Crime in Sports - #293 - Violence Starts At Home - The Acclaimedness of Bobby Hull

Episode Date: March 1, 2022

This week, we check out the life of a legendary hockey player, who was the idol of fans, and had the cleanest reputation that there was, during his playing days, but the facade quickly crumbled. Angry, brooding, and taking it out on his family, while womanizing, all over the place. This was a definite deviation from his public image, of the perfect family man. On the ice, he was definitely an all time great, but off the ice, his real personality was harrowing & dangerous. As if all of that wasn't enough, he also said one of the dumbest things that you can say, and is still being made fun for it!  Be an all time great, have the image of an everyday family man, and scare everyone in your family with Bobby Hull!! Check us out, every Tuesday! !We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!  Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail]  Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurder See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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A Hall of Famer. This is kind of like two legends in a row here because we had Jay Adams, who's like a kind of a, you know, a legendary skateboarder. This week, we have a Hall of Famer, Bobby Hull, the hockey player, you know, probably know of his son, I'm sure. Yeah. Brett. And then, you know, Bobby's kind of a there's a few names in hockey that even like non hockey fans know of.

You know what I mean? Like, if you don't know shit about hockey, but you're generally like sports of you know what i mean like if you don't know shit about hockey but you're generally you like sports you know that you know wayne gretzky you know gordy howe you know bobby hull bobby orr those guys there's like mario lemieux yeah the later guys lemieux you know that that sort of thing okay i got you know what i'm saying like that's the main like those older guys that's kind of the probert yeah kind of the class that you know of. So Bobby Hull. Real quickly before we get into this, I was so insulted when I saw what Jay Adams looks like. The man has my body.

Pad. Pad. It does look like someone photoshopped a blonde head onto him, doesn't it? It is so bad i saw i was just like oh christ man how could we can we look any more the good part is i never have to ask you to skateboard shirtless because i already know what it looks like you know that's helpful i never have i never go jimmy stand there with that skateboard take your shirt off no need done i do give that guy credit for standing at the side of a half pipe without a shirt on knowing how we look that is not what the fuck man and also knowing soup bag away that he could fall and hurt himself and have a yeah a burn a very bad you don't want to slide on a half

pipe with no shirt on that's a burn not on your belly on your back back. Bad shit. Bad shit. That was a wild episode, too, last week. It really was. That guy was nuts. This week, this is a weird one because this is kind of the, we're going to talk about two different people in the same person. We're going to talk about public Bobby Hull, who is a upstanding guy who's on a million commercials, the face of the NHL, you know, that guy. He's the perfect guy.

Oh, he's the, you know, whatever. We're going to talk about that, and then we'll talk about the private Bobby Hull that his family knew and that the reporters knew and some of his teammates knew and some police officers as well also knew. Talk about that Bobby Hull as well. But, yeah, he's a legendary player without a doubt. Robert Marvin Hull is his full name here. He is born January 3rd, 1939.

Oh, wow. An older gent we're talking about today. 39. 39. Yeah. Some of the shit like we're not going to talk about in-depth hockey from the 60s. We're just not. We're just not.

Number one, and it's not hockey don't be insulted hockey fans i think hockey's cool i like hockey but i i don't know enough about it it's not an inviting sport to get into late unless you yeah like you can marry into hockey if you marry a big hockey fan and they watch hockey all the time you'll you'll come around eventually but you can't it's like a religion hockey you can't just like dabble in it and then just be like i'm gonna get into hockey now where do you start it's like saying i'm gonna become jewish now like what book do i read first i read that but then what about this who do i talk to or i'm gonna become catholic where do i go the words in that jewish book are just as difficult to pronounce as the names on

the back. Yeah, that's what I mean. Are you going to become Catholic? Are you going to become something? Where do you start? What do you do? Like, that's what hockey is. So it's I know a basic amount about hockey.

I had friends that were hockey players. I know how the game works and how the penalties work and all that shit. Now, you know, basic stuff. But I'm not like one of these guys who's going to talk about the, you know, 65 fucking Blackhawks, their front line, you know, their first line was amazing. I don't know that kind of shit. I know what I hear. So right away, we won't insult hockey people with that and then bore non-hockey people

with our non-knowledge of it. I do appreciate that hockey is trying to appeal to a broader audience and get more people to give a shit about it by adapting the rules to make it a more fast-paced thing yeah that icing rule i didn't fucking understand anyway two lane two line passes i don't understand who gives a shit how far they passed it that's a remnants you used to not be able to pass over the line at all like they changed it in the 40s because now this is the fuck i read this sorry in the 40s you had to carry the puck over the line so it's a lot slower game no fast breaks

it'd be like in basketball if you told the you know the guy whoever gets the ball on the defensive you get a defensive rebound you have to dribble it over half court before you can pass it to somebody it's a boring fucking game you know what i mean no fast breaks so then once fast breaks became into hockey in the 40s and 50s that's when guys like hull excelled hull is a speed guy a uh you know a heart he had the hardest slap shot in the nhl by any stretch we'll talk about yeah he was a this guy was a freak of nature back then considered you know he was he was wild so yeah i like games that are exciting and if you can make it fast-paced, I'll fucking watch. Yeah.

Jesus. But I do like the fighting part of hockey. That's the thing. I enjoy the fighting part of hockey. That is different. Yeah, the game is faster and all that kind of shit. But there was a drama to you see a guy, oh, we just hit him against the boards. He did that.

Oh, we just took a cheap shot. You're like, oh, look at him. You'll see somebody circling. And there's a certain thing about, oh, are they going to fight? That's a tension in hockey that you don't get in other sports, really, because a fight kind of ends the whole thing, whereas in hockey, it's just a penalty. Then they'll be back. How are you going to get the teams back on the court to play in the third and fourth quarter when we just had a bench-clearing brawl in the middle of the second. Yeah, it's not like the Nixon heat in the 90s going out in the playoffs. You're like, great, for game four of this series,

how many guys are suspended now? Fuck. Who came off the bench? How many technicals are we going to rock here? So Bobby here is Robert Marvin Hull. Like I said, he's the Golden Jet he's known as. Oh. Which those are both like two golden

which there's never anything bad about that anybody think golden is positive and then jets are fast and sleek and all of that sounds like the name of a very expensive dildo though oh the golden jet Jimmy it's wonderful it needs

four double A's but boy it knows how to harness the power of your duracell but also in a it's not just pure power jimmy that's the thing it's got the pulse is correct man the shit is the truth that's the difference it is reliable it's reliable but also a display piece you wouldn't be ashamed to show it off you will not be sad when your kids open the dishwasher and there it is it's what's called the coffee table dildo it's a different type of dildo it's a coffee table dildo you display it you put it out like next to your coffee table books you know you have put it on a coaster exactly well you need a coaster jimmy what are we fucking animals over here what if one of the kids turns

it on it's going to chip the wood to shit it's made of gold very that's your table very expensive so bobby was born in point ann ontario his parents names are lena cook is his mom and robert edward hull is his dad they sound handsome as fuck oh as fuck. Robert Edward Hull is a stout gentleman. He's a big guy. He's a big, you know, 240-pound big bruising son of a bitch. He's a cement worker. He's a big, tough, he plays like, you know, rec league hockey. He's one of those guys.

And they're in Canada? Oh, yeah. He's born in Point Ann, Ontario. That know, rec league hockey. He's one of those guys. And they're in Canada? Oh, yeah. He's born in Point Ann, Ontario. That is a lot of Canadian. A lot of Canadian. This is a very Canadian family. Like, it's less Canadian than, like, Brian Spinner Spencer, which, if you haven't listened to that ever, it's like episode 40, 41. It's when we recorded in a one-bedroom apartment, so the audio isn't as good as it is now.

But the story is worth it this brian spinner spencer it sounds like one of my made-up tales it sounds like a guy playing in clogs with tulip rack record all of that with decent with decent equipment no shit just do it all over no shit clear those out and redo the stories is what we should do but the problem is that's where something started so then you wouldn't be able to go back and listen to how the shawarma man started or whatever because it all happened organically we couldn't plan any of that shit that's the beauty it's yeah it's all it's very organic so um yeah but this is like that sort of thing like you know yuri bubla fighting bears with hockey sticks. It's sort of like, you know, that's what Spinner Spencer is. But anyway, he's the oldest boy, but there is a shitload of kids.

I mean, there's a lot of kids. Yeah, it's a lot. He had four older sisters, three younger brothers, three younger sisters. Do that math. That's 11. Jesus. That is 11 children. Mr. Hull, he thinks the world's collapsing and needs to repopulate.

11 kids is too many, man. I feel like if I'm his supervisor down at the concrete, cement, whatever, I'm thinking you're not giving your full effort during the day. If you have time to make 11 kids. What time? You got energy? I mean, you're not tired enough when you go home like you need to start hauling in a couple extra bags of cement or something because i feel like you're just loafing if you're going to go home and bang your wife to that extent to where every time she's even remotely fertile you are going to implant it's a lot we are not even going to give you a raise this year. Matter of fact, we're taking $1.20 from you. Yeah.

Yeah. This is like, this is what you did like in the 1800s when four of them would live. You know what I mean? Like by the 30s, like we had a pretty decent record of, you know, childhood non-death rates and shit. Population's swelling. If you have 11, there's a good chance you're going to have or at least 10 you're gonna you're gonna see 11 adults maybe yeah you're gonna have to raise them so uh their point n is a it's about a couple hours east of toronto it's a small town few

hundred people like hardly anybody there um he uh the her his sister judy at one point said the population is, quote, about 1,000 if you count the dogs, about 100 if you don't. So that's a lot, a nine-to-one dog-to-human ratio. I don't like that. I mean, that's— I'll cuddle the fuck out of that town. Five-to-one's pretty good. You can pet nine-to-one, and then they become a pack, and I feel like you're going to— Yeah.

If you see dogs, then you're not going to go, oh, dogs. You're going to go, fuck dogs, run, run. They're going to be bloodthirsty at that point. There are no cookouts there. Those dogs will ruin your day. Overwhelmed by hundreds of dogs coming. Do you hear that? You just hear, over the hill.

What is that? Oh, fuck. All different sizes and shit. One's got blue face paint. Run! It's wearing a kilt. Oh, God! The golden lab has gone bad, everybody! Run! Run! Look at him! He's bloodthirsty. I learned to speak. I think it just said, take everything from them. It said, don't spare the children.

I swear. I heard the one up front say, don't spare the children. It's fucked up. The only industry there was the cement plant. That's what was there. If you lived there. You worked at the cement plant, period. That's it.

Fascinating. One of those places. Very gray. They said there is, though, for a long time there, a huge red, white, and blue billboard saying, Point Anne, birthplace of Bobby Hull, world's greatest hockey player. Is that right? Oh, yeah. They're claiming it.

That's some ego when you roll into that town and see that. Hmm, there we go. Yep, there's my town. World's greatest hockey player. That's some ego when you roll into that town and see that. Hmm, there we go. Yep, there's my town. World's greatest hockey player. That's me. So when Bobby was born, his son here that we're going to talk about, the doctor said, quote, the only difference between your son and you is that he doesn't eat so much, is what he said to the father. He was 12 pounds at birth, Bobby Hull.

He eats plenty. That is huge that's a enormous baby that's like fucking roy from overboard you remember trap big trap 12 pounds whatever the fuck it was i bought a bag of ice that was seven pounds and that that baby is two of those yeah that's a lot of baby a gallon of milk is seven pounds so there you take that jesus christ that's a heavy fucking load it's a load so um they said that his father was known for being able to lift the front end of a car back then too these aren't like you know plastic we're talking about a steel car like a car made out of metal back then but this could be a model t and it's just you know T, and it's just a shell of a car.

I mean, the motor's still heavy as fuck. The front end of a car is fucking heavy, period. That's where all the weight is. Yeah, I don't care if it's a Yugo or an Oldsmobile or a Suzuki Swift. Unless it's a Volkswagen or an old Porsche. The front end's heavy as shit. Yeah, there's the engines in the back. Otherwise, you're screwed.

He was what's called a country hockey player, which is, you know, rec league. That's rural Canada rec league where it's just, you know, the guys show up in homemade jerseys, I would assume. They're not really anything like that. His sisters were the first ones to take up hockey because they were older. And the Bay of Quint, I guess, would freeze over and they'd go on there. And they were the first ones. And all the kids skated from a young age, like preschool. Yeah, by the time they got to kindergarten, they could skate,

which I think was common in Canada. I really do. It's like teaching a kid to ride a bike in the States, got to kindergarten, they could skate, which I think was common in Canada. I really do. It's like teaching a kid to ride a bike in the States. I really believe it's the same thing in Canada. Get them up on the skates. Yeah, get them on the blades. Especially back then. I don't know about now.

I don't know anything about it. They have Quint? Is that what it is? I think Quint. Q-U-I-N-T-E. It's either Quinty or Quint or quint or quintet isn't that the name of the guy that was the captain and jaws uh maybe something with a q quint i think it was quint quone quent quang but this was yeah jaws is after that yeah yeah no it's like did he get his own

well way later the guy with the filthy mouth that's's awesome. So I guess Judy, the sister, was such a good hockey player and so tough on the ice that the neighborhood boys once came to her house to tell her parents to ask them to not let her play in the games anymore because she was too rough. And they were like, listen, we're tired of getting beat up what yeah you got to keep this you got to keep this broad on a chain she's fucking kicking her asses she's kicking all our asses and we can't take it now bobby gets his first pair of skates for christmas when he was four that's his first pair of skates and uh they said from the by the end of the day he was already maneuvering on them and like doing shit he was uh into it he said quote this is bobby from then on i went back every day and skated until i was exhausted i would get up in the morning and put on the porridge pot then go out to skate until breakfast was ready i used to skate all morning and afternoon and

only come home for meals after dinner i always went out again and mom and mom would have to send my sisters out to bring me to bed so he would just yes skating skate till he yeah just coming home to eat and that's it it's just pretty fucking wild he said that he remembers constantly having to shovel snow because if you want to skate you have to shovel the snow off you're your own zamboni at that point that is crazy that's tough i remember in the winter in new york like growing up we would shovel the basketball court to play right but that's not a whole fucking ice rink that's did you do the whole court or just half court oh we if we wanted to play whole court we'd be like so we're doing three on three half court, right? We run it to seven?

We brought one shovel and fucking, if we had 10 shovels, we could all get into this. But right now, I don't think. We'll just, just to the top of the key. Top of the key. Foul line's out now. Just take, clear it at the foul line. We're not doing top of the key anymore. Everybody who grew up on the East Coast.

Yeah. If you grew up in snow and played basketball, you know exactly what I'm talking about. You'd be okay with the shrinking court. You know what? It's just in the paint we're going to play today. Head fake game. It's just a lot of head fakes. We're all shacked today.

We're all shacked. Was there ice on the court, too? Sometimes. You got to the bottom? Really? Fuck, man. Yeah, you'd have to try to break it or else try to miss it or whatever know whatever like but if you brought a ball and a shovel you're fucking playing at some point yeah and by the time you shoveled some you were hot so you'd have your jacket off you'd really

want to play you know you'd be into it my word you'd figure it out so uh he says that uh i was usually one of the first ones out there for a game of shinny. I have no idea what that is. Being an American person who doesn't know shit. Jimmy, what's a game of shinny? Let's decide what a game of shinny is. What do you say? I think it's just like having a catch. It's just your shinny and the puck back and forth to each other.

It's hockey, so there's got to be violence involved. Maybe it's shooting the puck off of people's shins, I think is what it is. Ow, I got everyone's shins. I win shinny, and then you start the game. Everyone has to start a little injured. He says, and it was up to the first arrivals to clear the skating area. Well, Jesus, you'd learn quick to be late to that fucking game, wouldn't you? Yeah, no doubt.

But he was so excited. He said by the time he was eight, a childhood friend of his says, quote, he had muscles rippling all over him at eight. That's kind of creepy. And he was only 5'10", by the way, when he grows up. He's not like a 6'5", big hulking guy. He's 5'10", 190 pounds. But he's ripped, though. There's a picture I, 190 pounds, but he's, he's ripped though.

Like he's got, there's a picture I'll show you later where he's in this ad where he's got no shirt on and his fucking arms are like huge. He looks strong as shit. This guy, he wasn't a fighter. That's the other thing too. He's famous for hating fighting and hockey and like,

Oh God. And like, uh, uh, what am I? It's campaigning. The word I'm looking for. You wanted it out.

Campaigning to get rid of fighting in hockey and it ruins the game. I'm a lover, not a fighter. He's a speed guy who scores goals. So hockey fighting doesn't have any advantage for him. Look at my spread in Hockey Weekly. Obviously, I don't fight. I'm here for the ladies. It's weird, though, because the reason why he doesn't get his legs broken is because someone else fights for him.

That's how hockey works. You have a scorer. Every team with a good scorer having a good enforcer is you need it. It's mandatory because otherwise people will just tee off on your scorer and hurt him. And that's that. You have to have a guy who will come and, you know, like Marty McSorley or one of those guys that's going to come and whack you in the head with a stick if you fucking mess with the score. It's just how it is. He's in a good profession if he wants to, like, be a guy that's taking pictures without his shirt on.

Because, you know what I mean? A lot of hockey players are pretty fucking not in shape. That's true. Especially nowadays, these guys are athletes. But back then, you know, back then it was just I played hockey. I've been skating since I was four, so I'm pretty good at it. But, yeah, now it's. Yeah, they were just like wrestlers, just a flat chest.

