Crime in Sports - #243 - At Least His Murder Wasn't Phony - The Concoctedness of Rafiel Torre

Episode Date: January 26, 2021

This week, we look at a man who made himself a legend, on the early days of the internet, with his MMA reporting, and past of being a Navy SEAL, Brazilian JuJitsu black belt & undefeated underground fighting champion, named Rafiel Torre. It was a great story, until people started to question whether it was actually true. One thing that definitely was true was a murder, committed in cold blood, with a plan to get away with it. Will he succeed? Become a black belt, dominate the underground forrest fighting scene, then have to explain the truth, while trying to fight off a murder charge! It's Rafiel Torre!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!! Contact us on... twitter.com/[e-mail]/Crimeinsportsinstagram.com/smalltownmurder  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I love it. This is a weird one. This is one of those strange, strange tales where you don't know what to make of it. It's not like, oh like oh okay here's a guy he's born here you know here's his nfl career he went to college there he played for 10 none of that this is this is a completely completely different thing with very very very little sports involved in this left turn very little sports let's get into it and talk about Raphael Torre. Yeah. You know who that is?

No. No, you don't. Of course you don't. Raphael, R-A-F-I-E-L. Oh. Yeah. So we'll find out where that came from. And then Torre, like Joe, like the manager, T-O-R-R-E.

So either Joe Torre, the manager or the comedian, whichever one you want to go. So there you go. He is born in 1964. Okay okay don't know an exact date and there's a reason for that well you'll find out exactly what's going on there now not sure much about his childhood and it doesn't really matter because we'll find out he he'll tell us his childhood and he'll he'll tell us let's let we'll let him kind of fill in his own story let him narrate this thing okay this he pops up in the late 90s mid to late 90s mid 90s really uh he's one of the he's an early internet adopter oh okay so he's one of these guys that was very

very much he was like an mma quote unquote journalist like you know there's a million of those now all these different sites he was one of the first ones to be doing that to be on the internet talking about mma talking about ufc talking about all that shit in the 90s when it wasn't really popular and it was it took a lot of heat from you know legislators and i remember john mccain was trying to get it banned and a lot of people trying to it was it took a lot of heat from, you know, legislators. And I remember John McCain was trying to get it banned. And a lot of people trying to it was it was in this really weird, muddy kind of quicksand estuary of nothingness where it was. Is it going to get banned? Is it going to not get banned?

And then the Internet was brand new. So it was all dark, murky territory yeah and emerging from that like the creature from the black lagoon is rafael tory yeah online being like this kind of uh pied piper of mma okay talking about it all the time and gaining a pretty good following talking about fighting so really yeah because back then there wasn't a lot of it on there so it's the the internet the weird thing is like the beginning of the internet you owe to like the military yeah and then after that to nerds sure who were like bored and wanted to i've read a lot of shit like they literally wanted to send each other software so they invented email so they could send shit like that like attachments yeah email attachments were

invented by a guy who wanted to show people who wanted to show his friends pictures of his grandkids and couldn't send. Really? Yeah, because you had to have like all these different plug ins and all these programs to get a computer. It would basically take a picture apart and then put it back together again. These programs. Wild. So he was like, this is ridiculous. So I'm going to sit down and figure out a way to make it work through email.

And he invented attachments. Incredible. And just invented attachments. Incredible. And we just because he was like, oh, good. Now I can send pic not because look at me. Yeah, this is changing everything. He was like, now I can finally send a picture. My goddamn grandkids. They're perfect.

Yeah. Just invented for his own need that he needed. I told you they were ugly. Yeah. See, so that's my little daughter. My granddaughter. She's going to be hideous. I'm telling it's going to be bad.

You agree? It's bad. She's writing me a letter back because you can't reply you're never gonna reply to this that's weird though that's that's the internet way it started so and then you owe kind of the swelling of the internet to meatheads yeah and i'm talking about of every different variety but computer savvy meatheads so it's a different brand of meathead like mma and wrestling yeah really were kind of they were the first one of the first big huge things online that normal people did well it's also the only way you could see the uh uh the actual mma fights at that time because that's the other thing right

but they couldn't, you couldn't stream them back then, but you would get results online rather than, you know, some magazine that would come out two months from now. You could go right to the message board and a guy like Raphael Torre would be posting who won, who won a description of the fight,

you know, critiques and all that shit. And he did that. And so people were into that. So that's how they would interact because there was no video there's no youtube back then no streaming dial up connections and shit so it's all typing but yeah he's he's one of the first people to do that but in the beginning it was like wrestling was really blew up sure the internet like that was one of the first things that really got things popping. Like when wrestling websites came out, even like WCW and WWF and they would do something, they would get so much traffic.

It would shut the shit down because they didn't have they didn't realize that that many people were even gave a shit. Yeah. And they're like, wow, pretty much everyone on the Internet's interested in this wild because there wasn't a lot on there either. So anyway, he ended up being like this kind of you know underground internet personality around mma and involved in that he would talk about his own that he was a fighter as well kind of his own backstory and why he's you know look like an mma journalist basically like you can't just be like i don't know i just watched a fight fascinating he's got to kind of say what his credentials are shit like that you have to have some you either have to be

like an announcer or you have to be like a guy who has good uh who's done it who's done it who you're either the you're either play by play or color right color has to have experience and know what he's talking about and play by play just has to sound really good about it yeah you know there he is he's on top of him humping him what's that called right then the other guy comes in with the al michaels and then toby brumo breaks down the play yeah exactly that's that's the formula of sports broadcasting forever clever it's well yeah one guy has to carry it and then one guy knows what he's talking about and the other guy's fun about knowing what he's talking about, I guess. One guy can speak.

Yeah. Right. And the other guy may or may not have- One guy's read the dictionary. The other one's probably had the dictionary blasted out of him. He may or may not have brain damage, the guy next to him, but he knows this one thing. You can just put a quarter in him, and he's going to recite whatever the shit this one thing is. So, anyway, Raphael here, he talks about his record of fighting and his training and his dad and all this type of shit.

He says that his dad is a Brazilian, and so he's Brazilian, and his dad taught him Brazilian jiu-jitsu since he was a child growing up so that's his like his entra his entree into the world of mma and why ufc was so he likes so much as that's why because he said this is all he's been doing since he was a kid uh he speaks of being of having and this is you know back then back then too you got to look at this like the 90s early 90s nobody had cameras no nobody had video you're right to tape something on video and i say tape because it would be on a fucking tape and that wasn't an accident no to put something on video you had a big video camera right there that was it no one just had like oh i got my camera on me quick i'll record this that it was fit in one hand it was heavy as a motherfucker you needed your shoulder for leverage yeah and even in the early 90s when they got a little bit smaller,

you needed to make sure the battery was charged. It was an ordeal. You didn't just have your camera quick and whip it out and film something. If you wanted to film something, it's like, I'm prepared to film that. I got it all set. It's a thing. And the internet and Bob Saget facilitated people getting those. Yeah.

No shit, yeah, it was Bob Saget. I'm going to, honey, we need this $800 video camera in case my son hits me in the nuts with a wiffle bat. That way, the whole world can see it. Then we can maybe pay our rent. The whole world can see it. Yeah. Whatever we get, second place. I mean, we're not going to get first with a shot to the nuts, obviously, but it's a short.

Somebody's got a dog that does something better. It's a short placer. Definitely put you in in first second thanks bob we're gonna show sonic owes him so much they really do sonic and and rca all those fucking people he made so much money just to go and then there's this guy getting hit in the nuts with a wiffle back you know how much money he made for that i want to know it's obscene i don't know the exact number but it's yeah it's it's as obscene as the jonestown thing we're talking about jonestown by the way why give you an insight of what we talked about before the show all of the poison yep for in jonestown which if you don't know what i'm talking about come on how dare you talking jonestown biggest huge mass suicide all that all of the poison for all of those people right like 900

people all of that poison bought in bulk costs eight dollars and 85 cents unbelievable to kill that many people imagine that so say what you will yeah about that the temple and jim jones and yes they're crazy and you're killing people and terrible things going on but frugal yeah frugal as the day is long you can't or you know what you can't fault him for that poison is so cheap whatever amount of money he had he probably was like when we get down to 10 bucks we've already spent that so it's fine and then that's everything will be'll just get the poison at that point. Just hang on to 10 bucks. We'll be okay.

Yeah, yeah. So, but anyway, back in the 90s, very little video. So, things happened that you just would never see. Right. That's it. You'd just hear about them. Now it's like, well, if there's no fucking video, then how did it never happen? Well, back then, it was like, of course there's no video, stupid.

No one had a camera, yeah and sorry and we couldn't take a picture of it because all of our flash bulbs were dead that's the other thing we were out of flash bulbs it was one of those ones you stuck on with the 12 stacks towers yeah it was it was out my little brother at a birthday party fucking blew them all blew them all right there man it was rough so weird it's rough stuff technology was bizarre yeah it was plus there was things back then that you wouldn't want like on film you wouldn't want filmed whereas now people just film their illegal activities like idiots yeah what is wrong with people having a camera in the event of a crime would get you fucking killed yeah today it's everybody's

got even the criminals filming that's why they're that's i mean that's why they're committing the crime to film it because it's gonna get so many views what the fuck are you doing you're doing it wrong absolutely don't you know what crime is you dumb motherfuckers the crime's not nearly uh as important as the story not the i don't want to see the story. You are doing it wrong. I want to hear about it. Sit them down and show them mafia movies, because the whole point, they didn't want to talk on the phone.

These guys are like, I'm going to film it and then stream it and then fucking post it to social media when it's done streaming. What we're missing is- Links to my stream. What we're missing is great storytellers. That's where the problem is at storytellers are everything if you've got a like an italian guy i tell you a story about something that's crazy yeah and you're like i wish i could see that no you don't because then the story wouldn't be as near as important yeah that's the story is what fucking matters

and you want to hear it from a great storyteller you don't have those and that's why everybody has a fucking camera i guess because they can't tell a fucking story. They have to feel important. It's like, I filmed that. But when 800 people are all filming the same thing, you all have the same experience. It's what the fuck. You know what we used to do? We used to have one person who has a good camera, film it all, and then we'd all watch it. Remember that?

Yeah. That's what I don't understand. And I'm not saying as an old but like my day in my day i mean because that still happens that's why i'm saying that you'll see like at a like at a sporting event and people are up on their phone it's on fucking television you think your fucking iphone's better than what nbc can do it's stop it no it's a hd 4k amazing broadcast with a camera that flies down the field of fucking string and gets in the backfield that new camera they have is talking incredible it's and it's a guy that runs around with the goddamn thing but it films in like fucking

portrait mode where the guy that's important yeah is focused and everything else is blurred and it is magic so why would you film on your stupid iphone i don't want to send it to some fucking instagram story you can't see anything it doesn't matter no that's what it is it's it's for your attention it's not because you want to see that again because you film such a beautiful thing it's to then post it so maybe someone will like it right it's really pathetic because you need other people to love you it's pathetic yes unlike us who just do a show and put it out there for three hours and say please love us so you know i beg you this is this is like this is the drawn out version of that

is the audible uh version of that shit exactly and much longer so the video anyway in the 90s you could think someone could have done a lot of things that no one ever saw because it wasn't on video in the 90s that's just the way it was whereas now obviously anything anybody has ever done is on video illegal not illegal you know whatever the fuck it is so as he says that he's a uh like he does underground mma fights which were most of them back then because a lot of the things were illegal and it was hard to get sanctioning so unless they were like ufc or one of the two bigger three places that actually did it the fights were underground yeah it was almost like underground uh you know fight club tough man contest type of things is what they were doing.

How many stars have come out of that? I mean, apart from Kimbo Slice, that's about it, right? Well, yeah, because they're not actually because they're not good at it and they're not trained. It's just like it's just no holds barred street fight shit. Yeah. Kimbo Slice just happened to be really fucking good at it. That's the thing. If you're just a really good fighter but then there's the thing of somebody with training is gonna you

come run into like the brawl for all thing of the uh and that was the downfall of kimbo slice anyway once he got back and once he got into the ring it was like oh this isn't gonna help yeah then it was a work sir broke the whole mystique of it yeah it was it was the the brawl for all thing they had the wwf have you seen the the dark side of the ring on that the vice no great they uh quickly on this the uh wwf back in the day had a thing called the brawl for all the 90s which was the idea was we'll have a tournament where the guys will really fight oh my god and then they'll win money and they'll really fight stupidest idea in the history of the world. So dangerous. Hurt like eight guys got hurt.

Now you're talking badly. Some of them guys, their reputations were completely ruined now because and the guy who won the tournament was a guy who they didn't want to do shit with. It was like a second tier wrestler who wasn't considered tough at all, but he knocked the fuck out of everybody. It was Bart Gunn. Would there be any forethought put into something like that? Nope.

That you could kill Kevin Nash? No, not he wasn't right yeah but no oh god dr death steve williams who was going to be like their they had a whole thing he was going to have a big run with stone cold this whole deal he got hurt really bad bart gun knocked him out cold he tore his fucking knee apart took a year of rehab and he looked like an asshole then so it was over for him so and this guy who remember the smoking guns they were cowboy tag team real cheesy that makes sense that's the guy who won one of those guys so so worked out great vince yeah so in the end they were mad at him basically for winning for being because he wasn't supposed to win even though they said everybody win it's legitimate you know so at wrestlemania they had him fight butterbean oh which it's that's stupid

it's not it's not gonna be close and the thing they're interviewing butterbean and butterbean's like yeah i mean he's gonna be tough and all that he goes i'm a professional fighter too i've been in 50 fights i'm gonna knock him out in a minute he goes it's not it's just not the same right he goes and i don't care if he's a grappler he goes i'm gonna knock him out if he comes near me to touch me he's like there's no i'm a trained boxer there's no way to get you're not gonna win and look how big i am if i hit him once it's over that's what i mean because i'm gonna hit him he's gonna get near me and i'm gonna hit him really hard and he's gonna go down that's gonna be the end of this he's not gonna be able to he's not gonna hit me and i'm gonna hit hit him really hard and he's going to go down. That's going to be the end of this. He's not going to be able to. He's not going to hit me and I'm going to hit him.

