Crime in Sports - #27 - Didn't Die Soon Enough - The Atrociousness of Tony Ayala Jr

Episode Date: August 2, 2016

This week, we take a long, hard look at one of the most irredeemable, horrid, quasi-human beings that we've ever covered. He was a prodigy in the boxing ring, as well in the legal system. From his struggles with substances, to his much bigger struggles with not entering women's homes, in the middle of the night, he proved himself to be unfit for any society on earth. No matter how many horrors he perpetrated, there was always a line of people dying to clean up his mess. Jab a needle into your arm, sneak in through the kitchen window, and climb into the ring, with Tony Ayala Jr!! Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Tuesday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Crime in Sports!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Small Town Murder Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/crimeinsportsInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] on Patreon: patreon.com/crimeinsportsPayPal: paypal.me/crimeinsports See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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this week one thing we don't have is a happy ending i love it this is an irredeemable human dumpster fire of a person and it's going to be fun let's get right into this jimmy what do you let's go let's kick it off with antonio ayala jr yay we're back to juniors. Don't name your kid after yourself. Yo, stop it. He goes by Tony. He's Tony Ayala Jr. He's a boxer known as El Torito, which is the little bull. Yeah. Is that Italian? No, he's Mexican.

He is Mexican. He's very, very Mexican. He sounds Italian as fuck. It's so funny, too, because his brothers are Sammy, Pauly, and Mikey. Really? Yeah. Sammy, Pauly, Mikey, and Tony. It's hilarious. It's, they're, and it, because the boxing culture, this makes sense though. The boxing culture, uh, back East, like my stepmother's father was a boxing trainer and there, it's, it's kind of a, they're all just a bunch of old guineas.

That's, that's who run, that's who used to run boxing back in the day. It was old Italian guys, old fat Italian guys. With big hair. I think these guys would just kind of incorporate that. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I'm going to be an Italian. So everyone I hang out with, all these people are Italian. I don't know.

But he's born February 13, 1963. All right. He is from San Antonio, Texas. Almost a Valentine's baby. Almost a Valentine's baby. He's a lover, we'll say, this guy. 1963. All right.

And everything, he starts really young. His father's a crazy person, first of all. There's plenty of evidence that I'll read later on. In Latin San Antonio, Texas. Yeah, in San Antonio. His father's an ex-Marine. That's not what makes him crazy. That's what makes his dad crazy.

Well, he fought in Korea. So, I mean, his dad's a, you know, he's a whatever. He's fought in the war and very demanding of his sons, of course, and of everybody. Those military dads. A lot of drinking. Yeah. All the kids boxed. And it's a dad that grew up in the 40s, probably.

He grew up, he talks about the depression. Like, he talks about when he was a child, his father would smack him if he had too much milk to drink because they needed the milk. Whereas the kids always say he always made sure there was three gallons of milk in the fridge so he could have as much as we want. Like shit like that. So he tried to spoil them, but he also was very hard on them. He made them box, all of them, very early. He started boxing early.

Tony Ayala Sr. started boxing when he was a kid in the 30s. He was a boxer too. He had to quit and get a job to support the family and all that. And by the time he could get back into it, he realized that it was too late for him to box. But! But, let's live vicariously to the children, why don't we? Especially the one I name after myself. Yes, we get Tony.

And Tony Jr. is the third in the line, too. Really? He's not the oldest. He's the third born. That's pretty wild. It took them to the third before they... Yeah, they had to name old mikey and and uh sammy first because i don't know if he had some uh guinea pals he hung around the gym with that he needed to name kids after but so yeah he starts boxing very young

he has a troubled childhood yeah uh this is one thing here this is the only time you'll feel bad for tony ayala jr here apparently he gets molested pretty good for about two years pretty good he gets or pretty bad pretty bad pretty well i mean if the guy wants to be a molester but he he gets molested uh for two years we'll say for two years pretty good it sounds pretty good it's a pretty good diddle him. Let me tell you something. He got taken. I mean, there's nothing to laugh about. It's a horrible thing. He got molested for two years, though.

Yeah. That'll fuck you up forever. From nine to 11. He said it was a family friend, and I guess this guy tormented him. Formative years. Oh, it's terrible. And this makes him an angry guy. Weird.

Very, very angry, as we'll see later on. It comes out in everything he does. Great for his professional life as a boxer. Yeah, you can take out your aggression. Yeah, where aggression is at a premium, but not so great with the ladies, we'll say. It's like when they were small children, during professional bouts in San Antonio, because his father was a trainer and he had lots of boxers, the kids would fight each other

between the fights. As like between fight entertainment. Yeah, like a baby fight club. Yeah. Never heard of ring girls apparently. Do we want

scantily clad women telling us what's coming up next or shall I send my sons out there to beat the shit out of each other? Fuck my kids up further.

Yeah, let's do it. Hey, where's the one who was getting molested all the time? Let's get him in the ring. Come on, molesty. Get in there. See if he can dip your hands in some Yeah, let's do it. Hey, where's the one who was getting molested all the time? Let's get him in the ring. Come on, molesty. Get in there. See if he can dip your hands in some glass, you little fucker.

Yeah, show us your rage, buddy. Now, his older brothers are really good boxers, too. Mike, his brother Mike in 1973 wins the Golden Gloves Flyweight Championship. It's 1977. His brother Sammy wins the Golden Gloves Lightweight title. They're fucking better. They're better, yeah. They're going to be in deep shit if they don't.

1977, his brothers are all crazy legally, too. His brother Sammy is known as an insane driver. He hurt himself very badly in an accident one time. 1977, his brother Mike gets put on 10 years probation for shooting another boxer. Oh, my God. Shooting another boxer. Did he lose the fight? This is a sport where you're allowed to go punch the guy repeatedly

until he is physically unable to continue. Why shoot him? You can just fight him and they'll pay you to do it. Knock his ass out. And it's legal. They'll tape it and everything. You take it home, watch it over and over again. You can even toy with him.

You could like prolong the beating. Do whatever you want. Do whatever you want. Do whatever you want. So he comes up. He's a good amateur fighter, Tony Jr. He is just absolutely... We will get into how good he is. But as far as talent goes, there's really not a lot to compare him to.

In the late 70s. It's just the upper echelon. We'll get to a quote from Lou Duva later, who's a famous boxing trainer. He was Holyfield's guy. And he compares him to some of the greats favorably, as we'll see. And what did he fight in? What weight class? He's 154.

That's his primary weight class. And he goes up to a little bit. And this is the prime time. He's coming of age to where he's coming into it in the early 80s, where it's Leonard Hearns. Really? That middleweight division. And he goes up to middleweight from welterweight.

And it becomes really this focal point of boxing. And it's him. Besides a couple of big heavyweights, obviously, at the time. But before he gets to that, unfortunately, he's 15 years old. Good boy. On December 23, 1978. Yeah, he's a kid. He's a kid at this point. It's two on December 23, 1978. Yeah, he's a kid. He's a kid at this point.

It's two days before Christmas, 1978. He's at a drive-in, the Mission Drive-In Theater in South San Antonio. He goes into the woman's restroom and attacks an 18-year-old girl in the ladies' room. Tore off her pants and underwear. That's a strong kid and underwear punched her several times and smashed her head against the toilet repeatedly while trying to have his way with her

she had a severely bruised kidney and a ruptured bladder he beat this poor woman silly like in the big Lebowski at the beginning ridiculous it's horrible this guy he's 15 years old she was 18 years, it's horrible, this guy. He's 15 years old. No shit. She was 18 years old, this girl.

That's unbelievable. It's insane, right? And at the drive-in, bro, you're supposed to bring your own. Yeah. You don't go grab somebody else's. Who knows? He probably had, because at this point he's got a girlfriend, Lisa Paez, who stays with him for the duration on and off. Bring her, bro.

Who knows? You don't have to go beat up a chick. That's the thing. It's all about rage. It's all about... This guy's got problems. It's substance problems. He starts doing heroin at a young age.

Drinks like a fish. Gets very violent, aggressive, obviously. He's attacking women. And gives chicks swirlies while he rapes them. Now, at the same time, this does him well in the ring. In 1979, he wins the Golden Gloves Middleweight Championship. In 1979? gives chicks swirlies while he rapes them now at the same time this does him well in the ring in 1979 he wins the golden gloves middleweight championship in 79 yeah a year later yeah

wow this is still not all wrapped up yet this is all kind of suspended in midair at this point so they don't know that he did it or what's the deal there he's being charged yeah he says uh and and as a fighter he was just amazing here's a guy named John Whistler who's from the San Antonio Express News and he follows him a lot he's like their sports kind of boxing guy and he says quote he was a phenom and they just protected his career even the local judges everywhere he fought

it was a headline story this was a once in a generation fighter maybe once in a lifetime fighter and it was playing out right here in San Antonio so what he's saying is that this guy is a once in a lifetime type guy and they're letting him go because they see it he's the lebron of boxing he's the lebron of boxing and they're not going to let his reputation be sullied and they're he he's a hometown boy they don't care they just want him to be like lebron they want him to fulfill his potential yeah they just want him to fulfill his potential. They just want him to fulfill his potential.

Further family problems here. 1979, his brother Mike has a WBA featherweight title. This is a big deal. And he was expected to win easily. And he loses because he was on heroin during the fight. What? He took heroin before the fight,

which he said he did several times. Apparently this time didn't work and he ended up losing the fight because he was on heroin. They say when you take heroin, I've never taken heroin, they say when you do heroin, it feels like you're laying in a bathtub and you're drunk. Why the fuck would you want that while you bop? I bet I could hit him better. Haven't you seen Pulp Fiction? When John Travolta's driving that red Cutlass through L.A. and he's just like dazing out. You want to box like that?

I'm not thinking top-tier fighter. No, that's not. Why put all that training? I'm thinking nap time. Yeah. Why throw that training out the window when you can just fight and win? So this comes up again. Maybe it's like golf, though.

And that's like, he's like, I'm better than this guy. I should probably, my handicap on this fight is heroin. It's heroin. My handicap on the next fight, maybe a little bit of weed. But this one is definitely heroin. This one's going to be heroin. If it's somebody better, you take steroids to get up. You get on Craig Titus' regimen and you're perfect.

A handicap box. That'd be amazing if they did that amongst themselves. You get on Craig Titus' regimen and you're perfect. Handicap boxing. That'd be amazing if they did that amongst themselves. Your handicap is seven shots of scotch. Dude, that's fucked up. You know you're better than me. You know you're better than me. You have to be buzzed in some way, shape. Come on, let me stick this needle in.

Come on. It's just a little heroin. Don't worry about it. It's good, buddy. Come here. Tony's handicap is childhood rape. Chasing him with a fucking needle and a spoon. Just, no, hey, come here.

Trying to suck it through a fucking... It's pathetic. So... I love this. March 28th, 1980. I think we're onto something, by the way. That should be a fucking sport. That should be a sport.

Yeah, handicap. Well, not hand. That would sound wrong. Right. Boxing done by handicap. Right. Not handicap. Boxing with a handicap.

