Crime in Sports - #29 - Murder for Boots - The Shortsightedness of Eric Naposki

Episode Date: August 16, 2016

This week, we tackle a story that is more twisted than a pretzel. What happens when you mix a former NFL player, with the fiance of wealthy, older businessman? We'll give you a hint... It's not good for the wealthy, older businessman. Join us for a tale of manipulation, tawdry affairs, and cold blooded murder. These are bad people, and we are going to give them what's coming to them. Or, we'll just tell the tale, and mock them for their stupidity, and incredible selfishness. Either way, this story is as fun as they come! Unless you're a wealthy businessman, with a fiance that is half your age. Lace up your cleats, find a murderous younger partner, and kill a millionaire with Eric Naposki!! Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Tuesday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Crime in Sports!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Small Town Murder Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/crimeinsportsInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] on Patreon: patreon.com/crimeinsportsPayPal: paypal.me/crimeinsports See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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this week is something out of you could make four lifetime movies like three true crime books and like a shit movie starring a hot actress who wants to win an award. You know what I'm saying? You could make all of that out of this one story.

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and try to offset some of these costs of our studio. And without further ado, Jimmy, good lord do we have an episode this week. This is a story I didn't know existed first of all. I had no clue this was even a...

these people were on the face of the earth and there's a lot of press about this story but they never really put it all together there was a dateline about this is that right i watched the dateline i watched it all the time and i don't remember this and it was on like three times 48 hours and i was watching it going you guys have like so little of that what a shit job they did really yeah i understand they're a professional journalism organization. We're two comic idiots sitting here telling it,

but we're going to tell you a much better story than fucking Dateline could because we dug a little deeper than Dateline. I love it. I feel like Dateline had three people

and they were like, okay, there's the guy's daughters, there's him, there's her, that's the show. Let's do it. Moving on. There's the prosecutor throwing a gun.

Bullets fly, somebody goes to jail, done deal. Put the set up in the background and let's do this. Give him some soft lighting so he looks nice and let's work on this get lester hold out there and let's run it down this is the story of eric naposki okay and it's not just the story of eric naposki there are a few other players there's a couple especially a lady

but eric andrew naposki he's born december 20th 1966 yeah he is born in new york he's a couple, especially a lady. But Eric Andrew Naposki, he's born December 20th, 1966. He is born in New York. He's a New York guy. He grows up kind of in the Bronx and Tuckahoe in that area. Tuckahoe is just north of the Bronx. Right by, you're driving to Yankee Stadium, you're going to drive through Tuckahoe. He looks like a guy that was born in New York. He does.

He's a real, he's kind of like a Guido-y guy. Now he looks kind of like a fucking idiot. He looks like a biker He does. He's a real, he's kind of like a Guido-y guy. Now he looks kind of like a fucking idiot. Now he looks like a biker pneumatic at this point. He's got like chest tattoos and shit. At the time he had

some gelled hair. Looked like he had like lip liner on in the pictures I saw from back in the day. He fucking waxed his eyebrows. Yeah. A lot. Yeah.

He was a definite, that kind of guy. He was a Jersey Shore before Jersey Shore. Right. Because this was like in the late 80s. Let's you know he's

into some fucking trouble. He is OG Jersey Shore this fucking guy. Because this was like in the late 80s. Let's see if he's into some fucking trouble. He is OG Jersey Shore, this fucking guy. The first Pauly D. The first Pauly D. So, I mean, in high school, he moved around a lot. He went to three different high schools for some reason, which was odd in the whole thing. I think it might have had to do with football, though, because he has some little fighting with some coaches later on. Perfect.

So, I feel like maybe that might have been it. He's all county in 1982 in high school. up going to yukon for college university of connecticut to play football which is not a football powerhouse right but uh you know east coast school they're known for their chicks basketball team that's what i'm saying you know in your highest they're known for lesbians they're yeah they're known for giant women dominating other giant women. Most women that play basketball are into women. I'm sorry.

I'll just say that. It's been my experience of talking to, you know, and knowing. I don't want anybody to be like, lesbians, blah, blah, blah. No, no, no. Chicks that play basketball

dig chicks. A lot of them are lesbians. Not all of them, but a lot of them are lesbians. A huge amount. Yeah. Dig chicks. Which I guess, I don't know.

I don't want to get too sociological or scientific about this, but there has to be some correlation between being 6'8 and a woman that makes you go, what am I going to do with a fucking guy? What am I going to do with him? Just throw him? I may as well be the guy. Come on.

This is ridiculous or whatever. I'm not feeling like this guy is going to be masculine. I don't feel very feminine. Not even that. Just the guys wouldn't seem masculine. Right. Exactly. I'm putting it like this guy is going to be masculine. I don't feel very feminine. Not even that. Just the guys wouldn't seem masculine. Exactly. I'm putting it on us even. But anyway, so he leaves UConn after a dispute with their head coach.

He apparently did not want to be a silver-haired, middle-aged white man to young Naposki. And so he said, I'm leaving. God damn it. I'm getting out of here. Who was the coach? Did we know? I don't remember. I don't have his name right here.

It's a UConn coach. What year was this? This was, I don't remember. I don't have his name right here. It's a UConn coach. What year was this? This was, I believe, 1985. 85, okay. Or 86, 86. That's right, because he started the NFL in 88. But this gets really whacked really quick, too. Awesome.

The funny thing is, he leaves college, and he's doing whatever for a year or two. The way he gets into the NFL, this is like a story where you want to root for. There's tryouts. His teams have tryouts where they invite some guys to. It's kind of like an open tryout, but an open invite tryout. They don't take like, it's not like Invincible. It's not like Invincible. Or the episode of all the Sonny and Philly about Invincible,

which is much better than Invincible. It's not that, but they have these tryouts. And they're like, hey, you can play football. Come try out. They have invites. It's an invite thing. You have to be an actual athlete. We don't want a fucking bartender.

Yes. Now, he played in a small school, UConn, not a football school, and he left before it was over. So he didn't really get – thefl wasn't really knocking down his door right not even enough to get an invite to a training camp so what he did was he snuck in through the fence wow the stadium for the patriots that's wow he literally snuck in through the fence acted like he belonged there yeah he's a big guy crashed the party six two 230 pounds he looks like a football player you go all right oh this guy seems that guy know. That guy belongs here. He had his UConn gear on.

He played college. All right, this is something. And so they end up, you know, giving him a number like everybody else and sending him out there. And I have an in their own words about this particular tryout here. In their own words here. It's so funny because you're going to like him for a little while because you're going to go, he's plucky.

I'm going to root for this guy. He's plucky like his eyebrows. Absolutely. Very plucky, Jim. I'd be, he's plucky. I'm going to root for this guy. He's plucky like his eyebrows. Absolutely. Very plucky, Jim. I'd be saying he's waxy. He's waxy. So this is in their own words about the Patriots' tryout. Quote, I snuck in.

They said, okay, the first guy to run the 40 is number 442. And I'm like, whoa, that's me. I go out and I run the fastest time in the country for a linebacker that year. The only other one who ran a 4.5 was Derek Thomas. Patriots general manager Dick Steinberg came over and said, Who are you? Wow. So he thinks very highly of himself. Derek Thomas was the only one faster.

Yeah, Derek Thomas is, if you don't know football, Fucking Hall of Famer. is a Hall of Fame linebacker. He died while he was still playing in a car accident, I believe. Post-humorous? What is it? Post-postumous. Post-postumous. That's it. Post-humorous? What is it? Post-posthumous. Post-posthumous. That's it. Post-humorous?

He's the poor man's Lawrence Taylor. He's Lawrence Taylor without the killer instinct. He was Lawrence Taylor in Kansas City, so you've got to notch down everything. Everything's on a curve in Kansas City. It's not quite there. There's a Patriots linebacker

named Ed Reynolds at the time who played with him. He said, quote, about Naposki, quote, he was tough as nails. He was real quick, a high-energy guy, but he was undersized. I don't have anything bad to say about him. He was the type of guy who wouldn't hesitate going down a dark alley with you. He's just a fun guy to be around. So that's what you want your teammates to say about him. That's so much that he just said.

You said a lot. So much that's really the want your teammates to say about you. That's so much that he just said. You said a lot. So much that's really the opposite of that man. But yeah, I want that man on my side going down a dark alley knowing what I know about this psychopath. He's saying he's a stand-up guy. A lot of people say this about him. He's a stand-up guy. If you hear any noises in the background, by the way,

Frankie the Crime and Sports Dog is here. We had to bring her tonight, and she was scratching a little, and her collar's making a little bit of noise. So we really apologize. That's completely, completely wrong to do. But you know what? You've all seen Frankie. She hates these criminals as much as we do.

And she wants in. She wants out. She wants out of that cage. She wants to go bite him. That's right. She's looking to bite somebody. So it's perfect. Sneak into this cage.

Sneak into this cage. So 1988, Dick Steinberg here, the original silver-haired, middle-aged white man for the Patriots. The guy who said, who are you? He signs Mr. Naposki here. So Naposki plays for New England in 1988, plays in three games. He's a linebacker, kind of special teamer. He's an undersized guy, like Reynolds said. He's a utility player.

Yeah, he's an undersized guy that plays on heart and that kind of thing. Heart regression. That guy will throw himself into a wall. He's a Lenny Dykstra of football. Tough as nails. Tough as nails. He's a Lenny Dykstra. I don't know what his smoking regimen was,

but I'm sure it wasn't up to Lenny Dykstra standards. So he plays three games with them. 1989, he plays one game with New England, and he's cut from the Patriots for whatever reason, just roster reasons at that point. Linebacker's usually a deep position. That's kind of where guys get axed a little bit here. So Indianapolis signs him that year, and he ends up playing for one game with Indy.

Nice. I mean, that's all right. He's doing fine. That's decent. 1990 goes by. I believe he had a couple of sniffs and didn't get signed by anybody, though. 91, he's signed by the Redskins. Oh, wow.

Which, they won the Super Bowl that year. Oh, shit. This is the year they go on to win the Super Bowl in 91, crushing the Bills of Minneapolis. He has a fucking ring? He does not have a ring because he hurt his groin in preseason and was released. Oh, no. And later on, he's like, I could have had a Super Bowl ring. Yeah.

He was very kind of like, that sucks. I played six games and got a ring. That could have been him. That could have been a super bowl right yeah he was very kind of like that i played six games and got a ring that's yeah that could have been him that could have been him instead no uh so instead this is when the world football league was starting which is now nfl europe basically they have the same teams barcelona dragon was it the london knights or whatever it's all goofy shit it's a bunch of european teams the frank they have a team in frankfurt do they really yeah it's like Frankfurt, Barcelona. I remember watching this when I was a kid.

I was such a football I remember the helmets with the fucking sword on the knight's helmet. Yeah, they had like a big dragon. On the red one, yeah. It was a black helmet

with a big dragon. Is it black? I think it was a black helmet, I believe. But the dragon's green. Yeah, and they might have changed to green. I remember when it started.

Yeah, it's whatever. It was cheesy as fuck is what it was. It's cheesy as fuck. It's their minor league. It's their minor league. It's their, hey, we can keep an eye on a guy and keep guys in football. So for them, it was, hey, they can stay in football. They don't have to go get a job mixing cement somewhere.

Instead, they can go to Barcelona like old Naposki here. The refrigerator Perry laying bricks. Now, speaking of, well, no, this is a Bix here. Jack Bicknell, who was Barcelona Dragons coach and general manager here at the time, says one of the silverest-haired statements I've heard in a long time here for knowing Naposki's future. This is beautiful. He says, quote, he was one of my all-time favorite kids. He was like a member of my family.

If you knew him, he was everything you wanted, a teammate and a player. He didn't talk much, but when he did, everybody listened. Oh, Jesus. He was a good enough linebacker to have a 10-year career in the NFL,

but was never in the right place at the right time. Holy shit. He describes Naposki like his grandfather. When he talks, you listen. I'm telling you,

my grandson, little Jack, he could have gone all the way. Never right place, right time. That coach did him wrong. That one injury, that guy took a cheap shot, took his knee out. That's the type of thing he says here.

