Crime in Sports - #310 - Storm Clouds Gathering - The Abominableness of Chris "The Canadian Crippler" Benoit

Episode Date: July 5, 2022

This week, we explore the story of a man, who overcame his lack of looks, size & charisma to become one of the biggest wrestling stars, in the world, winning both WCW & WWE heavyweight titles. He had fame, money & a nice family, but there was something brewing inside of him that would lead to him committing the most horrid & depraved act imaginable, by wiping out his family, them himself, over the course of a strange macabre weekend. But why? Brain damage? Roid rage? He just snapped? We explore everything around this horrible tragedy, but are left with more questions than answers!Make it big, even though your whole industry doesn't want you, steal your boss' wife, then commit one of the most horrendous crimes, that could possibly occur with Chris "The Canadian Crippler" Benoit!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!  Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail]  Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Music Music Music Music Hello and welcome to Crime and Sports! Yay! Oh, yay indeed Jimmy, yay indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. Yay! Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host.

I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks so much for joining us today on another Wild Crazy. And this could be the craziest one we've ever done, case-wise. It's one that we've gone back and forth saying we were not going to do. And then we were like, oh, we'll do it as a bonus episode, or we'll do whatever. But you know what? Everyone on earth has done it, and that's why we've avoided it,

just because it's been done. I hate to say it, but it's been done to death, and we didn't want to. We like to find the guys last week that you never heard of that went in and beat up a high school girl in the gym for no reason. You're like, who the hell is that guy? So much more fun. Yeah, or a guy who's real famous, and you're like, that guy got arrested a whole bunch?

I didn't know that. Like, shit like that. Those are fun. And this one will be crazy, because we'll do it a little bit of a different angle than other people do it, obviously. But we're going to talk about Chris Benoit today. All right. Don't do a my kind of guy on this one because he's certainly

not your kind of guy or a monster really anybody's kind of guy after what he did really the most reprehensible he makes oj look like a role model at this point like it's it's at least that at least there you know he didn't pile on his fucking child on top of her you know what i'm saying yeah so not that he's that's what i'm saying obviously that was sarcastic oh jay killed his wife and not a role model but anyway we will get to that quickly at the top of the show here thank you for everything your reviews count by the way whichever app you're listening on give us five stars it does help out and say something nice if you can uh whatever the hell you want but it does help thank you for doing that it really really

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to mispronounce your name terribly while trying to get it correct now here we go that said let's get into this oh yeah pay uh paypal it's crimeandsports at gmail.com if you want to do that. You also get a shout-out. Shout-out. Also shout-out. So, anyway, let's get into this. Now, before I start this out, I would like to say something at the top of the show. Because Chris Benoit is one of those people that no matter what you say his name, people go, like, it's an automatic, you know, they wince away from it.

I do want to say this. They wince away from saying anything positive about anything he ever did in his entire life. You know what I mean? And on Crime and Sports. He flushed all of it? Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, WWE, as we'll talk about, said we'll never mention him again. They scrubbed him from everything that it's ever been on,

which is understandable. This is what I'm saying. So let me just do this here. We're going to talk about at some point in this, at certain points, what a great wrestler he is because he's fucking fantastic, and that might upset some people, and that's understandable. But hear us out. We're doing this not to honor him.

That's not how that goes. But when someone who has any cultural relevance does anything the impulse is that we all have is to throw everything they've ever done in the garbage with them you know what i'm saying because it the otherwise it glorifies the person but i i just it's one thing i really disagree with i don't agree with that you know what i mean i don't because whether it's Bill Cosby himself, the special, not just Bill Cosby, you know. It's genius. That, when I was a kid coming up, or, you know, 50 giant Michael Jackson fucking hits,

or whether you went to see Space Jam with your mom when you were a kid and then afterwards in the mall you bought I Believe I Can Fly and listened to it in the fucking car on the way home and all that shit. Or Mark Chimura catching touchdowns for the Packers. Or maybe you watched a pay-per-view down in your parents basement on some shit night where you snuck a couple of your dad's beers with your buddy and you saw chris benoit have a great match and you guys went oh shit and it's a memory you have those things they did music comedy not the crimes those things as soon as they did those things that we like right they didn't belong to that person anymore they're ours now you know what i'm saying they're ours our memories are attached to songs that we sang along with jokes that we laughed about repeat to our friends a big wrestling match

with your friend watching pizza those people themselves can get fucked but they can't take that doesn't take away what they did from from us you know what i mean it's not i'm just glad that uh uh epstein never made a great movie thank fuck that epstein didn't put out like a hot album there was like five bangers on that epstein album i'm not gonna lie i mean i hate the guy but jesus that thing you can't you it's bullshit proof that album man i'm sorry that's why they called it bullshit proof but r kelly wrote almost every r&b song in the 90s almost all yeah he wrote everything that's what i mean if you like if you don't want r kelly you just have to flush the 90s down the toilet r&b style that's what i mean so this what we're doing any time we're talking

about wrestling it's an indulgence of memories not an endorsement of people or actions you know what i'm saying so there you go you don't like it go fuck yourselves that's the that's the end of that tried to be eloquent and then if otherwise he ticks he can do great things and then uh ruin it all with uh with a terrible event but it doesn't very easily it doesn't make what he did less fucking uh impressive no uh there so that's what we'll talk about and uh he's born in edmonton montreal i'm sorry he's born in montreal yeah oh he's a canadian all the way he's his nickname's the canadian crippler yeah that would make sense i thought maybe he just crippled canadians only he hates canadians is the thing he says i will only fight canadians and when i do they're gonna end up in wheelchairs that's how i operate

no i have nothing against the japanese i have nothing against uh mexicans or none of that shit europeans of any kind uh very very good with black people, but God damn it. I'll tell you something. I'm tired of your loonies and not having it from these fucking Canucks. It's not going to work. So you can take your maple leaf and wipe your asses with it. Fuck you. So he was born in Montreal. His parents' names are Michael and Margaret Benoit. Um, so he's not a junior. That's he's a french canadian he's a friend well yeah but i don't think they're benoit i mean yeah but they're not like he's not like a french speaker or anything like that i think they think they've been there a couple generations if you know what i mean so yeah they ended up he grew up in edmonton anyway so that's the opposite that's

way out west oil fields i mean you know that's kind of rugged country out there that's a lot of a lot of that i've heard from comedians that have worked the comedy club in edmonton that they're just like it's just like oil field workers and shit i mean you gotta really tailor your act i mean you gotta go in there and be like take everything nuanced out and just be like fuck that pussy right and they'd fucking cheer and all right whatever whatever. Rough neck and on the nose. Yeah, rough neck and on the nose. Whatever, like, look up an old Tonight Show and take some Jay Leno jokes.

They'll go for him. If you throw, like, some fuck in there once in a while and put, like, and then I jizzed on her face, like, at the end of it. Like, you know, do, like, an old Clinton joke from the 90s that Leno did and then add on, then I jizzed on her face at the end of it and that'd be fine. Stagger. Throw some nuance and then on the nose. Nuance, on the nose, nuance. Bob and weave. Bob and weave.

That's what you got to do in comedy sometimes. Bob and weave. So he, anyway, grows up in Edmonton is where he lives there the most of the time. He's got a sister as well. So it's him and his sister and his parents and they're in Edmonton is where he lives there the most of the time. He's got a sister as well. So it's him and his sister and his parents and their grannies in Edmonton. He liked wrestling. In Western Canada, that is where Stu Hart, Brett Hart's, Brett and Owen Hart's father had his territory. So if you grew up in Edmonton, you saw Stampede Wrestling.

I mean, that was the thing that came from there other than the Oilers. So you had that so he at 11 he started going saw live shows went to one live which is a you know that can be formative if you're a kid and you see something that you want to do in front of you that might and wrestling specifically because i mean i liked wrestling as a kid and i've watched it and i've enjoyed it uh yeah but then seeing that, was it TNA? No, it wasn't. It was just independent shit that came through town with Royce. And seeing that, I was-

Yeah, NWA, he was doing it. That's what it was. Recently. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Royce is great, by the way. He's a great wrestler. It is the most shocking thing to be able to, you know everybody's uh bullshit with it's it's fake

i don't care i don't care oh it's still i don't care if you if me or you went in there you know just without getting taken 10 million bumps first and took one move we'd be in the fucking hospital number one because you don't know how to take it you don't know how to take it and not get hurt and then number two even if we took it perfectly, it would still fucking hurt us. It hurts to get body slammed. The reason why these guys can do it and not be bruised and get up is because they do it a thousand times first. And then you're calloused to it. I mean, that's the way they do it.

And seeing it live is magical. I can't say it any other way. It's fucking magical. I grew up in the Northeast, obviously, went and watched WWF, and that was one thing. I loved wrestling and was a huge fan, but the first fucking time I went and saw it at the Mid-Hudson Civic Center and you could see the guys, I went, holy shit, I'll never be that big.

Like, these guys, I'll never be that. These guys are humongous. They're all 6'8". They're all 200. Fuck, that's what they looked like when I was nine, know it was like wow these guys are huge and the emotion they're baiting out of you i i assure you you'll give it whether it's them to be hated or them to be the hero whatever whatever emotion they they are set to bait out of you they'll get it it's it's i was furious i hated a man absolutely so much So much. For no reason.

You don't know. I don't know. That means he's very good at his job. Hated him. That means he's great. He knows he's great at his job. Knows exactly what he's fucking doing. That's good shit.

So, yeah, he started showing up as a kid. And this is how a lot of kids get started in wrestling back in the day. Not now. Nowadays, it's a completely different thing. But back in the day with these territories, little kids would show up and they go well can i do something and they go yeah go set up a hundred fucking chairs that's what we need you to do and they give the kid five bucks or something but the kids back he's in the in the group now he's backstage now and he's he's around people i mean jim cornett took pictures everybody this one set

up chairs that setting up chairs is the the one that they all do in the beginning because that's something that you don't need to be you don't need to have skill to do it set up those see that line fucking chairs and a line like that it's there's tape on the floor out of the top it's super easy boom boom boom it's just a physical labor job they can give them a few bucks and the kids are happy to do it so it's one of those things. That's how they get in the business, and that's what he did with Stampede at Kinsman Fieldhouse in Edmonton. He would do that, and it sounds glorious and glamorous, doesn't it? Sounds like it smells like beer.

Oh, it definitely smells like beer. It smells like beer and crude oil somehow. I don't know how. You know that smell after our shows when they're pushing beer cans with a push broom? Yeah, when they've cleared the chair. We have two. We have three. But once in a while, we do a comedy club, and that's a different thing.

But that has its own smell. But theater-wise, we either do set theaters with seats that have been there for 100 years, and it's that. Or it's like a rock club that normally doesn't do chairs the one and they brought chairs in and then five minutes after we're done doing our show the chairs are all gone and there's just this wide open floor of beer puddles essentially that's being pushed the puddle dries as they push that they just with the broom take a push broom and they're just like even it out yeah nobody knows the trouble i've seen that stick sound when you walk over it is so gross my sorrow you're pushing the broom behind it that's what it feels like i can smell your sorrow sir that is musty it's sad It's sad. It's a sad smell.

It really is. You won't have to smell it if you come to a live show. That's only after they clear the chairs. It's when the show's done. That's when the smell comes up. Yeah, you'll be gone. Once they push that push broom in, it stirs up the hornet's nest. It angers the hive a little bit, and then it just stinks it up.

It rehydrates the old beer from the last shot. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The stuff that was there to begin with. It's gross. So, anyway, Chris does this. It must smell worse here, I assume, because they probably have, like, stockyard exhibits and shit on the off nights when it's not wrestling. So when he's 13, he gets to meet – he's 13 it's 1980 he gets to meet the dynamite kid

now we've talked about dynamite kid a few times but dynamite kid is chris's idol and dynamite kid is a lot of people's idol he is he's known as the an innovator of a style that high impact top rope yeah that snap suplex that Benoit does where he gets a guy and does it real fast. That's Dynamite Kid tribute. That's him. He did that. Ray Mysterio shit. Well, that's more Lucha shit.

This is more high impact stuff. The Lucha shit's bad, but that's just a different style. This is like Japanese style from back then up a notch. The chops are fucking hard. Everything's hard hitting. He diving headbutt from the top rope. That was Dynamite's move was the swan. He'd dive off the top rope with the fucking headbutt.

That was Benoit's move as well, the swan dive off the top rope. Benoit completely modeled himself after Dynamite. Because Dynamite is tiny. That's the thing about Dynamite. Benoit. Rey himself after Dynamite Kid because Dynamite is tiny. That's the thing about Dynamite. Benoit. Rey Mysterio size. Rey Mysterio size, but he just put on a shitload. He jacked himself up with 75 pounds of steroids.

He's a tiny. Dynamite was a tiny, tiny little guy that put a shitload of weight on with steroids and then has great athleticism and balls of fucking steel. And he did shit that no one else was doing back then. And he had these great matches. And Chris was doing the same thing. He idolized Dynamite. It's that sacrifice your body style.

But Dynamite was in a wheelchair by the time he was 37. So maybe that's not the guy to idolize. Literally. His career was, by 30, his career was done and he was doing independent shows. And he was one of the biggest stars in the world from 20 to 30. And then it just all fell apart. And then by 37, he was on the dole in England in a wheelchair. Literally, that's what he was doing.

I mean, he's not good life like that. Just steroids and beating the shit out of your body without any regard for it. Yeah, he's British, yeah. But he is Davey Boy Smith's cousin. Davey Boy Smith is married to Bret Hart's sister. Oh. Chris Benoit trains with, he's going to end up training here. So this is all a big, Canada is a, the Canadian wrestling fraternity is very tight knit.

Anybody from Canada there. It's like that in every every industry, actually, because I knew a Canadian actor and he knew every Canadian actor in the face of the earth. If you saw that way. Yeah. They all know each other. Yeah. This guy, we'd be like be watching a movie. I'd be like, oh, this guy's pretty good.

And he'd be like, oh, yeah, I know him. Like what? And he'd be like, oh, he's from fucking Calgary. Yeah's pretty good and he'd be like oh yeah i know him we're like what and he'd be like oh he's from fucking calgary yeah i know him he's from calgary yeah we met at the whatever i'm like how the fuck do you know every canadian you guys are not from calgary yeah and he wasn't that was the thing he'd be like oh yeah no we met at a thing in canada some actors okay sure so 13 years old he knew he loved dynamite he wanted to be dynamite. All about dynamite. He's tiny too. Benoit is your size, but skinny.

Is that right? Yeah. Benoit, he says 5'8", but you say 5'8", too. And I don't believe either one of you. I'll be fucking honest with you. My ID says 5'9". Yeah. Your ID can say 6'3".

It doesn't matter. James, I've never written 5-9 in my life. That's hilarious. I love how they did that to you. We've talked about that before. It always cracks me up when you say that. You're like, I never told them this. They're trying to help me out here.

They're just stretching me, trying to help me impress women. Hey, look. No, I swear I'm 5-9. But when Chris wants to become a wrestler we're 13 like he's gonna try to get in in like the late 80s this is the land of the giants time everybody's huge you got to be six five fucking 280 pounds either that or you know the two biggest one of them's name is the giant and the other one isn't much shorter his name is hulk no one's gonna look at chris benoit and go oh hulk you know what i mean he's tiny he's a tiny little

man yeah without the steroids and he jacks himself up full of steroids though yeah he'll be up over 225 at a lot of points in his career and he looks five well yeah and he looks everything on him is just poof his thighs are fucking thick and he's just fucking jacked, and he's very stiff walking and everything, but very agile, too, an amazing worker. Like, he really is a terrific. Chris Benoit, you cannot say a negative word about his wrestling, really. Although, here's one thing about Chris.

You look at him, and you go you go okay tiny guy yeah skinny without the steroids not a handsome man no you've seen him not an attractive man not a handsome man terrible talker i mean people say like brett hart wasn't a good talker guys like that chris can't get a fucking point across like talking he is an awful awful fucking promo i mean when he just says like three words and then makes the cut in his throat motion that that was that's all he needed to do because anything more than that you're like does he have shit in his mouth what is he doing he talks like this and he's very like you know he's hard to understand and he's grumbly and he has you can tell he's uncomfortable you You know what I mean?

Like, Ric Flair looks like he could be like, whoa, I'm going to beat this guy over at this arena, and oh, should you see the Pittsburgh Pirates game last night? Oh, that eighth, ninth inning was great. Anyway, back to this guy. Like, he can just, you know what I mean? Like, Benoit is not like that. Over in his head, he's going this, this, this, and this.

That's what I'm saying. And then he gets out there uncomfortably, stiffly, says itly and then walks away that's his whole deal that's the reason they gave razor ramon a.o to say because there's no reason to listen to any more from that guy well no scott hall can talk his ass off though he was great at that you think that guy could talk oh that he's known as one of the fucking word that guy's saying oh when he's doing that accent for razor ramon yeah yeah he's because he's doing a scarface accent that was what he was a scarface no like later on in wcw like he's a he's a he's a very clever promo he's pretty good actually he's a real good wise ass he's uh he's good he is a good promo him and nash could both talk some shit it was pretty nice and chris can't do that

he's incapable he's incapable of it like later on he'll be in wcw and they'll put him in the four horsemen and it's like good because if he's in a group he can just stand behind rick flair and look tough and let rick flair talk the shit because and then do a yeah throat slash that's it you'd be like the arn anderson kind of guy and then everybody else you'll talk because you're not good at it he's really not he's terrible so you look at all that and you go not going to be champion of the world this guy you know if anything maybe a jobber or somebody that never talks never gets interviewed and is too tiny to look like a threat very little marketable uh yeah anything about him not a lot and somehow from that he became through sheer will and honestly that's one thing you have to say about the guy. Through sheer will and intensity and want to succeed, he fucking became champion in both of the major wrestling organizations somehow.

So that's one thing you have to say. His story, right up until a certain day, his story is like you would tell that to a kid. Maybe not do this in wrestling because look at his health problems, but whatever you want to do, if you work that hard at it, you're going to have a better shot at it than if you don't. You know what I mean? Like that guy should not be where he is and he's there because he wanted it that bad.

Is it because it's easy to root for a guy that has nothing? You know what I mean? I mean, obviously he's a good wrestler, but on top of that, you know what I mean? Because his face is he's a good wrestler uh but in the ring you know what i mean because he's yeah his face is awful he's got so much face in the ring though when you're watching him he's so intense everything he does is 100 it's hard it's fast he looks he looks like he's going after it so it's any small so it's very hard not to root for a guy like that right this underdog he's the guy who'll run into the wall

and baseball to catch the ball you know what i mean he's that guy like and you always root for that guy you just do because he's giving it all up for you you know like that's your fan favorite that's the way you're looking at it this guy's working his ass off in there for me so i mean he wins over the ecw fans later and that's not fucking easy to do and he does it so um anyway he uh and easy to do and he does it so um anyway he uh to tell you his intensity at one point later on and this was in the uh the dark side of the ring special from chris ben why he was talking or not from chris ben well from chris jericho talking about it he talked about one time in japan they had a match and chris blew a spot a little bit yeah not even that much to where the audience really probably noticed but

just like fuck something up slightly and he said after the match he goes in the back and chris is doing these squats and he's like we just did a long match like what the fuck are you doing squats for i'm like bro what are you doing and he said i fucked up that move i disgraced myself and i need to do 500 squats to make up for it so Was it a squats, whatever muscles require your squats? No. Was that what fucked up? He just fucked up a kick and made it look not as good as it should have. All right.

