Crime in Sports - #241 - Digging In A Dark Place - The Reticentness of Chris Dawson

Episode Date: January 12, 2021

This week, we head down under for the tale of a rugby player, turned high school teacher, who seemed to have an idyllic life, complete with wife, kids & custom built dream house. That is, until he moved a 16 year old girl into his home, and his wife disappeared into thin air. Was he the dashing, kind hearted man that he seemed to be, or was he a violent, manipulative control freak, who had a penchant for young girls? Find out! Marry your high school sweetheart, do everything in your life with your twin brother, and don't report your wife missing for 6 weeks, after she disappears with Chris Dawson!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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She's so mad. That's the least of her concerns in that movie. The least of them, honestly. They painted pregnant women to be just the worst people on earth. Yeah, they did kind of do that. But, you know, it's funny, too, but I've had two kids, and I didn't see it as, oh, they're exaggerating. I was like, oh, that's how pregnant ladies are. That's just, that's how I saw it. kids and I didn't see it as, oh, they're exaggerating. I was like, oh, that's a break point.

That's just that's how I thought. Maybe. I don't know. I've been through it twice. I don't know how many times she's been through it. That's what I mean. I don't know. Maybe at that point.

Maybe have some self-awareness, Catherine. Yeah. My bigger problem was she's supposed to be like 23 in that movie. Yeah. I don't think so. 32, 23. I was like, maybe she's dyslexic. Calm down.

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use our email address crime and sports at gmail.com if you just want to be a producer and have good karma yeah and not worry about bonus stuff but that said let's get to this great because we have so much here this is insane and we have an australian we're going down under again i love it where we have never been we've never been let down yeah from under it's true from australia we just never have it's what there's certain things on crime and sports where we just know if it's a wrestler buckle up great you know it's going to be crazy you know it's going to be fun things like that if it's anybody from australia just buckle up we the last one ben cousins i don't know we did uh paul hayward or was he from new zealand but he played in australia correct and

then went to a thai prison yeah where where um rats in the shit pipes rats ate bit at your asshole while you shit into a hole in the ground rats would pop out not even a shit pipe just just a hole yeah that's i thought but isn't that where paul calvin yeah i think it is no i think it's what he just popped up there obviously there he needed to those shit pipes needed some work but we are getting into this with a teammate of that guy paul hayward his name was this is a teammate of his right from that time this team somehow the new town jets had the so many criminals on it and such a small amount of people. And there's other weird things about this team.

But, yeah, he's a teammate. It's Christopher Michael Dawson. Chris Dawson is his name. Okay. Date of birth is July 26, 1948. He's from Sydney, Australia, obviously. The capital. The capital there.

He's born in Sydney. He's a Sydney, Australia, obviously. The capital. The capital there. He's born in Sydney. He's a twin. Oh. He's an identical twin as well. It wasn't me. It was my brother. There's always weirdness there. That's what I'd say about everything.

Everything. Have you talked to my brother about this? I don't know what that is. I wasn't there. Who's my brother knows? I didn't see him. It might have been my brother. Yeah?

I'm not sure. We look alike. He's the second born of the twins. Okay. I didn't see him. It might have been my brother. I'm not sure. We look alike. He's the second born of the twins. So he's the youngest. He's the youngest of a minute later. They also have an older brother who we'll talk about. An older brother who's an attorney, which will come in handy later on. He's the other Manning.

Yeah, exactly. He's not a rugby player, but he does that. His twin brother is Paul Dawson, who also plays on the Newtown Jets at the same time as he does. Yes. So they had twins playing on the same team. They ended up on the same team. Which is super weird. That's bizarre. I don't know why.

It's so strange. It gets weirder with that team. Tiki and Rondé never played on the same team, right? I don't think they did. I don't think so. At least they played offense and defense. Yeah, that would change things up a smidge. At least you'd know who was who.

You'd know who was who. Exactly. At least these guys play the same position, too. So they just come in and switch out on each other in different lines or whatever. I don't know if it's like hockey, but they come in and switch out. So it's so strange. The same guy there standing before you with a different jersey on. I think that may have happened in the NBA with Robin and his other brother.

The Lopez boys? Yeah. I think they were, did they play on the same team? Robin and the lesser Lopez? Yeah. Robin and the- Robin was better. Yeah.

They're still in the NBA. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I forget. I don't remember. I feel like they may have crossed paths at like the Knicks or Chicago. I don't know. They had like different hair though. Yeah.

So it was, you could tell them apart. And they are identical twins, but they are not identical twins. Yeah. They had a different. Yeah. These guys are like carbon copy. Oh my. Dressed the same.

Same haircut. Same. Like they came out of the same machine. They dress the same. Weird. Yeah. They're really into being twins. Oh, I hate being twins like their twinness is creepy gross it's really creepy throughout this whole thing their parents names are sid and joan syd sid which is a very australian dad name i feel

like sid sid lived in sydney sid from sydney i feel like that is a very, very Australian name. He attended Sydney Boys High School, where he was a prefect. What is that? Exactly. That's what I said. I was like, what the hell is a prefect? It's not a perfect. Sounds like he's doing circumcisions or something.

It's like a non-Jewish moil. Catholic moil? Yeah, not Catholic, though. Whatever's going on in Australia. I don't know what the hell they do down there. Baptist moil or whatever the fuck? There's going on in australia i don't know what the hell they do down there baptist moyle or whatever the fuck there's no baptist in australia i highly doubt it australians i don't know but let me know are there like southern baptists there i can't imagine that somebody's screaming about fire and brimstone and a costal offshoot and

swinging a rattlesnake around i can't picture that happening in perth i just don't see it they're swinging a snake around for another reason and because it was in their shoes shit-faced about something don't get me wrong i'm not saying they're air conditioning vent yeah yeah i just don't think jesus is the no it's the cause of their rent i think it's something i don't know what kind of religion aust has. Do they have much? You know what? They lead in not almost not. What is agnostic atheism? Atheism. I almost called him.

Well, most of the world is in Europe and everywhere else. It's people are kind of just like they just kind of even if they're quote unquote religious. It's kind of like we talked about last week with Northeast Catholics. It's like there's not really all into it or it or anything whereas i think australia leads in in atheism yeah well that's not good job good for you guys so uh a prefect is not religious at all although even it's definitely said like he covers up the diddlings or something right he's like the diddle lookout he wears a charm on a chain of some sort yeah it's a that's a signal yeah to the other prefect and i guess in some schools this is i looked it up a senior student authorized to enforce

discipline so a glorified hall monitor yeah pretty much to keep but authorized to discipline discipline i don't know if that's to write people up or to paperwork or are we paddling people is it like a frat house in there we don't it's an all boys school so anything's possible and i have no idea what the standards are like in australia in the 60s yeah you know you could have been well that's a scrotum paddling and then you had to just that was it you're 10 minutes late that's a pencil for every five minutes somebody grabs one leg someone grabs the other and it's and it's a paddling. We're going to wallop your testes, eh? And they just start fucking wailing on him with a fucking fungo. So I don't know.

You never know. So in 1965, he actually meets a girl. Shockingly enough, going to an all-boys high school. It's a big event for him. Oh, my God. Not at school, obviously. No, no. At a high school. It's a big event for him. Oh my God. Not at school, obviously. No, no. At a high school function.

Okay. All of these boys schools and girls schools back in the day, they used to have functions. Where they mix them. Yeah, they'd have mixers. A mixer.

It's hard to have a dance at an all boys school in the 50s. I mean, it's possible. It's possible, but in the 50s they were probably not, you know,

wasn't as okay in society. Yeah. So they'd have to mix these kids together somehow so that plus it's weird otherwise right you need to i don't know about girls they're probably fine on their own but like boys i'll bet they do great they probably do better boys although they will kill each other if left alone for too long in the same room but it'll form the craft one way or another something bad will have they'll ostracize one girl and then yeah systematically make them all try to cut her hair in the bathroom off themselves yeah bad two in the morning haircuts right all sorts of shit's going on but boys if if you let that go on yeah and don't mix any any estrogen into the system and you just have a boy they will form an angry mob

you know that is fascinating they'll form a. They'll have people like humping the walls. They'll go feral. Boys will go feral. Girls will kill each other, but boys will create people that will kill women. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Well, boys will go feral.

Yeah. They need. They'll damage a boy so poorly, so much much that he will be a serial killer it's true that's what they end up doing yeah you put too many pencils in a boy's ass and he takes it out on people that he can put pencils in something i'm gonna i got a pencil i got a pencil form it's just a strange thing though with it because boys just turn into we're not we can't be left alone like that it's not good we definitely need some other force introduced into our world. A hierarchy always remains, too.

Do you know what I mean? Like in movies and shit where you pick on a guy too long and then he can't take it anymore and he beats up the big guy. That doesn't happen. That's not how it works. You pick on a boy long enough and then he realizes he can't fight men and then he hurts women and children. The reason why he took it for so long is because he can't beat that guy up generally if somebody's removed from the situation that's the

way that's how he won in boy world if someone's fucking with you and you think you can kick their ass you do right that's how it works and if not then you take the shit for a while or you come up with a plan yeah or like you said you end up being uh bottled up and that's what happens with fucking rage like the the Iceman. Yeah. You know, the Iceman serial killer, obviously, mob hit man there. His dad beat the living shit out of him all the time and all the time, and he said, it made me angry.

I took it out on everybody else. I bet you. And Park Dietz even was like, no, that's- That makes sense. That's why. If it wasn't for your dad, you would have- You probably would have been fine. Probably would have went a way different way if you weren't beaten and everything else.

But I don't know how the hell we got on this. Oh, yeah. Because of schools. They socialized them. So at a dance, he meets a young lady named Lynette. Yeah. Oh, boy. Lynette Joy Sims he meets.

She's born in 1948. Also, she's two months older than him. Okay. So same grade, same everything. She's blonde. He's blonde. It's us. she's blonde he's blonde it's us everybody's blonde of course let's be honest here what do you got about a 92 percent blonde ratio down there they're blonde and pink i've never seen an australian that's not blonde where are

you guys coming from yeah or mel gibson busby's black he's got black everything mel gibson russell crowe's not blonde no they probably were at some point when they were children they definitely had blonde hair running around yeah yeah but uh running around i'm sure shirtless around the australian countryside black everything that sounded weird busby's got a black beard that's why it's black beard well yeah i don't know what else he's got big black cock too actually it's huge it's very strange middle-aged white man yeah Yeah, yeah. He's black hair, pink skin, huge black dick. Veiny black cock. It's wild.

Like a fire hose. Sounds very heavy. Yeah. So he meets her. She really likes him right away. He's very, he's charismatic. He's a good athlete and all that sort of thing. And he's very charming.

Yeah. Chris is a charmer always. His brother is the more dominant personality of the twins okay his brother almost uh even though they're like a minute apart his brother is clearly the older brother okay it seems like it's he's got the play chris we're gonna go do this and then chris does it with him you know what i mean that sort of shit but he's got a great charisma and he's very charming nice smile nice kind of guy like that even uh lynn lynn lynette or lynn we'll call her his her mother loved chris loved him right away whole family loved him i mean he was

just they were taken by him immediately so much so in 1970 when they're both 21 years old they get married oh boy so young love right out of high school. And then a few years go by. They get married at St. Jude's Church in Randwick. Here's their wedding picture. Okay. So you can see. My word. I mean, they look like they take that picture and carve that.

And then people put it at the top of an Australian wedding cake. Because that's the two people that get married in Australia. Oh, my. It is hot in Australia. Jesus. Look how suntanned their faces are. Everybody's tan. Yeah.

It's like Arizona. The bridge of the nose and right under the eyes. You have a whole country of Arizona, which is frightening. It is. Yeah. It's a lot of land. It's a lot of land. All Arizona.

It's all Arizona. It's all fire. And then some ocean. Yeah. And then it catches on fire. All the time. And it's a mess. Yeah. So there they they are they'll end up having two daughters later on chanel and sharon sharon i don't know they both start with sh so there's that i feel like that's on purpose um now lynette's

aunt said quote he was just so gorgeous of course you always believed him like he they said he was just a good looking guy and a real a real charmer um but another one of uh lynette's relatives said but behind closed doors he was a monster a domineering control control freak oh that's awful so that's the um this guy kind of has two what he presents and what he really is yes where are what people say he is and a lot of people say it and two two different women and their families say it and we'll get into it though but he's got definitely two distinct who he is in the public eye is way kind of different than behind closed doors it seems here now both chris and paul played rugby union now there's different rugby okay okay there's rugby league and rugby union. Now, there's different rugby. Okay. Okay.

There's rugby league and rugby union. Yeah. Okay. Those are different. I believe it. So, not like they're different leagues, like they're whatever. They're different sports. What?

Okay. Rugby league and rugby. Come on, guys. You got different rules? Be fucking for rugby? You know what I'm saying? Jeez. Let's not be so

fucking good you want okay yeah i get that you you want people to understand what you're doing everybody does okay if we have a sport we want to show everybody hey look at what we got it's fun great i understand you love rugby we all get behind this you gotta try and i don't die not just for the outside world for yourselves. Yeah. For yourselves. You got to try to streamline shit. So at least it has different names. I get it. That it's similar. Yeah.

Call us something else. But you can't call two things. But they did, James. They call it union and league. They have done this. So they played rugby union for Eastern Suburbs. Eastern Suburbs Rugby Union Football Club is a I looked it up. This is their Wikipedia here here it's a team in

the in trust super shoot shield the premier rugby union football competition in new south wales so apparently it's a top tier team here they're based in rose bay the eastern suburbs of sydney and they were founded in 1900 they've won a total of 77 nswru premiership titles titles or shields across all grades as well as nine club championships okay i don't know what that means well there's only been 120 of them so that's pretty impressive i don't know yeah do you just get that for showing up does that mean you participated in a whole season right is that like a you a, you know, is that like a ribbon? I don't know what the premiership title or shield. It sounds impressive.

But then they go to championships, which sounds more impressive. And there's less of them. So he, Chris. Okay. He's with his brother the whole time. He plays with his brother. Right. He is known from the other players as Cranky Chris.

Oh. All right. So he's a dick. Yeah. He's kind of the like we said the other brother is the paul is the older brother yeah he's more of kind of the more mature yeah and then obviously that extra minute that chris came out is that's when he got he's behind yeah he's behind okay um his older brother was known as passiveive Paul. So apparently, not very creative down there in sports. They needed one Italian guy on the team to give out.

You got to alliterate everything, too? Just alliteration left and right. I was going to say, they needed one Italian guy from New Jersey on the team. Just to name them weird shit? Just to give out nicknames. You know what I mean? Frankie Chris. Come here.

Get the fuck out of here, Frankie Chris. Look at this guy. Look at him. I don't know. Come up with something good for him you know nobody gives out nicknames better than italian people we're the best at we're literally the best at it i don't care usually uh it's usually it has to do with how you murder how you murder how you whatever there's a listen to like any mob book and listen to how guys got their nicknames and you're like that's fucking brilliant it's pretty good it's brilliant yeah it's always uh it's it's i love it so much

so this is terrible though you should be ashamed of yourselves australia what the hell is wrong with they're only doing it with alliteration that's the only way they can do yeah dumb yeah that's what i mean suppose you have a name that doesn't right you know what if your name is zach fat tony doesn't sound they're not a little but it fucking gives you what he is it's fat Tony describes a lot yeah it does it really does you put that you can see that guy you see fat cranky Chris I don't know what the passive Paul that's weak man yeah that's like a weak first attempt at garbage pail right yeah they're like what do you think and they're like they're a little mild maybe we should spice they're a little mild.

