Crime in Sports - #237 - Poised For Violence - The Eruptiveness of Cesar Cedeno

Episode Date: December 8, 2020

This week, we look at a man who was signed at 16 years old to come to the states & play baseball. Everything started out well enough, being called "the next Willie Mays", but it quickly d...eteriorated. Especially after a woman was found, shot to death in his hotel room. Somehow, it gets worse, with a lifestyle that leaves a lot to be desired, especially by the woman he hits, and police he fights! Secretly learn hoe to play baseball, while your father thinks you're working, pull a nightstick from a cop's belt, and pay $100 for a human life with Cesar Cedeno!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsportscrimeinsports@gmail.comfacebook.com/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:04:42 It's been a minute. It's been like almost three months since we've done baseball because I'm going to be even more honest with everybody there is not a lot of baseball players left they keep it pretty pretty close to the vest it's just you'll get like a dui now and then but it's not play pretty safe it's weird the level of crime in baseball is not the same as the other sports for some odd reason so i think that is i mean i don't know what it is obviously i think it's a less aggressive personality type plays baseball it's a more passive person so it's the same reason
Starting point is 00:05:10 why you get less violent crime in basketball it's a yeah you mix more passive you mix the aggression uh with the ego and you definitely get a more uh dangerous human being but the ego is still fucking there oh it's it's huge but the the NFL players tend to turn their ego into violence a little bit more. Which, I mean, they're just there. They're predisposed to do that. That's why they're playing football. You know, there's a certain mentality. And then you add in a lot of blows to the head.
Starting point is 00:05:36 Right. You know, and the ego and the money and things. And it escalates. And then you start doing violent shit. Forget you can't hit out here. Yeah. Yeah. So that's how that kind of happens so baseball not a ton left but this is one that i've
Starting point is 00:05:48 had for a while and i'm just it's a crazy one and we're gonna have a lot of fun here it's cesar sedano yeah ever hear of cesar sedano i believe so he was around pitcher no he's a first baseman and then he was a center fielder after that and he did not play for the expos i'm gonna save you a guess not at all before the marlins existed really so yeah oh yeah we're going to go back in time a little bit okay he played in this in the 70s and 80s and he just couldn't the shit this guy does yeah he's like there's a very jekyll and hyde situation with this man he's he's such like this one like this gregarious kind of guy yeah and then he'll just like he'll whoop a pregnant woman's ass the drop of a hat at the same time it's a strange dichotomy we have with this man here how do you Cesar Cedeno okay
Starting point is 00:06:38 Cesar Eugenio Cedeno Encarnacion yes to be exact may as well be a junior but cesar sedeno yeah there you go growing up actually his parents called him eugenio really yeah that was his uh middle i don't know if they called him that growing up his uh he's he's born february 25th 1951 so he's getting up there now here suddenly elderly santo domingo dominican republic he's born and he comes from santa the dominican is crazy for baseball yeah they love that they love baseball in the dominican i mean these kids play a lot it's you know when if they're not working they're playing baseball a lot of the times especially back then it was really a big deal now it's just a beach community where people that are broke go to get plastic surgery yeah and play baseball because still got a shitload of baseball players
Starting point is 00:07:29 from there i know people that went down there to get fucking tummy tucks man they go to mexico too i hear people go to get like medical procedures done and i'm like okay well that's i don't know we really gotta fix self-care yeah we're exporting it that's nuts to to countries attached to haiti right no offense but i mean that's horrifying you don't think i need top tier medical care you know can i get to haiti isn't your first thought is all i'm saying i've never been to haiti might be wonderful but i'm just saying it's not my first thought my doctor won't get me a specialist i'll go to the dominican yeah it's yeah i don't know heading to the dr that's an interesting because dr is is doctor also i think
Starting point is 00:08:12 it is they're just like oh there's a whole country of doctors they look at the map and they're like oh my oh look at this honey book the tickets they're all doctors the whole country going to the doctor it's going to be amazing can't wait they're all accumulated on one island here so uh his parents though cesar's parents did not want him to play baseball really specifically his father didn't want him to play baseball because he thought it was just kind of a childish pursuit to play baseball. Just play a game? Exactly. He wanted him to work in the grocery store instead, which was...
Starting point is 00:08:50 You're going to go to your job where they keep score? Where are you going to go? No, we're not going to do that. Go over there and bring home a paycheck. Right. Yeah, that's what he wanted. So that's kind of the way it went down. And these guys played all day long.
Starting point is 00:09:07 it went down and the these guys played all day long so i saw somewhere people were debating how uh uh would old players be able to play now and all that horse shit and it's like well i mean obviously if you if you gave ted williams hgh and today's diet and told him to work out and you know not fly missions in world war ii in, probably he'd be fine, I assume. You know what I'm saying? You know? Hand-eye coordination is pretty much hand-eye coordination. That's the thing. And someone was like, well, these kids now,
Starting point is 00:09:31 they play a lot more with the AAU and all this. These kids now don't play at all. They play, they have only the games they play in like organized leagues they play. They play two games a week in a certain number of innings because you can't mess up his arm. These kids back then and the people back then played all day every day they play baseball like pickup baseball like don't run nine innings and then be like let's run it back what are you talking about no they play
Starting point is 00:09:54 sandlot they had sandlot leagues these weren't aau leagues but these are sandlot leagues that guys came out of i mean we our last baseball guy blackie schwamm was found as a sandlot pitcher i mean that's that was found a lot. Joe Gargioli, Yogi Berra, these are famous sandlot guys that got picked up by major league teams. Running back nine innings. Yeah. And then they just keep going. And they'll play all day.
Starting point is 00:10:16 They would. They'd play until it got dark and they couldn't play anymore. And so you can't compare that. It's a different thing. So who knows who would be better. But he wanted to play baseball. And his father, his father's name is Dio Gene. D-I-O-G-E-N-E.
Starting point is 00:10:29 Okay. Dio Gene. I don't even know how you'd say that. Gene is very popular in their family. Yeah, I guess maybe that's the through line. Now, I guess he was a manager in a nail factory. Okay. They made nails, I guess.
Starting point is 00:10:44 Leap Ressons? That's what I was, my first made nails, I guess. Leapress-ons? My first thought was they're just making Leapress-ons. He's the glue guy. We're red! Come on! Jesus Christ, how many people are wearing fucking blue? Let's go with the red! He's screaming.
Starting point is 00:10:57 I got all these packages ready to go. Somebody put the glue strips in here. Then I thought about it in the 50s. It was probably actual nails, I would think. He's doing iron nails and then his mother i guess his father also they owned a small little grocery store and that's where the mother worked yeah she worked at the grocery store now the father was like you're not playing baseball stupid you're gonna go work in the grocery store help your goddamn mother and help put our fucking food on our table asshole her ass over here so
Starting point is 00:11:25 his mother though saw what a passion he had for baseball at a young age and saw that he really really wanted to play really badly so while he was supposed to be at work at the grocery store instead his mother bought him his first baseball glove she's just lying to dad and told him go fucking play right you're working don't worry it. And get the hell out of here. He's banging all kinds of groceries, this kid. He's amazing. He's the best. He bags like nobody.
Starting point is 00:11:49 He never puts the eggs on the bottom. I've never seen him once do it. Not once. Fucking milk on the bottom. I'm talking over to him. You better fucking make something yourself. You better do something well. You better make something.
Starting point is 00:11:57 I'm working a double today because of you. He catches me. I'm going to get punched. You better figure it out. Let's do it. So yeah, he was, father had no idea that the son was playing all day and he was really goddamn good good turns out he was really a naturally gifted he's a great athlete this guy i mean he's fast we'll see he steals a shitload of bases he hits
Starting point is 00:12:16 with for power really i mean he's just a great player it's one thing that happened to him really really ruined him forever and guys would say like you can look at stats all you want but everybody knows that he wasn't the same player after this day like i don't care what his stats say wasn't the same guy after this he just didn't have the same spark didn't have the same whatever obviously we'll get into that um now i guess he was getting scouts attention playing at 16 years old. Awesome. They're signing kids young, too, back then. And one kid here, or a scout said, quote,
Starting point is 00:12:52 we noticed this kid and liked the way he moved, his actions and his size. By the way, he's 6'2". Oh, that's great. He's 6'2", real thin, though. He was 6'2", listed at like 175. And can run. He runs like the wind. Yeah, he's a fast guy, which is why I think they moved him to center field,
Starting point is 00:13:07 because he was a first baseman the whole time. Need him robbing home runs. Yeah, a lot of times if you're tall, they put you at first base because you can stretch. That's what they do. So I think maybe that's how he originally got at first base. He was probably just taller than the other kids. So anyway, they said we saw him throw,
Starting point is 00:13:24 and then we saw him go up and get a hit and go up and get another hit. We decided we wanted to take a look at him. After the game, we arranged for him to go with us and some more players to San Pedro, about 60 miles away, for a workout Monday morning. So that's the other deal. They take him to San Pedro. He works out. They take him to San Pedro. He works out.
Starting point is 00:13:50 Back then, too, I don't know what it's like now because I know they were trying to change it, but basically you could sign anyone from the Caribbean. Now I know you have to buy contracts and shit, but back then you could just sign anybody. They were exempt from the draft. You could basically just go down there, scout, and buy children. Was that basically baseball just being so arrogant of Americans? They're like, there's nobody better than us. Go sign whatever you want.
Starting point is 00:14:13 Yeah. Well, I mean, kind of, yeah. That's kind of what it was. It seems like it. Not even that. It was a matter of this was all of the teams had a wink and a nod at each other that this is our pipeline. We can buy these children at a young age. And also, you have to understand, they don't just find these kids by accident.
Starting point is 00:14:39 There's people on the island that are getting cuts of whatever these kids. So there's guys that are basically like coyotes. It's a racket. That's what they do. They take chunks of people signing bonus and take more than they should, and they rob these people sometimes. They make them sign these things that they owe them money,
Starting point is 00:14:51 percentage of their deals. There's been these people got arrested down there for pulling these huge scams on some players. Horrible. It's a huge thing. So, yeah, but you could just not have to draft these guys. You can go down, sign them for whatever you want, give them a couple thousand dollars.
Starting point is 00:15:06 And they're, Oh wow. That's a lot of money. That's a lot of money down there, boy. They're going to love it. That's what they would do. That's the,
Starting point is 00:15:12 maybe the scummiest thing I think possible to do. Somebody who's just fucking leech onto them and just drain their money. Oh yeah. That's so gross. It's absolutely, especially children, right? You're selling nothing worse.
Starting point is 00:15:25 You're selling children for profit. I i mean apart from stealing their fucking innocence like that's pretty fucking gross i mean they look at it this way and a lot i've heard some of the players who this happened to back in the day talk about it and they said it sucked for a while he said but i wouldn't i'd still be on the island if it wasn't for that person showing me somebody so i'm happy that i got out but what about the people who never made it big and just paid this guy half their money and then they're back on the island with nothing and this guy's got half his money what's worse that's what i mean so it's you know it's one of those having no talent being stuck there or having talent and still being stuck and getting robbed yeah so god damn it he uh they they ended up this is the the scout down there discovered that the cardinals
Starting point is 00:16:06 had talked to sedano already okay they talked to him this was the scout from the astros down there talking to him but they said the scout from the cardinals already talked to him and offered him five hundred dollars yeah and then seven hundred dollars and then a thousand dollars oh and his father wouldn't let him sign cesar's father said no how much money you make not enough you know that's not yeah he's worth more working in the grocery store to me is what basically the way he looked at it a thousand dollars what's that gonna buy me i need a fucking guy that can stock my lettuce yeah that's it you know i gotta have a guy i can trust at the register that's kind of the way they were looking at it so his father refused to let him sign cesar says
Starting point is 00:16:43 quote he did not want me to play baseball but to go to school it's the other thing too his father refused to let him sign. Cesar says, quote, he did not want me to play baseball, but to go to school. It's the other thing, too. His father said, you're 16 years old. Get your education first. And blah, blah, blah. And Cesar was like, this isn't really a thing that you can do later. If they want me now, it's baseball. They can always go back and get high school.
Starting point is 00:16:59 Yeah. This is in the late 60s. This is like 1967. I want to go play with Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle and shit. Like, this is, you know, I don't want to go to school. And that wasn't just down there. That was here, too. Any kid.
Starting point is 00:17:12 You could have got any 16-year-old kid in America and said, want to be signed to a big league contract? Fuck yeah. They threw their school books down, threw a match at that place. There's a spot on the bench next to Roger Maris? I'm leaving dad throw a match on the hay bales outside as they fucking because they drove away honking and waving bye so uh i guess after the workout at san pedro these uh two scouts said they the astro scouts said they wanted they wanted to say cesar so uh they went to the sedanio home with his parents to talk to
Starting point is 00:17:47 them and the cardinal scout had just gone back to the u.s and he was supposed to come back again to see him play but he left without signing him right so that's a bad move this guy i guess the the gillich guy the astros scout went back and forth with Mr. Cedeno, the elder Cedeno, offered him $1,200. No, offered him $1,500. No. Oh? He said, no, no, no. So I guess it went on over and over and over again.
Starting point is 00:18:16 It kept going up and up. And finally, another one of the Cardinals guys, they said the Cardinal guy is back again. He came back to the island, and they said that cardinal guy is back again he came back to the island and uh they said that he'd be over in 15 minutes so the the astro scout said okay goes to mr sedanio quote let's settle this i'll give you three thousand dollars which is twice what he had offered before and way more than the cardinal so then the elder sedanio went, now you got a deal. Which in the mid-60s, $3,000 is about $40,000 now. And in the Dominican Republic in the mid-60s, that was a fuckload of money. I mean, not to be whatever, like, oh, that's a lot of money down there.
Starting point is 00:18:55 That was a lot of money down there. That's like 12 tummy tucks. That's a shit. You could suck the fat out of people's asses for five years. You wouldn't have made that back then. I swear to God. You could have put bad veneers of people's asses for five years you wouldn't have made that back then i swear to god you could have put bad veneers in people's mouths till the end of time and you weren't gonna make that down there down that italian hook on the nose you know that bump that's what happens 12 of them 12 not gonna work still not the same thing so finally he said okay so they signed the
Starting point is 00:19:24 contract as the houston scouts gillicherry's he said okay so they signed the contract as the houston scouts gillich here he's coming out of the house with the contract in his hand the cardinal scout was getting out of his car and he just said you're too late pal how old up the contract got him right now i spent three grand just in time but he had to spend an extra fifteen hundred dollars which i mean honestly who gives a shit pretty good bargain it's a pretty good bargain especially what a good player he was. So this was when he was 16 playing against the Dominican Republic, an amateur team.
Starting point is 00:19:53 They saw him originally when they were playing against a Puerto Rican team. That's how it ended up happening here. Now, October 25, 1967, he's signed by the astros as a free agent you know whatever because there's no drafting for those guys so he's signed there so he's 16 years old literally 16 playing in the majors no well they're the minors but they own him yeah they're taking him off the island and they're bringing him to go play rookie ball and he plays uh for coco and covington covington by the way in the appalachian league i think that's covington kentucky yeah which would have been quite the
Starting point is 00:20:29 culture shock it's much different yeah coco's in florida which i mean you could probably at least find some dominican people beach it was just it's just coco the team so i don't know but you could find even in the 60s you'll find find some Dominican people or some people who, you know, find food, you know, and some shit like that. But not in Covington. You are going to really be. Wow. This is I feel like I was from another planet. I had to stay there.
