Crime in Sports - #222 - Pele Never Did That - The Promisingness of Robinho

Episode Date: August 25, 2020

This week, we check on a man who was supposed to be the greatest player, ever in his sport. He was even told that by the actual greatest player to ever play his sport. The possibilities were endless, but life in Brazil was hard, considering the kidnapping of his mother, by a man they call "Brazilian Bin Laden". None of that seemed to give him any respect for women, though, judging by what he why he was convicted. But will he ever serve his time?? Be told by Pele that you're going to be better than Pele, get your mother back from terrorist kidnappers, and do some absolutely disgusting things in a nightclub, causing you to fear extradition to Italy with Robinho!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks so much for joining us on another wonderful, wonderful edition of Crime and Sports. We're excited this week, as always. The last few weeks have been fun. We had Oscar Pistorius. We had Derek Coleman. We've had some interesting stuff. We're going to go out of the country again this week. Back to the southern hemisphere, but on a different continent. We're going to go out of the country again this week. Back to the southern hemisphere, but on a different continent.

We're going to South America this week. It's a South American soccer player, which we've had good luck with those in the past as far as crazy-ass episodes go. See Bruno Fernandez there, and you will understand that. Is he back in jail? I think he is. I think he is, yeah. I think they keep bringing him back.

He keeps getting out and getting put back in in for some reason i don't know what the hell they're doing with that bring him out they're like are you guys ready for him yeah and then everybody's like boo yeah oh yeah you're right not yet not yet but he's good you guys i swear he's a good goalie by the time it gets by him by the time they bring him back and everybody's okay with it he's gonna be past his prime oh he's, he's got to be pushing it now at this point. Like this guy we're going to talk about today. But before we get to that, very quickly, hope you have been enjoying the shows. If so, I hope you went on Apple Podcasts, that purple icon, and reviewed the show because that helps a lot.

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Because the rest of it's hilarious. Is that real? It's real, I swear to God. Him and John Candy are a great comedic duo. And then he turns into a fish. Luckily, it's right at the end of the movie. So it's not like, oh, he's a fucking fish now. That's why we don't know.

Credits for playing as he's a fish. It's fine. So it works out. Sneak this past you with the Key Grip's name. That's it. Smiling, looking at coral and shit. It's super weird. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Why don't I remember that? Healthy coral on the bottom of the Hudson. Nope. Nope. Those are shits to lag my. No Lucchese family members fucking sprinkling the place. No corpses. No guns or crowbars or anything?

Nothing. Just, it's beautiful down there. Tropical fish. It's crazy. You gotta see it. It's wild. It's fucking amazing. It's beautiful. He see it it's wild it's fucking amazing it's beautiful he loved it what so listen to that because i got a lot more to say about that shit as you might imagine there

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Robson de Souza. Okay. No relation. No, everybody's de Souza. I don't know. Not everybody, but it's a, they don't even use the de Souza part. It's weird. Yeah.

Like Bruno Fernandes. They just call him Bruno Fernandes. Like the de Souza is like an extra. I don't get it. So Robson de Souza. It doesn't matter because no one calls him that anyway. They all call him by his nickname, which is a common nickname. I don't know what it means, but it seems to be common, as we'll find out.

Robinho. Oh, close enough. Robinho, which is Robin Ho is how it's spelled. R-I-B-R-O-B-I-N-H-O. Robin Ho. Robinho. So we got Rubinho here he's a

pretty famous soccer player he was supposed to be the next Pele really that was his big even Pele said he's the next Pele

okay so it was a big deal and then we'll find out what happened to him because it didn't quite work out okay that's why he's here yeah

obviously you heard the Pele episode no no you know why didn't fucking do one because it worked out great for him that's why he's the most famous soccer player ever everyone knows who he is people kids now know who pele was like pele didn't play when i was a kid and i knew

who the fuck he was and i didn't know shit about soccer or anything like that and anytime anybody kicked a ball there was look at pele yeah was just, that's who it was. The only soccer player anyone ever knew. So here he is, everybody. And then that sexy guy with the tattoos that married the old Spice Girl. Yeah, him now. He's the other guy. That's it. David Beckham.

That's him. Yeah, yeah. He actually, Rubino says he's a great guy. Yeah. Love David Beckham. Really? Said he was the most down-to-earth person he's ever played with. I'm sure.

Which is what you say about the most famous person you've ever played with. He's just the most down-to-earth person he's ever played with i'm sure which is what you say about the most famous person you've ever played with he's just the most down-to-earth yeah i love that when people try to talk about how humble that guy is like whenever somebody like knew knows a celebrity or like you know met a big celebrity they always have to talk about they're just such a regular person like what do you expect what do you expect them to do fucking yeah gold bullion slap you in the face and throw fucking two c notes at you as you fucking ride on the floor and call you a peasant and walk away of course they were like nice to meet you chronic masturbator it's weird little conversation it was strange chugs it it was odd because we were at a benefit for children so it was very strange not a not a place you'd get right out of the tux yeah

unzip the tux pants and there it comes he was gonna fix a crack in a cast i don't know he was staring at this ice sculpture i think he's in a weird shit let's just say that nobody ever says that looking at it hard just jerking it it's always the nicest guy i ever met no nicest guy ever met this has got a stroke like nobody's business you can see it's beautiful long and true i met charlie murphy meanest man i've ever met uh sweetheart to me yeah fucking hates all kinds of people he was willing to tell you about it oh yeah a lot of people like that yeah because that's who i like that's exactly right yeah well that's why you're sitting here next to me i think you just kind of described me that's fucking funny so except i'm not eddie murphy's brother unfortunately for me so uh date of birth here on rubino is january 25th

1984 so still uh he's still out there still reasonably young only 36 years old he's born in salvo salvo sente brazil now this is a little history of that here. It's named after the patron saint of Lisbon, Portugal, because the Portuguese came here. And this was about 355,000 people here, so it's a decent settlement near the water. It was the first permanent Portuguese settlement in South America. Really?

So, yeah. It's weird, because you'll hear Brazilian people, and you're like, well, that's not Spanish. Yeah. Like, that's Portuguese. And you're like, what the fuck? Why? Isn't Portugal over there? Right.

When I was a kid, I thought, just, you know, little kid, I always thought Portugal was in South America because they speak Portuguese all over South America. But turns out it's just a tiny little fucking country attached to Spainain that somehow an entire continent fucking speaks their language basically it's crazy shit yeah very weird and that's from portugal explorers well yeah that's they you know they're a colony basically they're colonizers here so they were the first there and uh they established things here and this is you know where sao paulo is as well kind of near there so it was established as a village in 1532 so by martim afonso de sausa so everybody is fucking de sausa and uh yeah that was on a port known as porto de escravos yeah that sounds nice doesn't it

beautiful well it's called it's a translates to port of slaves so not exactly as beautiful as it sounds that doesn't sound like fish tacos anymore let's keep that in portuguese yeah it sounds like i'll have the porto dos escravos please yeah the the plate no but with the beans and everything i want it all the combo put the platter and one of those mexican cokes yeah i don't have a bottle opener so pop it it for me. Yeah, definitely. Oh, shit. Port of Slate. I'm going to change my order. I'll have the number four. Got anything that doesn't sound as beautiful? Just a fish taco, maybe. Something that's got a simple name.

You got anything called an Enchirito? Is that something? Right up my alley. I don't think anybody... There's no blood on an Enchirito, I doubt. No blood attached to that name. There's a Band-Aid in it. There's something an encherito you expect that to be expected right but you don't have to think about the fact that it's not you know the worst thing in fucking world history yeah

looking down at it whatever you're reading can i have the mistreatment of people please please can i have the uh i have the genocide of an entire populace is that a option there no the platter the platter still the platter i still want the rice yeah fucking jesus christ no i don't want the porto escarvazos anymore but i will have the rice with the yeah the other pl, please. This is fucking terrible. I love it. No, well, I'm not trivializing that. It's just it sounded so nice. And I'm like, if I say this, Jimmy's going to go, that sounds beautiful. And then I'm going to tell him what it is.

He's going to feel terrible about it. I'll have a Modelo with that. Yeah, and a Modelo. And your face was exactly what I thought it was. You went, oh, well, all the joy drained from your face. You're like, oh was you went oh well like you drank your all the joy drained from your face you're like oh well that's not happy that's terrible english is so much uglier oh that sounds terrible like that shit damn it so uh this was operated by three portuguese colonists who trafficked in slaves captured by allied tribes they pay people to you know around jesus christ so uh yeah it's titled uh

the sao vincent uh vicente is titled cellula well jesus christ cellula mater which is mother cell apparently of brazil for being the first organized town in the country so it's kind of where you know kind of just i guess uh modern civilized towns kind of started there. Yeah. 1532, they had a city council, which was the first in all of the Americas, north and south, to have a democratically elected council there. So that's interesting. Anyway, a battle took place here in 18 and 1583. I know that this is weird to do with history here but this shit's

kind of interesting honestly uh three english warships attempting to trade with the portuguese uh were attacked by three spanish galleons which sounds like it must have been fucking awesome to watch there so they had a big ship battle sword slapping iron cannons and shit yosemite sam is blowing up his own powder room that's what he did all the time right yeah so uh yeah the spanish ships were repelled and uh they one of their galleons was sunk so yeah pretty interesting shit so anyway his mom uh robinho's mom here um the de souza family on his mother's side here is descended from slaves actually in this you know region and uh she her mother actually this is fucking crazy and i can't believe this happened at this point in time

his mother is uh i think in her she's what late 50s right now so i mean she's born not in the she's born in the 60s she's not this isn't she's not from like 1845 um her mother his mother marina de souza was sold her family sold her yeah uh as a laborer oh boy yeah you just sell your children in like the 70s or 80s then in like when she was 12 oh we're talking like 1980 someone was like let's sell fucking marina right wow that's crazy shit so they she was sold at 12 years old um because they to to work for a family in sao paulo when she was 12 to be like a domestic hand i think her name is marina de sausa de marina de sausa yes beautiful name it is sounds like a suburb of la it sounds beautiful doesn't it does it really does a really rich area of la

marina de sausa i wish we could afford to live in marina de sausa with all the doesn't it? It does. It really does. It's one of the really rich areas of L.A. Ah, Marina de Sousa. Hmm. I wish we could afford to live in Marina de Sousa with all the shit. Ah, man. Well, O.J. had to move out of Brentwood. He considered Marina de Sousa as an option, but he didn't do it. Sounds beautiful. Yeah. That was where the Manson family was going to strike next, was down in Marina de Sousa.

They couldn't find anybody with any money. Yeah, that's all it was. So, 12, fucking 12, sold as domestic help, and she'll be a maid forever. That becomes her profession, because, I mean, I guess you're learning it when you're 12. She's probably really fucking good at it. Yeah, I bet, but that's wild. I mean, she's, I don't know a lot of people's mothers who were sold when they were 12, like people who are 36 years old right now, and they're like, yeah yeah my mom was sold when she was 12 pardon yeah where what fucking where the fuck did that happen so uh there was so much poverty there uh yeah that she was uh the family

was thousands of miles south by the way in sao paulo all the way down to sao paulo they sold her so it wasn't even like they sold her to like you know the next town right they could see her they were like bye my fuck clean well yeah and that was that fucking insanity uh so she works as a maid while robinho's a kid as well continues to work as a maid there uh his dad uh gilvan is a salesman at the time so uh they're really poor growing up uh we're being you know grows up in a very poor area and uh just he's super poor everybody's poor a lot like the bruno fernandez de sousa story where we're talking about and it was you know favela times right and uh that's right remember i'm from the favela bitch i don't play that shit or whatever the fuck he said that yeah wow yeah that's uh wow that's that's kind of what

we have going on here yeah except bruno was kind of a he was a like an angrier meaner guy this motherfucker's the happiest cat ever really even while shit's going bad for him big smile happy quotes he's just mr happy this guy which is so strange he doesn't realize how bad it is i don't know i think everybody if everyone else has it that bad maybe you doesn't realize how bad it is i don't know i think everybody if everyone else has it that bad maybe you don't realize that it's that bad possible i mean i don't know i'm not sure here but they he was started out playing you know soccer in the streets and uh apparently he was kind of the the best by immediately the best kid in the neighborhood at it yeah he's a tiny little fucker too he's like five seven really um you know all full grown and shit and he's tiny he's a thin little guy so he was very

quick as a kid obviously too if he's a smaller kid there and his mom got out of the slave trade when he was born or was she still in no no she wasn't it wasn't the slave trade it was she was sold to be a worker i'm sure for a certain amount of years or i don't know what the how that works exactly curious about that and from what i read too and i don't know how true this is but i from what i read poor families very poor families in brazil at that time would kind of quote sell their kids and it was oh it was a uh they considered it like a favor to the kid because they were going to a nice place even if they had to be a maid at least they're not living in the favela you know what i mean and that i don't know i don't

know how true people actually thought that was or if that was just the rationalization for selling children i'm not sure how that worked exactly but that that was kind of a that's a shitty justification that's what i'm saying yeah it doesn't feel right exactly i mean if you were giving the kid to be adopted into a better life like that's a different story but if you're like you're gonna go you have to go you know be cinderella that's another fucking issue i think so um at six years old robinho was signed to a local football academy awesome play soccer um his team won the championship in the first year i don't know little tiny children running around i imagine it's in you know the world cup yeah it's not they're fucking so tiny

the ball's bigger than their head yeah they're bigger than their torso they look ridiculous kicking it so uh he ended up playing this game called uh when he was later on at age eight. He played futsal, it's called, futsal. It's like a smaller court. It's kind of like soccer, except the ball's different. It's a weird ball. It's a different type of thing. The rules are different than soccer, but it's still soccer. It's still a soccer ball.

the the rules are different than soccer but it's still soccer it's still a soccer ball and you're you have to long or something it's almost like arena football compared to nfl football it's a smaller more condensed indoor thing but like the the surface is weird too it's like slick it's a not slick but it's hard to explain i don't know what the fuck it is man i honestly don't it's very strange but he was amazingly good at it and got all these skill dribbling skills with the ball, you know, kicking it around and shit. And he scored 73 goals in one season doing that, which was like way, way more than anybody else. Yeah.

So he'll later say, too, that like he he likes that the most. He'd rather play that than anything. Like if he could play that instead of soccer and make money, he would like that's what he wanted to do. He said that he gave that game all the credit for developing his dribbling and his acceleration skills in soccer. He says, quote, I used to spend a lot of time playing. It's one of my passions. I even joked with my son and told him that if it's possible, I would play futsal in the last year of my career.

It's how I started. And to this day, the dribbles I do all come from it. So that gives him a good base for shit here. At 12, he used to have to try to get to the junior team that he played for because he didn't have bus fare. So he was too poor to afford bus fare to get there. So he would have to hitchhike rides or scrounge up money for the bus to get all the way over to play this game he would have to pitch hike rides or you know scrounge up scrounge up money for the bus to get all the way over to play this game yeah to play soccer so uh at 15 he's kind of people started to talk about him and this kid over here oh man this kid's really good and

people started paying attention and uh he is he's also uh he starts playing the junior team for Santos, which is the Santos Football Club, which is where Pele played down there. So Pele ends up seeing him and taking a liking to him. Yeah. And so that helps him out a lot because Pele starts touting him, which is like, you know, if fucking if the king is saying that this year, great. Then your people are going to look at you out of respect for him utters a word about a kid down in florida there'll be scouts down there having a gander and lebron james isn't even a proper comparison like there is no i don't know i don't even know biggest name in the nba right now right right now but i'm saying

pele hasn't played in 50 years he's still the biggest goddamn name in soccer so it's you know he'd be like the babe ruth said, this kid can hit okay. I don't know, somebody like that. Vince Lombardi was like, yeah, he's all right. People might give you a look, a second look. His mom once said that, quote, my hope is for Rubino to make it in soccer and take us out of all of this. So the whole family has their hopes pinned on him and his

his athletic prowess it's the only hope they have man it's the only hope they have though that's literally that's his pressure that's it they're like score goals yeah you know this really sucks 15 he wakes up every day he goes my entire family needs me his mom's like go ahead and score a goal did i tell you i was sold when I was 12? So the pressure to score goals really isn't as bad. I got to be honest with you. Try being sold. Would you like me to sell you instead?

