Crime in Sports - #291 - Bleaching Away The Rough Spots - The Inflammableness of Terrell "T-Sizzle" Suggs

Episode Date: February 15, 2022

This week, we check out a very successful NFL player, who has a history of doing some dumb, and some just plain strange things, over the last 20 years. A brawl before the draft, an absolutely awful driving record, and some seriously wild accusations at home. He's been accused of hitting, throwing bleach on, and even dragging a woman from a car. Then, he got married to that woman. His off the field activities are as crazy as his on the field activities are successful. A huge, arcing mess!! Be a legendary NFL champion, pour bleach on people who live in your home, and then make a movie about it with Terrell "T-Sizzle" Suggs!! Check us out, every Tuesday! !We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!  Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail]  Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurder See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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holding your first born child wow well he's got some interesting things with his first and second born children. He's got a lot of stuff going on, Terrell. He was on yesterday. I didn't even notice it. But that's good. So he's getting a lot of love. Getting a little pub, yeah. He's getting this.

A little good, a little bad. Sorry about that. So it's Terrell Raymond Suggs. R-A-M-O-N-N is his middle name. Raymond, not Raymond. Not Raymond. Raymond. Nickname, of course.

Everybody, this is the dumbest nickname in sports, I think. T-Sizzle. Sizzle. So apparently he got that from a cousin of his. An older cousin, they called him that when he played basketball, and he passed it on to Terrell. Like, well, I'm done with the ball, so it's time to pass my T-Sizzle moniker down to you. Everyone, henceforth, Terrell shall be known as T-Sizzle. Let it be known.

And then it passed throughout the land. That's how it worked. In 2005, I thought that was the coolest nickname. He's like, I'may wizzle what's up although t sizzle sounds like a very fast man's name yeah and then you see how fucking not he's just a big he's big he doesn't look like he's fast for what he does he's fast yeah it's not i mean he's not saying bolt no if i put on pounds, I don't think I could run that fast. He's still-

The worst grill in football. That's the truth. That's the truth. He's born October 11th, 1982. I don't know why I thought he was a little older, but I guess not. It makes sense where he was. He's born in Minneapolis. Is that right?

Yeah. I think him and Prince are the only two black guys born in Minneapolis. Is that right? Yeah, I think him and Prince are the only two black guys born in Minneapolis, probably. I don't even know if Prince was born in Minneapolis. I don't know if he was. He just loves it.

And I feel like they've scrubbed the records and made it so Kirby Puckett was also born in Minneapolis. If you look it up, no matter where he was born, it says Minneapolis. That's it.

And he, this is something, again, i didn't know sugs is jewish is that right part of part jewish his paternal grandfather is jewish okay so your mom's got to be jewish for you to be for you to be officially jewish but you can convert to judaism yeah yeah whatever but he uh yeah he wasn't like raised super jew or anything, but he has a in 2009. He got a Star of David tattooed on his right arm, which he says he got to, quote, remind me of who I am. And he wears a Star of David necklace, too. OK, so, yeah, I mean, it's fine, but it looks weird. It's you don't expect to see outwardly.

It feels a little if you talk about Jewish athletes and you're like, yes, you got Sandy Koufax and Hank Greenberg. You can go down the see. Outwardly, it feels a little awkward. If you talk about Jewish athletes and you're like, yes, you got Sandy Koufax and Hank Greenberg. You can go down the list. Sean Green. There's a lot of them. But you wouldn't go Terrell Suggs. Obviously, T. Sizzle. Obviously, T. Sizzle you throw in the mix.

It's just not your first thing you think of. Now, he grows up in St. Paul. He's a really good athlete all around. And he's a big good athlete all around and he's a big son of a bitch so i mean we his goddamn thighs are the size of your chest it's they're big he's a big guy and a great athlete too and he uh so he's good at all sports he he's a center in youth football yeah because he's the biggest fucking guy there. He's big, and also center has to be smart in no plays.

The kids who understand and process football at a young age, those are the ones they put at the positions where they need to know shit, and so he must have been smart at least to football. The quarterback that he was snapping to was Joe Maurer. Joe Maurer played

in the majors for 15 years one of the baseball won an mvp yeah for the twins he's a twins catcher yeah forever yeah he's uh like one of the twins legends it's like you know it's kirby puckett and and harman killebrew and you know uh burt blylevin maybe i don't know who else they put k Kent Herbeck in there. Dan Gladden. Going deep. Going deep. God damn it. Gary Gaiety could run for mayor tomorrow.

Tomorrow. He's winning. I think Larry Fitzgerald was born there, too. Was he? I didn't know that. He was a ball boy for the Vikings for a very, very long time. That's why he wanted to play football was because of that. Okay.

There's a lot of athletes that were. Yeah. That came from that area, I guess. No, no, no. That's why he wanted to play football was because of that. Okay. There's a lot of athletes that were. Yeah. That were. Came from that area. Worked as kids. No, no, no. That worked like on the sidelines as kids. Yeah. That's a good point.

I've seen that a lot actually. A lot of quarterbacks did that. Yeah. And then also MC Hammer. Played nothing but did something. But he's too legit to quit, man. He is very much too legit. So his mom's name is Laverne, and his dad's name is Donald.

And yeah, that's how he grows up. He's the second cousin of Larry Suggs, who is the father of Jalen Suggs, who is on the Orlando Magic. So there you go. And that kid's good. That's, I mean, there's a lot. It's athletic in this family. And there's another one in, I don't know if he's high school or college right now, unbelievable kid.

Really, really good. See, this family's producing athletes. Stock. So in high school, they moved to Arizona after the eighth grade, so for high school. No shit. Yeah, which is like, my mom moved out before the eighth grade. His family moved out after the eighth grade his family moved out after the eighth grade did he go to chandler well as a teenager first he started at chandler

and then he transferred to hamilton high school and he's the start of that school being holy shit dominant in that entire state is that do you know about arizona local high school football i i i have i happen to know a little bit why hamilton is just unbelievable they dominate they win state it's it's in chandler oh it's in chandler it or maybe gilbert either way it's in east valley who cares it dominates state and then uh nationally it's it's close they do very very well they're number one in fucking everything in arizona it's one of those okay um now terrell very popular player. Not a defensive player in high school, by the way.

Running back. Holy fuck. Can you imagine? Tackle that guy. That's why. That's why they're so good. Yeah. Tackle him.

Good luck. I'll bet you they're scouting. When you're 16 years old. They've got to be scouting. What do you mean? Because they got him from Chandler High. They're certainly scouting. Any football powerhouse school, it's not like...

It's one thing if a kid happened to go there who's the best quarterback in a generation, and he takes them to whatever. But if they're always good, we think just... They're scouting their asses off. That neighborhood produces good kids. No, they're scouting. The water around here, really. The kids grow big and strong and fast.

It's really weird. And with football acumen. Chandler has become quickly very strangely populated with people. Stop it strangely. It's strangely populated. Over. That's it. Done.

You went too far. With people that have lots of expensive toys. Really? Lots of them. There are giant boats and big old cars and motorcycles that are customized like crazy. It's bizarre. And they live in a particle board box in the desert. They live in that. Yeah.

Chicken wire wrapped fucking plywood. That's an Arizona house. It's bizarre. They're like a million dollars I'll pay for that. What do I get? An eighth of an acre of fucking barren desert? With that on it? Perfect.

Done. One million two. Sorry, I didn't know about the land. It's insane. It is. Terrell, always known as a good teammate. All of his teammates love him. He's one of these guys that he's a team leader always.

They always love him. And here's an anecdote from high school that I found from a newspaper when he was in high school talking about him. There's a lot of coverage of him in high school. Yeah. Arizona. Yeah, they pumped him pretty hard. And they did. Why they kept him.

I guess. Yeah. Well, they said at one point he would like there was a big game and he said he was going to take all all of his offensive line and stuff out for a meal after the game. And he said, quote, guys, no matter how good or bad I play, on Thursday we're going out to eat. And he shelled out $60. I mean, it's not. Yeah, they weren't going to sitting down at somewhere fancy, but, you know, Taco Bell, whatever. So he thought it was good.

He said, quote, it's worth it. It's worth it. He worked at a video store on the side. Yeah. Blockbuster earn extra money. And yeah, he says that his mom works two jobs. So she didn't have a lot of money to give him. And he said, quote, I work mainly to help my mom.

So I had to ask her if it was OK to spend the $60 to take it out. He's very close to his mom, too. His mom comes to a lot of his football games and all of his court appearances, so that's close, Jimmy. I'm dead serious, too. That's close. The end of every article is, and Laverne was crying in the back of the courtroom, and Terrell hugged her and said, it's okay, mom.

I'm sorry, mom. I got away with it again. It's fine. No, no. It's very silver around. It's okay. So, um, yeah, he thought it was good though. He thought it was a nice thing to do for his teammates and to build camaraderie and to make them want to block for him. You know, he, uh, transfers and he said, quote to the Hamilton, he said, quote, transferring was the best thing for me academically. If I had stayed at Chandler, I wouldn't graduate this year. Now I'm going to graduate on time, and I'm getting high scores.

Wait, what? If I stayed there, they were going to make me do work and, like, the real things. Here. They bullshit everything, and I make it through. It was pretty wild. This kid that weighs, like, 100 pounds came over, and he did all my make it through. It was pretty wild. This kid that weighs like 100 pounds came over and he did all my work for me. It was excellent. What do you want to vet when Hamilton read that?

They were like, why did you say that? Why did you say that? You couldn't cut it there, but here you're getting high scores and you're going to pull it off? Don't say that. God damn. Tell the other football kids from other schools that, not the paper. God damn it. That sounds illegal, doesn't it?

I mean, it doesn't sound... Because Hamilton's not a charter school. I guess they can say their teaching is so much better that he's understanding things more. I guess, what else are you going to say? Maybe, but if they can give him the credits, then the other school should be able to also, because it's a public school. How is their credit heavier than Chandler's credit credit whatever the fuck he's gotta do probably the football coach might have a little more pull maybe possibly at hamilton in 1998 he can do science one and two

and three and four at the exact same time roll them up, Jimmy. Roll them up. Wow. He said, they have classes here that will help me on my SATs so I can go to college. Yeah. Classes. I mean, guys. Yeah. Because your SAT scores are what's going to get you into college, not your insane football acumen.

And at this point, they're already recruiting him. So you need to just get whatever that minimum is that the college is required for. He was heavily recruited. I remember it remember the fucking news he yeah absolutely he says that uh he he said quote i was playing but i wasn't getting the ball that much at chandler he said the most i carried the ball was six eight times last friday i carried the ball 38 times that's like oj simpson in the 70s that's that's crazy 38 times acres did not carry it 38 times no one carries the ball 38 times that's an old school like the 1990 giants would give it to otis anderson 38 times to try to have like a you know 48 minute time of possession for

the game unbelievable he said leaving uh really was the best thing for me playing wise. So and his head coach there said, quote, I've been a head coach for 17 years and I've never had a young man as talented as he is. He's very intelligent and athletically smart, too. And remember, he's only 16. He's very young. I get to keep him for two more years. I get him. Well, I think he he's got three brothers. He's the middle brother I get to keep him for two more years. I get him. Well, I think he's got three brothers.

He's the middle brother, by the way. I think he was – I'm not sure how that worked exactly where he went and when. He says he's – they're saying he's 6'3", and he's saying he's 6'5". So I don't know what – He's 6'3". Which one it is. Maybe he's 6'4", and we'll split the difference. But he's 235 pounds at that point.

That's a big guy. He said about he had a game where he had four touchdowns in high school. And he said, my mom didn't get to see me run for my four touchdowns. She had to work. I was asleep when she came home. So she found out about it in the paper. She was so happy. She called Chicago.

She called everybody. She called all around telling proud here um he's a really like a good kid in high school from what i gather there's no shenanigans for him outside there's no or at least it wasn't written up in the paper that's the thing about arizona you can do shit quietly there that's true it's it's a weird it's kind of an open thing and you are allowed to kind of they don't really publicize that stuff. And they're not really, I don't know if they're looking to. I don't know that they care.

It's kind of like a drama-less community. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Unless it's something that's insane. That's the thing. Yeah. They like to scandal crazy shit, but a kid selling weed doesn't matter. Yeah, some kid who gets drunk at desert parties in Chandler or something.

It's not a big deal. I don't know if they give a shit about it. But a kid selling weed doesn't matter. Yeah, some kid who gets drunk at desert parties in Chandler or something. It's not a big deal. I don't know if they give a shit about it. But he's not into like, I mean, he might drink beer at a party or something, but he's not like a crime kid. He's not rolling around with some of these kids. Stealing things. Yeah. Some of the athletes we've talked about, they were doing crazy shit.

Yeah, and playing very well at the same time. But this is a different thing here. He said there was a cousin of his when he was 16 who died yeah um his cousin he said it was a close cousin of his he said but uh his cousin's dad was a was a gangster in chicago and um this kid kind of idolized that his cousin and he said that he was uh his cousin was murdered in 1998 by the way so there you go he said the last time he talked to him was his he told his cousin that if he makes the nba because basketball was his main concern at the time if he makes the nba he's gonna buy him a car yeah and uh the cousin told him that ah fuck that just get me a pound of weed i'll turn that into all this shit and he was like my own car

you're not really thinking about this right he said he didn't really get to talk to him anymore after that and then he was killed so he was like that was a sad thing for him he set the arizona class 5a record for rushing yards in a game holy shit against yuma with 367 yards in a game holy shit that's a lot of yards 367 that's a lot that's like a quarterback's passing numbers that's a lot of yards and a good game yeah that's a great game for tom 367 that's a lot that's like a quarterback's passing numbers that's a lot of yards and a good game yeah that's a great game for tom brady that's yeah that's silly so that's just running people over he was um he was also good on the defense but everybody identified him as a running back because his senior season he rushed for 2274 yards in high school like 10 games holy shit and 26 touchdowns unbelievable that is silly that's just silly that's a man who's playing with children he is putting up 21 points on the board

every game he's putting up like two good nfl seasons in one year of high school the numbers for two good at solid nfl seasons he's doing that one year of high school in like 10, 11 games, wherever they play in high school. It's not 16 games. It's a fantasy football stud. Oh, that's insanity, man. As a senior, he was named a Parade High School All-American and Gatorade Arizona Player of the Year.

And the number one, what the hell? Super Prep Magazine named him the number one athlete in the nation. Arizona Player of the Year by USA Today. And an All-American by USA Today as well. And he's ranked the 60th best player in the nation by the Sporting News. Not too shabby. Not bad. It's pretty goddamn good.

From Arizona? And he also lettered three times in basketball and once in track as well. Jesus. So dude can fucking play stuff. He's just a stud athlete. Athlete. There's no doubt about it. He's a man.

It's awesome. And smart guy, too, from what everybody says. He's a pretty bright guy. So Arizona State he chooses out of everything. And he's staying home, which I don't know, man. It's not always. But the guys that stay home like that, I don't like that mentality. I think just from the information that I've heard so far,

I believe that was strictly based on mom can come to the games. That's possible. That's it. No, that's nice, actually, if you're doing that. Okay, mom can come to the games. A hundred percent. I guarantee that was the biggest key to this puzzle. He also went to U of A and checked that out.

Too far of a drive. That's what I mean. It's a two-hour drive. That's miserable. You don't want to send your mother to Tucson. No. No, you don't want to send anyone to Tucson. Once a week?

Never. Jesus. Never. She'll only go to Tucson when ASU plays them. Yeah, and even then, it's like, maybe you skip that game. It's pretty gross down there. It's gross, and it's a long drive. It's bad stuff.

So in 2000, he's really good. I mean, it's just fucking silly. He's setting sack records and all this shit. He's tearing it up, man. He plays in 11 games right off the bat in 2000 as a freshman. Wow. And it's like a real freshman, too, which doesn't happen very often. He decides to go there.

Bruce Snyder is there as the coach, and he's interested. So he finishes his, when he goes to college, his college career is 163 tackles. Yeah. And a career record 65 and a half tackles for a loss wow which is getting the backfield whether it's a sack or getting the running back 44 sacks wow also he had which is very silly in 2002 he set an ncaa single season record with 24 sacks yeah that's a lot of so they switched him in college from running back to linebacker. Yeah.

They saw him and they were like, you can't do that. You can either be a blocking fullback. Right. That sounds fun, right? Right. Or you can try to kill people all day. You can cause mass havoc in the backfield at all times. Well, we'd rather you do that.