Now, at the time, too, it seems like Naposki has his head out of his ass, actually. This is a statement that you go, wow, this guy knows the deal here. He wasn't in their own words about being in the World Football League at the time, this low-level league. Eric Naposki has some shit to say. He's got some shit to say. He has a lot of shit to say. I like it. He talks a lot.

He interviews. He's got some crazy shit to say later. You're like, whoa, you're nuts, dude. He says here, quote, on this team, everybody is very level-headed. Yeah, it's great to win and all, but we know right where we are. We're in the World Football League. Now, you can say that's only one step from the NFL, but it's also one step away from a 9-to-5 job.

You nailed it, buddy. That's a brilliant statement. That's brilliant. And that's the type of thing you want your players going around telling each other because then they might play harder. Right. They might give a shit. Good point.

Yeah. This is better than mixing cement, like I said. So the World Football League ends up folding in the early 90s. They go under. So he starts, he's trying to figure out what to do with himself, obviously. I can't imagine. Yeah, he's just football, football, football, football, and now it's just stopped. Depression, depression, depression, depression.

Yeah, now you're just a big, muscly guy with nothing to do. Big, muscly guy with great eyebrows. All muscled up and nowhere to go. His eyebrows were waxed to perfection. They were gorgeous. Imagine how good they were at this time, too, because he didn't have anything else to do. He was probably just sitting there with a hand mirror

and a tweezer just in case there was a stray waiting for one to pop up. Like the magnifying mirror, too, with the light on it and shit. Yeah, like a lady doing her makeup. Let me see my pores. That's what he's doing here. I want to see the fucking root come out with the hair. I need to see it.

Gross. After football here, he starts some kids programs in a local gym, like that sort of thing. He starts a security company that does security for apartment complexes, like the dipshit that walks around with his little badge on his flashlight. $25,000 a year.

Making sure no one's breaking into cars. But he owns the company. But he starts the company. It's that great for him he's kind of he's in a lull at this point um and this is the point here is about 93 this is all going on 94 this is the point where he meets a woman oh boy that for him and everyone else on earth it would have been much better if they never came across each other. Let's get into our B character for this. And she's really the A character, honestly, in this whole thing. She's the predator of this.

She's the prime suspect. Yeah, but he's a fucking idiot that helps her. And so let's get into her. Blinded by the Poon Tang. Blinded by it. Dammit. This is a woman, I'm going to give you all her names up front. Great.

And then we'll pick one and just go by that. She is called a million different things. Here's the owner of the Snap and Gyro. This is Nanette Ann Manickshaw Johnston Packard McNeil. Sounds like trouble. Four marriages so four of those are married names.

A last name of McNeil. We're going to go by and I'll get to there's a McNeil connection with our name of McNeil. We're going to go by, and I'll get to, there's a McNeil, there's a McNeil connection with our other, with our other lady McNeil. Oh boy. Lady McNeil of episode eight,

loves steroids and pistol grip shotguns, the Ballad of Sally McNeil, which is one of my favorite names we've ever had for an episode. But this, we're not going to go by McNeil, let's not get confused,

let's call her Packard. Alright. That's her last married name, I believe, we're going to call her Packard. All right. That's her last married name, I believe. We're going to call her Packard. Okay. Okay. Agreed.

At the time, she is going by Nanette and Johnston. So Nanette Johnston. Okay. At this point. We're just going to call her Nanette. If we reference Packard, that's her last name. Nothing else. That's a terrible name.

Fucking A. All right. It's so hideous. It's terrible. I hate the name Nanette so much. She is like, well, she's born in Chicago, and she grows up in Phoenix. She's a Greenway High School graduate. Oh, boy.

Well, we're not sure about that, actually. About graduates she went to? She went to Greenway High School, let's say. So she's a Phoenix girl. She gets married at the age of 18. Marries a guy named Kevin Johnston. Not Kevin Johnson. Kevin Johnston.

He was 23. She was 18. She's too old for him anyway yeah no shit yeah for the real kevin johnson they met that's beautiful jim they uh kevin johnson the mayor of sacramento former phoenix suns point guard got into some trouble for possible underage diddling we're not sure we're not gonna say it we're not gonna quite judge him yet. But if it ever comes down, you'll hear from us on this. If there's a verdict to fuck off for his future, we'll find it.

We'll find it. Don't worry. So this is Kevin Johnson. They meet while working in an electronics store together called Federated Electronics. I don't know. You grew up in Phoenix, Jimmy. Do you remember this?

I have heard of that. I don't remember. I think it was a... Was that... I have no clue. It may have been a video store. Possible. They call it an electronics store. It may have been. Yeah. I think it was a federal. Was that? I have no clue. It may have been a video store. Possible. They call it an electronic store.

It may have been. Yeah. I think it was a video store. Go on. I mean, it's an article in a paper from 20 years ago. So neither of them had a pot to piss in. They had no money between them. You know what I mean?

They're just making men's meat. They have a son together. You know, they're just trying to make a little family, make it work here. Yeah. Colonel Kevin Johnston. Now, she is like, she's like, she fancies herself hot shit we'll call it she thinks she's real hot and she's she's attractive she really she takes some like kind of sexy photos i guess that is all you see when she's referenced she's probably taking 80 million photos this woman

if you find out later on and as we go through through this, the type of woman she is, she takes a lot of pictures. And they pick three of them for every story over a 25-year period. That's the thing that's amazing. It's the ones in her vest that the shoulders are down and her tits are popped up. She's in like a bustier type thing, kind of leaning back. It's like a model. It's like if she wanted to be a model and she said, let me get some shots for my portfolio. That's what she did. It's because her pussy ruined some dude's life so they gotta pick the ones

that make it look like her pussy could ruin somebody's life. She had some guy that wanted to fuck her go out there and take pictures of her for free basically probably because and I wouldn't say that randomly but that's what she did because she's a manipulative bitch this one and I don't mean bitches and women I mean bitches and fucking bitch

because she's awful uh that she cheated on poor kevin johnston constantly i mean constant a guy there's a story about a guy she met named ted who bought her a bmw she pulls in the driveway with a bmw one day into kevin's place yeah and he's like uh where'd you get the bmw and she's like oh ted gave it to me we're just good friends to me so nice to me. So nice. He believes in me. He believes in me. And Kevin's not supposed to go, you mean he believes in your pussy? What are you doing?

Oh, shit. Now, Kevin says the final straw was seeing her leave a note on a nice car. She saw him do it. He saw her do it. And he went up to the car and read the note. And it was her asking him to some guy to meet her for a date and shit. So finally he's like, all right. Right in his face.

This gold-digging asshole, I can't deal with this anymore. So they break it off at this point, and they go back and forth, too. It's kind of a mess. He says later on, he would say, it's so sad, because he seems like a nice guy when he comes out later on in court. Yes, surprise, there's court in this later. He says, quote, I couldn't afford the nicer things. He was trying.

He just couldn't afford shit. He just couldn't afford her. And she wanted, I mean, whatever. That's what she wants. So they divorce after about five years. And they didn't have any money to the point where the $500 fee for the lawyer to break them up, Kevin paid for in payments, so you didn't even have $500. Wow.

So, I mean, they were just, they were living paycheck to paycheck. He's got to pay $20 a month to get a divorce. Yeah, and she's... Meanwhile, she's putting notes on every fucking car that's over $35,000 in the goddamn parking lot. Unreal. And Kevin, too, I guess he said,

from all accounts, he was cool with her new boyfriends. He was trying to be amicable about it. Wow. Because she has a power. This woman has a power over men. And at that point, you're probably still looking for the ex-sex, and you're hoping that she comes back when she's desperate

and just ride your dick until it falls off. I mean, the way she just completely manipulates and turns on their head smart millionaire businessmen, entrepreneurs later on. She's just a hunter. This guy is some schmuck who works in an electronics store. He's got no chance. She's going to completely take him apart like a vulture. Forget about it. So they were nice.

They reconciled, actually, at one point. They were nice, said they would, like, they reconciled, actually, at one point. He, this guy, this Kevin, moves her out to California, because he moved to California to get away from the whole situation, because he couldn't take it anymore. And there's hotter chicks out there. And there's hotter chicks. I don't know why his son was still in Arizona, but he moved out to California. They had a kid? They have a kid.

They have a son. And at one point, he's got custody of the son, which is interesting. That shows what kind of whack job she is. Yeah. Especially back then, in the 90. The chicks were winning the winning. You win. They were in custody cases left and right.

She must have not. I don't know. She uses the kids as kind of a pawn later. She's a terrible person. Once again, bitch not as in woman, bitch as in asshole.

We're just calling a bitch because it's convenient and it's one syllable. I'd rather call her worse. Yeah. We'll go with another one syllable word if you'd like

or would you rather hear bitch? You have those choices. It's either a bitch or a cunt. That's it, Jimmy. And the UK and Australia are fine with the latter. Yeah. But American women... She is a cunt.

This woman is just the definition. This human being is a definition of a cunt. This is the problem, ladies. So if ladies... Lots of ladies listen to this. This has nothing to do with ladies. This is a man acting like anybody. This is a cunt move here. This has nothing to do with ladies. This is a man acting like anybody. This is a cunt move here.

This woman's a piece of shit. So he moves her out to California. I'm sure on his dime. What? Moves her out to California, but then found out that she hadn't told her family or her current boyfriend in Arizona that that was what was going on.

Wow. She just said she was moving out there for a little while. Didn't say to reconcile with her ex-husband. Oh, what a bitch. So she's horrible. She's a jerk. Yeah, get the fuck out. They break it off.

She ends up moving to California, though, with the son. Would bring all kinds of different boyfriends to the kids' events, like birthday party, soccer games. She's bringing a different guy every time, which is just an odd move for anybody. As a parent, you can't do that. You confuse the fuck out of your kids. This is confusing.

One day, came to a doubleheader soccer game, arrived at the first game with one guy. Oh, no. And then Mr. Naposki here arrives for the second game. Wow. She had doubleheader dates with a doubleheader soccer, and then she went home with Naposki, of course, because whatever but unreal so this woman this is the type of woman we're dealing with right here she's completely unstable you can tell she's not exactly the type of woman like if you had a friend or a brother or anybody you would go maybe that's not the one no yeah

maybe you should stay away from i don't trust her she's worse than that all he's all this guy's got to do is throw that into a judge's hands for a custody battle. That right there is why he won. That's the thing. Because you can't put a kid in the custody of a woman that's doing that. That kid will be fucked up by the time he's eight. Absolutely. Now let's enter the third party here.

Let's introduce the third party, this unfortunate son of a bitch here. This poor bastard who seemed like, by all accounts, was a very, very nice man that a lot of people liked and respected. And actually, I'll get into here, did some really good work for actual humanity. Really? Yeah. That work he did made him a lot of money, but it actually helped shit.

It changed things. He didn't just, like, you know, do some derivatives or some stocks. He made a difference in people's lives. He actually invented something that helped people. Wow. Two things, actually. Let's get into this here. He's born in 1939, grew up in the south side of Chicago.

He was an old man. A poor kid. Yeah, he was a poor kid. Yeah, a white guy that grew up in the south side of Chicago. So that's how long ago that was. A poor kid, joined the Marines at 18, you know, just trying to do his thing. After the Marines, he ends up moving out to California.