Boxing with a handicap. That would sound terrible. I think they do handicap boxing somewhere in a nightclub or something as a gimmick. As a gimmick. 1980, March 28th. All right, go. We're back to his legal troubles with this movie theater incident, with the drive-in incident. In 80?

In 80. This is how long it held on for. It went four years? Yeah, they delayed it. They had motions. I mean, they kicked it around the system. They wanted to let him fight, basically. Kick the can down the line.

So he's sentenced at this point to 10 years in prison because of a plea bargain. Wow. Now, this is all such... Remember in Goodfellas when they first arrest Henry Hill? Yeah. And they're in court and his lawyer winks at the judge and the judge is like, whatever, he calls him up to the bench and you know the fix is in and he's going to get out. This is what I feel

like here. Okay, so he's sentenced to 10 years in prison after pleading guilty to aggravated assault. He was up for aggravated rape, but they ended up... Aggravated rape knocked down to aggravated assault? Assault because he pleads to it

and he gets 10 years and he's released at this point so he can go out on $10,000 bond and he has 10 days to file for a retrial. That's what this bond is, to be able to get his retrial shit together. So now you have a convicted fucking aggravated person out there that will aggravated assault or aggravated rape you. Oh, it gets worse. And they're just like, alright, you got ten days on the lam while we figure this shit out on a retrial. A retrial,

by the way. You have to file for a retrial. You have ten days, apparently, in this particular case. That's what all, I don't know, in 1980 Texas law, I don't know what the fuck they were doing. This is bullshit. So, at this point, he appeals. He gives the woman $40,000 at this point. She comes to the appeal to plead for leniency for him.

What? They pay her off. In exchange for the payoff on the books, it's to not file a civil suit. But she also comes to court and pleads for his leniency. Oh my god. To which they take away the 10-year prison sentence and pleads for his leniency. Oh, my God. To which they take away the 10-year prison sentence and they give him 10 years probation. What?

Tell me that all doesn't sound like a wink and a nod. How the fuck? Yeah. And who knows? There may be some shit going through her head that she's all fucked up and she doesn't know. She could probably really use... I mean, we don't know.

40 grand in the 1980s is a lot of money. In Texas and San Antonio, it was a little more... It's not like... Today, it's getting to be kind of a hip city, I guess, for Texas, I guess. But it wasn't in the 1980s. Well, the Spurs really generated a lot of fucking attention for that town. Now. And they even...

There's an article where they even say, like, this was back then. They're like, you know, the Spurs don't really do anything. This is the attraction of the town is this guy. This guy raping you. This guy, you know. Sure, he does some raping. But he'll give you 40 grand. Tell you what.

You go to a drive-in theater in San Antonio, it's going to be an exciting night. That's all I'm going to tell you. That's it. You might like the movie. That's it. You might have to go to the bathroom at the wrong time. But either way, it's going to be exciting.

It's fucking nuts. So come on down. Bring the kitties, why don't you? Bring the kitties. You might want to go to the bathroom at the wrong time. But either way, it's going to be exciting. It's fucking nuts. So come on down. Bring the kitties, why don't you? Bring the kitties. You might want to go with them into the bathroom. I'm not sure. But still, there may be something going on with her that she's messed up from this assault. I'm sure there is.

But how much threatening must have gone on to get her to do that? They needed to clear the way for June 17, 1980, because that's his professional debut. Oh, Jesus, yeah. So they needed this shit over with for that. He makes his professional debut against a gentleman named Zip Castillo, which you know... Sounds like a bum. Sounds like a fucking tomato can, like from the beginning of Rocky. Exactly.

Like one of those guys fighting in front of 14 people. Zip Castilloillo he kicks the living shit out of zip castillo i'm sure he did he rips through the box he's untouchable i mean they are just they're like 18 year old girls in a you know drive-in he's and he's like mike tyson because he's 17 years old yeah think about that it's 1980 he's 17 and he is knocking the shit out of people yeah and it's wild everybody here's lou duva what he said about him and lou duva look him up he is his first silver-haired middle-aged white man something about boxing there he ayala has so many boxing has the most silver really does white men in this episode it's everybody has one attorneys judges legislators

trainers he's already had one psychologist back in the courthouse there's already been one there's in this episode. Everybody has one. Attorneys, judges, legislators, trainers, managers. He's already had one. Psychologist in prison. Back in the courthouse. There's already been one. There's already been one. Well, here's Lou Duva, his second. Lou Duva is as silver as they come,

white hair. He's the fat guy in the corner with Evander Holyfield. All right. He says, quote, forget Sugar Ray Leonard, forget Marvin Hagler, and yeah, forget Mike Tyson.

Rocky Marciano and Tony Ayala were the guys not even Muhammad Ali great as he was had it quite like those two wow that's what the guy who's seen it all says that kind of talent that's he said it's him and Rocky Marciano the only undefeated heavyweight champion in the history of boxing yeah so that's what he's saying not even Ali not Tyson never mind this polarizing as they are, right. This Sugar Ray Leonard crap. This guy matters. This guy's the guy.

Promoter Bob Arum, who's the biggest boxing promoter, he puts Don King to shame as far as what a large-scale events and I'm sure thievery that he partakes in. Promoter Bob Arum said he's, quote, this is the guy, he is the boxing promoter for 60 years, says, quote, the best young fighter I've ever seen in my life. Angelo Dundee, who's Muhammad Ali's trainer, the corner man, says, quote,

there's no telling what he can do. He's going to be a champion. These are the, they know more than anybody in boxing, and they're like, best I've ever seen. Never seen anything like it before. Unbelievable. He's amazing. So this lets you know that he was going to be

or he was one of the best ever. Ever, ever, ever. He's not even he's in his teens. He's a fucking teenager. And he's a kid.

And they're summer of 81. He's featured in a cover story on Sports Illustrated for being a rising star in boxing. 18 years old. 80, 81 he moves to New Jersey

after he's arrested for ransacking a neighbor's house while drunk. They literally told him, like, why don't you go somewhere else for a while? And he applies to have his probation moved to New Jersey and all that shit because he's on hardcore probation. So how does he

have time for this shit? This guy, he finds the time for a lot of shit. And then September 16th, 1981 he fights on the undercard of the big, famous Sugar Ray Leonard-Thomas Hearns fight. Really? Yeah, Hitman Hearns and Sugar Ray Leonard. This is a big, this is a famous fight.

And he fought the undercard for this. He was in the undercard for that. So he's moving, now they're even putting him on. Who did he destroy that night? I don't have it right here. He's even, like, putting it on, like, you know, I mean, he's on marquee matchups now. You know what I mean? Like, it's not the he's the undercard of the big deal yeah he fought jose bacquedano that night

that was the fight i believe where he spit on him after he was beating him up he knocked him down and spit on him and went in the corner and it was a big deal he's an angry fucking guy they made a big deal about that they were like whoa you can't be spitting on me. Even Mike Tyson, after he'd ripped your head off, would come over and say, I love you. You're a special person. I haven't met in my life. I'm so sorry about that.

I'm so sorry. You're such a wonderful fighter. They made me do it for the money. Yeah, literally. Even when he was at his most animalistic, he'd go, I love you very much. I'm sorry I had to hit you like that. But it was this guy.

Fuck you. I'm going crazy person. Crazy person. So now October 15th, 1982, Eyal is arrested for breaking into a home. This is arrest number three. Now this one, keep in mind how he does this too.

He enters through, this is probably arrest number 10. He had a lot of little arrests along the way that just aren't publicized that he talks about that are unfindable. But it's, you know, 70s Texas. You're not going to find juvenile records versus 1970s Texas anywhere. So look, trust me, it's you know 70s texas you're not going to find juvenile records for 1970s texas

anywhere so i look trust me it's not there so he enters through a bathroom window this is important not he avoids breaking or knocking down the radio or any of the knickknacks that were on the windowsill so he's a slick yeah enter so keep that in mind prowler. He was still in the home when the police arrived. So, hard to deny it. He was drunk, as usual. Most of these things we'll find, he's staggering blind drunk. Drunk, but still has the wherewithal to skip over the shelf with all

the knickknacks on it. Absolutely. That's what I mean. He's that drunk and he's still that cat burglar. He's found in the place with some of the homeowner's possessions in his pockets. So you don't get any more red-handed than that. No, it's done. But you would expect now, okay, he's got a record. He's on probation.

He's breaking into people's houses. Lock him up for a little bit. We're going to lock him up for a little bit, teach him a lesson. No. Charges are dropped when the homeowner, James Carpentier, accepts a $3,000 payment in exchange to drop everything. This is all arranged by the DA also. He was the middleman for all this.

You have to accept it at that point because otherwise there's a very slick predator that can get into your house at any time and knows where you live and he's a fucking monster. Let's add this up. Now he has raped violently and he's slickly snuck into a house yeah okay these are his

skills at this cost him 43 grand so far let's keep that in the back of our minds okay mitt is no telling what his lawyers have cost right he's got a team of them is there a they're silver-haired as they come and expensive jimmy is there like a team of like burglars that are like that house is really easy you need to handicap that one that's it you do that yo put some clock radios and shit you have to go through

the window with the clock radios and the candles that are burning put one of them clear plastic vase things with the little bead shits

that women put put them in there put them in there little beads that women put up for no reason you knock one over you lose

they're just like purple and silver but if you get over, you're free to take anything in the house. Anything. It's open season. Fill your pockets.

I like that. Different neighborhoods should have that. It'll cost a little less. No HOA. It'll be perfect. So boxing-wise, going great.

1982, he's on the cover of Ring magazine, which Ring is like the boxing magazine. It's the flex. It's the flex, the variety,

the source, if you will of uh of the rolling stone of uh whatever boxing magazines now he fights on august 1st 1982 he fights robbie epps now the robbie epps fight he's this is a guy who's former formerly trained by his father and he had left the camp and apparently had been talking some shit about the Ayala clan. Oh, that's not a good move. Tony is not a happy guy. I believe it's the third round. He knocks the shit out of him.

Knocks him down and does not stop beating him. The ref can't get him off him. Literally, Lou Duva and the corner people have to pull him off the guy as he's pummeling his downed body at this point. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. And it takes forever to get Lou off a stool to cheer you on. He wasn't even spry in 82. I'm saying that Epps took a wallop before Duva got in there.

It's like Luigi who's been on vacation for like, you know, 20 years. And he's had some cannoli and he's just been relaxing. So, yeah, he's almost disqualified. That's how bad he does this he ends up winning the fight anyway because he just pummels this poor robbie epps guy um so he's having problems at this point a lot of problems as you can tell emotional issues so much so that on august 24th 1982 he checks himself into a clinic in san antonio for a minimum of 30 days. Yeah. That's his sign-on. It is for substance abuse and, quote, an attempt to solve emotional problems.

Emphasis on attempt, I get a feeling. Emphasis on attempt, which, I mean, this makes sense. You were brutalized as a child. Yeah. So this lashing out makes sense. Yeah.

