Crime in Sports - #264 - Charming The Cobra - The Shroudedness of Kabary "The Egyptian Magician" Salem

Episode Date: July 20, 2021

This week, we check out one of the strangest stories that we've ever done. It is impossible to describe exactly how unexpected of a turn that it takes. A man who is a 2 time Olympic boxer, and also a pro boxer, with a very respectable record. He was also known as one if the dirtiest fighters to ever lace up the gloves, and this was brought to the forefront when an opponent ended up dead. But that's not the only person who ended up dead, around him! !Save your brother from a magic carpet accident, kill a man while engaged in legitimate sport, and be accused of about the most horrific crime imaginable with Kabary "The Egyptian Magician" Salem!! Check us out, every Tuesday! !We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!  Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail]  Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurder See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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and this episode today of crime and sports is a wild as well we are going to talk about it's a boxer so a brain damage episode. And it's, you won't understand what I'm talking about until the end, but it's one of the weirdest episodes we've ever done. It's definitely

a crime in sports first. It's just some weird, weird shit. We're going to talk about a guy named Kabari Salem. You ever heard of Kabari Salem? No. Probably not.

Not a bad boxer either. That's the thing. Pretty good boxer. So it's, that's. Not a bad boxer either. That's the thing. Pretty good boxer. So that's how many boxers there are. That's the problem. He was like a light heavyweight at the peak of his career. So that's the, it's tough, man. You either got to be a middleweight or somewhere in there.

You got 140 to 156. Or even if there's some good fighters around, you can get into the 160s whenkins and shit was there but like that that is no man's land that light heavyweight division you gotta have some flash and pop or some knockout power otherwise nobody gives a fuck it's tough man so uh his nickname and this is a pretty good nickname we haven't had too many as good as this the egyptian magician all right so this is this is the guy you're fighting in mike tyson's punch out i assume where you have to wait for his jewel to flash and then you he zips around and that's when you know to cover up right even though i think he was indian but it's just a generally racist character a darker guy with a with a turban on and he's you know

you know what i'm saying the typical american generalized middle eastern yeah some sort of something from over there we know that's that's kind of what it's put out like hilarious that's kind of what mike dyson's punch out was it was a bunch of like it was yeah generally there's soda pop it's a stereotype video game yeah just a drunk russian guy you had it was funny i don't know why they had that piston honda are you kidding me the man's name even the german guy looked very oh god very nazi he was his name was kaiser that was his name and he didn't he come to the ring in like a pointed helmet or something i I think? I don't remember. I think he did. I think it was like a motorcycle point on it.

Yeah, like a German war helmet from the early 20th century. It was all so racist and awful, but a great game. The boxing was wonderful. And at the end of it, a black guy beats the living shit out of you. That's the game. So it's a weird racist game because you're like it's racist and then it's like not not for tyson though so um so the egyptian magician he is born february 12th 1968 he is born in big surprise cairo egypt so i don't know if we've ever had an Egyptian crime and sports subject. We have not.

This is a new one completely for us. Now, obviously, there's not a lot on his childhood because I don't know why. It just wasn't covered very much. So it's difficult, and I could have made up some crazy upbringing, but it would literally be like a mush together like at least if i'm doing like bernard below i'm like belgian belgian people i know there's waffles involved okay that's good or dutch people there's i know there's tulips like things you know but like this i would be mashing together stereotypes yeah you'd be from half the planet making a racist

video game just half the planet i'd be like yeah then he um he learned how to you know snake charm and he used to get the cobras out with his flute like i don't know what else to fucking say what else would i say so that would be racist too and the whole thing would just be a nightmare he lost his brother to a magic carpet ride crash that's the problem yeah well he survived the crash he survived brother james his brother survived the crash. He survived the crash. Yeah, but his brother, James. His brother survived the crash. But the problem is he crashed into a snake charmer and then the cobras bit him and he died from the poison of the cobras. That was the issue.

He fell in a cobra basket. He fell in a cobra basket. And so that's why he died. So there wasn't even the magic carpet. I mean, it's kind of ironic because his fall was broken by the cobra basket. Otherwise, he would have died from the fall. But the fact that he fell on the cobra basket meant he got bit by a bunch of cobras. So it really didn't work out well for him.

But the saddest part was after the snake bites was the camel stampede ran over the basket. That was bad. The camel stampede. That was a tough time for everybody, really, because that destroyed the whole market and all the tents. And, you know, everybody in their linen outfits and things like that. You know how that went, you know. But the genie brought him back to life, so that was nice. And it was during prayer time as well.

So everybody was facing Mecca. They didn't even see him. They didn't even see the camel coming. So that was rough. So Kabari said he was going to conquer this and because his brother was killed by cobras on a magic carpet he decided that he would learn to charm snakes while on a magic carpet so he'd conquer everything and then he was going to kill every camel he ever saw so that's that was his childhood everybody a camel murdering snake charming magic carpet flying

limousine magic carpet flying get stealing wheel and deal and son of a gun that's right that's what he is a wild story we just made up there you go we just told everyone it was fake ahead of time and made it up i think it was better that way it was see that it was because if i could have told you the other one and that would have been funny but trust me when i put it in it's the right time this wasn't the right time for it and uh when it comes a you won't be expecting it because i feel like everyone would be expecting this and so yeah yeah yeah when it comes you won't be expecting it and it's not now and so anyway he grows up i assume based on his life that at some point he takes up boxing um i'm not sure why i don't know if he got as a neighborhood bully

involved or i'm sure like i said an accident with a with a magic carpet and a cobra anything's possible but he ended up boxing which i'm not i honestly didn't i don't know like i know boxing culture and a lot of uh I'm a big boxing fan especially like history of boxing and all that there's like boxing in my family and people have like you know so I was interested in it because of that so like looking at it like I I know boxing culture in certain countries you know like America has a big boxing culture obviously Latin America has a big boxing culture that's a it's huge I mean it's you know like america has a big boxing culture obviously latin america has a big boxing culture that's a it's huge i mean it's you know the kids are out there doing knuckle push-ups

when they're six like you know that's if you go to south phoenix there's gyms out there you go by in the morning there are small children doing wild workouts there because they're training already to be boxers i mean it's a tape to the middle of their forearms and they're running in 120 degrees they don't give a fuck yeah i've seen it it's wild so um and i've been to these gyms too i've been to a gym like that down there and it's the really dedicated people uh the young people who are into boxing are dedicated people like because they're it takes a lot of uh it takes a lot of discipline and for a kid to have that kind of discipline it it's really impressive anyway in any culture. But I mean, all over the Europeans, I know the English, their their boxing culture, their what they're into European ones, but even Russian.

But I knew I've known nothing in the in like the Muslim world of of boxing. I just didn't know. I had no idea. And I'm not saying that wow what the fuck muslims can't box or whatever but i just had no fucking clue that this in egypt there there was like a you know a boxing gym and that was like a thing and i didn't know they were into it that's all yeah in that part of the world i just said no i've heard it before i mean soccer is certainly part of their culture that's a lot of sports i don't know i don't know what other sports there

i just yeah you don't a lot of sports yeah you just don't know what other sports are. Yeah, a lot of sports. Yeah, you just had crickets big. Basketball's big there now, too. Basketball's big, too. You just don't know, like, I don't know, but I haven't heard of a lot of, like, boxers from the Middle East or North Africa in this particular context. So it's weird. Anyway, he started his amateur career in 1989, from what I can find here. He must have started earlier than this, but the first—it has to, because he's fighting in a world championship at this point.

Do you think Muhammad Ali brought boxing to them? Do you think that that became something that they started to watch him? No, no, that's Africa. That's Africa. That's sub-Saharan Africa. That's a different— Oh, that's what he was— That's a different story.

That was the Muslim religion he was into? Yeah, but it's a different story. Oh, that's what he was? That was the Muslim religion he was into? Yeah, but it's a different – there's – Sub-Saharan Africa is a completely different thing than Northern Africa. Okay. Northern Africa is, I guess – I'm sure I'm going to use the wrong terminology and someone will get mad at me. But for lack of more – for lack of better clarification on my part, northern africa is like you know quote arab you know what i mean and southern and sub-saharan africa is black so got it that's kind of how you you know that's that's the way i've always thought i understood that muhammad ali uh just islam in general well islam i just figured that whole continent but it's a different that's

all my point is just changing his name to muham Ali. I figured that would make some fucking news there. Maybe, yeah. I don't know. And that's the thing, too. I don't know culturally if that meshes there or not. It might. And it might be an idiot. I don't know.

You know what I mean? I have no clue. But at some point, he was boxing. And getting into it to the point where on September 26th, 1989, he is in Moscow at the 1989 AIBA World Championships. And I have him in the quarterfinal winning on points against Billy Walsh and making him 1-0 for the tournament. And then two days later on September 28th, 89, he fights a guy named Torsten.

Yeah, Torsten Schmitz. What a name. Torsten. Jesus Christ. I've known two guys named Torsten. Are you kidding me? Swear to God. I've never heard a human being named Torsten before.

It sounds like a name that people are going to start naming their kids though any day now you know what i mean this is a little torsten and this is probably popular in the in the fucking mormon world i don't even know somewhere yeah there's somewhere there's a bunch of fucking ladies sitting at starbucks going yeah before torsten was born you know somewhere i don't know where but and it's a toddler in a fedora. Yeah, yeah. Little Torsten. I've known two dudes, and one of them was a real estate agent. He had to put that shit on signs. What was his, oh, I'm not going to ask you this.

What nationality were their last names? Oh, unbelievably white. Yeah, okay. Like Schmitz is pretty, yeah. Like Smith would have, it was, I don't know his last name. We don't want to blow up his spot here i know what it sounds like to me right now in my head and it's unbelievably like fucking idaho you know like it's so white it's incredibly white so he loses to torsten torsten angry about his name never fight a man named torsten he's not gonna be the torque he's

been he's been fucked with a lot and he's just like he could snap it at any minute and go go like ralphie from christmas story on you in a heartbeat just be on top of you just be a referee's trying to pull you off go into a neutral corner you're like you're just beating him not even with your fist just at the bottom of your palm pounding Pounding on his face. Forearm hammers. Yeah, that's all there is to it. So he ended up going, I guess, one and one in that tournament. And then I see in 1991 at the All-Africa Games, he won a gold medal in the light middleweight division.

He gets a lot bigger as he gets older here. In the light middleweight division at those games he gets a lot bigger as he gets older here in the light middleweight division uh at those games a gold medal so great apparently he's the best light middleweight amateur on the continent at least i mean so good for him uh it's a big one that's a big one and he ends up going to the 1992 olympics oh oh yeah going to the olympics barcelona yeah look at him in barcelona uh yeah 24 years old when he gets there and he uh he fights leonidas malecus wow from uh yeah malecus from lithuania i believe oh he was from and uh he's around uh salem is representing egypt. And it is match number 15. And he loses.

So there's that. He loses on points, which in the Olympics, you can't take wins or losses at that kind of thing in the Olympics. I mean, Mike Tyson lost in the Olympics. Are there knockouts in the Olympics? Yeah, there are knockouts. Yeah, it happens. But there's fucking headgear. So, I mean, you got to really wallop somebody in the face.

So it's not about that. It's more about points. there's fucking headgear. So, I mean, you got to really wallop somebody in the face. So it's not about that. It's more about points. It's a style. Some guys. There's actual defense. And some guys drop that style pretty quickly. And then some guys, you know, don't basically. I mean, like Oscar De La Hoya never stopped fighting an Olympic style. He always fought an Olympic style.

Like, oh, that's one point. That's one point. Like he was counting points in his head as he was boxing. Like, I think I got him this score to this score. I really do. Incredible. I feel like it. So he ends up losing there, which I mean, hey, you know what?

You made it to the Olympics. There's no goddamn shame in losing in the Olympics. So he's tied for 17th, which is last place. It goes from, like, 9th to 17th. And there's, like, a dozen guys tied for 17th. It's everybody place. It goes from like 9th to 17th. And there's like a dozen guys tied for 17th. It's everybody who lost in the first round, basically. They're all tied for 17th. And 1996, he goes back to the Olympic Games.

Oh. I don't know if he's the only. Sydney? That was Atlanta. Oh, Atlanta. That's right. The whole bombing and everything. Sydney's 2000, yeah.

I believe so, yeah. So anyway, Atlanta here. He's 28. I don't know if Egypt doesn't have any other boxers. Yeah, at 28, that seems a bit old to be in the Olympics. It's strange for a boxer to box twice in the Olympics, unless it's like they were 16 when they boxed, and now they're 20 or something.

But at 24, usually you box in the olympics then you turn pro right or you stop boxing like you don't continue to amateur box he continued to amateur box for another four years that's like that's a very weird thing his pro career doesn't start till 97 so it's very very he was 30 basically yeah almost 29 when he started that's insane so uh in 1996 he fights uh a man uh what was this ariel hernandez from cuba and uh ariel hernandez uh beats him as well it's a loss on points again there's only there are only three rounds too in the olympics i mean it goes by quick and if you you don't even have to have gotten hit hard ever just he jabbed you a few times and that's it he's up on points so i don't think i've ever seen an olympic

boxing match they're pretty fucking boring they're boring i mean you have to throw hands because it's points but it's it's all about like uh they literally count like you hit this part of the glove on here that counts as one point and that counts as two points it's like a so it's kind of boring they're not going for yeah they're not going for a knockout they're not there's not really exciting everybody's kind of saying okay we're going to fight for three rounds and see who who gets the most shots landed kind of a thing but then again as as the reward for it being a medal uh i don't know that i want i don't know that i want my best fighters in my country going to that and possibly getting their heads split open and never fighting again you know what i mean yeah well that's a good point too so yeah you like the headgear now i kind of do yeah i don't

want to i still don't want to watch it yeah it's boring as shit i'm glad that you guys are doing that enjoy have a good one i'll be over here watching a sport that's better i'll be watching basketball because at least that's a ball in a hoop still there's not like uh so what i watch on tv there's yeah there's not like a bumper around the hoop that like knocks it in if it you know like a bowling bumper in the right fucking gutters so anyway he loses again so he's tied for 17th again in atlanta but still he's been to the Olympics twice, which means he's ready finally at 29 years old to start his pro career. Which is, I mean, it's one thing that he's mature, and he's physically mature and everything like that. And he's had a fuckload of amateur fights.

