Crime in Sports - #216 - Violent, Crazy, Mean & Proud - The Rebelliousness of Jerome "New Jack" Young

Episode Date: July 14, 2020

This week, we bring you one of the most anticipated episodes. One that you've all been asking for. He was considered extra crazy, in a time & business where crazy was the currency. In wrestling, his violence was unparalleled, including using staple guns, a Nintendo, or anything else that could be considered an implement of violence. Sometimes, this included stabbing his opponent in a less than planned way. Justifiable homicides, drugs, and overall mayhem. Not only does he admit to it all, but he's not even sorry! Go from bounty hunting to wrestling, be the most violent, feared guy around, and tell the world that you "did it & got away with it", with Jerome "New Jack" Young!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder#  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We did this. This was a live show we did, this particular episode. We did it one time in Phoenix, and then we were supposed to do it again in Nashville, and then we were going to put it out next week. So Nashville is supposed to be tomorrow since that is not happening now, and it's been rescheduled for January. We'll have a whole new live show for that and everything, and we're going to do this now to give those people that waited so long for it, at least give them the episode and for

everybody else it's it's one of the greatest things ever and i've been saving it for four years and it's just fantastic it's new jack everybody holy shit oh it's amazing i love it's just i full disclosure i love this man he's a fan he's fantastic he's hilarious hilarious. He's smart. He's dangerous. Oh, dangerous as shit. I mean, he's as dangerous. Like, if you gave a raccoon with rabies, HGH, and a lot of meth. And a switchblade. And a switchblade.

And gave him a knowledge of how to hurt people. Like an anatomical knowledge. That's New Jack. And he's amazing. and funny as shit. If you show that raccoon on the doll where it will die. He's not shy. He's not ashamed of shit.

And he's a good goddamn time. So buckle up for that, New Jack. It's a wrestling episode, so brain damage sports. And he actually has some damage from a particular thing. But we'll get into all of that holy i'm so excited this is great but uh first before we get into that very quickly please if you haven't done it yet five stars on apple podcasts would be wonderful get on there trust us this takes forever to put together it takes you

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We use it crazy. We did Edwin Valero, who was insane and killed his wife. And the kids? Or just the wife? I think just the wife. Stabbed her good, though. Yeah, he yeah he went he was nuts he just went nuts there was him and then hollywood henderson who had one of the remember he fucked a disabled girl's face right we remember that in a wheelchair terrible man terrible but then he turned it all around he won the lottery twice

he's like the light what a crazy story that is like if that undeserved lottery winner ever yeah that's one of those movies where you'd be like, that's a whole load of horse shit. What a stupid movie. But it said happened. It's the darkest Forrest Gump ever. Yes. That's what I mean. So we do the crazy ones live.

Yeah. And tonight we up the ante, Jimmy. Great. Again, with New Jack, a wrestler. Jerome Young is his real name. And New Jack, he's this. See how you get there. Yeah. He's a young New Jack. New Jack. Well, he takes his real name and uh new jack he's this see how you get there yeah he's a rome young new jack

new jack well he takes his wrestling name so i mean that's how that works never never adds up who knows i mean i guess hulk is sort of big guy that sort of shit works sometimes they work but new jack it makes sense later on but first of all we have to say this about this episode there will be because there's a lot of new jack quotes because i went through tons of interviews of new jack from over the years he's a very voluble kind of guy talks a lot does a lot of long shoot interviews so there's a whole lot of footage of him and footage of him you know he's drunk he's high he's all fucked up he's saying crazy shit sometimes he's calm and sober and all through the years so So he says a lot of crazy shit. Now, I purposely did not watch the dark side of the ring of New Jet.

Oh, really? On purpose. Yes. Didn't do it. It wasn't out before I did the original one. And then I went to watch it and I was like, no, I don't want to know what they did. I looked at all these interviews that were honestly fresher from the time of a lot of this stuff as well. So people's stories change over time and they get more self-serving.

And I don't know if that's the case there, but I just wanted to stick with kind of the over time put together research that I did here. So let's do it. New Jack, Jerome Young, date of birth, January 3rd, 1963. He grows up in Greensboro, North Carolina. Old New Jack here. Side of Charlotte.

Yeah, now he has four brothers and a sister that he grows up with, but they're spread out in age a good deal. Really? Yeah. To the point where his one brother's in Vietnam when he was a kid. You know what I mean? So that's a good amount of spread. That's a 20-year spread.

Yeah. It's a good spread, which I mean, that's, I guess- How old is mom? I'm not sure her exact age here but two of his brothers ended up in vietnam jesus yes uh one of his brothers uh got sent home for mental problems and ended up in a mental institution jesus so yeah now that we don't know if that's from the war yeah we don't know if that's a ptsd thing or we don't know if he made and fucked up before he went in that's i mean or we don't know if that's a kind of a genetic thing.

Who knows? But New Jack is as smart as he is. Stable is not the first thing I would call him. But it's a lot of it is calculated. And he's got a calculated crazy to him that you just have to fucking admire. I'm just you just have to admire it. I don't know. So his sister left home when she was 16 which is usually a bad sign that

the home is not great if teenage girls where the 16 year olds have all this uh opportunity elsewhere that's what i mean and it was more common back then for a 16 year old to run away because kids used to get married when they were 18 all the time back then that was common but still 16 is usually like oh there's some problems problems or something going on. Apparently, dad was a what New Jack called a very violent alcoholic. So not only an alcoholic, but fucking violent as well. His parents had issues the whole time. His parents are always arguing. And here is New Jack talking about his dad.

New Jack said, quote, My dad was an alcoholic and he was a violent alcoholic one time him and my mom got in an argument and um she was leaving right she was leaving with me she went to put me in the car and he ran out the back door with a gun with a shotgun and shot her in the back of the leg while she was holding me no uh putting me in the car okay okay so that's that's one story let's start that's one how old story of dad oh i mean small small enough for mom to hold so i mean under five yeah you know i guess probably another one here and then one time he said that he was told by one of his friends that she was cheating on him. And she was a nurse at the time. And I remember her coming in the house.

She had this white dress on a nursing dress. And she came in the house and she came in there and they started arguing. And he pulled a knife out and started stabbing her. And he's stabbing her like five, six times. And I'm standing there right there looking like and I want and I watch her dress go from white to red. And she called the police and the ambulance and they came and got her and they took him to jail it wasn't too long after that that he died oh my god so yeah this is this is his this is when jack his dad died when he was five yeah so all this happened pre-five oh my god so this is yeah that's

not a hyper color shirt that's actual that's for that's not a, ooh, they put your hand on it and it's warm. This is, that's a lot for a five-year-old to see. It's a lot of blood. It's a lot of blood and also a lot of who do you trust? Because if that's your dad and as a child you're trained to trust your parents and then your dad can snap and start shooting your mom or stabbing her, you've got to have a real leery sense about you of everybody on earth after that. And if you admire your dad and that's how he treats your mom,

that's how you figure you're supposed to treat women? Yeah, that's the thing. Well, see, here's the thing about Jack. This is where he's real, he's torn. And this is from several interviews now. He looks up to his dad at the same time as hating his dad for doing all this terrible shit to his mom and, you know, obviously causing him this damage. But he's also mad at his mom for how she treated his dad, which is a weird thing.

We'll get into this here. His childhood is he hates them both. His childhood's fucked. Yeah, it's fucked. He blames everybody. He's just he's very angry, which is understandable for, you know, this childhood. He says that his dad died when he was five. He blames everybody. He's just he's very angry, which is understandable for this childhood. He says that his dad died when he was five.

He said Jack says that his dad had a heart attack, quote, with the assistance of my mom. Okay, so that doesn't sound good. His mom's a nurse. Oh, so she says that he says that the whole family, I don't know what that entails, but the entire family knows that she poisoned him at the hospital is what jack said so apparently she had access to drugs is what he's saying and uh she's not keeping it a secret she just the whole family knows about it that yeah she killed him um now she jack says that his mom told him quote i didn't kill your dad i only gave him something to feel better because i guess she gave him something that seems like a conflict of interest yeah they would allow

that i don't think they were allowing it i think she's just a nurse and it's also like 1968 so there's not exactly the tight controlled yeah there just isn't it's not as controlled policies no it's really they probably had a fucking open locker full of drugs just in the hallway with a curtain in front of it you just open it up and there was like just any drug you wanted there probably who knows don't worry i got his i got his medicine this hour yeah so yeah i'll take care of him here uh but jack also says that she had an insurance policy on him ah as well that's what i mean by conflict of interest well yeah you can't be treating someone that it's a direct profit if you kill that's a conflict as fuck that's what i mean by conflict of interest well yeah you can't be treating someone that it's a direct profit if you kill that's a conflict as fuck that's a real conflict there

and also she could go oh it's more like a medical fuck up than a wife wanting to kill the husband and a man who stabbed her and shot her yeah there's motivation for to want to kill someone for money in that situation not that we know what happened so he says uh that she had an insurance policy on the father and that she also had an insurance policy on a brother of his that died in 2015 so jack is suspicious of his mom period he says that he quote never liked his mother so i mean not even when she was shielding you from shotgun pellets? I mean, I never liked her. Maybe you should like her then. Didn't care for her.

Very sweet of her. Well, she was getting stabbed. I was like, she deserves this. You know what? Bitch deserves it. I'm sorry. Telling her. Telling you about cheese nips?

Those are not cheese-its. They're not cheese-its. They're nips. Deal with it. That's for buying Hydrox. Thank you. Thank you very much. Oreos only. Please. You know the Hydrox are w you. Thank you very much. Oreos only.

Please. You know the Hydrox are waxy as fuck and I will not eat them. I just won't. I'm sorry. Who even wants nips? That's disgusting. Yeah, no one wants a cheese nip. I'll still eat them in a pinch, but I want an it.

That's all that's in the closet. Oh, I'll it over a nip any day. No one's buying cheese nips. That's what I mean. That's all the stewardess has. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If you're on a flight and they come with some shitty basket and you're like, well, I can either have, what is that, a brand bar?

I don't want that right now. Is that a banana that I just saw the other two people pick up and put back? Fucking paw, put back, bruise further. Cheese nips it is. I guess I'm nipping it. Fuck it. The worst cracker ever made. They are awful.

So Jack, well, I don't know if they're the worst. There's some bad crackers out there. You can call it nips if you want, but leave the word cheese out of it because they don't taste like cheese. There's no cheese to it. They're crunchy and salty. Call them crunch salts. Crunchy salt nips would be fine.

That's all right. I would be okay with that. I'll sign on that. Yeah, that's fine. Crunchy salty nips. There you go. Just get the fuck away from the cheese. There's no cheese in this.

Is it because it's orange? Is that why? That's why. Yeah, well, just because it's an orange flavor and it's square and it looks like a cheese. It's like a go-bot. It's a robot that turns into a fucking motorcycle, so that transforms. It's sort of a transformer. So Jack says, a quote about his mom here. Oh, my God. Quote, I always used to tell her when sort of a transformer. So Jack says a quote about his mom here.

Oh, my God. Quote, I always used to tell her when I was a kid, I wish she had been the one who died. I always used to tell that sound that started out so warm, didn't it? I always used to tell my mom. Most athletes, like I think last week, Michael Ray Richardson told his exact quote was like, I always used to tell my mom, you're not going to have to do this forever. Someday I'm going to get you out of here and buy you a house.

As he rubbed her feet after a long shift at the hospital, this guy, his mom gets home from the hospital and he tells her, he tells her, I wish you would have died. I always used to tell my mom when I was a kid, I wish she had been the one who died. You know what?

We need it in the, with the piano music in the background, it's really going to be good here. So let's go ahead and do in their own words, quote, I always used to tell her when I was a kid, I wish she had been the one who had died. I never liked her.

I hated her. I used to have to hear her in the other room, screwing other men in the dad, in the bed my dad slept in. Oh my God. So, yeah. Holy shit. That's a hell of a phrase.

That's a phrase. That needed it in their own words, I believe. That needs soft piano music over it. The second part, follow-up, is even grosser. Oh, the whole thing is gross. As you can imagine, he hated his mom, even though his dad shot her and stabbed her, and then he's mad at his mom for this. hated his mom, even though his dad shot her and stabbed her, and then he's mad at his mom for this.

You can imagine his attitude toward women as he gets older is not wonderful, we'll say. But shockingly, his violence is rarely toward women. Most of the time, it's definitely toward men. That is something that horrifies me, though, is my children one day hearing me fuck. I don't want that ever. Why would you want that, or why should that happen but that's what i mean like he's upset oh yeah i don't want them to ever hear that and then fucking hate me for the rest of my life over small house thin walls yeah i mean you better be careful in there listen i was i was young i witnessed it myself and i hate it it's nothing anyone wants to deal with.

Luckily, they have noise-canceling headphones and shit now. Kids have, like, Beats on. I can duct tape that to their head. They can fucking tune it out. I'm going to fuck her. Put these on. If Jack had some Beats, I'm just saying, I feel like his whole life would have changed and been different. If he was just, like, listening to, who's this, like, the late, he's, like, just put,

like, the spinners on and sat there and hung out. I really feel like. I don't know. That feels very. Put some Bobby Womack, and he's like, yeah, this is good. on and sat there and hung out. I really feel like I don't know. That feels like Bobby Womack. And he's like, yeah, this is good. It feels very code word to me, though. Like if you just like threw those to your like, great.

He would know. He would know once the sun goes down, headphones go on like every night. He doesn't want to hear his mom's not concerned about it. He's like, I can't hear mom fucking anymore. So he just puts them on from dusk till dawn. None the wiser. And none the wiser and none the wiser across a hundred and ten street he doesn't give a fuck anything but her anything but her

so yeah uh she says that uh he says that she likes to take out life insurance policies on people that she's encountered that she encounters which is pleasure to meet you social dude there's in that homicide david simon book there's a crazy story of this woman who took out all of these life insurance policies on everybody she knew she had like fucking nine husbands that she killed oh my she killed all these husbands she killed nieces nephews and finally this one niece hers, she tried to have her killed. She had an insurance policy on her. She tried to have her killed like five times. And this girl was like a 20-year-old girl,

100 pounds, and she got shot in the head like three different times and kept surviving. She was like a young Mr. Magoo? She kept surviving. Eventually, the hitman, later on after he turned himself in or they caught him or whatever,

the guy who was up for, she was hiring to shoot, said he gave up and told her he wasn't going to try anymore because he said this girl won't die i can't do it i've shot her three times in the head she won't fucking die are you sure it wasn't like a weekend at bernie's situation dude no shit no she was out there and then finally they did this whole thing and she had been doing this for years they were fucking exhuming husbands and shit left and right i mean they had her for tons of murder charges and wow she been doing this for years they were fucking exhuming husbands and shit left and right i mean they had her for tons of murder charges and wow she was like this real like southerny churchy woman that would go into these big it was fucking wild hats and shit yeah yeah

all that kind of shit and she would like fake heart attacks and she'd pull like a fred sanford when anybody would uh accuse her yeah she'd be i need my medication and they'd be like me look fun which i mean if she did need medication'd be, I need my medication. And they'd be like, me look fine. Which I mean, if she did need medication, that's terrible. But she didn't. And she killed like dozens of people. Not dozens, but a shitload. I mean, it's legal to just take out insurance policies. I think they have to agree to it.

Do they? Yeah, you can't just I can't just insure strangers. That's not how that works. You get rich pretty quick. You'd be scratching your chin going hmm his lifestyle looks pretty risky during a pandemic you could just search where where all the hot spots are yeah i think just go sign people up but what she does is forge their signatures on shit and you know do all so that's another level of fraud so uh yeah he says that uh when when he was in ecw

wrestling when he was kind of at his most famous she took out a policy on him as well and he said that she almost went to jail because she forged his signature and he turned her in for it got it because he was like she ain't gonna kill me fuck that well he was diving off a third story like you'd look at him and go oh he could die any minute and so uh you know maybe that's why she did tell you that's what she did kill that guy that's what i mean yeah oh he's diving off the third fucking balcony i'm not even kidding onto concrete he's very he almost died several times wrestling so uh yeah he said that when he was a kid he was a skinny kid with big ears and not really you know all that athletic or tough as a

little kid same season well yeah it wasn't a little bit. So he said, quote, I learned how to fight. I would start shit for no reason. I'm not the type of person that can fight with you and stop. I'll stop when I see you not moving. When you land like you're dead, then I'll stop. I say that I'm not mean, but I am. I know I am. Yeah, bro, that's murder.

That's New Jack. Oh, by the way, he has killed several people. Rule justifiable, but has killed many, multiple people and attempted to murder others and fully admits it. So he's not a nice guy and not claiming to be a nice guy. That's the thing. He says all that and he goes, yeah, I mean, I know. I mean, like, he doesn't care. Holy shit.

He said his family moved to atlanta when he was 15 and he played football there he started playing some football which i think was good for him actually he played at thorell high uh thorell high school in football and uh was pretty decent at it actually as we'll find out but right before graduation he got arrested is a problem here he said he he said it was you know only a matter of time he was surprised it took that long because he said him and his friends would just go rob people on the weekends yeah as for sport yeah that was like they would literally be like what do you want to do i'll go rob people over there all right cool so yeah they said they would rob

stores at gunpoint um that's just people whoever they could find just running around robin he said quote we just robbed the shit out of him that's yeah that's a quote yeah that's not bad uh he said he you know he looked for family among friends and shit like that he's got a brother in a mental institution all his siblings are scattered his mom is untrustworthy in his eyes his dad's dead so he's he's looking for something here um now he speaks of his first armed robbery here. This is this is good. He said, well, let's just let him tell you all about it. He said he was at home.

He said he was in the 10th grade. He said, I was at home and I had been like watching movies. That's normal. 10th grade watching movies. And I'm like, quote, I think I can do that. Right. And my mom had a 22. Right. A little revolver. So think I can do that. Right. And my mom had a 22, right?

A little revolver. So I knew where it was. Right. And the store that I had been casing for a couple of weeks, I'm like, I believe I can rob them. I believe I can do this. Yeah, I believe if I point a gun in that man's face, he'll give me money. That's it. Okay.