Back then, they had a really good GI bill. If you were in the service, you could go to college extremely, extremely inexpensively. So he studied biological engineering in college in California. He's a really smart guy. Became a medical supply salesman after that. By 1975, he applies for a patent for an improved dialysis catheter that allows blood to be removed and then returned in a single needle. Wow. So that's a big deal. That's the standard now, obviously. That's what they do. He's the guy that invented that. Before that, they had to do,

it was a very complicated thing. He's a genius, this guy. And that's just the first thing he did. He figured out how to not stick sick people twice. Yeah, first thing he figured out how to how to not stick six people or sick people twice yeah exactly figure out how to stick them once and get it all done all flowing once and it keeps the vein going i guess and all that shit so um he sells his invention to a medical firm in 1977 at this point he makes like his first million at this point he does pretty well with it but it doesn't doesn't kill it at the but he enough to quit his sales job and basically start working on shit in his garage he starts working on inventions in the early 80s this is amazing he did this in his garage this is incredible in the early 80s he got another patent and a patent's a big deal in the

u.s everybody like to get a patent you really have to have a something very different and specific and specific and planned and perfect and you can't just be some jerk off going i got an idea i'm not gonna give you shit for that it has to be very specifically yours those commercials in midday when they've got like some some neanderthal hammering on a wheel and they're like call us for your invention yeah those are not the people calling that that are this guy's caliber this guy's yeah way beyond those people are like i got a thing so you can wrap it around your dog's head you're saying no this guy instead what he did is this is amazing he gets it's another single needle system that removes the plasma from blood he's the guy that invented donating plasma no before that you could donate plasma but you needed a giant centrifuge

to get the plasma out just getting it out getting it out they did it before but you needed a centrifuge right i mean it was like an op you need a whole room for it now you need he invented simplifying it done yeah wow simplifying it that's amazing and a gigantic breakthrough obviously for everybody in medical especially college students that are trying to donate absolutely for a little extra cash here so basically him and his partners sell this idea and sell this patent for tens and tens of millions of dollars in 1986 i mean life's good for this guy he's got he's doing that shit in his garage who in his garage that's how smart he's coming over amazing that he's like i got this idea to get plasma out of your blood can you come over so I can check the funniest part is think about

like you know he had like a dipshit neighbor that just liked to wander around and be like what's going on in there

you guys got beers you guys got beers I'm coming over help you with anything no no no I'm trying to replace a centrifuge with a single needle

that will take the plasma out of blood you want to try on my arm on a beer on a beer dangling six-pack by the one thing. Hanging the plastic.

Hold it out for him. He's like, no, I don't. Closes his garage door, presses the button. Get out of here. So he's got tens of millions of dollars now. What's his name again? Bill McLaughlin. Bill McLaughlin. William Francis McLaughlin. Here we enter

him. He, we enter him. This guy, man. He's got three kids. He's got a wife named Susan that he's been with for a long time. Three kids with her. He's got two girls and a boy. And some unfortunate things happen to this boy, too. He buys a small plane, flies that around.

He's got his pilot's license. He's got homes in San Diego, Hawaii, Vegas. He's killing it. He buys a large home right on the water in Newport Beach. That's his family home that they all live in. But he doesn't think... Newport's gorgeous. It's fucking great. He's living in paradise, basically.

He doesn't really have to do much. He does whatever he wants. He goes to Vegas for like three days. He flies his plane there. Comes home every Thursday night from Vegas. And he's got the life too because he's not like some fucking sports star or some celebrity that's got a bunch of money

and everybody knows what this asshole looks like. So he's got to go be a big shot somewhere. He gets to live life anonymously and rich as fuck. Anonymity? Post-posthumously anonymous. That's I think what you're going for. He gets to live a life of anonymity.

It's beautiful. And he gets to fly anywhere he wants in his own little fucking plane in Newport. Yeah. Where if somebody,

if he sits down at some amazing steakhouse, somebody's like, what does that guy do? I don't know. Who knows? And he can just be like, who am I?

And throw a fistful of hundreds at him and be like, I'm going to pull a plasma out of you, motherfucker. I'm going to throw a plasma out of you, motherfucker. I'm going to throw a Ferrari at you. Are you kidding me?

Just toss him or say he's out. I'm betting plasma. Plasma, bitches. Start spraying blood on him. I got plasma money. Comes out of his wrists like a magician, like Job on Arrested Development. But where'd the lighter fluid come from?

And it should be. Same thing. It should be. And it should be that life for him, because he did something amazing. A little curveball. His son, Kevin, gets in. He's hit by a drunk driver

in the late 80s. Oh, Jesus. And it's going to come into play later, actually, in the story, but he has some severe brain damage. Oh, no.

I have to find, I don't want to, I'm going to butcher this term. The medical term for it, I believe, is pudding brain. That's what he had. Because he's a pudding child pudding child he is ray

caruth's son all grown up no offense to anybody and i'm sorry to laugh at this guys but the recording i had to listen to and i'll get into it when it comes up i am no one cannot laugh at this i'm sorry it's sad maybe i'm a horrible person we're comedians yeah so we see it when the worst this is i'll tell you later hold off okay because it's funny so he's got terrible

brain damage it's terrible terrible brain damage so at this point also his wife Susan files for a divorce in 1990 so I don't know

what she want out I don't know maybe she wants to get some dough and hit the road and go fuck 25 year old guys I don't know

what she wants to do live a lifestyle of unbelievable proportions maybe she wanted to get away from Pudding Boy I have no idea maybe she was like I can't take it anymoreold guys. I don't know what she wants to do. Live a lifestyle of unbelievable proportions in Newport. Who knows? Maybe she wanted to get away from Pudding Boy. I have no idea. Maybe she was like, I can't take it anymore. I can't.

I don't know what the fuck he's saying. Maybe she's a bad mom. I have no clue. I don't want to take care of him anymore. Apparently, they go through a nasty divorce. Really? It's really nasty, really contentious. In early 1991, they finally hash it out, sign a deal,

and he was just drained. Not monetarily drained. Emotionally. He had just like drained, not monetarily drained, emotionally. He had tons of money, gave her some money, whatever, but he was just like, fuck me, this is, my life is just, I need to find somebody who's very lonely. Starts looking for companionship in singles ads. Oh no. He comes

across an ad. Millionaires, don't do this. This ad reads this is early 1991. I've got a snapping gyro. This is the text of the ad. It might as well. It says, first three words are all caps. Wealthy men only.

Oh, boy. Single white female, 25, 5'5", 100 pounds, classy, well-educated, adventurous, fun, and knows how to take care of her man. Looking for an older man, 30 plus, who knows how to treat a woman. You take care of me, knows how to take care of her man looking for an older man 30 plus who knows how to treat a woman you take care of me and i'll take care of you older man is 30 plus sorry she was 25 at the time she's 25 so she's just like older than me so she's saying older than me yeah and she said and she's clipping that out and taping it on everything better than an ultima back then this is this is what she said She said, okay, I just want rich. I don't care how old they are, but under 30, they might

not be as impressed with me because they can whatever. But over 30, they're going to be like, oh, this is a hot 25-year-old. I'm going to have a little more plus. I think she's that manipulative. She's very strategic. I wouldn't think that unless I knew the whole story. So now I do because I do know the whole story. But this is the ad she puts in. This is

Nanette Packard's ad. That's what Bill reads. This is what Bill reads. All Nanette here puts this in. Bill reads this and apparently was taken by it because he ends up contacting her. Her claims are all fucked up too because she says well-educated.

She claims to have graduated from ASU, which wouldn't really be well educated anyway i'd be educated yeah but you're educated and you got some education content of liquor of different i mean that's all you know you've got some stds you probably know how to put a take a cream to your johnson that's about it other than that you don't know what the hell you're doing so she claims this though she later claims to have an mba the whole deal uh kevin johnson her first husband later says he said he says this later there's a great quote quote to my knowledge she never even graduated from high school that's beautiful right there she's just full of shit

this lady completely uh after he answers the ad they quickly become close right away she knows how to play this guy yeah she's 25 Apparently she knew how to reel an older guy who was feeling lonely whose wife broke up with him and has a pudding boy. Who just went through the shit. Yeah. I mean she's like

your pudding boy is fine. I don't mind him and then they got together. Oh I know exactly what he said. I know what he said. He said blah blah blah. It's fine.

I speak pudding. I speak fluent jello. It's fine. So he's buying her jewelry. He's buying her diamonds. He's got a Rolex watch. He's just lavishing the whole lifestyle. It's crazy.

They're going on ski trips to Europe. Not just regular Europe ski trips. Those secret places rich people go. Shit like that where you're like, where is that? I never even heard of that. She's got to have unbelievable vagina. Apparently, from what is said by everyone yeah that's her best asset is she knows how to reel people in sexually and and get them to do whatever the fuck she wants and that's how she that's her bait she fucks good that's it and she's got to be smart to be able to do this

too because she she manipulates a lot of people. At least clever. At least clever. At least clever. Yeah, in the end she doesn't look so smart, but still. But the amount of time she gets over on people, you're just like, wow, this lady has got some set of fucking balls on her. And so the only way to put it, like if I ever met her, I'd go, you got some balls on you, lady.

That's all you could say to her. That's it. So in 1992, she wins custody of her two children from her ex-husband yeah now at this point too she had already been living she moves into the newport beach mansion wow she she rushed bill mclaughlin says get on in here honey you're coming in with me let's let's because i can get custody of my kids and get more child support and all that shit kids come on too i mean shit she said come on kids we're gonna live in a mansion on the beach and they were like great

absolutely dad's probably got a two-bedroom apartment in in you know torrance or something she's living in newport living in rivers yeah he's living in riverside in a manufacturing fucking home so they all move in the mclaughlin clan the mclaughlin mclaughlin clan home here um within a couple weeks i I mean, this is like, she's moved in within like three weeks, four weeks, like within a month, she's in the house.

She has sunk the hooks in. Quickly. And her kids are there a couple months later. I mean, there's the whole family. Gives her credit cards, gives her a Mercedes, just like a no limit expense account.

Just, here you go, lady. Spend it, honey. Knock yourself out. He said at this point to be worth $55 million in 1991 money. And after a divorce yeah wow yeah and that's 1991 so keep in mind 55 million in 91 is a shitload more than that yeah that's a lot of 25 years ago that's a lot of money so whoosh um bill has like i said three garden children the two daughters don't live there only pudding man lives there um this poor guy yeah Yeah, he's severe brain damage.

And this whole time, is she carrying on a relationship with Eric Naposki? No, no, no. Not yet. They've met. But she is, apparently, it comes out later, she's just anything she comes across. Wow. She likes to have sex with younger, attractive guys. And Bill, you know.

And she'll deal with Bill for the expense account. Bill's not a hideous guy. He doesn't look like Captain Lou Albano. He's not some fat, hairy, mole-filled guy. He's whatever, but he's a 50-something-year-old guy. He looks like a 55-year-old businessman. You go, whatever. He's got saggy balls and a Tommy Bahama shirt.

If he had a nice 45-year-old wife, you'd go, perfect. But a 25-year-old wife, he might be pushing it a little. It's twice your age, honey. So I don't know. Buys her a huge engagement ring and proposes in one year. Whoa. One year, he's proposing. He's trying to rub it in that ex-wife's face.

It has to be. Look what I can get. And there wasn't even Facebook to post it on. You want to leave me? Bitch, look what I can get. This is just knowing it in your own head. This wasn't like, I'm going to post it and everyone will know. This was like, I know it.

He wants to send a Christmas card to her every year. That's all he wants to do. Absolutely. The two daughters do not like her at all. They tell him that she just wants money and what are you doing with this girl? She's our age. Like, what's fucking going on here?

I saw her blowing the pool boy. What are you doing down there? I saw her blowing the pool boy while the landscaper got her from behind. This is not cool. And the AC guy was jerking off watching the whole scene yeah so he was he was filming it the ac guy he was filming it so bill is so impressed with her and doesn't give a shit what the daughters say so much that he makes her a one million dollar beneficiary for

his life insurance policy oh that was fucking dangerous this is like a this plays out like a lifetime movie where you'd be like, he's no one's that stupid. No, he's this is vagina control. The man invented an easy way of drawing out plasma. He invented a simpler way of getting urine

out of blood for people with bad kidneys. But that that's how dumb men are. Is that we can invent and create such amazing things, but the minute the great pussy comes into our lives, all bets are off. It's true. You can't guess what we're going to do next.

