Crime in Sports - #220 - Running Away From The Truth - The Opaqueness of Oscar Pistorius

Episode Date: August 11, 2020

This week, we check out a story that starts with a man, born without the usual physical gifts bestowed upon our subjects. He overcame huge odds to make it to the Olympics, as a disabled person. While this was all happening, an ego was building inside of him. Everything comes to a head one night, when he fires four shots through his bathroom door, leaving his beautiful, intelligent, famous girlfriend dead, on the other side. He has one story, but the police have a completely different one! Have your legs amputated at 11 months old, become an Olympic sprinter anyway, then shoot your girlfriend in the head, while claiming to mistake her for a burglar with Oscar "The Blade Runner" Pistorius!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Double middle? Double middle. Oh, boy. He's got a double middle name, which I don't know if that's normal in South African culture or something. I'm not sure. You never know. I don't know shit about it. Some cultures have like 12 middle names.

Yeah. You have like your great grandmother's maternal name. Yeah. Both of them. Your great grandmother's maternal name. You have like, you know, you find like your, I think it's your favorite third cousin. Right. And take their married name, I think is believed also is mixed in the middle.

There's a lot. It's weird. And then at the very end of it, they say where you're from. And then it's at the, yeah, that's at the end of it. So, you know, it's like a paragraph of names. But I don't know about here. He's got two middles. Okay.

Anyway. It's like a paragraph of names. But I don't know about here. He's got two middles. Okay. Anyway. So obviously his nickname is the Blade Runner for obvious fucking reasons. If you've seen him. If you don't know who Oscar Pistorius is, I don't know if you've been under a rock for

the last 10 years or so, but he is the Olympic sprinter with the only one that doesn't have legs. Put it that way. You can see which one he is pretty simply by everybody else. Look at their knees and then look down. If see shins that's not him if you see these like super poly high tech things coming down that look like it looked like a giant shoehorn are they coming off of his a forward or back with their forward right no they were like they were like feet i think yeah but they were like they're like bent yeah yeah spring motion yeah yeah yeah so it's like a leaf spring kind of yeah so that's the

guy if you've seen him and also did he win kind of a famous murder trial talk about it because if he did that's not fair that's kind of cheating isn't all they had a big they actually had scientific uh experiments to see if there was an advantage of this apparently there's some advantage to it but then i guess coming off the blocks as a disadvantage because you don't have the same okay you don't have the giddy up the pop of the of the spring of the yeah shoot off of those initial muscles that when you're you know ankles and calves and shit that fire you off also if a guy with no fucking legs beats you get back to training or you go what no i don't know i don't know which one that is i don't know i don't know how to make a fairness judgment that's like the field goal

kicker who set the record in 1969 or whatever square foot with a half a wooden foot right it was just a wooden club with a square front and it's like well is that really a i mean his leg did it but is that really it's not the same like you can get a little more bounce off of that thing than your toe, probably. So I don't know about that. If that's fair. I don't know if this is fair. I'm not sure.

It's not up to us to judge. So fuck it, I guess. Right. So Oscar is born November 22nd, 1986. So he's a young guy, old Oscar. Still, actually. He was born in 86? 86, yeah.

Wow. Seems like he'd be older, right? I don't know why. He's done so much more than me. Oh, yeah. There's a lot. He's done a lot. Good Lord. Unfortunately, though, right now I don't know why. He's done so much more than me. Oh, yeah. There's a lot. He's done a lot. Good Lord. Unfortunately, though, right now, you're in a much better place than him.

So you know what? You win, Jimmy. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Yeah. If you judged you guys in like 2008, dude. He's killing me. He has crushed you. He's famous and everyone likes him.

He's got money. Yeah. You're doing nothing. Sands shins. But 12 years later, shit. You wouldn't trade places with him for anything in the world. So November 22nd, 86, he's born in Sandton, Johannesburg, South Africa. Sandton is the kind of suburb of Johannesburg here in South Africa.

It's northeastern South africa if you're caring a shit about the geography of it this sandton is known as quote africa's richest square mile really yeah that's the on their wikipedia page it says that as far as their town motto goes and they don't mean richest as far as like you know you can pull crops out of the soil they mean they mean the residents fucking people have money. Yeah, this is not a downtrodden area, we'll put it that way. If you're born without legs,

you can still compete. That's how rich we are. That's how rich we are. We're so rich that if our son is born with, I don't know, used chewing gum below the knees, we are like... Bet you he gets a gold. He's still going to the olympics

but we don't care as a sprinter not even a shot putter or a discus guy or or a paul vaulter towel boy or paul vaulter you think with the less you know you'd be able to fire yourself up there i don't know he's still going he's still going so uh yeah it's a very affluent area here the it's a combination of two different suburbs and here his father is hanky pastoreus hell yeah hank h-e-n-k-e hanky yeah hanky hanky pastoreus he's a businessman his mother's name is sheila and uh sheila his mother's gonna have a big influence on his life here uh basically uh sheila sheila was a like a stay-at-home mom so he had brothers and sisters too as well as we'll talk about here so she's a stay-at-home mom meanwhile the father is a businessman and uh a bit of a father's known as a little erratic would be the best way to put it like he's uh he does well for certain times and

then his behavior gets a little wacky he'll like leave a business and go start something else and struggle for a while but he's just one of these guys it's not doesn't seem real comfortable in what he's doing ever and uh apparently when oscar was born though things were going well and they live in a very nice uh neighborhood and this you have to put into context of south africa i don't know if people young especially younger people if they really know anything about south africa but south africa and this is coming from two americans has a pretty fucked up history racial history is i mean they had apartheid till 1991 it was the law and then still lingered for i mean it was took a minute it's not yeah they had it was a tough so when he's born he's born into that into that you know that environment

apartheid south africa like nelson mandela's in prison you know what i'm saying like shit like that it's a very different thing up a lot of upheaval a lot of you know obviously people are pissed about it there's a protest stability yeah absolutely economic instability everything else so you know it's a it's it's a wild country in south africa to this day obviously things are a little more settled there's no apartheid and shit like that but south africa is a it's a dangerous country it's a known date i mean anybody who knows anybody who's kind of travels like comedians especially i've heard a comedian i can't remember i think it might have been bobby lee but i can't i wouldn't put it on bobby lee i think it was talked about walking out of his hotel in south africa and as the door was still swinging shut behind him hadn't closed all

the way he was already being robbed right he said i wasn't even on the sidewalk yet i still felt the air conditioning from the fucking hotel coming out the door on my neck as somebody was taking my money from me. He was like, it was fucking wild. Like, I completed one step and got robbed. Like, that's next level. The comedy festival down there cost him money. Yeah, that's what I mean.

And it's known like that. If you watch, like, 90 Day Fiance, we'll watch that. And one couple that was a South African guy and the woman was from here and she got pregnant by him and she was going to move there and they were looking for a place and like to, you know, find a place that's safe for a family. They're like,

you know, there's these giant bar, but it looked like prison, like to be in this apartment complex. And they're like, yeah, I mean, still it's,

you know, you can't stop it. You know, they're like, well, is there like an alarm or anything? And the real estate agent goes, well, there's neighbors close by. So if anyone breaks in, you can't stop it. You know, they're like, well, is there like an alarm or anything? And the real estate agent goes, well, there's neighbors close by.

So if anyone breaks in, you should scream loud. Yeah, that's literally what the real estate agent said. There's no alarm, but you should scream loud. People hear you. Problem solved. Great. That sounds wonderful. So, yeah, it's a it's known as a bit of a it's a sketchy area. South Africa, especially Johannesburg, is for street crime known as a

pretty dangerous city and it's one of their nicer cities too isn't it it's huge it's uh that's as a matter of fact we were just watching 90 day fiance last night and they just went to south africa this couple tanya and singin if you watch the show they went over there and uh he was telling her like when you go out walking around with my mom and sister fucking be careful try to stay quiet that american accent's a big fucking target on your back yeah you're gonna get robbed like you need to fucking like keep your head down and chill the fuck out and be cool and you know try not to try not to bring attention to yourself basically so yeah so um it's interesting anyway so but he comes up in a you know upper middle class lifestyle doing none of this shit that affects him is what

i'm getting at yeah he nothing touches him here in this nice little suburb everything's fine you know he comes up like it's pleasantville okay so good for him so he was born with a disability yeah we'll get into that in a second here now his parents i told you about his aunt is a the most famous south african psychological profile or they have really she's like the south african john douglas she's world famous in terms of that uh in that arena even robert wrestler has been quoted as saying what a what an amazingly brilliant person she is and how good she is at her job and shit yeah well fix south africa lady yeah well she she well, she was involved in more than 30 serial killer cases doing shit. She taught a shitload of detectives and other agents how to profile and do all of that.

Yeah, she retired in 2000, and she wrote Catch Me a Killer, she said, in order to purify herself of the experience she's she had while profiling so uh she still consults for south african governmental agencies for you know if they have a real like a real tough one they'll check out her there she has read and seen some horrible pictures and oh yeah it's just imprinted oh fuck yeah so she wrote the book to just put that burden on us read mindhunter that's probably what her version of Mindhunter is. Mindhunter is like, here's all the crazy shit I've heard that I can't unhear. So now you're going to hear it.

I watched a man throw a bird into a ceiling fan. Yeah. And now that's on you. That was the least creepy thing he did that day. Right. So now she is known for having an empathy for serial killers. This woman here, she says, quote, that they are, they are quote not monsters they're human beings with tortured souls i will never condone what they do but i can understand them which is interesting i mean that's a good way to put it isn't that still

a monster yeah but she's just saying you could they're human beings that are fucked up and i can understand them and they do crazy shit nobody's a monster i think she's trying to get to the nobody's a monster thing everybody's a human being with different levels of fucked upness okay these dudes are real fucked up yeah and uh you've got to know that you mean to them i suppose i don't fucking know so uh he is born like we said and like you i'm sure know with a disability uh it's a condition called fibular hemimelia. Okay, I wanted to look that one up. It's very rare.

It's not a normal thing that happens. It's not like, you know, there's a lot of birth ailments that happen at birth, and this isn't one of them that's normal. Fibular what? It's fibular hemimelia. Okay. And I guess it has no traceable genetic link to his parents or anything like that it's a

random occurring thing it's not like oh yeah aunt so-and-so had that you know back in the 40s recessive gene from thousands of years ago who knows what the fuck yeah uh in this though the fibula which is the your shin basically uh your your your fibula here um it's uh and the ankle let's the fibula, the thin bone that runs between the knee and the ankle alongside the more prominent tibia. Okay, the fibula, that's right. I guess the ankle, which they were consequently unusually short, I guess, his fibula. And the ankles were only half formed. And his heels on his feet didn't face down but sideways parallel to the achilles

tendon so that's not good somebody is gonna beat people at running yeah you wouldn't imagine that shit this dude's gonna be fast uh the the uh the insteps were not convex but concave and uh in the in the shape of an uh the shape of not an arch, but a boat. It says I don't know what that means exactly. He only had two toes instead of five on each foot. And yeah, his parents were like, whoa, that was a what is that? Whoa, what the fuck here? So, yeah, it's rough.

And they they it got to the point where they had to figure out what the fuck to so um yeah it's rough and they they uh it got to the point where they had to figure out what the fuck to do yeah with it here now his mother they decide to have his legs amputated below the knees that's one of the options okay we'll we'll get into that exactly what that entails fibulus deletus deletus that's what this surgery is called it's called fibulus nomorius what the fuck this is crazy uh yeah it's it's super and then what do you do with them afterwards is it like fucking family guy just give it to you give them to the dog or something like what do you fucking do with these things that's probably the nice thing to do i don't know what's going on so i'm just saying we're not trying to

make fun we're just trying to make sense of the whole thing and i am fucking figure it out well i mean we're not making fun of people with this i'm just saying this is crazy i have to explain that shit i can't imagine how this is wild yeah i don't i don't i don't i don't know that i want to see that that sounds horrifying i didn't want to read it never mind see it so the mother here his mother wrote him a note uh when they decide on the amputation wrote him a note for later on at this this is your amputation letter yeah which is very strange you won't understand this now if you're reading this you survived the amputation keeping it in an envelope if you're if you're reading this you have no legs but but you're alive. Congratulations. She says in the letter, the real loser is never the person who crosses the finish line last.

The real loser is the person who sits on the side, the person who does not even try to compete. That's what she told him in a letter that he would understand later, I assume. And go, why the fuck did you write me this about competing when you were cutting my legs off? It's a weird time to write me a letter about competition truly very strange so uh now they had to make a choice between amputation and corrective surgery that's how this shit worked okay so they consulted 11 doctors in south africa and overseas lucky for them they have money so that helps a lot rather than just like i don't know your kids fucked up him in a wheelchair. Put him in the bad bin. Yeah, right in the bad bin. A lot of the doctors argued for surgery on both legs.

Some proposed amputation of the right foot and surgery on the left. And they were trying to figure it out. One South African doctor said that you should do double amputation below the knee. And that was that. Basically here, if his two lower limbs had not been removed that made it a lot easier to remove the lower limbs and figure it out from there it was easier than to have corrective surgeries basically series of them for the rest of your fuck all you're ever going to be doing is going in and out of surgery to fix that correct that and they got

to break things and put it back together it would It would be his entire life would be that. Jesus, man. Because they would have had to lengthen his legs and subject him to a series of delicate and complex procedures, according to this book here, to try to remold the mangled, like his feet, basically.

And it would have been at least eight to 10 operations over 16 to 18 years. Oh, my God. To fix it. Oh, shit. And when they were done, they were like, by the time he's 18, we still don't know if he'll be, you know, he might be no better than he is now. Right. But he suffered his whole life through that.

Or you can just chop him off and try to figure something out from there. So they decided to do that. They said they would never be able to recreate the arch of the feet. Or, you know that's there's certain things you can't really recreate um so yeah and there he is i mean he's kind of fucked basically he would uh as a kid he's going from pushing himself around and yeah so how old was he when they did this 11 months old oh my god 11 months old he doesn't know shit no it's right around the time when you kids start walking too so that's when they decide to do it then because they said hey we can

at least yeah let's get on top of this before i'm walking on these he's learning anyway sooner rather than later i guess you know what i mean it'd be harder to then the later it goes the more he's going to have a hard time figuring this out so yeah uh 11 months was the age because of the first steps, like I said. And they took their son back three months later, and they ended up meeting a prosthetic specialist in Pretoria who built and fitted his first artificial legs, which become a huge deal in his life, obviously. Basically, they were wooden, these legs. Yeah, they were like peg legs, kind of. I know what they were here. legs yeah they were like peg legs kind of i mean that's and what they were here this is 1987 too the prosthetics thing isn't what it is today today you can do oh my have amazing shit that they have prosthetic wise today hands that work and they're

articulating and yeah it's wild so um yeah these though they're uh they're basically his legs stick into them on there and um you know that's that's about that but he loved it because he could actually walk he was like i could get around now and it was as a little kid even a baby he was like oh shit and started taking off on on him so must have been uh nice to see anyway obviously falling down and not doing too well with it but he was jacked to me out there he's got his own knee so that's great he's got because yeah he's got his own kind of what's below the knees so um he learned to so with this though he started he wanted to be a normal kid he just kids don't know if they're different when they're that age they don't know what normal is they're fucking a year and a

half old so whatever they got they run with that's it they just roll with it so uh he just wanted to play and play sports and run around and do all the shit that kids did and that's what he did so uh he was doing that he played soccer he rode mountain bikes what yeah he with his brothers he climbed trees which i mean probably was pretty cool because if you fall it's a lot of upper am i gonna break on my leg yeah you know if you fall try to land on your legs climbing a tree is all upper body though yeah yeah well a little layer i mean you gotta get you gotta get to the next step to push up i assume he had some good upper body strength anyway from because his legs weren't great so he would

have to use his upper body a lot more than that here so uh yeah he would do all this normal kid shit basically that's the thing he was doing kid stuff he uh he was walking pretty well on his legs by the time he was 18 months old and he would he played everything cricket rugby wrestling you name it oscar was involved in it which is i mean shit that's good spirit on the guy impressive no shit and it's impressive that his parents weren't just like uh no you need to stay in the house because i if you if you have a kid with anything wrong say wrong with them if any kind of problem you are more protective of them because you know they're i don't know in your mind you need to protect them more as a parent so different from the other kids one they're other kids are gonna have comments which is

that's gonna hurt them but also you got to make sure that they know they fit in too yeah and just you know physically worry about them getting hurt. They're not in the same level. They feel bad and all that kind of shit. Oscar already has it in his head. If I sit down, I'm a fucking loser. Yeah. Yeah.

