Crime in Sports - #312 - Pimp Punching Pervert - The Deviantness of Gerald Perry

Episode Date: July 19, 2022

This week, we tell the story of a man who was so athletically talented, that he just couldn't decide between basketball & football. He chose football, and said it was a dream come true. But as soon as he was in the NFL, he was also in the back of a lot police cars. Whether trolling the streets, in the middle of the night, for a ladies, and possibly crack cocaine, or sexually attacking a teammate's wife, or the babysitter this guy just doesn't understand that actions just may have consequences! A very crazy story, in classic CIS rapid fire arrest fashion!! Choose to play football in your Junior year of college, get arrested almost as soon as you get your NFL uniform, and become a menace to society, and especially women with Gerald Perry!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!  Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail]  Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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No. Romanowski? No. He's more of a bonus episode guy than a regular episode guy. I was just about to ask you what he did criminally because I don't think much. The steroids and all that. But Gerald Perry, this guy's an asshole of the highest order. Oh, my goodness. He was your left tackle for a while.

He was watching Elway's back there. Yeah, absolutely. For the team that went to the Super Bowl and everything. No kidding. Absolutely. Gerald Perry, born, by the way, he's not part of the Refrigerator Perry, Michael Dean Perry family. No kidding. That's a different family.

Poor bastard. Yeah, so he's got a brother also, but different branches of different families. Is it Elliot? It's not Elliot. No, it's not elliot no it's not elliot perry yeah this guy's a giant offensive lineman and he's got elliot perry it's it's like a twin situation they are in the womb he got all the nutrients and elliot perry got nothing and that's why he looked like he did when he played basketball yeah he's the dannyVito of the group. So, Gerald Perry, born November 12, 1964, and he is from Columbia, South Carolina. Grows up in South Carolina and everything like that.

Has a brother named Kenny who also plays sports. And they have to be within a year or two of each other because they were both on the varsity football team at the same time at one point. Oh, is that right? Yeah, so i know yeah they were both offensive linemen and the guy who ran behind him said they they all called it the perry moving company you just follow the follow the perry brothers and they'll clear the path for you type of deal which is pretty good shit um so yeah he's got a half brother or not a whole brother i mean named kenny they went to dray dreyer dryer i don't know how you'd say uh d-r-e-h-e-r oh dryer dreyer her her dreher jeher uh sounds like from 30 rock rural

juror that's what it sounds like it's a juror juror it's in columbia south carolina and it's that's the high school they went to from what i've seen they have put out four nfl players in their history and uh most of them are one year guys though that you've never heard of and then there's gerald perry so got it he's the greatest football player to ever come out of this high school there's been ever via her whatever the fuck he's do they have a mascot? Do we know? Yes. It's a man with a very big, fat, limp, lower lip that you can't understand what he's saying. You go, what's the name of this school? And he goes, Dreher.

And you're like, fuck, that didn't help. Thank you. Tobacco paralysis. Yeah. That's the name. That's their mascot, actually. Tobacco paralysis lips. They're the Dreher tobacco paralysis lips.

He's just called him Backy. Yeah, that's Backy. He's the mascot. It's just a guy, an angry man with a paralyzed lower lip. Five times the size it should be. So he also plays basketball. He's a two-sport star in high school. And I mean star-star.

We'll talk about it. He's a better basketball player than football player he's six five six six in in high school he's only about 190 pounds and holy shit well when he goes into high school then he gains a lot more weight and he's in like the 220 region and then by the time later on comes he'll put on quite a bit of weight let's just say that so um yeah he he ends up you know in high school playing a lot and one of his teammates said and this is fucking hilarious so no this is his coach i'm sorry his high school coach said quote i think at that age talking about middle school i think at that age tiny really wanted to play basketball they called him tiny and the reporter said who's tiny and he said yeah no that's what we called him his name was tiny he was six foot five 190 pounds in

middle school his coach used to have to carry around his birth certificate because nobody wanted to believe he was in the eighth grade he was one of the guys that had like parents coming out of the stands going get the fuck that kid's 17 he's 17 if he's a day bullshit no that kid's not in middle school are you kidding me how many grades did you fail sir as a middle manager somewhere you're lying to us you found him at fucking pop copy or some shit he had to punch out early from from the mill today he was working at the forgery earlier and he had you know he drove here fuck out of here yeah no i saw it no and it's a broken down old pickup it looks like he's had it a while he he was adjusting like the hanger that closes the hood closed he's been driving a while

so uh his coach said quote he had the he has the athletic ability to be a good Division I player. His only drawback is he really couldn't shoot beyond 10 feet. Oh, no. But he said he could rebound like nobody's business. I mean, a guy who can play offensive line in the NFL is a physical specimen that can, you know, the force of that person. They're going to box you out. Yeah, they'll box you out. His coach said, quote, yeah, he was very physical.

In high school, they had to put two bodies on him to keep him off the boards. There weren't many people that size-wise could match up with him in any sport. So that's how it was. His coach also said in football, we used to run, this is his teammate, we used to run behind Gerald and his brother Kenny. We called them the Perry Moving Company. We didn't care if they knew where we were going. They still couldn't stop it. Just two huge guys here.

So he weighed 250 pounds during high school. And so once basketball was over, he joined the track team. He's going to move that big body around the track? Well, listen to this he joins the track team and they have a like an event that weekend like they let him join late because he was playing basketball so he couldn't join you know he's whatever they let him come in late and he without practicing because he just got there he uh won his first, which was the high jump. What? This giant man, 6'5", 250 pounds, without practicing, comes in and just busts out a winning high jump. Unbelievable.

That is athletic. I mean, that's crazy. Wow, that's wild. His coach said, quote, to me, I thought Tyrone and Xavier McDaniel were probably a little better basketball players, but Gerald was a better athlete. In some ways, he could do more things because they were coming up around there too. Xavier McDaniel played in the NFL, NBA for a fucking long time. He could have played in the NFL. He would have been a great strong safety.

He was a lunatic, a huge guy. That guy, or a linebacker, he's a menace, man. Christ almighty. He wanted to play football and they kept having to tell him you know like three times a game somebody'd be like listen i don't know if you remember but see this ball it's round and orange it's a basketball this is not a fucking not a footballer brown or whatever the fuck color it is orangey brown so basketball was his first love though and in high school he broke the scoring and rebounding records for this high school wow which were set by at the time denver

nugget forward alex english who was a giant nba star he was a huge nba star alex english he was really good player yeah he's great and. I assumed he was amazing in high school and everything, and this guy was better in high school. He won the South Carolina Mr. Basketball title as well. That means you're the best basketball player in the state that you come from. The whole state.

The whole state. You're the best basketball player. So that's him. The best basketball player, which is fucking wild. So he has his choice between football and basketball. This guy, the world is his oyster when it comes to college. I mean, people want him in college. There's an article here from November 5th, 1982, talking about how the Iowa State basketball staff is just drooling over him. They want him so bad.

All they can talk about is Gerald Perry. And I love how in basketball they always inflate your height, which is hilarious. And so they put him at 6'7", which he's not 6'7", here. Which, I mean, they listed Charles Barkley at 6'6", for years, and he's nowhere near 6'6". So I guess that's what you do. And they said that that's who they want. The coach there said, quote, we're looking for a power player. That's our top

priority. Gerald Perry certainly fits that description. Power. Power man. Why did he do this? He's got a weird path, Jimmy. He's got a very, very weird, odd, interesting path through school and how he ends up choosing football as a sport because it's very strange.

Perry said that the only competition for him is South Carolina. So he's either going to go to Iowa State or South Carolina, the Gamecocks. Those are the only two things that he's thinking about here. He's made visits to both and everything like that. So he's at the time, this is during the football season, so he's playing football at the time, playing 240 pounds. And they say he'll play basketball

after football season at about 220, 225. So he loses 20, 25 pounds to play basketball. And they're going to allow him to play in college too, both? Apparently they want him to play both, college too both apparently they want him to play both which is hard because those seasons go on simultaneously yeah so he'd basically have to play football and then join the basketball team late is how it would work you know like bo jackson used to play baseball and join the football team and join the raiders in week 10 so um yeah the his his high school coach said but he's already said he wants to play basketball in college.

That made a lot of basketball recruiters very happy. It also made a lot of football recruiters very unhappy. They said Perry, his coach said he's going to be a four-year starter in any sport he chooses. That's just the way he is. He high jumped six foot four, by the way. How do you do that i have no idea if you weigh 250 pounds or now or if you don't weigh 250 pounds or in any capacity i don't know how you do that how do you get your ass six foot four off the ground how do you get a big offensive

tackles ass that high off the ground yeah you ever seen an offensive tackles ass they gotta have an anchor it's a lot of ass they gotta be able to plant their feet and push a fucking defensive lineman off of them so that's some ass to get to sling that shit over a bar is impressive um he was six foot four when he was in the seventh grade so he always played center and that's why now they're the end of high school they were trying to trying to give him more skills that weren't just around the basket because this is a thing that neck in nowadays if you get a real tall kid they just train all the kids the same now in basketball you know what i'm saying like tall kids shoot threes just as much as the small kids they teach ball handling when we were kids tallest kid the coach would go the basket, don't go out more than fucking six feet.

They'd literally tell you that. If you're at the foul line, you're too far out. Fucking in there. Get out of the paint every two seconds, get back in. That's it. That's your job. And that's a kid who's like 6'3 in the eighth grade, and he might not get any bigger.

So now when he's trying to play basketball later, he doesn't have the guard skills that he would need. He only has down low skills because he never learned it never learned it so it's better actually to teach them everything that way you end up with your kevin durant's and your guys like that yeah it's more european that's yeah that's well that's where that came from i think they were seeing that and they were like that guy's seven feet and shoots from the perimeter like we need to get that right and drains them yeah can we get that like you know can we start teaching our kids to do that and they do so um he's always played center his coach said he's always played with his back to

the basket but last year we started playing him on the wing a little bit because that's where he's going to play in college he's definitely a power forward which if he can jump his ass off and he's six five and change you could be a power forward Charles Barkley made a real good career out of that so he um at this point too at the end of his high school they said that he's got his range to about 15 feet yeah which isn't bad and a good jumper decent ball handler he averaged 14 points and 12 rebounds a game in his junior season which is not too fucking shabby um in high school it's a lot slower of a game so you know it's rare to have your guys that average 40 points a game in high school unless the whole offense is just to them that happens when you get like a lebron james or somebody who's a

you know who should be an obvious star who should be in the nba and they're a junior in high school it's that's a different story than that um so problem is though in the NBA and they're a junior in high school. That's a different story than that. So problem is, though, in the classroom, grade point average is about 2.0 at this point. He's a dumb-dumb. Yeah, he doesn't like school. I don't know if he's dumb or he just doesn't like school. Actually, you know what? I'm going to go with, you don't know.

This is one of those idiot or asshole situations that we've always talked about on Crime and Sports. And I really can't tell. I think he's both. That's the thing. I think he's an idiot who's also a huge asshole. When we. The dummy with no remorse. Yeah.

When we talk about it later, what happened? Like, you're like, this fucking guy is. What is wrong with him? Like, I mean, fuck, does he is he have like severe dementia at 24? Like, what's happening to this man? What is wrong with him? But they said that all of his involvement in all these sports is what detracted from his schoolwork is what he says. I mean, I've been doing so many sports, which is true.

If you have to practice for – I'm busy. You're very busy. One of his coaches said, quote, he's a better student than his grades show. Okay. Yeah, okay. That's easy better student than his grades show. Okay. Yeah, okay. That's easy to say. So anyway, there you go. January 4th, 1983, he decides to go to, I love how the newspaper in South Carolina says, Perry Picks USC.

They mean South Carolina. Yeah. I was like, he went to USC? Nope. Yeah, South Carolina University I apologize you you're probably an older school I'm sure than USC and all that sort of thing but until you start fucking the winner you get the trophy wins uh gets the the ones with the most stars get get to use those letters yeah you don't get to use those letters I don't know and I hate USC I don't give

a shit about them at all so it just seems right it's like ladanian tomlinson calling himself lt it's like yeah those are your initials but we already had one so what's your middle name and he would decapitate you if he was playing right now so calm down chief and he's a great player too ladanian tomlinson he's one of the best he's amazing so good yeah i mean i don't know i think lt is a top three of all time of any time at any position so that's it's different it's different tomlinson's like one of the best running backs running backs yeah top 15 running back which is good but you don't think top 10 yeah he might be right he might i don't know but there's so many good fucking running backs it's hard to you know it's hard you know none of them are like transcendent like like emmett smith was great but i wouldn't put him in the top 10 no i over a career but i mean yeah i think if

you gave anybody in the top 10 to 15 that offensive line and that game plan of we're gonna run the ball a lot with a great by the way you have tight ends that are good you have an amazing fullback who blocks well and a huge offensive line that you're spending all your money on i think anybody could have done pretty damn good too and he's on coke that's what i mean multi and a good defense that's giving your team the ball i really think that most of those top 10 running backs could have the same numbers i mean barry sanders played with nobody and he fucking oh my god he was the best ever because of that i i i think personally i mean i've never seen see i haven't seen like back in the day i don't know if maybe gail sayers was better when he was healthy or didn't get a chance to watch that

even like when you look at an oj simpson highlight you go jesus christ yeah that guy could he could if you could take that guy 1972 1972 OJ Simpson, and put him in the NFL and he would dominate today. Like, he has that type, he's a modern day body of a running back and shit like that. So, I don't know. Who knows? You never know. So, either way, he's close.