Starting point is 00:20:54 I couldn't imagine if I was not a big city. It's not. And it's very not Spanish at all. I don't think it's a very Spanish speaker friendly back then. How do you say moonshine in Spanish? Yeah, that's the thing. I don't think it's a very Spanish speaker friendly back then how do you say moonshine in Spanish yeah that's the thing well he only knew one word of English apparently when he first came up
Starting point is 00:21:12 nope chicken really smart that's brilliant you hear that is brilliant you hear it all the time of these players back then that would get signed and they didn't speak any English so they only knew one how to order one meal so they ate the same thing for the first three years
Starting point is 00:21:28 i don't know how much food yeah i don't know how much of those are true or they say all he would do is point to the other guy's thing so he only only ate what other people were having apparently this guy at first he just ordered chicken every time because that's what he knew how to say so smart everywhere they go chicken and they'll keep you alive and there's some form of chicken on every menu that's the other thing everywhere you go there's some form of chicken they'll give to you if you say chicken they'll give you food yeah and he knew that so but in covington it's probably the feet it's probably the feet or it's definitely fried yeah it's probably fried i would assume fried chicken tongues fried feet this boy wants some chicken
Starting point is 00:22:05 hey 16 years old he said he wants fried chicken feet yeah that's a drumstick it's just got the foot on it still we just leave the foot on there because we're like why separate them everybody want the feet too you're gonna get it in your teeth you use the claws that's what it's a little picture unless you turn that bad boy around that's funny. You've never seen drumsticks sold with feet together. That's never. Nobody wants those two things at the same time. I do, though. You never do.
Starting point is 00:22:31 I want to see it. I want to see it, but I don't really want to. I want KFC to start that. Start selling that. The only person that would buy it would be my grandmother. I don't know other people that eat chicken feet besides old foreigners like her. When I was a kid, though, I didn't know what. I mean, you don't know what any of those parts are. They tell you the and you're like is that really i don't know what that is i don't know how that looks pork butt isn't the
Starting point is 00:22:50 ass but if you put the fucking foot on a drumstick you'll know damn sure where that's well that's definitely the leg i guess this bird flew funny so uh yeah he's down there he also plays for peninsula i don't know where the fuck that is that's florida single a the whole damn state the whole damn state he plays there he plays in oklahoma city a little bit in 69 and 70 uh plays in flint as well these are all you know astro minor league teams and then june 20th 1970 they're to call him up because in the minors, he does pretty goddamn well. At Oklahoma City in 247, I'm sorry, 233 at bats, he hit 373, which is pretty fucking good with 14 home runs. He's crushing it. He's not doing bad at all.
Starting point is 00:23:37 And at Peninsula, he hit 339. He had 24 stolen bases. He's good. Yeah, and he's frigging 17 years old when he's doing this. So they're like, holy shit, he's ripping it up. They didn't really bring him up to AAA in 69. They were like, we think he's too good for AAA, and we're going to end up having to bring him up,
Starting point is 00:23:59 and we're not ready to have him yet, basically. So we're going to leave him down. Plays a little bit there in 1970 before they bring him up june 20th 1970 which that means they like him otherwise they'd wait till september when they can just bring it up with the expanded rosters so the 1970 astros finished 79 and 83 so not that great they were kind of mediocre but they were a newer team too they were you know had only been around for less than a decade at this point really yeah they were an expansion team in the 60s and then this was they'd been in the astrodome for like what three years now
Starting point is 00:24:34 or something so it was all kind of new down there so 79 and 83 they go their manager's name is harry walker and we'll talk about him for a second because this team here jim bouton the guy who wrote that ball four book was on this team okay he's on the 69 70 both teams uh houston astros so he talks about harry walker and kind of what a stiff he is he's a real stiff and like uh the team is real wild the guys are all wild a lot of young guys and shit and the manager's like this real stiff prick kind of a guy okay he's real ball breaker about piddly little things one of those guys annoying old fart so that'll come up in a second because there'll be no fun had at your job well there's a song so we'll talk about it yeah i can't wait basically if you if you win the guy didn't say shit but then he'd break balls about little details if you were losing details
Starting point is 00:25:24 that didn't weren't the reason you lost. So that's why the guys would get annoyed by it. Like, that's not why we lost, asshole. Just because we lost, you don't need to have wisdom. Right. Everybody struck out. Why are you telling them about base running? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:37 Coaches, they always say, especially old coaches, would have to justify their position by giving advice, even if it was, you know. Right. justify their position by giving advice even if it was you know right they would jim bouton would say all the time pitching coaches when they'd be going over the like before a series they go over all the hitters with all the pitching staff and going over and they're like yeah this guy here you know you want to bust him inside a little bit and but you get him on that third strike a low outside strike on the outside black there and they're like well yeah if i could do that every fucking pitch i could strike out everybody you're telling me to be magic throw it perfectly right there where no one can hit it every time it's gonna be perfect yeah that'd be great so you didn't do that that's why we lost
Starting point is 00:26:13 the problem is i can't do that every time none of us can we're not magic people so uh this team had joe morgan on it the you know announcer and Hall of Fame second baseman. Bob Watson, who's another really great player. Doug Rader, who was a manager later on. What's his name? Larry Durker is a young guy on this team. Who's that? I think he's about 23 years old right now.
Starting point is 00:26:37 Larry Durker was the manager of the Astros for a long time. Oh, okay. Recently, too. I don't know where the hell he is now, but I haven't paid attention the last couple years but joe pepitone i know he's finishing out his career here with his fucking he had by the way joe pepitone hilarious he had two wigs what he had two wigs he had these hair hair wigs he wore and he had all the time he had to pay he's bald so he had his gamer yeah and then he had his his show, as he called it. He had a show hair.
Starting point is 00:27:07 He's got a show pony. His gamer was a smaller one that fit under his cap a little better and whatever. And then he had like his going out hair that he put on. He had like a kit that he carried for his hair with blow dryers and brushes and he had like a whole, a whole that and your exuberant uh and enjoyment of roasting this man about it is why i just shave it yeah i'm not doing that well you're never living that way you don't have to get a dual toupees i mean that's that's one extreme to the other i mean i gotta have the gamer one that goes under the headset and then that's true when i leave there
Starting point is 00:27:42 you want to put on your you gotta put on the big you'll put on the anchor band after that which is what they call the that's your show pony there's embarrassing man i want nothing to do with that life i'll take the anchor man that's the one right there yeah the clock you got a burgundy around here i'll take it that's the one so uh fuck that life all these people on this team. So it's a pretty stock team of young people. Ken Forsh, Jim Bouton, like we said. Mike Marshall ended up on this team, who's a future Cy Young Award winner. And a real kind of like a hippie, spacey kind of guy. But real smart.
Starting point is 00:28:18 As a pitcher? Yeah. That's great. Yeah, hearing him described in Ball 4. Very smart into geometry and angles and math and shit. He's a really smart, smart guy. So anyway, all these guys here, they end up, there's a song that Jim Boughton talks about. That they sing for the coach.
Starting point is 00:28:36 They sing it on the bus. Oh, no. Okay. While he sits in 1A. While he sits up front. And they sing it loud, so he definitely knows they're singing it. But if they're winning, nobody says shit. That's why they're singing it. Like, we
Starting point is 00:28:50 win, so fuck you, basically. This is the song, and again, this is one of those things that was never meant to be public. This is the guy sung this shit on the bus to fuck around, and some guy wrote a book, which is hilarious. Imagine now a team of baseball players writing a song, singing a fucking funny song in the back.
Starting point is 00:29:10 Never in a million years would that happen. Shut the fuck up. I'm FaceTiming with my Instagram model girlfriend. Shut up. I'm trying to fucking hear. Yeah, but we're trying to sing a song about La Russa getting another DUI. Dude, won't you just get on board? I got a post about this fucking product, bro.
Starting point is 00:29:24 This is the last day. I told them they'd sponsor my shit what the fuck man shut up i gotta make a product with this lotion you don't need to make a video larusa said i'm a hall of fame baseball guy we have we gotta get it in the song you gotta get it in the snow we can't it waits hey buddy here stand next to me i'm making a t video. That's what we'd fucking have now. Not this. All right. This is the name of the song is it makes a fellow proud to be an astro. Okay.
Starting point is 00:29:51 Okay. And obviously this is from they wrote it in 1969. So it's got some, you know, corny old stuff in it. But this was very, very subversive for the day here. Now, a couple of things. Edwards is their catcher dave bristol is another catcher here so you'll need to know that and harry walker is the manager so because they're they're referenced okay here it is now the astros are a team that likes to go out on the town
Starting point is 00:30:17 we like to drink and fight and fuck till curfew comes around all right this is a good song let's hear more like to drink and fight and fuck till curfew comes around all right this is a good song let's hear more like to drink and fight and fuck till curfew comes around this is like a hank fucking the third song here i see jessico white dancing to this shit right now it's certainly down the rung of the gene pool of the williams that's what i mean and hank three gets it for sure amazing um and uh till her curfew comes around then it's time to make the trek we better be back by buddy's check it makes a fellow proud to be an astro so they like to go out and party now edwards is our catcher and he's really number one dave bristol said he drinks too much and calls some long home runs okay somebody making fun of him for being a shitty catcher
Starting point is 00:31:01 but we think john will be all right if we keep him in his room at night it makes a fellow proud to be an astro now our pitching staff's composed of guys who think they're pretty cool with a case of scotch a greenie and a beat-up old whirlpool a greenie is amphetamines by the way that's they used to take handfuls of amphetamines before the games until like three years ago when they banned them so it's a yeah so that this is great a case of scotch a greenie and a beat and an old beat up whirlpool will make the other hitters laugh then calmly break their bats in half it makes a fellow proud to be an astro and the last verse is now harry walker is the one who manages this crew he doesn't like it when we drink and fight and smoke and screw but when we win our
Starting point is 00:31:45 game each day then what the fucking harry say it makes a fellow proud to be an astro and he said they drank they sung the last verse with twice the volume of the of all the others to fuck with the man he would just sit there in the front of the fucking bus they loved them what the fucking harry say and they'd kick out fucking really stretch it out i feel like this is what wrestle rock rumble was aiming for they wanted something this good no no no they this is this blows wrestle rock rumble that's my point yeah this is the best sports song we've ever heard we did a whole bonus episode on it we've heard them all this is the best one ever because it wasn't meant to be publicly
Starting point is 00:32:21 consumed this is better than the rockford peach song. This is fantastic. Way better. Oh, I would love to hear the Rockford Peaches sing this. We like to drink and fight and fuck till curfew comes around. That's what I like to hear. I want Betty Spaghetti on that track. Yeah, I want to see Rosie O'Donnell pumping her fist, Madonna's singing it out. See Gina Davis.
Starting point is 00:32:39 That would certainly be Madonna's line. Yeah, picture Gina Davis with that look on her face, that she had the interscal on her face. We like to drink and fight and fuck till curfew comes. It's like my husband's in the war. He's in the war. So what else am I going to do? That's a great song.
Starting point is 00:32:56 It's pretty fucking funny, I thought. I got a kick out of that shit when I heard it. Because I thought just like 60s guys singing this to break balls is pretty funny. And you would never see a sports team do this. Yeah, they're not publishing that for sure. Well, no, they weren't meant to. Yeah, they aren't getting away with that. They just wouldn't sing it together.
Starting point is 00:33:13 Right. They just wouldn't do it. Too cool. Even if a couple of them got it going, they'd be suspended for behavior detrimental to the team. Probably, yeah. This was just like a bunch of guys giggling and smoking cigarettes and breaking balls in the back of a bus. Enjoying their job. That sounds like fun.
Starting point is 00:33:30 It does. I want to be like that. I would love to be a baseball player then. Right. I wouldn't want to be an athlete now. It's too scientific and it's too... It's just you're so... You're like a...
Starting point is 00:33:40 You're a racehorse. It's not even the same thing. You're the CEO of a company of your name. Yeah, you're too under the radar back then like that was you could have fun right being a ball player you could go around and do crazy shit and sing stupid songs you could be under radar now it's so above board everything's got to be in front of everybody and charles barkley's slogan did not work because now they still treat them like they matter to everything. Yeah, all role model all the time. They don't.
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Starting point is 00:35:42 And in our latest season, Taylor swift will shake up not only the music business but hollywood and the nfl follow business wars wherever you get your podcasts you can listen ad free on the amazon music or wondery app so in 1970 on this team cesar so that sounds like a fun team to be joining anyway. So here he plays in 90 games. So he plays the rest of the season. 377 plate appearances, 355 in the at-bats. He hits 310. He's a fucking rookie.
Starting point is 00:36:13 He's good. He's 19 years old. He hits 310. He's got seven homers, 42 RBI, and 17 steals. So holy shit. Rookie of the year. Not bad. He doesn't walk very much.
Starting point is 00:36:25 As they say in the Dominican quote, you don't walk your way off the island. Oh. You hit your way off the island. Yeah, that's the old, you don't walk off the island is the old thing that they tell the ball. That means swing the bat. Right. We don't care if you have a good eye. We want to see what you can do with the bat.
Starting point is 00:36:40 Pitcher gets unlimited walks or balls so you just keep pitching it's keep hitting like in uh the money ball book they talk about how miguel tahata when they first brought him up that was for it took fucking eight years to break him of swinging and everything really because it's you don't walk off the island and that's what he said you don't walk off the island and they go well you're not on the island now now you're in a place where walks are good right walks are as good as singles and they're way better than strikeouts this island's really big take a fucking walk once in a while chief but that's a hard thing to break people of because the scouts don't want to see you walk they'll see you walk go ahead he's got a good eye the next guy comes up rockets a double to the alley that's
Starting point is 00:37:16 who they're looking at they don't give a shit about you walking so yeah he does a great job and he's fourth in rookie of the year voting that year. Fourth, yeah. So not bad. There's a lot of other rookies that year. I can't remember who won it. Nolan Ryan was a rookie in 69. I think 70. He was with the Astros then, right? He was with this team? No, Nolan Ryan was with the Mets, and then he got traded to the Angels.
Starting point is 00:37:35 That's it. He's with the Astros a little later on. He was drafted by the Mets. Yeah, the Mets got rid of him for somebody older for the pennant run, I think, the next year. Not smart to try to get a pennant run going. Should have hung on to him. A little bit. 1971 season.
Starting point is 00:37:52 Now he plays 161 games. He is in now. Playing a lot. 611 at-bats. He hits 293. That's phenomenal. 293 for your second-year guy. 40 doubles. Leads the majors in doubles that year. Leads yeah, that's phenomenal. 293 for your second-year guy. 40 doubles.
Starting point is 00:38:06 Leads the majors in doubles that year. Yeah, leads the major league in doubles. 10 home runs. 81 ribbies. 20 stolen bases. That's phenomenal for a rookie kid. And his on-base percentage is, I'm sorry, his batting average is 264. His on-base is 293.
Starting point is 00:38:24 He's swinging it a lot he strikes out 102 times only walks 25 times which is you want that to be a little more balanced kind of the other way around would be better so either way 1972 though great year for him uh he hits a 320 this year with a 385 on base percentage so you that's such a big improvement. That's impressive. Huge improvement. 39 doubles, leads the majors again in doubles. So he's just hitting balls to the alley like crazy, and then he runs hard.
Starting point is 00:38:52 He's fast and he runs hard. So if you're not on top of that shit in the outfield, he's taking second base on your ass. So one of those guys. He's got 55 stolen bases this year, 22 home runs, 82 ribbies. That's great. That's a monster line right there. And he's 21.
Starting point is 00:39:10 He's 21 fucking years old. Oh, my God. That's incredible for 21 years old. He's competing with adult men who have done this for a long, long time. And this is 72. There are some goddamn Hall of Famers. We don't have 30 teams, so every lineup is stacked with Hall of Famers. I mean, the pitching staffs are good.