That's the other thing, too. I've said so. She said it. I got to compete. Stumps and all. She said he says that, quote, she didn't ever want me to see my disability as something that could hold me back. So obviously she allowed him to do all the sports and she didn't she didn't baby him he said about the legs like if he fell down she wouldn't rush over and go oh no oscar she would fucking let

him get up like everybody else get up you lazy fuck what i say about losers yeah you know you're being a fucking loser right now for sure put your leg back For sure. Put your leg back on and run. Put your leg back on and get back in the fucking game. No excuses. I don't care. All the other kids have two legs. So do you. Put it back on and get in there. Lazy fuck.

Good money for those legs. Get your ass in there. And you have to get new ones all the time as the kids grew, I would think. Yeah. Christ almighty. Like shoes. So he went to primary school. That's a positive thing.

You're never buying him new shoes. Well, no. He's running around. You have to. They're all the same size, though. They're went to primary school. That's a positive thing. You're never buying him new shoes. Well, no, he's running around. You have to. They're all the same size, though. They're all the same size. That's a good part. But they're going to wear out. Yeah, he's not outgrowing them.

No, definitely not. Well, you could just decide what size you want them to be. That's a great point. Oscar would be like, give me like some 16s. I want the ladies to really swoon. Just some big boat ones on me. I need some people to fuck up the psyche. Big old, just like, God damn.

Some grown adults. Holy shit. I want to ruin a 35-year-old man's day. That disabled child has a huge cock, I bet, huh? The cock on him. Lord taketh away, but boy, did he give it. Right? I'm going to stand back so he can't hit me with it

from where he is it's been a long one so uh the in in primary school like in elementary school here the prosthetic legs weren't great so it's still the 80s they were heavy and unwieldy and not he couldn't play sports as well or do shit like that he said it was kind of very difficult but he did say that uh he said that it was weird because when he got to school people were started picking on him and bullying him and he said that quote i had grown up not thinking i was any different so he didn't really know that he was a weird you know compared to the other kids he had some sort of weird thing he didn't know that until he got to school and they made him aware of it by making fun of him that's the thing if you're not aware of your differences with other kids when you get to

school they'll make you aware of them very quickly you're about to find out they'll tell you all about it what's for every little thing that's wrong with you you i swear to god you could be in school for three fucking days and that's it you'll know everything that's ever wrong with you like as an adult you should do that go to like a fourth grade classroom and just sit there for three days you'll know everything that's wrong with you by the time it's over with lord knows hr took that out of your jaw done yeah no shit so his parents divorced when he's six years old oscar and that's a big deal to him he said that he's kind of that that affected him a lot because his dad kind of becomes a bit flaky yeah and often on his own and not really there all the time kind

of erratic again erratic in terms of his of his parenting does he take this as a failure on himself not really but because his parents they still care about him and shit like that like he said that uh he also was saying when he was getting bullied that his parents told him to stand up for himself which is like jesus i don't have legs like it's cool that you want me to stand up for myself and treat me like everybody else but at some point yeah i can't stand up for myself with no fucking legs i'm at a severe disadvantage here one kick to the shit and i'm going down like a peg leg man this isn't gonna work as a kid who doesn't get uh figures of speech you know they're saying all kind you know you got to put one foot in front of the yeah damn it one step forward two steps

damn shit okay stand for anything you're gonna pull all right son always stand up for what you well son you gotta pull up your uh don't give up son don't give up is what we're saying don't give up just keep trying little buddy just keep trying i wish that they would just take him uh could have uh and just like uh done ever just give him an extra thing for like every sport like well the fin on this kid and see if he's faster right yeah why not who the hell knows let's see just keep welding shit on him that's it you could too he's got the legs you can put different stuff on him yeah that's true yeah you could do that you could you could probably program him somehow to drive i think with the legs and the feet he could

do that just program him he's faster than everybody and everything faster yeah i bet he could do that see if he can jump or you could give him shins that are like fucking three feet long and make him a basketball player he's gonna be like on stilts he'd be amazing yeah he'd be fucking amazing that's what they should dad i really want to be seven foot two can you make that happen i can we can actually matter of fact done so yeah what the fuck he said that uh oh my god which by the way um just uh he says quote my family always believed in standing up for yourself and standing up for what you believe in yeah we were taught you have to uh

you you we were taught that you have got to cope okay you have got to that's very south african it is that's why it's very literal not normal i like american syntax so i read it wrong there he said that uh one time though his mother had to stand up for him because apparently some bully basically he stood up to a bully taking her advice. So the kid kind of beat the shit out of him, obviously, and ripped his shirt and everything like that. So he said his mom ended up stepping in and fucking yelling at the kid. Some other kid should have knocked the fuck out of him for that. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

When we were kids, if some kid had no legs and somebody was beating him up, the other kids would be like, what the fuck are you doing? Beat up the kid with no legs? What's wrong with you? A comment is one be like, what the fuck are you doing? Right. Beat up the kid with no legs. What's wrong with you? A comment is one thing. It's a passing. But if you're like belittling the person or you take a swing at them, tear their clothes, I'll knock the fuck out of you. That seems ridiculous.

Yeah. I don't understand how that happened. But South Africa might not be the same as... Good point. Yeah. In New York, there would have been like 12 Italian kids. Oh! What the fuck are you doing?

Look at this over here. See, picking on the fucking cripple. How would you do that? Tommy, he's picking on the cripple. Let's fucking beat the shit out of him. Let's go. Oh, you want to be a fucking cripple too? Come on.

That's fourth graders back there when I grew up. That's what it was. Hey, what the fuck? Pick on somebody with your own legs. Yeah, that's right. Why don't you pick on somebody with ankles, fucking pussy that's right right here so uh yeah his mother here his mother was very frightened all the time after the parents got divorced his mother was frightened about living alone obviously uh he said that his you know his mother kept a pistol under her pillow at all times. He said that his house was broken into a couple times as a child as well,

and that was very common, and it made his mom very scared. So, yeah, he's always had guns around from a young age. Like I said, his mother keeping a pistol under her bed or under her pillow. And then he also said, quote, everything we learned from life I learned from her. So that's a good foreshadow for later on. Now, 2001 comes around. He's 15 years old. He's playing all sorts of sports.

Rugby is his main sport. He loves rugby, which is, that's wild. He's playing rugby. I don't even know what to say about that. He's playing the most physical. I mean, go for the legs, I guess. Not to be a jerk, but I mean, jesus christ if you knock one off it's gonna take him a minute he's definitely not gonna continue on with that play i imagine that's harder

to put on than a shoe oh that sounds terrible i just pictured somebody doing like a diving tackle and just and seeing a leg fly off and go end over end here that's not good man that's not good so 2001 he's 15 years old and his mother has a hysterectomy and some kind of problem ends up having a hysterectomy and apparently there is some sort of allergy allergic reaction to the drugs they gave her and she died fuck what she died when he was 15 years old so if anybody could use all the support he could get it would be a guy like this and they take the fucking hero of his life yeah um and she said he says quote that has that he says that her death was unexpected obviously he said quote my brother and i didn't know she was sick but by the time we heard she was already in a coma she went into a

coma from the drugs and then she died so uh not good this is tragic it's pretty fucking tragic yeah it is tragic and this is weird but also i didn't mention this in the beginning but i think 200 this is our 220th episode and i believe this is the only one we've started with where the uh the child doesn't have a physical plus. Like every other story we've told, no matter what their fucking brain damage is, no matter how dumb they are, no matter what their circumstances are, no matter what,

they always have the thing as, well, they're still faster than everybody else. They're bigger generally, or they have more athletic ability. They always have that. Like he's this and this and this, but I mean, on the field, he's crushing everybody everybody like that's what they always have as a child this guy is the only one i've seen that actually that he has no physical plus like his physical is a minus

for him in the beginning so it's odd that he ends up on the show is fucked yeah and the support system is very fucked yeah so from this point on it's a little shaky for him um he kind of lives with his dad and he says his dad was kind of, like I said, erratic and, you know, not the greatest time for him. But he still, he keeps plugging along and playing rugby and all that. And January 2004, when he's 17, he shatters his right knee playing rugby. Can you imagine? That's all I have.

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15 years ago or so minimum when you were 11 months yeah that should have been like just don't let anyone tackle them yeah please probably so his first set of racing blades were fitted by a south african guy uh francois van der wat he did prosthesis prosthesis prosthesis down there and uh it's hard to say he was uh apparently he was unable to find suitable running blades in pretoria which is where they were so he ordered the pair to be made by a local engineer and uh this pair broke very quickly though which if you're running and then your legs snap that's got to be the worst because you're depending on your legs you know pushing you to the next thing and if they don't you just hit the hit the ground with a splat i would imagine so uh yeah they quickly broke so he referred this vanderwalt referred him to an

american guy and who was an uh used to be a paralympic sprinter named brian frazier to be fitted with blades by an icelandic company named oser o s s u r with the two dotty things on top of the o you know on top of the oh yeah you know there's some uh some icelandic shit going on there yes exactly so he began at this point uh he was uh he's graduates from high school and he ends up going to college at the university of pretoria in 2006 and uh he competed in some events here he uh when he starts getting going he competed in t44 which is single single below knee amputees uh though he's actually classified as a t43 which is double below knee amputee okay i don't know so um yeah either way he took part in the 2004 summer paralympics in athens and destroyed well he

came in third overall third overall in the t44 the one knee event there because that's some those people have oh yeah one leg got an x yeah they have a whole leg and a one amputated leg here um there and it's a 100 meter event and uh he ends up qualifying for the finals in the 200 meters though and uh he went on to win the final in world record time of 21.97 seconds which i have no idea if that's good or not and how far 200 meters seems quick i guess i don't fucking know is it faster than with legs yeah is it faster than without legs is it faster than sounds fast i know how okay here's here's what i know distance wise what's i know how fast 40 yards can be run i know what's fast for that yeah i know if you run like a

4 3 40 that's extremely fast that's great if you run like a 4 2 you're like fucking deon sanders if you you know offensive linemen are in like the 4 8s and 4 9s like that i get but i don't know what the fuck 200 meters isn't this a meter is not the same as a yard first of all right and then the fucking 22 so i don't know what the shit who knows let's find out what the 200 meter world record is um wow uh this guy ain't shit because usain bolt runs it in 19 seconds yeah yeah this is the paralympic record this is not so i'm saying that's two legs yeah and the fastest person with two legs so right that's you know that's it's not uh faster than two legs okay

yeah for this okay but that's a world record for that i guess here uh he beat a pair of american runners both with single leg amputations that were second and third here in 2005 he finished sixth in the non-disabled south african championships apparently that's not what they're called they're just it's a non-disabled okay competition they were just it's a label they're giving it not the name of it the non-disabled they can call anything that the non-disabled national football league everybody here it is non-disabled fucking major league baseball which seems to be pretty disabled today yeah it's not working no so uh yeah he does that finish six there uh he's in the 400 meters with a world record time uh of 47.34 seconds okay seems it's longer than

the 200 i guess you slow down over time. I don't know. It seems faster than I can. 400 meters is a lot. That's a long way. Yeah. And also at the Paralympic World Cup in the same year, he won gold in the 100 meter and 200 meter,

beating his previous 200 meter world record, which is pretty nice. At the 2006 Athletics World Championships, he won the gold in 100 200 and 400 meter events breaking the world record in the 200 meter again so he loves to be that 200 meters is jam and i don't know shit about racing or and i don't here's another full disclosure i don't care i don't want to know about it i don't give a shit about it so we'll definitely breeze over that shit pretty quickly if it has nothing to do with an engine i don't want to hear it i don't give a shit about it so we'll definitely breeze over that shit pretty quickly if it has nothing to do with an engine i don't want to hear it i don't want to hear if it does

have anything to do with an engine i just don't know shit about racing and i don't want to so uh so 2006 here this is when he starts all of these world records in the paralympic games he starts being recognized in south africa as kind of a you know a figure yeah be seen here. He's conferred the Order of Ikamanga in bronze, which is Order of Ikamanga in bronze by the President of South Africa for outstanding achievement in sports. There's three categories. There's gold, which is exceptional achievement uh silver which is excellent achievement and bronze which is outstanding achievement which i find fucking hilarious they're like it's outstanding but i wouldn't call it exceptional he's going bronze

what the fuck is that what the hell kind of shit is that what a weird fucking arbitrary let's break them down and it's like yeah you get the bronze you're not excellent you are outstanding sir like that's just fucking hilarious and all those terms are relative it's not like they're ranked it's not like oh exceptional means better than excellent which means better than outstanding i mean outstanding still seems outstanding and exceptional are pretty much the same thing i'll bet you look in the thesaurus all those words are the same that's i mean there's mean, excellent is a level, and then exceptional would kind of, I guess, be in comparison to others, sort of a comparative. But outstanding and exceptional are both...

They're the same. Yeah, they're both, you're better than the pack. So, I don't know. Excellent, I mean, everyone could be excellent. We don't fucking know. I don't know, with excellent, that's... That's Bill and Ted. Outstanding means you stand out. I don't know. Excellent. Everyone could be excellent. Yeah. We don't fucking know. I don't know. With excellent, that's... That's Bill and Ted. Outstanding means you stand out.

I don't fucking know. So, either way. Bill, Ted, Wayne, and Garth all agree. Yeah. That's excellent. A little excellent they would be. That's silver. They'd all win the silver.

So, 2007. March 17, 2007, he set a disability sports world record for the 400 meter in south africans in the south african senior athletics championships whoa i don't understand this shit at all and at the ned bank championships for the physically disabled held in johannesburg in april of 2007 became the world record holder of the 100 and 200 meter events there jesus christ he's invited by the ii or the iaf to take part in what would have been his first international non-disabled event the 400 meter race at the iaf grand prix in helsinki finland in july of 2005 so he's going to race against you know non-disabled people and uh he has a school thing that he has to go to, and he cannot attend that.

Oh, no. Or some school shit, basically. Now, July 2007, he runs the 400-meter race in Rome and finished second behind some guinea, Stefano Braccioli. Hey, I run a fast. I run a fast even though I don't have no legs. I was born with a spaghetti for legs and it don't matter because I'm fast. I was born with a lasagna noodle dangling from my hip. But it don't matter.

For those, are his legs just like super strong linguine? I think, well, I would go with. Because that shit kind of flexes a little bit. Yeah, but more, I would think a rigatoni would be a more,

like a rigatoni on top of a mostacholi on the bottom, you know, for a thigh. And I think that's how you do it. We've outfitted you. We've outfitted you with a sit down, Stefano. We have the news for your leg.

We have outfitted you with a beautiful, oh, it's so nice. You're going to love it. For the thigh, it's going to be a beautiful ardente rigatón. Right. It's going to be outfitted. We're going to put a nice, oh, it's a nice pomodoro on top. So it's just around the outside. It's going to be nice. Not too overpowering. And for the bottom, we're going to put a nice mustach, it's a nice pomodoro on top, so it's just around the outside. It's going to be nice, not too overpowering.

And for the bottom, we're going to put a nice mustachiole down there. It's going to be beautiful. And a medium-sized shell for the foot. And I think you're going to win all the races. And for as much cushion as we could get, we packed it with ricotta.

What are we going to do? We're going to do for a thigh, I changed my mind, we're going to do a nice manigot with a ricotta. What are we going to do? We're going to do for a thigh, I changed my mind, we're going to do a nice amana gout with a ricotta cheese stuffed in the middle just in a case, you know, for a sturdiness, you know. Yeah.

They break open also, you got a ricotta cheese down there. It's a nice snack, you know. It's a nice treat. You never know, you know. So that's what we do for you. If you're on your ass anyway, might as well eat.

Hey, yeah. Well, you run. You could take, might as well eat. Yeah. Well, you're on. You could take a bite. You needed the energy. That's so fucking funny. That's what we do, though. That's what... Everything is, have you eaten?

It's the fucking weirdest thing. Have you had a snack? Sarah tonight is bringing my grandmother chicken parmesan that Sarah made yesterday and all the shit, right? And I I'm like this is so weird anything could be wrong and that's the first thing we got you could literally hear like oh did you hear about them oh the family poor people oh Christ

nah Bobby's whole family the house burned down the baby died they couldn't get to him they couldn't get to him the baby died at the same time they take him to the hospital check him out make sure you know the smoke and everything they find out his wife's got cancer got cancer she's gonna she's got six months to live unbelievable his mother had a heart attack three months ago the whole thing's a fucking mess and the person on the phone will go are they eating literally

are they eating do they have i should bring some do they need they need something to eat we'll bring over some nice meatballs. Do they need food? No. I just explained that he's as miserable as he can be. He's probably going to take his own life. That's what that means. He's not wanting to eat. He's lost 40 pounds. Is he eating? He's going to eat a 40 caliber tonight.

Take it easy. I'll take some sausage and peppers. Why? That's the solution to everything. It's fucking insane. The most true stereotype ever. So, yeah, he also runs July 15th, 2007. He runs in some British Grand Prix.

I don't know. Runs there. Now, the prosthetics cause a bit of a fight in the whole racing world. Because they're great ones. They're really good. Yeah. And they work. Yeah.

