Crime in Sports - #221 - Just One Big Misunderstanding - The Heedlessness of Derrick Coleman

Episode Date: August 18, 2020

This week, we look at a man who had all the size & ability to be an all time NBA great, but seemed to lack in the desire department. He did show a desire for getting arrested, as he had many more trips to jail, than the all-star game. He punches people in bars, gets accused of worse, all white referring to himself in the third person & blowing $91 million! What a mess!! Grow tall & strong, don't ever let anybody tell you anything, and gain the body weight equalling a small human with Derrick Coleman!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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From the Sixers. Yeah. From a bunch of people here. Oh, boy, did he bounce around. He got passed around at the end of his career. Kind of like somebody on a Minnesota Viking love boat. He was so good, though. Well, not...

He was good for a couple years yeah derrick coleman was a to me when you look at him he's more of like a smoke screen of of a good player he's a player that should be really good i remember him and then he's not dominant you remember the bk commercials that he was on because he was on a shitload of bk commercials like so he was it would seem like from the how many nets games did you watch in 92 maybe four you think in 92 i lived in new york and i didn't watch any and they were on tv and we were like nope no one watched the fucking nets so i mean that's all they had was derrick coleman but kenny anderson came later yeah that 92 93 they started to get some young talent but it just

never i remember it was supposed to everyone was trying to act like that was going to be like, oh, they're going to be the next big thing, and they just never really. Never capitalized. It never came to fruition, and the reason is, one of the reasons is Derek Coleman is Derek Coleman. So let's talk about him. All right. He is Derek Demetrius Coleman, and he really seems to try to hide that, because I don't

know if he does or not, but on everything, even like basketball reference and different sites where they usually have a player's full name, it just says Derek D. Coleman. Wow. So I had to find him finally on a like a background check site and I found him on there. Demetrius is that middle name. So he's known as D.C., not the greatest nickname or later in his career because he's Derek Demetrius. He should be known as Double D after his giant, l luscious milky tits that he grows later on in his career oh yeah he's

on the list of fattest nba players ever he became a bit he looked like a giant milk dud at the end of his career he was just a big fat guy whose head just kind of melted into his shoulders yeah and he was just a big he looked like that bad guy in He-Man. Yeah, yeah. What was that thing even called? A Ram Man. He wasn't a bad guy. No? No, that's Big Ed from 90 Day Fiance's Ram Man.

Sorry. Maybe it's not He-Man. What the fuck was that guy? You know what? I know what you're talking about, too. No, he's not He-Man, but I know exactly what you're talking about, and I can't pick.

80s cartoon. Argonaut or some shit like that? I don't know. 80s cartoon villain. Yeah. Yeah, totally. just a big box a big yeah with a big muscular arms yeah that's kind of derrick coleman so he is born on june 21st 1967 down in mobile alabama is where he's from but he doesn't grow up down there so much grows up up in detroit yeah so that's a deal there he's very close with his mom when he grows up. His mom's name is Dassey.

And Derek is an only child, which is, for some reason in crime and sports, we very, very rarely come across an only child. Yeah. Like, we never see that. Wow. Hardly ever. It's very strange.

Was the only other one, like, Hope Solo? No, she has a brother, doesn't she? Yeah, they got in a big fracas. No, I'm sure there's others, but it's real. Did Liverbrook have it? Yeah, Marinovich might have been, because they didn't have any time to concentrate on anybody else. Couldn't even fuck to make more kids. That's what I mean.

They didn't want to. They had to shift changes of feed and liver. Well, yeah, they had to change his oil and wax him and shit, whatever they did to Marinovich. Make sure he's full of fluids. Make sure he's full of kidneys and fluid so uh yeah he's an only child um he doesn't know his dad he never really knew his dad so there's very little known about his dad other than i assume he's a giant man probably if he produced derrick who grows up to be 6 10 and a giant fucking guy he's just a big he's yeah he's a big guy derek too he's he gets fat and his frame can take it because he's one of these guys that's got big wrists big ankles big head

yeah he's not one of these guys who's just like oh he's a big beanpole he's not like sean bradley sean bradley who if you don't remember him the storm and mormon himself was a seven foot six big white center but he looked like a guy who was 5 10 that they just like through a computer program like stretched in a weird way to seven foot six he looked like like what mike tv became at the end of willie wonka because they took him to the taffy puller exactly yeah and he's just as big gang it gets weird doesn't look the arms don't even fit the body whereas derrick coleman is completely proportional he just looks like a very you know stout dude who just happens to be six fucking ten also so he's a big guy yeah six nine and a half six ten derrick coleman big guy he's a power forward

so apparently his father left his mother when he was just a little baby like very small infant so and never really got involved in his life or anything like that uh not a good investment strategy for him i I would say. Well, no, considering that Derek makes almost $100 million in his career. Holy shit. Probably ran out on the wrong horse there, is what I'm saying. Yeah. Didn't bet on the wrong horse.

You fucking ran away from the wrong horse. Or maybe he had other seeds to sow. We have no idea. He'll make more of these unbelievable athletes that can produce money. Maybe. Who knows how many large, tall children he has running around. So she raised him herself, by herself in Mobile, before finally moving to Detroit when he was in elementary school, I believe, or early middle school, something like that.

Moved to Detroit where her mother lived, where Dasty's mom lived. So they moved up with Grandma. Need a little help feeding this fucking monster. He's a big, yeah yeah he's growing big and uh and i guess he she wanted to have family around and shit like that and he grew up in detroit and he said it was a tough upbringing because if you think about it he came there in about 1980 so i mean that's that's a rough time in detroit man it ain't pretty no that's a rough time in a lot of american cities in detroit was like oh bad that was that was some stuff going on in 1980 so he said quote there are neighborhoods where things that you don't expect to happen happen i've seen people get shot i didn't i

didn't stay around to find out who it was so yeah he says um he also didn't really care about basketball that much when he was a kid. Yeah. He had, this is the problem with Derek Coleman and it goes to later on. And I understand it. I'm not saying he's a bad person for this, but he has no passion for basketball. Sports are one of those things where if you're big and talented and you practice a lot and you're athletic and everything, you can be good at sports,

but you, that extra thing that makes people actually win right is the thing that they they're really into it and passionate about the game yeah like michael jordan you could look and say whatever you want about michael jordan but that fucking guy i feel like would go home and eat and put a deflated basketball on his dinner plate and cut it up with a fucking knife and eat it you know what i mean like all he fucking he cared about betting and pussy a lot too but still does when he's into basketball i mean it was focus a thousand percent that's all he fucking he cared about betting and pussy a lot too he did but still does when he's into basketball i mean it was focus a thousand percent that's all he fucking cared about right another

great example that guy loves basketball even like an iverson guys like that there's a drive to them where you can tell they fucking this is their shit this is how they they express what they're who they are and what the fuck they do and how they can show their dominance and they fucking love it. Derek just doesn't have that. That's wild. Derek's just like... I made $100 million doing it. If you're 6'10 and athletic, you can do that.

That's the thing. There's a certain size person you can be in the NBA and it's... They just give you money for it. They just give you money because it's there. If you want to do it, if you want to just turn it on and be dominant, you can and they know it. They're like because it's there if you just if you want to do it if you want to just turn it on and you know be dominant you can and they know it and they're like it's in there somewhere wow we'll give him 80 million dollars and maybe he'll find it maybe that'll pull it out of somewhere so but he didn't really take to basketball immediately though he just didn't like

it he said quote all i used to play was football and baseball i don't even know how i got started in basketball he doesn't even know that's amazing doesn't even i assume he was getting taller and someone said hey you should play basketball hey we need you yeah he should play basketball and he's athletic our center is 510 we need you yeah that's the other thing about derrick for a big guy he is fucking real athletic especially before he's gets fat yeah he's a lot like shack in that way right like if you think of shack you think of think of Shaq, you think of later career Shaq. Then you think of big, lumbering, fat Shaq. The dopey dunk.

Look at 1993 Shaq. He fucking ran like a deer. He was diving, running, jumping. He was athletic as anybody on the floor. His dunks looked cool then. Yeah, and he was 7'1", but he was as athletic as anybody. That's kind of how Derek Coleman was. He ran the floor really well and shit like that.

He was a rim rocker. He was a dunker. He was really good at it. He dunked on Shaq. Did he really? Hard, yeah. There's a famous dunk on Shaq that he did. One-handed, huh?

I don't remember what it was. I bet it's one-handed. Shaq still talks about it. He's pissed off about it still. He said, that's the best dunk anyone ever got on me, he said in his whole career. It's got to be one-handed then. It's fucking Derek Coleman. That's what I mean by the athleticism.

One-handed dunks always look so much cooler. They cooler but it's harder to do too yeah yeah of course you gotta get up both yeah both hands you can't just get half your body one-hand dunks look so right no they look great because you can like hang yeah look like hey it looks they look your body look casual right they look a little more casual athletic yeah two-handed looks mean and aggressive i will put this fucking ball in here whereas one-handed looks like, what's up with that? Float away. As the net does like a little dance. When you dunk it,

like the ball, the net, just the bottom of it goes to the roof and then comes back down. Right. So he went to, he went to call high school in Detroit, obviously. And Harry,

Harry Harrison was one of his coaches here, I believe. And he introduced him to Dave Bing, who would be who was a ballplayer and mayor of Detroit later on and all that kind of shit. So Bing, he said, Coleman said of his coach, quote, he wanted me to have a good role, a good male role model. He couldn't have picked a better one, meaning Bing. Bing said that he didn't know much about he didn't really know about colin at first he said quote he wasn't uh he really wasn't a star or anything at the time he was only about six three or six four so yeah well i mean for a star but he had these long arms and legs so i knew he was going to grow quite a bit more but i wasn't

working with him on his basketball skills. I figured there were people, there would be plenty of other people who would be able to help him with that. I wanted to work with Derek Coleman, the person. So that was his goal, was to try to facilitate a better human being here. And so he was really good, though. One of the state's best ballplayers and everything like that. He went to Northern High School, which we'll talk about in a second a second too because a couple of really fucking cool people went there really fucking cool people northern high school northern high school in detroit and uh by the time he's a junior

and senior he becomes one of the best most highly recruited basketball players in the country because he's 610 and he's athletic and why the hell wouldn't you want this guy on your team he's great so uh he was you know all the colleges are all over him but he decided early on uh that he would want to go to Syracuse for some reason have you if anybody's ever been to Syracuse I don't know what the fuck you're thinking maybe he's a big fan of that jersey he might be a fan he likes orange he loves it I don't know between that and Tennessee and stuck with Syracuse. I don't know what it is, but Syracuse is, as far as a place, like an actual location, it is miserable.

It snows feet there, Jimmy. Not just like, oh, it snowed eight inches last night. You'll wake up and go, oh, it snowed three feet last night. Holy shit, because it's all in the lakes. It's a mess up there. I slept and now I can't find my car. It's not because I'm drunk. Oh, no.

I just don't know where it is. Look outside. I need to get one of those shovel brush things and I'm just going to go brush snow off until I hit glass and that's going to be my car. Jesus Christ. So he talked a lot about growing up in Detroit. He grew up on the west side of Detroit and he said, quote, it was wild in every way it could be.

Drug dealers, whatever. He said, quote, it was wild in every way it could be. Drug dealers, whatever. He said so. He got in a lot of fights over what he called stupid stuff as a kid, trying to fit in and also trying to not be fucked with. You got to fight to not be picked on if you're in a tough area. That's wild. Anybody would go find a six foot four athletic looking man and pick on him.

He's got huge hands. Yeah, he does. If he punches you yeah you are in deep shit it's he's a big guy as we'll find out because he's punched many people over the course of this episode it's just punching and punching and punching always punching i would use those weapons too i mean yeah so uh he says about this why he got in fights and this is uh interesting here because he's already referring to himself in the third person. Oh, no. And this is a quote from college, not even the pros.

Oh, my. He doesn't even have any money yet and he's already doing it. 88. Yeah. He says, quote, nobody is going to tell Derek Coleman how to be. Derek Coleman is going to be Derek Coleman.

I saw a lot of guys shot, I'd say about 10. It's a very scary scene. What a weird thing to say. No, he said his name three times. He did. No, it's going to tell Derek Coleman how to be. Derek Coleman is going to be Derek Coleman.

What the fuck? Possibly my favorite line, maybe, of anyone of Grime. That's a top tenner in Grime and Sports history. What year was that? Was that 88? 88, 89. Probably, yeah. Yeah, late college, junior year of college maybe who

started that shit was that deon sanders and michael no ricky henderson did that way before that in the 80s guys in the 70s started yeah that's true basketball in the 90s it was just football guy or whatever and then ricky henderson really made it kind of a joke yeah as he would use his name seven times in a sentence i mean when ricky henderson thinks about the ricky hendersonism of the whole thing ricky henderson gotta think for a minute and ricky henderson thinks ricky henderson's a good man like that's an actual probably you could find that quote somewhere that's how he is ricky henderson often asks ricky henderson ricky and i and ricky says and ricky will say to ricky ricky ricky say to ricky ricky you're ricky you don't let anybody not tell you not to be ricky because you're ricky you got it ricky ricky say cool

ricky how do they how they not realize how fucking dumb they sound ricky henderson's on another planet he's on another planet derrick coleman i think this he went through a phase because later on he doesn't use third person shit like that is paying ricky henderson though because people are like i gotta get a quote from ricky that's the thing say some wild shit like that that's what happens nobody's going to derrick coleman and going say some wild yeah i feel like that was just kind of a thing in the late 80s like athletes started referring themselves in the third person then it became like a joke and then like you can tell he stops doing it they taper it off yeah derrick's not dumb by any stretch of the imagination he's not a dumb guy he's not a ricky he's not ricky henderson who's not another planet he knows what the fuck he's doing he's fine he's

smart he's just uh he's calculated just follows his friends idiot or asshole he falls more in the asshole spectrum than idiot spectrum by far he knows exactly what he's doing yeah so uh yeah no one's gonna tell derrick coleman how to be derrick coleman's gonna be derrick coleman why didn't i do in their own words on that you know what fuck it it needs to have music over i don't even care if we've already said it it's happening right now in their own words in their own words quote nobody is going to tell derrick coleman how to be derrick coleman is going to be der Coleman how to be. Derek Coleman is going to be Derek Coleman. I saw a lot of guys shot, I'd say about 10.

It's a very scary scene. Oh, that's great. Derek Coleman ain't scared, though, because he's Derek Coleman. So, wow. He says, one particular incident, he remembers running cross country. Apparently, before the basketball season, he would do cross country to stay in shape yeah and if you remember in high school cross country people they don't they're not confined to the track no they run like down the street and like you know you'll fight like four neighborhoods

over you're like what the fuck are these kids doing it's not fair i'm trying to get out of here go smoke weed and these guys just get to go run around they're running from i remember leaving school and like seeing the cross country kids kids two miles down the road in a big line on the side of the road. And I'm like, I'm on the way to smoke weed. They have to run two miles back to school before they can even consider it. So we have different goals, people. Very different goals. Jam your weed into your tall socks and just duck down an alleyway.

Those guys were always such... They were focused on school. They wanted the jacket for doing that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. socks and just like duck down an alleyway but those guys were always such they were they were they were focused on school yeah they wanted the jacket for doing that shit yeah yeah yeah there's no weed smoking jacket no if there was got a big hornets logo on the back if there was i would have had a lot of letters and things and it would have been on kutraman yeah i had a lot of letters for it it just said they spelled out charlotte hornets across the back of my bomber jacket your big fucking puffy starter puffy starter jacket. Yeah, I like those because they had pockets on the inside.

So many pockets. Four-year weed. That was a great jacket. It was a fantastic jacket to sell weed out of. It was good. So he says that he's running cross-country from Northern High. And while he was running with the school there there he saw someone get shot while he was running they're just running someone got shot along the way and all the kids picked up the pace a little

bit i imagine on the way back made better time they were going like wow that was great fucking coach is like my goodness we could be an olympic cross country this is amazing you guys are champions this is incredible when he looks at the stopwatch. You can never duplicate it. Why is that? It's amazing. Why? He goes, what? Boing. Huh? Record? No way. Wow.

Oh, my goodness. You guys run down an alley. All of you. Take a shortcut. Even Limpy. Limpy, you're here even in record time. How'd you beat everybody? This is amazing.

This is amazing. Somebody's shooting a homeless guy. Yeah. Ah. So he said, quote, I didn't know them, and I didn't stay around to find out who they were. And so he said he just wanted to get out of Detroit. That was his only goal.

He wanted to get the hell out of Detroit. That's one thing. If you want to get out of Detroit, you can't find a place that is more opposite than Syracuse. I mean, Syracuse and Detroit, it's amazing that they're in the same country. They're way different. So Northern High, a couple people went here number one a guy who played for the detroit pistons named bill bunton went uh played there and also uh aretha franklin went here what fucking aretha franklin and if that's not enough for you yeah you're like

aretha franklin i like the queen of queen of soul fuck her nobody needs her but what about smoky robinson because he fucking went here too smoky robinson and aretha franklin went here the same of Queen of Soul. Fuck her. Nobody needs her. But what about Smokey Robinson? There you go. Because he fucking went here too. Smokey Robinson and Aretha Franklin went here. At the same high school. Probably near the same time. Maybe she was a little bit earlier. She seems a little older than him.

Not much. Not much, though. It's a few years. But I mean, that's... There have to be like brothers and sisters that went to school with both of them. With both of them. Can you fucking believe it? Can you believe this shit?

Yeah. And then we also have Derek Coleman. Yeah. Well, then what happened? One of those will be forgotten. Fuck. What happened? So 85, 86 in his senior year, he is a McDonald's All-American, which the McDonald's All-America

team is pretty much like your top elite top 25 guys. Highest burger sales. No, that is is that's just they sponsor the best athletes they have a game there where it's the top 25 best college player high school prospects and they all get picked up but you know it's a showcase for them basically so he is 6 10 to 30 at that point and we'll say beyond, because that weight is just going to swell over the course of the years. And later on, it says that he's 250, and I'm like, your ass he's 250. He's 6'10".