I'm going to punish myself. It's just to punish myself, but that's how intense he is, and that's how you have to be if you're going to be a guy with nothing that should work and make it work. You have to take every advantage there is. You're a sergeant. Train yourself when you make mistakes. That's all you can do.

So anyway, he goes on. He ends up training with Stampede, which is the dungeon. So Chris is a graduate of the dungeon so chris is a a graduate of the dungeon he's had his fucking been stretched every which way by stew heart and you know eating food with cat shit in it yep cat shit food he's eating it all cat shit fucking sandwiches he's cat shit omelets he's had it all so he uh i want all the cat shit parmesan please thank you no you. No, the hero. The hero, yeah. No, the whole sandwich. Not just a pile of it. Extra litter if you don't mind.

Please. I like it crunchy. It's kind of like Bobby Flay puts panko fucking things, breadcrumbs on everything. It's a little crunchy. It adds some flavor. Put some tiny step. Yeah, some tiny step. If you don't have any panko in the house, you put some tiny step on there.

Put a little fresh step in there and no one will know the difference. On your mac and cheese, I hear. It's wonderful. We don't need breadcrumbs on mac and cheese, by the way. Stop doing that. No. Just bake it longer. Yeah.

Make it crunchy. That's what I mean. Bake the top, make it crunchy. That's what we need. Have a cheese combination that can withstand that level of baking and still be moist, and then you got something. That's where you're at, yeah. Fuck you. Bet you never thought you'd get a mac and cheese fucking rant here.

Don't get rotten by mac and cheese. No. Dead kids and mac and cheese is what you call this episode. He's going, and this is rough. He's going, and this is rough. Edmonton, the Calgary territory is where it was based out of, is known as the hardest and most dangerous territory to do the road. These are long trips. These Canadian towns in Western Canada are not close to each other. So far between, yeah.

Long car rides in vans, and it's Canada. So Western Canada, six months out of the year, more than that, everything's frozen. It's snowing. The weather's terrible. There's fucking moose and than that, everything's frozen. It's snowing. The weather's terrible. There's fucking moose and elk walking around across the road. It's mountains, right? Out here, I don't think. It might be some hills.

The Rockies stretch up there, right? What is that, Cascades? I don't know what the fuck is in Edmonton, and I'm not going to try to guess. I don't know. There's got to be mountains there. Sure. I think there's a lot of mountains. It's beautiful.

I mean, it's just like the U.S. It's like Aspen, basically. Yeah. Anything west of a lot of mountains. It's beautiful. It's like the- I mean, it's just like the US. It's like Aspen, basically. Yeah. Anything west of Colorado is just mountains. It's all mountains. It's all mountains, goddamn it. What about Alaska? Because that has mountains.

Don't that stretch up? Weren't they originally part of that when everything was crunched together? I'm not going to talk about this, damn it. No, we're not getting sidetracked with mountain talk. We've had river talk before because I'm so tempted. You know me. We'll sit here and talk about geography for a half hour. No one wants to hear that bullshit.

Celeste of Wyoming, I think. God damn it. No. So he, this is, but I mean, that's what they're doing. They're driving in these vans. It's tough. Unforgiving guys. Yeah. So many guys have died in car accidents up there in the winter

it's fucking rough had car terrible car accidents and everything but um he didn't care though he was a wrestler and he was totally into it um everybody said he was like just mini dynamite kid or not even mini but dynamite junior he just wrestled exactly like him he's like a little clone of him diving off the top rope snap su suplexes, the whole shit. So he ended up moving to Japan for a year in 1987. Oh. And Dynamite Kid was a giant star in Japan. So this is kind of one of those things like in Japan, they don't care how big you are.

Yeah. None of that shit matters there. It matters for heels sometimes because they love to boo a giant American or did back in the day. You know, that sort of the Hulk Hogan was a heel in japan in the 80s when he was a you know the biggest baby face in the world in the united states so anyway he's um uh benoît though they appreciate style they appreciate work rate they appreciate intensity over there so and they appreciate they everything has to look really real which is what chris benoit is really good at making everything look really real so that's one of those deals so

japan fits him he moved but he goes over and does the whole dojo thing what is that these japanese wrestlers it's like a torture system they have where you come in there you're the low man on the totem pole they teach you to do all this shit but you have to like you're assigned to somebody like do their laundry and all that kind of shit you have to like you have to like oh it's it's just outright open hazing that you absolutely have to be okay with and it's it's part of it they beat you they do terrible shit to you it's guys have died over there and those i believe it fucking rituals so it's a lot man it's a lot so and also he's a foreigner so they're not any nicer to him than they're not as nice to him as they are to anybody else you know what i mean like he gets it as bad as anybody so it's pretty bad

for him over there but he ends up getting booked in new japan which is a big deal he's the pegasus kid under there over there they put him under a mask. That's why. So I don't know if they're born. I don't know. I guess they want him. Who knows what that is in Japanese, though? That's the other thing. It's a good point.

It could be a cat. It could be. Yeah, it could be Hello Kitty. We don't have any fucking idea. But I don't know if they were trying to make him Japanese, because if he's under a mask, who knows what he is type of thing. I don't know. He has blue eyes though, so that's kind of a giveaway. Is it?

You know a lot of Japanese people with blue eyes? Maybe. I don't know a lot of Japanese people. True. That is true. I don't know a ton of Japanese people. Maybe a lot of them have blue eyes. A lot of Japanese people with blue eyes. Yeah, thinking about it, I'm like, I don't know how many Japanese people i know that might be i could be completely off here yeah so the wait is over

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He does some time wrestles in Germany a little bit while he's also wrestling in WCW in the late 80s after Ted Turner bought it. He meets his first wife. He has a first wife in Germany, in Bremen, Germany, in 1991. He marries this woman. Is she an American woman or a German lady? I think she's a German lady. Her name's Martina, which sounds German as well. And she ends up coming back over here with him.

They'll have two kids david and megan from this relationship and uh later on they they live in canada he's living in canada at this point and they the kids and the wife seem to stay in canada as chris goes other places got it seems the way how that works so um he develops his his move, which is the crippler crossface. That's the name of it is he's the Canadian crippler. Um, so here's how he describes it. Quote, basically, this is a submission move where I'll ride the guy down by his arm. That sounds bad and wrap my hands and lock my hands around his face as I pull back as hard as I can on his head.

It's really, it's a really devastating submission move when applied correctly, but you get a lot of these kids in the backyard that watch us doing it and have no training and no experience and do not have any idea of how to apply the hold. Yeah. It's one of those holds that you definitely are going to put on your friend. Yeah. Isn't the camel clutch kind of similar?

Camel clutch is like, yeah, it's similar, but you're like camel clutch is straddling the guy's back. You know what i mean that looks like you're going to come up and fuck him but then you move up a little higher to the back sit down on the small of the back pull up on the chin this is this is you're you're on the ground next to him next to him oh pulling on his face while your body weight is on like his body like his shoulder unlike his yeah on his back while you're like basically trying to pop his head off got it so this is a move if one of your friends is just laying there watching tv and you're all hanging out you're gonna come up behind him and immediately apply it and cause an injury

that'll still feel when he's 53 years old yeah he'll be trying to play with his grandkids he'll be like god damn fucking timmy fucking watkins when i was 12 i'll god damn it i'd like to kick him in the balls under the sink fixing the fucking disposal and you get a stinger and can't feel your arm for a week fuck i wish he wouldn't have died of prostate cancer five years ago because i'd love to go over kick his ass yeah right in the population exploder you know it man right there pow so uh chris jericho describing his personality because chris jericho is pretty close to him another fellow canadian so um chris jericho described benoit such uh thusly quote almost a tale of two cities a tale of two people there is the chris

benoit that had these horrendous acts of extreme psychopathic lunacy in the last couple of days of his life. And then there's the Chris Benoit that I myself traveled with, lived with and said, I love you too. On many occasions, he was my mentor. He's one of my best friends and he's a brother to me in so many ways. And the 15 years I knew him and the two days he decided to do these horrible, horrible it's kind of a it's kind of hard to discern the two and that's uh that's why we have to figure out what would cause such a mild-mannered polite influential tremendous person and performer to do such things he he called saying he never saw it ever until nobody did nobody did no when i say nobody nobody everybody was like, not him?

No, that's the last person ever. You know what I mean? Fascinating. It's very strange, and that's why we'll get into possible causes. Obviously, we're not doctors, so it would be difficult, but there's a lot of evidence here. So he, Jericho, also called Benoit a very quiet man, but not a recluse and not a hermit, just quiet. He minded his own business, but he was always around. If there was a joke, he

would laugh. And all the years I was with him, I never once saw anything. If there was a fight, if I went nuts and wanted to beat somebody up, he was the guy who would contain me. And a lot of people can tell you that. He's got no... Benoit doesn't have a big... no temper. He's not considered one of those guys. He's not one of those guys that gets

angry. Even killed, usually. Even killed guy. That's how... he's all business. Everybody temper he's not considered one of those guys he's not one of those guys that gets angry healed usually even killed guy that's how he's all business everybody says he's all fucking business he's polite and fine to everybody else the people he's close to he's open with and fine with but he's not close to a ton of people he keeps a tight circle yeah which is fine and that's how a lot of wrestlers who came up in the business back in the day were you know what i mean they i don't know if he's just doesn't he's might a lot of wrestlers who came up in the business back in the day were. You know what I mean? I don't know if he just doesn't. He might be one of these people, too, at the time that doesn't have the energy to be phony with people and be like overly. Like, if I like you, I really like you and we'll talk.

But if I don't like, if I don't really know you that well or we're not real tight, I'll talk to you for two minutes and that's that. Yeah, and I don't have time to form a new friendship. I got to get back to kicking my own ass for fucking up that leg lock that's the thing i gotta have more squats to do more squat and on top of that you you leave your friends all the time in wrestling too so it's hard so um anyway uh dave melzer who is the wrestling observer author and we've talked about him a lot kind of the he writes the quote unquote dirt sheet of wrestling that he has all the inside info. And he's usually pretty correct on like rumor type shit and stuff like that. So he says that he had an Internet radio show in 1999 and Benoit was his first guest on the air. And he said Chris was uncomfortable and distant, but he was very nice and a good listener to those he knew.

I think he was someone who was always thinking and a very private person. He definitely needed to be by himself and didn't like being social at times. He internalized a lot. He was definitely not a dumb jock type. So everybody kind of says that about him. He didn't come up in team sports or anything like that. He put chairs out when he was 11 and he's been in wrestling ever since. So it's a different type of thing it's almost like a like a carny or a comedian or some like vaudeville actor back in the day going from town to town and also

introspective is that what he's saying he's like he's a thinker i don't think he's a thinker but he's not he's just not one of those guys who's just like this big gregarious locker room guy like hey what's up guys let's pound some beers and you know he's just that's not his type he's not he's just not one of those guys who's just like this big gregarious locker room guy like hey what's up guys let's pound some beers and you know he's just that's not his type he's not that kind of guy he's quiet um which a lot of times quiet people even if they're not thinkers give you the impression that they're thinkers and they're like pondering and that's why they're quiet when they might just be they might just be thinking thinking does they fucking stare i'm wondering shit like how they get that chandelier up there yeah that's what i mean that might be the thought process and you're like god this guy really looks like he's boy is he thoughtful deep think i wonder

if he's gonna is he gonna solve the middle east i think i think he's gonna bring them to the table finally i really do i think it's gonna happen thinking them to the table finally. I really do. I think it's going to happen. I'm thinking things like, how do they change the bulbs in that? Oh, wow. Both countries are now going to have the same flag with the two countries' flags sewn together. That's amazing. Who would have thought? That's where I'm at. Wow.

You solved it. I'm also thinking things like, how do they just know how to do this? How does everybody just know? How do lights work? How do lights work? That's weird. I've actually thought, I've actually sat on these chairs sometimes when we're at shows, and I've thought, there's this factory somewhere.

If you wanted to make this chair, you go, all right, I'm wanted to make this chair you go all right and make this chair but you have to think about it you have to make machines that can specifically fucking make the metal into that chair like imagine doing that you have to figure out how that works can formulate all of that i want the chair to be like this they have to make the mission that sounds so complicated i'm never making a chair yeah see that's why we're not smart so yeah that's been my whole life i i often wonder how the fuck do people get into college how do you do that how do you i where do you go yeah i don't know that's i've told you that before i remember tons of times i'm like i don't even know where the applications were i didn't know where i thought about college then i thought

literally i went oh i don't know where those applications are and i just stopped i didn't know where i thought about college then i thought literally i went oh i don't know where those applications are and i just stopped i didn't ask anybody where the applications were i just said i don't know how you do that and then i didn't do it but is even if there is an is it is it a separate application for each place or do you just like send it off to like the draft guy and i just like pick three word three letters for you jimmy g-e-d that's i need like do i need a like a big medallion and gold and diamonds in my chest i don't know shit about this i've done so many things in my life where i'm just like i don't know how everybody knew to do that how did you guys do it i don't know i don't know people used to get places i can't even figure that out so yeah with like a giant map like how do you even like

to sprawl it out how do you know where you are yeah you think texting and driving is dangerous try looking at a fucking map that's six foot by six foot that's on your lap in the car getting in front of you on the windshield so yeah i don't get it people do things i don't know how people do things. I don't know how anybody does anything, to be honest with you. That's where I'm at. I don't know anything. My eyes are swirling. That's when I need help. Don't think what I'm thinking.

I need help. He's lost. That's how he is, I guess. We don't know whether he's introspective or if he's just kind of, we have no idea. He's one of those guys. In WCW, he becomes a very big fan favorite. He's a guy that the office never wanted to push this guy. The office never said, man, this guy's going to be a star.

We're going to do something with him. Everything they did with him was grudgingly because he is not what they want. with him was grudgingly because he is not what they want no you the way wcw would work in a way a lot of these companies would work is the way management would think is and i'm not talking all the wrestling guys but kind of the way it was structured was let's say you were a star somewhere else and we signed you from wwf and we gave you 750 year. Okay. And the fans aren't doing shit for you. They don't care about you. There's no big reaction. Now you fight Chris Benoit.

Chris Benoit makes $120,000 a year. Right. He's not beating you. Right. Because they have all this money in you, so you're going to be a star. If he beats you, now you're garbage, and now they're paying you $750,000 a year to be garbage. For nothing, right. For nothing.

So the way that works is now Chris Benoit always gets beat by that guy even if he's a lot better than him. That's how wrestling works. So, you know, that's why it's hard to move up unless somebody pegs you as a star. It's really hard to trudge your way through that, you know what I mean, and come up on something. Yeah. trudge your way through that you know what i mean and come up on something so that's yeah so you can't like it's it's different from every other thing because you can't succeed in the ring and then therefore be paid because you have to do whatever they tell you to do exactly if you're a running back they put you in and you run for fucking 180 yards a game they go it's gonna get

paid those are statistics you're getting paid if they don't pay you'll go somewhere else but these guys this is like stand-up comedy that's why i always say it's the same. You have a booker somewhere who's deciding what the people will like rather than letting the people tell you what they like. Yeah. That's what they're doing. It's the same exact thing. Not just what they'll like, but how much of it. Yeah. And people know Dick.

Yeah. How many times have you seen the host kill the feature mediocre? That's what I'm saying. You know what I mean? Or, yeah, the feature destroy better than the headliner. That's what happens. It doesn't matter. None of't matter none of it matters which is why we do podcasts yeah because we were at that point where we were like i'm not opening for someone i'm funnier than fuck you i'm not doing this i'm not gonna make fifty dollars while that guy makes a thousand dollars and i'm better than him and the audience wants to talk to me afterwards. Tells me afterwards, yeah. Fuck you.

And so anyway, that's what it is. So that's what it's saying. Somebody with credits, the opener's never going to beat them. Right. Even if the audience wants them to. That's what I'm saying. They're not going to flip-flop you in the headliner because he was on a sitcom in 2008.

So he gets to be the headliner, period. Anyway, that's how it works in wrestling and that's how he is. And you should never trust a booker type like that ever by the way if you're a comic out there if you're anybody else if you're not funny you're not funny but if you're crushing and all the other comics know you're funny and there's some booker that doesn't like you fuck that person make them eat shit later on make them make them watch you in front of a sold-out crowd and have them go, well, Jesus, I'm a moron because we got to do that.

And it was fantastic. It was one of the most glorious things ever to have that happen. So it's good. I mean, never mind. They told fucking, they told Louis Prima he couldn't be in the band playing trumpet. And he turned, you know who Louis Prima is? No, but I'm already impressed. Go on.

Tell an Italian guy you don't know who Louis Prima is. It's like telling italian guy you don't know who louis prima is like it's like telling a mexican chick you don't know who selena is it's the same thing it's exactly you know selena i know you live in arizona you know selena yeah that's just i know a lot of mexican culture way more than i ever assumed i would ever know. It's fascinating. Louis Prima quickly was a, he wrote songs that you know, put it that way. You know the song fucking jump and jive and then you went out of the swing song that was the biggest song in the world in the 80s

or the 90s. Well, he wrote that in like 1944. Oh no. That's his song. Well, no, it's, I mean, that was his song. You know the song, the... It's in every old clip of an old movie. I think it's in The Mask.

Yeah, it's called Sing, Sing, Sing. That's his song. He wrote that in 1936. He's this big star, and he was playing trumpet in New Orleans, and some band leader said, some band leader said yeah some band leader said i don't like the way you play and kicked him out and fired him and then he became like a giant star for 50 years exactly so that's what i'm saying see that can happen so anyway that was

that's what was going on in wcw he's a preliminary guy first first couple matches. The fans love his match. Once Nitro starts up, I mean, he was part of the group, him, Dean Malenko, Eddie Guerrero, all these guys. We'll get to that because we're going to talk about ECW first. But he was one of the guys that, like, they would give them significant matches that would last through a commercial break in the beginning of the show to fill time. They would have 15-minute matches on television, you know and that were like balls out crazy matches that were really really fun to watch they were really good um so that's how he developed but he went to ecw first he was an ecw uh ecw loved to book guys that were uh like kind of known in japan and that sort of thing and benoit had the style that ecw liked that's the philadelphia kind of hardcore promotion there so he went there and they loved his style i

mean it was great he had matches with eddie guerrero and then d malenko was there all the guys that went to wcw ray mysterio d malenko fucking eddie guerrero chris benoit they were all in ecw first and then WCW took them. Those are all the ones I love. Exactly. That's the wrestling I really enjoy. Because it's amazing to watch. It looks real, and it looks like a ballet where people are beating the shit out of each other,

which nobody else looks like that. It looks so tough that it can't be choreographed, but it's so smooth that how did that guy hit that guy so hard? And he still did that. It's impressive. Eddie was great. Eddie was great. Eddie is Chris's best friend, by the way, as we'll talk about.