So, there's a lot of criticism that his artificial limbs give him an advantage over runners with natural ankles and feet, quote, natural ankles and feet. I'm sure he's going, well, fuck, cut your goddamn knees off. Cut your legs off at the knees and slap them on then, fucker, because that's what I had to do. What the fuck do I care? You know, I'd rather have ankles and feet. Yeah.

You know what? I do have gold medals instead. That's what I mean. That's what's that's what's keeping me alive. So fuck you and your ankles. These are carbon fiber prosthetics called the Flexfoot Cheetah. Right. That's what they're called.

Developed by a biomedical engineer, Van Phillips, and manufactured by us or us or did he have to call him the cheetahs? Cheetah. It sounds like they're calling him cheetah. Like a che he have to call them the cheetahs cheetah it sounds like they're calling them cheaters like a cheetah right yeah cheetah cheetah yeah that's what i mean why would you do that it's too much flex foot cheetah like just call them the flex call them the flex foot uh difficulty yeah fucking flex foot hindrance you can call them anything because it doesn't not like people wouldn't buy them because of the name.

If they need them, you can call them the flex foot fucking cunt flaps. It wouldn't matter. People would buy them. They would. They would fucking buy them. They'd be like,

oh, I got to get those. I got to get a new cunt flap. Man, my cunt flaps are not very good. My cunt flaps are worn out. They're worn out. I knew it. We're both going there.

My cunt flaps don't have much more. When you push down, it goes all the way to the bottom. They're worn out. I knew we were both going there. My cunt flaps don't have much more. When you push down, it goes all the way to the bottom. It's just loose. See, this joint here is loose. There's no more elastic and spring to it. It's not working at all. So I'm going to trade in my cunt flaps.

Jesus Christ. They're just all dangling, these cunt flaps. We have two choices according we can go whether the men have got a thigh or we could put the cunt to flap on your feet what do you say that's everyone every doctor to be like that let me sit you down and we have a little talk now first of all first of all you are hungry i get you something to eat you want something nice a sandwich or something no I'm okay I'm in the doctor's office

oh we got a cup of cola it's a beautiful it's a slice of curry you may as well eat this it's a slice so thin get him some cup of cola you're gonna like it it's okay

don't worry about it we read this get him for it bring the bread he's gonna want it of course the cheese you're gonna need the cheese you're gonna like it

the cheese it's alright I ate 15 minutes ago that's okay you still eat a little more you feel better later on it's a good for the system it's okay you have no idea keep it a burner it keeps it a going your metabolism are very high if you keep you gotta keep a shoveling here's a sandwich for the road for the road for when you leave i just ate here after i just ate 15 minutes and you're gonna eat in the car too here's a sandwich you're gonna be hungry i'm telling you keep burning you're gonna think about it burn it burn it's like a tired fire you keep

it going so jesus christ so anyway march 26 2007 the ia the iaaf amended its competition rules to include a ban on the use of any technical device that incorporates springs, wheels, or any element that provides a user with an advantage over another athlete not using such a device. They said it wasn't specifically aimed at Oscar, but he's the only person that it really affects at all. So it's specifically aimed at Oscar. only person that it really affects at all so it's specifically aimed at oscar this isn't necessarily aimed at you michael jordan but nobody else can um jump for as long as you jump so you're only allowed to be in the air for maximum two seconds well yeah otherwise it's a foul it'd be like if one guy could dunk in basketball and they were like we're raising the rim to 11 feet but it's not it's not just it's not aimed at you don't worry even though you're the only one that's what it was the three-point line now is that steph curry's seat not because steph curry

it's not there it's not him it's not him no no jesus christ man so uh yeah so to decide whether he was running with an unfair advantage theAAF monitored his track performances using high-definition cameras to film his race against Italian club runners in Rome in the 400 meters here. He finished last in that competition for some reason. So he's invited to take part in November 2007 in a series of scientific tests at the German Sports University of Cologne. Cologne? Yeah, Cologne.

Under the guidance of Professor of Biomechanics, Dr. Peter Brueggemann, who sounds very serious. Okay. And in conjunction with Ilio Locatelli, who's there in case

anybody gets hungry. Just in case. Here's my opinion. If you have to take... I brought us so many golf cocks, I'd make a nicer sandwich. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. If you have to take... I brought so many golf cocks. I'd make a nicer sandwich. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

If you have to put rules in place for one guy, and you have to take and get high-definition cameras to watch his stroke, and then you have to fly him to Germany to put him through a series of tests, it's clearly not an advantage. Just let the fucking guy run. Or it's way more trouble than it's worth.

And you go, listen, Oscar, we love you and everything. Tell you what, here's a silver medal. Enjoy yourself. I don't know what the fuck to tell you. Give everybody else his fucking legs and shut up. Yeah, exactly. It's crazy. Yeah, just let him run.

Who cares? So anyway, this guy here. Now, Elio Locatelli was... Locatelli, by the way, is an amazing is an amazing cheese is it they make i don't know if it's his family but the locatelli the the romano and and uh especially romano get a block of the locatelli romano where's it from it's italian i mean it's it's from italy yeah yeah they sell it like if you go to uh you know like a good italian deli somewhere yeah it's not gonna be their fucking local grocer no no they'll have locatelli if back east it might be but not not anywhere else in the country but uh locatelli like northeast

you'll find it everywhere but here it's kind of spotty but you get it oh great that on your shit oh my god the fries with the my god the grocery store here that has like the wine bars and there's only like four yeah yeah there's one right by my house oh wow and i go there because their cheese selection is fucking oh yeah they got and i'll sit on my couch and eat a block of brie or some shit. That's good for you. Block? It's not really a block. You get what I'm saying.

Wedge? Yeah. I'm getting the quarantine 15's real is what I'm saying. I'm going to be a disgusting nut. Why can't I get that? My doctor's got me on all these pills and I'm just going to ruin it all anyway. I'm going to destroy it with cheese. Because it's delicious. Listen, doctor i'm sorry it's cheese ely ely olukatelli came over

fuck up then yeah get out of my neighborhood because it's delicious if i can't control myself here so now they did technical this is they were responsible these two doctors for all the technical issues for the aiaf so after two days of tests they had a report on the findings of what they found here the report claims that pistoris's limbs used 25 or 20 yeah 20 fun and worth having my voice there so i got like a hiccup thing that's adorable i don't know what that was that's some someone's gonna come out of your throat and tell the story for me. I had some too much menogot in there. That came up at me.

So they claim that his limbs use 25% less energy than runners with complete natural legs running at the same speed. And that they led to less vertical motion combined with 30% less mechanical work for lifting the body. So, in other words, easier for him to do this. He's floating. combined with 30% less mechanical work for lifting the body. So, in other words, easier for him to do this. He's floating. Yeah, well, I think what they're getting at is you could be less of an athlete and have these legs and be equal to better athletes. Whereas if you took Usain Bolt and cut his fucking legs off the knees and put him in these things, he would fucking fly.

He's running 11s. Yeah, he's killing it. He's running like a 3-6 fucking 640 he's fucking destroying shit so uh yeah so the uh he told the newspaper this dr brugerman that pistoris quote has considerable advantages over athletes without prosthetic limbs who were tested by us because they tested you know control groups and all that it was more than just a few percentage points. I did not expect it to be so clear. So scientifically, he's got a fucking edge on shit. But if you've ever seen him run, it's almost disturbing how it looks

because he doesn't go up in the air. No. You see people. Right. It's just a flat. It's fucking crazy. Which is an advantage because you're not wasting energy. You're not pushing yourself up in the air like a runner.

They said you don't have to. It's more of a it's crazy it's cool as shit it looks i always i didn't like watching him run because i thought they were i was always worried one of them was gonna snap and he was gonna like fucking face plant hard that's what i mean i thought he's in a face plant that made me very every step i was wincing like oh god please don't face 25 miles an hour that's gonna hurt man that's what i mean dude it's into that hard fucking clay that clay boom oh no it's like sandpaper that shit yeah no shit it's fucked up so it's rock hard yeah you ever been on like the warning track of a baseball field like a major league field it's fucking rock hard there's no give it whatsoever and they have to be wearing cleats it's the only reason they don't slip and fall out there.

Because that shit is hard, but it's got shit on top. Yeah. It's slippery as fuck. There's a reason why when the ball hits it, it bounces over a fucking wall. When it hits the grass in your yard, it doesn't do that. Because it's not rock hard. Bounce a foot and go down. and go down so based on these findings in january of 2008 the iaf ruled pistorius's prosthesis ineligible for use in competitions conducted under their rules including the summer

olympics the regular 2008 summer olympics which was his goal to get to beijing in the summer olympics and this uh destroyed it here so he called the decision quote premature and highly subjective i i mean it depends on science is subjective that's the thing like it depends i don't know if the experiment was done in a way to to try to show you know what i mean like obviously you can do experiments in a way where you want the outcome to be a certain thing but if it's a straight up experiment that's science it's easier for you sorry i don't know what you want us to fucking do about that. Like, I don't know. Get legs that are worse.

And then you probably won't break world records, but you'll be allowed to run. So pick one. They built them the way they built them to make life easier. That's the thing. It's obvious why the answer to the to the experiment is pretty fucking evident. Yeah. No, it's true. The idea, the the design everything is structured

yep to make you have an advantage of running easier on the rest of your body without them you can't fucking run yeah no shit so his hips must be in like good shape from that too so smooth he doesn't get that shock of everything so uh but i mean he doesn't have shins or feet so i'll take what's the yeah i'll, so I'll take shins and feet. So he said that he would pledge to continue fighting for his dream. His manager said that he would appeal this based on advice from experts in the United States, who said that the report, quote, did not take enough variables into consideration. So he's going to fight it.

He appealed against the decision to the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Switzerland and appeared before the tribunal in 2008. After a two-day hearing, the tribunal, the Court of Arbitration for Sport, upheld Pistorius' appeal and the IAAF counsel decision was revoked with immediate effect. So he is qualified now to be the arbitrator here. qualified now to they uh the arbitrator here they unanimously determined that brugerman's tests uh tested pistorius biomechanics only at full speed when he was running in a straight line unlike a real 400 meter race where it's a rounded thing and the report did not consider the disadvantages that pistorius suffers at the start and acceleration phase of the race which is where he doesn't have the boost and that overall there's no evidence that he had any net advantage over non-disabled athletes. Okay.

What are you going to do? So December 9th, 2007, he is awarded the BBC Sports Personality of the Year Helen Rolison Award, which is conferred for outstanding courage and achievement in the face of adversity. So that's kind of one of his first kind of big awards there. The 2008 Summer Paralympics is in Beijing as well. I guess they shadow the non-Paralympics. Try to get some asses in the seats. Yeah, the non-disabled Olympics.

There, in the 100 meter, he set a Paralympic record with his time of 11.16 seconds and also won a gold medal later on from Jerome Singleton of the United States there as well. And that one four days later, he did the 200 meter sprint and won his second gold at the event with a 21.67. He's as fast as youain 21.67 200 meter he did 19 usain's 19 that's fucking fast he did 21 yeah no legs that's fucking fast as shit for any legs five legs no legs one leg how many fucking legs you have that's fast that's just fast that's a world record there right it's a uh i believe it's a it's a world record there, right? I believe it's a Paralympic record. He also won gold in the 400 meters. So he won the 1, 2, and 400 here with a world record time of 47.49 seconds there. And he called it a memory that will stay with me for the rest of my life because he swept it.

It was gold, gold, gold. Now, in 2008, now that sounds wonderful. Like it was a dream thing and he was happy. But there's parts of oscar that the world doesn't see yeah um yeah oscar's also kind of got a streak of uh prima donna in him he's got a little bit of uh oh yeah yeah he's got a little bit of i am i especially because the whole paralympic thing he's a big star that everybody knows. He's drawing attention to it. No one would even know about it, that it's even happening if it wasn't for him.

And that's the way he's looking at it. Like, I'm the fucking star here. You should kiss my ass in these Paralympics. I'm the only reason that anybody's watching. So, a friend of his said that he recalled Oscar calling him from the Beijing Paralympic Games in 2008. And he said that he was bitching and complaining that he didn't like the running vest and shorts that they gave him to use uh this is the guy's quote quote he wanted to go on the air and complain this is a radio because it's a radio show host he wanted to

go on this guy's show he called him up to say i want to go on your show and complain about the fucking running vest and shorts that i have yeah uh so he put him on the radio show and uh that sort of thing he said that uh you know he's just that kind of guy and they said last his roommate basically he said what was it he interviewed oscar's roommate and he said what was it like to sleep in the same room with a superstar in the olympics and he said quote i moved out oscar's always shouting at people on the phone so he's a loud talker he's a he's an angry guy when it comes to shit like that but in the world he's doing great 2008 he uh collaborates on the release of a music cd called olympic dream oh yeah produced in italy it consists of disco remix mixes of music pieces that pistorius finds inspirational oh my god so

he's not even making music yeah he's like i like that song and they're like cool disco remix it and make it like an italian club song and fucking throw it on a cd yeah the olympic the olympic The Olympic. Yeah. Olympic Dream. Yeah. I should capitalize the limp part. Yeah. Oh, Limpic Dream. Pow. So this there, two tracks, two tracks were written for him. Also here, Olympic Dream and Run Boy Run is another one, which he produced voiceovers for those. I don't think he sang.

We did like a speaking, some speaking some spoken word over the top of it or some shit uh part of the cd's proceeds sale went to charity only part he also actively supports the mine mine seeker foundation a charity that works to raise awareness awareness for landmine victims and has a support program to provide prosthetics for victims jesus christ yeah you don't even think about that there's not a lot of landmines in america no the united states is all over a lot of the world the united states not a lot of yeah that's a good point not a lot of landmines hanging around thank goodness for that yeah that's that's one thing you don't have to there's plenty of shit to worry about here but one of them is not landmines yeah that's good so a book comes out

of his here uh it's his autobiography called Dream Runner. Oh, God. It comes out as an autobiography. It's going to hit puns everywhere. Oh, boy. Published in Italian in 2008 and then an English version released in 2009. He's huge in Italy for some reason. There's a nice recipe in the back of the book.

Oh, it's beautiful. It's beautiful. The author he wrote it with is Gianni Merlo, and he gives you a beautiful recipe. Oh, the back. Oh, you're going to love it. It's his grandmother's Sunday sauce. It's beautiful. It's nice.

Also, they do a nice veal roll. It's a nice thing. You put the meat inside. You get the veal. You pound it out real thin and roll it up with the toothpicks. It's going to be beautiful. You read the book, and then you eat a nice meal. The guy's last name is going to be a beautiful you read the book and then you eat a nice meal the guy's last name is merlot merlot without the t so just merlot like

the wine fucking perfect isn't it unbelievable and he writes for la gazette de los sport of course he does yes he does may 2008 uh he made the time Magazine's Time 100, a list of the world's most influential people. Wow. 100 in the world. He made it. He appeared third in the Heroes and Pioneers section. Awesome. You want to hear who the other heroes and pioneers are?

These are all like entertainment people and shit here. The other people were like, you know, business people. He's the only athlete. I'm sure. No, there's people here. LeB people were like, you know, business people. He's the only athlete? No, there's people here. LeBron James is one of them. Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie together. Yeah, as one person. Oprah.

Oscar Pistorius. Jesus Christ. Number three behind that. Behind Oprah. Hi, Oprah. I'm Oscar. How you doing? Who did he beat? Mia Farrow, Andre Agassi, Lance Armstrong.

This is pre-Lance Armstrong us knowing what he was doing. No, that's whatever, man. I got no legs. Yeah, he's like, cancer. Jesus. Bob and Suzanne Wright, Peter Gabriel, the singer. Sheikh Mohammed El Maktoum.

I don't know who the fuck that is. Yohani Sanchez, Madia Hassan Odhabib. These are from all over the world. So obviously Randy Posh, Posh. I don't know. Lorena Ochoa, Tony Blair, former prime minister there. Alexis Sindudj. In what year was this?

2008. He is more influential than Tony Blair, who in 2008, I believe, was still the prime minister. He had just gotten out of there. That's incredible. That's what I'm saying here. The first blind man to climb Mount Everest, Eric Wehenmeyer. He's the first. He climbed Mount Everest blind.

What's the point? Yeah. How's it look up there? It's gorgeous. Fuck. Why'd I do this? Why'd I fucking do this? When you got up there, what did you find? That it was fucking colder than down here.

That's it. Yeah. Otherwise, I don't know. You could have taken him anywhere and told him it's Mount Everest. The Sherpa didn't speak English to tell me what it looked like. Dude, you could have just taken him up any tiny little hill. You could have taken him in L.A. out there, just one of those hills, and just done it a few times. Run him through Runyon Canyon.

