodybuilding world

even though everyone knows that you cannot look like that unless you take fucking steroids. There's still this thing where some people try to be like no this is a very clean i totally did this with celery there's still a thing out there where some people are denying it all the bodybuilders once they get out of the business they're like of course we were all like everything we could shove in our body you fucking believe me i gave you the list that was what the guy was saying he's was like, yeah, this is what we all did. This is like the typical thing.

You think I'm just sitting around snacking on celery and peanut butter all day and that's how I get this big? He says, and this is in their own words, quote, this is about what I just said. This is a continuation of it. He says, quote, We just basically got rid of a body and now we're going to explain it? If I really wanted to burn her and it was a murder,

I would have dug a hole out in the desert and dumped her in the hole and burned the car myself. You know what I mean? It's that simple. Nobody ever found her. My car would be burned and stolen. End of story. Yeah. So he's like, how fucking dumb do you think I am?

Like, I didn't kill her and then put her out there. I think you're so dumb that you think I would believe that story. But that's like saying I didn't care if the body got found because I didn't kill her. So it didn't really matter right either way you don't even care that she's dead

no because you said she was stinking up your fucking car no I may have dropped her a couple of times I taped up her face

this interview you don't give a shit about her this interview is ridiculous yeah he's such a dick he said

now Ryan said same thing Ryan said that she found Melissa dead she said that she found Melissa dead Kelly Ryan found that she found melissa dead uh kelly ryan and found melissa dead in the of an overdose in the garage and they were concerned with publicity gave the same story yeah the exact same thing um told told this the detectives that the

foleys also saw the body uh oh but they didn't know that the foleys they don't know shit about the foleys already gave a story they don't know anything about Foley's, they don't know shit about all that. They don't know the Foley's already gave a story. They don't know anything about this. Now, at this point, they ask him about the taser. Oh, whoops-a-daisy. And he goes, I mean, white as a fucking ghost. And he had no idea. He was just like, I don't know.

What taser? A taser? He did like cartoon, like, What's a taser? It was ridiculous. What's a taser? I've heard of tas? It was ridiculous. What's a taser? I've heard of tasers, but I don't really know what they do. I'm not sure.

So at this point, he's brought back to Vegas. And not just, like, a stun gun that's a handheld. This is a legit, like, what cops carry taser. Yeah, a legit police taser. It's a gun taser that shoots the flying fish hooks that snap into you, and you electrocute them through the wire. He's charged with murder murder unlawful flight arson a whole bunch of shit just initially just to get charges on him that's they indict him

on stuff later uh in february of 2006 the judge denies bail to both of them you guys are gonna wait this out in here until we figure this whole deal out um he uh you know he pleads not guilty and then he like says he's gonna plead guilty and then goes back to not guilty. He has a little... It's a really weird thing. He says that... Now, at this point, too, there's a guy named Ronald Brady Jr. And he's got a case going on at the same time because he's accused of a murder-for-hire plot with Titus and Ryan to kill three witnesses.

Guess who those three witnesses are? Foley's? Foley's and Mr. Gross in the gray pickup truck, obviously. Now, they don't have enough evidence that this is at Titus and Ryan's instruction, so they can't charge Titus and Ryan. But this guy gets 8 to 25 years in prison for the plot to kill these people. Oh, my God. They don't know who he's conspiring with because they don't have the evidence.

Right. But they know who it is obviously insane so at this point they have this uh this this court appearance titus walks into his first vegas court appearance real arrogant chest out just arrogant uh kelly ryan is there also and he turns to kelly and mouths don't say nothing to her that's his mouth's words just nobody will see this. Don't say nothing. And so through these hearings, the friends testified that he used morphine, Oxycontin, Ryan liked her meth. They're just basically saying what scumbags they are. Now, what they find out about the taser is extremely, extremely incriminating. The taser records the date and time of every discharge in its cartridge, in its memory.

That's awesome. Everyone. That's amazing. It's amazing. I'll bet he didn't know that. He didn't fucking know any of that. He finds out some interesting shit. There's a bombshell.

He didn't know anything. Later on, in the initial FBI interview, he asked them, did you find my steroids when you searched the house? And they said, yes, we did. And he goes, some kind of fucking investigation you guys have. That's pretty good. Like, he was impressed that they found him. Those were hidden really well. He had a good hiding space for him, apparently.

But couldn't hide the times that the taser was fired. That's amazing. Turns out, on the afternoon of the 13th of December 2005, it was fired six times in a two-minute period. Oh, my God. Six times in a two-minute period. Oh, that poor girl. Also, every time it's fired it shoots out a little

tiny, tiny piece of foil. Oh, it covers the prongs on the tiny piece of foil with the gun's specific serial number on it. Oh, Jesus. So it is undeniably linked to that gun. Dead nuts. It's you, bro. You're fucked. Yeah. So the police search Titus' home. They find

these foils in several different locations. Oh no! What is he, chasing her around the fucking house? I think he was zapping her, dragging her, zapping her again. Wow. Because they were trying to get her out to the garage. You have those things. This is horrible.

