Crime in Sports - #224 - I'm Not Tonya Harding! - The Hardingness of Nicole Bobek

Episode Date: September 8, 2020

This week, we go somewhere we don't normally go, to discuss the utterly sad, and truly sorry story of an Olympic Figure Skater. She began skating at the age of 3, and rebelled pretty much ever since. She smoked, fought, went out to party, and did all the things that perfect little figure skaters aren't supposed to do... Which is fine, until you get into home invasions & meth use & distribution. It went really wrong, but can she turn it around? Pull of a triple axel while smoking a Marlboro, get mixed up with the wrong crowd, and find out that jail is nothing like the Olympics with Nicole Bobek!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks so much for joining us on another exciting, crazy, death-defying, wild, figure skating episode of Crime and Sports. Terrific. That's right. It's a figure skater this week. It's ladies night.

Oh, yeah. Oh, hoo. We don't get a lot of ladies yeah on the show it's real this is this show it's like the contents of this show is like a bar that's just dudes you know what i mean when a woman walks everyone goes oh shit who's that oh fuck it's a bar that's not ladies night it's not yeah yeah and so when one walks in everybody turns around it turns out she's tougher than any of the guys in the bar all the chicks we have you don't want anything to do with her think about it all the chicks that

we've done in this all the women that we've women athletes we've done have been like bad asses like they could kick half the dudes that we've done's asses if you think about sally mcneil mandy malone she did kick an ass yeah tanya harding beat a man with a hubcap right i mean this is good shit so today this is uh kelly lane was one that she's a water polo she was a she's also a big athletic girl but uh it was smaller more kind of uh uh well if a figure skater like you'd imagine tanya harding's like what trash figure skater this is like exactly what you'd imagine a figure skater to be and there's an underbelly and it it's awesome. It's so awesome.

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it's like screwing up natural talent transcends everything transcends era transcends gender transcends race transcends height it doesn't fucking matter if you have talent and you don't feel like using it you will horribly screw your life. So let's get into it right now with someone who did just that, Nicole Bobeck. All right. Okay, now I told Jimmy we were doing Nicole Bobeck, and he got real excited. Yeah. He was like, ooh, I know her. I know her.

Yeah. She was hot. She played for the Expos. That's what he said. I was like, no, Jimmy. She didn't play for the Expos. I dug her. You did.

I watched a lot of figure skating, surprising enough, right? That's interesting. Odd. I definitely to watch a lot of figure skating, surprising enough, right? That's interesting. Odd. I definitely watched a lot. In between playing your stolen UFC PlayStation game or Sega game or whatever, tough man, you would watch figure skating. I didn't get to play it. I got caught.

Shit, I got beat again. Eh, fuck it. Let's watch. It's on Bobeck. Let's whack it to Nicole Bobeck. That's basically what it was. I think I pretty much nailed it. Jimmy, I said that and he just kind of nodded along.

Oh, yeah, that's that's my life as a teenager. So Nicole Bobeck, born August 23rd, 1977. So, yeah, she's, you know, 40, just turned 43 now there. She's born in Chicago, Illinois. No kidding. So, yeah, yeah. and she's a she's a fun one i don't know i like the i like a chicago girl i guess they're they're a fun one there so uh and a lot of this a lot of the stuff from this there's some very good details that come from

one particular writer here for the chicago tribune who followed her because she's from chicago he wrote stories about her starting when he was she was 12 13 years old he knew this up-and-coming figure skater and then the stories grew darker over time and he's always followed up and that's uh philip hirsch from the chicago tribune so there's several several articles here where i'm going to quote his stuff pretty pretty liberally so um yeah she's born like i said in chicago her mother uh jana or yana i don't know j-a-n-a she's czech so i don't know how you would bet it's yana it's probably yana is what i was thinking too um yana is a czech immigrant um she describes nicole as

quote she says quote she was my love child so that that's how this starts. Big fan of her. Yeah, she is a love child right away. In other words, you know, this was... My favorite. No, no. Love child meaning... Like that? No, love child meaning like a lustful encounter she had with somebody and had a baby and that guy didn't stick around.

I didn't think she was meaning that. Yeah, no, that's what she meant. Because that's what happened. That's exactly what she meant. That's awesome. Yeah, not I loved her the most. She's an only child, but that's not the point. Yeah, she's what she meant. Because that's what happened. That's exactly what she meant. That's awesome. Yeah, not I loved her the most. She's an only child, but that's not the point. Yeah, she's my love child.

My lady's night product. Well, yeah, because Nicole never wanted to meet her father. This is who her father is. A man who sold balloons near the Lincoln Park ice cream stand that Yana used to run in Chicago. ice cream stand that that yana used to run oh in chicago so she her mom banged the balloon guy yeah and had had a baby and like you know didn't the balloon guy's not reliable no have you seen people that sell concessions and shit they're not that's nobody to raise a child yeah they're gonna turn them into a carny they're gonna like shoot them out of a fucking cannon or one of those big elastic band things where they bounce up and you can't have that you're gonna fuck the guy who you bought mickey ears from apparently so i don't know

what it was the lake was looking good that day the hot dogs got good to him i don't know what kind of free balloon he wandered over to her and handed her there's a balloon inside of all one of those amazing with a bell in it too a balloon balloon bell in the one believe that's irresistible that's irresistible that'll that'll make you more that'll make you more fertile actually if they give you that any drop in concession it is and there's a couple ancient in ancient mayan culture actually that's a sign that's a fertility thing they bring you a balloon inside of a balloon with a bell and then you don't even have to have sex you're just pregnant that's how it works so maybe that's what happened we don't know this lord but uh apparently not so now jana ran the lincoln park ice cream stand that she ran with uh her friend joyce baron yeah and we'll talk about that in a little bit so the this balloon man was never it's terrible i don't know what it is i'm just picturing this

guy with the big group of beholden the fucking string the big group of strings are like all those balloons where you're like that whenever you see someone doing that you're like that just looks ridiculous and they have 700 balloons in their hand i just picture that guy going around who wants a balloon it's never a man that or a person no matter who's selling it they're never put together no pants are too big and they're small belt holding their big pants they're holding 400 balloons they're not the fucking the the reason that people want them it's it's they're looking up they're not looking it doesn't matter that guy always looks like someone you don't want your kid to get a balloon from that's the thing no less uh impregnate and have his child unbelievable what are you gonna do so she ends up being raised by the two ladies

okay here uh joyce and janiana uh now joyce uh nicole is always told that joyce is her aunt so she just says it's my mom and my aunt so So that's how that works. She says that they're related and that's why they live together and are raising a daughter together. So yeah, they're raised together. They escaped. The mother escaped the Czech Republic when she was 21

when the Soviets came into Prague with tanks in 1968. She took off. So yeah, she's yeah she's eastern block you know back then that's rough times yeah so yeah these are she's a tough woman these are tough people that escaped from there so um now they ended up they were both both yana and joyce were amateur skaters back in the czech republic oh So this is kind of a skating is kind of their lineage, which is weird. We don't usually see that, but that's what happened,

I guess. Yeah. That's like I said, they're both into skating and that's how that works. So she said, though, later on, like I said,

she never met her father. There's no idea who he is except for balloon man and Lincoln park, Lincoln park, balloon man, weird people of chicago go to lincoln park yeah see if there's like an older balloon guy there maybe it's still the same guy it's only 42 years ago he should be in it like maybe 70 years old late 60s well i say how long you've been doing this yeah and if he says 45 years yeah that's her dad right

period long enough that michelle bobeck's my fucking kid is it is it yana bobeck or did she yeah no yana bobeck is her name yeah yana bobeck and like ask him questions be like hey you ever bang a czech chick you know who i think are hot escapees from from soviet bloc countries that's what i tugged super hot right boy one time back in 1975 i know it 76 whatever it would be so yeah do that everybody and uh she begins skating at the age of three wow this is like todd marinovich level you're fucking forcing your things on there right that's a lot three is young is it i guess i don't know three kids aren't sturdy walking at three well but they could fall a lot yeah i guess i guess you'd get used to

it quicker at three man plus you'd get used to it i guess like if you because you're still learning to kind of walk so if half of that's on skates you'll probably be amazing on skates you'll be very comfortable on the thing i guess so anyway she was introduced there at three years old and right away she they put her like hours of training really yeah they were both skaters and they're like she's going to be a little figure skater and period that's she never really had much of a never really she never said like i'd like to figure skate and they said we'll get you into that they just put her in it no but from the time before she could remember she was just always skating interesting which is usually a not a good recipe no as we found pushing a talent on somebody is not the way it happens no well i mean when you do that at that young age anyway i mean they could be successful but they're either

going to end up on our show or they're going to end up you know banging a string of hooters waitresses that are well below what they should be getting right when they're married to super models and shit they're going to do dumb shit like that. It's just the way it is. The Williams sisters, I don't know how the fuck they've kept it together, but man. I sincerely hope that they're managing whatever demons are back there. Because they have. Oh, they have to because they came up from a young age.

It's the same thing. But whatever the fuck, they have self-control like nobody else because everybody else can't hold it together and they're doing amazing. They do tremendous. Or they found a bunch of no men. You know what I mean? Because everybody that we seem to find have yes men. Oh, yeah.

Silver-haired, middle-aged white men in their path. Get them in more and more trouble. Maybe they had someone who was, maybe somebody was tougher with her. And we're going to find out with Nicole. She really needs somebody. Well, their parents are around, too, right? They pushed them, the parents. But I mean, they're still around.

I think so. Probably guiding them, telling them, don't fuck up. I assume so, but I mean, yeah, I guess Tiger Woods' dad died eventually. And then Tiger's life fucking went apart. Todd Marinovich didn't make it that far. So her first coach was Debbie Story. It was a skater here. She said that Nicole had a gift for dancing on the ice she was very good at it i guess she was very comfortable on skates

for whatever i don't know shit about figure skating no me neither well you watched it at least a little bit i didn't know what the fuck you were just looking at their thighs and asses yeah okay i'm just making sure and so i know your level of expertise because I don't know shit. No. All right. Good. I don't know anything about the movie. I mean, when they'd fall, that was fun to watch. That is fun.

I watched the, I loved the fucking disaster when it went bad. I loved it when it went great. That was fun. I guess. It's a fun thing to watch. When it goes great, unless they're like doing flippy spinny things, I don't know if it's good or not. I don't know if that's easy.

I don't want to know what the display is on the ice where they're moving their hands around and the preparation of the jump it's almost like when you would watch like back in the day when they'd have like the stupid american idol auditions i don't know what's good or bad i don't i'm like well that sounded like shit and they're like that was amazing man your tone was perfect i'm like what the fuck do i know and then sometimes i'm like that sounded good and they're like oh terrible i don't know what's wrong with you back to karaoke night. I'm like, what do I know? And then sometimes I'm like, that sounded good. And they're like, oh, terrible. I don't know what's wrong with you. Back to karaoke night. And I'm like, I'm apparently not a music producer because I don't know what is what here. I have no fucking idea. Well, and they don't either. Just they should just be honest because I think they do, though. That's the problem. I promise. I really think they do. Howard Stern had those

fucking jerks on and they had the no, not them, but people that know music. But they had the lead singer of Saliva come in. How long does it take you to know if a comic's shit? Seven seconds. How long do you think it takes them to know a singer's shit? Well, I guess seven seconds. Probably less. Probably less, because they don't even have to get to a thing.

You can just hear, nope. Nope, not you. Done, that's it. A comic, you at least have to get a sentence out to know if you suck but this could be done nope you're done that was way off the great point fuck off it's weird dude i guess you have to have an ear i don't have an ear for that shit i watched it and liked it that's all i know my favorite thing by the way is when they fall yeah not because i want to see them get hurt, because they never get hurt, really. I never see a figure skater fall.

They're hurt. Right? I mean, but they don't fall and have a bone stick through their leg like Joe Theismann on Monday Night Football. Most of the time, they fall on their ass. They pop back up. I love watching their face as they recover. They fall, and you can see it in their eyes.

Like, oh, shit. I just fucked my whole life up. I worked oh shit i just fucked my whole life up i worked really hard and just fucked the whole thing up but i have to get up with a smile and act like that was part of the routine not that anyone will believe that but you have to just act like i'm okay this is great hands in the air that's my favorite when it really hurts though that's when that face is all the more better it's so good the grimace of i'm chewing the inside of my lip right now my life is over and my thighs on fire this hurts that's fucking amazing yeah i do like that about figure skating so there is that

i'm not making the olympics and this is gonna leave a mark for a few weeks yeah that's that's how this is gonna work and i'm gonna be limping right perfect and i'm 29 and i don't heal like i did when i was 17 it's gonna suck going to the club later because that's what these girls like to party really oh yeah we'll talk nicole's a fucking wild one oh my god she she is wild been such great friends oh when you When I tell you describe her high school and how she was, I was like, I went out with that girl. She was my favorite. I would have been in the woods across the way going, come on, yeah, now. Let's go.

We'll go smoke up there. It's going to be fun. That's what it's like if I was in the 11th grade. So Nicole's mom says she basically spends more time on. She doesn't play at the playground or do all the shit that normal kids do. She's just her. Her spare time is spent all on the ice. That's the only place she does.

She apparently like to invent her own dancing around on the ice and she like to invent her own little dances and shit. She's creative and athletic, too, as we'll see. And like I watched a couple of her programs and she's's creative and athletic too as we'll see and like i watched a couple of her programs and she's really athletic and kind of explosive but erratic she's erratic she's like joe gilliam on the ice you know if you listen to last week's episode you'll know exactly what we're talking about just uh these flashes of wow that's amazing and then just poof boy get your head out of your ass dude what. What are you doing? Taking too many chances. Just not being focused

or not having your head in it. And Joe Gilliam didn't have his head in it because he had his head near a crack pipe. Yeah. And a pile of dust. She also has her head

in many other places. Clouds of cigarette smoke, drugs, and dude's laps. She's got her head all over the place. So not on the ice is the problem here

now she audience has always liked her because she is she is blonde and bright and smiley and cute and very like precocious and very like you know yeah very uh comfortable you know being a showman and shit so when little kids do that people think that's amazing right when they do weird little adult things because they've got all the confidence in the world yeah look at that little john bonnet go you know it's a it's fucking strange when does that turn out well that creeps me out it does it creeps me out when kids are like you know you're too little for that you are five why are you wearing lipstick yeah you should come in and go why are all these grown-ups here i'm leaving that should be your attitude what's who yeah what are you having like a dinner party

i'm leaving this sucks i'm going to my room and playing games this is totally shit this is shit so uh she did that she was very much she's a good dancer i guess so that helps a lot in this to have rhythm and things because it's part of the music. I would love to see the shit without music at all. Just do it that way. Oh, no. Is it as entertaining? Oh, you don't want that.

No, it would be boring. That's like gymnastics without the fucking soundtrack. That's terrible. Yeah. Apparently, she's got a little bit of an ADD issue. She's got an attention deficit problem, which is difficult in coaching. It's hard enough to coach a little kid and like the intricacies of an of a sport you can be like hold the bat like this keep your elbow up and

swing but to be like no you're not put your back you need to torque your hips more through the zone you can't tell a five-year-old that no they don't care especially when you're spinning as fast as they are in the air a centimeter of movement, and your head goes to the fucking ice. You better pay attention. That's a problem. And also, you have razor blades on your feet, which is another thing to watch out for. So that's something that's never...

Okay, I'm going to stop for one second on the story, but I've fucked around with people. I don't know what it is, okay? Hockey fans and MMA fans, out of all the sports we do, they are the most passionate we'll say in terms of, uh, and I use that term nicely, passionate in terms of they always want to correct you. They always want like, uh, cause they're really into their sports.

And I'm not saying that's bad because wrestling fans are the same fucking way. It just happens that I tend to know more details about that so they don't complain and they don't they don't really complain about the sport as much as they do like the fucking storyline you know it wasn't about that it was about this and they complain about behind the scenes stuff actually this happened because this person sold the company that it's a whole got it yeah it's like a history thing with them whereas hockey they're more like and mma they're more like intricacies of the sport and shit like that but one thing i'll say about hockey i won't say anything nice about mma but about hockey i will say hockey is the most difficult sport there

is i truly honestly believe that to play to play okay nothing is more difficult in sports than to hit a baseball that's just a fact. Mathematical fact. You're hitting a round ball with a round bat that's being thrown at over 90 miles an hour with movement while people are screaming and yelling and pictures are flashing. Good fucking luck with that. Nothing's harder than doing that. It really isn't. I mean, basketball is difficult, but if you're 6'10", that helps. Tremendously.

Baseball, there's no size or no physical attribute or whatever that will make you have better hit a fucking baseball better it's a do that it's practice it's hand-eye court it's just so difficult that's not you know the greatest thing in the world but it's probably the most difficult to do on a regular basis but hockey to be able to have to go and run and do the play and shoot and be hit and fight and be checked and do all this while you're ice skating is fucking nuts. That's crazy. Because that'd be a, that's lacrosse, watch lacrosse and you're like, that's a wild sport. Now they all have to ice skate too.