That's it. Take him to Colorado when it's chilly outside. Run him up a little. Run him up Pikes Peak. I'd be like, you did it. You made it. You're standing atop Everestest how does it feel ain't it cold isn't it cold hold on take some oxygen it's like 1500 feet elevation better blind guy better uh he wrote an essay here that Pistorius he wrote an essay about Oscar saying that Oscar was quote

on the cusp of a paradigm shift in which disability becomes ability disadvantage becomes advantage yet we mustn't lose sight of what makes a great athlete it's too easy to credit Pistorius' success to technology through birth or circumstances some are given certain

gifts but it's what one does with these with those gifts the hours devoted to training the desire to be the best that is the true heart of a champion so he's saying that yeah oscar is a true heart of a champion sure he's got two pogo sticks helping him win but whatever grace he still wants it yeah that's grace once the blind everest guy writes essays about you. If you can get a blind guy to write something about you, I feel like you've done a lot. That's grace. You've motivated that man. That's going to be grace.

So everything so far has been great for him. I mean, no beds. Other than his mom dying, that's rough. But I mean, he hasn't done anything to hinder his own cause is what I'm getting at. He's only done well now february of 2009 that all that changes a little bit here he crashes his boat he's got a kind of a wild lifestyle off the track here uh he's a playboy party boy likes to go around everybody says he loves blondes he loves tall blondes and he likes fast cars and he likes

you know partying and all that kind of shit he likes living up that famous lifestyle he's got a buddy of his that like owns like some hot car dealership that owns him like loans him like rolls royces and all that kind of shit if he does like some promo work for them so he's always driving like mclarens around and all that sort of shit so can you can you just operate pedals with uh yeah with those i assume well they probably have hand things like yeah they've got an outfit of fucking mclaren with hand i don't know how you do that expensive i'm sure i don't know if you could feel it enough to do the guy that's my point with a mclaren too that's i mean any little bit you're gonna be

spinning off into a fucking telephone pole yeah so they probably i and these are cars that they had on the lot so he probably he has to be able to drive them without the hand controls that's impressive that's impressive i don't know how that works so he crashes his boat though when he hit a submerged pier and didn't know it was there so he crashes his boat here he was in a coma for three days that's serious so he's fucking slammed into the console yeah a coma for three days i don't know if it's blood loss or everything but his face is fucked up so this is brain damage inducing he had an injured eye socket broke his jaw and several ribs and required 180 stitches mostly in his face so he slammed into something with his face He underwent facial surgery and spent five days in intensive care.

He didn't see the pier. It was submerged. It was an old pier that they had submerged. He didn't know it was there. Apparently, they didn't have a sign or a flag or anything like that. And he just fucking rammed it. I feel like you could sue for that, right? I don't know how things work over there.

That's what I mean. If it's a who the fuck knows, I think it had been from 300 years ago. Why are you blazing so fast by the shore man he's always blazing fast that's why he's that's how he lives everything's fast wow except if he doesn't have his legs on probably then it's a little slower otherwise it's all the weight is over so far you're not losing the only thing you're losing is my patience quickly. I see that The queen of the courtroom is back. I didn't do anything You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. I see he's not intimidated by anything I can fix that new cases. She wanted to fight me leave her a Lo, okay, so, um.

This is not a so, this is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes, Your Honor. You married his cousin. His brother. That's not him. Yes, ma'am.

I would make a beeline for the door. The Emmy Award winning series returns. How did I know that? I have a crystal ball in my head. It's an all new season. It's streaming. You can say anything. Judy Justice.

Only on Freebie. All fast. So yeah, the crazy part is he was fucking like within a month he was back training again. Wow. Like didn't even, the stitches weren't even, I don't even know how he was sweating like within a month he was he was back training again wow like didn't even the stitches weren't even i don't even know how he was sweating into his stitches he was out there doing it again so didn't affect him very much because the rest of his body was fine yeah so that's not bad um let's see who's this guy here uh a uh as a friend of his here says quote the boat accident where he carved up his face he says says there, he was in a coma, had 180 stitches.

By the way, alcoholic beverages were found on the boat, but police never tested his blood, and the authorities declined to prosecute. So they just didn't want to know if he was drinking or not, basically. They were like, let's just call it even on the drinking. I mean, if Oprah hits a pier, are we going to check if she's drunk? I fucking hope so. Over here, yeah. They'd check if Oprah's drunk, fucking hope so over here yeah they check if oprah's drunk probably yeah over here they want to know if everybody's drunk fucking take blood just take blood see what's in them see what's in them yeah exactly see what's in them so uh he says this guy says i thought the exuberance of youth he's a south african boy

becoming a bit of a star and a playboy. Why the hell not? Like that he's all crazy, basically. So anyway, September of 2009, he's at a party, a fancy kind of a party with lots of good looking people and all that sort of shit. And there's a model there who's his girlfriend, Melissa Rom. And she basically they get in a fight at the party, which is what you want to do. You want to fight with your girlfriend at a party. But she well, she confronted him after catching him kissing another woman. So that's going to cause a fight. It's just going to cause a fight.

There's no way that it's not causing something. Right. It's a man's world. It's I mean, well, not here. She yelled at him and said she was done here. So he is mad at her for being mad and apparently fucking really let loose on her let fly screaming and yelling at her for being mad at him for kissing some other woman i was getting her for you what the fuck jesus christ i was just practicing i was practicing so i could be better for you. What's wrong with you?

You fucking bitch. I was practicing. What's wrong? So, yeah. Then, by the way, he's super drunk that night. Even his attorneys say that. And his attorneys do get involved because there's an issue here. According to this, basically, he chased Rom out of the house.

Her and her friend as well. Now, her friend, last name Taylorlor memory they ran from the house once outside the taylor memory chick remembered that she left her purse with the car keys in the house so no way to get out so she tried to go inside and get them and oscar slammed the front door on her and And apparently so hard that the top of it shattered. It had glass on the top and it broke out of the front door. And a piece of glass came down and sliced her leg. Fuck. So, yeah, that's what ended up happening there.

So she ends up reporting this whole thing. He gets arrested for assault. And also she's going to sue him for whatever. And then he's going to sue her back saying that he he launched a counterclaim, accusing her of making up the assault and libeling him, basically. So, yeah, he said he's arrested with no reason. That's it. But the guy who arrests him is a guy named Hilton Botha, a detective. And it's 2009, and he'll come back later on in an interesting way here so uh he's

arrested for being accused of causing injury to a guest at a party it was at his house so he was responsible he apparently slammed the door and then punched it and the glass broke all over so not good um it was cassidy taylor memory that was her name there it's the silverwoods country estate at the police station he signed autographs and posed for photographs the both the guy said he called the other officers quote infatuated so he just came in and they all swooned around and he signed autographs so we heard about jose canseco doing that shit in the 80s it's happens a lot so ugly it's just yeah it's a little disturbing. So the police case is dropped, actually. The assault charges later on dropped.

But he ends up suing her for $2.5 million, claiming that his arrest cost him to lose two sponsors. So he's suing her. So then she sues him back. So she wasn't even planning on suing him at first until he sued her for $2.5 million. And she went, whoa, hey, you're the one who cut my leg and i just mentioned it so i'm the asshole so uh she countersued and this goes on for years and we'll talk about it when it when it's done you can sue people for costing you uh yeah apparently again huh yeah keep that in mind yeah no shit no shit tell me about it really is that a thing if it is i got damages yeah we got we're we're all from a few sources here so uh 2010 he appears in

like le sola de di famosi sounds perfect which is an italian version of celebrity survivor oh boy so he appears on that on that he's he's like in a guest appearance he does like uh he's there to like tell him go eat the pig shit who knows they probably had him like read some of the instruction or something and you know special guest reader just so they could say he's on there and boost their ratings that night. So September of 2011, he is doing a radio interview with BBC, and he walks out after he's offended. Wow. Super pissed off. Yeah.

They take offense to him. Basically, they asked him about competing in able-bodied competitions and he asked whether he could be viewed as, the way he said it was, basically the South African government, the Olympic Committee, doesn't really want you to do it. But they're kind of being forced into it. And they're getting their hand called. And so he says, do you think you can be viewed as a, quote, inconvenient embarrassment to South African athletics and the IAAF because effectively you're taking them into uncharted ethical waters so to me that's a question that sounds like it's on your side

because he said do you think they look at you like this he didn't say are you a fucking embarrassment he said do you think the South African uh you know athletic officials in the IAAF look at you as an inconvenient embarrassment because you're taking them, you're making, you're forcing their ethical hand basically. And he said, quote, I think that's an insult to me. And this interview is over and walked out.

The guy was like, fuck are you talking about? I'm asking you how you, how you think they view you. Do you think that's how they view you? If so, that's unfair. To say,

yes, they're calling me an embarrassment. And then we'll talk about how that's unfair. That's where he was going. And he said, yes, they're calling me an embarrassment. And then we'll talk about how that's unfair. That's where he was going. And he said, nope, I'm insulted. Fuck you. And left. And it's like BBC radio.

They're not trying to pin an athlete down and really give him the business. There's not a lot of agenda behind that. No. It's not fucking pardon my takeover here. You know what I mean? The fuck is going on? So anyway, he's very paranoid, he says. So he's got a lot of protection and a bunch of like weird things that he likes he's getting into like weird mike tyson territory in terms of

like i'm famous and i gotta have weird shit samurai swords and shit well uh he had a pit bull and a bull terrier as his dogs that he hung out with that's fine those are his protection in his house much dmx um and he also had two white tigers okay that's That's a bit much. That's way too far. That's a bit too far. Not as protection, just to hang out with. That's weird. That's weird. You know that you have too much celebrity and money when you're like, I'll buy a tiger.

If you want to buy a zoo animal, you reconsider. Take that money and give it to charity or something because you're bored. If the average person sees that thing in a zoo and is blown away you shouldn't have it in your house no there's no reason it should be at the neighbor's joint he ended up selling them to the to a canadian zoo once they reached 400 pounds and he couldn't control them probably should have done that 200 pounds ago yeah so i don't know when that was but uh i don't know if he was trying to. I wonder who he was trying to sell them to. I wonder if we had any.

I want to know who that thing nibbled on before he was like, I shouldn't have these. I shouldn't have these. Somebody got bit. Had to. Somebody that worked there probably was eaten. Right. He was like, well, does anyone know he's here? No?

Okay. Fuck it. He had at least, he had a racehorse as well. He owned part of a racehorse. He had a ton of fast cars and shit he had a three hundred thousand dollar mclaren spider on order yeah then he ordered a custom one and everything he had one pistol gun licensed for self-defense and he had applied for licenses for three shotguns a rifle and two more pistols okay he's no longer relatable no he's getting

he's getting into i'm a crazy celebrity territory i want tigers and guns and fucking mclarens and shit like that's what no can i lay out your suit today i'd rather wear my komodo yeah i'm just gonna wear that oh fuck don't forget don't forget my saran obviously yeah and my fucking uh and my cowboy hat thank you perfect all of those in my overnight bag thank you the louis one i'm obviously very relatable well clearly so he's very excited about how good of a shot he is with his guns he posted on twitter in november 2011 along with a picture of himself firing a pistol at a range uh he posted quote had a 96 percent headshot over 300 meters from 50 shots bam that's what he posted that's amazing that seems really

good that's really good that seems real good yeah i don't know three 300 meters that's so far it's like a thousand feet that's far yeah it's a real fucking far distance man with a pistol with a pistol 96 headshot that seems that's insane really good he better have pictures of that because i don't fuck that's what i'm saying i don't believe that's some like he should we should put him on something he should be like some sort of that's an unbelievable pistol yeah we should send him maybe he can take out kim jong-un or something we can send him over there you're super fast at running and lethal with the pistol that sounds scary please use those talents for good oh shit six weeks before the 2012 london olympics he tweeted on his way to the range amp to the max yeah boy about being on the way to the range so he really likes to shoot guns january 7 2012 he's on dancing with the stars italian version

dancing with the italian stars there's not a lot of dancing. The dancing comes after they eat, which is most of the show. They sit down, they eat, they complain about a couple of things. Somebody bitches at somebody for something else. They complain about my sons being a pain in the ass. And then they're like, oh yeah, we got to dance. Go dance. It's a very slow waltz.

Very slow waltz. I just fucking ate. I'm full over here. What are you talking about? Christ almighty, I just had a fucking sandwich. I'm full over here. What are you talking about? Christ almighty. I just had a fucking sandwich. I know. We all had sandwiches.

Get out there and fucking dance. And a heavy meal. Oh, so yeah, the Italian version, which is a ballando con del stella. That's the Dancing with the Stars Italian version here. He danced a tango with Annalisa Longo to ABBA's The Winner Takes It All. Oh, boy. So, yeah. I'm going to watch that on YouTube.

You should. I know it exists. Him dancing. And I want to see him with those fucking blades. What does he use as normal everyday life? Is it just like a smaller blade? He just has pants on all the time. You wouldn't notice him.

Really? Yeah, he just puts his pants on. Because that blade on the bottom is super long, isn't it? No, it's like a foot. Is it? Yeah, it's like a foot. I it? Yeah, it's like a foot. I mean, he might have casual daily wearers, you know what I mean? And then he's got his gamers.

Something Puma made. Some game legs. Yeah, just some casual Adidas legs, you know, just for everyday use. Walk into the fridge. Three stripes on the fucking front part. You can play like pickup basketball, but nothing more than that you know nothing full sprint so february 2012 he is awarded the lazar the uh what is it the lore oh the laureus a world sports award for sports person of the year with a disability in 2012 which i think that's he that's going to go to him probably a lot, I would imagine. 2012 Paralympic Games, he lost to Brazil's Alan Fontalé's Cardoso Oliveira

in the 200-meter, that's a lot of names too, in the 200-meter there. He ended up afterwards, rather than saying, hey, congratulations, he complained that the guy who won had longer blades than he did. So now he's complaining about the technology. It's's like but you said it was fine to compete against normal people but his blades are a little longer than yours okay uh he's not normal people like he's not you know what i mean so anyway um his agent said quote it came across as real sour sour grapes he blew up he apologized the day after not for what he said but for the timing of it uh at the track right after the race in front of hordes and hordes of

media so this guy won and he's doing whatever and oscar comes in the most famous guy there and just fucking ruins it for him obliterates the guy's shoes comes in and says he's full of shit this is bullshit his blades are longer and like half the media starts listening to him. So rather than this guy getting his moment in the sun, he got nothing. Disabled guy worked his whole life for this. And he's like, I'm taking it from you because I need it all. Right. Fuck you. That's fucked up.

So now 2012 Olympics here. He did not meet South Africa's individual 400 meter qualifying standard to compete in the Olympics, but he was approved, uh, basically because he's Oscar Pistoris and that's how it works. Um, South Africa's minute, uh, minister of sport and recreation told a radio station, quote, it's a political decision that has been taken. He's got to, uh, he got to the semifinals of the 400 meters. Uh, so anyway, he, uh, uh, they, they were happy to do it because they said he'll be on the platform in front of 80,000 people with Usain Bolt. They said people don't even know where South Africa is until he stands on a platform, and now they know who the fuck we are.

He said, quote, he was our brand, a world iconic figure, an inspiration to millions around the world, a disabled athlete competing with the able-bodied. There's no prize for trying to knock down a role model. So he's like, we're going to be cool with him. 2012 Summer Olympics, he became the first amputee runner to compete at the Olympic Games, at any Olympic Games. In the 400-meter race, he took second place in the first heat of five runners, finishing with a time of 45.44 seconds. And that advanced him to the semifinals. And he ran the second semifinal where he finished eighth and last with a time of 46.54. In the first semifinal of the four by 400 meter relay race.

Jesus. Yeah. The second runner on the team fell and was injured before he got to pistora's fucking jerk so uh who was gonna run the third leg and uh south africa was passed into the final appeal uh they said there was interference basically there was a kenyan guy they said who tripped his guy so there's all sorts of interference so anyway the south african relay team eventually finished eighth out of the field of nine and uh it was uh so there's that he was chosen to carry south the south african flag for the closing ceremony of course pistoris yes

absolutely so yeah he ends up uh whatever he does some good stuff here so 2012 summer olympics he's uh he's in it so good for him anyway he's he's doing different stuff here so 2012 summer olympics he's uh he's in it so good for him anyway he's he's doing different shit now the 2012 summer paralympics he carries the flag at the opening ceremony as well uh he enters the single amputee category there in the 100 200 and 400 meter races and then the the double amputee in the four by four hundred four by one hundred jesus christ so stupid 400 meter relay i guess so yeah so uh yeah he uh he takes silver this is where he complained about the blades like we said um now he uh they did say that they were uh the blade length was a thing apparently he raised the issue of blade rank blade length six weeks prior to the race.

