Crime in Sports - #247 - More Victims Than A Small Country - The Crookedness of Scott Tucker

Episode Date: February 23, 2021

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No. I never heard of him. Even racing fans. He's a race car driver. You've probably never heard of him. But the fucked up part is, he is maybe our most prolific criminal yet. Almost 250 episodes of small town murder. We've never had someone that ends up

in this particular situation that he does he's the worst he might he his crimes affected the most amount of people of all the other crime and sports put together oh put together great he's i mean not great he might be the biggest uh non-child molesting scumbag that we have believable so let's do it here i think he is actually and he gives a couple of them a run for their money if i'm being honest with you i mean it's hard to do when i tell you about you're gonna go oh my god yeah that's i mean it's fucking all right tomato tomato here born uh may 5th 1962 he grows up in kansas city missouri all right big deal right kansas city um is a weird town by the way very straight missouri or kansas missouri yeah either way kansas city's an odd

town nice people but a very visually it's an odd town it's a strange town to look at because you're like is this the part where there's nothing here but then there's stuff here it's very bizarre to have pockets of empty in the middle of a weird it's a strange city there's a nice area and then a shitty area on the other side of a bridge very much like san francisco and oakland yeah yeah it's very weird to have that uh and be in the fucking center of the country it's a strange place it's a very weird area great people there they were cool as fuck those people and love those people in kansas city so uh he went to rockhurst high School, apparently a local Kansas City high school. He studies business administration, going to school at Kansas State University.

Okay. Okay. He's married. He's married to a woman named Kim. They have two daughters together. And yeah, so that's about most of his legitimacy right there. We've just talked about it. He went to school and he had a child.

That's probably his sperm made. Outside of that, it's all bullshit and smoke and mirrors. So growing up there, he graduated from, like we said, Rockhurst High School. He only went to school for two years at Kansas State studying business administration. He also had some problems legally. We'll say here in April of 1988, he was 26 years old. He borrowed $50,000 from the American Bank of Kansas City, offering a new Porsche as collateral. Oh, he's got a new Porsche.

Doing pretty well for himself. Cars are his thing. He's taking out a title loan from the bank. I apparently as offer i don't know he had a new porsche that he apparently had paid off that's wow good for you what do you need 50 grand for you should have bought the whatever you needed for 50 grand instead of a porsche stupid you're either doing great or you're looking for money you're a dummy you're fucking up you're doing it backwards yeah you should buy a shitty car and whatever you need

that 50 grand for uh he lied on the application uh he had actually sold the car months earlier never had the car to offer his collateral okay so it's a lie on the application which is a crime yeah obviously a year later he wrote a bad check for 1200 to a moving company hired to transfer two loads of used furniture for a business okay so he writes a bad check there um you know uh in the meantime while he's doing that he also participates in a bogus loan scheme to bilk money out of businesses so already he's crooked as shit he's crooked as fuck yeah anyway any loophole where he finds a way where he can make a couple of bucks

in a crooked man right from writing a bad check to the moving company yeah he's the type of guy who does like the george costanza thing where he sends the check but forgets to sign it like he's one of those guys oh i'm sorry that'll buy me an extra two days one of those guys you know genius genius so he uh he's participating in that he's's a partner in an Oregon-ran newspaper and magazine ads, I guess. He's got this business that does that. Ken Tucker? Scott Tucker. Scott Tucker.

Okay. Ads throughout. They offer commercial loans. And Scott posed as the president of what he it's not a high powered bank, but he poses like it's a high powered bank in Overland Park, Kansas. They're called. Listen to the fucking name of this. Jimmy shows that he chose for this. Chase Morgan, Stearns and Lloyd. Oh, my God.

What does that sound like? Jimmy sounds a lot like a very high profile bank sounds a lot like jp morgan chase right fucking said that stearns is in a bit that's all in there right these are all bank names that he just crammed into one fucking thing and he's like see i thought you were gonna say it was called a very high powered bank it's a very important high powered bank very legitimate high powered bank that's what it's called so he picked chase morgan sterns and lloyd yeah chase morgan sir which are like i said all bank names like it's like lloyds of london he picked that like all these different insurance and crammed all these legitimate company names

in at one so you'll hear all those and go all right those all all of those words mean legitimate to you right you know what i mean right that's literally psychologically what he's trying to do which what a fucking asshole so um he's posing as the president of this whole deal operation is a fraud though yeah whole thing's a fraud he um he collects more than 100 000 in advance fees from at least 15 borrowers and never provides any loans wow so he just takes the money for the fee and then just says later gotta run doesn't give you shit unbelievable so that's pretty hilarious but he made a hundred thousand dollars not hilarious to the people who does it too obviously but it's not even like a you know a little flim flam where you don't get quite what you want you just get nothing you just give him money and then he doesn't do the thing that he's contracted to do straight stealing it's not even

a scam it's just thievery right it's just i stole it's just give me this and i'll give you that yeah you gave me this now i run now i don't give you shit ha ha ha ha nah crawfish got fucked in the ass yeah as they would say That's crawfish right there. We looked it up. He drilled the devil right in the ass. Right in the ass. Full disclosure, we looked that up earlier. I was like, why do they call it crawfish?

Yeah, because we were just doing tombstone lines here because that's what we do. Because they said crawfish twice in that movie with zero explanation. That means something. They gave us nothing. What do you want? What do you want? An urban dictionary chyron on the bottom of the screen to come up by the way in the 1800s crawfish pause and let val come up and go well to be honest with you you want like pop-up video here out of

this little pop-up tombstone a little narration would do i would love to watch tombstone with little and little pop pause the movie with the little little talking head telling us what's happening not even talking about just a little like pop-up video crop is means and for those of you that are uh thinking are you going to tell us what it means or do i have to google this no you google it you can fucking google it like we did because we googled it like assholes it's a pain in the ass to find unless you go to Urban Dictionary. It really is. So he's been a criminal.

This is no sports yet, by the way. No. He has not. Just a crawfish and criminal. Crawfish and criminal. Did you hear anything about athletics? Nothing. Did you hear he was an All-American?

No. He played on the team. It's all bank swindling. This is not an intro that we ever have for any of our athletes. It's always he played here. He started sports at this time. And, you know, he's either good at 12 or 17. That's different.

But otherwise, at some point, there's sports. No. Nope. He's an adult and a piece of shit at that. He's just an adult committing white-collar crimes. An adult with two years of college committing white-collar crimes. What a dick. Yeah, which is two years more than me so i'm not talking shit don't get me wrong so uh yeah in 1991 he ends up being convicted of three felonies out of this which seems like a lot it's

uh mail fraud and also making false statements to a bank and one of the charges stemmed from uh the company the chase morgan Stearns and Lloyd. Sure. Where he that charged businesses the advanced fee for loans that were never delivered. That sounds so official. Sounds very official. He is sentenced to you, sir. May fuck off one year at Leavenworth Federal Prison.

I mean, it's a bad place to be. Not a good place to be. One of the worst in the country. A year year is he got lucky a year a year but leavenworth is yeah that's not fun it's a tough yeah i found the newspaper article for this too it's great because they go in a little more detail and it's the title is posing as a broker he collected thousands in advanced fees uh he they call him uh here he is 28 year old scott he's 28 while he's doing this he's already 28 almost 30 they'd be well well past grace in any other episode scott allen tucker operated under the name chase morgan stearns and lloyd uh he told u.s district

judge that he placed advertisements in the new york times so he tried to really make it legit if you see an ad in the new york times and hear all those names yeah that sounds legit sure uh he said uh uh and represented that the company was owned by Chase Manhattan Bank which was Chase at the time uh Lloyd's of London and JP Morgan that was what he was trying to put across how did the Times wasn't JP Morgan Stearns right back then yeah so he just knew all those things I knew it was Lloyds of London is what he was trying to do. How did he do that? With the Times. It's so ridiculous.

Do they need advertisements that bad if they just don't sniff it out? Newspapers run on ads, but I mean, I guess they don't vet the ads. I guess you don't vet it. If you have enough money to put an ad in the New York Times, it must be legit. But when you get a personal check from a guy in payment of the ad for Morgan, Stern, Stanley, J.P., Wells Fargo. He's got a check with ice cream cones on it and it says Scott Tucker on the top. And you're like, hold on a second.

From First National. Yeah, this isn't. Don't you fucking think? This isn't that. God damn it. Don't you think that all those banks together could finance their own fucking advertisement? You can imagine, right? They don't have to come together all those banks together could finance their own fucking advertising right they don't have to come together to have a program to take care of it scott's gonna

do it scott'll cover the fee on this ad they forgot to give scott the the checkbook to cover it for the so he's got to take out of his own we'll reimburse him he gets reimbursed and we're good for it when he says can i get a receipt i need to they're gonna read i gotta that's how they reimburse me i gotta bring it back to stearns oh shit he's gonna old man stearns is gonna be pissed wait do you see that that lloyd guy is a real dick he's pissed and his his accent's so thick i can barely understand him he's like very he's like cockney london it's a very pissed off british guy is not a guy you want to answer not good he's angry give me the receipt please please i need to have this documented fucking unbelievable so he did most of his business by telephone and he told uh the judge that he exaggerated quote exaggerated his contacts

with those financial institutions so exaggerated meaning he said he had any contacts at all. That's exaggerated. There's a difference between exaggerating and fucking inventing. And just lying. You're just lying at that point. It's not exaggerating anything. There is no relationship to exaggerate. Here's exaggerating. I'm a really great basketball player. I'm great.

I'm amazing. Here's a lie. I played in the NBA for three years. Those are two. That's exaggeration and a lie. Right? Those are very different things. Very different things.

My peach tree grows enormous peaches. I can make a pie with one peach. With one peach. That's exaggeration. I can also make a telephone call with that peach. It gets With one peach. That's exaggeration. I can also make a telephone call with that peach. It gets Wi-Fi. There's the lie.

That's a lie. Because you could make a tiny pie. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a whole pie. I doubt it'll get Wi-Fi is my point. So, yeah. It's a fucking lie.

Unbelievable. If I'm the judge, I'd be hearing that. I'd be going, I'd hear this whole thing and I'd go, let's back be hearing that. I'd be going right here. This whole thing. And I go, let's back up to exaggerated. I'd like you to switch that to lie, please. I want to hear you say that because that's more. Yeah, you did more. That's more accurate.

He said that he had contact. He had a contact to claim to have ties with those institutions. That's what he told the judge. Like, well, I thought I really was hooked up with those people. Because I know a guy that lied to me i know a guy who lied to me about being in tight with three different completely enormous banks completely disparate businesses who he told me we're a conglomerate we're a conglomerate making a monopoly around the world you know how it is lights of london a bank or is it strictly insurance i don't know i know they do like the high dollar insurance

things like the wrestlers all had million dollar lloyds of london policies and like all of like the pr shit like you know somebody getting their legs insured for a 10 million dollars that's through lloyds of london it could be a bank that like is self-insured too so big with insurance that they just we've kept much gold in our coffers for years banks and insurance companies are the same thing they are just a giant ponzi scheme holding they're all bullshit yeah they're holding your money that we have to use all of them it's true we do dumb it's just a ponzi scheme yeah you put five grand in the bank in a savings account they're gonna loan that shit out and charge somebody else interest.

And that interest is for them. They'll put the five grand back in your account. And you get a drop of that, but not much. You get a tiny cut. It's all bullshit. No, it's all, I mean, it's the same thing if you were selling drugs. It would be the same principle. Robin Peter, PayPal.

You get this, you get a piece, and then you go, yeah. Fucking Ponzi. It's all that. You front me this shit, and then I'll sell it to them, and then then i'll get the money back and i'll give you a piece on the interest over what you paid and because you lent it to me and i yeah it's dumb it's all points and vig bastards fucking scumbags so he god that's so he claimed to have ties unbelievable i know lloyd right I know Lloyd personally. Fucking jackass. So he then also said that he spent about $15,000 he received in advance fees. The assistant U.S. attorney here, Matt Whitworth, said the government estimated the total collected by Tucker was $575,000.

That's a lot. That's a shitload of money. My word. That's a fuckload,000. That's a lot. That's a shitload of money. My word. That's a fuckload, man. Tucker also pleads guilty to making a false statement in April of 1988 to American Bank of Kansas City to obtain the $50,000 loan that he put his car up for. It was an 87 Porsche that he sold three months earlier, but he gave the bank a duplicate title for the car. Asshole. He just had a copy

and was like, here you go. Somebody else's car. All yours, chief. So, yeah, one year in Leavenworth for all this, which I mean,

it's not an easy, it's not an easy bid to do. No, you would think like a guy like this who's like, you know, he's not a tough guy or anything. He's not, doesn't have, he's not a tough guy or anything.

He's not doesn't have he's a pussy. So you figure I'm going to send him to prison for a year and he's going to break him and he's going to come out, you know, selling insurance over the phone legitimately and just shutting the fuck up and, you know, getting a wife that he can't stand and having a couple kids in a mediocre car and he can go on with his life because it's bullshit. Well, the bullshit thought that he's going to work up the ladder that ends up being two rungs there you go and then you're done with assistant manager so he gets out of prison june 8th 1992 okay so fresh start yeah guy doesn't want to be in prison here uh he ends up going into the short-term lending business. By the way, short-term loans have a different name called payday loans. Yeah. And if you're not from the U.S., I don't know if they do this in other countries. I assume it's outlawed.

I assume it's sure in the fuck should be straight loan. Sharking is outlawed in other countries, civilized countries. Anyway, this is exactly what guys did on the street and went to fucking jail for exactly except these are worse they're worse because the guy in the street can't take your fucking house right he can break your legs but he can't ruin your credit and you know fuck your so you can't put your kids through college they should be illegal because it takes people that are obviously unable to pay bills yes and makes it worse it makes it much worse well it's not even that it's it's also that they say oh you're having this it's a high interest type of thing but then

there's hidden shit that they're scamming you on so that's the that's it's one thing to present someone with a terrible deal and they go i'll take that terrible deal well i mean there's certain there's a limit to that where we should be where we have to protect people who don't know any better but this isn't even that this is here's the deal that's a shitty deal but i guess i'll take it then you're like haha it's not even as shitty as you think it's way worse way worse way worse you don't even know about that so bad what it is is is we're gonna give you 50 you're gonna pay us back 75 and then you're gonna reach your hand into this back at basket and then you reach your hand in there you're like this is full of snakes. It's full of

snakes. Oh my God. Look at that. Three of them just bit me. Well I mean there was the thing that I promised. It's in there also. I mean it is full of snakes too but I gave you the money. I didn't say it wasn't going to be full of snakes. Now go use that money for the doctor bill that you need. I didn't say put your

hand into this wonderfully snake free basket did I? No. I said put your hand in there. I just said put it in and you did. And you't say put your hand into this wonderfully snake-free basket, did I? No. I said put your hand in there. I just said put it in, and you did. And you did it. So in 1997, he meets a guy here,

a Philadelphia businessman named Charles Hallahan, or Hallanan. Now, he offered, this is what Hallanan says, Hallanan will eventually, what this is from is from a future lawsuit against tucker

yeah so uh tells you how that relationship is going to work out in the end i'm a sour smidge yeah now halinan was already in the payday loan business we should explain quickly and i'll we'll explain the whole thing but just to quickly because i have like a detailed thing of it here but quickly a payday loan if you're not from this country. It is like a loan shark loan, but it's a short-term loan. So payday meaning like I'll get this loan and then I'll pay it back on payday. That's the general thing. Which is next Thursday. I need this money before I get my paycheck.