Yeah. That would be better. So he also had two interceptions three fumble recoveries 14 forced fumbles and nine passes deflected he was so good just you that side of the field just don't go there don't go he's over there it's gonna just leave him alone that's a beast man and the scouts were everywhere too like all over him people were i mean he was getting to be one game he had four and a half sacks and there was like a shitload of scouts there watching him so it was a it was a lot people were really uh big day really really impressed with him there he had uh 17 and a half

sacks here uh which tied him with dwight freeney. And then with Freeney, those were unofficial because they didn't... They didn't do half sacks? They didn't start doing sacks in the NCAA, officially counting them until 2000. They were always counted in Sears the stats, but they're not in the actual record books. Like in the NFL, it's the same thing. They used to say

how many they had, but they didn't start until 82. Which is crazy, right? It's ridiculous. Isn't it insane that they didn't count them? It's wild. Basketball used to say how many they had but they didn't start until 82 which is crazy right it's ridiculous it's insane that they didn't count them it's wild the basketball used to have a lot of stats too that they didn't keep it's weird they didn't keep offensive and defensive rebounds it was just total rebounds in the 60s so it was like the aba was the first league to get better stats because the nba was like rebounds are fine The offensive rebound is so much harder to get. It counts a lot for a lot more, too. It's a lot more valuable. It wasn't good for evaluation. The stats they kept.

And a sack is fucking incredible. A sack is amazing. It stops the whole game. It's insane that it can happen. It stops the whole game. It's the football equivalent. Football is a couple. They have a long run, a long pass, or a sack or a pick.

Those are your home run equivalents. Everyone goes, oh, shit, and stands up and watches. And the achievement of getting it is like, how did you do that? You had a man. As bad as you wanted the quarterback, a man wanted you to not get the quarterback just as much. Yeah. And you beat him. That's the shit.

It's wild, right? And that guy didn't have anybody block him. He could just run away from you. And you still caught him. You still caught him. It's incredible. right? And that guy didn't have anybody block him. He could just run away from you, and you still caught him. You still caught him. It's incredible. And he's smaller than you. Right.

He should be able to run away. It weighs less, usually. It's incredible. So Archuleta, Adam Archuleta, who played for years and years in the NFL, he is a teammate at ASU. He said about Terrell, I always knew he was going to be something special. He was just scratching the surface when I got a chance to play with him so he there's a trip he talks about and this i don't know if i believe this this kind of this sounds like one of those good publicity stories that they put out before the draft to show a kid's like a good humble kid yeah and i don't

believe anything is this the story from mexico i know this is vegas okay i don't believe any good or bad publicity within a month of the draft of anybody yeah if they say he killed his grandmother i don't buy it if they say he just helped a bus full of overturned special needs children to safety and then it exploded i don't believe that either yeah there's nothing i believe what mexico are you talking about i don't know if I know this. I know a guy named Adam Archuleta, matter of fact, that went to Mexico with him.

Safety for the Rams? No, it's an entirely different Adam Archuleta. That's how you made that face. I was like, what the fuck? Why are they interviewing this guy? He does not play. He played high school football with T. Sizzle, and they went to Mexico,

and I have heard the story 30 times and cannot, for the life of me right now, remember how it all ended. But it was fisticuffs, and I believe T-Sizzle was throwing men off of Adam and the teammates in a bar in Mexico. And nobody got arrested. That's the thing. Terrell will throw hands. Yes. He's a fighting son of a bitch. He's not mine. He's throw hands. Yes. He's a fighting son of a bitch. He's not mine.

He's a tough bastard. He is. He's a big son of a bitch. And football players, these guys, I mean, think about how much contact they have on a daily basis. They're in practice, constant. They're constantly contact. Guys are popping them in the head, all this shit. Like, normal people don't get, your body doesn't get jarred like that very often.

So those guys, any kind of combat means nothing to them. all this shit like normal people don't get your body doesn't get jarred like that very often so those guys any kind of combat means nothing to them right they do this every fucking day what are you gonna do slam them down fine i fall down a hundred times a day i don't give a shit that's fine will not hurt a normal person's like i broke my hip i fell down oh god oh i just remembered that is not his last name but it is very very close okay his name is adam and it ends in edda so that's why it ruined me well this i think is one of those publicity stunts here i might not be but apparently he had a girlfriend who lived in calabasas california at the time and by the way i know somebody, I won't say names or anything, but I knew a guy a long time ago who, when Terrell first came into the league, I believe he might have married this girl who used to go out with Terrell Suggs in college.

So, I mean, I'm sure he went out with many girls. But, you know, he's a college football playing star. Spread his seed far and wide. Yeah, I'm sure he's had plenty of opportunities a good farmer does yes yes that's right i just pictured him while i was like seed bags it was like a newspaper bag over his shoulder across his body handfuls of jizz yeah i just i just pictured him doing it like that you know what i mean like they do with the seed they're like he's jerking it yeah that's what i pictured just

flinging jizz everywhere here you go here you go handful for you or maybe he does it like a catholic priest with the little squirt like a donkey tail on your face ha there you go i christen thee i don't know what he's doing a donkey tail in a bag of jizz and just whacks you in the face with it. Or one of those little bottles that priests use. Or the bottle. Yeah.

With your thumb over it. Just widens up the opening a little. That's all. Gross. Gross. That's almost as gross as Go-Gurt,

but probably not. So, at this, I guess this girl asked him to take a trip with her and her friends to Las Vegas as her brother passed the bar and became a lawyer. So she was excited. We're all going to Vegas to celebrate.

That's a big party. He said he had no money. He said he had no money. I can't imagine ASU doesn't slip money to start local athletes under the table. I just can't. I'm sorry. They're just that. If you said name

the dumb shit schools that would do that i guess you'd be at the top of my fucking top of my list the amount of bars and nightlife that's around that fucking college how does a star student be broke around there you got to entertain that kid otherwise he's going to texas oh he's good yeah where they will give him fuck yeah go to smu back in the day or something they gave eric dickerson's parents i mean dickerson was driving like a fucking giant gold car in his junior year of college what the fuck you're working hard at the down at the shoney's yeah what are you doing you don't have time for that. So the only thing that's, like, some colleges actually, guys, will be broke. And some colleges will only pay, like, a quarterback, you know, a couple of guys.

But, like, I've heard the story, I think we've talked about it before, that Arian Foster told on a documentary about being in college. And he wasn't one of the guys getting paid. Right. And he was saying that they were literally fucking starving and he said him and some guys there's four or five guys on the team in his apartment and they were like we got to call coach and tell him what the fuck's up they called the coach and said hey we have no food we're five giant fucking guys practicing football every day if you don't fucking do something right now we're gonna go out and do shit we know how to do to get this shit understand that might not be good for you it's not good for the school at all and he

said i'll be there in a half hour the coach said he said he came over with like you know a hundred tacos from taco bell and was like here eat up but that's ridiculous it's crazy that's fucking crazy that you should have to beg for food when you're making a school millions of dollars you literally have zero time to benefit financially gain anywhere. And this school is not going to take care of that? And don't tell me he gets an ASU education because he's a local. That ain't worth much there. It really isn't.

In a minute. It's not worth a lot in Arizona as far as your local. No. Oh, you went to ASU? Oh, top of the pile for you. Didn't know. You're the only one. Did you know that?

La-di-da. Wow. Was it ASU West? Did you really buckle down? Was it the downtown campus? The main campus or what? Which one was it? Did you go to the one next to the Catholic diocese?

Yeah. And the food shelter? That one? Is that one? That one holds a lot of weight it does especially the west one next to the you know apartment complex next to the fucking section eight there's a very glendale's known for its academic viability let's be realistic here you think cambridge you think right you know places like that you think you

think glendale arizona if you're thinking now we're making fun of this neither of us went to any college so two weeks of asu you're above us you're already don't don't take it as an insult but you had a leg up in the job interview uh competition with me yeah but you know how in the hierarchy of colleges you know you're not walking around fucking bragging about ASU to people outside Arizona. Where'd you go, Yale? ASU. You're like, is that accredited?

People would be saying, is that a real school? They just play football, right? That one's online, right? Yeah, it's an onliner. I think I saw a commercial for that at two in the morning. Larry Fitzgerald go there? I was watching Hulu and it just popped up. I was like, yeah, okay.

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That's all she had to give him. You can go there, then come home. That's it. So he's like, all right. So they all went to dinner. They went to a group dinner. And he said after that, he was down to 20 bucks. Yeah.

So he said he cried his eyes out. He said, how the fuck am I going to eat for the next two days? Yeah. It's Las Vegas. This is fucking crazy. He says, quote, you know what what let's do this oh boy i think he needs it in their own words for this for this this poor poor tale of a yeah let's do it pretend you're talking through gang gang sign crossed teeth because it is crazy what's happening

in that man's mouth he says in their own words quote i had to compose myself because i didn't want to let them know i was in the bathroom crying. I was like, this will never happen again. And it just fed a monster. I was determined this will never happen to me again. Okay. All right, Terrell. All right, T-Sys, calm down.

He's about to tear his pants and turn into the Hulk. Yeah, I think he does that anyway normally just because he's so muscular. He said whenever they went out to eat, the rest of them, he'd say, I'm going to go gamble. Yeah, you guys do that. And then he would go like get McDonald's on the strip or like some fast food. You know how Vegas has that? Yeah, that's a sad one. You know where it is.

It's like outside across from New York, New York. And it's like on the second floor. And it's a giant food court. There's like a wiener schnitzel. There's all sorts of shit. And they just play depressing Spanish music on loops. You're eating your wiener schnitzel. You're like, no one here is a big winner.

No one here had a great night and crushed it at the tables. We're all bigger losers than the big winner. This is bad shit here. So that's how he got through the weekend. And he said he made it through the weekend. A couple of weird things about Terrell that are kind of funny. Not weird in terms of like, you know, aberrant societal behavior, but just funny little things here. Andrew Walter was the quarterback at the time.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that poor bastard. They lived in the same freshman dorm suite together. And that guy, didn't they make him start when he was like a freshman or something and fucked them all up, I think, if I'm not mistaken? I don't think he... Did he make the NFL and was like a backup for like a year and was gone? Or it might have been like an undrafted sign by somebody.

They had him running for his fucking life. Oh, yeah. Oh, boy. ASU sucks. I don't know if they're good now. Good pocketbook. Ohed sign by somebody. They had him running for his fucking life. Oh, boy. ASU sucks. I don't know if they're good now. It's a good pocketbook. Oh, they're not. They've had problems. Okay.

Essentially, they're an up and down. They're an up and down program. Herm Edwards has given them a terrible name now. Surprise, surprise. Yeah, that's pretty funny. He's gone and done some illegal recruiting things, evidently. Yeah. Well, people in the...

He's an NFL coach. NFL coaches are like, you just go get a guy. There's no rules. This is... NFL has the same rules as war. Right. There's no rules. They're ruthless with each other.

It's fucking... That's how they think of it. It's hard. You got a sharpshooter on you. We'll take him. Well, it's war between billionaires. It's not like it used to be some family businesses, and it's's like oh our team our fellas will kick their like that's how it used to be now it's just like well fuck we need to get him because our stock prices are gonna this yeah

i lose i'm gonna lose a billion dollars in valuation if we don't sign fucking our quarterback again and the nfl uh can uh perpetuates that by having the Rams win the fucking Super Bowl because that's all they did was just trade and buy the best things that they could get. Granted, there's a salary cap and there's rules in place to keep them from overspending. That's always, always been an option for a team to go all in on a season and then watch your franchise fall apart for the next five years. That's always been an option, and teams have done it, and there's a price to pay for it there is yeah it's i mean that's just the way it works there's not going to have a you know like a tom brady or peyton manning situation there because if you're just

picking up guys yeah trying to fill in sometimes quarterbacks need that chip so bad for their for their career that they will take a pay cut will not. Well, usually when you do this, also, you're mortgaging it because there's a lot of deferred stuff. So your payments. Sure, keeping the can down the road on things. Yeah, in three years, half your salary cap might be dead money from guys from the Super Bowl team. So that's a problem. And you've got just a bunch of scrubs, and you've got to try to sell T-shirts on that team. Shit.

In a giant market with a lot to do and a beach and an ocean. Right. Good luck. And a brand new stadium with the mortgage on it. We just fucking buried them and put up a tombstone. They won the Super Bowl 12 hours ago. Jimmy, it was like 14 hours ago. These people had a trophy and they were celebrating.

They're the greatest thing in the world. We're like, well, that's the end of that. Stick a fork in that franchise. They're the greatest thing in the world. We're like, well, that's the end of that. Stick a fork in that franchise. They're fucking done. Sorry, everybody. That's what happens when you get an aging team, too. Stars retire, man. And then what are you going to do?

They retire. They go other places. And you've got to hope somebody else is as good as Donald. It's not going to happen. No, no. That's a once-in-a-lifetime thing. Once-in-a-lifetime. Yeah, he's your guy like that that that teams have these big star players

so he's with he's with andrew walter and they're living in the same place and i guess um he's brushing his teeth yeah and he looks over that takes all day he walked yeah he walks in and he said he walks in to see terrell suggs shaving his entire body, which is what he does between games. Is that right? Before every game, he completely shaves his whole body because he says it makes him feel faster. Yeah, that's wind drag. You have a uniform over it. If your pubes are so formidable that it's causing drag through football pants with the cup,

you really have to trim up at that point. That's a lot. You're wearing pants that go down past the... You're wearing capris, sir. You're wearing capris and pads. So Walter said he walked in, said, what's up? And then he said, hey, that's my razor. No!

You can't do that. Get that off your asshole. Get it off your taint. You just got done fucking just cleaning your taint i shaved my mustache with that oh god the part right below above the lip right there it's like that's what that smell was it's your taint oh my god it's the underside of your nutsack that's the underside of your nutsack. That's the problem. That's why it hurt when I shaved. So he said Suggs went, oh, really? Sorry.

Here, man. You can have it back. He goes, no, thanks. Keep it. Really? It's all yours, bro. What I meant was that was my razor. I meant buy your own razors is what I was getting at.

Don't steal my. Terrell Suggs just goes into bathrooms and uses the hygiene equipment. Grabs a razor and starts hitting his fucking dick sack up. No problem. If Terrell Suggs ever asked to use your restroom, the answer is no. No. Clean it out. No shaving implements.

So he was, yeah, a lot. He also says that he took a sign language class as a freshman which enabled him he took it to meet girls he said because he knew he heard there was a lot of girls in sign language so he took sign language to meet the girls which is shit that 18 year old kids do they were like where girls at i don't get one of these classes i'm playing football i don't care what classes i'm in i want classes where i can meet girls and i play football that's the whole that's the package i'm looking for that's my easter egg why are you doing extra shit when the the the thing that gets girls you already do it you're doing it you're doing all of it i did this i guess he wanted he wants

every girl i want a caring girl that wants to know what deaf people think and shit i want a girl who's like what's that deaf motherfucker thinking that's what i want that's what i'm looking for that's a girl that cares not every girl's into football so i gotta do other shit that the other girls are into because i want to fuck them all and they're gonna be like oh you care about saying sign language he could be like one of my cousins was deaf when i was eight and the fact that i couldn't communicate with him broke my heart and then he's oh next thing you know he's t sizzling just flinging it like just donkey donkey tail blessing yelling in latin and flicking fucking just in the name of the father and the son and the Holy Spirit. Just blessing them all. That has to be very blasphemous and offensive.

So I apologize, but I don't because it's fucking hilarious and I don't care. It really is. So he takes this class and he said because of this, it taught him to read lips. Oh. So he said he could read the quarterback's lips and he could see what's going on in the huddle and he could see plays. Genius. And that's why when people say, why do the coaches cover their faces up? He quarterbacks lips, and he could see what's going on in the huddle, and he could see plays. And that's why when people say, why do the coaches cover their faces up,

they literally have people trying to read their lips. That's why. It's crazy warfare. There's a guy up there with binoculars going, I think he said left. He said left. It's crazy. It's the amount of reconnaissance of war. I don't know why the Cincinnati coach kept covering his mouth.

He has an underbite so tragic. There's no way you can read those lips. No, no, no. He does look. It's like an English bulldog speaking English. You can't. You won't decipher that. Hello, it's 44 right, 823 left. His underbite is fucking three on three yes

it's crazy he's uh everybody said he's a nice guy off the field sucks yeah they said that he's a nice guy but also he's they said that he would try to uh take advantage of shit he would say i think he thought he was a star so he's like he kind of get away with some shit that underclassmen couldn't usually get away with so he would like talk about oh yeah my like i'm cramps and stuff i should probably get in first class on the flight which they gave clever they gave to the seniors yeah and he was like you know but yeah you should probably put i'm a big guy i'm handicapped yeah so yeah i gotta go in that section and uh but no that's that was his his didn't work but he didn't work what he tried I'm a big guy. I'm handicapped. Yeah, I got to go in that section. But no, that was his.