But right now, you're a valuable stock. I'm going to hold on to you for a while here. So yeah, he plays for Santos there from 96. Kind of the junior club, as we always see. They sign the kids up real fucking early because he's you know like young child at that point it's the equivalent of being sold in it kind of i guess but in soccer and hockey they grab kids when they're 15 and tennis they'll do it it's strange man so 1999 comes around and uh at this point this is when pele publicly pronounces that he's the heir apparent

wow so this is like that's you want to talk about pressure yeah fuck you know let's get the whole family out of the thing on the court on the field now everyone's like oh that's the kid pele says the next him let's take a look at him imagine how much pressure that would be and then his mom's like you better perform yeah he's right fucker out there. So he's really quick. He's really good with the ball. I saw these highlights. He's really good dribbling the ball around and all that sort of shit. He's the equivalent of a point guard that can fucking dribble and cross people over.

He's like Allen Iverson, basically. That's what he reminds me of with a soccer ball. Good at attacking. He's Allen Iverson of soccer, kind of. He's aggressive like that. Very aggressive. He plays all over the field, too. Different positionson of soccer kind of aggressive like very aggressive he plays all over the field to different positions he's kind of a floater he's like the way lawrence taylor played defense all right type of thing like they'll stick him on the end maybe i'll go

on the other end now if i if i'm going to take a shot over there just to whatever uh uses all sorts of shit a lot of uh you know a lot of fake outs and that sort of thing he's fun to watch do his thing i gotta say that um a very quick feat and that sort of shit uh so people did see him and go wow yeah he could be fucking pele i guess right and so he they said he's one of the most exciting players ever and uh yeah but everybody around i guess there's a in brazil it's basically anybody who's good when they're coming up he's the next pele like everyone the next michael jordan who's the next jordan lebron's the next jordan this one's the next jordan it's the same shit with that with that yeah everybody's the next pele so that gets old after a while yeah especially with how many soccer teams are and how many players they're filled with

every single kid down there's playing and they're all yeah fuck up with pele exactly so the media would always tout these people as an ex pele and everybody to roll their eyes and they're all yeah fuck up with Pele exactly so the media would always tout these people as an ex-Pele and everybody to roll their eyes and they're like yeah right and then in this case though now Pele came out in the in the media and said no no he is the next Pele I think so so then it was like oh Pele thinks so Pele thinks so so he said that he thought that Robinho could surpass him on a footballing stage even which is really a lot too much pressure i don't think jordan ever said that to give a person that's a lot of pressure no that's a lot of pressure to give a person that's like uh you know when they fucking gave

uh mickey mannell the number the number six and they were like yeah you're the next joe dimaggio literally because dimaggio is five they gave him six and said you're the next joe d right in the middle lost his fucking mind with the pressure and changed his number to seven the next year didn't have anyone no fucking part of it he was like i can't do it i just gotta be me gotta be me so uh yeah pele said quote youngsters like rabino cannot leave brazil this generation has everything to shine at the next world cup so he's trying to convince. A lot of times the money's not as big down there. So if you are an international star, if you're really good,

they pluck you and take you to Europe where they'll sign you to a $50 million, 50 million euro contract. Otherwise over there, you're not making anything like that. So I mean, they'll make a good living for Brazil, but it's not the same as if you go to Europe and make a shitload.

And it's frightening too to make any sort of money. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Yeah. Shit applies heavily to third world, not even third world, just, you know, marginal, marginalized societies. Lesser, yeah, countries with less economic prowess. You become successful and then your family's lives are all threatened. Well, yeah, we'll talk about that in great detail here. All right. become successful and then your family's lives are all threatened yeah we'll talk about that in great detail here um yeah he says uh this is a quote from uh robinho here about the pele comparison

he says quote in the beginning it was very difficult because pele is incomparable there's no way you can compare yourself to someone who hit 1 000 goals played in four world cups and is rated as the greatest footballer ever i have to thank everyone that was by my side during these early years because i was always very well guided during my time in the academy at santos and then when i got into the senior team i had my coach emerson lee uh liao taking care of me too so uh yeah and then he said quote uh he once told me uh you're a great player you can look like him but pele is is Pele and Robinho is Robinho yes so that's a good that's a good way to look at it he said of course it was nice to be compared to him but I always had to clear I always had it clear in my mind that I had nothing on Pele

there will never be another footballer quite like him so that's good to a good thing to think of you don't want to be I'm going to be better than Pele and that's kind of a silly way to think I mean I guess you can shoot for that and fall a little short, and that's great, but I don't know. With how many soccer players there are and how many people make the team, you've got to have a competitive spirit about it. That's the thing. It's just too much pressure to be like, go be Pele now. How about I make the team first? Yeah, how about I'll fucking let my balls drop, and then I'll be Pele, all right?

I got like four hairs on my dick and then i'm paley now no calm down what are we doing here so yeah he uh he played several offensive positions played a wing position played a striker forward all these different things even an attacking middle fielder midfielder i don't know what the fuck any of this means that's what's great about it i just read it confidently yeah not knowing played it i don't know what the positions are i don't know shit i've never i loved soccer i've never played soccer in my fucking oh my god it's so much fun never if you don't smoke it's fun i'll say i played basketball always and it's not it was brutal i think that's a height thing maybe yeah no probably this is the little guy's basketball. Yeah, that's what I mean.

It's set up the same way. But in New York, nobody played soccer. That's fascinating, too, because a tall guy is actually faster, because I've got like two strides to every one of his. Now I can see that. So my legs are running like a bastard, and he's still beating me. That's true. That's true.

Yeah, I just, in New York, there's no, I remember when I came out here, people played soccer. I was like, whoa, weird. In New York, nobody played soccer. That was just not people played soccer. I was like, whoa, weird. In New York, nobody played soccer. That was just not a thing that happened. It really is true, though. The little guys play soccer most because there's very rarely a big guy on the field. It doesn't. Or a big tall guy, at least.

It seems like Vinnie Jones was big. Guys like that, there's a few of them. But it seems like I think now, too, it's like hockey where they're trying to make it a quicker game and less based on kind of staunch defense. It feels like it would be just much better if you're big. Hockey, the taller you are, the better you have leverage. So you can lean on people. Absolutely.

Yeah, it's a different thing. Push them down to the ice. That's a good thing. Where soccer, you don't have that advantage, I don't think. Yeah, it's much better with soccer to be able to run around people. When they try to lower their shoulder, I'm lower than that. That makes sense. You can't hit me with your shoulder.

That makes a lot of sense. uh he's very creative and shit like that people love watching him play and he loves playing and he says that quote one day without smiling is a lost day for me that's why he's always so joyous i wish i had that can you imagine if he felt like that that'd be great the lost day if i'm not smiling i'm smiling there's something fucking wrong yeah i'm trying to cover for whatever terrible fucking thing's going on on the inside what's wrong with you you look happy it's never good to hear i want you to know no so uh 2002 is when he's on the santos football club main roster you know everything he's 18 years old for christ's sake so he's a kid he makes 24

appearances and scores one goal that year and they won the uh the league i guess that year as well so that's pretty cool um now the only thing that they people have against him is he's criticized a lot for being kind of having a bad work ethic and being he's so skilled that people are like he's kind of lazy practice that's what i mean he's kind of an iverson when it comes to that he's so good he's like i don't really need this i'm just i'm just wasting it on practice type of thing is i think his mindset which for iverson i understood because he was getting the shit beaten out of him every game let the guy rest for a night and then you know he didn't need to practice he was fine you got to keep your your fucking hips warm though yeah yeah yeah yeah no that's true for him chris he had to let bruises heal for like

iverson for him though it's uh they also they say he has a he's very slender and he's a smaller guy and he gets basically knocked over a lot which annoys people because he's not sturdy enough to take a little shoulder bump that you'll get knocked over it's awesome it's cool yeah yeah like that too yeah i loved that too so he's not that's a problem with him they're like yeah we wish he tried harder and he's kind of a pussy but other than that he's a great you know finesse yeah kind of a player here if you get blasted enough that's enough yellow cards uh you know i mean yeah that'll get people tossed out of the game no that's true that's true but he ends up uh i don't know whatever he doesn't finish what he started sometimes i guess so the 2003 they reached the finals of the copa

libero libertadores oh boy uh but lost to the boca juniors which is a team of kids from boca raton florida right sponsored by a retirement home sponsored by del boca vista is it is it kids from boca or is it like old retirees that picked up soccer in the right day this is a pro real team so i think it's the older people here so uh this is apparently the that's what they call the Libertadores de America. It's the annual international club football competition organized always since 1960. So the literal translation of its name into English, which is that, yeah, would be the Liberators of America Cup. So there you go. Liberators of America Cup for uh liberators of america cup okay so there you go liberators of the cup for the liberators of america i guess who kicked out the portuguese right there you go i mean as a as

an arrogant dumb american i hear america and i'm like yeah but they're in oh yeah yeah they mean right the continent i get it south america yeah they're both americas so uh 32 appearances and nine goals that year for him. I think that's good. Right? I think. That's like a goal out of a little more than every, it's like every three and a half games. Not bad.

It's pretty good. I suppose. It seems good. He's a midfielder. No, he's everything. He's only a midfielder sometimes. Okay. But he's mainly like a winger.

Okay. So he's there to score goals. But I mean, if fucking the games are 2-1, I mean, you score one of them every three games or so. That's a's he's he's there to score goals but i mean if fucking the games are two one i mean every three you score one of them every three games or so that's a pretty good that's a pretty good rate i think so uh also he played an international play in 2003 he earned his first cap which means he appeared we found out many times ago uh in the brazil's uh 2003 uh conca calf Brazil's 2003 CONCACAF? It's all caps, so I assume it's an acronym for something here. C-O-N-C-A-C-A-F. Gold Cup match.

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That's impressive. That's good, right? Yeah, that seems awesome. That's more than every other game. That seems like better than anybody's stat I've ever's impressive that's good right yeah that seems awesome that's more than every other game that seems like better than anybody's stat i've ever heard that's terrific yeah 27 in how many 30 21 goals in 37 games that's incredible that sounds awesome right and uh they win another uh kind of title there another you know they win the league get another belt another belt or cap or patch or some shit i don't know what the fuck they have here i hope they get belts that'd be great not even like you know championship wrestling belts

just an actual belt just a leather belt says levi's there you go has the name stamped there you go it's reversible right turn it over it's brown on the other side so you know both your shoes that way you never know you know you never know one day you got black shoes next day you got brown shoes you're covered mister same belt switch it over that's what i want yeah it's me too so this year 21 goals in 37 games as you might imagine brings him to the attention of the whole world that play soccer basically everyone in the whole world including a lot of european clubs start to look at him and you know this is how these clubs of the smaller clubs make money too is by selling their players oh boy you know so they because there's a transfer fee which is you have to pay to the team so that's usually a shitload

of money as much at least as much as the players getting paid so it's a it's a big deal there so uh you know they're looking at you see you have to make a choice do i want to keep this player that we like so much, or do we want to sell him? Because otherwise, when his contract's up, he's going to go anyway. It's, you know, one of those things. So he remains with the club the next year, though, because, or that year, because Santos rejected all offers for him. So he was the hometown guy, next Pele. We're going to hang on to him. We're going to hang on to him we're gonna hang

on to him we think he can be the face of the fort franchise and everything else so the thing is he also loves to party yeah he fucking loves a nightclub and how do you not he loves it oh he's down in brazil his ass is shaking all over the place have you seen brazilian girls what the fuck yeah yes I'm in. Let's go. I'm telling you. Yeah, you watch anything. As like a big face of a fucking soccer team there?

Yeah. Forget it. The only things I know about Brazil are that the women seem to be attractive. Yes. And what else? That's about it. Because we've watched. Yeah.

We've done episodes. Anything I've learned on 90 day fiance because a lot of the girls are from brazil on 90 day fiance right i think so she's amazing south american she's incredible but and if they all look like that i'm coming i'm on my way there's a lot down there so but it's that and uh the other thing i know about brazil is that a douchebag swimmer was an idiot there that's the only thing i know that too yeah that too so he loves to party he loves to go out uh to the nightclubs and do all sorts of crazy shit and um party with his friends drink he's a big drinker yeah big dancer oh yeah likes all that kind of shit uh there's a one incident here where he was partying until five in the morning

at rio's catwalk club and uh he apparently came out of there and asked the manager if he could uh send somebody to the store with him at 5 a.m after being you know for him after being there all night uh because they needed about 40 condoms oh boy 40 that's how do you where do you get to that estimate 40 yeah he, get like two boxes of 20. I need like 40 condoms, he said. Can you go get that for me? So that's a fucking night. Around 40.

Somewhere around that number. 40? Yeah. I know it's him and his friend, but I mean, that's a lot. You're covering 40 dicks here? What's happening? It's 5 a.m. That's what I'm saying.

How many times are you planning on fucking tonight? You partied all night, got to 5, and now it's like, well, now we start fucking. Now it's time to get down to a real party. One fuck, you're out of energy, right? This dude parties hard. Not in Brazil. I feel like in Brazil, it takes many more fucks to be out of energy in Brazil. It's at least 40, I feel like.

So I don't know how many people there are there, but he... Do you guess 10 and average of four? Yeah, like you never know. They're going to take him off because I'm sure they how many people there are there, but he... Do you guess 10 and average of four? Yeah, like you never know. They're going to take them off because I'm sure they had different girls there. I don't know what the hell kind of party they were having. But if you need 40 condoms at 5 a.m., wow, that is... I mean, 5 a.m. That's a hardcore party.

Isn't that past gentleman time? Don't you just leave the one on until it's full of something on the inside? I suppose. There might be many more. I don't know. Maybe he's planning on multiple fucking rounds. It's 5 a.m., dude. That's crazy.

How many times are you going to fuck before you get tired at 5 a.m.? The sun's almost up. The sun's you've been drinking all night and dancing and everything else. Now you're like, let's fuck 40 times. What are you, crazy? Is it just him or is it with a bunch of friends?

I'm sure it's friends. I mean, he's probably got a private room and he's like, hey, you know, me and my boys need 40 condoms. That's a lot. Wow. And the guy who took the order for the condoms was like, can I please come to your party? Can't I get 41? How many?

40? Can I come, please? Jesus. At least once. At least just one? i just look i'm gonna drill a hole in the door and just look because it's gonna be like fucking caligula in there i mean if i'm going and doing a run like that i'm for sure saying so i'm part of this yeah right you can just walk in i got the condoms everybody that's facilitating the fuck yeah i get to come too you just walk in with one on i brought 39 fucking dick out how you doing everybody 39 condoms here for you i got 41

boxes open and then pour your dick go obviously obviously ladies so jesus yes i'm a mess but i'm a part of this i know you can all fuck because of me. Yeah, that's the thing. So I get to fuck too. Let's be honest. You're probably going to do it anyway. But now you can do it with less anxiety. Right.