So whatever. So right away, that denotes and tells right away you're living paycheck to paycheck, which most people are. Less than. Less than, yeah. This paycheck doesn't even cover me till next paycheck that's the thing yeah something came up or whatever so you get this loan based on what and the interest rate is absolutely ridiculous and it's and they're always very short terms like three weeks is a long-term thing it's all these short-term things and even in that

couple weeks it's like an enormous interest rate and then if you're a day late it's like there's a late fee and then more and then more interest and you'll end up paying back 10 times what you borrowed right for it's ridiculous so uh this guy here uh they're in the payday loan business this guy kind of taught scott tucker how the payday business works how this whole thing works uh he viewed tucker as a protege and decided to bankroll him in a payday lending company basically like okay you do it i'll be the money guy and we'll see how you how you run so uh he does makes tucker president of the company and lets him run it from overland park in Kansas. Now, Tucker agreed in writing not to open any competing businesses at the time.

Because, I mean, if he could be – this guy owns 50%. So he could be working with him where he knows what to do. Then he opens his own and fucks this business over, and this guy can – Undercuts this business. Exactly. You know the rates and everything. Yeah, exactly. And this guy can go fuck himself.

So in writing, not to open any competing businesses. Interesting. So this is September 19th, 1997. Hallahan agrees to loan Tucker $500,000. Okay. It's a lump sum. That's a lot. That's not 50.

That's a lot. Right. That's 500. That's half a fucking million dollars. That's a lot of money. So Tucker signed the revolving loan note a month later tucker filed for chapter seven bankrupt you just had 500 grand you just gave you half a million dollars how you were fucking bankrupt at this point in the bankruptcy records he did not disclose

his new business as president of a payday lending company he did however list his total debt at more than 583 thousand dollars including more than 220 000 owed to the irs oh which is not people you want you'd rather owe fucking american express they'll come after you with hitmen but again they won't take all your shit and put you in jail i'd rather be i'd rather have my legs broken than be put in jail that's what i mean when you get out of jail you're gonna have the worst credit possible because it's your life is fucking irs you're better off with a loan shark and you really are yeah a loan shark will hurt you but unless you owe and even then they're not gonna kill you no they want their money they want their money and they can just have you trying to get the money eventually forever so whether you're limping

through it or not they don't care but. But yeah, they want their money. These people, they'll take your shit. They'll die. Who knows? So this is a lot. You go to jail. If you've all the IRS, you don't want to fucking know them. No.

So the court cleared Tucker of his debts. All right. Through bankruptcy. Wiped them all away. Wiped it all away. Now, Tucker had promised Hallinan he would not open any competing businesses, but in 2001, he does. Yes, he does. Of course.

He opens, he calls it CLK Management. Now, and he lists himself as the owner. Of course. All of his companies are Mercedes brand titles. Stop that. CLK. Models. Later on, he has AMGg services he's got all mercedes

they're mercedes yeah i saw amg services i'm like amg like the cars okay and then i saw clk management i'm like isn't there a clk mercedes i'm pretty sure i've seen that like in front of me in a you know scottsdale or something like the thing i'm like there's a yeah and i looked it up i'm like he just writes fucking mercedes names what a douche so uh he's the owner of clk management and uh after this he starts setting up dummy companies okay this is he learned from somebody yeah um i wouldn't be surprised if he learned from somebody in leavenworth probably uh how to do shit like this like what to do how not to get caught yeah probably found some other white collar guys and they're like what did you do oh dude that's not how you do it shadow company yeah startup dummy company stupid so like car models because another can never track that i don't know it's clk it sounds like people's initials but what

it really is is a car is a car it's not scott tucker though they won't come after you maybe they'll go after mercedes they can look for mr clk mr c i'm looking for clk uh he sets up dummy companies in carson city nevada which should have set it off right there no one's moving to no one's doing anything in carson city nevada what is it 1812 yeah carson city where are we i mean yeah and no one's gone to carson city in a while even in reno 911 it's like it's like Carson City is like, you know. That's how they do that down in Carson City. It's out there.

Yeah, I know it's the capital of the state, but I think they made that decision well before they realized how these things were going to develop out. It's because the rest of the state was all the blast zone. That's what it was. Yeah, like right here,'s no no radiation at the moment at the very moment and also i guess reno and vegas are just pure trashy dirt and laughlin where else is there only four cities there right we know law laughlin is the worst city in america

it is yeah laughlin is like atlantic city with hepatitis that's the best way to describe it it's atlantic city floated down a river on a tube a dirty mud river on a tube and picked up hepatitis got out got on its harley and went to a 12 a night casino hotel on a boat on a boat with their harley behind them that's what but it's like an old harley not like even a cool one no shit one like a like not an old like an old big giant like an old fart harley that's what but it's like an old harley not like even a cool one it's like a shit one like a like not an old like an old a big giant like an old fart harley that's who these people it's just what what it really is the yamaha i call it it's not even a harley i call it a hardly davidson it's hardly davidson let me tell you something mother that's hilarious the hardly i done chopped the shit out of it to make it resemble a hardly.

And then took all those Yamadog badges off of it. I took that right off of there. Nobody needed to see that. Painted it up. Anybody that doesn't know shit about motorcycles, calls it my Harley. That's Laughlin, though. It's the grossest place. It really is.

And they're like, but you can get a jet ski. Yeah. Great. Terrific. Getting a jet ski on a dirty river great and see this here's a jet ski that i welded to a canoe i call it a canoe it's a canoe ski people think it's polish but it ain't it's just something i made up it's a canoe ski and you can just sit on the jet ski and steer it because it's where the jet is that's cool someone behind you i didn't even modify the jet ski i just welded it into the hole because i need the intake and all that yeah watch out people you

might dump your passengers so you might want to look back every once in a while make sure they ain't drowned there's no propeller so it's safe if anybody's behind you. It won't hurt nobody. It won't hurt none. Just water. That's what we're talking about. That's who goes to Laughlin. Yeah. And I assume Carson City is worse because there's not even water. So maybe there is.

I don't know. Who knows? So he used these companies as mail drops for payday lenders. He called Cash Advance, Preferred Cash Loans, and United Cash Loans. Those are his companies. Either way, it's scummy. for payday lenders he called cash advance preferred cash loans and united cash loans those are his companies either way it's scummy either way bunch of bullshit yeah a bunch of bullshit now so this is in 2001 he also founds uh an online business called amg services yeah he's got clk he's got amg they made payday loans even in states where the high interest, low principal loans were restricted or illegal. They did it anyway.

And how he did it was very interesting. He did it by basically setting up, pretending that he was a tribal company and setting up on Indian reservations because they're not governed by that. So they pretended like they were a tribal company that was doing it outside of u.s law like he's an international sovereign way yeah scumbag but nobody involved is involved with the tribe they made up tribes right they literally just made up tribes and we're like we're the shangawunga tribe and uh yeah we our whole tribe our history really our whole our ancestors is based on lending other tribes yeah large amounts of things and then wanting even larger amounts of things back that's what we're based upon go talk to chief g wagon yeah go

chief e series over here would like to discuss something with you so it's a fucking disaster so this this business generates from just from 2008 to june 2013 oh boy okay just to give you the scope of what we're going to talk about the business generates over 3.5 billion holy with a b yeah dollars illegal billion billion wow 3.5 billion we've never had anybody even close to that no our show we've had people rob you know why don't we know about this 50 bucks or something but three oh he made loans to you want to know how many fucking people he made loans to? This company made loans to? This is why I said it's never affected.

And I'll say, you destroy someone's life if you do something horrible to them. You murder them. You molest them. You do all of this. But no one has had this great of an impact. He made loans to at least 4.5 million americans holy shit he fucking robbed 4.5 million that is more than one percent of the population has been robbed by this man all you have to do think about this take what 200 from each of those people? That's $800 million.

Holy shit. And how many billion? $3.5 billion. And I remember those company names. I remember seeing those things around, too. Imogen and shit like that? No, the cash advance. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Preferred cash loans. Those are all fucking companies. Preferred cash loans. Yeah, that feels like a podcast advertisement. It really does. Hey, preferred cash loans. Hey, Jimmy and James here for preferred cash alone yeah that's everywhere like a podcast advertiser it really does hey preferred cash loans hey jimmy and james here for preferred cash loans see a little behind this month who when who doesn't come up short for months and months among us well tell you what we have for you preferred cash loans or cash advance or united cash loans only seven

thousand percent interest and that's if you pay it back in two weeks you can't go wrong folks that's horrific get you out of hot water and now back to the show and now back to the show fucking hell 4.5 million people he that is a lot it's over one percent of the united states population over one percent wow that's fucked do you know how few he fucked over he fucked over more people than there are trans people in this entire country yeah he fucked over more people than there are think about the groups that there are less than 4.5 million of. He would have had to have robbed more people than the city of Seattle. Way more. Four Seattles.

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I was going to say. Nine times over, basically, he robbed Wyoming. Wow. Nine Wyomings, this man this man fucking robbed at 3.5 billion so he's the ceo of amg services uh it was founded this company to charge undisclosed and inflated fees and use tribal entities in an attempt to uh to violate state laws without being caught he had to panic like the guys in office space when they woke up the next day when he saw how much money was rolling he had to be like where do i put it

what do i do it's working oh god somebody jamming too well it's working too well we gotta hide it i never understand the computer guys by the way doing shit because i get it in this way like when you do it this is why i think people do because in a computer crime there's gonna be a trail yeah there's always a trail you always crime, there's going to be a trail. There's always a trail. You always get caught. There's always a code somewhere. Someone's always going to catch up.

Comes back to you. Get it back to you. Always happens. But when you do it, there's zero chance to get arrested right that minute. Right there. When you make a keystroke that does something illegal, cops don't burst in the door and arrest you. There's no alarm. No.

It's not like if you rob a bank, you could be taken right then. As soon as the there's alarms this is you're safe this is you're just pushing it off till later so you know you're gonna get busted but it's like not right now so psychologically people are okay with that it's fucking weird very weird so this is just an overview this is a bit from bloomberg and we have a lot from this big article in bloomberg about this they really went up this guy's ass with a microscope. Bloomberg.com here. This is about how the whole family is here. They say quote, Scott, the oldest was

the brains. He'd served time in prison for a scam where he pretended to work with J.P. Morgan and Chase. Joel, who's his brother, tall and handsome, was a natural salesman. But when he was 21, he was selling furniture and working at a mini mart so hard up that he got arrested for bouncing a $12 check. Oh, my. That case was dismissed because it's $12.

And he's handsome. I'm sure he paid it. Yeah, he paid the $12. By the mid-90s, Scott opens up his payday loan company and gave his brother's jobs. Now, he's dragging his brothers into this, too. Lending money to people who don't have any is a lot. It's a lot. You make a lot of money, basically.

Scott pioneered what he thought was a clever legal loophole that would give him access to the market. He created websites that were owned on paper by an American Indian tribe, which could claim sovereign immunity from regulators, trying to say you can't rob people blind. starting in 2004 he registered new trade names for payday lenders including amerilone united cash loans u.s fast cash 500 fast cash one click cash he's good at the names he's fucking good so legit they sound legit and it's just people need money. And that's that's what they works. Court documents will show later on that by 2005, Tucker had actually by that point teamed up with Indian tribes, actually reeled them into this, continuing to run the payday lenders, though, out of Overland Park.

It's just all on paper through the tribe. It's not actually on a fucking reservation. Right. You know, uh clk management was becoming a huge business here at this time by 2006 it took up two floors of an office complex in overland park and eventually employed 400 people oh my god holy shit oh my god that's a big office man 400 people that's enough people where's enough people where they don't know that this is all fraudulent. They don't know.

They have no idea. They're just doing their job. There's like two people who know it's fraudulent. No, this is fucking Jonestown. There's like two people who know what it is, and everyone else is like, we're feeding the poor. Isn't this wonderful? We're doing amazing work. Hopefully, man, we got to get those black people equality.

And he's like, I'm going to fuck your daughter. Right. And your son. And your wife's face. And take all and your son and your wife's face and take all your property and your wife's face i'm gonna start with your wife's face and you know what i've exhausted myself with those i want you how about you yeah he used to go i'll fuck you in the ass if you want oh my that's what he would if you want me to and they'd go that's okay yeah then you go offer's over there if you ever want me to. Offer's on the table.

All right. What? And they'd just look, thanks. I guess you just say thanks. Appreciate it. You're not going to believe it, but Jim has blessed me with the opportunity for him to fuck my ass. He said he's going to.

He said if I wanted him to. If I want it. He'd fuck my ass. I think I want it. You know what? The way he put it makes me kind of want it. I'd fuck me in the ass. I think I want it. You know what? The way he put it makes me kind of want it. I don't know what it is. I didn't.

I don't want it. Yeah. You know, I don't want things in my bottle. I would have never wanted that. I don't want it. But the way he said it made me feel like I should want it. He led me to the cliff. And I've seen those videos on YouTube of those guys in the squirrel suits and they jump and

they can fly. And I feel like if I just let him, it'll feel like I'm flying. I feel like I'm going to fly. I'm going to soar through the air. Like a flying squirrel. Like a flying squirrel with a sore butthole. Flying squirrel with Jim Jones deep inside me. Somebody please draw a flying squirrel

with Jim Jones in his ass on top. It doesn't have to be graphic in his ass. It's just attached to him from the back like a tandem skydive yeah we'll know we'll know what it is except it's a flying squirrel with jim jones behind him just but give jim jones a look like like he's satisfied and the guy on the bottom utterly horrified because he's the one big squirrel eyes inside oh my god it hurts more than i thought yeah big squirrel eyes all right that's it we have some artists out there that draw stuff please draw us that get into that that's what we really want to see so i don't know why but i really do jesus oh boy weird dirt bags what do you want from us that's how we were raised so it eventually employs 400 people uh one of its websites claimed it was making thousands of loans each day which

i mean to get to four and a half million people you kind of have to better you better um the former one former employee worked there at the time swore in a court statement later on that the business was using addresses on tribal land for protection. Because they noticed that. Like, why is our address not our address? And they were like, oh, that protects us from. That's corporate office. Yeah, it's corporate. It protects us from certain overbearing regulations.

And they'd be like, fucking government. Fucking government saying you can't even rob people blind. Fucking ridiculous. Oh, boy. government fucking government saying you can't even rob people blind fucking ridiculous oh boy so uh william james uh said no one was allowed to reveal where the company was actually located that's what on the phone that was one of the things where is your physical location i can't tell you we can't disclose that information it's on here's our corporate address do you know what we do we'd loan money to people that are... Oh, we'd get murdered. Oh, boy. We would be murked tomorrow. People would just...

One by one, they'd take turns as we came out afterwards in the parking lot. They used their payday loan to buy a gun. To murder us all. That's what they did. And then he said that this guy, William James, said, Scott Tucker once said, quote, they don't touch us on Indian reservations. We're golden.

