Crime in Sports - #294 - Long, Thick & Massive - The Theatricalness of "Neon" Leon Spinks

Episode Date: March 15, 2022

This week, we explore one of the most interesting, strange & wild careers that we've ever heard of, combined with a private life that can easily be described as "erratic". He has more arrests than you can count, but one thing remains true, that he's self destructive, but very nice person. An Olympic gold medalist, and member of a legendary boxing family. He became heavyweight champion of the world, in only his 8th fight, and it went downhill from there. Fast. He even had his teeth stolen, multiple times. But one part of him is incredibly impressive, and it's not his right hand! Shock the world, screw it up, and become The Chicken Wing King, instead, with "Neon" Leon Spinks!! Check us out, every Tuesday! !We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!  Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail]  Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurder See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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not a fact of like oh you know maybe they were raised in a certain way or it's not like that he has brain damage and can't speak well because of it so uh we're going to talk about leon spinks Because of it. So we're going to talk about Leon Spinks Jr. Of course. Oh, yeah. Of course. He's a junior. Leon Spinks.

One of the craziest stories in the history of boxing. Honestly, like he was he is a Rocky Balboa level of like this out of nowhere success that no one saw. It's never happened like this in boxing for another human being before. Like this is a story like no other. So buckle up. And also, the level of goofiness in this shit and crazy. It's Mitch Bloodgreen, Ike Ibeabuchi level crazy.

Like, it's fucking nuts. Nickname, Neon. Leon Neon. So, Neon Leon, I should say. Neon Leon Spinks. Born July 11th, 1953. And he always says, 7-11.. And he always says 7-11. That's my birthday.

7-11. Good luck. So he's the oldest of seven children. Okay. And right away, it's tough at home because they live in the projects in St. Louis is where he's born and raised. And this is such a terrible, shitty project that by 1972, they just demolish it. In 72.

That's how like gone. It's crumbling, deteriorating. It's crime ridden. It's not good. Not good to live there. So, um, Leon, he's the oldest. And then the third child that they have is Michael Spinks. Okay.

Remember Michael Spinks from getting murdered by Mike Tyson in 90 seconds, 91 seconds? That's his brother. Great boxer still. Yeah, there's many boxers. Second best at the time. Not as good as Mike Tyson yet. He came in looking like, I'm going to get beat up today. It's going to happen.

So he apparently, his mom is named k his dad is obviously leon his dad leaves very early on he's coming and going never lives with them and uh his mom k holds everything together here she's a real religious lady and um just trying to hold seven kids together in the you know in the 50s and 60s in the project so it's not not easy for for anybody to do that leon not tough at a young age and also very goofy he's i'm not not to judge people he's not the brightest bulb he's just not i mean even pre-brain damage he's just not the brightest guy in the world he didn't start it out a little dim he started out in a bit of a divot and he's been sure and he's trying to climb out and then when you punch someone back down into that divot it's not it's not helping their cause at all here so

it's tough oh leon he used to get mugged for his you know a quarter and a dime the local kids would rough him up he was so easy to fuck over and screw with they called him mess over for a while that was his name what a fun name mess over hey look it's mess over let's take his money that's fucked up and uh later on the older kids would call him goofy leon all the time oh it's goofy ass leon let's mess him over and then they'd beat the shit out of him and take his money like all the time wasn't that a song i swear mess around we're doing a mess around that's what i was thinking too immediately yeah we're doing the mess over we're doing the mess over we take his change out of his pocket now. I think that's the song. So he really just had a hard childhood when it came to that.

I mean, he just got beat up. And that's part of it, too. When you're constantly on a daily basis pummeled about the head and face, I don't think that's good for your brain either. No, no, I doubt it. I can't be good for you, would imagine that'll help with with poor decision making later yeah like his mom and his brother michael said like he would come home bloody like on a daily basis with his face all bloody and fucked up i mean it was constant that's that's frightening you know so awful to be man. Sometimes it creates a heavyweight champion, though.

Well, yeah, that's the thing. It makes you want to fight back. And that's what he did is they started taking boxing just to learn how to not get beat up on the way home. They hang on to their nickel. Yeah, they didn't want to be boxers. They were just like, I'm tired of getting the shit beaten out of me. I at least got to learn how to throw a punch and be able to defend myself a little bit. I at least got to learn how to throw a punch and be able to defend myself a little bit.

So Leon Sr. and Kay, like I said, separated early and father in and out. And Leon's very disappointed with his father. Yeah. Never really likes him. Leon says this, quote, I remember I stayed with him one time and I did something. OK. Something bad, obviously, because check this out. Quote, this is I don't even know who thinks of this.

Quote, he hung me on a nail and hit me across the face with some cord of some kind. It put a long mark on my face. He told me he was sorry, but ever since then, I didn't like him. Okay, I had done wrong, but why do you have to scar me up? Yeah, and it's not necessarily the scar me up. you on a nail and hang you on a humiliation and then whip you with a cord do you know how fucking vicious it is to whip someone with a cord that's vicious emotional scars are so much worse you could defend your house with a cord like if someone broke in your house and you started swinging a cord that they'd fucking run that noise is insane oh shit jesus christ this is a child just hearing that oh god i'd run i don't

know how long that cord is it could be fucking that's the other thing a cord could be 10 feet yeah where'd it come from to come from below from above shit so and hanging a kid by a nail and doing this that is wild so um yeah the father was also in and out of trouble all the time legal trouble had a lot of problems and uh he said that it affected his self-esteem a lot because he was embarrassed that his dad not only was in and out all the time but also in and out of jail all the time so he was like he just and he's getting beat up all the time he just felt like he couldn't do anything here life is no fun at all so they walked into the capri recreation center at 19th and cole streets uh it was near their home and uh like right within a few blocks of their home. And they said they wanted to learn to box. And, um,

yeah. So, uh, Michael said, quote, me and Leon have always been two different people. The people Leon associated with. I didn't.

Leon's fucking crazy. Um, we'll just say here, Michael says, quote, I was a strange kid. I said things when I shouldn't have said things. I did things when I shouldn't have done things as a kid.

I did so many things to upset my mom. That's Michael. Now, Leon really didn't upset his mom at all. No? Leon's a good boy, and he's a nice young man, and they always say they're nice. Everybody says how nice the Spinks kids are. That's the thing about Leon, too,

is he doesn't hurt others, really. It's just all about self-damage and inflicting problem on himself. He's kind of a nice guy. Yeah, he's known as a very sweet guy. So one of these kids who used to box named Claude L. Atkins, he said that the Spinks boys said he used to beat the shit out of them all the time. And he was one of the reasons they started boxing, was this guy. So he takes credit? He does.

Claude L. says, quote, There was a little gang of us in the Pruitt-Igoe, which is the projects they lived in, Pruitt-Igoe, and we beat them up once. I guess things have changed now. I don't think anybody would be ready to jump on them anymore. That was later on, obviously, when they were both you know box champion champion champion boxers um the jim merrill is the boxing coach at the at the gym in these days he says they were in

a bad situation and a bad element it seemed they were always being picked on by individuals in the area so when they were about 13 and 15 they came to Capri and asked me to teach them. And I did. And yeah, he said that they were quote in his first year. Leon won the sub novice championship for boys under 16 years old. He was 16 shortly after, but skipped the novice division, which is the normal progression and went straight into the open division, which is the division he fights it now. That's when they's 17 years old. He's talking about that.

So he went to like a summer boxing program. Sick. It was something because neither of them gave a shit about school either. That's the other thing. Neither of them liked school. They both were kind of an annoyance in school because they didn't care to be there. So it was one of those things. The coach said, though, thehinxes were really sincere about training mike would run downtown

when he didn't even have to train to keep in shape but you know they said um oh uh here we go uh leon said i used to come home beat up every day and then i beat up my brother michael when when michael got tired of having his butt kicked he learned to box too jesus christ um then he goes on to say quote everyone in our neighborhood we stayed in the projects if you couldn't box you got your butt whipped yeah fair enough uh so um the coach here said though he didn't really think that they neither of them were worth a shit as boxers they were just you know nice kids this is season four of the wires what this is too because this gym is in the projects like it's it's dennis wise and it's it's fucking you know this is like naman and michael came in and

one of them became heavyweight champion of the world or both of them did that's the equivalent of it so uh he says quote to tell you the truth i thought they were two run-of-the-mill boys who were just looking for something to do i didn't realize they were really interested in boxing they really proved me wrong and i'm proud they did which it's a good thing they did because school they didn't do much in right and otherwise uh this magazine wouldn't be talking to me that's the other thing yeah you wouldn't know who the hell i was at all i'm a fucking anonymous boxing coach in the projects who the hell yeah no one knows who dennis wise is unless he was on the wire that's how it works so um one of his teachers james williams uh talked about michael as a student he said i taught michael at pruitt school attendance posed a bit of a problem sometimes

he really wasn't turned on by the academic endeavors i guess not so uh putting it turned on by it that's a very 70s way of putting it yeah this wasn't turned on by it man you know what i mean you gotta turn you gotta turn the kids on which is no don't do that don't do that at all no not in any way so when they're turned on about history i don't why are they why are you doing that how about interested let's go with interested there you go let's let's try that one so both of them dropped out of vashon high school and uh that's about that the assistant principal said of michael quote he was a mannerable fellow kind of rough tough but a nice young man i remember his

lovely mother who believed in god and felt all would be well in just a matter of time yes that's how k is k is just like her life is so hard that she's just like all i can do is pray and hope it works out because i there's take the wheel yeah because it's so hard seven kids and guy in and out everything i'm doing is not helping so if you could do it that'd be nice that'd be great if just please i it's hard enough down here so um again i can relate no shit so they they also one thing they're known for though leon and michael is they're both known for petty theft they never get like arrested for it as kids, but they're known for like little things here and there,

stealing from stores and stuff like that. No major enterprises or anything. They're not like, you know, boosting trucks and selling toasters off the dock or anything. Candy bar capers. Candy bars, you know, steal a purse at a diner one day or some shit like that. Little kid shit, basically.

You know, whatever. So they're known as nice young men though one woman here who's a friend of their mom uh she says she remembers watching them play and all this type of thing this is depressing in this article it says she remembers watching her son and the brothers playing in the at the in the pruitt i go before her son lost his life in an elevator accident in the housing project 10 years ago what it was like holy shit an elevator accident who's lost their son that lady this lady yeah they're I guess it was a friend of the sphinx kids they all used to play

together and then one of them died in an elevator somehow did it fall on him did it fall what the fuck happened was he inside it and it broke or was he outside yeah did he like look up the shaft and it fell and oh god i don't know what happened so that is the worst thought ever or was he on top of it riding it and it went all the way to the top like a surfboard i don't know what the hell happened so this is mrs jackson though from from a couple apartments over yeah she says sorry miss jackson sorry miss jackson that your son fell down an elevator shaft or whatever the fuck happened that's what the outcast song was about it was it was about a little boy who fell down an elevator shaft and their their grief and they're wanting to shaking your ass to that song now yeah first verse was about him falling in a shaft an empty one second

verse was about him getting crushed by an elevator that fell. Third verse about him riding the top of it as it fell. So it's a variety. They don't know what happened either, but they're going to explore. Yeah. Enjoy your happy hour pricing. So she says, quote, one thing that always stands out in my mind is how they always respected elderly people. I've never known them to disrespect

adults they get into a little trouble like every kid in pruitt but still managed to keep their heads above water they were really nice boys that's what she got and it's always nice nice nice uh one guy even the uh the teacher says as i remember them both were nice but leon was a little more verbose a little more gaudy and flamboyant. Michael was very quiet and unassuming. I remember when he came back from a boxing match in Poland and said, oh, by the way, I went to Poland as if he'd been in East St. Louis. Like, it wasn't a big deal. Just, oh, yeah, yeah, I went to Poland.

Michael got a job as a dishwasher at the Holiday Inn. Oh. Oh, yeah. Michael got a job as a dishwasher at the Holiday Inn. Oh. Oh, yeah. A fellow cook at the place said, quote, you wouldn't believe he's a boxer. He said, he doesn't act like somebody. He brought me souvenirs back from one of his trips in another country.

He speaks to everybody and is just glad to help out. Just plain nice, you know. Yeah. They just love him. His boxing coach gets a little pushback saying that they might be pushing him a little too fast, too hard. And when you hear the heights, because this will be done with this amateur shit in about five minutes, and then it's just going to explode into craziness. So when you hear how fast it actually happened, it's wild.

So the coach said, I think they were going pretty fast, but they were ready. Why? I remember when Leon asked me once to teach him some more about boxing. I looked at him and said I taught him everything. I taught him everything I knew and just to get in shape and go out and win. Three years in a row, he won the 178 pound National American Athletic Union Championship. I only know of one other boy that ever did that. Both of those boys make me so proud.

This is the first championship fight of theirs i've missed i plan to go but there was a death in my family and so there this guy loves him so what a shitty uh game plan by the way yeah get in shape and go win i mean well he said i taught you everything i don't know anymore that's all i got i'm at a gym in the projects i don't know like i'm not the best boxing coach in the world go win yeah i taught you i guess beat people up now i mean shit so okay here we go now it gets crazy from here on out fucking buckle up um he meets a woman named zadie may calvin okay okay Okay. Okay. Now, she grew up in the same projects here that Leon did and was only 17 when she gives birth to their first son. Yeah. Leon III.

Leon III, Jimmy. It's Leon III. God damn it. Leon III. He never marries this woman here. Really? No. Leon III. He never marries this woman here. Really? No.

They have three sons together, but they never get married, and that's the way it works. Wouldn't it be cool if he named him Threon? Threon. That'd be amazing. Neon Threon, he could have been. It would have been much better. I like Neon Threon. I want a kid named Threon now. So, well, stay tuned, Jimmy.

We'll talk about it a lot more. So, Leon III is going to, his name when he boxes, because he's going to be a boxer later, his name is Leon Calvin, he goes by. He takes his mother's maiden name, but officially he is Leon Spinks III. He is Threon. There he is, Threon. So, they never get married. They have three sons

another one is cory spinks you ever heard of him he was a no multiple times champion yeah you've seen him on hbo he boxed on hbo for years and years and years in the 90s and 2000s really fucking excellent fighter we'll talk all about it so there's a woman here who he meets who will have uh he'll have many many many many encounters with because he'll be with her for years. They'll get married. And crazy shit's going to happen from that. Okay. This is fucking.

Dude, I can't even believe I'm going to read this because it's just fucking hilarious. Should I read? Okay. It's very sexually explicit and hilarious. Oh, boy. This woman wrote a book and describes their first sexual encounter together. So this isn't coming from his point of view. This is coming from her point of view here.

So, okay. Let's just get right to it. Okay. Here we go. First encounter with his future wife. Quote. One time. Yeah.

Quote. with his future wife. Quote. One time, yeah. Quote, Leon pulled himself up on his knees, leaned over, and held me for the first time.

I hugged him back, and it felt strong, warm, and right. Leon's breathing was heavier now, warm on my neck and shoulders. You hot yet, Jimmy? You into this? Hell yeah. He stood up,

held out his arms, and we walked back to my bedroom together taking our glasses with us oh we got a drink yeah of course you gotta have a drink with this all scene i yeah there's there's animal skin rugs on the ground jimmy i fucking sense it i can see it it's the 70s everybody the arms limp he's holding the top of the glass. The pew bushes here are fucking outstanding. Okay, here we go. He's glasses. Leon had started coming out of his clothes as I went into my closet in the dark and took my clothes off. Leon asked me what I was doing, and I replied by coming out of the closet in my robe.

He reached and grabbed me and said, quote, woman. He started out saying woman is his first fucking word. This is the best 70s shit I've ever heard. Woman. He said woman. It gets better. Woman, you are the sweetest, warmestest softest thing i have ever run across and you're cute too thank god then he says and this this is a wow this is a like a quadruple entendre here i know this is going to be deep it's a lot going on there i'm gonna make you a 13 on he said all of this he said that's his that's

the quote that she wrote in a book about it woman you are the sweetest warmest softest thing i've ever run across and you're cute too i know this is gonna be deep okay's a hell of a quote. It is. I looked at Leon because the last remark made me nervous. Oh, boy. How deep we talking, fella? Well, wait till you hear this. I pulled away and walked across the room to sit on my bed. I felt like I was in the principal's office waiting for my turn. I lifted my glass and began to sip from it.

I watched Leon walk across the floor by the window through the moonlight which caught him just right i could not believe what i had seen next sentence leon had the biggest penis that i had ever seen and that's still true it stands quote thick, and massive. Which is absolutely the name of this episode. I'm writing it down right now, and massive. Long, thick, and massive. There's no other. How the fuck is that not the title of the episode?

It's done. He had a two-fister, huh? Like the two hands on top like oh yeah you can play you can play that little game with the bat yeah you could she could have invited a friend over from what i understand it's not two fister this is like a four fister see who plays outfield yeah he named it three on because you need three people to be able to control it so long thick and massive, I choked on the wine. And Leon, she went, oh, she like gasped.