I think they have two shots in one cartridge. I don't know. I think it's two. It may only be one. Either way, he's reloading this is the point. This is just horrible. That's terrible. This whole thing is terrible. This girl, I don't know what she It may only be one. Either way, he's reloading this. This is fucking horrible. This is just horrible, man. That's terrible. This whole thing is terrible.

This girl, I don't know what she... She took a beating. I don't know what she did, but obviously nobody deserves this. No. Jesus Christ, this is like overkill. That's overkill. At this point, on March 24th, 2006,

they're indicted, both of them, on murder with use of a deadly weapon, kidnapping, and arson charges. And now he's presented with the evidence, because you have to get the evidence. So he's told, by the way, we have your stun gun given to us from the Foley's that you gave to them. And it has the time and everything recorded. It's a mountain. It's a mountain of evidence. Too much.

The defense, they decide now to file to have the charges dismissed dismissed because the state hasn't proven that it's even murder. Because it's still undetermined. And the state was like, how the hell do we get this through? Because, Jesus Christ, it is undetermined. I mean, she had so much drugs. People say she liked drugs. The coroner can't say it was murder. They might be able to muddy the waters with some reasonable doubt here is what they're thinking.

The defense insists it's a drug overdose. You know, it's still ruled undetermined. Can't save his murder. They might be able to muddy the waters with some reasonable doubt here, is what they're thinking. The defense insists it's a drug overdose. You know, it's still ruled undetermined. In court, he eventually has to plead guilty later on, but now they're in jail. Kelly becomes real into Christianity in jail, of course. Of course. Because why not be an asshole? Desperation.

Hail Mary. Yeah, he's in May of 2006 he talks to Muscle Missions magazine which is like a religious bodybuilding organization and they're trying to do an expose on steroids and all this and he is happy to talk to them

I heard the interview and he's saying like you know how much steroids are being used in the sport he's like look at this guy look at the size of that guy's fucking head look at his head two years ago he's on shit i don't even know what he's on anymore these guys are crazy um they end up pleading guilty on uh may 30th 2008 after a seven hour plea negotiation whoa so they were really those usually just fucking open and shut seven hours of because they're dealing with years, charges.

The problem is, here's why the negotiation took so long. Craig wants to just take the rap. He doesn't want Kelly Ryan being involved. All of a sudden he wants to be a good guy. He wants to get his wife out of this shit. So he's trying to get the most for him with the less for her. That's the seven hour negotiation. Eventually, a negotiate out to...

He will plead guilty to second degree murder first degree kidnapping and first degree arson with a 21 to 51 year sentence whoa that's no shit that's a heavy sentence that's tough and uh ryan will receive uh charges of battery with a deadly weapon and arson and she's sentenced to six to 26 years and it's two consecutive three that's such a big window well there's two it's two consecutive three to 13 year sentences so that's how it works it's a very big window and we'll get into some of her recent uh attempts at parole also at at the sentencing such a teaser though with like a big a six to 26 you're like i can do seven and i're like, I can do 7, and I'm going to be fine.

I'll get out. Can I do 25? Yeah, that I cannot do. I don't know if I can do 25. Titus in court says, in their own words, quote, there's nothing I can do to bring her back. I'm so sorry. I don't think you are.

I don't think you are. As a matter of fact. Because you're trying to be a good guy now. You were mad she stunk up your car. Yeah, exactly. Your car, asshole. You duct taped her fucking face. So, I mean, so right now, I mean, they just got sentenced.

Yeah. And also, too, Melissa James' mother, who was going through all this, she died during the proceeding. Oh, God, there's no closure. She had a heart attack and died before the whole thing was over. Also, I think Kelly's, her father, I think, died during the whole thing. Yeah. But, I mean kelly's one of her her father i think died during the whole thing but i mean james doesn't get that poor melissa james is burned beyond recognition with a very nice duct tape face beautiful face but the rest of her is destroyed kelly ryan's not going to be a fitness model in jail no craig titus has had his last competition in 2005 he's

going to come out soggy as fuck i mean mean, the bodybuilding community at this point, as if it wasn't already kind of sullied up enough, is just looking even dirtier and scummier. And I feel bad for all of these people, Jimmy. I feel really bad for them. I really do. Holy shit. But not as bad as I feel. That is a pile that you have. For Craig Titus, Director of Business Development at Zimmer Thomas and Associates. Craig Titus, Director of Business Development at Zimmer Thomas & Associates. Craig Titus, Business Development Manager at the FD Group. Craig Titus, the Journeyman Plumber at Titus Plumbing and Heating, LTD. That guy went through an apprenticeship. He did.