You're going to enjoy it more. Well, probably not. But you will enjoy it more later when it's over. You'll be like, oh, okay. I'm glad I did that. During it, you'll hate it. But later. And that's assuming some gentlemanly lady is gonna

be like you did us all a favor i'm gonna take one for the team yeah that's the other thing who's gonna fuck the manager the errand boy yeah who's gonna fuck the non-soccer player yeah so uh apparently there was a an incident in 2004 that they dubbed the shorts dropping crisis okay crisis crisis i think that's a translational thing probably i don't know what crisis and you Incident in 2004 that they dubbed the shorts dropping crisis. Okay. Crisis. Crisis. I think that's a translation thing. Probably.

I don't know. A crisis. And, you know, who knows a translation epidemic. He was asked about it because I guess he and we'll find out. He says about this whole thing. So he was asked about it. And Rubino says, quote, it was a disastrous prank. I pulled because their midfielder, Diego, was always pulling my shorts down and I could never get revenge. What are they, in seventh grade?

This is what you did in seventh grade. Say rip down and you'd fucking do that. And that was funny. Is that what you guys said? Yeah, that's what they did. Rip down. That's a New York thing. You'd have to shout it, too, while you did it.

Because you'd have to draw attention to the matter. You'd have to draw attention to the matter you'd have to draw attention to the matter it turns around some guy scrambling that was the fucking yeah nobody ever shouted anything you just it was very obvious when a very white penis was out well yeah but did everyone know what if they had their backs turned that's the thing it's a great rip down told everyone everyone's correct they're fucking hey look at that yeah no tan why do it if no one's gonna say if everyone's not gonna see it that's the thing those are the two things i remember from my from that was junior high and then high school if anyone had a wool sweater on you'd light it on fire in the cafeteria new york was a weird place to grow up but you have like the wool sweater my balls out jesus what kind of fucking prank is that it's hilarious a wool sweater if you just

flick a lot that's the thing if you just flick a lighter and a wool sweater it goes up but for like a quarter of a second it literally goes poof and you're this you're a human flame for a flash to where you go what just happened you don't even you think maybe it you did if you're wearing the sweater you don't even know if it just happened or not but you feel hot a little bit too at the same time you get a little warmth on your neck you're like what the fuck but you do that when people are like eating at the cafeteria they're like oh blah blah blah and you sneak up behind them they just go poof and then everyone at the table cracks up laughing and they're like jesus christ am i on fire it's fucking fun i think i'd rather have my dick out yeah worry about third degree burns that's what you did that's what you did to your friends by the way not this wasn't to like this wasn't

to pick on someone no this wasn't like a bullying tactic this was like oh look there's craig i'm gonna light him on fire because he's my friend. I love that guy. That's funny. Yeah. See what he looks like with a blue flame around. Yeah, it's hilarious. You can hurt your friends without, you know, putting them in the hospital.

That's considered. Thank you. Unreal. You did well. So dicks. Yeah. So he could never get his revenge. He said, I was waiting for my chance for a long time

and then it came on the day we were having our official photos taken for the pre-olympic qualifying tournament in chile no oh yeah so while he was posing for the cameraman i did to him what he had done to me so many times and everyone in brazil got to see oh my god so yeah he did it before the picture was taken yeah he did it before the picture was taken yeah he did it as the guy was gonna snap the photo so then the photo got out because rip down gets your attention photographer accidentally hit the button yeah what the fuck was that click click click rip down whatever that is in portuguese portuguese rip down it says it just like that yeah portuguese ripped down

portuguese dick in the photo that's it right there man portuguese ripped down unbelievable so he said all the headlines the next day were about the photo we thought it was hilarious but then when we failed to qualify for the olympics there was a lot of anger about it yeah maybe if you weren't fucking around playing grab bass you would have made the goddamn fucking not so funny anymore yeah he said that was a turning point for us we knew we had to leave our childhood behind to become men when we when we then realized exactly what it meant to wear the yellow shirt of the national team in a very important competition and not pull each other's dicks out, please.

Now, there is dangers, like you mentioned, of being a famous next Pele soccer player. Too big, too fast. Too big, too fast. There's dangers in countries like this where, I mean, there's dangers here where athletes carry guns at a higher rate than anybody else. where athletes carry guns at a higher rate than anybody else, and a lot of them, if you've known any athletes, they say they carry guns because people know they're athletes and people try to rob them all the time, if they're like the go-out type.

So guys do that shit. Now, I would probably hire security to not end up with a Plaxico Burris situation. Or a class to know how to handle it, and also maybe get a fucking license to carry it. Well, that too but i mean i wouldn't even put myself in that situation if i'm somebody that goes out and gets fucked with and people are trying you know i feel dain in danger i'll go to the team and go hey

here's what the deal is i go out at night and when i do i don't feel safe so i'm gonna start carrying two fucking guns with me and we'll see what the fuck see if you come up with headlines tomorrow or you guys can hire some security to walk out with me. And they'd go, well, we'll have guys with you tonight then. To not have, you know, their running back fucking shoot somebody in a nightclub. They'll probably send security out with you. The other part is they have to have some forethought and, you know, plan your fucking night. Don't just go on a whim to some bar that you find is trendy.

Because trendy bars have, I don't know, fucking assholes there. You do. You have to be careful is the other thing which i mean you have to be extra careful in places like brazil because we think of poverty here and it's bad it is nothing compared to what the poverty here and the poverty in brazil not to you know take away from anybody's plight here but holy shit if you went you go to the favela and you'll go, whoa, holy fuck. All right, never mind. Eight-year-old chasing a chicken down the street because that's dinner.

That's what I mean. And it's, I mean, we read a lot about it and it's, shit is wild down there. I mean, and even on 90 Day Fiance, and we know this, we talked to Sarah from the, if you ever watch 90 Day Fiance, from Michael and Juliana. Juliana was from brazil she's the she was like 22 and he's the guy who has the drives the porsche michael so sarah is michael's ex-wife and they all hang out together they're all very close and all that kind of shit we talk to sarah all the time me and my sarah talk to that sarah all the time and we're friends with her and stuff and so you know we take kind of special interest in that and juliana a 90-day fiance talks about how when she was a kid in brazil she basically um didn't have

enough money and none of the houses had all four walls so they would send her to sneak in to steal food from the neighbors if anybody had it because they had no food that's how poor they were and then she was like married off into a cult when she was 15 like it's just it's fucking it's different down there there's some the easiest robbery ever though yeah that's what i mean and she was like you know she felt bad about it but you know what are you gonna do you're you know you're kidding you're hungry so that's what i mean but that's the level of of you know of uh poverty we're talking about where you know how walls aren't complete and shit not Not this place sucks. It's a little bit different. Like I said, not take away from anybody's shit. So, yeah, he's he's the kidnappings become a real problem basically around this area. There was a year here in the mid 2000s where 83 kidnappings for ransom were registered in one year in Sao Paulo, which is a shitload of like high profile people and stuff like that. Late 90s.

That's that's. Yeah, that's in the late 90s. So the families of football players start to become first. It's business people. They kidnap business people. They hold them for ransom for the companies that they work for. That's how they work it. Then they start going, OK, fuck this shit. Let let's start these football players have a shitload of money what if we kidnap their

sister or their mom or somebody like that they'll pay anything to get them back much easier to get a hold of them than it is the fucking corporation that's the other thing too and the they tend to handle it a little different too and and we talked about uh jesus christ the pitcher uh right um left hand oh yeah there bina that's his mom his mother in venezuela was kidnapped it was a very similar situation and it happens all the fucking time it happens to this day right constantly so uh friends would say that robino was on high alert about this shit all the time uh he had bodyguards that he would go out with he didn't go out alone uh he had bodyguards that he would go out with he didn't go out alone he always had bodyguards however his family didn't always take that

advice his family didn't his family didn't believe in any of that shit they were like i don't care we're not gonna fucking be different people we're not gonna have bodyguards around or any of that shit so uh november of 2004 his mother mar, was preparing a barbecue with friends of hers. That's nice. It's in a place called Praia Grande, and it's about 45 miles from Sao Paulo. And while this happened, gunmen burst into the house. Of course they did. And, yeah, according to the witnesses here, one of them was armed with a pistol, jumped into the back garden of the house where they all were in the backyard there and said quote who's donna marina robinho's mom and uh he said you know

somebody pointed at him and everybody did her not us yeah well not me shit so they pushed everybody into the bathroom and locked everybody into the bathroom and stole the mother. They kidnap his mother here. So they jump into her Mercedes. She's got a Mercedes. They take that. They put her in the trunk, and they take off, basically. Dead serious. Oh, this shit is dead serious.

Yeah. They leave these people locked in a bathroom. And, yeah, so they tell Rubino about this. Hey, your mom's kidnapped and all. So he's a little freaked out, as you might imagine. The team was playing somewhere else. He came home to figure out what the fuck was going on. He left the team.

They were in Santa Catarina preparing for a game, and he returned home. And the Santos police officer in charge of the investigation said quote we already know through intermediaries from the santos team that robinho is calm and confident confident about our work great find my mom right don't give a shit fuck are you doing so uh he said obviously um robinho's got a statement here he says quote it's a very very difficult period for me and i wouldn't wish it on anyone. When your mother has been kidnapped every day is a bad day. Yeah.

Probably. Yeah. You know? Yeah. While they're holding her. Yeah. Uh, the kidnappers,

uh, where is that? The, uh, kid talks about Brazilian law and it's not translated. Well, um, uh,

let's see. Maybe, maybe they'll be talking about the kidnappers. Maybe they'll pay their own ransom to make sure they stay free. It's made me realize how important my family is and what really matters in life. It's made me care about my family, my wife, my son. That's later on. Uh, my mother, my father, the people who mattered to me most in my life.

So, uh, yeah, she's bundled up and all this shit she's held for over 40 days. Good Lord. Uh, yeah, they keep her um also they send her they send him videos uh demanding ransom they send a uh another video where they they show them cutting her hair they like shave her head that's fucked up that's yeah they're just trying to i don't know abuse her and humiliate and get him to want to pay the ransom, I guess, here. There are rumors that she's been killed around the neighborhood and shit. It's kind of spreads through the underworld that she's been murdered. Hard to assume that somebody is going to last for 40 days.

That's the thing. So she's gone that long. And this is really not like we said, not anything different at all. It's a journalist here said in Rio, just as much as Sao Paulo, kidnapping is a really worrying thing for the players. It isn't the first time something like this has happened to a football player. You'd think that because he was from a poorer background, the kidnappers might not have done something like this,

but they obviously knew exactly what they were doing and that they will be sold for all this money. He's talking about the players having a ton of money that they're sold to other teams for here. So they're talking about famous ones that happened recently. A coach, a coach, two different coaches paid one hundred and sixty thousand dollars to get their one of their to get each of their brothers back that were kidnapped. That's lucrative. That's a lucrative thing. That's what I mean. Down down there it's a shitload of money yeah that's a lot

uh one person says here it's the visibility of footballers and their earnings kidnapping attempts against the players or directors of clubs or their families are occurring every six weeks or so and 75 of these are successful because they stalk. They pay people for information. I mean, this is their business. They're not fucking around here at all. This is a researcher at the Sociological Research Center in Buenos Aires that studies this sort of shit here. They said that Argentinian clubs are also having a problem with that. What they started doing in Argentina was stopped uh revealing the sums that the players were sold for are making right so but they still know they're making a shitload of money but

they don't know exactly who's making what to say like that guy just got a huge contract but it's pretty obvious by who's the most fucking important guy that's the thing that's the thing everybody knows who are they talking about right he's making the most money so that didn't really they said that it believes they believe it helped us achieve a slight reduction in the abduction rate which you know who knows here yeah that's what i mean um now uh another play and players will leave south america to get out of this away from this player who left argentina talks about how you know he was his father they tried to kidnap his father like three times and he finally just signed out in europe and took his family and left i'd take a pay cut for that shit yeah that's what i mean and they end up they get

paid more over there so it's like do i want to get paid more and have my family be safe or do i want to you know stay here for love of country and shit right and eat the food i like and stuff and have my mother get kidnapped every fucking three weeks. Have you had the plateau of slaves? It's delicious. Yeah. Have you had the slave platter? It's fantastic. So also some of the guys have started like

pretending like they have no money, basically, like the Argentinian guys. There's one guy named Dario Alanis who takes the bus there. He takes the bus to the stadium to be like i don't have any money meanwhile you're just an easier target to roll on the bus now now they just kidnap you right off the bus stop um now they say that other players just say that you know kidnapping is just a hazard that's one of the you know you could break your leg you could do that maybe your mom gets kidnapped that's part of the

it's all in the game is the way they say it in any other profession there's hazard pay yeah that's this one that's the thing man um the one guy here uh one of the soccer players fathers when uh who was released by kidnappers he said quote it's no big deal the kind of thing that happens these days in argentina this is the man who was kidnapped he's accepting it he's like i mean yeah mean, yeah, it happens. What are you going to do? Sometimes you get kidnapped. Okay. They were nice. Right. So November 10th, 2004, she's still gone.

His mom, Rubino's mom. He's in the media pleading for her return. He's saying that he's waiting to hear from the kidnappers. They said that they know, and the police said they know an area that they're concentrating on that she could possibly be. Police chief said, quote, all I can say is that the people who achieve success so quickly should be extremely careful to avoid this kind of incident. Meaning him, I guess. Meaning Rubino. It's on him.

It's his fault, obviously. You shouldn't be successful. Don't be successful and take care of your family because this is what's going to happen. This. How dare you try to get a squalor? Now you're kidnapped. Now I fucking see. Now you feel stupid, don't you?

He should. Wouldn't you rather be plucking your dinner? I was going to say, chase that fucking chicken. You'll feel better. So, yeah, they said Rubino said he's in a state of shock. He expected the case to be resolved, though. He said no one knows where she's gone at the moment. Things are complicated.

though. He said no one knows where she's gone at the moment. Things are complicated. He appears in a press conference with tears in his eyes and everything else standing outside of his mother's apartment begging that the reporters respect his family's privacy. And he says, I hope this ends well with my mom returning

and me playing football. Because he's also not playing this whole time. Of course not. You can't. It would be such a distraction for the team. Can you you yeah well i mean your mom got kidnapped we wouldn't do this no that's right we're not doing nothing i don't have to kick anything no well and the well the problem is for him mainly is even if because i mean he might be able to get that out of his head for a couple hours and focus if you do something like this you can focus and athletes do it all the time they have great games the day that somebody dies and shit like that you can lock it in but the problem is all the every reporter in brazil is going to be on top of him in their

locker room up his ass bothering the other players it's you know so it's just not good at all and it'll be worse police sources say the kidnappers are yet to uh make a ransom demand uh they've said that you know obviously they're going to want a ransom. They've sent these videos, but they haven't made an exact... What are you doing this if you're not getting any money out of this? Yeah, they haven't made an exact demand. And all they said was, our only target at the moment is just to bring the victim

home safely. So later in the day, after Rubino appears on television, begging, kidnappers make contact with the family, finally, here, with something other than a video, and they demand a ransom of a million dollars. Wow.