Yeah, we're gold. We're like a casino on there. Now, 2006. Have you noticed there's no sports yet? Nothing. We're doing like it's a crime in in business. Yeah. No, it's 2006 where he decides I have so much fucking money.

Yeah, because he's making money hand over fist he's just robbing people so he's like i gotta i'm gonna do something for me oh boy i'm gonna do something fun yeah i'm gonna do something i want to do i'm gonna be a race car driver i've got a dream what kind of a 12 year old yeah makes tons of money he goes i'm gonna be to be a race car driver. What? Yeah. Why? It's a job and a hobby. Yeah. Dare I say,

that will cost you fuck tons of money. It's a hobby for 99% of the people who do it. It's like stand-up comedy. Few people make money and a bunch of people dump hundreds of thousands of dollars a year into some fucking car that gets them nothing. Right.

That's how it usually works. I'm not saying NASCARar i'm saying all those other races if you're david letterman it's millions yeah i i know how like race teams how much they cost for like a drag racing team because rod used to have one and he said it was fucking obscene yeah you're just constantly dumping money into these parts and all this shit you don't make anything from it it's not like it's a profitable business it's not like oh i won that race it's a five million dollar prize no there's 300 people up there you're not you know i don't even know if it's on espn anymore it used to be and i used to love it i would watch it but after wrestling and then you're constantly it's like having a piece of shit car you're just dumping money into this vehicle that doesn't take you anywhere goes

nowhere the motor constantly has to be rebuilt yeah you constantly have to put parts on this goddamn thing it's a disaster tires are insane expensive yeah it's just constant and you're running new pairs every time and you employ like eight people right to do all this shit it's too much you're right you employ eight people to lose you money to lose you money hey go out there and dump my money put pour it right in the fire will you oh let me pay you first so you have can do that here's here's three grand would you take that bucket of cash and pour it on the fire please jesus christ so he takes some money yeah and decides i'm gonna buy a race car yeah and i'm gonna drive it what kind of race car now well we knew he was into cars because he had that old porsche his first one here looks like a uh it's a ferrari okay there's a picture of him his actual oh he's doing like a euro racing he's doing euro

then later on he'll be doing like indie car racing so the open yeah open wheel open cockpit deal too he does that like the gran turismo right now kind of yeah it's a like a street car with a big wing on the back and it's a fucking awesome looking car. It's cool as shit. Goddamn Ferrari. It looks like it's in cruising USA. It's a free, it does. It's a Ferrari Crawford GT. So he begins competing in the Rolex sports car series in 2007. I'm sure that's cheap to enter.

Yeah, I'm sure. Rolex is a sponsor. That's what I mean. No one's watched. Like, what's the profit on this? You're just doing this because you want to jerk off and you like it.

If you're hip and you're not a race car driver who's been doing this forever and knows what they're doing and can win races. He's in his 40s already. He's driving a Ferrari. And later on, a couple of years, he'll form a thing called Level 5 Motorsports. Level 5. Sounds. Yeah. It's words that all

match that's what i mean he knows how to brand shit um guy cosmo who's a driver for the team uh says that he worked for level five for a while and he shared driving duties with tucker okay he doesn't want to just own the team jimmy he's gonna drive the race car not just own it drive wow yeah that's the kind of absolute hubris this is the type of asshole that we're doing as fuck right i'm a race car driver what other sport think about this and you can say what you want i understand that driving for 500 laps without you know having a piss or whatever's physically taxing i get that and it's very hard to concentrate driving and the bladder endurance is impressive but what other sport yeah could you be in your mid-40s have never participated in the sport ever not even in high school yeah never participated in this sport and then just make some money and go i'm gonna do that

i'm gonna be a professional at it hold on go further james i'm going to get into this sport buy a team and i'm going to be the fucking captain of it and play and do it think about that what other sport could you do that quarterback of the fucking cowboys would be ridiculous i feel like coaching which he kind of probably does but other than that yeah it would be if he actually did though it was like i'm going to coach it too well this guy's driving it'd be jerry's the wide receiver. But the other thing, Jerry Jones played college football. Jerry Jones, he played on the same team with Jimmy Johnson. That's why they know each other so well.

So at least he knows football. He played in a Division I-A. I feel like Mark Cuban being like, I'm the starting center now. That's exactly right. I bought the team. I'm very happy with it. By the way, I'm playing two guard. I really just think I've been practicing. I think I can draw threes on people they're gonna sleep on me hang it up jason kid i'm wearing that number i'm doing yeah it's my number number one pick another one he's

you know go out there they're gonna sleep on me man they're not gonna see me out there i'm dropping threes they're gonna figure dopey dumpy white guy can't do shit watch mvp computer guy you know that's kind of what's going on here now uh this guy said about scott tucker quote the guy was as committed as anyone i've ever seen outside of maybe outside of maybe some 16 year old kid trying to make his way to f1 so they're saying he got in it and he was just immediately balls to the wall balls to the wall guns blaze and wanted to make a name for himself, you know, because he's in his 40s. So it's kind of full throttle. Yeah.

He he apparently they called him a, quote, gentleman driver. That's that means you made a shitload of money. And now you want to be a race car driver, which is more a dig than it is a compliment. It's exactly what it is. It means that you're just fucking around. You're you're you made money. Yeah're a, you're a, you made money. Yeah. Paul Newman was also a gentleman driver, as we know.

He would do the same shit. I'm a race car driver now. We see this a lot with celebrities. Say what you want about him. His dressing's great. His dressing's good. Celebrities do this a lot. Yeah.

We're like, now I'm a race car driver. Now I'm this, now I'm that. Good for you, Adam Carolla. Carolla all the time does that. Yeah, he's a race car driver. Good for you, bud. It's like. Good for you, Adam Carolla. Carolla all the time does that. Yeah, he's a race car driver. Good for you, bud. I get that you like cars. Right.

It's fine. But, you know, like I said, I like basketball. I like cars, too, man. Yeah. I love them. I love trucks. You drive your car on the road, I'll shoot my hoops at the park, and everybody's happy. And we go along.

That's it. It's a fun drive at 40 miles an hour. It is. It's great. Instead, this guy, this guy though no he's gonna dump shit loads of money into this here now everybody knew this is the guy who worked for him everybody knew that he's very wealthy and um you know everything like that uh he said though quote obviously there were rumblings about the nature of the business and all those things but i i really

but i really i don't know anything about it he's like not my fucking concern i work for the race team right i'm not concerned with who's funding the race team yeah most of the race teams are funded by cocaine or some other crazy shit gives a shit as long as my check clears yeah we've done like racing things and how brace speed boats and shit it's all filthy money it's all people laundering their fucking money because it's a place where you dump money and burn it like it's a you know it goes away it goes away drag racing would be another one of those burn it so i don't think that's what rod realizes that other people were just doing it to to to launder to launder money and he was like this is fun it's a different

thing he was genuine about the fucking shit he's very much like me yeah if you gave you you know 35 million dollars and some fame in a baseball career i'd love to have a top fuel dragster wouldn't that be neat it's like get the fucking bill for it oh my god jesus it's outrageous holy shit how does john force do it and then somebody and they were people were stealing from him too on there so that they were selling the parts and shit. Why is there so many parts? It's amazing how expensive that motor is. Wow, crazy. So Tucker, they said, spared no expense. He's got money, whatever he wants.

Billions of dollars. He sets up immediately a multiple car, multiple class operation. So different cars at different classes, hires drivers, mechanics, top of the notch, top tier. Top notch, top of everything, top cars you know top notch top of everything top cars wow everything he can buy the best he can possibly buy um he competes in the united states and europe he'll go into the 24 hours of le mans and france at one point everything here so that's what he's doing he's racing and trying to really build up his ego. Yeah. Now, businesses, though, you know, other people were a little mad at him. His own business partner, for that matter.

Remember the guy who bankrolled him is half a billion dollars. Where's that money at? Chris Hallinan. He put up the cash to start that. For years, Tucker had called Hallinan each Saturday to give him an update on their company called National Money Service. Now, according to this lawsuit from Hallinan, Tucker acknowledged to Hallinan that he'd created a new company called CLK Management and that the Indian tribes were involved. That's

the way he put it. Now, Hallinan said Tucker led him to believe that CLK Management was just a part of their company and that in truth they still owned uh the payday loan business which he had basically just put it in another shell with the tribes and said now it's mine and then you're yours is shit now to this other guy so he basically just scammed this guy and took his money and moved it somewhere else to his own business where he doesn't have to give this guy a cut scumbag yeah now by 2006 they said he wasn't calling anymore it was just kind of an email here and there yeah just drop an email off of it yeah just kind of yeah you know hal and ann became suspicious and sent an accountant in may of 2008

to look at the books of their company as he has the right to do according to the lawsuit the accountant discovered the company quote had essentially been ransacked and substantially of all its assets cash profits and profits diverted yeah so he fucking stole everything basically so helen and accused tucker of stealing the business by moving everything over to clk management and so um yeah but at this point they were um he was saying in his documents he did that but it looks like from what i found he's ready to move it to another company so for now it's clk management but who knows i i'm last is coming up yeah i might need to uh to amend this later on here so um uh he does that the lawsuit reveal reveals some details about the relationship with the tribes as well.

Hallinan alleged that Tucker had significant influence over the Indian tribes. He released a letter from Tucker that showed on July 31st, 2008, Tucker had completed a new management and power of attorney agreements with the tribes. with the tribes and tucker revealed a proposal as part of a settlement to share with hal and ann all money from the tribal accounts after an undisclosed amount was paid to the tribes and the lawsuit was settled so this guy ended up was like all right fine that's cool you just as long as i get my money so two companies working for the modoc tribe revealed what the tribe gets paid from the payday loan lending business basically it's a class action lawsuit from borrowers in california oh shit oh boy the company said the tribe received between one and two percent of revenues from the loans that's not a lot even though borrowers pay nearly

800 percent interest 800 percent interest i'm like 400 you would literally be way better off yeah going to a mob loan shark absolutely it's not 800 interest oh my god no fucking gangster with a straight face would tell somebody this is an 800 interest loan no gangster and whatever they say is the truth so they're not gonna they need their word is asked to mean something on the street so this is fucking nuts and it's it's so legitimate business this is crazy it's taking advantage of of people in the world in their worst need you know they're dire and so you're gonna fucking yeah fine i'm gonna really fuck you for it it's it's like gouging you know gas prices like only

gas station in the desert it's twelve dollars a gallon like yeah because you're the only one out here it's that sort of thing you're the only people who'll lend it to me wow so 800 percent no one from the tribe is even able to sign for several of the bank's tribe accounts uh the tribe's bank accounts used for payday lending in the the same suit, U.S. Bank, that's a big bank, disclosed the only two people able to sign checks on four tribal accounts were Scott Tucker and his brother Blaine Tucker. Scott Tucker identifies himself on the accounts as the treasurer of the Modoc Tribes Corporation.

An attorney for the tribe said that recently that Scott is no longer the company's treasurer. The Miami and Santee sioux tribes are still fighting a separate class action lawsuit to keep their financial details secret they're trying to hide they don't want to talk no they wanted they're making money and they don't want any part of this whole thing it's a lot plus then you go into records and finances and it's a lot it's a whole thing it's a whole thing so 2008 scott debuts in the rolex 24 at daytona driving a trg grandam gt porsche wow bitchin car badass in the rolex driving rolex series driving with ed zabinski jack baldwin martin martin martin ragginger and claudio burton the team finishes 28 28th in the class due to an

engine failure in the 20th hour of the event really yeah 20 out of 24 the engine fucked up not much you can do there after the 24 tucker enters level 5 motorsports into three additional races uh with ed zabinski in the Rolex Series. Now, 2009, he teamed up with French sports car driver Christophe Boucher. Boucher? Boucher? Boucher. Christophe Boucher.

The guy whose last name sounds like bullshit. Boucher. Yeah. And earned a career best finish of third at Watkins Glen. Wow. Here is... Watkins Glen. That's a tough one, man. Here's his team. That's him there. Oh. That's what I mean. You're not an athlete, Glen. Wow. Watkins Glen. That's a tough one, man. Here's his team.

That's him there. Oh. That's what I mean. You're not an athlete, sir. What is this doughy fuck? Him there? Yeah. He's just a dork.

Yeah, I'm a dork. Yeah. I'm lots of money, though. I get to hold the trophy because I paid for it. Yeah. That's what that is. Watkins Glen is like a twisty, turny one. That's a tough one to win.

It's a real track. Now, Tucker with his co-drivers, Richard Westbrook, Ryan Hunter-Rieh, and Lucas Lohr at Daytona also. Tucker drove both cars at Homestead Miami Speedway, teaming up with Bullshit

in the number 55 car. Great. 2010, he had a great year. Yeah. Racing. Uh-huh. And he's making shitloads of money. Tons of cash.

How often do we have a guy be a super big criminal until he's 45 and then we're like, now he's an athlete. Right. Okay. This show is like, I don't even know. We've turned it inside out and then rolled it back up a different direction. Super weird. So he's so good, he wins Rookie of the Year honors in the American Le Mans Series and

the team championship in the same season. Not bad. So, Rookie of the Year. He's great. He's fucking 60 years old. It's 40. Christ almighty, Rookie of the Year. Sorry, we're going to give you Rookie of the year, but it's pretty silly, right?

There's 18-year-olds involved in this. The elderly rook. Yeah, hey, come here, rook. So, Gunnar Jeanette, who sounds like a race car driver. Yeah, he does. A driver in IMSA's WeatherTech Sports Car Championship Series. Yeah. Look at all these racing

series out there. Do you know of... How does money come to them i get we get sponsors who's looking at the sponsors to even buy their shit there's nobody there and why how is weather tech looking for a racing place to sponsor i don't know what's happening um now uh gunner jeanette said he didn't like the manner that Tucker chose to win. Oh, how'd he win? He pulled out his dick? He pressed a little button that released nails? He's got a little oil slick button that comes out and you go,

and you go, and you go into the wall. Well, he says that he's not a cheater, per se. All right. Gunner says, quote, he cheated really well inside of the rules, which maybe says a lot about his character. Rubbins racing, that kind of little things.

He adds that Tucker was a detail oriented racer who found loopholes in the rules. He's a guy who looks. I'll go to the tribal land. He's always looking for loopholes. For the first time in series history, he got them to allow him to get points in whichever car finished better he fought because he had multiple cars so he said that he as a driver could get the points from the other team which no no whichever of his cars finished better because it's his team because yeah so he owns it yeah exactly my car too it's mine too

he's so yeah he said it was very difficult racing against him where he would drive two cars and basically if one car had an issue and the other car finished better he would get points for that that's not fair he said as a driver it was tough because everybody else it's like if you're fishing and you have two poles in the water you got a better chance period whichever one's bigger is the one i caught everybody else says yeah you have twice the chances everybody else he has literally has, yeah, you have twice the chance as everybody else. He literally has two fucking cars and he just switches in between them. Whichever one's doing better, that's him.

I have 13 pounds of fish here, obviously. But you look great because you're getting the points for the highest finish each time. 13 pounds of fish. So the IMSA is a sports car racing's major sanctioning body in the country, and its rules changed the following year about it. The lead engineer for Tucker's team was a guy named Jeff Braun. He said, Tucker put together the closest thing to a dream team in sports car racing. He had enough money, just bought whoever he wants.

