Crime in Sports - #240 - Gagne, Columbo & Coppola - The Fortuitousness of Lenny Montana

Episode Date: January 5, 2021

This week, we explore a man with a life like almost no other. He received a Purple Heart from WWII, was a champion wrestler, all over the country, then did what any war hero, pro wrestler does... become an enforcer & bodyguard for the Columbo crime family. He particular exploits were insane, beating a murder conspiracy rap, and it all led to a lucky break, and him playing one of the most memorable parts, in "The Godfather", and more!! Valiantly help defeat Hitler, have your leg broken by Verne Gagne, and get a film role because your boss threatened a Hollywood director with Lenny Montana!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder#  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Leonardo Pasifaro. Oh oh you know who that is no no absolutely not leonardo pasifaro is that the turtle's real last name that's this maybe blue bandana this uh better known as lenny montana in his life that's his screen name and also his ring name because he's a wrestler wrestler and an actor and you know him as an actor you don't know him as a wrestler probably unless you're at least 75 80 years old because he wrestled in the 50s oh back then or unless you're like jim cornett some kind of crazy wrestling historian that knows like everybody from every era of time yeah yeah so most people though don't know this guy from wrestling they do know

him from his uh movie appearance which was one of the most famous in the history of film as we'll talk about well i'm not going to spoil it now okay if you're not some people have to like google everything and ruin the whole episode for themselves which i'm like why would you destroy the why wouldn't you just do you want to be surprised sit tight you want to be surprised put your thumbs in your pockets. I Google immediately. Why? Why would you do that? With a Chinese thumbtrap on and sit still.

It's so strange. It's like being in line at a movie theater, seeing people come out and going, tell me the ending. Tell me the ending. You're going into watching. You don't want to see it for yourself? What happened? Does he get her back?

Does he get the girl? Does he get her? No. They cut her head off. Oh, boy. Oh, my oh my that's very violent i can't wait to see that maybe i'll see something else then see then you ruin the whole thing so uh we'll talk about that though reading reviews beyond the spoiler sit tight don't do it god damn it relax so this man is born march 13th 1926 so definitely an older gentleman. Yeah.

And that's what makes this episode so interesting because we've never really talked about 50s wrestling, which is kind of funny. The man would be 94 right now. Yeah, he would be if he was alive. Maybe he is. We don't know. Stop Googling. He could be.

Is he alive? Is he not alive? Put it back in your pocket. We'll find out later on dateline he's born in brooklyn new york yeah and uh he's a big new york guinea and uh big is an understatement he grows to be and for back then this is an absolute monster of a bird back then if you were six one you were considered a giant back then. Like, oh, he's a big six-foot guy.

He's a big guy. Or you're in my world and you're still on. Yeah, but a lot of people are six foot now. Yeah, I see a lot of people ducking to get in rooms. It must be nice, motherfucker. It's still uncommon. Yeah. Because I know, I always think, like, why can't I fit anywhere?

Yeah. And why is nothing made for me size wise yeah well then i looked at i looked it up and basically six foot four and above is one percent of the population because there's no market for it that's why unless you know it's like some custom nba player shit but if you're just tall and poor you're really screwed you're really shit out of luck well there's very few of those hi yeah how you doing in the grand scheme of things nice to meet you i'll bet you the population of six four and above uh the majority of them are successful like in terms of like there is a

thing when they study pretty fucking wealthy you don't see a lot of tall homeless ever it's a weird i've never seen a man on an offer i'm sure there is but you don't see it as much tall homeless ever it's a weird thing i've never seen a man on an offer there is but you don't see it as much there is and it's a psychological when they do studies uh there is correspondence between believability and like when they have speakers come in yeah and they have them of different yeah the big guy you always believe yeah if someone's tall they go oh i believed him more is more authoritative even if he was a less good speaker than somebody else they just believed him more because they were taller it's a weird we're still like animals though that's in that way like it's just an instinct you literally look up to them and that is something in your head

it's a weird yeah it's a psychosis thing and it's and it's good because like when like if i'm doing stand-up and i'm on stage i feel pretty big you know yeah the stage is already lifted and you're big yeah so it's it's you feel you know it's pretty good meanwhile i'm now eye to eye with these people you're liking the stage yeah but this guy here for back then especially for italians that's the thing like you get your balls broken if you're a tall italian by the jesus christ what the what are you fucking half german or something like not a lot of us you know and uh he's six foot six back which is like i said unheard of a six foot six italian in the in the 19 you know 30s and 40s when he's coming up an absolute monster and he's built like a brick shithouse yeah fucking huge walking around at 300 pounds

six foot six full of rigatoni yeah just i mean fucks with that guy no this is all like and this isn't you know he's not roiding this is provolone strength he's just you know what i'm saying a lot of ricotta in those bones yeah these old guineas just you know they would lift a couple of weights and eat a bunch of food and that was that and it was all of them back then it's awesome bruno san martino who's like the he's a well i mean as a in wrestling he's a legend obviously everybody knows him and in the italian culture he's you know uh literally he would be a god like if they had candles with shit like he would be one of them like a saint he's he's him and like joe dimaggio there's a few that are

untouchable heroes no matter what they do yeah they could have killed eight people who are like yeah they don't understand though what he did for it's you know they probably had a comment i'm sure they had a comment but bruno talks about how uh after he won the wwf title back in the day in 1963 from buddy rogers that sean oliver on kayfabe commentaries asked him what well, what'd you do after the, after the match? How'd you celebrate in New York city? Cause he won at Madison square garden. You know, you're the champ.

What'd you do? He goes, well, I, um, I went through the pay phone and I called my wife. She lived well, you know, we live at my parents' house on the second floor. So I call her and tell her, well, I'm the champion. And she says, it's either the news. Everybody see mom and dad very excited so i call them on the pay phone i go to the deli um i got a rotisserie chicken and a quart of milk and i go to my hotel room and i ate it gross because that's that's how you

celebrated winning the championship by yourself court with a quart of milk and uh you know it's glass yeah clinky sets it up and i ate a whole chicken just sat there like a big hair plastic off the top of like a big animal just ripping it apart after he called his parents i devoured animal stuff yeah that's so this is different kind of lifestyle for the for you know food wise back then court is the most disgusting measurement of anything. I don't want a quart of much. I don't want a quart of booze.

I don't want a quart of milk. I don't want a quart of blood. Ice cream? Nothing a quart. Stop measuring in quarts. Which is strange because I'll eat a pint of ice cream sounds fine where you give pints of blood, which is the exact measurement of blood,

and that's fine, though, because there's chocolate in it. But I feel like a quart of blood is like a measurement for cooking or something. That's disgusting. You add a quart, like it's like a soup stock. Yeah, I got to add a quart of that to your chicken to get the flavor out. It really feels gross. It does feel gross. And every time I hear quart in a measurement, it's somebody getting a quart of vodka.

A quart of vodka? Do they sell booze in courts yeah fuck yeah is it courts i thought it was like uh i think a leaders i think a fifth is a quart uh i might be wrong okay that might be a little bit gross yeah yeah a quart sounds like there's like a there's like a fart undertone the court it's the rt it's the rt measurement that makes it gross i think you know what i mean it's like a fart undertone to court. You know what I'm saying? It's the RT. It's the RT measurement that makes it gross, I think. Quart. You know what I mean? It's like there's a definite farty nature to it. Whereas a pint sounds cute.

A pint sounds like, as you say pint, you almost lift your hand up in a cheers and salute. You know, like a pint. Whereas you got court. You gotta lift your leg. Court. I don't want to burn it right into the chair. You know what I mean? It's gross. It's pretty gross. It's a v vile word it's gross so uh he's a big guy old old

lenny my lenny pasifaro here and now he goes into world war ii as all the guys did back then he's the same age i want to say he's born the same year as my as uh one of my grandfathers that was in world war ii and you know guinea from back then too so it's that era these guys are i know these guys they're made of something different these old guineas like this they're just like they just do things and like i don't know i went to war for a couple years like they don't there's that does shit doesn't affect them it's very strange did world war ii go years but i mean, 41 was when we got in, right? Yeah, 45.

45 is right. So he was probably pretty close to the end of it, right, when he went in? Yeah, probably 44 or something like that. But I mean, big son of a bitch, this guy going into the... He ends up being a sergeant in the airborne unit in World War II. So that's... He does some shit. Like, that's airborne sergeant of whatever the fucking world

war ii he's doing some things uh you know some crazy shit that we wouldn't want to do yeah now like jumping out of planes or something that's way beyond my realm of of yeah of fucking normal well i mean either you're either fighting nazis or you were in the jungles basically in world war ii those were your two options so you know or you were like on a boat to get blown up nothing was good back then so the trifecta of fuck you it's pretty shitty yeah or you get to be in a plane that could very well be shot down a hat trick and no yeah about none of that shit yeah and that's just what i mean my grandfathers are in world war ii there was no like that's just what you did everybody from that age was in world war ii so he did that he was wounded five times five five times this big son of a bitch didn't get out once that just kept going back he didn't mind going back they kept sending

him back yeah wounded five times has a bronze star and a purple heart sure so he's heart means he took fire and rescued someone right yes i believe so under the valor thing yeah yeah so yeah he's a bronze star it says bronze star with clusters i don't know if that matters or what that is that's a star but then it has like some clusters around i don't know if that's extra i don't know see we don't we're not we apologize i don't know if you just get a bronze star or if you do something else to get the clusters yeah that's what i mean i mean. I don't mean to be disrespectful, too, because I'm sure it's wounded for Christ's sake. Both of them sound pretty valiant to me. And a purple heart, which seems to be.

That's a big deal. That's a big deal in World War II. So this guy's a pretty ballsy guy. We'll say he's probably brave, I would say. I would say so. Five times, if you keep going back, you're pretty brave. Now, before he got into the service, he wrestled a bit in high school um just i mean jesus christ imagine having to wrestle that guy back then in the 30s nobody was that big don't lose they're probably like what the fuck is this i mean as

for him that's an that's an easy choice yeah there's no way anybody's gonna be and wait till you see like i'll show you later on there's i found a couple pictures in the paper because when i'm looking through old newspapers from the 50s there's some funny shit that pops up there's this picture of this golden gloves boxing team and you're like really like that's that's not a bet those men none of them look like they could fight at all they all look like pussies so it's very weird uh he also golden glove sounds fucking impressive it is and it is impressive it is uh because amateur boxers right because you're it's your your the competition that you're fighting but you only have to win i think it's three three matches to get a golden gloves title it's pretty

good though it's pretty good three matches that matter right yeah you have to build your way up and all the region matches through the tournament exactly to win it but to get to that tournament yeah it's pretty tough it's a lot uh he fought in the golden gloves as well did lenny so he can wrestle he can fight and he's he'll go you know back into yeah fired for get to get a purple heart so tough son of a bitch he's a big tough son of a bitch that you probably wouldn't want to cross i'd imagine but it's not the guy you'd want to tangle with back then is what i'm getting at he's you know not a lot of like jujitsu champions walking around back then this is guys about as tough a big son of a bitch as you're gonna get that's the american that everybody wants to imagine they are exactly and about 30

percent of us are 30 and that's probably at best 30 i mean if you get the fuck out of here it was like four percent i mean of the whole country 30 maybe you're willing to do that shit you don't think so in terms of like i don't think 30 of the country's willing to get punched in the face once you might be right in golden like that would be the end of it right there then 10 and then we whittle away as we go down further into fighting nazis james it might be three percent it might that's what i mean i think we're getting we're really whittling away yeah up to what people are willing to do there's probably more billionaires in this country than are willing to do that people that are willing to get punched in the face and then fight nazis probably nowadays yeah probably so i think

you're right so he apparently couldn't get golden gloves he had a problem because they couldn't find him opponents yeah it'd be tough to find somebody that's six four and willing to fight and it's that big he was so big that i mean in the weight class it would be heavyweight but he's outweighing a heavyweight by a hundred pounds and he's got four inches on him and the guy's like i'm not fucking fighting that guy he's a monster so they kind of had a hard time so he ended up going in the service instead yeah which makes sense uh after the service he kind of kind of kicks around for a little bit tries to figure out what to do yeah it's you know after the war as a lot of guys did there was you know they'd come back and now what whoa that's a big change and they would figure it out and you

know whatever and uh he ends up turning to wrestling okay that's that's his uh somebody sees him and they're like jesus christ look at the size of this fucking guy. Yeah. And, you know, it's an obvious choice. He's a monster. Yeah. And he looks, he's impressive. For back then, the guys weren't that big. And he probably is turned into a psychopath from all that war.

You know, he's tough. Yeah. So, I mean, they say, you know, you fall down, you got to fall down, take a bump, and whatever. I've been wounded five times. I've been punched in the face a lot. I'm good. I took five Nazi bullets. Yeah. I mean, like like i could do that so many times why not so he ends up uh he ends up kind of coming up the ranks a little bit and uh he jesus christ he he has several gimmicks we'll talk about he starts out using mainly the zebra kid as his gimmick okay okay as we'll talk about at this

time there are several zebra kids so yeah back then people used to because there's no internet and there's no wrestling as territorial as territorial so whatever's happening in florida they don't know about in new york or and you know vice versa if it's happening in ohio nobody in maryland knows it's happening they don't know who that guy is. So what they would do a lot of times is kind of you'd have a rivalry with a guy. You'd go to the Midwest somewhere. Chicago, you'd fight that for a while. And then you'd leave, and you guys would both go somewhere else and do the exact same thing all over again everywhere you went because no one knew you just did it somewhere else.

It's not like now where they could look it up on the internet and magazines it was just local newspapers would tell you stuff and a couple of you know wrestling magazines that were really primitive and shit like that so you could get away with shit like that the gimmick with the zebra kid just like a zebra he's got a mask okay with zebra a zebra mask god and he's the zebra kid and there's several zebra kids and then there's a super zebra kid and then there's zebra kids one and two oh my word so it gets it's a lot so i'm going to show you several pictures here today jimmy uh here's one this is 1950 and this is a man he's fighting oh he's got a face like gary coleman he looks like a giant infant he does he looks like what is that

if you made an infant and like blew him up with a big like inflated him and put hair on his chest and made him drink a shitload of alcohol so much hair too no hairy chest good lord it says let me at that bum at the top that's not a passaparo by the way this is two ton tony galento who's uh yeah not two two tons, but all right. No, apparently he's fighting the Zebra Kid. He's like one of these. His story is he's a bartender turned boxer and wrestler. He's a tough guy.

His face is terrible. Yeah, he is here. And here's the ad for it at the Armory. An 830 two-ton Tony Galento versus the Zebra Kid. And you got Tom Marshall versus Dix versus the Zebra Kid. Jesus. Then you got Tom Marshall versus Dixie Dusick. Oh. Yeah, and then, ooh, look at that.

Hope he beats her up good. I mean, what the fuck? Dixie, why would you pick that as a dude? This fucker. What is that? That is the Swedish Angel. Okay. He was like a monster kind of thing.

He looks like the Bat Boy from the National Enquirer. He does. He looks just like him in the face. I think that's what they modeled him off of. Wild. I think he was like before Tor Johnson. I think he was a Halloween mask as well, if I'm not mistaken here. And then he got, oh, Jesus, these tag matches.

Oh, gorgeous Georges on this card. Really? Holy shit, 1952. He's still going by using a last name and shit here. Tickets are $1 or $1.50 for the good seats here. Seems like a deal. That sounds awesome. I go see that.

That sounds great. I found one from 1950, and the title here in the newspaper is Extra Guards for Wrestling Bout. Back then, the crowd in the South, this lasted into the 80s, where the crowds would actually be violent. They took it personal. And took it serious and personal and, yeah, would stab people and shit over it. It was insane. So here it says the Zebra Kid, they're saying he's a 360-pound wrestling ruffian.

