Crime in Sports - #262 - Welcome To Death Row - The Burgeoningness of Marion "Suge" Knight

Episode Date: July 6, 2021

This week, we try to scratch beneath the surface of a man who has had untold success. Not in sports, but in the entertainment industry, after a brief stint in the NFL. Founder of Death Row Records, and perpetrator of more crimes than we can even talk about. And those are just the things he's actually been convicted on, not to mention, drugs, guns, Tupac, Biggie... He's larger than life, and we can't stop marveling at what a crazy life it is!!  Have an NFL dream, turn that dream from football to music, and run your record company like the Gambino Family with Marion "Suge" Knight!! Check us out, every Tuesday! !We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!  Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail]  Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurde See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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live show yeah and so it's been a couple of months so we figure virtual live shows got pictures so there's less information when we do those so i figure there's a little more in depth and uh no pictures obviously because it's audio but we're're doing Suge Knight, everybody. Can't get much more famous than that. Tremendous. And he played football for a minute. So there you go. It's an athlete. And you'll say our last episode was a football player, too.

Yeah, it was. Sure enough. Yep. And? We don't have an equal number of athletes in everything left. It's not. There's like three baseball players, 15 football players 20 boxers it's it's all mixed up so you're gonna you might get you know whatever who knows what you're gonna get you're gonna get funny goddamn stories that's what you're gonna get

so listen if you want to if not i don't care go fuck yourself let's do it marion hugh knight Marion Hugh Knight. You're damn right it is. Marion Hugh Knight Jr. Hugh. Hugh. Single Hugh. Hugh. Yeah. Marion Hugh. Hugh.

Hugh. I've heard of old guys are named Hugh. Yeah. You know? They're usually 70 or so. Oh, they're, yeah. Hugh is a man who's been dead for 20 years. Yeah.

That's what a Hugh Downs. Yeah. The guy on, what was, I don't know, one of those news shows, 2020 maybe or some shit like that. 60 Minutes. Hugh Downs. That's about it. The guy on, what was, I don't know, one of those news shows, 2020 maybe or some shit like that. 60 Minutes. Hugh Downs. The guy on Leave it to Beaver. Oh.

Hugh Beaumont. Yeah. Who was, you know, 40 years old in 1956. So I'm sure he's been dead for fucking. Born in the teens. He might have been. He might have been dead before we were born. So there you go.

This is what I'm talking about. Long time ago. Terrific. A guy who, you know, has memories world war ii and then was on television so marion hugh knight jr sounds like a very large tough man doesn't it it really doesn't uh he uh he's born april 19th 1965 yeah and he grows up in compton california obviously actual compton yeah if you're not from here if you've never heard rap music that's how if you've missed dry in la and it's it's you know known as a a tough area and shit like that and uh it's he's not poor though like he's got he's

very middle class stably middle class he's born to a family who names people Hugh. Hugh and Marion and things like that. So, yeah, when he came in, too, when his parents moved there, it was the early 60s and mid 60s. So Compton was still it wasn't even all black yet. It wasn't all minority at that point, like in a minority neighborhood. It was just a mixed neighborhood of working class people. That's what it was considered at the time. So he, in 1969, obviously, is when Suge is born, and they're in Compton. And Suge, they call Sugar Bear.

That's why his name is Suge Knight. Because mom called him Sugar Bear because he was just so sweet. Yeah. Only gangsters call me Suge. This man. Later in life, he let gangsters, straight gangsters call him Suge. Took his mom's nickname for his childhood sweetness and made that his gangster calling card. Like a southern waitress. I want gangsters to call calling card like a southern waitress i want

gangsters to call me things that a southern waitress would call me yeah honey doll honey doll and sweet sweetheart sugar suge jesus christ i guess it's a smidge better than hummingbird but whatever i mean i've heard worse but it's not the toughest name. Let's just say that. Especially when you know where it comes from. If you don't know where it comes from, who knows? Maybe it's because he had such big piles of cocaine it looked like sugar. It could be anything.

You know what I mean? You'd put something tough on it, but you wouldn't just go, well, his mom said he was sweet as can be. She called him Sugar Bear. Wow. Hilarious. Wow bear wow hilarious wow wow wow by the time he becomes you know he's coming of age here in the 70s he uh he's born in 65 so he's coming of age in the early 70s it's when the kind of gang culture of the area really starts to become very very prominent gangs were around before that but this is when they started really organizing,

were much bigger and had a kind of a blanket, more of a blanket effect on the area here. And little Krip, he's, Shug is a famous blood. That's his, I mean, he's always talking about the bloods. If you've seen him, he's always wearing giant red suits. Which is fascinating. It's crazy. the Bloods. If you've seen him, he's always wearing giant red suits. Which is fascinating. It's crazy. It really does. It looks like, and they're giant, like, weird preacher suits that he wears.

When he goes to, like, an outing back in the day, it looked like Steve Harvey just murdered somebody. And then shaved his head to try to fucking change his appearance. And he just soaked in blood. That's what it looks like. One of the top ten reasons i would want to murder you suge would always have to so uh to give a little history of the gang stuff here just to kind of uh you know just a little history on it uh we always like to do shit like that yeah the crips were the first gang obviously we're talking bloods and crips here now there's a lot more gangs yeah it expanded at the

time bloods and crips and uh it was first first it was the crips the bloods are a branch off of the crips yeah that's the thing the bloods were a part of the crips who got beat up by a bigger part of the crips and were upset about it so they wanted their own thing they started their own gang and basically the blood started as pissed off crypt sect yeah the sects that they found all over the city that were like so the bloods off crypt sex that sounds pissed off crypt sex that's right that's right i'm gonna wipe you off with a blue bandana afterwards yeah crip sex angry so that's the like the the crips had areas like it was you know this area gang in this area this street this street yeah the blood started out not with an area they didn't have an area they had just gangs in

certain pockets yeah so that had an advantage of being able to mobilize in different areas because they had people that knew different areas rather than just a bunch of people in one neighborhood. But, you know, they were kind of spread out, which didn't help them a lot, basically. Sure. So that's how it ended up coming about. And the blue and red thing, Crips just wore blue. Bloods just wore red because the Cri wore blue just to be opposite that was literally just the opposite and uh we've anybody who's seen these documentaries knows to the extent yeah of ridiculousness yeah that the bloods and crips took the opposite yeah not just the color just the opposite of things replacing letters and words with you know replacing b's with c's and c's would be fucking ridiculous in language and just too much it's too that's exhausting yeah so let me get this straight all right hold on a second i gotta hold down the neighborhood yeah i gotta you know sell drugs and stuff because i'm not gonna be working at the ups store while i'm doing this you gotta do all this shit because then i'd have to wear brown yeah yeah which isn't my color they don't allow me to

wear red there. No, it's fucked up. I guess I could work at, what is this? Once it gets to the 80s, I can work at Blockbuster Video. They have blue. But other than that, I'm in trouble. And Blood's working at Target. That's it.

They work at Target. Yeah. Target and QT. I got to do this. And then after that, I have to like carry a gun all the time. And I have to be worried that other people are going to shoot me for shit I didn't even do. Right. Just because someone else did other things, and then they're mad, so they drove by and shoot at my house because I'm outside.

I have to worry about all this. And on top of that, it's just too much. I got to rearrange the alphabet. Yeah. On top of all that, every time I speak, I have to be fucking worried about what letters are places. It's just too stressful. Are you cognizant of bees? They are so prevalent, you guys.

It's so stressful. Think about that. That'd be more stressful than anything. I mean, Jesus Christ. Especially if you live in Compton and you're blood. Where are you from? That is insane behavior. Bompton.

Fuck. Almost said the wrong thing yeah so yeah that'd be very very uh jesus christ very very annoying so this is where the original pyroos came from and the pyroos were they're kind of the first blood gang yeah that's crips that's uh that's suge's blood bloods here they're the original ones who broke off from the Crips and all that. So they're of a rebellious nature, even for gang members. These guys are, at the time, the ones who started it out, which they tend to look for people in their mold. And so you get particularly ruthless, they're known to be. And at the time, they were smaller back in the day, too, so they kind of had to be that's the way it worked so but shug through

all this he didn't grow up in the gangs no you would imagine that he did but he didn't he wasn't even he was not even involved in that he had a nice middle class childhood shug's a big motherfucker as we know he's a big six foot four you know 300 pound dude 280 pounds in his you know prime back then before he was fatter but he uh before he's drinking too much champagne smoking too many cigars uh before that though you know so he had the out of like you could get fucked with or you could be in a gang or you can be an athlete. Those are the three. Those are the three tiers to choices.

If you're an athlete, you know, nobody likes you. Yeah. Nobody bothers you because you're doing a different thing. You know what I mean? So it's like then you get almost like the like above the rim syndrome where you get like, you know, don't fuck with that dude. He's playing ball type of thing, you know. Whereas you hear about that a lot. Yeah. Where, you know, guys were not like, nobody would let them fuck up

because they were doing something wrong. Keep them on the right path. What the fuck are you doing? You want to be on the block selling rocks with me? You want to go out there and play your game? Yeah, yeah. It's fucking weird. I can't remember.

Paul Pierce figured it out. Who the fuck? I just watched something on somebody it was just like that like they were trying to run the streets and like drug dealers in the area were like man fuck you they're like no we ain't fucking with you yeah hilarious yeah treated them like they were you know a pregnant woman and fucking nino brown with a pregnant woman just not happening so but he's got two he's got two parents. They both work. His dad, Marion Senior, is a janitor at UCLA. So he's got a good job with benefits. Maxine works on an assembly line in an electronics factory.

Makes good money. Does fine. Like, they do well. They're, like I said, very stable-y middle class. And they're like, picture Ice Cube and Friday. You know what I mean? Like, that seems to be the household. Just a blue-collar household. and they're like, picture Ice Cube and Friday. You know what I mean? That seems to be the household, just a blue-collar household in a neighborhood where not everybody's having that experience.

They got ham and the burger, though. They got everything. It's fine. Yeah, it's going well here. So he ends up being an athlete, like I said, so he letters in both football and track all four years of high school. So, yeah, he's a good athlete. He really is. And so he stays at all that gang shit.

Like, he's not involved in that. He knows the guys. He goes to school with them, you know, when he's younger and grows up with them. But he's not involved in any of that shit. He goes on a football scholarship to El Camino Community College. Which, you know, the dream. Right. It's a dream, really, for everybody when they're growing up, I think.

Yeah, you play football as a young child and you're like, someday I'm going to play for El Camino Community College. And it's going to be something. What a shitty old car. I'm going to go to Toronado Community College. It's going to be wild. Looking forward to it. I'm thinking about transferring to Ranchero, but I don't know yet. I'm going to go to Toronado Community College. It's going to be wild. I'm looking forward to it. I'm thinking about transferring to Ranchero, but I don't know yet. I'm not positive, but Ranchero Community College is a really good school.

It's good. It's excellent. You should try it out. So he does well in El Camino, so well that in 1985 he transfers to UNLV. So that's a big school. Yeah, that's bigger. More of a basketball school at that's a that's a big school yeah that's bigger more of a basketball school at the time yeah but still a big school and you know in a bit in another big city getting out of home yeah it's a you know it's a big step not too far from home not too far driving distance a few hours in the car he's uh 260 pounds at this point which i don't think he

sees that again probably ever ever yeah i mean he's maybe three years after he's dead he'll be 260 again but other than that it's gonna be a while it's gonna be a while i haven't seen him a pound under 330 ever so even when he dies he's gonna get a little bigger before he gets smaller yeah i mean his bones probably weigh 180. He's a big dude, and then he's going to keep a lot of girth on him for a while, I feel like. It's going to be... It's going to take longer to decompose, I feel like. There's just a lot in there.

It's not even just biological matter. It's just stuff. I don't know what's in there. It's just stuff. It's like a shoe in there. I don't know what happened. A t-shirt I saw. Things he just touches.

He absorbs it. Some aluminum sidings in there. It's like a shoe in there. I don't know what happened. A t-shirt I saw. Things he just touches, he absorbs it. Some aluminum sidings in there. It's just things. It's a door frame he just absorbed it. Super weird. He goes to a fireworks show, comes home, just a bottle rocket comes out of there. He's like, what happened? What's going on here?

Just doesn't know. Just takes it all. So he ends up being a starting defensive end at one point here and he's uh he ends up being voted unlv's rookie of the year awesome which is fucking impressive yeah that's not too shabby i mean that's respect of your teammates yeah that's a you know a teammate a team voted award and he all ends up being elected defensive captain too the next year that's great so that's a big deal. He's a leader. I mean, he always is a leader later on.

That shows. For good or ill, he leads. In what direction is another question. I mean, but he's leading somewhere. So in 85, the UNLV running Rebels are 5-5-1. Not spectacular in any aspect here uh i looked at their their roster the only guy i could find that would really ring any bill bells is icky woods is on the team the entire time suge is there that is wild so the you might know icky woods either if you're older from the bengals in

the late 80s early 90s or if you've been alive the last 10 years, he's on commercials doing his Icky Woods dance. He's an older man wearing a Bengals uniform. It's wild. You know, rocking to one side, rocking to the other, and then like spiking down a loaf of bread. That guy. Woo! Woo! Doing the Icky shuffle.

Icky Woods knows Jugknife. I mean, he knows him. They've seen each other's cocks a hundred times they read the same playbook that's crazy they could intimately describe each other's ball sex that's a that's knowing someone i feel like it's weird to be like as a as a kid growing up with shug's music and i'm not necessarily his music but you know what i mean yeah should produce yeah and even produce shug stuff that was involved in his name's on the cd liner thing in 92 that's all we know but that guy uh knows somebody that was playing football

before i like you know really was super involved in it oh yeah it's unbelievable he's his pal yeah he could call him up icky ick ick hey ick what up shug what up shug ick and shug hi yes no we're two grown men yeah how you doing ick and shug nice to meet you couldn't sound more opposite of each other no and they did the same thing yeah and then they had diverging paths we'll say wildly different paths very different so in 86 the running rebels are six and 6-5, and not too much better. Picked up a win where they had a tie. Yeah, there you go. Not too spectacular, nothing great.

And he wins first-team all-conference honors. Oh, bigger award. Yeah, it's for the whole conference. He's doing well. I mean, that conference isn't spectacular back then, let's be honest. But still, you can only do as well as you can do you know and he's the best person at that position that's right i love when there's like an undefeated college team and people talk shit about them well blah blah blah it's like well

they did all they could do right yeah they weren't scheduled against ohio state but is that they weren't scheduled against them they beat every team that they were it was on their schedule so they had to play they played them they played They played them. They played them well. I know colleges, they make their own non-conference schedule, but they beat all the goddamn conference teams they had to play. And you know what? No one fucking else is undefeated, so what are you talking shit for? It's impressive.

Right. Shut up. I hate that all the time. Oh, they're undefeated, but so what? I mean, so what? That's hard. What team did you play for the one undefeated that's what i'm saying you have bad days everybody has fucking bad days they didn't so that's that's gotta mean something what's your nick bonacotti shut the fuck up yeah exactly zach shut up bob greasy suck my dick eat shit mercury morris i'm not talking to you larry Zonka. Fuck off. Listen, not that team.

You ain't shit. Shut up. No, nothing. God damn it. So they go there. This is the weird thing. This is the last time. Shug is regarded by all at this point as a big, happy-go-lucky.

I mean, he's got, you saw it. It's like a big Jerry curly Afro. It's a lot of hair. It's like a loose fro. It's unbelievable. It's a happy man. Where's that hairstyle?

You know what I mean? Like he's known as a big jokester, like a big guy with a big voice and a big joke and a personality. Hey, how you doing? Got along with everybody. And just like Shge's just the big happy-go-lucky guy that's what he's known as which i don't think he'll ever be known as that

again he's not everyone's like he's very frightening man back then people go hey it's suge there he is they didn't even call him suge yet still stuck with sugar bear yeah hey sugar bear he's so sweet he's so sweet sugar bear he's sweet man so uh very friendly uh even known to not really indulge in drugs or alcohol doesn't even chase women that much he parties a little but he's literally known to like go home early you know what i mean the parties rage and it's 12 30 he's like i'm gonna get out of here you guys are crazy practice in the morning all right see you guys later he had a couple of drinks and you know maybe felt a titty or two and made a couple of you know circles around the room and that sort of thing finally slunk out that's all he said all right fellas i gotta get some rest

you know me i hit the sack so i can have energy in the morning i'm the early bird gets the worm and he takes off very strange thing at this point and uh he starts all he does is uh anytime he has extra time he works actually he's a bouncer at a club and uh he works there and the problem is i feel like maybe that led to other things because if you work at a bar or even at a restaurant doesn't even have to be at a bar right basically everybody that works at bars and restaurants in my experience it's about 85 percent uh do a lot of drugs and shit it's just a thing and if they don't do them they certainly know how to get them very easily. The restaurant I worked at, I was, I believe, the only person there who didn't do coke all the time. And I can't tell you the number of times everyone was like, I'm going to do coke. I'm going to do some lines.