Starting point is 00:39:30 It's rough. He is crushing it, though. This year, he's an all-star, as a matter of fact. He's sixth in the MVP voting, which is amazing. And he wins a gold glove, which is he wins, I think, five or six gold gloves in a row after this. So pretty fucking impressive yeah so impressive that people are comparing him to willie mays favorably they're literally saying he's better than willie mays was at this age because he's only 21 most guys don't come up
Starting point is 00:39:57 till they're 22 23 they're not even in the majors yet this guy is already an all-star what happened and established himself so young. It's wild. Leo DeRocher was the manager back then. And if you don't know about Leo DeRocher, he's a psychopath. That's the best way to describe him. He would get fired for basically trying to gnaw people's faces off. He's a fucking maniac old school ball player guy. Yeah, old player. He says about him, quote, at 22, Cedeno is as good as or better than
Starting point is 00:40:27 Willie was at the same age talking about Willie Mays and he played with him he said quote I don't know whether he can keep this up for 20 years like Willie and I'm not saying he will be better than Mays no way anybody can be better than Mays but I will say this kid has a chance to be as good and that's saying a lot yeah it has yeah if he if a guy who you know leo derosier who wasn't by the way one to be real complimentary to young players said this guy could be as good as willie mays it's fucking pretty impressive i would say there uh they also said there's another guy one of the uh front office people said quote he's a completely different ball player now than when he first came up with us he was like a young kid then what he was tremendously
Starting point is 00:41:05 publicized and that was too big a burden he still played pretty fucking well no doubt that's not bad for being having pressure too yeah i guess it helps if you don't read english i'm not even shitting like if you see the papers hey there's a picture of me but you don't read english you're like that great who cares not distracted by all the food on the menu definitely not chicken a lot of chicken going on there so he started learning english pretty early on by the way so he was he was uh ends up very fluent um so he said yeah he was tremendously publicized too big of a burden he pouted when everything didn't go right which is natural for a kid we put a baseball uniform on a 19 year old and expect him to mature overnight it never turns out like that though no
Starting point is 00:41:45 it's ridiculous uh say uh sedano is maturing now he's learning he doesn't get upset the way he used to he knows he's going to do it maybe he won't do it wednesday and saturday but for the rest of the days he will for sure uh imagine that he's hitting 350 and still learning my god because he was hitting at this point in the season. He was hitting 350. They're saying he's still learning. Roberto Clemente, Hank Aaron, and Willie Mays, they talked to about him. They asked those guys. Those guys who are three of the top ten ballplayers in the history of the fucking world right there.
Starting point is 00:42:23 They've never known anything about me. No. Nobody's ever asked Hank Aaron, hey, what do you think of Jimmy W wisman hey what do you think of him well i'll tell you what now yeah i don't know about him in the field now i see his gloves a little bit spotty but at the plate he's like he's got a rocket in his bat he's got a big mouth willie talked to his voice was like yeah it was leaving him for some reason i always liked that about willie yeah he always sounded sounded like he was at a like, I don't even know what the hell's going on. What the fuck is that? I was always waiting for that to happen.
Starting point is 00:42:51 He was always at that level. Say hey, Willie. Say hey. The three of them. That's, Jesus Christ. That's awesome. That is quite the three. Even just saying their names in a row, you're like, oh, God.
Starting point is 00:43:03 Are they all dead now? Hank Aaron's alive, I think. Is he? Did he die recently did he die recently i don't know oh well he might be dead right willie mays died roberto definitely definitely died the plane crash right very close to this time very soon after this yeah he died in a plane crash i don't know if he's oh no that's they're so old they're not out all the time i mean i see hank hank hasn't i mean obviously he was old when i was born but well yeah he was he just looks like morgan freeman just like gray hair he's one of those guys that's always been old yeah like since i was a kid i saw his old footage obviously but when we were kids he had the gray hair and he was like an old son of a bitch he's still okay i thought hank garen was still alive 86 yeah kick ass hank aaron it's fucking awesome oh my god they asked them
Starting point is 00:43:47 and they all said that he could be the next big star in baseball they all said oh he's really really good roberto clemente talked about him because they talk about him being a hot dog they always say back then if you were flashy at all you're a hot dog what's he doing the hot dog though nothing that's the thing and that's the bat fancy he was not that white that was hot dogging basically that was that was code that was code for uh you know not white and exuberant that meant hot dog out there where you know you could be you could be one of these a goofy guy who was one of the fellas and it was fine yeah to be a whatever. Willie Mays is 89. 89. I thought he was still alive, too. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 00:44:26 Good for them. Good for them. Fucking killing it. Still making money, I'm sure, on show-ups. Oh, yeah. Can you imagine? Oh, fuck, yeah, yeah. I'd love to hang out with Hank and Willie. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:35 That would be rad. I would say. Yeah, they're legends. I can't get Williams and Nelson. I may as well take those two. Living legends there. Absolutely. It's pretty good.
Starting point is 00:44:45 So, yeah, they said that he plays aggressive and all-out ball, and they call it hot-dogging, which Maury Wills, who at the time had the record for the single-season steal record, I believe, Maury Wills, is a great base stealer. He said this. He said, quote, when a player like Cedeno is on the other side, he's a hot dog when he's on your side he plays hard and it's colorful so that's basically what it is and um harry walker
Starting point is 00:45:11 who was the manager of clemente he had managed clemente and he had managed sedano he said clemente and sedano are the two most exciting players in baseball today not too shabby said whether they're catching the ball or throwing it or running the bases or batting, they do it with an all-out flair. When they're involved, you're always on edge expecting something to happen.
Starting point is 00:45:31 They make things happen. Compliments. Or hot dog, as it's known, if you're, you know, not liking that sort of thing. Yeah, he's got a good, strong arm.
Starting point is 00:45:40 I don't think he's got the... They always say Clemente had an amazing arm, so I don't know if he's got quite they always say clemente had like he had an amazing arm so i don't know if he's got quite that kind of arm but that's okay uh they say that he's six foot two weighs about you know 180 pounds and uh clemente said well i'm only 5 11 and i don't weigh 180 pounds and i hit the shit out of the ball so not bad he said quote he's going to get bigger when he gets full maturity he's going to weigh 215 to 217 pounds. Talking about him like he's your pup.
Starting point is 00:46:08 That's what I mean. I'll tell you what. Look at the paws on this kid. Now, his parents, if you look at them. His chest is so big. Yeah. He's going to grow into this. So Cedeno said, quote, oh, no, I'll never weigh that much.
Starting point is 00:46:21 If I weighed 215 pounds, I could hit that Texaco sign, which was a huge. It was all the way up top of the thing. He's like, I couldn't fucking gain that much if i weighed 215 pounds i could hit that texaco sign which was a huge it was all way up top of the thing he's like i couldn't fucking you're gonna gain that much weight he's a skinny guy he never i don't think he's that probably not that heavy now really you know no i don't think he ever got there so he is an all-star again in 1972 he's great so doing great um he goes every year too he's been playing winter ball in the Dominican. Just continues playing all year long. He never stops playing. I don't know how the hell he has the energy to hit like that when he never stops playing all year.
Starting point is 00:46:54 And we're to a point where we see what happens to the elderly baseball player and how your body reacts to that over so many years. Yet he's still going to push it. He's playing every day. He played six seasons there from the time he was playing winter ball from the time they found him here he uh for the estrellas oriental orientales okay that feels borderline racist right yeah i would say it feels like the spanish people calling them orientals i mean yeah unless their mascot is a rug right then yeah then it's then it's a little if it's just a guy in the outfield with a walk that feels a little racist that's exactly right one or the other it could be fine yeah unless he's cooking ramen
Starting point is 00:47:39 noodles then they have an oriental flavor so then that's fine, too. So who knows? See? It's very confusing. Jesus Christ. Oriental is a thing and or a flavor, not a person, I believe is the point of this, but not on here. They're saying these people are Spanish Orientales. So he plays there, and then he also played for Tigers Delisi in the 1972 Caribbean World Series. So he was there. 1973, another great season. 139 games played.
Starting point is 00:48:13 He hits.320 again, so matches his batting average from the year before, which that's terrific. You want that. 35 doubles, 70 RBI, 56 stolen bases, which is just thievery on a huge scale he's consistent or getting better every year yeah 25 home runs now he's hitting for power yeah he started out with 10 in 1971 now he's got 25 now he's a middle of the lineup guy not even like a top or bottom guy this is well that sounded bad he's i'm telling you jimmy he was a bottom but then he said you know what no i'm gonna clean up i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm getting clean up i'm gonna get on top and dominate this thing he's an all-star again this year 11th in mvp voting and he's also a gold
Starting point is 00:49:00 glove winner again this year um so 11th in mvp 11th and how do you drop when you're when you're getting better 320 25 other other guys had better years and they weren't as surprised this year so they didn't get the same attention because it's all voting barry bond sits 25 after those seasons he has yeah he's garbage that year he's in the dump it's absolutely right so yeah he's instead though he's um you know he's just an established big league star at this point he's doing great two-time all-star better every year roberto clemente says he could be me willie mays says he looks pretty good to me grace grace he's proven it this is grace right i mean he's he is doing wonderfully yeah and he is 22 years Right. And just sitting on top of the world.
Starting point is 00:49:46 And every year his mom turns to his dad and says, don't want to play baseball? Is that right? Is that right? Yeah. So you're saying I was right? Yeah. I bought him a glove. That's right.
Starting point is 00:49:54 I did. Yeah. I told him to skip a shift. I'll bag these groceries. I know what you've got. So December the 9th, 1973, he's at a hotel in the Dominican Republic. He's not playing winter ball this year. His leg is a little messed up from the season.
Starting point is 00:50:10 Oh, so he's getting surgery. No, he's getting liposuction down there. It's cosmetic. Yeah, that's where they do it. It's in the banquet room. Saturday, come see Dr. Orientale, and you go down there, and then they fix you right up they break you open it's no problem pour you out and put you back together it's perfect yeah put you in the walk and send you on your way so scary so he's at a hotel in the dr um he is married at this point
Starting point is 00:50:38 he is with a woman certainly not his wife oh no um at this point so he's he's home which as we know that's a rule don't go home he's home um he's with a woman who's not his wife which i'm not judging anybody but things tend to happen differently then yeah so you got that going on and he's in the dominican republic when he doesn't need to be while leaving his wife in the states so all these things equal possible bad things happening he uh on december 9th he complains he's in a hotel and he has $5,000 worth of jewelry stolen from his room. Why do you have that? Which back then, that's a shitload of jewelry. I mean, that's 50 grand or so worth of jewelry.
Starting point is 00:51:17 So he's got a bunch of jewelry. Somebody stole it out of his hotel. He's not thrilled about this. He makes a report, calls calls the police freaks out does the whole deal so two days later two same hotel he has more troubles i would say way worse troubles than his jewelry being stolen um okay now he's seen that night in several nightclubs around town there he's hanging out doing his thing partying drinking just having a good time he's off from work do whatever you want being the king of the beach yeah that's yeah he's going home
Starting point is 00:51:50 he's you know he's a big star now who wouldn't want to go do that i'm sure that was fun probably so uh afterward at about 2 a.m he goes to the kiko motel okay this is in what from what they're saying here a very poor section of the city okay he's going to like a dive hotel in a shitty neighborhood okay why as a star of the astros you're a huge star you should not be doing this at all four seasons for free in houston you could walk up to the nicest house on the island and knock on the door right and they'll let you oh come on in they'd fucking put you up they'd give you their bed probably we won't even tell your wife about these girls you got with you shit take my daughters you're a fucking hero yeah i mean honestly if you're from a small place like an island and like i said this isn't trying to be
Starting point is 00:52:36 racist like but if you're from a small place and people have gone on and done huge things and are wealthy now and all this shit and world famous you're like holy wow great look at you you're you're worshipped when you go back to a place like that whether it's a town in the u.s or an island down there it doesn't matter attention to our town that's a big deal it's a big deal so he goes there it's in the northern section of santo domingo a motel employee said sedano was heard to be arguing with the woman he was with when he drove into the motel area when they got out they were arguing still so uh he went into one of the bungalows and apparently was still arguing with the woman with the woman uh it was a big fight it's not your wife why put up with this
Starting point is 00:53:16 so i mean tell her to go home what are you doing right yeah and uh this isn't working out now i guess we're fighting and we're not fucking why don don't you leave? Yeah, I don't get it. We're not together. We're not legally bound to do this. You can go now. If you'd like to, you can go. So he ends up, the beer is served, and they end up, you know, they call down for beers, and you can hear them arguing. They bring two beers to them, I guess a beer room service here.
Starting point is 00:53:41 And yeah, that's how that went down so they had been drinking and uh apparently about two minutes after the beers arrive employees in the hotel hear a gunshot which that's that'll get your attention yeah in the middle of the night and so after a short while A short while, Cedeno leaves the room, gets in his car, and drives away. As he's pulling out of the parking lot, there's a motel employee standing outside. He yells to him out of his window, Hey, there's a dead woman in my room, and drives away. Please take care of that.
Starting point is 00:54:26 That's what he says. I need more towels. Yeah yeah there's a woman up there i need to pick up towels up in 212 literally he gets in his car pulls out like it's an afterthought he didn't walk up and be like hey just to let you know blah blah blah you would if you broke a faucet you would be more yeah you're like hey you gotta fix the thing yeah the air conditioning knobs a little no he's just pulling out and he goes by the dead woman in the room bye and fucking leaves they're like what oh boy this is after you know a minute after hearing a gunshot so they're like all right this is interesting what is he serious so he does that an employee of the motel called the police he's like well let me call the police and let them find a dead woman just in case. They do call the police.
Starting point is 00:55:06 They walk in and they do find a deceased woman in the hotel room with a gunshot in her right temple. Oh, no. So bad. Yeah. Let's just say bad. Not a good place to be arguing with a woman going into a hotel room. Having someone see you guys together arguing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:23 They leave. A gunshot happens and you casually drive away saying clean up the dead lady bye that looks terrible sure does that looks as bad as anybody we've ever covered doing anything yeah like this is like oj level bad as far as like just looking at it from the outside yeah like holy shit that does not look good the guilt level is fucking insane yeah it doesn't seem like it yeah from driving away i mean no i mean for not what he feels yeah oh the guilt as far as legality yeah it doesn't look good doesn't look good at all legally this looks terrible this is really bad
Starting point is 00:55:56 that sure seems like you're comfortable you're comfortable with that woman being dead you didn't give a shit no you didn't run out you weren't upset no you didn't call anybody you call for help you just pull down we're like yeah check the dead lady bye and then just kept going that's not really showing a lot of concern for your fellow man here so he ends up finally giving himself up at about 7 a.m okay he pulls into the police station hey guys how you did you find the dead lady uh yeah he said um according to the police he, you know, it's a I don't know. Just happened. He goes, she was curious because it's his gun, by the way.