They'll grow to be super close. So Chris in ECW, he broke Sabu's neck, actually. You know who Sabu is? You know who he is? No, no. Chris Benoit broke Sabu's neck. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

German suplexed him on his head and uh broke his neck so that's that's where the canadian crippler i believe nickname came from was a really yeah like part of that feud like i broke his neck now i'm the canadian crippler type of deal so if i'm not mistaken yeah so they're gonna celebrate that well they always do that in in wrestling uh stan mistakes if it if you you do you take whatever you're given in wrestling wrestling's like being a hitter in baseball if the guy's throwing you this and that you gotta take what you're given take the walk if you take if he throws you four balls you know don't force it but bruno san martino stan hansen broke his neck by accident in the 70s and their whole feud was i broke bruno's neck look at that

i broke uh steve austin and owen hart owen hart dropped him on his on steve austin on his fucking head and his whole thing was i broke steve austin's neck look at that jesus greg the hammer valentine had a thing i broke this guy's neck it was a it's every time someone's neck gets broken they use it as part of the angle god damn it because it's actually real yeah a guy coming yeah tell me what fake that guy's in a fucking wheelchair he comes out in a fucking halo with shit screwed into his head you go fuck man that's real that's that's no shit stuff we're watching here he didn't do that to commit to the bit for christ's sake no not at all yeah so once nitro starts up really that's when bischoff starts trying to get eric bischoff the head WCW, tries to start bringing in these guys that can fill time and have good TV, have exciting TV.

And these guys can do it. This is this group. And then the Luchab doors come in. You get psychosis and Conan and all those guys come in. And anyway, that's part of that so um during this time he it cross crosses paths with a young lady uh here named nancy hell yeah nancy elizabeth toffolini so uh yeah she's a nice italian girl or toffoloni i said toffolini i apologize it's toffoloni so either way both dishes are delicious very very yeah i like eggplant and my toffoloni. Yeah. So I like an eggplant toffoloni. Toffoloni is mostly cheese, so I'm into it. Well, what it is, you get the toffoloni trio, and that's eggplant, chicken, and veal together. And we're not making fun of her name.

Nancy is awesome, first of all. Nancy is one of the people in wrestling. You listen to a lot of shoot interviews, as I've done in the past. You come across, you get whatever shit there is to talk about a person. Someone will say it. So everybody's got there. Well, that guy did that. Well, that guy, I like that guy.

But type of deal. Nancy's one of the people that even before her death, never anybody ever had a bad word to say about her. She is just... I feel like there's a lot of Nancys involved in wrestling. Is that true? There is a lot. I think it's just that era of name. That's wild.

A lot of women in the 60s got named Nancy and she was born in 65. So I think maybe that's the deal. So she ended up... Nancy, like I said, everybody likes Nancy. She's nice. She's smart. She's very good at her job likes Nancy. She's nice. She's smart. She's very good at her job as well.

She's a great fucking valet. She kind of, she's an innovator. Like she opened up a different type of valet that didn't, I mean, Kevin Sullivan put her up to it, but she hit it out of the fucking park. I mean, someone gives you the ball, you still got to run with it. You know what I mean? someone gives you the ball you still got to run with it you know what i mean so yeah so i mean the valets up to that point were pretty women or like the the like squeaky like yeah like they're like you're stereotypical oh this bitchy woman because she's a heel so everyone's good like sunny type of deal you know what i mean even though that was much later it was that or it

was the miss elizabeth type who was like the – Sultry and – yeah. Just like whatever, Miss America type, whatever, girl next door, Miss America deal. She comes on as like she's the – I'm a minion of the devil type shit because Kevin Sullivan is – his whole gimmick is I'm the devil basically. That's his thing. I have this satanic group of people that's going to go after the good guy. And you know what I mean? We're going to we're going to take him down to hell. And so he's got all these different people. I think that's where Luna Vachon started as well was in the beginning was part of his posse.

And Nancy is a part of that posse as well. But before that, she she's trying to get into modeling basically she uh went to deland high school in florida and she got a job working for state farm insurance answering the phone poor thing at a high school in florida so uh she's married also by the way back in the day to uh dais day d-a-u-s is the guy's name uh jim jim dais is she's married to him like right out of high school yeah type of deal um so there's a guy who wants the pro there's a wrestling magazine called wrestling all-stars and they're looking for guy wants somebody for the cover and they find her and they want to photograph her for just to be in the background of whatever so yeah they find her she had been selling uh programs at the arena

she got into wrestling selling programs her they would go uh you know to the shows and she would sell programs at orlando shows and then she ended up in, okay, these wrestling magazines would have these things, these sections called apartment wrestling. You ever heard of this? No. Okay. It's super. I remember being creeped out by it as a kid. It's like in the back of the magazine, there you have, you know, all the wrestling from the deal and fake interviews and all the rankings and everything.

And then in the back would be apartment wrestling. And that would be women. Oh, no. The premise was, here are pictures of this event that went on, this private event. Private meaning sexual. This private event that took place just in some dude's apartment or a living room somewhere for a group of private clientele. So they're setting it up like a few wealthy wrestling fans paid all these women to catfight in front of them in their living room. That's how they're saying we have exclusive photographs of it.

And meanwhile, it's just they have the girls go, OK, now you act like you got her like this. OK, good. Now the next shot is like this. And okay, now your shirt's half torn off because they're tearing each other's clothes off and it's catfight shit. So it's really weird, really weird stuff. Implying that some titties fell out? Is that what it was?

Yeah, yeah. And in the mid, like 86, 87, when I was very little and started getting into wrestling and buying the magazines, that shit, I was like very confused by it. It's very weird, yeah. Because I was you know seven i didn't understand like i didn't get like that this was supposed to be sexual so i was like but it felt kind of dirty it felt a

little creepy yeah you know the the aim feels like they're trying to grab a grimy person to get into wrestling now oh yeah why would you want that you're targeting a filthy fucking audience and then they would sell like you know more pictures and i guess maybe you could see like you know more scantily clad like that was it was like oh this happened and then you could order more shit there but i remember being real creeped out by it but that's what she did at first she did photo shoots for that yeah because i mean she didn't mind being in a bathing suit she lives in florida you know so she was and she's not doing the wrestling she's doing some fucking uh yeah advertisement for it just posing acting like they're wrestling or you know basically it was them standing there like this yeah you know like

i'm gonna get you with their like nails up you know and air yeah or like one's got one like grabbed by the shoulders and her shirt stretched out or like one's got one like grabbed by the shoulders and her shirt stretched out the other one's like oh no my tit's gonna fall out like it's shit like that stupid anybody who was jerking off to that too that's a very sad existence that is very sad very sad sir your imagination should be able to be better than that, I would imagine. You're an embarrassment. Pick anything out and make it your imagination. So that's how she was doing it. Now, one of these shoots, she met Kevin Sullivan. I don't know if you've ever.

Do you remember Kevin Sullivan from WCW? Very short guy. Real short. He's like 5'7", has thighs that are like fucking 45 inches around. He's just this real stock pluggy guy. Yeah. And he's supposed to seven has thighs that are like fucking 45 inches around he's just this real like stock pluggy guy yeah and he's supposed to be like the devil right but he has the heaviest boston accent ever so he's like i'll tell you something else that it's like what's the irish catholic guy from boston kevin sullivan yeah he's the devil so it's very weird so sullivan recruits

her to be in his devil entourage and gives her the name the fallen angel so that's her deal like makeup on and she's like you know goth kind of satan hot you know like she's got like scantily clad and sexy you know if you're into that the fallen angel the devil is also a fallen angel so yeah well she's fallen angel also also there there's the name's dumb but i get it it's not i get it well just he might be the head fallen angel i don't know the hierarchy down there i don't know what's going on it's all made up anyway so who cares all bullshit who gives a shit so um yeah she did that this was in in 1984 she started for florida championship wrestling which we've talked about that's eddie graham who then shot himself and

then mike graham who his son and this is a weird thing the suicide runs in wrestling families we know about the von erics and all their suicides eddie graham shot himself the head of florida wrestling right then we're talking within the last 10 years his son mike graham shot himself the head of Florida wrestling right then we're talking within the last 10 years his son Mike Graham shot himself as well and killed himself Mike Graham later on will threaten Chris Benoit's life and that will get Chris Benoit out of a contract that he didn't want to be in anyway is that right yeah he'll threaten to quote cut his fucking throat at one point because Chris complained about something in WCW and Mike was old school and told him to shut the fuck up yeah so that's how that works um anyway um they're doing this whole deal uh she ends up marrying kevin sullivan who i think is about 13 14 years older than her

at this point as well this is marriage too for her this is is marriage two. Yeah. She divorces. Quickie divorced to the one guy. Marries Kevin Sullivan in 1985. Second husband. She's like 20. And her and Sullivan will be together for a while, though, here. A long time. She goes around and she's kind of his always in whatever crew he's in, wherever he goes. They go to WCW. She appears as something else she plays a a fan of

rick steiner is the way they do it so they give her like big glasses and a rick steiner t-shirt and they're like see she's dorky and then she takes his glasses off it's like oh you know it's one of those deals eventually she turned on him that's the story. She turns on the good guy and goes with Kevin Sullivan, who's this evil guy. And she ends up being called woman after that. And that's how she's woman for the rest of her deal. Wow. But she's like, she's not one of the like, she's almost like a sherry martel like she as a manager she's she looks mean and she gives like these withering stares and she looks mean and she looks like

she looks like she might stab you if you fell in front of her out of the ring you know like that's the what they're trying to portray like she looks vicious she's not like this like withering flower on the side like oh no oh heaven's me Oh, heaven's me. They're fighting. Yeah, but credit to dudes for when we like something, you can just be vague and we'll make up the rest in our heads. We'll fill it in. Just call her woman. We'll figure it out. It's fine. Woman.

Well, because Kevin Sullivan's the devil, so he's just got all these people. You're a woman. You're this. You're that. She becomes the manager of Doom, who is Butch Reed and Ron Simmons, who are a couple of giant black guys in masks. And they're like the only two black guys in WCW who are that big. So it's like, we know who you are. Why are they in masks?

It's Butch Reed and Ron fucking Simmons. What are we doing? Like, we know them already. They've been around forever. Yeah. And they just took the masks off them because, really, it was the dumbest fucking thing ever. Great tag team, though. Then she ended up aligning herself with rick flair and she was

like rick flair's valet and she was with the four horsemen and um anyway after that there is a uh that is when they they come up with this angle oh by the way when she's an ecw she does a really great job being sandman's fucking manager she looks her and sandman are a great fucking team because he's this drunken maniac with a kendo stick and he's wearing like high top sneakers and zuba pants and he's crushing a beer on his forehead and all this crazy shit and then before they say fight before anything and then she would every time and then she would be standing off to the side like holding his kendo stick when he's fighting like looking like mean and shit.

And she was it was a perfect combination. I really enjoyed her in that role. So anyway, she ends up in 1997. She's still married to Kevin Sullivan. They there's a Kevin Sullivan's the booker in WCW. OK, he books kind of the lower level angles. or in WCW, okay? He books kind of the lower level angles.

So what he books is this weird angle where Kevin Sullivan and Nancy are together and married, okay, in real life. And on the show, you knew this on Nitro, okay? It's obvious. So you knew, they told you. They said, okay, they're married. Now at the same time, they booked this angle where Chris Benoit and Nancy are having an affair behind Kevin Sullivan's back.

Okay. And he doesn't notice it. And it's like right in front of him sometimes and all this type of shit. Now, while this happens, Nancy and Chris begin to have an affair. It wasn't already happening and somebody wrote it into the show because of it? Yeah. He wrote it into the show and then that's what happened so as somebody i can't remember what wrestler said it but he said he booked his own divorce that's never been done before

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the NFL. Follow Business wars wherever you get your podcasts you can listen ad free on the amazon music or wondery app they end up having an affair now he's still married too so oh you know yeah so they end up breaking up uh he breaks up with her and they he and she breaks up with calvin sullivan and benoit and sullivan have a big angle over it too where they have a big match and it's like a i think that's the one where they uh sullivan gets pinned in the bathroom if i'm not mistaken it's like in any falls count anywhere it's in the men's room that's the that's the ultimate take what yeah you took my wife that's a that's a fucking feud the ultimate take what what comes. Yeah, I broke his neck, but I literally took his wife, so we're going to write that in.

And then Benoit won. Yeah. So they just continued with the angle. Yeah. Just keep it going. I guess Sullivan's a pro anyway. You got to say that about him. He's like, well, fuck it.

I'm not going to. But at this point now, Chris will never trust Kevin Sullivan as a booker again now because he feels like Sullivan's going to get back at him for something. He's going to get back at me. He hates me. Well, you should probably also never trust your wife, and she should probably never trust you. No one should trust anyone here, really.

This should be a triangle of distrust. Yeah, all the trust is gone from all of us. So Kevin Sullivan, I don't know if this was like a sign to all the other guys that he you know wasn't gonna harbor any hard feelings or what it was but he books chris benoit to win the world championship against sid vicious right so he's supposed to it was against sid yeah he's supposed to make he's supposed to beat sid so he beats sid and then quits the next day really he wants to won the title, and then he wants to quit the next day. So anyway, they don't want to let him get out of the contract at first,

but because Mike Graham said he'd cut his fucking throat over some slight that whatever happened, at that point they end up letting Chris out of his contract along with Eddie Guerrero, Dean Malenko. They go to WWF and become actually pretty big stars at that point because people knew who they were. And they were the guys that have been being kept down forever. And now they were over there and they were made them. They made them count there.

So, well, that's all going on. She Ben was referring to Nancy as his fiancee the whole time. OK. All time here. And she kind of stopped. You didn't see her around anymore as much in on tv and wrestling and she kind of became his manager from home in atlanta that's kind of how that worked so um he divorces his first wife uh according to the divorce documents here benoit's

wife uh has sole responsibility for the children i guess guess, for taking care of them, but they have joint custody. But I guess she's a caregiver. And this is a Canadian divorce, so I don't know the particulars of it up there. I don't know if there's beaver pelts involved that you have to give on a monthly basis. I'm not sure how it is. Hockey lessons, I don't know who pays for those, obviously. That's a problem.

How many maple candies you got to send every month? Bear repellent. You got to get the kid soaked in that for those, obviously. That's a problem. How many maple candies you got to send every month? Bear repellent. You got to get the kid soaked in that every couple days. So that's a problem. You know, who knows what's happening? So in this thing, in a dispute over visitation rights later on, Benoit was paying child support of $3,000 and spousal support of $2,000 per month. So he's paying five grand a month in like 2000 thousand holy shit that's what he's doing so that's it's a lot in

2000 because he was by then he's making good money though with wwf but he's not making he's not making two million dollars a year tell you that much you know he's so much if he's making yeah it's a lot so he asked for the children to be able to see him for a month during summer break and alternating Christmas and spring breaks. So kind of the father who doesn't live here package there. So we got your standard package here. This is the dad's more than a thousand miles away package. Want to set you up with that? It's a month in the summer alternating Christmas and spring break and about five grand a month in child support.

I'll set you up with that whole package. Okay, we'll get you going. Let's get the paperwork started. Oh, you want to add the claim them every other year on your insurance? Oh, well, hold on. We're going to have to go back to the table on that. We're going to have to go back to the table on who gets to claim them for taxes every year. And, well, if you pay for the health insurance you're gonna have to you get

to claim them on the taxes right not every year i don't think so let's talk about it not great so um february 25th which is my son's birthday as a matter of fact not the year but the date uh 2000 is when they nancy and chris welcome daniel into the Okay. That's when they have their son, Daniel Christopher Benoit, on February 25th and November 23rd of 2000. Same year, Chris and Nancy get married. Okay. This is maybe one for her at all? She doesn't have any other kids? She has no other kids, but he has the two.

This is his third. Previous. This is his third. So June 28th, 2001 is when he has neck fusion surgery. Ouch. He's had all sorts of fucking neck problems, obviously. Yeah. And we'll talk about this also in a second here.

But all sorts of neck problems. And he gets his neck fused. And I guess this will help extend his career a little bit because he can. It's brutal. The pain has gone a little bit. But Chris, his style, even by 2001, he has beaten the living shit out of himself. Between all the crazy shit he was doing in Japan, all the crazy shit he was doing in ECW, all the crazy shit he was doing on WCW, the amount of times this guy fucking lands on his his head the amount of chair shots this guy takes are it's repulsive man i mean and we're to just to talk about quickly the chair shots back then nowadays if there's a chair involved i mean the guy puts his arm up to block it and it is perfectly telegraphed and nobody cares. It's fine. We get it. Back then, you were considered a pussy

if you didn't put your hands to your side and let somebody wail you in the fucking head completely unprotected as hard as, or however hard they felt like it. You were considered a pussy. The seat right in the head. Yeah, you were considered a pussy. The seat, sometimes the fucking bridge of the thing.

Oh, my God. People get fucked up from that shit i mean and you were considered a pussy otherwise you some guys would put their arm up but it wasn't not the guys like benoit who wanted the fans to love them and all that kind of shit because when you take a chair shot people go crazy for that they love it so that's how he became a hero was i can take more abuse but after a while how much abuse can you take holy shit yeah that's how he became a hero was I can take more abuse. But after a while, how much abuse can you take? Holy shit. That's it.

So through this time, he really is becoming a large star in WWF. They like him. They promote him correctly. They treat him as a star because the fans treat him as a star. That's one thing. They're not always perfect with it. But back in the day, WWF was very good and WWE kind kind of toward this moment in time 2002 ish i think once they switched to wwe there they are they were a lot of times good at going well the fans are really responding to this

guy so we're gonna go with this guy because it's overwhelming you know what i mean they're not perfect it's how you could name wrestling fans could name 20 examples of times they didn't do that and fucked up on guys it happens but a lot of times they were pretty good at noticing when the fans were really on board with somebody and changing the way they were going and they knew right from the beginning that the fans are going to like this guy he goes balls out in the ring he's our guy so may 2003 all right nancy files for divorce against chris oh no yeah you know about that that she had filed once before filed uh filed for divorce citing uh her marriage as irrevocably broken and alleging cruel treatment um so this and she also got a temporary restraining order based on an April incident where Chris, according to Nancy quote, lost his temper and threatened to strike her and cause her extensive damage to the home and personal belongings of the parties, including furniture. Well, you can't do that.

No, I will beat you up and fuck this whole place up. Right. So that's what they did. Um, so she had a temporary restraining order and a divorce in the works by august of 2003 though they reconcile and chris moves back in chris wasn't living with them irrevocably broken yeah it's a big one apparently it's revocable yeah so i mean yeah so this this this is one of those things where you're like, ah, ah. You know what I mean?