I still think Sanders is probably the best because he had literally nothing. He was magic. I've never seen another running back. Him versus everyone. Yeah. Like, if you're going to go with, like, longevity guys, then it's Emmitt Smith and Walter Payton, and I don't think there's even a fucking close comparison.

Walter Payton, he was just an amazing player. So much better. He's a great receiver. He's a great blocker. Jimmy, he didn't miss a game for fucking over 10 years at running back in the NFL. Do you know how hard that is to do? Yeah.

While getting the ball constantly. Yeah, because they had a shit team. They just fed him the ball like crazy. And you could literally kill him on the field and they'd be like, get another one out here. Let's go. Run the play. Take talk. Let's go, bitches.

Barry, I can't even think of an equivalent of him. Like, there's no other Barry Sanders we've ever seen that's can just give him the ball have a play breakdown have four defenders in the background and somehow he'll come out of it after running backwards and sideways and spinning and having one guy think he tackled him but he was actually

had his leg three inches off the ground and he had his hand down and he pops up and he was a fucking like a pinball unbelievable anyway Jim Brown too oh up and he was a fucking like a pinball unbelievable anyway so brown too oh jim brown he was a beast though he was a forward knock you over guy and he was amazing he just didn't want to do it anymore yeah right in movies and shit done yeah just done with this shit he's and this unbelievable career is costing me money it is and he and knock him i'm gonna scratch my pretty face i gotta i want to do that i got a tiny face mask so yeah jim brown's in the conversation too is in the top football

players of all time always it's always him i always look at it i'm sorry to sidetrack quick but i always look at like basketball i look at it this way like basketball you can't say greatest player of all time like you can't do it because you have to say greatest center of all time and then greatest players of players because you can't compare will chamberlain to michael jordan they're not the same no will chamberlain seven foot fucking two you can't compare what he did you can't compare what kareem abdul-jabbar was doing to what a guard's doing then it's not the same game the rebounding the block shots they're just you can't compare apples and oranges so yeah i feel like football you have to do the same thing there's like greatest players and greatest quarterbacks it's different they're different but i guess if you take like the guy that's the who's the who's the main person the

main cog on the team and then compare them to the main cog on every because i mean you got larry bird plays a different position than michael j cog on every because i mean you got larry bird plays a different position than michael jordan you know what i mean yeah but the it's still you can i feel like you can skew that though to small forward to a guard and be like okay well yeah he's gonna have a few more rebounds than him he might have a couple more assists than him but you can compare them you can't do that because, Jesus, the power forward doesn't score. It's not their job. Different games.

But a center, when you dump it into a guy who's seven foot tall and he's in the post, it's just a different game. You can't compare, like I said, Wilt Chamberlain to other people. Shaq to Jordan. Who's better? It's hard to say. You can actually argue that. Yeah. Who knows? Who the fuck?

I mean, they're so different you can't argue that. Yeah, who knows? Who the fuck? I mean, they're so different you can't argue them, whereas the LeBron and Jordan argument, you could fucking have that argument. They're different players, but that's what makes that argument fun rather than a center. They're too different to make it fun, and that's what a quarterback. You can't compare Lawrence Taylor to Tom Brady or Lawrence Taylor to John Elway. They're just not the same thing. One guy's a quarterback. He has one thing, and that's what he does. You can pick which one you want on your team more, but that's about it.

Yeah, they're just so different. You have to choose. I don't know. Whatever. Anyway, that doesn't matter. That's all just kind of sports talk. Where's Gerald Perry fit, James? Let's see.

He fits somewhere down low, low. So January 4th, 83, he picks a school, like we said. He goes to USC, South Carolina here. Is he going to? No, he was still at Notre Dame, I think. Or he might have just got to Notre Dame at that point because in the late 70s. This is 83. This is 83.

Like late 70s, he coached the Jets for a year and then quit. And then he was like a broadcaster. And then he went to Notre Dame. So I think he might have just got there. So anyway, he was playing basketball. That's what he's doing. Yeah, that's the whole thing. He was recruited by more than 100 colleges, by the way.

Sick. He had that big bag know back bag of uh recruiting letters there and they considered him one of the top high school basketball players in the country like we said and one publication called him the best tight end prospect in the carolinas and virginia in football because he's also because he's so fast and he can jump he's kind of a prototypical tight end but when he puts basketball he can catch yeah but when he gets up to 300 pounds he's a good left tackle because he's got good quick feet and shit like that too so he said it was iowa state south carolina west virginia and he visited them and he said wow this is in west virginia and he left there quickly and then went to the other sunshine and a beach i don't see it

here not good um so uh So his high school coach said he's a player who can help a basketball team in many different ways, whether it be scoring, rebounding, or leadership. Yeah. There you go. So 83-84, he's with the South Carolina basketball team. They go 12-16 that

year. That's their record. On this team, I'm looking around, there's only one guy who made the NBA. Mike Brittan. He's a center. Seven-footer. That's why he. On this team, I'm looking around. There's only one guy who made the NBA, Mike Brittan. He's a center, seven-footer. That's why he made the NBA. Gerald this year, looks like his freshman year here, scored, what is this? He played in 24 games, 8.9 minutes per game. He's a freshman.

What is his points? 2.8 points, 2.3 rebounds per game. So freshman coming off the bench, not doing much. Now by August of 1984, he's talking about that. He might pick football. Now he doesn't. Now he might go play football. This is hard out here. Yeah. He's put on more than 30 pounds since he's moved here. That's great great and he says that maybe he's better suited for football they said how'd you put on so much weight and he said this is amazing they meaning the college they gave me a summer job before school started it was a chick-fil-a i didn't do much work but i did a lot of eating so those waffle fries really fuck you up they just implanted just planted this dude in a chick-fil-a

and he just sat in the back gaining face and waffle fries gaining 30 pounds in a fucking summer that's a lot of chicken you're like so yeah that was a net loss for chick-fil-a probably having him working there even if they didn't even yeah even if they didn't pay him it's still a net loss and chicken and fucking waffle fries so he still hasn't decided though what he's going to do what do you know if he's going to play football if he's going to play basketball he said that uh a basketball physical discovered a health problem apparently he's got some sort of internal issue and a heart issue or something like that it's called waffle fries and 30 pounds of too much i was just gonna say he's had they said is this it's either a congenital thing or have you and this is a long shot sir i know this is probably not what it is but you have to ask you know what i mean have you possibly eaten i don't know six

to seven hundred chicken sandwiches in the last 60 to 90 days? Is that a thing that's happened? Oh, my. Okay. Well, you know what? It's not congenital then. Yeah. I was going to ask, is there any family history?

But you got to ask this first. Is there any family history of sitting in a break room of Chick-fil-A and two-handing fucking chicken nuggets and waffle fries down your throat what would you say the gross tonnage of waffle fries you've had in the last say 90 days 90 60 to 90 we'll just do that just a gross tonnage you know what do you think how many cargo ship containers would it take to hold the amount of waffle fries you've eaten, sir, because this is remarkable. Could we make a Ford F-350 out of the waffle fries you've eaten? I believe we could, probably, because this is amazing. There's not a history in your family of any of this. It's just waffle fries.

You seem to have a waffle fry lodged in your aorta i believe that might be the problem we'll take that out and see how it goes from there so anyway they said they'll know something or other soon he's got to pass a physical and they said if he does want to play football he'll be used at tight end the coach says he just learns needs to learn the system um because his coach said quote said, quote, just looking at him, I wouldn't say he was in super condition. Just looking at him. Are you saying Chick-fil-A is not the way to bulk up, Jay?

I saw he had waffle fries. Like when he was running, they were falling out of his pockets. So I feel like we should probably maybe get him in shape. I don't think he's in shape. Might be the waffle fries that make me think that. I'm not sure. Unbelievably sugared lemonade that they have.

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Don't do it. No, I won't eat there. Fuck them. Fuck your Baptist chicken. I don't do anything where you're pushing religion on me with food. I won't eat it in an out burger. Cause you put Psalms on the cup.

You want to fucking pray, pray away. I don't mind. If you put it to me, I'm not giving you money for that. Thank you. I want a Jesus burger. Yeah, don't need that. I'm not selling you atheist burgers, am I?

No. I'm not even selling you atheist podcasts. How often do I sit here and try to convince you God's not real? Ever? Never. Because I don't give a fuck what you think, and I don't care what people think. They think whatever they want that's great just not eating your jesus i just don't want your jesus chicken that's all take your baptist chicken somewhere

else fire and brim our fire and brimstone fucking combo chicken better than everybody it's better so we cook it in our fryer fire and brimstone cooker, we call it. It's a, all right, I'm fucking around. We drop the chicken on the brimstone, and that's why it tastes so good. And I know people, too, that will eat Chick-fil-A even at the, they feel like they've committed Chick-fil-A. Like they don't, they're upset about it, but they still eat it because it's like Mike Myers in So I Married an Axe Murderer. They put an addictive chemical in their chicken and it makes you crave it fortnightly, smartass. That's what it is.

He was talking about Kentucky Fried Chicken. Crave it fortnightly. Ah, the colonel with his wee beady eyes. He puts an addictive chemical in his chicken. Makes you crave it fortnightly, smartass. That might be the worst chicken on the market. Oh, yeah, it's bad. I'll still eat it.

It's terrible. I'll still eat it. I'll eat fucking KFC. Oh, it's awful. I'll eat it, though. I don't give a shit. It's the worst. Grocery stores always have good fried chicken.

That's where you get the fried chicken, at the grocery store deli section i like the rotisseries there but the the breasts at kfc have gotten smaller than a thigh and i don't i want to know why what are they doing what's that chicken look like sometimes it's hard to identify a piece by shape which is worrisome when i see that i'm like i don't know which is which. Is that a bone sticking out? Is that a leg? What is that? What's going on now? That's a problem.

I get what you're saying. Yeah. I want to see the chicken with fat ass thighs and tiny titties. It's out there. The colonel's making them. It exists because wherever a colonel gets his chicken, that's where they're at. That's what's happening, man. I'm telling you.

So anyway, Gerald Perry, back to this here he uh that wasn't our fault that was that was a necessary sidebar because we were discussing he's eating chicken gaining weight from chicken and i love some fried chicken and any kind of chicken sandwich and uh any kind of thing like that anything where you take it and you put a breading on it or a batter on it and then you fry it. I don't care if it's hot. I don't give a shit if it's spicy or whatever it is. I'll fucking eat it and I'm going to like it a lot. I want to try it and see for myself.

So he decides he wants to play both sports. That's what he's going to do in college. So by October of 85, though, he's having problems because according to this newspaper here, this is in Columbia, South Carolina, they say, quote, Gerald Perry is trying to overcome what he admits is his biggest obstacle, himself.

Is that food? In order to return to, no, no, University of South Carolina's football team. The former high school standout was an offensive lineman at USC before he was declared academically ineligible prior to the start of the season. Oh, no. He did all that, switched sports, but he forgot to do homework. He's like, ah, fuck.

Tackling dummies, working out, fucking school was the thing i forgot about damn it damn it shit um so he enrolled at now he has to leave south carolina and enroll at the mississippi northwest mississippi junior college which is a community college it's now called northwest mississippi uh community college it's in cenotopia mississippi oh boy yeah that sounds like a small town murder town is what that sounds like we're going to cenotopia mississippi and you're gonna go oh no we've never heard of it oh boy um this is to try to improve his grades and study habits fucking focus here um he wants to return to the game cocks the next season though to south carolina he is uh 280 pounds at this point and he knows that he has to take his

grades seriously if he wants to come back to south carolina he says quote i'm pretty sure i'll take academics more seriously from now on the part i'm so thankful for is I'm learning a lesson that I've got a second chance to redeem myself. Not too many people have that chance. I was very disappointed about leaving Carolina. He said, I felt that besides letting myself down, I was letting my teammates down. I kind of hate to start someplace and end up somewhere else, but I don't like starting over. You just said that. Yeah, you just said that. He said, but in this case, it's probably better for me because I've never really been away from home.

I was around my friends in Columbia while at USC, and it's kind of created a problem for me more than it helped me. Never go home. Leave, athletes. Also, he's become a – no, that's not the word. He's a star, and everybody wants to be around him and they want to fuck your life up. Absolutely. A bunch of people who don't have a future like you do, who you grew up with.

Because anybody who's very successful, the people they grew up with, most of them aren't going to be as successful as that person. So especially an athlete, it's just not the way it works unless they have these gifts as well. So, you know, at that point, you're just going to have a bunch of people dragging you down. Not that you can't hang out with people who you're but it's if it's everybody in your hometown. You don't need to see friends. Yeah. Friends don't get these opportunities to be in clubs and shit to be seen there because they don't have anything to lose. I don't have anything that they're bringing to the table. You're the star. People want to see you there because they don't have anything to lose a but they don't have anything that they're

bringing to the table you're the star people want to see you there exactly it's good to have your friends with you it's good to have a few people you trust but you can't have the guy that you knew in 10th grade who now wants to you know that's not going to work like that's not cool it's going to ruin this for everybody no shit he says that that was created more of a problem than it helped there was always something for me to do, extracurricular activities and things, as opposed to studying, which is what I should have been doing. So he was out fucking messing around and partying and hanging out with his friends and being a big deal and being a big fish in a small pond.