He's going about 320, but wrestling, they always inflate everything. If he's 6'6", he's 6'8". What can wrestling they always inflate everything yeah if he's six six he's six eight yeah you know what are they gonna weigh me that's what i mean crowd will buy andre the giant seven four 550 pounds like he wasn't seven four but you know that's fine you could say whatever you want yeah so uh yeah they said that apparently he um where is this from california pomona californ California here. They were once regarded as the threatening menace to wrestling, appeared at the Pomona Valley Arena. He returns to action here Saturday night, and it says, quote, the grotesque mask giant is scheduled to meet Don Carlos Rodriguez,

Mexican champion, in the final three-fall match of the marathon length card. Oh, boy. Sounds great. Yeah. They said it's been more than 21 months since his last appearance uh it is recalled that during the local ring rain the zebra kid met and defeated all comers he wrestled in his striped hood until texas police authorities told him to unmask or leave the state storyline bullshit awesome yeah it's a good storyline this

is great yeah it's this way these old storylines are fucking hilarious man and it's in the newspaper you'd buy it oh yeah that's that's yeah you had a friendly newspaper guy they plant this shit uh they asserted that zebra style and mask invited mob violence that's what they're saying so the promoter while confident nothing like that would happen will have the ringside posted with extra guards when he comes in that's they're making a big deal you're gonna want to kill this guy he's such an asshole which is uh really fucking funny so yeah there we got that uh what else 1950 here oh he fights uh what the hell who is this fighting i don't know who this is this is zebra kid and oh a tag team wrestling i guess torres and rodriguez versus um the zebra kid and uh ivan the terrible okay they're both over 300 pounds and this is our guy this is our guy here

yeah uh special here halloween ticket offer yeah ringside reserve seat with this pass dollar 25 and 65 cents for the past so you could get in for 65 cents. Regular 125. Oh, what is usually 125? Only 65 cents a night. Awesome. You can see this. That is awesome. I want to go there. So back in, also in this newspaper,

right above this ad was this, which I'd really like you to explain. Our big 4A. What? There he is. I don't know what the 4A means. I i mean it says 4a in like quotations i wonder if there if that was the measure of beaver back because the beaver is measured in x's so if you get a 4x beaver hat that's that's a little better than uh than uh just a regular x beaver hat what the

fuck are you talking about the quality of the beaver i don't know if 4a is the measurement that they had back then our big 4a dick maybe the dick is the type of the hat it's a cartoon of a man dressed in full cowboy regalia with a head that's like what twice the size of a normal head it's ridiculous he's a caricature he's got a smirk on his face that two thumbs up it's very strange i don't know what this ad but that's all it was there's no explanation so someone must know what this ad, but that's all it was. There's no explanation. Nothing. So someone must know what this means. In the 50s, our big 4A dick meant something. With this cartoon guy.

I'll post it online and you guys, somebody can explain it. The head being that big tells me that it has something to do with that hat. It's something to do with hats. That's right. That's why I went with 4A being the better quality of beaver. But this is the whole ad. There's no like, go to the store, say this. I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this information that this is a big foray dick i don't know he's got a big

foray dick that one look at him so uh oh boy 1951 here he's in california this headline zebra kid at the garden now this is a different zebra kid really this is that's what i mean there's other zebra kids this is a guy named george bolus and this is in new york at the garden no no this is actually in california in 1951 yes some other garden okay um yeah valley garden arena this is so yeah local paper so i dig deep jimmy this isn't just the new york times i'm going to garden i'm literally going to like some pomona local paper from 1951 to find this not madison square pomona garden pomona garden so some of these you don't know if it's him or not i try to get it by the weight if they say he's a big over 300 pounder i'm like that's probably our guy gotta be since yeah there's just not a lot of guys that size back then so

he uh yeah here he is here now he's the super zebra kid okay at one point there's a cape on it i guess he's a super zebra kid i don't know um yeah but i don't know what's going on here second match darnell was paired with dutch nature boy road oh so then you had that's like almost like dutch dusty and nature boy yeah in the same everybody nature boy is like one of the oldest wrestling is it really yeah nature boy is like one of the oldest wrestling. Is it really? Yeah, Nature Boy is like sugar and boxing. That is such a cool...

It's weird. It's great. I love it so much. It sounds like you're wandering around outside nude to me, which is what Ric Flair does, so it makes sense. He owns it then. He does.

But it's just a great name. There's so many Nature Boys. It's like Dynamite Kid. Yeah. Two great words together. Those are good, yeah. They called Tyson that for a while. That's what I mean, yeah. And then, obviously, the Dynamite Kid is a great wrestler. I wish he didn't stop that. No. It's like Dynamite Kid. Yeah. Two great words together. Those are good. Yeah. They called Tyson that for a while.

That's what I mean. Yeah. And then he, obviously the Dynamite Kid. I wish he didn't stop that. No. That's amazing. Once he's not a kid anymore. That's a good point.

The Dynamite Man. I don't know. Sounds weirder. 50 something year old Mike. I'd still call him Dynamite Kid. Dynamite Kid. Kid Dynamite? Kid Dynamite, right?

Yeah. Kid Dynamite is what they said. Dynamite Kid. We're thinking the wrestler. So yeah, this was a Nature Boy. And then there's Nature Boy, Buddy buddy Rogers who made it like really famous. And then obviously in brick flare, buddy Landell,

there's been a fucking a hundred nature boys out there. So yeah, there's that on this. And, uh, it was this bowl. Make his, what is this?

Oh, Billy Darnell, local idol will make his third attempt to figure in a victory over the super zebra kid. He's defeated. Apparently he's our chance to win one can't beat him uh who else i love some of these names back there so in his first couple years apparently he didn't wrestle that much in 1950 but in 1951 he really kind of yeah he really kind of gets going on march 26 1951 he loses his mask oh no to dutch road oh dutch nature boy road and road is r-o-h-d-e by the way that's awful very

strange and he's probably dutch road he's probably got dutch yeah back then so anyway he loses his mask in a you know they have mask matches and guys would do that a villain would come in with a mask have a big you know rivalry for a while with the local whatever and then the guy would win in the end the other local hero would win unmask him and then he would leave and go to another territory with the mask and do it all over again so that's kind of how feuds ended back then you take the mask off mask off for in the south it was uh hair matches were a big thing what hair versus hair like you cut somebody's hair the loser gets their head. I don't know why that was such a big deal, but in the South, that was the stipulation. That's the thing, man.

You had a blood rivalry in the end. We'll figure out who's getting a haircut, buddy. It wasn't... What a strange way to settle it, right? I'm so glad my hair is not my personality. Right? That's a strange way to settle it. What a terrible way to live a life.

It's just like... Where if somebody shaves your head, you're now a different person? Well, it's the look you lost. Yeah, I get it. Everybody like if somebody shaves your head you're now a different person well it's it's that look you lost yeah now everybody can see you lost by your head you know what i mean it's like the scarlet letter almost i don't understand why it would matter so much samson of them right now i have no power useless useless they did it i mean that was the big deal back then was the hair matches silly so he's going by zebra kid he's also going by lenny montana which uh montana in italian means uh mountain big blue sky that's right it means mountain is that right yeah so he's lenny the mountain because he's a fucking giant yeah so

that makes sense i guess i could see mountain in montana Yeah. So they're going, what, really? It's probably Spanish, too. I'm not sure. But it's probably a similar thing. So anyway. And also he goes as Bull Montana at some points. Lenny Montana. He's in a bunch of different. This is when the territories were just forming. So a lot of these territories kind of just formed.

And then because the NWA started in, I think, 48, 47 was the first meeting. Yeah, it was the NWA, which is kind of a big sanctioning body, quote unquote. And then all little territories go from there. And between now and 1960, the territories start. They die. Someone takes them over. They change the name. So they change a lot.

And then once kind of 1960 comes around, you kind of have your kind of locked in territories where the you know vergnaglia is going to run minnesota till it dies and the ghoulishes are going to run this territory till it dies and the fullers are going to run here and all the different territories are going to be run by the von erickson texas and but this is kind of when all these things are cementing did minnesota have that much of a wrestling culture absolutely really yeah vergnaglia was like town to town well yeah vergnagna was a like high school and college wrestling in the midwest is very popular amateur wrestling is a big deal back there and uh vergnagna was a huge amateur wrestler big star uh you know like aau champion national champion at the university of minnesota and and then he was on the olympic team as well so

that made him you know in the newspaper big and then he was a career forever drafted by the green bay packers to play football as well was a marine corps world war ii guy so i mean he was like mr mid-america tough man yeah and so yeah he went around and became a big star went out and became a big star all over the country for a few years to where he was like a national star. Right. And then he, because it was on national television for a few years there.

Yeah. And then he took that and brought it back to Minnesota. And just stayed. Bought out the territory there, made it the AWA, and that's homesteaded it. Fascinating.

And that's what the guys used to do back then. In the 50s, this is when all the bosses of the 60 60s 70s and 80s this is when they were still wrestling most of them and this is when they were becoming big stars they could buy their territory you're going to get fritz von eric's a big star at this point that in texas because it's a big fucking state you go from el paso to austin and everything's different corpus christi there's so many towns in texas minnesota to work that that was really working because they would do in the winter time which is when it was popular because indoor sports

are popular in the winter um so there they would have like they'd go from minnesota they'd go to like north dakota okay winnipeg got it that was their just in that general chicago all that then they spread out to denver salt lake city san francisco they kind of made it they're just doing minnesota that seems exhausting yeah no it feels like you'd be wisconsin find the bottom of that pit yeah but i mean you're just doing all these little towns a lot all midwest yeah because it wasn't just cities they did all these little towns every night oh good god if you don't know when crystal pepsi was discontinued what was in al capone's vault or which famous meteorologist is lenny kravitz's second cousin then you haven't know when Crystal Pepsi was discontinued, what was in Al Capone's vault, or which famous meteorologist is Lenny Kravitz's second cousin, then you haven't spent enough time on Wikipedia.

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and this is where I think possibly because we're going to get in, he's going to be in the mafia. Yeah. Our guy here. He's going to be in the mafia, like actual mafia here. And I think this is probably where he might have been introduced to. I mean, he grew up in Brooklyn, so it could have been

any time. But in 1952 here,'s in the northeast or he's all around but he he ends up uh having a feud with antonino raca antonino raca is an argentinian guy but he's an italian argentina has the second most italians yes i remember you saying it on earth besides, besides Italy. So a lot of us went there. So he's a big star with the Italians in the Northeast. He hangs out with Bruno San Martino. He's one of his buddies. Okay. And Antonino Rocca, as a matter of fact, also knew a lot of mob guys.

He was buddies with all those fucking guys. Like in all the books I'll read, especially about Carmine Persico, he's around a lot like these guys hanging out and going to the nightclubs after the matches and all that kind of thing all new them it's a good call to have somebody that big and and yeah as an enforcer or just as a dude to be around just hang out with them because they're like a famous guy and that you know the they like hanging out with gangsters because there's you know good looking women around

and the best food and everybody treats you nice and There's very little money that has to be paid. They like each other. So gangsters and wrestlers all back then were very... Mutually beneficial. They loved each other. Yeah, absolutely. So he loses his mask to Antonino Rocca in 1952. And then the next month, loses it to him again.

Oh! So they did that, went somewhere else then, and lost the mask again. So as long as it was far enough away so the did that went somewhere else then and lost the mask again so as long as it was far enough away so the newspaper doesn't cross you're fine that's how you could just do it fucking three towns over what a job isn't that wild unbelievable it's oh but what a job who else would go say something stand up in front of people say something just happened to them and then go to the next town the next night and say the same fucking story and say it just happened to them there. You're not going to believe this.

And expect, yeah. Who else would do that? I wonder. What a weird job. What a weird job. That's what I mean. Every time we do a wrestling episode, it comes up, but it's fucking comedy. It's so weird.

Every headliner coming through going, I got a story. What's the shit part of town? Yep. Hey, what's the part of town everyone makes fun of here? Yeah, that's it. Apache Junction. Okay. And then they fucking.

Got it. Got it. Like the Indians? That's weird. And then they say the joke and they're going to laugh and they go, thanks. That's right. I did your job for you. You're welcome.

Yeah. Nice research. You could have just Googled it. Yeah. No shit. Every town's probably got that right where you could just google where's the bad part of phoenix and it'll tell you it'll tell you but i guess you want to know what the actual because culturally there's always a punch line that you

don't know about you know so it's good to know the cultural punch line of your town local joke what's the worst jokes so uh here i found an ad from 1952 from birmingham alabama where he is wrestling luth thez who luth who luth luth thez oh luth thez is the amazing he's the christ i mean he's a name he's a fucking god in wrestling he's uh the most probably the most respected wrestler of all time like on the mat by everybody he was a real tough guy like a real wrestler that could fucking twist you into pretzels a beautiful name he was a champ forever and he kind of really held the wrestling business kind of on he was the nationally famous okay you know the wrestling champion that everybody would know about he's the tom brady of wrestling if your

kids are wrestling you go what do you think you're l You're Luthez over here? Calm down. He's that guy. He's the Pele. Yeah, he's fucking amazing and really just known as a tough son of a bitch and a real sturdy guy. So yeah, he's fighting the Zebra Kid. And then Joe Corbett's fighting Baby Blimp. That's a great name. Charlie Keene fights Prince Omar, which imagine how racist that was in 1952 in alabama

holy shit he probably had a giant turban yeah fucking harem of women walking him in with a robe that's really long very racist i'm sure terrible gold and blue oh yeah man i can't even imagine that big puffy pants yeah so uh zebra, yeah, he's fighting Luthez. I think it's for the title, too. Really? He hears him fighting Primo Carnera as well, who was a boxer, I think, before that. Primo Carnera. I know he's a mob guy.

He had some mix-up with the mob, not in the mob, but I think he had like, they either forced him to take payoffs or forced him to take a dive and shit like that. I can't remember the exact another great name. Another great name. A lot of good Italian names in this. Now, 1953, I find he's in Hawaii over there. Like I said, six for a bad guy like this, six months in a territory and you're out and you go to the next territory. So he's in 1953.

He's in Honolulu here fighting sandar sabzo uh wow okay and apparently he's they're they're touting the return of one of the great matt veterans when sandar sasbo whose professional career dates back to the early 30s in other words he's an old fart at this point tangles with a powerful youngster the zebra kid so oh no this isn't in hawaii this is in la this is wrestling from hollywood it's just on television in hawaii oh that's cool you can watch it here that's right because i also got from right below that i got the hawaiian television schedule for june the tv guide the dv guide for yeah what it is here for june 20th 1953 oh my this is the schedule here can i guess there's got to be a gilligan's island on right uh 1953 that was 1967

i think that's that late yeah it was in color jimmy 1953 it was in black and white for the beginning of it then it went to color 1953 is there's barely tv okay 1953 is like it's on the cusp yeah everybody wants a tv but still not everybody has a tv yeah and uh and stand didn't start till the 60s either right i know not till the 60s but this is like when basically only like cities had people in cities had tv because there was no way to get tv to the rural areas yet nothing milton burrell basically for one show a week but it was like that's amazing yeah it's beaming this fucking thing in of entertainment into my house that's crazy and new stuff kept coming out too like they kept building on it from the late 40s after the war really should started picking up pretty quickly

and yeah you know everybody wanted tvs but they were just very expensive so let's see here this is channel 9 kgmb tv in honolulu here uh from one o'clock to 1 30 will be a test pattern so looking for that that's going to be good look for the colors yeah 1 30 uh kukla fran is on Kukla comp, so Fran Kukla is on. Okay. I don't know who that is. And Ali is 1.45. I don't know. 2 o'clock to, whoa, 2 o'clock to 2.45 or 2 o'clock to 3 is see yourself on television at the 49th State Fair.

So they just, like, put on a camera and you can walk by it? For a fucking hour, they just film the State a camera you can walk by a fucking hour they just film the state fair and you can see yourself there that's wild that's what this is what tv was three o'clock to 3 30 is candid camera which that's how old fucking candid camera is it's literally one of the first shows that was on television who was that steve allen i don't even think it was him 53 because i don't think steve allen was on tv till the tonight show in like 55 or some shit 56 who the hell would have done that i don't know who can't a camera that early that who knows martin meadows yeah it's uh 3 30 industry parade 3 45 to 4 o'clock filipino i don't know what there he is

there he is that's our guy he's just waving hi for how long 15 minutes of Filipino oh no Filipino tv show that's what it says so they're just going to air a Filipino tv show we don't even name it there's probably Filipinos in Hawaii I would assume so I don't know um 415 though bon bon birthday party with sheriff tuki that's what's on there and then the six gun theater also with sheriff toki they're showing quote under arizona skies oh yeah 5 30 to 6 meet me at the zoo okay with sheriff toki with sheriff toki come to the zoo sheriff he's the busiest man in showbiz he's got a lot going on over there uh six o'clock uh bitty boxing what the fuck is that wow is that old ladies b-i-d-d-y boxing that sounds like children sounds like old women

beating these old bitties beating the shit out of each other are they fighting over yarn the hell they fighting i want to watch i do too um and it's from the 49th state Fair. So that's something to watch there. And then 630, we have Lily Palmer, 645 Bob Considine, and then what is this? 7 o'clock to 730 Tootsie Hippodrome. That sounds awful. 730 to 8, beat the clock with Bud Collier. Okay. But this was free. That's incredible.

You just get it out of the air. All you're going to have is a TV. Which was very expensive. 8 o'clock to 8.30, Ted Mack's Amateur Hour. I don't know, that's probably porn, I would imagine,

back then. Yeah, 8.30, PFAFF Play of the Week, Mr. and Mrs. Trouble. I guess it's a play, not a sports play. Then Man Against Crime

with Ralph Bellamy. Ralph Bellamy. No. Ralph Bellamy's a, healph bellamy was in shit no not bill bellamy no that's what you're thinking about ralph bellamy wasn't he is he um obviously before bill but he's one of the guys was he funny he's in ralph bellamy was in stuff in the 80s as an old man. Shall I Google? Google. I'll give it a run. Is he one of the guys? No. He's not one of the. Is he the other guy in trading places?