That's the way it works. I know what I'm doing. And that's exactly what happened. Knocked him out in like a fucking minute out cold and ruined that guy. Now it's like nearly dead. Yeah. So, uh, but that, yeah, stupid shit. So what I mean is there was a weird thing of like this fight club type weird shit that

people were doing. This was even like pre the movie fight club coming out. I mean, the book was out for a long time, but either way. So he claims that he's been fighting. Raphael's been fighting underground MMA combat here, I guess,

and claims a 14 and O underground fight record. Okay. Okay. Um, he says he's not, hasn't been, he's cause by the nin 90s he's like 32 years old by the time he's saying all this and he says that he's done fighting now but you know you can

only underground fight for so long i mean come on there's no pension in that there's no pension in underground fights there's i don't even know if there's a trophy and as older the older you get the more dangerous it is i would imagine so you don't want to die in a parking lot. Not by some 23-year-old hand who's vicious. Yeah, nobody wants that. So, I mean, like I said, he doesn't have any proof of this, but nobody had any proof of anything in the 90s. You could say anything, and it was either true or not. Nobody knew.

But, like I said, it was not far-fetched for a guy to have a bunch of underground fights. So it wasn't like he was saying, oh, I beatzilla or anything like this is all believable um so and also there wasn't really ufc there's not a lot of money in that now then well now too that now unless you're like four guys or dana white or dana white we found out before they're on those reports the congressional reports of how much those guys get paid yeah as compared it's disturbing it's it's let's just say that's probably a good word he makes vince mcmahon look like a fucking prince it's embarrassing makes him look like a fucking prince that guy is disgusting he is a uh out of all of the out of all of the owner promoters of all of these leagues that we do and everyone from Pete Roselle and Roger Goodell to Vince McMahon, all of this, my opinion, Dana White is the worst of all of those as human beings. Yeah.

As human beings. Absolutely. Absolutely. I really believe that. I think Vince is a terrible person, but I bet he's nice to his grandkids. Probably. Dana White would be like, put some HGH in that kid and I bet he's nice to his grandkids. Probably. Dana White would be like, put some HGH in that kid and see.

He's useless. Look at him. He's just fucking useless right now. Let's see what kind of... No, he's being a pussy. I don't care if he's two. I don't care. Eat your elk, pussy. Change your diaper and get in there and fucking scrap, mister.

Eat your elk. I'm flying you to Toddler Island like eat your elk i'm flying you to toddler island eat your elk steak chew on the antler the damper and the pampers coming up eat your elk steak you're gonna need it we're flying down to the island yeah and it's gonna be the buggy and the huggy and we're gonna knock you he's good you're gonna knock your little brother out. I'm sorry. He's recently learned to walk, and I think you could take him. The new Tesla's coming out.

I got to get it. Lace him up. Let's go. Tape him up. Whatever. Fucking jerk off. Powder each other up, and let's go. They're babies.

That's great. Anyway, yeah, not a lot of money in ufc so it wasn't like a wasn't like people were you know to fight ufc was almost like for your own thing like and if you were like a champion i guess you'd make money but for the most part it was just kind of to show you were a tough guy or whatever it wasn't like a uh like now oh shit i can get in that and it's like a lucrative thing maybe i can get an endorsement or you can make whiskey and make more money yeah you can turn that into other things at that point so who knows though but back then it wasn't it was just like i feel like getting beat up in a strange cage right like one of the fights we'll talk about

the event took place in the pouring rain oh how can you eat that's not even fair i'm looking at the footage and it's on like the mat is like it looks like it's like you know rubber almost this mat and it's got puddles on it it's just it's pouring rain and the guys are like they're like not they can't stop because they're gonna slip and fall it's insane and i'm like why are you doing this this isn't that's a way to get a man killed it's just by losing his footing and now he's vulnerable slip and crack his skull open on the one of the it's crazy so um anyway he also talks about uh his background of how he got his father is a brazilian who got him into brazilian jiu-jitsu as a child um he says that he he entered the Navy when he was younger before the fighting. He was a Navy SEAL and then came out and was fighting.

He says he's a black belt in Brazilian jujitsu, and he's also an instructor, and he's doing all this type of shit. So in addition to that, he's talking about this is over the course of covering MMA events. He does some like mediocre announcing too he announces a couple of these kind of shit underground shows back then and everybody says he was a terrible announcer too sure i have to right away that's that i'm more mad at him for that than anything that's just bad well i sign up for that when you can't do it yeah exactly so so as the late 90s go uh he becomes he's a like a voice that everybody knows sure in mma like after a while like joe tory joe tory joe rogan and him

he knows joe rogan and all these guys i believe he uh trains with eddie bravo has like not trains with him but eddie bravo is trained by a guy that he hangs out with okay so he knows him through there they're all buddies and friends and talk to each other so it's all a you know that whole crew yeah he's involved in this this rafael tory here so um he he talks also about uh uh he tells a particular story here that joe rogan actually goes on to talk about later on about a what he calls a quote kumite in the woods okay okay a woods a day yeah so if you've never seen blood sport yeah kumite is like i guess this underground fight tournament thing you know but to the woods in the woods wow because you know where else are you going to have it where no one's

going to interrupt you i mean you need lights but okay so well i mean right there's generators yeah lights you can do it i mean if you can do it in the rain you can just light a couple bonfires and have them do it by dim light safer than in a wet ring probably still be warm in your death that's the thing so um yeah he he apparently he. Okay. Well, this is the story here. He says that he was invited to a secret underground martial arts tournament in the woods. Okay. Which right away sounds like a straight to direct to VHS movie.

Now coming out now. They're like DVD is streaming now. We can't do all that. I got some extra tapes though there were no italians in this one because anytime you tell an italian there's gonna be a bunch of shit we're all gonna meet in the woods that no they're not showing up we've seen casino we know what happens out there we're going in the woods who we who we kill right which one which one is it if you say nobody it's me yeah if i don't know that means it's me exactly

i'm not going i'm not in on it i'm not showing up i picture paulie and christopher chasing the russian guy and the sopranos through the woods here this is what it is where the fuck is he instead i guess these two it's a tournament in california it's in a wooded area okay okay up north california like where the redwoods are i mean who knows joshua tree that's the only trees in the south no it's there's woods that you can't like see into like thick thick woods where you go into and he's gone mid to northern california disappeared into the woods somewhere north of la exactly so uh no one knew uh you know which is funny because why would you fight in the woods if

who are you fighting in front of yeah what are you getting out of this why would you fight in the woods? Who are you fighting in front of? What are you getting out of this? Why are you hiding? That's weird. Well, unless everybody, like all the competitors, are all putting up 10 grand and everyone gets to, like, otherwise, what is there, 40 people there, 20 people? What kind of spectators are you inviting to this?

What does this matter? Is this for your own personal? Are the ticket prices? Is that how we're getting the purses? Or are we just, like, each pooling our money yeah like a fucking football pool in the office it's not on ticket sales there's 40 people here well at that point just do it in someone's basement may as well right like in fight club like what's the fucking point yeah why the woods why all the subterfuge mister save the gas and the generators uh yeah why do it so anyway he he says that he brings uh

well i know he does he not he says a he invites a reporter okay that's what he does here the two to come with the goings on come with me to the secret right woods itay okay we're gonna do this right um so uh he calls him and he says you know yeah you drive reporter drive me there i don't know if his car's broken down or what or if he's just got to get you know in his element to fight in the woods sit in the back and do my kata you know how it works he says you know he wants a ride there so he does um and the reporter was like wow this is an amazing story like yeah you've heard like her in movies there's these secret you know in a jean-claude van damme movie maybe but this isn't like something that you i can't believe this is happening yeah actually come across so he's like okay picks him up

now ralph has two bags where rafael has two bags with him uh one is full of camping equipment yeah okay and one is a secret bag. Oh. He doesn't know what's in it. It's not for him? He's got two. It's a duffel bag. It's not the other guy's camping equipment?

No, no, no. He says, this is my camping equipment. What do you got in the other one? It's a secret. He'll tell you. Yeah, he'll tell you. Okay. So backing off that.

All right. So the reporter's like, whoa, this is really, this is some real, you know, mysterious shit here. I like this right so rafael says though i need to be dropped off outside the woods and i have to you can't come with me i gotta do this alone and trek through the woods why are you bringing me you wait near toyota camry and i'll tell you what happens yeah okay you wait at the edge of the woods okay now he says um you know okay this is this is interesting um you know the reporter's thinking what the fuck is happening in there this must be the most amazing thing in the world there's like

holy shit this is like some crazy woods like ninja thing they're gonna kill each other out there that's why it has to be in the woods they could just they have holes pre-dug no witnesses you just push a body and throw them in and everybody you there. That's why it has to be in the woods. They have holes pre-dug. No witnesses. You just push a body and throw them in, and you know no one's telling. It's one of those. I don't know. Which is fucked up, because they actually used to have, like, that was a real thing back in the day. Just warriors to the death? They used to have, not to the death, but they used to have these weird underground karate tournaments.

Back in the 50s and 60s especially in like san francisco area because that's kind of that was like the the ground zero of martial arts in the united states was san francisco for some reason fishing industry a lot of asians i assume fishing industry yes fishermen love fishermen i mean they're all italians first of all the fishermen they're not fucking japanese all the italians all the fishermen in san francisco guineas and always worse so okay that's not even that guineas generally don't aren't big on karate it's correct hey vinny i challenge you see that roundhouse vinny to a kumite in the woods i know in the woods we're gonna go i seen your kicks i think they're bullshit i'm gonna

be honest with you i think i i won roundhouse i could take it out none of this kung fu taekwondo bullshit straight karate i'm gonna take you right down i think you're a pussy anthony hey anthony i heard what you were saying i gotta be honest with you i fucked. I fucked your sister. So what do you think about that? You know, I know you're a pussy. I've seen you paint a fence. Let's do it. I've seen you wax a car. I've seen you do it.

I ain't scared of you. I ain't scared of you. Let's go. We're going into the woods where we settle. But Italian guys would just shoot each other like civilized human beings. Have a tournament and fight about it. What the hell is this all about? I got shit to do.

I got kids at home. What are you talking about? I got to get out of here. So I got to fill up the propane tank. I told the missus I was grilling tonight. So he goes through. The reporter's like, whoa, this is amazing. So Ralph says to him, not wait here.

He says, come back in three days and get me. Three days? Three days. It's a and get me three days three days i don't even get to witness the no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no recount to me the fact that i allowed you to take me here and see my see how i would prepare for a three-day you've already told me too much death tournament i think that's enough i i don't want to it's enough like it's too much you don't want to really blow people's minds like that's the problem because i don't think you can handle it it's already enough for one soul to bear i don't want to have it you that's the thing maybe next

time first you you drop me off you wait three days come back next time maybe you sit outside the woods and wait let me the next time you come halfway down the trail with me sure yeah a couple years from now maybe you can make your way to the Kumite. But for now, I don't trust you. So he takes off. He takes off. So the reporters is obviously like, you know, sure. I'm game.

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reporter rafael is standing there thumb rafael waiting on him he's waiting on him yeah uh yeah he's waiting on him and uh not like i said nothing not even a a a just a bag uh no marks on him yeah no black eyes no like cut over his eyes nothing that would indicate three days of combat okay well at three days of combat when you're losing i guess i guess if you were if you were dominating the dojo for three days i would have seen it would be a different story yeah if you were just taking over the fucking yeah the whole thing here rafael's gonna dominate but he's not so. So he gets back there. He's got one bag full of camping equipment,

and one bag he has a world champion karate trophy. Oh, he got the trophy. He got the trophy. So he's got a bag full of trophy, and he's got his camping equipment bag. So it says world champion karate. He's a champion. So that's what he did. He won it. The reporter was like, oh, my God, what happened?

What happened to everybody? And he said, no, I beat everybody, and that's how it worked. I'm the winner. We did our tournament, and I'm the winner, and this is what we do. So that's it. And the reporter was like, wow, that was a shit story for me to get. It's going to be a bad column. Great.

I dropped a guy off and then he came out with a trophy the end yeah my editor's gonna be pissed at deadline when i come up with this shit any details at all nope okay woods kumite everybody that's it so never call me for a ride ever again that's yeah this is done here so basically uh through this and then this reporter writes about this and then through his own exploits, he gains his reputation as a known guy and a guy who he's like this badass guy who's like retired now and all this type of shit. So on March 20th, 1998, he ends up going to a competition that is not in the woods. It's in Abu Dhabi. So there is no woods to go in.

That is not in the woods. Okay. It's in Abu Dhabi, so there is no woods to go in. It's the Abu Dhabi Combat Club, the ADCC World Championships. It's a grappling tournament, though. This isn't like karate. This isn't MMA. This isn't like Brazilian jiu-jitsu.

Built around a whole fucking tournament of it? Yeah, this is wrestling, but like high school wrestling, but with jujitsu shit, but you can't strike, I don't think. I think there's no striking in this. Well, what the fuck do you do? You roll around on the ground with another guy. That's what you do. You hold him hardest? You put your underwear on, and you dry hump another man.

I can't believe they take a cell for that. I don't think they do. I don't think that's why there's no pay-per-views for the all-grappling tournament. That is horrible. Nobody wants to watch that shit. So boring is fine. I know if you're into grappling and you're good at it and you know, you'll go, oh, look at that defense he just did. That's great.

But as far as entertainment value goes, it's not that. No, it's not that. It would be like if you're a mechanic, you're watching somebody rebuild an engine. You'd be like, he did a nice move there. But, I mean, it's not entertaining to It would be like if you're a mechanic, you're watching somebody rebuild an engine. You'd be like, he did a nice move there. But, I mean, it's not entertaining to watch. Right. Skill is not always entertaining. I might watch an engine rebuild, but change an oil or change the spark plugs.

Any of that shit. It's boring. I'm not watching. So, this is a grappling tournament. They invite him to it. And he says right away, this isn't his thing, grappling. And, you know, it's not really his forte and all that sort of thing but he's gonna go anyway he hasn't fought in a long time he's been retired but you know he says what the fuck this sounds like a good time yeah i'll show up

and just have some fun with it so he fights a guy named bo hershberger uh now bo hershberger is he's kind of just like a 50 mr 50 50 i like to call him here he uh his amateur fights he was like one win and one loss and then his pro fights he's got what is this three wins two losses two draws okay so he's just kind of a mediocre guy here um he fights uh now his pro fights four of them are grappling bouts and then he has three MMA fights, one loss and two draws. Raphael or the other guy? The other guy. Oh, boy.

Bo Hirschberger. So one loss, two draws is his MMA record, but this is grappling. He's three and one in grappling total, so he's apparently a decent grappler. Raphael here, this particular fight, he fights him, and they're both big guys. I think big heavyweights and shit like that. This goes under a minute. 58 seconds. Raphael loses the fight to Bo Hershberger with a choke and some grappling thing.