That's what he was doing. So the assistant head coach and offensive coordinator, Frank Sadler, hopes that Gerald will return next season. He said it all depends on his academic success. He said Perry said he'll be happy when he gets back and we'd love to have him back. He said Gerald's a really fine athlete, but we can only count on the football players that are enrolled at the University of South Carolina and are eligible. We can't count on Gerald until he's enrolled at USC. We want him to be.

We're pulling for him to do well at the junior college, both academically and athletically. And I hope he returns to USC. He said that, uh, this is funny. He said there's three main reasons how he became academically ineligible. So if you ever wonder how that happens,

number one, as a high school student, he did not discipline himself with good study habits okay that's fair not a lot of high school kids do uh number two he had some personal problems that's pretty vague that could be anything um all those well he's got a lot of personal problems really this episode is like a classic crime in sports where you're like you know he leaves the police station drives down the street and gets arrested again it's one of those where you're just like oh my god how is this happening stop doing this just stay in your house

fuck me it's one of the this isn't one where it's not a one incident crime in sports this is a many many incident crime in sports so So number three, he had some frustrations. He came to USC as a basketball player on a basketball scholarship. Then because of frustration, he gave up basketball and came out for football. When he came out for football, he still had the same problems with frustrations of the academic problems. Jesus, we were trying to help him with. He also had personal problems. So he's got sports problems. He's got athletic frustrations, academic problems, and personal problems. That's the whole gamut of everything.

That's a guy that's ineligible. Yeah. What's he, good at fishing? What are we talking about here? What else is there? What do we need from him? Yeah. What is he contributing?

Yeah, exactly. Why are you here, sir? out here like what else what else is there from him yeah what is he contributing yeah exactly why are you here sir um why are will you stop eating waffle fries while i'm talking to you god damn it where are you getting those all the time we've been at practice for two hours you still have hot waffle fries. Where are they coming from? I don't understand. So he said, quote, Gerald didn't have his priorities right. He has to get them right before he gets everything else straight. I hope he does.

So he has to straighten out before he straightens out, Jimmy. That's the important thing here. He's going to be wrinkly. Oh, man. He said not too many young men get a third chance. He had one in basketball one in football now he's going to junior college if he survives it i think he'll it'll be great for gerald if he doesn't it's like baseball three strikes and you're out jesus christ um uh the this is harold white the usc's coordinator of the office of athletic and academic support services oh my god what a title he says

that's a lot on a card you gotta have you you gotta be like what is that c c-o-t-o-o-a-a-a-s-s and that wow that is his title that's his title you need to you can't even make that a fucking there's nothing to it you can't is that code ass what was it a code ass i think it was uh it would be koto koto koto ass koto ass koto ass i'm the kato ass of usc here's my card um thank you no i don't want any waffle fries thank you he said if gerald takes advantage of the opportunity they can provide him uh hey, here's my card. Thank you. No, I don't want any waffle fries. Thank you. He said, if Gerald takes advantage of the opportunity they can provide him at the junior college

and returns here, it would be a good move. If him being here is going to preclude him from taking advantage of those things, then maybe not. We're for him 100%. I hope we've articulated that to him, but he's going to have to make a change from where he was when he was here.

Hopefully that's happening out there, not in here. We need him to do that there. Yeah. Over there. We pointed out to him the types of attitudes, characteristics, skills and general behavior patterns that need to be changed. There's more to this than grades. We need to stop lying and cheating and stealing this is the 80s okay i'm gonna go out on a limb here and this is all

allegedly in my opinion but it's the 80s in south carolina okay yeah if this guy was performing on the field and all the teammates liked him and he was like becoming a leader on the offensive line he i don't think grades would be a factor i think oh they'd find out how to make those better i feel like they'd be better you know what i'm saying i feel like they with unless and if they get a little long in the tooth and they don't fucking like you anymore and you're starting to be a bit of a dick and they've had to bail you out of jail a couple times until talk some small town sheriff into putting you in the clink for dating the fucking judge's daughter or some shit i think at that point they're like i think his grades are getting a little low right yeah why don't we let

that english grade that we've been helping him by having that fucking chick write his papers let's not have her write the paper this time and he can fail and fuck it see how he does on his own merit yeah exactly we'll see how that goes and we know how that's going to go because he's not going to do the work so he said the guy said i think he's aware of what he needs to do from talking to him it must be a humbling experience being there down at the community college perry says quote the main thing i learned since i've been here is appreciation that's a word I took for granted a lot, especially the facilities at USC. I just didn't realize when I was at Carolina how great it was because I grew up there,

and unlike some of the players, I saw games regularly. There's a curfew every night at 11 at the junior college, and there's no one around on campus after midnight because all the dormitories are locked up. It kind of forces you to study. Jesus. If you've got all that time, there's nothing else you can do. You can't go anywhere. You might as well study. It kind of forced the habit on me, but I'm taking it in stride. The rules help me a lot. Are you telling me this man waited till midnight every night to start studying? That's crazy. Well, he's like, I can't go out and party. So if I have to be in at midnight, I might as well just stay home and study.

Because I'm going to be out before otherwise. You should be sleeping at that time. Well, no. We're college. We're fucking college kids go to sleep at midnight. I don't know, but that seems like the time to be asleep. That's how Conan O'Brien became popular, because college kids watched it at 1230 at night. That's the point.

That's who was up. Letterman was the same way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not out partying, though, on the weekdays. But you can if at a regular university. I guess here you can't. I don't know. Fuck's going on here.

You're not allowed. Yeah, you're not allowed. Anyway, he said about being at South Carolina, quote, being a hometown boy has its disadvantages. You can try to do too many things. All the eyes are on you. I just didn't keep things in perspective. I didn't attend the university in good faith and do what I was there for. All my old friends from high school were around and there were always things to do.

You can't do that. Play sports and attend school. Unfortunately, yeah, you can. People do it all the time. You can't do the other shit. Unfortunately, it never hits you till it's too late. So, yeah, when he enrolls at Northwest, Jesus Christ, Northwest Mississippi Junior College here, he said, quote, that's the year I really started to get the confidence to play the game, learn

the game and be more precise about what I was doing instead of just fooling around. That's good. I started realizing it was time to market my abilities, polish things and make some money. What? So I can make some money. Yeah, I got it. I'm going to go to the NFL, I guess.

OK, he says that uh first he had to stop playing basketball completely at this point he weighed 310 pounds so yeah may as well yeah that's not gonna work i don't think you're gonna keep up with the isaiah thomas like that but he said he was still playing basketball for the junior college he was playing backup center and he said mainly it was to you know to stay in shape he said the desire was still there but i didn't let the desire rule the simple facts that i never would be able to play basketball and make a living he looked at it as what do i have a better chance of being a pro at yeah offensive linemen are six foot six three hundred ten pounds fucking basketball small forwards aren't okay well yeah yeah never mind a three isn't two three hundred

ten pounds that doesn't that's not what that means so he spends the 85 season with them and uh he's a plays very well the team goes nine and two overall the northwest state mississippi they're the rangers by the way uh tech mississippi Mississippi Tech Ag, A&M, R&T, Q&L, whatever the fuck they are. So nine and two they go, so that's good. And they win the division title. And he was named to first team National Junior College All-American. So he dominates the community college. But another college ends up stealing him

from south carolina and he's going to southern university the next year really is that one a good one going to southern yeah southern's a good school it's a historically black college i think um it's yeah they play like rambling and they play they play in that division there good school though like i remember there was uh games on ESPN a lot back in the 80s. Yeah, like one in the morning you'd see the Southern Jaguars. Are they in Mississippi? Where the fuck is Southern? I don't even know.

There's got to be, right? I think it's in there. They're in the South. It might be in South Carolina, honestly. I'm not sure. I don't remember. Someone's going to tell us, I'm sure. We'll figure it out.

When you hear this, we've definitely figured it out already, so it's okay. They're the Jaguars. He plays basketball for them as well, though. He's still playing basketball. They go 19-12, the Jaguars, in 86-87. He's on the team. You know who the starting point guard was on that team? For Southern?

Yeah. Uh-uh. Avery Johnson. Is that right yes you may know him from coaching and playing and everything else for fucking ever and the movie eddie all of it he talks like this with too much enunciation on his way too much it's really it's it's and he's got a weird voice too so it comes out stranger and you're like you're a weird little man, aren't you? And he doesn't use conjunctions. Like, every word is separate.

He says, like, you are. You know what I mean? He doesn't say you're or you're. He's like a professor. It's fucking. He's like a very, like, precise. Like, if you spoke wrongly, he'd be like, speak correctly in my classroom. And you'd be like, shit, dude.

All right. Calm down, Avery. So, yeah, Avery's on that team so that's interesting he plays there he's let's see plays in six games averages 3.3 minutes a game so not doing too much here and he averages two points and one and a half rebounds in that time so but he knows avery johnson he does know avery johnson here, though, he slims down to 305 pounds. So that's slimming down, by the way, in his best shape ever. And he has a great season.

He is named to several different All-America teams, this press group or whatever. He's also invited to play in the Senior Bowl, which is a big—that's the All-Star game, and the Freedom Bowl as well. So he does very well here. He's—I mean, can't be any better. He's doing awesome. That year there were seven and four Southern, but he's doing great. And they're talking about how excited they are to have him there. He majored in sociology and criminal justice while he was there.

Is that right? Yeah, which is really a trip when you think about when what his crimes are all like you're gonna go that asshole merit he knows a lot better the penalty criminal justice and sociology so um yeah he's doing this since he started his his freshman year at south carolina he's gained 109 pounds. Holy shit. At this point, he's 321 pounds. He goes by the end of the season, which is 109 pounds bigger than he was as a freshman, which is fucking, or as a senior in high school, which is a lot, a lot, man.

That's so much. Perry said, going into my second year at Carolina, I started getting pretty stout. That's a way to put it. All the Chick-fil-A. Stout, huskyout husky husky yeah he definitely was wearing husky pants at 65 245 and playing power forward i figured i wasn't going to make any money in the nba so i did the logical thing and switched to football okay imagine you had the the athleticism the just aptitude to be able to go i did the logical thing and started playing for a division 1a fucking football team instead duh why don't people just do that when they're not having great success in one sport just switch to another and play dominate that does he assume when driving

and he sees a homeless person he just assumes they made the wrong choice in which sport to play i think he goes why doesn't he just go buy a house that's what he'd say why doesn't he just go up to a house for sale sign and buy it and then move in i don't understand what he's doing that's the type of guy i think this guy everything has come very easy for him athletically way too easy in sports yeah everybody has kissed his ass he's always he was six five and seventh grade. Can you imagine? Yeah. Oh, Lord. I'm very tall, but I didn't get that way until ninth grade. When I was in seventh grade, I wasn't 6'5.

If you're 6'5 in seventh grade, you stand out. Everyone knows you, notices you. You're the best athlete. It's fucking ridiculous. How could you even? Good God. Anyway, he plays for Southern, and he is up for the 1988 draft in either sport. He'll take either one.

He's happy. He's expecting football. Jimmy, we talked about this not too long ago. Number one pick in the 88 draft. Now it's a memory game. 88 draft. Jesus. God damn it.

Talked about it a while ago. Was it Rick Meyer? No, that was like 92 maybe. Andre Bruce. Andre Bruce? Andre Bruce. No, the Atlanta Falcons. He was a linebacker who was a huge bust, and they tried to move him to tight end at one point.

Fuck! Because it just wasn't working. Number two, Neil Smith for Kansas City, who was great on that defensive line. Hall of Famer. Tim Brown, number six, who is a Hall of Famer. Sterling Sharp, number seven, who should have been. Would have been. Michael Irvin, number 11, Hall of Famer. Oh, fuck.

Randall McDaniel, 19, Hall of Famer. Ironhead Haywood, 24. You got tight end Keith Jackson from Philly, who was great. He was 24 you got tight end keith jackson from philly who was great he's a fucking great tight end imagine being that guy at number one looking down all those amazing talents and going i'm a piece of shit hall of famer hall of famer hall of famer even in the second round chris spielman great player for long eric allen for the eagles great player icky woods i mean all of these guys jumbo elliott for the giants great tackle uh no second round number 40 overall you have thurman

thomas the hall of famer wow for the buffalo bills yeah well and then ken norton jr right after him who's a son of a bitch as a cog on those cowboy teams then three picks later at number 44 overall pittsburgh picked dermonti dawson who's a hall of famer no kidding then the next pick the very next pick is the denver broncos so if they would have been one spot up they could have had dermonti dawson and a hall of famer and maybe a lot different of an early 90s and late 80s. Instead, they choose Gerald Perry from Southern here. By the way, five picks later, they could have had Michael Dean Perry, who's not his brother, but he is the Fridges' brother and was a very good defensive tackle.

But if they waited one more pick, you know who they could have had, Jimmy, rather than picking Gerald Perry? You know who was picked right after Gerald Perry? Flipper Anderson, Jimmy. Flipper Anderson. He may have been a Bronco. And he was where? Not the Dolphins, I'll tell you that much.