They were just strong as shit and oxes. Not guys you'd want to fuck with, like old wrestlers. See, some of these. Hockey then is what podcasting and comedy is now because I would not be afraid to take my shirt off in some uh podcaster comedian calendar i'm not afraid because i'll look hideous yeah they're hideous don't wait until march you'll be thankful that i was in this magazine comedy comedy really weans out the handsome like Like, that's not... Yeah, it does.

You're allowed to be an attractive lady in comedy, and there's advantages and disadvantages to that. Sure. It's well-documented. There's advantages. There's definitely disadvantages to that. Yeah. Handsome for a man, like, overly handsome.

You could be okay. You know, like, neither of us are hideous. We've seen people that are, you know, horrifying-looking. In comedy, we're considered pretty fucking handsome. That's what we're saying. Look at Louis C.K. That's an ugly man. That's what I'm saying. Comedy is a lot of times like freaks of nature and shit like that.

That's when we see movie stars and they're like, I'm going to go do some stand-up. That'll be fun. We're like, oh, no. You fuck yourself, mister. No. Same thing as podcasting. The vast majority of them are are terrible thank god jimmy pitton thank you yeah well he was a he was a stand-up before that though that's how he really yeah yeah he was a stand-up i think before he did cop no i think he was a stand-up while he was trying to be an actor when he got on larry

sanders if i'm not mistaken. Is that right? Because Larry Sanders was one of his first things that meant anything, where he actually was on something and had lines. Sure. And he said he was terrible in the audition, he wasn't any good at it, that sort of shit. Well, he's terrible at comedy, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, don't do it, movie stars.

You don't need that kind of abuse. You're used to people being nice to you, for the most part. You don't need that kind of abuse. You're used to people being nice to you for the most part. You don't need a crowd of people staring at you going, eh, what are you looking at? What do you want? You're an entourage. You have plenty of money. You're good.

I was in a lot of movies, too. Yeah. So he said that, I guess his dad, all his friends said his dad would have him on the ice for hours and hours. Not owls. He'd have him for owls and owls. He'd just, him and all the owls. Just playing for owls.

That's what they bet on in Canada. That's the currency you use for wagers. They said that they were endlessly drilling him on the techniques and stick handling and all that kind of shit. So we're getting some Todd Marinovich vibes here big time off of this shit. Really young and just shaping him. Yep. I wish I could be a hockey player and not a cement worker, and you're going to do that.

Bobby himself, he says, quote, He was sometimes impatient, but he liked to skate with me. Let's try it again, Robert, he would say. Keep your head up. If the stick blade is angled properly, the puck will feel right on it. So I'm trying to teach him all the little things. So he's a junior then, yes? No, no, no.

His father's Marvin, and he's a different middle name. He's Marvin. His father was Edward, I think is the middle names. But yeah, he's the first boy of the family. So his father took over his development is what it was told here everybody says that he was his he calls his father quote a fair country hockey player so pretty decent rec league guy but he knew he knew enough about the game to be able to help with all the little things as a kid that you would you know need to know here sure so the problem is that all is his story that comes out

you know for most of his career is that he's his father is a cement worker who would get off of work and go out on the ice with him and teach him the technique and you know this beautiful story country operates yeah two day old two day old biscuits because they don't have a lot of money out there. Well, they don't even need to be two days old because it's so cold out. They just bring fresh ones out. These were warm two minutes ago. Mom cooks up a fresh batch. You get the spatula, pop one off, and you take two, one to eat on the way out,

and then the other you just throw down on the ice, frozen solid. That's it. Now it's a puck by the time you get out there. Thanks, Mom. You paint it black and you go to work this is the same thing do you remember todd marinovich in his story all of the positive articles when he was oh god in college and stuff about how he he and his father were this great team to train him and blah blah blah blah it was this big thing but there's that never you

can't really do that in real life that's very rare that that i think venus and serena williams are the only two athletes on earth that i can think of that that haven't been completely troubled afterwards based on what happened to them before you know what i mean tiger woods oh he's a mess tiger it's like it's the michael jackson effect like you can't do that to little kids and then expect you can't expect them to just follow doing that their whole life you should be an adult from the time you're six and this is with business on your mind no less like that's hard right start drawing your logo fucker come on kid think business you're a brand god damn it and they're like what i want to watch peppa pig what are we talking about i don't want You're a brand, goddammit. And they're like, what? I want to watch Peppa Pig. What are we talking about?

I don't want to be a brand. My brand is Peppa Pig, Dad. That's what I'm looking to be. Leave me alone. What's going to work is teamwork. Let's go. Let's go. So it all came out a little bit later, though, that his father was pretty abusive to everybody in the household

including the mother and everybody else and there's a lot of a lot of stories floating around that little town oh no but nobody would say anything back then that's the weird part like we'll talk about it the the hockey press would be traveling with the team and stuff and witness things and then write the total opposite about it like they wouldn't even write about that they'd write about what a what a lovely amazing family this guy has and everything meanwhile he's at his wife's throat in the middle of an airport it's fucking crazy what's the benefit of that well well there's quotes from sports writers yeah but why create a bullshit narrative when that's going to come out?

But it's a circle jerk, though. That's the thing. You prop them up. The more you prop the players up, the more people love the players, the more people want to read about the players, the more they buy your newspaper. And then the more people come to the games and the more money the owners make and the more money the players get paid and it's a circle that keeps going on and on. But you need a circle jerk. That's the problem. You need a circle jerk. And that's what they were doing. One person here, Charlie Robotham, who's a former teammate of Bobby Hull in the minors in the 1950s. So he knows his family and stuff, Bobby's family. He said Robert Sr. was an angry man, not versed in the social graces and could be very cruel to his family.

He said it's hard to imagine, but if he didn't like how Bobby was playing, he would take him to Belleville to his games and Bobby would have to walk seven miles each way or skate across the Bay of Quint that far. Robert Sr. got away with murder. It wouldn't happen today. That's some Max Verstappen shit, right?

I was just going to say that's a Verstappen. I'm leaving you at the gas station. That's the hockey equivalent. You can walk or you have to skate across a bay. Across a bay? What are you fucking? That's not a pond. It's a fucking bay.

We don't know that it's thick out there too that's my point too yeah he's gonna skate falls in what if he's in the middle and it starts to crack the kid's like 13 i guess skate faster that's why he was such a fast skater later jimmy because he had to get across the bay of quint before it fucking broke and he died in the in the in the fucking icy Canadian waters like a Molson. It's fucking ridiculous. They give him at least like a Wile E. Coyote rocket on his back?

Nope. That is crazy. Nothing. Not even a skateboard or a bicycle. I'm sure it's safe. I've seen on these shows where they go out there in cars and shit. Oh, yeah. People park cars, their truck next to their little house thing yeah that's insane yeah i wouldn't do that either that's

that's crazy you can run but what are you gonna do with your car fuck i lost my car in the lake he's by the way imagine living a place where you could literally ice skate home across the bay like just ice skate home i've imagined home what are you what are you jesus christ so very much of verstappen situation being left to the gas this guy is like verstappen and todd marinovich rolled into one here so his older sister maxine referred to her father's abuse as well in a Fox Sports documentary. And Bobby even gave hints at it with an interview in 1982 on a show called Greatest Sports Legends, saying that his mother mitigated the abuse he was subjected to by his father. So his mother would make it a little better here.

But, you know, it's an abusive household. It's a very angry 240 pound cement worker controlling 11 children and a wife and really keeping everything on lockdown now bobby hull's always the standout player always when he's a kid always the standout player he's in bantam league uh at the age of 10 and he's's the standout guy. There's seven levels. Here we go, Jimmy. This is fascinating, I know, to you. And me too.

Seven levels of competition in Canada. This is how you get in hockey, all right? We've done this with soccer in England. Now we're going to do it with hockey. There is the peewees, the bantams, the midgets, the juveniles, the junior Bs, the junior As, and then the professionals that's how you do it really yeah that's how you do it before you got to be a bantam before you can be a midget jimmy that's just the way it works so and and can you age out of those can can i still play with the peewees at probably not i mean skill level yes if you take your shirt off

maybe not they'll probably be like, nah, he's too... I'm just kidding. That's a callback to Jay Adams. But no, I think... No, it's probably there's age involved in it, I'm sure. I mean, that has to be. There's no way you can have... Because, I mean, one of the teams, he's on the bantams when he's 10.

So you can't have a fucking 18-year-old playing with 10-year-olds. You'd kill them out there. That would be pathetic, too, I would think. You wouldn't want to be. Or you get your ass kicked by a bunch of 10-year-olds. Kill them out there. That would be pathetic, too, I would think. You wouldn't want to be. Or you get your ass kicked by a bunch of 10-year-olds, and that doesn't feel good either. That doesn't feel good, yeah. You end up like Kramer on Seinfeld when he took karate class. Nobody wants that.

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So he did all of that. One guy said that played against him in the Bantams said that Bobby freelanced, meaning that when the Bantam game ended, he would go join the midget team in the next game. He was on all these different teams. He said after that was over, he would skate back on the ice with another older team of juveniles. so two up the one guy said quote he used to play hockey practically all saturday morning some mornings he'd score 25 goals in four different leagues wow that's what we're talking about here this dude is so you can probably play up but you can't play down oh yeah yeah you could play up definitely yeah that's always a big yeah you know where you can play down. So but in this, he just want to try to board some eight year old.

Let's go, kids. See what you're made of. They'd still skate circles around you. You'd be out of breath laying on the ground. Stop going so fast. Trying to trip him with your fucking stick. Little bastard. You little bastards.

So how do you do that? Oh man, that's awesome. So he played minor league hockey in Belleville and then junior B hockey. So that's the lowest kind of close to professional level, right? Uh, for the Woodstock warriors in the fall of 1954,

he was only 14 years old when he started doing this so um he was this is crazy too um this is wild because different sports it's different things in football you have you know three years before you have to be out of high school for three years before you're eligible for the draft and uh you know basketball you have to be out for one year now, and all this sort of thing. Well, he was scouted. The Chicago Blackhawks chief scout, Bob Wilson, saw Bobby Hull when he was 11. 11, they're scouting kids in hockey. NHL scout for a real team. Is that an 11-year-old's hockey career?

Not to see his own kid. Not even to see his own kid not even to see his own kid no it's just like to actually watch the hockey which is fucking crazy this guy saw bobby and decided to let's sign him now let's you know behind the scenes like we'll draft him later but let's have everything worked out ahead of time which is again what they used to do there so they talked to his father and they didn't tell bobby that his father didn't even tell bobby this was all done behind bobby's back you're not even gonna tell the kid he's got a job already his father gave chicago permission to draft him because they needed permission because he's you know a child he should be in the fucking sixth grade that's why he's still eating uncrustable yeah that's why oh huge that's a treat that's a treat he grabs a pop tart on his

way out the door in the morning and he's psyched about it if there's an uncrustable in there he's like holy shit fuck pop tarts this is so much better than a pop tart so yeah he's really he's doing again his brand is peppa pig and they're fucking yeah they're macaroni cheese is a meal to him still this is not a good one so he uh he they end up doing that um that's so weird from that day on, basically, he's willed to the Blackhawks. They own him from elementary school, which is fucking crazy. At 14, he's finally sent to Hespeler, Ontario, which is 170 miles away, to live with some strange family at 14 years old and play hockey. He has to go to school and play hockey for the Chicago minor league team. And all of this, he gets paid $5 a week.

But he's got a job. You sold your son as a hockey pawn for $5 a week. For 20 bucks a month. I guarantee you they gave dad something. I guarantee you they fucking gave his father something for him. Something that makes his job at the concrete plant part fucking time. Back in the day, that was very common. Because people's dads used to be their, for lack of a better term, their agent back then.

Everybody back then would say, yeah, it was my dad negotiated my contract. They'd come over, sit at the kitchen table. dad negotiated my contract they'd come over sit at the kitchen table and your dad who's a cement worker or factory worker or farmer would now sit down with some guy whose job it is to make financial fucking deals and that's an even playing field now and you have to your living depends on your father's ability to negotiate with this man which is insane his mother said quote i wrote him every day but i didn't talk much about what was going on in point and because i was afraid of making him homesick she said one day bobby wrote back quote gee mom keep all those letters coming with nothing in them so he said gee thanks for not telling me

shit thanks for the small talk bitch what the fuck don't open with the weather i don't want to hear it i'd like to know what's what's shaking back there with the weather. I don't want to hear it. I'd like to know what's shaking back there with the girls that I used to like. And maybe, I don't know, throw an Uncrustable in the fucking box with it. They'll be a dick. Just throw the powdered cheese packet in there. I'll make the water. Don't worry about it.

I can boil water. Yeah. Jesus. So she said he was extremely homesick, though. You know, at first, obviously, he's 14 years old. How would he not extremely homesick, though. You know, at first, he obviously is 14 years old. How would he not be out there with adults out there with? Yeah, it's really. Yeah, there's guys who are 20 who are on these fucking teams.

So he in 1955 leads the Woodstock Warriors to the Sutherland Cup, which is the Ontario champions. Champions of Ontario, which in canada probably means something because there's a lot of hockey going on in ontario oh i'm sure there's a lot yeah um he ends up playing for the galt black hawks black hawks black hawks and the uh saint catherine saint catherine's tps in the ontario hockey association as well really yeah um he will be end up joining the blackhawks at the age of 18 in 1957 stunning which is wild here the chicago ones yeah the chicago fucking blackhawks not the uh not the galt blackhawks the chicago blackhawks in between i guess these these teams if you were going to have a kid you know indentured to you that point, you still had to make sure they went to school.

That was part of it. You couldn't just be like, yeah, we own you now, kid. No school. That's nice. That's good. So he attended four high schools and was expelled from one of them for insubordination. Didn't graduate any of them, obviously. Why would you?

Yeah. He had an appendectomy at one point in there. Oh, my God. It was a big deal back then. You had to. Yeah. It's not like now where they just laser it. Back then, they cut you open.

It was a thing. They can find out if it's just enlarged and hasn't exploded yet. If it's erupted, you're in a lot of trouble that's what happened to me deep shit but that i have basically the same scar he has but his probably looks like it was done with a box cutter i was gonna say they probably did his with like a kitchen knife like i don't know we had some sort of fishing instrument we've been eating a lot of steak lately these are pretty dull but i think it'll do the job. Why not? It took the guts out of that trout last week, so I think we can take his appendix out. I think it's a good shot.

So he has an appendectomy. One of his coaches, Rudy Pilas, who was his coach at St. Catharines, accused him of being a ball hog or a puck hog in this in this particular case and also suspended him for what he called quote indifferent play he gets called a lot it's weird for a guy who skates the fastest has the hardest slap shot hardest rips wrist shot and scores just about the most goals he's accused of being a lazy player a lot like and doesn't fight and doesn't fight that's part of it that's part of why he's accused of being a lazy player because hockey hockey's one of those games and uh kind of goes that way with like northeastern and midwestern football players too like on teams if a guy is less skilled but will go out and you know give himself brain damage for your entertainment on a weekly

basis with zero regard for his body he will be beloved period but a guy with a lot of skill who even just gives the impression that he might not be giving 180 they're a fucking pariah and and and hated it's the it's everyone hated alex rodriguez because you've got so you should hit 65 home runs every fucking year if you have 43 we hate you that's the way it is at least fucking bat in october sir well they did win a world series over i think he was the world series mvp when they won if i'm not not mistaken. Or at least the ALCS MVP that year. But when they didn't, it's because he couldn't fucking bat. It's because they never had the pitching.

No, they had bad pitching. I'm a Yankee fan. Trust me. I watched it. I'm not a big Alex Rodriguez fan at all. He would disappear in October constantly. Not really, man. I mean, he wasn't the greatest, but look at the pitching.

really man i mean he wasn't the greatest but look at the pitching when you're if you're losing 11 to 2 it's not that alex rodriguez didn't fucking didn't come through in october because if he went four for four with four homers used to lost the fucking game is the problem their pitching's been an issue since about oh i don't know 1999 ish around the 2000 was the last it's been an issue since then let's just say but i'm not i'm not an a-rod fan but i mean that's the thing is a guy like that you hate him you hate him you hate him but if there's somebody scrappy with a little less talent holy shit do we love that guy it's just it's always been the way it is you know and basketball is the same thing they love that scrapper so um anyway he's not the scrapper he's the skilled guy that everybody can take shots at when he's not perfect.

So one day, September 1957, he spent the morning working out at St. Catherine's in the ice rink and played a high school football game later that afternoon. He was also playing high school football. Double fucking athlete. what's he doing imagine a guy is signed to an nhl team and he's also letting juniors in high school take shots at his knees imagine that like playing a sport that has nothing to do with ice cover fields the chances he's taking with his legs is crazy. This isn't a wide open game, I'm assuming. This is a lot of pileups here. So he ends up back at the boarding house, because that's where he lives. And in the middle of dinner, he gets a phone call from a Blackhawk scout, Wilson.

And the Blackhawks are playing an exhibition game in St. Catharines that night against the New York Rangers. And he's like, listen, why don't you suit up and hang out and come to the fucking game? Now, he's already played hockey and football today. But he says, sure, what the fuck? He finishes his dinner. And so he's got, you know, just ate a full dinner and played multiple sports that day. He goes out on the ice and scores two goals against the rangers jesus christ and so um yeah i just ate dinner i've played sports all day long and i'm gonna

go play a real life game with professionals season consequences with 30 year old men right who's who's fucking ability to take care of their children depends on this there's a lot 30 i'm gonna go play against 30 year old alcoholics whose fucking ability to take care of their children depends on this. There's a lot. I'm going to go play against 30-year-old alcoholics. Who probably drank before the game, haven't shaved in three days, and have very few teeth to their name. This is when goalies didn't wear helmets, Jimmy.