Level 5 won in a controversial outcome at the 2014 24 Hours of Daytona. This is too much Daytona, man. That's a lot of Daytona. See, who's watching that for 24? No one's sitting there for 24 hours. I don't even know that I want to be in Daytona for 24 hours. Fuck no. Let alone at a race for it.

Fuck Daytona. Fuck no. No. And fuck no let alone at a race for it fuck daytona fuck no no and fuck no it's too much daytona man it's a lot it's a lot of daytona it's an overdose of daytona how long does it take to drive through daytona quickly uh not long there you go that's how long i want to be in daytona probably 20 minutes yeah probably got out of day Daytona that fast. So that's in 2014. They win that. And it marks his, quote unquote, 100th victory in sports car racing. He's 100?

100, him and his team. So who knows how much of that he's raced. Right. But afterwards, the team was disbanded. He disbanded the team. He just wanted 100 wins and then he's leaving. Yeah. The Braun guy said he was disappointed.

He says it was about the people. A lot of people think it was because of the money and all that stuff. It was the right people put together. And I mean from drivers down to the hospitality people, the truck drivers, the managers, and all of that. Yeah. He's saying that the whole team was good. Yeah, but that's because you can buy the best. It's not the same.

If you buy the best at everything. Racing began because you raced against whatever you had. Yeah, that's the point. You slowly build your product better so that it's racing better. It's not just buy the fucking best thing out of the box. He just buys it out of the box and buys the best people. I want to buy this. This is the best drivers the best mechanics and all that yeah that's fair yeah he's like a guy who buys a sports team i want the best quarterback i just want him i'll

buy him what's he want how much money does he want race and need the salary cap salary cap of these races is 50 bucks probably i don't know what they're making on this. Whatever. It's like a gas cost. That's your salary cap. There you go. That's all we have. In 2010, he added the four-time Champ Car World Series champion Sebastian Bordas, Richard Westbrook, Sasha Masson, Lucas Lohr again, Ryan Hunter-Rieh again, and Emmanuel Collard to his team for the 48th running of the Rolex 24 at Daytona. So he's got all these guys driving. Like, he's not even driving that much.

The progress through the race was part of a documentary entitled Daytona Dream. His progress in here. The documentary was produced by Drive Digital Media, which was a company that Scott Tucker was an investor in. He was making a documentary about himself and just burning more money yes by the way this is featured on dirty money on netflix really this guy's on there this is one of the i didn't watch the episode because i wanted to do my own shit but yeah you never know so it makes sense that calling it the right thing yeah don't a dream he had a fucking dream and he needed to dump money

so this is perfect it's fucking dumping yeah he just loves it it's funny he's got all this money he competed in the american le mans series in 2010 along his uh along with the rolex and all that sort of shit here uh he as in tucker divides driving duties between the two different cars of course and along with a couple of his drivers there he won the 12 hours of sebring in the lmpc category what the fuck that is the trio went on to win the uh three further races during the season as well yeah i don't know what's he's doing well i mean he's got all these good drivers I feel like he jumps in at the end. Yeah. Like five laps to go. He's like, get on in. They're like five laps up.

Then he just the whole time, like his arm out the window, like waving. Yeah, we did it. He is named, though, their team is, I guess, American Le Mans Series Rookie of the Year. So look at him. He moved to the LMP2 category. Oh, my. For 2011. And they obtained new lola honda prototypes now that's you know what those are hondas the lola hondas is that the the open wheel little ones

yeah they call those um yeah they're like the little open wheel race cars a little like um they had them at fucking action park okay those are the little cars. Those are that kind of car. Tucker was part of the winning team in the 12 Hours of Sebring. Due to lack of competitors in the LMP2 class of the American Le Mans series, Level 5 concentrated on the International Le Mans Cup rounds in Europe. Holy shit. Then they returned and won three end-of-season American Le Mans races. So he's kicking ass.

He was a little history. He was second in 2008 in the Ferrari Challenge North America some shit. He's finished a bunch of number one finishes, American Le Mans series, National Championship runoff series. What else we got here? national championship runoff series um what else we got here the uh cooper tires prototype lights powered by mazda race it's all it's all big stuff first first first first first lots of firsts and all the big company sponsored events lots of firsts here he enters total uh 146 races 47 wins wow so that's winning a third of your race that's he's doing great that's obscene

plus you have two cars so your odds are also are also better and great drivers 77 podiums i guess that would be like showing yeah uh 12 pole positions 17 fastest laps and uh he's got a 52.7 podium percentage how many pole positions 17 he's 12 12 12 127% podium percentage. How many pole positions? 17. He's 12. 12 pole positions. 12? 12 pole positions. That's incredible.

That's so during testing. And then he comes out fastest, so he starts the race in first. 12 times. That's awesome. That's not bad. So 2012, that's his total deal, but I'll get into this in a little more detail. 2012, Tucker and Level 5 embarked on a full-season campaign on the ALMS P2 category. Oh, boy.

With two new HPDARX-03BS. Sounds sick. What the fuck is that? I don't know what that is. He scored eight class wins to claim the 2012 P2 championship. He's a champion. He's the only one he can afford more than everyone else. Like better cars.

He bought a championship. He might as well just buy the trophies. Yeah. It'd be easier. Yeah. And doing all this shit. Just make them. Make a giant trophy and be like, I'm a race car driver.

It's a lot cheaper. It's the same thing. So Tucker and level five teammate. This is bullshit. Chris bullshit. Yeah. They were able to join the driver lineup of the German Colas team for the 2010 24 Hours of Le Mans, driving two diesel powered Audi R10 TDIs. Diesel powered. Diesel powered.

Good Lord. They failed to finish the race though something happened with the car well they're diesels they're gonna die 2011 uh tucker scored his first career le mans podium result uh combining with drivers christopher bullshit and jao barbarosa and uh you know i don't even i can't even know what the fuck these numbers mean i'm not gonna read this it's another car another car another race type i don't even know what the fuck these numbers mean. I'm not going to read this. It's another car. Another car. Another race type. I don't even know what that is. He competed in LMP2 in 2012 and finished 14th. His team finished 13th during the 2013 24 Hours of Le Mans.

So the SCCA here, Tucker was the national title holder in the D Sports Racing, was the national title holder in the d sports racing driving uh let's see here claiming the lap record at road america with a lap time of one minute 58 seconds 58.997 seconds um so this was uh he was driving a car owned by west race cars which then he purchased so he's's like, I like your car. I'm going to buy your entire company. Wow. And so they built up this car. This is the car he was using. I can't wait to see this. Holy shit. That's cool.

It looks like the fucking Batmobile with an open top. It looks mean. Unbelievable. That thing is bitching looking, isn't it? What is the paint job on? Is it just black? Straight, shiny shiny glossy black it's fucking mean looking dude fenders come all the way down yeah they come all the way to the

ground that's like a flat thing around the edges so weird and they're like it's like an inch off the ground i want that thing is mean looking drive that over here to fucking make a show that's couldn't get in the driveway there's a lump it only take me three minutes yeah it's true that's true to make up for it so he this is an article i found in a racing uh publication here uh parker here uh or tucker i'm sorry yeah from overland cat park that's why right mix those together uh grabbed his second title of the week on saturday at the scca national championship runoffs winning d sports racing and becoming the first scca club racer to break the two-minute lap time barrier in a race at road america uh let's see um other people there

uh tucker cruised to a 34.99 or 988 second win averaging 118.308 miles per hour over the 13-lap 52-mile race at course at road america 52 miles yeah and in 52 miles he pulled a 30 second win holy shit that's a long lead it's only 13 laps but 52 miles a long lap it's a three mile three mile lap 52 miles four mile lap yeah yeah i guess 52 miles that's a long lap isn't it how long are they normally a mile a mile mile and a half sometimes two so yeah okay it's rarely that long four miles four miles a lot of laps that's a lot yeah um you know what i think i'm wrong i think they're longer than a mile they've gotta be i guess they would have to go that fast in a circle like that yeah you know what i mean that mean? I think Watkins Glen is long.

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That's a big lead. That's you win. Count to 30. Second place. Somebody else comes out. That james that's huge that's a big lead that's you win count to 30 and then somebody else comes out that's a long that's a long win that's wild man um this he turned a lap of one minute 59 seconds 59.991 seconds on lap four to become the first to break that mark in the race to the two minute lap there. So he's even flying. He flew. He had a better in race lap than anyone had ever had in a qualifying when they're by themselves cars out there. So he they said he'll be recognized by the Chicago region.

S fuck. That's hard to read. S.C.C.A. With a plaque hung in Road America office as well as a charitable donation to the SCCA Foundation. He did so well they're going to put a plaque up at corporate. They're going to put a plaque up of him. Where he won't even be. No, he'll never set foot there.

Tucker eventually returned to the hawk hastest lap of the race. What the fuck is that? With another sub two minute lap and running three laps under the two minute barrier. Those fast laps earned Tucker the GoPro hero move of the race. Wow. So there you go. The man of the match. Oh, yeah.

It's the fifth national championship for Tucker, who also won super touring title earlier that week. So he's doing fucking great. And let's hear what he has to say about it. How does he feel about doing great? What do you say? I think we need them in their own words, although he's talked enough, but still in their own words, quote, that was a mission statement. When we started this project, we've been working it on it all year. I didn't realize what a big deal it was until we got here and we did it in qualifying. It's really

our crew and team that really did it all underneath the hood work and did all of the development work to get the car where it is today. Today was really an experiment to see what we've developed. And if it would last 13 laps in a very high strung environment so far, so good, but we'll have to tear it down and see where the issues are. It's such a great class where you have the opportunity to be somewhat unlimited. Yeah. Scott Tucker. I'm great. I'm Scott Tucker. Look at me no further. Everybody else did this. Yes. If you're going to dig in deep and do a real investigation, look into them. Not me.

Not me. I'm Scott Tucker. I did great. I did great. And that said, grace. Let's say grace. Right now, he's got so much money, he doesn't know what to do with it. He has to piss it away.

He has to piss it away on multiple race teams. He actually like doing well racing like winning races and shit it's amazing winning rookies of the year in his 40s he's letting everyone else do it i'm sure but still he's putting it together that's got to be a grace here um so it's at this point where the government starts catching up to him a little bit yeah yeah april 2012 the ftc the federal trade commission kind of a big deal they can do bad things to you and uh bernie or is it bernie was it bernie what was that guy's name the guy in new york they got caught with by the sec sec bernie madoff bernie madoff that's our guy was that in like 2008 10 8 somewhere it's around this enough to where they're starting to look at guys like oh they want and the and the payday loans are a big deal because certain states are cracking down on

them so the ftc files a civil suit against amg services and scott tucker and others founding that the are alleging that amg engaged in illegal business tactics obviously uh 2013 he claimed his fourth alms driver's championship after scoring eight uh class wins in 10 races so in 2000 2013 they're investigating him but he's winning eight out of 10 races unbelievable he's doing well uh the united sports car championship tucker won the 2014 daytona 24 hours in the gt daytona class uh there it's a ferrari 458 italia gt he was driving sweet jesus fuck man that's awesome a five hundred thousand dollar car that's um yeah without work done yeah man like this with all this piles shit into it with jeff siegel townsend bell bill swed, and Alessandro Pier Guididi. Yeah.

That's what I like. Guididi. Despite the car having been initially handed a penalty for it was deemed late race avoidable contact. Oh, I guess he rubbed on somebody. The car did. Who knows who was driving. They reversed the call more than four hours after the race, declaring the car the winner.

Wow. So he got it back. He argued his way he got it back he argued his way into getting it back or paid for it or paid for it the daytona win came on the 60th anniversary of ferrari racing in america so he takes the ferrari there uh so yeah the 24 hours of lamans uh here that i'm looking at they didn't do too well there 2010 11 and 12 they only finished uh once and finished third the other times they didn't finish but that's one of those races where i feel like if 50 cars start you're probably ending with 20

you know the endurance of a vehicle is really tested for 24 hours of going as fast as it can redline it's yeah that's that's crazy so may of 2014 U.S. grand jury subpoenaed AMG Services as part of a criminal probe conducted by the office of Manhattan U.S. attorney Preet Bharara, reportedly looking at possible violations of statutes covering wire fraud, money laundering, and the big one, racketeering, which means RICO, which means you get fucking hammered on sentences for rico if it's an organized corrupt organization so uh blaine and joel his brothers were also involved in this whole thing and they face criminal charges as well for everything so their mother must be

very proud thrilled thrilled blaine tucker while this is going on uh commit suicide yeah he killed himself he's scared to death yeah he heard this was i mean we don't know what else was going on in his life obviously but i assume the biggest i assume this is part of it probably it's the same time it's going on and it's got to be part of it your life falling down around you joel tucker received a four million dollar civil penalty from the federal trade commission for selling fake payday loan portfolios to debt collectors oh you asshole so debt collectors they were selling them people who didn't know shit but selling them the lists like they did owe something and the debt collectors go and start harassing these people harassing

people who don't owe anything to anybody oh it's fucked up as a matter of fact we have an interesting story from one of these exact people oh no who did that well no it's a good happy ending okay good so um uh blaine commits suicide january 2015 uh amg services and mne services inc agreed to settle charges with the ftc by paying a 21 million dollar fine as well as waiving an additional 285 million dollars in charges that were assessed but not collected you know who doesn't pay 21 million dollar fines people that don't people that do shit legally yeah generally not i've never had to pay one people that pay them uh generally did way worse when they settle for that yes he agreed to that they probably should be paying a lot more that wasn't a judgment that was okay i'll give you 21 million

that's a lot so finally february of 2016 scott is arrested finally for all this shit he is indicted and arrested for various criminal violations under the rico act he is fucked yeah rico statutes uh for acts related to his involvement in a number of payday lending operations that's not good no that's bad shit you're going to jail for a while especially for this shit oh yeah this is money shit you can't hide it there's no it's not a difference of opinion no it's we have a trail of paper that takes us back to you right spending it right this guy gave it and in the end here's you smiling next to a porsche and we have a whole trail that had that happened we followed 3.4 billion george washington's yes and we're at you we followed the map in the back of the placemat

at denny's to do this so uh he's arrested and indicted for criminal charges filed in the u.s district court for the southern district of new york that's a familiar one that the country will be way more familiar with the next few months in relation to his ownership and controlling role in various payday lending operations that were found to have charged illegal interest rates in violation of the rico and the tila statutes tila i'm unfamiliarL-A. I'm unfamiliar with that. Rico I know very well, being a petrogallo. They teach you that young. In Italian, they teach you very young. They teach you that's a dog, cat, and then they teach you Rico.

The cow goes moo. Yeah, racketeering influenced corrupt organizations. They teach you that very young age. The cow goes moo. Uncle Tommy was charged under the Rico Act tommy was charged under the rico uncle tommy was charged under the rico act it's bullshit they put uncle paulie in too and he wasn't even involved just because he was a part of you know the whole thing it's bullshit rats like cheese do you know what a rat is you know so in the media rather than hide hide and fucking hang your head in shame, he's going out like, bullshit, I'm Mr. Good Guy still.

Wow. He goes on as a guest on Dinner with Racers. It's a podcast where he portrayed himself an innocent target of overzealous federal prosecutors. They're just after me. This is bullshit. Oh, it's ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. He's doing all this shit.

