Crime in Sports - #287 - Soaked In Gasoline, Holding A Match - The Blatantness of Garry Sullivan

Episode Date: January 18, 2022

This week, we find ourselves knee deep in some seriously serious crime. He was an Australian rugby player, with a need for gambling, and a penchant for high stakes robberies. He, and an unlikely accomplice become 2 of the country's top 10 most wanted men, after a years long campaign of armed robbery. Banks & armored vehicles were their thing, incapacitating guards, and getting away with millions of dollars. But it's not all fun & games, considering he wrapped a man's neck with a chain., soaked him in gasoline, and threatened to set him on fire! Be a national hero, have a need to feed your high stakes gambling, and become a national menace with Garry Sullivan!! Check us out, every Tuesday! !We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!  Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail]  Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurder See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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and get a shout out you can do that using our email address crimeandsports at gmail.com Let's do this Jimmy let's do it. Alright. Let's go overseas here and we're headed out and we're going to talk about a rugby player again and we've talked about the team he's on before because this team chock full of criminals this is like

this is like the mid-90s trailblazers or like the anytime bangles or you could name certain teams the raiders of this certain teams have reputations for having criminals. This early 70s Newcastle, it's insane how many people are on this fucking team. What's their mascot for Newcastle? I believe it is a man in handcuffs being taken into a courthouse. I'm not sure. Okay. It's the jailbirds? Yeah okay we'll talk the jailbirds we'll do yeah we'll we'll talk about it

we'll talk about newcastle or who the hell he and our new town new town not newcastle see i fucked up already new town new town um so anyway we're going to talk about gary sullivan um now first of all the one problem is the spelling of his name is an issue. It changes? You'd imagine Gary's a pretty simple name to spell. Yeah? No. It's more letters? It's not.

Sometimes it's two R's. Sometimes it's one R, depending on what you're finding and what publication they're talking about him in. I don't know what his real name is. It's Gary with either one or two R's. It's really frustrating to look at it. And his last name is Sullivan. Gary Sullivan. He is born October the 18th, 1947.

Oh, he's an old man. Older guy now. Yes, indeed. He's from Newcastle. That's where the Newcastle came from in my brain. Newcastle, New South Wales, Australia. And if you are not familiar, we went over this in previous episodes, breaking down Australia's state structure and how that works. If you don't know, Australia is broken into a series of eight states, all ruled by individual Crocodile Dundee knockoff types.

It's a man in a crocodile vest with no shirt, varying sizes. Teeth around his hat band. Well, that just goes without saying, Jimmy. I figured they just, I mean, it's a given. Yeah, so large knife by the side. Rules are very different. They vary greatly. Basically, it's run by Crocodile Dundee warlords is the problem.

Paul Hogan runs his own quadrant. And with an iron fist, he rules, too. It's really a... You got to wait for your ruler to be stabbed in the chest by a stingray to get a new one. That's what it is. And it only happens once every, you know, so often. It's not common. I mean, once a decade or so, it's more common than you'd imagine, but less common than really they need, I think.

Bindi's the queen of one of those places by now, isn't she? Well, actually, she is being groomed to take over when Paul Hogan dies in his quadrant. That's kind of like the the fame quadrant all the famous people nicole kidman only goes back there when she goes home russell crowe's got a place there yeah that's that's that that area is the only area otherwise they'll be taken hostage fascinating place this is kind of how it's so funny if you think about australia and the us this is what I love about doing Australian episodes, because we're all laughing.

No one's laughing harder than people in Australia. They have the greatest sense of humor about what the rest of the world thinks when they think of Australia. They love it. They think it's the funniest. That's why I love the Australian people. God, the sense of humor on the screen. And they're thrilled because if we learn about the place we'll want

it yeah so they're like yeah that's right remain ignorant you moron it's Paul Hogan just threatening people with knives while kangaroos fucking box men in the middle of the street that's exactly what's happening whatever Bart Simpson did in that one episode with the frog and everything that happens the toilets are toilets are weird. Don't come here. Stay the fuck out. Leave us alone over here. Stop ruining our reef. I'm telling you, man. Yeah, you're destroying our reef.

We've had it. The shit you do in your country destroys our reef, so stay the fuck there. Yep, that's the opera house. You seen it now? You done? You about done?

Get the fuck back. The rest of it's a desert. What, are you lost, Ne, that's the opera house. You seen it now? You done? You about done? Get the fuck back. The rest of it's a desert. What, are you lost, Nebo? I don't know. The rest of it's a desert. And what the fuck? Go home now. Go home.

Oh, my God. All the way there just to go to Arizona with a San Diego attached to it. It's a long trip for Arizona and San Diego. It's a long one, man. I'm telling you. Because when you go to San Diego from Arizona, you even go, well, that wasn't worth the trip. Well, that was long. Just to go here.

Yeah. And this is a whole fucking ocean. So anyway, New South Wales, Australia. His upbringing, honestly, I don't know much about it. It's not real not real documented i do know that his mother is divorced and he has a stepfather i'm positive of that because of the trouble he gets into later involves his stepfather so uh and even at when he's in his 40s his stepfathers and his mom are still married, so they seem to have a stable relationship.

So, I mean, that's a plus in his life. In a lot of our stories, we don't get that. So that's good. That's a silver lining. It's a silver lining. I mean, the things they choose to do together, strange. Oh, boy. But definitely bonding experiences, I would say.

Great. Wow. This is fucking insane so he in 1966 who was he i'll make him 18 19 years old here he begins playing for curry curry which is all right k-u-r-r-i k-u-r-r-i curry curry um the curry curry bulldogs according to you know just internet at this moment are known as a semi-professional rugby league. I feel like it was maybe like a minor league. You know how all these work.

You have to play in kind of the juniors sort of a deal. It's in New South Wales. Formed in 1911, so it's an old team. No fly-by-night shit here. shit here and um apparently he plays for them for like four years and then he ends up with uh the going to play for uh newtown they're the jets the newtown jets gotcha remember we've we've talked about them before the dawson's they had a was a phil dawson and his twin brother were both on the team and phil was the one who i believe got caught with trafficking heroin and ended up in a Thai prison and rats bit his asshole. Right.

Correct. When he went to sit. When he went to shit in the toilet hole, rats would come up and bite your asshole, which might be the scariest thing we've ever heard in crime and sports ever. That's a bad prison we've heard of murders and all this crazy shit dismemberments and everything but never every time you take a shit to worry about rats biting grazing on your on your stink star that's not good thai prison rats that live in the shithole those are the special kind of rat this isn't your i'd rather be raped i i mean it's biting your asshole so it's kind of pretty close, honestly.

Yeah, it depends on what kind of damage you're looking to get. There's still blood involved. Either way, I don't know what's worse than a prison. I don't know what I'm more scared of here. I mean, I feel like if you told prisoners who are in a terrible prison and you said, listen, at least when you take a shit rats don't bite your asshole they'd probably go wow i didn't even know that was an option good yeah you know what you're right this isn't so bad good lord warden i've been raped were the rats eating your asshole yeah

what kind of question is that by humans or rats huh that's bad so um he plays starts playing for them in 1970 and they're in the premier league they're like the you know the main league here he's moving up to the majors the new south wales rugby league premiership he uh ends up that's a long by the way the nsw rfl premiership is a lot to say sure is that's a lot um so they were in the premiership is a lot to say. Sure is. That's a lot. So they were in the premiership from 1908 to 1983. They had some problems after that where they were, you know, they had to be knocked down. I don't know if it's like soccer. Poor performance.

British soccer, poor performance, which is amazing. You're like, well, you're not in the B League. You're in the B in the b league this year fuckers you know do better next time and you'll get all right i think that's pretty cool represented by you yeah you have to keep a certain level of performance the cleveland browns would have not been in the nfl for the last five years the lions would be playing yeah five years j Christ. The last fucking 20 years. Since Barry Sanders retired, they'd be playing there. The Browns, literally since they came back, would be there. Yeah.

Done. They've never been good. They made the playoffs once or twice or some shit. They were known as the, and this is wild here, they didn't get the Jets nickname until 1973. Oh. is wild here they didn't get the jets nickname till 1973 oh not till now before before that they were known as the new town blue bags which oh no why why would they do the blue bags no what is that they might as well call the dry humps out of this call them the dry humps if you're gonna call them the blue bags sweet christ that is terrible the new town on top of the clothes

just only on top of the clothes the new town bad handies my god the new town her parents came home the new town did youtown, did you hear that? Did you hear that? God, the Newtown, just the teenage fucking blue nutsacks. That is awful. I suppose you can't do Newtown teen rubbers because that sounds horrible. That sounds bad.

Yeah, that sounds like they make condoms for teenagers, whereas at least this sounds like they're keeping something in reserve. You know what I mean? They're holding back. How long do they have that? About, what are we going to say, about 65 years. 65 years. It wasn't just like a couple of years. Jesus, that's a terrible idea.

The Jets sound cool. No, no, no. 65 years. 65 fucking years of being called the Blue Bags. The Blue Bags. How much were you made fun of? How much were you... I mean, people just making like a jerking off gesture at you.

They're like, go ahead and finish up. at you like go ahead and finish up so that is just they didn't get the jets nickname till 73 so jesus christ when sullivan came on the team in 70 they were known as yeah the blue bags like i'm a blue bag good news everybody i'm a blue bag me and all the other blue bags will be over in a little while unbelievable that is just a crazy fucking name apparently it's this team's um where they play or where they practice is close to the airport that's how they got the jets i mean that's where the i assume that's how the new york jets got. Well, I know they just wanted a spiffier name. Something more like... Something modern.

They were going for modern. Jazzy, the Jets. They were the Titans before that, which didn't sound as... That sounds very old. I mean, like Greek old. Like fucking thousands of years old. It's very old. You want to get something a little more modern.

So they... 1983, when they were bumped out of the league, I guess it was financial pressures forced them out. I don't know if they, they tried to seek readmission all the time and all this sort of shit, but I guess they had a lot of financial problems. I don't know how that worked. They had a plan to change their name and all this type of shit and get a new

logo and change everything else. Yeah, I guess they were i don't know if they're in there now are they in there now or not i can't even tell by this i don't even fucking know what happened um i guess they have different league different like they're a different team now i guess they uh they didn't what the fuck oh my god i don't know what's happening this makes no sense to me. Okay.

I don't understand rugby or the league, so I'm reading this. I wrote it, this. Yeah. I put it in a thing, and I'm reading it, and it made no sense when I was putting it in there. And I'm like, maybe by the time I get to the point of reading it on the show. When I'm stoned, that'll help. It's going to help. And you know what?

It's not, I don't know anything about rugby and weed doesn't give me spontaneous rugby knowledge i just figured out which is amazing it says ultimately when the final deal between new town and the campbell town liverpool junior rugby league fell through in 1984 and it was confirmed by 1985 that newtown would not be returning the top flight competition the ashfield lid comb based western suburbs magpies suspended by the league at the same time as newtown but having had the financial resources to earn a stay of execution negotiated a deal for the 1987 season whereby west would move all home games to campbell town and claim ownership of the vast junior league in southwestern Sydney. Did that make any sense to you at all? No.

I don't know what that means, everybody. That means somebody bought their way back in, but I don't know who. And it's fucked up because there's an entire continent out there going, Hi, stupid. Yeah, that makes fucking sense. What the fuck is wrong with you? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. What the fuck is wrong with you? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Why are you so confused?

We're fine with this. This is totally fine. This makes perfect sense to us. We have no fucking idea. So 1970, he plays for Newtown. Again, we don't know how many appearances he has. We do know he has two t's i don't know what that is but there's a t categories of two of those and six points

so that's impressive i guess 71 same performance um same performance there um seven six two and six now 72 he's up to six Ts. Oh. So that's good. Those are tries, right? I think they are. And then he's got 18 points. So we did the math, and it's a three times three system here. So six times three is 18.

So these tries must be three points. It gives you 18 points. I'm not sure. There you go. He's also in international play. He does stuff here uh from 70 to um 70 and 72 he's an international play he was only in six games with newtown before he selected for australia's world cup squad for rugby right and i guess they won too so wow he was he was a uh his position i don't know what the fuck this means at lock i guess

that's a position in rugby you know what it is james it's champion that's what he is he's a champion he's a at this point yeah champion you know what champion grace let's just say it right now grace he's a world champion and he's playing in a premier rugby team we won't say their names the blue bags and make it a little take some of the shine off of it. We won't sully this reputation. He's playing. Yeah, he's in the majors. Yeah.

He's in the majors, and he's carrying an oversized football while other white guys try to tackle him. That's what's going on, I believe. Blue Bags across the chest. And they're just scrumming each other like crazy. You get Blue Bag from scrumming. That's the thing. That's true, yeah. When you're scrumming, you're always going to get a blue bag out of it.