Maybe we should spice them up a little bit. I think we can go a lot harder than that. I think we can go risque on it a little bit. I'll bet we could throw Booger into a couple of them. Yeah, I mean, Passive Paul. Was he just standing there? Just a guy standing there. Passive Paul.

It's a shitty card. Nobody wants that one. It's a really shitty card. What's he doing? Well, maybe it's like one of those where if you turn it in the light it does a different reflection that's the one that you will stick to things because you're not keeping you don't care fuck this card stuck it yeah you put it under the desk at school so uh uh why a uh it was somebody said quote wow i really had a hard time getting that one i don't know who the hell said this somebody said somebody said some shit

and i'm going to talk about it right amongst their football teammates chris and paul generally stuck to themselves that was their oh yeah they were if you have your own like twin you have plenty of time to hang out with each other i don't know why you can't hang out with each other with everybody else you probably sleep in the same bed yeah some twins have a weird thing going on uh they appear to be introverted and vulnerable without each other's support. They're always together. It's very weird. Their entire lives.

They move together. They have houses in the same neighborhood all the time that are within walking distance of each other. If one moves to another city, everybody's families pick up and move to that city. It's like they're one kid. Yeah. It's a company move. It's very strange like some sort of like uh fundamentalist mormon compound or something well if he moves if he doesn't move

then we're going to be late paying all our bills because he has that gene that reminds me to pay the mortgage yeah otherwise i don't know he's coming with us and i have to tell him to how to cook meals he doesn't know recipes i got all the take a look at the gas gauge in the car i got all this i run out of gas he never knows so i looked at the they're gonna play for newtown jets after this right what we've talked about before so i looked up the the league to find out and i found some of these names of the teams are awesome i love foreign country even minor league american teams are great so i found they have the ball main tigers i don't know where the canterbury bankstown what is that i don't know what a bankstown is is that a thing i don't know is that like a neighborhood is that a noun or is that a fucking proper noun is that a place

bankstown this weekend to buy tile yeah i don't know you know bankstown you know how it goes there carpet can't get carpeting anywhere for the best price you're gonna get it is in bankstown you know how it goes there carpet can't get carpeting anywhere for the best price you're gonna get it is in bankstown as always industrial carpeting is never cheaper than in bankstown now the cronulla sutherland sharks that's good that's good the sharks that's a good one you're by the water probably eastern suburbs roosters that's the one there. What? The roosters. The eastern suburbs. The Manly Warringah Sea Eagles. Jesus. That is something right there.

I like that one. The Manly ones? The Manly Warringah Sea Eagles. Manly is, I think, the place. Manly or something. I don't know. Newtown Jets. North Sydney Bears.

You've got to have a Bears. The Parramatta Eels. Wow, is that an Italian team they brought in? Parramatta sounds like a type of ham, doesn't it? Or a way to prepare eels. Do I want the prosciutto or the parramatta? Give me a half pound of the prosciutto

and a half pound of the... Give me a half of the parramatta. I'll mix them together and make a sandwich. Is it Geno's Parramatta? That's the one I want. Yeah, I want that. And some of the Locatelli I want, too. Some of the Parmesan.

As long as it's Geno's, I'll eat it. Yeah, I'll eat it. I'll check it out. The Penrith Panthers, which alliteration. I love it down there. Of course I did. The St. George Dragons, which sounds very British. It does.

South Sydney Rabbitohs. Yeah, that's a good team. The Rabbitohs. Yeah, they got rap. It's a cool jersey. It's red and green. It's a pretty bitchin' jersey. I like it a lot.

What's up with the rabbit in it? I don't understand what the Rabbitoh is, but it's just a rabbit. What does that mean, Australia? It's a hair. I don't know. It's a fucking rabbit on the jersey. It's a cool jersey. All right.

The Western Suburbs Magpies. It always looks Christmas when they're playing because it's a very bright green and red. I like festive. You'd enjoy it in December. That's good. In fucking February, they can pound sand. So now, okay. They had to switch from union to league yeah for this this is called switching codes

yeah okay which this doesn't happen all the time this is actually not common okay because the games are different want to know how they're different i'd love it because i looked it up and it's fucking hilarious because we don't know the difference between one or the other we couldn't identify either one of them yeah so to point the differences out will be awesome for us to try to figure out. So here it is. This is the history of it. Initially, following the 1885 split in rugby football. Yeah.

1885. So they've had a hundred and like fucking 25 years to figure out different names and they couldn't do it. It's still union and league yeah pathetic okay rugby union and rugby league differed in administration only soon however the rules of the rugby league were modified resulting in two distinctly different forms of rugby with the same basic name after 100 years in 1995 rugby union joined rugby league and most other forms of football as an openly professional sport okay there's one this is weird as shit okay these similarities between rugby union and rugby league have at times led to the possibility of a merger of the two

variants and experimental hybrid games have been played that use a mix of the sports two rules which sounds very confusing for fans of either or yeah that just sounds odd they can do that in this one can they do that shit but neither knows that they can do that because it's a fucking hybrid who knows i mean who do we how do you find out it's not a rule in our league ours either i don't know what the fuck they're doing what they're doing they made up a new rule i don't know why they can kick each other now let's ask ask Paul Hogan. He knows everything. They go to his house.

He's like the Yoda. He has a blooming onion when he answers the door. He's got a blooming onion for everyone. Hi, everybody. Who wants some onion? Come on in. I chopped this with my knife. I don't know why I gave him a southern accent.

I know. If he was an American, he would have a heavy southern accent would it blow your mind to find out that he's like from west virginia and he we're all snowed the bayou louisiana he's from louisiana that's what all the gators gators crocs same thing it's the same thing he would love it i want that so bad i would love that down there i want that to be like on his deathbed be like i got all of you uh i'm really i'm really from home of louisiana hurricane katrina ruined my life oh damn it go pelicans that's fantastic i want that so bad i want that so bad it'd be amazing it's all fake gotcha and then he keels over i made so much money off them crocodile movies

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whim like right now no but from the same guy probably he got pills too if he wants them we call him general because he's the general store around these parts so uh let's see here general gerald because we lack literation around here and his name's gerald holy fuck so uh jesus christ rugby union apparently was originally referred to as rugby football but okay during the early development of rugby football different schools use different rules on many occasions agreeing upon them shortly before commencement of the game again which sounds like utter chaos yeah at that point imagine a football game like so this game no okay you only need to get one foot inbound and it's bounds for

it to be a catch yeah and there's no such thing as pass interference. Or I play. You'd be like, fuck, do we play that game now? That's a different game plan. Neutral zones don't exist. Doesn't exist. Just encroach away. It's just the line.

Encroach away. As many people in motion as you want, offense. Just run around like a fire drone. Wide receivers don't have to be on the line. You can step back a bit. No, but the offensive linemen don't either. Just everybody can run around like their heads on fire. It's up to you.

We got a freedom. Safeties don't have to wear helmets. No. The only safeties, though. Everyone else has to wear two helmets. That's how it works. Those are the rules. Today, we're going with kickers, no shoes.

That's what we're doing. No shoes. That's it. And they all have to play quarterback. It is 12 degrees and snowing. We said no shoes. No shoes, Rich Carlos. That's what we're doing. That's it. And they all have to play quarterback. It is 12 degrees and snowing. We said no shoes. No shoes, Rich Carlos. Get out there.

That's a good old Denver Bronco reference. You're going to play for 30 years. Who gives a shit? That was so weird to see a guy trotting around in the snow with one. Put a shoe on. What's wrong with you? Freaking weirdo. Yeah.

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It's an all-new season. It's streaming. you can say anything judy justice only on freebie like that a proposal to pay players up to six shillings when they mixed missed work because of match commitments was voted down by the rfu oh boy uh rfu you're not getting paid shit so on august 27th 1895 prominent lancashire clubs declared they would support the yorkshire colleagues in their proposal to form a professional organization called the northern rugby football union so that's how they did that uh the rugby union authorities issued sanctions against clubs, players, and officials involved in the offshoot group, including amateurs who played with or against Northern Union sides.

So this was just a big thing here. So after the schism, the separate codes were named Rugby Union for the RFU and Rugby League for the NU. So that's how it worked here and then in 1906 all black uh george william smith not all black like mark busby played on the team joined with albert henry baskerville who should solve crimes in his spare time i feel like a picture of very sherlock holmes looking man there don't you what is his name albert henry baskerville yeah don't you that sounds very official it's a lot of words yeah like if my mom is murdered i want him on the case albert henry we have albert henry baskerville in from scotland yard i'd be like oh shit yeah it's on now scotland

yard certainly follows that name fucking on now so uh they uh they formed a team of professional rugby players george smith cabled a friend in Sydney, and the three professional matches were arranged, and that's how it all started here. The rugby league, so that's basically the deal here. So since then, they've been kind of fighting, I guess. Not fighting, but they've been, it's two, you either like one or you like the other with the fans,

pretty much, it seems like, from what I've read've read i could be completely wrong but i'm not sure uh new york times said about it quote 13 man rugby league has shown itself to be faster more open game of better athletes than the other code rugby union is trying to negotiate its own escape from amateurism with some officials admitting that the game is too slow the law is too convoluted to attract a larger tv following the other game's faster yeah they're paying players so it's basically like as if uh if people really liked arena football instead of the nfl yeah exactly it would be like but it's different because these guys one is paying and one like kind of isn't it's a limited thing they're paying but it's a limited it's just different yeah it's it's it's you're getting more money that's going to get better

athletes faster game yeah better to watch obviously here so um uh now jesus oh i hear some rules i found here which i don't understand at all this is not going to be good this is this is going to be ugly uh possession may change in rugby league in a number of ways oh this is compared to rugby union oh they have oh my god this makes no sense at all jerry ways to get the ball possession may change it's the same way in both games okay when a ball is kicked to the opposing team this can be done at any time but it's normal to punt on the last tackle in rugby league well i mean if you have up until the last tackle why would you want to do it anytime before that why wouldn't you why wouldn't you wait until the end right i mean i guess if you

want to like get it all done ahead of time sure but i like to procrastinate i'm gonna do it on the last one do it in the last fucking opportunity right you know uh following an unsuccessful kick at goal if the kick at goal misses and goes dead play is restarted without a dropout at the 22 meter line okay so it's like a touchback yeah that's what i'm thinking here when an opposing player intercepts a pass that seems pretty obvious when the player in possession drops a fumble all right when there's a fumble if a player knocks the ball forward or throws a forward pass the other team is awarded a scrum yeah which we know all about that We know all about the scrum. That's what I mean.

They pin a little thing that looks like a nutsack to your jersey. That means you're awarded a scrum, and then you hand it in later on when you want to cash it in. For your juice box. It ends the game. That's it. And then a man teabags you. So in some cases, the referee may allow play to continue by the team picking up a dropped ball under the advantage we're like no idea what any of that means okay we don't know what that means so

let's move on to the newtown jets 1972 team uh look their biggest home crowd that year 9598 that's a lot 9600 grand oh yeah 9500 people We'd love to have that. Fuck yeah. It'd be amazing. So everybody, for the live show, let's outdraw the Newtown Jets versus St. George in round 18 from 1972. We're pretty close. Let's do it. Yeah. So their average home crowd, 5,697 there. And their top point scorer was Ken Wilson with 97.

That seems like a lot. That seems like a lot. is paul arc here's chris yeah look at him go my oh he's got a headband that's his card that's his uh cards of course yeah rugby cards man check them out ah their football he's running he's got that giant football there this is a white with gold stripes on it which is the front looks like a giant titty it looks like a christmas ornament this thing yeah white with the gold stripes is that a gold stripe they're gold those stripes i think they're brown or something but it looks like a christmas it really does looks like you'd hang it from a tree if it was smaller it's like a huge egg that he's can't don't touch

me egg don't touch me egg they're trying to get me egg so uh there's that 1973 on newtown manly warringa was the top uh road draw for him that year 9407 they had that many people ken wilson had 101 goals scored our point score that year so that ken wilson's a fucking beast he's good at this i don't know if that's a lot but it's the most they had seems like a lot it's it really does now chris is playing in the second row which i don't know how important that is what that means do they have four rows yeah i wish everybody was here for that jimmy do they have four rows i just gave him the blankest look ever no Who knows? I can't even make up an answer to that. Maybe they do, Jimmy. Possible. Maybe they have 10. If they have six, they certainly have four, right?

Then they have four. If they have eight, then they're six. There might only be three. There could be three. Either way, we know they have two. At least two. Because he's in the second one of them, so I don't know anything beyond that. Either way, him and his brother Paul are both the same position in the same deal here for the jets here uh the dawson brothers were part of the new south wales rugby league championship

winning team of 1973 got himself a rugby he's a ring he's kicking ring who knows it's i think that's what they give out it's a cock ring well it's a cock ring. Well, it's a scrum. Yeah. They give you out a scrum, which is a... They pierce your scrum. There's some hair on it. It's a weird award. It's very strange. And then they give you the golden cock ring, which I feel like is... The golden Prince Albert.

Yeah. That's what it is. Right through the tip. And you take that. There you go, everybody. Well, it's a choice. Yeah. Not everyone's into that.

Right. But if you want the cock ring, you take the cock ring. He's a fucking nail gun. I mean... Throw your balls if you want. What are you take the cock ring he's a fucking nail gun hey who knows so in 1974 this is the weirdest stat i've ever heard in the history of any team yeah there's like 18 guys on the team basically there's not a lot of people on a rugby team sure under 20 or 20 or whatever there's not it's not a football team it's not like 53 like american football or whatever or like a college team with 100 in 1974

that season the newtown jets had five sets of brothers on the team think about that tell sports ever done that yeah like half the team more than half the team was sets of bro i've never heard of this before that's unbelievable is that the weirdest stat you've ever heard so weird and like multiple of them are criminals as well really fucked up well paul hayward and then we have chris dawson obviously and then gary sullivan's on the team as well and his brother we will that is obviously not shitting you gary sullivan and his brother are both gary and rob sullivan are both on the team it's like they sat him down at the interview and we're like you're hired yeah got a brother your brother well that was before you're hired

yeah like okay we like everything you know your stats you're amazing we love your athleticism you're the only thing we didn't know let me ask you this though do you have a brother is he good at rugby will he play will he play no you have a brother? Is he good at rugby? Will he play? Will he play? No? You got a young dad, maybe? Can we get somebody in here? A Ken Griffey situation happening?

How close is your uncle? Yeah, what are we talking about here? Can a cousin maybe we can... They got five sets of brothers, ten people in total. Our brothers, Gary and Rob Sullivan, Kevin and John Bradstock, Lionel and Henry Williamson, Brian and Mark Robertson, and then twins Chris and Paul Dawson. That is so weird. That's the weirdest statistic in the history of sports. It's almost like they did that on purpose.

They obviously like having brothers on the team. I don't know if on the field they feel like they gel better together. They gel or there's more of a fight for your brother. I don't know what the hell it is or i don't even know or if it's like you just have like a replacement like their backup is like their brother so it's like he's sort of like him you just throw him in there yeah at least half the same dna it's so strange it's like i mean that the orioles had cal and billy ripken yeah great you know basketball Great. You know, basketball teams have a couple of guys, football teams have a couple of guys,

but five, five of them. I've never, I've never heard of two. I've never heard of that'd be wild. Like, isn't that weird? Two sets of brothers on the same team.

Five. That's unbelievable. It's so fucked up. Chris is a really, he's known as a, like he's got a big image. Yeah. Cause he plays for this team.

They won a championship. He, him and his twin, you know for this team. They won a championship. Him and his twin, they stand out because they're twins. Everybody knows the Barbers because they're fucking twins. For sure. They were also really good, but you know them a little bit more because they're those identical twins. Pretty handsome, the both of them, too. And they're both handsome. They're both well-spoken.