Jiminy Cricket believes in me. Yeah, I believe in causing a fright. Tenth grade. And he's it okay jiminy cricket believes in me yeah i believe in cause and effect 10th grade and he saw it in the movies like i think i can do this cause and effect if i put the gun in his face yeah you know that was amazing i saw it happen in my head yeah i saw the cartoon he had the wand and everything that's a perfect cause and effect cause and effect he said quote and when she would go to bed, because she never cared what time I came or went, and you know what I mean, so I would go out of the house at like one in the morning and ride down on my bike down to the store. I had like a 10 speed, so I would ride down there and just sit there and watch people

come in and out. And I'd watch and I'd be like, I can do it. I know I can. So one night, I decided to walk down there jesus christ a little robber who could well he's gonna do it he's 15 you know what but most 15 year olds have no confidence in anything so i yes this is not a thing to be confident about but i applaud him for having any confidence at 15 because a lot of given the circumstance yeah a lot of 15 year old

boys are just they're going to sit around with their squeaky voice and very they don't want to be seen or heard this guy's like i believe i can do it rob the shit i believe i can rob them he says quote i'm a walk because i'm a need to get the hell out of there and i had the uh little gun in my pocket and i'm like now i now now i don't know when you go in do you say give it up or stick them up or let me have the money or do i write him a note so he hadn't thought about that far he's like to the door and he's like what i'm gonna do now i got a gun yeah i know i want the money right i know I should walk here instead of ride my bike. But how the fuck do I convey this? Why? This is a 15-year-old.

This is the most 15-year-old shit ever. Most 15-year-olds, they should be walking up to a girl and wanting them to do something with them and being like, how do I ask her to hang out? I should be like, oh, you want to hang out? Or what are you doing on Saturday? Instead, this is his, how do I get the girl to go to the prom with me? I'm going to homecoming. Can I stick a 22 in your belly and ask for all the cash?

How do I touch her on top of her clothes at minimum? What words do I need for that? Without having to dance too much. You know what I mean? The teenager, like, I don't want to dance, but I want to touch her. How do I do this? How do I make this work? I don't want to show her but I want to touch her. How do I do this? How do I make this work?

I don't want to show her that I can't do that. She's going to imagine that I can't do more things. Yeah, it's not. Fuck that. So luckily, we grew up in a time where you could be like, man, fuck dancing. People be like, oh, he's cool. That was cool. You know, in the 90s, you could be.

Yeah, you could just have a bad attitude about something and people would find that cool rather than, oh, it sucks. You won't do that. They'd be like, yeah, fuck dancing. Yeah, he's got it. It's not that I'm tragically white. No, no, no. I'm just because I don't want to sweat. Fuck that.

You know what I mean? I just watched the fresh undershirt. Everybody's dancing. Remember that? Yeah. Multiple layers. Everybody's dancing remember that yeah multiple layers everybody's dancing which means i can't be dancing and be like everybody else that's a good excuse to wearing a t-shirt under a t-shirt yeah what the fuck was that about well i always do that here

so i don't ruin t-shirts because it's 150 degrees right but the t-shirt under the t-shirt was bigger than the t-shirt that was the look i didn't understand that why would you do that yeah i make sure that the outer shirt's bigger than the undershirt and the collar was always like a little more crew you know it was like it was like restrictive to the neck the neck and then the other one wasn't the collar like went around that i don't understand what were we doing i didn't do that so i don't know i did it all the time that That wasn't my look. And then two chains. Two herringbones. They're the same links. Why did I do that? Yeah, not herringbone. That's not good.

I did that. Herringbone. Damn, Jimmy. You had to have links on. What are you doing? And then a fucking rope. Nah. Like a silver rope.

Yeah, you were. With a cross on it. Fuck off. You were what we'd call a herb back then. If we saw you in New York dressed dressed like that i'd be like what the fuck is this guy doing a herringbone what am i doing hold on come here man you need some help one shorter than the other so that you could tell oh yeah layer yeah maybe they think it's a real long one it just doubled up wrapped it around my neck again pow pow double so it looked like it's the same fucking length

that's really like an asshole that's that's pretty asshole okay so jack is trying to figure out how he can rob a store logistically he's got all things down but really how do i get him to give me the money so he said quote i said i don't know what the fuck oh god what do you uh so i just went in there this is his pausing and he's just trying But really, how do I get him to give me the money? So he said, quote, I said, I don't know what the fuck. Oh, God, what do you. So I just went in there. This is his pausing and he's just trying to be stammering. So I just went in there and was like, give me the money.

And the lady looked at me, looked at me. And I said, give me the money, lady. And he said he didn't have his face covered and he lived up the street. So that probably wasn't the smartest thing in the world. And he'd been in that store before. it was like that's not smart um he says quote she handed me the money and looked at me like in disbelief because i had been in the store so many times like i know you what are you doing jerome right you know i'm gonna tell your mom about this she said he says uh and it was like and when they went i came out of the

store running with the money in my hand and my gun in the other hand and i'm running down the street and i don't know if i was dropping money or not but i was hauling ass i cut through the i cut down through the woods and popped up down at the house and i went in the house and then i went upstairs and went in my room and locked the door and And I was sitting there counting money. And I was like, oh, shit, that was easy. I was like, oh, God, I didn't just do that. And then I started laughing and I was like, I'm going to do it again. Oh, my God. He's like, that was a good decision.

Oh, my God. He's like, was this OK? This is enough. This is what I need. He said, so then I started doing it. Yeah, almost every week. I was so dumb. I never thought about, you know, I was robbing places where I lived, right around the corner,

you know? He's just, whatever's easiest, most convenient, he'll just go rob it quick. He's not even caught? No. There's no jail time for this. Somehow he doesn't get out of that. Well, he ends up with some other shit here. His mother moved to New York for work when he was in high school.

So in the 11th grade, from then on, he lives alone. In North Carolina. In Atlanta. So he's down in Atlanta here from 11th grade on, 16, 17 years old. By himself. By himself. His mom moved away. Now, he was asked in this interview, and this isn't us saying this, but this his what he's saying and it's kind of hilarious

coming from him um they asked him if it were you in like into like gang activity and stuff or were you just running around and he said i wasn't in no fucking gang he called gangs quote gay i mean i mean this is well this is what he said yeah oh god this is what he says like i said this isn't us this is new jack and he also said this like 15 years ago so whatever he says quote a gang a gang is gay that's like gay you know like i need help that's gay honest to god they are i don't know what that gay about that honest to god they are if you're if you're willing to fucking contend with a cock one-on-one on your own there's nothing fucking weak about that i feel like you're you're a strong man in my opinion

he said honest to god they are you got to have 50 people to help you fight one person and you all dress alike that's queer you know what i mean because i thought the definition of gay was like you're sexually attracted to men yeah no no apparently apparently it's when you gather 50 straight men together dressed alike where they all have to fight one person apparently that turned that's that's the definition of gay i guess i don't know i i was wrong all these years and society i think has been off did gangs did gangbang turn from come from that's what it was a bunch of gay guys right yeah that's what it was 50 guys 50 blood dressed like banging a crib that well no no they're banging each other i think for

the fun of it that's what it's not even just one it's a they didn't all take turns raping that man it was a it was a not really the gang wasn't meant for violence at first the gang was meant to be like a fuck crew at first. You know what I mean? Like just a crew that was down for fucking. Big orgy of bread. And then they were like, while we're here, we should probably sell drugs, too, because we're here anyway. I feel like that's how gangs got started.

You know, hey, when you take your dick out of Bob, will you sell this eight ball up the street? And it was like, cool. And then I'll get a cut and you get a cut. And that's how gangs started. Why do you have a gun? Because I didn't think you were going to let me do this willingly oh yeah jesus i thought i was gonna force myself on you yeah turns out i don't need it let's go rob a store you all gotta dress alike that's queer know what i mean okay not really

then he says quote he's talking about his his manager is eric sims this guy books a bunch of wrestling kind of aftermarket guys like kind of uh guys wrestlers who aren't wrestling anymore he books them for conventions and signings and all this stuff and he says quote if eric came here dressed like me i'd have to go change clothes you know what i mean so he's he is not he's not even like most like he's so pissed off and untrusting of everybody that he won't even join a gang. Because he's like, nah, fuck that shit. I've got to be on my own. And it's weird.

He's very, very angry. That's how dangerous he is, is that he's so much of a man. He calls what we feared when we were children gay. Yeah. Right to their face. And then redefines gay completely. So, yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's a nut.

So, not shockingly here, toward the end of high school, right after high school, I believe, or like the last semester of high school, he is arrested for armed robbery and assault, aggravated assault as well so not terrific he's given a one-year prison sentence out of this that's steep so that's a big deal for him he goes to prison but uh in six he says quote by six months in i got another two i got another two years oh god that's because he got in a lot of fights he's if he's he doesn't he likes to fight i mean he's just a who, if he hears something across the street that might be intended for him, he's not a guy who can be like, who cares? He'll go, what the fuck did you say?

And go back across the street. He's just that kind of guy. He's not taking shit from anybody. He says that he got in fights every day. He was just angry to be in there. And also being young, he had to prove himself. And then he's so fucking angry anyway. So he's like

cool i'll fucking fight anybody i can and you know he's that guy that that's the person that said it is not the instigator because he comes back and you you can't no matter what that person says i didn't say that you're still getting you're still gonna fight right now that's the thing yeah it doesn't matter no he's he's looking for someone to fight you're not diffusing that situation you just gave him what he wanted and he he's like, cool, awesome, it's on now. You're either threatening me or you're backing down either way I'm punching you. And in prison, it wasn't even about having beef with anybody. He says, quote, we'd be in line getting counted, and I'd just run up and knock somebody's ass out.

So, I mean, he's just looking to start trouble. He doesn't give a fuck. so i mean he's just looking to start trouble he doesn't give a fuck um a counselor finally told him that if he behaved for three months that this counselor could get him placed in a halfway house they could work on his behalf for the with the parole and all that sort of thing so he does it and he said i actually said all right she said he said that this woman had been nice to him and uh and she trusted him or he trusted her a little bit and she said give me 90 days of good behavior and i'll get you the fuck out of here. And he said, all right.

And he did it. And this is what ends up happening. So he ends up moving back to Atlanta and enrolling in college, actually, after this. Yeah, because he's still got football. Yeah, that he's pretty good at football. He gets out of prison when he's 21. So he ends up doing, you know, two out two years and change at a young age. And he says that's when he started drinking.

He had never drank really before that. He wasn't a drinker. And then when he gets out, he's like, there's one missing piece to this cocktail. Just one missing ingredient. And that is being fueled by alcohol. I feel like, you know, I need to lose my inhibitions. Obviously, this is out of control. I mean, this guy's obviously just a little too.

He's inhibited. That's all it is. he's a stiff guy you know he's like a guy in a romantic comedy who he's like an accountant and he meets this wild crazy broad who takes him around on the beaches and drinking and fucking on you know in public and shit that's what's going on here white wine so i'm gonna try so that's where he did yeah he starts drinking there uh he goes to clark college which is now clark atlanta university uh they've changed since then he was a defensive back on the football team starts drinking there. He goes to Clark College, which is now Clark Atlanta University. They've changed since then. He was a defensive back on the football team there. So, you know, trying.

Former teammate of his, who is actually a guy named Lieutenant Mike Wilson, who runs the Atlanta Police Department's Fugitive Squad. He said he was on the team with him. He says about Jack, quote, he was a heck of a football player. So, he's got a witness saying he was on the team with him yeah uh he says about jack quote he was a heck of a football player uh so it's got a witness saying he was a good football player uh new jack says quote i'd

hit you so hard that if you got up it made me cry so yeah he was angry he was mad he hit you so hard god damn it he's up and he cried yeah so he decides that he wants to try to play professional football and this is where he goes uh he ends up trying out for the atlanta falcons and he hurts his ankle during a tryout for the falcons and kind of ruins that chance so he says quote after that didn't go through i was just like fuck it i became a bounty hunter yeah that's that's the next step right in this progression that's normal that's different trajectory everything he fucking says is like uh you know uh one two three eighteen right and you're like what where's four did they say what position he tried fucking four he's defensive back he's always like a safety i got it yeah he's like a safety uh

murderer strong yeah because he's a hitter he wants to hit for hire yeah he's coming at you trying to take a take out receivers catching balls over the middle and shit he's a nut he wants to explode jerry rice his heart that's his that's his goal his ultimate goal or back in that day i guess maybe andre ryzen on the falcons in practice probably so but yeah he said he became a bounty hunter actually this is the 80s is before that. But a bounty hunter is what he wants to do, which is interesting. He says that his first time out, you know, bounty hunting. He said he just tackled the guy.

He found the guy on the sidewalk and just ran up and tackled his ass football style. He's worked. Well, he said, quote, he thought he was being robbed. He said, come on, man, just take my money. I said, I ain't trying to rob you, motherfucker. You want it. Which is worse than being robbed, I think. I ain't trying to rob you, motherfucker.

You want it. I'm taking you in. He got a bounty. That's way better. Yeah, that's what I mean. That's worth more than you got in your pocket. Exactly. So this is all through his bounty hunting days. He's got

some problems here he claims and we don't know because it's a hard thing to prove based on the way they file it um he claims that he had four justifiable homicides throughout this period wow being a bounty hunter yeah he claimed he killed four people, all ruled justifiable in the cause of his duty of being a bounty hunter. Yeah, four. That's more than dogs got. That's a lot. One of which I heard him describe in an interview where he basically said he was in his trunk fucking with something, getting a vest of some shit equipment for doing something.

And some dude came up and tried to rob his ass while he had his trunk open and the guy didn't know that he had like five guns laid out in his fucking trunk because he was putting his equipment away and jack said he just came up and fucking blasted his ass a whole bunch of times and that was that was deemed self-defense because he was in the middle of being robbed the other guy had a gun right uh so that was fine he said the other three were in the course of his uh bounty hunting duties Oh, my God. So, yeah, he's willing to. And he was like, I don't give a fuck about that guy. Fuck that guy. No one's robbing my ass.

I was like, I guess not. He was born in the wrong time. Oh, yeah. That would have been a great cowboy. Amazing. Either that. It would have been a great cowboy. Or fuck dog.

I want to watch this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd much rather accidentally watch a robbery that this guy murders him on live tv yeah no shit no shit man or three other people this is fucking crazy yeah come up and try to jack him yeah buck buck buck buck right the fuck what maybe that's why dog didn't have a gun yeah so he carried mace and a taser yeah because he killed somebody so while he's bounty hunting though he's not really supposed to have a gun because he's a convicted felon. But he's got one anyway.

Oh, my God. So he does get arrested. In January 2nd of 86, he's arrested for possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. That's not wonderful there. And, yeah, so he claims that. He also got an aggravated assault. Two counts of that. Felonious aggravated assault, which is in 1989.

This is over the course in a bounty hunting situation as well. So he gets a bunch of charges and murders and God knows what else. I'd like to see how he got away with that. Somebody that shouldn't have a gun. How did you get to murder people with guns? He did it from what he said. I don't know. After this, he's got a knife a lot of the times, we'll talk about and maybe stabbed him even in wrestling um yeah so

while this is all going on bounty hunting's not it's hard for him to do it because he's a convicted felon and he's got you know the gun and all that shit i don't know if he's losing his license or what but uh he said a friend of his who was trying to break into the wrestling business had talked New Jack into training with him. He's like, come train with me. If nothing else, you get in the shape and be in good shape and shit like that. But by the time he started training, New Jack was already in his late 20s. This is not normal for wrestlers. The only time that usually happens is if they were like ex football players like nfl or like a like a goldberg been

in shape a goldberg a steve mcmichael or rock yeah the rock the rock came after college but i mean some of the guys like nfl guys who you know played for years and then were too injured to play in the nfl blew out your knee but you can still wrestle but you can't play defensive tackle anymore you don't have the same drive to go through a guard but you can you know this guy can pretend you right body slammed him that's fine choreographed bounce off a rope yeah and you can still you're huge and impressive looking and strong you could do all the moves and athletic too i mean nfl players are generally athletic even the big ones compared to normal people so he says though he you know he was making a living bounty hunting at that time and uh he says that he's still bounty hunted on the side,

even after his, he was wrestling for a few years. So yeah, he would, he would do that shit when he wasn't wrestling. So yeah, he says about his justifiable homicides, quote for justifiable homicides.

I wasn't proud of it, but it happened. It was either me or them. So that's what he said. And beyond the mat, that documentary from the late 90s there um he does say that uh um you know that the violence wasn't everything he says the bounty hunting was quote it was time consuming i was on the phone doing my leg work i worked on my own i

had my own schedule so yeah it's it's a it's a lot of phone calls and paperwork and like kind of pi work there and then when you finally find someone apparently you justifiably murder them homicide them apparently so uh he says he was never a wrestling fan before at all didn't grow up liking it watching it didn't give a fuck about wrestling never did okay doesn't care see this is there's a few different types of people to get that get into wrestling first of of all, especially like then. And this is the type that doesn't exist anymore in the business. Back in the day, it used to be, like I said, a football player blew out his knee. Now he's going to wrestle or he wasn't good enough to play in the NFL, but he's a great specimen like the Rock.

The Rock wasn't going to be an NFL player, but he's a fucking great wrestler. So, you know, guys like are amazing. Yeah. Well, he had implants put into. Stop it. The Rock has pec implants. Get out of my life. wrestler yeah so you know guys like are amazing yeah guy well he had implants put into stop it the rock has pec implants get out of my life the rock did was embarrassed of his what he called bitch tits i heard i've heard him say that back in the day and that's awesome that's a thing and so he got pec implants yeah that's why they're so impressive most of those how do they do is it like

silicone or you guys get calf implants yeah those? Yeah. These guys are vain, man. Wow. Yeah, they're very vain. His chest is fake. And their bodies their whole life. So you have to, yeah, look at The Rock when he first broke in and then look at him in like 99 and he's got a different chest completely. Wild.

And it's not a... It's not a bitch tits. Arms look the same. Everything else looks the same. Just pecs popping. So different. Those matter tremendously. Yeah, it makes you look thick and barrel chested and shit and gives you depth. Tremendously. Just pecs popping. So different. Those matter tremendously.

