Crime in Sports - #228 - Attack Of The Circus Penis - The Exposedness of Kellen Winslow Jr

Episode Date: October 6, 2020

This week, we visit one of the most requested stories out there. His father was a Hall of Famer in the NFL, and he followed in his dad's footsteps into the league, even the same position. Though his playing career wasn't as good as Dad, his crime career is certainly as prolific as anyone in sports history. Let's just say that he liked to "show off", but that isn't all... He also commits some of the most horrific crimes we've ever covered. This one is a bit gross! Follow your father's lead into the NFL, have your teammates grossed out by your constant pornography watching, and be lucky that you're not going to prison for life with Kellen Winslow Jr!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder#  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Kellen Winslow Jr. You winslow junior of course he is and he tries to do the two sometimes but no he's a fucking junior he tried to pass it off as a second sometimes sometimes it's second sometimes it's junior but he's a junior his father is senior he's junior first middle and last name are the same yeah fucking junior chief sorry don't care if the second sounds more you know know, I don't know. I didn't find out he was a junior until he was arrested. Really? I didn't ever see them put junior or two on a jersey or even say when they said his name during games.

I don't remember them ever mentioning junior. His dad was such a great player that I think it's just assumed maybe. I don't know. His dad's a Hall of Fame tight end. So, I mean, he comes up playing the same position. And, yeah, he's Kellen Boswell Jr. Boswell Winslow Jr. Was that because of the Bos?

No. Wait, no. Obviously. His dad's middle name is Boswell. He was born in, like, 1950. His dad's middle name is Boswell. Yeah, they're both middle names. Kellen Boswell Winslow.

That's a ridiculous middle name. It's silly, isn't it? It's kind of especially if you add the second to that. If you say Kellen Boswell Winslow the second, you need an Esquire or something of that nature afterwards. A doctor or something. But if you see this guy, just Kellen Winslow, you find out what a fucking idiot he is and let's do it. So he's born July 21st, 1983. So he's a younger guy.

Much younger than me. Younger than us. And he's also, he's grosser than us, too. He's born in San Diego and he grows up his whole life in San Diego because his dad played for the Chargers his entire career okay his dad play his dad was a great player his dad played from 79 to 87 for the Chargers and he was awesome he had three years of over a thousand yard yards of receiving yeah he led the league in receptions two years in a row in 80 and 81 he was an all pro three times a pro bowler five times I'd never leave that town either that's what I'm saying.

I love you. He played the whole time there and he's a Hall of Famer too. So his dad, I mean, if your dad's a Hall of Famer in that town, yeah, you're going to get treated well. In eight years, he made the fucking Hall of Fame by being just the greatest thing. Yeah. Nine seasons. Yeah.

Is that nine? Nine seasons. 78 to 87. 79, 8, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Yeah. It's nine seasons. And 79 too. 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 oh yeah it's nine seasons 79 yeah and 79 and 87 nine seasons but um for a tight end that's a lot of time yeah that's especially back then yeah you know before hgh guys didn't before all this back then there was steroids like just jam testosterone into you and vitamins there was really very little in between. Also, violence. Yeah.

Football was actually a rough sport to play then. Oh, and especially for a receiver. Right. If a receiver goes in a tight end, if you go over the middle and jump up for a ball, they were allowed to hit you in the fucking air. Right. That was like... And that's where the tight end plays.

Look up Lin... He's not a tight end, but look up Lin Swan highlights, and they're all him jumping up for balls and guys hitting him in the legs and him helicoptering to the fucking turf right to the hard 70s astro turf and then getting up and walking away you're like oh my god that would have killed me right like but that was allowed back then so your receivers had a shorter lifespan now receivers could larry fitzgerald's like was he 57 years old i think i think he said he said he was just gonna play until he decided to get a social security i feel like at this point that's what he's doing i think he's

actually going back to college to uh get his master's now yeah and play a few more years and then could get redrafted i think is they could just play forever they never get hit anymore yeah they really don't you're not allowed to hit a receiver then he's gonna get his phd yeah if you if you're not allowed to hit him until he like has chance to not let you hit him, like come down with the ball, then the only way a receiver would ever get hit hard is if he was running down the field while another man's running at him full speed and he doesn't see him and lets him hit him. That's the only other fucking time it would happen. Or if they just play chicken and see who is standing after the hit. Maybe, yeah. Which is not a thing. That usually doesn't happen. Someone's going out of bounds.

So his parents were were not he wasn't born into a happy home put it that way really his father had just filed for divorce from his mother and they were in the middle of a nasty divorce when he was born so that's not a good that's just not good i mean you don't want to have a kid in the middle of your divorce that's just going to add more paperwork i feel like to the whole proceeding so there was all sorts of allegations back and forth his mom katrina accused kellen senior of assaulting her on one occasion and uh they there were court issued mutual restraining orders sweet it was ugly it was very very ugly and um yeah he had a son kellen senior here had a son with another woman also three and a half months before Kellen was born.

Oh, no. Another child was born, not from this woman, obviously. Yeah, I figure that's probably the start of the divorce. That's going to get contentious. If you had that sort of thing and a divorce and hormones and cheating, I mean, he's lucky she didn't kill him. He kind of deserved it at that point. I'm surprised. Everyone went everyone who went jesus you asked for that one asshole no amount of beautiful san diego is gonna quell those fights no that's rough let's just go out to the beach and look at the sunset fuck you fuck your sunset and fuck dan fouts fuck his fat bearded ass i don't care anymore i fucking had it i've had it with you so uh as

junior here kellen junior was growing up kellen senior kind of made him play other sports as well not just concentrate on football basically don't just be what i do because kellen junior obviously was very much into football his dad played for the goddamn chargers and he's everything that matters about san diego that's what i mean his mom said he used to like you know put his dad's charger helmet on yeah and line up his stuffed animals and you know like tackle them all basically bust through the line when he was three years old yeah just jump on all the stuffed animals that was his his line here so finally uh he made him do a bunch of other shit made him play basketball his kellen senior and junior both six five they're both big guys too so very large people

kellen senior's a little slimmer than junior junior's a big kind of a muscle guy yeah he's more of a muscle guy which again different science involved there so uh finally though in high school he let him play football knowing that you know obviously what coach wasn't going to try to get him on the team if nothing else you're at least getting looked at always you're six five two hundred something pounds and your dad's a hall of fame tight end maybe try it just give it a shot you might be good at it you know so finally he lets him play football a little bit here and uh his dad is also in addition to being in the nfl hall of fame he is in our hall of fame for silver-haired middle-aged white men

kelvin winslow silver never mind senior kellen winslow silver is his fucking name this guy he is the like he he's gonna win the golden gilretha put it that way we've never had a dad win the golden gilretha he's gonna win it this never had a dad win the golden gilretha he's gonna win it this year in the scummy awards he's a he is the we have two nominees this year actually three because he's up for scumbag of the year right so between him and his dad and then his mom later too stop it is oh no and the wife. We could have four nominees this week in this episode. This is going to be a watershed episode here. How do you do it? How do you muster the words?

Oh, boy, does he muster. Stop it. His dad has no shame in defending him forever. And I'm talking about through the worst of allegations. If you don't know this story, please don't Google it. Just listen, because it's disgusting. please don't google it yeah just listen because it's disgusting so anyway uh he goes to patrick henry high school in san diego for his freshman and sophomore years yeah and then he transfers to scripps ranch high school sounds very san diego it does scripps ranch the upscale list of san diego

yeah it sounds like it's on a cliff yeah like where do you go to high school scripps ranch it's like what like when we were trying remember when we were driving you know exactly what i'm talking about too and we were driving that time when we drove to see oj's house we were driving around in la waiting to do something oh that school we saw that school of pacific palisades and we're like that's a fucking school no it is no unbelievable no you have to earn going there during the day. You don't just, you're forced, you have to do it. Fuck you. Are you kidding me?

It was this beautiful school that overlooked the ocean, the fucking ocean. The football stadium overlooked the ocean. You could kick the ball in the Pacific. It's crazy. Oh, it bounced. Fuck, it's in the ocean. Well, the current's taking it now. That's how crazy this was.

Another ball, ref. Yeah. Don't worry, worry we have plenty how could you have any ambition high school is that's it i just want to stay here forever man it was unbelievable if they make me graduate i'll just get a job here bro it's beautiful like just fucking i'm just gonna sweep and so sick look at the sunset man it's just pretty it's was ridiculous that's what this sounds like didn't jay moore say he coaches there or like he has something to do with something i think he does because he said he had to go over to the school later this week oh jesus i think he has something to do with their sports program fucking find it motherfucker he could fucking find it it was haze so or find the fucking the wherewithal to actually desire to leave such an amazing neighborhood.

Yeah, that's the other thing. What the fuck? Ridiculous. I don't know how anybody that's successful that lives there goes and continues to be successful somewhere else. Why? That's the thing. Jerry Seinfeld, he's been saying this for 40 years, that you can't be funny at the beach. He's like, no, there's no funny people from the beach. You've done it.

It's just, what is there to be upset about? There's no rancor. There's no anything. from the beach. You've done it. It's just what is there to be upset about? What is it? There's no rancor. There's no anything. Nothing even smells bad. No funny people come from tight places. We closed in with a lot of people in the house and arguing and things. And that's when your brain works.

Otherwise, you're just like, yeah, this is nice. Why would you be funny? There's no reason to be funny. You're funny in reaction to stuff you don't like. Not fucking. This is beautiful, man. I i'm gonna make jokes about how pretty this is right we make jokes about stupid what am i gonna be mad at yeah so this school notable alumni he's the only nfl player that's ever went to this school so i thought when he transferred i'm like oh he must be transferring to like a football powerhouse like high school but not at all they've never he's the only nfl player ever want to make it as easy as possible for him apparently a few other adrian brody is the class of 1998 from here yeah they went to school together

they were uh he's class of 2001 kellen winslow so he went to school he went to school oh no they just missed him he came in and his yeah he would have just missed adrian brody um let's see here kyle mooney who's a saturday night live cast member that's great he was uh graduated 2003 really he would have went to school with him here and kyle's got a great uh a great bit that's on youtube about uh being bad at comedy and he's amazing at it he's amazing at being terrible at comedy. That's funny. I don't know much about him. I love him. Nicole Ossinger was on the 2016 Olympic trampoline gymnastics team.

What? I hope she does something bad because I want to talk about that. That would be a hilarious episode. Trampoline gymnastics. Stop it. I swear to God, she's on the team. She was on the team. It's in the Olympics?

As of 2016, at least it was. You god she's on the team she was on the team in the olympics as of 2016 at least it was you bounce best trampoline gymnastics i don't know if it's like choreographed like swimming do they synchronize themselves i don't know how the fuck it works i hate that more than anything it sounds nuts and uh so kellen is a great high school player i mean in high school he's just physically it's ridiculous he's a grown giant man with nfl genetics yeah who's just dominating other children at this point so he's gonna go to college and he's being recruited by pretty much he can go wherever he wants to go to college i mean not only the pedigree of being second generation nfl or second generation player is so big with these guys too it's so big because they know that you understand things.

You understand what it's like. You understand what the practices are going to be like. You're not going to get there and freak out and go, this is too much work. And you're, you're, you're, you know,

it's, that's why Eli and Peyton Manning were such so highly touted. Anybody's kid is gets a little extra boost. Like wrestling is the same thing in wrestling. It's second generation guys. Yeah. They know what it it's like so immediately that's half the battle yeah is being able to handle shit in that i don't like uh the force of trying to make especially when somebody's a hall of famer and somebody's really good i don't like pushing their kid to to do it also because they're never going to live up to the hype no matter what they do no and that's the

thing with this too that's why his dad said he encouraged him to do other shit to see if you know he has anything else interested in him but all he wanted to do was football i mean he grew around up around football i would too i'd want it if my dad played for an nfl team and i grew up like going to the stadium and shit i'd want to do that too that's what i would think that's some expectation of at least yeah doing okay i would think that's normal like oh that's what you do then you just go play there i want to work where my dad works you know one of those things so um he said that he he was all set to sign the night before the intent day letter of intent day for colleges he was going to go to the university of washington but he was 17

at the time when he graduated so his dad had to sign for his intent letter with him. He had to as a guardian and his father refused to sign it. He didn't wouldn't let him go to Washington. Where's he will make him. So he says he encouraged him to go to Michigan State where they had a black head coach and a black athletic director. And he said because he went to Missouri, I want to say his dad. So he just said that you want a school that understands who you are and you want a school with some black faculty as far as far as the coaching and all

that sort of shit that's cool as shit well yeah that makes sense um so he they kind of made a they made a kind of a compromise on the whole thing he didn't want to go to michigan he wouldn't let him go to uh didn't want to go to michigan state wouldn't let him go to washington so they choose the university of miami really instead uh yeah because uh uh his position coach curtis johnson was one of three black assistants on the staff so he said okay you can go there kellen senior says what type of father would i be to know what i know to go through what i've gone through and not discuss these things with my child i I'd be the worst father in the world. Race is an important issue in this country, and you're almost burying your head in the sand if you don't talk to your children about it.

It's denial. So, I mean, that makes sense. He went through. He did it. So that's why he's saying it makes sense. So they argued about it. And then finally, I guess when they're younger than 21, you have to have your legal guardian sign the letter of intent, which is weird. What?

Even if you're over 18, which makes no sense. So that means every college kid has to have their parents do it? Apparently. I guess so. I don't understand how that is. You're 18. You can enter into legal contracts at 18. I guess not all legal contracts, but apparently not that one.

You can die for your country. I guess so. You can do that. You can can vote you can do a lot of things wild so um yeah the kellen jr said quote he wasn't going to sign the papers and i asked why why this why that you have to let me go this is my decision it isn't your decision and he said i know it's your decision but you're still immature about this and you don't know what's going to happen at washington i don't trust them so uh didn't trust him they went to miami now miami uh before he gets there though he has a little bit of an issue um where he gets in a big old brawl um of course in san diego oh yeah in san diego

ends up breaking a young man's jaw a much smaller man's jaw mind mind you. Yeah. So it apparently was on May 2nd of 2001. There was a brawl taking place among approximately 15 teenagers. So that's a full-fledged brawl. That's a brawl. By the time the police there, people were dispersing, but they did find 18-year-old Ahmed Habib on the ground bleeding from his face. Yeah, this is dad's problem, too, by the way. Yeah, well, we'll find out about that so that he was taken to a hospital he's got a broken jaw and

a bunch of other fucking injuries uh over a hundred something thousand dollars worth of medical bills to put his face back together not good his attorney here habib's attorney frank shank shank uh he was talking about the injuries here and uh now the police haven't made any arrests during this because the they got there at the end but it seemed like uh they said they weren't going to file charges there was 15 kids and it seemed like what they called mutual combat seemed like all these kids wanted to fight yeah so they were all fighting and that was that at this time and they met him in other words it seems like we don't want to sort all that out yeah there's 15 kids we weren't there we can't trust what any of them say what the fuck are we

supposed to do start charging 15 kids for assault on each other let's just say never mind yeah so for we have somebody with bad face laceration that's the problem he's uh kellen is six foot five he's about 230 pounds at this point he's dangerous the kid he he beat up is 5 10 160 so i mean that's a very that's not even fair i mean that's yeah you don't like as a bigger person you don't fight people smaller like that much smaller than you you just say no i give omad a shitload of credit that is balls to stand up and take a shot from him well i mean he took more than that so apparently he not he got knocked down broke him broke his jaw apparently he uh this was kellen was kicking him while he was on the kicking him in the face while he was on the

ground and uh broke his jaw injured his right eye socket and all this other shit so uh the guy habib decides that he's going to file a three million dollar lawsuit against this man and also named is kellen winslow senior is named in the lawsuit as well because he's got the money and also kellen was only 17 at the time he says responsibility that's the way that goes and so the attorney for mr habib said that uh you know there was a lot of students there that and that's what basically kellen winslow's attorney was trying to you know, there was a lot of students there. And that's what basically Kellen Winslow's attorney was trying to say, like, oh, there's a lot of kids there. I mean, who knows what happened to him?