I don't know how many, but a shitload, I would imagine, if he was doing it for basically 10 years. He's got to have a ton of amateur fights under don't know how many but a shitload i would imagine if he was doing it for basically 10 years he's got to have a ton of amateur fights under his belt so uh january 31st 97 at the yonkers raceway yonkers new york because he comes to the united states to pursue his dream of becoming a professional boxer yonkers speedway like raceway between in between like drag race events they have events at these places yeah you got it's wild what do you do i don't know if there's like an inside pavilion or if they just put like a like an umbrella over the whole of the ringer set a ring in the pits i mean maybe there's they have they have stands so yeah why not they used to have it's the same thing i guess

is having it in a ballpark back in the day like they always used to have you just kind of set a ring in the middle of on on second base and everybody watches. There's already seats here. We don't have to fuck with anything. I think that's basically what it is. It's a way for a raceway to make a few extra bucks here and there. Hilarious.

So, yeah, he moves to the United States to, I don't know what the professional boxing circuit in Egypt is like, but probably, I don't know how promising it is, put it that way. I'm sure it's better here. He comes here and he fights jamel berveen in his first fight and uh this is the first fight for both competitors but this is the difference is this is jamel berveen's only fight so uh oh yeah kabari knocks

the ambition out of him apparently he not only knocked him out he knocked the ambition floated away from his body toward the ceiling and he got up and went oh never mind right way to put it no what was i thinking uh you know what actually my cousin said he could get me a job with the sanitation company i think i'm gonna try that out because this is that guy knocked the ambition right out of me so uh not that you don't have to be ambitious for sanitation but uh for boxing you do so absolutely you have you need an ambition for boxing it's not just like well this is a it's not just a job boxing you know well it's benefits no people are punching you in the face that shit's dangerous you got to be into it sanitation uh required required skills are can you wear this

vest yeah and can you do this job efficiently it's not can you do it ambitiously please garbage men save your tweets i swear to god we get it it sucks it's a shit job and it is a shit job but it's a good job you just can support your family and you get paid well so good for you yeah there's nothing wrong you don't have to have ambition no i you did leave the house and you got that job. Good for you. I'm happy for you. You show up every day. That takes a lot of ambition.

We're just saying boxing to get up and say, I want to go get punched in the face again today. It's a different kind of ambition. They're not the same type. One, they should be spelled differently because they're different words. So March 30th, 1997, he is at Mohegan sun casino which is oh not a bad venue that's he has arrived that's not bad here he's probably better he's fucking almost 30 years old he better show up soon he fights kevin fulton who comes into the fight at one and three and this is his last fight so uh you can imagine he's not going out on a high note.

So it's going to end up bad here. This is a first round knockout for Kabari. And he is two and oh. So that brings him to the next month. He's not fighting like every week or anything, though, like a lot of people do when they start. April 29th, 97. He's in Philadelphia fighting Andre Waddellell who this is his first and only fight again so this is again a first round knockout three and oh for kabari so he's fought three

fights and ended three careers incredible i mean careers is in quotes obviously there's not really a a career if you fight one fight and lose and then quit. The Egyptian ambition evaporation magician. The Egyptian magician. He makes your career disappear. Yeah. Poof. It's gone. Look at that.

He did it. Ambition evaporation. The ambition evaporator. The Egyptian magician. The ambition evaporator. Kibari Salam! That's terrific. He could have hired us.

We'd have thought on it a little harder. Oh, man, I'm telling you. Yes, you can use it as one nickname, but we have more for you. More. Remember when Tyson used to come to the the ring they had like nine nicknames yeah that's a lot listen that the dynamite this and the fucking this and that it's like anybody that saw him fight said man you're like this and he's like i'll use that tip i'll use that tip just add it on the guy with the cards like more fuck i'm running out of room over here like iron yeah

there's a i got a three by five. It's like a bigger index card. You got like a four by eight I can use or something, because this is just not big enough to hold this man's nicknames. No, I can't remember them all. It's too many. Christ, what am I, his mother? No.

So good, though. So June 15th, 1997, again, a month and a half later, giving himself some time. He's at the Foxwoods Casino in Connecticut. Very nice place. He is fighting Derek Double Impact Whitley. Okay. I don't know if he punches you twice or if one punch has the impact of two.

I'm not sure what that's implying. But either way, it's dangerous. He's basically just calling himself, I'm the same as every other boxer. Two hands. Two hands. Derek Two Hands Whitley. That's me. way basically just calling himself i'm the same as every other boxer two hands two hands derrick two hands whitley that's me derrick makes a fist whitley he's uh he's four and six coming in and he continues that pattern throughout his career ending his career at 24 and 25 eventually so i mean that's a almost a 500 career so It's not great. That's all that is.

That guy, he's working for the sanitation department during the day. For sure. He gets up at like 4 a.m. to do his road work, and then he goes and gets in the garbage truck, I feel like. Or he gets it all in in the same day, and he just lets somebody else drive while he picks up the cans and jogs behind it. Either way, he's fighting a lot of $500 fights here that are not going to pay the bills so

this fight goes all four rounds it's only a four rounder and it's a unanimous decision win for Kabari so that makes him 4-0 July 13th 97 a month later he's back at the Yonkers Raceway again I don't know if he is a step down or what

but he fights richard the alien grant his nickname is the alien wait i know who that guy is you know who he is he's he's got three in one career coming he's three and one coming in he finishes his career 1915 and one so he's not unless there's more alien didn't we cover him didn't he punch a guy or did he get punched in the mouth? I don't remember. Is that, are you thinking of him an MMA guy maybe? No. I don't remember.

This guy kind of looks like Predator a little bit. I think that's what he's calling himself that. I think that's the guy that danked the bare-fisted punch after a fight. It wasn't? Oh, Butler, the one Butler hit? Yes butler it was james butler that hit richard grant absolutely right that's right that's hilarious that you remembered that but not the guys who we did an hour and a half on we we spoke his name for a second over the course of a two-hour podcast and that's what you remember you know what that's good though because you filled in the information we needed so actually you know what

fuck it that was perfect good job jimmy i saw the fight i saw the video and so he has like blonde hair and his face is he does look like the predator but he got he got blasted i've never seen anything like that that's why i remember it if've not heard it, go back and listen to the James Butler episode. It's in the first 75 episodes or so. It's early. But it was when we were, I think we were in a studio already. I believe so. Somewhere after episode 47, but before episode 80.

So somewhere in there. But he ended up, Butler sucker punched this guy after he didn't like a decision in the ring and had his gloves off and everything and just sucker punched this just drilled him i mean absolutely drilled him for no reason hurt him broke his jaw yeah fucked him up i mean it's a bare-fisted punch that was not expecting arrest that man it was ridiculous he yes and butler ended up killing max Kellerman's brother. So that's the episode anyway. But listen to that.

Bananas. So Richard, the alien Grant, this is a he's had quite a bit of experience, I guess, with bad shit. So here he loses to Kabari Salem and Kabari beats him by TKO. He's five and oh, Kabari is now he's earning a reputation. Kabari, too, at this point um he's got a bit of a reputation as a good fighter and a tough fighter because he's an older guy uh but the problem also he's known as a just an absolute headbutter to the end really everybody that fights and complains that he just headbutts the he Evander Holyfield you to death and if you listen to Evander Holyfield speak

nowadays that's that's why it's not even it's not the punches he took it's the fucking 150 head butts he delivered over the course of a fucking fight for that many fights I believe that fucked him up or at least I would hope so I would hope

just fair boxing didn't do it to him. I hope his cheating ended up making his brain into pudding. That's what I'm. It makes sense. That's the area of the brain that you need, the side and the front. That's where you need for your motor skills and to function during the day. Well, all the offensive and defensive linemen from the past that have had. And obviously, I'm not a neurologist, clearly, and neither is Jimmy, right?

Jimmy, you don't have a background in neurology, do you? No, and if I did, I forgot it all. Good. Maybe he did. It's possible. He'll remember one detail about it, but not anything else. Oh, I didn't remember I did that, but I did remember that the brain synapses fire. You know, you'd have some weird fact.

That's right. I went to Brown. I don't even remember what the hell we were talking about what were we talking about holyfield stupid brain all the old football players it's the it's because the old style offensive defensive line they would immediately butt the front of their heads together that's on every single play and they always said that was the impact on the front of the head that did that all the time and i feel like him constantly bashing his forehead into people can't be good for you. It really can't.

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ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. People get angry at him for it. There's fights later where he loses points for it. He just doesn't stop. It's just his style. Just one of those things. So anyway, he beats Grant by TKO. He's 5-0 now. August 29th, 97.

Spacing him out nice. This is at City Center in Saratoga Springs. He fights Eric Harding, whose nickname is Magic 2000. Now, who's going to be more magic is the question. You're fighting the Egyptian magician and you're Magic 2000. I want to see something happen. It's a real Copperfield versus Blaine right here. Who's going to disappear?

Somebody better make the other guy's cut man disappear. That's what I want to see. Poof. What happened to Johnny? Where's Johnny? I want to see somebody get tossed into the ropes, and then they're magically tied up by the ropes. Or they're tied up in the ropes,

and then they're not magically. Something like that. Or I want to see them stop in the middle of the ring and make a weird face and then spin around really fast but stop in front of you and try to hit you. And then spin around really fast again and come around and hit you. Just one punch, one punch, one punch, one punch. But if you block it like five times, then he'll just stand there going, I don't know what's going on. All day. And then he could just knock him out.

One shot will put him down because he's so confused by what happened. That's what I want to see. And he's probably dizzy because he just went around the ring so many times. That's what I mean. I don't know what happened. So Eric Harding, though, is no joke, magic man here. He's got a magically delicious 9-0 record coming in. 9-0-1.

One draw here. In his career, he'll end up 23 four and one so that's a that's very good that's formidable yeah if i if i had a pro boxing record of 23 four and one you'd know about it every episode every episode i'd be like well when i was winning 23 professional fights in comparison to losing only four i saw it this way every time when i won five to every one loss this is what was happening actually a little more than that almost six to one if i'm being honest it was like 5.8 to one it's pretty good anyway when i was having that professionally also by the way they mentioned that uh you'd never hear every time jimmy'd be like i get it you boxed jesus you're the only person

that knows this james shut the fuck up but this is like i played i played in the majors for eight years and i had a 280 average i'd tell you that all the time 280 in the majors boy you don't even know if i hit 225 i'd tell you every day every day you go you know how fucking hard it was so this this is a six round fight here it goes all six rounds so magic on magic nobody can move irresistible force meets the immovable objects it's like the end of a movie it's got to be close everybody's got a superpower you got to use your power against each other that's what i'm saying that's what they were doing it was the invisible force meets the fucking magical object here and uh kabari loses this fight by unanimous decision so uh he is five and one now so uh you know still i mean he fought he lost against a tough opponent

so what do you want? So his next fight, he is obviously going to find a tomato can that he can beat the living shit out of. And he does a good job with this. January 24th, 98. So he takes about three months off also, almost four months off. And this is at the Elks Lodge in Queens. Oh, no.

Which is a step down from the Foxwoods. Let me tell you. A little bit. The Elks Lodge. Yeah. It's like 11 steps. Oh, no. Which is a step down from the Foxwoods, let me tell you. A little bit. A? Yeah. It's like 11 steps. It's the step down. It's a jump down.

It's a long way. Yeah. It's a jump. He repelled down that. I'll catch you. Yeah. Just, I'll catch you. Just let go.

Kick off the wall on your way down i recently saw footage of the berlin wall it's like right when it came down like recently you know like right when it all happened and people were like the wall was like fucking like nine feet tall it wasn't a tall wall it was the fact that it was guarded was the problem so there was all these people on top and they were just like you know like dancing on top for a second then they were like all right i guess it's not my turn anymore because there was no instagram in 1990 or whatever so just had to live in the moment there that's i mean there wasn't people posing for selfies up there for four hours they literally were like yay this is amazing oh my god i'll never forget this my entire life and then they move on for someone else to do it and

that was that so they're not that that's better or worse but you see people once they're done it's i feel like those people it felt better to them rather than if it's just some picture they'll never look at again you ever seen somebody on the beach just taking up all the beach property to do their perfect instagram picture and then take after take i almost want to grab their phone and just chuck it in the fucking ocean why are you here yes why you don't even like this you don't like this you just want people to go oh look at After a take, I almost want to grab their phone and just chuck it in the fucking ocean. Why are you here? Yes. Why? You don't even like this. You don't like this.

You just want people to go, oh, look at you. You're living your best life. Well, yeah. It's great. I always wanted to be a fucking self-photographer. That's my best life. That's what I wanted to be. Couldn't wait.

I want to take a picture of the sun with my back in it. Yeah. Stop. Stop taking pictures so much. And we're all guilty of it. We all take it. We're all on social media and take it i'm not 80 years old i'm not you know sitting out here what are you taking pictures of yourself for you got one take that's what i'm saying one take if it turns out great we'll post it if not fuck it we move along and that's the other thing we've always taken pictures so it's not like in my day we didn't take pictures everybody

used to have cameras and shit we all took pictures everybody said i hate when old people say that they're like why we didn't take any pictures yeah you did because there's pictures of you back then and pictures of your kids because you fucking took pictures you just had to you just film cost money so you had to decide a little more you know you had to have a little more be a little more choosy yeah yeah you had to be a little more fucking picky about what pictures you were going to take. It couldn't just be anything because it's just all unlimited digital cloud storage. You had to be like 24 pictures cost $4.69. So do something.

And then another couple bucks to fucking develop it. And I got to get that big flash thing that plugs into the top of the camera. So do something interesting, kids. You know, like. I only got 24 of these yeah and this flash burns out too i don't know how many are left in it yeah but yeah that's i don't even know i can't i think there's four but it could be two i can't tell if these two are burned out i don't even know and of course they're like oh these kids are self-centered now these 17 year old kids are self-centered what the fuck do you expect you've been paparazzi-ing these children since their birth.

