Crime in Sports - #227 - Eat Your Heart Out, KFC - The Unfamiliarness of Nate "Grave" Driggers

Episode Date: September 29, 2020

This week, we dig into the nooks & crannies to find someone who only had a brief moment of sunshine in the NBA, despite his work ethic & talent. He instead filled his time with playing overseas & in smaller pro leagues, as well as starting a couple of businesses. Unfortunately, that were illegal, and had to do with drugs, guns, train robberies & more! We laugh ourselves silly at what can only be described as seriously nuts. A true gem in the rough! Put KFC's blend of original herbs & spices to shame, fist fight your way to the NBA, and when confronted by clear & obvious evidence, always deny it anyway with Nate "Grave" Driggers!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder#  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Oh, we got a fun one for you here today. It is, like I said, probably a guy you've never heard of, Nathan Allen Driggers. Nate Driggers. Nate Driggers. No. No. NFL?

No. No? Should have been. Hockey player. Probably? No. No? Should have been. Hockey player. Probably. No, no. Should have been an NFL player, but ended up in basketball instead. Really?

Several people have said that. He chose the wrong sport. Bit of a violent guy on the court. Really? And off, but on the court as well. And he was told by several people, I think he chose the wrong sport, dude. You're a little too tough for this. And his nickname, being that he's so tough, given to him by a coach, is Nate Grave Driggers.

Okay. So there you go. That's a frightening man. He's a frightening man. And you'll find out what he's done. He is a frightening man. Oh, boy. He's got some personality to him, though.

I like that. He's kind of a perplexing cat as we'll get into like he's he'll almost like he gets to a certain point and he's like good enough and he's just like that's that's fine don't need any more very humble man but it's it's very strange i don't understand it like he doesn't really want to okay let's just get into it he He's born October 12th, 1973. He's a Chicago kid, born and raised in Chicago, south side of Chicago. Oh, boy. He grows up to be a big duty, six foot five and stocky but muscular. He's built like Xavier McDaniel or something like back then.

I'm trying to think of an old there. Everybody's built like that now in the NBA. But I'm trying to think of somebody from that time period that looks like an Anthony Mason type, not quite as bulky as Anthony Mason, who, of course, looked like Tiny Lister, for fuck's sake. Nate McMillan looked great. Yeah, he wasn't as...

No, he was cut. He looked fantastic. Driggers is like... Everybody says he's built like a linebacker. Everybody says he's, you know, and acts like a linebacker, too. Thicker Sean Kemp. Thicker, but he's everybody says he's built like a linebacker. Everybody says he's, you know, and acts like a linebacker. Thicker Sean Kemp. Thicker, but he's only 6'5", too.

He gets that way because coming up through school and in college, he'll play for a small college, as we'll talk about. He plays forward. So he's 6'5", down there, banging around with people, throwing elbows. But then when he gets into the higher leagues here leagues here professional it's he's a guard he's six five you know unless you're charles barkley right and you have a 45 inch vertical jump like he did back in the day and a giant ass to bump people out of the way or he's playing smallest forward yeah yeah i mean barkley's the only guy you're gonna find i'm sure there's another one someone will think up but that's six foot four and small power he's my small he's a power four

he used to lead the league and or at least be in the top three and rebounding it four and he's my small he's a power four he used to lead the league and or at least be in the top three and rebounding it's ridiculous he's i've met charles barkley he is my height we are eye to fucking eye and i'm like i can't i can't average 15 rebounds a game in the nba that's crazy what the fuck man how do you do that so he grows up in chicago from what i can find in some background search type things he appears to have a couple of sisters around his age that are all kind of within a year or two of each other. I believe one of them passed away at some point in the 90s in Chicago. I'm not sure exactly where they ended up because from what I've gathered here, and there's very, very little about his background. here and there's very very little about his background like i said uh very little about it because he never was on like a big stage long enough for anybody to really go wonder what makes

that guy right they're always he's always in the in the stage of who the hell's that guy and then he'd leave and they go man i never found out who that guy was and they'd write about the next guy yeah so uh from what i found though every four different articles described his, quote, horrific childhood. Oh, I want to know so much more. Well, I have a couple of details here. I mean, it doesn't get much more horrific, I guess. He was abandoned by his parents. Yeah.

Apparently just abandoned. Just left somewhere to fend for himself as a like a small child didn't even take him to a fire station no fuck no they were just like we're moving and they didn't tell him i think they just like left and the landlord came to clean the place out and they're like what the hell are you doing here and he's eating a bowl of cereal they were john goodman and raising arizona and they just didn't turn the car around to go get him that's it they just left him there whatever i guess he'll figure it out he just never did in the future never leave a man behind never so he apparently this is fucking wild he apparently is forced after some trying to kind of make his way on his own on the streets in the

south side of chicago as a child which i don't really know how you do yeah i couldn't do that today i'm 39 who how could you do that yeah that would be hard to do if you had like a debit card yeah and like you could get food and stuff and at least knowledge of how to get a job application yeah no he was just wandering around i don't know if he learned rat rotisserie or i don't know how he's feeding himself i have no idea it's horrible to think about. He's a small child wandering the streets. Chicago fried rat.

Chicago fried rat. Yeah. Maybe they do. Maybe it's like the shopping cart jerk chicken with Trevor Burbick. Maybe it's a similar thing to that. I'm not sure. Chicago's own herbs and spices. Yeah, Chicago's own herbs and spices. They're from the ghetto.

It's a totally different thing here. They're from the ghetto gutters. Yeah, Chicago's own herbs and spices. They're from the ghetto. It's a totally different thing here. They're from the ghetto gutters. Yeah, it's their own unique blend. That's why you can't duplicate it. Just a little bit of road salt, some chunks of asphalt, makes the best wrap. The Colonel's a punk bitch. Let me tell you about Chicago rotisserie wrap. Never mind Kentucky Fried Chicken.

Chicago rotisserie wrap. You want to talk about original herbs and spices? Yeah got it covered they've been selling us their bullshit deep dish pizza all this time yeah they've been sitting on this rat and let's i will say this and i've said this every time we have a live show in chicago when there's a thousand chicagoans in there i have to make the point to say stop calling your pizza pizza stop it stop it now embrace your casserole it's fine it's a casserole i've said it for since i fucking knew what a chicago pizza was you have a casserole right it's a delicious casserole it really is don't get it wrong it's beautiful with sausage and shit delicious it really is but it's not pizza so don't say like oh this is better pizza

than that pizza no it's unique to itself you know how long a pizza takes to make, James? Roughly about 20 to 25 minutes. If it takes you an hour and a fucking half, it's not a pizza anymore. A real pizza takes like seven minutes in a pizza oven and it's fucking done. Literally like seven to nine minutes. I'm talking about from construction to put it in a box. 15 minutes. 11 minutes if it's a pizza guy

like a good pizza guy good like new york albanian pizza guy forget about he's gonna throw that shit together in two seconds when it's gotta cook three times longer than it takes to make a pizza yeah it's not a pizza anymore too much and then the other thing then when they make the regular pizza in chicago a normal thin crust pizza i get that you want to have the cracker crust fine it's delicious too i like crispy as much as the next guy why must you cut it like fucking assholes why i mean everyone who's seen a live show knows i asked this in person and people go yeah why do we do that they don't know either why are you making squares out of a circle why would you okay the point of a pizza let's talk about a pizza right now and its properties and okay the point of a

pizza it's a round thing you've got it in triangles therefore you have a handle right in the crust it's a little bit on the edge it's a natural handle it's fucking beautiful it's already there already then you eat the handle and it's gone it's the most beautiful fucking thing that's why pizza is amazing it's amazing it's like a sandwich you just eat it and it's gone you eat the bread you eat when it's on there's no evidence done you guys have taken that and you go what if yeah instead of putting my fingers on the handle part where there's a crust but what if i just put it in the greasy cheese and sauce what if i just made my pizza disgusting with finger fucking holes in it and my fingers are covered in shit what if i did oh and there's nothing to hold the cheese on there to stick to so when you take a bite the cheese just

all comes out and it falls down your face you have burning hot sauce on your face who the fuck decided this was a thing to do with a pizza who said that yeah what is happening i don't understand making a square out of circle it's just illogogical. That's my problem. It doesn't make any sense. No. Yeah. Circle gets to square. Fuck you. And I love Chicago.

I love it. It's one of the greatest places in America. I love your food. I love everything about it. Just cut it normal and I'll eat the thin crust and be happy with it. For the love of God. Okay. Sorry.

But when a fork is required, it's no longer a pizza no it's it's a casserole that's a delicious creation it's wonderful stop calling it that not a pizza pizza's made a certain way yeah that's been called that you don't fucking make macaroni and cheese and say have some of the spaghetti that's not spaghetti well no and macaroni could technically but still no it's fucking stupid the whole there's no there's a certain way it's made it's just taking one thing and calling it something else it's not even a and then ruining it that's all it's just taking a cake yeah and saying you know what cake is right yeah here's some lamb that's cake now okay no it's cake i called it cake so it's better cake than your cake but if you like the lamb but no it's probably a closer comparison saying would you like a cake uh here's a cupcake that's not a it's not cake it's no and it's a cup right

and then saying here's a cupcake and then just giving somebody an entire cake this is different look in the cupcake it makes it very easy for me to eat it. It's nice, yeah, in one sitting. I can't hold this whole cake and mush it into my face. I'd like to try. Don't get me wrong, but whatever. He's wandering the streets, coming up with his own special blend of herbs and spices.

Chicago fried rat. Yes. Just picture him on a rotisserie. It's the saddest thing you've ever thought about a homeless abandoned child with a little rotisserie with a rat but for some reason it's like olden polonise with the bad bin it's an awful thought but fuck is it somehow funny i don't know why so he is and it happened is the thing that's crazy it's wild that this is real and uh so he is forced eventually he's taken off the streets because you know he's a child

and he's eventually taken the state takes the hold of him somebody found him yeah and he goes through which might be this might end up in the end being worse than making rotisserie rats he goes through a series of foster homes which i don't know if a lot of people know about what foster homes are a lot most people like if you just think about a foster home you think about foster home you think about like a nice couple who had like two kids and wanted more and you know had a medical problem and couldn't so they're taking foster kids that's not what there are situations like that where they're absolutely like that and they're we're gonna say some ugly shit right here so i have to preface this by saying there are foster parents whose goal it is in life they just want to dedicate their life to helping children and take them in and helping them

and they do everything for them and they they take they take in, you know, special needs kids that are, that nobody else fucking wants to deal with. And they, you know, there's some amazing people out there. There are heroes. There's also a shitload of assholes. Absolutely.

Monsters look at every kid as a check and they take in kids and they, that's their profession is they are parents of kids. Nobody wants, and they take money from, you know, whatever. And they got 13 of them in a 2000 square nobody wants and they take money from you know whatever and they got 13 of them in a 2 000 square foot house and they're cashing these goddamn checks and they're not doing anything for these children and some of these group homes i know kids that were in group homes man and shit like that they're fucking horrible they're like basically a lot of them are like jails and especially very inner city ones are like fucking jails a lot of

times they're treated awful. There's a lot of violence in there. There's sexual assault. There's a lot of shit. So these kids learn to be aggressive very fucking fast. Like they get this, they get a prison mentality by the time they're 12. Remember on the wire?

Cause you ended up seeing some of it there on the wire. Randy, the kid whose house got fire bombed and, and the end there and his foster mother was in the hospital dying god damn it and not at the end it's in like the fourth season okay i've seen that yeah his house gets firebombed he was like they kind of a half-ass witness or whatever and they were guarding his house and all that shit his house gets firebombed his foster mother who was one of the good people who took in a kid and was you know very much

watched over him and made sure he did his homework and all that shit. She's burned in the fire. So he has to go back in a group home and you just see him like stealing himself for it because he's done it before. He's got money and he's putting it in the fucking spine of his book. Right. And he's fucking like getting his shit already and he gets in there and he's like ready to fight right away. And, you know, that's how it is. That's how it is.

That's real. That's fucking real. So when you learn later about how he got a nickname like Gravedriggers, it makes sense with his upbringing. If your parents abandoned you, you were on the streets, and then you grew up in a series of foster homes, it means it never worked out. It means it didn't go well. It wasn't permanent homes. No one took him in. And oh, and we're your new family.

There was no blindside bullshit going on here. You know what I mean? I don't mean fucking racially. It just of any kind. Somebody sort of just helping a child to didn't happen to grow to their potential. It's just I realize that Mike, that was also a load of shit. And that kid would have been fine on his own still. But either way, I'm just saying there was no story like that with this when it came to it.

It was just bad. Being honest, that movie really fucked that whole that guy's whole life oh yeah now he's that guy oh it must have been so nice having sandra bullock help you and he's like i was doing shit i played football i worked my ass off before i met that woman i saw her taco bell money yeah i could have made me in the nfl i don't fucking need it now i'm out of it because nobody cares weird thing thing on an episode of Below Deck, the boat show there, her and her friends were the party. The real lady? The real lady were the party there.

Jesus. It was like this fucking lady. She can't stop cashing in on him. I would just be going around telling people, I just, you know, it wasn't that, he would have been great on his, he was a good kid. But instead she's out there running around acting like I'm the reason. I saved him. I made it. I saved him. I basically was drafted by the baltimore ravens the baltimore ravens quarterbacks should

thank me for their great protection we're not having broken legs they would have them if it wasn't for me they should just sponsor the chalupa you're welcome sandra bullock as well so gave away a lot of free twisties oh you know it always so he's forced to grow up in a series of foster homes yeah and then eventually see we always talk about silver haired middle-aged white men and we always say that's not a non-racial thing it just happens to be kind of the blanket term you use and it's could be any color dude any color any any gender it doesn't have to be a man just happens to be overwhelmingly populated by white men with fucking silver silver air that are willing to overlook anything if it

helps what they're trying to do if it helps them as a coach or whatever will overlook any indiscretion that goes on that's the normal overwhelmingly that's what they look like to the detriment of society the you know the greater good doesn't matter. I'm telling you that. I think he can get 18 a game. You know, I know he beat his wife half to death. But I mean, do you see that jumper? It's smooth.

Listen, he plays D and shoots jumpers. This is rare. He's going to be back in this courtroom. It's ridiculous. Yeah. And it could be any sport, too, because we say, oh, he hits the ball 400 feet. What the hell do I? We've seen it in ice skating for fuck's sake. Oh, look at her she does a triple axel i mean i don't know she smokes three packs a day and you know tell sponsors to go fuck their mothers but as you know that

lots is flawless it's pretty good stuff i think she could make me a name so it's everywhere yeah he finds sometimes it's actually helpful for the kid and and a lot of times it is. And in this situation, his basketball ability helps him to where a basketball coach basically adopts him, takes him under his wing, moves him into his house, teaches him everything about basketball, really just makes him kind of – I mean, obviously, this is helping the basketball coach, too. This is a 6'5 athletic, aggressive guy that you're getting. So you want him, but at the same time for Nate fucking, this is great. It's better than a series of foster homes. Gives him some, some stability for high school anyway, to play basketball. This should call those very specific concentration camps rather than foster homes. I get the foster homes really easy to say.

Group homes are really, they're the toughest. That's the ugly. They're tough, man. And it's such a brown, you know, just a bland, just a blends into the fold word. Yeah. Group home. Yeah. Just a, it's opaque, tan, beige.

Sounds very unoffensive. You say tan beige because in Phoenix everything is tan beige and blends in together. Right. So that's why we're using it as a blending. It's the camouflage of our landscape. It's a blend. And that's what Group Home does. It just stitches a terrible idea and terrible outcome and terrible life, really, into just...

Well, it's just a modern day orphanage. You see little orphan Annie. It's just a picture on a smaller scale. That's what they do with Group Home. It's like, we can't have a big room where we keep them. We'll break them up into several houses and have it be that way. It'd be easier for them to rape each other that way. In one big room where we keep them. We'll break them up into several houses and have it be that way. It'd be easier for them to rape each other that way. In one big room, everyone sees it.

Every time a phrase gets a bad connotation, they just change it to something a little less offensive, like orphanage. That sounds terrible now because we know what happens there. A little orphan. No one wants to be called an orphan. Foster homes started to get an ugly feeling about it. Then they moved it to group home.

I feel like we're close to getting rid of that, too. Something, yeah. Who knows what the next thing will be. Like I said, though, and we both said, if you're one of those people that do that and do it to genuinely help kids, hats off to you. That's amazing. You're doing great. And sorry you're overwhelmed by the negative people that do it in a negative way. Like Scoutmaster.

Same thing. Scoutmaster. Anything like that. Priest. The word clergy. The word, yeah. And we'll say, you know, I'm fucked out. I grew up fucking Catholic with all that shit, and it's like, you know, I can say whatever I want.

Yeah, you think that. There's a lot of priests that i'm sure they're very nice that are trying to help people took a vow of celibacy and run with it the problem is right if one of them was fucking them they weren't like hey right stop fucking kids hey he's fucking kids over here which at that point you know then it's a problem that guy gets to come i don't even jerk off yeah no fuck so i don't touch i don't touch it at all and that's really it's not just the church because we saw it happen at penn state with sandusky it's any sort of large institution where there's a you know anything like that it's you know where you're

kind of either on the team or not people kind of look the other way and in discretions and they they hope it's not really that so is it because we don't want to think the worst of our of the people we're affiliated with is that what it is because we don't want to think the worst of the people we're affiliated with? Is that what it is? Absolutely. You don't want to think that. Yeah. People don't want to think that, oh, this guy that I respected.

