Crime in Sports - #229 - Murder Your Problems Away - The Rancorousness of Steve Skinner

Episode Date: October 13, 2020

This week, we explore one of the most unlikely stories we've ever covered. A low level MMA fighter, who only chose to fight as a second career, as it took a back seat to robbing drug dealers, running a drug empire, torturing retirees with hot kitchen utensils, and murdering people in cold blood. He had to stop fighting, due to a little murder rap, that sent him on the run to South America, where he somehow started another mini empire! This story is unreal! Fight professionally as a hobby, have a drug empire as your day job, and run away to another continent to avoid murder charges with Steve Skinner!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder#  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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strange, dark, and mysterious stories on Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello and welcome to Crime and Sports! Yay! Yay indeed, Jimmy, yay indeed! My name is James Petrigallo, I'm here with my co-host i'm jimmy wissman thank you folks so much for joining us we are jacked today and again it's been a wild ride lately great on crime and sports and we have a murderous and one of the weirdest stories ever remember like remember john paul yeah the guy like disappeared into the thing after speedboat guy yeah disappeared there's like dead women at the bottom of of oceans and somebody sent us a

glove that really wasn't the glove but when i opened it i was convinced it was his glove yeah oh that's uh john paul it's kind of a weird oh that one yeah yeah where there's still like an open case yeah daughter's still looking oh everybody everybody's still searching for the woman dead women in the ocean that's a bad. Oh, everybody's still searching for the woman. Dead women in the ocean. That's a bad thing. So that's an early episode here. It's kind of a similar type of situation.

This guy, you would never expect the life that this guy ended up leading and the crime syndicate. And it's absolutely insane coming from a Canadian man. One of the most unexpected criminal histories here ever. I couldn't be more thankful that we started this because I knew zero of Canadians and I've learned so much in terms of what I did know. Yeah.

I say so much, but I still don't know shit. But I know enough to get me in trouble and I'm very impressed with myself. To know little facts to throw out that are not really true. There isn beaver on their money i know that now no but there is children playing hockey i believe that's weird but fucking that's kind of what's going on

here with this case because it's one of these where we have a certain view of canadians yeah you know and even the the criminal canadians we've talked about are still kind of nice right you know what i mean there's a politeness to it. This guy, I don't know how he ended up being Canadian or who raised him or what the shit, because he's the most non-Canadian Canadian that's ever walked the earth. Put it that way. All right. It's wild.

This guy is all America, I feel like. Burning maple leaves. He should have a huge, across across his chest, like a waving tattoo flag and a waving flag tattoo of America's flag because he is that he's all American. I feel like there it's wild shit. So quickly, if you haven't done it yet, please get on Apple podcast, the purple icon there. Give us five stars. Doesn't matter what you say.

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If you eat a whole one of those, you get a- You get Costco chronongitis. It messes up your whole thing. It's Costco costochronditis. It's fucked up is what it is. It mimics a heart attack and that's what i thought i was having yeah and i've had high cholesterol and blood pressure so i thought it was over but you must tell there is no internal problem oh no no no i'm good yeah it's just it's

a muscle it's just bad muscles yeah muscle nerve type of thing so that's good yeah so we didn't lose physical therapy and uh massage and shit like that is gonna fix it but it did scare the shit out of him oh yeah that's all for sure he did get a good fucking scare out of it rich people will tell you all about their fucking massages and how great they are when people need massages a massage isn't a good thing like that sounds terrible right now because i'm in so much pain. I don't want to go and lay down and let somebody touch where it hurts. Yeah.

Rich people haven't made the shit. Really dig into that. Yeah. I've never had one of those massages where they're like, go get a massage. You know what I mean? And enjoy yourself. Never had an enjoy yourself. Relax. No.

Never. It's only, it's a medically needed thing. It's a touch it where it hurts thing. Yeah. That's no good make it hurt worse right jesus christ so here we go let's do this let's get into this jimmy's doing better now yeah that's good it's gonna be brutal to laugh yeah it's gonna be it's gonna hurt in the laugh um so i'm gonna hurt him bad today great we're gonna do everybody if i can knock him out

of his chair i'm gonna do it and he's over he's willing to do it for you that's how much he cares about the audience listen and i'm willing to hurt him i'm only here because you guys did this that's right so let's get into it with a crazy wild brain damage sport again okay and i'm not sure how much the sport caused brain damage because this guy had problems before the sport ever got involved in it this guy i think it's just some sort of pre-ordained brain damage or he's just a fucking lunatic right this is a lee murray you know spinner spencer level like what the fuck is this guy doing lee murray was the ufc fighter in the woods that was stabbing people in the heart no lee murray was the guy who did that huge heist the european guy okay he's the

we're not fucking about. Yeah. That's Lee Murray. That's what we're talking about here. This guy's fucking about even less than Lee Murray. Great. This guy's like Pablo Escobar level, not fucking about. Great.

Put it that way. What's his name? Steve Skinner. No. Exactly. Canadian Steve Skinner. Yeah, that's right. Steven Douglas Skinner.

Okay. Steve Skinner. He's an MMA fighter douglas skinner okay steve skinner he's an mma fighter oh um yeah that's who would have thought not very successful one short career yeah so this one is pretty much all crime we'll talk about here uh he's born well the very few personal facts that we could find on this guy yeah there isn't any when you have a guy who's not real successful in sports no one thinks to like bio him there's not a lot of writers being sitting down like well so what makes you tick yeah they don't care what's beneath the surface yeah if you're a two and two mma fighter

no one's going what's what how'd you grow up yeah what were your parents how were you raised that no one gives a shit yeah until you are very popular so when we get these guys who didn't have a huge sports career it's really hard to find background info and it's pretty much only in court documents okay so very difficult he's born november 5th 1973 that i'm positive of um and i'm not going to do a bernard below situation i almost asked isn't that why we make things up yeah i didn't want to say that and ruin it if you were gonna do that because of small town murder last week if you didn't listen to small town murder last week the because of the cheese murders incident do yourself a favor and listen to small town murder you'll understand nobody no crime to the tune of bob marley you'll understand

how john cougar mellencamp had a murderous side to him in the songs you'll get that i was writing lyrics to no nobody no crime all day long with nowhere to put them that's bad that's just that's one of those you're doing crowd work and later on you're like i should have said that too late now it's like because i did the same fucking thing i'll come up with songs later and i'm like why didn't i just do it then damn it fuck me like being in an argument man like i should have said that that would have been good yeah it's the fucking yeah everybody has a driving away oh why did i say his hair son of a bitch jesus christ it's the yeah yeah it's it's silly shit so regret it's regret exactly so yeah he was born in 73 we know that much he's from dartmouth nova scotia okay we know that much okay okay that's where he's from his hometown far uh southeast canada southeast canada nova that's british columbia southeast canada like far

southeast nova scotia isn't that like an island that comes off of Canada? But that's over, I think it's... Southeast, like over by Maine. Southeast. Yeah, southeast Canada. For some reason, when you said southeast, I heard southwest, and I'm like, fucking British Columbia is southwest Canada. Extreme southwest Canada would be Seattle. Got it.

It's British Columbia, but no. Extreme southwest Canada, all right, is Maine. You are absolutely right. No, up there. What the fuck am I thinking? Good Lord. I beat you at lord i beat you geography i'm like i almost called it geometry and i'm like no the west that's not nothing the vancouver islands out there i know i don't know anything that's out there in the west and you're like east i'm like you already said that fucking stupid so i didn't graduate high school people so this is i'm doing my best dartmouth nova scotia let me uh here's a picture of him oh fantastic should i grab these glasses

a shot what is this he's a uh what the fuck he looks so an angry he's a good looking guy he looks like every dude that's ever changed my oil yeah and there's the rest of my work he's he's a is that a tattoo that that uh rosary yeah there's got a big rosary tattoo oh boy it's like dangling like it like it's in the wind or something yeah like it's moving around he's got a i don't know what the looks like a lizard on his ribs his ribs are done he's got sleeves i see nipples i see an eagle here yeah he does have fine nipples they're very well formed very well formed a little gumdrops small it's very nice you want to be shirtless type of nipples you want to be shirtless seven nipples you never have a shirt on never why would you so yeah i'm not

going to make up a childhood for him okay i assume it wasn't wonderful based on his future actions put it that way i mean he looks like already he's the king of the aryan brotherhood in a prison that's the thing and he his actions his looks he's a dangerous guy yeah he's the king of the aryan brotherhood in a prison that's the thing and he his actions his looks he's a dangerous guy yeah he's the type of guy where if you we've all encountered people where when we meet them we understand that i don't want to be around this person trust this person trust them i'm not gonna talk about my in my my fucking uh any money that i have anywhere just you know at any point they could snap and for no reason that's this guy it's very dangerous person to be around here and from what i understand uh he starts out

before he's even fighting he's already into criminal activity really um yeah he's got a whole kind of underground thing he starts out basically where he's a he robs drug dealers okay is what he does uh for a long time which if you don't know if you've just never thought about it robbing drug dealers in particular yeah is a really risky career path it's dangerous as fuck the most dangerous i'm gonna say go out on a limb and say it's probably the most dangerous person you could try to rob yeah there's not really a workman's comp related to that no and drug dealers hazards in that so i mean drug dealers tend to be on edge of people wanting to steal their money and drugs so what would they have they tend to have a lot of weapons around

them and people and security and things to thwart that they put things in between getting everything they have stolen and not being able to report it to the cops or anything or get it it's not covered by insurance right yeah you're not gonna i he stole 50 kilos i'm making a claim state farm hello fdic i'd like to report my my currency this is ridiculous i mean it's it's too much so yeah robbing drug dealers is a special kind of a steely type of yeah thing that you have you know they always say the old expression back in the day was he's got the balls of a steely type of yeah thing that you have you know they always say the old expression back in the day was he's got the balls of a burglar that guy yeah so this is like five times bigger balls burgling drug dealers i'm harder than the hardest man yeah this is already believes you have to be omar from the wire to that was the most badass character because he would have to plan

this thing out to go rob drug dealers which is very difficult lots of people trying so he's got that he starts he's got like uh he takes what it seems like he takes his drug money stealing and invests it into drugs oh okay and other things too he's got like storefronts he's got he's got all sorts of weird shit going on underground none of it legitimate of any kind and at the same time he decides you know what this isn't dangerous enough okay i've been i come up i i steal very valuable illegal things from heavily armed people who with criminal felonious pests and everything else so i do that that's pretty dangerous obviously what could be more how could i hurt myself physically though if i'm not killing how about i have other people pasts and everything else so i do that that's pretty dangerous obviously what could be more

how could i hurt myself physically though if i'm not killing how about i have other people punch me in the head and try to choke me that sounds good and then what's the end game of that getting on tv where somebody who i have yeah uh accosted and there's the motherfucker holy shit let's go to the mgm guys that's where that asshole's at right now that's where this guy is that and that's that's it's a very strange desire yeah for someone who's trying to run criminal empires to want to be on television right that is the dumbest shit ever really have you ever seen casino right the reason why they were mad at athrace rothstein was because he was going on television complaining while running a fucking criminal empire exactly who was the uh the uh oh jesus christ the fucking mobster uh no is it joe colombo who had i think it was joe

colombo it's a mobster colombo crime family all that shit well in the 60s and 70s he had this big because the fbi and people were concentrating on on mob activities and there was a there was a call it a a wind saying that italians are bad the godfather came out and all this type of shit so there was a slight stereotype a slight stereotype so he came out with to make matters worse the italian anti-defamation stop thing where he had these rallies and people would come and this is ridiculous and all this shit which would be fine absolutely and dandy and true at the time if you weren't running a crime family at the same time that's the problem you know the guy that swindled the mcdonald's fortune well that was down the road yeah this guy ended up getting killed because of doing this shit but he ended up getting killed and they wanted to kill him because they were like hey stupid

you're on television you dumb fuck that's defeats the purpose of what we're doing right you're announcing your presence stupid so we lay low yeah take it in the trenches not smart at all and that's what i've never this is a weird thing to do like i'll i get if you got into it after you got into mma and it was they were bleeding in. But he was like, you know what? I'm going to try this out. So is there a podcast that runs down from beginning as far back as you can go documented about the mafia to, I don't know, five years ago because it doesn't exist today. Can you do that? I'm sure someone has tried.

They probably wouldn't do it as well as. Yeah. As well as, you you know we could imagine if we did that we should do that because that it is it is riveting to know the story of each dude that was like a big deal or combos even and how they met their demise and why because people are like all the mafia is dangerous they just shoot people yeah they don't just shoot people and not only the big famous people we're talking there's a million people you guys have never heard of that had insanely interesting lives and did crazy shit. Shocker.

I know you guys are going to be surprised. I know a lot of this history. Like a lot of it. I could tell off the top of my head. That's a great idea. We should do that. People have done it before, but fuck them. I think we'd do it better.

I can't imagine anybody's ever done it to where they actually focus just mafia stories. And it's funny. Yeah, and it's funny. Well, you know what? We may end up doing that. Yeah, we may end up doing that. It's great. It's a riveting thing.

Yeah, all right. The whole tale of the mafia. Yeah, we're going to want- Everybody from lucky on back. Oh, yeah, no. It's so great. You can go back to before that. You can go back to-

I'm fascinated by all of them. I get, even today, in 2020, I get why people would want to have that i'm fascinated by all of them i get even today in 2020 i get why people would want to have that that look and that prestige and that respect and that respect is you know what in a day when there's zero respect being offered to fucking anybody it was a different thing to have some respect respect is nice hey you know why it was out of respect right yeah it's a true thing well back then too they needed when they first came here they the people they needed that because the police didn't give a shit what happened in an immigrant neighborhood so you the mafia was the police right and they shook everybody down and

made them play pay protection but at the same time nobody fucking there you know everything was clean there's not a goddamn purse snatching on a street in little italy in 1925 it just didn't happen they would have fucking cut your balls off. End of story. Not the cops. No. The neighborhood guys. The other cops.

Yeah. Hey, what'd you do? Hey, come here a minute. What the fuck's wrong with you? That would have been the end of the fucking time. So that was the thing. I mean, then it turned into, obviously, more of a business. Right.

And when it turns into that kind of business and that kind of money involved. Well, then the government wants to cut. Right. That's how it becomes a thing. It's very much like abortion james yeah well once once that happens once there's that kind of money involved the government not something to say about it yeah there's just something in there so he starts mma fighting yeah and it's okay i don't know why or how or what the fuck got him into this he seems like he's just like a psychopath and they were like he's like i want to

fight and they were like you look pretty tough and threw him in a fucking ring yeah so june 30th 2006 is his first fight um which if you think about it is weird too because he's like 34 years old 33 years old it's too old which is a strange age it's too old you're a 33 year old like underground street drug. So you're going to start MMA? What the fuck kind of life decision is that? Calm down, sir, because in five years, you're about to be in the hospital with Costco Contreras. Yeah, you're about to go in with a Costco muffin lodged in your esophagus.

You had no idea this was going to happen to you. You just woke up like that. Well, yeah. 34 and you're starting this shit. That's crazy. That's so weird. I've never heard of that before it's very strange so i mean people start things late but yeah i mean but not when you're done you don't start like i'm thinking there's no nba guys who are 35 year old rookies it just doesn't exist phil hartman became a

household name in his 40s but he'd been trying for a while he was working for 20 years before that i mean that's yeah he was still working this guy wasn't even doing shit so this is june 30th 2006 the event is extreme cage combat 2 collision course they called it ecc2 and i had to look up what that meant this is in monkton new brunswick canada and this is where a bunch of stuff ends up happening in Moncton. Yeah. He fights Sean Machine Gun Marchand, who comes into this fight 1-0 and ends up with an 8-7 record career. This is a bald white guy, which is a theme. I think everybody he fights are bald white guys. This is bald white guy on bald white guy. It's weird that the UFC's got that stereotype.