And so he loses this fight, which doesn't hurt him at all. This isn't his thing anyway. So he was like, it was fun. Just gave it a shot. He's like, I'm not really a grappler. So it doesn't hurt his rep or anything like that. It's not like he went out and got smoked and knocked out by some guy and whatever. So it's just some weird grappling thing.

No big deal. It's just bizarre. It's a bizarre thing to do. I'm going to Abu Dhabi to grapple with someone is a strange thing to say. It's a long flight to do something you don't do. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's not like that's his thing. It's not.

So I don't know what the hell Raphael is thinking here. that's his thing right it's not so i don't know what the hell rafael is thinking here so uh he actually finally uh gets a sanctioned mma fight okay but it's not until 2001 so that was 1998 he fights in that and he continues to just be a journalist and you know have his legend of his black belt and his you know all that sort of shit and his underground woods kumites and all this type of nonsense you know just craziness and of shit, and his underground woods kumites and all this type of nonsense. You know, just craziness and underground shit that he talks about. But he has an MMA fight February 24, 2001. It's his big debut, like, in front of everybody, MMA style.

So this is King of the Cage. Oh, one of those ones, yeah. Yeah, we've talked about those a lot before. I believe that's where, like, they had, like, Dotsik fighting in there and shit. So they're, who knows what the fuck. uh king of the cage that were those ones yeah we've talked about those a lot before i believe that's where like they'd had like dot sick fighting in there and shit so they're who knows what the fuck well this is the toward this is where it was pouring rain and they were still fighting and it was slipping all over the place so yeah that tells you a lot right there i mean it was a monsoon it was wild but if you can't fight in that how dare you call yourself the king

the yeah yeah come on you're not the king of this cage. Get out of here, princess. King of the cage, wet and wild is what they ended up calling it because it was more like slippery and boring because guys don't want to lose their footing. So that's not fun. No. No.

It's like football is fun to watch in the snow except for when it's like a little bit of snow and it's just slippery. Then guys just tiptoe and the game's at bit of snow and it's just slippery then guys just tap toe tiptoe and the game's at half speed and that's not fun no once it gets a shitload of snow then guys are running it's a blast nobody cares anymore it's fun we're all in trouble and we know that's a good time yeah you don't mind falling then because you're falling on snow so this fight or this event here um there's very little video of this event we can't nobody could find a video of the raphael fight for some reason there's videos of other fights from here clips that i saw like i

said i could see it raining and guys trying not to fall down here so uh this includes um you know uh a bunch of other fights and especially raphael is fighting uh ioka uhoka Tianu is his name. Big Joe, they call him. I would, too. Yeah. Easier. Yeah. Big Joe.

This is billed as a grudge match. Okay. It's big. It's personal. Okay. This is personal, damn it. Raphael's retired. We've got enough of Big Joe already.

He's got a bunch of duffel bags full of trophies. He doesn't need this shit exactly, But Big Joe, on the other hand, has crossed him in a way that he needs can only be settled inside of a soaking wet cage. Really. So Raphael is he's retired and all that. He's saying he's going to take his Brazilian jujitsu black belt to the cage. And he says he has issues with Big joe which is why he's coming out of retirement okay issues with big joe big joe apparently is a former student of his and there's been some shit talking mister so it's uh it's on now i looked up big joe's record here and uh

he's not very good um he's got a one in three career record and um good pick to have a grudge match never been out of the first round yeah you want to see a picture of him i do oh he's big as shit he's does he look like a professional athlete no he doesn't he no he looks like everybody knows a guy that looks like that well you can just go to like you know arby's and yeah he's sitting there right five for five something have a water leak on the street that guy shows up to fix it he does he doesn't look like a professional athlete he even looks like he's surprised to be there yeah he looks like what the fuck where's the water leak i was asked to go to the grocery store and i don't know what's

going on but he looks like he has kids somewhereended kids somewhere. Oh, absolutely. Because he's like, my kids are... Right. They're in the car. They're in the car. Like, I didn't know this was going to take this long. Right. That's the look on his face. And when you look at his stomach, look at his stomach.

He's a big fat fuck. Yeah, he's big. He's as big as fuck. He's a... And fat. Right. It's not... It's not muscle at all.

That's not threatening. That's just big. He's a big fat guy who looks confused to be there and looks like they pay him in in arby's probably we're gonna pay you in beef and jitters sir what do you say to seven beef and jitters that's how about it i say i'll fight that guy for it i say that's cheaper than jim jones killed people more yeah it is in the end it's to come out cheaper even with tax so he's fighting big joe he's ready to take on this guy and settle a grudge okay grace this is grace here he's got this he's got an amazing reputation everybody thinks he's a badass and he's you know all this stuff and he's going to teach this guy a lesson in front of everybody and he's a that's great. Woods Kumite champion. Woods. World Woods karate champion.

Yes. Champion of the woods. I'm the champion in the woods, everybody. Look at me. World Woods Federation. So the fight actually starts. And that's why it's grace before the fight starts. During the fight, basically um they just don't

throw punches at each other they just walk around for a little bit doesn't look like any of either of them apparently particularly have any interest in being there okay or fighting they look like they're getting to know each other but like not on a fighting level like i'm feeling this guy out more like hey i might take this guy out for dinner later let me get to know him yeah I'm gonna dance with him a bit here so apparently um within the first few seconds Raphael throws a few punches and uh one he not hits him once and Raphael you know steps back and he's kind of waiting for uh waiting for Big Joe to come at him and apparently like he backs off a big joe after he hits him a couple times and then big joe puts him like kind of tackles him and gets on top of him in a way that was very awkward everybody said it was a very weird it was a very weird thing like rafael like

hit him and then took a step back and then like stood there and then the guy came and tackled him it was like the hell just happened there? Okay. Very strange, okay? So they roll around on the ground while that's going on. Big Joe's on top. Raphael moves him off, and there's a little of this shit. A little commotion. At some point, apparently, Big Joe kind of, from what everybody said, kind of sticks his leg out, not in a kick way, but just like a, here's my leg. And so Raphael grabs his leg and puts him in a knee bar where they say the knee wasn't even extended.

His leg was bent. So it was like, what the hell's going on? And Big Joe gave up. Big Joe had enough. And that was it. it was like what the hell's going on and and big joe gave up big jelly that enough and that was it it was real uncomfortable um yeah apparently like he was striking him brafio was striking him a few times and it wasn't it looked like shit and then there was the knee bar and everyone was like that was the worst fucking submission move i've ever seen what the hell just happened there what the fuck is going on everyone was like that was that was ugly yeah um so post fight after the fight uh he

said that uh he's very smug rafael in the interview saying i'm you know see i told you i was a badass told you that didn't take very long because the fight was i want to say it was six or no it was uh a minute and 56 seconds to get his leg to get his leg and half knee bar him so he's like yeah he's like see i told you who i am i'm a bad motherfucker that's why i'm 14 and oh right in my in my whole shit call it 15 that's it now it's we'll call it 15 he said now since some you know i'm in my late 30s here and i settled my beef now i'm definitely retired okay with that i've proven myself and uh yeah after the event of course he's bragging online a lot i killed you know whoop this guy's ass i told you uh blah blah

blah blah blah whatever so uh um he does that sort of shit now Now, this is a story, I guess, apparently Eddie Bravo had trained with him at this point. And this is why Joe Rogan and him know this story and all this type of shit. So it's at this point where after everybody looks at the fight, they're like, that wasn't like that's on the up and up. That wasn't on the up and up, basically not that look like shit. Neither of those guys are good fighters he hit him and then waited for him to tackle him and then hit him weakly and then the guy gave him his leg and then he submitted when he wasn't even in the hold all the way so like we've all been duped that's a bad wrestling match is what we just watched like that was not a fucking real fight okay what the fuck just happened here and then he retired so yeah he's like what the fuck just happened here, basically. And then he retired.

So, yeah, he's like, what the fuck? So, apparently, I guess Eddie Bravo was calling him going, dude, what are you? Was that fucking? Did you stage a fucking fight? Like, pissed at him, hung up on him. Like, there's all this beef with people and shit. That's what it says in this one article I found. So, what the fuck is the story with this guy?

You got to wonder what the fuck the story is. So what the fuck is the story with this guy? You got to wonder what the fuck the story is. Well, the funny thing is we discover in the end, turns out that he's not a Brazilian jujitsu black belt. No. Yeah, there's no Kumite Woods tournaments. No?

No, I'm sure he made that trophy and then put it in a thing. There's no, and this isn't like I made this up, like, you know, oh, put it on our below. This isn't cheese murders and this isn't and this isn't cheese murders and tennis clocks and lily lily lily what was it lily vine tennis i think so yeah that was tulip tulip tulip strand yeah it's tulip vine that's not you didn't make this part of this i didn't make any of this up he made all this oh that's why it's shit he made up his entire thing really his entire reputation oh he also wasn't a navy seal either so he lied about that oh valor thief matter of fact his dad never taught him brazilian jiu-jitsu because his dad's not even fucking brazilian and as a matter of fact

because his dad's not brazilian his fucking name isn't rafael to even. What is it? None of this is true. Where's his dad? Nothing is, none of the, whatever he said isn't true, other than hi. Outside of that, once he says hello, the rest of it,

not true. His real name is Ralph Bartel. Yeah. So, not Raphael, not Torrey, not anything. Ralph Bartel.

So, from now on, we're going to call him Ralphiel for the rest of the episode. Ralphiel. Ralphiel. Yeah. Because that's who he's claiming to be here. So from now on, we're going to call him Ralphie L. For the rest of the episode. Ralphie L. Because that's who he's claiming to be here. So he's full of shit. And this brings it out. Once he does a fight and everybody sees that that was a joke.

He's full of shit. Everybody knows he's lying. Why would you do that? They start calling him on his shit and start asking for more details that he doesn't have. And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then it turns out he's just a fucking liar. He exposed himself. He's just a.

Well, yeah, he just made up a huge backstory. And he didn't realize that the Internet would turn into what it is to where people could actually check on shit. Oh, no. Because when he was coming up, the Internet was just a place where you could make shit up and spread it to more people. That's all. And then it turned into, oh, then after a while people could actually like look up your shit on there. So that's what ended up happening. He didn't realize he just used it as,

Oh, this is like a big telling everyone in the playground. This is dangerous. My bullshit. So he's really Ralph Bartel and he, uh, just doing his thing. He,

uh, that's his only fight because he's not a real fighter. Right. So he only fights one fight where he has to fix it. Because the other fight, he lost in under a minute in the grappling fight. Where the guy didn't even hit him. No, he just fucking, I don't know, choked him out, I guess. Just hit him or what?

So, um, Ralphie L here, um, kind of has to put his life back together. But the thing is, everyone knows he's a phony but he still has friends in the business and he still has like buddies he hangs out with who are fighters and it doesn't make his very weird it doesn't make his his opinions of fighting uh no does it you know what i mean i guess not but you wouldn't want it from him because i guess if you're a liar even as yeah today right down to your name and your background today if this happens it's over for you yeah you're homeless yeah yeah your your audience audience is abandoning you you're done yeah you duped them and they feel like dicks but he just goes on with

his life like nothing happened um you know lives in lives and loves uh so that was two february 2001 uh by august of 2001 he's kind of got MMA out of his system. He's not going to fight anymore. He's retired, as we know. But like I said, he still hangs out with these people. And he's hanging out. He goes to a nightclub in August of 2001 and he meets a lady. In California? Oh yeah, San Diego. Oh boy. He meets a

lady. Hell yeah, he does. Over there in cahoots. Oh, you know it. Imagine the lies he told her. I can't imagine. If he told guys lies, imagine what he tells women. Wow. And that's just for adoration. That's not for, like, to come. Like, imagine what he says.

That's just to get her to accept this drink. Imagine what he says to actually, wow, to fucking jizz near somebody. Near in or on somebody. It's got to be remarkable the lies he fucking tells so he meets a woman named angelina okay so angelina richards he meets out at the club yeah and um you know that sounds nice right that's good yeah i mean he's a liar and all that but you want a nice love story this is good right it's gonna help are you happy for him a little a little happy for him right problem is um angelina richards is married to brian richards oh no that's the issue um angelina's already

married so you know he's kind of barking up the wrong tree here but it's not good no it's bad it's bad it's on all fronts uh angelina and brian have been married since 1998 okay so you know they have they have a relationship here. And as we go through it, they've had a little bit of a rocky marriage, but nothing terrible. I mean, I guess everybody, whenever you say a little bit of a rocky marriage, that's everybody. That's a marriage. Yeah. People fight.

It's called two lives cohabitating. It's brutal. It's a crazy idea. So, 2001, Brian Richards gets a life insurance policy from nationwide in the amount of a million dollars it's on your side it's on your side well not until september of that year you're not on your side so it kicks in in september of 2001 okay basically oh yeah it's a bad time for no maybe a good time depending they might be very broke at that yeah that's the other thing we got a lot of payouts to make so the policy names angela as the primary beneficiary and uh people

also that he knows as the alternate beneficiaries so um that's what's going on with angelina now angelina at the same time is fucking ralphie l yeah so uh they become pretty this happens pretty fast where they are like an item okay which is it's not like a nightclub one night hookup they're they like continue this yeah from august into september they continue this whole relationship um they um you know they become romantic now angelina will say that they weren't romantic during this time they're just friends which all right you know married people don't hang out with friends they meet at nightclubs right they just don't you know of the opposite sex you don't meet people at nightclubs no no no if you're married you're like i'm not going to talk to this person because they're

going to try to fuck clearly trying to fuck when a nightclub so exactly so um apparently during this time though the fall of 2001 angelina's having some problems in her marriage happens happens uh she told her friends that brian had brought up getting a divorce okay and that angelina and uh during the same time angelina and ralphie l were seen together all the time and suggesting in a manner like they're basically acting like they're together people if you see them you're like oh that's a couple they're holding hands and kissing and doing all that shit and clearly they're having an affair marriage isn't going well you know you know this is how this is going so september 2001 comes around all right now september 2001 angelina loans ralphie l ten thousand dollars

so he is he found himself a lady yeah that will fuck him and then give him thousands of dollars i don't know what kind of game this guy's running but uh it's a fascinating way that her and her husband have set up their finances that's the other thing too can disappear 10 grand and have no questions no questions not a question and just be like yeah i gave it to some fucking phony mma fighter who bones me right in a secret kumite it's a fuck kumite in the woods it's a fuck kumite so uh october uh 2001 she co-signs a lease for Tori as well. Yeah. Wow. They met in August. Another. How do you

Wow you're financially tying yourself to a person you met two months ago at a nightclub. A lot. What the fuck is going on here? Yeah. A San Diego apartment? It's a commercial space. Okay. More money. A San Diego commercial space. To start a martial arts studio. She's out of her mind so it's

got to have some square footage in it so this is probably pricey how good does he fuck versus what story has she has he told her and he must be he must slinging some dick truly that along with uh the story that he must have told her to make her have confidence in him as him as a business i'm 14 and oh i win world champion karate kumites in the woods i think that's what he's telling her pretty much he's got to yeah i really there has to be more because that's not enough for you won 14 fights and you think you're gonna be a businessman he's gonna be an instructor martial arts studio okay uh the property manager who rented them this uh he says that that it was just angelina and ralphie l brian richards was nowhere to be seen

throughout this uh they never mentioned and um yeah never mentioned that she was married or anything like that it was just hi i'm angelina and i'm co-signing for this guy okay that was it so enter a close friend of ralphie l gbent. Yeah, sounds like a tough guy, right? Gerald. He actually is a tough guy. Goes by Jerry. Jerry. Yeah.