I know guys that are 6'3", 250, and they're not even close to as fat as him. Derek Coleman. Derek Coleman was going 320 if he was a fucking ounce in his heyday. If he was a fucking ounce, he was over heyday if he was a fucking ounce he was over three bills no doubt in my mind that's awesome no doubt so 86 87 he goes to syracuse coach jim boeheim who he'll talk a lot of shit about later really yeah he didn't like him was boeheim a dick later i feel like i know that name for he's been he's been coaching forever really he might still be there if i don't remember yeah that might be. He's been there literally since the 80s.

He was there for 30 years. And either he's a commentator now or he's still coaching the fucking Orangemen. I'm not sure which one. Syracuse just had a good run a couple years ago. Every few years they pop up in basketball and football. I think that might be where I recognize him because he's probably the coach if he's still coaching. He definitely was coaching as of like 10 years ago. i mean he's he's one of those he's one of those lifers yeah and if you're in college basketball as long as you don't like you know hit a kid or fucking beat someone with a

chair or do whatever bobby knight did you can stay somewhere forever or turn your head while your assistant diddles fucking nine that's the other thing you can do yeah that we got to do sandusky one of these days but it's just so gross it's so hard to take the whole thing you can do. Yeah, that. We got to do Sandusky one of these days, but it's just so gross. It's so hard to take. The whole thing is just so gross. All the words that were said are disgusting. I don't know how to make that funny yet. We've only done this 221 times now, and I don't know yet how to make that funny. We'll get there.

I mean, at minimum, the funniest part about it is that Coach P. He was picture of health until sandusky dropped dead killed him killed him immediately accusations against his assistant he was like 88 but still he died quick it gave him cancer he died quick vicious cancer that whole thing like maybe that'll be like our last episode we'll say that episode and be like all right bye it's not even a sign off. Just, all right, see you later. Now that you know that's out there in the world, see you later.

Goodbye. Have a good one, everybody. So Derek says of Syracuse, he loved it. He said, quote, I like the environment and I really like the fans. All they do in Syracuse is just shovel snow and watch basketball. Fair enough. And it's a big arena, too. The Carrier Dome there, it's about 25,000.

Carrier, like the air conditioning sponsor? I guess so, yeah. It's probably them, huh? Maybe, yeah. Unless it's the fucking airplanes. I don't know. Carrier Dome. It's been that forever.

I mean, for 30 years. So it might be like the Orange Dome or some shit now or some other corporate sponsor. But 25,000 is a lot for college basketball. That's an enthusiastic crowd here. He liked that. He liked that it was a big crowd. He dug that. He liked the opportunity.

They weren't going to redshirt him or anything. He's going to start as a freshman. So that's the other reason why he went there. He's got the opportunity to start as a freshman, and he started every game of his freshman season. We'll talk about it. But he said Syracuse itself, outside of the fans and the people who were great, wasn't really his type of place. Which, if you grow up in Detroit, I can imagine why Syracuse.

I couldn't survive two weeks in Syracuse. I'd lose my fucking mind. I swear to God, you'd find me running through the wilderness toward the Canadian border going, where's the fucking Toronto? I can't take it anymore. It's super close to Rochester, too, right? It's all in that western New York, Lake shithole snow belt of New York. Ugh, Western New York sucks.

So he says, it was a big adjustment because Syracuse is so boring. Fair. When I first got there, it was like, oh, man, I think I made the wrong decision. I think at the beginning of the season, I was kind of homesick. Yeah. I don't know how any freshman who changes environments. Going anywhere. Yeah, it would be hard to do that.

It's probably exciting if you're leaving fucking Mobile and going to Miami. Yeah, yeah. It's probably pretty cool for a minute. That's what I mean. And then you're like, whichever direction you go, you either want the smaller area or you want the bigger area. You're going to USC. You're like, this is cool. The beach and all that shit.

But if you go to Syracuse, especially in the winter to play college basketball, this is miserable. Winter starts about early August there. Got to really get your summer in quick. It starts at a full swing by now, I'm sure. They've already had their first snow. Oh, God. They're skiing over there right now. Forget it.

I don't even think there's mountains over there. You're west of the Adirondacks. So 86, 87 Syracuse. They go 31-7, which isn't bad. Have a huge tournament run. This is in his freshman year. He's a huge part of this as well, as we'll talk about. His stats here, he starts all 38 games for them as a freshman.

30.6 minutes a game, which there's only 40 minutes in a college game, so that's pretty fucking amazing. Not too shabby. And what are his points here? 11.9 points, 1.8 blocks, 1.2 steals, 1.2 assists, and 8.8 rebounds a game in his freshman year. Averaging almost two blocks a game? Yeah, in his freshman year. That's awesome.

So that's a dominant force in the middle here. And they go to the tournament. They beat Georgia Southern in the tournament they beat georgia southern in the first round they kicked the shit out of the western kentucky hilltoppers i believe they are we could have in the second i think me and you could take them just the two of us they beat florida in the third round not bad uh number in the in the next round the east regional final they beat number one seeded north carolina no kidding back then which was no joke that was a that's a big team here.

Then they go all the way to the Final Four. They beat No. 6 Providence to go to the final game against No. 1 Indiana, Bobby Knight. They're playing the Hoosiers for the national championship. Oh, yeah. This is the big fucking deal, man. Yeah. Could you imagine?

I mean, he said that he was excited to be there and excited to do it. The press, they asked him for predictions on the final game yeah and uh you know he said he uh he has no predictions but if they win he doesn't want to go to the white house he said that right away he said quote really to tell you the truth i don't want to go to the white house i want to go back to detroit which i get it yeah he said it's not that big of a thing for me to go to the white house all right he's got a lot of invitations to the white house apparently uh problem is in this final game it's a really close game really oh it comes down to the wire i mean this is a great nail biter of a championship with 28 seconds left he misses a free throw that screws the whole thing up and they never recover from it and they end up dc they end up losing the game yeah it's uh not good so i mean that's all they

talk about for the next however long as he hit those free throws if he hit that free throw if he hit that free throw blah blah blah well they could have won the game yeah it could have been national champions then he did but i mean he's a freshman. Fucking impressive. Yeah. How about that? You're a freshman. You're the reason that we didn't win? To be in that spot, he must have been doing something right is the point.

To have the opportunity to fail. Yeah. And if you're a team that's putting a freshman in that much of a clutch situation, your chances of winning are pretty tenuous of a national championship. You should be thankful just to be there. Yeah. Very thankful. He's all Big East. All third team, all Big East in 86-87, Big East all freshman, and the 86-87 Big East Rookie of the Year.

Third team as a freshman. That's impressive. All Big East, yeah. That means there's only two other people in the country that are better than him at his position. Two other, yeah. Ten total guys ahead of him. Unbelievable.

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This happened. So, yeah, Coleman said he fucking ran as hard as he could and, you know, look back and saw the guy wasn't there and ran back and tried to get his friend you know tried to help his friend his friend was already dead his friend was murdered in front of him right next to him at 19 years old literally like standing next to each other so he ran away to not get shot also that was his thing so he's lucky the guy didn't just shoot him too you know he's a witness so shoot him first or shoot him first because he's huge right maybe shoot the huge guy so you have more. I don't know. But yeah, he got lucky, man.

I don't know if the guy knew who he was or didn't want to shoot. I don't know. Or mistaken identity, anything. Who knows what it was. That's crazy. So he ended up wearing an armband, a black armband all season for his friend there in Syracuse. He's 87, 88 there. He quits the Olympic trials that year because there's the trials for the 88 Olympics.

And he was he was down to the cut of 48 players for it. And he made that cut so far. And he quit after that whole thing there too much. It was a lot. And he said he just didn't want to deal with it. He there's also in 8788 two huge bench clearing brawls that he's a big part of. He's always brawling. All through college and on

the floor, off the floor. He's always in fights, this guy. Always. I don't know what the fuck it is. I don't know if he's super aggressive or whenever he goes out, people just can't wait to start a fight with a 6'10", 250-pound fucking enormous monster. Find the biggest guy in the yard. Not at a bar.

You don't have to live with this guy. At a bar, you try not to fight the biggest guy in the yard not at a bar you don't have to live with this guy at a bar you try not to fight the biggest guy it's not like i have to see him tomorrow and he's gonna take my fucking commissary this is a fucking different thing at a bar you try to avoid not getting your skull cracked open by a giant person before you go home that night your goal is to go home and maybe get laid that night not to fucking fucking, you know, end up in the hole. Cause you shanked the big guy. Did his major problems start to, uh,

uh, I don't know, fucking materialize after the murder of his friend. Is he like, yeah, is he just pissed at the world now? I mean, kind of,

but it's also, there was really no other time for it to start. Yeah. Once he got out of high school and got into college, that's when it starts. So, but he freshman year, year he doesn't really he fights on the floor a lot but that's just his style but yeah off the floor he doesn't really have any arrests or anything till after that so maybe that's a a good uh you know catalyst yeah catalyst a trigger i don't know what it is for lack of a better term here you'd think that watch your friend get murdered three

feet from you is going to be a moment that that would fuck you up yeah that's not good for you for a minute yeah i would say especially as a surprise like hey what the fuck he um he also there was a heckler that he gave the finger to at one point and that was not seen looked upon very well yeah wasn't looked upon very well and uh he also was got really mad at the coach because he told that he'd be moved from power forward to center. And that year, because they needed a center, and he was pissed off about it because as a power forward, you're obviously going to get better stats going up against power forwards and good centers. And there were still good centers left in the 80s. I mean, like, you know, Mourning and fucking Mutombo were playing for Georgetown at this point, I think,

or right around this time. So, you know, morning and fucking Matumbo were playing for Georgetown at this point, I think, or right around this time. So, you know, it happened. But this year, another good season starts 34 of 35 games. He has 13 and a half points a game, 11 rebounds a game, 2.2 assists, 1.6 blocks. Real good year here. His attitude, though, isn't that great. That's the problem there. I'm sure it's not. attitude though isn't that great that's the problem there i'm sure it's not his attitude isn't wonderful uh a lot of people complain about it uh they say that he they wonder

about his desire to apply himself is what it is basically and a lot of that is he just doesn't love basketball right some guys i remember back in the 90s when i was a kid barry foster the running back for the steelers you remember him he No. He won a rushing title one year, I think. He was a great running back. And I remember when he was very famous after his two good years or whatever, they were talking to him in an interview before a game. And he goes, yeah, I don't really like football. What? And they were like, what do you mean?

He goes, I don't like watching it or anything. I don't know. I'm not really into it. It's just my job. He's like, I don't like watch football if I'm off that day. No, we're recording. Yeah. He's like, to him, though, though that was like i'm kind of cool like i'm so detached

from it but it's also you don't have any passion applying hipster brand comedy to football yes i mean i'm not even trying dude i'm just telling you what happened to my cat right just telling you what happened to my cat man i want to tell you why i like owl t-shirts you know what dude if something funny comes out of that then great if not and we still had an experience just to fuck up and write a joke so either way i'm gonna say it i'm gonna say it and my friends will laugh and it'll be on recording so you guys will think it's funny you'll think it's funny man yeah that's the attitude he's got though but i i remember as a kid being like huh it's like i was a kid i was like i love football football's great if i could do that that'd be amazing and like this guy's like i don't know shrug with the whole thing so that's coleman's attitude too where

he's just like i don't know i do it because people tell me i'm good at it and it gets me famous and stuff it makes sense that there's going to be a dude that's like yeah you have to be a lot of guys factory that's putting talent into no passion driven guys that's the thing it's just it's eventually somebody that doesn't love it is going to be able to do it well when you get that that's why it's rare to get talent and that drive and passion at the same time you don't get a lot of those guys when you do you get michael jordan you get magic johnson you get fucking you know kareem abdul-jabbar you get like superstars you get fucking people like that who dominate otherwise. Because they dominate guys who don't really care.

That's the difference. So people said that the local press said he was like a locker room cancer and shit like that. People were saying that he should go for the NBA draft a year early just to get him out of there. Well, he's a great player. They just don't like his attitude in the press. It's fucking ridiculous. So October 1988. How about that if you're a huge Syracuse fan?

You know what I mean? These guys are not here for extended periods of time. And you guys are trying to get this fucker to leave? Fuck you. I want my team to be good. That's what I mean. Yeah, we got a great guy for once. Jesus Christ.

We were in the national championship when he was a freshman. How about the beat writer shuts his fucking mouth for a minute? Can you play power forward? Right. No. You're 62, you fucking jerk. You lived in Syracuse your whole life. You're 5'9", and you have a four-inch vertical jump, so shut the fuck up and type.

Let Derek play. Yeah. Jesus Christ. let derrick play yeah jesus christ so october of 1988 here uh his friend daryl dixon is sitting in a parked car on a detroit street oh no here and uh he is shot once in the head execution style while sitting in his with his girlfriend in a parked car this is like one of this is derrick's best friend pretty much here derrick I suggest never having another friend. Never having a friend or making friends that don't live in Detroit. Right.

It's so dangerous to be Derek's friend. It's very dangerous. Bad luck to be Derek's friend here. Coleman said about both his friends, quote, those guys were like brothers to me. It was like a death in the family. It took me a while to get over it, and I still think about it every day. Yeah. Which, yeah, i would say that would

be a thing that you do because i mean his high school coach here said quote he was just getting over the first murder when his other friend was killed because it was like 16 months difference so yeah you're just starting to get into that yeah uh he said derrick it's a lot of flack but he's done everything they've asked how would you feel if your best friend was killed and you were standing next to him those people in syracuse are being very insensitive to him that's what they said he's got he's an emotional kid he's a he's still a teenager right when his first friend got killed there you know he's 18 years old 19 years old yeah fuck man what do you want from this kid you're supposed to be invincible at that age and nothing can kill you yeah that's

the thing here uh december 88 i guess he finds a way to blow off some steam, and it culminates with him being charged with fourth-degree criminal mischief, harassment, and some other shit here. A burglary charge that was dropped quickly also. This is his role in multiple brawls outside of a dance sponsored by a fraternity at the student center, of one of the fraternities at the student center. And then after that, a subsequent break-ins at two different frat members apartments that he was a part of. And this was a little bit of a mess here.

One of the fights, one of the brawls here is described by John Wallace. Remember John Wallace, NBA player, power forward center? No. He went to Syracuse and he was coming in as like he was looking at it from high school he was going to be a freshman there and derrick was like you know going into his senior year and was like the big man there so he was like you know right away anytime he saw derrick oh shit it's derrick coleman so he saw him uh basically tumbling out of a bar, punching people. That was his first impression of Derek.

Wow. Yeah. He said that his shirt was off. Yeah. He was shirtless. And another Syracuse player was holding his chains. He had his fucking Derek's big handful of Derek's gold chains and shit. Like Derek was like, hold my shit.

There you go. Derek's got to whoop these people's asses. Yeah. Necklace rings, all this type of shit uh while he's punching away at people and he said wallace is like you know 17 year old kids down there like holy shit what the fuck is going on he said that uh you know he talked to a reporter and said quote i don't know what derrick's thinking about sometimes when you see something like that yeah it's like this guy's like you're supposed to look up to this guy right he's swinging on the street here this is wrong is he gonna loud in a bar no it shouldn't be this was a at a dance outside of a bar area so and i'm sure he's he's

derek coleman they're gonna let him in yeah one of those deals he's punching frat boys because i mean i can see why it happens he's punching lots of people we'll talk about here it was derek coleman and uh two football players were involved also syracracuse football players, Deval Glover and Chris Ingram. They were among what was called in this article the main combatants, which is great here. This was at Syracuse Shine Student Center. And yeah, they said several Syracuse athletes were involved in this brawl with the Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity members outside of a campus dance. I'm all for beating up fraternity members. Yeah.

And I think three of these guys could probably take a fraternity. How badass is that fraternity? They're willing to fight the football players and the biggest guy on their basketball team. They fought three guys, probably with 30 of them. Probably got their asses kicked. So they were like, let's fuck that. We'll all team up. And the next thing you know, someone's holding Derek's gold.

Right. And he's fucking pummeling them. So, yeah. I give them all the credit in the world for trying. Yeah. Well, then they went and broke into a fraternity member's apartment the next morning. Also trying to fuck with them. A freshman football player named George Rooks was identified as another defendant later on here.

player named george rooks was identified as another defendant later on here he was uh reportedly charged uh behind doors behind closed doors as a youthful offender because he was still 17 so the school chancellor said these disruptive events offend the sense of community at the university though those found to be responsible will be disciplined the hearing process will begin and measures will be taken to prevent the occurrence of such conflicts in the future. That's a silver-haired fucking statement right there. We'll figure it out. What do you think happened to Derek?

Nothing. Oogats. Nothing. Not a goddamn thing. Legally, yes, but not universally. No discipline on the sports team. God, no.

Jesus. We're going to sit you down for 10 games. Yeah, no. If we go to the tournament this year mister none for you nope uh other university students were asking to appear at the hearings to testify the punishment could range from dismissal of the case to suspension from school but they said you know they said it probably wouldn't any decision wouldn't be reached until literally at the end of march right at the end of uh reached until literally at the end of March.

Right. At the end of the year. The end of the tournament. Yeah. Once the tournament's over, we'll worry about it. We'll discuss it. They literally said that. So Rooks was only 18 here.

He was the number one football recruit that year. 6'4", 265-pound defensive tackle. Holy shit. That's a big fucking guy here. After the fight, Coleman told police that he led a group of football players to an apartment rented by two fraternity members. Okay. I know where that motherfucker lives.

That's what I'm saying. This is his side of the story that he gave to the press, not even to the police. This is what he, for public consumption here. Quote. This is the sugar-coated story. Yeah, this is I want everyone to like me again. Right. Quote, we were banging on the door trying to get the alpha who lived there to come to the door.