L.A. Rams. That's right. That was my favorite moment in the history of crime and sports. He played for the Dolphins, right? You're like, he played for the Dolphins, right? And I was like, no, no, no, he played for the Rams. And then I said half a sentence, and then I said, hold on a second. You thought he played for the Dolphins because his name was Flipper, right? And then you fell on the floor, and then i said half a sentence and i said hold on a second you thought he played for

the dolphins because his name was flipper right and then you fell on the floor and that was the funniest you almost had a stroke and a heart attack it was all real that was wonderful it's embarrassing it was fucking hilarious it makes sense though your brain just connected those two things. So anyway, a lot of good players in this draft. And Gerald, he's a good player, but he's not one of these top guys. He's not. Jesus, he's not Thurman fucking Thomas. No, not a Hall of Famer. Gerald said, quote, this has really been like a dream come true.

I really didn't get into football and get into this football deal too seriously until my junior year. This whole football deal. I decided to play for two years and whoop-dee-doo, I'm picked right next to a Hall of Famer. Isn't that weird? Thurman Thomas is like, motherfucker, I've done this my whole life. Whole life. Jermonte Dawson. I've played center since I was five.

You're a fucking asshole. You just said this whole football deal it's all football deal um he said even then it was hard for me to believe when different coaches were telling me my abilities were good enough to make it to the nfl i guess i lacked confidence so also right around this time he gets married to a woman named kanya which is hilarious like c-o-n-y-a like i'm gonna kanya yeah you know i'm gonna take half your shit yeah i'm gonna put you in a ponzi scheme or something but no she i don't know what i don't know what's going on here but this woman is a the the long-sufferingness of this woman and i don't understand after probably the next two years why she's still with him but

she remained with him somehow so um at this point though nfl draft in this whole football thing that he was barely taken seriously whole football deal whole football deal thing i don't know i just decided to play a little bit between that and he's got a wife and he's drafted by the broncos in the second round around hall of famers grace this is grace right here it doesn't get any better it's like a dream come true he just said god damn it it's a dream fucking come true and it falls apart so utterly quickly um it's amazing so he thinks he's funny by the way um yeah he somebody on the team was like yeah he thinks he's a comedian blah blah blah so that got out in the press right so he said quote oh my god this is amazing quote that

part about me being a comedian i'm really just the opposite i don't think they were used to having someone come in there with a smile and relaxed what they didn't understand was it's easy to smile when you've been drafted in the second round by a team who attended the super bowl so there you go um then they at a bench or a sports writer asked him how much he could bench press how much can you bench press and he said i believe i could pick you up which is a funny response um then he said this. This is, wow, should this be? Yeah, this should be an in their own words because it's just, we'll go back over it afterwards.

It's pretty fucking ridiculous. Yeah, let's do this here. In their own words, quote, I'm Pac-Man because as a basketball player, I like to clean up the boards, eat them up. I'm Ice Truck because a teammate once said i was the coolest big man he's ever seen and i'm the chef because my wife doesn't like to cook but she likes for me to do it what is he saying those are his nicknames yeah pac-man ice truck

and the chef because my wife doesn't like to cook, so she likes for me to do it. So I do. So I do. So we eat. So I'm the chef. And then Ice Truck. That's why we call the survivor. I was the coolest big man he'd ever seen.

Ice Truck. Oh, boy. And then Pac-Man because he cleans up them boards. Cleans up the boards. All right. Eat them up. Eating up those dots. Wow.

He says, though, he says quote i about basketball i still throw a death still throw it down a little bit it's basically something to help with my foot speed that's my strongest aspect not only am i big but my feet are extremely quick i attribute that to the things i learned at carolina under coach bill foster so and they said that they're counting on him to be a good left tackle here for the broncos and he said that's the general idea he said um uh quote they drafted me because they need a really they need a big left tackle i'm used to playing right tackle but when you're talking about the kind of money they are you adjust okay yeah that's the thing that's

what you do it's a lot of money that's like oh i hate shows like that what are they oh, that's the thing. That's what you do. It's a lot of money. That's like, oh, I hate shows like that. What are they? Oh, well, that's not bad, actually. I'll do it. One of those. The comics do that. So in training camp, he trims down to 300 pounds. He was 326 before training camp.

Yeah. Trims down to 300 pounds. He said, though, the jump from a small college to the pros is a little difficult. He said, but he can do it. He thinks he can do it. He said, what you find in the pros is a combination of strength and speed. It seems like everybody you go against has those qualities. That's what's so different from college.

These are all the best guys from college. It's all the U's. That's how it works. That's the use. That's how it works. That's the point. Is it you take the best players and then not force them to go to class and just focus on just this one thing? Is that what it is? And also most of the team who's going to be like selling insurance and used cars in a couple of years for alumni. These are the guys who are playing football for a living.

It's a different thing. It's like one or two of those on a team. So anyway, he said at Southern, i was a bull in a china shop technique wasn't so important for me because i could more or less manhandle anyone in front of me you can't do that up here the big thing is technique it's more of a mental game yeah yeah it's 1988 lawrence taylor is rushing from the right side and you got to get off your fucking stance before he gets around you and takes John Elway's head off. So, yeah, that's a problem. And get two in his chest fast.

Yeah. Reggie White is coming at you, bro. That's a problem. You've got to deal with that. Bruce Smith is coming at you. These are issues that you need to – different deal. Charles Haley, there's a lot here. So he said he didn't realize it there.

So he said he didn't realize it there, but he said that Dan Reeves had a private chat with him to emphasize the importance of working hard on technique. He said, this is what Reeves said, Dan Reeves, the head coach, when you come from a small school like he did, you may be able to get by on talent. He can't do that in the pros. He's got to pay attention to the little details. He's picked it up in the last week, but he's got to continue to progress. And Perry said he'd like to be a starter. He said, but I quote, I don't have all the plays down yet. You need to have everything clicking at once on this offense.

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Denver is coming off the Super Bowl loss to Washington the year before. This is very embarrassing. So that wasn't great with Timmy Smith running for all those yards and Doug Williams and everything. This year it wasn't good. This year they go 8-8 under Dan Reeves, which is the worst year they've had in a while. They went to the Super Bowl two years in a row and not this year.

But Gerald Perry plays in all 16 games. in a while they went to the super bowl two years in a row and uh not this year but he gerald perry plays in all 16 games wow he only starts six of them though oh and there's no stats because he's an offensive lineman so there's yeah yeah i don't know john elway wasn't wasn't murdered so yeah yeah john always still breathing today he survived the year so he must have been okay. Problem is, during this year, on December 12th, 1988, he is charged with raping a 25-year-old woman at gunpoint in his apartment in Westminster, Colorado. What the fuck, man? Yeah. It's amazing, Jimmy. Okay.

One of two things is going to happen here that's going to become very obvious. Over the next little while, we're going to be talking about a lot of arrests and a lot of things that happen either he kept this all under wraps and then when he finally got into the nfl he did the old fucking kingpin finally bigger and is above the law thing right yeah and just decided to not give a shit about any legalities of anything or yeah he was doing shit in college and they were covering it up because it's a small town and thing and they can you know i know the judge he's an alumni here and i'll get him to seal the wreck all that bullshit you know what i mean rape at gunpoint is a pretty serious first offense that's a lot that's what i mean it's really weird

to progress to rape at gunpoint that's from now from from not studying well and liking Chick-fil-A to rape at gunpoint is a it's a big jump. Oh, boy, that's an elevator. He is arrested for the investigation here after he surrendered to authorities voluntarily released later that day on twenty thousand dollars bond. on $20,000 bond. So they said that at the time of his arrest, a 25-year-old Aurora woman lodged a complaint against him claiming he sexually assaulted her on November 22nd.

That's when it happened. This is when the charges come out, though. Court documents show, basically, it allegedly occurred at his Westminster home after she accepted an offer of a ride from him. She was hitchhiking as her. I don't believe this, though, because we'll find out he likes he likes to go find ladies

of the night on the street is what he likes to find. So she was hitchhiking. I was not right. Because that's. Yeah, that's so. Yeah, I feel like he he goes to prostitutes a lot. So, I mean, that's like mean, we'll find that out. They frequents them quite frequently, honestly.

So, I don't know. Maybe she was a hitchhiker. I'm not sure. Yeah, oh, he's married, definitely. Absolutely. So, accepted a ride. She told investigators that she'd been drinking heavily at the time when she accepted a ride. been drinking heavily at the time when she accepted a ride she said then they drove to her she said he the guy drove her to a house where they went inside and he pointed a revolver at

her and ordered her to undress um now she claims when she didn't take her clothes off he shot one round off at the floor like he bucked the shot off and said next one's in you if you don't take your clothes off is what she said um she said then he he assaulted her that we don't get specifics of what he did but whatever it is it's something he made her take her clothes off so yeah it's some sort of rape here and uh she said later uh she was driving to she was driven to a convenience store he took her like to the 7-elevenven after that, dropped her off, and gave her $100. That is horrific. Okay.

Now, there's a really weird case, too. Now, her lawyer, his lawyer here, Gene Ciancio, said that he's confident Perry will be acquitted of this charge. He's like, this is ridiculous. Not this is crazy. His wife was away at the time, by the way. How'd you like to be on the road somewhere? And then you hear, oh, my husband got arrested for allegedly raping a hitchhiker at gunpoint. Yeah, that's terrific.

Thanks. Gunpoint raping and even if she a prostitute or not either one gunshot rape your gunpoint rape is not good no matter who she is it doesn't matter if it's a prostitute a hitchhiker a nun the fucking queen of england you can't rape people at gunpoint doesn't matter who they are that's crazy it doesn't matter you can't give them a hundred dollars afterwards and go yeah i was that's just what i'm into like no that's not okay that's fucking crazy so his lawyer said i'm sure he'll be acquitted it's kind of uh it's kind of easy for professional athletes in the public eye to be the target of this type of thing which hey if it happens once you go maybe but wow does this an emerging pattern so

apparently detectives with a warrant searched his home on November 28th because she apparently went right to the police that night. They just didn't have served the warrant for. So a week later, they served a search warrant to look around a little bit. And then they arrested him a week after that. And he said, though, that, you know, his lawyer said that his client was innocent and he's going to be acquitted. He keeps saying it in every interview. He'd insert it. Well, I think this and that.

He is innocent and will be acquitted, blah, blah, blah. By the way, did I mention he's innocent and he'll be acquitted? Did I mention that when he goes to court for it here, he's accompanied by his wife who's seven months pregnant? You have to be shitting me. So when you're seven months pregnant, you really want to go to your husband's gunpoint rape trial. That's really where you want to be for that. That's perfect. They tell you to rest.

Pissed. Yeah, trying not to have too much stress. You can exercise if it's okay. But I don't think gunpoint rape trials are really that stress here. point rape trials are really that stress here so um dan reeves holds his weekly press conference and he says that the team does not plan to take any action until the case is done in the courts wow dan that's how they used to handle it he said quote we've talked to gerald's attorney and they feel he'll be proven innocent now oh okay the guys that he pays said he's innocent the guy makes sense dan had so many heart attacks in his life this is jesus christ he has to say this shit at least face at least one of dan reeves

his heart attacks he probably called it gerald perry because gerald perry took years off of this man's life trust me and this was the same era clarence k was there and we've done an episode on him he was a fucking disaster it's a disaster so we've talked to his attorney they feel he's been innocent he's innocent now it has to go through the courts we will support gerald in any way that we can damn fuck my life wow that does not sound good. No, it doesn't. I know it's 34 years ago, but that sounds like it's 134 years ago. Like, that's a lot. You'd think he'd go, look, we're going to step back for a minute until we find out if he did this horrible shit that we told him he was going to do.

So during the 1989 training camp in the beginning, he's got to miss seven days of training camp, you know, to stand trial on first-degree sexual assault charges. So, you know, to stand trial on first degree sexual assault charges. So, you know, that goes. Jesus. The jury selection begins on July 31st. That's in the swing of training camp. So he this is fucking crazy.

He's scheduled to report to training camp on the 27th with the rest of the offensive tackles and guards. And then, you know, he's going to leave and go to trial. So Dan Reeves said that his chances of being a starter shouldn't be judged by a one-week absence. For rape, Dan! Dan, it just gets worse and worse. Quote, he's going to miss some time. It's certainly not going to help him.

Those types of things you have no control over. He's just got to do the best he can. I don't know that you move down on the depth chart just because you're going to trial. What? You don't lose your spot just for being a rapist. I mean, that's crazy, right? What are we talking about here? I feel like that policy has probably changed in recent years.

It's a different policy now, probably, than right this minute. I don't think any head coach of a football team would say that to a reporter with a running tape recorder. You know what I'm saying? At this moment in time. I'm sure the depth chart was changed dramatically very quick after Aaron Hernandez was picked up. I think he was. Very quickly. Very quickly.

Oh, man. So the trial comes up during training camp and there's witnesses there. Some of the witnesses say that Gerald Perry say that the woman who accused him refused to go to the hospital when police first contacted her after she contacted them. They contacted her back. After she contacted them, they contacted her back. Dr. Clarence Blaya, who examined her when she came to the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center some 18 hours after this happened, said he found no visible signs of trauma or anything else to prosecutors say she had rug burns on her back and he didn't notice that now um so that's how that went during the trial they said that and the doctor said he didn't see the rug burns so another witness came in here um and said that uh she appeared to be so it's just basically like she's fucked up as his case um because his one of his witnesses says that she

appeared to be high on cocaine speed or some other drug that night as well as drunk so uh this is the 7-11 clerk caesar zakahi uh z-a-k-h-i he's the clerk for the the shawarma man works here. He's the clerk at seven 11, uh, where the, uh, where that's where, you know, he left him or she left, he left her there. And, uh, he also testified that the woman stayed in the Ford Bronco arguing, cursing and refusing to get out for about 10 minutes before she entered the convenience store, which he, you know, that's's that's to me that's neither proof or not proof because if she's just someone who's trying to scam him maybe she'd be yelling at him or if he just raped her at gunpoint and then tried to drop her off at a 7-eleven with

a hundred dollars maybe you'd yell at someone for that also i can see either way something like a hundred that's all you really the the fucking torment. Anguish you just put me through. You're a Bronco and you play and you drive a Ford Bronco. I hate that. You cheese dick motherfucker. I hate that too much. And you're a football player who's fucking allegedly violent against women and you drive a Ford Bronco.