The same way a single needle from him can make plasma separate from blood, this is how the female genitalia can separate the logic and the intelligence from a male brain you have no idea what we're gonna do strips it away man baby you're never gonna guess what i did i got rid of all my shit and put everything in your name why the fuck did you do that and just just to make sure too just he wants to really if i'm dead i want you set up also puts puts her in the will for 150 grand and also too in the will was a stipulation that if he died she'd be able to stay at the house for a year without having to pay anything like i would be taking care of an entire year to you

your kids you have a million dollars you can go start another figure out your own life he wanted to make sure they were well taken care of. He genuinely cared about this girl. He really did. He cared about her. Everybody says he cared about the kids. He seems like a decent guy. Basically, yeah, so the daughters hate him.

Pudding Brain has no opinion of the shit either way. He's like, she's pretty. He doesn't care. She blew me. It was great. It was great.

So, God, Jesus. We're sorry. Honestly, we don't mean to be imitating the mentally disabled here but i just picture like christ did dateline get a hold of him that would have been awesome if they interviewed him and were like how was she she was great at blowjobs oh he doesn't talk that well at all it's it's you can't understand it's so it's so rough man this poor guy i feel bad for him honestly he like has he has the the voice definition of like somebody right after they come like always he's like always

yeah always so the daughter said she'd do anything for money is what they're saying didn't everybody around them said they didn't seem to be in love they seem to be like in lust no not even they didn't seem to have any like in dumb they were just like we are together and i'm here and i'm going to be your wife and you will i will spend your money and we'll be a couple and here are our children and present it and they were just like and i'll rub your penis like they were like they were cast as a couple and they were just like i guess we're a couple now wow it's that kind of thing like he just wanted company i feel like he wanted to feel loved probably yeah and you know whatever he was just hoping that somebody and they were just like, I guess we're a couple now. Wow. It's that kind of thing. Like, he just wanted company, I feel like.

He wanted to feel loved, probably. Yeah. And, you know, whatever. He was just hoping that somebody would do it right. She's having several affairs, like I said. Weird.

She's really into... Weird. Yeah. Super weird. Bill had no idea. She had no... He had no clue? ...clue what she was doing.

He's out of town. He's got business. Yeah, but... He's coming back. He has no idea. It isn't 91. He trusts her. There's no cell phone. A pager is the best thing he's got at this doing. He's out of town. He's got business shit. He's coming back. She has no, he has no idea. And this is in 91. He trusts her. And there's no cell phone.

A pager is the best thing he's got at this point. That's it. And one of these boyfriends being the posky here. That's, that's, that's her main squeeze

is the posky on the side. Yeah, he's a strapping football player. He's 6'2", 230 pounds, muscle, eyebrows plucked to the moon. I mean,

he's, he's wearing Oakley blades. At the time, he's a, he's a hot shit catch for this broad. She's like, yeah, this guy, he's got something going on. At 91, he's wearing like neon colors too. Oh, big time.

You know he is. He had giant orange Carl Canai pants that you could see from space probably, those things. All the friends were surprised at, all of Naposki's friends were surprised at how into her that he was. Like they all said he was really good looking outgoing confident the one friend said quote he quote dated a lot like he said it like he was banging everything that moved is basically what he said when he said a lot he goes because he dated a lot like he was like damn we were jealous basically yeah he's a cool guy he played in the league like we said he had stories he had stories he was an impressive

dude in la absolutely yeah so they were very surprised but then they all said she was so damn sexy they were like oh you know what she's so sexy i could see why you know and they all said she was very assertive and very smart yeah and she was telling she he's telling the family his sisters and shit she's the one man this is the one here and they also thought that she was something she wasn't because she was telling them total lies about herself she's telling an aposki his family she's saying that she had an mba like we said and i don't even know if she graduated high school saying that she's got a master's saying that she wrote business proposals and did medical sales for a living does this sound familiar told him that she just invented a needle that separated plasma from

blood what yes she stole his invention she's saying she's just taking his identity just taking the credit for everything all this money that is mercedes i have in all this it's my money because i did this right told told everyone that she took the invention to her boss at the medical supply company who was bill mclaughlin that's what she says and then they became business partners she's telling him he doesn't even know they're together he thinks that they're business partners and that he's she's trying to just you know get this business deal and get her millions and get the fuck out and get away she's living a double life she's a double who knows how many unbelievable amount of life that's the thing she's got it going this lady is this is well this is why i said what i said in the beginning it and it gets so much worse than this it's awful she told everyone

that she's so that that bill sold her invention then at that point she said bill sold it for all these millions of dollars yeah i have 55 million dollars now said that he was her business partner the whole day it's it's this is like as sociopathic as you get terrifying that this person walks around it's terrifying terrifying yeah it really is it's like it's like it's very much like human like animal yeah or a plant that's pretty and it eats you and right poison your eyes she's she is a predator she's a predator by by and large she's a hundred percent predator absolutely um she said that the house, they had other houses, but the Newport house was an investment that they were putting,

like a business investment. That's what she's telling everybody. Telling Naposki that McLaughlin and her have made a business investment in this house and they sleep in separate bedrooms. There's no hanky-panky. This is just a business relationship. And he's going, yeah, he's like 50 years old. Yeah, sure, I'll buy that. He's not thinking they're together because she's saying i made all

this money on my own what the fuck does he need her she need him for is what he's thinking so naposki said you know he just never even suspected it that's the thing he kept saying he never suspected it um at this point summer of 1994 where we are now, Nanette starts telling Naposki that Bill McLaughlin's been sexually assaulting her. Starts telling Eric that basically... A beefcake giant man. The only reason for that is so that that man will harm him. The only reason. Started saying that he would sneak into her room at night and sexually assault her and shit like that so really calling him like this awful sexual predator monster and he's in

love with this woman and you know he's in the end i'm sure he's on roids probably yeah oh my god as big as he was especially because he's not in the league he's not getting tested for anything at this point so uh at this point one thing goes well for bill he's involved in a long lawsuit for like a couple years with an ex-business partner named hal fishel and in this suit fishel loses loses the suit to mclaughlin and has to pay bill nine million dollars wowza so official's not happy with him at this point this former business partner so that's that's that's key that hangs around for a while um at this point now we're at december 1st 1994 when shit starts getting hot and heavy here okay eric gets a job at head remember he had a security company he gets a job at as the head of security

for a place called the thunderbird nightclub and this place is 131 yards it's measured out in court here that's surprise spoiler alert guys there's a court case coming up. Club is 131 yards from Nanette and Bill's Newport Beach home. All right. He's literally in the backyard. Yeah. Just hanging out. He can watch the house from his bouncer's post. Waiting to come on in and lay some pipe.

Yeah. Just hanging out there, right? Also, too, at this time in November 94, Eric and Annette are seen shopping for million-dollar homes. Oh, weird. They're shopping for big houses together, and they're telling the realtors, yeah, they're looking to move in, too. They're looking to get something like spring of 95, spring of the next year. Pretty quick here. Pretty quick.

As soon as the life insurance pays, that's when we need to get a house. Meanwhile, she has no fucking money, and he's in debt out of his ass, this guy. He's got, like, failed businesses. He bombed out of the league. Tons and eyebrows yeah oh god the eyebrow at this point i feel bad for his eyebrows because he must have been getting out of control because he had to choose food or eyebrow wax i don't know he probably chose the wax i'm sure he's not gonna let those get bushy no come on now the shore would be so disappointed i'm telling you man uh so december 13th 1994 bill mclaughlin calls his brother patrick now bill's in las vegas because this is a wednesday night

all right and says that he feels like his life is in danger and he feels like someone's out to get him and patrick's like what do you mean who's out to get you he's like i don't know i just feel like some i something's going on i don't i don I just feel like something's going on. I don't feel right. Somebody's out to get me. I've got $55 million. I'm in California. I've got a hot girlfriend that's very, very young. I feel like somebody's out to get me. And an ex-business partner that just had to pay me $9 million.

Who's not fucking happy about it either. Somewhere, I just feel like this universe is going to fuck me. Yeah, I feel it. I feel the pressure. I feel it right in your stomach. You know what I mean? Spidey sense is tingling. I'm about to get fucked over.

Absolutely. So, yeah, on his schedule, he's on his regular schedule the next day, December 14th. He flies home from Vegas in the evening, drives home, hangs out, finds a note from Nanette. Oh, she is good at these notes. When he gets home, just saying, hey, I'm going to be at the soccer game late. Gotcha. You know, because she is taking her son to soccer that night. These soccer games where she brings all her boyfriends.

Right. She's taking her son. Apparently it's the championship game that night. And so she said she's going to be home late because there's trophies and all that shit. So at 9, 10, or I'm sorry, yeah, 9, 10 p.m., Bill comes into the kitchen. He starts making a sandwich in his own home. You know, he's just like, fuck it, I'll make a sandwich. Typical Wednesday night.

And think about it. He probably, you know, the wife wasn't there, and he's like, all right. Maybe he was going to go out to dinner or something or order something in, and he was like, yeah, I'll just make a sandwich. I'll just make a ham sandwich and watch Jeopardy. He's got lots of money. He's probably got, like, good cold cuts, too. Yeah.

He's got, like, good lunch months. Yeah, he's got the nice ones, the boar's head. Yeah, he's got boar's head or, like, even better, you know what I mean? He's got a real nice, one of these real boutique delis he probably goes to. Something shipped in. Some shipped in, imported shit, like $38.99 a pound prosciutto, shit like that. Unbelievable corned beef from fucking Ireland. So he starts laying down the corned beef, and lo and behold, out of nowhere, out of the darkness,

someone comes up and shoots him six times. Oh, Jesus. Unload, six shots from a 9mm. Got a lead sandwich for you. behold out of nowhere out of the darkness someone comes up and shoots him six times oh jesus unload six shots from a nine millimeter got a lead sandwich for you i had some lead for your sandwich pal so he gives him some lead for his sandwich and i he bleeds out on his kitchen floor at this point yeah that's that's that's the end of bill mclaughlin jesus uh kevin pudding boy is upstairs listening to music at this point he hears the gunshots and he meanders down there i don't know if he ran i don't know what his capabilities are he got downstairs somehow he gets downstairs no one's there he calls 9-1-1

and this is the saddest shit i've ever heard in my life and this is only a comedian can laugh at this and possibly the british and the australian and the irish because americans are going to be pissed off at this probably for us but jimmy this is the worst moment of this poor kid's life probably he's brain damaged too so he's having a hard time processing he comes in the kitchen and his father his father who he loves the man who takes care of him is in a just bleeding out from six gunshot wounds dead on the floor he's completely in a pool of blood I mean imagine

how horrible this is I can't I can't imagine he calls 911 and imagine calling 911 because your dad's shot and you're like oh my god

oh my god and they can't understand a fucking word he says the recording I heard the first thing was I can't understand you and then you hear him go

my mother's mark i'm sorry i'm not trying to be a dick and i'm not that's what it sounded like and i don't have the audio recording and i don't know if we're allowed to whatever i don't know if that's fair use so i have to i have to imitate it and the lady's like what your mother he's like he's freaking out and i'm like oh this poor head man jesus christ and i've never felt worse for, and I'm like, oh, this poor head, man. Jesus Christ. I've never felt worse for someone, and I'm laughing at the same time. There's tears rolling down my face. And if Bill is even a little bit conscious at the moment. Oh, he's dead.

He's knowing that even if he's not dead yet, he's like, I'm completely fucked. This is my help. This is my help. A guy that can't fucking say anything. He can't say shit. So luckily for Bill, he was dead anyway, and the extra time it took for that didn't matter. This poor bastard, man. God, I feel bad for this kid.