About this time, George Rooks, a football player, kicked the door, causing the door to open. Or break. That's one way to say it. Or a 265-pound man fucking kicked it off its hinges like a SWAT team was entering. That's probably more accurate. A man battering rammed a door with probably his thigh. His thigh or his shoulder, causing the door to open. Like he kicked it and then it went...

Just creaked open slowly. Both of the same thing. Just creaked open slowly. Oh, it's granting us entrance it's open now now it's open jesus christ so he said quote a bunch of us ran inside the apartment when we were inside the apartment we found out that nobody was home and we left the apartment they also broke a tv while they were in there too and a couple other things one of them broke a tv the police report said right with what's left of the door which yeah probably took a hunk of a hunk of wood from the door and just threw it through the tv

bashed it so in the brawl a university guard suffered a minor head injury and was taken to the hospital uh two alpha phi alpha fraternity members and one of the football players suffered minor injuries but did not require treatment uh Basically, the fight started. Why do you think this fight started? Over a girl. That was my first guess, too. Over a girl. Yeah. One of the players is talking.

Oh, these are our chicks. Somebody bumped into somebody. No, even less. Oh, boy. Somebody scuffed somebody's suede pumas, James? Even that, because you know I wear, I used to scuff my baby blue pumas. I'll fucking, we're fighting, so I don't care. Every time you get new shoes, I step on them. You do, wear it. I used to scuff my baby blue pumas. I'll fucking, we're fighting, so I don't care. Every time you get new shoes, I step on them.

You do, not you. And then you go, Jimmy, they're new. I expect you to. I expect you to. You're fine. You're like my kids. Like, if they step on them, I'm like, that's fine. Jimmy stepped on my shoes.

I expect it. I expect it. But if, like, a stranger scuffs my shoes. They're so big. They're big. I can't help it. I'm sorry. I have big feet.

They're 13s. I can't. They're everywhere. They're in the way. I'm sorry. I have big feet. They're 13s. I can't. They're everywhere. They're in the way. I'm sorry. You want me to shake your hand and say hello? You want a hug? I got to put my feet back.

I'm going to step on them. Yeah, I got to get my legs back and lean my chest out if I'm going to do that. That's my fault. That's my fault. You got to hug me with your ass. You got to poke it way back. Like a little chest bump. There we go.

Like two heavyset women. Right. We're of our nipples together. Yeah, that's all. That's how they hug. So the fight, even any of those would be like four 20-year-old kids who've been drinking a lot. Understandable. That would be fine.

Emotions run high. Not even close. The fight started when a fraternity member refused to let them into the party without paying the $2.50 each admission. They fought a fraternity so they didn't have to pay $7.50 for three people. That's what this was about. I hate it, but you know what? I kind of dig it.

Because fuck a fraternity. We're not paying. But that's what it costs. But we're, I'm on the basketball. Like, I don't care. It's $2.50 for a cup, asshole. And they're not standing up and like being, standing up for, like, I'm not paying $7.50 to rapists.

They're not saying shit like that. No, no, no, no, no. They're just saying, I'm not giving you $2.50. You should be happy I'm here. We'll draw people to your party. Exactly. So yeah, they were trying to be like influencers well before that was a fucking thing. They were like, it's 89. They're like, listen, I'll post that shit on Insta.

It'll be hot, dude. I'll get chicks here. $2.50, $2.50. It's going to rack up. How about you pay me $2.50 to be here? Yeah, no shit, man. So, also, it turns out that during this time the same same deal here he's charged with criminal mischief like we said harassing harassment all this type of shit

right he has another run-in where uh there's a woman who is suing him for 1.5 million dollars in state supreme court and uh saying that he beat her up as well at that night, at that night or right around then. So basically, they're saying he's saying that she appeared to be falling down drunk when she fell to the floor of the tavern near the campus. It wasn't anything. It was her fault. She fell down drunk. Yeah. Football player Rob Moore was there.

You know, ex Jets receiver. Remember him? Rob Moore is there, ex-Jets receiver. Remember him, Rob Moore? He's a great receiver. Rob Moore, and I believe Rob Moore is who, what's his name, Cuba Gooding Jr.'s character is based on in Jerry Maguire. Believe that's who he's based on, if I'm not mistaken. Wait, his name wasn't Jerry. Rod.

Rod. Rod, yeah. It's Rob Moore. I believe that's who he's going for. I'm not positive but i think if i remember hearing that 20 fucking years ago probably possible so yeah rob moore x jets receiver he's a good receiver i think he played for the cardinals for a minute too was it still well rod still well yeah there you go i've seen literally 20 minutes of that movie

yeah i haven't seen the whole thing how did i do you didn't miss much i know for a fact i'm gonna have to watch that for fucking PSA. I hate this movie one of these days and I am fucking dreading it. I got 20 minutes. I was like, how did everybody watch? Oh, dude, I've avoided it for every single person. Over two decades. I'm going to have to fucking watch it, take notes on it and then yell about it.

So you guys could hear that shit. So, yeah, it's the fucking worst. So, yeah, another and a lacrosse player named Rodney Dumpson. Dumpson, that's a bad name. It is. They corroborate Coleman's story, of course, here. They say that, you know, as the bar manager did as well, and a bartender named Patrick Adolfi. A woman named Michelle Losey claims that Derek punched her to the floor at Sutter's Mill and Mining Company bar here on December 8th, saying that after

this is six days after the fracas brawl, by the way, took her six days to. No, no, no. This is this happened six days later. Oh, yeah. It's another problem. Yeah. He's involved in here. So she says that after his repeated attempts to regain his hat from the woman, that's what

she I guess he took her hat took his hat you know women do that sometimes don't touch my fucking drunk women like to take your hat sometimes if you're wearing a hat and put it on and fuck with it and it's like thanks now i'm standing here with my hair looking stupid and you're wearing my hat dicking around with it you think it's cute and you're taking pictures getting glitter and perfume on it and makeup on the fucking band give me my hat back how many fucking times right makeup on the stop that don't take people's hats if it's your boyfriend take his hat go nuts sarah takes my hat all the time puts it on he might think it's adorable right i love it right it's great yeah chicken a hat looks cool as shit indoors i think it's sexy i'll be honest with you yeah absolutely. Absolutely. A baseball hat? Yeah, a baseball hat.

Trucker hat? Yeah, stuff like that. I'm into it. Cowboy hats too. I like that. Athletic-y type. I might be attracted to lesbians.

I'm not sure. Or men. Or men. Either way. I'm not sure. Have you tried her in football fans? I don't know what Sarah

wants to take from that. Very attracted to her. My girl in my shirt and my hat. I like it. Stranger at the girl in my shirt and my hat i like it yeah that's what i mean bar in my shit yeah get the fuck away from me stop it don't touch my stuff do you wonder why you're single you're touching my shit you don't even know me you know me and i'm very i'm standoffish with alone when yeah when we're on the road and if women get a little bit aggressive you can look over and i you know when i'm like what about when their husband's cool you can see oh no yeah i've had that happen no no he's cool he's cool he's right there does that

mean that he's gonna watch me bang you is that what you're telling me that's the proposition here he's cool that's the code i don't think so i don't know life's gotten weird guys once in a while people will create very weird scenarios for us and offers where we're like what's going on no no absolutely not i just want to go back to a hotel that's it and hate it i'm like no i'm gonna go back with my wife who's with me actually duh like i'm not your your husband who's quote unquote cool is gonna hang with sarah who's definitely fucking not cool my wife is wonderful as she is is not quote cool when it comes to if i was gonna go fucking her coolness would end right there like she's a great person she's the cool she's the coolest fucking person i know like she's awesome she's great and she's not quotey fingers cool no

fucking cool as shit and uh quotey fingers not cool though at all she's totally quote uncool when it comes to that sort of shit so you know yeah check for the short dark-haired girl there maybe so anyway not gonna be different anyway otherwise but still it's like so he's cool great i'm grossed out but he's cool thanks thank god so anyway after his repeated attempts to get his hat back from the woman he pushed her as he took it back and she was quote so intoxicated that she fell to the floor at this time that's what they all said he basically like snatched it and kind of shoved her away and she fell down now he's she's saying he hit her and that's what

happened here so that's the difference either way there's no like saying everybody thinks says she's like falling down drunk but what happens is obviously who knows here so a syracuse police officer said that that when he got there or when she got there that the woman appeared quote quite intoxicated and refused to talk with police or give her name until finally they got her driver's license out of her. And then they ended up not charging him with a crime. And then later on, they charge him with something and drop it. So it's one of those things. But she sues him for one point five million dollars.

And you can also see her hanging onto the hat a little too long as he takes it from her. And she fucking stumbles. That's the other thing. He goes to yank it. Who knows? You're like, why are you still holding it or he snatched her and snatched and shoved her ass to the ground was like drunk bitch and shoved her down and she's who knows what happened we have no idea what happened either way i'm still on his side yeah yeah i'm that one if you take my hat you know i mean i'm not i'm 1000 against any violence toward women but get the fuck away from me with my fucking hat.

Don't steal shit from you. You're clearly instigating. Yes. At that point. Yeah. You're being annoying. Go away. So 8889 Syracuse here.

They're 30 and eight. They go to the tournament again. They win in the first round against Bucknell. They beat Colorado State. They beat Missouri. And then they lose in the fourth round, the Midwest regional final to No. 1 seed Illinois that year. So they lose. Coleman says, quote, it's been an up

and down year for me. Sometimes I get real frustrated. I get frustrated off the court, on the court with coaches, frustrated with everything. But every obstacle that's been put in front of me, I've always overcome it. Because I'm Derek Coleman. So that year, he overcame a lot. He uh 16.9 points

a game 11.4 rebounds almost three assists a game 3.4 blocks a game okay that's ridiculous that's dominating yeah i mean that's you don't go that changes the whole offense it's almost a block a quarter yeah exactly that's a quarter a block every 10 minutes, anyway. That's wild. You don't go to the lane anymore. You don't fucking drive. You turn the team into a jump shot offense like that. You completely change a team. He's first team all Big East in 87, 88, and 88, 89. He's later, next in his senior year, he's all the accolades.

Big East player of the year, consensus, all American, all that shit. Now, he goes to court for the brawl and in court he admitted that he quote punched a guy that's what he said but he didn't admit to specific acts in the break-in he could have received up to six months in jail but plea bargained and is ordered to perform 50 hours of community service it's uh community service pay for property damages and apologize or some shit here uh 250 in property damage restitution he says this is the thing here this is amazing he doesn't just like he's not gonna try it after this like hey you know what it was stupid i should know better mistake i made a mistake i should know better than that i should be more mature he says instead quote if it happened to a regular student it would have just been another fight on campus but me with the reputation

i have as an all-star it gets blown out of proportion that's always his thing hey it's always blown out of proportion and you're going to see a theme arise of quote it was a misunderstanding every time he ends up in handcuffs it's a it's a big misunderstanding. It's a lot of misunderstandings he has for a rich man to be arrested. Rich people have to really try to get arrested. They have to work at it. Cops generally don't want to arrest rich people for obvious reasons because they have lawyers and everything else. For a rich man for a misunderstanding to occur, you have to be spanking Cantonese. Yeah, that's what I mean.

You really have to fucking. It's a lot so uh he pleads guilty to all that shit 89 90 syracuse is 26 and 7 in the tournament they win against coppin state in the first round coppin state and then virginia in the second round they lose to minnesota in the third round there this is his senior year he's an all-american first team everything he stayed all four years he stayed all four years yeah a lot of guys did back then i think the last big like star who could have been a number one pick the junior year but stayed is probably tim duncan i

think and that was in the mid 90s but that guy's just like he's so fucking boring he just was like i don't know the nba seems exciting i'll stay stay the course. Let's see. I'll go from there. What's the most boring city I can play in? Salt Lake City's team is full. How about San Antonio? That's a terrible city that sucks. Or I can go with zero personality. Zero personality on a city that people forget exists in America.

You forget that that's a, forget America, that you're like the Texas basketball teams. Well, obviously. Dallas, Houston. The Mavericks and the Rockets. That's it, yeah. Well, name some cities in Texas. Oh, yeah, San Antonio. Like fourth. Dallas, Houston, Austin.

San Antonio. Amarillo's up there. Am I missing one? Galveston is down by the... Paso. Paso's there. Lubbock. Oh, yeah.

That's right. So weird, because they have like professional teams, but they get, you always forget San Antonio. And it's a big city.

I think it's the second biggest. I don't know. Maybe third. That would make sense. Yeah. Houston, Dallas, then San Antonio. Dallas, Houston.

Dallas is bigger than Houston. Is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Houston, Dallas, Dallas, Houston. Okay. So anyway, at the end of college, he is 12 credits short of graduating.

What? But he has a big giant contract waiting for him. He's going to be the number one pick. He'll end up with a five-year, $15 million contract out of this. So that's a pretty good chunk of change sitting there in 1990 waiting for you who gives a shit about 12 credits that's the thing so he said quote my mind was made up as a basketball player you have idle time on your hands and he said he just didn't take the time to do that at that point uh so he said uh between travel and games uh you know he had to try to make the time to do it so he's trying to rebuild his image for the draft now because he's known as a guy who speaks in the

third person shoves women to the floor and breaks into fraternity houses so it's finished degrees and doesn't finish degrees so not not a great record here you need to make the number one pick the team that drafts number one feel good about you right all fuzzy and shit dedicated to basketball even yeah that's the thing so bing there's a detroit guy there he says quote he comes back here in the summers and works with kids and in the community this is all in the paper he says obviously i think he cares a lot about his community he comes from a rough neighborhood where there's so much violence and disdain for life wow disdain for life fuck that's rough they hate. They hate life? They hate it there. How much?

They hate us because of our freedom. That's what he just said there. They hate us because we're breathing. Disdain for life. They wake up every morning and just go, this goddamn life. Fucking people breathing. Do you hear it?

I hear blood running. God damn it. I feel pumping hearts. Your heart beating? I don't like it. He said, and I think he wants to help the kids realize that there is hope. Well, that's nice. I think he's working on being a good role model.

He's not perfect, but he's working on it. He's still working on it, I believe, to this day. His mother, Dassey, here, they talk to her. She says he is a caring young man who occasionally makes some mistakes. Obviously, this is a very silver-haired statement here. She says, quote, all kids get in trouble at one time or another. Derek is just like any other kid. Off the basketball court, he is quiet.

No. No, he's not quiet at all. I mean, to her, she's quiet and I'm sure very nice. He's literally seen two murders, three murders if you caught the guy on the track. That's the other thing. Oh, he said 10 in the beginning. He said those are those three, but he said, I've seen 10 people get shot as I was hanging out. I was standing at three murders.

Yeah, he's hanging out there. His mother says that he has his little group he likes to be with. He's compassionate. He's loving. Quote, one year on my birthday, I got five cards from him. He never forgets Mother's Day, Christmas, or anything like that. He's very thoughtful. And not only with me, my mother, before she died, same thing with her.

It's the little things that count we've got this thing that we've got this thing that whenever we're talking to each other on the phone before we hang up we always say i love you little things like that a mother appreciates so draft him high he's a nice guy i mean if the nuts are looking for somebody like that i'm kind of the same he's nice to to his mom. Right. I mean, who isn't nice to them? A lot of people are. I bet you anything. Dahmer was nice to his mom. Probably. He wasn't like,

what's up, cunt? Like he, I'm sure he had like, you know, like I'm sure he was like, happy mother's day. Like anybody else.

Like, I love you. I don't know. Like a lot of people who are terrible people are nice to their mom. Genuinely. How you treat her? It's your fucking mom. You know,

like, you know, the only time it's weird behavior between a son and a mom is when he's an asshole yeah this is normal mom yeah that's the thing it's an average kid normal he said quote this is his thing he says quote i got involved in some things i shouldn't have i should have walked away from the situation or avoided it in the first place, but hey, I'm only human. I've made some mistakes, but a lot of things get blown out of proportion here because basketball's like a religion in Syracuse.

That's the other thing, too. If you play ball in a small town like Syracuse, any of these small towns, if you do anything, it's all anybody talks about. Like, if you go to UCLA and you fuck up, hardly anyone will even notice it like your coaches and shit but not everyone in big deal not everyone in la is going to be going

did you hear that the the power forward on the basketball team got arrested for punching a kid they they're not going to even notice that in syracuse what else is there it's going to snow a lot oh and this it's them and like in alabama when uh somebody uh from the football team gets in trouble everybody knows that's it that's all they pay attention to here yep uh several nba scouts think he's really good one here pat williams who's the general manager of the orlando magic he says i think he has the potential to be a great nba player i would think he would be a better pro player than a college player because you don't have all the double teaming and zoning going on there are more one-on-one opportunities more chances for individual for an individual's greatness to come to the fore oh my uh but people said that you know

they're a little leery of his off the court problems uh one guy here said you're going to be investing a lot of money in him and you want to make sure that's a good investment we love him as a player but of the other stuff is a cause for concern every team is going to be doing some investigating into the off the court difficulties but that's not a condemnation of him in fact your investigation may discover that a lot of the incidents were blown out of proportion and not entirely his fault a misunderstanding right say he said you have to keep an open mind it's not cut and dry fair enough so the draft comes around june 27th 1990 is the nba draft and derrick cullman is the number one pick was he really number one overall by the new jersey nets at the time number two overall jimmy uh in 90 90 jesus i don't even know gary payton was he wow

yeah it doesn't seem that gary doesn't seem that long ago that this draft was, yet. It's 30 years ago. Yeah, it's so long ago. It's so long ago. Very long ago. Gary, Mahmoud Abdul-Raouf. Really? Number three.

Yeah, for the Nuggets there. I think Chris Jackson was his original name, if I'm not mistaken. I believe that's true. And Dennis Scott, number four. That's a bad number four pick. To the Magic? Yeah, that's a bad number. He's a good shooter and a good role player, but not a bad number four pick. To the magic? Yeah, that's a bad number. He's a good shooter and a good role player.