But... And guys are talking shit about you. Yeah. And you're completely unstable in the first place it's gonna it's gonna rear its head at some point yeah and he's managed to keep away from assaulting women so far that we know of anyway who knows what he's been doing that hasn't been reported but whatever so i mean and when he goes in dan duva who's lou duva's brother and part of the training team said of him quote tony has a drinking problem but it's not as if he needs

to drink this is by the way the most racist comment we've ever heard in crime sports i need to preface it with this because when you listen be listening for it i can't wait quote tony has a drinking problem but it's not as if he needs to drink the problem is that he can't drink it's like fire water he was brought up in an old-fashioned mexican home that's colliding with the present realities he's definitely has emotional problems he is not a criminal he just he doesn't need to be put in jail silver is that his silver hair even for a racist he's still sticking up for him he's like he's a stupid drunk mexican but oh he's okay i got him it's all right not that's what he said he's racist as fuck not only is he's all right. That's what he's saying. He's racist as fuck. Not only is he verbally knocking the shit out of Mexicans,

he throws in fire water as a jab at the Indians. He's saying, yeah, he's like, Indians can't handle the alcohol, and this guy, he's a Mexican, but he's like an Indian Mexican. This Mexican's like Sitting Bull with the booze. Jesus Christ. And he says he's not a criminal. He does not need to be put in jail. What an asshole.

Because he's silver haired. That's so sweet and mean at the same time. Absolutely. Well, he's just like, I wish this stupid Mexican would stop drinking so I can make millions of dollars off him. Jesus Christ already. Leave the tequila alone, Jose. He's 18 years old. It's time for him to start lying in our pockets.

Fuck. That's what silver hairedired middle-aged white men do brush it under the rug so they can extract the money in their pockets it's insane uh so august 25th 1982 this is the next day uh during the 24-hour period of that day twice his san ayalis san antonio him home him san antonio home is hit by gunfire shotgun blasts wow twice right he wasn't home he's in the fucking loony bin basically but they're shooting up his house while they're shooting up his house and the fuck his father tony senior was standing outside the house while a bunch of reporters so he lives with his folks no no this is his home but he wasn't home and

the father went there to you know shoo him off the lawn. Right. And his father, to a group of reporters, said, thanks to you people, this is what happened. His father's amazing. Oh, that's good. Thanks to you people. Fucking media.

You fucking ass, you jackals. And this is in 82. This isn't even like paparazzi. This is like... This is pre-OJ. This is probably four... This is San Antonio in the 80s. They got a newspaper guy, maybe a sports guy, one radio dude.

Fucking Riverwalk. What? The Channel 4 evening news anchors out there on the scene. Who's there? You people. They're like, what? Tony, you know us. It's 82 degrees.

It's clear. We're standing on ILO's front lawn. This is where we do the news from. Zoom in on the pellets as they hit the thing. Throw it over to weather. He's got the green screen thrown up in Aiello's window. Yeah. Jesus Christ. So after all this

he's having a shit time. He's had his arrest problems again. So his wife leaves him at this point, 1982 after the arrest thing. In 82 he's married? Yeah, he's married already. He's 19 years old. He's 18 years old. And he's married. He's married. Having his house shot up. He's in a's married already. He's 19 years old. He's 18 years old. And he's married. He's married, 19 years old. Having his house shot up.

Having his house shot up. He's in a loony bin. He's done more in 19 years. He's had a full life. Snuffed up in my entire life. I've never raped anybody ever. No. And he did it by the time he was 15.

He got raped. He did some raping. Knocked out a chick. Knocked out a bunch of dudes. Oh, full grown men. Broke into houses. Had his shit shot up. He's 19 years old.

He's had a full life already. Owns a house and has a wife he's already beat rape charges too I mean that's he's had that's adult shit

beating a rape charge that's a big deal that's an adult asshole thing to do that's like a 37 year old thing so yeah at this point he's contemplating suicide

and he contemplated suicide and in their own in their own words here about his suicide here we go he says quote i definitely considered suicide it was an option i stuck my gun in my mouth i mean i really love my wife and she just left me how could you blame her no shit yes yes and no shit that's a very answer to that it's a

very obvious statement man so after all this he's out of the loony bin now. It's November 20th, 1982. It's in Convention Hall. It's a convention hall in Atlantic City, New Jersey. He defeats Carlos Maria Del Valle Herrera. That's a fucking name. That's a name. Thank God he didn't commit a crime. That's a beautiful name.

That's a man that gets laid a lot. I wouldn't want to have to say every five, like if we did an episode on him. So Maria Del Valle Herrera does this and that. Maria Del Valle Herreras, it would be fucking really exhausting. That's a shit Twitter handle, too. Yeah, you have to shorten that, because I can't fit James Petrigallo. They won't let me have that. De La Villanueva, whatever his fucking name is. I can't have Jay Petrigallo, because of some cock-sucking attorney in Pittsburgh. So I get Jimmy P is funny.

Anyway, moving on. So this is the setup for a title fight. This is it. This is this. He needed to win this bout and he's getting the next thing as a title fight. He is in line. He signs a $750,000 deal to fight for the title in the next match here.

It's against Davey Moore and it's supposed to be in May of 1983. So this is the coronation. I mean, he's going to rip Davey Moore's head off. I mean, it's a known thing. He's going to kill this guy. It's a coronation, man. I mean, imagine his Christmas that year.

It must have felt great. There's white smoke coming from the chimney like the Pope. It's like Norman Rockwell in there. You see there's this little, oh, it's amazing. They're drinking cocoa by the fire. It's beautiful. He got a little Red Ryder BB gun. It snowed like a son of a bitch in San Antonio.

Yeah, he's on, it comes out early. He's on the January 83 cover of KO Magazine. Oh my God. Which, by the way, you can get on eBay a copy of this autographed by Tony Ayala Jr. for $29.95. Buy it now.

That's a deal. That's a deal. That's not bad. He's on the cover looking young and shit. Yeah. Smiling, looking all... Post-rape.

And he looks great. But he's 19, for Christ's sake. But, I mean, still, the coronation... I mean, these next five months

are just going to be him just puffing himself up getting ready to take a head off. Right? I mean, that's what you expect. That's what I expect. New Year's Day,

1983, is the only problem because in the Rose Manor Estates in San Antonio where he has an apartment, Ayala breaks into a neighbor's apartment.

What the fuck? Oh, I'm sorry, this is in West Patterson, New Jersey, the Rose Manor Estates where he has an apartment yeah ayala breaks into a neighbor's apartment what the fuck it's oh i'm sorry this is in west patterson new jersey the rosemary states where he is he is shit-faced beyond drunk breaks into a neighbor's apartment a female neighbor's apartment oh no she's woken up now this is the scariest thing i've ever heard this like this is frightening if you're if this is like i would assume that women if they live alone if they're frightened of anything this is what they're frightened of i would think okay she is woken up by the sound of her bedroom doorknob opening oh jesus think about that okay it's a 30 year old woman she said she could see him by the light of her alarm clock which sounds so that's how you would film a scary scene i mean you would be like just the 12

o'clock whether it's the red numbers or the green ones whatever either way you would yeah you'd want the red ones to set the tone of the fear and he entered by cutting a screen and going through the kitchen window without breaking anything with all the knickknacks exactly so he has practiced all of his crimes coming to fruition here. He has an M.O. now. All of his practice rounds are adding up here. He pulls out a knife.

Oh no. The one he cut the screen with I assume. He cuts her underwear off of her with a knife which is fucking horrific. Frightening. As frightening as it comes.

He ties her to the bed using her socks. This is an awful person. This is the worst thing ever this fucking guy is so personal is a complete and utter she'll never wear those socks ever again never never first of all they're stretched to come right they're never gonna stay elastic is gone because i assume they'd have to be like those long 70s socks that go up to your knees with three stripes falling down a tie you falling down. You can't, you know, one that comes up past under your ankle. It's like when you wear it with shorts. You're not going to, you can't tie a woman to that.

That's neither here nor there, though. But this horrible scene is ensuing. He ties her, rapes and sodomizes her. Oh, God. Because he has to go around the fucking horn here. He can't just, not to make a joke, but jesus christ this guy's a maniac it's all free you may as well he's a maniac so then he goes into the next room which is her roommate's room 29 year old female roommate tells the roommate that your roommate's all tied up in

the other room um and i'll kill you both if you call the police that's what she says so he goes back to her leaves her i don't know what he thought he was shit-faced drunk and just he didn't think this out real clearly he the roommate then crawls out of her first floor window by the way little side note does not break any bones no legs because we have calcium in this fucking country thank you sorry uk but eat a cheese stick. Listen to Gavin Grant episode 12 if you don't know what we're talking about.

I think it's 11 or 12. So anyway, back to this horrific nightmare of a scene here. She takes off, runs to a neighbor's house, calls the police. The police arrive.

Leaves her tied up with a madman with a knife. Well, I mean, she did go to call the police. I mean, that's smart. She had to go. This is pre-cell phones.

She was probably next. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who knows? She doesn't know if he mean, that's smart. She had to go. This is pre-cell phones, too. She was probably next. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who knows? She doesn't know if he's killing her in there. You've got to find... He had a goddamn knife. You've got to get safety. Yeah.

That's so scary. You've got to go to safety, and you've got to try to help. You've got choices to make. And she made the right one. Yeah. But just leaving and having that thought in the back of your mind has to be so terrifying. It had to be. But, I mean, that's just fight or flight, I think, at that point.

Yeah. You've got to go get help. Exactly. You've got to go get help. There's no cell phone. She probably didn't even have a phone in her room at that point in 1983 not every bedroom came in the phone jack you know no they don't now either because we don't use them anymore right but for a while there every room had a goddamn phone jack so the police arrive at 5 30 in the morning uh this because this happened at 3 45 or four o'clock find ayala

wandering around the complex wearing only his jeans no shirt no shoes just wandering around in a night he tells the cops they say buddy what are you doing he says i'm just going to the car to get my cigarettes and they go actually you fit the description of a guy who just he's got a knife and is cutting shit off the chicks and tying them up with the stuff one of the parts of the description was you could smell the booze on him from eight feet away and the cops said whoa this guy reeks also so they pick him up obviously right so that's on the that's the morning of new year's day january 15th he's released on 75 000 bond what you let this guy out in the streets they let this guy on the streets this is his second time he's he's raped

a woman second time now he's he's combined them into one big super and now it's not just fists he's got a legit weapon he's got a knife and he is assaulting women making threats of killing them anyone who comes into someone's home to assault them in the middle of the night that's the worst person it's the worst person that's the worst because it's like if you go in the ocean you get bit by a shark you're like well i was in the ocean so that can happen if i'm in my living room and i get bit by a shark i'm surprised at that it shouldn't happen it's never happened ever ever i'm pretty sure it hasn't happened no i would be shocked if it did right so except for this this guy's clearly a predator

he's clearly a shark and he is a shark is in her bedroom raping her yeah it's it's unbelievable so he's he's uh now he has to sign an extradition waiver or two to take him out of the state because he's got to go back. At this point he's saying he's totally innocent. He says he'll cooperate in any way possible. Hey, he's down. I want to straighten this out. Okay, this is all I want to do.