We were making podcasts when he did this. We were this was when this was happening we were already making this show now also he participated in the netflix dirty money series he was in that he participated in that did interviews and shit in a cocky manner while under investigation for committing this this shit so what a dummy not smart yeah here we go now i this even though this isn't prison we'll get to that later we need to do a you sir may fuck off for this because we've had people get sued we've had somebody oh is somebody he has to pay a million dollars or two million dollars yeah september 2016 jimmy federal Federal judge ordered Tucker and the other defendants, very few of them, to pay a judgment of, well, we'll tell you what it's for first.

For deceiving consumers across the country and illegally charging them an undisclosed and inflated fees, they fine him. You, sir, may fuck off and pay $1.266 dollars wow that's a fine yeah 1.2 not the business scott tucker and the other people 1.266 billion dollars holy shit okay take the 0.266 out throw that away that's a shitload of money. That's $260 million. So much money. If I said they fined him $260 million, you'd go, whoa. Holy shit.

Take that out. Round down. Yeah. It's still a billion dollars with a B. That's a lot. A fucking billion. He's in trouble. That is so much money.

So we got fined? Out of everybody we've ever done, that's the harshest penalty that we've ever seen handed down. That's the biggest fine I've ever heard of. We've had people hung on this show, hanged. This is a fucking show they were hung to. I'd like to actually Google how much Boeing was fined when two planes went into the fucking ocean. I don't know that it was that much. At the time, this was a record judgment.

Record fucking setting judgment here. That is wild, man. That is wild. He still hasn't even been sent to prison yet. Right. That's what he owes. Oh, boy. So, October 13th, 2017, he is convicted of 14 counts, including making illegal payday

loans and racketeering. Oh, boy. Bad stuff. His organization ceased operation after he and his lawyer, Timothy Muir, his lawyer's indicted as well in this. So you're telling me CLK is open? Yeah, I think you can use it now. We should buy that. We should buy it.

Yeah, let's be douchebags. Wanna? Let's just be CLK Entertainment. Wanna be AMG Entertainment? We should totally fucking do it. AMG CLK Entertainment. Make these to be AMG Entertainment. We should totally fucking do it. AMG CLK Entertainment. Make these comedy clubs kind of check to that. Dude, we should get like one with like eight different ones and just make it.

ALG, AMG, CLK, SLK. BMW, just name like a bunch of shit. WWE fucking. Plus one G-Wagon. G-Wagon. Put it in there and be like, yeah, that's our company name. You got to write that. They won't care otherwise man so um they will end up being convicted on 14 counts of racketeering wire fraud money laundering and the truth and lending act violations not great now here's what he did for Rico. Here's a description of his crimes.

From at least 1997 until 2013, Tucker engaged in the business of making short or small short-term high-interest unsecured loans, commonly referred to as payday loans through the Internet. There's probably some people who still are trying to figure out what the hell he's in trouble for if they're listening to the show. figure out what the hell he's in trouble for um if they're listening to the show tucker's lending enterprise which had up to 1500 employees this one did holy shit based in overland park kansas did business as a maryland uh cash cash advance one click cash uh preferred one click yeah one click it is i was like one click cash uh preferred cash Preferred Cash Loans, United Cash Loans, U.S. Fast Cash, 500 Fast Cash, Advantage Cash Services, and Star Cash Processing. Holy shit. And they were all on the internet? On the internet.

There had to be brick-and-mortar stores. I feel like I've seen these. It has to be. Oh, yeah. With 1,500 employees? They can't all be working for internet people, I wouldn't assume, anyway. Or maybe you'd need that many people. there are shit piles of these yeah i i've i've seen star loan i know i've seen that one of those was on uh dunlap and seventh avenue right there yeah cave creek oh yeah there used to be right fucking there one of these i think it was

i was just gonna say i think it was i think it was a star loan. I was just going to say. I think it was. I think it was a star loan, but there was one right there for years. And then all of a sudden, gone. Disappeared. This overnight, it was gone. Yeah. Because this is why. Literally, this is why. It was probably about four or five years ago when they shut all this down.

So let's see here. Yes. So United Cash Loans, all those things. Tucker, working with Muir, his lawyer, the general counsel for Tucker's payday lending businesses since 2006, routinely charged interest rates of 600% or 700%, sometimes higher than 1,000%. Wow. Dude, that's crazy. 4.5 million working people in all 50 states, including more than 250,000 people in New York, many of whom were struggling to pay basic living expenses. Many of these loans were issued in states, including New York, with laws that expressly forbid lending at the exorbitant interest rates that Tucker charged. charged evidence at trial established that tucker and muir were fully aware of the illegal nature of the loans charged and in fact prepared scripts to be used by call center employees to deal with

complaints by customers that their loans were illegal wow they knew what they were doing they they had people coached on what to say what to say how to blow them off how to fucking push them aside this is this is crazy and this is a state by state thing i don't know if there's federal right federal uh over complete federal law on this or if this just goes state by state but there's gotta be now right there are some states where it is wild fucking west just let them do it they do whatever they want you could probably name the states off the top of your head if you just said which states would let people do crazy illegal shit that fucks people right those ones you know the ones we're talking about exactly of the ones there um so yes that one and that one too whatever you want there and this one also yes that that one too yes

those are the ones yeah free to be robbed blind as well so they um this is what happened here so also fraudulent loan disclosures here. TILA is a federal statute. Oh, good. I get to find out what this is. Intended to ensure that credit terms are disclosed to customers in a clear and meaningful way. Oh. This is what you're signing up for.

Okay. Here's what you're paying. I thought it was to keep dumb girls off the internet that get bottles thrown at them. I think it is. Yeah, that would help. We need that. Yeah. We do need that.

Both to protect customers against inaccurate and unfair credit practices and to enable them to compare credit terms readily and knowledgeably. Fair enough. Among other things, TILA and its implementing regulations require lenders, including payday lenders,

like the Tucker Payday lenders, to disclose accurately, clearly, and conspicuously before any credit is extended the finance charge, the annual percentage rate, and the total payments that reflect the legal obligation between the parties of the loan. All it says is it needs to be in clear, plain fucking English, what the person actually will owe you. Don't lie to these people. Yeah, it can't be some bullshit. The Tucker Payday lenders purported to inform prospective borrowers in clear and simple terms, as required by TILA, of the cost of the loan. For example, for a loan of $500, the TILA box provided that the finance charge,

meaning the dollar amount the credit will cost you, would be $150, and that the total payments would be $650 total of payments. So that's all they're going to charge there. Thus, in substance, the Tila box stated that a $500 loan to the customer would cost $650 to repay. That's fair. That's fine to me. If you need a loan like that, and it's bullshit, it's a huge rate of interest, but if you need

a loan like that and you don't have any credit, you don't have any choice, I guess that's fair. it's it's bullshit it's a huge rate of interest but if you need a loan like that you don't have any credit you don't have any choice i guess that's fair that's better than street rates right and it's better than just telling people sign in the box exactly so it's just lying and it's something but in substance uh though the tila box stated that a 500 loan to the customer would cost 650 to repay while the amounts set forth in the tucker payday lenders Tila box stated that a $500 loan to the customer would cost $650 to repay, while the amounts set forth in the Tucker Payday lender's Tila box varied accordingly to the terms of the particular customer loans, they reflected in substance that a borrower would pay $30 in interest for every $100 borrowed. Per day. Which is a lot. In fact, though, through at least 2012, Tucker and Muir structured the repayment schedule of the loans such that on the borrower's payday, the Tucker payday lenders automatically withdrew the entire interest payment due on the loan. But left the principal balance untouched.

So on the borrower's next payday, Tucker payday lenders could again automatically withdraw an amount equaling the entire interest payment due that is sick so every payday they hit you for another 150 and another 150 loan because every payday you're getting robbed blind yep rather than taking what you owe that's crazy with tucker and muir's approval the tucker payday lenders proceeded automatically to withdraw such finance charges payday after payday typically every two weeks applying none of the money toward repayment of the principal until at least the fifth payday unbelievable robbing people for months uh that's wild that's fucking disgusting it should be illegal that's crazy yeah you're it's a dishonest robbery when they began to withdraw

an additional 50 per payday to apply to the principal balance of the loan then they would just take 50 out to apply so they take all the interest all up front and then minus 50 so the next week you'd get they'd take all the interest and then you know with the what you had minus 50 and then another 50 so it's ridiculous um wow even then the tucker payday lenders continued to assess and automatically withdraw the entire interest payments not even prorated uh calculated on the remaining principal balance until the entire principal amount was repaid oh boy holy shit accordingly tucker and muir well knew that the tucker payday lenders tila box materially understood the amount the loan would cost,

including the total payments that would be taken from the borrower's bank account, specifically for a customer who borrowed $500, contrary to the Tila box's disclosure stating that the total payment by the borrower would be $650. In fact, and as Tucker and Muir well knew, the finance charge was $1,425 for a total payment. That's not total. That's the finance charge for a total payment of $1,925 by the borrower for $500 fucking dollars. You're paying back two grand. Dude, serious. There has not been a loan shark.

Yeah. On this $1,500 for that's crazy on this earth at a fucking horse track with degenerate fucking gamblers and how can you be out in front of cameras smiling with your race car when you're doing that to people you're a fucking scumbag you're getting your race car it's so gross i hope somebody beats the fuck out of him in jail feeling someone is going to kick his ass in jail. I hope so. I mean, how would you not? Although he'll be in a white collar criminal fucking...

Yeah, you're right. He wouldn't be in the jail where the people that he affected are at. You know what I mean? Because they would kill him. And their family and friends, they'll fucking hang that guy from his shoestrings. Out of 4.5 million people, I guarantee you... There's a couple in there. There's someone in your cell block who them or their mother or somebody's been fucked over by a payday loan company.

You defrauded their family. And they are going to fuck your face for that. Yeah, they're going to knock your teeth out. They're going to take you to the edge of the cliff and show you how good it feels to fly. No shit. Now, there's also the sham tribal ownership of the business oh yeah let's go into chief scott tucker over here and see what he's been doing fuck in response to complaints that tucker payday lenders were extending abusive loans in violation of their usury laws several

states began to investigate the tucker payday lenders to thwart these actions tucker devised a scheme to claim that his lending businesses were protected by the by a sovereign community a legal doctrine that among other things generally prevents states from enforcing laws against native american tribes beginning in 2003 tucker entered into agreements with several Native American tribes, including the Santee Sioux of Nebraska, the Miami tribe of Oklahoma, and the Modoc tribe of Oklahoma. The purpose of these agreements was to cause the tribes to claim they owned and operated parts of Tucker's payday lending enterprise, so when the state sought to enforce laws prohibiting the loans, lending businesses would claim to be protected by sovereign immunity.

prohibiting the loans lending businesses would claim to be protected by sovereign immunity in return the tribe received uh tribe received payments from tucker typically one percent of the revenues from a portion of his lending bullshit so who knows what he actually paid him in order to create the illusion that the tribes owned and controlled the the businesses tucker and muir engaged in a series of lies and deceptions among Among other things, they did the following to do this. Muir and other counsel for Tucker prepared false factual declarations from tribal representatives. They just made up fucking papers that

were submitted to the state courts, falsely claiming, among other things, the tribes tribal corporations substantially owned, controlled, and managed the portions of Tucker's businesses targeted by the state. Tucker opened bank accounts to operate and receive the portions of Tucker's businesses targeted by the state. Tucker opened bank accounts to operate and receive the profits of the payday lending enterprise, which were nominally held by tribal-owned corporations,

but which were, in fact, owned and controlled by Tucker. Tucker received over $380 million from these accounts on lavish personal expenses, some of which was spent on a fleet of ferraris and porsches the expenses of a professional auto racing team a private jet a luxury home in aspen colorado and his personal taxes he just spent all the money there in order to deceive borrowers into believing they were dealing with native american tribes employees of tucker's payday loans over the phone told borrowers using scripts directed and approved by tucker and muir that they were dealing with Native American tribes, employees of Tucker's payday loans over the phone told borrowers using scripts directed and approved by Tucker and Muir that they were operating in Oklahoma and Nebraska where the tribes were located when, in fact, they were operating in corporate headquarters in Kansas. Liars.

So these deceptions succeeded for a time and several state courts dismissed enforcement actions against him. People actually sued him, and the judges dismissed it because it was sovereign. Right. It actually worked for a while. That's the fucked up part. You can't sue me.

I'm sovereign. I'm not driving my car. I'm transporting. I'm traveling in my vehicle. Yeah, that's what they did, and they went, okay, sir. Sovereign asshole.

Here's your fucking, you know. Lamont's car. I was going to say, And they went, okay, sir. Sovereign asshole. Here's your fucking, you know. Le Mans card. I was going to say your post-raising brand came-in-the-box card, identification card. In reality, the tribes neither owned nor operated any of this shit. They just got payments for it. So, yeah, this is how they generated $3.5 billion in revenue. Oh, my God. Holy shit.

In a five-year period. Five years, Jay. That's 2008 in revenue. Oh, my God. Holy shit. In a five-year period. Five years, Jay. That's 2008 to 2013. Oh, my God. $3.5 billion. That's how you afford to be a race car driver. I wish we could do that with podcasts. Oh, can you imagine that?

We've done five years. I'd quit. Oh, $3.5 billion? Oh, you would never hear from us again. I'll only take one. You could have all the rest. We love you, but $3.5 billion, you'll never hear from me. No, never again.

I don't need it. This is not for my ego. I don't need a big island. No. I'm not doing this for my ego. No. I like to pay my bills is what I'm doing. I don't even care if Jeffrey Epstein used to live there.

I'll buy it. I'll buy it. It's a cool island. Fuck it. No, that's kind of gross. It's got teenage girl tears on that island i don't want that island i'll burn it down and build again there you go we salt the earth yeah i'll salt that island i don't want growth there anyway no no no i want a 365 degree panoramic view of the ocean you know who else

didn't want any vegetation on the old island jeffrey upstein oh james hey sorry couldn't help myself oh my god couldn't help it man so uh yeah so that's how that works that's how a native american scam works how you scam people um so jesus that is wild how many people. Fuck, I can't fucking believe. How do you get away with that for so long? It's wild, man. How do you fucking rob over 1% of the United States population? I can't think of another scam that took money from that many people. I can't. It's probably because the people that would govern that and keep an eye on that are not people that would have anything to do with that payday loan because they're so well paid.

They'll never see that. Yeah. They understand the payday loans are high interest in their fucking people that don't have any money, but they don't care about people that don't have any. That's the thing. They don't care about us. No, they don't care about that at all. No. The people that get fucked ritually and just over and over and over again constantly are the people that nobody gives a fuck about anyway. Oh, absolutely.

