Crime in Sports - #263 - Busted, Prison, Rinse, Repeat - The Unremittingness of Charles Zwolsman Sr

Episode Date: July 13, 2021

This week, we try to catch up with a man who built his whole life on speed. Fast cars. Fast money. And repeatedly getting caught for what he did. He financed a racing team on drug profits, after failing in the flower industry. Like most professional athletes, right? It's very unique story, and there is always more crazy, just around the next turn!  Have your flower importing business go bankrupt, turn that business into importing drugs, then try to make it all okay by spending your profits on race cars with Charles Zwolsman Sr!! Check us out, every Tuesday! !We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!  Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail]  Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurder See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And it's in the afternoon. Yeah. So not that it's going to be dark anytime soon, but as the afternoon progresses, there's going to be explosions everywhere. Andulated very well very well yeah planes don't bother it big trucks can go it's fine but nothing set up to mask explosions like mortars from your neighbor are a little louder than a plane it's gonna be louder so fair warning the east coast yeah you guys are so jacked about independence still 200 years post and they're still jacked about it it's a recovered party the west coast seems like they could give a fuck right up until about it's on fire yeah that too yeah but right up until like 11 30 nobody really cares and then between

11 30 and like 1 a.m it it's bedlam. It's absolute. Yeah. Phoenix, since they like kind of legalize some fireworks every New Year's Eve and every 4th of July. Yeah. If you go outside at one in the morning, there's a smoke layer hanging 30 feet. It looks like. It looks like San Diego at 8 a.m.

It looks like it looks like pictures of Antietam, like from the Civil War battlefield, like post, when it just got over. Everything but the corpses. A 50-foot layer of gun smoke. It's wild. It smells like gunpowder. That's it. But, yeah, East Coast, you won't notice. It won't, like, distract you.

But if you just hear, like, poof in the background during a pause, it might be that. You won't bother. But that's what it is. It's not anybody like blowing their brains out in our facility. So don't worry about that. That said, I think it's time here. We have a very interesting story. It's an overseas story.

And I promise I won't make up a childhood on this one because I'm not going to do it every time. It's an overseas person. You'll never know when it's coming. That's the thing. That's why it's nobody will be fooled if it's every time. That's what I mean. It's always an over. He's going to do it every time it's an overseas person. You'll never know when it's coming. That's the thing. That's why it's... Nobody will be fooled if it's every time. That's what I mean. Oh, he's going to make up a shot.

No, no, no, no. Boys crying wolf and shit like that. Don't be a never know. That's why you can believe that a man, that a boy beat a bear to death with a broken hockey stick for attacking his brother because you've heard nothing but facts for the previous year before that. Now all of a sudden you're like oh shit wow this is crazy so we're going to talk about a man

named charles zwolzman zwolzman zwolzman with a z z w o l s m a n okay that's a lot of letters to only have two vowels yeah it's just a lot that's a that is a shit six to two consonant to vowel ratio. Not a good one. It's tough. But old Charles here, he's born August 6th, 1955. And he's born in the Netherlands. He's Dutch. And we've only had, I think, the only other Dutch person we've done.

It's a made-up story. Well, just the childhood was made up. Bernard Below. The rest of his whole story was true. His childhood playing with the wooden clogs and the tulip that was one of my i'm proud of that one that's fooling you number one isn't it yeah that was that was the tulips you know made into strings with the that's the tulip that broke the camel's back right there oh he was bell he wasn't he was bell he was from belgium. Yeah, you're right. They sold Belgian waffles.

And remember, he had a Belgian waffle stand at the edge of a completely empty park. And it was just tough going. And people were like, wow, that poor kid. But clogs still came in. The clogs, yeah. His mother had to carve them. Carve them shoes. And they carved the tennis racket and made it from tulip.

Twine. Which makes it from tulip. Twine. Which makes it a strong twine, actually. Were you sitting at 3 a.m. and go, what can twine tulips? I don't know, start some tea? I definitely was sitting at 3 a.m. and I was like, I can't find shit on this guy's life. What the fuck, man? All I know is it's like adulthood. I got nothing on the childhood.

What am I going to say? And then I'm like, I mean, Jesus it's why can't he have something ridiculous and then it just started coming and i just was like yeah i'll do something like that i didn't write any of it down it was just a fucking i wrote down like uh i wrote down belgian waffles and like i think tulip string tennis racket and then the rest ridiculous anyway this fine tennis that's it that was it i had like three bullet points and next thing you know he has childhood we fill it in so he's from i don't know how you say this and i'm gonna say it wrong oost oost zahn netherlands oos very few words start with double o first of all o-o-s-t-z-a-a-n double o double a wow so that's

a lot oos zan netherlands so there's that i know i'm not saying that correctly i understand that now there marks over at least a couple of those vowels i found no i didn't find an umlaut in the whole bunch here nothing and we do ask as we do with all foreign obviously yeah foreign countries and sports to us anyway foreign we ask that you find our ignorance charming that's always our standard standard request from everyone so uh ustan i'm like where is he from first of all so usually when they're from here if he's like he grew up with a a dirt floor in Mississippi, like we immediately know what that looks like and what that is. If I say he's from Uztan, you go, what the how many fucking letters are in that? It's weird.

He has like the exact opposite ratio in the name of the town of consonants to vowels as he does in his name. Yeah. He just borrowed them. Yeah. Overly vowel. That's the problem. None of these people in this town have any vowels in their name because they are all taken by the town so the last name sounds like a town name too

like everything's so confusing it's i don't understand how they do it i mean i'm sure it makes more sense to them yeah we have like 45 words for everything so other when people learn english they're like what the fuck man How does that word have four meanings? What are you talking about? What are you? So you just it's the same word. Say it the same, but you spell it one letter differently and it means a completely different thing.

And it's a real word. Yeah. This is like we have slang words that do that. Like you can use it a million different ways. But I mean, imagine you're trying to learn English and if you're trying to learn a language, you're like, OK, that's, you know, supermarket is what now? And you're trying to learn english and if you're trying to learn a language you're like okay that's you know supermarket is what now and you're like you know microphone imagine if trying to explain they're there and they're to someone in that case they'd look at you and go i fuck it i give up i fucking i don't care i don't want to speak english that badly

that's so ridiculous a vast majority of americans who have a pretty good grasp they don't know they can't figure it out that's what i'm saying so if you really wanted to figure it out you'd be like i don't get how the what what did you do you guys just ruined the language a lot of people cannot spell the sentence they're having trouble with their english over there no that's no good luck everybody with that no there are a lot as we see from social media there's a lot of people who have no idea how to do that they're they don't know where the fuck to put an apostrophe yeah the apostrophe is really bothered and we're this is the thing we're stupid i'm done this is

yeah i don't have a high school diploma so neither of us are sitting here saying like oh we're someone we're so smarter we're so smarter see there that so smarter. See, there. That's how dumb we are. I just said so. I'm also very stoned and I ate an edible. So what do you want from me? Jimmy's got a Corona in his hand, but that's not the point. Right. We're not saying we're better than anyone, but this is very basic shit that even morons like us know.

So if use us as an example, not like oh they're doing well go if these fucking morons know this i should know this that's what you should do wow i'll overcome the shit out of a sentence but i will apostrophize the right thing you'll say apostrophize but then you'll do it correctly i only have one like uh not great not even a grammar Nazi thing, like a speech, one word that bothers me because it's the most misused word in the English language. And I'd like to just, when I learned it, I was like, whoa, yeah. Okay. Momentarily means for a moment, not in a moment. If you say I'll be there momentarily, that means you're going to show up and then be there for a second and then leave. It doesn't mean I'll be there inarily that means you're gonna show up and then be there

for a second and then leave the fuck that doesn't mean i'll be there in a few minutes that's not what that means and i'm talking and this isn't just people on the fucking news use it wrong yeah like people it's you'll hear it i heard it in an airport announcement they said it wrong and i'm like no one knows how the fuck and i didn't know until i was like 30 momentarily yeah before a moment then then what about the rest of us okay so you'll board about half of first class and then me back in row 14 i'm fucked what about the people that aren't uh military service what about me and 26 back there well you know group five what am i doing about me that's not traveling with a two-year-old yeah how

do i get on the plane because that's a short time to fucking board for there's 300 people i don't think we're gonna get in all in a moment you should keep boarding open longer obviously that doesn't matter but it's one of those things once you hear it then you can't unhear it and every time you hear it you go why are you doing that you're saying it wrong not even you're dumb it's just oh god why do i have to know this so it's not their fault i didn't know it till i was probably 32 years old so i don't know anyway yeah uh ustan yes netherlands is apparently together with west zahn and assen felt they have the word ass in so many words it's really hard for an immature comedian yeah to to see the word ass in every this town ass and felt ass and delft which is so much like ass and felt felt my ass it's just it's so easy it's hard

not to they're considered there's so much grab ass happening well i mean it's the you know they have the red light district they do. That's legal, grab ass. I believe it's Assendelft Street. For a few bucks. For a couple of bucks. It's considered the mother towns of the Zandstreek, which is the region around the River Zahn, which has two A's in it. Everything has two E's, two A's. They really double up on it all.

We're big on two O's in English, but over here, I haven't seen, I've said to Ustan, they're just double valid up. They're the three oldest towns there. And apparently these towns are big in shipbuilding. Oh. So as a lot of rivers. Yeah. Yeah.

Rivers on there. In the 17th century. Yeah. So we're talking the 1600s here. Ustan had its own pirate what its own pirate named clace campion hell yeah campion pay on pay in what did he do okay besides pirate well he's just a pirate yeah he didn't do much he just put a patch on sailed around and you know was people were like hey look at him he looks like a pirate he's uh he originally sailed from the netherlands

as a legal pirate captain which i don't know if that existed it's like being a legal drug illegal cocaine empresario like i'm allowed to steal all of your shit license to sell cocaine everybody back up legal pirate in possession of pirate letters i don't know what that means he's the male pirate the male pirate oh The mail pirate. Oh, there you go. The pirate mailman. There you go, everybody.

He's like the guy in Funny Farm. Yeah. Still a long, long time ago. Drunk and throwing shit off a boat. Mail flying out the window. Hope you got a net on that boat. Jesus Christ. So he soon began to raid ships just to do it, apparently.

And then this was from the English Channel all the way down to the Mediterranean Sea and the Atlantic coast side of the continent of Africa as well. Just all down from Europe, all the way down. And even into the Caribbean. He even crossed the fucking ocean, for Christ's sake, this guy. He apparently, and I just love the way this is said, so I have to say it, he liquidated the booty on the coast of Ireland. Sounds like something too short would say. That's liquidated that booty.

Well, that's an enema, liquidating the booty, I believe. Yeah, you could liquidate that booty. I think that's got to be a lyric somewhere. Tweet at us or something at us uh if you would if you know what song has the lyric i liquidated that booty please because i'm sure it's somewhere yeah it's got to be so uh the coast of ireland and also on the barbary coast which is apparently uh it's beauty isn't it i so. That's a good place to sounds fucking rad. It's a good place to do pirating.

Yeah, apparently a street in Uston is named for this guy. Wow. So he's like a local hero pirate got a street name. Yeah. Certain areas have like pirate where there's certain like pirate heroes like the like the the whole like buccaneer thing is based on a fucking legend of a pirate guy who's whatever the hell. The Jolly Roger was a boat that a pirate sailed on. I don't know which one.

I don't know. Well, no. Or was that Captain Hook's boat? It might have been. I don't know. I remember it was a garbage pail kit at one point. I think it was. I think it was the fucking.

I think it was Captain Hook's boat, to be honest with you. So we're just talking about Dustin Hoffman now? Okay, never mind. Cartoon Captain Hook. It all blends together. What the hell do we know about pirate history? This is what I'm telling you. I said we're not smart, so that's not what we're saying.

But I think Redbeard was a pirate. I know Blackbeard was. Yeah, I mean, who knows who the hell was real? There's a few that are famous, though. I don't know who was real and who wasn't in the pirate world. That's a good point, too. Because pirating is one of those things that it's all blend together with legend, and half of it's not true anyway. It's just to scare people.

I don't know what's real and what's not. I mean, pirates exist, obviously, and still. And today it's over. They won't let our family survive, so we're going to steal that fucking giant Maersk. Yeah, there's a lot. We're going to steal all your Hyundai packaged TVs. We will steal all of your Hyundai Sonatas. Until you let us catch trout or sea bats or whatever the fuck they catch down there.

Who the hell knows? It's crazy what economically it forces people into that field because they have no other way of taking care of their family. Yeah, I mean, how the fuck do you have a boat then they'll go pirate it's not really a boat boat it's a fucking skiff with like a lawnmower yourself against that yeah no they generally those boats don't the skill they didn't like a javelin and poke them away push them all yeah just get a big long stick get out of here throw a cinder block in the floor of it you push them away they come back with their with their outboard motor, their four horsepower. Their fucking Evinrude.

Nope. You push them back. They keep coming. Their fucking trolling motor. Yeah, that's what it is out in the ocean. Giant boat. A big stick. Come on.

No. No. We said you can't. No. Get back. I'm surprised. I mean, that's interesting surprised i mean that's interesting i don't know i don't know i'm not a i know nothing of about pirates i've just seen like it's just a load of socks anyway i didn't even see the tom hanks movie like i'm i don't know that's generally i mean they have ar-15s on those little skips yeah no it seems like they're formidable foes they're

not a guy's floating up on a the big, those people just have like a pistol or whatever to forward, what? Fend off whatever. Yeah. I don't know if it's for sea life or for people, but they don't have like armories on those boats. They should have like a guy, like a missile guy. They ought to. Yeah.