Holy shit. That just got way crazier. Put blades on their feet and on ice. And on ice. That puck is hard and fucking frozen and also get like a heavy rubber thing that hurts if it hits you it's a core i don't know what that shit's made out of people are checking you it's hard as fuck it's a fucking that's a difficult sport i got i have plenty of respect for hockey players i do i honestly do so that i wanted to say that uh you know hockey i joke around about

it but jesus christ mma i'm serious they can go fuck themselves. But not hockey. Seriously. So I'm fucking with you guys, too. Anyway. So they like her. They said that her, like I said, her hyperactivity kind of her attention deficit made it a problem to teach her. But she's a really good natural talent. But it was really difficult to get her to do the finer points. Her one coach, Jojo Starbuck here, who was a choreographer who did work with nicole and also an alias because he's running from the law of touching

children what a fucking weird hall of fame pairs skaters jojo starbuck is jojo said quote described her as quote like trying to nail jello to the wall that gives you an idea she's trouble she's and nicole said, I could have pushed myself harder. I rebelled. Which, if you're doing nothing but skating from the time you're three, the other kids are talking about doing things that are like fun. And you're like, nope, all I do is skate. You probably feel a little left out and a little. It's got to be hard for a kid.

I don't know. For me, it would have been. It's got to take hours upon hours upon hours of shit to do this particular sport. It does. And you've got to just be frustrated. You have to do the same. I don't want to do this. No.

Over. I just did it. Yeah. And over and over you get the same thing. All right. It's just tough. It's tough. And my feet are sweaty and my legs are frozen.

This is weird. This sucks. And it's all you do. Well, this is all you do. Well, the other kids are talking about doing this and that. I'd like to do that also. You do well this is all you do it's like well the other kids are talking about doing this and that i'd like to do that also you know this is bullshit i'm missing a you know she's not going to like bowling alley birthday parties on saturday afternoon like everyone else in the 80s she's got fucking figure skating period so sorry i'll send you a fucking town puppy and i'll

move on from there happy birthday stephanie here's the new cabbage the most 80s name ever there you go how many girls named stephanie you know growing up and laurie that's it and jenny i knew 700 girls named jennifer jenny jen every girl was named jen jen and jennifer every class i had there was probably three jens in it oh yeah there's always a lot of jennifer's jennifer very popular that's popular now that's a a tough name to have because there's always a lot of jennifer's jennifer very popular that's popular now that's a tough name to have because there's not a lot of uh ways to make that different do you know i mean yeah you're either jennifer jen or jenny there's really not much else that's it you're gonna be fur fur that's fucked yo fur niffer no yeah no can't do it niffer yeah it doesn't work like some people go by tofer and christopher which is also stupid yeah no the niffer doesn't work no what's up nips because then people just call you nip after a

while and then you're just nips yeah it's happening nips that's tough that's not fair no one wants that so she she pissed a lot of coaches off coaches would be very frustrated with her and you know having to deal with her for hours. She had they moved. They had she had over a dozen coaches when she was a kid. They moved around all over the place. They went from California to Michigan, Colorado, Florida, Virginia, Massachusetts, all of this for different for her to go with different coaches. So they would move all over the country just for coaches, which is and then that wouldn't

work. And she'd be a pain in the ass. And they'd be like, well, I guess we're to florida now because you're a pain in the ass really yeah you're too yeah you don't want to listen so i guess we're moving to florida it sounds like she went from from uh olympic training facility to olympic training facility that's probably okay that's where the coaches live i'm sure that's where the coaches are yeah they probably hang out denver has one colorado or chicago has one new york did you say new york she went to no no uh michigan colorado florida virginia all right virginia i could see that Denver has one. Chicago has one. New York. Did you say New York? No, Michigan, Colorado, Florida, Virginia.

All right. Virginia, I could see that. Yeah, definitely. It's just kind of a hub for the region, I guess. So they had financial problems, ended up moving to Colorado Springs, Colorado. For the Broadmoor. I mean, if Willis Wissman knows well. This is where they hired coach Kathy Casey.

And this didn't last very long clashing personalities between young nicole and this coach and um kathy said that nicole was an unruly child who failed to follow rules they said that she was a creative kid and very smart but needed she wasn't the coach for her basically this she couldn't deal with her she wouldn't listen at all and didn't know how to do that um she ends up finally with a guy named carlo fossi later on who kind of be that's her favorite coach yeah he's an italian guy we'll talk about him in a minute he's like an italian figure skating legend he was like the italian singles men's figure skating champion like 10 years in a row really yeah he's like mr italian figure skater

hey see yeah i'm gonna do the triple axel right i'm gonna do that oh no my pasta fall all out of my pockets but he has an amazing ass i gotta cover tappy under the ice hold on i gotta pick up don't trip on the farfalla don't trip on the farfalla what are you doing it's my flat christ what are you doing it's supposed to be smooth he's got one welded to the front of his skate as a toe pick i said that would be great just our just a rotini up there a mustacholi toe pick edgy edgy noodles like we'll go with a penny that'll have a point on it there. That'll be a... Slap a penne up to you. Or a mostacholi would, too.

That's good. The edge of a bow tie works well, too. That's not bad. That's why I said a rotini's a spiral, so it's got kind of a point on the end, and it's a spiral, so it looks like it could really tear some shit up. You could spin it right into the ice on you

if you went up on your toe. Grind it down. Like a screw going in and out. You could spin it right into the ice on you if you went up on your toe. Grind it down. Like a screw going in and out. You're going to be straight. I got to put on the tip of my skate. It's not illegal. Hell with the twirl. There's no rule against the pasta on your skate.

So that's how he became champion. So yeah, she moved back. They were moving back and forth all around the country. And eventually Carlo Fossi moves back to Italy to take a coaching job there. So that's when they parted ways on good terms. She just went. He moved to Italy. So she had to find another coach.

They moved to Massachusetts and hired Evie and Mary Scott Vold. And I guess they had coached Nancy Kerrigan before. So they're really good coaches. Obviously, Nancy Kerrigan was a top skater. So, yeah, Nicole about her father, they ask when she's asked all the time about her father. Where's your dad? And she said, quote, we have no idea where he is. If he ever comes back and says, I'm sorry, I'd say, where were you when we needed you?

When we had to sell our house and sell our business and give up things for the sport. We were down to our last penny. Where were you? Listen, I brought you a balloon. Cheer up. I was getting this new, this Mylar. You ever hear of Mylar? It changed everything for me.

See, before that, it's just rubber. They deflate so easily. It's Mylar now. I'm going to tell you. Go away, Dad. They're still inflated. They're still inflated. This is the one I gave your mother. This is what got me.

This is why you exist. Right. Here we go. I've made you a balloon every birthday. Listen. I still have them all. You still have all of them lined up in a room. So in 1990 is when, like i said she had different stories about

her the chicago tribune first of the story on her there about you know she's a the story kind of focused on the fact that she was a lower income you know one parent i guess but she has two moms it's whatever but one you know no dad present and um you know because i guess this woman isn't tech joyce isn't technically financially responsible for her at all so it's just yana so ice skating m&m that's what that's what they're talking about they're like you know she's gonna be more than you know jimmy wait till it comes up there is the detroit comes into this and everything else i'm telling you man she's eight mile figure skater. She is, dude. Wait here.

You have no fucking idea. Eight mile my ass. I love her. Fucking Eminem would be like, you're a little too fast for me, girl. She's fucking. I'll stick with Kim. She's tough. Yeah.

Nicole's a different kind of broad here. So she's like an old timey broad, like from the 40s. Like, you know, hey, I'm a broad, see? She'd be like, you don't treat me like some kind of flower. I'm a broad. She's like, you know. She drinks a whiskey. Yeah, I'm drinking whiskey and I'm smoking right next to you.

Why are you treating me any different? Right. So she was all about no father and the financial hardships of the sport and how they've had to move around and sell things and you know scrap and scrape to hustle have her have this weird life of being forced to ice skate for fucking all day every day she's acting like like we've had to scrap and hustle and sell everything we own just for me to do something fucking weird fucking weird that i don't even really want to do but my mom wants me to so i'm gonna keep doing it and i bitch and claw yeah i fight it right every step of the way half the times we moved it's because i'm a pain in the ass and my coaches don't want to deal with

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It's streaming. you can say anything judy justice only on freebie uh yeah they talk about all that a dressmaker in the area at that point when they read the article started donating ice skating outfits for her to wear so people started like donating shit to her now because she was like you know the 13 year old poor ice skating girl so 13 year old salvation army skater that's what it was that's exactly what they were looking at so people started trying to help out um at this point during this time yana and joyce baron were supporting her and her ice skating by running by running ice cream trucks

through the city of Chicago. Awesome. So yeah, they were ice cream ladies, which is fucking amazing. It's the coolest. Oh my God. Good humor, ladies. Yeah.

It's great. Can you imagine that? Oh, imagine if your mom ran the ice cream truck. Forget it. Oh my. Fattest fuck on the planet. God, I would have been so happy. I would have just been hanging off the back of that thing

like a garbage man with a cone in each hand. Why are we down a dozen of these cheesecake ice creams? I'm not sure. Where did the strawberry shortcakes go? I'm not sure, but I have to shit because I'm lactose intolerant. So can we stop the truck right now? Those strawberry shortcake ice creams. Those are amazing.

What the fuck? Skater Crunch, they were. I don't know what that shit's made of. It's amazing. The little strawberry speckle, crunchy. I don't know what those are. The shortbread on the outside? I don't know.

Is it that? It's like it's part of that. It makes your brain think it's a nut, but it's not. It's fantastic, though. I eat all that shit off and throw away the ice cream on the stick. Oh, it's so good. I don't eat that shit. The outside's the good stuff.

Give me a stick full of that shit, and I'll eat those day all day that's like a chocolate that's like the crunchies and the ice cream cake that's why do we need the ice cream cake just have the crunchies with like a microscopic layer of ice cream to hold them all together and i'll eat that like a pudding skin which i also don't need the pudding i just want the skin on top so that's another problem i have is this the coating that we just that's me too yeah i don't care big newton yeah i don't want the fig yeah the fig is terrible there's seeds in that shit you're like what is it crunchy for give me the cake cookie oh god that's the greatest cookie taste i want all newton i suppose i guess because that's fig so i just want new say it's fruit and cake just give me the fucking cake i want a newton cake just all guess because that's fig so i just want new say it's fruit and cake just give

me the fucking cake i want a newton cake just yeah i want a slice of newton please fruit in your ass i don't care i don't want your fig who the fuck eats fig anymore i get it ever yeah well in the 40s they were always back in the day they were everything if you look at like old ads everything was to either shit or stop shitting whatever they were doing back then because they were on like opium too so that they were all everything had laudanum in it so and morphine so basically they were taking things that would stop them up right they would get fucking they would have uh like the water would be not unclean so they would have like dysentery so they'd be prescribed uh laudum, which is a fucking heroin to clog them up.

And then they couldn't shit. So they'd have to eat fucking figs to shit. So they're part of a process that we don't have at this moment in time and are not necessary. So replace that shit. Give me the goddamn cookie by itself. Fig cake. Suck my shit. I'm tired of this.

Fill your cake with the fucking cake and stop that's it double cake newton newton that's all i want that's it even the strawberry ones are they're fine but it's better than the fig one that's the fig is just i just eat the cookie around the outside and throw the fig away what do i want that for right in the garbage sometimes it comes off pretty clean too like an orange peel. If you can get it in one shot, it's pretty good. But sometimes you've got to chip it off in pieces. Get some teeth marks in it.

Yeah, you're like, I've got some fig in there. Crunchy little seeds. Gross. It's stuck in your teeth. I don't want seeds in my cookie. It's genuinely the sensation of sand in your teeth. And it's gross. It's disgusting. Absolutely disgusting. It feels like it's ever it's genuinely the sensation of sand in your teeth yeah it's gross it's disgusting absolutely disgusting it feels like it's english i blame them maybe it's because

the commercials were like yeah they had the guy with an english accent saying it's it's cookie and fruit and cake and cake yeah that's why i don't think english sorry england i don't mean to blame you cookie but a newton's fruit and cake there you go i don't mean and newton sounds english i don't mean to blame you for our shitty food products. But it's probably you. But you probably did it. People are probably part of it. Nabisco?

Who owns it? I'm sure. I think it's Nabisco. Yeah, they made up for it with Cadbury, though, because their chocolate's amazing, so it's fine. So they're running ice cream trucks throughout the city of Chicago. That's what Yana and Joyce are doing. Then they end up losing their contract with the city the city just goes another way and yanks their contract contracted with the city yeah yeah

to be yeah to be an ice cream person i think big money oh yeah that's awesome i'm sure i don't know what kind of uh graft and what kind of bribery you'd have to do to get that or yeah to own a block i'm not sure what you have to do but uh they end up losing their contracts then they have nothing at that point they have nothing and it's it's a little bit difficult there now uh bobeck here nicole talking about her skating says quote i was a little twig who could whip moves off so when she well when she you talked about her jimmy was talking about her having a very nice body. He was really into it before we started recording. So this here, though, she's talking about when she was a little kid, she was just this little skinny kid and could do all this different shit.

She says, quote, You start to grow up and you start to realize you have to do these moves. Then you hit puberty and your body changes. Everything changes about you. That's what I've been going through the past couple of years and it's hard it's very hard to deal with the pressure knowing what you have to do and the responsibility you have right yeah that's got to be difficult that is fascinating too because pushing that pressure on a three-year-old you don't know how big those cans are going to get you have no idea this is going to be for her later i was reading an article britain i can't remember who it was a vice. And there was a former figure skater who does like porny type shit now, basically.

And she was talking about how fucked up figure skating is. And it was, I think the title of the article is like figure skating will kill you or figure skating will figure skating is bad in general. Whatever. And she's talking about her whole growing up and figure skating and all this shit and she talks about a girl who was 18 years old and her boobs got super huge right she had double d's yeah and she said it was really affecting her because when you go up to do things gravity will take its toll and you whatever she ended up getting a breast reduction she got like down to a fucking like a you know a a small b yeah to be able to

ice skate and then never made it wow so she just i mean maybe she wanted to do that anyway i don't know if that was uncomfortable for her she had back problems but this girl seemed to this you know skater seemed to say that the only reason she did it was for skating because she said she couldn't do certain moves anymore and then it ended up she didn't make the olympics she didn't make it anywhere and heartbreaking yeah so i mean that's a lot of girls that do that too with uh with an eating disorder and then they don't make it anywhere exactly stuck with this bulimia yeah and they're fucked for however long yeah it's horrible so that's what ends up happening to a lot of these girls it affects their psyche more

you don't hear about we we've talked about male athletes that you know are brought up from a young age they don't have this problem no they don't never have this've talked about male athletes that are brought up from a young age. They don't have this problem. No, they don't never have this problem. Puberty is only going to help their athletic prowess for the most part. You know what I mean? It's going to grow, but their shoulders are going to grow so much more. It's going to make them faster, stronger, more aggressive and all that shit. And with a woman, it'll make them stronger and everything.

But it also give you boobs and hips and things that prevent you from doing weird ice skating moves that are completely unnatural. Right. Being a normal, you know, fucking human. Get up in the air and twirl 17 times. Exactly. At a 45 degree angle. Yeah. With these huge boobs strapped to you.

Exactly. It's impossible. It's so weird because with women in sports when they're little, like when they're girls in sports, it's almost like, oh boy, I hope she never grows up. Yeah. Like, oh, I hope she never develops. Whereas boys are like hope she never develops whereas boys are like oh he's just gonna keep growing again can't wait for him to get bigger it's whereas with girls it's almost like well with the gymnastics too it's like oh man if she just doesn't grow boobs or ever get a period she's

gonna be fantastic what the fuck or if she stays the same height she is until she's 40 something like the girls become out of it almost looks like they were genetically predisposed to only be able to do this because you feel bad for them they don't even they look like they're 12 still they're 48 years old yeah i mean i guess that's i don't know man it's weird it's just weird i feel bad for these kids i really do to put pressure on these kids that have a different kind of pressure yeah very different kind of pressure so she ended up her first major skating accomplishment she ended up all around illinois and different places she lived being like the you know state winning little state titles and things like that but she goes to the uh she places second at the novice level in the world

championships in 1989 when she was 11 at the time and she was got her kind of oh boy everybody kind of looked at her there she started to uh made her presence known basically that she's going to be a force in the future here she was uh 13 years old in 1990 and there was stories about her and the stories about her being broke and all this shit were all over the place so of all people george steinbrenner bet you never thought he would pop up in this fucking story eh he usually is busy buying talent somewhere else well he's sort of doing that here i guess uh steinbrenner if you don't know who that is he was the owner of the yankees before he died his kids own the yankees before he died. His kids own the Yankees now.

He came to visit Nicole during one of her skate practices when they were in Florida, because he's always in Florida. And he saw her skate one time after he had seen the articles about her and cut her a check for $15,000 for training. Wow. So that was a big help, apparently, a lump sum like that for people who are struggling. That's not even a write-off, is it? I don't think so. It might be. I don't know. But either way.