Because they don't have anybody fighting on their side. Nobody fights for us because nobody cares about us. But the rest of it is all whack-a-mole, too. Because what you do is the government regulators will see. Because people are constantly coming up with new scams and loopholes so they have to it's all reactionary constantly chasing you yeah you can't you can't make a law against something that you haven't thought of yet you know what i mean someone comes up with it you're like oh i never even fucking thought of that we got to make

a law against that but it doesn't i've never thought of it because it doesn't fucking affect me and it doesn't exist either like in these certain like all of the the financial 2008 shit when they were doing all the packaging the loans all the the big short shit right that shit no one thought to say you can't do that because who the fuck would think to do that it's so complicated who would think you know someone could do that and get away with something and the people doing it are going this should be illegal don't say a fucking word exactly and that's what happens then when enough people do it then they start going hey what the hell's going on here and then people losing their houses we have to get to the bottom of this exactly that's that's kind of a thing here so yeah it's just weird so anyway regulators and that was very

similar too because the interest rates of the fucking mortgages were fucking insane you couldn't afford it that's c or hsbc or whatever the fucking you just can't fucking afford it no at all and there's a reason that they did it like because they would do the adjustables that would then jump to you know absurd amounts your interest rate went from uh you know 1.8 percent to uh 46.3 percent so your payment literally there's people that like our usual mortgage payment was 900 bucks then one month they said we owed 6,000. It was like your new mortgage payment, $6,000 a month. We were like, what the fuck?

I can't do that. And then they take your house. It's fucking crazy. Unbelievable. And then they have a shitload of houses that they can't sell on. They sell it half because the mortgages are still the same fucking thing. So nobody can afford that. It's exactly.

So, yeah, they end up uh finding him guilty on everything good fucking everything i mean it's all in the paperwork so there isn't really a lot of opinion like i said it's hard to argue uh here's papers and here's you robbed 4.5 million people that's the biggest trip for me. It shows here that you were charging $2,000 for a $500 loan due in a month. Yeah, literally in three weeks. So guilty on everything. Now sentencing comes around. Okay.

Scott wants leniency. Now why? Because he says he's just a nice guy. Yeah. And I had no idea. This is fucking funny. This I don't want to say it. Never mind.

I'm not going to say it. I'm not going to say it. I kind of want you to say it. This sounds like just like the assholes who rushed the fucking Capitol and then are going, we just got caught up in it. I was just there. I don't know. Guess what, motherfucker?

I wasn't. Yeah. And neither was Jimmy. And neither was a million fucking 350 other fucking million people who weren't there. I wasn't there. Yeah. So it's just this is it sounds like this. This sounds like people who don't consider themselves criminals because they consider

themselves a certain class. Right. And so they consider themselves not criminal. So when they get busted for something, they're like, well, I mean, I'm not a I'm not a bad guy. No, they're not like I'm not like black or anything. That's what they're fucking saying. mean i'm not a i'm not a bad guy no they're not like i'm not like black or anything that's what they're fucking saying everybody said we were patriots patriot doesn't sound anything like a criminal exactly what he says in business terms okay he wants leniency he says that you know i played over 10 000 people and this is what his lawyer

says he employed over 10 000 people and offered a quote fast simple and reliable service okay that took some but if i was a judge i'd be like double my sentence you can thank your lawyer for that one i wanted to give you leniency he says uh here boy although i saw myself as being an entrepreneur a job provider and a contributor to the american economy i've learned that others view me through a different lens i'm very sorry that our leaders castigate me as a villain or some type of predator oh my in other words i'm not sorry not at all that's what he said i'm sorry my our leaders call me a bad guy when really i'm a good guy who just provides a job and contributes to the american economy fuck you honestly i i hope they draw and quarter you

with four ferraris you fucking twat that would be rad fucking assholes on the hoods that's what i that's why i said ferrari you should literally or mustangs but ferraris would be appropriate for him his own ferraris that would be wonderful because fuck this guy fuck him fuck him and fuck him and fuck him again throw a lamborghini in there it's kind of bold yeah there you go we've talked about like guys who diddle girls and do all this shit and we're fucking mad at them and that's that's you ruined a person right you ruined a person maybe their family maybe whatever there's a lot of peripheral there's a lot of yeah this is four and a half million people how many people lost their fucking homes because of this how many people couldn't feed their kids at night how many people couldn't do all of this

shit and he stands up there and says i'm very sorry that our leaders castigate me as a villain or some type of predator i'm very sorry that our leaders didn't do what i wanted them to do so i had to break their windows that's exactly what the fuck that said but i'm actually an american patriot i'm sorry no one else can scream he said the same thing unbelievable there's a certain person that that is and it's not a person of whatever a genre it's a brain mindset a certain type of human being right that but i'm me right i don't understand what you mean yes i know for other people but you know but i'm me i'm a good person don't you get my meanness i'm me i people you. I can do things that I want. The entitlement.

Motherfucker. How entitled can you be to sit there and go, sorry. Sorry I didn't fucking, you know. I'm fine, though. I'm not a bad guy. Good. So the DA says this, quote, for more than 15 years scott tucker and and timothy muir made billions of dollars exploiting struggling everyday americans through payday loans carrying interest rates as

high as 1 000 an acting deputy u.s attorney for the southern district court said and to hide their criminal scheme they tried to claim their businesses were owned and operated by Native American tribes. But now Tucker and Muir's predatory business is closed and they have been sentenced to significant time in prison for their deceptive business practices. Or they will be. I'm sorry. By the way, if you think that's political, go fuck yourself because I'm sorry. It's not. Being a cunt is being a cunt in any fucking direction you put it.

And so anywhere in life, just because a cunt lands on one side of the political spectrum doesn't mean I'm talking shit about politics means talking shit about that cunt who happens to be over there with the rest of those cunts. Anywhere in life. Sorry to say C word eight times anywhere in life where you're a cunt. There are consequences for being a cunt. That's all. It's just the way it goes. Annoying. While we're at it, vaccinate your fucking kids.

There. Throw it in there to piss more people off. So someone else gets their say in it, which is strange because he gets to have his thing and the judge is going to talk and the lawyer talks to prosecutors, but the door opens. Somebody else gets their say, and it's my grandma! Holy shit! She wants a word with this shit.

She wants a word. And she says... Ma, how is it you come to arrive here? Ma, what the hell is wrong with you? Ma, you look... Ma, you nice boy, handsome. Ma, you have the money, your car nice, a shiny car. Ma, the women, wrong with you? Why are you looking? Why are you a nice boy? Handsome? Why do you have the money? Your car nice?

A shiny car? Why do women like you? I'm sure. Why do you do this to the poor people? Why? Why, you son of a bitch. Disgraciado. Why do you do it to the nice, the poor people?

They need help from you. And what do you do? What do you do? You do terrible things. You ruin people. Why, you son of a bitch. And then You ruin people. No, you sign him up. And then poof. But right before she hits him with a rolling pin, she disappears into a cloud of marinara sauce.

And he's very confused. Scott Tucker doesn't know what happened. Smells Amaretto. Smells Amaretto. He's looking around. But what he does know is he wished grandma was still there because instead of grandma, it's a judge. And he says it's a federal judge with uh lots of sentencing power yeah and uh judge castell describes the crimes as quote a scheme to extract

money from people in desperate circumstances that created heartbreak and sorrow hey not just just financial loss you sir yeah may fuck off 16 years and eight months in prison go fuck yourself how old is he he's in his 50s yep he's born in what 60s yeah he's he's he's in his 60s he is fucked oh boy enjoy it motherfucker because you deserve it number one and number two i don't feel bad for you at all at all we've had people that have killed people that have got less time for that sure and i'm okay with it because fuck this guy and he's going he's gonna i hate this man he's he's in now and this man if you've ever heard of payday loans being predatory he's why he's why he's the guy nobody said anything about him until this happened this is the guy who made the past five years it has become a a fucking punch line for yeah for broke people yeah but it's comedians because of him hacky's premise

in a payday loan payday loan he's going to get a payday loan because that means you're poor right it's just a it's just slang for your poor right so december 7 2017 this is an article from jalopnik.com by someone named alanis king uh who turned me on to this other article by bloomberg here this is about a rhode island man named andrew therian who had a loan collector approach him for money that he knew he didn't know and guess who that's from oh you bastard selling those lists and those fucking folios yep uh therian so this is a story here it's from bloomberg.com by a guy named zeke fall like like fake like foe oh f-a-u-s yeah i assume that means it's not his name maybe it's a homonym what is the word yeah no what is the word that they go

under it's not homonym never mind so there you go so uh theron here was interrupted. He's on the phone. He's doing sales and his wife calls him. She got a voicemail from a guy saying that Theron was in trouble and it said, I need to verify an address to present you with your formal claim. And he said that Andrew Theron, you're officially notified. So a few minutes later, Andrew Theron's phone rang and it was the same guy. He gave his name as Charles Wright and said Theron owed $700 on a payday loan. But Theron never took out a payday loan.

Doesn't know anybody's shit. Yeah. Yeah. He thought it was a scam. So he thought Cartwright. He said, I know this is bullshit. I don't know anybody, anything. Go to hell, basically.

So Theron says, he said, come by here by here asshole if you want to fucking talk to me i guess i went back and forth he goes all right if you got a fucking problem you can come on you know where i am so much you can come on down here and we'll fucking talk about it so the guy says i will and you're and i hope your wife is at home and then threatens to rape her oh my so that's probably the farthest i've ever heard a debt collector go as far as i'm going to come to your home and rape your wife i am stunned that's what like the hell's angels would threaten like literally that's what they would over seven hundred dollars you're gonna rape my wife man why do you take your job so serious that's a good right how seriously do you take your job

relax how much do you make a month seven hundred dollars over seven hundred over a week's worth i will reap your wife fuck man jesus and like he's not used to being told to go fuck himself when he's calling people for money they don't even know like isn't this a usual word that i assume you go yep i figured that and hang up and go to the next person he has been told no enough today yeah it's a lot he's ready to take it out on your wife fuck i would cry wow so this guy thiering got real angry as you might imagine as anybody would um so he said he was really pissed off and he made a decision at that point to find out who this guy worked for and who the fuck he was and he was going to make him pay no so uh at the

same time he's about to get fired yeah that's well at the same time minimum at the very minimum well no this is what the guy they were fine with the other guy with the the debt collector their company loves him that's that's their that's how they get the most money get their money so he worked that call uh he basically he said maybe that call is not a scam what if somebody what if some you know what if some like loan shark what if this is not a business with this some loan shark who has the wrong guy and he's after me he's gonna come fucking kill me for nothing so he didn't know what to do so then he remembered that cartwright the guy who called him cartwright got a quote-unquote left a number with his wife so he called the number back and uh anyway he basically spent the next two years following that number all the way to try to find

out where it came from the the end of the rainbow of assholes yeah and the end of the rainbow of assholes uh led to it to joel tucker which is scott's brother that's how he found out all of this shit so theron had been caught this is a fraud known as phantom debt where millions of people are happens all the time they sell to these scamming companies will sell lists of debtors to debt collectors these debtors don't actually owe money these are companies scamming debt collectors to pay for money of debts that don't exist so then these debt collectors call you to get the money that they paid for they paid for your your debt and now you don't even know

anything so they're trying to make you pay because according to their records you owe them money and they paid you already they already paid to get that money and it's all because tucker's a dick all because tucker's a fucking asshole. John Tucker. Why is that? Oh, Joel Tucker. Joel Tucker. So Theron here is doing all of this.

Apparently, this isn't new. There's a thing where they talk about inmates of New York's debtors prison joked about it back in 1800. What? In a newspaper they published called forlorn hope they talked about this exact scheme that you do it's 200 years old it's like the oldest trick in the fucking book basically truly yeah it's selling someone the brooklyn bridge or selling something selling someone some shit you don't own that's i mean that's all there is to it and so they can make a profit on it so uh yeah they scoop up troves of personal information that are available cheaply online, old loan applications, all sorts of shit, data from hacked accounts and stuff like that.

And they reformat it to make it look like a list of debts. Wow. Yeah. Then they make deals with debt collectors who will demand repayment of the fictitious bills. So everybody's getting fucked there. Their targets are poor usually if they made a payday loan they're poor and likely to already be getting confused they're already getting calls about now they're getting more calls um but some people are convinced

because the debt collectors seem to know so much about them based on all these documents that their debts are actually real and they pay them wow or they'll pay half of them or whatever uh so tucker sells that information to them for a small fee and then they go and try to make try to collect the money which yeah for tucker it's just it's just free made up it's free money yeah it's totally free money it's like in goodfellas like we just bring it in and bring it out the back and sell it at a profit there's no fucking that's how it works. So, yeah, he would... In 2012, a call center in India was busted for making, in eight months, these are false bill collect calls, eight million calls in eight months to collect made-up bills that didn't exist.

Just to company their whole... They didn't even buy debtor lists. They just made their own and just called as many people as possible, telling them they owed money. up bills that didn't exist just a company their whole they didn't even buy debtor lists they just made their own and just called as many people as possible telling them they owed money unreal and people just give you money because they think maybe i do owe money they seem to know a lot about me everybody listening you owe us a dollar fucking crazy you owe us a dollar everybody a dollar you know you owe we let you listen we lent you 10 cents do you remember that do you remember when you needed that 10 cents remember you needed that dime who was there for you

it was jimmy and james that's right we gave you that 10 cents all right fine so it's a little uh it's a little much it's a little steep but you needed the dime and we did provide it so we feel like a dollar recompense is really we feel minimal it's minimal nominal fee i feel like it's fair is what i'm getting at so that'll be a dollar so when you get when you sign into paypal just say just write our debt is now clear debt is clear you did borrow a dime you know you borrowed a dime you know you did you know you did no don't tell me you didn't because i know that you did so that's it is your social security number 37? And I think we took very good care of you.

I thought so. Some things consider treating you like family. We did. I wouldn't give a dime to just anybody, but I gave it to you. So the FTC has broken up at least 13 similar scams since then. In most cases, regulators are not able to identify the original perpetrators because the data data files have been sold and repackaged so many times they can't get to where they originally got sold from this guy wasn't taking no for an answer though this theron guy and uh he he said he was obsessed with payback he spent hundreds of hours investigating this that's what

happens when you tell a man you're gonna rape his wife that's what i mean yeah this is it isn't 700 they said i'm going to come to your house and rape your wife he said oh yeah oh well well here you go you just gave me a new hobby and it is finding you and hunting you like an animal right so uh he was he's like does like marketing for ice cream brands shit like that this thierry guy but in his spare time he's living out what they say here this is great from bloomberg he was living out a revenge fantasy he befriended loan sharks and blackmailed crooked collectors getting them to divulge their suppliers and then their suppliers above them wow he was finding these guys and fucking paying them off to get information which is brilliant brilliant uh he's like a prosecutor flipping gangsters.

That's what he's doing. He's just, you know, he's flipping a guy going up the chain. Fuck good humor, sir. Go work for the government. Or the mafia, one of the three. On the phone, he was a bad motherfucker, I guess, here. He dialed the number Cartwright left. A woman answered and said she worked for Lakefront Processing Solutions in Buffalo.