They're both good on TV. They both look amazing bald. They're both incredible bald. They're roundness. It's so smooth. Even if they might have beautiful heads of hair, don't have them because your head is gorgeous bald.

It's perfect. Yeah, there's no reason to have hair. If there's ever been a perfect bald head, it's Tiki and Rhonda. It's the barbers. It would be a travesty to grow hair. Truly. It reallybers. It would be a travesty to grow hair. Truly. It really would. It would be an injustice to yourself and to your parents.

To your scalp, Jimmy. That's what it's an injustice to. You shave that thing. Not even shave it. Just wax it. You're permanent. Find a laser place that'll treat your head and keep it like that forever. Forever.

Forever. So Lynette here, Lynn, Chris's wife, her uncle bob sims said that chris at this time quote was like a film star okay in that area he was just this huge star um the team was good and he's a handsome guy and you know they he's treated very well him and his brother have a lot of endorsements okay they do commercials they do like print ads oh that's so easy stores and she that's what i mean sell so much shit and they yeah absolutely and they fucking they get they make good money from that and it just makes them even more famous even though on the field they're not really

not that impressive they're not they're not like you know the stars of the team the leading scorers they're not in any of that shit they're just they stand out the people's champ the people's champion yeah so uh he says uh this is the uncle again in fact he starred in a couple of television ads he seemed to be a good style of a man back then but i think it went to their heads he and his twin brother yeah obviously we knew he meant yeah well obviously yeah there calm down he and his twin brother in case you didn't know that's what we mean but uh i'll show you a picture of them in an ad in a minute and you'll be like oh boy yeah it's that's how does that not go to your head a little bit here but he's that's what he's like the him and his brother are like that's

what an australian man is right there athletic blonde yeah you know just fucking uh smiley yeah that kind of guy so in uh in 1975 he and his brother appeared on an episode of the abc program checkerboard with a q of course uh devoted to the special relationship between twins this is when you start to see some of the weirdness in a public forum here uh during that program the brothers were filmed watching each other as they lifted weights in front of a mirror what which is the maybe the most i don't know if it makes it more homoerotic or less homoerotic that their twin brothers is that more or less they are the dna same guy yeah is that more or less homoerotic as you watch a man watching himself and you feel like you're watching yourself that's a bizarre

that's what i mean that's a very bizarre moment i am glad someone captured that on film i'm gonna be real honest with you because that's fucking weird i don't know if we're both watching the same thing and it's both of us watching ourselves yeah so weird and then you'd have to cave the other guy's skull in with a fucking weight i would imagine with a barbell there can only be one it's just there can only be one. There can only be one. Stand over him. I'm just going to take it over. So this is, I think this is Paul who says, quote, quite often you'll see a reflection of yourself and straight away you'll think, ha, it's the other one. And of course, it's on realization that it's obviously yourself. You sort of have a little chuckle inwardly that you yourself could be confused imagine walking down the street and then there's a mirror next to you and you go hey chris oh shit

that's me oh my god it's me it's me you guys it's passive paul right here look at the mirror i thought it was cranky chris ah fuck me look at that oh man look at my hair it's all amazing it's a mess i almost told chris to fix his hair. I was just going to tell him. Hey, Chris. A little saliva. Chris, you got something in your teeth. Oh, I have something in my teeth. Oh, my God.

I ate broccoli for lunch. This is nuts. He said, our whole lives are really mirrored reflections of each other. Is that normal? I don't know. I don't know. I don't have a twin. And I've known more sets of twins, I believe, than is normal to know for some reason. so and i've known more sets of twins i believe than is it

normal to know for some reason yeah i've known many many sets of identical twins which is very weird is that strange how many like how many sets of identical twins probably six identical and maybe four uh yeah for the other yeah but the others you know the other one those people that those people the bullshit twins. The bullshit twins. Yeah. Except when it's like a boy and a girl and they're identical. Yeah. One just has long hair.

That's weird. They're obviously not identical scientifically, but they're, you know, they just look seriously For all intents and purposes, fucking identical. I know a couple of those. I'm like, oh boy. That's weird. I went to school with one, a boy and a girl, and it's not, I didn't like it. It's very strange.

It's a little creepy, yeah. It's not i didn't like it it's very strange yeah it's really creepy that's i did too i knew since kindergarten and i went to kindergarten him and his twin sister were both there and uh especially if you kind of like the uh assets and features of the female i didn't because then it's weird yeah i just saw his head so i never even could look couldn't look past it yeah couldn't look but it's not her fault i mean she was fine. Nothing wrong with her. She was a pretty girl, I guess. She sucks. I know her brother. It's like, man, you look just like your brother, who I think is a monster.

If he had incredible breasts, I might like him a little more. Your brother's a real piece of shit. But if he had your breasts, it'd be a different story. Well, he was chubby at one point, and he had, I think, he had some drugs in about the seventh grade. And I was like, you know what? You too. If you grew your hair long, I couldn't tell you that. So this is, Jesus Christ, this is such a creepy thing here.

Whole life are mirrored reflections of each other. The interviewer asked them if it was hard on their wives to be married to twins uh because quote they can scarcely be said just to be married to one man when you're so close so yeah that's a reporter going do you ever blow him by accident you ever hit your tonsil oh my god paul i'm so sorry your wife ever fucked your brother and been like oh i made a mistake this morning no uh yeah which they're always if you marry one you're marrying uh yeah which they're always if you marry one you're marrying the other one they're always in each other's presence so uh they laughed about that and the interviewer asked if they'd ever quote pulled the trick on their wives swapping

themselves gross and they all had a good laugh about that which i hope not that's jesus that's not okay i don't know that that's even funny. It's definitely not legal. I'll tell you that much. It's certainly not. Things that it isn't. Let's run them down from the top. Legal. Funny. Appropriate.

Appropriate. Nice to your wife. I'll throw moral in there probably. There's a lot of things it's not. There's a bunch of stuff it's not. You know, things it is. Illegal. Gross. Ill gross illegal uh yeah not okay so um that's really creepy paul said no no no and chris said that's a clear no no we haven't and uh paul said certainly that's an emphatic no they were all laughing the whole time of course

not why do they keep saying no we get it we heard the first time no no no no no you're starting to convince me the other way no we've never done that right right that's my wife right emphatic no emphatic do they have twin penises it's got to be right i would say their dna is the same so their dna is the same so is that their fingerprints penis size it would be a shame if one of the giant cock and they were identical otherwise that'd be terrible you wouldn't want to you got all the cock gene what's not fair as a twin would you be like if you were insignificant about yours not insignificant what's the word insecure if you felt insecure about the thing

would you be like can i can i just see to make sure that we're we should both feel like this should both yeah they both got it and you know you show me i'll gladly show you this it's a joke oh these twins we're both gonna laugh about this they see each other's balls it better be the same four times a week i would say these two just the way they are there would be more murder if one got yeah oh they would you have to um they said but when they first started dating twins, I think they realized the relationship between the twins. I think they tend to accept it. That's what Paul says.

They're going to be close. And they wouldn't enter into anything like marriage unless they did accept this, you know, this bond or this relationship between their husband and his twin. And then they talked to Lynn, Chris's wife here, Lynn Dawson, who just makes me want to say Len Daw dawson the old quarterback i'm on board he uh she addressed he len dawson spoke about this lynn dawson addressed what it was like to be married to an identical twin she said i hadn't put an into any thought into sharing him until somebody a couple of years ago said what's it like sharing a husband and to me it

just seems so silly because i hadn't put any thought into it and you just join in you encourage their closeness not that it needs encouragement what a weird way of looking at that it's very strange i don't know if that's a you have to understand going into it that there's a whole thing that happens obviously there's it's it's a lot to take in you're not just marrying one man you're marrying like a whole family you're marrying the whole situation yeah it's not marrying another couple as well it's not necessarily sharing a husband that's a weird way of putting it but how many meals are you eating without the other yeah twin and all that it better be a lot that's what i mean it's a compound i don't need

you around all the fucking time here is an ad they have one of their print ads what look at that what is that she's sitting on a it's like it's a shop for men's clothes 1970s department store if you buy clothes here you can also uh i don't know share a woman with your brother that's weird she's wearing a jets jersey there yeah and what if you can see he's one of the brothers is on one knee with the other knee up, and the woman is sitting on his knee like a chair. And then he's got his arm around her. And then the other brother is behind her, grabbing her arm and groping the other side of her. And she's looking back, smiling.

With an open shirt. Yeah, he's got a completely open shirt with a small medallion, like a 70s chest hair. Right. Just a little chest hair rider there and then the other one's got checkered shirt he's wearing all denim too the one brother it's a tug-of-war almost between come over here let's be filthy in my button shirt uh and jeans and the other one's like i'll propose to you and treat you like a lady there's an eiffel towering happening absolutely the second in between frames of this right like they look like there's she looks really happy about it and they're like yeah it's

on so this is creepy this is uh let's see here it's a very strange ad it's a very strange ad so i don't know what they were thinking but that's the type of stuff they were doing i saw this other one where they were wearing like these leather jackets identical together from some other ad for some shit uh they played for the same club the same position over the same period they both ended their time together in 77 we'll talk about after that they both went to teacher's college took identical roles at nearby schools unbelievable it's weird they both held part-time jobs as garbage collectors models and personal trainers they jogged every morning like next to each other they each ended up having three daughters what yeah they each ended up over time ended both ended up with three daughters that's unbelievable it's

really fucking weird their linkedin page is identical too it's pretty much everything is the same at a certain point up until about 1981, their LinkedIn pages are identical. Wow. They're fucking. Everything's identical. Same resume. And then it gets way different for Chris. His resume goes way off in another direction.

He's had enough of it. Yeah. He has not mirrored. Well, I mean, not really. We'll talk about it. So later on, one of the brothers said, quote, it's great being a twin because you have a friend for life no matter what happened. And the other one says, we love it. We always ask to be in the same classes at school, and we have played the same sports together all of our lives.

So apparently their first team they were on, the Eastern suburbs team in the rugby union apparently they uh they one one player was better i don't know if chris or paul was better but they chose to play for that team because that was the only team that would take both of them and they weren't playing alone so that's how weird this whole situation here is here exhausting man it's really strange here uh they both end up completing teaching diplomas and all this type of shit later on at ball maines teachers college and they get arts degrees through the other it's really weird they both become pe teachers really i mean they're both rubble as well yeah makes sense um one person said in his youth chris was continually trying to

live up to the standards set by his older twin brother there was in my submission a form of sibling competition between the two twin brothers with respect to relationships with women finance employment status sporting prowess and property chris dawson was known amongst his peers for incidents of infidelity chris they like to play around they love the lifestyle they're really enjoy the fact that they're like have this playboy image and like uh you know women like them and they're in ads where they're groping yeah they're groping a happy woman together like if she's into it they're doing an ad where they're about to share a woman yeah and she's like yeah she's into it she's fucking requested it you know what i'm saying she was like she hired your brother around like it's really strange here so uh it's it's weird

some of these infidelities included the participation of his twin brother paul and there's evidence in uh that sex was organized for his brother as a form of gift giving. Wow. It's like I got you a woman. That we will share. That we will share. Ew. Which is really, I don't want to have, I'm happy I'm not a twin. I would never want, I don't want anything that you bought me that we're going to do together. I don't want anyone to buy me a woman.

No. Don't buy me a person, first of all. This isn't, you know, fucking Richard Pryor the toy. Like, I don't want to be bought a human. Unless it's a pizza. Don't buy me anything. We're going to share. Exactly.

You can do that. Yeah. Pizza is a bag of weed, a bottle of booze. It's very rare that there's anything I want you to buy me that you're going to partake with me. Yeah. Not a person. A person is not at all.

Please don't buy me humans. So, yeah, there's form of gift giving. Chris Dawson's self-esteem appears to have depended upon being able to keep up appearances with his twin brother but they're doing great they're play boys the rifle tower and models all over the place it's too much grace this is grace champion rugby's guys i'm breaking a sweat just thinking about him living his life he's having so much he's having a great life although weird and i wouldn't want i don't want the life i don't want any of that to be what he wants but it's i mean he for him he's happy as can be here 75 the jets he's on there again

john bradstock is the top point scorer that year yeah their attendance looks to be down biggest home crowd that year 7905 still great still good but their their average attendance is down a thousand two so it's a little lower seats we don't know what's going on in the 70s over there so 76 uh the same deal here uh they uh biggest home crowd this year 5773 oh it's not going well going bad uh average home crowd 3851 that's bad which is down 700 people that's not great yeah not good at all top point score is brian robertson oh boy and then 77 there last year with the team the uh the uh the brothers here they uh biggest home crowd 57 43 so it stays the same way paul hayward was one of the captains that year wow one of our other subjects so uh top point scorer jeff hunt

only had 39 every other year it's like 80 to 100 this guy had 39 so they didn't have a good year that year i have a feeling um i looked paul's stats um they don't have i'm one and 76 he had uh he's 17 appearances it looks like six t's i don't know what a t is tackles uh or touchdowns timeouts he called six timeouts uh twin fucking yeah i don't know what he did uh six of those he has towerings go on two of them in 77 yeah uh 18 points that's right we figured this out something's worth three points the t is worth three points apparently because then he had two and then it was six okay we're doing that there so i don't know he had 11 total t's in the stats we have here for him i don't know what the fuck that means tries tries yes thank you that's it tries yes tries yeah i don't know what the fuck they score at but

no no g's though no no goals i feel like none at all or games something but he had none of them okay he's in games i don't know how he would i don't know anyway so either way he does good or bad we're not positive he's contributing he's on the team and he's very popular let's just say that we don't know how his sports are so after newton here newtown whatever the hell it is both brothers like we said go to teaching school they're doing modeling work they're still doing all that they buy blocks of land a few hundred meters apart from each other okay which is you know same neighborhood and there's a map where one guy's house is here one guy's house is there houses in between or they're like the

neighbors with land a little of both there's a couple houses and then some trees and land and shit like that but they're close oh they're walking distance i mean you can obviously walk there if they were going to jog in the morning they'd meet in the middle in two minutes so um this was on sydney's northern beaches in gilwinga drive at bayview sounds beautiful it looked nice from the pictures i've seen the beaches of that area it's gorgeous fucking unbelievable it's beautiful no absolute australia is one of those countries there is some beautiful stuff there like like two and a half percent of that country is gorgeous it is i'm not even fucking around the very tips and then it's desert after that it looks like

arizona yeah it's arizona which uh you can't be insulted because we live in the same hellscape and it's it's just an ugly hellscape it's death it's hot and no one should live there at least you got a beach enjoy yeah you have a lot of beach all around you so enjoy it and that's a compliment you know arizona has like certain points where you're like that's sort of pretty but the rest of it is just hell to get to beach, we have to go to a foreign country. Yeah. That's our closest beach. Pretty much. So both the brothers employ the same house builder, the same contractor, to construct the houses, too, in these areas. They both bought big plots of land and built houses, built their dream homes on them using the same builder. So this is very weird.