And basically, you know, he's been talking about it for weeks. And other people actually have also expressed support for his position. Other runners said, yeah, that guy's shit is too long. I don't know if that makes a difference. I don't know the science. long i don't know if that makes a difference i don't know the science so uh yeah he won a gold medal on september 5th running the anchor leg as part of the south african 4x100 meter relay team world records and all that good shit so anyway october 9th 2012 he appears on the tonight show with jay leno over here which i mean that's a big deal here anyway made him very famous here

not like he wasn't but you know also on show, I want to guess who the other... One of their guests... Angelina Jolie and Oprah. One of their guests in a musical act. Ah, Jesus. You'll never guess. And they were... Is it an actor?

It's a director. Oh, okay. Actor-director. Oh. Ben Affleck. Tyler Perry. Close enough. And the plain white tees.

Tyler Perry and Jay Leno is a weird combination. combination it's a strange conversation i don't know yeah yeah it is yeah jay's playing to like uh well they're both playing the lowest common denominator like they're both neither of them are good at what they do they're playing to you know what i mean stupidity they're playing they have their audience and they're doing it and people people like some people like tyler perry movies and they're not good at all but they like them and that's fine and he makes a trillion of them and jay leno was on tv forever not funny at all not great but it's got an audience and people like it so it went for so long he walked away he didn't get fired well kind of i mean he didn't came back and then left and the whole deal. That's my point.

He was able to leave on his own recognizance. It's crazy. The funny thing is, the audiences, though, for Jay Leno and Tyler Perry are distinctly different, even though they're the same guy. It's weird, right? So different, their audience is very different. So 2012, as of 2012, he had sponsorship deals worth two million dollars a year with uh oh sir the fucking leg people uh nike oakley some clothing companies he's got all

sorts of shit going on also participated as a model in other advertising campaigns because everyone knows who he is two million dollars to not do shit. So go get pictures of yourself taken and wear Oakleys while you run. Now, after the 2012 Paralympics, the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow announced that they would confer Pistorius with an honorary doctorate. So now, he's also got a doctorate life is good i mean so did cosby that

well so did a lot of people so 2012 after his like american tour with the tonight show he was on like a bunch of other talk shows and basically when he came back to south africa his friends were like um yeah old oscar was long gone by the time he got back his head was couldn't fit could barely fit through customs with his head he was a dick before now he's yeah now it's just uncontrolled yeah now he's had his ass kissed in america which is way different they really kiss your ass over here they really do so uh his friend said quote he was bragging about his adventures in the good life he was like i'm the man i'm oscar the world owes me that sense of entitlement he wasn't like that he was made into that uh he says that uh uh

basically uh he said he used to be just a kind of a good old nice guy whatever um to now he's a lot different basically uh he said his friends that that os hung out with, he said, changed from the good old lads to the southern Joburg tattooed skinhead gang type. Oh, he surrounded himself with people who used violence and rage as an outlet for whatever you feel. God forbid I didn't see it going to this point, but I knew something was going to crack. So, yeah, basically, he's just changed his whole kind of uh approach he's hanging out with different people he's doing different things he's got the behavior of a south african rapper yeah exactly that's what he's doing or or an american athlete yeah right gets famous yeah same shit he's ocho cinco yeah that's all well ocho cinco is fine ocho cinco just changed his name otherwise he did

nothing different hurt anybody nope never did anything literally he was like says crazy shit to get some attention so people know who he is and then goes on the field shuts up does his job i remember seeing him on that hard knocks thing and uh he was in at claire's in the mall buying earrings for his daughter no for him what big fake diamonds buying 899 yes he goes i don't buy real fucking diamonds he goes why the fuck would i put real diamonds in my ear and then lose one of them shits that's a lot of money he goes i'm rich if i wear these people think they're real yeah no one thinks i'm wearing a point said no one thinks i'm wearing a fake diamond he goes no matter what the fuck i'm wearing everybody thinks it's real because i could afford it so i don't buy it and i was like that's fucking

brilliant genius that is everybody who's rich do that fuck you don't need to do that just pretend no one knows different yeah he's like i don't give a fuck he goes people are like damn ocho got some big diamonds he's like cool fucking great i don't care anyway i don't give a shit he goes up he goes they start to turn green i throw them out by another pair next week who gives a fuck the nine dollars yeah that's what he does hilarious it's brilliant though that's what i mean he That's hilarious. It's brilliant, though. That's what I mean. He's just playing everybody.

He's smart. He used that shit. He's doing it on purpose. He did all that shit to just use it for what it was. They were trying to, you know, the media and sports, they use you, so he's just using them right back for his purposes. He's a smart guy. So 2012, he did have a domestic violence thing, I think, though.

I think he was like one, possibly. I'm not sure. I'll look into it i just know he had uh just crazy antics that make people mad yes and i enjoyed that he had a reality show with that one yeah i don't know if it was a i don't remember what happened so i won't speculate oh he had a reality show yeah that's like his wife or some shit yeah so 2012 oscar makes the time 100 again so back in the news here now on that list also i looked and i was looking for people and i'm like come on on the list there of people who wouldn't be on it today louis ck was on it no uh he wouldn't make it say harvey weinstein also is on the list i mean influential yes mean, influential, yes. Yeah. He would influence you to be sexually assaulted is what he would influence you to do.

And then possibly the worst of all, Tim Tebow. All three of these. All three of them are on the time. So all three of them and Oscar Pistorius on the list then. Things change in eight years a lot. Holy shit. That's what one fucking playoff win will get you.

That's it. Influential. Influential. Jesus. September 2012, he allegedly shoots out of the open sunroof of his car with a 9mm pistol while driving with his friends. His friend, he ends up being turned in for this by somebody who saw it. And a friend backed up the account of it happening and he ends up being charged with some discharging a firearm and ends up going away after a while

or just just in the air okay like he's a cowboy yeah shooting a fucking you can't do that that's obviously uh november 4th 2012 he meets a woman uh he meets a woman and says he's like i said he said a parade of tall blondes that's his thing he meets a woman named riva a woman. Like I said, he's at a parade of tall blondes. That's his thing. He meets a woman named Reva Steenkamp, who is 29 years old. They meet through a mutual friend. This is the friend who owns South African car dealerships that are Rolls Royce, McLaren, Austin Martin, all that kind of shit. And he had a party, and they were there, basically.

And they had struck up a friendship him in the car guy pistaris was nuts about cars and like i said he'd give him like rolls royces in exchange for doing a fucking tv ad saying i'm oscar come down here and buy some shit so yeah that was which i mean that's what happens all the time that goes on everywhere so uh basically riva comes in uh the they he hired this guy a bunch of models to come to the party and like walk around and make it a you know i don't know a prettier party i guess it's fun to look at them i suppose so uh so anyway riva was one of the models and uh she's very she's very attractive we'll talk about her here she also likes too. So they kind of hit it off and that sort of shit. And yeah, they do that.

They end up meeting, basically. Now, she is a South African model, and also she's trying to be a lawyer as well. She's going to law school as well. She's a very smart young lady here. She modeled for FHM Magazine was the uh face of avon cosmetics in south africa all right so she was getting big here uh she was working as like a you know a presenter on south african tv shows they just get you know whatever uh advertisements for toyota land cruiser all sorts of shit like that. She's having a good career going on.

She was a celebrity contestant on the BBC lifestyle show Baking Made Easy in 2012. So yeah, Baking Made Easy. That's awesome. She's pretty and can bake and knows her law. So she's born in Cape Town. Her dad is a horse trainer and his second wife, who she grew up with, was there also. She had two older half siblings from her father, and then her mother's marriage is there. She ended up moving to Port Elizabeth contest in 2005.

So that's the name of the publication. Yeah, the Weekend Post. After school, she studies law at the University of Port Elizabeth. Later on, that becomes Nelson Mandela Metropolitan University. Later on, she graduated with a Bachelor of Law degree in 2005. Jesus. Yeah, so I mean, she's smart. She's hot and beautiful.

Hot and smart. She's smarter than she is hot. And likes cars. Yeah. She's rad. She's a pretty awesome woman here. She's smarter than she is hot. And likes cars. Yeah. She's rad. She's a pretty awesome woman here. She's pretty fucking awesome. She was ranked 40th, number 40 in the FHM 100 Sexiest Women of the World poll of South Africa FHM readers.

I hate that magazine. Yeah. And 45 in 2012. Such a douchey magazine. I hate any of those guys. Fucking Maxim and all that shit. I hate those guy magazines. FHM stands for For Him Magazine.

Yeah, it's so stupid. Fucking dumb. It's just a shitload of cologne ads. Right. It's a bunch of cologne ads and then dudes push their girlfriends to let us all look at her. Yeah. Stop it.

A bunch of cologne ads and a bunch of dudes with their shirts off. What are we looking at? Why do I want to look like this guy? I don't know. Not really. Can I see a woman who's attractive? I like looking at those. What's his girlfriend look like?

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. What kind of cars he drive? Show me the fucking stuff. Show me something. So apparently he went after her hard. He saw her and got her in his sights. And that's what he was after. the olympics he wanted riva so uh his friend said that it wasn't instant for riva but it was instant for oscar he was all over her yeah uh her publicist said quote he became overwhelming

which is uh interesting here and her father was protective of her and all that sort of thing and her father told oscar quote if you want this girl you need to give her some space but then he never did right in america we call that stalking we call that stalking yeah that's and well her her manager said or was a publicist said quote he was here all the time and uh then she started going to him and we never saw him again he wouldn't come there anymore. January 2013, he's at a table out to dinner in Johannesburg with his friends in a restaurant. Apparently, somebody passed a pistol under the table to somebody else for some reason, and it ends up going off in the middle of a fucking restaurant. What the fuck?

Yeah. I don't know why. It's a Glock pistol. I don't know why anybody has a do you have that out a glock out in while you're eating at the literally at the dinner table but then again why you'd want to pass it to someone else under the table and then obviously a shot goes off in a restaurant my mother gots a little tough i can't cut it sucks i got pow you could cut it with this. Hey, I got a this. I don't have a knife, but I got a gun. So there's that.

And also in January here, the 2nd of January, Oscar brought Reva to Cape Town. And this is the mother, or I'm sorry, Reva's cousin said, quote, and they took my daughter and me out for breakfast. We spent about two hours together. I thought he was a nice guy, but when Oscar walked away from the table i asked riva are you happy and she smiled and said in a hesitant a hesitant response yes but i could hear in her response something and she said we will have a chat i felt there were things that they had to deal with they look good together happy together but there was still something that she could not talk about to be at the table she said we will talk about it another time but we never did um so yeah february 13 2003 uh riva spends the day polishing a speech up that she's going to make oh boy she's got to give a speech the next day on valentine's day

to students at sand down high school to commemorate black friday campaign for rape awareness oh wow oh the pressure of that jesus uh this is following the death of a 17 year old girl named uh nna boos uh boyson who had been gang raped outside cape town uh so this is like there's a big like response to that to try to make people aware of not to rape people high school and tell kids don't do that yeah don't rape each other that's bad which good i guess you know what together we should probably keep telling kids not to rape each other that can't hurt right hey by the way don't rape each other just on the way out of the house if you have high school kids on the way out of the house every morning when you see them just go hey they don't rape anybody today even if it

stops one rape i think we've done something at least it's the least you can do literally you can't do it at minimum they'll know that we're thinking that they're capable of it just bye don't rape anybody just whatever it is just make sure that way it's ringing in their heads oh mom told me not to rape anybody you know what i mean just maybe maybe one person yeah their moral compass is so fucked up they think it's all right to rape but they won't disobey their mother or i mean or in the heat of a moment of being uh just uh rejected they'll be like you know let's fucking take it and they'll be like oh yeah mom said don't mom said don't that's what i mean their moral compass is way off that's a great point mom fuck damn it

you know what my mother's always right i'm gonna go beat off yeah let's just do that it's a lot easier so uh she said she tweeted that morning i wrote on instagram i woke up in a happy safe home this morning not everyone did speak out against the rape of individuals in south africa r.i.p. and a and an a boyson hashtag rape hashtag crime hashtag say no hashtag rape hashtag rape jesus christ i don't want to look at that wow that's a crazy one that's an ugly one i mean obviously most mma posts are are tagged with that but you just expect that sorry mma fans uh now february 14. This is the, that was the 13th. Now the 14th, early morning. This is the morning of Valentine's Day.

And apparently there was what sounded like an argument to neighbors around Pistorius' apartment here. He's got like a nice apartment he lives in. Kind of a condo. Very spacious, nice, well-appointed, ritzy kind of a place. Don't go thinking it's like a walk-up in Brownsville. Yeah, yeah. This is gorgeous. And it's a compound, too.

Right. And we'll talk about it. Lots of trees. Between 2 and 3 a.m., apparently neighbors heard people screaming and an argument taking place in their apartment. Hilton Botha, who's that detective, remember, who arrested him for the assault on the girl in the first place, he'll be involved heavily in this.

He said that, quote, witnesses say they heard a lady scream and then they heard bullet shots fired and then they heard a scream again

and then another few shots fired. Bullet shots. Yeah. That's the police. That's a police detective. Oh, so bad. Bullet shots. Yeah.

So, the time they heard the shots were between 3.12 and 3.14 in the morning. And this is at the Silverwoods Estate, the same place with the party. And first of all, we have to tell you about it. It's a heavily, heavily guarded residential compound. It's a fucking fortress in there. residential compound it's a fucking fortress in there uh he uh he's living there to make it be you know fucking try to be like safe is what he's trying to do here now anyway uh what ended up happening here inside the house they heard screaming they heard gunshots afterwards after

the gunshots oscar is standing in his bedroom and he had just shot four shots into his bedroom bathroom. It's an en suite bathroom. There fired four shots into there and we'll catch up with the beginning part of that in the beginning. So he's standing there and he's saying that he's freaked out by the whole thing. He said that the he's deafened by the gunshots and all that sort of thing. So he said that he rushed down the hall. It's a narrow hall there into the bedroom from the bathroom. He was holding onto the walls to keep himself from falling over.

He doesn't have his legs on. He's on his knees doing that whole thing. So he doesn't want to fall over. He says he opened the bedroom door. He opened the sliding glass door in the bedroom that's to the patio. And he said at that point he shouted, help, help, help. And he's out into nowhere. He said that he found his prosthetic legs, pulled them on, and then ran back to the bathroom and tried to kick down the door.

Which, not smart. You would have been better off without the legs trying to do that. The whole point of the legs is they bounce. So you kick and he probably fell down every time. But shot him back across the fucking room right that doesn't that's not a good you're better trying with your shoulder i would imagine than your foot in that case yeah rocket your fucking head through the wall yeah something so uh yeah he said that he tried to kick down the door he said he was screaming and yelling and uh he returned to the bedroom to get his cricket bat that he had by the bed in case somebody attacked him.

He's got guns everywhere, but he's got a cricket bat, too, just in case. He said he ran back to the bathroom and bashed at the door until he broke a piece of it away, broke one of the wood panels out, and he got his arm through and undid the lock. And that's when he said he opened up the door and he found riva in there and not an intruder but riva crumpled up on the floor with her face on the toilet seat and uh bleeding profusely obviously from her hip arm and head uh where she's been shot she's been hit three times with bullets uh here so uh she's not moving but he thought maybe she was still breathing he said um so yeah he's he was uh trying to get her off the toilet seat he said uh like her head was there and uh she's bleeding everywhere he places her down on the marble floor and uh basically you know he's trying

to he gets a towel and he's trying to he's putting towels on the wounds and shit like that. So, yeah, according to him, he's freaking out. He carries her out of the bathroom down the hallway and sets her down on the stairs. And we'll talk about this here. He is so able-bodied. He's very able-bodied. So the gun, by the way, he has hollow points in the gun. So he shot her with three hollow point bullets. That's going to make a difference in terms of the injuries.

And yeah, he, Jesus Christ, there was a security guard who had called, who had made phone calls here, heard the whole thing. And he came in through the front door. And as we'll talk about, this is when people get here and everything. Now, we'll talk about what Oscar's story is. But basically, he's got a dead girlfriend with three gunshot wounds. And he's standing there going, oh, my God, I thought it was an intruder in my bathroom. And I shot her by accident. That's the whole thing.

He made his first phone call at 319 a.m. to his neighbor and friend. And I think he's the manager of the apartment complex there. Johan Stander. Now, the phone records would show that the call lasted 24 seconds. Johan said that he told him, Johan, please, please come to my house. I shot Reva. I thought she was an intruder. Please come quick.

