Crime in Sports - #281 - He's Fine... Maybe Not - The Abjectness of Quincy Carter

Episode Date: November 30, 2021

This week, we check out a guy who always had all the potential, but the only potential that he fulfilled was his prolific arrest record. A sought after, two sports star, he was the starting quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys, but it all went away. Next thing you knew, he was in an off brand football league, and choking women, while punching them. His problems seem to be with alcohol, drugs, and even fear of success. Either way, he made a real mess of it all, and the only question is, will he EVER get it together?? Have to choose between pro baseball, and pro football, become the starting quarterback for an iconic franchise, then get arrested, at an alarming rate with Quincy Carter!! Check us out, every Tuesday! !We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!  Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail]  Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurder See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And if you just want to shout out and to be a wonderful person with great karma, you can do that as well over at PayPal using our email address, CrimeandSports at gmail.com. There it is. There it is. That said, let's get into this right away. Got to just do it. Here we go with Lavanya Quintel Carter. you know who that is it's not lavagna it's quincy carter the quincy carter the old quarterbacks the old cowboys quarterback absolutely really absolutely his real name is lavagna quintel and he got quincy from that lavagna lavagna and from what i can tell he's. And from what I can tell, he's a junior.

From what I can tell. His dad's name is also Lavanya. So why would you give your kid the Lavanya but then change the middle name? That wouldn't make any sense at all. I don't know. They did it to you. That's true. But Lavanya is not.

That's what I mean. It's different from James. James is very common. Lavanya is not a very common name. So if you're going to say naming him after me, you're going to go the full nine with it, I think, right? You're not going to just pull back on the middle name. I don't recall seeing Lavanya. Isn't James in the Bible, but is Lavanya in the Bible?

Possibly. I know so little about the Bible. We could do a show on Snooker, and I would know more about Snooker than i do about the bible honestly so i know very little quincy carter here uh he's born october 13th 1977 it's kind of younger than i thought in my mind too for some reason i thought of him i don't know why guys who played 20 years ago it's like oh christ that was in black and white wasn't it so weird that it was was so recent yet so long ago. He played post 9-11, Jimmy. I mean, come on.

I mean, listen. I mean, come on. Decatur, Georgia, he's born and raised. His parents are Lavanya Sr. and Sherry Carter is his mom. And his mom will be around a lot his mom's uh his mom's very supportive you hear less from her later on i don't know if she died or if she just you know backed off from embarrassment or what exactly happened but in the beginning enough humble pie enough of that in the beginning like there's you know picture of him signing his letter of intent

and his mom's sitting right next to him at the podium, big smile on her face. And she's talking about how he loves Jesus and she gives him a Bible to take places and shit. And she's all into him. And then later on, we just don't hear much from mom anymore. The interactions seem to thin out. And I don't know why. So he goes to Southwest DeKalb High School is his high school. And from what he says, sports always for this guy.

He's 6'3", 220 pounds. And if you saw him play in the NFL, athleticism is not a problem whatsoever with him. I mean, he's a fucking athlete like crazy. Just never kind of put it all together, it seemed like. And he's one of these guys i feel like he's one of these kind of a victim of uh the way the nfl developed because maybe also a victim of the cowboys in the first they were terrible yeah yeah they were terrible time to be a cowboy jerry jones was making all the decisions this was after you know jimmy johnson and barry switzer left and after their big successful run run, Jerry Jones started deciding who they were going to draft and shit like that.

And that's not a good thing when the owner, who's very good at finding oil wells that produce oil, decides that he knows what quarterbacks are good also. He's good at gambling, James. Yeah, he's good at gambling. That's what it is. And Jerry Jones, it's not like he doesn't know about football. He played college football. He was a teammate of Jimmy Johnson's. That's why they were so close and knew each other.

They played at Arkansas together. So it's kind of the same deal. But this is a bad time for the Cowboys. But my point is, like, used to be a guy like Quincy Carter could come in. And we'll talk about it, too, because he had three years off from football that we'll discuss here. Really? So, yeah, a guy like him used to be, he'd be a backup for,

they'd talk about maybe in three years, this guy will be ready to play first two years. He's going to learn from our starter. He's going to sit there. He's going to soak it in. He's going to learn the whole system, you know, get them comfortable.

But nowadays, and it started kind of around now, because that was the big thing with Peyton Manning. Everyone was like, they're just throwing him in there. That's crazy. You're supposed to, he's not going to be a backup

and he threw like 28 interceptions his rookie year because that's rookies are terrible yeah they're just they're not ready for the NFL that's why they never used to play before that but now they're paying him so much money they're like well I'm not going to pay this guy fucking 35 million dollars this year with a signing bonus

to sit there and watch yeah people want to see him on the field that's you know that's money that's coming in that's something attention i suppose but ruining his psyche and forcing him into interceptions and sacks is is you could that's a good way to ruin a quarterback that's ask everybody that's ever played for cleveland for the past 30 years yeah it used to be you threw a rookie quarterback in and he fucked up they'd blame the team they'd be like well yes stupid why'd you try to ruin that guy you should have given him a couple years to rest nowadays it's oh this guy he could be second week two and they're like well christ he's not obviously that was a poor draft point choice he's not ready and it's

like what are you talking about this guy was in college four months ago what are you talking about literally car may have been a good quarterback we'll never know we'll never know there's a ton of guys like a million guys like that who just were broken in their first couple of years because they're on a bad team and thrown into the mix and said make make good out of this yeah like while learning the way they set it up the worst team gets the highest pick and they're most of the time picking a quarterback because they constantly beat the shit out of the one that they just that they just drafted that was amazing two years ago. And they're probably bad because they don't have a good quarterback.

That's the other problem. That's an issue. They don't have a good quarterback, and they're also bad because the quarterback they draft, they compromise the whole fucking line to get him. If you have a top-tier quarterback, if you have a top-five quarterback, that's worth eight wins, right? You'll go eight and eight, even if the rest of your team sucks that's eight and eight just because he can will you to eight wins if you have you know certain guys it's just the way it works but not not when they're kids so he started he's playing baseball and football and high level too he's a he's scouts are watching him play baseball. He's a high level quarterback in football.

And he's really good. He's at about 17. He started really getting into weed. That's his first. Yeah. Kind of his first love here while he's playing all these sports. So he's a lot of pressure on him. This is one of those things.

Was he born? He's about 77. Yeah. He's born in 77. A little bit older than us. So, yeah, I mean, this is in the 90s. Yep. You know.

In the 90s? Yeah. You could see. And also, like, if he's at a party, smokes a little weed, you know what weed's good for? It's really relaxing. That's one thing. Like, certain people react in a paranoia way, but not most people. Most people go, God damn, I feel pretty fucking good.

And they giggle a little bit. So, if you have a lot of pressure of scouts coming to see you and you have to learn an offense and you're also hitting fourth and playing center field, like you have to. There's a lot of pressure for a kid to have all that pressure on him of the school. So it's a very fine balance. You might take a few hits of weed and go, ah, yeah, that's better. Jesus Christ. I feel pretty good now. So that's what he was doing, huh?

So I think that's kind of how it worked there. He called it medicated off marijuana. That's what he was doing. He just made him, calmed him down, chilled him out. Now, he's playing baseball and football, like I said. His senior year, though, he decides to not play baseball. The senior year, he just sidestepped the whole thing? He said, no baseball. I'm going to concentrate on football for my senior year, he just sidestepped the whole thing. He said,

no baseball. I'm going to concentrate on football for my senior year and like work out all summer rather than play baseball. That was his thing that he was going to do. He, it's his first time he hasn't played baseball since he was five. He said, it's very strange.

But instead of, you know, doing his baseball stuff, because he would normally in the summertime he would play in a in a like a youth league like a non-school affiliated league just yeah yeah to stay sharp but instead he would he lifted weights to prepare for the upcoming season so he was uh was uh doing it he said uh or his uh coach said quote he decided early on where he wanted us to go this season and he worked hard to take us there.

He says, this is Quincy, quote, I gave up baseball for the summer. He said, I just wanted to devote my total attention toward trying to get us to a state championship, so I spent the time lifting weights and running two miles a day. Two miles isn't really that much to run if you're an athlete. That seems like it's kind of a warm-up. If you're an athlete, yeah. Yeah. As a 40-year-old dad, that's fucking miserable.

Me or you would be like, whew, I did two miles today. I'd be like, shit, high five. James, that's 14 miles a week if he runs every day. Yeah, but yeah, still though. But for like an elite-level athlete, that doesn't seem like a lot. Yeah, it seems like you do that to like warm up for practice. Probably. Yeah, so.

A 17-year-old does that running to and from the gym. Yeah, it seems like you do that to, like, warm up for practice. Probably. Yeah. A 17-year-old does that running to and from the gym. Yeah, totally. Like, a 17-year-old, like, fit athlete, too. You see him, like, in high school. There's all sorts of pictures in the paper of him in high school. And, you know, he's in amazing shape. He looks like a Greek fucking god out there. He jogs to the gym as a warm-up and then jogs home from the gym a mile as the cool-down.

Absolutely. He looks so confident and happy, too. There's a picture of him throwing this ball, and he just looks like, I'm fucking good. Like, this look on his face. But not in, like, a way that you want to not like him. You look at it and go, damn, that looks great. Like, I wish I felt like that. Yeah, I wish I had that feeling he's got right now.

Like, yeah, I like doing this. It feels good. The wind going through my arm here and pretty fucking good at this. Yeah. Life's okay. All right. Smiling, doing what he loves.

Awesome. It's great. So, uh, he, they go to the state, uh, championship tournament,

which I guess you have to play a few games in to, to do. And, uh, they do that in the tournament. He few games in to do. And they do that. In the tournament, he says, I'm confident. He said he's always confident, quote, spiritually, if nothing else, that will do well. So he's talking about spirituality already, which is, that's bad. When that comes up as a 17-year-old, from our experience, we know that it could be issues,

unless you're like Sean Bradley or something, and there's going to be issues yeah it's not good here so they do go all the way to the class for a state football championship and uh they end up winning the whole damn thing one state with quincy as the as the qb and uh they said he showed his versatility. It's a four game state playoff. He passed for three touchdowns in the first two games. And he said his one of his teammates said he really became a coach on the field for us and raised everybody to another level. So everybody says one thing you cannot accuse Quincy of is being stupid. He is far from stupid. He's a very, very very very smart guy

that's we'll talk about like quantifiable numbers of how smart he is he's a pretty fucking smart guy that's what's so so irritating about this whole process here because you're like what god damn it quincy you're not stupid on yes god damn god damn it lavagna you're not you know lawrence fucking phillips over here get your shit together right you're not lenny dykstra pull it together because you have intelligence here um so his mom was with him a lot here she gave him the uh the uh the serenity prayer that he placed on his bed there. And, uh, you know, he said he's a devout Christian regularly attend Sunday school and Bible studies at his church.

And, uh, he said he also knows that, uh, he knows God also requires a man to do his share, which is why, uh, you know, he thinks that he's going to, he's going to pull it out because he's been working so hard. He's been doing his share. In his senior season, he passed for 2,139 yards, 17 touchdowns, and he rushed for 534 yards and 11 touchdowns. Yeah, that'll get you on the scouts' radar. That'll do it. Yeah, he passed for 4,450 yards in his high school career, which is second all-time among DeKalb County quarterbacks. Behind who?

I don't know. Better than Johnny Unitas or some shit. That's incredible. Who the fuck knows? Somebody was whipping them. Somebody had like a weird run-and-shoot style offense or something. They were throwing it around. He also had 37 touchdowns while rushing for 1,489 yards and 32 touchdowns in his career.

So not bad. He received the Parade All-American and USA Today Georgia Player of the Year honors. Wow. So he's the guy in Georgia. Best damn football player in Georgia. He did fucking great. You can't beat that. One of his coaches said, we've had some great quarterbacks here,

but I think he's the best as far as being a complete player. He's got all the tools, and he's really developed into a leader. He's ready to go. All the colleges are looking at him. Major League scouts are still looking at him, too. They want to draft him also. Yeah, he didn't play for a year, but they don't give a shit. They watched him play football.

He's an athlete. Put a bat in his hand and send him to, you know, Kalamazoo or some shit for a summer. He might start putting it together. So he signs a letter of intent. He can go anywhere he wants. All the local schools are clamoring. And they're all clamoring.

Well, he signs his letter of intent to play both baseball and football at Georgia Tech. There you go. Georgia Tech. That's a Bulldog, right? No. well he signs his letter of intent to play both baseball and football oh at georgia tech there you go georgia tech that's right no they are the yellow jackets i believe there's a yellow there's a there's a b george is the bulldogs yeah you're you're not off just hang in there this is only a letter of intention he doesn't mean he's actually gonna go there because he signed paperwork you son of a bitch doesn't mean he's actually a lot of false starts with with quincy you son of a bitch uh lavagna lavagna lavagna here you go so he uh 3 34 p.m it says on february 8th 1996 he uh he said we're really happy with this class

the georgia tech coach said all of are solid. Every position has been helped. We're very, very happy. We got an outstanding class. They're talking about Quincy Carter being at the top of this recruiting class. He's going to play baseball. He's going to play football. He's going to be the fucking man. It's going to be amazing.

He's going to save all of our programs. He is going to save many jobs. He's going to be in the spelling bee, too. Yeah. Oh, he's going to save many jobs and he's going to be in the spelling bee too yeah oh he's he's going to do well at that he does uh he's great at the geography bee actually real mathlete this guy he can pick qatar out like that which is a tough one and most people can't find it but it's there it's not an easy one he knows that's the thing he's like boom i know where that is no problem yeah what's that that's that? That's Oslo, bitch. Yeah, it's the capital.

I know where it is. It's in Northern Europe. On the water, motherfucker. Yeah. People are like, damn, Quincy, calm down. Real cocky. Not cocky about his football, but about his geography. He's a cocky son of a bitch.

He's a cocky piece of thing, yeah. He insists we all wear jerseys and pick numbers and shit. Yeah, he loves it 1996 major league baseball draft here yeah uh jimmy number one overall pick 1996 major league oh shit it's hard because they didn't play till four or five years later always so it's yeah 96 i would have no fucking idea chris benson the pitcher. Yeah. He pitched for a long time in the majors. Yeah, no, not at all. He got a $2 million signing bonus, though.

Not bad. Travis Lee drafted second overall. You remember him from the Diamondbacks? Braden Looper. I got spit on by that guy. Really? Yeah, he was an outfielder, right? The first baseman, then he switched to outfielder when they decided he wasn't good enough to play first base anymore.

They were like, we need a little more production out of the corner infield spot sorry he played right field right yeah you can't hit 256 and fucking he ran for a ball james that was hit deep he hit the fence because it has that little chain link fence between the bleachers and the and he had shit in his mouth he hit the fence and that shit sprayed all over the front row of the bleachers and guess who was sitting in that front perfect right in my chest one of the bigger disappointments in the diamondbacks organizational history there disappointing as shit yep braden looper billy kotch also signed so that's like your first four picks right there all those guys were major leaguers. Three of them were pretty good major leaguers.