They used the same company to put in swimming pools at the same time god damn it like you know after it was built very weird shit down to the contractor they use everything is the same uh lynn and and paul actually had a hard time i'm sorry lynn and chris had a hard time conceiving actually they were trying to have children and had a hard time with it uh finally they have chanel in 1977 and then in 1979 they have sharon so it they were they had been trying since they got married yeah it finally and then they had a third later and then uh well we'll talk about it he has a third later so uh oh we'll talk all about it so they both leave the that's fucking amazing they also play more rugby they go to play with the gosford townies on the central coast i have no idea if that's a good league a good team but god the gosford townies sounds like a softball team where guys get drunk but boston

in boston it might be out of townies yeah yeah fuck them hovid assholes mit can suck my cock can we wrap this up the bruins are playing ah come on already so they were uh that team won the 1978 premier ship apparently of whatever the fuck league that is so good for them and the dawson's contributed i guess well to that so they later after that spent two seasons as joint captain coaches of their local bell rose eagles okay so they're all they're doing this and they're also doing shit on the side and they're getting their teaching degrees they got a lot going on right now having kids looking for the future keeping things moving they're both yeah they're both trying to set up their post football life they know this is the end here yeah this is very temporary yeah and temporary is about to expire exactly so they're

setting everything up uh 1980 is when both of their careers wrap up so they play for the same team same coaches same positions same length oh they yeah they played together longevity over at the same time they never were on a team without the other one length. Yeah, they played together. Longevity over at the same time. They never were on a team without the other one, either of the guys. They played always together. Even they were joint captain coaches on the one team. Just when one's playing, the other one's coach, when the other one's playing, the other one's coach. Really weird.

So 1980, though, their rugby careers wrap up, and Chris and Paul Dawson actually take jobs, full-time jobs as teachers at this point as pe teachers so they're doing their gym teachers at public high schools on the north shore and northern beaches of sydney uh dawson is teaching at cromer high school in 1981 this is chris dawson here and chris is a pe teacher there and his brother is you know five miles away at another school being a pe teacher so it's really weird yeah they could switch and go to different schools that day mr i don't know who you are the principal is really up my ass i don't know how to handle it

you know i'd handle it you don't why don't why don't you want to handle it you want to handle it go ahead just go there come handle it head on over there chris this kid he's such a fucking asshole i swear to guy can't even describe what an asshole you know what switch places with you know me i'm passive deal with them for a day cranky you head over there crank them up so they do that um the they so they're teaching this is like i said 1980 they start teaching full-time by late 1980 there's some some rumblings we'll say kind of around school and around the neighborhood oh um that he is a little bit too close no to a female student a female student who's 16 years old what the fuck named joanne curtis um apparently she has a lot of problems at home uh she has her mom married a guy who is a violent alcoholic i feel you and uh

she's having you know she doesn't get along with him obviously obviously you know most of the time it's hard to get along with your violent alcoholic stepfather you don't hear my stepfather was a horrible violent alcoholic we We got along great. Best friends. Great guy. We went to the football games together. It was wonderful. Just a great guy.

Everyone else, he was a monster, but we got along famously. Very odd to hear that. He loved me because every time he would get mad, I would grab him another beer.

I'd just be like, I knew it was time. He knew. We both knew it was time. And then we'd throw his empties at the kids as they crossed the street. Yeah. That's how it always works. So this doesn't say, I mean, the rumors are that he's a bit close, but at the same time,

you know, he's. Perhaps he's helping. Perhaps he's helping, mentoring. If this girl needs a father figure. Boy, does she. I mean, he's like 32 years old at this point. He's twice her age. I mean, if she needs a father figure, obviously, just to go, hey, not everybody's an abusive alcoholic.

I can be a decent example of a person. But that's where it's got to end. Obviously, you can't be too close with a 16 year old student of yours. And I don't think that exists. That's the thing. That's the thing. So anywhere, anywhere. So no matter how much those fucking creeps want us to believe it.

No, that's that's showing up early with orange slices. That's what that is. As we've discussed many times. Yeah. You want the parent to coach in case you're new to the show. If you have a child and they play like a little league, let's say, or whatever sports soccer, you want the coach to be the parent who least wants to do it. Right.

That's what you want. You want the guy who's fucking shows up and he's like, oh, you want the coach to be the parent who least wants to do it. That's what you want. You want the guy who fucking shows up and he's like, my fucking head is pounding. He's got a giant coffee at 8 o'clock on a Saturday morning. His eyes are glassy and he's like, oh my God, I hope nobody hurts themselves because I can't. My head, if there's sirens from an ambulance, I'm going to lose my shit. I can't even begin to think of the steps of CPR. That guy will never molest your kid.

Yeah. He can't wait to get rid of your kid so he can go have a beer. He does not love your kid. Matter of fact, he fucking hates your kid. He's only doing this so he doesn't feel bad that he doesn't spend as much time with this kid as he should. That's the only reason why he's doing it. He's doing it.

He's not going to show your kid any affection because he's incapable. It'll look good at the next child support. That's why he's doing it. That guy's fine. He wants a couple more hours a week with his own kid. That guy's going to be a great coach for your kid, okay? Probably win. Probably you're going to do great.

At least winning is not having a sore butthole after T-ball practice. So that's a win. You're winning. The guy who, it's 7.20 on a Saturday morning, and he's sitting there with a big thing of orange slices and a smile on his face, rip-roaring to go. Goals are already set up and the balls are out. No, he's going to diddle the shit out of your kids. He is so jacked to get this going. I don't trust him.

Matter of fact, he wants you to leave so that he has more time with your child. No, no. This is how you really got to bend your knees and get down on the ball. It's all in the hip. Let me show you with my hands where your hips are. So he and Joanne Curtis, like I said, it could be just a nice fatherly mentorship relationship. But still still it's inappropriate if it's passing the line of school and um of a different the thing is the man can uh mentor boys fine i'm fine with that i don't want i guess i don't want a 32 year old man mentoring 16 year old girl you stay away from a 16 year old girl it's just i don't trust him at all so uh 1981 though beginning of 1981 uh this is very odd chris has joanne move into their house

to be a full-time babysitter for them and to get her out to you know so she says to get her out of her house because she couldn't there was you know she said quote i had nowhere else to go is the way she put it so she was kind of out on her ass and he said well you can be the full-time babysitter here that's taylor swift is soaring high her every move captured in the news cycle and devoured by her devoted fans she's broken billboard records and made grammys history not to mention becoming a billionaire in the process. But along the way, Taylor has had to wage war, first by taking on a very powerful, very famous manager, Scooter Braun, and then by going up against the biggest live events company, Ticketmaster.

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And the problem is, and that's fine. It's weird. But I don't know. There's been weirder shit, I guess, than that. And I don't know what the cultural thing is. If it's normal to have a 16-year-old girl living in your house to watch your kids. I have no idea. It's either the kindest thing that you can do for somebody or the most underhanded filthy thing or the creepiest weirdest for many

reasons on your wife on your family on your on that kid yeah uh well joanne the young lady at one point uh they're out at this family swimming pool and she's swimming topless in the pool so that was an odd thing and lynette began to get suspicious at this point of why does this girl feel comfortable to be topless in my pool now what's up with that i get an even tan but what the fuck you know um so she says uh joanne says quote lynn confronted me and said to me you've been taking liberties with my husband i didn't know what to say that is a very classy way to put that yeah you've been taking liberties with my husband i didn't know what to say that is a very classy way to put that yeah i've been taking liberties with my husband that sounds like she just reaches in his pants

and plays with his cock without him even hey you're taking liberties here just checking taking liberties seeing if it's in there wow that's really classy so you're growing those hamburgers good job you look like you're working hard wanted to reward you with my liberties liberties lynette is a classy lady here taking liberties with my husband and uh joanne said i didn't know what to say yeah i'll put your tits away first first yeah and figure it out put a shirt on um meanwhile uh chris was also over this time apparently being very, very mean to Lynette over things. Apparently, Joanne said that he would try to chip away at her confidence over time. Very abusive type of shit. She said, quote, he was very cold and used to sing songs to her that had double meanings that he didn't care about her and that she was physically unattractive.

Wow. So he would sing like mocking songs like you would do in fourth grade i assume they're just all alliterative anyway it's you know country song yeah he's like lanky lynette whatever the fuck you're not attractive lardy lynette whatever whichever direction the weight he's trying to say she is or something like that some shit that rhymes with that alliterative with Lynette. Lard-ass Lynette. Lard-ass Lynette. I don't know what it was, but ridiculous. Yeah.

So, yeah, being an asshole, that's the shitty thing to do here is the, you know, mother of your fucking kids in your house. Horrible. Move somebody in and make fun of her. That's fucked up. She said, quote, just digging away at her, just singing songs that were to wear her down just to upset her. Is he writing these or are these like already exist? I think he's just making them up.

Just writing mean spirited songs? I don't know if he's like Weird Alec if he sits down with a notebook or something. They're going, eat it, just eat it. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like a surgeon. I don't know if he does that. Yeah. Or if he's like just singing a song and then replacing words as you do, as we do.

Right. No body, no crime. Right. Things of that nature from small town murder. You never know. Yeah. How that's going. So the thing is, this is kind of a weird thing.

And what does his brother know about this whole thing here? Does his brother know that he's having a weird, inappropriate relationship with a 16 year old girl? I mean, they fuck the same chick all the time you would think well this is what joanne says the young 16 year old girl she says quote well paul did know because he was having relationships with young girls all over the place so you know he was aware of the whole thing she said well you know i wouldn't name names but know, he had relationships going with schoolgirls. Oh, my God. That's what she says. The.

Wow. James, they they're both into this. And one's idea was we could work at high schools and then we could move one into my house. Great idea. I'll get a job at another high school. Yeah, this is great. See who gets the one first. No, it's awesome.

Young girls. Gross. Where are all the young girls at another high school. Yeah. This is great. See who gets the one first. No, it's awesome. Young girls. Gross. Where are all the young girls? At school. That's where. That's a monster. You know when my wife was the hottest? Think about that.

Was when she was 16. That's when he met her. Think about that, though. That's what's happening. To actually, wow. Suppose someone's gross and they're like, I really want to bang 16-year-old girls. Whatever their thought process is. someone's gross and they're like i really want to bang 16 year old girls whatever their thought process is to actually go to the point of like i'm gonna go to teacher's college yeah and go like

that's wild for the expressed fucking idea and interest fucking wow i mean i doubt that they i just want to shape the minds of the youth and then they showed up and went wow 16 year old girls are hot i don't think they i think they went wow 16 year old girls are hot i don't think they i think they knew what they were after yeah my brain i don't know this is somehow even darker mortimer and uh what's his friend off and mortimer this is way these are the darkest uh randolph and mortimer ever yeah so she was asked whether paul's wife marilyn knew that he was having affairs yeah as Lynette apparently does. And Joanne said, quote, I don't think so.

I don't know. I don't really know because it was certainly happening right under her nose, whether she just turned a blind eye to it. So who knows? Basically, she should have known is what she's saying. Or maybe she was just saying, there's no way I'm married to a pedophile. Yeah. Like, that can't be true. He's such a nice, charming guy.

You see the ads he's handsome he was groping that chick from the back and she loved it he fights over grown women she loved it not children not children so 1981 here according to joanne this is what day in 1981 uh chris drove joanne to a hotel in sydney she waited in the car in her school uniform as he was taking her to school right because she is in school uh in the car and then he went upstairs in the hotel she says uh joanne says quote he wasn't there for long when he came back he told me quote i wanted to get a hitman to kill lyn, but I couldn't do it because innocent people would be killed. That's what he tells her.

What are you, hiring a guy with bombs? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Or just like a dude to drive by with a fucking M16. Like a scene in Scarface. You're going to go behind him with a remote and go, this kid's in the car. I can't do it. No, is that what's happening? Are you just going to light up the whole neighborhood?

Yeah. Is it a drone strike? He's going to be at a wedding, but we can't take out the whole wedding. There's going to drone strike he's gonna be at a wedding but we can't take out the whole wedding there's gonna be 300 people there it's worth it what are you fucking innocent people will die so i changed my mind apparently so so december of 1981 chris and joanne are they're having an affair and it's pretty kind of out in the open at this point. And they run away together. So the legalities of running away with a 16 year old student of yours is I mean, that happens now and it's all over the news.

Amber alert. It's an Amber alert. Everybody look and oh my God, what's going on? And they find them in like some fucking some like uh sleazy hotel and usually not even that they find them on like some hiking trail because they'll have like the you know bunk things and they're like there's like grass growing in their hair and shit they're like at the total end of their ropes where they did this because they had this blood lust free not bloodless is lust for each other and then you see them then you're, bet they haven't fucked since they left.

How did it work out? They have to go. Neither of you were like, you're both gross. You had a shower and both of you stink. Yeah. You're an adult. Fuck adults. And you're young.

So it's not your fault. There you go. Isn't it fascinating how when you get dirty, the area that stinks the most is the one that you coveted. That's it. That's all you want. That nut sack there. It's the grossest.

The area you wanted to put in your mouth doesn't taste the same, does it? After two days in the woods. It goes for both of you. Sometimes it's a week in the woods. Yeah. They find them all like half dehydrated and dying. Unless it was smart, it was like eight months or whatever. Yeah.

That's horrible. Just up there just sponge bathing in a creek it's so weird oh boy so yuck it's a hot fuck that's a crazy story jesus that's what people are gonna do but they don't i'm sure yeah and either way they're children so they shouldn't at all thank god disgusting so um yeah so they run away together to queensland okay okay and then uh apparently joanne changes her mind about running away So, yeah. So they run away together to Queensland. Okay. And then apparently Joanne changes her mind about running away and they go back to Sydney, which she's the mature one. That tells you a lot right there. Right.

He's 16 year old. So at this point, obviously, when they come back after running away together, she can't just he can't just assume resume. You can't just pop back in't just assume, resume life. Yeah, he can't just pop back into the house and be like, all right, we changed our mind. All right,

we're back. She's going to go back in her room and we're going to whatever. So at that point, Joanne's got to be gone from the house right now, which is pretty obvious.

So where does she, she has nowhere to go, but she does have one place to go, Paul's house. Oh my God. She just goes to Paul's house and stays with Paul

and Marilyn for a while. So this is in December, probably over Christmas and that sort of shit, 1981. And yeah, they live there. This is on the same street, so it's right down the street. They have three young daughters and everything like that. They could use a babysitter, too. So, Jesus Christ, January 8th, 1982. Chris and Lynette go to marriage counseling, which if there's ever a couple that would need marriage counseling, if they wanted to stay together, I feel like this one is high on the list.

I think we're beyond it. Yeah. I think we're too late. I don't know why you'd want to. Right. If there's any hope of it. At this point in a marriage counseling, what Lynette wants in that counseling is for the counselor just to look at him and tell him, you're the fucking problem. But she can't do that.

Yeah. Because that's not what marriage counselors do. No. We're trying to work through our differences. They should. Yeah. They should take some time. What are we talking about here?

You know? Yeah. Honestly, what we're going to go. Why am I going to go to you and you're going to listen to both of us? And you're going to go, you guys should compromise. Compromise what? He fucks kids. Yeah, he fucks kids.

There's no compromise. Can you just tell him? A marriage counselor would have to find some middle ground of like, well, I mean, if we could get the age up to say 19 or 20 range, would you be open to a relation? No. No, that's not how it works. No, it's not. So yeah.

We're talking about marriage. And there's no other way to do it too, it's not so yeah we're talking about marriage and there's no other way to do it too because otherwise nobody would ever go to counseling if when you showed up it was like they'd hear both sides and go you're wrong change 150 bucks and then the other person goes yes i fucking told you i told you you were the asshole i fucking told you the whole time that's that's really a pretty solid wager you're wagering 150 that somebody's gonna take your side bet you 150 she likes my story boom and we're both it's like an agreement we'll both abide by her judgment great and then you shake hands nobody

would ever go and nobody would go especially the person who knows they're wrong because everybody knows who's wrong absolutely you know when you're wrong so they go there uh later on that night she so they go to counseling they get home and later on lynette lynette talks to her mother on the phone and lynette doesn't really drink that much she's not a drinker at all but her mom says she's fucking sounds hammered she's plowed she says she sounds quote sozzled australia you got good words which yeah that's a great word for drunk sozzled i think that's nice with z two z's and everything that is incredible that's gonna be a good one so yeah that's how that goes and then the night is quiet january 9th 1982 um lynette is supposed to meet her mother and Chris and the children at the North Bridge Baths.