Three-point shooter. Not a fucking number four pick overall. Great coach later. Yeah, he was a good coach. And then Kendall Gill, Felton Spencer. There's not a lot of real bangers in this draft. It's a weak draft. Gary Payton.

I can see the teams that they all went to, and these are all shit teams, too. Dee Brown. Gary, he's all right. Was he drafted by the Celtics? Yeah, Dee was drafted by the Celtics. D was drafted by this wasn't he drafted by yeah drafted by Boston he had of course the dunk with the cover in his eyes that whole thing Tony Kukoc drafted out of the fucking Croatia

or whatever for Chicago there otherwise I mean Cedric Sabala's in the second round no kidding 48 he goes to the Suns there Kenny Williams Antonio Davis not a lot of Tony Massenburgberg i liked antonio davis yeah he's good right yeah indiana he got from texas el paso so yeah there you go that's a draft

not a great draft it's not at all it's kind of ugly it's gary payton and a bunch of shit gary payton and derrick holman derrick holman yeah okay for a little bit no no he's good he's all right tell me more so uh i'll let you know how let's talk about how he did all right he talks a bunch of shit about syracuse he says their quote coaches tend to go off the deep end about nothing he said that about bayheim he really didn't say too much to me when i was there because it would always end up in an argument and bayheim said that quote derrick has his own opinion about things just like billy owens has his own opinion another player he didn't always like the plays i called when we had sherman douglas we went to

sherman moore derrick wanted the ball all great players want the ball if you're good enough you're often asking players to do things they don't want to do fair enough yeah he said derrick always told me he didn't like the intensive media coverage he got here that was that was what he was most upset about and he says that he didn't like the coverage he didn't like jim boeheim he didn't like shit he just didn't boeheim said he helped us get Jim Boeheim. He didn't like shit. He just didn't. Boeheim said he helped us get places we'd never been as a freshman and continued that for four years. I can't say enough good things about Derek Coleman. I never had a problem with Derek on the basketball court. He always did what I asked.

And Derek went on to fucking trash him for two more paragraphs. Literally. I love Derek. I fucking hated that guy. He's like, he's a piece of shit and he's like can't say enough good things about him like just it's fucking hilarious that's a coach that wants good players to come yeah absolutely you can say whatever he wants about me that's it that's great we won a lot and he's a great player we were on national television and

he's a great player i don't care he can say all he wants that only he did that for us yeah it's fine i'm still here he's not that's it's it. I got to fucking live here in the snow. 90-91. He's with the New Jersey Nets. They finished 26-56 that year. Very ugly. Bill Fitch is the head coach. Willis Reed is the executive, though.

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You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. I see he's not intimidated by anything. I can fix that. New cases. She wanted to fight me. Leave her. A-long. Okay, so, um...

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Yeah, great player. Now, this is a team. They got Greg Anderson. They got Judd Bushler. Jesus Christ. Sam Bowie, who's fucking, I think his ankles had disintegrated by this point. Could barely, the Greg Odom of his time. Chris Dudley on this team.

A lot of fucking big stiffs. Sojakovic was here, wasn't he? Not at this. Petrovic was here. Petrovic. Yeah, Drazen Petrovic. Yeah, he's here. Terry Mills is here.

This isn't a great team. Put it that way. Mookie Blaylock also on this team here so uh that year he averages 18.4 points a game uh which is great 10.3 rebounds 18 and 10 out of your rookie fantastic 1.3 blocks a little harder to block in the nba yeah you don't have as many small guys coming at you he's the rookie of the year. No shit. Rookie of the year. Wow. So not too shabby.

He makes $2.1 million that year and no longer has to walk around Detroit at all if he does not want to. How's your house, Jassy? Yeah. What was my? Fuck. I'll bet it's beautiful, right? It's gotta be.

It's gotta be with this fucking. He's sending her five cards on Mother's Day? You better buy her a house. Yeah, put a couple bucks in those cards. What we thinking here put your shit together derek put a couple mortgage payments in there to show a couple of bucks in them cards huh each card better have more money hey take care yeah yeah progressively more fucking money all day long another car show card shows up yeah that's that's derek he's just this is the point i remember like when he came because i lived in new york and i was a kid and when he came they tried to make a big deal out of it like hey the

nets have a big superstar they picked number one overall he's going to be the next fucking like you know dr j basically it's like no you know what i think it was him and petrovich that made that show so great because you've got two great keys there you just need to fill in in between them and you're gonna do great and they did i just need to fill in in between them, and you're going to do great. I think that was the plan. Exactly, and they did. They filled in here and there. They picked up different guys.

Like I said, Kenny Anderson here, a guy there, a little bit here and there. Kerry Kittles over here. I love Petrovich. Petrovich was a great player. He was awesome. So 91-92 with the Nets. They go 40-42, which is still not good. Third in the NBA Atlantic Division here, but they make the playoffs that year. That's how weird the Nets. They go 40-42, which is still not good. Third in the NBA Atlantic Division

here, but they make the playoffs that year. That's how weird the NBA is. You can have a losing record and make the playoffs. Hockey, too. Hockey, too, is the same way. In the East most, because you had like three teams that were great, and then everybody else fucking stunk. Hockey, 88% of the teams make the playoffs, I believe is how they do it.

Like three teams have to stay home. You get four teams, two from each division, out and uh we'll see how the rest of this plays out everybody else fuck the season never mind never happened everybody might as well flip a coin for seating and just play the playoffs run it again it's a problem yeah what's the point it's like big up basketball let's run it back yeah one more so that year uh he had 19.8 points a game and 9.5 rebounds. So essentially 20 and 10, which is fucking impressive. Very impressive. 1.5 blocks a game.

Doing very well in the playoffs that year. Every time he's in the playoffs, he has a good stat line. Every time, as we'll find out for his career. 22.3 points a game in the playoffs that year. It's only four games. But 22.3 points per game. 11.3 rebounds, 5.3 assists, 1.8 steals, and one block a game. So doing great for a second-year guy. Now he makes $2.3 million that year, too, which will also cheer you up, make you want to play a little harder.

Now the team also institutes dress codes. A lot of the teams in the 90s started doing this before the league did it the teams themselves would institute dress codes where you have to have like uh you wouldn't have to wear like a suit if you were hurt on the side but if you were traveling you'd have to wear a suit and it's always been different teams have different rules like it's i like the teams that don't have the dress code rules so i think that's more interesting do you mean like they don't have to wear a suit or they get to wear just like whatever wacky ass shit they want? They want to get to wear whatever wacky ass shit they want.

I like that because it makes no fucking difference what they're wearing getting on a bus. That does not. These guys are making millions of dollars and all that shit. The suit's not going to make them feel better to whatever. And it's not going to make an eight year old respect to their rape charge more. I was just going to say. And if you're trying to make it so they're so upstanding, fuck out of here. I just read about that guy grabbing somebody's tits in a bar last weekend.

Now I'm going to fuck. Oh, he's got a suit on. He must be very respectable. He's learned his lesson, obviously, because he shops at Joseph A. Banks. That's a nice tie he's got on there. Fucking bullshit, dude. Unbelievable. It's bullshit.

So that's, yeah, i hate that dress code shit i remember i was reading this book about the steelers in the 70s the three three brick shirt of a load or whatever i think it's called and they're talking about the pittsburgh steelers and how all the teams back then had these strict dress codes and shuck noel one of his things was in the early 70s he's like fuck the dress code wear whatever you want so when they would get off the bus in the early 70s i mean these guys were wearing fucking fur coats and pimp hats and like half shirts and fucking like you know bright like orange fucking bell bottoms with all this shit and all the other teams were all suit and

tied and they come in looking like some like the fucking road show from woodstock or something god damn road crew yeah you know I'm more afraid of that team. If you're trying to intimidate, that's a great way to start. A bunch of guys in suits don't intimidate me at all. Unless they're suing me. Unless they're suing me or they want something from me or they've accused

me of something that I haven't done. Those people I'm scared of. But if we're playing a physical battle of basketball or football or any sort of physical endure your will on us, is that the? No, that's not it. Impose. Impose.

Impose your will. Endure it. That's the opposite side. You have to endure somebody imposing their will. That's what it is. Jesus Christ. My point is, if I have to endure you imposing your will, I don't want to do it from guys that are dressed like fucking a circus.

That's what I mean. Then they put a big hat with a feather in it and shit on at the end. That makes me feel worse about myself. People dress like Westbrook today. Yeah, this guy dresses like fucking Superfly and he just kicked my ass. That's not fair. I feel worse about myself. He's rubbing it in.

And he looks cool as fuck. This sucks. It's his it in. And he looks cool as fuck. This sucks. It's his victory lap. Andy's comfortable. I just got my ass kicked, and I got to go try to put my shit back in a suit. I have to go fucking tie a double Windsor now. Sucks. So Derek hates the dress code, though.

He hates it. He's got a good quote on it here. This is fucking great. He just doesn't like, this is about everything. It stems from the dress code, and it goes into everything here. Here he is, third person in here. Oh, no. Quote, when something's not right, Derek Coleman says that things aren't going right.

That's the way I was raised. If you ask me, I'm going to tell you the truth. I'm not going to lie to you, whether it's what you want to hear or not. People have a problem with that. That's when they say he's arrogant, he's cocky, he's got an just speak up for myself i'm not gonna let anybody intimidate me i'm not going to let anybody run over me if that labels me as being a bad guy then i'm a bad guy there you go fine whatever you said was fine except for the part that you said derrick when things aren't going right derrick colman says yeah shit isn't right. Period.

Fuck you. How many times in a locker room does somebody say, you want us to wear something specific, you better pay for it? Yeah, right? That's the thing. How many times do they scream that? They've got millions of dollars and they're cheap as fuck about it. They're cheap as fuck. And then it turns into then after a while, it got to be like guys would go crazy with

the suits or it'd be like a fashion show of the suits and they'd have ten thousand dollar suits on it's like that's what you want to encourage of your players to piss their money away on clothes like on fucking ten thousand dollar suits they can compete with each other whereas they just want to wear fucking cross colors or some fucking or just a warm-up suit even like a fucking team warm-up suit or whatever they want to be comfortable before they go play whatever that gets them in the mindset i don't give a shit if you showing up wearing a crazy ass outfit gets you in the in the mindset to go give yourself brain damage and inflict it upon others fucking great where you want i don't give a shit if it helps it helps 92 93 nets here they finished 43 and 39 holy shit chuck daly came over from the pistons that year yeah i'm, and kind of turned them around. Still third in the Atlantic.

They go to the playoffs again here. They lose in the first round to the most boring team that's ever walked the face of the earth. Indiana Pacers. The Cleveland Cavaliers. Okay, we're that one. No, the Pacers were entertaining in the 90s. The Cavs were, their whole brand was slow it down. They would wait until there was two seconds left on the shot clock. You'd get in trouble if you shot the ball before 20 seconds and expired on

the shot clock that's how boring they were i want this game to end 91 to 87 91 87 their games would be like their games literally would be 70 to 64 in the 90s and less there were games where they were winning 63 58 like it was like a college game. They didn't have the talent, so they just had Mark Price dribble around for fucking 18 seconds, and then that was the game. It's like playing NBA Live and have the quarter set on five minutes. Yeah. Exactly. 63 points.

63 points. Well, you can score a lot more there. You can't set it. Imagine if you ever played an NBA Live on full quarters. Oh, yeah. It's like 385 to fucking. It's exhausting. You can't do it.

It's so long. One quarter is like a whole game. So Coleman here during this year in November, I believe, he becomes one of only three players in NBA history to do something actually positive here. He records a five by five, which is five of certain stats every five of everything oh okay five steals what do you get him in but he was the only he is one of two guys to do five by five in a game with at least 20 points and 10 rebounds 20 10 and then five five five so five steals five blocks five assists that's incredible yeah it's. Only two other people have done it in history.

Did he do rebounds, assists, and blocks? It's 20 points, 10 rebounds he had. Oh, got it. You have to have at least 20 and 10 to be in that three group, and then the rest of it, five, five, five. So it would be assists, blocks, steals, probably. I would assume. So yeah, that's five by five.

Doesn't happen often. This particular feat, like I said, happened three times total, or not more than that but three guys total uh akim elijah won did it a few times because he's fucking akim elijah won and then draymond green did it once as well oh yeah i know i don't like that i mean derrick coleman did it so it's the list drops hard after elijah let's just say that so drops off real hard after all after the dream draymond green got that that's no shit yeah but hakeem did it so good for him i love hakeem olajuwon so playoffs that year here 92 93 playoffs

he averages 26.8 a game and all he starts all five games they lose the series, but 20, not because of him, 26.8 points, 13.4 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 1.2 steals, and 2.6 blocks a game. Just him and one other guy? That is fucking dominant. Yeah. That's a dominant center in the 90s, like a Patrick Ewing playoff performance or somebody like that, like a David Robinson, robinson akima lajuan type performance he's playing center right yeah no he's playing power forward okay but still he's not that's the

other thing he's not having to play against centers but he's the size of a center who the fuck is this center is it jason williams it is jason williams yeah yeah it's jason williams he absolutely does gets jason williams from uh saint john's who we've done an episode about. He comes up in this, too. Okay. He makes $2.87 million this year. So $2,870,000 this year. Next year, before the season, they're trying to re-up his contract. They want to redo it. Extend him. And they offer him an eight-year, $69 million contract.

This is guaranteed every penny. Eight years, $69 million. Does he take it? Not too shabby. 69 million dollar contract this is guaranteed every penny eight years 69 million bucks does he take it not too shabby uh it would make him the highest paid power forward in the nba and uh his agent says quote it's a credible offer but it's not acceptable oh drew rosenbaum no harold mcdonald okay uh yeah he wasn't around yet, Rosenhaus. No? He wasn't around. Yeah. 93, he was, well, Christ, he was probably in high school back then or some shit. Yeah. Is he that young? He wasn't around.

He was only in his early 30s or something when that Terrell Owens shit was going on. Really? Yeah, he was. But he had fucking every athlete playing for him. Some of them, yeah. Then he was an asshole. Yeah, he was a dick. He seemed to kind of burn himself out in that it was pushing

too hard he wanted to be he wanted to be like uh scott boris but scott boris is scott boris and he's not that's why i guessed this for his behavior because this is fucking stupid yeah to say that it's not acceptable mcdonald the agent did say that the 4.2 million dollar base salary in the initial year was too low he also said the contract took too long for the most lucrative figures to kick in, because it's back-ended pretty heavy here, and that the control of the option year, the eighth year, was New Jersey's option, and that should be Derek's option, is what he said. So the Nets control the option year in their offer. He also said that Coleman wants control of the option year, one which would him 13 million dollars that season yeah in his 34th year of life wow so

it's a lot to think that is this guy still going to be healthy in eight years but also if he is still healthy he's got a good chance of playing four more years that's the thing that's awesome yeah uh but mcdonald also said quote if derrick had to sign this year it might be an agreeable offer but derrick doesn't have to sign this year and look at where the salaries have gone who knows what's going to happen next year he wasn't a free agent yet they were trying to sign him early and they were like yeah we'll just play this out and then we'll see what kind of money we can get later on if you want to do it that way which puts a lot of pressure on the nets so they end up giving him a deal i don't have the exact particulars but at the time and for a very short window he is the highest paid player in the

nba unbelievable the highest paid player in the nba in the league that is michael jordan and fucking patrick ewing and you name it all these big stars charles barkley and he doesn't even love basketball doesn't even give a shit grace that's good that's grace I'm sorry to be the highest paid person at a thing that you don't even fucking care about that's amazing imagine if we didn't even like comedy like we were like I hate to laugh right I hate jokes and I make 250 million dollars yeah but I'll still make all this yeah 200 imagine that imagine Kevin Hart hates comedy that's what i mean yeah somebody great dave chapelle's a man fuck comedy like what talking about so high paid what do you mean you do so

well everybody loves you for it too that's the other thing and you're getting a lot out of this so 93 94 the nets here they go 45 and 37 holy shit that's a fucking ripper year for them. Not bad at all. They go to the playoffs and they lose to the Knicks that year in the playoffs. This is the year where the Knicks went and lost to the fucking goddamn Rockets in seven with John Starks going like

one for 19 from three-pointer. Keep letting them shoot it. It's that year. They lose to the Knicks 3-1, which is good because as a Knicks fan, you don't want to lose to the Nets in the playoffs. That's embarrassing. The Knicks and Bulls spoiled the Nets season so many times. There was a bunch of those mediocre kind of on-the-bubble teams that they just plowed through every year.

So that year, he is also an all-star, Derek. He averages 20.2 points per game, 11.3 rebounds, 3.4 assists, 1.8 blocks. Has a great fucking year. So he's earning his contract, actually. He got his contract. That lit a rocket up his ass. Good for him. So he's an all-star in the playoffs that year, though.

Also, again, 24.5 points, 14.3 rebounds a game in the playoffs that year. He's doing all he can. I mean, it's not his fault that they're losing. Put it that way. That year, the base, because I think it was still his old contract, he ended up with $3,440,000. Now, May 23, 1994, he is with Jason Williams, who is, if you don't know, I believe he's episode five?

Maybe. Of Crime and Sports? Might be three. Might be three. He's in the first seven episodes. We did Jason Williams, who, of course, shot his limo driver and is just a mess in every other aspect as well. So he's a disaster. If you want to hear that episode, definitely check that episode out.