They gave it to him. No, it didn't work. What are you trying? Yeah, so pre-draft here. He's going to be a top 10 draft. For sure. Everything we've described, how is he not going to be a top 10 draft? He was a monster in college. He really was.

The amount of talent here cannot be understated. I feel bad for anybody that played on that team with him because good for them that they got to play with him and the spotlight's on the team and hopefully they get a little bit of the shine but no it did not happen that's the thing focused on him and the quarterback what was his name andrew walter for a minute that That's the guy. That's how bright he shined. Teams like that, though, he brings the scouts. But during the game, the scouts are all there. If you have a great game, they're watching you, too.

That's how a lot of guys got found from other guys they were going to look at. They're like, fuck that. Who's that guy? There's so many stories of guys got found like that. But Terrell was so good. He's a beast. You were not doing that no it's not gonna happen no top 10 pick he's gonna be grace yeah this this is grace now not grace for his career for his life but definitely grace for public opinion maybe and things of that nature and just his life being a constant because at this point his life is one big fluff piece yeah every story is what a nice kid he is he's so talented his mom works two jobs he doesn't have enough money to go to vegas so he

cries in a bathroom and eats fast food but keeps a happy outer you know spirit so everyone thinks he's great it's all this fluffy shit now it's fucking great now it's grace because now it's real. Well, now once the draft comes up, teams hire private investigators. Like everything is. We know everything you've ever done. Yes. And everybody who you've ever known, now you are under a spotlight. So anything that's ever happened about you, someone who doesn't like you or something, it's fucking coming out now. This is the time.

This is when people care. So there's a brawl in Arizona, which, wow, shocking. It happens. All the time. It happened, I guess, at a, where was it, outside of a basketball game? The ASU game? No, no, no, no. Suns game?

I think it was a pickup game. Oh, my God. I think it was just a pickup. Like at a park? But an indoor thing, like a rec center. Oh my God. I think it was just a park. But an indoor thing like a rec center. Yeah. One of those rec centers

like on Deer Valley up there. And so he he was in there and apparently there was a goddamn brawl and shocking slugs was throwing people around fucking

like Patrick Swayze and Roadhouse. He was fucking fascinating. Kicking people's asses. But he will pick the monster like like honestly like

a wrestler over his head and throw them and he can he's enormous that's he and he's strong and like i said he's in constant combat and he's playing basketball most of those guys aren't constantly getting fucking hit every play of the day so it's a different mentality here so the terrell gets blamed for the fight but it doesn't seem like it was his fault. Honestly, it seems like some shit went down and he was there and he took care of some business, which is fine. But if you have the NFL draft coming up, when some shit comes, goes down, you got to make everyone in your crew aware of, Hey, if some shit goes down, you motherfuckers are on your

own. It's also, everything's gonna get blamed on me i'm going this way when that shit happens you can either follow me or you can be involved in the shit and not have my fucking help but i'm not wasting i'm not name out your mouth i'm not losing millions of dollars because that guy called you a name and you're upset about it like i'm sorry we're at la fitness this is fucking ridiculous yeah i'm not i'm not going this at the old 24 hour so he said that uh at this point he's expected to be as much as a top five pick so it's a it's a big deal but apparently this was a basketball tournament at phoenix municipal stadium so he's at muni where the fuck is there a basketball tournament at the baseball

field at muni is there like another stadium where is there like a that tournament at the baseball field at Muni? Is there like another... Where is that? Is that over by the A's Stadium over on Washington? That is the A's Stadium. It is. Phoenix Muni is the A's Stadium, the spring training. Oh my God, that's the course. Spring training of the A's. That's outdoor basketball courts.

Okay, well there you go. There was a basketball tournament. It was in March, so that makes sense. It's not like July where people would have to shovel the bodies off at the end. So it's March 29th. There's a basketball tournament at Phoenix Muni, and apparently afterwards that's where the brawl stemmed from, from basketball. And his lawyer, or his agent, Gary Weichard, said, quote, it's very ironic they're coming out with this three days before the draft

after I was told they requested $2 million or they would go to the press. He said, to me, that's what this whole thing is about. For them to go to the media with this, it seems coincidental with trying to defame Terrell, who's never had a problem with the law, and to hurt Terrell's draft status. It smells of an athlete in the spotlight who's worked hard to be put in a position that Terrell is in and to try to capitalize on his financial reward. He's never been charged with anything. It seems like blackmail. Okay. I could see that angle, but also that's, that's, that's spin.

Oh yeah. That's his, that's his agent. That's the guy who gets 10% of what he gets. So he's trying to make sure that even an attorney is trying to keep you out of jail. They don't get a percentage of your salary. This guy's making sure he's playing the long sure that even an attorney is trying to keep you out of jail. They don't get a percentage of your salary. This guy's making sure he's playing a long game. But I also put this under the just like a positive story. The thing of I don't believe anything that comes out that close to the draft. Yeah. Or I believe it.

But it's it's going to be skewed. You know what I mean? It's not like on March 30th. This was a big deal when it happened on the 29th. It's not like on March 30th this was a big deal when it happened on the 29th. So apparently there's a couple of guys here that contend that at this point he's 258 pounds of muscle. Holy fuck. I guess he got in a heated exchange with several men. The men alleged that Suggs handed a baseball bat to his younger brother Donald.

Oh. That's the accusation. And the father named the youngest one because sugs is the middle one that's the youngest son they named he named after himself okay oh so maybe waited a while maybe you had to get a couple out of the way like we'll name one after your father we'll name one after my father and then the next one we'll can fucking then it's me then we do what we want one way or another we're me. So apparently this is the accusation, that Suggs handed the bat to his brother and said, quote, swing this bat to kill, not to injure.

Oh, T. That's the accusation. Sizzle him. Sizzle him up, baby. Throw down some olive oil and put him on a hot pan. Swing to kill? These men contend that Suggs punched one of them. It was a 145-pound guy named J.C. Cook breaking his nose and held down Cook's friend, Anthony Henry, while he was struck with a steel rebar.

Oh. That's the accusation. So there was rebar involved, too? Yeah, it gets more and more complicated. Is there a construction site nearby? It's Phoenix, Muni. There's always something being... Who's got rebar?

It's the middle of the desert over there, so I don't know where... I don't know. Yeah, I don't have some rebar. Who's got rebar in their trunk? You just take it with you somewhere. I know a lot of kids back when I was a kid around here that used to just carry a hammer around just to... Yeah, but a hammer seems like a good weapon. Rebar seems dumb.

That's a good fucking weapon. It'll swing, sure, but swing sure but it'll break your goddamn arm too yeah oh then it's just even more now you can ball it up and make it harder and beat someone on the head with a ball of rebar double the strength yeah pow make a corner and then hit someone that would hurt fucking cut you open man it seems like it would hurt me i don't want to get my rib cage worked over with a steel rebar. So it sounds like that's what was going on here. That's what they said. Suggs' attorney, now he's got also, he said, their statements are as false as they are calculated to damage Terrell's opportunity in the upcoming draft.

Wow. It's a well-crafted statement. It sure is. His student loans are worth it, that guy. He's making it all pay off. It's a well-crafted statement. His student loans are worth it. That guy. He's making it all pay off. It's a good one. He provided the Arizona Republic with interview transcripts from seven witnesses who described an entirely different fracas. Saul and these witnesses claim, Saul's his lawyer, that Cook started the trouble by taunting and threatening Donald Suggs.

Who fucking, how dumb are you? This is Phoenix, by the way, everybody. Where a 145-pound moron will taunt a guy who's standing next to a mountain of aggression and fucking physical acumen. And he's like, yeah, that's the kind of dumb shit that Phoenix is. And then you have to beat this guy up. You have to beat up the crackhead 445 pound moron. It's a 145 pound man with a 250 pound mouth. And it happens a lot. And he's going to get it fed to him.

And you just go, oh, Jesus. Every time it's like, oh, Jesus. I was a bouncer for a couple of years with these idiots. And I just go, oh, my God. Again? Really? Everyone here is huge, and you're drunk and not huge. You've got a different face, but you're the same guy from last week.

Yeah. Literally, this guy's like 300 pounds. I'd be like, I'm going to make him pick you up and toss you somewhere. What is wrong with you? How dumb are you, man? Why do you keep doing this? This is not smart. You got a different name, different face, but you're the same guy.

Same guy. You're all the same. I've seen you before. You're all the same. So now they say, the witnesses say that Terrell Suggs stepped in as a peacemaker trying to calm the situation. But Cook began pushing and trying to punch Donald Suggs over Terrell. Around. I don't know about that.

This is my thing. This isn't at a bar. If this was a bar at 2 in the morning, I'd buy it. For sure. A thousand percent that this happened, just like that. But if this is after a basketball tournament at a Phoenix Muni, I don't feel like someone is quite intoxicated enough to take a swing around Terrell Suggs. Yeah, the alcohol content of Gatorade isn't that hot.

It's not. Two in the morning, you'd be like, man, fuck that guy. He's not doing shit. He ain't that big. He's not that. Fuck, he don't want to do shit because he don't want to fuck up his NFL shit. He'll let me kick his brother's ass, I'm sure. And then he's flying through the air.

He's splashing jizz on you afterwards. I could see Terrell, too, as the biggest guy on the court, just putting a stiff hand out. You know what I mean? Watch it. Like touching somebody. That invites, too. You know what I mean? That's instigating as fuck.

I mean, yeah. Even if it's a calming thing. Who knows? With crazy people, you don't know. Because the other guy could be a nut. That's the problem. That's the thing about crazy. That Phoenix guy, you don't know what he's doing.

So they said that apparently I tried to step in. The witnesses said that Terrell finally punched Cook in self-defense, then got bashed over the head by Henry, who had a rebar. Who's his friend? That's Cook's friend. They said that Suggs helped get the rebar away from it. Like he turned around like, give me that. How dare you? Bent around his head. Yeah. The the shape of sugs's head so they also had all sorts of back

and forth these two sides the allegations and all this type of shit allegations that the one side was trying to squeeze a financial settlement from this guy and then allegations back the other way saying that he's trying to get away with it because he's getting in the nfl it's a lot here um there's no charges for a while there's an investigation apparently the uh the cop said it was an unfinished investigation and they weren't sure who they were going to charge or if they were going to charge anybody at this point so the detectives now are as they go into it, operate on a theory that Donald Suggs and his cousin Rico might be charged with felony assault, while Terrell might face a misdemeanor complaint as this is going on. They had all these transcripts, photographs. This is the largest investigation of a fight outside a basketball court where no one was seriously injured or killed that I've ever fucking heard.

I remember pictures of these two dipshits' faces in the news. Oh, yeah, yeah. With his bloody face. Complaining. Yeah, and his two black eyes. Look, man, if you get in a fight outside a basketball court and no one is, like, seriously injured, you got in a fight, move the fuck on.

Don't run your fucking mouth next time. How about that? It sounds like you could have... Get the fuck up. Also, you don't. Who faces Terrell Suggs in a heads up fight at 145? You're mismatched. If you do that, you fucking deserve it.

You're not an intelligent person. That's like Grizzly Man. Remember Grizzly Man? Yeah. The documentary? Right. You watch the whole thing. You're like, what's going on?

And then he gets eaten. And I didn't even feel bad. I didn't want the guy to get eaten, but I went, well, yeah, that makes sense. How many fucking times can you literally poke a bear? Remember the other friend, don't poke the bear? He's literally like, how you doing, pal? Give me a Pillsbury Doughboy. Here, giggle for me.

He's poking him in the fucking stomach. Stop doing that. They told me that a man pitched a tent in the wilderness near bears and followed them. And I was like, he didn't get eaten. They're like, oh, he got eaten. Oh, eventually he got eaten. Well, of course he got eaten. About an hour and a half in, he got eaten.

What are we talking about? Yeah. You pushed Terrell Suggs. You didn't get punched. Oh, I got punched. Of course you got punched. What are you talking about? I would probably, I'd like my chances against a bear more because I could probably maybe

trick a bear or something. Terrell's not, he's smart he's just gonna keep coming at me and beat my ass i think the forest ranger if they if you said i shot a bear they'd be less angry about you shooting the bear than the fact you know you're alive yeah they'd be like oh it was you know at least he didn't mull you was he attacking you he was well then good but you can't shoot a person you can't just do that no that's no so they're giving opposing lawyers are going back and forth the phoenix police said that sugs failed to cooperate by dodging interviews so i don't know if he's busy or what but yeah he's uh

he this guy the lawyer contends that sugs agreed be questioned, but that the detective sabotaged that agreement with, quote, patently false claims that he was avoiding it. So the police didn't comment about that. And Suggs had 40 times that were slower than expected, and that was a big deal. He's a defensive lineman. And he's packing weight on. And who cares?

I don't give a shit what a fucking linebacker or lineman's 40 time is i care about how fast can he get from where he's standing to the quarterback that's the part that matters right not if he picks up speed after 26 yards right who who when the fuck do you need your defensive lineman to run 26 yards he's generally a season he's generally playing in a 26 yard window that's That's it. Don't care. If he starts getting up to max speed after that, that's a problem. 40 is irrelevant. I don't need one of these cars that picks up speed.

He's got to go from zero to 60. That's what's important here. It's such bullshit. Jerry Rice was the opposite. They said his 40 time wasn't that great, but after 40, he would fucking pull away from you like a Ferrari. Like you couldn't get anywhere near him. That's a different kind of speed. Like DK Metcalf.

That guy is a freak. You can't catch a guy like that. It's unbelievable. So he, what was I doing? Okay, yes. They said that patently false. He's not doing that. Now, Sugg said about the fight, quote, it blew up to be bigger than what it was.

It blew up. It's not that big of a deal. Well, we'll find out in to be bigger than what it was. It blew up. It's not that big of a deal. Well, we'll find out in the draft if everyone else thinks it's a big deal. 2003 NFL draft. Jimmy, number one pick. 2003? Was that Adrian Peterson? It was not Adrian Peterson.

Oh, that was close. Carson Palmer. Oh, Jesus. How'd that work out, Cincinnati? Cincinnati. Well, they went to the playoffs a bunch again. That hadn't happened in a while. It was better than Achilles Smith, I think.

That's how they would say. Well, better than the last one. This redhead doesn't work out. Let's dump him and get a different one. We'll get another one. That's it. We need a fair-haired man in here to do something. It's weird.

I always liked Jeff Blake when he played for them. Remember Jeff Blake in the late 90s throwing bombs to Carl Pickens? That shit was fun. He got all around the league. He played for Arizona too. Yeah, he sure did. Yeah, but Jeff Blake throwing bombs to Carl Pickens back in the day was a fun thing to watch. Anyway, number two overall. Jesus, Detroit,

you're so bad at picking things. Who'd they do? Is it John Kitten? Charles Rogers. Oh, what? Charles Rogers who played 15 career games oh my and i think he just had did he die recently or have a rodgrs yeah yes i think he did no no rogr just rogers rogers yeah like mr and roy i thought of the restaurant so um and then andre johnson was third the wide receiver That's a good pick. Great player. Very good. Dwayne Robertson for the Jets, defensive tackle.

Terrence Newman, who's played for a long fucking time. Byron Leftwich, who's a coach now. Great coach. Number 10 overall, Baltimore Ravens picked Terrell Sox. At number 10. At number 10. Now, he's listed as a linebacker. Before him, Robertson got picked, who was a big beast defensive tackle he was going there no matter what and then the only thing was maybe would uh new orleans have taken him instead of sullivan was the the question but otherwise a defensive

tackle was taken right before him kevin williams from minnesota no kidding yeah so he's great they could have had also 16 in the draft was Troy Palamalu. Wow. Which the Steelers got in mid-first round. Hall of Famer. Mid-first round swiping. Jesus, the Bears picked Rex Grossman. Fuck me, man.

Ouch. Oh, you know what? We just talked about this draft because number 27 overall was Larry Johnson. Oh, no shit. So we just talked about this draft last time we did it. And you already forgot Carson Palmer. I sure did. He was the number one pick in the 2003 draft. So, 2003...