But like everybody said, oh, no, he kicked him in the face. Like it wasn't even his own friends were saying that. What does Silver Dad say? What does Kellen Winslow Silver say? Yeah. He says, quote, I told him he needs to concentrate on college and that things will be dealt with at home. I said, that's why you have a father. And that's why he went to law school as his dad went to law school later on

so he said i'll take care of it son just really not i told him not to fucking do stupid shit i told him i'll take care of it you uh you have enough pressure what a thing that's silver man would your dad do that no my dad would have went that's fucking stupid yeah how stupid are you he would have told everybody how stupid i am he would have said my son's an idiot i don't know what the fuck he was thinking he's got a huge future ahead of him he signed in this big college he could be in the nfl and he's out fucking kicking tiny people in the face what's wrong with this asshole fighting kids that are 5 10 yeah uh that have nothing yeah and then he'd talk about how

he fought me afterwards don't worry i took care of it i broke his jaw yeah i got that there so he ended up going to the university of san diego law school the father but didn't doesn't practice law and i don't think had a license to practice law he just went to law school just to know his rights yeah he said quote i have not been served with the lawsuit papers yet here. I've been on the road in and out for a month and a half. I cannot comment about what I do not know about. But he does say that there are still a bunch of discrepancies about what happened. He said that he was going to he says that his son was going to the aid of someone else.

This is when he was attacked. He was just being a good Samaritan. He said that the kid, the kid hit him. The Habib kid hit him. And Kellen was just defending himself. He could have picked him up and shoved him across the. Like, I remember once, and this is showing how long ago this was. When I was a teenager, we were in Blockbuster Video.

I was with my friend. Yeah. And he's a tiny kid. I remember he used to wrestle in high school. He wrestled at 110 pounds. He's 5'3". And for some reason, we got in an argument, and I think maybe he had had a couple, and he wanted to fight me in Blockbuster Video. And I remember just going, I'm not going to beat you up in Blockbuster Video. You are too small to fight me.

You know what I mean? If I beat you up and a cop shows up i look terrible i look like i just beat up a child every time i'm huge and you're tiny so we can't do this at all and that's the situation no matter what happens you got to be like listen motherfucker i will mush you away i'll bitch slap you but i'm not gonna fucking actually hurt you right you know that's all you can do so you pushed him over the sleepless in seattle that's it so well we went right over the uh the comedy tapes section there yeah there was just you know uh deaf comedy jam all over the place all over the floor robin williams live from san francisco spread out george carlin's fucking yeah it's everywhere man it's all over the place so he

claims he was just defending himself yeah while he kicked a man in the face on the ground. That's how you defend yourself, apparently. Yeah, that's the thing. And he also says that the kid's fine, even though he was in the hospital for two days. His father here, Winslow Senior Silver, sorry. He says the kid was later at his high school graduation and he came off the stage celebrating. I'm happy to know he's OK in that sense. He's trying to say he's not even hurt.

I don't know how long later that was. Winslow Sr. also said that his son was protecting Gabe Sayers, who is the nephew of Gail Sayers, Hall of Fame Bears running back. So all the youngsters hang out together. Yes, and Winslow Sr. is uh oh no i'm sorry gail sayers is junior's godparents godfather so they're all the boys are real close they're close and winslow silver says quote kellen looked at gabe like a little brother kellen had his cell phone somebody called him and told him that gabe was being jumped on so kellen went to get his

little went uh to get his little brother and get and got involved kellen told me i was trying to get gabe and he talking about habib started wailing on me uh kellen's a good kid this is the first time he's ever been in trouble first time he's ever been caught for being in trouble um he says that uh and then so the first of all you know this kid starts wailing on him. So you're 5'10", you're 160. You're going to go 6'5", 240. I'm going to start fucking hitting that guy.

Yeah. The other question is he had a cell phone on him, so he showed up to his aid. How fucking close were you? Because usually a fight would be over by the time. Yeah. It's not like a brawl goes on for. I hope it's still going on, this brawl. We got caught in traffic. Yeah. It's been 20 minutes brawl goes on for... I hope it's still going on, this brawl. It's got caught in traffic.

It's been 20 minutes. It might be something. The coach of Miami here, Coker, he says, quote, I've talked to Kellen and I've talked to his father. His father didn't seem to be concerned at all. I think Kellen's a little bit concerned. You just don't want things like that out there. It's an unfortunate situation, but something has to be dealt with. It's something he has to deal with yeah in other words we're not getting involved it's not my issue silver hope he catches balls he's not mine yet it's all i care about yeah um

so winslow jr he declined comment but they blamed habib through his attorney his attorney said that quote a gang of his thug friends oh my a gang of his thug friends habib we're talking about um who who uh attacked gabriel sayers and so you know good god what are you gonna do what are you gonna what are you supposed to do drop some lugs on people's faces that's it um so they said that now the lawyer for habib says that it was the fight started in a it was a racially motivated brawl apparently yeah there was some there was some uh this is you got to remember too 2000 this is 2001 okay but may of 2001 so you know whatever but hasn't been if this was six months later you'd understand you'd not understand but you'd know exactly what fucking happened if you said it's a racial thing

but i don't know who said what to who but apparently there was a some sort of cultural struggle here that went on between these two groups and uh yeah causing a kick to the face and some broken jaw here so that's all fine that gets dealt with it ends up being dealt with out of uh being settled out of court not no terms disclosed uh they just found out that i think it was 140 000 worth of medical bills the kid had so i wonder how much it was james it was probably a million dollars or something i bet it was something or half a million some decent number i'm sure generally three times the uh uh medical yeah bills that would make sense and that's pain and suffering so then you add in the bills i'll bet it was five maybe a million maybe $600,000, $1 million maybe. Yeah, just for the NFL factor.

Right. Throw in an extra half a million. Yeah, and then make it go away. Then it's gone. Well, that's what it was because he had to get playing football here because he was with the 2001 Miami Hurricanes who go 12-0. Is that right? Yeah, they were national champions that year.

Not bad at all, Larry. It was here, yes? This is the Rose Bowl one the fiesta bowl one didn't they lose that game that was when mcgay right his knee out you're right i watched that uh i remember watching that so uh anyway they do really well this year obviously they go all the way to beat the uh beat nebraska in the rose bowl 37 to 14 this is the ken dorsey miami team a stomping yeah jesus this. This was Ken Dorsey. Clinton.

Listen to their running backs. Okay. This is crazy. Clinton Portis. Right. Willis McGahee. Oh, my. Frank Gore.

Sweet. Jesus. Those are their running backs. All three starters. All three are Pro Bowl NFL starters. Unbelievable. To have all three of those guys, just which one do you want to put in? And they're different, too.

You got Gore. He'll pound you. Portis will dance. You gotcgahee who's like a mix of the both yep like it's someone like they were building like almost like they were creating players for their madden team and they're like i need a back like this in the back like that yeah clinton portis was the starter he had 1200 yards that year an average 5.5 a carry he was crushing it he did that shit in the nfl too yeah well frank gore uh had 62 rushes that year so he was a younger guy he averaged 9.1 yards a rush he had 62 rushes for 562 yards do you know how ridiculous it is to average 9.1 yards a rush wow for 60 something rushes near first down every time that's yeah. Unreal. And they had, what's his name, Najeeh Davenport, too.

Really? Yeah, they had him, too. What the fuck? Just keep him. How did they do that? I don't know. They had Jarrett Payton. They had fucking, this is wild.

They had Jeremy Shockey, who was, Winslow was backing up Jeremy Shockey. This is an unfair team. This is just an NFL team. Obviously, they were going to win. Clearly, this is not going to be easy here. So, during his freshman season he's backing up jeremy shocky which who's an all-american and you know first round draft pick the next year he's basically a special teamer this year for kellen but he's a true he's only one

of four true freshmen to play on the team that year it's awesome normally guys are redshirted because they're not physically ready but he's six 6'5", 230. So they're like, get out there, motherfucker. Do it. So, yeah, they go all the way. Like we said, Antrell Roll was on this team. Sean Taylor's on this team. Their defense is insane, too. It's just an NFL team.

What the fuck? That's why there's no shock that they crushed Nebraska there. He only has two receptions this year for 37 yards or 34 yards. So, you know, he's averaging 17 yards a grab he's behind jeremy shocky for fuck's sake what's he gonna do so 2002 comes around they go 12 and 1 this year they are second because this is the year they lose the national championship game to ohio state it's 31 24 this was the saddest thing because willis mcgahee was a lock top five draft pick yeah and this was his last college game in the national championship.

And in the second half of the fucking game, he blows his knee out. And you saw it. And he was just on the ground. You could just see him being like millions. Yeah. Watching it just fly out of the stadium. He's insured. And he's going to be a millionaire no matter what.

Even if he never played in the NFL, he'd be a millionaire. Because those guys are all insured, those first round draft picks. But not to the extent of what he would have got to be a top five pick. even if he never played in the nfl he'd be a millionaire because those guys are all insured those first round draft picks but not to the extent of what he would have got to be a top double what he made yeah and who knows he had a great career but who knows what his career would have been right if he didn't blow his knee out right then he actually played for quite a few years in comparison to what he should have oh yeah his knee came back fine but it was just sad because you just know he just went yeah you just saw him plummeting saw everybody take him off their draft board yeah immediately not him it's like fuck so taylor swift is soaring high her every move captured in the news cycle and devoured by her

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57 receptions. So he crushed it. He came in and they said, Jeremy Shockey, who? Yeah, like he really was great. His best game was during the Fiesta Bowl, where he caught 11 passes for 122 yards and a touchdown. Awesome. Which is dominating, and they lost that game, obviously. Oh, never mind.

Go on. Keep going. It's all right. I was going to ask a dumb question. What's that? I was just going to ask you if Aaron Hernandez played here, but he played for the Gators. He played for the Gators, yeah.

I was wondering if he came in after this, but listen, it's Florida. It's Florida. It's all the same swamp. Don't worry about it. They were bitten by the same mosquitoes who fucking cares so he has 57 receptions for 726 yards and eight touchdowns this year so pretty god damn good for a college tight end absolutely tight ends aren't used that much in college so you either go over the top or you're a running team or whatever but you don't see a lot of like tight ends or an NFL thing.

It's a safe game with the tight end where you do your check downs and you get your tight end. Yeah, first down. Yeah, over the middle. There's eight yards over here off on the sideline. Exactly. So 2003 Miami, they go 11-2 this year. They finish fifth overall. And they beat Florida State in the Orange Bowl 16-14 that year.

He doesn't have quite as good of a year, but he still has a great year. Not numbers-wise, not quite as good here. But he catches 60 passes for 605 yards. He wins the John Mackey Award as the best tight end in college. He's a unanimous first-team All-American. He's just the best tight end in college. If you need a tight end, this is your guy here. He receives first-team honors from the Associated Press for his All-American

and everything else. Just every award you can think of. He had no chance at the Heisman because that just doesn't go to tight ends. I don't know what you'd have to do as a tight end. That's just receivers, running backs, and quarterbacks. It's mainly running backs and quarterbacks, pretty much. Because even a receiver, they tend to look at as well if the quarterback didn't get him the ball,

whereas a running back kind of does it, and a quarterback does it, I guess. It seems to be the way they look at it. Fucks the linemen. Yeah, I would say. Fucks them, fucks the defenders. Very few Heisman-winning defenders. Very few.

So then it comes, there's a game in 2003 against Tennessee Fucks them, fucks the defenders. Very few Heisman-winning defenders. Very few. So then it comes. There's a game in 2003 against Tennessee where they beat Miami that game. And I guess during that play, there was a sweet play. Devin Hester was on that team, the amazing kick returner for the Bears there. Best ever. So good. Winslow was blocked by two tennessee people and uh basically he they talked about that at the end that he was taking up two blockers and all that shit so he was told he was

asked about that afterwards in the in the locker room keep in mind this is 2003 there are not one but two wars happening in this country at the time. And they asked him, hey, you did great out there taking out two blockers. And he said, maybe the dumbest fucking thing ever. Let's give them an in their own words. This is so stupid. He needs an in their own words. Keep in mind the time. Two wars.

This is not great. Okay. In their own words, quote, it's war. They're out there to kill you. So I'm out there to kill them. We don't care about anybody but this you. They're going after my legs. I'm going to come right back at them.

I'm a soldier. No, he said, I'm a fucking soldier. Excuse me. And Pat Tillman was just killed. Two wars are happening. I'm a soldier. And they're like, you're a spoiled college kid whose dad played in the nfl motherfucker your dad's a hall of famer your dad pays your lawsuits

off that's how fucking spoiled you are what are you talking about holy how fucking dare you say that how toned up fucking deserts places dying and you're over there i'm a soldier well you're gonna go get pussy after the game. What are you talking about? Jesus Christ. They should have taken him and just dropped him right off in the middle of Fallujah. In his Miami uniform.

Can you go save the world, soldier? Hey, we got a soldier for you. Just drop him in there. Shoulder pads still on with a fucking parachute and a gun, sweat, eye black and everything going. What? Let's go, soldier. They're that way, motherfucker.

They're going to take your legs out. Yeah, they're looking for more than that. You know what else takes your legs out? IEDs. They're going to take your legs off. Yeah. That's the thing. He didn't say they're trying to take my legs off.

That would be a different game. Then you could say you're a soldier. Until then, shut the fuck up. What a dummy. That would be a different game. Then you could say you're a soldier. Until then, shut the fuck up. What a dummy. That's maybe the dumbest thing a person could say. In a time, maybe patriotism was maybe at an all-time high for America, at least for the past 30 years. Yeah.

I mean, people were, there was a lot of anti-worship, but nobody was anti-soldiers, like being in wars. If anything, if you were pro- being in wars of anything if you were you know pro-war you support of your anti-war you felt bad they had to go fight but either way you weren't like yeah fuck them like he's an idiot he's getting a free college ride yeah so soldier this obviously was a bit of a kerfuffle for him uh didn't look good so he needed to apologize for his comments and he releases this statement through the university that he absolutely didn't write 100 the university pr person said you're releasing a statement saying this please you stupid fuck jesus christ quote after speaking with the press i immediately regretted my comments and felt embarrassed for my

family my team the the University of Miami. They made sure to put that in there. Our fans, alumni, and myself. There was a janitor that used to work here in 87. I feel terrible for him. You know, I feel sorry for drug lords that use Miami as a go-between. Yeah, all those kids out there with big puffy Miami jackets. I feel bad for them.

All those 90s kids with the starter jackets back in the day i feel bad for the rock i feel bad for the color orange and green sorry rock man duane johnson my bad brother i know i'm ruining your reputation too i just feel terrible al pacino and all his friends and family everybody brian de palma you know michelle pfeiffer i'm sorry i just wanted to tell everybody anybody had anything to do with this fucking city very sorry apologize fat joe everybody yahweh ben yahweh and fucking robert rogier them i apologize to you de Dexter, I'm sorry. If Pitbull, when he gets a career, can ever forgive me, I'd appreciate it. Apologize to Dexter, the entire Miami crime scene unit team, just everybody. And also the breed of dogs, Pitbulls, I'm really sorry.

I'm sorry to them, too, because I don't want to offend them because I've really made an ass of myself. And DMX seems to like them. I'm sorry, too. Oh, God. He says, what I have learned from this experience is to take my triumphs and failures in stride. You said something dumb. Yeah.

Nothing happened to you. He acts like something happened to you. You said a stupid thing of your complete own volition. Fuck, my outburst should in no shape or form be a reflection on this institution or the Miami football program. Have I mentioned they're not OK with what I said? Coach is really pissed. I'm just everybody's upset. Like, it's bad.

I got old people who went here 40 years ago calling me like this is fucked up. They gave him my number. It's bad. It's bad. I haven't even gotten my check this week. That's how bad it is. They're that mad at me. I haven't gotten my check.

Yeah, I didn't pay my mom's mortgage payment. I'm really, it's a problem. So he says, as for my reference to being a soldier in war, I meant no disrespect to the men and women who have served or are currently serving in the armed forces. I cannot begin to imagine the magnitude of war or its consequences. Yeah, you can't. That's the thing. There's no way to for you because you're a football player. Also in world that's barely post 9-11 i'm a dipshit i'm a complete dipshit

i'm just two years removed it's not good so the buildings are still on fire man they're still sifting rubble right this is not a good look for you to say that shit wow it's man if they're gonna treat me like a building that you're gonna fly a plane into man i'm gonna have to fucking fight back that's all it is because i'm a soldier it's in war god damn it they're gonna come at me like up in my 104th floor like what the fuck am i supposed to do what the fuck is wrong with this guy they hit me in the 104th right around the 70th. Yo, works right there. Bang, bang.

Gonna hit me in my Goldman Sachs. What am I supposed to do about that shit? Okay, that was mean. But still, you get what we're saying. He's a dipshit. He's an idiot. Right. So, anyway.