There's a fracture in this. This is like hearing the Feldman family moved out of Germany briefly in 1932, but then came back. You're like, no, don't. No, stay. There was a way out. Stay where you were. God, no. So I don't mean to make light of that, but jesus christ it's this is fucking horrible is that i'm you just go shit if it just would have went through

so she dropped it in 2003 and dropped the restraining order and everything like that so uh march 14th 2004 this is chris's big day. He has a three-way match, a triple threat match, they call it, against Triple H and Shawn Michaels. These are two of their signature stars, and he's in the ring with them, and this is for the world title here.

Big deal. World heavyweight title. WWE does not give the world heavyweight title back then to small guys period just never happened i mean even before leading up to this michaels was the smallest guy and sean michaels is six foot fucking two he's not a small guy you're six one but he's a he's a pretty big guy like in normal people land he's a big guy so this is the smallest guy they would ever think about putting the belt on i think because i don't think they might have gave it to ray mysterio later but he's a different thing he's a fucking acrobat for

christ's sake no one's doing what he's doing maybe they don't give it to anybody else because it doesn't fit him yeah that's what it is it's too big takes up his whole chest so it was smallest buttons of 36 sorry that's i'm sorry we can't help you he uh he ends up getting uh triple h in the crippler crossface and winning the match and winning the title and they really make a big deal of it too like i mean they have confetti fall from the fucking ceiling it's like they made a big deal of like he's been working his whole life for this you know and like he's no one thought he could do it but he's gonna do it like they made a whole big rocky scenario out of it. And then when he won the title, ticker tape fucking coming down.

It was a really good match, too. Honestly, it wasn't bad at all. I saw it for this. And it was going crazy. Nancy came in. He had Nancy and Daniel came in the ring and joined him and he kissed her. And they fucking held their son up. And he's got his belt and his child up at the same time and they fucking held their son up and they you know he's got his belt

and his child up at the same time and his fucking wife next to him it could not possibly get any more good for chris benoit right now grace this is yeah as fuck i mean this is every dream achieved at this point too he's starting to make big, starting to make half a million dollars a year, 600 grand a year. He's got to work for it, but he's making it, and it's going real well here. He says in 2004, though, that quality time with my family is a big vice. It's something that I'll fight for and crave. So he's saying he doesn't think he gets enough time here with his family. Now, November 13, 2005, Eddie Guerrero dies.

Yeah. Eddie Guerrero was, like I said, he considered him his best friend. Chris is never the same. Never bounces back from this. He is. And he died of heart failure, right? Heart failure. Yeah.

Heart failure in a fucking hotel room with his nephew trying to help him and give him CPR or whatever while it happened. It was terrible. Terrible fucking story. And now much like – Eddie had a huge drug and alcohol problem. And at this point, Eddie is like – he's like wrestler clean, you could call it. Like what he's doing is – well, it's not for recreation. He's not partying with shit, but he he's taking steroids he's using pills to sleep and this to wake up and all that kind of shit so it's necessary stuff as they call it maintenance shit that they have to do but you can't abuse it that's what they all say so he's devastated by this though and he does it he turns into a he writes

a bunch of weird things and he like in the dark side of the ring they talk about he came over the house after eddie died like a while afterwards and like to you know see his kids and his wife eddie's vicky and the kids over to eddie's house yeah he said they couldn't find him after a minute they looking around for chris he was upstairs in there in the bed on eddie's side of the bed laying there sobbing just crying fucking weird man they didn't they they like he would like go down to eddie's gym and just cry in it just sit there and sob and cry and like and it went on like his wife was like okay i liked him too but you know you can't just i i gotta i gotta date at 9 30 so it's been a while. You know what I mean? I can't just have you over here sniffing his sheets and crying, man.

It's really weird. It's really weird. Stop working his pillow. My date's going to go, who's he? And I'm going to go, okay. Now he's, listen, it's a long story. The guy in the gym scraping the dried sweat off of one of my husband's exercise machines into a tiny Ziploc bag.

That is Chris Benoit. He's a friend of ours. Don't worry about it. That's a lot. He's going to snort those flakes later. Yeah, he's definitely going to do that. Just make him a part of him. So another thing he does that's weird is,

I guess, Eddie at some point gives Chris a Bible. Eddie's real religious. Chris is not religious at all. So he gives Chris a Bible, and Chris carries it with him, but he's not really into religion. But he's like, it's Eddie's thing that he gave him. So he wants to respect his friend. It's a very he ends up having a very odd relationship with religion here for the next couple of years where. Well, I can understand because it's it's his best friend.

And that's the thing that meant the most to Eddie, obviously, is his religion. And he gave that to him trying to help him. and it's it's a piece of eddie that's like the closest piece of eddie if i know a guy who's super super religious and he drops dead at 38 i'm gonna go well that's not fucking working like whatever he was doing i'm not you know like obviously that wasn't the the right combination you're trying to click the safe. Well, that's the wrong one. It didn't open. You know, just in terms of logic. Like, fuck. But maybe necessarily with religion, life isn't the grand reward.

I guess not. You know what I mean? But that's, maybe that's why I'm not religious. Chris wants him here with him, but maybe he wants to be here too. Not care about what I can touch and feel and see and hear and smell and taste in case of something else. You know the bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. Ever hear of that? That's a thing, yeah.

So there you go. Anyway, I don't know. Either way, if you want to be religious be religious i don't give a fuck just uh yeah just please don't get nominated to the supreme court thank you um anyway that would be helpful so february 16th 2006 uh now by the way in this area he lives in the peach and peach tree area by near atlanta even though he works for wwe he keeps his place in atlanta this is kind of a crowded place though apparently the bucket area i don't know it's called peach tree i think it's kind of out near a suburb or something but it's

still isn't peach tree there everything is peach tree it's all the roads and apparently this town or this section of town and everything so apparently a lot of the wrestlers lived here and it was like his house was right on a public street. And like he said, he was telling his friends it got to the point because he's fucking incredibly famous at this point. It got to the point where people knew where he lived and they couldn't go outside anymore. Like his son couldn't go out and play in the yard because there would be people out there bothering them and all this sort of shit. He kind of became where he had to hide in his house all the time. So they decide to build a mansion, a peach tree city, the one place is called. So they build a mansion in unincorporated Fayetteville.

They build a mansion or Fayette, whatever it is, Fayette County. Got it. In the country. In the country in the country kind of yeah so they build he has this fucking huge house built i mean it's all his shit's got his home gym in the basement and all that shit it's the it's the the dream house gated so nobody can get into the hat like the house itself is gated so people can't get in they get two german shepherds to wander the fucking yard yeah to protect this kid in case anybody tries to fuck with him and all that sort of shit.

So the problem is this kind of separates them from a lot of the people that they hung out with before. It isolates them. Yeah. Because a lot of the wrestlers lived in that area, including one of his good friends. Do you remember Public Enemy, the tag team? No. Crazy guys wore like hockey jerseys with busy shit on them that said public enemy kind of short guys went through tables all the time

one of the one of the guys johnny grunge michael in durham uh is his real name johnny grunge uh lived in this area and became really close with chris like after eddie died johnny was the one guy from the business that chris would like talk about personal shit with and family stuff. And like, you know, they could talk deep and shit. You know what I mean? You know, you're people that you don't tell everything to people that you do. So and then you tell me everything else. So which is fine.

So I like what I mean. That's that's he's that to him, you know. So it's his closest friend left in the area. February 16th, 2006. Johnny Grunge dies. God damn it. Very young. They say of sleep apnea. But, I mean, he was a real heavyset guy.

But there's all sorts of drugs and everything else involved in it for years and years. So it's very fucking sad. So now he's lost him, too. So he's lost his two people that he talks to closely. Close confidants for a while there. And they moved out to this isolated area so now they're kind of just by themselves in this isolated area um they're living in this house they still didn't even sell their old house yet when they moved into the new house they didn't

even give a shit they were like moving into the new house yeah yeah going well i guess jesus so the summer of 2006 they live in the new house, and they have a neighbor named Holly Shrepfer. Shrepfer. Yeah. Shrepfer. Jesus. It's a lot of consonants in that name. For a name that long, there should be more than two consonants in it, I feel like.

Or two vowels. I'm sorry. Two E's? Two vowels. Yes, two E's. S-C-H-R-E-P-F-E-R. It's a long name to have two vowels. It just is.

So it's a lot. So she's driving home when she sees a, as she puts it, disheveled and upset woman walking down the road. And this isn't an area where people really just kind of wander down the street. It's a rural area. Maybe if they have a dog or something. But she knew her as her next door neighbor that just moved in she's like oh that's the lady that just moved in um holly hadn't met her yet though she's just seen her and all that sort of thing nice time to introduce herself she looks

yeah looks like shit pull up next door yeah so she pulls up next to nancy and she's looks like she's been crying and shit she's like are you okay like is everything all right and i'm clearly having a bad day yeah let's talk let's talk and this is not the way for nancy that i'm sure she'd love to meet the new neighbors as well because nancy's very social and she you know ends up being very good friends with holly and i'm sure this isn't the way for her that's best to meet people she says everything okay and nancy said actually no i just had a fight with my husband and he threw me against the wall and I'm afraid to go back to the house. So I don't know what to do.

I'm just wandering around the street, which is horrifying, obviously. So Holly says, I guess, what do you want to do? You know, you want me to call the police? Like, I don't know what you want to do about it, basically. And Nancy decides that she would like her to drive her to a hotel near the Atlanta airport where she can spend a couple of nights and figure it out, figure out what the hell she wants to do with her life here. Yeah, because Chris is a very public figure. And I guess it's discussed, too, that, you know, if she calls the cops, then basically, you know, their whole income could be over. And that's not helpful to Nancy either. So the way she puts it is, you know, we have a son and shit like that.

So I got to figure out if I'm going to leave or what's going to happen here. So either way, the neighbor, it's not her decision to decide. You know, so she takes her where she wants to go and I think hopes for the best here. So anyway, they're there. This isn't abnormal for them. Obviously, the divorce proceedings the restraining order. Apparently, they're known, even by their group of friends back in Peachtree City there, for having giant fights in public. They're that couple that would fight in public and scream at each other.

And Nancy doesn't take shit. That's the thing. Nancy's not taking your shit. She's been in the fucking wrestling business for 15 years. She's taken zero shit 20 years at this point. I worked for State Farm. Fuck you. Yeah. State at this point i worked for state farm fuck you yeah state farm i worked for eddie graham do you understand that like i work for like old school yeah promoter like you're not gonna fucking punk me like i fought fans in parking lots you know like fuck away from me yeah she's not taking that shit and

everybody said especially if she was had a couple drinks or had some pills in her she would really lay into chris and didn't give a fuck yeah i had no fear of it i guess and they would fight like cats and dogs so that's what happened and he would be physically abusive so yeah um that's how that happened and uh it's so weird too because they i guess everything was a lot better when they were in peach tree city like in their relationship it was a lot better they still fought and everything like that because they filed for divorce over there but it was better than here here it's just been this isolation nancy's having a hard time with it i think they have to find a new school for their son they have all these new things to figure out and uh chris is always on the road which doesn't help so um eventually too the friends said that chris kind of the ben was withdrew withdrew from their

friend group and uh that sort of thing it was just kind of a they became he became more reclusive than normal yeah and a lot of a lot of that might have to do with his his burgeoning fame too that's the other thing is when you're really famous like a guy like chris benoit at that point not making any excuses or anything that could also be that you're it's just not comfortable for you to go out you know people are staring at you you understand yeah i don't obviously we don't get that or know that or anything but there's people that are famous that that's how they live it's just not comfortable you've got to be cut out for that kind of lifestyle because he's not. Right.

Yeah. He's a wrestler. Right. He's not Hulk Hogan. He's a worker. You know what I mean? Yeah. If it was up to him, he'd go to work, wrestle, have the best match and then go home and nobody

would know who he was. And he'd go home with his wife and kids and then he'd fucking go back and wrestle again. Like that's how he to him. This is like clocking in. Yeah. Whereas other people, they're like, awesome, this is a springboard to movies, and maybe I can do this or maybe I can do that, where Chris never wanted any of that shit.

He wanted to be a wrestler. Didn't give a fuck. But to be part of it in that sense and be a big star like that, you've got to understand you've got to have walls built around your lifestyle, and you've got to be able to be comfortable being alone. Comfort and solitude is not something that a lot of people are cut out for, man.

Especially if you're, if you're in the, in the, being the public eye and then going to the comfort of solitude is, yeah, it's really difficult to go between the two. Tough to go back and forth here. Absolutely.

And he's, I think he's, uh, they're kind of being in a, in a bit of a fishbowl at this point. And that's, I think that's his problem here absolutely and he's i think he's uh they're kind of being in a bit of a fish bowl at this point and that's i think that's his problem here and he withdraws from it and uh i think too it might be hard for some people to get used to that as well uh just to get used to the fact that oh wow i'm i'm different guy now either way a guy named chris masters who's a wrestler for

years and years here he said quote to be perfectly honest, I respected the hell out of Chris Benoit for being the man that he was. But there was always an intense energy coming from him. Every time I shook his hand, it made for some short and awkward conversations. Not good. Not that tight with him. That's why. So December 2006, Nancy Benoit has the same surgery that Chrisris had in 2001 really so the same neck fusion with the same doctor and everything so same deal she's she's taken plenty of bumps too back for over the

years she's her body's fucked up too is she taking more at home and that's the other thing who knows if she's taken some uh extra bumps that we don't know about. That's horrible to think about. So March of 2007, late March 2007. By the way, a lot of the timeline stuff, not the opinions, because we don't take anybody's opinions. We form our own opinions here. So about these people and about circumstances and cases. Like, I'm not going to listen to some editorial about it. I can read the facts of the case. and cases like i'm not going to listen to some editorial about it i can read the facts of the case and figure it out so yeah but the book uh chris and nancy by irv muchnick is uh a very good

resource for actual documentation of things like i got these records from the investigation and building a timeline of when this happened and that happened and a lot of this is from the book by the way if you're interested in in, buy the Chris and Nancy book. It's interesting. But it's not for the wrestling part of it because the guy obviously isn't that big of a, I don't think, a wrestling fan. Otherwise, it's a lot of speculation of the timeline, correct?

Not really speculation because the timeline is, the timeline's kind of set in stone by, not the timeline of the actual murders, but timeline of who knew what when is pretty set up by phone records of who called who when, who texted who when. That all lines up to the point of WWE looks really scummy. They could not have more shit dripping off their face from this fucking thing and they try to act like it's nothing it's wild so um 2007 in march nancy tells chris's mom nancy's mother-in-law that she thinks that chris is quote uh not doing the right thing on the road she thinks he's going out partying and fucking women that. That's what she thinks. He's being a wrestler out there. Yeah.

And this relationship of being on the road is really difficult. How many comics do you know that they fight with their wife before they go on, they fucking do this before they go on? Home life is like this, and you're on the road, and you're trying to do this. And there's also another life that's there that you kind of have to participate in, even if you're gone, because Jesus Christ. it's a it's hard it's hard on everybody it takes dude it's not easy to do and it takes a certain group takes a certain couple of people to be able to make that work and if oh if it's not if it's not together it's not together and it's going to be a disaster it's going to be a mess it's hard on home base and it's hard on the person out there it's hard on everybody and so everybody feels like it's tough it's really

tough so we'll you can see what they're going to argue about here so um the mom chris's mom said she would talk to chris when he came to canada in july which we know now will never happen because july doesn't happen for them so march 2007 uh, Chris's son David and daughter Megan were visiting from Canada for a week. So this is spring break here. Chris and Nancy fight loudly on several occasions during all this. And at least one time during the week, Nancy pushed and hit Chris that the kids saw. We don't know what happened behind closed doors, but that happened. She was very mad at him

because he had made no preparations or plans for any time with the kids for that week. He had plans of shit to do and she was like, your kids are here for a week. Why don't you see them? After the fight, they had a big fight one night. Chris took David out to dinner and they had dinner together

and other times David would take young daniel upstairs and kind of get him out of the way of you know you know little kids don't need to see that shit no that's too so um it's a problem um the other thing is he has fucking he has been on steroids continuously for a long fucking time 15 years or better at least yeah i mean a long time chris without the steroids he could work out all day and he's not gonna he's just not gonna be a wrestler yeah and he's also not gonna be able to get through the grind of it and the beating of it with the route the recovery time of him so it's just he needs to have that shit to wrestle so his own uh endocrine system had stopped producing its own normal supply of testosterone.

That's how long he's been on it continuously for 15 years. He doesn't even make it anymore. Doesn't even make it. So this became the basis for a therapeutic use exemption under the WWE wellness program. So they had a therapeutic use exemption. So basically their whole thing for years and years and years after the whole steroid scandal,

if we care about their health and we're doing all this, unless you get a note from your doctor and then you can jack yourself up full of any kind of fucking monkey hormones you want and come out looking like triple H we're fine with it. As long as your doctor said you have an injury, which if the injury is because you've taken too much steroids you need more steroids that's your i don't know the medical reality of it but i think we go i think you've timed out of this business sir when the usage has has

compromised your system to creating it at all like that's insane it's crazy and like that i don't you're obviously not fit for this job no and wwe is the silver-haired middle-aged white man of all time as we know vince mcmahon i think is the grand champion of them i know dana white's coming hard for his title but i don't think you can ever he just pulled another another one off. You can't. This guy's going to be 100 years old pulling off capers, man. He's his own silver haired middle aged white man. That's what I mean. Well, he has Jerry. He's had Jerry McDevitt, his lawyer, who is his as we talked about on that one Patreon episode about a steroid trial.

So he under this under this program with a doctor's prescription, he could just shoot him testosterone, whatever the fuck else he wants into him. It's testosterone replacement therapy now. So it's just medical. His deltoids are the size of a ham hock. It's just to replace the testosterone he's lost. He's not taking any extra. Just to get that little bit back in there. That's all.

No surplus? It's just a or it's just no problem. Yeah, no problem. If he walks half a block, his thighs catch fire from friction. But that's just because, you know, helping. So also, he, I guess, had had recent sexual dysfunction as well because, you know he's on a shitload of steroids other drugs and everything else so and he's she also thinks he's cheating at the same time we don't know about that so little left is is in there he's drained it on the road he's yeah he's spilling it definitely he's spilling it on at fucking away games this is a problem she also was concerned with what she's called uh bee stinging

that's what chris called it which was uh putting heavy amounts of steroids in yourself so you'll look big quickly you know like you got stung by a bunch of bees and you're swole up you know what i'm saying that's yeah um also painkillers and all sorts of shit like that he's taken that he's got mood drugs we'll talk about and nancy would occasionally take some of those painkillers and all sorts of shit like that. He's taken that. He's got mood drugs we'll talk about. And Nancy would occasionally take some of those painkillers and shit for herself. And so you're starting to see a picture of a, you know, there's a lot of quicksand around here for this relationship. It's not great. But you don't see what's coming, though. This sounds like a divorce is coming.