That was fast. That was real fast. Four weeks. Wow. He plays in Baltimore, and the team goes 10-6. Yes, they do. And we'll talk a little about them. Brian Billick is the head coach. They had won the Super Bowl a couple years before that, and we're kind of trying to rebuild the whole thing like we said win the super bowl you're

putting all your chips on out there blow it up and do it again this is uh jamal lewis and all those guys todd heap of crap yep oh that guy's good yeah no he's an asu guy that's why he said it's a great tight end though that's he played for 20 played ever 14 years he played like six seasons worth of games and all those times yeah he was a good he was good really good he was out there um that's the famous one of brian billick making fun of him on the on the the what the fuck is the show hard knock show where he said well he fucked something up some play and he goes you know what they say everybody some guys go to college and some guys go to asu and he just turned around and walked away you see todd drop his that's a real saying in the fucking nfl some guys go to college some guys go to asu

even in the nfl where you know intellectualism doesn't run rampant, they're like, Jesus Christ, could you fucking go somewhere that's not that dumb, for Christ's sake? Can't you go to fucking Ole Miss or some shithole like that? I don't know. ASU is the Alabama public education system. Go to TCU, for shit's sake. I don't care. Something.

Anyway, teams 10 and 6 that year. Kyle Bowler is the starting quarterback for nine of the games. And then the other seven games were started by Anthony Wright. What? Who? Anthony Wright. Remember him? I think he played for the Browns for a while, too.

He got around. Number two. He was like a thin guy. Uh-uh. And then Kyle Bowler was just kyle bowler the most milk toast not real great here they what is it they oh god bowler had nine picks anthony wright had eight picks oh eight wow so total touchdown 16 total pick 17 from there they threw 17 picks and went 10 and 6 went 10 and 6 there was a defense running there jamal lewis they just handed it off every

goddamn and they get to play cleveland two times a year that helped that helps a lot they were shitty as hell good they're coming back in the league perfect so uh terrell that year only plays in uh only starts in oh no that's the playoffs never mind what am i doing where is it that's yeah oh there okay yeah no terrell has a good goddamn rookie season, actually. It's not too shabby at all. He has a sack in each of his first four games, which is an NFL record. Really? He tied it, yeah. He finished the season with 27 tackles, 12 sacks, which was a Ravens rookie record, six forced fumbles, two pass deflections, and an interception.

Wow. He ended up being the defensive rookie of the year. Wow. Only started one game, by the way. Is that right? being the defensive rookie of the year wow only started one game by the way is that right was defensive rookie of the year so he definitely yeah he definitely made his presence known and on that defense it was like jesus they didn't need another one like that that was a brutal defense they were great so um yeah good good for them he uh uh the team yes they go to the playoffs that year and lose 20-17 to the Titans in the wildcard round. Now, December of 2003, in the middle of the season, he's charged with aggravated assault. Is that right?

Stemming from that fight. Oh, from the fight. From the fight in March. Aggravated. Aggravated assault. I mean, that's probably trying to get a plea deal out of him, I would think. But there's some accusations that he did some stuff with a bat and he had a rebar. There's a lot of accusations here.

It was claimed that he swung and broke a guy's nose and cheekbone. He's charged with felony aggravated assault. And the Ravens vice president said that he, quote, he went to Arizona to meet with authorities. He's handling the situation and we expect him back. So he's expected to appear at a hearing two days after the AFC championship game, which they don't make anyway. So who gives a shit? He does make that year. And I'm going to say what he actually made because some of these contracts, the cash is spread out.

I'm going to say how much cash did he receive that year okay four million one hundred fifty thousand dollars that's a payday that's not bad there is no more uh that feels good there's no more new york new york food court yeah that's oh boy that's good no more going to the fucking wienerschnitzel now so 2004 they're nine and seven no playoffs he starts all 16 games that year though this is when he came into his own and uh very good ten and a half sacks he's a good player he's a beast he's disruptive yeah disruptive on the field not to the no like disrupts offenses everywhere just right he's disruptive on the field not like in the locker room or anything like that.

He makes the Pro Bowl this year in his second year. Wow. Not bad. And he makes $4,555,000. That buys a lot of Arizona. Man, he's got $9 million he's made around here. That's not bad. So it's going well.

It is. So the offseason for the 2004, now it's 2005, right before the old summer, they go in for summer workouts and shit. June of 2005 is in court for the assault. And he said the guy's name was Jeremy, J-E-R-Y-M-E. Ew. Jeremy. Yuck. Cook. He said that he saw the punch coming from terrell sugs and he said

the next thing he remembered he was just beaten and bloodied and a friend was picking him up off the ground cook said in court quote i was gone describing a knockout punch he was just totally knocked out sugs by the way he's standing trial on two counts of aggravated assault. He's facing a mandatory minimum of five years in prison if convicted on both. So not even a judge can give him six months and suspend it. He's a mandatory five-year minimum if he's

convicted on both. That's a lot. Unbelievable. This is high stakes at this point here. This isn't fucking funny anymore for him. So according to Cook, the fight began when words were exchanged between Cook and Rico Suggs, who's his cousin, Terrell's cousin,

but then they went their separate ways. He said later on, Terrell showed up courtside of the game that Cook and his friends were playing and that him and his friends were watching. Apparently Terrell had a baseball bat on his shoulder and do you know how to play basketball sir i don't give a shit fuck this sport i play different yeah and he was with rico and his teenage brother because his brother's like

17 donald and two other guys he said after exchanging words with sugs cook and his friends walked away but the sugs group kept following them around the tournament grounds and eventually to the parking lot where Cook said he figured he was going to have to fight Rico Suggs. And then Cook at one point, he said, at that point, he said Terrell handed his kid brother the bat and said, if anybody jumps in, you swing the bat to kill, not to hurt. That's that's the court testimony wow now defense witnesses said cook was the aggressor against terrell sugs and that sugs acted in self-defense sugs said that he and cook were actually good friends as kids they went to high school oh he knows him he knows him well he said they went to high school together he said they were friends as kids good friends used to stay at each other's houses all the time as kids oh this is weird

this is getting so fucking weird he said that used to be my best friend is what Terrell says what what the fuck so why unless he did something to me would I try to harm him great point that makes a lot of sense to me that also makes a lot of sense it sounds like maybe this guy was like

pissy about I don't know what it wasn't there. Perhaps he's not quite the athletic prowess. That's what I mean. Jealous and pissed off. Yeah, I think you're a big shot now. You know what I mean? You think you're better than me?

We used to watch Zubaloo Zoo in our underoos. You calm down. You calm down. I'm picturing he's drunk. Only a drunk person would do this. Only a drunk person would fight a man. This is not sober behavior. No. Literally twice your size. Right. This is not sober behavior. No.

Literally twice your size? No. Not sober behavior. Not sober behavior whatsoever. This is like, no, let's do that. By the way,

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He said, why would I harm him? Then I guess Donald Suggs stuck the bat close to Cook's face like he put it out. And Cook said that he swatted the bat away with his hand. And he said one of his friends was getting all hyped up. And then he said he saw Terrell Suggs take a swing, punch him in his nose and cheekbone. And that's what messed him up. punch him in his nose and cheekbone and that's what you know messed him up so sugs's attorney found inconsistencies between his testimony and his original statements to police things have you know been made to fit a little better i guess there and uh cook told police donald

sugs brought the bat to the court side confrontation then he never saw sugs swing at him and then later on he says he saw sugs come up with the bat and then ceremonially handed over to his brother with words of advice on how to use it uh he told the jurors in opening statements that the three accusers demanded two million dollars to settle the matter just a few days after the fight so after the fight they were like you just give us two million and we'll stop and he was like no that's not how it works that ain't how it works so cook said he hired the lawyer for protection and for justice but he knows nothing about the offer that and maybe his attorney must have made it without his knowledge he didn't know he doesn't know anything about that and the judge said there that um that that would be an ethical violation and that he is, if that's the case,

it's an ethical violation and he would turn Cook's lawyer over to the state bar. Yeah. So, you know, your accusations have a lot of weight here. Now, verdict comes in. It's a two-week trial. Yeah. It took a while. For a fight outside a fucking uni basketball court?

But that's what happens when the water gets muddy like this though when when money starts fucking with that kind of money and in in 2000 2001 that's a sick amount of money that's even more money yeah and there was the frivolous lawsuit laws that were in that were happening then so this is a big deal well the verdict comes in after a day and a half of deliberations this isn't like an hour of anything this is a took the whole thing dead ass serious you're shitting your pants over here uh the jury comes back and says not guilty of assault uh of sugs here and this is like two years later yeah uh sugs says quote i wasn't shocked when i heard the verdict because you all have watched me grow up here he's talking to the arizona. I've never once been in trouble.

Wow. Yeah. He said that the accuser, his friend, ex-friend, was trying to lay the groundwork to sue for damages. And so he said, it's ridiculous. He said, quote, we played the Arizona SWAT team basketball team. We used to spend the night at each other's houses. He went one way. He walked one path and I walked another.

Can you imagine? about his friend like knowing that guy and like what if you run into him later and the thrill of being able to talk to your friend after they've done such a great job now you've ruined it you've ruined that over the the chance of suing him later that's disgusting it's fucking silly horrible and uh the jury also donald sugs by way, is up on two counts of aggravated assault as well. And they find him not guilty as well. Of course. Of aggravated assault. And the jury said that the, one of the jurors said the guilt beyond a reasonable doubt was not established to them.

That's all it was. A fight obviously happened, but for us to definitely know what happened and you know put people in jail for it seems a little much there's no video no that's the thing he said um a mutual friend of sugs and cooks testified cook told him that he was planning to sue for big money and um yeah so there you go uh juror richard tudor thought the police work was ambiguous, he said. So I didn't wasn't real impressed with that. Yeah.

He said charges could have gone either way on it. The case wasn't investigated enough to prove it either way. It's supposed to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. And they just couldn't prove that. And the jury for a woman said there was just too much contradicting information. He said she said, no, there's no in between. Exactly. So what are you supposed to do here terrell said that he had no doubt that his brother was going to be

found not guilty as well he was happy about it he said you know he said quote i have never once been in trouble i've never shown the character they tried to portray me i'm the biggest kid you guys know i'm a fun-loving guy keep that in mind yeah yeah remember it's gonna be very fun loving in a little while here jc should have just waited a little bit i'm sure there was time to sue him for something else later on down the road be a friend be a friend for now yeah wait till he he's in the league five years and then really fuck him over like some people actually do to these guys so um a lawyer said quote i don't know what the moving force was here. This is Suggs' lawyer.

The case should have never gone to trial. It should have never been charged. Terrell gets charged trying to break this thing up. As I've often said, no good deed goes unpunished. Okay. Oh, my. That's a lawyer. Yeah.

He doesn't have to be a hero out of the thing, just that he didn't say to beat a man with of the thing just that he didn't try to say to beat a man with a baseball bats plenty right i'm fine with that i don't need him to be mother teresa over here no good so training camp comes around for football and uh he's been in court the whole last three weeks so he said he can't wait for football to start now i'm sure he said the threat of football being taken away from you you appreciate it even more and he said he hates court he said i prefer two a days to any day here in court you can give me six a days over prison two a days if you don't know means two practices in a day right in a row and this is in the heat and it's uh summertime very intense shit conditioning

the two i don't even think they're allowed to do two a days anymore uh coach snyder was storied for him but he would make him do like now i mean indoor one and then outdoor the other well like what's his name the other one um the ugly guy no the goddamn oh my god how is this slipping my mind asu coach asu coach from the fucking 70s, 80s. Oh, the guy that this team was named after. Yeah. I hate ASU. I don't care. White? Frieder.

Oh, Frieder. No, not Frieder. Frieder's an ASU football coach. Yeah, football. I'm talking about football. Is it White? Is it Danny? No, it's not Danny White. I'm talking from back in the day.

He went on Frank Cush. Frank Cush. Frank Cush Field. Thank you. That's what it is. Frank Cush. Jesus. Thank you.

Frank Cush. That's what it is. Frank Cush. Jesus. Frank Cush was famous for, like, death to a days. In the Arizona sun, they'd make him run up the fucking mountains and shit. Run in a mountain? It was crazy. Oh, my.

He was known for that. And the guys would, you know, these death marches. Throwing up? Yeah. So he said, but they don't even think they're allowed to do that anymore. Probably not. Better than going to prison, definitely. So 2005 Ravens go 6-10.

Not very good anymore here. He starts all 16 games, does well, only has eight sacks, but he's a force. And now they know to fucking pay attention to him, too. So it's a little bit different. No Pro Bowl this year, which is weird. In 2005, their new defensive coordinator is Rex Ryan, future Jets coach and punchline of many, many jokes. And I saw him on the Super Bowl.

He was, yeah. He was sitting there. King foot fetish himself. That's the guy. He moved him from right outside linebacker to defensive end in many of the schemes. He made him kind of go around and kind of be a hybrid guy. Yeah. And he had eight sacks, but he had a career high in tackles and he had two interceptions as well so it's kind of made him a more versatile

guy now he's gotten paid front end on all of his contract here so he makes 405 000 this year i would hope he saved some of the 9 million he already made don't live like you're gonna make 9 million every two years no although he'll start definitely doing that. 2006 Ravens are 13-3. Oh. So totally huge turnaround here. They end up losing to the Colts, though, in the divisional round. Can you imagine?

That's rough. 15-6 is the score of the game, too, which I remember I believe that was a weird score that hadn't happened in like 50 years or something. Was it all field goals? 15-6. It might have been 15. That's ugly. It sounds like it, or missed extra points, that was a weird score that hadn't happened in like 50 years was it all field goals to six it might have been 15 that's ugly it sounds like it or missed extra points but that just sounds like a real fucking boring game truly a lot of field goals so um anyway that's that's what happens to them uh they were the best overall defense in the league that year though hayton manning beat them

and they'd be yeah with 15 points unbelievable you gotta be able to score more than 15 points like if you if you're a defense and you give up 15 points you go I did everything I could we did our job I gave up 15 points against Peyton Manning right so if I held him to 15 points you gotta score more than 15 points against a cult's defense that was about the strength of wet paper towel well they had Dwight Freeney there. They had Freeney, yeah, but that D was not known for... No, not stifling defense. No, they were known for 41-28 wins. Not the 85 bears. Not at all.

No, it's definitely not the purple people eaters or the orange crush or any other fucking color defense from any other time in history. So he got 64 tackles, 9.5 sacks, and set a new career high in pass deflections with eight, and he's voted to the Pro Bowl as well. That's a fascinating stat. Yeah. Well, pass deflections?

Yeah. That's a lot. Knocking down eight balls. When did they start that one? They started, they counted those. For a while? The 90s, I think. They started with that.

They only gave up 12.6 points a game, though, which is. Oh, my. That's stifling. Yeah. I mean, you can win even if your offense sucks if you're giving up 12.6 points. game though which is oh my that's stifling yeah i mean you can win even if your offense sucks if you're giving up 12.6 championships for sure it did for them a couple times so he makes the pro bowl that year like we said and um good stuff 500 grand he makes that year so yeah like i said he got a lot of his money up front i don't think i knew that yeah that's how it

worked that's the actual cash he went but like on the cap it was different right so if they told you what his salary was it would probably be his cap number not his actual this is actual cash he made yeah 2007 uh they go 5 and 11 wow what 13 and 3 5 and 11 ouch that's rough that's a snap back there man he starts all 16 games so far is since his second season he's only not started one game really every other game he started so he's doing well only five sacks this year but he's still disruptive and a force he does make five million twenty five thousand dollars this year though did he he got a he got a re-up there's a re-up yeah so um now the next year i think it was a one-year deal because then there was something to it or that might have been that was the balloon payment at the end yeah because that way they could cut him before that

and not have to pay him if he didn't work out right but they wanted to keep him so 2008 they decide we got to hang on to this guy they placed the franchise tag on him before the 2008 season yeah he filed a grievance because the team had designated him as a linebacker with the franchise tag rather than a defensive end at the franchise tag which resulted in a monetary difference of about 800 grand oh if you don't know sport this is a kind of a weird particular of the nfl contracts the way it works is teams can put a franchise tag on somebody it's a it's the way for a team to be able to keep a guy at least for one more year who's like their big star so he's our guys we can market the whole team around him exactly you pick one guy put a franchise tag on him and he's not allowed to go anywhere now now he's even

if he was a free agent now he's stuck that But the thing is, you have to pay him the average salary of the top five paid players at that position. Right. So that's how it works. So if you franchise tag a quarterback, you're paying him $25 million a year at least. So, you know, it's any position. You can pay top end. But defensive ends make more than linebackers generally. So that's why there's a difference in salary. The top five defensive ends make more than linebackers generally. So that's why there's a difference in salary.

The top five defensive ends make more than the top five linebackers. So he's pissed that they classified him as a linebacker. So he said he's unhappy with the franchise tag, but he still reported, even though he filed grievances to the offseason minicamps to practice and everything like that. So in a couple months, they reach an agreement to split the difference of franchise tag amounts. Okay. So they'll give him an extra 400 grand if he drops his grievance. So he's like, fine, fuck it. That's good enough.