I'm gonna treat him like NYPD and the fucking fire department. I'm coming hard. Coming hard. One, two, fun to the FDNY. Ash from head to toe, baby. No, you are a spoiled brat. Dipshit. Asshole.

So anyway, this gets him, like we said, the John Mackey Award, unanimous All-American, everything, greatest guy ever award. They just love him. Everyone will overlook a stupid comment so he goes to the combine where he is over six foot four between six four and six five 251 pounds runs a 4.62 40 my word which is really fast for a guy that size that's a very big person mad athletic like yeah if you saw that large of a person running that fast at you, you'd shit your pants. That's how fucking big and fast that is.

That's unnatural. I remember I saw it in one of our Facebook groups, and I jumped in to make fun of it a little bit. The people were arguing about could NFL players play fucking rugby. And I was like, for the first half of the game till everyone else was injured yes yes they could probably then when there was no one left they'd have a really boring rest of the game while they sat there with their arms crossed waiting for new people to be recruited because they've injured everyone and mangled them that you don't have there's no one who's six five two fifty one running a four two6", 40 in rugby. No.

They're like, well, the stamina, the cardiovascular. I don't cardiovascular my ass. One hit and you will be in the fucking hospital. We're going to see your cardiovascular. It's going to be inside out. It's going to be spread all over the fucking stands. All over the pitch? Is that what that's called? This is a otherworldly athlete.

This is not of this planet it's comes this is an alien that's been brought they'll open your scrum this is top 0.0001 percent of fucking human bodies that are exist in the world basically this is and we destroy their brains and we're gonna we're gonna mangle you're gonna scramble your eggs i going to turn his brain into jello. It's going to wiggle back and forth, but not really do much, basically. So he's got three cone drill. He's a 6.71. I don't know if that's good. Sounds good.

Sounds fast to me. I can't do it. 33 inch vertical jump for a guy who's fucking 250 pounds. He doesn't have to get that high. No, that's impressive, though. That's not bad. 10 foot broad jump. It's good shit here. So not bad at all. 250 pounds that doesn't have to get that high no that's impressive though that's a i mean that's not bad 10 foot broad jump it's good shit here so not bad at all the 2004 nfl draft comes around okay oh boy uh number one overall uh 2004 2004 uh is is that a manning that is eli manning yeah

of the san diego chargers is that right he's drafted by the chargers ain't getting them no they're not. That'll be a trade with the Giants and all that. Of course, San Diego. Oakland got Robert Gallery, number two, the tackle. Larry Fitzgerald, number three. My Christ, really? Yeah, Larry, number three.

The funny thing is, he was 43 at the time. So he's very, very old now. Wow, Phillip Rivers, number four. Wow. Sean Taylor, number five. You're talking about guys that have retired. Played good careers and Hall of Fame careers and retired. Unbelievable.

Literally. And won Super Bowls and everything else. Number six overall, the Cleveland Browns select Kellen Winslow, Jr. So number six overall. Not bad. This comes after a trade with detroit because they had to have roy williams the receiver really who turned out to be a complete utter pile of dog shit he was so hyped he was so hyped this was uh and then they got megatron and all went away that was great the detroit was just the worst draft picking team for so long they

draft awful receipt like we'll draft two bad receivers in the first round right why you don't even have a quarterback the fuck you drafting receivers for christ almighty d'angelo hall after that this is just right yeah ben roethlisberger number 11 so all those people could have had ben roethlisberger wow which is you know who won a couple of Super Bowls pretty god damn good cardinals for one there you go Jonathan Vilma after that a lot of this is a stacked draft man there's a lot of people Vince Phil uh Will Fork in here holy shit looking at this there's so many uh what is it Ben Watson the tight end he was a great too yeah he was a pro bowler at some point here Carlos

Dansby yeah Jesus Christ look at this fucking draft not bad at all so i don't even darnell docket in there so wow they got darnell docket third round ansby and fitzgerald all in the same draft yep third round second round dansby yeah that was that's what they fucking that's how they run right so they were in the super bowl in five years yeah and then that's a home run draft good great draft yeah Yeah. So now they were, of course, talking about with the Browns. Did you, you know, was he drafted because of his dad? You know why? He said, quote, we didn't draft him because of his father.

But there's a certain element of drive that adds to the I want to be better than dad attitude that we like. So that was the first time the Browns haven't struck out in their draft. And I think this is Butch Davis, who I think was a Miami. Wasn't he Miami coach before he took the Browns haven't struck out in their draft. No shit. And I think this is Butch Davis, who I think was a Miami, wasn't he Miami coach before he took the Browns job, I think? I think. So I believe, so he would be more open to a Miami alumnus. That's how that works.

So 2004, he's going to be a Cleveland Brown. At the press conference, he calls himself the chosen one. Oh, boy. You haven't even signed a contract or caught a pass yet. You're the chosen one. Oh, boy. You haven't even signed a contract or caught a pass yet. You're the chosen one. Yes. He says that he expects one day to exceed the accomplishments of his father, who basically revolutionized the tight end position. I'll be better than him, though, of course. It's fine. I'll show my dad how this is really done. Yeah, I'm going to listen. You've had your turn ass i'll sit back he said i'm not going to lie i think i can be better that's what he says um now his father

agrees with him he says that his father that the kid is more gifted than he was at 21 he said quote i never ran like that he said uh he's faster than i was he's quicker than i was and he has more exposure to the game than i did at any point in my career. So he knows more. But you can't. The desire you had coming from nothing to be an NFL player is not the same desire as he has. Just I'll be better than my dad. Exactly. There's a difference between a guy that wants to learn and a guy that thinks he knows it

all. That's a problem. And also, it's also just the whoever the parent is who started something or did something, they're going to have more drive and desire and whatever than their shit kid. Their shit kid might pretend that they're going to be as good as dad and do shit like, I'm going to outdo my dad. But you're already comfortable. You just can't have that as much inner desire because you're given things.

In a league where Antonio Gase is is playing and uh tony gonzalez and shannon sharp like there's already really great and he thinks he's gonna be as good as they are oh absolutely he says that his versatility um you know or the father says that his versatility is gonna allow the browns to use him in a bunch of different roles he's gonna create mismatches because of his size and his speed right cornerbacks are going to be too small linebackers are going to be too slow okay and that's kind of what happens when he's going well for a while here um he is offered a contract that is equal to the number five pick ahead of him okay it's uh this is a uh includes a 7.2 million dollar signing bonus that could have exceeded 13 million with incentives.

And the contract would be worth over $40 million for a fucking tight end who's never played in the NFL. That's awesome. Yeah. The Browns said their offer would far exceed the $31 million deal that Tony Gonzalez signed in 2002 when he was already the best guy in the league. And possibly ever. Yeah. And included a $10 million signing bonus, which was the most ever given the league and possibly ever yeah and included a 10 million dollar signing bonus which was the most ever given to a tight end because theirs

included it wasn't 7.2 was the guy in front of him they offered him a 10 million dollar signing bonus and they said faced with the opportunity to get kellen and camp on time we're making our best offer and he said nah he held out he held out yeah yeah he just didn't want to do it he's a twat he just didn't feel like it he's like nah i don't make me the highest paid tight end in the league uh no you're gonna make me higher yeah they were like yeah you're gonna no no i won't take the same money as the guy who's drafted ahead of me which is not even so they over they over fucking slotted him even and he's still the guy drafted ahead of him isn't even the same position right no no he's a defender exactly different guy different guy different thing different worth i don't know if you want a quarterback money or what but you're a tight end you're not getting quarterback money

you're getting more than tony g that's what i mean and in 2004 he's the best in the league exactly and you're wow that's balls unbelievable that's that's your dad told you how great you are two little one too many fucking times he should add to pay for that uh broken jaw maybe you have a little more humility maybe that's what it is so 2004 browns terry rabisky is the coach and then he's replaced by butch davis after that uh so uh this is a 4 and 12 team yeah not good not a good era for the browns this is the the here are their quarterbacks jeff garcia came in he started 11 games poor guy trying to fucking play out the rest of his career on this pile of shit team. Luke McCown wasn't good. And Kelly Holcomb.

Oh, my Christ. Those are the three there. They started 10 games, 4 games, and 2 games. That's a whole lot of milk toast. Yeah, Holcomb actually did the best out of everybody in 2 games started. Yeah, he was shit 68% completion percentage with seven touchdowns and only five picks. Everybody else was shit.

Not bad. Now, Kellen this year breaks his leg. So, yeah, he's expected to get right into his rookie season. After two games, he suffers a broken right fibula, which costs him $.3 million dollars in incentive bonuses because he is supposed to if he played a certain amount of games that year he'd get paid 5.3 million dollars and he didn't so what hurts more breaking a leg or losing that kind of money jesus christ i know i'd be like just tape it up yeah going out there kept him on the

sidelines for the remainder of the year and not great he ended up with only five catches for 50 yards holy shit not terrific there uh but he has two two operations on the leg too they were worried that he'd never be the same again and he makes a complete recovery so yeah i would say 2005 browns are six and ten under romeo cornell yeah not great either romeo cronnell yeah not ready either romeo that guy just oh god jesus christ poor fucking guy that guy he has had a terrible just they give him nothing you know what i mean i feel bad for him he always has a look on his face like just how did i get here and why am i here how did i get here he always has a look on his face like he just wants to apologize to anybody wearing the same hat or jersey as him. He looks like, okay, this is what he looks like every time.

He looks like a play just happened and they ran a play but not the one he called. And he's looking like, is that me or them? That wasn't the play I called, right? Hey, OC, that wasn't the play, right? That's the look on his face. What the fuck did I just watch? I called a sweep right. That was a pass over the middle.

What the fuck just happened? Is that what I said? He didn't audible that, did he? So they're 6-10. He gets on May 1st, 2005, though, he gets in a motorcycle accident. He is thrown from his Suzuki GSX-R750. Yeah, it's a 750cc GSX-R. That's a ridiculous motorcycle.

I get it. He's a huge guy. Yeah, but there's no reason to ride that. Especially not if you have an NFL career. Wait till afterwards. He's riding through his Cleveland suburb there when he is thrown off the bike and suffers a torn ACL from this. So in his right knee and was placed on the physically unable to perform non-football injury list for the rest of the season.

What a dipshit. Yeah. Complete stupid. Doesn't play at all this year and has to fight off a staph infection for six weeks from the wound of the surgery and all this shit, too. So that'll come up later again. He's got like a persistent staph thing that comes weeks from the wound of the surgery and all this shit too so that'll come up later again he's got like a persistent staph thing that comes really yeah most of the guys have that that's a dirty little secret nobody knows about all these athletes get tons of staph

infections a lot of them have MRSA because their contact with all this shit oh he is a dummy that's just it happens so um yeah so that's 2005 so in years now, he's gotten paid a lot of money. He has a grand total of five receptions for 50 yards. And a motorcycle crash. And a motorcycle crash and two broken legs, basically. So June 15, 2006, 2006 comes around. He marries. He gets married.

Yeah. When everything's going, what's our rule, Jimmy? Everything's going great. Things are going your way. Top of the world. What do you do? Get married. Or have a kidimmy everything's going great things are going your way top of the world what do you do get married or have a kid that's right whenever things are going bad these i'm gonna try to flip it yeah i'm gonna flip it i'm gonna get married everything's gonna turn around i'm gonna bring somebody else into this misery with me i think i'll bring janelle into this with me yeah that'll work poor janelle winslow so, you don't even know poor Janelle. Really?

Dude, this poor woman. You have no fucking idea. So 2006 with the Browns, 4-12 there that year. Romeo Cornell again. Just, what? What are they doing? Same look. He's always squinting.

What? Those numbers on the scoreboard cannot be right. 42-0? It's the third quarter already? How are we? The game just started, man. Right? Poor Romeo.

He looks so confused. Like, how did I get here? Somebody driving. Is my car outside? Did I drive here? How do I get home? He just seems very confused. Poor fucking guy. So 2006 2006 uh junior here shows up in

training camp and says ready to go ready to play um yep he said even he said even if i'm at 90 he said that quote i hate to be brash but i still think my 90 is probably better than every tight end out there so he's saying i've never played i've played five fucking catches in this league right guys have been killing it since then but not to be brash but i'll be better than them even though i have all i've done is destroy my legs for the last two years right perfect october 17 2006 his brother dies so that's a problem stop that yeah his half brother um i think that's the one that was born the three months younger yeah yes because he's 23 years of age. Oh, boy.

This is Justin Winslow. How'd he die? No cause of death reported. He was 23 years of age and found unconscious by his mother. So, probably some pills or something. I'm not going to speculate. I don't know. But that's just a young person dies more than likely.

It's very rare that that's a natural cause. That's what I mean. It's one of those things. It's very rare that it was just it was just his time that's it yeah it's just his time to go man you know how it goes i had a friend who was all worn out 19 years old just fell over and that was it never did drugs just so it happened like a heart murmur or something well he was born three months premature and his heart just never developed okay well that's a good reason for that but like if you're not like a regular healthy person that's always been healthy and then no major organ issues and it just natural causes he just was tired from nfl uh athletic stock yeah you

rarely just quit man his body just quit on him who said so this year he plays and starts all 16 games and uh he has uh 89 receptions this year which is a lot for a tight end that's a shitload 875 yards so using him for certain things lets you know what the what the browns were up against here yeah jesus three bastards three touchdowns for him in this awful losing effort for the browns now let's talk a little bit about his personality. What do you say? Because we know he's kind of a dick so far, and definitely his father's silver-haired as they come,

and everybody has propped him up because he's this goal. Think about it. Normally these athletic kids that are our athletes that we talk about, they have their balls tickled from the time they're a young age just to have how wonderful they are. Add your dad's a hall of famer in the town that he played in where everyone would want to get close to the dad too so this kid is the most ass-kissed kid that's ever existed so uh let's talk a little bit about him uh one point and this is just a tip of the iceberg here one point and he's with the browns and kellen senior

was in town okay so the browns are planning on filming a video spot at their team facility with him and his dad sure you know like an nfl you know hey generational whatever the fuck right so you know first round pick all that sort of thing so dad's ready to go we're ready for the shoot yeah can't find junior no where's fucking junior so um they looked all over the facility for him he's hiring a baboon to hold him up and sing the fucking lion king song oddly enough worse oddly enough more grandiose oh boy um couldn't find him no finally a team official noticed that across the street in a guest parking lot his hummer was parked over there he's like oh his car's over there i don't know maybe i'll go see if he's who knows on the phone

or who knows the fuck he's doing over there so an equipment manager was sent to check on him at the off chance that he was in it and he certainly was in it in the back seat jerking it furiously furiously stroking his cock in the back seat that's what he was doing this is hot in the back seat i'd be like yeah photo shoot with my dad they want to do an expose on me and pop i guess what the fuck he's jerking that's how he gets warmed up apparently for a photo shoot is to jerk it in the back seat of his car listen man at work yeah don't jerk it at work you can't jerk off at work a little bit don't be whacking it on the job man how am i how hot is that to him how yeah how horny are you where you're like i know i'm at work right now and i'm about to do a photo shoot with my dad yeah but i need

to whack it like have you ever been that maybe that's crazy i don't want to accidentally get a boner in this fucking photo. That would look real awkward sitting next to my dad. I got a surefire way to make it not happen. Go in the guest parking lot. Tuck in the Hummer. That's the tip of the iceberg. Want to hear some real pervy shit?

Is he so dumb that he thinks that's what's getting a Hummer? I think so. Or he's just jerking your Hummer? Yeah. Just, nah. You want to hear some pervy, gross shit that he's into i kind of do well this is over a sports illustrated article they did a whole thing here back in the day and found just talked to tons of coaches and team officials and teammates and nobody wants to be named

obviously but these are all from official sources and everything this is amazing they all said that he's a talented hard-working guy who always wanted to be better than his dad not in like a fuck my dad kind of a way but like yeah that was his that's the only thing you could find that would motivate him is to be better than his dad because otherwise he's got everything yeah i mean and how how proud are you going to be of your son if he does the same thing as you and not as good you know what i mean exactly that's what he's he's earning his dad's respect uh they say he's a little bit weird though and his his uh attitude towards social norms tend to be a little strange here um okay well let's see here he uh in his last year 2013 when he was with the jets basically he

was known and this is right out of the article quote winslow became known to co-workers as a compulsive masturbator and a pornography enthusiast according to two teammates and three former team officials oh my god um yeah they said that he could count on having an empty seat next to him on any team flight due to his ritual of watching hardcore pornography on his portable dvd player unbelievable not even giving a fuck he's like this is a gross one hey come here this is a real gross one in what year 2013 this is yeah well this is a little bit this is before that right uh but that 2013 was just he's a chronic masturbator that's that the portable dvd players like mid 2000s before it's on the phones. That's gross.