Like, oh my. Oh, dear. He has a startling penis. That's. Like, if a penis can startle you into choking on your drink, that's a huge cock. Like, if you, what cock could surprise you to that point where you'd go i'm sorry is that a cock or are you fucking swinging a louisville in here i've seen porno where i had to change to a different one because it was i was it was like that i was like i can't

possibly no no you didn't do a spit take any noise noise she makes, I'm never going to hear that noise for the rest of my life. But you didn't do a spit take. Then again, you weren't knowing that it was meant for you soon. That's the other thing. You weren't in the same room with it, with the moonlight shining ever so softly on it, with him calling you woman, with that thing swinging between his legs. Woman? I was not trying to game plan accommodation of it but i certainly was uh

appalled it's so big it was more yeah it's so big perpetual motion applies to it if you start it swinging unless you stop it it'll never stop it just keeps going forever it's you can fucking when it hits other things it transfers the energy to it, and that's why things move. That's right. So I choked on the wine, and Leon was now on the bed patting my back. When I stopped choking, he began kissing me. That's nice. He waited until she was done choking. Thank God, yeah.

He began kissing me, running his tongue over my neck and shoulders and down to my breasts, pressing himself against me. Here we go. Oh, he's a very thoughtful lover. He's a gentle, gentle lover. But he has to be, otherwise. Do everything I can for you. If he didn't get you so fucking ready,

there would be pieces of you on the walls when he was done with it, apparently. So that's why he's got to really prime you. I'm going to do some things that feel nice, because something else is gonna be tough for you and i already know it and i apologize you're gonna have to want it so bad that you'll go i'll give it a shot why not otherwise i'm fucked man yeah so he's on the bed patting my back when i stopped running okay uh down to my breast pressing himself against me i could feel his penis was firm and throbbing j Jesus. She could feel the throb?

Jimmy, listen to this. I pulled back and saw it was too heavy to stand erect. What? Hard and dangling because it's that heavy. It's just the weight of it. It's too much. Heavy. Heavy.

She said too heavy. So if you have this dick, you don't even need a cord to defend your house. You take that thing out i'm running because if we get to combat and you win i could be in deep shit here so i'm gonna get out of your house or he will be yeah just that will be in deep shit he will be deep and shit deep and shit that would be my defense so i just run out of my fucking bedroom stark naked with my cock in my hand waving it back and forth ah you'd be like oh my god what the fuck it's startling and you'd run away so um that's awesome good for him good for him good for you leon leon pulled the curtain back so the moonlight would

shine in my face what the fuck is this what is he doing choreographing this hold on baby i want to see the moonlight on your face who the fuck does that when you're when your dick is throbbing that hard are you thinking about where the moonlight's shining are you no i'm telling you it's it's to try to set the mood to try to make it easier for her he has to it has to be he must have seen that look before yeah holy shit he said this is more for you than me this is wow then he says here's a quote from leon again in the midst of the action quote oh baby oh baby i know what the deal is now don't worry i'm not going to hurt you i know know what I got, and I know what I'm doing, and this ain't your first time. You're experienced.

It will be okay. Listen, I know how to swing this dick, and you know how to take it, so let's not fucking kid each other. That's what he just said. Let's not fucking kid each other. Let's not fucking kid each other. Just because it's bigger than everybody else doesn't mean you can't handle it. Don't worry.

This ain't your first rodeo. It just happens to be the biggest bully you've seen. It's fine. You know what I mean? That's all there is to it. It's just the best Brahma you'll ever ride. You'll ever fucking ride. This is amazing.

I watched Leon take my pillows and position them between us. After a few painful, awkward moments, it was happening. They could get it between pillows? I don't know if he was like between us. I don't know if he was like propping her up to get it the right angle. I don't know what the fuck he was. Why would there be pillows between you? That's a weird.

I don't know. Is he showing off? It's so long, he's got to make it comfortable for her. It's just showing off. Don't worry, I can get you from over here. Oh, it's like a stand, you mean? It's like a little stand that he keeps. So it doesn't like bow in the middle.

It's that long. It might bow in the middle if he's. It's like scaffolding. That's what I mean. You need supports. He needs support beams. That's what it is he's got he should carry around little fucking like you know like dowels monster um so yeah we were making love passionate love yeah leon had started whispering something again and again i strained

to hear what he was saying he He was saying, quote, she can cook too. I got to give that a standing. That was the greatest sexual description I've ever heard in my life. That was fucking amazing. That was amazing. Was he talking about her or his penis? She's making his penis cook. I don't know what it is.

Then I looked down and... His penis can cook too? He then i looked down i've never cooked a thing in my life i didn't know what he was talking about then i looked down and saw smoke coming from my vagina and said whoa slow down big guy wow uh that's a wild fucking tale right there people anybody would say that nice thing about me that's so kind wait do you hear this is a woman that hates him later, too. And she still wrote that. His cock is so big, it's undeniable. You can't even fucking, you still, even if you hate him, you got to go, but his cock, it's amazing. So, 1973, he joins the Marines.

Is that right? Have we had that yet in a boxer? I don't know. Is that right? Have we had that yet in a boxer? Like, I don't know. Riddick Bowe did it after he was champion when he lost his mind, but not like as a start. And when he joined, they didn't even take him, right?

No, no, they took him. He's in. They took him? No, he goes to the Marines, and he is, well, yeah, this is 73. I mean, they didn't know how long Vietnam was going. No, I mean, Riddick Bowe, they didn't take him. He got kicked out very quickly. He was in there like a month, and they were like, you're too rich for rich for this you don't fucking you can't hack it here no he had like 200 million dollars and he's like i'm gonna sleep in a barrack on top of another guy no they're like no

that's for people that don't have this well yeah it's like you're you're this is like a fucking this isn't a summer camp for you like these are people who actually are like you know they're trying to make a career or they're just trying to get money for college or they're, I don't know, defending their country, whatever the fuck they're fucking, whatever their motivation is,

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That's a hell of a headbutt. Oh, yeah. This is now Leon's signature. He's got no teeth always forever. And he smiles with big no teeth, and that's his whole thing. So the fact that he doesn't speak well to begin with from the brain damage, add no teeth to that, and you really got something. From the brain damage, add no teeth to that, and you really got something. So he'll get multiple sets of, you know, whatever, like a denture plate.

And we wait until you hear what happens to those. So he says about this, quote, no, I ain't no vampire. Okay. All right. Talking about his teeth. And he says, sometimes I leave my teeth in the hotel. One time they were stolen by a maid or somebody who got a key to my room and they got my teeth. They were in a plastic container. That's the first time someone steals his teeth.

In a hotel. That's number one. There's more. Keep a tally of how many times people steal his teeth and then keep a tally of how many times in your entire life you've ever heard of someone stealing another person's teeth put those two together if you wow if you don't have your own teeth you should never be more than i don't know 10 or 20 feet away from wherever you keep the replacement teeth i would always have like a a dedicated teeth pocket where i'd like have a

to be big enough for the tooth cup and i'd put it in there and keep it like they'd be on me at all times my replacement teeth would be very close very close so yeah that's what he says now in the amateurs he won three consecutive national aau light heavyweight championships 1974 75 76 which is amazing the first of which came against michael dokes who's one of our guys here so we've talked about him uh this is when he was still in the marine corps um as an amateur too he wins numerous all sorts of shit here um the 1974 four world championships he wins a bronze medal um he wins a silver at the 1975 Pan American Games as well. And then in 1976, let's see, 1976, he wins the Camp Lejeune.

I don't know what the fuck. It's a Marine fucking thing. He's a Lance Corporal at this point. And he wins the Open Championships at 147 pounds earlier so he and his brother make the 1976 olympic team that is awesome him and michael yeah and they've never been brothers that there's never been a pair of brothers to win medals in the same year olympics before in boxing so they're trying to make history here um their mom gets to go which is pretty fucking cool she couldn't afford to go she said that normally she watches their fights

quote in front of a borrowed television set in her small apartment in the darst web housing complex what which sounds sad um but apparently the the st Louis Post-Dispatch did an article about the Sphinxes and their tough upbringing. And now the fact that they made the Olympic team together and they're nice kids and all this. And so somebody called the paper and said, I want to send the mother to the games. I want to sponsor her and let her go. So he asked to remain anonymous. So we don't know who the hell he was but that's awesome though he said quote whatever the cost is i want to do it i've played sports all my life and i and so have my kids i can't think of anything better than going to see my kid win a gold medal in the olympics the height of everything must be standing up there on the

platform and getting a gold medal and hearing the national anthem yeah so uh and everybody else has got one chance she's got two she's got two yeah one could fuck up and she's like all right all right fuck him yeah clear him out i was rooting for anyway uh mrs spinks said quote god bless him god bless him god bless him uh she said this is just like getting a diamond ring for me that's the only way i can explain it i'm just so happy i can't believe it i've never had a trip like this this is just so so nice she's she never never been on a plane before she said too so this is first time on a plane um yeah they uh the way that goes here

spinks uh uh well let's do michael first here i guess all right i right, I'm going to fuck it. Leon, he does. He beats Abdel Latifi Fatihi. He beats Anatoly Klimanov. Otomar Sachez. Gnus Gortat. That's my favorite. He sounds like an NBA center. Gnus Gortat. And then he beats, I think it's Cuba's Sixto Soria to win the gold medal in the light heavyweight division.

Michael does. Leon does. I'm sorry. Michael wins gold in the middleweight division. They're the first pair of brothers to ever medal in boxing in the same Olympics together. And they win golds. That is awesome. Yeah, which is fucking impressive.

And mom gets to see it. So this is pretty goddamn cool. Did they also give her vagina an honorary gold medal well we don't know what his father's packing maybe it's from her side no that's a good point but she birthed the two she birthed them oh okay okay i was like jesus i don't think they're fucking their moms i don't know why i thought i'm still worried about the last woman's vagina. That's the problem. I'm worried about if she had ever recovered. Mom should have gotten something. At least a gold coin. I don't know.

Stay tuned, Jimmy. Stay tuned. Remember what she said? This is like getting a diamond ring. Just keep that in mind. So Leon Spinks says, oh, the gold, man. It was great. I fought for my country.

I represented the United States. They can take away any title but nobody can take the gold from me so that's it it's he's a gold medalist forever his amateur career first of all he has 185 amateur fights what leon does so when you talk about brain damage 185 amateur fights and his style is not defensive remember when that guy said i taught you all i know apparently defense wasn't part of it because i think i didn't know that he's not a good defensive fighter he's not a real he's not a polished boxer by any stretch of the imagination he's got an amazing stamina he's got a good chin and he hits like a fucking you know hits like a monster that's it that's

that's what he's got he fights like the bully or the the bullied fighting back yeah he's like a guy you wouldn't want to fight but uh yeah he finishes his amateur career 178 and 7 wow with 133 knockouts by the way that's a lot so he's a my God, he's dangerous. He's very dangerous here. August 5th, 1976 in St. Louis is Michael and Leon Spinks Day. Okay. They have a fucking they have a fucking parade. Jimmy.

Wow. There's awesome. There's a goddamn parade. I mean, this is like a month after the bicentennial. They had that and then they had the Spinks Day. It was the city fathers to honor the two young men who became the first brother combination in Olympic history to win boxing gold medals. Then they're saying how Leon's a Lance Corporal in the Marines and they, you of Kiner Plaza or Keener Plaza at 6th and Market Streets and all this type of shit here. So there was a big deal. They had the local drum corps was there.

They paraded them by. Their mother was there waving to people and people are fucking cheering. It's it's pretty nice. So then the Mrs. Georgia Buckowitz, who's the director of the city's parks and recreation and forestry service, she said that Mrs. Spinks deserves a token and gave her a key to the city to match their sons because they gave the sons a key to the city. Gave her one, too. She said, quote, she deserves a medal, too. Mothers are very influential in the way their children are brought up. There you go. Especially if they're the only parent there. they're the whole influence at that point and then key to the city

just give me a key to my own fucking house better house and then hamilton jewelers incorporated presents mrs spinks with a diamond ring wow they gave her one and uh the the brothers their first grade teacher gave mrs spinks old photographs of their sons at school that she had from before. So a diamond ring. Could you be more proud as a mother? No. Your sons have gold medals. They're rolling down the main street in your city while people cheer with medals and keys to the city, and they give you a diamond ring.

How proud can you be? Yeah. Not even Grace yet. No. Like, how proud can you be? Yeah. Not even Grace yet. No. You expected Grace, didn't you? Didn't you expect Grace right there? This city didn't give a fuck about us 15 years ago. Today they're giving us a parade.

That's Grace, right? No, it's not. Not yet. No. In any other story, that's Grace. In any other story. That's grace in any other story. But it's not grace because what happens to him is the craziest thing in the almost in the history of sports. It really is one of the biggest crazy things.

So it makes Buster Douglas look like nothing like that's how crazy of an upset. So 1977, January 15th at the Aladdin in Las Vegas is his first professional fight. Wow. He fights Bob Smith. That is your first professional fight? That's a guy who needs a nickname, and luckily he has one. It's Natchez Lightning. What?

Your name is Bob Smith. Just stop it and give up. That sounds like a micro brew. Yeah, Natchez with a Z. Natchez Lightning. It does sound like an IPA. Yeah. not just with a Z. Not just lightning. It does sound like a micro, like an IPA. Yeah. Sounds like an IPA.

Flowery as fuck. Man, that shit stinks. Smells like somebody's armpit. Yeah, it's a good IPA. That's what that is. That's not just. This guy's 8-7-1 here. And Leon TKO's him in the fifth round.

So 1-0 as a pro here. So much for lightning. Yeah. Next up, he's in Liverpool. Really? Goes over the pond there in March of 77, March 5th. He fights Peter Freeman,

who's 13-8. Okay. So gets this guy KO in the first round for Leon. So comes out more confident. Also that Freeman was a late replacement for somebody else.

So this guy had like a week to train this happens a couple times with leon he gets lucky like that uh march 20th 77 so 15 days later he only was only a one round fight this is in louisville at the exposition center he fights jerry mcintyre who's one and two and uh okay this is a first round knockout for leon bringing him to three and oh this is really the golden age of his time here because it gets ugly after a while next up in may may 7th 77 he's at the keel auditorium which was a big old wrestling place that was like oh the keel was the hot shit in uh in st louis okay the keel in st louis um. So there he fights Pedro Schoolboy Augusto Ortiz.

That's his name. Schoolboy is his nickname. He's 28-8-1. Good fighter. Solid fighter. Leon knocks him out in the first round. How about that? Looking pretty good.

Yeah, he's looking good. He's 4-0. Uh-huh. I mean, that's not bad, man. You're looking 4-0. Uh-huh. I mean, that's not bad, man. You're looking 4-0. That's pretty fucking decent. June 1st, 1977, at the Forum in Montreal, he fights Bruce Scott, who is 10-37-1. Yikes.

Wow. How much brain damage do you have, sir? Why put yourself through that? Why would you do that there should be a rule that if you if it's if you have like more than 10 more more than a certain amount of fights you can't have like if you have 10 wins you can't have like 30 losses and still fight once you get like three times as many losses as wins you have to stop because if you got 30 losses and your wins are still single digits hang it the fuck up man this isn't for you well scott goes, Scott goes down twice in the second and once in the third,

and he ends up winning, Leon does, with a KO in the third. Part of the reason is that Scott looks so bad here is because, number one, he has 37 losses. And I feel like the reason why he might have so many losses is because he does dumb shit like this. This guy was literally a last-minute replacement. The guy who's supposed to fight Leon, Greg Jerome, didn't show up for the fight. Was he afraid, do you think? They were waiting for him.

He didn't show. So they were like, are there any other boxers here? Yeah. You, put your fucking gloves on. Let's go. So he wasn't training for this fight he didn't you know it's obviously not going to go well for him the doorman just agreed to help he's like i boxed a couple of times i've been around uh 48 to be exact not so good but i could

do it so five and oh for uh leon he just goes to all the places hoping he's got his bag with him hoping someone doesn't show up and he can make a couple hundred bucks. That's what it seems like, that Bruce Scott guy. This is October 22, 77, Aladdin Theater in Las Vegas. He fights Scott Ledoux. Remember, we've talked about Scott Ledoux before. Scott Ledoux ended up working for Vern Gagne in the AWA as a referee, and he was the guy. He's in the WrestleRock Rumble, actually.

He has a verse where he talks the guy he's in the wrestle rock rumble actually he has a verse where he talks about larry's abisco yeah right i wondered if he was related to the country singer chris ledoux that's the one so uh this is he's 21 6 and 1 scott ledoux if you've ever seen his head it looks like um it's a lot of head it looks like there's a it's made of like stone and then somebody just mushed some clay around it that's his that's his head not particularly shaped they just were like there that's face there you go that's a man face just done squished it on his that's what he looks like so he looks like he could take a punch and uh this one goes all 10 rounds and it's a can split decision draw it's a draw. Oh, no. Yeah, he's just a tough journeyman fighter who knows how to hang in there.

And Leon doesn't have enough skills to break through that sort of thing. So that's what happens. And this guy just stays alive because he's nowhere near as good a fighter as Leon. He just knows how to hang in there. So Leon's 5-0-1 at this point. November 18th, 77, at the Hilton in las vegas he fights alfio reggetti yeah i see it's alfio reggetti hey that's i'm sorry that's i gotta even make fun of that it's too it's too much it's too much go by

al al reggetti's fine that's a guinea enough sounds like a name of one of the one of the inglorious bastards picked to blend in and say they were italian that's yeah that's what i'm saying al righetti sounds like you own a chain of pizza places in queens that's fine alfio there we got spaghetti and meatballs yeah alfio righetti now you got an organ grinder and a monkey now you're you know what I mean now you've turned into a fool now Alfio though not a guy to fuck with 27-0 coming into this fight

this is no joke man Alfio I don't know who he's beating up over there but he's beating somebody up so this goes all 10 rounds again this time Leon wins a unanimous decision he's 6-0 and one so he's six oh and one that's and you can tell like he doesn't have a lot of experience he's you know he's not a

guy he needs more seasoning is what you're talking about so the next thing that happens is the most ridiculous and crazy thing in the world you'd think you're gonna know, line up a couple more kind of journeyman guys so he can kind of get used to that being able to pound out a win. Instead, on February 15th, 1978, he fights fucking Muhammad Ali. What? Who is the world heavyweight champion. At the time. At the time.

