Crime in Sports - #301 - Smuggling, Scamming & Speeding - The Prosperousness of Vic Lee

Episode Date: May 3, 2022

This week, we race into disaster, with an Englishman, who went from managing a car dealership, to running his own champion race team. But racing is an expensive sport to maintain, he found that out, first hand. His solution? Smuggle huge amounts of cocaine, in your car parts, while returning from other countries. Just when you thought he learned his lesson, he is busted, in a sleazy way, a trunk full of coke, in a Holiday Inn parking lot! None of this keeps him from landing, and keeping, a prestigious job, and trying to act like an upstanding person, to anyone who will listen! Also, another update on Tammy "Sunny" Sytch, and our opinion on Mike Tyson's plane punching!!Dream of speed, and form your own racing team, smuggle coke from Holland to fund it, and never learn your lesson with Vic Lee! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!  Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail]  Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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So we'll give you what you don't know. Patreon.com slash Crime and Sports. And you'll get a shout out at the end of the show as well. Jimmy will definitely mispronounce your name while trying to get it correct. So, okay. We need to get into this here. We have a British race car driver, which every race car episode, those episodes that people go, I don't know, that was one of those where I didn't want to listen because I didn't know

the guy. But then, holy shit, those are always the best episodes, the crazy ones. They're so fun. They're so much fun. So we're going to talk about it here. We're going to talk about Victor Lee. Vic Lee. No, no. See, Vic. Oh, okay. Vic Lee. We're going to talk about Victor Lee. Vic Lee. No, no.

See, Vic. Oh, okay. Vic Lee. He's not a Russian guy. Okay. Not Victor. Victor Lee. He is an Englishman, actually.

No kidding. He was born in 1954. And I know zero about his upbringing. Zero. Great. It's not there for the taking it's just not doesn't exist in the public record or anything like that unless i called his mom who i don't think is alive because he was born in 1954 unless i call his probably dead mother i'm probably not going to

get that so or in her 90s and that's no fun or yeah she's going to be telling me that you know he once he once went horseback riding with Herbert Hoover or something. What are you talking about? Her made-up story would have been so much fun. Yeah, yeah. I'm not going to make up the story here, but I would. Jimmy, why don't you tell me a story quickly? Just give me a back story.

An Englishman from 55, 54? He's born in 1954, and he ends up a race car driver in, like, the late 70s. So fill that in for me. What's his first 20 years like? He's born in 1954, and he ends up a race car driver in the late 70s. So fill that in for me. What's his first 20 years like? What happened is, in England, he got wind of the NASCAR circuit picking up steam in America and heard about the interstate revolution and how the rise of cars in America and the speed of them is incredible. He heard about the Hemi Cuda, so he picked one of those up and had that shipped over

to England. Wow. And the people in England lost their minds because those tiny roads, he was going so fast. Taking up both lanes. They were like, you should certainly drive for a living, sir. And at 16, that's exactly what he did. So his parents had a lot of money?

You know, it wasn't that there was a lot of money to be had. It's that he stole things from Buckingham Palace and then fenced them over in Ireland. Right from the palace. Right. He was the cat burglar in the fence. Wow. And then in Ireland, they were just so mad at the British, at the monarchy, that they were like, I'll buy it and burn it, you fucking bastard. Yeah!

He sold them at rock-bottom prices. It was amazing. It's a big markup up there. But he took low prices because he hates the queen, too. He's tired of sending part of his money to this family to live rent-free in this giant house. He's a Bucking part of his money to this family to live rent free in this giant house. He's a Buckingham Palace cat burglar who used his fenced royal good money to buy a hemikuda and just cruise along the English countryside. Spinning donuts around Big Ben, Jay.

People in Fiat's pulling off to the side of the road. Just Jensen Healy's falling apart as they go just the rumble of the cuda takes their front pack fucking quarter panels up mom big ben oh boy knocks out jet all the jaguars electrical systems hey kids uh parliament big ben european vacation so he vacation. I'll buy that. Sure. I'll buy that like stolen, like Belford Royal goods. Yeah, I'll buy it like an angry Irishman will buy a pair of the Queen's knickers to burn an effigy for a marked up price.

I'll do it. I don't give a fuck. Those cars are so loud. It made those soldiers that stand still. It made them move. Made them get out of the way. It did. It did, actually.

So, oh, I like this backstory. This is pretty good. He sounds like a real fucking. He's a real menace, this kid. Did he know the Royal Reaper at all? Did he know him? You know, I'm not real sure, but I'm sure he's a familiar, but I don't know if they were pals. I think after the Royal Reaper, he would have never been able to do this because the security was, I'm sure, tightened up immensely after a guy was taking a, you know, a grim reaper sickle and hacking the fucking heads off of the royal family.

I would imagine that they probably tightened it up. You wouldn't be able to steal as much so that's good that it happened later and this guy was able to that was a fun one too that really was a fun one i like that one i love making up a nice english backstory that was a fun one so lovely place i'm told it seems wonderful it really does um you know what i don't even care yeah it's taking us a minute to get into the story who cares you know what who gives a shit you want listen to last week uh ron lyle it's full of the whole story to story whole time next week next week we have a crazy nfl player it's going to be fucking wall-to-wall story two weeks from now

diego maradona so you know that's going to be holy that's one of the more requested ones of all time so we're gonna do that and obviously we kind of have to do it at one point i promised everybody so you're gonna have wall-to-wall stories we're having fun today you don't like it eat dicks there you go so anyway uh he's born in england 1954 and as jimmy told you he came up hard hard and hard and fast, driving Kudas, stealing fucking relics. He's doing it all, man. So somehow by 1979, he got into racing in the late 70s at some point where he was like a guest driver. So he was kind of like an intern. For like F1?

No, fuck no. For like these small little off-racing things. Really? Yeah, he was like an open miker at that point. Okay. Once in a while he might get to host for an opener or host for somebody half decent. So like, you know, he'll get to drive a car because somebody can't make it. Like a souped up Fiat?

Like a street car? Yeah. It's the touring series, the British touring car series. So it's basically like a lot of Volkswagen GTI hatchbacks and shit like that. Lots of sedans and shit. Yeah. Things you can buy on the dealership, but what's done to these, you cannot buy there. Yeah, and souped up.

And the BMW M3s are a big one, too. Yeah, those are popular. That's a big one. Yeah. Our guy here had those in his personal life. He loved those M3s. m3s are a big one too that's like those are popular big one yeah our guy here had those in his personal life he loved those m3s yeah those are hot shit too those 90s 80s expensive over in england like they are here because that's a that's a crazy expensive car for how small it's not just the import the import because they sell beamers they have bmws that are

23 000 new right now you know what i? Those two whatever the fuck are the real. Yeah, the small series. I've seen them. It's the 325s? No, no, there's one smaller than that. They have a 220? It looks like a Prius. I think that's what it is, like a 210 or something.

It's like a Datsun, like a BMW B210. It's a hilarious car. Why would you buy that? It's a real, but it's because it's a $23,000 BMW. So someone that wants to look at a label that says BMW, they can afford to do that rather than just buying a Toyota that's probably got more features because BMW stripped it down to nothing. Stop trying to impress people with your hood ornament because the numbers on the back make it worth nothing. Yeah, yeah. That's the problem. So it's not just the import

thing on it that makes them that expensive it's that they're really those are over a hundred thousand dollars those cars yeah you can buy a fucking ferrari for the same price as those bmws that's insanity but they're crazy they're so cool sincerely so cool they're really good cars they're really nice so there's some at 1979 he takes a break from racing a break from is the open mic circuit as open micers yeah do from time to time here they'll take a break they got a new job they had a baby there's no time to go out to the mics you know so from a five-year period from 79 to 84 he says because of quote business commitments don't know what those were that is at 25 what kind of business do you have going on maybe good business if you're driving

around kudas you got it all taken care of the pizza shop frowned upon the loud exhaust so you know i'm gonna have to gonna have to hang them up for a while there a couple of complaints from the people i was delivering these to. Yeah. So then in 84 he got back into it, I guess, and was actively involved with what they called saloon car racing. Oh, I want to know what that is.

The regular cars. Oh. They don't have like saloon doors for a side door? I was hoping that in a saloon car you have to have like a beer stein with you and be drinking at the same time. By like the 50th lap, it's just chaos out there. Chaos. A big mustache and a black garter belt around his bicep mixing drinks in the back seat while he's driving.

There you go, chief. You just see guys, you'll see a car, instead of going around a turn, it just stays straight, plows into the wall. Dude fell asleep while he's going just it would be a terrible race by the end of it there'd be two people left and they'd be trying to hit each other with their cars like just fuck i missed going because they're so drunk they forgot they were even in a race as long as there's cement barriers around the side of it i kind of want to watch that race from a distance yes from my television in my living room from a distance i want to see that race i want to see like how guys play rec league softball except racing oh you hit a single that means you got

a chug of beer like shit like that oh you won the first lap that means you got a chug a 20 ouncer let's go i think that could be done because red bull just had two guys fly planes put them into a nosedive and jump out of the planes and try to swap planes and recover them one guy missed the other plane and it just crashed into the fucking desert that seems reckless that seems dumb as shit when we're when we're jumping out of planes where no one else is doing it i think yeah that's we've run out of things to do we're jumping out of planes where no one else is doing it, I think, yeah, we've run out of things to do. We're bored. If we can do that, we can certainly get Tony Stewart liquored up on a closed track somewhere off in the desert. That's true.

I think we can do it. I'm willing to watch that. Think about where we've gone in 100 years in terms of public spectacle. 100 years ago, a guy would stand on top of a flagpole. That was a public spectacle. that's a crowd would gather now you have to fucking crash two planes and have guys try to swap out of the front of anybody and even then it's like yeah i saw that video for like three seconds fuck those guys they made planes fall from the sky, man, and we don't give a shit. That's awesome. They ghost rode a fucking plane and then tried to swap them and then missed it, so just pulled his chute and let it crash in the fucking desert.

But people used to get into a, like the daredevils would get into a whiskey drum and roll it off of a waterfall. And now it's this shit. This is different. If you told the Wright brothers that shit, they'd be like, oh, shut it down. We are not going to design this. We've run out of ideas is what it is. We're like, hold on a minute.

What if we're in the sky, right? Hold on. Follow me. I'll jump out of my plane. I'll just let it go, right? No, no, no. Nose dive that shit. No autopilot, nothing.

Just nose dive that shit. You do the same. We'll switch. Kill the motherfucking engine let gravity take it what do you say we're gonna beat it i'm gonna jump out i'm gonna beat that plane yeah i'm gonna get inside it and recover no problem watch this in the 80s that would be called an aerial chinese fire drill in the 1980s that's what that's what would called. If that happened in the 80s, that would be the headline. It's horrible. I can't believe I watched it like an asshole. And when it didn't happen, I knew it wasn't.

I knew it wasn't going to happen. It doesn't seem like it seems like that sounds like all of Evel Knievel's jumps. You're going to take a dirt bike and you're going to jump a canyon with it and you're just going to land it perfectly. And then you're going to have dinner later. later you made dinner you made reservations after this no your reservations are gonna be in the hospital what are you talking about what are you talking about dude reserve room 12 in the emergency ward because that's where you'll be yeah how would what would you like strain through your fucking iv and inject it into your body because that's how you're gonna be eating dinner when your face is broken and it was so every time did he land one fucking jump no he was not one right no no he was just

crazy enough to do it he didn't actually pull it off that's the thing you never actually did it right it'd be like if there was a running back in the nfl who never gained a yard and he was tiny and weak but he just kept running into giant guys who would hurt him all the time and he'd be out for a season he'd come back the next season get tack time. And he'd be out for a season. He'd come back the next season, get tackled once, and he'd be out again. It'd be the same thing as if we did that. And they'd hype it up. Yeah. He's back, everybody.

I've seen Evel Knievel land him, but the landing shatters his fucking body. And then the bike falls over, and he slides and tumbles. It's not the fit. He's a crushed his tummy tummy he never had a scientist i heard somebody i can't remember talking about there was no no one ever checked this over it was the joke basically no engineer very true no he never had a physicist out there going no no no nobody with a measuring tape trying to figure out if it worked i can't remember whose joke it was it's a funny joke not mine the force is gonna explode your spine and it did and your hips and everything

else yep that's gonna happen but god damn it it's on television it'll be on abc fun to see shit would get ratings too yeah so they did like a closed circuit evil kenevil shit back in the day i paid money to watch several of them yeah it's crazy. So now he comes back, like I said, to be involved in the saloon car circuit. And then he was looking forward to trying to compete at a higher level. And he ends up in touring car racing. And they just talk about everything that mentions anything about touring car racing british touring car racing just talks about how it's the most glamorous of all of it and all this type of shit i don't see any glamour in racing a volkswagen golf around for fucking four hours i don't see what the glamour

is in that i really don't the video you're delivering pizza yeah that was so much fun to watch though oh yeah yeah yeah play you know? Oh, that was a lot of fun. I get it. I just don't. I guess it's the relating, you know what I mean? Like, the audience can relate because they have that car, too, and they drive it every day to work. Whereas I don't know what it feels like to drive a fucking NASCAR, you know? No, that's true.

Drive a stock car like that. Yeah, I've never driven an F1. At the same time, though, they're in a circle. That's the part that I don't get. If it was like, we're going to run this guy's route to work every morning and see how it... That would be fun. You know, that's a race I want to see.

You know what I mean? Like, through the freeway traffic, get off on this and go to here, and then there's a bus stop, so you got to wait for those people. From San Jose to Mountain View. Let's watch it. Yeah, let's see what you got, motherfucker. It's a 45-minute commute commute see if you can get there in 35 see if you can give me pop tart time in the morning because that's what i'm looking for

just time to throw a couple pop tarts down do it up you better show up with a karma macchiato too because i stopped for coffee oh we're not there's time for that. We're cruising. So this is the explanation of touring car racing here that's given on the internet. Okay. Touring car racing is a motorsport racing competition with heavily modified road-going cars, like we said. It has both similarities and significant differences from stock car racing, which is popular in the United States. Right. and significant differences from stock car racing, which is popular in the United States. Because essentially the stock cars are, they're supposed to be like the body of a regular car.