You might want to have a bodyguard. Just like one torpedo guy on the side. Torpedo guy. He goes underneath the hatchet. He can explode a fucking skiff. Locked and loaded, sir. The ocean has different rules. Fire at will, son.

Jimmy, there's different rules on the ocean. It's just two guys with a fishing pole. Fire at will. You know what? On the ocean, things can happen. Burn the ship. Fire. Send them to Davy Jones' locker. go yosemite sam all over these motherfuckers that's what i'm talking about because not only them anybody you don't know

on the ocean people could make you sink this isn't the the road where they could bump into you pull into a gas station and figure it out you're on the ocean you can sink you come near me yeah i'm poking you away with a big stick if that's not enough. I don't care. Let's get the missile guy working. I don't know how strong the walls are of those giant ships either. It seems like it'd be pretty easy to puncture them. Yeah. Missiles.

One hole. You know what I mean? In a giant ship. Yeah. I don't care how little it is. It's taking on water. Yeah. That's a problem.

It's a lot. Yeah. So just a little, not a giant missile, just a little missile. Just a little guy. You don't need a lot if it's a boat. Yeah. That's a problem. It's a lot. Yeah. So just a little, like a, not a giant missile, just a little missile. Just a little guy. You don't need a lot for it's a boat. Right. You know what I mean?

It's a little skip. Yeah. So it'll, just one hole and they're fucked, so. I don't think those things have like bilge pumps

or anything. I think it's just a little steel boat. It's a one missile job. It's all it is. It's very easy, so that's all. I don't know.

To the depths with you if you're gonna if you're trying to survive i'm just here out of the ocean i said release the crack and yeah that's it jesus christ fire the fuck one missile called the kraken that's it the other one's called nessie yeah two no that's all they got two missing one for each starboard yeah that's it that's all see i don't even know which side and the other side on the other side the only thing i know about boats is from watching below deck so it's not very much i don't know i know port and starboard don't know which side is which and i learned it from captain ron i just i know i know captain ron and captain lee are the only people that have ever educated me on anything. Captain Ron said it a couple times, and Captain Lee yells at people and fires them once in a while for that.

I don't know. I assume I'd get fired very quickly on a boat. Go to that site. Which side is that again? I've told you. It's the fucking second week, man. Walk the plank. Drop him off somewhere.

I can't walk the plank. I don't know which side it's on. I don't know which side it's on. Starboard shit. Can we just say left and right? Do you want me just to jump off? I'll swim back. The back of the boat is the stage.

So just do like stage left, stage right, and then I'll know. And the whole rest of the boat will call a stage. That way, if you say right, I'll know to go to my right if I'm facing the front of the boat. The rest of the boat, showroom. That's what it is. That'sroom that's what it is tell me is it a house or stage what you talk starboard i don't know those words house or stage i know that one uh someone says you know exit stage left i know where to go that shit if you told me go to the what's the other one stage right oh starboard starboard and what port and the port yeah i don't know where i'm fucking going the port sounds like it's underneath like there's a port to the water like and that's a silly name for them because port side don't they port on both sides

of the fucking boat or did you only do that at some point on one side of the boat i've seen boats going back in sometimes pull up on both sides the sides look the fucking same they're very matched it's symmetrical it's a fucking boat. They're matched. It's symmetrical. It's a fucking boat. It's not like one side's got a big staircase and the other side's like a wall. It's a goddamn boat. There's no air slide that comes out of one side that we get off this motherfucker. We are way off base.

Yeah, we are. This is what happens. Sailing. This is what happens, Jimmy. This is what we do. You know what? I don't care. I'm enjoying myself. And today is, you know know we're having fun yeah it's a celebration celebration bitches

so anyway um the there's a what are we talking about here ships there's ships yeah there's ships uh zwolzman is born as the third child of uh his dad is an employee of the Dutch shipbuilding company. Holy fucking shit. I don't know how to say that. Okay. Ship company. Holy fucking shit. Holy fucking shit would be a more reasonable ship company name than what they have here.

Nederlandschie Dock und Schiepsbomatschapnisch. Sounds like we just slowed your voice down. Yes, and I had a stroke right before that. Tried to say a word and then you slowed it down. I'm going to spell this out for everybody. You sound like the lady at the Oscars. Word one. Yeah. word one yeah uh niederlanden okay n-e-d-e-r-l-a-n-d-s-c-h-e yeah word one word two d-o-k word three e-n okay word four this is where it gets complicated uh s-c-h-e-e-p-S-B-O-U-W.

You can't put the B there. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know how that B goes there at all. Sheep spell? That's what I mean. That's how I said it. And then the last word, M-A-A-T-S-C-H-A-P-P-I-J. No.

What the? That sounds like you let your kid play with your keyboard. The cat walked across it. They're like, whoa, don't put two p's and a j that close together that's weird so very strange anyway that's who his father worked for and apparently did very well he was like an employee that was on that worked there for a long time so and this is a big like uh shipbuilding community so it's like a hot shit thing. He's born, like I said, in 1955. His father is a cousin of the project developer Reindeer Zwolzman. Yeah. That's his cousin, whose name is Reindeer.

Very festive. This guy worked all his life at the shipyard and uh so he got the father you know it's nepotism here i got the father a good job and he the family is very comfortable like long shoreman yeah yeah he's like uh he's up in the high up he's like the union rep here so he's taking a bribe or two so uh charles is there's four kids total. He's third. He's known as a very sensitive boy who's got frail health. It all says everywhere. He's known as a frail, sensitive boy. He's the sickly boy.

Yeah, he's the sickly. No, Charles can't come outside. He'll get hurt. You know that he can't play soccer with the other boys. Spring. No. Stay inside. He has allergies.

A lot of allergies. But yeah, he's that kid so tough going for him apparently it is a big thing when he's a kid that uh is a traumatic thing that everybody who he grew up with remembers apparently his pony died oh at one point and he was like out of his mind for months sad about it months yeah people lose children in art is upset for as long as this guy was devastated about a pony yeah not like just downtrodden and mad and angry and sad for months over a pony which i mean i get that you like your pony but jesus christ here um also in school he did didn't do very well no uh no he doesn't do very

well in school he doesn't like and socially he's not very good he's not very good in school um he instead the only thing he really likes doing is he's always out messing around building go-karts okay he likes to build go-karts all by himself solitary yeah you know thing yeah that is a one-man job he puts a go-karts together and then drives them all around okay on sidewalks and shit scares the shit out of people so yeah people are always knocking on his family's door saying your asshole son you know fucking made me jump into traffic because he's riding his go-kart around and on our narrow ass streets yeah so he's known as the town little asshole and at the same time he's like frail and not good socially

and so he doesn't have a lot of cries easy it's not good right now for this kid like you're looking at him you're going jesus he's gonna be a serial killer you know like this isn't good it doesn't work out that way he flips the script completely at one point here. I don't know how it ends up happening, but he does it. By the time he's 18, he's kind of got at least his social shit together. He's got a girlfriend. Okay. Anyway, he's got a 16 year old girlfriend.

Very cool. He's 18. They could be in the same grade. Sure. That's fine. She's from his neighborhood. They've known each other for years. Blah, blah, blah.

But problem is when he's 18, he knocks her up. That's fine. She's from his neighborhood. They've known each other for years. Blah, blah, blah. But problem is when he's 18, he knocks her up. That's the issue here. And by the way, there's two. I'm going to say that his date of birth is the latter. There's two different date of births floating around for him. There's 55 and there's 59. I'm going to say it's 59 because from the timeline of when his son is born and shit. So he marries this 16-year-old girl.

So now he's 18. The 16-year-old wife. 16-year-old wife. And a baby. Baby on the way. Oh, boy. This is, yikes. That's some tough going there.

That's a tough life. That's a tough life. That's a lot of stress for an 18-year-old. And a 16-year-old together. Mostly, yeah. That's some kind of couple they got there. That's a, wow. They an 18-year-old. And a 16-year-old together. Mostly, yeah. That's some kind of couple they got there. That's a, wow. They don't know how to do anything.

Mental stress is enough, but the body stress that she's dealing with is crazy. It's crazy. They don't know how to do anything either. They're 18 and 16. He knows how to build a go-kart, and that's about it. He's got no real skills, and she's 16. No 16-year-old has any fucking skills. None.

Not a lot of 18 year olds have any either that are marketable anyway to like support a baby that's the problem the skills they've got they've already used yeah they've used them that's what happened here look that's why she's seven months pregnant i used that skill i wasn't even that good at it being honest but i humped away on it i mean i did that certainly a skill certainly something so the family his family though uh because of this because he's getting married and everything it's funny if you're 18 and back in those days in the 70s or something if you knocked a girl up yep your parents would be super angry at you everybody's pissed off but then if you were going to marry her then it turns into a celebration now we're

happy yeah the next day you're like ask her to her to marry me. Oh, we're having a party. They're getting married. Oh, we're making antipas. Let's go. Oh, for Christ's sake, you should have told us earlier. You know, we could have had more time to prepare. We could have got more food.

I was so mad at you until you said that word. Ah, it's beautiful. Now they're going to have a beautiful family. He's an irresponsible scumbag. But now it's like an Olin Mills portrait.

It's beautiful. So much youth in this. Ah, the youth. They're going to be good young parents. They're going to relate to the kids. It's going to have a lot of energy. It's good for them. Get it all out of the way early.

Start early. Enjoy your 40s. Get six, seven of them out of here by your mid-20s, and then you can relax for a while. You know what I mean? Enjoy your 40s. Enjoy your 40s, you know. You're going to love retirement.

Let me tell you something. By the time you're like, because you'll have a couple of kids. You have six, seven of them. A couple of them will be fucked up, still stay behind. You're going to have to get one lawyer all the time. So you're not going to be able to retire. Once they get them out of the house by the time you're 55 or so, that last one's like 32 will finally leave.

It's all smiles. It's good after that. I'll tell you what. It's not bad. I mean, by then your health will start falling apart. We'll finally leave. It's all smiles. It's good after that. I'll tell you what. It's not bad. I mean, by then, your health will start falling apart, and you're not going to feel good, so you won't be able to do the things that you've been dying to do the whole time. But let's not worry about that. We'll cross that bridge when we come home.

So what I'm saying is you fucked your whole life. Basically, never mind. Your life's fucking destroyed. I'm sorry. 16's too young. It's all over. Get the fuck out of here. I don't know what to tell you.

It's over. It's over. It's all over. Get the fuck out of here. I don't know what to tell you. It's over. It's over. You messed it up. So the family, though, his family gets them a house. So they have a house now. They celebrate that. They give him a house. And even provides young Charles with his own flower stall, whereas he sells flowers.

Apparently, theutch are very much into flowers yeah like i was the 13th 14th century at some point uh 12th century at some point there in the middle uh the dutch economy was based on tulips the whole economy yeah they got real crazy for tulips for a while and the the tulip prices shot through the roof and uh which is weird like i get like gold or diamonds because you could go put that in a safe and it'll be the same in 20 years as it is today. With tulips, I can throw some seeds in the ground and fuck your whole economy. There's a shelf life, too. Those things fucking die.

That's a really precarious way to do business, I feel like. But if you're the only one in business for it and people start flooding the market with them all of a sudden you're stuck holding the shitloaded shelf life product yeah that's what it is i don't think it wasn't their economy based on it but they were extremely highly valued and they were people were you know yeah it was like having gold well perhaps exchange it for flowers from that region look better i don't know i don't know how it works but however it works they're really into them so flowers are a big deal up there. They know they have fields of shit up there. They're known for flowers there.

I don't know. Italian grapes make wine so much better. I would. Yeah, that's a good point. Italian wine is fucking rad. It's very good. Italian wine and Napa wine. The French seem to have some good grapes.

They seem to figure it out. Yeah, Northern California has good grapes. Fucking Oregon makes a Pinot Noir. That's a bastard. Really? Yeah. It's First Leaf. Try First Leaf. I'm into it. There you go. All right. I'll give thatot Noir. That's a bastard. Really? Yeah. It's First Leaf. Try First Leaf.

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It's streaming. You can say anything. Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. Anyway, within a few years, though, here, he starts to turn the flower stall into his own business, where he's exporting things and going to flower auctions and all sorts of shit. So before that, though, June 15th, 1979, he has a son.

A son is born, and it's Charles Jr. It's a junior boy. son yeah a son is born boy and it's charles jr it's a junior boy it's a very junior and uh charles wolfman is known as senior from now on because his son will race as well so they're junior and senior oh no yeah like the answers like iron hearts oh there's so many that is wild i don't think i ever put that together there is is a- A lot. An overabundance in racing. Yeah. It is crazy. Because the hardest thing about racing is getting a car and getting a race.

If your dad already has that, it kind of helps. You know what I mean? And if you own a car, you're pretty proud of yourself. The fuck do you start otherwise? You know? That's easier. That's a lot. You don't need your dad doing anything to be able to play basketball.

There's hoops everywhere. Go play. There are so many juniors. I think Mario Andretti has a junior, too. Oh, yeah. There's hoops everywhere. Go play. There are so many juniors. I think Mario Andretti has a junior, too. Oh, yeah, yeah. There's a junior there. There's a ton of juniors. Shit.