Sure enough. It sounds like it's going to be a contentious divorce. Yeah. It sounds. is coming sure enough it sounds like it's going to be a contentious divorce yeah it sounds it sounds and they're both the mood stabilizers alone uh self-medicating and choosing your dosages yeah that's bad enough but then you're not great you mix the fucking testosterone and and fucking painkillers that's terrible it's fucking what it's bonkers yeah and so it's it's different because it's like on small town murder we'll come up with a thing like this and we can see what's coming because the guy you know also had like four

sodomy charges in high school and he you know what i mean and then he like assaulted a woman in a park for no reason and then you're like i see something coming but right this uh you see maybe nancy just getting fed up and leaving that's what i can see here but she tries to make a go of it because they have a seven-year-old or six-year-old at this point seven now uh in the story so um i guess in january 2007 she threw out a big stash of steroids she keeps trying to get him to get off the steroids because she thinks that's his problem that's that's the problem though you can't just take somebody's that's pouring people's booze down the drain all All you're going to do is piss them off. He's just going to get more.

That's the thing. It's not his decision at that point. But if you're so fucking fed up, at some point, you just pour all the booze out and you go, you're not getting drunk tonight. You're doing the fucking Karen Hill throwing the car keys out the window. Not without your car keys, you're not. One of those. I'm going to find them.

I'm going to find them. That's the thing. You can't stop it so um chris was so angry that he left the home for two weeks really what do you think he was doing out there jamming himself full whatever he wanted to that's the problem so it's terrible uh in may now we're getting into may of this year may 5th of 2007 nancy texts chris quote daniel has called twice today why can't uh why can't bother with him either so why can't you bother with him either so i guess she tried to call him he's not answering now daniel's trying to get a hold of him and he's not answering for his own son

that's not cool so she's like hey what the fuck uh the morning of may 9th she says one night you're texting i love you during the day or one night you're texting I love you during the day you won't talk. Get off the crap you're on. It's making you passive aggressive and I don't need this abuse. So he's on something here. Three hours later, she said that he hadn't made himself available to his two kids with Martina here who are visiting. Quote, your big claim. Ask anyone you work with how you are.

No one knows what goes on behind closed doors. And the excuses about not being able to see your kids is your failure and putting no effort to them. Paying out lots of money, sending for them twice a year is a far cry from being a dad. You need to get it together. I will not accept this steroid-induced rollercoaster ride of emotional abuse. Ignoring the problem or running away isn't going to help you face it. You need professional and only if you're fully honest about all of it. She's right about every word she just said.

She's right. This is the part that pisses me off about a lot of people because a lot of people in the wwf he put out the fucking narrative that steroids had nothing to do with it okay and a lot of people said steroids had nothing to do with it because some people get right rage but not everybody gets right rage and that's true we're not saying it's a Royd rage situation, but Nancy has been in the wrestling business for 20 years. Nancy knows exactly how steroids affect men because she has been around exclusively a bunch of men on fucking steroids for 20 years, 24 hours a day, including in the hotels afterwards. She was married to Kevin Sullivan. She knows what the fuck goes on and even

she knows even if she's just being vague about men in general and wrestlers in general she's had a passenger seat view of what yeah how chris reacts to everything so she knows exactly what's happening she knows she says i will not accept this steroid induced roller coaster coaster ride of emotional abuse she knows that's the cause of it. The catalyst is that. That's it. There may be other things adding in, but the catalyst and igniter of this entire thing is the roid use.

Brain damage is dried leaves, and this shit is gasoline, and that's what it is. We have a pile of dried leaves. I'm getting hit in the fucking head. Now you're pouring steroid gasoline on it, and you're going to come over with an anger fucking match and you're going to drop it on there and now here we go so it's not great um then later on she says in that day she says you don't get it i do except you're emotional you don't get it i do except you're emotional

and verbal abuse you want to talk to me or you're going to have to put more effort into it than this. Then the next day, she said, you're a grown man with three kids. Set the example. Are you trying to say this is how you grew up watching your dad call your mom names and make her cry? No, Nancy. No. Then what gives you the right? Because his parents aren't like that. That's why she's saying no.

Then what the fuck are you doing it for? Grow up for mighty sakes. Get off the stuff. It obvious i'm it's obvious i'm probably not the only one who can see and we both know the wellness program is a joke wwe's wellness program in other words we both know you're doing you can't because he's trying to say i'm not doing shit i just passed my test right when it comes to other drugs and's saying, we know they're not really testing you, Chris. Shut the fuck up. I'm in this business. This would work if I was some secretary you married.

If I stayed at State Farm, this might work. I'm in the business. I know what you're doing. You know? So the morning of May 12th, she said, I tried to put an end to this. You're the one who is dragging it out. It's stupid. You could have been home last year doing. She said, I tried to put an end to this. You're the one who is dragging it out. It's stupid.

You could have been home last year doing. I don't know what that means, but these are exact text messages. So angry texting, who knows? Fast. Fast. Yeah. What's my line? Nothing.

I fucking said it one time. No one types faster than an angry woman. No one can text faster than an angry woman there's smoke coming off their fingers you can you're trying to get one thought off and you're like how did you just tell me where you grew up and all your childhood friends how'd that happen at the time i went to say that didn't i went to say no that's not true how the fuck did you do that yeah if she's accusing you of something don't even ask why just wait a a sec. She'll tell you. Wait a sec. Yeah. That's funny. So, yeah, no one types faster than an angry woman.

That's a thing. So she said that. Then she said, Daniel has been calling you. That's later this afternoon on the 12th of May. Daniel has been calling you. You need to call him and me too. This has gone on long enough. I tried to talk to you. You could have been at home yesterday.

So he's out, doing something yeah that night if you haven't figured daniel knows how to dial your cell by pushing phone book and scrolling to chris cell he's mad at me because you haven't called be an adult and call it won't make much more for him to realize it's not me he's mad at he's not a baby anymore and a message isn't going to be enough so talk to your kid tell him that every you know make him fucking feel good here may 22nd um he said this they're arguing about his ex-wife and some problems now so it's gotten to this she says quote the german christmas ornament would not have bothered me had martina not kept asking about it so apparently there's some German ornament that's something to do with them and she doesn't want it on the tree, which is all understandable shit that happens in relationships.

Not had not kept asking me about it, especially when she kept asking me about it on my birthday. She tried to ignore me on Mother's Day. I called back twice. So when your parents do come, I will confront your mom. She has put me in the middle of this. She has put me in the middle this time. I'll handle it. 10 years now, haven't been here and now still can't come back when the kids are together. My folks are coming just for the kids' summer holiday. Effort. Second on my list to help. holiday effort second on my list to go second on my list to help okay we asked when i had the big surgery two years ago it's enough already no more excuses just be real so she is clearly trying to

get him to participate in the relationship family something your family is causing problems you're not fixing it i have to go be the bad guy. You're making me look bad. Yeah. This is uncomfortable, and I don't like it, and you're being a dick, so come home and fix shit. The worst, though, is she's fighting with his mother. That's impossible. That's impossible. I've been there.

You can't win that. Now it's Sarah. Sarah and my mother are like, they'll conspire against me, for Christ's sake. Well, my ex and my mother got in some fights and then they both yell at me because i'm like i have i don't even know what the fuck you two are arguing about i like each other i don't know anything about this how is this my fault you know so that's what we do so that's not great on may 26th um she is talking about chris has been saying that uh basically he's out working his ass off

and you don't appreciate it and she said money orders every month can't give hugs you should keep working you should keep working wouldn't want the ex to miss another four weeks paid while you send for your annual I'm a great father summer holiday so

yeah wouldn't want your ex to miss out apparently she's she nancy's saying your ex is living off of their money that you're giving and uh you get to feel like a good dad for the summer which they're divorced and that's really his only option though is to try to feel like a good dad for the summer you can't yeah yeah um then she says later on, quote, what's 60,000 times 10, 600,000. Yeah, boy, I feel sorry for you. All that money, time and effort. And still no thank you.

No thanks for the trips, uh, every year, twice, three times, at least a year. I wonder, does anyone really know when they go to bed at night or eat a meal or where the clothes they put on how tired you are at the end of the week or how very hard it is to work for 600 000 nope it's much easier to have it handed to you with four weeks paid holiday you have uh no idea what you've lost no need to worry i'll make sure your sacrifices are well known so she's talking about nice that's a great wife yeah well no she she's talking about she's mad at the ex yeah that's what i'm saying she's very supportive and saying look you're working your balls off you said yeah

over half a million dollars with nothing to to be spoken for not a thank you yeah for christ's sake so yeah she's still defending him on okay from outside attacks yeah i understand you're probably stressed out and have a lot of pressure on your shoulders. Let me help. That's what she's saying. Yeah, because she knows what the fuck he's going through. That's the other thing is like she knows what he's going through. She's been on the road. She understands it.

He can talk about shit from the business with her and it's not like, what do you mean? She'll know exactly what he's talking about. Yeah. She's been there and she's dealt with Kevin Sullivan, who was like an executive, a booker in WCW, not an executive, but a booker. So she's even dealt with that. She understands how the business works better than anybody. She's fucking smart, too. That's the other thing. She said that apparently she's mad at Chris's refusal to change the beneficiaries on an old $250,000 life insurance policies, which still has beneficiaries listed as Martina and the children.

Not her and the children. Not Nancy and the children. Oh, God damn it. So she says, quote, if you wanted your ex-wife to have your retirement fund, you would have given it to her 10 years ago at the divorce. If you wanted her to have more, you wouldn't have tried to hide your money now it's the point we're married i come first yeah yes that's very fair that's just i don't yeah that's just i haven't called and that's important to make that call 10 years um 10 years um uh so nancy at this point in the spring tells holly the neighbor who saw her, that they're good friends now.

The stress of it all has made her, she's been drinking more, she's been taking pills, trying to self-medicate here and trying to hold things together at home with the kids and all this type of shit. She said with the kid, with Daniel, she said she's been trying to get into walks, trying to go for long walks to get into shape again. Because with the neck surgery, she feels like she's out of shape. And she's always been – Nancy's always been like thin. Yeah, but just a rock and bod type of chick. You know what I mean? So for her, she's just trying to get – just trying to feel better I think too after a long neck surgery of being laid up. When you're used to physical activity, that's got to be hard for you active yeah and she said when chris would

come home um in between shows sometimes he'd come home in between shows instead of staying on the road and she said he was emotionally detached at that point which is yeah because he's in the middle of a yeah it's a i think i don't think there's a comedian's wife on the planet who doesn't describe them as emotionally detached. You know what I mean? Have you ever heard one not described like that? Some of these famous guys I see, and I see them with podcasts and they're touring and doing all this standup. And I know that they have very well grown children that are, fuck man they're 10 or 10 to 14 years old i don't know how the fuck they keep in contact with those kids there's no way they're anything described as

anything but uninvolved and detached yeah you could that's what i mean you could some of those guys you could come home and there could be a fucking pool dug in your house and you go when did we get a pool i didn't even notice that holy shit that was last month you've been here twice since then really wow i didn't even notice so um also he was described as controlling by nancy as well uh she said he didn't she felt like he didn't want her to have friends and uh one night they had a fight and chris hid her hummer her car what hit it from her so she couldn't leave oh god drove it hit it somewhere um holly had to he didn't just hide it like down the street jimmy holly had to pick her up and drive nancy around the airport atlanta airport parking facilities which is the

largest maze known to the fucking surface of the earth it's horrible he put it in a parking garage somewhere in atlanta at the atlanta airport just left it there and uh they had to drive around for a long time before they found it in the country yeah it's the parking lots are huge too you know how hard it is to get an you know how hard it is to get an uber out of there it's fucking impossible where am i what zone am i going to i crossed the street now i over here. I don't know what I'm doing. It's hard enough to get from Terminal A to Terminal B. Oh, Christ.

At least there's a tram. There's no goddamn tram to the Uber. You just walk around and follow people with suitcases. Where are you going? I'm going there, too. Great. We don't know where we're going. We're all following one crazy person up front.

So apparently he would call home sometimes and tell her exactly what to cook that night even when he was on the road what which is strange um very strange um apparently too one night in may uh bob holly a hardcore holly the wrestler he said that chris checked into a local hotel and he had talked to chris about. He checked into a hotel after a fight in May and Chris had told him that Nancy was quote fucked up on pills and booze and they got in a fight. He also had, it's at this point, June 14th.

He has, this is just stupid shit. I don't even know if it, if it fucking matters, but it's like he's exchanging a bunch of like old fart misogynist jokes with his fucking matters. But it's like he's exchanging a bunch of old fart misogynist jokes with his fucking friends, like guys on a loading dock would throw back and forth in 1965. One of those.

This is with Hurricane Helms, the wrestler. How many men does it take to open a beer bottle? Actual jokes. None. It should be already open when the bitch brings it. That's what I mean. These are not clever or funny here um how are women and toilet bowls similar oh boy if the uh if the hole is in them if the hole in the middle isn't worth a shit i don't understand how that middle isn't worth if the hole in the middle isn't how are they similar

if the hole in the middle isn't worth it whether or not the hole in the middle isn't, how are they similar? If the hole in the middle isn't worth it. Whether or not the hole in the middle is worth a shit. I don't even understand that jokes. I don't even understand that one. That's just a terrible joke. Jesus Christ, Chris. You're not seeing the no charisma. See what I'm saying? So Saturday, June 16th, Benoit is wrestling in Dothan, Alabama, which is about 200 miles away from Fayetteville.

Nancy joins him at the show. She said at this point, she really thinks he's having an affair because she said that the people in the company, the WWE people, were walking around on eggshells around her like they knew something she didn't. Some of that shit.

Like, oh, hey, how you doing? Weird shit. There was a rumor that he was having an affair with Michelle McCoolccool who was one of the divas that was the rumor obviously we don't know if that's true at fucking all um but uh during her i guess from november of 2006 they found a uh back in his phone records they found a message where he asked another wrestler could you please text me michelle m McCool's phone number but if he's having an affair with her he could probably get it from her you know what I mean

so who knows if they had an angle together we have no goddamn idea so also on the log are redactions of the phone phone number or numbers to which he texted about his arrivals on Delta Airlines flights he was telling somebody that he'd

arrive on at 9 32 on may 3rd and at 8 25 on may 5th and um and in between that he went home so like that was him going to other places those are not his home landing time so he was telling someone when he got there but it could have been a driver who the fuck knows so um also they said that they got verizon wireless produced this is from the book crude printouts of all the call information from the benoit's phones but the data starts at june 1st so it's impossible to determine you know who those were for basically so um they anyway they said that uh they were that was the rumor anyway so nancy though said that chris sometimes went outside to carry on phone calls at home um which is a you know bad sign he also had a second cell phone which she knew about it because it was you know

for work shit but she also believed that he was trying to hide it, hide that one from her. She said he never did this before. And she said that, you know, she was she knows what the fuck these guys are doing because she's done it. She's been there. She's seen this before. So she said that, you know, this is bullshit. I know what's going on here. Like, I've seen guys do this before.

And at the same time, she's saying, why won't you fuck me and all this type of shit because you don't want to have sex with me but what are you doing and it's a big it's getting just rough it's it's a fucking quagmire it's it's tough ugly yeah it's marriages how those relationships fall apart it's just you have to leave you have to be i don't mean she should leave or he they have to break up like they just have whoever i don't know but i don't know both people need to be mature enough whatever it is you have to be able to give grace and go and and understand that you have flaws and she has flaws both have to yeah admit it so you know what i mean this is just this is all you have to be able to tolerate the flaws that's the thing and she's not happy here obviously this is all him just not either giving her all the reasons in the world to distrust him.

Absolutely. June 17th, 2007. Nancy gets home, returned home while Chris was, I guess, in a show in Columbus, Georgia. And Nancy has a recorded message, I guess, at 4.01 p.m. She said, grow up. That's her recorded message, I guess, at 4.01 p.m. She said, grow up. That's her recorded message. Then 22 minutes later, I guess this was voicemail, answer the phone. I need to know what the plan is.

That's 4.01, 4.35 p.m. If I end up having to throw away any food again tonight, again for tonight and tomorrow, I will not be cooking any meals for anyone for a very long time. So like, I'm trying to cook. You're going to be fucking me home to eat it or not because if i have to cook this shit for nobody and throw it out i'm gonna be pissed which is very fair um exceedingly fair he got home from columbus at 16 minutes past midnight on monday june 18th let himself in through the security gate and didn't deactivate the alarm so the fayette County 911 Center was alerted.

A sheriff's deputy came out, and that happened again a few days later, too. The same shit happened here. Later that day, Nancy talked on the phone for two hours with her friend Pam Clark here. Nancy told Pam that Daniel was attending a summer horse riding day camp at next-door neighbor's place there, the Holly. told Pam that Daniel was attending a summer horse riding day camp at

next door neighbor's place there, Holly. And they also discussed Nancy's concerns over the search for a school and all this type of shit. They also talked about Nancy's struggles with Chris over basically his controllingness, the lack

of sex and money problems, because he's given money where she doesn't want him to be. She also specifically mentioned arguments over the life insurance policy and that she thinks he's having an affair. So all this shit's coming out. She also said that his mood swings were unbearable. She said he would pick a fight over almost nothing at all. She said she needed to get away to visit visit her parents in florida or sister in north carolina or even move to one of those places just who knows i just need to get the fuck out of here

she's at the end of a rope you know what i mean um she said that chris has been physically abusive and she's also afraid of him she tells her friend and she said she was keeping evidence of the domestic violence in a safe place oh boy said i. Said, I have evidence, safe place. Same thing Nicole did. Same thing Nicole Brown Simpson did. She said, quote, if anything happens to me, make sure people know that Chris did it. Oh, God. That's what she told her friend.

If it's that far, though, come on. That's what I mean. Oh, you can't do this. It's brutal. June 19, 2007, Chris flies to Charlotte for a WWE TV taping, returns to Georgia on Wednesday morning. This is how this goes here. When he's got a couple days off, he sleeps a whole shitload.

He gets tan. He goes to the tanning salon. He goes to the gym all the time. He has to get his body back in shape after you beat it up for a few days. He talked to a friend of his about his plans for the 4th of July as well. So he's planning on clearly being alive for the 4th of July at this point. 8.30 Friday morning, Chris drops Daniel off at Holly's Horse Camp, which is a great name for it. Holly's Horse Camp.

She said that she found it strange that he pulled up and dropped Daniel off and then drove off so quickly and recklessly, she said. But she said at least it's better than the day before when she didn't even he didn't even take him down the driveway. He just dropped Daniel off at the edge of the property and drove away. Walk up there, boy. Yeah, he's like six. It's a spread out big driveway. Go on up there. Yeah, he's like six. It's a spread out big driveway. Go on up there. So anyway, Chris drove drives to Carrollton, which is 40 miles northwest. He has an appointment with his doctor here, Dr. Phil Aston. And he the appointment wasn't till 1230. So they think maybe he got something to eat or some shit like that. He would go every couple of months to Aston for routine checkups and to get his all his prescriptions filled that's what he would do so uh he said he's just his regular aches and pains

but he said he's mildly depressed and wants to start taking zoloft again he tells his doctor says i think i need it so he discussed his marriage with his doctor as well because he said he was depressed the doctor said what's wrong so he said well um nancy's been acting quote moody and bitchy lately and um he was wondering if she's experiencing early onset menopause okay that's how dumb we are it's weird i'm out all the time i'm being a total dick i'm not really paying attention to her i'm probably more than likely fucking other people and she notices this and i'm on tons of drugs maybe she's just a fucking maybe it's just her hormones right that's why she's upset with that she's clearly a hormonal bitch right yeah clearly going through the change

right that's right now i believe okay good so 30s is when they become shrews, right? Yeah. She's 43. The doctor goes, it's a little young, 43. Probably not. We're going to go with you're kind of a dick, probably. He said that he, the doctor said that he would see her professionally after the 4th of July. And he said, you know, if she wants to come here, I won't mention our conversation to her. So this is a very like Don Draper, Mad Men fucking way of taking your wife to see somebody. Keep this a secret.