And that's, you know, that's, that's. Yeah. I mean, scrumming's great while you're scrumming. But then afterwards, when you got your blue bags happening, then you're like, you know what? I don't even know why I bothered scrumming. Maybe I shouldn't have scrummed so hard. I shouldn't have scrummed so hard. I should have pulled back on the scrum.

Because, you know, now I got a scrum by myself and that's not as fun. So I got to have an auto scrum and nobody wants that. I don't even, I wish I knew more. I really do. We tried to figure it out though. It's fucking impossible. It's impossible it does it doesn't make any fucking sense to me no matter how many times i read watch i can watch the fucking game we try cricket you can kind of get a you can kind of get a handle on for it yeah this makes no it looks like

chaos and i have no idea and cricket looks to me like unathletic baseball exactly this looks like this looks like baseball for rich guys baseball for stockbrokers is what it looks like like we won't let any of those poor athletic people play yeah i don't want anybody to get hurt stick to our inbred blue blood asses there we go give it a nice half swing and knock it on out there. This is a different. Rugby feels like I would really love to fight. I just need it to look like I'm playing a sport. Yeah. Let's get a ball. Let's get a ball so we can have a legal fucking fight here in the middle of the.

Just so I can punch somebody legally. Rugby. And it's funny because like Australians realize it realize it makes no sense too because like they'll put out they it makes sense to them if they watch it the whole time but i've seen like memes from australia where it's just like yeah rugby's easy and then it's like 4700 things they're like see how easy is that what the fuck are you talking and that's they know it's a joke it's fucking ridiculous so yeah i mean and like i said american football if you just tried to introduce it from scratch would make no sense either yeah just everybody does this only one guy in motion and he can do that if you got into really the

complicated no no fucking uh you know your your tackle has to be covered on the end people be like what the fuck does that mean that makes no sense but if you watch it enough it makes sense so i get it calling illegal shifts and people like, what the fuck does that even mean? Look, man, I've watched it for 25 years. Don't ask me. The ref just said it's whatever they did, they can't do it. And I went, ah, yeah, because he's, I get it. Because that guy moved when he was set.

I don't fucking know. God damn you. They're moving back five yards. That's what it means. It means that that's a penalty. I assume that people in rugby do the same thing and then they pretend like they know it means now they have three tries to go 15 yards fuck them so in 70 and 70 i don't know what happened in the 72 uh one here but in 70 he had eight appearances two tries uh six points they had four wins three losses and one draw and overall from 70 and 72 seems pretty good i yeah it seems okay um yeah why not now

it's set i'm going to tell you this is just something from a rugby site that makes no sense to me but maybe it'll make sense to an australian person let's see if i'm speaking australian jimmy let's find out uh by the way i didn't say this at the top of the show but i should always say this when we're dealing with sports that are outside of our purview and shit that we know nothing about we beg you to find our ignorance charming please we mean nothing by it we don't know what the fuck we're talking about. The crime part we know we're good there, but this is going to be difficult. Okay.

Now, quote, following Ron Coote's decision to stand down from representative football in 1972. I mean, when Ron Coote steps steps down obviously at that point everything changes at the time yeah everything changes in the world when ron coote we all we all know where we were when ron coote stepped down we all knew um so ron coote didn't play so in 1972 sullivan made his new south wales debut before being selected in two tests against new zealand he scored two tries in australia's 36 to 11 win which that doesn't sound like a correct score 11 who didn't get 11 um what is that touchdown fucking two-point conversion and a field goal that's a terrible how does that work touchdown and two safeties i was gonna say three field goals and a safety? What are we working with here? This is terrible. 36-11 win at the SCG.

The SCG, Jimmy. That's prestigious, as we all know. My medal hangs on my wall prominently. Before playing in the second test in Brisbane. At the end of the year, Sullivan was selected for Australia's 1972 World Cup campaign. He was selected to play at lock forward. That's what lock is. It's one of the forward positions.

See, we learn if you read. Explain it and actually use the words, not a fucking shortened bullshit. No shorthand, Australia. The world doesn't understand you. We think there's kangaroos boxing men in the streets while Paul Hogan rules over everything. Do you understand? You're not representing yourselves well. Right.

Help us help you. We can't. You got blue bags and Ron Coot. This is not good, man. This isn't our fault. And you're throwing the word lock out there like I'm supposed to get it? You know nobody understands your fucking sport. Thank you.

Just explain it. Yes, exactly. Explain it to us, you bastards. So, yeah, he was selected to play lock forward in the tournament final against Great Britain, which was drawn at 10-10. How the fuck do you have a draw in a tournament final? If it's a tournament final, you play until somebody fucking wins. It's a goddamn tournament.

Play until they die. I don't give a fuck. There's got to be a winner. In every playoff sport in America, there's no such thing as a tie because it's the playoffs, so someone must be eliminated. There, they're like, well, let's both feel good about each other. What is this about? No, someone's got to

lose. Someone has to lose. Damn it. So, 72-73. What is this now? NSW City Firsts? What the hell does that mean? New South Wales City Firsts. New South Wales City Firsts.

I don't know if that's another team he played for. Like, is that their minor league team or something? Or is that another league championship uh league championship is that what that is i don't know he had three appearances in a try though in 72 and in 73 he had one appearance there so like i said i don't know if that's like do you send a guy down to the minors to rehab an injury or something you know how that works 72 though he had six tries for newtown with 18 points so crushing it and 73 he had two uh two tries for six points there so production went down i found feels like a peripheral player right yeah i mean they keep saying he's a star really here's a there's a big article about his twisted ankle

that you know that seems like that means something right yeah they're talking about his twisted ankle. That, you know, it seems like that means something, right? Yeah. They're talking about his injury. This is from August 31st, 1973 from an Australian newspaper I found here. Gary Sullivan, Newtown's Rugby League International, okay, will miss Sunday's semifinal game against St. George

and probably the Kangaroo Tour as well. See? Oh, no. You can't miss the Kangaroo Tour. He's going to miss the Roo?, no. You can't miss the Kangaroo Tour. He's going to miss the roo? You can't miss the round roo. That's a tour. The round roo is everything.

Isn't it? I do appreciate that they jokingly call it the Kangaroo. That's hilarious. The Kangaroo Tour. It doesn't get any more Australian than that. No, but they're not even joking. They didn't even know that everyone thought that's hilarious the kangaroo tour it doesn't get any more australian than that no but they're not even joking they didn't even know that everyone thought that was hilarious this is the early 70s paul hogan is not a glint in the world's eye at this point we don't even know who he is we don't know crocodile dundee we don't know shit in 1972 if you ask people what do you know about

australia they'd go oh wow um huh they talk funny shit kind of talk like kind of british right yeah isn't that like a prisoners or something for i don't know i like prisoners that have like hillbilly british language is that what it is it's like the west virginia of britain right no shit i don't know kind of kind of so um anyway sullivan it says a member of the last two world cup teams has torn cartilage in his right knee oh no that seems bad for rugby i would imagine sat too long it's that's that's what it is see we figured that out last week that uh if you can't your knees will just they they harden up like concrete if you rest it. You have to really.

If you just jump out there and start sprinting, they disintegrate. They'll explode. That's the thing. They're just stiff like concrete and they break right up into little pieces and it turns to dust. Yeah. Just dust cartilage after a while. Can't let your knees set. You'll really get fucked up.

So they say he'll know within 10 days whether he must have an operation i guess they're going to see how they harden over the next 10 days see if they set up see if they're set up to really hard and good or if they're going to stay soft and then he can be cool if that slurry comes back together yeah otherwise you're going to need surgery obviously if they get too hard you know so at henson park last night sullivan did not even attempt a training run with the new town team preparing for Sunday's big clash. Following his withdrawal, Newtown will field the team that scored such a convincing win over Canterbury at the sports ground last Sunday. Sullivan said he'd been working desperately in a bid to play, but his injured knee had not responded to treatment.

He says, quote, It's a matter of waiting to see what develops. That's all he can say. They say it's, I love how they describe him. It's a matter of seeing, waiting to see what develops, the broad-shouldered second rower said as he watched the Newtown teammates go through their training session. Fuck, that's hot.

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considered for the Kangaroo Tour. He's going to miss the Round Rue, Jimmy. It's over, man. He's going to regret that for the rest of his life. That's one of those things you get to do is the Round Rue. It's been a dream of mine since I was a young boy. I'm never going to get to do it. Now that I know it's called the Round Rue, I sure want to be a part of it. I want to be a part of it.

Sullivan, considered by some to be a strong candidate for selection in the touring team, had been playing top class football before his injury. If he is out of calculations, perhaps the specialists report to which which cleared beef to play again will be a vital interest to the national selectors. So there I think, yeah, they're trying to figure out if he's gonna if he's the man to represent him on the rue he's got to be healthy is what it is you're not gonna it's like the dream team with stockton with his broken leg it's like well what the hell did you bring him for then no good so this is to us between the blue bags and everything else this is all very shocking jimmy it's really is it's surprising and it shocking, but not nearly as shocking as the sales, Jimmy. Oh, Christ.

The sales from 1970. If you happen to be in Sydney, Australia in 1973, we have some sales for you, boy. Get to the store and get cracking. Oh, Christ. First of all, get yourself a bottle of Bell's Scotch Whiskey. Oh, yeah. I'm sure that still exists. Bell's, the largest selling whiskey in Scotland, it claims.

Oh. Yeah. And on the label, in like a quote, it says, before you go. So take a shot for the road. This is Bell's, the road whiskey this is your walking whiskey take a shot before you strap in behind the wheel it's a traffic can be stressful i'm gonna be nice and loose out there in traffic make sure to have fresh alcohol on your breath while driving you got your road whiskey got your road booze here your road bells uh it says old scotch whiskey

before you go it's it's amazing hysterical in quotes too on the label which is amazing or you can get yourself a and i just like i gotta show you this picture jimmy check this out i'll turn the screen towards you look at this bad boy here look at this guy how toasted does he look how drunk and happy is that guy so happy wasted is that the whiskey the whiskey here is lindemann's montillo sherry and it says the old smoothie and it's that's under the guy who looks shit hammered off sherry he's been it almost says cherries so drink it it's the breakfast look at that and it says enjoy the sherry you can be proud of gold metal montillo montillo cream sherry montillo sweet sherry montillo semi-sweet sherry montillo medium dry sherry montillo dry sherry

in bottles or half gallon flagons um half gallonons. Half-gallon? Half-gallon. That's a handle. That is, man. That's a lot. A handle of sherry for breakfast. Wow, you need like a backpack for that to bring it around with you. Still only 97 cents. What?

97 cents for a bottle of sherry that gets that guy looking that happy he really looks thrilled he's like i just fought a kangaroo and i'm feeling fine what's the alcohol content of sherry um let's see product of australia it's gotta be like sippable so it's probably somewhere in the like 20s or 30s right yeah i mean it's i guess probably not as much as vodka more than wine, I'm going to say. Yeah. So maybe probably 15%, something like that. Yeah. I just have no idea.

Some wine's that high, James. That's true. I mean, Frazier and Niles were always drinking it in place of wine on Frazier. Sherry? Really? Sherry was like their, yeah, they'd have Sherry or wine. I don't think I've ever had it. Sherry?

It seems like a, yeah. Yeah, I don't think I've ever had Sherry either. Isn't it like i know there's cooking sherry that people use but i've never yeah i've never said let's drink sherry seems like something an old lady would drink you know pour me a little cup of that sherry and you'd be like oh okay grandma here you go google that shit did i find out what's the fucking alcohol content grandma takes a little nip once in a while and you know she likes that sherry i don't even know what it is alcohol content how do you spell sherry is it sh sh e r r y or one r depending on your spelling of gary or sherry or whatever the fuck it is but this is lindemann's montillo sherry i don't know

if that exists anymore but yeah what's the general It's like, they call it sherry wine. Okay, so it's like wine. Okay, so yeah, 16 to 20%. Okay, so there you go. It's certainly sippable. So that's why this guy looks like that. Yeah, that guy's having a great day. He looks wine drunk.

He really does. He really does. I guess I didn't realize it was that low. In Mexico, tequila is like that. Tequila is low content like that. Drink more of it? Yeah, drink it all day because it's supposed to taste good. It's not supposed to be fucking like Cuervo disgusting.