Yeah, a million dollars. Is that what they were doing for 40 days, trying to figure out how much to ask? I guess holding her to show that they mean business. I guess. Send the video showing that they could do bad things to her and then say a million dollars. Because they saw him on TV all red-eyed and went, he's ready to crack right now.

Yeah, we can roll this fucking guy. So what happens is the father, who has now become Rubino's agent. He's not a salesman anymore. He's now become Rubino's agent. His father negotiates the kidnapping for him negotiates the ransom right which is fucking hilarious or his ex-wife no no this is his wife and he's negotiating the ransom if it was his ex-wife he'd be like what million nope next offer uh do you have counter offer no nope so you stuck on a million all right then yeah all right then so uh yeah i got there's

dinner pretty soon here so i'm gonna get going i gotta have a good one it'd be like ruthless people remember ruthless people with danny devito they kidnapped danny devito's wife bett midler it's judge reinhold kidnaps her and they call him up for a ransom and he's like i don't want her i can keep her i don't care what the hell you do with her you call him up for a ransom and he's like i don't want her i can keep her i don't care what the hell you do with her you're like we're gonna kill her he's like good great do it knock yourselves out bye and they'd hang up on him and he's like what the fuck calling him back hey we really have your wife he's like i really don't give a shit that's what's going on here i gotta watch that again it's so great i haven't seen it in so long it's so good

such a fucking great movie from the train both are so good fucking fantastic so good god i love daniel murder and kidnapping amazing it's so funny it's when danny devito's involved something about it just makes it hilarious it's so great but it was quid pro quo is that what he said in the movie no it was uh crisscross crisscross like he was talking about uh because they were taking creative writing course he's like crisscross yeah that's what i meant i'll kill your ex-wife so uh they make contact here and uh yeah they they wanted the kidnappers by the way were insisting on speaking directly to robinho and the father would not do it. He said, you talk to me.

I'm the negotiator. But their main thing was they wanted to talk to him, which is fucking hilarious. What if they just wanted like an autograph? That's their sticking point. Hey, will you just like sign something for us? We got a pair of shoes. Can you put like to Marsha? Like she's she really likes you.

So you got gotta go. So at this whole, while this is all going on, behind the scenes, Real Madrid has been wanting him. So Madrid is after his ass. Great team. Yeah, and they want him for a lot of money and all of this. And it was about to go through right before the kidnapping happened. So now it's on hold because obviously it's, you know, we're going to negotiate a contract. Hold on, guys. I got to negotiate with the kidnappers you know, we're going to negotiate a contract. Hold on, guys. I got to negotiate with the kidnappers here and then we'll get to contract talks tomorrow.

So, yeah, the preliminary talks on hold, you know, obviously here. Reports in Brazil claimed that Madrid agreed to a fee in the region of 20 million for him as a transfer fee. Yeah, that is fucking wild here. And they said this is his other he has like his dad handles his business and then he's got another kind of a business guy he says quote roberto carlos and ronaldo have phoned me to let me know they can help robinho for anything he could need in madrid those are the players ronaldo is a very famous player there um because he gets that's where he comes in he plays a lot of famous players and he said when he got there it was they were all nice to him and really yeah

it was weird it was like he was playing for an all-star team they all kind of treated him like the little brother of the team that's nice yeah um so uh yeah he says this is his agent here now that i have received this information about what has happened with his mother i might have stopped the meetings for negotiations the weird translation i think he said rabino phoned me and he cried a lot and he was shocked about what was happening but he told me to take care of the negotiations he told me to stay in spain not to return to brazil and to keep having conversations with madrid and that's his father that no that's another guy that's his other that's his other agent so he's got to have he's got two going on, one for his mother and one for his team.

That's fucking wild, man. Unbelievable. He does say that he has hope for his mother there. His agent says, quote, based on my gut feeling, I think that this week the kidnapping will end. But if it isn't resolved, he won't play till it is. So why does he have that feeling? That's because that day robinho paid a ransom of 83 000 to these people to get her back to get her back that's what they settled on they settled

on from a million to 83 grand his dad's a good agent his dad's a good negotiator and 83 grand less than 10 like they they didn't even get to like 100 grand they're like you know what good he was like how about 77 they were like 77 what we have your wife yeah yeah 77 right 90. she's passed i'm not going past 85 80,005 it's not that clean anymore 80,500 is my final fucking offer 85 i can't do it i can't do meet me 83 meet me in the all right fine 83 hey deal that's how that happened how that happened it was so i said a million he said 10 grand yeah he was like i'll give you 7500 and i got a used audi you can have as well he did it like a 2001 negotiation

where people are like yeah i need a need $1,000 out of this. They're like, I've got $10. I'll give you $12. But I'll pick it up. Right. I got $12. Can you deliver? What?

No. Fuck you. So he's hoping that this week his mom has returned because, I mean, he gives him the money, but I mean, shit. And he doesn't know. He coughed up $83,000 and it's even just in the wind no no it's yeah this isn't a you know right this isn't you don't go up and ask for a receipt no can you scan my mom on the little thing and i'd like a receipt please no return policy no it's nothing you know so december 18th 2004 his mother is returned 41 days after she was abducted she she has returned, which is goddamn wild here.

The kidnappers left her on a small road in the neighborhood of Peruz. The local resident said, quote, she wasn't terrified or shaking or anything. She just asked for help to call the police. So can somebody call the police, please? They brought her immediately to a hospital to make sure who knows what they did to her. So they brought her immediately to a hospital to make sure that who knows what they did to her so they brought her in she spent two hours in the hospital undergoing blood tests and x-rays and everything else they said that she was dehydrated and lost about 10 pounds but you know other than that she was fine they didn't like inject her with syphilis or anything so that's good

great that's helpful right lost 10 pounds they're right she came back she's like i'm looking i feel good you know i'm really uh shocked by i was feeling 15 you fucks love me 83 that's where you settled really really they asked for 83 you love me 83 000 worth of a million dollars that's what you love me how long did that extra negotiation take i could have been back sooner couldn't i you could have just paid what on day four you fucking jerks you said 77's final offer and hung up and didn't talk to him for two more days both of you were trying to fucking i lost another two pounds because of you assholes thanks a lot thanks a lot so uh the police declared a media blackout on it in november so there was very little reporting because they didn't want to yeah don't encourage don't encourage it basically here

uh the police did say that the ransom was paid and uh they never announced a motive which i So there was very little reporting because they didn't want to. Yeah. Don't encourage. Don't encourage it. Basically here. The police did say that the ransom was paid and they never announced a motive, which I would imagine would be ransom. It's really not that hard to figure out. Clearly money. We're not sure of the motive. Well, I am. They paid money to get her back. We're not sure why.

Someone robs a gas station. No one's like, I wonder why they did that. Not sure why they did it. What could the motivation be? Do they hate society? No, they did it what could the motivation be do they hate society no they needed 150 that's why they didn't want to pay for those cigarettes that's it so uh yeah following all this basically they uh they bring her in she has uh they shaved her head the police officers and not the police the kidnappers had shaved her head that'd be really weird if the cops did it here's your mother we shaved her head though so uh she didn't have lice yeah they brought her in uh crowds started to form

they brought her in and said uh at uh what is it 2 30 in the afternoon she pulls up to her apartment everybody's there and waiting and uh he says quote it's christmas uh there was a big sign that says it's at christmas that the baby jesus answers our prayers there we go and sign that says, it's at Christmas that the baby Jesus answers our prayers. There we go. And that's when her husband said that, you know, it's not that big of a deal. It happens. He said the same thing the other guy said, which, you know, okay.

Thank you. Three grand's a lot of money. That's a lot. So they did a Brazilian TV program to reunite the members of the family here. So they did this whole thing. They discovered at that moment that his robinho's grandfather marine his mother's father had never even knew that he played soccer because they don't talk because she was sold when she was 12 so he had no idea about his grandson or

any of that shit so on this show they brought this guy in and said here's you know that famous football guy that's your That's your grandson. He was like, holy shit, wow, that's pretty cool. So apparently they have limited access to media where her family's from. They're that poor that they don't even have access. They didn't even see in the newspaper who they were. They didn't have anything. Very, very bad there.

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but Hollywood and the NFL. Follow Business Wars wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. More kidnappings follow this, by the way. Just a few that happened in Brazil around this time here. February 23, 2005, armed men invade the home of Ilma de Castro Libano, who is the mother of a Sao Paulo striker named Graphite. Graphite?

That's a solid name. That's a good name. It's a good club. Although it's just a pencil. I guess. After tying up her husband and son, they take her away, and Helena Clemente, who's the mother of Luis Fabiano, was a striker for the Portuguese. Some Portuguese soccer team is kidnapped. She's not released for two months as well.

March 21st, which is two weeks after that, Inez Fidelis Regis, who's the mother of a defender named Rogerio, is kidnapped from her home, and the police free her four days later. Again, all these are ransom here. May 3rd, 2005, Alice Castillo Nazare, who's the mother of a defender here, Marino, is abducted by kidnappers disguised as florists. I read about this one. She was getting a floral

delivery and uh and they snatched they snatched her yeah they brought her flowers while she was like doing gardening and fucking took her it's crazy he paid 20 grand for her release um so yeah there's that and august 14th they they figure out and we'll talk about it who kidnapped his mom and it's very fucking interesting here uh we'll talk about it who kidnapped his mom and it's very fucking interesting here uh we'll talk about that so uh he also gets an urban dictionary entry in 2005 as well robinho what's it called robinho is a frail player who is very quick and scores many goals so yeah that's great yeah but he's frail from that yeah because they the the quote was like you know he did this and that yeah and then he

fell down too bad he's a robinho or some shit you know one of those so uh yeah uh now he scored nine goals in 12 games that year and uh people really were into him plays an international play here he's part of the brazil squad for the 2005 fifa cup awesome uh. Which Brazil went on to win. Yeah. He was on that team. During the tournament, he scored in, oh boy, partnered with Adriano in attack

and scored in group matches against Greece and Spain. Okay, apparently he scored goals against Greece and Spain. Fuck, it's hard. I don't know what any of this means, so I have to translate it. Well, and also,

it's a group effort in those sports. Yeah, that was from portuguese also so the words are oh yeah i'm trying to i don't know no well thank god google knows it but still the words never come out quite as smooth as if you know a human translated that sort of deal so july 2005 finally uh the the madrid thing goes through. They sign Rubino by agreeing to pay a fee equal to 60% of the buyout clause in his contract, which turns out to be 24 million euros, which is a shitload of money. Ten billion dollars American right now. Yeah, they say his his wages are estimated at two hundred twenty nine thousand dollars a week.

He makes a week he makes. Wow. A week. American? That's dollars. $160,000 pounds a week. That's what he was making. That's incredible.

That's wild in 2005. $229,000 pounds a week in 2005. Right. I mean, now, that's... I don't give a fuck. 30 years from now, $229,000 a week is going to be great. 100 years from now, it's going to be great. That's a lot of fucking money.

That's ridiculous. That's a million dollars a month almost. That's wild. That's $900,000 a month almost. That's fucking crazy. So, yeah, the Madrid vice president here, he spoke of his excitement of landing such a great player. He said, we are delighted. Rubino is a very important signing for us we

need great players and he's one of them they signed another guy too so they say they are two great young players and they will form a very good young base for this team the situation with santos had reached an uncomfortable position for everyone but fortunately we found a solution that suited everyone so that was selling him so august of 2005 a kidnapper is arrested oh let's fucking talk about this shit this guy is uh well let's talk about him they call him his nickname is bin laden oh my lord yeah he's he's the brazilian bin laden that's what they all call him he's a hardcore not just a kidnapper but they use the kidnappings to fund other shit. Like we'll talk about terrorist activities. And it's fucking wild, man.

They arrested. He was one of their most wanted criminals. He was the mastermind of Rubino's mother's abduction. And they arrest him. It's Celio Marcello de Silva, nicknamed Brazilian Bin Laden here. They captured him after a car chase and gun battle in Sao Paulo. Also, it didn't go down easy. This fucking guy.

He's crazy. So what the fuck? Basically, what did he do? Let's talk about this shit. They call him a high ranking member of the Sao Paulo's PCC faction, which is it's PCC, but it's first command of the capital is the what it is i don't know what that's all about responsible for more than uh for having ordered the seasonal the season of criminal attacks later on this is in like 2017 uh more than 300 attacks against collectives uh civil police stations bases and an explosion the explosion of bridges and overpasses were carried out throughout the state

by direct order of this fucking guy. Fucking terrorist. Oh, he's a fucking hardcore terrorist. Even though he was locked up in a federal maximum security prison for the kidnapping and then everything else that followed, he's still running this giant terrorist organization where they're fucking, yeah. Yeah, you imagine if our jails are corrupt those are super corrupt oh we've read i mean we've read about how many different countries jails and

they're he's walking out the gates he's gonna do what he wants yeah a lot of these jails are very loose i mean like we said there's corruption in our jails where people do that and that's a big deal here there it's a little looser anyway right They're playing it a little more fast and loose, I imagine. Yeah. So they say that this guy has just, they put him in an isolation cell. It still doesn't help. He gets word out. He gets word out through guards, I assume.

It was thought that they would, you know, they could discipline him and put him in privacy enough to where he couldn't run shit, but they can't. They just can't do it. I guess if you threaten or bribe people enough, you can get what you want. And basically, the attacks began on January 2nd. I want to say 2017, but I could be wrong here with the burning of several of the buildings. After that, the attack spread throughout the city with police stations uh they bombed police stations and shot molotov cocktails and uh through molotov cocktails and shot rifles and machine guns at different police stations different bases then once all that happened the police were busy with that that's when explosions started happening all over the place they were yeah bridges blowing up bridges infrastructure bridges overpasses shit like that they're

blowing up this is uh fucking crazy even get that under control yet i'll call the military right it's a military operation they're this is like it's organized and it's all it's coordinated it's all over the place it's it's things up. I mean, this isn't like five guys. This is a fucking militia. This is crazy. This is a Brazilian fight club. I would say. Holy fuck, man.

So all of this shit, fires in garages of any public garage they set fire to, shit like that. Also set fire to car dealers. Burned as many cars as they could is what they were doing too. Um, so they, they had a secret investigation carried out by the public ministry of the state through its special action group to combat organized crime, which is, uh, some guy here is the leader of all this. And he calls him he calls him the he calls him the bin Laden and orders. He said that this guy orders the supply of large caliber weapons and ammunition to several Brazilian states. And basically, this is just one of the things that he's been doing and planning on doing. And just the worst guy. He's the worst fucking guy. Yeah, he is Brazilian bin Laden. this is just one of the things that he's been doing and planning on doing and uh holy shit

worst guy he's the worst fucking guy yeah he is brazilian bin laden and that's who kidnapped his mom so yeah he was the mastermind anyway he's very lucky to have that mom back exactly well this guy wants money so he can you take it probably costs a lot to fund yeah you know citywide statewide terrorist attacks i would assume that might have have cost him $400 to do all that shit. To keep all those guys, though? That's what I mean. You have to pay all those guys, feed all these guys, supply all these guys with equipment. I mean, somewhere for them.