Wow. Goalies just had their heads out. Imagine that. Fuck, man. wear helmets jimmy wow goalies just had their heads out imagine that's man they're saying bobby hull by the way is one of the guys that kind of made it so goalies started getting more safety equipment because he had 117 mile an hour slap shot there was goalies getting their skulls cracked open by his fucking slap shots so that's to start you just dive out of the way of that if you have no helmet on right you just You just say, fuck this. This big stupid glove isn't going to help anything.

This is ridiculous. I mean, we've had incidents where when they have helmets on, where like a goalie's throat gets slashed. Yeah. And there's just blood all over the fucking ice. It's insane. I can't imagine how many watermelons were smashed with nobody had a helmet. Jesus. Look at the pictures of goalies from back then.

Their faces, they all look like they just had a 12-round championship boxing match, but that's always what their picture looks like. Any time of day, year, you just, hey, check it out. Snap their picture. They look like that. They've been beaten and pummeled and lumpy. How did it take so long? You know, you think the first time a guy

got hit in the head with a puck he'd go jesus fucking he's shooting that thing at me you gotta give me a helmet or something somebody's hit the first time somebody takes a shot on goal and goes we're gonna put somebody in front of that we should certainly put some shit on i would think well they give them pads and a big glove and a bigger stick, and they're like, that ought to do. The goal is short. You keep your face above the goal. You should be fine. They're going to be shooting low.

What a fucking psychopathic thing to think, right? The goal's low. I mean, well, I'm sure nobody will shoot high by accident and catch you in the fucking throat with it or in the teeth i'm gonna have you squat down and try to keep these fucking these hard rubber ass pucks out of this so crazy they're frozen too just so you know right just and you'll be frozen you won't feel it at all so he he's his number is number nine very famously he's you know big famous number nine But he originally wore number 16 and then switched to number seven and then switched to number nine because he loved Gordie Howe. And that's what Gordie Howe's number was. So that's how he became number nine.

In 1960, 59 and 60, he led the league in goal and point scoring. So that was huge. He also did it in 61 62 65 and 66 he's uh yeah he's he's badass here uh on the on the on the ice amazing and the stories about him off the ice he's just a man and we'll talk about he talks about his cattle and his ranch and he gets up at 7 30 every morning they go it's he's just mr man man uh here is something that he did that's a good thing in august of 1960 he saved the lives of members of his family when a gasoline leak in his 22 foot boat exploded what his boat exploded while his family was on

board he had a gasoline leak He had a gasoline leak. He had a gasoline leak in a 22-foot boat. So that's like the mob fucking blew it up or something. That's crazy. It's not a big boat. That's a small boat. How do you not notice there's a gas leak on that? Fuck.

I mean, his nose was probably broken, but everybody else on the boat probably should have picked it up. on that fuck i mean his nose was probably broken but everybody else on the boat probably should have picked it up you know his sinuses are constantly just crooked he's got nothing fuck yeah he deviated my ass his septums are exploded he pulled a cousin out of the boat and dragged his grandfather to shore as well um his mother was severely injured on board too severely injured to be pulled from the boat into the water so he swam out and pushed the boat to shore holy shit couldn't get her out so he just got everyone else then pushed the flaming hulk of this dead boat to shore with his mother in it wow that's strong you know that's pretty strong that's strong legs that's you can skate across a bay and shit like that that's you gotta have some strong fucking

legs to do that man and cardio push it across yeah i mean there's current too and yeah and you can't it's hard to push a boat while you swim because you have nothing to lean on you're you you have the force of you you're pushing just your. You're making your feet into an outboard motor is what you're doing. That's wild. That's moving. So he said, oh, I'm sorry, this is his wife later on, said, quote, I don't know how we lived through the fire. Bobby and his father reacted so quickly they saved us all from getting killed. That's good.

So 1961, the Chicago Blackhawks win the stanley cup and i mean he is walking on fucking air right now he can't lose he's saving he's literally dragging a a burning boat to shore to save his injured mother like it's wild man he dragged his grandfather to shore. He's now a champion. If you're a champion at anything in Chicago, by the way, you don't even have to be a champion. If your team makes the playoffs and has a memorable run in Chicago, and this isn't an insult. This is a huge compliment. They love you forever. Like, Rod played there for a year and a half but he was on that 98 team he had 51 saves and you know it was a big cog on that fucking team that made the playoffs with sammy

sosa and carrie wood and all that shit he could when he went there to do the cubs day thing that they have for all the old timers there he would have to sign autographs till two o'clock in the fucking morning they loved and this was you know this was almost 10 years later they just loved him it was great he said i could i can't pay for a drink in that fucking town i can't he goes it's insane they just remember shit it's it's why likely is the same way right it's how it is mike ditka think about it like i mean if jim mcmahon walks around chicago people be like you want me to carry you? I'll just put, you know, hey, hey, get over here, you fucking disrespectful asshole. Pick Jim McMahon. Help me pick him up.

We're going to carry him on our shoulders around. Okay? Yeah, we'll go to the, we're going to go do just a lap around the bean. All right? Okay. Let's do it. He dropped his pink and yellow Oakleys. Put them back on his head for him.

People would so fucking do that now if you, you know, if McMahon just went and went, you know, just carry me quick. They'd be like, oh, yeah,ys. Put them back on his head for him. People would so fucking do that now. If you, you know, if McMahon just went and went, you know, just carry me quick. They'd be like, oh, yeah, sure. Here, come on. 85. Fucking, they would carry him around. Carry me quick. Asking him questions about Willie Galt and shit.

And he'd be like, okay. So 1962, whatever the fuck this is, the Chicago Festival of Leadership declares him Chicago's leading athlete for 1962. Is that right? I don't know what that is. I don't know if that's a big organization, but it was listed places. So I had to add that. They have the Cubs, and that guy's the most important. He's the leading athlete.

Yeah, they have the Cubs. They have the Bears. I mean, George Hallis, he's not an athlete, but he owns everything. And they have all that shit. So it's at this point where people around here want him to go into politics. Some of the local political people are talking to him. Hey, you should run for office. Everybody loves you.

You've got this great clean-cut image. It's perfect. loves you you got this great clean cut image you know it's it's perfect uh one guy they said uh named red kelly they said he had a seat in the provincial provincial uh legislature while he was playing for the maple leafs they said he'd go from practice over to the thing and he'd do his job and he could do all of that and uh hell said he couldn't do it though he's like i play in chicago i'm not gonna go i'm not gonna have to have to get on a quick plane to fly to Ottawa to fucking vote on something. That's crazy. It's too much.

Logistics can't do it. I don't want to do it. This is an interesting one. Something that happened to Hull in a bar, a bunch of his friends said here. He's a drinker. a bunch of his friends said here he's a drinker okay yeah uh but once the the stories like this are like this adds to your legend in a good way if you're like a tough guy athlete this isn't bad he said quote one day after a white socks game a bunch of us were sitting around a michigan avenue bar having a few when this guy comes up and starts getting pretty obnoxious i tell him get lost creep

sounds like something a woman would say i tell him get lost creep sounds like something a woman would say to a guy get lost creep or a seven-year-old and he looks at me and says quote you know something buddy you're a and he doesn't say you're i guess a curse of some kind i reach across the table grab his tie give it half a turn and cork him one there you go 1930s thing to say i gave it half a turn and i cocked him one see i cocked him good he came in i said i'll tell you what i gave him the what for that's right he said that with suspenders and a bow tie then he started flipping a nickel yes see what i mean i'll tell you what uh he said then it gets even more he says quote then i slam his head down on the table and it breaks a couple of

beer bottles jesus the last i see of him he's crawling out the door on his hands and knees later i find out he's a small time hood and packs a gun i've never been back there since he just beat the shit out of a guy that's armed he just beat a guy up i remember he might not be armed at the time but he might have been going to get one so he said yeah that was it i never went back to that bar again decided uh not to so uh 1963 in the playoffs against detroit his nose and basically all of his face is just shattered he's just destroyed his face is broken in by a stick so uh oh god yeah he has his face smashed in by a hockey stick got high sticked yep um he was in bad shape um they thought that he's he's done for the series his face is broken all of it like right he's gotten he's not coming back he missed one game and then

he showed up in detroit for the next game after that they're like still swollen what are you doing and then for the rest of the series he scored eight goals three of them in one game wow with his eyes swollen i don't even know how he could see yeah i don't understand it here um also they talk about here's some some wild times one time there was a train ride from boston to montreal and bobby and a teammate named ron murphy broke into a case of railroad flares you know for emergencies and shit there they lit them and threw them into the other into their teammates rooms their little tiny train rooms,

they lit them and just threw fucking flares in there. Somebody's fucking state room? Filling the tiny room with toxic fumes and fire hazard. Maybe there wasn't a gasoline leak on that boat, now that we're thinking about it. Maybe he's like, hey, look what I got, and he blew his fucking boat up. thinking about it maybe he's like hey look what i got and he road flared blew his fucking boat up um so this of course caused a huge thing on the on the train everybody had to run out filled the

thing with smoke they thought there was a fire they had to stop the train well there was a fire yeah 599 dollars worth of damage uh this cost the team and the general manager called a team meeting about this he said all right who did it and uh bobby says quote i decided somebody better say something so i piped up i did sir and he said the gm just said that's all i wanted to know and walked away have a good day guys have a good day wanted to make sure it wasn't anybody in the edge of the roster because we could cut them. Oh, it was the star player? I want to see if I can save some money.

I cannot. I will be leaving. Never mind. All right. Moving on. See myself out. That was it. He's never heard about it again.

That was it. Now, here's the thing that doesn't come up much because it's not in his image. Well, this comes up a lot. He meets his future wife, Joanne, here. Now, they talk a lot he meets his future wife Joanne here now would they talk a lot about him and Joanne he makes a joke later because everybody says Joanne was the key to his image so he makes a joke that uh everybody says Joanne made me a millionaire but I had three million when I met her is what he says like so that's bullshit I had it which he didn't have three million when he met her but that's his way of saying like I was doing fine before I met her is what he says. Like, so that's bullshit. I had it, which he didn't have 3 million when he met her, but that's his way of saying like,

I was doing fine before I met her before all of this, uh, before he's even 20, when he's in the minors, he has a wife, he's married and divorced and also has an illegitimate child floating around out there somewhere is what everybody says. That's what all the press says.

So he's got a lot going on, but they don't even mention that. That doesn't fit into the narrative here. Yeah, the narrative has to be perfect. It has to be perfect. So yeah, he meets his wife, Joanne. She's a figure skater, as a matter of fact, like in a show in Chicago.

That's why she's there. He says, quote, it was Christmas time. Joanne was performing in an ice show in Chicago. I showed up at the arena one day for practice, and there she was swinging on the ice. And they were married two months later. So, yeah. It's easy to fall in love with an ice skater's ass. It's impulsive, yeah.

Oh, look at those thighs. Okay. I like that. Two months later. around oh sorry sorry sir sir golf yeah oh jesus my bad sir guy oh boy he said he was only she said he was only making 8500 the year we were married and 12 000 the next year so by the way he's the leading scorer in the league and that's what he's making 12 grand 12 grand yeah that's how it works back then they were saying how uh who was it i think it was uh ted williams or whoever like a that in the late 50s the top baseball players making a hundred thousand dollars a year top hockey player in the whole league is making 25 000 a year so that's that's the difference in i mean hockey isn't a giant tv sport too it's right it's

regional canada's only got a lot less people population it's you don't have all the same things so anyway uh they end up having three sons in four years okay or three sons in three years i guess yeah i guess it would be um they have uh bobby jr up first of course you think this fucking guy's not going to name his kid after himself not after his dad after him junior juniored him up a year later they have blake another one and then two years later they have brett who is uh as we know i think he probably a fucking hall of famer, maybe, or near close to it. A goddamn very good and accomplished hockey player in his own right in the NHL. His third one.

That's his third son. Yeah, that's the third one. They end up having more. They have a daughter. They have a son. They have more here. All his boys have B names. The youngest son's name is Bart.

Just ran out of them. Ran out of B. Brett of b brett can you think of another b name bart that's kind of a i guess it starts with b write it down bart she said bart's a b name jesus so they uh they have all this they say at this point this is when we start getting some press accounts of their idyllic little life uh they one said they lived in a surprisingly modest three-bedroom bungalow in a working man's suburb call of chicago called addison they own the house but live there only during the hockey season yeah so they're just real humble down-to-earth folk you know so so set on bees he even bought a place that's a bee that's a bungalow he was very upset

one more baby we're gonna have to name him black beer well he was really pissed that he had to live in addison he's like there's not a b-town anywhere near here this is bullshit this is bullshit how about that there's one for you bullshit you live in add live in Addison? I thought you liked bee things. Yeah, I know. It's bullshit. It's bullshit that I have to live in Addison. That's what makes it perfect. I call it bullshit Addison, and then it starts with a B. It makes me feel better.

Better. See? It keeps coming. So they describe, well, this is right from an old article, quote, Joanne is a slim, frank, outspoken girl, blue-eyed and freckled, with short auburn hair. By the way, this is from a press article. A lot of stuff we're going to talk about is from a book, by the way, called, quote,

The Devil and Bobby Hull by Gare Joyce. G-A-R-E Joyce. A lot of this comes from. So, you know, just to give credit where credit is due, my friend. So, yeah, where is this here? I lost my place there. Okay.

So, oh, wow. She was an ice show skater and met Hull six years ago when the show played Chicago. The boys, whom she calls my mutts, those are the kids, my mutts, are an enormously energetic handful built along their father's burly lines, all with light blue eyes and great thatches of hair so blonde as to be almost platinum. By the way, that's not even true.

It is when the reporter sees it, but it ain't all natural. This image is so cultivated, and it's ridiculous man they're dying children's hair we'll talk about it let's just let's build the image first let's build the image of the family these cherubic platinum haired light blue eyed angelic even running around the fucking place and she's down to earth a down-to-earth hot figure skater calling them my mutts this is just all so folksy uh quote when they're into my mutts real loving when they're indoors they roam across the living room's royal blue rug like balls of prairie thistle in a high wind yelling crying laughing slugging one another, standing parade ground, still for admonition, tearing off.

Okay? Wailing, giggling. In short, they're boys. So, yeah. Boys can destroy your house when you're back in the 60s. That's a poetic way to say these children are fucking out of control. Yeah. Joanne, with the help of a quiet, a quiet bespectacled girl named sheila

who lives year-round with the hulls battles gamely to maintain law and order with her mutts running the motherly gamut from cajolery to high-pitched shriek kissing them belting them fawning on them jesus christ hauling them apart by the hair i don't think that's allowed if anyone wrote an article like this now you'd be arrested before the end of the first day it was on newsstands slumping to the couch at the end of a day when the three sweet-faced boys are bathed have peered scrubbed and angelic uh and angelic at lassie and walt disney on the color television in the living room have been bedded down and hugged and kissed good night so that's what that's my that's the image is he's out doing his hockey stuff and he's got this

amazing awesome little wife at home that'll pull her kids hair and knock them around and shit amazing awesome little wife at home that'll pull her kids hair and knock them around and shit he's got a nanny and just at home it's just as just like this is the it's just like you it's one of those articles yeah aren't your kids unruly and running around and you're tired at the end of that too we're relatable as fuck that's what he lives in a little house you know and his kids are unruly so um another thing they talk about is the ranch in one article they he's very proud of a picture of a brown and white bull uh here which he called he said uh quote it's a hereford uh hardy and hereford uh it's named for hardy and gene schroeder who developed the breed this one one weighs 2,200 pounds. He's two years old.

The man who owned him before I got him refused an offer of $75,000. Holy shit. I don't know how much he paid for him, but they say that Hull's passion for purebred cattle is a vital part of his life, just as vital a part of his life as his kids that are in this picture that they're saying. So they said he bought a 600 acre farm near the eastern Ontario community of Demort Demortville, not far Demortville, not far from Belleville in the area of the Bay of Quint where he was born and raised. There you go. So Hull and his brother, Dennis, they bought it together.

Dennis, by the way, by now is in his second year with the Blackhawks as well. So he's got his brother playing with him. They bought 160 cattle to stock their ranch, and they have seven bulls in the herd, which Bobby estimates are worth $120,000 for all have seven bulls in the herd which bobby estimates are worth a hundred and twenty thousand dollars for all of his bulls not each but yeah he said his prime interest in cattle is in their breeding he wants this he likes to search for new and productive bloodlines he said quote this is likely the best herd in can, and I'd argue it's the best in the world. Okay.

There you go. They talk about his home life. He doesn't. Jimmy, what do you think he is? Do you think he likes putting on a suit and going out to a five-star restaurant and doing business things? Well, does he dress like a Texas oil man

when he goes out, or does he go out? He's a backyard burger flipper. What do you think, Jimmy? Yeah. He's got to kiss the cook apron. Oh, you know it. Come here. But he's got dress pants and dress shoes on like in the 60s while he's doing it.