Oh, you might be right. One of Randolph or Mortimer, not the skinny guy. The other one. Is that Ralph Bellamy? Maybe. The picture of him just looks like fucking from the 50s. That's not fair. Yeah, that's not.

Those bastards. Why would they do that? I don't know. That might be. I could see that. Yeah, that's not fair. Those bastards. Why would they do that? I don't know. That might be. I could see that. That could be him. It is. It is him.

Okay, I knew I knew that fucking name. Think about that. It's Mortimer's brother. There you go. Yeah. There you go, Randolph. Yeah. There you go.

That's wild. Isn't that weird? James, look at his face difference. Yeah. Man, age will fuck you up. It'll ravage you. Especially, everybody drank whiskey and smoked four packs a day back then. He was man and it all fell apart just 30 years later done it's like 30 years later with trading places yeah and then 9 30 ringside with the rasslers oh r-a-s-s-l-e-r-s

with leo garibaldi who's a famous name versus billy mcdaniels and then 10 30 the big picture and then in parentheses u.s army just an army movie and then signing off at 11 so that's a day of television if you how crazy is that that that's it was on sit up until the television stopped i don't know when you get a test pattern you get a test pattern until 1 30 a.m that's it that's wild it's crazy i used to do that when i was a kid get up so early that i'd miss there'll be nothing on yet i remember that in the 40s i saw this old after watching this on amazon prime they have like all these like old industry films from like the 40s and 50s like the old ephemeral films and i found ones that are like about the beginning of television yeah and it's like one's a film

going to servicemen overseas that aren't even home from the war yet and they're like with the war winding down you're gonna be looking for jobs well the television industry is a great place for jobs there'll be a ton of jobs selling televisions and doing all these things with television and they go to the uh the guy who's running cbs at the. And he goes, right now, we run four hours a day of programming, or four hours a week of programming we make. Four hours. It was like 1946. And he goes, I mean, if we even made that four hours a day for seven days,

that would employ so many more people. That's how much TV that was on, none. Great foresight, sir. Yeah. No shit. Here's a card I found that he is on zebra kid versus juan hernandez same card as warren bockwinkle who if you're a wrestling fan you know nick bockwinkle that's his dad so i thought that was kind of fucking cool and there's an explanation of the one match here swaggering brother frank jararez, the Mormon butcher from Provo, Utah.

That's all I need to know. Trying to toughen up Mormons? Yeah, the Mormon butcher. Okay. Is that really? Okay. No such thing. This is in the same newspaper, in the same page, with the Baltimore cults naming themselves the Baltimore cults. That's how long ago this was.

Baltimore grids named cults. That's what it says here. Once again, it will be the Baltimore cults in That's how long ago this was. Baltimore grids named cults. That's what it says here. Once again, it will be the Baltimore cults in the National Football League. The new Baltimore entry announced last night that it will use that nickname, the same used by the former Baltimore team that bowed out of the league in 1951. They bowed out of the league? Yeah, they were gone, and then they came back again, and they used the cults again. I didn't realize that a team in the league had folded like that.

Oh, that happened to shitload in the quarter. Really? They look up NFL nfl teams and how they're oh i can't wait to see how it works because baltimore during the war teams folded teams combined the eagles and steelers were the steagals for a couple years that's awful because they didn't have enough players literally they were the poor baltimore man they've gotten fucked over so many times yeah they really have they really have october 8th 1953 this is a big day for lenny here he wins the nwa central states heavyweight championship oh so this is he's the champion of that territory of the central states territory there so that's a big fucking deal that makes you now every all the promoters are oh hey your paydays are going to be bigger now they know who you are and they know you can handle a big spot you got a career you got a career he holds the title for 63 days well that's a long time long time and uh this by the way i

mean back then he was a he came in and was successful right away like he didn't have because he's so fucking big that's just they can't get over that as he's such a different guy Because he's so fucking big. I can't get over that as he's such a different guy back then. He's just considered a monster. He would be like if Vader came in when he came in. That's the same type of size that he was. Here he is, 1953.

He beats, what the hell is that? Belargeron. I don't know who the hell that is. What? I don't know. They have him listed. Oh, Jean Belajaran. Okay. From Quebec.

He beats him in a two out of three falls match here. Oh, my God. Who else is on this card? Cripple. Oh, he's from Cripple Creek. Okay. Colorado. Yeah.

Frank Buffalo. Bill Murdoch. Yeah. Oh, it's fucking Bill Murdoch. Yeah. Holy shit. From Waxahachie, Texas. It's fucking wild. Bill. Oh, my God. It's Bill Wax yeah holy shit from waxahachie texas it's fucking

wild bill murdoch oh my god it's bill waxahachie waxahachie texas that's wild bill murdoch bill murdoch is a fucking wrestling legend again he's a big deal james this is like he has to be just starting out he's buffalo bill murdoch which i never heard him yeah called that before at two he's frank buffalo bill murdoch so he's not even going by but if you're from texas you better you better take a cowboy name is it his brother maybe something i'm not even sure he's a murdoch's crazy guy known as a wild fun guy and everything but also super racist and hung out with klansmen dusty roads told the story when they were tag team partners of him dick murdoch drove him in his truck out to somewhere they showed up and he goes the hell's going on a bunch of people in clan

outfits and it's a goddamn clan rally he's like oh we're gonna hang out with these guys they're good guys and he goes the fucking dusty roads i can't be in a goddamn clan rally what the fuck are you doing man get me the fuck out of here i can't be seen here give me the fuck out of here i don't want to hang out with these people uh and so sorry and drove him out of there wow never assume that people will do that never assume someone wants to hang out with clansmen usually so very very strange thing yes exactly so 1955 he's wrestling as the masked gentleman geek okay okay uh he loses his mask at 55 on may 5th to Bobo Brazil, who's a fucking legend. He's one of the kind of the first black superstar of that lasted for decades and everything. There was a bunch more guys back then, but he was the first guy.

He was a real big guy. And everybody liked Bobo Brazil. This is in the same newspaper as an article talking about, quote, Mickey Mouse Club Daily Children's Show to open this week. So this is the opening of the Mickey Mouse Club. Wow. And it says, quote, A new Walt Disney production, the Mickey Mouse Club, will open tomorrow at 5 o'clock.

How hilarious is that? You're going to want to be in that. Yep. And so there's that. And he's wrestling all through here as Bull Montana, Lenny Montana, Zebra Kid. and uh so there's that and uh he's wrestling and all through here as bull montana lenny montana zebra kid he also wrestles under lenny the bull montana and chief chickawicky oh boy yes chief chickawicky an indian gimmick wow now this is where we kind of have to talk about italians were the automatic indians closest every that's who played indians in movies that's who played

any the native american roles went to italian people back then that's wild it's very strange um he plays an indian chief wrestler uh the crying guy in the ad in the 70s the garbage that's an italian guy really is not fucking indian He's an Italian man. Paulo. Okay, yeah. He's a Chief J. Strongbow. Yeah. Jack Scarpa. He's an Italian guy from fucking Philly. Not him.

It's just a, I don't know what, and it's a, they're always, that was a big thing back then. Remember, you're not going to remember this. Do you know who Lou Monte is by any chance? Jesus, no. Do you know Dominic the Italian Christmas Donkey? That sounds familiar. The Italian Christmas Donkey. What is that from?

It's a fucking Christmas song, Joey. Oh, really? Hee-haw, hee-haw, the Italian Christmas Donkey. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la. You don't know fucking Dominic? That's awful. What? I am so upset right now.

You're upset. You're upset. I'm upset upset this is my fucking whole this is what i was brought up on fucking stupid dominic goddamn donkey we're gonna fucking talk about why did they do that to you is that just a traditional thing it's what it was it's an italian guy lumonti and he's that's he was like, he sings, there's no other Italian Christmas song, so that was for the Italian kids. You had to make your own about a donkey. We made our own everything. That's the thing we're going to talk about here, is we just, we had to make our own because

we're our own thing. So anyway, we have- The Italian Christmas donkey. That's not an East Coast thing? No. It's everywhere? The Italian Christmas donkey. It might just be a New York thing, James. Is it a New York thing? It might be east coast thing it's everywhere italian christmas dog might just be a new york thing jay is it a new york thing no it's a guinea thing maybe so

that's another point too i didn't grow up around anybody italian when i did they were like ashamed of it that's the thing that's what happens you guys everybody fucking we're supposed to be fucking ashamed it's ridiculous it's not fucking fair my friend marco the guy said he used to get made fun of because he would say adidas sneakers and we just laugh and laugh well that's not really that's not that's not no more where you're from that's regional but you don't know but he was just a new york italian kid and he talked funny so we made fun of him thanks so he probably sang that but he didn't do it in school because he definitely made fun of pepino the italian mouse no i'm either is this all things for real yeah pepino the italian mouse did you guys like sing this before you had turkey or whatever? Hold on. At your steaks? Again.

What? What? You don't know this? No. What? No. What? I. What? I don't know how much I can legally play here.

It's less than that. It's fine, I'm sure. That is hilarious. Dominic Stutz? No. Okay. I don't know that, but I do know Grandma Got Run Over by a Reindeer. I apologize deeply.

Yeah, that's the hillbilly version of that. Yes. For my... So you probably don't know about... You definitely don't know the Mr. Columbus, Turn of the Ship Around. You don't know that song. No. Okay, that's one of the ones where I'm saying it's the Indian thing comes into play here.

There's a point to this where I was going... You're laughing so hard your glasses are fogged up. They really are. I love that shit. That's hilarious. Oh, I don't know if I'm happy for you to have something that's your own or if i'm just like terrified that that's a real song it is uh well this one it was uh the song is basically it's um you know columbus is coming over it's built it's in the 40s we know columbus whatever but this is

the 40s it's just you know what they taught you columbus came over discovered america or whatever so it's about columbus coming over and a guy on his ship who is up in the crow's nest named luigi who wants to go back to italy and doesn't like it there and it's they talk about something he goes please mr columbus turn of the ship around yeah i want to feel my two feet on the ground why'd you tell isabella that the world is round please mr columbus to turn the ship around okay yeah and then that's the verse and then the next verse is they were hanging out they drank they drank up all the wine or they ate the provolone and drank up all the wine that's literally lyrics luigi still wants to go back right then the next verse is they spot land

and they see the indians and the the Indians say something and the Italian guy now yells something in Italian to them and he goes, hey, look at this. It's great. And then that verse is, I don't want to go back.

This is great. I'm going to stay here. I want to stay here a little long. I'm going to make the chief my father-in-law. I don't want to turn around. I don't want to go, there's paisanos all around.

And that's the end of the song is there's paisanos all around is the guy's the end of the song, is there's paisanos all around. The guy thinks that everybody here is Italian when he lands. He thinks all the Indians are Italian, so he's thrilled and he wants to be here. It's a new country. Yeah. He was like, hey, never mind. This isn't so bad.

Hey, all right. Please, Mr. Columbus, turn the ship around. Anyway, yeah. That's amazing. This is what we know as children. This is what we're brought up with. That's a much better song. It's a fucking different culture.

Don't lump us together with other fucking people, please. You don't know any of this. They got their own thing. It's our own thing. We're like 5.5% of the population. We're a very small percentage of the population, and we have to stick together with this shit, and that's what it is.

Keep singing your songs. This is what we had as kids. Donpito and yeah pepino pepino the italian mouse what the fuck i don't know i wish that was what ratatouille was pepino the italian mouse yeah that's a much cooler mouse it's you you son you eat my cheese you even drink my wine pepino the italian mouse you get me every time it's that's the song it's the italian if you give a mouse a cookie yeah and it's half in italian lumonti's half his lyrics are in italian too so that's people love this shit yeah it sounds great lou is lou's a great man i love lumonti just old fucking when

he died hey i don't know a while ago you want to see his face i do is how italian is he there he is he looks like the fucking lumonti he looks like um uh what's the race car driver uh and marionetti no it's not marette. Marinera. Yes, that's him. Andretti. Mario Andretti. Mario Andretti. That's who he looks like. We all look alike.

Thank you, Jimmy. That's great. I just called the man Marinera. I like this picture of him there. Look at him. Yes. I'm going to sing you some nicest song. He's so nice.

What do you want? Look at the hair. Yeah, he's got good hair. Nice little pompadour happening up there. I'd love it yeah you don't know lazy mary no oh boy yeah who's she that's some lazy bitch so anyway we got i'm just kidding so 1956 here he is wrestling in texas with uh as len crosby that's what he's going by yeah len crosby god damn it you, everybody listen to Dominic the Italian Christmas Donkey, by the way.

He wins the NWA tag titles. With who? Gene Kelly. Oh. Not the dancer. No. I assume. Unless that would have been.

His strategy is you can't catch him. He's just very smooth. Yeah. Honestly. I know. It's a woman. But still. She's tough as shit.

She's tough, man. They hold the belts for 34 days. So that's not that long. But whatever. He's a woman but still she's tough as shit she's tough man they hold the belts for 34 days so that's not that long but whatever he's a champ down there 1950s in louisville here i see um january 15 1957 here is a picture of him in the paper to give you an idea zebra zebra man zebra outfit it's like yeah he's like a zebra singlet with a zebra and you can see the seam so the stripes don't even like match up no it's a terribly made mask it could have been done much better he does look terrifying though where that is it like strapped around the back it ties in the back there's like a shoelace is kind of a thing and you tie it in the back but i mean if you saw that in your bedroom at three in the morning that's horrifying six six three hundred pounds you'd

shit your pants yeah that's not good he's making his debut down there the zebra kid he is now at the columbia gym against dano faraza and uh also quote midgets tangle in a special event i do love that so there's that um here's 1957 he's fighting a grudge match with buddy rogers who is a legend buddy rogers is a guy that Bruno San Martino won the WWWF title from. Like that's, he's kind of the original nature boy, Buddy Rogers. So, you know, big star back

then. Big, big star. This is a grudge match between him and the Zebra Kid here. It'll highlight the action at the armory. And also there Fritz Von Erich. No kidding. And also there, Fritz Von Erich. No kidding. Who is the... When he was wrestling.

Yeah, father of Kerry Von Erich that we've done and all the whole Von Erich disaster family. Bad guy. He's a very bad guy. Fritz had a hard time also, though. Here's Zebra Kid says he lost a wrestling mat bout. He nearly had one last night when one of his handlers reached into the ring and tripped Buddy Rogers during the third fall.

Oh, you cheating bastard. Cheating bastard. Two out of three fall match. After Rogers had been tripped and sent sprawling, Zebra Kid pounced on him and pinned him for the count. However, the referee, Archie Turner, later disqualified the Zebra Kid and awarded the bout. So he's a bad guy is what that says. And Buddy Rogers is the good guy there. 57.

Here we are in tennessee yeah oh boy wrestling program quote packed with action will be offered tonight in the chillahoe park arena oh boy this i mean this was wrestling back then you went to small chillahoe yeah where chillahoe it's in tennessee somewhere so back i I mean, in the 60s, Vince McMahon Sr. started running in the late 50s all the big markets in the Northeast. But outside of that, wrestling in the South, in the Midwest, everywhere else was just little towns. They didn't do the big. They did weekly in little towns. So it was really you were hustling.

Exactly. So this guy says, though, knows handled how to handle the big guys tex riley when he takes on the zebra kid here he says you just get them off their feet and uh you take them down that's it and take down the zebra kid also on the card tonight the quote rotund the rotund turk alley bay okay oh boy so that. Poor fat fuck. And then also Chief Kit Fox, the Comanche Indian, will be there as well. Sammy Stein, I'm surprised they're not calling him some sort of anti-Semitic thing as well. It's ridiculous. Now, from this, this is from Knoxville, Tennessee, in this newspaper, 1957, which seems semi-modern, but it's pre-Civil Rights Act and shit.

Here's a picture. You know who that is, Jimmy? Probably not. It's hard to tell from the newspaper. Oh, is he hanging? What is he doing? You know who that is? Is that Muhammad Ali?

That is Willie Mays, my friend. No kidding. It's hard to see from the picture. Jimmy is not saying. No, I'm not. He's not saying like, I don't know, Willie Mays, Muhammad Ali, same shit. No, you can't tell from the picture. I guessed it was Louisville.

Yeah, there you go, too. It's Willie Mays playing with a baseball with a very small child, about a year and a half, who happens to be his child. And there's a nice woman sitting there watching, looking on, and he's in a kitchen somewhere. Pre-career. No, no, no. He's a star. Willie Mays is a fucking star right now. Huge star.