You could see Gerald Strebent and you go, that sounds like a pussy. And then you read who he is and you go, oh, God, that's not a pussy at all. He's actually a professional fighter, martial arts instructor, and former Marine sniper. Oh, my. So, yeah, he's a killer. He's a dangerous man. He's a very dangerous man. he's a dangerous man he's a very dangerous very dangerous man actual murderer yeah he's actually probably shot at least at people probably and if

he's good he'd hit them so you generally don't hire a sniper based on uh his word that he'll do it i mean i'll take a shot at it probably proved it and then they're like, yeah, we'll keep you. Take a shot at it. I mean, whatever. So he's a close friend of Ralphie L here, as we'll call him. Now, he's an instructor as well, and he's trying to get into MMA. He's not into it yet, or he just gets into it in 2001. This is how Ralphie L kind of gets to know him, and he's also a trainer and instructor and shit like that. So his record i looked at his fighting record he's got a nine and seven career mma record so he's had some fights um he won his first and lost one and won three in a row lost one he fought i believe yeah this is he

fought bennett charles bennett no shit fuck yeah crazy horse he fought crazy horse and lost to him a man who hates his own nickname that's the guy oh my god we talked about this did we we talked about gerald fucking talked about him because he lost to crazy horse on a submission from punches do you remember that yeah we were like what do you just go stop hitting me enough already right the ref didn't stop it he said no he's hit me too much stop make him stop submission from punches is usually a fucking knockout that's a knockout this guy took it standing up and was like i can't do it the guy give up please stop hitting me can you make him stop hitting me he's punching me he can do that he keeps hitting me he won't stop i want to hit

him back and he won't stop hitting me i can't hit him till he stops hitting me he won't stop i want to hit him back and he won't stop hitting me i can't hit him till he stops hitting me well my my plan was to submit him ah and all he's doing is punching he just keeps hitting me so that's that's the story of what's happening here that's i'm fuck that's amazing that the it all comes full circle here really does but his whole career is kind of that loses to b to Bennett, then he wins two more fights. Loses another one, wins two more. Loses three, wins one. He's that kind of guy.

Beerbohm? We fought a guy named Beerbohm. Beerbohm. Beerbohm. B-O-H-M. Oh. Beerbohm. It's an interesting name, I guess, here.

But yeah, it's wild. He fought Crazy Horse. Wow. It's awesome. That changes everything. It really does. does for some reason i don't know why it really does it makes him a complete cartoon character yes he does and one of his submissions was it says here uh submission twister i've never seen that move before i don't know that i've never seen did he spin him around that's what i mean mean. Like a merry-go-round, grab his arms? He's like, right foot blue.

And the guy's like, fuck, I can't. Never mind. Submit. I submit. I won't stretch that far. Yeah. I guess I submit now. Submitted him with a wicked twister move.

Left hand green. Got you, motherfucker. Give up. Now you got to give up. Or did he grab an arm and a leg like when you were a kid and helicopter him? Maybe helicopter him. Throw him out of the ring? Into the cage, probably, I would assume.

And that did it. That's a twister. I'm not sure. And the guy gave up halfway through. Let me go. I'm getting sick. I like the idea that the round was sponsored by Twister. Yeah.

And the whole mat was just twisted. So that's the way I pictured it. Yeah. I like that much better. Yeah. And the rest is spinning. He's spinning. The announcer I like that much better. Yeah. And the rest is spinning. He's spinning. The announcer's just right foot green, left hand yellow.

Cover him in baby oil and let him go. Yeah. Yeah. The announcers are like really good. Can he do it? I don't know, man. That yellow is pretty far. He's got a 73 inch reach.

That's a plus. So, I mean, he's going to be able inch reach that's a plus so i mean he's gonna be able to reach the yellow a little bit better but you picture with the other greasy adult man's body in his way i don't know if that thing can get through the legs extra leverage it's gonna be difficult so um yeah he's won a lot and lost a lot mostly by submission it looks like god submission submission submission he wins and loses by submission every single fight pretty much except for uh he lost one here by ko with the punches someone knocked the shit out of him at ufc 44 oh so he fought yeah he he made his way all the way to ufc it looks like one i only see one ufc event but ufc 44 he fought josh thompson i don't know who that

is and they're like ufc 194 right now yeah they fucking jam them through this was just like six months ago so it's 2016 no this was september 2003 okay so um you know yeah he was back there then he goes to cage warriors and cage rage and extreme challenge and all sorts of like rage extreme and cage overfought hyperbolic words mixed with cage and fight and you know challenge and extreme so um yeah this is their buddies basically they hang out together and i feel like ralphie l probably feels good having gerald around sure like he's everything i say i am yeah isn't it great and this is 2001 this is prior to him going to the ufc so this is like an up-and-comer too oh yeah he does that guy with you his first fight is april 21st 2001 so as of um you know let's say

post-september after they were you know he's hooked up with angelina he's had like five fights so far he's like four and one and he's he's kicking some ass so uh now december 21st 2001 let's talk about that all right so angelina and ralphie l have been together for four months maybe pretty new stuff here so it's about 11 p.m on december 21st holidays very nice angelina calls brian's brother's, her sister-in-law. Yeah. Okay, Brian's brother's name, by the way, we'll get it out of the way, is Keith Richards. Is it really? His name is Keith Richards.

Unbelievable. Yes, I mean, what are you going to do? Yeah. You kind of have to at that point. Yeah, yeah. If your last name's Richards, one of your kids is going to be Keith. Probably, and I think he might have been born before Keith Richards was famous. Really? This is 2001, the guy's in his 40s, so yeah. Might be. keith probably and i think he might have been born like before keith richards was famous really so

this is 2001 the guy's in his 40s so yeah if he might be he's born in the late 50s early 60s no one who knew who the fuck keith richards was even if you knew the stones in the early 60s you didn't know them by their names no he just knew that the rolling stones so anyway yeah he's keith richards and he's like fuck and that's the only two that matter. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Mick and him. That's it. Yeah. Everybody knows everybody else. Everybody. Anybody could say I'm in the Rolling Stones.

I'm just not Mick or Keith. Really? Any old scraggly man could say that. I'll believe it. I would, too. Sight unseen, sir. As long as you're scraggly. I will not do any research.

I believe it. As long as you're skinny and scraggly. How much coke and blow and heroin and booze. I would like a british accent probably as well yeah that's gonna help better be a little bit of that otherwise i'm probably not gonna believe you at that point so jesus christ coke and blow i said coke and blow both of them and meth and speed yeah let me get that in there get me some weed and some fucking bud please so the angelina calls keith keith uh keith richards wife uh lisa richards here and says i don't know where brian is i don't know where my husband is

you know where he is i don't know where he is it's 11 o'clock at night i haven't seen him her old man yeah it's 11 o'clock i you know have you seen your do you know where your husband is at and she doesn't okay i don't they do those commercials anymore. Kids are still out. They haven't done those since we were like five. Yeah. They're so great. We were like five. And that was the, yeah, it's 10 PM.

Do you know where your children are? Well, that was started with the Atlanta child murders, right? I think it did. Yeah. And then it like went away though. That was like in the eighties. And then we pretend the kids aren't being murdered every day. Yeah.

We're just like, they're fine. We put them on a milk carton now, so it should be good good and it culminated with one of the best wu-tang lyrics of all time yeah it's 10 o'clock ho where the fuck's your seed at that's my favorite it's a rizzle it's 10 o'clock ho where the fuck's your seed at what does that mean it's 10 o'. Do you know where your children are? Seed. It's 10 o'clock, ho. Where the fuck did you seed at?

Think about it. I thought you said seeds. I'm like, what does that mean? Is that on my lap? Is that on my face? You know where your shit is? Got it. One of the greatest.

10 o'clock, ho. It's 10 o'clock, ho. Where the fuck did you seed at? Unbelievable. It's a great RZA lyric. It's obviously not nice, but it's fucking funny so anyway um angelina also calls keith richards and tells him that uh brian had planned to go to a warehouse to pick up christmas gifts stored there and that's what she says the next morning right after she calls the police as

well to report brian missing apparently he was supposed to go pick up christmas presents and come back and he just never came back and it's like you know can't always get what you want you can't always get what you want that's what keith told her on the phone she said listen listen here angelina he sure he isn't out getting some brown sugar i don't know he could be he really could be we're not sure you know what over here i provide no shelter for him i'll tell you what if he doesn't come home just take all his shit and paint it all black just paint it black fuck it get rid of it say get off my property monkey man i'm not dealing with you i'll be answers everything in rolling stones quotes

my brother's missing well start me up that sounds terrible jesus christ oh no right start me up i have to go now listen listen here ruby tuesday calm down okay it's so cheap it made 75 albums you could just go forever and ever it's got to be his favorite thing ever because it's been going for so long it's just infinite jesus christ it's gotta be so thankful he's named after that guy we're're going to spend the next hour of the show just saying the responses that Keith may have had to Angelina when she called to tell her his brother was missing. Thank God he's not named after Millie or Vanillie.

Oh, God. Listen. All he'd have is blame it on the rain. I was going to say, listen, you're just going to have to blame it on the rain. I don't know what to tell you. You say that after everything, Millie. I don't know. It's all I got.

What was the other song they had? Oh, yeah. They did have one more. They had a couple of them. Something about music, wasn't it? Like, ah. Something about music. No, I feel like there was like music in the background.

No, I feel like it was like something like get the party started or music started or something. They had like a slow jam. Is that what it was? They had a slow jam and they had like a... There was like three Milli Vanilli songs that were big. Either way. I just remember...

If you say Milli Vanilli, I just picture two guys running in place because that's all I ever did. That was their big move. I run in place. Right. Synchronized. Next to each other. Synchronized space running. Look at our hair.

It moves around. I'm darker than him. That's than him we have bike shorts on for some reason that was the whole we're really tight bandanas around our face cool right we're the best all right handsome guys running in place that's that's how you become a star the wait is over so far you're not losing the only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that. Ding! The queen of the courtroom is back. I didn't do anything. You wouldn't know the truth if it came up

and slapped you in the face. I see he's not intimidated by anything. I can fix that. New cases. She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone. OK, so, um. Not this is not a so. This is a period. She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone. Okay, so... This is not a so. This is a period.

Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes, Your Honor. You married his cousin. His brother. That's not him. Yes, ma'am. I would make a beeline for the door.

The Emmy Award-winning series returns. How did I know that? I have a crystal ball in my head. It's an all new season. It's streaming. You can say anything. Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. Well, they're not quite handsome enough to run in place.

What about those two? Now that's a Milli Vanilli if I've ever seen one. Isn't Blame It On The Rain the slow one? i feel like that's the ballad yeah but they had a couple of them they had that one and then they had god damn it i don't know i'd have to google it that's a bummer i don't want to do that are you gonna do it i gotta know what that other song was and i'm really upset about it it feels to me like it's something about music or jams or some shit like that you know do you know what i mean no there's nothing no does it show up what is it oh that's right what is it uh uh girl you know it's true there you go yeah that's the fast one and then

baby don't forget my number which I remember, too. Also slow. Very bad. No, that was... It was like a medium. It was annoying. It was a bad one. In my head, I hear Genesis anyway. Yeah, no, it's... Phil Collins? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's...

That was like a bad kind of wannabe club song. Yeah. Shit. God, they sucked. So... How did we let them be famous? I don't know. They were handsome guys that ran in place

weren't bad looking dude in 1988 all you had to do was be handsome and run in place you didn't even have to know how to sing or do anything now you don't know i don't know how to sing either because they can just make you sound like they could have taken those guys that's the shame part of it it really is those guys they disgraced them they took the one guy just you know went into a complete shit thing of drugs and took their grammys from didn't they took the one guy just you know went into a complete shit thing of drugs and took their grammys didn't they took their grammys back made them like the biggest villains in the world right all of this type of shit it's a record label yeah they just hired those guys what the who wouldn't what two dancers wouldn't take a job like that of course i'm gonna

make you world famous yeah i don't care whatever so they do to everybody but they could have taken two guys that spoke mostly just german and they can auto-tune them into millie vanillie nowadays and they could have just ran in place and it would have been fine shame they're ahead of their time yeah and most of those people that sing it like the super bowl and shit like that they're not auto-tuned they don't have any studio shit they sound terrible yeah most people sound like shit singing bad that's a problem back in the day like in the i'm talking like in the 60s and shit you'd have to go like if you listen to like an old soul album go listen to like a reet the franklin or some shit like that she had to go into the studio and fucking nail it nail it that's it there was no

you nailed it 75 takes until you do it you fucking you sit here all day you kick the shit out of it and it was beautiful because there's old songs that have certain little hitches and voices that are not intentional but that was the best fucking take yeah but it makes it real and you feel like you're more connected to the person it's not this perfect weird computer right that's coming out that sounds like uh you know like a cartoon not a person it's like a cartoon theme song it's coming out of their mouth what the fuck is that strange dude so terrible i don't like it so again makes us sound old it does i don't like in my day you had to sing to sing well that was way before our day i know i was talking even in our day you didn't

have to sing the same i'm talking about fucking this you know like the 60 like the sixties and shit. Like I wasn't anywhere near the sixties. Christ, we're not that old, but it makes us sound like we're saying that it does. It does. It's even worse. We're like back in before our day, right?

I'll tell you what I missed. The Victrola. What are we doing? All this, all this people who had that, they were the lucky ones. All this convenience to put in your car putting your car the key in your car and starting it

that's crazy we should have to go out there and crank it go crank it up like an airplane wind it like a watch mister yeah a plane used to do that yeah

go out front and wind up the plane please a man used to have to do that in front of our fucking soldiers then he thumbs up and they'd run out of the way. It's running.