Okay. She made plans to meet them all there. And her husband works. Chris is like kind of a lifeguard there a little bit, kind of a whatever. So he says he dropped his wife off at Mona Vale bus stop at about 7 a.m. to go there, and she never showed up at the baths. Okay. Instead, he said he got a phone call at the baths in which he said was from his wife who told him that she was needing a break from him and needed to be on her own for a minute.

So he drops her off. We'll meet you there. Your mom's coming. All the kids. Everything's fine. And then instead of showing up, she calls and says, as a matter of fact, I need some time to myself. Hang out with my mom.

Hang out with my mom. Enjoy. Possible. Sounds whatever. I mean, yeah. At the time, Joanne was out of town with family and friends at southwest rocks on uh mid north coast when she says she got a call from chris uh that day or the day after that and we'll talk about this um but so she lynette uh you know doesn't

show up says she needs some time to herself and then just doesn't come home that night and then doesn't come home the next night. Oh, doesn't call her mom, doesn't do anything. She just she must really need some time to herself because she just completely poof disappeared. Women usually have had enough of a pedophile and leave their children with them. They leave. They say, I'm going to leave both my little girls with him. And yeah, he's hanging out with my mom. That should fine mom will keep an eye on him yeah like i'm gonna leave

the person who i think is a monster with all the important people in my life the most important the most vulnerable and important people i feel like that'll be the best way to do it and i'll run away i'll be back i don't feel like that so chris they said he said he was worried but they said he seemed more relaxed than he seemed pretty laid back about the whole thing. He doesn't file a missing persons report at all. He says that's because he, you know, she said she was not missing. She said she was going off. And then a few days later, when his family starts asking where the hell's Lynette, did she ever come back?

You know, he tells them the story and he goes, as a matter of fact, she ran off to join a religious sect oh she ran off to join a cult yeah that's what happened southern baptist southern baptist you're gonna go be a pentecostal down there that would be a cult in australia south wales baptist that's how it is yeah that's southern so uh nobody knew where they she said i don't know where they're based this group she said she's really into the teachings of whatever the fuck and she's going off i don't know what name they went by but he said she went off to join these religious people she's been super into it lately okay i don't know so the family's surprised at that she's a very stable very kind of you know yeah goes by the book kind of woman with two kids and like you know building a life and family very reliable and all of a sudden now she's running off to join the you know jim jones here out of nowhere which is she found

nexium yeah finding it now so uh january 10th or 11th um you know people a couple days later first there's sympathy because it's like oh he got left with these two daughters that's what people start going oh no he's got these two infant daughters and he's got to work every day and he's going to look after these babies and his wife just left him single father yeah yeah that's right so um so he ended up uh getting a babysitter for the one day but uh apparently there was the kids didn't like her there was a problem with the babysitter so. So what he ended up doing was saying, well, I'll just move Joanne back in. Oh, I mean, the person that objected to it's not here. That's the thing.

And she's been gone for about three days now, literally. So I'm going to put her back in there. So she does. She moves back in three days after Lynette is gone. Joanne moves back in, which is interesting uh she said that chris told her quote lynn's gone she's not coming back i need you now come and live with me and the girls at bayview that's what she he said to her so she was like well i mean if she left him what am i gonna do problem solved i guess even though bigger problem i'm still 16 yeah i'm still

a child and this is still very illegal and creepy but the good news is her tits can at least be out now that's what he's excited about yeah he's like i'm gonna get some young tit in this in this fucking pool she said that um that the next day after they talked chris arrived with a car and to pick her up and she moved back into the house and all that sort of shit and she you know moved in as kind of like his open girlfriend and uh took care of the kids at that point that was her job and he just tried to be like okay you're lynn now i'll be at work see you later bye such a quick transition really fucking weird um joanne even wore lynette's

clothes no yeah oh you can't do that or clothes that's he was like yeah you could just wear her clothes she just left him so she's not coming back so you might as well just wear them which is i would be like no not wearing your wife's clothes panties in the top that's cool yeah we're fucking only the panties that's i will wear those but nothing else obviously as well as um you know they didn't even get like a new bed she just climbed into that side climbed on her side of the bed which is creepy as fuck um she said that the situation was quote very strange for everyone which imagine the kids that's the weirdest ones of all it's awkward that is friggin weird man um so one of the babysitters because

now they start getting another babysitter in because she's the mom now. So Beverly or Bev McNally, she said that when she had seen them, she didn't know. She said she was unclear on how aware Lynette was that Joanne and Chris were together. Seemed like she suspected it but she doesn't know if it was like an open thing or not this is the other they're the only people kind of she was the only person kind of in the household that wasn't his twin brother right so um yeah but the the affair wasn't a secret for anybody else though like everybody at school knew about it he doesn't get fired he doesn't get, they don't even talk to him.

Nothing. Keeps his job. Oh, he's working this whole time. Yeah. While he's got a student in his house. Business as usual. Business as usual. February 18th, 1982, Chris reports his wife missing.

Now he does. Six weeks later. Wow. Six weeks it took him to report his wife missing. I don't even know what. Now she's missing. She's missing. I don't even know what. Now she's missing. She's missing. I don't know.

I mean, she went to join a religious sect, but still haven't heard from her. So, you know, who knows? Later on in the year, he taught at Cromer all the way through the end of 1982. This is like a year and a half, almost two years after he basically fucking plucked a student out of there. That is wild. How weird is that? Dude, that's gross. So he ends up going to Beacon Hill High School in late 1982.

So he moves on to another high school. As pedophiles move from place to place, they like to do that. Now, 1983 comes around, and Chris, reeling from his wife's abandonment right joining this take taking this religious cult is so much more important than her than him and her whole family this poor wounded man files for divorce from lynette what files for fucking divorce from her oh my okay now it's going to take a few years because basically i think it takes like however many years for someone to be declared missing or dead or some shit and then you can't but they can't file a divorce decree and finalize it until you got that signature

exactly so he's got to put it in now though so then the divorce will be up when she's declared never coming back okay or if they find her who knows so he's still with joanne this whole time uh so much so i guess you can get divorced in australia from a missing person apparently you can say your wife abandoned you or your husband abandoned you and you want a divorce and you can't find them and apparently like here you'd have to like serve them papers and there'd be a baby take you three years a whole thing whole thing there by january 1984 he's already divorced from lynette which is wild and uh so much so so divorced is he that on january 15th 1984 chris and joanne get married oh my yeah oh yeah oh boy oh yeah she well she's a good 18 now she's ready i guess right so gross what the fuck

is going on man this is horrible uh she they got married at their home at the big house there their dream house uh that's house it's lynette's house yeah that's what i mean horrible yeah uh paul and marilyn are the witnesses obviously his twin and her wife his wife are the two witnesses uh um you want to hear the creepiest shit i don't know oh yeah uh chris gave joanne one of his wife's rings to wear for the ceremony. That is horrible. His missing wife's fucking ring is what he put on this woman's finger. This girl's finger for a wedding ceremony.

Like Beetlejuice. She meant nothing to me. Yeah. I wonder if it was her dress. I'm not even fucking around. Did he pull it off her finger? Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

What the hell is going on? I guess she left it behind in her jewelry box. Oh, my. It's one of lynette's rings here you go this will do you're wearing her underwear so what's the difference well yeah so this is weird as shit so um yeah they get married um wow i hate that he's 35 she's 19 which is fine if they didn't meet when she was 16 you know which is legal it's not fine but it's legal oh that ain't fine no it's far from fine but i mean nobody is uh nobody's getting arrested the police aren't getting involved is what i'm getting at give a fuck we can roll our eyes but the cops aren't coming that's all i mean the cops won't arrest you but they will say get your shit together sir i'll judge you don't get

me wrong like a mother you're being judged judged, but I can't take legal action. So Lynn is still missing this whole time. And Paul, they ask him, and he says he is positive that his brother has nothing to do with Lynn's disappearance. Are you kidding me? Chris? Cranky Chris? Right. No.

Quote, he said, quote, it wouldn't have happened. I know. I mean, he's my twin brother. I know he wouldn't have. I don't know. Whatever. He wouldn't have played any hand in Lynn's disappearance. That's his big dismissal of it.

They considered how Chris would explain Joanne living with him if he believed. They asked, like, you know, he said Lynn took off and he expects him to come expects her to come back at some point how is he going to explain joanne living there being married to him then yeah if that happens basically and um they said quote he said quote i think we asked ourselves the same question all at the time by memory i think marilyn and i probably said the same thing i don't know i don't know they were i don't know how they were going to sort it all out so he's like who cares i don't know. I don't know how they were going to sort it all out. So he's like, who cares? I don't know.

We answered that question a long time ago together. Right now, I can't remember what our answer was. Exactly. I'm not sure. Ask Chris, and maybe we'll work it out again. So they're going to move all together. But before that, both brothers cash in their insurance policies they had on their own lives. They both had life insurance policies they'd been paying into, so they cashed out insurance policies they had on their own lives they both had life insurance policies they've been paying into so they cashed out whatever equity they had in those and uh they

said that they wouldn't need as much money or anything as they did in sydney to where they were moving it's cheaper so um a detective asked paul uh do you agree would you agree that you were even allowing for the fact that you were twins sort of even closer than maybe twins would expect to be? And he said, twins are close. Yeah, it's hard to understand if you're not a twin, but twins are close. And they said, allowing for that closeness, has Chris ever indicated anything untoward may have happened?

Paul said, none whatsoever. Absolutely not. So he's close enough to this, but not that. Not that. Marilyn, Paul's wife, also was interviewed. And she said, quote, we were fairly intensely involved in Chris and Lynn's lives because my husband and his twin are extremely close. I wanted Lynn to fight for Chris and her marriage and the children, and she didn't. She seemed to be meek when i wanted her to be strong

i would have fought in a way i did fight for my marriage because my husband was a twin and you know whatever chris was doing my husband may have been doing too and so i fought for my husband and i wish lynn had yeah so let's unpack that yeah what she just fucking said we cannot breeze over the fact that she just said you know my husband was fucking teenagers also right uh because he does it so obviously he does it but rather than lynn running away i fought for my husband and said oh no you're no 16 year old's gonna steal you from me you're all mine hang out with our daughters great this just so we all are clear and i and i and i know that that is just something that he does because that guy looks just like him and does it too so they're both the same so that is so weird

she says when chris was doing his university paul and i would sit up half the night typing his assignments up i believe that my husband is the dominant personality meaning paul has more common sense and i believe my husband loves his brother and would protect him in any way that he had to but i don't believe that chris would do anything to harm his life wife lynn i don't believe that my husband could hide that from me uh yeah they asked her directly if she believed her husband would lie to her or police about chris's involvement and she said quote i don't believe that he would do anything to not assist you in your job talking to the police but i'm telling you that his twin is the most probably the most important person in the world to him after his wife and family and i would

say probably you can switch that around yeah if i'm just going by obviousness here now lynn's family uh they are not accepting this shit at all. They're like, this is bullshit. Yeah. They're just going, well, who knows? She joined a religious sect. They're like, no, that's not Lynn at all. They said, quote, she was really excited about Chanel starting school. She had a new uniform.

She was really excited about that. And she had already invited people to mom's birthday, a surprise party that was at the beginning of February. So they're saying she wasn't just going to disappear she plans she had plans number one it was her mother's birthday she's planning a surprise party and if you're joining a religious sect and you have two fucking kids and a husband banging a teenager and you're planning a party you don't have time to join a cult yeah you just don't right you don't have time to get that swallowed up in any kind of dogma at that point right i'm thinking it's a bit much it's a lot so i'm too busy for this too busy

that was her sister that said that 1985 though the dawson brothers and their families both chris paul and everybody the kids whole troop here they moved to queensland in 1985. Okay. So all together, Chris Dawson worked at Kebra State Park High School at first, and then moved to Coombaba State High School to work with his brother, Paul, because that's where his brother, Paul, works, so they have to work at the same place. You're not going to believe the ass on this girl. If you saw her, that's the only way you'd believe me. That's why. You've got to get over here.

Tell you what, I'll get you in. I'll talk to the principal. Bring your resume to bring your resume so it's at this don't worry about it i've got the same one i'll just give them mine yeah you got this don't worry about it uh the late 80s here or mid to late 80s here uh paula joanne have a daughter together oh my god the third daughter like i said he has three daughters uh they have a daughter named Kristen together. No problem with that conception. Nope. That one. Took right away. Took right through there.

Yeah, obviously, because it's a disaster. Well, not that the kid's a disaster, but his life is a disaster. The situation is a disaster. The worse your life is, the more fertile you are. That's how it works. So during the... It's so true. It's just a fact.

Yeah. And it's funny, the same person. You could be doing great. If your life starts to fall apart, you will be so much more fertile. You never hear of people, two people making minimum wage going, we just can't get pregnant. No, it never happens. I am sure someone's going to go, I make minimum wage. I've been trying.

We're insensitive. We get it. We're insensitive. But in general. we're insensitive but it's very we get it we're insensitive but in general but in general it's always two pretty well thought yeah pretty wealthy people that are doing fine i have experienced twice with this trust me i have a problem and i can't get pregnant but it's always the shit bags that are horrible people that are just exploding with kids yes when i had nothing going for myself and nothing when i had my two kids it was the same

way couldn't couldn't keep fucking yeah fertile as shit i got an i got a text message from uh two different people in five minutes one was from my bank telling me that my checking account was fifty dollars uh from being on uh overdrawn and then the other one was i'm pregnant which is perfect yes this this is exactly how life goes. Which is, that's, it is. Thank you. That's what I just explained. I just explained science, and I believe that's called backing it up with facts.

That is not anecdotal. Hypothesis to theory is what it just did right there. It just went right up the other way around. Whichever one is better, I'm not a scientist. I didn't graduate high school. So they end up during all of this. Joanne says that he treated Chanel and Sharon like princesses and rejected Kristen as the, I don't know, just not good enough for him already. So by the late 80s, let's see.

How does Chris treat this young lady does he treat her well let's talk about that um so uh she called him this is joanne called him possessive violent and unwilling to let her even go out the front door without her his permission or wearing the clothes or he had she also had to wear the clothes he chose and was forbidden by him to make friends with anyone she knows violent that's what she said she grew up in a violent household yeah she's calling him violent she's calling him violent that's why she was attracted to him because that's that's the problem and that's why he was attracted to her because he thought she was weak and would take it and that's the

problem not weak but you know what i'm saying would take it and that's predators have six cents and and and prey has a six cents also that somehow seeks out that so it's a certainly groomable yep that's that's which i think that's how he was looking at it uh so also um they once they moved to queenland queensland and all of that uh she said quote he was even more possessive of me and regretted kristin he wanted me to himself he just wanted her out of the way uh i did as I was told. We had a six-foot fence. I didn't leave the compound.

So that's what she said. He was always possessive, but once our daughter was born, I think he felt a rivalry there with her. Yeah, because she's taking up her time. Yeah, exactly. Rather than him being, because he got her to concentrate all on him. God forbid. That was the problem with Lynch. I'm sure she was interested in the kids. Jesus Christ, what about me she's got two of them yeah narcissist this guy is it sounds like very much she uh she says he didn't like sharing me he wanted me to

stay in the confines of the property and not go and see people so i didn't have any associations until our daughter was two when i took her to play group and i found out how other women had marriages yeah different you know basically the guy like cares and stuff you know and doesn't like tell her what to wear and where to go and make her wear his fucking uh missing wife wife's ring wowza she said quote i thought ours was just normal in that he made all the decisions and i followed them his orders okay no did you see a soap opera or something do you have a television in this house in that he made all the decisions and I followed them. His orders. Okay. No. Did you see a soap opera or something?