Of course they feel over-important. How would they not? How would you feel as someone who's older, who didn't grow up in that era, if everything you did was fucking cataloged by photographs? You would feel like, I must be important. There's always people photographing me. Everything I do, I'm eating, and and people are like this is so interesting how the fuck wouldn't you think that you're the center of the universe if that's how you grew up i'm sorry but that's that's the fucking problem that's why i hate me there are 11 pictures of me prior to a cell phone being

invented yes exactly there's a few pictures floating around like i think your grandma has a picture of you when you went on the thing on the pony or some shit that's that's what you have yeah this is floating it's not you people have whole roles i took you know i took i had to take 46 fucking pictures of my kid eating to get one that i wanted to post on instagram and it's like oh my god of course the kid's gonna grow up with constantly no no like that no put it in your mouth what do you want from this fucking kid every kid's gonna have the weird fucked up broken ego of a child actor that's what you're that's what you're creating all of us we're all doing it soon as they get their job at subway and the franchise owner who's a piece of shit just had

40 grand to spend and bought a franchise and tells your kid he's a turd and can't make a sandwich for shit and fires him. But why? My mom takes all the pictures of me. I should have had my mom taking pictures of me making sandwiches. Otherwise it doesn't exist. And that's the thing

and people wonder why they get to adulthood and then no one's taking pictures anymore and then they're fucking sad and it's like yes obviously because life is completely different you had the life of a fucking child actor who then failed you have the life you know what i mean like you have the life of the blonde kid on home improvement that's your life that's your life that's your life that's your life that's that's i think he tours and does stand up now they all took pictures of him and now he's does he really jesus christ i think so of course he does but what i'm saying is that dude disappeared for

a while you didn't see him for a long fucking time for that reason because he got older and people stopped taking pictures of him anyway so that's a sidetrack that probably didn't need to be gone but it wasn't cute anymore yeah like i don't know he's kind of he's more threatening now than anything i feel like i don't know what's his name ty or zach or you know jonathan thomas tolston no the other one the blonde one torsten torsten i don't know. Listen, Torsten, we've got to sit you down, Torsten. At this point, we feel like the tattoo on the neck made you less of a, less of more like a 12-year-old. We're not feeling that vibe anymore.

Less approachable. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. You look more like, you know, prison-level Aryan Brotherhood member, that sort of thing. And that's not what we're going for in a family sitcom. So, anyway, I don't even think we talked about Malcolm Brooks yet. We didn't.

The Elks Lodge in Queens. Sorry. You know what? I don't fucking care. This is for us and this is for the listeners. Crime and Swap. I'm done trying to get new listeners for Crime and Sports. I'm finished.

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This is for listeners. That's what we're this. We, we do this shit for listeners. We do it for you. Blunt heads, fly ladies and prisoners. As Nas said,

that's what we're doing. Fuck everybody else. fuck it if you're listening right now you're one of those four groups so enjoy listeners fly ladies and prisoners yeah four groups the four groups if you don't fall into the latter three then you're just then you're a listener so you're listening you're in that group latter three, then you're a listener. So you're listening. You're in that group. It's fine. But you're definitely, that encompasses everybody. So tweet at us and tell us which one you are. There you go. Please, at Crime and Sports.

Perhaps you're a lingerie ripper. Yeah, that's fine. Quicker brain getter. One of those. Something. Stick to the four of the beginning. Otherwise, it's too long of a ball. It's going to get too much. Listeners, blunt heads, fly ladies, and prisoners. Let's stick to the four of the beginning otherwise it's too long of a ball it's gonna get too much

listeners blunt heads fly ladies and prisoners let's stick to that i mean we could add in hennessy holders and old but then they're oh god then there's the n word comes up and it's bad in the lyrics so you can't do well the lyric doesn't end there but we're gonna stick to the four so malcolm brooks i don't know which category he falls into but uh he's four and seven coming in and his final career output is four and 14. So he just never wins another fight. He loses the last eight fights of his career. This guy, that is rough.

And this is one of them. This is a TKO in round one. So this is what Kabari needed to get back on his feet here. He's six and one now. Next one here. He's at the music Fair in Westbury. I think it's Westbury, New York. March 27, 1998.

So he's at some... This is outside, I'm going to assume. I'm going to assume he's fighting outdoors at this point. John James he fights, who's 4-1 coming in, and retires after he's 5-3-1. Just, I don't know. Just wasn't feeling it i don't started a landscaping business and gave up or some shit just didn't not as fun as i

thought it would be you know what i'm in the paint houses i'm not i'm not into this is that is that sanitation department job still open because i'll take it uh your uncle got you a job as a longshoreman you're in a box the rest of your life? No, you're right. What, are you in a fucking box? You know what? There's a pension over there. This ain't going no way. You're right. Yeah. I'm taking the pension. TK, it's a union job, John.

Come on. You know what your uncle had to go through for this? Come on. You know what he had to go through? I had to pull strings. No, I told you. Paul had his son. He was trying to get him in there.

I said, get the fuck out of here. I'm bringing this guy in. You don't fucking appreciate nothing. Come on, John. These kids don't appreciate nothing. John, you're a fucking bum. I'm telling you, you don't appreciate it. That's the problem with everybody. Nobody appreciates none. So he's

four and one, whatever. TKO in round five for Kabari. Seven and one he's up to. July 26, 98, he's back at the Foxwoods. So here we go. He worked his way back to theuly 26 98 he's back at the foxwoods so here we go he worked his way back to the casino and uh he fights jamie dynamite velasquez so uh dynamite very common nickname too common very too common now dynamite is 11 and 2 coming in which is okay i mean it's i don't know if it's dynamite but it's it's decent a you know, it's something kind of might kind of might. He finishes his career though. 11, seven and two does a Velasquez. So he never wins another fight after this. And this is a, no, not a mite. No, none might, uh, uh, Dinah, none. He, uh, TKO in round one. So i don't know if this just screwed up velasquez forever

and he couldn't get it out of his head fascinating because after this it's four more losses and two draws is the rest of his career so he just a lot of guys that happens man first first round they get knocked out in the first round at one point their psych their psyche is just fucked forever and they can't fight the same again transfer Transfer that into just a normal day job. If you have seven really awful days in a row, you might quit too. It's true. Yeah, absolutely. Especially if at the end of those days you're unconscious, that would also be a problem.

I've been in the hospital seven times in a row in this job. Seven straight days. Maybe I should quit. I've been unconscious every day. The only thing that each of those days have in common is i showed up to work that's it and by the end of it i didn't remember my kids names that's the that's what they had in common those two things so the end of the day i'm in a cat scan machine so i think i'm done that's it though it's the psyche man your psyche gets fucked in If you hesitate, you have to go out there. I mean, obviously, there's the strategy of, you know, you can't be wild when you're boxing. You have to be very under control.

It'll knock me out. But you can't have fear of it. You have to still operate. You can't hesitate. You can't hesitate that half a millisecond before you punch because you're worried that you're going to open up and have him punch you. That's how you don't win fights. You have to be all reactionary. And you get knocked out in the first round.

It takes that away from a lot of guys. A lot of guys ruin their careers. He's 8-1 now is Kabari. November 25th 1998 this is at roads on the pawtucket in cranston i believe massachusetts i want to say uh versus derrick whitley again so it's double impact because he fights everybody twice maybe that's why it's double impact he's like randy quaid and kingpin he's like we do everything twice again as hard as you half again as hard as you 10 10 frames that's for quakers that's one fight oh no that's for quakers he's like we fight twice every time

why were his nipples wet when he came out of the fridge i don't know why they're wet they're i get they're frozen the point is that they keep the freezer at such a low temperature specifically to harden claudia's nipples so she can distract bowlers who are in big money games this is a very elaborate plan also big money game it's a thousand dollars a game it's not even that crazy the guy lives in a fucking mansion that's what i don't understand he lives in a mansion and has like he has a bowling alley in his basement period that's and a maserati and a porsche underneath the veranda in front of the house forget about it this is like yeah he's like a scarface kind of kingpin here and he's like thousand dollars a game a thousand000 means nothing to this man.

What are we talking about? And you're going to kick my ass over that grand, you cheap fuck? Was it you befouled the sanctity of my home or whatever the fuck he said by betting with money you don't even have? Disrespect the valor of the game? I don't remember. It was some moral argument. the valor of the game or whatever i don't remember what it was some moral argument his home the game he we shit on everything yeah a thousand dollars he basically just beat the shit out of his girlfriend audibly in another room so everyone could hear it and then he's got a moral issue with whatever bowling thing these guys are doing this is a very

grand it's a very over a thousand dollars it's a very strange he's got a weird morality it's gonna cost you more than a thousand dollars for the hospital bill that you just incurred on your fucking girlfriend yeah he's you're beating what are you doing or if she calls the cops and the goddamn lawyer bills it's gonna cost you too don't hit people what the hell is wrong with you a grand for me that's the problem that was an odd part of the movie that guy was a very weird character over the top and just what who are they why why are they cast that's the worst actor i've ever seen in my life he's in all the farrelly brothers movies he's a friend of theirs is he he's in okay watch um i'm trying to think of what he was and other things he's in every farrelly brothers movie they have a they have a crew of like people from rhode island or whatever from where they're from that are their buddies that they give roles and

everything even uh i'm saying less than even uh um fuck um i don't know god damn it the big giant one they had the biggest fucking one they had something about mary there you go i'm like cameron diaz with jesus in her hair just something about mary he's he's in that this guy is he really all the movies yeah he's they always have they always have a crew of guys right from what was it outside providence on three yeah it's it's very new england centered because uh theup guy, God, the guy from when stand-up stood out. We are having a bad time here. God damn it.

We are really not in a relationship. And I'm the only one who took edibles. That's the thing, Jimmy. How do I not know this guy's name, and I do stand-up, but I know who the alien is? Neither of us know. Neither of us know this stand-up. Well, we both do stand-up, and we have a show about sports,

and neither of us can pull either of these people out of our asses. I can't remember his goddamn name. He's from Boston, very Boston-centered. He did the whole- Larry- What is it? Lenny.

Lenny Clark. Yes. So Lenny Clark is in those movies as well, and they love Lenny. Yeah, yeah. They put him up a lot, too. Yeah, if you're from New England, yeah. That makes sense. So anyway, he beats him up a lot, too. Yeah. If you're from New England. Yeah. That makes sense.

So anyway, he beats Derek Whitley again. So yes, double impact means two losses to everybody. Wow. Double impact goes all six rounds, though. It's a unanimous decision win. So nine and one for Kabari. Next time, February 26, 99. He's back at the Foxwoods, and he's fighting Joseph Larea, who is 14-0 coming in, which is pretty fucking impressive.

That's not bad. But he finishes his career 18-2, and this one goes all 10 rounds. This is a 10-rounder here. I think it's Kabari's first 10-round fight. The last one was only six. And it's a unanimous decision win for kabari so he hands wow this guy his first loss and yeah he brings himself to 10 and one so uh not too shabby his that's what i mean he's really tough kabari's no pushover like that's one thing about this guy in the ring like he's i was watching his fights

and he's one of those guys that he there's a lot of fighters that are going to say if you ask them who was your toughest fight they're going to say kabari like there's a lot of guys out there like that because he's uh he's very experienced he's very mature he grinds into you he ped butts you he knows how to take a little cheap shot here and knows how to absorb something he's got the kind of veteran pain in the assness to him so uh april 9th 99 he is fighting at the foxwoods again fighting steve detar detar i don't know eight and six eight and six coming in so who cares it's only a six round fight and it's a unanimous decision win again for Kabari. Once he moves up into the light heavyweight, the knockout power is gone for him.

He's not knocking guys out in the first anymore. You're seeing all sorts of just unanimous decision wins. Is it strategy, or is it just he's not ready for this yet? He has the punching power. Yeah. He has the punching power to knock out guys that are this weight but not this weight. That happens a lot to people when they move up in weight. You see it a lot with the lighter weights. You'll see a guy who's fighting at 130 who can actually knock somebody out, knock a couple people out. And then by the time he's fighting 147 five years later, he's all points.

That's all he can do. So this next fight here, anyway, he won that fight. He's 11 and one. The next fight is September 12th, 1999. This is at Harris Casino. Oh, yeah. Kansas City. No, no.

I really sold that. Jimmy's like, yeah. He's like, we're driving on it. And then it's like yeah he's like we were he's vibing on it and then it's like oh that's different that is different

um yeah not Vegas not even Atlantic City for fuck's sake but Kansas City I think I'd rather fight at the MGM

in Detroit yeah fuck yeah yeah yeah I like Harris in Kansas City that's not good

I like Detroit and Kansas City's one of those places it's not good i like detroit and kansas city is one of those places it's super tough because like we do a show there and the fucking crowd is great and all the people are really nice and awesome that place sucks otherwise like it's it's like they oh i it's i don't even know it's like a field the whole place feels like a giant field that they were like we'll just build some houses here. It's so fucking weird, that place. It's a strange, strange place.

There's a river right there. We'll put a big bridge on it. At night, you'll be able to see cars going into downtown. Cool, right? They'll be like 12, but it'll be great. Yeah, you'll see them. It's going to be awesome. Still way better than Omaha, though.

I mean, it's Omaha. Still way better than Omaha, though. I mean, Omaha makes Kansas City look like just a springtime Parisian stroll. That's what it looks like. It's fucking ridiculous. So, Harrah's in Kansas City. He fights Randy, the natural carver. So, he's the carver here, the natural.

Now, Randy is 23-0-1 coming into this fight. So Randy, he ain't to be trifled with is what it seems like to me. That's a bad man, 23-0-1. It takes a lot to get there. And he is a former Golden Gloves champion. He was also the North American Federation, so the NABF super middleweight champion as well. And he is 23-0-1 coming in. So this fight, this is a war, this fight. It's a real fight.

Apparently, Salem was over and beyond with the headbutts in this fight. He was just headbutting the shit out of people, out of Carver, not anybody else. Like he went to ringside. Jesus, James, what'd he do? Jumped out of the ring, just started blasting people. Wait till you hear another time. He actually did headbutt someone who wasn't the fucking other fighter, which is amazing. But that would be awesome.

He just jumped out of the ring, started headbutting spectators in the front row. Blasting the whole front row. Some guy in a suit with a scotch and soda in his hand just fucking headbutt right to the bridge of the nose. Pow. This is supposed to be a gentleman's sport, sir. That's it. Pow.

Sucker. Grab his blonde wife. Pow. One for her, too. Just going nuts. People are like, what the fuck, man? Lost his shit. So but in the early round.

So apparently this was just a headbutt festival. Carver ends up getting knocked down in the 10th round after an overhand right. So an overhand right from Salem knocks him to the ground in the 10th. He tries to get up to his feet. Carver does. You can tell he's trying to get up. He tries to get up to his feet carver does you can tell he's trying to get up he tries to get up to his feet four separate times oh gets up falls down gets up falls down like can't get up can't get up all the way to his feet you know what i mean like you'll get like

part of the way up bam down again so four different times before the ref finally waves it off and says like yeah i don't i don't think he's getting up and he's going to be okay to finish the match, probably. Even if he did get up after four attempts like that, you can't let that guy. No, that's over at that point. You're going to get that man murdered tonight. Yeah, well, he tries to get up after four times. And then after the fourth time, he just loses consciousness and falls down. And he's out cold after that.