And the title of the article is, Willie Gets His House. Oh, my God. Okay? right now huge star and the title of the article is willie gets his house oh my okay willie mays san francisco center fielder who bid for the purchase of a thirty seven thousand dollar thirty seven thousand five hundred dollar home in san francisco was turned down because of neighborhood pressure oh my they didn't want a black guy so racist not even willie mays right not even just i mean this isn't just like in san francisco where he's the willie the garbage man which it shouldn't matter anyway obviously but it's fucking willie fucking maze sorry but i mean it's willie may he's better than you right asshole this is like to have some local

pride he plays for your team that's the other thing um he said he plays catch with his uh with 14 month old herbert henderson at the home of the Tots' parents. That's Willie's wife looking on. Willie on again, off again. Negotiations for the purchase finally resulted in the sale of the house. The mayor jumped in here. Mayor Christopher noted the unfortunate incident may put San Francisco in a bad light. But he said there's no law which compels the owner of private property to sell it to another person. Mays commented, quote, this sort of thing makes us look bad in the eyes of the world.

I would like to think, Oh boy, I would like to think this is really maze talking. So you'd say whatever he wants. I would like to think as a colored boy that I could buy and live wherever I want. I'd like to live in San Francisco, but I didn't want to make an issue out of it.

I've never been through this sort of thing before. It sure looks bad for our country. I work. Wow. I work here that's dude and he's trying so hard to not be like yeah to not on anybody's side so then he's not he had to play such a he had to play that shit so toe the line instead of being like fuck you i'm fucking i should be able to live wherever i want you cheer for me when i catch your goddamn fly balls and

fucking hit home runs i'm the hero then but you don't want me to live next door to you fuck you people that's what you should have said i'll move to fucking oakland or something you people suck i don't know so anyway here's a match uh zebra kid will be unmasked tuesday night or stew gibson will leave the wrestling arena with no hair and uh this is it's a hair versus mask match. Oh, this is awesome. Yep. If this guy gets his head shaved or he loses his mask. Pretty neat there.

57, Birmingham, Alabama. Herb Welch, popular former junior heavyweight champion. Herb Welch was a promoter forever. Welch is a huge wrestling family there. And another match with the Zebra Kid, the Masked Wildman. Also in this, Nick Goulis, Roy Welch, these are all promoters. They were in there. Yeah, so he's going to fight them.

This is an unmasking thing. They want his mask, blah, blah, blah. 1958 here. How long did that work? Forever. It worked until in Mexico. It still works. it's still a big deal it yeah i guess i want to see ray mysterio's face i mean you have yeah yeah but i mean i'm

i want like a little boy i want him unmasked as ray mysterio yeah i mean but i don't know this is the thing with unmasking back then what do they think he was going to be right that's i mean it would be some guy you don't recognize what do you think he took his mask off holy shit it's milton burl and i know it's is that ricky ricardo you know like you don't know who it is but it would be kind of cool if he's unmasked and he looks like deadpool just like a fucking exactly that's what i think they're hoping for here so darth vader's face yeah everybody wants the mask man that's um that's that's crazy they all want it so uh here he wins another title here. Terror and Zebra Kid Cop Wrestling Crown. This is in Baltimore.

It says the Golden Terror, who I tried to figure out who that was, but there's like eight guys that went as that. So I couldn't. And the Zebra Kid won the state team wrestling championship last night in the Coliseum, taking two out of three falls. So he's a champ there again. 1959. He's in. I think this is connecticut he's uh going against mark lewin who fucking mark lewin was around in the early 80s in florida with kevin sullivan and shit still he was uh later on and don curtis who i believe is i believe that's what king curtis ikea went as i'm not sure i think that's mark curtis from

dateline staff i think it is probably he's a big big wrestler there this is the show is to benefit the easter seal crippled children campaign so we'll get into that don't worry we're giving you money we can call you what we want it's fine you like that you like, so shut the fuck up and take our money. We're going to get you some crutches. That's it. Hey, we're good with you. We're going to work for crutches for all of you. How's that?

I'm going to go out there and hurt myself for crutches. Here's a match in New Haven where Dr. Jerry Graham is on the card. Dr. Jerry Graham was Vince McMahon's idol, by the way. Really? It's his favorite wrestler and his idol. He would drive around in... Dr. Jerry Graham would drive around in... Dr. Jerry Graham would drive around in big cars, would light bills to light his cigars,

light money to light his cigars. That was his big gimmick. I don't like that. Because you go, you walk around town, you waste one $100 bill lighting a cigar. That got around and everybody would, you know, ooh, look at him. He's a big fancy guy.

So that's Vince McMahon's idol right there. I don't like that. Look at him he's a big fancy guy so that was that's vince mcmahon's idol right there so uh i don't like that look at him lighting that cigar i realize that's what broke people's day but i don't like that move i want to light my cigar with a hundred dollar bill it's crazy look at him wonder what he would look like with overalls what kind of what kind of piss uh right in the mouth of a guy that parks your car is that you know what i mean like you could have just given him two of those and made his fucking week instead you give him one and then light your cigar you fucking selfish prick that's how it was too i was just trying to make a name that was like that was like ted di biasi the million dollar man that's why

that was vince mcmahon's idea ted di biasi would you know make people grovel for money and all that kind of shit that's where he got it from was jerry bram light and the cigar with something but i mean that's the idea it pissed people off and he knew that so that was he was smart so mad to recognize i know that's what i mean i'm not even it works i just hear about it and it makes me fucking mad and you want to buy a ticket to watch him get beat up don't you there you go it works get the shit. Let's see him get the shit kicked out. There you go. And wrestling, that's why there's been wrestling for a hundred years.

There you go, everybody. The wait is over. So far, you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that. Bing! The queen of the courtroom is back.

I didn't do anything. You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. I see he's didn't do anything. You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. I see he's not intimidated by anything. I can fix that. New cases.

She wanted to fight me. Leave her. A long. Okay, so, um... This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her?

Yes, Your Honor. You married his cousin. His brother. That's not with her? Yes, Your Honor. You married his cousin. His brother. That's not him. Yes, ma'am. I would make a beeline for the door. The Emmy Award winning series returns. How did I know that?

I have a crystal ball in my head. It's an all new season. It's streaming. You can say anything. Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. Orcs. Also, the Sheik, who is the Sheik, not Iron Sheik, the Sheik from Michigan up there, the original Sheik.

Yeah. It's like the beginning of that. Also on this card, what is it? Oh, wow. Happy Humphrey, a 750-pound Georgian, and Haystack Calhoun, who's a hundred or 601 pounds as well. So they're having big fits. It's fat night that night in Arkansas. This was before there was a TV and my big fat 800 pound life wasn't on.

Exactly. You had to do something. No shit. So during this time, he says that there are some acting roles available for him here and there. But he says during his years in wrestling, he turned down a number of offers to go into certain wrestling, certain take parts, little bit parts on TV and stuff like that. He says, quote, when it meaning wrestling was legitimate, it was boring. TV made wrestling an exhibition. He's talking about that.

This is much later on. He says it it had its hazards other than in the ring quote women were the worst fans they had to have their villains and i was one of them they hit you with shoes pocket books and one gal in queens used to pull out a hat pin rush over to ringside and stab me in the legs with it what the fuck that was normal back then wow women would beat you on the way people would hit you with things and there was no fucking eight cops on each side there wasn't even barricades like there is now literally there would be a like a little string rope yeah to tell you where to stand but that was there was no barricade there's nobody protecting you yeah guys got stabbed all the time back then that was insanely

common to get stabbed back then legs and the legs one lady who used to do it like it happened more than once they let her back in it's frequent after she stabbed the guy used to rush over and do this again margaret with the hat pins i had 200 stitches during my wrestling career 150 of them were because of women's high heels and purses that's what he says that's wild that's how passionate they would be about it though thank you is that bad or is that is that bad they were into it yeah i mean it's it's ridiculous that they were too dumb to realize that they shouldn't you know take a violence upon people who are putting on a show for them obviously but but credit where at least they're into it they're buying tickets thank you for

loving what we do. That's what I mean. So much that you're willing to fight for it. Yeah. That just means that you're doing your job, though. If you're a villain, that means that you're a fucking good villain. People want to stab you. If you weren't a good villain, they just wouldn't care about you.

They'd be like, fuck that guy. But they're like, I hate that guy. He did that thing to that guy I love. Right. That means you're doing a good job. Thank you all for standing and cheering for this rather than stabbing us. Nobody stab us with hat pins to show your affection, please. I don't appreciate that.

I don't either. So May 31st, 1960, he is wrestling as Len Crosby again. He wins the NWA World Tag Team titles, which is a big deal. I mean, that's the main body, not a regional one. It's the whole deal. Yes, actually with Fred Astaire. This is with Joe Christie. He wins. October 4th, 1960.

He goes, he's in the AWA now. This is Vern Gagne who we've talked about a lot. And Vern Gagne, this is AWA. He took it over in like 57-ish I think. So this is like first couple years of the AWA. And he wins the AWA tag team belts here with Hard Boiled Haggerty as his partner. Better known as Ginger Rogers.

Ginger Rogers, yes. Hard Boiled Ginger Rogers. You know how it is with Ginger Rogers. She got rugged at the end. She wasn't fucking around anymore. Called her Hard Boiled. Hard Boiled. She wasn't fucking around anymore. Called her hard-boiled. Hard-boiled. She's hard-boiled.

They got hard more than they got soft. Oh, shit. It stayed up. Yeah. So they hold the belts for 165 days. Wow. Which is a long time. That's six months.

Yeah. But Lenny isn't around for that whole time. He goes and then comes back again because right around that time, he's in a match with Vern Gagne and breaks his leg. Oh, no. So that's a problem, obviously, for a big, giant guy like that, especially. He breaks his leg. He's never the same after this again, like athletically,

broken leg for a big dude like that. And he's not 22 years old at this point, too. You think about it. He's in his mid-30s, too. So you break a leg and you're 300 pounds and you have war wounds and everything else. You're not that spry anymore. A, you don't heal fast. And B, you don't heal right.

Yeah. Like, I got scars. I nick myself now. It takes me three weeks to heal. Oh, yeah. It's going to bleed. When I was a kid, I'd scrape my knee or my elbow. And two days later, it's done. you could watch it heal like terminator 2 it's just it's just your skin

close back up oh wow look at that great by bed no more yeah it's stupid take a shower once it turns into a scab goes soft and falls off done you pick it off and it's over it's over so uh yeah he breaks his leg in a match with vern gagne this is back when vern had hair that's how long ago this was vern just a constant picture of him is old and with no hair but he had hair this is when vern was such a national star he used to do tv national tv ads for supplements that he put out really he had uh the vern ganya workout plan where you basically it was like fucking do push-ups against door frames and shit but he had like a but he knew the secret you could buy yeah to make you vigorous and whatever and supplements go get them out some powder shit that yeah he had some powder shit

he did it was like his powder shit i wish i could remember the name of it now half ovaltine half fucking tang pretty much yeah but it was his like you know hey vergana's protein powder orange chocolate you need this right here yeah it was the orange chocolate gross so uh 1961 easily leaves awa after the belts are gone and everything this is in june he's out in california at this point and uh here's a the title of the article wrestlers offer diverse talent see record crowd this was like a record crowd in uh yeah and it says quote get your hat pins sharpened grandma the wrestlers are making a comeback damn it no this was like a common thing that happened this is across the country had nothing to do with that other article old lady stabbed you with hat pins

back then that was like very normal come on out riverside what the fuck yeah get your hat pin sharpened grandmas like that's not you don't tell people to do that jules strongbow an indian giant who used to guzzle reducing a reducing formula on tv i don't know what the hell that means told the sports broadcasters gathering wednesday that his group expects to set a sports arena attendance record monday night by presenting edward carpentier who was a big giant star frenchman uh cowboy dick hutton uh former bell ricky star on that ricky star was a good really good wrestler and big well-known guy also big daddy lipscomb on that card which is he was an nfl player at one point.

Gene LaBelle, who ran the L.A. There, his family ran the California territory all the way up till Vince McMahon bought it from them in the 80s. Really? So there's that and the Zebra Kid here. Yeah. So that's just interesting to see all these people. Also, Lou Fez there. Really?

Yeah. A normal guy, Lou Fez, who told broadcasters that wrestling's on the upswing. Oh, look at that. What do you say there? 1961, Lenny comes to the Tampa Bay area wrestling under the mask of the Zebra Kid again. And they give him a little run where he's basically crushing people in like 30 seconds. He's a monster doing one of those gimmicks there. And then finally, there's a mask match and all that sort of thing he's

gonna wrestle a against tito carry on in a death match with a provision that he lose that he takes off his match his mask win or lose after the bout oh there you go taking it off no matter what other come on down yep and then 1961 he loses his mask again it's kind of when he's on his way out so he's gonna go lose the mask in all the territories and and of go from there he has a bunch of matches with eddie graham at this point eddie graham is the guy who ran florida legendary guy kind of kind of the known as like the father of the modern wrestling match structure finish of you know false finish do this get that long complicated thing guy runs in this happens ref falls down all that shit he's kind of the father of all that where he'd have these long complicated endings in the

50s a finish was a clothesline oh really yeah basically it huh the matches were if you watch 50s wrestling it's really weird because for them there's a lot of like rest holds obviously but there's also the matches sometimes are very fast paced guys are moving very fast but there's no in big impactful moves like a good clothesline is a pinning move that that's a closer that's a fucking finishing move it probably was a good drop kick as a finisher yeah it's probably very very similar to like if somebody sees this and they get back up they're not going to believe this exactly well it was like in real life what would happen like you're not allowed to punch with a closed fist in wrestling that's the thing so a villain would like act like he's going to punch with a closed fist and when the

ref wasn't looking he'd hit the guy with a closed fist and that would be they'd get three minutes out of that where the crowd would be like you fucking asshole this guy would be like oh christ he punched me right in the fucking face which you know in real life if someone you have someone in a headlock and you fucking rack them in the face with a closed fist they're gonna be like oh fuck that hurt there'll be days jesus christ like that's a real thing that it would take a minute to what the fuck he'd complain to the ref he just punched me the closed fist he go i didn't do shit yeah and the crowd goes hey did he fuck it and then that's how it builds whereas now you have to stab a guy with a harpoonpoon as he comes off of the top of the Hell in a Cell at you and then take him and burn him at the stake

and then he might kick out still. You never know. You never know. That's not quite the finisher yet. And then he's going to powerbomb you and win. The ring will have to fall into the earth first and then it all falls on him as you jump off the top of the stadium onto you.

Kick out from being burned you know it happens jesus in wrestling it would happen oh my god it's nowadays it would happen it's unbelievable now it's ridiculous it almost is annoying watching watching a storyline play out or a match play out come on this is dumb you yeah we see a guy get fucking power bond onto the floor from the top rope or some crazy shit. I'm not saying that that happens on the side of the ring. And you're like, well, I mean, he'll be up in five seconds. Like, that's not how you should think.

Back then, if that happened, you go, oh, God, he's dead. Right. If a guy fell over the top rope and all the way to the concrete floor, that would be like, is he okay? Right. Everyone be like, oh, shit, he might not. And that would be a count out a lot of times because he fell onto a concrete floor from 10 feet up.

And that hurts. I'll bet a whole bunch of people in that arena when Hart fell to his death still sat there going, he's going to kick out. No, they did. They did. They thought it was part of the show. Sick. They didn't know.

And plus, at that time. That far of a drop? Jesus. At that time, though, WCW had used sting dummies. Really? Because sting had been repelling. And they had used dummies a couple of times and they fell and they were

like, oh, sting fell and died, but it was a dummy. They did the same thing before Owen Hart happened. Wow. Yeah, that was, people were like, oh, was it a dummy? Was it, what the fuck's going on? And then when the paramedics were there, they realized Oh no, this is mad real, you guys. This is not good. You just watched something awful.

Yeah. So here's another one here where he's fighting Antonino Rocca again, and they call him, quote, the jumping Italian from the Argentine. Good Lord. The jumping Italian. Has a 28-match winning streak. Most of you guys don't jump, James. That's what I just learned. The jumping one.

He's a jumping. Jesus Christ. The zebra kid's there there because you guys aren't human with legs that work like human legs he's jumping look at him jumping around you're not gonna believe it this silly guinea's jumping all over the place he's got hamstrings and shit i don't know how he did it all sorts of hamstrings so in his career though he ends up uh one time awa tag champ central states heavyweight champ he is four-time uh georgia championship wrestling uh different one he's this georgia southern nwa southern heavyweight championship which was the georgia one nwa international tag team championship two times a georgia title with tarzan tyler

he's the uh nwa southern tag team champion once with gypsy joe yeah remember that name yeah gypsy joe do i gypsy joe is the guy who knew jack beat the shit out of with a with a bat with barbed wire that's how old he was in thes, he won a tag title with Paso Faro. That was 2005, Jimmy. And New Jack's breaking his face open. Think about how old that man was. That's fucking insane. I'm surprised he didn't die.