That's the worst thing there is. Yeah. Like the Sandusky people, they were like, oh, they didn't want to think this guy that we've respected for 20 years and all that and this whole image and it can't all be wrong. Right. So yeah, people don't want to do that. That's how cults are. Yeah.

It's a cult. Right yeah it's a cult it's the same thing so it happens in in that in sports and politics and everything there's cults everywhere so awful so he goes to corliss high school there on the far south side i know corliss was like made when two other schools were like over capacity so they made this school as like a spillover school for that yeah it's like an overflow i can only find one other guy who played in the nba uh from the from this high school it's a guy named uh daryl walker who was drafted he played from like 83 to 84 to 94 and i don't really remember him that well, Darryl Walker. I remember the name. Dallas Mavericks? He was a guard.

He played for the Knicks, Nuggets, but he played on the 93 Championship Bulls team. He was on that team, yes. He was on, that's what I mean. He was an 11th guy on that type of team. Sounds familiar, though. He played the Pistons, the Bullets. He was first team all rookie when he was a rookie.

You're saying he played for everybody except Dallas? I think everyone except Dallas, yeah pretty much he played for like five teams and none of them are dallas dallas is your montreal expo as a basketball i think it is you look for a team with blue in the colors and you're like he must have played for them if i don't know who they are i go probably the bucks or the mavericks yeah it's the bucks yeah in football i don't know what team that is for you i haven't figured it out i guess the bucks the buccaneers again yeah probably so he uh the two teams in the nba that i really never gave a fuck about their rosters until uh uh jamal mashburn was there yeah i think i didn't really give a fuck about them and then then Todd Day was at the box.

Timberwolves. Yeah. That's another one. I never gave a shit about the Rossers. No one. They don't care about it. No one there cares about the Timberwolves. No one cares about that.

No one has ever cared about the Timberwolves. They were like, hey, Marbury and Garnett, that could be good for like a year. And they're like, oh, I don't know. We still suck, though. That's fun and all, but we still have 12 wins. Still 12 and 70. Maybe we should figure something else out so this daryl walker was also the at one point the head coach of the

toronto raptors and the washington wizards so yeah good for that guy for quietly having an unbelievable career total coaching record in the nba of 56 and 113 maybe not unbelievable i mean you know so that's why he then started coaching college after that uh currently i think he's at somewhere in arkansas he coached for a while for two years he coached clark atlanta which might sound familiar because that's where new jack went all right yeah i found a connection to new jack somehow so the one that looks like a correctional facility exactly they were like oh that doesn't look great but apparently it's terrific uh from the pictures though didn't do it justice so uh corliss i found a couple of things in the newspaper here uh a win where uh i found nathan had they called him nathan in high school nathan driggers who had 13 points

and corliss's 64 62 win over fenger he sank two free throws with a minute left to give them a lead and the win so that's uh he's clutched there November 1990 yeah I he is on the all tournament squad uh of the some high school tournament in the city some all city tournament squad so I think his team got beat up but he was ended up being you know one of the all-stars of the tournament so he's getting some some you know people are looking at him a little bit but the high school he's in is not a big basketball power like we said one nba player so it's not somewhere that scouts are really you know college scouts and everything are really all over.

They need to know about it. So he doesn't really have a lot of, he's not like pursued by all these schools. It's not like that at all. March 1991, he's trying to pick a college. And so the coach at Corliss, Don Young, he said that Nate was awaiting his ACT scores before deciding which college he will attend. He's going to see the best one that he's smart enough to get into. He's going to figure that out.

He's not sure yet. We'll find out where he went. I don't think he did well on this test. Let's just say that. Based on where he went, I'm going to say he probably didn't ace this ACT, I would say. Which, I mean, also, Christ Almighty, coming up through school, this kid couldn't have had... Fuck, how do you do your homework by rotisserie rat light, number one, and shit like that? I don't know how well he was educated or if he was just kind of, you know...

What do they call it when they graduate people that are social... Push through? I don't know. There's a word for that, a technical term. Social advancement or whatever the fuck it is. That sounds right. I don't know there's a word for that a technical term social advancement or whatever the fuck it is sounds right i don't know what it is but basically they're like well you're old enough to be in the eighth grade so you're in the eighth grade you're dumb enough to be in the fourth grade but you're pretty big so we can't have you driving to sixth grade that's the thing you're on your way again on the wire it's what happened to poor dukey

yeah we're like well you're all aged out of middle school enjoy high school he's like huh it's what happened to poor dukey yeah they're like well you're all aged out of middle school enjoy high school he's like huh next thing you know what a phrase next thing you know you're running a dukey and he says i'm outdoors now so it's a problem what a phrase what a phrase yes it is so so is corliss in chicago corliss yes that's okay far south Chicago. Awaiting his ACT scores to figure out which college he'll attend. Now, the coach, Don Young, says that Nate is a straight-A student, which if he's a good basketball player and a straight-A student, he would have his fucking pick of the lot of colleges, especially places like Notre Dame, places like that,

that you have to have a certain grade to get into there, no matter how good of an athlete you are. Right. Like Duke. Yeah. Duke, it doesn't matter. If you're a great ball player, they still, they force you to. Still make you go to class. Yeah.

And even if you're there for a year, to get in, there's, you know, the prerequisites are still pretty high. Sure. Not prerequisites, but the bar is still pretty high to get in. You can't have a D average and shitty SAT scores and be on the team that looks bad it looks yeah exactly so some colleges are like that but uh he is averaging 25.7 points a game he's unbelievable so yeah if you averaged almost 26 points a game in high school and you're a straight a student you would have every fucking college anywhere you want on earth yeah yeah to do anything you want here and that's what the coach says the coach says

quote his choice is still wide open he's just directing all of his energy to the act so he can talk with the schools right this is i've never heard this in all of crime and sports have we ever heard anybody now so concentrated on act scores must be a problem it must be like something he's worried about yeah you know otherwise why would it be such a big deal would just be like yeah once the act's are done he's gonna pick something right something he's worried about. Yeah. You know, otherwise, why would it be such a big deal? It would just be like, yeah, once the ACTs are done, he's going to pick something. Right. Like, he's just concentrating. He's really got to focus on this test.

So they said schools that have shown interest in him are Illinois, which, hey, that's a good school. Fighting Illini. It's a big school. Division one thing. Illinois, Chicago, which is a smaller school. College of St. Francis, which I'm not sure exactly what that is, and Marquette. Oh, these are all great schools.

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chooses instead this is why i think the maybe the act was a problem for him he goes to montevallo oh i've never heard of it ever heard of montevallo jimmy that's because it's in mexico city it's a it's uh it's in southern City. It's in southern Brazil. It's in the very southern tip of Brazil, deep in the jungle. Deep in the jungle. They only play like four games a year because it takes teams. It's a three-day boat trip. Right.

If you've watched 90 Day Fiance, it's like when Paul went to see Karini. It's a three-day boat trip. And then a trip in a Jeep. That's exactly what it is. They just dropped him off on a shore with all his shit. And he was like, i hope she comes soon he was just like sitting on a wall in some tiny town in the middle of the jungle in brazil he's like i don't know what i'll do if she doesn't show up the jeep will die pick you up and take you to your destination yeah as soon as it gets dark you'll be overtaken by animals

probably i would assume snakes and you're dead of malaria by 8 a.m. Yeah. Oh, this guy. No, he wouldn't be dead of malaria. No. He had, Jimmy. A lot of spare shit to go. When he packed, he laid out all in his yard, all this stuff. He had like tents to put on, like mosquito tents. In case they went swimming, he brought penis sheaths. What the hell is that? He goes, this is a penis sheath. And I'm like, what the fuck?

Is it a condom? It's like a condom he puts and he brought condoms oh i know what it is he says he puts a condom on first right and then puts a penis sheath on and so he's going swimming so nothing can swim up his dick i've heard of that he's so afraid of something swimming up his dick and when his girlfriend's like let's go swimming now he's like hold on i gotta put on my condom and my penis she's like what are you talking about like she's like what are you doing and he's like turning around trying to put a fucking condom on his limp dick you ever tried that it's impossible for what what would the reason be for that what

are you gonna do with that i've tried it for what just to see just to see just for experimentation wonder what this does like playing with buttons in the car i've tried to put a condom on a limp dick oh my own mode there we go just try pressing shit just to see what it does you know in in snow terrain yeah hey oh this is for so far slippery a four-wheel drive right okay fuck look at that oh this is traction control for you james uh snowy snowy conditions with a limp dick doesn't work it doesn't work at all he apparently somehow got how did that guy do that i don't know then he put a penis sheath on over it so i'd like to see what that is pretty not on it's like a it's like a like a picture like a like a

tight mosquito net yeah it's like oh jesus and you just put to wear like over your whole crotch area so nothing can swim in it's like a cock in. It's like a cock hairnet. It's like a cock hairnet. Exactly. It goes around the brain and everything. It's a cock net. Jesus. So nothing can swim up your cock. But that wasn't good enough.

Well, there's a rubber on it, too. You had to double bag it to go in the water. At that point, stay out of the water. Yeah. Find a pool. And then he took a three-day, like I said, the whole three-day boat trip. And then he was like, the girl wanted to fuck him. And he's like, you got to take an STD test first.

And it's like, you spent three days on a boat. What if she has something? You're not going to fuck her anyway? Who cares at this point? I think you're pretty committed to this. You probably got it. You just spent three days on a boat. Just take whatever she's got and fucking deal with it.

You're in for a penny and for a pound with this chick now, right? What a dickhead. You brought a sheath with you. Who cares? I hate this guy. And you have condoms. Right. So I don't know.

Anyway. He used all his condoms going swimming. Yeah. Say he says craney craney uh he's from louisville craney uh you know i use all my condoms going swimming so uh you're gonna have to get an std test then at one point i don't know why we're going off on this but at one point they were they're in brazil like in this park and she got mad at him for something he said. So he like ran into the woods like a child. And then some guy came up with a machete and robbed her and took her purse. I was like, this is amazing. And that's his fault.

Of course it was. He ran away. Yeah, that was the end of that. So anyway, he goes to Montevelo or Montevalevallo here it's a tiny school in alabama oh wow that's what i mean he i don't even know what would make him go there or how they would find him or how he would find them right based on what they were looking for but i apparently it had to be some sort of act issue or sat issue had to be test scores because otherwise 20 almost 27 points a

game why would you choose that yeah and a straight a average you could go anywhere you're not going to montevallo where zero nba players have attended at this point not zero one one not one person who's ever played for this college has played a minute in the nba so not exactly for someone who's looking for a basketball career and he has stated goals of basketball career at this point. Not exactly probably an obvious choice to go to Montevallo. Unless you're going there to be just the best they've ever seen. I mean, yeah, maybe big fish in small pond, but they're small ponds. And then there's fucking puddles.

This is just a moldy hole. No offense to Montevallo, but if you're a basketball player, this is just a moldy hole no offense to montevallo but if you're a basketball player yeah this is like a grimy hole that mosquitoes are breeding in in your backyard this is where you go to quit yeah your dog dug a hole you forgot about it it rained and then four days later there's mosquitoes everywhere that's what's going on here holy shit um so 9192 for montevallo he plays in 29 games as a freshman. He's only 18 years old at this point, so young as shit. He averages 13.4 points a game, though, so for a true freshman, that's pretty good. This league must be pretty weak is what I'm getting at.

6.4 rebounds a game, so he's doing pretty well here. Not bad. He was the team's second-leading scorer and the leading rebounder as a freshman. Wow. So right away, they're probably pretty happy with what they sure what they got here 92 93 with montevallo he plays in 29 games again that must be how many they play i guess uh this time he plays a lot more too his minutes are up uh he averages 19.7 points a game and 7.1 rebounds and one assist a game he He's figuring it out, man. Yeah, he's crushing down in Montevallo here. The team ended up with over 20 wins that year as well,

so they were much better. Apparently, people started coming to the games again. Sure. He was an exciting thing here. He was the only NAIA. Montevallo's in the NAIA by the way they're not they ended up after this being absorbed I believe into division two yeah but

before this they were NAIA so which is like you know second tier NCAA basically he was the first team all-american selected as a sophomore as the only NAIA first team all-american as a sophomore so not bad and

also garnered garnered the southern states conference player of the year award and the male athlete of the year award as well in the conference leading the conference in scoring rebounding and shooting percentage so he's fucking crushing montevallo absolutely um the naia first team here i just found some of these pretty kind of fucking funny uh because of the schools they go to that i've never heard of they're pretty awesome uh driggers here like we said montevallo uh kevin franklin from oklahoma city that powerhouse college so you not not the thunder no just oklahoma city the college uh wade wade goins who actually played uh urbana he was there uh antonio harvey of fifer it's a powerhouse fifer roger huggins of hawaii pacific wow wow he just went there to hang out on the beach he's from

london okay so he just was like i can go to hawaii right where it's not cloudy your beaches have sun wow i'm in fuck yeah this is great jesus christ uh jason pepper of central washington uh john pierce of lipscomb we've actually heard of that one uh these are the best players yeah saint anna i don't know that one is that a person no that's a yeah saint anna she was a vicious dunker. Amazing. From the foul line. Right.

Finally, Mark Tandy of Georgetown, Kentucky. Yeah. Yeah, not Georgetown. Not the. No. Those are fun for me, those fucking shitty little colleges. So, 93-94. He's having a great year still.

He's killing it. And then in December of 93, middle of the year, he breaks his leg in a game. Wow. Breaks his leg, and the season's pretty much over from then, obviously. I mean, in the time that I've watched the NBA, I've maybe seen four broken legs. Yeah, yeah. I don't think it was like a snap thing. It was one of those fractures, and he ended up with a...

But either way, breaks his leg in a game, and he's out the year because you know broken leg is that dude from the celtics is the last one i remember i forget his name the redhead kid oh that was gross yeah yeah fuck i don't he has a he has a nerdy ass name but it's a fucking gordon yeah gordon hayward yeah gordon hayward yes terrible looking the worst yeah i've never seen a broken leg like basketball broken legs are bad because they're always like coming down right doing something awkward yeah you're like and there's this giant man coming down on a leg and it the leg can't handle it and it just lets go and it's a long leg so when it snaps it's like ah it's like a gunshot when you see that have you ever seen sid vicious the wrestler sid uh have you ever seen him break his leg no footage

of it? It's the most horrific thing you'll ever see in your fucking life. He's like six foot eight. Okay? He's a big giant guy and he goes up on the top. Oh, no. Jumps off to do like a kick in the face. Yeah.

Like not a drop kick. Right. Like, you know, Hulk Hogan does the boot to the face standing there. So he's coming down and like landing on one leg and kicking you in the face with the other the leg he lands on just snaps in half and it's fucking horrible it's absolutely horrible why is a broken leg absolutely the worst thing to see live because it's broken arms one thing you know what i mean the leg you just shouldn't have that right shouldn't look like that doesn't look right the hardest bone in your body those should never break the guy that slid into first and kicked himself in the back of the head you know that's why yeah you've seen some crazy shit when joe theismann's

bone sticking out that one was crazy because that one wasn't like uh contact on the leg or landing on the leg it was just sheer tension he planted his foot and taylor ripped in the other direction and rather than going with him he tried to keep his foot planted and L.T.'s coked up fucking strength just ripped him so hard that it snapped his fucking femur. Imagine that. That's crazy. Or his tibia, whatever the fuck it was. Tibia or fibula. One of them.

Yeah. Fucking snapped it. Broke it in half. Imagine the torque you have to use to snap a fucking leg in half like that. I can't even fathom. It's wild. And all of them stick in your head. Because I've never seen it ever again.

Right, right. Have you? No. i've never seen that before be turned sideways and his leg not go and fucking torn to a broken leg i've never seen it happen like that that bad anyway where it snaps and sticks out of the fucking uniform the other dude from the niners uh that had it happen on the same day very similar or tim crumry of the bangles in the niners bengal super bowl i forget the kid's name but he just started again yeah yeah it doesn't matter super bowl with the bangles and niners there in 89 88 when he uh tim crumry the nose tackle for the uh bangles it was the first

quarter yeah and you just saw his leg it snapped you know on the shin yeah and it flopped back and forth his foot like kicked both sides of his leg you can if you see him why is that something like i've seen hands and arms breaking i've seen that happen the leg when it has it sticks with you that never goes away because i don't want that to happen nobody you don't want to see it you don't want to see it happen the the ultimate fighter guy uh silva when he kicked that dude's thigh or his shin and his foot wrapped around it like a spaghetti noodle. You never forget those things. Why is the leg the one that does it?

It's the worst, man. It's the worst. Well, this one, he broke his leg and he still averages. Well, the games he played, 17 games, 15.9 a game, 6.3 rebounds. So he had a good year, but he broke his fucking leg. That's not good. No. a game 6.3 rebounds so he had a good year but he broke his fucking leg that's not good no lucky for him he has a senior year to come back from that and he has a monster monster senior year all 29 games he played in and crushes it i mean this is ridiculous it's a 548 field goal percentage wow

from someone who's not a center yeah it's pretty fucking good it's not bad for college shooting damn near 60 in college they don't do that that's just not oh god big men do it because they shoot from two feet away from the rim but not guard not six foot five guys you gotta dominate that's kind of why college basketball is so much fun to watch because it's not when the ball goes up you're like is it gonna go in the nba it's crazy how much they go especially if someone has a wide open shot in the nba you can take a sip of your drink or something because it's going in.