He is the world heavyweight champion. Because he's a gold medalist, he's got a, back then, if you were a gold medalist, you came out of the shoot hot. It's not like now where no one gives a fuck what you do in the Olympics. Back then, I mean, there was three channels. People watched the goddamn Olympics, and if an American won the gold medal, they were a hero here. We'll use him somewhere. Yeah, Sugar Ray Leonard was the same thing. He came out.

He was a star before he ever had a fight. So same deal. So Ali, he gets a shot at the world heavyweight title, which he's clearly not ready for, obviously. No. No, Scott Ledoux, he couldn't fucking beat. He couldn't beat an AWA referee who moonlighted out as a bartender like eight years after this. You know what I mean? So it's a mess why you would do this.

And Ali is thinking it's just an easy payday. This is a tune-up fight here. That's all it is. That's it. The way he put it, Ali, later on, he was undertrained and overconfident is what it was. He's just, that's what Leon was. Gets in there.

He's an eight to one underdog, Leon. And he's only eight to one because he won the gold medal. So other than that, he wouldn't even be, it would be 30-1. You throw $100 on that, right? Yeah, that's what I mean. Who cares? Yeah, this is something you throw a shot on here because Leon's a big puncher, so you never know.

He could come up lucky. Could be like a Haseen Rahman situation where he gets a lucky shot and then drops him. And all of a sudden you get $800. Done. This is also a 15-round fight, which he's never done before, Leon. Oh, my God. So they're very worried which he's never done before leon oh my god so they're very worried that he's going to be able to go 15 because ali knows how to hang in there if he wants to is the other thing three minutes or 15 fives three three minute rounds three right yeah

three minute yeah that's 45 minutes yeah that's what's a fucking long time to fight so that's not even with somebody else get up and box like a boxer like on the balls of your feet and throw punches for three minutes three right because i've done it do it for three fucking minutes you will have to sit down for an hour if you do that do that 15 times while somebody other that knows what they're doing is punching you in the face and stomach and see if you can fucking do that be like i can't stand anymore pop pop pop oh jesus and you have to do that 15 times against you know one of the top fighters that's ever lived in muhammad ali who's the champ at this point so fighting literally muhammad ali and his at his

best and he was uh he was it was his idol too muhammad ali's his idol, he said. Of course. Since he was a little kid, he's loved Muhammad Ali. So this is like, it's crazy. His mother sat in the crowd with the Bible in her lap. She just held the Bible close. Just praying for 45 minutes. She said, worked in the Olympics and I'm going to try. So she was. She was just praying.

What's harder to do? Fight Muhammad Ali for 45 minutes or pray for 45 minutes? Or watch your kid fight Muhammad Ali for 45 minutes? pray for 45 minutes. Or watch your kid fight Muhammad Ali for 45 minutes. That's got to be difficult. Well, shit, people pray for hours every week, and they seem to, they're playing with snakes and shit sometimes. If you get into it enough, you can do it. But this is a different story. Pray hard, though.

Please don't let Ali beat my son up that bad. Spinks Leon says about it, quote, when I fought Ali, I was scared until the bell went ding. So he was leading up to it. Then I did my job. He talked a lot. He was the mouth from the south. He hanged clothes on his mouth. Hanged clothes on his mouth?

I don't know what the fuck that means. So as they're fighting, Leon goes on to say, he said I was crazy. I talked trash to him i came from that type of neighborhood he was talking trash to me he said you're gonna tire out i said come on old man get in the fight he's not doing it so thing is leon never gets tired really he does ali does the old rope-a-dope on him and it doesn't work because he just doesn't get fucking tired. It only works if you get tired. George Foreman was out of gas in that fight that he beat him in, and you could see it.

He's barely standing before Ali's hitting him. Leon's just like, I'll hit you for fucking three weeks. I don't care. I'll keep pounding. Have you seen my cock? I'll hit you with my cock if my arms get tired. I don't care. I'm from the projects, man.

I need this. I got a lot of fight in me. Yeah man i need this a lot of fighting me yeah i need this you're muhammad fucking ali i need this shit so uh he says that uh that uh quote uh my trainer said hit his arms said fuck it if he's covering up fucking well on his arms you won't be able to lift him that's ali wants you to do that because he figures you'll tire out hitting him before his arms will get tired from being hit but that depends on the guy getting tired who's punching you he said then later on later on ali couldn't use them when he wanted i was putting too much pressure on him i knew he'd try to win in the 13th 14th 15th that's the way he beat george foreman uh he got humbled i had more wind than George Foreman. I knew Ali because I'd been watching how to stay on him and when to lay off him and save my strength. I didn't follow him around.

I cut off space. That's a big deal with Ali is you got to do that. He wasn't in great condition. Ali ran out of gas and I could have gone 20 rounds. I just know one thing. I went in with one thing my mother taught me. When a man hits you hit him back there you go so he said i grew up watching him fight i listened to the sunny list and fight on the radio

wow um so after the 14th round ali fucking wobbles to his corner at the end of the round not looking good um he just sphinx was working his body like a motherfucker. And if you're tired anyway, and then someone's beating your body up, that's, that's rough. Um, the final round was, look it up round 15 of, of Spinks Ali one. Just look at it. It's fucking amazing. It's two guys just saying, well, this is the last round, leaving it all out here. It's fucking, it's nobody's, nobody thinks like I got this. I'll lay back.

There's none of that shit. It's yeah. Nobody's playing it for the scorecard. No, it's almost like nobody thinks like i got this i'll lay back there's none of that shit it's yeah nobody's playing it for the scorecard no it's almost like this is sudden death here this is it whoever wins that they're both looking like whoever wins this round's got the fight so they absolutely fucking go at each other but ali looked old and tired and spink still had a lot of pop in him and he was quicker and um never tired. In the end, it goes the distance, all 15. One judge awards it 10 to 5 for Leon Spinks. One judge scores it, Art Laurie, scores it 8 rounds to 7 for Ali. And then the third judge has it eight rounds to six

for Leon Spinks with one round being even giving Leon Spinks the fucking split decision win and he's the heavyweight champion of the world now beating Muhammad Ali Muhammad Ali was

55 and two coming in by the way he was 6-0 and 1 Muhammad Ali was 55 and two coming in, by the way. Fuck. He was 6-0 and one. And he's now the guy who just beat Muhammad Ali. Do you understand the catapult? He began the crumbling back to what Muhammad Ali finished at. Absolutely.

Yeah. Ali doesn't really fight much after this. We'll talk about it. He comes back and they fight again. And then he kind of takes some time off. And he looks terrible against burbick and holmes later on you know when he does that but this is it's wild i mean you can't you can't imagine the level of explosion that this called the crowd went fucking insane too um they said this leon spinks give muhammad ali parkinson's he didn't help but i, but I think it was the later fights that really

settled it, because Holmes and fucking Burbick wailed on him, and he just couldn't defend himself. He couldn't defend himself. I think it was started well before that. Ali let George Foreman punch him for 14 rounds, so that's never going to be good. Perhaps we just blame it on George.

Yeah, he took a lot of left hooks from Joe Frazier. I mean, he's been took a lot of left hooks from Joe Frazier. I mean, he's been in a lot of wars, man. Little cinder block hands foreman, though. Jesus Christ, man. Can you imagine getting punched by that guy? There's so much weight. Repeatedly, as your strategy.

So George Benton, who is Leon Spink's trainer, said, when they announced the first judge had voted for Ali, I thought, oh my God, they're going to give it to him and there's going to be a riot. How the hell am I going to get out of here? Because the crowd went nuts. That first judge gave it to Ali and everybody booed because Ali had won a lot of fights that people thought the other guy won. He got the decision because he just, that was the way it was. And so people were like, oh bullshit, it's happening again. They're going to do it again. The next two judges went for sphinx. They went crazy. Bob Arum, who's the promoter and usually nominated for silver-haired middle-aged white man of the year. I think he's won a scummy, actually.

Historically, not a great guy. No, definitely not. He said if Norton had fought Ali the way this kid did, he would have won. He said this kid isn't sophisticated enough to think he was ahead on points. That's why he didn't back off. He said he just kept fighting, and that's why he's the champion. Wow. 15 rounds straight.

This is heavyweight champion of the world, Rocky-level upset. This is Rocky Apollo Creed level. February 19th, four days later, he is on the cover of Sports Illustrated with his big toothless fucking grin and the World Heavyweight Championship over his shoulder. Grace. That's grace. There you go. That is fucking grace as shit right there, man. Can you imagine?

That is crazy. Like, if there was a picture of a mountain, but it doesn't have like a place you can stand on, it's got a pointy peak like you drew one with a pencil. He's standing on top of that point right now. One foot on one side of it, one foot on top of that point right now like one foot on one side of it one foot on the other no no both feet on the point he's that high up like somehow he's balancing it i don't know how the fuck he's doing it this is as high as you can go right here it's amazing so uh uh post fight afterwards ali was leaving and somebody said good luck champ as

he was leaving ali said don't call me champ I ain't the champ now you don't have to call me champ to be my friend oh that's fucking sad that's the saddest thing Muhammad Ali ever said it is it's so sad he's like that's the saddest thing you'll ever hear and I'm gonna be fucked up real soon so even this this is sadder this is sadder than parkinson's so uh he then this article says goes on by the way to say quote he probably will never be champ again he's talking of how he will be the first man to win the world heavyweight title for a third time in a rematch with leon spinks perhaps in september in iran in iran in the late 70s. Why are you serious? Because he will not give away the early rounds as he did Wednesday night. I'll dance.

He predicted. I'll dance through 15 rounds, but he's 36 years old. He can't dance for 15 rounds anymore, and he can't con the judges into thinking he's winning a fight when he really isn't. So they're they've counted Ali out. Spinks is the new guy. Fuck it. Okay. Future of boxing. Spinks is the new guy. Fuck it. He's the future of boxing. Now the problems start.

Okay. This is very segmented. This is unbelievable success. Yeah. Amazing problems. Yeah. Insane deterioration. It's in three parts.

This is a three-act fucking... This is like a tragic Shakespeareanpearean three act this is like fucking hamlet intermission this is your phone grab some popcorn the hamletness of fucking that's how dramatic it is it's so much of leon spinks what was it it's long thick and massive there it is the hamletness of neon Leon Spinks. Unbelievable. Or the theatrical-ness, something. The problems begin here. Now, first of all, he has problems with his manager.

And his legal problems are going to get huge. But quickly, he's got manager issues. Mitt Barnes here is a Teamsters official in the St. Louis area. And he's also, uh, Leon Spinks, his manager. Really?

So he's got a teamster from St. Louis as his manager, which, wow, that's, that's what you do when you're fighting club fights to make sure they pay you a hundred bucks at the end of the night. You got to have a guy that go,

you better fucking pay that money or I'll crack your fucking skull open when he's got a cigar in his mouth. Well, once you're the heavyweight champ of the world, you don't have a teamster from St. Louis mad at you. He's a little more sophisticated than that. But Mitt Barnes said he's the manager of the heavyweight champ, but I get the feeling from everybody is the manager but me. They won't let Leon talk to me. They're trying to steal him from me.

Yeah. He said, I'm not mad at Leon. It's Bob Arum I'm mad at from top rank. He says, that's the new promoter there. And he says, Butch Lewis, who's Arum's partner there, he says, he's been heard to describe Leon Spinks as my boy. So, yeah. He said, in order for, but in order for Spinks to defend the title, Mitt Barnes, because he's the contractual manager, has to approve the opponent and sign the contract as part of it.

But now he said he doesn't know if he's going to agree to anything because Bob Arum's involved. He doesn't want to deal with him. He's considering litigation against Bob Arum and Leon Spinks. He doesn't know what to do here. He says, I don't want a settlement. I want to manage leon which i'm not doing now fair enough um this started back in like the early 70s this relationship of

when he was an amateur i mean it was not even a it was nothing here um mitt said quote i have no quarrel with sam who is one of uh one of leon's trainers he said uh he's a great guy but now in the papers i read that I don't have right of approval for Leon's opponents anymore. That's wrong. At the January meeting, we got that straight. They had some meeting. Barnes goes on to

say, he only had seven fights and if he lost, we didn't know what was going to happen to him. He had no protection. Talking about going into Ali fight. He said, so we got Leon a contract which guaranteed him eight fights over two years with a minimum of fifty thousand dollars for each fight and we also got all his three hundred thousand dollars for the ali fight aram wanted to give him two hundred thousand and put one hundred thousand in escrow okay he said before that his first seven fights, he earned a total of $105,000 in the first. So that's always like a year. So that's not bad for the 70s. Make 100 grand. But in your training costs, you're dishing out at least half of that. You have to pay all these people and gym time and everything.

He said, I've been paid all my money, although there was $2,000 from the Rigetti fight that I didn't get until the January meeting. But the money I'm worried about is Leon's money. I was putting $400 a week into the bank for him in St. Louis, but then he and his wife had the account transferred to a Philadelphia bank. He's got nobody to protect his money now. Handling all that money is going to be hard for him. It came so fast. Yeah. all that money is going to be hard for him it came so fast yeah yeah but true i'm i think i'm baffled mostly by how that structure works in that sport that why do they require somebody to i mean i realize that the boxer shouldn't have to negotiate what he's going to get paid for fights

but in in in shouldn't he know what his fight is worth? Shouldn't he know? And when you have boxers who are very business, Muhammad Ali knew, he controlled who he fought, when he fought, how much money he made, on what channel. He's smart. He knew how to do all that shit. But they depend on these guys being young and stupid and uneducated and had been hitting the head of shit loads

since they're 11. So like, don't worry. You just worry about throwing those punches, kiddo. I got you covered. i'll take care of all that shit that's what they all do and this is silver as fuck why is the guy that that uh gets that for him or or takes care of that for him worth so much fucking money because that doesn't make any sense he didn't throw a single punch and he's taking millions of dollars from him that's all these promoters, yeah. It's everyone from Bob Arum to Vince McMahon to Dana White to anybody who's involved with that where the fighters don't get really a fair cut of what they get. It's obvious.

I mean, if you go and they own nine houses, I think maybe they might be fucking digging a little deep here. I think you're taking a little too much. Yeah. I totally agree. That's the silverness of the a little deep here. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're taking a little too much. Yeah. That's what I totally agree. That's the silver, the silverness of the whole boxing situation here. You can't make anything unless you are on top of the world and then you can call the shots. Other than that,

you're just a fucking pawn who they're going to put you in to get your head knocked in. So Spinks said, I don't think anybody's going to steal me. Maybe people are trying, but there isn't a man alive who can take me away from mitt i love the man we've been together and gone through too much for too long that's why i like mitt uh to be on the inside looking out okay that's all his problems now his legal problems begin like a fucking avalanche okay why because he just beat

muhammad ali and rather than training a lot all he's doing is going out to nightclubs and shit and being the heavyweight champ of the world and having everybody fucking love him and shower him with love and affection. Yeah, but why does that cause legal problems, James? A week after he wins the championship, the Hamilton Motor Hotel in Philadelphia sued him to collect $1,164 in room charges that he had run up but not paid. He lives there. He lives at the Motor Hotel in Philadelphia here. Why? That's where he's living. That's where he's living. A week after that, the Nevada Athletic Commission suspends him for having a sore rib injected with Novocaine minutes before going into the ring to fight Ali.

So they suspend him for a little while after that. Okay. So that's illegal? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But it's not a performance enhancer. And after 15 rounds, it's not going to do much. But still, they have to do something about it.

So we're talking a week after he wins the championship, sued by the hotel that he was staying in, suspended from boxing. And then nine days after that, the Woodbine Apartments in Philadelphia take him to court over $560 in unpaid back rent. $500? $560. Two months? How long is that? It's two months. Two months rent.

Is that a year? Maybe. This is terrible. That's two months rent. The next day, the WBC, World Boxing Council, stops recognizing him. He's got two belts. The one from Ali. But the WBC stops recognizing him as the heavyweight champion because he refused to sign to fight Ken Norton, who's the top contender.

Right. Choosing instead to sign it for a rematch against Ali because that's where the fucking money is. Yeah. No one's bigger pay. No one cares about Ken Norton. The storyline is, can Ali come back and fucking take his title back? So, yeah.

So they end up giving the title to Ken Norton instead. They give it to Ken Norton who ends up losing it to Larry Holmes later on. So that's how it works. Okay. That's what happens when you gift something to somebody

that is earned they're gonna lose it they're gonna lose it they're not gonna take as good of care of it so that's all happened the day after that happens after they strip him of one of his belts he's arrested in st louis for going the wrong way on a one-way street and not having a license while doing it not not carrying a license he just has no driver's license whatsoever it's not suspended it's not revoked it's just not existent he just didn't get one ever just decided to get a car instead the wait is over so far you're not losing the only thing you're losing is my patience quickly. I see that The queen of the courtroom is back. I didn't do anything

You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. I see he's not intimidated by anything I can fix that new cases. She wanted to fight me leave her Aloha, okay, so, um. This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes, Your Honor. You married his cousin.