Unless it was some fucking charity. George has the money. He doesn't care. George is a weird guy, Steinbrenner. He was so weird like that. He was a real hard-ass and an asshole and a pain in the ass. But he had some weird... He's very much a Vince McMahon.

He's a dick and he'll treat some people horribly and cut their balls off but then other people can shit right in their face and they'll just keep giving them things and they have a soft spot for him like daryl strawberry yeah it's that sort of thing it's very strange it's a weird deal so she apparently saw that gave her fifteen thousand dollars it's probably good publicity for him too this makes him sound because this was the point too when he was getting bad publicity he had just come back from being banned for like a year from running the yankees for interfering and collusion and all that shit so i think he was probably looking for good pr it's fascinating to be interfering and colluding and then he goes and uh into a different sport to be behind the scenes to well i mean could be considered interfering and colluding there too

you know what i mean yeah but it looks like a nice thing. You're like, oh, look at this little blonde girl skating around. Look at that, he gave her money. Isn't he a nice guy?

He's not a, that are creepy as fuck. Or, I want to go watch this little girl skate. Hey, little girl, come here for a minute.

I've seen you in your tutu and I'm going to cut you a check. That's a little creepy. Put this check in your thong, girl. Yeah, it's nice leotard. Hold on a minute.

Let me, there you go. Put that right in your waistband it's fucking weird so apparently he was known for favoring the u.s skaters george was and helping them get to the olympics to represent the it was for the olympic team it was a kind of a patriotism thing like you know to help the olympic team he did this all the time there's not a lot of financing behind that in terms of private you know what i mean no it's selling ice cream broke as fuck that's what i mean you gotta generate money either no this is usually it's kind of more well-off people do this it's otherwise it's very difficult we saw tanya harding was the same way it was a you know lower income

people trying to make it work there uh now they moved to to Los Angeles at one point. And then again, back to Colorado Springs again, where Yana bought a tanning salon there. And that was how they made a living from a tanning salon. Yeah, they were running a tanning salon. Let's just do whatever, man. They're ahead of their time. No, there's a lot of tanning going on in the 80s. Tanning was big in the 80s. Has it been that big that long?

Fuck yeah. The 80s was like the peak of tanning beds. Colorado's a good place to do it. That's a bunch of pasty motherfuckers. Oh, it's pastier in the mountains. Yeah. Yeah, because I watched, we were talking about watching old Cheers episodes. I saw an episode of Cheers from like 1983 and they were talking about investing in a tanning.

Really? It was a big new thing. It was a laundromat slash tanning salon. So weird. Where you can tan while your laundry goes, which is fucking weird. They had to do it, though, in Colorado to make it last here. But like we said, that was the coach that had the other issues, and they didn't get along very well. She was at the 1990 U.S. Olympic Festival that that was here and i guess she did some skating there and people really noticed her then as like possibly somebody who's going to be a future star uh her main gimmick as she skates is she's very energetic

always has a giant smile on her face has a ring on every finger and a shitload of earrings really she's just jingly and tickety-tock yeah do i not remember they called her brass knucks really yeah because she had a ring on every and like multiple rings and like a shitload of jewelry and tons of earrings i don't know that was her stick girl that was her i don't know if they were all fucking you know costume shit or what going to claire's or something and picking out something for 8.95 but paul wall's jeweler in houston apparently i don't know probably not i guess so in 1991 she placed fourth at the 91 junior world junior championships but then 92 she dropped to 16th in that same one, which could be you fell down once.

That's what that means. It's a very small margin of error here. 1992, she has a medical emergency here. She just turned 15, I think, and she was rushed to the emergency room for an emergency appendectomy. The worst. The worst. And the problem is somehow there was a complication and her lungs collapsed both her lungs collapsed during this whole thing and she almost died it was like very

touch and go whether she was going to make it or not because both your lungs collapsing is kind of a big fucking deal you need oxygen you need those yeah one lung is bad enough but both so they ended up getting her fixed up wow and getting her back out on the ice asap there can you can you breathe yeah that deep breath ah she's good jump up there we go all right she's fine that's a fucking specific that's a very dangerous surgery they shouldn't be yeah it shouldn't be it's not supposed to be but they lay you down oh it's they cut right through your muscles and everything they make you they take it dead serious. I think they do it arthroscopically now. They can now.

Yeah. If it's not rupturing. That's the problem. If it's rupturing, it's another story. That's a big deal. They have to go in and make sure that there's... That's what I had. That's a problem.

That's terrifying. That is awful. Well, apparently bad for her, too. Did you go back to ice skating afterwards? No. How was your triple axel after that? That's what I'd like to know. You know, that's why I gave it up.

That's okay. See, there's always a reason right people just think that people think that jimmy just didn't want to figure skate or that he just didn't have the desire he had the desire you take six months off and everybody passes you and it's over that's it and you know what too your desire will wane after that too because before that he was into it and then he just said you know what i think i've i think i've done my last axle, triple, quadruple, or any amount. I'm not doing it anymore. I've had it.

That's it. They say it's done. It's done. And I'm going to work for the electric company. That was Jimmy's. And that was his path of life. I'll never forget the day he risen me from my hospital bed. That's it.

He told me, look, sometimes there's a different course. Different course of life. Somebody has a better meaning for you. That's it. And it's just not sometimes there's a different course. It's a different course of life. Somebody has a better meaning for you. That's it. And it's just not on the ice, Jimmy. I'm sorry. It's a terrible fucking surgery. That's all I'm saying.

It's awful. It's horrible. So also in 1992, which is good for her. I assume she filmed it earlier in the year before her emergency appendectomy problem. She is in a movie. Oh, in a movie, an actual movie an actual film hollywood film yeah it's a smaller hollywood film but in 92 as a kid uh yeah she it's a it's called ice pawn which it couldn't be a more appropriate name she should be the lead right in a movie called ice pawn yeah

i had a friend who was a hockey player and his mom just like forced him to play hockey like he loved hockey and his brothers played hockey but him to play hockey like he loved hockey and his brothers played hockey but he was the one with the talent he was the youngest one and she would just like take him to all these traveling teams and practices and scream scream at him during it bend your knees bend your knees i am tired of paying my own mortgage oh my god dude she would yell and scream and we used to always call him hockey pawn so what's happening hp it's the hockey pawn himself look at him horrible yeah that's so she's ice pawn but that's she's not the star of the show she's just in it um it stars dan hagerty you know dan fuck is that look up dan hager he's this fucking old actor who's just like i think he's grizzly adams

the show grizzly adams i think he was with a big hair and a big beard and a big mountain man. Oh, my God. So, Ice Pond starring Dan Haggerty. Oh, sweet Jesus. Yeah. Who the fuck? Oh, he shaved that beard before, didn't he? Oh, he's been in and out of it.

But he's Grizzly Adams, I think. So, that's the point here. Starring Dan Haggerty. Oh, boy. The synopsis, if we want it here. A young man sets out to become a champion ice skater to win the Olympic gold medal. Only his promoter, as well as his coach, sponsors, and father

want to use him for their own advantage to make money from his newfound publicity. Oh, boy. Jesus. That's it. She plays Marty, M-A-R-T-I. Oh. That's Nicole plays Marty.

And you know what? Grace grace let's just say because there's a lot coming up here and i can't it can't be pre-grace what's happening it's got to be post-grace it's that's grace okay she's in a movie everybody thinks she's wonderful she survived an appendectomy yeah boom that's it that's it for her grace the best it's gonna be that's as good as it gets here really built the motorcycles for easy. Grace. The best it's going to be. That's as good as it gets here, really. He built the motorcycles for Easy Rider. Oh, did he really? I guess that's, I mean, the best part of what he did.

Interesting. Yeah, he built those. He's in a shitload of bad movies, too. Yeah, that's what it seems like. He's Mr. B-movie. Right. Grizzly Adams is like the thing that everybody knows, but nobody can never picture that guy's face as the guy.

You know what I mean? So that's what he would do. He was in Grizzly Adams, and then he would be in like every you know the star of the b movie right so you know poor fuck sad shit man but you know what he had something going for him so 1993 post grace she moves up to the junior level here and uh places fourth at the junior world championships in canada oh which is good uh 1993 here uh she drops to 16th place after she left the competition with an injury that we'll talk about uh this is wild she apparently performed a jump landing during the show and while she did it she sliced her thigh with her skate blade oh fuck a four inch gash that she was bleeding profusely i don't know if she hit her fucking femoral artery or what she

might if she did she probably would have bled out on the ice even if you open your leg at all but yeah it's sure showers fucking blood all over the ice apparently spinning while she's doing something out and in and out yep sliced her shit open her shit open and had to pull out after that. Had to get a shitload of stitches. And that's scary. I don't know how that doesn't happen more often. Yeah. Honestly, I don't know how you wouldn't.

I think you'd cut yourself all the time with those things. They're razor sharp. Not just that. They throw one leg back and then fling it to do that spin. That's what I mean. How does it come across your foot or in your shin yeah they put their leg like up against right so if you if you fuck up a little you're gonna slice your leg open like this it's unbelievable it's wild so uh 1993 she won

first place at the nationals i don't know what that is um nationals of something she's always placing like third or fourth in these different competitions and shit like that so she's always in the top part of everything i guess um she places high in the u.s nationals which gives skaters i guess placing high in these u.s nationals that's what they are helps them uh get a chance to skate in the world skating championships and then after that is the olympics so it's kind of like the ladder i guess yeah like fourth rung from the top on the ladder here what do you want to be in the top like five or six how many do they take for the olympic i think three because we'll find out later i think holy shit three that they take in 98 there are so many that do this james so many fighting three three spots every four years oh boy that's what i mean that this is it's a crazy fucking thing to want to

do that's wild that's the point yeah i don't know why anybody would take this or why a parent would be like that's the route right it's crazy when there's so many competing for it that's that's nuttier than the basketball or football or something at least there's a lot more there's more than three spots chances yeah because that's really how you the only way you're really going to make any money is if you're in the olympics have name, and then you go do a bunch of ice shows and conventions and autograph signings. Get on a Wheaties box. And you get on a Wheaties box. Maybe you host a TV show or some shit like that.

That's the fucking path that you're looking to take. This is harder than comedy. Oh, it's way more cutthroat than comedy. There's more than three clubs in the country. Right. oh it's way more cutthroat there's more than three clubs in the country so along the way here personally we've talked about her skating and everything but let's get into kind of how she is on a personal level she's fucking wild she's a wild kid off the ice she's wild on the ice so off the ice you expect her to be exactly how she is she didn't give two shits about school

basically her mom would drop her off at her school in Colorado Springs, and then she would just wait for her mom to leave and then go across the street and hang out in the woods. Fuck yeah. And smoke cigarettes and literally smoke cigarettes, dick off, and then wait for her mom to come pick her up for skating practice. She just didn't want to go to school. Wild.

So that's what I mean. I would have been in the woods hanging out also there. Yeah, cool. Sounds great. Yeah, bought a 20 sec. Let's do this. We would have been hanging out, group of people. So she was always late to the rink.

They said she was more interested in her boyfriends than skating, which she's a teenager. I mean, that's what teenagers are. They have hormones, and they're interested in the other teenagers, basically, more than skating. So she's into that, and she loves to smoke. She's like a chimney, they said, just a chain smoker. She's there. I practiced.

You turn around for two seconds. You go back. Where's Nicole? She's outside smoking. Every two seconds, she's just constantly smoking, which I think they're like, Jesus Christ. Later on, her teammates on teams will complain that she constantly reeks like an ashtray. Because she smokes nonstop, basically. She just doesn't stop smoking.

Same person. I did the same shit. Oh, yes. We all... The amount I used to smoke james was disgusting if i knew her in high school we would have definitely hung out she would have definitely been in my circle of friends you know what i mean that's totally been in my circle of friends and we're like she's they make her ice skate for some fucking reason and we would all been laughing

at her for why do you do that seems stupid right so apparently she runs away from home at 15 so which is not surprising in this situation just because she wants to rebel and you know what i mean but she's got it easy she does have it easy well you want to know why she ran away why she ran away because she was mad at her mom oh um she's mad at her mom because she found out that joyce wasn't really her aunt yeah she found out that it hurts her mom's quote unquote live in friend. Right. If we know what we're getting at here. Joyce and Yana are dipping their own way.

It seems to be. That's what it seems to be. So it seems to be. And I'm not making judgments or anything. But it seemed like I said at all. I don't care what the fuck people do. But it seems like balloon man was probably more like Sperm Man. Oh, got it.

We would like a kid. Right. Clearly, we're incapable. We need you, Balloon Man. Hey, Balloon Man. I don't know. He'll do. Literally, the first guy who they saw from the fucking ice cream stand was there.

They were like, what about a balloon guy? What's his name? Frank. I don't fucking know. You've been staring at my ass for six months yeah here's the thing you get one chance let's do it we'll give you one shot behind the ice cream stand let's go frank move it hold on watch out for the kids going to the zoo come on jesus christ frank you get one poke yeah what his balloons going moving all around that's all

you see from back and forth above the ice cream stand is his balloons shaking all around that's all you see from above the ice cream stand is his balloons shaking all around floating as it's happening like it's silver back in the hole that's it man that's all you're gonna see so that's kind of what what ends up going on here and apparently this really pisses nicole off and she blows her mind freaks out and runs away she's so fucking mad at her mom she feels like she's been lied to i get it i think that's the main part of it and yeah and runs away. She's so fucking mad at her mom. She feels like she's been lied to. I get it. I think that's the main part of it. And yeah, and I think also it's like, I just think she feels like she's been lied to and feels like she's been kind of like something's been hidden from her in her own home for the

equivalent of a 70s test tube baby. That's what she feels like. I'm adopted. Right. That was like the thing. Like, why didn't you tell me? Right. It's kind of what the fuck it is here.

So she ended up coming back after only a day though she only stayed gone a day peanut butter ran out well she had a carton of cigarettes back in the room and she's like god damn it i only took two packs of smokes with me shit yeah god damn took two packs of smokes with me fuck god damn it these are expensive for christ's sake glad i brought this whiskey though this is going to come in handy later so she comes back she says about it quote i realized i was stupid and went back home my mom and i are so close now it's unbelievable i went through through a rebelling stage we got into fights and we would yell at each other if someone heard us they might have thought it was much much it was much much worse which they actually did

think it was that much worse because later that year child welfare authorities received calls on two separate occasions uh from people alleging that joyce and yana were mistreating nicole making her do things and shit like that one of the calls came from joyce's daughter oh joyce's own daughter called for that she had a daughter before this yeah no i don't know if that's a she's mad at her mom or if i have no idea what the politics of that are between in their family we have no clue what the truth of it is but child welfare where child welfare authorities came out twice to check on calls which is something i don't know It's never happened to you all the time. No, and I was in a house where it was necessary.

I was going to say, questionable circumstances sometimes, and still nobody came. So it had to either be really bad or a nothing call. Yeah, exactly, or total bullshit, one or the other. The complaints were eventually dropped because of insufficient evidence, because if nobody wants to say anything anything happened it's not whatever it doesn't no matter what happened if the kid sticks with a story right everybody does but could have been fine so yana bobeck told people magazine at one point quote i get a lot of criticism i hear that either i'm neglecting or overpowering but every child is an individual and i go by my instincts and try to do my best as a parent.

I'm trying my best here. I'm trying. I'm running ice cream trucks. I'm doing what I can. Sometimes you got to hit them, that's all. I'm doing what I can. Yeah, sometimes you got to do it. So 1994, what weird luck she has, okay?

There's that. There's the ice skate. There's the appendectomy lung collapsing. 1994, she's bitten by a friend's labrador jesus what the fuck is going on with this girl and a lab a lab that's rare that's like bitten bad by a lab like tore her up where it was like did you not throw the ball when they wanted it to what are you fucking doing you gotta let go you gotta let go did you try to take all the sausages for yourself you fucking selfish bitch is that what happened how broke

are you at home Jesus Christ I was going to say pepperonis I thought they looked good when I was a kid you know what as an adult I've tried them okay they're not bad remember this is going to go back I don't know if they still have them or not remember we were little kids there was commercials all the time for the ones that look like little

t-bone steaks yeah remember though I wanted to eat those so fucking bad did you try one I never had it i didn't have a dog i always wanted one so i couldn't like be like mom can you buy dog treats when we had no dog that would have been a dead giveaway as stoned as you get today you might if i had them i could because you know what they look like a bag for the they look like cartoon steaks remember on a cartoon when they put a steak on the grill look just like that so that's why i thought it looked delicious because cartoon food looks the best i've never tried those but the pepperonis i have just because they look and smell amazing they kind of do begging strips smell great too not so great no the begging is a little better

i bet those steaks are awesome i bet those little t-bones are the best smoky oh i bet they taste just like a fucking let's try like a like a new york strip i'm not afraid medium rare i take mine jimmy bring them over i'll fire up the grill let's go you know get a little tiny spatula out and we'll do it 10 seconds on each side i think so we just you want a light sear medium rare at most you don't want to go too much. I'm trying. It's not going to be juicy anymore. Dry those fuckers out. They do look raw, too. They don't have any grill marks.