I'm like, no, I don't at all. You don't know that this is insane. No, I'm not doing that. But that was so common. It's just people who are up. They get off of work at midnight no one else is awake yeah they hang out with each other and you know that's i'm not going to sleep yet i just got off work i'm yeah i'm still i'm still rock starring right now you get home from work

at six o'clock do you write to bed or do you need to unwind eat dinner watch tv hang out you have a couple of drinks that's what the safe that's what other people do they get work in the middle of the night they're not like oh boy let me get some sleep so I can get up and be with the rest of the population. I really need to see everybody. That's not what they do. So that's on their own schedule. Yeah.

It's an insulated lifestyle and it just, you meet people who do things at night, you know, especially out. Yeah. And if you're a bouncer, like I was a bouncer for a couple of years, you there's,

you meet everybody when you're about, everybody tries to get you're a bouncer, like I was a bouncer for a couple of years, you meet everybody when you're a bouncer. Everybody tries to get the bouncers on their side until they come talk to you. It's a weird thing. You let people in. They want to feel, when they come, they want to feel welcomed in there. They don't want to have someone just go, ID. Right.

They want, hey, it's fucking Bill. He's the best. Who he got with you? Yeah, a couple of Elliot's hop rods with Bill. He's the greatest. That's what they're looking for. So, you know, they all do that. And I feel like maybe that was a part of what and it's easy to go in the wrong direction to influence that guy uh to to be that guy for you oftentimes you are

that person is given all kinds of things between drugs or money depending on which and depends on what your proclivities are you don't know anybody's proclivities till you ask yeah and you you gotta offer coke to find out this guy doesn't do coke that's the thing and depending on what kind of club it is if it's a club that has vip rooms and shit like that you've got those people bouncers get money and blow jobs and drugs and all sorts of things like that to allow people there's a whole separate economy going on in a nightclub that I don't know if everybody realizes, but it's definitely happening. Other than the one where you trade drinks for pussy. Yeah, that's the other one.

There's plenty of economies happening in there. There's a lot of different sub-economies. I was going to say finger out, but don't do that. Finger it out? No, don't finger it out. But I'd love to send like a like a harvard economist somebody that and just have him break down or have her or whatever the fuck it is i want a chart of all the different yeah all the traded for what all the black markets that are happening in here and all the different things and you have this quadrant where this is going on these people are

doing this for for drugs and then this is a money transaction over here it's fun this is for sex i'm very interested to say what are the currencies that work and that's what happens in those places and that's why i don't got one that's yeah not the thing uh so shug was amazing though his coach wayne nunnally said uh at one point he told tmz sports that shug is quote the exact opposite of a thug is what he was at UNLV. This is all ridiculous. Later on, he was like, you're out of your mind. This guy is the most stand-up guy in the world.

He said he was a good guy. He said, quote, imagine the total opposite of the guy you know now. That was Shug. Fascinating. That's it. He also said, quote, hell of a player. One of the most respectful, hardworking guys I ever had. One of our leaders.

I don't know what happened when he put his pads down. Yeah. Something. Another coach here said, quote, Knight played his butt off. He said Knight was a yes, sir, no, sir kind of guy. The type of player any college football coach would love to have on his team. That's fucking wild, isn't it? Yeah.

He said that there was no problems. There was a bunch of other players on the team that got in trouble. Somebody had gotten in trouble for stealing video and stereo equipment. Somebody beat up an off-duty policeman. Another one was accused of sexual assault. Oh, no. And this guy said that he said quote he never gave me a problem in any way suge was never there suge was not the guy nope not the

guy uh just not the guy um he uh suge though says that it's kind of a uh it was kind of his strategy with the coaches he knew how to if you played athletics for a long time you know how to get over on coaches and he'd say he said quote And he said, quote, I'd say something like that, and then I'd play the dumb athlete role and say, okay, coach, I lost my books. And then they'd get him new books. That was one of those things. Like, if he was failing something, they'd go, what happened? He goes, oh, I lost my books. I left them at the library.

And they'd go, oh, that poor show. Well, we'll get you new books then. You'll be fine. Get out there on the field. It's a $600 mistake. Yeah. He just, oh man, I just did that. Or, oh, you know, whoopsie daisy.

That's what he would do. And they handle it and they would go, oh man, that poor show. Okay, let's get him taken care of. He said, quote, they'd give him brand new books and, uh, and he'd sell them to make extra cash. And then he'd say, I lost my books and they get him more books. He went through the book scam like fucking 10 times. Just make a few extra bucks.

Good for Shug. I mean, college is, you've got to make a couple extra bucks. I get it. I understand. In 1987, his senior year, they said he left after his junior year, came back for his senior year. And he was night and day different guy. Changed in two months he went from happy-go-lucky shug to sullen mysterious yeah death row not hanging out with like his teammates anymore

like aaron hernandez weird level type of shit um also another difference in him is he all of a sudden he had a shitload of money yeah and he rented a really nice apartment by himself good for him and he had like brand new cars he's doing great better than most college kids better than most i would say college graduates who've been in the workforce for 20 years the way he's throwing money around and buying bmw's and shit first team all conference pays really well apparently it pays great you you get all sorts of perks with that. They said now, out of nowhere, too, he had visitors all the time coming from home. People coming from Compton to hang out with him. And people in and out that looked, they said, looked a little shady. And he became known throughout his senior year.

By the end of his senior year, he was known as the biggest drug dealer on campus. Hilarious. Nine months. Nine months. Nine months. He went from happy-go-lucky Suge, never had a problem, hell of a nice guy, to the biggest drug dealer on campus. Sugar Escobar. Yep. Sugar Escobar.

People bringing shit in from Compton every week for him. But on the field, the Rebels are five and six this year. Mediocre doesn't even begin to describe it for this team they're just a mediocre team and uh soon as football ends you know football ends mid mid year yeah for a college year november december right yeah the end of december is the end of the conference championships and all that shit so mid-december bowl games happen through january yeah that's not even the the end of December is the end of the conference championships and all that shit. So mid-December. Bowl games happen through January. Yeah, that's not even the end of the second semester yet. Shug just leaves college and goes back to Compton and assumes football's over.

I'm going to go there now. Yeah, he's like, I'm not going to care for school. School's five more months. Yeah, this is ridiculous. I'm going home. This is crazy. So he goes back home, but he played football and he did well. We said he's all conference and all that.

So fingers crossed for the draft in 87. Yeah. Not bad. So number one overall. I know you don't remember this because it's been 10 episodes since then. But 87 draft. Number one overall, Jimmy. Raheem Ishmael.

I think you say that for everybody. I could say 2011, Jimmy. Raheem Ishmael. Jimmy, 1961. Raheem Ishmael. Raheem Ishmael. Jimmy, 1961. Rocket Ishmael. Rocket Ishmael Sr. Sr. Rocky Ishmael's grandfather.

I don't know. He did go number one, right? I think he did. I don't think he did. If he went seven, I feel like an asshole. I think he went like eight or some shit. Yeah, I think he did. Number one, Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

So? Draft. Warren Sapp. Vinny Testicle Verde. verdine oh my sap was drafted like number 10 overall at 95 okay there's a fame it's a it's a big there's a documentary where he dropped because they thought he was 11 it wasn't even top 10 number 11 or some shit brutal it was bad he was supposed to be top three or something vinnie testiverdi number one because miami was a powerhouse in college at the time that he was a the quarterback for number two overall cornelius bennett

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Heywood Jeffries. That's a good one. Jim Harbaugh, the under fire, always coached there. Yeah. A lot of different guys there. Later on, you got Christian Akoya. Yeah. Who was, I think, in the second round.

Really? Second round for the nigerian night that is a steal fuck yeah oh god boy was he good he took the chiefs to the playoffs on his back just literally picked him up stomped over the defensive line with his quarterback clutching to behind him for dear life like it's like it was his child at disneyland going through the crowd. He was awesome. Chris Carter, the Hall of Famer, went number 113 overall. Holy shit. No wonder he played so hard.

To the Eagles. Well, he got in trouble for drugs in college. That's why. Oh, did he? Yeah, his stock plummeted, and he had to prove he wasn't a fucking cokehead, basically. I'll show you that I'm one of the best wide receivers you've ever seen. That's what happened. Number 150 overall, Greg Lloyd, the great stealer linebacker fuck he was a badass number 183 overall yeah way down the line like seventh round yeah i mean if i guess this will

you give me anything big probably not because you were told at once i don't know bo jackson oh shit bo fucking jackson incredible bo jackson 183 180 well he was chosen number one overall the year I don't know. Bo Jackson. Oh, shit. Bo fucking Jackson. Incredible. Bo Jackson. At 183. Well, he was chosen number one overall the year before by the Buccaneers and refused to sign with them. Hilarious. So, you know, there it goes.

And Al Davis just said, yeah, what's Bo Jackson doing? Because he went and played baseball instead. He went and played for the Royals. He said, see if he's interested in playing football still. And he said, if you'll make a deal with me where i can finish the baseball season then come in for football season sure and they got yourself a deal seventh round fuck it who cares yeah great i mean seventh rounders don't make the team so who gives a shit that's so awesome and then he'd come in and blow shit up and that's awesome so that's how we got that al davis was a smart fuck

man he really was that sold so many fucking raiders jerseys genius move in itself i get it a lot of people don't i'm not a raider fan you know i fucking hate them there you go you're a bronco fan literally hate hate the ray i'm i'm like an nfc you know i'm a giants guy so they're not really in our on our parade doesn't affect you no but if you unless you're like you know yay establishment establishment, gray flannel suits are awesome. Unless you're that guy, you should love Al Davis. Because Al Davis, everybody thinks they're, I'm a rebel and I'm sitting here drinking beer and watching. Like, guess what? He was the guy who would tell all the stuffy shirts to go fuck themselves and be a nudge in their fucking side.

And have ideas on how to do things when they didn't have the kind of money other people have. He finagled himself into owning a fucking football team. He doesn't own an oil company. His dad didn't give it to him. He was a coach. He was a fucking coach. He's involved in this.

Made himself the commissioner of the AFL, and then part of the deal was when they merged, they were like, fuck, what do we do with this guy? He's got a contract. So part of the deal to make him be cool with the whole thing, to not be in charge of the league because he was in charge of the AFL, was to give him a piece of the fucking Raiders and let him buy into it. Unbelievable. And that's what he did. Then he took over more and more, and it's his team after a while. Wild.

There you go. What a story he has. He's a fucking hustler. Yeah. And he took people off the garbage pile. Right. And made them good. And, you know, put them together and said, that works for some reason.

Made a recipe out of garbage and it came out delicious. Made winners. Yeah. So, you know, hate the Raiders all you want, but everybody should know a little bit about Al Davis and everything else. Then he was part of the Players Union? Is instrumental in that forming? No, that was on his team his team willie upshaw was a big part of it right uh he was he's very big also if you like equality right in sports he's the guy who's the guy that tells you was hiring black coaches before anybody else he's the guy who didn't give a shit about

that sort of thing okay he'd bring in a black quarterback. I don't care. Quarterback, play football. Does he win? I want him. That's what it was. He was very much ahead of his time. But Shug is undrafted, though. Undrafted completely. He does get invited to Rams training camp.

And they were in L.A. for the first time. That was the first time there, huh? Well, no, they were in L.A. then. Oh, got it. This is pre-going to St. Louis and coming back to L.A. for the first time. That was the first time there, huh? Well, no, they were in L.A. then. Oh, got it. This is pre-going to St. Louis and coming back to L.A. So he comes into training camp as an undrafted free agent. But it's a hometown deal, so that's got to be pretty cool. I mean, honestly.

Shoot from Compton. Fuck, it's pretty cool. So he goes there, but during training camp, he's cut. So he doesn't make the team. But this happens every once in a while. And talk about a stroke of luck being in the right place at the right time. This is when the beginning of the season, the player strike happens. So basically, everybody they cut, they get right on the horn with and go, hey, remember when we cut you a couple weeks ago?

So he didn't like you? Totally fucked that up. Must have been a clerical error. Yeah. I wonder if you can come back and play for us again please so they call shook back and he makes the rams now as a replacement player so uh the 87 rams they'll go six and nine later on eventually the the players will come back the strike only lasts like four weeks hilarious where the players are actually really out uh This team has like Jim Everett. Yeah. Remember him?

Yeah. Jim was the guy that... I hate Jim Everett, but I do like that he threw down Jim Rome. Yeah. That's fantastic. Whether it was fake or not, don't care. I don't care. That's the thing.

It doesn't matter to me. Jim Rome was on his ass. That's what matters. Yeah. It's funny because Jim Rome's got one of those voices where he's like, you know, he's Mike Big. You know what I'm saying? We're like, I'm a big guy.

But then when fucking Jim Everett stood up, you're like, oh, my God, that tiny man's going to get mauled. He's like 5'7". He's like, oh, I'm not so big anymore. That little guy with the deep voice is about to get his ass kicked. Oh, no, I stood up. This is a bad move. I'm better in a chair environment that's what it is that was fucking hilarious giant six five jim everett towering over him

don't don't call me don't call me that again yeah i bet i will i bet i will yeah okay all right sure thing tiny person that was fake i'm sure but who gives a shit right so uh also on this team henry ellard who was very good eric dickerson who was a bad motherfucker right and also just to prove that he's not a dolphin flipper anderson on that team as well not a dolphin once again tree so sees it every year that's it so he's on the rams nfl yep this is this is huge he's been working toward this his whole life it's tremendous grace yeah this is grace for him i would say in the nfl he's in the nfl for fuck's sake and i actually found on youtube because i i found when he's on the roster he's only on the roster for two games two games plays in two games, and he has eight plays,

zero sacks, zero tackles, and one penalty. That's his NFL record in total. What is it? Is it offsides and encroachment, right? Who the fuck knows, man. He would have been defensive end?

He's a defensive tackle, probably. Middle defense. He's on an end. Probably offsides. Yeah, probably on offsides. He jumped a little bit. Probably off sides. Yeah, probably on off sides. He jumped a little bit. Yeah. A quarterback knows how to pull a rookie off sides.

So, probably. Yeah. So, yeah, that's his whole NFL experience is two games. So, I went to YouTube. Yeah. And I found. The game? One of the games he was in.

And he's just standing. You can see him on the sideline the whole time. Just kind of standing there with his hands on his hips. Remember I sent you the screenshot with him circled? Right. I'm like, look, it's Shug. You can see him on the sideline the whole time, just kind of standing there with his hands on his hips. Remember I sent you the screenshot with him circled? Right. I'm like, look, it's Shug. There it is. You're like, are you fucking kidding me?

No, that's him right there. 55. I remember. 79. Was it 55? I think he's 79. I thought it was 55. No.

Oh, 55 in college. In college he was, yeah, 54, 55. I think it was 55. Because you sent it to me. I'm like, 55? Yeah. No, he was 79. Yeah, it's right here 55. I think it was 55. Because you sent it to me. I'm like, 55? Yeah. No, he was 79. Yeah, it's right here.

I think 79 he was. So he doesn't do well. No. Let's just say that. And John Robinson, who was the coach at the time, says that he has no recollection of him whatsoever. Not one bit. Which means he remembers.

Yeah. Well, no, because there was a lot of replacement players. So he probably never even filed their names in his bank just 79 get on the fuck these guys are gonna be gone in a couple weeks fuck them i don't think he cared at all i'm gonna remember your name that's it uh one of his coaches said quote suge was just an anonymous nobody in the surroundings out that's all he was um uh that's all another guy said uh quote marion knight out of unlv who did what a lot of guys did and had a dream to play in the nfl and maybe didn't understand what the players were fighting for the striking players he was just another guy and uh nobody knew what

he'd become so that was that so he's cut as soon as the real players come back yeah like yeah get him out of here first so the guy with the penalty, and that's it. Just a penalty. That's his stats. What are his stats? A penalty. A penalty? No, no, all of them.