It's supposed to go with food too, I think, because that's wine in Italy. The whole point is it goes with food. It pairs with food well, and that's how you do it. But they always show that old trope of a guy in a sombrero with a bottle of tequila and he's like drinking and you think like that guy would be fucking dead if he drank that yeah luckily for him he drinks every day like a monster apparently because then it doesn't affect him as much but but it's because the alcohol content in actual mexican tequila is low so that you can do that and it's fucking delicious i bet yeah if you if you take half the alcohol out of it it's not going to burn as much you can actually taste

flavors in it you know right i love that and shit when you're like oh this has hints of this and that and it's like it's 50 alcohol it doesn't have hints of shit except burn some fuck you're about to lose your sense of taste anyone tasting shit what are you talking about ridiculous so i also found an ad buy your own home this weekend at lakewood you can get one bedrooms houses starting at 22 500 bucks wow that's a good price two bedrooms 28 500 bucks you have uh you get a large balcony or patio overlooking the courtyard gardens and swimming pool the kitchen is just right with a wall oven double bowl sinks and fantastic decor now mike look at this new release of financing is available you can browse through two different display homes yeah and it's uh put out by hooker home units hell yeah sponsor of the blue bags oh no they

would they wouldn't if you go if you go to hooker your your your problems are solved there will be no blue bags around no no then i found an ad for just quote this is in bold letters basic religious questions there's a picture of this guy on here who looks real stiff he hasn't had as much sherry as the other guy doesn't look quite as happy and it says basic religious questions answered by alan walker on sunday night at the lysicum theater um yeah they're gonna have a fijian choir at 7 p.m the discussion is after after death, what? Then what? After death, dot, dot, dot, what? Question mark. That's literally what it says.

That's going to be a long talk. What happens then, everybody? Then we're going to have a folk gospel trio in there. This is a fucking party. It doesn't say when. It just says Sunday night. Oh, there's the times there. You have to put it together, though.

Then I found a bunch of job applications. Not applications. A bunch of help wanteds in the classified of the newspaper. And there's just some stuff I don't understand. One is a gyprox fixer. Gyprox fixer. What the hell is a gyprox fixer? They fix your gyps?

Fixing your gyps? Hey, my gyps messed up. Somebody rock my gyp rock fixer they fix your gyps fixing your jay my gyps messed up who needs somebody rock my gyp will you yeah my my bag is blue and i need somebody to rock required for work in metropolitan jip no gyp gyp rock fixer gyp rock is one word required for work in metropolitan area. Good wages and conditions. I don't know what that means. Let's see here.

There's a glacier. I know what that is. Trade's been required for interesting and varied work over award rate wages. Continuous overtime available. That sounds wonderful. General. A lot of gyp rock action here somebody that apparently the gyp rock they're they need gyp rockers over there if

anybody does that um wow groundsman required required by barker college uh must be reliable person experienced in the preparation of turf cricket wickets and playing of fields of course you have to know your cricket wickets to have a job this sounds like a lot of labor work huh yeah yeah there was a lot of everything work a lot like australia there was like the australian government uh mining operations where there was like high paying jobs like yeah very high paying we gotta build this country. They were really trying to put it together back then here. Here's one for a French polisher, which sounds really dirty.

It comes with your own knee pads. Man, French polisher for lacquer and paint required for work in our large modern furniture factory. So there's a few French polishers you need. Then this just sounds bad. Boy 16 to 17 required. Boy 16, 17 required. I need a bully around here. For timber mill.

The guys need to take turns after their shift. They've decided they need a boy between 16 and 17 years old we're gonna have him right by the time clock you punch out you take your shot at him and you fucking take off head on wow that doesn't sound good it'll be a bunch of sherry around here's another one boy required this says boy required 16 to 17 years no boy required why do they need so many boys around what why do they only 16 to 17 years why can't they be 18 or 20 years because after that they're not hot anymore yeah i guess so yeah that's what makes me think it's definitely sexual without that it's if you say i need a boy if you say i need a boy you go okay you need somebody to do like labor run some errands and do labor work no no 16 to 17 i need him that's starting to get specific

and sexual at that point it's an actual boy yeah one more year he's not a boy anymore i mean i want hair but not a lot of hair if you know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm saying? What's happening, Australia? Hell's going on here. Oh, my God, and you apply it, the Enduro Concrete products. Keep going and going here. Send your boy down there.

Send your boy to the Enduro Concrete plant. Also, the House of London, Australia's best suit specialists here, the $1 million opening sale. And you're going to get suits for $35. How the hell does that work? Unbelievable men's fully imported pure wool English suits, $15. Jesus. What the fuck? That sounds so warm.

Men's flannelette town shirt, $ one dollar a flannel shirt with a wool suit jesus christ men's western style denim jeans 2.99 2.99 my god style western style you can get uh lamb skin or lamb's wool not lamb skin they're not common lamb's wool pullovers for 350 also there so very cheap honestly for all this stuff and then i finally found i don't know what to make of this article there was a lot of political stuff in there too like australia has nationalized health care if i'm not mistaken now you just okay well in the early 70s that was apparently there was a they were talking about it because there was ads against it. Like, if Australia's healthcare becomes nationalized, this is what it's going to look like.

And it's like a long line of people in their underwear with prison numbers around their neck looking. It was like, wow. Dying in the street. It was dystopian as fuck. Right next to him, a kangaroo was boxing a man. So that made it a little cheerier. That's how they put you down. the street some it was dystopian as fuck right next to him a kangaroo was boxing a man so that made it a little cheerier uh but then i put you down that's the uh that's the euthanasia there this is a picture of two kangaroos and it says will america save our kangaroos is the headline i don't know why is it on us that's what i'm wondering when I saw that. It says the fate of Australia's national symbol, the kangaroo, rests not on Australia, but on the United States.

The fuck do we care? Hey, listen, Australia. I get that this was fucking 55 years ago or whatever, 50 years ago, but it's not our problem. We're not asking you to save the southern muskrat or anything. That's our problem or whatever the hell. I don't know what's endangered over here. Will you guys come over and stop the Palance from shooting all our wolves? Can you do that?

We got a wolf thing going on. We don't expect you to get involved. The Sun Herald has a special feature on how this bizarre situation has arisen. Two top American officials are in Australia to consider whether the kangaroo should be put on the U.S. endangered species list. Why? I guarantee you there's zero kangaroos murdered here a year because we don't have any to kill. If we had them, people would kill them, but we don't have them. Do we have rich dentists going to Australia for trophy hunts of kangaroos?

I don't know. Their decision means life or death for the kangaroo. How much kangaroos? I don't know. Their decision means life or death for the kangaroo. How much are we killing? I don't know. Is that at our problem? We must really be fucking with the kangaroo population. It's gotta be. And then under this,

I don't know what the deal is with these articles that are related to it, but it says Chris Anderson, the Sun Herald's man in Canberra, had his finger right on the pulse of the nation this last week of the federal blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. His assessment will make you help your mind up how to vote. Corruption in American police forces is so bad that spies have had to be appointed to trap guilty policemen. They're called investigative.

They're called internal affairs. They said that that's like crazy over there, I guess. I don't know. They can't believe that we keep an eye on people that have a badge? The Sun Herald has a feature detailing the corruption and what's being done about it. So they're really into America over here on that particular day. So those were the sales. Why are you asking us to fix your kangaroo problem?

We can't even fix our cop problem. Yeah, we can't even keep cops from doing shit according to you over here and then you're gonna ask me to fuck with kangaroos i don't understand this kangaroos i don't know we'll send all of our bad cops there to take care of your kangaroo problem well maybe they could be like kangaroo like an attendance we can yeah we can assign one to a kangaroo keep an eye on that one kangaroo will you yeah just make sure he's doing okay get him to fuck that other one and make more kangaroos imagine that trying to get kangaroos to fuck that seems like a hard job they seem way too close to humans in terms of uh how they behave and such they look like a guy in a kangaroo costume. They do. That's the problem. They look like us. They look like a man in a kangaroo costume.

Yeah, what's up, dude? My fucking, yeah, my kid wanted me to be a kangaroo for Halloween, so here I am, all right? Got a problem, and they start punching you. And their babies are called kids. I don't like it. I don't like it at all. They're too much like us with a giant tail,

and they box. They fight like us. I don't like it. They fight. They kick. Yeah, they're dicks too much like us with a giant tail and they fight they box they fight like us i don't like it they fight they kick yeah they're dicks kangaroos they do everything we do and to us i'm sure in australia people are like oh you fucking asshole kangaroos you know whatever they do they eat them for christ's sake there's rue burgers yeah whereas here we're like oh you'd see a kangaroo you just go put your arm around it and then the two of you hop off and go read it. There's movies about people befriending them. Write a kid's story together. That's what you'd do.

So in 1974, he has 22 appearances for Newtown with one try and three points. Looks like they were 9 and 11. Yeah, 9, 11, and 2 that year is what it looks like they were. So that's not good. Nine wins, 11 losses, two draws. In 1974, his brother Rob begins to play on the team. Okay. So they had two Sullivans and two Dawsons.

Is that right? Isn't that weird? At the same time? At the same time. Yeah, they're just a very, I don't know, it's a very close-knit organization affair yeah family affair yeah his brother rob played 74 75 76 he looks like god didn't do very much here one try it looks like for three points in the whole damn time he was there they stunk though they go they were 3 and 19 in 1976 they're stinky not doing too well now in 1975 uh sullivan represented i guess what is nsw what the hell is that new south wales new south wales thank you and played

my i'm still fucking foggy here i'm telling you the fucking this this fucking covid's an asshole so um and played that's the rabidows james i think so and uh played seven tests for australia years before the 1975 jets campaign where he scored four tries well good for you um so uh anyway that was i think the other sullivan that's the the brother the brother so yeah 75, the other Sullivan. That's the brother. The brother. So, yeah, 75, he has 18 appearances. Gary, not the brother. Four tries for 12 points. It's one of his better years, it looks like.

But then he doesn't play anymore. That's it for him. What? And, yeah, he doesn't play anymore. He's only, what is he, like 28 or something? He's not. I don't understand it. Like, I don't get why he's not playing anymore, but they're just, he's only what is he like 28 or something he's not i don't understand it like i don't get

why he's not playing anymore but they're just he's done that's the last it's where stats end and from now until the mid 80s i don't really know what the fuck he was doing yeah um he was floating around um he i do know he was gambling oh he really likes to gamble he likes to gamble he likes to hang out with his stepdad who's also a gambler and a huge alcoholic as well so um they get tired both of them of like they're like man we have to like work real jobs and like you know when you work the problem is when you work a real job and you also have an alcohol habit and stuff, you have less money to gamble

because you're not making giant salaries and you're spending money on booze and shit too and generally not probably as good at making money as you might be sober. And you're likely losing more than you're winning. Yeah. So they get tired they get tired of working hard and not even being able to gamble extremely large sums of money

afterwards like they're tired of that yeah literally wait till you get to court later and um they say how can we make money like real, without all of this every day getting up in the morning and, you know, getting a paycheck thing? Like, how can we do this? Well, stepdad, how can we possibly do this here? This isn't like a couple of ne'er-do-well younger guys that he knew. This is his stepfather. So now they were like, huh, let's, I got an idea. Banks seem pretty easy to rob oh is that right so apparently in the 80s

and 90s there was a shitload of bank robberies in australia like it was constant their banks were it was like the 1880s their 1980s are like our 1880s like it was fucking crazy it seems like that was pretty popular in america through that time too though it's bank robberies are disturbingly popular always like yeah if you look up the number of bank robberies you'll be shocked at how many happens all the time it happens constantly because it's a and they even said back then they considered them soft targets because they are a soft target right now if you go and jesus i'm not telling anybody to do rob a bank obviously but you go into a bank there's like fucking five people. This is a giant branch.

There's five people working in there. Two of them are like old ladies at the counter. There's people over there. They're instructed not to do anything, not to put up a struggle, not to do shit. There's cameras everywhere. Give the cash. Give the money. So the actual getting of the money, as far as crime goes, it's about as easy as it gets.

Yeah. I mean, you just literally walk in and say, give me this, and they'll give it to you and leave. Then you have to worry about the getting away with it part, which is the harder part. Now comes the hard part. Yeah. But someone who isn't thinking that far ahead, you could see them going, and then somebody who's half smart thinks, well, I'll just have a plan. Those are morons that get caught because they're not thinking ahead. I'll think ahead.

I know a guy that robbed eight banks in Phoenix, and he got away with it because, I mean, they were just cameras, and he'd just go. Yeah. But, I mean, eventually, when you keep doing it, it gets on the news. I mean, they're always on the lookout for you. Yes. From the second you leave that bank, there's now people that are looking for you for the rest of your life. But he kept going and kept going, and then he got himself a nickname, and that's what

got him caught. There you go. See, that's eventually. Yeah. Eventually, the numbers catch up with you. It's just. That money runs out, too. Yeah.

And it goes so much faster than regular ass money the fucked up part is if someone wanted to rob a bank like that's something you chances are you could probably get away with it like yeah you could if you said i'm gonna do if i'm gonna plan this out well and i'm gonna do it once you'll probably get away with it probably but don't do it obviously because you also might get killed or arrested or whatever the fuck you might hurt somebody we don't want any of that stuff but watch how you word shit because you also might get killed or arrested or whatever the fuck. You might hurt somebody. We don't want any of that stuff. And watch how you word shit because you say some things that end up getting you extra charges.

And then if you do get caught, you're in jail for much longer. Then you're really fucked. So that was a very popular thing in Queensland, apparently, was in the 80s and 90s. Lots of that. Now, there's a cop here, Detective Sergeant Ross Barnett, and we kind of have to tell you his story to get to Gary's story here, because it's very interesting how he came about this shit here. He, apparently, he was working at a bank before he was a cop.