Starting point is 00:56:28 He says she was curious about it. And she tried to she grabbed it and I tried to take it back from her. And her finger must have pulled the trigger and shot herself in the head. Oh, that's a bad story. It's not a great story. That happens so few times, James. I'm going to bet on zero. That's that sounds like if
Starting point is 00:56:46 you're watching law and order that's a terrible right that's a bad that's a bad right you're like come on that didn't happen well you know it's that you know that didn't happen okay who actually killed this person because that's definitely not the truth i'm gonna wait for this plot to unwind iced tea yeah exactly now we have to take into account like i said i i don't want to just take a shot at the dominican republic just because it's a you know not as uh wealthy of a country and all that sort of shit but especially back then the police force was not as we should say kind of above reproach sure we'll say you get away with a few more things you can there was we're talking up there was a lot of corruption going on and a lot of uh you could buy your way out of things and a lot of shit like
Starting point is 00:57:32 that so all of this from here on i don't know what i trust out of this put it that way i really don't especially once the astros get involved and with their money and a two-time all-star on the line like i feel like the team would do anything they'd kill 20 girls to keep this guy in the fucking Once the Astros get involved with their money and a two-time All-Star on the line, I feel like the team would do anything. They'd kill 20 girls to keep this guy in the fucking lineup. Let's be honest here. Silver-haired, middle-aged white men. Lady Justice is blind there because she doesn't help with anything.
Starting point is 00:57:58 No, because she got her eyes stolen by somebody. They were gouged out. They were gouged out because she owed a debt. The doctor wouldn't put them back in. No, that's the problem. That's why she was there toed out because she owed a debt so the doctor wouldn't put them back in yeah that's the problem she was that's why she was there to begin with was to get her eyes put but she's there for the gouging happened up here she went back down there to have them put in next thing you know she came down for lasik and now she got a blindfold you know i'm holding scales i don't know what's going on. So the police colonel here.
Starting point is 00:58:26 Now, this is what the right away. The next day, the police start making statements in the paper. And I'm talking making statements that are normally police thing like this. They will tell you, like, the basic. Yeah. Here's the how. Right. And the where.
Starting point is 00:58:43 Yeah. And the when. Yeah. That's about it rarely who they're rarely like well especially they rarely will like uh openly clear somebody after like three hours of investigation so the police colonel said sedano had been drinking he said that uh he told the police so the colonel says that sedano told us that the girl had picked up the 38 caliber pistol to admire it
Starting point is 00:59:05 and it had gone off when Cedeno tried to get it away from her. Yeah. That's his story. So, okay. Guns don't just go off. Well, yeah. Well, here's my thing. They're arguing in the car.
Starting point is 00:59:18 They pull up arguing. They get out. They're still arguing. They go in the room, still arguing. They call on the phone for a beer, still arguing. So this is a long, ongoing argument that's not over. Right. So they didn't take one sip of beer and go, that's better.
Starting point is 00:59:34 Never mind. That didn't happen. So sometime in the two minutes from the time they got a beer and were arguing to two minutes later, she was like, oh, cool gun. Pick it up. And he was like no no tone that's dangerous take that and then it accidentally went off that's a really i'm sorry but i'm not trying to fucking judge whatever i'm not obviously but i can see two endings to this
Starting point is 00:59:56 fight her holding it to her head going i'll pull it i'll do it and then him trying to take it away or her just really doing it or him holding it to her and saying look bitch i've had enough of your shit that's what i mean there's not but the the scenario he presents not not plausible is really she got over this this 20 minute fight enough to compliment your pistol play with your gun because it was pretty no i don't think so that's not how that goes yeah so the motel employee's name is pedro banks and he said that uh he's the one who brought the beer and he said he heard the shots about shot about 10 minutes later and then he called uh that was when he drove out there so jesus christ he left in his american sports car yeah that's what the man said his corvette so the police then the next day, they make a statement saying that, you know, he keep they keep reiterating his statement.
Starting point is 01:00:50 Basically, they're like, oh, he said that he grabbed the woman, grabbed the gun by the handle and pulled the trigger. He was just trying to pull it away from her. The police, it's a Smith and Wesson 38 caliber, by the way, that is owned by. Little snub nose. Yeah, he's not charged with the legal possession of the firearm, although I guess he was legally authorized to carry it. The shooting, the woman's name is Altagracia de la Cruz. And yeah, she's 19 years old. Beautiful name. Altagracia.
Starting point is 01:01:20 I can't say it, but it sounds great. Altagracia de la Cruz. If she donated money to us, we'd be in a lot of trouble. Jimmy would spend four minutes trying to figure that one out. I tell her it's beautiful, I'm sure. You have a beautiful name that I can't pronounce. I can't do this. So, yeah, she was 19 years old, which is wild, ridiculous.
Starting point is 01:01:38 They are accusing Pedro, or, yeah, I'm sorry, Cesar, because there's also, I pictured Pedro Serrano instead of Cesar Cedeno, Serrano and Cedeno in my head. Sorry, Major League is just, yeah, way different guy. So Cesar is accused of voluntary manslaughter, which Serrano was never accused of. No. He did sacrifice that chicken and steal some rum. Or no, that was Harrison's, all his rum.
Starting point is 01:02:04 But other than that. But he did sacrifice that chicken and steal some rum or no that was harrison sold his rum right but he sacrificed the chicken but i he didn't kill a human that i know of anyway in the movie they didn't show that part anyway it could have happened joe boo was very happy that's what i mean he took the chicken it could have happened i'm not saying it didn't but it could have but we didn't see it in the movie it wasn't in the script or at least not in the final cut. So he appears before a judge. The district attorney said the accusation is listed along with other unnamed infractions of the criminal code. He is kept in jail with no bail under preventative arrest and is not released, I guess, because he lives here and could flee. I guess they're thinking.
Starting point is 01:02:44 His father showed up at police headquarters eight hours later. Couldn't have just worked in the grocery store, right? Really? He woke up and saw the news and was like, yeah, you bought him a glove, huh? You enabled this? I told you not to buy him the fucking glove! God damn it!
Starting point is 01:03:02 You're going to apologize to Mrs. Iglesasio agnicious mom come here bring this little brother over here i'm taking that fucking glove away from him too i apologize to agnishio fuck is her altagracia it's altagracia i don't mean to make fun of her name there's no way i'm getting it right so apologize to her family apologize god damn it this is your fault jesus christ so yeah they said that sedaño's wife was with i'm sorry sedaño's wife wasn't in the state she was at his parents house in santo domingo so he had his wife there left his wife with his parents and went out to get some strange wow and then she ends up being shot in
Starting point is 01:03:46 the head so there's a lot of talk about a lot of explaining to the wife yeah there's a lot of explaining to the wife here no matter what happened yeah i would say um you know who else was down there john w mullen the astros assistant general manager ran right down to santa domingo to talk to both police and sedano at police headquarters no shit yeah um yeah silver silver here's the silver-haired response here uh the word that this is what this is amazing this is what mullen this is the uh the assistant gm he says the word that this was and uh the word is that this was an accident that's's what Cedeno said. He said he had a gun. He has a permit for it. She asked to see it.
Starting point is 01:04:27 He said no, and she tried to wrestle it away from him, and it went off. It's listed as an accident. It's been accepted as an accident. It's been accepted as an accident. That's some really sweet. What? Wow. How did that?
Starting point is 01:04:43 I mean, Jimmy, argue with a woman at two in the morning outside of hotel room go into the hotel room order alcohol right 10 minutes later have her be dead of a gunshot wound in the head then you just leave right and yell it out the window as you leave and i wonder if you'll be in the same you think so i think we'll be okay even if i am okay uh i'm not even married to her emily will have some questions well that's the other thing and by the way you left emily at your mom's house close by while you were doing this you are my life is pretty well fucked up you're shit on like eight levels man i mean your dad's there looking at you bad talking about why'd you get a glove right emily's pissed at you she's dead the cops are obviously
Starting point is 01:05:25 mad at you there's this is a mess this is a bad night so he ends up spending christmas in jail he has to spend christmas and new year's day in jail a prison spokesman said quote that sedania was quote quiet but sad oh boy he said he listened to music and ate typical dominican food delivered to the prison by his relatives okay Okay, that's nice there. He's being kept in, obviously, in jail here. They said, this is the prosecutor, said, quote, it is only natural that Cedeno spend Christmas in jail as the courts go on vacation Thursday, December 20th until January 8th. It's like, we're not holding him here.
Starting point is 01:06:01 It's special. It's because we're closed for a couple weeks. I guess. we're closed for a couple weeks i guess yeah we're closed yeah he's being held in preventative custody there or which means it's their most modern jail he has his own room there as well they're giving him his own he's got his own room in the jail he's basically like like a mobster and goodfellas in prison doing whatever he wants and being told that i'm sure it's fine it's all accidental is what we're being told we'll deal with this in normal business this is what's this girl's life worth not a whole lot it doesn't seem like right doesn't seem like it to
Starting point is 01:06:34 me wait till you hear you're gonna fucking be mad everybody get ready to get angry in a little while here so um they said that uh uh quote the sedanio case is a special one. He's no common prisoner. This is the district attorney talking. Cedeno refused to talk to the press, saying, quote, you know everything there is to know. Yeah, they set up special facilities for him to meet the press and all that sort of thing. Yeah. Two baseball players who visited him during the weekend said Cedeno was, quote, dancing to American music in his room, which they said is not common in a cell dancing obviously yeah because you know you're in prison you're usually not very happy so most of the people are yeah contemplating right it takes a certain level of cheer to do
Starting point is 01:07:15 any sort of dancing it tells me that seems to be all worked out yeah you're not fine if I was being held over Christmas because I came home arguing with a woman ordered alcohol then gunshot went off she's dead and i just said bye i have a fucking dead body and then i was in jail i would not be dancing i would be like whoa this could be really bad for me right and he has more of the everything's gonna be all right now he's fucking he's dancing yeah he's fucking yeah he's fine oh my god he's good in the 70s dancing to american music it's disco yeah he's just fucking no he's like inspirational happy songs get into it man it's all kinds of beach he doesn't care and then yeah maybe some more than a woman to me he's fucking grooving i just pictured him yeah they're like dude what are you doing in there the americans bro the americans from me bro what are you doing i went to america i only knew chicken
Starting point is 01:08:16 now i know this now i know chicken and more than a woman much better so it's great so uh yeah he's dancing to american music meanwhile his wife cora uh kept to herself they said she hasn't been seen since she went to court with her husband and uh judge listen to this judge's name socrates uh curiel oh my socrates i'm scared of that guy yeah i would say he's in charge of the investigation so So he's going to look into this shit. According to a family source, she's been deeply moved and does not want to talk to anyone about the case. That's the wife. The word is embarrassed. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:54 And furious. Very embarrassed and angry. Yeah. Out of 15 witnesses called by the judge for the questioning, only three, including Cedeno, have been questioned before Christmas. The judge refused to make any kind of statement while the case is under investigation. questioning only three including sedano have been questioned before the christmas uh the judge refused to make any kind of statement while the case is under investigation and lots of people covered it obviously the ball player they said that in the dominican he's being criticized as a bad example for our youth i would say so because he's a hero um so anyway he's scheduled to was
Starting point is 01:09:21 scheduled to leave for houston but um not anymore because he's in jail obviously officials of the houston astros including general manager speck richardson visited sedano after the incident saying so uh saying they did so in order to assure him that he would uh that they would back him up in this plate that's what they said meanwhile you went down there to throw around some fucking muscle yeah and some probably dollars is what I'm thinking. Plight. Plight. He's got a plight.
Starting point is 01:09:49 He's got plight. No. Think about what's happening here. This is crazy. Wow. This is fucking crazy. You're plight. You're plight.
Starting point is 01:09:59 He's got plight. Unbelievable. What the shit? I mean, nowadays, a team would at least want to separate themselves from the whole incident it's pretty sleazy a body forget it they're down there flying down to visit him in jail this is nuts and go to his court appearances and shit so january 16th 1974 he goes to court down here in the dr for this whole thing by the way here's a picture of him in court looking that's the court that's the court he's like up at the panel look at look at his first of all he has got a nice tight throw
Starting point is 01:10:30 going on looking good one he's got some serious 70s shirt happening yeah buttoned down to the sternum unbuttoned to the sternum butterfly collar it's impressive he looks like if lavar burton was like a playboy. Like that's pretty good. He's got the 70s LeVar Burton hair. The real nice 70s, yeah. Yeah, he doesn't look like LeVar Burton at all. No, no, no. He's got the 70s hair.
Starting point is 01:10:52 He's got that hair, but the shirt, he looks just like 70s out to the max. It's a really, really good look for him. Sweet. The wait is over. So far, you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that. Bing!
Starting point is 01:11:07 The queen of the courtroom is back. I didn't do anything. You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. I see he's not intimidated by anything. I can fix that. New cases. She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone.
Starting point is 01:11:26 Okay, so, um... This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes, Your Honor. You married his cousin. His brother. That's not him.
Starting point is 01:11:38 Yes, ma'am. I would make a beeline for the door. The Emmy Award-winning series returns. How did I know that? I have a crystal ball in my head. The Emmy Award winning series returns. How did I know that? I have crystal ball in my head. It's an all new season. It's streaming. You can say anything.
Starting point is 01:11:52 Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. Look, so Cedeno in court told the judge that the shot which killed the woman was completely accidental he says Ms. De La Cruz was handling the pistol when it went off police said they did tests they don't show the tests in court or have any
Starting point is 01:12:16 evidence of the tests but they tell the court they did tests and it was her that fired the gun based on their tests is what they said the judge went alright I guess that's how that And it was her that fired the gun based on their tests is what they said. Okay. The judge went, all right, I guess that's how that. So he's originally charged with voluntary manslaughter. But after Christmas, it is reduced. The charge is reduced to involuntary manslaughter, which is accidental killing.
Starting point is 01:12:41 But in the DR, what's the difference? Well, yeah, he's released on ten thousand dollars bail for the actual trial here his wife was at his side during the hearing and everything like that and um yeah everybody spec richardson's down there everything he is found guilty of involuntary manslaughter which you know it sounds bad so his his this is after a one and a half hour trial and um here we go hour and a half hour and a half trial that should be enough guilty of involuntary manslaughter and now it's time you sir yeah may fuck off to dead 19 year old right okay 100 fine free to go sir joking 100 fine that's what her life i said yeah what's
Starting point is 01:13:27 this young girl's life worth about a hundred bucks hundred dollars cash a hundred dollars cash enough what same amount that gets stevie sprung from the fucking pen is what gets that's the guilty like stevie's was bail yeah this is guilty hundred dollars cash holy shit hundred dollars oh my god james that's terrible somehow that is what that seems lighter and more insulting than if he was just not guilty yeah yeah it's much more insulting than guilty if they came in and he was holding a gun that had smoke coming out of it, literally smoking gun in his fucking hand. Still, $100. I would rather in that scenario he be found not guilty than this is very offensive.
Starting point is 01:14:13 $100. That is just nothing then. $100? Don't put a price tag on her then. This is crazy. I mean, in terms of what that does for your local economic, you know what I mean? That does nothing. No.
Starting point is 01:14:26 What is that? It's just to clear it out. He's guilty, so we have to have something. We can fine him or put him in jail. We're not going to put him in jail, obviously. That's why Speck Richardson's here and all the astro brass. I'm stunned. Yeah. There were some nefarious things going on.
Starting point is 01:14:42 There's no way that money didn't exchange hands. Come on, man. I can't believe that's real that's what i mean that that's crazy that's fucking insane that's worse than oj getting it's getting off for it it seems it's super it's more insulting right absolutely not guilty is like oh they messed up the jury messed up or whatever if you think he's guilty or you think he's not guilty they said he's guilty whatever the case may be but to be like guilty let's drop a hundred in the basket on the way out and then get on the next flight back to houston is like wow involuntary manslaughter that's still like a felony right i mean there's a dead there's a dead person you're saying that anytime there's
Starting point is 01:15:19 a dead person if you're guilty of something it should be more than a hundred dollars i would say i don't care what it is or how it happened if you're guilty of anything causing that whatsoever voluntary involuntary or not holy shit man that is that is something else that's all i have to say about that now everybody said that that was his after that he's never the same player everybody said i would hope so after this he's never the same guy they said his stats are similar but he's not the same guy he doesn't have the same verve he doesn't have the same right there's just something missing from him he doesn't quite have the same it's called zuber and ctsd you watch the life leave a human body and it's probably i hope that messes him up well i don't think it's so much so much that as it's all now he's being talked about.