It's a big deal. So he goes to Madrid, and he does well. His first season, he's in 37 appearances, scored 14 goals, which is pretty goddamn good on a big team there and he likes it he says it's fun um he says that uh the spanish supporters are a lot different he says the spanish go around uh go to the ground and treat it like it's like it's going to uh the theater the english supporters go to the ground to support the team to scream and shout and do whatever they can do for their team yeah i wouldn't say that the support is a massive surprise but i didn't expect it to happen so quickly they they took to him fast and he didn't understand why exactly but he loves it europeans are hilarious

they are they're like piss on somebody else in the stands and they think that's gonna help their team yeah well you know what you never know it might have one day right it might have years ago some guy's beer and they're like yeah that's good luck scored because of that you never know i'm pissing next time we get the ball i'm nuts so 2006-7 uh he has some problems with the manager here he spends the first few months of the season as a substitute doesn't get in a lot of games uh this is after being man of the match in one of these matches against barcelona and so uh yeah he was he ended up starting later on and then having a really good season apparently he had 43 total appearances i think that's a lot of other shits included because there's when you look at the stats

there's like league play and then there's other there's like four other things and i don't know what any of them mean yeah so he had 43 total appearances completely in eight goals that's all i do know so uh later on they madrid won their 30th la liga title that year as well right jesus christ that's a 30th like the yankees of that league i guess i have no idea uh it was their third league champ it was his third league championship too because he's yeah but they have like 12 league championships a year so that's the other thing we don't know how that goes i keep hearing about all these soccer championships that are playing so much play one last dude well they have international play they have this play that way i don't even know what it is they have uh fundraisers to help kidnap mothers i don't know what the fuck's going

on so uh it's at this point that he gets beef with Pele. Oh, boy. Pele comes out in the media and says that Rubino is a disappointment and that Rubino takes drugs. So he says this in the press. That's a wild accusation. That's a pretty big accusation,

which, I mean, it might be true. He parties like crazy. What do we know? You don't fucking know. I can't say that. He said he was very, Rubino said he was just blown away by it. He was hurt by it. He said he thought that was his mentor.

Yeah. And he thought it was terrible. He didn't understand. He says, quote, it appears Pele must be reading sensationalist media to come up with such a wrongful statement. He says, if Pele does not come forward to retract his comment, I will have to deal with this very unfortunate comment in court. He's talking about suing him for libel good that's a big difference from he's my idol right you don't usually sue your idol and for libel but you have

to you have to if they're going around in that taking yeah if you're not doing drugs you fucking better sue yeah that's the thing i that's that's why i won one america's u.s is fucked up in a lot of ways but one thing that's great is you can say any old crazy shit you want i do enjoy that i do enjoy that you can go i don't know think it looks like he's on drugs to me that's perfectly fine you could say that about anyone else on the face of the earth unless you say i have categoric proof that he's on drugs and still it's really kind of murky they have to prove they don't do drugs at that point that's how the fucking laws work here it's a different thing you can say any old crazy shit it's wild it is in other countries you get sued for saying shit that you know his career's over yeah it happens so it's wild so uh um football fans didn't take robinho's side here

though they took pele's side obviously oh yeah they they called it grossly disrespectful that he said that about pele god forbid if pele says you're on drugs then you just say you're on drugs suck it up and take it you might as well do drugs right we think you're on drugs um yeah robinho they said you know he's his head's too big now and he forgot that all that pele had done for him is what they all said. What the fuck precipitated that? There had to be a meeting somewhere, right? I think he's mad he left.

I think he's mad he left. That's all. He's just pissed he went over there. That's what I thought, anyway. He's got to calm down. Chill out, Pele. Calm the fuck down. Who gives a fuck?

Yeah, who cares? He's making money for his family. The guy's trying to keep his mom out of Bin Laden's front yard. Yeah, he moved his whole family to Spain when he moved moved there too yeah that's the other thing he got his whole family over there so that's made everybody safe now they don't stay in this shit neighborhood in spain no no they're gonna be i'm sure more beautiful i'm sure that was part of the deal is i want all this money and you know you're gonna keep my mom safe too you know kind of thing that happened and they were like something here called a uh Riviera. That's where we want to be.

That's where we're going to be. That's right. So, yeah, he's 2006. He goes with the FIFA World Cup team in Germany there with the Brazil squad. He's mainly used as a substitute that year. However, he is in the starting lineup for their third group match when they beat Japan. And he made a substitute appearance in their quarterfinal loss to france so uh in the uh he also uh rubino is a regular starter for the team

in 2007 copa america another tournament there's so many fucking tournaments man i i don't know they're talking about i don't even care who gives a shit it makes so much money that's why it does it does the people love it so much. So much money. Fuck, man. It's cheap. Yeah, it is. How hard is it?

I mean, you get a ball, and you kick it towards an area that you deemed as a goal if you have no money. You can do it. One ball, a shitload of people can play. Done deal. That's the thing. That's why basketball's good, too. If you're poor, it's like, here's a ball.

And there's always a ball. One hoop, you can always play. There's always a hoop nearby. It's great. I love basketball for that very reason. So Rubino, he does play in two matches here. He scores a hat trick, three goals in their match against Chile, and then a one nothing. He scored the goal in a one nothing win over Ecuador as well.

And then he scores another two goals in a six one win over Chile again. And then he went on. Brazil went on to beat the tournament. And he finished with the Golden Boot Award for the best player of the tournament. My man. There you go. Golden Boot. Don't say that quite yet, Jimmy.

No. Let's not do he's my kind of guy quite yet. I'm going to save you from. He's crushing it. He's crushing it. And he's going to do something else. So 2007, 2008, the coach that he didn't get along with was fired, and another coach was appointed, and he likes to get along much better,

so that's good here. He finishes with 11 goals that one year, 2007-2008. December 17, 2007, a son is born. All right. He has a young boy. You betcha he did. Robson Jr. Yes, he did.

Of course he did. What are you? bet you he did robson jr yes he did of course he did what are you of course he did of course why why so fucking many i don't know derrick coleman jr last week i mean oscar pastoreus didn't get a kid out but he would have definitely named him oscar fucking jr if he could pele might be right he his head is way too big yeah it, it's up his ass. He is so proud of himself. He's very pretty. Yeah, once you name your kid, that's hubris right there. You're into it here. I'm the best.

Yeah. Well, he gets injured in the beginning of the second half of that season and doesn't recover that well before the end of the year. So that's a problem here. Leg? I think it's a leg problem. Yeah. I don't know why anything else would bother you.

My arm hurts. So what? Get the fuck out there and run. He was running around. So, yeah, he was their third highest scorer while he's there so far. And he's also the player with the second most assists. So he's doing pretty well. Yeah, he's not bad.

Yeah, he's not bad. He is the only Madrid player, along with their goalkeeper, to finish in the top 10 of the FIFA World Player of the Year nominations in 2007-2008. Two in the top 10? Two in the top 10. On their team, yeah. That's awesome. So their president promised at this point to negotiate a new contract with Fabinho midway through the season, but that never happened. So he instead said that he'll talk to him after the season, and then it didn't happen. So Rubino, he said that he went to the media and said the talks never began because Madrid

was trying to get rid of him to get a deal going with somebody else. So that's what he starts saying in the press. So now Madrid is kind of backed into a corner where they have to try to negotiate a new a deal going with somebody else so that's what he starts saying in the press so uh now madrid is kind of backed into a corner where they have to try to negotiate a new contract because he kind of punked about in the press so they do that and uh he rejects it and says he wants to leave he says he wants to go to chelsea really bad that's where he wants to go um there have been all these talks about transfers to chelsea and uh he said that's what he wants. He emphasized his desire to play for the club in London. He wants to be there.

He loves it. The chief executive of Chelsea, one of them, Peter Kenyon, said that the club was confident that they would go through. And also Madrid has been given their consent. So this looks like it's going to all clear. He says he really wants to be there. He says, well, you know what? Let's give them it in their own words. What do you say? Let's give them it in their own words. What do you say?

Let's give them in their own Portuguese words. In their own Portuguese words, quote, I want to leave and I have got the character to tell the press that I am not aiming to stay at Real. It isn't because of money. It is simply because I want to leave. My personal aim is to be the best player in the world and that isn't going to be possible at Real Madrid. I've played three seasons and I've given everything. I think my period at Madrid has come to an end. He wants out.

He wants the fuck out. That is like a huge I want out. So they said that Chelsea said yes. Chelsea said everybody expected negotiations to go close to the wire, and that's what they will do. But we're confident it will happen. There's no hitches. It's just a lengthy process.

So that's good. It's at this point where he kind of talks some shit about Madrid. Yeah, he's saying that he's saying that basically that he feels he wants out because he feels, uh, he wants to be liberated. He said, things aren't ending properly for me at real because the directors aren't behaving properly. He says, quote,

we know they have a lot of excellent players, but then look at the way they treated me. They treated me like I was an average player. They make it very uncomfortable for me. He says, uh, in football, you know,

anything can happen and everything can change from minute to minute. But I know my potential as a footballer. I know what I'm worth and I don't feel I should be talked about as currency for someone else because he's in trade talks all the time. I don't like that. In the end, I feel undervalued. Once a player finds out that he is seen as bait in a part exchange, then how else can they feel? It's not a way to treat people. That's the way you treat athletes all the time. You play a play a sport yeah it's trade bait is a thing that happens here you gotta make yourself worth

money sir yeah so september 1st 2008 a record is broken it's a record for for transfer fee here uh he goes to manchester city for 32 million 32.5 million pounds. Wow. That's a fuckload of money. That's only about $45 million probably in that region. That's a shitload. They basically almost didn't happen because Manchester City needed to fax their offer through. But the first time they sent it, they put the paper in the wrong way up.

And all they fucking all the other team got was a blank sheet of paper so everyone sat around going all right maybe the deal's off right and they were like why haven't we heard back from them did you oh my god you put that oh my god jesus christ i thought they were gonna be so excited man yeah they're waiting like this is a done deal hey what's going on shit so uh yeah it's it's pretty interesting here so uh it's that's as dumb as it gets i would say though there so they finally complete the deal here to transfer him to move to manchester city on a four-year deal um this is the same day that the club was bought out by the abu abu dhabi united group oh so they bought manchester city and then they're trying

they're going to spend some money. Really? A big, giant Arab investment firm from over there. So anyway, from the Middle East. So his expectancy to go to Tijuana, he thought he was going to Chelsea, though. And now he's going to Manchester City. Yeah. And he's like, shit.

That's different. Well, yeah. The day he signed for Manchester, he said, quote, On the last day chelsea made a great proposal and i accepted and then a reporter said you mean manchester right and he said yeah manchester sorry literally happened at a press conference oh dude my bad they were so close to that he forgot um his father's pissed at him even though he just made a shitload of money his father says that loyalty his son doesn't have enough loyalty for clubs.

Yeah, fuck that. Kid's figuring it out, that's all. It's 2007? I mean... You gotta do what you gotta do to make the money, man. Look at us, Dad. You ever heard of free agency in the NFL? Baseball? Basketball?

That's what happens. He said, quote, there is no such thing as wanting. Contracts have to be respected. So even if you want to leave, you have to respect your word, which is like, okay, but this is business and that's not how that works. I like his thought. Yeah, and a lot of things, personal matters, but in matters of big, giant business, if

both parties don't want to be in that contract, they don't have to be. That's the point. You can negotiate things. So 2007, 2008 and 2009, he's in City, and he does well here, actually. He does his, on October 26th, he scores his first Premier League hat-trick against Stoke City. I've never even heard of that one. I think it's down in San Diego.

Yeah, I think so. No, no, that's Fort Lauderdale, dude. That's a Florida team, I believe. And so, Jesus Christ, he uh he wins over people right away they like him in manchester city because he is seen taking the bus into the city center to go shopping with his girlfriend yeah turns out though so there's all these everyone loves him and they're saying what a great down-to-ear. Wow. It wasn't even him. Somebody saw him, saw a guy who looks like him with a girl and went, hey, I saw him on the bus shopping and it was spread all around Manchester.

What a great fucking down to earth cat he is. I'm heading into Ross. What a sweetheart he is. He's so just average. Yeah. He he says, nope, wasn't me. Yeah. He says later on, he says he says quote i'm not saying

it's diminishing for anyone to use the bus i used the bus when i was younger but i haven't done that in manchester so uh yeah then they ask him something else he says i have to look for my happiness and that is going to be out on the pitch playing well and scoring goals that makes me happy nowadays i'm doing that and i feel very very happy happy here. So he loves to be in Manchester City. So he said that, quote, he's trying to, people said about him, he's trying to integrate himself into the whole life around Manchester. He jumps in with two feet and immerses himself in everything that goes around. That's what his coach said, including nightclubs, because that's what he likes to do a lot, as we know. Yeah, he loves to do that shit.

He said that he loves it here he says i feel very happy because i feel i'm well treated here by the players and the supporters and the only way i can repay that is by trying to score in every game which is what i'm trying to do so he's trying to play hard so uh yeah uh now uh it was also said quote when brazilian football players leave Brazil, it's to improve their family lives. The reason I came to Manchester City was not only for the money. If it was for that, I could have gone to play elsewhere. I had offers from Saudi Arabia and Japan, and I could have earned more money by saying yes to them. But on the last day of the transfer window, Manchester City made that offer to me. It was an offer that was very good for myself and my family, so I accepted.

So that's the other thing in soccer you can play in any league all over the fucking world and make a fortune which is you don't have that option if you're a american football player you wash out of the nfl you can go to canada and that's it that's uh yeah not a lot of other football leagues and if there are they don't pay any fucking money they don't pay more than the nfl which baseball is way worse yeah you can pay you go here you can make a fucking fortune in some of these goddamn you know other countries here he has some problems with a player there that he doesn't like a guy named craig bellamy who apparently everybody has a problem with this guy from what i was reading here he was asked about it didn't did you guys have a problem and he said quote i

had a fight with him once but then again who at city didn't did you guys have a problem and he said quote i had a fight with him once but then again who at city didn't some other players had problems with bellamy too he was very explosive in one game we played against arsenal i didn't have a great first half so he started yelling at me in english when we got back into the dressing room at halftime i didn't understand a word of it but from the little i could work out i could tell he wasn't saying nice things yeah yeah no shit if he's anything like his brother bill i get it yeah it's annoying yeah he'll overstay his welcome by like five years yeah seven years i haven't seen him in 20 so but after like 94 i think it was about over so we're saying about six years he overstayed that welcome

yeah it happens man that's awesome he said glober who's i guess another guy then helped me by pushing him away and he quickly calmed down i had just come back from a marathon of a journey to play for brazil and i was feeling very tired but it was okay and he came to me the next day and asked me to forgive him uh now 2009 he appears in a film. He's an actor now. Our boy Robinho. Oh, Robinho's going to act. He appears in a Brazilian film called Rota Comando. Comando with one M.

Apparently, that's the Portuguese commando. Rota Comando plays a guy named Soldier Martins in it. Now, let's talk about the heavyweights that are in this movie, Jimmy. yeah is bill bellamy in it i mean we all know all of us we grew up on the the stories and the great characters of mauricio bonatti obviously and uh alex moriera and thiago gustelli yeah guastatelli flavioavio Micci, though. That's my guy. I said, wow, Flavio. They got Flavio.

They got Flavio in this, dude. That's what I mean. If you're getting Flavio and they offer you a small part, you take it. Absolutely. Am I going to be on set with Flavio? Bit roll, I'm in. Yeah. Che Moises.

Oh, my God. They didn't get him. Zhao Miller. Oh. No. No. Miller. They didn't get him. Zhao Miller. Oh, no. No. Miller. Conti Lopez. Oh, my God.