When he was 18, he was working at a bank. He always wanted to be a cop, but he was was 18 he's working at a bank uh he always wanted to be a cop but he was just you know starting out worked at a bank and um um i guess his father his brother his uncle everybody's cop so it runs in his family so his job at the bank would um he would accompany a teller from the branch to the um to like a sub branch where they drop money off at, I guess. So they would carry bags of cash down the street. So,

which is interesting. They had a gun inside the bag for security, but it's a gun. They just carry it in the money bag, which doesn't seem smart. Cause if someone comes up to rob you, you can't be like, hold on a minute,

let me go in this bag and get my gun out. This is horrible. This doesn't. No wonder why there's so many goddamn bank robberies. At the end of the night, they just send to walk this down there down the street. Just two guys with bags of cash walking down the street. Wonder why that would happen. So he said, too, neither of them knew how to use the gun was in the bag.

So they had this gun, but they weren't trained to use these guns i didn't know what they were doing so apparently they they're they would take the same route every day too which is great job nice smart move here really show them how you do this yeah yeah i mean that's that's what happened to fucking avon barksdale you know what i mean you can't can't have the same routine thing over and over again everybody knows what you do and we may have cut you stray like that you know what i'm saying it'll catch what happens not a stray but he'll say it's a stray so anyway uh they're doing that now they walk past there's a block of toilets there apparently like a bunch of public toilets that they walk past every day um like uh like a i'm imagining like in a house of some sort no i'm thinking like public

toilets lined up like a just on the street yeah on the sidewalk public shitters you know cities have those it's a whole urinal row yeah it's urine that's what they call it they call urine row so on urine row there uh they're walking by one morning and two guys and masks pop out and uh you know accost them they're he the barnett this guy future cop and his colleague here they're they're bound and gagged their money's taken um they are they're put like duct tape and shit was on them and uh they're they're taken at knife point. And he says he remembers the knife being on his skin and how terrifying it was. And, you know, and it was four thousand bucks are taken.

Oh, God. Which isn't even it doesn't seem why the hell are you sending two guys down the street with four thousand bucks? You don't have a fucking armored car where you can get this shit. What is happening? So a year later, he ends up on the police force after that so he uh ends up on the armed hold-up squad eventually which is where he wanted to be experience yeah he's got it yeah he does so he said he'd wanted to work with them and he wanted to uh you know he said that was a scary thing and he wanted to rid the streets of this

shit was his whole deal so he said he had a lot thing and he wanted to rid the streets of this shit was his whole deal. So he said he had a lot of empathy toward the victims because he was one himself. So anyway, there is a there's a guy here named Harold McSweeney. And this is an interesting story. So I'll tell you this story to get into the other story. So McSweenweeney career criminal so one of these australia's got a lot of these kind of arch criminals too which is kind of there's a bunch i found an australian boxer that is like all tied up and organized career shit back yeah i gotta get

into him at some point but he uh this guy he's an armed robber he He robbed banks. He robbed armored cars. This McSweeney guy is apparently a bad motherfucker. So in March of 1991, there's a report saying that there are some inmates at a jail that had been paying too close attention to some vehicles that were entering the grounds and leaving the grounds like garbage trucks, bread truck laundry trucks all the you know shit has to come in and out of prisons yeah uh so they heard that they had talked about it internally the prison people but then the day after it was brought to their attention inmates took control of a garbage truck and used it to ram open the front gates and drive away yeah that's smart yeah that's using your head there don't get the honda civic grab a garbage heavy shit plow right out so they apparently do that um a couple of the prisoners i guess they you know tried to scatter after that running out of an open gate they were caught pretty quickly

um one of them managed to get away for a little while, a few weeks or so. But this McSweeney guy, he ended up being on the run for months. He ends up being on the risk. He's a master criminal here. He's on the run. And while he's on the run,

he had been suspected of committing more armed robberies. This time with actual shots fired too oh no yeah that's that's hardcore um so and like i said this is a time when it was just very normal for banks to be robbed to be robbed and uh in violent fashions as well a lot of time most of the time bank robbers now they don't even fucking have weapons no you don't need one you don't have to have one you just have to say what you want but like also that adds another charge that's exactly and what if the gun goes off then you're really fucked you know and so a lot of them they don't even bother bringing weapons now because you don't have to have a weapon so um uh yeah but he

would this is a different thing this is you know coming in with guns old school on the fucking floor everybody old school fucking strong-armed shit so on may 24th he is heavily armed and he robs an armored vehicle which is at the car park of the brookside shopping center in michelton michelton sorry michelton i think it is um he ends up getting away with 240240,000 in cash out of this. That's a haul. That's a good fucking haul, man. Jesus Christ. That should stop you from robbing banks for quite some time. Yeah.

Lay low now. Calm the fuck down. And he also shot the truck up and everything. He had an assault rifle and shot the truck up so they wouldn't follow him. up and uh you know so they wouldn't follow him and uh barnett this cop says quote he had absolutely no reservations about firing weapons into public places whatever it took to get the job done that was the sort of person he was so this mcsweeney guy in Toowoomba, T-O-O-W-O-O-M-B-A, Toowoomba. Toowoomba? Toowoomba, Toowoomba, Toowoomba, I don't fucking know.

There's a lot of O's in there. There's a lot of O's in there. It sounds like a Disney movie. Toowoomba, coming this fall, doesn't it? Really does. Yeah. movie to oomba coming this fall doesn't it really does yeah he apparently was uh heavily armed because it was an informant told on him and said hey watch out though he's definitely armed he's got uh shoulder holsters with two guns on him he's got shotguns he's got fucking you know assault rifles he's got it all basically he's he's loaded up. And the guy even said, if you try to stop him, he's going to shoot at you.

And this is the guy that escaped from prison? This is the guy, yes. He escaped from prison in a garbage truck bashing out the front gates. Rather than laying low. He's heavily armed. He's heavily armed, robbing banks again. Just like, not giving a fuck. So they warned about that so barnett um

and a bunch of other guys are sent to to wumba to a wumba whatever to try to find him and they track him down and um apparently this is like uh they didn't have back then like these kind of uh like now you'd send like the SWAT team. There's like response teams that would come to say there's a heavily armed guy who already escaped from prison and all this shit. They would send, you know, people. FBI people. There'd be like tanks and guys, you know, all this sort of shit. They really didn't have that specific unit back then around there, apparently.

So instead, they just spotted him and started chasing him and uh they're going from what i understand they're going he said says on here around round abouts 160 kilometers an hour which is fast that's like 30 miles an hour i think that's like a good 28 it's at least that's fast i think that's like it's like 70 is it 180 kilometers 160 yeah that's like that's like 75 80 miles an hour i mean around roundabouts that seems excessive that's moving yeah they said he wasn't touching the brakes no shit like that um apparently too they're they're giving chase to him the surveillance team lost them giving this crazy chase not everybody could keep up so they were you know fucking chasing them this isn't like

you know suburban neighborhoods they're in like they're driving like maniacs through fucking where there's kids playing in the streets and so uh barnett our here, was in the passenger seat when Detective Peter Gray gets close to McSweeney in their cars and rams him off the road. Hell yeah. Hits him. So hits the car. The side door jammed up and he couldn't get out, basically. So McSweeney, once he comes to a stop they get out they're gonna try to go apprehend him he just opens fire from where he is so uh barnett the cop we're talking about

takes a bullet in the hip from this bullet in the hip um he i guess he ends up uh you know it's tons of gunfire coming at him he divesives into the car. They're trying to, you know, call for backup and all this type of shit. Barnett says that was a very close thing. Well, no shit. Yeah. Um, I would say he,

uh, he said that it's, uh, very close to, you know, a lot of shit in your hip. The wait is over. So far,

you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly. I see that. Bing! The queen of the courtroom is back. I didn't do anything. You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face.

I see he's not intimidated by anything. I can fix that. New cases. She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone. Okay, so, um... This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy.

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How did I know that? I i have crystal ball in my head it's an all-new season it's streaming you can say anything judy justice only on freebie that's not good he said at the time though he didn't even think about it because he was just trying to do his job and do some shit. And he had like a competition thing with this guy. I'm going to catch this asshole. He can't shoot me in the hip. So anyway, he said that they're trying to return fire and all this type of shit.

The guy gets away. This McSweeney guy ends up getting away. He put out enough of his own cover with gunfire that they couldn't do anything. They had to hunker down. He jumped out of the car and ran? He jumped out of the car, took the fuck off. So he takes off. He's gone.

Two hours later, though, two hours later, he surrenders, which seems highly odd. But he doesn't. This is fucked up. He doesn't surrender to the police. He doesn't surrender to like the police. He doesn't go walk into a police station. He surrenders to a television crew. Cause I guess he wanted to have some sort of statement and wanted to like show that he was safe or what?

I don't know what the fuck. Yeah. I don't know what the fuck his deal was. Um, but they ended up, uh, you know, had a helicopter land to do this whole thing.

It was crazy. Then a year later, he ends up dead. McSweeney? McSweeney. Now, you'd imagine a guy like this, it would probably be an anticlimactic end. He'd have like a heart attack and a sleep or something. But no, he escapes from court during a hearing and is shot dead trying to hijack a bus. Wow.

That's the way you go out. This guy had a fucking old west Billy the Kid kind of lifestyle. Jesus Christ. You can't hold him anywhere. That's crazy. So why is this man so significant to our show today? Okay, that's so why is this man so significant to our show today okay that's the point our guy barnett at this point is shot in the hip so he can't work like can't come to the office he can't do a lot

of stuff he can't go out in the field for a while so he's super pissed off but he you know he's like i want to keep in the squad what can i do to keep my toe in the water here? So they said, work some cold cases. Here you go. Work some cold cases since you shot. So he's recovering from his gunshot, and he's given a cold case of a series of 14 armed robberies for banks and armored cars. That's a lot. All connected, they think, done by the same two people. Okay.

So this is from between 85 and 91. So this is, it's like 91 now. So this is right up till current from 85. This is like they haven't been able to figure it out. They've slowed down a little bit and then they pick back up and all that sort of shit. So they just knew there was two people involved, same two people, and they said that they were becoming increasingly violent. And they have stolen, I'll have an exact number in a little bit here, but they have stolen over $3.2 million in cash already. Holy shit.

They're really good at this. They're really good at this. Why keep going? You've done it at the time they these two bank robbers were uh had like six of the top 10 highest netting fucking bank robberies in the history of queensland or whatever so they were doing very very fucking well they're they're like top career earners for bank robbers in the whole area they really were like they they have the stats and they said they made the most out of it. So I guess good for them. So the two people they're looking for, but they don't know yet, are a guy named, well,

first of all, Gary Sullivan, our guy. He got bored with having a regular job. Wow. And his stepfather, Bill Orchard, as well. He is robbing banks with his stepdad. They're bonding, Jimmymy this is a nice thing you've had stepdads did any one of them ever do anything like that with you no they flicked me in the forehead and called me yeah you want to like play catch or rob banks or

do something like none of that right i'd rather this is at least at least they're getting along you know the mother's like well i mean at least they're getting along that's good it's nice to see them do something something together yeah so yeah bill and gary here are doing this shit uh all over the place um they carry out it's six of the largest armed robberies in queensland history they carry out here um netting over 14 armed robberies over three million bucks this is all because they like to gamble and didn't like to work they needed three million dollars to gamble and that wasn't enough either um one's big obviously one is smaller uh gary's gonna be the bigger guy as he's as the newspaper described him the broad-shouldered fucking one of the broad-shouldered fucking. One of them, broad-shouldered, sexy, sexy, like a Magnum PI-level Tom Selleck, kind of a man's man.

The other one, not so much, but very attractive, this guy. I'm in my scrum. They said the only thing that they could find together to link them is that they're the same two guys. Everything else they do is different. They switch it up all the time. You just know bigger guy, smaller guy. Different disguises, different vehicles all the time.

Never like the same car or anything like that. Sometimes they wear like rubber Halloween masks, like point break style. But pre-point break because they were doing it in the 80s except they wore like i guess they had ones that had like they were old man rubber masks with like wild hair like like christopher lloyd hair with like an old man face maybe it was just a christopher lloyd back to the future mask and no one. It's very funny. I'm not sure. But they wore that as they came into banks with that and robbed them and shit like that. So they did a lot.

In May of 1985, they stole a car from a train station and drove it to some fucking bank here now they had overalls stocking masks and oh no uh balaclava what the fuck did we clavas yeah what did we figure that was a balaclava is one of those things that goes up over your face and over your head there you go with just like the eye like a ninja yeah yeah yeah like so it's like it's a ski mask without eye holes. It's an eye like. Yeah. Okay. Like the guy from Star Trek would wear to the one piece glasses. Gotcha.