Craig Titus, Professor at Drury University, where he's rated 4.7 out of 5 stars on RateMyProfessor.com. Craig Titus, the quality manager at Wild Defense and Space. And finally, Craig Titus, this poor bastard, just for his shit life, is an administrative assistant for the state of Nevada, formerly a counterman at CarQuest,

and went to Cimarron Memorial High School. You poor son of a bitch. You have a shit life, and you have a terrible man's name. And if we Google you, it says you're a murderer and a steroid freak. You poor bastard.

So, uh... That's my favorite thing in the world. I love that so much. December 8th, or December of 2008, Craig Titus makes a request to have his sentence reduced because he made the deal

and he's like, hey, can I maybe get a little, because I think the deal, I thought I could do this amount of time. Turns out I can't. I think it was certain parameters and then the judge had leeway to give his own sentence. I think the judge gave him a harsher sentence than he thought he was going to get. So now he's trying to be like,

hey guy, I kind of cooperated here. I kind of said I was guilty. Maybe you could help me. Maybe you could help me. District Judge Jackie Glass who handed out the original sentence says, verdict sir you may fuck off back to jail goodbye he's gone no silver-haired white man for him uh in february of 2009 anthony gross our great pickup truck driving friend pleads guilty to some sort of, you know, I don't even know what it was. It was probably like fucking insurance fraud or something.

It was like crime. It was disposing of evidence. Some shit. Whatever. He gets probation. Enduring a fucking investigation. He doesn't go to jail. He gets probation for this.

So poor Anthony Gross, the groupie. Good for him. It paid off to be a good friend. He was a good guy, Anthony Gross. I'd like to have him as a friend. He will literally help you get rid of a body in the desert. Literally. He's proven at 3.30 in the morning.

That guy will help you. That guy's a good dude. He'll get the gas. He will. He'll cover it. He did. He got him 260 worth of gas. No problem.

In 2005? I don't need to read. In 2004. In 2005. In 2005, gas was $5 a gallon. He said, I don't even need a receipt. No. On me, guys. It's on me. 2004. 2005. 2005? Gas was $5 a gallon. He said, I don't even need a receipt on me, guys. On me. I got it.

So Kelly ends up divorcing Craig in December of 2009. So they're divorced now. Real quick. The other thing is, he drove his own truck to help. And it's a pickup truck. Gas guzzling son of a bitch. He still covered that. This thing probably cost him 20 bucks yeah minimum for this and he covered it and he got it how about guys i got you covered she divorced

him um she divorced him uh craig uh titus now there has been disputed dates on here about his uh eligibility for parole yeah the one i see most is he's eligible on uh december 23rd 2026 now i've also seen that he's eligible in 2021 2017 i've seen all these different dates but that's the one i see the most is to is 2026 so i'm not sure about that but now in 2011 kelly ryan actually was paroled. Don't get excited yet. She's not out, guys. Keep your dick in your pants for a second. Was paroled for the assault with the deadly weapon.

And then, now after that parole, has to serve three years at least for the arson. Oh. Because they're consecutive. So she's paroled for the first one. Now she's got the second thing. She's going right back in. You're paroled. Now go back what she did is call an alford plea which is what the west memphis three had to do to get out of

jail remember that they got out of jail they had it's basically where you and you don't admit guilt right but you admit that there's enough evidence to convict you right so you're going to say you're guilty but you're not admitting guilt right that's what it is so she does that with this deal which and makes her eligible for parole uh now she is was denied parole in 2015 yay denied parole in 2015 and is not eligible for parole again until october 2017 so the streets are safe for a moment for a little bit fucking bitch uh she's gone. And Miss James, God rest your soul, gets a little bit of justice in

denying the parole. Good for her. Yeah, something. Something, anyway. But there's no fucking story! Now, starting, now this is weird, too. Starting in June of 2012, I start seeing, like, a weekly blog online. What? An iron magazine. What? Called Titus Talks. No.

And it's just him just talking about weightlifting. Oh, what an asshole. It's just about weightlifting, stories, it's got all of

his accomplishments. There's a picture of him like in peak form from a muscle magazine and it's called Titus Talks. Look it up. In like a pose

that he fucking choked a woman out in. Fucking ridiculous. What an asshole. Total bullshit. How is he, he's getting cantina money for this shit? What a dick. I hate that he fucking choked a woman out in. What an asshole. Total bullshit. How is he, he's getting cantina money for this shit?

What a dick. I hate that he's capitalizing still. He's lonely. Good. Old Craig is lonely because he is on writeaprisoner.com.