Yeah, on the plane. That means you've got to bring... Wow, that's even grosser, man. Which ones am I going to want to watch on the plane? Because he's got his plane stuff and then you know he's got his hotel stuff. He's got all sorts of porn. Which one will impress Coach Croneff?

Which one's going to impress the offensive coordinator? I need to get in more plays. I need one with girls getting spit on. Anybody knows that the quarterback likes to whack it too? I want him to throw it to me more. Is that possible if I get him porn? McCown!

That's how you get people to do things for you. That's how you get people to do things for you, right? You fucking show them porn i think right on the team plane right favorite jesus christ he's a weird he's a weird guy you so you you know he's into like the fuck you know and we all know a guy like this yeah we all know a guy that's always like that finds like the craziest thing that's the craziest thing also we all know like the chronic masturbation.

Like I know... I remember in high school, I had this one friend who'd just be like, I'm going to go jerk off now. We'd all be hanging out. He'd just go jerk off in the bathroom. Be like, all right, that's better. And we're like, what are you doing? He'd just be like, I'm going to go jerk off.

He'd just leave. Just leave the room. He'd come back, grab the lotion and leave. You're like, what are you doing? When a guy does that though you got to start retracing what we all just did for the past 10 minutes because it clearly got him hot as fuck that's what it is i've never been in a moment where i'm like i gotta go tug it you'd be we'd be sitting there it's like 1993 or 1995 whatever be sitting there playing

like street fighter 2 on nintendo super nintendo fucking around you'd just be like he'd lose a game like i'm gonna go whack it like he's just bored game. He'd be like, I'm going to go whack it. He's just bored. It was something to do for him. I'm bad at this game, but I'll tell you what I never lose at. No, he was amazing at that. I'll be right back. He could also fart at Will, which was an impressive...

That's gross. Think of this guy. He was the grossest person ever. He could fart at Will and would jerk off constantly and tell you about it. You realize that guy's in prison, right? I know he's not in prison, actually. No? But he's an interesting fella. He's turned out to be an interesting guy.

Put it that way. Does he have a record? Sort of. Probably. Yeah, a little bit. But he had a record like when we were kids. Like we were, you know, hooligans. But that's beside the point.

He's an interesting guy. Had to unfriend him on Facebook. Put it that way. Got a little weird. The point is he doesn't have a great career and a family and he's crushing it right he's got a family but he's definitely implanted seeds in people it's not a happy family no doubt about that so on one occasion i love porn and i yank all the time james i'll admit it to you but it's not there but that's the thing it's not at work you don't come here and do

it pause i gotta go hold on a second dude hey hold on in between these shows i'm gonna go whack it that's never said i'm far enough in that i know a lot of girls names and i have favorites well i mean but i'm not here involved i mean well you don't have like a road stash of like i gotta bring all this with me he's got a layout i this many pairs of underwear and this many socks. And fuck, I need all the different porn. He's got a big booklet. He breaks out one of those big DVD books, like big photo album. Like the CD, the one you used to have.

Yeah, it has 500 and he's looking through it going, no, no, no. Oh, this will be good on the plane. Titles don't make him laugh, James. That's the crazy part. He's like, yeah. That's where he's at. He just goes, yeah. Fucking, I know what that's about. Yeah, this will be good on the plane. Titles don't make him laugh, James. That's the crazy part. He's like, yeah. That's where he's at. He just goes, yeah. Fucking, I know what that's about.

Yeah, that's right. That's some plane whacking right there. So an equipment manager at one point was tasked with delivering their gear to lockers, pads and shit like that. This was after hours. And when he did that after the game, he walked in on Kellen masturbating in his locker. Two seats away from the entrance. So he wasn't like in the back.

He wasn't in the bathroom. He wasn't in a stall. He was just right at the front of the locker room where anyone who walked in would have seen him fucking furiously. He's literally almost gone. Yeah, yeah. He's right by the front. He's right by.

He could have went out to the car. Yeah. That's what I mean. I would have rather whacked it in the car personally than in the locker room. I hope the equipment guy doesn't come with my fucking guys like iPads. That's part of the excitement. I think it is. He likes it.

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stayed at a hotel and had a curfew, and assistant coaches who perform bed checks always said that he that every time they do bed checks, he's watching pornography. Just no other time. He's always watching porn. Then when porn became available on phones, he would watch it on his smartphone during team meetings. Of course. He said every time. He was just always watching porn.

During any time he had a phone on him, he's watching porn. They're talking about, you know, and then the ex is going to hook over here, and they're like, Kel, and he's like, hold on, he's just about to come on her face. Wait one second. He's so close, dude, I can tell. He just told her to open her mouth, so it's coming right now. Good news, coach, he finished. Bad news, there's another guy behind him, so you're going to have to wait.

I'm sorry. I'm going to take a break, coach break coach you know what i don't want to be this disruption to the rest of the team you guys gonna watch this or what yeah uh two former two former teammates said that uh such such sites would be you know blocked by the building wi-fi so you'd have to block them from him so he couldn't get on them because otherwise that's all he would do so teammates wouldn't share hotel rooms with him yeah at all because they said all he ever did was watch porn and openly masturbate and they just didn't want to hang out in the room while he's openly jerking it i can't you don't want to sit on the other bed while somebody's like hey was jerking it porn on full volume like what are you doing

no baby it's there are no girls here i swear it is kellen's phone it's he's disgusting listen he's whacking it right kellen and tell my wife you're whacking it please i'm whacking it all right see he's whacking it no bathroom yeah uh with no regard for who was in the room even if they had guests no it didn't matter he'd take it out and whack it um romeo cornell the head coach and uh also terry rabisky who was also a head coach made efforts to mentor kellen and uh impress upon him the expectations of appropriate behavior as they put it and uh especially once cornell became aware of the road trip roommate like nobody will room with him. He said, OK, the man's 25 years old.

That's when he said they had to be like, listen, you know, there's there's shit you do and there's shit you don't do. And like, you know, jerking it in front of your teammates. They're uncomfortable with that. Also, I can't believe I have to say this. Yeah. This is, by the way, Charles Haley's exact story. Charles Haley apparently jerked it constantly. He would jerk off in team meetings.

There'd be a team meeting. He'd be stroking his cock in the back of the room. They'd be like, Charles, what the fuck? He'd be nude and stroking it. At some point, that's a masculinity thing, too, right? Well, for Charles, it was. Charles apparently had a giant dick, too, and he just was like lotioning it up all the time. He said he was just like polishing it like a fucking.

If I had one of those, I might. Yeah. I might do that. If you had like a novelty circus penis, you just polish it all the time. Four inches around. This isn't sexual. Yeah. This isn't.

I'm just, you know, it's just an impressive piece of. This isn't even hard. That's what's so impressive about it. I just like to to show it to people but it's not sexual at all this is so unsexual that all of this meat is just to look at just to check out so later on when he ended up going to tampa he acquired jesus christ he just had a like a you know the like like the silicone sex dolls yeah he just had a torso oh that's gross he just had a fucking torso with of you know with with both holes in it no arms no legs no head that's all i need yeah a torso with holes oh boy and uh he would bring it with him on road trips and it was like he was not secretive about it this is where's it like a backpack yeah i'll be fucking this thing he just put straps on it

it's just dripping like kids have those cartoon characters they have like pikachu back there he's got a half a woman's porn torso behind a dismembered porn torso with straps on it god damn it oh man so that's all around the guys you know alone there's a lot of people we know that are gross how is he with women that's the important thing here well um let's see here when it came to actual women um when he was in the nfl he was never no one ever said he was over aggressive there's never had any accusations or anything like that they said he would brag all the time about cheating on his wife of course and you know having one night stands and all sorts of shit like that but you know he would like uh he would spend weeks at a time and off on during the off season on people's couches

teammates couches where he would just be like partying and dating around and he was just like such a pussy hound that it was like it was disturbing. He couldn't he didn't have time to like get furniture or rent an apartment. I'll just stay on your couch and fuck people. Cool. Like, wow, that's that's something. Team officials said that his behavior toward women could never be categorized as like harassing or dangerous. They liked him and he liked them.

It was one of those things. One of the guys said, quote, he was was infantile just very transparent with kell and everybody knew what he was about video games and fucking 25 video games and fucking full disclosure there are not a lot of guys if given the opportunity to only give a shit about video games and fucking that wouldn't give a shit only about video games and fucking true you have no kids right and you have millions and millions of dollars what do you care about jimmy nba jam and blowies that's it that's it it's all you especially you're 25 and you have a circus novelty penis right you're gonna fucking know ridiculous look at girl i got big head muscle.

Check out this shit. Look at that. More ways than one, baby. Come on, fire. Unbelievable. So 2007 Cleveland Browns are 10-6, but they don't make the playoffs, which is fucking hilarious. Even when they go 10-6, they don't make the playoffs.

It's because Cincy and Pittsburgh were good. Yeah, that was a tough era for them. And the Ravens. They were all good there. It was a tough era for them. And the Ravens. They were all good there. It was a tough era. But he plays in all 16 games. He has 82 receptions, 1,106 yards. Very good.

Five touchdowns. Great year. He makes the Pro Bowl this year. He is a Pro Bowler. Grace. Oh, no. Yes, that's Grace, my friend. Oh, boy.

It's downhill from here here uh more ways than one so 2008 cleveland browns um they go 4 and 12 again right back to where they were that's that's better yeah you know that i think i think romeo cornell got a better job somewhere he was still there was he still there 10 and 6 he was like hey we're gonna take the next step this year then back to 4 and 12 and i think he was shit can the next year okay so um you know how the browns do they go through coaches a lot he is uh suspended from the team this year for a little bit for some comments that he made apparently he he got another staff infection okay and it got crazy from there the team the team was told him basically that he wasn't allowed to tell anyone he had a staff infection and they wouldn't reveal it.

So they said it's a non football injury. So it's his private injury. So they're not. They can't reveal his private medical shit. And he said, fuck you. You made me look like a fucking pussy rather than saying that I keep getting staff infections in your fucking facility. Because that was his thing. And basically he was mad and he spent three days in

the hospital with an undisclosed illness and it turned out to be a staff infection and so he began lashing out at the browns for not having a clean facility and things like that he said that uh the team has had at least six cases of staff in the past three years and the team asked him to conceal his illness so he was pissed off about that. He said the general manager didn't check on him while he was in the hospital. And he felt like the Browns were treating him like a piece of meat. And he considered requesting a trade. No, you're treating you like a piece of meat. Well, yeah.

Don't use piece. I was going to say. You can't do that. Piece of meat is anytime you say meat, someone's going to go, well, he's beaten his meat. Anytime meat comes up with this guy. And yeah, it's silly. But he's beating his meat anytime meat comes up with this guy and uh yeah ridiculous it's silly but he's got a point though too there should not be fucking people getting tons of staph infections in your facility if you're cleaning properly you should be spraying it down with lysol every day that's ridiculous and that's irresponsible so uh basically the uh the general manager said his statements brought unjustified negative attention to our organization and violated the team first concept of our football squad.

Fuck you. How about that? You don't own me. Me first, motherfucker. You're giving people staff infections. Team first, my teammates. Not the fucking. Not the organization.

Not the fucking orange helmet. Right. Who cares about that? Doesn't even have words on it. It's about teammates, asshole. So, yeah, it doesn't even have a goddamn word on it so he's suspended and it'll cost him 235 294 for a game check wow it's a pretty good hefty chunk of change for one game for a game against jacksonville ah jesus they're gonna lose anyway he won't be yeah it doesn't matter he can appeal the suspension uh his agent drew rosenhouse who's a

huge asshole he uh he's his agent on this whole thing so uh what did he say here he said that regardless of how this was released the information would still remain the same i contracted staff again i spoke out on this because i felt it was the right thing to do and this is why i'm so passionate about it this has nothing to do with. And this has to do with my current and has nothing to do with my current contract situation. This is a health concern. You can't. It is. That's ridiculous.

Staff is dangerous. It's very fucking dangerous. You got to be on top of that. So his response is he's got to kind of apologize. Sort of. He says, I care deeply for my organization, my teammates and the browns fans and miami and drew carrie and mimi and fucking uh jason sudeikis on fucking 30 rock and fucking and charlie sheehan the other indians charlie sheehan all the other indians wesley tom berringer tom berringer i'm

very sorry tom berringer i apologize mostly didn't even come back for the second movie but i still apologize to him i do i apologize to him i apologize for putting him through that second movie apologize to lou who i apologize to the guy on the other line about the white walls who didn't get to i apologize i'm sorry it's the only things we know about cleveland american express for having the card upside down yeah that's it the only things we know about cleveland other than it smells like burning jizz yeah so and above all i apologize to ariel castro i've really given him a bad name i don't know who's the worst a worst clevelander ariel castro or kellen winslow it's fucking close when you hear this it's close dude i'm not even gonna lie so yeah he said that uh

fact remains a health issue yada yada yada just because i catch a football doesn't mean i shouldn't i doesn't mean i should tell what's wrong with me or what happened so uh yeah he says that he agreed with the team's decision to suspend him he shouldn't have talked he said bullshit wow anyway he plays in 10 games this year starts eight he is has 43 catches for 428 yards and three touchdowns february 27 2009 the browns trade him yeah so he's traded to the buccaneers for a second round pick and uh and then a sixth round pick as well so traded for basically nothing they give him the biggest contract for a tight end in nfl history history. He's had one good year.

Right. One out of five. Biggest contract ever. Six-year, $36 million deal for a tight end is big. 2009 Bucs. This is a bad team. This is the Josh Freeman, Josh Johnson, Byron Leftwich QB'd Bucs. Three and 13 that year.

My Christ. Not good. Raheem that year. Eee, my Christ. Not good. Raheem Morris was the coach I remember these days. Not a good time for the Bucs. Now, for Kellen, though, he plays in all 16 games. He has 77 receptions for 884 yards, five touchdowns. So decent. Also in 2010, this might be the fucking weirdest thing ever.

He is, I don't know he appears in an infomercial yeah for the total gym fitness system what with chuck norris and christy brinkley holy shit why it's really weird because he's doing the total gym and then he starts stroking it writing on the camera he's just like looking at christy brinkley staring and stroking it and chuck norris had to like you know kick the lotion bottle out of his hand and tell him to stop but no he's doing a total gym infomercial saying that the total gym he's been doing it since age 13 his father introduced him to the total gym it's been look at me now good lord the nfl players that's just sad i have the strongest forearms ever. What a weird trio.

Yeah. First of all, Chuck Norris and Christie Brinkley. Why are you together? They don't go together at all. Apart from the era that they are and their age. Yeah. They're both white, I guess. But other than that, I don't know what the fuck they have in common.

Total Jim is crushing it. If they can afford to get all three of them yeah as their spokespeople that's impressive and gina o'kelly who i don't know who that is either so i feel like that was the person who yeah would give the pitch right that's like the actress yeah getting her sag card right and they have the celebrities back there chuck just going i'm very strong look at me and then christy brinkley going see see how hot I am? Oh, my God. Total gym. Holding that picture. See how hot I used to be? Nothing to do with genetics. Jesus Christ.

Is she doing the Elizabeth Hurley thing or is she falling apart? I don't know. It's not good. Elizabeth Hurley, literally once a week on the internet, there's a new picture that she puts out on Instagram of her smoking hot in a bikini. It's like, Elizabeth Hurley is 56 and look at her. And it's like, stop. That's just not even fair.

It's ridiculous. She is unbelievable. She's using the total gym. She is amazing. So 2010 in Tampa, he's going to sit out the preseason most likely. And they're okay with it. The team wants that. They just want him to rest his body.

Yeah. He's a big guy. And stay off jixers, too. You know, he's just going to whack it for six for the whole preseason. We said, well, we're out there playing. You stroke it. Keep that in game shape. The coach said, quote, I had no interest in playing Kellen Winslow last week.

And they were asking, you know, is it okay that he didn't show up? And they asked, so he might not play this preseason. And Raheem Morris said, he may not. But we wanted to get him out there to test the waters a little bit. Last year in the preseason, he played a little bit for us. I'm sure this year in the preseason we'll want to play him a little bit and we'll want him to get out there when we want him to. So he said nothing.