Starting point is 01:16:07 This is in every newspaper every day. It's all in the press. Everybody's asking him about it. Every time he's around anybody with a notepad, that's all they're asking about. Not how you're going to hit this year. What spot in the lineup are you going to be? It's, hey, so you killed some chicken, the Dominican, huh? I mean, it's all that they do.
Starting point is 01:16:22 Did it make it into the team song? Yeah. But Cesar said, Daniel, we'll will cut your throat you fucking whore he'll shoot your temple more and then he's gonna drink some beer and take his wife and call her queer that's why he's proud to be cesar sedanio it's his own song it's awful that's his own song he's got his own verse i hope they put him in there but don't go on dates to say sorry when he's armed you'll fight and go to motels and drink the beer until something i don't fucking know i was looking at this next thing now until the dawn there you go i got lost looking at the thing to see where we were and i fucking lost my
Starting point is 01:17:03 spot like damn it i lost my song can't look at the thing to see where we were, and I fucking lost my spot. I'm like, damn it. I lost my song. Can't look at my notes while I'm doing that. It's extra words. It's extra words. That's exactly what it was. I saw All-Star Game, and I went, oh, that doesn't rhyme. That's exactly what happened. Could you see it in my eyes?
Starting point is 01:17:17 No, I didn't. Oh, no. I know how it works. I don't know where the hell my head just went. My brain works the same way. Yeah. Don't look at the words. I was trying to listen to music while I was writing names down today good luck and i wrote the lyrics to a song that i was listening
Starting point is 01:17:30 to thank you so much chris stapleton thank you amanda you came and you gave without taking what unbelievable thank you amanda you were like just strawberry wine tennessee wine i don't remember the song god damn it i'm a mess that's the point that's how it works you can't read at the same time as singing it's not gonna write while you're no no it's gonna fuck everything up it's gonna mess it all up so 74 he's still an all-star this year in 74 too uh plays in 160 games and this is the period the astros are just mediocre as shit they're like 81 and 81 two out of the four years you know like 79 and 84 whatever that just messy yeah yeah they're just garbage 500 500 lose one lose a couple win one that's all
Starting point is 01:18:25 but he plays in 160 games this year hits 269 so his average goes down 50 points that's noticeable yeah um other than that though 26 homers 102 rbi which is the most he's ever had there uh 57 stolen bases ain't too shabby not bad so i mean pretty. He's still an all-star. He's still a Gold Glove Award winner here, so can't say anything about that. 1975, he plays in 131 games. This year he hits.288, so gets it back a little bit. Hits 13 homers, so half of what he had the year before. 63 ribbies. Not bad, but still 50 stolen bases.
Starting point is 01:19:03 Wins a Gold Glove that year, but he's not an all-star in 75 76 here he plays in 141 games 279 he hits uh 14 home runs which is even i'm sorry 18 home runs this year uh he hits uh has 58 stolen bases and does make it to the all-star team in 76 this guy would make 100 million dollars today oh he, he did have a $100 million contract. Absolutely. Oh, boy. Absolutely. They would have signed him before his initial deal was up.
Starting point is 01:19:32 Yep. To sign him, to lock him down. He would have made big money. So, 1976 All-Star game. He calls a shot. Really? He does a Babe Ruth. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 01:19:41 He points, and then he hits a fucking home run. Really? He did it. Yeah. He called his shot and hit a home run. This is the weirdest thing ever. I thought Babe was the only one that did it. No, he did this in an All-Star game.
Starting point is 01:19:51 This is unbelievable. It's insane. So he calls the shot, and everyone was like, holy shit, did he just do that? He stepped to the plate. It was in the eighth inning, especially, which is amazing. He called the shot, and then he hit it, and he just laughed his ass off all the way around the bases. He was laughing and shrugging and being like, that's ridiculous, isn't it?
Starting point is 01:20:08 These All-Star games, there's nothing at stake. They're just having fun. So the other guy's not mad at you. Even if he is, back then he played in the other league. You're not going to face him anyway, so fuck him. He said that he did mess up, though. He said he didn't point to the right fence. He pointed to left field and hit it to right field.
Starting point is 01:20:24 So he goes, what are you you gonna do still there yeah he said i can't believe i predicted it i've never i'd never do that um he said it just it just hit my mind i looked over at our dugout and saw all those guys were watching all of a sudden i just did it and couldn't stop laughing he was doing just to fuck around with the dugout like i'm gonna hit a home run and then he did it um yeah he he said that he was being heckled by people there, by Johnny Bench and John Montefusco, who's got a great name, Montefusco. It's brutal. You would mess it up bad.
Starting point is 01:20:57 I love that Johnny Bench is there. Yeah, they were messing with him. He said from the bench, quote, Bench kept saying, get ready, here comes the gas. And I just laughed and laughed. Carlton Fisk, the American League catcher, asked me what was wrong with me. They thought he was nuts, basically. That's another catcher I know.
Starting point is 01:21:14 Yeah, Fisk. I guess those are the two from the 70s that you mentioned when we talked about that. Did I say Fisk? You said Fisk and Bench. That's how I know. Yeah. So I guess he was looking for a fastball and this was a fastball pitcher pitching so he thought maybe he could do it and he was just fucking around 1977 i know
Starting point is 01:21:30 what salary he made the first time i get to see his salary he made 185 000 oh he's loaded in 1977 which in in uh you know and for inflation it is 794 913 dollars and 86 cents he's doing great so that's that's fine yeah doing fine um the astros kind of suck through this also in 77 he appears in a movie oh he is in bad news bears breaking training really remember when they're at the astro home that's cesar sedano he's got the hat around his afro remember that yeah the kid points him out says it's cesar sedano holy shit what the fuck man blah blah blah remember let them play the whole track that's that's that he started it i don't think he started it but he was he was in it they just were like it's cesar sedano hilarious he's like hey kids yeah i killed a lady three years ago post-woman murder yeah i i killed a
Starting point is 01:22:20 woman just like your mom a few years ago yeah was the bad kid the one that recognized him? I hope so. There he is. He's a murderer. He's my idol. I spent time in the joint with that guy. Hey, there you go. You got a smoke? So 1977, Houston here.
Starting point is 01:22:37 He's 141 games. It's 279, 14 home runs, 61 RBI. So as you can see, he isn't the same guy. He's just not the same guy not the same pop um not an all-star anymore so you know you can see kind of how that pattern is going 1978 i believe is when he had a leg injury pretty good leg leg injury only played in 50 games hit 281 that year uh with seven home, you know, he's not playing that much. 1979 season, 262 he hits.
Starting point is 01:23:13 He hits, again, under, what does he have, six home runs this year in 132 games? That's not very good. That's not good at all. No, 54 RBI, only 13, I'm sorry, only 30 steals, too. His steals have gone way down. Again, not the same explosion. This is around the time they get Nolan Ryan, and they get good. This is when they start going to the playoffs a couple times, which is interesting here.
Starting point is 01:23:35 1980, he hits.309 that year. That's good. That's getting better. .309, 10 homers, 73 RBI, 48 steals, so getting better there. He's 13th in the mvp voting that year as well not bad uh they go to the playoffs and they lose to philadelphia in the playoffs in that series he only hit 182 so not terrific no but i mean it's only one series so what are you gonna do and they won that year didn't they no they didn't philly philly went to the series yeah yeah not not houston so uh 81 with houston uh in the 81 season he only plays 82 games he hits 271 they go to the playoffs and lose to the dodgers that year so he hits 214 in that series so he's not ripping it up in the
Starting point is 01:24:19 playoffs but that's fine 1981 he also had a little bit of a highlight, I would say. I would call this a highlight. He went into the stands to beat the shit out of a man. Oh, my God. He jumped into the stands and pummeled a man. For likely bringing up the dead chick. He pulled a Vernon Maxwell. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:24:37 And, you know, well, it was in response to a heckler who was chanting, killer, killer, killer, over and over again killer killer you don't say that to a fucking killer well he came in the stands to prove it he came in the stands to show him how non-violent he was right and how i am not mean i'm not mean as he's pummeling his mouth so he's initially suspended for this which yeah you went into this don't care what the guy's saying get security you're a player he's doing nothing you can go hey throw that guy out and they'll throw him right out done right end of fucking story especially today yeah even back then
Starting point is 01:25:16 the player said toss that guy's tossed yeah that's it shit you can do dude you can do it from like two sections over today oh yeah flash a a number on the screen that says, anybody saying anything rude, text remove player to this number with their seat, and we'll get rid of them. That's nuts. They do it all the time. That's crazy.
Starting point is 01:25:34 We have a family environment. Yeah. No, but I've had eight beers, and I want to yell at this guy who sucks. That's why I paid $40, so I could yell at him while I'm on eight beers. That's the point of this whole entire thing. This experience.
Starting point is 01:25:45 See this stadium, all this stuff, all these seats and lights? There's a reason why it's here. It's so I can drink eight beers and yell at that fucking guy. I got a fantasy team. He's fucking up my lineup. I know there's kids. I brought mine. I'm trying to teach him how to go to a baseball game. Drink eight beers and yell at that fucking guy. We're bonding.
Starting point is 01:26:01 What are you not understanding about this? I'm a good father. Yeah. Meanwhile, the players, we like to drink and fight and fucking screw with it. Okay. Make up your mind. Make up your mind. So Cedeno ends up also being fined.
Starting point is 01:26:16 At first, he was suspended indefinitely while they figured it out. Oh. Because you're not allowed to go into the stands and attack people. This isn't the DR, sir. Yeah, you can't do it. This is, you know, this is, I want to say Atlanta is where he did that. So that's not okay. Finally, though, league president Charles Feeney said the incident, quote, has more than one facet.
Starting point is 01:26:37 And also added that, quote, mitigating circumstances and a letter of apology from Cesar have softened what would otherwise have been a more severe penalty they said that he was subjected to severe verbal and personal abuse okay because you killed a girl right that's you are going to get that yeah if you're going to go in front of large groups of people after you were in a hotel room where a woman was shot yeah then i'm sorry you're going to get some fucking chance now and then i'm sorry they didn't have twitter to aim their rage then yes now they could chant killer on twitter and leave you alone in person so but then they couldn't you needed to do it in person you can sign up for twitter and delete your account uh from your phone and just leave it up and let people holler at you they're call you a killer all death into the void perfect so that's exactly perfect so uh they said quote uh feeney said even with
Starting point is 01:27:26 such verbal provocation it's totally unacceptable for a baseball player to enter the stands in a threatening manner toward a patron yes well no shit therefore for entering the stands in atlanta that was right atlanta in the game of tuesday september 8th cesar sedano is fined a sum of five thousand dollars but his suspension is canceled okay he said it's canceled coming on back yep he said he analyzed two facets of the incident yeah he said quote people who attend baseball games have the right and in part the enjoyment of the game to root vociferously for their favorites or on the other hand vent in an unsportsmanlike fashion feelings toward players that are negative as players expect this is part of their profession that's why there's a stadium um yet in this case the evidence is
Starting point is 01:28:09 compelling that the remarks made by the fans went beyond the realm of decency i think they're just pointing out factual things why do they get to decide what's decent yeah he killed the chick is that decent or involuntarily manslaughtered why are we throwing decent lines down yeah let's not bring decency into this uh a sleazy motel room shooting is not decent with a girl when you're married like there's a lot of happening here the type of spectator behavior is not only unfair to the players but it's unacceptable to the vast majority of fans who go to the game for entertainment and enjoyment rather than to express such antiisocial behavior it is the policy of this office that extreme actions by spectators that infringe on upon the rights of the players
Starting point is 01:28:49 and other fans be responded to by proper security measures including ejection and in cases where thrown objects are involved legal prosecution without these mitigating circumstances and a letter of apology the penalties would have been much more so fans of sc's a scumbag. He deserved it, is what he said. That's exactly what he said. So, if someone calls you something bad enough, hop on in and beat the shit out of them, even though you're a professional athlete. So, wow.
Starting point is 01:29:16 December 18th, 1981. I think the Astros have had enough between this and the killing. And you know what? They go, we're going to send him on down the line. Let's move him around. They trade him to the Cincinnati Reds. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 01:29:27 Yeah, for Ray Knight. Remember Ray Knight? He was on the 86 Mets team. I don't know. No good? No, he's all right. I don't know. He always looked like an old...
Starting point is 01:29:36 He always looked like somebody's science teacher or something. I was like, why are you playing baseball? I don't know. So they send him from Cincy down to Texas. Down to Texas. All right. So now he's in Cincy. 1982 season. Down to Texas. All right. So now he's in Cincy. 1982 season, Cesar's in Cincy.
Starting point is 01:29:48 Cesar Cincy. They go 61 and 101. Oh, no. Which is god awful. Wow. God awful. Their managers are John McNamara and Russ Nixon, who I assume is Otis' father. Now, Otis was a junior's junior, so definitely not.
Starting point is 01:30:05 So this is 83? This is 82. Okay. Yeah, the big red machine is long dead by now. Yeah. Instead of Johnny Bench. They still have Johnny Bench, but he's playing third base now. They're going to turn it around in like 12 years.
Starting point is 01:30:17 Yeah, 90. 90, yeah. 90, yeah. But then it was like for a year. This is Alex Trevino, Dan Dreissen, Ron Oyster, Dave Concepcion, Eddie Milner, Paul Householder. Oh, boy. That's who's on this team. Starting right fielder, Paul Householder.
Starting point is 01:30:35 Oh, no. So this is not a great squad here, obviously. Jesus Christ. Tom Seaver's on the team. Charlie Liebrandt. A couple of good players here. But this is a dark time for the Reds. He plays in 138 games which is pretty good in 82 um and he hits 289 not too shabby eight homers 57 rbi so he's just lost his powers power's gone it's over he gets under 10 home runs
Starting point is 01:30:58 now but and only 16 stolen bases so what happened yeah yeah it's it's it's going bad may of 1983 he's suspended by the team for a an incident on a plane oh um not what you think it would be when we say an incident on a plane you think wrestlers and you think they were fighting or like trying to sexually assault stewardesses or something um no somebody getting their tongue through the what is it uh oh the okra patch oh yeah yeah the okra patch and all that right this is different instead he got mad that he didn't get the plane ticket he wanted okay on the team plane so they said well we'll talk about here uh apparently uh he's got he gets suspended for a few games, which will cost him about $13,000. Apparently, it was the direct result of being assigned a coach seat instead of a first class one on the Reds flight from Cincinnati to Chicago.
Starting point is 01:31:57 Mind you, that is an hour long flight. You could strap me to the fucking wing for that flight. I don't care. It's not as if you're up, you're down. You're not on an American flight or Southwest southwest you're on the team fucking you're on the team well it might be a charter flight or whatever that was only players and it doesn't matter you're going a fucking hour it's an hour it's right there who cares you don't have a shower ring salesman sitting next to you that's what i mean you're not crammed into coach when they do coach there's no one in the middle seat so you're fine it's fine that's how they used to do it back
Starting point is 01:32:29 then class it's fine exactly you still get booze and everything like that but apparently he was super super super fucking pissed off about this he's accustomed to flying first class with the club because he's a an elder statesman he he took the boarding pass and ripped it up in the fucking everybody's face there and threw the flight through the boarding pass everywhere and walked off the plane and got his own flight and flew home away from the team really yeah so this is not good behavior for one of your stars um apparently he was having problems with the manager russ nix in the last three weeks he was in a little bit of a slump and then he got benched so he was all pissed off and they think that might have made it a little sure made him a
Starting point is 01:33:16 little you know exacerbated yeah sure a little bit here he was suspended for misconduct the suspension was announced so cute that so cute. That was amazing. God, we're adorable. Exacerbate at the same time? I used that word like four times in my life. That was amazing. That was a very appropriate use of it. You nailed it.