She'd never heard of Charles Cartwright woman answered and said she worked for late lakefront processing solutions in buffalo she'd never heard of charles cartwright and uh implied he must be some kind of freelancer or bounty hunter uh theron said uh she said theron could clear everything up by making a payment fuck you lady her records indicated he owed a payday uh owed money to a payday lender called vista theron uh once took out a loan but it wasn't from vista he'd been selling copiers at the time and his boss uh boss stiffed him on a twenty thousand dollar commission so he turned to an online lender to make a car payment he said he paid the debt back uh promptly he borrowed money from a family member to pay it back immediately he was uh

offended by the suggestion that he was a deadbeat he He said, I'm the person who believes in personal friggin responsibility. I signed an agreement and I fulfilled my obligation. I don't owe you shit. So on his laptop, he started digging. He found securities filing saying Vista had merged with a company called That Marketing Solution Inc. After paying a few dollars online to do a people search he did he uh got its president on the phone interesting so he said quote you sold my personal information to a

bunch of thugs he said he told the guy he said i want to know why and i want to know what you're doing going to do about it so within hours the company provided a letter saying that theron had never borrowed money from vista fantastic once he got to that armed with the proof that the debt was invalid he turned back to lakefront more searches yielded a corporate parent owned by two buffalo men theron called them then he called their lawyer this guy's fucking awesome oh yeah when the lawyer didn't do shit theron bombarded him with more calls his home phone his cell phone enough to put lakefront uh enough to really enough to where they never called him back he was now stalking them and they were like fucking stop calling that guy and and block his number he said he's gonna rape all of our wives he said all of us i'm i am like a 12

year old boy i'm just here to visit my dad he says he's gonna rape my wife it was wild i'm here on take your son to school day said he he's going to rape my wife. It's crazy. I don't want to put any of you in danger, but when I answered the phone, he said, do you want to know what it feels like to fly? Yeah. So it's pretty wild. So,

uh, the, they eventually reached a confidential settlement and lakefront, uh, declined to comment. So by the morning after the Cartwright call, he, uh,

he knew that he wasn't dealing with like a gangster or anything like that no one showed up at the house but uh he said let's get let's go further so more agencies contacted him apparently this somebody sold his info his wife his brother even his grandparents they called yeah so the calls made it clear to theron that uh there's something here going on so his name had to be getting on the list. So each night after his wife went to sleep, he'd crack open his computer and go through lawsuits and get filings and owners of agencies calling him.

He'd find the name, then he'd call them, oftentimes at home, scaring the shit out of them, and make clear that he wasn't going away until they revealed who their debt supplier for a portfolio was. I will call you every fucking night. I'll call your grandparents. I will rape your wife.

I will rape your grandma. Do you understand that? She's got it coming. Yeah. Evening. What are you having for dinner? I'm going to have your wife. Yeah.

Fucking wild. And this is a horrible thing, but obviously. That's what you do. Yeah. You know what? I don't fucking, I have zero sympathy for this guy's

gone full liam neeson like give me back my son he's losing his fucking mind here give me back my son that's what he's doing that's what he is here he said quote here's the deal i don't really care about you there's a million guys like you out there you'll never get your money back you might as well get blood out of it tell me what i need to know to put these guys in jail he said look you're not getting money so at least give me info yeah so sometimes he'd make a small payment on the fake deck that then check bank records just to see where it went so we'd pay it just to see where it routed to who ended up getting it so then he could follow it up like that so it would be worth 10 bucks to him to chase the money yep he found people with convictions for counterfeiting, stock fraud, drug dealing, and child molestation, of course.

Wow. He started a spreadsheet called Scums.xlsx. Yeah, he's doing a fucking Excel sheet here. Scums Excel sheet to keep track. This is great. He is awesome. On the weekend, he'd watch patriots games and harangue them from the couch in a boston accent i'm sure which is i hope he has three daughters i'm gonna

rape your wife i swear to god i'm gonna come down there i'm gonna come down there i'm gonna rape your wife where's grandma i'm gonna rape i'm telling you i'm saying you're fucked up buddy hey she's about to have a sam adams up her ass you're fucked up wicked hard i'm coming for you i'm telling you so good what so he just lost his third straight guess who's gonna pay your fucking mother it's your mother and your wife so he said he used his persuasion techniques he learned selling copiers uh on the phone and he said he was uh really good at this one payday lender tells him that he simply doesn't know why he speaks with him so frequently and uh that the guy that theron was a bully this is some criminal good so he would threaten to report the collectors to regulators unless they helped him figure out what was going on he said you're either

with me in this or you're against me he wrote one man uh one guy tried to shame him he said if my intentions are right i'll have god on my side he said you may not love poor people but he does that's what he said so he's trying to put god on him the targets were they didn't realize that he would be up their ass so much really um one shady debt teller uh debtor tells he thought he says he thought theron was an undercover federal investigator because he'd gathered so much information on his business. So he thought he must have, you know, records. He said it's this is Theron. It's an obsession.

It's unbelievable. An outright vigilante crusade. It doesn't seem to. Oh, this is the other guy. It doesn't seem to equal the harm that was done to him. You know what? Listen, man. Fuck you. That's Boston. Four point five million. Motherfucker to know. doesn't seem to equal the harm that was done to him you know what listen man fuck you that's

boston 4.5 million motherfucker too no you fucked with the wrong guy he's doing it for everybody he's got nothing else going on and he's got money so he's doing fine he goes yeah i don't get up i don't go to bed till one or two right i'm getting on the computer let's go pal those other 4.4 million people uh have jobs and they have to occupy their time trying to pay back all this fucking money this guy didn't need it uh yeah he's going for it with the wrong one son amazing he said that wow he didn't tell his family and friends that he was doing this at night it was like a hobby yeah and there's some shame involved too they're like his family would be like they didn't even bother you yeah it's like i'm gonna get it doesn't matter they're gonna

give me back my son they tuck him this one's for gronk it's for gronk i'm telling you fucking ridiculous so his uh jesus christ he would get mad again. And he said that this was, this was rage that he'd been struggling to suppress since childhood. He's been angry his whole fucking life. He said he grew up in Connecticut. His father was a factory worker. His mother had a series of part-time jobs. And he said they mistreated him and his brother.

And he moved out when he was 16 after an incident he won't discuss so hello mr ceo i hate my father i hate my father he says that he regrets not doing more to protect his brother his dad's dead and his mother denies she did anything wrong so he's he's softly pissed he's like i'm working out my problems i have for a long time now since I was a little kid. I'm going to use it calling on the phone. Yeah. So he apparently got a job when he worked at J.

Crew. Somebody was in there shopping and gave him a sales job because they thought he was a good salesman. And yeah, he said he takes it makes a good living and everything else. He says he says he just wants to pay his bills on time. He likes going to church on Sunday and taking care of people that are close to him. He said, quote, if it's just about me,

I don't particularly give a fuck. See, this is what I love about Boston. If somebody just says, I just want to take my family to church in the South, they'd never say that. Whereas Boston, like me, I don't give a fuck. I mean, who fucking cares, right?

Hey, father, you don't give a fuck, right? Father says he doesn't give a fuck. mean who fucking cares right hey father you don't give a fuck right my father says he doesn't give a fuck he said he also calls your mother a cunt i don't know if that is and the difference is if i order cannoli chocolate chip it doesn't show up whatever i'll eat the cannoli fine it's fine it's fine it's amazing but if everybody orders the fucking chocolate chip and everybody gets plain i'll fucking throw a table through the window. Throwing a table through the fucking window. Through the window. I'll tell you right now.

If it's just me, fuck me. But everybody, not fuck everybody. Fuck everybody. He said, if it's just about me, we got to make this guy a character. He's great. Just haunting you down. I want to hang out with him. And climbing through the window is Andrew Th theron going how is it you came to arrive here asshole theron's who'd you steal from motherfucker andrew is definitely going to

be a character he is he is gonna be liam neeson with a boston accent and that's our guy there andrew you are a jersey and everything i'm coming with you i'm coming if i got my willie mcginnis jersey on shows how long i've been a fan my teddy bruski shows how long i've been pissed off i've been pissed off for a long time so the whole the whole quote is quote if it's just about me I don't particularly give a fuck. You call my wife and you call my grandparents. You just opened the door that got really fucking ugly. And now I'm going to make sure that I just ruin your life. And then when I'm done, I'm going to go to church afterwards.

I got to take the kids. It's, you know, it's a sin. I'll beat your ass. I love this guy. That's why I love the East Coast right there. This is so good. This is why i'm leaving arizona so there is people like that it's great so as more people started to chill out uh

his he just kept doing it uh he eventually dropped his pursuit of charles cartwright figured that it's just somebody's alias all this he's just following this alias and um he wanted to focus on their business so he figured out um he's figured out how phantom debt works and how it's blended with real debts and how that way it's impossible to tangle because you might owe 200 bucks but then they just say you owe 500 bucks and they'll tangle it all up there this is how this works you've heard us attempt to make sense of rugby right uh now hear us hear us try to decipher financial scams here okay so um yeah it's basically from what i read here too americans are currently laid on more than 600 billion dollars in bills in late that's fucking wild oh my god one in 10 people has a

debt collect has a debt in a collector's hands one in ten one in ten has somebody calling them saying you owe us money somebody yeah um they recoup what they can and sell the rest down market so that you know shittier and shittier debt because debt that you haven't been able to collect the longer it goes the less you're likely you're going to be able to collect it so the people that will buy that debt are shady motherfuckers that are think i can get it from them i'll threaten to rape their wives yeah that's what it is so um yeah they get the same shit there's a lot of a lot of uh a lot of these companies have the same lists too because they'll sell them they aren't exactly upstanding people selling them the lists so um yeah they think it's fucking wild, man. So anyway, Theron needed he ended up finding all sorts of people here.

Some collectors told him they thought the files were partially legitimate. Others knew the paper was falsified, yet they continue trading it back and forth. So his search for the whole thing here, he ends up focusing on buffalo and uh he finds out that there's a lot of these places here because there's a lot of poor people in buffalo so that's one of those things uh debt collector is these are debt collectors kind of a common job but this this isn't you know what i mean doing this type of shit so he wore down buffalo debt collectors one name kept coming up they all kept saying the same name joel tucker who is scott's brother and uh yeah theron needed an ally inside this whole thing he found one in

frampton roland the third goes by ted he's an insurance broker turned predatory lender and he uh his company was listed as the original creditor for one of Theron's supposed loans. So Theron called Roland said he was sorry. And then he kept telling him shit. He said his life was falling apart. He's been sued by the FTC over his lending practices. He lost all his money and his wife was leaving him there and was like, well, that sucks.

You know, whatever. I'm going to rape here. Yeah. I mean, I guess, well, can you tell me where her forwarding address is?

Cause I'd like to go rape her if that's possible. Um, if you could just give me a forwarding, I mean, you might, well, can you tell me where her forwarding address is? Because I'd like to go rape her if that's possible. If you could just give me a forwarding, I mean. You might enjoy this for a minute. I'm going to rape her. It's awful. It's the worst episode we've ever done. We're so mad. I don't even care.

We're off next week. Guess what? You have a week to fucking relax about it. Calm down. Or a week to tweet us about it. Yeah, because I have. Wow. We've done a lot here so

uh anyway um this guy he this guy said he sensed that this guy was a guy who uh was willing to talk because he was like regretful regretful has nothing to lose right um they started to speak finally uh roland told theron he blamed tucker for everything tucker had created the local industry with his two brothers uh the middle son uh apparently blaine was a popular and talented musician the one who killed himself joel was tall and handsome and by the time he was 21 he was a bum so that's what happened uh anyway he ends up you know theron uh goes looking for joel tucker and he couldn't find him joel was twice divorced moved from place to

place ducking his creditors now too a booking photo from the time he was briefly imprisoned failed to show up for court and an unrelated lawsuit shows him with like some gray hair he's trying to find out who he is uh he couldn't find a working phone number he ended up reaching that the the 81 year old mother of the tuckers the mother tucker uh yeah she claims she didn't know where he was and and uh theron called her mother tucker and then of course obviously yeah threatened rape is what you do um clearly we're having violent sex yeah against your will uh theron's tactics grew more intense mirroring those of debt collectors that he loathed. He basically was going around muscling these guys. And,

uh, eventually he took his hypothesis of the whole thing. He said, Tucker's business had given him an access to huge database of people who'd applied for loans, including maybe one, the one Theron took out in his copier selling days. He said,

what if Tucker was broke, needed money, and he takes applicants, personal information, invented loan balances and sold it. So he was like like i think he just made it up so he takes all this to the fbi and the ftc and his emails were a little you know a lot but he ended up uh getting through to them they uh he said quote uh there are millions of people out there being threatened daily by these actions and i'm doing my part to try to stop it is what he wrote in the email. January 2016, a former employer

of employee of Tucker's agreed to arrange a call between him and Theron to clear the air. Great. He finally got to the head of the snake here. Found it. Theron couldn't believe that the guy was willing to talk. He's like, that's fucking amazing. He said he set

up a recording device in his office put it on speaker and he called him yeah he said tucker seemed hyper and defensive telling theory that if any of the portfolios he'd sold now contained phantom debt they must have been doctored after leaving his hands uh he said quote fucking shame on them wasn't me it had to have been them so he blamed other people for it dareron was you know trying to be calm here he said quote i'll tell you why i care i tell you i'll tell you why i care i believe and i'm just telling you what i believe you sold my personal information 21 separate times i've gotten close to 100 fucking calls and because i've gotten those 100 fucking calls from scumbag collectors that you facilitated

i'm going to make sure that this kind of shit ends now and uh tucker said you think this is my fault and theron said you got desperate because you spent two dollars for every dollar you had oh he's not fucking around he said so then tucker said what are you talking about are you trying to micromanage my life you don't know jack shit about me and he says i know what happened you fucking stole money from people i'm giving you the opportunity to come clean and tucker said i don't know who you are andrew who are you and he said i'm a person that you fucked with too many times i'm the guy that's gonna rape your wife this is terrible so bad throw tom that time you're terrible never mind tommy terrific he's tommy terrible so uh he said uh we need to get this stuff stuff resolved because this is not healthy for anybody is what he said on the tape.

So they started talking and texting. We got this guy to text with him. He says, I think he has a mental illness that allows him to think he did nothing wrong. That's what they're saying. It is. That's exactly what it is. He said he kept putting off interview reviews, interview requests. He didn't.

Tucker didn't respond. He wrote in one email, lies are not stories. And I won't participate in that story when they were asking Tucker. So he said the denials made him hate him even more. And it masked his feelings to keep the conversation going. He said that he soon obtained two crucial sets of documents. he soon obtained two crucial sets of documents. One in March of 2016,

he flew to California to meet a debt broker or handed over some contracts that Tucker signed. So then he got an email from the manager of a collection agency who's conscious he spent weeks appealing to. In the email, they go back and forth. Finally, 2016 in May, Theron emailed his discoveries to the FTC. A lawyer replied right back and said, Andrew, we need to talk about this.

So Theron gave his intel to private lawyers who were going after Tucker in Texas as well. So he was just helping all these lawsuits, people suing him and winning. That's Theron giving them information that they needed. Tucker told the court he was broke. I'm broke. So meanwhile, you know, this is a fucking disaster. Theron, he's still calling these people. He's still harassing anybody he could find.

Tucker seemed to be pleading for mercy. He said, quote, this is when Theron is talking to him. He begged Theron to drop his vendetta. He said, I fucking had enough harm done. I've lost a brother brother got a brother going to prison put it this way andrew i'm tired buddy i'm fucking tired and theron said i'm tired too because i'm still getting harassed by these motherfuckers if i hang up this phone it's gonna ring again it's gonna ring again so uh december 2017 uh the other tucker younger tucker

uh brother tucker yeah mother Tucker, brother Tucker, he's indicted for filing a false. I'm sorry. This is Scott again. Indicted for filing a false tax return. Really? Again, U.S. attorney in Kansas alleged he created a sham sale of his payday loan business to the Miami Indian tribe of Oklahoma for $120,000 while he controlled it.