Yeah. I'll take the bald white guy with all the that the ufc's got that stereotype yeah i'll take the bald white guy with all the tattoos oh okay that helps on the surface i look like an enormous ufc fan it's yeah you do yeah they're like hey bro you're getting the pay-per-view this saturday that's you're like a you do you're i am their target audience yeah they look at you and they're like oh my he's one of us yeah no over here this is the entrance no yeah ticket i'm sure you bought a ticket just come on in i can see you you've clearly purchased a ticket to this so come on in it may not be in your pocket but we'll look you know we get it it's fine we did a we did a scan your turns out you're bald turns out you're bald white and

you have tattoos you're in come on in sir you're good you have to lose that shirt but go to the front row yeah it's like racists used to make that joke in like the 70s with in boxing they'd say i'll take the black guy there's always two black guys fights that's what this is now i'll take the white guy yeah i'll take the bald white guy with the tattoo with all the tattoos. Yeah. So machine gun Marshawn. This fight goes two rounds and at 246 into round two, Steve loses the fight by TKO with punches. So I guess this guy punched him into a technical knockout.

Stop the fight. First, he didn't know who to... He stopped the fight, turned around, told the judges, turned back and went, Shit, which one of you was winning? Fuck. God damn it. We're both standing now. You're so...

What is that? You both, that's an eagle too. Shit. You both have eagles. I don't even know what to... Now, be honest. Scout's honor. Which one of you was winning?

Scout's honor. Which one of you was winning? Scout's honor. Which one of you was being pummeled into submission? Tell me. Oh, that one hurt. Sorry. I'm trying to go easy on you. I don't know what to do here. I don't know how to do that.

So it's at this point where you'd imagine, I guess if you're going to have an MMA career starting at 34 years old, you better dive right in and really start and have a lot of fights. He instead takes a two-year hiatus. call which is what you want to do and come back at 36 when you're ready or further out of your further out of your physical prime that's smart thinking that's good but it's not his fault we'll say well i mean it's his fault but it's not uh he doesn't just want to take off he has a lot of other stuff going on uh because in 2006 he owned two he owns a bunch of stuff but he in particular two clothing stores that he owned uh were firebombed within like 20 minutes of each other so it wasn't like uh you know oh what a coincidence it was coordinated like we're gonna go you bomb

that store i'll bomb this store clearly somebody's fucking mad at him yeah obviously world trades were about that time apart also yeah it's a yeah pretty close and one of the men charged in the arson and the fires was a guy named cory melvin who's the younger brother of a big crime figure in halifax named jimmy melvin jr and you can look him up uh because he was too i went down a lot of alleys with this guy to find shit but this one was too long of an alley to be able to to be able to talk about in a short show like this so yeah jimmy melvin jr check out there he's uh quite the history on that guy and uh we don't know skinner may or may not have had something to do with his demise as well. Really? There is just an untold body count with this guy.

Really? We don't know. That's the thing. Where he went and what he did, we have no idea. This is 2004. Oh, yeah. This is 2006. Wow.

And into 2011 and 12. Wow. And it's like we have no idea how many he's killed. Unbelievable. It's fucking crazy. So June 21st 2008 so a literal two-year hiatus he comes back to fight for pfp which is phoenix fight promotions and the name of the event it's very original i'm sure there's never been another card named this yeah last man standing right come on guys gotta dig a little deeper just yeah

whatever the first round go around the table yeah if there's a table of 12 guys whatever the first one out you you throw them all away and go no none of those on round six or seven or so you might get to an idea that hasn't been done 12 times but last man standing i feel like has probably in the top three ufc's probably had eight different pay-per-views named last man standing i feel like has probably in the top three ufc's probably had eight different pay-per-views named last man standing and they're just like people won't remember that from a couple years ago we can name last man standing seven yeah who cares so they remember that least of all the fighters yeah they don't know uh well that's because they have brain damage that's a different reason so this is at the dartmouth sportsplex in dartmouth nova scotia the garden center of the

world where that's where it's the vegas of canada i believe the community park yeah the sportsplex it's got like a like a children's ice skating rink and racquetball court on one end yeah it's yeah totally can rent a basketball for like a dollar to go play gotta check it out yeah leave your idea about my car key? I don't have an idea. Leave your car key behind his collateral. It's perfect.

So he fights Maneca Weva, who this is his debut fight, and he's a two-in-five career fighter, but he has a strange path to get to two-in-five. He lost his first four fights. Why would you keep going get it why

what are you trying to prove it's over before you started man yeah i get one yeah you lose your first fight maybe you were nervous you're inexperienced oh that guy's just more experienced and i just didn't realize what it would be like with the lights and the people and you know there's no way that happens four times four times the second time you just okay i wasn't as good as that guy he was a good guy is too much let me give it one more shot by the fourth time you gotta go never mind yeah i'm not good at this obviously the first four they're not even the best fighter no and the first four already beat you they beat you don't come back soundly it's over why continue but he does continue oh boy and goes on to fight steve skinner here and uh

steve skinner beats him in the second round with at 32 seconds into the round with a tko uh from punches so steve skinner punches the shit out of him he learned scrapper he learned his yeah he's a street scrapper surprised he didn't pull a gun on him for christ's sake we'll see he's partial to a 44 that he carries that really oh yeah a 44 a 44 in the 2000s that's not a common gun anymore no but you know what it is yeah intimidating yeah it's big fuck it's a big one someone whips out a 44 word gets around that dude carries a cannon around it's a do you get a different whoa in the drug world you know what i mean it's like he's not whipping out a fucking like a's like he's not whipping out a fucking 32.

He's not whipping out a little 25, a little 380. He ain't got to step those 3080s. No. Pull out a 44. A 44 is like, holy shit, wow. Where'd you come from, Clint Eastwood? Are you fighting a buffalo later? What the fuck are you going to kill?

Holy shit. Do you hunt your dinner? Is that what this is? On the range? Right. You don't need this for humans. That's way too big of a gun are you fighting engine blocks what are you doing what are you trying to shoot what volkswagen

made you mad sir yeah because you will obliterate it with that one cylinder full it's gonna be gone so yeah this guy uh there you go one and one for steve skinner for his career like that like he's gonna be champ at this point ufc signs 41 year old journeyman drug dealer clothier firebomb victim not going to happen so november 22nd 2008 so a couple months later he's he's really giving it a go here yeah he uh he fights for elite one brand yeah i guess okay i'm sure there's a you know elite and the number one it is and the name of their show yeah guess what it is it's not last man standing it's first man it's one man standing nothing with man standing no on the end of it at all just leave standing out yeah just

leave that out and by and if you leave that out that challenges you to dig a little deeper put standing in any of it and you're fucking fired it's gonna be one man last man first man up man yeah your man my man your woman your mother's a man it's gonna be all it doesn't matter at that point one man standing what a fucking weak weak fucking stupid stupid so this is at the monkton coliseumum, which is, you know, obviously. I'm sure it's historic. It's Madison Square Garden of Canada. We're going to the Coliseum. It's a big deal.

Oh, the L.A. Coliseum? No, no, the Moncton. Oh, okay. Never mind. Here he fights a guy named Dan the Hitman Fowler. Okay. And he's 2-0 coming in. You can't have a nickname unless you tell you have

five wins should be a while five and oh you get a nickname and it should be according to how you've won no or or or something you just make it up you don't get hit man because that's been done and overdone more than last man standing that's what i mean are you tommy thomas hearns right no are you bret hart get the fuck out of here no done no more are you either of them or more famous man stop it are you no more hitmans no more sugars that's the one can't be that's the one for sure sugar though is like a that's almost like a uh a title more than it is a nickname right like that's almost like um it's almost like a name of respect that people give you you don't call yourself people actually call him that and don't say his

name you know what i mean yeah yeah just say sugar and he fucking answers but hit man nobody else should be taking that and same goes for this yeah that's not no that's bad shit so this fight uh it's in the first round doesn't get out of the first round at 159 in the first round old skinner here makes the hitman submit okay he's a very dangerous man he's like i'm a real hitman you understand i will fucking murder people here with your pussy ass but don't hold my arm yeah but please don't hold my arm uh so this is a rear naked choke. This submission comes with this is two and one now for him. That was November 28th, November 22nd, 2008. He doesn't fight again until 2010.

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in our entire fucking... And this is the tip of the iceberg for this episode. We just covered Calvin Winslow. This is bad. Remember James Waithe?

He was a... That was the heart, yes? No, no. James Waithe was an Olympic karate guy judo maybe something like that episode 40 something maybe and he like tortured a guy and like with a toaster and cigarettes remember he put his like hands and shit yeah toaster and all that didn't he open his fucking chest and take his heart and put it in the wood stove

no no no that was jared wyatt got it that was jared why the w yeah i mean they were fighters so i mean there you go um well this is along those lines kind of of this um he has a beef with a guy okay over drugs it's a you know a street drug beef as you do so he's angry with this man and he can't find him to exact his revenge on him like he would like to do obviously you know he needs it as one does yeah as one exacts your drug revenge so instead he heads over to this man's father's house uh yeah who's a 66 year old man um 66 year old retired man who lives in lower sackville which is just hilarious i just had to tell you that because i knew it would make you smile from a sperm yeah low in my lower sackville coming out lower sackville

out the end of penis town it's gonna be beautiful just riding on out of penis town sackville coming out of lower sackville ridiculous unbelievable so he knocks on the door and um he recognized the old man recognized steve skinner as a friend of his sons he had seen them together before and so he invited him inside you know he's canadian also he's friendly right he's gonna invite him in here it'd been like what do you want he would have been with a shotgun in his hand there he invites him in offers that offers the steve skinner and his friend to drink those guys like a drink um so uh you know they hang out for a little while then skinner brings up that he has an issue with this guy's son why he brings it up to his dad i have no idea his dad obviously is not involved in his drug activities as most people's fathers aren't right so um anyway uh the guy says

well i don't know anything about that i hope you guys resolved your whatever problems you have yeah this sounds uh terrible so they said well here's what's gonna happen uh we're mad at him and we can't find him so we're taking it out on you oh boy uh they spent the next few hours hours torturing the man with hot spoons and knives oh my god they would heat them up on the stove and burn him and cut him and how old the guy is this 66 oh for fuck's retired guy um tied him up even burned off a big tattoo on his arm burned it off just to be like oh let's get rid of that that's something he earned that tattoo yeah a guy of that age yeah think about when he got that tattoo that's he's probably in the navy or something you know he's overseas for sure some

shit like that or he was like a biker one of the two he earned it yeah and this guy is uh they burnt but for hours they burned him with just tortured him with hot spoons and knives and and tortured this man um he and the guy ended up telling on him, and he's arrested and charged with aggravated assault with a weapon, possession of a weapon for a dangerous purpose, hostage taking, uttering threats to cause death, uttering threats to kill, and poisoning or injuring an animal because they also hurt the man's dog who wouldn't stop barking. I didn't get into that. They poisoned the dog? A poison or injure. Yeah, they could have kicked it or something bad to it. Or gave it some sort of chemical in the house.

Anything. But I mean, they could have sprayed it with something when they came in. But I mean, that's like... That's too much. That's a lot. That's a lot to do for an MMA guy while you're fighting. You have an active career here, son. Get it together.

So it's a long list of charges, and they're not good, ranging from aggravated assault with weapons to poisoning and injuring animals. That's bad shit. So he ended up fleeing Halifax. He takes off, and he ends up being arrested in Toronto

by the Toronto Police Guns and Gang task uh task force they sound badass yeah they sound like they're gonna scoop some people up and they return him to halifax here you go here's your asshole here it is here's your asshole everybody do you want him back because we got him we're from toronto who brought you an asshole oh here you go hey one asshole for you hey oh we stopped at tim horton's thought you guys might want something on the way though you know have some Oh, here you go, eh? Brought your asshole, eh? One asshole for you, eh? Oh, we stopped at Tim Hortons. Thought you guys might want something on the way, though. You know, have some coffee. Brought his chocolate donuts.

There you go. You like that? And your asshole. Oh, we got poutine in the car. Get the poutine. Hey, get it for him. We picked it up for you. We didn't know what you were liking in the mood for, if you wanted something sweet.

Or a lunch snack. Maybe a savory. So, you know. But we knew you wanted the asshole. We knew you wanted that. you wanted we brought the asshole first and by we got him tim hortons too because you know we're canadian and we're nice though so we uncuffed him so we can eat a donut you understand he's a little dangerous but you know hey if you can't trust people what kind of world are we living in right okay then that's great

oh man canadian that's the canadian police guns and gangs task force you're gonna have to come with us okay you said no i'm not coming he said oh no it's all right guy i picture him like the guys here like all black tactical you know like swat guys type of thing except big smiles excessively friendly instead of playing guns no come on. Sonny's disposition. No, come on, eh? Behind a riot shield. It's like, whoa, you're scared because there's like 60 of them and they're surrounding you and they look dangerous, but they're like, no, no, come on. We just want to take you in and have a little talk.

Pitter patter. Everyone's like, yeah, buddy, it's okay. And thumbs up and smiles. And he's like, hmm, very confusing to be in trouble in Canada. I can't tell if they're mad at me or not. Very weird. trouble in canada i can't tell if they're mad at me or not very weird so the uh the government submitted evidence and vigorously opposed uh him being released on bail right saying that he is a dangerous drug dealer who robs drug dealers and tortures rivals fathers he's a dangerous guy he's

going to be settling scores even more if we let him out now so we should probably keep him in here but the court um on they said he's a flight risk too because we caught him in toronto you know fleeing you know running you know yeah so you know he's actually doing the exact thing that he's a risk of that's the thing and he's a danger to the public because of his known affiliation with the drug trade and i never found records of this but sometime earlier before his mma stint he had had uh weapons charges in the past as well so he's had kind of just a criminal history going going back as far as you can't be like on the street doing shit for years and years and be 35 years old and never have got picked up by the cops it just doesn't happen your luck runs out yeah everybody gets even fucking avon barksdale did time you know

what i'm saying shit catches up to you stringer bell got away with it but you know what i'll take what avon had a lot of actual people that really lived and that were heads of mobs did tons of time in prison oh yeah and then we're the fucking guy they thought of that as a that was a they earned it that was school you know they tell that going to school that's how john gaudy became big in the mob that's how he became that's how was his first big step up was he went in and didn't say a word him and his crew killed a couple killed a guy for a mob boss fucked it up did it in the middle of a bar with witnesses his friend was an idiot they went to prison he was in green haven for all this shit and also there was a hijacking thing and everything but kept his

mouth shut didn't say shit the murder shit kind of got reduced and everything when he got out hey here's a guy who just did a bunch of time for the boss and he shut the fuck up and he shut the fuck up and they gave him a they gave him a piece of something then because it was a reward and then he built his own crew and he was an aggressive son of a bitch and he took over a lot and then he started going on television which is what you don't do when you're running a criminal empire and now his boy is fighting that's his boy's boy idiot what a fucking idiot like carlo gambino never saw him on tv ever no you know where carlo gambino died in his bed right in his house right was he in this house or was he in a parking lot i think he was in a parking lot had a heart attack

something like that on his own terms honestly didn't die in a prison he didn't eat some shitty prison chow and then keel over in the shower like he he's on his way to an appointment on his own fucking to meyerlansky same thing died on his own terms why didn't say shit never went on television shut the fuck up make your money so this idiot instead um he they they end up uh uh releasing him on fifty thousand dollars bail so he's released and uh as part of a part of this he's not to be in the province of Nova Scotia oh not allowed to be there while he awaited trial they scheduled trial for 2012 and he's not allowed to be anywhere in nova scotia until the trial comes up so stay out of nova scotia so instead he goes back to fighting yeah what at why in nova scotia

no no but why are you why it's his favorite i don't understand what the fuck you're fighting for you're clear gotta build a career that's legit right even if you were trying before you just got arrested for torturing him like a senior citizen like enough with the legitimate career it's gonna be hard to sell would that sell tickets or would it not sell tickets i mean because i might want to buy a ticket and hopes that whoever he's fighting beats the living fuck out of him. Well, yeah. If he tortured another drug dealer, let's say he tortured some other drug dealer.

You go, that's kind of all in the game. And maybe this dude's just a sick motherfucker. Maybe he'll be interesting to watch fight. But that's shitty. Yeah, he did. It's like this. Yeah. So this one is June 4th, 2010.