Starting point is 01:33:35 You fucking nailed it. Sorry. That's hilarious. So he said he's had his problems and we've had our problems. He didn't excuse, though, what he did. This is the manager. Quote, I don't look at it lightly or we wouldn't have imposed the suspension. I don't feel it was correct in the things that I don't feel he was correct in the things that have happened.
Starting point is 01:33:58 I've never had a crossword with Cedeno. He's always been thoughtful. I read somewhere that we were sorry we had made the trade for him, but that's not true. I told him last night I had no regrets over the trade, and I felt he could help our ball club. He has helped us again, or he has helped us, and I believe will again. So he felt that the manager was the one sticking him in coach. Like, you're not playing well, so I'm sticking you in coach. And he's like, I'm still a fucking, you know, whatever.
Starting point is 01:34:23 So he was having a whole lot of problems there. He said, quote, I think he made the statement, Russ did that personally. That's what the manager says. He thought that they did it personally to him. Russ didn't. He wasn't even aware of it. Steve Cobb, our traveling secretary, was in charge of the plane tickets,
Starting point is 01:34:38 and he wasn't to blame either. He was simply following our regular policy of rotating the fellows in first class and coach seats. Well, that makes sense. Yeah. He said, besides, he's new on the job, so he didn't even know what he was doing. He was just, they said, try to rotate him. He was like, all right.
Starting point is 01:34:51 That's smart. He didn't know. Don't put that guy in coach. He'll lose his fucking mind. You know, seems nice. He's used to something specific. Yeah. And he'll, you know, have you heard about the hotel room?
Starting point is 01:35:02 He's a smidge reckless with weapons. He's got a, He's definitely packing heat. So he's also said, this is the Wagner guy, quote, Cesar is a very emotional fellow. On Sunday's flight from Chicago, we had nine first class seats. The other three first class seats were held by non-baseball people. They were on a regular flight. So the rest of our players had to sit in the coach section. I guess when Cesar got that coach ticket with all his other problems, it hit him wrong.
Starting point is 01:35:28 To him, maybe it was the last straw that broke the camel's back. So, yeah, he said, sometimes I think the fans expect too much. It's hard for them to understand what happens to a player, and it's hard for the people in the front office to understand. But players don't stay in the game. Don't stay. Players don't stay the game. Players don't stay the same sorry it's an old newspaper it's hard to read and you're uh you know how the game is it's frustrating he said it reminds me of when i was in the navy the old navy guys would sit around and tell you uh it would sit around and
Starting point is 01:36:00 you'd hear them say how the last ship they were on was the worst ever yeah this one was only a little bit better and the next one was going to be the best they'd never change their stories and you hear the same thing in baseball all the time that makes sense so 1984 season here we'll talk about quickly 84 season he uh hit 276 who cares 10 home runs who fucking matters okay let's talk about his fuck-ups uh let's do this january 23rd 1985 houston texas yeah 225 a.m oh boy bad sign yeah um he is detained here because he and a woman he was with who knows who uh were driving his Mercedes pretty fast while he was intoxicated and went off the road and plowed into a tree. Oh, no.
Starting point is 01:36:50 Yeah, hit a tree with the Mercedes. Neither were injured in the car. That's great. It's a good, nice, cushy, I guess. It's a good car. Good car, well built, I assume. They ended up later on, the cops said, quote, they had to, whoa, they had to take him out and handcuff him and tie his feet together.
Starting point is 01:37:09 Do you know why he did that? He was running. Well, no, they arrested him because he was drunk as shit and sitting in a car that was attached to a tree, which is a problem. So they arrested him, put him in the back of the car. So, quote, he attempted to kick the back windows out of the police car. They had to hog tie. They had to hog tie him because he was trying to kick the back windows out of the police car they had to hog they had to hog tie him because he was trying to kick the fucking windows out like a psychopath meth
Starting point is 01:37:30 addict on live pd right that they have to put a spit hood on he's the reason they put bars on the windows of a cop car this moron wow kicking the fucking windows you're the idiot who ran into a tree stupid right it's not like they came to your house and pulled you out of bed. You ran into a tree. Did you expect no one to notice that? You may as well have driven into jail. Literally plowed right up the front steps of the police station. You're wrapped around a tree.
Starting point is 01:37:57 Put me in, coach. You're going to jail, man. Jesus fucking Christ. It's crazy. The Reds president, Bobusman uh said in a statement here he said quote we just just this morning heard the information and it's just a matter of waiting to see what the situation is in other words i'm not saying shit about shit hair is silver don't worry about it he said in an interview here pete rose who at the time was the
Starting point is 01:38:22 manager of the reds and a player he was a player manager there at the end when he was going for this is when he was going for his record-breaking hit this guy played with pete rose oh yeah he played with pete rose he played with a lot of guys like unbelievable crazy so uh pete rose i guess uh he said that he was impressed with cesar's play he said sedanio played so well for me last year he was one of the top players in the league in the last three weeks if the season were to start tomorrow he'd be in left field he's earned that so uh yeah regardless now this is this is dumb though you obviously shouldn't drive drunk and plowing and things so you would assume the team would look down on this right maybe serious
Starting point is 01:39:02 yeah not quite um they said uh jesus christ they had to take him out and handcuff him and tie his feet together that's amazing to me so uh uh chuck barry of reich and landman and barry the pittsburgh law firm which represents sedanio said quote i don't think this is that big of a deal he ran his mercedes into a tree right off the road okay where's the part where that's his full statement i don't think it's a big deal he ran his mercedes into a tree right off the road okay where's the part where that's his full statement i don't think it's a big deal he ran his mercedes off the road yeah but it could have been a kid and why did he run mercedes off the road and what could it have been instead of a tree it's not like the car got a flat tire and he lost control that's what i mean
Starting point is 01:39:40 that would be whether he was sober or not who knows nope he ran into a fucking tree because he was drunk um the cincinnati reds president said uh he and indicated there's no immediate disciplinary action planned against sedanio not only that here but uh he then said that it was an accident and it quote could have happened to anybody oh boy literally said drunk driving accident could happen to anybody that is is the statement given by the Matt. The fucking. Welcome to 1984. Could happen to any boys will be boys. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:40:14 Wow. Asked if the club would take any disciplinary action. He said, we're waiting to see what the situation is. I think a person should have all the facts before he makes any comment at all. And then Pete Rose said that it didn't alter his his sedano status with the club. He said, quote, You can't crucify a guy for something like this. It's something that could happen to anybody. It couldn't happen to me because I don't drink, but it could happen to anybody else.
Starting point is 01:40:38 Pete Rose has another vice, obviously, that we didn't know about at the time, but we certainly do now. He says Caesar is a baseball player and a good one. something happened to him that happens to a lot of americans what wow right uh he ran his fucking tree yeah wow they said he scheduled for a hearing he refused to take a breathalyzer test and um yeah so his license is automatically revoked for 90 days. So pretty stupid there. Not too smart. He spent, oh, wow, he spent seven weeks in a stress management program at the California Institute for Behavioral Medicine the year before, by the way. Stress management?
Starting point is 01:41:18 In Beverly Hills. He had a little bit of a breakdown, apparently. Calling it rehab. Yeah. His counselor at the institute said quote as far as drug or alcohol dependence goes that has never been a problem for him that's not to say that cc doesn't drink but when he came to us he was given a series of tests to detect the drug or alcohol dependence it was never an issue with him except for when someone got shot and when a car got run
Starting point is 01:41:39 off the fucking road in a goddamn tree and never an issue i've seen two issues so far with it both of them had death and potential death yeah probably an issue at that point and the other person at this point it's fucking it's it's honestly yeah that could happen to anybody you can't crucify that's kind of shocking is it not all right it's like i mean it's today this is a punch line oh it's this is ridiculous that boys will be literally almost said hey boys will be boys what are you gonna do it's shocking i gotta say but not as shocking as the sales jimmy oh the sales so if you happen to be in marion ohio where this newspaper is from in uh 1985 in january of 1985 if you find yourself back there we have for you these sales at the Cervex Superstores. Cervex, they named their place.
Starting point is 01:42:28 No. Wow. No. Was the Fallopian Center was taken? There's an ovarian food court is outside of this place, though. Good Christ. Was the Labius Minor, was that taken? I think it was, yeah.
Starting point is 01:42:42 Christ, was the labias minor, was that taken? I think it was, yeah. You can get videotapes, VHS tapes, 120-minute Scotch VHS tapes, $4.99. All right. That's all for one tape, for a blank tape. $249 for a VCR. Good God. Here's a VCR with a remote, and it's a forehead.
Starting point is 01:43:02 It's nice. $399 for that shit. it's like they knew that that technology was going to be gone and we've got to capitalize now every cent i found a 12 inch black and white tv good god they had a 12 inch for a 59.88 what a fucking ripoff and that's a ripoff 13 inch color tv 229 wow A little more for that bad boy. Yeah, I found a turntable, a nice turntable here for $79.88. That has gone up zero. It's the same price.
Starting point is 01:43:34 It's the same price. Weird, right? Even more expensive now. Maybe. Good turntables are expensive now. They are. I found a radar detector here, Fox radar detector for $79. Like it goes in your car? Yeah, like a radar detector for 79 like that goes in your car yeah like a radar detector in the 80s yeah get your beep beep beep beep beep it would be constantly um also let's say you're
Starting point is 01:43:53 hungry after all that you need to go go down head on down to the isali shop and join us this join us for this special friday feature polish sausage dinner, only $3.79. Seems like a deal. Yeah, not bad. Chicken Parmesan spaghetti night on Friday, $4.10. Okay. Let's see. Broccoli and cheese omelet on Sunday. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 01:44:17 Tuna and noodles casserole on Monday, January 28th. Why would you even tell anybody you have that? You don't sell that. No. That's something that you make when that's all that's why would you even sell anybody you have that you don't sell that no that's something that you you know make when that's all it's in the house that's like yeah you put those together i mean this is all we've got it'll fill you up protein and the pasta's a lot of carbs it'll sell that in a restaurant it'll stop your stomach from hurting it's also going to cause a pain but it might be well later that's later. You'll be fine. Stuffed cabbage rolls, $3.39.
Starting point is 01:44:48 They've run out of good ideas. Stop. And then all you can eat fish dinner is on Wednesdays. So we'll take that. I like fish. Depends on what it is. Well, yeah, yeah. You can do that.
Starting point is 01:44:59 Also, when you're done there, maybe you want to go down to, what is this? The Ponderosa. Yeah. Remember those? Is it a bar? Buffet. Oh, okay. The world's biggest salad, the biggest best salad buffet proudly presents the hot spot.
Starting point is 01:45:14 Yeah. Yeah. Ponderosa now gives you a choice of tasty hot items that leaves all other salad bars behind. Oh. So it wasn't just salad anymore. You could get chopped steak value meals, two for $6.99.
Starting point is 01:45:27 That's the coupon here. Chopped tuna noodle casserole. Rib-eye steak value meals, two for $7.99. Don't say steak and value meal. Don't say rib-eye and value. There's no value. I don't want two rib-eyes for $8.
Starting point is 01:45:42 I just don't want that. I know that's all ribbon. That's fucking, oh, you I just don't want that. I know that's all ribbon. That's fucking nuts. Oh, you're going to be hacking that. Just chewing it like crazy. It's all chunks of fat. Oh, man. I also found here you've eaten.
Starting point is 01:45:54 Now you're, you know, step two of the date. You got to take them out to a movie. Oh, boy. I got movies for you. Go out and see Dune because it starts Friday. Brand new. Brand new. Protocol with Goldie Hawn oh she was in the
Starting point is 01:46:06 military i think in that oh or no no she was like a government uh she worked for a government agency somebody died i don't know what the hell it was some shit she's like an international some shit um night patrol it's i've seen that final night it says they're making america safe barely oh it's probably a comedy i was you never heard of it it's not i was thinking armed and dangerous yeah yeah no no break into what electric fucking boogaloo in the theater yeah in the theater i want that experience you can see that ah it says they're back for everyone who believes in the beat yeah i believe in me and jimmy right here beverly hills cop was playing
Starting point is 01:46:45 oh that's another experience thousand times i've never seen that shit in theater no i want that experience too young and uh then also nightmare on elm street is playing so there's a lot of classics right there at the drive-in that's what i'm saying that's why i had fucking nightmares forever and i didn't sleep for three weeks that Because that shit happened outside. And then I also found a Marlboro ad that is amazing. It is for Marlboro 25s. Post what we know about it now. Remember 25s? No.
Starting point is 01:47:14 25s were 25 cigarettes in a pack rather than 20. So they're like the size of a Camel Wides pack. Exactly. There's 25. And it says, for smokers who prefer the convenience of five more cigarettes for per pack for smokers who a pack a day isn't enough for them this will get them over the edge do you need to lie to yourself are you smoking more than a pack and it's like it's like i smoke like like just not quite two packs i don't want to get into a set but like i
Starting point is 01:47:41 just want like a couple extra smokes i'm doing my back you know like three four smokes you know what i mean maybe five i want to have a backup you know but I just want a couple extra smokes. I'm doing my pack. You know, like three, four smokes. You know what I mean? Maybe five. I want to have a backup, you know, just in case. I run through like a carton a week, and that's seven days, three extra packs. So it's not quite two. I feel like I've got to be even this out a little bit. You know what I mean? 25s.
Starting point is 01:47:57 25s. Fucking ridiculous. Just for those that are lying to themselves. Yeah. For those who are lying to yourselves, Marlboro 25s. Marlboro 58s. For those of you who don't think that two packs of cigarettes in a day is quite enough, but no, you don't want to smoke a whole three.
Starting point is 01:48:15 Marlboro 58s. 58 cigarettes in a pack. It's a pack. Who cares? You can make the pack any size. It's a goddamn pack. So the sales. that's the sales cesar denies the police account of what happened he says bullshit which is hilarious uh that he
Starting point is 01:48:34 says quote this entire thing has pretty much been blown out of proportion his english has improved dramatically he knows proportion then he said chicken motherfucker he said i swear to you i don't misbehave i wasn't drunk i wasn't intoxicated i did refuse a breathalyzer test but there was no scuffle took him i guess it was a hard to get him cuffed as well he wasn't taking to that kindly sure either he said the accident occurred after he and a woman friend had dinner went dancing and were on their way to meet another friend which i'm sure he didn't drink dinner or dancing never how do you how do you eat and then uh dance and you do that shit sober sober all of that no no one dances sober never come on uh yeah he said that uh that's what happened he refused no scuffle meeting on their way to meet
Starting point is 01:49:21 another friend quote i was driving 50 or 60 miles an hour and we were arguing he anytime you'll hear a report of him in the same domicile as a woman whether it be a car or house or something they're arguing yeah something bad is happening it wasn't it was an open street but i guess i was going too fast i took a hard right turn and lost control of the car we smashed into a tree he said the first thing the police say to me was stand on one leg and count to 25 i made it to eight but i had been knocked out and i was pretty shaken up at that point they handcuffed me uh he says he didn't try to kick the window out in the police cruiser he said quote i was concerned about my friend she was in the ambulance and they wouldn't let me talk to her i just wanted to find out if she was okay. I was handcuffed.