Yeah. He's got the nice one piece going. All right. So some whole head and stocking. They were stocking. The balaclava is the stocking mask. Probably. No, this is both.

And there's an end in here. So maybe they put the stocking mask under so you can see their eyes. well because they'd be wow i'm not sure but they had overalls as well so they wore their murder pants yeah look at you pretty good pretty good costume and then floppy hats on over that sounds terrifying not stand out more no it sounds like members of primus are robbing you first of all you're like what is happening here i got the drummer a slipknot over there on the tech nine fuck are we doing uh and one of them had a shotgun as well okay so that's the most important part of it probably is that part uh they came in the front doors shouted get down on the floor and

everybody got down on the floor balaclava and a stocking yeah what's that like he took a bite of a sandwich you got like three layers over your face i can't you're muffled you're i'm just saying you're muffled we can't you'd probably get what you want faster if you unmuffled yourself a bit should have have cut a hole in that. One or two layers and we could hear you better. But three, it's too much. It sounds like you're under a pillow, bro. So they end up netting $27,000 from this first bank robbery. So they were like, huh, that was pretty easy.

It was way easier than working for $27,000. They gave us $27,000 and could barely hear us. Yeah, it's perfect. So a month later, they do it again. This is at the Westpac Bank at Palm Beach. And they wore the same outfit, minus the overalls. And they had a sawed-off shotgun this time. They sawed it off, make it look a little more intimidating this time.

It's scarier, yeah. This time, one of them jumped up on the counter i'm gonna go with probably paul he's probably the more athletic one of the two he jumped up on the counter while the other one held the shotgun so one guy got up and made the announcement this is what we're doing to get your shit and the other guy like you know was the the muscle so now they've gone they're getting a little routine going well yeah last time we went in there i'd talk but then you talked too and like i felt like they didn't know where to look is what i'm saying so this time well i'll talk and you will you hold the shotgun on them that's very threatening and then i'll tell

them what they want but they can look at me the whole time they'll know you're there with the shotgun they don't need to look if i get up really high all the eyes will be on me so they'll just be wondering what's he got to say so they'll be focused on whatever muffled shit i say yeah because otherwise you're going to be muffled i'm going to be muffled they'll be going back and forth and it's just going to look bad so um they do that they end up ransacking the safe the teller's cages everything they got everything in this one uh they later find police would later find their getter a guy their getaway car completely burned out in Logan home. So this is why you don't, they're doing this smart. They're like stealing cars, using stolen cars, and then burning them.

So they're not having any evidence. They're doing it smart. Nothing to do with me in that car. Like, we'll take my car, and I don't think anyone will see the plates. Ben Affleck in the town. This is great. This is smart. Very meticulous. it's smart well if you read uh there's a uh what's his name sal police he's a mob guy he wrote a book

it's an interesting book a lot of good stuff in there and he was a big bank robber and uh that was kind of his thing and he tells a lot of very detailed accounts of bank robberies like this and uh it's very interesting they all they really these bank robbery crews would really have it down like they knew this is how much time we're going to be in there this is what we're doing it's you know no shit don't you know they his whole thing was to be polite to the tellers he's like it's not their fault be nice to the tellers treat them like gentlemen because always treat the tellers like gentlemen because it throws off the whole thing too with the description they're not they're they're just they don't know how to

react to it it's interesting so um you don't have to be a scumbag about it so here they uh they end up uh they find that they stole it apparently this car that they found burned out they stole it a year ago they had they held this car for a year they stole it from a car dealership by the way even better and uh reliable yeah you know it's gonna work yeah so uh they and they had stolen it a year earlier so they're like wow a year stolen car gone we figured that was out um so that robbery they got 91 000 out of that okay so they're like wow 91 grand that's a shitload of money especially in 1985 that's a fuckload of money so they're like wow um let's do this we need to get this going again right yeah five days later they oh my god do it again. A car that was stolen months earlier, they use this time.

They've been stealing cars for future use and storing them. That's how they've been doing it. They had the stocking mask, the ski mask, the gloves, overalls. They had an outfit for the 80s. They're very good. They change with the times, which is nice. They change their outfits. They're like, the overall change with the times, which is nice. They change their outfits. They're like, the overalls are very 85.

This is a new year. I'm a material girl. It's a material world, and I'm going to step up my game. New year, new me. New me. Let's go in fur coats. What do you say? Yeah.

So they do that. This time they have a shotgun and a revolver. So now the other guy's armed, too. First it was just one, but now they're ready to reinvest in the so now the other guy's armed too first it was just one but now they've they're ready to reinvest in the business now that's the thing coin in the pocket can yeah put it back into the business yeah it's a write-off jimmy what are you gonna do it's all a write-off put money into your company here we need tools we need tools so uh they go into the front door uh one of them jumped onto the counter. The other one went into the manager's office.

Now they figured out there's somebody in the back probably. So they go in there. They say, get out of here and get down on the floor. They know to pull the manager out now. Then they say, come on, come on, open the safe. Let's go. And they have a pistol at the manager's back. He knows how to open the safe.

And they're trying to get the safe open i guess if they tell a female teller empty the fucking drawers and all the cages for the tellers let's go get this yelling hurry up hurry up uh one of the the woman said that they were jabbing a gun into her buttocks so i don't know if i don't know if it's like in the hole or just in her cheek or what yeah either way it's not very nice i don't know if it's like in the hole or just in her cheek or what. Either way, it's not very nice. I don't know. It feels sexual. And that's awfully threatening.

It's very threatening. Yeah. Especially if it was like toward the hole. That's very threatening and too much. You can't just like put it in my kidney. Like, right. Yeah. Be back there.

What are we doing? Hey, have some fucking decorum and put that gun in my kidney jesus christ almighty like you never held a fucking gun in somebody before up about nine inches come on so they get 24 000 in a duffel bag out of that i don't know if it's like a free tote bag for opening an account or yeah one of those bank bank one yeah some bank tote bag i think it was so then in september of that year they hit the national australia bank at slacks creek uh using a car they stole three months before that wow they've had these cars for months they just steal a car that's good for later let me use that so this is a big plan this is no bullshit this one they leave with their biggest haul so far 213 000 they get

out of this bank robbery it's unbelievable in cash you know ready to go um so this one they go from september until july with with no robberies that they can link to these two in that time period. So when you have 213 grand and this all happened pretty quick that they're going to take a break now. Now we can. Hey, we don't have to rob a bank for a few days. We got 215 grand here. So they don't do shit until July the next year. OK, like I said, 86. So this time it's 5 p.m. on a Monday and they are I

guess right at closing the staff goes to the back of the building counts money for the next morning armored car armored van collection the end of the day you have it all and I guess you get like the next day's deposit for the armored car you whatever so that's how you do it so um as they're doing that this is ballsy right here this isn't bursting through the front door this isn't someone going and taking the trash out and you put a gun in their ass this is a different story they using a stolen station wagon crashed through the rear doors of the bank they just drove their car through the doors fuck it unreal yeah we're going anyway might as well go in blazing yeah number one that's gonna work you're gonna get in and

number two talk about a distraction holy shit boy yeah wow everyone's diving on the floor if a fucking station wagon comes through but also that brings so much attention. It does. It really does. That's why you'd have to be very quick about it. Yeah. But I think it also probably, I would think it's going to make the bank employees confused for a moment because they were probably going to think, oh, my God, a car crashed into our bank first. They're probably not going to think that's a bank robber at first. So just that moment of confusion might get the robbers the drop on them i don't know what the plan is or if it was just hard to get in because the doors were locked and they're like well

we don't have a money we needed in there no wonder why oceans 11 had a lock guy that's why you need to have a gotta have a safe lock guy we don't have that we just have the two of us right these guys got to be doing uh the job of six other men each yeah there's no alarms guy there's no any of this shit we have nothing the digging crew nobody not a god nobody with like a big welding thing to go through a safe we got nothing a guy to put like a fake nose on to go distract and fuck some horny chick fuck some horny rich lady while we break in it's always what it is yeah that's what it was in that movie it's always a horny rich lady can't be just like some waitress no has no idea she can fuck anybody her husband ignores her right he's an investment banker and he totally ignores it he's very busy man she knew she was pretty back

when she won miss indiana right in 73 but since then she started to think of herself as not so pretty anymore he's he's taking the shine off of her and uh you're gonna have to help her get her groove back but matt damon makes himself ugly and he can fuck her he can fuck her yeah because he put a fucking carl malden nose on so now it's okay and some wart next to it so they bust through the back door with their car which is fucking insane and uh they do that uh it took by the way this is fucking hilarious so it wasn't a surprise because it took three attempts before they find the doors finally did they had to bash in back up bash in back up bash in so what the fuck people are like what was that noise what was that so finally it bust open they pop out masked and armed with a shotgun okay so that's a surprise

um they said that later on they'll say by the, that the rear entry hadn't been their plan at all. They weren't. They were going to get their plan was to get there right before closing when they were cleaning it out. You know, right. As they're about to lock the door, they were going to bum rush the place and get in. But they were late that your job is a bank robber. Like, be fucking on time. No wonder why you lazy motherfuckers.

You can't even get to the your bank robbery on time you've cased the place you know what time closing time is did you got there after and you didn't just go well i guess tomorrow they were like nah fuck it let's just ram the car through the back doors that's just as good but it ends up being very good as a matter of fact either way the plan works and they walk away with 233 000 in cash money in 1986 they have taken half a million dollars in four robberies yeah more than that 600 over 600 000 they've gotten so far um in april 1987 this is when they first go after an armored van so they're like like, well, the money's in the bank, and then they give the money to an armored van. Why don't we just rob the thing that all the banks give their money to?

Smart. Seems like there'd be more money in there. There'd be money from all sorts of banks. We can rob like five banks at once if we just rob the armored car. Fucking stupid. So they do. It's April 1987. They drive a Toyotaota high ace van what the fuck is a toyota high ace van high ace so that's the thing about australia they have different names

for the model yeah it's the same car i'm looking up a toyota high ace what year is it in the 80s it might be one of those fucking like uh weird looking minivans yeah i was thinking but like those like yeah like a sprinter like a like the mercedes sprinter i'm looking it up toyota high i need to know because this is what do they do what are they driving ace high ace high h i a c e it's like a sprinter van, basically. Yeah. Okay. So that's what they're driving. Okay. So a high-ace van. Is that a Hayachi?

Maybe it's a Hayachi, but it's a H-I and then capital A-C-E. So it looks like high-ace. Oh, yeah. It's high-ace. Yeah, it sure is. It's like a fucking Volkswagen van again. That's what it is. Yeah.

In the 80s. One of those type. Yeah. It's like a sprinter fucking crew van so this van that they have this high ace truck they bought this car they didn't steal this one they bought it from a car yard under a fake name at one point so 11 40 a.m uh the armored vehicle pulls into the back of an anZ bank at Koolangada. I guess that's the town.

Two guards got out. One went to the counter to collect the money. The other guy stood guard kind of by the front door. That's what he does. So right after that happens, dude gets the money. Two masked men armed with a shotgun and a revolver, sounds familiar, burst in through the bank's back doors they got to be more secure with these back doors uh the man with the shotgun comes up

behind the guard uh who's kind of by the door pointing the weapon at him telling him to get on the floor the guard at the counter went to turn around but the man with the revolver pressed it into his back. So he gets on the floor, too. These two guys grab the cash that the armored van guys just went to go put in their van. And they got a shitload of money out of that. $316,000. $316,000.

Plus, they stole the two guns that the guards had been carrying as well. Smart. So, yeah, that seems smart. Then in August, they hit another van at the Commonwealth Bank at Sunnybank, and this time one of them, one of our gunmen here, kicked a guard in the thigh and knocked him down and pointed the revolver at him that way. Oh, what the fuck, you jerk. Wasn't cooperating fast enough.

Oh, okay, yeah. So, but they steal the guns the guards are carrying. This time they steal $420,000. They are getting so much money. The two armored car ones, they got, Jesus, $736,000 out of two. Holy shit. Two days, about 20 minutes of work they got. That's a shitload of that.

So they have a fuckload of money, but this is fucking crazy. I mean, you're going to get recognized eventually. Now they're known. There's the big one and the small one. People know who they are. Whenever it pops up, they're like, was it a big one, small one, revolver, shotgun? They know who the hell they are. So they're getting to be kind of famous and keep a low key. Like you were saying, you don't want to earn a nickname or any shit like that.