Like I said, who else can fucking race? Yeah. It's an expensive... It's certainly in the bloodline, too. How do you even realize you're good at that? Yeah. You'd have to have some... Yeah.

You know... You know what? Credit to Richard Petty for not naming Kyle Richard. Good for you, sir. His name is probably Richard Kyle. It's probably Kyle Richard. Good for you, sir. His name is probably Richard Kyle. It's probably Kyle Richard. He just goes by Kyle for branding purposes or some shit. But still, that's pretty great to not name him Junior.

Yeah, everybody else Juniors up hard on that shit. Sports people like to Junior up, as we found out. Yeah, they do. It's everybody. He is the king. that's what they call him the king of racing i feel like race car drivers have some of the bigger egos in sports because what they're doing is death defying which is a different thing than you know hitting a baseball or something i mean yes three people have died in the history of baseball while playing and this you

know i'm sure a guy hit his head and died on a basketball court people have died on the history of baseball while playing and I'm sure a guy hit his head and died on a basketball court. People have died on the football field, but not all the time. It doesn't commonly happen. You can't start naming people off that have literally died in the middle of a game in these sports. Boxing, everyone. Think about how little. They're punching each other right

in the face. Honest to Christ, some of those shots, you're like, how did he survive that? That's what I mean. Whereas is you could there's no other sport where you could explode in the middle of it that's never happened in a ball of flame no i've never ever seen no matter how hard jj watt ever hit somebody there was never a ball of flames that happened afterwards and they just dusted the cinder off the field when he was done with the quarterback. That's never happened. And then play some memorial for him next week. Yeah. So the ego that I feel like they have is almost like a doctor's ego.

Probably. Like, I control life and death. Yeah. I'm a god. I fly through the air and not die. Why don't I die? Because I'm special. Because I'm amazing.

That's why. I'm special. I think they have the same uh mentality as fighter pilots probably we've mentioned this before but when they look for fighter pilots they literally look for people with ice cold extreme narcissism ice cold veins and just love themselves they're looking for people that in in anything normal you wouldn't want that person around you like to hire not that fighter pilots are bad people or whatever but they look for like someone who's like oh yeah i'm i can defy god yeah i can defy death and physics in the universe yeah of course why because i'm me obviously yeah if i fly

other people are gonna get shot down yeah but if i fly through there they're not gonna get me i'll dodge the bullets i know i won't be the one that's the guy they're looking for they're not looking for you know mr careful it was like you know and then that guy retires and flies your southwest flight that's right and he's just dying to do a barrel roll on the way from houston to salt lake city he just can't wait and he's like these people would shit their fucking pants if i popped a barrel roll off right thank god this plane's from 1983 and hasn't been updated since and they just welded the cigarette fucking ashtrays closed instead put it out there otherwise i'd roll it i swear to god damn god incapable of my flying maneuvers and techniques i'd certainly do it if you tried to roll a

southwest flight the wings would fall off and you'd fly to the earth in three seconds from 30,000 feet. Like a big purple dildo just straight into the ground. Hard on the back. It would not last. That's why those pilots, when you take a flight and you're terrified sitting in whatever row and window seat you're in

staring out the window because you're gripping the armrest and then he comes on the air and says, flight attendants, thatlers he votes yeah you know why is he so that's why because this isn't anything he's hoping something happens yeah and he gets to show his moves off ask sully sullivan if that wasn't the best flight he ever had i want to show your moves off i've been safe all this time now let me show you how i can throw down when shit goes wrong the easiest flight sully ever flew was the one he landed in the hudson yeah they they remember quarterbacks who come from behind yeah in two minutes as if you're up 35 nothing every game no one cares but if you have all these

comebacks i mean good god that's something special sully put those planes on runways all over the place yeah that's the one in the river was great. That's his two-minute drill. That's his John Elway marching down on the grounds, you know what I mean? That's the John Rogers Hail Mary. That's the one right there. And he did it. That's all of it. If he could have, he'd have ran out that wing with his arms in the air.

Yeah! It's Montana to Clark, man. It's fucking... It's all these things, babe. If he could have, been what a dove head first in that river as a celebration as his lambo leap as norwood's kick sails wide right it's you know he's hot stepping off the side of that wing right into the river that's how it works man it's hudson heave it's hot the hudson he. That's what they call it. That was the name of it.

It's the Music City Miracle. We got the Hudson Heave. There's a lot of different things that go on. But that's what you got to show off your skills. That's how it works. So anyway, he has Charles Jr. He's selling flowers. Within a few years, he has his own wholesaler at the Al'smere flower auction.

And he's going to be involved in the exporting to Germany from these flowers. So now he's exporting flowers. He's got a whole thing going on. And with the money he earns from this, he starts or continues to put a little money into cars here and there because since the mid 70s since he was a kid and he was putting carts together he has and in the late 70s when he was you know had his business and everything he's been interested in racing and he wants to race himself like he wants to build a car so a lot of these guys start us with like little cars like yeah little circuits and you build your way up and so he puts a little money in and does his first couple races on the jesus zandvoort circuit

okay uh here and he's they said they considered him to be kind of just a middle of the road guy's car wasn't the greatest but you know he wasn't like oh look nobody was laughing at him yeah so he was doing fine and uh i think racing is probably like a lot of sports where if you're not really good at it and you go with a bunch of people who are, it'll show. It certainly reflects. It's going to show. It's like pros versus Joes, that old show. You go, wow. Guys started to run against cornerbacks and shit.

There's a real difference between Dennis Rodman and some guy who works at UPS when it comes to the boards. You know what I mean? Like he doesn't. He has no chance. Dennis isn't even trying. He's texting someone, rebounding with one hand as you're sweating and blowing your Achilles out, trying to fucking dive for the ball. I don't understand. I moved refrigerators with my hip.

I'm trying so hard. He's just like, what's happening now? Hold on, wait. I got to text back Carmen Electra. Hold on, man. Let me grab this board Carmen Electra. I got to hold on. Hold on, man. Let me grab this board quick first. Then I'm going to text her.

Hey. I'm trying to apologize to Carmen for those three women in the bed last morning. Yeah, you know. Excuse me, man. I tripped over this guy. I'm sorry, man. He's just. That's what. Yeah.

It's ridiculous. So anyway, he's racing and the racing um is taking up more and more money yeah so rather than reinvesting in his flower business as he was earlier he's actually spending money that he should be investing in his business and that he should be spending on his home life sure into racing wow so i mean to try to finance your own race team based on you working nine to five and putting together a flower wholesaler, that's a big ask. That's a lot of money. That money doesn't stretch with cars either.

No. That goes fast. Racing is like stock market people and drug dealers and things of people who have ridiculous money that no one has time to earn. It has to be money that's well above what you deserve because it's so silly that you don't have time to earn it. It has to be a corporation like fucking GoDaddy or Castrol or some shit like that. You have to be making other people's money with them giving it to you for some reason

for you to afford that sort of shit. You need a car sponsored by McDonald's. Yeah, yeah yeah exactly so so this happened so much that in 1985 his company was bankrupted i'm sure so he bankrupted his flower wholesaler trying to invest in race cars which jesus christ that's kind of that's kind of shitty yeah and uh it's this year that he goes bankrupt. And so the business is fucked. He has no money now. He can't race at all.

And then his dad dies as well that year. So that's going bad. If that's not a bad enough year, bankrupt business, no racing, dad died. Then he breaks up with his wife later that year as well. So 85, a bad year for Chuck E.Z. here. Not doing well. Dad stuff. So he ends up, he's still hanging around racetracks, though, and, you know, just hanging around.

All the people know him. I don't know if he's helping. I don't know if he's in somebody's pit or what the fuck he's doing. But he is asked by somebody at Zandvoort. I guess it's a race circuit there. Racetrack, if he wants to take care of something and earn a little extra money, which sounds like a good idea. Sure would love money. Yeah, I'd love money.

And this is cool. I'm at the racetrack. This is where I want to earn my money. They said nothing to do with cars, though. What it does have to do with is a shitload of hash. So we're going to be smuggling that. Oh. If that. Oh. If that's possible.

If you can help me out with that. Moving hash. That would be great. So he says, sure. And within, he doesn't really get to do it very much. But within about a year of this, he is arrested on his way to Englandland with jesus christ 2 000 kilos of hash that's a lot of that's a shitload that's not like in your asshole no no that's not in a semi truck yeah that's a lot that's a that's a truck full fuck the 2 000 a kilo is 2.2 pounds that's so much

that's a shitload that's two cars yeah that's lot. So that's a semi truck full of hash, basically. So I don't know if that's like that sounds like a narcos when Pablo Escobar is running shit and he just starts threatening the military guys saying the names of their family and shit. Like, I don't know if he had that arrangement or thought he had that arrangement going or what. But that's so much hash. I mean, I don't care how well that's wrapped. Yeah, that's you can't have mean i don't care how well that's wrapped yeah that's you can't have tons of hash and not smell it a it smells b you have to compress that down it's very it's got about a concentrate well hash is very concentrated yeah but you gotta

it's got to be a dense brick to be able to to put that many in a in a marketing and packaging it's going to be bricked anyway they're going going to brick it. And how big is that still? A kilo of that. It depends on what kind of hash. That's bigger than a building brick. Well, because you have hash that's more of a gummy substance. You have hash that's more of an oily kind of... Flaky thing.

Almost like kind of how opium is. And then you have hash that is more... You can have hash that's like bubble hash now. That's like... Crumble. Granulated. Yeah. It's like bubble hash now that's like, you know, like Crumble. Granulated. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like sugar almost. Finer than that even. Sure. Like flour. So either way, that's way too much to eat in a hash. There's a lot of different ways to do hash. And back then there probably wasn't all those.

Probably not so many options. I think it's compacted bricks of the, I assume like the, you know, kind of the tarry shit basically. So this isn't great for him. Not a good look. You know, he's trying to have a career and a reasonable, respectable business and be a race car driver. Legitimately. So I don't fault the guy.

No. But you got to know you can't smuggle things in other countries. He knew the danger. That's where. Yeah, that's from like like anybody that gets caught on our show that has like weed and they have it like in at their house or they're driving somewhere and they have whatever i'm like i don't fucking care about that but i know i'm not taking tons of hash across a border no i know better than that you know i know better and

smuggling inner inner inner what is that Intercontinental? I don't know. International. Yeah, international smuggling. International smuggling like that. There's a difference between taking fuck books... It's kind of a punchline. Yeah, taking fuck books into South Korea because they're not allowed to have them. You know what I mean? Or North. Is it North?

It's North. I think you can whack it at will in South Korea. They make a lot of Samsung shit there. Whack it at will. They probably want everybody to be whacking it. They'll sell more electronic products. But smuggling a fuck book into North Korea is one thing, but smuggling drugs anywhere is crazy. Yeah.

Masturbation is great for the electronics market, but this isn't going to help anybody. No, I get what you're saying. Totally. You're right. In some repressed country. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Some repressed ass country.

So this is crazy so he's got no more flower business at this point he was smuggling hash and refrigerated trucks first of all wow from morocco to the netherlands okay so he was having them because you can kind of drive that so he's having them come in from all the way from morocco north africa all the way up to the netherlands and then he was you know working it all out there and getting it and packaging it up and then sending it to England where it'll sell for a lot more. Fascinating. Yeah, it's a decent. So many countries involved.

It's very risky. It seems like you're smuggling it like 20 times by the time you get up to you're going through so many countries. Smuggling it like 20 times by the time you get up to, you're going through so many countries. And starting in a country that's already got smuggling issues and they're very well known. Oh, yeah, yeah. Going through a country that loves drugs. And then anything coming out of Holland is extra looked at. Extra checked, yeah. Because that's the country where drugs are legal.

They know. Yeah, they know. They know what's up. So he would smuggle it there. This grew rapidly. That's how this whole thing happened. The thing blew up under him. I'm sure. Because it's weird. People like rapidly. That's how this whole thing happened. The thing blew up under him. It's weird.

People like drugs. It's very strange that people seem to enjoy hash weed products. It got bigger than he thought it was going to get. People like being fucked up crazy. Weird, right? Strange. And it kind of makes sense, too, because what was he doing before? Yeah, bankrupt.

No, wholesaling flour. What's weed? It's flowers. It's the same thing Wholesaling. Oh, yeah. Flower. It's weed. It's flowers. The same thing. He was he was buying plants, selling them, exporting them to other countries. It's the exact same business on a spreadsheet. It's the exact same business. Exactly.

You're looking at it the same way. Exactly the same way. It's just not legal. But if you replace tulips for fucking purple haze or whatever the fuck your distributors just tell me dangerous nicknames yeah yeah it's all the same shit it's all oh it's not some lady named mary it's it's a guy named uh mary jane mary jane so there he goes though but it makes sense though he did what he knew yeah so uh with refrigerated trucks too that's clever that was clever well yeah i keep

it yeah i probably got those for the flowers yeah it's probably there you go so at the height of the whole thing during this he had about 60 employees doing all this shit so i mean he has multiple countries he's got a big network at that that's a lot yeah that's big man i mean fuck yeah mob crews don't have 60 a whole family might have 60 people but not a you You know, it's a lot. So he denies to the court. He goes to the court, to the Alkmar court. Two A's, of course. Alkmar. He denies to the court that he is a professional drug dealer. He said, this isn't my business.