Those white loafers. He says he can't get home fast enough. Quote, I come home from everywhere in a hurry. I don't like big hotels or fancy dining rooms. I'm uneasy in them. I'm just like you. I don't like big hotels or fancy dining rooms. I'm uneasy in them. I'm just like you. I'm folksy. Quote, he feels most relaxed, relaxed, holding a hockey stick or wrestling a calf. In the spring, he fixes fences on the farm, recedes the meadows, plants corn and oats and hay,

drives tractors, plows and combines, working with his brother Dennis, his brother-in-law Bill, and a friend Ralph Richards. In addition to the grazing pastures, he has 75 acres of corn and 75 acres of oats, and he takes off 10,000 bales of hay. Bobby tattoos calves, indenting their ears with pinchers

and applying indelible ink. He supervises the breeding of the cattle and watches his kids romp. He drives the four miles from his summer home on the bay to the farm by 7.30 every morning and returns in the early evening. His sister Maxine, who lives with her husband Bill on the farm year-round,

feeds the youngsters and the men around noon. My God, you know what I didn't hear anything about is fucking sleep. When does he rest? Not at all. No, they're trying to, this is the 60s. They're trying to tell you, he lives, this is Bonanza. He lives in Bonanza.

Yeah. Think about the marketing here. This is totally his family, his sister, sister-in-law, her sister's ringing the dinner bell for come on, come and get it. And they all fucking come on. They all like ride in on their horses and dismount and fucking eat at the table dusty and then ride back out gotta go reseed some more fields and wrangle the herd gotta go wrangle the herd now see it dinner see it supper time that's how they're trying to make it out like he is that's he's he's bonanza period um so if you don't know when crystal pepsi was discontin, what was in Al Capone's vault,

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For 220 acres? Of good land. Yeah, that would be. Holy shit. Back then, though, that was like $2 million. It's a lot. It's like $10 million today. Oh, absolutely.

So he said, quote, she said, I keep telling you it's because you're Bobby Hull. Tell them you don't want it and they'll come down on the price. He said, oh, Joanne, people aren't like that. And she said, the hell they aren't. So this is how they go back and forth. But see, they're just like you jimmy this is all so expertly planted like subliminally back then when people were way more naive to marketing back then right now yeah you read a like a fluff piece article on somebody now you you sense the

marketing you know the buzzwords you can find it yeah back, if you couched it in something like this, people bought it fucking full sinker, man. Twitter's already annoying me. A guy that I really like just posted a picture of him and his dogs and is like, here's a picture of me and my dogs. You know, when I'm at home, I really like to, and then it's a dog food ad. I'm like, Joe, why are you doing this to me? Stop doing this.

I just want to see your dogs that's what i mean but back then people were complete they didn't know it was happening that was being sold very hard this is the just like you not only they yeah they're tired after a long day with their kids they work hard they get up he's out he's mending fences and shit at 7 30 in the morning and the dinner bell and then also they're worried worried about their finances. Ooh, that's kind of a high price. Ooh, we're going to have to negotiate. Don't know if we can quite swing that. Just like you.

You charging me that because I'm Bobby Hull? Is that why? Just like you. That's amazing. So he said, Joanne, this is the article, Joanne turned to me. Bob doesn't think anyone would try to ever take advantage of him. He's too, what, modest is what Joanne says. He really does downgrade himself.

It's the difference in our upbringing. I think Bob's dad's way of being an admiring father was to tear him down a little. My family was always praising me. So I give him that I praise him. For example, I honestly feel he's worth $100,000 to hockey. And then Bobby jumps in and says oh Joanne for Pete's sake so this is so carefully

fucking oh Joanne oh don't you say that don't act ungrateful about what we have and you know oh don't act like I'm a big deal in all this but it's also just like your wife would want to prop you up just like it's so oh my god it's calculated as fuck.

And she said. Also because half of that $100,000 goes to her probably. She said, yes, you are. And they were like smiling here. She rubs his knee and shakes it. Yes, you are. But the owner of the team is James D. Norris. She goes on to say, but he wouldn't tell Mr. Norris that.

He and Mr. Norris get along great, but he wouldn't ask for $100,000. That story from Hawaii last summer about Bob wanting $100,000 a year, that wasn't for real. Oh, he might have muttered something about $100,000 being a nice round number, but he doesn't really think he's worth that. He wouldn't actually ask Mr. Norris for and uh come on mr norris come on mr norris jesus christ he said that uh you know he makes endorsement money and stuff so he'll be okay um they they asked him uh if it are you usually calm when you're at home because you seem calm now and he said yes i guess so. Nothing really bothers me here.

So it's all good. This is my peace. This is my peace, my salvation. Now the wife jumps in here, Joanne, and says, quote, if he doesn't score any goals, he's unbearable, which is great. He sits around this house bitching all day. Once again, though, this is because he's so like you at work. You care about doing a good job because you want to be the best, just like everyone out there does. This is, again, that way you know that he's not just, I don't care what happens, I'm some athlete. He takes it seriously, man.

God, it's so calculated. It's beautiful because there's no athletes today that do that, but it's because we know what they have. We know what they make. We know what they make. We know exactly what's going on. You can't be an everyman, Steph Curry. You can't do it. Nope, ain't happening. Don't try.

We get mad if you try. Fuck you, LeBron. I saw you in a movie. But back then, you could get a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,500-square-foot house and wave at your neighbors and everyone was like, he's just like everyone else, and that's how it was. Right. So she said, and he doesn't score any goals. He he's unbearable he's not fit to live with and he

knows he can't be talked to the day of a game he just won't admit it and he says laughingly joanne you imagine things and she says oh bob nobody dares to speak to you on the day of a game you're impossible to talk to and he says grinning well you bug me and then they're laughing god she says quote she says quote yes i know dear smiling but you'll admit i bug you most of the day i bug you most on days of a game this is like they took writers from a terrible 60s sitcom and they said we need a fucking back and forth because this didn't happen this reporter did not go over there sit in their living room and take down the way this happened this is some fucking guy laugh track after lucy went off the air this is someone who needed work and they were like employing him to make up fucking stories like this is what it seems like to me it's crazy it's like the old wrestling magazines like the

70s 80s wrestling magazines they'd have like an interview with this guy but they never interviewed that guy they were just do an interview of what in his voice they didn't care that's how it worked we're gonna make you say some shit don't worry we won't make it embarrassing no it would be whatever pushed their character along better that's how they did it so um she then crossed to him and sat on his knee. See what I mean? But she's going to give in to his thing. She's going to sit side saddle on his lap too? Oh my God. And she said, quote, you didn't even kiss me hello at the airport. I almost was coming for your autograph.

Even his wife. See what I mean? That right there, I almost puked reading that whole thing. I'm like, this is the most manufactured, calculated. that whole thing i'm like this is the most manufactured calculated either a reporter went there and they acted this whole bullshit out based on some shit that they had planned out earlier or this never happened and this guy just said i'm gonna write an article about your family you're gonna fucking love it you're gonna look like you're gonna be smelling like roses at the end of this fucking thing let me tell you what this article brought to you by ajax at your local market clean it right up so uh march 12th uh 12th march 12th jimmy that's

that's a day march 12th 1966 he becomes the first nhl player to score more than 50 goals in a season really yeah maurice richard rocket richard uh and bernie uh i don't know how the fuck to say that geofrean um and also bobby had all got 50 goals before but no one has had more his 51st goal against the rangers earned him a listen to this it's a home game 51st goal earned him a seven-minute standing ovation. Seven minutes. Seven minutes of standing ovation. The whole host set. That is fucking crazy. That's like I watched an old game.

The guy, was it the Patriots guy who had his neck broken? Stingley. Yeah, Darryl Stingley. the Patriots guy who had his neck broken, Stingley. Yeah, Darryl Stingley. Stingley, when he came back to a game after he had been, they thought he was going to die and everything, and then he comes back, he's in a wheelchair,

they bring him up, he's in the press box, and they do a thing and announce him. And they had such a longstanding ovation that they tried to run a play and couldn't hear anything and had to wave it off and just wait until the fans were done. The fans literally, because they gave it like two minutes and then they were like, okay, let's start playing again. And the fans were like, we're not fucking done cheering yet. We don't care about what's going on.

They're all sitting right there. Yeah, so that was a thing that I remember that. That was really cool. But this is seven minutes. That's so much time. Yeah, he scored 54 goals that season, which was the single season, highest single season total ever at that point. And that same year, he set the record for most points in a season with assists with 97, which was one more than the previous record, which was a seven-year-old record. So, yeah, not bad at all.

His slap shot around this time clocked at 118.3 miles an hour. Oh, my God. For all you non-U.S. states people here, 190.5 kilometers an hour. Holy shit. Fast as fuck. You're not even allowed to drive that fast anywhere but the Autobahn. He could skate 29.7 miles an hour, which is 47.8 kilometers an hour. And his wrist shot was claimed to be harder than most slap shots, which it was.

The average slap shot was like 90 miles an hour back then. His wrist shot was 100.7 miles an hour. So that wrist shot was 100 100.7 miles an hour so that's just a flick of that's a wrister i mean that's you're not even hauling back on it so um yeah he there was a game here where the whole crowd was just like like one of these like how the fuck did that happen one of his slap shots hit somebody's stick and ended up in the 34th row of the stands. That's the kind of force that was on it. Holy shit. It smacked it out of his hands and flung it fucking 35 rows deep.

He hit a slap shot and the guy deflected it with a stick and off the stick it shot fucking 34 rows. Oh, it put the puck up there. Yeah, the puck. So, not the stick. That would be amazing it's so hard i'm like out of his hands and then i just pictured it he's got a grip with the gloves and pow and it just he looks at his hands oh my god that's a special effect in a children's show and you can be like shooting it out of your hands with a shotgun yeah that would be the same the same thing

so it was a big deal here one goalie Lome Worsley of Montreal Lome he got hit in the face with one of his shots three years before that and he says the only reason he wasn't killed was that the flat side

hit him instead of the edge. Wow. The physics saved his life. Yeah. Wow. More surface area. A Minnesota goaltender, Cesar Managio, he was knocked out for several minutes by a hull shot that just glanced off the top of his head. And after that, started wearing a face mask against Chicago.

Only against Chicago, though. Against Hull shots, he wears the old-timey Jason Killer cereal mask. It was a goalie mask back then. That's where it came from. Bobby said that he knows he can hurt somebody. He understands he can kill somebody with it. But what's he going to do? He can't worry about it. He understands he could kill somebody with it, but what's he going to do? He can't worry about it.

He's playing the game. He says, I'm certainly not out to maim anyone, but the goalies take their chances. Hey, don't stand there if I'm shooting it, motherfucker. So one guy here, a New York guy, sports writer for the Herald Tribune, he's been writing about hockey since the Rangers started in 1926 in Madison Square Garden. He says, the plain fact is that any time Hull gets a shot, it's a potential goal. He is the most spectacular player in the game, and he may be the greatest from this point of view that hockey has ever known. In spite of the fabulous Rocket Richard and Gordie Howe,

Hull is a popular figure with the crowds, too. Even when he is murdering the home team, there's never been a faster skater or one with stronger leg action. It's very likely that Hull fires that puck faster than any man who's ever played the game. So that's how he's thought of. Here's another thing, though, about his energy. Like I said, they say that he loafs sometimes. They said that sometimes, you know, they think he's loafing. And he says, no, it isn't loafing. It's experience. You don't waste energy. You pick your spots and you go

when you know you have the edge. It's an instinct you get so that you can anticipate when you should outrace somebody or out body or outmaneuver somebody you can sense your opening and react there's a lot in knowing what uh you yourself can do if you see an opening something tells you you can make it or not make it and being in shape is the most important thing if your legs aren't going fluently nothing ever gets coordinated so yeah he's just saying saying fucking why skate fast to a part? Why waste energy skating hard to something that I don't need to skate to when I can use that energy to shoot between two guys and score a goal later? Anything should be efficient.

And that's one of those things where if a guy is producing, I think you just go, well, that's how he does it. That's a good way to do it, I guess. So his dad here, this is fucking funny. His dad, this is in the early 1970s. His father is criticizing his son, Robert, his father, criticizing Bobby to the media publicly. Oh, don't do that, Dad. He said, quote, he should score two or three goals every game,

but he stinks the place out every time a gang from Point Anne comes down to see him. Wow. We drive our asses all the way to Chicago. Stinks it out. Wow. That is fucking wild. But I drive down there to see him score three, four times, and he gives me nothing. Doesn't do shit.

Skates around with his thumb up his ass yeah so his and this is when his endorsements these are why these stories are important because then you get endorsements it's worth big money um he's making way more endorsements than he made in that he makes in hockey at this point yeah way more he's uh he's got his own i guess a monroe the monroe company that makes table hockey's he's got his own, I guess, Monroe, the Monroe company that makes table hockey games. He's got his own model of those. He's got Bauer skates. He's got his own model, which makes sense there. He and his son do a milk duds commercial together.

Yeah. Yeah. They go out on the ice together and they're eating fucking milk duds for whatever reason. I don't know which son, but someone's eating milk whichever one's cutest yeah um he does alga uh algonquin beer does ads for that sure this is fucking hilarious too he's got a bunch that are that are very funny here uh one is a hair product by the way he's losing his hair rapidly but he's oh i fucking relate now we're now we're the same guy fucking hilarious it has now been seven minutes since you said he got seven minutes of approve of applause can you imagine that is so long it's a long time of we've talked

about so much shit you get so you'd get bored applaud like taking that much applause by then that's so long so he uh he did um let's see here he's got what is this he's got sticks pucks t-shirts he's got all sorts of shit he said in this year i think it was 67 he was going to make at least 50 000 and then he signed a several year six-figure contract with a canadian company to produce a whole line of Bobby Hull hockey gear, specialized pads and all that kind of shit. Another one that's fucking funny here is the Janssen Activewear, which is hilarious.

Janssen, J-A-N, what is it, T-Z-E-N? Yeah, Janssen. This is fucking great. It's him and shirtless, by the way, on a Hawaiian beach. By the way, this shooting of this ad is legendary later on because something very awful happens here. So it's him in a bathing suit, shirtless. Next to him is Jerry West in the middle. Basketball player. The basketball player.

The basketball player. The NBA logo is what he is. Right, yeah. And then Frank Gifford, who was the New York Giants star running back and then did Monday Night Football forever and then was just known as Kathie Lee Gifford's husband. And the lover of anal. And he loves him some anal. I'm looking for the Red Dawn right now. and he just went all up in kathy leegan so they're all standing there okay and uh it's it's pretty fucking amusing the whole the picture of them as we'll show you here because i have a picture

jimmy roll your chair over what is this i think i'm not gonna show this football guys there it is okay okay now in the middle is jerry west looking pretty thin because he's six foot six and he's a basketball he's a six foot six basketball player right uh he's holding a skateboard this right mid-60s skateboard which is very frightening looking then uh to the right to jerry's right, we have Frank Gifford, who looks confused as to why he's there. Where are we getting anal, boys? Gifford and Hull are, look at them. They're talking and laughing. And Frank's like, huh?

What happened now? He's just thinking about that girl's butthole right off out of frame here. Bobby is holding a surfboard. He's a lot shorter than them too by the way he looks a lot shorter definitely thinning hair look at his arms though guns wow look at those things he looks like an athlete he's got wrestler arms and like his thighs are fucking huge that's look at frank gifford's skinny thighs how are you how are you plowing a ball through an offensive line with those skinny fucking thighs he's got a chest like i do that guy was a legend look at him unbelievable that

is fucking wild so that's for jansen sportswear those three nothing says uh hockey sportswear like standing on a beach in hawaii with a surfboard yeah so the best though is he's balding pretty rapidly and becomes the celebrity pitch man for dandruff shampoo oh okay one of his very few problems that he doesn't have here yeah um that's fucking funny so the world is his oyster they come over they tell the all these stories about what a wonderful guy he is he skates the fastest shoots the best looking muscular on the beach next to fucking uh frank gifford everything is wonderful couldn't get any better he's a champion they want him to be the fucking mayor grace grace grace grace grace grace what a life he's having triple grace man it's all good so um there is uh 1968 is uh now we'll talk from then on.

Joanne, there's a reporter that that talks to Joanne about Bobby and and hockey. And he the reporter asked, is there a bit of worry about him like on the ice? And she said she does worry, quote, Bob has had some bad injuries. I'm upset about his treatment by the opponents on the ice. It's unfair to the game and it's unfair to Bob. She said that she was worried about hockey's violence and she said that neither of them like it in hockey, the violent part of it. She just doesn't understand it.

violent part of it. She just doesn't understand it. She says, what do you do when he's on road trips? And she said that, Jay asked him about, is he going to retire soon because he wants to be a farmer? And she said that their country life is marvelous and she's looking forward to retirement. She said that she thought spending time on the farm year round would be, quote, wonderful for my boys. And then she said her and her husband were looking forward to, quote, becoming full-time farmers. Oh, my. So, but, now let's get the but part. Yeah. But she hates the fucking farm, Joanne.

Yeah, she does. Hates it. She's born in L.A. and raised in chicago stop it doesn't give a fuck about farms yeah and also that lady to rural ass canada she's a she's an ice skater in a show you know how they grow up they grow up their family has to pony up a lot of money to send her to a night you know it's not a rural thing really she didn't learn on a on a bay she had to be in a rink for that type of shit she didn't like the uh the farm um she didn't want to retire there she had no fucking interest in that oh the platinum headed kids remember those kids very platinum headed um joanne actually dyed

blake's hair blonde so that it would fit in neater with the other kids. Can't have two blondes and one kid with brown hair. That'll look terrible in pictures. So you want... You gotta say three platinum blonde. It just flows better for media. And this kid with an inch of roots. Yeah.