Those guys are draining it. Whereas there, you're like, eh, still going to rattle. Sometimes it doesn't even touch rim and you're like, what? How did you do that? Yeah, god damn it. You were wide open. Fuck. Did I beat you at the park last week?

You suck. It is fascinating how bad of shooters they are. Some of them, yeah, they are. Some of them, yeah, they are. So this year, 94-95, senior year, 28.4 points a game, which is crushing, 10.8 rebounds a game. What the fuck? Averaging like a serious double-double, not like 12-10, almost 30-10.

One of the best college players that year. That's wild, and 2.1 assists per game as well, so he learned how to pass a little bit too, just to show that. There's a game in February 25th, 95, one of the last games of the year for montevallo and it's against arkansas yeah who was a powerhouse yeah they were the number six seed in the tournament i think that year williamson was there exactly this was the i think his last year was he was a top five pick i think unbelievable amazing not great yeah that's that happens quite a yeah quite frequently but boy was he good oh he was great in college NBA. Yeah, that happens quite frequently. But boy, was he good.

Oh, he was great in college. This was when Arkansas was a national powerhouse. I mean, they were. They won the national championship at some point that year. They had a whole roster of unbelievable players. They had a whole squad, and it's totally slipping my mind now. I feel like he was good, too. Not Van Exel good, but good in college.

Yeah, shit. I forget. It doesn't matter. Now that's Missouri. I was going to say Anthony Peeler, but that was Missouri, and he was earlier their whole lineup was great yeah they had a good they had a goddamn good lineup and uh so this was like kind of the last game but one of their last games before the tournament arkansas they were going into the real tournament ncaa tournament so there's kind of a tune-up against montevallo and arkansas goes on a 30 to 13 lead at first just to open it up.

But Driggers comes back actually and drops three-pointers on him. He ends up with six three-pointers that day in the first half. Wow. Yeah, he had 24 points and six three-pointers in the first half. Suck it, Corliss. Drop and shit. That's what he was trying to do. I mean, that's all fucking basically all three-pointers.

18 points and three-pointers and then six is otherwise razorbacks then at the end of the first half they go on a 28 to 1 run start crushing them uh they ended up with a by the end of the first half a 62 33 lead so not good in the second half montevallo gets no closer than 26 points ouch rough but But Nate doesn't matter. Nate crushes it. Nate shows what he's about. He finishes with 37 points, setting a record for the arena that they were playing in. Is that right?

Yeah, the Bud Walton Arena there. So that's pretty goddamn impressive because that's against competition. That's against a national powerhouse team. And he knew he had to show this is like one of his last college games. And he had to show I can do it on a big stage against a big team, not just some, you know, an AIA bullshit. So he does. He finishes the game 11 for 29, but seven for 11 from three point range. So dropping some shit.

Yeah, he's pretty goddamn good. The coach here of Montevallo says the difference was in the second half when they basically outworked us they out talented you let's be they had a whole team of driggers and you got one yeah they don't you don't problem you don't have to outwork them they could really seriously be lazy and still beat you by 30 points because they have talent period they have a bunch of taller guys that have talent that's just one of those things yeah but the uh coach doesn't see it that way he says that was the story and that we didn't convert when we had to yeah you made less shots than them that's how the games work jesus christ but it was the strategy though listen to the strat it's amazing that he had 37 points quote anytime nate gets the ball

he's going to have three guys around him and some other people just have to start hitting so nate gets the ball he gets triple team because he's the only guy on the team that's any threat and he's still putting 30 on the board 37 on the board unbelievable and getting triple covered that's probably why he was dropping threes because that way because he's far away from the ball from the basket it didn't give them a chance to triple team him right he got the ball out there shot it up and that makes sense but he figured out a way around their defense which again that's what a good player does so uh not too bad here uh but no one else does shit on the team and that's what happens so 95 he's on the naia first team and that includes a bunch of guys you've never heard of at all yeah uh pernell purry nope never heard of him uh fucking kerry west pernell purry sounds like the name of the

panthers mascot i'm sorry pernell perry oh same thing nope it's pernell purry his name is pernell i'm so happy i fucking messed that name up right now you have no idea best mistake we've made in a while pernell purry hi i'm pernell purry i'm the mascot if the panthers don't change sir purr's name to pernell purry they're a bunch of pussies i have claws you know i have claws you you know. Rory, Rory. Pernell Purry right here. He talks like Sebastian from Charlotte's Left, I figure.

I'm Pernell Purry. Unbelievable. He plays for him. He made the mascot for the Panthers. The most homosexual mascot ever. I guess. Well, I think Sebastian was played by Fred Lynn, wasn't it? It was. I don't know.

He was the circle. Yeah. It was a very like flamboyant type of guy. So that's fine. Doesn't bother me. Who cares? Purr. Purr.

He's gay. What do you want? You're going to call him Sir Purr. Judge him. Yeah. Drag queens wear a lot of crowns fucking judge him he's fine worry about his lifestyle it's nothing to do with you none of your goddamn business what he does himself yeah you hit it up and do whatever you want for no hurry suck as many

little cat dicks as you feel the need to i don't care it doesn't bother me at all so this he's on the first team with such luminaries as david beavis of arkansas tech beavis oh beavis that poor bastard david he hates mike judge b-e-v-i-s david beavis in 1995 too poor fuck fuck hey beavis come over here god damn it everybody laughs everybody thinks they're making fun of him calling him beavis that's my fucking name you're not even doing anything clever stop it's not all you did was read nobody's nice to me everybody's mean everybody pulls their hat their shirt over their head fucking tells me about great that's wonderful you need t TP for your bunghole. Thanks. Terrific. Great. I didn't pick this name.

Life was great until 1992. Right. Fuck you, Mike Judge. And then it was all downhill from there. Jesus. He's wishing anal warts and all kinds of horrible shit on Mike Judge. Fucking aggressive anal warts like Sly Williams. I won't even watch off his face.

Fuck that guy. No. Idiocracy. None of it. So this particular deal here, other cities here, Birmingham Southern. This is another college. Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Baptist. Yeah.

Life. That's the name. What? Jerry Jones of Life. Okay. Life in Georgia. I don't know. Oh, boy.

Purnell Purry of Voorhees. Jesus. Kenny Watson of Incarnate Word. I don't know. Oh, boy. Purnell Purry of Voorhees. Jesus. Kenny Watson of Incarnate Word. What? Good Lord. Kenny Watson of House of Nonconsensual Sex is what that sounds like. Jesus Christ. I like unconsensual better.

Unconsensual sounds much better. Sounds about the education level of somebody that would do that. Probably. I'm going Incarnate Word. The girls don't give it up but you could take it like that's that's their fucking unconsensually uncontentionally if you know what i'm talking about college kids coming there i'm coming for the uncontentional sex it's gonna be wonderful jesus christ then kerry west of belmont which is actually they make the tournament sometimes kerry west played didn't i he might have played for belmont belmont's a decent school so that sounds like a name i recognize yeah and then probably not jay now now and then another guy

from georgetown kentucky right march 21st 95 he is named the naia player of the year. All right. He finished his career at Montevallo, ranked first all time in career points with 2054, scoring average with 19.8, field goals, free throws. He's the leading guy that's ever played there. He had 825 points and 28.4 points per game, which was the highest ever in the school history as well. Wow. So he is the king of Montevallo basketball. He averages 20 points a game. which was the highest ever in the school history as well so he is the

king of montevallo basketball he averages 20 points a game for his whole college unbelievable that's amazing and fucking almost 30 for his senior year right wild 1995 nba draft comes here we go small school but i mean people get drafted from small schools it happens all the time as we see here uh let's see is this jamal mashburn this is joe smith okay who as did not turn out well that was a bad pick by the warriors there not not a good one no joe smith it looked good for a while oh yeah he was great in college he's one of those guys there's a this is one of the biggest bus drafts there's a few guys in here draft not though there's a couple guys that worked out

really well those we'll talk about but then there's a few that were really hyped and really didn't work out so well antonio mcdye's number two who he was fucking great in his day a long time he really was i mean when he played for the suns and the nuggets that did he play too long you think yeah he drug it out a little bit but because he was making big money but he uh man could he fucking sore back in the day. A dunk machine. Those oops to him. Holy shit, they were pretty to watch.

He couldn't stop them either. Oh, he was unstoppable. So strong. And fast. He'd cut down that court. That's another big guy that was fucking huge. He could move, man. He could move.

Jerry Stackhouse, number three overall. He turned out pretty goddamn good. He was around for a long time. Rasheed Wallace, number four. Again, Rasheed was around forever. He was great. Kevin Garnett, number five, was an all-time time. Rasheed Wallace, number four. Again, Rasheed was around forever. He was great. Kevin Garnett, number five, was an all-time great, Hall of Famer. Number six, they made a huge deal out of it.

This tells you, don't draft white centers with crew cuts. That's a bad sign. It's never going to do well. Bryant Reeves, remember him? Big country. Old big country. To the Grizzlies? To the grizzlies the grizzlies bet your ass vancouver yeah played at oklahoma state right just was the most mediocre eric montross

greg oster tag just blends in with them yeah damon stoudemire number seven from u of a of course uh sean respite wow that's a fucking bust at number eight. Who the fuck? Number eight. That is Toronto. I'm sorry, that's Portland. Not good. I think he got traded. And then number nine, another guy who was so highly touted and was going to be so great

and was so great in college, Ed O'Bannon, who turned out to be hot garbage. The worst. But because of him, you can't buy an NCAA uh sports game anymore really yeah they don't have them anymore you ever notice that they don't have those anymore it was because of him it's because of him because yeah because they were making the player likenesses without naming them the guy would be you know he found he was he was with his nephew or something who was playing a game and said hey let's play as they had classic teams let's play as the old Bruins right and they had all the names.

Not the names, but they had the number and the likeness. That was him. It's him. Look like him. Same number. Headband. It's like, that's fucking me. I didn't get paid for this.

What the fuck? And now he's not in college. They're not allowed to get paid for it at the time. But afterwards, he's like, I've been out of college for 15 fucking years. Send me a paycheck. Absolutely. And so he sued. And that's how that went on and he won and he won yeah he ended up winning it because you can't you can't just reproduce people put them on a game and not pay them i think he got

paid more money for that than he did for his nba career i wouldn't doubt it and that's why he didn't fucking go play anymore that nobody wanted oh he was done yeah he was done once this this was like years after he retired right yeah he's a huge bust so they don't make them anymore and that's why i think yeah i. All right. Yeah, he's a huge bust. So they don't make them anymore, and that's why. I think, yeah. I don't think. Or if they do make them, they don't make the likenesses. So you can't, you know. And at that point, what the fuck?

Who cares? Yeah, if you're playing with a college, say you're playing college football, you want the quarterback and the running back or whoever the fuck it is. And if it's not that player, what am I doing? What am I doing here? Playing with a uniform? What's the difference? Right.

So other guys quickly in this draft. Kurt Thomas ended up playing for the knicks for a long time there uh gary trent cherokee parks remember him yeah the was he duke i think he's big and white he's probably from duke center he's an oster tag he's an oster tag cherokee parks uh corliss williamson went 13 that year to the king to the kings exactly eric williams i barely remember was that the kings also the celtics he went to brent barry yeah clippers goes to the nuggets originally traded to the clippers after that alan henderson who i remember from indiana uh he was a small forward or power forward bob surah oh fuck i barely do know that one magic barely remember bob sir you got drafted by the calves but maybe theo ratliff randolph childress jason cathy

michael finley who was underrated he was a great player no one remembers michael i mean you want to bring him up but no one ever like would say you know it was good michael finley but he was a fucking badass man he was you go the mavericks first really good sons yeah sons yeah from uh on a trade with the Lakers there. And then from there, it kind of drops off into your Lauren Myers and your David Vaughns and your Cheryl Fords and your Mario Bennett's from ASU. Remember him? And your Greg Oster tag, 28 overall.

So the draft thins out remarkably after the top 15. Real hard, that shit thins out. And in the second round, you got guys like Andrew DeClercq and Jimmy King and guys like that. King wasn't that bad. Eric Snow played for fucking Philly for a long time. Played for the Magic also. Probably. He played for the Bucks at first.

I remember him on Philly with the same backcourt as Iverson. Got it. Snow and Iverson back there a little bit. Fred Hoiberg. Uh-uh. Remember him with the Pacers? Nothing. Little white guy. I gotverson back there a little bit fred hoiberg remember him with the pace little white guy i got nothing point guard hoiberg hoiberg fred hoiberg i remember him with uh those teams but yeah that's there you notice the guy i didn't name yeah nate driggers not drafted at all ouch and i mean there's other there's chris cars from southern illinois yeah but how do you take hoiberiberg over a guy that just dominated the NAIA?

Yeah, I didn't mention a bunch of other guys that never, a couple of guys that never came over from Europe, guys like that that were drafted. They don't draft him. Took a chance on that. But not old Driggers here. Wow. But one league does take a chance on him, and that is the CBA, the Continental Basketball Association. No, which we've discussed many times here, the cba where people go to die right where basketball players go to not get arrested for a while and try to get back in the league yeah you have to go there

doesn't really matter what you do on the floor because you're playing against nobody so mainly just can they go down there not get in trouble or not fail any drug tests for a while? And then maybe they'll let you back in the league. He goes, the CBA, they have a CBA draft, Jimmy. Do you know that? Stop that. They draft guys. It's mainly second round draft picks of the NBA that they don't think are going to make the team. So you have to sit around and go, I don't think that guy's going to make that team.

We'll draft him. And that way you can steal him. Number one overall is Fred Hoiberg, who played for the, went to the Pacers. And I just shit all over that poor guy. They didn't think he'd make the Pacers, and he did. Yeah, they're like, Fred Hoiberg? Fred Hoiberg? We're drafting him.

What's he look like? No, he's not. We're drafting him. He's not making that team. No way. But he does. Wow. He's drafted to Omahaaha and number two overall

is also omaha i don't know how they got the first two picks but they did and they draft nate driggers of montevallo number two overall number two overall so he's got to be feeling a little i mean he's the cba but still he's wanted in the cba if you're that guy you got to feel like you are just two picks from making it to the nba Yeah. I guess just one because the guy before you did make the NBA. Yeah, easily. And a couple other guys. Gerard King is on this team, is drafted. Reggie Jackson, not, of course.

Not the. Not the. Troy Brown, not the quarterback of Ohio State, Troy Brown. Whoa. Quanzo Martin? What? C-U-O-N-Z-O. Nope.

Wow. Donnie Marshall of Connecticut that he ended up playing. Was that Donnie L. Marshall? No. Couldn't be the same guy. Donnie Marshall, different one. Yeah, he was a high draft pick. Chris Carr, Don Reed, guys like that.

And then Mario Bennett, again, ASU, round seven. A lot of the guys who they think might make the team, they draft in lower rounds just in case there. So he goes to Omaha. He's the number two overall draft pick. He's got to feel like the fucking cock of the walk here, walking in. Omaha, no.

Wow. Now I'm a big deal. Now I'm a big deal. Omaha, me and fucking going to go eat at Warren Buffett's house. Oh, baby. It's happening. Yeah. So he doesn't make the team in in omaha they cut him in the

preseason ouch preseason like not even in last cuts like middle of the preseason they just shit can him so something tells me that something happened because yeah you don't yeah you don't cut your number two draft pick you just don. Something had to happen that they didn't. Talent-wise, he's got that. So it makes no sense why they thought he couldn't play. They wouldn't be like, he can't play in this league. And really, that's your first draft pick because your other guy didn't even show up. And in an article, too, they said they didn't expect Hoiberg to be there, basically. They said, we drafted him just in case, but we kind of knew he was probably going to make the Pacers.

We were more worried about getting this guy. And they cut him in the fucking preseason that's wild so it's crazy and that's their only so basically because hoiberg left that's their only first round draft pick and they cut his ass in the preseason that's imagine a league where the number two draft pick gets cut in training camp think about that that doesn't happen he'd have to kill somebody and even then it would be like well we're gonna wait till the evidence is in he'd have to kill somebody. And even then it would be like, well, we're going to wait till the evidence is in. He'd have to like rape a baby while screaming the N-word in its face. You know? And even then they got it.

Is there video? We don't know. On TV. Okay. Live. Not even a video. Because they go, it might be doctored. It'd have to be like a live broadcast with Joe Buck going, I don't know.

He's sexually attacking what looks like a baby. This is disgusting. And the mocks are picking it up he is screaming the n-word in its face for some it's a it's a it's too young to even hard r hard r and the baby's too young to even know what he's saying so this must be for some personal gain that i'm not sure of what he's getting out of this. I can't tell what's harder, the pelvic thrusts or the R on the word he's shouting in its face. Well, folks, we've figured one thing out today. Nate Driggers can't come unless he screams the N-word at the top of his lungs in his... Into an infant's face. Into his conquered soul's face.

This message brought to you by joe buck i've been joe buck y'all have a good night i don't know why i made him extra southern he's not that southern but it's it feels good it feels like he's gonna develop into that someday right it feels like when the camera's shut off that's his voice yeah yeah turns around well everybody Turns around, well, everybody, I don't know. How about that? So it's fucking ridiculous. They had to have done something. You know what I mean? It's incredible that they would do that.