The tackles, just a penalty. Yeah, let's get rid of him first. He's just got a penalty. What do you say? Everybody that's done nothing at all or harmed us. Which is negative. He has negative statistics in the NFL. He's got this many platinum records, this many this, that many that,

zero tackles and one penalty. It's forever going to be his stat line. He actually backed his team up. That's what he did. It was crazy. Backed them up five to ten yards. One time. Yeah.

So October 1987, this is literally the minute he's cut from the NFL. I mean, he has a problem, man. When he's not doing something, he gets into trouble. Yeah. So October 87, he is arrested. It's exactly, I mean, fucking right when he gets caught. This is a within an altercation with his future wife, Sharitha Knight, who was at the time Sharitha Golden. And she had obtained a restraining order against him first.

Before this. Before this. And has him arrested this time for, this is ballsy. This really, this is above and beyond. He grabbed her by her ponytail and cut it oh in her mother's driveway oh was mom watching in the driveway of her mother's house they got in a physical altercation where he grabbed her by the hair and cut off her fucking ponytail how do you have scissors at the ready in a driveway i feel like he like was like hold on i got scissors in my car and dragged her over to his glove compartment by the hair that's what i really feel like happened that's a it makes a statement it

tells her that you're in charge right everything up to including how long your hair will be yeah or he yelled at the mom bring me out some scissors or it's gonna hurt worse there's some shot i'm not trying to make light of obvious horrible domestic violence. I mean, it happened 35 years ago, and she's doing much better after this. But still, this is just ridiculous. That's how terrible it is. It's asinine to do this at the mother's house and to do this, cutting her hair off. That's fucking crazy. It's humiliation.

Yeah, it's fucking crazy time. So that happened that night. So, you know know he gets arrested gets released obviously two weeks later two yeah two weeks later halloween night okay okay he's in vegas now yeah and he's arrested holy shit for shooting a man twice and stealing his car. Yeah. That's called a carjacking, last I checked. If someone shot you twice, then drove away in your car, what would you call that? Yeah, that's carjacking. I think that's carjacking.

He shot him in the leg once and in the wrist once and then stole his Nissan Maxima. Wow. I mean, I don't know if the guy owed him money. Yeah. That sounds like this guy owed him money yeah that sounds like this guy owed him money for coke that's what that sounds like to me i mean shooting a guy for that's a long way to go for a maxima that's what i mean to leg and wrist him and then take his car like this belongs to me now motherfucker because you owe me money that seems like that's what drug

dealers do that's drug dealer stuff and leave him to limp home and bleed it's certainly not running around the streets and then you need a ride and you just take a random ass dude you never met before i'm gonna steal the rims off that thing and sell them like i don't think that's what was happening here i think this was a debt and suge was showing how uh you don't fuck with suge's money he means business yeah i don't think uh i think he was uh he was big worming at this point okay kind of showing peacocking his uh toughness and anywhere else at this time uh in this country with that kind of crime you're doing serious time that's especially put away for quite some time yeah especially if two weeks before you were beating up a woman and cutting her hair off in her mom's driveway this is forming a pattern of violence right and it's indiscriminate it's not just even against your you know domestic partners

it's in the street you'll shoot a person steal their maxima you don't give a fuck if i'm if i'm not paid due then you better pay it's wild so uh the police end up arresting him in the nissan maxima which is you know i mean he still has the car still has it he going to hang on to it for a while, I think was his whole thought. Maybe I'll hang on to it until you pay me, collateral maybe. Or the gas runs out. Or just until it runs out of gas and I'll leave it in the desert. And when they catch him, he is carrying the.38 caliber Smith & Wesson revolver. He got him with a.38, too.

Yeah,.38. That's no joke. That's a lot of gun. That's a lot of gun. Yeah. And he's got a revolver to make sure it works right. See, Suge's not going for looks here. He's going for, it's going to work.

I need to shoot a man in the leg. I'm not trying to scare him and show him what I got. Right. I need to, I'm using this. Right. If you see someone with a revolver, they mean business. That's the person you don't fuck with. Yeah.

If they got a big, shiny, fancy gun, they could be a crazy person, but they could also be just a flashy show off or something and trying to scare people. If you see a person with a 38 revolver, they know this won't jam and a 38 will fucking kill you, period. That's their only concern. I don't know. But it's only got six shots. All I'll need.

Yeah. And I've got the shells still. Yeah. I'll take them with me. And I'll take them with me. Exactly. All I'll need. Yeah. And I've got the shells still. Yeah. I'll take them with me. And I'll take them with me. Exactly. All I'll need. That's why.

If I can't hit you with six shots, that's my problem. One of those people, that's the person you don't fuck with. They mean business. A lot of those revolvers are only five. Yeah. That's even worse. That's even more dangerous, man. You know what?

I only need one. Sometimes two? I don't need any more than four extra i'll tell you that much so he's carrying that so it seems like he'd be pretty well fucked i mean he's caught with the car and the gun the guy says he did it yeah it's you know it happened he's fucked but he's very connected in las vegas because played for UNLV for three years, and a lot of the lawyers in Vegas went to UNLV, and a lot of them are alumni and boosters, and he's all conference, and there must have been some kind of misunderstanding. He's a fine young man.

I talked to Coach Nunnally. He said he never gave him a problem. I think this is a misunderstanding. They're persecuting this poor young man. And, you know, he came into court. I'm a very nice young man. This is all a big misunderstanding. And they got the felony charges reduced to misdemeanors.

Shot a man. He shot a guy twice and took his car. Misdemeanor. That's not a misdemeanor man in any fucking sense of anything and what about the ponytail incident right how about that that's not a misdemeanor either this is all terrible shit that he's doing he's a madman he you know what he got though you sir yeah may fuck off three years probation and a thousand dollar fine mister you stay out of trouble wow you better stay out of trouble you stop it right now i dare you to try to get that penalty do that go out find a nissan maxima

shoot a guy in the leg then in the wrist take the maxima keep the gun on you while driving the car and see if you get that i just anybody's not gonna have it no you have that's some athlete shit that's some silver haired middle-aged white man shit there that's a team's not gonna have it no you have that's some athlete shit yeah that's some silver-haired middle-aged white man shit there that's a team you're gonna be down for a minute yeah you're going for a while that's a bunch of alumni and they knew a judge and everybody did like the good fellas when he winked and it was like hey you know blah blah blah and then they say you broke your cherry like that's what happened here this is some this is just like college sports corruption yeah vegas is obviously a corrupt town anyway especially in the 80s oh god and the you know

a college will run that shit with the with the athletics especially you think it's it's clean today and it's certainly fucking not i guarantee it's worse in the 80s there was still like there was still the remnants of like gangsters owning shit then. It was a completely different time period. There were still sharkskin suits hung in closets in case they showed up. Just in case. It was still the Wild West back then there. It wasn't like Vegas is a way bigger city than it was then. The 90s blew up.

In 1990, this goes by, so he's on his probation. In 1990, I guess his probation is up because it's three years later he's in vegas and uh he has an altercation with a man in public of course yeah and he uses a loaded pistol to hit him in the face and break his jaw jesus and that's that's also a felony as well it's like assault with a deadly weapon so you know that's that's also a felony as well. It's like assault with a deadly weapon. You know, that's... That's like the most literal way of assaulting someone with a deadly weapon. With a deadly weapon, yeah. I beat you with a gun. Apart from like baseball bat beating somebody with a shotgun.

Yeah. That's the most... That's it. Pistol whipping is essentially... Just holding it by the barrel and beating him with the fucking butt of the thing. The stock of it. Beating man with a fucking deadly weapon. That's wild.

So he ends up pleading guilty to felony assault with a deadly weapon. Wow. This is a guy who has the other thing on his record and then the ponytail. And all of this. So this is going to be serious now. We got to take care of this. You're going to jail at this point. Nip it in the bud.

I mean, nip this right. Yeah, clearly there's an issue with this guy. You know, he's like 25 years old and he's a menace to society so we gotta let's put our foot down you sir may fuck off two years suspended now i'm starting to get serious with you i'm starting to get serious now yeah i was i gave you probate you you did the probation so that's so suspend these. But I'll tell you what. It's hanging over your head, mister. Just so you know that. Stop blinking your eyelashes at me.

You better stop it, sugar bear. I don't care how sweet you are. Your sweetness got you this far. Yeah, fine, but it's not going to happen again. It's just not going to happen again. Oh, and a $9,000 fine. Stop it, mister. This is why he thinks he's above everything yeah

because a college it's sports this is why he's a good crime in sports people i only played for a minute no no no sports formed this wow sports made him above the law sports made a monster yeah sports even may i honestly think he would have been better off a guy for some reason his particular brand of psychology would have been better off if he was in gangs when he was younger. Because the fact that he wasn't and was in sports made him feel special. That he was above everybody else. He's above all of you regular people who have to go out and beat each other up in the streets. I have practice.

You know what I'm saying? That's a definite thing and then you know everyone from college gets him off on all these very very serious oh boy legal issues dead ass serious i would be very afraid if i shot a guy twice and got caught in his car with with a fucking gun on me i'd be scared i'm like i'm going to prison this is not good this is fucked up man so you know unless we have listeners who are good criminal defense attorneys. I know we have some. Yeah, there are.

Just in case that happens, be there for me because you never know. Follow me on Twitter. I don't know. Could happen. Follow the saga just in case I need you. I might need you. And, you know, if I do, please help me. So he is, you know, he's got a building a healthy record

through all this it's by now though by the time all this is going on he's moving on to other things too he's starting to dip his toes into show business now and he is now a bodyguard oh for bobby brown it's unbelievable. And yeah, for Bobby Brown. Go from arrested three times for awful things. It's his prerogative, Jimmy. What do you want? He's going to do what he wants to do.

But if you're Bobby Brown, that's a great bodyguard. Yeah. He's down. He's a scary man. He's a writer. If you're looking for bodyguards, you're on the resume.

You're like, well, what's your criminal record? You've shot a man and then stole his car, right? You've been arrested for it. Let's talk about it. You want to know that. Let's say, hold on a minute.

I'm Bobby Brown. I am interviewing you for this job. I'm going to give you a hypothetical. It's a job interview, so you're shook. Suppose, just suppose, because a lot of women, they like me. I'm Bobby Brown. I dress in a leather outfit, and I put that little microphone that comes out and i wiggle and shimmy you know so while i'm doing that there's going to be women throwing themselves at me your job is like bat them away yeah suppose one gets

particularly close to me sure and she has a ponytail what would you do yeah scissors you're hired it's the right answer. That's the right. I feel like that's what Bobby Brown would be looking for. As long as that response is like right now, what do you do? Scissors. You got scissors? All right. Sold.

Scissors? Kind of mad motherfucker. Yeah, you're hired. She's going to be distracted, ain't she? That's it. Oh, shit. You know what? He's right.

I'm going to chop that motherfucker off. So that know what he's right i'ma chop that motherfucker off so that's what he's doing there and uh he's and at the same time he found another job he's just trying to figure out any way he's like a sperm trying to get into the egg he's just trying to figure out where's the opening how do i get on in here he can't't fucking. Where's the crack? Into show business. I got to do something. He doesn't want to be a bodyguard because, I mean, that's, you're just a bodyguard. You're not. He needs to be in charge of shit.

So he ends up finding a new employer in Beverly Hills, a sports agent named Tom Klein, who was starting to get into the music business. He was just dipping his toes in the music business because at this point, this is early 90s is when CDs really became, when everybody had a CD player and it's for some reason when the explosion of buying CDs happened because they were, you know,

you get them for $11.99 and people just went fucking crazy. So the music industry was never more profitable than it was in this era oh it was crushing from now until about 99 2000 until napster really 2001 that 10-year period the music industry is fucking printing money yeah and that's when like major corporations are buying record companies because they want to get in on this easy profit. They need this cash flow and all this type of shit.

So it really, really becomes a thing. So a sports agent is trying to get into it. He hires Shug as a driver slash bodyguard slash talent scout. Hell yeah. Now, you know these people, don't you? You're from these neighborhoods with these people, right? I don't know. They dance around and sing things. I don't know. They dance around and sing things.

I don't know why I picture him like Vince McMahon. What a borderline racist thing you did there, Tom Klein. Yeah, that's what I mean. I picture him like Vince McMahon. You know these people. You're from the same places as these people, right? What do they do? They sing Doo-Wop over garbage cans or whatever. The fire's going.

I don't know what the hell these people are doing. You go out there. You know what the kids listen to, right? You know what I mean by kids. The kids, you know. You go out there on the streets, and I want you to find people that are selling drugs and making rhymes on the corners

and just get them in here. I don't know if they have musical talent or whatever. You know what to do. I don't know what they look like. I don't care. I'll pay you money, and then you do that and bring them to me he's a scout he's a scout wow so he starts but suge once he gets that little in yeah he just tries to take

it over basically he starts using the agent's office when the agent's not there to audition rap acts rad so he's scouting for his own shit and he he's got an idea to build a record company, and he wants to try to do this. He knows a lot of drug dealers with a lot of cash, and drug dealers, one thing about them, they have a shitload of cash, more cash than they literally know what to do with, like drug kingpins. Or are allowed to do with. That's what I mean.

They have more cash. They bury it in the ground. They put it in. We're allowed to do it. That's what I mean. They have more cash. They bury it in the ground. They put it in.

I mean, John Gotti Jr., when he got arrested the one time, he had $3 million in cash in the wall of an abandoned building. A building? Anybody could have wandered into that building. I don't know what that building's going to do. Any junkie could have wandered into that building and climbed in the wall for some warmth and been like, oh my God, my prayers are answered, and would have had like four days and then would have been back in the building. Anybody could have done that. You ever find $3 million buried somewhere?

Get the fuck away from that money. That's bad. Somebody wants that back. Yeah. You know who buried money? Pablo Escobar and shit. People like that buried money. They don't want to take their money.

John Gotti Jr., Pablo Escobar, theino family, and the Medellin cartel. That's who buries money. Watch out. Whitey Bulger puts that shit in his apartment complex walls. You don't want to tangle with that man. No, no. You can stay out of the drywall. So he knows a lot of people who have more money than they know what to do with,

and the record industry is a good place to put it and a good place to launder it. You can put a million dollars. Okay, that's good. good i don't need that you put a million dollars into there and then you start making legit money off that that you can actually claim on your taxes there you go and then you can live in a big mansion and drive a rolls royce right and when they bring you in and go how can you afford that you go well my tax return says right here my investments and here's my payoff i paid my uh you know this is all capital gains mister i'm good at money that's why yeah because i'm a businessman that's how gangsters become legitimate you know and a lot of gangsters became legitimate for 60 70 years in the record business and mobsters did that back in the day

like crazy brilliant so he brings in the doc rapper the doc uh to help him kind of sift through these acts and tell him what's good and tell him what's bad doc is looking for a label he's pissed off at his label and uh you know he wants out basically and he's trying to figure out what to do and so is nwa as we know they're upset i'm sure we've all seen straight out of compton if you've seen that, they're all upset. Ruthless was Ruthless. They want out. They want out away from Eazy-E and, more importantly, from Jerry Heller. And this whole thing is going on. So, because D.O.C.'s album came out on Ruthless, and it was number five on the top rap singles chart, the song. So, it's funky enough.

So, yeah, D.O.C., obviously, from the movie and everything else, he gets in a car accident. Can't really rap anymore. He sounds... Pretty brutal life. Yeah, he's got bad luck. Yeah. Jesus Christ. And his mumbles are mumbles mumbles.

Yeah. They're really not. It's not something... He gets all fucked up. What gets hurt? Only my voice. What? That's all you need, though.