Yeah, it makes you look thick and barrel chested and shit and gives you depth. Tremendously. So you have those guys, the football players. Then you have the guys who are like, you have the guys who loved wrestling their whole life, always wanted to be a wrestler, very into wrestling, liked wrestling, like every aspect of it. Just wrestling people. So they'll get into it. Then you have your like amateur wrestler like your kurt angle which this is kind of a rare one which we'll do kurt angles our next wrestling

episode by the way that's a crazy ass story yeah so you have that kind of guy who's like an amateur wrestler who was a great he was an olympic gold medalist who then kind of got talked into coming into the business because there's the word wrestling is in both of those things those guys are tough because they have to completely retrain their brain their whole thing is to grab you and fucking twist you and pull you and all that and it's completely different ropes in that there's no ropes there's no plus you're trying to you're trying to work against the other person with this you're trying to work with them so it's just a complete opposite mindset yeah there's no showmanship in that either no there isn't it's boring as fuck if you watch olympic wrestling on purpose so there's that kind of guy and then you

have kind of like the uh you kind of have like the fringe society guy and that's what new jack is and that's what a lot of guys used to be back then they were literally fringe society guys they were like if it wasn't the carnival if it wasn't bounty hunting they'd be like driving some truck across a fucking ice in alaska so they're just weirdos that there's really no other place for them in the world and we get that in comedy a lot too you get that in comedy and the ones that don't work out in that are fucking fucked because if you can't make it in that weird world like if you don't have the talent you'd have these weird kind of fringe weirdos like i'm talking about of that there's no other place like in comedy there's no other place

for them and if they fail here where do they go boy and like buck zoom hoff was like that remember he's like driving a truck doing a weird trying to he didn't know what the fuck he was doing we've had a bunch of guys like that or they're like uh generational guys their dad was a wrestler because that's what you see a lot too is family in the business it's like the mafia like that the fringe ones create the best story yeah like the they do the just outlandish crap behavior but a lot of times like the the hereditary ones are the craziest stories because the wrestling families fall fucked up the von erics and you know all these people it's a you know it's a mess their families are a goddamn disaster bread coming up in the wrestling business so yeah there's a lot of

death and all that sort of shit involved so yeah you have those guys who whole i mean the rock is whole goddamn families in the business from his grandfather cousins everybody's in wrestling is that why wrestling uh episodes are so much more fun just because to today they're not normal people right yeah that's what they're not your normal person this is not a normal activity to do so it's it's if you do this you're probably a bit of a colorful character and that's why they're always nuts and that's why it's i mean comics are the same way it's not a normal thing to do it's it's that sort of deal so he says though he never was a was a wrestling fan and And he said that, you know, that's what he says later. But then other people say he was a wrestling fan because we talked about that shit.

He tried to play it off like he's cool. Tommy Dreamer, who was from ECW. And Christ, I think he's still around fucking somewhere from the 80s to the 90s. He started in the 90s. He was in WWE and TNA and all over the goddamn place. But he said, quote, We had discussed New Jack watching Dusty Rhodes when he was in Georgia, and we had talked about wrestling. It may not have been his love or his passion, but he was obviously a fan.

I know he said that it was either wrestling or jail at times, but I do know he watched it because he's told me about it. And we were both pretty much marking out when we met Dusty. So he said he was a big Dusty Rhodes fan. And so he's thinking about wrestling it and we were both pretty much marking out when we met dusty so he said he was a big dusty roads fan and uh so he's thinking about wrestling what should he do how should he approach this because you have to have a character and you you have to present yourself so he says quote this is new jack quote i'm watching the movie and i'm thinking about wrestling and i'm thinking about creating a character and i hear the name new jack and it just stayed in my head new jack new jack talking about new jack city right the wesley snipes movie from i think 91 or so 92 91 somewhere

around that even 93 i don't know if it was that late maybe but shit i mean that was a that was a big fucking movie though at the time i remember that was yeah it was in almost every uh hip-hop song everybody rented it like 12 times i think i probably rented it at a shitload when I was a kid. It was just... It's not that great of a movie. Not that great of a movie, but Chris Rock, it was like his kind of a break. It was his biggest role. Before that, he was just in Beverly Hills Cop 2.

Was he in that one? Yeah. The second one? I get $10 for cars, $20 for trucks. What the hell is that? That's right. He was in the valet. Oh, my God. Absolutely. I used to crack it What the hell is that? That's right. He was the valet. Oh, my God.

Absolutely. I used to crack it up at that guy when I was a kid. Holy shit. And then later on, I'm like, that was fucking Chris Rock. Was CB4 after that? I think CB4. Yeah, CB4, I think, was after that. Was that 94?

Probably. I don't remember. Around that time. Probably around when he was on SNL. Another bad movie. We'll have to come think of something. So he said that he started to kind of get a vision of what his character would be in the ring. He wanted to be like a kind of a street wise kind of a dude, like a new Jack City movie character.

Basically, what he was going for. He's trained by a guy named Ray Candy, who was kind of a mediocre talent kind of a guy. He, you know, I mean, he did things, but he was never like world-renowned champion or anything like that. So he ends up starting out in USWA, which is Memphis, Tennessee Wrestling, which is Jerry Lawler. He's the owner down there. We've talked plenty about Jerry Lawler. What a man. He'll have his own episode, too.

Don't worry. We didn't do him yet? No, we did his son. Oh, good. We did his son, and we heard vaguely about how terrible of a guy Jerry is. Oh, boy, oh and uh yeah we'll do that there but jerry's one of those guys that's uh very few guys are around the business that long and that universally disliked by everyone that worked with them like anybody who's like management

all those people like him but all the other wrestlers are like man fuck that guy like no they they say he was a great wrestler and he could get the crowd going and that's great, but as a person, you're like, you don't want to hang out with fucking Joey Lawler. I mean, it's pretty obvious even in those skits with sketches,

whatever, from the late night show with Andy Kaufman. Yeah. Even from those, it's pretty obvious he's a fucking asshole. Yeah, yeah, he is.

He's a dick. I mean, he was meant to do that. He's a dick. But he fucking meant it, I think. Yeah, he doesn't drink or curse. I don't mean come on yeah so i mean right away you know my stance on that if you never curse you're probably a pedophile that's it that's just my stance i'm sorry and it's true unless you're like an old lady but if you're if you have a penis and you never curse and my kids are not coming anywhere fucking near you. I'll tell you that right now. So he does that.

And the never drinking ever thing is weird, too. It's creepy. As a rule, I don't drink that much. But if you're celebrating with a bunch of your friends, let's all have a drink. Nobody has that ever? Just a Coke. He said he's never had a drop of alcohol. That's awful.

So, yeah, that's creepy as far as I'm concerned. of alcohol that's awful so yeah that's creepy as far as i'm concerned so 1994 93 ish 94 he ends up leaving memphis and going to atlanta back kind of where he grew up here and wrestling for the north georgia wrestling alliance which was like an indie promotion at the time he wins their heavyweight championship holy shit which i'm sure was like a made of like a like a wrapper that goes around a snapple bottle, and they put a bottle cap on it, and they're like, here's the belt. There you go. Be careful. It breaks easy. Don't flex your abs.

It's really fragile, so trust me. You want to be careful with that, but it's prestigious still, nonetheless. Be careful with that. But it's prestigious still, nonetheless. So in early 94, he finds a tag team partner who is the wrestler known as Mustafa Syed. And they form the Gangstas, okay, as a tag team. Wait a minute. That's their tag team, the Gangstas.

That's gay. Nujak and Mustafa. Yes. Well, they dropped that, but it was the gay Gangstas at first. And they said, that's not tough we can't do that that doesn't sound tough we can't so uh yeah he he ends up teaming up with him forming the gangsters now new jack see if we could show you all of this if we the live show new jack at this point is adopted he wears like tupac t-shirts or like you know the sleeves cut off and kind of ripped up and like baggy black pants and like you know like boots like the like not like wrestling boots though he's wearing like fucking yeah like

like fucking uh SWAT team kind of boots sort of a deal sometimes or sometimes sometimes wrestling boots but he wears them different like they're looser and he's like some lugs and timberlands seriously where's that sometimes like he's dressing dressing, trying to look like he's just, like, very street. It's not a wrestling outfit. There's no spandex involved in this outfit. I'm here to kill people, legally. And a fucking do-rag on, and looking, these fucking gloves. And once he gets an ECW, he comes in with fucking garbage cans full of weapons.

He's insane. And his partner, Mustafa, is a taller guy. Physically, he looks more impressive, but he has very little charisma, and he wrestles all weird and slow. Jack is the star of the team by far. It's one of those. It's not even a Michaels and Jannetty situation. It's Michaels and who was that other guy? Mustafa's not very good.

So they win the NGWA tag team titles in July 1994, but then they drop them and take the fuck off and they leave. He says, quote, I came up with the black army fatigues and black boots. OJ had just killed everybody in California. So he's like, this was my look for time reference. This was 94. So this was the oj murder and this was basically there was a lot of he's not even given credence to the not guilty nope doesn't give a fuck oh this is yeah no well in 94 killed everybody yeah he was cheats yeah

he's not saying shit about the any fucking court case that's not his concern he knows what happened he's new jack he says quote there was rioting and i said i'll be from south central la my name will be new jack my style will be real slow and aggressive and we don't rap and sing and tap dance mammy we don't do none of that shit that's when i came up with my character and i presented it to the people and they were like yeah, yeah, and I ran with it. So that was what the fuck he's doing. I'm into it. Yeah, right?

Why not? So he then goes to Smoky Mountain Wrestling in Tennessee, which is, I think this is where he, there's conflicting of where he teamed up with Mustafa. But here is where they become kind of more known. Smoky Mountain Wrestling is run and owned by Jim Cornette, who we've talked about a lot. And this was like his wrestling promotion for a few years that he had in the mid-90s there. Now, he says that basically part of their act here

was to taunt white people, which was most of the crowd, because most of the crowd were hillbillies. Because this is Smoky Mountain. This is like they're not doing big city shows. These are small towns, hillbillies, and Jim Cornette, who's from Louisville, and kind of hates hillbillies also, and likes to make the dumb ones and racists

and shit like that. If you listen to his podcast, half his podcast is politics and how much he fucking hates rednecks and all this type of shit so but in a southern accent it's hilarious so he's jim cornett's whole thing is you go out there and piss off these fucking shit kicking hillbilly rednecks by acting as fucking you know just as street as you can fucking act taunt the white people this is great piss them off

you know what i mean so in which jack was like that sounds like fun yeah awesome you know what i mean anything tupac does do that yeah he was like yeah just piss them the fuck off they'll want to kill you you know so and they did and they went through this whole thing uh uh basically one of the this wrestling writer he says quote people didn't want them beaten they wanted them dead so people hated them this area wow yeah because not only are they like outsiders from somewhere else but then they're like these this is my mom god damn it right you know they're pissed off about everything so uh yeah smoky mountain wrestling here uh was very kind of rednecky we'll put it like i said so let's let

jim cornett he says quote uh we got knoxville straight off the bat on the fox station we also got wcyb which was the nbc affiliate in the tri-cities tri-cities by the way is bristol kingsport and johnson city that's not new york city no this is not the try not new york new jersey connecticut this is not New York, New Jersey, Connecticut. This is Bristol, Kingsport, and Johnson City. I assume Tennessee. Tri-cities. Tri-cities. They're trying to be cities.

That's what I mean. They're trying so hard. Technically, the signal up in those mountains went 100 miles in almost every direction. Cable was not that widespread, and a lot of people used antennas in the hills. Cable was not that widespread, and a lot of people used antennas in the hills. So we also got WYMT in Hazard, Kentucky, you know, where the Duke boys are running from fucking Cooter and Cletus. Just Cletus. Cooter was the mechanic.

But yeah. Where there's a car with a rebel flag on it. Oh. And we've got these guys. And plays Dixie as it flies through the air. So we got these guys being as hoodixie as it flies through the airs so we got these guys being as hood as possible that's the thing he said so we had eastern kentucky covered too uh so and that ended up as our territory now uh road dog jesse james who's one of the armstrong family here you might remember him from the late 90s he was a degeneration. He was one of those guys. White guy with braids.

No. And yeah. Little guy. Kind of a littler guy. Yeah. He says, quote, we worked high school gyms in small towns, but they were always packed and they were always the best fans. To some of them, it wasn't just entertainment.

They take their wrestling very seriously. They're very vocal about who they like and dislike. There was a lot of sliced tires and keyed cars these fans were like that is fucked up they still thought it was like 15 years ago where the you know villains had to sneak out in fucking car trunks and shit to not get killed so uh jim cornett had to fight his way out of more than one of those shows yeah he used to load up his tennis racket and just fucking swing it as he went through the crowd you know not to not to uh poo-poo this behavior this would happen today if belichick had to walk out of miami dolphin stadium oh yeah yeah yeah oh yeah if they didn't have a locked up area yeah definitely their bus

would be flat too but the thing is belichick really beat the dolphins that's the difference it's a good point belichick isn't hired just to be a foil for the dolphins fans who then the dolphins eventually beat them that's not how this works that's how wrestling works so they they lost real money betting on the fucking dolphins no one lost anything here but you know that we know of at this point. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's true. So one of the Armstrong boys here, he said, quote, one time my son Scott and I were trying to find a building. We passed this guy who had killed a deer. The deer was strapped up and he was cutting it open at the gut. We got lost in the mountains and came back and he was giving the meat to kids.

And I don't know where the kids came from. There were no houses. Those Appalachian people are a little bit different than everyone else trying to give you the idea of the area here uh sectioning a fucking elk and handing it out to children who are going to who knows where into the into the hollers to fucking bare hands a handful of meat to take here you go mama plunk it on the table i called dibs on the loin the man by the road gave it to me mama i got an elk shoulder so strange tracy smothers he says he's a little more to the point he says quote they were hillbillies it's as simple as that there's a difference

between country people and hillbillies and they were bona fide hillbillies they could get pretty rowdy so yeah uh oh my god this is so fucking great these i could listen to comments about this all night uh dutch mantel says quote up there in eastern kentucky in northern virginia you're back in the hills buddy you're in those appalachian mountains i used to say on commentary a lot of these people have never left this town and bob coddle would say what do you mean i'd say because they don't have a Rand McNally roadmap to know how to get the hell out of this place. They want to leave, maybe.

So Jerry Lawler said there were some backwoods fans, rednecks, and coal miners that would come over from Virginia. These were people that would get involved. It would get scary. Jesus Christ. Here's one about Tammy Sitch, the Sunny, as we know all about she's got problems jim cornett

says this woman in barbersville kentucky grabbed tammy and dragged her on the gym floor by her hair and wrists determined to drag her out of the back of the building she was a huge corn-fed farm woman and brian lee was trying to save tammy without hurting her so these are scary people this is kind of hot that's fucking awesome and here's one more here uh armstrong again one time we were out back and we saw over the hill came an old mule two kids were on the mule they rode up got off slapped the mule on the ass and it went back over the hill and the kids came into the wrestling match what i don't know how they got home they rode their mule to the wrestling matches. That's how they got there in Smoky Mountain.

And then walked home? And then apparently walked home or found another mule. But this is the place that you're going to drop New Jack, who we've just discussed, into. So, you know what I'm saying? This is awesome. Things are going to go awesome. Yeah. So, yeah, the gangsters are good.

Heels and Cornnet tells them to pretty much fucking uh black it up basically hey really piss off the rednecks is how he put it he's got a weird he's got an anti-redneck thing like me with hardcore guidos yeah it's just like the same thing where i'm like you embarrassing motherfucker i swear to god you fuck do you know for every one of you right 10 of us get fucking put in a stupid box you son of a bitch so i think it's the same thing all because of this accent that's it it's the same thing fuck yeah so uh jack said about the whole thing quote i think just us being black and beating up some white boys in tennessee will work putting racism racism in it

might not might be a bit much is what he said we don't have to do he said i don't really have to i could just win a match against a white guy and they'll be mad at me like i don't have to like really piss them off but uh the first uh the first promo in smoky mountain cornet before the camera roll said quote say something to make white people mad say something about oj that was his direction so jack's response in the beginning of the interview was, quote, I want to give a special shout out to my man, OJ Simpson. Keep up the good work.

That's too less to worry about. That's going hard. That is as hard as you could go. That's literally as hard as a, like, never mind in wrestling. Calm down, Ari Shafir. As a person, that's as hard as you could Never mind in wrestling. Calm down, Ari Shafir. As a person, that's as hard as you could go. What are you doing? That's not the words you needed to do.

He said that, and Cornette was like, Oh, fuck yeah. Perfect. They're going to want to kill you people over this shit. Not you people, but you two people. They want to kill you people anyway, but you two specifically. They want to kill you people anyway. But you two specifically is what they're really going to want. I didn't even expect you to go that far.

That was great. Yeah, I don't think that's too less to worry about. That's aggressive. So Jack decided. It couldn't have been worse if he said, like, you should have raped him first or something horrible. He decided he hadn't gone far enough. No. he said that he also wanted to piss the black people off too he didn't want just to be black people rooting for

him and white people rooting against him so he said i need to piss them off too what can i do i'll make fun of martin luther king so he did he made fun of martin luther king so then the n double acp would picket the the the matches but not for anything else but they would picket New Jack they were there to picket one black guy that's awesome because he's making fun of Martin Luther King you're ruining our cause you dick

he cut a promo about Medgar Evers Jimmy what he was talking shit about Medgar Evers unbelievable and then he would say that he liked medgar evers like obviously of fucking hate him well to piss the black people off you would say that and then he'd be like well on the other hand though you know he was good and i wish he would have done whatever the fuck and then he'd talk about oj more and like so he would just be like

who can i i'll piss everybody off with the same thing. He's out of his fucking mind. Yeah. He would also fucking. Yeah, it was wild. He would do. He also said that he should. He wanted to. He wanted to petition the board of wrestling, whatever the fuck it was, the championship committee to make it. So his matches should the gangster matches.

They should be able to win with a two count instead of a three count because of affirmative action. Right. So just to try to piss, yeah. So it's fucking hilarious. And he's just pushing buttons. That's pretty good, though.