Jesus, touch your shit up, Blake. What the fuck? So that was better for the commercials and all that sort of thing and um the other problem is that uh there was some some violence at home from what everybody found here and uh let's talk about why reporters don't report things that they see back then like you were like why would they they hide that? Well, here's a former New York Times sports columnist, Robert Lipsight, and he said that sports writers were delivering what was expected and desired. He said that the public, quote, is primarily interested in the affirmation of their fates

and prejudices, which are invariably based on previous erroneous reports. So whatever your brain wants to see that's what they want what it wants to see whether that's the right thing or not you know i was watching this show and this they had some idiots did a it was at a best western plus in like the middle of idaho so it wasn't a big deal but they did a mandela effect conference okay where like 14 very sad people gathered in a room to talk about how the mandela effect if you don't know what that is i don't know whatever but it's the mandela effect is when a collective memory it's the there's the the million different ones that uh you know sinbad was in the fucking genie movie there's the the Berenstain Bears instead of the Berenstain Bear.

All those, right? And Mandela died in prison. And Mandela died. By the way, that one. Yeah, Mandela died. But I don't remember thinking he was dead at all. I thought he was alive. I don't remember that one at all.

The one that it's named for is the one I remember the least about that. I always thought he was alive. Like I never thought he was dead. So anyway, they have this conference and these people, rather than just saying, wow, my memory sucks because I'm a human being and memories suck. And people can't identify, you know, people when they see murders take place, they can't identify the murderer because that's not how your brain works. So rather than you could be mistaken from a 20-year-old memory, they think that it's an alternate timeline that we shifted into. Well, we can't all remember that. So it's an alternate timeline that we've shifted into.

That's literally what it was. One guy's proof was Stouffer's. Stouffer's, they don't make stovetop stuffing. The stuffing, that's craft. It's a craft product. It's not Stouffer's. But I remember it as Stouffer's. You remember it as Stouffer's because stuffing and stovetop together say fucking Stouffer's.

So in your head, you think stovetop stove top stuffing stouffers that's also a brand who makes shit like that that's why you would remember that that doesn't mean it's fucking true if i think i remember and just tries to get there right yeah your brain tries to make connections you know like back in the day when you download video files and it would come in little sections they'd be like oh it's missing a piece but you'd have players that would try to play it anyway and skip that part that's what your fucking brain's trying to do it's trying to fill in the missing piece of the file it's trying to put it together to keep you alive yeah but your brain's running windows 95 is the fucking problem like now it's that's what it's running on like a dos startup with dial-up fucking modems and shit and like 56k

it can't it doesn't exist to your brain to get Wi-Fi. It can't. It doesn't exist to your brain. Your brain is an old computer that can't take Wi-Fi and it belongs in the garbage. Ethernet cable. Or, yeah, or a modem. It's got a modem in there.

So rather than people just going, oh, I've been shown categoric fucking proof that I remembered mistakenly. They go, must be an alternate timeline because my brain is perfect. That's how fucking crazy people are. That's who we're dealing with. Those people are allowed.

So it has to be everything else. Must be. Those people are allowed to fucking vote. They're allowed to have children. They're allowed to drive a car. They're allowed to drive a fucking car. Jimmy, think about that. They can just show an ID car. They're allowed to drive a fucking car, Jimmy. Think about that.

They can just show an ID and go, I'll take this alcohol, please. Yeah. My speedometer might say I'm going 90, but I really feel like I'm going 58. So I'm going 58. Like, that's not how shit works, man. My brain was like exploding, yelling at the TV going, you're fucking don't remember you asshole. Period. Isn't it funnier to say you don't know? Why do you do it like this?

They were getting up going, yeah, I mean, it has to be an alternate timeline. It's a split. And right here and they're discussing they had these charts, Jimmy, with graphics of a fucking wormhole, black hole, wormhole wormhole this and it scoops around to i'm talking people with like had these physics problems all out and all this shit you don't remember that's it you just all fucked up your memory stop making it something it's not like stop it's just jesus rather than us all going isn't it funny it would not. Like, stop. It's just, Jesus. Rather than us all going, isn't it funny?

It would be more, I would like the people more. Oh, God, the entertainment value is so much more. Well, if they all just got together and go, oh, my God, can you believe we all thought that? I know, I totally remembered that, but it's not that. What else is like that? They could have had a fun time and had some beers but no they sat around drawing fucking charts about how it's crazy man that's fucking crazy so we are such assholes that's that's why this guy is right because you if your brain thinks something you don't want to be told something else you don't

that's why people watch whatever news suits them. They watch whatever. It's on every side, all spectrums. It doesn't matter. You want confirmation of your own shit. So anyway, they said that. Yeah, this anyway, they said that the the he said the buffing of the image of star athletes wasn't a purely cynical exercise on the part of the media either. It could even be considered sympathetic. cynical exercise on the part of the media either it could even be considered sympathetic the reporters rode on the same train as the players their their wages were about the same as the players this is back when they would live in the same neighborhoods they made the same amount of money wow so the reporters and the players had a camaraderie it wasn't there above us we can't even get into that player's gated community it It's not that back then. It was, oh yeah, I drink at the bar with that guy. Yeah, we go to the same corner bar. He lives in my neighborhood. That's literally what it was like. He said they'd

socialize with them. They did unto the players what they would have wanted for their own. Albert Schweitzer called the quiet conscience the invention of the devil. But for sports reporters, erring on the side of discretion was once an expression of kinship and occupational necessity robert lipsight once described the

attitude of the press corps quote we're all uh we're all of the carnival and the rubes are out there so it's this it's comedy we work behind the curtain right audience is there there's a there's a that's exactly what it is it's the definitive line and the the curtain. Right. Audience is there. That's exactly what it is. Definitive line. And the fucking writers are the same people? We're the workers. They're the marks. Yeah.

Wow. Because they're doing it together. They're building up each other's industry together, making the same amount of money hanging out drinking, trying to make those people think that you're an upstanding person and the greatest thing in the world to do is watch hockey. Oh, God. I can't wait to hear the rest of this. It's great. that you're an upstanding person and the greatest thing in the world to do is watch hockey oh god i can't wait to hear the rest of it's great now that's all we've given you now who is actual bobby well uh we can probably let our imagination wander but why don't you tell us basically if don draper had a violent streak that's bobby We'll put it that way. He's a ladies' man, number one.

He loves to go out with the ladies. He fathered at least one child while he was in his teens that we know of, but possibly more. They said he's very profane, a lot of profanity, pretty rough kind of a guy. The press corps, they knew who he was, but they liked his original image because it was easier to write about. His wife, Joanne, told Michael Farber of the Montreal Gazette in 1980, quote, he was a true gentleman at the rink. I don't know if it was good that he carried that appearance all the time. At home, he had to let his hair down. So he kept the public image of being a golden angel.

And I think it was unfortunate that sometimes the children and i paid for it yeah not good um one reporter uh later on would say of course he didn't write about it at the time but he told a story that he witnessed in a parking lot this was a parking lot next to a montreal bar after a hawks canadians game i guess uh you know some of the players went to a bar next door right on the way out hull walked out with some woman who wasn't his wife obviously and chased down uh worlsley the goalie who is the the guy that he almost killed with a puck at one point chased him down the guy had just sat down behind the wheel of his car and he was trying to put his keys in and hull popped up next to the door and said don't go home gump that's his nickname gump

don't go home gump let's go get laid me and her problem was no no gump had company and it was his wife in the passenger seat oh no so this shut the fuck up what are you doing in the car we're getting laid tonight and he's like x-nay on the fucking aid lay please jesus christ are you kidding that was a cold ride home for old gump orsley bobby hull fuck that guy almost killed him with a puck probably got him divorced a poor bastard ruined his marriage together how do you play that off that guy's crazy i don't even i don't even talk to him i don't even know what he's talking about who was that crazy guy who was that crazy guy so yeah his wife in the passenger seat that's a great story let's go get laid he's like i am man my wife you remember no i i won't be getting laid tonight now

thanks well that was the plan a minute ago that was what we were now it's it's over though blew that one uh red fisher of the montrealette, who's a reporter, he said, quote, The stories were out there. He liked to drink. He got ugly when he was drinking. He fooled around, but there was nothing we could do with that. We couldn't report that, is what he's saying. One guy, Jim Kernaghan, he said, I really think it was the tenor of the times. His marital troubles were known and discussed by the players and the media with something like that though unless criminal charges are filed we wouldn't

write about it i know from experience of looking for arrests a lot of times even if charges are filed they don't fucking write about it back then they didn't because you didn't want to show up at the locker room next time for after the game to get a quote and be told that you're not welcome in here anymore right that would happen then what do you do you're gonna get fired because you can't get the quotes after the game right they can ruin your career in two seconds so or make you have to go to another place another city another guy here a newsman in winnipeg named vick grant he worked the uh worked for the jets um oh he worked the winnipeg Jets beat there for the free press and radio. He said that it's bullshit that players are saying they didn't know about Bobby Hull.

He said, though it wasn't reported in the papers or over the air, he said the story of the Hulls' marriage was common knowledge in Winnipeg. He said, quote, there were incidents in public. Well, I was incredulous about what I saw between him and Joanne. Here's one story. Quote, they were yelling at each other at airports. He'd tell her to go fuck herself and she'd turn around and do the same. In the middle of the airport.

Oh, man. Go fuck yourself. It's time to re-dye Blake's hair. He's looking. I can see his roots. Let's go. Yeah, my kid looks like Blake Lively. Get home.

Come on. He goes on to say it wasn't just the team and the reporters who were around either. There would be dozens of people around. No doubt word got around the city, although a lot of people thought of Joanne as the evil temptress because of Bobby's image. That's the other thing. He's this all American image or all Canadian, I should say. And we all knew that the trouble wasn't Joanne. It was Bobby Hull. If he did, if he if what he did to Joanne played out today, Tiger Woods would look like a saint by comparison.

Oh, is that right? You can tell when this was written, when all the Tiger Woods shit was coming out. So that's what he's saying. You can tell when this was written, when all the Tiger Woods shit was coming out. So that's what he's saying. He said that this guy went on to say that Hull's cruelty extended beyond Joanne and also to the sons. And the public saw him, you know, they saw him in public. So they thought he was fine. Grant said, the one boy that I knew fairly well was bobby jr the oldest so his son bobby jr played on a team with the sons of some of the other players

he wasn't the best he was a good kid uh but he wasn't the smartest kid he didn't stand out in any particular way bobby taunted him he basically told bobby jr that he wasn't good enough and that he didn't mind who was around when he said it well so did this author jesus christ that's fucking brutal he wasn't the smartest right so his right you know his father would help him when this this one makes fun of him rather than that this is uh bullies him bullies him yeah um he says i didn't see a lot of admiration for bobby hull because i saw what the public didn't see, just like his teammates did. He was a hard man to admire, and I doubt many of his teammates did, even though they would never admit it. So 1970, Joanne files for divorce.

This is in the midst of the three platinum haired fucking milk dud commercials. This is all in the middle of everything and they later reconcile and it doesn't really come out publicly till about eight years later that she even filed for divorce whereas today that's going to be in the news for sure yeah don't keep an eye down into fucking justice of the peace to make sure yeah now uh a nanny who worked for the hulls at the time witnessed firsthand the cause of the divorce filing she said oh here we go uh apparently she had gone with joanne had gone with bobby to hawaii to shoot that commercial for the jansen sportswear this is from the nanny quote

she came back from hawaii where they were shooting Bob for Jansen's menswear advertising. He'd been physical with her. She came home with a big black eye. We took pictures of it. Oh, my. Joanne confirms this and said, quote, I took a real beating there. He just picked me up, threw me over his shoulder, took me in a room and proceeded to just knock the heck out of me. He took my shoe with a steel heel

and proceeded to hit me in the head with it oh my god what is he my grandmother you can't fucking do unless you're a woman over the age of 65 you can't you're not allowed to hit someone with your shoe i'm sorry that's like a steel stiletto yeah with a fuck wow um I was just covered in blood. Jesus. Wow. It gets worse, if that's possible. I can remember him holding me over the balcony, and I thought, this is the end. This is the end of me. Thought she was, drop her off the balcony.

That is horrifying. Who did almost that exact same thing with somebody's? Was it Tyson? Oh, no, Tyson jumped off the thing. And I'm thinking Jim DeAnvil Neidhart also did a jump off deal. That's disturbing, man. So they separated then. And the nanny went with Joanne to California to look after the boys. And Bobby, on the other hand, wanted to get his wife back here and his family back. And the nanny described it by saying that they were going to get back together once she agreed that he was in charge.

He said to her, quote, you don't do the things I want. And if I say I want something, you should do it. Yeah. Frank said he gets anal. Your turn. Yeah. Your turn. So either way yeah she's

saying um he's saying i'm in charge and you have to do whatever i want and that's that's our relationship so he wants a subservient wife to just do whatever he says yeah that's not happening here so uh not at all on many occasions though they've been having problems this is the nanny quote one time joanne told me to call the police on him. When I picked up the phone, he ripped it out of the wall. I said, go ahead and hit me. That'll make a nice headline. He laughed and dropped it.

Another time I called the police and they came, though they didn't charge him with anything. They really didn't help at all. Just were sort of standing around asking, standing around making jokes with Bob. Joanne didn't stay at home that night, but I had to stay there to look after the boys. I was terrified, but the strange thing was the next morning he was sheepish. Like a lot of these fucking abusers are.

Yeah, the next morning they're, oh, Jesus, I don't know what I was thinking. Yeah, it's fucking, that doesn't matter. The next morning isn't the part that matters here. This is cyclical. Yeah, that's the thing. Oh, it's okay. Oh, it's okay.

It'll never happen again, and then it happens again. That's the whole cycle. So sorry, I love you. Right. Until I'm mad again. So, yeah, this is the OJ thing, too. Like, the cops came, but they knew OJ, and they made jokes with OJ, and they hung out. They talked about his Heisman Trophy and the fucking Rose Bowl and shit.

These guys show up, they're like, hey, it's Bobby Hull. bowl and shit these guys show up they're today it's bobby hull how's it going and then they leave that's it um the nanny's uh account here she has an account of this as well she said i did call the police many times i remember him yanking the phone out of the wall with one hand and in the other hand he'd have a handful of my hair that's what that's what joanne's quote is so he was a phone ripper out so you couldn't call the police because he'd rip the phone out of the wall and physically keep you away from another one so that shit's illegal today yeah oh that's an extra charge it's big time but back then that was how people got their wife to not call the cops when they were beating the shit out of them they ripped the phone out of the wall so yeah they said that uh joanne later on would say

she told espn later on quote he was a womanizer i asked him have there been any recently and he said you'll never know how many jesus christ that's torture to do to somebody and say it like that man if she asked just fucking tell her she knows you're doing it obviously it's something that's whatever what a nightmare so uh his son bart says quote my parents should have never met that's a lot wow bart yeah i wish i wasn't that's their relationship sucks so bad it would be better if i was not born preferably i'llably, I'll take the L on this one just to save everyone else. Now, Hall's daughter, Michelle, is a really big advocate against her father. So not an advocate, whatever, advocate for her mother.

Adversary. Adversary to her father. Does not like her father at all. Later on, becomes an attorney that handles domestic violence cases so much so. I wonder why. Yeah. She's outspoken about the treatment she says quote a lot of bad memories stem from how my dad acted when he was drinking she she worked with battered women now she said when he had been drinking you just didn't know

uh you just knew that you didn't want to be around here and uh brett hull the nhl star he talked about his parents divorce and everything like that and he said nobody should live in an environment that's not healthy that's as far as he would go but we uh we knew um now uh the nanny also says that even if it wasn't just the physical abuse he was also a terrible husband in other ways. Quote, it was just the fooling around. He could be very hard. It wasn't just the fooling around. He could be very harsh and critical. The breaking point for me was when he ordered Bobby Jr. to his room.

I went to talk to him and Bobby Jr. said, my father doesn't love me. He thought that he and his brothers were what made the marriage unhappy. I couldn't take working there anymore. I felt like I was enabling Bob to be abusive to them. What a terrible fucking way. But then, a lot of times, these fiery relationships that are, I shouldn't even say fiery, these abusive relationships, there was something in the beginning. There was the kernel of what got them together in the beginning. something in the beginning there was the kernel of what got them together in the beginning because nobody just nobody just walks up to a woman grabs her by the hair and smacks her and

it's like you're gonna be my fucking woman now listen to me like that's not how it works right so there's got to be something that was that attracted them to begin with to then allow this sort of behavior or even just to get in the front door to have this sort of behavior happen and the nanny knows what it is and uh she says quote there was a sexual energy between them i remember them arguing and he put his hand between her legs her eyes just glazed over and five minutes later you could hear the bed springs singing oh it's a gross way of putting it. Wow. Yeah, that's a very old school, if this truck's a knocking, this van's a knocking. Wow. She said he always stuck to his routine. On game days and didn't want any change, steak asparagus with cheese, salad, and ice cream.