The only thing he can do. They could have taken that motherfucker's legs and he could have still had a career chopped him off at the hips and he would have been fine no worries no he could have called himself instead of the the doc could have called himself the dmv it doesn't matter he could have done anything he wanted to he had a cool ass voice yeah only thing fucked up yeah the hov whatever the fuck it doesn't fucking matter hilarious but instead just just his voice talk about luck man jesus christ so um but suge what he would do is uh suge became kind of a uh he was courting the doc because

he wanted doc to be his first guy on his new label. So he's trying to get in good with him. He did that by getting in good with DOC's mother. Yeah. Suge knows what to do. Brilliant. He became basically his mother's chauffeur and just would go over his mother's house and sit there all day with her and talk about whatever she wanted to talk about,

watch soap operas and take her to the store. Yeah, bitch, I love cats. Just whatever. Yeah, that cat's cute as fuck, man. she wanted to talk about watch soap operas and take her to the store and just yeah bitch i love cats just whatever yeah yeah that cat's yeah it's cute as fuck man yeah he fluffy like anything just to try to get you know everybody if doc even talked to his mom she'd go oh that sugar you should trust him you know go with him he's a good boy he talks about snuggles yeah he pets snuggles and i could tell it's real yeah it's genuine i can i can see it so uh suge also began setting up autograph signings for the doc to try to get some money in his pocket a little extra money because ruthless records isn't giving him any so um he eventually told him they're fucking robbing you dude they're robbing you blind and uh you know so doc started

getting kind of on that and then he said hey since you're on my side now doc i know you're friends with that dr dre fellow over there and uh you know i don't think they're probably we should find out if they're getting a fair deal because if not maybe they want to you know maybe some of those guys want to get the fuck out of there too because you know straight out of compton had just come out the the album and you know it was a big goddamn deal and for guys like doc and dre they liked suge because suge is like suge's a fucking tough he's a bad motherfucker suge gives you street cred like no one fucks with you if you're Shug, if you're with Shug. That's period. And he's enterprising with ideas of how to make us money.

Yeah, that's the thing. We can be the guys and make money. And at the same time, if you go out and, you know, you go somewhere as a crew or whatever the fuck the deal is, no one's going to fuck with you. Like, you are protected. No one's going to make you look like a pussy and then ruin your rap career because of it, you know? So they looked at that as a big thing. Like, this dude is, you know, he could actually back this shit up and all that sort of thing. He's hanging out with D.O.C. a lot.

D.O.C. says that he believed that, you know, it helped to have Suge with him to give him street cred. Because he said at one point, early on doc says they were leaving a club one evening him and shug and doc says quote some n-word run up on me like he was fixing to hit me in the jaw shug just tore his ass up i mean he broke him down to his component parts so that's hell yeah that's what happens people want to test rappers all the time back then they you know it's like oh you think you're tough type of shit and so all right that's a hell of a beat down that's a beat down yeah that's whooping somebody's ass that's a man screaming please stop his component parts that's just fucking somebody up so yeah he wants to start a label. The guy's screaming, all right, all right. Yeah, please, Jesus Christ. No more.

No more, I swear. I give up. I'm sorry. It is funky enough. Those are component parts. It's very much funky enough. I'm sorry. So then, in honor of DOC, he wants to call the whole thing Funky Enough Records there.

So Shug signs, first off,j quick yeah a fellow pyro blood right and we'll find out a little bit later here he's uh he's uh involved in tons of shit dj quick really oh my god straight as fuck isn't oh he's yeah he's the first guy jumping in stomping people that end up dead and shit like that it's a it's fucking crazy he's quick to get in it he's quick to jump in some shit yeah and a bunch of other people too uh especially he he ended up signing one guy who was kind of a rat kind of a more of a writer and there's a guy named mario johnson and uh 1990 when vanilla ice put out ice ice baby and his song yeah uh mario johnson told suge that he fucking wrote and produced the song he said he helped vanilla ice with a bunch of that album and

he wrote like eight of the songs and one of them fucking ice ice baby and uh this shit is blowing up and i haven't seen a goddamn dime for this shit so can you help me about that so uh he ended up uh he ended up selling vanille ice that album sold 18 million copies that was a lot that's a lot of copies like i stole it you i wonder if that counts i did that's just i mean it was a moved unit that's what i mean it's out of inventory i guess he says he wrote seven of the 12 songs on the album so that's you wrote some fucking dough on 18 million albums sold so he uh uh shug who uh this is right after the assault with the deadly weapon in vegas by the way charge here this uh this is a famous story obviously he shows up at the palm restaurant in hollywood Vanilla Ice is eating. He's got a security team with him.

He's eating dinner there. And according to Vanilla Ice, Suge comes in, and he's got two guys that were same size as Suge. Yeah. Just three giant people walk in. A wall moved. Oh, yeah. A moving wall. And he said they grabbed his bodyguards, lifted them out of their seats, and placed them aside.

Excuse us. Excuse me. bodyguards lifted them out of their seats and placed them aside, which is, excuse me for them, not even to fight back. That's how threatening these people must've been. So, uh, Shug said he stared at him. They said it shook, stared him for a long time.

And, uh, he said, how you doing? And then he left. And he said, this happened on several different occasions. Shug would just show up they'd put his

security people aside be like what's up i can get to you and then leave so obviously this is gonna put vanilla ice on his heels a little bit here make it uneasy you know and uh they said that uh uh and and he shook by the way this is legitimate like the fact that this guy wrote these fucking songs because they were saying like how do you know this guy wrote the songs like internally showing his friends here and this guy had handwritten sheet music for ice ice baby and like all he had every he had fucking folders full of shit from writing this goddamn shit and uh his girlfriend who was at the kitchen table when he was writing the songs and telling her about him back in the day she said oh yeah you know it's a he's entitled to some fucking money here, basically.

So they said Mario Johnson, the writer guy, he said, we knew where Vanilla Ice was staying because I was supposed to be hearing some tracks he was doing. He wanted me to come by myself. But Shug said, I'm going with you. Yeah. And also, I'm not going alone. If this motherfucker owes me money yeah that's we're gonna we're gonna get that money that's the thing so they go over to the hotel room vanilla ice is there and this is the famous story because the famous story that

vanilla ice told and it was on behind the music and all that shit for 25 years was that they came in and suge hung him off the balcony yeah made him sign over rights to the songs to this mario johnson guy right that's kind of gotten now they say he might he took me out on the balcony to talk to him but didn't really need to hang him off i think the balcony was implied basically or he straight up said to his face i'll hang you off this motherfucking balcony i think if you're on a balcony with an angry shge it's just implied that there are two there are two exits from this balcony that's what i'm saying you choose which one you want i feel like that's what's going on there so vanilla ended up doing it vanilla ended up signing over the songs so this made suga legend yeah people were like holy shit this guy gets shit done now

people wanted him on their side they wanted him to run their career basically because no one can fuck with you if you go out to a club somebody tries to run up on you he'll break them down to their component parts some fucking stupid haired fucking dumb shit white rapper steals your songs you can fucking he'll go over to his motel room or hotel room and fucking, you know, get your songs for you. Like, this is a bad motherfucker. We could be with him. So, yeah, this is when Taylor Swift is soaring high. Her every move captured in the news cycle and devoured by her devoted fans.

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And then he just shows up one day, Suge does, at Gary Ballin's office with just a shitload of bloods just a bunch of gang members with him and forces this guy to sign a written apology to Michele Dr. Dre's girlfriend for quote disrespecting her okay so he's like okay and so he signs this balance said this is hilarious by the way this guy's like i need to take control i'm scared so he begins carrying a stun gun which i mean he's got a crew of blood so stun gun isn't gonna help and taking karate classes i just picture some 50 year old fucking guy like i know karate now damn it i'm a green belt i'm not taking any more of your shit with a bunch of i'm the last dragon yeah a bunch of 300 pound guys dressed in head to toe red the fuck out of here what are you talking about karate you couldn't sleep at night which is fair yeah um so jerry heller hired

a pair of big giant weightlifters to serve as his bodyguards, keeps a shotgun in his desk drawer. That's better. That's what we're doing here, yeah. Suge claims that one day he came to the office and Jerry wasn't there, but the bodyguards were, and he said that he, quote, made those two motherfuckers get down on their hands and knees and walk around like dogs. That's his quote there. Suge wanted to see Ruth ruthless records contracts with the artist

because basically he's act he's acting as kind of their agent at this point which is funny because he's trying to steal them for his own record company so not really an agent but you know for all intents and purposes he's acting as an agent to these people so heller says i'm not showing you shit so suge showed up one day at the this is how fucked up he is how crazy he is not at jerry heller's office not any of those he shows up at ruthless records corporate attorney's office they're not in a rap they're not in the rap they're corporate attorneys this is a different building this is a different building this is people who have nothing to do with any of this rap doesn't even happen there they don't yeah they know nothing they're like rap what are you christmas presents yeah i hate when i have to do that they

have no idea what you're talking about sign on the dotted line that's a rap that's what they say there that's it that's a rat he uh uh he shows up there forces his way inside a corporate law office searches through the file cabinets until he finds what he wants and then leaves takes it with him just takes it with him that's that's wild shit there and he found out of course that they were fucking them over horribly uh he read their contracts showed them their contracts and said you know you're getting fucked look at this i mean they were getting fucked i mean there's no doubt about it that was that was all good up till this point he's doing what needs to be done in a dirty business

i really believe that in a ruthless way yeah vanilla ice owed that motherfucker he owed him so that was that was you know legitimate he's right in a lot of wrongs he's right in wrongs yeah the doc thinks someone wants to punch him in the face. You break him down to his component parts. This going on, they're fucking him over on contracts. You take it over. This is all good things. You know, this is like John Gotti would throw very nice fireworks displays and picnics for the whole neighborhood. Also, so he's doing well.

And I guess only EZE had the power to release Dr. Dre from the contract there. And Suge now gets in business with a guy named Dick Griffey, who was the owner of the Soul Train TV show and the chairman of Solar Records. And basically, they're going to try to get he's going to produce records for them and they're going to uh they're going to have their griffey's trying to sell a package of for soundtrack albums sure to sony records for their movies to have soundtracks with and he's trying to have it so they can be produced by dr dre got it so in order to do that there's a big deal sitting on the table with a fucking major motion picture company a major media company in order to do that they need to get dre out of this contract that's that's the whole thing so that's why it was so important to get them the fuck out of this contract so april of 91 they call eze uh dr dre calls eze invites him

to a meeting at solar records to just discuss State of the Union. Let's talk about it. Let's talk business, basically. Get things out in the air. Yeah. And EZE thought this was all in the up and up. This is all going to happen. So he shows up to the meeting with no security or anything like that.

He gets up there and it's, you know, Suge Knight and Dr. Dre and a bunch of other people there. Yeah. So it's just, I'm sorry, Dr. Dre's not there. It's just Suge Knight and a bunch of Suge Knight's guys here. His, you know. His Piru guys. His Piru guys. Yeah.

So he basically says that everybody wants to leave and you're going to let them out of their fucking contracts. And he said no easy so suge told him that he was holding jerry heller hostage in a van outside and he knew where easy's mother lived which is fucking wild and uh that's an interesting business tactic that's a well you know what the rule of three he does know the rule of three, because that's two. Heller in the van, know where your mother lives. Oh, and the closer, a bunch of guys walked in the room carrying lead pipes and stood on both sides of Eazy-E.

So that was the... And now it's your turn. So we got Jerry Heller, we'll kill your mother, and we'll just beat the shit out of you with lead pipes on top of that. Your choice. Yeah, so what do you say? There. with lead pipes on top of that your choice yeah so what do you say there's so um i got a feeling that is not how sprint was taken over by by fucking was it verizon verizon got him that's how the aol time warner merger happened i'm pretty sure in the late 90s i'm pretty positive that was

how that came together i think that's how american bought us airways i'm sure turner was involved and i think ted turner came in with some pipes and uh you know i know where your mom lives you know your mom lives you know with the aol executive board they were like yeah you're valued higher but you don't fucking make anything you're a goddamn internet stock and then what the fuck and then by the halfway through when we're done doing the deal you'll be worth less than us but then you're gonna get more stock price fuck that that's what's going on here. That actually happened. Yeah.

I read about it. So anyway, Shug needs, now he's got all the wrappers. He's got everything. Now all he needs is money to start this up. So he goes to an investor. This guy's a cool, bad motherfucker. He's Michael Harry O. Harrison. Harry O., he's a famous drug dealer uh during the

mid-80s he's like the most famous gangster in the history of the city when it comes to this shit he's and he is cool as fuck he's six foot five and wears versace suits oh yeah like that's just a cool that's some cool gangster shit there that's like you know he does it class they said he could go from fucking hanging out with gangbangers to a movie premiere in hollywood and be just as welcome in both places wearing the same fucking outfit incredible that's just the type of guy he was uh he does all sorts of shit but of course he gets arrested because he's a drug kingpin he gets put in jail and uh he also financed this is a big deal he financed a broadway play uh checkmates which he personally harry o chose the lead who was an unknown actor

at the time named denzel washington fascinating so that's who he found incredible yeah there's pictures of harry o with denzel back in the day and shit. It's cool. Denzel looks like he's 14. It's funny as hell. Probably was. Yeah, he was like 20 at the time or something. So during all of this, he and his wife Lydia begin to make plans to start a record label. And the way he wants to get into the record business to wash his money, Suge wants financing in the record business. Genius.

Match made in heaven. And the link between them to put them together, they need somebody to put them together, is a guy named David Kenner, who's a criminal attorney. Yeah. And he'll be Suge's. Whenever you see Suge in court, the guy standing next to him is David Kenner.

I mean, until fucking three years ago. It's crazy. So, yeah, David Kenner's his guy there. Kenner handles, he's also handling uh harry o's criminal appeal and all that sort of shit sets up a meeting between harry o and shug in the metropolitan detention center which is it's negotiated in jail it's negotiated in the visiting fucking room in jail here and uh knight and the harrises each own 50 of the company and kenner's going to form the corporation and help run the parent company and all that sort of shit the contract that end uh

that they ended up drawing up gave suge control of death row's day-to-day operations while harris provided the quote overall philosophy and direction okay that's what was in writing he was to invest 1.5 million to start up this whole thing so about uh after about two years though uh harry o figures out that knight and kenner basically set up a bunch of corporate shells and walled him off from anything oh no so he's not getting shit he's not getting profits he's not he's not getting anything and he can't get to it because they've set up a bunch of legally it's impossible a bunch of walls but yeah kenner knows what he's doing legally and that's what ended up happening um so later on they end up hooking up with interscope records when they needed uh uh they needed 10 million dollars

they got from jimmy iovine and uh that's how that ended up happening and death row ends up moving out of the solar records building and uh you know they dumped the dick griffey guy don't need you anymore right and they set up uh offices near interscopes offices on wilshire boulevard yep not fucking around anymore doing this shit up so the first album is the chronic that they release. And as we know, that's a it's timeless. It's amazing. Monstrous, monstrous hit that just lasts, you know, still to this day. People know the songs. It's just a giant fucking hit.

It's an anthem album. It is. It's just everybody knows that shit. So hugely big. It was held the top play of the place in place in the billboard top 10 for eight months is that right yeah that's how enduring that shit was that's a long fucking time um and the same day the chronic was released david kenner filed articles of incorporation for death row that listed shug and dre as the company's sole directors so now he's involved in it and uh

after all he did harry o's only fucking anything he got out of it was on the liner notes on the chronic it says special thanks to harry o special thanks special thanks for looking out for all the money to make this happen thanks thanks chief so and they're doing really well then doggy style comes out in 93. They grossed more than $60 million in their first year in business. Is that right? Which is a shitload of money. Enough to more than pay back Harry out. Give him his $1.5 million back for fuck's sake.

So, yeah, they were, you know, it's becoming known as a, it's the place people want to be. They make fucking money, those people and shit like that. They have crazy parties too uh they have parties where all the parties there's like strippers and porn stars that are like basically naked that are like humping ice sculptures and good they have like the yeah they have like 70s blaxploitation gangster parties like movies from like this is the bad guy in the in the movie and they're having some weird party with a bunch of like scantily clad women or like humping on old men. That's the parties they're having.

It's fucking insane. For the chronic release party, they had a big cake with big, you know, weed leaf icing on it and all that kind of shit. Like the album cover. Death Row, all of their parties though become very like it's a volatile environment yeah like shit can pop off at any time there's there's both crips and bloods their attention yeah yeah everybody's not friends basically like suge knight's friends don't like snoop dog because he's a crip and he's saying crip shit and then they're mad at him and it's like we're what are 60 million dollars what are you fucking talking about let's all pick a

new color and wear it fucking who gives a shit well all are purple yeah give a fuck who cares at this point it doesn't matter we win yeah you know like 60 million dollars dude this is crazy um so suge knight was uh you know traveling with a pretty hardcore uh group of people one of the record employees and it's important to stress a black record employee said that he was surrounding himself with quote half quote i guess penitentiary n words he said that's that's that was what suge was bringing around so not really professional people you know so safe but they're saying it's very safe um he uh did all of this shit man he got in a fight with a security guard one time uh in a in a club here what is this uh prince's glam slam some la club and uh apparently in front ofs of people, he gets in a big fight and beats somebody so bad he has to get his spleen repaired with surgery.