Starting point is 01:50:05 So I kicked on the window to try to get the officer's attention. Yeah, motherfucker. That's what you're doing. That's what every crackhead's doing. They're trying to get their attention. They don't want to be in the back of the goddamn car for whatever reason. Come on, man. We got to talk. Come on i can tell i can fix all
Starting point is 01:50:27 of this i could just let let me kick this window out he wants to talk to her so that he makes sure that she knows to tell the cops no he wasn't drinking i didn't see him with anything um i he says uh yeah i was handcuffed so i kicked the window to try to get their attention i wasn't trying to break the window they dragged me out of the car and then tied my feet they threw me back in the car face down he says that he can prove he wasn't drunk i don't know how you do that well after the fact he said quote i'm sure the houston police will have to apologize to me when this is all over yeah they're gonna have to apologize to him god damn it so in court um funny the police don't apologize at all for this no apologies none given weird right
Starting point is 01:51:05 especially when he pleads no contest to a charge of drunken driving there's not really an apology issued for that yeah he's fined four hundred dollars and ordered to pay residents of the house of the tree that he hit seven thousand dollars for damage created when he wrecked his car that's an expensive tree it's i guess he took out some other shit yeah who knows what he took out the judge also sentenced him to you sir may fuck off 120 days in jail but yeah suspended the sentence uh for two years if he doesn't get right yeah pending good behavior pending good behavior um his communication with a probation officer will be done uh by mail by the way it's to mail his probation officer shit that's hilarious um he said that he was innocent obviously and um his representation and legal counsel said quote we discussed the case at length i felt and i still feel if we had gone to trial
Starting point is 01:51:58 trial cesar would have been exonerated but i was one of the participants in urging cesar to plead no contest this decision was made because we felt and we told caesar this that this is a trial that would be excruciating even if he had won we would obviously uh and we obviously think we would have he would have lost he would have been faced with a lot of publicity and the rehash of things that that will haunt caesar throughout his career sure i would say yeah he say, yeah. He said it was stepped up so Caesar could put this behind him and get on with the season. Yes.
Starting point is 01:52:30 He said, I have talked to Cesar about this incident since it occurred. He spent some time with me out here in Los Angeles. His state of mind is good, and he's in great shape. He's seriously ready for the season, and I can assure you that Cesar has in no way a chemical dependency problem. We just wanted to put this behind him. That's the reason for the no contest, just to put it behind him. Say it five more times.
Starting point is 01:52:54 August 29, 1985, the Reds put it behind them, and they trade him to the Cardinals for Mark Jackson, who's a minor leaguer, not the point guard for the Knicks. So 1985, he ends up playing for the Cardinals. This is mid-season they trade him, August 29th. So they got him for the pennant run. Cardinals won the World Series that year. What? They beat the Royals in seven games that year in the World Series. Very exciting World Series.
Starting point is 01:53:22 A man that was in the room with a dead body has a ring. He goes here. Yep, he goes here. Hits the shit out of the ball, by the way. This team is the Jack Clark, Tommy Herr,
Starting point is 01:53:34 Ozzie Smith, the RBI baseball. If you played RBI baseball on regular Nintendo when you were a child, this is the Cardinal lineup that's on there, basically. Willie McGee, Vince Coleman,
Starting point is 01:53:44 Andy Van Slyke, Terry Pendleton. Everybody you've heard of if you were from that era. Yeah, Joaquin Andahar, one of the pitchers. Terry Pendleton played for the fucking Cardinals? He started there. Wow. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:53:57 Yeah, he was later on, he was on the Braves and all that. He was so good. Yeah, he was real. I love Terry Pendleton. He was fucking awesome. So good. So good. He had the Kirby Puckett body. Sure in the fuck damn could he
Starting point is 01:54:05 run and hit and fucking field he was nasty so yeah they end up going and it's him too he is one of the main catalysts here he hits he plays in 28 games for them has 76 at bats hits 434 wow so i mean he was exactly what they needed they just injected this like They just injected this energy into the lineup of hitting 434. A murderer, James. Just murdering the ball. Just killing it. He's killing it, Jimmy. He's shooting it right out of the park.
Starting point is 01:54:32 He's shooting it right in the temple. He has six home runs in 28 games, even. He's crushing it. He's batslinging. Just got a.38 caliber pop. That's what it is. He's got the pop of a Smith & Wesson. When he hits the ball, it's a snub nose, they call.
Starting point is 01:54:49 It's a real moonshot. It's a real moonshot. Every time. Jesus Christ, that's awesome. Fucking gun puns are a plentiful. They're everywhere. They're going to keep coming, too. So this series, he didn't do well in the playoffs, though. He hit.434 toward the end. Then he hit. do well in the playoffs though he hit 434 toward the
Starting point is 01:55:05 end then he hit 167 in the nlds oh no and hit 133 in the world series a lot of blanks it's a lot of blanks it's not good but uh he's shooting blanks over here they um so that's that anyway he made 562 500 that year yeah not bad for 85 pretty goddamn good november 12th 85 he becomes a free agent contract is up march of 86 this is when he starts a little tour uh march 14th he signs with the blue jays goes to spring training with them a little bit but then he's released on april 3rd right like final cuts basically so april 10th he signed as a free agent with the dodgers okay So the Dodgers this year, they were 73 and 89 this year.
Starting point is 01:55:47 Mike Socia, Steve Sachs, that team, you know, the team, basically the team that won two years from then won the World Series.
Starting point is 01:55:54 It's kind of the same team now. Yeah, a lot of good players. Fernando Valenzuela, Bob Welsh, Earl Hershiser. June 5th, 1986,
Starting point is 01:56:01 he's released by the Dodgers. So it doesn't last too long there. Then July 19th, 1986, he's released by the Dodgers. So it doesn't last too long there. Then July 19th, 86, he's signed by the Cardinals again. Okay. So very strange. With the Dodgers, he played in 37 games. He hit 231. So not wonderful, and that's why they released him.
Starting point is 01:56:17 Not quite the energetic injection they were looking for. He is signed with St. Louis, and he and he makes 200 grand for this year and he he plays at louisville there they put him in the minors and he hits like under 200 in louisville oh no so then he's just done after that uh november of 1986 he's not done with everything though baseball might be on the back burner but driving while intoxicated boy that's on the back burner, but driving while intoxicated, boy, that's on the front burner. Steps it up. Oh, yeah. Going pro. November 18th, 1986, he is busted for another DUI. This one didn't make the papers at all. No?
Starting point is 01:56:52 Could not find a press account of it. This is on his record. When you bat under 200 in the minors. Yeah, either that or they figured out a way to, they knew the guy to talk to to not get that happen, not let that happen july 1st 1987 he is arrested here um he's out at a bar and he is arrested for misdemeanor assault at a nightclub in a houston suburb um which when we tell you what happened this guy's lucky that there
Starting point is 01:57:21 was no guns involved so he's in the houston suburb here, and he's accused of smashing a glass into a man's face. Oh, which, you know, will bring some wounds here. Apparently, the man bumped into Cedeno in Jay Larkin's Club Cafe. And from that, Cedeno smashed a glass into his face for bumping into him. That seems excessive. Yeah. Then a fight broke up, broke out a seems excessive yeah uh then a fight broke up broke out a huge melee and then other people ended up breaking it up and that's what happened
Starting point is 01:57:50 they took the man to the hospital for facial cuts sure and he's charged with assault so that seems right yeah that now may 27th 1988 he's got a little bit of a problem he is uh he's arrested again i'll say so by webster police on charges of assault and resisting arrest after an attack on a woman who is his girlfriend and the mother of his child he is intoxicated doesn't have a dependency problem remember that yeah two duis shot a girl who's you know girl got shot while he was drunk yeah this but smashes a glass in a guy's face no no problem he may not have a problem but uh alcohol smashes a glass in a guy's face. No, no problem. He may not have a problem,
Starting point is 01:58:26 but alcohol's got a problem with him. That's what I'm saying. I don't care if you drink once a year. If every time it happens, you end up in jail afterwards. You got an alcohol problem. I don't, you know, it doesn't matter how often
Starting point is 01:58:37 it's the results that are the problem. That's how they judge whether you're an alcoholic. Are you fucking up your life? Yeah. Are you working every day? Are you doing things? I drink a lot. And I never have police interaction while doing there
Starting point is 01:58:48 you go then you're that you don't have an alcohol probably probably or less of one than he does anyway we'll put it that way it's probably hindering me in other ways yeah i'm sure i'm sure physically especially so apparently he was intoxicated and angry over custody of his four month old daughter which he's married by the way and custody of his four-month-old daughter, which he's married, by the way, and this is his girlfriend he's got a daughter with who's four months old. And so he went over to the house and apparently beat the shit out of this woman. Here, Jesus Christ, Pam Lamon is her name, 32 years old.
Starting point is 01:59:17 She called police to her apartment at 4.30 a.m. Yep. And told police that he had beaten her and taken the baby. That's kidnapping. You can't beat a woman and steal it what are you thinking what are you thinking you can't hit a woman and take her kid everything he does you go why would you think to do that why would you ever think that was okay right you can't beat a woman and take her kid never um this is fucking nuts uh webster police officer said quote he went over there this morning drunk and started slapping her around he then snatched the baby from her and drove away drunk oh my god beats her up jesus four o'clock in the morning he busts in drunk beats her up
Starting point is 01:59:55 takes the baby then drives away with the baby while she's drunk how scared you know this is insane so before police arrived uh sedano had returned and assaulted her again. So two assaults. She called the cops. And before they got there, he got back and beat her up again. And then left. Beat her up again, beating her head against a wall. I know I'm not going to say a slap, but this is more than a slap. A slap is a slap.
Starting point is 02:00:20 It's horrible. Domestic violence is terrible, obviously. But I'm going gonna injure your head hard into a fucking wall this is like i'm meaning to cause damage i'm gonna matt i'm a controlling maniac this is a smushy thing that thing's hard exactly it's a difference it's fucking ridiculous so um he apparently beat her head against the wall she's treated for bruises by an ambulance and uh she wouldn't take go to the hospital though they treated her on the site because she said no one was there to watch the baby and she wasn't giving up the old dickhead over here why because he's going to jail uh he's released on two thousand
Starting point is 02:00:53 dollars bail um the harris county children's protective services had warned uh webster police that sedano had threatened the woman at the hospital when she gave birth so it's on record that she'd been threatening him. CPS spokesman... He's been threatening her. Thank you. CPS spokesman Judy Hay said that the woman has custody of the child and Cedeno is the
Starting point is 02:01:15 legal father, but she didn't know if he was seeking legal custody. He just wanted to go up and beat her and steal the person there, the baby so say they also he's married and has no children with his wife but he's got kids on the outside jesus wow um what a life while he's being booked the booking person said quote when he was being booked he kept saying that he was going to get that baby away from her my god you are being arrested for that very act sir um yeah so
Starting point is 02:01:46 he's released from jail after posting posting a two thousand dollar bond and um yeah he's released from jail he's very angry obviously you know he seems like an angry guy he's got some super issues man yeah he goes out and he's just he's angry and he finally no one's on his side no that's the problem no one's on his side in his mind he's like no one's on my side everybody's against me me against the world yeah i'm not even i don't even have silver haired middle-aged white men anymore i'm done playing baseball what am i gonna do with my life i don't know what to do no one's on my side and then he runs into someone who's on his side. Yeah. It's Adam Pac-Man, Arugula Connoisseur Jones. And he says, there's no music, so he just says, how is it you've come to arrive here?
Starting point is 02:02:33 This is ridiculous. Yes. You're here because people are whiny. That's what it is. I mean, honestly, you care. You care about this young child, correct? Your kid's your child. Obviously, you're a caring father
Starting point is 02:02:46 and he went over there and first of all sometimes you ever seen on wall sometimes there's cracks in the dry wall you go what's that there someone can't see you gotta say look a little closer look a little closer pal and that's I feel like obviously yeah that's what was happening and then you were like let me give you a
Starting point is 02:03:02 break because you've been watching as a child and you said you know what I'll take him off your hands for a little while to watch this child and obviously if someone thinks your gun is nice it's only polite to try to pull it away sometimes it happens but
Starting point is 02:03:17 she was probably going to steal it I think it's okay I think it's going to be alright I think you've done a splendid job honestly i think it's fine and uh can i offer you some arugula and poof he's gone in a shitload of leaves and arrest warrants there he goes so yeah he's uh wow 1989 he's trying to make a comeback oh boy he plays winter ball in mexico and then he tries he with both the Houston Astros and the Texas Rangers. Really?
Starting point is 02:03:48 And both of them say no thank you. He does play in the Senior Professional Baseball Association that year. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, this was some sad shit. We've talked about it before because Ron LaFleur was playing this year and everything else. This is the inaugural season of it. You can play senior ball no uh that's it's bad you don't want to see that uh
Starting point is 02:04:11 manager earl weaver that we've talked about a lot which is hilarious man on our angriest man ever uh on this team they had cesar they had uh joaquin andahar and uh bur Bert Campanaris on the team as well. And Campanaris was 47 years old and stole 16 bases to lead the team. Wow. Jesus Christ. Cedeno hit 331 to share the team. He should. He's playing against older people here. 16 bases stolen.
Starting point is 02:04:39 That's amazing. By an old-ass man. That's only because the shortstop couldn't get there to cover in time. Right, because he tripped. Paul just sailed into center field. He's like, oh, shit, damn it, I'm not as quick off of that anymore. They had to send a stretcher in for the shortstop who just broke his hip. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 02:04:56 Oh, it's a hip again. It's a hip. Bring the kit. So he gives up after one year. That league only lasts like two years. It was an embarrassment. Sure. 1990, he becomes a coach with the minor league Kissimmee Coast Astros.
Starting point is 02:05:10 So he's a coach down there. So, yeah, he's kind of kicking around the minors as a coach for a couple years. September 29, 1992, it's 5.30 p.m. He's at home with his pregnant girlfriend. What could go wrong? It's not the middle of the night. He's not at a bar. He's not with with his pregnant girlfriend. Yeah. What could go wrong? It's not the middle of the night. He's not at a bar. He's not with a strange woman.
Starting point is 02:05:30 Pregnant girlfriend at home. Five thirty p.m. So what could go wrong? He'll obviously be arrested. Now, here's how it goes. Police at five thirty went to the Polo South Apartments off North Dyer Boulevard to find out why a woman's 911 call had been disconnected. Yeah. Let's just hope that it was an accident. Let's hope that,
Starting point is 02:05:49 um, Cesar, um, when they, when police arrived, struggled with several officers. Um, Oh,
Starting point is 02:05:56 that's not all he did. He struggled with that after his girlfriend, Pam, same girl from 1988, by the way, who's now pregnant with his, another child of his. Pam said he beat her for not cleaning their apartment.
Starting point is 02:06:09 Their apartment. He lives with her. He's divorced in an apartment that he beat her because it was dirty. She didn't clean. She is pregnant. He beat a pregnant woman for not cleaning well enough. He's a retired baseball player, able-bodied enough to play baseball still clean your own fucking place man or i don't know if you're more successful you could hire someone to come clean your shit you wanted to beat the
Starting point is 02:06:35 fuck out of your pregnant girlfriend you asshole don't beat up pregnant women the fuck is wrong with you had you not accidentally shot a woman maybe it'd still be on trajectory of hall of fame where you'd be making a lot of money, it's still beyond trajectory of Hall of Fame. Hey, you'd be making a lot of money. You'd be going to making appearances for money because you're a fucking Hall of Famer, you asshole. Wow. So, wow. He said she said he beat her for not cleaning the apartment. That's amazing.