Then, from one to four, he'd have his nap. He insisted on the house being nice and quiet and he wanted joanne to have a nap with him after a while you could hear bed springs again so there's a lot of fucking going on here yeah um he likes asparagus with cheese yeah he wants cheese on i guess the broccoli is good with cheese why not asparagus i guess you could put romaine or something on it too not romaine is it romaine no romano yeah yeah too. Not romaine. Is it romaine? Romaine. Romano. Romano. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or you could like.

It doesn't have to be yellow cheese. No, no. You could take a melted cheese. Yeah. There's a lot of things you could do. Sure. So, yeah. Back then, it was probably just a Velveeta, though, I think.

Because that's what they had in the 70s. Here's some Velveeta. So, the nanny goes on to say, quote, Joanne told me that Bob had been raised in an abusive home, that his father was physically and emotionally abusive to his wife. So he says, yeah, that's how it was. And then the daughter, Michelle, said, I remember the stories of how his father treated his mother. It was exactly the way he treated my mother. He looked for a reason to hit my mom or hurt her in some way jesus not not okay and and so like white trash is a cycle obviously yes domestic violence is a cycle and it and it's it's bred into you and that's what you are you

are what you are uh to break that you go one way or the other right it's it's hard to break that and there's no reason to break it when what you're doing is you're successful at it yeah that's probably it too and the fact that he was so ingrained with his dad but that he didn't have the todd marinovich thing where he event you know todd marinovich eventually was like fuck you dad i'm not doing what you want anymore and I'm my own. That never happened. My own career for it. Yeah.

I will fucking be homeless. I will have the cops know my first name from sight from a block away as they chase me from from behind. Yeah. Fuck. It's Todd again. That's that's the deal. So it's just so fucking crazy.

And that's how these relationships are. That's how abusive things go. So 1970, back to hockey quick, they come up with the Bobby Hull rule. Yeah. Hockey does because Hull and Stan Mikita, his teammate, did a thing where a lot of guys did it back then, but it really affected for some reason off of their sticks. They would curve their blades of their hockey sticks more and it became referred to as banana blades and um they call it the bobby hull rule because it they thought it was a potential danger to goalies they said because the curved blade made the puck's trajectory unpredictable and the goalies would get in the

face more from it so and you get more goals, you've got a nasty sling on it. Yeah, oh, yeah. It's like those field hockey plastic ones that you had when you were a kid. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Absolutely. You just hit them with people. You can really move that puck a little bit more with that banana.

Just fucking use them as a weapon. So the rule originally limited the blade curvature to between one half and three quarters of an inch at 1970 was set to one half an inch and the uh the current rule limits the curvature to three quarters of an inch so that's what it is um so um yeah there we go now his stats here we'll go over very quickly because i'm not going to really get into this. He led the league in scoring here. Let's see goals. 59-60, he had 39.

61-62, he had 50. 63-64, he had 43. 65-66, he had 54. 52 the next year. 44 the year after that. 58 and 68-69. Those are all league-leading goal amounts here. Leads the league in points three different times that I see here.

Not a ton of penalty minutes. I mean, he plays every game, and the most penalty minutes I'm seeing in a year is 68, which is nothing. We've seen guys that have fucking hundreds and hundreds and hundreds. He's an all-star here. Let's starts out in 59 60 he's not an all-star in 60 61 but then he's an all-star uh one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven uh nhl 12 11 straight seasons after that wow a couple of m of MVP awards, shit like that. He's got all the being in the heart and the Ross trophies and all that shit that he wins. He does a lot, essentially, here.

Mr. Hockey. Jesus. Mr. Hockey. The thing is, the NHL still doesn't pay people shit. By 1972, they're still not paying anything here. And at that time, the World Hockey Association is cranking up. And one of their teams, the Winnipeg Jets, who will later be an NHL team. This is the ABA of hockey, essentially, is what this is here.

They said, well, fuck, let's steal Bobby Hull. He's wavering in the NHL. Let's take him. So they made him an offer a 10-year contract for 2.75 million dollars hey including a 1 million dollar signing bonus oh my this is great monster money back i mean that's beyond the scope of anything realistic he said quote i thought it was a joke didn't even he said i pretended to go along with it just to scare Chicago. Like he thought,

yeah, sure. I'll pretend like that's real. Then my agent said, Bobby, these guys are serious. Yeah. Like you could actually,

you could actually do this. And so they, they did. Apparently the other owners chipped in on it. This is what happened in the ABA too. They would chip in on a player that they wanted for the league. So, um,

yeah, it's a lot of fucking money here say he uh the debut with winnipeg was held up by litigation from the nhl and so obviously he ends up playing for winnipeg after that though um even after he gets this huge deal there's still all that stuff i told you about hawaii hanging just beating people with beating his wife with a shoe and hanging her over a thing. The world doesn't know about that. It's still silent.

He is still squeaky clean Mr. Family Man Bobby Hull. They think him and his wife have the best marriage ever. There's an article here where even after all this money, they're still regular people. Joanne says, quote, he hasn't changed a bit. He still goes around turning off lights and telling me not to spend too much money. He raised my allowance to one hundred fifty dollars a month. But I I think I should get more. I'm negotiating an increase. She also says, quote, in the past, I think I was I was extravagant. But when you talk about household expenses going up to $112,000, Hull said his annual household expenses increased from $35,000 to $112,000 between 72 and 75.

She said, that's not me. There's a lot of cattle in there. Like his expenses are buying cattle. Feed is expensive. Yeah. She said, of course, I bought the boys the best hockey equipment, the best ski equipment. If they wanted $100 ski pants, I bought them. Bobby used newspapers rolled up his shin guards.

No, he didn't. He didn't. But think about that in the paper, though. This guy. So he does. My wife doesn't fuck. Because this isn't women reading this fucking article. This is men.

Right. So the one that was in magazines, that's for women. The sports section one like this is for men. So this is men go. My fucking wife spends all my money, too. And I'm I got to use Shingard fucking newspapers. Bullshit. I use the funny papers to wipe my ass because she uses all the money. There's no toilet paper in the house.

Fucking ridiculous. She said, yes, I was extravagant, but within a set allowance. For the last year or two, 76, 77, it was $1,200 a month. That's 76, 77. Before that, it was $1,000, $750, and in 1972, it was $600. I had credit cards to major department stores, but how can you be that extravagant? I'm not saying we didn't live well. We certainly did, but I never had free access to his bank account. We did have a joint

account, but that was only for the $1,200 allowance. He did give me blank checks with his signature to pay the bills, but I had to mark down on each check what it was for. I never liked that. I was afraid of losing one. He never wanted me to work, and I never had my own money. I did have antiques, and I still have them, but the basis for most of my antiques was an inheritance from my grandmother and my aunt. Mostly, I simply upgraded what we had. Where I was extravagant, I suppose, is that I wanted the best of everything for my children. Of course. That makes sense.

Of course. That makes sense. So 1972, there's the Summit Series, which pits Canada's top NHL players against the USSR's national team. Oh. And because he left the NHL, the NHL does not allow him to play in this. Really? They cockblock him playing in this, yeah. So he was pissed about that shit.

In 74, they did a second Summit Series, and this time they included WHA stars. Gordie Howe played, and he'd been retired for a couple of years. He came back anyway. And the WHA lost the series four games to one, and three ended in a tie. So there you go. That's how that works. Hull had seven goals and was a key member of the Canadian squad who won in 1976, though.

So good for him. Speaking of 1976 and 76, Winnipeg wins the WHA championship. Is that right? Yeah, he does pretty well there. 1978, he's made an Officer of the Order of Canada. I don't know what the fuck that is. No idea whatsoever.

Like a Boy Scout Explorer? Yeah, exactly. His jersey number nine, by the way, is going to eventually be retired by the Blackhawks and the Winnipeg Jets and also the Arizona Coyotes because that's the Winnipeg Jets. Right. So it's at this point in time, about 1977, where his wife files for divorce. Uh-oh. Files for divorce, but then they just live together for another year and a half. Oh, boy.

Then it all goes through. One of the hockey guys here, one of the front office guys, front office guys from the team he was from. He says, quote, he probably should have gotten a divorce in 1970 since Joanne. By the way, Joanne asked for the divorce on the grounds of physical cruelty. So if that came out publicly, that would have been a nightmare for him, sir. Yeah, for them. So he said, quote, we were in the room talking about it, and Morse, Arthur Morse, who was an attorney for the Blackhawks, drew up a list of Bobby's assets before a divorce, what he had then and what he would have later. That explained to him how expensive divorce is.

Later, Bobby said it was too bad because we were the ones who talked him out of it. So they talked him out of it. They were like, Bobby, you sure you want a divorce? And it cost you. So Joanne said that they had not. They go back and forth on whether they lived together because they bought a home in Winnipeg. Then they had a home in Vancouver because their youngest daughter is a very good figure skater. So Joanne wanted to be in Vancouver to be able to take her to this particular instructor and all

this type of shit and Bobby I guess kind of goes with them later on the judge and their divorce will say the parties continued to have marital relations they ate together made trips together went out socially together appeared in public together acted as parents of a family unit they carried on as a married couple even after he left in november of 1977 okay very strange here so by october of 78 by joanne's accounts they hadn't been living together for a while here and that was the debatable part um she did file for divorce 15 months before that um their daughter though like i said was a figure skater and they did all that shit now and now he had also his obligations with the winnipeg jets and he held on to his cattle interests

all over the place too so basically he's going to be in van in winnipeg while his family's in vancouver that's how it is there so um yeah they thought they could make it work but no um here's another violent incident joanne said she never denied bobby visitation rights saying um you know that was the only time that it happened was one time he didn't give her sufficient notice. So she said, you're not taking the kids today. So what he did, because she had plans with her family, with the kids and shit. So what he did, apparently, allegedly, is he came over and broke down the front door of the family home. Can't do that. Yes. She had him charged with assault, but later on it was dismissed.

So multiple times that happens here. Um, now he's talking about, he's got to take a break from hockey during all this. When it comes out, he says, uh, he says, this is a, uh, November 78. I have always said that I would play the game as long as I continued to enjoy the game. He said, so for personal reasons, I have not been able to devote my full attention to the game, and therefore, in fairness to my teammates and management, I feel that this is the right decision for all parties. He's going to step down.

He's granted a 10-day leave of absence for personal reasons, and the personal reasons are trying to settle details of a divorce. So he moved into a house outside winnipeg that at this point that he now shares with a different woman claudia allen who is the estranged wife of a winnipeg dentist so he stole some dentist's wife and uh he's living there it's fucking hilarious joanne gets granted spousal support and child support. And she says later on, she'll testify in court that the money rarely came on time, if at all. So why wouldn't you just pay your shit?

So he everybody thought he walked away from the Jets because of this. That Vic Grant, the reporter, says if domestic trouble was going to cause him to retire he would have retired a long time before it's not like this happened overnight yeah he needs companionship jesus oh yeah he moves right into another woman now they have a divorce proceeding a court case with witnesses and a trial and the whole deal right oh boy here's something um this is what it says on the front you can from the front page you can tell there's a problem okay counsel a a rich qc cheryl hall for joanne hull so those are her her her multiple attorneys okay yeah for him robert marvin hull appeared in person he's his

own attorney representing himself in a divorce oh boy that might be the i it's smarter to represent yourself if they think you're a serial killer than in your own fucking divorce are you kidding you're about you're about to lose everything ted bundy had a better shot you'd rather you'd rather not have your freedom if you don't have anything else it's the point of being a free man? Take me. So why is he doing this? Yeah, why?

A friend of his says, quote, Bobby hates lawyers. Well, a lot of people hate lawyers, but then when you need one, you use lawyers. You don't just pretend you're a lawyer. People do not hate divorce lawyers. You love your divorce lawyer. They love and hate them. That's a love-hate thing there. He said dealing with them was a necessary evil to get the deal done to come to the WHA. I guess he didn't think it was necessary in the divorce, though.

Wow. He had several lawyers, mind you. Five, the local newspaper said there. Friends remembered even more lawyers, actually, that he went through for this divorce. Some walked away after he didn't pay them. He fired some, and some were trying to get money from him for other shit.

Two weeks before the case went to trial, the lawyer he was using, William Percy, who's from a high-powered firm and all this shit, he told the judge that he's removing himself from the case and petitioned the court for him to be relieved because he has an unpaid bill of $9,911.71. And it's been four months since Bobby's made any more payments. So the judge ordered this lawyer to stay on to represent paul anyway you have to do it anyway

and it's billing him yeah and advised that the law advise the lawyer that funds directed from the sale of a fall of a farm owned by them would be directed to the firm so like we'll make sure you get paid don't worry about it we'll put that in his list of debts so apparently that's what pissed hull off at that point hull got up yelled and screamed told the judge that he lost confidence in percy and said i don't want a lawyer i want to be my own lawyer and um yeah so he's standing there in front of this fucking judge not knowing shit about the law and her lawyers must have been like could you ask for a fucking better thing to happen honestly then the abusive fucking you know overbearing husband now is so overbearing he won't even let a lawyer represent him because

he's got to do it himself he knows better than a fucking lawyer couldn't be any better so her whole his whole thing is joanne's a gold digger they've been together for 20 years so that's hard to say that someone's a gold digger when they've been together for 20 years and you have that many kids with them they have like six kids five kids like that's too many kids let her work to make her own money so at that point she's not a gold digger you're forcing forcing her. She's slave labor. Exactly. Exactly. Hull's former nanny, who had to testify, did say that she did have expensive tastes, but he made a lot of money. So it was, you know, that's what it is.

She said, quote, Joanne definitely had expensive tastes. Only the best suited her. In Chicago, he could go out and spend or she could go out and spend hundreds of dollars on antiques. And then we'd have to figure out a way that Bob didn't find the receipts. That's pretty. Yeah, that's nothing. Yeah. So Joanne, though, said that, you know, basically like they all the people they hung out with all they were all like high society people.

Yeah. So it was like you you wanted you want your friends to come over and we have shitty furniture and then they're gonna fucking talk about you behind your back and the you know mid-century in here yeah and you have to like you have to keep the kids up to date with all the hundred dollar ski pants so all the other people's kids don't call it yeah it's one of that shit you're keeping up with those people so um they said that they're uh she the family she comes from is an old money family and uh you know that's how she's used to having money is the reason why so they said a lot of people that joanne grew up with and her family might think that she married beneath her because

he's a quote this is the former nanny quote i had a sense Joanne's other, Joanne's brother looked at Bob and his family as country bumpkins. So that's her, the mother, Joanne's mother looked at them as country bumpkins. So, yeah. I mean, that's what the articles made them look like. But everybody knows they're not. That's, well, back then they didn't. Arthur Rich, Joanne's lawyer, called her as a witness. And during his three hour, Hall did a fucking cross examination of his ex-wife, which is going to look bad.

They said that he stalked around by the witness box. Her attorney finally had to ask the judge to instruct Hall to step back from the box when cross examining her. The judge did so, telling him to stay 20 feet from the box. cross-examining her the judge did so telling him to stay 20 feet from the box and he would cross the line frequently the judge would have to fucking admonish him tell him not to do that he grew combative over the course of his cross-examination of joanne yeah one said a quote it was as if he were uh out only to settle scores and drag up mud. He did you or did you not not give me anal? Did you? Didn't.

Is it true? Isn't it true that Kathy Lee Gifford is a better wife than you? Isn't it? Isn't it true? So and she's annoying as fuck. So that takes a lot. A lot of anal. So and she's annoying as fuck. So that takes a lot.

A lot of anal. He asked the same questions over and over again. And the judge got pissed off and says, quote, she doesn't have to give you the answers that you would like to have. You're bound by the answer she gives. That's court. You can't. So they said his line of questioning was actually counterproductive. He accused Joanne of coolly and calculatedly gathering evidence against him to use in the proceedings, going through his pockets and hiring private investigators.

If it had called into question her intent, it only highlighted the fact that her version of offense was also very corroborated. So all he was doing was, you remember all those things that proved what you said that you did? Like, it's a terrible terrible dumb shit thing to say. Remember when you went through my bank accounts and got all the information that I didn't want you to have? Yeah. Then he does the crowning fucking cherry on top jewel here of what not to say in court. This is like we had a case where someone messed up and was like, that morning of the murder, whenever that murder happened remember that this is almost as bad at one point he says that quote oh he says this to her you wouldn't have put up with all this abuse if i wasn't just a meal ticket oh boy

wait a minute you can't say that yeah not good not good he was saying earlier when i punched you in the mouth in 72 on the way back from hawaii that was some kind of vacation i had to tell jerry jerry west what a bitch you were in our photo shoot do you understand that so he was saying it sarcastically like you wouldn't have put up with all this abuse if i wasn't senior military, but you can't again. Not good. So, again, bad validates that there had been abuse. Also, terrible fucking idea. Digging himself in deeper and deeper in the holes. Her lawyer took shots at him as well. And when he objected, her lawyer said, quote, This man has taken over and dominated this court in such a such a fashion

as to make a mockery of it of it this man comes here today and says poor me i don't have a lawyer help me either this is a court of law or it isn't he doesn't know any tactics other than those in the corners of an ice hockey rink he said that hull was good at those tactics but that's it not good in a court so uh yeah here you ain't shit is what he said then they argued about their net worth uh there was an advisor who put the net worth at 1.15 million and he said no bobby said that's not true but then he averaged then eventually he fucking conceded that it was true um oh my god they uh they talked about how their decisions to go different places the lawyer asked him you had been supporting joanne to that time before they

went to vancouver for ice skating in any event had you not had you not paid the bills and bobby said lavishly more than she deserves the lawyer yes. So you not only paid for them, but you were responsible for all the expenses up to that time. Uh, she at least moved to Vancouver. Were you not? And he said, I expect the husband is responsible up to a point,

but a well only has so much water in it. So yeah, that's, that's what he was trying to say here. Now, the other thing that's called into a question is Hull owns a one-ninth share of the Winnipeg Jets. Oh. Valued at.