2008, they go 11-5. Okay. Not bad. This is the first year of John Harbaugh coming in. This is Brian Billick left, and he's been on TV ever since, I think, right? Yeah. This is his big retirement. And they've got Ray Lewis now, right?

Oh, they still have. They've had him for the whole time? Oh, yeah. He was on the Super Bowl team from 2000. Yeah, that's right. Sure was. Remember the murder that happened around him? That's right.

I don't think he did anything at all in that, by the way. I think he was certainly involved. I think he saw it. I don't think he was like, yo, let's stab that guy. He was like, what happened? Yeah. Oh, shit, that guy got stabbed.

Oh, is that guy bleeding? Let's go now. I don't want to be involved in this shit let's stab that guy. He was like, what happened? Oh, shit, that guy got stabbed. Oh, is that guy bleeding? Let's go now. I don't want to be involved in this shit. I got to play the Super Bowl. Right. Which is probably what I would have done, too, I think, maybe at that point. So 2008, they go 11-5. This year in the playoffs, they win in the wild card round against the Dolphins, 27-9.

Yeah. They beat the Titans 13-10 in a squeaker there, and then they face the Steelers in the championship game and lose 23-14. What are you going to do? Steelers are a good goddamn team. They were tough on them in the playoffs, too. This year, he starts all 16 games. He has eight sacks, Pro Bowl, pretty goddamn good. Nothing to sniff at.

Not too shabby at all. No, he does well. Two interceptions, even. A lot of forced fumbles. Nothing to sniff at. Not too shabby at all. No, he does well. Two interceptions even. A lot of forced fumbles. He's all right. In the playoffs, he recorded sacks in all three of the games. Wow. Including two in the championship game.

That's awesome. And yeah, not too bad here. Suggs has sacked the shit out of Roethlisberger over the years. Yeah, he gets to play him twice a year. He gets to play him twice a year. And for some reason, he had his number. Only three sometimes because they get him twice a year. He gets to play him twice a year, and for some reason he had his number. Sometimes, because they get him in the playoffs, and then he gets him again.

And Ben is susceptible to that end also. Yeah. I believe, did he play the blindside position? Suggs, they moved Suggs all around, too. Moved him all over the place. Yeah, they did like an Lawrence Taylor thing, except around the end sometimes. God, was he good. And I don't know if maybe Ben really enunciated his words and Suggs was able to read his lips better.

Ben just, you can see when he talks, boy, it's good. So this year, he signs a new car. I'm sorry, this is the franchise year. He makes $8,475,000 this year. My God. year he makes 8 million 475 grand this year which sounds great but the problem with the franchise is you don't you're not getting like a signing bonus of a big giant long deal so if you got hurt that year that's the only money you're making now so that's what hurts uh 2009 they franchise him again and do it again to this guy he's like fuck i just want a long-term deal here uh but they uh they change their minds and

eventually they work out on july 15 2009 he signs a six-year 62 and a half million dollar contract his bonus money 33.1 million dollars oh my word highest yeah highest paid linebacker in history at the time. That's a shitload of money, man. Standing right next to Ray Lewis. Right there. That's amazing. And Ray's proud of him and happy for him. Oh, Ray was making bank, too.

I mean, he was making money, too. And Ray helped create what he is, for sure. And Ray was the type of guy, because he was their signature player. He was probably like a favored nations type of guy, where if they play pay sucks this they know they gotta pay ray more the next time you know what i mean like he's worth more he's got at least the same he's not gonna be you know slighted on his own team i got better teeth yeah come on now do commercials and shit and he does yeah uh nine and seven they go in 2009 uh the team, they beat the Patriots in the wild card round that year. That was right.

That was the year that, wasn't Brady get hurt in like the second game of the year or something? Blew his knee out and they brought the back in that castle. Oh, that's what it is. They went like 10-6 or 11-7. So they beat them and then lose to the Colts again in the divisional round, 20-3 this time. So good. Payton was tough around those years. So that year, he plays and starts in 13 games, four and a half sacks, kind of has a down year that year.

And there's a reason for that. Because in the middle of the year, in November, which is right smack in the middle of the football season, some stuff started to come out that was not good for him in public, mainly and pretty much exclusively from his girlfriend at the time, Candace Williams. Oh, Candace. She, they, by the way, have a two-year-old daughter and a one-year-old son together at this moment in time,

not named after him, by the way. No junior. She accuses, she alleges, that he threw a soap dispenser at her head and then uh hit her in the chest with his hand and held a bottle this is the big accusation held a bottle of bleach over her and their one-year-old son while she was holding him oh that's too much so that's a lot um a throw of a dispenser, a hit in the chest, and threatening to pour bleach on you and your child is a lot.

I'd love to know what that stems from. That's a lot. Who searched whose phone? This is something here. Well, it says it started over... This is the beef that started allegedly over game tickets. What?

Her wanting tickets to a game. He said, I'll bleach you. Yeah, you're not coming unless you're fucking, unless you're blonde. I don't know what it is. What is that? And the baby too. I'm not sure what the accusation is. But apparently it was, it's really weird.

One of the complaints here, the complaint that she filed, says that Suggs threw the soap dispenser, hit her on the chest with his hand, held a bottle of bleach over them, which then spilled on them and caused a rash on her and the baby. And so the district court judge wrote that a laceration was visible on her chest as well. She wrote that the altercation occurred at 5 15 p.m so this is like you know early dinner hour here this is you know and uh in the presence of sugs his cousin and his best friend as well were there jesus that's weird and uh sugs told her he had two tickets for the ravens game that evening against the Steelers in Baltimore that she had requested, but became angry that he did not know who the tickets were for. It's like, I got you tickets, and she said he was mad because he didn't know who she was giving them to, I guess. She said that they stopped yelling and teased each other, and she thought the argument was over.

each other and she thought the argument was over then she said um she teased him while he was in the bathroom and she went to close the door and then he quote stiff-armed the door she says she said quote so me still thinking he's playing i kick with the top of my foot his arm uh off the door to close it what the whole time laughing thinking we were playing and he throws the What? She threw a kick as high as an arm and thought we were playing? Yeah, be like, I don't, yeah, that's, she said we were laughing. He steps out of the door and, I want to know what the words are. What are the T's? That's the thing. What are we talking about?

Teasing. Short dick motherfucker or something like that? I don't know. Teasing. Ugly faced fucking. Stupid bitch. Yeah. These are not T's the thing. What are we talking about? Teasing. Short dick motherfucker or something like that. I don't know. Teasing. Ugly faced fucking. Stupid bitch. Yeah. These are not teases.

No. These are instigating words. That's, I don't know. And I don't know what their relationship is because some people say funny shit to each other that sounds mean that's not mean. You know, Sarah calls me names all the time as a joke and I'll say stuff back, but we don't mean it. I'm going to get lunch.

What do you want? I don't want anything. You're a fart and a half. Yeah. I'm getting you a sandwich. Oh, okay. Thank you. Yeah. I'm getting you a sandwich. Oh, okay. Thank you. Yeah.

We're joking. The most fascinating text messages I've ever been a group text fart on. But there's no kicking involved ever. That's the thing. We draw the line. No arm height kicks, James. That's high. Well, Sarah would have to stand on something to kick my arm out from that.

That's a hell of a jump. But yeah, that'd be a jump for her. But still. That's a kick. That's crazy. You've passed sure but yeah that'd be a jump for her but still that's a kick there's no crazy that this is you've passed what is that too much so apparently she said that she um uh she said he said oh my god sug said she hurt his arm yeah by kicking it and began yelling obscenities at her that's what she claims and she says that he spat on her chest as well he spit that's a lot that's the most degrading that's ridiculous yeah so she wrote that she heard one of sugs's friends who was present there uh say quote oh no siz come on don't do that siz come on so when she turned around

according to the complaint he knocked her to the ground and sat on top of her, grabbing her neck and holding an open bottle of bleach over her. So this wasn't like she was standing somewhere. She's not saying he was holding it over her head. She's saying knocked her down, sat on her and held a bottle of bleach over her. She wrote that Suggs used an obscenity and said he was going to drown her with this bleach. Oh, my. Wow. This is not funny.

This is a joke. This isn't playful at all. This is not playful, no. I'm failing to find the punchline. I'm pretty good at those. Where's the humor here? I'm looking for it. It's not ironic.

No. It's not like performance art like Andy Kaufman. I don't know what the fuck it is. Is it mimicking a celebrity fight? I don't know where this fight comes from. It's not satire. We'll put it that way. And I'll give them this.

I've never dated an NFL player, so I don't know if this is NFL love. Different humor? I don't know. Is this AFC love? So she put her hands over the cap, she said, but the cleaner spilled onto her and their son. And then he told her to get out of the house. Yeah. And he got dressed and left

for the game jesus christ so there's an area in the complaint where they're asked to describe past injuries she lips she lists busted lips broken nose black eyes and bruises uh from the past with him she says she asked the court to go to, asks the court to tell him to go to domestic violence counseling and pay emergency family maintenance costs. He did, that's when he did not travel to Green Bay for the games.

This is why he missed three games this year because he was being accused of pouring fucking bleach on his girlfriend and child. This isn't just domestic violence. This is terrorism. That's fucking just domestic violence. This is terrorism. That's fucking torturous shit. That's crazy.

If that's true, it's awful. This is heightened. Absolutely. We don't know if it's true, but if it is, it's fucking terrible. So, yeah, it's been a lot. So, I guess she then, a couple days later, files a $70 million lawsuit against him.

Oh, Jesus. She's seeking $20 dollars in compensatory damages and 50 million in punitive damages wow she said that uh she and sugs are quote unable to effectively communicate as to the major issues regarding the minor children if there's bleach involved that's not much of a conversation um he says this is due to Suggs' irrational and violent tendencies. She seeks child support and says that Suggs earns over $20 million a year and should be required to pay child support. It doesn't make $20 million a year, but still. It doesn't matter what money he makes. Should be able to pay child support.

We don't have to talk about the dollar figure. Makes very good money. He should pay some of it to me. He'll be Yeah. You don't have to. We don't have to talk about the dollar figure. Makes very good money. He should pay some of it to me. He'll be fine. I agree 100%. He said at a practice that he had nothing to hide, but he's not able to discuss the case yet, obviously. He said, quote, I can't talk about it right now.

You know I've always been fair. When I can address it, I will. I really have nothing to hide. As bad as I want to talk right now, can't okay so there's that um so she's looking for money she's also looking for charges uh she receives a temporary protective order requiring him to stay away from her and the children and vacate their home as well so there's that um he ended up suffering a knee injury in a game against the browns in the middle of all this i think he missed the game against and then he didn't go to green bay either um so they when asked again about it by the baltimore son he said it's a family matter and he would not

he would not comment then he denied he's in a relationship with her at all now we know that they have two children together and live in the same home that's a relationship and he's gonna say that's not a relationship tip to route what says t says says says says come on buddy define a relationship that sounds like a relationship if i'm living with the mother of my children in the same house we're in some kind of relationship That sounds like a relationship. If I'm living with the mother of my children in the same house, we're in some kind of relationship. I don't care if it's a weird one. You're in something with them.

I'm sorry. Now, will the team support him on this? Yeah. Bleach pouring? What do you think? Vice President said the team has a copy of Williams' complaint and reiterated that Suggs sugs will quote have a chance to tell his side of the story the nfl spokesman greg aiello said the league would quote take a look at it as we would any such matter to try to understand the facts that's a no i'm making no statement yeah completely neutral ambiguous i'm just. I'll look at that later.

I'm going to just dance a little over here. Then I'm going to do the icky shuffle back to that side. So the Baltimore County police spokesman said that protective orders are typically initiated after an accuser calls police and is instructed by investigating officers to seek one. The police had no record of any emergency calls at the home in the past week. They said that many accusers seek a police report to justify the protective order. That's what his lawyer says. That's not what I said. So that's not why.

Now, a lot of these women are just saying, yeah, you do that to justify it. That's a. If there ain't no report, what's the emergency? Yeah, that's a that's a defense attorney. Those seeking protective orders on their own are instructed by court officials that they have the option of filing criminal charges and police said they do not take action if the petitioner declines if a final protective order is granted by a judge uh the public domestic police domestic violence coordinators may conduct follow-up investigations as well but police involvement is not required for

a protective order the director of the baltimore house of ruth which is uh i don't know what the hell that is she said that uh anyone who has been harmed or is in fear of being harmed is able to visit a district court and fill out a petition to seek for protection she said there is a high standard of proof involved in such proceedings so some sort of injuries or something like that um now this is john s smith sounds like an alias after you hear what he says i think he's just like i'm john s public no smith smith he's a glenn bernie based attorney who specializes in family law not involved in the sugs case just to as an attorney off to the side what do you think because the attorneys involved can't comment

you know whatever or they only comment for their client he said accusers often choose not to pursue criminal charges if there are children involved but he also added that his uh in that is in his 23 year old 23 years of handling this he's seen his share of false reports i've seen a lot of females do this without just cause just to get the guy out of the house he said is that guy even a lawyer i was gonna say while that may be true i don't know if telling an arizona republic reporter with their pen out that is probably the best thing to say for a lot of females seen a lot of females doing this bullshit to get the guy out of the house it doesn't sound good that guy sounds misogynist as fuck man so

right after this she changes her mind yeah she says she withdraws the 70 million dollar lawsuit and now they're trying to reconcile the relationship that they're not involved in like he said remember reconcile this non-relation yeah we're not in in, like he said. Remember? Reconcile this non-relationship. Yeah, we're not in a relationship, but I'm going to reconcile it. Now I'm interested. Before, I didn't want to be in a relationship, but her accusing me of pouring bleach on her, suing me for $70 million,

something about it. There's a sparkle in her eye when she gets litigious. Really makes her ass dance. It dances. She gets a certain bounce in her step, and it's popping, baby. Holy shit. So his lawyer, Lynn Hoffman, says that Candace Williams voluntarily withdrew the lawsuit and filed a motion to rescind a protective order she had taken out against him last month.

The order was granted and they were seen hugging outside the courtroom. Oh, man, this is crazy. That's going to gonna go bad i don't know who yeah i don't even know who to believe because i i'm like i don't want to laugh i feel bad but at the same time i'm like i don't even know who's telling the truth here yeah i don't know if they're both lying i don't know what's happening but also he's the same age as i am yeah and at that time of my life i was volatile and weird as fuck too and that's he's doing exactly you had less brain damage so that's the difference i was i was making more brain damage with alcohol yeah just not sure he was right he's probably right alongside you on that one man not slamming my head into other men

that's the difference adam schefter reported that the case was dismissed and that made it dismissed because then everybody believed him. So some reports suggested that he had to pay Williams. But he said that he said that he didn't pay her and won't pay her anything for it. They just came to an agreement and now they want to be together. Yeah. So Jesus Christ. Giving her your bank account, sir, is paying her.

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. is paying her yeah yeah absolutely uh an attorney here a warren s alperstein said you can draw your own conclusions relating to someone's motive when they filed a 70 million dollar suit within 20 days of the alleged incident would it be better if they filed it later earlier or later whenever they do this with a time thing it never makes any fucking sense to me every goddamn time they do that every investigation it's been a year-long investigation they're obviously fabricating shit or they'll be like they arrested us in two weeks that's not a long enough investigate what's the exact right amount

of time it's a sweet spot where's the sweet spot for this where's the sweet spot for a murder investigate where's the sweet spot for this when are you supposed to file a lawsuit time isn't you can argue it either way, no matter what. Doesn't matter. Yeah, you can use either one to your advantage. So they said they filed a $70 million lawsuit within 20 days. He's eager to move on and resume his relationship with his children, which he's been deprived of. Okay.

So Williams alleged, like we said, the whole deal with, jeez, over game tickets. My God. Either way, that's a silly reason to even have an argument never mind a fight where they go into who's that why why are you doing that who cares she's impressing somebody yeah with you you're the one that's impressing these people that's what i'm saying that's the ego stroke alone yeah and i need to know who's going. Like, well, who cares who's going?

What do you give a shit? I mean, unless she's going with a guy, she's going to fuck. What do you care? Are you worried she's blowing somebody in section 22? I don't want you giving them to your bitch-ass sister because she's up. No. She's the worst. She came over on the 4th of July.