What a dummy. Oh, he's such a fucking idiot. So they're together, these two. Hanging out. Hanging out. episode out what a dummy oh he's such a fucking idiot so they're together these two hanging out hanging out we talked about this incident on the on the jason williams episode as well they both arrested and charged with assault that night after they beat the shit out of three teenagers outside of a nightclub remember this no they beat up three teenage kids they beat up kids one of them's actually a child wow uh they beat up three teenagers jacob cruz ariel roldos jacob's 19 ariel's 18 and thomas delgado who's 16 years old wow uh filed a

complaint with the police after coleman and i guess williams was in there to beat them between 2 and 3 a.m not for the whole hour just sometime in there that would have been bad just sat there for an hour just an hour pummeled us eat the shit out of it was wild started to i was like man this is going forever about 245 i'm like jesus christ these kids got worked over for 20 minutes take turns so this is outside rebar which is in chelsea do they have like a 10 second timer telling them only 10 seconds left on that 10 seconds yeah the light goes on in the corner like in a boxing match. Now, come on, work them in. Get your last shots in.

The teens also file an eight million dollar civil suit against Coleman and Jason Williams and another net player. They say attacked him. He agreed. Coleman agreed to turn himself in after police threatened to issue a warrant for his arrest for the whole thing. It's a misdemeanor charge. He went into the 10th precinct with a misdemeanor charge with four attorneys. Wow. You what are four attorneys going to do that one attorney?

It's not court where they're fucking, you know, one guy's doing shit and they're doing it. That's not how it works. See, this is a misdemeanor. And these three are going to sort out each assault charge on each child. That was literally just to show, I'm Derek Coleman. Look at how much force I have. I come in with four lawyers. That scares you, doesn't it?

Which is like, it's great. I would love to do that. Don't get me wrong. I'm not taking any shots at it. You're going to get treated better. Probably the more lawyers you have with you, probably the better you'll be treated, I would imagine. I brought the whole firm. I brought Peterson, Nash, Thomas and Floyd.

They're all here. Johnson's missing. He couldn't make it. But he's at a golf tournament. He's at a golf tournament. He'll be here another time. He's going to join us via Zoom. It's fine.

So, yeah, they do that. Coleman enters with four detectives, with four attorneys at four o'clock in the afternoon and surrendered. Police plan to issue a desk appearance ticket for third degree assault and then they released him so also he plays for the u.s this year for the united states in the world championships the fiba world championships they have have i ever heard of that they i've seen it before they have it on off years off of the olympics off even the Olympics. So, 94, 98, they do it all those years. This year, it's pretty much the dream team, too. It's pretty much the same roster, a lot of them.

Derek Coleman, Joe Dumars, Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, Larry Johnson, Grandma Ma himself, Sean Kemp, Dan Marley, Reggie Miller, Alonzo Mourning, Shaquille O'Neal, Mark Price, Steve Smith, Isaiah Thomas, Dominique Wilkins. Wow. That's a fucking squad. That's the 90s version of that, you know, kind of 80s dream team. Between them, that's a lot of fatherless children. That's a lot of, well, we don't know that actually.

If we go through the list, Kemp, just Kemp alone. There's one more in there too. Doesn't Marley have a few too? No. I thought Marley's got a few float. Marley's fucking dipping his stick places he shouldn't be, I'm sure of it. I know he's got a couple of kids with that ex-wife that he just lost, and she took fucking everything. I could be wrong, but I thought he had a problem with that, too.

He got a divorce, and I know that he lost a shitload of money. The only guy who I'm positive probably didn't is Mark Price, because he's a dork and no one wanted to fuck him. They're like, stop dribbling around for fucking 45 seconds, you asshole asshole would you stop dribbling and fuck me like please he's like hold on wait gotta get the shot clock down to 20 gotta get down two seconds okay quick i'm gonna do okay good pops back out again him and larry johnson larry johnson's an asshole too he's got a shit load that he didn't pay for child support kevin Johnson also had some problems. The other guy loved Kevin Johnson, obviously, as a 90s Suns fan. So did the 12-year-old girl. And so did he, who likes the young girl.

The people of Sacramento didn't seem to mind when they elected him mayor. So that's fine, I guess. Or they forgot. Short memories. So this team in the World Championships goes 8-0. They crush. They fucking crush everybody. I was looking at the scores.

It was like 131-82. I was like, Jesus Christ. That's not fair. Right. For fuck's sake. Well, what foreigner's guarding Shaq? No offense, rest of the world, but China doesn't have a guy who can guard Shaq.

I'm just sorry. It's not because they're Chinese. It's because any country doesn't have a fucking guy who can guard Shaq. It's just because Yao Ming's only 11 at that point. Yeah, and Shaq would have went through him like a hot knife through butter back then he was a fucking freight train for christ's sake so july 16th 1994 a 22 year old women a woman not women not multiple a 22 year old woman is found crying on the steps of a detroit police precinct house

early in the morning and when they ask her, hey, what's shaking there, darling? She tells police she had just been sexually assaulted at a nearby hotel by Derek Coleman of the New Jersey Nets. That's the story she's given here. It's at a Westin hotel. She told them that she met Coleman at a topless bar, and then they went to a room at the Westin, as these things happen sometimes. While in the room, he,

well, this is what the police said, their report. Quote, while in the room, the man made advances toward her, which she discouraged. The man then allegedly forced her on the floor and sexually assaulted her. Yeah, on the floor. Yeah, on the floor.

So Coleman denies the charge here um his agent says to the press quote he didn't do it nothing happened he didn't lay a hand on her that's the thing he's guilty of is being big black and having nba money that's what he says that's the only the only thing he's guilty of is being big black and having nba money there's nothing to hide derrick is totally innocent he's a victim of being tall and black and from the nba wealthy uh background which he's said repeats himself quote he never touched a lady it's not a question of consensual sex there was no contact so he's saying it's not even like she's a liar she yeah they're saying it's not even consensual issue i never fucked her period so that's a different thing completely it's not a he said she said it's a did he fuck her or not so according to the police uh she told

them it occurred about 2 30 in the morning pushed her to the floor after she rebuffed advances the police said that the matter was under investigation the agent said that uh coleman says he was uh at he has a home in detroit and was taking part in a large family reunion based at the hotel. So he's saying he was at the hotel. He said that a cousin had introduced Coleman to the woman in the cousin's room and that Coleman and the woman, whom he knew only as Africa, had left the room at the same time but were not together. That's what he says. He said that the two had gotten into the same elevator. But when then Coleman realized it was going down, not up, he got out and took another elevator up to his room on a higher floor.

I never heard a word about a club. That's exactly. Yeah. Yeah. He said entirely different night. That's what I mean. It's a totally different night. So this is a completely different thing.

Coleman said, quote, I'm here to enjoy a family reunion. Allegations have been made against me. I gave the police a statement. I'm going to wait and see what happens. The truth will come out. So the police said that Coleman was cooperating with investigators. They said the police chief here, Isaiah McKinnon, said, quote, there's a great deal of information we're trying to assemble. There's always two sides to these stories.

We're doing our best to try to get every part of it, then make a determination. So the woman was examined at the hospital also, and they find out about that. The police chief, the deputy police chief said, We're trying to work this out and see who's telling the right story. It's possible there was a misidentification. There's lots of details that just aren't coming together like where they saw each other all that kind of shit right so this all makes sense july 29th 1994 which is just like a week later he's cleared of the rape charge by the police and now he's saying he's going to file a suit against the accuser for making false charges yeah prosecutor announced that the semen samples taken from the victim do not match Derek Coleman.

Oh, that's fucked up. So there's some fat blob dude running around talking about Derek Coleman or she fucked a guy and was like, it'd be better if I fucked Derek Coleman because I met him. I don't know. Or maybe, like I said, maybe that guy saw derrick coleman and was like i'll say i'm derrick coleman like you never know or maybe it was a relative of his who said i'm derrick coleman's cousin and we have no idea what happened no clue what happened she had sex with somebody hopefully not against her will like she said but possibly against her will which is obviously horrible we don't want that to happen anybody but the bottom line is derrick coleman

did not is not the acute is not the perpetrator here that's so shitty that's a fact the dna does not match not not a thing so there's nothing that can be done about that poor bastard yeah that's that really sucks yeah uh he submitted to blood tests uh the day charges were filed by the woman he submitted immediately the blood test was like fuck no didn't bang her how crazy is that though that she can she was in the elevator with derrick coleman yeah and then she had sex with somebody that said he was derrick coleman or or you know we don't know yeah we have no idea what happened there's somebody that misidentified he got dragged into the whole thing she happened to you were actually in the elevator

with him yeah yeah that's wild if you google search derrick coleman rape there's a whole pages come up of it where that's tough. If you didn't rape anybody, nobody wants to. That's one of those things. If you do it, you're the worst fucking piece of shit in the world and you should be ostracized. And if you didn't do that and you're accused of it, you can't be accused of anything fucking worse. So you're like, Jesus Christ, there's nothing you could do there. That sucks.

You'd hope that somebody would delete all that shit from the Internet. Yeah. No, it's all with the New York Times. Every publication there was. It was a big deal. delete all that shit from the internet yeah no it's all but the new york tie was every publication there was it was a big deal he was the highest paid player in the nba getting accused of rape ouch this was a huge story for a week until it came out that he definitely didn't do it and then everybody left it alone and nobody was like you know nobody was like whispering about it it was like oh false accusation totally but there was no return cleared through science no although they

had cleared of rape on channels on page six the articles were up there cleared of rape article so maybe well actually it was a big big even bigger story i would hope so so yeah it was huge derrick hallman fucking semen doesn't match it was huge uh derrick says quote if i was just a regular person none of that would have ever happened but i think i'm a pretty good judge of character i see through people if they're trying to take advantage of me i don't like making new friends i like my old friends i like people who knew me in high school and college too many people see an opportunity and try and take advantage of me and i'm not going to take it i'll see you in court i think i speak for a lot of athletes when i say some people accuse you of something and then say well we'll settle out of court no we won't because i didn't do anything wrong we can take it to the supreme court if you

want i ain't settling nothing i work too hard for what i got to give it away fuck yeah derrick like that i like that attitude if i didn't do shit i'm not settling shit fuck you whenever i see settling i get that why people do it but i go that makes you look guilty right you know what i mean if not of that of what of what yeah i'm sorry if i'm michael jackson i didn't fuck kids i'm not giving anybody a motherfucking dime suing everybody and getting money that's what i mean i'm not i'm not doing fuck that shit yeah i'm ruining you unless you know no matter what you did it was still a little creepy even if it wasn't what they said it was whatever the sliding scale of that is so 94 95 season like jerking off and looking into buttholes like that kind of like that staring staring i think we did about a 20 minute run on michael jackson and butthole staring for a while

just to stare and tugging it's not about yeah it's not about making me feel good it's about making you feel bad that's what that is that's exactly what it was holy shit yeah not true words have ever been spoken it's that's i think we just summed it all up in a nutshell there right so uh jesus 94 95 they lose chuck daly and they end up with butch beard as a coach i don't even know who butch beard is i honestly don't and i was in new york at this time don't remember this don't remember butch beard at all i don't know the transition period between him to was it coach brown after that oh christ i don't know that there was a few in there they were they were firing people left and right

through this time period so uh willis reed still there as the executive but they go 30 and 52 this year ouch yeah uh not great at all i don't think chuck daly was your problem obviously no no that was the thing they lost to the knicks in the playoffs last year and then they just completely kind of the bottom fell out of it their butthole lost all elasticity after that and just loose things were falling out it's like they didn't want to fall out. Not a good deal. During a 1995 game versus the Nets versus the Jazz, Coleman, I believe on television, referred to Carl Malone as an Uncle Tom. Oh, I remember that. Which is fucking hilarious.

I remember that, too. Yeah. He just was like, yeah, he's an Uncle Tom. And that was that. Carl Malone was like, what the fuck? Wow, man. Thanks, dude. And then he called himself a black redneck in the next breath and gotten his 18 wheeler,

pulled the fucking thing and drove away with his cowboy boots on. Not an Uncle Tom at all. No, but he might not be. That's a different thing. But it sure appears that way. That's more of an attitude and what you believe in rather than how you act. So, Derek, though, 20.5 points a game three years in a row of 20 points a game in the year before that it was 19.8 so not too shabby pretty good

10.6 rebounds a game 20 and 10 yeah i feel like that's all he wants he's like 20 and 10 means you're good and you get paid well so onto my checks with that don't need to do any more than that 20 and 10 and have 30 wins and i make make $8 million, and I'm a happy guy. So this year he brings in $4.212 million. June 24, 1995, he has a bit of a problem with the police, as you might imagine. He's arrested after a dispute with police who asked him to move his pickup truck, which was blocking traffic outside of a nightclub. He had it kind of post it up.

Drives a pickup. I'm sure it's a big... It's a lot of truck. Yeah, there's all sorts of shit going on on it, I'm sure. So he ends up being arrested for disorderly conduct at 2.25 in the morning for this whole thing, for disobeying the police officer. He calls it, Derek afterwards is quoted as saying it was a quote big misunderstanding yeah so i was speaking cantonese they didn't understand they didn't get it it was weird

he's arrested outside this detroit nightclub uh he had cursed the officers he basically they said move your truck and he said go fuck yourself was what i broke down to basically and they went i said move your truck and he said i said go fuck derrick coleman said go fuck yourself yeah and they were like well derrick coleman could put his hands behind his back now. And that's what ended up happening. The deputy police chief said that he he counts. He had counseled this arresting officer because they're trying to say that the arresting officer was aggressive as well. Because people were saying that this officer was mistreating people anyway.

And then this was a part of it. saying that this officer was mistreating people anyway and then this was a part of it so the sergeant said i have recently talked to him regarding conduct related to business people in the downtown area who said he approached them in a heavy-handed manner not crackheads not even fucking teenagers on skateboards business people in the area usually are used to getting yelled at by cops for no reason so yeah so that's so that's going on. I guess this guy said, the officer said he strained a muscle in his side while they struggled to get Coleman, who was handcuffed, into the police car because he didn't want to. And he's a giant guy.

If he doesn't want to get in a car, good luck getting him in the car. A little cop on a power trip trying to push a 6'10 guy into a car. Yeah, it's bad. You're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole in the first place. Yes, and that's what I feel like it is too with this particular guy and when i hear the quotes from his commanding officer saying like i gotta counsel this guy all the time about this type of shit this seems like a guy who's got a chip on his shoulder and he sees a big giant fucking motherfucker and he's like well my badge is bigger than you and i can do on a little nap problem there. A tiny Jersey cop. Yeah. And as you said,

a guy who makes $5 million a year, who's bigger and you know, all this type of shit. And I'm going to show him who's boss. And that'll happen from time to time here. So it's, you either get that or the fawning cops who want tickets and autographs. You get one or the two.

It's very rare. It's just somebody who treats them normal. So, uh, also they, uh, quote, this is one of the police

people quote uh there were rumors from people that derrick coleman had been beaten by the police and that he had to go to the hospital the crowd had been upset by the way coleman was being treated and started throwing bottles so this was like yeah it started to get ugly once they started to cuff derrick the crowd was like oh he didn't do nothing so the crowd started throwing fucking bottles at the at the cop car and shit so So it got real ugly real fast. Awesome. Yeah. It's fucking interesting.

So 1995, he appears on Bill Nye, the science guy. What? When I think science, I think Derek Coleman. Although he does owe science a great deal of debt of gratitude after it freed him from a rape charge. So you know what? He's like, science is great. When you put semen on a slide you can tell the dna difference between this semen and that semen is that the episode

bill's trying to explain i believe it was yeah bill bill had two rape kits he was doing a comparison on for the kids we're doing a comp on rape kits right now kids uh we just want you to see that every person has a specific dna in their body exactly take derrick coleman his was not found in a lady from a hotel luckily for him someone was so unlucky for her so this is at the time to 93 94 is when he's in a fucking million commercials for british knights really do you remember british knights yes yes if you grew up in the 90s had bks remember bks bks were a big fucking deal derrick coleman was one of their big guys he was like their he was like their signature basketball player was derrick coleman that was his shoe was a british knight his shoe was the bk and they had it was the it's a dc on the tongue

these british knights yeah i saw several One was, I was looking them up on YouTube, and I remember them the second I saw them, but one was him laid out on a table like Frankenstein in a lab. Oh, boy. You know, a lab, and there's a lady, and there's a scientist bubbling shit, and they're like, we can't bring him back to life. And she's like, well, what if we do these shoes?

And he's like, ah, the shoes, and he rises and fucking starts breaking shit. And then the woman gives like a hmm, like she to fuck him and then he fucking goes away it's so weird the lab chick wants to bang him just to fuck the monster yeah like well bride of frankenstein style i guess so there's that and then there's another one what a dumb commercial it's so stupid it's so 90s like it's just like cheesy right but like kind of wink winky yeah campiness of it's going i want those fucking shoes yeah they're really high though they're tall yeah like shacks they're tall boys yeah we're so fucking tall any shoes you got of like a center they never sold well because they were always super tall because they needed ankle support so no one wants yeah if you're a kid you don't want to wear that the patrick

ewing's all those are too tall you want the three-quarter height fucking you know barkley's the cb34s or something jordan mid-rise yeah another commercial was him trying to do they were trying to do a knockoff of like a nike spike lee commercial where this is a commercial in the beginning they say directed by derrick coleman and it shows him with the clapboard and he claps and it's just it's black and white gritty footage of like him like you know oh this is my these are some cousins of mine hanging out on the front steps here of like his old neighborhood and like his cousins like hey what's up there this is a ball court where I grew up on I used to play ball I came here when I was like eight once and got jumped by like seven guys he goes I wonder what those seven guys are doing right now and then he goes up and they show him dunking on the hoop.

And then at the end he goes, eat your heart out, Spike. And he fucking claps the thing like, I'm Spike Lee now, like I did a Nike ad. It would have been great if seven dudes came over to get an autograph from him. That would have been amazing. That's all it is. Hey, man. He's just rubbing it in their face. I wonder what those seven dudes are doing today.

Today. And then they don't even show up. No, that's what I mean. It's just him clapping back at some dude sitting on his couch watching commercials. He's like, oh, shit. Is that that little shit? I think I beat his bald ass. I kicked a kid's ass on that court like 20 years ago.