Is it? We could tell by the... I can tell by all the black soot in my face now. Yeah, that's all I can tell. You know how that goes. So, fuck, man. Sorry. No, sorry.

This was such a long tangent. We went so far. You know what? Who cares? Let's get back. He's fake, so why not? Okay. Angelina, Keith Richards.

The guy's name is Keith Richards. We can't help it. We're only human, for fuck's sake. So she calls the police on December 22nd to report Brian missing, then calls Keith Richards and says, hey, Brian planned to go to the warehouse to pick up Christmas gifts that were stored there. Can you please check the warehouse? Okay.

Maybe he fell asleep on a pile of gifts. Yeah's check it out so keith did so uh he went there but found he didn't see that brian had been anywhere near there anytime soon or anytime recently there was no sign of brian got it he didn't come here last night so sometime that afternoon uh brian's brothers, Keith and Matthew Richards, visited Angelina at the house. Angelina was drinking wine with a friend of hers. She was hanging out having a ladies night with a female friend drinking some wine. Sounds nice. Which is what you do when your husband's missing. Generally.

I mean, you got to take the edge off and take all the anxiety out of the situation. Not just late. Like, police notified missing. You want to come over and have a glass of wine? you got to take the edge off and take all the anxiety out of these true not just late like police notified missing you just you want to come over and have a glass of wine there's a difference between doing that on your lonesome and then having a fucking wine party you know that's the thing like you're having a friend over you're discussing it's like well so we opened a box of franzia what's the problem it's like listen there's an issue there you're missing somebody this is not a good thing so uh uh yeah So she was sitting on the porch by herself with a bottle of wine in her hand, drinking.

Oh, she's distraught. Right. But her and her friend at a table just seem like they're... Standing out there. Not even sitting. Just standing, leaning against the post in inside-out sweatpants. You know, eating cheese. That's fine.

Yeah, that would be okay. That I accept. Inside with like hors d'oeuvres on the table i'm like goddamn charcuterie this isn't okay yeah olives she cut meat for this she sliced vegetables i don't care for this so uh they end up these two keith and matthew uh visit angelina at home find her drinking wine with a friend keith says that at that point, he notices Brian's on the kitchen table is a binder. Yeah. And it is Brian's insurance policy binder.

It's already out. Which is on the table already, which is he's been gone like 24 hours. Like, yeah, you just called the cops. And she's like, well, let's see what the insurance has to say about this. Where's his folio? Yeah, that's that's a little aggressive i think on that but whatever i mean quick move gotta cross your your t's dot your i's so keith asked angelina if she had found brian's life insurance policy and she said she didn't and uh

he's like well i saw he didn't say that but he he did it just to see what she would say and she said no and he was like okay and then later on the policy binder was moved to the top of the washing machine in the laundry room. Yeah. That's where he found it later on. So she's looking through it and doesn't want people to know she's looking through it, which is, you know, if you're the guy's brother, you're like, that's weird. And it's also partially hidden under a pile of clothes. So it's not just thrown somewhere. It's placed under something.

And she's trying not to let anyone see it after she had it in plain sight on the kitchen table. under a pile of clothes oh so it's not just thrown somewhere it's placed under something and just trying not to let anyone see it after she had it in you know plain sight on the kitchen table so at some point keith asks angelina where is brian's white utility truck i don't see it and you know where is it and uh she said that my friend has it my friend Ralphie L yeah Ralphie L has it so Brian apparently had let Ralphie L drive the truck in the past had let him lent it to

him for certain shit I don't know what the hell he's doing with it but whatever so Keith Richards he asks Angelina to call Ralphie L and ask him to bring the truck back yeah to call Ralphie L and ask him to bring the truck back. Yeah.

Okay. So Ralphie L comes and Matthew goes to the truck's lockbox. It's a utility truck, so it's got one of those lockboxes. It's on the side. There you go. Goes to the truck's lockbox

and to check for Brian's Glock, which is there. He's got a gun in there. Jesus. That he keeps in his deal. I don't know why. Is that legal in San Diego? I'm sure it's not.

I don't think that is. To keep it just in a locked utility truck. I don't know gun laws across this country, but that seems a smidge. Either way, it seems willy-nilly just to keep it in there, I feel like. Just in the driveway? Yeah, just in a lockbox. You get in an accident. I don't know.

It just seems odd. Seems like an accident so i don't know it just seems seems odd seems like an odd place smidge reckless you could get hit and the box could come open and a gun could go flying into the street i feel like that's probably a bad thing for i don't know anybody i don't think it's probably good so weird place to do it so uh anyway he checks the gun is gone now it's not in the lockbox but i mean he doesn't know brian took it out for some reason or we don't know where brian is we don't even know where the fuck he is. So, yeah, how would we know? So, yeah, that's how this goes.

Keith then says, while he and Matthew were outside near the truck, Angelina and Ralphie L. spoke to each other in the doorway of the house. I guess Ralphie L. ended up leaving with Brian's utility truck after Angelina said for the first time, this is all of a sudden now she comes up with this. Ralphie L. takes the truck again. So they brought it back. Gun's missing. And he's like, I don't know.

They let him go away. Now, after this conversation, Angelina goes into the driveway to talk to Keith and Brian and tells them that I'm sorry, Matthew. Brian is there. He's missing. Goes to talk to Keith and Matthew. These are confusing, or I'm sorry, Matthew, Brian is there. Yeah. He's missing, goes to talk to Keith and Matthew. These are confusing people. A lot of people. And Angelina tells them that Brian had gone to the store to buy firewood last

night too. So that was also, he was going to the warehouse and he was also going to the store to get firewood. So Angelina asks him to search for Brian at nearby grocery stores. Maybe he's still looking for firewood. Sometimes they're out. You know what I mean?

You got to listen. When I was married, I hated to come home without having whatever I was sent out for. That's what I mean. You just go. He could still be going grocery store to grocery store. Keep looking. Could be a really long night, even though he could have chopped. He could have felled the Joshua Tree forest by now and dragged it back home with him but i'd rather come home with the product five hours late than

come home without it at least i had it with a harrowing tale maybe you can get some sympathy out of it but don't worry i've got the firewood i've got firewood so uh yeah uh now uh angela said please go you know search for him by grocery. Just go to the grocery stores around here and see if he's there. Yeah. Hanging out. Moving into the grocery store, I guess. I don't know. So, Keith and Matthew.

Waiting on the stock. I don't know. Yeah. They said the wood guy's coming soon. They said he's coming on Tuesday. I told them, I'm not leaving until I get it. I'll wait. He's just pulled up in the loading zone out in front of the place

and up on the green curb just hanging the glock in his waistband apparently there you go hanging out i'll wait i'll wait i really want your firewood do you have the best firewood so keith and matthew they leave the house about 9 p.m. to go check the local grocery stores. This is, you know, it's been a fucking day here. 24 hours is a little long. So about 20 minutes later, there's an Albertsons there. West Coast grocery chain. Might be East Coast too, but I don't know.

I've only seen in California and Arizona so far. One of the better ones. So Albertsons isn't bad. It's not terrible. AJ's is good there. AJ's is amazing. Yeah, it's expensive. I can't afford it.

That's the thing. It's not terrible. AJ's is good. AJ's is amazing. Yeah, it's expensive. I can't afford it. That's the thing. It's nice to go there. When you want something specific that you can get that one time, then you're like, I'm going to go to AJ's and get that. You're like, yeah. When I'm going to have bison burgers for like 12 people, I'll go pick it up there and walk out with just bison and be like, I could have had all that wine that all those people are having.

Look at the nice cheeses. Look at that. Oh, that's expensive. One thing they do have there. I just spent every dime I have on eight pounds of bison. Eight pounds of bison. I just spent my rent money on eight pounds of bison. This isn't good.

You can get big, giant bones there cheap. If you go to their butcher, they'll give you a giant bone for $3. Oh, that's awesome. There's fucking meat on it. It's a giant bone. Yeah, for dogs. Great. It's really cool. We $3. Oh, that's awesome. With fucking meat on it. It's a giant bone. Yeah, for dogs. Great. It's really cool.

We used to do it for our dogs. Until Frankie ended up like... That was your affordable thing you could get, AJ? Yeah, that was our thing. It wasn't even for us. It was for the goddamn dog. Can I have your scraps, please, AJs? Sarah came home with an AJs bag.

She's like, ooh, what'd we get? And it's like, oh, it's a dog. Not for you. Shit. Yeah, I did get some nice stuff it's like, oh, it's dog. Not for you. Shit. Yeah, I did get some nice stuff at AJ's. Right, Frankie? Never mind. How's that doing, Frankie?

I'm going to sit over here with my fries burgers. Disgusting fries burgers. Yeah. So there's an Albertson's supermarket nearby, and they spot Brian's other pickup truck that he drives. So they spot it in there. So they obviously pull in. Holy shit, there's his truck. That's great.

This is a surprise. Maybe he's waiting on firewood like hardcore. So they go in there. They don't see him sitting in the truck. There's nobody in the cab of the truck. So they're like, okay. They get out of the car, obviously, to go look over the truck and see what the fuck, you know, see what the hell's going on.

Is there any signs of what's, you know, you leave a trail of breadcrumbs. They look in the window of the truck. Nothing doing. He's not, like, sleeping on the seat of the cab. They look in the bed of the truck, and they find Brian. Oh.

He is dead in the back of his truck. Not waiting on wood. Not, well, I mean, he might have waited too long. Yeah. You never know. I think maybe that's what it was. He waited a truck. Not waiting on wood. Not. Well, I mean, he might have waited too long. Yeah. You never know. I think maybe that's what it was. He waited a little too long for the wood. Yeah.

Exposed to the elements. He is in the bed of his truck lying there dead. Unbelievable. From the looks of it, they don't know what happened. But it turns out he's been strangled and dumped in the back of his pickup truck. Oh, no. And dumped in the back of his pickup truck. Oh, no. The medical examiner testifies later on that his hyoid bone was broken.

That's located in the throat. That's a strangle. It's a big indicator of a strangle. The break did not cause his death. The examiner said that Brian died of non-ligature manual strangulation. Oh, no. And opined that a chokehold must have been applied to his neck for several minutes like a manual chokehold right you'd have to know how to put a chokehold

on somebody to yeah you'd really have to do it yeah not even like a hand it's a lot manual is fuck yeah that takes a long time there's no signs of a struggle or marks on Brian's body consistent with defensive wounds either. So they're thinking this has to probably be from an attack from behind because an attack from the front. If somebody put their hands on your throat, you would grab their face and then there would be. Yeah, there would be something to where you would have a, know there'd be a struggle ensuing if someone grabs your throat from the front what he's with fucking first thing you're doing is trying to punch them in the nose unless they are unbelievably longer than you you at least have them within arms reach exactly unless i'm strangling you right or something of that nature it's and even still with

a strangle yeah with a strangle yeah you have the extra arm you're gonna throw out there's a struggle at least that's what i mean you can get to somebody but there's no apparently any signs of any of that so the the police are thinking possibly this must have come from the back side which is not the side you usually see you know manual strangulations manual strangulations are usually on top choking with the thumbs on the larynx. That's the usual thing. Other than it would be someone very specific that would get someone from behind and choke them to death that way.

They'd have to know what they're doing as well. Weird thing, obviously. So that's the deal. Now, the day after this, December the 23rd, it's Merry Christmas,

everybody. Sheriff's detectives talk to Angela and other members of Brian's family. And they talk to Ralphie L. They talk to Matthew. They talk to Keith Richards. Angelina, correct? Angelina, yeah. They talk to Angelina, Ralphie L, everybody.

So they ask Angelina about life insurance. And she says that Brian had life insurance, but she didn't know the amount of the death benefit. She's like, I don't know what it is. Meanwhile, she knows exactly what it is. She's had the fucking book out since he was missing for 12 hours. She's been wandering around with it like it's the secret. Yeah, that's it. She's been carrying it.

She's got a backpack. She keeps it in. So Angelina tells the detectives that one time Brian, her husband, had been involved with a man named Thomas Esparza. This was in a scheme, apparently, involving the receipt and sale of stolen medical equipment. Brian sells medical equipment. That's his business. That's a big business. They make pretty good money.

That's why she's able to give $10,000 and nobody really notices. So I guess if you're selling medical equipment, that's happened. We've seen this a lot where somebody will get get a big giant supply of bum pacemakers and sell them out just to get rid of them. They get a cheap supply and sell them and then end up fucking people die from it. And 20 years later, they end up getting fined a billion dollars. It's it's happened before. Really? So, yeah, medical sales are really equipment.

Yeah, they're like refurbishing pacemakers. Oh, that's horrifying. Shit like that. Putting ones that weren't, they didn't run the full time. They're older than they should be. They would change expiration dates on them. What? Shit like that.

Yeah. It's happened a lot. Their batteries die. What the fuck? Well, if you think about it, people, they do that to people with cars. Yeah. And you can fucking look under. You can look at that, you know, and they they will fucking give you a shit part, a used

part. They've been doing that for 100 years on cars. Selling cars constantly. They know they're faulty and they're like, we'll pull it back on the recall later. Well, we got to get the new model out. If they sew it into your body, how the hell are you going to check on it? It's hard. You don't know shit till you drop dead.

Right. At that point. I mean, they had a bad heart. Yeah, they dropped dead. Such a bad heart. They had to have a pacemaker. We did our best. We gave them a part to extend it that's it what about over earlier yeah so apparently she tells police also that brian and esparza had both been convicted convicted

of crimes from that scheme okay so she said maybe this has something to do with it because she says after brian uh was released from prison uh esparza had frequently called the home here and attempted to extort money from brian and had argued with brian over the phone a lot about money and all this type of shit so she says he's got a an angry ex-business partner who just got out of prison and so you know who knows if these could have been him so uh also ralphiel tells detectives about the conflict with esparza so he knows everything really into their business it's too far into this life right he says yeah i heard about brian uh fighting with that guy um but the one thing that angelina and ralphiel fail to mention that they leave out to the detectives is that they've been fucking since august they're not going to mention that yeah she doesn't say this is my boyfriend all right ralphie

l this is my baloney pony yeah no not happening so sometime uh later that day or around that time period angelina ends up speaking with the insurance agent who sold brian the policy uh this guy inquired whether the she inquired whether the death benefit was five hundred thousand or a million dollars. Now, the insurance agent says that Angelina called him and Angelina says that the insurance agent called her. OK, so there's conflicting. One of them has no reason to lie. Yeah, we'll put it that way. Right.