Do you have a television in this house? There's literally zero in your life that is quote unquote normal. Nothing about this is normal. Not a bit. Not a goddamn thing. Not one thing. Your age starting. And then going forward. Starting with 10th grade.

Starting with your sophomore year. Starting with how you met. Yeah. And then to present day. Let's just go to now. Nothing is normal. Jesus. She said he chose what I wore.

If I was going somewhere, he would have to approve it. He was violent. There were some times when I locked myself in one of the bedrooms and he would try to break the door down. Whoa. Yeah, that's not great when you get those. I hate people like that. Yeah. that's not great when you get those i hate people like that yeah um asked if chris had ever uh asked her to do anything quote out of the normal sexually she says quote well yeah you know do this

and you can have this yeah i mean yeah you know if i wanted a pair of shoes well you know you have to pay for it type of thing yeah so she was her anal gross yeah yeah it's bad stuff gross shit he's a bad guy he doesn't sound like a good guy he's making her earn things with sexual favors yeah it's awful that's pretty gross he's been she's been since she was 16 this is disgusting she's been through so much i don't i can't express this guy is like fucking buck zoom hoff and oj mixed into one guy which we never those are the two worst and we found a guy who's both this is little by little making her life awful awful so 1990 comes around and chris and joanne split up

yeah actually she leaves him okay and she moves back to sydney where her family and friends are there she moves back to sydney when she does so she does one thing she calls the police and she urges the police to uh search the garden in their old house oh my god you should really search over there i just think i would urge you to search there if you're looking for lynn maybe that no maybe possibly check the garden yeah i don't know that's what she said she told police that she left chris because she was frightened and desperately unhappy living with him. She said, then when I realized that there was something very strange about our relationship and he was getting more violent and he would be violent right in front of our daughter. So that's awful monster behavior.

But the garden, like Britain, like England, it's just the backyard. The backyard. Yeah. Yeah. Back in the backyard. Not like where they grow, it's just the backyard. The backyard. Yeah, yeah. Back in the backyard. Not like where they grow tomatoes and shit. Yeah, only under the rose bushes. Right.

Only look under the eggplants. That's where she is. I think the backyard. She hated eggplants and he knew it. Oh, she knew it. Now she's got all the eggplants. Now she grows them. Now she is an eggplant person in the ground with eggplants coming from her chest.

He said, quote, he would send the other two away the first two daughters yeah and there was all sorts of control and games he was playing he used to start singing to me too like he did with his former wife and you know there was many times i felt physically threatened i feared for my life at that point and i made a decision to leave because i because i was scared and desperately unhappy which uh yeah she also said that chris was a narcissist which hey there you go i i diagnosed him from here and i didn't even know dr james dr james and she was married to him he's a narcissist and the only other person he really cared about was his twin yep that sounds because that's him too is it's

him yeah how do you look at me i'm'm great. It's the only people I like. Me and the other me. You handsome bastard. That's him all the time. Me and me. Me and me. Look at this. There's two of me.

Aren't we amazing? Which for a narcissist, being a twin has to be like your birthday every day. Oh my God. The greatest thing on earth. It's Christmas every day. Narcissist and there's two of me to love. That's why he's hanging out with him so much. Of course.

Because it's me. It's me. Isn't that crazy? What the fuck? I get much of course because it's me it's me isn't that crazy what the fuck i get more of me that's horrible that's some crazy psychology there we could be totally wrong with that's what we are not i don't think we are nailing this right now he's probably about right loves that's why he loves fucking with him because he gets to watch himself fuck yeah wow oh my god this is so gross it's how creepy and weird and messed up as this guy's mind is. I'm so sick.

She said, quote, he was quite possessive, pretty antisocial, but certainly, you know, he was the most important and no one else really mattered. His brother, Paul, was, you know, very, very important to him. But, you know, that's not surprising being a twin. Yeah. And they said, well, how did you two get together? She said, at the time, I was having problems with my family at home. And I guess I felt like I could go with him, go to him with this problem because he seemed to be drawn to me in some way. And so I did.

And he took advantage of that and abused me. Really? Yeah. Yeah. He seemed open to listening to a young woman because that's the vibe. That's the bait he was putting out. Because that's what he likes. He is fucking gross, man.

So she began socializing with Chris and all that sort of shit. And then began hanging out with him at a hotel on Friday nights. So she began, you know, they had an affair. Right. And then she became the babysitter because he was just like, oh, yeah, girl from school looking for a babysitter. I put it up on the bulletin board and some sophomore signed up there. So they would babysit and she'd often stay the night at their home when they would come home late and shit. And so, you know, it would happen.

Then they would have sexual relations in the in the house while the wife was asleep. And yeah, so this is this is pretty goddamn gross here uh so the investigation they're going to do a little they're going to investigate this this is a little late still but they're still doing it 1990 ish early 1990s they said that uh upon investigation they found that and this is later on they find this that there was numerous sexual activities with students according to a detective who investigated the disappearance of lynette quote these sexual activities activities included both christopher and paul dawson having sexual intercourse with a female student at the same time

fuck how do you oh God. That's so gross. Oh, my God. You never heard. We've done it. Yeah. A crime in sports first. Twin vettos. What? Fucking rare.

Okay. Now, I don't mean to celebrate this, obviously, because this is the most disgusting thing I've ever fucking heard in my life. thing i've ever fucking heard in my life but we it by episode 241 yeah to have a crime in sports first jesus it takes a lot you gotta be imaginative we're really qualifying it here though yeah i mean we had buck zoom off so to go to top that you really have to be something this i've never heard before scum meters in. Identical twin pedophiles double teaming a minor. Unbelievable. Has that I don't even I mean, I'm sure it's happened before in the world.

I've never heard of it. Right. I've never heard of never once heard of that. Even as a creepy like a snuff film. No, it's never happened. I've never heard. I don't even know what to say about that incest. I mean, granted, you're not touching each other. is that incest it's fucking creepy right it's creepy when

two when twin girls like there's those fucking sickos that are like uh twins i want to fuck twins like why that's incest isn't it i mean granted even if they're not touching each other yeah i don't want to i would never want to be i don't want anything to do with that no i would never want to be naked in the same room with twins because I feel like they'd be plotting against me silently anyway. So I have no, I wouldn't trust that was going on. I'd feel like a real outsider there and I wouldn't like it. The shining is too real.

It's creepy, dude. I couldn't deal with that shit. So yeah, you're right, dude. This is just wrong. That's so gross. This is, well, we know it's wrong, but this is the most wrong. Extra gross. Yeah.

Let's on a scale of one to really wrong it's very very wrong and over really it's bad if an adult fucking a child is like 10 on the creep meter this is double that because it's two men that are brothers yeah and the same dna pedo squared yeah it's disgusting um oh boy wow uh so that happened uh the detective here said, quote, Joanne Curtis admits that at Christopher Dawson's instigation, she had sexual encounters with Paul Dawson, including both Christopher and Paul Dawson together. She did, too. Yeah, this poor girl did, too.

So I think that was just their game. They did that with everybody. That's why they had young girls to use as play things. young girls to use as play things so later in 1990 uh chris gets married again to who right away ah to a woman named sue okay so divorced yeah they're divorced quickly sue is a science teacher he met her because she's a teacher also and guess what she has uh twins no she has twins how fucked is that i don't like that at all how weird is that yeah what the fuck man that's why they talked in the first place yeah that was the opening thing i have twins oh are you guys what's it like being an adult with twins and the next thing you know

we fuck each other tell you what let's have biology class right here we fuck young girls together it's pretty cool your kids are gonna do that wow um so uh she's a science teacher and uh they're they he's living in yep uh oh this later on yepoon there uh yepoon he's living in which that makes sense perfect for him he looked at the map he's like that's where i'm gonna go i'm going to poontown sue taught science science at St. Brendan's Catholic Boys School. Yeah. And Chris was a teacher at St. Ursula's Girls College. No.

Girls. How? Switch, please. Just for... Oh, my God. Can you... Is there... How...

How... There's no statute of limitations on child molestation? Well... Is 16 child molestation... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There it is. And especially, no matter what, you can't fuck your students.

That's illegal. Can't she tell them that and they arrest him? Well. I mean, granted, her word against his, but isn't that enough? They have children. Yeah. They have a child. It's too much.

They did like public interviews together. He should be in jail. Well, yeah. I would say from all many things now at this point. Well, we know one for sure yeah one is definitely gross so they end up getting together her twin children took his name they take his last name of dawson while they're in school um yeah they they they're in yepoon this is yepoon oh downtown yep i'll take some poon this is a population of about 10,000 people here, and nobody knew Chris's story here.

What? This is the early 90s. There's no internet. Yeah. So nobody knew Chris. Just say, hey, I'm Chris. That's it. I played for rugby.

And they went, oh, wow, that's great. Cool. Look at you. All right. They didn't know his wife disappeared, and he just got divorced from the 16-year-old that him and his brother fucking Eiffel Towered in the science lab. None of that shit. They don't know any of this stuff this is all just whatever uh so they live kind of happily here 1999 comes along oh my god it's oh it's so long man it's been a long time

and uh paul's paul's wife and chris's sister-in-law marilyn is interviewed by the police in 1999 again because they have some different leads and she recalled that chris and joanne after they returned from queensland on christmas day remember they ran away they came back she said they stayed at her house for a while until joanne ended up staying behind and he moved back home and they went to marriage counseling he was home for like a week uh she believed that that point again she reiterated that lynn did not fight for her marriage and she stated that she does not believe that chris has anything to do with her disappearance and lynn just didn't fight for her marriage and wasn't interested in it and took off okay so that's what she says uh paul was also interviewed by detectives about what he knew and she said quote about the marriage he said quote i

think they were both pretty dissatisfied with certain aspects of their marriage they both probably had legitimate beefs chris is my twin brother so obviously he's close to me and i think they were sorting themselves out how many times they have to qualify that they're twins listen he's my twin brother oh we know and chris will say that she spent money like crazy and that was what brought their marriage problems on and blah blah blah thank you that was that's his story paul told police what chris told him that lynn had called him after her disappearance and that she had been cited on the central coast that and she may have run off with a religious group that's what all that he had said he agreed that lynn dawson was a good mother, but claimed that she was not overly affectionate.

And he also Paul denies having sex with Joanne Curtis. Like she said, that happened as well. So the detective said in relation to Joanne Curtis, have you ever had a relationship with Joanne Curtis? And Paul said, no, no physical relationship. And he said, no, no. It's one for me and one for my twin. Yeah. No, no. No relationship whatsoever. No no no it's one for me and one for my twin yeah no no no relationship whatsoever no no no no okay all right he did however admit to having

a relationship for some months with a former student that he taught at forest high gross lock him up then let's lock him up let's take him in i'm in jail paul said he had sex with this teenager quote in various places including once at his home. Oh, boy. But he denied Chris ever had sex with the same young woman. He said that we didn't. So it was just you that's a pedophile. So we just lock you up?

Well, he married his, you know, whatever the fuck you want to call it, his victim. Concubine? Yeah. Well, girl, victim, I think, here. That's probably the word. He married his victim. What'd you do with yours oh he didn't okay oh you just victimized that's all dumped her off good deal because your wife fought for her marriage excellent because he had a fighter at the house perfect that's great you should congratulate maryland he was sure his brother had nothing to do with the wife's disappearance so 1999 comes and goes yeah nothing

happens 2000 comes along and police dig at their former home in bayview yeah there's a specific a specific area where they want to dig where they say that there's been some they think the ground have been disturbed and blah blah blah and they want to dig in this area. 20 fucking years ago. Yeah, it's like 18, 19 years at this point. So they dig up this. They find no evidence of a body, no anything like that. What they do find buried under there, this is it, is a pink cardigan. Yeah. A sweater.

A pink cardigan sweater that belonged to Lynette. Uh-huh. But. No Lynette. No Lynette. So they had the pool put in in the whole yard redone so that could have been left outside the wind could have blown it here while they re-landscaped there's no way to say that's definitive evidence of well must have killed her right there's no arm attached

to it that would be bad just a sweater it's just a sweater but it's so that's something suspicious and in the paper that pink just a pink cardigan. That sounds very inflammatory in the media, but it doesn't really do anything. So 2001, there's a full inquest here. Two coroners find that Lynette Dawson was murdered by a quote known person. So they judge her to be dead. They judge her that she was not found anywhere, that she's probably officially dead and that she was probably murdered if she's dead. And she was probably murdered by a known person based on their investigation. And they said that that person that they thought was Chris Dawson.

So they thought it was her husband. Yeah. Their kids, by the way, were even talked to now because now they're adults and they have very little memory of any of this. But like 60 Minutes talks to them and they, you know, they have very little memory of any of this but like 60 minutes talks to them and they you know they ask them was your father a monster and all that and the one kid chanel just said that she remembers she doesn't you know she feels very confused by the whole thing she felt abandoned by her mother and she said that her father was a was fun and remembered her childhood fondly she said that he was a loving father and struggled to be

seen as the man that others made him out to be she said she just struggled to see it she couldn't see it so i don't see what they're talking about the the younger one sharon uh she said quote uh she said that uh it's a witch hunt for my dad my dad's getting hounded because there's all these people that have got it for him rather than focusing on perhaps that there could be someone else i hope she's thought it over a little more yeah that sounds like oj is going to search for the real killers i mean i feel bad for it's her father sure one in her mind mom abandoned us and all we've ever had is my dad so now you're gonna grow up with it what she grew up with so it's hard to what are you gonna say blame her but that's it um so 2001 comes and goes nothing ends up coming of this 2003 there's

another little hearing over this and two separate coroners again find that lynette was murdered by chris dawson so now this is a big one here there's a big court thing and uh the one coroner carl milanovich recommended a known person be charged with dawson's murder uh that's lynette dawson and her family uh you know that this this whole thing here they give testimony joanne gives a lot of testimony here and by the way joanne is now being taken in not taken in like you know living with them but taken in emotionally and uh whatever by a bunch of lynette's family aunts uncles cousins are all hugging her and crying at the hearing I mean she's a victim

she was a fucking kid right the hell does she know she's a kid from a messed up background understand no they had heard her evidence about how Chris was possessive and violent unwilling to let her go out the front door with the clothes and all that sort of shit so they said quote

Lynette's life was sacrificed, but he gave Joanne a dog life, is what this is one of her relatives. She said, I bear no malice toward her. So yeah, she had it bad, is what they're saying. You see, we didn't know, we didn't realize that Joanne

had nowhere else to go. That's why she went there to begin with. At the beginning, we were in such a state of shock, we couldn't anticipate that Lynette wasn't coming back. For years, our minds were in turmoil, but my mother believed Chris. He was part of our family.

And yeah, in this inquest, both Paul and Marilyn refused to appear for questioning. They don't come here. I don't know if you can't subpoena these people or what. They do have the other brother, Peter, the older brother. He's acting as Chris's attorney through this whole thing. What? So he's got his twin and then his older brother representing him here.

2001 and 2003, both inquests. Yeah. In 2014, yeah, I'm sorry here. 2014, yeah, I'm sorry here. Following all of this going on here, Peter says that Peter's mother-in-law, his wife's mother. New wife.

No, Peter's had been married to the same woman forever. Oh, Marilyn's wife. No, no, that's Paul. Peter is the older brother. They got a Peter and a Paul. Peter and a Paul. Peter, the attorney, his wife's mother. Got it. Ran away and moved to New Zealand.