Then he called emergency services after that. So he called him first before 911. And so they phoned emergency services they told him he should try to get her to a hospital himself really yeah like probably be faster if you just did it right the fuck kind of emergency service is that i don't know i think i kind of i think i'm on their side i guess but like you gotta come out to you and then go back but they started ministering medical care immediately i'm just gonna throw her in the front seat and drive like the whole way to the hospital you guys are doing stuff there's like a team and i got stuff i'm just like run hoses you're right

over there want me to put music on i don't know what the fuck do you want the podcast roll the window down will that make you feel better do you mind if i smoke in here it's not good well this make you sick yeah um so uh yeah then he phoned the security guards there and he made three phone calls in the space of five minutes johan emergency services security guards all right away now johan uh said that when he arrived that oscar what he was what he called torn apart said he was just you know a mess he said he went in he found oscar over uh riva's body trying to save her life and in shock over what happened johan says i received a call from uh mr pistoris and he said johan please please come to my house please come quick i thought she was an intruder he says quote his commitment to save the

young lady's life when he put his finger in in uh and he put his finger in his mouth and tried to keep the airway open went to breathe uh how he begged her to stand with him how he begged god to keep her alive uh he said i saw the truth there that morning i saw it and i felt it so this guy's fully convinced that it was an accident here now Now, his daughter, she says that she entered the house with her father. There was blood everywhere. And Oscar was begging to take her to the hospital. At one point, she said she was afraid that he was going to use the gun to shoot himself because he was so upset. Now, stander there, the Johan, he says that, you know, he called out an ambulance and it was on its way.

They said to the he called out an ambulance and it was on its way. He called back. They said to lay Reva down on a rug by a sofa in the sitting room there and kind of by the front door and wait, make her comfortable and wait. He said he dropped to his knees, Oscar did, and lowered her delicately to the ground and screamed how he wanted an ambulance now, damn it. And yeah, he said that's when he put his finger between her lips and tried to pry her mouth open. Like, that would make her breathe. Like, oh, her mouth is just closed. Otherwise, she'd be fine.

Obviously, she's not going to breathe. Oh, it's not that hole in her head that's the problem here. Jesus Christ. Yeah, he tried to cover up the wounds, like we said. Tried to put pressure on the hip because that was where most of the blood was coming from. Apparently, he was searching for her pulse and didn't find one he uh this guy says that he heard oscar shout please god please let her live she must not die and shit like that uh stay with me my love stay with me all that sort of thing uh now two minutes later another person enters the house it's a doctor named johan stip who lives right by here and was awoken by the sound of gunshots and said, I'm a doctor.

Maybe they'll need me. Fair enough. Was that the sound of life being prematurely taken? I think. What was that? That sounded like death. That sounded like overtime. I better get going.

So the doctor asked what happened. And Oscar said, quote, I shot her. I thought she was a burglar i shot her and he was crying and all that sort of thing uh this guy was a radiologist the doctor he's got no expertise in emergency but he goes through the mo he knows how to check for signs of life does she have cancer yeah tell you what let me check her for cancer and i'll get back to you well she's dead now it really doesn't matter matter. He's checking for signs of life. He, yeah, expecting to find nothing before he saw that the top of her skull was cracked open

and there was brain tissue leaking out. So not expecting her to do too well here. No pulse in her wrist. He opened her right eyelid. No contraction of the pupil. So she's brain dead. It's over. Ambulance arrives at 3.43 a.m.

Two paramedics walked into the house and you know all that sort of thing so they take her away and uh like i said she's going to be pronounced dead that morning and uh that's it for poor riva and uh yeah so he called a friend of his and uh he called the friend that justin devis who introduced them and everything like that. Pistoris went into his bedroom and got the phone and called him. It was about four or five in the morning. He said, quote, There's been a terrible accident. I shot Riva.

And this guy said he could barely make out what he was saying because he was sobbing so hard. He said, I shot Riva. It was an accident. And the guy said, How badly have you shot her? And he said, I've killed her. So, yeah, that's pretty bad. Now, the police are still there doing crime scene shit. The photographer goes upstairs, take pictures of the bedroom and the bathroom where he'd shot her.

They said he slipped off into the kitchen and was alone for a minute and was throwing up in the kitchen. And a policeman followed him and asked him why he was throwing up. And he said it was the smell of blood on his hands uh could he wash his hands could he so the cop let him wash his hands and uh that was that so um now the detective arrives and it's detective botha it's the same guy like we said and he said you know it's a large en suite bathroom uh with a shower two watch wash basins and a toilet so two sinks a shower and a fucking toilet cubicle the door of which had four bullet holes in them in it obviously and uh it's broken down with a cricket bat and everything like that so uh on on the floor also

is a bloodied cricket bat that's got blood on it for being on the ground uh along with two cell phones assumably hers and his, and a 9mm pistol. So that's all on the floor. So Bothe has his theory of what happened here. His theory is that Reva was probably cowering in the toilet. The cubicle is 4.5 by 3.5 feet where the toilet is. That's just where the toilet is and the rest of it's there. With her arms crossed, which would account for why one bullet had gone through her finger before entering her arm. She had her arms crossed.

It would have went in like that. So another bullet struck above her right ear and another one hit her in the hip. And it's he this both. It says it does not matter where she was in the toilet. She wouldn't have had a chance. He said there's no way anything else could have happened. It was just them in the house. And according to the security registers, she had been staying there for two or three days.

So he had to be used to her there by that time. True. There was no forced entry. The only place could have been that could have been an entrance was the open bathroom window, which we did everything we could to see if anyone went through it and it's impossible to get through it's too small and it's in an awkward place um so i thought it was an open and closed case he shot her that's it i was convinced it was murder and i told my colonel you all you already read him his rights now you have to arrest him it's fucking murder basically so he hit her 75 of the shots fired yep without being able to see her.

Didn't even know. Through the door. And he explains what he heard and how he adjusted his aim. Stop that. He moved the gun. He said he heard the magazine rack, so he said, oh, I know where that is, and adjusted his aim toward the magazine rack because he heard somebody bump into the magazine rack after the first shot.

So he probably hit her. She fell to the side into the magazine rack next to the toilet, then he knew where that was and then he knew right where to fucking shoot wow it's fucking weird yeah that's a good shot he's a good shot he knows it um so this both a guy went into the garage uh oscar's out there with the bloody shirt and shorts he's wearing his legs sitting on his gym bench surrounded by weights and shit like that uh the both has said quote his head was in his hands he was crying there was blood on him but his hands were clean we said did you wash your hands and he said yes because they were full of blood so both has said quote do you remember me because he's the guy who arrested him for a fucking

the incident at the party a few years earlier and oscar said yes and uh he asked oscar what happened and oscar said i thought it was a burglar that's his fucking story man his story is uh i thought it was a burglar that's that then his family starts coming over oscar's family his lawyer comes over kenny aldwodge arrives his older brother carl gets there we'll talk about carl because he's got his own problems then his uncle arnold who's an interesting character and then his younger sister amy they all get there and you know he's crying and they're trying to you know whatever uh now amy was his closest friend he said she was 24 years old at the time carl really was more uh from what we've described in a book here emotionally awkward and the rough and

tumble kind of uh he was like his older brother who looked out looking that looked out from the schoolyard and shit like that here so they're all sitting with him uh the the they told oscar that he had to go back to the police station with him he put on a gray track suit with a hood got in the back of the car they drove him to a precinct and they let him in they informed him that uh you know he's got to go to the hospital for these different type of tests and all this type of shit here so uh the colonel arrives after he learned of the shooting on the in the news and uh he this is five hours after it happens eight o'clock in the morning the uh the paper read quote oscar pastoria shoots girlfriend dead in house. So he was like, Oh shit, I better get to work.

That's going to be a problem. He, uh, he said he couldn't believe it. And then by 9am there was, uh, you know, his home was a crime scene and all this type of shit.

Uh, he said that he imagined that, uh, he was aware that Oscar claimed that he was firing at an intruder and anticipated that when trial came around, he would lodge what's called as a psychological defense and uh yeah so they're like they were trying to figure out what he's going to do they said maybe he'll confess but probably not and uh they said how long could

he insist on carrying on with an implausible story that he imagined a burglar had locked himself in the toilet because that's the that's the crux of his story is that a burglar broke into his home and then locked himself in the bathroom. Okay. Which is very unlikely. It's unlikely. But if it's some fucking asshole who's just going to go rob Oscar Pistorius and then sees that he's there, he's like, fuck, I got to hide. But you know what you can do if you have someone who's a criminal locked in a room?

You can call the cops and go, I got a guy locked in a fucking room in my house. If you want to come arrest him, I got a gun in my hand. Hey in my house if you want to come arrest him i got a gun in my hand hey asshole if you come out i'm gonna shoot you right got a gun in my fucking hand i'm standing over here if he comes out of the door i'm gonna shoot him but otherwise he's in there the door's locked guys come on over here and get him yeah that's it i don't think that's not my first response is i'll fire shots because i put the he says that he's a paranoid guy and all this you're a paranoid guy This is why I'm bringing this to you. You told me you keep guns all over here and over there. You're paranoid.

If you thought that someone was in the fucking bathroom, would you just start firing shots indiscriminately through the bathroom door? You will go to jail for that. That's what I mean. Especially if you know that your girlfriend's in the house as well. Even Arizona has a pretty good castle doctrine, which is like it's basically uh the florida stand your ground thing if it's in your place uh and somebody's threatening you you're i mean you're okay to shoot him but you can't shoot him in the back no obviously there's rules to this shit there's a lot of rules there's a lot of

rules if you shoot somebody you're going to to jail and to court. Yeah, it's going to be a problem. You're going to be talking about this for a while. They're not just going to go, well, that seems justified and let you go. It's not how it works. No. Well, that seems like an opening shot. I'm not shooting through a door ever. No.

Ever. I don't even know what's on the other side of it. I got kids, man. Yeah. Who knows? I'm not going to shoot through a door. That's what I'm saying. So it's fucking crazy here.

He said he wanted to, this guy wanted to observe Oscar as close as he could. This colonel. And they were taken to the hospital to give the psychologist an opportunity to observe him over the course of several hours. And basically, the guy here was looking for a way to break the ice. The colonel. He mentioned that they both went to the same high school in Pretoria. Maybe that'll help. They talked about running. And he asked him about his running and what uh basically was trying to get him to

talk and be normal and it didn't work so uh just monosyllabic replies he was sobbing and then the guy asked him do you want something to eat and he said how do you expect me to eat right now and the guy said i'm fucking italian what do you want no he really tried to get him to eat the guy and oscar said he didn't want to eat right now they went back and forth like three times about do you want to eat are you sure you don't want to eat listen the cafeteria is it's we'll just get you a sandwich that way it's it's sandwich day if it gets cold nobody needs to pick at it you know give a bite here bite there if you want it later peanut butter jelly is super resilient it's not gonna go bad if you bump it around a little bit it only tastes better yeah it's good stuff so uh basically yeah he said this uh they they escorted him with police

officers here they warned him that they couldn't have any physical contact with him uh they brought him some fresh clothing because it's all forensic wise the police were opposing bail obviously and uh they didn't want him to to get out of there so but they were wondering what to do and what to charge him or how the fuck to do this he's basically sitting in a cell not knowing if they're buying it or not just fucking sitting there waiting to hear his fate and he's the whole time he's sobbing and screaming and crying and doing all this shit. They don't know if this is just a really elaborate act or what the fuck the deal is. It's much more stressful than the Olympics. It is.

It is way more stressful than Usain Bolt. So, I mean, they sent the psychologist in there. They sent the colonel in there to talk with him. People are trying to talk to him. And finally, finally, he gets on the knock on the door. And he's like, who the fuck is this now the god is this the you know the admiral or whatever the captain who's who's here the chief but it's not the chief it's my grandma and she says how is it you come to arrive here? Ma, what is it?

Ma, look at you. Oh, ma, first of all, I'm sorry about the legs. That's so sad. Ma, yo, I see that. Ma, as a baby, your parents, your mother must have cried so hard when she come out. Your legs, they're just dangling like an, like the overcooked mustard trolley.

No good. No good. But why you do this? Why you shoot girlfriend? Why? Why? She's so nice to you. She's so not pretty.

Beautiful young. She's beautiful. What are you? You hungry? I make you something. You murder. But still, you're hungry. You know, you those legs take a while to get around them.

But still, why you kill girl? She's so pretty. You could have my beautiful babies. And now you have nothing. What do you do? Why you do that? I, you know. You could have had more beautiful babies. And now you have nothing. What do you do? Why you do that? I, you know, I don't make you food anymore. I think about too beautiful girl.

You, I go, why you go to hell? I cut, you know, I cut more than you have legs. I cut balls off too. How's that? Why you want your balls? I cut them off and poof. And she's gone in a, in a poof of more Mastacholi. They would have had babies so extremely

confused you wouldn't even notice they were like they would not even notice they're a little short but you know what they're good looking so uh yeah so here's the affidavit here is his story this is what he fills out in his bail application this is his story by about this is his quote by about 10 p.m on february 13 2013 we were in our bedroom she was doing her yoga exercises and i was in bed watching television my prosthetic legs were off we were deeply in love and i could not be happier after riva finished her yoga exercises she got into bed and we both fell asleep i'm acutely aware of violent crime being committed by intruders entering the home with a view to commit crime,

including violent crime. I've received death threats before. I've also been a victim of violence and burglaries before. For that reason, I kept my firearm, a nine millimeter parabellum underneath my bed. Earlier that early that morning, he said that he got up and he got up to close his sliding glass doors because he left his balcony doors open because he's so paranoid about crime that he leaves his bedroom balcony doors wide open when he's when he sleeps. That's crazy. That's very paranoid.

Obviously, he said that's when he heard a noise in the bathroom is when he closed the sliding glass doors. He said, quote, I felt a sense of terror rushing over me. sliding glass doors he said quote i felt a sense of terror rushing over me there are no burglar bars across the bathroom window and i knew that the contractors who worked at my house had left ladders outside so he's thinking oh they climbed up although i didn't have my prosthetic legs on i have mobility on my stumps i believed yeah that sounded like oh that's rough he said i believed that someone had entered my house i was too scared to switch a light on i grabbed my nine millimeter pistol from under my bed i was too scared to switch a light on no that's what you do when you're scared right you switch a light on you don't too scared to

that's the most ridiculous that's like saying i'm too hungry to eat imagine no imagine you break into my dick's too hard to have sex right now i just can't do it imagine you break into a house and it's dark in there and you see a little shadow if only there was a light to turn on to see what the fuck that was i'd be afraid of the homeowner if they're that little the fuck was that what was that oh you know the uh the nice detail that he left out uh about when they went to bed no fucking no fucking no fucking one on nope yoga and then done that gives me uh inside that there was not a happy fall because they've only been together for two months they should be fucking constantly

now this is this is constant fucking time here uh but anyway he said that uh he's grabbed his nine millimeter pistol from under my bed on my way to the bathroom i screamed for him slash them to get out of my house and for riva to phone the police he says as he was going there he was yelling riva call the cops riva call the cops uh he said it was pitch dark in the bedroom and i thought riva was in bed i heard movement inside the toilet and uh he says that uh um he says that he basically he said now he was it's weird. Basically, he's he's saying now that he's like he felt like at a disadvantage because he was on his stumps and he felt like he was weak and everything else. He's on his stumps. But this is the only time we've ever heard him say that he's weak at any moment from anything.

But you're holding a gun. That's the the other thing doesn't matter how tall you are at that point he said it filled me with horror and a fear of an intruder or intruders being inside the toilet and that sounds like i know that you call the whole bathroom the toilet but here it sounds like they're hiding inside of a toilet bowl they're taking a shit like you open it up and there's faces in there they're in there i thought he or they may have must have entered through the unprotected window as i did not have my prosthetic legs on i felt and felt extremely vulnerable i knew i had to protect riva and myself uh i felt trapped as my bedroom door was locked and i have limited mobility on my stumps i fired shots at the toilet door and shouted to Reva to phone the police.

She did not respond. And then he said that he finally realized that Reva wasn't in bed. And that's when he tried to open the bathroom door and it was locked. And he tried to kick it open and prosthetics and blah, blah, blah. He grabbed the cricket bat, bust in there. There's Reva on the ground. Oh, no. So four shots.

Terrible mistake. Oh, I've made a huge mistake. So, yeah, the autopsy said she was hit. Why do I have to be such a good shot? Why am I so good at everything? God damn it. So she was hit in the head, arm, and hip by three shots fired through the locked door. As we said, three out of four shots.