That's the thing. It's like, look, in the 90s it'd be like, yeah, it's a Chevy Lumina. It's like, no, it's not. No, it's not. No, it's not a Chevy Lumina. It's metal tubes with a fiberglass stamp of a Lumina over it. Over it with a goddamn jet engine inside of it. It's bananas motor fucking ridiculous so uh while the cars do not move as fast as those in formula or sport car

sports car races because the formula one those things go 190 fucking miles an hour oh my god 220 240 they're crazy that's insanity um it says their similarity to both one another and to fans' own vehicles make for entertaining, well-supported racing. There you go. You're absolutely right. Relatability. The lesser use of aerodynamics means following cars have a much easier time passing than an open-wheel racing, and the more substantial bodies of the cars make the subtle bumping and nudging for overtaking a much more acceptable part of the racing. Yeah.

A lot of rubbing. So, a lot of rubbing and tugging going on over here. It's not good. That's why people love Dale Earnhardt. That's what he did. That was his, I mean, more or less he was the bad guy. He was the villain on the course that would nudge people out of the way, spin them out. What is the attraction?

Is that like a road rage fantasy camp or something? Like people are like, I want to- Rebben's racing, James. That's what it is. I want to bump people out of the way when I'm going to work in the morning, too. God damn it. I ate an extra Pop-Tart and I'm late. I don't know why people want it but they love watching it maybe

perhaps it's just because the the spin of another car at 200 miles an hour is pretty fucking amazing to watch but when they hit that dirt and that thing goes asshole over elbow that's horrible that's terrifying to watch you can murder somebody they get mad at people for throwing baseballs at a guy's ass or lower body while he has a helmet on. They're like, oh, he's a monster. Jesus, he should be banned from the game. This is fucking death sport. You can't do this. This is like running man.

Yeah, that's like running man. If someone intentionally spun you out on the road and you did that, they'd be charged with so many crimes. That's definitely not legal. Yeah, certainly. That's so fucking crazy to be like, what are you going, a buck 90? Let me make you crash. What are you, fucking crazy? Pit maneuver a guy.

Wow. So they say that, where is it here? Oh, as well as short sprint races, many touring car series include one or more endurance races, which last anything from three to 24 hours. Oh, boy, as we've talked about those. Yep. And are a test of reliability and pit cruise as much as car driver speed and consistency. So, yeah, you can't fuck up for 24 hours.

That's a lot. It's a long time to do everything perfectly correct. Touring car racing started in the mid-20th century as a long format style of competition that took on public roads between numerous towns. That'd be cool i'd like to see cars race on the road like that and not have it be like the formula ones or something real regular cars fucking san francisco and see a launch a goddamn m3 over one of those hills i want it to look like grand theft auto i want it to break where you can do that usa yeah cruising usa yeah yeah fucking fly i meant grand theft Auto, one of the ones that had the

hills. I think five you can do it. You just launch off these hills and you fly all the way to the next intersection, basically, if you're going fast enough. It's fun as shit. So, anyway, it started in the mid-20th century, blah, blah, blah.

The legacy of these beginnings can be seen in modern touring and gt cars the driver sits offset from the center line of the car and there's space for a second seat although they're rarely fitted anymore yeah why would you have the weight of a second seat um while rules vary from country to country most series require the competitors to start with a standard body car but virtually every other component may be allowed to be heavily modified for racing including engine suspension brakes wheels brakes, wheels, tires. Yeah, it's just keeping the body of the car.

Maintain integrity of that, and then outside of that, do what you want. What you can fit under the hood of a Volkswagen Golf. So that's your basic parameters. Regulations are usually designed to limit costs by banning some of the more exotic technologies available. For instance, many series insists on a control tire that all competitors must use. So everybody has the same tires and keep the racing close, sometimes by ballast weight where winning a race requires the winner's car to be heavier for subsequent races. Wowesus christ um that is weird they say that uh they're trying they're talking about comparing it to nascar and they say prior to the tooth to 2001 the british touring fucking whatever the hell it is touring uh car series here was contested by cars built uh to two liter super touring regulations A little tiny fucker. Two liters.

Yeah, like a Volkswagen. Two-liter motor, yeah. Yeah, and had its heyday up to nine different manufacturers. Joaquin Winklehock. Oh, well, he said. I'm with bated breath, Jimmy. I'm waiting to hear. I trust it already.

What Joaquin Winklehock said said stated on several occasions that it was the best touring car championship in the world and many champions of that era now race in the world touring car championship well then aren't you fucking cocky about it i'll bet this gave rise to the two liter motor being so popular around the world it has to be because in in england i know like and i don't know much but i we have seen a lot of in-betweeners when his friend comes over with that car you know fucking fucking football friend there no no not not the oh the nice one yeah not that it's a chinko chento hawaii not that one you know the fucking football friend when he picks jay up and he's like oh your rides they're all like oh man look at that it's like a fucking hatchback that if you pulled up to an american high school and

people be like that's cool you got a car you know they wouldn't they wouldn't be like oh man that's awesome where over there those type of like souped up little cars are hot shit i they have smaller roads and all that sort of shit just just different, you know, whatever. So, yeah, anyway, they they they've tried to make them more and more like regular cars over the years. I think they've realized that's their bread and butter as far as can't have anything too souped up because then it's not doesn't relate to people or whatever. So in the 1980s, Vic is doing some kind of side racing, and he gets a job as the general manager of an Audi Volkswagen dealership of Dartford in Dartford. What year? 1980? The 80s. Oh, okay.

Around 30 years old. Yeah, around 30 years old. GM of an Audi Volkswagen dealership. Very cool. Which we have had very few athletes that at age 30 are managing a car dealership. Right. That's usually when they're doing well or in prison at age 30, either one. Yeah.

Right. Being a part of a dealership at all is usually after they've been released from prison and they're selling a car. And they need a job. Yeah. They need a job. Like David Vaughn Jr., I think it was, who was doing that exact thing. And Oliver Miller also.

He was, yes, that's right. Yeah, he was working at like a, what was it, like a Chandler Toyota dealership or something? Like the auto mall or some shit. Yeah, like on the auto. What does he do, just stand there and fucking, you can see him from the road because he's so huge? He's like the wavy arm thing? Yeah, they just use Oliver Miller.

He just waves at people because he's 6'11 and weighs 400 fucking pounds. You can see him from space. Was that Oliver Miller or one of those wavy arm things? I think it had to be Oliver. Those wavy arm things are skinny. It had to be Oliver Miller. Had to be Oliver Miller. Had to be Oliver Miller. So.

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like you know whatever you're into man woman man man whatever they stick them in a cabin like a couple okay a couple sight unseen sight unseen you're getting you're in here you walk in one of them walks in and it's like a nice cabin kind of out in the woods and shit but like a nice clearing there's a hot tub outside there's like three of these cabins lined up and they walk in the first person they got all their shit they're like oh wow this cabin and then these cabins lined up and they walk in the first person that got all this shit. They're like, oh, wow, this cabin. And then just somebody else shows up and that's your person. And they're what's weird about it is reality shows.

Normally there is a crew around sound guy producer. There's all this different shit in these. They go in there and it's all done by remote cameras and everything's mic. So there's no crew. So the people like can actually talk to each other. But nobody fucks it's the weirdest thing i've ever seen basically ever trying right no no every day by the end every every morning you get a letter and you have and it says like are you going to stay another day

are you going to check out because you hate each other you're going to check out because you're ready to be a couple what are you going to do right and they have to decide every day what they're doing so they'll stay another day and we're going to see where it leads and we're going to check out because you're ready to be a couple what are you going to do right and they have to decide every day what they're doing so they'll stay another day and we're going to see where it leads and we're going to stay another day i like you you sort of like me blah blah blah and they have to have this conversation it's a forced date the forced date they're all it's stockholm syndrome we're going to stick you in a fucking room together but these people nobody fucks man and they're allowed to like use their phones and talk to their friends, too, which is ridiculous. So they're, like, in the next room, like, I don't know if she likes me.

Like, you know, it's like we're talking and, like, she's cool, but, like, I don't know. Like, you know, like, literally she's not, like, responding to me. And then the girl's in the other room and she's like, I don't know. Like, he seems nice. He's tall, he's handsome. And they're like going back and forth. They're in separate rooms talking to other people about, I don't know, hang out with each other, you fucking morons. How about that?

Yeah. There you go. Maybe you can see. Make him a drink. Make her a drink. I don't know how I feel about him. Well, you're talking to your friend. You're not going to figure it out there.

This is the problem with human beings now. I've seen him. I don't know how I feel about him. Well, you're talking to your friend. You're not going to figure it out there. This is the problem with human beings now. I'll say it. I mean, he's nice, isn't it? He's. Dude, that's the problem. Everybody now, they're like, they're, they're like, and this is everybody there. They have, they do something.

And then rather than just going with any kind of flow, they'd like stop and then analyze the the fuck out of it you gotta go talk to friends about it and see how they feel like what but you don't know just go stop everyone stop over analyzing shit and have a good time and live your life people are fucking well it's either that option or they have the option where there's the tv show about like british people going to the doctor to see what's wrong with yeah and that's and all of it's just sexually transmitted things that are all over of course yeah so maybe so they were fucking for a while maybe that show ruined their fucking it's younger people fuck less yeah like these 20 year olds are like oh i don't know like maybe we could be romantic like we're gonna have to hang out for a couple weeks to see if it can get romantic it's like what are you talking about

we're gonna have to be like best friends first and then like if i talk to him like he likes he likes my mates and like i like his mates it's like no what are you talking about try it on fuck each other and see if it works try it on before you introduce them to your friends yes it's so strange now we're gonna be like best friends first no you don't to be attracted to each other and see what else develops that's or the opposite but you don't you don't have to always wait like this i don't know it's a fascinating situation it's so weird there's people were like where they're like we're i'm sitting there Sauer and we're like, just fuck already. Jesus Christ.

See, you've been making out for three days. You've been in the hot tub. Oh, Jesus. They're touching? Dude, there's one bed. There's one bed. So that's part of it. At the end of the first day, they're like, well, they have to figure out the sleeping arrangements.

So some of the people will be like, well, you take your half. I'll take my half. And we'll put a pillow down the middle. Ha ha. We'll make it like camp. And they'll laugh about it. And some of the people, the guy will be like, I'll go sleep on the couch. And the girl's like, yeah, that'd be best.

So appreciate it. Half the time, the guy's sleeping on the couch and the girl's in the bed. And then half the time, they're sleeping together. Sometimes they're, like, making out in the bed, but they're not fucking. It's the weirdest shit ever. That's bad TV. It's so fucking weird, dude. It's the weirdest show.

I don't know if it would be good if it wasn't British. It's just the fact that they're British, and I'm loving watching all these British people try to figure it out. It's just so funny. I don't think that America would allow that. No, no, no. I think the guys would just be like so are we gonna fuck tonight or what will there be producers going you gotta ask her to fuck man seriously like we need like a hard cut on commercial too in england the reality shows are and there are ones that are you know ridiculous but they're allowed to breathe a little bit there's not people they're not just such hard cuts with like you know this music and all this shit just look at british look at kitchen nightmares american

and british and they're a completely different fucking show and it's the same thing happening so when you look at those things that's how we handle reality and that's how they handle we tv's like how are we gonna sell this to pepsi if you don't knock that guy that you've never met out in the face right in the fucking street? Punch him in front of cops. What are you, fucking? What are you, a pussy? Punch him in front of a law enforcement establishment.

Just knock him out and then get in your car and drive away. That should be fine, right? Call him a pussy in a weird Texas street accent that you are not street at all. It is the most fucked up thing I've ever seen. I want to see the people from Love After Lockup, not the people that like meet and know each other, but just prisoners and regular people put in these cabins together. That's what I want to see. Love After Lockup meets the cabins. That's what I want to fucking see right there.

You think you're free? You're not. You're stuck in the cabin with this broad. That's what I want to see. Because that would be amazing because they get in there and they'd be like, so why are you here? And he'd be like, I stabbed a bloke. I caught him. I caught him good.

And she'd be like, oh. That's nice, isn't it? Yeah. All right. Or another chick popping up. What were you in for? I loaded a spike of heroin into a man and he died. And he died.

So. So what do you want to do today? So you making dinner or am I? Because that's the other thing. It's like fully stocked with food and they have to cook and shit. Yeah, they have to basically like you're thrown into, you're a couple that lives together right now and there's no one else around. Sight unseen. Sight unseen. Can you get along or are you going to kill each other or what?

Throw some danger in there. Let's get some inmates. I want an inmate in there. That's what I want. I want that's i want that show so bad even if it's just one is a wild card cabin that's the one i want to watch that's what i mean that this is your halfway house mister this is how it goes you're going right you're paroling to the woods yeah i want you to still have like your box with your prison

shit in it when you pull up to the cabins like right from jail in an uber you don't even get to see your mom just you go right from jail in an uber you pull right up to the cabins you're like anybody from this season's perfect because this season of love after is fucking awful and it's great they've found the lowest they've they've how do they do it how do they do it they've hit rock bottom sir in terms of the people the show is entertaining but i mean in terms of people rock bottom yeah worst people ever hillbillies knocking each other out in the street that's how they've gotten to now guy just laying his chin out there yeah live action jerry springer is what's happening i can't wait for that bonus i can't wait i'm gonna have so much fun with it because i hate

every single person the most it's amazing now i just want them all to be british though that's real bad nobody in britain nobody in in england bad, right? There's nobody there that's that bad. They can't be. There's no fucking way they're like this. They have to be, no. There's assholes everywhere, though. There has to be maybe a smaller percentage of the particular asshole we're talking about, but they have to exist.