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It's streaming. You can say anything. Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. He's taken to the station in handcuffs and booked for this. And they said that's not the normal thing. He was very nice, but they were kind of worried about him you know just changing his mind and knocking one of them out so they cuffed him

um the it's just best if we restrain these things that's all yeah absolutely he is ultimately fined you sir may fuck off 25 for this offense um a month later he goes the wrong way on a one-way street again, driving without a license as well. Still didn't get one. He's fined $12 and $10 in court costs after he tells the judge that he's unfamiliar with the neighborhood in which he was driving, and that's why he got arrested. The judge should have said, but you don't have a driver's license. You're unfamiliar with cars, too. That's the problem. What the fuck are you talking about? a driver's license you're unfamiliar with cars too that's the problem what are you talking about what's wrong with you i didn't know that but what about the license part oh yeah that's it oh yeah sorry shit yeah you're right oh yeah we reminded you i don't know a week

ago not to do that remember when you got arrested for it oh yeah that's right. Oh, shit, man. I forget sometimes. Muhammad Ali punched me for 15 rounds. So Bob Arum said, quote, all the landlord had to do is get in touch with me at top rank. I would have advanced the ones for rent and got it back from Leon later. Well, if you rent an apartment to somebody, you don't know who to hunt down to get the rent in case that person doesn't pay it. You don't go, well, who does he work for? Let me call that guy and see if that'll fucking work. Like garnish your check for rent. That's not a thing.

Maybe I'll garnish him. So March 19th, 1978, he is arrested again. This is for driving, Jesus, again the wrong way down a one-way street. He has no fucking he doesn't know what his sense of arrows he's not getting this arrow thing maybe if he would have you know gotten a driver's license they would have taught him that explain out what those signs mean yeah he's like is that what that is oh shit okay there's a whole book with a key and everything it's an index page or something one way like you're only allowed to drive one way.

Okay, I get it. See, I thought you can go one way or the other way. And, you know, I didn't know what they were saying. This way is one way, I guess. I don't know. It says one way. I just picked my own. Dealer's choice?

Is that what it is? I think it is. It's dealer's choice. So he flies from later on that that night flies from st louis to miami uh spends a night in miami beach and then he's supposed to go from miami beach to the bahamas and they do he does a tour of the caribbean doing like three round exhibitions that don't count as anything just fucking around and doing some stuff april making money is what he's doing. April 22nd, 1978, 4 o'clock in the morning at the White Castle, right across the street from his home projects in St. Louis.

He's the heavyweight champ of the world. He's hanging out at the projects at the White Castle at 4 a.m. I keep it real and shit, but you have to expect a there's no criminals are going to be out to get you and b there's going to be fucking cops that want to fuck with you take you down a notch there's going to be carjackers are going to be hustlers there's going to every fucking thing you can imagine trying to take you out anywhere and that's anywhere you go a casino the projects a boardroom it doesn't matter his favorite excuse is i didn't know the neighborhood this one he has zero excuse you know this neighborhood you know this very well well

this is different here uh he is with uh by the way a 26 year old woman who named charlene gunn who really is the whole catalyst of this whole thing and definitely not his wife and he's with her at four o'clock in the morning at white castle so that's not gonna look good later on yeah he pulls into the white castle with his headlights off at four o'clock in the morning apparently um so as he pulls in a cop is in the parking lot and asks him why your headlights aren't on and he said i don't know i just came from across the street and didn't put them on. Didn't know the neighborhood. Don't know the neighborhood.

It's, you know, or I know it so well, I don't need to see it to know where I'm fucking going. That's how well I know this neighborhood. I know this neighborhood. No, no, no. This isn't like before. Officer. So they said, all right, well, let's see your driver's license.

And he's like, I don't have a driver's license and he's like i don't have a driver's license what are you kidding me obviously not have you looked up my record so at this point charlene gunn in the passenger seat is according to the police report is starts cursing and yelling at them and calling them racist and saying that if he was white he wouldn't be fucking uh asked why he didn't have his headlights on and all this stuff. So then he starts getting like real abusive with them, calling them fucking names and shit. And so they said they began to search Spinks and they got them out of the car. They start to search Spinks and Spinks.

He's got like a big wide brim black hat on. There's a lot of pictures of him wearing it. It's like a big fedora. So he takes his hat off while they're searching and throws's a lot of pictures of him wearing it it's like a big fedora so he takes his hat off while they're searching him and throws it on top of the car so the other officer grabs the hat hands it back to him and he takes it off and throws it over on top of the car again like away from him a couple of feet yeah so they're like that's weird now why would you you know we put it back on your fucking head so the cop takes it and looks in it. Maybe he's hiding something.

Goes around the hat band. He finds a tinfoil wrapper here. Oh, no. With some white powder in it. Happens to be cocaine. Yeah. Yes. So they said also they find a small amount of marijuana on him when he searched at the police station later as well. And we'll find out exactly how small.

Problem is, too, Charlene's got how small problem is too charlene's got a purse full of weed like she's got it bagged for sale she's got like or they just bought like eight nickel bags or something like which is highly possible i mean that's how a lot of places you'd get weed as in like nickels or dimes or something so the bag she's got a purse full of nicks so they're gonna bust her as well here so the next day this comes out spinks arrested for cocaine you know what i mean it's sounds when you hear how little it is it's remarkable but it sounds bad ali in the newspaper the next day says he's been framed because they're gonna fight again and they they gotta have people want to fucking see this guy fight so it's ali needs to say it's worth millions for him to be framed.

You know what I mean? So Ali comes out in the paper and says that he's been framed. Also, his mom is saying he's framed. A bunch of people are saying Leon's been framed. He is accused of cocaine, which is a possession of cocaine, a felony at that point, carrying a maximum punishment of 10 years in prison in prison so oh my big deal also possession of marijuana which is a misdemeanor and uh maximum of one year in prison he's got no criminal record so it's not like i mean other than

driving fucked up uh his mother k uh says that she believed the charges were a plant and that the affair but she said in the end the affair may prove a blessing in disguise. She has so much faith in Jesus, man. It's wild. Like, I'm all for it. If that's what's good for you, great. But, like, that's a lot. Like, whether it's the Olympics, Muhammad Ali, cocaine charges,

she believes. She believes. She's sticking with it. She said, quote, this is an opportunity God gave for an even greater blessing for leon with a spirit of love and humbleness we can overcome this lady is fucking beautiful man she's just a motherfucker out of this thing she's just she's fucking you need a woman like that around or someone to go wow okay all right i can do it i guess yeah like she's pumping you up um ali goes tell goes on with barbara walters with fucking barbara walters on abc news

and says that he believes the charges were a frame up designed to destroy him he said quote somebody found some marijuana in his car or cocaine. He's got the title and certain people want to take it from him. They seem to be doing everything to destroy him. And I just think it's all a setup. Someone probably planted it because he's the champion and a great fighter and has no reason to take cocaine or smoke reefers. Smoke reefers like it's the 40s. Did Ali start out in a jazz band or something in the fucking in the 30s louisville that's what did it he's smoking reefers that is hilarious um wow so uh anyway charlene gun

was arrested as well like i said now when he's pulled over pulled over he's already in the parking lot when they come up and ask for his driver's license he doesn't say i don't have a driver's license or something like that he says quote come on man you know who i am i don't have one you know i don't drive with a license which is you know who i am i'm the champ and now you know you remember that the champ doesn't drive yeah well he's saying you're a cop here all the cops know i don't have a license obviously you know i'm Leon Spinks, the unlicensed heavyweight champion of the world. You know that. Two things you know about me.

Champ, no license when you find me. That's it. Why are we even talking about this? Don't ask dumb questions. Yeah. The officer said about the woman in the car, quote, If she hadn't given us such a hard time, I imagine he would have simply given Spinks a traffic summons and not even bothered to look in his hat. He certainly gave us no trouble.

Now, yeah, they said it was there. They found weed as well. Like I said, they said they were analyzing it all. Charlene Gunn, like she was arrested, several, several quote packets of marijuana in her purse packets it's ready for shipping uh she was they they they sell weed like like pop rocks there yeah packets little little envelopes sealed um said that they were booked on she's booked on possession of marijuana and interfering with a police officer as well. Her brother, by the way, the cops knew her because her brother, Charles Gunn, was found shot to death three days after Spinks won the title. And they believed that her brother, who was shot to death, was an accomplice in a two-week earlier burglary at the St.is art museum where four statues were stolen oh he's

doing some fucking like a highbrow art thievery that's if you fucking okay like i i grew up in a shitty area with poor people around if i stole valuable statues from an art museum i would have no fucking idea where to sell those as that person ever. I would have not unloading them is one thing. Unloading them is crazy. Yeah. Try to get the actual money they're worth. Now we have them.

If you don't put them like in your house, what else are you going to fucking do with them? You're going to get either arrested or fucked over hardcore by somebody who knows what they're doing. Sell them for very cheap. Yeah. So he was implicated in the burglary and then was killed. So that's how that happened. Now, the patrolman Stanley Mirzajewski, Mirzajewski, Mirzajewski.

M-I-E-R-Z-E-J-E-W-S-K-I. That's the officer. Wow. Officer Polak over here. He described Spinks as, quote, that's the officer wow officer polak over here um uh he describes sphinx as quote um uh he said he was a little high strung at first but then he quickly settled down and he said quote we hated to arrest him yeah it's a bummer we liked him uh asked about the arrest he says i don't really have any comment at all it just happened that's what leon says they said were you treated unjustly and he said yeah i felt that way but i ain't uh i ain't nothing but ain't nothing i can do about it now and they said do you feel your rights are violated and he says yeah i

think so then they said does that entitle me to a lawsuit then fuck yeah i think so then they said that means do i want to go to jail for cocaine? No, I don't, actually. Not really. Then they asked, do you think you're being harassed? And he said, no, not really, which is a total opposite of what he said. Which is it? Yeah. Why were they? Okay.

He said, quote, I didn't have no cocaine allegedly found in the hat. I didn't know nothing was there. Okay. Then Bob Arum says, of course, because he's going to be the silverest motherfucker ever here. His money is depending on this. He says, this is the United States. Okay. I'm going to say something clear as a thing.

If someone who's in any criminal trouble, anybody, someone you know, somebody, a fucking movie star, doesn't matter. Anybody gets in trouble for anything and their first words of explanation is quote this is the united states they're so fucking guilty it's disgusting they're so fucking that's not i didn't do it because bomb bang bang not this is the united states okay that's not that's not what i asked you of whether you did it or not. I know where we are. Thank you. How are you going to couch this excuse? That's anybody. It's every time. And a man is innocent until proven guilty, he says.

That's true. As far as I personally know, Leon does not use drugs. Okay, great. So, yeah, he said that he didn't know anything was there. said they didn't know anything was there and uh one of the cops said uh he said that uh um he wasn't gonna well they weren't gonna respond to whether they were planting evidence he said all i can say is that we typed the report and presented the facts as they were and the warrants were issued after the circuit attorney saw the reports so there you go um he uh um michael said he doesn't know a lot about what Leon's doing right now.

His brother, Michael, he says, but quote, ever since the Olympics, they've been giving us hell stopping and searching us, expecting us to be fooling with drugs. That's what he says. Um, uh, after the Olympics, uh, the, the police say the car I rented the day before was a dope trap that I was being used to sell dope. Instead of searching the car, they wanted to search me. They knew who I was, but they kind of pretended they didn't know and tried to sling around, throw me up against the car and try to search me. But I refused to let them do it.

I knew I had nothing to do with dealing drugs. That's not me. They want me to walk around with my head down because we have been boxing out of Philadelphia. St. Louis don't appreciate what we did. That's all Michael saying. That's what they're what's going on. Yeah. So the police here, the official police response is we don't ask our officers to give people breaks, but the officers do have discretion in traffic cases.

We expect them to be fair to everyone. If it's drugs, it's drugs. Be it Leon Spinks or the president of the United States. There you go. and in traffic cases. We expect them to be fair to everyone. If it's drugs, it's drugs. Be it Leon Spinks or the President of the United States. There you go. So you want to hear about what a fucking load of drugs he had? Oh, Jimmy. How much was the drug mule packing? It was, I mean, Leon, honestly, it's like a Scarface level of drugs here.

In a tinfoil wrapper, they one one hundredth of a gram of cocaine it's like seven particles grains of coke yeah that's exactly what it is and uh 0.21 uh of a gram of marijuana so how how do they have a scale capable of measuring that that's like a roach and a fucking that's a digital scale you can measure a hundredth of a gram on that but that that small of a fucking it's nothing that's breathing on it that's how people sell drugs those hundreds of a gram add up after a while if you have an empire so yeah that's blowing on it digital it's yeah it's grains it's literally grains and point so a fifth of a fucking gram of marijuana as well so tie a roach and Coke from two years ago that he had in his hat or something.

So the detective here with the Police Department Narcotics Bureau said the street value of the whole. I love when they do street values. It's always really inflated. $2.50. $1.50, he said. Said street value about $1.50 on this one, not a big bust. We're going to hold him for 10 years on this. Yeah, he was like basically, this is fucking stupid.

So his lawyers, Leon's lawyers, start looking for witnesses to this to back up his story. They give out handbills. They fucking print stuff and hand it out at the White Castle that it happened at. One of the guys here, his lawyer, said, quote, there apparently were a lot of people there at the time. That's a high traffic area, even at four o'clock in the morning. We're hoping that somebody

heard the conversation. There's a number of unanswered questions. We saw the police version. I'm looking for the other side. The handbill says, quote, urgent. We need your help anyone having seen the arrest of leon spinks at 4 a.m friday april 21st 1978 please call his lawyer and it has the number yeah four days later they get a witness uh a man comes forward says he witnessed this and disputes the police version that he was stopped because his headlights weren't shining this is uh don taylor who works at a storage unit storage firm that says here

he said he was in his car in the parking lot when spinks was arrested he said the lights on spinks's car were on one of the policemen walked up to spinks as soon as he drove onto the lot and asked him for his driver's license the officers who made the arrest say they said they did not recognize spinks before talking uh to him on the lot they knew who he was before and they went up to him i heard one of them say hey there's leon spinks he's got no teeth so he's very and he's probably wearing the championship belt over his shoulder while he's driving he's wearing a giant fucking felt hat no shit man so yeah that's that's what they have they have that so the result is in may a st louis circuit court uh grand jury refuses to indict leon spinks on drug charges because

there's that's ridiculous fucking it's so nothing. $150. It's so stupid. He is fined $50 in court costs for driving without a license, though, obviously. He was scheduled to have a preliminary hearing, but his attorney asked for a grand jury appearance instead, and they refused to indict him, so that was that. People think he needs guidance. That's all it is. He just won the title like three months ago, so two months ago. $1.50. $1.50. Ken Norton. Don't mind. he needs guidance that's all it is he just won the title like three months ago so two months ago a dollar fifty a dollar fifty ken norton ken norton comes up here a dollar fifty for weed and coke combined street literally a roach and four grains of cocaine like you even if you sprinkled the four grains on the roach you're still not getting much of a buzz off of that it's really hard you're really gonna have to smoke that down

i couldn't get it you couldn't get a toddler high on that come on deep deep breath let's go you better hope there's a shitload of resin at the tip of that joint oh god it's really really concentrated you'd have to be so So Ken Norton says, quote, he's on a self-destructive course. Ken Norton's the other heavyweight champ that he had to give the belt to. He needs someone he can really confide in, someone who can straighten him out.

Leon about that, they ask him, and he says, quote, I got a friend, my wife. Someone who'll take this big old dick. That's what I got. Don't you worry about me. that's a friend have you seen this thing hold on let me slap it on the table there see that anybody accommodating that is a hell of a friend that's a hell of a lady right there uh and as far as being confused i'm no more

confused than the average man going to a new job yeah he's he's he's only had seven eight fights right now. Right. Like we talk about these guys. They don't get into live famous shit till they're 20. It's usually like their 20th fight. The Olympics. And some of his fights were so fast.

It was barely a fight. Yeah. He has not doesn't have that many rounds of experience at all. He's being honest. This is still a new job. Fuck. Yeah. They ask him, are you being used by people around you and he says

quote nobody makes a move unless i say they can do it so there's that um barnes mitt barnes his manager there said quote he doesn't like being told what to do he don't like to be watched and he don't like to be followed he don't like to be watched and he don't like to be followed i'll tell you that right now cigar out of his mouth yeah he doesn't want to be any of that shit. He says, quote, this is Mitt again, I will if they let me. That's what he says. They're talking about his bodyguard. Never mind.

So his dad, they talked to Leon's dad at this point. Funny that he's resurfaced now. Yeah. Hey, how you doing, Leon? Yeah, I always knew you had it in you. When I was beating you with that cord while you dang knew you had it in you when i when i was beating you with that cord while you dangled from a nail when you were eight i thought this kid's got potential look how he's taking this it's pretty good so i gave you my name because i knew

you were just just as good as me i knew you were special uh dad says quote leon never ran the streets when he was a kid he always was in the gym he's he's run the streets more in the last six months than he ever did as a kid so uh yeah what's what i mean i know because i was in jail and people told me now leon says quote there are good points and bad points to being champion the bad point is trying to be a human being just an average human being like everybody else i would like to be able to do a job and when it's over enjoy my life that's why you wouldn't be getting that much money if you could do that that's the problem with that that's no one's going to pay you five million dollars to do something for an hour and

then go home and have nobody bother you right give it some time you'll be irrelevant enough to spend it later no shit so they ask him are you broke do you have money and he said quote how in the world could I be broke? I don't keep 450 people around me like Ali. So Ali's got quite the entourage at that point. So here we go. More arrests. OK.