So now that's also not only was he that a separate charge with that, now he's got a charge of tax fraud on that too. That's not good. No. It also says that he failed to report more than $117.5 million in income between 2009 and 2010. His accountant was also indicted.

Good. Yes. 2018 in January, Kevin Castle, a judge for the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, said basically split the difference here. They asked for this was the prison sentence. The prosecutors wanted 20. His lawyers wanted 15.

He gave him 16, 8. Nice. So kind of split the difference. February 2018, his cars are seized. All of his shit. 2018, his cars are seized. All of his shit. He has all of this shit,

and it's obviously going to be sold to pay back his debt of billions of dollars. The forfeiture order seeks government possession of Tucker's bank account, several Porsche and Ferrari automobiles, high-priced jewelry, two residential properties, one in Aspen, Colorado, the other in Leawood near the Hallbrook Country Club. Also,

at this time, U.S u.s bank has had a part in this they agree to pay 528 million dollars for their part in this uh two violations of the bank secrecy act there by u.s bank national association which is a subsidiary of theirs um yeah uh we don't need to go through what u. did. Uh, 2018 Joel's indicted. He's going to jail. He gets indicted to 15 count indictment here. Pretty much the same as his brother. Um, he's got pretty much the same shit going on here.

Um, he also has a $7.3 million, uh, uh, fine against him as well here. So September, 2018, the federal trade commission began issuing almost $1.2 million, our million checks, totally more than $505 million to the victims of Tucker's payday lending scheme. So they got some money back, but that's, I mean, dollars on the,

that's pennies on the dollar. Um, so, um, let's see here. Well here you know what we should do yeah the 1.3 million judgment he really needed oh you sir may fuck off definitely so he's fucked he's fucked i mean he's as fucked as it gets i think he's got a lot of problems he's got uh yeah i mean i don't feel sorry for him at all he'll never have two nickels rubbed together

no and if he does i hope someone comes and takes them from him and pays back what he owes other people. I feel sorry for Theron and all those people. I mean, I really do. I feel sorry for Theron's wife, especially being getting a rape threat against her. I mean,

I feel sorry for all these people really, Jimmy, but not nearly. Oh, there's so many. Sorry. As I feel for Scott Tucker, Scott Tucker solutions in Chicago, Illinois.

Financial advisor. Oh, no. Tax planning. Wealth management. I imagine trust to that guy. Poor guy. Yeah, it's not his fault. We don't have any proof.

Scott Tucker. Owner, Tucker Design Group in Scottsdale. Scott Tucker. Professional real estate agent and real estate investor, Kansas City. God damn it. So this poor son of a bitch is from the same town and he's got to have his fucking name on a sign. It's not his fault.

If you're looking for a house, call Scott Tucker. I doubt, don't take my word for it, but I doubt he'll steal billions of dollars from you. Probably true. Probably true. Scott Tucker, packaging and containers professional in Goodyear. Scott Tucker, owner of Talent Fusion in Indianapolis. Yeah. Scott Tucker, team leader at Fusion in Indianapolis. Yeah.

Scott Tucker, team leader at Fresh and Easy Neighborhood Markets. Oh, no. Right. And finally, Scott Tucker, detention sergeant at Maricopa County Sheriff's Office. So he's a prison guard, and he's in prison as well. He's just on the wrong side of the prison. Other side of the prison. Fuck yeah.

December 2018, he appeals the 1.3 billion dollar thing hey that's a lot come on here that's too much come on and they tell him nope it's good fuck you perfect we think it's perfect i think it's the right amount matter of fact you want to go for two should we give them two uh june 2019 asset sale uh he's selling a 45 well they're selling 4500 square foot hallbrook leawood estate filled with three floors of modern furnishings. Designer furniture pieces include B&B Italia, Lafer, blah, blah, blah. We'll go into exactly what it is. Seating.

Laser Industries Calcutta Green Velvet Sectional. Walter Knoll Low Profile Pebbled Leather Adjustable Sectional with Chais and Ottoman. Jonathan Adler Lampert Sectional Soal sofa coquette uh drapes velvet canopy chair pair of milo bauman for thayer cogman share green and cow high cube chairs jesus fucking great a lot of chairs uh all sorts of i'm not gonna go through the whole house but it's all these it's all every high-end shit uh that's just the chairs and then we got uh that's seating then there's furniture dining room table uh lucite modern dining room table uh the bed swedish king platform bed silver leaf and black lacquer dresser that is fucking

gaudy yeah glass top cocktail table with walnut base miscellaneous a variety of original large-scale signed artwork uh here um whole bunch of shit people i don't know because i don't know art uh art glass richard genori blanc de chine porcelain candelabra signed muhammad ali photo from the sunny liston fight selection of toomey luggage weber genesis special edition grill selling his grill vitamin x uh vitamix 520 what is that a fucking mixer taking his fucking shakes taking his bullet mixer jesus all clad programmable slow cooker they're taking the slow cooker steamest steam generator african feather juju hats the fuck he got those for model jets he already put them together they're not worth anything harman kardon avr 335 receivers pardon it's all fucking

electronics okay that's nice stuff uh yeah samsung 55 inch led smart tv lg 47 inch lecd uh two of those pirelli ferrari challenge trophies sennheiser wireless headphones uh all sorts of shit there subwoofer lamps sign shit um all sorts of towels pillows rugs they're taking the towel they're taking the what kind of a sick bitch takes the ice trays man they're taking the taking everything the bedspreads the pillows wow uh exercise all sorts of shit their stair master they have like their own gym uh closet men's and women designer closet to me luggage large selection of men's size 32 waist nine or ten shoes they're selling his fucking shoes cycling and workout gear from lulu lemon and pearl oh my god to me luggage women's clothes

prada mark jacobs selling the woman's lulu lemon selling uh nike all this shit did he have a wife yeah wow oh yeah yeah she's gonna lose everything oh yeah she did now she lost her Lululemon. She lost everything. Zuki Safari dyed fur jacket. What? I mean, ice metallic down feather filled puffer jacket. You know, nothing. Wow. Taking it all. Taking it all.

February 2020 auction time. Four cars are being auctioned off here. A 2011 Ferrari 599 SA Aperta. Aperta. A 2011 Ferrari 599 SA Aperta. A 2011 Ferrari 599 XX. A 2011 Porsche 911 GT2 RS. Those are sick. And a 2005 Porsche Carrera GT.

And yeah, that's what they're selling here is the Carrera GT. Fuck, yeah. It's one of those. Those different with the fucking... Yeah, with the fucking double bubble over the engine. And there's the Ezra Wild. Those are so fast. It's so much money.

It's so much money. It's hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's ridiculous. So the cars in total auctioned a NAB $3,785,000, which goes right to his victims. Yeah. Yep. It is $1.6 million for the ferrari 599 the ferrari

or the 599 sx the sa aperta was for 1 million 25 000 2005 carrera gt 650 grand uh let's our 690 and the 911 gt2rs went for $470,000. And that is, they're selling it back to everybody trying. That's it. Can't get enough? Well, I'll tell you this. His current net worth that I found, even if it's true or not, is $100,000. I doubt he has that, and that'll make you feel

a little bit better. Fuck this guy. Fuck Scott Tucker. Fuck him. Fuck his wife. Fuck them all. Fuck his brothers. Bunch of sc all fuck his brothers bunch of scumbags everybody they're right they robbed four and a half million people that's insanity mother tucker knew too mother tucker news uh maybe who knows who knows she's a mother tucker they were taking care of her you know yeah they had to have been i would hope my sons are doing great i'm just i'm doubt they were like hey mom this is what we is what we do. Okay. We get the run businesses. They run. They're nice white collar boys.

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Unbelievable. Thank you. Vanya Venter, Melissa Turner, Joanne Ahern, Britton Edwards in Atlanta, Josh Denton's wife or girlfriend, Becca. I think it's his wife. Her name is Becca. She's having a birthday. Well, happy birthday.

And he says to pack your bags. You're going on a trip. Oh! Congratulations. Where are they going? You on a trip oh congratulations you won the you won the trip you did a showdown they did there's also gareth lock he runs a uh a small town murder group on uh facebook thank you gareth thank you uh i think it's his i think it's his birthday too no it's not it is no happy birthday possibly to you if not david put in your pocket for when it is your birthday it's still a big deal to him uh cassandra

thompson and michael foran are foreign i don't know thank you guys truly for everything you do other producers this week are craig ventura sarah pixie de leon, Sonny Johansson, Brendan Ables, Shannon Colorado. That's my fucking cousin. Hey, Shannon. Thank you very much. She's just grateful that everybody bought cookies from Lucy. The Girl Scout cookies were a big deal. Thank you, guys.

Just eating truffles from her yesterday. Thank you, Shannon. You're helping send Lucy to New York. Thank you, guys. Yes. Other producers continuing are Thomas Smith, Froggy Fred, Meg Megalovic. Yeah. You know, you know her. Eileen Merriman, David Korba, Charles.

Nope, that's Carl Kirshner. I put a fucking umlaut. How did I do an umlaut? That's not how his name is spelled. I did it last weeklaut. How did I do an umlaut? That's not how his name is spelled. I did it last week, too. I did. Corporal Kirshner got an umlaut. Julie Romenke.

Cherie Bird. Melissa Allen in L.A. Thank you, Melissa. James Marder. Elizabeth Kezavicia Columbus. Kezavicia. I'm never going to do this right. Cindy Wilkin.

Peyton Meadows. Kent Dorfman. Dustin Martin's wife, Danny, had a birthday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Maria Kip Soosley. Charles Richardson. Mandy Peterson.

Jessica Finch. Troy Moriarty. Ashley Veo. Zachary Bunea. Jason C. is looking for a pen pal. Shelly Roberts. Parker Bromet. Susie Sunshine. Ethana. Jason C. is looking for a pen pal. Shelly Roberts. Parker Bromet. Susie Sunshine.

Ethan Moore. Derek Pearson. Randy Lofton. Brandon. Brendan. Brendan Bauer. God damn it. Tracy Lozada.

From the Dark Podcast. William Lee Noel. Corey Es... Fucking Espatia. You're on a roll. I was trying. Tommy Howard. Amber Uglow. No Uglow, Jimmy.

You. I'm doing my best. Uglow, damn it. I really am. So is Amber. Aaron Browning, Stephen Charles, Don Kelly. It was Amber. It was Amber.

I hope I got it right. Don Kelly. Bella Lagenzi. Susan Judy. Lindsay Datko. What? Datko? I spelled that wrong for sure.

And I typed that. Whatever that is, I typed it. Matt Haas. My damn chicken scratch off fuck this is roman steve jobs and your goddamn script uh ena schooner david cox kristin roberts kurt right at ratima brandon cack what catcher meyer cack Cackermire Brandon Coleman also Jazzy Danger Brandon No that's Bruce Bruce Millis no that's Mills

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Where Wallace at? You happy about it, Steve? Bunker the Golf Dog. John Boland. Joan Hutton. Libby's uncle. Evan Grieg. Courtney Thompson. Jordan Vargas. Jordan. Nope, the golf dog. John Boland, Joan Hutton, Libby's uncle. Evan Greig, Courtney Thompson, Jordan Vargas, Jordan. Nope, that's Jason Bunting.

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God fucking damn it. Jimmy. How do you do it? That's Bobby Jueberger over there. They make the best Jueburgers this side of the Mississippi, I'll tell you what. Look, it couldn't be funnier if I planned it. Like, that is embarrassing. uh ryan booth evie tatum kate cat simmons joseph williams emily cuber ryan coughlin lee pressman christopher weber kyle dombrowski nicholas collins mickey barrios kelly preston

probably not uh she's dead gene and angie right definitely not gene and angie vander creek tia imes nicole mckinley nicole nope that's kevin barnum uh caitlin hawk shelby busher and somehow there's an umlaut there i don't know what the fuck i'm doing i don't know how are you finding the umlaut button jimmy i don't know if you're struggling to find the umlaut i can't help you because I have no fucking idea what I'm doing wrong or right. Either way. You found it, though, Jimmy. That's the important thing. I don't know where you found it.

I don't know what language. I don't know what German keyboard you got from Austria or some shit, but you have an umlaut. I don't know what the fuck's happening. Light Me at Five. I think that's a podcast. Probably Open Mic Podcast. I'm not sure. Zero Tolerance. That might be a podcast also. Open Mic Podcast. I'm not sure. Zero Tolerance.

That might be a podcast also. I have no fucking idea what these are. Megan Petty. That might be a podcast. Danielle Tebow. Kate would know last name. Timothy Lemon. Sunshine would know last name.

Steven Anderson. Matthew Stencil. Touch Stone. William Routledge. Whitley would know last name. Presley Anderson. Ken McGarry. Dwight Bonner.

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Charles Chapman. Dianera. And Evangelio. I'm the most uncultured fuck. Charles Moore with no last name. Wait, that is the last name. Oh, good. Porous Bianca Shutt.

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That was pretty easy. Lindsay Witter. Caleb Wertz. Shawna Pittman. Ashley with no last name. Jennifer Sargent. Taylor Sinclair. Atlantis Talbot.

Shiny Bay Leaf. I haven't been in a while, so you're wrong. Yeah, I know. It's been a minute. Shiny Bay Leaf. Derek Eckermann. Oh, that's brutal. James Fessette. Aaron esposito lizzie marsh

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last name. Max, the London barrister. Yeah. Wig and all. What's a barrister? What is that? It's a lawyer. Am I stupid?

Okay, there you go. All right. He wears a wig, too. Good for you, Max. I love the wig barrister, man. You gave us money, so I'm not calling you a douchebag. Yeah, it's a good man.

He's a great person. I don't know douchebags. Ann and Mike Keating. Michael Keating. Patrick Cook. Aaron Cooper. Virginia with Mike Keating. Michael Keating. Patrick Cook. Aaron Cooper. Virginia with no last name. Chelsea Barker.

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Oh. I don't want to know what that is. They jizz and Doe, Jimmy. I'm disturbed by this. That's disgusting. Margaret Bobo Dancy. Dusty with no last name. Emma Butler.

Mark Alexander. Alexandra Johnson. Jack Hough. Anderson Aaron. What? Is that Aaron Anderson? Hey, let me ask you this, though. Do you think it makes it rise fluffier?

Is that what it is? Jesus. If you whip it, it does get fluffier. Is it like a meringue, then? You know, you hold the bowl upside down over your head and make sure, or what? Oh, I'm so grossed out. It's a jizz meringue everyone yeah lovely try that for christmas this year put that on a pie everyone

surprise i'm gonna throw up this took me a lot of work i have no idea okay holy hours just fucking hours i'm exhausted eat this fucking pie i'm going to bed i've been slaving over this cock i mean so long both really all right anderson aaron or aaron anderson toby uh toby ferguson rosalyn ryan elizabeth flanagan brian lund ellen nope that's glenn not ellen hillman uh blingo bingo uh ling fucker what super dope super duper pooper good for you you. Thomas with no last name. Avery with no last name. James McGoldrick. Blasphemous JP.

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