Travis Lee, of course, being the disappointment. Other guys, Eric Chavez, Mark Kotze, Adam Eaton, R.A. Dickey. A lot of guys that played a long time. Jake Westbrook, Gil Mesh. Shit, there's a bunch of guys here. Nick Beerbrot in the first round there. All these different guys coming out here. But Quincy himself here. brought in the first round there all these different guys um coming out here uh but quincy

himself here quincy is chosen by the chicago cubs actually with the 52nd overall pick in the second round so it's not bad they're taking yeah they could have had uh jeff farnsworth who actually played in the majors and a couple other guys after that but instead they took Quincy Carter there so by the way two picks after Vernon Maxwell not that Vernon Maxwell oh Jimmy Rollins was like five picks before that so that's a that's pretty fucking funny there you instead were like we're taking Quincy we can do at least they didn't fuck up and take Quincy Carter also Milton Bradley in that. Oh! A lot of alum there.

Jacques Jones. We had an episode. He was hilarious. So he ends up with a $450,000 signing bonus. Do you get that even if you don't play? Well, they gave him the sign. Well, you have to play to make the contract be executed. But they give him this. This is one of those things where the

guy before him and after him might have got five grand or something 20 grand but he got 450 because they knew they had to give him a bunch or else he'd go play college so he signed a letter of intent to have to have some leverage when it comes to this so he could get a better deal which is smart so he ends up now he's got a choice do i want to go play for the cubs organization or do i want to go play baseball and football at georgia tech do i want to go play for uh tech uh money on the record uh tax money or do i want to go play for uh under the books under our money go play off the books and like a coach drops off a big bag of taco bell once in a while like here you go a little extra mom's involved right now so he's definitely going to college right nope he goes to the he goes to play for the chicago cubs organization

is that right absolutely does georgia tech was pissed oh they were so fucking mad they were like are you kidding me they thought they had a quarterback lined up and he said no he's gonna save our school don't think so he uh he goes to the cubs his first year in rookie ball here he's at the uh in the gulf coast league he ends up uh playing in 55 games has 226 plate appearances 181 at bats hits 215 so um not great of this yeah 215 three homers it looks like here 37 37 ribbies, 18 steals. He's pretty fast, which is not bad. Only caught stealing six times, so that's not bad for a kid.

That's pretty good. He's only 18 years old. He also ends up being brought up to Daytona, which is actual A-ball down there in the Florida. Imagine aspiring to Daytona. Man, I finally got to Daytona, man. Dreams come true.a man dreams come true jesus dreams come true oh my god on the beach look at me oh is that broken glass shit that's right it's daytona long titties and broken glass broken glass and long titties i believe that's

the laughlin nevada like it's on the sign when you get there. The home of long titties and broken glass, I believe. Right? And it's just got a picture of like a long-tittied woman on the back of a motorcycle. Laughlin is the West Coast's Daytona for sure. Yeah, let's not give it too much credit and say the West Coast. It's in the western part of the United States. The coast makes me think there's water or something nice there's nothing it does have a beach yeah there's like a river

in laughlin there's a beach let's all stand by it it's a beach but it's just desert around it i know but then there's water in the middle you can park your motorcycle next to it and look at it all right then sounds great i mean we're water meets land that's a beach right my woman's titties need to get longer that's the only way it happens there's some magnetic pull in laughlin that takes their titties and pulls them down to their knees and then you look like you've been there before that's the problem gotta get gotta get rid of this sports bra tank oh Oh, Jesus Christ. Come on, honey.

Whip them titties out. Not even a swimsuit top tan. Just a big fucking white bar across her chest. Looks like a white censored sock. She just wades in ankle deep water so she can rest her titties upon the waters. The cooling waters. With her censored belly. Well, now they're going to be covered by her long boobs.

Yeah. It's true. It's a weird thing. You have to go to Laughlin and you'd know what we're talking about. We're not making fun of women's boob sagging. No. That's fine. It happens.

Guys' balls go down on their knees. It's disgusting. We're not talking about that. When that happens, you retire to Laughlin. You go to Laughlin. It's like there's a magnetic force that either makes your titties sag or once they sag, it draws you there. I'm not sure which it is. I'd have to check with someone who it's happened to, but it's very strange.

It's killing me because I've seen it. You've seen it. Yeah yeah it's such a strange sight that place is awful you're just like wow grandma come inside jesus christ there's no way that your skin can put up with to the sun too it's 114 degrees outside you're just out there hands on your hips just like that's right it's just miserable fuck man so uh anyway quincy carter in 97 seems like a you know seems like a step down and talk about this now yeah but it's i'm just stunned that he daytona they put their shit there and that's where people have to i can't wait till i go to daytona i can't wait yeah i'm gonna get there man and that's where people have to, I can't wait until I go to Daytona. I can't wait. Yeah. I'm going to get there, man.

And they're set up to desire that. They love it. He ends up playing for Rockford in 97, so I guess he's a peach. Yeah, I guess he's a peach. Dirt in the skirt, Quincy. That's nice. That's very nice. Him and Laurie Petty, I think they're very happy.

Pull it off. I'm a peach. I'm a peach uh so that is a ball still 105 games this is a lot of at bats he has 388 at bats so that's a that's a decent amount you can kind of tell a little bit more what a guy's got now he's 19 should be maturing and he hits 211 okay that's not good two home runs that's not great he has a hundred strikeouts at 388 at bats that's also not terrific he's ambitious at the plate he is half that many walks and he's also been caught stealing more this year too so it's not going

terrific for him but he's a kid this happens in a ball yeah it's like it's you know only a second year away from home guys some guys take a little while to develop so let's bring him in again rockford one more time this year for 98 here so in 98 he plays in 27 games 101 at bats hits 248 with two home runs so a little bit better only 18 strikeouts in 101 at batsbats, so that's a little less than 1-5 as opposed to 1-4. So that's better. He also, in 1998, though, decides that he is going to enroll in the University of Georgia. He decides. He is a bulldog.

He wants to go there to play football. Yes. See, that's what I mean. I was like, hang on to that for a second. He did it. Georgia's Tech challenges this and takes it to the NCAA board or whatever, and they finally rule him eligible to play for Georgia because they're like, that was like three years ago. Get over it.

Also, if you do get him, now he doesn't have any interest to do well for you. Granted, his future, but apart from that, he's not going to try near. You're going to begrudgingly be good at this for them that would gotta be shitty you're gonna grudgingly do this yeah so he goes in 98 and uh he wins the starting quarterback job out of this i look champ bailey's on this team by the way so he's no shit yeah goddamn he's a hall of famer isn't he champion goddamn close to it if not so i think he is i think he is george has a good team this year they go nine and three not too bad they're total they end up 14th in the ap poll but they go all the way to the peach bowl oh peach bowl where they play virginia and they win 35 to 33 so they win a bowl game not a bad time for Quincy. He plays in 11 games, 176.

He's a 60.7 completion percentage, which is damn decent for a college quarterback. 2,484 yards, 12 touchdowns, 9 picks, which hasn't played football in three fucking years. So that's not bad. That's not bad. Good enough to be the SEC freshman of the year. No shit. Yeah. yeah i mean he's 21 so i mean for a freshman is physically he's not really a freshman would be realistic 40 year old yeah that's the roughness exactly yeah he's sin bad coming in from teaching science science class

scott bacula looked like in a 40 in a broken way like oh don't hit me i'm not gonna be able to get up in the morning. Whereas Sinbad was like, he had like old man strength. Yeah, he had like a swagger to him. Like, out of my way, sonny. I've been playing football for 20 years in YMCA leagues. Knocking children over. Out the way.

Coming through. Now, in 99, he plays baseball again for the Cubs, which I don't get how that's legal, but it seems to be legal to play college and to play pro if you're in like a different sport because john elway did the same thing john elway played for the yankee for the yankees farm team for a summer and then went back to stanford to play football that winter so it makes i don't know what the deal is with that but i don't know he He ends up playing for Daytona again. He's pushed down to Daytona. I guess it's the same as like having a day job if you're like a stock trader.

You know what I mean? If you're like 19 and you just go to stocks and you just go work on Wall Street for your summer. The NCAA, that's an internship. Yeah, the NCAA is so fucked though when it comes to all these stupid rules and what you're allowed to take. Like you're not allowed to drop off a bag of Taco Bell to one of your players but like he can go play for the cubs first like it make where's the logic there right he can go make 450 grand he's been playing professional baseball for three years he's not an amateur so if you're gonna pretend he's a quote amateur then fucking what are we doing here this is stupid they should be able to pay the fucking

guy at this point because that's why they're unraveling all that bullshit now and thank god it's so stupid well it's when they when the guy who came up with the whole amateurism scam later on 25 years later said i'm the guy who came up with it and it's terrible and they shouldn't do it anymore i did it to scam them basically that's how i did yes yes that guy in the 80s he came out he came up with it in the 50s and then it was to so they didn't have to pay injuries for people and have to keep them on scholarship so they could just drop them yeah even back then they knew uh medical was expensive yeah it would be different honestly if the if the program was if the deal was hey once we give you a, no matter what happens on that field, you break your leg.

You're not as good as we thought you were. You still can. You can still go to school here for four years and we're paying for it. If that was the deal, that would be different. But they can cut you for no reason. And your scholarship's gone like that. So pay me then, motherfucker. I'm I'm an employee.

If you can cut me. This is ridiculous. Yeah, that's a good point. I it's because uh it's obviously money you can go any way you want but it's obviously money it's because it costs them shit loads of money when they have to put some of the chunks of the money and they make so much of it jesus christ and when they build hundred million dollar like practice facilities at some of these colleges, you're like, no. No. If you ask the kids, hey, do you want this or do you want to work out on the high school field and get fucking paid?

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wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to WikiHole ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. So this year in Daytona, though, he only plays in one game. He has three at-bats, strikes out once, doesn't get any hits, and he's done with baseball. That's it. He's

over. He gets over it. He shows up for one game and goes i think i'm better at football less frustrating yeah i'm the quarterback it's kind of cool and even still in the baseball career he's still fighting upwards he's not looking at the he's not at the peak this he's he's fucking every college girl in georgia if he feels like it this is crazy he's got a whole freshman of the year sec that's amazing he's the starting quarterback 99 the team goes eight and four they go all the way to the outback bowl that year all right oh baby the outback bowl uh 28 to 25 they beat purdue so okay close wins and shitty

bowls is their thing that they do one two of them though he's won two of them there yeah 11 games he plays in he's uh 56.8 percent percentages uh completion percentage 2713 yards 17 touchdowns six interceptions now he's doing bad five more touchdowns three less picks goddamn good uh 2000 the team goes eight and four they go all the way to the Oahu Classic, which that's at least something. You get a trip to Hawaii out of the deal. Or is it in North Dakota? Right, it's in Oahu, Montana. It's just on the board. It's by International Falls.

Just outside of Missoula. It's beautiful this time of year. It's great in early January. Really nice up there. Nice country. I really want that to not be in early January. Really nice up there. Nice country. I really want that to not be in Hawaii. Just a tundra. Beautiful.

Oahu, Wisconsin. Oahu, Wisconsin. They beat Virginia 37-14 in that year. You're telling me he is a three-time bowl winner, James? Three-time bowl winner. Three-time bowl winner. By the way, he was second team all sec in 99 and then in 2000 he's none of that there's a couple of shaky spots in 2000 here he only plays

in seven games because he injures his thumb but there's a and he also has a five interception game at one point that is just a really he has a complete shit game here. But there's a ton of rumors all around Georgia that his thumb isn't even injured. It's because he has a drug problem, and they're putting him in rehab for a few weeks, and that's the whole point. So that's the big rumor flying around Georgia here. Georgia ended up making his x-rays public to shut people the fuck up, basically. Like, here are his x-rays. His fucking thumb is broken. What do you want from us?

Like, yes, he might also be on drugs, but his thumb is also broken. So they're not mutually exclusive is what we're saying. So his coach later on said, quote, all I can say is that based on the information given me by the athletic director and the trainer, Quincy never failed a drug test. That's all he would say. So that's a very lawyer way of saying that as far as I was told through these proper channels, he never failed a drug test. That doesn't mean I don't think he was on drugs. That means as far as the NCAA knows, it's all in the books. It's fine.

What they want us to know is this. He says, though, besides that, he had great memories. He said, quote, The only thing that bothers me, this is Quincy, that I got hurt. I broke my thumb and it was like everybody turned against me. There was nothing I could do about it. I still love everything about the University of Georgia, but I couldn't help that I broke my thumb. And that year year only seven games uh 49.7 completion percentage that's because one of the games was just an abomination

six touchdowns 10 picks that year and he's five in one year in one game in one game so yeah six and five if you take that game out sure so you look at it and and also in 2000, one thing that was big that was positive for him is in one game they were playing Purdue with Drew Brees as quarterback. He was quarterback then. They're playing Purdue, and they were down 25-10 at halftime, and he brought them back to end up winning the game. So threw a bunch of touchdowns. So that was a big deal. And besides that, though, it looks like he needs another year to ripen if you want to be in the NFL.

He is sixth on Georgia's all-time passing list yard, seventh in touchdown passes, and tenth in total touchdowns. So the draft comes around, and he declares himself eligible for it. He's coming out early. Well, wasn't that his fourth year no that was his third year of college okay so yeah they everybody thought he was going to come back because he was injured and he needed to show himself a better showing he said nope want to do it right now and all the nfl teams were like that seems dumb like yeah everyone was saying he

might be like a seventh round pick he might not Yeah, he could not get drafted at all, people were saying. Like, it could, you know. As a quarterback, he hasn't really shown much yet to run an NFL team. When all the teams are stacked with quarterbacks, too. They're young, too. Oh, yeah, and good quarterbacks are in this draft as well, as we'll talk about here. So I have his combine numbers. Runs a 4-6-1-40,

which seems pretty decent. It's good for a quarterback, very athletic. Overall, his rating is a 68 out of 100. That's his combine rating, which is a B, which is fine, but it's not a first-round pick by any stretch. His Wunderlich score, by the way, if you don't know what the Wunderlich is, the Wunderlich is like a basic intelligence test that they give to every nfl player and some corporations use it as well because it's a kind of a quick iq test almost a good tool to see what people's like

fast responses to things and it's also another thing you have if you don't know it's a 50 question uh deal you have 12 minutes to answer and that's a big part of it is the time because if there's a question you don't know do you think about it for a while or do you move on and get the other questions right it's encouraged to move on so time management is a big deal too it just says a lot about how somebody's brain works it's a pretty interesting thing highest score you can get is 50 That's answering all 50 correct in 12 minutes. Quincy gets a 30 on this test. NFL average is 20.

And I have a bunch here. Here are the average scores by position. So you can see who are the smart people and who are the dumb people. Offensive tackle the highest. 26 is the average there. Center is next with a 25. That makes sense. Which they're doing blocking schemes and calling shit.

They need to do that. Quarterback, 24. Obviously, he's running the goddamn offense. He should probably be half smart. Guards are 23. So the offensive line and quarterback are the smart people. Yeah, that's the guys. Those are your guys.

Tight ends, 22. So there you go, even the ends. Then we go to defense. Defense, you don't really need to be that smart unless you're like a middle linebacker. I've told the famous story about the guy who, the defensive lineman who was a good player for years in the NFL. They wouldn't say his name, but he was so fucking dumb that he didn't know right and left. They would have to put an L and an R on his shoes, and that way if he knew whether he was supposed to rush right or left,

he would look at his shoe to know what fucking way he needed to go because he couldn't remember right and left. So sometimes they're not the smartest on the defensive side. It's literally two things. Can't remember it, damn it. Shit. what was that again now now the hand i write with is what now fuck shit i write with my pen in my mouth never mind fuck um safeties are 19 linebackers 19 cornerbacks 18 wide receivers 17 and then the

backfield is apparently the dumbest place on the field fullbacks 17 and halfbacks the dumbest of them all at 16 the guys that just fucking throw themselves into things you run into a block of guys twice their size that is a dumb thing to do yeah literally is their job to run into a brick wall every now there's like 11 guys all a bunch together who are all twice my size i'm gonna run in there and see what's going on that's shocking those guys have brain issues i'm gonna see if there's a hole in there you know so i only way to know is to run into it it's the only way you can tell find the soft spot i looked around we're gonna spend a few minutes on

this if you don't like that, I don't know. Go fuck yourselves. I don't know what to tell you because we're going to do it because I find it entertaining. The Wunderlich test is fascinating. It's fascinating. Absolutely. Sorry. Yeah.