No, that's what I mean. They look fresh. Oh, if they had grill marks on them, I would have bought them. I would have bought them. I swear to God. I would have said, they have to be good. Already done. I almost ate dog ice cream one night.

I came. They make specific for dogs? Frosty Paws, they're called. Frosty Paws. they make specific for dogs frosty paws they're called frosty paws they have these they come in cups that are just like an ice cream cup for a human like those paper cups with the lid you pull off if you had like a wooden spatula thing is amazing so one night the fact jesus christ back when we first got frankie yeah and she got her dog ice cream because it was hot and i was like okay dog ice cream whatever i wanted ice cream so I was like, okay, dog ice cream, whatever. I wanted ice cream so bad.

I was like two in the morning. Like soft serve or like real ice cream? Like ice cream. I just wanted some ice cream. I like ice cream at like three in the morning. I'm a late night ice cream eater. Yeah, I'm high as shit. It's perfect.

I'm working. I'm eating ice cream. So I wanted it so bad. And I looked in our freezer. You know when you look in the fridge or freezer like three different times for something that you know you don't have anyway but you're like maybe it's under there right i guess i didn't look behind the fish sticks so maybe i have a half gallon of some of the pizza pockets obviously got a half gallon of haagen-dazs back behind the fish sticks obviously it's clearly what's going on here no it didn't happen but we did have frosty

paws yeah which look exactly like ice cream it looks like vanilla ice cream so i'm like how bad can it be and then i looked at it and it says not for human consumption and i looked at the ingredients and it's not ice cream it's not so i didn't need it but i considered it real hard i opened up the fucking top of it i was like i could eat that it just looks like ice cream it looks like soft serve ice cream that's in a cup. I was going to get because we had like some syrup, like chocolate syrup. If I put syrup on it, I bet I could make this. Yeah, probably blend it.

It'd be even better. I put a little milk in there, make a shake or something. I don't know. What I'm saying is dog food looks delicious to me. Apparently, I put some crunchies on it and call it a day. I fucking sprinkle it on there. I think I'm onto something. Not for human consumption.

That's embarrassing. Yeah, until I read not for human consumption, and I went, how much not for human consumption? My mother told me that she caught me in the pantry when I was five, eating the dog food. Since that day, and I know physically i'm i'm still alive so since that day every time i get something for my dog and i'm like that smells good i'll give it a try i'm not scared that way if he's not eating it you could be like well fucking good it's mine now good enough for me i ate turtle food a bunch when i was a kid for some reason i had a friend who had a turtle, and he was like, it's pretty tasty. And I went, what?

And he ate a piece, and I was like, all right. And I ate a piece. I was like, it's not bad. Gotta be honest with you. It supports that living thing. It'll support me. It was like flakes. It was like fish food almost.

Yeah, what the fuck? Whatever. I'll eat it. So anyway, back to her getting bit by a dog i guess i don't know where the hell that came went off the rails on but she was fighting over the pepperoni i could see it you know what that's that's what i'm saying she's broke man maybe maybe everybody left the house and she's like fuck it the dog's got a bowlful he doesn't need all that she buries her face there the dog's like fuck you that's mine squaring off it's

fucking thunderdome it's the only way a lab gets pissed if you, that's mine. They're squaring off. It's fucking Thunderdome. It's the only way a lab gets pissed, if you take that shit. Those sweetest dogs ever. I know. That's what I mean. To get bit by a lab is talent. Yeah. So she was able, though, to attend the 1994 competition in Philadelphia, but she had bite marks from the dog on her neck, clearly visible while she was skating.

On the neck, James. On her neck. They were fighting over the kibble, for sure. Yeah, a fucking labrador that goes right for the jugular jesus christ that seems like a just laugh ever it's like an snl sketch oh my god well this dog like wags its tail you know and like just kind of attacks while the person holds the dog onto their neck that's what this seems like well it's sucking your jugular. It's not actually. You're like, oh, God.

The dog's just licking you. Right. Nice to see you. So she did that. She also has had multiple injuries to her hip flexors around this time. And that'll be a constant source of problems for her is hip flexor injuries. I've never even heard of it. I don't know if that's from torque yeah that's like uh normally guys will get that if they have a lot of torque in their legs

very powerful football players get hip flexor injuries yeah from uh pushing off usually people with cleats pushing off with excessive torque get that sort of thing okay so that's what they thought bo jackson originally was hurt with was a hip flexor hip pointer which they thought was kind of sort of the same thing, but not really. But anyway, she makes her first appearance at the Senior World Championships in 1994. Already a senior. Jesus Christ. She's an alternate at that point.

But she ends up making the appearance because both Nancy Kerrigan and Tanya Harding drop out of the event yeah because of obvious reasons because the problems they have the problems they have that we went over clearly on our tanya harding episode so she was the benefactor of that sorry the beneficiary not the benefactor she's the beneficiary they investigated her after that too because she's the one that that benefits from it she was outside smoking right smoking fighting with a fucking stray dog over a goddamn begging strip you're like she had to have something to do with this taylor swift is soaring high her every move

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You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. So she was coached by E.Vott vold uh until the summer of 1994 then she changed coaches to richard callahan that she this is she was good under him i guess he was like a disciplinarian and was very strict which is what the fuck she needs yeah but then she kind of gets to be an adult she's like well i don't have to have that i need it probably but who the hell wants to listen to what you need? Right. You want to listen to what's better and easier.

I can do it for myself. Exactly. So it turned out to be helpful for her, though. She ends up, though, going back eventually with Fosse, that guy from Italy. Yeah, the Rotini in the skate there. So him and his wife, Carol, I'm sorry, his name is Carol. His wife, Trita? Yep.

C-H-R-I-T-A. Wow. Trita? Wow. Trita? Trita. Trita? I don't know.

I have no fucking idea how to say that. But anyway, that's who coaches her. Yeah, he was an italian figure skater he was a 1953 bronze medalist two-time european champion and 10-time national italian champion from 45 to 54 every year so not too shabby uh november 2nd 1994 yeah this is one of the main reasons we went with grace pretty early here. She is arrested. Oh, no. Nicole. Oh, yeah. She is arrested at 17 years old.

Right. What is she arrested for? I guess. Guess what she's arrested for. Drug possession. No. No. No.

I'll give you three guesses. Urinating in public. No. Next one. I'm really trying to guess it, and you'll never guess it. Buying cigarettes underage. Home invasion. What the fuck, Nicole?

Didn't expect that, did you? Who's the fuck didn't expect that did you what who's home didn't expect that well it's a weird little thing here um okay first of all too i want to show you that's really i want to show you her picture at this point yeah that's her okay that's her picture good lord very attractive objectively attractive she's a pretty girl yeah she's a pretty girl you know cute young whatever okay so keep just keep that visual in mind oh i know that picture yeah for later keep that in mind he's like i have whacked it a lot to that picture that's the girl that was on esv that's the one there so now yeah apparently she it was at a friend's home near someone who lives a fellow skater who lives near the rink in detroit where they practice okay detroit at this time she's in detroit this is when she's in like suburban detroit she entered the friend's home by entering

their security code through the garage door oh boy and went into the home uh there and we'll find out what happens once she went in there but the her attorney is just like hey hey come on maybe once come on have you seen her picture she's super cute like adorable come on do that hold on spin around with those skates we are showing what you can do say look at that you're not afraid of her are you not guilty uh he's it's this michael friedman is his name uh he said in an interview that uh it was bobeck was friends with this person whose house it was. She had often visited the home and had at one point been given the security code by the friend. Not to come that day, but it was given to her. She didn't tie her up and waterboard her to get it, I guess.

Or she looked over her shoulder. Yeah. He said, quote, Bobeck went to visit the skater and found no one home and just entered the house to wait. Simple. No. Don't you come to my house, break in, sit on my couch and wait. There's a little more to it, too. He also said, quote, she was just going to see her friend.

I assume she was just waiting for her friend to come home. The girl's father came home and confronted her. The allegation was that she had money in her hand no money was taken out of the house well here's what happened that's a really that's massaging it in a i mean like a fucking geisha woman this is a flowery caught in the act of wow that's a happy ending right not even a fucking massage He's happy ending the truth. He gave the truth a happy ending. Leaving ropes of truth across her belly. Yeah.

Now, she says, too, it was a misunderstanding and a mistake. And she says that, quote, she was in the wrong place the wrong time. That's what she said. Her lawyer also said, quote, she was guilty of a youthful indiscretion. She shouldn't have been there. That's fine. But certainly this doesn't come close to approaching the tanya harding nancy kerrigan fiasco okay he's doing

what about ism with teenage skaters well what about those fucking they're a fucking disaster we aren't comparing man she didn't like club but yeah no he well he wants to yeah that's what what about ism is that's what he's doing he's like but they're worse that's fine back to this so uh 17 year old did somebody else's house yeah so i mean if it was what do you think maybe she came in walked in maybe it was like having a glass of kool-aid at the counter maybe like you know take a couple chips ahoy it's about the worst of it well no she went upstairs to the master bedroom and was in a closet and uh was rifling through a purse with a with a bunch of cash in her hand at the time when the father the man who owned the house walked in and found her in his closet right rifling through one of his wife's purses holding a handful of money

what are you doing here i'm waiting for your daughter yeah oh just hanging out waiting this is not good no okay no it's not good um I guess she put the money in her pocket quickly, and then when she turned around, like from that, he had saw her doing it, and he confronted her, and she ended up hanging out of her pocket, so she gave back the money. That's why the lawyer was like, no money left the house. That's because she had to give it back because a person fucking confronted her. Because caught she was caught taking it if she hadn't been it sure would yeah there was apparently there was apparently the the owner of the house insists that there was other money missing and that this was an ongoing thing and that he finally caught her basically got it that's

why the owner of the house is like no no this no, no. This isn't a one time little, oh, a teenage kid bullshit. We've had money missing for a long time. And this is where the fuck it is. That's a very brazen first day offense thing. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. You just finally got caught at this one. And that's what the owner was trying to tell the police.

But the whole legal system kind of didn't really want it to go so bad for her though you know yeah you know how it is here um she uh they said she just you know she added the security code it's fine uh but the problem is here that her this is it's a juvenile case and they're they're told by the prosecution and by the cops that they're going to keep it quiet but it leaks out to the press and it's a fucking big deal especially right after like we said the lawyer was having to explain it in terms of kerrigan and tanya harding so it's like a lot of focus on wayward figure skaters and then she's doing a home invasion technically yeah obviously she didn't like kicking the door

with a fucking rifle and be like on the ground bitch like you know i'll shoot your mother in the fucking face this is certainly breaking and entering uh multiplied because shut that fucking dog up shut it up get real jumpy around fucking canines get real motherfucking jumpy around labradors i will fuck that thing up right now give me those fucking pepperonis now sorry so that's a big escalation it's a thing it's a big from here to here so yeah she's her friedman here her her and her coach they also have another theory of what happened here this is this is interesting so it gets out to the public which is a big deal and they're super fucking pissed off about it obviously and her lawyer's mad about it. Her lawyer and her coach, Richard Callahan, both have the same thing.

This is Callahan. He says, quote, I don't have proof, but I wouldn't put it past some of the people in our sport. Maybe one of her old coaches wants her back now. They were saying that somehow one of her old coaches set her up to go rob somebody's house and steal money from a purse. And get caught. And get caught doing it. And admit doing it. And get fired from your coach.

Now I can get you. Yeah. That's a long way to go. Because she's going to be considered damaged goods now. So now some coach can come scoop her up. That is a big conspiracy theory. And that is bullshit. Let's just say that's a load of shit it's

a long way to go yeah all this there's someone's trying to set this person it's never true it's so fucking rarely is that ever the truth that it's not even funny is it a kid that doesn't have a lot of money went and stole money or yeah is this or is it a massive conspiracy between with a bunch of figure skating coaches who live thousands of miles away it's not the jfk god damn break that's what i'm saying relax everybody here so uh this is a like i said he's she i think this is when she's back with carlo fossey again uh he she always likened him to a father figure for her like that's the person she was most close to. And we'll find out what happens when something happens to him.

She's devastated and everything else. So 1995, January of 1995, she goes to court for her whole thing here. She is tried as a juvenile. And we'll talk about this here. They give her she is she ends up pleading guilty to home invasion and they give her a deal uh they say you man this is january 1995 you young lady may fuck off we've never said you young lady may fuck off before but there we go she's so uh she she is assigned to as uh to the youthful training trainee status which is

basically places her on probation for two years she's ordered to perform either 50 hours of community service or do 30 days in jail what would you rather do um jesus yeah a week's worth of community service like a fucking job or 30 days in jail full-time jesus that's a little think of the hour difference it's no choice there holy shit so that's the deal they're also a large fine um she is also given a nightly curfew that was imposed so she can do her community service and records of the case were to be kept confidential but they weren't and the pro the point was it was supposed to be confidential. And the youthful trainee status means when you're done with your probation, if nothing has happened and you've still been clean, then it's expunged from your record.

Oh, that's great. Which is huge because you don't want to give. And I hope they do this for other kids, not just blonde girls who can figure skate. But generally, you don't want to give a 17 year old on their first offense a fucking felony that will keep them from ever being able to do anything again like home invasion which sounds terrible sounds horrible that sounds terrible home invasion sounds as bad as it that's rape and sodomy is a fucking it's above it but it has some context it seems like one leads to another you know oh my god that person home invaded so they could sodomize me that's what you're thinking anytime you hear home invasion you figure people home people tied up while you're rifling through their shit yeah and somebody being terribly uh

and maybe killing and maybe fucking right somebody unindignified golden state killer is a home invader right you know what i'm saying that's that's bad stuff. Plates thrust on people's backs. Shit like that. Bad shit. Yeah. Bad shit here. So, yeah. Now, her lawyer says, again, just a youthful indiscretion. No big deal. And she said it was just a misunderstanding. She said, quote, this is after she took the plea. It was just a misunderstanding.

I was in the wrong place at the wrong time again. And she says it was just a mistake. No broken hearts. No tears about it. Stuff happens. Moving on. Okay. Moving on. Okay. Moving on.

She's done with that. She's good now. That was a 17-year-old stupid mistake. Nothing is ever going to happen like that again. Okay. I'm sure. That's it. I'm sure the rest of the story will be probably a happy tale.

So many gold medals. So many gold medals. And right now, she owns her own touring company. She's very happy. She has three beautiful children who she doesn't even let ice skate. No. medals and right now she like owns her own touring company she's very happy she has you know three beautiful children who she doesn't even let ice skate no but are she's teaching them business acumen like crazy she's just very happy with her family life she's a badass businesswoman or she's raising children for her home home invasion crew or she's literally in the circus

that's how this fucking wait till you see okay it's i'm this is a disaster the next fucking the next 20 years are a fucking mudslide jesus christ that should be what it's called going down it should be called a mudslide yeah i don't think i just thought about it i don't think i've ever used that term for people before cliff it's a fucking mud it's a yeah and you when you hit the bottom you're covered in shit and muck you're not falling off the cliff the cliff is falling with you with your slide there's no footing to grab no just ah you're grabbing a branch it's coming with you they're snapping off as you fly by them so the root the whole thing coming out of the ground. Mudslide. This is a mudslide.

Late January 1995 is the U.S. Championships. This is right after her court. That was early January. So she's fresh out of court for a home invasion, hitting the scene for the U.S. Championships here. Probably the only woman on the scene doing this right now. This is she goes up against Michelle Kwan. We know who she is, obviously. And I don't really know any of the other ones but a bunch of ladies who seem to be good and she wins the gold here

she is the u.s champion michelle kwan was a silver that year michelle kwan's like 14 right now too so give her another eight months yeah i was gonna say give her two years and then she'll be like asking to clean michelle kwan skates so that's what ends up happening now right after this happens because so much got out in the press during this world championships basically they sat her down and were like so you just got in trouble blah blah blah and she like didn't want to deal with the whole thing and it was supposed to be kept under wraps so her lawyer files an emergency motion in court on february 16th 1995 basically requesting release from the two years of probation because the prosecution started they're blaming the prosecution for getting out in the public which it's the the press can find shit when they want

public record it's not well it's a juvenile so it's supposed to be sealed but is it yeah but there's how many people in that courtroom yeah that's it that's tabloid shit back then somebody is going to make five grand and go call the inquirer back then or tmz now or whatever the fuck you know what i mean someone's going to do that that's just the way the world works that's how stories get out so uh she wants a dismissal of the case now because members of the media had obtained information regarding the charges and the dates and all this type of shit. And it threatened her ability to participate in skating competitions. Meanwhile, they knew about it, and she just won a gold medal in a skating competition.

Didn't hinder her at all. But still, she said, quote, I don't care about all those things that were written. That's one of the talents God gave me, the ability not to let them get to me. But my mom takes that all very hard. It's hurting my mom. Hurting my mom, not me. I'm cool. I don't give a shit. She keeps it together. I'll break into your house. I can give a fuck.