You beat the spleen out of somebody. That's a beating. Those are deep. That's throwing a beating on somebody. You know what I mean? You got to get through a lot of stuff to hit that. To buck up a spleen? Fuck, man.

Now, here's where Daryl Henley comes in. And Crime and Sports listeners may remember the Daryl Henley episode, as he's one of the craziest son of a bitches we've ever done. Well, Daryl Henley, while he's suspended for operation of a large drug ring, he's suspended from the Rams. rams uh during that time suge puts him to work as the uh general manager and personal enforcer at death rose wilshire boulevard office what a title basically stay here and scare the shit out of everybody you want to punch some people yeah punch and pull guns on them yeah they uh the employees when uh henley ended up being sent to prison for a fucking life or 40 years or whatever it was the employees were so relieved to not have him around anymore they said of everybody around he was by far the scariest person out of all the street all the gangsters all the people

showed up getting around everybody was more scared of daryl henley than anybody they said he was terrifying which is pretty fucking funny it is among gangsters he's terrifying so yeah there uh uh a lot of bad things happen the reputation the the early 90s though the more violence that was around you the better the better more albums you sold as a rapper that's what you were selling was like i i'm like i would lead a dangerous lifestyle as your white kids in the suburbs can feel dangerous by listening to these people who actually have a dangerous lifestyle exactly it's like in the 60s when kids heard that jimmy hendrix put a bunch of acid in his headband when he went on stage that sold more albums like the parents were like oh my god what the get him fucking in jail right and the kids were like i gotta buy that

really that's about to be an awesome album maybe that songs uh maybe those songs tell about how he felt in that moment i'd like to know that's that's the shit uh there were uh uh suge dray and the doc were all arrested following a melee in a hotel at the uh black radio executive contention uh convention in new orleans they're arrested because a 15 year old fan was stabbed in the melee that'll do it and uh yeah the new orleans cop had to ride horses into the hotel lobby to break up the brawl which is cowboys pretty fucking insane yeah this is this is wild um and by the way this book is uh amazing it's called labyrinth like la yeah

brinth labyrinth uh it's an amazing book that a lot of this back, all this very detailed legal information came from because it's a LAPD officer that wrote it that worked on the Biggie Tupac case forever and kind of not your typical guy. They kind of edged him out of the force because he was looking into things they'd really rather not look into and shit like that. He was he was trying to solve it you know trying to solve it and it seemed like real inconvenient yeah the general police forces uh the up the upper echelon of the police force their general disposition on biggie and tupac was i mean if all

these people want to kill each other i mean i don't know what the fuck they want from us that was literally their stance like i don't know they're just killing each other these rappers so if they as long as they just do that then i'm not a problem just like what let people get shot in the streets that's okay with you lit up on fucking on the strip in vegas that's not dangerous to you are you crazy yeah it's firing at fucking vehicles and shit so believable he uh this ended up helping their reputation though because it's made it sound dangerous uh during all this it looks great but like snoop dog here while doggy style is doing very well on the charts he's still living in an unfurnished apartment suge would rent apartments for people and just stick them in it.

Yeah. You know, there you go. And they'd have no furniture, no nothing. And Snoop would have to fucking depend on Suge for food money. He'd be like, yo, Suge, can I have some money? I don't have any food. Meanwhile, his album's shooting up the charts. He should be getting paid.

Yeah. And he's not at all getting paid. He's just sitting there going, when am I going to get any money for this? I can't afford gin nor juice. Yeah. I need money. I have the gin, Jug. Could you stop and get me just some juice, possibly?

So 1992 comes along, and he says that most of his troubles, he tells a reporter, he said, well, what's up with all this? You're starting this label people are getting stabbed you've been arrested a bunch of times and he said most of the problems were created by quote police out looking for trouble with most of Shug's problems

well I guess if you call looking for a man who shot a guy and then stole his car looking for trouble maybe he's not getting like pulled over and fucked with they're coming because there's a specific crime to investigate they're coming for the trouble that you started there's a lot yeah that happened a lot of people that's legitimate not him that's the day he's doing a lot of shit he's i can't believe they're not looking for more trouble with him he like he

gets arrested way less than he probably should honestly honestly. So he said, don't bother me none, though. That's the way it's been as long as I can remember. I'm used to it. Okay. So in 1992, though, he's charged with assault with a deadly weapon. Yeah. He's convicted of misdemeanor battery in Beverly Hills, convicted of carrying a concealed weapon in West Covina, and convicted of disturbing the peace in Van Nuys. It's a full L.A. tour.

He's just giving L.A. hell. He's going to do this thing, verse two to I Love L.A., basically. He's getting arrested and everywhere. Wild. West Covina, arrested, arrested, arrested, arrested. The most serious charge, though is uh this one here he had a charge where at solar records he had some problems and we'll talk about that um shug jesus christ he uh would publicly say that he was you know a blood his offices at death row were

all red he had red carpeting and red cabinets and a red desk and the whole deal the only thing that wasn't red was the death row logo in the floor which is the guy in the electric chair there and that was black yeah the big yeah that had black with like a white thing around it there was a guard with a metal detector at the door and which you know most offices have and uh they go see the president of the record label. Walk through this horseshoe, please. It's so strange. But the security guys had a list of people that were considered, quote,

security personnel who didn't have to walk through the metal detector. And these were just basically shitloads of members of the Bloods. Yeah. You know, could carry guns in there and it was okay so they were uh fucking one time uh they had people waiting out uh uh they leaves people waiting or a lot like he would leave reporters waiting for him and for two hours before he let him into the office and then when they come in he in, he would tell them that he'd have his German shepherd there and he would tell them that it was trained to kill on command and all this type of shit.

Like, you know, I can make this dog kill you. Oh, yeah, yeah. Is that your dog there? Yeah, yeah. It kills on command. Would you like a drink? What? I'd kill it on command.

One time he didn't like a question a reporter asked, so he dragged the reporter over to a fish tank filled with piranha and threatened to put his face in there and let the fish eat them which it wouldn't do by the way but still it sounds scary i just learned that um yeah no they won't do that no no piranha aren't gonna eat you alive what do they know that they go after do they small things things that are damaged things that are damaged but like yeah in a movie like the cow falls in the water and then bones float up 10 seconds later like no it boils they'd be like holy shit that cow's gonna crush us swim away they're still

tiny things they're not stupid they do have self-preservation yeah you know think about i mean come on that makes sense so uh he uh he they're working in all these studios at one point. There's a guy named Linwood Stanley and the building's third floor. Shug noticed a guy named Linwood Stanley there and he is on the phone using the company phone. Yeah. OK. And I'm on the third floor. He says to him, quote, say say blood don't be on the phone

okay so linwood replied quote don't be coming at me with that gangbang shit i'm not from la he's like i'm i do art shit i'm not involved in this i'm a music guy or whatever the fuck so linwood's brother george who was working with shug closely or was a producer or something saw this happening was like oh, oh, Jesus Christ. So he intervened, took his brother into the lunchroom. Sorry about that, Shug. He doesn't know who we are, and he's just using the phone. And took him in there and had him use the pay phone instead.

But about two minutes later, Shug comes back in the room, grabs the guy, hangs up his pay phone, and points a loaded pistol at him and says, What's up now? Yeah. And then Shug beat the living shit out of both brothers. Seems like the answer. I mean, yeah, that's a huge...

I don't even know what to say about that. Then he followed the Stanleys into a studio where he continued to beat them. Oh, my God. Until finally ordering them to get down on their knees. Linwood Stanley refused, so Suge Knight fired off around into the wall. Oh, my. Showing him serious and then smacked him in the temple with the barrel of the gun as well. So you got to do that.

Then threatened to shoot both of them in the head. Yeah. Forced them to take their pants off and lay naked on the floor in front of him. Let's see a butthole. Let's see that butthole. I got a little Michael Jackson in me. Don't tell me I don't have no musical talent. After he takes Linwood's wallet from his pocket, Shug said he's going to keep his ID.

So if he goes to the cops, he could have them and their family members killed my god so he pulled a jimmy conway like you know me you may know who we are but we know who you are right but jimmy conway did that and then gave the guy 50 bucks in the place of the fucking id p.s didn't beat the living shit out of him and lay face down naked this this is a not he missed that scene of good i feel like he didn't get the whole gist of it he felt like the scene needed punching up no shit so the stanleys end up getting out of there and uh they do call the lapd yeah and a team of officers storm into the building later on and people are scrambling around everybody's got weed and drugs and guns and every other fucking thing all around this studio it's a bunch of fucking musicians so people are

locking themselves in closets and shit like that the stanley brothers uh come on to they come in with the cops and they point at suge and say he did it and suge says i don't know what the fuck they're talking about that's all bullshit until finally one of the brothers finds the bullet embedded in the wall that'll do it this is what he fucking shot at us and uh the police went oh yeah that's that's not good and they arrest shug at that point so there's some some proof of it but um yeah they end up getting uh uh uh you know david kenner's there johnny cochran's on his legal defense team for this they delay the trial for almost three years it's just pushing it off and all this shit he's got a ton of houses Shug he uh he still he owns his parents old place in Compton which he remodeled and put a four-car

garage on which is just hilarious 1200 square foot house four car four car garage 1200 square foot garage so yeah it's pretty fucking funny he had a fleet of luxury vehicles for his personal use he had all sorts of shit here um he hoped this is pretty gross he hosted a mother's day celebration for single moms yeah at the beverly wilshire Come on over. Sponsoring Christmas time toy giveaways. Single moms, why don't you come on down, get some toys for your kids. And this dick right here. Somebody told him single moms means they put out. And he's like, you're damn right they do. You know what they like?

Toys. Fuck roses. Toys. That's what they want. So that's pretty wild man also formed an anti-gang foundation in compton oh that's rich pretty fucking hilarious uh 1994 source awards come around this another very famous moment dr dre and snoop are you know sweep album of the year solo artist of the year producer of the year new solo Artist of the Year, Producer of the Year, New Solo Artist of the Year. They win all these fucking awards, right? And

this is the one where he comes out, Suge comes out to accept an award and makes the big speech to and basically lays down the East Coast West Coast gauntlet and starts an entire giant thing that lasted for years.

He says, quote, any artist out there that want to be an artist and want to stay a star and don't want to have to worry about the executive producer trying to be all in the videos all on the record dancing come to death row which is so stupid but i can't stand puffy so that's just funny with him stupid shit dancing around it's fucking hilarious and he's a bad dancer too oh dude he's so bad there's that time after biggie died the mtv music awards they had numbers sting is singing the you know i'll be missing you thing he's singing it and it just starts out with sting on stage and it's very somber and then all of a sudden out of nowhere fucking puff daddy any man comes dancing from the back and i'm not talking just like dancing up cat he's like fucking throwing

down like yeah you're like whoa sir what are you doing this is a somber fucking moment are you dancing on a man's grave i mean i've it's the most joyous dancing I've ever seen. It's not even subdued. He's just like, ugh, fucking throwing down. I'm like, first of all, you're throwing down a sting singing, which is a strange thing. And second of all, it's about your dead friend. Look somber, motherfucker. You're making money off your friend's death look sad

about it at least pretend it hurts man pretend you're sad you dick so sorry anyway um this started the whole thing and all that kind of shit here um let's see do we oh yeah we should probably do that one too i'm trying to with suge you have to pick and choose yeah what to talk about because this could be an eight part episode if we don't do that. By the way, just to tell everybody, in the next probably two months, we're going to do Mike Tyson as an episode. That'll be a two-parter. There's no way to do him. His life is so rich.

No. His childhood's a whole episode before he even starts fucking boxing. So we don't have time for that in one episode. We'll do it in two episodes. We're going to do it pre-Indiana, post-Indiana. We'll call it that. Let's say that. We'll put it at 92.

We'll draw the 91, whatever it was there. And yeah, we'll go from there. We should do it at Buster Douglas. The Buster Douglas fight should be the end of the first episode. And then we'll go from there. douglas the buster douglas fight should be the end of the first episode and then we'll we'll go from there so uh one of these times there was uh uh there's a party and uh puffy's there and the thing is with these music parties you get a lot of like suge's people and puffy's people in the same building at the same time they all have like 35 person security teams and, you know, that sort of shit. So Shug is he has basically with him at this party that Puffy's there with a bunch of, you know, a bunch of security people.

He just has Jake the Violator Robles. That's his guy. He's six foot tall, 245 pounds, but apparently the toughest motherfucker around. He's the guy who replaced Daryl Henley as the new baddest dude around. So the violator, the violator. I assume that's parole or probation or some shit or buttholes. I'm not sure what he's violating, but something's something's bad. I imagine it's everything.

He just violates. Yeah. So anyway, there's a big beef this night and he gets in some sort of altercation. The Violator gets in an altercation with Puffy's cousin, Wolf. So the Wolf and the Violator, sounds like a BattleBot showdown, are going to face off here. And apparently security gets involved, and they say, you know, Puffy and Wolfie and everybody, your crew, you all leave. And they told Suge to stay there for 15 minutes with his people and then leave, whatever. Suge ended up just going outside and leaving.

So obviously it escalated again outside. And apparently the violator here went after Wolf, and Wolf up shooting him uh is what ended up happening so shot the violator so uh jake ended up being uh you know shot three times in the torso on the violator and uh at that point suge was pointing at puffy saying you had something to do with this you had something to do with this so it's more than just that speech there was other things that happened that were you know escalating the situation and um and then and back in then people back in LA heard that you know he was protecting Suge and that Puffy tried to put a hit on Suge and that was what went around on the street so it was a whole it was a whole fucking thing basically puffy said he wouldn't set somebody up he's like if i was going to set

somebody up why would i be there that's stupid but that was his excuse for it more it's genius or it's genius yeah because someone else did and you can go whoa weird i didn't have anything to do with that yeah um there's another guy here a guy named mark anthony bell uh he worked for puffy occasionally. They went to high school together. He said he'd been contacted shortly after Jake Robles' death by a guy who wouldn't give his name, but promised if Bell cooperated with what they wanted him to do, they'd give him a record deal. Okay.

He asked what cooperation meant, and they said it means we need the home addresses for Puffy Combs and Puffy Combs his mother oh that's a hell of a cooperation that's a lot of cooperation and his mom wow on top of it so he said write these things on a piece of paper step outside and drop the paper on the ground is what he was told and no one will ever know that it was you um this guy insisted he didn't know where puffy lived didn't especially didn't know where his fucking mother lived and he doesn't want to get involved. And he hung up, uh, the guy, um, I guess I called a couple more times and all that kind of shit. And, uh, you know, so he assumed it was death row people. This bell guys in Los Angeles, three months later on business, when he learns that, uh, um, a friend of his got hired to photograph guests at a death row Christmas party. So, yeah, he ends up going there,

and Bell said he called to ask if he could get an invitation to this place, to this party, and they gave it to him, and he said, quote, I should have known they were setting me up. Probably, yeah, if they wanted you to, quote, quote cooperate so he gets there at about 10 30 suge said uh uh suge and his entourage didn't show up until about 2 a.m suge noticed bell standing around and he approached him and he said quote why didn't you cooperate when you had the chance and he said i don't have his home address i don't know that shit i don't you know he said i know his business address is in the phone book that's what i know of him you know i don't know shit about him and so shug said we'll tell you why don't you come

upstairs to the vip room and we'll talk about it up there you know this is quieter it's trying to dance for it's loud i can't hear that you don't know anything down here let's go up let's go upstairs so he said before he had a choice of whether to take it or leave it uh he said he was surrounded by six people uh two of which being dr dre and tupac oh is that right yeah so all of them escort him upstairs to a room where a reporter from mtv and a photographer from the new york times were hanging out yeah and shug ended up and his entourage told them to leave mtv and the new york times to leave and all that sort of shit and they stationed somebody outside for a look up to be a lookout

suge pulled up a chair in the middle of the room and uh you know told bell to sit down hang out everybody else kind of formed a circle around him yeah suge again said why the fuck won't you cooperate you know what's going on what's going on? Why are you doing this? Why are you being so fucking obstinate here? We're trying to kill people. Can you help? Jesus, I'm trying to kill a man's mother. I mean, you're acting like, you know, like you don't want to cooperate.