So he can't. He's out at that point uh he's still out um they take him to the hospital because he's unconscious he remains unconscious and uh he undergoes emergency brain surgery oh my god that night and um he remains in the hospital for two more days and then finally two days later at 10 30 a.m he's removed from life support systems and dies he died at 25 years old wow yeah so i guess i guess 23 and one for carver but still that's obviously beside the point but just to keep it you know that's all i gotta keep my stats going but would you feel oh would you feel on top of the world being that you're strong enough to kill somebody or would you feel like just a piece of shit um i i don't know if you can feel either way i don't know if you can feel either way i feel like if you're a boxer you have to have kind of a it's all in the game mentality.

Otherwise, you'll lose that killer instinct. Bruce Willis in Pulp Fiction. He knew the risks when he stepped in the ring kind of thing. You have to. Otherwise, you'll that's like if you accidentally bean somebody in baseball and hurt them. Well, you can't worry about that. You got to throw the ball just as hard just on the inside of the plate on the next pitch. It doesn't fucking matter.

You have to. So, I mean, you can't really do that but as a human being you obviously i would hope would feel fucking terrible that you've you know you've killed a 25 year old man even though it's obviously he didn't like pick up a chair and hit him and then he died he did it within the rules of boxing except for the fact that people around boxing start saying that all of these early round head butts contributed to this possibly because it was more abuse. So that's that's what starts coming out. They start doing all of that. singer calls for a videotape review and investigation of the match following reports that carver was dehydrated before going into the ring because he was he forced himself to lose 11

pounds the week prior to each to reach the weight limit 11 pounds in a week that is not abnormal that's very normal man is it Is it? That's absolutely normal. I mean, it's better. When you see a fight like that, you usually, you know, the guy who's fighting closer to his weight is obviously to his walking around weight. Yeah, a lot of guys, if you fight at 147, your walking around weight is 155. That's how you're walking around. And then you're cutting eight pounds of liquids,

and then you're rehydrating again after the weigh-in and getting back up when you when you end up coming into the fight you're 153 probably so that's what ends up happening two guys at 147 during the fight they're 153 and 152 you know it's it's stupid to drop 11 though seems it's not good for you you know that's dangerous, man. To drop 11 and then fight for 10 rounds, that's not good. I mean, to drop 11 and then sit on the couch, maybe, but not to then go out there and fight and sweat and get beat and all that sort of shit. So that was one of the things. They talk about all of this, and the referee, though, Ross Strata, he said he disputed the number of headbutts that people say should have prompted him.

Because a lot of the Carver people are saying that the referee should have stopped the fight in the middle of the fight and disqualified Salem or started taking points away from him or something because he was headbutting constantly and should have never got to this. At least try to mitigate a head injury that he's incurring at the moment. Yeah. I mean, from breaking the rules. And that's the thing. And he ended up, and the thing is he never was,

he never was penalized for headbutting. He was penalized twice in the early rounds, Salem was, but not for headbutting. That's the thing. For other shit he was doing so whatever everything he does is dirty maybe a rabbit punch who knows i mean all of his shit's dirty but that that's not what the he was getting that for and now strata the referee said quote quote it was a hard fight to referee but if there was something excessive i would have stopped it that's when you get a veteran in there who knows what he's doing that is very hard to fight because they're like it's almost like a wrestling match

where obviously the referee in a wrestling match is in on it but you know the guy is like pull something out of his trunks and he's hiding it away from the referee while the referee is doing that that's what happens in a boxing match they know how to position themselves to get away from the referee's sight line to give you a fucking shot, to hit you in the kidney. It's just a thing that happens. To let Paul Bearer hit somebody with a mic stand. Yes. To hit him with the urn, you have to set the guy up properly.

Right. Otherwise, the ashes will fly out everywhere, and then you've lost your power source. Then what happens? And the ref will see that for sure. Oh, forget about it. He's going to see the cloud of dust flying. Like Mr. Fuji back in the day, or anybody that would throw the salt back in the day. I remember seeing like old, he wasn't wrestling when I was a kid,

but when he was a manager even, he'd throw the salt sometimes, Fuji, and it would be a giant cloud and the ref would turn around and everything would be fine. They did the same thing with Yokozuna. Giant cloud in the air of dust and the ref refs just went, one, two, three. Where'd that come from? Is there a biological fucking attack? Is the building under an anthrax attack at the moment?

What's going on in the ring? There's not even a thought. Was a dirty bomb just landed in the ring of the WWF match? I feel like it has been. Because the one guy's just on the ground holding his eyes going, ah, and then the other guy's pinning him like nothing happened. Well, a guy in the corner just laughs and laughs and laughs. Yeah, with his hand covered in salt and flour.

Unless that man's eyes spontaneously combust into dust, something just happened. Into dust. Poof. So, anyway, the ref said, though, he would have stopped it. And Carver here was apparently, he was a big-time hero in Kansas City. That was his area. So this happened in front of his home crowd. His family was there.

His friends were there. Also people, children who he was coaching because he spent his time, spent his off time coaching children in boxing and teaching boxing to children. Could a nicer man have died? Seems like a nice guy so far. I didn't look him up if he's also been arrested for like rape four times or anything. But yeah, from what everybody says, yeah, from what everybody says, he was like a hero in Kansas City. Seriously, like he seems like everybody liked this dude. And he was a real well-respected guy who, you know, gave back to the community and shit.

So he was regarded as a local hero. Like I said, spent time teaching boxing. He ordered his manager to buy a ringside table for this fight. So some of the children he coached could come watch the bout. Yikes. Out of his own purse. Oh, my God. Yeah, they got to watch him beaten to death.

Buy a table for these children to watch the worst thing that they're ever going to see. To watch their hero be beaten to death before their very eyes. To watch me become Apollo Creed. Really get them close, though. If I want my sweat to land on them, they can keep that as a souvenir of their dead mentor. I remember as a child sitting in the theater, I thought, you know, if only Apollo managed me

and taught me how to box, this could be a really poignant moment. No, never thought about that. It could change the world. It really could be. really poignant moment. No, never thought about that. It could change the world. It really could be. Oh, my God. So, anyway, that's what happened, and that's so sad.

His aunt, Carver's aunt, Sharon White, she said that also, because he was such a generous guy, his organs were donated as well because he's so goddamn generous. He was amazing. He was an organ donor also. What a smart man. Also an organ donor, yeah. Please, don't give anybody the brain, but everything else. James, is there another Carver? Is there a...

There's a bunch of Carvers. There's a lot of Carvers, yeah. Carver's a common fighter name. Yeah, no, this Randy Carver, I mean, this happened in 99 and it was kind of a big deal, so you might have heard of it at the time, honestly. I may have.

For a while, this was like they'd kind of evoke his name when they would discuss stopping fights on time and not letting them go too far. You don't want to end up with another Randy Carver situation here. There's a James Carver, isn't there? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That's who I'm thinking of. Yeah.

So, yeah, this is this is fucking sad stuff though he's um i don't even know what to say about that that's just awful and he's to have the kids there and his mom there and all of this awful shit it's just like good worst case scenario yeah yeah it's fucking horrible and um his his aunt said quote he was a very nice boy a good family man we're stunned but this gives us some closure um having a funeral uh gave him some closure so he had a uh he had a he had they buried him and um yeah that's that for randy carver that is an awful i don't know how you'd be the same as a boxer if that happened to you. I wouldn't be the same as a parent.

No. I meant if you're just the guy who killed a guy. I don't know. Yeah, if you're Salem. Right. I don't think you could be exactly the same dude anymore. I really don't. Yeah.

I don't know if I couldn't anyway. Probably. I'd be like, I don't want to kill this guy or nothing. You'd have to just resign it as a freak accident or it makes you over or it makes you fearsome with your overhand right you know what i mean yeah but i mean you would you would you subconsciously pull it a little you know what i mean no choice pull it a little bit i don't want to kill this guy you can't do that in boxing because you'll get killed at that point you'll get beat then unless you've got the old butch mentality of he knew the risks when he stepped in the ring. I don't feel nothing. I guess so, man. So anyway, February 16th, 2000.

So very shortly after that, a lawsuit is filed against the casino by the mother of Randy Carver. They're suing, I believe, both. Let's see. The suit's filed by her, and it names Harrah's North Kansas City Casino, Promoter America Presents, Referee Ross Strada, Ringside Physician Michael Papa, and Carver's trainer manager George Smith for not throwing in the towel. So basically all the people who had the power to stop the fight. The wait is over.

So far you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience quickly i see that the queen of the courtroom is back i didn't do anything you wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face i see he's not intimidated by anything i can fix that new cases she wanted to fight me. Leave her alone. Okay, so, um... This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy.

Did you sleep with her? Yes, Your Honor. You married his cousin. His brother. That's not him. Yes, ma'am. I would make a beeline for the door. The Emmy Award-winning series returns. How did I know that? I have a crystaleline for the door. The Emmy Award winning series returns.

How did I know that? I have crystal ball in my head. It's an all new season. It's streaming. You can say anything. Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. The people who hired the people who had the power to stop the fight and the people who had the power to stop the fight are all unbelievable in this whole thing uh they said quote the lawsuit

uh this is one of the family's lawyers tim dollar is his name if you're suing a casino for money um hire tim dollar to get that shit because i'm sorry that's. Couldn't be a better name of a man to fucking sue a casino. Was John Victory not available? John Victory. Tim Dollar. Was Tim Sheckles not available? No. I believe he was going to go by George Superstar,

but they said it was a little on the nose. Dollar. Dollar. Tim Dollar. He said, quote, the lawsuit alleges that each one of these defendants contributed to the death of Randy Carver. To what degree each one contributed will be a matter for the jury. So if the jury, it's kind of like that Marty Genetti case that we talked about where he hurt that guy in the ring. It wasn't his fault.

The guy didn't know how to fucking take a move because they didn't teach him properly. They hired a guy who wasn't qualified to be in the ring, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, the jury ended up deciding this is the award this person gets and this person is this percent responsible. This person is that percent responsible and they divvied up the payments like that. Right. The percentages. So they made WWE the most responsible in that particular case. But in this one, they're up the payments like that. Split the, right, through percentages. So they made WWE the most responsible in that particular case.

But in this one, they're looking for all that. They want it to be split up. I assume you want the casino to be the main person who takes it on the chin because they're the ones who have the money. The deepest pockets, for sure, yeah. The deepest pockets, and they actually have to pay you. They can't just go bankrupt and go away somewhere.

They're the Harris Corporation. Like, they have to pay you. Even if this place doesn't have the money the one in vegas for sure has the money someone in that fucking golden trough has the money is what i'm saying they're gonna pay you for that shit so uh they said that uh among the allegations the lawsuit says that strata failed to stop the fight to protect carver from quote frequent and repeated headbutts so they're going to litigate the headbutts actually and it also accused strata of failing to summon the ringside doctor in a timely manner when he went down at the end that's a fascinating lawsuit that's got set precedent if they if they win it's interesting

um dollar said dollar dollar bill y', quote, we believe that regulations that are enacted to prevent injuries such as these were violated, and the lawsuit alleges this fight should have been stopped. Dollar, dollar, bill, y'all. That's right, motherfucker. Make it rain. That's how he ends every one of his statements, and the reporters are just like, Jesus. He should have got his brother to also go to law school and then find a friend named Bill.

And they could go by dollar, dollar, and bill. Dollar, dollar, and bill. That would be... You hire them. They would be backed up with lawsuits. You fucking hire them when you want to sue a casino. At least just that. So, yeah, he said the fight should have

been stopped uh strata ruled that the headbutts were all accidental headbutts so that's why there was no penalization and it wasn't a uh you know big deal which if a guy headbutts you 50 times it's not an accident anymore you know what i mean it's it's how they fight they they're really good at making it look like an accident they're like a catcher who knows how to take a pitch on the outside corner and move his gloves slightly in and kind of take it and act like you're going with the ball and framing it perfectly when it's not quite there. That's gamesmanship, and that's exactly the same thing that they do in boxing when they're fucking these little headbutts that look accidental.

Oh, that's an accident. And that's a tough lawsuit because then you've got 12 people who now it's their opinion whether or not that's accidental or intentional. And that's the problem also is they're not going to have a jury of 12 boxing experts. No. These are 12 regular people who don't know anything about anything. And that's what happened in all the wrestling lawsuits, too. Every time somebody sues someone in wrestling, pretty much, it ends up being the jury jury or the judge will go we don't understand what the fuck's going on here we don't understand this has literally been judgments where they go we don't understand what part is

real and what part is fake and what part is what and we don't know what's going on so no we're not deciding this next case they've literally done that a million times. That's unbelievable. And boxing's almost the same way. It's so intricate to a layman sitting there. If they go, that's an accidental headbutt, you go, well, the referee obviously knows an accidental headbutt as opposed to an on purpose. I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't even watch boxing. That's what people would say. So according to the rules of the NABF, which was the sanctioning body of this particular fight,

a fighter can lose points for intentional headbutting, obviously, but he must be warned, an official warning, not just a, hey, watch your head, because refs will say shit like that, but an official warning. That's a warning. That's an official warning. They must be officially warned at least twice before he can be disqualified. And Salem was not warned at all. Not once. Yeah.

So there he's saying that he couldn't have been obviously disqualified for a headbutt before he was, you know, warned twice. So they were accused, basically, here. The doctor and the trainer were accused in the lawsuit of failing to stop the fight and for failing to provide medical for providing inadequate medical attention to Randy Carver. The lawsuit also says that the promoters of the fight, Harrah's and America Presents, are, quote, vicariously liable for the negligence of defendant strata and defendant papa the ref and the doctor um so i mean this is a very interesting lawsuit honestly it really is it's a it's a trip to think about it like that this um you don't think about sports and injuries being like like this at all but it's there are people responsible too right and where an injury can change the course of sports forever yeah it happens all the time i mean that's a different equipment comes in when things happen i mean uh you know so every time a race car driver

kills themselves they come up with some fucking some new neck protecting thing to protect them every time you know back in the day and then the older men bitch about it because this restricts my ability to drive and yeah all the and nobody wants change but yeah they're not if they die their family's gonna wish that they would just fucking listen put the fucking the harness thing on or whatever the shit yeah it's true you know baseball they used to wear fucking you know hats at the plate until a bunch of people's brains got scrambled and they went we could probably make a helmet right and just take one of those on and then they got better over time they put an ear

flap on there because guys were getting drilled in the ears and shit and oh man if only i had a helmet piece down there now they've got like a piece on their forearm that wraps around their elbow in case they take a dinger off the elbow because i imagine that could destroy your career fuck yeah that's and then also uh hockey goalies there's a reason why on the goalie mask there's a little piece of plastic dangling a little dangler yeah that's to protect your fucking adam's apple from a direct puck contact because that happened fucking larynx and keep you from exploding your neck. That happened in like 82 or 83, I want to say. The goal, fuck, who was it? Maybe Quebec or somebody.