He ends up the possession charges are dropped, like I said, and he pays a $10 fine. Told you about that now uh on the way here uh now he has to go to jacksonville north carolina to uh to do training right so he is arrested there for driving without a license and having an expired registration as well on the way to go train yeah 52 fine there then the next day he is driving near jacksonville north carolina and he gets hit in a radar trap doing 40 in a 20 with no license, obviously. So he didn't fix that in the last day. Nope. He's fined $27 and just a bunch of court costs, too.

Then he ends up going to Miami, where they said he just disappeared into partying for a couple of weeks, just gone. Just lost him completely there. Having a great time in Miami. Yeah. Then he ends up in Elira, Ohio, E-L-Y-R-I-A. There's a farm up there that they train on. A bunch of boxers train there. And he drives his Cadillac through somebody's fence on the first day he's in town um

leon should really take like a driving course and get a license like you know what i mean he really should i feel like it would help him a lot because he would know laws he would know how to stay on the road maybe all the instruments and everything and then when he did get pulled over it would be a simple transaction it wouldn't end up in jail he also needs google maps because he not knowing neighborhoods is dangerous for this man one-way streets driving in through fences i mean jesus it's a goddamn fence usually signify don't come through here that tells you not with your car anyway yeah so um he's been cited so many fucking times it's ridiculous here um he's arrested he's ticketed he's fucking

toad he does all this shit he also ends up reaching an out-of-court settlement with the owners of a portage michigan house which he lived in uh they claim that he damaged it beyond repair and he had to pay sixteen thousand dollars in damages and bought the house from them 16 that's what he just bought the house yeah he fucked it all up somehow um okay now teeth let's talk more about his teeth here his wife nova by the way she's the one who is impressed with his uh long thick and massive cock right um they say and michael sir i'm sorry leon says that she's the one who one who everybody's afraid of in the family. It's not him.

She said that, quote, I never beat up on Nova. She beat up on me. That's what he says here. Yeah. When we was dating, I'd come home with a bloody nose and my mother would ask me what happened and I'd say, the N-word's got me. That's not what he said, obviously, but I'm going to say that. He said, but it was Nova.

His girlfriend was whooping his ass, not the other no she she didn't give me no bruises but man she beat my ass that's a great lie tell you how tough she was when i walked down the street with her wasn't no n words gonna bother me he's like it's shit change all the everybody in the neighborhood's not bothering my ass so nova's a badass yeah oh man um uh according to nova here she said at this point in time he's pulled in a million different directions including to white castle with other women so um and the stress of their marriage puts a lot of stress on them and she files for divorce here during this whole thing as well really he hasn't had another fight since ali think about that arrest arrest arrest fucking sued and this and that managers and have you heard fighting training none of this shit nothing

nothing drama is what you hear. Driving through fences and shit. Anyway, as a part of their divorce, this is fucking amazing. Okay? Nova gets the house, first of all, and is also awarded, I don't know how she got this, one of the sets of his teeth. What? Apparently, she took this I'm taking half shit seriously and took i'm not kidding you got one of his sets of fucking teeth what the fuck is she gonna do with his teeth

i don't care how fair it is financially you can't use those why should you have them you got the house what do you need my teeth for too how vindictive is that You got the house. What do you need my teeth for, too? How vindictive is that? That's like true lies. What kind of a sick bitch takes the ice trays? She took his teeth, man.

That's sick. You generally add up the assets, divide them down the middle. I guess they had two sets of teeth. What if he had two prosthetic legs? Does she get one? Like, what the fuck are we talking about? This is not, this is shit that's in his body. It's it's not like you know shit that could be sold at a pawn shop i've never seen teeth for sale at a pawn shop she gets going out teeth or like his casual teeth he's like he's got joe pepitone he's got his gamer rug and his fucking going out rug he's my going out teeth

so she's awarded a pair of his teeth which is a set of his teeth which is amazing that's incredible so he's still the uh wba champion because the wcbc stripped him as like we said so september 1st 1978 right this is fucking amazing um he is involved in a traffic problem but this time it's not actually his fault. He is preparing for the bout that's coming up on September 15th with Muhammad Ali. And for this, for two weeks, he's going to be in, what is it, Hilton Head, South Carolina. Oh, no, that's not it. I think they're down in New Orleans, I think, where this fight's going to be, if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah, Superdome in New Orleans. Okay. So they're in New Orleans. He's coming from the airport to his hotel. He's the champion there for an Ali fight. He has a motorcade. I'm serious. A motorcade, limos, all this shit, right?

So the officers are escorting him to the hotel. One of the officers rear ends the fucking back of his limo. Yeah. A $35,000 limo. So Spinks gets out and starts arguing with the fucking guy. It's your fucking police escort. Figure it out later. You have managers. Get the city.

You'll pay for it. It's a fucking cop ran into you. God damn. That's pretty funny. Yeah. The city's good. They're going to get yelled at later. Fuck, man.

That's not my problem. I don't own either of those vehicles he gets out starts arguing about it which is fucking amazing um did he give him a light uh a ticket for no license no shit right so they end up uh no he ends up nothing there so he's not driving which is good he's in the back of the limo it'd be funny if he hopped out of the driver's seat of the limo and he has no license. He's driving his own limo. Oh, shit. Like a month ago, too, he was in Hilton Head, South Carolina in a minor traffic accident as well.

It was the fault of the other party at that point, and no charges were filed there. September 15th, 1978, Ali spinks to, all right. This is a big fucking deal. His manager, George Benton, said, quote, the only way Leon loses the fight is if he loses to Leon. There you go. If he goes haywire, doesn't live right, I just don't know how the fighter lives, but the only way he loses is if he falls on his own face. Okay.

There you go. And they asked Ali, like, why'd you force him to get stripped of the belt to have this fight basically why couldn't you have waited till after that and ali said this game is money with the following i have sphinx and me is the money fight there you go yeah he's like what are we we're not doing this for prestige here we're doing this for fucking money we're all getting punched we're all getting our brains bashed in a week we're trying to get stack as much as you can until i can't remember my name anymore you can't do this so um the more money you have at the end the better the health care uh of who takes care of

you when you pissed your own pants fucking exactly so um this by the way totally different than last time when his mom snuck in and held the Bible and that was the only person there. This time at the Hilton nearby, 61 rooms are charged to Leon Spinks. Holy shit. He's like everybody he's ever met there. He just said, I don't have 450 people around me like Ali. And it's like, well, if you have five to a fucking room, you do. Six to a room, you do.

So anyway, they cost him $7,000 a day. A day? A day for two weeks. Then there's another 50 rooms throughout the city that were filled by other members of his entourage that he was also paying for. Holy fuck. So they're all in his corner, too, and all that kind of shit. It's pretty fucking interesting. in his corner too and all that kind of shit um it's pretty fucking interesting now uh they're as the fight goes on he's um he's just not as they said he's just not with it he seems like

he's in the in another world um you know he just won't do anything he said leon his manager said leon just didn't seem interested and it's 70000 people are filling the Superdome, most of them rooting for Ali to fucking win it back. You know, that's the storyline. Doesn't seem turned on. It's just not turned on by it. Leon said, they didn't bother me, the fans. I blocked them out. I wasn't out of shape.

I put on some weight, but I was still in shape. How can you be out of shape? I went 30 rounds with the man. So this fight goes all 15 fucking rounds again um he watches the videotape by the way they gave him a videotape and i guess it was from like espn classic or some shit i don't know where the fuck but he said it was edited and he says i think i won the second fight i know they just show seven rounds in the whole fight the ones i won they cut out why just show seven rounds where were the other rounds why didn't he win uh why did he win a unanimous decision and not show the whole 15 rounds it does go to a decision and ali wins in

a unanimous decision so now he's seven one and one and has no title and it's just this guy who beat ali once yeah um and he says about it he thinks he should have won uh leon does he says i didn't say nothing why should i it's politics they wanted ali uh it ain't what you know but who you know so there you go he says uh at one point he looks uh sphinx is called an untrained boxer by Howard Cosell, and he says, fucking Howard, which is just fucking funny. Eight hours later, though, there was something cool, he thought. Apparently, this was the time when Anwar Sadat and Menachem Begin and Jimmy Carter were having the Camp David fucking summit there, which was a big goddamn deal. And they all watched the fight together. Is that right?

Yeah. And Ali said, can you imagine that? The president calling me and letting me know that they all thought it was a good fight. So there you go. How cool is that? That's fucking neat. Bob Arum said, quote, Leon went to places our people wouldn't go. He was out drunk or drinking every night down here.

I'm surprised he didn't wind up with a knife in him. Jesus Christ. He was partying the whole time in New Orleans, not training. He said, I'm not sure the kid will ever fight again. Jesus Christ. Really? He was the champ yesterday. No, I'm not sure I'll ever fight again.

He said, I've never. My God, boxing. Ready to flush him. Yeah, putting all this pressure on this guy and then just throw him in the trash done yeah he said i've never dealt with anything like this before i'm not sure what he'll do um he said if you know leon then he's probably relieved because he didn't like this um bob arum said quote later on what we witnessed last night was a great tragedy for boxing and for a human being.

Part of it was my fault for putting a kid in for a heavyweight championship fight when he wasn't mentally ready, when he wasn't able to accept the responsibility of being a heavyweight champion. His camp was total chaos. I don't want to take anything away from Ali, but he was fighting a fighter who had retrogressed since February. For a young fighter, that's a tragedy he's got a dozen people around him who want to put their hooks in him he's a kid who's totally confused he's so screwed over he didn't even have the guts to tell people around him just to leave him alone and just to listen to george you can't have a dozen sharks confusing young fighters okay i would say he says that he never saw a penny of the $3 million purse that he was supposed to make.

Leon says from that fight. He says, well, what can I do? What can you do about it? The money they stole, they stole all my money. That's what he says. Then they said it was Ali, your toughest fight. And Leon said, nah, Ali wasn't the toughest fight I ever had. The toughest fight I had was in the street.

That's probably true, with with the cops um he said i didn't understand what it meant to be heavyweight champ i was just leon and that's all i ever wanted to be just leon he didn't have that ali thing of wanting to be the most famous person and the most famous person in the world his trainer sam solomon said when leon became champ it was like taking a man off the street and making him president. If you've ever seen Dave, you'd know that'd be very confusing for him. So, yeah, Kevin Kline, very confused. So, yeah, it is what it is. But now they've wrote his obituary already.

Right, it's over for him. Wrote him off as a fucking bum. And, oh, it was all our fault and all this shit well it was your fault but that's beside the point so october 21st 78 a month later he's involved in an accident in ohio in his new corvette yeah um october 28th 1978 a week later he's involved in another accident in a corvette this time driving it through a fence at a shopping center he doesn't see fences this guy that's the problem bad at driving he's so fucking this time driving it through a fence at a shopping center. He doesn't see fences, this guy. That's the problem.

He's so bad at driving. He's so fucking bad at driving. It's not even funny. November 21st, less than a month later, 1978, he's arrested for driving without a license after getting in an accident in Detroit with his new Lincoln Continental because he destroyed his Corvette. Now it's a leak. You can't buy a car

without a license. Thank God. I wish he could have done it then. Then if you went in with a bag of cash, they'd sell you one of their salesmen if you want. You want to take him with you? Put him in the trunk, tie him up, put him in a gift mask later, fuck him in the ass with your giant cock. Yeah, it's an extra

$1,500. We'll throw in rust proofing. What do you say? So, December 22,nd 1978 this is a month later his new cadillac that he just bought is reported stolen and found smashed into a tree in ohio i'll bet it wasn't stolen so i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say he smashed his cadillac into a tree in Ohio, looked around and said, shit, nobody saw that. I'm going to say my car was stolen. Easier than getting arrested. Out on a limb. He parked it on a limb. Yeah, he parked it into a limb.

So June 1979 is his next fight. So February, September, and now June. And he's been through three cars since then. So many cars, so many arrests, so much drama. This is in Monte Carlo. He fights Jerry Coetzee, I think is his name. Coetzee, C-O-E-T-Z-E-E. I think it's Coetzee.

Coetzee or Coetzee. I remember this guy, the Boxburg Bomber. What? Yeah. He's a South African guy, this guy. He comes in 21-0 here. So pretty good guy. Solid, yeah.

Spinks is knocked down three times in this fight in the first round. Oh, my. And it's a TKO loss. Ouch. So he goes from going 15 with the fucking champ with fucking Ali with the greatest to getting knocked out by one round by the Borgsburg, a Boxburg bomber. I don't know where Boxburg is. South Africa. I would assume only because I know he's South African. Never heard of it.

Yeah. His manager said, quote, Leon made a couple of stupid mistakes and got tagged. He should not have rushed the guy the way he did. Then when he was in the clinch sphinx raised his head and coatsy clobbered him coatsy didn't uh show me anything i didn't expect um yeah uh leon said i asked the lord to help me in this i was in good shape but i really did not expect this um so yeah there you go he's he's not doing well at this point now he's he's upset um at the same time too there was about 1500 people there was a small arena and because our the opponent was south african there was a lot of south african people there and i don't know if it was nickel beer night but they said everyone there said they'd never seen a drunker crowd

than that crowd and i don't know if you know this but south africa has a pretty shitty history with a lot of stuff and uh in 1979 there was still hardcore apartheid and shit down there they the crowd was just yelling terrible fucking shit at him and racial slurs the whole time and everything else. It was pretty bad stuff here. After the fight, he went into his corner and started crying. I would, too. It's just fucked, man.

It's all fucked out. His career is looking bad. They called me a bum, and then I just behaved like one. Well, yeah, they called him worse than that. Bob Arum, you're talking about. Yeah, in America, they called me a bum. and then bob arum you're talking about yeah yeah america they called me yeah exactly it was over for me and then i came down here and proved it's over for me and this crowd reminded me they reminded me that they were thrilled with that by the way he then locked himself in a dressing room and refused to do any interviews um yeah uh once

he left the dressing room he would not answer any questions, only saying, I got beaten. What else can I say? And then he left. That was that. Yeah, you get knocked out in the first round. You get knocked out in the first round. You don't have to call me the champ to be my friend. To be my friend.

To be my friend. He added that all he remembered of the last part of the fight was seeing an overhand right, and that was it. And then here I am in the back. So, yeah, it was rough. January 10th, 1980. Yeah. A few months later, new Leon. New Leon.

There's an article in the paper. It's it. Leon turned it all around, ready to be the champ again. He's good now. He's turning it on. He said that that's the old leon spinks all that stuff he said now quote i expect a lot from myself 1980 is going to be my year to prove to myself and to other people the new leon spinks is here to stay okay he's here baby um by the way the new leon spinks was two and a half hours late

for this interview that happened he missed a plane that where that he was supposed to catch to get him to do all this shit so yeah it's it's pretty fucking hilarious he said it's in my heart and soul i'm gonna get back there back on top okay he's gonna do it man he's gonna how's he gonna do it he hooked up with don king now so now it's all set new promoter new manager ready to go then he says quote i'm trying to manage myself i can't do worse for myself than other people have done for me the toughest part of professional fighting is what goes on outside the ring true um he went to the farm to train like we talked about the ohio farm and he said he loves the country loves training up there and his uh trainer said he does a really good job when he's up here quote outside of that 48 hour lapse he's worked very

hard apparently he disappeared for 48 hours and got arrested for drunk driving while he was gone oh my god so there you go he's arrested for drunk driving and gone and then he goes back to the training and buckles down and trains more so uh yeah january 12th 1980 two days after this the whole thing that comes out in the paper at resorts international in atlantic city he fights alfredo evangelista 33 4 and 2 so solid opponent not a pushover here he knocks alfredo out in the fifth round though bringing him to 8 2 and 1 is his record wow so fuck that's wild and used to be champ. Last year. Fuck. March 1980 at the Aladdin in Vegas. Eddie the Animal Lopez he fights. This goes all 10 rounds.

Lopez, keep in mind, has a point deducted in the fifth for headbutting. Okay? This goes all 10 rounds. It's a split decision draw again. Split decision draw again. He tried to give you the win. Yep. It's a split decision draw again. Split decision draw again. He tried to give you the win. Yep.

If it wasn't for that, he would have fucking lost there probably. Maybe. It depends on the round, but still. So he's 8-2-2 now. That doesn't sound good. May of 1980, Circle Star Theater. He's at in San Carlos. San Carlos what?

I don't even know where that is. Oklahoma? Probably. Texas? New Mexico? I don't even know where that is. Oklahoma? Probably. Texas. New Mexico? Oh, no. Let's hope not. He fights Kevin Isaac, who's 14-6-2.

Wins this fight by TKO in the eighth round. Leon does. 9-2-2. Next up, Caesars Palace in October of 1980 versus Bernardo Marcato. And he's 26-2-0 coming in. This fight goes 9-12, and he wins by TKO. So 10-2-2 at this point. All right.

So the new Leon is doing great. 1980 has been his year so far. It's been well. That ends pretty quickly once 1981 rolls around. Is that right? January 16th, 1981, everybody. Here it goes. Okay.