So he's been brain damaged. He found his dad on the ground. Like, this kid's got it bad, man. So out of this whole thing, there's no witnesses because Kevin didn't see anything. They come up with no fingerprints, no weapons. It was early dna so they couldn't do like the like the trace dna where they get like a finger oil off something they couldn't do any of that shit yet basically sweat drop and they lock him up you needed like you

know a hair with a whole follicle you needed a person holding a gun over a body or like a cord of blood to do it back then you couldn't like q-tip the wall and say, oh yeah, Bob was here. It doesn't work like that in 1994 like they do now on TV. So that's the problem there. And they're asking all the neighbors about the situation

and they're like, you know, oh, what do you know about it? And the guy goes, that sounds like somebody was mad at him. No fucking shit,

asshole. Solid, sir. That is the most solid statement of the year. Are you a reporter? Are you a detective? Because you should be. I don't know. I'm thinking i'm thinking about it listen kojak you are amazing at this someone was mad at him one shot i don't know but six they were mad somebody was pissed he's like the iced

tea from fucking sv yeah yeah yeah just says this super fucking obvious shit unreal man so uh police find out they're doing the course of their investigation they go through the whatever they're trying to find out where everybody was because at first they immediately they think of hal fishel yeah because they're like uh didn't this guy just win a nine million dollar lawsuit last month let's take a look at that let's see who doesn't want to pay him nine million dollars absolutely but he had a solid alibi he was in santa barbara 150 miles away which i don't think he would have shot him himself anyway for nine million to hire a guy for 100 grand and have him do it anyway maybe shoot him six times with a nine millimeter

but it's not him all right it's not old hal fish no the crime and sports net crime and sports movement right here is going to clear hal fish as a suspect we're going to move on to the family like the police did here they uh moved on to the family because they wanted to know who would know his schedule, who would know where he was, because you'd have to know if he was home or not. He's gone half the time. So if you didn't know, it's not a random thing. You didn't just hang out at home all day.

Absolutely. Police find out that Nanette was at her son's game, but they find out it was with Naposki. So the police ask the family, the daughters, do you know was with naposki so they police asked the family the daughters and do you know this eric naposki and they said no idea who that is never heard of them never heard of him because she didn't bring him around because that's her goddamn boyfriend so the police tell them that that was their boyfriend and the kids were like they were upset

obviously and that makes a lot of sense now we get it her dad's been taking this all time so much they're like no shit that makes sense and of course they're we get it. Her dad's been taking this all the time. We've been telling him so much. They're like, no shit. That makes sense. And of course, they're like, yeah, he's a former NFL player. Well, they're like, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. So Naposki says that Nanette told him about the murder. He said, I didn't know anything about it.

Naposki said she told him about it. And she told him that it was all halficial. It had to be because of the lawsuit. And he was like, yeah, that makes sense. That's his claim. He's going, yeah, sure. Yeah, that makes sense that's his claim he's going yeah sure yeah that makes total sense you know

so during this investigation physical evidence here two keys were found at the residence one in the lock still and then one on the ground next to the door

you know how when they make you keys they might make you two and they put it on that shitty little key ring that you can just go like that I feel like maybe

that's what it was there's two he just ripped one and flung it. Flung one. These are freshly made keys, by the way. Wow. Freshly cut keys,

and we'll get into that. Still got flakes on them. A little better. Yeah, they're real sharp. They could tell they were freshly cut. The same key opened the front. There's like a little gate from the sidewalk into the house,

and the same key opened the gate and the front door. So you only needed one key to get in the house. Gotcha. Basically, police start focusing, like I said, on the on the inner circle main thing is who has access to keys right that's to make copies of that so they're like it had to have been a someone that had key access otherwise this doesn't work um so they start looking at all these different people they did

forensic tests on putting man's hands on the putting boy's hands just to show to prove that he didn't fire a weapon that day like he could have fucking hit the guy right anyway i think he would have heard he can't even talk oh shit put the guns right it would have been fine so uh both uh both the daughters and his ex-wife susan all have alibis and no motive susan already got his money the daughters love him to death yeah you know they don't have any motive for this. So Nanette, on December 16th, this is the very next day, December 16th, 1994, Nanette calls her ex-husband, Kevin Johnston, who was at the soccer game the night before, and saw her with Naposki at the soccer game.

And that's partially her alibi. So she's depending on that. She says to him that, you know, don't worry, I didn't kill McLaughlin. It's not like that. I have an alibi. She said she was shopping at 9-11 when the 911 call was made. They're saying the time of the murder was like 9-10. She's like, I was shopping at 9-10.

I have receipts for it. Also tells him, this is insanely suspicious, tells him that when cops ask him about seeing her at the game, she said, quote, you don't need to tell him anything about Eric because he's not involved. You're like, just don't even mention that you saw him there. Don't say shit about that guy that's laying the pipe. It's just going to put the investigation in a weird course that it doesn't belong in.

Let's just keep it focused. Let's just make sure that they stay on the right track, find the right killer. Keep the scope narrow. Probably not Eric. eric at all so a week after the murder the police begin to follow naposki around because they're like okay no one else who had key access has any reason to kill him right we're skeptical of this broad especially after they hear shit from the family and the daughter's going you know we never trust her and all this kind of thing so they follow him around for a week and he said he noticed the cops are following him for a week he's like this is uncomfortable

um this is jesus so then they finally bring him in for an interview i think they're just trying to spook him so maybe they could pop a confession absolutely he came so uh we're on to you sir and the the first detective says for 20 years said he thought eric was being evasive from the moment from the start from the start and this question that this is it's a this is a politician couldn't answer this evasion this evasive like it's insane uh the detective asked him if he and Annette were boyfriend girlfriend type of relationship and he said quote well yeah I wouldn't say it's a solo, total, like, I have girlfriends, you know? What the fuck does that mean? What does that mean?

Are you guys intimate or not? That has no meaning whatsoever. You know, I got girlfriends and stuff. Solo, total. I wouldn't say a solo, total, like, I have girlfriends, you know? Was that a question? Was that a statement? What did you just say, sir? Like, that's incredible. And the detective from that, great detective, said, I believe he's being a bit evasive. No shit.

You and the guy from the news coverage should be partners. Yeah, you guys together would make a dynamite team. I think somebody's mad at him. I think he's being evasive. That was the neighbor. I think that neighbor journalist over there joey pulitzer prize over here so eric said at this point he tells him that

he doesn't he doesn't even own a gun he's like i don't even own a gun i don't know anything then a little later in the interview he said well i have a nine millimeter gun i do have one i don't own a gun you know i got this 9mm but I don't own a gun and he tells the police I have no idea where the weapon is either I don't know where it is and because he later

claims that he said he bought that gun for Nanette and that was her gun he gave it to her so that's why he bought it but he didn't have it so he said you know

but at the time he said he didn't tell the police that he just said I don't know where it is at the time he didn't you know because he said he said he didn't want to police that he just said i don't know where it is at the time he didn't you know because he said he said he didn't didn't want to start throwing around names and things like that they're accusing you of shooting someone you're saying i have that guy no throwing

around it you're saying i didn't shoot this guy i don't even have the fucking gun because it's hers right that's a throwing around names though i don't want to throw it around any names i figured i just go to prison for life it's easier that way go That's not throwing around names. I don't want to throw around any names though. I don't want to throw around any names. I figured I'd just go to prison for life. It's easier that way. Go to prison for like 50 years and I don't want to throw around

names. I'm uncomfortable with that. He's uncomfortable, Jimmy. I don't want to talk about this gun anymore. Guys, come on.

Don't you know about anything else? Have you seen any good shows lately? I mean, have you been to a good place to eat? I mean, come on, guys. There's nowhere to get

good cold cuts. No culture here? Yeah, is there anywhere to get good cold cuts? I've had this $38.99 a pound prosciutto lately. It was amazing. I mean, never mind. So, Naposki says he was convinced that Nanette had nothing to do with this murder at all. Thought police were trying to frame them both.

So, he's trying to cover for her, too. He's really running with it. Yeah, he's saying, I don't know where the gun is rather than saying gave it to her right you know i don't know hot potato not mine hot potato the snap and gyro to stay out of prison too yeah no shit so now at this point he starts seeing in the newspaper that people are talking about uh bill's fiance being investigated he's like what's this fiancee business oh no he still doesn't have any idea that they weren't business partners so that's how dumb he is and annette tells him that no no no i love you and it's not blah blah blah tells him that it was

just she was misquoted at one point and then all the papers picked it up that's what happens you know with these damn media oh she's dumb too unreal right that's how stupid she is 1995 this is you know the next month he does an interview here with the la times and she says quote nanette's here uh nanette should get in their own words i think yeah she's a bigger asshole she deserves it in their own words nanette here packard uh quote i didn't do it and eric didn't do it i don't think the police have any real facts they couldn't because i didn't do anything i stood to gain a lot more by being with mr mclaughlin than from an insurance policy you just called your fiance mr mclaughlin yeah no doubt fucking idiot number one that doesn't sound too romantic or and that just shoots holes in your

whole relationship with naposki, too. Oh, it's ridiculous. I stood more to gain by staying with him than being apart from him. That just ruins everything that you invented, first of all.

Yeah. Because it's pretty obvious you didn't. Yeah, and this was after they ended up breaking up. Naposki and her ended up breaking up because he said

he started, you know, pulling at the threads because they're both out of jail at this point. They're not in jail. They never got arrested. So they're like... You can unravel this story now.

Yeah. He's finding little lies and things like that. And he's starting to believe the fiance story considering that they have like pictures of him with, you know,

holding her hand and a ring on it on the fucking, you know, on the news. They have pictures of him on his knee holding a diamond ring up

for her. And she's frantically nodding up and down. They have like a flip book of her going up and down in picture form so uh at this point there's a witness here that gets lost in the shuffle for now and ends up they talk to her now she gets lost in the shuffle because she never gave her name and then she comes forward later on we'll tell you how much later but let's give you her her her knowledge at this point fantastic she said she is naposki's next door neighbor okay she says that eric came over after the murder not right after but like the next few days or actually before the murder ever but in the month leading up to the murder he was coming over saying that bill was sneaking into nanette's room at night and assaulting her oh shit and saying that he was he was upset he was so mad he wanted to blow up bill's plane he was

saying shit like that like i'll blow up that asshole's plane whoa you think he is he can't be doing that to people he admits to saying this yeah but says he was just blowing off steam he's like did his plane blow up that's his literal quote he says i was just blowing off some steam saying i'm gonna blow off his blow up his plane did his plane blow up no i didn't do it that was his plan i'm innocent because his plane didn't blow up that's his fucking claim which is insane it says that naposki came over three weeks after the murder and said quote maybe i did do it maybe i didn't maybe i had someone else do it and then told told koger that the cops only think he did it because he used to have a nine millimeter and that's what that's what bill was shot with dead with right now this is

what she tells the cops and the cops go there are six people on this earth that know what gun shot that guy and then one of them are detectives and one of them is a guy who shot him so how the fuck does he know it's a ninemm? So they ask him that. He goes, Nanette told me. And they go, so they're wondering, is it a leak? Because who knows if she fucking leaks out of a detective. Oh, that's a good point. So they have no way of knowing if that's a smoking gun type thing or not.

But the fact that he's going, I don't know where it is, that sounds very, very suspicious. How do you, when you're a gun owner, not know where your fucking gun is? That's the other thing, obviously. That's crazy. That's why he said he bought it for her later. That's a stupid statement. Now, about him telling her that maybe I did it, maybe I didn't line, this is his explanation for that later on.

He says, quote, I said I didn't first, and then when she kept badgering me about it, it was more of a laughing conversation at that point. But to me, it's just an off the cuff comment. You never, sir. No. Never, sir. Say, maybe I did it. When you're being investigated for murder publicly. Right. Don't say, maybe I did. Maybe I didn't. Maybe I hired a guy. You never know. I mean, no, that's not how shit works. That's hilarious. So, yeah, the cops are really, really curious about the gun thing with Nanette, but they never get to the bottom of it. That's the problem with this.