Leandro Perez Bernal. This was a big deal. Fuck. It was a pretty big deal. I think they had sequels and shit. It's pretty interesting. So, Grace. Let's just say Grace.

That's it right there. Shit loads of money. He got his mom. Got his mom back from a kidnap where he's a movie star. He's in the Portuguese Fast and Furious. Everything's going great. He's the Portuguese Paul Walker. Everything's going fantastic.

He's too small to be Vin Diesel. He's probably Michelle Miller. Yeah, there you go. Michelle Rodriguez. Entirely different girl. Totally different girl. Totally different. Entirely different girl.

Totally different girl. Totally different. So, Grace, because January 14th, 2009, his reputation takes a bit of a hit, let's just say. This takes place at a nightclub in Leeds called Space. That's the name of the nightclub. It's always one word. One word means it's going to be douchey.

Don't go there. So, apparently, this takes place the vip section of this nightclub where most of our troubles take place whenever i say uh it's late night at a vip section of a nightclub you know there's police involvement happening like very soon right very soon here it's a lot of cologne in the air oh it stinks over here. Stinks. So this is we're past midnight. Packed club. Yeah. You know, people going off. Lots of people jumping. Yeah.

People jumping. All this type of shit. Sweaty and fucking humid in there. Yeah. Well, apparently he runs across an 18-year-old university freshman there, a young lady. Yeah. Who apparently what ends up happening is Rubino went there for a night out with his teammates. And apparently he kind of went away from his teammates for a while here.

And he ends up with this young lady. And police are told that she tells police that he raped her. And she said that she didn't say anything when she left the club that morning but then the next the next morning she went uh to the police and reported it and had uh under went medical testing and forensic stuff and all that sort of thing was interviewed on a video and you know the whole all the whole kind of rape you know procedure protocol i should say um so they also checked out the nightclub which holds up to 800 people they did a forensic checks on that gross forensic checks on that if it's a nightclub i would hope it would have been mopped out when the place was closed anyway so glowing

yeah it's it's you know uh they also seize closed footage circuit television footage they don't know if they're going to be able to see anything there but they got out all the videos and in the club in the club in the vip section in the vip section here that is that's the accusation now police want to question him but they're having a hard time because he took off and went back to brazil of course uh yeah he said that uh he had to go back to brazil for quote, family reasons, so he couldn't talk now. I'll talk to him another time. His family reasons were his 25th birthday party. No time to do a rape inquiry. It's my birthday, so I'm going to have a nice party first.

I'm 25 on the 25th. It's a big deal. It's a big deal. Guys, everybody out there, first things first, okay? You discuss your impending rape charges then you go to your birthday party that's how it works generally get it out of the way right you know so uh when he returns before he talks to the cops he plays in a soccer game that night and this is all a publicly known thing that he's wanted for questioning and all this type of shit and they're like yeah throw

him in the game no problem here um which is wild he he plays basically the whole game he gets his team's first goal and his manager said quote uh mark uses his name hair silver as fuck yeah he said quote he was fully focused and looking ahead to the game mentally he was in the right place he was concentrating on the job at hand and was never in any real doubt that he should play. All righty. So he gives this is he gives them DNA. He's photographed. He's questioned.

He says his spokesman says that he strenuously denies any allegation of wrongdoing. And the police say a man was arrested and questioned in connection with an alleged incident in the space nightclub in Leeds and has been released on bail. So he's released on bail here. It's an allegation of serious sexual assault and was bailed pending further inquiry. They called it. Yeah, they wouldn't name who he was, but it was out in the press already who he was. And like we said, he says that he denies any wrongdoing but is happy to cooperate with police if further required so uh yeah he uh he does any that he denies all the wrongdoing his team though manchester city what are they going

to say to this hey let's take a break and see what happened maybe or whatever he says no right away they said they have they give their full support to Rubino. Full support. Imagine an NFL team with a player with any accusation like that. Proof or not or anything. Nobody's ever said he has our full support. Never. They would be like, we're going to wait until all the information comes out before we make any comment. That's what you'd hear.

Not, he has our full support. Full. Undying support. That's horrific. Yeah, he is their most expensive player as well so maybe that has something to do with it uh manchester city said quote the club has been liaising with and assisting both the player in question and the authorities in relation to the west yorkshire investigation both parties have given the full support of the football club no charges of any

nature have been brought against the player which isn't true and no further statement will be made whilst the investigation is continuing i love that word whilst yeah yeah we don't use that over here yeah you sound like an asshole if you use it here because it's the accent yeah whilst it sounds nice and british if you're like hey whilst you're over there grab me one of that sounds like shit doesn't it i hear wilst a lot yeah hey jimmy whilst you're over there let me ask you something whilst is something are you bald itchy so uh yeah they they arranged for all this and he strenuously denies everything but the team is mad at him for something not an arrest not a fucking rape arrest what'd he do they're mad at him because uh apparently he when he left he took off and went to brazil without permission that's what they're mad at

him for from the team so they wanted him to play he's a wall he's a it was a wall when he went for his birthday party which he was you know running away from police questioning him pretty much right it's not it's not the birthday i mean that happens to coincide. Yeah. Now, the alleged victim here, they find out some information about her. Apparently, her father was brutally murdered when she was 10 in front of her. For Christ's sake. Which is wonderful. And has had, you know, she's... Has some lasting effects.

Has some lasting effects. But she's been a wonderful student, everybody says. And I think she was on scholarship to the school that she's at and everything like that. And the girl's mother said, quote, we are going to take this as far as we possibly can. So very soon after that, the police dropped the matter entirely. What? They dropped the matter. Yeah.

They said that they released him. They said a file submitted to the Crown Prosecution Service who decided that no further action should be taken. decided that no further action should be taken. And yeah, Rubino's advisor said, I'm pleased to announce that Rubino has been cleared of all allegations of rape. He's maintained his innocence through the police interview process, and I'm delighted that no further action will be taken. Rubino is a hardworking family man who's extremely passionate about football. He now wishes to focus his attention on Manchester City

to help create a successful end of the season i don't know if i like that or if i hate that i don't know i don't know i mean i don't know what the proof was i don't know right on one side of it i i like the wording of that it doesn't even say whether or not there was sexual contact or or whether it was consensual or whatever they don't give any i like that they didn't call her a whore or something. There's none of that. But on this side of the pond, they'd be like, we've deemed the sex to have been fucking. Yeah. Consensual on both sides, which is that's crazy. Yeah.

So now we have no idea what happened. Basically, it's incredible that they keep somebody's personal life private. That's kind of nice for them also. Yeah. Yeah, they do. Well, they keep their names very private in Europe, which they don't say anything about. What we have determined was there was no rape that we can. Yeah, yeah, they do. Well, they keep their names very private in Europe, which is good. But they don't say anything about what we have determined was there was no rape that we can charge.

Yeah, that's it. That's all. It's not even that there was no rape. No. It's that we can't do anything further. That's all we're saying. Yeah, they don't even know. That's, I mean, this shouldn't go further.

So they might not have the proof. They might not have witnesses. They might not have people back out. In America, there would be way too much explanation to this. The girl, the young lady could have decided that she didn't want to pursue it anymore. You never know. I mean, because this is a really famous thing. And especially in Manchester City, it's a very fucking big in the media.

So I can understand that. I do like that they're doing it this way. But at the same time, I kind of hate it. Because what if she was fucking raped? And I'd like to know what's your explanation for letting a maybe rapist go? Oh, absolutely. Well, one of the explanations could be that he is Manchester City's top goal scorer that year with 14 and the fourth top scorer in the league. So that's probably I mean, if there is anything shady.

Yeah. I mean, he's such a good kicker. So if there is anything shitty that's been covered up, would assume that's why it's coming back right there so uh in 2009 he's a member of the brazil team that won the 2009 confederations cup in south africa he played in every game in the competition there uh and there uh oh they beat the u.s three two in the final to win the tournament so 2009 he marries the mother of his son oh uh vivian googlia man googlia manetti okay whoa that is a name googlia manetti uh her in spain i know and she's his childhood sweetheart wow as a matter of fact that's an italian from peru or brazil is a shitload of italians in south america it's

popular i want to say argentina has the second most number of italians outside of italy more than here more than anywhere yeah a lot of them sense because it's a easier shoot over yeah that's that's what happened catholic as fuck they were a little more accepting too so if you couldn't get in up here maybe you went down there and it's you never know how people back then people you know it was hard you know what my grandmother told me about the story of how her father got here besides mind your own business besides mind your own fucking business she told me this is the story i can't believe she told you this it didn't say what about your own business no she brought this up she said this was a to show that how badly he wanted to come over here now that they were they lived in italy obviously there's 10 brothers and sisters

and my grandfather great-grandfather her father would go back and forth to america yeah right that's what he would do he'd come back and he'd knock the mother up yeah and then the kid would be named after the boat he took to get over every i swear to god my grandmother's real name is loida because he was on the ss lloyd literally so he named her loida that That's what happened. So he first got to America to go here back then, because they didn't come here until the 40s. But this is, we're talking early, early. I'm not good at history, but that means you have a great grandmother, a great aunt named Nina Pinta in Santa Maria. Exactly. So he told the family that him and another guy, they just started rowing.

And next thing you know they were in america okay that's that was his story all right so a shady entry of some kind obviously they didn't want to tell the legalities of it don't worry about it we just started rowing we quote started rowing next thing you know next thing you know statue of liberty from fucking a brucey right take you like fucking two years you couldn't get around italy the other side for christ's sake you'd have to go around to the west side and then we woke up seven years wild said oh look at that lady liberty we're gonna give you you're tired all right yeah tired. You're tired as fuck. Okay, so very shady. Anyway, we just left, went places.

Hilarious. Got in everywhere. So anyway, that's his childhood sweetheart that they have dated since they were in elementary school, literally like that young. They were seeing each other for 12 years here, and they're 25 years old, so that tells you a lot. Yeah, he said that at the wedding, he was surprised to see all the star-studded collection of people there at the ceremony. He said, quote, I'm very excited. The party was exactly what we dreamed of. Now it's time to drink and celebrate with my friends.

That's when he got married. He made some stupid. He always makes his dumb face at the camera, where a goofy like sticks his tongue out oh boy bulges his eyes out he's a goofball jesus he's a fucking goofball 2009 2010 uh he missed three months of the season due to injury um here and only played in 12 games that year so uh and also didn't get along again with his coach this year. Didn't like him. And he got into a fight with that Craig Bellamy guy again.

So apparently he got into a physical altercation as well there. So due to this, he falls down in the pecking order a little bit of the lineup. And he wants to get out of there. He wants to. So what they do is in January 2010 they uh loan him out on a six-month loan deal back to his home team of santos really so full circle here so uh yeah he's doing great he uh he said that uh you know he gets back down there he returns to brazil he's very excited obviously otherwise you know except if he gets kidnapped other than that he's going to be very excited plays a lot of soccer here.

Jesus Christ, he returned. What the fuck does that mean? I hate soccer episodes because I love them and then I got to talk, like I try to talk about something about the game and I don't know anything.

So I wrote something down understanding it, but then when I read it back to myself, I'm like, I don't know what that means. Now you know my pain on my list over here.

I can't fucking... Maria, Maria, I don't know what this means now you know my pain on my on my list i can't fucking maria maria i don't know what at least a name makes sense i'm trying to fucking it's a first and last name i'm trying to like figure out if this is a good or a bad thing what is this easy for you to say i struggle every week so he said he wanted to remain with santos rather than return to england but manchester City refused to extend the loan deal. And so that was that. And Santos couldn't get him on a permanent basis. So he returned there, but he still wanted to leave. And a bunch of Turkish clubs offered negotiation, transfer negotiations with Manchester.

But Rubino rejected a move to Turkey, declaring he would rather move to a club in Spain or Italy. Yeah. Duh. Yeah. Two of the most beautiful a club in Spain or Italy. Duh. Yeah. Two of the most beautiful places in the world. Or Turkey. Complete piece of shit. Turkey's actually pretty, though.

Yeah, but it's a mess. They have some problems in Turkey, let's just say. It's not great. It's not as bad as a lot of places, but it's not. I hear their baths are nice. It's not perfect. Yeah, they've got great beds. Let me tell you something.

Terrific. So, 2010, Rubinho was named in the Brazil squad for the World Cup that year, where he plays there. He scored in the second round match against Chile as Brazil won three to nothing that game, advanced to the quarterfinals there, and they ended up being eliminated anyway. It doesn't matter. 2010 and 2011, he he ends up uh moving to milan now manchester city dumps him off on milan for a fee of 15 million pounds 18 million euro for a four-year contract so he's doing great here uh he makes his debut he uh starts in his first game and everything else his first goal uh came i guess i was in the third game there he continued he did well goal scoring here he was doing pretty well

he uh scored the first goal for milan against samp samp doria but then giampolo pazizzi equalized on the hour mark to end the draw do you know what that means it means it was one one nothing now it is one exactly i tried to figure that out and i was like yeah that's what that means so uh it's easy to figure out but when you throw those names in there it really fucks the whole thing up things what's the gianna paolo oh jesus and gian pa gian paolo yeah gian paolo i wonder what that is in soccer terms it's just a guy guy. It's just a guy. Pazzini. Right. So he scores again December 10th.

He scores his second goal for Milan against some other team here. He's scoring decent amounts of goals, whatever, here. Anyway, April 20th, 2011, he has another son. And unfortunately for him, he can't name him Robson Jr. Jr., so he just names him Gianluca instead, which is very Italian, and he's in Italia. He's there, so why not? I know, like, 12 kids back home named Gianluca. So there you go. So that year he had 45 total appearances and 15 goals, which seems good.

So an international play here. He, I don't know, he played for Brazil, and they lost. There you go. So 2011, 2012. You want to know more played for brazil and they lost there you go so 2011 2012 you want to know more no there you go he started there taking part in milan's win over a couple of people he did well scored 11 goals all together in competitions with milan in 2011 2012 problem is people are starting to piss and moan about his off-field shit yeah saying he's got an attitude he's not professional all he does is fucking party, all he does is have huge, lavish parties and spends money and acts like an asshole.

I mean, it's awesome that you're contributing to economy, but Jesus Christ, man. Calm down. You know what I mean? Take it down a notch. Stop making a spectacle of yourself. These are Italians telling them that. Right. You gotta be pretty fucking ostentatious for a bunch of Italians to go, hey, why don't

they get down a notch? You got to really up the look at me, look at me when you're offending people that created the Lamborghini. How much jewelry do you have to wear to offend an Italian? You know what I mean? Honestly. the people that created i don't know the douchiest car that is a rocket it's pretty cool but still fuck yeah it's fast as shit but anybody that drives one you go oh look at this asshole yeah i can't afford a

three hundred thousand dollar car three thousand two seater what the fuck imagine there's cheaper ways to tell us you suck. Right? Tell us you have nothing to do with your money with that. So 2012, 2013, he is close to signing with his old club here, but it falls through because he wants more money than they're willing to pay. So they manage to... Santos reaches an agreement with Milan over the transfer fee, but there's

a little sticking point here because also in January of 2013, he's at a Milan night club. Oh boy. Oh boy. Exactly. Yeah. Apparently he's at a Milan night club. It was him and his wife and some teammates and other friends.