I'm raw, motherfucker. She's singing 95, she's singing old dirty bastard lyrics. I get frigidity raw when it's time to get. She's fucking, she doesn't give a fuck. Brooke Good Zoo. Fuck this shit.

So she don't care, man. So the trial court here noted that it received a letter from the coach as well. Her coach, who said that it was all a big setup. That guy. He says, quote, As of this morning, I've had calls from People magazine, Inside Edition, numerous sports writers, private investigators and the Children's Law Center. All of these groups have correct and documented information from Nicole's case. Even though Nicole's enrolled in your youthful trainee program, these groups were able to obtain information through these concealed records.

Very, very terrible here. terrible here uh she said that in the last in recent months since the home invasion she has changed into a much more serious athlete in the literally 80 days that have passed hilarious very much different she said because of this change she was able to become u.s ladies figure skating champion she's using that as um yeah but they're saying her coach says my concern now is that the media will crucify her for her previous mistakes and interfere with her advancement in future competitions most of the above groups feel nicole should not be allowed to leave the country and compete in world championships in england i feel they were they will do their best to get their feelings in

print trying to keep her out of uh he's still blaming like them meanwhile england doesn't usually let criminals in that's they're pretty strict about it. That's kind of how it works there from here. If you go there and you have a record, you're, they don't let you in. They're like safe places. Yeah.

If you go to the Canadian border and they look through your shit and you got arrested for anything 10 years ago, you're not allowed in by turning back around. They don't want you there. So it's weird. So, uh, he see,

he says, quote, I feel Nicole's future is at stake here. Oh my, her whole future. Because of her recent victory, opportunities such as pro competitions, product endorsements, and professional appearances are all in jeopardy if her recent problems are publicized. They already have been. That's why all those people called you.

The financial rewards of years of hard work would never materialize. I think that punishment far outweighs her mistakes. Okay. So they had a hearing relative to the whole thing. The judge says this. This is what the trial court states. This is an exceptional case for a couple of reasons. One, purposes of the statute have been supported already.

Somebody has leaked it. I guess that's not good. And that's in violation of the statute. So the purpose of the statute was to protect young people so that the public would not be aware of their behavior, which is the point. It's also an exceptional case because while the statute says there shouldn't be any civil ramifications or loss of rights or privileges, I'm not so sure that the U.S. Figure Skating Association would feel compelled to overlook this case that we have here and if they were to disqualify nicole it would take her longer than probably three weeks to be able to probably longer than the three weeks to be able to qualify and get the disqualification removed and harm would have been done i'm also mindful of the fact that she wouldn't have pled had she known these things would have been public which would have been public if she didn't plead because eventually it would have gotten out um

yeah basically if you're 17 years old and famous and you do a home invasion of any kind it's called that legally someone's gonna find out and you're pretty fucked there's no way to hide that it makes you sound pretty dangerous that's what i mean sorry i'm sure there's a lot of people that would like to hide a lot of shit right it doesn't really happen maybe just steal stuff when everybody's home it's not necessarily called that anymore they charge people as adults when they're 12 yeah it's fucking you know sorry he's 17 it's pretty close so uh she said i they said in light of in view of that fact i understand the victim's attitude is they don't want to see adverse things occur to her i'm satisfied that because the position she's in in her skating career and what you've said today the fact that you were crying when

you said it and that you were remorseful. And a criminal proceeding has a proper impact on you. You should understand that you would never get another chance for youthful training, whatever. And I think you now know and learned your lesson. You learned your lesson, young lady, that people are going to be out there to shoot you down if they can. And the prosecutor argued that it's bullshit and all that. They end up saying, you know when she'll get off? when she's done with her probation that's when she'll get off suck it up buttercup because that truck that court ended up uh the court that i just read

that judge ended up saying yes get rid of the probation but then the prosecutor appealed that decision and they said yeah what the fuck are you talking about it's fine so she can get off of it when she's off of it so there's that it's already out there tough shit basically so um at this point they're talking about her her coaches and a bunch of people are talking about how um she's just she's not exactly what she's been portrayed as the public this is more this is more in line with her personality than that they've seen uh they talk about every wall of them this is when they talked about how she smelled like an ashtray um they say that her they called her smoking habit jarring that's how much she smoked they were like it's like that's a lot of smoking yeah like lighting one off the other shit like wow jarring like somebody in a foxhole in world war ii

i might get blown up by the nazis at any moment now i better chain smoke her leather jacket and her harley and her cigarettes all go together very well but when you see one it's a little jarring it's like whoa and and a figure skating outfit with feathers and sequins and you're gonna catch your outfit on fire for christ's sake all that hairspray. So one of her a former associate who doesn't want to be named said, quote, she was not the best person to be in training. Every time she got off the ice, she was smoking, which is fucking great. One of her coaches says she failed to show up for their practice sessions all the time and that her mother would beg the coach to drag Nicole to the rink with the promise that there would be more money in it for him if he could actually get her to go to the rink there. And he said that he was like, I'm not doing this.

Leach is his name. He said that he, quote, wouldn't be bought. If she doesn't want to be here, then fuck her, basically. What do you think her brand is? Is it like Kool's and Newport's, or is it like a Marlboro Light? I'm going to go, where did she start smoking? Probably Colorado. So I'm going like a marlboro light um i'm gonna go she's where'd she start smoking probably colorado so i'm gonna say marlboro reds i'll bet it's how you think so i bet it is if it was chicago because like back east we all smoked menthols but i don't know what it was in the

midwest maybe a menthol uh jarring smell it's a menthol smells harsher than than see i think the regular cigarettes yeah menthols have a mint in them. Regular cigarettes smell like rotten milk to me. Like a Marlboro Light smells and tastes like a milk that's just barely expired. Really? Yeah, I can't. I don't like them. Gross. That's a fascinating take.

Somebody gives me a Marlboro Light, I'm like, get the hell out of here with that thing. I've never smelled the cigarettes and been like, milk. Milky. I always say that. I don't want any milk cigarettes. Maybe it's because they're just white. I don't know. So they feel milky associated with that.

I see menthols in her in her, though. Maybe I do. But she's either way. It's a lot of something. Her coach there, that leech guy says, quote, she was a very easily led young lady. Anytime Nicole did anything wrong, her mother always justified it. That's the story of Nicole's life. And her mother's mind. She never did anything wrong her mother always justified it that's the story of nicole's life and her mother's mind she never does anything wrong this is all this her mother is the silver haired white man here except your daughter has a smoking habit already a smoking habit a stealing

that's what i mean she's not 35 and you know working two shifts at the diner working pulling doubles at the diner to support the three kids you didn't do a great job no um he says that they yana and joyce spoiled her immensely and uh yeah this is he breaks it down who is this here okay this is one of her former coaches that didn't want to be named but it's whatever one she was using in in massachusetts because they're talking about Cape Cod, called her a party girl with a voracious sexual appetite, a social killer bee who is said to have entertained certain American

male skaters with something other than her triple sow cow. Jesus Christ. Apparently, her one coach said that in New England, she brought, quote, every teenage boy on Cape Cod

to the practice rink three days after she arrived. She had already been with every boy in Cape Cod, they said, which is a little bit of an exaggeration. Come on. There's a lot of boys there. Yeah. I don't think you can do that in three days.

She's just fun, probably. You're okay. She's fun, yeah. That's all. She's a good girl. She explained it by saying, quote, I'm a teenager. That's what we do. And they asked about all of her behavior, showing up late, smoking, this shit.

And she just said, I'm a teenager. That's what we do. We fuck up. I smoke and cum. That's my favorite. Hey, that's it. So, hey, who wants to smoke and cum? As a matter of fact, I was going to open up a place for kids.

It's an arcade, but instead of video games, it's just got cigarettes and up a place for kids it's an arcade but instead of video games it's just got cigarettes and dildos and it's called smoking cump it's gonna be great i've been a fucking seasoned asshole right let's go nobody over 15 though we don't want it to be weird you know what i mean we'll keep it nice so uh this is great so uh yeah she was a fucking crazy she liked the party yeah and they said that she didn't know the meaning of the word curfew and she just kind of went crazy when they went like on the road to international competitions they'd have to try to like you know keep her around the uh box or yeah at least twice the usfs of united states figure skating association filed reports about her misbehaviors on these tours and at a pre-olympic training trip to norway

they insisted that her coach kathy casey room with her to make sure they said she can't come unless you room with her and keep her from running amok. God, I wish I had met her. We would have been so. I know. I loved her. Absolutely. She hated me. She was like, you're a loser.

Yeah. Both of us. You guys are fucking losers. Okay. You're right. No, you're right. We were losers. We couldn't argue.

But I like to smoke and cum. Come on. Come on. I like the same things you like. We could be so happy together. So that's great. One of her coaches called her an underachieving skater who hates to practice, likes to smoke, and indulge in junk food. And she said has a fondness for, quote, tough girl street fashion

that consistently annoys the officials of the figure skating world. I wonder what that is. She's got all these rings and earrings. I don't know. She's probably dressed like, fuck, she's dressed in the 90s. She's probably got baggy shit on and shit like that. And they're like, you're supposed to have a pink dress and smile and, you know. I want to see what she looks like.

Do equestrian. And so they said that off the ice she has a ring on every finger and uh they call her brass knuckles because of that so that's her her deal now think about what her daily schedule is i found that here she uh basically skating and skating related activities physical shit take up 10 to 12 hours of each day this is while she's in the 11th grade wow okay so 10 to 12 hours is taken up with skating so where's school she's she has one hour a day with a tutor there because she's never around anywhere long enough to go to school or anything she's traveling around so much and uh yeah she says

quote when i was younger i used to get jealous when i saw kids hanging out at the mall i realized what i have now is so much better than what they so much better than what they can ever have i realize skating is my life she's trying to say that that's good she doesn't want to hang out at the mall she wants to be a success how long is that going to last i want all that fucking off that looks awesome that looks great what i'm gonna have later that's what you have to see in the moment but it's that's hard to see when you're 17 there is no tomorrow that's 17, there is no tomorrow. That's the thing.

There is no tomorrow. There's no next year. There's no... No next year. Forget it. How do you see that? Who the fuck knows? You see that? You have no idea.

You have no idea what you're going to do with yourself. 30 seems like, well, I'll be dead by then, I'm sure. You live semester at a time. No way I'll live that long. It's nutty. It's weird. It's weird. So the president of the figure skating association

said quote this is claire ferguson she sounds like a real party animal oh you know it she said i think our athletes are not any different from other athletes i don't know about that they have personal lives and because of events of the past year all of a sudden it's tasty stuff interesting news i think they're pretty normal people it's not just sequins and feathers well they're not normal figure skaters you're telling me they're humans and i get that that's true nobody disagrees with that normal and human are very different things very different human yes normal not so much not so much so at the world championships that year uh she makes a press statement because the press is asking her a shitload of questions about her teenage home invasions and smoking and fucking

and all this sort of thing. So she has a press conference and she said, quote, I'd like to start by saying the last two weeks have been very difficult for me and I have grown a lot as a result.

All of you are aware of the things that I've been through that have been brought up through the media and I'd like to say that there is nothing new. Thanks to Mr. Callahan, the coach that I've been through that have been brought up through the media and I'd like to say that there is nothing new. Thanks to Mr. Callahan, the coach, I've been able to silver-haired

fucking saying that it's another coach setting her up, for Christ's sake. That's the most silver thing we've ever heard. That's like Jeremy Mayfield's wife going, he never did meth even though he tested positive every time they ever tested him and we found meth in the house. He never did it.

It's just weird. Just meth falls from the sky he touches his skin next thing you know he does positive right so that's kind of what's going on here uh he she said thanks to him i've been able to put this behind me and focus my efforts on training for the world championships with the support of my fellow u.s team members i continue to feel positive about representing the u.s in these championships. Wow, if that was written ahead of time, holy fuck. Jesus Christ. They asked her about winning the national championships and all that, and she said, quote, I've been growing up.

I'm listening more. Having Todd Eldridge skate on the same ice with me, I don't know, has shown me a lot what it takes to be champion. Mr. Callahan basically has been guiding me the right way, and I'm doing whatever he says. And then she turns around to him and says, Haven't I? Like, she's laying it on thick here with this shit. So people laughed, obviously, about that.

They thought it was kind of funny. So she gets out there. They said that in the paper, all sorts of things in all these newspapers, they called her, quote, cutting a shy figure that belies her bad girl problems. They're basically saying she was trying to act like a good girl now and all sorts of shit like that. But, hey, she's doing her press bullshit that they have to do. That's her job at this point. Yeah. So the next day, her coach says she did a great job with the news conference he says i think she really cleared the air for herself and he says he

understands that her story is a great subject but mainly because the world the words figure skating champion are you know it makes her more if she was a regular 17 year old you wouldn't care it's like well yeah because regular 17 year olds don't win world championships in ice skating it's different champion figure skater you tend to look at a person different just as much as champion boxer champion anything yeah he said she's not allowed to have one toe over the line a normal teenager can have the whole foot over the line and then some and nobody says a thing when they get charged with home invasion everybody says a thing that's the thing that's the thing. That's the difference. If it's just breaking curfew and smoking, yeah, fine.

But that's a little bit different. And then they asked her, what about all the boys? And he said, quote, so Nicole likes boys. Keep reading, though. Maybe next week it'll be girls. What a weird statement. Jesus Christ, man. What a weird statement to make.

She likes everything. She just wants someone touching her fucking pussy at some point wait till you find out she's trying to fuck that dog she tried to fuck me i said no honey sweetheart i gotta fucking come on anyway it might be girls sleep leave her alone they also asked is she the next tanya harding and he said no of course not she calls herself a free spirit which she is and that helps make her a good skater he said as long as she does the work and as long as she goes out and performs her lifestyle belongs to her no matter what she does if she smokes if she has a lot of boyfriends

if she's he's just going down the list listen it doesn't matter if she's a fucking ski foos fucking who you know what I'm talking about I I don't care. She can go out. She can suck every fucking dick out there. She can go to the factory, go down the line and suck each and every cock on there for 50 cents a pop. And I'll go, you know what? She's a nice young lady. That's what I'm talking about. No matter what she's smoking, cigarettes or poles, leave her alone.

Leave her alone. Yeah. Doesn't matter. She smokes, has a lot of boyfriends. If she's had an up and down family life, if she completes a perfect program on the ice, what am I going to do? Complain? Fair enough.

If she was doing anything to the point of excess, she wouldn't be the U.S. Ladies champion. Well, yeah, because since she got arrested, she's had nothing to do with focus because she was worried about her court case. So this is like her most focused ever that she'll ever be. her court case so this is like her most focused ever that she'll ever be the uh she said that uh that everybody's talking about how good she was and how you know she's coming along so well somebody says here i get the feeling that the ice skating community was ashamed no not ashamed but maybe surprised and disappointed about what happened to her i can understand that but i try to explain

everyone if you're going to be in uh if you're going to be a major sport it's going to happen yeah if you don't want to be hidden behind something once in a while your people are going to do something bad it's going to get publicity he said no other major sports exists without unpleasant times and unpleasant people which is fair um she had a good year in 95 comes back from an injury and places third at the World Championships in Birmingham, England. Behind Chen Liu of China and, Jesus, Surya Bonale from France. And then Michelle Kwan was fourth. Really? Yeah, so there's that.

She did, it says here, I don't know what this means, but if you know anything about figure skating, maybe you will. figure skating maybe you will bobeck mastered all the elements four jumps spins footwork and her mesmerizing spirals at a tempo unmatched by any of the other 30 skaters she's very energetic and you can tell that she's doing jumps and twists and turns and shit more than everybody else everything seems to have like a a certain spark to it a certain force to it yeah she's you know she skates hard uh she said at that point, quote, everything is coming to me that I've always wanted being on the world tour, being national championship, third in the world, being able to help kids. She says, it looks, it looks to others like I can't be in control and stay in one place. It's not like that at all. I need to find what's right for me.

And I'll go to the ends of the earth. If I i have to i'm a very free spirit and open person i don't hide much some people don't like the fact that i'm very open some people do it's just the way people look at it the only time i've ever heard free spirit in in any context is i fuck a lot yeah i'm real that's all that means yeah so they said that she was really great in the program she let it fly and you know did a great job and they were all very fucking happy with her it's a bunch of shit about ice skating i don't care about they said in the past she'd have like lack of conditioning or be all you know her nerves would be all off but she was had everything going for her this time uh this the men's silver medalist the todd eldridge guy he said this shows what a tremendous amount of effort Nicole has put back into getting

on back on track. She's good now. That's it. She explains that she's trying to be a different kind of athlete now. She says, quote, When I was a little girl, all I knew was that I wanted to skate. I wanted to be alone out there to feel the freedom of it. When I got onto the ice and the music goes on, I come alive. I'm not going to school now because I'm so busy training,

but I would like to get my degree eventually. Most of my friends are professional athletes because they can relate to what I'm going through. Still, I'm a normal teenager. I like to shop and listen to music and sleep and gossip. Sometimes I write poetry and draw. She left smoking out. She really wants to smoke more, too.