He attains, this is what a, he has like a team of silver-haired middle-aged white men here at work. And you can tell. Now flip a coin to see who's going in. Listen to what they do. Listen to this clever, disgusting shit. Thank God it doesn't work, but it could. January 8th, 1983, he attains a state legislature member as an attorney.

Because the guy's also a private attorney. Wow. He retains him as an attorney he's not really working the case but he's giving him a retainer therefore he works for him right now texas law has a requirement that if you that if that happens that you must wait until 30 days after the legislative session is over for that case to go on clever so that's what he did what an ass that would delay it till july yeah from january he go on clever so that's what he did what an ass that would delay it till july yeah from january he's got a fight and guess what he does and yeah guess

what he would be doing winning a title trying to do that so he's trying to stay out that's the thing it's amazing uh it's in the whole time they're denying that they're saying this is consensual okay they're i don't know how you can even, Yeah. But he tries. Okay? His attorney, William DeMarco,

who is, good God, his hair is so silver it would blind you if you shined a flashlight on it, said, quote, the way they would publicly say shit about women back then

is amazing too. Like, if you said this now, this guy would be in hiding. He'd just barf. He'd be in hiding. People would be picketing his house for christ's sake or he'd be running for president or either one he'd be a mogul he says william de marco says quote there was a reason why she didn't resist because she was a willing participant with what happened he met he meets a girl the

morality of what happened isn't our decision and then look how easy it is to point a finger. Jesus! That's what he says. That man's never been scared of anything in his life. No, no. Never. Because fear cripples you. Yeah. And it paralyzes you.

And it's so much so that it allows somebody with a knife and that 12 o'clock red glow on their face to, it allows them to tie you up with your own fucking socks. That's what fear does to you. And this guy has never had that, obviously, in his life. Unbelievable. I don't think he's ever felt anything like that because he... It's even worse. I mean, he says...

And even Iala says, I didn't do nothing that she didn't want me to do. That's his quote on the thing, right? All right. She asked for those Hanes to be stuffed in her mouth. They argued... Their argument was she invited him in. So he is reeking, stumbling, falling over drunk at 4 o'clock in the morning.

And she's like, why don't you come in here and tie me up and completely dismantle me. Who's there? Oh, it's just me. Come in here and fuck me. You sound so drunk. This is going to be fun. Unreal. That's what I mean.

That's his argument. It's just me. And the defense attorney, Mr. Silver Hair himself, is over there going, can you believe this bitch? Can you believe this woman? That's what he's saying. Dirty bitch. Women, right? If you can't forcibly sodomize a woman, who can you?

I mean, he used his socks. It's not like he used a piano wire to tie her up. His socks are gentle. It's nylon. It's soft. It's meant to caress your skin. Unbelievable. Yeah, that statement absolutely would come out of Donald

Trump's mouth. I'm positive. I can see that. And he would spin his way out of it. But a lawyer who said that publicly would be disbarred. Horrible. He'd be in hiding. That's all it was. People would be attacking him on Twitter. He wouldn't be able to sleep. Oh, he'd have to delete his Twitter account. He would. He'd have to. Yeah, they'd suspend it. It would blow his phone up. Just the

notifications alone. So this is going on. He does not get this they go to trial the legislature thing didn't work they said it's not even your primary attorney good that's not going to work moving forward yeah sorry to the next silver and white man if you're going to fight again it's going to be because you've got to quit it not because you're waiting for trial so april 7th 1983 a forensic chemist testifies at the trial. Listen to this. They bring a forensic chemist in to say that the screen in the window was cut with a sharp object from the outside. Okay.

So, I mean, you could just look at it and tell. It's pretty obvious. But they bring a forensic chemist in to show the jury, like, see? Like, that's how much they want this guy locked up. I know my screens. At this point. Yeah. The screen was found 25 feet from the window, so he, like, cut it and just threw it.

Drunk it. I don't need that. Just haphazardly tossed it out into the courtyard of the apartment complex. I could just see it. Yeah, I don't need that. He tried to ball it up. Yeah. A picture of him drunk like Dan Aykroyd in Trading Place.

Yes, when he's got the salmon in his beard just trying to eat it. Just, like, groaning at people. So then, as the trial progresses, again, William Asshole DeMarco here. Oh my God. Says that the charges were a result of, quote, a nosy woman who called the police when she couldn't figure out what was going on behind closed doors with her roommate, which is nobody's business. Wow. That's what she called her a nosy woman the woman who crawled from a window he wanted to say bitch he wanted so bad that's a nosy woman back then it's like she's just a busy body god for nosy bitch poor woman to crawl from her window at four o'clock in the morning

to go to a neighbor's house to bang on the door and pray for help because her friend's being raped in the next room nosy he wrote that

nosy in a red leather chair in a room filled with books and a cigar and a glass several glasses of scotch and he got

seven deep and he's like I can't call her a bitch I have to say and a shit load of people's souls, I can't call her a bitch. I have to say. And a shitload of people's souls in the jars on the shelves of the wall. I have to say woman.

I have to say it. Like a woman. Nosy bitch. Woman. I'm going to say nosy. That'll make her sound illegitimate and stupid. That'll discredit her.

So the press at this point was saying Tony Sr. is a bad parent. Because his one son, you know, did heroin and lost his fight and then shot another fighter and his other son's been arrested for rape twice now drunkenly breaking into neighbors homes so parenting because he's only 19 yeah this isn't like hey he was fine when he left the house now he's 42 i don't know what the fuck he's doing this is he's 19 he was just living at home last year so i mean it comes into question so he says this which is amazing tony senior his dad said his dad this is a great quote from his dad this is awesome quote i don't know why people have created the

image that i abused my kids look don't tell me chris everett's father didn't do the same thing or jimmy connor's mother oh my god you don't hear nobody knocking them why me i don't know because jimmy connor's never raped anybody you fucking asshole chris everett never broke into a woman's home and cut her panties off with a knife that never happened she's a woman chris everett a woman tennis player jimmy connor's i don't know why he picked tennis players only out of this group yeah what the fuck is that tennis players is that what you're watching dad he apparently was watching tennis that day he's like look at this jimmy connors nobody's saying his dad's a bad dad asshole but it's me it's me i'm the jerk all right fine i'm the asshole just because my kids rape a couple of people shoot a fellow boxer what come on so april 13 1983, this trial comes to an end, and Ayala is found guilty, shocker, after only three and a half hours of jury deliberation.

They were like, yeah, the women said that he was the guy, yeah, knife, yeah, screen, okay, yeah, that's good. We're all good? All right, let's order pizza before we get out of here. It took that long to go through the formalities of like, okay, with this charge, and they all had to write it down on a piece of paper and read them off. That's the only reason why it took three and a half hours. It's 8 a.m., but we're already here, so let's just wait three more hours, get some pizza, and then we'll worry about this. After we eat, we'll go in,

because then we're going to have to talk to people. Go in there on an empty stomach. We're going to be here all day. So they convict him of burglary, aggravated sexual assault, two counts of possession of a knife for unlawful purposes, threatening to kill, and terroristic threats.

This is what he's convicted of. Judge Sanders at this point. That's a laundry list, mind you. That's a laundry list. At 19 years old, that's where he's at. That's where he's going. And so he's on probation for a sexual assault. That's right. So this isn't like, hey, it's my first offense.

He's literally on the hook for the same fucking thing he just did. He's already a two-time loser. He's right. So this isn't like, hey, it's my first offense. He's literally on the hook for the same fucking thing he just did. He's already a two-time loser. He's already a two-time loser. So May 25th, 1983, Judge Amos C. Sanders denies their request

for a new trial, obviously, no reason to, that they sought a new trial based on jury misconduct. They never say how or why and they don't go into it. It's the pizza. They were like, they sat in there an extra half hour.

Those bastards sat in there. They got pepperoni. They were told no toppings. The state was giving them extra little bonus. I saw that sauce. I saw it on the cheek. I saw it. June 20th, 1983.

It's sentencing time. Uh-oh. And old Amos C. Sanders has cooked himself up a nice little quote for uh mr ayala here fantastic he sat in a room he in a red leather chair filled with books and was like no scotch i'm doing this one dry run he knew this would be in the paper too like this wasn't like this wasn't a hooker that he was sent to in the morning this is my hamlet he says this is beautiful quote the future was his unfortunately underneath that handsome exterior there seems to be another antonio ayala mr ayala is a definite threat to society and especially the women in our society the circumstances of this crime are

certainly one of extreme violence and depravity. This happened on the victim's birthday. For the rest of her life, whenever she celebrates her birthday, she will remember that night of terror. You, sir, may fuck off. 15 to 35 years you may fuck off for.

That's deep. 15 is the minimum by the way. That is his earliest parole. You spent 15 years cleaning and mopping and being the best person ever. You sir may fuck off. No doubt. That's a fuck off. A well-deserved fuck off, too. Because he said...

A well-deserved fuck off. The best part is that he... This is our mission statement again. Thank you. No, and wait till you read a quote. That's the ultimate judge one, and wait till you read a quote that's that's the ultimate judge one and wait till you read the ultimate perp quote later on because it's the it's that we should just read it standard for everybody we do because it's the same story they might not say this quote but they should because

this is what their story means and as he's sitting there and this judge says the first statement the future was his tony in his head right there a man whispered in his ear how is it that you have become too funny yes that's not the point that's not this point that point is coming up that point is coming up 15 to 35 is not rock bottom no fuck all right it's not let's hear it it's so how is it that you've come to find yourself here defense attorney peter j demarco who's the other guy's brother i believe believe, and another two DeMarcos got into law. DeMarco and DeMarco. Yeah.

He said they're going to appeal, of course. He said, quote, I know no one here today has any sort of sympathy for Tony Ayala, but there is no doubt that this ordeal has created a broken human being. Yeah. No. The woman that he terrorized. Not him. Not him, fella.

You silver-haired asshole. No. Jesus Christ. I picture him and his brother on TV in midday, right in Judge Judy breaks going, have you been accused of rape? Yeah. We will make that bitch look terrible. Call the team of DeMarco and DeMarco.

Was there a nosy woman that set you up? Did she call the cops just because she was nosy and didn't know what was going on behind closed doors? Call DeMarco and DeMarco. Was she not getting any and she was jealous? Is that what happened? Just every horrible male rapist excuse. You make those bitches look horrible.

Ugh, scumbags. Utter scumbags these people are. They're worse than him. Yeah. They are worse than him. The worst men ever. You have to defend the people. I get everybody has a right to a defense, but you don't have to say shit like that. No.

You don't have to say shit like that. God, that's so vile. You don't have to say nosy woman. You don't have to say shit like that you don't have to say shit like god that's so vile you don't have to say nosy woman you have to say shit like that and be a total when we know you want to call her a bitch you sexist dick so at this point this makes me mad even though it really doesn't mean anything it still pisses me off he appeals the sentence from there's a appeal like board a special board you don't have to go to this judge and his sentence is reduced to 15 to 30 years instead of 15 to 35. It's still 15 minimum, but it's even that five. I'm like, no, no, they should have gave him another five. After reviewing your case, we decided that's not nearly long enough.