Also, they said hollow point rounds were there and, uh, that caused more damage. Her right upper arm was shattered and the hip could well have the shot to the hip could have been fatal because it was so much bleeding. Uh, while the shot of that to her head would have been, it would have incapacitated her immediately. Uh, no blood was found in her airways suggesting she only breathed a few times before dying. She's blood out fast. I think the brain thing, thing boom done with a hollow point

especially so the uh detective here his theory obviously is that uh basically why would why would he be why would she be shot through her shorts if she was using the toilet in the middle of the night because he said she must have been in the bathroom in the middle of the night well then why were her shorts on she was shot in the hip through her shorts so she peeing with her shorts on that's weird um also according to both uh the uh the uh and also also why would she have taken her cell phone in the bathroom at 3 a.m yeah generally you don't do that you just get up and stumble in there and you sit down uh there was a lot of i don't know if this is true or if this was sensationalist media bullshit or whatever but there was a lot of bullshit floating around no know how true that was saying that she was texting with some rugby player that she used to go out with at three in the morning that was the

theory but who the fuck knows and i'm not going to speculate on what the hell she doesn't matter she's in the bathroom for that she's unarmed in the bathroom so whoever she's texting or if she's using it as a flashlight it doesn't really matter at that point it's fucking you know moot point still shot still shot for no reason so uh uh yeah also the uh the bullets had struck her on the right side which meant that she was not sitting on the toilet but probably crouching behind the locked door like she locked it and was crouching like you do when you don't want someone to come in right um from the location of the bullet casings in the bathroom they believe that pistoris had fired at the door from less than five feet away so he got right up to the fucking door and bucked at it which is another thing you probably wouldn't do no if you were just shooting

at a stranger if you don't know what he's got in there how about a warning shot hey motherfucker pop yeah make yourself known right uh worse you don't know what he has in there he might have a bigger gun than you that's the other thing millimeters not that big of a call the cops it'll do the job find your girlfriend and call the cops yes that's what you do you have a gun if anybody comes to you you can protect yourself from it otherwise wait for the cops are locked in a bathroom if you hear a noise account for everyone in the house first before you start shooting that's the thing that you do um so he said by standing straight and imagining himself pointing a gun at the door both have believed that the bullet holes were slanted down which was in which would indicate that pistoris had been wearing his prosthetic legs when he shot motherfucker not as he would claim that he was on his stumps,

because the angle is just too high, unless you fucking raise his arm all the way up in the air, which people don't shoot like that, because your fucking gun would fly out of your hand. You need body behind him. So he said that, but also, why would he enter the area where he believed the burglar was? Why would you go toward the burglar?

That's the other thing, and start firing instead of grabbing his girlfriend and running for cover. Run outside, go to the security thing, say start firing instead of grabbing his girlfriend and running for cover. Run outside. Go to the security thing. Say, call the cops right now. You're fine. Scared people don't go towards the noise.

No, they don't. People in horror movies go toward the noise. And you go, don't fucking do that. Because in real life, people don't do that. Why would you do it?

Why? Going, of course it's a monster. Jesus, he's eaten half your friends. Now he's eating the rest. You hear the chainsaw. What the fuck? Who walks towards the chainsaw. What the fuck? That's not a dog growling, obviously.

So he says it can't be. This is the detective thinking about Oscar's burglary story. It can't be. It's impossible. He says that the certainty, his certainty in the pursuit of evidence to prove it. He feels blame shifted from Pistorius to him because his Pistorius' lawyer started saying that Botha had a personal vendetta against him from that last case and everything like that. And they removed him from the case. Really?

And Botha ends up resigning from the police force and said that his professional standing and reputation came under fire. He said because they said that he didn't even consider that Oscar might have been telling the truth, basically. And his thing is he didn't believe him from the first second he saw it. He goes, this sounds like bullshit, looks like bullshit. Angle of the bullets look like bullshit. He fucking did it, which is what detectives do. He got fired for that? Or resigned? They forced him to resign.

They forced him to resign, yeah. Wild. Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, he got put out. Now, they collect evidence. They find unlicensed, and he'll get charged extra for this, unlicensed ammunition for a.38 caliber revolver in his safe and vials containing an unidentified liquid along with syringes and needles.

Wonder what that liquid is. What's he doing? Yeah. He said, quote, we took this as a cop. We took the laptops, ipads the phones the gun the gun the cartridges all bagged marked and sent down to different forensic departments they even took away the broken down toilet door because someone offered a police officer fifty thousand dollars for a picture of it before it was all public and so they said quote if

someone steals the door and sells it we have no case because that's their whole physical evidence is this fucking door. So they're like, make sure this door comes with us. This is a hot item. So they they then focused on his recent behavior. One witness recalled having this is the one thing having dinner with him. This is a witness that was there having dinner with him and his friends. And this was at Tasha's at the melrose arch mall there one friend had a pistol passed it under the table to oscar the gun went off and the shot ricocheted

and almost hit one of his friends in the foot it landed like it went right next to his thing in the booth it's not good no not good uh also an incident at the uh kalami motor race sport track where oscar confronted quentin vanderberg who is a cult cape town coal mining magnate and tv producer after hearing that this guy had become involved with one of oscar's former girlfriends oh for christ's sake good god why do you care why do you care what people do once you're not with them anymore what the fuck kind of there's a certain mental there's a certain mental there's a certain attitude and a certain mindset that gives a shit what people do after you break up with them yeah i don't have it i don't care guys are such fucking just monsters like that they're very well

women do it too it's true it's a fucking it just seems grosser when men do it because it seems more it's petty i don't know and it's like pissing on your fucking territory it's when men do it it's gross when women do it it's sad it's one of those when men do it it's like that's pathetic when women do it it's like you don't even you don't have to do that you're a woman like you can find somebody else so apparently uh oscar this guy said quote he started screaming and he said he would fuck him up if he didn't stop messing around with his girlfriend who wasn't his girlfriend anymore. Yeah. So apparently this guy's friend, who was a former soccer star, got in the middle of it

and fucking and got him to back off, basically. And this Vanderburg ended up getting a restraining order against Oscar, though. So Pistorius told Mark Batchelor, that's the soccer player, that he would break his legs. How do you not go? I'd threaten you the same way, but I mean, if he's being a dick, wouldn't you be like, all right, fuck you. You know, all cards are, everything's available for insults. You're being a twat.

You know what I mean? If you're going to break my legs, I'll kick yours off. Yeah. Guess what? And you know what? They'll heal and I'll still have legs. What are you going to do? Cock sucker. You're goingucker glue them back to attack me on a fucking come out and yell at me for fucking around with your ex-girlfriend uh so uh then bachelor told johannesburg's newspaper quote

he called me boy and said he wasn't afraid of me uh wasn't afraid of me and then he said the man i heard on the phone is a different man from the image given out there he carries his gun everywhere and i've seen him be controlling to women so that's a normal thing february 19th 2013 uh riva's body is cremated they have a funeral for her there next a childhood friend comes out in his defense guy named nick peel he comes out in the media and says that he went to primary school with oscar now lives in San Diego over here. He spoke to NBC7 in San Diego because it's like, hey, someone in San Diego knows Oscar Pistorius. Every news team in town runs to him. 20 years ago when I talked to him, he was a great guy.

Dude, these local news things are so sad when anything happens. You're like, there's a local Arizona connection. This person's aunt lived in Payson for a year in the 50s oh great well let's talk about him for an hour then there's a clip on the news of me because i said i lied to the news and told them that i knew a guy that they were arrested and they wanted to interview me so i spoke to him for a minute and my phone went crazy that day they're, did you know that guy? I was like, no. Not at all.

Did you say he was a good guy? No. Oh, okay. I said that I used to see him around. I didn't. I have no fucking idea who that guy is. That's funny. That's funny.

But they love talking to anybody with any connection to fucking anything. Yeah. And I thought it was fun. They do. They talk to this guy like what's it like living in south africa and this guy said that uh you know the homes have extravagant alarm systems and there's a lot of uh security the guy said quote in a way you're a prisoner you grow up almost being a prisoner in your own home because of the threat of intrusion

intrusion um and he says that he thinks oscars could be telling the truth about this whole thing he says it's understandable at least that he may havecars could be telling the truth about this whole thing he says it's understandable at least that he may have rushed to judgment and shot first and be willing to answer questions later okay he said the oscar i knew growing up as a child in our up until our teen years he was not a killer he wasn't a killer at nine nine year old disabled kid wasn't if you didn't see it in his eyes really uh Certainly not capable of murder in the first degree. Well, that's good that he wasn't capable of murder in the first degree in the fourth grade. I'm happy to hear that.

That's excellent. Good job for that. Jesus, this is the dumbest thing I've ever fucking heard. This guy's the equivalent of me. Yeah, he has no... He knew the guy in the fucking sixth grade. He's 30 years old now. 35 years old.

You don't think in between then and now he's maybe had some life possibly that have happened that have made him into a fucking he was a good kid sociopath let me cheat on him off him on a math test now you can take what you want character wise out of that he said there's a huge disconnect to what we know oscar to be even a year ago as the champion representing south africa with so much pride to where he is, the situation and the situation he's found himself in now. Now, here's the thing, wondering, why is he so paranoid? His apartment complex must be really dangerous. So I looked into it, and apparently Silverwoods Country Estate,

a reporter who had went through it, said he drove through the gates and entered a vast development surrounded by high fences. Apparently, there had been two incidences in the whole time that this place has been around of people breaching the security. Twice. A house was burglarized four years ago, and a robbery in 2001 caused the development to increase security procedures, and nothing has happened since then. 11 years ago.

Yeah. At present, it present equipped with the it's equipped with what they called what their website called a solid electrified security wall wow um yeah the community seems so safe that even that it seems insane that anyone would worry about anyone breaking in especially because they sleep with their fucking balcony doors open because they're so sure it's safe if he's so worried about oh they must have climbed in through the fuck the tiny bathroom window using the ladder to go wouldn't they just climb in the wide open balcony door using the ladder wouldn't that be easier after they

beat the solid electrified face after they did that these are some crazy but you know what if i'm a criminal and i touch a wall and go, that shit's electrified, what is in there to protect me? That's got to be great. I got to get in there. So he is allowed to go free while awaiting trial. They charge him with murder, but he's allowed to go free. Bail is set at, it's basically $113,000 is the bail. It's one million rand, which is their level of, or level, their currency. So they do rule that he's not allowed to return to his home where

the killing took place while this is going on because it's you know crime scene uh his attorney successfully appealed the bail restrictions which included abstinence from alcohol and not returning to his house so not only can he go back to his house but he can get shit hammered there too and uh also he can resume traveling and racing basically life goes on do your thing cleared to leave south africa he just must submit travel plans to the court yeah uh the prosecutor said quote it's like he's dancing on riva's grave see uh the women's league uh will pick at the court every day of pistorius's upcoming trial and uh basically if the magistrate who uh will alone determine the verdict which we'll talk

about in a second sets oscar free the league will protest until the ends of oscar's days uh they said that they were they want him in jail basically uh in south africa there is no jury trials how does this work you're you have a trial before a judge judge and the judge has two assessors that are like i think i don't know if they're their assistants they can help them talk about it with them whatever three person jury essentially kind of but the judge is the only opinion that really matters yeah so that's what it is down there it's weird so the day before oscar has to plead innocent or guilty his brother um has a bail his brother carl has to appear in court on a culpable homicide charge stemming from a 2008 car accident in which he collided with a female motorist and killed her

oh my god uh and uh richard poplek of the daily maverick in johannesburg said said quote accidentally killing women would appear to be a family past which is pretty funny i'm sorry i gotta give the guy credit for that that was below that's below the belt yeah a little below the knee uh carl uh pleads not guilty to that charge now um his father oscar's father hanky here made some comments that just did not help at all the situation oh boy uh this is the speaking to the press the day after the shooting okay so it's still real hot yeah oh yeah he said that the african national congress has failed to protect white people from crime oh no this is his statement hence the need for people like him

to arm themselves that's what he said well of course my son's arming themselves so white people are scared shitless over here. What do you want? Yeah, he, wow, that's fucking wild. So he made it worse by stating with, quote, as a family, we value life too much to produce guns at every opportunity we can use them. I've been in positions where I could use a gun, but we've been brought up in a way that we value the lives of others highly. It's like even when we can shoot people legally, we don't do it. We're nice people here.

Wow. Another government minister blamed Reva's death on the culture of Afrikaners. Quote, young Afrikaner men, she said, were brought up in the Calvinist religion. That's the it's a Dutch Afrikaners, the Dutch people there. Basically, that's a really basic explanation of it. But the Calvinist religion, believing that they own a woman, they own a child, they own everything, and therefore they can take that life because they own it. She did apologize and retract her remarks afterwards. Said that the person who wrote that, but still said that tried to say that this is part of it here.

It's a society. Yeah. Yeah. And so Oscar pleads not guilty. He says it didn't do it. Fucking, you know, intruder. Burglar. I don't know how she's dead.

I don't know why she broke into my house to try to steal shit, but she's dead now. Oh, by the way, the civil matter is now settled. Basically, the woman who he broke the glass on in 2009, they've been having a back and forth lawsuit going on. He agrees to drop his counter lawsuit and pay her shit because he says, quote, I agreed to it because I was so this is the her saying this Taylor memory. I agreed to it because I was so tired of it weighing me down. It became so difficult at a stage that I needed a bodyguard when I went out in public due to all the hate rants. Now they knew who she was because of this whole thing. So he drops his thing, pays her $200,000, and that's that.

And his lawyer said, basically, I advised him that he can't fight legal and civil battles at the same time. Can't fight those fronts all at once. Too much stuff. Get rid of that. Focus on not going to prison. So the trial starts. No juries, like we said. It's Judge Thokazile Masipa, who's assisted by two assessors.

If found guilty, he could face life in prison. If he's acquitted of murder, they also must consider an alternative charge of culpable homicide which he could receive about 15 years for now the state called witnesses saying they heard shouting the night that she was killed and you know that was they said they heard it all the way leading up to the gunshots not only afterwards like he says that that

was him screaming afterwards and in horror obviously they bring of a psychiatrist in here and this is the defense team brings in a psychiatrist to explain oscar's actions away he says this is dr vorster he says that oscar's more likely to respond to any threat with fight rather than flight that's how he is he said the it's an anxiety disorder was the result of the surgery at 11 months old to remove his lower legs. She called it a traumatic assault for an infant that age that would harbor that later on and then shoot their girlfriend in the bathroom.

She also said that Oscar felt remorse over Reva's death. She said, quote, he feels guilty and developed a depressive disorder as a result. He's also been sitting in fucking jail, which what's he depressed about? I don't drive a McLaren and do all the things I like to do anymore or that Riva's dead. We don't know. I don't get to live my playboy lifestyle. That's what I mean. There's a lot of reasons he could be depressed right now that may not be from guilt.

The psychiatrist said that the reactions of Oscar in the early morning hours of that day would have been different to that of a normal able bodbodied person that doesn't have generalized anxiety disorder. She said, however, though, this would not have affected his ability to distinguish between right and wrong. And then that's up to the court to figure that out. But she does think that the anxiety disorder diminished his responsibility. She said, I think the generalized anxiety is relevant to the case, but the court will have to decide she said that they're not very uncommon but and also aren't signs of mental illness but uh she did say that safety measures at his home were quote out of proportion to the threat of crime in south africa he acted like he lived you know like he was a fucking drug dealer who you know was sitting on he was like from like the stash house on the wire, basically, acted like he lived at.

Like, calm the fuck down. So she said that his parents separated when he was six. His father was not a responsible parent. The psychiatrist said, quote, he was largely absent and his mother was anxious, sleeping with a firearm under her pillow. She said that basically the state prosecutor asked whether someone with anxiety disorder plus guns would be a danger to society. And she said, yes, his actions when he shot his girlfriend should be seen in the context of anxiety, is what the doctor said. So the prosecution said, great, let's take him for a mental observation. Then if that's the fucking problem here. So they're trying to figure that out.

observation than if that's the fucking problem here so they're trying to figure that out now the forensics of this uh like we said uh during the forensics the showing of all the pictures of the body and everything like that uh he throws up and sobs and throws up in court oscar does oh yeah he's sobbing show he's sobbing he's throwing up uh yeah he sat with his head bowed covering his hand covering his ears with his hands, too. He doesn't even want to hear. Like a child. Now, his uncle recounted an incident when his son had slept over at Oscar's house and made a noise when he got up to get a drink of water in the middle of the night. He said, quote, Oscar came running out with a gun in his hand.

God, Jesus. So he's trying to say, this is what Oscar does. You make a noise in his house, he comes out ready to buck shots. That's it. You better stay in your fucking bed until Oscar gets up. That's what I'm saying.

All right, he's making coffee. I smell coffee. I'll get up now. Is that bacon I hear? Oh, boy. He says, quote, no one is safe in South Africa. They don't just come in and tie you up

and rob you of your assets. They denigrate you in front of your family. They rape your wife and urinate over your children and shoot the man in the back of the head and leave the kids without a father. So here he is, a kid who hasn't got legs. He hears noises in the house, has his girlfriend in the home and straight away goes into full combat mode and panics. He thinks, I've got to protect this girl.