I'm not a drug dealer. You know, I don't have, he had a lot of money. So they said, okay, well then how did you get all this money that you have? And he had no, no, no explanation for that. He did have an expensive car, like a car phone. This is in the 80s. So that's expensive. He had like the best criminal lawyer in town who's very pricey.

And the judge was like, you know what? I think you're a fucking liar. And I think this is your business because you have a shitload of money and you can't tell me how you got it so this isn't your first time he tried to say like i never did it before and i just i was just a innocent person that's you know and talk me into it gave it a shot judge uh the judge says tell you what chief uh you sir may fuck off two years in prison oh my so yeah that's uh took it serious right away though um but a part of this is he ends up getting some of it suspended and turned

into probation and then during the appeals process he's allowed to be out so he's not in jail yet okay doesn't actually serve time for this none of these two years not not for a while anyway so instead what he does do though is develop a race team yeah um so wonder how he did that he's got fucking ferraris he's got all this shit he's the guy he's the head of the race team he he completely funds this entire race team he races a lot of the times under an alias charles houseman hilarious two ends so he's not he doesn't want to say who he is because everyone will connect it to drug dealing so he just pretends he's somebody else and funds this race team yeah in 89 he ran a couple of races in 87 86 he had a couple also but then he got busted 88 there's no races and then 89 he's

back racing again fascinating it's fucking wild he has like one career win that i could find anyway but i mean he's in the races he's doing like uh one here what the hell is this um i don't even know where the fuck this is he's oh shit i don't know what it is at all either way he uh doesn't finish he comes in uh but he comes in sixth even though he didn't finish and uh he completed he competed in the world sports car championship in 1991 finishing sixth overall in the driver standings and running his own team uh with a chassis his teams had spice engineering chassis that's some company that made the chassis that the car snapped onto i don't know if that's good or bad i'm just saying spice i don't know spice he was running that's another word for for i mean

synthetic weed but yeah yeah it's a thing that goes along with weed it's all weed for this guy, I'm telling you. So he runs that car in 91 again. And then in 92, he picks up this Lola T92. You know the Lolas, what they look like? Sure, like the supercars. Like a little Indy car looking thing. So he picks up one of those. And it doesn't do very well in a race with that. I think something happened to it or some shit.

Doesn't do very well in a race with that. I think something happened to it or some shit. But his Euro racing team finished fifth in the whole season, apparently, in the championship. And then the series folded the next year. So he couldn't get any traction on that. I don't know how many teams there were in that. It also might have been six. I'm not sure. From 1991-92, he competed in the 24 Hours of Le Mans, which is, we've talked about that before.

Several of our racers have been involved in those. Those are sick cars. They're crazy, and they just run for a whole day. It's multiple drivers. It's not the same guy for 24 hours. They'd have blood clots. Yeah. And if you didn't get blood clots, you'd have driver fatigue and likely crash.

Oh, you'd crash and kill yourself. Absolutely. Everybody would be going like 48 miles an hour by the end of it or else they'd be crash. Oh, gee. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. Oh, boy. Man, I can't keep my eyes off.

Kick that Tesla autopilot on. Yeah, there you go. Let me kick back for a minute. Is there a cruise on this thing? My leg is sore from this gas pedal. I got a snooze. So he enters that. In 92, he has the best result there.

He also competed in Inter-Serie, winning one race. That's where he won a race, and he finished 10th in the driver standings. The 24 Hours of Le Mans that I found here, there's usually some years there's 50 cars. It goes down every year. In 90, there's 50 cars 91 there's 38 92 there's 30 really so yeah they finished 45th or 31st in 90 finished 31st in 2000 or 91 as well two years in a row they finished 31st less cars same place same place and then the uh next year 92 they finished 13th oh so look at that that's what the lola car

the other one was with the spice there uh they finished 270 of 352 laps okay the other years they finished 255 the first year only 72 the year before oh it blew up early of 363 yeah they had engine problems so that's what happened there so he's a respectable racer yeah that's you know not looked at as a joke not looked at as just some because there's some of these guys that just don't know what they're doing they just buy their way into things and they're kind of a joke and he's not considered that he's considered a legit guy he's this is kind of what he wanted to do with his life other than getting arrested and shit like that and uh you know what grace there it is this is grace Grace. Post an arrest.

This is Grace. It's doing well. Yeah. He's doing really well. Well, post an arrest. But I mean, that was a bump in the road. He had some hash. Yeah.

He could claim it was he was naive. It's my first time doing what I got to do to survive. I mean, I'm 30 something years old and this is my first time getting arrested for anything. So, I mean, come on. I'm innocent here. You know, you can get away with that bullshit the one time. Problem is, while he's racing and going to different countries and doing all of his thing, in 91, about May 1991, the police started collecting info on him and his organization.

And they even set up a multidisciplinary investigation team. So, multiple districts, multiple different forces, multiple countries even, started having a team to all team up and see what this asshole's doing. See how many times his passports run through their system. This is not good for a person. You don't want this happening to you.

This is bad. I'm not on the radar of several different countries. I'm not even on the radar of the country I live in. Yeah. That's how not busy I am. I don't have a bunch of police forces looking to arrest me, possibly. So that's helpful. At the beginning of 1992, the investigation team is actually expanded because they were finding things with members of the customs joining all the customs agencies joining the investigation as well.

And the team later turns out to have used a bunch of the problem is during all of this. They're using some investigative methods that are a little bit beyond the pale. Unorthodox. Well, if you call illegal unorthodox. Remember in Canada, we talked about a few Canadian stories where they had the Mr. Big Shit, and they would spend all this money to lure these low-level people into ruses and shit. It's kind of like that.

They did some things here. All the details escape me, because that would have been a whole other show. There's a few other guys that got busted all around that were like, they had these still frames from them in hotel rooms. But basically, it was what we would consider entrapment, the whole setups were. So I don't know if they have that in Holland. It seems like that should be a law that's enforced everywhere. Yeah, I feel like Dutch entrapment has something to do with prostitutes and not anything else.

I don't know what it is. I'm not sure. I touched your dick. That is $20. Hey, that's entrapment. No, I didn't tell you to touch my dick. I didn't agree to this. Yeah, that's entrapment.

A prostitute running down the street dick tapping. I think we just worked it out right there. $20. $20. $20. Taking a small claim. Hey, I didn't even get to, I didn't, nothing happened. That should certainly be a rule.

Not even hard. Anymore. You tapped my limp dick. Don't do that. That's not fair. It's assault, ma'am. Nope, nope. That's your stealing of goods and services right there.

So, damn it, ma'am. So, you guys have to wear cups when they walk around oh gotcha she's like damn it don't steal goods and services yeah that's funny so no that's that's not what's going on here obviously i don't think that's ever happened in the history of the world probably not so never ever so uh they turn out here the uh they're doing all this weird shit they're discussed they there's a whole committee later on that you know investigates the methods used by dutch police to bust drug dealers and all this shit uh but he's still driving he's doing his thing i found a race here in 91 october 13th 1991 where it's, where it's in Del Mar, California.

And he's in it because he comes over, too. He sets up a deal in California where he brings cars over here. He does races over here. He's got a race team. It's an international race team. It's pretty wild. So in this race, he comes in ninth that I find here. He comes in three spots behind john paul jr what who you know if it's a

blast from the past for our longtime listeners but i want to say around episode 30 we did an episode on his father yeah who is still on the lam and there's still multiple women missing as well uh in his wake which he's on a boat so that kind of makes sense it makes sense and that's a very interesting story, and you'll hear a lot about John Paul Jr. as well. One of those victims, or not victims, a family is still looking and actively upset still. Yeah, they've asked us for help multiple times,

and unfortunately, this is another quick sidetrack, but we've gotten asked, we appreciate the hell out of it that you guys would trust us with, A, the thing that hurts you guys would trust us with a year with the thing that hurts you and trust us with anything. But we can't find anybody like we have no we have no skills in that business. And we're not saying that to like, don't bother us. We're saying that to, you know, give you someone else.

Well, don't waste your time, because we if we could, we would. If we had any connection to it, we would do it in a heartbeat. But we just have no we don't have like any kind of connections we're not investigative journalists we're not gonna in a moment where time is scarce don't don't waste it on us that's all we're saying because we've had people listen my sister's been missing do you think you guys could like i can't find my own kids yeah they're missing like my sister's missing for eight years can you help me and i'm like i mean i can tweet some i can tweet out your thing to look for but i can't there's nothing no i would not know anywhere to start to find your sister like she's not love to i don't have her i

don't see her yeah i never i haven't seen her i can tell you whether i've seen her yeah other than that i'm not sure my daughter walks out of the room and I almost want to put out an APB. I haven't seen her. Where is she at? I lost her. I'm not positive where she went. So anybody know? So he attempted again. He does all this shit, does the 24 Hours of Le Mans.

He does it multiple times, as we said, three times here. He also hired a bunch of good people. He hired a guy named Stefanfan johansson yeah tim harvey it doesn't seem like he's dutch it's a very normal sounds like one of the blue collar guys yeah no double any letters or anything like that yeah tim tonight jeff foxworthy we got bill angvall and also making his first appearance on the tour tim harvey everybody give it up for tim harvey how y'all doing in that don't worry he's got a dumb saying too how y'all doing in that well polish my moonshine jar you got some shit going on there

yo he's using fucking old old man jokes what the hell is the one i just i told you about that i heard that was the worst old man she's so ugly he stuck her out in the field the crows be bringing back corn they stole two years ago let me tell you what buddy polish my moonshine jar buddy tim harvey's here i'm tim harvey boy that jeff foxworth is gonna be great later on tim harvey opening the show opening up the show strong doing 20 strong minutes oh this is my moonshine there's your sign you know you're a redneck win that's right everybody buy the poster we got posters out there That's right, everybody.

Buy the poster. We got posters out there. Oh, Jesus Christ. Extra $20, Foxworthy will sign it. Fuck. And as embarrassing as that is, I guarantee they don't care. They are so happy. Fuck, those guys have so much money. So thrilled they came up with that stupidity.

They got TV shows, James. If you told me I could trade bank accounts with Jeff Foxworthy right now, do you know how many shows that guy was on? I know. Think about it. He had that show with a kid on. You know how much money you get paid for crap like that? Ridiculous.

I would put on a fucking flannel shirt or whatever the fuck he's wearing nowadays. It's a flannel shirt. I would go out there. I'd cut my hair into a ginger mullet, and I would go out there and I'd say anything if we could switch bank accounts. Yes. You know a guy that toured with Bill Ingvall for two years before he was Bill Ingvall, before he was who he is today? Yeah.

He has a cabin in the White Mountains in Arizona with acreage paid off. His opener, James. It's not even Bill Ingvall. That's what I'm saying. That's what we're talking yeah it's not even filling that's that's what i'm saying that's that's what we're talking about these guys make crazy insane amounts of money so i would absolutely uh much respect for their hustle i just can't watch their comedy sucks yeah can't do it so he also revitalized the career of and i've been waiting i was waiting i know this guy was lying he's been in the weeds.

And you're like, where is he? Is he going to come back? Is he going to? And he finally came back. Heinz Harald Frentzen. That was time. I mean, right? When you were a kid, you're like, man, he was my hero.

And he just, like, disappeared. Oh, Heinz. Bring back Heinz Harald. He was an unemployed German driver who was on the verge of retiring. He was an unemployed German driver who was on the verge of retiring. And then he made him one of his drivers at the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 92. And his performances led directly to him doing other shit and actually making a big comeback in his career, apparently. I've never fucking heard of the guy.

Never. I'm not a Dutch racing fan. But he's great now. He's amazing. So he also completed in the interstate. I don't know what the hell any of this shit is. Did some races. He won the 1992 Inter-Serie Division 1. Inter-Serie. Yeah.

It's series without the S. There's only one, that's why. It's one. It's not plural. He started in 10th and he won the race. Great. So there he goes. Looking good for you. Did a great qualifier, though, obviously. He did start in 10th, unless won the race. So there he goes. Looking good for you. Did a great qualifier

though, obviously. He would start in 10th unless that's last place. I don't know how many cars there are. Problem is while this is all going on, he is still importing massive amounts of importing. It would be considered smuggling. It would be importing if it was lamps. Smuggling

a shitload of hash from Morocco and distributing it all throughout europe all over just all over holland england france wherever he can wow he's got a whole system going on here uh in the meantime he's earning all this fucking money too there's so much money in this uh in the basement of his house at this point, he had three counting machines, like giant bank money counting machines, to be able to process all the money that was coming in to him from the drug trade. Imagine that. How many counting machines have you ever owned in your fucking life? It's like a grocery store, though.

You've got to open up another lane to make more money. That's what he's doing. He got three of them. You've got to hire three people to count. How quickly would your money in your pocket? Okay, more money that's what he's doing you got three of them dude you gotta hire three people to count how quickly would your money in your pocket okay well that's that that's what i thought i had yep still 18 dollars like still the same amount whereas like imagine you need three it's we're overloading the machines we need more that's amazing three like a fucking bank so uh he did all of this shit he's got that's how much cash he's got coming in so when you have that much cash coming in you need

to find a place to get rid of it sure it's it's laundering it that's what you do so what he starts doing is buying tons of cars during this time smart shipping them to america shipping them all over and now instead of having dirty drug money you have this beautiful legal car and it's sitting in san diego right instead so sounds like a great plan like you know so he's doing all that he's putting all the money into his race team into his car thing everything uh his company invests in cars and he branches that out as well like we said he goes to denmark he goes to america uh he does everything One of his friends, he has a bunch of his associates, his drug people, start getting cars from him. Sure.