That was one of the things they got to get them there. When they gave it to them, it wasn't worth anything. It was a new league. It's like when they gave Rick Barry a piece of the Oakland ABA team. It was worth nothing. Like, gee, thanks. But at this point, it was valued at 430 000 there you go because the franchise was worth 3.87 million so uh the lawyer said quote well why don't you

just give her some money and settle the whole thing and hull said i'd love to and the lawyer said give her the jets then give her And Hull said she can have them. What? Now, that's not an official thing, but the judge is going to hold him to that later. Oh, God damn it. Again, in court, be careful what you say. There's a person typing it all out. She's got it all word for word.

I mean, you can't read it, but she can. The judge can go back and go hey thursday at about three o'clock what did he say and they'll go hold on and then they'll give him a piece of paper and they can read through and go you said this this and that it's exactly what you said you said she can have them oh my god so uh yep uh another guy here president of the winnipeg Jets, and a close friend of Hull's, Michael Gobuty. Gobuty. Of course. G-O-B-U-T-Y. He likes anal, too.

Gobuty. That sounds like what Australians call fucking an ass. I'm going to gobuty. Doesn't it absolutely sound like an Australian ass fucking? I'm called a Sheila over here tonight. We're going to gobuty. We're going to gobuty. So this guy said he made lots of money and she spent an awful lot of it um she was the white typhoon

she'd go and buy anything she saw if she wanted to buy it and yet he didn't stop her so in turn whose fault is it jesus christ oh god who cares whose fault it is just take the asset split them down the middle and go your fucking separate ways and shut up no shit man jesus christ so on june 20th 1980 this is three years after the divorce papers were filed um were served on him anyway the judge finally grants the halls a divorce effective immediately he awards joanne custody of brett bart and michelle allowing bobby uh free and liberal access to the children that's the quotes from the court documents he reserved the right to address visitation at a later date if bobby was not provided free uh free access to his children

um there would be no later application as it turned out. So none of that happened. The judge also told the parties that he would withhold judgment on Joanne's claims for maintenance support and equal division of property. He would take four months to hand in his scorecard and the decision was fair. So yeah, he does it four months later. He does it.

The judge it's in this one article. It says the judgment handed down by justice denisette barely disguised his with his withering contempt for hull jesus he um he said that he at one point bobby said he had way less net worth and said i'm gonna bring in this financial guy to prove it okay the guy was supposed to come in one day and he said, Oh, he has a medical emergency and couldn't show up and couldn't kept making excuses for this guy.

And the guy never ended up testifying. So the judge is breaking his balls about that. He says, quote, the court knows little of the financial affairs of Mr. Hull prior to his coming to Manitoba. However, we do know that he was already a businessman, deriving income, fame, and advertising value

from playing some of the most superb hockey ever witnessed anywhere in the world. He also had interest in farming, cattle operations, and other enterprises, such as public relations work and endorsement of commercial products. The judge said that they started making so much more money once he came to Winnipeg and also hinted that he believed that Hull was lying about his assets and that he had more. He says, quote, before he came to Winnipeg in 1972, he already had a sizable home and some cattle business where he was using as a tax shelter and which he continued to use while residing in Canada. Unfortunately, we have little evidence about those operations

in the USA. Mr. Hull did not give evidence regarding that. We know that cattle operations in Canada in the USA enabled him in part to avoid paying income tax in Canada while with the Jets while he was receiving on average over $250,000 a year. The income tax authorities were satisfied. That may be, but it still leaves the court in the dark regarding profits and losses of what must be a sizable enterprise in the USA. While this business is conducted outside of Canada, it's still his and the court has to take into all consideration of assets that he has. So he also says that he he said that he has he doesn't think that Hall is telling the

truth when Paul says that he can't retain dates and facts, which he's been hit in the head a lot. He didn't wear a helmet. So I bet he can't. That's possible. When cross examined about his cattle operations, he was vague and imprecise and, you know, whatever. Just didn't know what he was doing. So he's going to – here's the financial settlement.

He has to pick up the mortgage on the Vancouver home, $682.52 a month. Child support, $200 to $700 a month for each child, depending on the child. Spousal support of $4,000 a month as well. It's a lot back then. Quote, Mrs. Hull is used to a high standard of living, the judge wrote, and that it may have to be somewhat lowered when the divisions of property rolled in. Let's see here. Lump sum, by the way, he hasn't been paying child support or support for her.

So they give her a lump sum of back support of $100,695.55. He's got to cut an immediate check for her and then start cutting all those other checks after that. Yeah, so that's a lot. That's what happens when you punch your wife in the face. Yeah, absolutely. Also, one other thing the judge wrote, there will be a charge in favor of the wife against all of Mr. Hull's interest in his share of the Winnipeg Jets hockey club.

Oh, boy. Yeah. This charge will remain until further order of the court or by release of her. The judge said whether or not the franchise would be sold one day for four or more times its present value is unknown. Later, the franchise was sold on the market for $68 million in the U.S., and the payoff in the judgment came on the last page here. Counsel for Mrs. Hall tells me that over 1,000 hours in time recorded, not including five days in trial, four days examination, and for discovery, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, and then he has to pay her legal fees as well, which is $30,000. My God.

So he should have just paid for his own lawyer, and maybe he would have gotten a little bit better off. But no. So he appeals the whole thing. He's like, she's getting all this shit. So he appeals the whole thing to an appeals judge, and the judge says, wow, that's amazing, says to Hull's lawyer, he's got a lawyer this time by the way the judge is pissed the judge says quote you don't just you don't throw a bunch of garbage at us and ask us to decide what's right it's a lot of baloney how can you do anything but draw the adverse conclusion that mr hull doesn't want to indicate what he has. You're full of shit lying, so I can't fucking help you.

They said that the judge said that Joanne understood more than he did, and she walked into the arena and was shown to the public. Why was she there if it weren't required for her to bolster his image? Basically, she built up the value of his household so that's the way it fucking is here so if you don't prove it then that's what you get so anyway he is pissed off he goes back to his place there his house that he has with his new girl the dentist's wife in winnipeg there he's right he's super mad he's sitting it's a dark room can you picture it Jimmy there's dark wood it's got like

bookshelves but there's no books on it obviously he keeps booze on it and shit he's sipping it something not even on the rocks it's neat boy and it's fucking half a glass full and he's strong and he's sitting there in a room brooding on his couch

in like a den office thing and out of nowhere through the window glass breaks everywhere and he's sitting there in a room brooding on his couch in like a den office thing. And out of nowhere, through the window, glass breaks everywhere, and it's Andrew Theron, ice cream marketer and financial scam annihilator. And he says... How is it you've come to arrive here? What are you doing? I'm flying in the windows for you. No, no, no.

Hold on a minute. Where's your wife? Where's your wife? I swear, not Joanne, the other one. The one you got in here. Joanne's been through enough. Claudia. Get your ass over here. I owe you one. I'm going to tell you why. The one you got in here. Joanne's been through enough. Claudia, get your ass over here. I owe you one.

I'm going to tell you what. No, you know what? I'll tell you what, Bobby. I'm not afraid of you. I'm not. You think I'm afraid of you? I'm from Boston. I play with the Bruins.

I'm not afraid of you. I'm not afraid of you. First of all, I'm a Bruins fan. Bobby Orr, much better than you. First of all. That's first of all. I'm not. Forget about everything else.

Second of all, are you out of your fucking mind? You can't beat up your wife like that. That ain't right. What's wrong with you? You know how that works, right? You know what I have to do now? You've heard. You've heard.

I don't want to do that. I don't want to. She looks like a nice lady, I'll be honest with you. I don't want to have to go over there and do what I have to do to her. That's not what I'm doing here. You're making me a bad person, Bobby. That's what I'm talking about. I don't like it. to go over there and do what I have to do to her. That's not what I'm doing here. You're making me a bad person, Bobby. That's what I'm talking about. I don't like it.

I'm warning you right now. You look at my eyes, Bobby. I'm warning you. I'll give you Scott Tucker's number, and you're going to fucking understand what I'm talking about. You understand me? I'll bring an Affleck boy, the one that's really bad to women. Yeah, you don't like fighting. I do.

Let's talk about that, Bobby. All right? That's it. And he backs away slowly slowly and then poof. In a poof of broken glass and grappling hooks. He's gone. Artistics and cell phones. He's gone.

And Bobby is very confused and also a little bit frightened. He does not want to mess. Artistics and burner phones. And burner phones everywhere. Oh, God. a mess and burner phones everywhere oh god so um uh in october 77 too hull received three hundred thousand dollars for the upcoming season and waived payments for the remaining four years in effect uh forfeiting potentially potentially one million dollars for an additional fifty thousand dollars i don't want it she's just take it. He needed extra money that day, basically.

That's hilarious. And the go booty said, quote, he needed some money. He didn't want to stick in Winnipeg. He wanted to be able to go on. He wanted to finish his career in the U.S. Tax reasons, yes, that's part of it. Right after he retired at the end of the year,

but he could go on and do his own thing. That's what transpired. So he stayed in hockey and got paid 250 grand a year. He's still getting endorsements, by the way, at this point. Wow. Still endorsements in 1979 brought him $78,211. Did TV commercials for Quaker State Oil, for Se bank in chicago uh schaefer beer he did uh work for tundra sweaters whatever the fuck that is last boxing gloves oh tundras are nice are they okay

there we go he said he was paid an insignificant amount for that though not very much i swear very much a little bit um go booty they asked if he was still worked for victoria leather which was the company that made shit go booty said i don't know good question i hope so i would like him to he was never paid by victoria leather he never received one dime he worked on a friendship basis i think bobby's going to find himself right now he's just hiding he wants to get away from everybody and everything and try to find himself and compose his thoughts and maybe get back into cattle he's making no money print it print it there we go he's fucking he's out um he uh let's see the end of his career comes he ends up bouncing around a little bit here he makes a comeback with the rangers in 1981 at the age of 42

oh no yeah uh it lasted five exhibition games not much there uh then again later on he ends up uh where does he end up christ because he ends up with uh hartford at one point too i know he gets shipped to hartford from winnipeg it's's a fucking disaster here. Let's look up exactly where he was. There's his numbers here. He was in Winnipeg, Winnipeg, Winnipeg, and then he got shipped off to Hartford, and then after that he tried to make the NHL comeback with the Rangers, and that didn't work out. So in hockey total, he played 1,036 games,

604 goals, 549 assists. Wow. So 1,153 points. He contributed more than a point a game? Yeah. Wow. That's really, really good. That's not bad at all.

So good for him, man. Or I guess whatever. So on the ice, he's really good. I'd love it. So the 1979, the leagues merge. They become part of the NHL. The. They become part of the NHL. The Jets become part of the NHL. And he comes out of retirement that year to play for the NHL, Winnipeg Jets.

And he played in 18 games before he got traded to Hartford for future considerations. And there's that. So and then, like I said, September 81, a five game comeback here. And then, like I said, September 81, a five-game comeback here. Now, the president of the Blackhawks says he's not surprised that he's going to fucking retire. He says Bobby was going to retire every year. Every year he would come in at contract time and threaten to retire. He said, why should I make all the money when she gets it all?

Jesus Christ. That's fucking amazing i know the feeling man i know it the free press wrote about him on his uh on his retirement this is rain r-e-y-n davis he wrote quote you're a champion in every household in the country. Probably not yours. Because you stand for excellence as an athlete, commitment as a citizen, a model of good health, and an example of fair play. And his hair turned silver when he said that. So, yeah, he's going to do that. Anyway, Claudia, who is his girlfriend now, like we said, the estranged dentist's wife. She ends up, this is fucking, she hangs out at the farm with him. And Joanne Hull said in a May 5th, 1980 petition that Bobby financially aided Claudia Allen in purchasing a house in Winnipeg in 1978.

So the newspaper learned that Bobby Hull held a mortgage made to him by claudia marie allen on october 10th 1978 and that in an interview joanne also says that bobby spent eleven thousand dollars to purchase a fur coat and a diamond ring for claudia allen in december of 1979 so he likes giving the gifts out to somebody here um alan who was living with hull at the time uh was living with hull at the home of friends in cheshire connecticut after he'd been traded to the whalers wow yeah they live there she ends up being seriously injured in a car accident claudia does so bad that takes years for her to recover oh. He ends up going back to take care of her. Go Booty says he's living with a girl who was in a terrible car accident, and that's tough as hell on anybody.

He bathes her. He changes her. I can't believe it. I'd bet eight to five that after she was out of the hospital, he'd break it off. I really thought that. Eight to five? Eight to five. I'll give you eight to five. I'll give you eight to five i'll give you

eight to five on yeah who's ever spit those odds out of their mouth that isn't a gambler hardcore gamblers uh bobby was so used to this is go booty's wife now uh go booty yet she says bobby was so used to somebody looking after him and claudia. She was so good to him and he certainly really loves her and she didn't have much of a memory. She doesn't have much of a memory. She said recently, why is he so good to me? I said, Claudia, you're so fortunate. He loves you and you are so good to him. She doesn't know.

It would have been easier to give her back to her family or to have someone take care of her. I was so proud of Bobby. So very proud. 1983. Why is 1983 strange man so good to me well who is that yeah it's why is kurt russell being so nice to me this time that's totally my picture 1983 elected to the hockey hall of fame is that right? Absolutely. 1984, he gets married. Isn't that nice? No. Oh, that's over. That's over.

Marries a woman named Deborah now. Moving on. Yeah. Moving on. Moving on big time, because in December, December 11th, 1986, he is charged with assault and battery of Deborah. Oh, God. After hitting his wife, can't do that in the 80s as much uh during a late night argument in the parking lot of their condominium

uh the police chief said there was evidence he had struck his wife in the face she had some contusion contusion smelling swelling and bleeding an ambulance responded but she didn't go to the hospital um and the other thing was originally he said once the car pulled, he said this police chief tells the media that when a squad car pulled up, that Hull put up, quote, some minor resistance, but there wasn't any physical altercation. Now, in reality, what actually happened, even the chief of police is covering up for you. What actually happened was he was shit faced, knocked her around. The cops showed up. He took a fucking swing at one of the cops and then ran into his condo. They had to break the fucking door off the hinges and physically pull him out of the condo in cuffs.

That's what actually happened, which is way different than some minor resistance with no physical altercation he tried to fucking punch a cop yeah that's what for a guy who doesn't fight on the ice geez he sure saves it up i think that's yeah i don't know if that's what the fuck it is or what so march of 87 so he's charged with both domestic violence and assault of a police officer at this point, too. So a month later, the his wife drops the battery complaint against him. And she says that she does not want to testify against her. And that's just she doesn't want to testify against him. She said she doesn't want to do that. They she said. She doesn't want to do that.

They can't force her to because they're married. That's that. So they asked her if she's being forced or coerced to drop the charge, and she said no. But the police, they still have their assault charge against him, and they are not dropping it. They're not as forgiving as she is, apparently. So April of 1987, he pleads guilty to a charge of assault um there uh for

taking a swing at a willowbrook police officer who was intervening in a fight with his wife he is given you sir yeah may fuck off six months court supervision and 150 fine six months probation for swinging at a cop well if he's not arrested during that supervision, it'll be stricken from court records. That's nice, too. So, yeah, I feel kind of bad for the cop who just came to do his job and got swung on by this psychopath,

drunken lunatic. I mean, Jesus, I feel bad for Joanne and Debra. Poor Claudia. God knows what she went through while she was injured and everything like that. I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy. But not nearly as bad as I feel for Bobby Hull, CFO and COO at Le Cateron, whatever the fuck that is, in Providence, Rhode Island. Bobby Hull, a transportation safety engineer at Robert Hull Transportation Safety, LLC.

Oh. There's lots of shit there. Robert Hull, Rutgers Business School student, aspiring supply chain manager. That's an odd thing to aspire to. Well, we need you, sir. So hurry it up. Fast track that fucking degree. You rarely hear people have like, that's their dream is like a logistical job that like we actually need.

Like shit like that. Yeah, I gotta find out how to get Hitachis to these people. Yeah, he's like, I want to be like a star musician, but on TikTok and like 12 second videos. That's what I really want to be. I want to make millions of that. Bobby Hulk, complex environmental manager. Very complex. Or is it an apartment complex?

I don't know which one. In Johnson City, Tennessee. And finally, Robert Hull, vice president, national pursuit champion at HNTB. I don't know what the fuck that is, but it's the greater Chicago area. HNTB. Hunt bitches. HNTB. Right.

Hunt bitches in the greater Chicago area. There was like hundreds of Robert Pauls. Oh, I'm sure. Jesus. 1997, elected to the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame. Wow. On the heels of that, he goes to Russia, okay? He goes to Russia for a hockey tournament.

He was a guest of the organizers at the annual Spartak hockey tournament. Okay. All right. Well, during this, he's in a big conversation with a bunch of people, including some reporters. Yeah. And he knew they were reporters and everything, but it was a bunch of people talking. And he said at one point, he's quoted as saying, quote, Hitler, for example. Oh, God.