That was a double-talking bullshit. At some point he'll play. At some point he might play, but maybe not. Okay. I'm not into evaluating Kellen. Kellen put a nice 16 games on display for us last year right now we've just got to let him get ready for us to go get ready to go out there and win us some games is that possibly uh i don't want him around the team right now we

well he's there for 16 weeks is plenty he's going to be jerking more because he's not playing in the priest but he's there hanging out they just want to rest his body they're like we know what he does we don't need to evaluate him so there's that so this year tampa goes 10 and 6 and does not make the playoffs this guy's a bad luck charm yeah i mean it's rare you go 10 and 6 and don't make the playoffs yeah but they've got the saints and the panthers and who else is in that division jaguars or the no jaguars are around the time when the cardinals are going to the playoffs at eight and8. I mean, the West was a shit show, but still. So anyway, Tampa this year, 16 games. He starts 11 of them.

He has 66 catches for 730 yards and five touchdowns again. Every year he has either three or five touchdowns. 3-5, 3-5-5 is how it goes there. February 2011, he and his wife have a son. Oh, boy. A son, Jimmy. Did they do it? What do you think its name? Is it Kellen wife have a son. Oh, boy. A son, Jimmy. Did they do it? What do you think its name?

Is it Kellen III? Jalen. Oh. He broke the cycle. But he went with that? Jalen Maximus Winslow. Yeah. Yeah, he watched 300 a couple of times.

He's like, Jalen Maximus. Fucking idiot. In between, he thought that was a porn. Right. He's like, oh, 300 chicks get banged. This is a 300-man gangbang. This is going to be good. Oh, there's a guy in the front with no shirt on.

Yeah, he's going to fucking bang this chick. Him and 300 guys. He sees all the guys behind him. He's like, they're all going to bang that chick. I'm going to watch this. He puts it in. He's like, I don't see any banging. When are they going to spart on her?

Kind of exciting. I don't know. Yeah, when's that happening? So 2011, Boxer 4-12 12 again jesus he is a good luck charm isn't he uh 15 games he starts plays in all 16 75 receptions 763 yards two touchdowns may 22nd 2012 he's traded from the bucks to the seahawks really yeah how long was he there well not really at all because they trade him for an undisclosed draft pick, and Seattle asks him to take a pay cut as part of it, and he says, no, I'm not taking a pay cut.

I like being the highest paid tight end in the history of the NFL. But they have a great tight end there at that time, don't they? I don't remember. That was the Super Bowl year, so yeah, I think they had a good tight end. But they had Stevens. We did an episode on him, Jeremy Stevens. There you go. During this period.

But they also want him, and they ask him to take a pay cut. He says no, so September 1, 2012, they cut him. Oh, really? Because he wouldn't take a pay cut, so they cut him right before the season. He's not going to pay him. Wow. They don't want to fucking pay him. Oh, I guess you can't trade somebody if you don't sign them to agree on a contract well he was on the team they could have traded him but who knows that it's

easier for a team to just go no we don't want to trade we'll just sit and wait for you to release him and get him on waivers it's easier easier and cheaper thank you there you go so it plays into the other teams then they have to sign him on his original contract it's a whole thing if he doesn't clear waivers which i believe he does because he's not signed until september 19th of that year. With the Jets, right? With the New England Patriots. Really?

Oh, yeah. You know, Belichick loves a reclamation project. He went there. With New England, he plays one game. One game where he has one reception for 12 yards. Oh, wow. That's it. So, not a lot going on for him.

On September 27th, which is the day after his first game there he asks for his release really don't know what he was thinking but he did not like it there and uh they cut him they go all right fine fuck off we're gonna beg you to be here right stroking it yeah no i don't know if tom brady wasn't okay with the mass strokings or what happened but i don't know so june 14th 2013 so he goes through the 2012 season without a team uh 2013 the jets sign him to a one-year contract there in august of 2013 during training camp they have a daughter uh juliana ariel winslow so he just watches movies and then names his kids after shit jesus he's a fucking idiot he's a douchebag no his middle names yeah yeah his name is boswell i guess he's getting revenge on them

you got jalen and then through the middle name of what maximus maximus and then ariel he what he loves disney juliana ariel his wife might love disney too we don't know about that juliana huff is that what i don't know who the fuck knows naming these kids after who knows we don't know if her dead friend is named Juliana. Who the hell knows? He's got an aunt that he liked named Juliana. We have no idea. I think he loves the Disney Channel.

Probably. Yeah. Well, we'll talk about why in a minute here. Okay. So 2013 with the Jets. They go eight and eight under Rex Ryan here. So he is just a non-playoff. He's never been to the playoffs.

Yeah. Never. He's never made the playoffs. He's a cancer for teams. He's never been to the playoffs. Yeah. Never. He's never made the playoffs. He's a cancer for teams. He's an albatross around their neck. October 11, 2013, the NFL fines Kellen Winslow and suspends him four games for violating the policy on performance-enhancing substances. Not sure exactly what it was, but they reinstate him on November 11, 2013, and the Jets don't give a shit either way. So who cares?

He's got something more exciting happening eight days later once he's reinstated, though. You'd think he'd be busy. Okay? Busy. Instead, November 19th, 2013, he is pulled over. I'll give you three guesses of why he's pulled over. Speeding. No.

No. Swerving. Drunk driving. No. No. Swerving. Drunk driving. No. No. Yanking. Hey! I knew you'd get it.

He was yanking and driving? No. Worse than that. A woman told police that she saw him masturbating in his SUV outside of a Target. What? In East Hanover, New Jersey. Like in the parking lot in the parking lot um he's 5 30 p.m so it wasn't even dark it was fucking it might have been dark by then in

november but five no no not yet 5 30 p.m in a target that's a busy time for target 5 30 he's just whacking it fucking apparently she uh a woman said she parked her car in the spot next to a black Escalade outside Target. As she exited her vehicle, she commented to the mail, him, regarding how cold it was. As she stood near the open driver's side window of the Escalade, she observed his erect penis. He had his window down. Whacking. Kind of cold out, isn't it? Don't feel it myself.

I don't know. I'm looking like I'm at full fucking mass here. warm in here it's warm in here baby i got the heat on she stated that she believed he was masturbating um she provided a written response so uh what ends up happening there is uh jesus christ he takes off uh she starts calling the cops he takes off so this is the police report yeah this is i'll just read the police report fuck it i have a whole police report here this is the officer i responded to the there's an address target on the report of a black male and a black cadillac escalade in the parking lot pleasuring himself

while in route headquarters advised the vehicle was backed into the parking spot along a brick wall, and the driver was described as being between 25 and 30 years of age, wearing a gray hooded sweatshirt. I arrived at the Target and observed a black Cadillac Escalade bearing California registration, with a male matching the given description in the driver's seat. I approached the vehicle and observed the driver, later identified as Kellen Winslow Jr., slouched down in his seat moving around. Mr. Winslow then moved into an upright position in the seat as I came to the driver's side window. I asked Mr. Winslow what he was doing in the parking lot, and he advised he was looking for a Boston Market and was lost. I'm either going to eat a eat like a rotisserie shitty sticky

rotisserie chicken or whack it i can't decide i either want cafeteria quality rotisserie chicken and vegetables and overcooked macaroni and cheese maybe a little bit of nice cornbread because that's all they've got there it's decent or uh i'm gonna just tug here to the clientele walking in and out of target pretty much so is there any does he have porn with him or his memory i think just looking at people yeah i think you know what he's a man of the world jimmy he sees beautiful he's like a hippie he sees beauty in the world i think he lacks it to it a lot of aggressively a lot of people have like this excitement of maybe getting caught but his excitement is getting caught that's what he he wants. No, he wants you to see him. He wants it. He needs it.

Oh, wait until you see what he needs. He's gross. This is the least gross thing he does this whole episode. So he says now, while speaking with Mr. Winslow, I observed many empty plastic containers of Funky Monkey in the passenger seat. What? This is synthetic marijuana on the seat and the floor of the passenger side of the vehicle. The vehicle was very cluttered, and there was also a lot of plastic bags of Mr. Happy scattered throughout the front seat seats.

I observed Mr. Winslow wearing dark colored sweatpants and two open containers of Vaseline on his center console, but his genitals were not exposed. He's wearing sweat. He's got open Vaseline jars in his like cup holder yeah instead of like a fucking you know large coke from mcdonald's he's got vaseline in there that's how much he's gonna whack it tug lube he knows he's gonna whack it he's got car lube how awesome is it that the synthetic marijuana that he has is called mr happy mr happy yeah this is crazy though people get like you know they have like a car cup that they keep in the car they have like a car whatever the fuck nobody has car lube no nobody

has car vaseline yeah i mean he's really so imagine what his steering wheel's like because that shit doesn't come off your hands it's all coated in disgustingness wow okay so um jesus christ the genitals were not exposed at this time um another police officer arrived on the scene as backup and i asked mr winslow to exit the vehicle i patted mr winslow down for weapons with negative results patrol asked mr winslow about the bags of mr happy and the bottles of funky monkey in plain sight and he advised his employer the the National Football League, does not drug test for this substance, so he smokes it. This is the problem, too.

Let these fucking guys smoke weed. Fuck this guy, but this shit is worse for you than weed. Not the same thing. It's not the same. It's man-made. It's man-made. It's not good. Let them smoke weed.

Spice is not good stuff yeah and a lot of these players go gee do i want to take fucking eight oxys today or do i want to smoke some weed which was better for them jesus christ so he says he smokes it um at his residence the detective sergeant here also came in arrived at the scene at the time he spoke with another witness who said that uh he she parked near the vehicle and observed him with the penis and all that sort of thing. With the penis. Yeah. With the penis and the Vaseline.

And the Mr. Happy. And the Mr. Happy with the penis. He's got a penis. He's got the penis of the Vaseline in the cup holder. he's got a penis he's got the penis of a sleeve in the cup holder and the jello jello is making it shake so completed a statement here wow they did

a search of the thing consent was completed and blah blah blah following items were located eight empty plastic containers of premium funky monkey five small plastic bags containing mr. happy potpourri Eight empty plastic containers of premium Funky Monkey. Five small plastic bags containing Mr. Happy Potpourri. And one empty bag of K2XXX.

These items were all collected by patrol and later placed into evidence. A property evidence form was completed for all, blah, blah, blah. He was advised he was free to leave and proceeded to leave with no further incidents. And then that ends up happening. K2 was spiced, too. Yeah, it's all that yeah it's all that shit he loves that he loves it yeah he's got a whole bunch of it he's getting different kinds of spice and tugging he's like he's 16 years old he's like me at a dispensary a little bit of that a little bit of that fuck man so yeah he's that's just so far he's just lost that's just you know looking for boston smoking funky monkey and wanting a chicken carver sandwich i can't gotta have it so wow um that's that's rock bottom right well no it gets worse um he is not charged with lewdness no because that's like a he said she said and he said he

was we'll talk about what he says but you know they said maybe she was mistaken basically they don't charge him but they do charge him for the synthetic marijuana he pleads not guilty to charges of possession of synthetic marijuana so the explanation comes from his publicist and this is fucking amazing uh quote kellen pulled over to part to a parking lot to smoke what he thought at the time was a legal substance he changed his clothes in his vehicle as to not smell like smoke when he returned home there was absolutely nothing inappropriate that took place there uh that took place and if the police would have investigated further and charged kellen which they did not uh this would not uh this will be the only time we will comment on this unfounded and ridiculous claim of whacking it in his suv because they act

like he's not going gonna whack it right so that what do the jets say are they silver yeah they say quote we are unaware of the situation this is a pending legal matter and we have no comment not for us silver don't give a fuck season's almost over let's get through it got other shit going on perpetually eat ass no we know it's all fine so So this is fucking ridiculous. So he's got all sorts of problems. He's always out buying spice and whacking it and everything else. So he's got a certain, I think,

a certain of the synthetic weeds he likes, and there's a certain smell that he likes that attracts him to it. There's one day he's driving, and he catches the smell. And he turns, and he parks his car, and he's driving and he catches the smell. Yep. And he turns, he parks his car and he's like, this is my spot. But it's not.

It's not synthetic weed. What he smells is shawarma. And it's the shawarma man. And he says, How is it you've come to arrive here? Why are you here? You come in, I see you say you want smoke.

I have, I make lamb for you. I know smoke so let me ask question because i curious you know i watch on the tv with the football and the thing now on sideline between plays there you jerk it there too or you wait because uniform pant you get down and jerk so people can see you like hey you come watch me i do lots of things you know i catch ball and then i jerk off on sideline you know on top of ball so quarterback slippery for other team you know is that what you do oh you're disgusting i i make for you put you put put back put that away get out of here. You go. Sign say close. I get my knife. You go. And poof. A poof of lamb and shawarma.

He's gone. Kellen, dick in his hand. Very frightened of the shawarma man's going to cut it right off. Right off. He'll circumcise you. Yeah. So for the Jets that year, he played in 12 games, started three, had 31 receptions for 388 yards and uh two touchdowns

so pretty pretty useless generally now may 2014 is court for fake weed so uh there's a motion but so stupid terrible that's so embarrassing so stupid the motion by his attorney argued that a chart the charge should be dismissed because the substance in question was not illegal under state or federal law when he was arrested in November. Okay, so it's passed law since then. Yeah, because they didn't know what it was at first, whatever. So they did not list Fubenica. I don't know anything about fake weed.

I've never smoked or looked at fake weed because I'm like, real weed is available. Is that weed? No, I don't want it. Well, why would you want it? Because it wasn't illegal. It doesn't make sense, though. It was kids. Kids thought it was.

I guess they could buy it. Yeah, because they could get it. You could go to a, it was a Circle K, man. You can get weed easier, though. I suppose, yeah. Yeah, because when I was a kid, like, you know, there was the places when you were 17 or whatever that you could buy beer or whatever. But like when you're 14, it's way easier to get weed than anything that's sold in the store right you know they're not gonna right there well i gotta

go to the store way easier so um yeah they said it wasn't an illegal substance that he bought the substance legally and his life wow his his attorney added quote sniffing glue has the same effect as smoking marijuana okay is that a pot that a positive? What is that? Sir, what point are you trying to prove here? So the judge said that basically that state law barring any substance that mimics the effect of marijuana was in effect at the time of his arrest. So it's okay. He also added that glue, unlike the substance,

was not manufactured to mimic the effects of marijuana. This doesn't stick anything together. If it also stuck things together, we'd be having a different conversation. Why does this guy keep bringing up sniffing glue? Because the lawyer brought it up. Right, but why does the lawyer? That was the judge. The judge said, yeah, that's true, but glue isn't manufactured to be like weed.

That's just a happy accident. Glue's a thing that we use for things, and you happen to have sniffed it, obviously. Fake weed has one use. It's not even that good. So the verdict coming here of the synthetic marijuana, the judge agrees to grant him a conditional discharge after refusing to dismiss the charge.

Under the conditions, the charge will be dismissed in a year without a guilty finding if he avoids arrest and meets with a probation officer once or twice. after refusing to dismiss the charge under the conditions, the charge will be dismissed in a year without any, without a guilty finding. If he avoids arrest and meets with a probation officer once or twice. So there you go. Now his attorney, the glue sniffing commenter guy, he said,

quote, it's almost as good as a dismissal. So that's great. And he, Kellen jr says, yeah, I'm happy, man.

He says that, uh, that, uh, he's his outcome allows him to negotiate with other nfl teams and put this behind him i'd rather be here discussing this than what i was actually doing clearly because that was gross yeah let's really concentrate on the fake weed way less gross so he's an unrestricted free agent there the jets said they do not want him um he lived uh he said

he lived in austin texas now saying he train, quote, I need to train where it's hot. Okay. And he said that the police officer said that we treated him like any other person here. The lesson learned here is by him. So that's fine. 2016, he tries to have a comeback here after he sits out for two years. Yeah. 2016, this is he had a workout with the Green Bay Packers in August.

Yeah. But was not offered a contract. And so he kind of sits out the 2016 season. Later on, he'll participate in the Spring League. Yeah. Football, kind of a whatever. In 2017 and 18, trying to catch on with the team and never does. Yeah.

Because he's done. It's over. It's over. Once it's over, it's over. 2016, though, he is inducted into the Miami University Hall of Fame. Yes, he is. Hall of Famer. Yeah.