It's the CFC five Canadian fighting championships. I mean, you know, we don't, we don't want to, you know, it's Canadian fighting championships. We don't want to brag or nothing. You know, it's just, you know, that's okay. That's enough. It's just a fight in there. They'll get it. Well, CFC, you know, if we put it out, it's going to sound braggy, you know, like we're

trying to act like we're tough or something. So, you know, we don't want to brag about it it's okay so uh he's there he fights lance the snake cartwright lance cartwright lance cartwright he sounds menacing i got a picture of him oh really you are gonna want to go to canada and punch him i swear it's like a bitch doesn't when you see this guy you root for for father torture because you're like please beat the shit out of this guy he's two and three coming in two three and one and has the balls to give himself a nickname uh no the snake why because you writhe on the ground after someone knocks you out two four in one career so no nickname until you get look at this man jimmy

oh good he looks like a bitch he looks like the ultimate douchebag. He looks like me when I was 17. Look at that smooth chest. Yes, he's got a smooth chest, and he's got 17-year-old Jimmy hair. Yes, he does. Where it's dark roots with the blonde tips there. Only he's got Mick Jagger's cheekbones. Outside of that, he is a bitch.

He's got 1997 hair in 2009, which is a huge issue. Looks like a guy that rents a boat and pretends it's his all day. And just blares Sugar Ray out of it the whole time. Just wanna fly. Yeah. That's all

he does. Doesn't sing the rest of it. Just waits for the chorus. I just wanna to fly. Come on. Pull your top off. Show me your tits. Come on. Come on.

Sunday sale. Yeah. Show me your tits. I just want to fly. Show me your tits. He's such a goober. McGrath is the shit right he's got his same haircut it's unbelievable a little late 12 years late 12 years late the sugar ray asshole i think had cut it by then

i'm pretty sure that's how he made money right by this time by 2009 he was punching people yeah because he hated his past he hates you you, motherfucker. Don't remind me. Poor Guy Fieri. He has to live with that every day. Forever. Forever. He made that his thing. It sucks, too, because I thought this was his window.

About June or July, I was talking about it with Sarah, and we were like, this is his shot. He's got a chance. With the whole pandemic thing, and he's off. He could fucking grow his hair out. I said, I have no access to my stylist so i grew it out he could do this now i like it i don't have to dye it fucking yellow anymore this is great you know because i'm a fucking adult because you can tell you're right that's not even blonde no it's yellow it's it's rick flair yellow it's fucking crazy you can you can pick a crayon out

that's the exact color of his hair i think cray Crayola does that. It's Fieri yellow. It's Fieri yellow, I believe it's called. This was his chance to change it all up. Kids are like, they spelled Ferrari wrong on my Crayola. Yeah, what happened here? Nope, nope, that's not what it is, kids. That's a Fieri. That's what that is.

Color hair that color. You'll understand it. I'm going to put dark under the roots, though. This was his chance. Put a thought bubble over that person and it just says yum town you'll get it you'll understand i because i look at him and i'm like you i just feel like he hates it i feel like he's got i feel like flame shirt i feel like he gets super stoned and he's like all right you don't want to get douchebag for a while that's cool

like i'll go in there and he's like talking and people he's getting along with people he's like all right they're gonna turn the cameras on so i gotta be i'm gonna just i know it's gonna be unsightly but i realize we're gonna be talking about food i have to do and i'm about to turn your stomach i get it hold on wait you're not gonna like this can i get my stylist here i got a couple of spikes that are drooping somebody give me my blue polarized uh fucking oakley's real quick for whatever reason he strikes me as a nice man yes he's probably everybody says he's great yeah i feel any like every time there's any kind of anything he'll be like well let's organize a thing and get food for all the firefighters and all the people big heart big heart yeah he's always

the only guy doing shit like that and i'm like there's no way he wants to wear his hair like that no one who's not a douchebag wants to wear their hair like that. You know, he looks in the mirror and he's like, someday. Someday. Someday. And then he gets a call from Sammy Hagar that's like, dude, I really like your style. And he's like, I can't fucking change it. Dig your doo, brah.

I can't change it. Sammy's rich as fuck. I can't change it. Like a ponytail, you know? Give him something like that. Just something different. So anyway. Even Sammy hasn't changed his fucking look.

No. Rock stars have a hard time with that. I don't understand. But he's been through everything from Solo Act to Van Halen back to Solo Act. He's had so many opportunities to not look like an asshole. And he refuses. You can change your look. Guys do it.

People do it. He refuses. He looks like an asshole always. People cut their hair. I mean, even Metallica cut their fucking hair. You know what I mean? And they're literally headbanging where hair's supposed to go. Exactly.

And it just doesn't. It's just short. It's just mist flowing off of your stubble. There it is going. Oh, well. You have mist here, beer sweat coming off your stubble. So this fight goes in first round at 151. Steve beats this douchebag with TKO here.

He punches him into a TKO. At least this man was pummeled into someone stepping in and saying, no more beating this douchebag. If you're the ref, you know you gave it an extra couple of punches. You're like, okay, man. He dropped an elbow hammer on him. He's like, that'll do. That's the one. Okay.

Hit him with a knee. Okay. there we go the end of the fight do you want one more or should i just drag him out one all right what are you gonna do i know look at his hair i get it i'll turn around and look at the clock go eddie's a douche i get it so uh three and one for steve now so i mean he lost his first fight now he's won three in a row. He's tortured. Actually, four if you count the old man. That's a good point. Although he had help.

He did have help with that. That's right. He did have help with that. So July 24th, 2010, is Elite One again. And this time it's called Wild Card. Oh, boy.

Wild Card. No. Yeah, Wild Card. God damn it. This is at the Casino New Brunswick. Oh, yeah. Yeah, baby. And brunswick oh yeah yeah baby and you know it's gross oh you know it's disgusting at the casino new brunswick not that one yeah it's like that's not the good one it's like one of those weird like the one outside omaha or whatever wasn't there one like across the border to some state outside omaha look gross uh was it

st no not st louis every every city in the midwest has that's on their quote-unquote reservation yeah where it's basically you can see it from 30 miles away because it's the only over one story building in the area it was kansas city well kansas city was the one that was there was the argosy i remember that wasn't that's where we stayed yeah we stayed at that one because it was cheap but the the i'm talking in omaha there's one like right across the river into really in another in indiana maybe or whatever the fuck is right there i didn't know and i didn't see it i've never seen that detroit's got one too they've got an mgm yeah yeah i took forever for them to get that one that's the one i got thrown out yeah you nodded off there even though you were staying there i'm staying here only jimmy can get thrown out of a lobby of a

hotel that he's staying at. That's pretty funny. God, I'm gross. That's weird for your debaucherous behavior. So this fight at the Casino New Brunswick, this is the main event. He's in a main event. This is it. He's worked up.

His fifth fight here. At the Casino New Brunswick. At the Casino New Brunswick. The main eventer. Doesn't even have a name of the casino. He got free buffet. He did. Free.

Probably got a room. As much prime rib as you want. Right He got free buffet. He did. Free. Probably got a room. As much prime rib as you want. Right. It was wild. Oh, I'm sure he got a nice, the high roller brain man suite. The plush suite. Oh, you know it. So, oh, you know.

So, main event, he fights Chris the Crippler Johnson, which can't be the Crippler because that's Chris Benoit, and that's kind of got some connotation to it. Yeah. That's, you know. And it's also, in what year is this? This is 2010. Yeah, it's a smidge after that you're allowed to be saying that. You can't be that. No, the crippler, yeah, is a little, yeah. If you can't call somebody crippled, I guess you can't say.

You can't say what you're going to do that to them. What do you do? I cripple people. I suppose if you're crippling people, you're not real concerned with your with your uh correctness yeah you're gonna question what i do well you're not concerned with the phrasing of it i guess at that point what you're doing is worse than what you're saying so it doesn't really matter that's how that's a weird point that we've gotten into where we're more concerned with the fact that he uses the word cripple rather than he's going to cripple people which would be a worse thing.

We're more concerned. Well, he said cripple. Well, then what are you going to call the condition that he put somebody broke that guy's legs? Can we talk about that before the words he used? That's worse. Jesus Christ. So two and two coming into this fight, five and six career cripple this asshole. You suck.

You're not good at this. This fight here goes first round only goes three minutes and seven seconds, and Steve loses this fight with a submission with a rear naked choke. So that's not great. He's three and two, and that's the end of his career. He's done. He's done. Well, I mean, also, he's pushing 40 here as well. So, I mean, you're not really going anywhere.

The best fighters usually retire around 34, 35. That's if they've had a great career. Right. They've had an unbelievable, like, they'll talk about them for a while. The last three years, they're collecting money that they really aren't earning. You know what I mean? Their fights are a little more lackluster. And they're spaced out a bit.

Yeah. They're using their name. They're fighting on their name. They're pulling a Roy Jones Jr. This guy's hanging on to it. A dream that he shouldn't have even had in the first place. No, this is an ill-advised dream for this man. So but again, not sure if he planned on fighting more, but circumstances in life when you're like a crazy street drug dealing, robbing, you know, old man torturing lunatic.

Life happens. You know, you don't always, it gets in the way of your shit. Well, it catches you fast. Yeah, life goes by pretty fast. So on April 10th, 2011, he decides he's going to stop and take around and take a look at it for a while here. He's going to have a Ferris Bueller day.

April 10th, 2011 is Steve Skinner's day off. Put it that way. This is everything he wants to do in one day. This is like the quintessential 24 hours of a lunatic. This is the Lufthansa heist. This is Lufthansa heist. And then you got to whack the boss and then go to get the Costa Nostra and become the made man.

And you got to get the veal cutlets nice, pound it out nice and thin and have the sauce stirred for Sunday. There's a lot going on for this guy. All in one day. Have Mikey watching a helicopter. It's a lot. All day long,

this poor kid's watching helicopters and tomato sauce. If you still haven't seen Goodfellas in your life, you're blowing it. That's a watching helicopters and tomato sauce if you still haven't seen good fellas in your life you're blowing it that's a cinema classic and that's on you would you call it better than the godfather because no different very different that's true very different it's apples and oranges but it's so good as a film yeah the godfather's beautiful it's a different as yeah as a film it's almost like art. It's an experience. Yeah. Because when that came out, that culture, people didn't even know about it.

So there was no like Goodfellas, there was a shorthand that they could use. And they'd explain everything, but there was certain stuff you didn't have to explain. That guy's the boss. Okay, you don't have to explain what the boss is. Godfather had to explain to you what the boss was because no one knew that shit all they knew was if they saw the you know the velache shit and all that they didn't know like anything about it so it was a it was a lot different back then when the godfather came out so that was like this epic and then the music it's a it's a it's very specific it's it's orchestral this music that's all scored right to the movie and it's it's a

it's a beautiful story it's a beautiful story it's a different thing whereas goodfellas is a slice of life it's amazing it's a diary it's henry hill's diary on film and it's amazing it's just so different they're they're the same to me but different you know what i mean goodfellas is great it's they're just the best mob movies there are you can't you yeah it doesn't get better than that and goodfellas is kind of the basis for every tarantino movie ever made and all those movies yeah it's that it's the same tone yeah it's violence it's reality it's anybody can go at any time but these guys are also that live that life they have a dark sense of humor and they're funny and funny stuff happens because it's real life and specific uh

words that they would use yeah that time period. Exactly. And the time period. And the phrasing and the way things are said. It all has meaning. It all has, yeah. The whole thing, you can't miss a line or you miss the whole point

of the fucking movie. That's the thing. You need to know, you need to build and there's a lot of characters. It's a big world that you're weaving together. I still love Goodfellas.

I fucking love Goodfellas. It's the greatest. It's so good. Did you know that Sarah had never seen Goodfellas? I can't imagine. Not in a while. So I showed it to her and she loves it now, obviously. It's so good. Did you know that Sarah had never seen Goodfellas? I can't imagine. I showed it to her and she loves it now, obviously.

It's so good. I knew she would. So good. My Blue Heaven's probably third. I love Steve Martin. It's so good. It's so good. It's not a great movie, but it's Steve Martin.

It's Steve Martin. And Rick Moranis. And Rick Moranis. How do you beat the two of them together? I can't imagine quitting. If I ever did a movie with Steve Martin, I'd never quit movies. I wouldn't care if I made 36 Giglis. I'd be thrilled. The year before, he was with Ackroyd and Bill Murray and Harold Ramis.

Rick Moranis had a pretty good run there. He really did. But I agree with you. That's ridiculous. Don't you touch Rick Moranis. How dare you? You leave him alone. Are you kidding me?

They should deport him. Whoever it is should be immediately sent somewhere. You don't get to punchick moranis you leave him alone are you kidding me they should deport him whoever it is should be immediately deported you don't get to punch rick moranis you do not get to punch rick moranis you get out of this country i don't care if you're born here and he's canadian right still we're protecting him he's ours he's ours now he was in ghostbusters leave us alone so uh this day you know he didn't come back. So you lost him. He's ours now. I'm sure he's got dual citizenship or whatever. He's fine. So this day, there is a body found.

It's a young man named Stacy Adams. He's 20 years old. And it's found in Lake Echo. As someone calls 911, they find him shot multiple times with a large caliber weapon they um police don't really know what to do he's in his mother's car they find him shot to death in his mother's car in this kind of area out here so um in the creek no no no by the lake echo is the name of the town or whatever so yeah they didn't find him in the middle of the lake in a car in a car in mom's car shot the. Yeah, that would have been even more interesting.

So the police had a hard time connecting any information to him. Nobody wanted to cooperate. No witnesses, nothing like that. But they finally get a little bit of information, and they start putting something together where they think Steve Skinner's involved. And they look into Steve Skinner down here, and they realize that he'sner's involved and uh they look into steve skinner down here and they realize that he's got a lengthy and violent criminal record that is clearly i mean if you'll do that to that guy you'll do anything to anybody at that point so um and they said okay he wasn't

even allowed to be in this area in 2011 but you know he could have come here anyway if he murdered somebody i'm sure he didn't care about his right you know not allowed to be there thing so uh yeah about what stacy adams is and give you an overview steve skinner is named as basically he is a big player in a drug organization called the bellinger group that's what the police have called it it's headed by a guy named ryan bellinger okay and he is the owner of the house where they found stacy's adams body in the car nearby he's the owner of that house he's one of steve skinner's partners this bellinger guy here and uh he's got a girlfriend who we'll talk about uh britney debenshire i think her name is we'll get to her in a second here um but bellinger bellinger's a young guy.

At this point, he's under 30, but he's running this criminal empire up there. It seems easy to get a criminal empire going in Canada. It doesn't seem real hard. Listen, supply and demand. Yeah. Well, plus, I feel like everybody's nice. If you're a dick, you could really overrun a lot of an underground industry here. nice if you're a dick you could really overrun a lot of uh an underground industry here so um anyway they they would traffic drugs into nova scotia ontario british columbia this was a pretty

big yeah from south america they were bringing it in this was a big operation this wasn't any bullshit they uh imported cocaine from mexico and uh skinner's contacts here also uh the skinner and bellinger they use the hell's angels locally to do certain things for muscle for distribution it's it's really a big big operation that they have going on yeah they've employed another gang just to like help out like that's how you know you got a big organization when you're looking at everything and you go i'm looking at we need help i'm looking at this i don't know we're gonna have to hire a gang i think diversify right i mean no and i think we're gonna have to hire a gang that's the only thing because they conglomerate that's what's gonna happen that moment every small business has when they realize

they're gonna have to hire a dangerous criminal gang remember when we started and our whole dream was to have an umbrella company the be Bellinger Group, underneath that. Everything. Hells Angels. We never even, never in a thousand years. Above and beyond. This is amazing. I said cocaine.

Yes. Murder for hire. Absolutely. Absolutely. We're not pussies. No problem. Right. Now we have criminal gangs underneath us.

This is big, guys. I think we should buy an island and start a government because this is big stuff here. So they Adams was involved. Stacey Adams, according to the police, was involved in drug trafficking. His mother refuses to say that. Later on, his mother will absolutely fight tooth and nail saying he was not involved in drug trafficking. tooth and nail saying he was not involved in drug trafficking. But I would say by the fact that he's at this house, that he's involved in somewhat in drug trafficking.