So if he gets a good deal, he'll give it as a present to one of his associates. Pay it forward. One got a Lamborghini Countach. Oh, yeah. Which is the 80s poster Lamborghini. Everybody had it. That boxy-looking space car. They had that. And then also one he gave a really hot shit Porsche to as well for their ongoing services.

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Amazon Music or Wondery app. In 1989, he has a new girlfriend named Sylvia. Now he's doing much better than he was four years ago, I would say. And they move to what's described as a spacious villa. Okay. Which is awesome. It's called a giant apartment. That sounds good. A spacious villa.

With a good view, though, I feel like. That's a villa. This is in Blarsium? Blaricum? Gross. It's got the word cum in there. Blaricum. Bl? Yeah. Blaricum? Gross. It's got the word cum in there. Blaricum. Blaring cum. Right next-

That's what you do in a spacious villa. Blaring it. Just blaring cum in there. Blaring it all over the place. There's lots of tile. Don't worry. So, easy cleanup. Nothing the mop can't cure.

Nope. There you go. A little squeegee action. We're good. We'll get a slipper in here. It's right next door to the mayor. Oh, really? He's living large, man.

Wow. Living large. In San Tropez, he had a big-ass boat docked there, all fucking like a giant, beautiful boat. It was a 45-meter-long yacht. That is 120 feet. That's a huge boat. That's a big fucking boat, like 140 feet.

150 almost. That's a big fucking boat. Like 140 feet. 150 almost. That's a big goddamn boat. Holy shit. It was worth, at the time, worth almost three million guilders, Jimmy. What is that in American dollars? I mean, if it's worth that many guilders, fuck, I don't even know what to say about it. What's a guilder? Just retire, man.

You got that many guilders? Three million guilders. it's like 12 bucks i think it could be like 12 million bucks it could be yeah it's a great point or it could be like eight dollars you could have like it's a taxi ride you get a cab ride over there and it's cost three million gilders please are gilders like like people uh you know i mean because there's a guild things there's a gift three million people is like $70 trillion. That's a lot of people. The coins are gilded?

I don't know what's going on. Guilders. Wow. So they have that. They named it after their daughter who was born around that time. Uh-oh, that's a phone. So they have that. That's all right.

Who cares? They named the boat after their daughter. So he has a daughter around that time. Don't know her name, but they. But we know that it's a. Yeah. There you go. So at the beginning of 91, that's when they start investigating him.

And a special team is placed in and everything like that. They christened the name of the team was Formula for some because of the racing. So that was their name of their team. Oh, boy. Yeah. Apparently, there was a murder in June of 1991 involved in this whole drug trafficking. Okay. So someone got killed, and that really cranked the prosecutor's office into action to investigate shit.

It's always violence. Murder brings heat that's what yeah watch the wire it's you know bodies bring heat that's all there is that's why they were putting them inside the vacants because bodies bring fucking heat you don't want that shit if everybody as long as everybody chills out right nobody fucking cares cops seem to want to know uh what happened to this person yeah it's a thing it's uh people get angry at that when they walk their their kids go go to school and there's a dead guy there it was a thing it's uh people get angry at that when they walk their kids go go to school and there's a dead guy there it was a gunshot wound in the head people get angry right so

that's what happened here they're all over zwalsman and his whole outfit here i'm gonna call it an outfit like it's an old-timey gangster fucking conglomerate it's believed that he's responsible for well they clocked him doing doing nine different shipments of about 4,000 kilos of hash each coming in. At specific times, not one. Not one. Those were different shipments. And eight different shipments of 1,000 kilos apiece from Spain as well. And.

And, yeah. That's a lot. thousand kilos a piece from spain as well and and and yeah this took place between uh these are the ones they got them on from march 89 to december 93 okay so that's how long they're going into it one of these guys is a guy named paul coning and he wrote a book we'll give you that i'll give you the info on the book at the end but it's like a book about smuggling he was a smuggler he was one of the guys who worked for Swalsman, just one of your cog-in-the-machine guys. He had a successful transport company that went bankrupt,

and he basically needed the money. His mortgage was coming due. He was a guy with a family and shit like that. He had creditors coming after him. So he knew a guy that knew a guy and decided to transport some hash so he could make some quick money. So he ends up working for Charles Wolsman. And the first shipments they go,

he goes all the way from North Africa, from fucking Morocco, brings it all the way in. And everything seems to be working out. But then he starts not liking some shit that's going on with him, the way they're treating him or something. So he says he's going to quit. And apparently there's some threats against his family and shit like that. He was beaten severely several times, he said, also by the organization.

I mean, it is a drug organization. We make it sound like it's like all because it's illegal. This is what you get. You know what I mean, it is a drug organ. Yeah. We make it sound like it's like all, because it's illegal, this is what you get. Right. You know what I mean? There's no HR department or a supervisor to go talk to. No. We deal with this in-house. This isn't on the up and up.

Right. Yeah. There's very few beatings in most industries. There's very few beatings and family threats. Right. Yeah. If you don't do your job well, they don't call your wife and tell her they're going to come over and beat the kids and smack her over the head right the line cook you you you overcook

a steak we don't break your kids knees no we don't do that so um yeah they end he ends up getting beaten and all this shit and uh anyway there ends up being a tip off to and he ends up getting arrested this con Conan guy. So he doesn't flip at first, but then they keep threatening. They're threatening him. The drug dealers are threatening him. This Wolsman organization. So finally, he ends up flipping on him and giving a shitload of information and goes into like the witness protection program or whatever the Dutch equivalent to that is and all of that shit.

So it's it's pretty interesting here eventually they end up shit canning him off of that and he ended up uh being kind of floating around with no protection and scared of everybody yikes so in 1992 now they're investigating zwolzman for all these drugs but they don't have any charges like i said they investigate him investigate him through December of 93. He's doing a great job. So, yeah, he's doing all this shit, but he still has that sentencing hanging over his head from before.

Yeah. So basically, he's got probation and any violation of this probation, and it's very ticky tack. Sure. He goes to prison period so in 1992 june 29th 92 he's arrested for speeding what and taken to prison wow i mean violation probation violated here they don't do that like a traffic violation unless it's reckless driving and you've like killed somebody but unless it's criminal but that's absolutely endangering people yeah criminal and traffic are two different courts like so but here they're together they're melded and uh so he ends up going to jail there and they

they put him in jail now while he's in jail he's in jail but he still has to run a drug empire i mean gee what is he going to sit around and go on vacation there's customers to supply what are we doing so he continues to lead the organization from prison he's said to have made this is in a god i think less than a year period i mean i think he's in there like six months said to have made 14 300 phone calls oh jesus that is so all of which are wiretap by the way right so what is he in this is he at the switchboard all day he doesn't keep him in a cell thousand three hundred phone calls that's a lot that's called you get that thing yeah okay hey what about you in spain okay good okay did you talk to bobby's okay i mean literally you're running constantly all day that's fucking crazy how do you not just see the guy running a drug

empire while he's doing that right fourteen thousand a guy that's got that much phone calls to make is he's busy with something that's illegal. And they're all wiretapped for fuck's sake. So he also gives assignments on paper that end up incriminating him. That would to smuggle his girlfriend out of prison. So his girlfriend. So, yeah, he has plans that he gave to other people to what to do to break his girlfriend out of prison because i guess that's an option yeah you know that's crazy if you and your girlfriend got arrested would breaking her out of prison even come up no no because who the fuck does that that's crazy get her a lawyer yes not you know help whatever the fuck you can help with but not okay and depending on the severity of the crime we are not together anymore

you know what i mean well i meant you got arrested together for some shit you were doing together not you caught her with you know like fucking diddling an eight-year-old and if we did some shit together that's probably my fault it's probably your fault but you still couldn't break her out of jail that would be tough so uh he ends up like we said he's caught uh they sent him for a year uh on the speeding and he ends up doing a little bit less than that and um he ends up uh later on being charged with uh importation all those different uh those different importing things they end up rounding it off to about 15 000 kilos of hash they're charging him with so september of 93 he's arrested again and uh this time they raid his house yeah and like one of those six in the morning jobs that they do over

here break his doors in and all that wakey wakey yeah wakey wakey uh he's in bed and when they break in this time he pulls out a gun oh he pulls out a revolver and uh this is from the police report i'll give you the description of what happens now quote just before the suspect aims wolsman the suspect that aims wolsman with the firearm we basically he pulls the gun out and points it at the cops yeah just before they open fire on him they shout police and at that point he dropped the gun and uh he didn't realize they were cops. Oh, he thought people were just breaking in? Yeah, he's a drug dealer. When you bust

into a drug dealer's house, they tend to think that you're robbing them. Right. Unless you're really obviously police and what a lot of people do when they rob drug dealers is they yell police, police to get you to put your gun down for a second so then they have the upper hand on you. So it's a really dangerous game raiding drug dealers places and kind of not worth it either

because it's they're waiting for someone to bust in with guns and try to kill them right or you know tie them up and take all their shit so uh the cop then said quote we saw that zwolzman dropped the firearm after that now charles himself chucky z said quote i was thinking it was an attack or a kidnapping i did hear the police yelling but anyone can yell that yeah and until he saw police you can tell the gate of them yeah and everything like you know guys who are robbing you and who are fucking cops it's like the uh i remember good fellas henry hill's pulling out of the driveway he said i thought i was dead but then i realized you know i'd be dead if these were fucking mafia guys these guys only cops yell and scream and do shit like that behavior that police exhibit yeah bad guys don't exactly they would have just went

in and said shut the fuck up where's the shit there wouldn't have been police police and certain loudness so anyway the charges uh consist of leading a criminal organization that smuggles thousands of kilos of hashish from Morocco to the Netherlands. Also a charge of laundering drug money through its car dealer investment at Cars BV. This has offices in the Netherlands, Denmark and the United States. In addition, luxury cars were brought to the U.S., including Ferraris, Maseratis, Porsches, and Rolls Royce, which would have been paid for in cash. In the Netherlands, they may or may not have been sold at a loss later on. This is all part of the thing here. He ends up, he'll be convicted later on of violating the Dutch Opium Act by serving as the head of an organization involved in the importation and trafficking of anything illegal drug-wise.

They said the group consisted of 60 people there. Wow, the Pacini brothers, Pacini or Pacini, P-I-C-E-N-I. So they had to get a couple Italians in there. Hey, the Pacini brothers, get the Pacinis in here. We don't know what we're doing. We need the Pacinis. Jesus, we're Dutch. We're not good at this.

You know what I mean? Or they're just English guys pretending to be. Hey. Puccini's. He's like, I'm Al Puccini. How you doing? How's you's doing? I'm Al Puccini.

That's my name. I'm Al Pepperoncini. They're so dumb. They don't get it. They don't get it. They don't know. They're like, ah, it's the Pappuccini brothers. They're very good, very trustworthy.

This is Robert and Roy Puccini. One was the CEO of the company, and the other was the head of security and technology division. The transport department was headed by Ray Wong Tan. Okay? Yeah. And they would do all this. They had a violence division as well. They had like your enforcers.

Yeah. As your your technology people, your you know, your logistics people and then your ground people that would actually get shit done. That's what they had. So Charles, basically from jail, they said also was, you know, he made over 14,000 phone calls when he was just in jail. Right. That's pretty obvious that there's notes that he smuggled out of prison on drug dealing. Basically, we have every bit of evidence you could possibly have wiretap conversations.

And we didn't dig. You gave it to us. You just gave it to us. Um, so, um, at that point there, he's,'s uh they arrest 66 people and seize 48 cars as well oh with a combined value of 10 million guilders unbelievable so that's a lot i think i think it's pretty close to a dollar that many cars are worth more than his boat yeah well this these cars are like all hot cars he's arrested's arrested and transferred to Amsterdam here. They seize, among the things they seized, were a Ferrari here that I found that was among a group of classic cars.

They're eventually sold by order of the Dutch government at an auction and all sorts of fucking cars. This is crazy shit. We'll get into a couple of them. Are they forced to sell those at a good value? Because if it just goes at auction for nothing, are they still on the hook for the rest? That's the thing. And we'll talk about one guy who was trying to get one of the cars and he was hoping it would quietly just go up. But then when a whole lot of them goes up, the collectors swarm.

And then at that point, you're just competing with other collectors. If you're the only collector there, you're going to it as a steal probably right so but that doesn't happen very often with cars like this uh because there's like people it's their job is to scout cars for people and they they their job is also to find shit like this to go to yeah exactly just scout things to do um they uh uh this one car was returned to the u.s when it was sold because it came from the u.s went overseas and then they brought it back here uh one is a 63 ferrari 250 shit yeah um it's auctioning for i guess that's in guilders i don't know what the fuck that symbol means millions 1.3 1.3 million to 1.6 million uh it. It sold, oh, that's a dollar sign.

Okay, it sold for $1,226,000 at the 2019 Gooding & Company, some auction. Yeah. Yeah, the 250 GT Berlinetta. They trace it back to October of 63 when it was completed at the Ferrari factory. It was the 128th one built that year, and it was originally finished in the color scheme of smoke gray and italver. I don't know what the fuck that is. Italian silver? Maybe.