But not as incredible as the sales, Jimmy. In Omaha? The sales. This is actually from September. And if you happen to find yourself in September of 1995 while he's being cut by Omaha and you happen to be walking around Moline, Illinois where the dispatch paper is put out

you can take yourself on down to the QC Classic Fans Buffet. Quad Cities that is by the way. It's a 28 foot buffet. I've never heard a buffet measured in feet before. Ew.

Have you heard it measured? It's the worst measurement of buffet ever. You measure it in items and what we have, like prime rib. This is not 28-foot. I don't care how long your fucking table is. What food is on it? All you can eat. Don't worry, James.

With 28 feet, there's something for you. There's something. Honey, honey, we're going on down to the QC Buffet with 28 feet of buffet. There must be something for us to have that we like. They must have everything. I went down to that 19-foot one. Ain't shit on it. I mean, for lunch, fine.

Add another nine feet to this. For lunch, 19's fine. But for dinner, you want almost 30. You want like three basketball hoops hot worth basically otherwise it's kind of garbage right 28 feet 28 foot all you can eat seafood grand evening buffet in a landlocked oh very much quad cities friday and saturday only on that but there's a don't not to fret jim. If it's a Tuesday and you want it, just get down there for lunch for the super daily lunch buffet from 11 to 230 for 99 only 999 for the dinner from five to nine. They have snow crab legs there.

Those are probably the ones that you try to break them. They just bend rubbery, rubbery garlic shrimp. The shell doesn't break no it doesn't you have to kind of twist it pick the meat out with the fucking fork yeah we've all had shitty buffet crab we know what it's like uh garlic shrimp shrimp cocktails fried fish of some sort and and a salad bar and then it says apropos of nothing uh includes 18 different chinese dishes is this a chinese buffet now what the fuck are you talking about you went from a seat what the fuck is happening no no it's not half chinese this is our chinese

end of the buffet no 28 foot not 28 feet i'll tell you baseball fans tell you something yeah we're down here at the 28 foot buffet and it's 18 feet of chinese not expected right kind of happy though uh this is at the uh the uh a restaurant here i don't know where the fuck it is it's on south park east of south park on 27th street who cares on your birthday dinner is free oh with a party of two or more can't go in by yourself and eat dinner and kids under three eat free because they won't eat any of the shit we're putting out anyway show up with your id talking about it's your birthday cheap fuck no no no bring your family bring your family someone's gonna have to buy your food we're just giving you free food bullshit or let's say that's not up to your your speed you got the kids

with you they don't like 28 feet of buffet nor speed you got the kids with you they don't like 28 feet of buffet nor do they like uh flexible snow crab they don't like flexible snow crab they're not into the whole thing you can take them for a boring day of golf bonding oh i'm gonna call it whatever it is where you can visit the coca-cola classic golf clinic and your family could win a behind the scenes look at the PGA Tour. Could. Ooh, could. Not will.

Could. It's very, very small. Very vague on the specifics. Free for kids immediately after tournament play. And you can go down to the Oakwood Country Club in Coal Valley, Illinois. Jesus. That sounds lovely. Or, you know what?

Forget those little bastards. Fuck them. Make them get like an 80s early 90s job take them down make them join the carriers of the moline dispatch or whatever the fuck this is they claim quote it's a blast what to deliver to deliver pay as a smiling like 12 year old with a bicycle helmet under one arm and a big newspaper sack on the other looking for an easy part-time job that can really pay off want to go door to door begging people to begging adults to pay their fucking bill right while they give you a run around and you can't fucking go back on because you're 12 and

you don't have the abilities to do that yet i went around i had a new kid who did papers news like 10 i went around with him to collect yeah it's It's a fucking nightmare. None of the people had any money. It was the worst thing ever. Yeah. Nobody paid him. So make money and be your own boss. Oh, OK. No business where you have to be up making papers at 430 in the morning or your own boss.

Right. That's someone is making you do that. I went with a friend selling newspaper subscriptions. And what he would do is go to apartment complexes and lie his ass off to the people because their go-to is i get my newspaper down front at the machine and he goes we're taking those out and they go oh i better get it i better get a subscription and they fucking sign up hey we're getting rid of your easy shit you're gonna have to go out of your way or we'll just drop it on your doorstep either one in an apartment complex hand over fists james just cashing in, selling garbage.

So many doors to hit. So they say they're looking. We're looking for students age 12 and above. Not too little here. And adults. Now, if you're an adult answering this ad with pictures of nothing but seventh graders holding mail sacks, I mean, it's one thing to say, I don't mind delivering the papers, but if this is the ad

you should not respond to this if you're an adult you got your if the people signing you up for the job and they tell you tell them i saw your ad in the paper be like the position's been filled it's been filled yeah i'm sorry by a 12 year old sick fuck i saw this ad and they point to it they point to this little girl standing here with her fucking mail sack on and her purse on the other end and it says it's a blast yeah it's a blast so you'll have your potential is unlimited unlimited earning potential here jimmy's fucking or victim potential yeah to be abducted plus you'll learn valuable business skills like how to try to collect from deadbeats that's what you want to know when you're 11 12 hundreds of young men and women enjoy delivering newspapers in the morning. They also participate in after-school activities like sports, music, dramatics, and cheerleading.

What the fuck does that have to do with this? Be a carrier and enjoy profits, good times, and good friends. So there you go. Make a smart move today. Fill out this form and send it to us. Or at least until the internet picks up. Yeah, that way yeah if they have a job they're distracted and you can go to boom centerfold tuxedos show club hell yeah for

the centerfold spectacular live all this week september 18th to september 23rd if you're in 1995 we're feature dancers shyla fox with three x. There's the name right there. You can see her. What year is this? 95. All right. I assume she's a porn actress or something. I'm pretty sure she is. Shiloh Fox with three X's.

Of course. Any girl named Fox in the movies has several X's. She apparently Showtime 6 p.m., 9 p.m., 10.30, 12.30, as appeared in Hustler. Yeah. Nirvana smells like teen spirit video. What? She's apparently in that okay um uh the jerry springer show i'm dating a porn star oprah yeah and playboy book of lingerie okay there

you go and so head on down to there and they only said those because you can't print the titles of the movies yeah they're like we can't put that in the paper shit dirty sluts nine no no that ain't working you've heard us read off all the lists of foreign names um so jesus taylor swift is soaring high her every move captured in the news cycle and devoured by her devoted fans she's broken billboard records and made grammys history not to mention becoming a billionaire in the process but along the way taylor has had to wage war, first by taking on a very powerful, very famous manager, Scooter Braun, and then by going up against the biggest live events company, Ticketmaster.

Hi, I'm David Brown, the host of Wondery's show, Business Wars. We go deep into some of the biggest corporate rivalries of all time. And in our latest season, Taylor Swift will shake up not only the music business, but Hollywood and the NFL. Follow Business Wars wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. October 2, 1995, he is signed as a free agent with the Denver Nuggets of all teams. It's a 10-day contract or whatever.

I don't think it's a 10-day, but it's a 30-day maybe. Basically a tryout contract here. So October 16th, though, he is waived by the Denver Nuggets. So that doesn't last very long. And yeah, that's the last he play for the nuggets there he got six days with him that's about it didn't get in any games or anything he was just kind of i think probably practice squatting scrimmaging now february 24th 1996 he signs with oh boy the quad city thunder yeah yeah see he can go down to that buffet and fucking rip it up. Hell yeah. Quad City Buffet and get down to Centerfold Showcase for Shiloh Fox.

He's seen her. Who is probably, what, 50 now? That's the funny part. Yeah, in the 90s. She's in her 50s. At least. Yeah, because she was in stuff in 1990s, early 20s. She's probably 50 now.

Wow. So in her 50s. Life comes at you fast. Comes at you fast, everybody. now wow so in her 50s life comes at you fast comes at you fast everybody so uh the thunder uh by the way the quad city thunder if i was like what the fuck is this basically right uh they play in they first started in moline illinois okay and in the wharton field house formerly the home of the of an nba team oh an nba team played here it was in 1953 1953. Right. But still, the Tri-Cities Blackhawks. That was so long ago that they only had Tri-Cities then.

Wasn't even the Quad Cities yet. It was only the Tri-Cities. Sometime after 53, they had to add a Fort City. Another city sprung up. Fuck, man. And they moved to Milwaukee in 1953 and have been there ever since. So that's where they came from. Most of the NBA teams started out as small city teams.

Yeah. Cause that's who liked basketball. Small towns like basketball, more small cities. Where did Naismith invent, invent it? Um, Massachusetts is the,

that's where they have the hall of fame and all that shit. Yeah. All that shit. So, um, yeah, the thunder were pretty good at first. People started coming to the games and then this is when he was playing for them. bucket right yeah all that shit so um yeah the thunder were pretty good at first people started

coming to the games and then this is when he was playing for them and then they stopped coming to the games after a while and eventually uh also they shared the stadium with the quad city mallards of the hockey league there so it's very hard very very difficult um the thunder's mascot was thor the norse god of thunder of course that's nice and haun george gervin iceman played for them in 89 no shit yeah see the guys would come at the end of their career to die or to try to live one of the two uh but the thunder folded in 2000 2001 when the cba folded so they sign him um he's gonna play right away like they're like he'll be playing tonight so you know obviously they they're very

excited about it the thunderhead coach dan panagio says that nate brings hustle to the ball club and he's a very hard worker they're excited to have him 95 96 quad city they go 37 and 19 which isn't too bad here um but nate doesn't that much, as we'll talk about, because he goes somewhere else. But he's on the team. A couple other guys, Tate George, didn't he play in the NBA for a while? He was on the team, too. I think so. He played for UConn, so I'm assuming so.

I'm trying to think if there's anybody else on here I'm looking for. Paris McCurdy? Never. I've never heard of that before. Holy shit. Where's Purcell Purvis or whatever the fuck his name was? Sir Purry, what was it? Hi. Purcell Purvis. I'm Purcell purvis or whatever the fuck his name was sir purry uh what was that hi purcell purvis i'm purcell purvis nice to meet you nice to meet you i'm purry

purcell purry give me your scrapsisserie rat teach me the rotisserie but not with a rat so uh january of 1996 he signs with the dakota wizards oh boy yeah and iba north south it doesn't they combine i think it's say it's dakota they don't want to you don't want to you don't want to disenfranchise the dakota is the thing if you call it south all the north ones hate you you need every one of those people you can get on your side i think there's only like what 150 people in both states they probably don't even play there they play in missoula yeah there's nobody there the the iba is a new league uh-huh brand new uh-huh out, 10 teams in the United States.

Nine in the United States, one in Canada. Ten total. That's why they call it the international. Because they got one team in Canada. There he is. Look at them up there in Toronto looking all fucking great. The attendance jumped. It jumped 53% in 96-97.

And then 68% in 97-98. And then, obviously, it's not around now. Alex English, the ex-Chicago Bull, was the commissioner of the league, so yeah, he was a good player, too. Arthur Agee, who was, remember Hoop Dreams? Yeah. Speaking of Stevie, the Steve James directed his first one, Hoop Dreams. Arthur Agee, who was the, he was the kid whose family was a little looser kind of

and wasn't as together. The one kid ended up going to the Catholic school and everything, and Arthur played for the public school. He was that kid. He played for them here. For the Catholic school? For the Winnipeg Cyclone. Got it.

He ended up playing for them here. Daryl Dawkins also is one of the coaches there. That's great. Little Chocolate Thunder himself. So, yeah, it's an interesting deal. So, Driggers ends up leading the Wizards here, the Dakota Wizards, at one game that I found. 37 points he had. He hit six three-pointers.

So, doing very well, which sounds just like his game in college. It's like the exact game against Arkansas. Thing is, this is where he starts getting in a lot of fights on the court. Really? A lot. It's his role. He's furious. arkansas thing is this is where he starts getting in a lot of fights on the court really a lot it's his role he's furious he's will throw hands in a fucking heartbeat yeah for very little provocation well he's very mad that he didn't make the nba he's very mad and also they're telling him and

physically he's just dominant he can feel like he can push people around here a little bit more this is where he earns the nickname grave for his aggression aggressiveness the coach calls him that one of the i don't know if it's his coach or an opposing coach somebody calls him that and the press kind of picks it up a little bit and think it's funny because he gets this nickname but he in 19 games for the wizards he averages 23.6 points and 7.7 rebounds so some shit's working yeah now the funny part is he is not fond of any Dakota here. He fucking hates it up there. I'm sure.

He's a South Side of Chicago guy. He is not going to enjoy that probably. This is not the city. No, I couldn't live out there, never mind this kid. So, yeah, he does well. He almost wins the IBA scoring race. He's second with a guy who had 24 points a game, so just missed it. scoring race he's second uh with a guy who had 24 points a game so just missed it okay so uh anyway he he joins them and uh jesus christ he takes a lot of shots to 300 shots in 19 games but he 51.8

of his shots he's making so not too bad now uh he does not like bismarck apparently apparently bismarck north dakota is where they're, whatever, center here. I think that's the only town there, right? I'm pretty sure. Well, Fargo's in North Dakota, too. Is it? Yeah, isn't it? Is it in South?

Oh, it is North, yeah. But, yeah, Bismarck. Is Sturgis in South? South, yeah, that's South. That's in the hills there. The South is nicer. South has some scenic shit. North Dakota is a tundra.

Because it's a little more thawed, right? It's a tundra, North Dakota, yeah. South is freezing too but it's also has like deadwood is south dakota a few less uh stuff there yeah it's not bicycles exactly so uh yeah he does not like it he hates he hates bismarck he says that uh he told a boston globe writer a guy named peter may that bismarck was a hick town, and he fucking hated it. He said even compared to Omaha, it was a hick town. This is what this guy wrote about what Driggers said. Quote, Omaha looked like hoop heaven compared to his next stop,

Bismarck, North Dakota, in the middle of winter. He lived in a hotel with no heat. He worked out at a YMca two blocks from the hotel he was paid 350 a week to play on a team that never practiced and spent his game time posting up uh he said posting up potato farmers and tractor drivers oh my so he said it was bull shit the whole thing is a load of shit and he hates it for 1500 a month yeah that's what the shit to live there and have it suck and yeah rough that sounds like shit in bismarck that's not even 20 grand a year is it no oh my no that's just it's terrible yeah so that's not gonna work really

probably well he's also got other this makes sense then, why maybe he couldn't afford some things, we'll say, because July 1st, 1996, he gets pulled over and arrested here. He is arrested in Kane County, Illinois, for multiple things here. Nothing criminal, really, but he's arrested because he has all of these things at once. Registration expiration,

driving on a suspended license, and operating an uninsured vehicle okay so an uninsured unregistered unlicensed right nothing is legal here because he doesn't make any goddamn he has no money so i can understand that yeah but yeah you still can't drive around with nothing if you can't afford it you don't do it something register the car insure it get a license one of the three you, I figure if he has one of the three, he's probably not going to jail that night at least. You know what I mean?

Give him a couple of tickets, maybe tow his car, but he's going to be left on the side of the road and he can get a ride from somebody. But all three, they're like, all right, we're putting cuffs on you. You're a fucking menace. $350 a week. You're an idiot. That's barely enough money for your extended stay that has no heat.

Right. Yeah. Because a lot of the guys there have day jobs they're not like basketball players like he said i'm posting up people who are working all day and then coming here to play games it's that's amazing in the 90s think about that's not like in the 50s and the 60s or something so september 10th 1996 though he's because obviously he'd want him he's got no insurance and this is from heaven for him it must be he is signed as a free agent with the boston celtics what he's like holy shit yeah this

must have been can you imagine that's amazing bismarck to boston right that's a wow you run through the streets singing opera songs alphabetically i can see how you get there but uh other other way no not any not logically no maybe alphabetically but the logic behind it is shot he becomes the first iba player to sign with an nba team yeah so the league like they tout this like we got a player in the league now like they you know taught him how to play or something it's all down there's this article where it says history was made friday night it's the first line of the article yeah when the first player from the international basketball association made the jump to the nba oh boy he just got signed calm down here also he's been there before that's the other thing

and didn't stick right the black hills posse head coach oh yeah dwayne tickner said this is tremendous when a first year league can put a kid on an nba roster it shows the league is on the right track we're very happy for nate and hope he sticks with the celtics for a long time oh yeah they uh talk about what a what a great thing this is uh he uh one of his coaches here said quote nate is a true success story he came he doesn't have a fucking insurance on his car right calm down success story success to wait till he gets insured or at least a driver's license before we start calling him a success story he was just arrested anyone like two months ago anyone who wants to drive all right try to get

a license first that's that's fine and he should do that probably he came to our league worked hard and caught the eye of the celtics he spent the summer working on his game with the boston coaches and now he's playing with the top players in the world very exciting here um very exciting so what did nate think of the iba um let's see here let's find out what he thought of that he said quote now we already know what he thinks of bismarck right he says quote the iba is a shade or two above local rec leagues there are six teams spread over canada in the upper midwest he said uh and he hated every minute of it he said quote it almost made me give up i was basically coaching the team and i was just going through the motions

the whole thing had me questioning myself wondering if i could play this game it just depressed him yeah that's how bad it was it just made him not want to do it anymore he's like maybe i should just go be a potato farmer like this guy fuck it fuck it and with no money too tested my resolve i'll tell you that that yeah uh he said now about the celtics that a quote it's my last chance if it doesn't work out i don't want it to be because i wasn't working hard enough yeah so he's trying to be mr humble he says that you know maybe someday when he's all done with the celtics after a long successful career he'll return to the iba with another team but never with the wizards because he's not living in barck again. And he said if he should ever come to the Civic Center to face the Wizards, the fans will really give him something to remember because they're mad at him,

basically, because he talks shit. So he's in training camp trying to make the team. That's a big deal here. This is Dee Brown Celtics. This is, let's see the roster. We'll get to it right here. Dana Barrows, Frank Borkowski. Another is, let's see the roster. We'll get to it right here. Dana Barrows. Frank Borkowski.