That's what I mean. That's how tough he is. Another time he's NWA Tag Champs with tarzan tyler again what this is with southwest sports which was uh texas their nwa texas tag team champs with gene kaniski who was a he's a fucking legend gene kaniski he's super successful world champion yeah and then also nwa tag team champ the texas version with joe christie so very successful wrestler i would say and then he goes to the kind of the carny circuit more carny after that um this is where he introduced he kind of gets a guy into the business

who ends up getting a lot of very big wrestlers into the business so he's a yeah there's a lot the degrees of separation between him and a lot of people are very small it's really funny he gets a guy named eddie sharky into the business eddie sharky is a guy who found basically all of the minnesota wrestlers that weren't in kurt hennig's little clique like uh he found the road warriors he found uh guys like that uh barry darso nikita koloff all these guys that were big stars he found and trained them sharky did that sharky did that he'd find these big bodybuilders and train them, and then they'd be big wrestlers.

I mean, Road Warriors are as successful as a tag team as you can get here. So they met. He meets Lenny Sharky, or Eddie Sharky meets Lenny Montana, and they struck up a little friendship, and Montana was the one who told him about wrestling and what the deal was. He was the guy who smartened him up. Lenny told him, he said that the outcomes were predetermined. And Eddie Sharkey says, quote, everyone suspected it, but there was always an air of mystery and you never quite knew.

That's why a punch in the face they made a big deal out of. So it seemed semi-believable. Possible. Yeah. And a lot of times it would be like, well, that match looked phony and that match looked phony. But the champ, that's a real match now. When Bruno gets in there, that's real. That's how they really thought.

When Lou Fez gets in there, that's real. That's not fake. Vern Gagne is not fake. He's an Olympic wrestler. Why would he fake it? I suppose. That's the way they looked at it. He said, quote, you talk to your fellow wrestlers about it.

Anyone else, you die first. You wouldn't tell your own mother. And if you smartened anyone up, you'd get fired right away. That's just the way it was. It was a secret thing. He says that they'd get in fights all the time, Eddie Sharkey, with the fans, which will tell you a funny story here. He says nowadays you can associate freely with the fans. But back then it was a totally different story.

They could be a scary bunch of people because they believed it was real wrestlers got stabbed sometimes and they got attacked a lot and we could fight back because there weren't any lawsuits that's the thing is guys would fight their way back to the locker room back then and they would be fucking dropping people because hey don't come at me motherfucker and some fat idiot brought an ice pick yeah and they complained to the cop and the cop would beat him up too and that's the way it was wild yeah it was wild there's stories of guys taking cheap shots at wrestlers and the cops dragging them in the locker room and having the wrestler come back and beat the piss out of him after the match to fucking yeah hey motherfucker here i am now that's how so it was a it was crazy back then. He said one thing happened in Denver.

And this is, you know, Harley races. No, do I? Harley race is one of the toughest human beings that's ever lived. He's a wrestler, NWA champion, you know, 10 times or something, 13 times, whatever it was. I think Flair ended up beating his record finally and then everybody else. But he talks like this and he's a tough son of a bitch and he was like uh doing like shoot street fighting when he was like 14 against like adults and shit like he's a one of the toughest men ever and he has a thing that he says uh he

said told somebody i just heard it in one of those legends where he says he has the best left hand ever if he hits you with his left hand you're fucking done he says if i hit a man with my left hand and he's still standing i'll look behind him to see what's holding him up that's how confident he is in it clever so anyway uh this was in denver and sharky goes to i guess uh a fan attacked harley. So Sharky went over to, quote, help Harley Race out. And he says, quote, the guy was biting Harley's finger. So I grabbed him and I was going to stick my hand in his eye on the outside corner. But when I reached down, I stuck my finger in an empty socket. Harley had already pulled the guy's eye out.

That is disgusting. So off they went to the hospital. They stitched upley's finger and put the guy's eyes back in the socket and that was it they were just dangling yeah he popped his fucking eyeball out that was his move hey don't fuck with me i'll pop your fucking eyeball out think about that can you imagine being that guy telling that story for the rest of your life do you think people said harley race was fake yeah never again i saw him beat a guy and then pop his fucking eyeball out like d eyeball a man yeah that's a real guy don't

come at harley race uh he's dead and still don't come at him popped his eyeballs out popped his eyeball out he used to intimidate cops they said he'd be driving 100 miles an hour down the one way street and they'd pull him over and he'd go i need directions he'd have like a glass of scotch in his hand they'd be like okay and i am so lost they'd give him directions because he was just a scary man um here's from 1961 he's uh a little card he's on with uh he's fighting tinker todd gypsy joe's on this card all these different guys uh. Buddy Rogers beats him there. In 60 and 61, he's still wrestling a lot. He wrestles, according to this site, 174 matches in 1961. My God.

So that's still working every other day. Yeah, that's wild. 62, this is after a broken leg and whatever. He fights again here. And I only saved this because this is a picture of the local Golden Gloves team, Jimmy. Oh, yeah. Look at these guys. Sweet Jesus.

Look at him. The bottom left? This one here. On the right? Yeah, he looks like a cartoon character. You could kick his ass. He has a red nose already. Yeah, look at him, and there's more.

Look at these little smug little shit bags. This guy's balding already. Not one them looks children yeah no that's they look like they sing in a quartet yeah that's the golden gloves team there i mean that's the golden gloves that's shocking that that's a fucking team of people yeah i mean it's shocking but did you notice that there's not a black guy amongst them oh no no no definitely not a black guy fight you let's see that's what i mean oh geez what's going on here surprising that that would be a boxing team but not as shocking jimmy as the sales yeah oh the sales and i'm just going to kind of go through here i found some movies playing from 1962 yeah which is pretty cool here is one twist with the teenage millionaire that's

the name of a movie you dance with the guy starring chubby checker jackie wilaire. That's the name of a movie. You dance with the guy? Starring Chubby Checker, Jackie Wilson. There's a bunch of songs in it dancing around. Kids to go watch. And then Jungle Girl and the Slaver. I don't like that at all. What is that? Terrible, scary name for anything. Is that late night?

Is that some sort of weird, cuckold porn? I don't think so. I think it's a regular movie that's what's so fucking weird jesus here's one uh troy donahue and uh in susan slade that's the name of the movie with connie stevens in it as well these are all old old timey fucking names here uh that i've heard of here's one uh elizabeth taylor in a movie here the world of Susie Wong. I didn't see that either. Walt Disney presents Babes in Toyland. Oh!

Okay, there's that. I loved that. Well, there you go. Is this around Christmas? I don't think so. Isn't that what that movie's for? It's a Christmas movie? In February.

Oh. I don't know. It's just people hugging. A bit late? It's cartoon people hugging. 50 cents for kids, though. It's a dollar for adults. Here's one.

Young medical men, their lives and loves young doctors all right the name of it oh boy that sounds hot sounds amazing uh yeah that's good stuff teenage millionaire again playing here here's one with carol channing in it oh in person carol channing oh that's an actual show. Go see that, I guess. Here we go. The Harlem Globetrotters are in town. Oh, my. Harlem Globetrotters. When were they established?

In the 50s, I think. Plus great halftime entertainment at the Will Rogers Coliseum. God, that was so much fun to watch. I loved them. That was fun as shit as a kid here. Here we go. The Fort Worth Twin-in oh baby yeah they got the cummins heroes are playing starring john wayne yeah and then goodbye again starring ingrid bergman so then at meadowbrook plan nine from outer space is playing fuck yes what fucking love plan nine that's great they got an ed wood movie

playing so i don't know if people knew that was bad. No. I don't know if there was ironic viewing yet. I doubt it. Wow, that's great stuff. Beyond the Time Barrier and The World, The Flesh, and The Devil. Jesus. Starring Harry Belafonte.

So it's not a porn. No. It's got fucking Harry Belafonte in it. It's a legit movie. It's a legit movie. Yeah. And then a movie called Tall Story. Jane Fonda's in that.

Must be a very young Jane Fonda. She would be, Jesus. Very young. Maybe not that young. I mean, fucking 18, 1962. Yeah. When was Vietnam? Late 60s.

That was like 69, 70. You might be right. She might be 12. She's got to be really young in this. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe she is a kid and then i found the new adult shock show as well in this early 60s even in texas they had it they do new adult shock show no one under 18 admitted sensational four hit shows first one jungle virgin what the fuck does that mean animal Animal instincts, human cunning, strange women, wild beasts.

I don't know. I don't know. Jungle women. Pulsating, passion. What does that say? Pulsating. I can't tell the newspapers at all. Is this like bestiality, James?

No, no, no. It's like a jungle. It's like a Tarzan, like Tarzan porn. Captive men, blonde fury, unshamedamed women i almost said unshaved women unshamed women savage love uh yeah unrestrained by man-made laws it says oh boy they're crazy yeah number three they wear no clothes that's just the name of it there no explanation is so awkward number four beloved infidel just openly just james yeah adult entertainment yeah openly grotesque openly come be a pervert come jerk off in public is what that

says please masturbate onto our floor we would appreciate that calling all perverts calling out we'll no we're gonna have a guy squeegee the whole thing out we pressure wash it we get a hose and the guy comes in with a hazmat suit so yeah that's disgusting so i mean if you don't want to do that or let's say you go to the movies you're gonna need to get dinner first dinner and a movie so stop on by the howard johnson's yeah the hotel where every wednesday night they have a one dollar all you can eat fish fry from 5 to 9 p.m. Oh, baby. They say they're the landmark for hungry Americans. Get in there and get yourself some gross con burps.

Do it. Yeah. And then if not, get yourself some Sherbert burps. Yeah. And then let's say, you know what? You don't have the energy. You can't go out. You don't want to do that.

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with the price it's going to be expensive i think here uh so anyway 1960s the late 60s he's kind of working some weird shit the civic auditorium in kingsport tennessee he's there a lot uh kind of every week i guess he's doing that but uh he's not fighting anybody i've really ever even heard of wrestling wise just kind of uh starting dwindle. Starting to dwindle through 64, 65, 66. He wrestles less matches, less matches. He's about 40. He's done. War wounds, broken legs.

At one point, he fights Snake 1 and Snake 2. Like, okay. Snake 1 and Snake 2. So it's at this point where he's got to find another career to get into. And being a giant guy, being a guy of a certain background sure being very italian being from brooklyn certain area uh certain area known as a tough guy good with his hands a lot of balls sure kind of an unflappable kind of a big giant cat good guy to have around he kind of drifts into uh hanging out with mob guys not only hanging out with mob guys but he's not just

hanging around like an ex-wrestler he's very much involved in everything and becomes a very uh very big key piece of a couple of puzzles to some shit he becomes uh arson is his specialty really yeah specialty is arson again lights fires which was a very good business to be in back then. If you're a mob guy, being an arsonist that can light fires and aren't traceable is a pretty good fucking skill to have. You mean a flamer. A flamer. Yeah, that's right. T-bone. Yeah.

So that's a valuable skill for insurance money. And back then, that was just a huge thing. Oh, God, yeah. Especially the mob would take over a business, burn it up, bust burn it get the insurance money done deal this is the guy you call in to do it because he had several very unique ways of doing it um this is what i mean he's got weird ideas uh one and this is his most famous and pretty goddamn fucking creative and awesome and we've seen this in movies since then but he fucking came i don't know if he came up with it but he it should he popularized it put it that way he would take a tampon

yeah soak it in kerosene and tie it to a mouse's tail oh jesus then he would put the mouse where he wanted it to be and light the fucking tampon on fire and it would run and drag it run and drag and it would catch on fire run into and run in trying to get in somewhere and that would set the fucking place on fire so that's how he would burn shit and it's untraceable it's not really traceable because it would be like you know inside of a fucking wall with a mouse rather than you know where you would look for burn marks and where you would look for pores and shit like that. Poor mouse. Poor fucking mouse, yes. He's done. Jesus.

He would do that. He would also put a candle in front of a cuckoo clock so that when the clock's bird would pop out, the candle would be knocked over and start a fire. You'd have a little bit of accelerator. Brilliant. It would do a whole thing, but it wouldn't leave a big, giant deal. That was another one of his deals. He does a few different little bids in jail here he's in rikers for a while one point he's sentenced to a year in rikers he does that he does a little time in

federal federal prison as well as all the guys do uh he ends up being basically a bodyguard to joe colombo who was the head of the colombo crime family and uh five of them a really big fucking deal joe colombo was especially uh joe colombo to explain him he started the italian american civil rights union deal okay where basically his son was arrested and you know him and all of his mob guys were always getting police pressure so he started an organization to hold rallies to say how uh unfair it was that the police and the fbi were pressing on the legitimate businessmen like him like himself i'm in real estate yeah and the whole thing was a big ploy to get his son out of jail basically and to you know kind of steal himself against investigation and shit like that but people fucking it resonated

with actual people is the problem he's full of shit obviously but the people who he was telling this to felt that way because they if you're a guy who you know works in a fucking warehouse and stacks boxes or you do some hard-ass job and you have an italian last name and people make a fucking yeah crime joke about you yeah it's kind of irritating sure you know what i'm saying that that's the first thing they think of so basically he's saying like we got to stop this and the police and the fucking government are the ones that are causing this right so regular people would go yeah that's fucking bullshit not me joe colombo not me i'm in real estate and he would stand up and make speeches now when he first did it everybody all the mob guys didn't really know how to take it they were like this is weird we

usually don't we're not public people we do our best stay off of tv joe but he had been brought in for hearings and shit like that so he was already kind of out there anyway so he said fuck it i'll do it and they kind of let him do it because he was a boss they kind of let him have it but by the second third year of it they started everybody started getting pissed off sure and saying you're just drawing more attention to us now stop helping stop fucking doing it basically you're taking all the attention we had on the meatpacking uh uh paisans and putting it all back on us yes and the meatpacking paisans don't get pulled over by the cops and stop but we get stopped more that's what ends up happening so he ends up uh joe colombo ends up basically this i know when it happened because it was three days after woodstock yeah is when he has his first major rally okay his first big in new york in new york city it's a big giant rally

it's they end up being called italian woodstock because a hundred thousand guineas show up oh my which is oh man that is a wild scene so a hundred thousand italian people show up for this big fucking rally and he gives these speeches and then they march on the fbi local office and all this type of shit and protest of harassment and you know he's giving a speech stop bothering us and all this type of shit okay okay so that's italian woodstock there it's all very hypocritical it's all very hypocritical for him yeah exactly so i get it yeah that's what it is so it's got the wrong speech maker exactly that's the thing when you got that guy doing it it's it's weird when someone tries to represent a movement who has nothing to do with an actual fucking movement or wouldn't actually even talk to those

people for two fucking seconds but yet they can demagogue them into fucking it's weird it's so weird how that happens and still happens to this fucking very weird anyway uh the next year yeah everybody's sick of this shit sure the people of the other mob guys are tired of it especially the fuck the gallo brothers yeah crazy joe gallo gas pipe and uh no that's that's no no that's a different guy that's uh gas pipe is different guy that's a different gallo yes that's not gallo that's uh casso casso yeah casso yeah this is the gallo brothers the gallo brothers are fucking insane they're from red hook brooklyn they're nuts they're uh they're tough son of a bitches crazy joe gal his nickname is crazy joe so if you're a mob guy and you're you're crazy there's

a lot of joes you're the craziest you're crazy Joe. You're fucking crazy. So crazy Joe, you can remember from the Goodfellas voiceover. This is before crazy Joe decided to take on a boss and start a war. Yeah. When there's talking about, you know, this is the good times and he's making sandwiches and shit. That's who's crazy. Joe is decided to take on the perfaches and all that shit and start a war. Columbo took over that family. And basically they have beef with Joe Columbo.

Now, everybody knows they have beef with joe colombo now uh everybody knows they have beef with joe colombo and everybody also knows that when crazy joe gallo was in prison he made friends with the black guys yeah that he he didn't have this like oh we only do with deal with ourselves he was like bullshit you deal with whoever everybody can make money and he didn't believe in any of that shit so he ended up uh know, kind of recruiting a lot of black guys in his crew, basically. Yeah, they were, you know, doing shit for him and working with him and stuff like that. And a lot of people knew that.

Now, no one knows who set this up, but people think it's Carmine Persico who set it up to make it look like Joe Gallo had it done. Got it. Okay, so Joe Colombo is going to make his speech at one of these big things it's a huge rally and he sees a young black woman there and she's like like foxy brown style like fro and like really like put together and shit and you know sexy and uh she says hello to him and he stops and turns and he's a pervy old man.