You don't want to help me. Yeah. So he said also at this time, Tupac was whispering in Shug's ear the whole time. And he also said, quote, a scary looking blood whose teeth were covered in gold fronts began to pace back and forth. And he said he just turned around and hit him in the face several times. Bell did. He hit Bell in the face several times saying, this is for Jake.

We're going to kill you. Oh, boy. So finally, Shug stands up, goes to the bathroom, comes back with a champagne flute filled with his urine oh my and he tells bell to drink it yeah yeah so bell refuses um he says that the guy with the gold teeth hit him again when he refused so he said he figured they were going to kill him anyway so he took the champagne glass and threw it on the floor yeah and broke it as like a distraction almost like a like a smoke bomb like a spy throwing a smoke bomb down and running away. Like, yeah, he threw a piss bomb down.

They all went, oh, I got piss on my shoes. And then he ran away. So he runs out of the room and there's a balcony. He's on the second floor, but there's a balcony. So he runs toward the balcony and just tries to jump off the balcony. He figures that'll get people's attention yeah if he jumps off a fucking balcony so he jumps off the tries to jump off the balcony before he does the group catches up with him and trying you know he's trying to jump off and they're trying to pull him back on and uh he said that suge had him by the left shoulder people are trying to pull him

back he said everybody except tupac who was punching on his fingers while he was holding on to the rail trying to uh yeah trying to get him to hold hold off they're trying to get him him back he said everybody except tupac who was punching on his fingers while he was holding on to the rail trying to uh yeah trying to get him to hold hold off they're trying to get him to let go so um anyway they end up beating him up uh you know throwing glasses and shit at him sugar yelled body blows only and then the gold teeth guy got him in a choke hold and uh they started beating him some more and then eventually he said he played dead on the floor uh they took his wallet his rolex uh his gold necklace and uh his necklace he said was worth about 20 grand wow and they robbed him and then suge told him to

stand up and uh when he got to his feet suge uh he said that suge started acting like they were old friends put his arm around him and said, You're in the gang now. You can be part of this team. You jumped in. Come on, buddy. We're pals. Why'd you make me do this?

He did one of those things, like an abusive husband. He said, I can make you rich. Do you want to make a half million dollars? Do you have friends that can deliver? Do you have rappers? I can make you a half million dollars. He said that then Shug walked him into the bathroom, told him to clean himself up and all that sort of thing.

You know, then he said he saw a couple of bloods talking on what appeared to be police radios and getting excited. So this is where this comes in. Shug hires LAPD officers as security guards, off duty LAPD officers are security guards, off-duty LAPD officers, even though death row was most certainly on a list of people that you had to get permission to work for. You couldn't just work for them because they were known as like organized crime. They had like a lot of investigations into them for drugs and guns and all that sort of thing. You're not allowed to work there basically unless you have special clearance and they

never will let you. And there was guys that were just doing it anyway a lot of them and a lot of the guys were from that neighborhood they were you know they would say they're known they were known gang members now they're in the lapd and they're working for shug night at the same time so you know that was one of the things that this russell pool was the cop who you know told was telling the story the labyrinth story and that was one of the things where every time he'd hit every time he'd get anywhere in the case it would be it would come up to an lapd person that worked for them and the lapd brass didn't want that whistle blown at all because this was the late 90s it was post oj and the last thing they wanted to be seen as

they'd rather be seen as incompetent than racist at that point like they didn't want it to look like they were you know investigating black lapd officers when you know they should have been investigating anybody who's working for death row whatever their fucking color it doesn't matter that's just insane so but that was the way it was working out at the time so late 90 90s, the politics were way, there was a different thing because of the whole OJ thing. I mean, that really changed in LA. It changed a lot of things. So anyway, I mean, some things for the better, obviously, too, I think.

I think procedures now, after that, I guarantee you, processing shit at murder scenes. A little more thorough. Bet you there were some meetings going, hey, don't leave shit in your trunk. Put it in your fucking pocket. Do the shit right. Stop fucking up. This is a goddamn murder investigation. Don't be incompetent twats, please.

We got some of the highest taxes in the country. You need Ziploc baggies? Get Ziploc baggies. And I'm sure after Rodney King, it was, you know, I don't know if it was stop beating up black people, but it was be fucking way more careful which black people you beat up and when you fucking do it or whatever. I don't know what the fuck it was, but, you know, things change, I guess. So anyway, the cops ended up showing up and the cops show up and they're Shug said Shug told him, by the way, if you want your jewelry back, call tomorrow and we'll talk about it. Shug said, Shug told him, by the way, if you want your jewelry back, call tomorrow and we'll talk about it.

And so anyway, he left a few minutes later and they let him leave a few minutes later. And then a couple of cops showed up because people had called the cops. His friend was downstairs and saw him hanging over the balcony and called the cops. So they show up and they're asking him, you know, what happened? And like Shug and all of his guys are standing around staring. He's like, nothing, I'm fine. Like, you know, what happened and like Shug and all of his guys are standing around staring. He's like, nothing, I'm fine. Like, you know, shit like that. He ended up going later on the next day to the Hollywood police station and telling him what happened at the party and all that sort of thing.

And he files a complaint of assault and robbery against the seven men in the VIP room later on. So the district attorney, though, refused to file charges for some reason evidence no they just looked at it as i don't know what's going on in there that's a bunch of whatever those people do i feel like it was one of those and i don't know if that's a racial thing mainly or just those rappers musicians or those i don't want to be a part of that those people i don't know what they're doing to each other that's not my fucking concern you know what i'm saying i really feel like that's the way they were looking at it so uh russell pool said quote they didn't want to prosecute because they knew

if they charged suge knight that he would accuse them of racism they figured this was all some kind of black shit and they didn't want to get involved with it that's the long and short of it so eventually mark dave anthony bell filed a civil suit against suge knight in death record and received a reported six hundred thousand dollar settlement then he moved to jamaica and just laid low for the rest never see me again never seen him again 600 grand 600 grand moved to jamaica lived on the beach nice plan that's beautiful man he's fucking drinking a a drink with an umbrella in it right now he's got a job again though he's yeah yeah 600 grand ain't lasting forever no no but it'll get you a decent place it'll get you out of of there to get you out of your situation anyway uh so he uh

also that he couldn't believe the cop was saying he couldn't believe that suge knight would personally expose himself like this like he's in charge of shit right you don't if you're in charge of the criminal empire you don't show up to do that no you have people do that it was just scarier yeah but this is that's what's fun for him he wouldn't he's not in this just for like the money or whatever he's he likes doing this shit he thinks this is fun he doesn't want other people to do it and take his joy away and take his credit away yeah it's exactly that's um i did it motherfucker that's what that's what happened. That's what he's looking at. Anyway, through all of this, he again gets away with some shit here.

He has the Linwood Stanley incident here. It looked like he's going to get prison time for this, for the Stanley brothers and, you know, making them try to attempt to make them humiliate them, shoot near them and all this sort of shit and smack them around, beat the shit out of them too, haul the gun in their face. So he goes to court for that. He has a lot of money, though, and a lot of good attorneys, and they bring in person after person who praises Suge Knight to the judge and pleads with him that he doesn't belong in prison.

He's essential to the community and all this stuff and so uh the stanley brothers even even the stanley brothers were testified on his behalf wow uh they recently signed a one million dollar contract with death row right before that which is negotiated with by david kenner kind of a conflict of interest right now also speaking on his behalf was the deputy district attorney assigned to prosecute him wow the guy who's prosecuting testing testified on his behalf pretty good guy telling him he doesn't belong in prison even though i brought him here on charges that should put him in prison this is lawrence long ago yeah he said that shug had become one of the head of one of the largest record companies in the country that employed numerous residents of Los Angeles County.

He said, tell you what, what about I know you want to give him 10 years, nine years, but suspended sentence. Let's just suspend it. Let's give him another chance. Prosecution recommends suspending the prosecution with five years of probation. I mean, you know know let's give the guy a break here now the judge who didn't know this at the time he said wow i mean even the prosecutor thinks this i mean this guy must have really cleaned up his act in the last couple years i i guess we should do this the only thing that the judge doesn't know though as long as that

long goes 18 year old daughter gina was signed to be the first white singer with Death Row Records. Hilarious. The prosecutor's daughter signed a record contract. And next thing you know, he's a good guy that really shouldn't be in jail. Everybody wants somebody in their family to be famous. Dude, that's fucking wild. And also, a couple months later, wild um and also during a couple months later um suge knight ends up uh um suge knight moves into a home that the prosecutor owns and david kenner pays the prosecutor's family nineteen thousand

dollars a month in rent a month a month for use of the property holy shit in the 90s wow uh that's crazy that's a big house that's a that's ridiculous yeah that's insane so uh any violation of his probation though would send him to prison and all of that sort of shit so he does have to do 30 days in a halfway house that he owed the state from before so anyway 30 days later he's out and now he wants to get tupac and the way he gets tupac in jail and all this has been covered in a lot of movies so the biggie tupac stuff like we'll get into it a little bit but we could do a whole if you want we'll do a whole bonus episode on the biggie tupac stuff but that's kind of a whole episode i'm happy to do a bonus episode about it because i've read

more about it than a human being probably should for mental health reasons. It's 100% fascinating, but more frustrating. It's very frustrating. So we'll stick to kind of, you know, Shug's role. And yes, I think Shug had something to do with at least Tupac's killing and probably Biggie's too. I'm not sure, but we'll do a bonus episode on it. I'll tell you what, sometime in the next few months, we will do a bonus episode on the deaths of biggie and tupac and that'll be fucking amazing so anyway tupac is serving his sentence in danimora at this time and he um this is after he got shot and all this shit he is uh suge is courting him hard suge is flying back and forth across the country to go visit tupac doing the same thing he

did with doc's mom yeah just i'm the guy who's here i'm here and uh this eventually gets to the point where tupac agreed that he would i'll sign with your record company if you can get me the fuck out of jail yeah so they do it's 1.4 million dollars bail that interscope records puts up yeah interscope records puts up for 1.4 million dollars that's a that's a reason to be putting that in songs out on bail because yeah there's no reason in the world that you should be out on bail out on bail straight out of jail yeah that's it right there he's uh so he's it's a it's a handwritten contract tupac signs and uh tupac is there gets out stretch limousine waiting yeah private flight out west the whole deal man so he uh

he showed he records songs right away tupac had a shitload they said but he got on the plane went to la was in the studio later that day he was in jail in the morning and in the studio that night getting it four tracks down that day like he's uh wow tupac was a hustler when it came to work and he that motherfucker worked and he was an artist like an actual artist he was it was so good yeah he worked he wasn't just putting out put this shit out because that's enough to fucking get make me some money right now like fill the album with this no he had a lot of shit yeah he had a ton of songs say yeah so he uh he does all this and it pays off all eyes on me sold three million albums and uh it was a big deal and also the california fucking song yeah really it's that helped them a lot they still play in every club

in la i know it's annoying it's obnoxious so tupac though the whole thing is he needed money that was his main problem he's paying a lot of people's bills he's supporting his mother his It's obnoxious. So Tupac, though, the whole thing is he needed money. That was his main problem. He's paying a lot of people's bills. He's supporting his mother, his sister. He's got kids. He's got an aunt, her kids, cousins. He's got all these people that he gives money to.

And yeah, they were talking about he had a girlfriend, and he was talking about moving to Arizona and not doing such hardcore gangster rap and all this type of shit but doesn't quite work out like that yeah um yeah um tupac uh you know does his thing in signs with death row and that kind of kind of seals his whole fate and i feel i really really feel like um that tupac i had to put this with him like he he had a fucking I don't know how to put it with you I'm sorry I needed to rephrase this so I don't say I want to say what I want to say here

this is when he lost his sense of humor I feel like Death Row was when he lost his sense of humor turned him into like just an angry man it was wasn't fun he wasn't fun anymore like his mean shit used to be mean but funny too and like kind of fun and like oh he's being a dick like he had this but then it got like you know i'm i should you should be scared of me and it's

like you're like five six a buck forty bro like what the fuck are you talking about you know what i'm saying like i don't give a fuck that you got a tattoo. You went to art school and you're the size of my mom. What the fuck are you talking about? You know, like, be real, dude. You know, you just did a movie with Janet Jackson. Like, that's awesome. And everyone should want to, you know, I get that.

That's great. But then don't be a fucking gangster the next minute. Right. I'm in movies with Janet Jackson. That's great. I have a cool career. don't act like you're when you weren't above the rim you didn't even play basketball because you're too small you're tiny you're too tiny you're too tiny like he he even like he was cast in a role in menace to society menace to society yeah he ended up getting a physical

altercation with one of the directors because he didn't like the character because he said he they were he said they were making him into a punk i'm like making you into a punk it's acting right so that type of shit get a sense of humor i know that was before this but still that was like 91 or 92 or some shit so um yeah he said that he liked death row because he's not scared neither of them and it should gets a bunch of gold rings gives them out to everybody his member of blood's rings the mob rings and all this sort of shit he's uh now jimmy iovine later on would tell federal investigators that he had no ideal no idea that harry o bankrolled death row you know up until december 95 he's like i have no idea about that how could i know that okay so harry o was threatening interscope and time

warner with a lawsuit that demanded a share of the company's profits so uh yeah uh jesus christ what a fucking disaster man jimmy ivy pay him i don't know if he ended up getting paid or not i think he did um i think he did it would be smart it would behoove jimmy to get some money to him yeah well in 1995 the head of time warner music division michael fuchs attempt to uh tried to get a prison meeting with harris and it's fucking christ man man. At one point, too, a few of death row employees said that Jake Robles and a group of other blood showed up at the offices of the record label they had with Interscope and took promotion department. And Iaveen said, they said Iaveen had to know that happened. So he was denying knowing anything, which is pretty fucking ridiculous. So who is this?

Oh, this guy, Jesus Christ. Happy Walters is a guy who managed Cypress Hill and House of Pain and guys like that. And he got in a shouting match with suge over who would appear on a soundtrack album you know business stuff right a few days later he was taking money out of an atm and he disappeared he disappeared and he was found like days later wandering around naked disoriented that's weird and he had like cigarette burns all over and shit like they tortured him for a few days and let him go.

Yeah, it's fucking insanity. Loud Records owner Steve Rifkin, who got in a public dispute with Suge also. He's loud at Wu-Tang Clan and pieces like that. He said that this guy hired one of Suge's former teammates to be his bodyguard and all this type of shit. And this guy said that this Rifkin guy wouldn't even take a piss by himself. Yeah, happy Walters. They said he showed up incoherent, shaved, and naked. Not shaved. Shaved.

Wandering the streets. You know what we mean. When they asked him what happened, he claimed he had amnesia. I don't want to remember that ever again. Warren G. was scared of him. Warren G. made comments to the source magazine in an interview. And he made comments that he was being robbed of credit on something. And then he called the guy back a couple days later and said, please don't publish my remarks.

And they went out anyway. So he bought a bunch of guns and dogs and security systems for his house because he figured suge knight would come and fucking attack him turn his pockets inside out and shave him and shave him you never know suge says he's an icon though that's the thing yeah he says quote there are still individuals in this society who can't stand the thought of a young black person with a gang of money in the bank. I'm sure that's true. But also dangerous ones.

Yeah, you're you're not the spokesperson for that. I don't think many. Yeah, that's not good. He said, quote, A black brother from Compton creates a company that helps people in the ghetto. So what does the government do? They try to bring him down. Sometimes people get sacrificed when they stand up. Martin Lutheruther king malcolm x sometimes they take away your life sometimes they take away your freedom it's sad he just compared himself he thinks he's malcolm x to martin luther king

sir what was your i have a dream speech are you out of your fucking mind i i don't know how many people martin luther king had beef with so he tried to make them drink a champagne flute of his piss do you think that happened often i've never heard about it i'm not sure i mean you know people die and you don't know what happened in their lives but i don't see no uh dr martin luther king uh forcing people to drink piss after he pistol whips them i just don't see Dr. Martin Luther King forcing people to drink piss after he pistol whips them. I just don't see that. I don't think Martin Luther King likes balconies very much.