Also, both of she's dumb if she's going to lie about that because that's easily figured out. That's easily figured out. Phone records have been looked at since the 90s, 80s. We know who called who. And not only that, who do you believe? Right. Right out of the gate? What stake does the insurance guy have in this fucking thing?

He has all the stake of not paying paying this so why would he want to did you call him or did he she call you well she called me okay i believe that right he has no reason to either way it doesn't matter to him yeah if it's legit he's paying it out if not he's not so it doesn't matter who called who for him so uh yeah that's how that goes and he also the insurance agent also says that he and angelina spoke several times in the days after. And that Brian's after Brian's death and that Angelina asked for an advance on the policy's benefits. Can you even do that? Is that even a I don't I've never heard of that.

I've never heard of that. Can I go ahead and advance me and then we'll pay up later. It's very weird. Yeah. And the insurance agent said it's not like a regular thing people do. No, because when that happened i was like oh maybe that's what people do i don't know maybe like it takes a long time to process so if like he's not now there's no income in the house maybe you maybe that's normal don't worry about it well your bills will be fine pretty soon i didn't know i have no idea but apparently his insurance agent said, no, no, very weird.

Yeah. Called it surprising and atypical. So not normal here. He also says that Angelina was calm and unemotional during their conversations. Like, well, Brian's dead. You know, the policy. A lot about the policy. Yeah.

No, nothing there. Brian's dead. Policy says payable upon death. So pay up a little in advance if you could please so yeah give me in good faith a down payment you're gonna pay me come on so uh yeah angelina seeks all of this and makes a formal claim for the uh for the proceeds on january 30th 2002 okay so pretty quick yeah not you know didn't wait very long february 16th 2002 uh lisa one of the brother's wives and uh she said that she and matthew's wife linda richards

invited angelina out for an evening it's february february 16th is brian's birthday and so they said ma'am she might need some emotional support so the two sister-in-laws take her out to dinner okay okay now lisa says that angelina said on that occasion while they're out to dinner angelina's like well brian was a drug dealer is what she starts telling these ladies yeah brian was a drug dealer and the sheriff's department recovered a bunch of ecstasy in his pickup truck where they found him dead she tells them that uh she says there's an ongoing investigation and even a possible link between his drug activities and his death so she's like very sad he was living a secret life and i'm just very upset about it

the police told me all about it and uh you know that's how it goes there so very very very sad obviously now while that's going on on february 16th and she's telling everybody you know making telling everybody exactly what they need to know what she wants them to know uh two days before that somebody else was being deposed like legally deposed and asked about everything and that's gerald strebrent why uh well we'll find out here they talked to him on february 13th and 14th um which time he says that he met angelina through oh this is later on they find this out but he was being deposed at the time he uh they found he said that he met angelina through Tori in early September of 2001.

And later that same month, he witnessed Angelina and Tori get Brian super drunk so that they could spend the evening together without him. Oh, boy. Like, they got him shit-faced so he'd pass out. So they could go hang out and do shit and fucking everything like that. Clever. I guess, yeah. I mean, that's like, you know, you gave the kid a little too much Dymatap so you could fucking, I don't know what the hell that's about guess yeah i mean that's like you know you gave the the kid a little too much dime a tap so you could fucking i don't know what the hell that's about this nightwell smoothie that's weird that's some weird shit man that's borderline dangerous like well i mean

what's next if booze doesn't work we'll slip something in his drink brian have a shot you guys are just drinking beer and wine what do i I got to do the show? You're drinking seven up. What's going on here? So Angelina says that the idea to get Brian intoxicated was proposed by others. And that while and that while she drove Ralphie L to his car after Brian passed out, she didn't have a sexual encounter with him. Obviously, I mean, she's a married woman. I'm not going to have sex with this man. obviously i mean she's a married woman not gonna have sex with this this man so uh during the deposition streber testifies that angelina told him that she and tori were having an affair okay now streber also will say here in the deposition that he saw angela give tori ten

thousand dollars in cash and that shortly afterward tory said this quote angelina just wishes she could be rid of brian she wishes he was just gone and she's even willing to pay somebody ten thousand dollars to do it and she knows you are were a sniper in the marines and she wanted to know if you're interested holy shit so this is yeah he In his deposition, he said, Raphael offered me the job to kill Brian, I guess to snipe him for $10,000. That's crazy. That's a crazy offer. Strebrant said that he told Tory

that I'm not killing this fucking guy. I don't even know this guy, barely, and I'm not killing him. That's just not my bag. I usually kill on the grounds of fucking national security. Yeah, plus I'm like four and one. I got something going on here. I got something cooking in the MMA here.

I'm not going to start killing people. What the fuck is wrong with you here? I haven't even hit grace yet. Do you understand I'm pre-grace right now? That's not how the stories go. I haven't submitted to punches yet. Yeah, I do this, and then I submit to punches. We call that grace, and then you laugh, and the next thing you know, I don't know, like

Dexter Manley comes in and makes, you don't know how this works, do you, Ralphie't know how this works do you want to murder before grace no you can't have a pre-grace murder this is goddamn ridiculous ralphie i'll get the hell away from me i'm sorry you don't know the shawarma man you're you're also the government retired me i'm no good at this anymore yeah i stink well that's not he might be great at it he just he just stopped because his time was done and he wanted to do other shit he wanted to pummel people with his bare hands rather than shoot them. He was done shooting them. It's so impersonal. Yeah.

A mile away? I could hurt someone just with my bare hands. Talk about a different thing. A mile away as compared to literally dry humping a man. You can't get any different than that. Shooting from a mile away. I'm going to snipe them up in their face. Yeah.

With my hands. To that, too. I'm going to snipe them up in their face. Yeah. With my hand. To that, to I'm going to teabag this guy while I punch him. It's a totally different thing. So, according to Gerald here, Ralphie L. called him several times in late December and early to mid-January, stating that Brian had been killed and emphasizing that he needs to see Streber in person. Need to see you right now. He's dead to see streber in person need to see you right now he's dead brian's dead i need to see you so gerald's like jesus christ he finally decides he's going to meet with tory and it's like mid-january 2002 when they meet uh ralphie l admits that he he killed brian he tells gerald i killed brian but it was self-defense i had no choice i mean you know he was mad at me okay i had no choice he said that brian accused him of having a fair

with an affair with angelina and that uh that brian pointed a gun at him he pointed at the glock that he kept in the truck he pointed it at me and he goes you know i am a full-fledged ninja Kumite Woods champion. Right. So obviously I, you know. I disarmed him. I gave him a quick karate strike to the gun. Right. Which he stood there dumbfounded with. Couldn't believe that I was coming at him. And then I did.

Then I took the chamber off the gun with my bare hand and without touching a thing. It was pretty impressive. While keeping eye contact with him. And stripped it. Which was cool. And then I touched his neck and he fell down. It was awesome. So this is his story.

He says that he pulls this gun on him. He's at gunpoint now, Ralphie L. I mean, it's dangerous shit. But it's not that dangerous because he knocked the gun from Brian's hand. That's what he said. His quick reflexes took over. And he said he hit the gun from Brian's's hand right that's what he said he knocked his quick reflexes took over and he said he hit the gun from brian brian's hand the gun went flying yeah you know obviously because you you keep a nice loose grip on a gun when you're pointing it's generally yeah you're

not like oh shit you know tightly gripping horrified white knuckle on the thing and white knuckle holding the thing that's about to save your life no no what you do is you loosely hold it and then you let the guy take a swing at you i bet you can't kick this out of my hand you wet noodle it uh to let him know that you mean business that's that's how it works here you know so confident in my gun usage so he knocked the gun from his hands okay now he's pointing it at him yeah knocked it from his, which would make him obviously stand there in shock and horror. Oh, my God. Oh, my. He's such a ninja.

I'm so vulnerable. Whoa. What a ninja. I never expected him to be so, his reflexes to be so cat-like. He's like always Sonny Mac's description of himself is what he's doing. That's how I picture telling the story. So I gave him an ocular pat down, and I noticed there's a Glock. So I took him down an ocular pat down and i noticed there's a glock so i took him down you know uh you know ocular pat gave an ocular pat down

realized that he found the glock needed to not be here yeah so yeah he and then he said that's how he then knocks it from his hands somehow i assume with a slow motion flip over brian's head i have no way of knowing this but i don't know how he got behind him from having the gun pointed at him but i assume he hit the gun and then from a standing position leapt into the air yep did a barrel roll like a total flip over it landed spun and then before brian could turn around in shock of this, he was looking up, going, where'd he go? He just applied this rear choke hold. Probably had him dead within seconds, I would imagine, right?

Real Raiden from Mortal Kombat move. Yeah, just a, yeah, it was a real, yeah. Over him. And then he finished him. Yep. That's how it worked. And it was fatality time. Okay.

They choked him out. So I wish I had that on video. Well, never mind the woods kumite that would have been a good time to have it this looks impressive where's your rca so who has the panasonic so according to strebrant ralphie l said that he just wanted he was just trying to choke him out put him unconscious you know so he can't get the gun but he said he felt something crush in brian's neck and that's what he released the hold he said oh no what did i do and let him go even though he's a guy who was trying to kill

him with a gun yeah i mean oh i don't want to hurt him yeah yeah i don't want to hurt the guy jesus uh so he said i let him go what's going on he said oh my god he's dead what do i do yeah so he was just shocked he didn't know what to do uh he said so ralphie l said to strebrant look you gotta do me a favor here obviously you know my ninja reflexes took over there's nothing i can do about that i'm trained since birth to do this he said but you can do me a favor to help me out of this you need to give me provide provide provide me an alibi can you do that just say you were with me um you know and you know we were here and maybe we've like we were eating some sushi and we've got some girls streaming i'm not fucking doing that good for him i'm not killing the guy and i'm not saying you were with me when you killed the guy i've had

more fights than you i'm not scared of you no that's the other thing i you're not fucking ninja flipping over me i'll kick your goddamn ass so not not happening here so uh he doesn't he does however agree to hang on to brian's glock okay because ralphie l had the gun okay that was missing from the truck he took the gun so strebrant's like all right i'll hang out there so strebrant takes the gun and stores it at his home in oregon that's where he lives so strebrant after that um has it for a while, and then he goes, this isn't right. So he contacts the sheriff's detectives and recounts the conversation and everything and gives them the gun. Great. And agrees to, not only that, he agrees to make recorded telephone calls to Angelina as well.

Awesome. To set everybody up and bust them. Oh, fantastic. They picked the wrong cat here. He hasn't even lost yet say say it what's gerald uh pre-grace what is he uh what is he for you for me he's my kind of guy okay hang on to that oh no put that in your pocket for later son of a bitch oh boy he's jimmy's kind of guy so we know what that means everybody oh boy so anyway uh during this march 5th 2002 angela receives 50 000 in cash in an advance from

the insurance company they advanced her unbelievable uh six days later on march 11th she purchases a vacation package to cancun me Mexico for both herself and Ralphie L. She took a sandals like a fucking. Yep. What? She purchased a fucking package deal to Cancun for her and Tori. Holy shit. So these two idiots are going to go down there and pretend they're on their honeymoon.

Wild. Yeah. So like the douchiest place. We're going to Cancun. Oh, my God. I just saw a commercial. That looks pretty. I like the sun. Come on going to cancun oh my god i just saw a commercial that looks pretty i like the sun come on down to cancun oh man that's bad it's like a the western virginia yeah all those virginias for lovers commercials becky's is that it was cancun was that uh uh spring break from mtv around this time i wonder if they saw feel- Maybe. It feels as though they did a spring break in Mexico.

But they're like 40, these people. What the hell are they doing going to spring break? You'd think they'd be going, oh, don't go to Cancun. That's where spring break's going to be. No. At 40, you avoid spring break. You go, where's spring break going to be? Cool, I'll be on the opposite coast then, because I'm not going-

Spring break in Canada? Anywhere near that shit. I'll be in Canada. Yeah. I'll still be able to smell the vomit have a good one enjoy whereas when you're 20 you'd be like fucking where is it man now don't have the energy so um also a lot everyone that comes forward who the sheriff's deputies uh detectives talk to say that ralphie l was constantly at angelina's home beginning about a week or two

after brian's death he pretty much lived there didn't live there he was there all the time so september of 2002 uh the insurance company the nationwide insurance company files a complaint against uh angelina here so much for on your side yeah they're not quite on your side here they're nationwide we'll take you to court yeah nationwide we'll sue your ass that's one of that's what they got here so nationwide we'll have you served we'll take back your chicken farm we'll take back your chicken you know it so uh the complaint names angelina bryce and kendall as defendants here so the whole family here keith was appointed as guardian uh guardian and ad litem for bryce and kendall who are the two sons of brian so uh there we go uh now california this is the law here that i found

uh a named beneficiary of a bond life insurance policy or other contractual arrangement who feloniously and intentionally kills the principal obligee or the person under whose life the policy is issued is not entitled to any benefit under the bond policy or other contractual arrangement. And it becomes payable as though the killer had pre-deceased the decedent. Wow. arrangement and it becomes payable as though the killer had pre-deceased the decedent wow so you're just you don't exist anymore in terms of that in terms of the you know who gets what so that's what they're saying they're saying she's involved in the death is what they think and we're not paying and we're not paying jack fucking shit for that so angelina files a cross claim against keith and a counterclaim against nationwide seeking or seeking a declaration that she's entitled to the proceeds as the primary name beneficiary so keith files a cross claim

against angelina seeking a declaration that bryce and kendall are entitled to the proceeds and seeking a return of the fifty thousand dollars that nationwide advanced to angela oh my god so we want that back too to give to the kids because she stole it is what they're saying. We've got to litigate this now. Oh, what a mess. So Keith says that Angela conspired in Brian's murder, thus disqualifying herself from receiving any benefits of the policy and that as a result, the policy benefits are payable to the children. And that's it. Nationwide deposited the policy proceeds into the district court's registry and was granted judgment for the whole thing here.