It's funny. I like it. So they would run a disclaimer over the gangster interviews. This is not the opinion of the, he does not share the views of the station or the promotion or blah, blah blah jim cornett does not co-sign on this or the station he's the one going say more tell him nicole brown was a was a bitch say she was a bitch and deserved it that's what i want so yeah that's what she gets for wanting ice cream that's fucking crazy

so uh yeah the gangsters ended up that they were feuding well there's not a lot of time to talk about wrestling here it's mainly craziness wow uh they were feuding with the rock and roll express who jesus christ rock and roll express i in our live show i had these two before and after i had like 85 rock and roll express and then 95 rock and roll express and you're like oh god were they different their hair is exactly the same and they're wearing the same outfits but they have shriveled and aged horribly horribly in this 10 years but they're still at the same haircut and clothes on you're just like oh that's just so sad a couple of mayonnaise sandwiches in the sun oh we're yeah exactly we're talking like mullets with like a and a 94 it really wasn't

hung on to it it was bad yeah um so uh the gangsters also they'd feud with like uh the heavenly bodies who was uh bruce pritchard's brother as a matter of fact and uh and uh tony anthony and tracy smothers another one there the dirty white boy tony anthony and tracy smothers had a tag team they were feuding with them um now uh uh what ended up happening here is he ends up leaving his uh he ends up leaving the the promotion here in a minute and there's a big controversy of how that happened but before that happens don't worry on uh January 27th 1996 in Morristown Tennessee he gets into a confrontation with a 14 year old boy at the smoky mountain wrestling show who then the police intervened so he got into an altercation

with them and uh was arrested for that that wasn't part of the show yeah not not good here um he also around this time is arrested in kentucky for he said that, Jesus Christ, this is wild. He said he got arrested in Kentucky. It was a dry county, and he had an unopened St. Ives. And he said, it's fucking not open. I'm allowed to drive through with it. I'm not allowed to drink it. And the cop said that he was arresting him.

This is fucked up if this is true. He said that the cop told him that malt liquor makes black people violent. So I'm taking it from you. Oh, like pardon. Pardon. What? So what year is this motherfucker? Like, whoa, that's violent without it.

Yeah, this that can only calm him. If I'm being honest here, you probably want New Jack to have all the same identity wants. That's amazing. That's crazy. Terrible thing to say out loud. It's fucking horrible. enemy wants that's amazing that's crazy terrible thing to say out loud it's fucking horrible so anyway he goes to ecw which was ecw is the we've talked about it it's the crazy wrestling federation and they did like their extreme championship wrestling i mean they were sure they started

out as a very small tiny doing hundreds hundred person shows and bars that's how they started out and they you know progressed a little from there and then paul heyman comes in and paul heyman really helps kind of boost the the whole identity of the place and they instead they were eastern championship wrestling and then they changed to extreme championship wrestling because it's 1995 and everything's extreme it's fucking extreme but they do have pretty crazy matches they have uh barbed wire baseball bat matches that's extreme oh yeah axel and ian rotten they had these matches where they would hit each other hard with barbed wire rat baseball bats and then when they go to take them out the barbed wire is stuck so you see it all there's flesh tearing and shit coming out the one guy still had scars

on his arm 15 years later his whole arm was mangled from this shit they would do uh barbed wire matches sabu and terry funk had the craziest fucking barbed wire match i've ever seen the ropes are barbed wire jesus christ yeah it's fucking and there's also barbed wire just in the ring like bales of it so at one point uh sabu got his fucking arm sliced to the bone in his bicep, and he just had the guy go get some tape. And he taped it up, and he's like, I'll deal with that later. Finish the fucking match. Doesn't stick well on blood. He did it.

I just wrapped it the fuck up and did it. And it was like, there you go. Good enough. Keep the blood in. Juggalo concert. These guys were nuts, man. They're fucking crazy. And the fans were kind of just as crazy as the like you could take

an ecw look at the ecw show from back then do a freeze frame of the crowd and they show the fucking hard camera from that one side and look at it you will find maybe two women in the entire place it's all just lunatics it's all lunatic like young crazy and it's in south philly is their ecw arena it's fucking insane a couple of women who are crazier they're oh they're the ones to be afraid of they're the fuck yeah they'll stab you in a heartbeat those broads so this is something yeah they are south philly fucking tough chicks so this they're nuts and the matches are weapons there's really like no rules kind of a thing like there's, rules if it's convenient to the match, but I mean, if someone comes in and hits you with a frying pan,

that's a legal move. The crowd started bringing shit. What? They'd just hand people. Yeah, the crowd would hand someone a frying pan. They'd take it and whack the guy in the fucking head with it. I remember New Jack beating Sandman over the head with a Nintendo until it broke into many

pieces somebody brought that a fucking full nes just bashed him on the head till it exploded that hurts now i've been blown in these cartridges for months it doesn't work here you go that's what it is beat him with it with it yeah genesis rules here take this so yeah there's what i get look wrestling's amazing this is crazy this is it's fun to watch some of it this though so when it's the right people much not the bar i don't like barbed wire and shit like that but when you get like sandman sandman is this guy he's out of shape looking yeah he's got a voice like this he chain smokes that's the guy in the ring on the way to the ring he's the guy that steve Austin stole the beer drinker gimmick from.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He drinks like a six pack on the way to the ring, literally. It's awesome. Because they play the entire Enter Sandman song. And he goes through the crowd, snakes his way in, pulling fucking beers out of his pants the whole time, opening them, slamming them, bas his himself on the head with him yeah and throwing him so by the time he gets to the ring he's bleeding from the fucking head he's shit face he just chugged six seven beers and he's got a fucking kendo stick in his hand swinging it at people and yeah he'll stop in the middle of the match sit in the corner

and just reach in and get a cigarette out and light it just start smoking a cigarette in the middle of the match that's impressive it's a pretty fucking interesting character and it's a it was a fun thing to watch and like you know new jack was everybody had like this weird edge to them and like raven was like the grunge guy like he had the flannel tied around his waist with the leather jacket and he was like mopey and like that's and he ended up being that in uh raven yeah he was raven later yeah yeah well in wcw yeah he was raven he had the flock and all that shit yeah so that's what i mean there was all everybody who came and came up with all these kind of characters and you know acquired some of these characters and brought them in and made this totally diff these were characters you wouldn't see

like at the time in the other federations we had you know this was 95 this was just named some shit characters they had fucking abe knuckleball schwartz was a character who used to be the brooklyn brawler and he had a his face was painted like a baseball stupid stupid they had the goon who was a hockey player he was one of the irwin brothers i can't remember which one died so scott or bill one of the two i think this was scott if i'm not mistaken because bill was the better one and he died okay so scott had played hockey at some point in his life so this is a hockey themed guy who comes out and his boots are like shaved on the sides at the bottom so they look like skates so they're like angled oh my god that's how stupid that is The Godwins who are hillbillies. Fucking, that was one of the teams Sonny managed.

Duke Dumpster Drosey, who's a fucking garbage man. That was his gimmick. He came in the ring with a garbage can. Like, hey, everybody. And his coveralls and shit. Like, what is happening? Yeah. You know, it's so fucking.

Pretty dumb. Vince is obsessed with hillbillies, too. He got more hillbillies. People can relate to them. We're going to Kentucky. pretty dumb vince is obsessed with hillbillies too he got the more hillbill upset people can relate to them we're going to kentucky their cans of beer and broken down pickup trucks in their front yard that's america that's america that's what i'm showing you right here it's a baseball on your face on your face because it's america's game it's better than mantar oh yeah mantar was this fat guy they dressed up to be half man half fucking mythical beast thing

right so he came with a giant giant paper mache head on his head with a big bowl thing on it right and he couldn't get through the ropes his first match he tried to get through the ropes and he can't get the fucking the fucking mask is stuck on it and shit it's pathetic this is the type of shit that was going on at this time so stupid gimmick because that's yeah entirely backward it's supposed to be the body of a horse yes that's what i'm saying but no he had the head of one and it was so fucking stupid so that's what i mean it's just dumb like that's what's going on there so if you're like a teenager at the time who like liked wrestling when you were a kid but then it got kind of corny like me as a kid i loved wrestling and then about 1990 91 you know it was just kind of 11 12 just aged out of it and i just wasn't

really it was kind of like it's weird now it's just it was just and plus it got real cartoony at that point as far as like there was all these bright colors and it was just different so there were cartoons about it by then that were pretty popular even in the 80s there was those but by the 90s it had everything was like fluorescent fucking colored in 1992 everything was like pink and green and it just wasn't my thing it was for like little little kids it seemed like like for five-year-olds or something my little brother liked it do you believe macho man and ultimate warrior for that shit ultimate warrior product it was that a product of it? It was just a product of it. And then everybody, just that early 90s, everything was fluorescent colors and fucking bleach

mullets. Right. And it was a weird thing. Weird shapes. So I wasn't into it that much. But then when ECW came around, I remember my cousin showing me a tape of it because it was on Madison Square Garden channel at like three o'clock in the morning on Saturdays. Like it was, you know, he would like set his VCR for it and record it.

So it was like it wasn't like anything you could find easily. And he would show me this and they showed me Sandman like smoking in the ring. I'm like, what the fuck is this? And they're hitting each other with weapons. They're hiding this at 3 in the morning? Yeah, I'm like, this is crazy. Put this on at 5. Yeah, this is fucking awesome.

So anyway, New Jack says that the company had a security guard who was a six foot eight 400 pound black guy known as big motherfucker that's everybody called him and uh yeah he said that nobody ever bothered the guy because he's a giant big motherfucker so he just left him alone and new, though, decided he wanted to fuck with the guy. So Paul Heyman says, quote, he stood on his tippy toes and got right in Big Motherfucker's face. He started screaming about him, about how Big Motherfucker now worked for the white man and how he had sold himself out, his family and his people. And what I loved about it most is that the fire and ferociousness of the passion was so genuine that to this day, I can't tell you if he was performing or not. So I don't know if he was fucking with him. Serious.

You never know with New Jack. That's the thing. You have no fucking idea what's going on here. But we do know that it's not hillbilly. So that's good. So, oh, by the way, T.L. Hopper is another character who was a toilet, a fucking plumber who fixed toilets.

T.L. Hopper, you know, like a hopper, like the shitter. That's what they were. Gross. Yeah. People want to clean toilets. What is Vince thinking? People are going to want to clean toilets. The kids of the future will all clean my toilets.

I'm going to train them. We're going to get the working class people. Yeah. People that love baseball that clean all sanitation, whether it's trash or toilets. Those are the people that I want watching this. Obviously, yeah. I need their mascots. That's what it is.

He just was like, what jobs do people have? Right. That was the 90s. Literally, what do people do out there? An insurance sale. It'll be hard to tell by looking at him. But a garbage man, he can have a garbage can. And we'll send him to the ring with a plunger. And we'll paint a baseball on his face and make his boots look like hockey skates for the goon.

This is perfect. We need two more spots. Two more. Tag team of hillbillies. It's a tag team of two pig farmers. They're pig farmers. And they have slop. And they slop people with it. And that's exactly what he was putting out at the time.

Unbelievable. And he was wondering why his business was going in the shitter, whereas ECW is getting more popular. So anyway, yeah, he starts bringing all these fucking... He brings a shopping cart full of weapons to the ring. New Jack. I'm sure. A stolen shopping cart. Shopping cart full of weapons to the ring. New Jack. I'm sure. A stolen shopping cart. Shopping cart full of weapons.

And it's everything you can imagine. Signs from the street. Fucking a pipe. Just things. Crazy weapon things. You know, he's billy clubs and steel chairs and all this crazy shit. Yeah. So he said, quote, we had to do weapons match one night.

And it went over so well that we decided to do it every night. That's how it started. It was different, and I enjoyed it. And, yeah, he was. He was doing all this shit. But here it was different, because Philly, if you're like that, the people like you. They're not like, oh, we hate those black people. They're like, fuck yeah, kick them in the fucking face.

I don't care what fucking color you are, as long as you're doing what they want. So Bill Behrens is a wrestling writer guy. He said, quote, we had gotten Jack Heat in the South by being a, quote, uppity black guy. Made him popular. It was like that was what they were for those hillbillies. But that made him popular in the Northeast. He was a face, a good guy. He was different.

He was honest. And yeah, the Northeast, especially back then right as a teenager i saw that guy i was like fucking cool this guy's fucking awesome it's like tupac is fucking bashing people with a goddamn fucking garbage can this is great this is the best of both worlds here it's fantastic so uh yeah it's it's it's very silly so he says quote one week I was suspended. He got suspended for showing up late or not showing up at all or whatever. He says, quote, I'm laying carpet at home, putting the carpet pad down with a big staple gun. I was like, that would be good in a match.

It's got half inch staples. So during the match, I pulled it out, grabbed a guy by the head and stapled him in the head with it oh my god this becomes his that's his thing what he does he'll staple things to people's heads to show that he actually stapled something oh yeah uh he said quote i like using the staple gum gun well no shit uh obviously here so yeah he said he showed up the next time told the guy they were working with that he was going to use it the guy didn't even know if he was serious but he was in the face in the head yeah oh my god yeah right in the forehead bink he'll just your bones right there oh yeah you don't need a half inch right in your fucking head oh my god all the time he does that shit um yeah oh sweet jesus so yeah he says quote mike awesome who was a he was the champ of ecw at one time i think he

committed suicide a few years ago he's one of the dark uh guys he was a guy he used to do these matches with this uh japanese guy tanaka and they used to both have chairs and they would just fucking take turns bashing each other until their chairs broke like punch for punch yeah but till their metal chairs broke apart, and they were real chairs that people were sitting on. They're not doctored, and they would just do it until the bolts broke and the fucking things.

That's how hard they would bash each other. So you can imagine a bit of brain damage. Mike Awesome asked me not to staple him. I just told him it's not going to hurt. He still didn't want to do it, but he took it. They all did, even if they were being a bunch of pussies about it.

Call me a pussy. I'm fine with it. I don't want to get stapled. Okay, so ECW is really gaining popularity. They're even talking about running a pay-per-view, which is a big deal in kind of how you make money in the 90s and wrestling is that's all your revenue comes from pay-per-view. They're just

running monthly shows that are that they're releasing on vhs like every month is a different name for the show cool it's you know a culmination of some feuds right it's like their little monthly pay-per-view they just release them whatever it's like anal whores nine there'll be another there'll be another one so grace this is grace here just about to take off yeah because New Jack almost fucks the entire thing up for everybody. Really? Yeah, this is one where it really helps to have the pictures here. But November 23rd, 1996, in Revere, Massachusetts, there's a guy who comes in, basically, to start from the beginning here. Somebody doesn't show up.

Axel Rotten is supposed to be in this match, and he doesn't show up, okay? It's a tag team match, the Gangsters versus, I think, Devon Dudley, and it was supposed to be in this match and he doesn't show up okay it's a tag team match to gangsters versus i think devon dudley and it was supposed to be axel rotten axel rotten doesn't show up uh so they need another guy this happens in wrestling a lot so they tell everybody that that's like a hangers-on always have your gear with you you never know when you're gonna you know called up you never know something could happen so there's this kid there this big 400 pound white kid uh calling himself Mass Transit. He's dressed like a bus driver.

That's what he is. He's got a bus driver uniform. Like a big Ralph Cramden fat fuck, basically. From Boston. From this area, yeah. And he's there with his father. And he's also there with a midget wrestler who is very well-known in the business who was kind of vouching for him. And this kid said he was trained by killer kowalski yeah who killer kowalski in the business is a

legend and also ran a school for a very long time that produced a triple h as a killer kowalski guy so yeah produced a lot of superstars so if someone says i was trained by killer kowalski you go that guy i'm probably ready to step in the ring then that's a good thing so uh anyway uh now what ends up happening is uh basically he uh he he mass transit comes in and they said okay we're gonna put you in this match and basically you're just you're gonna get the shit beat out of you you're just fodder basically they're gonna fuck you up good and you're the guy that's gonna get beat so none of our real guys get beat whatever so uh now basically what jack says the transit mass transit said to him this kid now when you're a wrestler and you're new especially if it's your first

match and first match in a promotion you shut the fuck up that's your job and you wait for the veteran guy to tell you what you're gonna do if anything you say to them it would be what would you like to do out there that's the only thing you If anything you say to them, it would be, what would you like to do out there? That's the only thing you're allowed to say to them. Not, I want to do this and that. This is day one, soldier. You don't know what you're doing, so you let me tell you what to do, motherfucker.

And then when you know what you're doing, you tell someone else what to do. So this guy doesn't quite have that down. And he sits down and he says, look, I'm from this town. My family's here. I know I got to do the job, which means to lose. I got a couple of spots I want to get in and I want to get color.

Getting color means to cut yourself to bleed. Okay. But I've never done it. Will you do it? Oh, he asked New Jack. Now, New Jack said, quote, I said, gladly. You're asking the right guy. He said, no problem. I'll, gladly. You're asking the right guy. He said, no problem.

I'll do it. He said, quote, him even talking to me was the offense because he should have been over there waiting for me to come over there and tell him, quote, this is what we're going to do. He just get in there, I'll drive, and you get in the back seat. That's the veteran thing. You come over, I'll be over here. Whenever you want to tell me to go over the match,

I'll be here waiting for you. And you wait for the veteran to come to you. He went over there. Listen, I'm going to do this and that. And I want to get color. And Jack's like, all right, motherfucker. So basically, New Jack said he did a fuckload of coke before this match because he was pissed off. And coke makes him all. He likes to do coke before he goes to the ring.

And you could see it in his eyes. He's like a fucking maniac when he comes out. Weapons go in fucking. And the music they're playing too they had the uh natural born killer by dr dre the it's loud and he's fucking coke crazed and he's swinging weapons if you're in the ring and you're unsure of you know if you're a new guy you're frightened by this whole exhibit you're asking that man to cut you open. Yeah. Well, here's what happened. They get in the ring and they're beating the shit out of this guy.