I don't think that. Yeah, I don't see. Yeah, Shug, you're the worst example of what you're talking about. The absolute fucking worst example. On one side, yes, you're a young black guy who created this business which is great and that's a good thing but on the other hand you did it in a way that is not complimentary to young black people starting businesses because that's not the way you're supposed to start shit this is the way gangsters start shit that's not good never visited anybody in jail and asked them

for the startup business money yeah you know like known drug dealer and bad person that's what i'm yeah john gotti terrible guy but he never compared himself to fucking martin luther king you know what i mean he'd say i'm a fucking gangster that's what i do yeah i'm a fucking criminal not uh you know hey i'm just trying to persecute martin luther king over here like that's fucking that's wild the only thing he hasn't gone with martin luther king is that he's black that's it that is wild nothing else that's balls man so anyway um he is uh uh one guy is that how they really is that how shug pushed his success that was to speak like yes for black people oh yeah trying to oh wow he had politics maxine waters was speaking about what an important person he was he had to be culturally relevant

oprah was saying he was a good guy and this is what we need more of because on the surface if you didn't know all this shit it just looks great it looks like a guy who came from nowhere washed out of football yeah and now he's fucking got this thing and he's got his friends that he's helping and lifting up and got them out of these corrupt contracts and now they're making all this money it looks great on the service then you go holy shit that's how it happened he's a monster that is a terrible that's not how no no american business that's how the lucchese family started not you know american express this is fucking nuts so anyway, there's one guy named RBX. There's this guy RBX, and he was a death row rapper, and he's a big giant motherfucker

as well. Apparently, he got in a beef with Suge. It was at a theater. Suge became mad when RBX ate some fried chicken that Suge had ordered for his friends. Oh, no. Okay. Now, RBX stayed. Apparently, Shug got in his face, and RBX said, fuck you, bring it then, bitch.

I'm not afraid of you, motherfucker. He's a big, giant guy, too. And so Knight pulled out a pistol and handed it to one of his friends, and he said, quote, this is RBX, and if I whoop your ass, this guy's going to shoot me. So apparently Snoop Dogg reminded Shug that RBX was his cousin. quote if i this is rbx and if i whoop your ass this guy's gonna shoot me so apparently uh snoop dog reminded suge that rbx was his cousin oh so please don't shoot him maybe let this go you know don't shoot your top selling artist cousin probably that's not a good business move again not smart so uh that's what ended up happening and that was like a big deal though everybody was like oh shit

that guy stood up to suge it was like a it was a big deal it it suge felt didn't like that at all he probably fantasized about fucking with him forever yeah um it's at this point where dre wants to branch out on his own and get away from suge and suge harasses dre phoning his house telling him to surrender the master tapes and all that shit oh yeah it gets to that point he said suge told the source magazine later on quote finally i sent somebody over to dre's house to get the math the masters he said uh that dre wouldn't open the door so he went over himself he said i come through the gate see motherfuckers running and hiding he says uh but i played it cool he said i played a couple games of pool got my shit and left because i guess people called the cops on him so dre said it was different he said somebody rang his bell claiming to be

jimmy iovine when he opened the door he says quote suge comes in with eight or nine n words suge said we trying to get the tapes and he told the show that the tapes were being copied at the moment and suge said he would wait and uh you know sat there and like was muscling him basically um yeah so anyway dre just wanted out of the whole fucking thing he just couldn't stand being around suge anymore yeah he didn't like beach he wanted it to be more quiet basically yeah and uh i want to sell headphones man i want to do shit where i don't have to do anything and make money he's a music guy he's not like he doesn't care about all his gangster shit he's like i want to he likes to go in the studio and make beats like that's what he does

he doesn't care if who's armed and all that shit once he gets to do it funny and make funny easy in the video yeah exactly so 95 uh suge has to plead guilty to felony uh to a felony for armed robbery and assault with a firearm for that one incident we discussed here. May 14th, 1995. What happens here? Oh, yeah. Okay. The El Rey Theater in the Wilshire District here. Soul Train Records Award after party.

Oh, yeah. Three uniformed LAPD officers get called to the El Rey when a fight breaks out. They were standing on a sidewalk under a sign that read death row private party guest list only. They hear shit going on. So one of the three turned and saw a guy named Kelly Jamerson get hit in the head by a beer bottle at the time. So then they watched as a crowd of about a dozen guys surrounded this Jamerson and quote began kicking and hitting the victim on all areas of his body according to the police report by the time they reached jamerson he was he was dying he ended up he had a brain hemorrhage he ended up dying um they said approximately 400

people exited the theater as they attempted to protect the victim many were intoxicated failing to comply with instructions to remain where they were to get witness statements and everything like that everybody just took off um so he said that they do some poking around a bartender said he saw jamerson arguing with four black people four black males bartender believed that one of the suspects was a member of the death row records company he uh they described him as a black male 6'4 390 pounds with short hair cut into an angle not this isn't shug uh he also said that he observed the suspect remove a miller beer bottle from the counter and strike him on the head with it yeah the party was supposed to be a quote classy affair um they said a lot of strippers wearing glitter and g-strings and all that sort of shit very

very classy apparently yeah this guy got knocked around a little bit and then dj quick jumped in on he initiated the second attack on jamerson apparently dj quick was the one who started this they had tons of witnesses saying that dj quick quick was hitting him and kicking him and all this shit saying we're going to kill this motherfucker and they didn't press any charges on him at all yeah it's uh it's interesting that's i would say um so uh everybody there said dj quick started this shit like everybody who's oh dj quick started the physical shit definitely he was the first one to physically attack kelly jamerson according to the witness striking him with both a chair and a

champagne bottle before joining the others and stopping him after he fell to the ground yeah that's crazy uh they said that he grabbed him by the shoulder somebody said he grabbed dj quick by the shoulder during the the attack to try to pull him away. But, quote, DJ kept on like he didn't hear a word I said. The police tried to convince the witness to give his name and to actually testify, and he said he wouldn't testify. He said, quote, if they knew I was talking to you, they might kill my whole family. You police do not realize how powerful Suge Knight is. Going up going up against sugar any of his people is like going up against the mafia it's a death sentence yeah which yeah suge makes it really seem like that um they also uh dj quick

they had a lot of witness cases against they had another guy who'd been seen leaving the el rey theater missing a shoe which happens when you stomp somebody with it yeah a lot of people there um it's it's it's pretty fucked up man a lot of people see this happening and no one ever gets charged for it wow like it's that's wild dead man with nothing if that's somebody in your family and a bunch of people watched him get stomped by a shitload of people not one person gets fucking charged you'd be angry with that shit, man. You'd be pissed off. So people in a room and nobody saw anything.

Nobody saw anything, man. It was crazy shit. They did. People did see shit. They didn't charge him anyway. He met with the cops. That's what I'm saying. They didn't fucking charge.

Charge. I'd be like, let's see if nine people all say they saw DJ quick beating him with a champagne bottle. Let's start with him and then we'll go from there how about that so uh before death row suge was making a bunch of money uh from dealing drugs obviously police task force uh members say that he used to steal drugs from mexican suppliers he used to rob people of drugs as well so he had that going on uh they also said that there's death row for a while was being used as a clearinghouse for the transport of cocaine from the west coast to the east coast by members of the bloods gang as well uh yeah they'd

sell they'd bring a kilo for 18.5 from la to new york and they'd sell it in New York for 26,000. Incredible. Quick profit there. 1996, that's alleged by the Drug Task Force people. It's never charged or anything. And alleged against DJ Quick too because they never charged that shit. In 96, he said he's going to open an East Coast division of

Death Row Records. Uh-oh. Oh yeah. So, going gonna do that shit um let's see what is this one here okay this never mind that we'll go past that shug in vegas he gets a big place in vegas 5200 square foot hell yeah giant place uh it was mike tyson or i'm sorry it was it was two doors down for mike tyson at the time uh over an acre borders a golf course you might recognize the house actually because it's the house in casino that the federal agents land the plane on the golf course while pesci and de niro are talking that's suge knight's house that's suge knight's house he lives in that house he uh suge knight's house was jimmy's house in casino it was

yeah lefty rosenthal's house in robert de ni's house uh he wore a seven carat diamond in his ear which is uh that's a lot pretty fucking badass yeah i mean that's pretty cool he had he uh painted the bottom of his swimming pool blood red as well which is a strange thing to do to your swimming pool yeah now tupac eventually wants out of death row okay he's got a new girlfriend a fiance as a matter of fact kadada jones who has does her own shit and she also is the daughter of quincy jones okay so who owns vibe so you know he's now getting some good advice from some smart business people like quincy fucking jones who's a very smart businessman what's the lady's name kadada kadada jones kadada is rashida's sister i i'm maybe yeah if it's quincy's daughter yeah so yeah definitely

so rashida was almost tupac's sister-in-law yeah holy shit yeah i was gonna be there they were fiance that is wild she said kadada said he wasn't hanging out at strip clubs anymore he started to he took up cooking uh-. He liked Tupac. Cooking at home. Right now. I want that TV show. Dude, if Tupac was alive and had a cooking show, he would be crushing. Fucking crushing, dude.

He would have his own spices. Think about it. He would be living Snoop Dogg's life. Tupac rib rubs. his own spices. Think about it. He would be living Snoop Dogg's life. Like, this is great. Tupac rub rubs. All you had to do was survive the 90s, and then you can just do shit, hang out with, like, Martha Stewart

and stuff, weed and shit. Everybody will like you. He owed Death Row some records, but he said that he wanted to get the fuck out of there. He maybe wanted to have a kid. He wanted to chill out. September 7th, 96,

is the Tyson-Seldon fight at the MGM where Tupac gets shot. And like I said, to get into the details of it, Tupac was mad at, well, we won't get into the shooting part, but Tupac was mad at Suge because he had to wait. Tupac had to wait to go into the fight because Suge had the tickets. So he had to stand there at the gate where people are going in and wait for suga that's tupac shakur yeah as people are like going hey it's tupac why don't you come inside like oh i don't have my tickets like he's got to stand there like a fucking idiot and he was telling his friend fuck this shit every time we go somewhere he's always fucking late uh you know i didn't want to come to vegas anyway now we're gonna miss the fucking fight because tupac didn't want to come to vegas like she'll get to convince him come to vegas it's good you know blah blah blah so anyway there was the big fight in the casino that we've all seen the

surveillance footage of with you know shug coming and kicking him and then later on saying he was trying to help him up in court i helped him up with my foot by pushing him to the ground by his face you know that goes it's the way you help people, right? I'm dyslexic. I don't know. I told him, bite the Timberland. It's strong. I'll lift you up.

I'll pull you out of there. It's like quicksand, I thought. It's all I had. I didn't have a stick with me, or I would have hit him with that and hope he grabbed it. I thought the carpet was quicksand. That's how it goes. Hilarious.

So this is Orlando Anderson. They had beef with him the week before outside of a footlocker store by the lakewood mall um he he also snatched a death row medallion off of somebody and why would you do that it's a salad i guess i don't know so anyway tupac was the one who threw the first punch at this guy and all that kind of shit. After that, he drove out there in the BMW. He gets shot with a 40 caliber Glock. And the way they secured that scene was dog shit. They basically came up on the scene, treated Tupac and Shug like they were criminals.

The bicycle cops, rather than actually going, oh shit, there's a shot person, let's secure the scene and get a medical attention. They made sure that Shug was detained and everything first before they help a bleeding person and get any fucking people there. Unbelievable.

They fucked everything up. They let the crime scene in the street deteriorate, the original shooting scene because they drove away from it. So they let that, that was just an open intersection. There's people driving over shell casings and shit piece of shit police work this really was this was handled horribly by the fucking by them absolutely terribly um so anyway

uh he ends up instead of calling 9-1-1 after the shooting suge made a u-turn against the oncoming traffic and uh trying to avoid collisions with people and ended up pulling over to the side of the road and that's what ended up happening two bicycle cops heard the shots and gave chase and the cars had its tires shot out so the cops were able to catch up to it and that's how that ended and hit the fucking median and blew out a couple too yeah just a bad scene man the cops approached with guns drawn and ordered him out of the car so suge is getting out going fucking dudes shot in there anyway suge will from this whole thing tupac will end up getting obviously dying from this whole thing he won't like cooperate with the police at all either on it um which is like kind of just a

gangster thing uh but like his lawyer david kenner promises the vegas police that he's going to show up and for questioning but he doesn't shit like that you know what i mean for a long time and to this day he'll he will say i didn't do anything i got shot in the head yeah he had a scratch on his head that the medical people said there was a scratch on his head maybe from glass that broke maybe scratched him on the head or he took his fingernails but it's not a bullet it's not a fucking graze from a bullet and he said i got shot in the head he went as far in an interview to say he still has a bullet lodged in his head lodged in there so that's his way of saying i'm obviously innocent so this is this is fucking crazy.

So after all of this, though, it was captured on videotape. And since he won't come in for questioning or anything like that, the D.A.'s office decided to argue that Knight's participation in the beating is a violation of his probation, suspended sentence, all that kind of shit. And, yeah, that's how it ended up going this judge sends him to uh uh to county sends him to county for failing a court-ordered drug test and now they're having all these motions to uh to revoke his probation scheduled in february of 1997 later on so he is he is fucked you know at this point he is in deep shit and um once he gets out of county i mean he's just pacing his his one of his mansions he's got an encino mansion he likes to hang out in he's pacing his mansion he just bought it though and it's not red enough is his

problem he's like i like this place but it's still it's got like the southwest thing it's not i'd like more red in here yeah i called the guy and then he came and knocked on the door and it's Dexter Manley, interior designer from New York City. And he says, how is it you've come to arrive here? Seriously? Oh my God. Champagne flutes of piss, sir. You, sir, are white trash. I'm sorry. Everything you're doing. This is all very trashy. It's trashy. It just is. I'm I'm very disappointed because I could do a lot with this place. You have a lot of money. It's beautiful. The architecture is nice, but I don't know what you're thinking i'm oh oh no i said i'm gonna have to let him in i'm sorry you're giant you're aggressive you're exactly what he liked you're insane he loved i'm sorry let me in there

okay vince i'm coming i'm so open the door i'm gonna open the door for him i'm so here he is vince i know it's i'm sorry i i'll look around i'll measure the windows you can talk to him oh my god look at you oh my god you're huge with your head it's so bald ah look at you your arms your chair you're gigantic ah do me a favor i'm i'm getting very excited but but but these put these overalls on yeah just them on. I want to look for just a second. Get that shirt off. Come on. Put these. No, no, no, no, no.

I changed my mind. No, not these overalls. We're going to make you, we're going to do like we did with Tony Atlas in the early 90s. We're going to dress you. You speak no English. We're going to act like you're from the jungles of Africa and you're just, you don't know what you're doing. And that's what we're going to do. We're going to give you like a Kamala gimmick, like from the jungles of Africa and you're just, you don't know what you're doing. And that's what we're going to do.

We're going to give you like a Kamala gimmick, like from the 80s. That's what, that's what you're going to get right there. Oh, I can see her. Vince, Vince, Vince, you're getting carried away. Don't, don't interrupt me when I'm in a, I'm on a roll. I'm creating characters. I'll take him away. It's okay.

I'm sorry. I'm your white trash, but I'm sorry. I have to go to no, no, give me to him, but take your shirt off, please. And poof.

Yeah. In a, in a cloud of feathers and 10 99s, he's gone and both men are gone. And, uh, sugar is very, you didn't have time to get his gun out.

He was so confused by the whole thing. He didn't know what happened there. Um, so should got stopped by the police at one point here in beverly hills with a gun in his glove compartment that's bad that he purchased illegally also from a gang guy so that's not great he's uh convicted of transporting a gun across state lines but he wins a probation in federal court somehow he gets out of federal court, federal court. Jesus.

At the same time, though, the U.S. Justice Department organized a multi task force agency or a multi agency task force to investigate claims that Shug and Death Row were trafficking both drugs and guns at that point. So, yeah, this is things. So, yeah, this is a thing. Once two pocket shot, things start to get a little less starts to be a little less cool to be with Suge Knight. At one point, they have a primetime live on ABC starts out their broadcast with some say he's the most dangerous man in music. Now, it's it's like that rather than just he's the American dream. Right. It's like that rather than just he's the American dream.

He goes to court for the MGM melee in February 97 for his probation revoking hearing here. Orlando Anderson is now testifying for him, saying that he was trying to play the peacemaker. I'm sure he paid him off. And he said, quote, I seen him pulling people off me he describes suge as the only one yelling stop this stuff hey stop all this stuff now this is ridiculous you're acting like children yeah suge come on guys we've just heard two hours and 20 minutes of suge does it sound like the type of guy that'll go come on stop this stuff when violence is happening he might go not in the face that might be it.