The district court conducted a bench trial and issued findings of fact, which determined that Angelina did conspire, conspire, aid and abet Brian's murder and thus is disqualified from receiving any proceeds from the policy the district court entered a judgment against angelina and keith as uh and for keith as guardian for the kids they did this prior to being arrested yeah they decided how did they figure out because as far as they found from the facts they basically do it's like a civil trial they basically do like you know the oj civil trial they have their own trial to see and if they're you know convinced that that well that seems reckless to say i don't know she murdered somebody and they're like well we can't really prove that but we can not pay her based on that apparently we can have a court thing for it so wild december 2003 december 11 2003 is the first time uh the first time that gerald spoke with angelina in about two

years i hadn't talked to her in about two years as we know from the end of the month end of the year there 2001 gerald distribut tells angelina quote the gun that rafael gave me has been recovered okay that's what she says angelina responds that she didn't know what gerald was talking about and that she should talk to ralph he should talk to ralphiel if that's something to do with him because i don't know shit about it so uh december 12 2003 the next day streber calls back again and talked to her in two years and he's calling her all the time constantly he tells angelina that ralphiel admitted to killing brian in self-defense and had given gerald uh brian's gun and told strebrent that angelina would pay ten thousand

dollars for somebody to kill brian so basically he's just trying to get her to fucking talk about this so you remember two years ago and you said like you'd have someone kill brian for ten thousand dollars and then like someone did and then like i had the gun do you remember that right it's basically what he's doing to get that on tape he's bad at this he's not very good at it but i don't know what else it's it's just awkward if there's no way of naturally bringing up a murder with someone you haven't talked to in two years correct that you're not really close to anyway you know he barely knows her he knows the dude yeah right it's not that's why she's like i don't know i would talk to him like i barely know you she responded to all this with quote that's ridiculous i would never say that so she's that's weird too though

she's like she senses something's up which if you haven't talked to someone in two years and then they call you she's like but as somebody that if you did or if you didn't do it if you never said that you'd be like, what the fuck are you saying right now? I got to talk to Ralph about this because that's. Did he say that? I've never said that. That is crazy.

That's ridiculous. What are you talking about? Hold on. I got to get some Francie and my friends here. So Angelina did not call the sheriff's department or anybody else to report this conversation, which in her mind, she's totally doesn't know a thing about her poor poor husband being murdered and a man just called you to tell you who murdered him and how it happened and everything else and you didn't call to try to and it's kind of extorting you yes exactly i'd like ten thousand dollars so if you would normally

call the sheriff's department for sure i got a call from my blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I think maybe my boyfriend had something to do with this. Or at least his friend is calling me about some weird shit. Super weird. Yeah. So Angelina doesn't do that, though. When questioned by sheriff's deputies the following day, because they sit her down the next day to question her about it. Because they know about it.

Because they know about it because they know about it she then admitted that she spoke to gerald the previous day but said the only matter discussed was whether tory was home meanwhile they recorded it obviously so that's not true when asked how gerald came to possess brian's gun angelina said that she just didn't know so december 17th 2003 ralphie l is arrested for murder yeah he is definitely most certainly arrested for murder uh at his trial here uh angelina does not testify she is uh takes the fifth against you know her right against self-incrimination sure and uh um she also invoked the privilege during uh her deposition taking taken to refuse the following several questions. This is what she did during the deposition.

So there was a deposition for the, that's how they figured out that she was involved in the killing with the insurance thing. During the deposition, these are the questions she wouldn't answer. Quote, did you ever express to Raphael Torrey a desire to, quote, get rid of Brian? Did you ever tell Raphael to kill Brian? Prior to Brian's murder, did you ever tell anybody that you and Raphael were going to move away together? Did you have any involvement at all in Brian and Brian's murder? Did you ever proposition Raphael to kill Brian?

Did you ever ask Gerald Strebrant to kill Brian? Did you ever ask Raphael Torrey to provide you with an alibi because you had killed Brian? Okay. Didn't wouldn't answer any of those questions. None of those had no answer for those whatsoever to her. Took took the fifth on those. So now the defense here, Ralphie L's defense here. He's got to do something.

Sure. I don't know what the hell he's going to do. There's a lot of it's not looking good for him at this moment. There's two different people saying he did it. And the defense theory is we're just going alibi. He wasn't there. Period. If he's not there, how the fuck could he have done it?

Simple. Right? Alibi. He said that he testified. He says that he couldn't have killed Brian because he wasn't with him at the time of the murder. That simple. Dude, I wasn't there.

How could I have done it? He said that he did not go to Brian with Orange County to pick up Christmas presents. He said he was taking a shower at the time at a Rancho Cookamonga gym he's like i was doing that he said then i drove to yucca valley to have dinner with my wife you know because ralphie l's married too oh boy yeah oh no this poor woman and not only are you having an affair but you killed the woman's husband too wow this is great imagine getting that oh unloaded on you if you and if you're a wife you'd have to think i'm clearly next well yeah obviously this is not good yeah they're clearing the path here this isn't good i would be very worried about this he said he's taking a shower in rancho cucamonga at the gym then drove home

at dinner with his wife he said he could not perform a chokehold on brian because he had previously injured his hand in a bar brawl. It's like, I got in a bar fight like three days before that. My hand is messed up. There's no way I could choke a guy to death. I'm not a piece of shit that would choke a guy. I'm a piece of shit that gets in bar fights. Yeah, so, you know, and then can't choke a guy because of that.

It makes myself incapable. You know how it works. So he does say that he did make statements to Gerald saying that he killed Brian by applying a chokehold that broke Brian's neck. He also testifies that he told Gerald that Brian came into his studio, pulled a gun and threatened to kill him because of his relationship with Brian's wife. Got it. relationship with brian's wife got it so um it's at that point where uh ralphie l said that he raised his hand and walked toward brian begging him not to kill him when brian went to lift the gun back up that's when ralphie l knocked it out of his hand yeah straight ninja style yeah and then as brian bent down to pick the gun up you know, and his surprise as he shuffled around the ground, that's when Ralphie L jumped on him from the back and applied the choke hold.

And just in the adrenaline of the moment, didn't realize the type of pressure he was putting on him and broke his neck. But he would have never done it if he wasn't going for a gun. All right. I'm just a nice guy. if he wasn't going for a gun all right i'm just a nice guy so he said that these statements to gerald were lies that angelina directed him to tell all the rest of the stuff that's incriminating all that other shit that he said that's bad for me that was all angelina said to say all that stuff so right yeah it works um about a week after the murder angelina told uh told ralphie l that she hired and paid someone to kill her husband because she was tired of Brian abusing her and she knew she would never get out from under her marriage.

Angelina told Ralphie L to tell Gerald the chokehold story because it would protect her. If she was arrested, then Ralphie L could come forward and claim self-defense. He said, this is our plan. Okay. Yeah. He said, this is our plan. Okay. Yeah.

That way, Angelina would be released because she didn't kill Brian. And then Ralphie L would be free on self-defense grounds. That's the plan. That's the A to B. That's the A to B. You didn't actually kill him, so they'll just let you go. And then me, obviously, they'll just let me go because it was obviously self-defense. See, she has been abused for so long we both have been studying the law and figuring out how we can uh

fix this without involving you know police and such obviously we'll handle it in-house i've seen you guys around you're busy you're busy i'm just gonna say that time to be dealing with the guy that hits his wife i got it it's okay i got this one don't worry about it you guys take a take a powder take a five this one's for you call me bruce wayne you know how it works so uh yeah he said he did that and um he also said the um uh ralphie l said that the his stoke his choke hold story to gerald was untrue brian never came to the studio and didn't confront him with a gun and he didn't even choke Brian. He also mentioned that he was unaware that Brian had life insurance. So he says everything that Gerald says is a lie.

I didn't do shit. I don't know what you're talking about. He's got money. Angelina tried to set me up. You're trying to set me up. Gerald's trying to set me up. Everybody was setting me up. Goddamn nationwide.

Yeah. So. So following this um this is a first degree murder case by the way this is no joke here uh with uh intent to profit from the proceeds which is uh by the way eligible for the death penalty we'll talk about he uh verdict comes in guilty for ralphie l of first degree murder in california in california they are considering going for the death penalty here this is they're not fucking around they are looking at the death penalty on him this is exactly the type of thing that they like giving the death penalty sure murder for profit right you know i cold-blooded to get some money to bang some lady not just

murder for profit but murder for profit in terms of fucking defrauding a an insurance company yeah it's real bad it's it's bad shit man so i mean he is distraught sure as you might imagine and he said he feels very misunderstood yeah this is bullshit i was doing my thing i'm just i'm you know i can't help this guy this lady kills her husband it's not my fucking problem like i didn't do it obviously it's not me yeah if i you know if he did were to confront me with a gun obviously i would ninja kick it from his hands and do a you know spin over his body and then choke him to death clearly but i didn't i could have i would i'm very capable i'm capable of it but i didn't you know how works. So he's just sitting there. He's very disappointed in the whole thing.

And he gets a new cellmate, and it cheers him up a little bit. It's somebody that understands him finally. It's Adam Pac-Man Jones, a roogle, a connoisseur. And he says, he doesn't have music, so he can just go in. He says, how is it you've come to a right? This is ridiculous. This man shouldn't be here. This man, this man, you're holding.

Excuse me. Guard, guard, guard. This man, he's a hero. He's a Navy SEAL. I've seen him, I believe it was up uh up in the uh in the northwest forest i saw him in a wonderful it was a competition of combat skills that he was just a wonderful man he came in he left with it uh it wouldn't even fit in a duffel bag this trophy was were you out there tending your arugula oh he was it's what i have a field out there. This is just ridiculous. He's a misunderstood man.

Yeah. There's a chokehold. This is silly. And frankly, I'm offended for him. And I'd like to step in and just, you know, I feel like he's a nice man. I'll take the rap. I'm not going to take the rap myself. But, you know, I will punch a person while i hold a popeyes bag

if they think i that that shit that this is he's guilty this is ridiculous i have a popeyes bag and i'm going to keep that and i i have to go i have to my arugula is wilting i know goodbye popeyes is getting cold and it's gone in a in a cloud of popeyes and arugula he's out of there and everyone is very surprised. Sure. Especially, he doesn't understand this at all, Ralphie L. Went to choke him and then he disappeared. It was very weird. So, yeah.

Sentencing comes up and this is, like we said, death penalty eligible here. This is a bad thing. Yeah, they say, you, sir, may fuck off life without parole. Holy shit. Life without the possibility of parole.

Taking it dead ass serious. Gone, fucker. Yeah, apparently he's now getting off on a self-defense, huh? Blame it on the reins, sir. Yeah, I would say. Fucking paint something black. So now Angela, by the way, has an insurance trial now which is uh interesting here um so the um she basically they do this trial for her now um the district court found expressly that

keith was prejudiced by angelina's refusal to answer deposition questions about the subject of her involvement in the murder so they're saying basically it's keith trying to say i'm not with her like yeah she's her own thing and i'm mad at her too basically uh all this evidence in addition to streberin's testimony in support of the court's findings that angelina got conspired in aided and abetted the murder they found that brian possessed a policy worth one million dollars angelina knew about it she had an affair then her and tory leased a commercial building together without brian's knowledge or participation angelina knew that her marriage

might end in divorce soon evidence obviously of the murder strebrant's testimony angelina and ralphiel concealed their affair from detectives angelina misrepresented to detectives uh regarding her knowledge of the policy about who she called she booked a fucking trip to cancun the second she got money lies to the sheriff the murderer with the murderer this all looks very very very bad here and also the adverse inference drawn from angelina's invocation of the fifth amendment right to against self-incrimination you can do that and in a criminal trial they're not allowed to hold that against you but in a civil trial that shit's different that looks bad i mean

they could you could take whatever you want as a factor because it's just a 50 50 you know the 51 is the winner in a in a civil trial there's no reasonable doubt beyond a reasonable doubt so different standards here now ralphie l has to appeal obviously he's got problems right he's going to appeal he's there forever unless he appeals yeah he appeals that he said the court shouldn't should have instructed on manslaughter and self-defense the trial court erroneously imposed a pervol revocation fee he's arguing about fees that they're charging him i don't think that fucking matters at all here uh no uh so they say fuck off you're gone get out of here we don't need you still in prison now while he's in prison

he's featured in a new york times article what is it what not about what an awful guy he is and a liar and everything else it's called in prison learning magic by mail learning magic new york times this is it yeah the major newspaper it's here so this is ridiculous and all sorts of other publications about the post no no this is the paper of record this isn't the new york post this isn't the daily news this isn't you know uh 2003 is convicted all that they say uh they say quote with no access to Internet, he has gleaned most of his magic knowledge from books, letters from Jay, which is some other magician they're talking about earlier and other magicians and whatever magic he could catch on TV. What fucking magic is on TV? Who gives a shit? And why does he get to learn magic?

Thank you. He says he sculpts his own props out of sponges. Okay. And for string, he pulls thread out of his underwear. During stretches in solitary, where playing, of course, he's in solitary because he's fucking up, where playing cards is forbidden, he found that he could fashion four makeshift cards from his daily milk carton. Wow. So he did. Would you like to see milk carton. Wow. So he did. Would you like to see milk carton cards?

Oh, boy. Holy shit. That's what they look like. And it's forbidden to play them. If you have no cards. Yet he can make his own. Also. Look, there's cows on them and there's nutritional values and shit.

There's 52 cards, right? Yeah. So it would take him. How long is that? So fucking long. Not that for prison. 13 days. That's not long in fucking long. Not that for prison? 13 days? That's not long in prison.

No. Fuck for prison. You wouldn't even notice that shit. Every day you get four new cards. Yeah. So he makes those stupid looking cards. And in addition to that, they quote him rather thoroughly here. So let's give him a from prison.

That's where, this is like a letter from camp. The original, the original in their own words, let's give them an, in their own words, in their own words, quote, everybody wants to feel like they matter. And in prison,

most of us don't know. Yeah. I can practice and make my mind go someplace else. I can get taken away for a minute. You make them for a few seconds and you believe you're doing the, or you make them for a few seconds, believe that you're doing the impossible. And for me, for a magician, you see that look on their face.

I can't equate it to anything else. I hate him. That's it. I hate him so much. I can't equate it to anything else. Oh, my God. Fucking idiot. In prison, you are taken away, sir.

Forever. So I found on these message boards. This is from like 2004 when all this was going on. Gerald posted on this message board, Sreebrant. And he posted to, I believe this is one of Brian's kids that was posting about this. And he says, let's see. Okay. Oh, no, that's to Gerald. And and then gerald yeah it's the son and then somebody calls talks to gerald and gerald talks back okay and they're going like back and forth um there basically i think this is oh this is uh ralphiel's son is on here saying

that basically uh ralphiel's innocent r ralphie l's innocent my dad's innocent erald's a rat and a piece of garbage not even not even he says okay gerald i talked to you on the uh recently on your cell phone i only called to see if it was you and it was you may not remember seeing as i didn't reveal my name over the phone uh i'll leave his name out i'm sure you remember me i'd like to clear the air a little uh he says i'm rafael tory's son i'm 18 i live in north bend oregon this is years and years ago sure um basically gerald was essentially my mentor at one uh point in time i wanted to be exactly like him i thought he was a great guy he was funny and spontaneous he was always making people laugh my father taught him brazilian jiu-jitsu they trained together particularly often but as you know my father and stepmother both of whom i love dearly split up

i believe that was in 2001 possibly 2002 i moved in with my father and angel richards that's angelina yeah um the uh the home life is of no importance again i wanted to be exactly like gerald when i was a child what i'm getting at is children are more often than not gullible i know now that mr schreber is a liar i have yet to understand exactly how my father the accused was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole here are my reasons for thinking my father is innocent oh boy catalog them out sir first of all brian was found in the back of his ford pickup truck in the albertsons parking lot uh some three days after the death is supposed to have occurred there was no post-mortem stress to the back of his Ford pickup truck in the Albertsons parking lot some three days after the death is supposed to have occurred. There was no postmortem stress to the back of his head.