The title of this article is, quote, Spinks Tells of Robbery. Yeah. Former heavyweight boxing champion, Detroit champion Leon Spinks, told police he was knocked unconscious by an unseen attacker outside of a Detroit bar and robbed of his jewelry, clothing, including a long fox coat. Yeah, blue fox coat. All of this shit and his teeth.

Somebody mugged him for his clothes and his teeth. His jewelry, his clothes and his teeth somebody mugged him for his clothes and his teeth his jewelry his clothes and his teeth talk about fucking strip motherfucker that's like wow that's anything loose in your mouth and got any fillings i might be able to fucking melt them down like what are you doing he that's not the crazy part jimmy okay this is the crazy part this is his story i walked out was hit in the head it didn't knock me unconscious though because i remember some stuff happening they're stealing my shit but i woke up the next thing i know i woke up in a hotel room five miles from the scene of the attack, completely naked on a bed. That's his story.

I don't believe him. He was robbed for his clothes, jewels, and teeth, and then they took him to a prearranged hotel room, let him sleep it off, but stripped him down. They saw his dick, got scared, and ran away. What are we doing? Oh, my God. That thing gets hard. It could kill us all.

We'd all be in a lot of trouble. So five miles away, too. Drove him five miles, and that's his story. He said he struck on the head about 1130 as he left the Spears bar. The Spears bar. Where is this? In Detroit. He said he left the bar.

He said he didn't regain consciousness for nearly 13 hours holy shit that's a severe head injury yeah if you don't regain consciousness for 13 hours that's called a coma is what that's called that's not a fucking that's a different type of arrangement there that It's certainly a condition. You need medical attention. Fuck me. So all that stuff, I guess the blue fox coat was a full-length coat, too. That thing was probably worth 20 grand, for Christ's sake. So this is what he remembers.

Keep in mind, heavyweight champion of the world. He's being attacked. If you're that guy, how might you fight back? Probably with your fists, right, I would imagine? Throw some blows yeah he says quote i was trying to bite the guy and my teeth came out and he stole them then he says this is the best because this is the third time his teeth have been taken from him yeah by either legal fucking decree or or thievery hotel security hotel cleaning he sums it all up really really succinctly here quote it's so damn weird people taking my teeth

yes leon it is it's so damn weird people taking my teeth man holy shit so yeah that's fucking amazing now the teeth the fucked up part is they ended up finding the teeth under the bed he was found in. Oh? That's where they were. He didn't find them. The police later on, when they searched the room after he was long gone, they found the teeth under there. Okay? They said, but they have to hold them as evidence, and he'll get them back later.

So is that four times they were stolen i guess it's four now can you could i borrow them to eat a sandwich i mean what the fuck man i want to have like a nice i want a crispy bun i can i get a visitation could i just borrow my teeth for a while for shit's sake um but could you dust them and give them back because i mean the problem is um eyewitnesses refute all of this yeah all of this eyewitnesses said there was never any thugs he left with a woman and drove away some lady drugged him in a hotel room and stole all his shit yeah that's what happened they just drugged him and robbed him and he rather than say i got played and also who knows what if he's in a relationship with someone or whatever he says guys just knocked me out and stole my teeth like that's not a fucking realistic thing that may have been a dream he had while he was out that's possible that's not what

happened that is fucking possible and uh also he had a shitload of cash on him, too, which I'm sure people saw when he took it out to pay for drinks at the bar. Anyway, yeah. So June 12th, 1981, he says, quote, I hear what people be saying, which I hope you do, Leon. Holy shit. He'll always acknowledge his fuck ups. That's the funny part. He says, they forget I got experience now. In what?

Booking and receiving? What the fuck are you talking about? He says, they looking for me to play the fool. That's why I... I gotta read this in its entirety here because this is great. Quote, I hear what people be saying. They forget I got experience now. They looking for me to play

the fool that's why when i want to get freaky deaky i gotta go behind closed doors well leon what he's saying is it was a chick and he went to get freaky deaky with her private and she stole all the shit and it's right it's the world's fault that he has to hide that's why so then this happens to him. You guys should be accepting of me fucking in public so that this doesn't happen to me. I mean, it'll be a spectacle. People will want to watch. Trust me.

I mean, just out of morbid curiosity, if nothing else. Wait till you see this thing. I watched Leon Spinks fucking is not the story. It'll draw a crowd, really. You could charge admission for that. We could do it in the park. It could be good for everybody. Maybe we'll do it free. It'll be inspirational for all i think it'll be good i'll draw more than when i fought muhammad i really would with this fucking hog i got

so the leon spinks here um his next fight versus larry goddamn holmes yeah this is a he's a great boxer larry holmes he's also the wbc world heavy a, he's a great boxer. Larry Holmes. He's also the WBC world heavyweight champion. He's late to the fight. Wait, who is Leon? Not Larry's. Now he's a good face. A fucking champion.

Leon's late to the fight, man. He's fucking late to the fight. He's late arriving. And then he forgot his robe. So he had to send somebody back to the hotel to get his fucking robe too so they had to delay it all and howard cosell said quote we were supposed to open the show with a live shot of leon in his dressing room but he's not there can you imagine that he's late for a fight you've

all seen the opening shot of the fight no you've all seen boxing coverage they you they go to the locker room you never see it just empty like we're still waiting for him you know if it's on the air he should be there so uh joe lewis arena this is at in detroit because it's his he's living in detroit now so that's he lives there it's not even like he could get lost on the way uh larry holmes 37 and oh coming in by the way and is that right six foot five and skilled and ali's former train uh sparring partner he's a bad motherfucker uh so this fight goes three rounds when uh leon is tko'd here by larry holmes he's just so much bigger and stronger larry's going 250 260 man he's fucking huge just to lean on leon's like 205 you know what i mean he's so small uh 10 3 and 2 now for leon and uh he slipped in the first round and then was knocked

down in the second and this is the problem this fight everybody says this is a fight that really started the the brain damage ball really rolling faster down the hill. I guess, yeah, he's knocked down in the second and knocked down in the third. He didn't go down in the third. Larry just kept beating on him before the ref fucking called it. And I guess he was just fucking, he's teeing off on him. And Larry Holmes, even Michael Spinks, his brother, said that, quote, I'm sorry, Larry Holmes said, quote, I don't want to have to hurt or kill somebody to prove myself. They should have stopped the fight.

And Michael Spinks, his brother, said, what was the referee waiting for? Leon was hurt. It could only get worse. Like he's not going to fucking come around after he's taken 10 unanswered shots to the face. Not going to just come pull out of that shit. So I should stop this myself. Yeah. He wouldn't meet with reporters afterwards. face not gonna just come pull out of that shit so oh i should stop this myself yeah um he uh wouldn't meet with reporters afterwards he was despondent about the whole thing uh one reporter

said quote he is a beaten a whipped man is dead both physically and mentally just now jesus that seems a little much um so it wasn't very good. The one guy, a writer, said, quote, I tried to count the punches, but it was impossible. There were too many of them. Larry just teed off on this motherfucker, man. Not cool. So that was, what, June 12th. A week later, June 19th, 1981, he's arrested again. So let's see.

Let's see. Let's see. He was behind the wheel of his 1980 Cadillac when officers spotted him in the north and northwest Detroit. He's a few miles from home driving with an expired license plate. As he they pulled him over as he reached into the glove box for the registration. Police spotted a 357 in his fucking glove compartment. 357 Magnum. The sergeant said he said he wasn't even aware the gun was in the car. You're aware everywhere a.357 is.

That thing's a cannon. Wherever you put that, you should never forget that. You know where the fuck that thing is. He said he's still shocked by the arrest. He said that at this particular time, he's trying to get his life back together. Well, I guess so. Gun is not registered to Spinks, they said.

The car he was driving belongs to a corporation that he owns, so he's got that. They said he just stood mute. He's freed on $1,000 bail. He wouldn't say anything. Maximum five-year prison term for this shit. Also arrested for an unpaid parking ticket because, obviously, he had that him too sure so what's he up to right now hanging out um just chilling he said he talks about how his dad used to beat the shit out of his mom and he talks about how the suspended from a he talks about some of this now um then he says this is an article that talks about him, quote, instead, his current companion

is a man known as, quote, Mr. T. He wears one giant gold earring and his hair is cut into the shape of a large arrow. His contribution seems to be wolfing down double roast beef sandwiches and strawberry shakes and charge that to Mr. Spinks's room, please. It's not the Mr. T the mr t he's that's that's how he starts he was like he was like a bouncer and like one like tough man type deal contest and shit like that leon takes him on as one of his entourage one of his bodyguards it's always with him and then from there leon says that he will talk about it but leon says they wanted uh like sphinx to do some like tv shit and he said use this guy instead i don't want to fucking do

it so they'd have mr t did it that's how his fucking career started that's what leon said that's how mr t got into the mainstream was he was leon sphinx's guy how about that that's fucking crazy we the or you never thought you get the origin of mr t today did you probably not i don't think i remember his haircut and an arrow i remember the mohawk obviously but maybe that's what they mean the arrow must have been low when it was low you know maybe the mohawk got tall who the fuck no i mean this is like this is pre on tv too so you might have been doing different shit cut this into an arrow james you can do it why not yeah you're shaving it anyway just do like an arrow like one puffy arrow i'll leave a stubble arrow right in the fucking i'm doing it now you should have a pool of shit

right no it'll look terrible but it'll be hilarious i love it so at this point uh his favorite drink is crown royal loves that uh he and a friend would drink three or four fifths in a day okay that's a lot yeah that's a lot um he said that's what he's been doing he says quote this is he's talking about recently now he's older and wiser but sure two years ago he said i was a young man who wanted to party. Now I'm obviously mature. He says, when I was growing up, I was a poor boy. When I was poor, I couldn't party because I didn't have no money. But when I was a celebrity, I got some money, so I partied. Well, yeah.

A squared plus B squared equals C squared, my friend. He said, I wanted to enjoy life. Being poor, you don't know how it is to have some money. You don't know how it is. And when you have it, you don't know how to is you don't know how it is to have some money you don't know how it is and when you have it you don't know how to act yeah that's i can see that he says he tried drugs but he didn't do drugs while he's been boxing at all never uh he said i'll tell it like it is i did try cocaine i tried it in the service but i didn't like it and i got away from it i smoked marijuana i did pills i tried speed in the service i've seen how it affects other guys it wasn't good for me i never did crack i never used a needle i saw other guys do that and it

ruined their whole life oh i partied with booze and smoked a little pot but i never tried but i never loved it mr t was my bodyguard i got him started in the movies they wanted me for those roles that was a wild that was a crazy fucking man his shit's all over the place we almost had leon spinks as uh on a team no no no no you definitely would because he can't speak you'd see him but then when he gets on there you go what was that he can't advance the plot we can't understand him i'm not kidding you man it's so hard to understand him his words are so slurred he's he sounds worse than evander holyfield does now wow he sounds way worse sound intelligible

oh by far jesus yeah he's because leon's talks at like a half speed because he's like it's because of the the dementia and then mr t talks at double speed so together that's a really weird combination he fights february 24th 1982 is his next fight at the playboy hotel and casino in atlantic city he fights poison ivy brown yeah yeah 26 and 12 coming in this goes all 10 rounds but he wins a unanimous decision does leon. So he's 11-3-2. June 1982, he's sued by a woman in Detroit. He's being sued for half a million dollars. For what? In a case in which his car collided with a taxi on a suburban Detroit street.

Her name is Doris Jones Rosemond. She says that she was injured when the cab she was riding in backed onto a Highland Park street and was struck by Spinks' 1980 Cadillac. Probably well-deserved. Yeah, you probably deserve that money. It's said that Spinks was traveling at a high rate of speed and drunkenly, also in the suit here. The suit also named the cab driver and the taxi company as defendants. Suit also claims that Spinks verbally abused the woman after the accident by accusing her of malingering while she lay on the ground with neck, collarbone, and rib injuries. You faking ass bitch.

Get up, you old bitch. I didn't hit you that fucking hard. You're faking ass up off the goddamn cog. No one's buying this bullshit. You buying this shit? There's ambulance people rushing in. Don't help her. She's faking.

Come on, man. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's fucking amazing. Ain't no way you hurt. You're not hurt. So July 1982, remember when he got robbed by the woman and his teeth were under the bed? He still hasn't claimed his teeth yet. They're still at the police department?

Yeah. Quote, Detroit police who've been waiting for months for former heavyweight boxing champion Leon Spinks to claim his teeth now say they have his diamond watch as well. teeth now say they have his diamond watch as well the watch with the boxer's name on the back was found among other jewelry confiscated in a drug raid on july 16th so that's where it went shit two years ago he told the police he was jumped and knocked unconscious and awoke naked in a motel room where he discovered his money and a 45 000 fur coat jewelry false teeth had been stolen um so they claimed the teeth and there you go so he's never claimed they have his watch in his teeth october 14th or i'm sorry 1982 he appears on letterman david letterman he and michael both together together yeah they bring them out um

together leon's the main focus because he's the older guy and he's got more of the story and uh it's really weird because the studio they're claps and claps because leon's a real personable guy and people want to hear from him there's claps and claps after that you've never heard a more silent interview you could hear fucking condensers going off in the background that's how silent it is because d asked a question and Leon answers it very slowly and very, very hard to understand. So you can hear people leaning in in their chairs trying to hear him. And you can see Dave like, am I getting everything out of him? And Leon goes on to say in this interview, I think this is what he said anyway.

I listened to it, but I mean, Christ, I could have misunderstood it at this point. He said that being champion is a mixed blessing, and he couldn't just kind of go hide out like he wanted to when he was champion. He said everybody would find you. That's just the way it was. So it's a really strange appearance by both of them. It's really strange. So it's a really strange appearance by both of them. It's really strange.

October 14th, 1982, he loses a lawsuit for money that he's trying to sue for. The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals rejects his appeal by his manager. Anyway, they're trying to get $25,000 out of Bob Arum, and it's not working. So he's got Ugots instead. Now, October 31st, 82, he's got a fight. He fights Jesse Burnett, who's 25, 14, and 2. Damn. Right? This is for the vacant NBAF cruiserweight title.

He's dropped down to cruiserweight. Yeah. Now, dropped out of the heavyweight division. This goes all 12 rounds. Unanimous decision for Leon. So he wins. He's sort of a champion again. Kind of.

It's like an off-brand fucking cruiserweight title. So it's, you know, if you trained a lot, you'd have a shot at it. Put it that way. It's not the Kirkland belt. Yeah, it's not. Exactly. It is. It's the fucking Kroger brand belt.

That's what's going on so 12 3 and 2 for him at this point january 6 83 so this is a couple months later um he's in the car with his brother michael when his brother michael gets pulled over but doesn't pull over he takes police on a 25 block high speed car chase chase no um not good and they find a pistol in the car that is turns out that it is stolen in canada eight years ago so he's got a stolen gun stolen in toronto in 1975 so they contact the uh canadian authorities michael spinks said the weapon was given to him as a keepsake during his visit to Montreal when he went won the gold medal. So that's that. Somebody gave you a stolen gun. Yeah. They gave him a fucking stolen gun. Another one of the

brothers in the car. They weren't arrested. Only Michael was arrested. Yes, Spinks asked the reporters, quote, treat me as fair as possible. He said he has fired the gun before. It's a.45. He fired it on New Year's Day in an open field. He said he was, quote, celebrating making it to the New Year, then forgot he had the weapon in his car. He said, I don't carry guns, no weapons at all. I take it back. Sir, you've been carrying that for a year. You always carry a gun.

That's your gun that you carry around, yeah. Also, Leon is avoiding service here. There's now a $1 million lawsuit concerning the auto accident. It's now a million-dollar lawsuit against him. Yeah, double. And Process Server has been trying since June to serve Spinks and has been unsuccessful. Eight unsuccessful attempts.

They're unable to locate Spinks, even though he's visited the gym, his home, everywhere else. The lawyer said Spinks does a good job of bobbing and weaving outside of the ring. Not in the ring or he'd have a better record, but... Yeah. Oh. Let's see here. The lawyer says,

We're asking for $1 million in damages for personal injuries, loss of work, pain, and suffering. What I'd like to see is Leon off the road. He doesn't even have a valid license, and he's still driving around. So, let's let Leon sum this up. What do you say we give them it in their own words? I'd like to hear what the fuck Leon has to say about this. In their own words, quote,

It might have looked to people like I was having a good time, but deep down I wasn't, because I wasn't who I wanted to be. I never had anything when I was young. We were poor. Now I had so much. I tried to enjoy it. Having money like that makes you feel like you can do anything you want but you can't no shit you can't but you can't so he is fucking being

stalked by process servers knocks on the door are scary for him stalked by process servers got legal things hanging over his head his career is in fucking shambles it's a disaster he needs something he's just he's he needs a a spark a catalyst something here and then finally one day he goes out the door and there's someone on the steps and he goes oh no it's the process server but it's not the process server because process servers don't bring over big trays of fucking baked ziti instead it's vinnie pazienza's ma she's got some words for him and she says how is it you come to arrive here what's wrong leon leon what's wrong with you oh my god leon

you had nothing. You came from everything. You're so nice to your mother, and I love that you're nice to your mother and that old lady, and you help her. I heard you helped a crippled kid the other day. That's very, very nice. That's wonderful. But you're ruining yourself. Drugs, alcohol, have some Z.

Eat something. What is wrong with you? My God, look at this. Oh, my God. Have you cleaned under your couch lately, Leon? I'm looking under here. I found this. There's Cheerios. I think that Leon? I'm looking under here. I found this. There's Cheerios.