So let's see if he does some Hall of Fame-worthy shit. Criminality-wise, he's a Crime and Sports Hall of Famer. We'll tell you that. June 7, 2018. This is when it all starts. He is arrested. Or, I'm sorry, just after 2.30pm on June 7th in

Encinitas, which is north of San Diego, where he lives. It's where he's from. It's where he lives. Fucking gorgeous. A resident spotted him, who she described as a hulking, muscled, 6'4 man, emerging from her 86-year-old neighbor's mobile home. An 86-year-old

woman's trailer. He's in an old lady's trailer in Encinitas. In Encinitas, which is the last place you'd expect to find him, I would say. If I said, Jimmy, I'll give you 10 guesses on where he is right now, you wouldn't say, an elderly woman's mobile home in Encinitas? I doubt that would ever come out of your mouth, right? He had no shirt on when he came out, which is strange,

and no reason to be there you know the lady confronted him and um he just he wouldn't say anything at first then she said she was going to call the police and he said that quote i'm just looking for my dog in an old lady's trailer with no shirt on which is where your dog usually is and uh they said what dog and he said a red dog clifford that's the first thing he could think of literally not just clifford a red dog named clifford he said he's huge he's fit in a trailer bigger than my car right like i do you have you you'd notice him if you saw him like his head would be dipping out popping out from behind your trailer that's a panic answer a red dog oh my dog is not clifford what

is it what the fuck are you talking about that is maybe the worst excuse i'm looking for my it's a little fish nemo i'm looking for him i lost him like what are you talking about bad bad job my dog scoob was kidnapped by four kids have you seen him one of the girls if she loses her glasses she can't see shit. It's bad. I think the dog, he might be stoned. Eats a lot of big sandwiches. If you see a dog with a big, like a deli sandwich, hit me up.

That's probably him. I got these Scoob snacks for him. So the woman said that there's no dogs here. There's no dog here. So he just hopped in his black SUV and left. But she called the cops on him. She thought something was awry. Based on the big red dog answer.

Based on Clifford. She's an older lady, so who knows if she knew the reference. She did. Even if you didn't know it, it sounds stupid. It sounds fake. I don't know why. So, yeah, they end up catching up to him, and they pull him over, and they arrest him on a charge of burglary. Oh.

Because he was seen coming out of a woman's house with no authorization to be there. Right. So he's arrested for burglary of an old woman's trailer in Encinitas. Embarrassing. After he made $43 million in his career. So they're like, remember i remember when this happened everyone was like why was he in a like everyone was like does he confused right was he like he has some cte problems or was he drunk did he do like a robert downey jr like wake up on

somebody's roof because he's fucking on dope or what's going on here but uh anyway he posts fifty thousand dollars bail and is released and his publicist has a simple explanation for this, obviously. And I remember this coming out, too. And I was like, well, yeah, obviously he's not, like, stealing shit from an old lady in a trailer. What the fuck does she have? She says that the publicist says, quote, an overreactive neighbor called police after she saw Kellen walking around a mobile home. mobile home um basically while this mr winslow emphatically denies committing any burglary he would have no need to burglarize or steal anything from anyone at a trailer park wow that is insulting he looks forward to being vindicated once this matter is fully investigated and adjudicated

through the court system he also says not only that that he was looking for a place for his mother to live he was looking for a place to buy for his mom and just touring people just said this one looks good let me look around let's see how this lady has it decorated see your mom would like this door in you're an nfl player that's made 40 plus million dollars you're gonna buy your mom a trailer man fuck you no that's the worst thing you've done so far your mom has half the salary of a hall of Famer. I think she's all right. She's good. So now at this point, they took it. They started saying it was a profiling thing and it was a racial thing. And so the hashtag house hunting while black started trending because of this, because he said he was looking for a place.

And that's why they did that. Now that happens. But not this time. Wait for the fact. That happen that does happen of course not now it didn't have so he's going to court but uh on the day he was this is amazing he goes to court to go to court for this whole thing and uh instead of just going to court and having it you know whatever, he's rearrested at court that day. And this time he's charged with nine counts of things here. And we'll talk about what they are.

Apparently, deputies have kept him under surveillance after he bailed out of jail on June 8th. And then after that, he right away, as soon as he got home, he tried to sell his Hummer like immediately. And they thought that was suspicious of why he was doing that so uh this is uh uh quote the san diego sheriff's department in the investigation of each of these separately reported incidents incidents did an excellent job of tying all the leads together being able to conduct a thorough investigation which ultimately ultimately led to our ability to charge in this case want to find out what he did something a little bit bigger um they say that obviously the break-in in the trailer he didn find out what he did something a little bit bigger um they say that obviously the breaking into the trailer he didn't steal anything he didn't hurt anybody but it was

a critical clue to place into a timeline and place into another into a series of events oh no that happened um he's been doing this he is charged in a string of sexual attacks. Oh, sweet Jesus. From March to May 2018. So basically he did the spring football thing, didn't make it, and then went on a fucking sexual attack spree after that. For three months. For three months, until he got caught.

Yeah. Because he was still doing it. In June he was looking around trailers for people. This is all in Encinitas, by the way, right around where he lives. What has he been doing? Well, he is accused of targeting five women ages 54 to 86 what 86 is that woman in the trailer so whatever but 50 because they said that he was uh the charges include forcible sodomy oh god rape and kidnapping oh no if convicted he

could face life in prison this is not good what he's been doing um and the 86 year old they're charging him as he was broken to sexually assault somebody because she wasn't there she wasn't there that's what ended up happening so in two of the cases he found victims as they hitchhiked drove to remote locations and raped them we'll tell about it we'll tell exactly what happened but just to give an overview here the incidents linked to both rape charges share certain similarities in each instance the woman got into the vehicle was driven to an isolated spot where she was attacked and was driven there under the false pretense of we're going somewhere else either to a ride or he's taking him out to a lunch or something like that and then he drives they all say as he's driving then the conversation ends once you're like hey we're all the coffee shops we just passed everything he

won't talk anymore he's just sullen yeah and he's taking you somewhere for bad things um yeah the first victim she'd been hitchhiking when she got into the vehicle reported that uh he told her if she screamed he would murder her oh boy and this we'll find out more details. He threatened to kill the second rape victim as well. And those two rape cases count for the first six charges. And there's others. On May 24th, he doesn't even, like, there's not even a set thing that he does. On May 24th, a 55-year-old woman was gardening. This is a Vietnamese woman.

She's from Vietnam. The reason I say that. So her English later on isn't that great, which makes her hilarious on the stand. woman was gardening this is a vietnamese woman she's from vietnam the reason i say that um so her english later on isn't that great which makes her hilarious on the stand just amazingly funny and awesome on the stand so she is gardening pruning flowers when someone approaches her and commented on the flower she's pruning very nice she uh they spoke and she turned to walk away but she felt him following her so she turned around and saw him two feet behind her with his erect penis exposed what in her front yard in

broad daylight cock out cock out how about that how about pruning some of this um yeah she ran inside and told her husband and called the police and uh so that's charged as a misdemeanor and decent exposure. June 1st of that year, 71-year-old woman found him inside her mobile home and confronted him, initially afraid of why he was there. The man told her he was looking for a particular unit the same number as hers. I'm looking for this number. And she told him to try another park in the area maybe you're got your trailer parks confused and he left that was that so uh the first two said they were raped after getting into the vehicle

and all of that so these all happen in encinitas so he is charged with kidnapping rape and forced oral copulation on a 54 year old woman in march rape, and sodomy of a 59-year-old woman in May, indecent exposure in May, burglary with the intent to rape a 71-year-old woman, and burglary with intent to rape an 86-year-old woman. By the way, this isn't it. No? There's more. What? Oh, yeah. There's more.

Don't worry. So, the final charge, like we talked about, was the trailer incident there. She was in there but was asleep. So I don't know if he couldn't show her his dick and didn't get excited and walked out. Sleeping chicks aren't hot. I don't know what he was about. You'd think an 86-year-old woman is going to get you hot no matter what. But, oh, boy.

So, yeah. His lawyer denied all the allegations. He says this is his lawyer, Brian Watkins. You got to give these guys there. He says, quote, Of course not. He didn't do these things. Obviously. Jesus, what are we talking about here?

Wait till the facts come out. He's not a monster. Right. His wife, Janelle, trying hard to earn a shana mayfield award nomination real hard she says quote on behalf of our son and my husband we want to reiterate our love support and affection for him during this difficult process we will always be there for him and we know the true facts will come out this one's like ma leave me out of this unfortunately they are going to come out. Yeah. Oh, boy. So his old coach here, he says that, you know, he agrees with this whole thing. He says, this is a great quote.

This is a coach in college. Quote, he showed the signs of being a perv, but clearly it has escalated. This is another level. I mean, he's always been a fucking weirdo, but I mean, it wasn't like raping old ladies. This is crazy. I've seen all my players' dicks. His the most. So much. i was our mascot yeah in 2003 like that was on the flag that the band carried out it was wild it was a really long flag so i mean these people are all

like jesus christ i feel his wife i feel terrible for because she has no idea right about any of this right and now she's finding out her husband when he says he's going to boston market he's whacking it in front of people and raping all ladies this is insanity i mean his kids too i mean his kids five yeah pretty soon people are going to start knowing poor jay connecting that together jaylen jay i mean i feel bad for all these people jimmy but not nearly as bad as I feel for Kellen Winslow. Jesus Christ. Athletic director at Central State University.

Oh, that poor bastard. Kellen Winslow, experienced team leader, public speaker, and advocate for student athletes. That might be his dad. I'm not sure. Kellen Winslow, master's student in forensic psychology at the University of Denver Graduate School. How many masturbator jokes does he hear? Yeah, he's like, come on. Yes, I have a master's in masturbation.

Yes, forensic masturbation. You're right. Kellen Winslow, news acquisitions editor and camera operator at CTV News in London, Ontario, Canada. And Kellen Winslow, photocopier operator and MS DOS installation installation at Ryan net press in Ghana. They're still working on MS. I was going to say, where is that?

And then I saw gone. I was like, okay, it's either Ghana or Mississippi. One of the two, the brand new camp that's behind a few years. Yeah. Friend,

new compact. We got this sweet fucking Dell. This is nice. It's got a move on it's got a pentium two processor in it it's pretty sweet so why the fuck is he doing this yeah so some press people asked some psychology professors why a person would do this this is dr neil malamuth who's a social scientist and professor professor of psychology at at UCLA specializing in sexual violence. And he said that his stardom, fame and wealth may have actually played into his actions.

He says, quote, You'd think he'd have access to any number of women. But our research research indicates that sexual arousal to power over women, arousal to being able to subdue women. Hostility towards women are parts of being an entitled narcissistic personality these are the primary risk factors for a man becoming a rapist men of privilege are often at the greatest of risk think of a lot of men think of a lot of the men who have been recently identified through the me too movement yeah yeah he's talking about weinsteins and all of them right yeah the power plays into it right and especially someone whose power is waning they're gonna extra try to hold on to it and he knows this is wrong and that is that why he's going after older women because they don't

they wouldn't be able to identify him i mean maybe that's it's that or they're an easier target physically or he might be into older women he might have a weird fetish too we don't know so the ages here as we'll talk about because there's more coming up here the wow okay um yeah there's we're gonna not gonna give any other names they're jane doe one through five as we'll talk about we don't need to we don't need to do that uh most of the places jane doe them up and then they know their names came out but they wanted to be Jane Doe so they're Jane Doe here so Kellen says it's all bullshit it's all bullshit he says quote

it's a money grab oh boy it's a money grab unfortunately that's the society we live in now no it's not wow smoke there's fire pal how about we live in a society where an NFL player will go rape a fucking senior

citizen that's the society we're living in that's fucked up that's way more fucked up than that so yeah so in the investigation the topic of pornography came up obviously um they served search warrants on his home and they found pornography searches involving elders no yeah he's in the old people oh my god that's what he's into man he's searching elder porn what the fuck man he's into not not even like milf or something he's like now it's like 32 i need 73 that's where you get to when you when you fucking exhaust all porn there's nothing left you've got to get more depraved he's walking through a desert and he just he found a rock and he looked under he goes what's under here and he's like old broads i'll take a shot at it what

the fuck let's see if eventually that's what you do you find because you don't know anymore yeah and eventually the porn is just watching people at target because that's live and works like i don't know what his fucking deal is here so yeah the they did petition to keep that out of the court as evidence oh i'm sure anyway, his now March comes around. He's on released on bail, but he's on house arrest. Like he's got a monitor on him. But in March, his bail is revoked because he was accused of more shit. So they revoked his fucking bail.

One of the things he's accused of is lewd conduct toward a 77 year old woman in a gym oh boy in february of 2018 this is jane doe number five they alleged that um in january by the way he also another charge here he contacted an 18 year old high school student who was walking home from school and commented that he had seen her in the area the last couple of days. He told her that he thought she was cute. Wow. And asked her for her phone number. Oh, no. He asked how old she was and where she lived, but she

said no and wouldn't go near him. I gotta go. She was smart. Yeah. Wouldn't go near him. She didn't get into his car, but she went into a friend's home who lived nearby. So the parents of that friend contacted police because he was like rolling up next to her. Hey, you're cute. What's up with you?

Hey, where you live? I'm 30. Hey, I'm 35. Never mind. 30 is 35 years old. Damn it. Fucking gross, dude. Get your head out of your ass.

She's literally in high school. Right. So May of 2019. Get in. Chris D'Elia's new special come on we're watching it on my little escalate fucking tv here it's gonna be great she's like i know him no i got a new beaver album he hits me up all the time on instagram it's super weird i don't need to watch i can i can snapchat him i got this so pre-trial of 2009 here he is

charged with 12 criminal counts including seven felonies stemming from the accusations of five different accusers this isn't all by the way um taking place here uh now outside the court he comes in and out uh they said this is what the local Fox affiliate said. Do you have anything? Quote, is there anything you want to say to your fans out there? That's what they asked. I coming out of a court for five. Are you out of your fucking mind? Listen, in L.A., all of the dude, all of the TV stations think they have to be TMZ.

It's fucking gross. This is San Diego, too. They're trying to be everywhere in California. That's all they ask. What do you say to the people that love you? Who cares? G all they ask. What do you say to the people that love you? Who cares? Gives a fuck. What do you say to people who accuse you of rape?

I would say he says, quote, I'm innocent to the people who know me out there, who know what type of person I am, know my character, my NFL friends and family, my regular friends and family. They know who I am. I got this. I'm good now. So, yeah. I got this.

I'm good now. So, yeah. So a friend of his here, or I'm sorry, his publicist said that she believes steadfastly in his innocence. She says, I've seen him grow from a young boy into a man, and I know his secrets. Like when he dated multiple women or he was late to a meeting. Shut up, bitch. And they weren't drastic. Stop telling all my secrets.

Of course, anyone would be surprised at the arrest when you've known someone that long. These are guys that are hyper sexually active. And there are guys in my career that I've been concerned about with that. Kellen is never one of them. So for this to happen to him is extremely depressing. Happened to him. It's very sad. So there's 10 days of testimony in the trial he shows up wearing his you know nicest most sensitive looking pair of glasses he can find and uh takes notes you know

and his little legal pad and all that shit very stringer bell yeah he's a total stringer bell in in college class like he's taking notes looking up making that face like i can't decide like romeo cornell trying to figure out what play just happened. Like, what the fuck is going on? Very interesting. Very interesting. Yeah, that's how it's happening here. So that's what he's doing.

He didn't like, you know, he had high-priced attorneys, obviously, and all that sort of shit. So Winslow doesn't say a word. He doesn't testify. His lawyer says, quote, we didn't have to. This is ridiculous jane doe number one 55 year old woman 54 at the time she met him um she had a rough life and she's she's got it rough she's a hitchhiker she's a hitchhiker yeah uh march 17 2018 she was hitchhiking when he picked her up drove her to a more secure secluded area and raped her and threatened to kill her. During one of the preliminary hearings, she misidentified one of Winslow's attorneys, Brian Watkins, as Winslow, because I guess Winslow had changed his look before that hearing and came in with clean shaven and with glasses.