You know what? He was roundheaded. He was. It's got to be dark. So, 95-96, November 30th, 1995, he's traded by the Nets here. 30th 1995 he's traded by the nets here traded with sean higgins and rex walters to the sixers for tim perry greg graham and the storm and mormon himself sean bradley really oh yeah he went to new jersey when they went okay so it was jersey it was dc for sean bradley and then trash and then a couple of trashers thrown in there yeah so 95 96 sixers were fucking terrible 18 and 64 oh boy wow that is awful that team was

bad for so long so but they had jerry stackhouse they had ed pickney they had vernon maxwell in and out they had a lot of guys it does clarence weatherspoon that was the east's clippers yeah yeah they were so bad they were bad they were bad stuff for a fucking long time for a real long time uh that year though for him for philly only 11.2 points a game he only plays in 11 games and starts 11 games for them because uh yeah he has an injury too here makes 5 million 476 thousand dollars though two million a game so it does pretty well there not too shabby about half a mil a game yeah oh yeah half what am i doing so that's going backwards dyslexic math is what you're doing i believe

that's called math dyslexia so 1996 he's got a wife named gina now or later on i don't think it's the same wife from now i think he's always the same wife for some reason uh a son is born for him here 1996 son is born derrick come Come on. It's Derek Jr. Of course. Did you expect... He refers to himself in the third person. If another human being slides out of his wife's fucking crotch, you think he's not going to name it after himself? You think he's going to let her

fucking try to name it? Not happening. If she takes a shit and he sees it, he names it Derek. Anything. Anything that comes out of her body is Derek. She hocks up a loogie. He's like, that's Derek right Anything. Anything that comes out of her body is Derek. She hocks up a loogie. He's like, that's Derek right there. It's just in case it comes to life and does something. I'm not even trying.

Obviously, anything that you do is because of me. And it will have my hubris as well. I put the food on the table that you eat. Therefore, shit comes out that way. Derek, I get to name your shit. I get to name that. I get to name everything you have. I'm going to name your titties, too. Derek, therefore shit comes out. That way, Derek, I get to name your shit. I get to name that. I get to name everything you have. I'm going to name your titties, too.

Right. That's Derek. That one's Coleman. That's Derek. Yep. Coleman. And nipple is Junior. Yep.

And the other one is Derek again. Ricky. That's Ricky. So 96, 97, 22, and 60 the Sixers are. They fucking sucked. Good God. This is the year they got Allen Iverson, though, and this is when it started to turn around. Once they got Iverson, that turned the franchise around.

At least the people came to watch them lose. They came, and then they started winning, and they were in the finals by the early 2000s because of fucking almost single-handedly because of Allen Iverson. Almost. Dude, I love Allen Iverson. He's so good. He's going to be an episode one of these days, but I fucking love him, man. almost single-handedly because of alan iverson almost dude i love alan iverson so good he's gonna be an episode one of these days but i fucking love him man he he's a guy if derrick

cullman had one tenth of fucking alan iverson's drive and desire on the court derrick cullman would have been the greatest player who's ever walked the earth yeah by far like he would have he would have been better than fucking julius Like, he would have been better than fucking Julius Irving. He would have been better than fucking anybody. He would have been great. Fucking great big man, too. Meanwhile, Allen Iverson fucking hates practicing. Because I don't blame him.

He's a little guy. Gets a shit beat out of him every game. How many times do you see Iverson on the floor per game? Yeah, you can't duplicate that in practice. You can't. And his body needs to heal. He's like, what the fuck am I going to run around, beat myself up for when I do that shit in the game?

What about practice? Practice? Same thing with like Kevin Johnson would do that same thing where he drive to the lane, get knocked to the floor. Like, how the hell would those guys want to practice? And you can't, you can't duplicate in the practice.

No. You can't have Charles Barkley slapping that guy around. No, knocking guys to the ground and getting hurt and shit. Injuring them. We don't have him for the season. Exactly. Jerry Stackhouse on this team as well.

So, yeah, Stackhouse was good from North Carolina. So, I'm thinking Antoine Jamison, also North Carolina. So, 96-97 for Philly. 18.1 points a game. 10.1 rebounds. 3.4 assists. Makes $6,739,000 that year. Not too shabby for old D.C.

1997, he faces a lawsuit in Michigan where he's accused of trespassing and battery at a Detroit woman's home in 1997. Is that that son of a bitch to be out there raping people? It's not. Maybe it's the same guy. I'm Derek Coleman, dammit. Whatever he does, whenever he commits crime, he just announces himself as Derek Coleman

of the New Jersey Nets slash Philadelphia 76ers first. That's what he does. My mom's name is Dassy. So, yeah, he faces that there. Nothing really comes of that, but it's a big media story for a minute. 97-98 for Philly. 17.6 points a game 9.9 rebounds so

pretty much the same shit makes 8 million 2 800 that year not too fucking shabby that's awesome that is good shit and his contract is up at the end of that year and that the beginning of the next year is the lockout oh so he has to wait until january to sign with a team so he does and he signs with the charlotte hornets yeah in january of 1999 five years 40 million really for derrick at this point in his career what are they doing this is why they sucked for so long yeah they went through two coaches that year yeah you fired a guy into a half a season what are you doing? Why do that?

And then the team ended up moving. That's who went to New Orleans, right? Yeah, and then they got another one back. Made a new one, the Bobcats. This is B.J. Armstrong, Eldon Campbell, Ricky Davis, Eddie Jones. I remember Eddie Jones. He was good when he was on the Heat. Eddie Jones, Chuck Person, J.R. Reid, Charles Shackelfordford who will certainly be an episode as well very soon

uh yeah all sorts of people on here uh that year he goes 13.1 points a game give 40 million bucks to get 13 million 13 points back brutal 8.9 rebounds which is a full rebound less than the year before yeah which isn't wonderful he makes two salaries this year what because he makes he has 76 or money left over on that contract and then he also gets the new one for the hornets the way the bargaining thing worked out so with the 76ers he they have to pay him five million six hundred thousand dollars and then the hornets pay him six million six hundred sixty seven thousand dollars eleven million dollars for being a piece of shit? Almost 12.

Almost 12. Wow. For 13.1 points a game, starting 29 games, 31 minutes a game. That is awful. 31 minutes a game, which is his career low

except for the year he was injured with Philly. Otherwise, same shit here. Awful. Awful. Absolutely awful. Downhill at this point. April 13th, 1999. He's in front of Chuck's Millionaire's Club, which sounds like a place for douchebags.

There are no millionaires there, except for Derek Coleman. Except for Derek Coleman. It's one of those places that you're like, VIP nails and no VIPs will ever get their nails done there. Exactly. Yeah, you're like, nope, that place sucks. That is not celebrity tanning. Nobody that's a celebrity will ever be in there.

They go to places with nice sun. Right. Lay in it. They go to an island. Celebrity tan and fucking Turks and Caicos. That's where they go. I'm not going to a strip mall in fucking Poughkeepsie. You like my tan?

No. No one wants that. No one wants to be in Poughkeepsie. So trust me. So here he ends up being charged with a misdemeanor interfering with a police officer while performing his duty. And he's released on $100 bond. He's arrested. Basically, it's a nightclub.

And apparently his friend was being arrested for disorderly conduct. And Derek refused to leave the scene or stop interfering with the whole deal here. He kept trying to get him insert himself in the middle of it until finally they had to go, all right, well, I guess we arrest you too. Fine. It was one of those deals. His friend had been in a fight in front of the nightclub,

so he was getting arrested. So not wonderful. Not a good look for Derek here, just to not cooperate. He said it in the beginning. No one's going to tell Derek Coleman what to do. It's true. And it doesn't matter who you are. You're not tell Derek Coleman what to do. It's true. And it doesn't matter who you are.

You're not telling Derek Coleman what to do. Derek Coleman will tell him. Derek Coleman will tell Derek Coleman what to do. So August 9th, 1999. This is a wild fucking little scene here that happened. He's eating in a restaurant with Thomas Hitman Hearns, the legendary middleweight boxer, and Jalen Rose. What? He's a Detroit native, Jalen Rose.

I guess that makes sense. He's from Detroit. So, yeah. Apparently, they're eating dinner. There's conflicting, I don't know what, there's conflicting reports of what kind of restaurant it is. It is either a Chinese restaurant, according to one report, or very specifically, the Intermezzo Italian Ristorante. Okay. I'm going to go with that one because, or very specifically, the Intermezzo Italian Ristorante.

I'm going to go with that one because it's very specific. So he's at what sounds like probably a real nice Italian restaurant. Or he was at a Chinese place speaking Cantonese, and we're about to have a misunderstanding. That's a possibility. Well, there's certainly a misunderstanding. Let's put it that way. When apparently he gets up from his table and stands up and pisses in his pants. What?

In the middle of the dining room. Get out of here. That's what everybody saw. It's apparently like a, it's a very fancy restaurant. And he stood up and pissed his dress pants there on purpose. Apparently. Yeah. Just did that.

They asked him to leave because he's pissing on himself. And he said no and then he ends up getting uh he could face criminal charges for urinating in the dining room of a downtown restaurant here um the incident happened at about 1 30 in the morning he was immediately asked to leave yeah police arrived 15 minutes later and he had already driven off in his Bentley convertible with piss in his pants, piss in his pants, piss pants in the driver's seat of a Bentley. I really hope it's that nice leather.

You can at least get it off of. So witnesses, if witnesses come against him, he could be, it's a, it's a misdemeanor deal. And he says that he's just spilled a drink on himself. But literally, people saw him stand up with dry pants and watch them get wet. So that's what other people are saying. I'm not saying that's what happened. He says, quote, It's a big misunderstanding. That is the name of this episode.

A very big misunderstanding. That's Derek Coleman's whole life. He's a very big misunderstanding that's derrick coleman's whole life he's a very big misunderstanding time of misunderstanding and then he says quote i'm going to leave it alone until i can straighten it out yeah well yeah what else are you gonna do you pissed your pants it's not a big deal till i get to the dry cleaner yeah his agent said i haven't spoken to him about that probably in that exact tone i don't know i haven't even well he did what that sounds like an embarrassing conversation to have tell you misunderstand yeah i misunderstood i'm gonna i'm gonna go ahead and

shadow yeah i'm gonna echo him and say misunderstanding here uh he's later actually arrested for it they do arrest him for disorderly conduct and he pleads no contest to it and his char find a hundred dollars for pissing himself in a restaurant in front of thomas hitman earns and jaylen rose jaylen why would you do that i don't know that was it a dare was he that drunk i don't know if he was just like i'm derrick coleman i'll do whatever i want include pissing in the dining room or what i don't know derrick coleman will piss in derrick coleman's pants derrick coleman will shit on the candle in your table that's what derrick coleman i'll put that out right now so derrick coleman yeah he is just he's a fucking this is fans in public yeah he's a mess but he's still he doesn't eat derrick

coleman god damn it he doesn't care he goes back to his house and he's happy guy yeah that's right he's gonna go home leaves the police station walks down the front steps there. And he's like, Jesus, free as a bird. Glad I brought seven lawyers with me. And another change of pants. For a piss pants charge, I brought seven lawyers with me, I'm sure. And he turns around. He's adjusting his pants, making sure they're dried up after he put them back on. He looks up and standing before him in all his glory, it's Vince McMahon, chairman of

the CEO, chairman and CEOo of the wwe corporation and he says how is it you've come to arrive here you beautiful bastard look at you oh. Oh, my God. You're huge. You're arrogant. You're unnecessarily violent. You're swinging all over the place. You got someone holding your gold. I love it.

I love it. He's a wrestler. You've even been accused of sexual impropriety. You're a goddamn wrestler. You're a wrestler. Can I ask you this one question, though? How do you feel about drugs? You're going to have to take some.

I feel like you're a big guy, but let's get you up to like 375 of just steroid induced muscle. Let's get you doing and we'll put you out there and you can knock women to the ground and you can beat people up and throw them on the ground and bash them into the wall like a monster.

What do you say? You can live in overalls. You don't even have to take them off. You're just pissing them. Get that shirt off. Get it off. Let's go. Let's have a look at those tits. Let's have a look at those big chocolate titties.

I love big chocolate boobs. Let me see them. Ah, there you go. Ah, piss yourself. Ah, look at you. I love it. Poof. And he disappears into a poof of 1099s and confused athletes so it's an obamacare form

yeah just for your own here you go motherfucker aca yourself october 27th 1999 derrick is uh well according to the charlotte mecklenburg police department here he uh had gone through a green light into an intersection and a truck struck him uh the truck driver pete rowe said that coleman turned left in front of him that's how that went um now he's had obviously a lot of problems here he got had to get stitches for cuts to his nose and forehead and is released from the hospital. He's also with Eldridge Ricancer, who's a teammate of his. Eldridge actually had a partially collapsed lung and a badly bruised chest and shoulder and will remain in the hospital for a few days. That's a nasty accident.

Well, they hit really hard. Good Lord. The other passenger, Ebony Kimbrough, was treated at the center for facial cuts and was listed in fair condition. Now, police do arrest Derek on the charge of driving while under the influence. His blood alcohol level apparently was above the legal limit here. Yeah. So that wasn't good at all. He's charged with drunk driving and this accident and everything like that.

His coach said, quote, if found guilty of anything, we will take appropriate action. In other words, right now it's fine. Eddie Jones, his teammate, said things happen. It was an accident. We need to let him get better. True. But if he was drunk, that's an accident that could have been avoided. Probably some other problems. You may have.

Yeah. Ninety nine. Two thousand with the Hornets. Heets he's 49 and 33 or they are not him they lose in the first round of the playoffs to the sixers that year who really were going into the playoffs it only took a couple years with iverson it's a backward slide for the hornets then it's backward slide for the hornets exactly derrick is 16.7 points a game that year and uh 8.5 rebounds so dropping dropping playoffs though fucking comes alive again playoff series here uh with charlotte four games he's 20.3 points a game 12.5 rebounds three blocks don't know what happened from playoff time he wakes right the fuck up which normally is a great asset if he was only ever on a team that didn't suck. And he also makes $7,370,000 this year as well.

Not too goddamn shabby. Now, 2000 here, early 2000, he has to turn himself in after a warrant is issued for his arrest in North Carolina. He's pulled over and gives them a Michigan driver's license, which is fine. But the thing is, he has a revoked North Carolina driver's license already. That's why he gave it to them. That's why he gave it to them. So once it all went through, they went, hey, and they issued a warrant for his arrest. What a dipshit.

And yeah, his license had been revoked because he refused to take a sobriety test after the car accident last year. He wouldn't. Originally, they had to get his blood later because he wouldn't give a sobriety test after the car accident last year he wouldn't that was originally they had to like you know get his blood later because he wouldn't give a sobriety test but it ended up working for him because he ended up later on they have to drop the charge of drunk driving because they don't have any fucking evidence oh so they have he they revoke his license for refusing the sobriety test but they can't there's no criminal charges because they don't have any evidence that he was actually drunk because he didn't he refused all the fucking tests.

So in the end, he fucking did the smart thing legally for himself. Yeah, he won, I guess you could put it. 2000-2001 with Charlotte, 8.1 points a game. Only starts three games. Down to 20 minutes a game. Oh, no. He plays in 34 games, 20.1 minutes, 8 8.1 points 5.4 rebounds not good what is good eight million dollars for that for eight what points a game for shit literally a million dollars

per point per game that is that's wild that's fucking wild dude think about that think of a team played paid that they'd pay a hundred100 million a game is what they would pay, basically. It was a million dollars a point they had to pay per game. If each person... No, the math is wrong there, but it's still ridiculous. But if each person kept their points up per average, per game, they'd have to pay out $100 million a game. Yeah, if a guy averaged 30 points a game, you'd pay him $30 million a year. Not $100 million a game, but a lot. A year. A year, yeah. $100 if a guy averaged 30 points a game you pay him 30 million dollars a year yeah so not 100 million a game but a year a year yeah pretty much jordan kind of did that didn't he jordan was making 35 million probably hammered more points than than dollars no he did

actually because he was making like 33 million an average in 30 a game average in 30 a game. Average of 30 a game. Not bad. So, 2001-2002. October 21st, 2001. Three-team trade. He's traded by the Hornets. Back to the Sixers here. The Hornets traded Cash to the Golden State Warriors. The Warriors trade Chris Porter to the Hornets. The Warriors trade Corey Blunt and Vontigo Cummings to the Sixers.

The Sixers trade George Lynch, Jerome Moiso, and Robert Taylor to the Hornets. And the Sixers trade Cedric Henderson and a draft pick to the Golden State Warriors. Jesus, this is a shit shuffle. It's a big shit shuffle of contracts and garbage and fucking bench players. Wow. And Derek Coleman's big, ugly contract. Poor fuck. Yeah.

This is where he's landed. He's in a shit shuffle with three bad teams. Yeah. Well, he's on a better team now, though. He goes to Philly, back to Philly. They're 43 and 39 that year. Coach Larry Brown. That's what Brown's in.

Yeah, he's there now. They go to the playoffs that year, but lose to the celtics in five games in the first round he has no luck in the playoffs derrick not a not a lucky guy here he ends up 15.1 points a game and 8.8 rebounds that year he goes back to starting games he starts all 58 games he plays for philly that year so at least they're starting him they should with the money they're paying him eight million seven,710,000 a year for him. That's why they're starting him. They're making him earn it.

They're like, I don't care if you make three points a game. You're going out there and you're going to fucking embarrass yourself then. They're going to force you to do it. And then we're going to talk to the press and say how you feel about it. That's what we're doing. So, July 27, 2002, Coleman is pulled over at 3.30 in the morning. In Philly. Never a good sign, obviously.

He's pulled over for driving 100 mile an hour. It's in Detroit, actually, on Interstate 696. The speed limit is 70. He's driving 100 at 3.30 in the morning. They pull him over. They smell alcohol coming out of the car, obviously. He refused to take a breath test. Obviously, also, you win.