This is his explanation of his night, December 15, 1994. He says he went to the soccer game. It was the championship. It got over late, he said. Then Nanette drove him back to his home in Tustin, which is a town dropped him off at his truck it's in orange county yeah exactly this whole thing is oc orange county tells and then she tells him that she's going to go do some shopping and she's going out and he has to go to work so he says he changed clothes at his house and went to work at the thunderbird nightclub which is 131 yards away from the residence their residence not his says that he got a page from

his boss on the way to work. There's pagers. If you're too young to remember, pagers are little things that beeped and then have a number on them. You have to go to a payphone, which is a box that other people have licked and rubbed on their asshole, and you pay to have the privilege to press against your face. And put their bubble gum into your ear. It's awful.

So he says he pulled into a Denny's and used a pay phone which is a white trashy thing yeah pulls into denny's to use a pay phone using an irvine in irvine using a calling card the call he said was at 852 this is what happens here and now he says that he couldn't possibly have gone the 12 miles in the 20 minutes it would have taken for less than 20 minutes because he would have had to be out of the house by 9-11, which is when the phone call took place, the 9-11 call, the 911 call. So that's his thing here, is he couldn't possibly get to 12 miles in 20 minutes, whatever claims, there's no way he could have done it.

Southern California traffic, I kind of believe him. Kind of, but it's also at night, and it's also 25 years ago, or 20 years ago, too. Straight clear at night. Eric, at this point, was saying he was shocked about the thing, shocked about the whole fiancé thing still. He was still rattled about this. Still blown away. A year later, he's like, I'm not sure. I think maybe that was shady.

He's an idiot. Then, the funny thing about Bill McLaughlin and his daughters, the month after he dies, they receive a bank statement. You know, January for December bank statement. And they see that there's $250,000 missing. Uh-oh. Out of his check. That's an awful lot of money.

And they're like, where'd that go? So they dig into it a little bit. They find a check written for $250,000 the day before the murder. They get a copy of the check from the bank and it is a forged signature of her dad. And guess where the money was deposited? Eric Naposki. Nanette's account. She forged the goddamn check.

And put it right in her own account. The day before the murder. He ain't even dead yet. The ball's on you, lady. Good Christ. Jesus. Wow. He's unreal. So he ain't even dead yet the balls on you lady good christ jesus wow he's unreal so he's not even dead he has the day so this is being planned all right at this point they still don't press charges against these two wow the detectives are pissed off that the da won't press charges and they're they're just the cops were convinced that these two did it they're

like they did it everything circumstantial or not, if all the circumstantial points to them, come on, man. They even found out that the keys in the door, the freshly cut ones, they traced it back to a hardware store, and the owner of the hardware store said, yeah, that big Eric Naposki guy came in and got those keys like three days ago,

three days before the murder. I remember those eyebrows anywhere. They were sharp, man. They were looking good. It was two days before the murder he went and got mad keys made for the house how do you explain that yeah so 95 they don't arrest them for murder nanette is arrested and charged with stealing 500 grand rob mclaughlin both before and after his death because then she continued to pull money out of accounts and do all this shit. She's a ruthless cunt, man. She is ruthless. She had no anything, man.

So she began taking money from his accounts in 1994, or in January of 1994. So 11 months before the murder, she started doing this and planning it. A little before she met Eric. Almost like she thought, I can steal this money. If only I can get someone to kill him.

And then met Eric and was like that's the guy perfect there's the dummy she was his the one and he was hers also for different fucking

reasons completely at this point like yeah come on dummy let's be pals so she forged 350 grand in checks within 24 hours the $250,000 check

and then a bunch more for adding up to $100,000 in that time period um uh so yeah they once their break once they break up eric and nanette here in 96 they are mid 95 they break up eric moves out of california he doesn't want anything to do with her and it's a little hot it's just you're in the local papers yeah let's go back home he goes back home moves to new york he kind of lives in new y York and Connecticut area. It's all kind of right there.

1996, Nanette pleads guilty to stealing nearly 500 grand from McLaughlin at this point. And the judge, now there's all this suspicion over her, and obviously that can't weigh into anything. But he gives her a suspended year in prison. She spends 180 days in jail wow 180 days that's nothing for half a million dollars for half a million dollars and and god knows what else yeah i mean and she was pillaging unbelievable and i'm sure who knows if he had safes with cash and like that the kids didn't know right she she took that like crazy now at this point 1996 naposki you think things are looking bad.

Guess what reconstitutes itself? Oh, no. The World Football League. Oh, no. He signs with Barcelona Dragons in 1996. He's playing football again. He pulls that out of his ass, right? Unbelievable.

Unbelievable, right? And he's doing well. He has great seasons over there. It's nuts. So he's over there. In 97, they win the World Bowl title. They win the World League title. He's got a ring's nuts so he's over there 97 they win the world bowl title they win the world league title he's got a ring yeah he's got a ring and he was like one of the main cogs of the team i think he had 16 sacks one year over there jesus he's killing it

he's just had a great time in barcelona did awesome uh she gets out of jail after her time in 96 and begins dating immediately obviously because you need someone to pay the bills. She marries John Packard, who, guess what? Another wealthy businessman. What? Another wealthy businessman. He lines right up. How did she figure out how to have a story about being in prison? Unbelievable.

Well, it turns out, well, that's the thing. Packard knew about this, too. That's the other thing. Wow, he's a dope. Yeah. She gets pregnant right away yep uh says you're gonna lock this down that's how you make sure to get paid as you get to have a child they divorce very soon after that oh boy so i don't know if he didn't have

enough money for her uh this point 97 uh after barcelona there in 97 he joins the new haven university of new haven football team coaching staff Eric Naposki. Naposki's coaching now. He's coaching now. I mean so this shit's behind them. Yeah. At this point. They've outrun it.

He's coaching. He's moved across the country. He's won a world fucking whatever a minor league football title in a European country. You know she's got another husband and a baby. I mean that's just old news. Like that was quite the chapter, huh? Wow. So at this point, they're divorced.

What does she do? Finds another wealthy entrepreneur. Jesus. Another one. Where does she find them all? Southern California. Yeah. There must be like one bar they all go to, and she knows either that or that singles ad is powerful.

It is killing it. Powerful. That's killing it right there. Those notes. She's fantastic at writing notes on cars that she's amazing yeah notes boy yeah short notes she give her an ad she is a shakespeare with with three sentences she should do it she should be in advertising she really should it would be she really missed her calling she did one sentence she could sell anything so she marries this guy bill mcneil so there's another one of her names they have another child man that's a fourth kid now so i mean they have she has four kids now um eric moves

to connecticut he's got two kids of his own at this point so i mean he's got a couple of kids he's she's got another one of those kids completely forward they don't even think about it what death what death what bill mclaughlin murder that's? Right? I mean, who cares, right? That's what it is. He starts doing personal training back there. He does a bunch of like, if you look up Eric Naposki videos under videos on Google search,

you will see him doing like fitness videos. Really? He was in some workout, does workout videos because he's a big burly guy. He's training people. And he looks like he's like, you know, in his mid-late 30s

so you can try to sell it to guys who aren't like 22 you can still get big and ripped so he does he's got like Naposki something

or other Naposki shirts and Naposki hats I think it's for a company he's just like a model or whatever a guy who does it he tries to be an actor he's working for P90X

yeah exactly tries to be an actor goes back to Orange County out to California to film like kind of a sizzle reel, I guess, for something called Newport 40, which was described as a male version

of the Real Housewives of the OC. Awful. Sounds fucking terrible. I hate him. It's scripted reality. If you were rooting for him at all, I'm not now. I've seen videos, too. His character is the bad boy,

where they show him going, I don't really care what anybody says. And then like you know they yell cut and he'll be like is that okay am i right like is that cool and they're like dude you got to do it more like this and he's like all right let's try again try again it's the stupidest fucking thing ever like he can't act obviously he's a football player whatever so he's just a big jacked up douche and you know big dummy he him riding his Harley on the thing. They tried to make him like he's the cool whatever. So a little time goes by, 2004. Like I said, he's got a couple of kids. He opens a supplement store, EJ's Supplements in White Plains, New York.

I don't know where the J came from. Maybe that's his, I have no idea. Maybe he's a business partner. I don't know because his name's Eric Andrew Naposte. He's not a fucking J in his name. Not one. EJ's supplement in White Plains, New York, which is like north of the city there. Eric will get you jacked.

That's what it is. Eric will get you jacked. Eric's supplements. Come down and get some. Eric's jacked supplements. So at this point, that's 2004. Nanette at this point is known as a Bible-quoting Christian. No.

Found religion. Oh, what a bitch. You know there's trouble right around the corner right around the corner her days of being a free woman are numbered when she finds religion second that bible opened up boy the clock started ticking tick tock a detective opened up the cold case and blew the dust off it and said i i don't know why but i feel like i'm drawn to this case there's a pulse on this one still something going on i really need to get into here so uh yeah she's a bible touting quoting christian she lives like 30 minutes from newport still she's still in the osa she's still in orange county yeah sticking around the crime scene with her with mcneil there her new husband at this point in 2007 a detective named larry montgomery is put on this case i like

him he's an old timey yeah he said it's central casting basically from all the everything i read and i read a million articles and stories everything i read he's central casting old timey gruff detective they stick on a case and they're like shake this one and see if it's got some life in it and you know really see what it does and and he it's got some life in it. You know, really see what it does. And he'll go in and just beat it up and go, you know, old witnesses. They never followed this lead. They never followed this lead. That witness would happen to her. I'm going to go find her.

Shit like that. He does like serious, hardcore, cold case, movie style detective work. Montgomery is the name of somebody that does that kind of shit. Absolutely. Larry Montgomery. Right. Detective Larry Montgomery. He spends two years.

He's retired twice and he's coming back to triple dip. That's what it is. That's the thing. Yeah. He's like, what the hell? shit absolutely larry montgomery right detective larry montgomery he spends two years retired twice and he's coming back to triple dip that's the thing yeah he's like what the hell i got a couple of pensions i'll just fuck around with these and the prosecutor i believe mark murphy's his name the prosecutor wants this shit that he's he wants these two still this is 2007 we're 13 years ago at this point and now so he spends two years combing through the evidence. And what he says is really interesting about Naposki here. He says, quote, this is amazing. He says, quote, because this is like watching all the, because he has all the, you can also see some of his interrogation.

Oh, nice. I got to watch that. He says of him, quote, innocent people, when they're being accused of something, are very powerful with their statements of innocence. So when I first was looking at it, I said, boy, Mr. Naposki sounds innocent. In greater detail, when you look and see the lies that he's very powerful and positive about, and then it just turns out they're lies, you see he just has that ability. He's a good liar. At first I was like, yeah, he might be innocent.

Then I went, no, no, he's really good at being full of shit. That's all it is. He's just super full of shit never mind so it's so funny this is when it starts coming out here uh in 2009 uh by the way 2009 ej supplements fails too so now business has failed and now on may, 2009, they arrest both of them. Nice. Naposki in Connecticut, in Greenwich, Connecticut, and Nanette in her home in California at the same time. They arrest them both.

They bring them in. They're extraditing his ass back to California with the quickness. Her husband at this point, William McNeil, had no clue that this was ever even a thing. Never heard of Bill McLaughlin. Didn't know she was a murder suspect. Didn't know shit about shit. I'm sorry, asshole, but this is in 2009.

Google someone. Google your wife. Check this woman out. If you Google search Nanette, any of those names, you'll get a bunch of shit that says there was a lot of articles in 1994, 1995 about this. Also, too, she went to jail. There's articles about that. You know, millionaire's suspect wife goes to jail for embezzlement.