He may not know what he's doing. He's hanging out with drug traffickers. So usually if you're hanging out with like the head of the organization at his house and you're, you're, you're in the orbit somewhere. If he trusts you enough to be in his house exactly there's absolutely yeah something that could bring him down in there you're you've you've got some knowledge either you were best

friends in the third grade and he was on your like little league hockey team or something or you're involved in some shit that one of the two and even if you were that guy you're probably still involved in something he keeps shit at your house yeah because he trusts you exactly there's a big trust and respect are two big things in a criminal relationship and a lot of these guys especially a guy like skinner has a real kind of an ego problem and everything else so apparently bellinger and stacy adams had had a beef basically they just didn't like each other so adams comes over here which seems stupid here Skinner was on the side of Bellinger because they were the, you know, that's the crew. So he's on the side of Bellinger and the Stacey Adams guy is kind of on the outs of that.

And so on the 10th, this is before the body was found. Actually, we'll talk about that earlier in that day. Early in the morning, Skinner flew from Vancouver to moncton using a fake name yeah of course um obviously fake id fake all that shit and then made his way over to late uh lake echo uh and he wasn't supposed to be there he has a court order right there so just being there is illegal right never mind anything else uh skinner then got super fucked up at bellinger's house okay we're talking stumbling next level fucked up coke and booze oh boy pounding pounding coke and booze and coke and booze you can even out yeah which is why it's dangerous

because you could just keep doing it doing it doing it because you're like well a little more coke to even out that drunk and then oh well i'm a little too hyper a little more booze to calm that down and this guy carries a 44 and he's extremely short-tempered and will torture a man with spoons he's volatile he's a volatile motherfucker here so apparently he's so drunk and wild that day uh the evening before on april 9th skinner was at another person's house jeffrey ballinger who's related to uh ryan ballinger uh bellinger and uh crystal stevens house also they they were together jeffrey bellinger and crystal stevens they lived on shade well lane and lake echo apparently that night they were all consuming what was called a substantial amount of cocaine and alcohol so he was still up from the night

before this was on the 9th and all through the 10th he's still awake he had flown in that day and then he's just going crazy uh apparently bellinger there uh the other bellinger not ryan yeah he and skinner did not sleep all night all throughout the night and they were both super fucked up this is the kind of activities they were doing that shows how fucked up you are you know those crazy guys that like do stupid shit and punch each other hit their heads into things seen it okay now we used to tase each other yeah that's crazy take that yeah up a shitload and then you have this is reno 911 level crazy okay they were both so fucked up at one point skinner put on his bulletproof vest no put on his vest and made the other guy shoot him multiple times with a.22 handgun.

That is nuts. In the fucking chest. I got my vest on, bucked three shots into him and fucking was like, yeah, cool, I'm still alive. Wow. Who the fuck does that? That's not how you test those. No!

You know how you test those? That's on Reno 911 how they do it. And it's a joke. No. You know how you test, though? That's on Reno 911 how they do it. And it's a joke. Right.

It's not. You're like, wow, how dumb would that be if cops just went out in the parking lot, had one put it on, stand there, and have the other guy shoot at him? Super Trooper's the guy that did a steel cup. Yeah. And was like, shoot my dick. That's what I mean. But you hang it on a post and you shoot at it. That's what they do.

That's what they do. They put it on a thing. There's testing they do. There's no body in it. The fact that he would be fucked up and then be like you're super fucked up shoot me and i trust you to only hit this area of my body that's covered with a fucking with this vest is crazy that's unbelievable you could make a list of why that's crazy and it would it would be a while you go well there's that and that's crazy yeah of course that's bad shit who the fuck would do that even a 22 caliber that's not it's not a crazy but they go faster than most bullets that's why that's why those bullets are crazy if it goes in you

you're fucked because it's gonna tear your ass up they rip you apart yeah that's why people use them because they fucking work and they go fast yeah they don't go in and out. No. They go in and then around and then come out on the other side of you. Like, you know. Yeah. Diagonal and up and through your armpit. Yeah. You're shot in the head. It comes out your toe.

Right. And you're like, how did that happen? Took the full fucking tour, man. So apparently here, they were getting, this is after this big party and all this. I mean, you're partying hard when you're asking people to shoot you while you're wearing a vest. That's one of the craziest voluntary things i've ever heard jackass didn't even do it with live rounds that's what i mean they did it with a fucking beanbag that's what i'm saying that is above jackass level it's stupid this is too far for johnny knoxville yeah because

it's literally very life-threatening it's extremely not okay or not safe at all that if you get shot with the with the beans bean bags you know that's just gonna hurt right it's gonna hurt it's gonna suck yeah but you're not gonna die probably but this is like i don't know what if he missed it him in the throat right well then what happens goes down tears up his chest or the arm femoral arteries anything the fucking face it's not that i No, it's not that far of a distance. And I would assume the closer the range, the less effective the vest would be as well. You'd think so.

So you don't want the guy on top of you, probably, he's going to get back 15 feet, which is room for fuck up, especially if you've been drinking, doing coke and not sleeping for all night. Wow. The wait is over. So far, you're not losing.

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Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. When a bullet hits a metal target, it kind of, it mushrooms, it goes, it all collapses on itself and flattens out. metal target it kind of it mushrooms it goes it all collapses on itself and flattens out and then it kind of goes apart you know what i mean like there's still a little bit like if you threw like if you threw a a warm hershey's kiss against the wall right exactly that's what it does uh and if you do that uh at a at a at a target too close it doesn't just absorb the it fucking it sends it back there's physics involved you know in the homicide book the david simon book they talk about how like every most of the time people get shot what they do is learn behavior yeah like most of it unless

it clips something to fuck up your central nervous system or causes you enough blood loss where you can't stand most of the time you're not going to fall but people get shot and they fall down because they think they're supposed to fall down right it's deep it's not even a thought it's just deep ingrained in their brain that that you fall down because they've seen movies and tv have told me that yeah they see people do that so it's it's kind of the same type of thing where people are just like they just think it's what happens you're trained right to do things so dumb it's fucking weird i don't know so yeah that's fucking so stupid trained to to fall down and to it's so weird though that people don't like i don't know your body reacts like that your survival instinct goes out the window when you know you've been shot it's

just well this is where i die now and yeah people survive gunshots all the time oh all the time yeah but you just go down and you think you're dying and you're yeah because now you have the opportunity for whoever just shot you to shoot you several more more way more times way more times so yeah um anyway so this is all happening this crazy shit so during the early morning hours of april 10th uh bellinger and skinner and uh this stevens guy here they were all in the kitchen area of this home and were in the process of getting ready to leave as the house was scheduled for a real estate viewing. You're going to come see a house that's been partied in all night, gunshot.

Literally, you can smell gunpowder in there. If you're looking for a house and you walk into the living room and smell gunpowder, I'm turning around and fucking leaving. Yeah. What happens? Is that powder? There is something very familiar that I smell. I am a vet. Yeah. What happens? Is that powder? There is something very familiar that I smell.

I am a vet. I know what that is. Yeah, this is definitely gunpowder. So there's some combat happening in here. So that's all happening. And like we said, they all have drugs and weapons and all this type of shit in here. And they're kind of clearing all that out, trying to make it presentable. You can't just have like a...

You look like a Canadian cottage. You can't have big fucking fat rails on the kitchen table when somebody comes over. So he collects firearms. All of them do, Bellinger and Skinner. They collect the firearms and drugs and put them in two separate duffel bags on the counter. That's how much drugs and firearms they have.

About 11 a.m., before they got a chance to leave, Stacey Adams and another man arrive at this location. Now, Adams knew, he knew Bellinger and had been there before, but he's got beef with this guy's brother, and it was unexpected that he came over this morning. He's coming over to try to get some weed. He wants, like, not like an eighth.

He wants, like, you know, he's selling weed. He wants bulk weed, apparently, is what he wants this day. He wants Costco weed. He wants Costco weed. And Adams, too, by the way, thought of by Skinner and Bellinger as no slouch or anything, too. Like, they say that they believe he's always armed as well. 20-year-old tough guy. And, yeah, he's doing whatever. So here is kind of knows that everybody's a serious person

so uh yeah he shows up there stacy asked to buy weed from bellinger uh but what ends up happening bellinger says okay and he goes to waste it out and prepare it for him as he's doing that uh uh skinner and adams get into a verbal exchange. Steve and Stacy get into it. And apparently they stand up. And from what's said, Adams just has his hand to his side as he stands up, making Skinner think that he's going to come after him with a gun. And Skinner, in a up all night on coke paranoid fucking state reaches into a duffel bag and pulls out his 44 and so now they're in a small area and uh one guy's got a 44 and one guy doesn't

yeah and so steve ends up unloading and shooting him three times at close range with a 44 that's the end wow yeah that is that's gonna be messy yeah close range 44 three shots in a house oh fuck you're gonna be cleaning up yeah for a while this guy's whole torso because the body's gonna lay down and then somebody's gonna go what the fuck did you just do and this conversation there's going to be so much more to clean. Oh, my God. That and imagine the fucking ringing. I'm selling this. Well, cancel the real estate viewing, I guess. You know what? We're selling it as is now. We're going to reduce it about 10 grand.

It's as is. What do you say? But imagine the fucking ears ringing. Because you've got to think of the chaos of all this. And imagine all this chaos. And in this chaos chaos you're 44 inside of a fucking house three times right whoa you're not gonna be able to hear for a week the first boom and it's a boom it's yeah like a 22 pops yeah this is a boom that'll fuck your ears up

this is an explosion right it sounds like 44s are crazy that's a lot of that's a lot of powder igniting and that hurts you feel it in your chest yeah 22 you can hear it but you don't feel it 22 you hear that right right it sounds like a firecracker almost almost like you broke really thick glass yeah exactly with a shattering 44 it sounds like a fucking cannon just went off blow the fuck up so the at this point the guy who was with stacy adams bolted out the door and took off fucking ran away he's like i want no part of this shit apparently skinner was pissed off that it happened because he's like ah fuck now we got to clean this all up and figure out what to do with this guy and jesus christ so apparently um bellinger and stevens then leave the home and uh skinner is like well this is all me i guess so he's left to

clean this up they basically said you fucking do it we got shit to do you got to clean this up and make this get rid of this because you know it's in my living room right it's not a nice thing to do call the wolf i'm leaving pretty much yeah i'm taking the fuck off so skinner moves the body it's in the dining room he drags it outside and then carries him and puts it into adams had driven there in his mother's car. Yeah. So he puts the body into his mother's car. Got to get rid of that for now. Right. So he can go in and try to clean. Doesn't do a good job at all of cleaning the blood up.

Right. Coked up and drunk on no sleep for a day and a half is not the best cleaning. Cleans like my nine year old. Yeah. Just on Coke. Great cleaning. Yeah. Up two days.

We alcohol to cleaning goes out the window a little bit. So then he does basically a half ass job of cleaning it up. Like if you walked in there and gave it any more than a quick once over, you'd go, what the fuck? Murder happened. That skull over there. Yeah, it's fucking gross. I see skull and hair. He then sent a text message to a friend of his who will talk about it's britney derby uh

derby shire who a young lady uh who is actually used to be i don't know if she is at this point but at some point is ryan bellinger's girlfriend so that's how she got into the whole mix here so she knows all these people um anyway sent her a text requesting a ride to Moncton and also a swing by the river where he can dump the gun. So she does it. They leave Stacey Adams in his mom's car outside, which, you know, not really the best strategy here. She drives him. They throw the gun in the Petticoatiac River. And then they go on to Moncton, and they said

that there was blood left all over the floor. Didn't do a good job at all. He just literally picked up the chunks, and then maybe did a quick wipe up with half a roll of paper towels, and then was like, that's good. He didn't close McDonald's. He did shift change. That's all it was, man. That's all it was. The shift change. just clean the shit off the outside of the toilet right

if it's around the inside of it we'll deal with that at the end of the day new hires will deal with that on the third just make sure the floor is shit free that's all we're asking right now shit free mickey d floor so um the the gun actually is recovered by police out of the river what they end up pulling it out of the river. What? They end up pulling it out of the river later on. They drug it, huh? Yeah, that's pretty fucking amazing, honestly, here. So he goes to the Moncton Airport at 630, and he flies back to Vancouver under a false name.

Now, the next day, he takes off from Vancouver and goes to Mexico. Really? So he ends up in Mexico, and goes to Mexico. Really? So he ends up in Mexico. Flees to Mexico. Now you'd wonder, what's some Canadian whatever going to do in Mexico? Right. You'd be surprised what he can do. I think he'd stand out a little bit. That's what I mean.

And you'd imagine, here's one thing you'd imagine. From what I've seen, if you watch Narcos and shit like that, it's a pretty tight-knit culture as far as the drug culture in like you know columbia and places like that to be a white guy outsiders are not necessarily invited no if you're to be a white guy from canada and end up doing what he's gonna do is fucking insane it's impossible how the fuck imagine if i said go to south america and become a drug kingpin right now i mean crush your rivals yeah fucking show no fear just you know get the distribution everything how long would it take you to make a plan for that you go whoa take me a few years to

get in with them here probably you'd be able to trust after a week you'd be like i think i found a hotel yeah down there okay so i'm gonna that's step one decent neighborhood the trip advisor was pretty good it was pretty good so step one there's that there's a nice restaurant in the lobby so i got that now i'm gonna work on how to become the actual drug dealer i figured out where to stay that's the thing so steve is gone um he's out of there he ends up uh in uh mazatlan mexico beautiful yeah nice he's doing fine for himself down there so uh june 2011 the police investigation generated sufficient information for the police to now charge him with the murder of stacy adams but they can't find him they don't know where the fuck he is but he's

he's charged, and there's a warrant out for his arrest. Not yet, though, because they have some loose ends to tie up. They figure out that he was driven to the airport and had the gun dumped by the Brittany Derbyshire girl. Okay, so this woman here. So what they do is,

they figure she's the key. She's not like a drug dealer. She just kind of knows these people. She was somebody's girlfriend. She's the weak link in this whole thing. Seems to be. Yeah, and all the murder. If it's going to have three hardened drug dealer kingpins or her, it's probably the blue one of them.

Let's talk to her. Let's talk to the fucking blowjob Sally over here. So that's what we're gonna do may 27 2011 police obtain authorization and a warrant uh here the authorization permits interception recording of communications of a number of people including britney and steve skinner so anything he has but he's not using his devices here of course not uh there were various locations listing uh listed where interceptions could take place, residence, motor vehicle, all that sort of shit. And there's a catch-all provision in the warrant permitting interception

at other places where there's reasonable grounds to believe they were or would be used by any of the people here. So arrangements were made to intercept telephone calls from Brittany Derbyshire, and that's a 60-day warrant they had here. If you're a wire fan, it's the 60-day wire tap. So Detective Constable Stephen Langill of the... Does that mean his first name is Constable? No, but it should be.

That'd be a coincidence. Hi, I'm Detective Constable Constable Stephen langiel uh he's of the halifax regional police service was a lead investigator in this homicide here um he said that they weren't uh successful in getting any evidence off of this wiretap because steve's gone and she's not like calling her girlfriends going so you know i don't know what he's been up to just driving away from murder scenes you know i had to dump a weapon what an asshole stupid he had to go he's going to mexico i was like why are you going to mexico it's like so hot but then he said mazatlan and that place is beautiful i looked it up i googled it and i was like oh that's nice maybe we should visit

sometime he said i couldn't go i was like why like you know we can hang out and do whatever and he was like no i need to be on my own i was like who wants to be on their own in a hotel like that and i was like i think he's got another woman i don't know but i'm not even going out with him so i don't even know what i'm talking about maybe that's what happened similar similar um so uh that's all you're gonna get though so what they decide to do is they have to do an undercover operation they need to take this up a notch oh boy so the canada's great with this they're fucking hilarious yeah as we talked about those mr big stings where they'd set up this whole thing they do a similar thing here and all that shit doesn't isn't a documentary about the two

boys or the dad the dad actually says the phrase blow me down and he's dead ass serious when he says it. Blow me down. Never say that shit dead ass serious. So July 14, 2011, Brittany is contacted by a biker gang from Montreal. Hell yeah. Oh, oui, oui. Oui, oui. We do the, we sell the crystal methamphetamine and do the rape. We do so many rape.