No, that's bad. Once you earn a nickname, it's all hands on deck to find you. The public knows about you. Federal government's looking for you, and that's bad. That's bad news. It's like spitting in the face of the people who are trying. You're so prolific, you have a a nickname and they still can't find you and it makes it seem like more familiar like oh we all know that person and you can't even find them right you know it's fucked up it's weird and it makes someone scarier when they have a nickname

yeah for some reason i don't know why his was his was pretty his guy. I knew his nickname was the Barefoot Bandit. James. No, that just sounds like he's a hillbilly. He wore scrubs to these robberies like nurses scrubs, but he didn't wear shoes. His I swear to God, his quote was they clashed with the clothes. Oh, my God. He said they looked bad and they stood out and were very obvious i was like you didn't wear shoes motherfucker that's he deserves yeah that's more because people go what's two things you need

to be wearing in a fucking bank shoes and a shirt both of those are vital if you walk in with no shoes people are like um when's he getting kicked out and he had tattoos on his face. It's like, dude, you are so obvious. Who gives a fuck what the shoes look like? When you get a tattoo on your face, you're taking yourself out of the armed robbery game right there. You're saying, I'm making myself extremely identifiable, so I'm going to go ahead and not do that forever. James, he had triangles tattooeded one below his eye pointing down and one above it pointing up like a fucking clown he had he had like clown makeup tattooed on his god what a this guy sounds terrible jimmy why are you friends with this person a tattoo face

shoeless bank robbing asshole what's going on he's a terrible human being it sounds like it you know i'm from like a school or something no i just knew after high school i did i i ran around with bad people and he was one of them he just sounds like a scumbag i'm not even talking about bad he's got no fucking shoes on and clown tattoos i don't care what his crimes are jimsy got arrested obviously and was put in jail he got more tattoos on face. He got out of prison and decided he was going to be a good person. So he got all the tattoos removed. He got put back in prison because he's a meth head and he got caught with meth and all kinds of bad shit. Now we got the tattoos put back on. Perfect. He said, you know what? I was right the first time. I was right the first time. I tried to clean it up but no this is what i like he got

the tattoos removed and then went back in got the tattoos put on and then more his whole face is fucked up jesus christ what a disaster he better not ever get out he's such a bad person what if i guess so good christ that's a he's a menace, man. Yeah. Do you remember when Skin Industries clothing got popular and it had a naked girl on the back? He had skin tattooed on his neck. So I was like, that clothing line just came out. You like it that much? And he goes, no, man. There's an S on it.

I was like, oh, you're a bad person. I get it. You're just terrible. He's just a bad skinhead. He's a horrible person i get it you're just terrible he's just a bad he's a skinhead he's a horrible person oh my god he hurts people for fun well he goes to is he in prison now oh yeah for a very very very long time let's say let's let's hope so yeah so but these guys they're sitting pretty with all these stolen cars and fucking money and all this shit. They're doing great. None of this bullshit. Nobody's got a tattoo on their face trying to get caught.

Everyone's got shoes on. It's a professional operation. Yeah. Yeah. It's a professional operation. But Gary, he has to wonder. He has to ponder. Yeah.

What am I doing with my life? Yeah. What am I doing? Some ponder I had when I was hanging out with that guy. That's the thing. He sat there and he sits in a park one day and he's like, you know, man, the trees are beautiful. He's like bubbles in the wire when he's seeing things clear, you know, and he's sober.

He's like, man, I'm seeing this clear right now. And, uh, I'm seeing, I shouldn't be, I gotta, I need to get my shoes on and really keep my shit together. Yeah. He's like, I just don't know. I just don't know what to do. If only I had, if only there was some advice that I could get that could just help me, please. He started praying to no one, no deity in particular.

He said, please, God, help me. Give me some guidance. And he doesn't hear God's voice or anything like that. But he does hear some dogs barking in the distance. Hell yeah. And there is someone to give him advice. And it's Bobby Colorado. And he says.

How is it you come to arrive here? What the fuck is wrong with you? Gee, you're a. Listen, I've known a lot of jerk. I know a guy with clown makeup who wore no fucking shoes while he robbed the bank you know what i'm talking about i know jerk offs i know jerk offs from fucking jerk off one you my friend are a fucking jerk off i'm tired of this shit you're playing your game you're playing for the fucking what is the blue sacks

or whatever the hell you are i don't know some shit the blue bags you're doing real fucking good and you're kicking shit around i don't know what the fuck rugby do you whatever the hell you are. I don't know. Some shit. The blue bags. The blue bags. You're doing real fucking good and you're kicking shit around. I don't know what the fuck rugby. Do you kick the ball? Do you carry it? You fucking throw it to each other? I don't know what you're talking about. Really scrumming it up. You just rub each other's scrums all over each other until you get blue bags.

And then you're over here robbing banks like a fucking... What are you guys doing robbing banks? Scaring the shit out of these poor people. Kicking people in the thighs. Taking their fucking guns? You know what it is? I think you need that companionship from being on a team. So you're like, I need to be on a team.

And you got your stepfather. Get yourself a couple of dogs. Let me tell you something. They're never going to ask you to rob a bank with them. Number one. That's first of all. Number one. They don't wear shoes.

That's a problem. But still, you don't wear shoes either so whatever so anyway i'm telling you get yourself a couple of dogs because this this lifestyle it ain't for you let me tell you something right now i gotta get the fuck going though because uh these dogs are getting hungry so i'll see you later bye and then poof and uh marinara sauce and dog shit a big cloud and gary is very confused he's like no one around here talks like that number one this is australia that was very confusing where the hell is he from it was almost arugula so that would have been even funnier i understand it would be like what is right now so january of 1990 is the commonwealth bank at mount gravotte there they use black spray paint on the security cameras oh so they do a notch yeah this is like fuck man you see this shit in movies yeah but you never actually hear of it happening they came in blacked out the

security cameras so i guess they would less people would know they were the same people. And then they raid the strong room, threatening the staff with handguns, all this type of shit. But it's only 160 grand. Oh, boy. Which is still a really good payday. But yeah, 160 grand. But when you only have 160 grand, you got to get back out at the game. And so two months later

they're doing it again two months later uh they accosted some guards walking back to their van after picking up cash from the west pack at springwood uh stole their guns and 139 000 so much money april of 1990 okay now um they get they use a car they bought from a car yard a month earlier they gave the salesman a fake name again they got out uh with old man masks like we said earlier handgun and a shotgun and they wait at the back of the Sunnybank Hills shopping center for the armored van to pull in. Because they're back to our armored vans. This is bank shits for the birds. So the guards get out

to open up the back and they jump out with their guns. Sullivan and his stepdad here. So they tell the guards get down on the ground, make them hand over their guns. They use a ladder. A ladder, apparently they had here stashed. They use a ladder to climb on top of the roof of this and used a tomahawk to. I get the opening.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I guess. Oh, no. This is to cut off the the fucking antenna. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I guess. Oh, no. This is to cut off the fucking antenna. Yeah. I guess there's one live one and one dummy antenna in case people don't know which one to go after. And so they cut them off so they can't call for help right away.

So that's why they do that. So they use that with the tomahawk. So they're perfecting this with everyone. They're very aware of some fail fail safes for the for stopping these two yeah well they take it up a notch right here um that's enough to just cut off the the communication yeah communications but they do it a little a little bit different while still on the vehicle and this is obviously gary we're going to say, is up on top of the vehicle. While still on the vehicle, he takes a container of fucking gasoline and pours it over the roof of the vehicle, spilling down the front windshield and all that onto the ground. He climbed down from there.

He's covered the car in gasoline. Takes a length of chain now. Okay? A length of chain and a padlock and wraps the chain around one of the guard's necks. What the fuck? This is crazy. So this guy's laying on the ground with a chain around his neck, fuel all over the fucking place. Like, it's all dripped down on the ground all by him, around him, and everything else.

Like it's all dripped down on the ground. I'll buy him around him and everything else. Um, but Gary has his foot on the back of this guy's head fucking with a chain around his neck. So, um, then he says, the,

the, one of the guys says to the other guard, tell him if he doesn't get the bags out, I'll torch the truck. I know what you got in there. You better get it all out. Um, and he says,

if you don't, we'll light a match. So at that point he, he uh shows them a lighter he shows them a zippo okay so um they do they fucking you know they they go they get all the all the money out of that now um they load it all into in their car using a guard as a shield they load the cash into their vehicle before pushing him away and speeding off now other guards from the bank came out and started opening fire on them at that point so that's why they they had to get make an escape like with the their you know gun to the guy's fucking head, backing up, driving away, pushing him away as they drove off with bullets hitting their fucking rear windshield and shit.

Real heat moment. Yeah, this is like crazy. This is fucking some of the most action we've ever had in crime and sports. This is like the Patrick Cote prison escape, the one Ben Kramer with the helicopter trying to get out. This is danger. This is fucking crazy, man. There's a few this is danger this is fucking crazy man a lot of people there's a lot of possible possibility for death here but they get

away and they get six hundred ninety four thousand dollars wow six hundred ninety four thousand dollars almost 700 grand in one sitting one sitting sitting. Now, he's still seeing some of his former teammates and stuff around town. One teammate, Neil Pringle, of the potato chip fame. No, he's not. He's the guy on the cover with the mustache. He got that thing tattooed on his face. Yeah, that's what it is. on his face yeah that's what it is and greg bandera said that sullivan around this time around the greyhound trotting and racetracks on the gold coast yeah he's every he's well known

at the racetracks around this time he's he's known as quote mr cash that's what everybody calls him mr cash he's always flush big wad of cash, ready to bet. He gambles as much as $100,000 at a time. That's dangerous. That's why they need to rob so many fucking banks, because you're gambling $100,000 at a time. That's insane. One of his friends here, oh, Pringle. This is the Pringle guy here.

He said, Gary was the most unassuming bloke you'd ever meet, but he had his gambling habit. Even when we were playing together, he'd sneak off to the trots. I guess that doesn't mean he has to shit for Americans. That means he went to the racetrack. Go to the trots? That's disgusting. Americans are like, well, yeah, he's got to shit.

Where else is he going to go? Not in his pants. So then he, I guess, after he moved to the gold coast they said it was nothing for him to like on a one race he'd plop down 10 20 grand at a time it's a sure thing it's a lock i got this um he he said he always had a shitload of money he was gambling with bookies he said he never was on credit it's all cash basis that's why he's mr cash never needed like i'll pay you back next week it was like boom there you go here's my fucking losses some too huh sometimes yeah i mean sometimes but he's a fucking degenerate gambler degenerate gamblers it doesn't

matter if they're winning if they're winning sometimes they don't go i want a fuckload of money cool i'm gonna go on a vacation with my wife and do all this. They go, oh, sweet. Now I can, I'm even farther. I can gamble more because I'm up. Now I can bet on that other dog or whatever the fuck's playing. That's what it is with gambling. It's a, especially these fucking degenerate fucking gamblers. They can't help it. It's not fun for them.

It's, they just have to do it. It's the two, it's the two fucking drops of water running down. You take sports away, we bet on that. We'll bet on anything. It's needing to gamble, not what we're gambling on. That's a funny fucking thing. So he said that, yeah, he would do that. He said that he always found him to be a good family man, this guy said,

after always in the past he was a non-dr be a good family man, this guy said, after, you know, always in the past, he was a non-drinker, good family man, upstanding guy. This guy, they grew up together, him and these two here. He said, I don't understand it. So another guy here, this is a funny way to put it. This article says, a similar tale was told by fellow blue bag Greg Bandera. No one took much notice of Sullivan or asked questions as to where he got the money from. We all thought he was a professional punter. Professional punter.

Yeah, I think professional gamblers what they're going on by here. Professional punter is a rugby term, right? Yeah, but they don't mean that because in Britain it's like customers are punters and things like that. So I think they mean, yeah, okay. Professional gambler. He was a regular at the Dogs and Trots and was often at the Gallops down at, whoa, Murwillumba. Murwillumba. M-U-R-W-I-L-L-U-M-B-A-H.

That's a lot of word. He seems like the poor, silly bastard just gave. It seems like the poor, silly bastard gave just about all his money to the bookies. I guess nobody will really know the inside story. So that's what he's up to. March 1991. will really know the inside story yeah so that's what he's up to march 1991 uh this is the same month they fucking this is the same month that mcsweeney remember the mcsweeney guy yeah broke out with the garbage can this is the month that he escaped with the garbage can

with the garbage truck here uh this time they get 142 000 and three handguns. So they're up to 12 armed robberies at this point. And shitloads of guns. And a bunch of guns and $2.5 billion. Yeah. So a lot. Now, they used a name at a place called TJ's Cars in Logan Home. One of them used the name Noel Bork, B-O-U-r-k-e uh to buy the van the high ace van okay um tjs what they would do is you know as to put up on the wall whatever they would take a

photograph of the salesman shaking hands with the happy customer yeah like another satisfied you know there we go and that's what they would do and they would display them on a big wall of photographs so um the fucked up part is the police uh once they found out where the van came from and all that and traced it back they asked about it they said did you take a fucking photograph for this man? And they said, yeah, we did. Wasn't on the wall. They couldn't find it. They couldn't find it. Barnett, that cop that got shot in the hip, who's work figuring all this out on cold case.