And I guess this is the point where, and you could see some of these moves are like, Jesus, they're laying him in. I mean, they're not pulling off on him. When they do an elbow smash, they're fucking driving it into him. Both of them. Yeah, they're trying to make it look good because fuck this guy. He's a new guy. There's more than one person kicking his ass yeah it's him and

his partner him and new jack and and mustafa are kicking his ass it's a tag team match okay so he's got somebody else on his team yeah but they're just letting him get his ass just having a cigarette his job is to get his ass kicked here so new jack uh whoa uh he had what he brought to the ring was what he called a, quote, scalpel on a stick. That's what a scalpel is. Yeah. It was taped to a stick so he could hold it in his hand. And he said, quote, it looked like a knife because it had so much tape around it. So it's a lot of tape.

And then there's a scalpel sticking out of the fucking top. Oh, worse than that. It'll slice you. So what he does is New Jack jack rather than give a little you know little cut uh to the forehead he just sliced him yeah bad let's talk about it he says quote when i was sticking him at first because he was so because his face was so fat it wouldn't nothing would come out and then the cocaine said, stab him. Oh, my God. So I and then he made this like noise.

And he said, so I and gave him a happy face up by the eyebrows. Oh, my God. Yeah. Instead of like a jab. He you're supposed to just do. Yeah, you do like above, you know, in the hairline, you're supposed to do like a little maybe an inch from side to side. So it goes along with the lines in your face.

Otherwise you end up like dusty roads with those fucking rivers up and down in your fucking head. You're supposed to do that. And then it bleeds. And especially if your heart's pumping and you're sweating, it mixes with the sweat. It looks good. What he did is start at one side of the forehead and fucking slice it all the way over to the other down to the bone. Oh, fucking scalpel.

Let's hear New Jack talk about it. And I showed stills of him doing this in the live show. And it was, fuck, my forehead stings. Oh, it's bad. New Jack said, quote, it was laid open. You could actually see his skull. He was screaming. And I was like, like damn i fucked that white

boy up i was like damn i was jealous i was like i ain't never got color that good by the way blood was and you can see it on the and it's it's a shitty like handycam footage blood is squirting from not falling out squirting out of his forehead from a laying down position he sliced his whole fucking forehead it is disgusting sit still he's in a puddle of blood it's horrible uh still i'll staple it shut yeah that's i'm surprised he didn't um so he said uh wow uh i ain't never got color that good ha ha oh my god no and then mustafa went to punch him and came back and said damn you cut that boy deep and i said i know i said i just don't give a fuck if he bleeds to death at that point i knew i was in

trouble just go with it you done committed a crime oh my god so fuck it keep going and then after that after he's laying there then mustafa came off the fucking top rope with a chair on top of him too it was fucking disturbing but the paramedics came yeah uh he almost died this kid from blood loss i mean blood was squirting out the paramedics came they got an ambulance and this wasn't like the wrestling paramedics these were like real paramedics fucking ambulance and stretcher and trying to pd it's it's crazy well yeah that's where it gets crazy um then um he says quote apparently he was only 17 he wasn't even an adult he stabbed up a child yeah so the dad screams quote he's only 17 and new jack screamed back at the dad who was at ringside while the kids bleeding. Quote, you shouldn't have put him in here with me then.

He's got a point. Fair enough. Fair enough. And he's like, and the crowd at this point is getting like, whoa, like the crowd isn't really with this shit because it's gotten like you can see blood squirting in the crowd starting to get like, oh, boy, this is not OK. There's a huge pile of blood puddle. This is gross. This is not okay. There's a huge pile of blood puddle.

This is gross. So Jack is just walking around the ring in a fucking coke haze with a scalpel out, just shouting shit at the audience and trying to piss him off, saying that he didn't come all the way to Boston to lose to a cracker. And then he puts his foot on dude's stomach even more and starts shouting. I don't give a fuck if he bleeds to death to the crowd. He's shit. You're gonna so then members in the audience started chanting blood blood blood blood and you fat fuck at the dude on the floor bleeding to death that's boston that's well that's ecw that's just ecw you fat fuck is a normal chant for them say chant you fat fuck at a lot of people

so they're chanting blood blood blood and you fat fuck at this kid as he's bleeding to death and his father standing at ringside. Wow. Yeah. So Paul Heyman says that he thinks New Jack maybe went a little too far in this cutting. He also says that basically that the dude's reaction who got caught may have contributed to it looking far worse than it was. It doesn't matter how he reacted. It's squirted, bro. It's disgusting.

He said, quote, but the kid panicked and started screaming. The kid was bleeding pretty bad, but it was from the forehead, which always looks bad, but it's not life-threatening. It is if you bleed to death. It looked like if you took a fucking big gulp of blood and just poured it on the mat around his head. That's what was around the mat. I mean, it was squirting. I mean, he could have bled to death.

It was very, very bad here. So, you know, he says Heyman still stands by him, stands by New Jack in this incident. Yeah. Now, is he sorry about this after he comes down from the co-case? Well, let's find out. He says, this is New Jack, quote, I would never apologize for what I did to him or his family because I did it on purpose. I meant to do it. Do I feel sorry for it?

No. It was good for the sales of my DVD. But do I feel sorry? Do I? But do I feel sorry for it? No. And I'm not. And I'm just true to myself.

And I'd be lying to myself if i said that i did i don't feel sorry for i don't feel sorry that i did it i wouldn't look at it now and say damn that was somebody's child because if my son had gotten in the ring and let somebody cut him i would have said well first dumbass you're supposed to do it yourself and secondly don't ever let the other guy do it so wow yeah he would have said what the get color on your own down because all this gets this kid wanted to cut his own forehead he could have but he asked new jack to do it and he said but okay when did he say that what this was later this is way later fucking 10 years later so i regret it fuck no fuck him i feel like that's

some really really terrible disposition uh dep, deposition words, right? No, this was like 2007. He said this shit. Uh, so Jesus Christ. So yeah, Heyman says that, uh, Paul, Paul Heyman's deal was, he said that, uh, described mass transit as quote, he was big, about 400 pounds, a fat white kid, about five, nine big blubbery guy from Rhode Island. He was dressed up like a bus driver.

He called himself Mass Transit. He had a phony resume, and he was illegally working some shows in Rhode Island, but the referee never knew it. The kid came in with a midget guy called Tiny the Terrible, a pretty well-known wrestler. I asked Tiny, you know this guy? And Tiny said, yeah, he's one of Kowalski's top students and had been wrestling for a couple years.

Sure, I'll vouch for him. So I put him out there with divan against the gangsters before the match new jack says to him do you want to cut uh do you want to cut a blade the kid says no can you do it for me it wasn't really done that often that you would let someone else cut you but it wasn't so out of practice that it was a heinous violation of the wrestler's code because this does happen sometimes because there's been guys that have been afraid to do it and said hey will you do it but it's never a new guy with someone like new jack it's always like you know if you had rick flair and you never did it before you could trust flair to do it but or you know somebody like that uh you know a top wrestler but fucking new jacks are coked up lunatic five nine four hundred pounds

yeah he was a big he looked like a big bar he looked like a big white ball if you look up mass transit wrestler you'll see him like his face looks like it looks like a fat suit almost that's dangerous it's yeah exactly it's it's really fucking bad so and by the way do you want to cut a blade means they take a razor blade and they cut yeah they'll cut little tiny squares off it's like keeping the wristband to do it with and he was offering it to him you want to cut up a blade which was a nice gesture i had a blade if you want to cut it up and this kid said no you do it yeah so this kid coolest is his name uh coolest and his family later did an interview with inside edition and they showed footage of you know everything that happened cutting him and

berating him and all this type of shit. And the segment, though, really depicted like coolest as a totally innocent, like he was drawn in. Like ECW went on the street and talked him into it or something. Not he came in and lied and gave a phony resume. So, yeah, he did say, though, that Paul never asked for any ID from him, which probably should ask for some ID from him. But Paul said there was a wrestler that I know vouching for him. And the kid's father was there saying he's 18. So the other thing he's like, what the fuck?

You know, your dad, not us at that point. Yeah. Your dad is your ID. So anyway, the story was completed. And then the coolest is launch a lawsuit at everybody.

And yeah, basically that's how that worked. And so what ends up happening is uh they were supposed to have a pay-per-view this gave ecw national attention in a terrible way and the pay-per-view company no longer wanted to have their pay-per-view on on tv so this really fucked everything up bad and so basically he had to kind of be put on the back burner for a little bit new jack so hayman could try to repair everything with the pay-per-view companies. New Jack says, quote, I didn't get fired, but they took me off the pay-per-view.

I couldn't go back to Boston for a couple of years. That was basically it. Fucking. So he's asked, what was going through your mind during the match? And he said, quote, I was high. I didn't care. Didn't matter to me. The fucking fans loved it.

I thought it was great. there's that um yeah uh let's see hayman says quote he's a nice guy if you're friends with him but if you don't know him and he's and he's sober or if he's been drinking and you say something stupid to him he's gonna let you know uh he's gonna let you know and make it confrontational so if he's drunk or sober anytime there, he says there were a lot of walls he was putting up to protect himself from the pain he'd suffered. You're only going to get within 10 steps of Jerome Young's soul. There's walls up that are just never coming down, not even for himself, which is actually really smart. Heyman's a smart guy, and I think he nailed New Jack really well there. which is actually really smart. Heyman's a smart guy,

and I think he nailed New Jack really well there. He's also in Beyond the Mat at this point, that wrestling documentary, where he is portrayed as a really interesting, like, affable dude. Really? Yeah, the guy loved him. The director, he loved New Jack.

Does he know? Not really, but he just loves the guys, because New Jack, when he's just hanging out, he can get along with anybody. He's personable he's real funny if he's not like trying to be mean or all coked up or anything he's just a real easygoing kind of funny dude so these two got along the director and him got along they show him like in a convertible in la like hanging out fucking laughing and he thinks that new jack there's something about new jack just something about him that he thinks maybe new jack could be an actor based on the way he just is so he takes new jack to the to like casting agents and has him read all this shit and afterwards the one guy's

like i think you know this is a casting guy he's like i think you know i i could see him not like the lead but like denzel's friend you know what i mean like i could really see that with this guy and the whole fucking deal. Sure. They talk about his justifiable homicides and all that. But it gets New Jack some notoriety on a national level by this doc, because this documentary was a theatrically released. It wasn't.

Yeah, it wasn't a little thing. It was a the fuck is the guy who made it? It's a director, though, that was not doesn't do wrestling shit normally. He just made this as a documentary. Like Amazon or something. Oh, it's on everything. It's on somewhere. But it was like,

97 too was the time when wrestling was just so mainstream that it was like, what's the deal with this shit? So anyway, late 1997, Syed, Mustafa Syed,

splits from New Jack and the gangsters and goes to, leaves ECW and takes off. And basically, New Jack said about that, he didn't give a shit if Mustafa left. And basically, Nujak said about that, he didn't give a shit if Mustafa left.

He said, he told Mustafa, if you got a problem with the way this team goes, this is what you need to do. Quote, show up, be black, and collect your fucking check. Other than that, shut the fuck up. My team, shut the fuck up, is what he said. Show up, be black, and collect your fucking check. I'll bet you Jerry Jones has said that and collect your fucking check i'll bet you

jerry jones has said that before but scarily enough i bet you're probably right so he continues to do well though he's beating the shit out of people with chairs he even gets a little wrestling figure at this time really which i think we have over there do we we have it it's right the second shelf oh there it is over there to your left there next to the yeah we have a uh new jack that someone sent us after the live show it's a great figure too it's pretty awesome so uh yeah he uh so he's not on the ecw's first uh pay-per-view and he said people came up to me and asked where were you working in japan he says i wasn't in japan i was in jail and so he would tell people and that would make his character even more right um he did say that his mother got angry at one point he says quote my mother is a mark which

means a fan that doesn't know that it's fake uh basically my mother's a mark when we were in smoky mountain and we did stuff where we were arrested she understood it was an angle but when we came to ecw and did that thing where we jumped public enemy, the next week, Joey Stiles said Jerome Young and Jerome Mustafa had been arrested. My mama phones me when she sees this and thinks I've been in jail. I told her it was an angle. And she says, no, they used your real names. You was in jail. I kept trying to explain.

But to this day, she believes I was in jail last year. That was from back in that time. 1998 comes around. Junkyard Dog comes in for a minute. I don't know if you guys remember Junkyard Dog, but one of the biggest stars of the 80s. He was a cool motherfucker, too. He'd come in, and he had like a million Mr. T-gold chains. And the way he would talk, too.

He was very much, when he started out down south, he was like fucking the black people down there. He was like the hero and then all the white people loved him too because he's just a fucking awesome guy with hogan's uh cartoon and oh yeah it was jay yeah it's junkyard dog so junkyard dog apparently comes in uh to the ecw to do like a little shot or whatever how much does he hate him well um basically new jack says that he gave dog some weed because i gave him some weed i fronted it to him and he never paid me back he says quote he put on this show we did a pay-per-view he called tommy rich's house because they were having a cookout and i told him i want my money and he

said i ain't paying you nothing and i said all right you better pay me my fucking money so when we showed up at the show and he was there first i didn't say anything to him he bowed up at me i let it go i went in the back and put all my stuff down paul paul hayman offered to pay three hundred dollars for junkyard dog just to not have him murder him in the dressing room i'm sure it was less than that here's three hundred dollars yeah but jack said um i don't want it from you i want it from him and he said quote i i said i don't want no check from you i said he gonna pay me so he showed up and he said he didn't have it he let me know he wasn't gonna pay me i ain't paying you nothing i'm the dog and i said all right i have a pinky ring on and i hit him and cut him right on his

right cheek he had a he had to change clothes before he went to the ring because his shirt was bloody then a couple weeks later he died and they blamed that shit on me holy shit he got in a car accident a couple weeks later is that right yeah he did he got in a car accident i believe going to his daughter's graduation oh that's fucked up and died yeah died in the car and they're going to graduate yeah so they blamed him he's like i blame me for that shit so uh it's at this point that he is doing crazy diving things basically he says there he's he starts diving off of the balcony which is pretty fucking high yeah and he's using that like because in ecw you could go fight outside the ring so he dragged a guy all the way back to the balcony beat him up get him down then climb all the way the fuck up to the

balcony which is 20 feet plus and fucking do a splash on top of him from up there that which is both crazy for him and crazy for the guy below so that's what he was doing though that was his bet on this guy not slamming all his weight on me he is gonna slam all his weight on he's coming from 25 feet up. He has to break his own fall. Yeah, you got a brace for it. And hope he doesn't miss. Hope he doesn't land on your head instead of your chest.

Or your neck. Or hope he doesn't miss for his sake completely. So, yeah, it's a whole deal. So this becomes a, like, it's his big flashy thing that he does. But Paul Heyman starts requesting it from him. Hey, are you going to dive tonight? So then he's like, no, I ain't diving. Once they want him to dive, he doesn't want to fucking do it anymore and the dives are really crazy like they're scary and so finally paulie starts offering him money to dive like i'll give

you 300 bucks if you dive tonight so then he'd be like all right like i was a dive anyway but i told him no so he'd give me money fuck it so uh anyway mustafa comes back for a while new jack beats him a little bit uh he says the first balcony dive he says was uh versus the dudleys who've been around forever and he says quote i almost missed it was embarrassing i put him on the table and put him back uh put him back too far so when i did the jump i realized i was gonna fall short i hit him but i didn't hit him like i wanted to but it went over. And so, yeah, people jumped off a fucking balcony onto somebody. They didn't care if he hit him or not.

That was crazy. Yeah. So, yeah, this is at the time, Colt Cabana, who has a popular podcast, who's a hell of a nice fucking guy who we like him a lot. He said he was growing up at that time. And when he saw new jack dive off the thing he said that made him his favorite wrestler at the time he said that's what i thought made a good wrestler diving off balconies i couldn't wait to be a guy that dove off balconies

my friends and i would dive off our roofs just do it and that was influenced by new jack yeah he's jumping off houses because of this man that's what i mean yeah uh here's a guy uh like a kind of indie wrestler who's been around a while he says when i was a kid i'd be at the ecw arena you'd hear the music hit and the place would go insane nobody's sitting down nobody's worried about getting hit with shit the balcony dives were what made him it was the aura and the essence and uh he says they said well you're always high during these matches and he said a lot of times i was yeah he said to dive off the balcony he needed to be i'm sure fucked up he said uh they said could you have done those balcony dives if you were

sober and he says i probably could have did i want to no that ain't gonna happen uh he says that his coke habit was never a problem though a lot of wrestlers would complain about the fact that he was always fucking too high and violent he says quote a lot of people were high they wouldn't admit it but i was like it is what it is i did it they were like fucking new jack is high again new jack on drugs again fucking right i was fucking right okay he said that paul heyman never stopped him from wrestling under the influence he said quote he encouraged it he knew i was doing it he wanted to see him do crazy shit that's why uh he said they asked paul heyman about it he said quote that's a vague statement and i couldn't

respond to that that is very lawyerly paul that is pretty impressive um so yeah he would get extra money and all that sort of shit um and uh yeah that's the sort of thing now new jack said he started doing this when he was a kid he said when my mom would get off work i thought it was funny to get up on top of the house she'd drive up into the driveway and i'd dive off the top of the house right in front of her car she'd get out and beat the shit out of me so well yeah yeah that's fucking uh that's hilarious here uh now he claims we don't know if this is true or not but he claims that wcw wanted him at this point he claimed because this was when master p was in wcw doing a thing and he said that master p wanted

him in his group but that the people in wcw said they had heard bad things about new jack and they wouldn't hire him well yeah that's why master p wants him yeah that's what i mean he's master p's brother is a convicted murderer this dude's legit yeah so now may 1999 he is charged with assault and battery and possession of a dangerous weapon resulting from the mass transit thing they finally charge him really yeah they actually do charge him uh In court, his attorney argues that Coolis was injured in a, quote, quote, choreographed and planned match, and that basically they asked him, well, why didn't you defend yourself in any way if this was such a horrible

onslaught and wasn't planned? So the Coolis kid testified, I wasn't safe in the ring, and I wasn't safe out of the ring. Where was I to go? I didn't know what was going on. So basically the whole problem was then you have a jury going, well, how much of wrestling is real?