We're going to go with 20 to 55. He was up. He was up for 50. 50 was the max he could get. So, I mean, I don't know what mitigating evidence, I guess the fact that I don't even know, because he doesn't even come out with his past to use as an excuse yet. That's the other thing. That doesn't even come until later. Even in this case, like, whatever, I'm not in San Antonio, it's not 1983, but even sitting here today as a 35-year-old man, I would look at that and go, yeah, sounds like the last one. Minus upping the ante

to the fucking knife. Yeah. He's accelerating. Yes. And somebody's dying next time. He threatened to kill both of them. Jeffrey Dahmer didn't start eating people,

putting their heads in the freezer to begin with. He crushed them in bones and spun them around in the woods. And then he started going, oh, maybe if I do this. Maybe if I hang on to them longer. Right.

Maybe I can fuck their brains. Right. Put the dick in the fridge. So 1983, he's sitting in prison. Yeah. And he hits kind of a low point here. He's sitting in the jail. He says he scored some weed and smoked some weed in jail.

And he was sitting in his cell watching MASH, the TV show MASH. What a horrible day. That does sound... MASH and prison doesn't get more depressing than that. 15 to 35 of that shit? I don't know if people love MASH, but good Lord. if I hear that music, I just want to open a fucking vein. I can't take it. It shaped me when I was five.

I can't take it. It was the show my mom used to watch every time it came on. And that music is torture for me now. It's the worst. Because that music does not define what's about to happen in that show. No, none of that show. It's silly as hell. It's the worst opening of

any show ever he says at this point he realized how he'd screwed up his life and then he needed to get back on track you know because he was sitting in jail stoned and laughing going i'm i'm just so laughing at mash while i'm in prison i should get my shit together not even the a team no mention of you know i gotta make this better for the people i hurt or anything like that just i gotta get my shit together yeah um august 1983 he starts counseling in prison which he can't hurt at this point and he needs something because he did have a whatever we need something okay yeah he gets he gets really into counseling i mean i think he this is a way where where he can say things and people will tell him it's okay what he did a lot of the time. Minus judgment. Minus judgment.

Especially the person who he talks to a lot is probably the worst enabler. His prison psychologist is the worst enabler of this entire story. Really? So he's the white, silver-haired man in this whole entire fucking thing. So he starts that. He eventually becomes a counselor to the other prisoners. Get out of here.

Not like a schooled counselor, but he takes the front line. What do they call that? Peer mediation or some shit? Yeah, in 1994-ish that happens. He admits to using heroin before three of his fights that he had. So he's doing it too. He was doing heroin before three of his fights that he had. So he's doing it too.

He was doing heroin before three of his fights. And he was killing people on heroin. So, I mean, Jesus. He was numbing himself and still doing it. Also, he admitted to, before a fight, he had a weigh-in in New Jersey for the fight. I think it was Atlantic City. He then went from, because a weigh-in is the day of the fight. Usually the guys go back.

They rest up. They do their cardio. They get their hand out. Take your wrists and get in. He instead drove to New York City, bought a bunch of crack, and smoked it on the way back to go fight. What the fuck? And then went and fought that night.

That's how he's going to cut weight? Yeah, cracked out. This was after the weigh-in. Ah, crack. He went and got a bunch of crack. Now imagine this crazed lunatic coming at you with crack in his eyes. Holy shit. Unbelievable.

That's scary. Not as scary as the knife point alarm clock. Yeah. Romancing. If I had to judge between the two of what I want coming at me, I want none of them. None of them coming at me. I'd rather have Tom Payne coming at me. I'd rather have a toddler with a shitty diaper and it's leaking everywhere than that shit.

Easy. That's horrible. Now, he's already in prison at this point, September 16th, 1983. Now he has to go to a hearing for his 78 probation. That's still going on, too, because this is in New Jersey. That was in Texas. Somehow he has really fucked up a stretch of five years. He has fucked up bad.

Somehow he has really fucked up a stretch of five years. He has fucked up bad. So he goes to court for that, and he says, this quote from him is ridiculous too, he says, in their own words to the judge while he's begging for whatever, he says, quote, I'm very, very sorry. I just hope to someday get an opportunity to prove myself. I ask for your mercy, Your Honor. I ask the court to please consider that I learned a lesson.

End quote. What lesson have you learned? There's no lesson. You progressed in your shittiness. You know what the lesson was? Don't rape. Don't rape. Don't break into places and don't be an asshole. Obey the law. Obey. I know that lesson. Just that law. When I was 17, I knew that lesson.

I don't care if you steal shit from 7-Eleven. I don't even care about that. And don't steal pussy you steal shit from 7-Eleven. I don't even care about that. And don't steal pussy. That's all I ask. At gunpoint, knife point, even worse. Nothing. So Judge Mike Machado isn't buying this shit. And he says, quote, Mr. Ayala, you stood before this court some years before and made the same promise you make now.

Gave him 10 years. You, sir, may fuck off again. You're already in prison, but you're going to fuck off again you're already in prison but you're gonna fuck off again yeah and he this it doesn't matter though because this is to be

served concurrently so he's in there for a minimum of 15 anyway so whatever pack it on what's the difference so

he whispered you may fuck off you may yeah he said you sir you know what why don't you go fuck off

don't tell anybody you may or may not fuck off don't tell anybody so the family keeps going January 30th 1984 his brother why don't you go fuck off? Fuck off. Don't tell anybody. May or may not. Fuck off. Don't tell anybody. So the family keeps going. January 30th, 1984, his brother,

his little brother, Pauly Ayala, makes his professional debut with a win. Wins a $400 purse that night. Oh boy. Yeah. He's not quite as good. He had a couple amateur losses.

He was socking it away. Yeah, he was really hooking it up. Tony claims in 1984 that Sylvester Stallone approached him about making his life story into a movie i kind of believe this too because stallone is into the boxing stuff and it could be full of shit but they are also looking for true stories back then and back then this they didn't make the law yet where you couldn't profit off your crimes so you could still write books and

sell movies and shit if you were in prison so i believe this and it's an interesting story especially for a boxer it's like the prequel to rocky or something rocky didn't rape anybody rocky did rape anybody if we delete all that shit and then delete the rape rape rape talk about journeyman time uh so he said diala said he didn't want to do the stallone movie because there's no other way the movie could end besides with him going to prison. Which, true. I guess I don't know if he's too much for his delicate sensibilities to see himself portrayed in such a negative light. Sylvester figured out how to make a boxing movie

end without that. Here's a serendipitous meeting. Psychologist, prison psychologist, Brian Raddatz. He's the guy who latches on to Ayala and Ayala is his buddy. And he tells him everything. At one point

Ayala says he's the person he trusts most in the world. I mean he's all about this Brian Raddatz asshole. He says he's the only at this point he tells him about his molestation. And he said he never told his parents he never told anybody about it. It was a big deal um and

it's it's crazy because he's he he keeps going through counseling as a guy that has had that happen to him how does he and knowing how hard it is to talk about that pain how does he go forward and cause that way worse pain to a woman who's now going to deal with that the rest of her fucking life how could you how could you shall we act that onto somebody shall we see how let's see how in their own words how someone should do that this is this is uh this is tony ayala jr on we'll say it's on raping we'll say this is his thoughts on raping. In their own words. I mean, that's gorgeous.

I don't have a lot of, you don't, there's no quotes from me saying, this is his thoughts on raping. I don't have that. Here's Tony Hilo on camping. Here's Tony Hilo on raping. Dorf on raping.

So, he says, quote, I wanted to impose myself on a woman as my way of proving my straightness, my heterosexuality, which goes back to my being abused, being sodomized, being pushed into things I didn't want to do

and blaming myself, thinking somehow I invited the situation. That makes a lot of fucking sense. That's his excuse. And technically, that's the urges that that can cause in a person, but you still don't have to cut their screen door out and rape them at night.

Here's the other thing. That's the thing. That's the difference. You're married. Yeah. Go prove your straightness on your wife, not some girl that's not judging you and calling you gay, sleeping in her bedroom.

And his wife sticks with him through the case. She says, of the whole rape thing, she says, quote, I was in denial. I said it was consensual sex. It was a setup. It was a frame job. Of course she wants it. I believed that for three years until he told me what happened. So apparently he finally admitted this, what happened by then.

He says, and this is the quote that this is everybody, every single criminal should just have this on their forehead that we cover because this is their story. This is their mission statement. This is Arch Leister. This is Tommy Morrison because this is their story. This is their mission statement. This is Arch Leaster. This is Tommy Morrison. This is Lawrence Phillips. This is everybody.

No matter what your crime is, it falls under this umbrella. It falls under the umbrella of, in their own words, quote, there was this cycle that kept repeating itself. I'd fight and I'd receive a great deal of praise. I was everybody's favorite child. Then within a short period of time, I would get arrested for being drunk, getting into a bra brawl breaking into someone's house or whatever then i would

fight again and the bad things would more or less be forgotten until i did them again and i always did i'd be caught speeding at 120 miles an hour insane stuff like that end quote that's everybody we cover just they all love me i do some bad shit they don like me anymore. I do some good stuff on the field again, and everybody forgets it and says, I'm good, man. That's exactly what it is. That's crime and sports. Right.

The part that jumps out to me is I was everyone's favorite child. It's they always want the constant attention. They did. That's a human nature. Everybody wants to be told that they're great. Everybody wants to be praised. But it's in between

the praise. You've got to stay between the fucking lines and keep your life in order. You can't rape people. That's the main thing. You can't kill people. You can't rape people. Stop doing that. And if your life drifts outside of that safety line, just fucking keep it clean. Keep it clean. So now 1989,

his wife Lisa divorces him for the first time. She divorces, we'll get into their relationship because it's an odd one. She divorces him, said she met somebody else and took off with them. I met somebody else that's not in prison. That's not in prison for brutal rape. You know. A second one. That everyone knows about also. It's in the paper and you're the most popular guy in our town and all that. I'm shopping at Kroger and stuff. That's insane. Are you that rapist's wife? Yeah. I mean, I feel bad for her, right? Yeah.

I feel terrible for her. She's got a rapist husband in prison. She can't go to the grocery store and be comfortable. I feel bad for nine-year-old little El Torito. I feel bad for him. He has problems. He's got a kid. No, no, no. But when he was nine, I feel bad for him. I don't feel bad for him now.

I feel bad for that. I feel bad for bad for him now. I felt bad for that. You know, I feel bad for these poor women, the poor girl. The roommate and the chick with the... The ruptured bladder in a drive-in bathroom. Ew. I just lay there with a ruptured bladder in a drive-in bathroom. Ew, worse than a truck stop. Pants torn off. It's horrible.

Her, this other poor girl, one's crawling out the window. I feel bad, Jimmy, for all these people. I honestly do. window i feel bad jimmy for all these people i honestly do i honestly feel bad but not nearly as bad as i feel for tony ayala the logistics management specialists at naval facilities engineering wow with the u.s navy that's impressive now living in the greater los angeles defends your freedom and defends your freedom to rape sir tony ayala counseling and psychological services. But that's hopefully not him.