And he goes to start talking to her, even though he's on the way to the stage to make a speech. He's like, well, I got to talk about those tits for a minute. He goes to talk to her. And as he goes to talk to her, he gets shot in the head. Yeah. Okay. It's a guy ends up shooting him in the head. Another black guy shoots him in the head.

This is a guy with carrying a camera and has press credentials. Shoots him in the head. Okay. So you're going to want to get a hold of that guy to see why he did this right who put him up to it they never get the chance though because as he's tackled to the ground by the cops two of joe colombo or two uh two other fellas two fellas they weren't joe colombo's guys but two italian guys in the crowd came up and shot the black guy who was the guy who shot Joe Colombo, and then they ran off and never were caught. So they were taking care of the, you know. It's why when Michael Corleone in Godfather 2, when they shoot up his house, my home, all that shit, and then they find the dead guys, you killed the guy who you hire for

that job because you don't want him saying who hired him. That's how that works. Fascinating. We never get to find out exactly who set it up, but everybody seems to think it was Carmine Persico making it look like it was the Gallows. Got it. That's why he used black guys. So that's how that works. Anyway, I only say this to say Joe Colombo at this point, he has to kind of take a step back.

He is in the hospital for a long time he survives this he doesn't die for another like eight years but he's never the same again he's you know whatever the fucking head exactly he got shot in the fucking head it doesn't quite work out he's a he's uh one of the mob guys says that uh they vegetable them that's how he put it diminished capacity yeah well he said uh he said i don't think this guy vegetable them i think that guy vegetable them that's literally the quote that the guy had so uh there's it's fucking funny there's a guy named frankie the mole seagrow at this point uh-huh frankie the mole okay all right now frankie the mole here uh he's got all sorts of there's a lot of beefing going on

here persico the gallows persico and the gallows used to be very close and then they weren't close anymore. And they were fighting because of the gallows broke off and kind of did their own thing. They didn't want to pay tribute to Joe Perfacci because he was really rich. And Carmine was smart and took the boss's side instead. And that's how they kind of got an opposite sides. And it's a long story. boss's side instead and that's how they kind of got in opposite sides and okay it's a long story crazy joe gallo anyway is the guy who got shot at umberto's clam house with jerry orbach at dinner oh jesus law and order jerry orbach because gallo decided he was writing a book and he had all the

showbiz friends now and uh jerry gallo was gonna play jerry orbach was gonna play him in a movie so they're play one of his people in a movie so he was hanging out with him and jerry orbach's wife was ghostwriting joe gallo's book so they're out at dinner and that's what ended up happening of all the luck of all the luck jerry orbach so what an interesting life jerry orbach had it really made well he's dead now so yeah not pretty recent right few years five years yeah maybe five more than that because john mulaney joke about his eyes was you're right post-death fucking 2015 so wow anyway carmine persico is an illinois prison at this point federal prison gets transferred to atlanta because there's a contract for him put out by the gallows at this point so uh persigo jesus christ this is crazy um apparently there was a carmine fatico there was a hit order to carmine fatico who ended up hiring uh frankie the mole and lenny passaparo

okay to be our hitman lenny montana lenny montana is uh a hitman here so that's part of his thing now that's what they're saying he's a giant fucking guy obviously and uh you know that's kind of part of it here so uh he basically is uh hanging out with frankie the mole a lot and guarding joseph colombo and uh frankie the mole is a 175 pound little skinny guy. And then he hangs out with this guy. So they're pretty funny little pair. So anyway, there's a lawsuit that goes on and they get this loss. They persuade, as they put it in the newspaper, this man to withdraw legal action against these two employees here. So anyway, they end up hiring. Let's just do it this way.

April 4th, 1967. This Reisman guy. He's the guy who initially filed lawsuits that involved the mafia guys and then had to pull them back. He gets off a commuter train in Long Island at the Hewlett Railroad Station, and he is taken away by a couple of guys here. In the middle of a crowd, they just grab this guy and pull him off. They fire a shot.

It's kind of a scare shot not to hit him. Other commuters began yelling and screaming, so they had to take off and run away. June 17th, 68, Frankie the Mole, Pasifaro, Carmine Persico, Fatico, and another guy all get arrested for the murder for hire scheme. Because Pasifaro was a main contributor to this thing. And they think he might have been one of the guys that physically tried to grab him away. Because how the fuck are you going to get away this guy yeah so uh an actual part of the actual hit team so that's a big deal here uh all sorts of charges conspiracy to commit murder attempted murder assault possession of weapons all sorts of shit they charge all these guys were um they end up not being able to find frankie the mole for a while but they do get Paso Faro who somehow ends up he ends

up doing like a year in Rikers awaiting shit and then everything kind of gets dropped against him because there's no evidence as a lot of these mob guys used to get arrested all the time and it would get dropped as nobody would testify lack of evidence that sort of shit so that's what ends up happening he does a bunch of time in Rikers and they just let him out that's awesome just let him out and he continues to be kind of a colombo soldier of course and uh he's in a movie too in 1969 he's in a movie called change of habit which uh is quote an incognito nun tries to help a doctor clean up an inner city ghetto with the pair growing closer as time goes on. What, it's Sister Act 2?

It's Sister Act fucking prequel. Sister Act, everything? That's what it was. This is prequel Sister Act here. Lenny plays a grocer. He's uncredited. You know who this movie stars? No.

Elvis and Mary Tyler Moore. What? The fuck? And Lenny Montana. And Lenny Montana. And Ed Asner's in this too awesome but elvis and mary tyler moore where do you hear all the people he's in movies with like his degree of separation is wild here um and by the way this is the time period when hollywood people loved

hanging out with gangsters just like the wrestlers did there's a time period here where uh during all of this uh uh carmine persico who's married but he's also going out on the side with goldie hawn jesus goldie hawn goldie hawn was dating a mobster yeah i think i know that story it's dating persico she doesn't talk about it no she broke up everybody else was like that's a fucking goldie hawn because she was on laughing at the time. Yeah, she was. She was still going out with him going all the night life in New York. That's what she'd be out with.

Nobody knows that she's five years older than Kurt Russell. Weird. She's older. Yeah, she's old. Much older. Yeah, because Kurt Russell was a kid in the late 70s on the Mavericks playing baseball. He was 15 when she met him and he was too young for her. Yeah. Well, he baseball. He was 15 when she met him and he was too young for her. Yeah.

Well, he was. That's right. And he was going out with Goldie Hawn, Carmine Persico and his friend who I fucking can't remember who it is now. His friend was going out with an actress as well. Yeah. Who's the ends up being the woman who was the mother in my big fat Greek wedding. Oh, really?

Yeah. She and she was going out with. Yeah. So what's the point that's fucking hilarious it's a cack yeah lots of uh god i love that line that's such a good movie movie sucks my ass i hate that movie i hate it so much um i had to watch it for ps i hate this movie and it was just painful man i love that movie fucking bad not as bad as twilight don't get me wrong it's goddamn bad here so uh yeah he's in this movie i don't know uh elvis mary tyler moore it's a 6.1 out of 10

on imdb so like i said everything is mixing and people are mixing and then a little movie starts shooting in new york yeah and around new york called the godfather oh okay yeah now if you've seen the god if you haven't seen the godfather, I don't even know what to do with you. You've seen The Godfather. You have. I mean, a lot of people who are like 20 haven't seen The Godfather. But if you like movies at all, you should watch The Godfather because it's like top five of all time on every single list ever.

Probably top three. Yeah, on every list. It's up there. I mean, if you... Top five is one and two, James. Yeah, that's what i'm saying even if one and two yeah both two parts of this story are in the top five that's how great this fucking story is top five movies are good fellas uh uh the godfather one and two

and then two other we have everything there's crime there's relationships there's stuff it's just a great story there's a lot happening so the godfather starts filming now let's let lenny this is from the newspaper in 1972 let's let him say what ended up happening murder for hire guy he says yeah he said one day he went to visit his mother in white plains big giant lenny pasifaro fucking you know colombo family champion wrestler all this just went to visit his mom he says quote she told me they were making a movie down the street using a local bar so i decided to see what was going on yeah so he walked down there said he came to the location you know he stood back with everybody

and behind the barriers just watching and he said you know he's a big guy he's towering over people and he's you know he's watching a scene play out he says quote i saw this guy staring at me every so often i didn't know who he was but he kept looking back at me from the other side of the barrier and he said the guy turned out to be al ruddy who's the film's producer and he said the guy kept looking at him and looking at him and then the guy ended up like waving him over and he says the guy says quote can i see you for a minute as ruddy asked him can i see you for a minute so lenny followed asked him, can I see you for a minute? So Lenny followed him across the street. And then Ruddy asked him, do you ever do any acting?

And he said, I wrestled for 25 years on television. I guess you can call that acting if you want. You were in a movie with Elvis Presley. Say that. He's just a grosser, I think. I don't think he had any luck. Say that still. Yeah, I was in a movie with Elvis.

You know, I hung out with him a little bit. You know, Mary Talamore. That's the difference between a guy that can keep his mouth shut and yes and a douchebag yeah oh god if any if 95 of actors in la were in a movie with with brad pitt in any capacity in any capacity yeah stood as a checker in a grocery store as he had a line was i was in a movie you saw me you you may not remember but you saw me you saw me i was there. I'll send you the freeze frame. It's on my IMDb. It's on there.

He said, Ruddy smiled and asked him if he would step inside a trailer. And there was Francis Ford Coppola, who is the director of The Godfather, and makes a pretty good wine. That's what I thought he was. Francis Ford Coppola. A great winery guy. He's the fucking director. Okay. Thank you. Jesus. I got really upset. I have so many of his wine bottles. They're good. He cope great wine winery guy he's the fucking director okay thank you jesus i got really i have so many of his wine bottles they're good it's great wine and it's affordable thank you francis yeah it's like 15 bucks it's so good yeah and uh he said he walked in with him and

coppola looked at him and said quote that's luca brazzi okay yeah and montana said he was confused he says in the paper quote i'm lenny montana not this guy brazzi okay yeah and montana said he was confused he says in the paper quote i'm lenny montana not this guy brazzi or whoever you're talking about i don't know who you mean that ain't me i don't know you're confusing me with but uh you know around here mistakes happen and bad things could happen to people you know what i mean i'm lenny can't make wild accusations like that i don't know what he's got on him things are flying around a lot of people are talking you know one minute it's this one minute i'm i'm fucking luca bryan you never know what's going on so he said the next thing he knew he was being handed an address in manhattan to report there the next morning to pick up a script they said he was taken

to a location on staten island for the wedding scene of the godfather which is the one of those famous opening scene where michael my goddamn al pacino and diane keaton are talking about my marlon brand i believe in america right that's the opening line the marlon brando in his office and this guy you can't refuse anything on the on your daughter's wedding day so everybody's out there lined up to ask him favors right and he's saying his daughter has been defiled by these thugs and they're horrible and can you kill these people for me? And Don Corleone, Marlon Brando,

saying I can't kill them because that's not even. He goes, I can fucking... I can defile them. I can do some things, but killing them's a little bit too far. And then he says, I'm going to make you the best wedding cake.

It's a beautiful... And the whole thing. So everybody's lined up. Yeah. And sitting outside uh diane keaton says who's that man over there that scary man and my and i think al pacino goes he's a very scary man that's luca brazzi yeah and that is lenny passaparo he's trying to memorize his lines yeah he's got the day of the daughter's wedding and apparently he didn't have an easy time

memorizing lines either that was a tough one to say to all that shit yeah on the day you may your first child be a masculine child it's not how he would normally speak nobody would talk like that no it's very formal like 40s and you know an old man in the 40s might have said that but not him then so it was hard for him to do so yeah he said that um he's this gave him movie offers and the whole deal and everything was going great here's a picture of him with al ruddy with the look at the wow he is so big he's a monster look at the size of his head it's twice the size of the producer's head is he an italian with flat top what is that he's got like a pompadour oh okay all right he's got gray hair it's very great

oh it's gray yeah it's very gray it's a black and white picture okay so he's uh yeah that's him there now that's what he said that's how he says he got on on the godfather that's an incredible story which is an incredible story it really is he said that gets where it gets there's more to it too yeah um yeah he says uh there's all that he gets in there can talk to you for a minute blah blah blah then he gets you know he gets a scene with marlon brando and he's that's out there it's a big deal um also in the paper he says they ask him what he's done he says for he wrestled and then for the last 10 years quote he's been employed as a public relations man for a company that makes and installs storm fences on long island right no yeah yeah he's been a colombo family associate

you mean union work i mean yeah now would you like to know the real story of how he got on the godfather because that is a complete bullshit fabrication for a newspaper in 1972 because he couldn't say the real thing he says he's a fencing salesman okay marlon brando sits in a trailer and they just watch the barricades for the for the guy that's what's happening right that's how it works so real story uh first day of filming on the godfather coppola's there and he's you know got his thing and he this is great i got my big movie and you know this is a big deal he's this book is amazing the mario buzzo book it's fucking beautiful and you know they just start we got his back yeah they got the script it's all beautiful first day joe colombo comes to the set

oh the boss joe colombo um oh he knew it was going on and joe colombo comes to the set with him in tow is lenny passaparo standing behind him because he's his bodyguard so old those old bosses don't go anywhere without this giant fucking guy so uh that way he could say whatever he wants to anybody and then have lenny maul him what are you gonna do i got this guy with me so he goes up to coppola marches his way on the set nobody telling him not you can't come here any of that shit it's joe colombo he's coming so he comes on to the set walks up to coppola and says i tell you something uh by the way he goes a couple of things that you're not allowed to say in your little picture he goes a couple of things that you're not

allowed to say in your little picture here yeah a couple of things i don't want to hear one time or else you're gonna be in a lot of trouble coppola went okay what are they i got a script already i don't want to hear the word mafia or cosinostra in this movie oh none neither neither of those are in that fucking script he goes if i fuck if that gets on the screen, you're going to be in a lot of fucking trouble, Francis. Clever. So they were like, Francis was like, are you fucking serious? He goes, oh, yeah. He goes, and Francis Coppola was like, why?

And he told him, he goes, because it's denigrating to the Italian people. And he goes, okay. Coppola didn't know what to say. So he looked at Columbo and he says, I'll tell you what, I'll make you a deal. I'll take all those as he said it's all peppered throughout the script was everywhere cozano's true the mafia all that shit he goes i'll take every mention of it out of the script if i can have that guy in my movie and he points at lenny yeah i want him in my fucking movie because he said he fucking scared him he goes this guy scared the shit out of me standing there and i said i need a scary guy. That's the guy.

He's literally, that's Joe Colombo is that guy, the boss. And that's the guy next to him that would kill for him. Perfect. So he goes, I want him. And he was off standing. So Colombo said, all right, fine deal. Walked away. As he's walking, Lenny goes to follow him.

And he goes, go talk to the man. What did he say? He goes, Lenny, talk to the man. He wants to make you a star. And then he left. Drove his car away. And Lenny was left there. Talk to the man. talk to the man what'd he say he goes lenny talk to the man he wants to make you a star and then he left drove his car away and lenny was left there talk to the man he wants to make you a star lenny lenny walked up hi how you doing i'm lenny and he goes you're fucking luca brazzi you're my guy and that's how he and that's how he's on the fucking what a story that's how he's that's so much better his boss is threatening his life. And he goes, well, you know what? It worked.

So I want that guy. And it worked. And he ends up doing that. Now, a lot of people. Carmine Persico is a technical advisor on this film. Is that right? Carmine the Snake Persico, who's as much of a kind of a he's like the arch type of fucking gangster, man. He's just a Machiavellian motherfucker.

He's nasty. But Persico is a technical advisor and he told the cast that if they wanted to know the life for real they were welcome to fucking come hang out with him and his him and his guys come out for a couple of nights if you want to know how we really act no i'm good yeah all right not on not on jobs sure but on not hijackings or anything but if you want to come out to the bars and see how we act and all that. They said, fuck yeah, we do. Yeah, they want to see. The key grip running around.

How else? No, no, the actors, not the crew. Oh, got it. The cast. The guys who would have to play gangsters. That I might do. You want to know what the fuck you're actually doing? Come with me.