How much is fake? How much is plan? Like in every other case, they don't fucking know. So, uh, he says, uh,

this is the, uh, district attorney here to you, me and the jury to determine what's real and fake and wrestling is impossible. He says, even the police at the match were unaware of this was anything but part of the show. They never know what determine what's real and fake and wrestling is impossible he says even the police at the match were unaware this was anything but part of the show they never know what the fuck's

real so on june 3rd 1999 he was acquitted of assault there uh yeah he always goes and takes to trial by the way he's not fucking around he says quote did it and got away with it, free like OJ. Free. All day. Yep. That's what he says. He promptly adopts a new slogan, not guilty, and puts a big sign on the front of his grocery cart full of weapons that says not guilty on it and wheels it into matches. And a little plastic spot where the ad is for the book.

Yeah, not guilty. Wow. So next is a thing that happens to him, March 12, 2000, against Vic Grimes. Now, I don't know if it was against or with, but either way, Vic Grimes here. Back in the earlier Vic Grimes, we have to New Jack is injured bad in this in this or in this era falling with Vic Grimes. Vic Grimes is a pretty big guy, pretty big wrestler. They are, I don't know if they're handcuffed together or holding each other's wrists, I can't remember, but either way, they're supposed to jump off the balcony together.

And Jack is like, all right, one, two, three, and we're gonna fucking jump. And the guy goes, I can't do it. And he goes, motherfucker, one, two, three, jump. We gotta do this shit. The crowd's waiting, let's do it. One, two, three, jump.

And he says, as New Jack jumped, the other guy, he didn't jump with him. Oh, fucking jerk. And New Jack had him by the wrist, like, let's go, motherfucker. But he didn't, he like three, jump. And he says, as New Jack jumped, the other guy, he didn't jump with him. And New Jack had him by the wrist, like, let's go, motherfucker. But he didn't. He paused.

So he ended up, Jack fell, and this guy fell on top of him, crushing Jack's skull against the concrete. Oh, he said he had fluid leaking out of his eye. He was legally blind in one eye. I think he still is. It's all red still. He had headaches for years, he said. I mean, it cracked his fucking skull open. He said it was a fucking nightmare.

So he hates Vic Grimes for this shit. Hates his fucking guts. Hates him as a wrestler. But in the independent wrestling scene, him versus Vic Grimes is a match that people want to see because they know Jack hates him because he fell on his fucking head. So it's one of those deals. So this was in 2000s when he suffered brain damage, knew Jack did, falling off and blinded in his right eye it was. It was 15 feet he fell onto his head, which is terrible here. And yeah, it was awful. So he was in bad shape here and made him hate fucking vick grimes and uh

there's great because i in the live show i said he hates him and i had a picture of him stapling vick grimes forehead like don't you wish you could just staple people's foreheads at work if they pissed you off it'd be nice fucking kathy from a cat i am gonna staple her forehead i'm gonna staple a report right to her forehead i swear to christ i can't take it anymore i'm gonna open her forehead yeah no shit so uh uh 2000 here on a tv show uh uh called uh where the hell is this uh what is this here oh yeah yeah okay there we go so uh this guy here so he uh new jack ends up on a show he does a tv show in 2000 where he plays a bounty hunter it's on an episode of a show called early edition which it's uh basically this guy gets tomorrow's newspapers today so he knows what's going to happen yeah there's just a guy who goes out

opens his apartment door and gets the newspaper and it's tomorrow's newspaper so he he has all the future yeah that headlines like that show he doesn't know why i don't know uh three episodes yep it didn't last very long enough for me to place bets and then retire that's it done bye what that's dumb show let's see who won tomorrow that's pretty easy who's gonna win later today and you'll never see me it's just a back to the future situation at that point here. Right, exactly. Yeah, so he plays a bounty hunter. Jack does. He also is in the Anarchy Rules video game, the ECW video game, which is cool. You could be new Jack.

He also, this is perfect for him, by the way, he appears on Maury, Maury Povich's show, in a scared straight segment as like one of the, you don't want to go to prison and see me, motherfucker, attitude, like one of those guys yeah which is perfect you get a teenage kid sit him down and have this guy talk to him yeah he will be on that straight and narrow real quick real fucking fast now we'll do homework on the way home oh my god so 2001 ecw goes, the wrestling here, and so WWE buys it, as we know. And yeah, he said that he had a few conversations with WWE, but it never amounted to anything. He said that one thing that he said, he said that he went for a dark match, which is like a tryout before the main show.

They have like two, three matches just to get the crowd warmed up that you don't see on TV. It's one of those. He said that Dean Malenko, who's a big wrestler in the 90s, told him not to get the crowd warmed up that you don't see on TV. It's one of those. He said that Dean Malenko, who was a big wrestler in the 90s, told him not to talk to Vince. He said, don't talk to Vince unless Vince speaks to you first. And so he said he went

and immediately talked to Vince, obviously. He doesn't seem like a guy that's going to follow your fucking rules. No, he's going to do the opposite. He says, quote, I didn't want to go to WWE anywhere but there because I knew they couldn't handle me because i knew they couldn't handle me they couldn't uh they knew they couldn't handle me we talked but we couldn't agree on stuff the main thing was that they wanted me they wanted to own

my name and my character and i wasn't going to give that up because that's what they were doing with a lot of those guys they were bringing them in for a cup of coffee and then they'd fucking boot them but they owned all their shit then and they couldn't go wrestle on the indie circuit with their own name and also then they could sell merchandise that had new jack shirts would still sell well in 2000 so you you know that was a little you're gonna ruin my life yeah that's what i'm saying uh he said that uh he was just seen as angry but he wasn't angry he said that's the thing he just wasn't angry he said quote. That's the thing. He just wasn't angry. He said, quote, I was on Coke, so I was probably just intensified. No, man. I'm just hot.

I'm intensified, which is what I do on Coke, you have to say. I like to do Coke, so I'm more intensified. That's pretty awesome. He gets a ticket here. Actually, there's a warrant, so he gets arrested for having overly tinted glass in Ohio in 2001. bad tinted glass overly tinted glass in ohio in 2001 may 12 2002 uh eric coolis the mass transit dies at the age of 22 oh my god yeah due to complications from gastric bypass surgery yeah man that's brutal oh he got it when it was new yeah and it didn't work out for him. His father vows to pursue the case against everybody. He says he's mainly mad at Paul Heyman, the promoter, but he's also mad at New Jack.

He says he's just a pawn. He's just a psychopath, but a pawn. New Jack says that he had nothing to do with this dude's death. Not to blame him. He says, quote, I didn't kill him. So that was that. I'm not a doctor hey me uh 2002 he is in uh uh basically he uh vick grimes is fucking won't get in the ring with him at this point uh because there's a match that he has with vick grimes where he throws him off a scaffold that is very high above the ring

there is about it's hard to explain but there's they have about 15 tables set up in the ring and they have them stacked like four tables high so if you were to be thrown off a scaffold and land on it you would go through like four tables and it would look really cool well New Jack's up there and the end of a scaffold match is whoever gets thrown off the scaffold into the ring loses oh they don't win that's how it yeah so new jack takes him and fucking throws him off the scaffold and puts a little extra oomph into it and he said no he said tried to get him to miss the ring he tried to throw him out of the ring so he'd land on the concrete and fucking die probably he's up on a huge scaffold so he the dude hit the rope and bounced like back in on onto the tables another three inches.

And he would have went right out into the fucking or or onto the post, which would have been worse. Turnbuckle. Yeah. Onto the metal, the steel post. He says that, quote, he wouldn't get in the ring with me again after that. I tried to kill his ass, so I guess he wouldn't. If I wanted to kill him i could have i don't regret the shit that i did everything i did in the ring i did it and i can't take it

back so uh yeah well here's something that he didn't couldn't take back april 2003 they're in rural tennessee he is doing an indie show and he's up against a guy named gypsy joe now if you if you're a really like you got to be like 60 years old to know who Gypsy Joe is as a wrestler and have seen him on, like, TV. But in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, Gypsy Joe was a big star. Big old star. But by 2003, Gypsy Joe looked like he was 107 years old. And I'm not kidding. He looks like he can barely, like, those short old man steps.

Why is he doing that? But he's got no shirt on. He still looks like he's barely like those short old man steps. Why is he doing that? But he's got no shirt on. He still looks like he's like in shape, but he's a, he's a clearly, you look at his head. He clearly looks like he's 85 years old. I'm not even kidding. So that's the matches him and gypsy Joe, which is ridiculous. So, you know, fucking gypsy Joe here. Basically, New Jack says that, you know, there's two types of matches we could do here.

And one's a hardcore match where I beat the fuck out of you and the other is a comedy match and i don't do fucking comedy matches but what am i supposed to do with an old man so they said we'll go out there and have a match with him so they get in the ring basically and he gypsy joe is he's not cooperating exactly with new jack like he wants so new jack starts beating the shit out of him and this joe is a tough as nails motherfucker too i mean he's getting hit with new jack like he wants so new jack starts beating the shit out of him and this joe is a tough as nails motherfucker too i mean he's getting hit with new jack's laying punches into him and joe's taking that shit and just kind of getting back up again so then new jack starts hitting him with weapons and all sorts of different weapons they get outside the ring and he starts hitting him

with a baseball bat and i'm talking he's fucking wailing this old man with a baseball bat and he's just like get right back up again every time jesus as he's fucking wailing this old man with a baseball bat. And he's just like, get right back up again. Every time Jesus, as he's doing this, beating this old man up, the high school gym crowd of maybe 75 hardcore redneck hillbillies start screaming the N word Adam and shit. Oh, they got racial in a second. I mean, they all of them will fucking kill you. Son of a bitch. N word.

This guy was fun. Son of a bitch. N-word. This guy was son of a bitch. Carrot top bastard. It was fucking crazy. It was wild. We were like, what the fuck is happening? He did this to this guy, and that was that. He walked away, left, and then this guy left, basically holding the crowd off of him. Like, get the fuck back.

I'll fucking swing this bat at you people. Because they were coming toward him. uh yeah so he he pinned joe finally no he just beat the shit out of him outside the ring and walked out that was the fucking match is that yeah wrestling no but it was what he said he was gonna do okay uh so in 2004 he's arrested for simple assault and also also recklessly endangering another person uh this is in august of 2004 he did that to joe too yeah yeah this was a separate thing but in uh in the worse than that here coming up october 9th 2004 in jacksonville he's with against a guy named william jason lane and this is the thunder wrestling federation it looks like it's in a hotels like

uh meeting room yeah you know what i mean like that that hotel carpet the sedona ballroom yeah that's what it looks like it's in there's a ring in there and like some hotel meeting chairs and stuff set around it right it's one of those things whatever whatever florida theme it is yeah it's a thunder championship wrestling the sailfish ballroom yeah so he basically uh he goes up against this guy and this guy's a new guy and he says outside the ring in the back they're talking and this guy's like yeah whatever you want to do jack that's great you know we'll do this and you can do that and sounds awesome and this guy was just you know a good rookie going along with the plan into it whatever you want to do jack that's great

with me i'm just happy to be working with to do, Jack. That's great with me. I'm just happy to be working with you. So he's like, perfect attitude. Great. I'm going to fuck you up, beat you, and that'll be the end of the match. Great. Great, right? So they get into the ring.

And this dude starts trying to fucking fight back. You'll see Jack go to push him in the corner. And this guy hit him in the chest. And Jack's like, you can see him getting frustrated with the dude like the dude will back him into the ropes and jack will be trying to get him off him and he's like really like holding him on there you could see jack just start to get real fucking real frustrated in there you just see him like kind of trying to hold the guy by the fucking neck a couple of times just like shove him off him like what are you doing like he tries to body slam him once and the dude uh the dude tries to body slam new jack and he's like oh backs off like the fuck are you doing but it's not an slam him once, and the dude tries to body slam New Jack, and he's like,

oh, backs off. What the fuck are you doing? But it's not an act. You can tell he's just mad at this fucking guy. So what he does is he's got the guy kind of backs him up into the rope, so he's got him in a front face lock with his head down, and you see New Jack reach down into his pockets of his cargo pants there and pull something up. And he pulls up a big blade and he just starts fucking stabbing this guy in the neck with the blade, casually stabbing him.

I'm talking stabbing his flesh with a knife. Okay. Then he slices his back near his shoulder blade and slice him. So the guy backs the fuck up. Right. What the fuck. Right. the fuck right so then jack goes after him and he fucking goes after him he uh cuts him he stabs him five more times my god stabs him a few more times this guy kind of drops to the mat so then new jack starts fucking kneeing

him in the head really fucking hard so the guy he's kneeing him in the head so the guy falls out of the ring rolls onto the ballroom floor and everyone's like holy shit is this supposed to be happening now and after new jack's thing this is kind of you don't know if this is happening this is like when bobcat golf weight set jay leno's couch on fire you're like is this supposed to be happening 25 years ago so you know all this is going on so new jack jumps down on the floor, slashes him again, stabs him, and keeps stabbing him in the fucking back. Oh my God. You just see him.

He's just like stabbing him in the ribs and back, like casually. Nobody stops him? Boom, boom, boom. They don't know if it's part of the show or not. They don't know if it's real. They don't know if it's part of the show or if it's, that's the thing in wrestling. No one wants to stop. What if it's a fake match?

What if this is the plan and you're going to jump in and stop a match in the middle of it? You just fuck up our whole match. So they don't know. They just trust? What if this is the plan and you're going to jump in and stop a match in the middle of it? You just fuck up our whole match. So they don't know. They just trust. I hope this is fake. So what he does is he realizes the dude's really hurt because he's been stabbed a shitload of times with a big old fucking blade. Oh, and he explains, too, that the blade was yay long is what he says.

It's a fucking long. It's like a whole box cutter. If you like, put the blade all the way out way out yeah it's like one of those here uh so basically that he does this jack ends up standing and like keeping his foot on this guy on the floor to hold him in place as he like fucking waves people over like might want to help this guy so a promoter and an undercover cop comes over and New Jack grabs the promoter and New Jack's mad at the promoter. So he attacks him. And yeah, basically ends up the cops jump back from New Jack and everything like they don't know what's going on. And that's when the whole tape ends there.

So you wonder what the fuck happened. And Jack says about the whole thing is the guy wanted to do a hardcore match with him. He said, quote, He didn't know nothing other than I don't give a fuck. Whatever you want to do. That's all he would say. That's where that's what we doing. I said right on. That's what he wants.

We get in the ring. We lock up. He punched me in the eye. Then he punched me in the jaw. Then I grabbed him and we hooked up and he tried to pick me up and dump me. I pulled. I had a blade about 8 inches an 8 inch blade in my pocket

pants. I pulled it out and started stabbing him and they said I stabbed him 14 times and I did not stab him 14 times. I stabbed him 9. It was 9. It's on the tape. It was 9. The cop came I went to jail. So he says quote this is not celebrity wrestling.

You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to let you get in and get your jollies off because you've been watching me on tape all your life. Would I do it again? Yeah, I'd do it again. I'd stab the shit out of somebody else if that shit happened to me again. Do I feel bad about stabbing him? No. Should he have died?

Yeah. I'm glad he didn't. But it is what it is that's what happened i take my job very serious yeah yeah and eight inch that's a lot of blade it's a lot of blade and he was just fucking sticking his ass with it too and he just saw it was real casual like he wasn't like this is a big decision in my life it was just like i'm sticking this guy i don't give a fuck holy eight inches is so much blade dude it's a lot of blade and he just did the majority of us don't have that much dick that's a lot of

blade a lot of blade huge blade he says quote other than the other than listening to the knife sliding in and out of his flesh it didn't bother me one bit i was sticking the shit out of him and every time it made the same same noise he does like a yeah yep he says i hope i got but he said as that's going on i'm thinking i hope i got bond money he says as sick as it may sound it's not an adrenaline rush it's more funny to me to have some idiot in the ring with you thinking he can handle you like that and you've been in this business as long as i have it's not an adrenaline rush it's some oh shit i shouldn't have done that shit but i'm doing it now so it's too late here it comes you know let me get an attorney and get the fuck out of here that's it it's no adrenaline rush i knew i was going to jail the fuck i stabbed the boy nine times dog with a blade about this long and this

much of it was going in which is about half the blade he did. He goes, that wasn't a rush. That was like, damn, I hate that. And they have that on camera. That's all it was. Nothing else. So, yeah. It's attempted murder.

Oh, yeah, it is. He's arrested. Jesus Christ. He's arrested in Florida on a charge of aggravated battery with a deadly weapon after this. They're calling it a 14 14 stab wounds uh the uh he is under held on 40 000 and three dollars bond at that point here scheduled scheduled in a month for a court appearance unable to post the five thousand dollar bond needed to get released at this point hung in yeah he says quote it was a brutal match uh he says they made it sound like i cut the motherfucker in the he says they made it sound like i cut the

motherfucker in the parking lot they made me sound like jeffrey dahmer he said it was in the it was a match this is bullshit it made it sound like i hunted a stranger down and stabbed him like we were in the ring together in and out of context you still sound like jeffrey dahmer yeah either way especially dahmer didn't wasn't like yeah that shit was great right fucking dicks are delicious he never said that. You saute them with some butter and some fucking shallots. Fucking dope. That never came out of Dahmer's mouth.

But he did also go to boys and be like, what do you want to do? And they're like, I want to do this. He's like, yeah, yeah, I want to do that, too. And then he saw their fucking head off. So where's the difference here? Not too much. So he's facing 15 years in prison for this, which is crazy. He's looking for bail money. His website had been attempting to raise bail money he had an ebay auction where a winner would

receive a call from him from jail you're auctioning off a fucking a call would you accept a collect call charge from well it said quote new jack will call you at home work or office which is probably work uh note that this will be a collect call from jacksonville florida jail where the original gangsta is waiting to stand trial for 14 counts of assault with a deadly weapon during a hardcore match it doesn't get any cooler than this that's what it says. What a contest. Oh, my God, here. So he told police that they had planned to use a piece of metal to inflict some kind of injury. That's what they had talked about beforehand. And, yeah, Lane, who was the guy he stabbed, he said that he told officers he wasn't sure what happened, but that this is a dangerous sport.