I don't remember. One of those Canadian fucking teams. But he got hit right in the throat with a fucking puck, dropped to the ground, couldn't fucking breathe. He was blue. He almost died. Wow. I think they had to stick a pen in his throat or something to get air in. It was crazy.

Give him like a tracheotomy out of it. It was crazy. On the ice. On the ice, yeah, because he was dying on the ice. He was fucking kicking around acting. It was fucking nuts. I'm sure. Every little, everything that happens, there's little, they said, oh, what if we put a three cent piece of plastic there? That would protect someone from choking to death.

Think maybe that would help? Sure, why not? Sports and rules and equipment are all created and written in blood. It's all your brothers that died on that field that created that stuff or injured on the field, whatever. It's just blood. That's the reason you wear it. It's kind of every rule in society and life that took place because of an incident. You know what I mean?

It's all written in blood. Yeah. People look back and they go, oh, man, look at like 200 years ago. There was like no rules. You could do anything. That's because shit hadn't happened yet. Right. Every time shit happened, they'd go, oh, well, we can't make them.

People can't be allowed to do that right now. Yeah, absolutely not. That's ridiculous. Yeah, there was no rules, but the gutters were full of blood. So calm down. It was terrible. It's bad stuff. That's ridiculous. Yeah, there was no rules, but the gutters were full of blood, so calm down. Yeah, it was terrible. It was bad stuff. It was bad.

So, yeah, look at it like a tombstone had no rules, and look what happened there. Blood in the streets every day, all day. Yep. So, eventually, this case is decided in favor of the defendants. in favor of the defendants. They completely exonerate the referee and everybody else and even Kabari, Salem, everything for any blame in the death. They say this is any sport where you go in and the goal is to punch and be punched in the head,

this is a possibility of happening. That's a big precedent. Yeah, I mean, they basically said it would have to be intentional it would have to be like yeah it would have to be an intentional thing on sale of salem's part and it would have to be so negligent on the part of the referee that salem would have to be swinging his fucking head back and forth adam like a psychopath and this guy not calling any and and and getting back to like in criminal cases when they when they when they say like you did this what what did you expect was going to happen of

course they're dead like if you nudge somebody in the head or whack them you don't expect them to die no especially in a boxing ring a little headbutt you don't expect them to die considering you just punched him as hard as you could right in the fucking nose 10 seconds before that and he still stood there and looked at you and tried to hit you back as a matter of fact so i whacked him with a three inch head smack that's like i'm not bruce lee with a three inch punch i'm not gonna no it's not gonna do as much damage as as my fucking four foot punch where i drag it back as far as i can put my whole body as fast as i can really put my hip into it, too. I mean, really, really transfer from my leg.

Transfer the torque, you know, really like the scientific really rock it out. How fucking hard can I torque my head with my neck muscles? Yeah, just a little dink. It's those little dinks. But if you dink a guy 40 times around the same spot, he's got a lump on his head now. And he's got a sore spot in his head. And maybe some brain damage, as a matter of fact. For both of these.

For both of these. For the fellas. So they have been exonerated for many blame here. And Kabari doesn't give a fuck. He's fighting again a couple months later. May 25, 2000. He's in Allentown, Pennsylvania. You want to hear the glamorous, glamorous venue for this one?

Yikes. The Days Inn, Jimmy. Get out of here. How do you box at a Days Inn? The Days Inn in the Sunset Room or something? What is that? Maybe they put plywood over the pool and you built a ring around. I have no idea how you would make a days in a palatable place.

Just in the parking lot. Where do people sit? Yeah. I've never been to a days in that has adequate seating for a sporting event. Have you? No. Effort. The nice part, James, is that there's lounge chairs and a waitress that brings you drinks.

I guess so. There's an umbrella. So it's the days in an Allentown, which is where you go if you're like, is he like on the lam? Is this like hiding? Just passing through. He's passing through. He's fighting under an assumed name or some shit. I don't know what's happening here.

So he fights Andre Haddock, who's 14 and 2 coming in. And this ends up being his last fight but he does survive though it's not his last fight because he's dead thankfully yeah that's good it's a tko in the second round so kabari went the opposite way rather than pulling punches this is like he smelled blood in the water after this guy died shark this is the first early knockout he's had in a long fucking time and it's against a guy who's 14 and 2 for christ's sake so good lord i mean he's he's killed then retired his last two opponents it's not bad and and they were between the two of them they've got almost 40 fights yeah they're

not suckers no 40 40 wins between the two of them they were-2-1 coming into the fights with Kabari. And he killed one and retired the other. He should be a contender right now, right? I would think so. I mean, I don't know. So September 23, 2000, he's back at the Days Inn again. They must have a great setup there, man. I'm going back.

He's in their miles, James. It's great you do get the aarp discount for the tickets if you check in your triple a or whatever old i don't know whatever discounts your parents get on at hotels i remember like my grandmother would add all that shit my arp and all that stuff and get that magazine that just comes to your house magically when you turned like 55 or that all the old people james i got it when i was 38 and i was like how fucking dare you modern maturity to me arp sent to me when i was 38 now that's amazing enroll now how about go fuck yourself apparently though you get like crazy fucking discounts. I've read about that. We're like 30 year old people enroll in it.

And just because you'll get like 15 percent off a hotel room or 20 percent off at a rental car place, like crazy discounts for fucking being an AARP when you're 30 and working every day. That's a it's a tough way for me being cheap, but also like having a little bit of dignity. Boom. AARP, Sonny Boy. We're the same age, sir. I get it.

Just give me my room key. I feel older. I don't know. But you know what the other thing is? People be like, you look amazing. People will be telling you all the time, you look unbelievable.

I just want to say, sir, you look amazing. You always say, you know, you're sad. You're like like i am aging like shit i'm out in the sun i got fucking hair and you know fucking getting wrinkles and shit but for 55 you look great you look fucking amazing for 55 like you are i'll take this seriously take take the ego stroke from a 32-year-old kid that works at a hotel. Yeah, he's going to be like, dude, you are fucking smoking. I'm going to hook you up with my grandma.

You mind if I give you her number? Because she would go head over heels for you. I can't believe you're the same age. I can't believe you're the same. I would think, I mean, 40 maybe, but not 55. That's pretty incredible. He's fighting there back at the Days Inn on September 23rd, fighting Fabian Garcia. Yeah.

So Fabian Garcia, 18, 14, and 1, coming in, 18, 16, and 1 career. So he fights one more fight after this fight and then goes yeah i'm done with this so he should change his name from the egyptian magician to the retiring fucking retiring opponents guy or some shit i don't know he's got it right he's uh the egyptian that that in magician but making careers disappear that's it he's the evaporator. So the career evaporator. So Fabian here, a unanimous decision win for Kabari against Fabian Garcia, 14 and one for him.

November 9th, 2000. He is fighting where the days in. Oh my, the fucking days in again. What the hell is going on here? He's fighting Andre Sherrod who comes comes into this fight 8-23, which is a bad record. How is this guy even getting a chance against him?

I don't know. It's at the Days Inn. Crazy things happen there. Okay. You know how it goes. You check into the Days Inn and anything's possible. 8-23, his house is 14 and 1 at that point. He just loves making his own waffle in the morning.

That's all. It's great. I get to box, and then I get to make a waffle in the morning. You ever seen that? You just flip it over. Done. That's great. You don't even have to know how to cook.

It's wonderful. I'll tell you what. I was on one of those blueberry muffins wrapped up, those tiny ones. Well, Otis Spunkmeyer. Oh, the low bites? Thanks for, Otis Spunkmeyer. Oh, the low bites? Thanks for my Otis Spunkmeyer. The chocolate chip ones that are just overwhelmingly chocolate. We stay in a lot of shitty hotels, as you can tell.

That's true. We know all about the Spunkmeyers. I don't want anything with the words. I'm not eating something with the word Spunk in it. I'm sorry. I can't believe that since jazz was called spunk, they hung on to it? Yeah. They could change the line.

Just call him Otis. Otis sounds like a guy who would spunk on your cookies, too. That's the other problem. I spunked in your muffin for you. And like, thanks, Otis. Appreciate you, Otis. As he tips his bowler cap to you cap do you tips his derby at you spunked in your muffin governor and he tips his fucking

his bowler at you that's what it's not white chocolate chips gross spunkmeyer. Spunk. Oh, no. It's amazing that those are still in business. They should have just been like, it's called what? All right, we'll close. We'll close down now.

Never mind. We've had a good run. What is Spinkmeyer? What do you say? Just change the U to an I? Spankmeyer? I didn't even call it Spankmeyer. Spankmeyer's better than Spunk. It isyer spankmeyer is better than spunk it is spank is better than spunk it really is but it's spunkmeyer is the worst name for it it's only

because they have all these hotel contracts to feed idiots like us this shit free breakfast with that tiny fucking bagel it's not a bagel it's because it's free for us and it barely costs that hotel a dime that's it if it wasn't for us traveling around doing live shows there would be no spunk meyer that's what it's all hotel contracts they just fold that's it so andre charade 8 and 23 coming in 8 and 26 for his career so again he doesn't last much longer this is is a first-round knockout for Kabari. So his blood is in the water for him. 15-1 for Kabari.

Next fight, January 25, 2002. And this is back at the Days Inn again. What does he have, like a five-picture deal at the Days Inn? It's got to be some sort of rapid rewards. It's got to be. There's no other explanation. It doesn't even feel like he signed with a boxing promoter like don king or somebody he just signed with the days in like the days in is out there signing fighters because they're gonna run cards now

it's very strange what's going on here so january 25th back at the days in versus troy barnes who is six eight and two coming in and this will be his last fight as well this is it so this is it i mean he i gotta go back because in the beginning he retired all those guys too he has retired or killed like more fighters than anybody yeah half of his fight at least half of his fights i don't think we've ever had as many as this. No, you're just as likely to be killed or retired than to go on and be fine after a fight with him. That's not great here. So this fight goes all eight rounds. It's an eight-round fight for some reason.

That's a weird number, but it's a unanimous decision for Kabari. If you retire someone, I think that's unanimously you beat their ass probably. So April 9, 2002, he's out of the days in he broke away from the days in i don't know if this other chain just fucking like circuit the best western just like bought him away but he's at the ramada in this time now he's at the fucking ramada his next fight's gonna be at the fucking Ramada. His next fight's going to be at the Red Roof in Des Moines. Like, what is happening? Just running the economy hotels of America. He's going to be at the Travel Lodge in July. Come see me.

The Roadway Inn is coming. Check me out at the Roadway in Duluth. It's happening. Again, all hotels we've stayed at. Plenty. So, yeah, April 9th 2002 the ramada in rosemont i think it's rosemont in illinois i think it's rosemont illinois uh this is for the vacant nabf super middleweight title so this is just that above middleweight that i think it's what is it 168 i want say, this weight class is.

And then 177 is cruiserweight or whatever. So he fights Antoine Kid Dynamite Eccles. You motherfucker. No. That's not even dynamite. You don't get to do that. No, you're literally using Mike Tyson's nickname. You're literally stealing it.

In what year 98 98 yeah no 2002 this is 2002 no absolutely not tyson was still fighting at this point like this is insanity you can't take his name yeah he's not a kid anymore but right you can't just take his name no he is fucking kid dynamite you should have to fight him for that and you fight 1986 mike tyson for that he if unless you're knocking guys out of the ring with one punch with 30 seconds into a fight you're not kid dynamite and i don't want to hear but he actually is a good record 26 four and one still no fine but no uh he finishes his career 32 22. Whoa, it went off the rails. Bad.

He won six fights and lost 18 and had three draws in his next. Wow. And this fight, this is the turning point in Echols' career, is the fight against Salem. And Salem accused, basically, accused of head-butting Echols through the entire fight. Echols complained about it. His corner complained about it. After the fight, they complained. People complained.

It was like all they talked about was the headbutts throughout this whole entire 12-round fight. And that goes all 12 rounds, unanimous decision because it's for a belt. And unanimous decision because it's for a belt and a unanimous decision loss for Kabari. So they give the fight to Eccles, but Eccles from there on, like we said, from there on, he's a completely different guy. He wins. After this fight, he goes 5, 18 and 3 for the rest of his career.

Fuck. Just falls apart after being headbutted consistently for fucking 12 rounds, basically. Maybe that lawsuit had something right. This constant head-butting is worse than these blows to the head. I don't know if worse or just as bad or what. It looks like it. Based on this, he's making guys go in a different way as a fighter. So he's 16-2 now, Kabari is.

So he went from the ramada inn in rosemont so he was touring the mcconnelly hotels yeah so you figure yeah but he's also been at the foxwoods but now he's lost so where do you go down from the ramada inn in rosemont jesus where in florida does he fight well jimmy i'll tell you where he goes on june 15 2002 he's fighting at the chambersburg high school in chambersburg pennsylvania what yeah he's in like a high school gym like taking on the toughest senior or something what what do you do this is bobby joe this is bobby joe he's also the senior quarterback. Bobby Joe Bannister is the starting middle linebacker on the team.

He's the toughest darn fellow this high school has ever produced. He would like to fight you in a ring made of bales of hay. We're not going to wear boxing gloves. The winner gets the key to the city and the homecoming queen get to do whatever you want to or we don't care i mean that's what you get her you get her get her is getting her is what we're talking about and it ain't gonna be boxing gloves so much as like them like like a farm glove like a work like a burlap work glove is what y'all gonna be wearing well one of you will because we only have two of them we're gonna have to duct tape throw pillows to the other one well it's all right we'll figure it out

now so it seems like and he fights robert marsh who's 7 and 14 coming in robert marsh and he's 7 and 14 coming in and he's failing chemistry so he's he's got to pick up the pace if he wants to graduate in june this is a problem 714 with a 3.2 gpa yeah well the thing is it's june 15 2002 this is the end of the school year this is his biology final this is his brain damage thesis that he's writing basically if he can get through this he graduates that's That's how it works. See, what happened is he had the flu during the finals of PE, and we just ran a mile. So he's just going to make it up here. Some extra credit. I'll make it up here.