Another big white stiff. Fucking big man. Used to play for the Bucs. Dee Brown. Yes. Marty Conlin. Todd Day. Purvis Ellison.

Never nervous Purvis. Rick Fox was on this team. Kevin McHale's still there, isn't he? No, no. Not yet? He's retired by now. He's gone now? Yeah, he's retired by now.

Did he leave in 90? Probably 92-ish, somewhere in there. I feel like he was there for a while. He was there a long time, all through the 80s. Stacey King. Yeah. Let's see. He was great.

Greg Miner, who I remember him, Greg Miner. He's Harold's brother, actually. Got it. Yeah, Greg Miner. And Antoine Walker's rookie year as well. Okay, yeah. Or second year, I think. That's great.

Second year, yeah. And Eric Williams also. So there's some year as well. Yeah. Or second year, I think. That's great. Second year, yeah. And Eric Williams also. So there's some good players here. NBA guys, but as a team, we'll talk about that. They're not making the playoffs. It doesn't gel very well, this team at all. A lot of young guys and shit like that. Now, they're talking about how he's got to work hard because in the NBA, he's a guard,

and the Celtics have enough guards, basically. So he's got to be like you know undeniable basically um this was a time when the when the nba was overflowing with guards it was everybody had three four of them absolutely there's a lot of great guards out there and this was a thing where in the newspaper they were coming out with the press saying that whether this guy makes the team or not we want the other teammates to do what he does they're saying because he's the hardest working craziest most violent lunatic player they have out there he's fucking throwing his body around he's throwing elbows he's fighting with everybody all right putting effort in that's what they want to see they want to see some moxie they want to

see you know something out of him uh he's making 1200 bucks a week wow which is better than 350 by a long shot he's balling yeah 1200 a week is that's you know that's better there that's fucking five grand a month almost 50 grand a year that's better than uh you know 60 grand a month yeah that's that's a year so yeah yeah he uh but in the in two, he already accumulated $1,500 in fines in the first two weeks because of technical fouls of him fucking fighting with people and elbowing people and shit like that. One time, though, Ed Rush, the referee, gave him a technical because the official said he was taunting him. Nate says, quote, he didn't like the way I was looking at him. He said that he was trying to intimidate him, and so he teed him up for it. Listen, Ed Rush is one of the best refs in the game. haunting him yeah he said god nate says quote he didn't like the way i was looking at him he said that that he was trying to intimidate him and so he teed him up for it listen ed rush is one of the

best refs yeah you're not gonna fucking intimidate me teed his ass up so but the other two were for violent acts yeah uh uh what they said quote he has that quote look often where he's like angry and trying going after somebody intensity and they love it on the team though they love the intensity boston they like that too that's that's kind of how the celtics were built that's how the city runs and how the celtics were built and that's what they were looking for some intensity like that so uh yeah they said that though he might not make the team the coach coach ml car said yeah you know there's not a lot of uh not a lot of room for him, so he really has to do a good job. They talked about in one game that he told him,

your only job is to be all over Del Curry every time he touches the ball. Don't let him do shit. Del Curry, Steph's dad, obviously. And Driggers apparently blanketed him, and he couldn't do shit with him all over him. So they were like, okay. The night before, he was told he had a specific job to do with John Starks. And I guess he did his job really well.

And so he was like, the coaches were saying that he does everything we tell him to do. Tell him, shut that guy down. He shuts that guy down. He's got intensity. He's doing everything that's asked of him. He says, you know what? This is going well here. He says, quote, even if i get cut i feel like i have

a decent thing going on there's the cba and if somebody gets hurt i feel like i'll be the first person they'll call because they know i'm going to come in and work injured or not right so he's excited he said it's not going the coach ml car said it's not going to be an easy decision to make with the roster he said he's not in a hurry to cut anyone he's going to be watching everybody and all this type of shit so it finally comes down he's going for the 12th and last spot on the team he makes the team oh shit he makes the team which is a fucking miracle basically it is a miracle like he was the long shot and he made the team just based on work ethic and intensity yeah they were like well we can always send him in there to fucking punch somebody, so why not?

Why not have a tough guy on your last guy on your bench? Who cares, you know? He's not going to play much anyway, so he's going to do a lot. We're rebuilding like a son of a bitch here. Yeah, he is the only player ever to play in the NBA from the University of Montevallo to this day. Only ever.

Only ever to make an NBA roster from the University of montevallo and then he says let's let's give him a well actually we'll wait a second but he says quote to make it and put on that uniform was something special the first day i almost broke down when i made the roster you can't explain to people what it's like yeah i bet after making 350 a week and living in fucking bismarck you know playing in a small school to make the Boston Celtics, go up to your locker and have your fucking jersey with your name on it hanging in there. It's got to feel pretty surreal.

You know what that's like, James? That's like opening for several comedians in Phoenix, and then you go to Boston and your name is on the Wilbur's marquee. And there's hundreds and hundreds of people there that want to see your show. We've done that. I know what this guy feels like. That feels pretty...

It's great, right, man? It's pretty fucking cool. Pretty cool, right? Pretty good. It's a pretty fucking intense feeling. You can multiply that for every city for us. I love it. It is.

Awesome. So a little more on it here. We'll give them an in their own words here. Let's do... What the hell? Let's do in their own words, quote, it gives you chills because when they turn on the giant score clock TV screen and you'd see Larry Bird and Kevin McHale and all those guys, they have such a great tradition, different than any other place you've been.

That persona there is something that you just have to experience. Everything was there. Yeah. He loved it. Of course. Grace. Absolutely. Grace. Yeah. something that you just have to experience everything was there yeah he loved it of course grace absolutely grace yeah this this is you walk into that arena and just the seeing of the floor you know what i mean the rafters look at the rafters red arbucks autograph is on the fucking floor look at those what like 14 champion all from the 60s like every goddamn year in the 60s

jerseys lining the russell yeah fucking red Russell. Yeah. Fucking Red Auerbach. Fucking amazing. Yeah. This is, yeah. This is everything. Bob Cousy up there. Right. It's pretty fucking crazy.

So, Grace, by far. Absolutely. So, October 31st, 1996, he's waived by Boston. That was so quick. It was very, very, very fast. Don't worry. He'll be back again. November 8th, 1996, he's signed as a free agent by Boston again.

Oh, crazy. He's the last guy, so whenever they have to make roster moves, they're going to cut him, re-sign him, cut him, re-sign him. Poor bastard. He's that guy. Yeah, it sucks. 96-97, Boston. We gave you the roster.

They finished the year 15-67. Yeah. Fucking train wreck. It's a bad team. Bad team. I don't think ML Carr coached them anymore after that. I think that was probably the last one. So when they bring him back, they have this, there's an article in the paper, and it says,

this is the Boston Globe, question, Nate Driggers. Answer, tough dude. I swear to God, Q, Nate Driggers. A, tough dude. What is this? Yeah, they're talking about... Like a Jeopardy clue? Yeah, they're talking about him trying to make the team and stay on the team.

They said during the Rockets game, he was playing against the Rockets, and he was playing against Marioelli, who was a veteran and won championships at that point. Tough dude, smart player, veteran guy. And the vet told him here, Ellie told him, you're fucking pushing me around. Hey, Rook, quit fucking pushing, dude. Hey, cut that shit out, Rook. He was giving him all that shit.

We're going to square up. He says, hey, dude, what the fuck, relax. And Driggers told him, quote, that's easy for you to say you have a job. I'm trying to get one. It's easy for you to say, motherfucker, I i'm trying to get one it's easy for you to say motherfucker i'm not letting up trying to get a goddamn job right and uh they were both given technicals for a scuffle they got into with each other about it and scowling and all that shit but then after the game they asked ellie about and he goes no i thought about it and i can't be

mad in perspective position he's trying to get a goddamn job he's right yep he says i'm trying he's trying to get a job you know i do the same probably. That's what they want out of him. So what is he going to do? It just happened to be me. He was guarding. That's all. They called him. This is the coaches loved him.

Dee Brown started making everybody call him Grave Driggers after that. Oh, yeah. Dee Brown was the one that said that. He loved him. Grave Driggers. He fucking heard that and was like, oh, that's your name, motherfucker. You are Grave Driggers. They said that he rarely smiles.

He rebounds like a forward. And he has a toughness that the Celtics didn't have the season before and that they like to have on the team. They said if you're handicapping, who will and won't make this team, you've got to put his name in the in column. He wants to fight for a job. Is he playing point or shooting? Shooting guard. And he's just trying to shut down the other teams. He's a defensive stopper, basically.

And yeah, so they're wondering, you know, can he make it? The coach says that he thinks the guys appreciate it, that nothing's being handed to them. And he's making them fight for our rosters. But they like that. I'm sure they love it. They love not knowing if they have a job tomorrow. They've worked their ass off their entire life doing the same thing that they're trying to get paid for. Yeah.

Don't give it to me. To wonder if they're going to be in Bismarck next week. I would really love to earn this. Fuck that. But Driggers had to say the right thing, Nate, and he does. He says, quote, it's that what ML says, then I believe. If that's what ML says, then I believe him. A lot of people wait all their lives for a chance at the NBA.

You've got to take advantage when there's a job available absolutely November 25th 96 he's waived by the Celtics again he'll be back again later in the year poor fucking guy man yeah he has to go for he's not back for a while now so he has to go play for the lacrosse bobcats

who are you know Canada lacrosse Wisconsin oh yeah yeah they were the lacrosse cat birds before that and now they're the bobcats which what's the fucking difference who cares who cares they held an open tryout for this new team on at vitterbo college looking for the wisconsin invincibles yeah what is going on here a bunch of 511 blonde kids who's played in high school cheese fed fucks you're gonna play basketball no shit they did have a i guess i mean it's stupid but for like a local team's commercial like marketing campaign it's at least

they have one that's not just like come see the bobcats like it's something they had a commercial picturing guys in lacrosse uniforms not lacrosse the sport lacrosse bobcat uniforms hawking like doing like subpar team endorsement shit like here's a terrible product with a team thing on it like as a joke like home shopping network they were actors they didn't make the players do it thank fuck because that's embarrassing and the tagline was lousy endorsements. Great basketball. Okay. No, that's, that's something anyway.

People are memorable, but their team plays in cutoff Wranglers. That's all it is with the strings down, down, not even allowed to take them off and caterpillar work boots. That's how it works, man. It's in a car heart jacket.

That's where they got their, their shoe endorsement. Caterpillar boots. Car heart wants to give us money. I know it's hard to wear a jacket while you play basketball, but you don't have to wear one. I'm sorry. We'll turn down the air conditioning. In the winter, we'll open the doors, maybe let the breeze come on through.

But you're going to have to wear that big old brown work coat. I'm sorry. Your warm-up's going to be duck line. Get used to it. This league needs money. We need money. I got you breakaway duck lined work pants sorry carhartt the way it is put them off they're paying you're wearing

they're under duck lined carhartt breakaways that's perfect plot cut off wranglers boots gray socks like knee socks pushed down above the boots like smushed down wool line car heart jacket john deere trucker hat if it weren't for these clothes we wouldn't sweat like patrick ewing look at us all man it's ridiculous my agility is just not the same you're like dennis on fucking Always Sunny showing how your jeans short agility. It's not good. Oh, Christ. So, yeah, he signs there, but he doesn't want to go there.

Yeah, I don't blame him. He says he doesn't want to be there. The coach says that Driggers said that he told him that he wants to ponder his basketball future and didn't plan to report to lacrosse's training camp at this time. So I signed, but, I mean, what is that really? We'll see. What's a contract? You know, it's just words.

Oh, boy. So, yeah, the Bobcats hope that he overcomes his disappointment and shows up, obviously. So the coach says, quote, We have not heard from Nate. We have communicated through his agent. He has signed a contract, but he has turned us down. appointment and shows up obviously so uh the coach says quote we have not heard from nate we have communicated through his agent he has signed a contract but he has turned us down yeah what you don't that's not a thing no he said he is a very talented player but i think right now we are

to the point where it would be fruitless for him to come in it's pointless here um so then he kind of changes his tune a little bit triggers and he and he goes, well, maybe I'll come in. And then the coach says, well, you'd hate to say that you would never activate him. It would have to be a situation where we lost a player or something like that. This is surprising to me. I had lunch with the young man on October 19th. He was all gung-ho at that time. His tune has changed.

So, yeah, he said, here's a guy that if he stays within his strengths can develop into a fine player who can move up he's a very good defensive player a very good rebounder and very athletic one thing i like about him is he doesn't like to finish second he likes to punch you in the fucking face um so he says uh about this uh quote when the bobcats had me in here this summer there was no guarantee i would make boston's roster he said i did it didn't work out but i did live my nba dream i did make it one i did make it to the nba once i still feel i can play in the nba i knew if it didn't happen with boston i'd feel comfortable with that coach over there it's coming along i'm just trying to learn the plays so now he's going to go play for lacrosse here december 96 he plays omaha which is the team that cut him after drafting him number two overall

and he's pissed off at the coach oh i'm sure he says quote he knew i was hurt apparently he's saying he was hurt in training camp and that was the problem and that's why he was cut but i think it's something that's not basketball related i honestly do i honestly do he said he knew i was hurt i have a vendetta against that club now i've got that off my mind i've got that out of my system uh he says fib alt who was the coach motive this new coach motivated me to keep playing ball he said i lived my dream to play in the nba and now he's going to do this and uh he's he's got a huge grudge, is what he said. He's not fucking around. He says in that game he was doing really well. The team won 93-79.

He had a very good game. And he said, I could have ran and kissed everyone on the bench. He said, yeah. Just thrilled. Just thrilled. He said that it's no secret I've got a grudge with that coach. So there you go. The other coach said he declined to discuss why he cut

driggers he says quote i have no comment about nate driggers nate driggers got cut by the omaha racers because he shot 27 in training camp that's it i'm glad he's improved his game there's something else to that yeah yeah it's he shot poorly that's all i'm gonna say he also asked my daughter out but we're not gonna get into that he's a terrible basketball player and i have other things that i don't want to talk about because it makes me look like a piece of shit yeah not a big fan so april 4th 1997 he signs a 10-day contract with the boston celtics why do they love teasing him they love to tease him just cocked his cock his balls are the bluest of anyone in the NBA history here. That's awful.

April 14th, his 10-day contract is up. Boston has to figure out what to do with him. They sign him for the rest of the season. Really? Look at this. He's got a month and a half of security. This is going to be amazing. And he says that he's not worried about minutes. He says, quote, you have to learn to play your role and not worry about your minutes.

You have to push the man ahead of you.'s all you just when you're in there make it so they want you back in there it's all you can do this season he plays in 15 games total for boston 8.8 minutes a game he averages 2.4 points 1.5 rebounds ugly and really makes no impact other than he's a decent defender but he's kind of nothing with him with the ball so he's kind of a to have a shooting guard that doesn't right play he's just a body then you have to be like you have to be like randy brown level fucking defender back in the day where he was like all over people or you know gary payton who was also a great offensive player as well so he had a season high with eight points against the Hornets. Wow. Yeah, 97 here. He grabbed a season high four rebounds against the Magic also,

and he dished his season high two assists against the Raptors. July 7th, 1997, he is released by the Boston Celtics. Right. And he ends up in Poland, where everybody from the south side of Chicago goes when they don't know where to be. Yeah. Poland, which he might have just felt more comfortable there.

I suppose. It's like, I'm used to Polish people. Fifty years after the war, though, they're still rebuilding. Yeah, it's not fun. It's not positive. He goes to Zinik Pruszkow. That's the team there. He also goes to France that year.

He's like, Poland sucks. I'm going to France. It's prettier. At least there's better food. At least there's better food. I hear the girls are pretty kinky. Let's do this. They do some weird shit over there.

They got a couple of them strip clubs, too. I wonder if Shia LaFox is appearing. She's still touring. Fox. Sorry. Triple X. Drag it out. He plays for Elan Sportif Chalones.

Whatever the fuck that is. Chal chalones yeah and that's sportive right yeah sport in there in france yeah um this is when one of his teammates said he should have been a boxer by the way this is one of his old celtic teammates when asked about him he says that quote he's not a basketball player. He's a boxer. He's playing the wrong sport. That's what he's told. So when you're in basketball and your teammates said, that dude ain't a basketball player. He's a fucking boxer that we put shorts on and tell him to go out and punch people. That's fucking wild. And that's kind of what he is after this.