That's how you win. Exactly. He was alone in the vehicle. They take him into custody. They suspect he'd been drinking, obviously, alcohol. Quote, this is from the police chief, William Dwyer, from Farmington Hills. He says, they smelled the odor of alcohol. They gave him a sobriety test that indicated he'd been drinking and he told them that he

had some champagne. Probably more than some if a giant man is drunk. P.S. Farmington Hills is like Scottsdale or Phoenix. Yes. Yeah. That's a nicer area. Unbelievable.

Probably where he would live. Yeah. I would think. Police chief. Yeah, probably. No, no, no. Derek Coleman. I meant Derek Coleman.

He lives in he has a house out there. OK, so that's probably where it is. So he's arrested for refusing to take the breath test and blood tests for alcohol were taken at the hospital, but after they got a court order. So he knows to wait. How long does that take? An hour and a half? Dropping, dropping, dropping.

Also, why are you doing a hundred miles an hour and you're all alone? That's not. That's weird, right? That's fucking bizarre. Just trying to get home fast. In a 70 mile an hour zone. You do 80. I feel like you're just getting home, trying to get home fast 70 mile an hour you do like you're just getting home trying to get home fast you're like no one else on the road i gotta get off the road yeah i'm gonna do 100 i would do 70 4 169 somewhere around there there you go so he's ticketed for operating a vehicle under the influence of liquor refusing

to take a test he postponed he gets out the The attorney said that he spoke with Derek about the arrest, and he declined to comment about it. So there you go. 2002-2003, the Sixers are 48-34. For once, Derek's on a team that wins a goddamn playoff series. They beat the New Orleans Hornets 4-2 in the first round and then lose to the P pistons in the second round here and this is when the pistons were getting real good and would end up winning titles for

this so uh he makes this year jesus fucking christ you've got to be kidding me he makes jimmy nine million three hundred eighty thousand dollars holy shit to be a fucking role guy a role player wow uh july 31st 2003 he gets arrested for drunk driving again i don't have details on this but all the only thing i know is that he's got a drunk driving arrest my god does he love it he loves to he loves to party he likes to drink and party and he's going to drive his fucking bentley's and rolls royce's home when he's done if he doesn't get arrested for beating somebody up if he doesn't crack any skulls on the way so 2003 2004 philly uh eight points a game the year before he had 9.4 so now he's two years straight of under 10 points a game garbage time yeah and he's starting 30 out of 34 games they're making him a center too and philly had to play

center those two years so that's not normal for him, either. But at this point in time, power forwards can run the floor. He can't run the floor anymore. He's a big, fat motherfucker at this point. He's so fat, Jimmy. Jimmy, so fat. So fat. And that power forward position is about to get even more athletic. Oh, yeah.

It's super. It's getting more and more every year in here. He makes $4 million that year. August 4, 2004 2004 he's traded my goodness traded from the sixers with amal mccaskill to the pistons for corliss williamson really yeah at the end of his career at the end of his career so he's back home in his hometown team here which never go home never name your kid junior we've he's broken every rule right basically he hasn't found religion yet which i'm'm happy about. So 2004-2005,

they finished 54-28 with Larry Brown at the helm. This is when they go all the way to the finals this year. They beat the Sixers in the first round, the Pacers in the second round. They win a seven-game series against the Heat in the conference finals, and then lose a seven-game series

to San Antonio that year. But it doesn't matter because derrick is waived on january 5th he never makes it to the never got to the finals he's waived shortly after the pistons pacers brawl that year that the malice at the palace at the palace he is one of the players that faced suspension for it and so they just said you know what get the fuck out of here derrick he was fighting huh he was fighting we're not going to talk about that now because there's going to be around our test episode yeah or meta world peace whatever you want to call him and that he was the main cog in that whole thing and there was criminal charges and everything from that so we won't talk

about that he threw punches that night he was apparently facing suspension for something i wonder i wonder where he was because i mean of the people that threw punches it sure i mean i didn't even know he was there i didn't even know he was in involved we don't know if there's pushing or shoving or it could have been what can get you a suspension closer to the pistons yeah we have no idea if it wasn't around you know fist swinging i'm sure the camera didn't right focus on it too much wild he's waved because of that he's waved yeah there's no point in having him and that year he played in five games started none and averaged 1.8 points a game so he's done he did make four million five hundred thousand dollars for that though so enjoy that um wow he played in five games yeah and he didn't even start them, and he made four mil that year. Pretty much a million a game. I would love to do that.

I'll do that every time. I'm open to all negotiations. You score, out of the five games, you scored a basket in four out of the five games. That's what that means. You scored eight points in five games. That's what that averages to. That's awesome. I'm sure I could cherry pick on one.

That's what I'm saying. Somebody toss me the ball, I'll get one. Dude, an assist? Somebody just, they don't even look at us because we're, they don't care. They don't care.

Boom, layup. We got this. I could do that once a game, probably. High five, Devin Booker. Yay. Run down the court. Nobody can name four players

who play for the Suns. I'll be the fifth guy. Me, Devin Booker, and three other guys. Doesn't matter. Yeah, we all know that one guy. And really, barely only know him because he was being talked about lately. Because they're like, I can't believe that idiot stays there.

Why is he there? What's wrong with him? Likes to be under the radar, apparently. October 2005, Derek is in trouble. He is a little bit in trouble. He is outside of a nightclub early on a Saturday morning, earning a disorderly conduct charge. Are you shocked, Jimmy? 2005.

He has nothing else going on. Are you surprised? Yeah, he gets that. He apparently he said that he a valet is another argument with a truck. Of course, it was parked somewhere. They told him to move it. He said no. He said the valet parked it. I didn't it there fuck you blah blah blah later on he says quote

maybe i lost control maybe he lost control he felt he had to arrest me quote it was just a misunderstanding yeah it's every fucking time it's just a misunderstanding did the valet park because if the valet parked it i don't even have have the keys, officer. I can't move it. I don't have the keys. I don't know. Apparently you had the keys. That's what you say. But if you've got the keys, valet definitely didn't do that.

Maybe they parked it, but now you have control of it since you have the car keys. They parked it there because they thought you were leaving. Yeah. His lawyer, Harold McDonald, said that the argument had been, quote, blown out of proportion. There was no violence, no resisting arrest, nothing. Well, there shouldn't be. You know, he doesn't have anything to hide here, Derek. He should have just said, great, arrest me,

and I'll fucking get out of it because you're arresting me for nothing. Fuck you. You're about to lose your job. Yeah, I'm coming in with four lawyers. You know I come for misdemeanors with fucking flanked by a tag team of lawyers on each side. You know that, right?

We're a Survivor Series team here. Like, this is ridiculous. So he is issued a citation and released. It's a misdemeanor charge that carries a maximum penalty of 90 days in jail or a $100 fine. I'd much rather pay that fine. Fuck yeah. $100 or 90 days in jail? Or hell.

A dollar a day. Would you like to go to jail or pay a dollar? I think I'll pay a dollar to not go to jail today. Every day for the next three months, I'll pay a dollar a day would you like to go to jail or pay a dollar i think i'll pay a dollar to not go to jail today every day for the next three months i'll pay a dollar yeah uh by the way derrick's career numbers 16.5 points a game and uh 9.3 rebounds per game so 16 5 and 9 which is decent but not what he should have been see what i mean if he would have quit earlier that number would have stayed yeah yeah yeah but he still could have been. See what I mean? If he would have quit earlier, that number would have stayed there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he still could have been better, though.

He had that money. Now, 2005, 2006, he does not play, but he still gets paid because he's got a contract. So he gets $2 million for doing nothing that year. I'm sure just for eating and being arrested. For doing nothing. His career total? Yeah. $91,366,800.

What do you think he has left? Well, we'll talk about it. I know. Well, I got a pretty good idea366,800. What do you think he has left? Well, we'll talk about it. I know. Well, I got a pretty good idea. Oh, boy. Now he says regrets. Any regrets, Derek, on your career? Yeah.

He says, quote, one of the things I would have changed, being drafted in New Jersey and being the number one pick going to a struggling team. And I thought the biggest challenge for me was that I never had a mentor there that would take me under his wing and teach me the ropes and then you're like the face of the franchise to be pushed out there you're on this plank by yourself and you're supposed to save a franchise that hadn't been to the playoffs in probably seven or eight years i wish i wouldn't have had i wish i would have had a mentor there uh with me to tell me hey derek don't say this say it this way don't do that i didn't have that the

fuck are you talking about yeah well every first round pick is you're all going to a shit team that's because that's why the best player has that pick exactly idiot i get what he's saying though too if the team there was a it was a young team if that team had a veteran presence somebody that would have taken him aside and say yo don't say you don't use your name in the third person yeah don't say this don't say that if they ask you something this is what you say but just it would have helped him a lot to cause a lot less heartache of maybe but fucking problems he also had draws and petrovich who got drafted around the same time as he did and that guy just didn't speak the language what's i mean if he didn't speak english it would be another not speak english he didn't get in any I mean, he died four years later.

You walk around, they're saying, draws and blah, blah, blah. He goes, what? What? Why? Shoot the ball? I shoot three balls. I shoot the ball. You pass, I shoot the ball.

I don't know. Do what he does. Do what he does. Not really possible. He never got arrested. Maybe he did. I don't know. Not really possible either if you speak English.

May 2008, it comes out in the media here. He's 41 years old. it no maybe he did i don't know not really possible either to if you speak english may 2008 it comes out in the in the media here uh he's 41 years old in the next year he's only 40 at this point he is in urgent need of a heart transplant they say really uh they say that uh toward the end of his career he's diagnosed as suffering from an arrhythmia and the disorder was treated with medication and it stopped his heart from skipping a beat and alleviated shortness of breath. Oh my God. All that sort of shit. For whatever reason,

his condition severely worsened lately, probably because he's been doing nothing but gaining weight and getting fat for four fucking years. He's doing no exercise. Yeah, all that cardio probably helped. And basically, only a couple people have been to see him.

Apparently he's in the hospital and Charles Oakley and Rick Mahorn are the only guys to go see him apparently he's in the hospital and charles oakley and rick mahorn are the only guys to go see him that is a formidable trio yeah it is those three are some tough motherfuckers not a don't if you see them in a nightclub back then do not approach yeah they will fuck you up you know still today don't see uh charles oakley in a nightclub because he's got a short fuse and he he's going to be an episode, too. I'm sure he's definitely on the list. So Coleman, he moved back to Detroit there.

He had invested some in Detroit. He invested money in businesses to try to revive his neighborhood, he said, all that sort of thing. Now, a few days later, it comes out with an update that his heart disorder has not deteriorated to the point where he needs a transplant. That was a false. It was missed story. I guess his wife Gina came out and said that quote, it's a possibility down the road, but for now doctors are trying to manage his condition.

It doesn't need a transplant, but he's got a problem. The plan is to implant a defibrillator and see if that works. Oh boy. Oh yeah. He's got all that shit going on here. Yeah, I guess he had the irregular heartbeat and all that. And he texted a friend of his and told him that he might need a transplant.

And that's when it got out of control. Telephone deal here. And his wife said, quote, Derek gets a little carried away at times. He told me the other day he's dying. I told him, don't think you're getting off that easy. So, you know, he's been a moron and he's very rich. But you don't think you're getting off that easy so you know he's been a moron and he's very rich but you don't want anybody to have heart problems at 41 that's fucking horrible and almost fucking croak or anything like that terrible imagine the the

shit his wife's put up with too imagine the the the fucking lipstick on the just all of the fucking god knows what the 90s basketball debauchery debauchery the goddamn everything that can calls from the police station at 2 15 3 o'clock in the morning here i mean jesus christ she's probably the the unsung fucking she's went through a lot in this and derrick with his heart asshole or not you kind of feel bad for him but not nearly as bad as you might feel oh the list is so long for derrick coleman corporate team building specialist and site manager at georgia team builders llc in atlanta derrick coleman professional boxer who had an oh and four record between the years 1990 and 1993 the worst athlete and terrible it was a super welterweight. Much skinnier. Derek Coleman, fluvial germophologist, senior project manager of a germ, some sort of medical

experimentation medicine thing here. Does important work. Derek Coleman, NFL running back for the Seahawks and Cardinals. He's deaf. A deaf NFL running back. I know that. Hasn't played for a while. Wrote a book called No Excuses, Growing Up Deaf and Achieving My Super Bowl Dreams.

That came out in 2015. You had to watch the quarterback's signals to tell him that it was time to go. Didn't the Broncos have a deaf linebacker? I feel that's true. In the late 80s, early 90s? Or was it a lineman? It was a linebacker, I want to say. It may have been a linebacker. I can't remember.

I thought it was a defender. It was definitely a defender. I feel like it was a lineman, and whoever was next to him tapped the guys on either side of him, tapped the side to tell him which side to go. It was a defender, though. Maybe. I thought it was a defender. Maybe.

I don't know. Either way, I don't remember. I'll Google it. Yeah, we'll Google it and find out. You don't need to. Don't tweet us. No. So anyway, there's that.

And then he ended up getting arrested also. David Coleman, the running back? David Coleman, the running back, for having a problem with a vehicular i feel like it was issue big misunderstanding big misunderstanding but it must have been okay because then he was playing with the cardinals like two years later so he didn't do anything that horrible i guess and also dr derrick coleman superintendent of river Rouge School District in Wayne County. Oh, I was hoping it was a heart doctor. No, no, no. Not at all.

Some heart surgery on Dr. Derek there. And then finally, Derek Coleman, Jr., not his son, but a boxer, a professional boxer who's an up and comer signed with Showtime boxes on TV. He's seven and oh with seven knockouts. Wow. Who is from Detroit and constantly called Derek Coleman's son.

Constantly. Every interview he does, they're like, so your dad's an NBA player. He's like, nope, not me. And either that or the interview is, how often do you get confused for Derek Coleman's son? And he goes, every goddamn person that talks to me asks how my dad's doing.

And I'm like like he's doing great matter of fact i feel like you asked for me to say that is or isn't my dad yeah that's the thing so it's but every interview with him because he's from detroit he's just about the right age so everyone's like oh that's his kid yeah he's boxing now nope he hates his dad yeah oh he's like you fucking thanks for naming me derrick and you just named me Paul. And Junior. You fucking jerk. Yeah. Not great here.

Now, October 2009, Derek Coleman is announced as the new commissioner of athletics for the school district in his hometown of Detroit. What? It's a weird job here. Yeah. He's a graduate of the school, obviously, Northern High. He said he's thrilled to be taking this position. Detroit Public Schools spokesman Steve Wasco told the Detroit Free Press that Coleman's contract isn't done, but he's scheduled to make $135,000 a year.

Wow. Not bad. It reports that Coleman, he's also got an MBA pension, too, and all that shit, so that's not bad. He's doing great. They report that Coleman is taking over for someone else who retired. Coleman, obviously, said his mentor is Dave Bing and all that sort of shit here. It's kind of fucked up, isn't it? What?

So he's there to make ninety one million dollars, leave the and then take one hundred thirty five grand a year from a school district from somebody that in Michigan. I could probably use the money. Somebody in the community for you like water or to pave your fucking roads as we brought up many times. Pave your fucking road. Honestly, Jesus Christ, the water could get to you easier. So the bottled water that's being trucked in is what I'm getting. So where has he been living now? He had purchased a home in Franklin Lakes, New Jersey after retirement.

But then he in 2010, he decided to move back to Detroit, moving back to Detroit. I assume probably a for that job and also because he's bankrupt. In April of 2010, he claims bankruptcy. Get the fuck out. Fucking bankruptcy. He claims in his filing that he's $4.7 million in debt. How do you do that? He listed about $1 million in assets. That's it? He has a what? um he listed about one million in assets that's it he

has a what a million in assets worth of shit from 91 million dollars how that's what i mean how do you not have more than a million dollars worth of shit left you'd think you'd have your house would be worth a million more than a million that you paid off already because you made 91 million dollars but no james that man spent $2 million a year then. Easy. He listed $1 million in assets that include a $50,000 Bentley, because it's old, five fur coats, and his $168,000 suburban home there north of the city in Michigan, plans to surrender other properties he owns. Basically, they go on his lifestyle.

He fucking pissed away shit loads of money on cars he bought tons of rolexes that was his thing he would buy two hundred thousand dollar rolexes at a time with diamonds all over him rapper watches he'd buy shit like that all the time yeah and then what leave it in a hotel room no you just buy more wow i don't know if he gave him away or what he did here he also had a restaurant called uh sweet georgia brown restaurant in downtown detroit and it closed because coleman was unable to pay the rent and he blamed the poor economy for that in 2010 the last couple years were bad in detroit you could buy a block in detroit for a thousand dollars a fucking city block like it was bad there were houses for sale for literally like $900.

I saw one that were a dollar. You just had to pay the fee of the transfer thing, which was like $500. It was like $501. You could buy like a 5,000 square foot house in Detroit. I mean, it's a piece of shit that's falling down, but still, christ almighty uh so also the detroit economic growth corp sued derrick coleman after claiming he defaulted on a 200 000 loan on another business venture as well so he is in deep shit with the money they're not doing well 91 million dollars for a smart man how is he so god i don't know i don't know i can't imagine it watch that espn that broke 30 for 30 and 90 million dollars 90 million

like you can piss away 90 million i can't i don't know how i don't know how either i don't know how you just wouldn't keep 10 just to be like i'm gonna put that oh my god even if i go crazy and put 80 million dollars in a stripper's fucking g-string i have i'll just take that as my like nest egg that i know i'll never touch and i can just live off that i'm so something oh i'm a cheap there's no way i could piss away i couldn't spend 90 million dollars in my lifetime it'd be hard because somebody would be like you have 90 million dollars you can easily pay two million dollars for this house and i'd be like are you on your fucking mind that's all i would spend money on is i'd buy one of these 20 million dollar fucking

compounds somewhere that you can't get into and shit and that would be it i would never spend it i wouldn't spend anything else i wouldn't spend shit on anything else but i i see that as like a as an item but then i see that's something also then you can sell along with it then you can sell that too that's an asset so it's different than just 20 million dollars pissing it away at nightclubs on it and the maintenance on it is insanity it's wild i could buy another house for that that i could just whatever live in that but for 90 million you could easily afford that if you're not buying rolexes and pissing away god knows how much at nightclubs and shit because i mean he's going out every night it's bad i couldn't do it no i would never i would never know how to do it

2011 complex.com he's on the list of 20 fattest NBA players in history. It's all going so bad. At number 19. I'm broke and fat. Broke, fat. Oh, by the way, 2012 Sports Illustrated list of top NBA draft busts lists him at number 17. No! At least the top 25 fattest people now. Top 20 fattest, top 20 least effective drafted in your position.