This is between us. No shit. On the way out, he was cordial, chatted with the office staff, posed for a picture, signed some autographs for the other patients. He can't even go to the fucking doctor without signing autographs. That's annoying. On the way home, he talked to hardcore Holly. And he asked, well, how's everything with Nancy? Everything better?

And Chris said, quote, she's been acting like Hitler, but we're working it out. What? Hitler. Hitler. What does that mean? She's rounding up the Jews. Jimmy, it's obvious. What do you think?

She's been saying some really anti-Semitic shit. It's really wild, man. She's talking about the camps, and I'm like, listen listen i don't think this is correct here this is terrible so it's at this point he meets up with a friend named ray rawls at the mcdonald's on i-85 here uh he he worked under that he's a wrestler trying to be named rick michaels which you're never going to get hired in the wwe if your name is rick michaels because they have a sean michaels so that's a problem uh now this guy looked up to uh chris a lot i guess this rawls guy would he actually did get hired by wwe but was fired after he was arrested for sexual exploitation of a minor oh boy which you don't want to really have those people in this corporate family environment really that's

that goofy can't have kid diddling on his resume at disney world you know what i mean that guy has to work in the kitchen he can't work with the kids like he can't they can't be fucking shouting his support you know they're working pirate cove doling out burritos yeah that's what you're doing give out the turkey legs asshole so he said though everybody else threw him away but chris kept up their connection and uh chris told him i live in a glass house myself so i don't throw stones that's what he said that's what he told him i'd be like i don't live anywhere near that house or that neighborhood and my my house is not made out of the even close to the same material your house is made out of.

We all live in glass houses. You live in a rice paper house because you're a child molester. It's a lot easier to poke through a rice paper house. That's where you live. You're allowed to throw nothing inside. If it rains, it dissolves. That's how fucking precarious your house is. It's very bad. I want a paper airplane to level that fucking plane.

So this guy also made a bunch of tights. He airbrushed tights and made the tights. So that's a very specific thing, and they would be a few hundred dollars a pop for some of them. And more the more complicated they are. Like those robes we've talked about. The guys, Macho Man, Ric Flair, these crazy robes they come out with back in the day. Five, seven, ten grand they were spending out of their pockets in the 80s on those robes because that's their whole presentation. And this guy even said Chris was real generous when he'd give him some tights, whatever price he quoted him, Chris would give him an extra hundred bucks on there as a tip.

Shit like that. So Chris had recently been moved to the ECW roster, which WWE owned at this point. They put him in because he's an original kind of an original ECW guy and they try. It wasn't doing well. They're trying to bring attention to it by putting a major star in it. That's how it works. He was a champion. So this guy said, what do you think about that?

Chris said, as long as I can wrestle, it's all I care about. It's all good. I don't give a shit. It's fine. By the way, Chris would take Daniel to meet this guy sometimes. Would you take your kid to meet the guy who was arrested for sexually exploiting a minor? I think I'm leaving Daniel home on that one. No. Especially if you have an ex-wife. She can use that against you anywhere. I would say so um so anyway they talked at the mcdonald's for a while and uh all that shit this rawls guy he mentioned he was working uh you know working a lot and he's real tired he goes i'm just kind of tired he said chris perked up and he said

i know what to do you're tired this is what you do i have a formula check this out what you get is a mixture of this. You got to mix them together. Goody's headache powder, Red Bull energy drink, and some yellow jackets. What? Yeah. Basically, yellow jackets are every time the FDA bans whatever, like, you know, truckers buy at a gas station counter that like pills that keep them up whenever they they ban that then they come out with something new this is whatever iteration of

this is so he says you mix the three of these together and you are fucking ready to go you're wired it's legal speed apparently yeah uh so he said yeah they sell it all over here. And he said, Chris said, no matter how tired I am, it makes me feel like Superman. So, yeah, this guy said, and I quote, Chris insisted that I get some goodies with Red Bull and yellow jackets right away. There was a BP service station across the way, and he said BP carried yellow jackets. He told me to follow him there in my car but they didn't have any then chris said he was sure uh he'd find them at the bp closer to his house and i'll call you back when i do and then he took off and this guy went wow he's fucking wired and that's why i guess he's that guy's real busy yeah so that day this is the you know uh that day he uh

he talks to uh a guy on the phone a salesmanman at a local Hummer dealership about selling one of their Hummers. He ordered the pool cleaners out to come clean the pool and all that kind of shit. He talked to Nancy, who was at a public shopping for a cookout in the backyard. Pool guy showed up, and Chris was flipping meat on the grill daniel was out there with him they're both wearing swim trunks just having a nice night at home right that's friday june 22nd now friday june 22nd 2007 records show at 9 25 p.m the 411 information if you're not from the united states if you 411 is for information to get a number that process to request from the Benoit home phone for the number of the Fayetteville police. Now, what they gave them was a non emergency number that was not didn't really go anywhere.

They didn't even give them like an emergency number. So anyway, they didn't call that number. anywhere they didn't even give them like an emergency number so in any way they didn't call that number so at 9 32 and also they're they have to call the county sheriff for this place it's not in the town proper so at 9 32 p.m the records show that there was a call from the benoit home phone to holly the next door neighbor to her cell holly consonant cell so to her cell and then another a minute later when she didn't answer and then another at 10 p.m and she didn't answer no voice messages were left here um none so three days later though after this whole whole deal here holly says she remembers the phone ringing on friday night and she just it was, oh, it's late. I'm not going to answer.

And she obviously is regretful of that here. Guilt-ridden. Yeah. So Saturday, June 23, 2007, the next day, WWE has a house show in Beaumont, Texas. They have a pay-per-view the next night in Houston for ECW called Vengeance, Saturday night house show in in uh in beaumont texas beaumont yeah beaumont 8 30 saturday morning chris left uh hardcore holly a voice message he said daniel uh or no i'm sorry this is holly the next door neighbor he said is daniel supposed to be at horse camp today if so he can't make it because he's sick um holly took the message

in the afternoon and she was like that's weird um nancy knows the nancy knows when the horse camp is why didn't she he just asked nancy she knows it's only during the week it's not on weekdays and she said also it's weird because chris is quote somewhat anti-social so it's pretty weird that he would call me to initiate a conversation he would have nancy call me yeah why would he do that so at 301 p.m holly called chris back they talked for nine minutes which is a lengthy conversation honestly think about nine minutes of talking to someone you don't really know that well so long long time uh chris asked if anyone in her family had been sick because he said he's asking because daniel been up all night, which with what he thinks is food poisoning. But he's that's why he's asking them.

Maybe it's the flu. You know, he said he felt bad that he could do nothing for poor little Daniel. He was so sick. He said Nancy also has food poisoning, but it's not as bad as Chris's or as Daniel. So Chris said he's fine feeling great. But Daniel and Nancy are going to lay low for a few days and try to get over this because they were at one point he'll say they were vomiting blood wow that's a lot of food poisoning so that's a hospital case of food poisoning yeah when i see blood that's hospital time blood from somewhere that where it shouldn't be that's a hospital if you're bleeding and i

can't see what you're bleeding from that could be anywhere yeah i need to know uh it could be your fucking inside of your eyeballs for all i know i gotta check this out i don't know what gets to the stomach or how i'm not a doctor as we've covered ged remember so he uh he said that um you know they were gonna lie low and um she said he sounded very calm and normal just like yeah they're gonna be sick and it's all good she said later on that she's like, oh, Chris was discouraging me from calling Nancy or coming over. That's what he was doing. They're real sick. Stay away. Cause she talked to Nancy all the time. Apparently, um, another guy who would name Michael Parker, he just been released for after a tryout with WWE. So he just didn't make it. he left Chris a message on his cell about wrestling shit at 157 Chris called him back Saturday afternoon left a return message

which this guy will save forever and in this one his words he sounds slurred Chris's words sound slurred he doesn't sound sharp or there's something wrong and Chris says quote I'm talking shit I don't know what the details of your situation are off the top of my head it sounds like you got shafted over and that

really fucking sucks nothing's better than experience and you've got that hope you're doing well i've missed you the last couple of weeks wanted to point that out when you can give me a call oh boy so he said that um yeah that's that. Then at three thirty p.m., he sends a message to Chavo Chavo Guerrero and he says Chavo Guerrero Jr., the wrestler. And he says and this is from the police report, says a co-worker received a voice message from Benoit that Chavo Guerrero. The message stated that he missed his flight and overslept and would be late to the WWE live event he'd have to take the next plane to Houston and drive to Beaumont so it's gonna be a while um yeah I'm still in Atlanta yeah then he said at the end I love you in a very weird way which is strange so um now Chavo said he was unsettled by the weird, the tone and demeanor of the call was weird. Uh, the over the top, I love you was weird. He's like, it was very weird. So Shavo called him back 12 minutes later and he just left a voicemail saying, just call me. Benoit returned the call, but Shavo couldn't pick it up. So I missed it too. Yep. And his message, Benoit, that, you know, he said, I'm just

having a real stressful day due to Daniel and Nancy being sick with food poisoning and it's just a lot of stress. So you know, whatever. Sorry. 3.44 p.m. Benoit called Guerrero back saying that he didn't answer the call because he was on the phone with Delta Airlines changing his flight.

And that's when he said, I've had a stressful day. All right, man, if you need to talk, you know, whatever. That's when he talks i've had a stressful day all right man if you need to talk um you know whatever that's when he talks to guerrero and they get back blah blah blah at the end of the conversation he says shavo i love you which is way he said the guys will say i love you all they'll be like hey i love you man but they're not like shavo i love you that's you know what i mean specific to you and very like listen remember this moment this isn't casual um so and guerrero will later on say that benoit sounded off when he talked to him he said especially the emphasis on i love you it was a very strong emphasis so uh then they called

him the the office calls him wwe office calls him and he says that or I'm sorry, the referee that gives him a ride from the airport all the time calls him. And he said that, you know, that Nancy's vomiting blood and Daniel's vomiting also. So I'm at the hospital with them. That's what I'm doing. So he doesn't show up for the shot. Eventually, they said, listen, by the time you get in, it's going to be too late for the show anyway. Just come in and, you know, get some rest and get ready for the pay-per-view tomorrow. Just do that.

How about that? So, yeah, that's how that all goes. And, by the way, during this Saturday, he does some computer searches. He does computer searches for Elijah on Wikipedia. And apparently Chris went to that page at 402, whatever it is, a book of Kings chapter 17, New Testament book of Kings chapter 17,

tells the story of Elijah being sent to a widow. The son of the widow dies and Elijah takes the child from his mother and stretched out on him three times in his own bed. Elijah pleads to God to restore the boy's soul to his body. Oh, boy. Yahweh listened to the voice of Elijah, and the soul of the child came into him again, and he was revived. He's looking up resurrections is what he's looking up. How do I resurrect my son?

That's what he's looking up. I've done something terrible. Jesus fucking Christ. looking up how do i resurrect my son that's what he's looking up i've done something terrible yeah um jesus fucking christ so yeah um yeah that's what he's looking up he looks that all up there and um that's one of the only things he looks up uh later on obviously they everybody theorizes why else would he look that up if the only time he's looking that up is now um she also later on we heard and this we don't know if this is true or not but nancy's sister will say that uh that the search history on benoit's computer showed that he had researched quickest and easiest way to break a neck as well so sunday night june 24 2007 is pay-per-view uh ecw vengeance pay-per-view ECW vengeance pay-per-view Chris is scheduled to win the ECW title this night right

okay so he's going to be champ of ECW he continues talking and texting with people throughout Saturday Sunday afternoon people are still texting him and all this I don't know what's happened at all Chris Jericho text him and said just heard

that Wellington died of a heart attack this weekend who was a wrestler they knew him from canada so uh on sunday at five sunday three or five text messages were sent to co-workers between the hours of 351 and 358 am four o'clock in the morning four o'clock in the morning, Sunday morning, Saturday night, Chris is sending text messages to Shavo, sending messages to all sorts of shit, right? Five different text messages from Chris and Nancy's phones, by the way. All of the messages are, my physical address is so-and-so, so-and-so. The dogs are locked here. The side door by the garage is open.

That's the same. That's a text he sends to everybody, which is really fucking weird. Guerrero Chavo says he got woken up by the text, looked at him and was like, what the fuck? What does this make sense? And he was like, he said in his hazy stage, you know, stage, he said he thought maybe that like when you're on planes and stuff and we know that sometimes a text doesn't come through and then sometimes like a day later you'll get a text and you're like what are you talking about and someone's like i sent that to you a day and a half ago we're like how the fuck did it get lost but when you're traveling and your phone's in and

out of service that happens sometimes so he was confused and was like oh this must be from like another time or i don't know why the fuck would he send me on my address and he went back to sleep rather than calling chris and going bro why are you sending me your address at fucking 3 30 in the morning so um anyway uh the flight that he's supposed to be on arrives at the airport Sunday morning in Houston at eight o'clock and he's not on it there's no no Chris um uh late Sunday morning actually, Benoit called WWE's talent relations office stating that his son was vomiting and Nancy and they were at the hospital. And then he's going to be taking a later flight to Houston where he's going to go up against CM Punk for the championship here. So that's what he's doing.

That's his plan. Again, the sheriff's logs also during this point has known omissions of phone calls that they several phone calls made by John Laurinaitis, who's Johnny Ace, one of the talent guys for WWE. These are at 427, 446 and 625 p.m., 825 p.m. during the show and 1156 p.m. Afterward other numerous there were numerous other calls from WWE cell phones plus two others from cell phone numbers in Stanford, which is where WWE is Connecticut 421 p.m. A phone call from a cell phone in Florida here. He gets that 432 a landline in California who they believe it's Ray Mysterio for that one for 40. The referee, Scott Armstrong here calling them about all of this saying, what time do you land and all this type of shit for 43 and 626 from a WWE cell phone as well.

and 626 from a WWE cell phone as well. 750 from a phone at the Toyota Center in Houston. Several calls from Canada. His ex-wife calls. One of his old friends from Canada calls him. No calls from Chavo Guerrero during this time, though. What? Which is weird. And no calls besides the what time do you land from the Armstrong guy either,

which is very interesting here now uh that's during the afternoon here comes monday june 24 2007 chris doesn't show up for this pay-per-view so that's why they were happened now that's why they call him now first of all we have to say that chris never doesn't show up for anything ever yeah he worked with a broken neck for a year before he got it like he he will work forever and he does not no show he's just not one of those guys professionalism is first and foremost and the company had a a car ready to pick him up yeah and no answer no answer no call no call no show he's not a guy to miss a house show never mind a pay-per-view you don't miss

a pay-per-view that's crazy so he knows he's about to be champion yeah that's the bit and he's the main event of the pay-per-view he's not missing that everything yep so monday june 24th um they uh or monday june 25th i'm sorry the wwe they arrive in corpus christi for w Raw, which is to take place the next night. So they haven't heard from Benoit in over 24 hours now. Yeah, that's crazy. So Guerrero allegedly here shows John Laurinaitis the text messages that they had received saying, you know, here's my address and all this kind of shit. So the WWE contacts their security guy. They call the first.

That's when the WWE calls Ben was home at 11 a.m. on Monday. Okay. A little more than an hour later, their security guy, this Fagan guy calls someone in the sheriff's office who told him that you got to ask for a nine one. You got to call 911 and ask for a welfare check if you want to check up on him. So they end up doing that. At 1.41 p.m., the 9-1-1 dispatcher tells Fagan that

the Benoit's front gate is locked and that the officers are being deterred by two German shepherds barking at them. Okay, so that's going on. So he says, well, the message, this is the Fagan guy, WWE guy, he says, the message that this is the Fagan guy, WWE guy. He says the message that we got, like I said, he left a message at three o'clock in the morning for another wrestler. The gates open. So he's like, you know, what the fuck here? What's going on? So Fagan didn't understand that there's two gates.

There's the door. The garage side door to the garage is open, not the main gate. It's a different thing. Either way, there's dogs running around so what the fuck his next call to 9-1-1 here is at 2 13 p.m and he reported that um that they had just gotten back to him with more info this is chavo guerrero basically the cops are like how do we get in around these dogs is there anybody that we can you know call to deal with these dogs at one point this, this Fagin guy says, can't they taser them, put them to sleep? Shoot the goddamn thing.

Hey, fuck you. How's that? Wow, man. Jesus. How about we just ask around and see if anyone can grab them first before we start killing dogs? Got a milk bone? I mean, what are we talking about? We'll put some cyanide in it.

It'll be great. So Shavo tells them that Chris has a neighbor that takes care of the dogs when they leave. So maybe ask her. So they go and they contact Holly. Poor Holly. Jesus Christ. They call Holly. Holly comes over. So she gets over there.

This is 2.45 p.m. She gets over there. This is 2.45 p.m. And Holly walks in, takes the dogs, you know, goes, brings them inside. She runs out of the house and says, Daniel and Nancy have been murdered. They've killed the family. She saw them both. Screaming. Well, we'll talk about it here.

135. We'll get it in detail in a second to deputy deputy donna monday and lieutenant uh larry alden and lieutenant at larry friday had pulled up to the front of the benoit property here and um uh they get there and uh they they said that you could scale the fence this is a the thing with the dogs. So anyway, they, Holly goes in, um, takes the dogs in. They got the dogs by the way to protect Daniel from people,

which is the crazy part here. Um, and the night before the dogs had gotten out of the, where they usually were because the Holly was going to, uh, made a note to give to them to complain about, Hey, the dogs got out there barking online.

I could hear him. They're really annoying, right? Uh, the dogs, by the way, names are carny and high spot which are wrestling wrestling terms so um anyway she puts the german shepherds in through the unlocked door on the side of the garage leading into the house um short flight of stairs to the mud room that's where the dog's kennels are she puts the dogs dogs in the kennels. Anyway, it's a warm afternoon here. It's June and low 80s, but Georgia 80s, so a little humid.

You want that central AC on, but it's off in the house. Oh, boy. And they said there was an odor in the air. They said it was just like a stagnant something. They couldn't put it out on it. Three days or something. Yeah. Holly calls out nancy daniel

just you know calling out throughout the house she went up two flights of steps to the upper level to look in daniel's bedroom and uh in the bedroom there is there is uh you know he's got it's all his dad in there it's posters of his dad wrestling wrestling figures of his dad, championship T-shirts of his championship belts, all this shit in there. He idolizes his dad. Daniel is wearing a long sleeve blue SpongeBob T-shirt and pajama pants with soccer and baseball on them, you know, like a little kid would wear. Lying in bed on his stomach, left cheek on the pillow, overturned down covers like someone tucked him in. Next to him were two stuffed Winnie the Pooh doll, stuffed animals, and a My First Bible, a children's edition of the New Testament.