Abandoned the family. Didn't wasn't around for like 10 years before she finally told everybody that she was alive. And he knows how this goes. So he's going. It happens. It happened in my family. I don't know what the hell here. I don't know why we have to say she's dead.

Who knows if she's dead and blah, blah, blah. You know, that's an interesting way to put it. And the closing submissions, the, the prosecution side said that a return to the allegations that Paul Dawson and Chris Dawson had sex with students. He said,

quote, there is the allegation that he and Chris had sex with another female student at the same time, which is flatly denied in his record interview. Paul also did. But she says it happens had happened. Paul also denies that his relationship occurred at the time the girl was still in school. And yet her statement describes incidents which could have only happened during her school years. You know, like having sex at school, things like that, you know, how that works.

So they're represented, like we said, by the brother. The investigating officers also alluded to the involvement of Paul Dawson in the disappearance of Lynette. And my friend has some has suggested some sinister connection between them is what Peter saying. I suggest with respect that all has been demonstrated to be a very all it's been demonstrated here is a very strong sibling bond, not a conspiracy to be pedophiles and kill women. Oh, my God. We just fuck kids together.

That's all. That's all. So at this point, there's a $200,000 reward for anyone who has information. At that point, 2003. Anyway, what's Chris up to during all this? I hope arrested for pedophilia well actually he has been through all the 2003 because he's very busy with this he's been put on light duties and removed from contact with pupils in his teaching job at saint ursula's college a private

girls school in yapon in yapoon queensland yes poon not charged at all with anything he's like we're gonna put to put them aside with the kids guess what that's temporary because then he's right back into teaching once this all dies down how do you not fire the man i have no idea he's not charged he goes back to teaching gym imagine this asshole sitting in the class with his fucking whistle around his neck in the gym, waiting for the girls to file out of the locker room, being like, I'm going to kick me one of these out. Just standing there, fucking expecting them to burst through the door any time out of the locker room.

But instead, who ends up bursting out instead? It's the CEO and chairman of the WWE. It's Vince McMahon. he bursts out of the locker room and he says how is it you've come to arrive here look at you oh you're a handsome beautiful bastard look at it oh take your shirt off for me. Let's take a look at those. I don't know. I can't see you in the ring, but I think you'd be a good manager.

Maybe on the women's side. Maybe like the junior division if I have like a... I like it a lot. I'm just telling you that right now. I like your style. I really do. I enjoy your style, you and your brother. I feel like if we combine you, the fact that you're identical,

if we put some overalls on you, I'm just saying, you're going to be the Dawson boys and all the young girls are running for the hills. They're coming for your daughters. That's what it's going to be. Ah, the pedo math teachers.

You're going to get booed from everywhere. It's going to be wonderful. Their finishing move is the tag team. Yeah. And then when you're done, you tag team. We'll say then when you're done, yeah, yeah, yeah, you tag team. What we, you know,

well, we'll say it's a young girl. Obviously, she'll have to be of age. You know, goddamn laws the way they are. These fucking goddamn pussies out here making this fucking law. We'll do all of that and we'll do all,

and then when we're done, we'll kill one of your wives. It's going to be the best show ever. And then poof. And a poof of 1099s. Other people's sweat. And Oxycontin. He's gone.

An empty steroid vial. He's out of there. And everyone's very surprised. And they're like, who was that? What a disgusting couple of people. Right? Vince and he in the same room. Yikes.

It's a scummy conversation. Oh, man. So the appearance of Joanne Curtis giving evidence here made it a big story. Because she was the one saying, you know, he's fucking me in school. And they fucking Eiffel Tower me with his brother and all that kind of thing. That's a big yeesh. That's going to be awfully inflammatory. So the publicity became pretty big on this here.

pretty big on on this here and uh so much so the couple ends up moving to uh to again these to the sunshine coast here uh where they have a property on the gold coast at bigger waters nice which is a 15 minute drive from who paul and marilyn as well yeah move on down there of course 2006 okay there's an episode of the British show, and well, there's versions in every country, but the Antique Road Show. Yeah. The British version. Right.

Filmed in Padstow, Cornwall. Yeah. All right. Well, this isn't worth shit, but thank you for bringing it. Oh, it's not worth shit. It's not even old. Still in its packaging.

It says copyright 2016. There's a fucking price tag on it. its packaging. It says copyright 2016. There's a fucking price tag on it. This is worth $16.99. Thank you for bringing it. It's a sticker, mate.

I didn't have those. What is this, a Passive Paul garbage bag? It isn't worth anything. It's already been torn off. Passive Paul's the worst. So he claims chris does yeah that in the background of the episode while someone was getting something a praise he saw her he saw there she is unbelievable that's where she is in the the background. She's at the road show. At the road show.

It's a 2006 episode that he's claimed he didn't see until 2010. And he noticed it. He's like, son of a bitch. God damn it. He says she was one of the bystanders watching an appraisal. Okay, he's just a big fan of the road show. That's it. Oh, there she is.

Okay, he's just a big fan of the road show. That's it. Oh, there she is. 2015, the Unsolved Homicide Unit, which is not a TV show. It's a real thing. Established something called Strike Forced Scriven to reinvestigate Lynette's suspected murder. It's just a scrum of detectives. That's what you call a scrum of detectives, a scriven? Yeah. I believe so. What do you call a scrum of detectives that's what you call a scrum of detectives a scriven yeah i believe so what do you call scrum of detectives a scriven yes yes they're just solvent crimes everyone

write that down now um wow they're still now what are the twins up to at this point chris and paul they live uh in queensland like we said the Gold Coast. They spend a lot of time together. Paul has a, quote, one twin license number, license plate, and on his Subaru SUV, and Chris has a two twin license plate. Oh my God, they are thing one

and thing two. Yeah, just twin one and twin two. Asshole. Asshole one and asshole two. So they say his brother is still the more forceful personality he's also the better football player uh he was also a better teacher even he became deputy principal despite diddling kids so that's pretty good to cite accusations of child molestation from oh girl and uh unlike his brother he's also been married to the same woman. Admissions of child molestation. Yeah.

Two detectives. Yeah. Holy fuck. He's still a deputy principal. He cleaned it up. Don't worry. Fuck. Jesus Christ.

Now, 2018, everything changes. In Australia, there is a podcast called The Teacher's Pet. Yeah. And it launches. Okay. And it fucking blows the lid off of everything this is great it's like australian cereal basically in terms of like a popularity thing people are listening and it is just a globally it really becomes a big deal yeah uh chris dawson is

the main subject of this investigative podcast series it's uh by journalist hedley thomas is the guy who puts it together the guy who puts it together. The lady who puts it together. I'm not sure. Hedley is not positive. Sounds... We're Americans. Australian.

The only Hedley we know is from Blazing Saddles and it's Hedley Lamar. So that's it. Yeah. Now, this Hedley Thomas investigated allegations about the disappearance of Lynette Dawson

and brought Chrisris dawson into a little bit of a spotlight here and the police investigation into the allegations of abuse at cromer high that's what this was mainly about was about they admitted it teacher right was about pedophilia that went on whatever and from this guy i guess investigating pedophilia it opened up the hole that he murdered his wife so he could fuck underage kids thank god type of thing so um he ends up talking to former students who spoke out about uh what's called disturbing alleged incidents at the school all this shit here i mean it came all the way out uh the accusations included that in 1980 a male teacher raped a female student uh ex-students claimed their

concerns were ignored by the school when they tried to complain about teachers coming on to them they didn't care great word because that's exactly what it is whether it's yeah consensual or not that's fucking right i think they're saying this was not only not legally but also not you know okay also i don't know logically not a, I don't even know what the whole word is. Definitively. Yeah, just basically, let's just say. By definition. Either way. So they said that the podcast was key in bringing new evidence out, because these are people that sometimes the cops didn't even fucking talk to.

Wow. So, I mean, sometimes it takes somebody with severe focus, you know, like they did with the Golden State Killer and all that sort of thing. If the cops have other shit going on, they're not as good at it as someone who does it 24 hours a day sometimes, if they also have investigative skills on top of that. So a journalist a lot of times can do that. They said it's important that people maintain confidence in the police force. Well, that would be good. Said, I'm hoping that any victim

that comes forward on historic even on historic matters gets justice our child abuse crime squad are looking into all of these matters i know that people have come forward and will continue to investigate those matters with the same passion and vigor that we've had since 2015 if only i had it since 1980 yeah we'd have been doing a lot better uh the spokesman for the high school said that any past students of cromer high forest high or beacon hill high who had been a victim of inappropriate conduct should contact the school and go through the channels here they also said the department shouldn't be passive and wait for potential victims to come forward said quote i'd be surprised if the department didn't have records from those years. There needs to be some active investigation into whether there's any truth to those allegations.

Yeah, I would say a number of former students were featured on the podcast and having shocking shit that they were talking about of teachers sleeping with multiple students all over the place. An ex-pupil of Dawson's said that some teachers in that era at Cromer High viewed sex with year 11 and 12, that's juniors and seniors, as, quote, no, no, no, both age, and no matter what, you're not allowed to fuck your students. Yeah, but I mean, they view it as legal. They view it as a, quote, fringe benefit of the job to fuck 16-year-olds. Oh, boy. Yeah, that's what I was trying to...

Like getting batteries from your job yes exactly like if you're taking some post-it notes home steal a couple rolls of tape yeah hey what what's the difference between tape and a kid's butthole that's what i mean yeah same thing yeah extra stapler i use the gas card to fill up my personal car. Extra stapler, sophomore's virginity, same shit. Gross. It's disgusting. Oh, my God. So in one episode, his cousin, Chris's cousin, Judy Brown, said that the Cromer High teacher at one point took his new girlfriend, Joanne, that's him, when he was with Joanne, to a family reunion shortly after Linda disappeared. He shows up with a 16 year

old going hi yeah my wife's gone so i'm with her now good to see you all she said that uh at that point like joanne would sit on his lap while lynn was home too so like it was kind of in the open um yeah it was really weird uh the whole thing was fucking weird so uh yeah this all keeps going on by december of 2018 the podcast has 28 million downloads amazing so i mean it's fucking crushed and really brought a lot of attention to this so much so in september of 2018 police start actually searching for the fucking body again in fact there was times in the podcast when they said hey uh you need to search this here what the hell and then the police would police be searching it two days later right where they

said to search so they were we have nothing yeah so if podcast guy can come up with some shit great we'll be there so they search they search a detective a new episodes out yeah for you to go go follow leads let's go everybody they will follow we've so the uh they go through a search of of the beaches and all that sort of thing where they lived they believe the body had been buried somewhere around there possibly around the house the house at that point had sold the year before for two million dollars and is described as an elegant family sanctuary it's a five bedroombath property with a pool, sold for $2.4 million, which is...

Sanctuary or cemeteries. Exactly, and then they want to dig it up and look for it. Hey, by the way, that thing you spent $2.5 million on, there might be a dead body there, so we're going to have to rip it apart. The realtors described it as nestled on an impressive 4167 square meter uh square meters on beautiful established grounds and landscaped gardens the elegant family sanctuary provides a remarkable privacy and tranquility unless the entire cold case squad is digging up your backyard right that's a different story criterion brothers yeah stan that's what i picture just those two

the versatile layout also boasts multiple living areas to comfortably accommodate the entire family. The police returned for a second day of digging at the property. And, yeah, they said that they're going to focus on several areas of the property where anomalies had been detected by, you know, like high-tech equipment. Sonars, yeah. Yeah. They said it's a bid to get justice for lynn he said quote we are digging in four areas a small area at the back of the house between the rock and the building another area in the backyard near the clothesline another area a

little further up in the backyard and around the pool area uh commander cook here he said his officers were working on the dig they'd excavate to the bottom of the property's pool. Whoa. But not underneath it because it had been installed prior to the disappearance. It's probably not under a pool, which, duh, that makes sense. And you can't undermine a pool. No, you'd have to. We can tunnel under it to put a body under there.

So they said, in terms of the other parts of the yard, we'll go until we hit rock. So they're going to dig. They're going to dig the shit up. Said it's a complex block of land because it's largely rock. So digging isn't easy. It's like Arizona. It's the same thing. If you go in a yard in Arizona, there's a little bit of dirt and then ding, ding, you're hitting rock.

And that's that. You're not going any further. Digging pools is tough going. Yeah. It takes dynamite a lot to do that. a lot to do that yeah they said um a media spokeswoman for the crime for the state crime command said that the dig uh has not affected the current occupants of the property unless they want to go in their backyard obviously they said that they're searching everywhere they're going to find them they're going to find her they know it okay december 4th 2018 um this is lynn's two siblings

pat jenkins and phil sims not that phil sims yeah they said uh they spoke to the australian this is Lynn's two siblings Pat Jenkins and Phil Sims not that Phil Sims they said they spoke to the Australian on that day about the investigation and they said quote they can't be much longer Shirley they've had it for so long it's our last chance here's hoping hey and then the one said I'm sure for Chanel

it will be very mixed and for Sharon she will be devastated if they find their mother and she believes totally in her father. Chanel wants the truth. She wants to honor her mother. She always talks about honoring her mother. The truth has to come out. December 5th, 2018, the next day, Chris Dawson is arrested at his home in Queensland for Lynette's murder.

Yeah. They actually arrest him. They say that he went quietly with police as he was arrested. They said that he was calm with police as he was arrested. They said that he was calm and seemed a bit taken aback. A bit taken aback by it. It's been so long. They said they received wonderful information earlier in this week that there was enough evidence that they could arrest him. The prosecution said, let's just arrest him.

There's plenty based on circumstantial shit. Why? Because there's no body, no crime here, is what he's thinking the whole time. Yeah. No body, no crime. But instead, there is. So they said, no doubt it will be of voluminous briefs

with enormous amount of evidence, and there will be a number of witnesses who will be called. They said that, yeah, they're going to do it. He says he's not guilty, obviously. They're going to do it with no body. No body. They're going to prosecute based on, you based on all of the circumstantial evidence.

I know it's possible, but that's... It's the lies, mainly. It's all the lies around it. That's a tough one, man. That's a really tough prosecution. They said... His brother said, we're disappointed in the decision to arrest him.

There is clear and uncontested evidence that Lynn Dawson was alive long after she left chris and her daughters um yeah antique road show not only that there's more and we have no doubt that chris will be found not guilty they said that uh you know this whole thing that the neighbors say that they were stunned about it there's a long way to go but i can't actually contain my emotions i feel like running through the streets and screaming at the top of my voice it's something that i never thought we'd get to. They said that she's vindicated finally, and her family is very, very happy about this

whole thing. Yeah. They said that it would be something that they further explore. They want to find the body, obviously. And they said that we certainly won't give up on the search. I mean, Jesus Christ. I feel these fucking kids i can't imagine man these two daughters my god and they're both in different places in their lives you know

what they believe in what they agree with i mean so delicate between them and joanne who i feel horrible for i mean no matter what i don't even care i'm not even saying it but i mean if i don't even care if she helped. She was six. She didn't. But I mean, even if she'd had, she's still a victim. She's a victim. The whole thing's fucked. I mean, I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy.

So many. But not nearly. God damn it. As bad as I feel for Chris Dawson. Yeah. Material coordinator at St. Joseph's Hospital and Medical Center in Phoenix. There. Chris Dawson, author and president at Unlock a Book Publishers, LLC.

Chris Dawson, team leader at 24-7 InTouch in Phoenix. We have Chris Dawson, COO at Sunrun in San Francisco. We have Chris Dawson, COO at Sunrun in San Francisco. Chris Dawson, sales and marketing manager at Attic Perfect, Attic Perfect Inc., which I think makes your attic better, nicer. Finishing Attics? Burlingame, California. I only said that because that was a bad small-town murder. Probably blowing in insulation.