Former case manager at the Santa Cruz AIDS Project. Now living in San Francisco. Definitely not him. Tony Ayala, experience specialist at Verizon Wireless. He's from Lusby, Maryland. Tony Ayala, manager at Dollar Rent-A-Car. I even feel more bad. I feel bad for him just because of where he works. I feel so bad for him.

He lives in Palmdale, California. Tony Ayala is a quote floater at FedEx Federal Express. Floating around the bowl in Dallas, Texas. What a shit job. Anthony Ayala, Nike athlete at Nike, Des Moines, Iowa. This guy's an athlete for Christ's sake. Perfect. Anthony Ayala, owner at Keep It Cut Landscaping in the greater New York City area. Anthony Ayala, marketing development manager at Coca-Cola Enterprises. But not a rapist. And finally, the one I feel the worst for, Tony Ayala Jr. Oh, no.

As he goes by and everything. Realtor, broker, and owner of Ayala Realty Group, LLC in Melbourne, Florida, where, quote, a sense of urgency is at your convenience. Véjá, bla, español, in case you're wondering. If you want to buy a house in Spanish, it's that way. Véjá, bla, español, sense of urgency. So urgent, we'll cut through a screen. We will cut through a screen to get you into that goddamn house.

Imagine that. I'd like to come over and take a look at your property. No, no. Please don't. My windows are locked yeah oh jesus christ so uh february 1992 he gets another he gets there's an interview with him they start talking to him because that's when tyson gets sent to prison all right so they start talking to him because he's a famous boxer that's in prison and they start what what can tyson

expect in prison and it's just like peace where he's like hey man you better not fuck with anybody you know like they won't want to fight him but like you know somebody will cut him you know they'll just cut him without saying nothing and blah blah blah blah nobody ever went near tyson no reason we heard he was you know the only thing that was bad with that was they had to stop him from signing autographs because they couldn't have inmates couldn't have valuable items we signed my tuna can yeah can? Yeah, because they were like, holy shit, it's Mike Tyson. So you're not Mike Tyson, Tony. You signed my shank.

Yeah, you're not. They're going to cut him. They're going to ask him to sign the fucking weapon. He tries to sound like a gentleman through this whole interview, too. He's like, do you just keep talking about Sunday, the hope alive for freedom, and blah, blah, blah. It's ridiculous.

He says here, he says, here's an in their own words it's amazing here in their own words quote in spite of holding the world in my hands i threw it all away what most people can only dream of i had it and i squandered it maybe i wasn't emotionally ready at that time to recognize that what i was did was wrong maybe there was somebody who could have set me straight if i had known enough enough to seek help then Maybe it was the fact that I first injected myself with heroin when I was 12. All this logical stuff

and then... We look at each other and just start laughing when he says that. That's awesome. Heroin when I was 12. Maybe. Maybe it's all those things.

What do you think here? He said that to a reporter. He said that to a reporter. He said that to a reporter. He said that with a straight face to a man, and that man, because he was terrified of who he was talking to, could not laugh at that. He wrote it down. He said, yeah, heroin 12.

That makes sense. He started shorthand, and he said, heroin 12. So 1992. I can't wait to get back into my rental car and drive away from this prison so that I can laugh about this. My Pontiac Bonneville. My 91 Bonneville is going to seem great when I get out about this. My Pontiac Bonneville. My 91 Bonneville is going to seem great

when I get out of here. That's Chevy Corsica. Oh, God. I can't wait to get in it. So, 1992, after these interviews, the wife here, Lisa, says that she sees him

in interviews and misses him and comes back into the picture. She comes back in. She read that. She read that and was like,

yeah, poor guy, heroin. She comes to visit him and he said that within 10 minutes, they were back together and fine. Wow. 1995. A 10-minute conjugal visit. That's it. That did it. Now, by 94, he's leading the therapy groups among the prisoners.

He's doing all that. He's trying to be model prisoner, Mr. Whatever. 1995, Lisa leaves him again. This will be a pattern. Found somebody else again. 1996, Lisa comes Lisa leaves him again. This will be a pattern. Found somebody else again. 1996, Lisa comes back to him again. She says, quote, I guess I was trying to replace him,

but I realized he could not be replaced. You can't replace a rapist who's in prison. How bad are the other guys? Who was she going out with that was worse than an imprisoned rapist? He's irreplaceable, Danist he's irreplaceable damn irreplaceable nobody would just attack me at knife point he's like a fabergé egg rare priceless priceless

oh god tony fabergé egg ayala tony the fabergé Aguayala. And then 1998, here come the fluff pieces. Because now he's starting to be up for parole soon. Yeah, no doubt. Oh, they're fluffing him up. Really? Like a fancy pillow under an invalid's head.

I know. That a young buxom nurse is fluffing up in an old movie. It's wonderful. The patient's not dead, but he has terminal cancer. Fluff the pillows. Fluff the pillows. Now, in this fluff piece, he talks a lot about the molestation. Oh, boy. Tries to sell that he...

Blames it all on that. I'm good now. Yeah. I mean, it's 100% counseling. I'm good now. A. I harnessed these demons, and now they're going to drive me through life. I know what I did wrong.

Yeah. I know it was wrong. I mean, I get it. This is how much I get it. In their own words, quote, Tonight, I'll go to sleep in a prison cell. Tomorrow morning, I'll wake up in a prison cell. This is my present situation and all I can do is make the most of it.

At some point, I'll be free and I'll have a job and I'll have to deal with that too. My goal is to be the best possible person I can be and grow with every single day. I feel like he's definitely had toilet fucking whiskey. Toilet whiskey and shit loads of bullshit therapy from some dick bag prison psychologist named Brian Raddatz.

Bullshitting him like crazy. Read two fucking books and got a correspondence course degree. Not even, there was no internet back then he just sent away for it in the mail and they sent him a certificate next thing you know he's telling this asshole to say this shit this is just ridiculous he just wants to get his life back on track i'm good now this is the ultimate i'm good now it's great heroin he's on it so by the way journalists uh if there's any journalists listening out there, I don't know what, do me a favor, please.

The punny titles and all that shit. Yeah, we get that. No wordplay in your titles. Also, when you do a story on a fallen hero, celebrity, sports star, do not start it like this. He played in front of full arenas. Fans begged for his autograph. Now he's inmate number 69765, so-and-so, correct?

Stop it. Stop telling me his inmate number. We know he's got an inmate number. Every single goddamn article, every criminal I do, there is an article at some point in a reputable goddamn New York Times, in the Washington Post,

the LA Times, that says in the first paragraph, he's now inmate number bubble. That's exactly how they all start. He's all hashtag so-and-so. You hack assholes. Now, this was from 92.

You might have matured a little from then, but I doubt it because I read later ones, too. You hack assholes. Stop it. Stop it. We don't all open with the same bullshit crowd work. You can't do that. Get your own opening, you asshole.

As a comedian, I'm offended. Work that fucking number into it somewhere else. But don't start with what he used to do. We get it.

That's why we're reading your bullshit article. Now they're talking about his, he's saying he's returning to boxing when he gets out. He'll be 36 years old,

he's ready to rock and roll. 36? 36. Same thing Tommy Morrison did. I'm in my prime in my prime jesus my hands are quicker lightning now bob arum here the old promoter here who said he was the greatest young talent he's ever seen in his life at this point said quote it was a treat to watch him in the ring because he fought with such pent-up fury he would knock a guy down and spit on him before he

went to his corner with rehabilitation who knows how much of that ferocity is going to be left how silver-haired can you be you're like i mean yeah he was an animal and a rapist before but now have you seen him fight now he's not going to have that i just have no use for him at this point i mean maybe if he's willing to climb through a window and really assault a woman then i could get on board with his boxing future we're going to set him up with with a with a with an boxing future. We're going to set him up with an abandoned building and we're going to put all kinds of traps

in the way and see if he can go in there and get the t-shirt out of the closet. There's clock radios everywhere. So April 1999 he's paroled. He's released from prison.

In 99? 16 years in the joint. So you've got one year past the minimum. One year past. Yeah, 98 he was eligible. They said, back it up and drop.

A two-time loser that threatened to kill two women after raping one of them horribly. Horribly. And he's out in 16 years. 16 years, no problem. Thanks, Texas. May 99, Tony and Lisa remarry. She marries him again because he's out. This is just fluff piece galore at this point.

I mean, it's the return of the bull. They can't stop talking about him. It's unreal. There's so many fluff pieces, I can't even keep them straight. It's insane. Sounds like those people want to bet on him. And guess who becomes his manager at this point?

Oh, tell me. Brian Raddatz, the prison psychologist, becomes his manager. What a scumbag. What a complete... You're supposed to be... That's clearly what he was after. You piece of garbage this is the

worst silverest haired dick fuck in this entire story unbelievable that's a word i don't care i'm so angry at this guy i am angry at this guy because he sat there in prison and latched himself on and got this guy to trust him and tell him about his horrible molestation and talk about his crimes and do all this shit so he could then get 15 latch on to him immediately he signed to a 750 000 promotional deal wow fights so he's still in demand because he was 16 years in the joint he gets out and he's already getting three quarters a million dollars when he went away he was 22 and 0 with 19 knockouts and the and considered the best young fighter in boxing and possibly

in a generation. Think about that. So they're still like, we still want to see him fight. Maybe he's still good. Three quarters of a million dollars. Yeah, he gets that. So August 20th, 1999

is his first fight back. He fights Manuel Esparza who's like pretty much a landscaper who took his long sleeves off and went into the ring with the piss pounded out of him by this guy.

Jumped in the ring and he didn't even bother to take off that big... Yeah, didn't even bother to take off the hat. No, no. But he took his rape. He left that Raiden hat on.

He put my rake down and then he got in the ring and was like, oh, he's hitting me and he got beat up bad. Can I fight with the leaf blower? Yeah, can. And then Dan Duva was saying

what a horribly drunk Mexican he was. That's what happened. So it's in Freedom Hall in San Antonio. He wins by TKO. They have to stop the fight. It's ridiculous. He wins the next five fights against nobodies, too. Obviously, I mean, he's got to get his legs back on him.

He's fighting nobodies. He's knocking them silly. And still, he's not his old self, though. It's clear. He's good for what he is. But he's angry. He's angry, and he's a good fighter still. He always was, and he's tough.'s not his old self though it's clear he's good for what he is angry he's angry and he's a good fighter still he was always was and he's tough uh anger is good for everything if you can harness it if you can yeah he if he just kept it inside the ropes yeah great great great that's what you do that's that's how you are successful that's what that sport's

designed for so yeah every every sport is designed especially in football right boxing aggressive keep it inside the sidelines you're fine you're fine yeah you're you can't bring the animal shit out right that's where it goes wrong now there is a fluff piece in the chicago tribune on july january 11 2000 called a new view of life and it is as fluffy as it comes talks about it starts out the first half of it is all about his first christmas as a free man and his first christmas in 16 years it was free i'm grossed out he was going to go to bed early but then into his house came a mariachi band that his friend hired for him and it was the most loving gesture and he was so at no point in this article did

they go and ask that other chick how her last 16 Christmases have gone. How was your last birthday? How was your last 16 birthdays? You guys go out and party on your birthday or do you sit in a fucking room with the door locked snugly with a gun in your hand? When that entire

staff at the Olive Garden comes to sing you happy birthday, do you envision them all with knives? Do you say no drunk Mexican ones, please? So he says, Raditz at this point says that he doesn't have the emotional baggage anymore, Ayala. He's going to be a better fighter because he doesn't have the emotional baggage. This is what Raditz is saying. He knows nothing about boxing, first of all, obviously. Clearly.