They were propped on his hand, which was out. It was in his hand. They were propped on his hand, which was out. It was in his hand. His right leg was touching, his foot was touching his left knee there. She thought Daniel was sleeping at first. And walked in closer and saw that his face was discolored. It was dried up foam around his mouth.

Obviously, this kid isn't sleeping. She freaks out and runs down the stairs. Um, on the way down the stairs, she gets down the stairs. The next thing she sees is she knows there's a home office that Nancy hangs out in and watches TV over here. So she figured she'll stop over there on the way out that room. Also same shit,

all sorts of wrestling shit in there. Nancy is lying on her right side on the hardwood floor a red fringe throw rug covering everything except her head and her feet she faced the wall sitting between the uh sitting area and the wet bar they said a pillow askew leaning against a messy her hair is up it. She's matted down. Another Bible, this is a regular adult version here, is laying next to her as well. She's in a white tank top,

blue striped pajama bottoms. Her hands are tied together behind her back at shoulder blade level with a coaxial cable. Way high. Way high. He fucking cranked her hands behind her back. Then a second cable, along with a small white rope, from there wrapped around her neck.

And her feet were bound with the electric cord with the cord from an electric charger secured by black tape. So she was. This is fucking horrible. Tied up, bound, strangled and fucking taped and everything. It's disgusting. So, yeah, her and fucking taped and everything. It's disgusting. So, yeah, her face was black and blue. Her stomach was bloated already. And her arms were already in an advanced state of decomposition here.

Wow. So if you're Holly, you're like, holy shit. You are hot tailing it the fuck out of there. High tail, whatever you're doing. You're getting the fuck out of there. So, high? I think it's high. It's high tail. You're getting out. You're hot footing out of there high tail whatever you're doing you're getting the fuck out of there so hi i think it's high you're getting out you're hot footing out of there and high tail hot footing hot footing hot footing and high tailing it out of there i like hot tailing too

sounds like there's someone on your on your on your tail and you're running from it's on fire you better get away from it so she runs out fucking to the officers they say stay in the driveway while we go inside where are they first of all that she tells them um so uh they do that they're in there for a while though and she gets so scared she calls 9-1-1 and says they asked me to hop the fence and fix the dogs and tells them the whole story and the boy and the mom are dead and they went in there and she said i didn't go down in the basement for some reason i don't know where i didn't see mr benoit he might be dead too where are the cops basically they've been in there for so long maybe chris has got them or something are they okay so 911 had to radio them and they said no we're okay and then they told her no

they're okay in there don't worry about it so it'll remind her business fuck so the cops uh were in the basement at this point where they found chris uh he was sitting upright on a bench facing a magnum fitness weight machine he's uh got no shirt on wearing red gym shorts and socks and sneakers left leg was extended right leg bent at the knee foot tucked under his left thigh like one of those like you're sitting on it um the he had a black nylon weight machine cable around his neck and a strip of white towel was underneath it you know to keep it from being too uncomfortable you know you don't want to do that he no he was being held in the sitting position by a cable which went through all the pulleys and shit and had 150 pounds

of weight on it from the machine. The weight also had been, he also put two 40-pound dumbbells on top of that. Wow. And the weight was lifted and Benoit's still holding the whole thing together. Jesus Christ. He didn't break his neck or anything. He just choked to death.

He just strangled himself. He just strangled himself to death, which is fucking... That's brutal, man.'s well it's as brutal as what he did to everybody else you know what i mean at some point during his dying though he had to go god damn it that wasn't enough yeah no shit he had two cell phones with him his and nancy's uh some green tea nearby and an empty bottle of dynamite vineyards 2004 merlot which he probably bought because it's called dynamite and he likes the dynamite i guarantee so uh no signs of forced entry or anything like that obviously um they ended up 19 different

other personnel come into the house fanno out across the house they're looking for everything animal control takes custody of the dogs and several kittens. They were found in one bathroom. They have to notify the family and all this type of shit. Now, by 6 p.m., World Wrestling Entertainment puts on

their website, WWE was informed today by authorities in Fayette County, Georgia that WWE superstar Chris Benoit, his wife, Nancy and son were found dead in their home. Authorities are investigating, but no other details are available at this time. So they did that. The police notified the WWE of the bodies at 415 p.m. OK, informing them they discovered the three bodies at the Benoit home, and now it's considered a major crime scene, the home. And the Fagan guy kept checking back and forth with 9-1-1 calling down there as well.

So at 441, WWE vice president here, he calls 9-1-1 to leave a message for a sheriff's lieutenant. He said that the lieutenant had relayed a request for certain information in the Benoit investigation, and this all goes on. So this guy, the vice president, said that he had returned this guy's voice messages, but then they were calling 911 even though he already talked to a cop. It's very weird. It's very weird. So the way this works is, anyway, they never found any evidence of anybody with broken, like Chris with a broken neck.

He strangled to death, which is why the search for easily break a neck is weird. Maybe he thought he couldn't because he's got his neck's bigger than his head. So maybe that would have been hard. Yeah, maybe he just, I think he fucked up. Perhaps he was on drugs. Too much wine. Who knows? I will talk about our theories here. But anyway, in a second.

One other thing is there's a currently there was blood tissue samples from the bodies at the scene. At the scene, one of the technicians observed a discolored smudge on Chris's left index finger near the knuckle on the thumb side and thought it was a friction burn from tying the knots on the cable that bound Nancy. Also saw dried blood on the bridge of Chris's nose and in the nail bed of his right index finger, which if you made your finger bleed and you itch your nose, you have blood on your nose now. So they said that the tissue samples weren't collected during autopsy because they could no longer find the areas of blood. They think they were maybe rubbed off by either went away by moisture and the humid air down there or rubbed off by the body bag rubbing on his nose. Dried blood. It makes sense.

So they collect paperwork um all sorts of shit there was folders in nancy's office financial records household you know shit credit card statements insurance tax documents everything you could imagine in here fucking fan mail inside a small refrigerator in the office's wet bar, they found several small bottles labeled recombinant human growth hormone from a Chinese company called Gene Science Pharmaceutical Company, LTD. The bag with the growth hormone also contained syringes. So they took a desktop computer from the office and did all of that. The cell phones near the body and the home answering machines were impounded. Evidence shit they're doing, basically.

They ended up in the upstairs master bedroom. They spotted two boxes with prescription labels from Jones Pharmacy in Fayetteville. The prescribing physician was Phil Aston, the doctor he sees every once in a while. They contained March and May 2007 prescriptions of testosterone. That night and the next day, they would locate supplies of many other prescription medications

for both Chris and Nancy, including Soma's muscle relaxer, hydrocodone, which is a painkiller, Xanax, and then naproxcodone which is a painkiller uh xanax yeah um yeah and then naproxen which is just like a leaf yeah that's no naproxen is a leaf it's an anti-inflammatory drug isn't that that steroid for like isn't it oh you're you're right you're right and they might it might be in steroids to calm something down i don't mean like it's not a steroid no i just mean

like a a prescribed steroid what is that i forget what that shit's called it't mean like it's not a steroid no i just mean like a a prescribed steroid what is that i forget what that shit's called it doesn't know it's not if you're like over 50 and play tennis you take naproxen for your fucking sore shoulder or whatever it's high dose uh ibuprofen yeah that's all except yeah except naproxen it's a different thing it's so a different uh drug so uh ambien as well also Zoloft there, and Cymbalta, which is also an antidepressant. And they also say they found additional things, the family later on, because within a very short amount of time, Nancy's family just moves into the house. Really? Which is really weird.

Into the house that she was killed in? Yeah. I guess they're just taking possession of it. I don't know what. But they said they found additional steroids, syringes, and other prescriptions and everything else in a suitcase in a walk-in closet somewhere buried. They had another big stash apparently there. So, yeah. They didn't release all of the computer information to the public.

They said only the relevant shit basically here. Um, so the WWE that night has to decide what to do. They have a Monday night raw going on live that night. Oh, this is ugly. What the fuck do we do? The weird part is this was supposed to be the continuation of the storyline of Vince McMahon is dead.

His limo got blown up and it was just like a, you know, who killed Vince McMahon storyline. It was stupid. And blown up and it was just like a, you know, who killed Vince McMahon storyline. It was stupid. And, um, they, uh,

um, that's what they're supposed to do, but they obviously cancel it. And, um, they cancel the whole show, the whole, they supposed to be of an audience full and everything else there.

And instead on the website, they release a, uh, a statement saying chris was beloved among his fellow superstars and was a favorite among wwe fans for his unbelievable athleticism and wrestling ability he always took great pride in his performance and always showed respect for the business he loved for his peers and toward his fans this is a terrible tragedy and an unbearable loss wwe extends its sincere condolences and prayers to the surviving members Oh, boy.

Infinite. That's the ultimate get it right before getting it first. Get it first before getting it right. That's what they're doing. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, I got you. It's the ultimate lesson in get it right before getting it first. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, I got you. It's the ultimate lesson in get it right before getting it first. Yeah, exactly.

So they start out, empty arena, and it's Vince McMahon in the ring with a microphone. He says, good evening. Tonight, this arena here in Corpus Christi, Texas, was to have been filled to capacity with enthusiastic WWE fans. Tonight's storyline was to have been the alleged demise of my character, Mr. McMahon. Tonight's storyline was to have been the alleged demise of my character, Mr. McMahon. However, in reality, WWE superstar Chris Benoit, his wife Nancy, and their son Daniel are dead. Their bodies were discovered this afternoon in their new suburban Atlanta home. The authorities are undergoing an investigation.

We here in the WWE can only offer our condolences to the extended family of Chris Benoit. And the only other thing we can do at this moment is tonight pay tribute to Chris Benoit. Oh, Vince. We will offer you some of the most memorable moments in Chris's professional life, and you'll hear comments from his peers, those here, his fellow performers, and those who loved Chris and admired him so much. So tonight will be a three-hour tribute to one of the greatest WWE superstars of all time. Tonight will be a tribute to Chris Benoit. Ah!

Here's a three-hour tribute to Security Systems' Man of the Year, Dennis dennis raider wow holy fucking shit oh boy for the jesus christ the uh what the hell is it the uh decalb county junior jc's man of the year john wayne gabe big round of applause for john any clowns for sick children nice guy so okay now that's the first night the next night it's completely now we've got information and we fucked up the problem is they knew what happened well before this went on the air really that's the problem yeah they knew what and they're trying to say we didn't know about it till this time and by then it was too late but they knew about it before that and that's the big that's the big point they put out wwe puts out one timeline of how it happened and what they knew when they knew it it's like

watergate at this point and then on, they put out another timeline. That's not exactly the same as their first timeline and, uh, makes them seem less knowing and shit like that. So now Tuesday night, Vince McMahon standing there again. Okay. And he says,

good evening, ladies and gentlemen, last night on Monday night, raw, the WWE presented a special tribute show, recognizing the career of chris benoit however now some 26 hours later the fact of this horrible tragedy the facts of this horrible tragedy are now apparent therefore other than my comments there will be no mention of

mr benoit's name tonight on the contrary tonight's show will be dedicated to everyone who has been affected by this terrible incident this evening marks the first step of the healing process. Tonight, WWE performers will do what they do better than anyone else in the world, entertain you. No more. And that's that he kind of became known as like, you know, his name will never be spoken here. Yeah. Guy. It's fucking so stupid.

He who we don't mention his name. Yep. He whose name shall not be mentioned. So toxicology reports here. Jesus. The toxicology reports, they found hydrocodone and Xanax in Nancy's system. She had a blood alcohol level of.184. So that's a little over twice the legal limit.

She's in her own house. 184. So that's a little over twice the legal limit. She's in her own house. But they don't know if they don't know, by the way, if this could be raised by the decomposition process. So they don't know after a couple of days, three days, possibly. They don't know if 48 hours. They don't know if that could raise the level. So that's not an accurate reading. She had something in there, but they don't know if that's an accurate reading. she had something in there but they don't know if that's an accurate reading daniel had xanax at elevated levels in his system really he drugged him so he wouldn't struggle so he wouldn't have to hear his son beg for his life oh that's fucked up man that's um that's that's crazy yep that's what it is that's um fucking gross um chris Benoit is positive for Xanax and hydrocodone. Both

were at therapeutic levels. The only steroid found in his system was testosterone, which was at a 59 to 1 level. Holy. Which is 10 times the amount you should have. Basically, it's a lot more. He's always on. That's what she's saying. He's always doing this. He's

constantly on this level because he has to stay that size or else he's not going to have anything else. No evidence of GHB was found in the bodies, which was initially suspected because wrestlers use GHB a lot. And that's an easy way to put someone to sleep. So they said, you know, they asked the doctor, is it because of the testosterone? Why are you freaked out? And the guy's like, what the fuck should I know? I don't know.

I don't know this guy. No idea. of the testosterone why he freaked out and the guy's like what the fuck should i know i don't know i don't know this guy no idea um they said that daniel's body was just starting to show signs of decomposition due to the small amount of urine they were able to get from his body they were unable to do a test for levels of human growth hormone and we'll talk about why they would want to test him for human growth hormone in a moment here they said the drugs in nancy's body were therapeutic levels however they could have been lower due to the decomposition process. The doctor also said he wouldn't be surprised if she was taking the medications because of previous surgeries and pain. So there's also that. They

said that there was clear evidence, the doctor said, that Daniel Benoit was sedated before he was killed. He says there's no evidence of any other illegal steroids in his body except the testosterone. And the testosterone could reveal that he was being treated for what we said. He's got a prescription for all this bullshit. So he also says it would be, you can't, they made sure to keep saying that you can't pin down Nancy's blood alcohol level, so she might not have been that much alcohol in her at all. So they said a suicide note was not discovered in the initial investigation, but later on it was discovered. Where the hell was it?

In a Bible that had been among his shit. He wrote it out and stuck it in the fucking Bible, just stuck it in the pages of the Bible. And no one knew. That ended up going with his two children in Canada. His ex-wife ended up with that. And I guess Benoit's father ended up with his Bible. And he said that Chris left a handwritten note in there saying I'm preparing to leave this earth so it was a suicide note

they found a they don't think it's her only one that's the thing she has a safe deposit box Nancy does at Wachovia Bank Branch in Peachtree City and in there they find a trove of pictures of Nancy with facial bruises

however they determined, based on the period of the pictures were taken, these are from the Kevin Sullivan marriage. Wow. These are what she was saving from Kevin Sullivan doing this to her. So we don't know if the Benoit ones are somewhere else. So that's what we have known.

They've never been found, so we don't know. They had a memorial for Kristen or from sorry for Nancy and Daniel in Daytona Beach not till July because it was just so raw they were cremated here and they were placed in starfish shaped urns Chris is also cremated

but no one knows it's not been publicly revealed revealed what happened to him now the doctor that's been prescribing him all these tests to all this fucking testosterone here the aston guy uh with a search warrant the drug enforcement agency raided his joint uh here and uh stayed there collecting all sorts of shit it was a four-hour raid aston told the media he prescribed testosterone to benoit in the past and then obviously it was all found at his house and all shit like that. So the state medical examiner's board also had taken action against him in May of 2001 because his physician profile failed to say that he had been disciplined in 2001.

So his privileges at a medical center had been suspended for three months for reasons related to competence or character those are both bad for a doctor yeah uh according to their um here i guess the medical board fined him 500 and ordered him to correct his profile so uh now there's a diary here um apparently uh that they find later on i guess ed Eddie had told him to keep a diary. That's why he keeps a diary. So during this weekend, at some point, he threw out a bunch of shit in an outside trash can. And in that was his diary that he kept after Eddie's death here.

Somehow they didn't get it at first. And Nancy's family said they might have attempted to dispose of the diary because it was probably too unpleasant to confront their grief um but they you know they didn't hear they decided it was better to uh whatever um they said uh perhaps they also didn't want it to to strengthen chris's side of the family's case that he suffered from dementia and wasn't responsible for his actions you know they wanted him to They wanted to be mad at him, which makes sense. So the diary includes rambling biblical references as well as passages directly addressed to Guerrero in the beyond.

Yuck. Yeah. Other than that, he talks about his father read a passage on a TV show or a radio interview or something. Said, my wife Nancy bought me a diary and I have started to write letters to Eddie. It may sound crazy, but that's how I'm coping. Is he writing to dead Eddie? Writing to dead Eddie.

Writing to dead Eddie. Oh, God. Not good. So, the WWE. Now, Jerry McDivitt, they're longtime attorneys. The guy who got Vince McMahon off steroid charges, all that shit. His account of, he says that he was complaining that they let the family move in too early and there's all this evidence shit.

The WWE does not contact Nancy's family at all. Ever? They don't even say, sorry, nothing. She worked for WCW for a long time. She's family at all. Ever? They don't even say sorry. Nothing. She worked for WCW for a long time. She's in the business. You call. Yeah, but someone calls.

Vince was just on TV. He said sorry. Yeah, that's one of those someone calls. If you're going to get yelled at, you take it on the chin. You do it because it's the right thing to do. December 2007, WWE rejects a deal offered

by the estate of Chris Benoit, setting the stage for a possible legal battle here. WWE balked at paying $2 million to Benoit's two surviving children from a previous marriage in recognition of their father's contributions to the company. They said, no, we're not doing it. So Michael Benoit, Chris's dad, who's overseeing the estate, is talking about lawsuits and all this type of shit. Yeah. So they're trying to say WWE is trying to say if we do that, then we're saying we're responsible for his steroid use and all this type of shit. Brain damage. You fucking name it here.

So I guess it would have just would have went to his children, this whole deal. So they said, had the WWE, uh, who is this? The lawyer? Yeah. Had the WWE taken the slightest interest in its wrestlers before it became the object of interest of district attorneys in the Congress, there is little doubt that Chris Benoit and his family would still be with us today. That's what they said here.

Now, the, uh, the, the state boxing commission is the governing body that regulates the state's boxing and mma as well as ticket brokers pro wrestling also falls under that but wwe has been exempt thanks to a 2005 statute that they wrote themselves i'm sure and fucking paid somebody to put in there because that's what they do in all these states that excluded groups with a total asset of more than 25 million dollars from having to fucking be regulated basically what you have to regulate all the shit ones but if we're big you should just trust that we do everything right that's what that means successful and doing the right thing yeah and we're not taking all this money because we're not spending it on the shit we should be spending it on here comes the wwe trying to put different theories out there we don't know if it started

with this this isn't where this theory started but they set it on fire this is like a some fucking dipshit on a message board says something and then some asshole on a particular cable news station gives it life and then people think it's true you know what i mean so pick your cable news station gives it life and then people think it's true you know what i mean so pick your cable news station doesn't matter so anyway uh that is that daniel had something called fragile x syndrome okay uh that that was the cause of the domestic problems in the benoit family was that daniel was ill and that they had to they fought so much over all of this and the stress of Daniel being ill is all of that. None of this shit from the past mentions Daniel barely at all, except, hey, how come you didn't call Daniel back? Right. That's not the deal here.