All sorts of people went out together to this club. He's got his wife there. He's got his out together to this club he's got his wife there he's got his wife there yeah he's got his wife there that's a jimmy just breathed a sigh of relief that's a best case scenario not so fast so um yeah there's another there's a woman there also who they know uh they know this woman but they've seen her before uh she's there with two of her friends and uh yeah so that's how that works now this woman who's there with two of her friends. And yeah, so that's how that works. Now, this woman who's there, this young lady, says that after her two friends left, Rubino took his wife home. So he said that he figured that was that. She figured, you know, I'll hang out for a while.

My friends left. I want to stay. Rubino is gone. Whatever. I'm dancing, doing my thing. Problem is he took her home and then returned to the club, which is interesting. Takes her home, comes back to the club, and all of a sudden, she claims that he and his friends

started showing her extra attention. He and his other players and other guys, like these are Brazilian nationals that are with him, friends of his. And he didn't say gross because they're Brazilian. No, no, extra attention. Timing was the timing. Timing on that one. It's everything. Yeah yeah he's got other brazilians gross that's that's exactly how that went that's exactly how that's that is because i'm slow and i registered extra attention

and i have to be going and catch what you're doing and stop it before it becomes a problem while we're going i have to be like and then this happened oh we're gonna get in trouble for that okay someone's gonna misinterpret that oh hold on or speed it up with or if either one so jesus christ gross go on so they're paying her extra attention and they start offering her multiple drinks alcohol here of course she says she was forced to drink she said they were basically forcing her to drink to the point where she became unconscious there and what she says happened in the in and out of consciousness was she said that robinho and a friend raped her as a team oh my and then gave her over to four other friends of theirs.

Sweet Jesus. To do the same with. It's turned into a fucking Hell's Angels party. In the bar. In the club. In the club. Wow. Yeah, this is in the fucking club in Milan.

I get it that, again, I get it it's Italy, and there's a lot of fucking hedonism and shit, but not in the club. No. Not in the club. Jesus Christ. And don't, I'll tell you what, hedonism and shit, but not in the club. No. Not in the club. Jesus Christ. And don't tell you what. Don't rape anywhere. How's that?

Just don't do it. Let's not do that anywhere. Let's just not rape anywhere. Start with public and then extend it to the rest of your life. How's that? Rubino took Mama home. Yeah. To get rid of her.

What the shit, man? Come back. Yes. Like I said, he and another man raped her handed her over as it was put to four other people who also raped her as well um also they said that this they repeatedly raped her this wasn't like a one thing and uh in the documents in the court documents they note how witnesses said that they humiliated and abused her verbally and adding that they laughed through the whole ordeal, demonstrating what the court called an awareness of future impunity. Unbelievable.

Yeah. So Italian authorities, Italian authorities do this. They have an investigation, all sorts of witnesses, DNA found on the woman's dress as well in a Lewinsky situation. Yeah. They concluded that they took they took her she made her unconscious basically um and they took advantage of her and raped her multiple times is what the police are reporting here um so this is uh she's an albanian woman that's what we know about her but not her name or anything like that the uh four there two of the men have been caught he and his friend and

then four of them are still on the loose by italian police his lawyer here uh said that quote we clarify that he has already defended himself from these allegations and insist he had no participation in this in this episode all legal provisions are being taken here so wait he's good oh there's another one no no he's saying we talked about it to the police and so we told them we didn't do it and he didn't do it and that's that walks out he's feeling pretty good about himself obviously you know what i mean yeah fuck man i beat it twice goes back to his house he's like tells his wife to make him food probably because he's so he's feeling like above the law here he's like make me food slaps his son yeah get away from me boy like sends him somewhere else

i'm gonna dominate the couch just as he's doing that though there's a doorbell rings he's like god damn it jesus fucking christ i can't relax in my own house for five seconds he opens the door real arrogantly just doesn't care and he's very surprised to see before him it's the mexican pimp guns blazing. And he says, How is it you've come to arrive here? Why are you here? Why? By the way, if you had taken this girl, now let me tell you, if you had talked to this young lady

and you said to her, hello, I would like to sell you for the sexual pleasure of men. And you tell her how good this life would be for her. And then she says, please sell me to all the men that you can. That is how you operate. You don't take the pussy. You talk the pussy over to you. That is being a pimp.

You, sir, are nothing but an animal. And I am very disappointed. I do not like you anymore. I will go now. I am disgusted to be in your presence. Goodbye. Poof. And he disappears.

Unbelievable. In a cloud of tequila, bullets and everything else. Rubino's very confused oh very confused verbal oh god the explanation of what a pimp is yeah it's vile that's what it was and even that's so much better than what he did that's how gross it is it's a sliding scale of growth it's all relative here it really is so uh yeah as much as you hate james woods and casino that's so much worse yeah unbelievable yes that's what i mean so uh 27 unless you hate james woods

at all in person casino on family guy family guy in that fucking michael j fox movie where he plays a cop for fucking the hard way so uh 27 total appearances this year, two goals. But let's face it, the main problem is the rape charge. That's the main issue here. Yeah. 2013, 2014, this is still going on. Wait till you see how long this goes on for. This happened in 2013, mind you.

So he suffers a groin injury in the preseason here, which is fitting. Wouldn't it be great? That's good. He should have a groin injury. the pre-season here which is fitting wouldn't it be great that's good he should have a groin injury i hope somebody punched a minute that's what was kicked nope yeah right there uh before he uh suffered that he missed a penalty shot but then uh scored a goal and then hurt himself so there's that so and he goes back to santos again in 2014 and uh he arrives there on a new loan and down there they don't mind him at all they don't they don't care what he does in italy um so he uh he gets a he's paying jesus christ six hundred thousand dollars a month and then milan will pay him four hundred thousand dollars a month

he's making a million a month that's insanity i don't know how the fuck that that's 12 million a year that's okay wow i don't even know what to say about this um yeah this is fucking crazy so he scores his first goal in his return after in his first game back here and uh the team wins two to nothing scores a second goal a couple days later he's on a roll there who gives a shit anyway he uh ends up in 2015 going to China to play for Zhangzhou Evergrande. That's what he plays for. Spanish places out there? I don't know. Evergrande?

Evergrande? It's got an E on the end. I don't fucking know. In Arizona, that's grande. Yeah, there the fuck is. At Taco Bell, that's grande. It's a big taco. It's a big taco.

Let me get a grande enjurido, please, as we said before. So he signs a six-month contract here. It's the Chinese Super League. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Super fireworks. Super happy, terrific.

Number one goal-scoring league. Fireworks league. Fireworks, sparkler, excitement league. And dry cleaning. Right. and this and that and because that's what i like about like a if you find like a chinese-run business like if you go to milwaukee there's all of those or not milwaukee minneapolis there's all these businesses with names like that and they do like eight things it's like i'm they have a dry cleaner and they have a shop in the back and like a grocery and a thing. And I'm like, this motherfucker found every niche that people are asking about. And he's like, I got it all.

It's fucking brilliant. I'm impressed. It's like a long John Silver slash Pizza Hut. Yeah. Like, wow. Why do you want those together? If I want to have diarrhea from either thing, I'm covered. If I want to eat old fish or if I want to eat fucking terrible pizza.

That's the beauty of that place. The chicken and the fish taste the same. It's the same shit. Just deep fry it, man, in the same oil. So who cares? Jesus Christ. So he plays here, like we said. They won the Chinese Super League season, his team, I guess.

He had three goals and 11 appearances. He also owned a club while he was over there like a nightclub oh a chinese nightclub soccer club no a nightclub so uh someone asked him what's the music like in china and he said it was very cool at my club i put samba songs on in the dressing room and they all used to listen to them and enjoy them but dancing i don't think so yeah so chinese people can't dance is what he was saying but i mean he's brazilian so compared to brazilians really nobody can dance it's true let's be honest here they're they're kind of let's move a different way it's ground zero for dancing down there it really is they're working that shit so he becomes a free agent at that point

february 2016 he signs a two-year contract with Atletico Minero. Oh, boy. I think it's in Brazil. Yeah, it's in Brazil. So he does that. While he's there, 2016 in April, he's hit by a lighter that somebody threw from the upper deck of his dance. Like a Bic? Like a fucking Bic.

Somebody whizzed a Bic at him and hit him. Apparently, it hurt him pretty good because a Bic from a distance will get you that'll hurt that hurts uh yeah apparently uh the the a man tried to take a he tried to take a corner kick here under heavy police protection because some people are don't like him because he's you know got rape charges yeah that happens and then a lighter somehow got through all the cops and everything and hit him in the shoulder you know the guy that threw it was like, do you fucking believe that? Score! I hit him!

I got him! High five! We don't even throw shit over here. He kicked it at him, probably. That's what he did. Just drop kicked it. Pow! There it is.

So he said he had no interest in delaying the match. And, oh, I'm sorry, the official said that he wouldn't stop or delay the match. And Rubino even picked the lighter up and showed it to him. And they said, yeah, tough shit. Kick the ball, you fucking rapist. So, yeah, the incident took place with the score 0-0. And that's what happened there.

Now, he scores 25 goals and 55 appearances that year. He's selected for the Brazil team of everything and all this shit. And he won a bunch of awards. That doesn't matter. Because in 2017, he does even more he has uh 13 goals and 54 attempts but he leaves the club when his contract expires in december of 2017 he scored 38 goals and 109 matches for santos problem is november 13th or november 23rd 2017 is court. This is for sexual assault. Back in Milan.

This is back in Milan. Thing is, he doesn't show. He stays in Brazil. He doesn't show up for rape charges. Him and all the co-defendants are tried in absentia, which, I mean, that's fine. People do that here, too. They try people in absentia here. It's not great because you can't really mount a defense if you are not there.

But from his point of view, he doesn't want to be there and be taken to jail so he's going to hide in south in south america as we'll talk about he can do that now uh the the court documents the whole court proceeding is basically they said everything the fucking happened this young lady said would happen all sorts of witnesses there's dna testimony their testimony dna evidence there's all sorts of shit going on he and all of his co-defendants are all found guilty uh-oh uh all found guilty of rape yeah so all of them here he is found guilty um which is fucking wild here um now he said his lawyer says that uh that the incident occurred some years ago. He's already defended himself. And this is bullshit, is what his lawyer says.

Which doesn't matter how long. He didn't even show up. That's what I'm saying. Not to mention it happened a long time ago. Yeah, great. It happened four years ago. It doesn't matter. Not at all.

The court case hasn't gone through. That's not defending yourself. That's rape. That shit lasts a while. A six-month statute of limitations or anything on that. That's, the statute will go a long time on that one. So, I mean, Jesus Christ, man. That feels completely illegitimate.

What if you're the young lady here? They can't even get these people in court. Right. That would fucking suck. The whole thing sucks. Yeah. I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy. I really do.

I do, honestly, but not nearly as bad as i feel for robson de souza who is a mechanical engineering designer at vibra systems inc in toronto ontario canada uh robson de souza which is a sao paulo opticians company oh no and uh yeah i don't think they they have four employees and they're they75,000 in income last year on this site thing. So I feel like the name is hindering them, possibly. Slowing them down a little bit. Robson de Souza, a professional boxer from Brazil who was a featherweight, only fought one fight back in 2001 and lost. An 0-1 career fighter.

fight yeah back in 2001 and lost an oh-and-one career fighter now and a more successful guy alexandra de jesus who is a brazilian mma legend who are fighting i don't know if it's mma or some shit jujitsu legend also known as what robinio that is his nickname so uh yes uh lots of people there so he gets confused also another guy francisco wellington barbosa de lisboa who was born a year after uh he's born in 1995 known as robinho from uh brazil and he plays uh for the orlando city in the major league League there. So he's a winger. So every time he. Change your name, man. He looks, he's small. He's like a similar type.

It's funny as shit. I thought it was him. And I'm like, did we fucking sign him here? That's crazy. Did we bring a rapist to America? To America? We usually don't let foreign rapists. It's rare. It's rare.

So sentencing comes around. And I'm sure the Italian judge said, you scum of bag. Yeah. You son of a bitch. How dare you how dare you come in this country and you are raping the girls why you do that huh that's my grandmother came in there oh mother rape oh why oh why you rape it's fucking ridiculous so anyway gives him a big long uh speech and sentencing comes around you sir may fuck off nine years in prison. Did they get him?

Nine years in prison. We'll talk about that. Yeah. Nine years for him and for the other gentleman as well. They all get nine years. Now, they also ordered that the victim receive 60,000 euros compensation as well for suffering. Yeah, it's like $80,000. in euros compensation as well uh for suffering yeah it's like eighty thousand dollars another guy in the group rich ricardo falco that's the only guy whose name we have on the group otherwise

now under italian law sentencing is not enforced until after the appeals process is complete wow it's not like here where you sit and then appeal there you appeal and you're out while you appeal and then if you lose your appeals then you to prison, which honestly seems more like what an appeal is. When you put someone away and they're already in prison, it's not really an appeal at that point. Because you can't really get that time back is the thing. Well, yeah, and you can't help with your appeal because that's why it's set up. But if you win when you're on appeal, then you just get out and now you've served all this time. But if you lose, then you get that time credited, so that's nice.

That's something. He gets two appeals, the way so you get two appeals it's like 45 appeals you get two appeals and then your sentencing is going to be enforced uh problem is under the time of the sentencing and still now rubino is a brazilian citizen in brazil under brazilian law and according to brazilian law a brazilian citizen cannot be extradited to a foreign country for any reason including to serve a rape for nothing for nothing not even murder no nothing no brazilian citizen could be extradited to a foreign country it's their law that they will not do that rape charges hang around longer than bill bellamy that's the thing and we know what he does in brazil that's the shit here um so yeah basically

with the appeals and everything uh to be filed on all this shit he could the appeals could drag out to late 2022 so that could be the end of when they actually want him to serve and then he could still be in brazil and not do shit so that's how it works his legal team put out an instagram post afterwards yeah uh and said quote regarding the news involving robinho and in the in an incident that occurred several years ago it's fucking crazy incident incident that's a nice way of saying rape he then said that he did not participate in the episode yeah those are a lot of letters that's a lot of letters for a four-letter word say i don't see rape in there anywhere now they ask rabino what are you doing he goes i'm deciding on what team to play for he's like that's my only problem where do i play i mean jesus christ he's

not under fear of extradition now because like we said the you know rape charges or whatever but if they feel like you're going to flee they they can arrest you if you're in Italy. So it's complicated. He says about what team he's going to play for. Honestly, I haven't made up my mind. Jeez, that sucks. Find out the extradition laws in each of these. Yeah, that's what it is, basically.

First, I'm going to turn off the telephone and have a break. I want to rest with my family because the holiday period is short. Gross. Good for you, asshole. Yeah, disgusting. In in 2018 he goes and signs with a turkish club people sign him to a contract i'm gonna sign a convicted rapist what the fuck wild uh siva spore signs him that's a brazilian club and super league or not brazilian a turkish club and super league here four uh four goals and 14 appearances there uh the next year for them he does eight goals and 16 appearances then he goes to play for istanbul uh basin kashir yeah there so uh yeah there's that he does that they're ridiculous

yeah um the problem is in september of 2019 his team istanbul best bassa bassica cheer bassica here uh is scheduled to play roma oh that's a problem that's uh that's in italy italy yeah uh the club is worried that he's going to be arrested at the airport when he lands in fucking italy so he's been left off the squad they left him behind to say you don't need to come here could they what if you get arrested yeah so uh yeah his his conviction who knows could be overturned or could be whatever but he actually uh could be arrested entering the country because he's a flight he's said he's not going to be there didn't show up for court they're looking for him basically how amazing would it be if uh if an italian team

bought or it's like some amazing italian person bought him for whatever team he's playing for and just moves him to italy against his will now what are you gonna do now yeah you will play for us how do you have no money like a really ridiculous salary and everything and then just cancel it out and arrest some amazing guy just buy it what a dick so august 7th 2020 he is released by his turkish team oh they released him just a couple weeks ago yep it just happened they do describe him as quote an exemplary athlete and humble and when they describe him fuck you and with an aggressive penis i hear so they left that part off uh so they asked there was a question will you what do you do when you retire will you become a coach one day

and he says quote i don't think about that much maybe i'll become an agent or i'll work with young footballers and academies i want to help footballers the same way that i was helped in my career away from football i'd like to be a musician especially a samba one i like to play the pandiero and the cavaquino. I don't know what the fuck that is. I think those are Spanish words for penis and vagina. I like to play with other men's penises and the vagina. So can't get enough.