It's fine. So this guy, 7-14-1 coming in, like we said. From this fight on, the rest of his career, his career record ends up being 11 45 and 3 after this fight he went four uh so he went 4 30 and 3 after this fight four wins 30 losses and three draws after this fight that's unbelievable. That's wild. What is Salem doing to people? That's what I mean. I feel like he's sexually assaulting them in there,

like taking away, you know what I mean? Yeah. He's fucking up their psyches or something. Unbelievable mental trauma that they just can't overcome later. He's got PTSD. I don't know what he's doing to these people. I don't know if he does it before the fight or after the fight. He beats you, and then when you're taking your tape off, he comes in the back and just fucks

your face unmercifully. I don't know what is happening over here. Try fighting after that. Yeah. Just screaming. You like that? Huh? Yeah.

He's just screaming. Have an O to Spunkmeyer. Yeah. I give you Spunkmeyer like a tell-all. He just goes off. I don't know. Throws him a muffin and tells him to clean themselves up. Yeah. I give you spunk, my like, I tell you. He just goes off. I don't know. Throws him a muffin and tells him to clean themselves up. Yeah.

Soak it up with this. Throws a blueberry muffin on his chest. Individually wrapped blueberry muffin. Down on his chest. There you go. So, Jesus Christ. So, anyway, Robert Marsh. This fight goes all six rounds by the way unanimous decision win for kabari he's just punishing people uh 17 and 2 his next fight

september 6th 2002 he fights this is at the chambersburg high school again you thought that's bad it's about to get worse in the next one i swear to god it's a worse look what one of the worst sounding places to have a boxing match i've ever heard so chambersburg high school like a tutor time it's almost face for adults kind of yeah uh he fights lloyd jabba brian j-a-b-b-a yeah like the Hut. Like the Hut, as in the Hut Brian. I don't know. I guess he's a heavier set gentleman. 20-9 coming in, and this fight goes all six rounds again.

It's a unanimous decision for Kabari again. And this guy, after this fight, he's 20 wins, nine losses coming in. After the fight, he will be two and seven and retire. What? I don't know what it is. I don't know if he's just I don't know if his management is so good at figuring out people that are just that just went over their their hump. You know what I mean? That just jumped the shark or like if he's like got the most amazing clairvoyant fucking timing ever

or if this guy like just ruins people i can't tell what the difference is he's just got gray star where he finds the guys right at their grace and he's like right here's where we can send them on down the hill gray star i like that he knows yeah that's a good word gray Gray star. Now, September the 27th, 2002 is his next fight, which is closest we've seen. It's only three weeks later. So this seems like one of those where, you know, somebody else got like dropped out and they offered it to him quick. And he's like, fuck it. I'm still in shape. Let's do it.

You know, one of those. So this is at the fraternal order of of Eagles in Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania. They haven't even gotten moose club status. No, eagle club. There's a bunch of dudes sitting there dressed like the Always Sunny guys coming to the wrestling ring on that one episode. They have bird hats and little feathered winged backpack things. Like bird hats and little feathered winged backpack things. Or is this like the Eagle Scouts Club?

Like all these guys made Eagle Scout and they all get to go to this? Yeah, or maybe Fraternal Order of the Eagles flying high above all the other social clubs. Flying high above the Odd Fellows. Flying high above the whatever the fuck other social clubs. The Knights of Columbus. we sit in the stands and tie knots that's what we do fraternal order of eagles jesus christ in fearless hills pennsylvania it's got to be something about eagle scouts right what else is there no i mean well they have fraternal order of moose and elks and that's what they all are so it's probably just the another animal they pick and in pennsylvania out there this is like fraternal order of hall beer drinking country where guys you know go down there they put a stupid hat on and drink 15 beers with their

fucking pals and then drive home that's what this place is so there's probably a shitload of these this is in pennsylvania again fearless hills pennsylvania i bet you this i'll bet you what this is is somebody that used to be a member of the elk's lodge and got kicked out of there for being too drunk a few times you're like i'll fucking create my own this is pennsylvania will be the fucking eagles where the you know what's better you know it could just peck the shit out of your fucking elk from the sky? An eagle. And you know what? Hold on.

I'm going to write this down. Eagles pecking the shit. That's going to be our logo. It's an eagle pecking a moose from just pecking him. And a little squirt of blood coming out. Anyway, when we're doing this, the thing is, rule. We got to have rules because it is a fraternal order. So there needs to be an order.

That's what I'm saying. Order's in there. Rule number one, you may drink as much as you goddamn well please. You hear that, Chuck? You hear it? Rule number two, every Sunday the Eagles game is on. I don't give a fuck who's playing. That's the other thing. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that it's Eastern Pennsylvania.

Somebody came in drunk as fuck and was like put the eagles game on and the other guy's like it's the playoffs they didn't make it we're watching the cowboys he's like fuck you i'll start my own it's always time for the eagles here so put a fucking a camera on donovan mcnab's couch and i'll watch that i don't give a shit i'll just watch him make a make a fruit salad in his kitchen i don't give a shit oh watch it slash cherries in half i don't give a shit you understand me troy is announcing the game he's not i don't care i don't care i don't like him i want him. I don't want to hear nothing about it. I hope that's how it happened.

At the Fraternal Order of Eagles, he fights Tyrone Sugarfeet Glover. Okay. Well. Sugarfeet. You should have played soccer then, sir. Sugarfeet. You're not allowed to use those here. But I do love that.

Well, he's like, well, I don't have something to do with how good my hands are. My last name's already Glover, so I feel like that's covered. I think he's like, so we're going to go with sugar feet. That way, all my bases are clear. Might be going overboard if I say sugar fists or sugar hands or sugar paws. Yeah, sugar hands Glover. Then it's like hands and hands. It's a lot of hands. So how do I tell people that all of me is sweet?

So I know. So he's 10-4 and 2 coming into into this and he finishes his career 11 9 and 3 after this fight he has one win and five fucking losses there's something happening there's something going on here kabari wins this fight unanimous decision all 10 rounds he just wears people down and and ruins them over the course of a fight. 19-2 now for Kabari. Now, January 9th 2003 at the Zembo Shrine in

Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. He's fighting for the vacant WBO WBO and NABO super middle weight titles. Two of them. Two of them. He could walk away a fucking champion here he fights manu neto n-t-h-r-n-t-o-h neto uh manu neto who's 11 and 4 coming in 11 and 4 coming in

so promising his career after this he ends up with a career record of 17 20 and 1 what the shit man so after this fight he goes 6 15 and 1 after this fight it's a great boxer man he destroys people i don't know what he's doing he's i don't know if he's breaking their spirit their physical physical body i don't know what they're doing, but holy shit, this fight goes all 12, and it's a unanimous decision win, again, for Kabari. He is now 20-2, so pretty fucking good 20-2. That's not bad. People he lost to are no pushovers either.

And he's destroyed like 16 guys in those 20 fights. And he killed a man who was a real contender. He killed an undefeated contender. So you got to look at all this. Grace. This is Grace for Kabari. Now you would imagine Grace would be before he murdered his first opponent. But no, we're going to put Grace here.

I feel like everything's coming late in this episode. I'm telling you. This episode should be called Wait For It. everything's coming late in this episode i'm telling you you got this episode should be called wait for it yeah it's coming he hasn't been even arrested yet he's been doing great people are like we're an hour 45 into this where's the fucking crime all i hear is sports just trust us just trust i get it we got a lot of comedy in in the sports did we not you didn't have to like sports to like the comedy. Tons of jokes. Because the end of this fucking episode, this is like a Bob Newhart routine. You ever hear an old Bob Newhart routine?

When I was a kid, I used to study old-timey comedy. And Bob Newhart would tell this fucking four-minute joke that then would have this punchline that was so amazing that it made four minutes of a story leading up to it worth it. You know what I mean, where people were like, oh my fucking god, they were choking and dying and going like Def Jam level crazy because that's what this episode is. Like the Norm McDonald moth joke. That's what

this episode is, exactly. So, April 5th 2003 at the Sovereign Center in Trenton. I hope that's not like those people who are traveling in their vehicle. Somebody tried to do that. I was reading about an idiot lately, recently, who tried to do that shit in court. Really?

Yeah. They were trying to give her bail. And she was like, I won't abide by any of this because the laws of the country don't apply to me because I'm a sovereign citizen and I wasn't doing this. I was doing this. And the judge went, OK, well, we're putting you back in jail then, because if you won't agree to any of the terms of the bail, then you can fucking sit in jail and be sovereign in there. Enjoy.

Be sovereign, you and your cellmate there. So you're not even you're not even sovereign in a six by eight fucking concrete box. Stupid. There's a thing that that people are doing now that are i don't know if they're real so mailmen are sending me these these pictures these cards that uh religious people put in their box that claim them to be sovereign and there's i don't know man here's your phone bill what the fuck do you why are you warning me that i'm that you're sovereign i don't give a fuck good your water bill fuck off that's you know what you don't give a fuck. Pay your water bill. Fuck off.

You know what? You don't want it in your mailbox? Great. I'll drive by like the guy in Funny Farm and fucking throw it out the window. Cackling as I drive by at 45 miles an hour. Yeah. You sovereign piece of shit. I'll just throw it out of the window.

I don't know, man. Here's your penny saver. Eat shit. What are you telling the mailman for? Right? what i mean what are you doing and they like they fucking tape it to the to the box inside so that when the mailman opens the door they see it and it's like a common thing cares who gives a fuck like the mailman gives a shit what your stupid opinions are you can't just declare yourself shit, by the way. I can't declare myself seven foot three.

You know what I mean? I'd like to be seven foot three and you'd like to be, quote, sovereign. But neither of those things are reality, asshole. So if you want to be so fucking sovereign, here's what you can do. Make about $100 million, buy a fucking island and you're sovereign enjoy enjoy turning salt water into drinkable water and have a fucking nice life you're sovereign as you want otherwise shut the fuck up and do everything that everyone else has to do you stupid asshole until the nearest country with a with a fucking army or any sort of military might takes your shit from you yes you're not anyone could come in right back here

to accept your phone bill take your fucking phone bill in stride you asshole take your fucking take your pizza hut coupons and get in your house you stupid dickhead like the rest of us Take your ads for window upgrades to your rental apartment as if you can even upgrade those. Is that even legal? No. Right, no. Just take this mail and throw it away and shut up. Yeah, here, stupid.

Take it and shut up. So I would have no problem with a mailman doing that, by the way. Just saying, I don't have time for this. We don't deliver to this country. I'm sorry. time for this. We don't deliver to this country. I'm sorry. Yeah, sorry. We don't deliver to assholevania. I have to keep going.

Consolvania's closed today. Sorry, I'm going to keep on driving. Shit bag, Berg. Doesn't have a zip code or an area code that I've heard of. I'm sorry. New Twatsburg is not on my route.

I apologize. New Foxport. You're not getting any of this shit. So he's fighting Ray Stingray. So his name is Stingray. Hate him already. Hate him already. Stingray Berry.

Why couldn't it have been him that died yeah i couldn't kill a guy with a stupid name the natural's a cool name right so sting ray berry whom we wish death upon uh for some reason he comes into the fight listen to this jimmy 19 9 and 2 okay now he loses this fight kabari beats. It's a TKO in the 10th round. Yeah. Kabari's 21 and two. You know what his record is after this fight? He finishes his career. After this,

he goes, Oh, and 10 and retires. My, he never wins another fight. He's after this fight, his final records, 19,

20, and two. He literally lost 10 in a row and retired. It's never happened. Nobody's ever done this before. Just absolutely destroyed a guy. You want to hear a blast from the past and what the fuck?

June 19, 2003 at Michael's 8th Avenue. I don't know if it's like a sandwich shop or something. It's like a coffee place. He's fighting between the bird feeders and the and the crochet i don't know michael he's fighting in front of michael's house there the guy who lives on eighth avenue it's right in front of his house he's just fighting

you know where michael is i was thinking that just joann's couldn't get him because they needed more money. So he just went to Michael. Joanne's couldn't get him. And he refused to fight at Hobby Lobby because those bastards won't give women the right to get their abortion meds. It's not even abortion meds. It's just birth control. But that's what they think it is. So that's where he threw the line.

Fuck Hobby Lobby and Joanne won't give me the goddamn money Michael's it is Michael's it is which one? 8th Avenue I like that one the best best selection store 1280 on 8th Avenue

best selection of fake flowers going I'm telling you right now you're freshening up your fucking room every few days you put some new ones down and everybody thinks they're fresh Jesus Christ all you need is like

four or five sets of them. And fighting out of the silk flowers aisle eight. Fighting out of the home glues corner. Fighting out of the letter aisle. What the fuck dude. Wow.

So he's fighting Derek double impact Whitley again. Triple impact. How about triple? Yeah. Derek broke his rule for once. He needed to fight Kabari so badly that he broke his rule, and now he's going to give triple impact.

This fight goes all ten. So another decision with him. Last time it was a unanimous decision. He knocked him out. Kabari knocked him out the first time. Second time Kabari won a unanimous decision. He knocked him out. Kabari knocked him out the first time. Second time, Kabari won by unanimous decision. This time it goes all 10, and Kabari wins by split decision. So if Derek fights him one more time, he can get the win, I feel like.

Yeah, he's getting closer and closer. One more time, then he gets the split decision. Then he'll get a unanimous, and then he'll eventually knock Kabari out. Six fights. decision then he'll get a unanimous and then he'll eventually knock kabari out if in the fourth six fights in the in the yeah in the eighth in the uh in the ocho of this of this trilogy of this ochology the ochology the ochology of this entire series of fights there's never been an ochology it'll look amazing. It's going to look great. No one has ever wanted to see two people fight eight fucking times except for now. I really want to see it.

So, hey, Kabari's 22-2, which ain't a bad record. It's not bad. What the fuck are these venues? October 23, 2003. He's fighting at the Princess Chateau in Lodi, New Jersey. What? The Princess Chateau. What the fuck is that? Is that Lodi or is in Lodi, New Jersey. What? The Princess Chateau. What the fuck is that?

Is that Lodi or is it Lodi? Lodi, I don't know which one. Lodi, Lodi, either one. Lodi is California, though. Yeah, but that's California out there. I don't know. It could be pronounced different here. Who the fuck knows?

New Jersey over there. Could be their hero. That's what I'm saying. Who knows? So either way, he's fighting at the Princess Chateau. Whatever that is. Whatever the fuck that is. He's fighting Kenny Bowman, who is 31-6 coming in.