This isn't going to age well, chief. This is going to age as well as Dan Reeves's comments about this trial. It's going to age like Dan Reeves's heart. as dan reeves's comments about this trial it's gonna age like dan reeves heart well would you like to hear one of the comments she made as she walked in as she walked through the doors of the 7-eleven as they were closing behind her she turned around and yelled out to him according to cesar over here quote you dirty cheap sorry you rotten dirty cheap black motherfucker that's what she said to him so there's that that is inflammatory rotten dirty cheap black motherfucker that's what she said so i like the cheap part yeah that's weird that's the part where i like she if someone i wouldn't call

i don't know whatever so that's a weird thing to throw into the yeah so so here's the thing when you've got a kink and you pick somebody up pick up a prostitute if she's willing to act out your kink if that's what she's he's gonna she has to know about that ahead of time though that's a negotiation yes and b the price is not a hundred dollars you cheap fuck that's what i'm saying so pay for the fucking weird shit you gotta pay extra for the weird shit i mean even on deadwood the guy who just was the titty licker he paid like a high premium just to lick titty he would have gotten for the cost it was cheaper to just if you would have banged one of them but if you want to lick all the tits in a row it's going to cost you a bunch of money even

though it takes two seconds it's going to be 1010, $15 a tit. Let's go. Show some respect, man. So now the woman, she actually testified in the trial. She admitted to being intoxicated with alcohol, which shouldn't matter either way. Which nowadays, if she admitted to being so intoxicated on alcohol, that would be part of the negative against Gerald. Yeah. But back then it was like, well, I mean, he couldn't have raped her if she was drunk. That was like the way it was back then. Whereas now if she's too drunk to consent, that's also rape. Whereas back then they're like, she was shit-faced.

How could that be rape? Well, it's almost an aggravator now, sir. It is. It's crazy. So she said that she, this is her thing here. She said she accepted a ride from Perry in Aurora. She said she ended up being sexually assaulted on the living room floor of the home. And she said that Perry slapped her, threatened her with a gun and fired one shot from it before raping her.

My God, man. Now, the prosecutors accused Perry of changing the story that he had initially given police. Now, the prosecutors accused Perry of changing the story that he had initially given police when the prosecutors asked why he denied because he testified why he denied picking up the woman. Because when they questioned him, he said, I don't know who you're talking about. I didn't pick up any women. Yeah. And then later on, he's like, OK, I picked up that woman, which looks terrible. He said, quote, I didn't want to go to jail for something I didn't do.

Well, how did you even how did you even know what they were talking about? That's the point. They said, did you pick up a woman? He said, no. And then they said, they found out. And he said, why? And he went, I didn't want my wife to find out. That would at least been a believable story.

Like they said with Russell Williams in the bonus episode, like, hey, if this is just something you didn't want your wife to find out about, let me know. We get it. There will be discretion. Or are you a murderer? So he said, though, that's how it was. So basically his word against hers was how this went down. There's no real evidence either way. And there's a few hours of deliberation.

And he is found not guilty of sexual assault, rape of everything. He's just not guilty. Wow. Sorry for the inconvenience, Gerald. That's basically what they said. He burst into tears when the verdict was announced, and he testified that the woman had sex willingly with him for money. That's the way it was.

That was his testimony. I did pick her up. We went back to my house. We had sex for money. That's what this whole thing was about. Why wouldn't you just say that in the first place? Because he wanted to get away with it all. Yep.

His lawyer said the key to that case was the woman in question admitted she drank a fifth of Seagram 7 at the time. Nowadays, it's not legal to have sex with a woman that you don't know, that you've never had sex with before. If you and your girlfriend like to get shit faced and fuck great enjoy yourselves but if you never met a woman and she's too drunk to know what you're even doing right that's not okay you can't do that well yeah back then it was that was all in the game baby get more drinks in them and then get them home that was part of the jesus that's crazy yeah that's oh boy so he said gerald had picked her up as a hitchhiker gerald also claimed or she also claimed gerald fired a bullet of the floor at the floor of the apartment no one else in the complex heard it they tore his apartment up and didn't find any bullets so that's that so that's august 4th 1989 talking about, that's dodging a huge one there.

No doubt. He's acquitted and all of that. So, wow. September 15th, 1989. A month fucking later, okay? A month later. You'd think you would go, I am never, I'm going to stay in my house. I'm never going out.

It's just me and my kid and my wife. No. September 15 never going out. It's just me and my kid and my wife. No. September 15th, 1989. He is charged with, this is amazing, soliciting a prostitute. Okay. Impersonating a police officer. Can't do that. Getting worse.

Assault and battery. Oh, boy. And false imprisonment. Uh-huh. Okay. He is being charged with somehow picking up both a prostitute and her pimp yeah um somehow getting into an argument with them beating up the pimp and throwing him from a moving car shit while he was this is a man pimps the whole point of a pimp is so nobody messes with

the girl and so he can obviously live off the girl as well. But he's protecting what he says is his property. This is a man who beats up pimps not because it's the moral thing to do, because he'd like to treat this woman worse and this pimp is standing in his way. He's in the way, yeah. That's wild. I'm going to do worse to her than you do to her, sir. Yo, man, that's fucking crazy, right do worse to her than you do to her yo man that's fucking crazy right is that

am i am i off here above that's right above yeah i'm not the one that's off on this one this is uh that's that's certainly that's what it seems like it doesn't i'm not what other excuse would there be yeah what other reason would you be to punch a man that that's there in the middle of the transaction that That is crazy. So it happened on September 7th, which is even closer to the goddamn date. Yeah, he's got all these different charges against him. He consented to undergo counseling after this incident. So he's in counseling before this incident because the way they arrested him was they didn't even arrest him like with someone going to the police or the pimp went to the cops or something.

They just found him in a parked car with her at four o'clock in the morning with, quote, both of them naked from the waist down. So make this easier. Yeah. And then it all got went back to the other shit of yeah so that was the solicitation then they found out about the beating and all that stuff and the so yeah um now the witness here one of the witnesses here um this witness is named pelton jones i think that's the uh pimp yeah he admitted that he's a crack user and a two-time felon in court. Hi.

Pelton Jones. Current occupation, sir? Pimp, actually. I'm a pimp. Okay. Anything else the court should know about? Well, I'm a two-time convicted felon. And, oh, I'm quite high on crack at the moment as I am at most times.

Currently. Currently. Unbelievably addicted to crack currently got a decent crack high going we're gonna have to wrap this up in about the next 45 minutes or else i'm not gonna be a guy you want to talk to it's gonna get ugly so can you pick up the pace of these goddamn questions he said that perry picked up tanya and himself uh tanya davis is name of the woman, and drove them to an apartment to buy crack cocaine.

Sure. Why not, right? In my favor. Jones here said that Perry became upset about the cost of the crack cocaine. Can't believe it's so expensive. He's getting ripped off. Well, they're going in and going, yeah, the 10s or 20s now. You know what I mean? That's what people do. He's got money. He's got a new car,, they're going in and going, yeah, the 10s are 20s now. You know what I mean?

That's what people do. He's got money. He's got a new car, places the fucking Broncos. He doesn't care about $10. This motherfucker cares about $10. He started arguing with a pimp and a prostitute about the price of crack. So that's where we are now. A pimp, a prostitute, and a crack dealer.

No, no, no. They're the go-betweens. Okay, got it. The crack dealer's on the other side. The crack dealer's just selling crack for a set price. He's got set prices. He's like an old Western shop. Set prices, everybody.

So Peloton's jacking up the price. They're trying to play middleman and get a few extra bucks off him. That happens all the time. That's a big deal. That's what drugs are. So this guy decides he's going to argue with these two fine upstanding citizens in the middle of the night about the cost of crack which is probably negligible to an nfl player right this is not

wise at all uh criminal justice and sociology just so everybody knows so you remember is the crack for him or for them for everybody no everybody's getting crack i assume oh yeah i can't imagine he would be arguing with them about the crack of the cost of their own crack you're getting ripped off man nah fuck that i'm pissed how are you gonna let people rip you off like that pelton nah fuck that man i know you got your girls and everything like that but you can't be letting people rip you off on the crack. I see you destroying yourself, and I'm sad about that. But what I'm most sad about... It should be cheaper, B.

That motherfucker took you for 10 extra dollars, and I'm not having it. I'll go in there and make shit right. That's what he was saying. No, I don't think so. Everybody gets crack. I think it's crack. So that's what he said.

He said he became upset about the cost of the crack and ordered Pelton Jones into the truck at gunpoint at this point. So more gunplay here. Yeah. That's a kidnapping charge. He said that Perry then claimed to be a detective. Okay. Okay.

Got him in there at gunpoint. Now I'm a detective. I was. Okay. So Jones is in the front seat.point. Now I'm a detective. I was. Okay. So Jones is in the front seat. He says, I'm a detective. Then grabs Jones by the back of the head and smashes his face into the dashboard. They usually do things like that.

I'm a detective. This is standard procedure. Pow. That's standard police procedure when someone tries to rip you off on a crack deal. That's the standard. The cops don't take kindly to not getting the amount of crack they paid for. Will you, Axel Foley? Calm down.

Oh, my God. So the day after this whole incident happened, that's when Clarence K. was cited for drunk driving the next day. So it was like, fuck my life, man. Jesus Christ. Yeah, he was pulled over for speeding. and we did the whole episode about that he was facing a lifetime banishment from the league at that point for all sorts of offenses so a few days later dan reeves he's had it now because arteries are blocking yeah beats are Beats are irregular. Things are happening in there.

Things are churning for the future. The heart is under some stress. Oh, man. He, at this point, he's never done this before. He's never had to impose a curfew on his team. But now he has imposed a 1 a.m. curfew on his team now. Wow. So, like, when you're on the road and you have to be in a hotel, it's by one o'clock or the night before games. They also stay in the stay in a hotel.

Usually it's to not have distractions. And that's you got to be there in by one o'clock. He said he's, quote, irritated as heck. A guy that sees prostitutes screams heck. Heck. That's Dan Reeves said that. Oh, OK. Yeah, I could see Dan saying that.

He didn't say i'm irritated as heck with these crack prices get in the truck i don't think that was the dialogue with the pimp so he said quote i've never had a rule before uh before during the regular season except the night before a road game now it's cut and dried if somebody does it it's not like i'm picking them out you're done so uh. So he said that any Broncos player seen in public after 1 a.m. faces disciplinary action and any player ticketed for alcohol or drug-related offenses will automatically be suspended without pay for at least one game. You know, a lot of players have not had a lot of six chances. No.

He just said alcohol or drug offenses is an automatic one-game suspension. Didn't say anything about rape arrests, though. We're kidnapping. We're going to let the courts play that one out. But drugs, you're done. You smoke weed. You're out of here, pal. He said, quote, I think when somebody is out at that time of the morning,

they definitely don't have the football team's best interests in mind they're grown men and hopefully they're going to handle themselves like grown men all of a sudden you get two instances that happen and that's definitely my in my opinion conduct detrimental to the club it's detrimental because i'm spending more time talking about those than i'm preparing for a football game. That's what Dan Reeves said. He said also, I'm held responsible for it, so it reflects very badly on me. That irritates the heck out of me because I'm not that type of person.

Hold on. Ow, these chest pains. You ever get that? Like right in the middle of your chest, just like there's somebody jamming an iron rod into there. You ever get that? Really? Okay, I'm going to go back to practice, guys.

My fingers, and I think I smell toast. I got to go. Left arm. Yeah, there's a stroke, too. It's a lot. I'll be back later. So 1989, this is all before the 1989 season. So 89 now.

Yeah, they have a great 11-5, this distracted team goes, though. 11-5 for the Broncos here. They go first round of the playoffs. They beat the Steelers 24-23. How about that? So edged them. And then the Browns, they go to, this is, what, the third time? Yeah.

In the late 80s, they beat the Browns in a championship game. They get so mad about it. At least this time it wasn't a heartbreaker. It was 37-21. Oh, God, Jesus, that's a beating. Speaking of not a heartbreaker, they go to the Super Bowl to play the 49ers, and this is like one of those games where you go, if you could say, have you ever seen a football team play a perfect game?

You go, I don't know, that Super Bowl with the Niners against the Broncos, it's pretty close pretty well pretty close 55 to 10 is the final score and it wasn't even that close no that those are mercy points i was very sad about that whole thing too that was a bad time that was a crying day during that season he gerald had one game where he had six penalties in one game. Oh, boy. Which is way too much. They also sacked Elway twice.

So they were not happy with him that day at all, as you can imagine. He does start 15 out of 16 games. Wow. Not too shabby at all. He has one fumble recovery. So there's that. Here comes the trial for his kidnapping and soliciting and all that. Yeah.