Was the Dateline episode prior to that, too? That would be awesome. Oh, there's no, no, no. If she's like sitting on the couch with him on a Friday night with a bowl of popcorn. That would be amazing. And Dateline starts to come out. Let's watch something else. I don't like this show.

I don't want to watch this. Let's not do this. Let's not do this at all. I hate this show. So this poor bastard, man. I mean, this guy. Naposki, of his arrest, I find it funny because he says he's backing out of his driveway or he comes out of his house in Greenwich, Connecticut, which is a nice place. And he says there's four cop cars and they have you know assault rifles and

black jackets on and it's not like you know he was gonna start having a shootout with them this is from 15 years ago he's like hi what's up guy literally they're like get on the ground he's like how's it going like he has no clue why they're there i'm just on my way to go shutter ej's that was i'm not doing anything i gotta fail business i gotta go take care of is that bad i gotta go unload some fish pills you guys you guys want some fish oil it's the same as amoxicillin cheaper you can take it it's the same cranberry pills how are your kidneys scientifically so he's saying they're coming in his face with the salt rifles and saying get on the ground and he's going am i under arrest and they say yes for murder and he's like what the fuck like because literally he said he just didn't even think of

that that was so long ago he they said for murder and he was like murder what the hell that come from then he's like oh yeah that old man oh yeah a guy i shot six times fuck all right yeah okay i figured that might happen at some point i mean so you think about it at this point. I mean, Nanette, she's just got arrested. Yeah. She had a really good life. She's got four kids. Rich guys,

four kids that are now going to miss their mother. Now she's going to go to jail. You got Bill McLaughlin's dead. Pudding Boy, by the way, died in 2009. Oh, my God. Pudding Boy died

in the same year. Oh, no, Pudding Boy died in 1999. Poor Pudding Boy died. He's been dead for 10 years. Poor Pudding Boy. I'm sorry I didn't give you guys a Pudding Boy update and tell you when he died, but Pudding Boy was dead in 1999. Poor Pudding Boy died. He's been dead for 10 years. Poor Pudding Boy. I'm sorry I didn't give you guys a Pudding Boy update and tell you when he died. But Pudding Boy was dead

in 1999. The two girls don't have a father. The two grown daughters don't have a father. Now Eric Naposki has got two kids. Also two little kids that don't have a father. He's also married to a woman that's now divorcing him. I feel bad, Jimmy, for all of these people.

I feel so bad. But Jesus Christ, not even close to as bad as I feel for poor, poor, poor Eric Naposki. He's self-employed in the health, wellness, and fitness. Oh, no. How did he find that? No, in Richmond, Texas. No. Eric, you poor son of a bitch.

Oh, if you look up... Everybody thinks you're an ex-fucking football-playing murderer. Do you have any idea how deep I had to dig to get this Eric Naposki, Jimmy? It wasn't on page two. No.

It wasn't on page six. It wasn't on page nine, Jimmy. This shit was deep in the archives. At least they bury him. Whatever they did to Jesus when they stuck him in there, they put another rock in front for this shit, man. Rolled a fucking wheel rock in front. This poor son of a bitch.

I've never felt worse for anybody, except for maybe Arch Leaster, who was an investment guy. I was like, no, that poor bastard. He can't help it. This guy, though, this poor son of a poor bastard so matt murphy the prosecutor at this point going forward in this case boy this is the he's prosecuting everybody but starting with naposki he goes first he has never lost a murder case in his whole career so they're like and they're i saw interviews with like naposki's lawyers and they're like no it doesn't matter that's not he's not he's due for one he can't make up the facts right i mean that's

i don't care how good of a lawyer you are they're like no we're not afraid of him like come on it's so funny so he's due for a loss yeah he's due for a loss you know hey it's time the odds you know what i mean we're bound to work out in our favor so you don't win 18 games in a suit in a season and then get the Super Bowl, too. It doesn't happen. Hey, see what happened? Even Tom Brady, you know what I mean? So Naposki at this point has an opinion on this, and he says, in their own words,

quote, it's hard to get a fair trial 15 years later. Am I innocent? Absolutely. 100%. Can I prove it? I hope so. Can they prove I'm guilty? I don't think that's possible because I didn't do it. Can I prove it? He's turned into such an asshole. I don't know. I'm not sure yet. Do I prove it? I hope so. Can they prove I'm guilty? I don't think that's possible because I didn't do it.

He's turned into such an asshole. I don't know. I'm not sure yet. Do I have conversations with myself? Sometimes. All the time. He's that Kevin Nealon question asker guy. When he speaks of himself in the third person, too, he doesn't even call himself Eric or Eric Naposki. He calls himself Mr. Naposki. Oh, my God.

I swear to God. He's like, did Mr. Naposki do this? No, Mric naposki he calls himself mr naposki oh my god i swear to god he's like did mr naposki do this no mr naposki didn't you're like what a dipshit you are you own a failed supplement store you asshole stop saying that track of a nine millimeter you're not that smart so at this point it comes out in the trial of naposki comes out that like the week of the murder yeah she Nanette bought Naposki alligator boots

like some crazy expensive alligator boots and a motorcycle oh boy wouldn't they see good fellas yeah don't buy anything big fellas

don't get anything big don't go crazy yeah that's why the guy got killed because he brought the new Cadillac get your fucking shit together and he

you know he wore those gator boots while riding that bike. Johnny Rose Spieth had to die. I'm sorry. That's what happens. He put them on. He fired it up.

Think about it. I want to see the sizzle reel from the Newport 40. I want to see if he's wearing those alligator boots. And riding that motorcycle. And riding that motorcycle in the trailer. The motorcycle, they might have given him a cool looking one to ride

with the boots. Maybe those are his riding boots. I'm so curious. Absolutely. Anybody, guys, if there's any Hollywood people that might have access to a 15-year-old sizzle reel

of a failed reality show. I want to see those. Put it on mine for us, guys, because we need this shit. So it says basically, everybody says that Naposki is very animated during the trial. I saw some footage.

He makes faces. When he hears shit he doesn't like, he's like, you know, sighs and rolls his eyes. Makes facial expressions when he's just shaking his head when he disagrees with testimony, which honestly I would be doing too. Can you imagine me in a courtroom while they said shit that I didn't think was true? It's like you at an open mic when you hear a joke that you've heard 30 times. Yeah, and I'm like, shut the fuck up. You know that's not yours from the back of the room.

Yeah, oh God, Jesus. We are those assholes, aren't we? So, at this point here, he doesn't... Both the defense and the prosecutor also agree that Nanette was in this too. Yeah. They're both like... She has to be. Well, the defense is like, this wasn't us, this was Nanette. And the prosecutor's like, yeah, yeah, she was in it too. Yeah, we like because she has to be well the defense is like this wasn't us this was nanette and they're the prosecutor's like yeah she was in it too yeah we

believe you and her her too but you also so this isn't about her right now we're talking about your role mother yeah so it's so hard because they can't argue no it wasn't her it was him they're just like hey i know both of you shit how do we argue with that you're going to so the prosecutor this is a good one murphy says in his opening about Nanette, this is amazing. I love, this is the worst thing you could say here. She says, quote, if diabolical behavior was an Olympic sport, she'd be a gold medalist every year. She's a manipulator and an evil manipulator. Diabolical, I love that word. Diabolical behavior. That sounds, that's great. She is Dr. Evil in female form. That's awesome.

I love that. The Brits use diabolical all the time. It's a great fucking word. It's diabolical. And I'm like, that's amazing. That's a great word. She's a legit villain. I've totally stolen that, too.

I use that shit all the time now. I will, man. Like a bad setup for... That sound system's diabolical. You can't do that shit. I'll say it if the fucking grocery store shorts me change. This is diabolical. So they end up testing the bullets now from Mr. McLaughlin's chest cavity.

They test these bullets. They can't get the exact gun to it because they don't have Naposki's gun. But they know he had a 9mm Beretta and these bullets were shot by a 9mm Beretta so circumstantial there's a lot of

9mm Berettas but there's a shitload of 9mm's and this one had to be a Beretta so that's a coincidence with the key thing that he

you add all these things together this is a huge pile this is not like Adnan Syed with like well he's cell phone wrecked towers this is not that this is like i happen to pin him close by this is like everyone saw him like get ready do the thing get the gun out do the thing and then someone turned around to look at something during the shooting and said i couldn't see him shoot him

right exactly it's like that sort of all this shit happened though and it all piles up to him he's depending on that phone call that he said he made at 852 from Denny's, the white trash special there. They had the Grand Slam white trash special going on, or the phone call and a breakfast for 325. So he says that he no longer has the phone records because he thought this shit was over, so he threw his phone records out, which, that's honestly reasonable.

You wouldn't save that. I probably would, because I would say, just in case they try to convict me of murder, there's no statute of limitations on murder that might be framed on my yeah i might keep that right yeah so and i guess the company didn't keep them the call because you called with a calling card i guess the calling card company didn't keep the records that long either from 20 years ago some idiot they don't give a shit so and the cops apparently never requested them in 95 from the which they should have but a lot of times if they think it's somebody, they don't want to get evidence that might exonerate them.

Because then you have to turn that over. It's exculpatory. Otherwise you end up with a Brady violation. That guy goes free. And an undisclosed podcast that follows. A whole podcast, 18 different podcasts dedicated to freeing one Pakistani man so yeah so they never

requested them the phone records don't exist but the police so what they did was they were like okay they did a bunch of

trips from Denny's to the house could we get there and shoot this guy they reenacted it just like in serial again Sarah Koenig

did that route to Best Buy a hundred times so anyway they do the trip they say there's plenty of time to do it no problem at all you could easily get there and shoot the guy and be out of the house the defense attorneys of course did it and they said it was impossible there's no way to get there you would be 15 minutes late you get the 405 you get the fucking forget it it's impossible you get the toll roads so they so we have varying degrees from easy no problem problem, to impossible.

Can't do it. It's a mountain and we can't move it. Like I said, the keys are freshly cut, all that shit. Eric, at this point, they bring up something that he has a hard time also with. They find a notebook in his car. On one of the pages of the notebook upper right hand corner is bill's license plate number bill glofflin's license plate number written that's a problem and circled right that's a problem and they're like why would that happen yeah and his his attorneys when asked

about this later on are like it doesn't matter is that a little suspicious yeah fine does that mean he killed her no it's like but when you add it in with everything else it all adds up clearly watching the guy yeah he's clearly watching the guy um now eric doesn't take the stand during the trial too which he says later on he was stupid not to do he should have taken the stand but he shouldn't have because they would have brought out all of his nefarious horseshit here they would have ripped him apart yeah he has later on not in court obviously but later on he has an explanation for the plate number thing. He says that he was suspicious of Nanette

and what was going on with her and Bill and if the whole situation was really the way he said it was. Yeah. She said it was. So he had one of his friends follow her around and see what was going on. And the bus, he got the license plate number that way? And so he said his friend called and said,

no, neither of them left the house yet and gave them both plate numbers and that was bill's plate number all right that was his excuse the police uh got a hold of that friend who said i don't know what the fuck you're talking about that never happened so that's a complete load of shit that that's but he made that up he's a good he's a good liar according to larry that's a great story it's a great story it makes sense you go all right well i could see, no, that didn't happen. Okay. He says shit that's plausible and then when you see the actual evidence of things,

you go, no, no, no. None of that's true at all. These people, and her too, they're perfect for each other, these two. They really should be. Perfect murderers. July 14th, 2011, the verdict comes in. The jury took seven hours.

This is a three-week trial. It was a long trial. Three weeks, 28 witnesses, which is a shitload. Wow. 240 exhibits. So this is a trial. It's deep. This is involved.

You know how long it took them to convict him? Seven hours. Wow. They came back and said, get the fuck out of here. Felony murder, you asshole. Wow. Gone. So, yeah.

You took three weeks of our lives away to deal with this shit. Yeah. We're going to give you seven hours to convict your punk ass. Seven hours, you dickhead. They all got in there. Like we said, that was just to, like, order lunch and shit, like in the other. Yeah. They ordered lunch.