Starting point is 02:06:58 Then he locked her out of the apartment. Yeah. He said it's dirty. Beat her up and then pushed his pregnant girlfriend out of the apartment and locked her outside after he beat up a pregnant woman i'm gonna keep repeating beat up a pregnant woman because of how ridiculous that is how asinine that is i wish i had a thought to lock my ex-wife just out of the house that's a great idea i don't know Just ignore the doorbell. I don't know. What? Just want my Bluetooth headset. Turn the TV off.
Starting point is 02:07:28 I don't hear it. Who's at the door, Dad? I don't hear it. I don't know what you're talking about, kids. I don't hear shit. Broncos are on. Can your room play your video games? That's it.
Starting point is 02:07:37 Put your headset back on. So he's charged with aggravated assault. She is 5'3", as well. This is a little tiny pregnant woman. He's 6 with aggravated assault. She is five foot three as well. This is a little tiny pregnant woman. He's six foot two. She serves no any sort of threat to him at all. No, especially pregnant. Right.
Starting point is 02:07:52 He hit her and threw her against the wall as well. Pregnant. Told police she has one child and is four months pregnant. That's still in the precarious stages of pregnancy where you shouldn't be throwing people into fucking walls. Lose that real easy. Yeah. She says, quote, Cesar has a serious drinking problem
Starting point is 02:08:09 and only becomes abusive when he drinks. I have begged him to get help, but he won't. Finally, somebody fucking admits it. Right. When people can make money off of him, nobody will admit it. Just hair turns silver
Starting point is 02:08:19 and they all go, I don't know, he doesn't have an alcohol dependency problem to me. Swing the bat. Just a fun guy. I don't care about anybody. Finally, when a woman's pregnant and beaten and thrown against the wall she goes hey maybe this asshole with the fucking alcohol she uh she declined to talk about what happened but she said it's the you know this this isn't a new thing basically he's arrested
Starting point is 02:08:39 by the way this is the crazier part i've told you all the crazy stuff, right? Yeah. I haven't told you the crazier part of the arrest. Oh, bye. So he's arrested for all that craziness. While they're dragging him outside trying to cuff him, he breaks away and swipes one of the cops' nightsticks. No. He pulls a fucking club out of the cop's belt and starts squaring off with the cops with a fucking nightstick in his hand. That's what happened. They had to have multiple cops wrestle him to the ground with
Starting point is 02:09:10 a fucking nightstick in his hand that he swiped from the one cop's belt. That'll get you shot. That, you are very lucky not to get shot, especially after you just beat up a pregnant woman, because you'd be pissed off at that enough and then he takes your nightstick. You'd be like, oh, this motherfucker. I mean, I don't want cops to kill anybody but when you can't when you take a weapon and then come at him with a
Starting point is 02:09:29 weapon you're asking for some kind of trouble at that i wouldn't do that personally cops are showing up to a domestic violence scene that's when people are shot most what's i mean especially because it's not like he was he got pulled over for nothing and they were harassing him that wasn't the case here he wasn't claiming he beat up a pregnant woman that called the fucking you know what i'm yeah yeah it's it's insane so aggravated battery resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer these are all bad charges very serious very serious he's released with twenty five hundred dollars bail the sergeant said that he didn't why he didn't know why sedania wasn't charged with domestic battery at the time
Starting point is 02:10:05 all these were the charges against the cops they were pissed so it's very strange yeah they uh let's worry about he beat up a pregnant woman let's talk about that so they said this is a charge typically filed to make a defendant to make sure he's not released quickly you file the domestic violence so they'll keep him a couple days rather than let him write out which is what they did he said quote i'm surprised they did that this is the police guy after we review the report we may have to revoke the bond if it's serious enough which it is i mean jesus christ this poor woman i feel really bad for her she's gotten twice with this asshole and what's happened in the five years in between having to live with this nutcase and now you got two kids with him. Roped into him for at least 18 years.
Starting point is 02:10:46 I feel bad for her. I really do. I mean, honestly, I feel bad for her. I feel bad for a lot of people, Jimmy. But not nearly as bad as I feel for Cesar Cedeno, economic development specialist at the city of Santa Ana in Orange County, California. Really? Cesar Cedeno, healthcare operations leader, Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Unless you're pregnant, then I'll throw you against a wall, so maybe not go there.
Starting point is 02:11:11 Yeah. Cesar Cedeno, bilingual educator, greater New York City area. Cesar Cedeno, certified surgical technologist at Kaiser Permanente in Los Angeles. Yeah, in the DR. Yeah, exactly. In LA. Yeah. permanente yeah in los angeles yeah exactly in la yeah uh cesar sedano architecture and planning professional greater new york city area so that's like almost a dexter manly situation
Starting point is 02:11:32 cesar sedano assistant cook at the crusty crab washington dc metro area get the fuck out where i had to put that oh yeah they made it oh jesus and finally cesar sedano the zero and one mma fighter who was born in 1996 maybe cesar's son for all i fucking know i have no idea but i doubt it because i believe he is venezuela he's cuban okay he's cuban so it's not him not related to him there's a lot of cesar sedano's by the way yeah apparently it's not him. Not related to him. There's a lot of Cesar Cedeno. Is that right? Yeah. Apparently, it's not like specific to any country there. So like Spanish speaking countries, they all have Cesar Cedeno. Like it's not specific to anything. So yeah, an 0-1 fighter he was.
Starting point is 02:12:18 Retired apparently. Career earnings, $0 for that man. He did it on an open mic night 1993 i pay cesar is a i almost said pedro again cesar is a hitting instructor for single a in davenport iowa so he's got a job anyway after all these fucking arrests he's lucky to have one he uh also served as coach for the rookie level gulf gulf coast league farm team of the washington nationals before they shitcanned him in 2009 after that he served as the hitting coach for the greenville astros of the appalachian league
Starting point is 02:12:56 basically kicks around the very low minor leagues being a hitting instructor until they realize he's a drunk and let him go wow that's pretty much how it works now he goes around hey it's cesar sedano you hire him to do single a he goes to a small town and 20 extra people buy tickets and they go let's say it's our sedano right i remember him remember the bad news bears literally it's it's it remember in uh in uh league of the rome they're like just go out there and wave your little hat yeah that's i feel like what it is so when do i get paid when do i get paid so 1996 my road rose yes that's right i love that movie i love that fucking movie it's so good tom angst makes the movie everything great so good he's just hilarious that's why he's hilarious and good at drama and he's good at drunk he's good at really good great at being a drunk
Starting point is 02:13:42 he's a funny drunk he always has been a funny drunk remember in uh uh uh splash yeah when he's good really good at being a drunk he's a funny drunk he always has been a funny drunk remember in uh uh splash yeah when he's like shit face and john candy's like ah you're a lightweight pal i didn't realize like picking him up by the collar like throwing him around he's all shit faced he's a good drunk he doesn't look like huh yeah his eyes get real weird so it makes you wonder is that something he does a lot? Maybe. He could be just good at it, or he's a drunk. Yeah. So 1996, January 16th, 1996. This is in Florida. How do you say Osceola?
Starting point is 02:14:14 Is that how you say it? Or Osceola? Oh, I don't even know. O-C-E-O-L-A? Yeah, O-S-C-E-O-L-A. It's probably Osceola. That's what I thought it was. Osceola County, Florida.
Starting point is 02:14:24 He is arrested for possession of drug paraphernalia on that day in 1996 i can't find now i can't find records life fantasy arrest records so i don't know what kind of drug paraphernalia he's got yeah i mean that that's a big range could be a weed pipe could be a weed pipe he could have a crack pipe those are very different pipes right they're super different that's like water going in shit going out very different pipes it's not necessarily different pipes it's just it's a different person that has those oh very different oh boy very much different person you can judge them differently yes july of 1997 he is busted for a uh the high speeding
Starting point is 02:15:02 here don't why is he in the car that's july 3rd he's celebrating early yeah uh september 3rd 1997 he's uh busted for speeding again okay so he does that again august 2010 he's ticketed for backing up improperly into a roadway or some shit okay i don't know if he got in an accident because he was backing up into a road or something but right that's uh august of 2010 october 2012 uh he's arrested for careless driving he is so bad behind the wheel get the yeah stop with the cars already with this guy fuck man can we can can we all like all right here we go leagues professional sports leagues you have a responsibility. You're making these people into drunks and everything else.
Starting point is 02:15:48 I know they're drunks anyway, but you're helping with your lifestyle. You're certainly contributing. You need to provide lifelong Uber services for these people because I'm sick of this shit. When you look at athletes, the amount of DUIs is staggering. It's fucking staggering. And they're the people that should get DUIs is staggering. It's fucking stat. And they're the people that should the least like should get DUIs the least. And you know what? You have people that are willing to drive them places.
Starting point is 02:16:12 Besides a public service of keeping them off the streets dangerously. You're also saving these men and women shit piles of money. Shit piles of money. By keeping them from spending on frivolous ass cars. Other people's lives. All this shit that we're doing stop doing it stop every one of these fucking you can get a ride but i don't leave my car here big dumb asshole car why yeah who cares jesus christ we had to show it up to look what i got right i have to show you so i can get some ass gives a fuck so yeah careless driving um Two counts of careless driving.
Starting point is 02:16:46 Isn't it more impressive, P.S., to leave a bar and get into a giant fucking black car that another person is driving rather than get into a giant douchebag car that you might get arrested for? That you might die in. Yeah, or get arrested for an hour later. Isn't it more impressive? Wouldn't it be more impressive to your date? One would think.
Starting point is 02:17:03 To safely get somewhere in fucking classy-ass style? It's probably the date's over when you get arrested yeah probably once the cuffs go on you know your chance of getting laid significantly dropped even if she's not impressed by the lincoln town car she's certainly going to be impressed uh that you got home and can fuck still that's what i mean that's much more impressive go for it is what i'm saying so this asshole this asshole instead continues to drive. And I don't know what the hell he's doing now, to be honest with you. That was the last I heard of him was 2012. And he was driving around carelessly.
Starting point is 02:17:34 He's out there. He's still alive. What is he, 69 years old at this point in time, wandering somewhere? With some stories. He's got some stories, especially one about a hotel room. But that is Cesar Cedeno. Can't get enough of Cesar Cedeno? Well, get on Amazon.com.
Starting point is 02:17:53 You can get a Cesar Cedeno autographed 8x10 color photo of him on the Astros. $24.99 plus $5.99 shipping. Arrives before Christmas. That's not bad. Not bad at all. And I think they had a lot because they say only two left in stock.
Starting point is 02:18:07 So apparently this is a popular item. It is. That's being sold a lot here. Or there's only two of them ever. Or that we had two and that's it. Also, go to Main Entrance Sports, and they have a Cesar Cedeno Houston Astros Louisville Slugger model. It's not a game-used one one but it's like an exact replica of
Starting point is 02:18:26 his 70s you can see it here it's cool it's got his that's cool as shit it's like looks aged it's dope as shit it's a genuine game model beast uh 267 louisville slugger bat i used to know all the models used to hang out at rod's house and he referred to bats by model numbers that's an 822 and so just because that's all the players did they knew the model numbers so that's how i started just because i we play with bats all the time so there's different weights to them but they are they different lengths and different lengths grips uh where it's handled yeah handle uh is thicker thinner things like that because he had like a shitload of other people's bats there like he had a pete rose bat that was sweet
Starting point is 02:19:03 i used to use all the time at his house just fucking around in the living room i'd be sitting there swinging it but just knowing what pete felt yeah but it was like yeah that's a whatever that i can't remember the one t22 or so i can't remember what the hell the one model was but it was like uh it was my favorite i figured out what my favorite one was so it's uncracked but has some damage to the knob it uh matches what he used yeah he's, he's got some damage to his knob. You want to watch out for that. And it's the one he used consistently over the years with the Astros, 36 inches long. And there's that.
Starting point is 02:19:35 So you can get that, and that is $35. That's a deal. That's great. Bats are $35 anyway. $35, and I think it's five pounds, but it a bad bats are 35 bucks. Anyway, right. 35 bucks. And I think it's a, it's five pounds, but it doesn't say what shipping is. So that is Cesar Cedeno. Everybody.
Starting point is 02:19:50 We have a great story. Isn't it though? We've been saving the, uh, we kind of been saving that story because I thought it was good. And like I said, there's just not a ton of baseball players. Sure.
Starting point is 02:19:59 So I had to, that's a solid story though. He's a, yeah. Astros have so much shame this year. We may as well throw more at them. Yeah, you know what? Fucking cheating-ass pricks.
Starting point is 02:20:07 You know, the Astros have turned into the most hated team in baseball. Well, that's what happens when you cheat like that. Everybody always hated the Yankees, but at least we fucking played baseball to win. You can hate the Yankees all you want. At least nobody was cheating. Stealing signs and tapping it out on a garbage can. It's disgusting. Really gross.
Starting point is 02:20:24 It's sad. It's like they had a system to cheat. Imagine if you go back to the 20s. cheating stealing signs this is tapping it out on a garbage can it's disgusting really gross it's sad it's like they had a system to cheat imagine if you go back to the 20s yeah okay imagine you told babe ruth hey tell you what we're gonna do we're gonna look and then we're gonna tap on a thing you look over here and pay attention you go the fuck are you shut the fuck away from me and you go up there and smack i'm gonna point a ball to what seat and that's where it's gonna go he's gonna throw it i'm to smack the fuck out of it. All right? And then they're going to chase it.
Starting point is 02:20:46 That's how this is going to go. I don't give a shit about your tapping and your signs. Trash can lids together. Is he going to throw the ball? That's good enough for me to hit. That's all I need, assholes. Fucking jerks. It's halfing out signs like Morse code.
Starting point is 02:20:58 The fucking... Very scientific. Gross. Yeah. Screw the Astros. Take that, Astros. Fuck it. It's another baseball player player if you like that episode
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Starting point is 02:24:24 manson and the charles manson family and we're going to talk about Charles Manson and the Charles Manson family. And we're going to talk about the Heaven's Gate cult. And we're pretty much going to talk about where they mix and where they don't mix. Playing on their own little Vendee. Yeah. Obviously, there's a million different cults. But I've been really studying up on the two of them lately. And there's some very interesting similarities and some very stark differences. And i really just want to talk about those two things and do some conspiracy bullshit
Starting point is 02:24:49 and have some fun that's going to be a fun conspiracy which is worse running straight edge your whole life and still dying a stupid death yes yeah yes being a yeah heaven's gate was all fucking nerds that's the thing thing. They got it with Manson. Like, oh, yeah, these are people that are kind of pushed off to the side. These are nerds with, like, two kids and a house payment and an office manager job. Go to work, you fucking idiot. I can't wait for this. Jesus, it's going to be fun.
Starting point is 02:25:17 So check all that and everything and more. Tons of bonus stuff that you will get. All of it at patreon.com slash crime and sports and uh like we said we we put a lot into them so we hope you enjoy them and if you just want to make a regular old donation and be a nice person and get a shout out as well you can do that also over at paypal using our email address crime in sports at gmail.com that said everybody we don't have the shout outs this week normally we do like we said this is a small town murder on thursday and you'll get all the shouting you want yeah and definitely we'll
Starting point is 02:25:49 be back with the shouts next week but for right now thank you guys for everything honestly that you do and thank everybody for everything we hope you have enjoyed this show yeah and all the other damn shows right there's a whole lot more coming but that's all right just less baseball players than normal yeah keep tuning in and live from the Crime and Sports studios. We will see you next week. Bye. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Crime and Sports early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts.
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