He testified, Gerald does in his own defense, that he picked up a woman for sex. Yes, that's true. Yes. Yeah, I love that. I picked up a woman for sex. That is true. But I did not try to buy cocaine. I didn't kidnap anybody.

And I certainly didn't throw a man out of my car while it was moving or at gunpoint or anything else like that. So his attorney asked him on the stand, do you understand you're admitting to things that are not only immoral, but one of them is against the law? And he says, yes, I do. I got to be honest. You know, God, he's just an honest man so uh impersonating an officer that's wild so um fuck man um oh my god by the way uh when they found him when they pulled up he got out of his car with his pants off and she was still in the car with her pants off that's how they found them oh my god hello officers back and forth. He just waved his dick instead of his.

He waved it back and forth. Hi, guys. Little Gerald says hi. You got me. You got me. So he's in all of this. His Pelton Jones testifies that Perry picked him up on East Colfax Avenue. He said Perry contributed $20 toward a cocaine purchase, then drove to the crack house to

make the buy. He said afterward, when they got in the car, Perry told them they were under arrest. And that's when he beat him up, smashed him into the dashboard and threw him out of the car. I'm going to steal your woman and your Coke is what he said, which is what the pimp is saying, basically. So they said, well is what the pimp is saying basically. So they said, well, why didn't you contact the police? He said, quote, because he said he was the police.

Yeah. If you're a pimp who just bought crack, you don't go, hey, a cop just beat me up and took my crack and threw me out of the car. Who the fuck would call the police for that if that's your situation? I didn't get his badge number. No. Yeah. If it's a cop, if that's your situation? I didn't get his badge number. No. Yeah. If it's a cop, if it's a dirty cop, he burns you.

And if it's a clean cop, you just got lucky you didn't get arrested. So that's what you're thinking. So anyway, Perry said, no, no, no. That didn't happen at all. That's terrible. Jones never entered my vehicle. He said that I wouldn't even let Tanya Davis smoke crack in my car. I made her smoke it outside the car.

He said, quote, I told her she couldn't smoke it in here because of my profession. We could be drug tested randomly. So the verdict comes in here. He is found guilty of soliciting a prostitute, but not guilty of kidnapping and impersonating an officer and there's a mistrial on the aggravated assault charge so real um yeah it was a panel of uh four women and two men it was a six-person jury and they reached the verdict after two hours of deliberations so there you go he's found innocent and oh i'm sorry the mistrial was declared on the false imprisonment charge and acquitted acquitted of the other two he could be

fined 999 dollars and face up to 180 days in jail though so yeah there's that um oh the the lawyer says quote the jury didn't believe the prostitute and her pimp, primarily because they admitted they were smoking crack at the time and had no idea what was happening. Oh, boy. I think they did. I don't know. I'm just going to go out on a limb here. So, yeah, this is fucking ridiculous. Now, he will serve.

He is sentenced to, you, sir, may fuck off a 15-day sentence for this. You're going to get that. Served at his discretion? Well, he got sentenced to 120 days in jail, but suspended all but 15 on the condition that he has no additional violations for a year, which is impossible. Problem is, this is around the Super Bowl. So he's fined $610 as well here.

They do say, though, he also has to serve 100 hours of community service and pay $110 in court costs. But he missed a day of practice for this. But they end up saying he can serve it after the Super Bowl. That's nice. That's nice. Dan Reeves said, quote, I can understand his feelings, not being mentally ready to handle the situation,

to jump right into the game here. I talked to Gerald Wednesday night, and I knew he was hurt with the trial and everything. I think the sentence, having to serve some time, really shocked him. He said, Dan also said he wasn't sure if he would penalize Perry for his absence. He said, that's a decision I'll have to make because you're dealing with 48 other people

that caused you a problem for when you don't show up for practice. But I'll deal with it like I always do on a personal basis. Yeah. After I take baby out of bed, baby Tylenol. Wow. It's hard to make those decisions until you talk to someone and I haven't talked to him. He's got to move forward. He can't not face this thing. I know it's tough, but we've got to help him pull through. Holy shit.

So, wow. What's that? We, he's saying we, we've got to help him through it. Help him. Got to help him not want to fuck strange women on the street so much and

smoke crack or whatever allegedly oh my god be fine with a kid oh by the way during this time they have another kid one of the kids is named of course gerald jr yeah gerald perry jr of course so he's done he's everything a crime and sports episode should be everybody so january 10th 1990 jimmy yeah this is right after that happened okay this is before the super bowl before everything yeah the prosecutors plan to uh seek the formal conviction and sentencing of him for solicitude for soliciting a prostitute because he violated a pre a plea agreement because he was arrested before that and they just found the record so he's been arrested again they said they arrested him june 15th and they didn't realize that was on the record when they made this deal so now there's a

he's got more so now that negates the other deal he made so uh he this was for twenty dollars to where he offered twenty dollars this time not to a crack head and her pimp but to an undercover police officer for sex so that's how he rolls man um these oh gerald he ends up being uh they charge him for he pleas here uh for a charge of soliciting and the city drops a prostitution charge and he is prosecutors agreed to defer judgment which means that it would have been dismissed if he stayed out of trouble which he didn't but they didn't realize it was on the record

so holy shit they now contend that those cases and subsequent conviction violate the provisions of his plea agreement and they want a conviction entered and sentence imposed on February 2nd when there's court. And they do. On February 2nd, he begins serving two concurrent 15-day sentences, so 15 days in jail.

A few days later, while he's in jail, he, by the way, he's kept isolated from prisoners because he's famous, they said. He was in the Super Bowl like last week, so they're going to keep him isolated. The warden said, when you're housing a high-profile individual, you have to be concerned for his welfare. He said they interview him in prison. This is with KCNC Channel 4. DNC Channel 4. And he said, quote, Sometimes people make me feel like the only difference between the 1990s and slavery is that it's more sophisticated now.

Oh, Gerald. Yeah. He said that white Broncos players receive preferential treatment and media treatment not accorded to black Broncos players and said the problems of white players often go unreported. He said, quote, I think that a lot of black players are not getting a fair shake. I think a lot of things are blown out of proportion when they're really not that big of a deal. You had a rape trial. That's a big fucking deal. Even if it didn't happen, it's bad for the league.

It doesn't look good. If you're running a business and one of your high profile people that you put their name on the back of their fucking jersey and send them out there with your name on the front and theirs on the back, and they're on a rape trial, that's different. You're literally representing people. Not to mention, I mean, maybe he's talking about the team, but Dan Reeves bent over backwards to kiss his balls, didn't he? Yeah, yeah. We got to help him through it we do this we're not gonna buy like holy shit man dude dan was saying all the right things about treat everybody equally i mean fucking a man this is crazy this is wild wait till you hear what else he does on the team this is nuts so um that aren't really a big deal so he said that um

about the sexual assault he's acquitted of the you know, cheap, rotten, all that. He said, quote, Here's a black guy supposedly that raped a white girl but is acquitted by a white jury. I just don't see where it's satisfied the media. They didn't think it was enough. I don't think the media would have ever placed that call had i been white to harass um it's uh the attorney about what are you going to do about gerald because he said the media called to say the prosecutor to say are you going to prosecute this guy you know because they need that for the story because it's about a denver bronco player who's accused of rape it's kind of a big deal in denver

at gunpoint at gunpoint he said quote i don't think the media would have ever placed that call had i been white to harass aurora city attorney dave beard about what are you going to do about gerald i don't think that call would have ever been made i feel like i've got more coverage on a misdemeanor than mariel emmanuel noriega this guy's got to be the worst of criminals but i see him less on tv than i see myself in denver that might be true because the Broncos are a little bit kind of all anybody gives a shit about Denver. Big deal. Kind of everything.

There's no baseball team. There's no hockey team yet. So that's it. That's it. He said, quote, it's deaf. It definitely was a racist thing.

And, uh, they said that they asked him if it was a result of racism in the media, the judicial system or the community. And he said, it's everywhere. The police just can't come off and unjustifiably make charges against me unless everybody else wants it. And then he said that black players face a difficult environment in Denver. He said what's happening is these allegations with

Bobby Humphrey, which was driving under the influence of alcohol and speeding, and Michael Brooks, which was drunk driving, and Simon Fletcher, which was third-degree assault. These things get back to future players for the pros. It makes them hesitant about coming here. It may sound far-fetched, but Denver may not have any black players here in 10 years. It's a very serious problem. Well, in 10 years, they're going to be two times Super Bowl champs. So watch your mouth. And in 30, they'll be signing Russell Wilson as their quarterback.

Perry said it's inconceivable. By the way, they had, what's his name? The first NFL quarterback. One of the first guys ever. Oh, my God. He played, fuck my life. He's Norris, Norris, fuck Norris something. Is that his first name? Norris Jones. Norris something. Is that his first name?

Norris Jones? Peterson? Norris Jones. I think he was number 10. I can remember seeing that. I remember watching on YouTube a Monday Night Football game because I wanted to see the game. It was cool.

So anyway, it's a very serious problem. And I don't know anything about Denver, so I don't know if it's a, you know, I don't know what it is. It's a very white town. Yeah, I mean, it's like I don't know what it is. He's it's a very white town. It's yeah. I mean, it's like a Patagonia wet dream town. It's a different it's sponsored by sponsored by Patagonia. Coors is there for Christ's sake.

It's very white. He said it's hard to believe that every white player that plays sports in this state. And I'm talking about college and pro could go through life and never have a problem, never have a DUI, never had anything. It must be being chauffeured around by one of these God's angels. I don't know what the fuck that means. Or by one of God's angels. There you go. So that's what he said.

By the way, there's been like four white players arrested at some point during here, too, for DUI type shit. So it's racism, is what he said or it's crack that's i mean if it happened one time you go you can give someone the benefit of the doubt but the thing is he got a lot of the benefit of the doubt yeah the media reported it because people are rabid for any bronco news in denver but his coach and his team supported the shit out of him. I mean, they got, they were the silver,

a son of a bitch as ever in that statement. We were like, holy shit, you're charged with rape. And Dan Reeves is like, I don't know. We'll see how it works out. Wow.

So after he says that he gets out of jail after 15 days and whatever, and about a, about two months goes by. And then April 13th, 1990, he gets in a fight with a guy named Patrick C. Powell in a restaurant. In a restaurant, Jimmy, he got in a fight. He's charged with assault for that. This was right after he's charged with assault, he leaves for a 30-day stay in an Arizona drug and alcohol clinic.

Yeah. And, yeah, he does that. So that's April 19th. He goes there, sent to Arizona for rehabilitation for at least 30 days, they said. And then two days after he leaves, that's when the assault charges actually charged. Like he knew that was coming. So he went to rehab here. Anyway, this is what happens.

A guy from Denver, Patrick C. to rehab here anyway this is what happens a guy from denver patrick c powell claims that the gigantic offensive lineman started punching him in the eye at the spruce street lounge on april 13th yeah he'd been undergoing psychiatric counseling after his second conviction for solicitation so he's been going to a shrink and then he was went to rehab and all that they did say they're not going to extradite him from rehab yeah for these charges but they said when he comes back in they're going to serve him with the summons they said that the detective interviewed a witness who said he saw gerald perry punch powell in the restaurant people saw it yeah people saw it so may he's out of rehab

here he's fresh as a daisy and uh hasn't been at the Broncos headquarters since returning from rehab, even though Dan Reeves said he'd like to see him there. Yeah. He said, quote, I haven't. I just want to see what he's looking like nowadays. I haven't talked to Gerald, so I don't know. But hopefully that working out has been in his plans if he's planning on playing. I don't know if he's been sitting around eating fucking Twinkies and Chick-fil-A and waffle fries for I don't know how long.

Sitting in a bathrobe. We have no idea. Just waffle fries dripping down it. Not crumbs. Just spare waffle fries that just fell as he ate them by the handful. Attempts to his waffle mitt. Yeah. Rehab robe. Rehab robe.

Rehab robe. So he did some running and stretching. He came into practice, did some running, stretching and weightlifting and all that. And he went to some little thing they had, some little scrimmage thing. So Dan Reeves said, quote, when Gerald left here for the clinic, he really didn't want to go. He didn't even want to go to rehab. Now he says that it was the right place for him.

A lot of people with drinking problems don't realize they have a problem. The therapist did a good job with him. I see more enthusiasm now. He seems to be feeling good about himself. Orson, who's Orson Mobley, the tight end. You remember him? Think about remember that name. Orson Mobley, the tight end, and Clarence K were the same way when they came back from alcohol rehab clinics.

Okay. They asked, what do you expect of Perry? He says, quote, it's not a matter of pleasing me. He's got to keep himself clean, and that's the bottom line. He has a completely new slate as far as i'm concerned wow bro you can't get more chances than the denver fucking broncos are giving you like a lot of people get eight chances jay that's what i mean like that's wild man uh that's a lot that's really why i'm like i'm sure in the late 80s there was i don't know whatever it is i'm not

i'm not saying there wasn't any racism here but your fucking team couldn't bend over any farther backwards for you everybody has acquiesced your entire life and what in denver especially back then what the broncos say that's what it is that's they're the gods of the fucking land that's it they they ran everything so anyway um he said uh um he has got the completely clean slate. He's trying to get his body in shape now. Mentally and physically, he has to be in shape in order to compete. And to do that, he can't drink. It sounds simple, but not for an alcoholic.