Yeah. Fast forward 10 minutes if you don't like it, but we're going to definitely get into this for a minute. It's a little sidetrack here. His score is a 30. So I looked at classic scores to find out who's around him to see what that adds up to. Like Matt Hasselbeck, 29. He was in the league forever.

Rex Grossman, 29. Troy Aikman, 29. So he's smarter than them a little bit. David Klingler, who was a failed Bengal high draft pick, 30. What do we got here? Josh McCown, another quarterback, 30. Phillip Rivers, 30. He played McCown, another quarterback, 30. Phillip Rivers, 30. He played forever.

Quincy Carter, 30. Terrell Suggs, 30. Yes, he was a very smart man. Yeah, he was very smart. Drew Bledsoe, 36. Older guy, Jared Goff, 36. Wow. Yeah, pretty goddamn smart.

Jason Garrett, who was head coach of the Cowboys, 36 also, and he played Andrew Luck, 37. He went to Stanford. You kind of got to be a little smarter here. This is Tony Romo, 37. That's shocking. He seems like he is dumb as a stump. That's got to be from head injuries, right?

That may be from being, again, a Dallas quarterback at that era. He was getting rushed and sacked repeatedly. Yeah. But he was, when he came in, James, a very smart dude. And he still knows football. He knows football. His quick decision making is probably lacking a little more now. It's like, give me a minute.

Hold on a second. What are my options again? Oh, run or throw? Fuck, okay. Shit, I'm going to shit. I'm going to throw it away. I don't know what's going on. So Roma 37 though.

Not bad. Colin Kaepernick 38 by the way. Also not a dumb guy at fucking all Matt Stafford 38 right up there in the highs. Uh, Alex Smith, who's like a Mormon 40, uh, Carson Wentz 40. Alex Smith, who's like a Mormon, 40. Carson Wentz, 40. Calvin Johnson, the fucking beast, amazing wide receiver for the Lions. Very high for a wide receiver. It was the highest one I'm seeing here.

41 for Calvin Johnson. Incredible. Hugh Millen, who's Matt's brother, who's a linebacker. Oh, no, quarterback. That's a different guy. Totally different guy. My bad. This is an old Patriot quarterback. Never mind.

He was a 41 anyway. Blaine Gabbert, That's a different guy. Totally different guy. My bad. This is an old Patriot quarterback. Never mind. He was a 41 anyway. Blaine Gabbert, who is a complete failure. He's a 42. Fascinating. Fascinating, because he was god awful. So this doesn't translate to success or failure. It doesn't mean football talent. It just means quick wit and utilizes time.

It's just that shit. Ryan Fitzpatpatrick who's still playing somehow but harvard graduate 48 for ryan fitzpatrick uh mike mamoula the which is weird he's a defensive end for the eagles and he i think this is he got coached up on this though because he's the guy mike mamoula is the famous he's famous for making the combine workout a thing. He figured out he had agents and people that figured out you don't work out for football for certain shit. You work out for the combine workouts ahead of time. You get you.

So you get better scores. That's more money. They want to see every guy does that. Now, that's just that's what you do. The combine training. But back then he was the first guy to do it. so his combine scores were off the fucking charts and he was a high draft pick and an average player because he wasn't that great of a player he just had good scores and he scored a 49 on the wonder lick and he's you know i think that's probably because he

was coached on it a lot and knew that was a part of it somebody gave him a heads up uh pat mcinelli mcinelli that guy he's a punter mcinelli m-c-i-n-a-l-l-y i've seen the name he's a punter he scored a perfect 50 holy shit that's he's a smart motherfucker no now let's talk about the dumb ones um bottom of the bottom of the rack. And there are some very successful fucking players on here. Can I guess one of them? Please. For a reason unknown, I feel like Jeremy Shockley did really poorly on this. Because he seems like a fucking moron.

Like a real idiot. He seems like he would copy off Rob Gronkowski's homework. That's how dumb he seems. That's how dumb he seems. Hey, dumb he seemed hey rob you got the answer bro hey bro it says write your name jim yeah bro what you you know you've known me for years bro what's my name he does feel like he would copy rob gronkowski's homework and write Rob's name on it. Yeah, right on there. Oh, shit, dude. I'm so fucking hungover.

I was in Laughlin with these long titties last night. I just flew in, man. These titties swinging everywhere. You just get drunk and the titties hit you in the side of the head. He would post-date it so it looked like he didn't cheat. Oh, he didn't cheat. I wrote mine the different day. You wrote it for tomorrow's date you dipshit

no shit nice work stupid it's not a check that you don't have money cover fucking idiot so uh taking shrapnel for no reason right now but is he on the is he on the dumbest well look here a current new york giant and a amazing player i mean he's a incredible player uh shaquan barkley yeah zero zero dude he had to have like just chose not to participate like he just put his pencil down and said i choose not to participate or some shit um did he just turn it in empty i i don't know that's what i mean did he do like a like a abstaining abstention from over here yay nay abstentions conscientious objector to this test i don't like it uh that's wild zero how you fucking do that he turned it in which is i don't

like it written on i don't like this it's written diagonally across it, so I really covered it all in Sharpie. I want that to be true. Also, Bradley Chubb got a zero defensive end, and Tremaine Edmonds, a middle linebacker, also zero. They all play now. Yeah. Who else here? Morris Claiborne, cornerback, a four.

Really? Four. Frank Gore, who's incredible playing so good forever never slows down the like the the incredible like indestructible man of the nfl he's a six unbelievable he might be hurt and he just doesn't realize it he could be injured he's just too dumb to realize and he's like oh shit my legs were broken for four seasons no wonder why it hurts doesn't matter i've picked up 5 000 yards over those seasons frank horse he's not dumb though right no i don't know did he just stop midway through it and was like fuck it i got a date according to mr wonderlick he's dumb as shit it's weird vince

young famously did terribly as well the quarterback who you know was great at texas and then not so successful in the nfl he got a six also you want a little more out of your quarterback than a six uh tayvon austin a seven terrell prior a seven jesus christ that is not wonderful seb Sebastian Janikowski, a nine. Yeah, but. A Polish kicker. Yeah. What are these questions?

I don't want to answer these. Why? Hold on. I take plenty of ecstasy before I come, so I need one minute to process. Why does test have time limit? Wait, you stop now. Hold on. Wait, I finger this guy. I'm fingering girl while you talk.

I don't know what we say 12 minutes i think yeah i think he just didn't read uh no there's no his interpreter said it wrong aj green at 10 the wide receiver charles rogers a wide receiver 10 cj spiller who will do an episode on eventually a 10 jeff george the rocket rocket armed fucking god-awful quarterback maybe it's because he's a dumb son of a bitch with a 10 you dumb asshole he's a dick too everyone hated jeff george keyshawn johnson a mighty 11 so uh nice for keyshawn uh Leonard Fortunet, the running back, an 11. Fucking who else is on? Yeah, Furnet.

When I say Fortunet, yeah, Furnet. Just don't know why that came out. Randy Moss, a 12. I called Shocky Shock Lee a minute ago. Shock Lee, that's fine. Randy Moss, a 12. Okay. Hall of Fame receiver. He didn't need to be smart.

He's fucking a wide receiver. Ray Lewis, a 13. That's surprising because ray yeah talk yeah but i've also seen him on the field like putting people where they need to be and shit and like he's a that guy i don't know what in the he can't do these problems well he's goddamn good at figuring out what defense needs to be happening his football acumen is amazing it's incredible uh simeonon Rice, a 13. Also, yeah, Simeon, not real bright here, I'm going to say.

Donovan McNabb, a 14. Shocking. Donovan. I thought he seemed smarter than that always. I don't know. Eddie George, the running back for longtime Tennessee Titan, 14 for him as well. Jadavion Clowney, number one overall pick at one point 14 that's not wonderful marshall lynch 14 yeah cordell stewart 14 a lot of people falling into this category

jim kelly 15 quarterback hall of fame quarterback fucking 15 no he seems dumb as shit if you've ever heard him talk he's like well you know we all went stuff in like life situations i don't feel like any of these guys would ever have any fucking clue but football acumen is all there you would imagine right it's a lot of randall cunningham a fucking amazing quarterback 15 steve mcnair 15 wow dan fucking marino 15 which he seems dumb as a stump he's like oh you know i play football i'm from pitt dumb as a stump. He's like, you know, I play football. I'm from Pittsburgh. I've been hitting the head a lot.

You know, my mother makes an amazing eggplant parmesan, and I'm here to talk about the game. He literally said, I get hit in the head a lot in Ace Ventura. Yeah. It's the fact. I don't know. I thought I was thrown. When I threw to Hootie, I thought I was, like, in the game. I didn't even know where I was.

I was like, hey, I think Hootie just scored a touchdown. And I i think hoodie just scored a touchdown and i'm like oh jesus christ i'm in a different uh this isn't even a game what's going on here amazing that you said that that phrase because he literally said that i know it's kind of why i was so uh just a couple more derrick car current quarterback 20 for him really that's the average michael vick 20 that's in that cat teddy bridgewater's in there cam newton 21 this is kind of your average range there of uh of guys uh robert griffin the third 24 no kids starting to get a little better baker mayfield 25 says ben rothlisberger 25 byron leftwich 25 there, 25. I think he's a coach now, isn't he? Byron Leftwich?

Yes, he's a quarterback coach for, I want to say the Steelers? Maybe. Rich Gannon, 27. Remember that old quarterback? No, James. He was for Tampa Bay. And Tom Brady last year famously shook off his play call. Oh, that's right.

And went and called a new one. That's right, yeah. Like, no, no, I did better than you. And then they scored a touchdown on that play you did poorly in the league um shut up byron drew breeze 28 russell wilson 28 peyton manning 28 so quincy's got a higher score than all these fucking guys all these guys not too bad now jimmy yeah how would you like to take a sample Wunderlich test right now? Oh, Jesus Christ.

Four questions. I'm so nervous. It's four questions. You should finish them in 57.6 seconds or less. Okay. Should we start a timer? Are we going to do that? That'll be the thing.

So, yes. I've got a stopwatch on my goddamn phone, of course. Yeah, yeah. Do that. I'll tell you when to start. Hysterical. And I have to show you. I'm not going to read them to you.

You've got to pull your chair over here because I've got to show them to you because reading them is part of the speed. So, oh, sorry. Hold on. That's all right. Let's see here. Now there's a screen. Sorry, I had to get it. Are you ready?

I will press start and then I will start reading are you prepared can you read from there do you need to i think so do you need to roll closer roll back that screen up just a little bit so i can see the whole thing all right all right there we go to the right a little there we go right there okay ready needs it to be you can move your hand our hands are the same distance from the goddamn screen put it where you want right there don't yeah okay are you ready i'm gonna press start here i go and now okay uh let's see if you don't have 12 minutes to spare no no not that part no okay all right that's this is the counting from one to 100 how many six will you encountered uh there will be shit 20 e 20 e yeah very good okay uh lost in

the woods as blank is to the seat lost is to woods as blank is to see lost uh submerged drift skip what does that even fucking okay a film plays six times on Monday, Wednesday, and Fridays, nine times on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and 10. How many times does it play in a week? 56. Oh, I'm right. Yes, you are right. Yeah.

Oh, I left that in there. Damn it. Okay. From the two statements, I just guessed. Yeah, yeah. From the two statements, none of the gardeners are tennis players. All writers are gardeners. Some gardeners are tennis players. All writers are gardeners. Some gardeners are tennis players.

None of the gardeners. Oh, there's more. Time's up. Okay, there you go. The answer's B. So you got one out of four. Yeah. I would fail that. I'm a lineman. I'm a fucking lineman jimmy's gonna get like a 12 on this thing i

think total it's not bad let's see what you meant lost as to woods as to a drift is to see god that makes sense yeah like lost in the woods a drift at sea um you guessed well on the movie one that was pretty good and then it, from the following two statements, which conclusion is absolutely true? None of the gardeners are tennis players. All writers are gardeners. Some gardeners are tennis players. Writers are not tennis players. Writers are tennis players.

Some writers are not gardeners. Where do you even start with that? I don't get it. Well, they said none of the gardeners are tennis players all of the writers are gardeners so it would be yeah writers are not tennis players because the gardeners are tennis or none of the gardeners yeah there you go so whatever who cares anyway there's a football player that got every fucking one of those everyone in 12 minutes 50 of those questions in 12 minutes so 57 seconds i couldn't answer four correctly that's what it is man it's not 12th of the time james so he got a

30 so he's smart he's not a dumb fucking guy you just very good proved he's not and that's not an easy test because people might think the wonder lick is and it's the time if you had all day to do it you could get a good score but the pressure it's the pressure of the time which is kind of what happens in football especially for quarterbacks sure the thing about it is that jerry jones really likes quincy carter he saw a game with him and just fell in love with him yeah he's literally the only person in the nfl who really loves quincy carter as a quarterback yeah he could get him probably in the NFL who really loves Quincy Carter as a quarterback. He could get him probably in the fifth round if he wanted him. To be safe, the fifth round, just in case someone was going to take a flyer on him in the sixth or something like that.

By the way, number one overall pick in the draft. What year? 2001 draft. Number one overall pick. Was it Clinton Portis? It is. Michael Vick. Oh, no kidding. Michael Vick, Oh, no kidding.

Michael Vick, then Leonard Davis, the giant offensive guard. Ladanian Tomlinson, No. 5 overall. Great pick. Richard Seymour in there. Great pick. Decent. Santana Moss, Deuce McAllister, Todd Heap of Crap there at the end of the round. Not bad.

He was fine. This is fun to make fun of him uh round two number one pick in the second round is drew breeze who's fucking just got himself some hair and an announcing job second round second round yeah he was the first pick of the second round to san diego great fucking pickup for them so they got ladanian tomlinson and drewrees in their first two picks. Two Hall of Famers just boom, boom, lined them up. But also in the second round, number, where is this here? By the way, the Cowboys don't have a first round pick at all. No first round pick. They traded it for Joey Galloway, which didn't really work out very well here.

It doesn't sound good at all. No, no, no. So where did he go? Oh, here it is. Number 53 overall. So I think he go? Oh, here it is. Number 53 overall. So I think he was 52 overall in the baseball draft. In the football draft, he's chosen 53rd overall. How weird is that?

But they take him in the second round. Nobody else was looking at him for the next three rounds. They're like, let's use this pick on him. They take Quincy Carter with this pick. There he is. And Travis Henry, by the way, like five picks later okay who they could have used for a few years there because he played for a long time and was pretty good sean rogers the very good defensive tackle for the lions also picked a few picks later so not a real knee was pretty fucked up though right no that was

willis mcgahee travis travis henry it was good for a few years henry he might have got hurt in the nfl but uh yeah everybody laughed at his decision to make himself eligible in the draft and then jerry jones picks him and everyone laughed at jerry jones real fucking hard like you dumb rich twat this guy's such a dumb idiot perhaps he said to uh an intern i want to love on you and she told uh somebody that we wanted Lavagna Carter. She wrote it on the card and handed it to Paul Tagliabue? He was actually hitting on an intern, and she made the pick. He just says, Lavagna?