No, she shit on the floor. Remember that? That's how drunk she got. There was a turd on the bathroom floor i don't care whether she admitted to it or not it was hers it was a feminine turd i saw her eating corn earlier in the day shut the fuck up tight tapers it was it was hers that's how she does it trust me i know things so she um in this year sugs agreed to to stay away at one point that point and then he's going to pay her at the time

that they were had the disagreement there he was paying her $35,000 a month to cover expenses for the children they agreed to joint custody worked out a schedule and all that but then it's a you know different deal here he wants to she he also she pushed

for the use of an eight hundred thousand dollar windsor mill home owned by her sugs's mother where they lived after flood damaged his home but she settled for use of his 200 2008 hummer which i actually found a picture of actually because it's a i found a i want that house but i'll take the car i'll just live in the hummer i guess suggs attorney viewed the agreement as a victory and uh the ravens vice president says we're pleased he got to tell his side of the story so there you go came full circle when we could play some football yeah at the conclusion laverne suggs approached williams and asked for a hug williams who appeared upset backed away from her and shook her head.

Didn't even hug grandma? Wouldn't hug his mom. What the fuck? She said, let's make up. Here's a hug. And she said no. And then he said, that's fucking crazy. One of Suggs' associates could be heard saying, quote, cry me a river.

This is fucking hilarious, man. What a mess. This family's so fucked up. It a it's a mess i don't know who to believe i don't know what to do i hope there's no bleach involved let's just say that he makes though that year 15.1 million dollars oh boy 15 million 100 000 that'll create some turbulence that'll make you happy now another thing Terrell isn't great at, great at football, great at a lot of things, not good at driving. No?

Not according to his police record with driving. He's not good. I found a lot of tickets, and he's got no license for a long time. What? He's still driving around. He gets cited for stopping on the sidewalk in Chandler. What? You've got to be on the sidewalk in Chandler. What? You've got to be on the sidewalk in Chandler to get me in trouble for some shit like that.

People park on the sidewalk. You've got to park the whole thing there. Yeah, I just put it up. It was shadier, so I just put it on the sidewalk. This is in 2010 that happens. 2010 in Baltimore. They go 12-4. Is that right?

Absolutely. Absolutely. They win the wild card round against the Chiefs 30-7 and lose to the Steelers 31-24 every fucking year. So he starts all 16 games that year, has 11 sacks, makes the Pro Bowl. He's back, baby. $24,900,000 he makes that year. Wow. Oh, that's staggering.

That is $30 million in two seasons. Or 40, I'm sorry is 30 million dollars in two seasons that is or 40 i'm sorry 40 million dollars in two seasons holy shit remarkable wow that's so much money knocked the wind out of me so uh 2011 he is um ticketed for driving with a speed that's not reasonable or prudent i don't know what must have been in like uh that's an arizona ticket yeah it's a weird thing does that mean it was raining or something i don't know it can mean anything that that could mean the that's true police think that you shouldn't be driving that based on fucking any very i just heard that with someone had like a shitty car they're like you shouldn't drive that car that fast because it's shitty any variable that the cop yeah this is

unsafe they can take it you it's crazy that seems like a silly thing but he also has no driver's license so that's a problem you have to have one of those is not prudent any speed not prudent if you're not licensed to drive the goddamn vehicle so that's the main issue i believe come on t sizzle says sis sis come on. Get it together. Come on. So 2011, the Ravens are 12-4, and they beat the Texans in the divisional round, lose in the AFC Championship game to the Patriots. Yeah, 23-22. That was a close one. I remember that. That was rough.

I really wanted them to fucking lose the Patriots. This year, old Sizzle has quite the year. He has 16 games started, forces seven fumbles, which leads the league, has 14 sacks. He's a beast, man. He is all over the fucking field, just absolute monster, makes the Pro Bowl and wins Defensive Player of the Year in the entire NFL. So bad motherfucker.

For the season. For the season. And at the end of the season, he is named. So, bad motherfucker. For the season. For the season. And at the end of the season, he is named, you know, the NFL has their top 100 list every year. He's named number 11 on the top 100 list. Holy shit. Yeah, that's quarterback territory there. That's incredible.

Good for you, pal. Yeah, each team has a quarterback, which should be their best player. Hopefully. Yeah. And he beat at least 20 of those. That's incredible receivers everything else he makes three million four hundred thousand dollars it's at this point too where he says he's ready to produce his first film oh no don't he's ready said he met a woman at a festival named

monica mingo and she's a film student a, and her husband's a big Ravens fan. So she heard that Suggs was interested in making movies, and she walked up to him and said, if you're serious, we should get together and talk. So they do, and they collaborate on a short film. He says, quote, I was just thinking of a bride being left at the altar and the emotions one would have to go through. Heartbreak, then anger sets in then disappointment embarrassment i kind of wanted to capture all of that and then i started laughing

because i hate women and then i was like it's only somebody poured bleach on her this would be hilarious is what his thought was he wants to humiliate a woman well i don't know that sounds like a fantasy james i don't know if it's that or if he's got like this like you know i'm not going to make a movie about football i'm gonna make a woman a movie from a woman's point of view or like a heartbreaker i don't think it's a comedy though to him it is he said maybe yeah that's true i had never done anything like that before but when you have a vision and it keeps pestering you about it it keeps pestering you the vision apparently you can't sleep and you're like i have to put this

on paper so that's his thing look to the other side of the field there's a guy named michael orr with an amazing story oh he's got a great yeah he could have got that was already sold well before yeah long before this the fucking when did that movie come out was it 2013 14 no it was earlier than that jesus christ yeah it was probably 2008 or 2009 i think so yeah maybe that's what's got this bugaboo up his ass that's possible he's like hey man his story makes money i can make one up better than that he's real interested in film and shit yeah it's about a bride fuck your heroic you know struggle from this and sandra bullock and all that bullshit our whole team's gonna keep sandy bullock working we're all gonna write scripts for i'm gonna watch a bitch cry for 15 minutes it's a short film i'll watch her put

her makeup on then fuck it all up that's that's my film it's a better film there's nothing in your movie i could jerk off to michael not a goddamn thing nothing so uh yeah it's pestering him so he said they sat across from each other at the kitchen table in his home he would write a scene then she would write a scene they compare notes and just what decide what to leave in and what to take out she said within a few weeks they finished a script for uh Beautiful People Do Ugly Things is the name of it. So it was supposed to be a 20-minute short, he said, but they had 50 pages of script,

which is a problem. That's too much for a fucking 20-minute. It's a minute a page generally, so that's not, yeah. He said that one came naturally. Some are easier than others. I read somewhere that Quentin Tarantino said it took him 10 years to write Inglourious Bastards. 10 years.

Can you imagine writing a script for 10 years? He thinks he's Quentin Tarantino. He did make a short about a crying woman at the altar, though, Jimmy. So I feel like he's very close to that. He says his short film was accepted in the con film festival which there's filmmakers that are very talented that would kill for an opportunity to have their movie seen here and be you know get distribution deals and all this shit this motherfucker t sizzle got his in plays for the ravens and he's in so wow i mean it could be great i don't know. But either way, he got it there.

He and Mingo have written four short films and a feature called Coalition as well, which debuted at the 2012 ABFF. So this is Team Sizzle Worldwide Media. He got a whole production company started. Oh, yeah. He got a whole thing going on. This is the description. Quote, the bad boys club is really not all that bad young rich and handsome the boys know how to have a good time they love women fast cars and doing whatever they want to

do there comes a time in life however when karma is helped along when it's done by a group of scorned women it can prove to be devastating there you go now so he knows about yeah it's that movie where all those women get together and fuck with that guy you know that movie it's that one this is about a movie when you said uh yeah handsome i was like wait who wait not him what's that movie that came out like 10 years ago or that day is that a movie yeah he wrote it and they put it out no this, there was a movie already before that, and then there was also First Wives Club, which was also about that. There's been a lot of movies about

I think 9 to 5 is about a bunch of women coming together to kill... It's kind of over and over and over. It's a theme that comes on. It's a good theme, I understand it, but it's not an original thought is what I'm getting at. Just not an original thing. They also wrote and shot a TV pilot

called Shade, which Suggs described as... Now, okay. If you're thinking Terrell Suggs co-wrote something and he says it's a modern day this show, what show do you think he's going to say? Good Times? Sex and the City.

That's what you would have picked, right? That was second coming out of your mouth? Sex in the City. That's what you would have picked, right? That was the second coming out of your mouth? Sex in the City? I want to write something that's really just similar to that. Sex in the City. Sex in the City. It's modern day Sex in the City. Because if anything I know about, it's women in their shoes and what they talk about over cocktails.

Is that what he would come home to on TiVo after practice and games? Yeah, well he needs to do research. Put the show on. Put it on. I want to see if Carrie's going to fucking hook back up with dude or not. Come on, man. See if that guy that gives a real good head comes back in yeah come on modern day sex in the city they finished a movie they're trying to get distributed

titled everything about you a story of a man and a woman who decide to get married but are met with resistance by family members and they're which has also happened a few times out there and they're also currently writing brothers of the Struggle about a young man in Chicago who's trying to change his life amid the violence of the city. You mean the movie that's been done so many times, it dates all the way back to Romeo and Juliet? A little bit.

It's a couple of times. Resistance Against the Families. Yeah, it's Shakespearean. It's the same. Literal fucking West Side Story? All of them. They're all the... How many goddamn movies have there been made about our families don't like us?

How many songs in the 50s? It's a very common theme. Isn't that basically the plot to Twilight? I mean, not really. They don't really know of vampires. Yeah, but her family doesn't really think they like him. They think he's fine. They don't know he's a vampire. They don't know that he glitters yeah half of it and even they

even the vampires accept her i had to watch this for ps i hate this movie so i had to watch all three they're like no you can't be with a person this is unbelievable this is unbelievable and he's like i'm bringing him over and they're like we'll make dinner for it's fine best hospitality ever like it's fucking ridiculous so what is happening you're supposed to be fucking vampires eat this fucking lady what's going on there is my big fat uh greek wedding there's another one there's another one all of them i think everyone approved of it they were just yeah it's similar though it's been it's a common old theme it's guess who's coming to dinner it's all that shit it's a common fucking theme. Common theme.

And then the other one about a young man, a young man in Chicago who's trying to change his life amid the violence of the city. We've never seen that before either. That's a very original idea. He calls it, quote, a kind of modern day version of Carlito's way. So he just writes shit, then picks movies he likes, and then says they're modern day movies versions of that. I really like The Sandlot. I'm going to remake that.

It's about four guys robbing a casino. It's a modern day Sandlot, I think. What the hell are you talking about? So 2012, he is arrested again here, cited for speed that's unreasonable and not prudent at all.

And, oh, guess what? He's got no license again. So he gets that, too. Now, during the 2012 offseason, he's playing some basketball, keeping in shape, you know, doing some working out. And tears his Achilles tendon. Oh, no. Which is kind of a big deal uh he and his agent though claimed that he was hurt doing conditioning workouts not playing pickup basketball which

is there's a fine line between that because pickup basketball is conditioning it's certainly a car so yeah it's not like he was riding a motorcycle or he was you know crashed into a tree yes that's i mean it's not like he was doing some crazy shit and fucked himself up playing basketball is considered a reasonable exercise there was a guy that was taking out the trash and hurt his knee right or yeah that's probably a story that's a story yeah there's a lot of crazy story guy one guy uh god i was reading one guy like blew his finger off yeah it was gone but he made some other shit up back in the you know 70s crazy shit would happen so he uh the owner said it was no concern where he heard it and that the ravens will not try to avoid paying him his contract they're gonna pay him anyway uh medical experts

believe his injury should force him to miss the entire 2012 season and he says fuck that i'll be back by november is what he says uh problem is though there's two different stories about how he tore the tendon so one says he was working out one says he was playing pickup basketball and the ravens seem like they don't care either way so there's a lot of the a lot of the press is like making fun of them for it you know like yeah exactly people slicing their own well leron landry was the rookie safety who he got blasted with a paintball in the groin and missed part of the team's minicamp five years ago remember we talked about that that was fucking hilarious i had to bring that back up though shot in the nuts of the fucking paintball so Suggs said he was injured during a conditioning test and that

the other story is like we said he's playing basketball either way I don't think it fucking matters they said quote this is uh John Harbaugh the relevant conversation as far as Terrell Suggs is going to rehab he's going to be back here next week he's got a doctor's appointment if I'm not mistaken he's going to go to work and get that Achilles back and knowing Terrell he to be back here next week. He's got a doctor's appointment, if I'm not mistaken. He's going to go to work and get that Achilles back. And knowing Terrell, he'll be back sooner than later. Yeah. The relevant story is we also got him in a driving class and to get his license back. Yeah.

That's the other thing. He really, really going to work on that. He's doing a five-hour course and he's going to do like that Saturday thing. He's doing two-a-days on the booklet down at the MDV. That's what he needs. He's not good at this, I'm telling you guys. He doesn't know what prudent speeds are. We really got to get him up to date here.

October 20, 2012, he's removed from the physically unable to perform list, allowing him to play the next game against Houston in late October. Already. That's wild. That's fast. He's the first player in NFL history to recover so quickly from an Achilles injury like that. I wonder what helped him. He's in amazing shape.

Yeah. His body's in great shape and heals fast, and he works out. No chemicals or anything? Never chemicals. No. I think he's jacked. There's nothing created to help you heal faster. He is jacked in the most natural fashion as possible.

I don't even think he takes supplements or even like a protein or anything like that. I think it's just food. I think picture a large steak, maybe a big pile of pasta. I see him also maybe... And then pumping weights in the basement until the wee hours of the morning. Maybe even experimenting with bleach

and that's so he was just trying to feed his wife a health drink. You never know. I mean, people, hey, there was people out there injecting it into their fucking veins last year so i wouldn't be goddamn surprised any idea so um anyway he he does pretty well he finished uh the game with four tackles his first game back a pass defended a sack not too bad five and a half months after having surgery wow that's pretty good um

that's not bad at all. John Harbaugh says what it says about him is, first of all, he's different than most of us. All of us on this conversation aren't healing from an injury like he did. Well, no, you're in your 40s, so probably not. It always amazes me how some of these genetically superior and gifted guys manage these injuries. He said the rehab and the pain he had to endure during recovery shows his mental toughness. I'm real proud of him. He did something that's really unprecedented. It's pretty crazy because he talked about coming back.

I believed him. But at the same time, there's always a little bit of me or probably all of us that said, OK, he's talking himself into coming back. But how quickly is he really going to be able to? The fact that he was able to get back out here and play as many snaps and as well as he did is pretty impressive, I would say. No. He said, quote, it wasn't a matter of if I was coming back.

I think it was a matter of when. That's Terrell. He says, everybody in the building knew I could do it. We have a lot of unfinished business, a lot of work undone, and I just want to be a part of it. So getting back was the number one priority from the jump sure so he does pretty well that year the ravens are 10 and 6 wow and they have quite a run here they beat the cults in the wild card finally uh 24 9 then 38 35 over the broncos in a shootout. I remember that game. It was a good game. Then the Patriots in the conference championship game.

They beat New England 28-13. Wow. Which was wonderful. And then they play the Niners in the Super Bowl that year. That's the year the lights went out. Yeah, that's the year the lights went out in fucking wherever the hell they were. It wasn't Georgia. New Orleans.

Well, close enough. Close enough. There you go. They win the game 34-31 against the Niners, and they are Super Bowl champions. And he gets his ring, and he's a part of it because he actually came back and played the whole time. He plays in eight games, has a couple of sacks,

and general leadership also a big deal for him. So he's got a ring. High scoring. High scoring, yeah, 34- 34 31 it was a fun game if i remember correctly that was a i mean the the ravens defense was like that's all they talked about all always for 10 years they were that's all they talked about they were going to destroy them with defense and it was any fucking shootout yeah and and the ravens wouldn't be able to handle a shootout they all said their offense wouldn't be able to do it, and who cares?

So that's a nice story. It's heartwarming. It really is. The problem is the whole year isn't very heartwarming for him because while he's doing his comeback, he had a different type of rehab exercise, allegedly, that I don't think most people do to try to rehab an injury. What did he do? allegedly that i don't think most people do to try to rehab an injury well in september of 2012

he's accused of punching and dragging his girlfriend beside his car what the fuck while his two children were in the car watching this oh my this is candace williams again the same woman yeah a temporary protective order was placed against him and he was required to surrender his seven guns as well because he had a domestic violence protective order and maryland law says you can't have guns with you if you're mad at your wife yeah and uh you know have just committed violence against her law so he had to give up uh yeah ak-47 and all this other shit yeah he had a bunch of guns why does he have that? Who the fuck knows? Because he's T-Sizzle, James.

He's T-Sizzle, man. That's fun. Court records indicate Suggs filed a custody complaint against her on the 19th of November, which was well after this all came out. Apparently two 911 calls were received from the Suggs' address on November 21st, but no reports were made by the police. What?