And Reeves said that Perry's been advised by a psychiatrist not to talk to the media about his troubles until a later date. We haven't heard a thing about alcohol playing a problem in his life it's all just so far it's been uh i need my dick sucked and i'm willing to pay 20 for it so far it's yeah i'm gonna do maybe i'll pay 20 or maybe who knows maybe i won't 1990 denver broncos not quite a very good year this is the decline of the Broncos here for a while until they come back up later on and win two in a row

but here their record is 5-11 this year not good only 8 games and he only starts 8 games not exactly a Mr. Reliable this year. But it's not an injury.

No. Not an injury. It's not like, you know, it's not a knee. It's not just, you know, like his little kid is sick and he's got to sit by the hospital bed of his poor leukemia-ridden junior child. None of that shit. He's in a lot of trouble. Let's talk about that trouble now his birthday is november 12th as we discussed that is the day he was born well

november 12th i don't know what the fuck was going on some kind of partying because late night on his birthday um something comes out here that is bad things that put him under investigation for third degree sexual assault. It's not so much. Well, it is. I mean, obviously, it's a terrible crime, but it's who the crime is against. That is the crazy part. Okay. The crime is against Carmen Santiago, which I, Jimmy, I know.

I read that name and I went, oh, no. Because I went, this is like a victim, I guess, and I don't want to be disrespectful, but I'm going to call her Carmen Sandiego repeatedly. For the entire time, yeah. I can't not call her Carmen Sandiego just because our whole childhoods, maybe younger people don't get it, but our whole childhood's where in the world is Carmen San Diego? Carmen San Diego. In fucking elementary school, they put you in the computer lab. What did you play? Where in the world is Carmen San Diego?

I know where Reykjavik is because of Carmen San Diego. Shit like that. Like Reykjavik or whatever the fuck it's called. That's what I mean. So this is difficult. Carmen Santiago and later to be Mobley. What? whatever the fuck it's called that's what i mean like we so this is difficult carmen santiago and later to be mobley what she is the fiancee of tight end orson mobley what did he do this is a teammate's fucking fiancee he is charged with sexually assaulting wow okay now i'm not a football player okay i've never been

in an nfl locker room as a player i don't know exactly what the vibe is like i've heard more about baseball from having baseball friends and stuff stuff like that but i'm pretty sure in any environment it is frowned upon for anybody on the team to sexually assault anybody else's fiance. I feel like that's the line. I've heard tell of some camaraderie in there. Yeah, that's got to be the line here. He was removed by police from a home, from their home or her home, at 3 o'clock in the morning. He was making unwanted sexual advances to the point where she had to retreat and call police.

It's my birthday. Yeah, probably. I'm sure he's had a few drinks maybe, allegedly, by 3 a.m. too on his birthday. So, yeah, they investigate the thing. She says that he forced himself upon her, touched her breasts, and pinned her against the wall yikes and um yeah that's a uh that's not good man that is uh that's bad stuff right there in any case but like i said a teammate's fucking girlfriend fiance not even girlfriend that is obscene yeah wild um he is put on an immediate leave of absence from the team yeah they can't fucking have him around there and um it's it's wild um that's all we'll just say that and they said

that he seemed enthusiastic and everything he was all excited that before that and then this ended up happening coach dan reeve said he can't speculate about perry's future with the team but they have they've given him an indefinite leave of absence yeah i think it's like we well we can't have him and mosley mosley or yeah mosby mobley mosby i was calling him mosley mobley on the same fucking team obviously that's not gonna work so uh gotta figure this out he had to turn himself in later uh because he's on another charge and he has to appear in court they said that the investigators plan to submit their evidence to the prosecutors and see if they're going to get charges here.

By the way, the next week, the Mobley and Perry were assigned to be roommates starting that next week. Oh, dear God, shuffled roommates. And they were going to be room room buddies here. Yeah.

Starting from now on. So, wow. That's crazy. Greg Craig in the nose tackle said it was very distracting and we couldn't get away from it it was in the newspapers every day on the radio or tv everywhere the broncos did this the broncos did this these guys did all these horrible things it was frustrating there's a lot of good people out there uh people always get that but that always gets buried good people are boring everyone was really sticking together the defense pulled for the offense the offense pulled for the

defense guys were helping each other out much more than in the past well it came to a 5 and 11 season so it's much better you have a better season when you're fucking left tackle and the guy playing right next to him don't have sexual assault charges filed against him you know so in assault court here um this is for the patrick powell in the bar punching not assaulting yeah not assault you got to keep him straight here he's got a lot to shuffle here court's got to keep up um yeah the juror did his lawyer said quote patrick Patrick Powell is five foot six. The jury was swayed when two witnesses, totally unconnected to either party, claimed that Powell was, quote, the most obnoxious and intoxicated person they'd ever seen. He had a comment. Powell said he politely asked Gerald to move so he could use the bathroom and that Gerald hit him in the eye.

So the lawyer said if gerald had really done that powell wouldn't have gotten up so he's he's huge um but the thing is here and this is i'm not six six three hundred and ten pounds so i'm six four and you know less than 200 pounds but i know who i can fight and who i can't you can't you can't hit little people yeah you can't if you're a lot bigger people you can't hit when your fist is the half the size of someone's head you can't punch them in the face that's not that's dangerous sometimes uh five six guys know that and that's the problem that's a big problem that's a problem so you know i've known for a long time like i don't care what it is.

Fucking ignore it. Fuck this guy. Ignore it. Don't kick his ass. I'll fucking kill him. Well, I could literally kill this person, and I don't want to. Fist too big for his head. Not going to work.

So after he is in court here, he is acquitted of third degree assault charges again. You know, James, not a lot of people get nine chances nine they really don't just gerald and cats that's it that should be his nickname fuck the ice man and pac-man gerald the cat the kitty cat yeah the kitty cat the gerald the feline so after he's acquitted he goes outside and said that i retire i'm retiring from football i can't do this anymore he said i can't i can't play football in denver anymore so i gotta retire he said that i quote cannot live here in peace okay maybe retire from crime you were out at a at a joint you're out at a bar late which we all know we've said if you're out at a bar it doesn't mean people can fuck with you but there

are you're once you enter a bar late at night especially if you're a public figure you're knowing that there's a chance i am going to have to either leave while somebody fucks with me or kick the shit out of somebody tonight so you know that for a fact so that's fine it shouldn't be like that but it is that's the world it's kind of like you know a woman knows she can't go into the hell's angels bar with a fucking short skirt on by herself you know and no underwear and not expect the things things to happen she should be able to do that but she's also self-preservation is a fucking key here so it's the same thing you know what i'm saying so he did he does all these actions and he keeps getting acquitted and then he says everybody's against me it's like your team has

got your back and the juries keep acquitting you it seems like the only people that are against you are cops at three in the morning when you're doing shit you're not supposed to be doing right that's it this is the only fucking people against you so he said he cannot live here in peace and uh that is what he's saying dan reeves said that he would try to accommodate perry's wishes and uh when the trading period resumes he said if they're still in the same if they're still the same and he wants to go somewhere else at that point he says i haven't talked to him since last week he reeves said i really don't know what his future is. I think he was sincere when he said he felt like he couldn't play here, particularly right now. For his sake, that's unfortunate because I personally feel he's got a future in football and the best place for him is here. But apparently he doesn't see it that way.

I can understand and certainly respect that. And we'll just see what we can do next year. Gee, he sounds just like George Wallace,ace that dan reeves doesn't he he's just i'd look gee i'll do anything i can for the young man love to keep him around and uh you know nurture him and get him to be better or i'll send him somewhere else if he'd prefer that like either being as this team is as accommodating as possible you can't listen i we're the ones who are always saying jesus christ that's like in sports especially we're like how blatantly racist can you get dan reeves is being i fuck

i can't even explain it he is the most like a father he's very accommodating that's all i'm saying that's all i mean and i understand feeling like the world's against you at this point but for fuck's sake stop going to fucking prostitutes and have just fuck your wife and that's it don't fuck anybody else that's a great place to start yeah so anyway uh perry though he says he's quote resigning from football resigning from football oh my rib that hurt resigning from football yeah and uh he said that he um yeah he doesn't want to. Dan Reeves said, though, I thought he said he wants to continue his career, but I think he just doesn't want to do it here. I think he's just being dramatic.

So anyway, he could get two to eight years for his sexual assault charge. Right. Oh, and then he also has another assault charge he got arrested for, for putting a man named Jonathan Bell in a chokehold in a bar somewhere. He's got to stay out of booze and women. Just focus on football for a while, son. Wow. This is fucking crazy, man. Dude, this is nuts, Gerald.

You got to fucking slow your roll. Too much. He's been in the league for two and a half years. It's not even like this is over a 40-year period or something. This is wild so he's he's cramming an entire lawrence taylor off-field career into like two years you can't do that it's bad for your body so he doesn't um his lawyer says quote i don't know how to say this and not leave the impression that i think gerald has been treated unfairly he says but the media has written more on gerald here in denver than they have on the persian gulf because this was after the war obvious during the persian gulf war he said gerald has been under a microscope columnists have demanded that

gerald be jailed and even that coach reeves should resign for having gerald on the team in his last trial we had to interview 30d candidates for the jury before we could find six jurors, and all of them had heard of Gerald. That's not a lot, by the way, 30 to get six. Not a lot. I doubt that there's anyone in Colorado who hasn't heard of Gerald. Yeah, that's what happens. Now, his lawyer says Perry is a good person with a bad problem. Not his proclivity for unwanted sexual advances, but instead he's an alcoholic.

That's his problem. Right. He said, quote, he spent eight months on the wagon, then fell off. When he falls off, he lands on somebody. Sick, sick. With his cock out. Yeah. That's the problem.

And it slides into them. Yeah. He said when he's not drinking, he's one of the most charming people you'll ever meet, a big teddy bear. When he's drinking, he has a major problem with self-control. I think it's indicative of something that his wife is still with him, though. She's a resilient woman. I would say. Resilient's not even the fucking word.

They have two children. If I were the Rams, I would make sure he stayed with the Alcoholics Anonymous, stayed with the 13-step program he's on. That's because he'll end up on the Rams here. That was during the offseason. So that's because the Broncos put him on the reserve squad here. You're over, basically, squad. This means he can't play again this season and forfeits the remaining salary,

but it was like a month, and they're trying to trade him is what they do. So they end up trading him for Gaston Green, the running back. Remember him? To the Rams. By the way, I have the entire – the Broncos' salaries from that year. All of their salaries is in a list here, and it's pretty interesting. Gerald Perry made $225,000 in 1990. That's not bad.

That's a pretty decent scratch. I mean, he's a young guy. It's his first contract. He's a second rounder, so you're not going to make that much money. John Elway made $1,450,000. Is that right? He had been to three Super Bowls. Made a million and a half one half 1,450,000

grand that would be 30 million dollars right now he'd be making if he was in the nfl doing that which is fucking crazy so uh yeah i thought you'd be interested in that anyway see what carl mecklenburg made 900,000 oh why right now not even a million dollars for carl yeah not even a million 900 grand that's. So there you go. That's unbelievable. And it just cost him like $900 million when the Broncos sold. No shit. They offered him stake and ownership, and he declined in lieu of cash.

I'll just take the money. I'll take the money. Yikes. They'll take 1,450,000 grand. So yeah, he's traded there. They expect the Rams are very excited because he's coming back and they're getting, they signed Marcus Dupree.

You know who he is? No, he's, it was like the greatest high school running back ever. He burned out in college and then like, it's a lot. There's a 30 for 30 on him. It's an amazing fucking story,

but it's, he didn't, he wasn't going to be playing in the NFL here. So they said, hopefully we can get Gerald Perry on the practice field and revved up for playing we're very impressed with gerald perry what we've seen of gerald perry anyway he's only had one good day of practice before he got hurt but he's a pretty tenacious guy and a hard worker so may 24th 91 he has to go to court. At the time of the incident, Carmen Santiago said that it just flows so well. It does. Said that Perry was, quote, violent, angry, and physical.

Quote, there was no doubt in my mind he was trying to hurt me. I won't be able to put it behind me for a long, long time. And this is someone he can't dismiss as, oh, some crackhead on the street. This is a professional athlete's fiance and your teammate. Yes, that's what I mean. She's as reputable as your wife is. Yes. So he can't even shoot that as a defense. So after this goes on for a minute here, they end up, I think, taking a recess in court, and they come back.

Now they have a plea bargain all of a sudden. I think his lawyer went, there's no saying. We can fight this. This is horrible. Yeah. She's believable. This is bad. This looks terrible for you.

And you left the Broncos, too, which is not helping you now. He's still here. So either way, he makes a plea bargain. Carmen Santiago said she was satisfied with the plea bargain, so that's good. He is sentenced to, here we go, sexual assault, third-degree sexual assault. Misdemeanor is what he pleads guilty to. He is sentenced to, you, sir, may fuck off 180 days in jail. But.

That's six. Yeah, that's six months. But he suspends 105 of them. Oh, what? So 75 days in jail and he must contribute $5,000 to a charity that helps victims of domestic violence and sexual assault. I like that. Yeah, that's fine. That's good.