And the lawyer looked at the same look he used to have okay okay so they made a big deal about that she's 55 years old they said she's petite dark-haired woman who was on the uh this is saint patrick's day 2018 by the way he likes doing this on holidays he's got a mother's day rape in his back pocket so holidays babe that's what he likes i don't get it he's that's how he celebrates yeah some people have a parade they get drunk whatever he finds a lot of people have sex on holidays i mean yeah so uh she apparently uh was walking to some nearby stores and uh there's a big hill there outside of this so she decided to try to hitchhike because she was tired that's when a black hummer h2 pulled up and a man uh who called

himself dominique he gave by the way he's always got a fake name really he called himself dominique but it's kellen offered to drive her about a mile and a half down uh santa fe to vulcan avenue okay up and over a hill so uh she said he seemed friendly and so she climbed in and she said that his mood changed quickly and she said quote uh he said quote i'm not going to take you to vulcan i'm going to take you to the store and fuck you that's what he says um yeah she was like um no she said um maybe just let me out instead um she says quote while in her testimony i just begged him just pull over right here you don't have to drive me anymore if that's what you're upset about like whatever it is i just

went out of this fucking car i am so sorry yeah uh but he uh was not taking no for an answer she's only five foot tall this girl too and petite too this woman she said she believed that he had a gun on him um because he intimated that he had a weapon in his left pocket shorts he said if you do anything or if you say anything i will kill you she said i just froze he said i'm going to do this in the grocery store parking lot if you don't do this i'm going to kill you uh and he says that he he said that he's going to get this done he's going to fuck me no matter what oh my god um winslow drove the car behind a von supermarket that anchors a shopping center there he parked next to two empty cars he ordered her out of the car um she got out of the car she said that it was a busy shopping center on a

saturday afternoon they're parked 50 feet away from the open doors of a sushi restaurant there's a dry cleaner a 24-hour fitness and everything like that so his lawyers are like well why didn't you run away and call for help why didn't you run away call for help probably because he's terrified i mean a six five telling me i'm fucking you no matter what i'd be terrified so she said what he they said why didn't you call 9-1-1 on your phone well he probably wouldn't have let me i would think she said she was overcome with fear she said said, I was scared. I was really scared to death. I really don't know why I didn't defend myself because you're fucking scared.

That happens. So, yeah, at that point, he said that she was trying to get out of it. And he said, no, I'm I'm going to fucking fuck you. He said. Then he took out his erect penis and told her to suck this. Yeah. Okay. you he said then he took out his erect penis and told her to suck this yeah okay she then stopped questioning to declare that she wanted to talk about his penis okay she stopped and she said

i'd like to talk about his penis this is dead serious she said with great emphasis that it was gigantic oh my god she couldn't express how large his penis was. She said that she at this, she held her hands in a big circle like she was holding a tree branch in the article. And he is sitting there in glee. Oh, that he likes. This is his favorite part of the testimony. She said, I was thinking no one could possibly have a penis that large. I looked over at the jurors and the author saying, looked over at the jurors, and this is the author saying, looked over at the jurors,

and many of them were laughing, which this is not, it's funny, but it's not funny if she's sitting there. It's not funny at all. That's how funny ditches are. But she was kind of fun. She was kind of laughing about it at the time,

not after a second. So anyway, the courtroom was laughing, and she said that, she said, how am I supposed to put my mouth on that? My mouth is not that big. So then she said she leaned over and demonstrated how she tried he again threatened to kill her so she said what are you going to kill me with and he touched his shorts as though

he had a weapon yeah that's when that happened so then he had her turn around and uh she was now on the outside of the vehicle what and he raped her in a parking lot during the day yeah he loves this yeah it's danger she said then i guess he tried to do it anally so he's trying to do it again she said she screamed in pain he picked her up and put her on the seat and choked her and she said she uh as the lawyer tried to uh you know they tried to talk about this a little bit more and um so they asked did you actually feel him yeah you know all right enter you back there and she said all i know is it hurt so this is uh yeah that's where you forget things yeah so basically they make several they tell her she, the defense attorneys talk about all the multiple opportunities she had for an easy escape and all of this shit. And anyway, there is DNA analysts testified there was traces of Winslow's sperm mixed with her blood on the crotch of the white panty she turned over to authorities.

So that's pretty solid evidence right there. What's your sperm do? How many ladies are walking around Phoenix with your sperm in their fucking pants right now? Zero. Who gots? Exactly. Not a one. Yep.

So, yeah, that's fucking wild. So, yeah, this is her charges led to all of this shit here. This is kind of one of the first. This is the first rape charge. So they told her, like, I don't like how they keep fucking with her though they keep asking like uh you know well why'd you do this well why didn't you do that it doesn't matter on cross-examination they asked her about the formation of a gofundme page seeking fifty thousand dollars on behalf of her mother and uh so they try to get her with that sort of shit matter again doesn't matter sperm in her pants raped or not end of story that's the end of it that's it they tried to

play it off like this was just a consensual relationship and that she was into this so hitchhikers yeah that's what they're looking for always wow i hope somebody picks me up and has sex with me against my will right jane doe number two okay is a 58 year old homeless woman oh no yes um she had to be reminded multiple times to speak loudly enough to speak and talk in the microphone she's meek yeah her testimony though she definitely had some some shit to say um at one point she asked the defense attorney to move away from winslow so that she wouldn't have to look at her attacker because he was asking questions standing by she's like I don't want to look at him can you fucking move away from him she described Winslow as Kevin that's what she knew him as offering her rides I guess he would stop and see

her a lot offer her rides sometimes he dropped food off for sometimes he'd bring her a coffee drop her guard he's grooming yeah he's grooming her um so she thought he was just this nice guy and a you know well clearly a wealthier guy in a nice car who's charitable clearly at one point she said though he offered her 50 for sex and she said i'm not that kind of i'm not that kind of girl basically i may be maybe in a bad place but that's not why so no i'm homeless not a prostitute exactly she's like i'm not doing that. So that's fine. So on May 13th, 2018, he picked her up with an offer to take her out for coffee. Can I go out for coffee?

And she said, sure. But instead, he pulled her over and choked her and raped her from behind. And raped her from behind while standing outside the passenger side of the vehicle, then ejaculated into the roadside dirt. Wow. Just gross. That's just gross. Yeah. That's a guy that's seen CSI apparently, though.

I mean, yeah. But he doesn't know that there's still some in there, sir. It's still in there, dude. Yeah, like the last one. Right. So at one point, his lawyer, Callum's lawyer, asked her if she had told her friends about the $50 offer before that. And she said, what does that have to do with the rape?

And she said, that's what I don't understand, especially since I said no to the $50 offer. I don't know why you're fucking asking me that. She said that she told him, please don't do this, after he pulled over on the side of the road and told her that they were going to have sex. In response, he said, quote, it's a done deal. Oh, boy. Oh, my God. And, yeah, he said, quote, it's a done deal. Oh, boy. Oh, my God. And, yeah, he choked her and threatened to keep her quiet. She said, I just put my head down.

I was waiting for it to be over. This is a woman who's had a hard life and has had this happen to her probably before. She's homeless. I can't imagine what she's been through. Someone who says, I just put my head down and wait for it to be over. This isn't. She's been through it before. Yeah, she's had a rough life.

She said afterwards, he wouldn't even look at me anymore. She said she got back in the vehicle and he dropped her off in nearby Encinitas before driving away. She said the next day, a friend of hers reported persuaded her to report the incident after she the friend said something was wrong and she told her. report the incident after she the friend said something was wrong and she told her um so the friend said quote she said she was taken somewhere and she said she was raped because the friend also testifies now kellen senior's there the entire time what he's in the courtroom all this oh he's i fucking the the he's i fucking these women he's i fucking the the defense attorney or the prosecutors he's i fucking the judge he's talking prosecutors. He's eye fucking the judge. He's talking shit about everybody.

He's an asshole in this whole thing. He's there. He said that he's always going to be there for his family and blah, blah, blah. And they got brought a bunch of relatives there. During the trial, he'd bring relatives back and forth to the bathroom. He acted like he was like the tour guide, Kellen Sr., of the courthouse. back and forth to the bathroom. He acted like he was like the tour guide,

Gellan Sr., of the courthouse. On one occasion, he accused a news station staffer carrying a microphone in his pocket of secretly recording family conversations and petitioned bailiffs to have the man removed. And instead, the bailiff moved him to another section. He's like, yeah, whatever, just go over there. On another occasion, he accused a reporter of following his ex-wife in a car during a lunch break.

And when the guy, the reporter said, quote, do you think your son needs help? And Winslow gave him a hard glare. That's not the only thing he'll say, too, because he he yells at the prosecutor at one point at the prosecutor while it's happening, while it's happening. Oh, boy. Now, his wife at this point, Janelle, remember her? Oh, tell me. it's happening oh boy uh now his wife at this point janelle remember her oh tell him junior's wife here um she appeared aside her husband while entering and exiting the preliminary hearings but made no appearances at the trial until the closing arguments okay and uh yeah by the way during the trial they had their 13th wedding anniversary isn't that sweet if she didn't show up during the trial somebody told her what the evidence that sweet? If she didn't show up during the trial, somebody told her,

it's evidence day, don't show up today. But it's going to look bad to have you sitting there because all the jury's going to look at you and see how you're reacting to this. Not good. So Jane Doe, number three. A 59-year-old Vietnamese woman that we talked about here.

She got cock-flashed and went and got her husband. She had to testify through a translator she said that she uh encountered winslow in front of her house twice she said that on the first occasion a man rode up on a bicycle he's an avid cyclist they said approached her introduced himself as david and asked if she was married she said yes and walked away on the second second occasion, which was May 24th, that's when she was cutting flowers and he whipped his cock out. And she said, though, that she did not see his face well. She explained in court that in the Vietnamese culture, it's impolite to look a stranger directly in the face.

Also, there was an enormous cock in my yard. Plus, I was distracted by a, quote, gigantic penis that was rock hard and pointed at me. That was now out in my yard. And threatening to come near me closer. Putting shade on my petunias. She said her physical description, she said the cyclist was muscular. At first, she said he was shorter than he was.

So there was that. She said, quote, I was cutting flowers, and he was right there. He walked up behind me. He asked if I was cutting a lot of flowers. I said, quote, I was cutting flowers and he was right there. He walked up behind me. He asked if I was cutting a lot of flowers. I said, only these flowers. Then she tried to walk away and he wouldn't leave. And she said, oh, no, he didn't want to see the flowers. I was walking toward the orange tree and he was following me.

He took his pants off and exposed his penis to me. I said, no, no, no, and walked away. She said he just pulled his shorts down enough so that he exposed himself to her he was wearing like a tight biking outfit basically so she went and awoken woke her husband from a nap and then she called police quote because he came to my house and showed me his penis that's very sick yeah so yeah the question was uh that's gross james he pulled his like elastic waisted shorts down to show the dick and she was like no no no no no no no no no yeah the pickup line kellen's not bad so they as they did not the prosecutors didn't ask her

to identify him in court and it's not clear if she knew that he was even there because she kept her head down on the stand. She said Vietnamese customs not to look people in the face are strangers. She said, I don't care about him. I don't look at him. That's what she said on the stand. Then on the stand, she said that she did not know the height of the man, but she surmised that he was smaller than this deputy who was there, who who stands six foot three, six foot four and weighs about 250 pounds. She says, quote,

that person is not as fat as the deputy because the deputy is very fat. Which is when a foreign accent is just hilarious in the court of law. That is fucking wonderful. He's like, okay. Apparently the officer is actually a big weightlifter, but he had a bulletproof vest on and all that shit,

so he looks fatter than he was. She was like, great, I'm fat fat now so between the tattoos that she identified though oh because he's covered in tats and the gps data from a cycling app that placed him in the area at the time of the question idiot it's enough uh to kind of get that now jane doe number four jane doe number four is 33 years old but she is coming forward from an incident from June of 2003. Oh, yeah. June 2003. She was 17 and he was 19 at the time.

Yes. And they had a consensual encounter at one point and then a not so consensual encounter. Apparently, she was living with her family when she saw him get arrested for all this shit. And she said that she saw an article and was like, holy shit, that's the guy. She said, all of a sudden I see his face and I freak. I click on it and I'm just like, no way. I start crying. That's what she says here.

She feels so guilty. So bad. She's going to expect to see his face. But she's got to feel like if she would have said something back then, this wouldn't have happened. Yeah. It's not your fault, girl. No. They would have. like if she would have said something back then this wouldn't have happened yeah it's not your fault girl no they would have 2003 they would have rushed us right under the rug with him and football and everything no fucking way yeah it would have just hurt you um so she's they asked her why'd she waited 15 why'd she wait 15 years and she

reacted angrily to certain questions about you know shit like that from the defense uh she said this was her second meeting with winslow was the problem after having consensual sex with him at a party two weeks earlier in that encounter she said the sex was interrupted when his friend matt entered the room god damn it matt and kellen said oh he's just gonna watch oh no he's not. She said, no, she's not okay with that shit. I'm 17. This is one of my first experiences. Yeah, he's not. Matt's not going to watch. Sorry.

This is when I'm 39 and I'm fucking tired of fucking you. That's when this happens. When I need some weird shit to spice up the fucking collection here. When I'm into elder porn. Right. It's right before my elder porn. That's what you do there. So she said that she wasn't okay with that and and she got upset, and she left without incident.

So that was fine. About two weeks later, I mean, he gave it a shot. What are you going to do? About two weeks later was the night in question. She said that she had had two or three beers, and she went with Winslow to another party where she entered the bathroom to try to sober up. She said he knocked on the bathroom door, and she came out and sat on the couch. She said at some point, she doesn't remember exactly how we got to another place.

She says, nobody gave me anything, she doesn't think. She doesn't think. She said she wasn't given drinks or drugs that night or anything like that. She's even been to a hypnotist to try to explain the gap in the memory here. After going to the couch, she doesn't remember anything except regaining consciousness like that she's even been to a hypnotist to try to explain the gap in the memory here after going to the couch she doesn't remember anything except regaining consciousness when she was on a bed in

a bedroom on all fours with winslow raping her from behind and matt in front of her with his pants down oh no trying to stick his dick in her face right so she said winslow was pushing her head toward matt's groin area and in response she pushed back and told him to stop um she said Winslow was pushing her head toward Matt's groin area. And in response, she pushed back and told him to stop. She said that she remembers, you know, doesn't know how she got there, doesn't know exactly what happened. She said she was just telling him to just stop, just stop. Now, Kellen's lawyers are suggesting that because she said something escalated. So they lock on to that and they start talking about escalation and talking about maybe this the whole incident escalated into this so it's you know it was voluntary she said i don't know the fact that i said stop stop stop and he said once again your

words were escalate i'm just wondering why so she says because it escalated to the point where someone is penetrating me with his fucking penis. When someone tells you to stop, you stop, okay? Great fucking answer. Thank you, asshole lawyer man. Fuck me. Jesus, somebody drag him out in the fucking street and rape him. I would love for that guy in the middle of that. It's one thing.

Everybody needs a defense. That's great. But when you're badgering a girl like that, I want you to be dragged outside and raped in front of all of your clients. All of them. When she says I was raped and you try to turn uh you explain right while you're being raped i can't get away from this this is crazy that's why it's rape because i don't have a fucking choice that's the point jesus christ there's a cock inside me that i do

not want yeah so she said that matt got up, but Kellen flipped her onto her back and continued the assault here. She said that Matt told Winslow to stop and helped her get dressed and leave. The guy actually, the other friend actually helped. She never reported the incident to law enforcement until then. So, yeah, she said that she has two young daughters and it made her come forward so that makes sense matt's a good dude it sounds apparently or at least half decent i mean they were like he was like let's go eiffel tower this chick and he was like all right i mean if she's into it but then when she wasn't into it he was like hey fucking hands off jesus christ matt

probably thought she's into this that's what i mean well i mean if you say if someone said no kellen i can't get hard this ain't cool for me like and you shouldn't be doing it either let's let me help her get dressed not only did he stop he helped her help extricate her from the situation because she clearly wasn't into it please god damn it more guys do that for fuck's sake do that so um yeah i he's she says i look at two innocent girls and would never want them to ever feel like they didn't have a voice yeah obviously um she said that she didn't have a voice. Yeah. She said that she didn't think anybody would believe her, especially considering how famous he got and that his father was so famous, especially in San Diego and all that sort of shit.