Is this cops going out there seeing it's Terrell Suggs and talking it out? Is this like the New Year's Eve OJ thing or what here? How are their conversations at all? Take this shit serious. It's 2000 what? Well, even if they went- Even if they went and knocked and no one came to the goddamn door, I don't't know what the fuck there'd at least be a report i would think but there's some information down no reports generated seems very shady i don't know what's made a police

for a domestic violence too but a police right a police response can't find anybody and they're like well i guess nobody's here either that or they talked to him and decided it didn't wasn't worthy of a report maybe it was uh the the two-year-old knocked the phone over and hit the speed dial like i don't know what else you would jot that down as i mean even that the cat may have an explanation so uh warren alperstein the lawyer there told the baltimore son that candace williams sucks his girlfriend, a mother of his two children, filed a court order in November, but he declined to give further details. He said the guns were surrendered over to police pursuant to the court order, and they're resolving their issues, him and Williams. All I can tell you is that he's in rightful and lawful possession of the guns, but turned them over pursuant to the requirements of the law, which is for the protection order, because he wants to get his kids over there.

So the reason also they make a big deal out of the guns is because this is about five days after Javon Belcher shoots his girlfriend and kills himself in front of the fucking coach and GM in the parking lot of Arrowhead Stadium. So they were taking any domestic violence, and especially anything with a gun involved, real serious at this point.

Not that there was a gun involved, but any time the potential for any gunplay being involved. There is possession of one or more. They just didn't want to hear about it in the same sentence as gotten in a fight with his wife after that whole thing. So he released his own statement on the matter. And he says, quote, My fiance and I have two beautiful children together whom we both love and care for tremendously.

No one was doubting that. Probably the personal issues that the two of us have faced recently have been addressed in a responsible and adult manner and have been resolved. I dragged her next to my car. That's a very responsible and adult way to handle it. Very adult. Very cosmopolitan. Very cosmopolitan. I am certain that we will get through this matter

and move forward as a happy family. Wow. Dude, this relationship is not... It's not a relationship. We don't even have a relationship. That was his fucking actual first thing. We don't have a what yeah that's why i said i don't know what's true i'm not going to believe because i don't i don't believe it's hard to believe anything he says afterward i'm not in a relationship with that lady like it's hard for me to believe shit at

that point now so um yeah the attorney for sugss said she has lifted the petition voluntarily over and done, and he denies the allegations. They're moving forward in the best interest of the children, and they've resolved their personal issues. So he's got a.45, a 9mm, a.454 Casul revolver, a Bushmaster rifle, and two Defender 2000 rifles, which are AR-15s, and three shotguns and an AK-47. My God. He's got quite a few. Loaded for bear. He's got a few guns there.

So this is fucking amazing. The protective order is removed December 12, 2012. So from September to then, they went through, you know. Drag her from the car. Drag her from the car, do all this. By December, it's resolved. December 12th, they get rid of the protective order. They both go to court.

Yep. She has to testify. Two days later, December 14th, they get married at the Four Seasons Hotel in Maryland. Very Kobe Bryant. Like, dude, if I said, what do you think happened next? You would have said, she got arrested, he got arrested, they got arrested together. They split for good. They threw one of the kids from a moving car.

I don't know. Something. They got married at the four seasons beautiful ceremony the last thing i'd ever thought this is the most rocky this is this is the cyclical domestic violence uh stereotypical family that's the thing this is a stereotype this is white trash yes that's the thing oh man you just jumped me by about five seconds that is okay you know what you're right though jimmy you're just you know you're just concreting the point who was the ring bearer so a very scared child a very frightened child not wanting to do the wrong job

so he posted a statement on facebook saying quote last night i married my best friend in the love of my life wow wow three days ago you were in court battle three days ago you weren't allowed to be in the same fucking building with her you weren't allowed to be on the same property with this woman three days ago 72 hours i've never not been invited to wherever you were at thank god you're my best friend yeah girl that we're allowed to be around each other what were the pictures like this is us earlier leaving court where we got our protective orders dissolved and then here's us at the four seasons getting we went you know it's usually here's us getting our license no we still that's what it was we got our protective order

cleared up then went over right over to the licensing section and got a fucking marriage license most relationships can have makeup sex and everything's over they have to have makeup court order dissolvements yeah no shit man christ her son gave her away and our daughter looked like a miniature version of my beautiful bride as she stood next to her i'm a lucky lucky man you are lucky that i'll say thank you god for all of your blessings and for showing me such amazing favor don't involve him in this 4.9 million dollars that year maybe he should be thanking somebody for that so he's feeling pretty good about himself he's like i did well other people are like they weren't alone to see each other a couple days before it's very strange he's home she's out with the kids for

the day she's out with her mom they're shopping and stuff 4.9 million dollars to spend they're doing well registry done so you know t sizzles around the house he's got beats going i picture him like tom cruise and risky business this whitey tighties he's fucking sliding around on the hardwood doing all this shit right this fucked up tea having a day this gold fucking grill and shit having a day and then there's a knock at the door and he's like well what the what's that oh they should be gone maybe it's some girl scouts i'd like some cookies he doesn't care so he goes answers the door with an ak answers the door with a shotgun in one hand, an AR-15 in the other, and an AK in his waistband of his whitey tighties. And at the door, it's Vince McMahon and Dexter Manley.

They're together because they both have something to say to him. They're both there, and they both say. say how is it you've come to arrive here you beautiful bastard look at you oh my god vince vince yeah he promised he would not do this, we talked about us. We went through a photo, like a gallery. And I said, here's him with his shirt off. He's oiled up in this one. He's like, here's him posing. And he was like, I said, get it out of your system. Now, Vince was like, you know how he talks.

I like it all so much. He's really grumbly. So we're driving around, and he's looking at all of them. I said, is that out of your system? He said, yes, I am going to be professional. Professional. And then he comes in here. He's got overalls in the car. I'm not kidding. He's not kidding.

Go ahead. Okay. You can say it, Vince. Take that shirt off, please. My God, I can see your muscles bulging. Take the shirt off. Take it off. Ha ha. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Here, I'm going to get my overalls. I'll be back. Hold on. Stay right here. Don't move. Don't move.

Are you moving? Okay, good. Dexter, keep him here. It's very important. I'm going to go to the car. I got overalls. I'm going to get one. Take that shirt. Oh, God. Now it's just us now. You, sir, you're white trash. I'm sorry. This is the definition of

white trash. You're phoenix you're fighting outside basketball playing what do you it's not a violent sport you don't fight in basketball shirts are off you're fighting bleach is involved who uses bleach anyway there's you use like a like a color guard maybe or like something even for whites there's ways to get brighter whites tyrell is what I'm saying. Don't have bleach. Threatening to You're dragging a woman alongside the car, Terrell.

My God. It's white trash, Terrell. It's white trash. I got the overalls. I'm coming. Vince, Vince, we're done now. No, we're gonna. He's gonna. He'll call you, Vince. Okay, just we're gonna go now. I'm sorry. Wait. I'll leave the overalls by the they're by the door and poof in a feathered boas and 1099s they're gone and terrell is very he had gotten a baseball bat in an aka he was very confused

extremely confused with the weirdest weapons rebar and bleach rebar bleach and a car they're very and there's always a punch in there somewhere he punched me in the face then dragged me alongside the fascinating choice he punched me then hit me with a rebar that's his opener so 2000 he fights like he's like he's fighting with the the donation bin from the from the goodwill or like uh clint from love after lockup where he's punching his truck bed motherfucking crack unbelievable so anyway uh the team goes eight and eight that year he starts all 16 games makes the pro bowl has a good year makes six million four hundred thousand dollars uh 2014 they signed him to a new deal, five-year, $28.5 million contract.

Solid. Stack and dough. A lot of NFL contracts sound that big, and then they're cut after three years. He plays these out, so he's making all the money. The team goes 10-6 that year. He starts 16 games, has 12 sacks. His typical good year. He's good.

Does really well. Weeks 10 through 17, he recorded at least one sack in each game, which is pretty goddamn decent here. Two weeks later, he got a sack against Drew Brees, which he was happy about, and he became the 31st player in NFL history

to get over 100 sacks. Unreal. And first Baltimore Raven to get that. Yeah. And he makes $12 million that year as well, doing quite well. He also gets to work on the show Ballers on HBO. Yeah, he's on that show. He said about that, quote,

everybody's hanging around shooting the shit and then it's time to work. Yeah. He said hanging out with the crew, that was the big part. It doesn't hurt to have 30 or 40 beautiful women on the set either that doesn't hurt at all it was married yeah well yeah i mean i i had to bring so many my trunk is full of bleach i didn't give a fuck there's like 30 40 of them i gotta use a lot he said it was a once in a lifetime experience he said uh once he got there the producers approached him with an idea and they wanted him to be in a lifetime experience he said uh once he got there the producers approached him with an

idea and they wanted him to be in a scene with the rock yeah so he said i was like i'm gonna be in a scene with the rock holy shit that's pretty cool the scene takes place on a fictional talk show and sugs is wearing a diamondbacks hat and is a guest on the show and the rocks character is a former nfl player who accuses sugs of placing a bounty on his show, and The Rock's character is a former NFL player who accuses Suggs of placing a bounty on his head. They exchange a few words before shoving each other and falling to the floor, where they're eventually pulled apart.

What range? Vince is like, oh, God! Jesus, it's so hot. He's doing it! Oh, he's with The Rock! Oh, God, look at his balls and his back, and it's just so manly. Oh, I, look at his balls and his back. It's just so manly. I need new pants.

God, it feels so good. I need new pants. It's just so much for me to handle. So, yeah, you don't see either of their faces because of their stunt doubles and all that kind of shit. Suggs had a torn Achilles at the time. So, yeah, and Rock was injured because he was filming Hercules and hurt himself. So he said, quote, it's funny, two big athletes and we couldn't do our fight scene. He said, I want another Super Bowl ring while I'm playing, but my ultimate dream is to win an Academy Award.

Is that right? That's what he says. He thinks he's a leading man. He wants to be behind the scenes. He doesn't really want to be an actor. He wants to write. He wants to produce. 2015, Baltimore goes 5-11.

That's not great. Problem is, also, another problem, September 13, 2013, he hurts his Achilles again. His other Achilles now. Oh, no. Yep, and leaves the game. And he was a torn Achilles so he's done for the year and they lost to the broncos that that in that game and uh wide receiver steve smith said it's a heavy blow it's a tough deal he said i'll tell us this is steve smith i'll tell you this

about terrell suggs you try to define why things happen here's a tough tough break for a guy who's done nothing but work uh above and beyond to a degree and at least as hard as he worked his whole career. But I'd say more to prepare himself and be the kind of leader that you just admire so much. He's been a great leader for us. Elvis Dumerville said you can never replace a Terrell Suggs. He's a big emotional leader for our team. It hurts everybody when you hear news like this.

We just hope he has a speedy recovery and then he gets through it. I can't imagine how tough that is. Well, yeah, he's got two. Now it's both. He said he was fucked up is what it was. He said it hurt really bad to take a shower. He said it took forever to get in and out of a car with that. He said everything was strenuous because he said it was the most excruciating pain he's ever had in his entire life. I don't believe it.

That sounds awful. He was scared he'd fall on the reattached tendon and tear it again. So he said he shut down and got fat as fuck at this point. He just was like, I don't want to move. I don't want to fuck it up. He said that he was depressed at this point he just was like i don't want to move i don't want to fuck it up he said that he was depressed at that point he said you start uh you're starting at a negative 50 i'm just staying up in my room i was in a dark place yeah that sounds like it jesus christ it's miserable um so his wife at this point definitely a relationship now she files for divorce you're boring accusing him of adultery this time

he denies that accusation she requests full custody of their children who are six and seven at this point and child support and alimony uh her filing states that sugs has quote committed adultery during the marriage and that she has not forgiven or condoned the adulterous conduct so uh this isn't an arrangement, is what she said. She's pissed. She's pissed. An attorney for Suggs said that he remained faithful to his wife until they separated recently. We were on a break.

We're on a break. He's allowed to fuck whoever he wants. Who he pours bleach on is none of her concern at this point in time. Decide a ring. We're on a break. Fuck. The allegation she makes concerning Mr. Suggs occurred well after they separated. They were no longer in love and no longer wanted to be married to one another.

Wow. They said that they had signed a confidential prenuptial agreement that dictates terms of a divorce. An attorney for Candace Suggs did not immediately respond for comment on that. An attorney for Candace Suggs did not immediately respond for comment on that. Terrell filed a response to the request for divorce, in which he asked for joint custody of the children. He made $4 million that year. So, 2016, March 4th, 2016, off-season, Scottsdale, Arizona. 2.03 a.m.

What happened there? Scottsdale, 2.03 a.m., bad things happen. That's Scottsdale 2.03 a.m. Bad things happen. He's getting pulled over. Charles Barkley's arrested down the street. This is a mess. There's people pissing in alleyways. People fighting. It's a disaster.

He's booked at 2.03 a.m. that morning. What he did was he was at a Mexican restaurant in Scottsdale. I'm trying to think of an all-night Mexican joint in Scottsdale. It's got to be South Scottsdale, first of all. It's got to be Filiberto's or Taco Bell, James. That's what I mean. Well, I think it's probably Filiberto's. Probably.

Either way, or one of the knockoff Filiberto's. One of the Berto's. He apparently gets arrested for driving. He got in an accident and um the raven said terrell made us aware of the situation and we're looking into it he got into a minor one car traffic accident earlier in the night no one's hurt but someone heard it and called the cops because you have to report that sort of shit the cops pull up to the restaurant after following a trail of fluids from the accident into this parking lot and right up to his BMW sitting there.

He ran into something and broke the radiator. Yeah, he fucked some shit up. So they arrived there. They spoke with Suggs, and they learned that he got in an accident, didn't report it. And, oh, guess what he doesn't have? A fucking driver's license as well, which is why he didn't report it. So he's detained for a suspended license and that's that um he wasn't uh he said uh he was suspended due to speeding tickets they get the

arrest video of the thing and he's adamant that he has not been drinking and he's telling the cops do your little pet do your little tests come on let me give me your little test which he does and he passes he's not drunk yeah that's one. He just doesn't have a license and got in a fucking accident. And he's a moron. Get your license fixed. What the fuck, man? During the arrest, he explains why he wasn't the only one, why he wasn't the one who contacted police.

He says, if you ain't did your research, I'm an athlete. We do kind of get a bad rep right now, but driving without a license still ain't good. They'll see it as a DUI or whatever. No, they won't. So, no, it's just no license. It's worse. It's worse. Yeah, because get a fucking license.

Go get your license, man. There's 17-year-olds with licenses. Go get one. You and the DUI guy, neither should be on the road, you fucking jackass. Jesus. So he's taken to jail where he's booked and released. He apologized on Instagram, saying, my bad, y'all. Dumb ass is stop fucking driving with no license.

He's charged with two misdemeanors. And yeah, I don't know what the fuck they were leaving the scene and driving without a license. I know is one of them here is his rep. Denise White issued an official say he's got like a PR person. Now, this morning, Terrell Terrell Suggs was in a single car accident. No one was injured. Police were called in upon speaking with Terrell, found his license to be suspended for speeding tickets. He was detained by the police and released a couple hours later.

Terrell will let the judicial system take its course and fix his license issues. It's been like years about this license now it's been a while uh he uh also tells uh the uh press that he suffered a minor cut to his forehead during the crash but he's fine and um yeah what the fuck did he hit by the way the whole instagram post was mood driving with a suspended license, street cred equals 100 trillion. My bad, y'all. Dumb asses. That ain't street cred.

No. I think that was sarcastic, hopefully. Like 100 million. It's not really a big crime. The Scottsdale PD says Suggs told the cops he fell asleep behind the wheel before the crash. So that's what he said was the problem. So, yeah, they followed the fluid trail. He had a BMW 750.

That's a nice car. Nice fucking car. Those are comfy, man. I was in an Uber with those ones. Yeah, that's a nice one. Cops investigated and determined that he was not impaired and stated that he possibly fell asleep before the collision, cited for leaving the scene of an accident,

driving on a suspended license, and that's that. So he said that he simply went to the Mexican restaurant that was open so he could sit down and call a friend to pick him up. He wasn't just fleeing anywhere. He didn't call the cops first, but, you know, so there's that. Now the court here, the prosecutors dropped the criminal charge against him, stemming from the crash, saying he just has to go to driving school and make it a traffic issue. He said i'm glad this is behind me my focus right now is on the nfl season and

getting healthy coming out of my bi-week and getting my fucking driver's license he should tack on to the end so it's at this point where uh his ex-wife comes out with more accusations different ones this time uh she alleges him uh alleges him she accuses him of mistreating their children now she went to instagram to say that he was neglecting their two young children oh no she said he's been sending their children to school without lunch and making them wear shoes several sizes too small oh no um he also might not be paying attention at six in the morning. He's like, no, no, this is your shoe. Put it on. It's fine.