That's the only way I could think it could have happened to this poor kid. That's what he said. That's the only way it could have happened to this poor kid that's what he said that's the only way it could have happened to this poor kid he shot her not poor kid she's dead it's it stinks of uh talk about building a straw man he just built a straw man that raped you and urinated on your kids that's a pretty crazy straw man it certainly stinks of a man who uh doesn't have legs and is realizing very quickly that his career is going to be over soon. Oh, yeah. And if this hot chick leaves him, how's he going to get another hot one when his career

is done? You better never leave me. And then he hears her texting in there. Get out of the bathroom. Who are you on the phone with? I'm going to start shooting, bitch. They're arguing. And I don't even think he would have. I don't even think he would have i don't even think he would have told her i think see it all i

think she ran in there to get away from him closed the fucking door and he was like open the door open the door she wouldn't open the door because the shit was locked and so uh yeah i to me personally i think that um yeah i think that he was shooting first and knew exactly what he was fucking doing probably i was trying to scare her uh he also then uh he testifies okay after his uncle calls him a poor kid oscar testifies on his own behalf and he's weeping and all this shit he first apologizes to reena's family he said i would like to take this opportunity to apologize to mr and mrs steam camp to reva's family uh he said that uh he's now taking antidepressants and all that sort of thing. And he said to those of you who knew her who are in court today, he was nervous and everything else.

He said he said that his mother, he talked about his mother lending him the courage to overcome his disability. He said, if I fell, she told me to get myself up. She treated me the same way as my brother and sister. He that people's uh perceptions of him changed because they saw how he perceived himself and that he was you know uh he he didn't feel bad about himself so they don't feel bad for him basically he described his childhood home as quote not in the best of suburbs africa's richest mile right not in the best of suburbs and that it was broken into many times. He said that his mother slept with a gun under her pillow

because of the constant break-ins. He told of his father being carjacked twice. Rarely does that happen in your own bedroom, though. I've never been carjacked at 3 in the morning in my own bedroom. That's difficult. I don't think. No. No, it's a hard one. You'd have to be tough.

And how he himself had been followed more than once. Okay. He spoke of general crime in South Africa. He said he got dogs to alert him to people breaking into his house and everything like that. He also spoke of religion and the Christian faith that he and Riva shared together. He told the court that his God is a God of refuge and that prayer got him through the last year since the death. My God is an awesome God. He's a refuge God.

My God is a refuge God. He shoots right through the door for bullet holes and you fall right down. You ain't going to be alive no more. you ain't gonna be alive no more you can't say my god is and that's not not go through my head so uh oscar then describes himself as charitable and details a depression he says he has nightmares he can't sleep nor does he want to he said when he wakes all he can do is smell riva's blood and he's haunted by it uh he said quote, this has there hasn't been a moment. I haven't thought about this tragedy.

I'm sure he regrets it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He said he was just trying to protect Riva and that's all it was. Then the cross examination came and they went, listen, fucking limp legs. Let's have a minute of a talk here, asshole. minute of a talk here asshole he uh he said that uh he asserted that the star athlete here had a string of unlikely excuses for why he wasn't to blame for the three gun charges he faced on top of the fucking murder of everything else uh also uh while cross-examining him uh jerry neal that's

the prosecutor was saying that he's lying about killing his girlfriend by mistake. He asserted that Oscar wouldn't accept responsibility for anything and basically reacted incredulously to Oscar's explanation of why a gun was being handled under a table because he tried to explain why he was doing that. He said, Oscar's explanation why the gun went off under the table, he said the Glock went off while he was holding it, but he insisted that he didn't pull the trigger. He said he didn't pull the trigger.

He said he didn't pull the trigger. So then a police expert did a test on it, and earlier in the trial said the Glock couldn't be fired without the trigger being pulled. That's how they work, generally. He said he grabbed it, never touched the trigger, and just went off. Generally not, no. Wow. That's dangerous. It's a dangerous piece of equipment you got there, sir.

You've got the only Glock on Earth that operates by itself. It's pretty amazing. It's an auto Glock. If you don't rack it and have one in the chamber, guess what? Never is going to go off on accident. Well, there's no bullet there, so it'd be hard to go off. It's never going to happen. He says, the prosecutor said, we have you in possession of the gun. A shot went off, but you didn't discharge the gun.

I'm putting it to you. You fired that gun. There's no other way. You are lying lying he says to him which is great and oscar said quote i respect mr nell's comments but i didn't pull the trigger on that firearm like wow you are and also it's said that he took acting classes before he did this too they sent the lawyers took in acting teachers it was i don't know how true it is but there was a big a bunch of media pieces about how they were bringing acting teachers to the jail. That's too much to teach him how to act while he was out on bail and shit, too.

So just in case I get out of here and I got to further my career. Yeah. Yeah. So he said that he he heard he fired four times through the door after hearing a wood sound that he mistook for the door about to open. That's what he said. He said he was thinking a true intruder was about to come out and attack him he said that uh in retrospect the noise he heard was probably the magazine holder being moved by his girlfriend not the door being open so nell said this is the prosecutor that pistoris killed riva intentionally after a fight and he's full of shit um he also said that

uh pistoris he said that pistoris heard him and basically fell against the magazine rack, and that's what Oscar used to adjust his aim, was the sound of where the magazine rack is, because he knows where that would be. He said to Oscar, Nell said, quote, I'm saying you heard the magazine rack and changed your aim. And he said, quote, I wouldn't have heard anyone fall inside of the toilet while i was shooting is his description says oscar's response to that he broke down crying during the whole deal and said that you know he was it's just so ridiculous he said i did not fire at riva as he's crying again he said uh i didn't have time to think about what i wanted to do because they said why didn't you just like do any other of a million other things i didn't have time to think about what I wanted to do because they said, why didn't you just like do any other of a million other things? I didn't have time to think about what I wanted to do is what he said. And Nell said, quote, you never gave them a chance in your version, basically saying,

you know, you didn't know whether it was an unarmed burglar. There could have been a who the fuck knows could have been in anything could have happened. You have to figure it out. He said to Pistorius, you're tailoring your version as you're sitting here. And he accused him of being a stickler for detail on some matters, and then other times he's very vague and doesn't remember things. You remember things sometimes here.

Pistorius also said two witnesses, a former girlfriend and a friend, were both lying about an incident in 2012 when he's alleged to have fired his gun out of the sunroof of a moving car. They're both lying. I'm telling the truth. He said have fired his gun out of the sunroof of a moving car they're both lying i'm telling the truth um he said that he wasn't guilty of the illegal possession of the 38 caliber ammunition found in his safe either because that's his father's so it's not mine i'm not guilty

but his father uh nell said his father has refused to make a statement to the police that it's his ammunition so there's that he said you just don't want to make a statement to the police that it's his ammunition. So there's that. He said, you just don't want to accept a responsibility for anything. And he said, Oscar's just sat there and took it. So next, he said to him, quote, your life is just about you. And he claimed that Oscar wasn't humble enough to apologize in private to the family and away from the media glare of the murder trial, which is being broadcast live around the world. So now you choose to apologize. You could have wrote wrote them a letter anytime in the last year and apologized he said oscar said that's not true he said his lawyers have been in touch with representatives of riva's family and that he believed the family was not ready to meet

him and he said i completely understood where they were coming from and all that sort of shit here now nell also asserted that oscar was sometimes mean to riva pressing on about her objection to him playing a song okay apparently she didn't like kendrick lamar's she didn't like kendrick lamar all right wasn't a fan all right and he referred to the song in a text message to riva that acknowledged her objections to the song and that has been included in the trial. This is silly. The prosecutor asked whether the name of the song was, quote, bitch don't kill my vibe.

But Oscar said he couldn't remember the name of the specific song, and Nell responded that Riva would have been right to take offense, but we can't ask her. So they tried to make it out like that was the way. Another phone message from Riva to Oscar was shown in court, includes the line, quote, you make me happy 90% of the time

and I think we're amazing together, but I am not some other bitch you may know trying to kill your vibe. So that's the whole thing. Nell said that he checked all of Rina's text messages on her phone, and the phrase, I love you, appeared only twice in those missives. On both occasions, they were written by Rina to her mother, or Riva to her mother. So never to you and you never to her, he said.

Well, they hadn't been together that long, so that's fine. Two months. And he says, I never got the opportunity to tell her that I loved her. That was Oscar's response. So the judge here, he says that, quote the opportunity to tell her that i loved her that was oscar's response so the judge here he says that uh quote or she says although he may have been anxious it's inconceivable that a rational person could have believed he was entitled to fire at this person with a heavy caliber firearm without taking even the most elementary precaution of firing a warning shot which the accused said he elected not to fire as he thought the ricochet might harm him what about me yeah right the accused must have foreseen and therefore did so foresee

that whoever was behind the toilet door might die but reconciled himself to that event and occurring that event occurring and gambled with that person's life and he is found guilty of culpable homicide really which is manslaughter basically the equivalent uh the there the prosecutor said they're going to appeal the conviction it should be murder and not that so the sentencing comes around october 2014 you sir may fuck off they give him five years what five fucking years for killing this poor woman so that's october 2014 by june 2015 he's recommended for parole already already already recommended for parole a year under south african law he's eligible for release under correctional supervision having served a sixth of his sentence what a sixth wow um so that's laughable he is released to house arrest

for like a minute in july 2015 before they change their mind yeah take him back now october 2015 uh her mom riva's mom june makes the speech that Reva was supposed to give to that high school. She makes that speech for her, which is nice and poor. Elizabeth, she does the same. She does this speech for her. She goes and gives a rape speech. A rape speech for her murdered daughter. Yeah, this is a rape speech for my murder.

How sad can you get? Hi, this is a rape speech for my murdered daughter. Okay. That's she did say, though, quote, I've got no feelings of revenge. This is the mother about Oscar. I don't want to hurt him. He's already a disabled person. I did not want him to be thrown into jail and suffering because I don't wish that on anyone.

And it's not going to bring Reva back. But in my heart, I don't want revenge toward him. I am past that. Wow. She didn't want him to go to jail uh she's that's crazy she's very sweet she's a sweet lady man she practices what she's preaching there uh december 2015 he's back in court and due to the prosecutor's appeal the judge because basically the trials already happened so the record's all there you can read

the whole record and then the judge basically decides whether this was okay. So the judge says, you know what? That was a bad decision. Matter of fact, now guilty of murder. We changed our fucking minds. Now you're a murderer. Enjoy. Not a manslaughter.

Can you imagine? Huh? Thank God they don't do that here. That's wild. That seems crazy. That's wild. That seems a bit much. But in this case, it's right.

Yeah, we love that it's happening to him, but it could happen to anybody. This is a bit much but in this case it's right yeah we love that it's happening to him but it could happen to anybody this is a bit much july 6th 2016 is sentencing prosecutors asking for 15 years now instead of five but before announcing the uh sentence the judge said that uh she said that quote i am of the view that long term in prison will not serve justice in this matter the accused has already served 12 months in prison i already served 12 months imprisonment he is a first offender and he will likely not re-offend what are you talking about who cares if he's likely to re-offend he killed a fucking young woman this is crazy he she cited uh substantial mitigating factors in the case of the double amputee saying that long-term jail just would not serve justice you sir yeah may readjust six years in prison now gave him an extra year yeah wow uh the prosecutor is like what the

fuck yeah they're mad the prosecutor said that uh the prosecutors earlier indicated they would appeal any sentence under eight years opposed on him so they said appeal at six two fuck it let's do it let's see what the fuck we can get this guy because i mean jesus christ man if you're them you're like we make the case we find him guilty gets fucking five years what are we supposed to do here this is incredible you gotta feel fucking bad for those guys they're doing their job i mean i feel bad for them but not nearly as bad as i feel for oscar pistorius operations at cis like crime and sports that's awesome cis oil and gas nigeria limited in the greater denver area poor bastard that is him oh by the way oscar

pistorius management at mining or consultants in south africa there is two of them. In South Africa. In South Africa, too. By the way, after he's convicted, the BBC Sports Personality of the Year Helen Rawlinson Award is revoked. Oh, they took it away. And the university took back their doctorate, which is fucking hilarious. Obviously, all of his sponsors dropped him.

They waited like a week to drop him, by the way. Nike, all those sponsors waited to see how it played out, to see if they would say it was an accident or whatever before they dropped him they waited like a week to drop him by the way nike all those sponsors waited to see how it played out to see if they would say it was an accident or you know whatever before they dropped him that's how bad so much they loved him yeah as they waited a fucking week after he was standing over his dead girlfriend with three bullet holes in her and he's got a gun in his hand 2017 in november uh the supreme court justice William Ceridi, agreed that the sentence of six years imprisonment is, quote, shockingly lenient to a point where it has the effect of trivializing the seriousness of the offense. Better known as fucking ridiculous in terms of murder. Storius displays a lack of remorse and does not appreciate the gravity of his actions. You, sir, may fuck off a little bit more.

15 years. How's that? 15 years minus time served. That's the usual minimum sentence for murder is 15 years. It was one sixth of it. Well, he has 13 years, five months remaining, taking into account his time already in prison and her house arrest. The steam camps, Reva's family applauded the sentence.

They said, quote, this is an emotional thing for us. They just feel like their trust in the justice system has been confirmed this morning. It just took years. Under the terms of the new sentence, which is backdated to replace the July 2016 sentence, he won't be eligible for parole until 2023. He's got three more years and uh the previous uh sentence allowed him to be eligible in 2019 he must serve at least half a sentence to be eligible on a murder charge uh so december 2017 while he's in jail uh he uh apparently it's

the adder adder ridge correctional Center, which is facilities for disabled prisoners. He is fucking attacked in prison by somebody. Really? He gets bruised up by a fellow inmate over the use of the public telephone in prison. So another disabled person fucks him up in jail over a phone because he doesn't have a gun. He doesn't have a gun. Yeah, he wasn't seriously injured, but just was all bruised up and battered a little bit. I hope they Joe Pesci him and just beat him with the phone.

You fucking mutt. I love that in casinos. They're just whacking the guy with the fucking phone receiver. I think it was Don Rickles. No, no, no, no. It was his big mook guy that went over and was rude to Don. Didn't he hit Don Rickles with a phone? No, no.

Don Rickles ran the... He ran the... Yeah, the casino floor. Yeah, yeah, but this was... Didn't he beat up Don Rickles with a phone? No, he fucked with Don Rickles. But in the booth when he was talking to De Niro going, come on, let him back in. Nothing will happen again.

Blah, blah, blah. And the guy's standing there. Yeah, then he beat up the big guy. He turns around and he goes, come here for a second. He fucking whacks him in the forehead with the phone. You dumb motherfucker taking your fucking, you shit kicking dumb motherfucker. You put your fucking feet on the filthy fucking feet on this goddamn table. You filthy cowboy shit kicking fucking assholes.

I love that so much. Anyway, I'm pretty sure he hit Don Rickles for a while through the whole phone. Yeah, that's right. He had the whole phone on him. I feel like that was an outtake, too, because Don Rickles rolled over and like was like he had his hands up and his face was like in a smile. I was like, I was when I saw it. I was like, what?

They've got that. What happened there? Why is Don smiling? Hey. up and his face was like in a smile i was like i was when i saw it i was like should they have cut that what happened there why is don smiling hey so anyway that's where he is he stays in prison until at least 2023 yeah can't get enough of oscar yeah i don't know have your legs removed from the knees down and try to run on those things or you can there's tons of stuff there's all he had so much merch out there and there's t-shirts and inspirational horse shit with him and autographs everywhere and you can't get away from oscar pastora scrap goofy memes too about shooting your girlfriend i'm sure yeah shooting your girlfriend and shooting for the stars yeah shooting for the stars and then shooting for your girlfriend one

of the two you know shit like that aim high yeah aim high she could be standing things like that. Aim high. Yeah. Aim high. She could be standing. Things like that. Shit like that. You know how it goes. Fuck you, man. You never know. But that is Oscar Pistorius. Yeesh. What a garbage human being, man. Right?

What a dick. It stinks to me, though, of just a horribly, horribly, what's the word I'm looking for? Just feeling like less of a man you know i mean insecurity insecure just a horribly insecure man horribly insecure man feels like mixed with after the last few years this giant ego that's developed if you secure entitlement is insane if you get that combination of personality features especially in a guy where you get ego and insecurity oh boy that's ugly that is fucking ugly and it's ironic they shouldn't even go together you know what i mean you would think so but they can they go together all like a hand in a glove sometimes

i've known a lot of people like that that have no self-esteem and the biggest ego possible it's like how the fuck it's got to be that guy you operate yeah like yeah i'm i feel like he's like i'm me now you can't well he's probably against me he's probably also got that that uh fraud uh complex too because he knows that i mean scientifically it's been proven that he's not even a fucking athlete yeah he knows that the legs are helping the only reason he's fast is because he's got this carbon fiber it's helping a lot yeah if he had yeah i don't think he's fast is because he's got this carbon fiber. It's helping a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think he's got to have that fraud thing. I think everybody has that anyway, unless you're like, you know, Michael Jordan, you know, you're not a fucking fraud, but someone like that.

If a scientist came to us. Yeah. But if a scientist came to us and said, you're not even a comedian scientifically, we've already established scientifically the microphone and the fucking that's all it is. That's true. Yeah. You're not a you're not a comedian. Yeah. said that scientist you'd be like oh i am a fraud yeah now this is on paper now shit you're gonna give this to everybody you're right you're right

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