Right? So James Caan took him up on it right away. Oh, James Caan is the most gangster son of a bitch. Well, this is how he became the most gangster. That makes sense. Because he likes hanging out with gangsters. Yeah. He almost didn't live that long

because Persico almost killed him, actually. Really? Yeah, they were hanging out one of the nights and it was Caan and I think Robert Duvall might have been there as well. I could see it. They were all hanging out and Carmine Persico was in a separate room

with a young lady. Yeah. One of the gangsters walks in and uh james khan who had known him a little bit from hanging out with him he walked up to me goes hey uh you know you say hi to everybody make sure you say hi to carmine's in the back room i'm sure you want to go show your respects to him he's back there with his daughter so go show respects to the guy right so this guy goes in the back room shows respects to carmine oh no carmine good to

meet you your daughter's so lovely what a beautiful young girl it's just you've done a great job raising her blah blah blah and carmine's like fucking steams coming out of his ears because this is the broad he's banging this night girlfriend so he's fucking pissed and he sees he goes you motherfucker that's not my fucking daughter you piece of shit and this guy's like oh fuck he comes out ready to kill james conn literally like let's take him outside i'm cutting his fucking head off his shoulder laughing about this is this a joke it's a joke yeah it's a joke to him but it's not a joke to these guys this is like a real disrespectful move yeah in the gang this is the real world here

this isn't hollywood that's disrespectful as a plumber to plumber exactly thank you i'll fuck you up i'll fuck you up so it's 10 years younger than me i earned that fuck you fuck you and this is at jilly's to the restaurant which is frank sinatra's favorite hangout uh it's owned by frank sinatra's kind of right hand man this is where actually uh this is where like bruno san martino used to go hang out and all like any italian, this is where they hung out. This was their spot. This was the restaurant bar. Anyway, saving James Caan's life is a guy named Tommy Bellotti.

Tommy Bellotti is a big fat gangster guy. He comes up, honest mistake, honest mistakes. He's beautiful. He's breaking, he doesn't know, he doesn't know. Basically, Caan bit down and saved his life. Tommy Bellotti is the guy who you've definitely seen footage of him dead as a matter of fact is that right because he is paul castellano's driver oh no who got shot outside spark steakhouse he's the fat guy who got that's him so that's tommy bellotti you see everybody has yes now in the movie the godfather it's full chock full especially part

two of uh of stories that are real stories that carmine persico just told people as a technical advisor and they got to use him as the film like uh the uh um the guy who uh it was uh frankie pantangeli in the movie. He goes into a bar. They give him a $100 bill. He goes, I don't like the implication. He gives it back, and then they try to strangle him.

As they're strangling him, a cop comes in and goes, hey, what's going on in here? And then they drop him, and he ends up living. Remember that scene? Okay, that's a real scene. That happened to Larry Gallo.

Carmine Persico and another guy were strangling him to death with a fucking garrote they were garroting him to death it was on a sunday so bars have to be closed till a certain time they didn't close the door all the way left it a jar so a patrol car that went by went let me see what's going on with this bar they open early do i have to fucking you know we have to get a bribe basically so they opened the door and said what's going on in here because it's dark in there and light outside. That's why the cop says, what's going on in here? Even though they're five feet away, he couldn't see them.

Yeah. And the guy, they took off running. One of the Persico's guys ended up shooting a cop in the face during the chase on the way out. Jesus. So this was a big fucking deal. This turned into and Larry Gallo lived just just like pantangeli in the movie so they wrote it in yeah they asked larry gallo what happened to you who did this to you and he goes i got myself shaven meanwhile he's yeah fucking strangled i got myself shaven that's what he said

wouldn't fucking tell on him beautiful so anyway that's that scene and a bunch of other scenes are literally from real life carmine persico stories and uh another story i found from here that was very interesting is uh the scarpa guy there's a guy named scarp is it jeffrey no no no that's the the not chief j strongbow who's joe scarpa is that okay it's it's greg or jeff i can't remember gregory or jeffrey i think it's gregory scarpa i'm not don't put me. That might be Jeffrey Scarpa. He's this fucking awful gangster guy, right?

He's just this fucking monster. Yeah. But he was working with the FBI a little bit to get himself out of shit. And he had worked with, also had some CIA stuff because they were working with them with Castro. CIA and the mafia worked together a lot in the 60s trying to get rid of Castro. Of course. And shit like that. So anyway.

Bad for business. It's bad for business. The government is very mafia. They're very mafia. Yeah. And they like the way the mafia operate. It's modeled the same way. Yeah.

It's true. It's all about money. So this was during the 60s after the Mississippi burning murders, you know, kind of a big deal. Bad shit. Yeah. You know how the FBI solved that? No. They didn't. uh during the 60s after the mississippi burning murders you know kind of a big deal that shit uh yeah the you know how the fbi solved that no they didn't they got scarpa to figure it out really as part of yeah to get himself out of something he said i'll find out who did that shit you guys really want to know that that's pretty public right jesus he went the fuck down south this fucking lunatic he went down south and found some Klansmen,

literally beat a guy within an inch of his fucking life, some Klan guy, kidnapped him, tortured him. He asked around, found out what the deal was, brought him in, kidnapped him, tortured him, beat him within an inch of his life, and stuck a gun down his throat until he fucking confessed to the whole thing. That's how the FBIbi solved the mississippi burning cases was a fucking gangster doing a gangster ass interrogation on somebody

going marcellus wallace on their asses with the quickness man yeah that's wild isn't it unbelievable it's a crazy story um so anyway on the set of the godfather he says uh first day he says quote i was standing next to this old looking guy and i asked him if brando was here the guy looks at me and says brando is expected it was brando yeah it was marlon he should be here soon it was brando which said he said he felt embarrassed yeah because he said he was starstruck by brando he's a big star i mean he's a huge star fucking streetcar name on the waterfront you know the whole deal so he says uh at one point when a producer's watch broke on the set

right lenny brought in another one it was a female producer so lenny brought her in a watch the next day it was an antique diamond watch beautiful expensive watch to replace the watch i brought this for you no big deal your watch broke here's another yeah she said oh this is beautiful he says quote just don't wear it in florida that walked away somebody might recognize it down there yeah literally just don't wear it in florida or it's known to be missing otherwise you're good how great is that lenny's a fucking it's hilarious that's wild i'm gonna give gifts now and say shit like that right just don't do that there just like don't wear it in l.a just don't wear that in l.a It's hilarious. That's incredible. That's wild. I'm going to give gifts now and say shit like that. Right? Just don't do that there.

Just don't wear it in LA. Just don't wear that in LA. Don't wear that in Riverside. I'm just saying. Whatever you do. Whatever you do, stay out of Tucson. I know it's nice. Keep it out of Tempe. That's amazing.

The whole state, not even. Keep that out of Nevada. You don't want to be there. Florida, whole state, not even a city. Anywhere from Miami to Pensacola. Keep it out of there. I'm sorry. They move.

So, Lenny, if you haven't seen The Godfather, shame on you. But anyway, Lenny ends up playing Luca Brasi, who is Marlon Brando's most loyal hitman. They send Luca Brasi to go talk to people. They end up, he's murdered by the rival gangsters. They stick a ice pick through his hand, so he's stuck to the bar, and then they strangle him, and his eyeballs, he does a great job

sticking out his eyeballs. I mean, it's like, whoa, it looks like he's dying. He does a, is this a snuff film? It's like he's seen it. It's like he's seen it a couple of times. It's like he knows what he's doing. He knows what he's doing. So he does a great job there. his method oh fairy method strangle me good really i like it i don't know i just like it cock hard yeah so he's uh he ends up they kill him and they end up

sending the newspaper luca's uh bulletproof vest wrapped in newspaper and then the most famous line luca brazzi sleeps with the fishes so that's famous line luca brazzi sleeps with the fishes so that's that's luca brazzi is this fucking guy jesus so he says about acting quote wrestling helped me a lot in acting i wasn't camera shy all those years in wrestling kept me loose yeah which is true he's not shy yeah because i at least i have pants on yeah you know actually he was in his boxers i don't have to have my fucking face covered that's true he says he got uh you know he's got some offers coming in now and he says his wife sylvia though is not real crazy about the whole idea of him making movies take it easy joe get off the camera he says he says quote she's afraid if i if i make a lot of movies we'll have to move to

california away from our three daughters and our four grandchildren no so that's she's very he's upset about that so uh he ends up having a son too who we'll talk about a very masculine child a very his first child was a masculine child and uh we'll talk about it but uh he said the pay was good he said he was paid a thousand dollars a week on the godfather for seven weeks that's pretty which back then is good money. It's not bad. No, it's good. It's not scale. But he only got seven grand to be in the greatest movie ever. Yeah, he has seven grand is what Lugarazzi made for that.

But seven grand back then was, you know, 50 grand probably, 45, 50 grand inflation probably, which is still pretty good for seven weeks, I would say. He says he didn't have to strangle anybody. You know, he says that they play, he got along with Varlin Brando very well. He says, quote, when I told him I was thinking of pursuing an acting career, he advised me not to take any acting lessons. He also said that I should never go by the script, but to act natural. If I went to classes, he said, I'd ruin it for myself. It's true.

It's true. But Brando not going by the script. You can only do that if you're brando right otherwise they go you're fired we're getting someone in here knows the fucking script you think you are jim carrey stop it no brando's the only guy who can say the script's just an idea yeah so anyway godfather acting career all this grace yeah finally yeah long grace is one of our longer graces i would say he's almost 50 he is 50 do you do it when he's wrestling but then he's going to be luca brazzi so that's better than wrestling i

think at that point so who knows the greatest thing ever he's wrestling yeah uh he appears on a tv series that year in 72 called the sixth sense oh nothing is original jimmy no it's not nothing this is the same thing it's a rod serling show twilight zone rod serling yeah uh dr michael rhodes is a college professor with an interest in the paranormal he and his assistant nancy spend much of their time investigating mysteries involving extra sensory perceptions spirits possessions and other such experiences it's the same fucking thing yeah and uh yeah absolutely it's rod serling so anybody who knows shit would know that right and they ended up editing this show down because they couldn't have enough to syndicate it so they edited 60 minute episodes into 30 minute episodes and aired it uh with the night gallery show in syndication so nobody saw it so no night gallery was very popular actually so people yeah people

have syndicated so i guess everybody saw it but they thought it was night gallery when they saw it they didn't know it was that one if they saw it in syndication they thought it was night gallery unless they saw it on first run uh so anyway uh lenny played barney on the through a flame darkly episode so uh yeah he appears on the david frost show that year as well talk show yeah he's the guy uh frost first nixon oh he's the guy who interviewed nixon from the frost nixon yeah david frost this was when he was pre trying to interview nixon this is like So he's the guy, Frost vs. Nixon. He's the guy who interviewed Nixon on the Frost-Nixon. Yeah, David Frost. This was when he was pre-trying to interview Nixon.

This is like the beginning of the movie when he's just doing fluffy showbiz shit. Hilton Grudits. Yep. 1973, he's in a series called Search. It has Burgess Meredith in it. Really? So, yeah. I love that guy.

God, he's amazing. Well, if she craps out two dimes and a nickel, then we'll worry. He's the greatest. love burgess best penguin best so many things he was so great rocky person yeah that's fucking everything he's the shit best corner man he's the best best grandfather of a grandfather great grandfather everything it was amazing this show lasts for 12 episodes uh world security is an international high-tech private investigation company employs field operatives who are aided by implanted audio receivers and who carry tiny cameras and telemetry unit telemetry units which can be attached to tie racks or rings the fuck is this technology shit tiny cameras audio receiver it's like new spangled shit but from 1975 spies yeah like spy shit lenny plays danny ellis

in the 24 karat hit episode he's also in a in a spoof of the godfather it's an italian made spoof called the funny face of the godfather stupid shit 1975 he's in a tv movie called strike force strike force a new york city detective teams up with a federal agent and a state trooper to bust up a drug ring oh boy you know who's in it richard gear is the state trooper 1975 unreal richard gear how was there never you know those the spoof movies like scary movie not another teen movie all that there was never a not another italian movie mafia was it mafia is there one more mafia he did it yeah it was uh it was the uh the guys who made it though are famous they're spoof guys it wasn't that wasn't the zuckers that made it it was uh

can't remember but the white bridges is in it a lot of people are christina applegate plays the diane keaton character it was done then yeah it's yeah it wasn't it was not a great it was late 90s i never heard of it it's got its moments but it's not jay moore's weird and he's very you should watch it to check it out we know we know that so uh lenny is uncredited as a new york italian dock worker okay which he fits that mold this gets a 3.9 of 10 on imdb so it doesn't sound like a great shit movie shit movie 1976 he's in a movie called patty and this is doctors and experts sit around and discuss the patty hearst kidnapping case which is seen in recreation so this is like a documentary sort of where they're people talking about it they cut to recreations it's almost like uh like an hour long like uh you know

investigation discovery show type of thing but in a movie but a feature film that is a fascinating case though it's very fascinating lenny plays a racketeer in that so somebody involved in that 1977 he's in a tv movie contract on cherry street okay when his partner is killed new york city detective frank hovanis and an organized crime squad go up against the mob yep despite strong objections from his superiors oh boy this is starring as the main cop yeah frank sinatra jesus christ of course how does he do it by the way italian woodstock and the event the next year where Joe Colombo was shot, both events played by Frank Sinatra.

No kidding. He was singing on stage. Oh, baby. How about that? Yeah. He was friends with the mob guys. They asked him for a favor. He did it.

Sure. So, yeah, why not? Lenny plays Phil Lombardi, so he's got a name. That's good. This is a 6.7 of 10 on IMDb. Not bad. 1978 movie, Fingers. It's not a dirty movie i swear he says a dysfunctional young man is pulled between loyalties to his italian mob connected loan shark father and

his mentally disturbed jewish concert pianist mother poor bastard whoa he got typecast and yeah he's a giant guinea what is he gonna be but you could be anything i mean no he's a giant guinea he's gonna be a they're just dragging him through the mud with every mob movie we could get luca brazzi let me ask you a question yeah look at like the late 90s all those mob movies and all those guys working outside of those movies you ever see any of them in anything else? I don't know. No. Exactly right.

Yes. Because middle America doesn't want to go see some guinea in a leading role. They don't see themselves in that. James Caan did pretty well, but again. He's Jewish. Not Italian. Not Italian? He got to do all kinds of shit.

Al Pacino. Yeah. But I mean, you got to be like Pacino or De Niro. You got to be one of the best actors of all time. You can't be like, you know. Robert Duvall. It's a regular guy. He's a great great actor you can do it italian great oh my god he's one of the best cowboys ever so good at it yeah he's great he's great and everything he's fucking robert duvall so uh this stars harvey kytel good lord jim brown yeah the running back yeah danny aiello tony What? Tony Sirico, Pauly Walnuts.

Yeah. This must be his first role, because he was still running with the Columbos at this point. Really? Yeah. Tony Sirico was with the Persico family. Yeah. He was with those guys. He's the one that now does fucking mob documentaries, right?

Yeah. He does the strike. Yeah. Right. I know a guy who knew him back in the day. Weird. he knew all about his shit so uh also uh dominic chienese uh chienese who's uncle junior on the soprano so two sopranos people in that from 1978 lenny plays lucino 6.8 to 10 on imdb imdb he appears in on

kojak really yeah as he plays a guy yeah he plays on that next he appears in a movie my god called matilda yeah oh do you know what this is the new one no no this is 1978 who the hell was matilda in that movie a small-time talent agent discovers an amazing boxing kangaroo yep and figures to use it as his stepping stone into the big time okay look at the poster this is a different matilda it's got a fucking kangaroo with boxing gloves and who are the i don't know drawn people it's like larry hagman i think i don't know who the hell's in this movie so it stars elliot gould and robert mitchum wow of an english boxing champion billy baker arrives in america with a kangaroo with an unusual talent

for boxing who takes their kangaroo across overseas needing to support himself he reluctantly joins up with a small-time talent agent featuring the kangaroo but when the world heavyweight boxing champion offers to take matilda on uh on at the carnival to impress a girlfriend matilda ko's dockerty in the middle of in into the middle of next week with a single punch next thing you know catapulted into the he's a boxer now yeah because you can fucking the rule book doesn't specifically say you can't be a kangaroo right one of those fucking things say her bud for boxing yeah jesus that's terrible doesn't say anything about two legs or four legs oh my god it will take all of bernie's wits billy's wisdom and matilda's

punching speed and power to get themselves all through it i hate this movie and i can't believe it was made a piece of shit lenny plays a hood number one 3.5 out of 10 on imdb he had to feel embarrassed about this yeah he had to you need to clear your head after you do that like you would just sit there and stare at a wall just be like what did i just yeah did i just do that yeah you're back to manhattan and realize yeah i'm kind of a big deal around here i feel like lenny gets a big giant sandwich yeah with a lot of meat on it and he just sits on a park bench and stares and just eats it and goes my god this is good capicola but what the fuck did i just do jesus christ and then while he's sitting there he hears some dogs barking

in the distance who is it it's bobby colorado animal trainer from fredericksburg texas and he says how is it you come to arrive here it's a nice place around it's a nice park a lot of ponds let me ask you a question yeah would you get that sandwich because it's a that's a good looking bread i'm looking for a nice crust because you know how it is yeah hey but what are you what are you doing you're supposed to let me ask you i mean we may have we may have similar backgrounds i'm just saying we might i don't know i mean i train dogs whatever but you know you're going into movies you're fucking fighting what do you got fighting kangaroos this is what we're doing now well you're supposed to take it easy relax just you take a step back you're using your real name for christ's sake what's going on here lenny lenny talk to me here you know what i'm

saying you know i think bobby colorado's my fucking name it might be for all you know what do you know purposes here it doesn't, but let me tell you something. You get yourselves a couple of dogs. Yeah. Everybody looks and all they're going to see is the dogs. Play it low key is all I'm saying. I got to go now. Poof.