Kind of a roving hit man. 1998, he ends up with the North Melbourne Gi giants in australia all the way to fucking australia he goes here how far out of the nba can you possibly get australia yeah that's as far well maybe new zealand would be a drop below that possibly about as far as you can go this seems lower than like billy ray bay ray uh billy ray bates in the ph. It seems lower. So here's an article from The Age in Melbourne, Australia. Melbourne, Australia. It says, quote, Nate Driggers will also be playing

on Friday night, but that does not mean he will be in the starting five until this is the coach talking. Until Nate learns the style of game that the Giants play, he will have to accept a lesser role on the court. They're fucking Australian guys, dude. He doesn't have to know what lesser role on the court they're five they're fucking australian guys dude he doesn't have to know what your team is doing he can just go out and dominate them it's

a bunch of fucking australian basketball players name an name australian nba players quick never heard of luke longley is that one is is that one that's the guy even one that's the guy and they were just like oh he's tall you know what there's another one that plays now he played for the spurs not a huge basketball not known for its basketball there's other sports that are there's like eight sports kids are gonna play first there's everything rugby and fucking soccer dudes are aboriginal football some i'm sure i don't know so uh but they he said it's they're gonna they're gonna nate basically his role is to be an enforcer yeah um they ask him about it what that is and he says with a smile on his face that sure he's not allowed to take a gun on the court and shoot an

opponent he said but if the coach asked him to come off the bench and hit a guy they said will you do it and he said of course he said obviously yeah i'll fucking sock him right in the grill those people are not going to be afraid of him they fight kangaroos yeah but he's i'm not physically he's just they're not in his league maybe fight all the kangaroos you want this is a man who is six five and built like a fucking boxer on the south side of chicago people live in australia fight nature to live there every day none of that nature is none of that nature is from the south side chicago none of those natures a six foot five muscular dude from the south side of chicago with the nickname grave who grew up on on way different barbecued rat yeah i feel like he's got a psychological advantage if nothing else gutter grilled rat is a little more uh yeah protein packed than whatever the fuck they're

eating in the than vegemite sewer rat or gutter rat one vegemite nothing sorry australia yeah so anyway everyone's afraid of him it's not where he's from it's he's a fucking aggressive scary large man and everyone's afraid of him they don't want to get punched by him apparently um so they ask if if like in the one game he the north melbourne giants teammates said he's got to chill out a little bit because he got in a fight with the captain of the team in practice. A fucking fist fight with a guy named Pat Reedy in practice. Beating up their Michael Jordan. Yeah, hey, calm down, chief.

They said, does that help a team come together? They said, are you helping, Nate? And he said, oh, yeah. This is what you got to do. He said, if I can brawl with my own teammate, the other guy, the opponent, I don't even know his name. I don't care nothing about him. I don't hold no grudges. He said, you know, that guy knows I'm going to kick his ass.

If I'll punch the captain of the team, imagine what I'll do to you, motherfucker. I'll hit you so much harder. Exactly. He said he apologized to Reedy, the captain, after the incident. He goes, there was no hard feelings there. I was just trying to show everybody that I'll throw the fuck down with anybody. So he picked that guy out. So, yeah, he he brought he was brought in after the opening game to stop guards, basically to be a defensive stopper.

And he says that he hates that everybody criticizes the imports there. They call it they always call them the imports, like just like the Philippines. And he says, quote, if you're losing, everybody's pointing the finger because you're the import if you if the boss is not satisfied he either pays you or he doesn't pay you or he don't pay you i play hard every night i can't put no wings on my back i can't go out there and change the numbers on the board yeah he says that uh the money the team apparently is losing money and sometimes they don't pay them it's kind of hit and miss uh yeah apparently they said they won't talk about salary apart from saying it's not much and they're believed to be earning less than ten thousand dollars a year for this yeah damn it so yeah not terrific 2000 he is inducted into the montevallo hall of fame oh he should be

hall of fame the only guy he's just him with a basketball under his arm he's the inaugural uh member newspaper sack so uh he's inducted into the montevallo hall of fame and it's him and some female basketball player as well they put in there who was not as nearly as good as like he didn't have the the numbers and the stature of him but she was really good too now 2001 he is arrested in cook county so he went home yeah as we know he's in chicago he is arrested for the manufacturing and delivering of about 5 000 grams of weed oh so what it's a lot of weed it's not i don't give a fuck about weed he just has a shitload of weed and he has like a whole sales operation of how he like bags it and distributes it right he's a he's a distributor

which is not that's like that's a lot yeah 5,028 to an ounce so there you go i can't do that math you can't put fives and eights together that's too difficult i'm gonna guess uh probably in the neighborhood of a thousand pounds well a thousand no see 500 grams times five so that would be carry the one it would be like 10 pounds i believe okay i'm not mistaken it's a thousand so it's a lot yeah it's a lot of fucking weed it's too much basically it's it's a lot of weed and it's the way he had it he didn't like have it just sitting there like it wasn't a brick it was in baggies it's bagged and it's the way he had it. He didn't have it just sitting there for personal use. It wasn't a brick. It was in baggies. It's bagged up.

He's got a whole operation going, and it's like he's selling it. He's got a whole street operation under him who distributes it. So you're going to get in trouble for that. I'm not saying you should get in trouble for that. You shouldn't serve life in prison for that. I salute you, sir. I've required you for many years. There's been many times where your services have been just absolutely you know close to my heart life saving life saving as a matter of fact but uh the

state of illinois feels differently at this point in time federal judges it's a felony too because it's a big deal and uh he is found guilty of delivering, all that, selling. The whole trafficking operation. The whole distributing cannabis here. And he is sentenced to, you, sir, may fuck off four years in prison. God damn. That's kind of impressive. That's fucking a lot. Is it? Four years for weed?

Yes, but. It's fucking weed, man. In the 90s, though. It's 2001. Oh, this was 2001. Still, 2001 is still Bush was president. You know, Clinton, Clinton, Bush. And this isn't a political party thing that anybody politician from then.

They all hated weed. It was the scourge of the 80s and the 90s. And so it was in that era where, yeah, weed was considered evil and zero tolerance. And I'm still of the mindset that guys that hated that shit and wanted to outlawed are just pussies that couldn't handle it yeah they tried it once right they're like oh my god it made me crazy i didn't know where time was and i said shit and then i felt like i already said that oh man i'm so hungry i think they just feel like it'll make their their girlfriends uh like jazz and black men and maybe eat a little

too much and then she'll get fat and then i don't want her it's gonna make them it's gonna make them dance with the colors that's that phrase has been said before i believe from some fucking horrible person jesus christ anyway it still feels like four years on a first offense with that much weed feels like it they went kind of light on i thought it was i was like really years in prison what the fuck it's a lot that's a fucking probation thing who cares it's fucking weed man four years of your life there's no violent crimes in there and any of that shit i mentioned like this is just weed yeah that's a little ridiculous but the whole sales thing of it makes him uh it's a felon he's a felon forever and he's got no can't carry a firearm and any of that shit too which will come up later oh this is bad a felon he's a felon forever and he's got no can't carry a firearm and any of that shit

too which will come up later oh this is bad um so 2003 he's out of prison so he gets out a little bit early which he should it would serve the whole fucking time right god damn out of here just in terms of budgets is that what you want to pay for not really who cares i don't care unless you're hurting people i don't give a fuck do what you want I don't give a fuck. Do what you want. I don't want to pay for it. At least if you're on the street, I'm not paying for it, whatever you're doing. The guy that lived next door to us was my stepfather's supplier. And if he had that much weed on him, I would hope that they'd put him away because he was a fucking weirdo.

Oh, of course. Most people are weirdos. The guy that has shit piles of weed is usually a strange fucking guy. Strange guy. He's got a ferret running around. He didn't really even weigh it. He'd just like clump his fingers into a bag, throw it in a Ziploc, and then like hold it up to the light and shake it.

That's enough. Not good. How are you making money, man? I knew a guy like that, and he had a ferret that he would give acid to. You're like, where am I? This is like a... How is this like a money-making operation for you? Yeah.

There's a ferret running around everywhere. You're like, I don't want to be here. You clearly do this just to get enough for you to smoke. Fuck, I'm going to... Because this is weird. I'd go get nickel bags on the street because I just couldn't handle the weirdness. It's easier. Easier to just get fucking nickels on the street.

Weird guy selling you weed in his underwear. Oh, yeah. With a ferret running around on acid so he can bite his dick off. And his children didn't even have fucking diapers on. Just wandering around the house. No kids. I was like 18. But still, it's a little...

This guy was in his 40s, James. Just a strange man. That's a very different time here. So by 2003, he's out, though. And he, for some reason, I don't know how he got involved in this, but he takes part in a Nike-sponsored one-on-one basketball tournament in Chicago. I think it's people from Chicago, like, you know, guys that are from there. And so, yeah, he says that the chicago tribune interviews him this is 2003

long after he's played for the celtics and they're like so who are you yeah what's your name what's your name friend and he said i played with the celtics antoine uh celtics antoine walker's rookie year 1996 the then i had some indiscretions in my life that took me away from the game indiscretions like prison yeah that's an indiscretion there i would say but also if you have to use somebody else's timeline to identify yours that's bad yeah you know remember him right you won't know if i gave you my name you wouldn't have a fucking clue but you know me right you know antoine walker remember that guy remember him he's good right ain't a hundred and something million dollars? I played with him. He's broke now.

We have the same amount of money now. Oh, man. You want to get sad, Jimmy? I do. 2003, 2004. He's back in the game. He's back in basketball. You know where he plays? No. For Juarez. Oh, Mexico. Juarez. On the other

side of El Paso. The one where you go, that side of the south side of El Paso is a real shithole. That's the on the other side of el paso one where you go that's that side of the south side of el paso is a real shithole that's the place el paso looks like shit yeah that's not el paso whisman no that is not even this country jimmy not only is that not the city we're in yeah that ain't even the country i think your exact words were, Jimmy, that's Mexico. That's Mexico. Then you looked and you went, oh, that makes sense. Yeah, I guess that's like, oh, see that?

There's a fence. Right. A whole thing over there. Looking at it, I was like, they could use an HOA. Yeah. Oh, man. Those houses, never mind what color flowers you got outside. You need a front wall.

That's not good. You can see inside your bathroom from the street. I think that guy's thugging, James. That's bad. Bad stuff. I can see what's on their TV. Oh, it's not good. And it's snowy.

Right. So he ends up, I guess, playing for Juarez for a little while. Then in 2004, he ends up with the Calgary Drillers. How do you get from? I don't know. One extreme to the next. So December 11, 2004, while out practicing on the court with the Calgary drillers. So it's freezing up there. He says they ask him about, you know, because he played in the NBA.

They're all excited and they gather around him. And he says, quote, I can always show my son my Boston Celtics jersey that shows no matter if I ever make it back again, I did it. I lived out my dream and not too many people can say that. Ten years ago. Ten years ago for like five minutes. You're never going to do it again. No. 2005, he plays in the Netherlands for Den Helder.

Okay. Who's he? Hey, Den, how's it going? You play basketball for me now. 14.5 points a game he scores there 2005 he signs with the utah snow bears yikes the same day that the uh that uh oliver miller one of our crime and sports alum signed with the arkansas rim rockers which sounds like a scary sexual move it does i gave her the rim rocker oh god is she okay they named their team after a uh like a section of basketball cards yeah that was there was like

six of them in every in every series the rim rocker the flea rim rocker they named their fucking team that that's bad man uh now on money they ask him about money and he's got a quote here i don't know how he could even say this. He says, quote, one thing about it, financially, I'm okay. Oh, boy. I did the right things with my money. What money? What?

You didn't make any money. Even with the Celtics, you didn't make any money. You gave it back with the Celtics for punching people. You didn't even have like a $1 million, $10 million a year. No, money didn't make anything. How much did Juarez pay you? He said, my family, my kids are okay, and I have a stable life. Along with the nice money I made overseas, which some of the European clubs pay decent money,

and some investments that turned out good, it worked out for me. I hope he means Apple. Yeah, he's saying he's fine. Apparently, he thinks it does. Yeah, he thinks he's fine. Apparently, he thinks it does. Yeah, he thinks he's fine. 2005, on down to Mexico again to play for Gambusinos de Fresnillo.

So there's that. August 12, 2007, he sold a house, I found in the newspaper, under literally the sales section of property transfers he sold a house at 12724 south peoria street to uh a woman named charlotte robinson for 127 000 she's doing great doing fantastic he's got 125 grand at least at least said well we don't know what he owes but at least i think i know what he bought with it, though, because June 12th, 2009. OK, there's a two month investigation into from the from a federal agency. This is amazing. Looking at looking at certain shoes being sold at far at a Southside shop. Basically, it's like an indoor mall. Oh, no. There's a store in there.

And they end up making two arrests. The Markham police do it. It's just outside of the border of Chicago who led the investigation. They assisted Chicago Police Tactical Unit in raiding the store and seizing 500 pairs of, by the way. Counterfeit what? He owns the store, obviously. This is him doing this, Nate. Counterfeit Air Jordans. Oh, Christ. He's selling fucking phony Jordans. what he owns the store obviously this is him doing this nate um counterfeit air jordans oh

he's selling fucking phony jordans bootleg jordans he's an nba player that is selling bootleg fucking jordans this is believable we have grace yeah this is fucking scraping the bottom of a brock. This is the worst. Right. This is low. Like, as far as the embarrassment. Right. Sure.

Yeah. This is like if this is like if Ray Rice was busted selling bogus Tom Brady. Yeah. This is banana. It's fucking crazy. It's like the guy who was his name, Rivera, who stole Derek Cheater's glove. And when he played for the Yankees and sold it to some memorabilia person. You're not playing anymore.

This is crazy. This is fucking crazy, man. Talk about, this is like the biggest admission of failure in the NBA ever, selling counterfeit Air Jordans. Selling shit that's fake of somebody who is mad successful at what you wanted to do. In that city. Right. In Chicago. Right.

This is at the halstead indoor mall at 11 444 south halstead in chicago here um one of the that's nate driggers is the owner of the store he's the one doing it uh the police were notified by representatives of nike actually about the alleged sales that's how much nike knows they're in a fucking tiny mall in the south side of chicago they know if some fucking tiny storefronts selling fake jordans but they have no idea when sweatshops are busted no clue no clue that that's even happening they're using kids we had no idea but there's 500 pairs of shoes somewhere and they know all about it yeah they sent an undercover

officer in to make a purchase make some purchases he said the counterfeit jordan sold for 35 bucks a pair okay which you know they're fake right if you look like even online if you look for jordan's let's say jordan fives i'm gonna look for if they're less than 130 dollars they're fake obviously they're fake and they're not real you know you may even pay 130 dollars and get a fake and get them fake too you don't know. Yeah. But 35 bucks. Definitely. For sure. Yeah. Oh, just what a deal this guy got.

Amazing. They said they got the shoes from New York City. And he said Nike comes out and tells the authorities if someone sells one pair of counterfeit shoes. That's how serious they are with this. Don't fuck with Nike. Apparently another an employee, Michael Bohannon, who's 28 years old, was also arrested and they were both charged with unauthorized use of a trademark.

And it was like 50-something counts of it. And could be upgraded to a felony. Oh, by the way, what was also seized in the shop? Oh, shit. 10 pounds of marijuana as well. Of course he's got 10 pounds of weed. So that's worth, you know, whatever. So they take him in for all this.

Jordans and weed. This is just... Depressing. Yeah, I thought you said a year ago, you said you're great on money and you felt good. Everybody's happy. That's worth whatever. So they take him in for all this Jordans and weed. This is just depressing. Yeah, I thought you said a year ago, you said you're great on money and you felt good. Everybody's happy. Like, what a fucking mess. That's the investment that's panned out. Weed apparently is an impenetrable market.

That's it. It never goes down. Well, it doesn't. It's good. People always want it because it works. So then he's got to sit in his shop and like, what do you do now? All your product's good. Yeah. People always want it because it works. Because it works. Somebody's got to sit in a shop and like, what do you do now? All your product's gone. You got to sell knockoff cologne now.

Look at the barren walls. Yeah. Like, well, Ralph Lauren isn't quite as litigious, so we're going to do this. CK1 seems to not give a shit. Calvin Klein doesn't care what I do out here in the Halstead Indoor Mall. But Nike. There's nothing more insulting than somebody walking up to you in a parking lot going hey uh can i bother you for a minute smell this and then they're like smells

just like ck1 right really do i look like the kind of guy that buys parking lot cologne ck1 first of all and then one number two not even the real shit i'll go to a store with walls when i'm on it thank you. So, yeah, they're not going to do that shit. So now he's got to sit in his store. Yeah. And he actually, once, because he's kind of been unlucky for the last 10 years, he finally catches a break. Oh? Finally, he's in his store, and a very important person comes up to shop at the store.

Yeah. And finally, finally finally it's something good for him it's vince mcmahon ceo and head of the world wrestling entertainment and he says how is it you've come to arrive here? Look at you. Oh, God, you're a beautiful son of a bitch. Oh, you're huge. You're six foot five. Oh, my God.

You even have a great name. Yeah. Grave Driggers. Yeah. Grave Driggers. The Undertaker's very old. Yeah. We can't go much longer with that.

Grave Driggers. You're like an MMA guy. It sounds like Nathan. Hey, Grave Driggers. You're like an MMA guy. It sounds like Nathan. Hey, Grave Driggers. That's an MMA name. That's what we'll do. We'll put those little gloves on you. You'll be like, boom, you're an MMA person.

Tape up your calves. You're a kickboxer. Nathaniel Grave Driggers. He's like, my name's Nathan. He's like, I said Nathaniel Grave Driggers. That way I own it. That way I own you and your name

now get that shirt off sign this 1099 let's see what you got here try these overalls on try them on yes yes

poof and a poof of 1099s and fucking unnecessary surgeries and other people's sweat other people's

other people's labor and sweat. He's gone. Poof. And Nate's like, come back, but I want yes. Yes. I'd need it. Is it too late to say yes? You can call me whatever you want.