Just put it on. It's your shoe. I don't fucking know. I'm tired. That's her shoe. It's not. Shut up. All been there. Just put the fucking shoe on. I don't care. I'm telling you it's yours. I'm an adult. I know shit. So Sugg says that his children are his world and he would never neglect them or treat

them poorly despite the allegations. They spoke with his rep who says that his children are his world and he would never neglect them or treat them poorly. Despite despite the allegations, they spoke with his rep, who says that the claims made by Candace are flat out untrue. And yeah, she said, by the way, they're in the middle of a nasty divorce. So maybe that's what it is. He also she also accuses him of refusing to pay for clothes for the two young kids and says that no lunch money. So that's it. White here, his rep said, Terrell takes magnificent care of his children. He is a caring and present father. We normally would not respond to such a rant by an ex clearly scorned.

Terrell is disappointed that his ex would take to social media to try and paint a picture of him as a father who somehow does not take care of his children. His children remain his focus and the number one priority in his life. Terrell is a great father and that care, that can never and should never be questioned.

This will be in the movie. This will be in the movie. He's also spotted for driving with a suspended license and uh at another point here so he does that a lot jesus christ he drives with a suspended license and then i don't buy but the kid thing sounds like some shit that's just a back and forth between that that sounds like bullshit to me honestly that sounds like it could it's just something that couldn't come at a worse time it's just just bad for him. I mean, it's been her. I don't know what's been going on with her this whole relationship.

The two of them. It's a fucking mess to the point where, you know, you just feel bad when people are real bad. It's just tied together in a fucking way like this. I mean, and for him, just for him, it's I feel worse about the Achilles tendons. I mean, I feel bad about those, but not nearly jimmy as bad yeah as i feel for terrell suggs oh no truck driver with bear express yeah in the memphis metropolitan area and then i found terrell suggs he by the way got terrell suggs.net this guy oh good for him so terrell's pissed at him by the way here, here's the guy. It's definitely not Terrell fucking Suggs.

Dude looks like he goes about a buck thirty, this guy, with glasses. Big smile, like, I took your shit. He looks like Eddie Murphy in Bowfinger. Yeah, that's exactly what he looks like. That's awesome. Go to TerrellSuggs.net if you want to fucking find out. That is hilarious. He's going to see his analytics and and be like why did the traffic to

my site surge what's going on he's gonna be searching i'm about to be famous fuck he says hello i'm a dynamic businessman with more than 24 20 years of entrepreneurship in the first few years i gained pertinent knowledge that helped me overcome the challenges of new entrepreneurship through trial and error dedication and learning the accounting side of business obviously our guy yeah i now have one of the top service companies in north alabama i'm proud of my rate of my success and believe that i would have uh i believe that if i would have had a consultant from the beginning it would have saved me time money and frustration he went to the university of north uh alabama and he's doing his shit here so there you go he'll never be as famous no he's on the board of directors of the union chapel christian academy as well jesus christ i guess

yeah 2016 season eight and eight for the ravens he plays in 15 games eight sacks not bad not bad makes four and a half million bucks 2017 he is uh cited for what is this speeding and uh not using prudent reasonable speed to avoid a collision oh he got an accident got an accident his fault stupid so there you go he cited for that it looks like he has a license though at this point oh that's great i don't see yeah and he's a chart he's said to defensive driving class yeah and that was that so he's got to have a license to have yeah good job good for you terrell uh 2017 they go nine and seven he plays in all 16 games has 11 sacks it just keeps going and going he's been in the league a long fucking time he's 35 this year

yeah that's a lot with two torn achilles that's wild four million bucks too 2018 season here um he plays in all 16 games again seven sacks yeah it's it's crazy um they don't make the playoffs that year though and he said it's like a bad dream missing the playoffs. 15 years as a Raven. I would have to say this one is definitely the most devastating. I'll remember this one forever. So he said, it's just been a lot. He said, I'm planning on playing football a few more years. What? You think I should quit?

My body ain't hurting. My body ain't what's hurting right now. I plan on playing football next year and for years to come. Four million bucks he makes. By the way, he loves The Godfather. There's this whole discussion of what his movie tastes. He loves The Godfather. He said the dinner scene where Corleone shoots Sollozzo is his favorite.

You know, him and the cop. He gets the gun from the toilet. He said he loves it. He said his mindset for 2018 is Vito Corleone. And he said he's into it. Vito warns the head of the mob families that if Michael is struck by a bolt of lightning, he'll blame the people in this room. And Suggs said that scene was a masterpiece.

It was brilliant. He told everybody to leave him the fuck alone when he goes to Italy. piece it was brilliant he told everybody to leave him the fuck alone when he goes to italy so um he says that his favorites are tarantino and uh and martin scorsese so he likes that kind of gangstery they're good fucking directors too that's the other reason he loves the best movies yeah they're good goddamn movies he says uh he likes it all he He says his favorite character with Tarantino he knows the power of the n-word. He knows how to make people cringe.

He said in Django, oh my god in Django they said it 177 times. Maybe more. All I know is I watched that alone and I was uncomfortable. It's a little uncomfortable. I was like, are we just doing this?

Jimmy, you put it on. I was like, are we just doing this? Yeah. I was like, Jimmy, you put it on. I was like, Jimmy, I did not do this. Jimmy? Jimmy? Jimmy. I need to change. This is not okay. Another one he says is Scorsese.

He said he loves The Departed. He loves, oh, no. Yeah, he loves The Departed. He loves all that shit. He loves all the gangster ones. He likes the fucking, well. He loves some of the most popular movies that's weird he loves good movies yeah he said that uh he wants to produce a 500 million dollar blockbuster someday and he appreciates the art of creating a story as much as lifting weights or studying game film he's so frustrating if he gets to do that i'm gonna be furious that's not okay he can't

just give that to a guy just because yeah he doesn't know anything more than anybody else no he says he wants a boss mentality at all times everything you do you have to remember you're the head of the family i have to have the mindset of vito corleone and everything I do. Oh my god. So he's in another place here. He doesn't like roller coasters. No? Is another thing. He said the only way he'll ever ride one is with his girlfriend. With his girlfriend

is the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train at Disney, which is the little thing that's always broke down. He says also small planes he doesn't fuck with, which that's just being tall. I don't blame you even a little bit. I'm not fucking with a plane I can't stand up straight in. End of story.

And we're about the same height. Fuck that. No way. I don't deal with that shit either. Brain damage is another thing he's got. He says that he's obviously gotten some concussions. They brought up CTE, and he says, nah. Vince McMahon's like, he's perfect i love it he said that his girlfriend and his mother may be worried about his wires getting

crossed but he admits that uh he said that he admits also several ravens teammates have told him they're never letting their sons play the game because of what's wrong with them but he says he's sincerely not concerned. What? That shows brain damage is what that shows. Quote, us gladiators, us as gladiators, that comes with it. My mom doesn't want me to do it anymore, but I signed up for this. You know what I'm saying?

Whatever it comes with, I'll take it. That's what he says. He talks about his two worst concussions. He said chasing down Carson Palmer. He got hit by Ray Lewis by accident. And that those are the ones you don't see coming when your teammate gets you. That's why they get those a lot. He said he blinked himself awake. And then another time, Ed Reed knocked him out by accident.

Wow. And it's so fucking hard. Oh, yeah. He said that he's not. I think it was a knee, though, that got him like that's what happens a lot. Someone to get a knee or something like that. He says he wasn't even. I think it was a knee, though, that got him. Like, that's what happens a lot. Someone will get a knee or something like that. He says he wasn't even sure how long he was unconscious for. He just said Ed woke him up with a loud sizzle.

Sizzle, you all right? Yeah. He said he blinked himself awake again. And this is in 2004 he's talking about. He says the concussion protocol, quote, those were the days, he says. He said it consisted of true or false questions so players had a 50 50 shot jesus he said that he recalls the following do i have any do i have any fingers up yeah you have some fingers all right you're all good to play you have some fingers

get back in there buddy if you know if you don't go what are fingers you're fine i see fingers he admits at this point in his life to starting to, quote, forget little shit. Yeah. That's called, it's happening. But he can still remember plays, so that's good enough for him. Oh, my. And you have bad decision-making skills under pressure. There's so many things.

Yeah. He said, plus the NFL's trying to cur curtail concussions but he says he's never seen more concussion concussed players in his career than he has the last three seasons he rants about how the new helmets that were allegedly supposed to help and rules that pollute the minds of defensive players he said quote it was understood in the early 2000s the football is a game of instinct and at 100 miles an hour you don't have time to hesitate and contemplate, am I going to get fined? Which is true. If you play like that, you'll get hurt more.

You can't hesitate. So it's a mess. Football is one of those things, there's no safe way to play it. There isn't. There isn't. There isn't. You saw that hit last night at the end of the game. Oh, my.

That was the Cooper Cup hit. That's a great hit, though. Yes, their helmets technically collided, the Cooper Cup hit. That's a great hit, though. Yes, their helmets technically collided, but it was one man falling down from a jump and another fucking shooting up at a jump. In slow motion, that looks hard to avoid. In real time, in 100 miles an hour, it's fucking impossible.

You either have to say, this is a crazy thing that humans shouldn't be allowed to do legally. People shouldn't be able to make money off these guys doing it. Or you have to say it's dangerous and you're going to have brain damage. And is that OK with you? And know that up front, because there's no way to do both. And that hit earned the MVP award for Cup for sure.

I think so, too. He can't spell it, but he got it. Yeah. Oh, shit. He doesn't remember how to fucking spell it. He said he hates the Steelers the most. Yeah. Hates him the most. No shit. He doesn't remember how to fucking spell it. He said he hates the Steelers the most. Hates them the most. He said he remembers real meet me in the alley type threats is what he said.

We're going to talk shit. We're going to back it up. We might get into a fight while we're doing something. He said it was personal. He said, quote, we wanted to kill Heinz Ward. I had to threaten him before every play like if you crack me I swear to god I'll break your fucking neck because he would he would chop lock guys so yeah just don't do that he said Ward was a villain who would crack back

on unsuspecting linebackers and he said that after one of his many warnings he still blindsided Bart Scott and he said Ward would have gotten Suggs too if Suggs didn't dodge him at the last split second. He said after Ward broke the jaw of Cincinnati's Keith Rivers, Suggs' threats sharpened. He said, quote, I swear to God, if you hit me like that, I'm getting thrown out of this fucking league. I'm going to beat you to death on the field. That's probably why Bontez Burfe perfect was so fucking vicious out there oh yeah

those games are generally like that they're very personal they are the interconf interdivision games fuck yeah forget it he said that ward was still doing the ward just wasn't had no fear and he said part of him respects ward because damn it you love a tough motherfucker like that on your team he's like you know he's a tough bastard he doesn't care um he also says this is the stupidest thing he's ever said by the way he doesn't understand why he was chastised for hitting sam bradford low on an option play because he hit him low and hurt his knee he said but nobody blacklisted lawrence taylor for literally snapping joe theismann's leg in half a generation before he said quote, quote, he broke his knee.

Hey, man, it's part of the game. He's saying if LT's hit, my hit should have been fine. Difference is you hit Bradford in the leg. LT, he didn't hit him in the leg. He was flying and trying to grab him. No, he grabbed him and tried to pull him over. Theismann anchored himself. He anchored himself down where I'm going to go over here and not let you throw me.

And Taylor just yanked him so hard and he had his feet planted in the turf that he snapped. The force of him pulling him snapped his leg in half. That's how hard he pulled him. It's a different hit. Different. And he leapt and was being drug and then pulled.

I believe that the hit he hit that Terrell hit that he hit him like in a pile straight in the leg it's not the same thing so he says that uh he could fix the league oh yeah oh he said i would definitely change the commissioner the guy this guy gets paid more than any coach any player i would definitely change everything about that. I don't agree with it. It's my personal stance on it. Before, I thought he was just a dictator who showed his favoritism. They've stripped some of the things that he's done, but I don't know.

I'm just not a fan of the commissioner. How much does he make? A lot of money from what I've heard. I don't know exactly, but yeah, he does. He has 125 sacks so far. He thinks he's doing well. And he said that he doesn't worry about talking shit about Goodell. He says, if I get fined, I'll worry about it after.

I'm going to play, and I'm going to be sizzle. Oh, boy. That's it. He doesn't give a shit. Still wants to play. He says he's keeping his body right his secret weapon is peaches he eats peaches and that makes everything that makes him very that's the stuff huh that's it peaches are you can play in the nfl till you're 40 if you eat peaches just peaches peaches man

so he says he's doing uh he's doing great he's ready to play more football and he said this is the best i felt in five years. I can be sizzle on the field. He doesn't want to say later on, oh, did I leave too early? All right. So March 13, 2019, Suggs signs a one-year $7 million deal with the Arizona Cardinals. Is that right? Yep. Makes his debut and gets a sack against Matthew Stafford.

It was a 27-27 tie that game. Against Detroit? Yep. And then week two, they go to Baltimore, which I feel like they signed him just to get Baltimore secrets. He got a standing ovation from the fans because he didn't want to leave. They just were done with him. So the Ravens went on, had a good year that year,

but the Cardinals finished the year 5-10-1, and they actually cut Suggs in the middle of the season. Ouch. Yeah, they cut him, but no worries because he signs with Kansas City. Really? Remember, Kansas City picked him up that year. That's right. Yep.

October 2019, he wore a Star of David on his cleats during a game to commemorate the one-year anniversary of the Tree of Life synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh there. So that was nice. December 2016, he's claimed off waivers by the Chiefs and moved to the defensive end position. And they go to the Super Bowl and fucking win the Super Bowl that year. they go to the Super Bowl and fucking win the Super Bowl that year. So he makes that year off of Arizona $6,647,059. He made $6.5 million? Yep, yeah, the $7 million deal.

Oh, my. Went to KC for the rest of it and made $352,941 to go win the Super Bowl. And a championship ring. Yeah, so he retires. 41 to go win the super bowl championship ring yeah so he retires total money yeah 106 million 662 thousand nine hundred forty one dollars that is disgusting that is so much money that's ridiculous a lot of fucking money championship rings deuce deuce baby wow that is a shitload so that's wild stuff he's uh yeah and 2020, so he's retired after that. 2020, he is cited for speeding, reasonable and prudent to avoid a collision. So he was speeding and got in another accident.

Jesus Christ. Also, his house, I found on his, I will not give his address out, obviously, but I found his, I do background checks on people and shit to find some of these addresses. He lives in a house that's valued at $2,366,200. In Phoenix? It's an eight-bathroom house, 9,136 square feet. 10,000 square feet? On a 71,000-square-foot lot.

What is that, two acres? It's a lot. He's got a lot. Where is that? He bought it. In Arizona? Yeah, it's in Phoenix. It is that, two acres? It's a lot. He's got a lot. Where is that? He bought it. In Arizona? Yeah, it's in Phoenix. It's in Scottsdale.

Okay. I don't understand how this works here. It says that he purchased it for $3,495,000, and it's worth $23.3 million now. So I don't know how it's gone down in 10 years. What year did he buy it? 2011. Oh. No.

No. It should be worth more than that. It makes no sense. Annual tax is What year did he buy it? 2011. Oh, no. No. It should be worth more than that. Makes no sense. Annual tax is $17,925. Not bad. That's not bad, actually, for all that in Arizona. Now, his ex-wife has gone full-on absolute conspiracy lunatic. I'm talking she fights with other conspiracy lunatics about lunacy conspiracy shit.

Oh no. Yeah. Like she's the type that went to January 6th and fought with both sides because they all thought she was nuts. Like everybody. But they like, she's just crazy. She's just a fucking, she's a lunatic.

Like, um, we don't know. She, too much bleach is what it is. She, uh, she had Instagram accounts that she deleted where she would promote conspiracy theories. She was a Pizzagate person, I think.

Oh, no. Mass shooting conspiracy. Alex Jones bullshit. Oh, no. Sandy Hook is a hoax. Yeah, one of those people. False flag women? And it's all financed by George Soros.

Oh, you crazy bitch. One of those people. It just picks words that make certain segment of the population crazy and just puts them all in one sentence. And then they go, oh, my God. That's what they're trying to do here. So she's fucking nuts is the basic end to that. Damn it. Yeah.

Can't get enough of Terrell Suggs. Well, stick around. You just saw him at the Super Bowl yesterday. I have a feeling he's not going to go away. And he's making movies. Look for him at the Academy Awards. Yeah. That said.

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