There's nothing else on it. Is there a Lavagna? And Quincy got up and put a hat on and came up there. Stuck a jersey on. I want a Lavagna. Is that what you said? All right. Maybe. We got him now.

But if you're the quarterbacks, the drafted quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, you're immediately famous. That's huge. Immediately, you're a famous guy. He says, quote, man, I was off to stardom here being a black starting quarterback for the dallas cowboys that's big business it doesn't get bigger than that maybe shortstop for the new york yankees so that is the first black store starting quarterback for the cowboys right i believe so yeah i don't know if maybe they had a guy start once or twice here and there and fill in

roles but that's the first like yeah he's the certainly's the... Certainly the first drafted. The first, yeah. I'm trying to think, yeah, the 80s, and then they had, like, Danny White and Steve Pallor and all those fucking guys, and the 90s was just all Troy Aikman. So, yeah, I mean, maybe after Aikman left for a year or two. Well, the 2001 Cowboys we'll talk about here and who they have. Anthony Wright. Was he black, Anthony Wright? I don't know.

I think he was, actually. Yes, he was, yeah. He was. then ryan leaf they pick up okay ryan leaf started three games for the dallas cowboys in 2001 he started yeah this was the big reclamation project because jerry jones he'll take he's a gambler he's a chance he's looking for those wildcats and those wells oil in these fields he's a wildcatter that's what he does, man. He's poking around. He goes, there still might be some left in this claim. I'm not, you know. Yeah.

Could be a spurter. We don't fucking know. Maybe they missed a pocket. Who knows? Who knows? This year, Dave Campo is the head coach. Okay. He was like their defensive coordinator that then became a head coach.

And then I think he got demoted after a couple years but stayed as like a coach yeah because on the hard knocks that they were on he was like hanging around there he just seems like this real dumb old guy i can't believe that they let him head coach a team doesn't seem like head coach material he just doesn't he seems like he's around seems like you're nice like grandpa but not a or you're nice like dad's uncle, but not your... It's weird. So they go 5-11, not terrific. Also, Emmitt Smith on this team, I want to say this is his last year on the team. It has to be.

Maybe the next year. He had over 1,000 yards that year, Emmitt Smith. Wow, not bad, but he only averaged 3.9 a carry. So it was going downhill a little bit. Rocket Ishmael on this team. Joey Galloway. Yeah, it's just speed. It's Jerry Jones.

Jerry Jones is like, he's like if 70s Al Davis didn't know what the fuck he was doing. That's early 2000s Jerry Jones. Yeah. Because Al Davis used to look at, if you look, it was just a track team. But he knew the guys that were also tough and he could also mold. This guy doesn't know shit. But by this time, you already know that Raghav Ismail, it's over for him. Because in 92, he was in college, right?

And he was great in 92. Yeah, that was a fuckload. This was a long time ago. He had 53 receptions this year for 834 yards, Rocket. But that's not what he... That's like 15 yards a grab. That's not bad. It's not terrible, but it's also not know what he that's like 15 yards a grab that's not bad yeah it's not terrible but it's also not like his you know peak or anything like that joey galloway also

just all speed they traded their number one draft pick for him just to have some speed on the team uh yeah very uh very interesting but uh quincy ends up winning the starting job at some point here. He plays in eight games, starts all of them. Only a 51.1% completion percentage, which is not acceptable post, like, 1974 in the NFL. Like, before that, when you were allowed to close line a receiver while the ball was still in the air, like, you could literally pass interference was fine. Because I think in 77, 78, they made a rule where it was like, still in the air right like you could literally pass interference was fine because i think 77 78 they made a rule where it was like i mean you can't hit the guy while he's trying to catch the ball you gotta wait till it gets to him so you know that's not okay 43 is not good no it's not

gonna work out very well but he uh that's what he does 1072 yards five five touchdowns, seven picks. But he's also a rookie. But he's the starting quarterback for the goddamn Dallas Cowboys. He's doing well for himself. It doesn't get any better than this, Jimmy. Honestly, it's top of the mountain. Grace. That's it. We have reached grace on Mr. Quincy here.

So what does he do? Somewhere during this time, I can't find the exact date, but he has a son. He has himself a son. Oh, no. They have a son, and he names him Quincy Jr., obviously. Little LaVanya Quintel. Little LaVanya Quinceañera Jr. There he is.

Quincy Jr. Quincy Quinceañera Jr. There he is. Quincy Jr. I wish it was Quinceañera. That would have been amazing. Quinceañera would be adorable. If his name was LaVanya Quinceañera, I would love it a lot. That would be amazing. I'd never call him Quincy. I'd just call him Quinceañera.

Yeah. That's a great name for a grown man. I'm sure someone on his team called him that. I'm sure. Yo, Quinceañera, fucking whatever the hell you're goddamn. Rookie, get your ass over here. Rookie. Some coach called him Quinceañera like a defensive backs coach.

Hey, Quinceañera, you throw it over the top, we're picking that shit off. Let's go. They sure did. Our safeties are looking, pal. So the 2002 season, Dave Campo, again, they go 5-11. That's two years in a row. I'd say he's a 5-11 coach. There it is.

Yeah. He loses his starting job during the season. They lose the seventh game of the season to the Arizona Cardinals 9-6. Oh, God. What a horrible game. Can you imagine watching that back i would be furious so boring goals all day so and if it was in tempe especially you're sitting on a metal bench yeah seventh game so it's not it's still gonna be hot out but it's not 111 but it's still hot on a metal fucking bench no back to your seat nothing on bleachers in that shithole so at this point jerry jones for some reasons down on the sidelines during this game

don't know why i don't know what he was way too involved in the team at this moment in time if he's down on the sidelines he's given up on his head coach and now he's running the show, if you're down there. That's it. So Quincy gets in a huge argument with Jerry Jones on the sideline on national television. Oh, you can't do that. So that's a problem. Yeah, and then Chad Hutchinson ends up starting the last nine games of the season because of that. Yeah, if you're yelling at the owner on the sideline, it's not going to work well. So Quincy starts seven games, 56.6% completion percentage. So he's moving it up a little bit.

Not too shabby. Seven touchdowns, eight picks. Could be worse, could be better here. So 2003, everything changes. Everything. Dave Campo, not the coach anymore. Now they bring in Bill Parcellcells which you can't get any more night and day than those dave campo's like all right guys just come back when the street

lights come on that's all i'm asking of you whereas bill parcells wants to control your every movement and molecule yeah to make his he's a general not a fucking he's been locked out of practice he's locking all of us in practice yeah now you just can't leave and he's going after it so he does this it's a big quarterback competition he says they're gonna have and to make it all a little bit more pressure uh uh hard knocks is also in training camp there so jesus um yeah uh that's pretty fucking fun. So Quincy's on the first season of Hard Knocks? No, the first season I thought was Baltimore. Was it the Jets?

Wasn't it Baltimore the first season after they won the Super Bowl? Wasn't it 2002 Baltimore, I believe? Isn't this 2002? Oh, wait, no, this is 2003 season coming up. I'm sorry, I want to say 2002 was i'm very confused now i think i think hard knocks the first season was dallas it might i remember watching it yeah i remember watching because i remember chad hutchinson and he was a rookie i remember the rookies talking a lot they talked a lot to chad hutchinson for some reason he was boring but uh guard knocks is great

because it makes you care if some like fucking punter that you've never heard of makes a team. I don't know why. If they can make you do that, it's good filmmaking. So 2,300 Parcells, they go 10-6. He's going to will you to 10 wins if you do that. They go to the wild card game, make the playoffs, and lose 29-10 to the Carolina Panthers. So I think Carolina ended up losing to New England in the Super Bowl that year, if I'm not mistaken.

2002, I think so. I want to say. So his best game against the Giants on Monday Night Football, he completes 25 of 40 passes, 321 yards, a touchdown pass, and a touchdown run. Dallas was down by three with 11 seconds left when he threw a 26-yard pass to Antonio Bryant that set up a field goal

that sent the game into overtime. In overtime, he went 5-of-8, including a 23-yard pass that set up the game-winning field goal, so they won in overtime. He was very clutch in that game, and he is the starter this year. Parcells says, you're the guy.

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57.8% completion percentage. So a little better than last year. He's picking it up. Not terrible. 3,302 yards. 3,000 yards is kind of the crossing of a good season. The threshold, especially it used to be back in the day. Now they throw a lot.

But 17 touchdown passes, good. 21 picks, not as good. Erratic would be the best way to put it with him. He's very erratic. He's just kind of good game, one game. That game we described against the Giants, completely under control. Team on his back, very clutch kind of a good game one game that game we described against the giants completely under control team on his back very clutch and then a rival game that's a big yeah rivalry game monday night football and then the next week he might just air out a couple easy

picks over the middle which are just dumb passes so it's a you you win like that in big fashion on monday night and you start to get a little extra confidence in yourself. And one thing that the NFL is really good for is destroying all confidence. Oh, destroying it. And pumping guys up on Monday night football and then having them not be able to live up to it. That's the other thing they like to do a lot. They're so good at it. They want to blow that Pittsburgh running back right now, the rookie running back. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Harris? Is it Harris? Oh, yeah. the rookie running back oh yeah they want is it oh yeah they both they want to be just lined up waiting to get hammered by this guy because every time he doesn't even he won't even get a carry at the on the play and they'll be like oh god he's just look at him he's a he's a he's just a greek god out there okay he's amazing he's like he's gonna be sculpted oh he's a beast this guy but i mean they're talking about him like ah you just what you can imagine what he's like in the sack he's

just gonna grab you pull you back by your hair and just make you know he's inside you you know what i mean that's really what they're gonna do it's really frustrating for anybody involved with the nfl to see that guy play on such a shitty ass team. To see no offensive line. Yeah. It's hilarious. Last time I saw him on, I think it was a Monday night game, he got fucking drilled in the head. And so they wanted to take him off. He like shoved the trainer like four yards off of him. Oh, it was just two weeks ago on Sunday night.

Yeah, he freaked out and he finally went in and did the shit he didn't want to do. And he was like throwing doctors everywhere. I like what is happening right now he did i think he did say get the fuck off yeah and then he dropped some n words at the guy yeah it's a middle-aged white guy with a towel in his hand i just want to make sure you're okay sir and he's like i'm fine he's like trying to put his helmet back on they're like no no you have to go off you have to use the protocol he's a tough son of a bitch that guy i love him he came back in he played he played in overtime he was a badass dude that dude's a bad motherfucker i don't think it went to no just end of the game yeah that was a interesting game so 2004 here uh that season he is projected to

because they got vinnie testaverti this year as their backup or possible starter so he is projected to, because they got Vinny Testaverde this year as their backup or possible starter, so he's going to compete with Testaverde. And then they signed some nobody quarterback to play third string or probably get cut maybe in Tony Romo. Just some nobody they picked up. My clairvoyant says, I can see what's's gonna happen i i can see it i got a crystal ball the projection is quincy's gonna win the starting role testaverti's a great backup he can come in and fill some holes and then they're gonna wave tony romo he'll be out of there that's what's

gonna happen here then it comes out that quincy carter failed a drug test just now but it's not his first drug test he'd also failed two previous tests what so that those they keep private then when you fail the third you get a suspension and it's public and that's what happened to him really so he fails another drug test and it's said that he's going to be suspended for the first four games of the season here. So now they that would leave them with Vinny Testaverde and Tony Romo. And then what's he going to do? This guy's going to come back. So the Cowboys go, you know what?

Fuck that. And they cut him. Parcells just cuts him done and done. And Parcells says he explains what happened. He says, quote, I became pretty close with Quincy personally, and this kid had a lot of good qualities. He says, quote, he was smart. He understood it. But I just couldn't save his ass.

I really couldn't. He said, you just didn't have the time. There he is. He's got his team in the playoffs. He's starting quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. He's playing good. He's improving. He can get out of trouble. He's pretty smart. He can make almost every throw. And it's just some people can't fight the pressure to succeed. They just can't fight it. It's just it's too much on them. Once the bar gets up a little bit, it's just too much. I don't know all the problems or demons exactly, but that's eventually what took him down.

So Parcells saying from being around him, it wasn't drugs. It wasn't, you know, mental problems. It's just some guys can't handle it when the pressure goes from just being decent because they didn't expect him to be the greatest quarterback in the world the first couple of years there. But now you go to the playoffs.

So now this next year coming up, you've got a lot of pressure on you. They expect you to be a top-tier quarterback who's going to take their team back to the playoffs. That's a whole other set of expectations. And he said Quincy just couldn't handle that shit. He did not want the expectations. He could do the job. He just couldn't stand being under that microscope. It was hard for him.

Was Parcells the coach of the patriots when uh bledsoe left for brady no no that was belichick was he was yeah bledsoe was was parcells his guy in the super bowl they lost to the uh to the packers there i was just fascinated and thinking that maybe uh he also got to see uho come in for this guy also. No, no, no. Different deal there. So anyway, he will end up suing the Cowboys for arbitration to seeking lost pay. I don't know about what.

The team ends up winning that, and he gets nothing from them. But three weeks after the Cowboys cut him, he's signed by the New York Jets. The worst place to go if you're a quarterback, if your name isn't Joe Namath and it's not 1965. Not a good place to be. Let's be realistic. Or somehow Fitzpatrick, who can, I don't know how, but weather that storm. And they still never won anything or did anything with him either. New York,'s a new york the jets eat quarterbacks and just shit them out they really do they just dismember them eat the parts and then shit out the hamburger that's what happens it's awful what a disaster for third

string uh talent elsewhere in the nfl it's fascinating people are longing for ken o'brien again here it's like it's fucking terrible so the 2004 jet season here he makes the team there go 10 and 6 under coach herm edwards fascinating not too shabby at all but he's not the starter he's brought in to back up chad pennington remember chad pennington and his weak-ass arm? Yeah, decent quarterback, though. He was a winner. He did well with the winning. Quincy ended up playing in three games. He started three games, played in seven,

because Pennington used to get hurt at the end of games quite often. Happened a lot. They went to the wild card round and beat the San Diego Chargers 20-17. So actually did that, got a win. Then they go to the divisional round and play the steelers and lose 20 to 17 okay either way very close here so uh not too shabby anyway uh he goes uh he only has shit not a lot 498 yards 60 completion percentage for quincy there you go uh but you know nothing special here three touchdowns one pick didn't was there running back that year didn't fucking curtis martin yeah it was a lot of

dump off passes to martin a lot of get curtis martin santana moss receiving guys like that justin mccarren's not not great wayne chabette remember wayne or whatever no no not a lot of deep threats because pennington couldn't throw it more than 30 yards so they had a lot of over the middle bullshit. Jericho, Cottery, all these little tiny little white receivers running around. Sherbet and Cottery and just dumping them off to these little fucking Patriots type receivers. So January 2005, though, here's the problem. He's there for the game against the Chargers.

Then the game against the Steelers come there, and they declare him inactive for that playoff game. And they're like, what the hell's up with that? No, no. The January 15th, they announced that he left the team to attend to his sick mother. So he's going to take care of his sick mother, and he's a good son. He's not the starter anyway. In reality, he went to enroll in a rehab program.