And he only has one more fight after this fight. But that's a long career, 31-6 already. He ends up 31-8. Because Kabari knocks him out in 25 seconds. Wow. TKO. So the ref stops the fight 20 seconds in 25 seconds in he doesn't even want to see anymore wow how badly do you have to be whooping someone's ass in 20 seconds to make someone jump in between you and be like no no no more holy shit like even on the street you a fight lasts longer than that. You know? Yeah. Like, that's fucking, that is a flash.

Just done. Oh, shit. So, anyway, 23 and 2. March 13, 2004, he's in Denmark. Yeah. Boy, fighting in Denmark. Going overseas. That's a long way from Chambersburg High School here.

He fights Rudy Hardhitter-Markison. Okay. from chambersburg high school here he fights rudy hard hitter marcuson okay i feel like maybe in whatever language country he's from it's probably yeah it probably translates to hard hitter but it's maybe cooler than just hard hitter uh now hard hitter is 28 and 1 coming into this fight so hard hitters no goddamn joke apparently here um And this fight, he'll end up finishing his career, by the way, hard hitter, at 39-4. So he's a bad motherfucker, this guy. He is tough. He hits hard. That's what happens.

Apparently, there's an accidental, quote-unquote, accidental headbutt from Kabari in this fight that opens up an enormous cut on Markison's head. And the fight has to be stopped due to the cut. It's so bad. He fucking gashed him with a headbutt. I mean, real bad. How accidental can that be? Yeah.

With it laid open that hard. It's bad. Well, for anybody else, I mean, maybe they misjudged each other, but when it's this guy who all he does is headbutt, it's like, well, you know. Seems to be par for the course. Don't kind of really get the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, it's kind of par for the course, chief. So this fight's a no contest.

So nothing. It doesn't count for shit. So 23 and 2 still for our guy here, Kabari. Now, May 8, 2004, he's in Germany. Look at him. Yeah. 8th 2004 he's in germany look at him yeah he's fighting mario veit v-e-i-t which is mixing the most italian and the most german name together mario veit that's very fascinating yeah uh now mario veit is 42 and 1 coming into this fight boy that is uh not to be fucking trifled with there 42 and 1 finishes his career 49 and 4

wow that's a that's a bad fucking dude man um during this fight uh celem is penalized two points for intentionally headbutting uh mario veet keep that in mind two Two points, which every judge takes two fucking points off. So at the end, when they tally their rounds, two points. And another headbutt in this match. The only headbutts didn't go to the opponent in this match. Salem broke the referee's nose with a headbutt. What? Yeah.

What he said was an accidental headbutt with the referee how do you even get to that point i don't know if he acted like he was going one way when the referee was coming in or what you know how referees move if you're a boxer that's boxed this much you know exactly where a referee is going to move if you move so it's hard to it's hard to the referee becomes like like just second nature The referee becomes like just second nature. The referee is like just he goes in places. All the refs pretty much work the same way when they're getting angles. They all have to see the same angles.

So especially when there's close, when there's tie-ups and shit, all the refs go to the same place. You know where they're coming from. You know, come on, man. You're aware of the ring. So I've never seen it before. Put it that way. Yeah. I've never seen a ref get Put it that way. Yeah.

I've never seen a ref get blasted in the face with a headbutt. In all of the boxing I've ever watched and looked at, even studied, looked at this shit, I've never even heard, never heard of a referee getting hit to the point of drawing blood with a headbutt from a fucking boxer ever. And he broke this fucking guy's nose. I don't think I've even seen him catch contact like square whether it's any sort of any sort of no punch or anything i've seen a grazed i've seen a referee get in the middle of of a post of just after of an after the bell and get and get popped on the way in when they step in front of a punch but and the arm and shit. Never just drilled.

Not square. Not a broken nose, basically. Yeah, that's crazy. So this fight goes all 12. It's a split decision. So very, very close. And Salem loses. Uh-oh.

By the way, on one of the scorecards, because it's three judges, two of them voted for that guy. One of them for Salem. On one of the scorecards, he by one point point so he would have won minus the headbutt minus the headbutt uh the two points he would have won this bout by split decision instead of lost the bout by split decision so it's a big difference and teaches you probably maybe don't fucking headbutt so much so upcoming fight he's fighting joe calzaghe who is a bad motherfucker he's a really tough guy uh coming into this fight he's 37 and oh jesus and uh his whole career he was 46 and oh calzaghe's a bad motherfucker at that how do you quit ever when you're that when you're doing that

great again i don't know he's last two fights, because there's nobody to fight. That's why there's no money in it anymore. If you beat the opponents with names and nobody cares about that weight class, his last two fights were wins over Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr. Wow. Granted, when they were on their way down, but still, even if you're a good fighter you sleep on one of those guys whether they're old or not they will fuck you up like

those guys are as pro as you get so i don't want to fight either of them no i don't care i don't want to fight them when they're 70 those guys will still kick your ass so i mean hopkins did like prison time that motherfucker's he's bad man yeah so um uh calzaghe though there's a lot of publicity before the fight about headbutting and calzaghe doesn't want to be headbutted and he is worried that kabari is going to be dirty basically his his strategy is to make this a big public issue so everybody's going to be very so the headbutting will be under a microscope keep an eye on it yeah so they'll keep an eye on it so that way it doesn't you don't have to say it happened after it happened you can say look and then he can go see look what he's doing he's doing it right now so uh all this type

of shit calzaghe here um he uh this will be the oh wow it's going to be the first championship fight to be hosted by the scottish Interesting. Look at that. So good for you. Anyway, they were, Calzaghe will equal the British record for world title defenses if he wins the fight too. Really? Yeah. This is for like a big thing. Also, he said, though, he doesn't want to be headbutted is what he's most thinking about. And he says that he was thinking about joining the heavyweight and all that sort of thing.

And what he says about Kabari is, quote, Salem is big and strong and has never been stopped. He's never been knocked out, Kabari, ever. We've never heard of him being hurt. Not only is he tough, but he's also rough and comes in with his head low as an extra weapon. That's a concern. I'll have to step back, fight on the back foot, and keep him at arm's length so I can use my boxing skills to full effect. Yeah, if you're a guy who likes to get inside, you've got to deal with his head in your face the whole time.

Is that common things to say in boxing interviews? Because I feel like he just gave away his whole game plan. Well, I mean, it's kind of. I mean, if he was going to do some big surprise thing, no. But, I mean, there's really nothing Salem can do about that. If he says, he can say, I'm going to keep you at arm's length and box you. If the guy can't get near him, he's going to keep him at arm's length and box him. There's nothing he can do about it.

I mean, Salem can then try to keep away. He can say that to his face in the ring. Guess what he can do today. Yeah, this is it. There's nothing he can do. It's not like a football team where they would then change the defense. then he could say that to his face in the ring guess what we do today yeah yeah this is it there's nothing you can do it's not like a it's not like a football team where they would like then change the defense you know what i mean like he's just taller so uh october 22nd 2004 he is fighting the pride of wales he's called here joe the italian dragon calzhe. So he's an English-Italian guy, which is hilarious.

The pride of Wales, and I proclaim my Italian-ness. Yep, I'm the pride of Wales, the Italian dragon. Sure. Why not? So like we said, 37 and 0 coming into this, bitch. This is pretty awesome here. Now, Calzaghe, they both get salem goes down in the 12th round uh calzaghe goes down in the fourth round he actually knocks calzaghe down this is a great

fight i actually watched this fight and this he gives calzaghe every fucking thing that he wants i mean he uh this is his toughest fight of his entire career yeah till this till this point until the end of his career like this this was a close one it goes all 12 rounds wow and uh it's a unanimous decision but put it this way i don't think joe wants i don't think the italian dragon wants to fight kabari again he's one of those yeah it's like the end of uh it's like the end of rocky one where he he's like, we'll do this again. And he's like, no thanks. Apollo's like, I'm good. It's one of those, like, no, I beat you, but it was a pain in the ass.

So I'm not really interested in that right now. It's exactly what it was. So now September 16, 2005 here in Montreal. This is for Canada. Yeah, this is for the Canada. Yeah, this is for the vacant World Boxing Council. So WBC, Continental America's super middleweight title and the NABF super middleweight title. No one ever has any of these belts.

They're always vacant, all of them. Well, when guys move up a weight class, they vacate the belt. That's what happens. That's why they're vacant. They don't just give them away. They don't want to be your champ anymore. No.

Not enough of this. Not enough. He fights Lucian Butte, who is 13-0 coming in. So promising. And he finishes his career 32-5. So he ended up doing pretty well here. This fight only goes into the eighth round

where it is stopped, and it is a tko loss for kabari so this is the first time a fight's ever been stopped on them or celeb yeah kabari did i say kabari yeah oh yeah kabari yeah kabari who's the italian guy it's just italian kalzagi joey calzone over there the italian dragon joey calzone all ethnic names. I'm too white for this. It's too much, Jimmy. It's too much. So, yeah, Lucian is the first one to have a fight stopped on Kabari. So Kabari ends up retiring.

That's it. That what? That's it. He retires. That's, I guess, at the same time, Christ, he's almost 40. He's fucking 37 years old. And he's lost two fights he's lost two this is his third fight he actually is no he's lost a couple of fights calzaghe's 23 and no i

mean directly in a row yeah yeah he lost two in a row against really good contenders so it's like if you want to stick around and not just be a journeyman making 500 bucks in an elk's hall somewhere right you got to beat these guys if If you can't, that's your fate. So you can retire or go fight in an Elks Lodge. Enjoy. Call the fraternally order of the Eagles again and see what they're up to. Not this Sunday, you've got the Eagles game.

We can't fight on Sundays. Not Saturday nights either because we're getting ready for the Eagles game. Now, time goes by. September of 2005 is his last bout. And he has a family as he had children before that. He was married and had children while he was boxing and doing all that stuff. And, you know, building a life here in the States and everything, living in, I believe, New Jersey. He's living.

And so all this goes on. You really don't hear a lot from him until October 24th, 2009, when a body is found. A dead body is found along a popular running trail in the Bloomingdale Park area by passers-by this is in staten island so uh bloomingdale park area on the morning it's 9 a.m october 24th 2019 they find a body uh covered in leaves like just on the side of the road fully clothed covered in leaves. Somebody definitely covered it up. Fully buried, yeah. Fully clothed. And it turns out here that this body is Kabari's 25-year-old daughter. Oh, no. Here.

His daughter, Ola Salem. And, yeah, that's who this turns out to be. She's fully clothed, dumped on the side of the road here, which is obviously fucking horrible. I mean, Jesus Christ, that is terrible. They end up finding they when they find her there, they figure out that this is not the site of the murder. This isn't the crime scene. They also they know that right away because there's no blood or anything like that or signs of struggle or any of that.

But they also find drag marks near where they found her as well so that's a good clue obviously somebody dragged her off the side of the road here uh now she uh this is 138 acre park she's found in that's over that's it's like 10 miles from it's about 10 miles from where she lives here and uh they don't you know they don't know the significance of this spot she's only 25 years old so same age as randy carver right so uh you know and um they haven't determined where she was killed obviously it's uh it's all they say is by from what they've gathered the detectives believe that it wasn't a random killing they don't think it was a random killing the way it was no she's not robbed she's not raped she's just yeah

it's some sort of person not a random thing something personal now she has some people that could have been mad at her that's the thing she She works as an advocate for women who are embroiled in domestic violence. Oh, Jesus. As a volunteer at the, I'm never going to pronounce this right, the ASEA Women's Center. So that's where she works. And she is, they find out the cause of death is asphyxiation. Asphyxiation due to compression of her neck so she's strangled this is what that is there um so yeah the people that work with her this she also

uh i think this place she worked was a muslim women's shelter women and family shelter which a lot of times when that in that culture when shit, if it's very fundamentalist and you don't want to be a part of that, violence is a thing. And I'm not trying to fucking take cheap whatever shot. That's the way it's happened before. It happens. It's called an honor killing. I don't even mean that. I just mean that violence against women is not a real...

Oh, that's just every day, it seems like. In certain situations. In extremism. Extremism. That's what in certain situations, not in all extremism. That's what we're talking about. And absolute extremism. There's no nobody. It's all all the laws of what's going on in the extremist side. Right.

Exactly. So the all of this is going on here. She has been of she was the first volunteer at this place. Apparently, when it first opened. Her boss or her friend here said, quote, she was so emotionally intelligent, she could look at someone and know exactly what they're feeling and know exactly what to do to make that person smile. So, yeah, apparently everybody there, this is a safe house dedicated specifically to Muslim women fleeing domestic violence. It has 20 beds and they do emotional support and all that sort of thing and medical needs and, you know, try to help you job placement, whatever they have to do to try to help women here. They have GoFundMe pages and all that sort of stuff.

Her friend also said she was so headstrong, so passionate about domestic violence survivors. She had an incredible level of humility. So she was also very much into the community. She did all the like charity stuff. She did a lot of events for the Muslim American Society. She also did a lot of like breast cancer stuff where she was organizing stuff. Good community stuff. Yeah. What breast cancer walks and all that shit she's organized and raise money for.

And yeah, her boss said any event that happened, she was usually the first person there. She had actually had she was there was some publicity early in her life when she was 17 in 2011 she was at the playland park in rye new york and she was told by workers that she couldn't go on a ride because of her hijab there and was and so she asked to speak with management and it ended up being a giant like kerfuffle and people got in fistfights and it was a melee 15 people ended up being a giant kerfuffle, and people got in fistfights. And it was a melee. 15 people ended up being arrested over this whole thing. And she was mad because she said it was about my religion, and they were discriminatory. It wasn't about my headgear.

She heard them saying things, and I wasn't there. I don't know what happened. So she's not afraid is what I'm getting at. She's 17, and she's not afraid to be outspoken then. So they're looking into who the fuck could have did this to this woman. First person that comes up is her ex-husband. Okay. She's got an ex-husband.

And she also, not only does she have an ex-husband, she has an ex-husband and a restraining order against said ex-husband. Oh, boy, that makes him suspect number one. So that's going to put him up to the top of the pile, I would assume, here. Now, her husband also had an order of protection against her. Oh. So we don't know what the situation was, but it was evident, obviously,

there was some shit going on in their marriage, clearly. If you got double impact protection orders... Restraining order pissing match here? This is crazy. Restraining order squared. You don't restrain me me i'll restrain you i restrain you you don't order me to be protected i order you to be protected so uh she moved out and lived with her family at one point during her marriage she actually sought shelter in the place that she volunteered at that's so it comes full circle for her that's why she's so passionate about it and uh so people obviously are thinking

this guy obviously fucking killed her jesus christ now uh but the investigation continues her her family here uh they live in the shoreres neighborhood in Staten Island her mother had no comment and her brother said that obviously her debts been very hard on the family and you know that sort of thing so they asked the neighbors did you see anything going on at her house that would have you know made you think that people were gonna murder her and one of the neighbors said quote I've seen a lot of commotion this is a guy who lives across the street. He said he saw and heard two men and a woman arguing in front of the Salem home a couple weeks before her death.