He's a single man. He's on writeaprisoner.com. I swear to God, if you, I'm going to read his profile and I'll tell you how you can contact him. I have a feeling

Mark Busby will be making a new friend here buzz me do jesus all of you guys yeah contact him at least minimum okay here is uh this is long i won't do in their own words this is a musical just go on forever but it's amazing okay here it is there's a picture of him with his hands in his pockets like hey how's it going he's totally bald it says hey i'm a cool drug dealer let's see here hey kind of you know pay me He's totally bald. Hey, I'm a cool drug dealer. Let's see here. Hey, kind of, you know, Pammy or I'll kill you type. I go by Eddie sometimes.

He says, here it is. Hello, I'm really happy you're taking the time out of your day to read my bio. Never in a million years did I dream I'd be placing myself on an inmate website to find companionship, but here I am. Kooky.

I never dreamed, but my wife divorced me so here i am if you're interested in who i am or what i was all about what i was all about google me i'm all over the internet do not believe everything you read some is true and some is not i used to be a professional athlete and now i'm in prison it's a long story and if you get to know me i'll share it with you just know that i'm a loyal Capricorn looking for a true friend in every sense of the word. He's into astrology. Holy shit. Fuck him.

I work out five days a week to keep myself in shape. I keep up on all current events. I enjoy reading novels and listening to all types of music. Right. Please make sure to include your address when you write me. I cannot email you. You can only email me. If you'd like to write me write me direct my current address is below i'm looking forward to hearing

from you exclamation point and then in parentheses the word smile i guess like his emoji that he doesn't have he's up on the fucking internet lingo if you get the opportunity please check out the book swift injustice the craig titus story written by tracy mitchell which we'll get into also in a second here thank you yeah uh you can contact him if you'd like to here it is uh must be 18 or years or older to write a prisoner you should be 18 or older if you listen to our fucking show anyway but uh it is craig titus number 102-4059. He is in Lovelock, just like it sounds, Lovelock Correctional Center, 1200 Prison Road.

That's an address. Lovelock, Nevada, 89419, USA. So please feel free to write him and find out what he does. I love how complicated a prisoner's fucking address is. It's amazing to get to him. It's so great because it's just like, if you want to get a letter to me, you really have

to fucking try. You've got to write so much. Now, his book is a load of shit. Swift Injustice, the Craig Titus story, and it's literally about how he was set up for murder it says when the prosecutor repeatedly claimed

the victim was beaten, tasered, body slammed injected, choked, duct taped and then burned in the back of a car, of course the media is ready to persecute him, those things all fucking happened, that's why they were ready to persecute him holy shit I wish at this moment I was a member of Anonymous or had any sort of hacking

ability, I would love to hack that website and say also also, if you'd like to hear about him, listen to Crime and Sports. No shit. And it's everywhere. It's on Amazon here. It's all over the place. You can buy it for $29.79 in paperback, which is super fucking expensive. A $30 book? $30 for a paperback.

I bought Lawrence Taylor's book for $14.95. And he was actually a Hall of Famer, for Christ paperback. I bought Lawrence Taylor's book for $14.95. Yeah, and he was actually... And he's a Hall of Famer, for Christ's sake. This is bullshit. He broke a man's leg on Monday Night Football. What the fuck have you done? Only six left in stock. Well, he never burned a girl in the desert in a Jaguar, so I guess if we're

going by crime standards, Titus has him beat, actually. If we're going by actual accomplishments, we'll give LT the nod. I guess he earned that $30 paperback he did so yeah that's a lot of shit my fucking taylor book yeah my lawrence taylor book's a hardback it's a beautiful book this is a pile of shit 1495 picture him all muscly on the front go fuck yourself so do not buy his book no i'm sure he will somehow indirectly get money for this even though you're not supposed to make money off your crimes.

Right. But if you're saying you didn't do it, this isn't a story of how he killed her. No. This is how he was persecuted, and it's a big rush to judgment. Yeah. Rush to judgment. Did we see the police statements? Yeah.

Rush to judgment? You told us what happened, man. Holy shit. So, Craig Titus, thank God, is locked away for what we think is at least another ten years. At least. Thank fuck. Watch out for Kelly Ryan if you run into her in Vegas. In the next five.

Watch out. Probably next year. Yeah. Because she was denied this year. They'll probably give it to her next year. Probably give it to her next year. That way they can keep her on parole for a while. So watch out for that, guys.

And that's Craig Titus, man. There he is. Wow. In all of his glory. What a goddamn story that was, isn't it? Holy shit. Good Lord. Thank you guys for hearing that. Yeah. That was awesome. That was a fun that was, isn't it? Holy shit. Good Lord. Thank you guys for hearing that.

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