I think that's like a beer nut or something. I don't know what that is under there. I see a liquor bottle. You're going to drop another weight class. Eat something. Oh, my God. Oh, I'm in the bedroom. There's a naked woman in there.

Her vagina's as wide. It's as wide as a two-lane highway. What did you do to that poor girl? Oh, my God, Leon. Jesus, this is unbelievable. You could beat up muhammad ali but you can't have problems with this oh my god leon please sit down and eat something i'm going crazy i can't take it anymore poof and she explodes into a cloud of baked ziti and stress

support and support and love and leon is very confused by this he does he's like wow i love my mom's the same my mom would have just said you know she's jesus will figure it out she just she's taking this over so march 1983 harrah's uh hotel casino atlantic city he fights carlos Hotel Casino Atlantic City. He fights Carlos Sugar De Leon, who's 33-3-0 coming in. And this is going to be a loss for Leon in the sixth round, 12-4-2. December 1984, his Nova, his former wife and owner of one of the sets of his teeth, former wife, current teeth owner. She apparently is robbed. She's pregnant at this point and robbed. Two masked men robbed her of a $4,000 mink coat on Christmas morning.

Jesus Christ. Good fuck day to do that. That's fucked up. She said, I had just left my car and was walking toward my sister's house when these two men, both wearing ski masks, came up and demanded my coat. I had been having birth contractions. She's fucking pregnant. They robbed a pregnant woman of her coat on Christmas Day. About to start labor pregnant.

I think that's the scummiest one of this outside of like child molestation, obviously, because that's going to be a special category all to itself. Obviously, because that's going to be a special category all to itself. I think robbing a pregnant woman of her coat on Christmas morning when it's fucking cold, by the way. Right. When you need it. Might be the scummiest thing I've ever heard in my fucking life before. Jesus Christ. Derp pants. She said, that's why I was going to my sister's place.

One of them said, give up that coat. I just unzipped the zipper and they grabbed it off my shoulders and ran off. I didn't want to risk my baby. The baby's due February 3rd, but I've been having premature birth pains and have been taking medication for them. Then they, you know, whatever. Then they go on to give her address

in the article. The doctor? Spinks of 50. No, that used to be, anybody that was quoted in the paper, they would, to show you're a real person, they would show your address. Otherwise, so you'd know the reporter didn't make you up.

That way, the average person could look you up in the phone book and go, okay, there you go. There you go. So, yeah, now, I love that. Before, that would be that. Now, that's considered doxing. That's fucking, that's funny. That was responsible journalism before. Yeah, I mean, it's a weird thing.

Obviously, it's in a different spirit, but you know what I'm saying? So, uh, they said, yeah, her, they gave her address. They gave her sister's address.

Yeah. It's fucking crazy. She said, family too. Oh yeah. I get where she was. Yeah. Uh,

the one man was six feet tall. The other was shorter. She said, quote, they were both black men, one lighter and one darker. I could see that through the eye holes in the ski masks. Uh, so her sister called the police. She said, quote, they were both black men, one lighter and one darker. I could see that through the eye holes in the ski masks. So her sister called the police.

She said, I couldn't run away from them in my condition, but I didn't want to go to the hospital because the contractions weren't that close. So I came back to the house and stayed in bed, and eventually the pains went away. So, yeah, apparently this was a gift from Leon in 1980. I think it was him. I think it was. How many teeth did the, how many teeth did the, that's why they had a ski mask on, so they couldn't see his teeth. How many teeth did your assailant have? So, I'll tell you what, then he's going to offer to trade the coat for his teeth.

That's how it's going to work. We're going to make a trade. February 1985, he's making a comeback, he said. He's returning to boxing because he's different now. It's all good now. A couple of years have gone by. That was a couple of years ago. That was whatever.

So he hasn't boxed in a while. He's making a comeback. He's going to fight. He had to postpone a fight with Donovan razor ruddick uh because he had an infected tooth which is crazy um he said that's my last one i've had enough time to take a vacation enough time to get my head together and think about what i really want to do where i wanted to go and uh to my where i wanted my life to go i wanted to correct all the mistakes i made coming to where i am right now i turned to god there's another rule bro he's breaking all the mistakes I made coming to where I am right now. I turned to God.

There's another rule, bro. He's breaking all the rules. He's hanging out at home at White Castle. He's fucking, it's a mess. He helped me a lot. I can't do nothing else now but improve. Try not to let it happen again. I'm going to try to come out like a brand new person now.

Like he washed me over with bleach. All the dirt gone. Bleach? With bleach. God, Jesus. That's going to hurt. He's going to burn me. I really love that summary. All the dirt gone.

All the dirt. Gone. All the dirt gone. So, yeah. Does that mean we change it to instead of... All the dirt gone. That's what I mean. I got to write that down and decide later. All the dirt gone. That's what I mean. I got to write that down and decide later.

All the dirt gone. That's a great title, too, man. He said one thing that a friend of his says here, his lawyer said, quote, one thing about Leon, all the things he's done, none of these things hurt anybody but himself. He wasn't out robbing banks and holding up liquor stores. He wasted a lot of his own money and did things to his own physical condition. He's a different person now than he was a year and a half, two years ago. He's no longer the wild Leon that you saw in bars and discos chasing everything that moved. It's good now, is what that says.

All the dirt gone. Very good. All the dirt gone. All the dirt gone. So, Kobo Arena, another big wrestling place back in the day. February 21st, 1985, he is fighting Lupe Macho Guerrera. Hell yeah. So, 21-14-1 coming in.

This is a TKO win for Leon. Knocks him down a whole bunch of times. 13-4-2. So, he's doing well. They're talking about, now it's all sorts of fluff pieces on leon um he's got they're saying he's even got a driver's license now all right he's doing great he said i'm finally i finally got good people behind me and i've got god on my side everything i do now is for him capital h m that that is here not like he's not pointing to like his son or anything um my goal now is to try to make it back so i can correct all the mistakes i

made he said uh the problem is you get out there in the fast lane and you forget god he said i i started living a wild life women drugs all that stuff i did a lot of things wrong it's like i had no responsibility at all but see what happened god put me on my back he made me think about him again he got jesus that's a that is that his salute really punches you're doing it sounds like a like an ex that's like gonna fuck your life up because you're happy you know what i mean it's like bates's wife on downton abbey did that shit to him like that's fucked up man putting him up for murder so he said um wow um that's that's pretty that's a dick move he made me think about him again he got me there when i was on top and

the only way to get back was to follow his word and i know i'm here for a reason and that reason is to serve god to help kids and old people, and to spread his word. Wow, that is the biggest I'm good now I've ever heard in my life. Jesus is into edging. Yeah, big time. Docking, edging, soaking. He's into a little of all of it. He's a little column A, a little column B.

Got to get you right to the edge, though, James, and then stop. Yeah, obviously. Jesus, what are we talking about here we know what he's about he said i can show people where i was and that i've come back because god has blessed me i want to lead a different life you know i've got three boys and i want to make a life for them i want my kids to be proud of me and he says i was trying to find myself i was by myself a lot i started going to church and i realized that I had more to do for him. He was given, but I was given it back.

But I wasn't given it back. After everything I went through, he could have left me with nothing, but I still got my health. Not quite. My talent. That's on the wane. My commentary. Two teeth.

I've got to serve him because I've got so many things to be thankful for. Yeah, he said he's got heart and he's going to stick with it. This is when his brother Michael defeats Larry Holmes in an upset and becomes one of the other champions that ends up unifying it with Mike Tyson there in that fight there. So that's how that works. In April of 85, he's in Honolulu, and he fights Rick King Kong Keller, who is 15-9-1, and Leon beats him in three rounds with a TKO.

Next up, the Cobo Arena in Detroit. He fights Tom Roughouse Fisher. These guys all sound like they're from Rocky. You know what I mean? Like Spider Rico's a bum. That's what this sounds like to me. 35-9. This guy is unanimous decision win for Leon.

The Sonoma County Fairgrounds in June of 85. He beats Tommy... This guy's name is Tommy Thomas. No. He beats Tommy Thomas. He beats Thomas Thomas. He learned how to fight because everyone made fun of him when he was a kid because his parents only could think of one fucking name. That's what it was.

Your mom's so stupid. And then he knew that's when he had to throw down. Yeah. He beats him. Unanimous decision. Then he's at the Felt Forum in New York. MSG's auxiliary place there. Fighting Kip Cain, who's 15-1-1.

Leon beats him by TKO in eight rounds. He's now 17-4-2. So, yeah, he got a few wins. He also sometime around here ends up in Japan in New Japan Pro Wrestling fighting Antonio Inoki, who was the owner of New Japan Pro Wrestling at the time this is what a lot of wrestlers did this anybody or a lot of boxers would do this Inoki

would hire you to come over there and he beat you in Japan and make them look even better and that's how it works so he had the big fight with Ali in the 70s that was a famous thing it was a pay-per-view so he loses by submission to Inoki uh in 86 he fights uh this is for the wba cruiserweight title he's got a real title fight again against

uh uh dwight muhammad kawi who he turned or kawaii he turned into um fuck what the fuck did he turn into his name change his name god damn it oh it's driving me nuts now all right i'll get i'll find it the camden buzzsaw uh he wins or i'm sorry uh leon loses this fight tko'd in the sixth round so not up to that snuff here 17 5 and 2 and uh he is there's an article about happy the clown what some guy named happy theown who says he was late to the Petaluma Circus that he was a part of because he had to go meet Leon Spinks who was doing some fucking meet and greet in the area. That's how important it is. They weren't looking for teeth in a trash can behind a burger joint? That's why I had to bring that up because there was teeth and a clown and I'm'm like this is too close to lenny dykstra i have to bring this up if there's a jersey mike's anywhere in this fucking there's a dumpster if there's a jersey mike's if there's

anything it's important so uh august 86 detroit port authority what like right in front of the buses i guess right in the bus lane? Yeah. There's going to be a round, then we're going to let five buses take off, then we're going to have round two. Let some more buses go. Versus Rocky Sierkowski. Oh, boy, 17-5 he is. Leon wins by TKO.

He's 17-6-2. January of 87, Exhibition Center in Coconut Grove. He loses to Jose El Nino Ribalta. There's so many of them. He's a whole storm, this guy. Loses in the first round. He's knocked down three times in the first round, Leon. Wow.

17-7-2. Unbelievable how few wins he has, and his name is such a big deal. It's such a big, because he beat fucking muhammad ali uh he is in japan on the 20 in april of 87 fighting jeff the blonde bomber jordan who's 17 and 6 this is a split decision and he wins it so uh this is for the wbc continental america's heavyweight title so garbage title that is then he promptly loses it the next month to angelo musoni who's 18 and oh coming in leon is knocked out the seventh round making him 18 8 and 2 next up he's at some fairgrounds in eugene washington the lane county fairgrounds in eugene oregon i'm sorry. He fights Jim Asherd.

It looks like asshard if you look at it real quick. It's asshard is how it's spelled. Six and five coming in. This guy's six, five, and two coming in, and he fights at the Eugene Fairgrounds. This fight goes all ten rounds, and it's a draw. God damn it. 18-8-3. Next, he's at a place called Swingos in Cleveland, which sounds like a strip club.

Fuck yeah. Now he's gone from arenas, casinos, fairgrounds, strip clubs. That's the drop. Swinger clubs. It sounds like there's fucking happening. Swingos, yeah. This goes all 10 rounds versus Terry Mims. By the way, Terry Mims is 13 and 15 coming into this fight.

Goes all 10 rounds and Leon loses the decision. 18 and nine. Next up, he fights Ladislau Mnangos. Wow. Mnangos. He. Mignangos. He's 19 and 6 coming in. Goes all 10. Leon loses a split decision.

He's now 18, 10, and 3. Next up, he fights Randall Tex Cobb. Really? Who you might know from the fucking Raising Arizona, the guy on the motorcycle. There you go. Ace Ventura. Many other movies. Yeah.

Many other movies. He's the best, though. That was just iconic, that Raising Arizona character. There you go. Ace Ventura. And many other movies. Yeah. Many other movies. He's the best, though. That was just iconic, that Raising Arizona character. I love him in Ace Ventura. He's great. He's great in everything. He makes a cameo in Liar Liar at the very beginning. He's terrific.

It's so good. He's so good. He's 32-7-1 coming in. This fight goes all the way, 10 rounds, and Tex Cobb wins a decision and Leon loses. 18-11-3 for Leon. I want to be that guy's friend. I want him to know us. Tex Cobb? Yeah, he's cool as fuck.

Is he alive? He is. Oh, he is. Cool. Yeah, he's cool as shit. We don't want to do an episode about him. We could do a bonus about how cool he is. Yeah, I want to hang out with him.

He's pretty cool. I guarantee he's rad. I'll bet you he is what Rod would have turned into. Just a cool- Maybe. Yeah. With great stories. Brought on a big beard. Yeah. Yeah. I'll bet you he is what Rod would have turned into. Just a cool. Maybe. Yeah. With great stories. Brought a big beard.

Yeah. I'll bet he's got amazing stories. So, I mean, he is now 18, 11, and 3. This is pathetic at this point. It's not looking good. He's got brain damage. He's a fucking mess. He's broke.

He's got lawsuits. You almost feel fucking bad for this guy because he hasn't hurt anybody else. I mean, you almost feel bad for him, Jimmy. But not nearly as bad as I feel for Leon Spinks, chief executive officer at Silverdale School in Sheffield, UK. Oh, my. Leon Spinks, owner at STA. I don't know what that is, but it's in Oxford. So apparently Leon Spinks is a popular name for english people yeah uh leon spinks dirt hall it just says i don't

know what that means they haul dirt in uh houston texas there and finally leon spinks owner at fresh start energies in california this is like a fucking Silicon Valley startup about energy. It's definitely not our guy. So there you go. April 24th, 1988, arrested for DUI. God. DWI. Damn it.

Yep, he's arrested in Auburn Hills, Michigan. Let's see, driving with a suspended license, having an open intoxicant in the car, and not wearing a seatbelt. Wow. So he just pleased to impaired driving, and he ends up getting probation, because the judge said he was, quote, quite impressed with Spinks' probation report. Not bad.

Ability to drive under the influence. Absolutely. Not bad. You didn't even knock a fence down. Pretty good. Didn't kill anybody. May of 88, he fights again oh my god tony morrison not tommy morrison uh 15 6 and 1 he gets knocked out in the first round here tko first round 18 12 and 3 it's not good 89 he's trying to connect with his sons.

Okay. Leon III starts fighting. He's 2-0. Really? There's articles about him that he's got good pop in his punches and he could be following in his dad's footsteps and all this shit. He apparently, last time he tried to, he invited three of his sons to spend time with him in Detroit, and it didn't end well at all. I guess his son, Leon III, asked him for money, and he said no. And so his son asked for money from Leon's girlfriend at the time. Do you have any money?

And then Leon got physical with his son, and it all went fucking haywire from there. So at least least didn't hang him from a nail and beat him with a cord but you know still i like that leon three asked for money that is that's so ballsy how about you give me money pops fuck it you haven't been around why not you want to be my dad got 20 bucks that's it fucking fill So, uh, they said he lives in like a kind of a crappy house now that needs some screens are torn. It's needs some painting. He's got a shitty old car in the driveway.

No, um, he's unemployed. Uh, he drops by a gym to train fighters and stuff like that. His, his girlfriend, Betty,

who's his future wife works at a hospital. Um, he, he's got a bar here that wants him to hire him as a part-time bartender you know greeter type guy um but holy shit instead he takes a job at joe vons which is a bar in birmingham michigan and uh he said for the first time in my life i'm happy? It's the opposite. I got a beautiful wife because he's just about to get married.

My manager cares about me. I talk to him, and I don't feel like I'm talking to the wall. Michael and me might get into the restaurant business someday. Michael's got his millions now. I made mine, and he made his the way I look at it. I probably trusted too many people along the way, but that's over with. I'm happy so uh he hangs joe vons by the way he's a greeter bartender and denny mclean and plays piano there remember that denny mclean got a job playing piano in a bar he's hanging it's with

michael spinks at the same time here which is pretty fucking funny. Both criminals are like crazy. July 8th, 1989 article here. Time's hard for ex-champ Leon Spinks. Not good. They're talking about he's in a WWA match, which is a shitty Indiana promotion that I thought went out of business in like 1986. Dick the Bruiser owned it and ran it. And at last that I heard in like 87,

they were running like you know in a nightclub for 100 people and stuff it wasn't going well so apparently it came back a little bit and he uh he's losing to people here they're making him lose is what it is um michigan state boxing commissioner dr stewart kirshenbaum said quote leon needs to understand the party is over the day has come for leon to find a job get up in the morning and go to work like everyone else wow leon says i'm trying to better myself he's only 35 too that's a crazy um he begins work as a greeter at ditka's in downtown Chicago. Mike's restaurant? Yep, Mike's restaurant.

Sources say he's making 50 grand a year doing that. And he signed some autographs. He also completed a year-long restaurant management course in Detroit. So, yeah, he said he's professionally qualified to greet guests, seat them, mix drinks, serve food, and do whatever they need me to do at that particular moment. I'm going to work my way up the Ditka's corporate ladder. Going to fucking do it.