He said, quote, he's going to be a better fighter than he was his hand speed already looks faster in tape no it doesn't there isn't a 36 year old man alive whose hand speed is better than when he was 19 right and training every day and hitting the speed bag since he was five yeah no you are a snake oil salesman complete and utter he was telling him about your hands look better than ever, man. No, I'm telling you. He's like, really? They do? And he's like, no, no, yeah, they are. Yeah, yeah. For sure.

So I get 10%, right? Asshole. Piece of garbage. So July 28, 2000. Meanwhile, $750,000 that he got. So he gets $75,000 just for him, the manager. Yeah, whatever they make. Whatever.

3% because he's probably got a trainer. Even if he gets 15%. He's got a trainer. He's got to pay fucking 7%. That is way more than whatever he's getting as a prison psychologist. It's probably got a trainer. Even if he gets 15%. He's got a trainer. He's got to pay fucking 7%. That is way more than whatever he's getting as a prison psychologist. It's probably a double raise. Much more fun life, too. Oh, my God.

He's sitting there going, yeah, yeah, no, your hands look faster. Yeah, it's fine. I'm going to sit in this chair more. How would you like to do that or sit with a bunch of depressed murderers every day? Go into a gray building where you have to be searched and everything. It's freezing in there. It's freezing and horrible. And I wonder if this guy's going to shank you for no reason.

This is much better at this point. Because you look like his stepfather. He fights Yuri Boy Campus on July 28, 2000. This is a big fight. He's a big contender. In 2000? In 2000. This is what he was leading up to.

If he beats him, he's actually going to be in line for title fights wow that's how far he's come yeah so now we're here again uh breaks his hand in like the second round because those 36 year old bones aren't near as strong as they used to breaks his hand and he has a bad dehydration bout his father has to throw in the towel because he can't continue he stays in the corner during i think because cramp is what is it crap it's what is his name radix radix yeah they're faster and more fragile now her hands they're great but credits doesn't know how to throw a towel his dad's in the third row and he's like god damn it throw this throw this right so and this shit he's disappointed at this point obviously he's got some a little bit of, you know, whatever. I can see a little melancholy going on here.

So, you know, December 12, 2000. You know, he's like, okay, that was a couple months ago. I'll go to a strip club. December 12, 2000. He goes to a strip club. He stays there late. Gets good and hammered. Sees some titties that he can't have.

He sees some titties that he can't have. He goes home. I say he went home around 3, I'm going to say. Okay. Because at 3.45 a.m. I like how you're like, it takes about 45 minutes. Just so he had to get settled, decide to do this, and then go do it. He gets in bed, and he's like, I can't fuck anything.

What? And his wife is home, too, by the way. He leaves his home. And she's like, it's 3. Go to bed. Go to bed. You stink. So police respond to him. There's glitter on your face.

I don't. There's glitter all over your pillowcase now. They respond to an intruder call to find Tony Ayala shot in the left shoulder in a house that's not his. Yes. He's in someone else's house. Finally. Shot in the shoulder. He's taken to University Health Center in San Antonio.

He's in stable condition. shoulder he's taking a university health center in san antonio he's in stable condition basically he met this 18 year old girl named nancy gomez at his gym his father's gym yeah she's a she's a senior in high school she's staying right right by him she's a senior she's staying with like a family while she finishes the year of high school basically she's like a family friend school district thing, basically. Her family sucks, so she moved somewhere else. Yes, he had given her a ride home from the gym about a month earlier. By the way, this is the worst person you want to attack,

because she's already at 18, figured out that her living situation was not good. Who knows? And she's going to go find somewhere else to live and get through high school to get through her life. She's already figured out that she's an adult. We'll see she's not taking any shit, okay? I like her life. She's already figured out that she's an adult. We'll see she's not taking any shit. I like her already. She's the strongest woman he's ever encountered, I believe, at this point. I gotta believe you.

I would like everybody to attack, every one of our guys to attack this woman, because what she does is beautiful. He gave her a ride home about a month before the incident. If you hear a little jingling and jingling, that's Frankie the Crime and Sports Dog. He's eating Chad Curtis. Not on Chad's face. So gave her a ride home, and apparently he remembered this and knew her. He enters through an unlocked back door into this house at 3.30 in the morning. Made his way into the girls' room.

She sees him in the hallway, like about to go into the room she screams and takes off and goes into the other room with the other woman who's there there's two children in the house oh jesus she they get the gun out she takes the gun and and he said they call the police while holding the gun on him and i guess they said she he made a threatening move so he shot she shot him just one shot shot him oh she's awesome said he made a threatening move, so she shot him. Just one shot? Shot him in the shoulder. Oh, she's awesome.

It was a.45. Oh, Jesus. So one shot's all it took. That's all it needs. Yeah, yeah. One shot in the shoulder. Thank Christ that he didn't bleed out. Right, where he was hit.

Yeah, it didn't hit an artery or something else. Or maybe she was just that good of a shot. She was just like, fuck it, lay down. Oh, I think it was from like five feet away, too. It was like, I mean. Quint Blank. Yeah, so yeah. So he got what he deserved at that point.

So and they're trying to spin this, the lawyers, too. His lawyer, Alan Brown, now his new silver haired middle aged woman says, quote, Tony was hurt and no one else was hurt in it. These kind of cases are a turn on what your intent was. So now they're saying, you know, who knows if she was just trying to shoot this guy, basically. Rape, maybe. I think that was his intent. I don't know what hers was. His was probably rape, I'm going to say. She did not wake up at 3 a.m. and go, I really need to shoot somebody. Hold on, you know what her intent was, probably? Not getting raped.

That's what her intent was. I don't want this crazy, scummy, drunk weirdo to rape me. I don't want to get raped with two children and my roommate in the house. Good God. So Deputy Police Chief Richard Gleisner said, we feel that she was right and justified in what she did. So do I. Good job.

Ayala will be charged with burglary and then taken to jail after he gets out of the hospital. That's what they're saying. He was a registered sex offender, so if he gets convicted of this, he faces 99 years in jail. Bye-bye. Strike three, motherfucker.

Yeah. So he's released on $100,000 bail. They give this guy bail. Are you kidding me? He has to wear an ankle monitor. So, God forbid. He's raping people and breaking into people's houses

that are next door to him. All the time. He doesn't even go down the street. He's like, they won't know it's me. I'll just go next door. That girl I know that I't even go down the street. He's like, they won't know it's me. I'll just go next door. That girl I know that I met a month ago. Smart. He's a smart guy.

Ayala says of the shooting, what's crazy is the charges of intent. Nothing ever happened. He's like, I didn't even get a chance to do anything to her. Because she had a.45, bro. She shot you, you idiot. Raditz says the most infuriating thing ever. I hate this son of a bitch.

If you find him, know where he is. If he's on Facebook, friend him and just torment this asshole. Call him a cunt. Call him names. Friend him and call him a cunt. That's our... Well, that's going to be another t-shirt. Friend him and call him a cunt. Just like we did with Randy Lanier there. So Raditz said, quote, if he had a need to do an assault, he would have. Nothing ever stopped him from doing it before, but he resolved his demons many years ago.

The need to attack and hurt doesn't exist at all. Okay. Right up until he gets a boner. Right up until he comes home from the strip club, hammer it and goes, There's a girl over there. Put it in. I smell like cotton candy and I'm horny.

At this point, Lisa divorces him again. So this is like divorce, I don't know, they've been together four or five times now. Now, pay attention to the date on this one. She divorces him. Every other month. Like my wife calls me an asshole. Oh, yeah.

It's back and forth. At one point, there's an interview where she describes it and she's like, I left him and then I came back two years later

and then I left him again for a year and I went out with somebody else and then I came back six months later. It was like this lot. I was like,

how do you even remember all that? How do you keep it straight? I don't know. We've been together five, six times. That's all you say. Oh, you do that? All right, I'll divorce you.

That's my wife saying go sleep on the couch. Yeah, because then she comes right back. They get remarried all the time. September 10, 2001. Yeah. Familiar date there. Almost a familiar date.

All right. So this is funny. This is his 9-11. This is his. Jury selection starts in his trial. They hope to get the trial started on Wednesday, which not going to happen. Because Tuesday's nasty. Tuesday's going to prevent that yes tuesday's

gonna fuck the whole world obviously uh he is charged with burglary with intent to commit sexual assault yeah which is not a great charge to have if you're in his particular situation it's the very accurate charge he apparently the defense here is that he's very well acquainted with Gomez. Apparently, they had eaten together, both alone and with Tony's wife, Lisa. They had just been, like, friendly. I guess he helped her at the gym a little bit and everything like this. This is an inappropriate relationship. And some minor discrepancies of details of events cause them to make a plea deal with him on the third day of the trial. What? They pull out of the trial on the third day.

The accuser chooses the plea deal. Not the accuser. The prosecutors go, we don't like where this is going. They're breaking down her credibility. This looks consensual. Maybe. Let's not do that let's play with him you know what the plea deal is for it's going to be way lenient it's two counts

of assault rather than anything sexual so that takes out of the whole other shit he gets 90 days what but you know he does get to serve it at home also you gotta be shitting me house arrest for 90 days unbelievable after his history yeah he broke into another woman's house with obvious intentions and the judge just goes for that and they go for no the prosecutor made the deal because they said it's either that or nothing basically has nothing to do with the judge they were afraid of being acquitted because he had a good lawyer team basically he's got money They just work it out themselves? They worked it out. Wow. That's what it was. He gets 10 years probation after the whole plea deal. Plus the 90 days. That's his 10 years probation.

But who cares? This is the first time he gets to actually say to the judge, you, sir, may fuck off. Yeah, that's what I mean. He's burned how many judges now? Unbelievable. The one raped, the two raped, this, a home invasion now he's getting off on. Only one judge has actually been able to fuck his life up. Yeah.

Or give him what he deserves. I mean, that was 2001. He gets out of that. 2002. And he's fighting, by the way, this time. Constantly. He's fighting. No, not constantly.

He only has a few actual fights here. After the Gary Boy thing, it kind of goes a little sideways for him. A little lowbrow. He has a couple of big, he has a couple of decent fights and then he's kind of in a limbo at this point. And he actually ends up having a title fight also. Jesus. Which is interesting.

But December of 2002, he's arrested. Guess what he's charged with? Having sex on two different occasions with a 14-year-old girl. Oh my God. You piece of shit. Yeah.