But they even say that because they found needle marks on Daniel's arm, okay, that they were wondering about. People suggested, I'm not not gonna say the wwe people it was also suggested we'll say that the needle marks on the arms were a result of hgh being injected into him by the family because they were worried about him being undersized due to fragile x so fragile x i don't know much about but it's described as like a form of autism that affects the physical stuff as well with much smaller kids and all that like that's what they were saying but don't worry hgh corrects it yes um so chris benoit or chris benoit chris jericho then came out and said that from his own research everything fits dan Daniel to a T all across the board.

So he backed them up and he was their best friend. So everyone just went, oh, that's probably what it was then. So Jericho said later on that, because no one knew that Daniel had this, if this was the case. Jericho said if Chris had decided that he wanted to keep it to himself, you wouldn't be able to pry that out of him with anything. Anyway, turns out that Daniel didn didn't have fragile x and chris said but at the time it made sense because i was grasping at straws it makes sense for him trying to figure out why his friend fucking did this that makes sense but um it did they found all of his medical records no

mention of any pre-existing mental or physical ailments teachers reported that he was on par with other students not held back not small not weird not you know physically ill nothing of these nature he was just a kid that ran around and played and he was fine so yeah he's fine um so anyway that's all of this shit. And it's fucking ridiculous. And you feel like the family, too, while all of these theories are being bandied about during the time that this happened, the family's got to feel like shit on both sides. Because it's so hard. And even the Benoit family, they want to believe that Chris couldn't help him help it. And he was brain damaged. And that's what they want to believe.

And then the other side doesn't want to. I would want to believe that. I want to believe that he couldn't control himself and he was some. Regardless of the side you're on, you'd love that. That's what I mean. You'd love that. If I was Nancy's family, I would want that to be the case because then I would say I've known this guy for 10 years.

Is my judgment that terrible? Did I miss something? So, I mean, you feel bad. You really do. I feel awful for these people. I really, really do. But not nearly as bad jimmy as i feel for chris benoit really senior support engineer at park place technologies in massachusetts

right chris benoit quote problem solver process optimizer seven times salesforce certified in the greater hartford area i don't like problem solver. Problem solver. Yeah. What's your, unless your problems, your wife and kid, I don't want to, uh,

Chris Benoit, vice president at anchor auto group in Rhode Island. Chris Benoit, business education teacher. Oh no, not a teacher. And, and also in Massachusetts.

And finally, and these are always the people I feel the worst for Chris Benoit, real estate agent in Vermont. Nope. Unreal. How are you doing? Chris Benoit. Nice to meet you. Next fucking day. I'm Chris Benoit. I am not doing this. You call me Chris B. Chrissy B. That's all I want to be known as. So the WWE immediately wants to take any attention off concussions or steroids, especially steroids, because that was a thing in the past that stung them once before. They announced that Benoit, the first thing they said is he passed his last drug test in April, which was two months ago. Right. So he couldn't have done it since then, I'm sure.

Yeah. And meanwhile, he had an exemption for the steroids anyway, so it didn't fucking matter. And they knew that as well as anybody, but they didn't tell the fucking press that. They just said, he passed his drug test, pal. You weren't destined for it. Yup. They put the wellness program in place after Eddie Guerrero's death and then ignored it completely, allegedly, because this happened. And then ignored it completely, allegedly, because this happened.

So, yeah, one of the guys here said that they don't. No one's real impressed with their testing procedures eventually or essentially is what they're saying here. They said they've seen guidelines. Brian Alvarez, who's a wrestling journalist, if you want to call it that, seen guidelines for the program and reported this. A wrestler can pass the doping test with a testosterone to epitestosterone ratio of 10 to 1, which is, I guess, double the standard. Under the rules, athletes are in violation. This is like the international rules.

They're in violation starting at 4 to 1. The average ratio is 1 to 1. So four times the average, and that's when you're in violation? so four times the average and that's when you're in violation no no that's when you're in violation in like international sports four to one wwe allows ten to one jesus which is more than twice what the international so it's it's ridiculous um and a wrestler who gets a positive test can be excused if he can get a doctor's note saying that it was justified so you don't even have to have it ahead of time if you fail he can get a doctor's note saying that it was justified so you don't even have to have it ahead of time if you fail you just get a doctor's note so kurt

angle who we know plenty of we did a whole episode about him he said well i think one thing wwe and tna needs is to do is to do is step back and take a look and listen to the wrestlers this is not wwe's fault and this is not v McMahon's fault Chris Benoit was responsible for his own actions the last sentence is very true and also the first one is not as true so then he says Chris chose his own career he chose to stick with WWE when I am sure he could have went anywhere else whether it be Japan or TNA but Chris stuck with the grind so he's saying he put himself in this situation and that's what happens so then they look at the brain stuff as well um they look at chris's brain in 2010 and a group of doctors studied chris benoit's brain and found that he suffered from

some serious cte hardcore um not wonderful at all uh really really bad shit they said one of the quotes was that it was like an 80 year old man like an 80 year old man with alzheimer's that's what his brain was like inside and on the outside a raging steroid freak fully capable of hurting people fully capable physical you know peak of his physical prowess and everything like that um so he was really had a lot going on in the brain so that is not wonderful obviously there and uh there's a whole deal here where congress actually has a has hearings about it whether wwe is fucking that's the house energy and commerce subcommittee on commerce. And they, yeah, anyway, Vince McMahon declined to testify,

even though they invited him. They did turn over 3,000 pages of documentation, and ultimately the Congressional Review amounted to nothing due to, in part, the part where it just didn't get pursued after that. That's what ended up happening. Now, quickly, the study of the coverage is very, very interesting. They did a whole collegiate course level study on the coverage of this case.

The WWE accused the media of sensationalizing steroids as part of the crime. However, the company was criticized after stating that steroids were not involved in the crime because they said that he passed his drug test. He's not on steroids. And then the toxicology report came out. He's on a shitload of testosterone. And he's a note from his mommy for it from you people for you people. So they said that they concluded here that a better response from the company would have been to acknowledge the rumors of steroid abuse by Benoit. A better response from the company would have been to acknowledge the rumors of steroid abuse by Benoit, then wait until autopsy and toxicology reports were released before making statements on what could have triggered the murder-suicide.

This study is to analyze a broader set of newspaper sources to identify how journalists framed the Benoit crime and to identify the frames that became prominent in the coverage. Okay, check this out. the frames that became prominent in the coverage. Okay. Check this out. Now, newspapers ran varying numbers of stories and different types of stories. In this study, there's 15 New York Times articles, 46 articles in the Atlanta Journal Constitution because it happened there, 29 articles in the Miami Herald, four in the Orlando Sun-Sentinel, and 39 articles from the AP, just Associated Press. Sure.

So these were published in the same newspapers, all the sample newspapers and the newspapers all across the country. Within the sample of newspapers, each publication had various combinations of different types of stories. There were five types, feature, news, op-ed, sports, and other. So that's how they do. Atlanta had 43% of the articles they talk about. Out of the 133 articles in the sample, 38 of them, which is 28.6% of the articles, ran within the first week of the incident, which makes sense.

That's a lot. 22.6% of the articles ran within a month. And 24.1% of the articles ran between one and three months. 12% of the articles ran between one and three months. 12% of the articles ran between three and six months. And 12% of the articles ran six months or more. So not a lot as it goes on. The double murder-suicide was reported on within the initial week to three months of the incident. A lot, obviously.

That's how it goes. Now, the spike in articles that ran between the one month and three month is due to the release of toxicology reports that's why you had that that one and three month in there um in 2000 they also wrote a story in the miami herald not saying nancy filed for divorce in may 2003 claiming alleged cruel treatment and saying that she dropped it and all that kind of shit. So basically, the Associated Press reported Benoit's father believes years of head trauma his son suffered while in the ring contributed to the killings. They examined his brain and they said he was all fucked up.

Now, out of the 133 articles, only 14.3% mentioned concussions. What? 14.3% of these articles mentioned concussions. If you're not good at math, that's 85.7 that don't say shit about concussions. That is unreal. So they found that regardless of the time frame, even after they knew the examination happened, concussions were rarely mentioned. For example, within one week of the incident, concussions were only mentioned two times.

Like, hey, think it's his head? That's 5.3%. Within one month, they were only mentioned two times. In greater than one month and less than three month time frame, they were mentioned seven times. The greater than three months, less than six month time frame they were mentioned five times and the greater than six month time frame now they're down to three times so that it came and went very quickly um also the painkillers that were always linked to all the drugs that they

always have and everything like that the wwe by the way they mentioned painkillers all the time but didn't link them to wrestling at all they didn't put those two things together in the media. So basically it's like Vince McMahon sat down with every fucking reporter and said, okay, this is how we're going to play this because you're on my public relations team. Now you don't talk about this and you don't talk about this.

Yup. The WWE was mentioned in 89.5% of the articles with written within one week of the incident. Obviously within one month of the incident, obviously. Within one month of the incident, however, it was only 40% of the stories that mentioned him, mentioned WWE. There was a slight increase

to about half the stories after the toxicology report came out, because that's steroids, but it never climbed back to that rate during the first week ever. It just kept going down. That's unreal. It doesn't say it in every single article. Yeah. Brain was mushed, jacked up on testosterone,

and then the rest of it comes after that. Vince McMahon, chairman and CEO at the time, was not prominent in coverage at all. They left him out like he skates like a motherfucker on this shit. Unbelievable. Out of 99 news articles, he was only mentioned in 12 of them yeah uh among these types of articles he was mentioned most often in news article and news articles when the crime occurred mcmahon said made statements on behalf of wwe which drew the

coverage later once he stopped talking about it that no one else mentioned him only they quoted him yeah yep um that's fucking wild so that, by the end of it, the media basically accepted it's not WWE's fault. And, you know, maybe his brain's mush. Who knows? He's probably just a crazy wrestler. There you go. That's what that is. Now, this Irv Muchnick had like a little battle with Jerry McDevitt, the lawyer, the WWE lawyer.

Okay. This is from the newspaper. This is fucking wild. He said, the latest round came in December when the Pittsburgh City paper ran a piece on WWE's effort to combat steroids and head injuries. Muchnick slammed the story as a puff piece. McDevitt fired back in a letter to Muchnick, and here we go. Muchnick calls the WWE steroid policy a joke that gives special treatment to some wrestlers.

Mushnick in the interview said, given the long and bad history of deaths in the industry, we can seriously question whether this company can regulate itself. So the WWE said they use an independently owned and operated lab and slams on their specific stars and the organization is bullshit and all that kind of thing so on wrestlers health he said the concussion prevention program was a good first step and he also said in the past positive things they've done they just take it away when no one's looking you know like the steroid policy have you looked at wwe lately oh my god they're enormous. Yeah. Now, McDevitt says they argue that WWE relies on the same concussion monitoring program as the National Football League. We put in place a protective program to eliminate as many concussions as possible.

And it works about as well in both fucking places. I've never seen a blue tent over the fucking ring. Nope. Yeah. In the middle of the match when you hit your head on by accident on a fucking take a backdrop wrong they talk about employment law because they said they talk about the wwe policy of defining them as independent contractors contractors denying them health care pensions paid leave all that shit and um they say mcdevitt says that the wwe covers medical

bills for those hurt in the ring. Gee, thanks. And fulfills, quote, most of the tests used to define independent contractors. Most of them. None of that's true. If you read what an independent contractor is, it's the opposite of this. An independent contractor is not supposed to be told where and when he can work. He's supposed to be offered work, and then if he doesn't take it, he can work somewhere else, and that's not supposed to say, well, now you don't work here anymore.

Independent means works for themselves. Yeah. Non-compete means I work for you. If someone comes over and paints your house, you can't go. Now you can't paint any of my neighbor's houses. That's not how it fucking works. Right. It's funny.

What other industry does non-compete? What was that? Oh, yeah. Comedy did that exact same motherfucking thing to us. You don't work for us. We're not going to pay you or anything. You'll only work sporadically at our clubs. But if you work at another club, then we can't hire you at all.

We'll never use you again. Thanks, cunts. So anyway, on Chris Benoit, they said that Mushnick called it a cocktail of death from basically steroid abuse, CTE, everything else and all that kind of shit. McDevitt says in an interview that the doctors can't prove he examined Benoit's brain. How do you not prove it? It's a different brain, Jimmy. They switched the brain out. That's his fucking excuse.

We don't know that that's Benoit's brain. Where the fuck did they get a brain and say it's his then? What are you kidding me? Are you fucking this? This is what I'm saying. This shit right here is bullshit. If you ever hear when people question obvious shit for their own benefit, hold their feet to the fucking fire. When your politicians do that

anybody that does that fuck you should be the answer you fucking know better not i'm gonna argue with you about the facts fuck you you fucking liar is all you should say jesus christ he then says that cte is real significant a significant issue that people have to get their arms around we're not anti-cte but the science has to be right guess what it was it was his fucking brain rather than deny that we caused it because they can't do that because he's not getting hit in in the head with chairs at home usually probably they just say wasn't this wasn't his brain that's all we're not anti-cte you're about to say some anti-CTE shit. Fuck, man. Yeah, that's like, I'm not racist, but that's what they just said.

When asked to talk about each other, Muchnick says about McDevitt, quote, he's a great lawyer. If he wants to sue me, I look forward to it. After all, the truth is always a good defense. Feels good, yeah. Whereas McDevitt says, says quote he's a vicious man that's all he's a vicious man because he's questioning whether you should let people with pudding brains get hit more in the head with fucking chairs this is man telling the truth want to hear something awful that's pretty fucking gross hustler magazine what published in 2007

after her death published nude photos of Nancy from a test shoot she did when she was 20. That's fucked, man. They were 24-year-old pictures that they had of her that she took from way back then. They found them in their archives and they put it out. Her family

took legal action against Hussler and the appellate court ruled the photographs published by flint neither relate to the incident of public concern conceptually uh the murders nor correspond with the time period to which benoit was rendered against her will the subject of public scrutiny so they're there they own the pictures and they can publish them they want yeah that's yeah they basically said that's like saying you made it somebody made a shit movie with julia roberts in 1984 and then when she got real famous they didn't put that on a

video shelf with now her on the cover even though she's like the eighth billed person and it's starring julia roberts you know that's what they do and that's what they just did so it's pretty fucking disgusting honestly um so yeah anyway uh chavo like i said that's what larry flint does he's a he's a he's a oh yeah i mean i give him all the credit in the world for being a guy that's successful but he did it in a scummy way and he's yeah i i do love what he did i do love when he fucking when he uh pays for proof of hypocrisy that's my favorite thing in the world. Oh, you don't like that? 100 grand for anybody that can fucking give me proof of these motherfuckers having affairs

or paying for abortions. And he couldn't pay it out fast enough. It came in like a fucking wave. Like a wave. Now the lawsuit comes in here. Like we said, there's a lawsuit. Evidence shows the lawsuit that happens later it says the lawyers on either side couldn't be specific as to what the heirs will inherit because evidence shows that

benoit was the last to die in the family home okay which ordinarily would mean that his children who were next of kin would automatically be the legal heirs but state law known as the slayer statute says that benoit is legally considered the first person to die because he did the killing making the timing of the deaths of nancy and daniel crucial in determining who becomes a legal heir so they had to figure out who died first it says the slayer statute is kind of a traditional legal principle it says if you cause someone's death you shouldn't prosper from, yeah, you can't be the one that whatever. So they said what happens here is it depends on the order of death.

And if the order in which the two of them died is established, then Georgia law is going to be really clear about who inherits. We watched what the D.A. had said publicly, and they think Chris killed Nancy, then killed Daniel based on decomposition. But we've come to learn that there are some facts that might indicate that's not exactly the way it happened so um yeah uh this is she may have been tied up and you know i mean not dead yet and then he went and killed the son we don't know my point is this and by the way uh 2020 dark side of the ring they did a very good everything they do is very well high quality they did a very good thing at they do is very well, high quality. They did a very good thing at this. My point is, what the fuck was he doing for two days in that house, or a day and a half at least? Walking around, was he thinking about, was this just like pumping yourself up to off yourself?

Or was this, can I get away with this? Because he's communicating with wwe i'll be at this show i'll be over here like is he thinking maybe if i tell them that i'll tell them that and then his mushed up fucking pudding brain he didn't understand that that wouldn't work then he realized it wouldn't work because if he's looking up ways to resurrect his son his thinking is not clear obviously there's something wrong there period because he's a mess that's a fucking mess and then he goes that long basically to the point where he's like i missed the pay-per-view they're gonna come here right they're gonna come here looking for me i either have to kill myself

or turn myself in but there's no he probably thought he could get away get away with it or or at least get to that show and maybe do it after that. But he certainly thought he was going to carry on life for a minute. His dismount was trash, obviously. And then once it all set in, he probably sobered up for a minute and it all set in. Was he planning on going to that pay-per-view? I think he was. Or was he just saying that to keep them at bay until he could fucking... No, I think he was trying.

Because either way, that's what he would have said, whether he was just trying to keep them at bay until he could fucking try it? Because either way, that's those, that's what he would have said, whether he was just trying to keep them at bay or whatever. But I'm wondering what his thought process were. And at the same time was at the same time, I don't know if it's even possible. Cause like we said,

his fucking brain was not good. Yeah. And you know, he was a mess and, and he, I'm sure I don't even know whether he was a mess. And I'm sure, I don't even know, whether he was lucid or not, it doesn't fucking matter because he killed these people and it's fucking terrible. And he's a piece of shit, a monstrous one. I really think it's just the way it is.

I think it all just came back and kept coming back to somebody's going to find them when you leave. And then what? Yeah, then what happens? That's what I mean. Then what happens? I mean, and then did he go through and then after a day feel guilty? Once his rage subsided, did he go, oh, my God, I killed my kids. I killed my wife.

I killed my kid. What the fuck do I do? I'm terrible. I'm awful. How do I strangle myself in the most painful way possible? Was that a form of doing squats? Was that his way of doing squats? Maybe.

You know what I mean? Making himself pay. I think he thought that that was just going to be the end of it like he it would be like a blink like it would snap his neck and he wouldn't even feel you know what i mean but also he had to fucking just grit his teeth and get through that man like that's i feel like that was like doing 500 squats i really feel like that was his version of atonement you know which is not atonement they were fuck you there were two two times the sun went around you know what i mean yeah that's crazy that man slept and then woke up and with the with the reality so he was sober you know i mean at

some point at some point yeah did he what did he watch tv like what the fuck did he do in there like it's it's bonkers but either way it's no one will ever know that's the fucked up part about chris benoit it's going to be all mysteries but those are the facts and you can kind of pick out what you think from there and there's no one's no one's right so who the fuck knows someone's right we just will never find out who that's the thing two people are entirely wrong they are uh chris benoit completely wrong and and vince mcmahon and vince mcmahon i feel like he's very wrong if you like that show please let the world know about it. Get on Apple podcast or wherever you listen to podcasts,

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