They have to. I want to see them. We've got to get to England because I want to see what these fucking people look like there. Yeah. I'm repulsed. You said that like they were a strange race of pygmies that lived in the fucking jungles that no one has seen before. They're in Borneo. If you go deep, deep into the forest land, there's a small group of tribesmen that no one has seen

in america they exist i want to take a gander at them if there's a very small portion of them they're somewhere i want to find them i will eat popcorn and watch them live it's got to be horrific right oh yeah Yeah, yeah. Because it's just like here, except with an English accent, making it much funnier. Making it way funnier. I mean, honestly, think about it. Think about the small-town murder express we did this last Friday with the fucking trail. Imagine that with an English accent. I can't.

You're fucking my daughter, aren't you? I can't do it. Gonna shoot you. Be fucking hilarious. Drunken one is what I was trying to do. I can't do it when I'm drunk. I want to see it, though. I got to see what is England's like.

Because I know in Australia, they have them, and they are really, really bad. They're bush people that are like, they call them bogans and they're like, that's the white trash there. That's, that's, yeah, they're crazy. And they're descendants of, yeah, we all know how Australia was formed. So insane shit. Yeah. But does Britain have that?

It's our West Virginia. It's the same thing. I don't know if Britain has a West Virginia or not. I know that they're there and I love how British people right now are cracking up that we have no idea what we're, we're making these assumptions and they're there. And I love how British people right now are cracking up that we have no idea. We're making these assumptions and they just know. But I know like the north is considered like the trash land. They're like that's where the beach, the farther you get north is like the accents get more, you know, away from that proper British accent. And that's considered like more a trashy, quote-unquote trashy thing in England,

if you went to London, that sort of shit. Yeah, but what's the lifestyle? What do they eat? What do they drive? How do they live? I'd love to know. What are your hillbillies like? English people, tell us about your hillbillies, please.

And don't just say Scotland. We get that. I understand that's going to be british people like to pick on the the scots i get that the english pick on the scots okay that's fine besides them who do the scots pick on who do they pick on the irish yes i know i get it but who does everyone pick on who can everyone yeah punch down on and it's not a country like where's the group and where do they live and what do they do yeah that's what we want to know who who is your trash who's the gross so yeah i want all of this god damn it so anyway we gotta go we gotta go there

james we have to we have to do a show over there one of these days we have to it's people we do i'm booking a week and i'm not leaving until i find that no no we're gonna wander and find shit australia you're just too far i'm sorry yeah we love you it's like it would take me a week to unfurl myself from a fucking plane ride that long my back would neck would be so messed up like i can't do it i can't do it i just can't fly that long you'll look like you look like a shirt that was folded and shipped yeah you never get the creases out i'm gonna be a disaster like i can't i just can't fly that long and it hurts my neck so across the united states i'm fucked up for a week afterwards for my neck so anyway uh back to vick here um he's managing an Audi Volkswagen dealer like we said

in June of 87 by then he's racing it says Vic Lee the current leader of the Monroe Production Saloon Car Championship yeah he's killing it at this point and Volkswagen Motorsports

Volkswagen Motorsports Rally star Simon Davison will join forces. Oh, they're going to join forces. Oh, teaming up. For Britain's only round-the-clock race, the Wilher W-I-L-L hire. Wilher, right? Wilher. 24-hour at Stedderton, Norwich, Norfolk on June 20th and 21st.

So that was happening there. Apparently, they're going to debut their Volkswagen Golf GTI 16 valve here. Yeah. It's going to dominate, they're talking about here but vick says quote but 24 hours is a whole different ball game so there's that it's uh he's the general manager they're talking they quote he's like the they're trying to talk about he's a star racer and then they quote him and say says vick lee general manager for audi Volkswagen dealer White House of Darford like if you heard like I think we're gonna go out and whip the Packers this weekend I'm gonna throw four touchdown passes

says the manager at the Dollar General you'd be like that's I don't want to watch that as much now says head lube mechanic at Jiffy Lube yeah what says head tire changer at Sam's Club. What are you talking about? I don't care. Vic apparently was the Uniroyal Tires Production Saloon Car Championship. Jesus Christ. But Vic finished at third in his class in the Uniroyal Tires Production Saloon Car Championship. They said it was particularly hard fought with just eight points separating the top three drivers. So he's at the top of his class of kind of lower level street Volkswagen racing in England. But sponsored by Uniroyal. That's a big sponsor. That's the race's sponsor. Yeah.

So he's doing fine there. Because I think they use the same tires, everybody. So somebody would sponsor that. October 1987, he wins a race here. This article calls him a racing ace. Racing ace Vic Lee from Halstead has roared to victory in the 1987 Monroe Shock Absorber Production Saloon Championship. Oh, God. Not the Monroe Shock Absorbers.

Oh, that championship's so prestigious. The Shockies, we all know that one. You win a Shockey, you're set for life, man. I suppose that's to legitimize the race, too, because, I mean, that's a huge shock brand. Yeah. They've got Uniroyal, and who was the shock a huge shock brand. Yeah. They've got Uniroyal. And who was the shock brand again?

Monroe. Monroe. Monroe's the big one. Yeah, Monroe Struts. Those are enormous. I mean, I would think if you got a bunch of people, because think about the audience for this is probably a bunch of people who are into that kind of car. And they have those kind of cars. Right.

And they're probably putting different parts. Probably got their shocks on it. Yeah. Yeah. So they're looking to buy shocks and tires. And that's probably a good group to really pump that toward. So they said he is 33 at this point of Knockholt Road, took the title outright as well as winning Class C for cars up to 2,000 cc's with a total of 44 points after the final round of the series at Snedderton. I don't know what any of that means. But he did.

24 points sounds like a lot. 44. Oh, 44? 44. Holy shit. It's like Barkley in Game 7 against the Sonics back in the day. That's fucking, you know, that's a lot, man. That's like Jordan and MSG coming back.

Yeah, that's a big day. It's a big fucking day, man. So, Vic, and again, I had to put it right from the paper because of how it is here. Vic, the general manager of the White House Garage, Bexley, who races a VW GTI Class C for cars up to 2,000cc, scored in 12 events of the 13-round championships, winning the class six times and five second places. Six times? championships winning the class six times and five second places six times so yeah 12 events 13 round championship yeah so 12 events he did six and six firsts and five seconds out of 11 times he was the second or first yeah 11 out of 12 times yeah it's pretty fucking impressive that's not bad um he said obviously we're very pleased because volkswagen were up against all the other makes like ford toyota and honda it's a big success for us to have won it he's now he can go back and sell more of them right i just want to race in a car like this

maybe that's was the what they were pushing the whole thing like he's doing he's racing for commissions i think maybe it is yeah it was like any anything above like their normal sales numbers for the month he gets like a boost for his i don't know he's clearly the reason he said it was really a very good year this year obviously it would have been nice to have won both championships but since fairy stories don't happen uh however it stands up it stands us in good stead for next season fairy stories yeah he's not fairy tales fairy stories i guess maybe in england they're fairy stories that's cute yeah it is well it's really funny like on that cabin show like they'll be sitting there talking and the the guy will just go to a girl he'll just they'll be sitting there talking he'll be like you fancy me it's just like what and that's totally

normal over there but here yeah you're proper fit if you sat and even love after lockup if they're sitting like in the car on the way home and the guy's like so you fancy me or what they'd be like what no instead on the way home the guy called his girlfriend fool like nine times in the car right i was like come on fool dude that is not that's not romantic one guy who got home and then yelled at the the lady because there was like a dust of instant potato like a speck of instant potatoes instant mashed potatoes on the stove and he's like when's the last time you cooked here? She's like, I got you an apartment, motherfucker. There is furniture in this bitch. It's not even empty.

It's not like there's a bed on the floor and there's a fucking TV over there and a box. I got couches and coffee tables and a fucking two-bedroom apartment. You've been sleeping smelling some other guy's balls for the last 12 fucking years. You're going to complain about mashed potato flakes? I'll cut you, motherfucker. You hear that hum air conditioning piece of shit yeah it's nice right come check out this fucking this shower where no one will ever try to rape you in come on follow me it's really cool i think you're gonna like it you fucking asshole i was so mad at that guy piece of actual shit how dare you that was wild and she the look on her face was like are you fucking kidding like she had to look like you're kidding right like if

he burst out laughing she would have like it would have been cool for the first five seconds and then went too far he's dead ass serious this guy this motherfucker's for real holy shit so uh vick here is hoping because he said uh you know we're in good stead for next season because he's hoping for a new deal hoping for a big new deal to come up he steps up to the british touring car championship that year right and team manager colin davids which sounds very british uh he and these two are currently trying to negotiate a new sponsorship deal. He said at this point the price of his success so far has been, quote, a big bank overdraft. Nothing.

Negatives. We need to get a better sponsor so this will pay off. That's the thing in racing is racing is really expensive at any level. At any level. It's insanely expensive. I mean, take your car and fuck it up every week and then fix it and see how expensive it is. First off, buy that goddamn car. Buy that car.

Buy crazy parts. Put it all in. Then hire a bunch of people who have to fix it every week and then see what that costs you. It's really expensive. Make it expensive and then destroy it and then pay people to make it expensive again. Fix it again, yeah. That's what it is. It's so fucking crazy. So we get a lot of these stories of these racing teams.

No one ever knows where the money's coming from unless they have a major sponsor or some businessman has bought a team for a vanity project or project or something he needs the ride off for the loss and all that shit exactly this is a good place to dump a bunch of money and set it on fire sure i don't know how english tax system works but yeah at least this is a good time so this is kind of everybody always has a thing of where the money come from where the money come from so it's a lot like kind of the beginnings of NASCAR. Yeah. Except it's still going on. Anything, any of these races, how many have we done? All these race car drivers are all scamming, scheming, smuggling, lying, fucking.

They're all shitbags. They're all shitbags, these guys that we've talked about anyway. We have a very narrow focus here. So, I mean, can't take that for everybody. So, anyway, they're looking to do that they said that uh they're trying to get different cars to be more competitive they're trying to get them in better shape they really want to do all this and they think this series can work because there's tv coverages of it now they said they signed a better tv deal the racing league um so they're like with more coming out we might might be able to make this an actual business.

Vic said it's an obvious progression of the whole thing. So if it's popular, yeah. If not, then not really. So he did really well. The last, he, in the wheel hire 24-hour race, he, Vic Determination Award for best effort to finish. What does that mean? It's a race. It's a race.

He tried the hardest, though. He didn't win, but he tried so hard. Everyone else was slacking off. They were texting while they were flying around the track. Like, what are you talking about? He's shifting gears and hitting the gas. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life a race has first second third fourth it has all times of your exact to the millisecond when you came in there's no heart for that it doesn't

matter he tried the hardest that's an award wow the determination award did he have one leg or something was that what they were saying somehow he put his leg from the gas to the clutch back and forth and still made it work that'd be impressive piss in his own lap did he not stop oh it says despite four or five accidents during the whole night four or five acts imagine getting five accidents in one day he repaired the damage and went on to finish in sixth place out of 19 overall. Not bad. 36 people started the race. 19 finished. Wow.

So 50-50. And he finished sixth, even though he had five accidents. Even though he almost didn't finish at all. So that means everybody had many accidents. Yeah. That's what that means. Or at least one really devastating one. Yeah, it has to be.

So now in the actual British Touring Car Championship Series here, he races in 87. He's only in one race, and he wins it. So I think that was the – I don't know what race that was. Never mind. I almost said I knew, but I didn't. 80-80s in nine races has zero wins, zero podiums even. So nothing there. Yeah.

And we'll go on here. 87 at the RAC Dunlap British Touring Car Championship. Yeah. He was on Team Demon Tweaks. What? Demon Tweaks. What? Demon Tweaks Racing, which sounds like it emanates from a trailer park. Yeah.

Demon Tweaks. We poop on the porch here in a bucket. God damn it. We all got pock marks on our face because we poop a lot. So, yeah, he does that. I guess it's because they're speed demons and their cars are all you know yeah that's a yeah but anything with tweak in the title is bad i don't like that at all yeah no 87 uh still the 87 british touring car championship class c that's his one win

that's also as a guest driver for the demon tweaks racing team again he drove a uh volkswagen golf gti again um 80 what is this 88 i believe no 88 yeah 88 here we go 88 the european touring car championship that's so there's the british there's the world that we've heard about and i guess there's a european one too it's like the mid-level i guess okay you miss just a few countries but not everybody not everybody uh he's in that he races he doesn't i don't know what position he came in but he didn't win or podium that bitch he uh he drives a bmw e30 m3 so okay badass the cool looking with those little round headlights. Those are badass looking cars. The engine is a BMW 2.3 in this. And then in 88, he had the RAC Dunlap British Touring Car Championships. He's driving a Toyota Supra Turbo.

Fuck yes. Fuck yeah. I have a picture and I'll post it on the social media. Actually, you can see I have it right here. What am I talking about? I'll show you and I'll post it on the social media here. Yeah, roll over, roll over. Get over here. All right, check it out. Here's him I'll show you and I'll post it on the social media here. Roll over, roll over. Get over here.

All right. Check it out. Here's him. Yeah, that's the straight edge one. Those are cool cars. Fucking bitching looking cars. Yeah, here's him. It's smoke everywhere.

He had to fucking slam on the brakes to not rear end this guy. They're the same color, huh? No wonder why it's relatable. Yeah, they're all orange. Looks like. They're all Supras. They're all orange. They all have the same logo.