Where I'm going with this one is that when a man is lifting another heavier man into the back of a pickup, he was bound to land on the back of his head or face. to land uh he was bound to land on the back of his head or face if you retort if your retort consists of anything along the lines of perhaps he lifted him from under his arms there's no post-mortem stress there either second of all the alibi was tossed randy jones essentially called a liar on the stand when she stated that she had come home earlier that day to spend the holidays with us uh i was never called to the stand seeing as I was underage and my uncle wouldn't fly down there with me, so I was never asked to. So the infamous blood sample that was never used in the case.

A blood sample was found in the truck of Brian Richards and it belonged to neither Raphael or Brian. Would you think that it would be, would you think that would be an awesome piece of evidence for the case, wouldn't you? You know, Gerald, Randy lives in Coos Bay and Brandon and I live in North Bend. We all left California because of the lies you told on the stand. We were all driven out of the area because of all the things you spread about my father.

I hope you sleep well at night with your little settlement reward that you how damn well don't deserve because he got a reward for turning him in. That makes sense. Does your wife know that you, uh, how damn well don't deserve. Oh, cause he got a reward for turning him in. That makes sense. Does your wife know that you're a liar? Does she know that you said these things to acquire money that started your school in Eugene?

I wonder these things at night when I'm thinking, uh, of the entire case. Oh my, oh boy, everybody. I'd like you to know. I'd like you all to know that I'm have nothing against Brian Richards family.

If anything, I'm trying to help them more so than anybody has so far. If they want me to, if they want to be content with their son's death, they shouldn't, they shouldn't, they should at the very least know that the right man is in prison. They're surrounded in their fake world or false pretenses and warp lies and

heard somebody they'd never met before. And that's no way to live. You know, I mean, I can see his side of the story he's a son i mean this is gonna obviously so gerald writes back to him he writes back to him he said i want to tell you how sorry you are for what i am for what you went through sorry you are okay i always thought you were i always thought you were so cool you are a good person i only hope good things for you I don't know what to say to you. Your dad asked me to kill Brian. It's not even disputable.

I heard the words as they came out of his mouth, and I know I have good hearing. He told me how when he was choking Brian, he felt his throat crack and break. He told me Brian had blood coming out of his mouth. Do you know what that was? Yeah. Do you know what that was? That was Brian's hyoid bone that was protecting the front of his mouth. Do you know what that was? Yeah, do you know what that was? That was Brian's hyoid bone that was protecting the front of his neck.

That's the most common things to find on a person who's been choked to death. Your father told me that he felt it break as he was choking to death. That's something that was never released by anyone, and only the killer could have known. Your father also gave me a gun. Gave me a gun he took from under the seat

in Brian's truck. It was a Chevy, not a Ford, and it was a Glock 45 that his family could never find after his death. He asked me to lie and say he was with me that night. Why would he do that? Why would he ask me to call him at pay phones and come down to L.A. to meet with me? Why would he check to make sure that I wasn't wired? He said, innocent people don't do all these things.

Innocent people don't brag about the things they plan to do with the dead man's insurance money. I could go on all day about the things your dad told me about the murder. How much time do you have? Your dad told me he was freaked out because Brian bled on his judo mats and he scrubbed them down with bleach,

but he still wanted to sell them just in case the police ever got a hold of them. He asked me to promise him never to let you know what he did he loved you so much and he didn't want you to ever think any less of him he wanted me to tell you that he loved you more than anything and that he was a good man i'm sorry for what you've gone through i really hope the best for you you were a great kid and now that you're a young man i'm sure you're uh you have a whole new chapter of your life i hope you're still the same funny athletic intelligent person that you were when i knew you okay so wow he flipped that around yeah um yeah he didn't take any offense either which is what somebody that's uh yeah guilty would do yeah he's

like listen listen i know what you're going through kid yeah yeah then he goes on to talk a little bit more and he said it just you know explains it a little bit more so gerald seems like what kind of guy is he he's my kind of guy there you go yeah he's a good dude january got a heart it seems like it january 29th 2014 uh gerald is in a bit of a uh a bit of a fender bender here uh he's got a uh he's driving a new and unlicensed gmc denali why what why would you have a denali that's brand new and unlicensed in 2014 yeah that's a 80 000 it's a very expensive car better license and ensure the shit out of that i would say he gets in a in a car accident with a nissan rogue okay which is a complete shitbox trash that piece of shit trash car so uh yeah this happens here um

he's had some problems driving by the way gerald's not a great driver apparently car like that i don't know he cost uh 500 let's see uh between january of january of uh this year what is this 2014 streep it was convicted twice in lane county of speeding violations and once of following another vehicle too closely he also names as one of the uh also named as one of the defendants in a 47 000 suit filed by uh oh filed oh filed by this one guy saying that strebent robbed him at gunpoint oh my god as part of a business related dispute uh strebber denied the allegations but lost in court so he pointed a gun at somebody now back to the road confrontation streber calls 9-1-1 as there's a confrontation between the two of them in the road okay uh he calls 9-1-1 this is the this is the 9-1-1

call quote i've got my firearm out oh boy that's where he starts his first sentence that's it how you doing got my firearm out he hit me on. That's where he starts. That's his first sentence. That's it. How you doing? Got my firearm out. He hit me on purpose with his vehicle, crashed into my brand new truck, and now he's over by my truck and I'm backing away from him. The operator instructs him to get back in his vehicle and lock the door. He says that the other man is already at his vehicle, so he can't get to it. He said, then you hear him say, get back for me.

And then he says, ma'am, I can't see his hands. He's dark. What? get back for me and then uh he says ma'am i can't see his hands he's dark what what hold on does he mean it's dark yeah i hope that's a i can't see his hands he's dark you don't say that no i hope not anyway jesus christ the dispatcher tries to calm calm him down he drops the call and then uh the call drops and then he calls back yeah and he says the first thing he says now is quote send an ambulance right now oh no he shot him started uh during the gap in the recording he fired a single shot that hit this david crowfoot in the head and killed him wow yes he explains to the operator that he shot the man that he called him several times to stop

approaching and that he couldn't see his hands. He tells the operator that Crowfoot got close enough to touch his rifle. Now, forensic investigators later find Crowfoot's DNA on the rifle. So that could be true, or he could have touched it to his hand. He has a rifle. We don't know. Either way, yeah, it's a rifle and a hand. It's a rifle. They're different.

You could have hit him with a rifle. It would have been more reasonable. Just beat him with it. Otherwise, he was completely unarmed, this other guy. He claims self-defense. Gerald does. His attorney says that Strebent reached into his vehicle, retrieved his loaded.223 caliber semi-automatic rifle. And they are.

Yeah, exactly. Because he said that Crawford verbally threatened his life. Wow. Carrying a loaded rifle is fine in Oregon in your vehicle. The other guy was unarmed.armed is unarmed sorry and you know how to fight you're a fucking mma fighter what are you talking about he carries an ar ridiculous man fucking ridiculous following the shooting uh they cuffed him took him into custody but they later released him that night um so there's all this going on now crowfoot at a blood alcohol level

of 0.15 too drunk drunk as shit to be driving yeah that was the deal um but streber ends up being arrested and charged with murder in 2000 and may march 6th after a grand jury indictment here um so yeah streber's attorney says quote it remains our position that when an angry and hostile stranger acting aggressively to you tells you that he has a weapon and threatens to kill you, you're entitled to take him at his word. No armchair quarterbacking by the government changes that fact. If a police officer had been put in the same situation as Gerald, the aggressor would have been dead minutes earlier and the shooting would have been found justified within days.

Wow. But you're also not a police officer. That's the difference. You're a jerk-off MMA fighter. Jerk-off MMA fighter who used to be, you're a fucking sniper in the military. That's the other thing, yeah. He's a dangerous man.

And also his ex-wife says that he tells, she tells investigators that he's been involved in road rage incidents, quote, all the time. She said he would brake check other drivers at once and tried to run over other drivers off the road yeah that's a thing that happened um six days before the shooting he posted this on facebook gerald did quote if you like to drive slow guess what you should be in the slow lane if you want to drive greater than the speed limit guess what you should be in my

lane if you get this confused somehow then guess what i will strike hard and fast like a cobra should the opportunity present itself what jesus christ this guy is 100 in q anon right now i would bet a million fucking dollars i'm unbelievably annoyed when people do the speed limit or less in the fast lane yes but get over strike hard and fast yeah calm down relax jesus cobra kai relax chief sweep the leg johnny fuck that's what he's all about get him a body bag so finally may 21st 2015 the murder charge is dismissed yeah and he ends up pleading guilty to criminally negligent homicide uh due to the police establishing quote some mitigating evidence so little of this little of that uh he uh the judge says you sir hey fuck off yeah four years and 10 months that's it that's it so it's negligent whatever so i mean he's in jail yeah and um you know criminally responsible

so his family can sue him ralphie l's in jail forever i mean this is he's only in jail for a minute this guy ralphie l's in jail for what's happened, he's only in jail for a minute, this guy. Ralphie L's in jail for... What's happened with Angelina? She's going, too. They're all going. All right. And then you got Ralphie L here. I mean, him, he's...

Think about this. He got nothing out of this. He didn't get to go to... He didn't get to spend $50,000. He didn't... He got nothing except prison. He didn't get sandals. He didn't get a new MMA thing.

He didn't get a Denali. No. He got nothing. No sandals, nothing. You kind of almost feel bad not really but almost yeah not nearly though as bad as i feel for ralph bartell there you go independent food and beverages professional in richmond illinois i thought you found a bunch of people named ralphie l i did no not ralphie l that's a tough one. Ralph Bartel, Cabinet Shop Supervisor at Manti Woodcraft in Alberta, it looks like.

Yeah. Ralph Bartel, Director of Sport and Recreation at Toronto Pan Am Sports Center. So he's involved in sports there. And finally, oh, that's sorry. He's Raphael Torrey. I'm sorry. Raphael Torrey, Director of Sport and Recreation. He kind of looks like him, too.

Poor bastard. Very close to him and then ralph bartell credit manager at tk in in ontario okay i don't know what that is so uh strebrant uh told a reporter this it's basic math it's insurance i don't have to run the risk of a jury getting it wrong that's why he took the deal the deal would only have him in jail 17 months longer than he would have spent waiting in custody for a trial he's like fuck it i'll just take the deal uh criminal defense attorney here said quote when you go go before a jury homicide is an all or nothing proposition yeah in difficult cases sometimes it's a better bet for the defendant to take a compromise deal if that means he doesn't have to risk spending the rest of his life in jail that's the thing that everybody doesn't understand they just think that like because it's legal to carry a gun and you're like that's my second amendment right and all that shit that means

that if someone if you feel threatened you're just allowed to shoot people that's not how you're not you can't shoot people that's you'll even if it's all just you're still going to get arrested and you're still going to go to jail right and then you're also going to have to go through the process and you might end up going you might end up being put on trial they might not believe you what i'm saying is the other way is a better direction you don't want to have to get out of here with the only way you have to use it is if you're being fired upon that's generally thank you that's generally the way you're going to get out of it easy that would be outside of that if you got a poll first that's horrifying it's a you don't have to and you're gonna go to jail yeah you don't every time you're gonna you're gonna um his attorney says that uh that yes that strebrant has a reputation

as a brawler and he's had some problems legally uh he says but you know it's it's uh he says about this whole thing and what he's seen other people lose self-defense claims. He says this to the attorney. Seeing what happened to Gerald has really made me think twice about carrying my gun. Sure. Like, yeah, you know, I'm going to end up in prison with this thing. Yeah. So Gerald gets out in 2017 there.

He and his attorney and co-counsel went on to write a book about Strebrand. His attorney did called the finishing machine that's the name of the book uh now he's out of jail for a little while and then he has a little more trouble oh gerald he's not your kind of guy jimmy what'd he do let's see here he's a trainer at 10th planet jujitsu in eugene oregon i think it's his place and um he has we'll just say this a 14 year old victim he's helping children learn well he's helping children learn other things besides jujitsu very close to each other um yes he is arrested for sexually abusing a 14 year old girl that he was in charge of teaching

um yes so uh march 2019 is his molestation trial which for some reason here i wrote molestation trail instead of trial the old dusty molestation trail there it gets a trail can end with one victim we're going on down the old dusty molestation trail. Oh, oh, slow down, horse. My butthole's very sore. Slow down. It's the molestation trail. Now, he's being accused of sexually abusing a second individual as well. It's not just one.

Someone else comes forward and said they were 15 years old when he abused them. This was in the past, so this is... It's a pattern. It's a pattern. His sentencing here here he ends up being convicted after a week-long trial now his sentencing is delayed after two jurors wrote letters to the court expressing their uh concerns over the jury's 10 to 2 verdict because it was 10 to 2 yeah and uh said that one of the jurors disclosed that a past experience caused her to

believe victims in cases that's what it said so they were trying to get a bias thing yeah well so what exactly so based on that he said holy shit he said i get a new trial and the judge said no you fucking don't actually fuck you but she was molested that's not fair that's all what the you, sir, may fuck off two years and four months. That's it. He's getting no time for this. Two? Two years and four months. Good Lord.

So Raphael currently is in the, right now it says he's in the substance abuse treatment facility at the state prison at Corcoran. So he must be into some drugs wow to be there and uh can't get enough i'll pretend you're a black belt yeah or i guess there's this uh indiegogo for some i don't know if it ever came out but it's called fighting in plain sight it's a tale tale of deception and murder in the early days of mma it's this story okay so uh probably not as funny though no i'm gonna say it might be well done very few rolling stone songs very much less than we have here so that is rafael tory what a story and a fucking mess oh my god absolute mess angelina went to prison too though i believe so yeah she did too

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Next week, we've got Rod Strickland. Terrific. Back to some basketball, some fame here. And by the way, just if you're still listening, anybody going to get a little stinger, the Scummies are coming up in a month.

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