I do that while i smoke nice well it's easy to write poetry while you smoke it's easier to write poetry about dicks and dicks and smokes and yeah smoking dicks and dick smoking and and it's fine i fuck all the guys you want go for you go for it that is brought up so much every time the interview so you fuck a lot so you fuck a lot we're bringing a lot what we're bringing that up way less about her and way more to make fun of the media

making a bigger deal out of her fucking than being having a home invasion charge on her fucking record I care I don't care who she fucks

or how many meanwhile G I salute you enjoy sending girls home every night with a gift basket he's fucking constantly

oh yeah yeah yeah they rarely talk about that yeah I think because she's 17 is what they're getting into who gives a shit well if he was 17 sending girls home in limos with presents not really isn't it depending on the state most states though most states no one's worried about the legality of it i'm not saying it's right to worry about it but a grown person fucking and a teenager fucking are different that's another point too it doesn't sound like

she's out fucking dudes in bars. She's just fucking other teenagers. She's just fucking her friends and other athletes and shit. Good for her. Yeah, a bunch of athletic. I mean, she's around a bunch of athletic, you know, fucking good-looking people. So what? Let them fuck.

She's got her ass cinched up in those tight-ass pants, and we're supposed to not act like that's not hot? Well, we talked about Olympic Village, and we did the Hope Solo Jeremy Stevens episode. It's a fucking orgy the whole time it's a bunch of attractive athletic people fucking each other that's all it is people in their sexual prime and athletic prime yeah what are they gonna do let's get down so uh stare at each other yeah she said i've really grown up in the last two years when i first started i just skated i didn't realize the responsibility i had

to my coach to myself then before the nationals didn't realize the responsibility I had to my coach, to myself. Then before the Nationals, I really had to put my act together. My coach helped me to rethink things. You have to be responsible for the music in the program, for your arm movements, for your jumps. When I was young, I didn't think about those things. Now I see skating as a job. She says figure skaters have to project a certain image. You have to be a perfect little lady all

the time it doesn't bother me i like to look neat tanya harding got into trouble for wearing a dress without sleeves and she should have it was it was too muscular and not feminine jesus leave her alone cares how dare you have muscular arms that's how her fucking body works leave her alone she got she got yelled at for wearing a dress with no sleeve then she should have because she looked like a dude because she looked like a muscular sorry fucking not that tanya harding is but that's sexy if a chick has it's like yeah that's good there's some tone and some definition it's pretty wrong with that yeah too muscular not feminine calm down there's a lot of different ways to be feminine you know what i'm saying plenty of ways plenty of ways all sorts of ways. They're all good.

So in this sport, you can't be too aggressive. I'm used to putting aside what I want, going out with friends to parties, to dances in order to project a positive image. She's used to that. Right. Okay. I think I draw a lot of the media attention because I'm a very open person. It makes me mad when they get stuff wrong, but people will believe what they want to believe anyway i don't particularly like my image as the bad girl of figure skating but i don't want to deny my flair either or lose my individuality my goal now is to win an olympic

medal i dream of it all the time of giving the performance of my life if i accomplish that goal i'm set up for life i'll turn pro i'll have my own ice shows. Once I'm an Olympic champion, everything will be great. Yeah. That's how they think. Like, I'm fucked up now. A whole life is fucked. Things are tough. But once I get that medal, then I just relax and skate the whole rest of my life.

Jesus. Literally and figuratively. Right. Every sport, though, that is in the Olympics is just like comedy. You're constantly chasing the carrot. Then you get on the big stage, and then there's just as many people competing. Yeah. You're constantly just competing and competing and competing and never get that gold carrot.

It's never. It's so fucked. I mean, that's her goal here. Everything will be great, Jimmy. Once I get that sitcom, I'll be set up for life. Then I'll be able to get booked. I'll be able to do this. I'll fill up some theaters.

I'll get movies. I can move up. Yeah, it yeah it's how comics think too it's the same shit it's it's all it's all carrot chasing it's never happening and it never happens it never happens for like two people right not us but other people we just meant uh two people out of a million enjoy your life kevin hart yep there you go have fun you deserve it he's very talented he worked very hard enjoy hey more power to you fuck it so uh she had to suffer through an ankle injury this year but she also went on tour with the nutcracker despite the injury i guess for the christmas season she decided to tour with the nutcracker in 95 she played the lead role of clara it was a 21 city extensive tour that also featured peggy fleming as a sugar plum fairy and todd eldridge as the nutcracker prince yeah so it's an olympic who's who here she's real proud of that guy oh yeah she went on to do many tours on ice she did

improv on ice in 1999 and the grand slam of skating in 1998-99. Oh, yeah, that's how they make a living, doing these ice shows. Improv on skates. Yeah, that sounds fucking awful. The two of them, you skate a thing and then I skate a thing. Oh, what about a little bit of this? Fuck out of here with that. Yes, and? Much more of a no-butt kind of a guy.

Her manager, Steve Disson, says that at the height of her fame, coming up here in a little bit, she had about a half dozen endorsements and was making about $300,000 a year in the late 90s. Wow. Which is pretty good fucking money. That's amazing. Yeah. He said she was very marketable. She had all the talent in the world.

The U.S. Figure Skating asked me to help out to kind of protect her and give her some direction. I helped get her endorsements and get work. I would say I would say help cleaned her up, cleaned up her act. She was a rebellious young kid with no supervision. So her parents were not keeping an eye on her. She also met the lead singer of the Smashing Pumpkins at this point, Billy Corgan. He pops up in the weirdest places. It does pops up here.

Billy Corgan. He pops up in the weirdest places. It does. Pops up here. If you watch something about ECW, Extreme Championship Wrestling. He likes that shit? He was there for most of those. What?

While the Smashing Pumpkins had number one hits and were selling platinum albums. He's running around chasing. He put a fucking hat on and a hoodie and go in and sit in that fucking thousand seat bingo hall with a bunch of psychopaths and watch fucking wrestling because he dug it he ended up uh being an investor in something later on but yeah he's a weird guy he's a weird dude he's around in weird places you never know where he's gonna come from but he's a chicago guy so he had known of her story coming up got it and he said quote the easiest way to see nicole is how people look at child actors, which makes sense. They get a lot of attention when they are small, but then they don't totally mature the way a normal person does.

Absolutely right. He, I guess, recognized Nicole when they met at O'Hare Airport in 1995, just passing through. And he recognized her and said hi to her. I heard you fuck a lot. Yeah, I heard you fuck a lot. How's it going, girl? And they ended up staying in touch for a while, and then they lost contact until 2009,

and we'll talk about what happens then to get him back in contact with her here. But yeah, she's trying to, she really wants to, she said she wants to help kids. She said when kids see you winning on TV, they get excited, and you can get their attention a lot more. She says if she wins, she can to help kids she said when kids see you winning on tv they get excited and you can get their attention a lot more she says if she wins she can help more kids she said what stands

out is the fact that i've grown up i've got to the point where it was time to get down to business and get my priorities straight i'm good now again i am good right now um so yeah uh her for her callahan the silver-haired, middle-aged white man, he said when she first came to Detroit, she was the same as many of the other teenagers. As the year progressed, she matured. Her personality has clearly changed. She says she's focused. She's ready to go.

1996, she is unable to compete in the 1996 World Championships due to an ankle injury that she suffered in late 95. So she's still working on that. She withdrew from the short program with a foot injury of another one here. And this is when she reunites with Coach Fossey, the rotini skate guy. Okay. So 1997, she's hoping she's going to the Nationals and she's hoping that she's going to be you know get herself back out there because of some injuries and everything she's kind of fallen off the face of the earth and people when she shows up they're like where the fuck have you

been right like they said you know what's going on you've been hanging out with tanya harding that was the famous joke hilarious and uh yeah she said quote i've been around in my own secret way that's what she's told the press she's been hanging out here it ain't a secret yep she said, quote, I've been around in my own secret way. That's what she's told the press. She's been hanging out here. It ain't a secret. Yep. She said, I know I everyone knows. She said, I know I have to prove a lot to people that I'm not that I'm not out of the sport and that I'm still in it. A lot of people have questions.

Where's Nicole? What's she doing? So it's hey, don't forget about me. I guess apparently she'd also hurt her back last fall and so she's just been kind of just kind of taking a break she said uh she couldn't she hurt her back so bad she could barely land a triple jump oh no i mean i i don't know what i would do if i couldn't land a triple jump i'd probably just fucking slice my own wrists with my skates i think right fucking take them right off and can you imagine fucking damn it

during the 1997 world championships in lusane switzerland uh here this is when she's competing this is her big wants to come back out on the stage and during it her coach carlo fossey has a heart attack and dies oh no in the middle of the middle of a thing. Not like while she's skating, but like at night in the middle of one of the things here. Now, his wife is also a coach and is part of the team. She's able to coach Nicole and get through the routine, but apparently she was like crying on and off. She was a fucking mess.

Yeah, her husband just died. Not her. Oh, Nicole was? Nicole said that was the closest thing to a father that she ever had. It was like a father figure to her. And she's devastated by this. So, yeah. So she did complete the competition because she said she would have regretted it if she didn't.

And he would have wanted her to. She only got to practice intermittently because of her leg and back problems though uh so yeah she ended up finishing third uh that year she buys a home her own home in jupiter florida it's a three-bedroom house and a very florida house there her mom and joyce live there with her and all that sort of thing so november 1997 the uh she is a there's a some tournament some russia thing cup of russia competition i guess here and uh i guess she does like shit in this competition she gets scores of a 4.3 is her average which is out of 10 not good no she does like complete she fell in both the short and long programs and just did like shit. So she's very upset and she's got a long trip down all the way back to the States.

Yeah. And from Russia, from Russia. During it, she gives a statement here. And this this has to be an in their own words because it's the only way to go. We'll do in their own words, in their own words. Quote, It's really hard. When I was younger, if I would have known everything in the sport, what it takes, all the commitments and all the sacrifices and all the torture, I'm not sure I would have done it. I'm not really sure if I would have competed and everything because it's so hard and so much

pressure. People don't realize you work all year to do four minutes the best you can do. That is so much pressure. I actually think it's easier when you're younger because you don't think is the dress good is the hair good i have to do this i have to do that i have to be able to do this you don't do that you just go out there and do it that makes sense yeah and then she got on a cargo plane carrying like livestock to get back to florida that's like a chicken running back and forth and she had to fight a goat she's fighting a labrador again she's like god damn it so covered in more feathers than her fucking it's off the plane yeah that's fucking amazing so she i mean that makes sense too that she's not like you know she's saying she's 20 and she feels she feels worn out washed up at 20 which is brutal, man. Putting your whole life on the line for four minutes worth of showmanship. That's what they do.

All year. Think about Olympians. They do it. Olympic sprinters. Yeah. 25 seconds. Not even sometimes. That's fucking fast.

100-yard dash. 19 seconds. It's over. That shit is... Yeah, that's 10 seconds. All right. Whole year, 10 seconds. Oh, boy.

It's nuts. And your eighth. And your eighth. Sorry. If you would have been, you know, 59.89995, you would have been first and be a hero. But you were like that, but slower. Sorry. It's the old, Jerry Seinfeld has a joke.

He's like, this and that. That's the, everything and, eh, you're terrible. Nothing. Just that. Seems like a waste. Head on back to Bangladesh. That's the everything. And yeah, you're terrible. Nothing. Seems seems like a waste. And I'm back to Bangladesh. That's it. So January, she night, January 1998.

She is going to compete for the third and final spot on the Olympic team. It is Tara Lipinski and Michelle Quan are locks. They're on the team. She's got to compete basically with they're doing it. There's a huge fucking backlog of people that all want to be on the team here uh she a top three finisher in the short program means a skater can become champion by winning saturday's free skate competition and she said i've worked my whole life to uh to for this to get where i am today it's time to go out there and show people that. Of course, making the Olympic team means everything to me,

but I really want my title back at nationals. She says that. And she also says, I'm not thinking about anything that's happened in the past. I'm looking toward the future. Every athlete says this. This is a new life. This is a different situation.

This is a very big year, and that's what I'm concentrating on. She said, this is good that no one's even paying attention to me while I'm here. She said, it gives me a chance to just slip in. She said, I actually feel bad for them going through the limelight. It feels good to get a little vacation from it. I know what they're going through. Talking about Lipinski and Kwan.

The only publicity she did receive there was from a bunch of Russian Russian press who apparently Russian ice dancer pasha grischuk uh told them that nicole slapped her in the face last summer in a tour while they fought over a man apparently nicole she says nicole walked in pissed off about something they were fighting over a guy and went up and fucking gave her a good whack and yeah and uh they want to know about that so there's like some kgb there to question her i like this though i like that she went and was like stay away from my man bitch i like this good stuff there so uh she said she they asked her about it and nicole says that quote i didn't recall the incident if you didn't do that you go that didn't happen

i don't recall in other words i slapped that bitch good and she fucking deserved it so uh yeah she's she's doing all of that uh 1998 she makes the olympic team she made she got the third and final spot somehow oh shit and it's the three of them there and everyone's talking about this is the strongest team ever in the winter olympics and it's basically they're saying that they could go gold silver and bronze just the three of them could run it um yeah bobeck tells press quote we can do it one two three no problem no fucking problem sounds like a home depot slogan we're good we could do it one two one two three no problem it's italian home depot you come on in one three. We get you your shit. We get you the fuck out of here. Before you know it, you got a shed. There you go. Boom. Shed's up. I'm not going to help you

build it. You build it yourself. But I got wood. We, the royal we. You could do it one, two, three. Everybody. One, two, three. You. I'm not doing nothing. One, two, this used to be a tree. This used to be a tree. Oh. What do you think of that? How about it

that's a pretty good that's a pretty good business that's coach carlo fossey speaking so endorsements she gets uh her con she gets a contract with campbell soup really that's fucking mainstream as shit. Yeah. Along with Michelle Kwan and Tara Lipinski. They all appear in a commercial in the winter of 1998. All three of them are performing on the ice, and the soup is so hot that it melts the ice. The heat from the soup melts the ice, and they're all standing in ankle-deep water by the end of it.

That's what it was? That's it. That's the commercial. I remember the commercial. I feel like I've seen it water by the end of it that's what it was that's it that's the commercial i remember the commercial like i've seen it too yeah i've definitely seen it she also appeared in commercials in japan for panasonic's uh campaign that's awesome yeah so she's in those commercials she's got a few little ones too but those are her main big endorsements uh she has a hip problem and in warm-ups she fucks up her hip a little bit again and falls several times during her program at the 1998 Olympics and finishes 17th. She fell at the Olympics. Oh, several times.

Oh, no. Did not go well. She had a bad. Apparently, her hip was pretty fucked up and she went out anyway and she couldn't do the things that she could do because her hip hip wouldn't hold it. So she was falling down and fucking up and uh yeah 17th but she said that it was a dream of hers to make it to the olympics and she was happy that she got there we can do it one two 17 one two 17 fuck so the other two do um i think i think they did do one two or one and three i think it was one three i think possibly oh it's one two 17 i think it was one three i think possibly oh it's one two seventeen

i think it probably was yeah i think it probably was here oh fuck so yeah this uh after that she was not able i'm sorry she was not able to follow the year with the world championships because she had other injuries too so she ended up back with coach callahan there again getting ready for the u.s nationals and then was unable to compete in those because of a sciatic nerve problem. So it's rough. She's got a lot of little nagging injuries, and I think you have to be pretty together. Yeah, now without the injuries. Now, her coach, Kerry Leach, the one who talked about all of her fucking earlier, he said, quote,

She could have been one of the greatest skaters the United States has ever seen. But her work ethic was horrible. There are two sides to Nicole. There's a side that is sweet and nice and a great skater. And then there's a side that's a mystery. You never know why she did strange things. So, yeah, that's I would say so. She said, though, but she feels better.

She said, I've been working really hard. She said before I felt almost programmed this better. She said, I've been working really hard. She said, before, I felt almost programmed. This year, I have way more emotion. This is my last year of Olympic sanctioned competition. I want to finish on a great note. So, yeah. She decides in 1999 she's going to go professional with her skating career and join the Champions on Ice Tour. Yay.

She signed a four-year contract to the tour, and she's going to do that. she signed a four-year contract to the tour and uh she's gonna do that she has um she's also does some coaching jobs here and there like private coaching because she's an olympian so that's lucrative for rich kids there uh she's fucking 22 god damn it um yeah she's doing pretty well um so at this point though she seems not focused on skating at all one of her friends at this point, though, she seems not focused on skating at all. One of her friends at this point said, quote, it seems she was spending more time with members of the opposite sex than she was on the ice, which she's she's a young lady. So December 2003, Joyce Barron dies. So, you know, her de facto other mom dies. So, you know, she's very upset about that. 2004, she is working on the champions on ice tour i think

we talked about uh today she's making like six figures basically skating around yeah doing decent the guy who runs at tom collins like i was gonna say tom collins like get me a me please one me with a lime thank you excuse me sir and then you just slide your idea yeah ah they wink at you there he is it's the only one named like first and last name isn't it tom yeah that's the only one it's tom collins pretty good hi how you doing hilarious yeah he's better than the most interesting man or whatever. He's got his own fucking drink. Hi. I'm Tom Collins.