Italver. With black Connolly leather upholstery. Awesome. Upon completion, it was delivered to M. Gaston Crapaldi, the official Ferrari dealer in Milan, and it's believed that it remained in Italy for several years before being exported to the United States. By 1989, it was in the care of Bill Ziegenbein, who was the proprietor of Prestige Motors in Madison Heights, Michigan. So they had it there. And a year later, somebody else sold it at a London auction. And in 1991, it was advertised for sale by an la-based car dealer and then by 1993 it seized with his shit so sometime

after 91 91 is when he really went on a spending spree of cars he got new race cars he got all these new like company things personal cars all this shit That car's done more traveling than I have. It's been everywhere for fuck's sake. It's gone around the fucking world. It's so cool. They have a history of that. It went here, and then it went there, and this guy bought it, and then they shipped it on a fucking ship across the ocean.

It's pretty wild. So it's auctioned in July 2001, and Fritz Kreumann's had the winning bid. So then we told you that was- And then it came back to the US? And then, yeah, later returned to the US where it was sold to Tom Price of Larkspur, California. Okay. And then it was sold to two East Coast collectors. So it's been sold like 10 times since then.

That's wild. March 9th, 1994. We've got a couple more cars to talk about briefly at the end. March 9th, 1994 is his sentencing. And Jesus Christ, this is pretty interesting uh before after this uh he sentenced you sir yeah may fuck off he's sentenced to four years imprisonment for speeding uh well no this is for the 93 raid oh yeah you pulled the gun on the agents and all that shit he is all that's bad enough but then he's ordered to forfeit the u.s dollar

equivalent of 45 million dollars oh my god that is bad and that's not a scott tucker will appeal it until it goes up and then never have to fucking pay it back this is they seized this right now i'm already he's got it yeah they've already seized it and they ain't giving it back 45 million dollars worth of shit why would you do it anymore yeah 45 why didn't you quit 20 million ago i quit goodbye yeah you'll never see me no go move to some fucking it's because he likes three million dollar boats he likes to fuck around this guy stupid this guy like he's a think about people who like to race cars. Are there geared differently than other people? They need to move. I like to race a car.

Literally, like they can't just go sit in a tire and be like, this is cool. I'm not worried about my bills. You can't do that. He's Joe Pesci in casino. I'm stupid. I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck. That's crazy.

I go to jail. Right. Why? Why keep going? Twenty million dollars. What? Twenty five. I'll give you twenty five. Thirty. What do going? $20 million. $25. I'll give you $25.

$30. What do you need $30 for? That's your personality, though. That's your personality. You have a lead. You've got to give it more gas and get a bigger lead. I couldn't do it. That's not my style.

Not my personality. Especially if you're doing- I just want to relax. I'm just trying to get to a place to relax. That's it. That's all I want. You're doing something that's a fluke that doesn't happen. Get the fuck out. Get out.

There's a reason it doesn't happen. No shit. So they call that representing his illegal drug profits. He's said to have earned at least, I don't know what any of these fucking things are. It looks like an F that's tilted to the side. It's a Frank. Italic F. 60 million of whatever the fuck that is between 89 and 93 and still had to pay 22 million half moons with two lines through them.

So those are rough to have to pay those back. Half moons? Like a C, a backward C with a couple of lines horizontally through them. 22 and a half million of those things. Those are a lot. That's a lot. For this tax authority. You have to gather them up.

They run when you try to get them. All of his cars are auctioned, and it's a lot. That's a lot. There's a tax authority. You have to gather them up. They run when you try to get them. All of his cars are auctioned, and it's a lot. In 1994, in August of this year, a burglary takes place at the public prosecutor's office of Joe Valenti. Fifty floppy disks with information about the Zwolzman case are stolen, and that's it. Floppies. That's all? That's what's taken. Weird.

All the info on his shit. Some of the information gets leaked later on. The floppies end up being confiscated by the Justice Department in 95 from a crime reporter. So it ended up getting out to, they ended up selling them, probably copied them and sold them to the media, too, and leaked them. And so they found out that a guy named sam klepper was behind the burglary and uh the magazine says that uh that uh um you know that he was behind it and they don't know what the fuck he was trying to do if

he was trying to hamper the case against walsman or what or just try to get information so it was like so he was the only one to have it. Who knows? Yeah, get money for it. Like a tabloid guy. Zwolzman said, quote, even he said. Oh, OK. I'm sorry. He said that he was told this by the prosecutor, quote, even if it costs me 100 million guilders, I will destroy you anyway. million guilders i will destroy you anyway that's what zolzman said that he happened that was he was told by the police chief and by this valenti guy and all this sort of shit and uh in 1994

there's a lawsuit against him that stated uh due to incriminating statements by former employees and he's sentenced to prison and all this type of shit they're going to take all this other shit from him so he owes like multiple governments millions of dollars his cars are being auctioned all over the place i found a lawsuit from 1995 in the in united states court this is in the district for southern california because it's about a place in san diego uh it's u.s versus vacant land known as Los Maros. And it's vacant land that he owns that they're trying to take away from him, apparently here.

Because it's mad valuable down there. Yeah, he filed to dismiss a forfeiture action pending against this thing here. And the government alleges that he was laundering illegal proceeds in the United States by using a California company.

He established Eurocars LA and Swolsman Company would buy and resell expensive and exotic cars and allegedly using go between. He sold some of the cars held by Eurocars and purchased this parcel of land located in San Diego County known as Los Maros. located in San Diego County, known as Los Maros. So in 93, the Dutch Ministry of Justice requested the assistance from the U.S. government in investigating Zwollman and other people, and they ended up doing this. And in 92, they executed an agreement. Basically, we have an agreement with the Dutch to give information back and forth with each other here. to give information back and forth with each other here. So they end up looking into his whole thing and finding out all this financial shit.

And what they're saying is, we can take this land from you because the money you bought it with traced back was drug money at some point. You laundered it, but before it was laundered, it was drug money. So we're taking that from you. And he's saying, but I laundered it. Like, before it was laundered it was drug money so we're taking that from you and he's saying but i laundered it right like i bought it with clean money whether it wasn't

that's that shit once it's clean it doesn't matter what the fuck was on it beforehand you know it's kind of saying like this was already taxed you can't tax it again yeah or like picking up a pair of pants at goodwill and they're perfectly clean even though somebody pissed in them one time you know now they're perfectly clean, even though somebody pissed at them one time. You know, now they're perfectly clean. So what do you care? Now they look good. So either way, however you want to look at it. So in January 10th, 1995 is when sentencing comes around and he is sentenced.

You, sir, may fuck off sentence for leading a criminal organization in complicity and smuggling drugs. Five years in prison. Oh, boy. Oswaldman this time. And give us all your shit. Five years and we'll take all your shit, even though you won't need it anyway because you're going to be in fucking prison. Right. And it's later confirmed by the Supreme Court as well.

So he is fucked. Problem is he ends up getting out in January of 97 because he gets some time served as well that he was in there waiting trial and all that shit. And immediately he starts a garage company called Cool Cars in Narden where he sells Porsches out of that. And you know what goes great with Porsches, Jimmy? A lot of things. Yeah. Naked girls. Naked girls.

Races. Racing. Drugs races racing drugs trucks it all goes hand in hand you know what i mean yeah uh so he also races this year no he's in two races and uh he gets one podium which is that top three three okay but no wins so not bad one out of two races he did decently or it's it's technically top whoever uh is getting prize money oh okay yeah it could be two do the top five top two okay only one uh yeah didn't win the race so he's selling porsches slinging some shit again and winning a race so he's back yeah he's back baby back in it now his kid here zwolzman j Jr., he was from 99. He started competing in different. First, he was in kart before that.

Then he starts competing in French and German Formula Ford Series before moving to the Formula Renault 2000 Euro Cup. He's racing in Renault. He is. He finished second in the whole series. Awesome. He's doing very well. He also raced in the French Formula Renault Series, finishing fifth in that. In 2001, he finished third in the German Formula Renault Championship.

He's a great racer. He's doing well. Much better than his father. And also ran in Formula Renault 2000 Euro Cup, finishing eighth. It helped that he always had these carts and shit, and his dad's got tons of money buying him cars when he was a kid. the money buying him cars when he was a kid so in 2002 he moved up to formula three whatever the fuck that means in both the german formula three and the f3 euro okay whoa boy f3 euro series he finished 17th in series championship with seven top 10 results in 2003 he's in the same thing in 2004 and he finished 16th in the championship uh with the best finished of third

okay 2005 he made his debut in america at the uh toyota atlantic series and qualified fastest in the first race he was in great so it was in long pole position yeah it did great atlantic and long beach what toyota atlantic series and there's long beach long island okay yeah but his car Long Beach, what? Are they confused? Toyota Atlantic Series. There's Long Beach, Long Island. Okay, that's a good point. Might have been out of Long Island, yeah. But his car failed technical inspection, and he was forced to start last. There was something off on the car, and so he instead got from first to last. Ouch. That hurts, man. That's bad.

Ask a Royal Rumble entrant. That's not good. No. So during the race, he moved up, though, all the way from last and ends up finishing third in the race so he does well he uh he earned the 05 atlantic title behind eight podiums he won the atlantic series apparently that year three wins and five polls it's great he clinched the championship over rivals tonus k smiths yeah andge. Oh, look at that. Oh, good for you, Kat. A lady involved in the top three.

I like it. Go get him. Go get him. So he ended up, you know, he's doing all this shit. And once his dad gets out of jail, well, his dad's very interested in his racing career. He wants to help him out, obviously. And after he wins the 2005 Atlantic Series, the Toyota Atlantic Series, later drives for Team Australia and Conquest in Champ Car. I don't know what the fuck that is.

He finished 13th. His last, I don't know what the fuck's going on there. But that's the son. So his son through all this is thriving. Yeah. And then in February 2000, though, after our guy gets out of jail and everything, he is sentenced to pay 62 million guilders. Oh. That's a lot.

On top of the 45 that he already paid? Yeah, this is a separate thing. Holy shit. Separate thing. A payment total of 77 million was demanded. He appealed. The problem was, while he's appealing in 2001, he is arrested again. So the appeal kind of loses some of its teeth if you get arrested for drug trafficking again

while you're appealing your thing for drug trafficking. Not real good. The appeal ends up going nowhere. And the amount he had to pay, though, does get reduced on a later appeal to 28 million guilders. That's a deal in comparison yeah still a lot uh he's sentenced though you sir may fuck off six years in prison oh my word he is just he's out for a couple years builds it up just enough time for them to build a huge case against him put him back in for five years wow um eight years they wanted eight years but they get he gets six okay and he uh

he files an appeal but then he withdraws it because i mean he got off lucky anyway so in 2005 he is sentenced again during all of this to pay back this is the uh they're still trying to deal with restitution to the state so uh he ends up deciding to or being sentenced to pay the state an amount of 22.5 million euros oh for his drug that's a lot more it's a fuckload of money i know what those are a lot those are heavy those are heavy yeah your whole pocket of those your pants will fall a lot of ink on those a whole lot of shit going on so the conviction is a result of a lot of all of this is a tons of court shit i've been going into this here um and the appeal is uh he ends up lodging an appeal and uh gets nowhere on that but then he lodges a later appeal that rules that he only has to pay 13 million okay so after

all that he has to pay total of 13 million euros on this round which still sounds like a lot he has made so much money yeah this is i mean they said how much he made they thought he made which is way less than he probably actually did and then they just made it like a third of that so not too bad here uh the court uh arrived at a lower amount than demanded because of quote a slightly different valuation of the items put forward by the public prosecution service. So what they could actually prove that he earned was less than they said. You can't just be like, I'm sure he made more. Right.

Or there's some square in a corner office that doesn't know the street value of drugs. Exactly. He's like, oh, he had a kilo. That's like two billion dollars. Billion dollars, man. So much. You could kill like the whole country with that. street value of drugs exactly he's like oh he had a kilo that's like two billion dollars billion dollars man so much you could kill like the whole country with that because that guy paid way too much for a gram of coke he's not good at it now so november 1st 2006 charles is out again okay he's out he's got a farm in zwarta broke broke zwarta broke sure there and uh october 31st 2006 the police raid his farm now

yeah he and his 39 year old girlfriend are both arrested and uh they're suspected of drug traffic trafficking possession of weapons money laundering participation in a criminal organization when they were arrested they found money and guns all this shit more than uh 2 000 kilos of hash uh what was it 59 kilos of amphetamines that'll get you now he's running math yep and four guns as well so that's not great for that um he said that quote oh and a shitload of ammunition too he said quote i don't have the money because they're asking him where his money is because they couldn't find as much money as they thought he should have. He said, I don't have the money. When I was in jail, I couldn't do anything.

If you sit inside for too long, the payment morals of people who still have to pay you money weaken. One dies. The other goes bankrupt. Another just doesn't pay anymore. That's what it is. Remember in Goodfellas, Karen's like, you know, that guy owes you, can I get that? He's like, no one's going to help us in here, Karen, you understand?