His mother's fine. Nothing to do with that. So yeah, ESPN.com reports that after the playoffs there, that he was actually in a treatment program and everything like that. Adam Schechter, shut your fucking mouth. Thanks, Dick. And he ends up being cut from the Jets also. treatment program and everything like that adam schecter shut your fucking mouth thanks dick and

uh he ends up being cut from the jets also if you have to be sent to a rehab during the playoffs they they're not you're not on the team they're not going to do that you're yeah you're a problem yeah the playoffs are we're so focused on this fucking thing that we've all been doing and if you have other shit going on you can't be here period you do that yeah you don't do this you do that that's how the nfl is it's cutthroat and that's what they do they don't go he's got a problem he needs help they're like let's get him help over there but we need not that here no distractions but he is signed the next year uh that's 2005 the 2006 season he's gonna play jimmy he's gonna play who do you think he's gonna to play, Jimmy. He's going to play.

Who do you think he's going to play for? The Jaguars. The Montreal Elouettes. Oh, no. Just slightly a step above the Jaguars, probably. Is the NFL over for him already? He's going to play in Canada, Jimmy. He's going to try to get his life together.

May 24, 2006, a month and three weeks later he is released by the montreal alouettes that's not good you don't want to be released by the canadian team you went to redeem yourself with he was pissed about it too he's mad he said quote this is a joke an insult so i just got cut by the fucking Montreal Alouettes. I was the Cowboys starting quarterback fucking two years ago. This is crazy. I just yelled at Jerry Jones. I just finished, and I'm already cut.

What happened? He said, quote, I was throwing all over the field from either hash mark with ease, and we were practicing in an indoor facility, so I couldn't even throw as deep as i wanted it's like they were holding me back and now they're gonna cut me the coach though don matthews he said that the release was performance related just didn't cut it he said someone had to go he was the obvious choice he had the lowest grades so he's worse than the other three Canadian league quarterbacks who I've never heard of when I read who the fuck they were. Never heard of one of them. So he was worse than them. And the other coach said, all players have to earn their spot. I've never promised players

anything. That's not my style. Other than that, I'm not going to get into a he said, she said debate. This was strictly performance related. Andter said bullshit he said it was clear to anybody at practice even my teammates you know where my talent was even after a year off i don't know what to say and he walked away it's an insult he was embarrassed as shit is what it was yeah mad embarrassed yeah he expected that obviously they he'd go up there and they'd be like oh my god it's quincy carter and he'd be the savior of the team. They'd at least treat him like that, you know, like, oh, we're so lucky to have you. Because our other quarterbacks are people that James has never heard of, which is not helping us a lot at all.

Because the rest of the guys here are Canadian. They're all Canadian. I don't know. We have a couple guys who played ball in the States, but they're real friendly. They don't want to win too much. They don't want to hurt the other guy's feelings. Our backup quarterback is a guy that just kept picking up the puck in hockey, so they just figured he should probably play football. Maybe that.

He doesn't really know how the game works. We're trying to teach him. It's been hitting the head a lot, though. It's difficult. So December 15, 2006, a few months later, this guy is not employed at all got nothing going on he is arrested and it begins and it's a it is a slip and slide from now on boy he just he keeps it together the whole time he's playing and then it's just like what is it it's been about four months i need to handcuffs if my wrists are naked. I need to be handcuffed constantly for the next 10 years.

It's fucking crazy. I had no idea this happened. But when I started looking him up, I'm like, holy shit. He's arrested here. This is a twofer. This is weed and domestic violence mixed into one. The weed I don't really care about, obviously. It's in Dallas, so they're still weird about weed in Texas.

They're so strict about everything. I hate Texas. Thanks, Texas. So, Quincy Carter, he's arrested on marijuana possession charges at the home of a woman who called the police saying that, quote, Carter has been throwing things around. Okay. He's just tossing shit around her house uh fucking cutting up this is 5 30 in the morning by the way which makes the behavior more aberrant yeah she didn't they're still up yeah

wasn't she woke him up and he wasn't ready yet no if it was right before dinner i feel like you'd let it slide throwing some shit around but 5 30 in the morning shit has got to stop or start but this isn't the way it does either at 5 30 if what you're throwing is not the alarm clock against the wall it's intolerable or a pancake up in the air off of your spatula to flip eggshells in the trash if it's not that we got a problem oh man so yeah i've been throwing things around 5 30 a.m. and police arrested him after finding him in possession of some weed and the fact that he was still in the house and wasn't leaving there. He was booked in lieu of five hundred dollars bond and released the next day. And this is the crazy part. OK, his bond is because he's he's held for 500 bucks he doesn't have i guess no any way of paying 500 bucks at that moment if he doesn't have a credit card on him or if he's broke still

waiting for the check to clear from canada i guess so he's still suing the jets i don't know what's going on to the cowboys somebody his boss he's bailed out this is like a movie you know in a movie people are like they're like heyissman, yeah, let's go. And you're like- You made bail. I'm like, what? How the fuck did that happen? What are you talking about?

And it's like somebody you met on the bus two hours before that. Some guy that now needs me to blow him with a dog or some shit. Yeah. It's like Dirty Rotten Scoundrels or whatever. And I'm beholden, because otherwise I'd be in a jail cell. I'd be stuck in the jail cell. So that's what happens uh rand randy gal all right come on all right at least spit on it first jesus christ that's the fucking courtesy can you make it fast please uh so this is a fort worth star telegram columnist randy galloway who's also host of the sports talk show

galloway and company back then on espn radio in dallas yeah he bailed him out why he called cowboy bail bonds which there's a name of a bail bonds place called cowboy bail bonds in dallas during the radio show so he did it like you, you know. It's for a bit. It's a bit, but he actually had to bail him out because he did the show, so he did it. Then later, he tries to act like he was just trying to be a nice guy. Oh, you dick. He did it on the air, bro. You're making fun of the guy.

Oh, he can't make bail, and he's arrested. Yeah, he said that he didn't see any conflict of interest in posting the bond since Carter's no longer playing. He's just a private citizen that he knew and wanted to help him out. The goodness of his heart. I hate him so much. I'm not liking this right now. He said, I've had a lot of fun with Quincy over the years, his problems and everything else.

But it's Christmas and Quincy Carter's in jail. And I hate to see that happen for him, for him to be in the position today where he can't post a 500 bond there's unfortunate problems in his life can somebody get this on espn.com on new york times everywhere that any press that'll run this please yeah goddamn break you're making fun of him for it which is fine you want to make fun of him i'm okay with that that's the thing run what are we doing right now right but we're not then saying we're doing it for his own good. I'm not taking up a collection for Christmas. No, Quincy, this is actually an intervention.

We're doing this for your own good. It's not for him. This is for listeners to laugh at a guy who could have done better and chose not to. That's what this is. He didn't break his neck in a car accident and then his life went downhill. He just chose not to show up for shit. That's not my fault. He scored a 30 on the Wonderlic.

He did fine. Yeah, that's what I mean. He's doing great. His producer also here, the guy's producer of the radio show, he said that the station or the show, they don't expect anything from Carter in return. You know, yeah, they're making fun of him. He said, quote, he had a lot of people that really liked him and his time as a Dallas Cowboys quarterback. We hope something like this will make him fly right from here on out.

Oh God. Fly right. You fucking douches. So anyway, when he's released by, because they, he's bailed out. This is a crazy string of events of how this happens.

He's bailed out kind of to pick on him, obviously, but they don't pick him up. They just call the show and call the bail bondsman and bail him out. And that's the bit. So he gets bailed out, but then he's just outside the jail. Nowhere to go. He needs a ride. Nowhere to, yeah, nowhere to be. So that's pretty fucking interesting.

So he's standing on the curb of the jailhouse there when a local television camera from one of the local news stations, they're following him tracking Israel. Oh, here's Quincy. Just got released. And now he's standing there with his paperwork and no ride, which sucks. It looks like your mom forgot to pick you up. Only you used to be the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. Now you're in a goddamn jail curb. Like somebody printed off the bus route

but the two looked like a four and now you're standing there 20 minutes late for a buck fuck man my mom's gonna kill me so he realized that he had no way back to his apartment at all he couldn't he couldn't get back there so he's like shit i'm stuck here so the cameraman eventually got all his shots and he you know got all his shots of him in and then was like, do you need a ride, I guess? Now that I've got all this embarrassing footage of you. The cameraman gave him a ride home. Wow. He gave him a ride home.

And this is the start of something weird that happened here. Also, first of all, he wants uh get a few things straight here about everything because there's a lot of rumors flying around about him quincy he says that um quote uh i've let myself down a lot especially this last incident i'm mad at myself because this is not me you can be upset about stuff that has happened in the past but when you let it get to this level it's too far i've got to stop putting myself in bad situations. That's what it is. He says as well that the rumors are not true.

He's not broke. He said he's not broke at all. He even said he was eventually going to arrange bail. It's just he needed to call and do a thing. Let's see. I got a checking and a saving. It's not liquid. I have it all do a thing. Let's see. I got a checking and a savings. It's not liquid. I have it all in a lot of investments right now.

So he's ship off a little bit of some a little bit of some crypto to get this done. Yeah, I got to sell that off, man. He said, quote, I'm financially set. I've got my 401k plan that I can't touch. That's good. He did put some of his money in a plan for himself. I've got some other investments that I don't want to touch. That story just came out from the news people who made this thing up that I'm not financially set. They just painted a nice

little picture for everybody. That's actually true. That was just a bullshit thing. I have no financial problems at all, at all. He says again, he reiterates at all. Baby's mothers are not coming after me. He says so. He has three children, but I guess none of them. I don't see. He never gets arrested for like child support shit. So he's obviously paying. He also says, I'd like to address rumors that I like cocaine. Okay.

Because if that's come out that I like Coke when I was with the Cowboys, I still like a little Coke here and there. You're not holding any, are you? No. Okay. Just that's because I that I like Coke when I was with the Cowboys. I still like a little Coke here and there. You're not holding any, are you? No. Okay. Because I don't like it. I don't want it if you are. I'm just saying. If you were, I'd like to tell you to get rid of it.

It's not me. It's bad for you. He said, quote, I've never tried cocaine. The one thing I've done ever is pot. Okay. Now, I don't believe him at all. Number one, because I have a quote from him later on that completely contradicts all of that. Negates the whole thing.

But even if I hadn't seen that, I still don't believe him because no guy his age calls weed pot. Yeah, that's true. You would say that as a joke if you were a kid. Like, ah, you're smoking the pot like your grandmother was saying it. But the one thing I've done ever is pot. And when people use words they don't normally use, that's a sign that they're lying. Like if they go into, I did not do this, and they usually just talk with contractions, that would be one of those things. Also, it's the generation before him that calls it pot.

We've always said weed, right? Yeah. Weed. There's a million names for it, but not pot. Pot isn't one of them. Weed is like the thing, or nugs, or fucking buds. Something. Bud.

I'm smoking herb. I'm fucking this, that. Bud and buds, the plural of it is like west of the Mississippi. Yeah, kind of. Yeah, there's definitely some linguistical breakdowns in that shit. It's certainly regional, yeah. Regional shit. So also, on some website, I don't know if it was Fox News, I'm not sure, or Fox Sports News, whatever the hell it is.

I'm not positive. It was either them or ESPN, one of the two. Came up with a rumor that he was diagnosed as bipolar as well. And he says, not true at all. Not fucking bipolar. Don't do coke yeah have lots of money i'm fine i have tried weed though i didn't like it but i tried it so they asked him if he's an addict you and i you a drug addict and he says quote that's a hard one to answer oh i don't need

to smoke weed i don't have to i shouldn't i do realize that it's not good you know i'll go ahead and humble myself and say that i do think it's a problem i'm smart enough to know that failing a test getting arrested i do have a problem i just don't like the word addict so yeah i don't know what that means exactly it doesn't mean much he should say the fuck are you talking about i'm smoking you go out and get fucking tackled by a defensive lineman. Do you want me to take fucking Oxycontin or smoke some fucking weed? Because I chose weed. Sorry.

Shit hurts. How about that? A lot of pressure out there. Yeah, but what he's doing is the diplomatic, I realize this shit's illegal, that thing. Yeah, it's fucked up. It sucks that he had to say it like yeah but because nowadays it would just be like he'd go yeah i'm smoking weed fuck yeah shit helps me i've got a problem with that bitch yeah that's what he would say fucking and it would be fine i

feel better it helps my legs out and my knees don't hurt as bad there's a man spinning a sign about it right there i mean are we really gonna split hairs at this point it's it's ridiculous now it's everywhere god damn it it's there's tourism based around it people literally go to oregon and colorado because of it and 15 other fucking states now same shit he also says that because of things said in the league about him by the cowboys that he's been blackballed by the nfl blackballed not that he has like a 54 completion percentage career-wise that's not what it is put it put aside the fact that i'm barely good at this yeah that i'm really middling at this shit here. He says, but he's been blackballed.

And yeah, that's how it is. So he ends up working at a high school here. Okay. Now, how the fuck did that happen? Okay. This is the weird part. This is where shit gets weird. It's to help him out with life.

Basically, the guy who bailed him out, that guy there, the cameraman who gave him a ride home, is a deacon at the Concord Missionary Baptist Church. This cameraman. He gave Carter a ride home and also then introduced him to the church's pastor. All right? pastor passed quincy's name on to the head of a company called vision regeneration which uh the guy says the pastor says the church is about rebuilding lives regardless of who you are so uh quincy ends up going to work for this vision regeneration that's how he ended up here right but cameraman to pastor, pastor to this. But he's a need rebuilding because he's financially fond.

Well, this isn't about money. He says, oh, I only make a small fraction of what I made. In 2004, he made $455,000. And he says, a little piece of that, you know. That's it. Now, the Vision Regeneration executive who hired him said, Carter has done more harm to himself than he's done to anybody else that'll change but for now our goal is to say bro let's not inflict any more pain on yourself fair enough so they said he's at south dallas high school most times there now that's where he spends his time working he uh is a hall monitor at the high school doing great reserved as a volunteer job for an eighth grader i mean yeah

or like a something for like a kid's grandmother who needs to get out of the house or something that's all the hall monitors were old ladies in my school they were like you know 65 year old ladies yeah they were tough old ladies you call that as security guards at my school and they were just old retired people they were oh wow we had like people with we had security actually yeah yeah we had security but my school though like actually like big pun was your security guard people like that like a big guy there was always uh police there too because we had a lot of stabbings and shit so we had like jesus there was a couple of stabbings there was one of the football game and the first day of school that kid almost died with the two steak knives he stabbed the

fucking other kid off right outside the guidance office so you're a little edgy about shit so yeah we had he double snake steak knifed him oh he double steak knife the fuck out of him yeah it was really weird it's crazy kid almost died it's a shame yeah you get stabbed in the neck a bunch of times it was good it's bleeding out everywhere so uh yeah they said he'll ask people where's your past and shit like that and they're like are you quincy fucking carter you play for the cowboys i think i saw you yelling on thanksgiving day built ourselves was it built no was it jerry jones jerry jones we were all watching that so they call him with vision a mentor in training that's what he is now uh yeah he's a mentor in training james madison high school's

football coach introduced him to their team and he said quote i introduced him yesterday to our freshman quarterback and he was just in awe quincy's like wow you're a good quarterback quincy was stunned he was stunned quincy got his autograph and everything. He thought it was great. Got a picture together in one of his jerseys. So he said he shook his hand and said, man, I ain't never washing that hand again, the kid told him. Wow. To have that kind of impact is great. So there we go.

I want all of those quotes to be from Quincy. That would have been the greatest thing ever. I'm never washing that hand again. I couldn't help it. I just couldn't help it. I shook hands with a 14-year-old. He's a freshman quarterback. Never washing it again, man.