Body blows only. Body blows only. Who needs phone books? He's passing out yellow pages. Jesus fucking Christ, man. So, yeah, that's what that's goddamn wild. The judge, though, he says that he saw Shug kick Anderson three times. He goes, I don't know.

That's a weird way to help somebody. So also there's there's psychologists involved in this and uh they the judge rules that he was an active participant but before the final ruling david kenner produces a psychiatrist that gets paid 250 an hour to tell the court that he strongly disagrees with the probation department's report that claimed that Shug was, quote, criminally oriented. Doesn't believe it. He said that the psychologist said he's a socially active, concerned citizen of the community who displays neither a propensity for violence

nor what he would describe as antisocial behavior. He says, quote, he's not a dangerous person. Oh, my. So, yeah, he's really good. Shug, though, he says quote he's not a dangerous person oh my so yeah he's really good uh shug though he says to the judge quote i definitely don't want to do my life behind bars but if it's more positive for the community by me being incarcerated incarcerated then i'm willing to sacrifice myself because now i'm jesus i'm willing to say no you don't have a choice right he's acting like i know i could say i don't want to go to jail and you'll let me go.

But if it's better for the young black children of the community, I'll happily sacrifice myself. I'll die for their sins. Fucking idiot. So the judge replies with a recitation of his fucking criminal history, all of his shit that he's done. He's pled. We've gone over it. Lots of shit shit that he's done. He's pled. We've gone over it. Lots of shit like that. He rules that should should be detained for 90 day diagnostic examination, then return to the court in May to be sentenced to prison. Two weeks later, Biggie gets shot, too, and killed in L.A., obviously.

And we'll go over all of that in the other episode there, because that really doesn't sugar wasn't there for that even though he you know he's there for that yeah uh also there's this kevin gaines guy we got to go over this quickly because kevin gaines is a guy who that that police connection that i gave you kevin gaines is the the personification of it kevin gaines is a guy who gets shot to death by another cop in a road rage incident uh they they have all the video footage of it kevin gaines is a guy who gets shot to death by another cop in a road rage incident they have all the video footage of it kevin gaines basically look like uh he acted he pulled a fucking gun on somebody in traffic and then followed him quickly and had with his gun out trying to attack the guy in a parking lot so this other guy shot him turns out they were both

undercover cops wow uh gains though wasn't working at the time and gains uh had gone off into a whole other thing he was working for suge knight he was training day shit he's living with sharitha knight oh no he's hooked up with sharitha knight and he's living with him and getting paid by suge knight he has all these exotic cars and all this shit like he's definitely into some shit basically and uh they won't that they won't that let that be investigated essentially is what happened and sharitha night uh tells a story about kevin gaines at one point saving her life because uh kevin i guess did some security work for death row at one point sharitha and and suge were having problems so suge got in the car with with sharitha and kevin gaines and made kevin drive out to the desert and then

basically was threatening to kill him before kevin showed him his gun and his badge and she was like he's a fucking lapd you're not gonna kill an lapd officer in the desert and he's got a gun too so you know what the fuck's up basically so anyway he ended up working for him sometime and uh all that short sort of shit sharitha was working as snoop dog's manager as the time at the time and gains was working as his bodyguard so that's how that kind of worked and uh yeah sharitha uh sharitha from they said in his uh pay stub it said sharitha from marion knight monthly allowance ten thousand dollars she was giving him ten thousand dollars uh yeah that's pretty fucking wild they also found bedding stubs from vegas a bunch of uh shit like that in his uh in his real

estate documents he also had eight by ten glossies of shug and Tupac, and they were also taped up to the back wall of his locker. Which is pretty fucking... This is a big fan. Big fucking fan here. So, that's fucking interesting. 2001, he's finally released after serving five years in prison. He has to serve the rest of his shit there. As part of his parole conditions, he's not allowed to make contact with dr dre that's part of it which is funny um so 2002 he has a confrontation

with snoop at the bet awards yeah and uh which is fucking hilarious uh december 2002 he's arrested for violating his probation after moving to malibu without notifying his parole officer. He's also found to be consorting with known gang members and sent to jail for 61 days. 2003, he punches a parking lot valet outside a nightclub in Los Angeles. Serves 10 months for that offense. Holy shit. 2005, stopped for an illegal U-turn. They find weed in his car, which who cares?

It's in California. It's fucking legal now. He's found to have violated his parole, and he's jailed for a week and placed under house arrest for two months. Also 2005, he goes to a big party for Kanye West here in Miami. It's a party to honor Kanye West here. And according to the police, Knight is shot in the right leg around 12.42 a.m. Oh, it's all downhill.

Yeah. Witnesses said at least six shots were fired and Miami firefighters evacuated the club. He's taken to the... He had a fractured leg. He's taken to the hospital. And they said they haven't turned up any suspects, but they're trying to find him. Eddie Murphy, Paris Hilton, a fractured leg he's taken to the hospital and uh they said they haven't turned up any suspects but

they're trying to find him uh eddie murphy paris hilton jessica alba we're all at the party which is fucking hilarious um you know paris hilton is at a party where shots are fired yeah no there's no they weren't searching famous everyone's searching eddie murphy at the door he's fucking ever eddie murphy you hope he's got a 45 in his back like beverly hills cop you hope he does you know you want him to have that so um yeah they said the guy who shot him was described as a black man wearing a pink shirt that's all they have so uh miami they said yeah best of luck finding that guy everybody we don't have any physical description we don't know how many subjects were involved which is mind-boggling with all those people around.

That's what the police spokesman said. So, yeah, shot there. That's pretty fucking insane, I would say. But the problem is people fled the party. They think that Shug shot himself. They think he pulled a plexiglass and accidentally shot himself. That's why there's no description it's black guy in a pink shirt yeah and nobody saw anything because he might have shot himself in the leg and he's on probation or parole or whatever he's not supposed to have a gun so he has to say someone shot him they said they never

able to uncover to recover any shell casings so they thought maybe it was self-inflicted which is uh pretty fucking funny yeah um they said also shell casing could have got lost in a crowd stampede. Who the hell knows? So Shug sues Kanye for this, though. Fucking hilarious. He got me shot, Kanye. Yep. No one ever got arrested.

He had more than $200,000 in medical bills, and he lost one of his earrings that was worth a shitload of money during the incident. So they claim West and the nightclub provided insufficient security for the event, which was, it was a pre-MTV music video awards event. Pre-show, what? Come on.

Yeah, and night seeks damages well over $1 million. Jesus. And he's sewing Yeezy. 2006, maybe this explains it 2006 knight files for bankruptcy oh that's why and declares both him and himself and death row records bankrupt wow claims debts of more than 100 million dollars for death row 107 million dollars to be exact is the uh motion so in civil court so uh that's a lot in debt in debt um so he basically has to give up the company um there was a hearing that he wasn't even present

for um in 2008 late to everything yeah 2008 he's knocked out cold for three minutes during an altercation you know in a nightclub just uh big fat lump of shit on the ground just absolutely cold as fuck when you wake up from that you gotta go i guess my time is over i guess it's over now shot and knocked out it's over i'm done it's uh yeah i think i need to go start learning how to cook yeah i think to follow tupac's example um he uh yeah he's there and um apparently this was over money some sort of thing i don't know what the fuck it was but he got knocked out yes for a dollar yeah you got any money where's my money later in the year he's arrested on drug and aggravated assault charges when metro police spot him purchase or punching a naked woman

with one hand while clutching a knife in the other. Oh, my God. So he's holding a knife and punching a naked woman. He's just deciding whether he wants to stab or punch. She's naked, dude. Thankfully, he chose the right one. One better than the other. So he's charged with felony assault with a deadly weapon, drug possession, and domestic violence.

felony assault with a deadly weapon, drug possession, and domestic violence. 2009, he sustains face injuries after being punched twice by Akon's business manager Robert L. Carnes Jr. during an altercation at the W Hotel in Scottsdale during the

NBA All-Star weekend. It was a middle-of-the-night fight and landed him in the hospital. Two people ended up getting arrested for that. That weren't him, which uh yeah they're called about 3 30 a.m imagine all the fucking scottsdale golfers at the w who are like what's happening here i think that w is in old town too that's that one over there but yeah yeah i'm sure that's in i'm sure it fucking was um so um they end up death auctioning off shitload of death row stuff. They have a big death row auction, which is it's just like a big swap meet where people walk through and picked up whatever they had posters and CDs and everything.

It's awesome. They ended up one was the electric chair. Yeah, they're the electric chair. Twenty five hundred. It went for. That's a deal. That's pretty goddamn cool. The death row electric chair.

And some guy said he was going to put it in his office in his business. He said, quote, my guys are going to be really surprised tomorrow. I don't know who that guy is. Over 600 items were auctioned off, including CDs and records and shit like that. They're selling CDs for 20 cents. Wow. Just whatever the fuck. Just get it out of here.

Posters um a jacket i know one of i think a snoop dogg's jacket i think was there um let's see here uh yeah a bible belonging to suge knight went for 325 dollars an mtv award an actual award actual mtv award for snoop dogg's best rap video sold for 1500 bucks unbelievable that is awesome that's so fucking cool we could have had that that's really cool i'd put that on a credit card oh i would pay i would pay that off yeah i would fucking i would make payments on that shit that's cool that's worth oh that's so rad so um 2012 he's arrested for marijuana possession while driving with a suspended license that's not good and while they had him pulled over, they found multiple outstanding warrants for previous violations.

He's placed on three years of unsupervised probation for that. He's in so much trouble. He's just a mess. 2014, Dr. Dre sues Suge Knight and Death Row Records for $3.05 million in unpaid royalties for the music he worked on while Suge Knight was leading the label. Dre claims the company owes him $1.2 million in royalties, $1.1 million in digital sales, and $676,000 in unpaid

mechanical royalties. Holy shit. Wow. He's also shot again. From coast to coast, baby. God damn it. He's shot at a West Hollywood pre- pre-mtv vmas party don't go to any pre-parties for mtv awards stop doing it for the pre-party fuck i guess that's where parties go this time the party was hosted by who chris brown you got to expect to get shot at a party hosted by chris brown there's gonna be some violence there. Yes. Apparently they shot at him six times.

He had to have surgery. Again, refuses to cooperate with law enforcement. So it's not just Tupac. You can't use his, you can say he's involved for a lot of other reasons, but you can't use his refusal to cooperate with the cops on the Tupac killing as evidence that he was involved. Because even when he gets shot, he won't tell you who shot him. And if he gets punched, he won't tell you who fucking punched him.

He got shot six fucking times. And wouldn't say shit to anybody about it. So that's something. He was so disoriented after he got shot, he was asking people, I was shot? He didn't know what the fuck was going on. Six times, Shug. Yeah, a lot, Shug. Yeah, you're very fat.

You know, it's okay. You are super shot right now. Oh, man. a lot shug yeah you're very fat you know it's okay you are super shot right now oh man next up he's hanging out with kat williams and he's arrested in las vegas for second degree robbery and driving with a suspended license it was knight and kat williams suspected in a beverly hills robbery in which they allegedly stole a camera and inflicted minor injuries on a paparazzi that is an odd couple that's's a funny couple. The biggest, fattest man and the skinniest little man in the world.

That is a fun buddy cop movie. Oh, that would be hilarious. I'd love to see that. The DA said that each of them was charged with one count of robbery. It involved a female photographer who was taking pictures of celebrities. No. Stop it. Good God. 2015, he is arrested on suspicion of murder over a fatal hit and run incident that

left a person dead and this was the one that you'll see the you can see footage of it on youtube of him backing over a man it's bad and then driving over again and driving away it's so bad it's bad shit uh he's later hospitalized for a blood clot at that point, too. He turns himself in. He has a blood clot. He ran over a guy. He's having a bad time. It's Terry Carter is the man that he murdered, that he ran over and murdered, let's say, because he got convicted of it. An attempted murder of Clee Bone Sloan, who was maimed after he was also struck with the car. who was maimed after he was also struck with the car.

Suge Knight collapses in court on March 20th during a hearing after learning that his bail is set at $25 million. Wow. That is shocking. That's a lot. That's shocking. Since then, they lowered it to $10 million, though, which is still a shitload. Still too much. He's bankrupt.

I mean, they're selling off his electric chair. The video of the incident shows the truck was being driven by night. It pulls into the entrance of a Compton restaurant near the set of the movie. He was showing up to do that, to hang out there. The driver is approached by Sloan, who's a security guard. It's Suge driving. They talk for a few seconds while night's still in the vehicle. Suddenly, Suge backs up knocks sloan to the

ground while still in reverse he moves out of the range of security camera then zooms forward then backs into camera range running over him a second time then he hit the other guy carter the uh he's a former rap label music owner and uh and hits him and he ends ends up killing Carter. But Sloan ends up being run over a couple times. So the defense previously argued that Knight was defending himself because Sloan had a gun. He was the security guard in the parking lot.

He's supposed to have a gun. That's what that has. You run him over. So the bail gets lowered to $10 million, like we said. That doesn't help any, though. Awaiting his murder trial, he fires his lawyer based on a suspected leak from his legal team to the prosecutor, which is he replaces him with a guy named Stephen L. Schwartz, who's known for his representation of Michael Jackson during his child molestation cases. Perfect. Great.

This is just a fucking dream team. So 2017, he's back in the hospital for blood clots again. He's facing murder charges, blood clots. He's been in solitary confinement and everything else. He's all sorts of shit going on. Gary Gray, who is involved in the Straight Outta Compton movie here. He threatens to he gets arrested for threatening to commit a crime which would result in death and great bodily injury to Felix Gary Gray, according to the indictment. Apparently, Knight's lawyer read read the only he read the whole thing. And he said that he didn't think it was any. There's no meaning to this. This is ridiculous.

So his trial comes around in 2018, and it's about to start. This is also charged with conspiracy to commit subordination of perjury, conspiracy to commit obstruction of justice, and accessory after the fact to a felony um they attempted they his lawyer that he fired attempted to pay off witnesses i'm sorry it was fletcher the no fletcher's the matthew fletcher that's the other guy uh matthew fletcher here his lawyer was apparently paying trying to pay witnesses he uh it would take 20 to 25 000 to secure his freedom, he told Suge Knight, basically. You give me $20,000 to $25,000, I'll pay some witnesses off. So the indictment says that Fletcher suggested tonight that the surviving victim could be those paid off for the testimony, say that the guy was threatening Suge and all that shit. So this all sounds terrible.

He's trying to bribe witnesses now, too. So September 21st, 2018st 2018 he says fuck it and pleads guilty he's going away forever otherwise he's looking at you know life yeah yeah he's fucked so uh he's scheduled to be sentenced here um the prosecutors are calling for 28 years in prison is what he's looking at that's that's what it is and uh they said two other criminal cases will be dismissed because he pleaded on the murder charge. The judge says you, sir, may fuck off. 28 years in prison.

All of them. Banged him for it. I mean, if not him, who? He's got every record of violence there is. You let him out, he'll do something violent. A judge also affirmed a $107 dollar judgment against suge knight and death row records as well this was been that that's the one that was being litigated since 2005 right so that's all being appealed now it's over he's also on the hook for that um uh what is this oh yeah over the

objection of lydia harris who is michael o's harry o's wife who obtained the original judgment and later agreed with knight that it should be voided. He said this is the judge said this is a very old case with big names and big numbers. And so at this point he's in jail for life. He owes people untold amounts

of millions of dollars. He's got blood clots and he shoots himself and gets knocked out all the time. He's having, it's not the same. 2015 show is not 1995. It is not 92. 20 years can really take its toll on you. Ruins.

You can't be the same person forever. That's the thing. You got to chill the fuck out and go behind the scenes at some point here. So happy with what you got. No shit. So that is Shug night. And like we said uh you know we could go into a little more detail with an extra hour here than we had on the virtual live

show and uh we will do a bonus episode at some point for biggie and tupac some point very soon maybe that'll be the not the one coming up but the next crime and sports bonus after that so that'll be biggie and tupac but we hope you like suge knight and that crazy ass story what a life that could have been a two-parter too if i'm being honest here that we could have gotten the details on some shit that could have made it very long so um that we hope you enjoyed that because we enjoyed the story it's a fucking one of the craziest stories we've ever done i can't believe that guy's life is so interesting it's wild man well you should tell us about how what you think of it though tell us how wild it is go on apple podcast that purple icon

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