They all have the same license plate thing in that. Dunlap on the side. Different numbers, I guess. So anyway, there's that. He's driving the Supras. He has eight races there for MIL Motorsport. And he doesn't win or pole or win or podium on any of those either. So not doing terrific there there so he won one race

in one season yeah won it didn't race any others in the next and he answered one one in like 17 races yeah there's no more races no more even coming in like second or third or anything like that uh the next up for oh that's never mind the 89 at the ra rac so british touring car championship uh this is team as quith auto sport trident motorsport he's driving a ford sierra rs 500 cosworth and i guess the engine is a maserati bit turbo so he threw a maserati motor in a fucking apparently i guess so which is very weird a ford r i don't even know what that is one of those tiny european it's probably a festiva but over there it's probably like a ford probe or some shit like that right that's true yeah 89 ish maybe

or it might be like i said it might be like a little festiva like those little tiny fuckers a little shit box with a fuck with a maserati in it? Same size as a Golf, you know? I mean, who knows? I'd love to check. I have a picture of the Volkswagen coming up, too. So 1990. He's had so much obvious success here. I mean, he won a race in 1987, so he should probably step up to a next level here.

He forms Vic Lee Motorsport. Really? His own company. his own team here uh it's based in springhead enterprise park in north fleet kent where uh he's preparing a bunch of cars for the british touring car championship a bunch of bmws is what he's making putting a team together he's got the money money. GM must be paying the bills. General managing a Volkswagen dealership must really be doing it for him. I can't fathom. Fuck. 1991, the Vic Lee team won the 1991 British Touring Car Championship.

They won the whole thing. His team won. Not him driving, but his team. With driver Will Hoy, who then left the team for Toyota after its major sponsor switched to Toyota. So he said, I'll follow the sponsor. He is now, Hoy was second in that year's championship with Vic Lee's new driver, Tim Harvey, in third place. So he had guys in second and third place in the series. So that's not bad.

Both under him. Yeah. That year after his team won two races, the next race, this, they were starting to do so well and people started, we're pissed off because he's a new team. So people were mad and there was one race.

I saw this actual video of them talking about it. It was really boring. We'll make it way more entertaining but it's vick lee talking about how that year and then these other drivers they have this one driver he is he looks like he's 60 years old like homer simpson bald you know what i mean like that like this 60 year old british man but in a full racing outfit with his helmet under his arm. Yeah. And he's complaining about the fact that the Vic Lee's team is their exhaust on their cars. Yeah. There's regulations for everything in racing. There is a decibel limit, a decibel limit on what your exhaust can be in racing. I didn't know that. Did you? Well, it depends.

Every race has its different regulations, and I can see why they would have a decibel limit. If it's like this, it's a road race, and if you take the muffler off, it gets louder, obviously. So you have to have a certain muffle, and that muffle also robs power from the engine so if everybody's got a certain level they can be at yeah then everybody's got the same amount of bone uh benefit from the exhaust that's that's what i figured yeah i figured it was some sort of performance issue yeah it's a it's a horsepower thing you're not allowed to exceed 110 decibels okay so you have to have a muffler is what it is oh yeah yeah you have to do it now they were complaining that their muffler their exhaust comes out under their passenger door there it's a side exhaust rather than a back exhaust so the test that they're running and they're basically they hold a little fucking sure looks like one of those ghost detectors

that those idiots on youtube use yeah they hold that up and it says how many decibels it is so they're saying because it's up there they're getting noise runoff from the engine as well and from a tin rattle under the door some little piece of tin that's rattling that's also adding to it and that's what's taking it over 110 that's the problem so that's they have an interview with vickley where he explains this then they cut to fucking jeffrey tambor british style in a full racing outfit the whole coveralls with the helmet under his arms and he goes it's just the rules isn't it it's just that's just the rules you can't it can't it's not for anything else. We all have to follow them. And he's just very proper. We all have to follow them. And he's like, he

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Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. It's fucking hilarious. But you gotta have, the short exhaust also gives you a benefit because the motor's breathing quicker. The longer exhaust, the longer the air

has to go, it robs power also. So having short dump, like straight headers that just go right from the – that's why hot rods have them dumping right out of the engine. Right off behind the front tires. Yeah, because it's a quicker dump. The motor's breathing easier. The longer the pipe, the less horsepower it has yeah i could see that well that i guess the other racers are saying that's the key to their success so far

is this exhaust the short exhaust okay yeah so they told them if they didn't fix it they wouldn't be allowed in the race and if they raced and then afterwards the exhaust was tested and found to be too loud after the race the team could be stripped of all the season's points so they had to get it down to a certain level otherwise they'd be fucked and it was a whole big fucking thing and it's so funny watching them try to do it and complain about it god damn it this isn't work it's so funny watching these people try to argue about the you're hearing engine noise there is nothing less interesting than an interview with a driver after a race or at all about the just just fucking race and shut up well i didn't die and uh that's always positive i didn't hit a wall not on yeah that's that's the same first

to the checker same thing as asking someone how is the flight i'm fucking standing here aren't i pretty goddamn successful i would say pretty successful yeah i didn't even have to parachute out and try to jump into another plane so i'd say i did it we went up we came down everything's safe here's my bag i'm alive yeah i even have my clothes this is terrific batting a thousand even got my tooth brush it's nuts it got it all so um anyway that's whole thing they ended up doing this race one guy thought his car was too loud so it's they show the footage at the last second before he crosses the checkered flag at the end yeah he fucking down shifts like a bitch and just pulls out, just crazy downshifting, like crazy, and then pulls off to the side and doesn't finish.

Because if he finished and then his exhaust was too loud, he would be penalized later on. Got it. So he had a teammate behind him and he let the teammate pass him and go. And then his, so they did all of that. Very smart move. Yeah. And then the- Quote unquote broke down.

Yeah. He just pulled over and then his teammate uh ended up failing the exhaust test and getting stripped of the points anyway so just the whole thing was a disaster that day everybody's too loud everybody's too loud fucking up um it's pretty fucking funny so 1992 tim harvey who was one of his racers we talked about he picks up the title for the team in a BMW 318 IS that's his what he wins the whole title with I guess that year he's

the champion of the car yeah this is 1992 so he's gone from managing a fucking car dealership to now you know less success six seven years later he has a racing team that won a championship. Right.

That's pretty impressive. Yeah. Grace. That's Grace, I think. Yeah. Yeah. They would quote him as general manager of the Audi dealership five years ago. That's so funny.

Now he's winning shit over here. So the problem is all of this is not financially rewarding so far. Even though he's winning and doing all this, he's also having – Oh, it's costing him a fortune. Yeah. To put together a good team, you have to spend money. And he doesn't have that kind of money to spend is the problem. So, you know, he's pushing 40 almost.

He's 38 years old or so and he's trying to figure out how to he's got this team this bmw team he runs up debts of about 300 000 pounds at this point yeah uh he's like fuck they're doing great but it's costing him money every week so what do you do at that point you're successful but you have to turn it into a business that works. So I don't know. That's a fascinating name for your currency too, because with that kind of debt, it certainly feels like 300,000 pounds. Pounds. You're getting pounded hard. Feels like weight. Right in the asshole. Pound, pound, pound. So he is pretty fucked on this. So he's trying to figure out how to put money together and he figures out how to put money together and we later figure out how he figured out how to put money

together uh well we didn't figure it out actually uh something called operation bounce figured it out oh shit oh yeah yeah the the brit British Federals figured this out, huh? Yeah, they did, actually. The British Federales figured it out. Can't get anything least federale than British, I guess. Spanish-speaking Brits. Yeah. I'm a federale, isn't I?

Pulls you over. All right right all right and then you roll the window up and drive away all right so um in this what he was doing is he was testing a lot they were testing their cars running these because you you know you fix stuff you put shit in and then you got to test it you have to run it and test it. Check the times. Is that faster now? Did that help? Did it hurt? They kept going to test at Zandervoort in the Netherlands.

So they kept having to put all their shit on the fucking, you know, take it to the Netherlands and ship it back and forth. They're doing it by boat half the time. Sure. It's a big pain in the ass. All your racing shit, all your guys, everything, you have to go over there. It's very expensive to keep going over there and doing that.

So they're like, why the fuck would you do that? Like, he's complaining of money troubles, and he's, no wonder why he's having money troubles. He's constantly testing in Holland. This feels expensive. Really weird. So he said, man, I need a, how can I make this work monetarily? How can I do it? Well, if I pack all of my shit with cocaine on the way back from Holland, I can make up the difference of what it costs to go over there, which is true, I would say.

So this happens in 1992 in September. Operation Bounce closes in on him here. Cocaine worth, it was 41.4 kilograms of cocaine. That's a lot. So a kilo is 2.2 pounds. So there you go. That's a shitload of coke, man. That's a lot. And a kilo is 2.2 pounds. So there you go. That's a shitload of coke, man. That's a lot.

And he's got thousands of it? Well, he's got 41.4 kilograms is what he's got. Okay. So 85 pounds of shit. It's a lot of fucking coke is what he's got here. So this is a giant article. They say it's worth an estimated 6 million pounds. That'll get me out of debt. That'll do it's what i mean yeah this will work he it was worth that they said it was

found in a trailer belonging to their racing team coming over the customs investigators believe the they this has been a giant thing they're like oh this is they're using racing as a cover this has been a giant thing. They're like, oh, they're using racing as a cover. This has been going on for a while, probably. Trailer was transporting a BMW racing saloon owned by Vic Lee Motorsport here and holders of the British Touring Car Championship title, as a matter of fact. It even says right in the paper. Vic Lee, former racing car driver and car salesman,

was one of 10 people being questioned by customs officers. He had a whole ring, man. Can't shake that day job. God damn it. Fuck. The sentence before is they have the paragraph before. They're the champions. And they're like, former car dealer, this bum.

Shit, man. Shit, man. Customs officers who intercepted the vehicle on the Olau Line Ferry Terminal at Sheerness Kent discovered it contained 41.4 kilograms of cocaine concealed in gas bottles for the hydraulic loading ramp. That's how they did it. And the hydraulics, they said these are – they also use these hydraulics for pit stops to jack the car up real quick. And they're just big metal tubes that go inside another big metal tube, if you've never seen that before. So you can put a shitload of coke in a big giant hydraulic thing if you emptied it out, hollowed it and shit. So they do, as a matter of fact. A statement from the customs and excise people said, quote, customs investigators believe they've stopped a major drug supply route using the glamorous world of motor racing.

How did they know to look in there? There had to be somebody. Somebody had to tip them off. Right. Because there has to be some of these times that they that. Yeah, I guess dogs will do it. But sometimes they had a tip and then there's dogs. Right. Sometimes they find like an RV packed with this shit.

And I'm like, how did you do that? How did you know to look in there? It's not like you had a bunch of weed and you can smell it from the outside. Right. It's inside the tires. How did you know to look in the fucking tires? How would you even? Well, they know how people smuggle, I guess.

So, yeah, they said that the customs officers closed in when the trailer completed a return journey from Flushing in Holland to Sheerness. So they waited for it. They knew what he was coming to do. What they did is, this is fucking wild, actually. In case they got away, because they wanted to see where they went. If you just bust everybody right there at the customs thing, then you don't know information. You get no information. Right.

at the customs thing, then you don't know. You get no information. Right. So what they do is the agents, because you have to take sometimes hours to clear customs,

especially with a big, giant trailer full of shit. They have to go through everything. So what the customs agents do is they take all the cocaine out of the hydraulics and replace it with bags of fake cocaine.

They just replace it with bags of powder so it looks right. They got the same bags and everything. Send them on their way. They did it. Oh, yeah, you guys are good. And they left so then they could follow them, see where the drugs go, see where the people go. They figure all that out.

And they thought if they lost them, then they won't have a shitload of coke to sell anyway, level this fake coke. Either way, we got the coke and they're busted. But let's try to get some more info, which i think was brilliant honestly that's fucking brilliant we'll take the coke out and replace it jesus also they think they got away with it so even if you don't stop them where they go with with the drop they're coming back because they think they did it they think they did it you're gonna get them again absolutely that fuck it's working so that yeah they didn't make any arrests at the ferry port but they swooped in on a number of addresses the next day uh they said that it was understood that the team was had taken the car to holland to meet a potential buyer who never showed up that's

what they told customs agents we took the car over there and we just to sell it and the guy never showed so we had to come back with it you know that goes yeah stuffed with cocaine as well uh the the a woman who answered the phone at the racing team's headquarters said there may be a statement from the group later but that's the only comments that they'll make here so there's that um wow it's very fucking interesting so also very common apparently in racing as we found out through how many of our episodes. Yeah, the speedboats love it. All the boat racers and these guys, they just love adrenaline.

And they're doing expensive sports that don't pay for themselves. So people generally, A, don't like to reach into their own pocket for shit like this. And B, sometimes they don't have that kind of money to do it. You'd think as a drug trafficker you'd be calling these guys non-stop hey uh you're going where take this with you yeah here to grab that why don't you that's yeah i think that's what happens the route from holland to kent i guess has become popular with running drugs because there's a shitload of large volume of of people coming in and out so it's hard to they can't inspect everything basically. So people slip through the cracks. And these trucks are enormous,

so it's easy to miss something. Oh, fuck yeah. All these parts too. Think about how many different car parts and things. And I wouldn't even know what the fuck most of that shit was, you know? So I wouldn't know that it opens up and there's a container and there's Coke in there. Who knows?

Most of them have some sort of hollowed out cavity in them that if it's a car part, you know what I mean? They're, they're built in a way that's like a bowl, almost they want it to be light so it's not going to be solid metal yeah it's going to be light um the uh on this route the largest ever hall of ecstasy was busted largest largest ever discovered hall of ecstasy was on this route um yeah it's apparently they motor racing people say that uh people do this because you have an opportunity to go back and forth and the being on a race team offers frequent and

legitimate journeys across borders oh yeah that make you look less suspicious obviously obviously and the tires and the racing equipment provide great hiding places absolutely it's perfect um so uh last year the year before this at 91 customs and excise seized more than 1 000 kilos of cocaine with an estimated value back then i don't know how true this is of 138.4 million pounds holy shit so this was almost double the previous year's seizures, which was only 561 kilos. And the price of cocaine on the street, though, this is great. I didn't know what the price of a street gram of cocaine in England was in the early 90s. And I didn't know I wanted to know, but once I found this out, I really do. I'm really interested here.