And dog shit and marinara sauce. A big cloud. Yeah. Lenny's very confused. Maybe my name. What have you heard? I don't know what's going on. What have you heard?

You heard nothing? He's very confused, but he got another movie role so he's excited he's in a movie called they went that away and that away oh my god that's a terrible title that might be the worst title i've ever heard pretty long small town deputy is ordered by the governor to go undercover posing as a criminal in a maximum security prison shortly after his mission begins the governor dies leaving him and his partner stranded in jail it stars tim conway what yes dorf himself unbelievable that's who it stars lenny plays brick i assume a big criminal in prison somebody legit yeah 5.4 out of 10 on imdb 1979 movie he's in seven what yes no Yes. No. Yes. Yes. Yes. No.

Seven. Hawaii has fallen under the control of a ruthless cartel of seven gangsters. Oh, no. A little different. Oh, God. Yeah, it's very different. The FBI acquires the services of an ex-agent turned assassin who, in turn, assemble a team of seven hitmen to stop them. Oh, Christ.

Seven on seven. Oh oh my god lenny plays the kahuna yep one of them he's probably a boss or one of the seven one of the seven or like the fat guy they got a yeah there's like sitting there eating yeah 6.0 out of 10 now that year as well he is in a little movie called the jerk with steve martin he's in the fucking jerk what is he doing the jerk he's one of the guys when they're talking about cat juggling and he's walking around all those guys are trying to sell him shit those gangsters trying to get him into okay he's one of those guys he's one of the fucking gangster guys he's a con man he's one of the guys trying to scam money out of him when they're talking about

cat juggling and they're talking about investing in this and investing in that after the eyeglasses yeah when he's walking around his house with the karate with the gi outside out there he's what he beats up all those guys yeah yeah wow yeah that's he's one of those guys i had no idea i saw him in that me neither i didn't recognize him either i've seen both of these movies a thousand times never put those two together but he's in the fucking godfather and the jerk two great movies think about who he's worked with yeah elvis to frank sinatra to fucking steve martin to marlon brando i mean richard gear it's wild harvey kytel yeah it's crazy how the people he's worked with isn't that chick in that point in that same ganya yeah like

it's wild darn broke his leg that's what i'm saying like all the wrestlers hitler fez everybody from luthes to steve martin how many people to Steve Martin. He worked with Hitler, James. He worked with Hitler. Well, he worked against Hitler. But he gets, Steve Martin punches him and like does his karate thing. So he got beat up by both Luthez and Steve Martin.

It's pretty awesome. How many people can say they've been beaten up by Luthez and Steve Martin? I think only one. Yeah. And we found him. So he's in The Jerk, which is a great movie.

See The Jerk if you haven't seen The Jerk. My God. What a masterpiece. What is wrong with you? Soon as The Godfather's over. Yeah. Watch that. 1980, a movie Defiance.

Ooh. Tommy takes up temporary housing in a New York City neighborhood plagued by a violent gang. Tommy is waiting for his next assignment as a seaman. Oh, boy. And though he tries to avoid the gang and his neighbors, it does not work. Soon he's battling and not only changing their attitudes, but the attitudes of previously intimidated neighbors as well. Yeah. Cleaning up the neighborhood.

This stars Jan Michael Vincent. What? Danny Aiello and Art Carney from The Honeymooners. Yes. Jan Michael Vincent's dead, right? He is dead. Yeah, I think so. So Lenny plays a character named Wacko.

Okay. 6.3 out of 10. Next, he's in Battle Creek Brawl. A young Asian-American martial artist is forced to participate in a brutal formal street fighting competition. You know who this stars? Bruce Lee. Jackie Chan. Jackie Chan. Very, very street fighting competition. You know who this stars? Bruce Lee. Jackie Chan.

Jackie Chan. Very, very young Jackie Chan. Seriously. Lenny plays John. Okay. 5.8 out of 10 on IMDb. Next is a movie called Below the Belt. I've seen this.

Have you? I think so. A New York City waitress decides to become a professional wrestler. No, I haven't. Yeah. Maybe I have. This is basically glow okay it's the story of the glyph you've watched the glow loved them that's a yeah i'm talking to like the show the show it's it's in that it's great you should watch it's really fucking good

do they have any of the original girls um they use the same characters okay so it's it's girls are like 60 now but god i loved that shit the first season's awesome yeah and then it then it's not that good anymore the last season i saw was fucking terrible. The first season's awesome. Yeah. And then it's not that good anymore. The last season I saw was fucking terrible, but the first season's great. All right, I'll watch it. Mark Maron's hilarious in it, too. Yeah, so all the women are great in it, too. Is it his show?

I mean, he's in it. I wonder if he made it. I think he's a producer. Okay. I'm pretty sure. I don't know, though. So, yeah, apparently she becomes a female wrestler. Female wrestler. So she she's got to wrestle him she's got to wrestle all sorts of shit i think he plays like a promoter fabulous moolah's in it actually really well yeah playing one of the wrestlers so that's weird 5.3 out of 10 81 he's in a movie called dot dot dot all the marbles didn't say so i missed it harry sears manages the california dolls a female

wrestling tag team who tore america hoping for a chance at winning big time harry's also romantically involved with one of them of course their fortunes seem to be uh secondary to him particularly when harry accepts an engagement involving mud wrestling but then a chance at the big ring match beckons in reno nevada yeah you know that's where all the big stuff is in reno this stars peter falk what colombo and burt young paulie from the rocky movie so this is fucking crazy uh lenny plays jerome eddie's bodyguard jesus seems like a bodyguard 6.5 out of 10 next is a movie that i have seen an ungodly amount of footage from for a reason I won't

even get into with you, but it's somebody trying to convince me to hire somebody to do something. A movie called Evil Speak at this point starring Clint Howard. That's right. I said starring Clint Howard. Yeah. Not a lot of movies quote starring Clint Howard. Who the hell is he? Ron Howard's brother. Oh, really? You've seen him. That looks Not a lot of movies, quote, starring Clint Howard. Who the hell is he?

Ron Howard's brother. Oh, really? You've seen him. That looks like a deformed monster. You know who he is, right? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize that was his brother.

Leading role, you think? Not a leading man. He's in everything Ron Howard does. Everything. He's always in a small part. Yeah. But yeah, he's the leading guy in this, and it's directed by a guy named Eric Weston, and that's how I end up knowing, going through the threat.

I've been in that guy's living room, unfortunately. It's a long story. An outcast military cadet taps into a way to summon demons and cast spells on his tormentors through his computer. So they mix technology with devil shit, which has never been done that I can think of since or before. Has it? It's one or the other. mean lawnmower man i guess lawnmower but it wasn't like demons the matrix weird i don't know 5.7 out of 10 next he's on 82 he's on an episode of magnum pi the italian ice episode okay obviously yeah next he's in a movie called pandemonium. A former high school teacher who always wanted to be a cheerleader decides to reopen the cheerleading program at her former high school after years of closure for being targeted by a serial killer.

You close down the program when all the cheerleaders start getting murdered. By the way, this week on Small Town Murder, missing cheerleader. Swear to Christ, this is perfect. This stars Carol Kane. You know, Carol Kane is probably hilarious uh judge reinhold is in this uh phil hartman plays a reporter look at that rest in peace lenny plays a coach in this movie so i don't know 5.3 out of 10 next is a movie called blood song this is where uh a psychopath escapes from a mental institution and starts a murder spree, which ends in the pursuing of a young handicapped girl who once got a blood transfusion from

him. Good Lord. Yes. Lenny plays Skipper and is also credited as a writer slash producer. Okay. So this is Lenny throwing his hand in the ring. There's three credited writers. He's one of them.

Yeah. And also a credited producer here. I love the the idea it's a really interesting idea it's a yeah i'm sure it's it's got to be executed like shit because i don't know anybody in it yeah and it's 4.9 out of 10 on imdb so i'm not gonna i don't like the part where the girl is handicapped i guess because she's got to be ill that's how she could she couldn't she have just needed a transfusion can she have cut her leg on a fence or something maybe your period's too heavy i don't know it's heavy this month it's flowing i'm telling you transfusion hold on tampons ain't gonna work with this one we gotta get a transfusion holy jesus christ over a drain pan my god no the one in the floor put her in the middle where it all flows take her down the jiffy lube

and sit her over one of the bays no shit 4.9 out of 10 there 1989 now he's got a son yeah he's had him a while now obviously his son's name lenny montana jr yeah he's leonard pasifaro jr but lenny montana jr also for hollywood shit now in 1989 funny thing is what it says on his profile now we'll compare this to this article from 1989 that i found in the los angeles times yeah october 27th 1989 a los angeles attorney who's the son of a high-level member of the new york new york sc gambino organized crime family this is not him has been indicted on extortion and forgery charges by the los angeles county grand jury john scoto 28 is accused of trying to extort 50 000 from two hollywood nightclub owners and 126 000 from two other victims scoto's the son of anthony scoto a semi-retired in quotes captain in the gambino family uh the da says scoto came to power and brought on the brooklyn waterfront through his marriage to the daughter of anthony

uh tough tony anastasia so he's a tony anastasia fucking albert anastasia's brother this is he ran the docks uh anastasia's brother uh the younger scoto a malibu resident different lifestyle for him a little bit uh surrendered to officers of Los Angeles Police Department Organized Crime Division, the $150,000 bail, blah, blah, blah. Now, the indictment was handed down and remained sealed until Skodo surrendered. And there's more. indictment were new yorkers natalie cardino 25 and leonard pasafaro jr 31 oh no who also has a close relative associated with the gambino crime family i don't know who else he's related to but his dad's a colombo so that's bad reporting uh pasafaro was arrested in new york and cardino in cancun mexico oh boy they went all the way down there they are charged with two counts of

extortion and attempted extortion. Both will be returned to Los Angeles for arraignment. Attorneys could not be reached. Skoda was alleged to be the mastermind of a 1988 operation in which the other two suspects allegedly used strong arm tactics to extort $50,000 from two Hollywood businessmen who were refurbishing a nightclub. In September 88, Passo Faro and Cardino allegedly threatened to throw the Hollywood businessman out of windows.

Old school gangster shit. I mean, it works, I guess. And harm their families if they did not write two checks totaling 50 grand. Well, fucking gangsters take checks. Yeah. Checks. I'll just throw it in my account.

You figure out how to yeah what are you gonna cash this now they paid the money which prosecutors say ended up in the bank account held by scoto so they literally deposited checks like how fucking stupid are they no denial no denial there uh this is the importing of this is from the uh uh one of the da people this is the importing of the new york mob style extortion into los angeles and we don't condone it well no shit we are stepping in on the spark before it becomes a fire however they said they haven't determined whether the gambino family was directly involved or whether it was just quote freelancing what year was this 89 yeah we prefer to have the colombian

cartels in here with their cocaine rather than those new york italian fellas with their extortion attempts talking about 50 grand versus billions fuck you well they were working with those guys too that's true yeah there was a lot going on their fingers in a lot of pies here fucking hypocrisy he said it's a steady occurrence california's open territory no single mob family is in control that's what it is there's nobody to tell you not to do things there's the law but i mean the law is the law no one's going to kill you right that's the difference in the fall of 88 pasifaro and cardino using the names sunny gold and john marino jesus christ well done boys come on showed up at

a local attorney's office and said scoto was taking over one of his federal cases involving two brothers. He's strong-arming an attorney. You're off that case and my guy's taking it. What the fuck is going on? The two men said that the brothers wanted back $35,000 in legal fees that they had paid that lawyer as well. And they want their fucking money back. You're a bum. Who do they think they are?

Joe Pesci and casino that's what i mean they after allegedly being threatened the attorney gave them checks totaling 26 000 made out to the brothers uh authorities alleged that scoto forged the endorsements and that money ended up in his bank account he was also charged with forgery then scoto it's a tough time to be a letty montana yeah i mean i I almost feel bad for him, but not nearly as bad as I feel for Lenny Montana, a student at BB. I don't know what that is, but Washington, D.C., Baltimore area. A young man student.

I don't know what that is, but that's the only Lenny Montana I could find. Right now he's a student. Right now. He's on LinkedIn as a student. You almost feel bad. So that ends up happening. Lenny has to watch. He's a student right now. He's on LinkedIn as a student. He almost feel bad now. So that ends up happening. Lenny has to watch his kid be a fuck up a little bit here at that time anyway, or at least be allegedly be a fuck up. May 12th, 1992.

Lenny has a heart attack in Lindenhurst, New York. Oh, no. And he dies. Oh, the bastard. Sixty six years old. Lenny passes away. But he's a he's so big. that's that's a life lived that's a life yeah that guy lived a lot of life yeah think about what he ate too i mean as much as he put in his body i can't believe he lived that long years it's what yeah so 66 and like i said for a big guy that's just like my grandfather my grandfather died same age

same year was born like the same year in lyndhurst same thing lyndhurst always no so he is buried at the saint charles cemetery in east farmingdale in suffolk county new york now lenny montana jr what he has now in his like kind of wiki page here uh is says quote he's known as limping Lenny, a Los Angeles area restaurateur and alleged member of the Los Angeles crime family. He's the son of Lenny Montana, blah, blah, blah. Montana Jr. is believed to be born in his father's native Brooklyn, blah, blah, blah. Moved to Los Angeles. Why is there so much mystery?

A lot of mystery. Although he has never been convicted of a crime nor indicted. What? Wait, what? Pasifaro was arrested in New York. The extortion. They were indicted. Returned to Los Angeles.

They were extradited. So that's definitely indicted. He wrote his own wiki. Yeah. Never been in trouble, which is rumors. Well, I don't know. I found some trouble. I don't know.

What'd you hear? I mean, hey, I don't know. What are you talking about? That was 30 years ago though i mean let's who knows who knows here uh so uh yeah he said that he's basically a member of what they call the now dormant los angeles crime family they said basically he was made a member of the family during the late 80s and early 90s under my la mob boss peter milano and he said he allegedly ran a bookie and operates in sports betting and shit like that that was what they thought he did now at this point for the last 20 years he is the owner of enzo's pizzeria in westwood

village in california there yeah uh which opened in 2000 and uh he says it says he's appeared in actor actor in minor roles in a few low budget movies i can only find one part that he was in in some nothing movie but that's fine um enzo's pizzeria in westwood home of the 23 inch pizza it says on its websites they make a big fucking seems like a lot 16 inches a large pizza normally so 23 is 18 large isn't it 16 is it yeah normal your standard not chain restaurant bullshit a pizza place 16 is large 14 is medium okay 12 is small but out here you got 18 is extra large and 14 is large sometimes there's eight there's eight inch pizzas fucking disgusting so he says starting in early 2000 a group of of friends decided Los Angeles needed a New York-style, a real New York-style pizzeria, not just one they claimed to be. So when the opportunity arose to grab a location in the heart of Westwood Village, the guys went into action, and Enzo's Pizzeria was born.

Enzo's Pizzeria was born. Inspired by the owner's father, Lenny Montana, better known as Luca Brazzi of Godfather fame, Lenny Montana Jr. and a couple of friends opened up shop, using only the best and freshest ingredients available to make our pastas, sandwiches, and salads, and of course, our award-winning pies. Enzo's Pizzeria quickly took over the neighborhood. Jesus. Took over the neighborhood? Yeah. Very mobster.

And became a UCLA sensation. Five pizzerias in the immediate area closed in the following two years. We shut them down, Jimmy. Huh? I mean, you know, a little encouraging, never hurt. Our pizza's reputation shuts down other ones. Now riding on over a decade as the undisputed pizza kings in the area enzos has no plans on slowing down come in and enjoy just ask for lenny yeah so you can go on in and talk and find out and things i wouldn't do it if i were you but the

mob doesn't exist no that doesn't exist obviously it's not there so that everybody yeah oh can't get enough yeah watch the goddamn godfather period and then the jerk yeah just do those two things because nothing else you're gonna find you're not gonna go uh he was in so many movies he's in a lot of movies there's a lot of like autograph stuff is out there godfather memorabilia has made him a star he made him a star man everybody knows who who he is you know who he is he would have been just some wrestler colombo family member seven grand ain't shit in comparison to what it's going to do for your life later and he's luca brazzi so i mean what it did for every time he walked in anywhere i was like oh it's luca brazzi like he was a very famous character

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