Nathaniel, I don't give a shit. November 1st,st 2010 as if it matters he retires from pro basketball officially like it fucking matters put that out on the press where just so everyone knows right he's officially retired so uh april of 2017 he is arrested again oh no and this is kind of not a good one for him at all. He is arrested as a convicted felon in possession of stolen guns. In Chicago? In Chicago.

It's a lot of guns. And let's find out how he got them, because this shit is fucking crazy. That's the storefront here. Can you see that? What? It's a storage unit. That's not the mall one with the Jordans. It's a different one he's got. I assume it's a pet groomer next to him because I see like a poodle.

Yeah. But it just looks like an abandoned storefront that like a little pizza place or something would run out of or like a little local politician's like headquarters. It looks like. Who's running. Not even in office yet. There is a guy named Tom Cross. His sign is on the window.

So I feel like that's what's happening right now. Or contact him to rent this space because the lease is almost out. Yeah. windows i feel like that's what's happening right now or contact him to rent this space because the lease is almost out yeah it's at 127th street in halstead here uh where he trafficked this stuff uh the police raid the storefront that he leases on the south side of chicago and they find all sorts of shit and we'll get into it here what happened well on april, 2015, let's talk about some people. Andrew Shelton, Elgin Lipscomb, Alexander Peebles, Terry Walker, Patrick Edwards, Dondre Moody, Frederick Lewis, and Marcel Turner. The whole crew. The whole crew. They're all gang-affiliated guys, too.

Tons of arrests and gang shit and all that sort of thing. They're also friends of nate over here obviously uh they stole 104 brand new ruger firearms from a railroad car in chicago that uh this car was on its way from the new hampshire factory to spokane washington with this load and they instead stole them like cowboys like cowboys they're not this is fucking insane i didn't know this was all going on here uh they cased out the norfolk southern rail yard i used bolt cutters to bypass the locks on the rail cars right fucking went in there uh the night of this train yard burglary three of them first drove to indiana to wait for the cargo trains to arrive

and followed them back to the station. So they knew which ones they were following the whole time. So they followed it. Once it stopped, that's when they got the bolt cutters. They had the other people waiting there for it. And that's how they did it. They were like, that's the train. Get the bolt cutters.

Let's do it. Yeah. At one point, they get inside the train to steal shit. And this is wild. They come across a shipment of women's sandals and took those. They offloaded the women's sandals. Yeah, you know, the store, if you can sell Jordans, you can sell shoes. Later, while they were rummaging for shit to steal, this is fucking crazy.

This is one of the weirdest things ever. They ran into a different group of burglars. We're also robbing the train. They ran into a second group of train robbers. Wow. The two groups ran into each other and were like, oh, shit. And they were like, oh, wait, you don't work here? You don't work?

No, we're stealing shit. Well, so are we. Fuck it. I found this over here. They start telling each other what's up. This is over here. Have you been down here? Check out over here.

You'll really like that section. They fucking teamed up. they all teamed up i mean like if ben affleck and tom cruise ran into oceans 11 we're like i guess we're oceans 22 now robbing a casino now fuck it like it's insane so they run into they're stealing from the same train they all go around together to steal together now it's the same fucking group and they found a cache of guns stocked up in a stacked up in a box car in the back they decided to team up to steal as many of the weapons as they could unbelievable so they offloaded as much as they could and then divide the loot later on uh alexander peebles who was one of the thieves he later tells investigators

that they took all the guns back to the basement of Elgin Lipscomb, who once they got there, they opened the packages and found these fucking guns. And the guy said, quote, Oh, man, these motherfuckers are pretty. That was his quote. And there are the guns, as you can see them here. They're like these wood, wood ones with like a fucking little clip in them and shit. They're crazy looking. There's a lot of different kinds. They look like a wood stock on them. What that is. They're crazy looking. There's a lot of different kinds. Wait a minute. They have like a wood stock on them.

Yeah, I don't know what that is. It's wood. And it's a Ruger. Yeah. But it's got a mag that's super long in the front like a- Yeah. Like a fucking- A little banana clip.

Yeah. A mini banana clip. That's a weird gun. It's super weird. I've never seen that before. And there's different ones. There's a revolver here. There's a handgun.

It looks like a 9mm or something with fucking- There's a big factory for them here in Arizona,zona ruger they're the really they're the best made 22 on the market they may know they've been they make a 22 like nobody else that's a great gun hunter thompson always said that really it's just a it's a very well-made uh firearm then he traded it in the early 60s for a 44 yeah because you want something that's big well he always says that uh you know uh what do you say he said uh was talking about motorcycles with hell's angels and he goes yeah little tiny hondas are fun yeah and you know so are fucking bb guns and whatever but if you want to do something you get a fucking harley 74

and a 44 magnum that's right that's if you grow up that's when you're a man you're a man if you ride a harley davidson and you carry a big big fire so 22s are fun but they're not yeah yeah it's an adorable gun so but it's also when you're a mob figure and you're trying to get rid of people without evidence that's what 22s are for yeah if that's you don't care about what you're seeing you care about eight-year-olds popping scrolls processes yeah so a rail yard employee discovers the broken locks in the morning after all of this god long gone seven o'clock in the morning spotted the broken locks bolt cutters lying on the ground there too just left him who gives a shit uh the thieves were long gone here the fucking guns were being sold by then

so what does this have to do with nate driggers i'd like what the fuck well did he get tied up with these guys on the day of the heist these guys like work for him they all do this shit they sell him shit they know he's a fence basically if you take stolen shit to him he can sell it to people because he's got storefronts where he can hide shit sell shit co-defendants terry walker frederick lewis and marcel turner backed a van up to his shop and showed him the guns they had for sale uh turner who ends up cooperating with authorities in this whole thing uh will later testify that driggers paid eight thousand dollars in cash for 30 rugers and um he said he took it right out of his pocket had a lot of cash boom great deal um yeah so back to the store raid uh they claim that nate bought these 30 rugers uh the day after the heist and quickly resold 29 of them out of his store

front here right away that much he kept one for himself here uh oh that's dumb as of the time and quickly resold 29 of them out of his storefront here. Right away. That much. He kept one for himself here. Oh, that's dumb. As of the time they bust them, only 19 of the 104 guns had been recovered. Oh, no. And we'll find out where they were recovered. It's not good. He's not selling these to people to defend their homes.

He's selling them cheap guns for people to use and throw away. Oh, that's right. Yeah. telling them cheap guns for people to use and throw away. So Chicago police officer Jason Vachey, he detailed to the Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms Bureau there that they executed the search warrant. They said that basically they knew it was his building because it was a photograph exhibit that the guy picked out.

The Turner guy said that's the store. Testimony said there was the there was that there was video shit um so they they uh they had a lot of televisions when they went into the store unmarked storefront by the way it doesn't even say it's like a store it's just like if you know to go there for illegal shit yeah it's illegal store is what it is um because he he had all sorts of shit he had tvs he had fucking uh abercrombie and fitch shit what a bunch of like abercrombie and fitch clothes he had stuff like that and it's a bunch of other shit still in its original packaging all sorts of like clearly stolen items obviously in

their original packaging so this train thing i think happens quite a bit yeah and uh yeah so they you know they had all that shit um they said during these during the uh the execution of the search warrant they did seize one ruger firearm it's the one he didn't sell for himself there and that was introduced as evidence they also uh said they executed search warrants for rental storage units associated with warren gates who was also in this and in those units they found six stolen firearms and a bunch of other stolen goods, too, as well. So there's more than that. Nate, his defense is, store's not mine.

That's his defense. That ain't my store. So they said, okay. I just work here. Yeah, I don't know. No, he said, I don't know anything about it. That's not my store. So they talked to the owner of the building that says he leases it to him, to a guy, to

Driggers, who he whom he calls Nate and also Odom, who is a defendant and a co-lease a leasee as well. The owner's property manager testified to that as well. Police also said that agents found mail and other documents, the property that had his name on them and that law enforcement agents had concluded their investigation that they were the leaseholders because they also testified that a year before driggers had called the police on somebody to that location using that address as his so right it's you're fucking providing his phone number which also matches the phone that's there so it's

it's just as dead to rights it's your store as you could possibly fucking be. It's not my store unless somebody tries to steal from it. Then I need the cops because it's definitely my store. Then it's my store and they're fucking with my shit. So they said that this only highlights the lack of security on the rails. They said earlier in the year there had been other unsolved break-ins at the same facility. Also in September 2016, 30 guns were taken. In 2014, 13 AR-15s were taken off the train as well. So this is a common, this has been happening for years.

That's fucking horrifying. Yes, just on the street. Why is that place, after one break-in, not like, all right, we locked this down and nobody ever comes in here? After this, they finally started using different locks that were more secure or you just keep the train moving it doesn't stop here stop here overnight so april 2017 is the trial and they're saying that he bought the guns and all that sort of thing that turner guy testifies against him up and fucking down he says that uh they try to say that he's just doing it for a lower sentence he said yes and he's also this is also what happened and everybody else testifies oh yeah no dre does

dre nate's the offense if you have stolen shit you just give it to nate and he sells it yeah that's it so uh yeah they testified that they spoke to nate and they know nate and uh you know all that shit they were easy he had no problem buying the stuff. No problem buying the guns. He says that this Turner guy testifies that he saw Walker and Lewis in possession of even bigger wads of cash than the one Turner received. He said he was told to leave, but he saw the triggers have the cash in his hand. He didn't see him hand the cash to anyone. But when they exited, Walker handed Turner abouter about 1700 in cash for his part in it basically so he assumed that they bought the shit now maybe he should just say it's not him and try

to get sympathy it's a different nate you know that's all get some sympathy have the jurors say i feel sorry for this guy i really do right but not nearly as sorry as i feel what for nate driggers licensed realtor oh no jesus christ he's never gonna sell a goddamn thing in the dc area don't it's not him guys it's not him nathan bruce driggers as well who's a canine counselor and pet care professional he's bobby colorado this guy nate driggers environmental compliance specialist in the greater atlanta area and finally because this is the most common one that comes up nate driggers mortgage loan officer at fairway independent mortgage company company in louisville look at this fucking guy poor bastard oh he's a loan officer his face is so unfortunate he's got like four and

three-quarter stars here 4.8 stars out of 85 reviews it's a giant nerd he says whether you're looking to buy build or refinance your home our experienced mortgage mortgage professionals are here to help they're gonna help them out i have a bunch of reviews here look at this uh five stars for nathan uh five stars communication consistency thoroughness and a willingness to work in the I have a bunch of reviews here. Look at this. Five stars for Nathan. Five stars. Communication, consistency, thoroughness, and a willingness to work in the best interest of my family. And at the closure of the house, he gave us a bonus gun. And he gave us a gun, and he punched my daughter in the face. Five stars.

Nate is very patient and answered every—this is the opposite of Arne—answered every question I had thoroughly, thoughtfully, and promptly. He's great at what he does. He made this experience painless, and I would love to work with him again in the future. Great guy. There's one. He always gives updates for the next step. That's great. Only four stars, though.

Oh, fuck you. I fucking hate that shit. What do I got to do? What do you want him to do? Move your couch? What the fuck else does he have to do? You said great. Great.

Does his job. You know, four stars. I don't give anybody five. Well, then don't review anything if you don't give anybody five, you fucking dildos. I hate when people do that. There's always room for improvement. Fuck you. Yeah.

You perfectionist cunt. Nate was the best. What do you do? I want to review you, you asshole. Yeah. Well, this one is even worse. Here's five stars. Nate was awesome.

He's always quick and courteous. He's very confident. He's reassuring. Blah, blah, blah, blah, this one is even worse. Here's five stars. Nate was awesome. He's always quick and courteous. He's very confident. He's reassuring. Here's one. Taking the time to explain everything. Being a first-time homebuyer, I didn't understand much at all, and he helped me. Three stars. What the fuck?

You fucking asshole. You're an asshole. You're a fucking asshole. Three stars. Yeah, listen to this. Nate went above and beyond to ensure we got to the closing table yeah four stars how dare you above and beyond that's five stars man do i have to jerk you off how dare you your couch into your fucking house do i have to mount your tv no i got the drill i'll

find the stud don't worry about what are you fucking kidding me this guy have to do with it's anyway poor fucking Rating systems are fucked. This is ridiculous. That's what I mean. So use him for whatever you're doing. Anyway, back to the trial here. Other evidence they presented was on site cell records. They had a whole it was like a whole thing with cell phone records going back and forth.

They showed that triggers and Walker were in contact multiple times in the day of the train robbery when they hadn't talked for like weeks before that right you know shit like that calls between driggers and the co-defendant moody on the same day uh phone records called that uh yeah right around this time there's just all sorts of calls like that problem it's a huge problem and also they said that the phone he used that were all connected to the towers in the general vicinity of the store he's at and they were using cell phone towers on him like he's fucking adnan syed over here this is ridiculous the storage unit like we said contained six firearms from the stolen train robbery as well right um all things fucking ridiculous now the defense i don't even know what your defense is to this it's you're dead to rights here at the conclusion they said that uh he made an emotion for an acquittal like let's just do it

now yeah this is a judgment of acquittal we shouldn't even go to the jury with obviously they framed him the keys to a forerunner were in his house i don't know what this is insufficient evidence they said it's so weak that it would is only an acquittals appropriate they said no we're good he just wants to watch wrestlemania come on let him out he just wants to watch wrestlemania um now the defense rested without presenting any evidence nothing no evidence they just said the prosecution was done they were like i think we made our point the defense and then they sit down which is not good closing arguments the lawyer says, quote, he is the rags to riches story.

This is his lawyer. Rags to riches, selling Jordan, didn't do riches playing basketball. You know, talks about his career got cut short. And he said that it was pure conjecture on the part of the prosecutors to say that any of the recovered guns were the ones that Driggers sold. While he has drug convictions in his background,

he said that he's never been in a gang or accused of any violence. In fact, he's known for helping underprivileged kids in the neighborhood where he sponsors a youth basketball program. Of course. Look, if he's got any sort of riches, it's from the drug market. And you know who else supported shit like that is a man named Pablo Escobar. Every gangster in town. You always do that.

John Gotti, everybody does that shit. You get everybody in the neighborhood on your side and nobody turns it right. And if they do, you're a dick because everyone's like, hey, you're giving us nice stuff. His lawyer says, quote, he's a big man, but he's a gentle man. He's never picked fights with anyone,

which is hilarious, and he's never hurt anybody. Verdict comes down, guilty of all charges. Everything here. heard anybody uh verdict comes down guilty of all charges everything here uh he files to get his conviction tossed out immediately obviously saying that the witness lied saying marcel turner lied to get a lighter sentence and everything like that but they said that you know no it's everything is backed up what he says is backed up with facts you did this yeah it's everything is backed up. What he says is backed up with facts. You did this. Yeah, it's all backed up with like paperwork and facts and other bunch of other people's stuff. You're a fucking you're a fence. That's all there is.

He says that the only proof is his of his knowing possession besides Turner's testimonies was that agents found one of the firearms. The only proof besides the people you work with telling on you was physical proof of you having it. Other than that, there's no proof. Are you out of your fucking mind when you say that? The only proof you got is an actual gun in my possession that was traced back to that load. That's a problem. Wow. That's a lot of evidence.

It's a lot. It's just it's a lot. Evidence says that the agents discovered a firearm. He concedes that that was stolen. But, you know, he said that the property there's multiple people there that lease it. It couldn't have been. It could have been anybody's gun. OK.

So anyway, he's guilty. Yeah. July 2017. Where are the fucking guns still? Right. Well, they're starting to find them now. Oh, no. One time they raided a home and found a man wanted in colorado for attempted murder sleeping with a bin

filled with sleeping next to a bin filled with weapons including one of the rugers loaded with one in the chamber and everything sitting there from that batch um yeah they found them one was found may 25th when police in dalton responded to a call of three suspicious men on a porch of a boarded up property as the officers approached they fled leaving behind the 45 caliber ruger which was one of the stolen weapons loaded with 14 rounds as well um and then uh let's see here they found uh teen in the clip and one in the hole that's a lot that's a lot 15 in the clip was it 15 15 yeah and one but that's not 45 rounds no 45 five and one motherfucker so the first gun was found in uh april 2015 concealed in a vehicle during a traffic stop

the driver said the weapon was for protection obviously a second one loaded with six live rounds was recovered uh lying on a porch in a really, really shitty neighborhood. Another one, let's see here, was found. One gun was found by a citizen who found it hidden under his own gutter. Oh, my God. Somebody put it as their stash weapon there. Stuffed in his house? On the outside.

Yeah. So any kid could have found that. If he found it, any kid could have found it. Anything was stuffed under his gutter. So any kid could have found that. If he found it, any kid could have found it. Anything was stuffed under his gutter. So there's guns loaded as well. They're finding loaded. Just jammed around the neighborhood. All over the place.

So September 2014 or 17, September 14th, sentencing comes around. Prosecutor is asking for maximum of 10 years. He's asking for here, which is the max sentence. He said that Driggers actions have contributed to the, quote, very dark place Chicago finds itself in when it comes to gun violence. Oh, yeah, he's putting it on him. He's fueling the fire there. He says he said, well, while he sits in jail, the guns he sold are going to continue to

be recovered by Chicago police. It seems just like this. And he talks about the one he found. There is no reason to believe something magical that any of them went to law abiding citizens. The people who are doing the shootings are getting the guns from people like him. Yeah, fair enough. Nate says, he said, what do you got anything to say for yourself before sentencing? And he says that he'd never he's first of all, he never got out on bail.