Absolutely not here. So this company, apparently this is a nonprofit organization, this Vision Regeneration. They get funds from the National Center for Neighborhood Enterprise, and it supplies salaried mentors for some of the at risk students and some of the dangerous schools there. They said that the people credit them with turning Madison High School there from one of the most dangerous schools to one where test scores drove up and there's way less violence and shit like that. to one where test scores drove up and there's way less violence and shit like that. So they're also, they try to do this with people who they're also trying to rebuild, like a Quincy Carter, trying to help him do that thing.

The assistant principal said, first of all, the kids are in awe. Why is he here? How long is he going to be here? Why is he here again? What the fuck are you doing here, Quincy? Shouldn't you have better shit to do? You're not even 30 yet.

Get it together. Yeah, you're still in your 20s. The fuck is wrong with you, bro? You're barely older than us. Yeah, this is too weird. You're like older brother age. You're not like, this is fucked up, man. Couple of us have brothers your age.

They went to school with you in Georgia. Remember? He said, the kids are in awe. How long is he going to be here? They're not used to having someone of his stature on our campus working. And then some of them were like, why are you not playing football? Another good question. There's a good question.

And those are the kinds of questions he's going to have to answer. That's a big part of what he's doing here. He said he's getting just as much as he's giving. I'm getting just as much out of this. He said, I was just saying the other day, man, these kids, they are feeding life into me. That sounds disgusting, but it does. That's fine. He says that he does want to play football again.

He's contemplating another run. He's going to make a comeback here. He said, quote, I don't know where God will lead me. football again he's contemplating another run he's gonna make a comeback here he said quote i don't know where god will lead me i'm just ready to ride his way instead of mine i've never seen anybody fail when they put their whole heart into god but i've seen people fail when they only go to rehab you haven't you haven't huh whole heart well if they if they fail then that's as proof they weren't putting their whole heart into god so it's one of those where you can just yeah well obviously then you weren't because otherwise that wouldn't happen fucking ridiculous so will he ever play again what do you think here

uh he says that he's considering it quote i've been at a standstill the last two years seeing if i could get back into the league what league is is that? Not the NFL. You mean Canada, homie? Because I don't think the NFL is happening anymore. You didn't show. If you were really good and then left, you could play again. But no. He said, I have no. Oh, this is a friend of his here.

He says, I have no idea how it will come out. We all want Quincy back to live in a quality, positive life. I just want to see him smiling again so he does smile when he is signed by the arena league to arena football two the fuck was that there was like a b league to that i don't know serious i guess it's the af2 is the league here he's he signs with the bossier bossier shreveport battle wings i've never heard of it the shreveport battle wings jimmy oh my god know what he's making i got a salary here 38 000 200 a week oh my oh 38 000 would be a huge step up this 10's $10,000 a year, James. He's making, I don't even, I think they only play like 10 games.

I think he's making like 20 games. Like $2,000. $2.50 if they win, though. Everybody gets an extra $50. Hey, guys, dinner's on me. There you go. Jesus Christ, he's making host money. Yeah, he's making uh host money yeah he's making host week weekend host money

that's for the weekend not for one show but you get hit more in football you gotta work five shows for that shit through the first three games of the season he was the third ranked passer in the league with a passer rating of 124.3 throwing for 18 touchdown passes, but then he missed a bunch of team meetings and is suspended indefinitely from the team. Doing great and just decided, no thanks. That is incredible. Yeah, that is crazy. One of the games he started against the Corpus Christi Sharks,

he passed for a franchise record eight touchdowns in their 81-35 win. Arena League is so stupid. That is the dumbest shit ever. 81 points. 81-35. Get the fuck out of here. So, yeah, the league's, he puts a one-year contract and everything like that. And so then, after the season's over, i think he's going to stay in football shape and

be going well apparently part of that is uh figuring out how to get out of jail it's a mental it's a mental game because on october 12 2007 he gets arrested again um this time it is more weed here again uh but it's also i sort of di involved in this too no felony possession because he's in louisiana so uh he's booked into the shreveport city jail just before 4 a.m on one count of second defense possession of marijuana so i don't have another possession in this state so he must have got arrested and it wasn't publicized across state lines if they know record for it there they can call the second. No, it's not federal.

They can't do that. So it has to be. He must have got arrested in Louisiana for it before. And it just didn't come out publicly. So, yeah, a 911 caller. If you're calling 911 about anything to do with weed, you're that's not how you use 911. Oh, not a 911 caller told police a man at the Circle K convenience store, Jesus Christ, at the corner of Yori Drive and Southfield Road in Broadmoor was selling drugs.

He's over there selling drugs. He's at the Circle K. Who cares? If you don't want any, stay out of that side of the parking lot. Leave him alone. What else do you do at Circle K? You're not there for anything but drugs and a thirst buster you've got to buy drugs and buy a giant fucking soda that's coming through really gross disgusting unclean lines 64 ounces of of sticky line

distributed gross soda who cares moldy they. Your sprite is black, sir. They stopped his car at 1.20 a.m., which matched the description of the car the caller gave. So they stop his car. The responding officer said he smelled like alcohol and took him in to get tested up here for that. They found he wasn't drunk, but he had like an eighth on him. Big fucking deal. An eighth in his pocket. Jesus Christ.

The former university. Oh, no, this is the police officer said, quote, we don't have any reason to believe he was selling drugs. So three grams of weed. What are we talking about? Who's he selling that to? And one bag, too. I got an eighth for sale. I'm really I'm going to make my fucking mortgage this month now no disgusting some goddamn person

called 9-1-1 because they saw him talking to someone because he's quincy carter and they know who he is probably and then fucking next thing you know he's a drug dealer so bastard probably paid for a fucking quarter too yeah yeah that's the thing he that's fucking great and he had the eight anymore oh no paid for a quarter got an eighth and now he's pissed off and now he's arrested now people are thinking he's the one because they thought he was selling weed right that's they were telling on him so the reaction of this this is battle wings owner dan newman here of the battle wings i'm saddened at the report of Quincy's arrest. Our organization carefully created an environment during the 2007 season to give Quincy every opportunity to succeed, not just on the field, but off the field as well.

This guy sucks. Because of his NFL past and the story surrounding his leaving the NFL, we felt like he deserved the chance like we all do to live through our mistakes and bad choices and try again. There are a lot of people in the Shreveport community who opened their arms to Quincy Carter and gave him that opportunity. And I am eternally grateful for that. My prayers are with him as he deals with what occurs. And we only wish him the best. Hair turned a bright shade of silver during that statement of we're not taking any response we set up an environment to make him successful he's that big of a jerk off he still fucked it up he still foster good decisions around here uh not this guy not this fucking guy so it's crazy so

anyway uh november 2007 he's gonna clean his life up jimmy he's gonna clean it all up and he has a new mentor who's gonna help him through these rocky rocky times and it's a man we know very well jimmy his new mentor someone to show him the ropes the right way to live life and it's not even one of my characters i swear to god hollywood henderson is gonna mentor him now hollywood if you don't remember hollywood hollywood henderson was a cowboys player who figured out a way to shoot liquid cocaine up his nose during games in like a fucking sinus thing bottle and uh also fucked a quadriplegic in the face in a wheelchair against her will,

then went on to stop doing drugs and win the lottery not once but twice. And his life is the craziest life anyone's ever led ever. And he's going to fix Quincy. Okay. Going to fence him. He's like the DDP of the NFL. They're trying to make him here. He actually moved to Austin to live at Thomas's house and the whole deal.

Like, yeah, he's going to like Jake the Snake. He's going to live in his basement. But the team he was on releases him on his 30th birthday. So that's no good there. So he's released. May 7th, 2008, though, he is signed by the Kansas City Brigade of the Arena Football League. Not the Chiefs, Jimmy. You're like, oh, wow.

Look at this. I didn't know of any of this. Arena League. Yeah, it's the Arena League. But it's the Arena League 1 anyway. This isn't like some off-brand fucking league. He's going to play Jon Bon Jovi's team. This is a big deal.

It's happening. He's 57% completion percentage for him here. Eight touchdowns, four picks in his season there. Not terrible. No, he hasn't played in a while much. So they had one victory at the time they signed him, and they were hoping that they could he could you know do some shit for him they called herman edwards who was his coach in

new york to ask about him yeah term is he a good guy or what and he called him quote of good character you can trust quinson went on to break all kinds of ncaa rules with the oh yeah he fucked everything up in like a year and a half harm's character is out the window too now in the nfl it's all hands on deck do whatever you have to do to win and then college it's like you're not allowed to do this and that and this and they're like what are you talking about get out of here it's not how you win i'll tell you how to win because they've been winning they've been doing all right no shit so. So 2008 also of this year, during the summer, he is invited to try out with the Miami Dolphins, actually. Oh, no kidding.

The Miami Dolphins, yeah. He's actually going to sign. I thought you were going to say Hurricanes. Yeah, I know. You were going to say some arena league fucking team or something. Yeah. No, but the Miami Dolphins, he gets a chance here. Gets a shot at it.

Tony Sperano's the head coach, 2008. He's the head coach. Who the hell knows? It might have been after the Jets he went there. So they said he's evaluated him on his arena league work, and he said maybe it could work. He said, we're just going to keep turning over, flipping over stones, and bringing in lots of people. He said, we're just going to keep turning over, flipping over stones, and bringing in lots of people.

He said, Quincy's there to have a workout. He said, it probably won't change for two or three years. Quincy's here, and we'll have a workout with Quincy. It was Josh McCown, Chad Henney, and John Beck. Henney was a rookie that year. He said, I'm pleased with the quarterbacks, and I think the competition is really good. It just means we have to make sure we're doing our due diligence on what's available. So he gets in there, doesn't make the team, doesn't make the team, or even training camp.

They dismiss him after his workout. He's done. Also, October 2008, the Kansas City team, they release him as well. The Kansas City non-chiefs release him as well. So that happens. Kansas City non-chiefs release them as well. So that happens. December 10, 2008, the Rio Grande Valley Dorados, or Dorados, however you want to say it,

they announce that they signed Quincy Carter to be their quarterback. This is an AF2 league. A couple months later, though, they then announce february 24th 2009 they announced that the eligibility rule will prevent him from playing for them in 2009 so he can't this is fascinating i'm blown away because i remember him playing for just such a blink and i never even thought two more fucking seconds about him because the cowboys had romo and the and the fucking nfl rolls on and that guy just in the dust disappeared yeah figured he was like coaching at some division two school or something somewhere so he's like a you know a

wide receivers coach at fucking southern smu or some shit i don't know anything anything so three days after they announced that he can't play yeah three days later febru 27, 2009, he is arrested again. So they would have released him anyway. So it doesn't matter. He failed to use his turn signal, and they pulled him over and said he had bloodshot eyes, slurring his speech. And he's arrested and taken to jail. Ends up with a blood alcohol level at.14, which is high. He's drunk. That's drunk.

Almost twice the legal limit. It's.08 in Texas. He's drunk. That's drunk. Almost twice the legal limit. It's.08 in Texas. He's probably sobering up. He was probably drunker. Probably, yeah. Might have been a lot drunker. He posted the $1,000 bail and is released. Also had some weed on him as well.

So there's that, which is going to be a problem there. It's 2 a.m. near, yeah, there he is there he's to dui and possession of less than two ounces of marijuana is what he is arrested for um so everybody's very disappointed in him back to he was just at he lived at hollywood henderson's house from november to may when he was signed with the team then he went and signed with the team and everybody thought he was fine so the guy who just cut him three days ago the silver haired middle-aged white man who just cut him said that it would be quote very inappropriate for us to make a comment on his arrest he said on a personal note he wishes carter well hopefully he can get his life back in order they all say

you know and at this point i think that when the alcohol content of their blood comes out, it should be OK now for these teams to just say no sympathy for a DUI. Don't give a fuck. Yeah. He drank too much and drove home. That was right. Get a taxi at that point. At 2 a.m., if you've been drinking and you're on the road, I have zero sympathy for. I mean, at any time, really.

But at 2 a.m. specifically, because if you're driving and you make a mistake and get pulled over, you're getting a DUI. You're the only person on the fucking road. You know what's going on. You're not blending in anyway. Right. The cops know that people out tonight driving are probably drinking. No shit. Because people are drinking.

That's what they're looking for at 2 a.m. mainly. So Hollywood is very disappointed. Hollywood Henderson. He said, quote, it's very disappointing. Very disappointing. See? See how disappointed he is? He said it twice.

That's how disappointed he is. No bones about it. No. He said, quote, I've worked with athletes, celebrities, pilots, plumbers, housewives, all of the characters we use. He's worked with all of them. Sounds like. Why is he working with housewives? I don't know.

Why? I guess he's making them better. Hopefully not fucking them in the face if they're paraplegics. I've worked with all sorts of people. For the life of me, I don't understand why Quincy can't stay away from substances that literally destroy his life. He said he hasn't spoken to him since May, but he spoke to him or he hasn't seen him since then. He spoke to him a few weeks ago, though.

He said one of the early questions whenever I have a conversation with Quincy is, how are you doing and are you clean? He said that he was doing okay and that he was clean. So you just have to take a man's word for it. And speaking of taking their word for it, we should give him an in their own words words let's take his words for it let's take his in their own words for it jimmy what do you say let's get it on here uh in their own words quote i was abusing alcohol i had dipped into cocaine when you're an addict you can hide it all you want i was drinking extra to think i don't have an addiction you're an addict, you can hide it all you want. I was drinking extra to think I don't have an addiction.

You're drinking even more. The only thing I can do is work on it day by day. If I was to tell you two weeks fresh out of getting myself in trouble that everything is behind me now, then I'd probably be lying to you. I'm a pretty straight up and honest guy. I'm going to do everything possible to take care of this situation. And that's the only thing I can tell you. I'm not good now. Yeah.

The problem is he is he drinks a lot, as we'll talk about. His drinking is his main issue is the way I feel like it, because his drinking causes the only problem with the weed is getting caught with the weed. He's not doing things because of weed. We'll talk about it. He has done and will do things because of weed we'll talk about it he has done and will do things because of alcohol and probably coke as well mixed into that but yeah he uses the weed as like a buffer because he feels like that's the least bad of those so he says like yeah i do weed all the time that's my problem it's too much weed meanwhile he's snorting a line and fucking drinking

a bottle right so he's shame about the other ones whereas weed isn't there's no shame in that there's no shame for him in that he doesn't feel the shame right yeah as a guy that's from georgia there's no shame in smoking weed you know i mean that's a very common thing but doing grew up when we grew up fucking right it's great we don't care there is shame in an alcoholic and a coke head yeah so pot So I feel like that's how he feels. And it's, it's, it's similar to how a lot of people are.

It's just, you're, you're, it's like when a murderer and interrogations like, well, I didn't actually kill the person, but I did. I helped move the body though there,

but the person actually murdered someone. It's like, I'm hiding that part, but I'm putting the part out that I think isn't as bad. It's the part where a guy in interrogation says, yeah, I murdered him, but I did not rape them. Yeah I think isn't as bad. It's the part where a guy in interrogation says, yeah, I murdered them, but I did not

rape them. It's that. I did not rape them. Because in jail, there's honor amongst murderers. There's no honor amongst fucking rapists. Well, also, you can get the way they interrogate you is that escape thing where you go, well, I mean, shit, I can understand why you'd kill her. Christ, if somebody's yelling at me like that, slapping, I saw she must have scratched you a couple.