He said, quote, I think there's no doubt the reason they didn't find it was because these offenders had gone back to the premises, stolen it, then waited several months to do the robbery. So the salesman would have trouble describing the buyer when police came stunning that's how careful they were they came back and took the photo took the photo bye taking that wow so this barnett's guy a barnett guy says i thought i thought it was worth another try so i went back to the business and discovered that they actually kept all the negatives. Fantastic. They have the negatives, Jimmy.

That's fucking insane. And so we were lucky enough to locate the negative. So when it got developed, we had a very good side profile photograph of one of the people or the person who bought the car. And the car had been used in this major armed robbery. So we had a great starting point. We finally had a photograph of someone to look for. Wow. Six years. They finally have, that's what they have to go by.

Thank fuck they hung on to six years worth of negatives. Who the fuck keeps the negatives from the photos of the salesman shaking hands with the customers? Who would keep that? From six fucking years ago. Well, no, this was recently. It was in the last year. But still, who would keep that at all?

At all. Ever. Once the role's done, let's go into the goddamn trash. That way we can redevelop them later on and get more pictures of salesmen who don't work in here anymore taking pictures with customers from five years ago. Why are you keeping that? Customers that won't come back ever again. Why are you keeping that that won't come back ever again why are you keeping that so uh he didn't want to go public with the photograph he thought that um you know he didn't know what to do with it uh he said if you put the photograph in the newspaper it might get you a name

but it also gets you cost you the element of surprise this person could clean up any evidence they have they could really change their life around and be harder to find so he said that he did it the hard way and uh had to go around that rather than just releasing the photograph and saying whatever so the car salesman had a vague memory of the customer saying that he lived somewhere around Logan or the Gold Coast. And he said, I think he said he worked in the cleaning industry. Yeah. I think there's that. So that's what he's got to go by.

A picture of a stranger, and I think he lived in either this place or this place and might be, quote, in the cleaning industry. Uh-oh. Not a lot to go by. So what he does is he takes this photo he does have a picture so he takes this picture around to every business in these areas seeing if anybody recognizes this guy uh he asked about noel bork with the interstate police new zealand authorities he puts it prisons pubs betting agencies betting agencies, nightclubs, restaurants, car dealers, shopping centers. Everywhere he could go where a human being could walk in.

He asked about him and they all tell him no. Then one day he said, quote, we ended up going down to Sanctuary Cove. An inquiry we had done in the Logan area pointed us in the direction of possibly making inquiries down there fortuitously for us only about two weeks before we arrived a person had purchased a motor boat from the marina there and paid cash for it okay he said and when i showed the photograph to the salesman at the boat brokerage he was able to immediately recognize and identify that person and give me his real name and address oh fuck so it was obviously the huge breakthrough we've been looking for so um he wanted that boat in his own name he why he needs the boat yeah that's what it was he needs the boat he wanted

the boat um so he said about the whole thing he said the car though the car that's about the whole thing. He said the car, the car. That's about the other thing. Now, the guy they find is William Orchard, who is Gary's stepfather, Bill Orchard. He's 54 years old. He has a really nice canal front home at Runaway Bay on the Gold Coast. Well, yeah, he's made millions of dollars and fucking doing great. millions of dollars and fucking doing great he paid 63 000 cash in the boat or for the boat um which the surveillance crew spotted sitting outside of his home on the canal yeah so he that's a nice fucking boat jesus real nice boat 63 000 boat in in the 91 oh oh boy that's a real nice but it's a 300 000 boat now that's a fucking that's. It's a $300,000 boat now. That's a fucking, that's crazy. It's a cruiser.

So they keep an eye on him, and they're watching him. And soon they identify his accomplice as Gary Sullivan. And they're like, hold on a second. They find out who he is, and they're like, the fucking rugby player? He played on the national team. Like, everyone knows who he is. The champion? Yeah. He's not the national team. Everyone knows who he is. The champion? Yeah.

He's not like a nobody. People are like, wait, he played on the World Cup team and won? We know this fucking guy. It's like Christian Laettner being a fucking bank robber. Yeah. Well, that wouldn't surprise anybody. Nobody likes Christian Laettner. He robbed banks for sure.

He has a shitload of money. Yeah, it's called the Minnesota Timberwolves and the atlanta hawks he robbed all those teams team all those teams he was so good in college i hate that motherfucker god damn it was he yeah he was like tim duncan in college where you're just like well he should be in the nba for two years not in college this is he's way too good for this shit so they said that uh quote while we were surveilling them we were building up a picture of both of them it turned out that bill orchard had in fact been a school cleaner quite some years beforehand he's a fucking janitor he's a fucking school janitor this guy

they said so that part of the story to the salesman was in fact true and gary sullivan was a former professional footballer who had represented australia in test matches in the 1970 world cup as a rugby league player right so um surveillance teams uh discovered as they watched them they're just being watched the whole time as they go about their business they're spending most of their time at the racetrack and they're watching them drop tens of thousands of dollars in cash. Just hand over fist. He said, quote, while we were doing surveillance, it was essential that we got a positive identification on Bill Orchard as the person who bought the car. And it's fun to watch fucking people piss money away. He should have added to the end of that.

They took the car salesman to the races and asked him to tell them if he recognized anybody this is their way of doing a lineup they were just like you know anybody over there there's a lineup of thousands of degenerates pick yeah pick a degenerate any degenerate they're all most of them have done something but we're looking for a specific specific one here. So they walked around. Barnett and the salesman walked around the whole area in the bedding area, and they found Orchard. And he goes, there's Noel Burke. I know that guy.

Or Bork or whatever it is. The salesman picked him out immediately. There's the guy who bought the van. The cops are watching his house from a property on the opposite side of the canal. The van, the cops are watching his house from a property on the opposite side of the canal. So they're like, they're just sitting there with binoculars going, man, these two are going to have to rob a bank soon again because they're pissing money away like crazy. There had been another armed robbery when they held up this because this while they're being surveilled, more robberies are happening. Wow. That's the other thing.

While they're being surveilled, more robberies are happening. Wow. That's the other thing. The Logan Village Shopping Center robbery happened then. During this one on August 5th, one of them wore a breathing mask and carried a weed sprayer. Like he looked like an exterminator. I'm sorry. Yeah.

Like he was spraying for weeds. He's a landscaper. That's what I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Like he was spraying for weeds. He's a landscaper. That's what I'm looking for. He approached the staff at the rear of a supermarket telling them that he's from the council and would be dousing the local bushland with chemicals. I'm from the government and I'm here to, you know, douse the shit. Everybody cancels. Yeah. He said, you need to close your back roller door here so you don't get your food contaminated

because this is, I mean, it's all cancer is what I'm spraying. It's crazy. said you need to close your back roller door here so you don't get your food contaminated because this is i mean it's all cancer is what i'm spraying it's crazy it's just liquid cancer so uh you know if you don't want that yeah uh do that which meant that when the armed armed van came in the armored car came in to uh reversed see shit they're reversed the guards are forced to get out and approach the closed door to find out what's going on yeah which is a uh that's when they jump all over them and uh one of the guards had a gun held to his throat he was told to give up his weapon they handcuffed him and pushed him to the ground oh boy uh they told him they'd kill him if he didn't open the door of the van um by the way they didn't know it at the time but it was the same guard they robbed a year earlier at sunny

bank hills of all the luck this poor son of a bitch got robbed again by the same two assholes in a worse to me worse manner by the way this was the guy they chained by the neck and covered in fuel. The fucking trauma that this man has experienced. Chained by the neck with a padlock and doused in gasoline and told he'd be set on fire unless he's told what he wants. Robbed again. With a gun to his throat now, handcuffed and kicked to the floor. The poor bastard. I'd be like, bro, it's me. Wouldn't you? we've been through this

before don't come on don't i get like immunity bro you fucking you said you'd set me on fire man that's fucked up like for real haven't you gone far enough come on this is enough i think now don't you recognize me you don't even recognize me how many other people you threaten to set on fire look Look, watch me cry. Does that look familiar? See that? See these tears? I'm terrified.

So they got three guns and $522,000. They've taken like a million dollars off of this guy alone. This one guy. Yeah. You would think by now that they would probably think he's in on it. You'd have to, right? You know, he got robbed twice, a million dollars. You'd have to, right? You know, he got robbed twice a million dollars.

You'd be like, motherfucker, you're in on this shit. Aren't you? You have, sir. Yeah. Let's go to your house.

So, but that is in August. And by late October, they're broke again. They need more money. They're loving this lifestyle. Yeah. Uh,

1991, the Queensland police service hadn't, they, they were, they didn't have multiple surveillance teams. They didn't have enough to put into this. This was like Baltimore and the wire where they're like, I don't know, have her go fucking take pictures from the roof. That's all we got.

Can't afford much more than that. So on October 25th, another armored van was held up this time at indoor. What is this indoor rupilli indoor rupilli what the fuck are you people doing over there is that indoor repelling i-n-d-o-o-r-o-o-p-i-l-l-y oh exactly indoor rupilli exactly what i said i don't know what the fuck that is that's a town that's one word all together i don't know i don't know um i'm not sure and that's a town i guess it's where they've held up a van okay seems like i said they all sound like cartoon names i don't know um i guess he pressed a pistol to the back of a guard and said, this is it. And the guards were told to lie face down on the ground. Orchard kicked one of them in the face without warning.

They're getting violent now. They stole a canister containing $116,000. Now, the guard, after they kick the one in the face, this is not the same one they've threatened to set on fire already, and after they kicked him in the face, they told him to get up to his feet, and they use him as a shield against the other guard. And he tells him, if he shoots, I'll shoot you.

So he tells the guard. They retreat to their getaway car and um yeah now at this point this is all going on while they're being their homes are being surveilled right so uh barnett says that uh quote we saw them return home in a rented car we heard about the robbery we knew they would have been responsible for it, so we decided to go in. Yeah, what more are you going to wait for? What are you going to let them do?

You see him leave. You hear on the radio there's an armed robbery. They come home in a rental car. Let's go ahead and fucking wrap this back. Wearing overalls and an old man mask. Let's wrap this up. Jesus Christ. So at Orchard home um that by the way

he's it's got a you know fence all around it and all that shit they had to jump the fence and force their way into the house quickly because they knew there'd be a shitload of guns inside right obviously and i said it was fortunate we did because as we restrained orchard in the bedroom he had hanging up between his clothes and suits he had a fully loaded sawed off shotgun on a strap if he'd have gotten to that we could have had some serious action yeah yeah serious action good way to say it i guess yeah he's gonna fuck them all um so between orchard's house and sullivan's house police found all 18 handguns they stole from security guards they didn't get rid of any of them no they kept them all which is a very good evidence linking them linking them to everything um they

also in the end they're going to say that they stole um 14 armed robberies worth 3.23 million dollars there's an exact number i'll get to here so throughout that night and into the following morning uh that they're at the runaway Bay police station, the, they have Barnett over here. He's the guy who found them. He's sitting opposite from him. And,

uh, I guess orchard told Barnett quote, we were terrified too. I think we never intended to hurt anyone. We're not that bad. We might seem bad, but all in all, that's what he said. We're not that bad. We might seem bad, but I bad but all in all that's what he said we're not that

bad we might seem bad but i mean all in all all in all pretty good dudes we could have been much worse it's really like it's like the disclaimer in the beginning of small town murder that's what it is basically like i mean yeah we're assholes sounds bad it sounds terrible what we're going to do here, but all in all, all in all, I mean, come on. Could be worse. Yeah. So the cop was like, okay, you've kind of threatened to set a guy on fire and all that. He said, what do you think the feelings of the guards were? And Orchard said, I did feel sorry might be the word for the fellow that was out in front that I was going to put the chain on.

He says he was going to know he did put the chain on him. Barnett said, would it be the cop? Would it be fair to say that the plan was conceived and your actions were directed toward terrorizing one or all of the guards into handing over the money? And Orchard said, yes, we had plans to sort of terrorize them into giving us the money yeah you'd be right in saying that yeah that's you just say yeah you know we were gonna terrorize them threaten their lives that sort of thing but i mean no big deal just gonna terrorize them uh they said that they uh they said that william orchard's tone didn't match what was going on they said it was very formal almost like he was dictating his memoirs

like very very much not like uh you know like no emotion behind oh man or any of that shit he said quote we were going to chain them all together that's what he said about the guards in that one robbery that was the the plan was to chain them together he said um you know it might sound what's the word grotesque but we were going to do that to stop them together. He said, you know, it might sound, what's the word, grotesque, but we were going to do that to stop them from following us. He's just very to the point. Instead... We were going to sew one's mouth to the next one's asshole

and then so on and so forth. You know, just human centipede it. You know, and we were going to feed them and feed them and feed them and see what happened. You know, it was pretty cool. Figured it would be really hard for them to catch us on all fours. Very difficult while they're in another guard's asshole. So,

um, yeah, he said that they were shown a lighter than, you know, they're, they're, they're threatening to burn you alive. Yeah,

that's, that is grotesque. So, um, they said that, uh, they had their 38th, they were flashing their 38 fucking handguns everywhere.