He's in an orange jumpsuit. And he says that he'd never he's first of all, he never got out on bail. He's in an orange jumpsuit. And he says that he never sold any guns. And it hurts a little bit to hear prosecutors link him to violence. Hurts me right here. Lord, he said, quote, I'm not I'm just not the monster that's being portrayed here today. As far as putting these guns out on the street, he goes, that's just not me. That's just not what I do. And they went, well, judge said, we just had a whole trial.

Right. And I disagree. Yeah. And as a matter of fact, he said that he brought up, he said, look, you know, your background was rough. I know that you had a terrible upbringing. And he said that you reached, quote, reached a point that millions of people would envy playing professional basketball in the U.S. and traveling all over Europe and the world.

Quote, so what in the world are you doing in a federal courtroom yeah which is a great fucking questions a great question he said do you understand the effect that your actions might have on your own neighborhood and he said if you were truly community-minded like your lawyer says you were with you know helping kids and all that you wouldn't have told uh you wouldn't have you know sold a bunch of guns, and you would have told these guys to, quote, get the hell out of here as soon as you saw they were selling stolen guns. You, sir, may fuck off eight years in prison. Almost the max. Almost the max.

Eight years. He's still there, man. And he's still there. He's still there. His co-defendant here the next day warren gates gets five years and three months in prison for possessing 24 firearms and uh that is it he's still in there forever well not forever but for a couple more years at least agitator of shirak oh god yeah and well also to imagine he's fucking in jail he's not going to be a guy to be trifled

with because he's a big tough motherfucker he's gonna he fights he's gonna be he's not going to be a guy to be trifled with because he's a big, tough motherfucker. He fights. He's going to be... He's going to add to his sentence. He's going to be running a block here soon. I don't know. He's going to be pretty fucking tough in jail to mess with. Can't get enough of Nate Driggers? Well, get sent to a federal prison and hang out with him

because that's all there is. There's nothing else. There's no autographs. There's no... He played for five minutes. Nobody cares. No cards, no shit. He's got the only jersey. That's it. him and his son that's the only one and that everybody is nate grave

driggers it's one of those under the radar stories that no one knows anything about what a terrible story it's wild man so we had to we had to tell everybody about it god damn it oh man if you enjoyed that story tell us about it and tell the world about it right on apple podcast that purple icon give us five stars say something we don't care what you say honestly tell us what your best game of bowling in your entire life was you know someone you were five somebody took you bowling maybe you maybe your best games at 28 say that that's fine i bowled to 28 in 19 28 in 1997 when i was three that's fine we'll accept that we just helps drive us up the charts and we don't know why head over to shut up and give me

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sometimes six sometimes six you never know lots of good stuff last time for crime and sports we did the personal ads and uh we've just had some wild shit when you get small town murders as well and uh this time we are going to do prison teams teams when they've tried to do sport like organized sports in prison and you know not in a boring way we're going to talk about the crazy shit that happened because all the sometimes it's a bad idea right all the prisons that the whole nine yards no not the whole nine yards what No, not the whole nine yards. What are they? The longest yard. Shit like that. Not Bruce Willis. No, no, no. Not Damon Wayans.

Right. No, that's the last Boy Scout. Right. Totally different thing. The whole nine yards was Matthew Perry. Pollock? Yeah. Kevin Pollock, Matthew Perry, and Bruce Willis.

There it is. There we go. Give me the tulip. All these nines and tens. Too much shit in here. God damn it. So, yeah, you're going to get all that stuff, bonus stuff. And trust me when I tell you, our bonus shit is bumping.

It's so fun. Really fun. There's no parameters of what we can do. So we really try to give you a different experience. What it is is essentially an audible 28-foot buffet. That's what it is. 18 of it Chinese. 18 of that is going to be

Chinese, so I hope you like that. We skip the flexible snow crab and we just give you lots of orange chicken. You can find all of that and get all of that for your own personal use over at patreon.com slash crime and sports. Anybody over the $5 level,

thank you guys for what you've done for us there. It's amazing. If you just want to get a shout out from Jimmy and also be a producer and you know what feel good about yourself you're doing something you're listening to something and you're you know you're getting good karma here there's no chow mein in it no chow mein but that's okay that's alright there is

those little fluorescent red spare ribs which are delicious where can they do that they can do that over at PayPal using our email address crime and sports buffet and using our email address crime and sports at gmail.com crime and sports at lowmain.com so you can do that as well there that's our email and uh do that we we honestly can't tell you how much we appreciate what you do for us every goddamn week every day everything that you do thank you so much and with that said i think we need to thank these people formally jimmy yeah hit me with the names of the greatest fucking people on earth that

make this show wonderful i need to hear them this week's executive producers are christopher piper i think that's did i do that right i did michael pic Piccinetti. Michelle Wolford. I know. Fuck off an Italian name. I'm shocked. Knocked it out of the park. Mitchell. Is that Mitchell? Yeah, Mitchell Fisher.

Becca Beatty. David Jacobs. Laura Maloney, I think. Or Malone. JP Circa 3. I don't know what that means. Jen Cowherd. Chris Crow.

Caitlin Terwilliger. Chloe Ross. Natasha Harris. Holly B. Dylan Christian. Natasha Niazulka. cowherd chris crow caitlin ter willard to williger uh chloe ross natasha harris holly b dylan christian uh natasha nia zolka andrew wordner wordruger what did i do wordr i think wordr you know obviously uh tracy mitchell holly moore jackie sukup jordan bennett of course and jordan and her husband simon they're the best thank you guys so much for everything our canadian friends you're fucking much for everything you do for us. Our Canadian friends. You're fucking amazing.

Well, he's English, for Christ's sake. Yeah. But they live in Canada. Well, Jordan... Which is technically... Yeah, and Jordan still says he's never going to be Canadian, no matter how much he wants to be. Which, she's still technically British, isn't she then, I guess, if you're Canadian?

She's on your money, whatever that is. That's exactly right. And then, of course, Chrissy Ann Costaldi, who's been around for seven years with this shit you guys are the best thank you so much for everything you do truly from the bottom of our hearts other computers no contributors this week are shane steichleather i think uh michael begley caleb doherty megan uh whelp is that right christian self and ezio mario azio hey right k uh giles no that's not right is it right k giles i don't know cindy rodriguez sylvia in sylvan so what sylvan martel i think uh kyle gilbert danny marshall uh megan wakefield alex friedel friedel alexandria by beg samantha Alex Freidel, Alexandria Bybeg, Samantha Simons, Paul West, Kelvin Wildeman, Diane Carver, Martha Radley, Katie Swan, Rebecca Riley, Brady, Bridie, Corky, Cork, Kimberly, nope, Kimber Jones.

He's just making noises now. That's basically what a name is. A name's just making noise. Kimber Jones, also Kimberly with no last name John nope that's Joe Jones Jr. Jr. I don't I don't know not sure what it means perfect Michael Harvey uh Nikki Birchford bitch Birchfield Jordan Hall Tina Chris Troy Marshall Jocelyn Dolphin Kendall Kendall Pearl, Sebastian Bracamontes, Brandy Schloman, Dulce Hall, Sarah Ann Dos, D-O-S. That's Dos, right? Dos.

It's Spanish, too. Two. Adam Alexander, TJ Severn, Kyle Price, Brendan Stratton, Joey C. Young, Autumn Verschure, Karen Parker Holt, Robert with no last name stephanie aiken kaylin foley arkney what isaac that's it dan with no last name justin hofie for race for a c antley ferracci ferracci hey it's probably not yeah maybe though it sounds good i gave it a fucking every possible way you can read it. Shaw, Wyatt Routzen, Triana Kinson, Devin Ripley, Alexis Cornell Karate, Yvette with no last name, Gina Craig, Seth Lurd, Charlene Payne, Sarah Edgar, Mr. Asian to you, Gwen

Krause, Cameron Borick, Wendy Middleton of the obviously black and mild fortune. Yeah, clearly. Right. Mr. Asian to you. That's like a Yahoo screen name. Like caught on to catch a predator.

Carrie Ward, Aaron Graham, George Michael Reese Jr., Parker Satterfield, Alex Hayes, Hannah Cushing, Sarah Evers Stork,

Melanie Flynn, Jane Burns, Ashley Barrett, Caitlin Dunn, Audrey Murphy, Brittany Baker, Jennifer Caraga, Christian Lindman, Trevor Kuralt, Ryan Willis, Sabrina Martinez, Wesley Coast, Tracy Madison, Paul Powell, Stephanie Ewells, Caitlin Huffman, Bryant Sankerman. What is that? Sankerman? That's not right either. Cynthia with no last name. Other producers continuing are Hannah Weeks, Jamie Lynn Litton, Laura Lattner, Kelsey Moore, Keisha Tinsley, Adam, nope, that's Amy, Patterson. Cassandra Dodd. Tyler Bookie.

Stormy Williams. You know, obviously. Molly Guisto. What? Brandy Miller. Zoe Coleman. George Santos. Angie.

Angie. Not it. O'Brien. Yep. Angie O'Brien. That's not a name. Angie O'Brien. Right. Jennifer Berger.

Michelle Reese. Kennedy Morey. Imagine that was her name. What is it? She's like, it is. It's Angie Aubrey. What the fuck? You know anything?

How would he not know that? Wade Johnson, Kennedy Morey. I said that. Fiona Young, Cassie Hickey, Hilke. Hilke. Renee, what? Toporef? Toporef.

Yeah. Toporef? I don't know what I did. Markel Bagley. One of those. Ashley with no last name, Patrick Burns, MJ, Tori Ingram, what is that, Baina, Dana, Rudder, Todd Warnke, Sarah Knudsen, Alina Lorenz, Deanna, nope, Dina, Rod, rude, fuck. dude fuck uh amanda nichols nichols brock with no last name cameron grebe blue valentine valentine hannah just or jost uh i'm terrible with those and use amanda hirsch simonetta george polka slam uh mallory trius treist michelle barnes what is what is this chris sammons nope mary or organ orton grin shit she'd like us to sign her michelle cores or michael cores oh no the purse is Chris Sammons. Nope. Mary Oregon Orton Grin. Shit. She'd like us to sign her Michelle Kors

or Michael Kors. Oh, the purse. Holy Christ. His wife also makes handbags. Yeah, his wife makes great handbags. Julianne Pennington, Amanda Hamilton,

Megan Johnson, Kristen, what is this, Lillibo, Felicia Colbeth, Ruth Fox, Dave Grodkowski, Kelsey Turner, Frank Mihalik, Danielle with no last name, Jordan

Craggs, Maura Matvey, Brian Ford, Bailey Young, Sarah Iloilo, Matthew Roberts, Karen with no last name, D-minus, like my grade point average, Mark foster alissa alissa legherini uh david cornrow laura uh what is this arera stephanie kaiser amber with no last name jennifer webb nonny or arnold ugo oh no you what the there's no way i'm doing that right only yo kikua sorry yeah you go i'm piece of shit i'm sorry uh angel pippenich. Richard Rodarmer. David Dixon. Lam? Ian.

Fuck. Westcoft. Yep. Alicia O'Leary. Jace Kuhn. Emily Donaldson. Bryant Bryant. That is just not nice.

Angie Collins. Jade Daniels. Jane Rogers. Freddie Jones. Kathleen. Or Keefe, maybe. Could be Keith. Probably.

I don't know. Yeah, more common. Amina Sali. It's two S's. That's why I did that. Colin and Shannon Brower, Jonathan Wilder, Aaron Bolling, Doug Lewandowski, Jordan Rockefeller, God damn it, Heidi Monin. Piper V.

Noah Repond. Nicole Richardson. Nisa Eddings. Brian Lebeau. Quincy West. Caitlin Cameron. Austin Nearing. Tammy Anderson.

Daniel Subtienti. Nice. Nicely done, Jimmy. See, I'm going to encourage you. I'm really not appreciating the patronization. Is that how it is? That's not even a word, is it? Patronage.

That's what it is, I think. You are appreciating it. I appreciate that. You know what I mean. Brent Graham, Ronnie Sparkle. That's not right. It's Sprouse. Frankie McCallick.

I said that. Holly. That's Ronnie Sparkle from now on. I'm sorry, Ronnie. Look at Ronnie Sparkle from now on. I'm sorry, Ronnie. Look at Ronnie Sparkle over here. Ronnie Sparkle. Hey, Ronnie Sparkles. How you doing?

Holly Hatman. Steph with no last name. Petey Soto. Rebecca Pohl. Ivy Lopez. Andrew Wardrop. Thomas Smith. Jeremy Sterk.

Malachi Biffle. Lisa Partica. Amy with no last name. Rebecca Rose, DeLuca with no last name, Ben Tawiti, I hope that's Jeff's boy, that'd be amazing, Jennifer Gooch, Lisa Grave Gingerich, Kiar with no last name, James Martyr, Cody Ennis, Blake Cox, Christy Clifford, Paula Petner, Ashley with no last name, Lisa Ward, Liz Vasquez, Nathan Kurfus, Jessica Teague, Katie Doherty, Alexis Murphy, Peyton Meadows, Monica, what the, Nawaka?

No. Anna Lahazy? Lahale? I don't know what that is. Michael Hurd, Latasha Campbell, Xavier Perry, Selena Schmitka, Melissa Atchison, Ross Sparks, Cameron Kuchwara, Isabel with no last name, Jessica Walker, Lisa Marie Jacobs, Mandy Knight, Jade Abuchin, Abuchin, Abuchin. That's what they say in Street Fighter.

Fucking Ryu. Abuchin. What do we got here? Gavin King, Kieron, Lee Christie, Loafer, Tara Krogan, Jennifer Nipps-Stevens. What? It's because we said Jennifer's could go by Nipps. Remember? That's right.

That's what that... I got it. That was a deep cut. Nice job. She went hard. Good for you, Jen. Damn. Love it.

Madison with no last name. Kim with no last name. Marianne McMillan, Joey Piaschek. What? Dakota Harrington, Sarah Crawford, Brenda Jacquet, Aaron V., Tamarin and Damian Terra. Terra, what? That is too many A's and three names. Sats. Destiny Jones. Tamara Nelson. Ben Story. Bob Vickers. Laura Goff. Stephanie Peterson.

Amanda Gillis. Goatee Day. What? You put a one in here and you want me to? How dare you? You can't mix numbers in there. It throws them all off. L1 UVA. That sounds gross.

Joke with no last name, which is great. Lillian Hempel Esposito. Scott Osborne. Sarah Surridge. Happy birthday, Stacey Rae Boardman. Janice Hill. Courtney Booker. Nick and Natasha Lukich.

Mona McClain. Happy anniversary, obviously. Cricket and Leiden. Hilliard, obviously. I don't know why that's obvious. Janice Hill. Happy birthday, Kaylee. Jesus Christ.

Get your shit together. Obviously. Everybody. David Braden. Fabian's obvious. Janice Hill. Happy birthday, Kaylee. You should know that, people. Jesus Christ. Get your shit together. Obviously. Everybody. David Braden. Fabian Brosens. Brojans. I think that's a J. It's probably not.

I'm ruining everything all day. Mona McCain. Holiday. Erin Holiday. Delia Hunt. Wub. What? Wub Deez.

You Wub Deez. Wub Deez. Sarah G. Austin Strickland. Nancy Dahl, Rice Melstober, Muso Shea died. He was a pup. And, uh, uh, Ryanette Gadzook is fucking broke up about it. I'm really sorry, Ryanette. Hang in there.

Sorry about that. Uh, Katie Delisante wrote a nice email. Kristen Solosinski, Tiffany Capozzi, James Graben, I think. Melanie Flynn, Calvin Jones. i think i said david brigham uh home stretch god damn it unique consultant peter croft courtney marshall hannah simmons ashley vo spencer ludman uh theo vaughn's uh mullet and uh ray portillo had a birthday last month and i fucking blew it and missed it. Also, John Harris. I had a beer with him up in Indianapolis.

He had a birthday, and his wife wanted me to remind him that he had a birthday. I think that's it. Let me make sure I got one last note. And, yep, that's it. Cody and Casey had an anniversary. The Ennises, congratulations. Happy anniversary. Thank you all for everything you do.

Thank you, truly. Thank you, thank you truly thank you thank you thank you everybody so much for all of your contributions me and jimmy we're going to go to a 28 foot buffet tonight and really get it on i count my buffet and feet from now on i'm going to bring a measuring tape with me in foot and feet and go out and go that's 22 for fuck this place and we leave measuring tape 22 foot what the hell is this a county fair kind of a pussy ass fucking place is this fucking rip off man so that's uh thank you though for everything you do for us you guys are amazing you really are this this boat doesn't float without you and it's really it's really amazing what you guys and you've calmed waters and changed lives and it's it's fucking incredible i sinks harder than nate driggers basketball career otherwise so thank you guys we're gonna be selling counterfeit jordans

without you we really appreciate you what if they wanted to appreciate you jimmy how could they find me on uh counterfeit jordans.com i'm at wismansucks where do they find you? I am at jimmyp is funny just copy and paste my name it's probably fucking easier for you I don't know keep an eye on all your labels and make sure your Jordans are real

you can tell them when they're fake they're pretty obvious and you can google how to find that out they give you the fucking codes and everything

look at the bottoms you can tell right away the bottoms look awful the sole is shit if it says if it says Adidas on the sole not a jordan bad sign there so yeah it's not good it's not good so with that said everybody heads up and beware and live from the crime and sports studios we will see you next week Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Crime and Sports early and ad-free on Amazon Music.

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