Of course you hit her. And then obviously she fell down in her head. I get it. That happens. People do that with kids. They go, I hit my kids all the time. Detectives will tell them, not your fault that the kid's clumsy.

There's literally, that's what they tell these people to make them feel like they can admit to it. But it's hard to say with rape. It's hard to be like, I mean, sometimes you just gotta to take that pussy, right? And then have the guy think that you're serious while your badge is on your belt, you know? I don't see how. I could never sell that, though, because, of course, I've smacked my kid or whatever.

I don't beat my children. It would be really hard to try to equate beating a child with an object versus smacking their hand. Don't touch that. It's not done yet. You know what I mean? A little on a different side. So right after this, he is signed by a team, Jimmy. By a team, the Abilene Rough Riders.

Okay. Yeah. In Abilene, Texas. Part of the IFL, which is the Intense Football League. It's not international. No, that sounds like they fuck each other, the Intense Football League. Losing team gets fucked, everybody. Winning team gets an extra 50 bucks.

Losing team gets fucked. That's how it works. The XFL was a piece of shit, and this is a knockoff of that. Pretty much, yeah. it's the xfl was a piece of shit and this is a knockoff of that pretty much yeah a professional indoor football league that began in 2004 main focus was in texas but they also put their first put a first professional football team in alaska as well they did that it folded into something else that we'll talk about quickly i have to go over the all the teams that have ever played in the intense football league as you know they have dumb shit names.

Yeah. All of them. The Alaska Wild. That's the least stupid. Amarillo Dusters. That's just honest. The Centex Barracudas. Central Texas, I assume.

Corpus Christi Hammerheads. The El Paso Rumble. The Fairbanks Grizzlies. The Frisco Thunder. the Katy Rough Riders, Katy, Texas, the Laredo Lobos, the Louisiana Swashbucklers. Oh, boy. The Lubbock Lone Stars, the Odessa Roughnecks, and the San Angelo Stampede Express are their all-time teams.

So they're all so cowboy-oriented. Yeah, it's all Texas shit. They ended up merging with the United Indoor Football League to form the Indoor Football League, the IFL. So that's what ended up happening. Either way, he's cut by the Rough Riders after this happens. May 12, 2009, he's arrested in Abilene. Oh, God damn it, Quincy. So they cut him.

He's arrested on a probation violation warrant. It's just a warrant he had for violating his first probation with the drunken driving. He had the violation arose from the drunken driving that he got while he was on probation. So they arrested him for that. There was a warrant. July 2009, another arrest warrant is issued for Quincy. For? Young Quinceañera.

Please, my friend. He failed to appear in a Hidalgo County State District Court in Edinburgh for two hearings on a marijuana possession and drunken driving charges. He's arrested in mission shortly after a deal for him to play for the rio grande valley dorados fell apart because they tried to go back there again his attorney tells the monitor that's the paper here that carter may not have known about the court dates because he hadn't spoken to him in a couple of weeks so he's arrested for that that sounds like could be a

misunderstanding yeah understandable it happens court dates you're in different states oh i thought That sounds like could be a misunderstanding. Yeah. Understandable. It happens. Court dates are in different states. Oh, I thought that was in Shreveport. But then May of 2010, he is accused of making terroristic threats to a Duluth woman. Oh, boy. Jesus Christ. Like on the phone? On the internet?

What was he doing? Something. A Duluth woman told gwynette georgia police that he threatened to kill her and uh yeah threatened to kill her and all this type of shit we don't know if charges were ever filed in this but definitely there was reports taken of terroristic threats which makes sense because then it seems to have escalated because october 24th, 2010, oh boy, police officer, he just cut her up into 12 pieces. He did. It was wild.

Very unexpected. Very unexpected. He really, can't believe we haven't heard more about Quincy Carter. Cut her up bad. October 24th, 2010, officers respond to Lawrenceville, to the home of his girlfriend at one o'clock in the morning. You know, this is going to go bad.

She called the police at 1am and said that Carter came home, quote, drunk again, drunk again. Um, she told him that she wanted to, she was done with the relationship. Yeah.

He drunk in the middle of the night. This is a good time for this conversation. She's done with the relationship because quote, she's had enough of him being drunk all the time so i mean this is his issue this is very texas it's yeah things turn violent after that as well they turn pretty violent she's a 35 year old the girlfriend here he um jesus christ he quote put his both of his hands around her neck and started choking her according to her statement in the report he also punched her in the mouth and in the face several times oh you dick and then right before he left he got one last shot and then punched her in the right eye jesus Christ, man. The officers that are there

observed scratches on her neck, bruises and cuts on her arms, lips, and face. She was beat, just beat the fuck up. She looked like she got beat up. Gee, looks like an NFL quarterback grabbed you and punched you a bunch of times is pretty much what they said. Meanwhile, last week, there was on Twitter

a video of a football player throwing a girl around the room, not punching her. They found him within moments, man. Oh, yeah oh yeah yeah this is and everybody's wishing death threats and prison rape on the fucking guy how did we never hear about this dude choked her and punched her grabbed her by the throat and started throttling her in the face that's very violent man that's not i mean any angry man anything's bad but to grab someone by the throat and just work their fucking face over you're an angry motherfucker man and that's like if you did

that dude you'd have to be super pissed off to do that to a woman that's crazy because he's shit-faced and she's tired of it in the middle of the night like because she's had enough of this she's had enough of your bullshit he uh yeah he's drunk and he hit her because he wanted to end the relationship. That's what they said. Yeah, not wonderful. But he doesn't get arrested that night because he takes off from there. So he punched her in the eye and took off. She called the cops.

They were out looking for her. They don't find him for nine days. Oh, my God. Nine days later, he stopped on Duluth highway and atkinson road in a vehicle with an expired tag after they questioned him they discovered his license is also suspended by the way his license well get to it in a second hold on because if the officer's quote is hilarious so he then tells you oh no he tells it here he tells the officer yeah my license has been suspended they go oh well how long the officer yeah my license has been suspended

they go oh well how long has it been since it's been suspended a couple of months did you just you know overlap something he goes about six years since almost the 90s he's been driving with no license for six years it's been suspended wow since just after make him say uh fucking crazy yeah he's like remember that masterpiece song when he wasn't popular anymore that's when i lost my license that's about right it's about when little bow wow came out that's yeah remember that that was bad right yeah it was since little bow wow was a fucking child that's britney spears was still on her first run she hadn't gone nuts and then become a hero somehow either of those things tried to stab people with an umbrella yeah before that

this is when she was on uh like mtv and they were like what do you think about the iraq war and she was like i just think we should listen to the president y'all and just do whatever he says and i just believe in america and um can i dance now because these questions hurt they hurt how long have i my life have you heard of trl that's when oh god so he's arrested and charged with three driving violations and also the outstanding domestic battery charge so he is released that day the um the officer roe carter stated he did not have a driver's license because his driver's license expired in 2004 which this is now 2010 which is just hilarious

so yeah he's arrested on that and everything else. Six thousand five hundred ninety six dollars in bond. He bonds out, so he must have some money. But then he's just where do you go? You've had Thomas Henderson has you've tried that. DDP didn't work. Yoga is not happening for you. You've been a mentor. That didn't quite work.

Everything you've done is like you. You go forward forward two steps back one step forward three steps back he just keeps fucking doing this was four steps back he beat the shit out of a woman this is unacceptable the texas system lets you out that day it's fucking wild so there he is yeah i mean he's just calmed down yet he's still bubbling from punching her and that's what he's doing. He's sitting there trying to calm down. He's like, fucking son of a bitch.

And my life is a fucking disaster. And this sucks. And then out of nowhere, he starts hearing a lot of dogs barking. He's like, what the fuck? Now there's dogs? I don't even know if I like dogs. And don't worry. The dogs aren't for him.

But there is a person there for him. It's Bobby Colorado, animal trainer from fredericksburg texas and he says uh how is it you come to arrive here what the what the fuck is wrong with you ah seriously like you know look at me i'm not an athletic guy. You can see that. I got my qualities. Don't get me wrong. I'm good with the animals and things. I got my qualities. But to be quarterback for the fucking Cowboys, you're like Roger Starback over here, for Christ's sake.

And you're fucking that up? What the fuck is wrong with you? What are you snorting some fucking coke? Now, why don't you play for a while? You could have made yourself $150 million. You could have snorted coke off of fucking beautiful women's asses while you had a blunt the size of your fucking femur in your hand for the rest of your life. Your whole fucking life would have been set up. Now, you're by yourself.

Your girl don't want you no more because you're so drunk. You're beating the shit. Yeah, it's done now. You're beating the shit. Yeah, it's done now. You're beating the shit out of her. You need a dog, I think. Maybe it'll keep you on track. Hollywood Henderson couldn't do it, so maybe I got a nice dog possibly. You look like you could use a friend.

The guy from ESPN ain't your friend, you know what I mean? So that's all I'm going to say. I'm going to give you my card. You contact me later. You got to calm down still a little bit. I'm going to get out of here. And poof, in a cloud of marinara sauce and dog shit he's gone and quincy is very confused but considering getting a dog he's considering it so that might be a good might be a good idea

he was a bulldog there you go he is one of the dogs so 2011 he for he forges a relationship with a local Christian academy to help coach middle school football. Oh, no. Yeah. If there's a reverse grace, this would be, I think, arrests and all this shit. This is just depressing. Yep. They said that they described the connection to the school as to help the school and as a means toward his recovery. Here.

This woman who apparently helps run the school, quote, my husband, Jesse Chisholm. Come on. All right. No. My husband, Jesse Chisholm, as part of his ministry, as part of his ministry, began a mentorship with Quincy through different therapy through our athletic department. Okay. So interesting. He says, we might call it crazy, but I know God does things in mysterious ways, and you

never know when you'll be in the right spot at the right time. I was, and I'm just so thankful to the school, the coaching coaching staff and most of all to God for this opportunity Quincy He's all good. Now. He's good now Jimmy God is on his side. So you know so Then she said quote over the summer. He just seemed to keep going down. So he involved him less and less That's the woman who helped her on the program so upon learning about that arrest, they cut ties with him immediately.

And they said, quote, we are praying for him. Of course, that helps a lot, which they're probably lucky they did that because the next year, July of 2013, he is arrested again. Again, for for family family violence simple battery this time this is just ridiculous uh the woman here is holding an infant at the time when he threw a child safety seat at her jesus so he threw a fucking either a booster seat or a car seat at a woman holding an infant. Asshole. Which, not very, this is bad.

Zero respect. Yeah, and if you've been arrested for throttling a woman before, maybe you just don't avoid anything like this at all. It's a misdemeanor charge, because he didn't beat her silly, but he did fucking throw a car seat at her and could have hurt the kid. So that's fucking ridiculous there. Nobody was injured bad enough to need medical attention, but he definitely is getting arrested for that. And he two days later, he makes his bond of thirty two hundred bucks. So it takes him a couple of days here. February 19th, 2015.

He's signed by the Corpus Christi fury of the american indoor football league are you how do you what the guy's at the end of his rope and you're oh i suppose you got to give a helping hand to people from time to time but not for football no he doesn't need any more brain damage this guy's clearly got issues he hasn't played in years he has more women beaten than teams played for in the last five years he's beaten more women than nfl teams that's that is crazy not cool um so yeah the corpus christi fury american football league in 2016 though the team canceled several games during the season and only played one game against an a an aif member uh never announced by the team itself they folded before

their may 15th game against the stars giving them 24 hours notice that they'd be unable to make the game hey stars not showing up we don't need to tell anybody. Nobody's going to be there. Yeah, that opportunity's over. But Quincy is doing, according to him, he's good now. He's so good, he's reaching out to others to help them because he's got his life so far together. Okay? Yeah, so far together. And in 2016, he gets on Twitter and offers help to Johnny Manziel.

The last guy Johnny Manziel needs to hang out with is you, Quincy Carter. That sounds to me like Quincy's just looking for extra coke. Yeah, he knows where it's at, and he's a rich kid. He's probably got good shit. He's got great coke. He said, hey, and then tagged at Johnny J j manziel to hit me up i've been there i want to help you make this comeback it's never too late to make a change to get back on your feet

quincy carter so um i think it is actually possibly too late for quincy it's also too late for johnny it's way late for johnny and also he shouldn't be talking because august 26 2016 he's again in handcuffs so what the fuck is he talking about uh he's arrested on outstanding warrants from the 2009 dui charge dw i didn't take care of that he's taken into custody in corpus christi transported somewhere else uh about 140 miles to hididalgo County Jail, where they were there. He literally tweeted at Johnny Manzo while he had a warrant. While he had an active warrant. Man, I've been there.

Help me out. It's never too late to make a change. First thing you should do is clear up old warrants. I would love his next tweet to be, make sure you don't have any old warrants. That's the first thing I do when I'm cleaning my life up. What a fucking idiot. He's so 30 on the Wunderlich. 30.

Smarter than you, Jimmy. How does that make you feel? This man's smarter than you. Does that make you upset? That is unbelievable. This is not fair, right? Fucking ridiculous. His problem solving skills are so much better than mine

yet he does not use them in his whole life is a problem how does that work how does that work you almost you almost have to feel bad for him you know what i mean but not nearly not even close to as bad as i feel for there's a shitload of Quincy Carter's by the way. Right. So many Quincy Carter lead generation specialist at bear com in Dallas, Texas. I guess that's,

you get Texas to just, yeah. I don't know if that's just gay men. They generate them. Lead generation gets leads on gay, hairy dudes that they can introduce to people in Dallas. It could be him james it could be him uh quincy this definitely isn't in quincy carter research scientist at eli lillian

company i don't think that's him uh greater indianapolis area here is uh quincy carter jr not his son though a different quincy car Carter Jr. It busted in Columbia, South Carolina. He is accused of shooting into a home. He was arrested, charged with discharging a firearm into a dwelling, and he's being held on less bond than Quincy was held on in the last arrest, by the way. Quincy Carter, a running back in high school somewhere, Kent Meridian High School in Kent, Washington. He graduated in 2014, but he's still out there. That's pretty good. He rushed for 2,905 yards and threw for 2,292 yards and scored 33 touchdowns, setting a school record with 389 rushing yards in one game.

What are the odds that that's his kid? I don't think it is, because he's too old to be his kid. He graduated in 2016. Yeah, he would have been a little old. He would have still been in college. And then finally, Quincy Carter. Oh, there's two more. Quincy Carter, a freshman in what goddamn college is this? I don't know what college this is.

It's not his father, not his son, though, as well here. He's from Georgia, though, which is interesting here, and he plays basketball. Then finally another Quincy Carter. Quincy Carter here, he plays, he's from Decatur, Georgia. His whole deal here, I don't know, it could be him. He kind of looks like him in the face. This could be his son. I'm not positive, okay it's whole deal here um i don't know it could be him he kind of looks like him in the face this could be his son i'm not positive but it's it's positive there there's there are so many quincy carters with like murder charges it's crazy i found like four different there's one in kansas that is bonkers like this about this guy named quincy carter who fucking

it was a small town no i don't think it is it's a crazy day though man i read this case and i was like please let this be our guy just so we could talk about it but it's not that's fine though um so 2020 comes along yeah and he says quote i went to rehab about seven months ago it ain't an easy task but the only way to beat it is to wholeheartedly surrender. It's sad to say I'm 42 and learning how to live again, but this is where I'm at. So once he passes nine months of sobriety, he says he's hoping to find a job. He does pass that, and he says he's hoping to find a job as a high school football coach here. Ends up seeing one of his kids at this point for the first time. Hilarious. Meets his kid. You want to see a picture? Cute as of his kids at this point for the first time hilarious meets his kid you

want to see picture the cutest shit look at this got a picture of his cute ass little kid in there oh shit look at that bow in her hair cute as fuck right she he says quote god is so good this is a tweet seeing my 10 year old sadie for the first time was only God. Addiction drove me to places I never imagined it would, but after surrendering to God, things I never imagined would happen, happened. Thank you, God, for blessing me with another wonderful child and spirit. That was February 9th, 2020.