Oh, by the way, Leon Spinks III has a son, Jimmy. Oh, no. Leon IV is born. Four Pete is here. Wow. That is fascinating fucking wow uh three on and four top we got here this is crazy unbelievable uh yeah that's crazy names them after that um july four you see george foreman doing and going i successful i guess it's a quirky weird thing this is generational yeah this is

generational failure this is this is three separate people chose to name their sons leon spinks actually four because the father had to be named too so that's a lot now uh his son july 21st 1990 uh he's at a party um i'm sorry in 88 calvin his son leon the third was shot in the abdomen at a party. In 88, his son Leon III was shot in the abdomen at a party. Oh, my God. It didn't hit any organs, and that's when he started boxing, like six months later. So he was fine and doing well. On July 21, 1990, though, he had a late afternoon workout at the gym, and then he went to a party around midnight and returned home. He went to see his girlfriend.

He stopped by home and then went out to see his girlfriend his brother saw him and uh said that he was on the he said he was on the way to the nightclub and uh his brother said that he had a fight coming up july 30th and he said hey you need to get your rest but his brother told him quote i ain't gonna stay out long and he went out um apparently at closing time everybody left and he got into his car with uh or he got into a car with a woman friend of his who started driving and shots rang out and uh leon was hit and so he was driven to uh to the hospital here and they said quote there was two other cars with friends of leon that were being shot at gunfire was ringing as they were going across the bridge they forced

the car leon was into the side of the road the girl driving she jumped out and ran and the person in the other car went to shooting oh my god a few days after the shooting um they said that actually the police after they put everything together said that's exactly what happened uh what the witnesses said um so calvin is killed that night or young leon calvin leon the third is killed that night shot to death he uh never recovers never three on consciousness three ons dead three ons dead three on was killed um leon said i loved him i'm glad i got to spend some time with him. It's too bad it got cut short, though. Jesus Christ, I guess so.

They said he just signed a promotional contract with Cedric Kushner Promotions, which is a big boxing firm in New York. He was on his way. They said they had guaranteed him a certain number of fights, and as he got better, the purses were going to become phenomenal. So, quickly, 91 uh he beats uh lupe macho guerra again that's not a big challenge 19 2 and 3 or 19 12 and 3 92 he's arrested again fucking again charged with driving under the

influence after being involved in a three-car collision. Fuck. He was eastbound. Oh, God, Jesus. He's in such dire straits, but Mr. T should take care of him. Mr. T's doing, well, at this point, Mr. T needs help, too. It's 92. There's a time in the 80s where Mr. T should have really taken care of him.

So, apparently, he rear-ended a pickup truck in front of him there obviously you can't rear-end a car behind you so uh in that vehicle hit a that truck that he rear-ended hit a vehicle that was making a left turn in front of it this was a chain reaction he uh was cut on the forehead leon was and the police said he had bloodshot eyes and a strong odor of alcohol was detected on his breath he's taken to uh the medical center there. He underwent blood and urine tests, and there you go. He's drunk. So there's that. February 92, he fights Andre Crowder, who's 6'17 and 2".

He beats him in a split decision that goes all 10 rounds, Leon does. Finally gets his 20th win. Next up, he's at the Clarion hotel ballroom in st louis in 92 fighting a guy with a under 500 record he beats him in a unanimous decision in 10 rounds yeah may 30th 92 he's in court he gets you sir may fuck off two years probation for drunk driving yeah yeah so there's that more boxing june of 92 he uh he uh wins a split decision against ken bentley then win knocks a guy named jack jackson out in in uh july of 92 then he gets a guy named kevin p porter and who's 13 8 and 2 and he loses a unanimous decision to this guy. Leon does. So next up, he finds a guy named Kevin Poindexter

who's 2-11-1. He's like, I'm going to whoop this nerd's ass. He knocks him out in the first round. This fight brought to you by bullying. By bullying. Finally. Next up, though, he fights James

Wilder who's 24 and one 234 and one this fight goes all 10 rounds and leon loses a fucking unanimous decision to a guy who has won two out of 37 fights i don't know what to say about that. 94 now, so skip some time. A year and a half goes by. He fights Eddie Curry, the Knicks center from back in the day, I guess. He's 11, 18, and 2. He's just too tall. He can't quite put it all together.

He wins this by disqualification. It was scheduled as an eight-rounder, but I'm sorry, Curry thought it was an eight-rounder, so after the eighth round he left and was disqualified because he didn't come out for the ninth round oh that's amazing next up how do you how do you do eight rounds and then be like oh they're not giving anybody i'm just gonna leave then i'm just gonna leave i'll get the decision in the dressing room that's the weirdest thing i've ever heard he fights a guy named shane kid thunder sutcliffe maybe it's rick's kid i don't know yeah he's 10 and 2 uh loses a unanimous

decision to king kid thunder here next up the convention center he fights uh in washington he fights johnny bones is his nickname john carlo uh he lose this is his first. John Carlo. He lose. This is his first fight, by the way. John Carlo. The promoter lied to they lie. He fabricated a record. So the commission would let this fight happen. And then this fucking guy knocks Leon out in the first round. Shit.

First round, Jimmy. Wow. Twenty five, sixteen and three. Leon is ninety five. He this. jimmy wow 25 16 and 3 leonez 95 uh he he this the fight is at a place called a little bit of texas in st louis uh he fights ray kipling who's one two and one and beats him all barbecue joint it really sounds like a strip mall barbecue joint where like the the it's barely they have to lower the ring because otherwise it would hit the ceiling. The guy's head would like get knocked in the ceiling fans and wood rafters. Jesus.

Next fight is also at the little bit of Texas. And in December 95, he fights Fred Halp, who's 13 and3 and loses a unanimous decision in eight rounds. That doesn't sound like much, right? I mean, loses a unanimous decision in eight rounds. So what, right? Problem is, this guy hasn't boxed in 17 years. Wow. 17 years.

He took 17 years off, came back, and beat Leon Spinks. I'm going to give it one more go 17 leon's 26 17 and 3 and he finally retires good thank god it's done he retires some point in here he uh he works for fma which is a wrestling place in japan there uh where he wins a title and uh he uh also was is headlining autograph tours yeah he is the uh the uh brass knuckles champion over there as well so cory spinks is his son he held the undisputed welterweight title which is a big fucking deal and was the ibf junior middleweight champion twice his son cory leon says i didn't push cory i wanted him to decide if he wanted to go into boxing and he did can't blame it on me uh he said when i had a kid i was a kid i wasn't around i was too busy

trying to figure out where i was going and uh then he said they said is cory helping you out financially and he said he's not helping me at all, but it's all right. I don't ask for nothing. So, yeah, he's apparently living in Columbus in 2005, and he is working at the YMCA for $5.15 an hour, which is minimum wage back then because I worked for it back then. So he also sometimes on weekends unloads trucks at mcdonald's oh my god and uh he also volunteers to help the homeless which he was for a while

before he met betty he was spent some time in an east st louis homeless shelter as well barely not right now uh it's not good man he said sometimes it's good to get away from the city and get a little clean air i love to teach kids how to box. There's nothing to do but get into trouble. Otherwise, he he says he doesn't. You know, it's fucking crazy. He says, quote, It ain't what you do. It's how you do it.

As he's as he's mopping. He says, you just do the best you can. He said, well, I'm still breathing, still making money. I'm happy about life. Still trying. I ain't giving up on life. He's just got this, I guess they said that in order to get this job, he needed to pass a CPR class, and they were very happy that he did it.

It's interesting, too, because the kids at the Y, the guy who runs it, says, quote, when they found out he won the championship of the world by beating Muhammad Ali, they flipped out. They've heard of him. They're like, you beat Muhammad Ali? Holy shit. He told them, don't do drugs. And everyone he applauded.

Well, that's good. So, yeah, he mops floors. And then panders. And panders. He takes pictures. Says, give it up for the troops. He says, where are my weed smokers at? Where are my weed smokers at kids come up to me when they see me cleaning and i tell them my opinion the kids are thrilled to meet me and

their parents are thrilled too uh he says he also likes his second job at mcdonald's he says quote i get 50 off on big max and everything and everything and everything um yeah 50 off why are they charging their employees anything at all so he ends up divorcing betty that's over with yeah he ends up marrying a woman named brenda brenda's very nice um yeah uh uh brenda said i felt leon had more potential than just to be put up in some creepy place to sit until he had some engagement to go to that someone would set somebody something up for him. A couple summers ago, he was set up to stay in the back room of a stinky old gym. I went to stay with him, but I couldn't stand it. We slept on this dirty old floor and used a creepy bathroom with no light.

He had stayed there for over a month already by the time I got there. So, yeah, it wasn't going well she says about her quote she's my friend and my lover i call her woman um he has good days and bad days brenda says oh bad days on bad days he's quiet and hard to understand because of the missing teeth and complications from the early onset dementia that he's suffering from. He's having a lot of problems. A lot of problems. He says, they said, do you think your dementia is the result of getting hit in the head? He said, maybe. I got hit a lot.

I'm glad I lived through it. I don't know. I'm not a doctor. I just know that it hurts a lot. Do you hear all those decision fights? That's a lot, man. So, yeah, he's at the bar as well. They said he hangs out at the bar on Friday night.

He has a few 32-ounce $2 beers. You know, a few people ask him for his autograph, that sort of thing. He said somebody stole the hat off his his head while back at the bar. He said, snatched it off my head. It said heavyweight champion of the world. Leon Spinks. It had like diamonds on it,

but it wasn't real. The guy thought it was diamonds. So he snatched it off my head and ran out the back door. So then a newspaper ran an article about it and the guy felt guilty and gave it back. He's like, I'm a piece of shit. Leon said, quote, he gave it back to me like i'm a piece of shit leon said quote he gave it back to me he said

he was sorry he took it and gave me 20 and handed me a drink he gave him restitution and everything man wow um he said um that uh he didn't make nearly as much money as everybody thinks he does he said that's bullshit that's what people think I was stupid and I gave the lawyer's power of attorney. That's why I never saw a penny of the 3.75 million I should have made for the Ali fight. Wow. He said, if you want to be my friend, be my friend. If not, leave me alone.

2011, he marries Brenda. Good for him. 2012, he is diagnosed officially with shrinkage of his brain. Shrinkage. Shrinkage. Shrinkage, which doctors say is likely caused by accumulated punches he took during his career. Shrinkage. That doesn't sound good in any, whether it's a brain or a, whether it's a, one part of him isn't shrinking though. That's the thing.

His brain has shrinkage, but his cock, he's like, that's the one part I can afford shrinkage, doc. I can go in a cold pool and still be a shower. you don't understand still swing it like a fucking pendulum you can only fill one head at a time with enough blood to keep it alive that's it it can't i can't accommodate its own girth i love that my favorite part in 2011 he and brend Brenda moved to just outside Las Vegas. Yeah. So I don't know why, but they do that. Dry air. Dry air.

2014, he's hospitalized twice in Las Vegas due to surgery for abdominal problems. One of them was from a chicken wing bone. What? Yes. He swallowed the bone? Absolutely. Absolutely. yes he swallowed the bone absolutely uh he says that his attorney says that sphinx is known to his friends as the quote chicken wing king it's another one i gotta write down chicken wing king it's just so many fucking titles wing king he accidentally swallowed a bone. It got stuck in his intestine and punctured it.

Oh, my God. Yes. So he's had two surgical procedures and had to have a third scheduled for this for a fucking chicken bone. It's crazy. He says he's doing better now, though. He said it's going to be a long road ahead, but he's strong and he's starting to recover. His good friend, Tony orlando the singer yeah should give him some money i think tony fork it over he said please pray for my friend leon spinks

he's facing the greatest fight of his life now there's a big discrepancy in 2014 over well whether his ex-wife controls his medical decisions what okay his ex-wife says that he gave her full control over his medical decisions after they divorced in 2004. And if his condition deteriorates, she should be the one to call the shots, not his current wife. Uh-huh. No. That's not how it works. Wow. Betty, who's his ex-wife, was married to him for 16 years, says Leon hammered out an agreement in their divorce, stating that she had been empowered to make decisions on his behalf and should he become unable to do so himself.

I would assume that'd be unless you get remarried. Right. Right. That's how it works. That's crazy. Until there's somebody else. She said, I have power of attorney and guardianship. Leon's care should be my decision.

And yeah, he's married in 2011. But Betty says when it comes to power of attorney, that has to be transferred in a certain way. You can't just, you know, doesn't just do that. She says she's legally entitled. Nevada law says Betty's power of attorney can be revoked if Leon entered a new agreement with his new wife. So all he has to do is that just marrying someone doesn't automatically vest that person with power of attorney can be revoked if leon entered a new agreement with his new wife so all he has to do is that um just marrying someone doesn't automatically vest that person with power of attorney you have to enter into an official agreement with that um so yeah betty says though my main concern is that

lee is okay if i could talk to him i'd ask how are you do you want to come back home to your family not with you i'm remarried what the fuck are you talking about um yeah uh he's a lawyer says he's healing he's on the road to recovery i went to see him the other night and when i walked in he flashed a huge smile he's in great spirits uh they said he's up and walking actually too august 2017 leon and michael actually to August 2017 Leon and Michael are jointly inducted into the Boxing Hall of Fame together together yeah the only brother couple brother and they were they were the only brother champions to both to be heavyweight champions until the Klitschko's did it awesome so they were the only ones to do that 2019 Leon is diagnosed with advanced prostate cancer. Oh no, that's rough.

Uh, December he's hospitalized for it. Um, and, uh, his wife says, dear friends, I know it's been a while. However, uh, you know how I believe in the power of prayer. It's been a tough year for us. Leon has endured a lot of medical problems. I'm reaching out to ask you to kindly pray for my beautiful husband, Leon. Uh, so he, that he may overcome the obstacles that have crossed his path. He's in deep trouble here. They said that he was on a feeding tube and everything else. Yeah, not good. His wife says

he's a champion. He's going to keep fighting. He underwent surgery and then he underwent three rounds of chemotherapy and they found out, though, the cancer spread to his bones at that point. They said that he had about two weeks to live in late 2019, but he lasts more than two weeks. He hangs in there. He's taking medicine called Zytigaytiga medication for people who have prostate cancer and have already gone undergone chemo the first bottle of 120 pills was a free sample but after that the doctor told her every 120 pills is eight grand it is eight fucking grand yeah and it's gotten more expensive yeah that's back that's a couple years ago yeah um uh she said i think you can get it cheaper i don't know i haven't gotten that far yet her son his stepson moves into the house to

help take care of him and all this sort of shit um he spent a uh he spent a month with his sons uh cory came down and hang out with him all this type of shit he's got a black lab that he hangs out with that's uh it was trained by america's got a black lab that he hangs out with. It was trained by America's vet dogs. He qualifies for a service dog because he was honorably discharged from the Marine Corps. So they said that the dog got very depressed when he was away in the hospital and stuff like that. He's often in a wheelchair now. He has a live-in nurse that takes care of him as well,

or is there every day, all day. She said at one point, his mood darkened during this interview, the reporter said, and Brenda, his wife, said, oh no, he's turned on me. So she reached into a bag and handed him a joint. I love it.

She said at one point, she used to throw out marijuana that he used to get from fans but about a year ago she started allowing him to smoke weed it's legal in nevada and the doctor said it's good for him if it makes him feel better who gives a shit it makes him eat and stuff with the chemo she said he usually smokes about a joint a day she said i'm so against it and now i'm going to dispensaries to buy it it's the only way i can get him to cooperate she's in there going let me get some of that sour diesel yeah it'll make leon happy after a few puffs leon allows the nurse to begin the exam he's like all right i'm cool now um so he's they said after that he does everything uh he seems to be doing a little bit better it's he's supposed to

be dead months and months ago. He's still going on. But he suffered from, in the last few months, aspiration pneumonia, a staph infection, sepsis, inflammation of the colon, showed early signs of renal failure. Bad shit, man. He had to have a feeding tube inserted into his abdomen because he stopped eating. They're trying to get him him to sign a he was put on a ventilator at one point they were trying to get her hair to sign a do not resuscitate and she didn't want to do it so she didn't do it um one point she said that um you know she just said he they go to the the uh church where randall cunningham is the pastor. Oh, boy. Quarterback Randall Cunningham.

And, yeah, does all of that. She said, I'm just so happy he's here, and we're going to keep working at making things better. We're not going to give up. We're not throwing in the towel. Well, February 5th, 2021, he dies in a hospital in Henderson, Nevada, at the age of 67.

Oh, that's so young. So young. And he says, I'll give the age of 67. Oh, that's so young. So young. And he says, I'll give the last quote to Leon here because he's a fucking fun guy, man. He says, quote, they may have taken everything else off of me, but that is the one thing they can't take, that at one time I was king of the world.

Fuck yeah. Can't get enough? There's a ton of Leon Spinks shit out there, man. There's signed gloves. I don't know if they're real or not, but there's tons of signed Leon stuff. And even like he hung out signing autographs for years and years and years, so there's a ton of glut of Leon shit out there. It might even be real.

There's so much of it. Because he needed the cash. He needed the cash. So that, everybody, is Leon Spinks. One hell of a crazy story. Just a big dick, no tooth fucking crazy guy. And my dad's going to die the same way he died. That's fucking crazy.

That's tough, man. It's the exact same thing that he's got. Oh, because it spread to his bones. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Started in a different place and now it's there. No, it started the exact same place. Oh, I thought, okay. Prostate to bone, man. bone man that's what's gonna happen that's fucking brutal man that's awful seeing a glimpse thanks leon thanks leon appreciate your fucking depressing ass so

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