Chris Dawson, director of security at Lucky Eagle Casino and Hotel at Lakeland, Florida. And finally, Chris Dawson, teacher slash bartender. You poor bastard. In the Dallas-Fort Worth area. If there's anybody creepier. You poor bastard. If this guy was a teacher and a bartender, that's horrifying. That's bad stuff.

You want to hear something really funny? Yeah. As a podcaster? Fucking Chris Dawson reviewed the podcast what did he say reviewed get out the podcast dead serious he went in and logged in that's his thing that he has on other things they did some investigating they found out that's him one star bullshit bullshit he's so mad poorly researched and flat out untrue can't believe people believe this shit also the bloke that did chris dawson's voice was way off he doesn't even sound like me i mean him oh baby that is beautiful man man. Unbelievable. That's gorgeous right there. Bullshit.

Bullshit. There he is. What's his defense? Yeah. His defense is that, well, people have seen her, apparently. They said that, yeah, he told his wife, he told, a guy told his wife, told the investigators that his wife, Sue, was, I'm sorry, this is told the investigators that his wife, Sue, was I'm sorry. This is Chris told investigators that his wife, Sue, his new wife after 1990, was working at a fruit barn and call Nura on the New South Wales Central Coast.

When she saw Lynn in person later on. She believes she saw Lynn Dawson in the fruit barn itself. And she went to approach her and Lynn walked out of the place, got in the car, and left. She knew. She knew it was his wife. I'm running. There she is. She said that Sue had, I guess, whatever.

She knew them before that and from teaching and all that sort of shit. So they said that, where's this? Oh, my God. So they said that, where's this? Oh, my God. Another one. This is another guy, another lady who was saying that she saw Lynn, too. But they said if somebody if she had seen somebody that way may have been an appearance to Lynn. She knew Lynn extremely well. She may have wanted to see Lynn for herself. This woman died in 1998. It's not Chris's wife. It's some other woman named sue uh she never got to give evidence or anything like that also right now there is a 101 year old woman who says she saw her imagine if you're only yeah you're you're your lifeline to freedom is a hundred year old one year old woman testifying oh my god saner just saner uh elva mcbay yeah said she caught a glimpse of lynette dawson alive and well at a royal parade in sydney in 1983 i'm sure you did yep she told the court that uh she was a lifelong fan of the newton rugby league team for which dawson and his twin brother played

she became friends with paul when they both worked at a high school in the late 70s and was a frequent visitor to their house and was familiar with Lynette. I was only 75. I was only still a very old lady. That's the thing. They still said this old lady and she's still alive. She said she was waiting in line outside Sydney Hospital to meet Prince Charles and Princess Diana on March 28th, 1983, when she believed she saw Lynette running across the street. March 28th, 1983, when she believed she saw Lynette running across the street.

She said a woman approximately six to eight people down the line ducked under the barricade and ran in front of a police motorcade, escorting the royal couple. So she said she took off. I saw her face for a few seconds and she ran straight across in front of the motorbikes. It was terribly dangerous. She could have been badly injured. And they said, and you think that was Lynn Daw dawson and she said i did think that and they also uh she uh uh yeah and also there was the antiques road show and uh yeah which is the best sighting the old woman said that she thought that uh it looked very very much like lynn um yeah she also said that chris seemed like a very quiet placid person and a wonderful husband

he didn't yell at his wife in front of an 80 year old lady what a what a fucking prince she said that uh he was not aggressive enough uh she said he's not violent she said even on the rugby field she said he was not he was not that aggressive enough he was even too quiet on the field she said he's not even wasn't even aggressive on the field what are we talking about um yeah she said that she attended a children's birthday party at chris dawson's house in july 1981 and was told by lynette that she had been involved in an awful fight with a teenage student of chris's who had moved into their home to help with babysitting she said that i've had the most dreadful row with the teenager this morning. She said she just wants to get rid of me. I said, oh, Lynn, you can't be hurt like this.

You should get her out of the house before she causes you any trouble. She said my mother said exactly the same thing. So that's a fight. That's a fight. Yeah. So that she's saying that maybe that the, you know, she's trying to suggest that maybe Joanne did this and it's not him. The prosecution, though, there's a lot of holes in a story that has no i mean they can't prove she

didn't just walk out so that's a hard one here um he maintained that his former wife walked out on him and that's it and they won't uh that's it there's more people that have died that also said they saw her after the fact and And how many people have seen Elvis? So, I mean, that happens and Tupac and everything else. One witness died. Her daughter gave evidence at the second inquest and said, my mother told me that if she was here today, she saw that she saw Lynn Dawson on that day. So they allow like hearsay. Not only do they allow that, they also allow a psychic to come into the proceedings.

Get out of my life. Serious psychic. They also allow a psychic to come into the proceedings. Get out of my life. Serious psychic. Oh, my God. Debbie Malone told the hearing here that she first came across the Dawson case when she watched a part of an Australian ABC story in 2003. She said that she felt the spirit of Mrs. Dawson around her after seeing the episode and assumed she was dead. Later contacting police to offer assistance. And then she,

uh, met Mrs. Dawson symbol siblings, Greg and Pat, and went to the home, uh, went to the home. She was,

and she told the court that she used a watch and a bracelet of Lynette to quote, tune into her spirit through psycho psychometry, psychometry, I guess. Yeah. The act of using an object in order to connect to the energy of an owner. It's like when you let a dog sniff something and you go find it. It's the same thing. All she has to do is rub her thumb around your watch.

That's it. She says, I have clairvoyance so I can hear her speak to me. Yeah. She said that in court. That's in a court of law, Jimmy. This isn't like on a TV show in a court of law jimmy this isn't like on a tv show in a court of law oh my god when i tune into an item or a photograph it's like watching television i see snippets of her life okay at times she spoke in the first person as mrs as fucking lynette

in the meeting with the detective she believed that she was buried miss dawson was buried uh on or near her former bayview home she also said that uh the detective was skeptical but had an open mind wow i would say so uh she in the next six months visited the property to compare what she had been uh what she had seen during the reading with the location she said oh my god i felt she was located near an area close to the big rock at the back of the house near the fire trail it was somewhere in that vicinity she was uh not provided with any information of the case and and uh she said she had no interest in pursuing monetary rewards either okay the court also heard from a neighbor who claimed she saw another neighbor who saw miss

saw lynette a couple years later and um this person said uh they she that this person saw lynette at rock castle hospital in 1984 where she was working as part of the staff okay that was yeah she said i didn't i didn't think much of it because it wasn't strange to see her there because of her occupation. Okay. So Chris is extradited to New South Wales to face trial. And December 17, 2018, he's granted bail. And his family paid 1.5 million Australian dollars. Wow. 1.5 million Aussies for him to be released.

That's like three kangaroos. It's like four kangaroos it's like four kangaroos and five fosters it's a lot so the uh magistrate said that while he's on bail he must live at the uh house with his wife obviously can't go anywhere uh his forthcoming release is god one point five million dollar shorty drawn from the value of his house and his elder brother peter's house as well um so the kids sue's kids his adopted basically kids they no longer use his name as their last name and reverted to their biologicals father's name but they're still friends with him they're still friends on facebook with their daughter with his daughter ch, Chanel. So there seems to be something going on here.

Now, their daughter, Joanne, and Chris's daughter, Kristen, she says it's a really hard moment for us at the time here. Knowing that this is what she came from is not great. I'm sure. 2019, as the court hearings start to ramp up, the podcast is taken down legally to not cloud it. Yeah. Not cloud the deal yeah so it was temporarily removed from download in australia in april 2019 to help ensure that chris dawson gets a fair trial so um yeah he pleads not guilty to the murder in june of 2019 in february 2020 he is committed to stand trial for the murder of Lynette, which is a big thing he has to go through.

There's some weird thing in Australia where you can try to have it like basically shelved. And they said no. And they said they were going forward with it. So he said he would plead not guilty and he would go to trial. I'm sure they do that with every single case. Yeah. How about we don't have this? How about can we just not have it?

No, we're going to do it. Is that like moving for a mistrial here or something? It gotta be february 2020 he is committed to stand trial for the murder like we said his arraignment is set for april but then covet happened after february so we got all sorts of delays april 2020 uh is the formally pleading not guilty during a uh hearing four witnesses said that they had seen him or her alive and she's saying see dawson's brother-in-law ross hutchinson told the court that he saw lynette alive about three to six months after her disappearance on the side of a road in victoria or i'm sorry at the side of victoria road in gladesville standing outside a hospital another one she said that uh

she was standing at a bus stop. And he said, I immediately recognized her as Lynn Dawson. I also noticed at the time, at the time to my left was Gladesville Hospital. Lynn was a nurse. I put two and two together. Lynn was standing outside the hospital

where I assumed she was working. He said that he, I told the investigators about this. The police knew everything. I don't know what the fuck basically because they said in 1999 he didn't tell the police that when they re-interviewed him and he said i thought they knew about it already okay so uh there he's banking on 101 year old elva mcveigh hell yeah and and and some and a still frame from an Antiques Roadshow is his defense.

Hang in there, Elva. And there is a change.org petition here to find Lynette's body. Well, no shit. We all want to find the body here. That'd be nice. Only 59 people have signed this, which makes no sense. It doesn't cost anything to sign up. And we'd like to say, weird, too, with the Teacher's Pet Podcast having so popular. So change.org. They have 59 signatures and and said let's get to 100 wow we could probably do

that right maybe they didn't maybe the podcast didn't know about that maybe it might have came out later so i think we can get to 100 but um that's that can't get enough he's still waiting it's on trial covid has delayed this whole thing. So we will certainly give you an update on whether he is convicted or not. At the moment, he's 72 years old, pushing 73. Yeah. So, I mean, we'll see what happens. He's also charged with child sex crimes.

Good. God damn it. He is charged with the school. He's charged with everything. Basically, they charge him with having sex with school kids. They charge him with murder. They charge him with the school. He's charged with everything, basically. They charge him with having sex with school kids. They charge him with murder. They charge him with the whole shebang. He's saying not guilty to everything down the line. He's been railroaded.

It's a witch hunt, his daughter said. Witch hunt for my dad. So that's that. Oh, my God. Can't get enough. Too bad. Fuck this guy. He's gross.

He's disgusting. Follow his murder trial. There you go. That's how you can get enough of him is follow his disgusting murder trial that everybody is going on down to australia for chris dawson and uh quite the episode i would say that's a weird one you know what it was james it was bullshit bullshit it's all bullshit it's all bullshit. It's all bullshit, man. This is unreal. Bullshit. One star. Paunchy fat fuck. Paunchy fuck.

So, yes, that is a wild story. And like I said, no end to it right now. And I didn't know when it would ever resolve. And it might not resolve before we wrap up doing the show for good. Who the fuck knows how much longer we'll do the show. So I was like, let's get it out of the way now. Because I know that COVID backed it up. But it backed up a million other things, too.

So they're like a year and a half behind on the court system. So I don't know how long this is going to take. So we needed to get it out of the way and go see Chris Dawson and go down there. And we'll also be back with the Newtown Jets or Newton Jets, whatever the hell they are, for Gary Sullivan as well, because he did a bunch of crazy shit, too. So we'll talk about somebody else on that team. If you like that episode, there is a very easy way to tell us and the whole world about it get on apple podcasts and don't say bullshit say i like this show and give us five stars you can say anything you want it doesn't matter but it does help and if you say bullshit it doesn't

help at all so try to help out the show that way i'm surprised he got that on there because they fucking they bleep that stuff i don't know if in australia they don't maybe maybe they don't bullshit in australia is a good thing it's probably like you probably say cunt on there you know what i mean you probably could bunch of passive balls down there it's all passive balls let more passive balls than cranky chris's i'll say that much so uh yeah do that what was i where was i shut up and give me murder.com go there yeah and uh go get tickets for the virtual live show, Small Town Murder. It's going to be awesome. Can't wait.

We're going to put together a really, really funny show, and all the visuals are there. We're going to pretend like we're in a theater. Yeah. We're going to have the same setup, and we're just going to say, hey, this is a theater, and all you people out there will be the crowd, and we're going to have a really, really good time. So shut up and give me murder.com July 29th and for 72 hours after that, it'll be available.

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to do it's all good karma and you'll still be a producer and he'll still screw your name absolutely in every way he'll mangle it so i think that's said jimmy i need to hear the list of long list of people who would never ever eiffel tower a 10th grader please jimmy hit me with that list right now this week's executive producers alistair george who donated both ways wow and an unbelievable sweet don't thank you so much thank you so much yeah i remember the thank you so much that's really cool other other uh producer i don't know other executives this week are elizabeth hawk colleen vigas i think that's a g josh denton george jordan bennett jesus i put okay jordan bennett i'm sorry amanda with no last name dan cammon zined zined uh christine mellick and shelby whitman thank you guys so much we can't do it without you oh god thank you other producers this week are peyton meadows liz vasquez kettle

passmore also jenny uh more of morovic more more of it her son is uh suffering it's brutal but she listens to us to to help her get through it and uh it's very very sweet i don't think too much about no it's happening in our life. Glad we could be there for you. Hang in there, Jenny. Hang in there. We're here for you. I'm so glad you got a tough kiddo. Other producers also are Anat Falah, Michelle Lockhart, Jeff Carlson, Liz Vasquez,

James Marder. Michelle Lockhart was in Steve Irwin's memory also. He passed away recently. I guess he loved us, which was very nice. nice miss you already spencer westcott uh nick with no last name carl kirschner christopher gillespie andrea alakia yeah abigail lore allison brewer ryan commons jackson palmer alec nope that's andy kropf and and it's cute but also apparently that's what i'm told evidently he's got a great one well

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there you go becky come come let's see leah what is this line lena gasper vince acuti what yep you got that jimmy bobby please any italian people out there just even if it's just a fucking dollar i don't care we i'm not trying to, but... It'll be worth it. Please, it'll be worth it to hear Jimmy destroy your name. Taylor Ireland, Joshua Burton, Mary Bates, Sean Mead, June Dickinson, Adam Yates, Brendan Ables, David Wallace, Steve Slade, Alexandra Gerwell, Trevor Hansen, Brandon Germany, Jolie Coyle, Ashley Vio, Owen Harrington, Sindra Opalski, Kristen Hendler, I think, Sydney Vittori.

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Laura Becker Thompson. Yeah. Cole Cunderson. Daisy Ray Hayes. Alex Avila. Jesse and Sarah. La La La Leslie. Matt Lukasik.

I don't know. Elizabeth Cosimero. April Grant. Matthew Westmoreland. Westmolan. Miranda Krebs. Leilani Heal. Tiffany Smith.

Amanda Journey. Logan Bream. Brendan O'Donnell. Haley Harwood, Patricia Winterbauer. Hey, nope, that's Hannah Black, Amanda Baxter and all of our patrons. You guys are terrific. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, everybody. Honestly, for everything you do for us, because God damn it, do we appreciate it? Absolutely.

We do appreciate it. Thanks for hanging with us and everything else. Thanks for supporting what we do and running with us and having a great time about it. What if they wanted to support you? How could they do it, Jimmy? Yeah, you can find me at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N Sucks, on Twitter and Instagram. It's been a hell of a start to this year, and I appreciate all you guys hanging in with me. I've got enough challenges.

Where can they find you? Challenges is a way to put it, I would say, yes. You can find me at JimmyPIsFunny, or you can just copy him you know how to find people you know how to find people god damn it if you want to find me so do that find us keep coming back week after week after week we have a lot of crazy famous people and wild episodes coming up so keep on coming back and uh until next week, everybody. Oh, no, that's crime. That's all time murders exit. Let's start over again. Why? From the crime and sports studios.

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