Out of sight, out of mind. I asked your friend for the money you owe me, he told me to take my kids down to the police station and get on welfare. He goes, no one's going to help us, Karen, we're on our own in here. So that's what he's saying, no one's paying me anymore so he can't repay his profit it's all gone yeah he took i bought cars then he sold them so that was your money from me now you're telling me to pay you more money i don't have it i had cars and you took them so that's what i got uh so he's arrested here um this is uh they also accuse him of laundering at least 600 000 euros which isn't a lot in the drug trade all the hash all the hashish all of the amphetamine all the

weapons and also management of three cannabis farms as well oh he's growing too he's growing yeah that's pretty we'll talk about that as well. It was him, his girlfriend, and a handyman were arrested, in quotes, hanging around the house. I've got to have a guy for the fans and lights. You know, he's got to keep everything in working order. And just another suspect that they don't name. Well, he had three automatic pistols and a revolver in his possession, and they found shitloads of uh administrative paperwork yeah for his drug organization a large number of telephones which also you know led to the whole thing here and uh in addition also they confiscated 10 expensive cars okay that were in an inflatable tent outside

oh yeah yeah it was like uh yeah like a sale tent or some shit like that. I guess. I don't know. Is that what it is? You know, like some football teams, like college teams, run inflatable tents. Oh, that's right, for like a practice facility. That's right. You just put cars in there. That makes sense. But I don't know. Either way, he's, you know, run.

He's just not feeling himself. He can't get anything going. I mean, he's out on bail and everything, but it's just not the same, you know? He doesn't know what to not feeling himself. He just, he can't get anything going. Yeah. I mean, he's out on bail and everything, but it's just not the same. You know, he doesn't know what to do with himself. And, uh,

then he gets arrested. He's put back in here when he was out on bail to begin with. It's a fucking disaster. And he's just sitting in there. And one night he's just thinking his wife is in his girlfriends in jail. Still, he can't break her out. He doesn't know what to do.

That's it. So finally, you know, there's a knock at the door yeah and he says okay maybe this is someone who can help me and he opens the door and it's not exactly a helpful person but it is someone we know yeah guns blazing the mexican pimp standing there before him and he says how is it you've come to arrive here? Why are you here? Why?

Why couldn't you take the money? You have so much money. So much money. You take the money, right? You take in your hands and you go. You buy island. You buy a villa on the side of a mountain overlooking the ocean. And from it, you can sell so many women.

So many women. So many women. You can have them brought to you the same way as hash and distribute them throughout the European continent. The Netherlands is right there. It's legal. If I had 45 million of startup capital, the business I could do, but you instead. Pathetic. You buy flashy cars. You buy the things that don't matter.

You wasteful fuck. I am disgusted with you. Disgusted. I do my tequila and I leave now. Poof. In a cloud of guns and tequila, he's gone. And Charles is like, I don't understand english and i especially don't

understand it in a in a not really good mexican accent so but if somebody explains that to me i'll probably say you're right but he's probably right though that's all i know here so they're all arrested here and uh the they had uh more than a hundred cell phones and SIM cards laying around. Burner phones. Burner phones. They were not good shit there. So they seize all this type of stuff. They also seize cannabis nurseries in all sorts of different places.

Alkmar, Hoisin, Permarind. Oh, you got to have one there. Wilp. Yeah. Wilp. That's a real put it. I tell you what. W-I-L got to have one there. Wilp. Yeah. Wilp. Wilp. That's where we'll put it. I tell you what. W-I-L-P.

Wilp. Wilp. Something there. Wilp. Put it up there. Heloo. Heloo. Heloo there.

H-E-I-L-O-O, which I assume is just Dutch hello. Heloo. Heloo. How are you? Heloo. Heloo. Nice to see you. Hilarious.

So, and also Heems Kirk. And in Zewald, they came across a room where the weed was dried and they found the drying packaging area. So they're putting it in there. And he just loves doing this shit. He just keeps doing it shit he just keeps he doesn't know any other way to make money he doesn't he knows how to sell flowers that's it right that's it so one flower or another yeah um they did say at this point though they're looking into it and they figure out that uh on behalf of him more than a million euros was paid to a racing

team in indianapolis that was originating from Luxembourg bank accounts. The National Criminal Investigation Department, also investigating Zwolzmann's involvement in the smuggling of hash to England, found this as well. And the Public Prosecution

Service suspects that in 2005 it came in to buy cars and other racing things like that. In 2007, they announced that it would withdraw some of these allegations but then prosecute a bunch more that they found. So we'll pull those back, but we have a bunch more to tell you about. And his son here, the problem is his son is doing very well. He's doing awesome, but he's part of that race team that they're investigating. Oh, no.

Because he's investing in the race team his son is on. Yep. I don't know, to help him probably. I mean, that's what you do. Also, I found during this, we'll get into that in a second, but I found this guy, Bruce Meyer. Do you know who he is? No.

Car collection guy. No. Like, they've fucking, you know, leno goes to his house to look at it and shit and where is all the car people la in california yeah he ended up getting the the what he calls the gem of his collection and this was a zwolzman car a 1957 ferrari 250 trc testarossa and he said it's it's fucking dope too. It's a beautiful car. And it was really hard to find

apparently. And he said that he chased this for 10 years. He said I had every broker in Europe looking. Everyone was getting close but they could never find it. So after 10 years I kind of gave up. And it turned out the car he was looking for belonged to Charles Walsman.

Hilarious. He had it in some inflatable tent on his farm. A barn find. Fucking crazy. Yeah. So when he was arrested in 93, when they seized that round, every time he gets arrested, they seize all of his cars and auction them. So there's so many cars floating around out there. Wild.

That you can find. That are at these rich fucks' homes. Yeah, that were his drug cars. Wild uh so he stashed it away there he thought at that point quote uh in 2001 he said the guy a friend of mine says the government's doing an auction and i think they're going to auction off that testarossa yeah he had been held for like seven years since they confiscated it it was a sealed bid auction so he's's like, fuck, that's tough. So he said, I thought I was in the know and I'm the only one who knows this car,

so I'm going to steal this thing. See? I'm leaving Thursday morning and I say to his attorney and broker, will you check the car for me, thinking I'm the only one who's going to buy it. And he said, all of a sudden the word comes out and there's a group of 15 cars with the Testarossa. He said, I'm like, oh, shit. So I tell Martin, you got to add more money to it. all of a sudden the word comes out and there's a group of 15 cars with the testarossa oh no he said

i'm like oh shit yeah so i tell martin you got to add more money to it i don't want to lose it basically overpay for it just get it at the auction i see a note from the car and he says empty your bank account you've won the car so it costs a lot of fucking money everything yeah uh he said he lucked out a lot he ran into another collector and uh said holy shit you won you want to sell it to me like people they right away they were they were trying to buy it from him right after he bought it and uh he said that they uh people he only bit outbid this guy by 50 grand which is nothing when you're talking a million and a half dollars so he said i ended up paying fair market value which was a relief yeah so he ended up actually getting it for a

decent price he said that uh uh quote you're never too old to have a happy childhood okay yeah if you have millions of dollars to spend on fucking cars fuck you sir you're kidding me you're never too old to spend 1.5 million dollars on a car like you should try it sometime like that's an option that you have that you're just not doing because you're lazy or you just don't feel like it. Oh, Bruce, you're a dickhead. A douche. Suck, dude. That makes sense why you're friends with Jay Leno. Yeah.

Hey, I love your cars. Yeah, sure. You know, you're never too young to... Right. Hey, Bruce, let me go on my. Hey, yeah. Both of you are fucking idiots. We're having a great second childhood, aren't we?

It's pretty good. Yeah, my first childhood was dreaming of hosting the fucking tonight show yeah i never thought in childhood my pee would break off into three separate streams but you know what it's doing it enjoy your car and your limp dick sir there you go so woman prostate motherfucker it's awesome unbelievable so in 2007 the raid in indy, back to that, DEA, the Drug Enforcement Administration, and investigators from Holland working together paid a visit to Conquest Racing to question owner Eric Bachelart about his association with Charles Walsman Sr.

Junior is one of the drivers there. Wolsman senior junior is one of the drivers there. Uh, the, I guess, um, you know, he'd been driving and now they're saying is Wolsman senior got arrested.

They tracked some money to, like we said to this fucking race team. So, um, they ordered all crew members out of the, out of this place and search the premises all day long. They searched this guy's house. Um, this guy,

bachelorette said they just wanted to ask questions and look around. He said, we have nothing to hide and we haven't done anything wrong. Everything's okay and our shop will be back to normal tomorrow. So they couldn't find anything on that. But they said, they're talking about Zwalsman Jr. One guy says, quote, I heard his old man had gone to jail a few weeks ago, but Eric and I didn't know anything about his past problems. He said, this is like a bad joke.

Like, you know, this is coming around on us. Bachelard said, I didn't know any of this stuff about his father when I signed Charles, and I feel bad for him because he's a sweet kid. He's just a victim of what his father's been doing. Which, I mean, he doesn't, I mean, I know he knows. Let's be honest here they said that uh acting as his son's agent this is from court documents dutch court documents that i had to fucking translate let me tell you something i read i read american court documents and i you know have some semblance of knowing the law here but i'm not a fucking attorney. So when I'm reading these, it's hard enough.

Sure. When I'm reading Dutch court documents, I have to translate into English and then try to figure out what they mean. That's over like that. I'm not doing that ever again. I just, that's,

I'm just telling you everybody next, next time like that happens, I'm saying it's a short episode this week. Fuck off. I'm not doing it. I'm going to read these in Dutch and you can figure it out. Dude, my fucking head hurt from doing this this is ridiculous so from the court documents basically they found that on that zwolzman senior chuck seniors acting as chuck

juniors in as his agent they said he provided an amount of u.S. currency, $1,650,000 to the race team there. This is from his own resources or through sponsorship or investments by a third party. That's the rules of everything there. He had various payments made over here. Bank transfer, all this different shit. A payment of $625,000 that originated from Zwalsman Sr. Then they found it went through like three other companies. Like this money was like laundered six times over.

Another one that $250,000 was deposited into Junior's bank account, I believe they're trying to say. Transferred to the race team at one other point. All this different shit here comes around. They said there's no concrete transfer or deposits into the accounts of the suspect. Yeah, okay. So lots of shit was, there's all this smoke, but they can't find any fire. Money's moving all over the place. Money's moving all over the place, but whoever the recipient of it doesn't know at all what it's

for or where it's coming from got it but the problem is in conspiracy cases a lot of times that doesn't matter but it's different with the way this is going on so they're they're parsing the law here either way june 12 2009 charles senior's arrested again god damn it he's arrested again uh him and his girlfriend were they say overpowered by officers he was in the parking lot of a restaurant they went out to eat came out and he got fucking sworn by officers awful uh it's an arrest team got him at the parking the restaurant uh dig gordon ane. DeGordrene. It's nice. It sounds beautiful. Yeah.

Lovely. Yeah. A piano going in the background. He's arrested by the National Criminal Investigation Department on suspicion of large-scale trade in soft drugs. It revolves around hemp cultivation in a series of nurseries in the Netherlands. And also hashish smuggling. It's the same exact thing he was doing the whole time. If he few years he'd be a king right now yeah he just can't stop me because he needs money when he gets out what is he gonna do sit there with nothing right you know get a job

he's not gonna do that that so um yeah they get him in the parking lot him and his girlfriend are suspected of money laundering paying more than a million euros this is also they lump that in there paying money to the race team his attempted money laundering of that shit um so it's almost like if he went and bought a car they can't charge the dealership with money laundering with helping him they don't know where the fuck the money it's not their job to figure out where the money came from he's buying something so i think that's the same kind of thing they do with the with the race team so uh the uh a large-scale investigation dubbed doomer hell yeah oh boy that's quite the name for that shit uh they said they also are accusing him of summoning witnesses to his cell to intimidate them while in while in jail and during the trial for this as

well you're testifying against somebody you're gonna go visit them he summons them to jail my oh my god jesus christ man um again suspected of leading a criminal organization blah blah blah so uh they're also investigating his now 42 year old girlfriend scarlet who's the same she's aging same one she's arrested in spain and spanish authorities are requested to extradite her, and they do. They dismantled a bunch of cannabis nurseries and all that shit. So May of 2010 is court, and the prosecutor demands seven years in prison. But the court finds that there's only sufficient evidence for so much of the shit that they had, basically. And so they kind of split the difference here.

And they give him, you, sir, may fuck off three years in a Dutch prison. So that's May 2010. So he appeals a little bit, and he ends up going in here at the end of 2010. Going to do like a year and a half in Dutch prison. You're almost done already. This guy will be fucking, I mean, he'll have an empire. And what's he going to go in for? Like, let's say he goes in for 14 months.

In 16 months, he'll have an empire again. I assume that's just how he does his business. So three years in a Dutch prison. So he's in there. January 21st, 2011. He dies in a Dutch prison. Oh, my. Has a heart attack and dies in prison.

Oh. That's unexpected. It was almost done anyway. They should have left him alone. Let's just leave him alone. Yeah, he would have died on the outside. So he's dead in Dutch prison. Jesus.

Unexpectedly. You know, he's not that old. Just smuggling weed. He's 50s. Smuggling weed. Jesus Christ, senior. Well, as he made too big of a business out of it if you're making millions and millions the government wants their cut man absolutely period they want their

fucking cut that has nothing to do with anything else it's that you're making more money than they are if you were moving that kind of weight in a in a mob fucking area they'd want their cut too and if you didn't give it to them they'd kill you right so this is like uh they're the mob there they want their cut and they're getting their fucking cut or else you're going to fucking jail period and then you will die in there that's what happens he died of a goddamn heart attack and i'm sure being in prison didn't help that any yeah if you're you know ill i don't think prison is the best place for you 60 years old is no no age to be in prison no he was only 50 for fuck's sake. He was 52 years old for Christ's sake.

Jesus. The young man. Wow. That's crazy. Drops dead, heart attack, boom. You live fast, you die. You die faster. Faster, harder, die harder.