So he says, quote, I was reaching and grabbing straws now. I was reaching and grabbing straws now for anything that would make me feel better. I realized I had ruined my life and great career with drugs and alcohol and not with the man above to restore me. Hold on. He said he ruined a great career. Yeah, yeah. You ruined potential of a career. There you go. It's not called a great career yeah yeah you ruined potential of a career there you go it's not called a great

at making enough money to not have to work again yes that's what you've done and now not quite great career i've you know i had that one game in monday night football remember that can't ever take that away from him though he says that he hopes that his story of consequences will help the next generation of pro athletes. He said, this is the passion I have. This is what burns inside of me because I do not want anyone to feel what I have been feeling over some time. Yeah, I will give him this, James. For an addict, he has incredible skin.

Did you see the fucking- Oh, Christ. You look great you look he's clean and clear he's not like a junkie at all you can tell that he's not a junkie or like he's not a crackhead living on the street he's doing fine he's using moisturizer he's doing great he's just it's just that minuscule amount of chemical in his body fucks his behavior yeah and the rest of it he's fine yeah so he decides to start a quarterback school oh boy it's quincy carter's quarterback school it's called and quarterbacks and receivers too

because you gotta have someone to throw to at the school and just have them throwing them into walls it's based in texas and he says this quote life is hard enough already why make it even harder you do not want these roads that i've traveled down to get back to where i am right now to pick my face up off the ground just do it the easy way man life's going to give you ups and downs anyway don't make it harder that's what he said he tells the kids as of july 2021 he had a camp going on that uh it's like a two-hour camp for each different age. The cost of the camp, 50 bucks. Not bad. That's fair for a day if he's going to teach them some decent skills.

He said, one thing I tell these kids at these camps is that everyone's going to be teaching you different things. Everything might not work out for you, and your body and abilities might not be there for you to do that. But you have to put something in that toolbox and make some tools along the way with you on every stop in your journey. That makes him very double talky. I don't know what he's talking about. I would pay $50 to hear exactly what he said to Jerry Jones. Yeah, I would love that. Whatever the exact words.

He screamed it, and Jerry Jones said, what? The fuck are you talking? I don't understand what you're saying. Tony, you're in. You're in. Then he said, quote, I've got the blueprint of how you can make it and be successful. Okay, just didn't use it. And then I got the blueprint of how you can destroy a career and how quickly you can do that by implementing some bad habits in your life.

It's everything because you're able to actually give a kid something that is so valuable to his life. And I know that getting a little bit older, being 43 now, you know, it's important. I know what I need to give these kids, being blessed with all these coaches and the man up above just guiding me along and giving me these kids what they really need. Fundamentally wise, it means the world to me sounds like a wrestling promo it's just like sounds like you just hit the middle button on your text over and over and over again yeah and then the kids and i did that he said it's rewarding because not only are you putting a smile on a kid's face but you're able to instill in a kid something you were missing on your road or maybe a mishap on your own journey he uh he said that his journey now includes a deep deep spiritual relationship spiritual and uh

he said man i'm blessed because god gave me another opportunity a peace and a serenity but not only that i finally found my purpose and what he wants me to do. That's what he's doing now. He's found the Lord. He's doing everything wrong. He said one of the guys in his school said, quote, Quincy, he's the perfect role model. He's been through adversity. He's been through some tough times. He's getting out of those tough times, and he's looking for opportunities to make young people better.

He's getting out of those tough times and he's looking for opportunities to make young people better. And he says that even though now his purpose is to help the kids and just be it's all for the kids over here. You know what I mean? He said he thinks back to those days when he was one of the first black starting quarterbacks for the Cowboys. And he says that he really roots for Dak Prescott now. He said, I'm proud of him because he's finishing the job that I didn't finish. Poor start. Prescott now he said I'm proud of him because he's finishing the job that I didn't finish I'm proud of him because he's not started he's not nearly the fuck up I was and still am so good for you dad for not

liking coke and having a thirst for booze that's unquenchable and weed before your tests and so thing women and punching women while throw a fucking holding them by the throat so can't get enough check out Quincy Carter 17 And punching women. And punching women while fucking holding them by the throat. Unbelievable.

So can't get enough? Check out QuincyCarter17.com. And that is not like he's not looking for 17-year-old kids. That's his old number. That's his number. And his next one, what is this? November, oh, this just happened. November 28th, Yellow Jacket Stadium, 3101 Hargrave Street in Austin, Texas. He was doing a says bring

your own ball and water. That's what it says. And it's 1130 a.m. is 7 to 10 year olds and then 115 is middle and high school kids. There you go. Quincy Carter QB school presents free kids a free camp. That's why I bring your own ball and water because it's free.

He's just showing up doing his thing. That's awesome and that's what he's doing he's trying to get his shit together trying to get his life together and um trying not to do coke and drink and smoke weed and fuck up and get pulled over and beat women and throw car seats basically just don't don't hit chicks and uh don't get duis and And you're doing fine. Without beating up the women, you're like, all right. He seems like a guy who's just kind of fucked up a little bit. He's trying. But then when you grab a woman by the throat and punch her, you've thrown all logic and everything out the window. And I don't feel.

Sprinkle DB into this and I don't have any respect for you. Yeah, I have to not. I have to cease feeling bad for you at that point. So that is Quincy Carter. Who knows? Could be more from him. He seems to be quiet for a couple years, then come back with a vengeance. So we don't know.

In two years, we could be doing a part two because he's gone off the deep end. We have no goddamn idea about Quincy Carter. We hope he does well. I hope he doesn't continue to do bad. It doesn't seem like he's a... He's not inherently bad. I think the chemicals are what make him bad. Yeah, he's one of these people that can't have fun. He needs to chill the fuck out and go home at 5 o'clock.

Jesus is good for him, I think. It keeps him away from booze, maybe. Good for him, or whatever the fuck he's into. I don't care. Enjoy, Quincy Carter. That said, thank you everybody for hearing quincy carter if you enjoyed hearing about quincy carter or any of the episodes in the past and you haven't done it yet get on whatever app you're listening on itunes or stitcher spotify

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Thank you so much, Liz, for the entire year. Yes. You're so sweet to us. Nice to see you as well. Thank you. Pleasure. Yes. Mary Zakarowski, Frank the South African Birdwatcher.

Kylie Gallagher is a real asshole. I don't know if you know that, James, but she is. I do know. Jordan Bennett, Donette Perry in Texas. Thank youagher is a real asshole. I don't know if you know that, James, but she is. I do know. Jordan Bennett. Donette Perry in Texas. Thank you, Donette. Thank you. I hope we get to see you soon.

Oh, you know what? She's coming to OKC. And she wanted us to know that she's driving all the way from Texas because we canceled the Dallas show for religious reasons. And can't wait to see you, Donette. Again, things like that. Quickly. If that got rescheduled, it didn't line up with anything else.

Maybe we weren't available on a weekend. Everybody on Earth was rescheduling. Sorry. Continue. Sarah George Waterfield. Marie Cephas. I think Cephas. Cephas.

Look, I'm not brilliant. Thank you, Cephas. You know I'm dumb. Other producers this week also are Jeff Shrewsbury, Peyton Meadows, Corporal Carl Kirshner tried 99 bananas, James, and he says it's disgusting. I guess so. Like we said. Brianna Bailey put her pup Lily down.

I'm very, very sorry, Brianna. Hang in there. The rest of this is happy news. James Marder, happy hour, rode through Eloy, Arizona. The poor bastard. Sorry about that. Don't judge the rest of Arizona. That's just as sad.

Wouldn't you rather put your pup down, Happy Hour? Yeah, I think so. Than be in Eloy? Yeah, I think so. Any day of the week. That's what it should say on their welcome sign. Wouldn't you rather put your pup down? Better than putting your pup down.

Eloy. Reagan Shalkley also. Thank you, Reagan. Good to see you again. Jennifer Visconti screamed, shut up and give me murder in a hospital. That's pretty fascinating. Tara Carl and Elliot. Tim Gostinoy.

Gostinoy. I don't know. Borat, not sure. I'm not sure what that is either. Samantha Quigley's sacrificial cup of coffee donated to us. Thank you, Samantha. Cool. Thank you.

Barbara Binns is driving to OKC. That's who's driving to OKC. Maybe Donette is, too. I'm not sure. We said it's either one cup of coffee or four episodes. That's what we said. So thank you. Good choice. Good choice. Haystacks Calhoun, James.

You know who that is? He's a wrestler. What about the Grand Wizard of Wrestling? Grand Wizard was a manager. Absolutely. Hilarious. Gary Friedman is certainly showing his age. Happy birthday, Sylvia. These are all before my time.

Matthew Holm is a double winner, James. Happy birthday. I'm a double winner. Hayden Tronis, I think. Trones. Happy birthday, buddy. Thank you. Travis Tessier, happy birthday.

Tessier, I'm not sure. Resin by Brie. Anthony Modica is a mailman who listens. Thank you. Travis Tessier, happy birthday. Tessier, I'm not sure. Resin by Brie. Anthony Modica is a mailman who listens. Thank you. Swamp Queen Creations on Etsy. Swamp Queen. Zachary Thibault. I don't know.

Thibault? Thibault. That's a tough one. Christy Ianni. Kit with no last name. Lee D'Addorio. Oh, boy. Jeanette Stalkup.

Elizabeth East. Alan James Corey. Ashley Fahey, Jesse Barr, Dave Staples, Maddie Ray, Cassandra Eich, Izzy Olsen, Hillary with no last name, Amanda Lynn, Kristen with no last name, Trish Hawking, Jennifer Montagna, Roxanne Tromley, not, what is this, no Tom, no Tom is fit too. Adam McKinnon, a.k.a. Nobby, I think. A. Nobby?

I don't know. Emily Eichstead. Amabo with no last name. Richard Dyer. Yvette Gaylor. Andrea Hinsberger. Casey Robertson. Lee Zumalin?

What? Alyssa Compton. I don't recognize it. What? I've never heard that before. Victoria Kroll. Brandon Haynes. Paul with expected to unrecognize it. What? I've never heard that before. Victoria Kroll. Brandon Haynes. Paul with no last name.

Nora Hubert. Rhett with no last name. Mike Stepanek. Christine Purvis. Carl with no last name. Karen Marufo. Oh, boy. Alex Schlosser.

Rebecca Jane Tidwell. Jimmy Wissman's hair. That's where it went. Kara Teal. Samuel Milbauer. Bryce with no last name. Eric Koenig. Koenig. Koenig. Matt Koenig. That's Koen went. Kara Teal. Samuel Milbauer. Bryce with no last name. Eric Koenig. Koenig.

Koenig. Matt Koenig. That's Koenig, right? I don't know. What do we know? Mary Favetti. Fabietti. Fabietti.

Fabietti. Why is that? Nicole Gattoni. Bobby Dunn. Alicia Johnson. Two Fidgety. Chase Johnson. Chris Tim.

Daniel. Danielle. Danielle Dahlberg, Chris, nope, that's Kurt, Kurt Stern, Zach Poindexter, Dan Leary, Jerica, Jerica, Carpenter, Al, no, Negard, Negard, Nygard, Nygard. Look, man. You said it every way. You said every way you could say it, Jimmy. We'll put it that way.

And it's certainly not good. You want any other pronunciations, use them yourself. I don't know what to tell you. We ain't saying it. Two o'clock high, Sophie Mitchell, Xavier Hill Roy, Maureen Smith, Texas Yankee 33. That's fascinating. Christopher Spurr, Kayla, Kayla, Kaylee, Kaylee Tully, Mercedes Windsheimer, Sarah Walker, Annie Olson, Skylar Rome, Collier, Vassallo. That's wrong.

Alana DeRocker, Ben Klusulski. Yeah. Kasselke. Kasselke. Nope, that's just S. Moving on. Williams. Alejandro Alvarez, Ryan Beatty, Joseph Singer, Alexis Pedregon, because I know who Cruz Pedregon is, Lance Cullinan, Julia Clarkson, Sarah with no last name, Kelly A.L., Vicky T.C. Thomas, Andrew Barrows, Matt Kemp, Brendan Moranski, Jenna D. Valentin, Jeff Johnson, Jimbo Green.

That sounds like I'm doing like you're mashing my words from from from an audio book. Jimbo Green. Jimbo Green. Separate ones. We just clipped them together. Yeah. Abigail Allerhead, Justin Davis, Elizabeth Berner, Sandy Dennis, The House, Natalie Eberling, Justin Davis, Elizabeth Berner, Sandy Dennis, The House, Natalie Eberling, Tori Bowerd, Susan Austin, Clay G, Alicia Wotherspoon, Kayla Brown, Tyler Hunt, Stephanie Sertle-Boykin, Nicole Pacini, Sean Turner, Dee, and another Dee.

I don't know if it's Dee Dee or if she's trying to tell me double D's or if a dude's trying to tell me double D's. Maybe there's two people named D. It's possible, too. Mackenzie Clark, Caitlin Grimm, Smurf Juice. That's gross. Ashley Catoni, Sean Christensen, Carla Purifoy, Chris Hosler, Sophia Anderson, Dustin Miller, Grace Shearberl. That's a tough one. Isaac Cummings, Trevor Robinson, Megan Unkafer.

What? Unkafer. I don't know. Sierra Will. Didn't work out the way you were looking. Giovanni Iwami, John Barnett, Loshine, Megan Jamieson, John Allen, Nicole Bulldog, Sean Edmiston, Shannon Ross, Joel Edwards, Lindsay Selig, Big Jack McBastard, Emily L., Carrie Luchez, Abel Areola, Brandy Fisher, Jessica Tomaselli, Cynthia Vinton, Taylor Hughes, Kathleen Laney, Matthew Volker, John O'Brien, Ben Erritt, Karen Gridley, Dana Forres, Jonathan Garcia, Molly Lenhausen, Dorothy Harkins. Yeah.

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Thank you. Thank you. i can't say thank you enough staggering it really do it's thank you honestly we appreciate everything that you do for us and we just hope that our pittances of thank you and our gratitude and also these bonus episodes we hope that that can make up for the everything that we just feel about it. Thank you so much. Gratitude we owe you. I hope it's paid in full. Thank you all so much. Exactly. Thank you for saying it like that. That was a better way to put it. Thank you very much. I like paid in full.

That feels like I earned. Like Rakim. Paid in full. So that said, Jimmy, how can they get a hold of you and tell you that you're paid in full, motherfucker? What do you got? You can tweet at me and tweet paid in full at Whisman Sucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N Sucks on Twitter and Instagram. Thank you guys so much. Where can they find you?

Yeah, you can find me at Jimmy P is funny. Or you know what? You can just Google the show. And whenever anybody talks about the show, eventually our names will come up in there because there's nobody else doing it. So it's just us. So you can look up the show. You can find us that way. That's also an easy way to do it and kind of go to shut up and give me murder dot com and get everything in one swoop there.

And you'll have a lot of fun. So do that. Keep coming back. Keep hanging out with us because we're not stopping. Damn it. We are not stopping. We'll be back again and live from the Crime and Sports studios. We will see you next week.

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