It was about between 80 and 100 a gram during the 90s. That seems expensive, right? It depends. In the 90s, in New York in the 90s, it was about that. It was about 80 bucks a gram. It was about what it was. Not in the city, but outside of the city. You can go down and get some stepped on shit for 40 bucks.

I don't do Coke, by the way. And I hate coke. It's gross. But I do know what it goes for because it's easy to sell. So anyway, the the latest seizure, they said, are estimated around six million dollars or pounds would be unlikely to make a third of that amount for the smugglers themselves. As they're talking about, they're talking about how this is broken down into distributors. Like the actual person smuggling, it's not going to make that kind of money, obviously.

They said last year a man tried to walk two and a half ounces of cocaine hidden in an artificial leg through the customs there, too. Brilliant. Yeah, that'll work. Most of the time it's got to work, I would think. And you'd think a lot of people would be doing that, too. Yeah, that'll work probably. Most of the time, that's got to work, I would think. No one's going to. And you'd think a lot of people would be doing that, too. Yeah. Whether it's a real fake leg or you just tape your leg up and, you know what I mean, make a fake leg.

Tape your foot sticking out the back of you. That's a good point. I don't know. I got a goiter. Don't worry about it. I got a rash. It's huge back there. So this is pre-9-11 like pre-9-11 you could people aren't

telling you to pop your leg off most of the time you know it's not very search and seizure now they're heavy now they're like limp through the body scanner just fucking lean on it it's fine you fall down we'll kick you out of the way take that off put it through our x-ray and you hobble through here do you need somebody to help you that's what we do there well good do you have anyone with you well then you're fucked sorry so crawl crawl we can still scan you so uh he goes to court and in court he's gonna plea to this because i mean he's pretty busted what do you gotta do yeah not a lot you can do there he uh they said he was sobbing in the court and he begged the judge to go easy on him saying how he had quote destroyed his own life he's destroyed it all um so the judge it's his first

offense and you know i think the judge will probably take it easy on him you know and be like listen he's obviously distraught. It's his first offense. No, no. This is the early 90s. So this is a different story. The fucking judge calls him, quote, worse than the most violent bank robber. He's worse than Action Bronson. Wow.

Holy shit. He said that, I'll have a full quote, that his offenses were more serious than the most violent bank robberies and that drugs are the, quote, greatest threat to society today. You, sir, may fuck off. Nancy Reagan got to him. Whoa. 12 years he gives him for this. Holy shit. Yeah, that's a lot. 12 years. gives them for this. Holy shit. Yeah, that's a lot. 12 years.

My God. So Vic has taken the brunt of, you know, like all these public service announcers. Don't do drugs. Keep kids off drugs. Like Vic is, oh boy, he's getting hard. Number one over here, the guy behind the wheel of the BMW. He's like, all right, all right. Worse than a bank robber? Oh, all right, all right. Worse than

a bank robber? Oh, 12 years, isn't it? Yeah, that's bad. Worse than the worst one. That's not even the worst sentence. Robert Mason, who was also involved in this, was sentenced to 18 years. My God.

One of his partners. Jesus. Judge Jeffrey Rucker ordered Mason to not offered him. Why don't you do this if you want? Ordered Mason. How's about round about 12, eh? How's about that? How's about you pay this much in a fine? Offered Mason to surrender 466 million pounds in assets.

Mason to surrender 466 million pounds in assets and, uh, Vic Lee to surrender 167,447 pounds in restitution, I guess, or fines or whatever the fuck it is. Yeah. Um, so they're talking about it. They admitted to importing all the cocaine and they did all that shit.

Um, they, uh, admitted to conspiring to import drugs at different times and not just that wasn't their only one and all that shit. They had to admit to all that. Another two other defendants who will be sentenced later, David Almond from Chisel Hurt. Chisel Hurt. That sounds made up from Chisel Hurt, Kent.

He admitted to conspiring to smuggle cannabis. Oh, no. He had weed. Come on. And Alan Humberstone, which sounds like the most British man who ever walked the face of the earth. Alan Humberstone, nice to meet you. He's 36. He was found guilty of smuggling and conspiracy as well.

So he's in prison. His racing team is liquidated, obviously. Oh, boy. He's in prison. You've got to liquidated, obviously. Oh, boy. He's in prison. You've got to pay all that back. Oh, shit. Liquidated. Some of the assets sold went to the team's driver, Ray Bellum, and drivers Bellum and Steve Neal, who together formed Team Dynamics.

So they picked the bones and the carcass of this fucking burnt-out husk of a fucking racing team. Yeah. And did this. So, yeah, they and the BMWs people that were working with the Vick Lee's team. They were like, sure. They just moved everything all over, all over there. I like how the newspaper puts it here. This is from Turnbridge, Welks, Kent, England, this newspaper. Cambridge Welks Kent, England, this newspaper. And it says the German manufacturer clinched the televised British championship last year with the help of Kent-based Vic Lee Racing Team and driver Tim Harvey.

With Vic Lee no longer wanting to be in the series, he's in prison. Yeah. I assure you, he wants to be. I don't think he's – I don't feel like driving anymore. I'm good. I just don't feel like it. It's passed me by. No, this is ridiculous.

So, yeah, they talk about how there's new drivers and blah, blah, blah, shit that we don't care about. So, anyway, 1998 he is paroled. So he only does, he's put in prison in 94. So he only does like four years in prison. Four of the 12? That's not bad. I mean, third of the time he's out.

So, okay. He works for Team Dynamics. They hire him. His drivers hire him, so that's nice. And a little while after that, he ends up taking over a race team and starts another one. Okay. He takes over the Bowman Motorsport team and restarted the team as VLR, Vic Lee Racing. Comeback kid, yeah. He's the comeback kid.

And he ran a program in the National Saloon Car Championship. The team was given its own space at Peugeot's Stoke Heath factory. I don't know if that's good or not, but they seemed very like that was a prestigious thing. like that was a prestigious thing the uh relationship also meant that the team also designed built and developed rally cars for the british iteration of the peugeot 206 cup a one make rally championship i don't know what the fuck any of that shit means at all one make means everybody drives the same car i suppose yeah because that's like the toyota super one where they all had supers they all had orange supers i guess that's like the Toyota Supra one where they all had Supras. They all had orange Supras. I guess that's how you can really make it competitive.

What can you do with the car? Yeah. How do you soup it up within regulations and how do you drive it? Because we're all starting with the same shit. It's interesting. Except you kind of want to see different cars racing each other. I like seeing, yeah, I like seeing- What's faster, the Beamer or the Mercedes?

What one dominates. And that makes that car sell better. Yeah, that's cool. For sure. I guess advertising all of them out there, that also probably works. So he's doing all this. This 2002 comes around, and one of the drivers, remember Tim Harvey who we brought on back in the day? Well, they're calling him British touring car title favorite in 2002.

He's a hero, yeah. By now, he's like one of the top drivers. He signs, this is March 2002, to drive a Peugeot for Vic Lee Racing again. So Vic had him, went to prison, all that shit. Now he has him again. So he's doing pretty well here. His team competes for 2002 2003 2004 everybody's doing you know pretty well he's got a great driver lined up he's driving pujos everything's awesome

um then february 20th 2005 comes around okay um this is fucking amazing this is a couple people get in trouble one of the guys who gets in trouble here's a guy named jerry mahoney with a g now i tried to look up who jerry mahoney was it says that he is a entertainment promoter corporate entertainment promoter yeah so the guy who like hires comics to do your corporate fucking retreat or something like as if it is that guy's a nightmare and fuck him he's a dick he does a lot of coke he hires you tells you you're gonna have a lot we're gonna have a lot of fun it's gonna be great and then he gets there and he just says um don't like make any jokes about uh children um uh marriage yeah um money difference between men and women uh dogs women um if you could keep it

to like we have this gm he's got he's bald he's really funny like one time we went on this trip if you could keep it to that story for like an hour and a half and just make fun of him for a little bit everybody laughs at that that's jerry mahoney and he can suck my dick so uh jerry mahoney and he get in trouble and we'll talk about this I looked up all these things the only Jerry Mahoney I could really find is here roll your chair over here I want this to be a reveal for you is this Jerry Mahoney pop a tear no no not the ventriloquist not the guy sitting he kind of who looks like mel gibson by the way this younger times yeah these dolls these scary terrifyingly frightening fucking man is jerry the others mahoney these ventriloquist dolls that every like every

50s horror movie had like one of these it's going to kill people this is the exact model they use they are known as jerry mahoney models that's what they're these models so if you see that freaked out bug-eyed weird mouth on the like a scary 50s ventriloquist doll that's a jerry mahoney okay that's what that's called it's created by a guy named paul winchell and uh these are the first here that he made. Those are terrifying. They're terrifying. One's like bald. Is that one? Are they trying to have one white and one black one?

Is that what they're going for? I can't tell. I think that's what they're going for. I don't like it. I don't like it at all. It might be. Yeah, that looks like when bald guys get hairlines tattooed. That's what that looks like.

And then he's got like blonde, dorky hair there. And they're dressed a little bit different. Yeah. Yeah. The originals were made of wood and sculpted by Frank Marshall and has detachable. Jerry's? Jerry Mahoney's. Same as that guy.

And apparently they have a detachable carved wooden head. Jesus. Oh, I don't like that either. And dressed in a red sport coat and bow tie. Why does it got to have a detachable head? What's that about? Oh, I don't like that either. And dressed in a red sport coat and bow tie. Why does it got to have a detachable head? What's that about? Oh, no. It is a white one and a black one.

Oh, my God. The white one's Jerry Mahoney. Yeah. Oh, my God. Dr. Paul Winchell. This is his fault, not mine. This is also 1938. Jerry Mahoney was his one puppet.

The other one, the black one, his name was Knucklehead Smith with two Fs. I hate it. Oh, my God. Did he do this act in blackface or what? I mean, not to be, that's just fucking. That's too far. This is, you know, what's his name? Fucking. Oh, is it Dunham?

Jeff Dunham level of shitty puppeteering here. But anyway. That's awful. That act, they were popular from 1938 through the 80s, actually. They had the Paul Winchell and Jerry Mahoney show. He had his own television fucking show. Made appearances on guests on ed sullivan and all this shit so anyway with the mr smith doll

how do you justify that is terrible he's also the inventor and holds a patent of early television of an early version of the artificial heart this guy So he made dummies, and he also made artificial hearts, and he's known as the voice actor for Tigger in Winnie the Pooh. That's where I've heard his name. I knew Paul Winchell was a name that I'd heard. He won a Grammy Award for that. That motherfucker. He's Tigger.

He makes artificial hearts and racist puppets. That's what he does. What a weird full life did he create the artificial heart james because he also makes uh winchell's donut shops and clogs hearts we're gonna make we're gonna replace them all so all you can eat crullers on sunday that was like it had nothing to do with our shit, but it was so weirdly interesting that I had to put it in there. So anyway, the problem is for Vick Lee and the other Jerry Mahoney with a G. This Jerry's with a J, the puppet Jerry.

Basically, he's followed. He drives his BMW M3, Vick does, to a Holiday Inn hotel in High Wycombe, Wycombe, Wycombe, whatever the fuck it is, pulls into there. He's being surveilled by police is the issue. Yeah. And they stop him and they basically find him. They bust him in the middle of him making a drug deal is what they do he has um in his trunk of his car he has 19 kilos of coke uh-oh in his trunk that's not great at least he halves he did yeah but it's just in his car this time. It's not in the whole racing setup.

Also had 19,000 pounds in cash in the car as well. Oh. Mix those together, it's not great here. So he's arrested for, obviously, the possession of that. Street value at that time said of 1.7 million. So it must have went down. Coke went down a lot. I had a feeling it did. There was certainly a plunge because it was, fuck, man, 2001 is so cheap.

So cheap. Yeah, it was cheap. It got cheap, too, especially in Arizona because it was dirty and it was bad. It was not good. So, yeah, they pounced on what appeared to be a drug transaction involving four men. So all four of these people lee this time is said to be the mastermind and the organizer and everything like that basically the other guys had cash with them when they got busted and he had uh cash and all the coke so he had the bank and the

product that's the issue is there a little bit of a problem for him so um i mean he is he is as the english would say right fucked right now proper fucked proper fucked by the way i love i got sent a message the other day and i love getting messages from anywhere in the british isles because i get things like it said oh you're right cunt there's the opening to it oh you're right cunt is the opening to it oh you're right cunt big fan love crime and sports keep doing what you're doing forever brother or some shit brother whatever the fuck he called me something at the end but i was like that is awesome yeah oh you're right cunt i love you okay great i don't care just if you end it with i'm a fan, I don't give a shit what you call me to start out with. Knock yourself out. So anyway, he is just, you know, this is a mess now.

He doesn't know what to do with himself. He's got to figure out how to change his life around. He just needs change in general, you know, just a whole change. And he's sitting in his place and he's like jesus what am i gonna do i can't sell coke anymore i mean this no cars only who's gonna trust me to race and even no one's gonna buy a car from them you're gonna think there's a bunch of coke in it they're never gonna buy it from you am i gonna drive away and get busted by the swat team here this is ridiculous so he doesn't know what to do with himself he's very confused and uh And all of a sudden, there's a knock on the door, Jimmy. Oh, my goodness.

He said, who is this? And it's someone who can help him arrange and decorate his life. It is Dexter Manley, interior designer from New York City. And he says. How is it you've come to arrive here? Oh, my God. You, sir, are the white trashiest white trash that's ever trashed. It's like I'm from America, so we think British people, you're so fancy and you're over here.

You're like, cheers to tea, and my pinky's out. And like, oh, my God. You just oil each other up and do things and drink tea and have fun. It's just British and it's a good time and it's how you think of you, but you're trash, sir. You're just going around with like little cars like you're like 20

like little cars and you put like drugs in them like it's all scummy and you have like other people around and they're all scummy too and you're meeting in Holiday Inn parking lots. What are you from, Scotland? That's that's white trash so you're like what do you like what do you like from well are you welsh or something it's like it's like whales level trash out here it's so weird but i either way i don't like it and i'm judging you sir sir head to toe judgment poof there you go have that i'm out of here poof in a In a puff of feathers and boa, he's gone.