Wow. 2011 still, later that year, because that was January, so you'd imagine the story's over, but no he resurrected well no his son and his his son and his son's mother zwolzman senior's ex-wife from back in the day the 16 year old he knocked up right her and his son zwolzman jr are arrested in the netherlands oh no and charged with involvement in money laundering. Oh, no. According to the prosecutors, Wolsman Jr. had finished his racing career with the proceeds of the criminal activities of his father, and he financed it throughout it as well. The prosecution just asked for a 240-hour community service sentence, 15-month suspended prison sentence, and a 20,000-euro fine. Okay.

He denies all the charges and won't won't give in on it really walsman jr he proceeds he says that he's going to fight all the allegations and um because some other people at a time of uh senior's death they reported that 36 of his associates are also involved in ongoing legal cases related to his shit at that moment. During all of this, later on in the year, a few of the major investors and sponsors that were involved in his dad's business were acquitted. They said they didn't know anything. So what ends up happening is he ends up going to jail for a little while, Zaltzman Jr., and then being released in 2012. But he's still trying to get his name cleared.

He fights the charges there, but he's trying to keep a low profile and doesn't do any more driving. He does become one of Dutch Race Drivers Academy private coaches. So he becomes a private coach. In his career that I found, he was in 121 races when he had seven wins. That's not bad. Not bad. 27 podiums. Yeah.

12 pole positions. That's great. That's good stuff. That's a good, yeah. I'd be happy with that. His podium percentage is 22.3. Not bad. More than one out of five times he ends up in the top three or whatever.

That's pretty fucking good. So yeah, good for him. 2005 was his last win at the Toyota Atlantic Championship. In New York or L.A., depending. We don't know. It's by Yokohama. That I do know. Sponsor.

He does that. According to the court documents, executives of the racing company there made statements in 2007 and 2008, which were then given to the DEA investigators, according to these reports, these two suspects stated that Zwolzman paid the full amount, Zwolzman Sr., of $1,650,000 out of his own pocket. It didn't come from any sort of business investment. investment according to the defense these reports uh can't be regarded as a written document containing the statements there because they weren't signed so this is the difference in a dutch court rather than the statements being heard and wiretapped or recorded or whatever apparently they weren't signed by the these guys so it doesn't appear that they were presented properly in court. It's some weird thing here. Then they found that other money came from Zwalsman Sr., but they found multiple different infusions of money from him. But during the interrogation of another suspect, he said that Swolsman Sr. signed a contract

as his son's agent and he was complying with that. The money could be paid out of his own pocket by a sponsor or another arrangement. And this guy didn't know where the money came from. He just knew that this guy was the agent and he was going to procure it for him. So it's just a payment. Yeah. So they talked to a bunch of people who went, I don't know where the fuck it came from. I don't was going to procure it for him. So payment. It's just a payment. Yes. So they talked to a bunch of people who went, I don't know where the fuck it came from. I don't know where the fuck it came from.

So they had phone tap conversations from February 7th, stating that everybody basically is two people were talking and they said, everybody knows that Swolsman senior pays for all this shit. And that everybody else knew about everything to begin with the race team owner all these people knew this shit everybody knows where the money's coming from guy's been arrested fucking so many times he's an international kingpin for christ's sake constantly we know who he is if that guy says i'll give you almost two million dollars no problem out of my pocket maybe be suspicious about it possibly fuck man The guy didn't sacrifice something to give you that money. He didn't sell a car. That's what I mean.

But the car still came from weed money. Fucking everything is from weed money. So they said it cannot be deduced from the phone conversations what another co-defendant bases these statements on. They said, we don't know this person's general character. You really have to prove a lot here. It's pretty weighted for the defendants. The same judgment they said went for somebody else. What is this? Basically,

they find Zolsman Sr. is the scumbag of everything. They're like, everything comes back to him. And now, by the time this is going through court, he's dead. So everyone's just blaming him for everything. I mean, he might have been doing it all, too, but either either way they're fucking saying he did it because what are they going to do to him he's dead which is honestly a decent play that is a solid play because he and he died in prison so it's there's no way to to spin that that i'm a bad guy i didn't die in prison

and i've never been to prison fuck yeah it's always him obviously always him so they found a fax here among these documents. They had bank details. The fax states that Zolsman Sr., as the addressee, attached a fax to an invoice stating the amount of all this money. Everything is very much in black and white, that he just didn't give a fuck. And he ran it through a few banks, but then he just put it right into the company's bank account they found notebooks with shit in it like they found a lot of stuff 2016 um uh scarlet the girlfriend yeah was arrested in spain by the at the request of the dutch government and she has

to go to prison in the netherlands now They sentenced her to 514 days for money laundering. A year and a half? Yeah. She was involved with him helping him make bank transactions, and she's not dead. Right. So for all these people, this whole organization, everybody that got money, everybody that benefited from it, Scarlett, you're going to jail for it, sweetheart. No.

I know race teams are funded, and people got paid and everybody did and went across the ocean and all this shit but we think scarlet is going to take the fall for everything scarlet she's she's they keep going back to spain to get her she is loving the money that she has get me the fuck away from these people. Stay in the fucking Riviera. No shit. Get me away from all these people. Then there's a guy named Mark Chase here who he buys and sells cars and all sorts of shit like that. In one case here, Zwolzman, obviously, they were both trying to – he was involved in that 95 case with the land. And they were both trying to hold on to their assets involved in this. And they said that Zwolzmann was laundering illegal drug money through the car company.

Zwolzmann's lawyer said he didn't remember that much about it, but they ended up getting basically Chase ended up selling Zwolzmann a rare Ferrari in this whole deal. And Chase's attorney here said that, what did he end up going for? He paid both Zwolzmann and the Ferrari dealership. He recouped more than $84,000 from the government and won the right to purchase a Northern California car dealership. Basically, there was a guy who did business with him,

so they told him he couldn't own a car dealership because they thought he was crooked. And he had to go to court for all this to prove that he wasn't crooked. And he just bought a Ferrari from the guy. He wasn't involved in money laundering. He was just a car guy who wanted a fucking Ferrari. So he had to go through all this shit to be able to own a car dealership after all this stuff. So some of the cars here. One is a Ferrari 400, a Ferrari Mira S. s what is this here let me look at this um

i can't figure out exactly what the it's got red leather it's gray yeah um i don't know much about it but there's that one 72 ferrari 365 gtb for daytona berlin Oh, boy. That sold for $555,000 in Florida here in May of 2021. Just happened. Just fucking happened there. Another one here. They talk about this 72 Ferrari is pretty fucking badass. Actually, they talk a lot about this shit in this whole thing. They talk about it was seized in 93 in 2001 it was auctioned off

and then following the sale it went over here and then it end up holy shit and then it ended up being acquired by some guy in illinois and then uh it ended up going back to europe this is fucking insane how many times do you ship a car across an ocean? Back and forth. Jesus Christ. It just depends on what rich fucking car loving. Yeah, they just keep finding them. Yeah, psycho wants to ship it. If you've got the money to buy a car like that, you've got the money to ship it to wherever the fuck you live. You're not like 10,000. You're not going to freak out at how much it costs.

Get it to Dubai. What's that going to cost me? Pay it. I don't give a shit. Put it on a helicopter. Carry it over there with a big claw. I don't give a shit. The 1990 Sp spice car there

the se90c uh they had that whole thing they they uh auctioned that off jesus what is the car the actual one that ran in the lamont's 24 hour thing uh tim harvey oh they're talking about tim harvey harvey there he is tim harvey tim harvey right he did great no he didn't buy it he just said he he raced in it and all that sort of thing here um so yeah all that sort of shit succumbed to chassis succumbed to engine failure so you gotta look out for that so it's a lemon that's it so he's dead yeah his son actually in 2016 he ends up being cleared of all wrongdoing good for him so junior scarlet went to jail but junior he's cleared of all wrongdoing and he's apparently a racing instructor at this point okay and probably a good one i would imagine uh senior is dead in jail yeah buried i assume in a dutch

cemetery by now probably and uh that's that can't get enough yeah of dutch race car have a shitload of money and buy one of his cars you can do that probably uh you can go to auction yeah and you can find i'll show you this let me turn this this is the 72 ferrari holy look at that that thing is pretty it's it's very cool but if you if you have the money to buy that and or if you don't have the money to buy that buy a 240z yeah it looks kind of like that but it's a ferrari yeah it's a hand-built fucking ferrari got the fucking yellow logo on the hood estimate 500 to 600 thousand dollars wow the final price ended up being 555 thousand dollars for that for that yeah uh so you pay five it was 500 grand plus a commission of 11 percent to the whatever so uh

the daytona was has covered just under 5 000 miles since it was sold at the dutch government sale of drug dealers uh charles wolfman's collection um it was sold there in neglected condition yeah the collection has been stored under government control and neglect for seven years they just stick it in the fucking warehouse they don't bastard they just let it rot in there wow so uh for 68 000 it was extensively redone yeah and the new owner is very happy with it so yeah they let all the hoses rot and all that shit they don't fucking care fuel pump doesn't work they don't have a guy going in there starting it up right checking the oil on it and shit taking it a lap around the track to keep everything lubed nothing shit i said good

paint with three small nose chip stones very good upholstery with light driver's seat creasing. Good engine compartment and clean underbody. Got to have a clean underbody, Jimmy. Not like new, but more than good enough. Awesome. There you go. Bottom line, the new owner should be pleased, and it's very nice. Half a million dollars.

Half a million dollars. Fuck. There's that. There's also this Ferrari. Look at this thing, this red one. I like that. This yellow one. That thing is unbelievable. That's pretty, this red one. I like that. This yellow one.

That thing is unbelievable. That's pretty hot shit right there. I think that's the 68s. Look at the headlights on that. Yeah, they're like space age. Big, round. They're pretty. They look clean. Yeah, this one kind of looks like a Porsche a little bit.

That's the cool part about those old cars is that the new cars, because it's just plastic headlights, they yellow or get fucking musty. Yeah, it looks like shit. That shit was glass. Those never do that because it's glass. It, they yellow or get fucking musty. Those never do that because it's glass. It's fucking glass. They're beautiful forever. It's expensive if you break it, but it's gorgeous.

You're not going to break it. It's a goddamn Ferrari. It's a work of art. You're never driving that fast enough to break glass. No. So if you want to know more about the whole operation, not just the cars, you can read my very last drug transport, Mangled Between Criminals and the Judiciary.

That is by Paul Koenig. And that is the guy, or Paul Kaiser, Koenig? Now they're calling him Kaiser. Yeah, but now they're calling him Kaiser. I don't know if that's an alias or whatever.

Either way, this guy, he's the guy who ended up up flipping on them after you know running a regular guy who ran the ran hash back and forth and he's gonna say how zwolzman and the government fucked him over like he didn't know when he was decided to get into international smuggling that there might be a danger involved and you know might be bad people it's a high risk fucking break risk reward you weighed it You weighed it. So, anyway. You can buy that book. I don't know how much it costs

because I don't know what the hell that dollar amount means. I don't know what that sign is. It's a lot. But I think that comes in both Dutch and English. You can buy in either version. That's very thoughtful of them. I had to translate the ad to find that out.

So, I'm not sure. Either way, though, that, everybody, Oh, everybody, is Charles Walsman Sr. And a tale of international smuggling. It's a guy that was better at smuggling than he was at racing. Better at smuggling than anything. He's good at it. He makes a fuckload of money. Or is he terrible at it because he's getting caught?

You know what I mean? Which is it? It seems like he's good at it. He's bad at hiding it. he's bad at hiding it he's bad at hiding it seems like every big drug dealer gets caught yeah like there's just no way to not get caught right it's too much money do you have enough money saved to not only fight the battle legally but then like you know sit on that to then have it when you get out like that's the only question is but you're gonna get caught like it's there's no way to just do this and float by for 40 years and when shit's that illegal and you get caught for it

whatever pile you had people are pirating that yeah as you're fucking sitting a race wasting away this guy seems like though he'd start something up after six months he's under federal investigation and then they investigate him for two years arrest him put him in jail in jail for a couple. He gets out and then rinse and repeat. It's just that's what happened over and over again. There's no like he doesn't even get away with it for like five years. As soon as he starts to start investigating, I feel like he's just announcing it. You put like an ad in the paper back then like, hey, looking for good drug couriers. Do you love Morocco?

Has your transport business recently folded? Boy, do I have a news for you. I have a job for you. It's still transport, just different shit. So that is very fucking interesting. Racing, holding, and moving shit. Holding, moving, racing shit. Welcome to Zwolzmann and Son moving, racing, selling shit.

Laund and shit. We'll wash it for you. The son didn't end up doing anything. But I mean, I'm sure he knew where the fucking... If he knew his dad

was giving money, he knows what his dad does. He's not like, oh, my dad... No, he opened a bunch of falafel stands now. He's fine. My dad used to race

and then he's been in and out of prison for smuggling. I don't know what he does right now. Who knows? No idea. I'm not saying

the son was involved. I think the son was just racing. I don't think what he does right now no no idea i'm not saying the son was involved with the i think this i think the son was just racing i don't think he's involved in the drugs at all but he certainly knows what his dad does he just knew where 1.6 million dollars from his dad came from absolutely sorry it's hard not to not to know yeah anthony jr knew if uh tony soprano donated something to the school he probably knew where the money came from you know my mom does a very legitimate business. If she gave me $1.6 million, I'd have questions. Yeah, where the fuck do you get $1.6 million?

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