Now. Oh, no. When you start a sentence with Hitler, for example, every head in the room snaps, number one, two. Where's this going? Where's this going? Hitler, for example, was a monster who blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You can say that. Anything other than that is socially unacceptable.

And honestly, just unacceptable in the real world. It's just, no, fuck you. He says, quote, Hitler, for example. He might as well have said, say what you will about Hitler. Like, he might as well have said it like that. Hitler, for example, had some good some good ideas again don't isolate this this isn't my thing then he said quote he just went a little bit too far oh fuck okay i don't even think we need to unpack that like line word by word you can't say that and it's not even of you can't say that because it's bad to say you

shouldn't say that because it's a fucking stupid thing to say not because it's socially unacceptable because it's fucking ridiculous fuck that's crazy so he later by what that that volkswagens are decent cars what is he what is he he later denied having complimented hit. I love the way they put that in the paper. And said that journalists raised the subject. Well, I don't care who brought Hitler up. We're not saying you brought it up. Either way, when it came your turn to talk, he went, decent guy. I like what he's doing. Not bad.

He said also during this whole thing that he didn't like the Canadian, and they were giving welfare payments to people who don't deserve them. And then there was a thing about he was saying the black population is rising too fast. He was saying shit like this, and then he brings up Hitler and shit like that. Started hinting about Nazism and then just went yeah nazi the way it all went it just doesn't sound good then later on after this he is he's asked if it would be fair to describe him as a racist is it fair to describe you as a racist jimmy right what he says is i don't give a damn i'm not running for any political office. Okay. That's not the answer, man.

If someone asks you that out of the blue, you can say that, because what are you asking me that for? Fuck you. If you complimented Hitler five minutes ago, you have to then field questions about that. That's just the way shit works. So he also talked about, also in this interview, he talked about his son, Brett, saying, quote, he's a very loyal kid. Maybe he's not as strong mentally as I was and can't always follow through on his decisions. Hitler's good. My kid sucks is what he just said. I wish Hitler was my kid.

So he said all this, said he didn't care that he said it, and it doesn't bother him. But then in August of 98, he's meeting with Jewish and black leaders and telling them, not apologizing, telling them that he was set up by a Russian newspaper that made him look anti-Semitic and racist. He met at the headquarters of the Canadian Jewish Congress, vehemently denying making pro-Hitler remarks, saying that he's suing the Moscow Times and the Toronto Sun for defamation and slander. Both. He said, quote, I feel there's more to this than meets the eye. I believe I was set up. We will endeavor to prove this in a court of law. Will you now? endeavor to prove this in a court of law will you now um they said that um yeah when he was talking about the black population he was talking about the u.s black population not canada's um so

there was uh genetic breeding and things were brought up into this genetic yeah this it gets worse here why are you asking a hockey player these questions? Because I think he might have said some stuff or something. A managing editor of the Toronto Sun said earlier that his paper has no plans to apologize. He says, quote, Bobby Hull is an icon and we're sorry he's upset about this. But if he had a quarrel, it's with the Moscow paper. We just reported on their interview with him, as did lots of other media. Moscow Times said they stand by their story.

The Canadian Jewish Congress president, Moshe Ronan, and Tony Shelton, that's the director of the Urban Alliance of Race Relations, both said they appreciated Hull's clarification on the story but would reserve their opinion until any court cases settled. Ronan said, we're not here to judge, Mr appreciated Hull's clarification on the story, but would reserve their opinion until any court cases settled. Ronan said, we're not here to judge Mr. Hull. Hull's. You guys can do it yourselves. So then he has to go on and explain further because no one's buying this. So he has to make a statement about it. Okay. If you have to make a statement about it. Okay.

If you have to make a statement that starts with this first sentence, you fucked up bad. You fucked up bad. If you have to make this clarification, okay. Quote to my mind, Adolf Hitler was the most evil and despicable person who ever lived. And there is nothing good or positive that can ever be said of such a man. I deeply regret that some reckless and irresponsible reporter has chosen to spread falsehoods about me and otherwise skew the truth and distort the facts.

Here's a guy that forgot that people report the truth now. Oh, man. Well, there's other people around. This wasn't alone in a room. This is the other thing. There's a bunch of other people. This wasn't alone in a room. This is the other thing.

There's a bunch of other people. The editor of the Moscow Times supported the writer saying that the interview took place in front of another reporter from a different Russian news service. They don't even work at the same place, along with a couple of Hull's friends. An interpreter was also present. But this guy noted that the guy speaks English fluently, so he would know, one of the guys that was there the writer so he said this writer speaks english so it wasn't mistranslated because he spoke english so the editor of the moscow time said we were certainly very concerned about the story we quizzed him very intensely about the story we certainly made sure that we had a story and we stand by it they said the interview was not taped but that the paper had his notes from the time

and um he's been around for about four years with this paper we can't hulk said he can't figure out how these quotes got attached to him he just doesn't get it it wasn't the broken english oh because he's fluent all right maybe it was the vodka breath i don't know he said his lawyer said bobby is floored by this he's stunned upset and hurt all of them he can't believe he said that stupid shit either his lawyer said his lawyer said i told him never to mention hitler i don't know he thinks that sometimes you just mention hitler and it's okay i don't know what the deal is. He said that this is the lawyer's excuse. Hull recalled that the conversation ranged from a discussion of world leaders, including Hitler, to cattle breeding.

Hull is a big cattle breeder in Canada. He said, quote, Bobby said it wasn't like they were having a major sophisticated political discussion. They were bouncing from topic to topic. Bobby said he favored genetic breeding in cattle. Maybe this guy made a mistake and thought Bobby was talking about Hitler when genetic breeding for cattle came up. Bobby can't believe anyone would misunderstand this. How do you get Hitler in genetics when you're talking about genetics and cattle? So we'd like to know, too. Yeah.

But then also the lawyer goes on to say that, on the other hand, this is his own lawyer. On the other hand, Bobby does have a reputation for making wild statements just to see how people respond to it. So he said at one point, maybe the lawyer said that maybe Hall may have said something in jest and it was misunderstood. He said it isn't always clear to everyone that he's joking. Well, when you say

Hitler had a lot of good ideas, that doesn't sound like a joke. Where's the punchline, chief? Like, I don't get it. And? Say more. Like swallowing a pill and. And? Yeah. What? Say more. Like swallowing a pill and blowing his brains out like that? That was a good idea when he killed him. Other than that, I don't even come up with a lot of them.

So, wow. This is crazy. Bob Williams, president of Burns Celebrity Sports Service, whose company has lined up numerous appearances for Hull for paycheck. He has reason to be very silver here. He says that Hull can get outrageous at times. He said, quote, he's just trying to elicit a reaction. He loves to tell jokes. He loves a great story.

Hey, Jimmy. Hey, let me tell you. Dude, I got a great fucking. Dude, you're not going to believe what happened. Okay, check it out. Hitler had some good ideas, right? Dude, crazy, right? you're a real cut up funny as fuck right yeah high five fuck yeah

what telling joke he's a real cut up so um yeah now dancing the lawyer also said he took issue with another quote when he said, I don't give a damn. I'm not running for political office. He says that, quote, that would be a ridiculous thing for him to say. He knows his profile is how he makes a living. To make comments like that would be suicide. Absolute suicide. Yes, it is stupid. That's the point. That's the point. Yes. Very stupid. stupid that's the point that's the point yes very stupid um he's earning between five and seventy five thousand and seventy five hundred per appearance to give speeches and showing up at golf tournaments he uh earns excess of 500 grand a year wow yeah at that point now the translator who was there at hitler gate fucking hitlergate 96 or 98. He now this is it gets more complicated now. A Moscow newspaper. They stood by the report.

The translator who heard the interview say he may have been misunderstood or quoted out of context, though. He says this is Svetlana Murashkina. She told the Canadian press that she was helping another reporter interview hull when a moscow times reporter joined the informal session she said that uh hull who uh was asked about hitler and other world leaders for a story for a feature story on the 21st century okay quote as far as i can remember the question question was, what do you think? Is it possible that in the next century there will appear some rebel like Hitler and Stalin? Let's not go with rebel, by the way. Why are we asking this of a guy who played?

Something like this. This is what the narrator said or the translator. In fact, Bobby Hull answered not directly. She says, quote, he made some speculations just talking on the item the word nazis wasn't mentioned at all he said that for example quote i raise cattle i know something about genetics and then maybe he taught he told that maybe hitler tried to make some perfect race, but went too far. And that was not good again.

The clarification is worse than the claim. What are we doing? That's not better. You're not helping. Hey, you breed cattle. How does that work? Well,

you know how Hitler would do it, right? So when Hitler was trying to breathe, like, no, no, who's coming with the edgy questions who's that guy no don't say that so uh she said uh wow that's that's fucking wild so his daughter on the other hand michelle when

she heard about the whole thing she said quote the first thing i thought was that's exactly like him that's what she said. That's my dad. She heard the quote and said, I've heard that one before. He screamed that in the garage when he can't get the car to work right for some reason. So, man,

that is fucking amazing. So, 2003, he receives the Wayne Gretzky International Award for being a great guy. International. International. Like Germany and everything. Everybody gave it to him.

Jesus Christ. Wayne Gretzky Award presented by communism. Or whatever. Fascism. Anything. Presented by warlords so then there's the world hockey association here um he is named figurehead commissioner of the world hockey association which intends to operate during the 2004 and 2005 nhl lockout but it never played so that was that um uh brett ends up going to the coyotes at one point

his son and they unretired the number nine so brett could wear it while he was there oh as his dad's number they sought and received bobby's permission to do that yeah um now brett says that um he brett says that quote um let's see here this is from an article his resentment about joanne is another matter hull doesn't bother with gloss or revision um oh no no this is bobby i'm sorry not brett i was like why would brett be so mad it's bobby i hate my mom that may make really weird so even this is like 2015 he says quote she still uses my name pissed on facebook she was listed as joanne mckay hull robinson she doesn't just to fuck with him now yeah so those are two married names mckay is her maiden

name so 2016 uh the winnipeg jets defend defend their decision to induct Bobby Holland to its new Hall of Fame after a local critic argued that he shouldn't be honored because of his multiple domestic violence accusations and everything else. And fucking praise of Hitler. And praise of Hitler. He muddied the waters on that one enough where people just kind of laugh that one off now, which is crazy. So the one guy says, on the ice, fantastic player. No one can take away those accomplishments. But this is but it's this off the ice history or behavior that really has me questioning. Is this the kind of guy that we want to honor?

He may not have been convicted, but I don't think that's ever really denied. I don't think he's ever really denied that this happened. Even during his own divorce proceedings in 1980, he basically acknowledged it, saying his wife wouldn't have put up with all this abuse if he wasn't her meal ticket. His own daughter has acknowledged that this abuse took place. Their housekeeper during the divorce proceedings also testified to calling police and having them come and intervene when incidents were taking place. So I really don't think there's too much of a question as to what took place there. 2017, named as one of the NHL's 100 greatest players. Wow.

Now, all through this, by the way, he has been serving as an ambassador for the Blackhawks organization. Ambassador to what? Just to the community. Just this is our guy that we'd like to represent us. Just to the community. Just this is our guy that we'd like to represent us. Then this year, 21-22, the organization announced, quote, when it comes to Bobby specifically, we jointly agreed earlier this season that he will retire from any official team role. They said, though, that he's retiring and they're, quote, redefining the role of team ambassador.

You know, somebody that doesn't say Hitler's got great ideas. Someone who doesn't praise Nazis and beat their ex-wives. You know, things like that we're looking for. Just a couple of qualities. Somebody that doesn't say the black population in America is a smidge too high. A smidge too high if only we genetically engineered them like cattle. That's what he said, basically. That's too high for my liking.

That's fucking crazy., basically. That's too high for my liking. That's fucking crazy. Relievable. In 2010, one of Hull's what they call few acknowledgments of the allegations of the past, he showed little remorse. Asked if he's a different person in 2010 than 30 years earlier when many of these allegations were said to have taken place. He replied, quote, same guy, same guy with the same attitude toward life. years earlier when many of these allegations were said to have taken place he replied quote same guy same guy with the same attitude toward life you can only pass this way one time and if you don't have fun you'll go to the grave and you'll have missed a lot thank you ferris bueller you fucking asshole that way you're not ferris bueller he literally was like what did that kid

say in that fucking movie that time you know the guy the dude from the cable guy what did he say in that movie that's what he said at some point but also he gotta grow as a human being that's what it's about same guy can't get enough well he's still the same fucking guy can't get enough he's still the same guy so hunt him down he's still there also you can get tons of bobby hull merch i mean it's everywhere old jerseys and the blackhawks it's out there don't worry about it so you can get all sorts of stuff there don't meet your heroes man no shit man fuck we we might have uh we might have pissed people off two weeks in a row now. Maybe. Last week we pissed, I believe, one guy off, by the way. There was a whole man. He was very angry that we mentioned Tucker Carlson and laughed at him.

And he chose Tucker Carlson over us. So we said, bye. First of all, we give you hours of funny free entertainment every week. That guy lies to everybody on a daily and i'm not trying this is not right it's not left it's not middle it's not anything it's blow hard full of shit assholes suck dicks and he is well if you love when i bitch about skip balis it's the same fucking guy assholes the same guy says shit he knows isn't true to piss people off that's what skip

ballast does that's what he does it's if you sat down with him for a drink afterwards he'd go poof man i was a tough one i really had to fucking stretch to get there today because he knows they all know it's all a big fucking act it's all this shit it's all that that that fucking article about oh they're so nice with their platinum headed kids it's the opposite but the same thing it's all that that that fucking article about oh they're so nice with their platinum headed kids it's the opposite but the same thing it's all showbiz pushing horse shit down your throat and yeah we were just saying can i have more we were not making a political statement we were making a statement about bullshit that's all it is so anyone full of shit falls into that category i don't care if they're i don't care if your political opinion is james

petrogallo and jimmy wisman should not have to pay income tax if the rest of what you say is full of shit i'm gonna say you're full of shit whether i like it or not it's just the way it is i don't want to pay no no but i pay them both fuck that's the thing so there you go so anyway that's all we're saying we wanted to get to that because we had one guy pissed off and if anybody else is pissed off about that you're free to leave also and if you're mad that we think hitler is bad again you can fucking i don't know you never know nowadays honestly you never know so i'm going to just say it right now we're going to throw the gauntlet down we're anti-hitler so if you're if that's bad we're gonna have to part ways okay all his ideas were terrible terrible not good bad stuff so anyway that said yeah you can't not laugh at political

blowhards you can't everyone should be laughing at these people don't take them seriously no god damn it and i'm not talking about talking about, it's all spectrum sides. Anybody who has a fucking hour they have to fill every night with pissing people off, they're not going to always tell the truth. They're going to say shit to make you. It's bad stuff. It's just a gross person. So anyway, when you think of that, just think of Skip Bayless and go, oh yeah, okay.

It's just a blowhard asshole. It's an idiot. And I'll also fight him, too. Either one. I'll fight either one of those guys. I don't care. I would love to get a hold of ESPN and set that up, and I will gladly rope-a-dope Stephen A. while you pummel that fucking frosty-haired fuck.

Stephen A. will kick your ass, I think. He's a big guy. I don't think so. I think he's a little bigger than you. I think I can beat the mashed potato out of his face. Maybe. Maybe. I don't know. I cannot stand him's a little bigger than you. I think I can beat the mashed potato out of his face. Maybe. Maybe. I don't know.

I cannot stand him right now. Why would you want to, though? That poor guy, you know how much time he had to put in arguing with Skip Bayless? Dude, he's been through enough, Jimmy. He's been through enough. He can't question somebody's mental health and then not point out that he's not a doctor. That's my anger. I think we knew that Stephenven a wasn't a doctor i think

everyone that was watching the show is aware wasn't i don't think i think he's a doctor and then he's going to talk about the fucking the warriors game and the next thing because that's what doctors do but he still shouldn't have said that because that's a dumb fuck thing to say i think that he tries to sell it like he has some sort of personal vendetta. He doesn't know shit, and he needs to shut up. Well, anyone on television with an opinion show, politics, sports, they have to sell their opinion as fact because they're not selling anything. They're selling the thing that everyone has, opinions, that are like assholes like your grandfather told you.

Opinions are like assholes, and everyone's got one. That's what they're doing. They have to fill time. So fuck him. But I couldn't hit anybody who had to look across the table from Skip Bayless every morning. He's been through enough. And I don't know if maybe that caused this. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. If he said that to me, I might give it a pass. But if it's I wholeheartedly believe what I just said, I will knock the mashed potato right out of his face. You know what? I'm going ahead and I'm blaming Skip Bayless. Whatever Stephen A. Smith says in the future, that's stupid. And that goes for Shannon Sharp, too. They get a pass because it was something that Skip said just drove him to it.

I don't care. Anyone who has to spend any significant time with Skip. Skip's wife could kill four people and I'd let her slide. I really would. I'd say she's been through a lot. I get it's been through a lot so uh yeah that said anyway um keep doing this give us five stars if you like the show it helps a lot and you'll combat that tucker carlson dickhead who hated us and sent us an email saying that we're terrible people and even though we've given him years of even though we've given him years of entertainment, one one comment about Tucker Carlson is a bridge too far.

That's too much for me. So bye, asshole. He'd be the guy that you'd happily have thrown out of a comedy club and wave to him as he leaves. We're all still be here. Yeah. Enjoy getting worked up over nothing. You fucking moron over a comedy. So anyway, do that.

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