So, yeah, her story was also backed up by two people who testified here. a u.s marine uh said that that she told them uh previous years about being sexually assaulted by him and another boyfriend an ex-boyfriend said that she had nightmares about it when they were living together um however he said that she told him the assault took place in a car but who knows for years so anyway um yeah this is this is fucked up man she said i remember screaming no yeah that's bad jane doe number five a 77 year old woman who works out regularly with her husband at a crunch gym in carlsbad california yeah she winslow was also working out there february 13th 2019 he was out on bail uh for all this shit um she testifies that he was exercising at him she She was exercising in a machine when Winslow stood in front of her and touched himself through his clothing, asking if she liked it.

77 while he's on bail while he's on bail. She said that, and it was him. She came. Wow. From time to time, she said she'd seen him before from time to time. He always moved his head to the left of where I was,

but it's not unusual. People look at at other people look at other people on machines sometimes waiting for the person to finish the machine to use it to see how much time there's got you know it's the gym yeah it's you know you're scoping right so uh she said winslow was using machines similar to a some thigh thing i don't know ah the pussy spreader yeah she said he had his legs open and he was touching his penis and he was just kind of stroking or something like that the moment i saw that happening is when i uh when i was right next to him she said that uh you know he was stroking his penis she said that's when she noticed it because she was right next to him she said i want i want for him to leave he didn't belong there so i asked him to leave the machine he asked me i asked

him to let me use the machine uh winslow got up from the machine and left she said i was so upset i was feeling so bad but i only wanted him to leave i don't want to make i don't want for him to make me scared i want to continue i wanted to continue my routine so later that day she uh she said that he returned and walked right up to her, walked up four feet away and began doing stretches while displaying an erection. Yeah. So she said, I wanted to say something, but I couldn't. So I was just probably frozen in fear. And he said to me with a very funny and happy face, do you see this pointing to his penis? Hey, look what I got.

Like, he's got a fucking ice cream cone. This is why johnny knoxville's a menace because he made this shit uh yeah he was doing this in in fucking yeah but to his friends right no he would walk up to strangers with his balls fake balls hanging yeah yeah yeah as a bad bad grandpa or whatever yeah he wasn't raping though no no no she said he said do you like it and uh when he said that to me it looks looks like it just looks like I woke up and I reacted because I wanted him to. I wanted to ask him to leave me alone to move from there, but I couldn't. It was like I couldn't talk.

But at that moment when he said, do you like it? My reaction was raising my voice. What did you just say to me? So she said that he left and went downstairs shortly after she spotted her husband and thought i will never ever share this with anybody i won't report him i'm just going to keep this to myself forever so she said she didn't want to report him because she didn't know how her husband would react okay she said i didn't want to put my husband in any kind of trouble he's gonna go attack him with a fucking tire iron he's a bad dude i guess he's a 75 year old fucking badass he

kills people for less that's all i'm saying that's what i'm saying he's done 75 year old fucking badass. He kills people for less. That's all I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. He's done it before. But I guess in the car ride home, she changed her mind and told her husband what happened. She said, I told him he's a tall black guy with tattoos all over his arms. And that's all I said to him. So he the husband went to report the incident, but she refused.

And then he didn't see her. She didn't see him at the gym again until February 22nd. She was in the hot tub. She thought she was alone. She said, I was in the jacuzzi for a few minutes, and then I saw a person standing by the men's locker room wearing the same exactly that he wore on the first incident. I guess the same outfit.

She said that he grabbed a drink from the water cooler and looked at her as he drank he then returned to the men's locker room a few minutes later i can see a silhouette next to the door and he's bending down trying to do something to his leg and i'm thinking he's just trying to scare me so shortly after she said he came out again by this time he's only wearing a small towel around his waist god damn it she described the towel as a small one the gym provides to wipe down the machines not the larger ones used for showering oh my god like a tiny he's got like a loincloth like a hand towel around his cock his giant cock the towel rested roughly six inches

above his knee she said she said he's looking at me and just kind of smiling and he pointed at his bathing suit on top of the bag like happy like showing me his bathing suit was there yep not on him what do you see that yeah so she said he was implying that he wasn't wearing one she said he walked toward the hot tub toward the hot tub where she could only stare at the water in fear she said he came and sat right by my side she uh he sat there for about 18 inches away from her she said i couldn't do anything i guess when you're so afraid you're just kind of frozen you can't move you can't do anything i'm just sitting there then she said he began to masturbate oh my his hand was down in the water and all i notice is his arm the hot tub jets

were on and she describes a layer of foam in the water making it difficult to see under the water but she said he was masturbating i can feel the water coming from his side to my side oh god she said that i don't want to look at him i don't want to talk to him i don't want to see him so i just look at the foam i don't know what else to do i was petrified she said that um he touched her with his right hand he touched her left arm he grabbed my arm she said with his leg he touched my left leg with his foot and then she moved toward the wall to try to avoid him she said i was able to ask him was that your foot that just touched my left leg with his foot. And then she moved toward the wall to try to avoid him. She said, I was able to ask him, was that your foot that just touched my leg? And his answer was at the moment, if the jets go off, how do we put them back on?

Okay. So at this point, she noticed a third person got into the hot tub and that third person then got up and left. So she said that he then started rubbing his hands very happy. And he said, it feels so good. So, yeah, shortly after, her husband entered the area. As soon as I saw my husband, I left the jacuzzi and went to the big pool and went and talked to my husband. She said she didn't tell her husband about the incident immediately, but she pointed him out to her husband to show her the man from the first incident. She said, I was just thinking, why me?

Why is this the second time this happens to me? So, yeah uh yeah soon after he left the hot tub and took off there the husband reported the incident to the gym's manager and so there was that um yeah so he wants porn to be his life yeah he just wants it to all be porn every day every live porn just whatever he wants always to be porn old lady in a hot tub porn so uh she said she just wanted him kicked out of the gym nothing more she wasn't looking for anything more um so the so there's that now forensics here this is the scottsdale police department forensic scientist here mike palermo scott uh dna samples found inside of his hummer now these are from six different locations inside the SUV. The front passenger side door panel, the front passenger side seatbelt,

the rear passenger side seatbelt, the rear driver side seatbelt, the rear middle seat area, and the rear floorboard area. They found a DNA sample matched Winslow's profile, but excluded the possibility of Jane Doe's 1 and 2 ZNA. Semen stains were found in the rear middle seat and rear floorboard areas.

Jesus Christ. Coming all over this thing. The DNA fucking the DNA profile obtained from the item matched, matched Kellen Winslow. What's his car? Of course, he's going to jerk off in it. He also said examples from the front passenger side seatbelt and the rear

seatbelt provided inconclusive results. The rear passenger side seatbelt and the rear seatbelt provided inconclusive results. The rear passenger side seatbelt, the results excluded Jane Doe 1 and were inconclusive for Jane Doe 2. The prosecutors were saying that he was trying to sell his car because there's fucking, you know. There's jizz everywhere. There's jizz everywhere. There's just forensic evidence all over it. Jizz spatter is a serious thing. My God.

So the verdict. Let's see here. Let's start with the counts that didn't work out here. He is acquitted on one lewd conduct charge. Okay? He's acquitted on that. The jury could not reach a verdict on eight of the 12 counts. Really?

Okay? Leading to mistrial on those charges. All right? Now, we'll talk about it. All of them were, more people were voting for guilty than not guilty right now we'll talk about it all of them were more people were voting for guilty than not guilty but we'll talk about that he is convicted though of raping the 58 year old homeless woman and exposing him himself to a 59 year old woman in front of her house and touching himself inappropriately in front of hot hot tub lady

there at the gym um so they said uh the jury on jane doe one's count could not come to a verdict on the verdict on the other three counts linked to the accusations kidnapping forcible rape and forcible oral copulation the jury split on those three charges seven to five in favor of guilt um so jane doe four they couldn't reach a verdict on the two counts forcible rape and rape of an unconscious person connected to her. The jury was split 10 to two in favor of guilt on that one. Oh, boy. And then Jane Doe five, he was found not guilty on the second lewd conduct charges, only acquittal of the 12 counts.

So all of those charges can be retried. So a verdict was not reached on the two other ones, the willful cruelty to an elder and battery against an elder. So he's found guilty on rape, though, for two of them. That's a problem. They put him in prison. They're going to retry him on the remaining charges. Are they really? They're going to retry him.

And when they retry him, they're going for life in prison, they say they want out of this. Good. They want to fucking put him away forever. He is a predator. He's a predator and he's dangerous he's a big giant person who's scary and dangerous and wants to put his dick in you and if he gets every direction he doesn't want somebody that has a story no he's murdering people yeah well how many people has he raped oh how many people has he done this to jimmy all over the country i mean it's ridiculous uh so the retrial is going to be

retried on the remaining charges he will he says he's going to put forth the cte defense what yep uh they said that he's all fucked up in the head and all this type of shit um you know everything they said that uh the lawyer said we've had him evaluated i feel confident we can present something to the judge which will outline the impact of his football playing career. So he's fucking his head. You know how it is? August of 2019, his wife sells their home for $2.85 million. It's in Encinitas. It's a four and a half bedroom.

I'm sorry, four bedroom, four and a half bath. I don't know how you get a half a bedroom. 4,251 square foot house. A closet. Yeah, I guess. A gated property. Big, you know, nice house. It's a fucking nice house. 900 square foot house. That's not a closet. Yeah, I guess. A gated property. Big, you know, nice house. It's a fucking nice house.

900 square foot covered outdoor kitchen area. Wow. Very nice stuff here. Very nice. Half the size of most people's houses. No pool. What? What the fuck are you doing?

Why would you? Why would you do that? So September of 2019, the next month, his wife files for divorce. Finally. What the fuck took you so long? Honestly. First time he's whipping his dick out in front of ladies those papers should be coming down well she thought probably um maybe he wouldn't get convicted so she stuck sticks around so november 5th 2019 we're beginning of the retrials opening statements come out and a few minutes before the opening statements are about to start,

Kellen Winslow yells at the prosecutor. I guess the prosecutor looked back, and Winslow said, Do not look over here. The guy was like, What? And he said, Do not look over here. Look away from me. He yelled at the prosecutor. So they were like, Senior?

Senior. Yeah. Yeah. Senior. They were like, All righty. So Winslow Senior made eye contact with him and yelled at him for it. So anyway, the bailiff motioned Kellen Sr. outside and talked to him, just told him to relax, obviously. So there's a doctor here, Dr. Robert Cantu. He says, the way I view CTE is just like any debilitating brain disorder.

It will bring out genetic problems and make them worse. If you are genetically programmed to have a problem with, for instance, aberrant sexual behavior, put CTE on top of it and it's like pouring gasoline on a fire. It's impulse control. However, you have to balance that with this. The overwhelming majority of people who commit this kind

of acts that Kellen Winslow is alleged to have committed didn't play football in the NFL, didn't have repetitive head trauma, and clearly CTE wasn't why they did that. So, can't put that on there. Right before it's about to start, committed didn't play football in the nfl didn't have repetitive head trauma and clearly cte is and that wasn't why they did that so can't put that on there right before it's about to start yeah kellen pleads guilty of course he does he stops he pleads guilty pleads guilty to raping the unconscious woman in 2003 the 17 year old guilty to sexual battery and for the 54 year old hitchhiker this is to save him life in prison.

Yeah, this is they make a deal that he will not get life in prison. We'll talk about it here. So he's sitting there. We're ready to plead guilty. And the judge asked him, are you going to plead guilty? Like you said, and he said, quote, I guess I have to. And the judge said, no, you don't have to do anything. So it's your decision.

As I've said, we have the jurors out there waiting. Both sides are prepared to give their opening statements. And if you want to insist on your right to a jury trial we're ready to give you a jury trial right now and he says i'm sorry i'm not i'm just not thinking very clearly well yeah you got a couple things on your mind yeah he asked the judge for a couple more minutes and then he finally entered guilty pleas uh moments before he's going to be retried on everything like that the judge uh he told the judge that, quote, I pray to God that he would sentence him to 12 years or more so that he could go home to his family and not life.

In exchange for his plea, they agreed to sentence him to between 12 and 18 years in prison. For this one? For all of it. For all of it. That's going to be a sentencing. He admits, now he's got to actually allocute, though. He admits, he's got to actually allocute though he admits he said

quote i had unlawfully i unlawfully had sexual intercourse with jane doe number four when we were both teens she was 17 i was 19 and she was not my spouse she was at the time unconscious and i do not dispute her memory for purposes of this plea the judge asked did you in fact uh did you in fact do that those facts that make you guilty of the crime. And he paused for several seconds and again said that he wasn't thinking very clearly and then said, yes, yes. So he admitted to it. He also admitted to touching an intimate part of Jane Doe, number one, while she was restrained in fear against her will or for the purpose of sexual arousal. So, yeah, the lawyer said they had to do this basically his lawyer said the downside of any conviction would land him in prison for the rest of his life he made the

decision based on his family his father his children and he wanted to be there for them in the future so accepted by accepting this plea agreement with sentencing range that it has he's got a set number that he has to do rather than spending the rest of his life in prison wow um the prosecutor here said that the he was happy the women didn't have to testify again, even though they were willing to and they would have. He says, quote, each of these victims, they didn't try to come out here in order to frame Mr. Winslow. The fact that they had the courage to come forward and speak with law enforcement and testify to all these things that he had done while facing all these cameras,

I think it was important to me to make sure that the truth was heard and that it was important to me to make sure that he was held accountable for each one of those crimes so um yeah i would say so they have to accept it who the the state of california do they have to accept the plea if somebody offers to play if it's not if it's you can not accept it but it has to be like well out of range because there's sometimes sentencing. There's sometimes a prosecutor will agree in the sentencing range with a deal. And in some states, the judge can not, can fucking ignore that and give them whatever they want. So that has to be weighed into it too, whether you're going to make the deal or not.

So, yeah, that happens now. Jesus Christ. The DA says he does face a possible commitment as a sexually violent predator to an indeterminate term, meaning for the rest of his life into a state hospital if he's found to meet that criteria. And we proceed with a petition to have him committed to a state hospital.

That would not be a determination that would be made until he's eligible for parole at the time of his potential release. So they're going to try to have him put away after as a sexual predator good like put in a mental hospital after he's out of jail they should they should no he's dangerous i don't want him out at all so he would not be able to be automatically automatically released in the into the community until he has at least been evaluated by two psychologists appointed by the state or 10 or 10 or let's just let all of them talk to him so march

18 2020 is sentencing and it is delayed due to covid god damn it delayed due to covid um no sentencing uh they said who knows they're going to try for october he has a hearing on october 15th we don't know if that's going to go on right or if it'll get pushed back again letters from the family kelly that's a final silver word here wow his family said this is a letter from his dad pleading for his you know freedom here i know i now know he was extremely angry with me for suggesting that after his seventh season in the nfl it was time to leave the game he says still he was able to pass the team's medical physical and play another two seasons even if it was was clear to the entire NFL that his career was over, he waited three years for a phone call from an NFL team that was never going to come.

I imagine that this depression deepened as he sought that miracle surgery or device that would take away the pain in his knee and return him to the NFL. So that's the excuse is all. Hey, he was just sad. He was sad about his career, So he needed to rape people. Wow. His mom says, quote, Kellen has expressed remorse for these crimes. As a family, we are strong in faith and we pray for forgiveness of these crimes. And he continues to ask for forgiveness from the victims and their families.

He is suffering and needs medical help. He has never been a problem child or adult and has been a wonderful son all of his life. As a past NFL wife myself, I can honestly say that the NFL injuries, whether it be mentally or physically, are severely crippling those who loved and played the game. He said, This is not the son we raised,

and these accusations were things that Kellen would have never done in his right mind, capitalized. He has always been very polite and kind and a fun loving young man. So, yeah, it comes up basically. You know what? He has to serve 85% of his sentences. How it works. So we know the range.

Let's we need this. You, sir, may fuck off at least 12 years in prison, if not 18. And I hope I would think he's getting the max i think he's getting the fucking full ride here and uh at 18 years he'd have to serve 12 of them right about 85 15 of them about yeah so that's close that's not enough he's still gonna be very able that's what i'm saying enormous cock enormous penis that's not gonna shrink over time so can't get enough well i'm sure there's autographs and shrink over time. So can't get enough? Well, I'm sure there's autographs and jerseys, but you don't fucking want them.

He's a rapist. Be sure to watch him get sentenced. That's something you can watch, and that'll be fun. Fuck this guy. Oh, boy. He's in prison. Fuck Kellen Winslow Jr. right in the ass. He's coming back, James.

Can't stand him. Imagine how scary he is in prison with his giant penis. Jesus Christ. So that's him. Fuck that guy. Goodbye. What a dick. Yeah.

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