There's a tomahawk. There's a lot of scary shit they're doing. She'll using human shields and all that sort of shit. It's it's pretty fucked up. So Orchard says, quote, So we were lucky to a certain degree that we never got a bullet in the back of the head. Yeah, he said, because I heard one go whizzing past from behind. I don't know whether you've had a bullet go past your ear or not, he said. But I know what that and then the detective said, I actually do.

Because he had been shot at a bunch. You fucking idiot. Well, he got shot in the hip. So yeah, and then got shot in a hail of gunfire. So he said, I know what that's like. So they said that they were quote. This is what the quote that Barnett gives about Sullivan and his stepfather. They were complete clean skins who started robbing banks and armored cars and got very

good at it. They also became increasingly violent in one armored car robbery. They chained the guard in the front of the truck, poured petrol all over him and threatened to set him on fire unless the people in the truck handed over the money. So people are fucking shocked that Sullivan is doing this. They always, like I said, he's been like known as like a straight laced guy,

right? Like gambles and shit, but he's not even a drinker. So they're like, this is very weird. Um, one, uh,

new town in Australia, rugby league coach, Harry Bath. Well, he said he was shocked to hear about this. He said, I nearly fell out of my chair when I heard the news about Gary. The last I heard of him was about three years ago running a martial arts school at Palm Beach. Wow. Not many knew that in his time at Newtown that he held a black belt in karate. The thing that struck me most about Gary was his immense strength. A real introvert, a loner who never really lived up to his true potential as a footballer.

This business of stealing millions is so out of character. Yeah. So he's a black belt in karate. So the kick to the thigh that knocks someone down makes more sense. Yeah, that makes so much sense. That makes sense. Strong legs. And he's athletic.

Yeah, he's good. So the most fucked up part of this is a poor bastard named Bernie Matthews. All right. He on February 20th, 91. This is six months before our guys are busted here. He's outside of his house in southwest Sydneydney fixing his lawnmower he had been jailed back in 1969 for armed robbery and uh he ended up escaping twice and all this type of shit he's a pain in the ass but he ended up serving his time um and they what they did is um

he said matthews says quote a guy stuck his head over the fence and said don't move don't move police they forced him to the ground and handcuffed him his wife came out at the time and uh she didn't know what was going on she was going to work she was going to get in her car to go to work and cops put guns on her and told her freeze police and all this shit. He said he didn't know what was going on, but the detectives told him that they had a warrant for him for extradition on a charge of robbery of an armored van in Sunnybank. Jesus. So,

yeah, they hustled him off to court where he said, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I didn't rob that shit. I've been at my house with my lawnmower and my fucking wife. They fucking extradited him called him a dangerous man with convictions for robbery and freeing fleeing prison yeah and they held him in jail um uh yeah the of the testimony of a former lover crown witness jillian ann ellis and an alleged record of interview what is this okay they said inspector davidson of task force magnum you know he named that he's like that makes us

sound like we have huge dicks doesn't it task force magnum cocks are coming an elite squad attached to the nsw State Investigative Group alleged at Matthews' committal hearing at a Brisbane court in the company of another detective. He had spoken to Matthews at the Liverpool Police Department. Now, according to this guy, this Davidson, he said Matthews said, quote, I've heard of you, Davidson, the front end loader. That's what you're known as in the system and Inspector Davidson replied. Do you understand your rights about not having to say anything and Matthews said yes Now, what do you blokes have to do with it? And they said the Queensland police have a warrant they're saying you stole six hundred ninety four thousand dollars from a sunny bank and

All this shit and they said the head of a shed that he was renting by himself. Inside the shed, they found a sawed off shotgun, two replica pistols, ammunition and several stolen checkbooks. And he said, I offer you the opportunity to explain your possession of those items. And he said, I've got nothing to say about any of that. He said, my crew, my group has made police like you out of date. You can't get nothing in as evidence now unless it's on video. I'll have you walking a beat in Wilcannia by the time we finish our campaign on you. You can hang up your handcuffs.

So then Inspector Davidson said that Matthews then said, quote, I'll tell you this. All the stuff in the shed is mine. And I done that job in Sunnybank. Now you just have to try to prove it. OK, so the his ex, whatever the fuck, Jillian and Ellis said that they were once involved in a sexual relationship and that he had accompanied her to court in 1986 when she appeared and was jailed on a conspiracy to commit armed robbery charge. Ellis said she remembered one conversation with Matthews where he had been planning a job for some time

and it would be the biggest job he'd ever done. He said it would be an armored car and it would be in excess of half a million dollars. Now, later in the hearing, Ellis said she overheard Matthews and two other men talking in a house in 1990. She said, I didn't hear all the details, but I believe the robbery they were talking about was to be in Queensland. And so she said she heard another guy saying that he was going to help out with the job and all this type of thing. She also said that Matthews opened a briefcase in front of her house on April 8th and told her it contained about $400,000. Wow. She also said he had two revolvers, a pistol

and a sawed-off shotgun. So he was sent to jail on five charges. They keep him a week in solitary confinement. All this type of shit. They're considering what to do with this guy. They call him... His lawyer says, the closest considering what to do with this guy. They call him.

His lawyer says the closest comparison I can make with this is the Harry Blackburn case, saying that he's wrongly accused. He said there's a view that this can't happen, but it can happen. All this type of shit. Turns out it's not him. It's them that stole the fucking money. And they knew it because that police force had been surveilling orchard and sullivan the whole they knew what happened but they thought another police force assumed that this matthews guy did it then went into court and fucking lied about the confession because they figured he did it anyway we'll just say he confessed to it but he didn't

fucking do it so this cop looks like a real fucking asshole now when the real people actually did it have evidence have the guns that the serial numbers that go back to the crime and they admit to doing it this cop's gotta go oh maybe i misheard matthews in the confession oh maybe he didn't say he did it and all this shit. So they got some fucking trumped up witness to come in and say some bullshit. And then the cop lie and say that, I guess he lied. The guy didn't. Why the fuck would the guy admit to doing something in a cocky way when he didn't even do it? That's insane.

Well, because they still have to prove it. That is fucking crazy. Cheryl Matthews, his wife, uh said quote uh this is about the grief family suffer no one wants to know about the children and the women's side of these circumstances the past keeps getting thrown up in my face when does the punishment end when does it end i guess when you stop dating bad guys i mean jesus christ Christ, you got to feel bad for this guy, though. He tried to turn his life around. He's not robbing banks.

They're bringing him in there telling him you're a scumbag. If they didn't catch these other two, he's going to prison for this shit. Probably for life. Straight up. They said he admitted to it and he's got a record of being a bad guy. I mean, you got to feel bad for this guy. I mean, you feel bad for anyone mistaken as gary sullivan but not nearly as bad as i feel for gary sullivan head of middle and

upper school at brookstone school he's got a master's in education in columbus ohio says he's a husband to a wonderful wife and a dad to three awesome kids educator and learner rugby and tennis coach see and he spells his name with two r's just like our guy so i'm like what the fuck man uh he says he is south african living in the u.s apparently he's from south africa that's why he likes rugby gary sullivan qualifying broker atonov Realty in Montgomery, I guess, Montgomery, Alabama. I don't know. But Gary Sullivan, executive director, construction management and engineering at Northeast ISD in San Antonio, Texas. He was in the Army as well.

Gary Sullivan, senior telecom analyst at nestle in stanford connecticut and finally gary sullivan managing director at uk scaffolding inc there's that oh sorry gary sullivan here um they say that uh once they're captured they fully cooperate immediately they're like nope you got us yeah like it was very like nope that's what happens all done uh they're interviewed over a course of three days um i guess at the end of which they consented to ex officio indictments. This is an Australian legal procedure where someone can be indicted even if the committal proceedings haven't taken place or if it was found during those proceedings that there wasn't

enough evidence to go to the trial. The director of public prosecutions can file this and make them stand trial. I guess during the course of the interviews, each of them made full confessions in respect to at least three of the offenses. They said that, you know, they wouldn't be able to convict them on some of them without the confessions. Within six weeks, they end up being ready to plead guilty here. The chief prosecutor told the court that they had committed 14 armed robberies over six and a half years in Brisbane, Logan City, and the Gold Coast between May 85 and October 91.

They netted up to $700,000 in each of the raids, mainly committed on armored vans that were collecting or depositing money at banks. armored vans or collecting or depositing uh that were collecting or depositing money at banks and the prosecutor said the crimes were quote banditry on a scale that has not been seen before in queensland banditry i like that yeah banditry that is wonderful that's in the old west that you you could specialize in banditry you could that's pretty awesome uh he likened their arm robberies to england's great train robbery of 1963 which by the way we've covered on this show as fucked up as that is yeah i remember roy james was part of that yeah the race car driver um which 2.5 million pounds were stolen so in uh on december 13th 1991 orchardchard and Sullivan are convicted of 12 offenses of armed robbery in company and two offenses of armed robbery in company with personal violence.

The offenses involved, like we said there, total was $3,278,185 stolen. Holy shit. Jesus Christ. Most of the money was lost through gambling. And yeah. So they said that the offense was extremely serious, including the six largest robberies ever in Queensland in terms of money taken at the time. Now it's been overtaken. The offenses were all carefully planned and skillfully executed with the respondents masked and armed with loaded firearms.

Their explanation, what they told the court, this is wild. Because the judge is like, all right, well, before I sentence you. Yeah, speak for yourself. Why did you do this? They said that, I swear to God, in court, the orchard said, sick of work. Sick of working, man. Just sick of work sick of working man just sick of it tired of cleaning up puke from your fucking kids would rather do it this way tired of working long hours and menial jobs for

little money wanted to get it a different way we're sorry we expressed regret probably shouldn't have done it the sentencing judge concluded that neither is likely to reoffend when released they said we don't think you guys you seem to have learned your lessons you sir you sirs may fuck off uh they are sentenced to 20 years each in jail okay with a non-parole period of seven and a half years so they gotta do seven and a half years each. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what they're sentenced to. While in prison at the ball, Batra lawn, Batra lawn correctional center in Queensland, Gary Sullivan coach back in the day, in 99, he was leading the over 50s against the Youngbloods for the Borallon Jail Cup in Queensland. Okay. So he's the fucking- Playing in the cup in jail?

The jail cup, yeah. He's leading the men over 50 in the jail cup tournament. Sullivan's- this is great. Okay, never mind. There's that. So those who played for him remember him as a, quote, honorable man, they said. Bernie Matthew, I'm sorry. Oh, that's right.

They said, okay, Bernie Matthews here, that guy who got busted by accident. He says, why does anybody get into a crime? There's no definite answer. But given the transition from rugby league to a great professional armed robber, he retains a lot of respect on both sides of the walls and razor wire. Wow. They love him. They think he's a fucking like he's like he's like an old West Jesse James bank robber. It's fucking crazy.

He didn't hurt. He didn't kill anybody. He certainly fucked no man up forever. No, he can't be doing that shit that's crazy man he almost got each that poor bastard he robbed twice i can't get over that i feel so bad for him in 2010 he was named at lock forward in the curry curry rugby league's team of the century what so apparently he's as good as they've had in the curry league they do not hate him at all nope but on the century team now here's something i can't find but i found that i kept seeing it referenced but i could not find evidence of it that we know that he was one of the top australia's top 10 most wanted these guys were they said that he was one of Australia's top ten most wanted. These guys were.

They said that he escaped from jail at one point, Sullivan, but then was recaptured after he stole a toothbrush in South Australia. They caught him for stealing the toothbrush, found out who he was, and put him back in jail. I couldn't find the actual, like, any coverage of that, though. All I find is an anecdote later on, so I don't know if it's true or not. I'll put that in there. Can't get enough of Gary Sullivan?

Well, you can go on Australian eBay and buy a 1971 mobile, like the gas, rugby league card of Gary Sullivan. It looks like it's got, you know, fake autographs on it. Looking pretty good. $25 in Australia for that. So you can get that. It's from 71. It looks like it's in mint condition. It's from 71.

It's still steep. Still a little steep. There's a bunch of Gary Sullivan shit out there. All sorts of cards. Like, yeah, rugby cards and shit. He's out of jail by now and probably being a dickhead somewhere. I'm sure he's coaching rugby or teaching martial arts or something but he had quite the fucking run man that was wild um i don't even

know what to say about that that was just insane just we'll just rob 14 banks please reach out and tell us what you're doing today no shit man just that you're not robbing people not being an asshole yeah don't wrap chains around people's necks, please. That seems like a bad idea. That's a really shitty move. That's a bad move. So that said, that is Gary Sullivan and some Australian rugby for some fun there.

Hope you enjoyed. It's a fucking crazy story. They stole over $3 million, $3.2 million. That's crazy. They got out of prison eventually. Oh, yeah, they did seven and a half years each. The judge. That's crazy. And got out of prison eventually. Oh, yeah. They did seven and a half years each. The judge said, we don't think you're going to reoffend, which means they got out immediately.

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