I don't even remember how many we rape. French Canadians. I don't know. We rape. I have lots of... Yeah, French Canadian bikers. The toughest. That sounds like maybe the gayest thing I've ever heard in my life.

And I don't mean that like, ew, that's gay. I mean a group of gay men. Right. That's the gang they would form that's why french canadian biker gang that's why gays started wearing leather because yeah the french canadian biker gang well yes it was look it up on on wikipedia i'm sure that's what the french canadian it's very specific but that's i mean this seems like a large group of very gay men have gotten together and we're gonna make a point god damn it so it's very interesting that

they choose that but i guess there are there was even back in like the 60s there was actually like french canadian biker gangs like yeah they're they're very i'm told french canadians are pretty disgusting they're pretty disgusting yeah like there's some bad people oh some bad people i was like what are they like no i would have no toilet paper they use their, James. They just use their hand and then they refuse to wash it. It's part of the culture. I don't know. And they lick it and say, listen, prepare a croissant and sell it to me. And I think it's wrong.

No, they're bad people. There's a bunch of really tough, like actually tough people that are French. Yeah, there's a lot of I don't I don't know one way or the other because I've never been to any place that has French Canadians. A lot of hockey players used to be French Canadian. That would make sense, right? Yeah, before all the communist country guys came in. Then they were like, oh, we can get these guys instead.

But yeah, a lot of French Canadian hockey players were there. So they might be mean. We don't know. So this case, undercover operation carried out by the RCMP. They prepared a document. This is so fucking funny, the way they do this they the plan suggested that the scenario be to be used should involve members of an outlaw motorcycle gang who were being adversely affected by the fallout from the murder right okay so they want information so they can do whatever so we can

fix this so we can fix it because we're going to rectify things so they contact britney yeah here we're gonna call britney and scared yeah her name couldn't be any better too it's literally britney like it says sounds like some stephanie or yeah wait to hear the car she drives too you're like britney and it's like a 2007 toyota yaris hell yeah you're like okay this is not like a criminal mastermind clearly britney and her yaris pulls off and you're like i don't think so so come on man i know yeah they got a diy in one of those jesus that's a bad fucking thing that's embarrassing we're gonna tow it just keep it yeah they go to an impound lot and go let me get my car back which one the yaris the yaris the what we were just watching 90 day fiance last night and uh they were in ethiopia yeah this woman has moved to ethiopia

and they're trying to buy a car in ethiopia they have like this crazy thing where the taxes there are like import taxes for cars like five times the cost of the car some crazy shit so literally a uh a 2008 toyota yaris yeah this is in 2020 this is happening a 2008 toyota yaris was 22 500 american dollars what the fuck i was like what then they had a 2001 jesus a 2001 yeah i mean this thing the the you know the ones where the the hood isn't like it doesn't close all the way it's a little that's how shitty it was 17 000 american dollars what happens when your credits shit here yeah that's why the fucking mafia brings cars over to countries like that and they sneak them in because they're fucking worth a fortune step the tax yeah you can't that's unbelievable you can sell it for a shitload and do all that so wow so this is pretty fucking

interesting yeah so they're going to be a motorcycle gang here they get the operations approved and sergeant david chubbs is designated as the cover officer all right old chubby chubbs uh it's his responsibility to design the specific undercover scenario and direct the operation he's been a cover officer as well as an undercover operator since 2000 he's experienced he's been in approximately 80 operations in various capacities so he knows how to run an operation is what they were trying to get at here uh so jesus christ he said that in designing an undercover scenario he does not want the target to be afraid yeah so you approach a young lady with a biker gang because that never scares them

ever i don't want to terrify britney and her yaris at best i'm going to be gang rape that's not at best that's not the scenario that you're looking for as a young lady is what i'm getting at and no so uh he tries to he says he tries to create a situation of trust and an atmosphere where the target will want to talk he says they're more likely to speak openly when they're not frightened yeah okay um now discussions between all the investigators they decided that you know derby shire was the best britney are going after young britney they said that it's not going to be an ongoing operation. It's got to be a one-shot scenario.

They got to develop a cover story that's going to be believable, that requires immediate action, and she'll believe it, right? So they are representatives from a criminal organization in Montreal who had business dealings with Mr. Skinner and his associates and were being adversely affected by the homicide. That's the cover story. He described the one of his officers here as a flamboyant Quebecer who was very experienced and would be able to present a very credible gangster. So he does that.

This is they don't give his name because he's an undercover officer. They call him Corporal I. That's it. So this guy here and another guy, another guy they talk about, it's been an undercover guy here. I guess this guy's done a shitload of undercover operations. The second guy over 100 operations. So very experienced. They arrive in Halifax and they're given a briefing by the sergeant about the operation and all that sort of shit.

One time approach. They said they need information from her on anything that they could find out. Briefing by the sergeant about the operation and all that sort of shit. One time approach. They said they need information from her on anything that they could find out. So they play members of this gang. Jesus is so fucking ridiculous here. They said they were sent to make sure there was no loose ends. You know, in the murder and everything. And to clean up any mistakes is the way they put it. That's what they're going to tell britney so they're instructed to get her to talk about her

role in the murder and subsequent events she even gets asked to carry out a reenactment and provide information about evidence and uh all that sort of shit and end up finding the murder weapon because of her how come she didn't know these were cops because they come she's she's not as soon as they say reenacted i'd be like you're all like show us how do what how did it happen we don't believe you fucking show us and she's scared shitless yeah you're all cops look at you like you're all cops why do you want french canadian bikers how it works not buying it jesus so they apparently wore like you know fucking motorcycle what they thought was motorcycle gang attire, including chains and jewelry and shit like that. You know, which so stupid.

They went to Spencer's. Yeah. They're like, I think this looks pretty good. I got a skull. I think, you know, like I put it on this ring. It looks pretty cool. Just dressed like Ozzy. Yeah.

That's all. Just dressed like, but not even old Ozzy. Just like, like Osborne's Ozzy. Just robes. robes and blue circle sunglasses that's it so they rent a black suburban with tinted windows as most bikers do right the plan is to contact her at her residence which was an apartment in lower sackville of course and a police surveillance team went out to locate her. They parked the vehicle outside of her underground parking garage. This is like a whole operation here.

She spent the night at a friend's house in Bedford, and then she left to go home around 10 a.m. in her 2007 Toyota Yaris, which is the two-door hatchback model. Of course it is. They specify. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. She was located, and they informed the undercovers that she's about to come in there, so they're all ready. She arrived at her apartment building, swiped her access key to the garage door.

She drove in. She noticed this Suburban with two men in the parked outside entrance. And once they saw her car enter the building, they got out of the Suburban and just walked through the open garage door. And it's a dim lit like parking garage so you have uh some french canadian bikers approaching you for a young lady this is uh weird yeah she's like how they tell me to hold my keys in that self-defense class like that's what you're thinking at that point so she gets out of her car notices them walking toward her quickly and um she starts to freak out a little bit here.

They said they approached her very quickly and like in an aggressive fashion. As they neared her, he pointed at her and shook his hand. Basically, it was like, hey, he raises his voice and says, Brittany, and then motions to his truck. Brittany, jump in the fucking car i need to fucking talk to you oh boy the words he says so she's like i don't even know these people they tend to know her and they want her to get in the car right that's scary does she do it fuck yeah she does it yeah she's scared shitless she got in the driver's seat for some reason and uh i've never driven one of these i'll get in in. No, she got in. He put her in her car. Get back in your car.

He sat in the passenger seat here. And the other cop stood directly outside the driver's door. So it couldn't be open. Like, you know, trapped her in the car, basically. There's some questions, you know, whether he heard anything from the outside. That doesn't matter here. She said the window was up and both cops said it was down. That's how that worked.

So, Jesus Christ. So imagine this shit. She's scared shitless, obviously. here she said the window was up and both cops said it was down that's how that worked so uh jesus christ so imagine this shit she's scared shitless obviously as you can imagine once in the car this guy says that he continued to be very aggressive he spoke in a raised voice stared at her shook his finger at her threatened her scared the shit out of her in a time this is a tiny car oh boy to have a big guy who you're scared of on top of you in a tiny car like this yeah that makes it much much worse uh he said that his tone was very very direct here and uh they said they were sent by people whose business was hurt and they're gonna clean things up he told britney quote don't fucking bullshit me don't fucking lie to me i want to know what happened. So she's scared shitless.

She agreed that, you know, that's fine. Your business has been hurt, and I'd love to help you out with that, basically. Whatever I can do to get out of this car with you would be great. Whatever I can do to not hear you swear way too much and be unconvincing about it, I'd love to get out of here. That's the thing. He's like, cops love doing that. They're like, the fuck did you do last fucking friday fucking night that's why do you talk like that because that's giving it away they're trying to fill it in because they don't know what else to

say so they're like they curse a lot in the street you ever hear on the uh iceman confessions there the tape between him and the yeah that's what i mean that guy says it way too much what do you do with the fucking uh poison you fucking uh do the thing with the fucking this and that and you put it in his fucking ass fuck right fucking fuck him in the mouth right you fuck him you fuck him and even it's too much like it's over the top for us even it's a little off-putting and even uh kuklinski he goes well there's a will there's a way my friend yeah i can get it done it's like what do you do this fucking cyanide fucking shit you just fucking put it in the fucking it's like it's real quiet like that yeah weird why are you swearing so much this is strange very strange it's no one else swear how

come you're swearing more than anyone i've ever heard in my life why are you acting like you're pretending to act like somebody else yeah it's like you just you say fuck and that makes it a criminal a meme because i said fuck that's what criminals do yeah i don't know don corleone didn't say fuck once i didn't hear it never so uh the she immediately agreed to do this and they said they were surprised they thought there would have to be some she would say i don't know what you're talking about and they'd have to go around in circles but she was just like okay no problem do whatever you want that's great um yeah no problem she whatever she said that uh she will later say when she was approached by them she was very scared she said they look like serious people or gangsters based upon their demeanor and dress she was told by the man in her car that his business was fucked up in montreal and uh that

he knew that she was involved and had driven Skinner out of Nova Scotia and he wanted to deal with the mess and he said that he was there to deal with a rat who'd been talking to the police. So she said she certainly didn't want them to think she was any kind of rat, so she was more than willing to help them out in finding someone else to murder.

I've never talked to the cops. In fact, I'm dumb and don't even know if I've ever talked to the cops i don't know anything i don't even know that i'm talking to them right now i don't know anything yeah i'm talking to two i don't see shit she said she was terrified of what happened what would happen to her if she didn't provide the information they were looking for so um yeah within a few minutes she was providing significant information like this did not take long trying to save her own life i don't even know if they needed to dress up no they could have just ran up and like fucking britney or tell us some shit you're like okay they're gonna learn their own badges yeah you accosted a young woman in a fucking dimly lit parking garage she would have

you know you didn't need to do much more than that to scare. In 2011? Yeah. Yeah, 2011. Women are very well aware that they are targets no matter where they go. Shit, yeah. So she gives up a bunch of information. She said she was aware of some evidence that was in Moncton and some in Fall River. She drew two rough maps on pages, which from a daytimeer book she had in her car. She ripped pages out, drew the maps. Like, this is like, she's doing everything. I'm scared to death. Yeah, she's like, I'll call up my mom.

Maybe she remembers something. I got baby pictures you want to see, possibly. Now, so apparently the corporal here, the corporal I, the one undercover guy, she says that he remained serious and aggressive throughout and that she tried to appear calm because she didn't want to let him know that she was terrified and then have him think that she was a rat and have be murdered. She said she tried to be friendly and nice, although it did not change how he treated her at all here. So she said that once she told them about the location of the evidence and drew a rough map he said he was going to uh then the corporal said well you're coming with us to moncton to show us this shit so she was like uh-oh um so she said uh the corporal here the one undercover guy said once

they were in the car and he explained that uh you know that he explained why they were there that she became uh relaxed and cooperative and she actually volunteered to take them to Moncton and she says they made her go so that's the discrepancy here with the undercover so the sergeant there said that she seemed normal and not too nervous as well he

heard the corporal suggest that she that they take that she take them to Moncton and she readily agreed to do so that's where it comes up whether the windows are open or not whether he could hear that shit or not so the the sergeant who is you know running the operation away from these two he keeps contact with them through texts like they're riding among yeah this fucking idiot's driving us to moncton she's gonna take us right to the evidence uh kept a timeline this kept a timeline of events as well because

this is like kind of like when they do audio notes instead. It's texting it out. So it indicated that at 1056 a.m. She arrived at her apartment by 1112. They were on their way to Moncton. So that's amazing. In 16 minutes, she was voluntarily taking two gangster strangers to find murder evidence. And that's fucking amazing. Awesome. 16 minutes, she was voluntarily taking two gangster strangers to find murder evidence. And that's fucking amazing.

It's awesome. 16 minutes it took. Think about that. It takes them 12 hours to break a fucking murder. It took them six hours to get Brendan Dassey to admit to something. And he's challenged as fuck. Yeah, but. 16 minutes.

She's like, oh, I'll take you there. Let's go. He may or may not have done it that's so he didn't really know anything this chick knows and she did it so for sure it's different and she wants to fuck out i think she's trying to get this over with as quickly as possible here um so uh wow so they end up going there's all sorts of shit they stopped at tim hortons they did they actually stopped at tim hortons swear to god and service stations and restaurants oh hey let's get some donuts eh and uh she pointed out two locations

where evidence had been disposed of during the course of the trip there were also more discussions about the adams murder which provided additional details and all that sort of shit but basically she wouldn't wasn't there for the murder and they kind of know that so uh they're just getting after the fact shit so uh she was allowed to keep her phone the whole time but was not permitted to send or receive text messages without showing them to the guy sitting in the back seat to make sure she wasn't calling for help or some shit here so she uh she said she was very nervous but she didn't want to give any indication of this she answered any questions they had because

she said she really wanted to help him clean up the mess she didn't want him to think she was part of the problem and uh when they were returning from moncton he began to ask questions about her family and she was afraid that yeah i don't want to answer i don't want her i don't have a family no my parents died when I was two. I'm adopted. No brothers, no sisters. Left at a fire station. It's really rough.

I was a lone leech. I was raised by wolves, actually, in the forest. So you're a fan? They wrote that about me. That was me. And also that Howie Mandel movie, Walk Like a Man. That's about me also. Just raised by wolves. So I don't know what you're talking about.

It's the worst fucking movie. I used to love it when I was a kid. So did I. I loved it. I watched it all the time. I used to love it when i was a kid so long i loved i watched it i used to watch it too all the time it was so stupid both of them he's so you know what so stupid and goofy but i was nine howie mandel's fucking terrible but i loved him that's not a hot take jimmy howie mandel is not a fucking terrible no he's canadian also all right well take him back yeah you can have him he's awful We'll trade you for somebody else.

He used to be funny, and then he became kid funny, and then he did two movies, and we had enough of his shit. Then he became game show, network game show funny, which means not funny. We've had enough of his shit. Don't say anything that wouldn't offend a 65-year-old church lady. Right. Oh, okay. Go back home.

Never mind then. Yeah. Never mind then here. I love when he would just go on stage and laugh, and then go what what yeah he's all it was so funny it was fun when you're a kid yeah when i was a kid i loved that shit because there's a fucking rubber glove on his head i'm laughing as a kid you're like if i had an act that's what it would be that's what you know when you're eight that's how you say yeah it's not clever i don't have to think of it i'm like i have all that shit in this house and laughing goof and everybody like this looks great and then you do that in school and you get

in trouble right that's what ends up happening my ass or get the shit beaten out of you fuck you howie man yeah fucking howie people are pulling the glove all the way over your face and you can't breathe at all it's blowing out like him right wait i gotta take a breath so that when i blow it it pops off hold on please please so howie howie they get back to uh her apartment at 6 30 p.m so this has been going on since 10 something this morning wow uh she asked whether she still had the clothes she wore on april 10th that's what they ask her when they get back and she offered to go to her apartment and get them for them she is as cooperative it doesn't get any more cooperative yeah this is like she's like sammy the bull level

cooperative this is crazy shit here so she offered to go up and retrieve them uh the cop said no that they would go up with her we'll go up with you're not going by yourself she uh she said they were looking at pictures of her family and friends while they were in her apartment which she was freaked out by she said this made her very nervous um she was she described the corporal in the apartment as super aggressive he said that he hoped that she told them everything so he didn't have to come back and deal with her again. So she's scared shitless. So at that point, once she

started to cooperate and he said that at that point, he kind of changed his tone in the apartment where she said he was super aggressive the whole time. During the trip three times he said he asked her if she was afraid and she said she wasn't. He said his reason for

doing so is he wanted to make sure everything was voluntary because she was in a situation where people might be scared yeah she whether she says she's scared or not right you fucking scared you came up to a young woman in a dimly lit parking garage which is right away the cliche of the scariest thing ever and then forced her to take you somewhere and her this is fucking this is literally kidnapping it took her out of her car put her in your dark tinted suv which is basically the van of the 2000s right and fucking drove me what the fuck of course she's scared are you kidding me it's either that or a foreign uh creep who does terrible things to people yeah Yeah, bad stuff all around here.