That guy's not named Dos Equis. You know what I mean? Fuck no. That's what I'm saying. He just likes Dos Equis. We don't even know that old man's name. Fuck him. Old fart with a beard that those girls wouldn't fuck unless they were told to.

Who drinks shitty beer. Yeah. Drinks gross beer. So he said that she was an extremely talented young lady. She was a striking performer. She got your attention. But after the 2004 season ended, he gave her a $20,000 Rolex as a present and also shitcanned her. Oh, that was a goodbye present.

Fucking. Yeah. What is that called? Separation pay. Yeah. Separation. They don't call it separation. I don't fucking know know i haven't had a job in a long time that money that money yeah so don't tweet me yeah we don't so yeah she gave a twenty thousand dollar rolex and a fucking adios thanks a lot for the service pretty sweet gift he felt that her once charismatic performances

had become quote embarrassingly poor which is not what you want to be told. She moves to New York City at this point, lives in the meatpacking district with 20 grand in her pocket. Yeah, lives in Chelsea there, has a small studio apartment. Apparently, she was lured to New York to live there by her boyfriend at the time. And then when she got there she found out that he already had a girlfriend that he lived with so whoops um not great yeah so she ends up getting a studio apartment in chelsea and uh chelsea is a especially back then it was a real now too but it was a up-and-coming party area big time back then so clubs and bars and

i mean you don't have a boyfriend but you will soon you will soon party time people know who she is the chelsea pierce skating rink was right there and people were all everything uh she says i'm sorry uh johnny weir the skating guy he's he's yeah he says what fantastic wonderful girl doesn't want to live in new york city at some point in her life so yeah sounds like it's on i did yeah he's gonna say i did um he said that they became friends in 2004 with the champions on ice tour he said his favorite memories of nicole involved talking all night in her hotel room after a show while she took a bubble bath and ate grapes and cheese he says when she moved to manhattan she decorated her apartment with hello kitty shit she's almost

30 this is in the 2004 yeah she's in her 20s hello kitty shit everywhere he said she loved to dance i heard she was out partying a lot out dancing at the clubs a lot uh new york city is a lovely wonderful place but there is also a dark and underbelly you can get caught up in easy very easy um he said nicole was in some ways secretive and was closed off from people if she had a problem she wouldn't be one to throw it out in front of everybody she'd keep it to herself so in addition to that she has no other job she has doesn't have a high school diploma she's just floating um her mother pays her rent i don't know if her mother took her earning i don't know how it works but her mother pays her

rent and gives her a 350 weekly allowance oh my god that's her allowance what year is this 1990 or i'm sorry 2004 350 a week in new york. Which isn't very much, honestly, in New York. It's a Chipotle bucket every couple of days. Yeah. Food is expensive there. But she just basically went right into partying, dove right in. She said, quote, I hopped onto the club scene. I made myself a party girl. I feel like she was a party girl.

She's just now doing it in that atmosphere rather than in like the detroit suburbs right she's like and also figure skating is not occupying the time that i can use doing it now yeah oh the other thing she's doing by the way uh she spends about two hundred dollars a week on crystal meth as well oh no she's doing crystal meth oh the rest of the money went into clubbing and bullshit and she said she ate on the cheap a diet featuring crackers, ramen noodles, and SpaghettiOs. You used to be a champion. No, not anymore. That's right. Yeah.

Later on, because something else will happen, her criminal defense attorney will say she was nurtured as a skater since three years old, and after all that ended, she fell into a sleazy world she was not prepared for. years old and after all that ended she fell into a sleazy world she was not prepared for her mom sees her only three times from two three times a year from 2004 to 2009 so not a lot at all her mom knew even that she was using drugs her mom at one point was trying to petition to have her put in a rehab but pulled it back because she didn't want she didn't want nicole to stop talking to her. Because basically, whenever she'd bring up drugs, Nicole would push away from her. So she wanted to keep her close by rather than helping her. What?

What happened? Yeah. Her mother said she knew everything about it, and you could tell, basically. And she said that she used to go home a couple times a year to relax, and she said, I used to joke I'm going home to detox that was her deal there 2006 she's in a feature film again she's in a sean penn jew law movie okay called all the king's men really yeah i never saw it didn't that win oscars i know it's got an 11 on rotten tomatoes it was a huge flop financially critically not good.

Maybe that's why I've heard of it. Yeah, not a good one. Based on a novel, she plays a skater who's skating seductively while some guy stares at her. Oh, no. Shuts all it is. Also that year, she's arrested for unlawful speeding in Florida. Now, I looked it up. Her fines for this are $12,950.

What'd she do? So I looked up the statute, and apparently this unlawful speeding, it's not a regular speeding, it's like a speeding in a particular environment. It would be like speeding in a school zone, speeding in a construction zone, speeding in inclement weather,

going way too, shit like that. At the risk of 12 grand? It's a dangerous. That particular part of the statue is for dangerous driving, like a dangerous, unlawful speeding. In Florida, was she dangerously speeding through a hurricane in a construction zone that happened to be a school zone, too? While being chased by roosters. It's Florida. That's what happens.

So she is arrested for that and pays that um her life though she's at that point she's been in touch with basically nobody involved with figure skating when she's in new york she works odd jobs for extra meth money walking people's dogs um she started school at one point and stopped school to become a music producer come on nicole um the original meth behavior that's yeah just i'll go do this no now i'm resetting my that's all good now let's do meth for a while longer her original plan moving up there that she told everybody was that she was going to study fashion at the new school in manhattan and uh she says though but it was too costly and she ended up instead going to the clubs and hanging out where

she met a bunch of people uh may 2009 there was a visit for yana's birthday there and nicole said she was ready to move back to jupiter she said she was just you know fucking ready to move back she was tired and all that but then her mother said she'd get a call down there from one of her friends in new york and she said quote she was ready to go right back there that's where the addiction was she didn't realize she was getting deeper and deeper apparently by this point um she looks different her hair isn't even blonde anymore it's black it's scruffy she went from a size eight to a size four yeah and the size eight wasn't fat she was just kind of good figure and now she's a size four. Her face is gaunt. You'll see she's got some scabby stuff going on.

No, it's not good. It's at this point while she's at her mom's house and she's talking about moving back. Where two police officers knock on the door and would like to arrest her. Not even have a chat with her. What do you think it's for, Jimmy? Dealing. Meth possession. It is. Drugs.

Drugs related. Yeah. She is. Drugs. Drugs related. Yeah. She is apparently involved in a meth distribution ring. She got involved through her roommate who worked for this guy, Cruz's ex-girlfriend. We'll talk about him and who he is. The investigation had been going on for over a year, but she only showed up on the radar a few months ago, and they honed right in on her. This is Juneune 26 2009 new jersey authorities busted 28 people and what they said was a meth distribution ring she was originally charged with level three conspiracy calling for 10 years in prison that's

the the charts the fucking that's what that is prosecution said she had a significant role in the operation and she ended up having to spend 11 days in jail before she made bail. Want to see a mugshot? I don't know if I do. Oh, Nicole, what happened? Oh, no. She looks like a clown. She's got like the dirt makes like clown makeup.

She's got like bits. That's all terrible. She looks so different. Really bad. It's sad. Her eyes look yeah her eyes look hollow too it's just not good flash that picture next to her adorable picture yeah that'll help a lot that's a meth that's a meth ad right there anti-meth so i mean she is just in jail sitting there fucking waiting to get trying to get out she's a mess she can't get out for 11 fucking days which isn't good obviously she knows this mugshot's gotten out to the whole world and that can't

be great for her anything her self-esteem anything like that campbell's has seen that oh campbell's has definitely seen no soup for you ma'am i would say there and uh she is very hungry though yeah and she's just she's like man i wish they would have better food in jail obviously as you would imagine there and then she gets a knock on the door and it's my grandma with for tot sandwiches and she says how is it you've come to arrive here why you come come here? Why you smell here? Have frittata sandwich. Very good. You have there. I know it smells very bad. It's okay.

Put some weight on. Why? Why you go with the, I don't know how you do on the ice. You jump around. I don't know how you do, but when you go off, ma putan.

Why you putan? Why you go around with all the boys? How they gonna respect you like that? I know you want to find a nice one, but look now. I don't see none of those boys. Look now. I don't see none of those boys around. Where are they?

Hello, boys. Look, they're not in the frittata sandwich. They're nowhere. I don't see. But you're here. My wife. She holds up a mirror. Look now.

Look at you. My, you used to be so pretty girl so nice beautiful girl and now you look like i look like bottom of shoe i don't know why you do oh boy poof in a in a in a puff of in a cloud of uh sauce and frittata sandwiches. She's gone, and Nicole is very confused. Oh, boy. And ugly. And having problems there. Objectively not pretty. Not good. Oh, boy.

July 4, 2009, extradited to New Jersey from Florida for this charge here. She said that the facility in New Jersey was a four-star hotel compared to the jail in Florida. Absolutely. Yeah, because it's Florida. Now, the ringleader is Edward Cruz Jr., not surprising, 40 years old of New Jersey. He is the leader of this meth network, which allegedly imported meth from the West Coast and from New York, which is obviously right there. He faces 20 years in prison.

Also, other people here, Kyle Tiringer. Who's Kyle? Kyle. Was found with people here, Kyle Tiringer. Who's Kyle? Kyle. Was found with more than an ounce of GHB. Oh. That guy was. Not good. He's a real scumbag.

Oh, boy. He's also charged with possession of GHB with intent to distribute within 1,000 feet of a school. Of course. And that's interesting. It's called NYU. Yeah. Of anywhere in New York.

Also, some other guy, 26 years old. He's involved in the meth ring. He had five ounces of methamphetamine and they were always, you know, they have all the all the surveillance and everything. Another inmate co-defendant of hers is one that she met in jail. She didn't know her. Beverly Sierra. This girl, she's 24. She used to work for an insurance company she's arrested

and the distribution charge as well she's eddie cruz's girlfriend and uh she says she's she's been charged as kind of the ringleader right along with him because she's his girlfriend and they live together she's been getting the benefits of whatever i guess she's been dating him for seven months and lived with him in an apartment until their arrest. They did an interview there with Sierra, and she says she's only in jail because of guilt by association. And she's used meth on occasion to help her study for insurance tests at work. Obviously, otherwise, never. Meth helps you study? Interesting.

What? No. She said, I was surrounded by people that dealt drugs. This is Sierra. That's Sierra girl. You know what's sad? The people that were doing it, they are out there. They are out there living the life.

What was I doing? I was working. I was being a good girl. I can't wait for my court date. I want to fight it. She's got a $200,000 bail, so she's going to chill for a while while she waits for that. She thinks that somebody that's out there addicted to meth is living the life? Living the life. Wow. Just fucking sucking down meth like a champ the the fucking logic i'm in here they're

out there living the fucking life living it up i'm out here working a day job benefiting from the sales of meth and i'm in jail how these these meth users are out there in their limos eating their fancy dinners going to their fancy parties oh good lord the logic of this dumb sending their kids to ivy league schools and where am i man she also the injustice oh goodness this sierra woman says in the press she has no problem of acknowledging nicole's involvement in the ring she says that nicole distributed the drug out of her chelsea apartment along with three other people that would come pick it up quote her house was being used her apartment was being used people would go over there pick up the

drugs and leave so she was pretty much distributing she was a fucking clearinghouse that's what she was she was a she was the stash house she's a stash house that's the same thing that's a whether you're handing the meth to someone buying it from someone to then hand to someone or you're the person holding it in the middle it's all the same thing right you're a stash house and it was sienna or sierra sierra i'm sure your place had a lot more yeah oh it did just broken up to you know yeah she's a dipshit so they asked bobeck about that and she said quote legally i can't answer that question obviously sierra says she didn't even meet bobeck until they were in jail together but had spoken to her over the phone when bobeck had called for cruise on multiple occasions

she said the first time they saw each other in person bobeck's introduction was this i'm from florida they call me west palm bitch whoa so that's what she said that's impressive that's yeah i guess i like that nickname better than knox yeah west palm bitch i like that that's what she said they call me west palm bitch okay she says bo back in jail and a few days she was there ran exercise classes for the women in jail did cartwheels all over the place to practice and made drawings with the colored pencils sierra was using for makeup in lieu of eyeliner. She says that Nicole told her how much Cruz loved her. She said that Cruz had told her that she really loved Sierra, that he really loved Sierra.

She said Bobak even made a tube top for her in jail and inscribed it with Ed loves Bev, which they actually, a local newspaper talked about it and ran with it there uh she said but bobeck also became upset and nervous a lot and expressed fears that her mother wasn't going to bail her out of jail and she said when the two of them were relaxing in the recreation yard uh she said that bobeck would cry when she was had nothing to do she said quote this is sierra she was very smart and she fit in with everyone but she seemed a little scared she would always like to be alone and she asked uh she would always ask me for a lollipop so i don't know another inmate here rosemary williams who's also involved in the

meth in the meth ring uh she or i'm sorry she's a she's the uh she's like a porter in jail she's like a trustee basically she's in there and she like is the one that the inmates who like hand out the bedding and shit to the other inmates. She's the Brooks from Shawshank. There you go. Trustee. So yeah, she said that our,

it was her job to give Nicole the rules and give her her supplies. She said, quote, Nicole was happy, smiling, giggling, but she was upset. She was here.

You could tell she didn't belong here. Some people are revolving doors and you can tell she was classy she was here you could tell she didn't belong here some people are revolving doors and you can tell she was classy we told her everybody makes mistakes you just have to learn from them they're fucking supportive these women in jail jesus christ you're in a meth network and they're still like everybody makes mistakes wow she told her bobeck told this woman that she enjoyed skating but her life went in a different direction. She regrets it, but she is hopeful for the future. Another inmate, Jackie Santos, was in there. She was talking to Bobeck in Florida.

She says about Nicole, quote, she said that jail was a lot better than the one in Florida. I'm sorry, she was talking about Florida, and that was about the four-star thing. She mentioned she was in the Olympics, but no one really talked about it. Everyone has their own problems in jail. So, yeah, the Santos lady said, I like her. She was really friendly. She left me her number. She lives in New York also in Chelsea.

She hang out with other inmates when you get out. That's a good lesson learned. Yeah. She said that another woman said she'd barely noticed her. She said she was social. But when it comes to the officers, they try to stay away unless they have a question everyone is miserable in jail but you make the best of it while you're in here i just think it's sad what's for someone with so much talent but it's never too late everybody has a story to tell i hope she makes it what the women are so fucking

different i hope she men would be like i'm glad i got to rape him while he was in here that would not i hope she makes it i hope i get to rape him again in a different jail or maybe on the outside, if God willing. I'm gonna be honest. He had the tightest asshole in here. It's a shame. He's gone. It's a shame. He's gone.

Totally different sentences. Longer. Jesus Christ. July 9, 2009. Yeah. Her mother said that she would never do anything criminal. This is ridiculous. She said her daughter liked to party and may be in trouble because of the company she keeps, but she would never have meth.

She said, quote, if she is in some kind of trouble, she's probably in some trouble because she got in with the wrong company. I do strongly believe she would never do anything criminal. She said, did she party? Probably, yes. I know she's a wonderful person and she has a very good heart. A lot of times that's been taken advantage of. Um, she, uh, the mother also said, it's very upsetting to me. She's my only child.

She's going for the golden Gilretha award here. This is like, this is golden Gilretha territory. Did you see her mugshot? Don't say, I don't know. Just wrong people say my daughter's got a fucking problem and I want to help her. She's clearly as meth. That's probably why she was. She's on meth.

That's probably why she was involved in this ring. That's the angle I would be playing. She's got a problem. Not she's sick. Not she's a criminal. Clearly on drugs because not even just the hair color. It's the thinning of it. Oh, it's just all.

It's greasy. It's greasy. Her face is a lot of trouble. She looks bad. Yeah, she looked like she needs help. Clearly. Johnny Weir said, quote, It was greasy. Her face is a lot of trouble. She looks bad. Yeah, she looked like she needs help. Clearly, Johnny Weir said, quote, It was terrible. It was so devastating because I've always I always have and always will think of Nicole as such a bright light and such a beautiful person. It was a shock.

The spirit was out of her eyes. It didn't look like Nicole Bobeck. To me, it looked like a stranger. Very sad. To me, it looked like a stranger. Very sad. So August of 2009, she gets out of jail, and she is working at the Belle Maison Shop, which is a gift shop in a Jupiter, Florida strip mall that her mom owns.