They were like, all right, let's send him away. Let's get a salad. Everybody want some cold cuts? No. In their own. This is prosciutto I've been hearing about. So, on the conviction, in their own words here from Eric DeCoste on the conviction, he's, you know, what? What happened?

He's just, in their own words, quote, Shocked. Quote, on evidence, not suspicion, not lies that you told the police, not Nat Murphy's closing statement. Obviously there was no plot. If there was a plot, then you would have found me 15 years later in the Nets' house. If we accomplished our goal and nobody got arrested, why did I leave in the first place?

Because you realized you were with a snake woman. A psychopath. A psychopath. And also, too, she probably didn't have any more use for you anymore. She has her money and you killed her, but what the any more use for you anymore she has her money and her you killed her but what the fuck does she need you for how about why does a murder just keep you together forever yeah i haven't murdered anybody with my life i'm still with her yeah you're still you're fine maybe you should maybe that'll strengthen

strengthen the bond anytime there's trouble jimmy i think that's what a therapist would tell you give her a call maybe you should like you should kill a hobo together. Go up, take turns, and just kill him. I think it'll bond you two together. Don't forget going to pottery classes and making a pot together to bond. It's blood. Blood is what bonds. You must spill blood.

You need to spill blood in the streets. Of somebody that has a lot of money, and take their money. That's how it does it. That'll work, too. So that's what he says is the reason take their money. That's how it does it. That'll work too. So that's what he says is the reason they're not together? If we killed them, we'd still be together.

We'd still be together. No, you wouldn't be. Relationship's still sour because you both draw air and you're both crazy. He still wasn't a wealthy entrepreneur and that's who she married more of. Right.

So that's the other problem. That's a good point. You don't have any fucking money, moron. You don't have any money, dipshit. Yeah, I needed you. I fucked you for a while so you'd shoot this guy, moron. Now I'm going to marry

a real person who's rich and can take care of me. Enjoy your supplement store, douchebag. Go supplement. So sentencing on this is delayed for about a year

so the prosecutors can try to flip Naposki against the net and give him a better sentence. Good strategy. It's a good sentence, but he never flips. Really?

He never flips. He says, it's so funny because he'd have to admit his own guilt if he said it was her. So he says, I think she did it, just I didn't have anything to do with it. So if you say, did you think he did it? She did it? He'll go, yeah, I think she had something to do with it. How did it happen? I don't know.

It's not my thing. I wasn't there. She dropped me off and that was that. I don't know. Maybe she did it herself. Maybe she hired a guy. No clue. I don't know.

I'm going to do life instead. Yeah. know maybe she did it herself maybe she hired a guy no clue i don't know i'm gonna do life instead yeah so at this point um this is this is fucking wonderful uh he is he is sentenced to say it with me jimmy life without the possibility of parole that possibility none you sir may fuck off may fuck off and keep fucking off and forever i'll get the binoculars i still want to see you fucking off keep on going pal life without parole so this is obviously jesus christ and so now the now nanette style trial starts really i had to wait for that and that's trial starts here she is So they had to wait for that. Nanette's trial starts here. She starts here. Now, Bill's daughter, Kim, at this point says, we always thought she was a gold digger, but we didn't think she was evil enough to kill someone.

Which makes a lot of sense, right? Pre-trial, the attorney for her, Mick Hill is his name, said she didn't do it. Naposki did it alone. There's no doubt he did the shooting. The question is why. I think it was jealousy that he wanted to net off for himself my client would never leave mclaughlin for a deadbeat loser like him she's like i'll insult him now he also said mick hill about her in court quote nanette is a cheater a thief but not a killer which is all i guess's shit you can't deny. She's a whore and a cunt.

She didn't do it. She didn't do anything. So she tried to look all stoic and too. She wore her hair and a braid and all that. She pulled the Jodi Arias horse shit.

That's been a card they've been playing forever. And everybody in court. And it looked like a librarian every day. Yeah, yeah. It's ridiculous. She said she just

paid attention. It was very stoic. She did the exact thing you're supposed to do as a defendant. Just sit there and look alert and not retarded. Not too crazy, like

making faces and all that shit. Don't grit your teeth every time they say his name. Exactly. This trial, Kevin Johnston testifies in this trial. Oh, nice! Yeah, we bring him back. Said that she cheated on him all the time. Told the Ted BMW story, the BMW for writing Ted story.

The defense attorney asked, McHill said, did her relationship writing Ted story. The defense attorney asked, Mick Hill said, did her relationship with Ted last long? And he answered, quote, well, she was cheating on him with another guy. She was penning letters all over town. Absolutely.

So Hill asked, you kept a file on all her shenanigans? Johnston said, this is great. Quote, I wouldn't come close to saying that was all of them. In other words, I have no clue what that fucking whore was up to

there was a lot of dicks in there a lot so he testifies that she left the soccer field at 8.20 that night with Naposki

left super early said they seemed to be in a big hurry to leave didn't even stay for the trophy presentation they got murders

to do and she's got a shop you know how it goes also testifies about the call the next day where she says I have an alibi and don't tell a shop you know it goes also testifies that about the call the next day where she says i have an alibi and don't tell you eric was involved in all that shit um huge shocker he didn't take her advice he brought him up yeah yeah yeah no he was like oh no no it's

it's fucking so huge shocker may 19th guess what she's convicted of murder are you shocked oh boy are you surprised shocked she's so surprised this is 2000 2012 convicted of murder. Are you shocked? Oh, boy. Are you surprised? So shocked. So surprised. This is 2012 convicted of murder at this point. Done deal. Wrapped up. Done deal. Let's just go right to sentencing. Murder one, right? Let's just go right to sentencing.

This is, yes, special circumstances murder. Oh, shit. This is so you can get either death penalty or possibility without possibility of parole. That's all they're choosing. For financial gain. Yeah. Yeah, there you go. They're saying we got you dead to rights. It's over,'re choosing. For financial gain. Yeah. Yeah, they're saying,

we got you dead to rights. It's over, bitch. Yeah, this is amazing here. Oh, by the way, too, one thing Naposki did, and one thing with him that was a pussy move, when they did the victim impact statements, he refused to come in the court for that.

Oh, what a puss. What a puss. For real. And the prosecutor called him a huge coward and card knowledge shit. Instead, he yelled from the holding cell about, like, that he would okay for the arraignment or whatever the fuck it was. He's a total douchebag.

I don't want to hear what his family has to say. I'm out of here. So, now, for Nanette's sentencing, I'm not even going to give the judges thing. I'm going to give McLaughlin's daughter. Yes. Because this is perfect. This is perfect. She said it's short and it's sweet and it's perfect.

She said, quote, Your life has been a complete and utter waste. You're an abomination. You, ma'am, may fuck off. Life without the possibility of parole. She gave her a fucking Bible quote. She did. That's awesome. You are an abomination.

Like, just a mismade object of God. That's what she called her. Completely dismissed. Just completely dismissed. Beautiful, man. So, Nanette, in 2013, she appeals this. What? On grounds that the 15-year delay in prosecution violated her constitutional rights.

She said she could not help in her defense because she could not gather evidence. She can't get a fair trial. She said that phone records that were destroyed because naposki's phone records that would have exonerated her were destroyed because of the time that went by and if she had those records she'd be fine judge said basically um doesn't really matter the prosecution did it you he could have done it anyway it doesn't matter if you made the phone call right we still think you fucking killed her right sorry phone call doesn't matter if you made the phone call we still think you fucking killed everybody phone call doesn't matter to me

so a book comes out at this point it's by a woman named Caitlin Rother it's called I'll Take Care of You and it's one of these I call it like true crime for middle aged women basically where it's like the love triangle it's a lifetime movie on paper

basically they wrote a couple of books like that that were, you know, whatever. Did they make her out to be a bitch in them? I hope so. Yeah, they did, but it was just very salacious.

It was very stuck on the love triangle and the scandal and it wasn't so much the fact that she's a bitch. The fact that this shit that we have in front of us. She's a snake

and Eric Naposki's dumb as fuck. So thankfully, February 3rd, 2014, her appeal is denied. Good. Judge said, like I said, wouldn't have mattered. Eat shit.

You may continue to keep on fucking off for, oh, forever. Until you croak. Have a good one, lady. She's gone now. Now, Naposki, March 9th, 2016, this is recently, this is still not resolved.

He files an appeal also. He is saying he is innocent. He's saying he knows who the real killer is. Oh, shit. He said it's this Hollywood producer guy who sells Coke and is crazy. Sounds legit until you start calling the guy. Yeah. He had a thing that Nanette was hooking up with him,

and then he had a beef with McLaughlin. He made up this whole horse shit, right? So he files an appeal saying that the judge in the first case, that Nanette was hooking up with him and then he had a beef with McLaughlin. He made up this whole horse shit, right? So he files an appeal saying that the judge in the first case, William Froberg, made faulty rulings and allowed a juror to stay on the panel that called Naposki, quote, creepy. Which, you've seen him in court. He looks creepy as shit.

He's a bald, creepy guy. He's clammy, his skin's all gray. Yeah, they're probably afraid of him physically. You are creepy, sir. Totally. So they also said that they can use Pacific Bell, the phone company's records, to prove that there was a call made at 852 from the Denny's that night, which no one gives a fuck about.

This Denny's call, goddammit, Naposki, you asshole. So that's still going on. He has a quote about the whole thing. Let's wrap this up with one little more thing. Let's wrap up the story with a quote from Eric Naposki in their own words. Quote, I had a beautiful life. All that I am guilty of is having the wrong girlfriend. She threw me under the bus.

We're not talking about OJ's case, DNA, shoe prints, bloody glove at the scene. I had none of that stuff. I know I'm up the river without a paddle but I guarantee I'm walking out of here one day he is really positive about this shit I'm not OJ listen man OJ got off bro

don't compare yourself to him you should have been a better football player that could afford better lawyers and maybe you wouldn't be in the situation you're in maybe if you had a Heisman trophy and a couple of rushing records you'd be fucking been in the naked gun bro that's your fault exactly do some leslie nielsen pictures and they get back to us so naposki is serving his time at the high desert state prison in california and you know where nanette is she is at chow chilla women's facility with our girl sally mcneil i told you it'd come for a full circle

i told you it would come full circle and she's technically a mcneil they're the mcneil girls yeah i wonder if they call her fucking mustang nanette also amazing gotta listen to that episode and also too if you are a wealthy man oh yes who's looking for looking for a nice woman to converse with and send letters with. She knows the Bible back to front. Knows the Bible. You can meet Nanette Packard on meetaninmate.com, guys. Meetaninmate.com. It's Nanette Packard, number W-E, as in Eric Neposki.

as in Eric Naposki. W-E-4-5-5-9 Central California Women's Facility P.O. Box 1508 Chowchilla, California 93610 Fantastic.

Holy shit. Please, please write to her, people. Holy fuck. This is amazing. Friend her and call her a cunt. Friend her and call her a cunt. And friend the poor

non-Eric Naposki Eric Naposki. I'm going to find that fucker on Facebook. And say, dude, you're aoski, Eric Naposki. I'm going to find that fucker on Facebook. And say, dude, you're a good guy. I'm so sorry.

I'm sorry, brother. I'm sorry for this horrible podcast we did about the guy The guy that shares a name with you is a cunt. Holy shit.

Was that a story or was that a tale, bro? That's a salacious story. That was one of those where I'm like, oh my God. I didn't have any idea this was this crazy.

Unbelievable. That's Eric naposki and nanette packard mcneil johnston your asshole fucking whatever the hell all of them wrapped up into one rest in peace mclaughlin rest in peace rest in peace pudding boy thanks for what you brought us in terms of inventions too you know what pudding boy at heart he tried to call 911 he tried he tried to wrestle through life he He did. It just didn't happen for him. He gave it a shot. He gave it a shot. So anyway,

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