So maybe that's what it was. Like, he was like, don't know if i did something wrong yeah or what the fuck happened a fan said quote it was something you don't expect to see on a wrestling show not even for a hardcore match all you could see was the knife going in and out holy shit um yeah it's his girl frankie elaine's girlfriend here said quote it wasn't supposed to happen like that but it did and he got hurt pretty bad so they said they had done a lot of hardcore matches in the past here and uh young jerome had been here new jack had been at these matches smashing fluorescent light bulbs over people's heads and all that kind of shit that's too many um yeah so uh the events promoter was a guy named maurice williams who's actually new Jack's uncle. And apparently, basically, that this guy wanted to have a hardcore match with him. And that is what it was, basically.

Now, they offer him a plea bargain on the front to serve 12 years instead of 15. They offer him a plea bargain at 12. And he says, quote, if I'm going to do 12, I might as well do fucking 15. What am I going gonna do at 55 fucking years old may i take your order please you want cheese on that so let's go to trial let's go to fucking trial got nothing to lose he uh tried to scrape together some money he got three three hundred bucks for the call from jail by the way he's 40 years old at this point yeah unbelievable 63 this is 2003 yeah it's like 42 years old yeah so he uh basically uh he tried to get some more cash to let a person visit the prison

uh there and uh so the person's gonna you know fucking come bother him in fucking prison now i guess that sounds like fun here uh but what ends up happening is the charges are dropped what the charges are dropped by who well let's find out let's let new jack explain it quote he asked me this is the guy he stabbed by the way quote he asked me he came to the jail he said quote if you will train me i'll drop the charges i said done, done. I said, you are trained, bro. He said, you'll take me on the road with you? I said, hell yeah. Boom.

Done. No, no. Perfect. Went to court. Got the charges dropped. Got the fuck out of Florida. Ain't been back since. Fuck him.

First of all, he ain't had no business in the ring with me. Know what I'm saying? He told, yeah. He didn't even train him. Fuck no. He lied to him. The second he got out of jail jail he got the fuck out of florida just didn't go back told him to go fuck himself uh yeah so the district attorney said quote the victim wanted the charges dropped he said he knew new jack's mo was cutting and they kind of agreed a certain amount of blood would be drawn so the da is agreed to drop it so uh new jack was out about eight grand in bail and

attorney's fees but uh charges were dropped and he said once again free like oj if oj killed a woman on film the best eight grand he ever spent yeah no shit november 2004 he's in a video game backyard wrestling 2 there goes the neighborhood that comes out it's on ps2 xbox all this type of shit uh new jack is on the cover wearing his like camo outfit he's got like the black like urban camo uh with a chain around his neck holding like a fucking it's got like a sith or some shit it's yeah like a deadly weapon he's holding a knife a knife he's got a blade on a stick basically of some kind uh in the game new jack's character constantly yells not guilty nice not guilty not guilty as he's punching people that's pretty fucking awesome oh that's great uh jack was the first wrestler hired by the game

maker he said to to be a participate in it he said quote when i was creating the casting this game i asked who are the most hardcore wrestling icons out there new jack was on a short list a very short list so uh may 13th 2005 he has uh he's arrested for a speeding violation i don't know how fast he was going but he's taken to jail for that as well. He ends up in 3PW Wrestling for a little bit. And this was a wrestling company owned by the porn star Jasmine St. Clair. Really? Yeah, apparently. Well, let's let New Jack explain it.

Here, he said that he didn't like her. And he said, quote, on one hand, you have snorting coke. And on the other hand, you've got getting fucked by 360 something guys in one day not stopping there he said bitch i heard you had to ice down your pussy for two days after getting fucked by almost 400 guys that's because this is the owner is jasmine st claire she's a porn actress who set the i guess record for the largest whatever was fucked by 360 something guys in a day on film but that was the you can't say that about your boss i know that's what he said he didn't want to go there uh he says he hates her he says that uh he was once booked for a show but he had some problems at the airport

in atlanta and he realized he wasn't going to make the show in philly so he called up but jasmine says that he that uh but he says that jasmine went on the internet and uh wrote that new jacket double booked that day and screwed her out of the the booking whatever so also i'd be more afraid of the woman that doesn't have to ice her pussy after i would hope that she would have i would hope anyone would have to ice down anything that you get. Oh, shit. Many 400 of anything fucking you. Yeah. Now, Jasmine's boyfriend is the wrestler who wrestled as the blue meanie in ECW. Yeah.

So Jack says, Jesus Christ. Well, at least he was her boyfriend. I'm not sure what their current status is. Do I have heat with Jasmine? Fuck that nasty hoe. The blue meanie. i hope he dies of aids in the next six months i hope his kids are born with cancer i hope your mama gets hit by a fucking bus gave him a time limit six months all of those things wow uh jesus fuck blue meanie's response to

this yeah he's always been a true professional with me uh he's been a great guy and he's one of the best talkers ever in the in wrestling in the wrestling business i'm not even saying that because he's standing 20 feet away from me with a knife i'm just kidding so this was at a convention he said that and he's like i think he's a great guy after he said fuck him obviously i'm horrified i don't want to be stabbed so he's a wonderful wonderful person what a great guy i i you know i credit him for the nice things he has said about my wife she is very very uh versatile and uh you know what she can put up with a lot take it perseverance is her middle name perseverance uh 2006 is a show in philly which was the at the ecw arena they were doing a uh pro wrestling explosion show is the name of it here uh new jack is arrested there because

he flips out because he ordered a sprite at the concession stand and was given a seven up and he flipped out and started yelling at the woman who gave it to him um jesus christ a guy working as a member of the ring crew came out and yelled back uh new jack to leave her alone and then new jack knocked him out so this is in and out burger that's what we have here yeah someone called the police and uh new jack had locked himself in a room but then eventually he's taken away by cops and he has ended up not being arrested because the ring crew guy that got punched decided not to press charges because it would look bad and he will murder you and he'll murder you now new jack

during an interview they said they heard they were talking about this and they go can you really is it that big of a difference and he goes i fucking hate seven up i like sprite there's no way he can tell so they did a blind taste test. They brought out Sierra Mist, Sprite, and 7-Up and had him taste. He sips and he goes, Sierra Mist, 7-Up, Sprite. And he was right. Wow. He knows his shit.

He knows what the fuck. Can you taste the difference in this? Sierra Mist is much sweeter. 7-Up is more dry. Sprite is more lime. 7-Up is rad. Yeah, 7- up's good so good they're all good it's much better the sierra mist isn't that good except for the sugar-free one

that's right not sugar-free but the real sugar one not the big syrup sierra mist you had one last week while we were recording in my house but there was no coke in that oh there was no i got you yeah i got the dr pepper and cream soda now that's a good one by the way those are really good i really like when you have that let's say it's a good day that's good i pushed the two cokes out of the way to get yeah knock it out of the way i got more don't worry about i stack them you know how i do i got i got soda stocked so uh basically looking at it looks like 2006 and 70s wrestling about 10 shows a year about once a month he's going out there and doing shit 2009 and 10 or 8 9 only a couple of matches here and there uh 2009 he is at the terry funk roast yeah which is

uh 4k fave commentaries there's sean oliver's company there who was on his podcast after we did the marty genetti show boy do i love a good wrestling roast oh my god well they are great they're funny this one though the terry funk roast the problem is everybody liked terry funk a lot so no one really wanted to say anything bad about him because he's like he's like a legend who like no one has a bad word to say about he's just like oh well funk's a great guy and that's what all the stories were the iron chic roast was great because they were just making fun of him being a cokehead and a lunatic and crazy and how he fucked macho man's girl yeah all this all shit here he wanted to fuck people and so the terry funk roast though uh new jack ends up

there oh my god and he basically rambles for like a half hour and walks around the audience and he's insulting people it's fucking crazy and uh he says he first he says this is when he first realized he had a drug slash alcohol problem this is when he first realized when he saw himself on this dvd and then he realized he wasn't even invited to this yeah he's like oh shit i don't even i don't even know these people that wasn't terry funks roast that was a little girl's bat mitzvah this is fucked up man i called her a whore and stabbed her father. That's not right, right? This is a taping of toddlers in tiaras. Fuck, this is not cool.

He said that he really loved drinking with Percocet and Xanax. Those were his two. That's what he would do all the time. And they would make him do things that were, you know, not stable. I can understand. 2009, he starts dating Terry Runnels. Now, if you remember her, was dustin rhodes wife like gold dust remember gold dust the chick who used to come out with gold dust

is terry runnels that's his wife that's his real life wife who then they got divorced and new jack started dating her here in 2009 wow what an interesting fucking show oh what an interesting like i showed her from then in the live show i showed a picture of her from 97 and her from now and it was like holy shit is that the same person what happened oh my god goddamn so uh anyway she's with uh with new jack at that point which is a weird couple yeah just the fact that i don't even know how they would know each other they're not they're not they weren't like in a wrestling thing together unless they ran across each other in an indie show or something it's weird uh so he said though it went bad very quickly number one that uh his pills started disappearing oh no he was pissed about that

don't fuck with a man's pills no and terry claims that she was flushing them down the toilet to help clean jack up and jack said man fuck shit. He said he did some investigating and found out she was eating him. She wasn't flushing shit down the toilet. He said that taking his drugs was the last straw. He was done. That was it. And he walked out.

That's it. He said that she took it poorly. And then he started spreading shit about her. And then she sued him for defamation of character, for talking shit about her but was it true i mean i guess well you got to be able to prove it right apparently uh he said that uh basically runnels had the same he said that he had he she had an agent who was steve harvey's agent the comedian which is i don't know why he would be representing that i don't know but he

said that he basically tried to get new jack to like hire new jack to keep terry from not from being a drunk and being able to like do professional appearances and shit he said that terry would get out of bed at 5 a.m and start hitting the bottle this is this is what his alleged thing is that she sued him for oh really that new jack says that yeah that terry would get out of bed at 5 a.m and start hitting the bottle uh he said that he was kept out of some of her circles because he wanted she wanted to hide what she was doing um she said that uh you know the whole thing basically she they were like a he kind of she kind of hid this whole part of her life uh they said they tried to work some indies together but terry wanted to be paid more than him. And Jackson fucked that shit.

If we're going to go out together and I'm taking bumps, I'm getting, we're getting knocked. We're getting paid the same. You're not fucking getting paid more than me, but she's more famous is the way she's looking at it. So she tried to get what, according to him,

she tried to get him to move in with her, but her house was being foreclosed on and Jack wasn't going in for the, he said to save her. He goes, so he wanted me to move into a foreclosed on and Jack wasn't going in for the, he said to save her. He goes, so he wanted me to move into a foreclosed house. She, he also said that Terry kept Dustin's last name for marketing purposes. And he takes joy in knowing that dating her for a year and a half has

tarnished her, her image. I ruined her. I ruined her. She said that he would, Oh God, he went on to really Jesus Christ almighty. This is so gross. What does he say? I got to say, he said that he would oh god he went on to really jesus christ almighty this is so gross what does he say i gotta say he said that he would he would fuck her while she was on her period

and that she really liked to blow him right afterwards oh jesus yeah to get the sweet fuck oh boy that's why i didn't want to do it who's kink is that oh Oh, Christ, no. She also enjoyed licking Jack's asshole. Okay. And, yeah. I get it. He said, quote, she'd get ass drippings all over her face, wipe them off, and dive in for more. Oh, what? Why is he doing this?

I don't know. Who needs to know this, Jack? Not me. Oh, fuck, man. A couple hundred thousand of our listeners, apparently. So, I mean. She would get ass drippings. Drippings.

Like it's a turkey carcass. Why is your ass dripping, man? Oh, man, what is happening there? The visual drippings. Right. He said that she only has four of her own teeth left in her mouth and he figures if he had taken her to a desert she'd melt because of how much plastic is in her body um she she thought that new jack was going to sell nudes of her so that also led to a court

a court case and uh also she said constantly that she thought jim ross and vince mcmahon wanted to bang her which vince m Vince McMahon probably definitely wanted to bang Terry Reynolds in the 90s. You think he maybe did? That I have no idea. It's possible. She also says that Brock Lesnar has a tiny penis. That's one she did. So that's one she did, and she says, tiny dick on Brock Lesnar.

I don't believe that. Yeah, so I hope he never runs into us after that. Brock and his tiny kid. Yeah. Now, Jack says that Runnels wanted, that Terry wanted to straighten him up so that he could take care of her

and her daughter, basically. And Jesus Christ. So Jack isn't having any of that. He's not taking care of anybody else's kids. He says, quote, Bitch, I got like 11 kids I don't claim. Why the fuck would I take care of yours? He's got 11 of those? 11. That's what he says quote bitch i got like 11 kids i don't claim why the fuck would i take care of yours he's got 11 11 that's what he says i got like 11 kids i don't claim why the fuck would

i take care of yours solid point uh yeah he posted all sorts of her images of her like without makeup and shit like that like he was really they were in like an online battle she was going in him and then she was suing him and it's fucking crazy uh he said he was selling images of her engaging in sexual acts through his inbox he said quote i got nasty pictures for sale and trust me they are nasty holla at me you can take the you can take the bitch out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of the bitch. Holla at me in my inbox. So, yeah. He also stated that he underwent STD testing due to his belief that he may have contracted an STD from her.

And he also announced that he was negative, though, there. And Runnels posted something the next day. He says, prayers for, this was prayers for dakota and my mom dakota's her daughter as they are being put through hell i sincerely thank you for all your support god bless us all yes even the ones that hurt us and then she was quoting biblical passages in response to him and uh he said instead about this uh okay she's doing biblical passages and he said all right you want to talk shit let's do it so he said in the blog post that uh you know he accuses her of uh having an std

abusing painkillers being bipolar being a bipolar alcoholic uh this is what his thing this is the entirety quote she drew first blood now terry runnels is. That's what he says. In response to Terry Runnels and the garbage she is saying, one, I left Terry because she's a bipolar alcoholic who gets up every morning at 530 to make a very stiff vodka and cranberry every morning. She's hooked on perks. Bad. Double exclamation point. She is a very big liar. And the Terry Runnels that you and the world know is totally different from the one I've had to deal with. She's not the sweet little innocent girl she pretends to be

for her house is in foreclosure public record and been there for two years and she thought I was going to be her savior five. She doesn't want a man. She wants a butler and or driver six. She let her daughter bring online stranger over for Christmas without checking him out. What kind of parent is that?

Jesus, but one of the main reasons is that i found out the hard way that she had herpes since she was 18 and had no problems hiding from people while having unprotected sex i'm waiting for my test results upcoming trust me this is going to be much bigger so uh yeah that's a wild accusation man yeah um i would say so and especially if you find out you're negative you can't just say that shit can you well then he also says she is the fucking devil just like that good for nothing bitch terry oh because she's talking about somebody else to talking about someone else and to say that her new little boy toy treats her loves her better than chris ever did holy shit oh this is about tammy this

is about tammy sitch talking about yeah is a goddamn insult to him i saw pictures of that trick with a dick in her and she was still with chris she got caught sucking dick for perks in the back seat of somebody's car fuck that trick bitch and the air she breathes and tell her little bitch ass boy toy that if he has a problem with what I'm saying, he can step up. She is not going to not going to do this to come clean. That bitch is fucking broke and you're all paying her paying her to support her pill habit. That is fucking that fucking drunk. All of those washed up bitches from WWE are broke. Right, Terry?

Hose are hose of the hose of fed federation are easy to get in bed hoes of the fed are easy to get in bed all it was all it took me was a facebook and perks and that little blonde nasty bitch was hooked wouldn't you agree dustin intervention my ass who are you supporting that bitch's drugs and drinking intervention to who a bunch of goddamn marks that she can't see? Holy shit. He's going off on her, man. I like that he hit her with a rat bar.

Yeah, that was good shit there. He said, how could she talk about Chris? Of all people, Chris, bitch, he got you in the business and he supported your dumb ass until Vince signed you. And then you went to the Fed and blew every dick swinging. Chris was my friend, you little nasty, no good. You little nasty, good for nothing slut terry was right about one thing she said that you sucked your way to the top keep it gangsta you stinking ass motherfucker that's to terry uh that's to uh to tammy sitch there yeah uh gangster you stinking ass motherfucker now terry runnels denies drug and alcohol abuse claims completely by the way just for the record there uh new jack claims that terry consult consented to the sex photos

and to him and considered and also had considered selling them and that uh he just sent them to a friend with no charge so terry in her suit claims that she consented only because she assumed the photos would be kept private. Private. Duh. And yeah, I would say so. He claims that the only reason they broke up was that Terry found out he was cheating on him. Or that he found out Terry was Terry was cheating on him with her dentist. So there's that.

So, I mean, Jesus Christ, there's a just a in his wake right now is just a lot of a lot of waves and he's leaving some shit behind guys stop doing that his bloody mom too think about all i feel bad for all these people jimmy all these people but not nearly as bad as i feel for jerome young ombudsman at texas department of aging and disability services important guy i have no idea i've heard that word since i was a kid i have no clue what that means i don't either don't tweet it at me no i don't care i don't care the rest of my life well yeah i want to be on my deathbed going what's an ombudsman well we would have found it out by now if we gave a fuck you know what i mean matter it's not like a comptroller nothing so jer Jerome Young, senior financial consultant for general practitioners in Thames Valley.

It's a health services thing in the UK. Jerome Young, lecturer at Keio University in Kanagawa, Japan. So there's that. Jerome Young, supervisory contact representative at the IRS. There he is. Went to the University of Memphis. yeah 2013 new jack is retiring oh he says he wrestled his retirement match uh which was versus necro butcher who was another kind of a man of a very famous hardcore guy he's a canadian guy you're 54 it's it's done yeah that's yeah well some of the guys wrestle forever. Flair was still out there.