And Vic is very confused. He doesn't know what's happening. He said, was there an American man in here? It was very confusing. I thought he was British, but he wasn't. He's very confused. And he has to go to court all sorts of confused. And he doesn't know what to do with himself.

Oh, boy. And he goes to court. And he confused and he doesn't know what to do with himself and uh he goes to court and uh he has to plead guilty he's standing there with a trunk full of coke and a bunch of money in his hand like you can't get busted any more red-handed than this they've done a great job of busting him yeah on government camera like we yeah it's ours we got the holiday in it just makes it sound even sleazier he is sentenced to you sir may fuck off 12 years again he gets for this didn't even up it that's well they did they did up it because he got he had half the uh coke and got the same punishment but it's still fucking transporting yeah but it's

not smuggling this time it's a different i guess probably there's different charges here. So his assets and those of Jerry Mahoney will be restrained and confiscation proceedings will follow. Oh, boy. Mahoney receives 11 years for his part in the deal. He should have got 50 for those puppets. So another one, Nicholas Atkins and Jonathan Wheatley were the other defendants. This was the four people that were meeting for this big deal named in the case. And they searched the Wheatley's home address, apparently, and it was searched and they found a shitload more cocaine in there. So that wasn't good, along with 54,000 pounds in cash.

And Wheatley receives nine years where Atkins receives six and a half years in jail. They all pled guilty to drug trafficking offenses in 2005. And in addition, Lee and Wheatley also pleaded guilty to offenses contrary to the proceeds of the Crime Act of 2002. act of 2002 and uh and then the order was granted in 2005 for forfeiture of 73 230 pounds from lee in accordance with that act doesn't isn't this probable cause enough to search every racing team i really think if you see a racing team coming in just give them a once over run a dog around that truck would you check the tires check the hydraulics they're more than likely it's filled with cocaine that's what we're saying it's more than likely it's all fucking blow everywhere cars made of coke it's all coke maybe that's what it's like

cheech and chong up in smoke yeah just made liquid coke and turned it into a truck itself pressed it into a vehicle yeah drove it across the border i think maybe that's what happened it's not fiberglass it's melted coke coke. It's just melted coke, man. It's just like coke shatter is what it is. So they went on to say this is a significant success for customs, not only in terms of the seizure of a large quantity of cocaine, but also in that a criminal organization heavily involved in Class A drug trafficking has been dismantled. That's what they said the fact that we are dealing with serious and determined criminality is evidenced by the fact that lee was sentenced to 12 years imprisonment in connection with the importation of 41 grams of

cocaine 41 kilograms of cocaine 93 yeah so uh the driving factor behind criminal involvement in drug trafficking is money. Therefore, it is particularly satisfying that in this case, we have seized in excess of 70,000 pounds from the defendants, blah, blah, blah. The severity of the sentence is handed down today should send out a loud and clear warning with those who attempt to deal class A drugs in the UK. They will not have it. So we'll give you the same sentence every time. We're not have it. So we'll give you the same sentence every time. We're not having it.

You get nothing aggravated, nothing upped, no penalty upped, less money even because it's less coke. Same time. Same time. October 2007, the confiscation order comes through here. It's issued after additional investigations into Lee's drug trafficking offenses. His sentence will be extended. His jail sentence will be extended if he does not pay the 72,000 pounds within six months. Oh, they're going to make him stay longer.

So, yeah, you have to stay if you don't pay this back. So that's big time. The assistant director for investigation for the revenue and customs here said, our teams of investigators have achieved a fantastic result that sends a clear message to those who engage in serious organized crime. Oh, boy, calling it organized. This has been a significant success story for us in terms of seizing such a large quantity of cocaine, the dismantling of a major criminal organization, and returning the profits from this crime back to the nation. Yeah. So there you go.

The profits from people doing coke. Yeah, that's... Anyway. All the fun times people are having in all our nightclubs here. You know how it goes. So May 2012, he's out of jail. So he had to do more time this time he gets a job like a legit job immediately what's he doing like fucking immediately he's become the managing director of luxury sports seat manufacturer corbeau he's a what yeah he's

working for corbeau and he's an executive he's the managing director of corbeau no he's in charge of this fucking right out of prison for trafficking coke right out to a place that ships car parts all over the fucking world and all over europe that you could easily put boxes that are enormous they're seats for christ's sake oh yeah yeah it's coming in on those big ships man yeah fucking like yeah you can, you can't look through that. Yeah. That's what's going on here. For Corbeau.

Next to Sparco. That's one of the biggest manufacturers in the world. They said they supply shit to all the major stores, all the major. They're huge. People are fucking pissed about this, by the way. They really are. There's people, all sorts of people on the internet, super off at this he said bullshit mister yeah he said that he has paid his for his crime and he's a quote glittering example of how this shit should work you know what let's just let him explain it

i can't say it myself here um let's see here let Let's do it in their own words. Let's do in their own words. Quote, there is something that I can never get away from. This is something I can never get away from, but it is something for which I have been punished and which I would like to put behind me once and for all. But people just won't let me do that. I do not know what people want me to do. Do they want me to just come out of prison and go on the dole at taxpayer's expense? I've been lucky enough to pay for my crimes. That's a weird way to say it. And now I've been given the opportunity to get back into the industry that I love. People should view me as a glittering example of the prison system working properly, not jump on me every time I do something new. The way people talk about me makes me seem like some sort of monster, but I've paid for

my crimes. I just want to move on with my life. Oh, boy. There you go. So he is big time. Now, other people are lucky. You better. He's fucking.

We should be lucky that he's such a good guy. God damn it. Because he feels lucky to have been to prison. He's lucky to have been to prison. I'm lucky to have paid for my crimes. a good guy, goddammit. And may I ask if this is responsible behavior from a public limited company that sells children's bikes? People cannot believe how many second chances this guy has been given. Oh, we're beyond second chances now. This is chance three right here. Yeah, he becomes kind of a hated guy now because a lot of people are like, hey, fuck you, asshole.

He's failing upwards, like failing, flaming out upwards. Simi, he goes to prison, comes out, gets a race team, they're champions. Okay, blows that, comes out, gets a great job, is the head of this fucking thing. It's ridiculous. But not a good time to be Vic Lee otherwise because he's getting a lot of shit. A lot of people are mad at him. mean you know you feel sorry for a lot of people that are named vick lee i feel sorry for all these people jimmy yeah but not nearly as sorry as i feel for vick lee retail and e-commerce platform executive in hong kong no yeah uh vick

lee vice president of engineering in new taipei city uh Victor Lee, co-host of the networking podcast, Things I Didn't Learn at Harvard. What? New York City metropolitan area. That sounds real exciting. Victor Lee, back-end. By the way, that's the only podcast that ever got a fucking plug on our show here.

Victor Lee, back-end software engineer, New York City metropolitan area uh then i found vic lee who was a san francisco journalist a tv journalist for 50 years who retired from kgo in 2020 abc7 doesn't bother with coke yeah he was one of the first asian american reporters in the nation to appear regularly on television. Wow. Good for him. Big deal.

Yeah, big deal if you're a fucking Asian kid growing up in San Francisco and this guy's on TV. It's probably a big deal for him. And then also Vic Lee, some fucking cartoon artist that had these cartoons that aren't really funny in the paper. In 1995, he made comic strips he was a uh it was the it was the comic strip non-sec or no it was i need help it's called oh and it's not an instructor no and i need help and it didn't look very good it took the spot of non-sequitur apparently um yeah he was he's from tucson so that tells you a lot from tucson arizona oh yeah and then also vick lee artist muralist urban poet um he calls himself type typographer wizard of ink author of the corona diary 2020 speaker and inspirationalist do you say top

or typographist uh a, what did I call him? A typographer. I hate him. He does shit like this. That's a hand-drawn mural, though. Wow. Yeah, dude, check that out. He does tons of shit like that.

That is unbelievable. It's incredible. Like, as an artist, dude is, like, if you want to. Look at the letters. They're so crisp. It looks like 1870s advertising. Yeah. It's so fucking cool.

Start tattooing, sir, because you're amazing. He has all of these like huge murals. He does a lot of ads for he does. It does it for like companies that want that old look like that. They hire him and he makes this crazy real thing here. It's pretty badass, though. So there's that guy. You look up his shit. And then finally

i found right here on linkedin victor lee managing director corbo seats ltd son of a bitch there he is here's his about from here's his about from linkedin want to see if he mentions fucking coke smuggling tell me anything about how many times you've been arrested for having kilos of coke yeah you've spent like 12 years of your adult life in jail that should that should definitely be on the resume it's a big time jump to skip you've been caught smuggling twice over 60 fucking kilos of coke that is a lot man so uh it says about having been in the motor racing industry for over 40 years operating at all levels i would say including fucking coke in a holiday and parking lot my input has had a great effect on the corbeau seats business well then

are you cocky many of my old uh sparring partners drivers and teams alike know of my reputation to deliver on time and deal with some complex situations. Did he just say that? Don't say deliver and deal in the same. My old driver's team's like, no of my reputation to deliver on time. Are you joking, bro? And deal.

You're a smuggler and deal. You're a smuggler and deal with some complex problems like having the fucking... The feds on my ass yeah the federal in the wheel well wow uh the sport has always been good to me and i'm enjoying it from a slightly different perspective these days working with the cmc group which owns corbo seats ltd luke harnesses ltd and show tracks ltd has been a very has's LTD has been a very challenging at times. It's your LinkedIn profile.

Have somebody proofread it. As it continues to grow to become a solid, respected supplier to the industry. Supplier. Don't. No. Bro, there's so. That's why I said that. I'm like, that's why I said there's that.

It's like, yeah. Way too many words that go with coke smuggling that's insane he literally was just like i smoked coke a lot right he had to do that there's no way he didn't yeah yeah for a laugh i don't know so i guess only if you know you know type of thing like if you don't know you wouldn't under that would sound totally normal yeah it's definitely wink and nod shit if you know you get a laugh so wow that's a wild thing there so 2013 the company and him in particular are involved in a controversy involving the show top gear oh really yeah um top gear admitted it broke strict bbc rules on

product placement by featuring items made by a company headed by a former cocaine smuggler. The logos of Corbeau seats and Luke harnesses are repeatedly shown in cars being driven by celebrities in the hit car show, despite a ban on such items being given undue prominence. Corbeau seats, which along

with Luke harnesses, is owned by CM consolidated, has highlighted its involvement with top gear on its Facebook and Twitter pages. The mirror reported mentions of the show mentions, a mention of the show was absent from their pages this morning. So the show's executive producer, Andy Willman said they broke the guidelines,

a brand name, slogan, trade name references, which must always be clearly editorially justified, it says. That's the rule. Because BBC is a public thing. And it's a big deal for their reputation. And what's the other word? What do journalists want? Integrity. Oh, yeah.

What do journalists want? Integrity. Oh, yeah. Oh, the integrity of the BBC is just to be owned by the people and not like a corporate interest, basically. Right. It matters. So, yeah. So they said the BBC is not permitted to accept free or reduced cost products in return for credits. Wow.

Also. So it's not just straight greasing. No swag. Yeah. No swag. Yeah. Wow. That's wild.

It's not just straight greasing. No swag. Yeah. No swag. Yeah. That's wild. That's wild. The Corbeau's products feature in the star in a reasonably priced car section of the show in which celebrities drive. What is that?

A Vauxhall? Vauxhall? What the fuck is that? Vauxhall? Around a racetrack. The products also feature in other segments. The Willman guy said, I put my hands up it's my mistake um yeah he said that the the car they had had those seats and harnesses in there so he's like

i didn't fucking put them in there for that he said that when he asked the company about them the vuxhall said they had received the seats and harnesses for free but he said it is his job to check the product placement rules. And he said, I will be putting it right. I am banged to rights. I'm going to pay Corbeau and take the logos away so they don't get them for free. We'll just pay for the seats. We've never given them prominence over the years because we have different manufacturers for star and reasonably priced car.

That slipped under the radar, he said. So, yeah, this is like this was 2013, too. He's still in charge over there. God, even though the only reason this came up was because it was connected to him. Yeah, that's it. Otherwise, they wouldn't even notice. Yeah. him yeah that's it otherwise they wouldn't even notice but yeah people were bitching and calling the fucking you know whatever they are their version of the fcc saying their fucking bbc is

showing this goddamn car of this fucking convicted coke smuggler like why are we showing this his show and why are we at seats everywhere yeah my tax dollars are advertising for some convicted fucking coke smuggler to this every time i see corbo i think of cocaine yeah coke cobo coke boo so he said he'll be putting it right uh blah blah blah he said now lee said he just wants to put it behind him and uh he said this is something i can never get away from but it's something for which i've been punished and which i would like to put behind me once and for all. Well, yeah, I bet you would. He said, but people just won't let me do that. Yeah.

We're not going to either. It's tough. And we're not either. We're going to make fun of you also. I mean, come on, man. What do you want from us? So January 25th, 2020. Okay.

He is still in charge, like we said, of this company. He is driving on the A11. No. Okay. He's driving a 2018 Mercedes. What model? Oh, C-Class. There we go.

He is clocked, and this is not kilometers per hour, by the way, miles per hour. He is clocked at 132 miles an hour wow he's which is fucking fast on a fucking public road that's crazy that's moving 132 jesus christ who do we have that was doing like a 150 something that time it was recently but that's too fast. But 1.32 is bonkers fast. I mean, I've gone fast, but that's on a public road? Yeah. I mean, he's a race car driver, but still, not anymore. Fuck, man.