Oh, my God. We've had plenty of this asshole. Well, you can read his book. Yeah. Robinho, king of the city, came out in October 2009 after his first rape allegation. So, yeah, it's Peter Smith is the author. You can get it for £2.98 right now in Britain there. And, yeah, there you go.

It's a hardcover. It's got four and a half stars on the ratings. Wow. Out of four ratings. So people must like it. Or there's all jerseys and all that shit. Or if you see him, call him a rapist. There you go.

That's how you can. If you see him, go, hey, rapist. Yeah. Keep your dick in your pants, rape boy. You've got no in your name. Well, it's ho. No. And he's got ho, too.

I think he took both of them not seriously enough. I hate him. He's a dickhead. Yeah. What a scumbag, man. And he's just happy as can be. And he says he of them not seriously enough. I hate him. He's a dickhead. What a scumbag, man. And he's just happy as can be. And he says he is not going to jail. He's avoiding jail.

Wow. If his appeals don't work, he's just not going to go to Italy anymore. That's all. He's just going to stay in Brazil and not be extradited. I hope he catches COVID. Maybe. Maybe he will. You know what?

He fucking deserves it. Yeah. He deserves it. But this guy's a dick. He'll probably spread it to 100 other fucking people. That's the thing. He's not going to stay home. Against deserves it. He deserves it. But this guy's a dick. He'll probably spread it to 100 other fucking people. That's the thing. He's not going to stay home. Against their will.

Against their will. He's going to get them drunk and fucking cough on them. Fucking disgusting. What an asshole, man. What a dick. Fuck. So that is Robinho, the Brazilian soccer star. And yeah, that was an episode that I didn't know he existed.

And I saw some things on him, and I'm like, hey. That was an episode that I didn't know he existed. And I saw some things on him, and I'm like, hey. You know, Brazil, when you guys create a criminal athlete, you really go above and beyond. That's too much. You do. You guys. That's the second one that's like, why, man? They're few and far between, but when it happens, you're like, Jesus.

And then they keep playing after the horrible shit. That's what's crazy. Golly. I mean, fucking Ray Rice, and rightfully so or whatever punched a woman in the face that is all that we know that he's ever done never played again we're not saying that's wrong but we're saying this guy has a rape conviction and teams are signing him left and fucking right oh are you gonna coach next year right how about are you gonna go to prison for rape what's up with that don't you feel any fucking like anything for that the other

point is he's so young he could serve his time get out and go on with his life i mean just pay your debt to society he's 36 right now don't be a piece of shit anymore yep well he's gonna not be only got nine years for christ's sake you don't get that in america no no no for for an aggravated gang rape you get more because they kept calling it a gang rape, because it was. You might get 25 for that. You're probably going to get some good time for a gang rape in a nightclub. You got a great deal in Italy. Count yourself lucky. No shit.

That's what I mean. And you didn't even make a deal. That's what they gave you. Wow. That's fucking wild. So that, everybody, is Robinho. And if you enjoyed that story, there's a way to tell us. It's to get on Apple Podcasts, that purple icon.

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Jimmy, hit me with those people now. This week's executive producers are Kelly Loff. I think that's an L. It might be Roff. I am an awful person. Name one. Starting out. Right out of the gate. Quickly, before you get, now that you've screwed one name up, before we get any further into

the name screwing up, I have to congratulate Kevin and Corey. Kevin is Sarah's cousin and good friends friends of ours we like them a lot so kevin and cory got engaged oh boy and they're getting married so congratulations guys for you yeah well the other ones this week exactly producers are ross rochester shannon oh my god gammon yes shannon gammon got it taylor hahn uh jc hansen tim haley media maven and she sent a nice note thank you very much uh cindy Shannon Gammon. Got it. Taylor Hahn. J.C. Hanson. Tim Haley. Media Maven. And she sent a nice note. Thank you very much. Cindy O'Brien.

Saquon Barkley. Deborah Durnall. Amanda Richards. Ben Brunson. Brunson. Christy Chauvin. Chauvin. It's spelled like shove in.

It's not. Chauvin. It's probably Chauvin or Chauvin. Yeah. Joanna Ahern. it's actually joanne ahern uh sherry uh paulist linda campbell chrissy ann costaldi she's been with us for three years sweetheart thank you chrissy and uh pagano jackie sukup jordan bennett and carol braun the last four they're just people that have been around for so long thank you guys so much for

everything you do truly you guys are the best other producers this week are elizabeth rose reagan white uh happy birthday for senorita melanie uh hey i doubt that's a first name senorita right uh and then we also have what am i doing man ectorina ecotorini arsenic Ellis. That can't be right. Mason Wicks, Nick Simmons, Jericho Nightshade, John Allen, Jonah McNeil. Jericho Nightshade? That's the coolest name ever. I'm sure he's a wrestler, right? He's got to be. Maddie would know last name.

Paul Lipman? Kipman. Kipwin? Kirwin. That's what it is. Allie Vandegrift. Leah would know last name. Rachel Wargaki

i gotta fucking take a penmanship class allison diem uh edward cruz brian oh it's brian buster or bustard bastard it's buster right wesley with no last name kyle anderson uh deborah bryant melissa lee kyle anderson Christy Solosinski, Hunter Hensler, Gabby Ward. No, Gordon. Damn it. Amina Sali. I think Amina Sali.

Sali. It's two S's, man. I don't know. It's a tough one. Yeah. Erica Schaefer, Emily Fitzsimmons, Lynn Gross, Tristan Sibley, Luke Ninneman, Samuel Caldwell, Greg Yor, Melissa Poulet, Powell,

fuck, Garrett Woodbury, Cricket Hilliard, what is it, Maralise, Maralise Sage, I think, fuck, Renee Swelling, Aaron Bengay, Benji, Renji, Benja, Brianne, Brianne

Ligia, Liga. Liga. Damn it. Aussie Amanda. Aussie Amanda. So she's obviously from Australia. That's Aussie Amanda. Clearly. Right.

Jacob Andrew Galloway. Roxy Beaver. Foxy Beaver. Oh, boy. Patrick Matsu. Amanda Nicole Lewis. Cody McCaskill. Alexis Wortham.

Marsha Peterson. Brianne Poland, Kryfix Juxi, Kryfix, I don't know, Brooke with no last name, Jeremy Christensen, Stephen Petrakis, Pickle Bean, Catherine Kukendall, Rebecca Martin, Megan H., or is that an N? I think it's an N. I got to get it together. Riley Mac. What the fuck?

Mackey. Etsky. No. Laura Riley. Beth with no last name. Cassie Harris. Sean Powell. Christina Peterson.

Jeffrey Tellis. Aurora Santagelo. Santan. Sant. Santangelo. I'm sorry. Carrie. Stop.

Johnny. I know it's, you know, John. Johnny and Max Price. Robert Esparza. Joe Evans. Kerry Stupp. Johnny. I know. You know. Johnny and Max Price. Robert Esparza. Joe Evans. Andre Brown. Murray McCartney. Kay Steinhilber.

Madison Grant. Mark Cardio. Cordio. Chris Moffitt. Brandon Fedor. Fader. Fedor. Jamie McKay.

Don Bottoms. Daniel Ranweiler. Christopher and Jade Hughes. Kate Houck. Julie Garcia. j uh jamie mckay don bottoms daniel ranweiler uh christopher and jade hughes kate hauck julie garcia uh what is this all right already i'll watch the fucking wire there you go uh miller maggio uh tom saldi sam harvey uh what is that kelly uh kelly king yeah, no. Carly with no last name. Angela McCormick. Amy Seufer. Alexandra Brown. Greg Fredrickson. Janet Jacob.

David Tiller. There you go. Candace Gordons. Gordons. Heather Thomas. Zen Ren. Beverly Henkel. Bethany Armour.

Julie Peltier. Sorry, Julie. James Welch, Thomas Fine, or Rhyne, or Nine, John Allen, Josh LeMaster, Rakiv Lewis, Angela with no last name, Neil Link, Gavin Musfeld, Amanda Gray, Krista Ramirez, she's in Texas, thank you, Krista. Thank you. Laura Hawkins, Casey Vandervoort, Andrew Kowalski, Louisa Johnson. Nope, that's Lisa Johnson. I'm so dumb. Evan Sirich, Dre Ensor, Austin Koenig, Shannon McKeown, Sean Thompson, Tia Fish, Gary Howard. Thanks, Gary. Appreciate you. Heather, Gary Howard. Thanks, Gary. Appreciate you.

Heather. Huey. Heather. Thank you. Tammy Hackett. Bonnie with no last name. Kaylee Spikes. Caitlin Coleman.

DM King of Beans. Cody Lowe's. Aaron Reed. Lisa Dungeon. Dudgeon. Dudgeon. Dudgeon. Emily Franz.

Kimberly Nichols. William Anderson. CW. Brendan or Brandon. she of she of Elbein. Nope. Sure. Adnerb, August with no last name. Brenda Hall, Kathy Matus, Atreyu, Kaylee O'Hara, Carly Hornack, Shana, Shana Gjallarhorn. No, probably Tyrell Hodges? Julia Jasinski?

Jasinska? Jasinska. Jimmy Valencia? Ryan Snyder? Catherine Bruzzoni, I think? I'm sorry. Kelly Gillespie? She's also an artist in L.A., and she is fucking fantastic.

Thank you, Kelly. Thank you. Holly Moquin-White? Steve Darubas? Darabasachel tish hugh atkinson viviana hernandez miranda levitt pino sorry he's so bad at italian cody pansy panzi panzi maybe it's italian also that could be anything. Tim Solomonson, Dory Lyons, Amanda Hidden, Eli Gowell, Isabella, Travis Shatima, Mike Smith, William Cordell, Max Hobbs, Antonio Nicholson, Brent McCollum, Matt Johnson, Ayla Heffernan, Will Chow, I think, Brandon Wilson, Rachel Sincere, Stephanie W., Joe with no last name, Michael DeStefano.

Nailed it. Fucking. Jimmy. That was good. Serena Garcia, Julia Schuster, Victoria Walters, Elizabeth Deegan, Meredith Martin, Daniel McGowan, The Pollinator. I forget what. I don't remember where that was from.

Some episode. So good. The Pollinator. Pause to play. Nicholas with no last name. Molly McDermott. Keegan, what did I do? Rechinger?

I don't know if that's an R or a K. I apologize. Alicia Coletta. Elizabeth Parker Stafford. Sophie Schmidauer. Schmidaver? I don't know if it's a U or a V. Pickles with no last name.

John Penrod Jr. Richard with no last name. Amber Everhart. Samantha Graybill. Tyler Bing, 1996. Jack McGee. Holly Levinson. Megan Eberhard.

Heather Stoud, I think. Kurt Nierum. Is there a Kurt Nierum that's famous? Why do I know that name? No? I don't know. Yvonne Wright. Court Seal. Jewel Jones. Jewel, thank you so much. Thank you. Why do I know that name? No? I don't know. Yvonne Wright, Court Seal, Jewel Jones.

Jewel, thank you so much. Thank you. Jewel, she's down in North Carolina, I think. I think so. Emily the Strange, Don Hatch. Katie with no last name. Rashid Bibbs. Oh, it's just Bibb.

One B. One Bibb. Zach Taylor, Amanda... Singular Bibb. Amanda Monell, Libzilla, Gabrielle O'Reilly, Casey Trentman, Tiffany Capozzi. All right. This is getting to be goddamn ridiculous. Italian, sign up for Patreon.

It's hilarious. Capozzi. Amanda with no last name. Josh Guido. That's easy enough, but that's because it's a slur. Sean Meyer, Kimberly Blevins, and Drake. Thank you both. Carly Miller, Celine

Izzy Berthowith. Nope. Berthow? Berthosown. Kyle Schutt, Marcus Longo, Marcos Mora, Clarence Tudor, Charisma with no last name, Adam Gray, Todd Horse Cochran. You know what he's

saying. I do. I don't believe him. Min Lil McGee, Patrick Corey, Matt with no last cochran you know what he's saying uh i do i don't believe him uh min lil mcgee patrick cory matt with no last name simone stridham stridham john doe nope uh felicia harrison three bugs mom isaiah swift alexica alan what jamie mcdermott sean mosley steve with no last name, Stacey Lockett, Injoli Pettis. I know her from somewhere. Or he. Fuck. It's probably she, right? Mary Breedlove.

I don't know. You know them. Why don't you tell me what gender they are? I know that person. I swear. Mary Breedlove, Matt Glennon, Jen Mosher, Jenny Mosher, Joseph DeMarcy. I'm sorry. Benjamin Rickett.

Sarah with no last name. Monica Shute. Debbie Sushwan. Amanda Press. Robin in Seattle. Happy birthday. Chad Haas. Cynthia with no last name.

Alicia Raines. Justin Lee. Riley Kyle Dignan. Dignan. Shit. Erica Fardown. Fardown. Fardown.

Something like that. Riley Foster. Kelly Moyer. Patrick Matu, Max Hobbs, David Albert, Holly Hoffman, happy birthday, and Lindsay Lowe. Thank you very much. Doreen Cruz, Macy Massimio, Sarah Lasher, Chastity Irwin, Justin Perry, Jorge Torres, Eric Castillo, Cindy Wilkin, Justin Perry, Jorge Torres, Eric Castillo, Cindy Wilkin, Shay with no last name, Michelle Turner, Allison Bailey, Aaron Tate, Kelly Kunecki-Martz, probably not, Leanne Bogie, William with no last name, Denise Simmons, Diogo Santori, Thomas Smith, Timothy Heath, Jolene Flath, Carly Mann, Craig Riley, Zach Altomus, Nikki Lundquist, Ashley Veo, Brendan Ables, Liz Vasquez, Erica Langdon. We know all these people. We do. Zoe McGeechan, Gerald with no last name, happy birthday Jackie, the meteorologist, otherwise known as a liar.

Peyton Meadows, Amanda Lipinski, Andrew Gauci, James Marder, Halls Fowler TV, Vincent Strauss, Tiana Royer, Tracy Poets, Emily Tincher, Greg Voda, Tom Locke, Mandy Knight, Eric Castillo said that, Janice Hill, Katarzyna Nienzolka, she got me again because she knows her name's a fucking nightmare, Chris Foy. Matt Matthew Rechow. Emily Taylor. Brian Crosby. And Samantha Summerlin.

You guys come through every week. Thank you. Thank you so much, everybody. Thank you. Yeah, before the shout-outs, I said people would never. There's people that would. Yeah, I'm sure. They would, yeah, just to be awful.

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