The black tinted SUV is never a good thing to be in. Isn't that how the Joe Sun thing happened exactly? Yeah, exactly. This is the exact way that Joe Sun, who was in the dimly lit parking thing everywhere, Joe Sun, an MMA fighter. Around this time? We did a, say 2009-ish yeah we did a christmas episode about him actually a couple years ago but joe's son was mma fighter who kidnapped women hey merry christmas

i don't know i was like that's our christmas episode of everybody so that he would do this exact thing but then he would brutally rape them and brutalize these women whereas so everybody has that with a friend who was driving disgusting these two pieces of shit listen to that episode if you haven't it is gross so yeah she's saying he's saying no she wasn't afraid yeah right uh at one point in the apartment he became aggressive again and to remind her that he was the boss he says don't fucking talk to anyone i'm the only guy you can trust you just met me in two hours ago and i kidnapped you from a dimly lit parking garage only guy you can trust so uh yeah he got the clothes uh they end up getting the clothes from

her she um you know they said that she had uh they had general conversations on the ride there and back the cops were saying they even told a few jokes once in a while and stuff. They did yell at her, raised their voice several times when they told her not to lie to make sure that she was telling the truth. And they said that they don't. The cops said that he did not remember being left with any instructions or anything like that to call her the next day or any follow up. They left the apartment at 634 p.m. So that's a seven andand-a-half-hour ordeal here. After leaving the apartment, they went to a debriefing,

and they gave their recollection of all that shit. Forty-minute debriefing. And as a result of this, undercover officers tried to reconnect with her to get a recorded statement, but a recorded statement but uh the no further meeting took place here so july 22nd 2011 britney is charged as an accessory after the fact to murder oh shit now this is fucked because if they would have went to her and she would have made a deal with them she wouldn't have gotten this but instead they did this big big operation and so it's a little bit different and they issue an international arrest a warrant or arrest a warrant arrest

warrant looking for skinner that's in interpool i guess so yeah this is they they must um i think they found out from her that he was gone and they were like well we need to spread this out a little outside of canada so where the fuck is he where is he well at the time the warrant was released they had heard rumors that skinner was either dead or in mexico and you know all sorts of rumors april of 2012 they got some mysterious pictures uh mexican police investigating the death of an alleged uh of a british colombian crime figure in mexico Mexico named Thomas Gisby, a search of the residence that he was in, found dead in, uncovered photos showing dead Steve Skinner, showing Steve Skinner dead, photos of his body murdered.

OK, so the police found that and they they passed that along to Canadian authorities. And but I got a polaroid in the white spot it said dead steve skinner yeah like they could tell as a him his face or whatever so they find out who he is and because he's part of this whole thing we'll find out he's well known okay he's known he's not like mexico they know oh yeah all right in columbia and venezuela he's jesus oh yeah he's a hardcore motherfucker so the uh rm rcmp here up in canada they determined from these pictures it looks like he's dead but they find out that he is not dead no they determine that the pictures are staged oh they're staged pictures so basically it the

theory is and it makes perfect sense that he took staged pictures of himself dead, put him in this guy's house, then murdered this guy. Made it look like that guy murdered him. Murdered this guy so police would find pictures of him dead and they would stop looking for him. So in order to do that, he had to murder a man. Wow. Or that's what the thought is here. So he's not dead. They find out that he's probably living in Mexico.

so uh he's not dead they find out that he's probably living in mexico they find out that he's living in mexico under the name steve shannon which is one of at least four aliases that he's used while he's on the run yeah he has identification for uh he used a fake mexican passport issued in the name of shane martinez okay from there he traveled from mexico to panama in may of 2012 and then took off from there so there's a lot of mexican nationals named shane shane shane martinez my name is what a fucking dummy my name is cooper lopez look at his face though i mean you don't look at that guy and go yeah mexican yeah totally mexican national you go hi white guy who are you from wisconsin or something oh canada close enough i was close i'm from mexico look at you look at raider season tickets you got raider season tickets there's wesley wesley guadalajara that's

me johnny guantanamera you know me that's right you know me that's right oh my god but it's kyle de jesus you know how i am that's right so fuck in court britney here she's she seems like the real fucked one of everybody here she got called she had to drive this guy these days like she's just been they really put her through the ringer everybody has here so uh in court her defense is that she alleges that her statements to the undercover officers and the physical evidence obtained as a result of those statements are inadmissible against her under the statute because they the way they did it because all that Mr. Big shit. You don't know. We did an episode in small town murder where they caught a murderer like this. Canada would do these very, very big overblown operations to catch very small right things and small fish and where they

would come and like set up this whole thing like they have like a criminal enterprise and you're like almost like multi-level marketing like they come to you like we've recruited you for our criminal enterprise and like set these people these are people who weren't doing that anyway but they set them all up and then you gangster amway yeah and then they charge them with the shit that they've helped them set up which is like you did this not me it's super yeah exactly kind of like the fbi does that too they go hey you want to be a terrorist tell you what we'll give you some bombs everything will be great he's a terrorist well why'd you tell him to get fun obviously you know they shouldn't be

wanting to accept that but you're you're seeking people out to try to get them to do shit you're pushing it on them yeah that happens a lot dealers don't do they don't go knock on doors hey how much would you like some weed and then next week they bring you meth and heroin we'll give them this he's gonna like this no they sit at home and go they'll be here yeah that's it they'll show up they'll be coming i told a couple of dudes you know it's so funny there's always like ebbs and flows in markets housing markets crash there's a lot of all this shit you never see anybody with like the heroin market has bottomed out right people have kilos of heroin they can't that's just sitting in warehouses can't do a thing with it just nobody wants it anymore right now it never happens ever there's a man putting in an oven right now who's gonna make it uh harder and build houses out of bricks that's right fuck

that's the only thing you can do with it it's useful nobody will use it that's all jesus christ so um what she says in court is that uh she uh it's the right against self-incrimination and the right to make full answer and defense. She says that the behavior or behavior of the two officers that were undercover amounted to functional detention of her and therefore any statements which she gave infringed her right to silence. She said they basically took me into custody. So if you take me into custody because it wasn't like they met at a diner and they were all talking right they she said once you take me into custody that's two police officers taking a person into custody you gotta read me rights that's yeah you can just because you didn't say your police officers you're not gonna know it's still a police situation and also they said that uh her right to make a full answer you know like confront your accuser basically was allegedly

breached because of the failure to record her interaction they weren't wearing tape recorders basically so she argues that the police had the authority and ability to record the discussions that took place during the operation either by audio or video and she said that uh without that recording she's unable to properly defend herself since crucial details of the evidence have been lost and it's her word against her theirs and all that kind of shit evidence have been lost and it's her word against her theirs and all that kind of shit so uh the court says there's no obligation for all undercover operations to be recorded so that would be impossible because what if they're in a situation where they can't be recorded that evidence doesn't count you know if you're donnie brass donnie

brosco and you had to take the tape recorder out of your fucking boot. Now, nothing you heard matters. So they said you can't have that. And they said that providing detailed statements about her involvement in the homicide was unexpected and devoting the necessary resources to arrange for the recording operation was not warranted. So they say that, you know, that's fine. But they also said that the undercover operations are by their nature somewhat unsavory because it's these scenarios being portrayed but they've long the courts have recognized police should be given latitude in undercover operations but uh she also says that

about the uh she talks about the the full whatever it is make a full answer of shit a lot none of the authorities uh which i have reviewed suggest the failure to record and undercover police operation violates the right to make full answer so they say fuck you on that one uh now they said there's evidence from multiple sources that steve skinner was a violent and intimidating man britney knew him for a number of years was aware of his involvement in the drug trade. During cross-examination, she described him as a high-end gangster and MMA fighter. Better gangster than fighter.

Let's say that. Much better. It is inconceivable to me that, this is a judge writing this, that Ms. Derbyshire would have provided information about the location of physical evidence that would link Skinner to the Adams murder within the first couple of minutes of an encounter with her, or with the police officers, unless she felt threatened or afraid, which is true.

She was obviously scared shitless. So they said the the states, the crown in this case, suggestion that she was being cooperative and helpful and volunteering shit is not. They said it's not consistent with common sense. Basically, that's bullshit. and volunteering shit is not they said it's not consistent with common sense basically that's bullshit so they ordered this whole review um and they ended up ordering the evidence obtained by the undercovers to be excluded from trial really so she ends up being acquitted of accessory after the fact yeah that's it um that's they said, she is an accessory after the fact, but doing a police investigation has to be better than that. And if that guy calls you and said, hey, I need a ride.

And then once you show up, he's like, you're taking me to drop a gun off. I just killed this guy. He's a scary, crazy fuck. You're going to do it. He just killed somebody. You're doing it. I think that he won't do it again. Yep.

So she was acquitted after that this was uh this was they basically put it under the umbrella of those mr big operations and they said that it's excluded by the judge which then they had no evidence and uh she's gone now steve is in mexico here uh like i said and um they found the pictures and everything like that march of 2013 steve is arrested okay in colombia oh he's arrested by colombian immigration police i don't exactly know what he did to get arrested but this was at the medellin airport into like yeah likely smuggling in 2013 he was using a fake mexican passport at the time so that might have been it and was fingerprinted and released before they found out who he really was oh my god so that's what ended up happening they didn't even know who the fuck he was once they let him go and found out after the fingerprints came back they

went oh jesus the kaiser soze was right there his name's not kyle at all fuck god damn cooper so february of 2015 uh they think he's been living in venezuela now uh there he's been using the names paul segura fitzgerald and uh shane sampson martinez why is he going with shane he loves it steve shane say i don't know it's an s name what do you want to bet he's a huge tom segura he probably is he knows he's fucking portuguese and he's like great name i'm using it i'm using it paul segura fitzgerald that's hilarious so i'm segura uh tom segura we tom segura is hilarious yeah that's a family guy joke so uh no so may 15th 2016 in venez, he is hanging out on the beach in his fucking Margarita Island Beach. Oh, there's so much Jimmy Buffett.

He's in his beach shorts. He's got a bathing suit. No shirt. He's laying in the sand when the police approach and arrest him. Oh, no. Yup. It's five o'clock somewhere. Fuck.

One more sip of that. Come on. One more sip. Please please it's got fruit on the side you know it's delicious so uh yeah he's been doing that he's 43 at the time got caught there he's calling himself james alexander o'neill parella now gotta throw a mexican one in there on the end of a very irish name james alexander o'neill sounds like a boston police chief in the 40s and then you're gonna add perella in there like we're all gonna be like oh okay oh all right oh he's done as well and we thought obviously the o'neill threw us off but so uh yeah the so dumb man uh so one of the family representatives said, words cannot describe the emotions the family has at this time. It's Stacey Adams' family.

The mother, Gloria, who we're going to talk about, Stacey's mom, who may or may not have it going on, is going to have a lot of fucking things to say here. You keep saying Stacey Adams, and I'm like, isn't that a basketball player? No, they make decent-looking, affordable shoes. That's what Stacey Adams is. Oh, okay. I keep thinking of Stacey Adams, and I'm like, isn't that a basketball player? No, they make decent-looking affordable shoes. That's what Stacey Adams is. Oh, okay.

I keep thinking of Stacey Peralta, and that's a skateboard. Stacey Adams is a dude's shoes. That's why I remember this. There you go. Okay. So they said, we've anticipated this day for five long years. It's been five years since the murder, and the promise was made by Stacey's mother. Gloria has been fulfilled, and we as a family will take it one day at a time from here.

Now, the mother says, quote, never underestimate a mother's promise to her son. So he is stuck now in a jail down there for now. In Venezuela. Yeah, he's just doing his thing. Because there's a big, long thing before he can get extradited. That's a long way to go. And we'll find out why, because there's other big long thing of before he could can get extradited that's a long way to go and we'll find out why because there's other countries interested in him for me oh this is we haven't even heard his horror shit yet so he is sitting down there and uh and just probably

still has sand on him yeah he didn't even wash me i'm just stuck in there stuck to his calves yeah he's fucking and imagine being his cellmate think about that think about coming in that door and seeing him they're all crazy eyed going i'm o'neill perella rodriguez fucking cooper how you doing holy shit this guy's gonna kill me i'm in here for baltimore murders lots of them just murder oh great this is wonderful so and steve's ready for it he's like i will fucking rear naked choke your ass and we'll be naked and it'll be from the rear trust me so they're all ready to go here and uh there's a knock on the door and he's getting ready to fight the door swings open no need to fight because it's the mexican pimp guns blazing yeah watch out steve and he says How is it you've come to arrive here?

Why? Why are you here? This is my country. You come here. Yeah. I brought you here. I say, yes, you can work for me. We will be partners.

Yeah. What you need to do is you get women and you sell them to people. That's how the business works. And instead, you find it necessary to kill everyone in your sight. Why? Why you kill so many people when you can just find nice women,

you do whatever you want to them, and you sell them. Gone. Away from you. Where is that Britney woman? We sell her. We get back at her with a, i sell her all over the bottom all over the the southern mexican area but oh you know what you're useless to me you're too violent poof and in a poof of i don't know leopard skin and guns and tequila he's

gone and steve is very confused and wondering if it's the water yeah and he's very fucking confused so he was on interpol's most wanted list really caught him yeah like most wanted in the world considered armed dangerous and violent his occupation down in venezuela was uh listed as owning a tanning center no yeah tanning center so is that okay i've had this talk many times with people that do comedy and they go i'm a comedian and i go what pays your bills yeah and then they go oh i'm a telemarketer i go you're a telemarketer you're a telemarketer that's what you do that's what you do this guy do some comedy this guy kills people and does drug lord stuff nope you're a murderer and drug lord guy no no you don't understand jimmy he's he's got a couple he had he was a clothier before and

now he is just a a simple tanning yeah booth owner those are usually tanning booth owners get on interpol's most usually they are yeah i mean they should be because that's the stupidest thing ever but they don't usually that's the thing here so um yeah he's in custody here while behind bars they said that he's still conniving and uh a job they say in a report skinner is looking for ways to escape from prison trying to bribe guards and is actively involved in drug trafficking from his place of detention wow doesn't give a fuck still figuring it out in venezuelan prison dude's running shit he's running drugs bribing guards getting what he wants, trying to get... He's trying to bribe people to help him to escape.

Right. They won't help him escape, but he's still making a shitload of money. So 2016, September, the Crown, Canada, they appeal Britney's acquittal. Really? One thing they have in other countries is there's no double jeopardy exclusion. Really? So if you get acquitteditted they can appeal the acquittal whereas here you get acquitted that's it walk around you're out you got one shot and you fucking blew it marcia clark if she could have would have definitely appealed the acquittal but there was no appeal certainly i'm sure she hates seeing him

on twitter that's tough you get acquitted and they're like, not so fast. You might have to go through it again. So, um, the, they end up, uh, uh, holding,

upholding a decision that found that the police use intimidation tactics against her. And in a unanimous decision, the panel of three, a court of appeal judges said they were, uh, the court did the right thing by tossing out the evidence on, uh,

on obtained by undercovers quote i fail to see any other remedy that would protect the integrity of the justice system in light of justice wood's factual findings so june 7 2017 they're finally gonna extradite steve okay it's over a year yeah so he's finally down there what the fuck is taking so long? We'll find out here. The court granted the extradition, the Venezuelan court, in October of 2016. But they still, it took forever to go through. And the Canadian spokesman said they had to have all these ongoing discussions and timelines for surrender and all this type of shit. They were having trouble working out the, ironing out the details. this type of shit they were having trouble working out the ironing out the details um an international criminal law professor named robert curry said the case shows how time-consuming the extradition

process is and how canada is at the mercy of another country's justice processes yeah they have a hold of them and he says it's well known that venezuela is in a state of political disarray and upheaval right now this is is when Venezuela was a fucking mess. It still is, but it was the beginning of it. And no doubt that that is contributing to their justice system not operating as quickly and as efficiently as it could. So he finally arrives in court in Canada there. And as he's taken into court, Stacey Adams' mom is there. Oh, boy.