That's not a race car. No, it's a fucking, yeah, just in his regular Mercedes C-Class here. Yeah, he appeared in court and faces the prospect of losing his driver's license over this because it's so over the limit. He pled guilty to speeding at an earlier hearing, and they talk about it. And he's trying to get out of losing his license. His lawyer, Rhys Rosser, which, again, R-H h y s is reese rosser's very british name he told the magistrates that his client would face quote exceptional hardship if he would ban from driving and say he drives 30 000 miles a year for his business what wow that's a lot of living in your car he must be going from i don't know going up why does what is

he chris farley and tommy boy like why does he have to go why does he have to go on a barnstorming tour to these places sell seats to save the factory what is happening oh gotta go to surrey to sell some seats this weekend like what are you talking about? What's happening? We don't move enough units. We're going to lose our jobs. Holy shit, man. Yeah, so he's driving all that. He said he's in a firm that is working with a large number of high-profile car manufacturers. Although he has a number of nondisclosure agreements that prevent them from being named, driving is an essential part of his life and business. He's involved in all car stuff, and he's known as a driver, so you kind of have to...

They're buying seats? Why does he need to sign an NDA to sell seats to people? Well, for who they're working with, who the hell knows, man. I hate NDAs. It's the stupidest shit ever. If you don't want to, unless it's obviously trade secrets you shouldn't be revealing anyway, but outside of that, if

you don't want your dumb shit revealed, don't do it. Sorry. I mean, I don't know what dumb shit revealed don't do it right sorry i mean i don't know what the fuck to tell you why are you so embarrassed yeah the only difference like if someone's like working in a celebrity's house to not talk about their kids or family or something whatever but like other than that these business ones it's like you got to get over yourselves people jesus christ so uh lee has been the director of the company here for a while. His lawyer added it was very much a one-off error, a silly and stupid error. He realizes he was in the wrong. You don't drive 132 miles an hour once.

That's not your only time speeding. As an error. I assure you that's not how that works. When he got to 100, he didn't think, I should probably back off. He hammered it further. Yeah, this is not a one-off thing this is that's how fast he drives and he got busted and he's like shit he drives like they always hear vince mcmahon drives that's what everybody says vince mcmahon people when they first start working for him and he'll be like drive with me and people are like oh i get to drive with the boss. That's going to be cool. And then they've white knuckled wherever the fuck they've gotten to because Vince drives everywhere as fast as you can possibly go. That's what he does.

Just 100 miles an hour. Yeah. Fast as you can go in that situation and gets tickets constantly all the time and just like, all right, there we go, pal. And he says people are saying he'll pull away from the cop and go a fucking hundred away from the cop that he just pulled away from. What are you doing? So that's kind of how he drives, I picture here. So the lawyer argued that a points penalty would prove a more effective form of punishment in the short term than a driving ban, as it would serve as a greater reminder for his client to abide by the speed limits.

Because if he's not driving, he can't remember to abide by speed limits. That's a weird way to put that, man. He said a points penalty would have a more positive effect as they remain on his license for three years. A disqualification is really a short-term reminder. So if you really want to punish him, don't take his license. So the judge said quote your driving was grossly in excess of the speed limit well over you sir may fuck off he is banned from

driving for 90 days okay three months of no driving yeah and he's fined 500 pounds in order to pay $50, a $50 victim surcharge and $100 in court costs. He didn't hurt anybody. There's no victim here. I guess this is just for like a fund. Throw that in the fund. Yeah. It's like, did somebody get scared by his, like, I don't know what he. If somebody's hurt in a traffic accident where somebody was speeding, we'll use his money.

Yeah. Anybody going over 100, we're going to throw a little little in the kitty so that's what he's currently doing he's currently on linkedin working for corbo doing his thing uh living his life man so uh there is that that is who has who has smuggled that much coke in their life and is and is out thriving as a director for a company like that's the thing you might be out but you're not a legitimate person that can do these. That's crazy. Like a legit managing partner that's fucking nuts. You can't do that.

Of a company that makes probably millions every year. Oh, God. They're a huge brand. They make way more than that. They're huge. And they're amazing seats. They are. They look really that. They're huge. They're amazing seats. They are.

They look really nice. They're beautiful. That said, we need to do an update here for everybody. That's why we picked a little shorter one because we need an update on Tammy Sitch because people, they've sent us so much sunny stuff. And so we've looked into it and we just want to give everybody an update on the update. That's how much of a fucking disaster she is. This is a quagmire it's a real mess um what ended up happening was she got into a car accident here uh in ormond beach florida right it was on uh us1 i sat driving southbound on us1 just north of granada boulevard so first

interstate in this country right that's number one yeah it goes up and down the east coast there so he's he does that she does that he does that yeah she does that she's driving um now that day too she was real kind of feeling herself that day we've talked about she's recently been busted for shit like this. Like DUI. She's definitely not supposed to be driving, okay? This is not one of the things she got busted for. This is something that happened after,

I think. So, anyway, she's driving on these roads. Now, that day, about 2.33 p.m. that day, she had posted a tweet saying, so she tweets this at 2.33. She's feeling herself this day.

Quote, well, assholes. That's how she starts out. That's two words first. Well, assholes. Well, assholes, since my name has been toward the top of the kill list for the last 20 years and I'm still fucking alive, shit, my autograph is worth more now, so once I do croak, you can sell it for a lot more money come out and see me at a signing what the fuck you have me in your death pool so get my

autograph and once i die it'll be worth more that's what she's essentially saying yeah come buy my autograph uh because it'll be you'll make money on it basically yeah it's a good investment that's her pitch well assholes well assholes uh what gets worse she's pretty belligerent on twitter so then uh later on at 8 28 p.m that night she's driving southbound on us1 just north of granada boulevard like we said when she crashes into a stopped vehicle yeah how you may say if because obviously she's not allowed to fucking drive she's she should be not allowed to ride in a car by now like you should seriously she should have to take buses places she wouldn't even she shouldn't be allowed on public transportation you know what you're

right we'll get you a skateboard that's what you can take a skateboard that way if someone hits you it's on you'll you'll fall over and they're fine you've got a uh where your energy uh takes you to is your halo around your house rollerblades rollerblades tammy by rollerblade only that's what you got to do so um this day she crashes in uh what she does is she crashes into a stopped vehicle oh god never good then that vehicle crashes into the car in front of it of course it sets off a domino effect the vehicle uh the driver of the vehicle hit by tammy is agenda is identified as julian lefrancis lassiter jr he's a 70 and change your old fucking man here um 70 and change your old man and uh he ends up uh what we'll talk about here he is transported to

halifax health medical center where he's pronounced dead oh god now uh she was driving a 2012 mercedes benz what what i mean it's older but still she shouldn't be driving whose car is that she should be driving a geo metro a 93 what the fuck she crashed into the rear of a 2013 kio sorento kia sorento which was what the mr lassiter was driving was a kia sorento which was stopped at a stoplight then the kia crashed into the rear of a yukon a 2011 gmc yukon so it's a fucking mess um Lasseter survived by a daughter and two grandchildren. Poor bastard. So the driver and passengers of the Yukon complained of neck, back, side, and head injuries as well.

They weren't taken to the hospital, though, so they couldn't have been all that injured here. Tammy was taken to the same hospital as the victim with unknown injuries. Tammy was taken to the same hospital as the victim with unknown injuries. Two witnesses told the police that she was driving at a, quote, high rate of speed before crashing into the Kia. And police also said they believe that Tammy was under the influence of alcohol at the time of the wreck as well. They said she had all indicators of being under the influence. There is still the blood toxicology test that has not come back yet. Still have not gone public yet. So we don't know exactly what it was.

But police, people around her when she got out, like everybody said she seemed like there was something wrong with her. Like she was fucked up. They said they're investigating the crash and the toxicology results could lead to criminal charges against her. Duh. So with that said, I want to play a clip. It's like a minute and a half clip of we have a really weird way of predicting the future. I don't know how we do it. It's never on purpose.

We don't sit and think about it. No. But we predicted the pandemic. Yeah. We did that in episode. What was it? Episode 60. I want to start 61 i think 61 61 or six yeah around there of uh small town murder when we we predicted the pandemic two years before it

happened uh pretty clearly i mean i've read masks and everything we really hit it hard this time we are going to play a clip of us this is from from the was like six weeks ago, the update episode that we did about Tammy and what we said about her, possibly what was going to happen with all the other shit that was going on in her life. Let's cut to that right now. Tammy on her after her most recent arrest on her Facebook page, she said, quote, I am OK. I am laying low for a bit, i'm okay don't believe the media please don't what are you talking about were you in a car behind the wheel yes or no if the answer is yes i don't fucking care what the details are you can't be driving do we have to break your fucking hands like a vegas casino in the 60s so you can't cheat anymore? Do we have to hammer your fucking hands

so you're bandaged up and you can't drive? I feel like that's what we need to do at this point. She's going to hurt somebody. That's next. Yeah, I don't know how she hasn't. She drives around shit-faced. I'm stunned she hasn't. Wrong way?

Jesus. There she goes. There she goes again. There she goes again. There she goes wrong way she goes again there she goes driving through that house she's in the living room she just had two kids she just hit someone's grandpa okay so someone's grandpa okay so there she goes she certainly has a way about her and there she goes she's going to for sure there's there's no other way that ends she hasn't learned her lesson and she's not going to because every time it's the same the same uh problem and the same thing and prison doesn't help

yeah nothing doesn't no this is she has a deep-seated problem that she needs to fix and it's the it's the need for booze and until she fixes that shit it's everything else is pointless because it's always going to come back to she's going to get drunk and then she's going to make bad decisions that's how it works with her. Yeah, see? We're singing, there she goes. You said she's going to kill children, and I said she ran over Grandpa. That's what happened.

And what did she do? She fucking killed Grandpa. What the fuck, Sonny? Don't make us legitimate. Don't make us right, Sonny. What the hell is wrong with you? Don't do that. I feel terrible for that, that she actually killed someone's grandma.

There she goes to jail now. God damn it. There she goes. There she goes to jail. She goes to jail. Again. Getting deloused. Where are these shiny handcuffs she's a fucking mess i hope this time she's in for a i mean she's going forever right there she's not getting out for more than in less than 20 years right i would imagine if she has more

if she has one speck of any substance in her fucking bloodstream she's gotta be going to jail after all of this i mean good god man you can't get a more repeat offender than this right now um we're waiting like i said for the toxicology results the estate of julian l lassiter yeah, said that they are going to sue her and her boyfriend, James F. Penty. I guess he was in the car too or what. But the suit alleges negligence on Tammy's part and says Penty is, quote,

vicariously liable for her actions for allowing her to use his vehicle. There you go. He wasn't even in the car, but it's his car. Oh, God. So unless she stole it from him yeah he's the asshole because he let her fucking use it you if you see tammy sitch walking with car keys fucking wrestle her to the ground that should be a law you can't assault people

unless tammy sitch is walking toward the driver's side of a car with keys in her hand then you can come up and tackle her and wrestle the keys out of her hand i think that should be legal right she wrestled so yeah i'm saving everyone like sorry you should be able to stone cold stunner jesus christ one for the many rock bottom bitch let's go oh my god so um that's going on here um the uh she has been active since the incident online and social media. Oh, she's out. She's not in jail. What the shit. Because they haven't charged her with anything yet for it.

So she's out. All she's been really doing mostly is promoting her OnlyFans page. Come watch me frig myself. Yeah, that's just great um i want to see the tits of a possible vehicular manslaughterer yeah here we go yeah those are some jail tits there all right so then she started tweeting on april 22nd 2002 so very 2022 very very recently obviously as this is coming out she um was asking about all this well let's just say what she says here she tweets out this by the way she is not verified which i find hilarious hilarious she was in 1990 was it seven i think she was the most downloaded

yeah person on america online which was the big platform and now i have a check mark and she doesn't that is funny she's in the wrestling hall of fame yeah her her at is wwe hof or sunny there you go what do you want to bet what do you want to bet she gets kicked out? If this goes through, she's convicted and she's sued for this. Vince has got to toss her, right? I mean, Snooker's in there. You know what I mean? I don't know.

Maybe we do it like, I don't like how baseball has the Hall of Fame. You have to be a perfect guy. It should be on the fucking merits. In football, they're like, Lawrence Taylor dominated. I don't care what he did. He's in the fucking Hall perfect guy. Yeah. It should be on the fucking merits in football. They're like Lawrence Taylor dominated. I don't care what he did. He's in the fucking Hall of Fame. Sorry. And I feel like wrestling and especially any wrestlers that worked any time pre like 15 years ago.

All of that's on the table. You know what I mean? Like, I'm sorry. You can't blame them for that. They're wrestlers. Like, what do you expect from these people? A lot of these guys are dead from overdoses, for Christ's sake. Yeah.

They're just happy they're alive. They don't give a shit if you hate them now. Right. So she tweets out, like I said, April 22nd, 2022, 6.08 p.m., quote, question for all. This is in all caps, the question for all. Why follow me and others just to write nasty comments and derogatory remarks? Is your life that fucking boring? Can't you think of something to do, like assemble Legos or dress like Star Wars characters?

Doesn't it show your insecurities? She's calling them nerds because they don't drink and crash into old people. because they don't drink and crash into old people. She's playing the horny nerd card because they don't have 14 fucking DUIs and are up for possible vehicular manslaughter charges in the future, allegedly. Boring lives. Doesn't it show your insecurities?