That's where she's hanging out here. It's got scented soaps and shit like that. Crappy grandmother shit, they call it. It's a knockoff Bath and Body Works. almost like a hallmark store kind of thing here so uh she spends most of her time there hanging out doing her shit um yeah she says people know who i am there's pictures of me all over the store so they obviously ask and then they have to talk to them about shit and that's no fun james her hips went bad her hair went black was that was that was that a black lab and was it radioactive i think so i think that's the problem turning into

a dog i think she got bit by a radioactive black hips went bad and she grew black hair but but she could smell meth from three miles away she gets track honing on it meth in new york from jersey that's the that. It's from Florida. From Jupiter, Florida. They call her West Palm Bitch. West Palm Bitch. I wish I could name the show West Palm Bitch. What's a female dog, James?

That's what I'm saying. West Palm Bitch. That's why I said, yeah. I'm totally up with this theory. She has turned into a lab. She's like a spider lab person. She's having a Spider-Man syndrome here. Unbelievable.

So apparently, fall of 2009, she started seeing an addiction counselor, started taking classes toward her GED and all of that sort of shit. She drove to the Palm Beach Skate Zone looking for a place to skate. After a couple weeks, she asked the rink manager if she could work there and so she began working for free managing the concession stand jesus for free no um handling skate rentals mopping floors and cleaning toilets for what free for free oh boy she's a service dog this is not good this is well she's a service dog. This is not good. This is, well, she's a service dog, but a service dog, I feel like, would get more treats than just skating. They would get those little steaks.

Right. And she's not getting that, dude. God damn. I don't see it. I don't see it at all. I feel like she's more, that's very, they're going to have to put her down soon, I think. They are. They're going to have to put her down with those hips like that. I feel like we're going to have to.

They're going to have to put her down soon, I think. They're going to have to put her down with those hips like that. I feel like we're going to have to. Finally, she worked there so much that the guy said, okay, I guess I'll pay you since you're here all the time anyway. She worked there for a long time. She started teaching power skating and edge skills to hockey players there just to teach them shit because she knew stuff that they didn't know, I guess. And apparently, the guy who owned it didn't know who she was when she showed up.

But then after I learned about her, looked her up and found out about her skating and her drug use and her criminal history, he said he wasn't going to let the past affect his judgment of her. He says that, quote, I think I could tell people with those issues are late for work. They don't dress properly. They act irritable. Nicole shows up on time is well dressed handles herself well handles customers well and never drinks from the toilet so you know i think he looked her up saw she used to get a lot of blowies and was like i'll keep her around keep her around here she's i heard she's fun i'm just gonna say that it's got her nose in a crotch yeah you know just she is a black lab or a yellow lab

or a fucking chocolate lab it really doesn't matter we don't know what color oh so uh some parents though had reluctance to have their children around someone who literally is still going through the court process for meth distribution which is understandable i would say here among them were her boyfriend's parents who didn't like her either her boyfriend's name is brendan yankee who was the assistant rink manager and uh 21 years old which is way younger than her at the time so uh yeah that's interesting he said he said quote when started dating, they were concerned about me getting involved and possibly getting into trouble. And I can't blame them for thinking that. Once they started to see who Nicole really was, they welcomed the relationship.

Yeah, I bet so here. Yeah, so she said that another parent said everyone here knows her and likes her for who she is, not what she did. So, yeah, they're all saying that. In late 2009, she appeared in the Rinks Christmas show and skated on synthetic ice at a local mall for a charity fundraiser. She also talked with Todd Eldridge about having basically people getting her back into shape to skate. That's what she wants to do. She said, quote, there's a skating body in here somewhere. Without the meth, probably.

She said she stopped smoking. Her boyfriend confirms it. Her hair is blonde again. She covered up her pockmarks and pitting with fucking makeup now. She looks better. She's not on meth, obviously. You know, still looking decent.

She did miss a probation appointment though and that wasn't great but uh she had to do drug tests immediately and all that and she passed them and all that if she fails a drug test she can go to prison for five years just for that so she's in in uh tough shit just because we she hasn't even been sentenced yet so she's being being fucking watched very closely here. Fosse's wife, Christia, or whatever, said, hopefully the change will last. At 33, you either pull yourself together or go bad for the rest of your life. I love how fucking blunt people from Italy are.

You either pull it together or you're going to die. I don't know. Fuck out of here. You're bad for the rest of your life. You're bad for the rest of your life like an apple with a bruise. It's not going to get better. Now, she said that she needs to prove herself. She's focusing on her GED right now. I want to finish high school and write the judge letting him know.

That's what she's got to do, this sort of thing. Like, hey, look what I'm doing. I'm 33. Yeah, so she had a drug counseling appointment. She's driving a Volkswagen Eos, is what this article says, at the time. And the office she goes into, she has to, basically it's the same building where you register as a sex offender. She has to go to, which is very nice. She doesn't have to do that, obviously.

She'd been there. She said she went the day before, waited an hour in line, and then was told the computers were down. Just an hour with these yuck people? Yeah. This time she walked in and they told her they still weren't working, so she could take a hike now. This was on her 33rd birthday. She had to drive to four different Palm Beach County locations to have a probation officer assigned. That was what she had to do.

And then the law gave her 48 hours to register as a criminal living in the area. And then she finally got it done when she was trying to do it there. She said, quote, They make it really difficult for you to get back into society. It's a pain in the butt to get into trouble. Yeah, that's why we all don't involve ourselves in meth rings. It's just a pain in the ass. It's a deterrent. It's supposed to be the fucking hassle that it is to fucking deal with it.

That's what it is. She said, quote, I couldn't have been given a bigger chance in my life to do something right. So she wants to do something right. 2010, she pleads guilty to conspiracy to distribute and crystal meth. And for her, you know, her whole role, she says, I take full responsibility for my actions. Not everyone falls into substance abuse because of the loss of a job or the death of a loved one she says it was joyce's death that made her turn to meth okay i don't think so now um on her crime here uh edward cruz by the way uh he's gonna end up getting 16 years in this as the

leader of this whole thing he uh he says that uh nicole admitted that to only obtaining drugs and meeting with with edward cruz she says she never sold drugs it was just a stash house okay yeah so i mean duh she said when they got uh when they got me i was passing something along to a friend and i didn't get a penny out of it what i got was a little bit for personal use so yeah oh you're you did sell drugs just for a shit price you did it for meth because you're a you're a fucking crackhead that they can give 12 cents worth of meth to rather than actual money right that's fucking even that means you were even sadder down the food chain she's just a user with a stash house and i didn't get a penny

out of it was i got was a little for personal use and that's why i did it i didn't get a penny out of it. It was a little for personal use, and that's why I did it. I didn't need to sell drugs because every Monday I had my $350 in the bank. Prosecutor wants jail time. Prosecutor says she is a significant player in the ring. Her apartment and everything played a huge part in all this. Couldn't have been done without her. And distributed $10,000 worth of meth a week out of her apartment. That's what they're saying. He said, quote, this is not a situation where she was buying drugs to pass it on to another associate. thousand dollars worth of meth a week out of her apartment that's what they're saying uh he said

quote this is not a situation where she was buying drugs to pass it on to another associate that's the prosecutor saying she is fucking you know she's involved she made her first court appearance and her bail was reduced from 200 000 to 100 000 which i suppose is helpful there. They said she she the prosecutor is asking for three hundred sixty four days in prison for a level two conspiracy manufacturing, distributing, dispensing crystal methamphetamine. So the difference between prison and jail, right? Yes. Three hundred sixty four days in prison. But I don't know how they would do it there. She stood.

It's just a year. I don't know. She stood in the courtroom there. She listened to it's just a year, I don't know. She stood in the courtroom there. She listened to the prosecutor. She said that she was beyond terrified. She said she hoped the judge would see the evidence that she's working, going to drug counseling. She's getting her high school diploma.

She's doing all this type of shit. And then she said, I believe the judge did see even the mugshot. He mentioned the way it compared to how I looked now. She had cleaned herself. You can tell she's not that now. She looks a lot better.

And he said, quote, it will start. The judge even said it will start with the mugshot. I don't think it could be any clearer than that. Also, letters of support come in from family and friends. Her mother said, quote, her mother was happy that she got arrested she said when the arrest happened as terrible as it was it was a good thing it was the help she needed right somebody else taking a responsibility for her rather than me yeah and probably saved her life somebody actually you know was making her of consequences billy corgan yeah said that he

immediately called nicole's attorney to offer his help since you know he said that he talked to her before and talked to her in a long time but maybe he could be of some assistance he said since then he was talking to her two or three times a day he and the jojo starbuck and fossy's wife all these people wrote wrote letters to the judge to to ask her asked for probation and not fucking and not prison one letter from jojo starbucks, I know that Nicole is truly ashamed, humbled, and contrite by any actions that led to her associations or

involvements in this conviction. I believe that she desperately desires to not only put this nightmare behind her, but to work hard to establish herself as an inspiration and role model again. And the judge says, you, ma'am, may fuck off five years probation.

Oh, Jesus. Probation. Yeah. Going for 364 days in five years. Oh, God. Oh, Jesus. How much do you hate me? Oh, Jesus.

And 250 hours of community service. Still a pretty big deal. And a big, fat fucking fine that she'll never be able to pay back. Really? Yeah. She says she views her punishment as an opportunity. She said, I've been given the chance to make a difference and hopefully help others who suffer from addiction problems, do benefits, get back on the ice and continue with my treatment

and everything I do to change my life around. So, yes, Jojo Starbuck told her that, Nicole, you have to prove to everyone you are who this letter says you are that he wrote. I want that judge to sit in his easy chair some night and watch you do something great or read about it and say to himself, I'm glad I made that decision. So later in 2000, later in 2010, she said, quote, these horror stories you hear you hear about. I could have very well been one of them. It's very scary. I'm very thankful every day I'm alive.

I feel more alive than ever because i am not behind bars fucking obviously yeah i mean jesus christ she was feeling sorry for herself there a little bit i mean she's not even easy to feel sorry for because it's all self-inflicted i'll tell you who is easy to feel sorry for i feel sorry for these people jimmy uh oh yeah nicole Bob Bobeck, customer service analyst at IEEE in greater New York City area. Oh, no. Definitely not her because she went to Johnson and Wales University. Right. And I know fucking this one didn't.

Nicole Bobeck, International Design Source Inc. in Naples, Florida. Again, not her because she went to Florida State University. So, those ladies. How about that? Uh-oh. So, those ladies. How about that? Uh-oh. Yeah, not great. 2010, she began teaching skating to other junior hockey players. Todd Eldridge invited her to a Stars on Ice show,

where she reconnected with her old coach and starts getting back into shape. 2011, she returned to performing at the Skate for Love benefit for the Susan G. Komen for the Cure Foundation. That was hosted by JoJo Starbuck. And she said, quote, I've been on the ice, back on the ice for about a year now. It took me a long time to get my balance again after six years. You really lose the rotation and all those things. It took me three months to do a single axle again.

Again. Wow. I hear you, sister. Yeah. By January 2012, she had recovered all of her double jumps except the axle, it says.

I don't know why that's important, but November 30th, 2011, she does the Caesars Tribute 2, a salute to the ladies of the ice. And it's one of her, you know, big first appearances. She says, I'm so excited I can't even explain. People are asking me if I'm nervous.

And I say, I'm not nervous. I'm excited. It's a really great feeling. The response I've had from family and friends is wonderful. They're so excited. It's a huge step. I'm so very proud. I'm blessed that I've been given a second chance in life.

Life is so much better now. I think I was in a dark place. And now I believe that I have God on my side. God on my side. Was this in Vegas, or was this sponsored by Little Caesars? I don't know if it was sponsored by Little Caesars or a tribute to Caesar himself. What the fuck was going on here? Fucking something. Skating, skating.

I truly believe that I bloomed into a different kind of person yeah and uh she says honestly it's taken me a really long time to get back into form people say oh it's like riding a bike well not really it took me three good months to before i could even start jumping yeah um the the show includes uh tara lapinski nancy kerrigan sasha sasha cohen sasha baron cohen farats there i stayed he bullshit him i think Tara Lipinski, Nancy Kerrigan, Sasha Cohen. Sasha Baron Cohen? Farat's there? Did he bullshit him? Wow, he's really good.

The best bullshitter of all time. He's the best. He's the best. He made them believe he's an ice skater. He learned to do triple axles and shit to fit into this. That's impressive. That's wild. Sasha, my hat's off to you.

Just to get them to say incriminating things about child exploitation. Yeah, yeah. Just going to have them say it there. Oh, boy, my butthole still hurts from when I was nine years old and my one coach stilled me repeatedly. Does yours? So the event also includes a tribute to Peggy Fleming. Very exciting. She says, not only is it an honor, I think the whole concept of the show is just a fabulous idea.

Between Peggy Fleming being there, Nancy Kerrigan skating, and Sarah Hughes, I don't think you can get any better than that. I know I'm fucking breathless. I'm blown away. Yeah, so she said, quote, one of the things skaters hold on to, and I think the audience loves to see us do, is our trademark things. We say we're doing our tricks out there and doing the tricks the best we can. The joy where I am now is not about the demands of competition.

It's that you have to do five triples in the program or 20,000 spins. I skate now because I love to and for the audience. It's totally free. A different kind of skating. I'm out there enjoying the music and feeling the crowd

i've never been more excited wow she has replaced fucking and meth with skating so uh since then she also gets she goes and gets trapeze training and aerial hoop training at south florida circus arts school oh boy and then she joined the circus she's performed with the rainbow circus in miami in the trapeze i guess so january 2017 she loves the circus so much she marries a circus performer named pedro santos leal yeah um i've looked this guy up there's several pedro santos leals there's an artist there is a couple that are in like cirque de soleil and circus shit and i i assume it's the same guy it might be if it's that guy he's also got an identical twin brother which is weird as fuck so yeah um i did find the weird part is and then i found a facebook post saying that congratulating nicole bobeck as the

new mrs uh nicole Bobeck Lopez. His name isn't Lopez. So she married somebody else? No, they just got it wrong on face. Somebody's article. So who the fuck knows? But December of 2019, they announced that they are having a baby. She it's born

by now because it was going to be born in an early February of 2020. What is it named at Crystal? It's a boy. It's a boy that they already knew. They're getting ready to welcome the son here. They married in 2017. She now lives in Spain with Pedro Santos Leal and their baby.

They chose to name it Alejandro Santos Bobeck. That is his name. Can't get enough, Nicole Bobeck. She's turned it around, James. She's doing great now. She lives in Spain. She's's doing fantastic all she had to do was not do meth i mean it's really pretty easy she had everything else it's just stop doing meth stupid fuck can't get enough there's tons of stuff autograph shit i found a nicole bobeck card like a figure skating card and i found the median price for it is 30 cents so you can get from sports

illustrated kids apparently they had those cards inside and one of them is nicole bobeck here um she hopes to be a television broadcaster someday it has on the back of her card i don't know when that's gonna happen but not now she's living in spain with her kid. That is Nicole Bobeck, everybody. What a fucking mess of shit that was. A hornet's nest of shit. What a life she's lived. She's lived quite the life. She's in her 40s. I'm going to be honest.

I didn't know she existed until like a month ago. Two months ago, maybe. I didn't know that it was so bad. I didn't know she was a person. I swear there was another girl that when she was skating that was like her competition. We were always eyeballing her versus somebody else. Maybe it was Michelle Kwan. It's probably Michelle Kwan.

I have no idea. I don't remember. They were always one, two, three, four. They were always right behind each other. I just remember her being hot. Michelle Kwan took it over. She did meth. So if you enjoyed that, tell us about it or tell the world about it.

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And you know what I need, Jimmy? Yeah? there's only one thing that will satisfy me right now and that is to hear the names of the greatest fucking people in the world who would never ever ever try to sell meth to me jimmy hit me with those names right now this week's executive producers are michelle riley uh fun uh fun malayo ebo eboda. Don't look at me, man. I'll never be able to pronounce it. And they donated both ways. Thank you so much. Oh, Jesus.

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Thank you, everybody, so much. They have offered us things things they will say not meth but we've been offered coke plenty of things. Look, I don't like coke. I don't need that. Have you seen me bring that to my head will explode and fuck man. So that is all good. What if they wanted to get a hold of you and do coke with you? How could they do it at

Westman sucks? W H I S M A and sucks Twitter Instagram. Boom. There you go. Where are you? I was going to say Twitter and Instagram, and then you said it. I don't know why I was going to help you say your own name. Where can they find you? I don't know anymore. I'm at Jimmy P is funny or whatever. Just copy and paste my name and do all that shit.

I don't know. Do all of that. We're around like Nicole Boback. No, we are around. She's been around. It's a big difference. Okay okay we had to get one more cheap cheap aha yeah she by the way is no more hoary than basically every male athlete we've ever talked about so this is not just a slutty to that just a slutty and we don't give a shit it's all good talk about it in the press we're just we're happier with her doing it that's better we don't want some guy going out there getting a bunch of people pregnant.

This is much better. Or doing it against her will. That's what I'm saying. So either way, I don't give a shit. That's fine. It's all good. We did it and it's fine. Live from the Crime and Sports Studios, we will see you next week.

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