Dusty Rhodes wrestled the week before he died. He was like 70. Him and Terry Funk were still wrestling. Now, during the match, New Jack stabbed Necro Butcher's forehead with a fork. Abdullah the Butcher tribute maybe here. Necro Butcher pressed the staple gun on New Jack and all that shit. New Jack put a garbage cadlin on his dick and then slammed the lid with a chair things like that you know how that goes here so uh yeah uh so jack says about

wrestling dude it was a job it was a job to me i don't have a moment where i can say this is my best match or this is what i did and i wanted to do. I don't have that. I was a part of something that paid my bills and I was cool with it. That was it. When I did tell Paul Heyman that New Jack doesn't care, Heyman didn't believe him. He said that I believe that he did care. He's going to miss it, all that kind of shit. He says he doesn't think about it, but he will miss it. He says that about this, he says that he's adjusting to retirement says it's a different

life now i'm just dealing with pain i'm going to a pain management doctor it's working he gives me pain pills there you go so yeah that's why that's that so 2013 like i said uh she terry is suing jack for libel uh basically he she's suing him because he said that they hooked up because he supplied Percocets to her. And that was the thing. The whole deal with the daughter and the Jesus Christ, basically. He said the main reason he stuck with her for so long was because it drove every white boy in the business crazy that ever wanted to screw her. So there was that. He said there was that.

Let's see here. Yeah. So there was that. He said there was that. Let's see here. Yeah. So her legal response are all this shit here is, you know, that ends up being dragged out. And by the way, there was fucking lawsuits are so weird with wrestlers talking shit about each other because that's almost like suing a guy for body slamming you too hard. It's like a weird thing because he can even say, oh, it's I don't know.

It's just it's very strange. So anyway, he didn't blame. Basically, he said that he didn't end up with any STDs out of the whole thing and all of that. Now, 2015, Hulk Hogan has an issue, as you might. Oh, that's right. Yes. About his daughter's boyfriend. Now, yes.

Now, he's talking about his daughter in this thing here and in this video, and he says she's making some real bad decisions. My daughter Brooke jumps sides on me. This is Hulk Hogan's quote. I spent two to three million on her music career. I've done everything like a jackass for her. And then he said about how a black billionaire guy offered to fund her music career. And he says, quote, I don't know if Brooke was fucking the black guy's son. I mean, I don't have double standards.

I mean, I'm a racist to the point to a point fucking N words. But then when it comes to nice people and shit and whatever. What are you saying? Hulk Hogan, either not good things here. Basically, he's he said, quote, quote i mean i'd rather if she was gonna fuck some fucking n-word i'd rather her marry an eight foot tall n-word worth a hundred million dollars like a basketball player i guess we're all a little racist fucking n-word no terry no don't do that no how is he still now i put this in here only because it's fucking hilarious because

in response to this new jack puts up a picture of him and brooke hogan together which is amazing troll job just fuck it's like smiling yeah motherfucker you like that which is great that's his response to it that's why you love New Jack here. So New Jack, July 2015. He says he's coming out of retirement. He's going to do it. He says he's out of retirement. The gangsters are available for booking. Mustafa Syed's back.

It's all good. How old is Mustafa? Same age-ish. Oh, God. www.bookprowrestlers.com. That was 2015, though. 2015, he's actually wrestling there's a picture pick of him wrestling um 2017 he says i'm doing stand-up comedy now oh no that's his new thing

which is weird um yeah well king kong bundy was doing stand-up like actual like working clubs and shit like before he died recently uh new jack does some stand-up there he says you know what i had someone tell me one time he said new jack you've been doing comedy for 17 years you just didn't realize it you're talking about wrestling right he said if you just learn how if you just learn how to they call it trimming the fat you know off a joke he said trim the fat cut it down hit the points take it home he said and you can do that sure told him Who the hell told him that? Yeah. So anyway, 2018, Brian Christopher dies. Jerry Lawler's son, who we did the episode on.

And New Jack tweets a response to it here. Fix it with him and Brooke Hogan? He says, quote, Jerry Lawler, now that your son is dead, why don't you go join him, you sorry fuck? Wow. He hates Jerry Lawler. Boy, does son is dead, why don't you go join him, you sorry fuck? Wow. He hates Jerry Lawler. Boy, does he go hard. He doesn't give a shit. That's what I mean.

That's impressive. Now I have pissed off some of you fucks because I mentioned Jerry Lawler. I have been called a lot of names, but I've never been called a child molester, Jerry Lawler. That's what he says. Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck. Then he says, quote, fuck Brian Christopher, fuck Jerry Lawler, and fuck every one of you fans who like those two cocksuckers. I don't give a fuck about none of you motherfuckers. Free like OJ all day.

Free like OJ! So, yeah. And then he followed up and he said, this might not set too well with some of y'all, and I could get less than two fucks, but I wrestled in USwa with brian christopher in 92 and he was a very little disrespectful motherfucker then so fuck him and his daddy and for those of you who don't like my post fuck you too and then a little bit later he added on to that and said you still mad doesn't give a shit so uh 2019 july of 2019 heled. The last I saw of him wrestling. So, I mean, July 12th, 2019. A year ago fucking yesterday.

Yeah, exactly here. In a hardcore battle royal. Where he, I guess, won the battle royal here. July of 2019, he also announced that he's writing his memoir. New Jack Memoir of a Pro Wrestling Extremist. How much is that going to get edited? It actually, it's on Amazon. He it it's not a wwe book so i mean somebody's got to edit it to make sure he's not putting something in there that'll i mean maybe libel us arrested or

or that but otherwise i mean they'll put out whatever they want he's it's on amazon right now it was released in february of 2020 so it's there whoops i'm not too sure he didn't know yeah that's that's what i'm saying here it's a book out and everybody goes into pandemic that's a fuck well that's actually good for him uh who is this somebody said this quote i think there's a certain level of entertainment value when you book new jack on your show uh that you don't get with some other wrestlers you're not going to have the edge of your seat excitement when you're wondering where you're wondering what's going to happen even if you're at a small indie show where there's only 100 people, it's still going to be like, OK, something really fucked up could happen right now because new Jack is here. He creates a level of believability that is missing from professional wrestling.

Wrestling has become a joke in terms of believability and characters. It's nice to have something that you can still think, oh, my God, was that real or not? That's what makes him unique. That's what makes him the most feared man in professional wrestling and that's why he'll always have a job and it's true he was wrestling last year can't get enough of new jack there's plenty plenty of it out there you can see him on there just go to if you have the wwe network look at those old ecw shows he's all over him you can watch some of the like 97 eight nines when he starts diving and doing all that crazy shit. I think he kept those knives to sell later.

I doubt it. He probably was too disorganized to keep them, though. You can get New Jack t-shirts, New Jack wrestling figures, get New Jack's book on Amazon. I recommend it. I'm sure it's wild as fuck. Yeah, he's out there. Holy shit, that's New Jack, everybody. And we've been talking about him

for years, about what a crazy fucking show he's going to be. And I don't think we'd let it down. No, except for... And if you saw the pictures, it was even crazier. He is the luckiest man in crime. He just keeps plowing through. Killing and striking and stabbing and slicing. Admitting it, not giving a fuck, and then taking it to trial.

He doesn't care. Prove it. That's his whole thing. Prove it, motherfucker. Because he's not scared. He doesn't care prove it that's his whole thing prove it motherfucker because he's not scared he doesn't care he's not scared of shit he just does shit he just is man it's wild he's like a he's a force of nature that's new jack if you enjoyed that show i know how you can tell us about it get on apple podcast that purple icon give us five stars it doesn't matter what you say right say you're following instructions say you're following

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Not Fred. No, that was Dersh. Sorry. Naomi Rodriguez, or Naomi, I think. Megan Klein, Joe's daughter, obviously. Monica Lemmings, Jen Crowley, Brian Cotton, Alex Eldridge, Jimmy Womensukic. I think they were trying to be silly there, but it didn't work out.

Layla K. They didn't know who they were dealing with. You have to be able to read the joke for it to fucking work. Layla K. Eric Smart. Jessica would know the last name. Also, Jessica Higgins. Armand.

John would know the last name. Sensal... Oh, shit. Sensalissaloo. Nope. Sensalissia. Antini? Probably not. I'micilu. No. Sensaluicia. Antini? Probably not.

I'm sorry. Jacqueline Hall. Thank you so much. Aspen Cloud and Cody Leversey. Thank you guys for everything you do. Other producers this week are Rob Hemmig, Molly Fletcher, Antony Malasarcik. Malarcik. No.

Vicky Hedges. Marla Halpany. Happany. Happany. Happany happany happany eric the brown marnie with no last name honey skivel skivel locky nope mitchell alley uh sam went sam and wendy susan stalker lacy with no last name victoria redder uh jamie no james james lease hey brenda i think it's, oh, it's Brenda. Beckett, obviously. Renita Ruckus.

Kalen Goff. Joey Murphy. John Fwang. Mauricio Arcila. Cheryl Cornwell. William Beechin. Beechinow. Probably not.

Josh Hammermeister. Marty Crother. Damn it. Kelsey Morita. Doug Vinci, Elaine Martin, Elizabeth Earhood, Aaron Everett, Rachel Helton, Vanessa Angelique, Michelle with no last name, Jack Michael Ward, Matt Reed, Jamel, nope, yep, Shannon, dammit, Vanessa Jimenez. Shannon Dammit? I don't know.

That's a good name. Jamel Shannon. Of the New England Dammits? Yes. Or is that the West Coast Dammits? You had it right. Oh, okay. You've heard of them.

Yeah. JP, Craig Robinson, probably not the guy, comedian, Andrew Haywood, Noah Saros, Tom Calandrella, what the fuck are with the tough last names? Dana Suchel, I think, suckle Noah Saros. Tom Calandrella. What the fuck are with the tough last names? Dana Suchel, I think. Suckle. Sukel. No.

Tara Sejas. Kevin Bartlett. Mackenzie Bolin. Kevin B. Bill Tessier. Or Tessier. Courtney Hummel. Diane Connery.

Sean's wife, obviously. No, clearly. Jonathan Hayslip. Tyler Green. Andrew Higginbotham. Higginbotham. Allison Newble, Daniel Cody, Kristen Morgan, Orion Maiden, Jessica Hedges, Jacob Hoover, Candy Fagan, Jim Goln, Ashley with no last name. Amy Waters. Kelly Leach. Luke Keough. Sarah Waddell.

Fernando Gutierrez. Kenan Finn. Oh, FTW. I don't know what it is. Sandra Dingler. Cole Hildebrand. Yep. Ash Anderson.

Joni Price. Rochelle Scoggins. General Apeshit. That's easy. Quackles or Quackles jessica daniels uh mcnuggs uh rohan bo bahas god damn it i think you got that one hang in there rohan you're a great dude yeah happy birthday kairi's daughters uh lily and hayley amanda mcpherson chelsea tibbett uh uh kendon mockett adam boyajian probably not uh here we go uh amy oh boy amina amina sally it's two s's i don't know sure troy johnson darlene james caitlin parsons derrick white lisa partica partica jeff and angel angel shit david devvin Merriman, I said Derek White, Harvey Jordan, Tawny Lee,

Brayden with no last name, Stephen Kennedy, Dee Mintum, Brad Rice, I hope it's not that country singer, you motherfucker. You lousy bastard. He did a fucking country concert. Yeah, I saw it. You motherfucker. I don't know who the hell he is. I've never heard of him before.

I don't know who he thinks he is. I just saw there was a lot of people standing around like assholes clinton with no last name kelly kunecki martz uh michael carf carfunkel kiara kiara clara scrabbinockative you fucked up the first name rovin konov wow scrabbin kova yeah lindsey hardy franken franken fucking frankincense sanchez michael carfunkel i said that joni price andrew bonham bonham ricky gibson norma granger kade kettler chase pick and paw jessica yates liz krujewski ryan ebling rika daniel daniel fuck Ryan Ebling, Rika Danio, Daniello, fuck, Rika, I don't know, Sam Baltz, Caitlin Brunner, fucking, what is that, Bruin Ecole? This can't be right. Debbie Bosna, John Brace, Katie Barrett, Chantel Perota, Sadie Barrett, Brandi Groven, Tracy

Reed, is this for real? Quaisa Diaz? Is that real? Quaisa quesa diaz oh got it understood well done ted nut liquor somebody fucking told people to fuck with me this week i swear to christ uh ab adner b del? Delia. Bettis. Betts. Why give me a fucked name? I can't figure out the real ones.

Deep breath. Brooke would know last name. There you go. Barakat. Josh Boozley. There we go. Patrizia Galino. Downhill from here, Jimmy. You're cruising.

Courtney Kurtz. Alex Gagne-Bluen. Tora Graham. Drew Rainey. Kayla Rippey. you're cruising courtney kurtz alex gagne blue in uh torah graham drew rainey kayla rippy i'm trying to find the puns because i know that there's a shitload of them you're worried about yeah dixon my butts there you go you happy you fuckers yeah jen would know last name andrea fellows dana mcmanners uh lisa hinsey emily crosett Liz Fisher, Chad Ackerman, Max with no last name, Laura Latner, Leslie Slaney, Addison with no last name, Christy and Matt Bosco, Andrew Weber, JJ James, Faye with no last name, Dawson Robb, Mike Brown, obviously the coach of the Steelers likes

us, Stephanie Poole, I think is what I wrote, Mason Johnson, Jamie Elizabeth, Tex Tickles, James, that's what they do. Mike Tomlin is the coach of the Steelers. Oh, yeah. Who's Mike Brown? Mike Brown is an owner. Is he? He's one of the owners.

You're right, Tomlin. He's Paul Brown's kid. Possibly the Bengals owner, I believe. I mixed up Antonio Brown and Mike Tomlin together. That's what I did. That's good. All right. I'm not.

Jesus. Mitzi is, oh, God damn it mitzi g that's her that's who she is text tickles do you get it like testicles you understand uh rochelle farmer or rachel farmer that's what that is frank lucci uh vishnupriya uh vijayan what that can't it's probably right and i'm gonna say it's just probably someone's name. Yeah, Feminicardic, Feminarcotic. God damn it. Amy Neidecker and Nicholas Brown. Oh, look here.

We got more. Casey Ostrander, Cody Kinison, Al Demitrix, no. Nicola Stenhouse, Matt Britt, Veronica Cullen, Megan Holke, Carrie Henson, Heather Lemonade. No, LaWade. What is it? Lana? LaWare? I think.

How the fuck did you get Lemonade out of that? I don't know what I did. Carrie Henson, Megan Holke, Don Marias, Melissa, oh, yes, Janeline Yeh. Janeline Yeh? Arielia. Arielia was called her name. I know. Yes, Janeline Yeh. Janeline Yeh? Aurelia? You almost called her out. Bradley? It's probably a dude.

The wheels have come off. Fool of the world, which is me. Sparks are flying. Kamuai dude? Dowd? What happened here? Selena Jean Hayden? Cassidy Paraguay?

Nao Parigoy? Ashley Wallalsh shay would know last name shay i think kyle harner melissa would know last name colin bogoski now yeah it is jennifer would know last name alden body alden body i think that sounds like a pun but it's probably not. That's his name. Ellen Preninger, Mark Forward, Amberlee Balanos, Amanda Berry, Andrew Catron, Jenna and Daniel, Richard Little, Tracy Vaughn. That's not right. That's not real either, is it? Dick Little, is it real? I mean, it might be.

Dick Trickle is a real guy. You're right. Matt with no last name. Vaughn Luke, Ben. I'm trying so hard. Jonathan Mattson. Maggie Cohen. Tracy Vaughn.

Ben Camerotaro. Sierra Matato. I don't know. God damn it. Odin with no last name. Cody Drought. Kate Drew. Olivia Larson.

They are fucking with me. There's an Arabic word. How am I supposed to read that? Maybe it's a name. Arabic Tribune. That can't be somebody's name. That's not someone's name. No, probably not. I don't know what the word is, though. I can to read that? Maybe it's a name. Arabic Tribune? That can't be somebody's name. That's not someone's name. No, probably not.

I don't know what the word is, though. I can't read it. Is it like, oh, it's letters. It's the Arabic letters? Yeah. Well, take a calligraphy course and then get back to us. And then go pronounce that. Figure it out.

Donald Lebeau, Belinda with no last name, Cody Beretta, Olivia Larson. I said that. Matt Cahill, Sarah Fire firestone arison no aaron wolfenbarger uh rebecca berstein uh carol brogan joyce lewis case reedus matt french holly dameron demerin matthew with no last name lindsey trottier jose espinoza jen willis p with no name or last shantae carney carney god damn it caitlin with no last name dust. Shante Carney. God damn it. Caitlin with no last name. Dustin Van Dyke.

Delinda Andrews-Lewinge. Andrew Kirkrick. Michael Halloran, I think. Blaine Fanning. Tony Webb. Alex Brown. Ben with no last name. Justine Reynolds.

Rachel Ridge. Rochelle Ridge. Alice Hills. Vanessa Banyard. Damn it, Tom Kusavowski, Gia Mona, Carrie Giglio, Scott Stevens, Augusta Heiberger, Corey, no, Sari, Mullen, Penny, nope, Sklarski, Shawnee, Salt, David Baker, and then the home stretch. Ryan Willis, Lisa, Aaron Smith, Adrian McNulty, Brooke Kale, Tyler Gwilt, Eric Castillo, Amanda Knight, Stephanie Agoa, Kaylin Simpson, Louise Rayfield, Marissa Cole, Paul, is that Paul Adelman, I think? You wrote it. Ollie's Deco, stop, that's one. Oh, that's easy. Jackie Suk i think you wrote it ollie's deco stop that's one jackie sukup that one's easy janice hill that's easy matt nickerson robin anderson connor hessian

delinda andrews simon brown christopher paul cowell lisa graham jesse pitts katie marie tom hoskins rebecca kimball amber bodine bo not bo no t no, Tia, Silvinsky, Jerry or Gary with no last name. Robert, Gwen, nice. Oh, nice email. Thank you so much. Stephen, Haas, Craig, and Craig Neal and Allen Hill. Thomas Smith, Marta McCammons. Oh, her husband, Seth, is turning 30.

Happy birthday. Ashley, Vio, Elizabeth, Leatherland, Charles, Hugo,ogle, Carl Kirshner, James Marder, Liz Vasquez, Peyton Meadows, Craig Ventura, Denise Simmons, Vanessa Silva, Mariah Hardiman, Andrea Reynolds, Lexi Rowland. Thank you for the coffee. Susanna Platt and Bill McClellan. You guys, thank you for ruining my life, for making it so much better. Thank you, everybody.

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