Doesn't it show your insecurities that you can't drive without being shit-faced? How about that? Are you insecure about your driving? Wow, man. What a fucking asshole. She's a jerk. without being shit-faced how about that are you insecure about your driving wow man what a fucking asshole so um so then somebody replies to her quote question for you how fast were you going when you slammed into that poor old guy stopped at a traffic light and killed him his life ended for what reason were you on your way to a fire or drunk or high

were you on your way to a fire is the best question on your way to a fire where's the fire i love where's the fire that's a fantastic fucking that's the whole cop line yeah where's the fire that's so funny so she responds hmm about 10 since I was slowing down to light. So she said she was slowing down at 10 miles an hour. She hit a man at 10 miles an hour and killed him? Which also shot his truck into another truck in front of him at 10. She said, but he had a heart attack, nothing to do with my seizure. This has now turned into a clue, a breadcrumb trail of clues now

so she's saying a medical emergency slammed into a medical emergency that's what killed him that's it or yeah she must be because otherwise she's saying what are the fucking odds she had a seizure while driving yeah that's what she's saying apparently. She wasn't fucked up. She just had a seizure. And was he having a heart attack before you hit him? Was he in there like, oh, God, oh, Jesus, now my neck hurts too. Oh, fuck, I got hit in the back. Or was he sitting there just whistling, looking at the light,

and then you plowed into him, he plowed into someone else, he got so uptight, oh, God, my chest, I i'm having chest pains and he fucking died because that happens too sure did you scare the shit out of him into a heart attack or was he having a heart attack beforehand because and if your actions caused him to have a heart attack that's because you're negligent you're negligent but like can her lawyers argue that he was like in the midst of a heart attack when she plowed into him already? And it was just a, it's like, you know, running over a dead body that's already on the ground. Like, is that what she's going to try to argue? Like, I didn't see it there.

It was a tarp over it. And I thought it was leaves. What an argument. Yard clippings. I'm not sure. But he had a heart attack, nothing to do with my seizure, which this is the first time a seizure has been mentioned at all, by the way, in any of this. That's the defense she's got. Is she privy to the death certificate and they filed it as a heart attack?

I don't know. I mean, she would know because it's a disclosure. He went to the hospital with injuries from the accident, perhaps, I mean, because technically Hector Camacho died of a heart attack, but he died of a heart attack because he fucking, and strokes because he was shot in the fucking face. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I mean. That's what happens here.

Is it the stress of being in an accident, taken to the hospital, and then something else that gave him the heart attack, or was he dead in the car waiting for the green light and then she just plowed into a dead body i don't know i i'm gonna say that probably the stress of everything probably gave him a heart attack probably did he have surgery because of his his uh injuries and then that gave him a heart attack you know i mean there could be a a host of reasons i think he was fine sitting at a red light until you hit him probably right seems like it he wasn't like calling 9-1-1 at the time saying he was needed having at a red light until you hit him. Seems like it. He wasn't like calling 911 at the time saying he was having a heart attack. But nothing to do with my seizure.

So that's a breadcrumb she's dropping. Fascinating. Seizure. Put it out there. The family is suing Sitch and her partner, like we said. They're seeking over $30,000. So they're not seeking like punitive damages. They're seeking medical costs and funeral costs and shit like that probably and probably car repairs I would

assume. So anyway also one more thing we want to go over because it's been it's the most shown to us thing ever in the history of crime and sports on the internet is Mike Tyson punching the shit out of this guy on the plane. Awesome. Great

stuff. Now you might say to yourself gentlemen. Yeah. W weren't you guys so against yeah will smith smacking chris rock but this is okay yes they're very different one is a man on a stage who was told to fucking be there right who's allowed to perform his art on the stage and someone got mad at it like a little fucking baby and ran up there and played scientologist that needed to slap somebody because that's what the fuck he is and that's why he did it. So he could go back to the Scientology meeting with his chin up high and fucking. That way when he sucks Miss Cabbage's dick next time, he can really,

the balls will bounce right off his chin. You know what I mean? So we're probably the other way around actually. Oh, by the way, allegedly, allegedly. Sorry, Scientology, allegedly. So this one is a man minding his own business trying to fly right which is not a fun experience don't fuck with people on planes i can't express this enough to you if you're a person who is on who anyway is like hey

get the fuck away from me and then you're on a plane which is an edgy situation and someone fucks with you you deserve the biggest beating you can get. And they should just roll you down the steps when they get there. Just open the fucking thing and roll you out. I feel terrible that Mike Tyson's flying fucking commercial. Yeah, well, yeah, he's not, like, flying private money. He's going around to do tours and shit. He doesn't have that kind of money.

You're probably right. Yeah, he's, you know. They do have those, like, those charter planes that are like a pool a pool of money but you can only use it so many times you know i mean you it's like a timeshare i've heard of that before yeah i've heard of that before that's weird you can't do that with mike tyson as much as he flies probably yeah so if you're a dildo and you've got a seat behind mike tyson just be like this plane's not going to go down because mike t's right there. Just be thankful. How about I'm pretty

sure that if anybody gets squirrely on this shit we're good. You know what I mean? I'm not going to be the one that gets squirrely. Dude with a box cutter I'll take Mike in a street fight over a guy with a box cutter any fucking day. We just put Mike up by the cockpit and have him be like let's go bitches come on.

And he just fucking punches them one at a time as they come at him. So you could do that. But this guy, I saw the thing. He's fucking with him. He's needling him. Yeah. He's needling him. He's fucking asking for an ass kicking him.

You know what? Public is not social media. No. That's the thing. You can call someone, oh, you're a fucking twat. You're a cunt. You do it. But in real life, you'd never say that shit to Mike Tyson unless your brain has been so media no that's the thing you can call someone oh you're fucking twice you're kind you do but in

real life you'd never say that shit to mike tyson unless your brain has been so rotted by fucking social media that you don't even realize that real life exists anymore you think it's all social media you thought you were typing those words to mike tyson and with castle doctrine shit man in an airplane your bubble has to be so big that that work away from where i can be threatened i should be my castle should be six rows deep if you do anything in those rows i'm beating the fuck out of you because this is an airplane you any any and i have this i have this absolute rule if i'm on a plane and somebody is disrupting anything yeah i take my heavy book bag and i wallop them in the

fucking head with it until someone pulls me off of them that's what i do i beat you to death if that's the fucking what it takes for you to stop making this dangerous because i'm scared of flying so when i'm up there you be chill let them do their fucking jobs and we're all gonna land you fuck this up i will i'm not gonna die you will we'll put it that way his face after was pretty fantastic oh it was it was some red marks on his face some deep deep deep contusions beneath the skin fucking idiot and it turns out he had he's a he's a jackass too he has like an extensive record and all this shit of course he is he's a fucking jackass he's an idiot this guy so deserved it got it call it deserved it got it i have no problem with that whatsoever hopefully you learned a lesson for the most part well we'll put it this

way in his history with mel with males anyway um if you don't fuck with him he doesn't fuck with you yeah if you fuck with him he will beat the shit out of you. Period. That's it. That's all. Ask Mitch Bloodgreen what his face looked like. So anyway, that is a Mike Tyson update. If you wanted to know how we feel about it, we love it.

I love Mike Tyson, and I thought it was a beautiful move. I wish I had a hook like he does because I'd do the same thing. Fuck, man. From that close proximity to him. Oh, God. That short little Joe Frazier hook serves him well in that proximity, I'll tell you what. Good stuff.

He can't get away from me here. Nope. And there's no room to even crank your body, so that guy's lucky. Tyson didn't even crank. He didn't even torque his hips. Nothing. He was just popping them with fucking arm strength. He torqued his hips. That's all popping him with fucking arm strength yeah he destroyed him so anyway can't get enough of this whole thing well you can buy some fancy

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Jimmy, hit me with that list. This week's executive producers are Lisa Coltrane. Happy birthday, by the way. Happy birthday. And she asks that people go to bethematch.com and see if they can be bone marrow donors. Yeah, that's a good idea. See what you can do to save some people's lives. Do it.

That's a nice idea. That really is. Other executive producers are Jennifer Justice Thompson. Happy birthday. Ben Blake is my personal hero. Heather Norton, Jordan Bennett, Amora Mayo Perez. She's looking for impressions, James. So you have to sing That's Amore, I'm told.

I don't know. Do you know anything about it? That's Amore. There it is. Of course I know. Do you know anything about it? That's Amore. There it is. Of course I am. I'm a fucking guinea. All right. I guess I know it.

It's D. Martin, for Christ's sake. Karen Hensel, Jordan, Jordan Bennett. Did I say? I did. Oh, there's also Jordan with no last name. And Adina Hill and Carlos Flores. Thank you guys so much for everything you do for us. It cannot be duplicated.

Other producers are also Jess Quinney Moon. Jess Quinney Moon. That's it. Happy birthday, Jess. Tiffany Gonzalez got her baby out of her. Hey, yank it out. Good job. In a hospital and everything.

Congrats, Tiff. Wow, nice work. Kieran White in the UK. Liz Vasquez. Peyton Meadows. Laura Boyka. Boyka Warisnyak, I think. James Marner. Judge Chamberlain Holler.

Who is that? That's Fred Gwynn and my cousin Vinny. That's right. Judge Chamberlain Holler. Right. Happy Hour in Washington, PA. Thomas Smith, Frank the South African Bird Washer, David Wienerstein, Catherine Collado, Robbie Buckmeyer. The two of us.

Did you say ute? What is a... What? Did you say ute? What is a ute? What is a ute? Sorry. I apologize. Robbie Buckmeyer's girlfriend, Elia, or Elia? I think Elia. Janice Hill, Carly Poe.

Thank you, Carly. That was sweet. Samantha Quigley, happy birthday. Andrew Wilmers, happy birthday. Happy birthday. Heather Beauchamp's son, Roger Thomas. I didn't know his name last time. I called him Thomas. I don't know. Happy birthday. Heather Beauchamp's son, Roger Thomas. I didn't know his name last time. I called him Thomas.

I don't know. Happy birthday, Roger. Happy birthday, Roger. Roger Thomas. Thanks, Heather. Valerie Landowski, Azalea Seldon, Gabby Smith, Jennifer Wengen, Jody Cook, Casey Mitchell, Allison with no last name, Madison Hadababy Eatsavoy. Jesus. Lucas with no last name. Madison Hadababy Eats-A-Boy. Jesus.

Lucas with no last name. Paul O'Brien. Chris Pierce. Maureen Ingold. Sarah Taylor. Jason Sarmiento. Daniel Lee. Rachel Byford.

Molly Campbell. Daniel Hanson. Nicholas Medina. Eduardo Sanchez. Margaret Dobner. Oh, Chenise. Chenise Blackshear. I want to name my daughter Penis and tell everybody it's pronounced

Penise. Penise. Penise. Penise Westman. Penise. That's my daughter Penise. Emily Nash, Beth Scott, Brian Burdick, Randall N. Halata. My daughter Vagina. Here she is. Beautiful.

Sorry. Jade Thompson, my daughter vagina sorry jade uh jade thompson ian elliott melody dorman erin and emily tom with no last name aileen heaton vicky with no last name tierney honeyborn uh trav with no last name quinn b christina wise yes uh brett shields sarah kirk finch, Clybourne, J41E, Enriquez. That may be an address. John Country Fried, Groundhog Williams, no last name. Trey with no last name. Anthony Walters, Jack Parrott, Tara Farner. Oh, boy.

Danny De La Cruz, Jeep Ford, Caitlin with no last name. Nick Scott, 123 Coletta. That might be an address also. Jeez. I can't tell. Amber Nicole, Mark Calabrese, Groundhogs for Breakfast, Sarah Digger or Digger Menci. I dug it too. Ari Nelson, R. Thorntonson, Bethany Ramsey, Carrie Ochoa, Bailey Rudolph, Michael Hardy, Whitney V.

Devin with no last name, Mike Koziel, Andrew Nicolene, Barrett Milam, Ashley Wyckoff, David Reynolds, Kyle Loney, Noah Thomas, Jonathan Parker, Dedrick Logan, Jennifer Olson, Ava Ai, Kristen Shockley, Kirsten Shockley, Jordan Elfer, Tanner Dick, Dyke, I don't know. I'm sorry, Tanner. That's a tough last name. Either way, it's no fun. No, either way, it's not a walk in the park for you, Tanner. That's the problem. them. Liz with no last name.

Christy Zrust. Lauren Ashmore. Brandon Crump. Cynthia Caruso. Nicole Weir. Lizzie Karignan. David with no last name. Tara Love. Christy Hall. Christy Hall. Beth Hines. Ben Cousins. Probably not. Dan with no last name. I hope

it is. Peter Green. Rob Dean. Logan Jackson. Jennifer Carter. Destiny Benjbo. Benbow, Arden Thorne, Five, or plural, Austin Stewart, Gabriella Treanor, Kylie Noonan, Tyler Shad, Rachel Reading, Kelly Newland, Jian Su, Ellie Godecki, Tara would know last name, Abby Houston, Jacobs, Evelyn Hampton, Darren Walt, David Beebe, Kali McGuire, Christy Aloysius, Riley Montblow, gay, black, Jewish, Nazi for Christ in Canada. That feels awful to say out loud. Sears, Spears, Tremaine with no last name. Andrea LaFond, Blair Osgood, Jamal Evans, Ashley Stevens, Sarah with no last name. What is this?

Brent Fox, I am legend, Dinah Donnie, Donnie Thomason, Shannon E. Z. with no last name. Isaac, Isaac Evita Torres, Patrick Lull, I think. Kayla Pretty. Michelle Miller. Nope, Michelle Hill. That's what that is. Oh, Jean? Jean? Jean? Jean Reiksteiner. Steiner. Reiksteiner? That feels terrible to say out loud.

Venter D. John. Italian. John. Yeah. Ella D. Yanni. Wow. Jay Cable. Aaron McCollum. Callie Davis. Wow. Jay Cable. Aaron McCollum. Callie Davis. Allie Fowler.

Bethany Cassidy. Jared with no last name. Katie Kovics. Cade, maybe. Michelle Tran. Gavin Fossman. John Martin. Cheyenne Edwards.

Elizabeth Hayden. Arturo Rodriguez. Jack Peek. Alice Vasovic. George Vaughn III. Brooklyn Spears, Thomas Oberhart, Angela Barron, Jeremy Edwards, Nell Mosker, what? Marshroka. Nope, Queen Anne and her monkey, and her cat monkey. I don't know if it's a cat named monkey or if she's got a cat monkey.

Cat monkey. Megan Richards, Kate M., Jenny Ellis, Veronica McCann, Shel Murdoch, Amber Richards, Celine A. Bray, Bob Rossman, David Bezifiat, what? Bezief? Jessica Briggs, Anna

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