And the family's there. and everybody's shouting shit at him and uh throwing shoes at him accusing him of murder and yelling and uh all that shit she it was stacy's mom and about three dozen friends and supporters that's awesome it's a lot of people yeah um so she shouted skinner skinner who's this right here and pointing to uh uh her son and pictures of her son and all that sort of shit and she said i feel better now after she got to yell at him i don't blame her that's good the crowd broke out in applause after he was taken inside to face his murder charge and uh they had t-shirts saying we stay we stay on point like stacy adams i guess he was on point i don't know so is that a slogan so he's on point

motherfucker what do you want shit so gloria adams here at stacy's mom said she was at work on a saturday when a homicide officer noticed her that uh notified her that skinner had touched down on canadian soil and would be appearing in court she fucking ran over there got ready to yell at him so uh yeah she said quote i just wanted him to understand how much my son meant to me appearing in court. She fucking ran over there, got ready to yell at him. So, uh, yeah, she said, quote, I just wanted him to understand how much my son meant to me and always will. She said it was bittersweet seeing him in court after years of launching a bid to have him arrested and returned to face the charges.

Obviously she said, I went into a rage that I never thought as a human being. And as a mother, I was capable of having, as time goes on, you live with hope. You continue your hunt and you fulfill your promise at the end of the day. Just let it be an example for everyone else out here

that wants justice. Listen, jump on board, and do everything you gotta do to bring it. Okay? Sounds like a Peter Gabriel lyric. It kinda does, right? Sounds like a song, doesn't it? I think it's the middle of Salisbury Hill, is it not?

Even listen is in there. Yeah, listen. If there was a baby in there i'd say it's definitely a song what a great song uh when something like this happens to a family a mom you get thrown into a world that you don't even know exists i went into a rage i never thought i'd be capable of so uh in february is a preliminary hearing to determine if there's enough evidence for second degree murder charges he's also facing a slew of other charges including everything from the lower sackville spoon torture because he took off before

that went to court so he still faces all that shit as well so a murder and a torture he's got going on here, kidnapping torture. July 2018, Ryan Bellinger, his buddy, drug partner there, is arrested and put on trial. Him and about 75 other people were arrested in a sweep of this drug fucking whatever business. 75 employees at least. Yeah, incident in Toronto. He's co-accused uh they were trying to cook powder cocaine into crack cocaine in his apartment basically it was uh that was how

they started it they got a witness to say that uh he fled to a uh he fled leading to a canada-wide warrant for his arrest and later surrendered and uh was sentenced was sentenced for possession and purposes of trafficking and break-in and break-and-enter in 2014. So he was on parole in June of 2017 for using cocaine at a nightclub, and now he's charged again because he got arrested for that. He faces charges from the June 2018 bust that include possession of marijuana, cocaine, as well as possession of substances and the purpose of trafficking. All this type of shit. They had a nine-month investigation, and

they found they got a thousand criminal charges, 78 firearms, a shitload of ammo, 75 firearm magazines, clips, and drugs including cocaine, fentanyl, heroin, marijuana, cargenital cargen cargen 10 out

cargetanel i don't know what the fuck that is i'm out of the loop man oh boy and they seized a total of 184 000 in cash that's a lot that's a lot so uh now court documents link bellinger is the former boyfriend of britney derby derby shire that's how she is involved in this whole fucking thing here so uh during a press conference they showed off all this stuff from the bust and the cops said the individuals arrested in this operation are not simply kids being exploited by gang members nor are they addicts being used to support their addictions they are organized criminals a significant number of whom are no strangers to the criminal justice system so they're put away. Now, September 2018, what exactly was he doing in South America?

Let's talk about it. Not vacationing. He was one of the kingpins of a Colombian drug cartel. Of course he was. Which is what you would expect from a Canadian MMA fighter. That's the craziest transition I've ever heard in my life. It really is. I mean, if you're if

if you think about it it's actually kind of smart it's the last guy you suspect is the guy that's in charge i mean i suppose but it's how do you get to that point like how do you not get killed well before that because you're not as in this country as other people are be an mma fighter that's ruthless and will do anything to prove it so yeah he started a drug trafficking network called morph morph hox m-o-r-f-h-o-x you can look that up and find more about it morph hox with a guy named daniel el loco barrera yep so that's down there a lot of people you know anybody that's crazy if you get if you're the one they call el loco you're the craziest right that's it like you should be scared of them if you're the one they call El Loco, you're the craziest. That's it.

You should be scared of them. Yeah, you're scared of him. So him, along with his accomplice, who, by the way, he kills later on, fled to Venezuela. Skinner recruited drug mules to smuggle cocaine to Canada, U.S. and Europe. They said that a statement alleged that he recruited all these people to smuggle liquid cocaine to canada usa and europe the trafficking ring targeted seniors and mothers to be mules convincing them to swallow latex capsules filled with dress so he's just swallowing balloons basically um skinner's operation said to have purchased

passports airline tickets clothing and expenses for mules going to and from canada so they're sneaking a lot of shit in that way terrible job oh can you imagine no jesus christ it sucks enough flying eat this and shit it out for me and then pick it out of your shit for me thanks that's great don't flush any yeah we'll pick it right out of there so the uh yeah put a colander in your toilet and then so the col Colombian investigation into the more Fox ring began years ago and has resulted in the arrest of 27 people. Confiscation of 46 properties, 12 vehicles and four commercial establishments. It's fucking wild. They purchased drug mule passports and everything like that.

And they would promise bonus payments when the people returned to Colombia to get more successfully. So his partner was a guy named Frederico Lavoie, and he was from Quebec City. He was down there with him. And an undercover agent said he decided in 2011 to work for the police, his partner, after he finished a prison sentence and found himself in a shitload of debt over a failed plan to smuggle drugs into canada he was fucked the old people money he had no other way out so he went to the police and they agree uh agreed to use him for investigations he sought out his past connections and all this type of shit uh so uh basically that a guy lavoy agreed to set up an apartment in montreal's

griffin town from which they would distribute cocaine they put these two guys purchased a safe installed in an apartment and went to work um lavoy informed the other undercover agent that 100 kilos of cocaine had been delivered to the apartment so there was a good bus there uh so uh the they basically the the undercover officer's job was to keep guard of all the coke because the government fucking owned it and it was expensive um so he said he unpacked the cocaine from boxes and stacked the wrap packages and piles of five kilos each took photographs of them sent them to the cops um the agent said the process of me being an undercover agent was taken much more seriously after i sent the photos like oh this is real that they took it seriously so uh anyway there's another guy here uh who was alleged to be a part of a group of men

including a guy named shane kenneth maloney who was the leader of montreal's west end gang and controlled the cocaine that lavoie distributed that Steve Skinner had sent up. Okay, so this guy also pleaded guilty at some point here. Now, their undercover agent described this one point when he was informed that Lavoie was working with another guy here, was working with that guy. He was invited to dine with members of a group of drug traffickers. That's nice. That's what you want. It's a nice dinner here.

When they arrived, they found some members of the group of drug traffickers. That's nice. That's what you want. It's a nice dinner here. When they arrived, they found some members of the group seated in the VIP section drinking vodka. Very nice. That's good. Classy, classy. So anyway, Lavoie introduced the undercover officer to this kingpin. He could buy 100 kilos from and all this type of shit.

So all this is a big deal here. So anyway, what ended up having to happening to frederick was uh lavoie ended up being charged in that because he was doing some shit on the side from the cops as a lot of guys do if they're cooperating they're trying to get away with shit on the side too uh but they couldn't find him when they went to arrest him in november 2012 they ended up finding him though they found his dismembered body in uh packaged in four garbage bags in a town called sebanita uh a town 300 kilometers northwest of bogota columbia and they are pretty positive that steve skinner did it and the columbian authorities have alleged that he was killed

by steven skinner and they want to try him down there so holy shit yeah this is fucking crazy he is killing anyone he's involved with who knows how many people in colombia this guy has in his wake could be tons to get to from canadian dude right to colombian drug lord i feel like there's a lot of bodies under your there just has to be no one's letting you do that you're gonna have to wipe out a crew first like with machine guns and shit it's gonna be fucking crazy yes yeah this is called grenades there you go and he's been uh and he's been they're down there fucking building this up for years and years and he's gonna come in and take it yeah fucking thinks he's hot shit not right feel bad for these people jimmy feel bad for all these people

but not nearly oh my there's so many names i know i found some fun ones all right not nearly as bad as steve skinner english teacher at bradford college in leeds of in the uk that's hilarious because my english teacher's name was steve skinner that's perfect there's a lot of steve skinner's steve skinner a camera and electrical department guy on imdb he's been a cinematographer before he's done tons of sports college football he did ufc unrestricted ufc 25 years in short uh a bunch of ufc shit he's done uh hard knocks yeah done some 30 for 30 olympic shit he's a sports guy so it sucks for him steve skinner senior sales executive at landmark press in in the uk there or a vicious vicious man or vicious steve skinner owner of skinner

law firm in the greater chicago area stevener, president at Oregon Veterinary Specialty Hospital. Not man who hurts animals while torturing their owners. Steve Skinner, author with six books on Amazon. This dude's got a shitload of books. One of them is called The First Book of the Demon Wars. Oh, my. Oh, my. Sci-fi writer, huh?

Yeah. The description is, the first demon wars were 15 years ago god now the black cloaks the demons are their masters are ready to eradicate human life from the world who do i hate more him or the real steve are the real well want to hate him more hold on let me let me plead his whole case i believe he is the same man who call who says he's dr steve skinner and has a website. Not saying it's true. I think it's the same guy. And published his own bunch of magazines in the late 90s.

One called Whining and Dining. Another called Healthy Living. One called Alternatives. I don't know if that was... And one called XL. And then he was the publisher of a bunch of other shit too. Gold Life was one of them.

In 1998, he was responsible for launching and publishing the first full-color magazine on feng shui what what is who gives a feng shui for modern living it was called my god which was distributed in 41 countries with translated editions in german and chinese are you fucking kidding me how many tennis office are there? At its peak, the English edition sold over 121,000 copies a month. What the f- of Feng Shui? Of a fucking Feng Shui magazine. What the fuck?

Holy shit. How did he know that was going to hit? Wow. And he was nominated at the PPA Awards as the UK Publisher of the Year. It's the UK print media equivalent of the Oscars. How the hell did he... In 2003, he went to Malaysia and Singapore to facilitate

his researching into Feng Shui. Yeah, I'll bet he did. Feng Shui. That's why he went there. And helped find the International Feng Shui Association in Singapore, which is now in its 10th year. 2004 began publishing source works of ceremonial magic. What?

The first title was, this is just what it says here. Oh my God. The first title was The Practical Angel Magic of Dr. John D's Enochian Tables. He is the worst. Opening the doors on real 17th century century angel magic i repeat opening the doors on quote real 17th century angel magic right real magic from angels in the 1600s angels and magic in the same sentence angels real 1600s um okay wow and then a whole bunch of fucking jerk a complete century 17th century version of the four books of lemme lemme gatan are you as used by practicing any practicing

magician he then produced a new edition of three versions of the most famous the key of solomon the i give up on this fucking guy he's an asshole he's an asshole finally taking advantage of dumb people everywhere i can't even read his stupid shit finally steve kern who played skinner the wrestler and if you look up steve skinner yeah you get him so poor steve kern he has nothing to do with this he was a member of the fabulous ones seems like a good guy so september 2019 he's in court about to start trial on a second degree murder charge. Steve is in Canada. This is the Stacey Adams trial.

Yeah. Second degree murder. But just before it, the crown tells the justice that they would withdraw the murder charge and instead file a lesser one of manslaughter to which he has agreed to plead guilty. So they're going to let him get off for all of the shit he's done this includes the kidnapping torture spoon torture of the other guy and a full fledged fucking murder oh i hope the crown has the balls so after the uh uh he goes in there they put a suit on him this time he's wearing a pair of glasses they're covering up his tattoos and a sandy body that they found

him on the beach there so uh he pleads guilty to one charge of manslaughter an agreed statement of facts will be presented during sentencing to outline why and how he was killed adams his intoxication uh skinner's intoxication and paranoia were accepted as mitigating circumstances that led to the change in charges. Canada, you're too sweet. They're like, hey, you know, just trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. When was the last time you've been drunk? I mean, you've been drunk, right?

Shit. Last time I got drunk, I mean, I was playing hockey. I got in a fight with my best friend. That's what happens there. We're still best friends today. I mean, it's okay. Because we were both drunk. We were real drunk.

So, yeah. Little Donnybrook. Because we were both drunk. We were real drunk. So, yeah. Little Donnybrook. Little Donnybrook. So, Gloria Adams, Air Stacey's mom, says, quote, I always raise my family to understand that there are no excuses in life. You can't use alcohol as an excuse. You're not going to use drugs as an excuse. There is no excuse for what happened. However, there are excuses given.

Okay. Full of shit. Now, why the deal? Why make the deal? The Crown Council, Eric Taylor, said that they spoke about length here. They said that the Crown can't choose what evidence they're able to call during the trial. They can only go with what they have. He said that the Achilles heel of the case was that there were eyewitnesses who refused to cooperate.

Couldn't get people to. They're scared shitless. It's a fucking Colombian drug lord. Right. They're scared of this fucking guy. So they said, he said it would have been a different situation if they would have testified. He said he's aware there's a certain code on the street not to cooperate with police, but that must fall aside in the face of homicides.

Well, it doesn't. Never. Sorry. He said it's everyone's responsibility to step up to the plate and cooperate not if you're in a fucking criminal enterprise witnesses here uh he said witnesses they did have all came from a gangster lifestyle and were involved in drugs and criminal organizations which means that they carry certain baggage especially on the stand right to be torn apart by cross-examination ability sucks it sucks so he, we certainly believe them,

but there is a chance that a jury might not. And because of that, there was a chance that Steve Skinner would walk free and we weren't prepared to take that chance. So they said that it would become clear that this is the only way to go. And he says that at least the manslaughter plea will hopefully be some closure for the family.

And it's not, as we'll talk about here at the time the family was during this before sentencing they're allowed to submit things and shit like that and we'll talk about what they say here uh he's been in custody by the way for three years and four months by the time he's going to be sentenced so that's presumptive credit by the way the credit he gets for time served for that is a day and a half to every day that's fucked up so he gets a little extra canada you are fucking sweetheart that was part of the deal really that was part of the deal the state said that we've agreed to that presumptive credit that was part of this deal they made um so he said that's the one thing we wanted

to make sure it came out of this sentencing that the family would know what happened to their son brother and friend that mr skinner will accept responsibility for that and that he will stay in jail. Oh, boy. Yeah. And then the lawyer even said this is the crown guy. Nothing is going to bring Stacey Adams back. The family has endured an arduous eight years coming to this point. It's a situation where we've assessed the evidence and determined that manslaughter plea is appropriate now they asked the mother and she said that she's not pleased with quote

anything that's going on here yeah stacy adams she said not happy at all uh just yet his mom stacy adams mom gloria adams sorry gloria she told reporters outside the courtroom she believes this is a murder case she said that the justice system has too many loopholes and gives lawyers on both the crown and defense side a game of chess to work with she said i disagree this is not a manslaughter case i feel there should have been more people charged in this case as well not just steven skinner but i'm thankful for one thing i'm thankful that he told the truth my son wasn't killed or that he told half the truth he said my son wasn't killed over drugs like they had in the papers in the beginning my son wasn't killed or that he told half the truth he said my son wasn't killed over drugs like they had in the papers in the beginning my son wasn't a gangster i don't care who says what out there

about my son my son was a great person great well loved by many well respected he didn't do nothing to this man and this man knows it i hope he realizes now that it was all just stupidity our justice system is a joke to a lot of criminals. They get more rewards than punishment. What do we get? They can make a deal. Is there a deal for me? Skinner said he did. Skinner did what he had to do through our justice system to get where he wanted to get.