So that's what they're saying. He said, quote, there were two men. One was getting a little violent. I thought the other one had to put a stop to the violence or his anger. So apparently it was two men. One of them tried to attack her, or not her, a woman that was out there, to the point where the other man had to restrain the guy from beating a woman in the street, which is fucking bonkers.

No matter who you are, that's ridiculous. That's just crazy. So other neighbors said they remembered seeing police cars in front of the house multiple times in the last year as well. One woman who lives in the neighborhood said she walked past the home every day, and she says that it's very terrifying to hear somebody got killed and taken from here, and it worries her walking around. She said it's sad, very, very sad. Yeah, a 25-year-old girl got killed.

Now they asked Kabari what he thinks, and Kabari has some insight on the whole thing. Oh? Kabari says, yeah, Kabari says that just over a week after she was discovered dead, he said, this is when he comes to the New York Times, talks to him, and he talks to them, and he says that she had been complaining to him about being worried that people were following her on the highway when she was driving she said a vehicle was constantly following her she kept telling me she some particular person was following her and she was worried about it so that's what he has to say uh he says quote she said all she always said somebody would follow her. I want to know what happened, what what the reason is for that.

But no one tells me. I am just waiting. She was a really good, beautiful girl. So he's obviously waiting for answers like everybody else. Just know what the fuck happened to his daughter. A lot of people in the neighborhood said, though, that there was a lot of problems at that location at the house. There was cops there, people yelling yelling outside that sort of thing um they said there was one incident which a bunch of neighbors believed that uh that she was taken away in

an ambulance from her home as well they don't know for what reason but she was taken uh the mypd nypd confirmed that officers had been called to the Salem home five times in the past year. Five times. Every two months. Two months and two weeks. You got somebody, a cop at your door? Year back. For reasons including a violation of an order of protection and criminal contempt.

So this is all going very badly. contempt so this is all going very badly um ola and uh her family and uh they seem to have some tension at the time too uh at the time uh she her family ola's family had an active order of protection against her against ola at some point too members of her family um which is i don't know any details of that but that's what came out in the in the media so i'm not sure so months go by that was october no arrests no clues no nothing uh march 31st 2020 on an instagram account listed as quote the official instagram of former champion of the world kabari salem uh he says i miss you and love you rip my love uh ola kabari salem so you know he's uh he's putting like tribute posts to his daughter that was in 2020 this is 2020 march 31st

2020 this is during quarantine he's doing this. This is during fucking COVID. So 2020 here continues, and they're trying to figure it out. They said that the police have one person of interest, but at this point they're no longer in the United States. So they've got to work out that angle. They said that the case remains under very active investigation and all this shit. And he says, quote, We will do our best to bring the perpetrator of that terrible crime to justice. But it does have some issues.

Now, they say that this person, they believe, has fled to the Middle East. And they say that the only thing they'll say is they do not believe that Ola and this person were romantically linked. They knew each other. They'll confirm that they knew each other, but not that they're romantically linked. So not her husband, not a boyfriend is what they're saying there. So they said there's no motive yet. He said, quote, this is the spokesperson. I don't think at this point we really have a solid motive we really don't know what precipitated it now um december

3rd 2020 they have a little clearer idea of what happened to ola now uh they believe she was murdered in pennsylvania she was in pennsylvania where kabari was opening a diner out there and she was out there helping him do stuff to open the diner so that's why she was in Pennsylvania to begin with and apparently she had a boyfriend she had a boyfriend no no no she's divorced

it's her ex-husband I don't know if she's whatever but that's not the issue that she's that guy's gone the ex-husband I don't know if they're officially divorced or whatever but she has a boyfriend uh now all is so good for her for moving on problem is um problem is uh kabari does not like this young man at all um they said quote this is a police source quote we believe the father found out she was still dating the boyfriend and not complying with the Muslim religion. So she wasn't doing the things that he thought she should do in terms of her religious duties.

Obligations. Yeah. So then the source went on to say, quote, he plotted this whole thing out. No. Surveillance video. Investigators were able to track kabari's movements before ola's body was discovered and then they went back and looked over inconsistent statements that he gave that did not match up with some of the evidence and the surveillance there's a guy that didn't listen to serial not at all yes that's what i'm saying the footage was presented to the

satin island da and they decided to charge kab Kabari Salem with the murder of his own fucking daughter. Unbelievable. Okay, now, we've heard of a lot of people doing a lot of fucked up shit. We've never heard of someone murdering their child and dumping them on the side of a fucking running path. Two states away. We've never heard of that. No.

Never. they'll hide them in the basement they'll bury them in the yard they'll put them in a room they'll just leave them where they are and say someone else did it you don't leave anybody with any that's not even something your brain knows why it's doing it but you know you don't leave your child out there yeah you know what i mean you just don't no one wants that so that's fucking gross dead giveaway truly is when he started giving like uh places she could be or things that could have happened yep when you're too helpful you shut your fucking mouth and don't give and not regardless of whether or not you did it you shut the fuck up because

otherwise you're giving police information of things to chase and why don't you just shut up and let them follow the evidence that's the thing and a week later all of a sudden he's like oh yeah now i remember her saying people were following her that could be something and they're like shut up man so uh the key to the investigation was the discovery that kabari salem had rented an automobile from avis on october 22nd uh a regulation enforcement oh never, never mind. Previously, he told investigators that he had pushed, that he had taken, oh, that's right. He said he took her to New York from their, like his car, he said he'd used. He'd been using his car.

He didn't say that he rented a car. Right. And they found out he rented a car. they then discovered uh his daughter's cell phone in his car like his regular car yeah and uh kabari said that she must have forgot it when he dropped her off at home that's what happened kids do that people yeah all the time my cell phone anywhere i'm coming right the fuck back that's what i mean you got you can't even buy anything you got stuff in there right so uh the official said that uh detectives found out that kabari salem used the rental automobile to journey to staten island uh and together wow um uh to get apparently that uh jesus christ he and he and like he paid like some homeless guy to help him put his daughter

there wow he just paid some homeless guy to help him do this apparently and um that is so gross yep he went away uh acted cool for about a week and then took off and they ended up being or they ended up arresting him in kuwait that's where they got him so that's where they ended up getting him all the way to fucking kuwait and then they they have to, with the help of the State Department and Interpol, they had to extradite him to New York after they quarantined him because it's COVID. So there's a lot of complications here. Son of a bitch. They're lucky to have him. That's what I mean.

They're lucky they even got him. They apparently sometime between October 23rd and 4th is when they think somewhere in there that day is when he killed her, drove to Staten Island, dragged her body onto Bloomingdale Park as he drove for all the way from Pennsylvania. Right. Over here. Over man. Yeah. Covered her with leaves and branches and left her there. That's wild, man. That's just fucking.

He had to cross bridges. He drove so far. He's there. That's just fucking. He had to cross bridges. He drove so far. He's there and all these people. Can you imagine? I mean, fuck. And then he's in Kuwait. And the fucked up thing is when he's in Kuwait. I mean, we're talking Interpol and State Department and all these people.

And they weren't even the first person to find him. You know who the first person to find him was? And they weren't even the first person to find him. You know who the first person to find him was? Andrew Theron, ice cream marketing expert and scam hunter extraordinaire. Andrew Theron. And he says. How is it you come to arrive here, pal? Unbelievable.

What's wrong with you? Yeah, that's right. I came through the window. That's right. I did. Yeah. That's the consequences when you're doing this type of shit, Patty. That's right, pal.

Yeah. You killed your daughter. I'm going to rape your wife. How's that sound? Oh, what do you think of that, pal? Yeah. You get your head button away from me, buddy. I don't even...

You butt your head somewheres else, because. I don't even, you butt your head somewhere else because I'll tell you what, pal, ain't going to work with me. No, I'm a little too sharp for that. That's right. I come correct, mister. Yeah, that's right. I didn't even park outside. That's why I was down the street. You can't even see me coming. I was already here. I was on the roof for the last four hours waiting for you. I was waiting for you to come in. I heard you in here. Boom.

Grappling hook. That's what happens, buddy. That's right. You fucking bum. You're a fucking bum. Can't get away from me. You and your daughter? Your fucking daughters? Your daughter?

You fucking scumbags. You're a scumbag. Yeah, you are. I'm telling you, pal. Nah. Nah. I'm going to go to Dunkin' and I ain't getting you a fucking thing. That's right.

You can kiss my ass, buddy. I'm going to run over toin' and I ain't getting you a fucking thing. That's right. You can kiss my ass, buddy. I'm going to run over to Cumbie's. I ain't getting you shit. That's right. I'll be raping your wife. Goodbye, pal. And poof. Back on his grappling hook, he somehow swings himself back onto the roof and he's gone.

And Kabari is like, I thought I was the magician. Holy shit. That guy's amazing. Unbelievably, the real Andrew messaged me this week week he's the best i love this guy told me hey uh anyway you can help me get because goddamn joel tucker was he fled uh sentencing in kansas city he wound up in denver he writes me he goes hey tucker's getting on a plane at 6.05 from Denver to Kansas City. He's driving a Jeep Rubicon. I'm like, what are you doing, man?

What are you doing, man? I love this guy so much. He's the best. I'm telling you. But then the FBI got him, and he was sentenced to 12 and a half years. So Joel Tucker is gone for quite some time. And look at this. I mean, we couldn't find him.

No one could find this guy all over the planet. Andrew Theron had to bust through his window in Kuwait and then alert the State Department and Interpol because only he could find him. Only he could find him. He's over here, everybody. Let's go. Come on. So he's tracked there. This is all the fugitive task force gets him. He's arrested and charged with murder in the second degree, manslaughter in the first degree, concealment of a human corpse and strangulation.

He is being held without any bond at all. And the district attorney said throughout the course of this case, we have never lost hope that the alleged killer would be arrested and charged. We will continue to work tirelessly to hold this defendant accountable for the brutal act of violence he has been accused of committing against his own daughter. And they think it was basically an honor killing type of thing. That's disgusting, man. They think it was because she wasn't following the tenets of Islam because she was going out with some guy and didn't listen to her. It didn't listen to him and what he said. And, uh,

there you go. So that's, that can't get enough of Kabari Salam. Oh, we've had plenty. I think I've had enough of him, but if you really need him that bad, you can get an autographed index card.

Yeah. There's a bunch of them on there. It just says, is he? No, he's not seasoned. Hasn't gotten a trial. He's not,

he's still all alleged. This is all alleged, alleged, alleged, alleged, alleged. Everything's alleged. He allegedly killed his alleged. This is all alleged. Holy alleged, alleged, alleged, alleged. Everything's alleged. He allegedly killed his daughter.

They allegedly think he did all of that. This is not. He's arrested for it and awaiting trial and innocent until proven guilty like everybody else. But it doesn't look good. We'll just say that for him. Andrew, when Andrew Theron's hunting you down, you're probably in deep shit.

You probably did something. You did something. So alleged, alleged, alleged. But you can get this for $ on ebay enjoy that there's a whole bunch of them there and uh index it's a three by five index card with his name on it just says kabari in like fucking uppercase block letters and then like a squiggle thing i guess that's salem so anyway that everybody is kabari salem and that's a weird and i get that that story was like that was the one that was 80 sports i

understand that we tried to make it about you know 40 of that 80 be or 50 of that 80 be comedy to get you through that but the ending is worth it that was fucking nuts man it had to be told with zero crime in his life he commits that allegedly murders his fucking daughter and dumps her body on a fucking jogging trail what a staggering fucking story the psychology of it he didn't dump her in a place where she would never be found so she wanted her to be found obviously the psychology behind when a person would dump someone on the side of a very well-used jogging path with just a few leaves on them is obviously you want them to be found you don't want them to rot out there but it's just weird for someone to leave their child out in a place like that that's just a strange i mean it's strange for them to

kill their kid anyway over some shit like that but i mean that's i don't know it. We'll see how this trial plays out, and we'll definitely have an update about it. That is going to be a fascinating trial. It's going to be wild. I want that on true TV. Oh, that's going to be fucked. That would be an interesting one to watch. So it's out there, so keep an eye out for Cabar. That's another thing.

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Should be. May as well. Kat Cox, Seth Ashworth, Jason Jones, Carlos Sanchez, Ashley Cruz, Michael McKee, Connor King, Rich Murphy, Lisa Smith, Laurie Sparks, Carl Tolbert, Amber Vroman, Libby with no last name, Kim Graham, Victoria Rossi, Blake Tourette, Santa Muerte. What? That's the coolest. Santa Muerte. Dead Santa. Mary Alexander. Betty with no last name. Joe Conair. Matthew Bowman. CJ Ratz. Ratch. Joshua Kirkpatrick.

Tristan with no last name. Miguel Quintanilla. Wow, that's badass. Kevin Ray. Stacey with no last name. Willie Williams. Rachel First. Samantha Lindsay.

Jacqueline Iman. Nick with no last name. Dustin Odom. Feth Fan. What? Samantha Timms. Alex Forrest. Stanislav Forov. Nick with no last name. Dustin Odom. Feth Phan. What? Samantha Timms. Alex Forrest. Stanislav Forov.

Lacey Quimby. Shelby Loveland. Andrew Pope. Scott Finley. Angie what? Bray Bender. Bra Bender. Good for you.

That's a pretty bitching last name for a check. That's not bad. Pretty cool. Just bending them. Hannah Moore. Mason with no last name. Marsha Frazier. Shelby Hughes. Josh Vincent. Just bending them. Hannah Moore. Mason with no last name. Marsha Frazier. Shelby Hughes. Josh Vincent.

Jordan Frump. Wanda Lovejoy. Cuddling Death. Alexandria Zoboyevsky. Laura Toe. Karen with no last name with a C also. Nicholas Pleasant Farts. I doubt it.

Sandy Francisco. Marja Maria. Maria. Maria Jacques. Casey with no last name, Stephanie Albier, Chris Fitzgerald, Nori McClellan-Ball, Olivia Wood, B. Barrows, and Tyler

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