I got it again. The worst. Claims were that in November of 2002, they had sex once in the backseat of his car and once at his parents' home around Thanksgiving time. Gross. This was a girl that he knew through the gym, again. And, you know, he met her there. He's being held in custody since November when he's arrested. He's being held in custody since November when he's arrested. He's being held in December.

Now, January 27, 2003, the charges are dropped. What the fuck? This guy skates. He walks on water, this guy. I swear to God, there are books written about him. And somewhere under the earth on the opposite side of the world, there's people worshiping this guy because he walks on fucking water. So we've got a system that has...

It's insane. There's got... The amount of people that are in prison in America, there has to be some that are innocent. Yeah. Just statistically, there has to be. Absolutely. But for all of those,

sorry, guys, because we have this fuckface walking around. Yeah. You know what I mean? I feel bad for you for being back there and not done anything, but look who's out. Let's get these guys out.

So the prosecutor withdraws the motion at this point to revoke his probation and everything because apparently the 14-year-old testified on the stand that she pursued him at the gym. But it doesn't matter. She's 14. That doesn't matter. That doesn't fucking matter. After meeting him at his trainer's gym, it wasn't his father's gym,

it was a different gym, she admitted to having different versions of the story. Haven't you seen To Catch a Predator, dear? Then she says that she made up charges of molestation against her stepfather when she was 10. And they asked her why, and she said she made up the charges against her stepfather because, quote, she was mad at him. Wow. And they asked her why and she said she made up the charges against her stepfather because, quote,

she was mad at him. Wow. So this makes her look, they don't want to mess around anymore. So her lawyer advises her not to continue testimony. Yeah.

Literally, the prosecutor stopped and had the court appoint her a lawyer. They said she needs a lawyer. Because of perjury. So the lawyer said, shut the fuck up up get off the stand

drop this whole thing prosecutors dropped it that was that all charges dropped on him i mean but i mean he's got no he's he's such a mess at this point his lawyer to johnny parks jimmy parks another white-haired silver-haired asshole says quote when you're facing these kind of ramifications, 10 years in prison with so little of your boxing career left, like that matters, asshole. I give a fuck. And maybe you'll be able to fight for a title.

Obviously, it's a great relief for Tony Ayala. Ugh, good God. How about when you've been in prison for so many years and you get off for this one it's a great relief for him you deserve to be in prison and you're not going there no that's a great relief for anybody and how low is he though he lost his fight right the yeri boy's got a broken hand they're telling me he's getting caught for molesting 14 year olds i mean he went from being on the cover of the magazine as the next rocky Marciano, the next, well, not heavyweight, but the next great middleweight, to this.

He's pudgier now. He's not ripped anymore. You know what this says? You know what segment this says, Jimmy? The music. How is it that you have arrived to be here? Start looking in that mirror. Look back.

Hope you guys like the music. And find out. How is it? Start thinking about. Recount every shit event in your life. That you have arrived to be here. How is it that you have arrived to be here? This is the point where he should really be asking himself you're absolutely

right this is when i looked back a minute ago going now this is rock bottom no no no this is absolutely rock bottom we have not gotten a rock bottom what the fuck this we are so close this goes deep he can he can touch like lava from the center of the earth so this goes so much deeper okay at this point his mother pauline ayala says the understatement of the earth. This goes so much deeper. Okay. At this point, his mother, Pauline Ayala, says the understatement of the century, quote, sometimes I think boxing is made by boys grow up too fast. They found out about life, girls, everything too early. And heroin. Heroin and shootings and rapings and pillagings and general insanity and mischief.

About the Campos fight that he lost, he says, in their own words, quote, I'll be back. I won't be like I thought it would be, but I'll fight somebody in November. I had big plans. This is a setback, but after spending 16 years in prison,

this is petty compared to that. I'm going to be fighting. I don't know who it'll be. But I'm fine. Maybe in a drive-in bathroom, but I'll be fighting somebody. I'm good now who it'll be. But I'm fine. Maybe in a drive-in bathroom, but I'll be fighting somebody. I'm good now. God damn it.

So I get pent up and get a boner and glitter and cotton candy smell all over me. Yeah. I'm going to find somebody to fight. And he keeps fighting, and he fights finally, because after the campus fight, he did. He fought in July of 2001. Then he fought in November of 2001 while that whole thing was going on. Just fighting away. He's fighting away.

He fought in September 2002. And finally, on April 25, 2003, he fights Anthony Bonsante for the vacant IBA super middleweight title. And he's winning all these fights. The only one he lost was to Campos. That's it. So he gets a title fight. That's his only career loss at this point. Does he lose the title fight? He loses the title fight. Good!

He loses the title fight. It's at the Thunderbird Wild West Casino in Norman, Oklahoma. Sounds like a shithole. That sounds terrible. Sounds like it's on the side of I-10 or something. Sounds like it's one of those ones where there's nothing around it's just desert like just a field plane with just a building stuff and all of a sudden there's just like bright lights for the indian casino if a tornado comes through it's gone just gone so november 15 2003 that was that was his his last fight on right there that loss is his last fight because on November 15th, 2003, we get kind of part one here.

He gets pulled over at 1130 at night for speeding and receives a ticket. He had four outstanding traffic warrants at that point. But the problem is that his curfew is at 10 o'clock. Because he's on that house arrest shit. Yeah. So this is at 11.30. So he's an hour and a half past curfew. So on December 4th,

they take him into custody once they process the whole thing and realize what's going on. He's taken into custody for the violation. He's held. He's held and then they end up releasing him and that all goes away somehow. He pays off the tickets.

What the fuck? It's just, that's it. It's gone. It's over. He doesn't have to do any time. House arrest violation. Nothing. Send his shit to jail.

Fine. He's good now, Jimmy. Wow. Jimmy? He's good now. He's good now. Come on, man. Jesus.

Cut the guy some slack. He's had it tough, you know? Cut him some slack like he cuts off Victoria panties. So, July 8th, 2004, he finds himself back in the pokey here. Jesus. Previous weekend, over the 4th of July weekend, he's pulled over. There's a traffic stop. At this point, he's being held without bail because he was charged with speeding,

driving without a license, no proof of insurance, and possession of heroin and drug paraphernalia. So now he's back on the horse here. He is now doing heroin again. He's gone full circle. Now he's not just a drunk and a mess. Now he's doing heroin again. Now he's really at the bottom. His career's over.

He knows it. This is a mess. He's doing heroin. He doesn't even care. He's reaching for some semblance of normalcy. From that whole thing, he refuses to take a drug test, which is kind of a shady sign right there. It's a red flag for me.

I'd rather not. Rather not, actually. No no i don't think so tell us his probation officer that he had used heroin and also that he he was also found with a sexually oriented magazine unquote awesome quote sexually i'd like to know which one was it like playboy it doesn't say that's the quote sexually oriented magazine i'd like to know though. Is it just the goofy jokes that he's getting involved in? Or is it like Hustler where it's a little more? Or is it like Club where it's like they show the penetration and all that shit? I don't know. Is there a magazine where it shows women tied up with their own socks? I'm sure there is. There probably is.

Especially back then. So that's another probation violation of his sex offender status. Like a jackass. So he is fucked at that point. He is then sentenced to 10 years. Yeah. Put away for 10 more years at this point for all of these probation. And he's 37 now?

Yeah. All of this bad shit that he did. 14-year-old girl. All this horrible shit. He gets pulled over. That's what takes him down. That's the one that does it. It like it's like randy lanier with his truck ben kramer with his truck getting pulled over dominoes falling yeah that's what this is that good that knocks

the dominoes down he is in prison 10 years november 2012 he's denied parole good uh so he's in there now eight years going on that um the thing i see everyone that ever had anything to do with this man anyone think about his family it's like they've had to navigate through his choppy wake like ben kramer with a head full of cocaine and a fucking barge full of weed you know what i mean that's what it is with this guy. He's scum. And they're all behind him on sea-doos trying to navigate

those choppy-ass waters. Yeah, get him into the port. It's pathetic. So, on April 16th, 2014, he's allowed to attend his father's funeral in San Antonio. Really?

His father dies on April 10th. He's allowed to attend the funeral. And then April 14th, or April 25th, 2014, he's released from prison. They let him out. 14th 2000 or april 25th 2014 he's released from prison they let him out it's 10 years he did his 10 years they let him out early though um okay yeah he got the whole 10 yeah he did the whole 10 i mean and he went to his father's funeral did he go in like shackles and shit no no they let him go because he was like nine days

from his release or 11 days from his release they were like yeah let him dress up and just go. Because he was like nine days from his release or 11 days from his release. They were like, yeah, let him go, supervise or whatever. He'll come back. Post-prison, he starts running the Zarzamora Street Gym, which is his father's gym that he starts running with his brothers, Mike, Sammy, and Paulie. But I guess Tony is the guy who owns it and runs it, basically. It's his gym. He should just go through life. It's his gym. He should just go through life.

Until May 12, 2015, when he's found dead inside the Zara Zamora Street gym. Dead. That's awesome. Dead. Heroin overdose? A needle full of heroin. Yes! A needle full of heroin in his arm and a bag of heroin on the table next to him. This is the best death ever.

A ball of heroin wrapped in. I love it they assume it's drug related and then on july 9th 2015 uh bexar county medical examiner finds his cause of death to be heroin toxicity he fucking did it to himself you utter piece of garbage shall we give him a salute and go fuck yourself you utter piece of garbage irredeemable human scum pile see nothing like willie that's fantastic you felt good for willie mays ending didn't you that didn't feel good for him did you so there we go so at this point he is rotting somewhere better would have been if like johnny cash's hurt was playing over and over he's rotting in the gym yeah nope he's rotting

rotting that's fantastic I love that ending it's amazing so he's dead now they had a big thing his wife

his estranged wife and his brother are fighting over control of the gym at this point I don't know what happened with that because you know what

I don't give a fuck about this whole clan anymore once he died I'm like I hope all of you they're the type of people you know what? I don't give a fuck about this whole clan anymore. Once he died, I'm like, I hope all of you... They're the type of people, you know like on a game board, if a kid's losing, he'll just sweep it all off?

I want to just sweep them all off like a bad game of checkers. Like a game of checkers where you have three kings, I have nothing, and I just give up and I'm just back. I don't care anymore. Like you're throwing a screen 25 feet away from a window. You have three kings and then the kid goes, king me again. And you're just like, fuck it. That's what I want to do with the whole family.

If he has any kids, I want to put a pillow over them and make sure that nothing else happens with them. I'm tired of it. End it all. Tony Ayala Jr., kiss our asses. Goodbye. Goodbye, fuckface. So that's good.

He's dead. We're all happy. That's Tony Ayala Jr. Hope you're as happy Goodbye. Goodbye, fuckface. So that's good. He's dead. We're all happy. That's Tony Ayala Jr. Hope you're as happy that he's dead as we are. We're thrilled. We're thrilled that he's dead. Thank you. And that's him, man. Oh my God. Thanks for listening to that crazy story.

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