All I wanted was the right justice. I wanted to know that that to know I wanted that man to know my son did nothing to him. Nothing. He destroyed my life is what he did. He said that she said this is the rest of my life this is my son gone my grandson's gone but at the end of the day when you grieve as deep as i've grieved it's just about love it's about how deep and what bond you had with your child okay but you can't just say that he was over not just a guy who sells nickel bags he's over a a fucking lunatic's house, a bad man's house. It's a drug house.

He's over there to buy drugs. Would he just come over to hang out, see if the game was on? No. Worseover, a guy that's involved that deep, there's nothing endearing about that person that you want to hang out with him. That's what I'm saying. He's never a cool guy. It's not a social. He doesn't have social interaction. He doesn't have time for that. He's a businessman. That's the type of shit where you're like, out with them that's what i'm saying it's never a cool social it's not he doesn't have social he doesn't have time for that he's a businessman that's the type

of shit where you're like come on it's okay it doesn't mean your son's a terrible person because they were buying weed glory your son doesn't deserve to be murdered weed is legal in canada now so it's like it's you know what i'm saying now he's murdered for nothing it's nothing he was buying weed that doesn't mean he's a bad guy he put himself in a situation he shouldn't have but that doesn't mean he should have been murdered, obviously. So it's one of those things. They are glorious, Canadian and very kind and very kind. Yeah.

So they said in a radio interview, the family said that they hope that he spends the rest of his life in prison. The Stacy's mom addresses the court when sentencing comes around. She said the best part of me died on april 10 2011 my heart has stopped and it's been replaced with a crushing pain i will never be the same person again she said it took her five years to be able to work again and described what she's been diagnosed with ptsd she said i wake up in the middle of the night sometimes i forget it happened and i feel like he's in the room then when i get, the reality hits me that he's actually gone. He said, these nightmares are the scene.

Everything that happened in that house right down to his body being put into my car. He had an opportunity, says about Steve Skinner. He had an opportunity to stand up. He didn't say if they have said what he had to say for yourself. And he said nothing. Didn't say shit. She said he has not had an opportunity to stand up and address me in there. And chose not to and that's what cowards do he is a coward that's true and the judge says uh man you sir yeah may fuck off 11 years oh boy oh by the way a four and a half

credit served credit served uh-huh he's got about a little less than eight left should be out in six wow for torturing a person and cold-bloodedly murdering another person unreal you get nothing that's fucking wild that is crazy we got dudes serving life for weed that we got yeah it's it's fucking wild he said in these circumstances we are aware of the facts that would indicate mr skinner was extremely intoxicated under the influence of both cocaine and alcohol, as well as a combination of lack of sleep here. That would mean extra.

That would mean, well, you shouldn't have been doing that stupid. You put yourself in a position where you couldn't possibly judge correctly. Stupid. Why do you use illegal substances and then not sleep? Right. Clearly you're going to kill somebody.

So they said in, in law, that would, that would result in the crown, perhaps having a difficult difficulty proving the going to kill somebody uh so they said in in law that would that would result in the crown perhaps having a difficult difficulty proving the intent to kill given his intoxicated state at the time of the offense and therefore the charge of manslaughter was appropriate stacy's mom finally says had my son pulled a gun on this man and this man shot back i get it i could totally understand but my son did not have a weapon on him in the house that day.

He was shot three times in the back. Where's the justice in that? In the back. In the back. Yeah. Because he was trying to run away because he had pulled a.357 on him. 44. 44.

Sorry. Yeah. So it's fucked. Can't get enough of Steve Skinner. Oh, boy. Well, he'll be out soon. So, I mean, go to Canada. Hopefully, Polidaw hasn't had enough.

Yeah. Stay away from him. We'll just say that. Hopefully, he won't. Let Canada. Hopefully, Polidaw hasn't had enough. Yeah, stay away from him. We'll just say that. Hopefully, he won't. Let's stay out of Canada in a couple of years just for a while, just in case, because we made fun of him pretty good. There was a change.org petition to Justin Trudeau there, the Prime Minister of Canada, based on this, called Stop the Gun Violence. Enough is enough. Justice for Stacey Adams.

And they were asking if the federal government changed the stipulations regarding violent criminals seeking bail. They're saying he shouldn't have been there because he should have been in jail from the first thing awaiting trial. He should have never had the chance seeking bail. Those who pose a threat to the public. The petition is closed now. It had twenty three hundred thirty supporters in total. Don't know what ended up happening with it. Maybe one of our Canadian listeners can tell us.

But that is Steve Skinner. Good grief. And his murderous MMA ways. Oh, boy. I hope South America gets a hold of him and charges him later. I know. More of a drug dealer than an athlete, really. He did way more criminal shit than this.

Barely even crime in sports. It's just know drug dealer who wrestled around a couple times with some other dudes in their fucking shorts on a mat so what a fucking asshole steve skinner you suck dick and uh please don't kill us there you go we're gonna mark him down i think he goes down very high on the scummy award list of most likely to find and murder us for sure he's like he's the front runner for that award right now absolutely yeah totally so if you enjoyed that episode and you hope he doesn't kill us tell us about it say i hope he's not hope they're not murdered get on apple podcast give us five stars and that can be the thing you say i hope some

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i don't know danny burgess uh carol that's that's what i do in my head while i'm writing this well that's a proper gal there that's a i have no fucking name there never met her uh carol dolgan uh danny burgess care i said that uh what is this poib fair Fair. Todd Prince. Shanika Freeman. Colin Dean. MJ Jularble. Julabar. Jularble. God damn it. Stephanie Cerniak.

Eden Kosar. Kosar. Kosar. Is that Eden or Eater? I don't know. Robert Larson. Katie White. Cecilia Erickson.

Rebecca Oxford. Oh, the Oxford Dictionary stuff. Oh, Jesus. They're fighting so much hey listen guys we're not going to take a side we're not going to take a side in the dictionary where i know you want us to webster like the half fields of mccoy i mean we're not going to do it you guys put whatever words you want in there because i mean then we got to get into the britannica people they also want to take theirs like we're not fucking doing it which whichever one has uh has whatnot in it is the one that can go fuck themselves

chase uh with no last name misha robinson rebecca johnston shaylin warren dustin thornton uh tiffany madori or mador matter i don't know chris bettered uh mackenzie hole joe with no last name elizabeth grade michelle fournier laura fritch brianna gallagher, Whitney Lentz, Jason Bird, I Hate Cream of Mushroom. Don't blame you. Listen, I don't know. It makes a nice casserole, right? If you mix it with other things, I think it's okay.

You don't want to eat it with a spoon. I think green bean casserole is the only thing that it makes. I don't eat casseroles, generally. Outside of that, nobody eats that shit. The only casserole I eat is lasagna. That person's onto something. Big Ziti or something. Ashley with no last name,lex zanger uh cameron

burke dana miller chief stride laurie blair michael malitz eye of the newt aurora borealis i guess she's a witch rachel schmidt nick lalogia eli jones i know that was uh that was a lot of there's a lot of assumption monty python well it's a monty python right yeah i get it uh lauren m thorpe aaron siestra uh corinne cook benjamin benjamin benjamin with an e i don't know uh amanda shaheim s j a a heim shah right i don't yeah jesus jules bro uh damaris, Crump, Love Bond. That's easy. Victoria Blocker, Taylor Zuber, Adam Slade Bennett, Selena Herrera, CJ with no last name, Holly Barnes, Emily Evans, Joe Pezzi, Danielle Jindra, Ruth Twing, Candice Olevnik, G. Wayne Peterson, Meredith Honkanen, who also sent a really nice email.

And for whatever reason in my head, I can't remember it right now. It was great. Thank you, Meredith. Appreciate you. Ray Sanders, Brett Arkin, Chase Twigg. No, it's Cassie. Sorry. Jesus.

Breanne Poland. Wow, a big difference. It's a different gender entirely. Maybe. Who knows? Again, assuming. We don't know. We're a witch.

A lot of us are. Jamie Carter. Alicia with no last name. Ashley B. Nope, that's Maz C. Jose. Is that Jose? Lizaraga.

Leah Dickey. Ernestine Bien-Ami. Aaron and Matthew May. Adam Chaney. Slum Nuts, Mike Swede, Natalie Elrod, Don Juarez, Michael Kirwan, Molly Jimerson, Matt Bush, Darren, nope, yeah, Darren, Daron maybe, Peterson, Paige Stupienski, Christopher Sietz, Mahsin Amin. You're on a roll, Jimmy. I know.

Jason McFadden. Go, Jimmy, go. Olivia Hanna, Dawson Rubb. I think that's Rubb. Two Bs is Rubb. Yeah. Meredith, no, that's Mr. Middletown and Silly Lily. Bob Had a Boy and It's a Boy, obviously. Wow.

They wrote it all together. Bob Had a Baby, It's a Boy. What was that? What did I have to collect? You said Bob Had a Boy, It's a Boy. Did I? Yeah, you said Bob Had a Boy, It's a did i say it's about the boy it's a boy listen i'm a dummy uh amanda feliciano uh tammy smith olivia hannah i said that dawson rob i said that uh brad miller jim wells leslie graham i think that yep yep amanda huber angelilia angelella fuck uh kendra reader colin burke yeah well listen if you can hear this i am struggling my my fucking ribs are crushing me nicole nicole bauman uh vicky brown abby puckett grant sullivan

ashes murray murphy uh glenn swain beck slack yep uh veronica nope the veronique l wood lindsey Slack. Yep. Veronica. Nope. The Veronique. Elwood. Lindsay Wilson. Nick. Beckler. What the fuck? Is he a Montreal Canadian biker? French Canadian biker. Sure. Yes. He's got chaps and all that. Oh, Zachariah Harris.

Kimberly Keller. Kaylee Kudulis. Monica Lemmings. Haley Wigent. Wigent. Charles Young. Jason Pruest. Brooke with no last name. Dylan Shaw, Jordan Simmons,

Bruce Friedlander. Did I say Jordan Bennett in the other one? I think I did. Jordan Bennett. Say her again. She's the best. I just saw Jordan. I was like, I don't know that I read that.

Bruce Friedlander, Jason McFadden, Patey Kelly, Josh Doyen, Jesus, Guy Amster, door-to-door salesman, Lisa Leach, or Jeech, that's what that is. It's a J, not an L. They're spelled a different way. James Wines, Anna with no last name, John with no last name, Ron McClaskey, Beth Casto, Adam Tunnell, Erica Fox, Angela Hayes, Teresa Green, Tom McLeed, Laurel Clark, Megan Sp spivey yep uh cameron s sherry harrington slug bugley uh amy navarette kaylee curtis kayla uh quarrels natalie thompson jane stradwick avery pollock m johnson uh abby golder jen holder betsy nelson from oh what is this primeca primeca reach rich fuck emily dennis steve westerberg old traumas what and garmin uh ryan finke or fink call colin colin kemp caitlin blum uh beth k jess fumana rochelle rochelle herd amanda loman holly scottJones, Michelle Frazik, Marcy Abrams, Wyatt Anderson, Elizabeth

Rapp. Holy shit, we're not done yet? God damn it, this hurts. These people are awesome. Yeah, thank you guys so much. Patrick Hovey, Arana, nope, that's Hannah. Hannah Hicks, Mallory Fanton, Andrea Hansen, Hannah Ormey, Tori Durden, Katie Fee, Celeste Seibert, Abby Lowendowski, Catherine Merchant, Melissa Lowe,

Deborah Tarum, Isaac Abara, Scott Boussain, Jillian Clannan, Gabriel Balzaz, Christopher Turnbull, Noah Sadezabal, one man uh christopher turnbull sarah with no last name noah sad as ball sad as a ball sad as a ball so it is a satisa ball right because it's spanish yeah not sad as a ball not sad as a ball probably not sad like my ball like a license plate sad like a 40 year old's ball sad like my sagging balls megan uh cook uh christopher turnbull i said that n, Nicole Rooney, Harry Penis, of course, Melissa Ricks, Jenny Bukowski, Dana Eastman, Walker Mock, Kira Makoutaitis, Elijah Vail, Ariel Childress, I know, Sundance Laforte, Lil Drumgold, Jamie Hensley, Elizabeth Long, Paul O'Callaghan, gold uh jamie hensley elizabeth long paul o'callaghan jorge torres laurie smith olas cerniaca uh dakota harrington greg cox juanchito suarez uh rachel sincere i think ashley vio james martyr

megan van sweden wayne cooper pretty bookworm well ashlyn dean thomas Smith, Susanna Platt, Camille Heath Pritchard, Ryan Cook, Cesar Oregon, Frank Tripodi, Peyton Meadows, Issa Kafina, Sean Lucas, Andrew Hughes, Rachel Becker, Olivier Oliver. God damn it. Mackenzie Janice Craft. Ryan Moss is a bitch. I don't know if you know that. Wow. I know that. That's aggressive.

is a bitch i don't know if you know that wow i know that aggressive uh kiara uh holland wait britney lewis amanda knight eric warnham caitlin and angela george washington king all right shelby landolt landolt uh elizabeth zohar katie hennessey rachel nope that's elizabeth fernandez lindsey gilbert monica what is this monique de lLuffy? Monkey. Monkey DeLuffy. I don't know. Heather Overhouse. Darius and Zozja. What? Koronzuski.

Wow. Probably not. Carly Mann. Krista Medler. Bren, what is this? Bren Kolmara. Kolmeca. I don't know what I wrote, if that's an R or a K.

Lisa, or is it an L? Komala. Hey. Hey now, got it. Lisa Mueller. We hope. I don't know what I wrote, if that's an R or a K. Lisa or Zanell. Kamala. Hey. Hey now, got it. Lisa Mueller. We hope. We don't know. I don't know.

Michelle Kelso. Julia Schuster. Alyssa Linnell. Anne-Marie Bacon. Lauren with no last name. Jake Holt. Darnell Nix. Zachary Comew.

David Barnhart. Janice Hill. Delinda Andrews. Hang in there, girl. She sent an email that was brutal, man. Hang in there. Sorry about that. It was brutal man uh hang in there sorry about that it's gonna get better i hope uh katerzina niazolka i'm getting fucking great at that one abdul john uh ann marie bacon i said that darn new nicks nick romeo or romeo zoe borders mike mike tappy uh cassie mcmahon shane anderson cory with no last name Mac Ray Mac

I think that's Mac Yes Mac Ray Jake Holt I said that Megan Ariza Lauren Vogt Alex with no last name

Shannon Kampf Maria Peek Shawnee Boswell Lisa Olson in honor of Pregnancy Loss Awareness Month I don't know if you know that was this month

I didn't Alyssa Linnell Brendan Ables Nancy Little Little, Oscar Cortez, and Sanal, what, Sanal is seaweed, Nintini. Somebody named it. Closing strong, Jimmy. Thank you guys, truly. You changed my life.

Thank you, everybody. Thank you, thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Honestly, you guys are the heart and soul and engine and everything in this show. Thank you. We cannot thank you enough for what you do for us. If I knew how to pronounce your names, I would have been saying them while I was sitting in that bed. Thank you all truly.

Honestly, this is you guys. I wouldn't have been able to do that. Yeah. So many things you have no idea where we go. Wow. Thank God that people are nice to us. So thank you so much. What if people wanted to get a hold of you, Jimmy? make sure that you weren't dead i'm on social media at

wisman sucks where are you oh you can find me at jimmy p is funny and i'll just copy and paste my name if you feel like it if you're that intent on finding me yeah otherwise it's been a wild show and uh coming up the next few weeks we got kurt angle Angle. We got Charles Barkley. We got a lot of crazy shit coming up. So fun. And we'll keep coming back each and every week. I can't wait. I can't wait. And live from the Crime and Sports studios, we will see you next week.

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