And your heart sucks and you're broke. So enjoy. And I'm worthless. I'm worth shit. Talk about an inverted. And I'm an awful list. Yeah. His life was so good for about 25 years there.

And then it really took a left turn hard. August of 2014, his son announces that he's going to play football at wayne state so his son derrick jr here uh he's the actual derrick jr not the boxer derrick jr he wanted to give up basketball so he could focus on football he was playing both he says this is derrick jr growing up basketball was always something i thought i would do it was because of my pops and all his success. Something like that. Slow down, Jr.

Slow your roll, chief. I was around basketball from day one. My dad used to carry a ball with him everywhere. My grandma used to yell at him for dribbling in the house. I didn't have that same passion. He was just practicing. He didn't have passion either. Coach called me to his office, and I told him, yeah, coach, I don't want to play. He want to play he was like are you serious i said yeah i'm not happy at all i was miserable i hated

it so he hated it um yeah they uh he said that uh he had to tell his dad about it too he said hey dad i'm gonna play football and i said he played derrick said quote he plays basketball but he loves football i told him i supported his decision no matter what. He is 6'4", 215 pounds at the time. But Derek says of his son, quote, he's still growing. You know college will add some size to him. Yeah, I would think so. Some pounds probably, too. So, yeah, they talk about him.

I guess Coleman Jr. had gone to Detroit Country Day School, which is where Chris Weber went. It's a big prep school for sports and shit like that also uh shane battier went there as well before he went to duke here and uh so uh derrick oh i'm sorry wayne state coach paul winters says quote recently derrick has focused his attention on being an outstanding football player and has really improved. Derek is a big athletic defensive line prospect. He will add athletic ability and size to the defensive end position. So good for him. 2015, Derek Sr., ball player Derek here, receives his degree from Syracuse, finally.

12 credits short in 1989. And he has student loans. 2015. Okay. 12 credits short in 1989. And he has student loans. 2015. So he receives a sociology degree 25 years after his class graduated without him. What's he going to use it for?

That's what I'm saying. Well, he uses it for this. I don't know. He doesn't need a degree for this. But in March of 2016, he's delivering water door-to-door in Flint during the water crisis. Not as a job. No, no. I saw the look on your face. You're like, oh, my God. He's like the door to door in Flint during the water crisis. Not as a job. As a check.

I saw a look on your face like, oh, my God. He's like the sparklets. He's the fucking sparklets guy. So, yeah, he drives 65 miles to Flint to knock on doors with bottle cases of water in his hand. He says that a lot of people recognize him. And they're like, what the fuck? First of all, you see a guy who's 6'10", three bills at your door with water. You're like, who the fuck first of all you see a guy who's 6'10 three bills at your door with water you're like who the fuck are you right and if you recognize him he says quote it's a

shock for some people to see a six foot ten guy standing there i tell them they say hey man you look like derrick coleman i tell them yeah i get that a lot and then they thank me and i move on i love that that's fucking funny he says about now he's talking about detroit and flint especially quote i'm seeing distress, quote, I'm seeing distress. That's what I'm seeing, distress. I'm seeing the people who need help. I'm seeing the rust and everything that's in their water. Flint is like a ghost town and it's sad.

It's 2016. How can this happen in America here in the greatest country in the world? But it's gotten bigger than just water. You need supplies. You need plastic knives and plastic forks and plastic cups. You need sanitation people that can wash their hands you need sanitation so that people can wash their hands and what about the person who doesn't have transportation to get to the water centers what about senior citizens stuck in their houses okay and then there's the water people are only getting two cases of water a day well if i got a family of five how's that going

to last and you're not telling me how i'm taking a shower or a bath yeah they're using that to bathe for everything that's all your water and then there are all the businesses that are shutting down nobody's driving by flint and saying hey let's pull over and get something to eat so there are major issues there are huge huge huge problems and they're not going away anytime soon fair Fair enough. He's correct. Yeah. Not bad. 2019, he starts up a program. Yeah. It collaborates with Focus, Focus Hope, which is a Detroit nonprofit group.

It's a sports camp at Adam Butzel Complex. Nearly 150 children learn basketball skills and they have programs that include art, math, and technology. And he says, like, it's not just basketball. I want the kids to be well-rounded so they know other things besides basketball. You know, he might have thought a little bit. Hasn't been arrested in a long time either. Derek might have come around.

Maybe the heart problems, something might have. Losing $90 million? Bankruptcy and a heart problem will humble the fuck out of you. And it feels like he got humbled is what it feels like to me, honestly. If I'm being honest. He's an asshole you and it feels like he got humbled is what it feels like to me honestly if i'm being honest he's an asshole but it feels like he got humbled sounds like he's realizing how fucking hard it is to earn a dollar if you're not just gifted it exactly i might you might appreciate life a little more here can't get enough of derrick boy oh boy well follow him on twitter he's not verified and this is definitely him because other nba players are tagging him. The legend fucking blah, blah, blah.

His at is at 44. The legend is his at not verified, has 19.6 thousand followers. I have more followers than him and I'm verified. And he doesn't. That's crazy. Yeah. And he follows way more people than me, too. It's fucking weird. So I don't know why that is.

Verify Derek Coleman. Either way, he exists. He's a person that exists. I don't know. It might be because there's Coleman. Either way, he exists. He's a person that exists. I don't know. It might be because there's so many Derek Coleman's, the boxer and this and that might be the issue. But well, that's a reason to get verified if there's so many. So I guess it tells you who, which one you are.

I don't know, man. Not the rapist. Not the rapist. So athletespeakers.com as well. You can rent Derek Coleman yourself if he'll come and speak for you he's available for corporate appearances speaking engagements meet and greets and endorsements travels from atlanta georgia so you're gonna have to get him there fee range five to ten grand that's for him to come talk to you what five to ten grand derrick you're broke

to get a a broke man with heart problems to come talk to you why don't you lower that fee i don't know he will bring two cases of water with him too that's included one on each shoulder that's derek cullman everybody there he is uh 90s kind of a mainstay of the 90s he's there from 90 to 2005 so he's all through the 90s i hope you enjoyed that i know i know you didn't want that to happen oh derrick derrick derrick derrick you sad motherfucker well you guys or derrick whoever if you like the show maybe derrick loved it maybe he'll love it well you know what he can do and you can do it too you can be just like derrick coleman and get on apple podcast that purple icon give us five stars the reviews really help we don't know why but they do drive you up the charts which

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It's a W, not even an R. Jeff Watson, Joe Augustine, Elizabeth Gallego, Amanda Lamb, Tara Davis, Jessica Martin, Denali Hyatt, Michelle Findling, Nicole Benson, Jennifer Rivas, Travis Rodeo-Belleia, Monique Trejo, and Grace Robichaux. Thank you all so much for what you guys do. We can't do it without you. Other producers this week are Purple Pandas Creations, and Jesse in Nashville had a daughter. Congrats, Jesse. And his wife is going to have a C-section this week.

Oh, shit. Well, congratulations. Terrifying, and congratulations. Good work. section this week oh shit well congratulations terrifying and congratulations good work santiago quinones brendan ables nathan dixon uh liz vasquez connor cadis i think uh nija naya uh bunny i don't know uh peyton meadows ryan coffee day uh don davis james martyr daniel carry mahmoud abdul jabir jabar jabber it's not Jabber, right? It's Jabber? Jabbar?

It's an E. Jabber? Alexander Schonk? Alexandria Schonk? Hey. DJ with no last name. Dakota Harrington? Garrig Rock?

Jenny Bukowski? Sarah McFall? KJ Quintanilla? I think? Nia? Connor Sundstrom? Sudstrom? Shit.

John DeLong? Diane E? What is that? Taylor? It's what it is. Nia, Connor Sundstrom, John DeLong, Diane Taylor, Autumn with no last name, Laura Reinhart, Sonny Johansson, Kathleen Logan, Daniel Bocher, Deborah Finney and her weirdo's birthday is this week. She didn't give his name, but apparently he's fantastic. Hey, fantastic man. Happy birthday. Or it's a friend. What's a friend what's a

gaeta uh a gaeta is that a girlfriend is that a mom a grandmother really a puerto rican woman i have no idea it could be a relative i don't know it's a weirdo that's all i know okay uh happy birthday to the most beautiful melanie martin so if there are other melanie martins you're ugly yeah there's only one that's beautiful it's that one everyone else line up cynthia cruz aaron meadows brandon magg dustin brennan kelly michael janice hill jesse pitts that's the one having a baby uh mark egan ben weaver aaron with no last name chad haas iron tree craftworks uh cater catersina neid zilka zilka no jacqueline with no last name heather bro uh marina uh radford amber dean margaret lubert amanda dixon mindy samples uh kent 1988 not the other ones james jordan uh jeremy phillips elise finn fast knocked david sukle uh hayley roberson christian and bailey Elise Fasnacht, David Sukal, Haley Roberson, Christian and Bailey, Rachel Erbelis, AJ with no last name, Julia Schuster, Povilis Bakavis, nope, Andrew Richardson, Ty Lynch, Jeremy Marco, Lindsay Shaheen, Nathan Little, Amanda Knight or Mandy Knight, Jessica Cordva, Cordova, Ari McCormick, Kelly Redmond, Tabitha Taylor, Thomas Smith, Ashley Vio, Jean Edwards, Mitzi Lutke, John Abel, Carly Mann, Beth Gold, Jonathan Wilder, Danny Sawyer.

I'm getting terrible at this. Brandon would know the last name.lly mccann mccoy i don't know what i wrote i apologize robert ward deb finley finney oh that's i said that uh blake farnsworth uh stacy mcgillen matt steffel uh and his and happy anniversary to his wonderful wife he didn't give her, so she's not that wonderful, apparently. Get on the fucking ball, Matt. Wonderful lady. Happy anniversary. You and the nameless birthday man

should really have a commiseration session. And my husband will love it if you tell him happy birthday. That's all the information I get. We don't know. We don't know. I don't know you. We'd love to, but we don't.

I'd love to. Charlotte with no last name. Katie Ball melanie dyche i think dish elliot bressler uh paul abby kenneth hensley misty d ellis uh very specific tracy meek shoots uh joanne no jonna jonna runesvall no uh airy would no last ere era era era era era whoa i don't know that's a stroke that's just that's how the uh the kennedys say uh era uh uh yeah era i've made an era right uh elise w uh lauren is proud of your boldness and your spirit so you've got a great friend apparently hey congratulations sarah sarah hamill uh jose vasquez patricia herb uh zane sawyer emily erickson diane taylor mercy shuk melissa burnett shayla shayla west john no joan kossovot kosanovic shit matt farmer nicole with no last name henry ruff uh Brian Riddle, Colton Haney, Jason with no last name, Nathan Martin, Jared Young, Lynn Litton, Robert Ward, Jesse Dull, Jesse James, Chris James, Heidi Warren, Karen Deckard,emeka has big tits, says her husband. I don't know.

Congratulations to Shemeka for her large breasts. Feels awkward, but your husband digs them, so good for you. Terrific. Rebecca Warren, Dylan Warner, Catherine Thompson, Cody Ketterling, Jared Schoonover, Amy Marie, Mike Rooney, Patrick O'Donnell montana with no last name amber with no last name backlog frog stephanie fry anna's the singer uh bethany tolema tolema kelly luton lutton tommy pounds he's a pornographer obviously tommy pounds he gets it he does it he does the thing brian sylvia adrian adreno, Brandon True or Tro, Marianne McCullough, Sharon Corris,

Alice, what is this, St. Quentin, Nabad Bill Kateria, probably not, Sharon Schmidt, Mikey Williams, Ann Kincaid, Katie Ann Gall, Selena Carr, Sean with no last name, Jacqueline Melchiori, I think, Lolita Burks, Kelly Gray, Nicole Almagadis, nope, John Sheehan, Corey Gaines, Connor with no last name, Ariel Evans, Laura Huesler, Blake Pugh, Mindy Myers, Madison Gwynn, Sameh Bayou, I think, Anushka. Yeah. That's a first name. Josh Guido, Brian Dixon, Tracy Hunt, Ben West,

Westbrook, what is that, Wheatbrook, Amber Lane, Alexandria Cataldo, Andrew Williams, Hannah Scott, R-E-L with no last name, Susan Miller, Ashley Dlugakowski. It's another stroke, everyone. Dlugakowski. It's another stroke, everyone. Dlugakowski. Two in one. Wow.

I don't know what it is. Stephen L. You're doing medical care here. Stephen L. Oscar Park. Is that Oscar? Yeah. Krister Kreister. Laurel Downs.

Samantha Malone. Greg. His buddies called him. Hey, what's up? It's the Kreister. It's the Kreistmeister. What's up, sus? What's happening?

Greg Lynn. Robert Allen. Blue Taylor. Sean Mosley. Corey Thompson. Ashley Arnold. the christ it's the christ my stuff what's happening greg lynn robert allen blue taylor sean mosley cory thompson ashley arnold kara samuels will with no last name james gomez amy carberry uh brianna hoffer and marie pinto bryce law i think cray with no last name uh matt atkin matthew atkinson emily with no last name andrew Mayhew, Jesus, Logan West, Tamsin Hunter, Max Leduc, Alan Swack, Brittany McKinney, Sean Dane, Joe Ross, Ben Mutz, Colleen Trioli, Kristen Starnes, Clay O'Daniel, Andrea Michelle Jones, Mike Clark, Renee Gilligan, Spencer Kappelman, Ian Boydson, Maxine Siss, Melanie Lewis, Hunter with no last name, Connor Jack, Nicole Bergeron, Ross Hetherington, Katie Sinclair, Sam Zimmerman, Shannon Emmons, Megan and Robert Young. It's also his birthday. Happy birthday, Robert. David Haynes, Victoria Hall, Elizabeth and Rocky Marks, Ian Mack, Alana Clark, Ezekiel Newey.

I don't know. I'm sorry. Taylor Moore, Tabitha McCleary-Beyer, James with no last name, Brandi Wenham, Media Maven, Chris Rayburn, Emma with no last name, Scott Hollingsworth, Biz with no last name, Rachel Sacky, Saxxy, Sax? I don't know. That's a handwriting issue. I'm doing my best. Brendan Williams, Francisco Medrano, Lauren Flores, Jake Lanham, Audrey LaFave, Matt and Nicole Byer, Adam Bloomy, I think. Jackson would know last name. Timo Timimim.

What? Michael Critch. Amy Nelson. Andrew would know last name. Yasmin O. Samuel Charles Lowry. Daniel Polis. Lisa Palmer.

Sammy Wagner. What is this? Adonica Jordan, Rachel Mitchell, McCall with no last name, or that is the last name, Andrea Samples, Preston Parman, Amanda, no, that's Almond, Almond Butter, Andrea Samples, Amber Strange, Cheyenne Arena Markham, Christy Collins, Justin Van Cleve, Steve Smith, Tiffany Stevens, Danny McGuire, Parker Green, Vanessa Slagle, Christopher Pease, Karen Hayachi, Trevor Hailstones, Rare Breed Exotics, I imagine Lions and Tigers and shit. I'm embarrassed. Nicole Ray, Juan with no last name, Jayla Calhoun, I imagine that's Paul's daughter, Dawn McClure, Dana Moser, Oz Bone, Jamie Smith, Dan, what is that, Worth, Angelia, and happy birthday, Sarah. Barbara Tanner with no last name, Cassie Steinel, Caleb Stewart, Jesse Dodson, God damn it Stacy T. Jen Router and Ryan Petzler. You guys are amazing. Thank you so much. I can't believe it.

Thank you everybody so much. So so much. Jimmy's mind is blown by the amount of money that Derek Coleman made in endorsements I'm sure on top of his salary. It's so much money. It's so much money. He made 90 but then he was a big time shoe pusher and everything else. Herick made 100 million dollars he definitely made over 100 million dollars and does not have any of it left which is very very sad wonder if he wears bks still probably by the

way they were re-released the diamond cell ones remember they had like the diamond thing in the middle on the bottom right they were re-releasing them sometime in the last like seven years the derrick coleman's does he get more money for that yeah yeah he does i'm sure because it's uh all the old shoes are being re-released from the 90s yeah we won't buy them now yeah i have jordan's i have barkley's i have them all so my kids saw my son's friend saw my pennies and goes what are those and like the jordan thing yeah some they tried to fucking shame me for my Anthony Hardaway. I was like, how dare you? What is he talking about?

What's wrong with those? He says they're ugly. You're ugly. They are, but they're fine. How dare you? You're ugly, you little shit. Don't come over my house. Chris Rock loved these.

You're not welcome anymore. God damn it. He can't slim in this pool. No. What if somebody wanted to compliment your shoes? How could they do that, Jimmy? How could they get ahold of you? I'm at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S- wisman sucks whisman sucks on twitter and instagram thank you guys for everything this

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70s boxer with a giant afro who did some bonkers shit. I got a lot of crazy shit coming up for you guys. So we are going to rock your shit coming up every single week. Keep coming back and seeing us live from the Crime and Sports Studios. We will see you next week. Bye.

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