He will be allowed to join the Los Angeles Rams after missing only a couple weeks of training camp, and they're all excited for it here. He also, though, faces another hearing here where the judge will decide whether to add another 45 days to the sentence for violating probation on his conviction of solicitation of prostitution. He's got a lot going on. So he thought initially he could finish his jail time in time to join the Rams in training camp on July 17th, but then the judge added 15 days to his sentence for violation of probation on the previous solicitation charge so he's going to join them a little bit later he has estimated that

in his last three years he spent 200 grand on legal fees he makes 200 grand a year right so you figure if he's made 600 grand a third of that's taxes a third of that's legal fees and then some of it's his age. And he has no fucking money. How does he have any money? This is crazy. So, wow, he needs to play, and he needs to play hard. So his lawyer said that that estimate's pretty close because he's the one collecting it.

Lawyer also said that Perry was very happy with the trade, but he's depressed about being in jail and missing training camp. His lawyer said he's just looking forward to going someplace where he can start over and rebuild his family's life. Just needs to start over. Needs to be good now. So the summer of 1991, he spends 65 days in jail.

Here. That's what he does. That's his summer vacation. 65 days in jail for molesting Mobley's wife he does that's that's his summer vacation 65 days in jail uh for molesting mobley's wife and he's uh 1991 they think he's going to be really good his coach says uh robinson says we're hopeful but that by changing his environment it's going to be a positive thing for him his dick will not be as hard in missouri we just have a feeling wait no they're in la oh in la yes that's right that's still la yeah with the beach are you out of your mind here we have much no you don't understand jimmy i'm this i'm john robinson right now we have i don't know if you've been around in

los angeles but we have much more easily accessible prostitutes that i feel like it's gonna really it's really gonna be a good thing for him. You know, he doesn't have to go underground. The coach said, quote, he's had some trouble. That's an understatement,

John, but there's also a number of very positive things about him. According to people, we know we've heard, I've heard according to people. I know. In other words, bullshit.

Is that what that means? That means bullshit. That's words, bullshit. Is that what that means? That means bullshit. That's code for bullshit. He said he's just looking for a fresh start. He's real happy about it. That's terrific. Wow. Then his agent said that his client's problems aren't as serious as reported and emphasized the only crime he's been convicted of is solicitation of a prostitute.

He said, quote, he's battled through it and he's done the right thing. He's just handled it. Considering all the pressure on him, I think he's done a tremendous job of handling it, of living and not dropping dead. Late September 1991, two months into all this, he's trying to keep quiet. He's starting a left tackle started the first two games he's doing well he says that uh alcohol is a struggle for him he said this is a quote this is a lifelong battle it just won't go away uh but it's it's going to be there all the time but i'm

strong i'm not in a rush about things i don't feel scared about something that's not going to happen it's pretty cool here i feel good here i'm enjoying myself about as much as much as i personally can during the season so um yeah he went right from jail to training camp um jackie slater who's a legendary tackle uh jackie slater said quote he's an extremely talented person really light feet for a big man you know he's heavy but he doesn't look at nor does he move that way he's an extremely talented person, really light feet for a big man. You know, he's heavy, but he doesn't look it, nor does he move that way. He's got those big, long arms that are tremendous weapons. So, yeah, he said, though, that two months away from Denver has been pretty good. He said, though, it's going to take a while before the attention's off of him still.

He said, quote, it's not over. I mean, I have scars from that. I'm just about to live. I'm just trying to live everyday life. I can't sit there and go over it and go over it. Talking about it every day doesn't let me go on with my life. You never know how long is sufficient to erase people's perceptions. I'm sure there's a lot of people still thinking about it.

It just happened like last year. That's why. But I'm not going to sit there and worry about myself. And I'm just going to go on and try to continue feeling good about myself and let the rest take care of itself. And convinced he's a fucking victim. Convinced he's a victim. What he doesn't realize is when he had like a team barbecue and he said, bring your families. Not one person brought a woman.

Just all the dudes showed up without any. Where's your wife? She's busy today. She's doing her hair with her mother or something. I don't know. It's a real sausage fest here. Real sausage fest. Nobody's bringing their woman there.

So he said also, quote, I feel good to be out of there about Denver. I haven't been here long enough to know that some big, huge chant change has really taken place. Life is still life. It's still challenging for me to deal with alcohol. Well, that's good. Anyway,

he said that he hasn't joined the AA yet in the LA area, but he plans to probably once the season's over. He said he has no time for it during the season. He said the Rams are providing him counseling on the side though. We'll side counsel. He says he does still have urges to drink. He's going to deny it he says yeah i mean it depends on what situation you put yourself in alcohol is there and it can be very very tempting to me that's why it's not a good idea for me to be in that situation so i know these things lay low and stay away from these type of things. Absolutely. Jackie Slater said, I think for the most part, that's all behind him. He's just a regular guy doing regular things.

What is he, Jimmy? He's good now. He is good now. All good. He even said, we've had some unfortunate things happen that have forced me into this situation, but that's okay to me. It's all good. 91 Rams go 3 and 13 out who gives a shit this is the jim everett uh led rams with uh they do have flipper anderson on this team really no henry ellard flipper anderson uh mike pagel the backup quarterback christ he was the browns backup quarterback for a long time in the 80s he sucked no air dickerson this is this is bad no no no he was gone already yeah yeah he's this

is this is not a good time for the rams here 3 and 13 jesus christ uh they uh play he plays in 11 games starts nine of them and uh there you go by the way i just found this in an albuquerque newspaper somebody had written an article about Perry. And this is a cheap joke, but it's one of those where you're like, that's still funny. He had gotten called on a bunch of false start plays in a game. And they say there's a real easy way to dupe Perry into false starts. Just yell, will the defendant please rise? It's not bad. It's habit.

91 salaries, by the way. I have gerald perry made 250 grand that year jim everett made two million bucks wow more than john elway jim everett made two million dollars for what remember jim everett bringing the ram solo superbowls what the no i don't yeah that was the same time he was flipping over he was flipping tables on jim rome at that point that's ridiculous august 1992 irma judy gomez is a woman's name um and guess what uh she yeah people grab her when she doesn't want to be grabbed well she filed a lawsuit in orange county superior court saying she was sexually assaulted by Perry shortly after he hired her to work as a babysitter for his children. Oh, God.

Babysitter for his children, Jimmy. Oh, my God. Has accused him of this. She contends that he hired her to work as a babysitter and that he grabbed her and threatened to, quote, kill her if she didn't have sex with him. Oh, boy. Oh, Jesus Christ. His attorney here said that he told his client about the lawsuit, and he said that Gerald was, quote,

incredulous about the woman's charges. Good lord. What was he supposed to do, put his head in his hands and go, oh, no, I shouldn't have fucked the babysitter. Of course he's going to deny it. So the lawyer said that he's not sure if he's representing him on this case or what's going on. Perry was at an exhibition game while this was all going down, and obviously he's had some issues in the past. So I guess this was only a few days after she was hired to babysit the children.

Wow. Like, she just started. He didn't even, like, you know, wait a little while. He's like, yeah, look at that. No, right into it. Right into it. The lawsuit seeks unspecified damages, obviously. Perry, I guess, asked, this is according to her, Perry asked her to accompany him to a market near his home in Anaheim Hills.

During the ride, she said Perry started drinking beer and then kissed and fondled her against her will and forced her to fondle him. Oh, boy. She then says Perry drove around aimlessly while this is going on. Oh, so scary. For a, quote, period of hours. Oh, God. Terrifying. That scary for a quote period of hours. Oh God. Terrifying. That is terrifying to the babysitter here.

She said that she escaped from Perry when he eventually drove home. She said she was not raped. But she did say that she called police and she's like she's not a teenager either. This is a 40 year old woman. Unbelievable. He just it doesn't matter to him. That's the thing. It's whatever's around him. Not that that's not a teenager. This is a 40 year old woman. Unbelievable. He just it doesn't matter to him. That's the thing. It's whatever's around him.

Not that that's unattractive. I'm just saying it's not like he only likes young girls. He doesn't have a tight matter. Yeah. Ginus is tight. Exactly. She didn't call police but just never returned to babysit for Perry and was frightened after that. She said that as a result she suffered fright shock and extreme mental anguish and has

been highly nervous state ever since the incident and there you go so that's her he's a fucking disaster yeah this guy sucks yeah let's just say that he really sucks if he if he was less in the public eye he might just be a rapist underground you know what i mean yeah well i mean if it's not true it's the most he's the unluckiest man in the history of the world that every woman around him says that he grabs them and threatens to kill them if he doesn't have sex that's his move apparently from what everybody says this is crazy so he's trying to stay home and out of trouble that's the thing he's trying to stay home and make some home improvements and he does a little work around the house there's

like a couple loose nails on the deck and slow toilet upstairs that's been bothering him. He doesn't know how to fix that, though. But somebody does. And that man is Paul Calhoun, shit pipe enthusiast. And he says... Hey, guy. How is it you come to arrive here?

I mean, Jesus Christ almighty. I went out back. I looked at the shit pipes and I found the problem. There was like reams of paper in there. And I'm like, what the fuck is it? All rape charges. Just rape charges. We got like sexual assault charges. I'm finding all the fuck is it all rape charges just rape charges we got like sexual assault charges I'm finding all this shit they all got your name on them so I brought

they're covered in shit and you know just feces and urine and general sewage I figured I put them on the kitchen table for you I mean if your wife puts up with this I guess she'll put up with anything apparently so by the way you know my you know my slogan I clean these shit pipes to slap your wife she's been true enough you're the one who deserves a slap but uh you're a lot bigger than me so i'm gonna get out of here you're all fucked up buddy let's just say that you're all fucked up and i'm taking a hike and then poof in a cloud of shit and pipes he's gone and gerald is very confused he was taking his dick out to try to have sex with paul and it just didn't work out. He's just going to show him anyway. He's like, what happened? I suppose I have to pay for this.

Yeah, god damn it. So, yeah, it's not going well. Now he's had a bunch of injuries on the Rams as well. Oh, no. It's just not going well for him. One of the coaches said, quote, potentially he's a pro ball player, but there's a lot of distance between doing it and potential. That's a great line.

For whatever reason, he hasn't done it. If you're hurt, that's unfortunate. But whether you're hurt or sick or a bad player or all of those mean you're not on the field, and if you're not on the field, then you're not going to the Pro Bowl. Okay. 92 Rams, Chuck Knox, 6-10. They still suck. This year, though, for the first time in his career, he starts all 16 games.

Is that right? Plays in and starts them. And the Rams suck. So later on, now he doesn't know that 94 if he's going to play for, or 93 if he's going to play for the Rams or the Raiders. They both offer him deals. Gerald is acting as his own agent, the way which is not bright as we know that doesn't work you got to get a decent agent that's it's worth the fee because they know what

they're doing they know what they're doing and you don't that's like saying i'm just gonna get somebody to play left tackle for me no you know how to play left tackle right that guy knows how to agent left tackle agent that's how that works gerald perry left tackle or an agent that's our agent's name his name's oran so oran agent that's why i had to pick a name i'm like i'm gonna pick one that is an agent that we know of because there you go so the they say the deal is not done with the raiders though he's gonna sleep on it for a night he's been offered three million dollars over three years. Not bad. Not bad. They said

he made $420,000 last season. Who is this? Turk Younger. Oh, the player relations guy for the Rams. He said, I talked to his wife this morning and she revealed that he's signing with the Raiders. I felt kind of hurt. I've been behind him all the time. I thought the kid had more character

than that. Really? I was going to say say what gave you that idea he didn't try to rape any of his current teammates wives what are you talking about what are you talking about jesus christ i know character's been an issue with him but i thought he had a little left that's jesus that guy buried him that guy buried him um yeah his his wife though said that uh kanya said that we signed a three-year deal with the raiders and she said gerald went off to go fishing this week to celebrate fishing yeah what does that mean for him oh boy jesus there was no and she also said there was no handshake agreement with the Rams. It was late on Sunday night after midnight when the Raiders first called. The Rams know we were not happy with the numbers.

They were not supporting us like we would have liked. They did not protect us in free agency, did not respond as if Gerald was valuable to them. I told them we wanted to talk with other teams to see what was available. So, oh boy, there is that. to see what was available so oh boy there is that speaking with that what's available very quickly no more than two minutes the sales jimmy that's what's available in 1992 only because it's a bunch of shit you'll remember please slide your chair over and i have to show you these real quick this is at copeland sports here oh there you go turn my monitor all right in la in la uh converse cons 100 high tops yeah nike trainers here nike air flight low wow you got multiple black ones yeah multiple different uh

versions of it la gear skyfire i think that's the ones i had con Converse triple doubles. You can get all of these for $39.99 a pair or two for $75. Holy shit, that's a deal, Mom. Why did I have fucking L.A. gear? Right? That is great. Also, you can't get any more 1990 fucking three than this. Jansport backpacks are on sale for $20 each. Boy, oh, man. $20? $20. $20. Backpacks are on sale for 20 each boy oh man 20 bucks 20 bucks

backpacks are like 70 bucks yeah fucking reebok athletic bag just a duffel bag with a big reebok british flag on the side there 1999 college team logo sweatshirts 1299 my god and then kids air $12.99. What the fuck? My God. And then Kids Jordans at this point. I believe these are fives or sixes at this moment. Maybe sevens. $49.99. Unbelievable. For Kids Jordans here. Not too shabby.

Anyway. We need to go back in time. It was just a better place to be. Just want to go to a mall in 1993 and buy all the shoes and jerseys and shit. Just buy all that shit. So 1993, August 27th, 1993, he signs a deal to get money and then signs another deal to give money. He signs a $245,000 settlement with Carmen Santiago. Fuck! Carmen Santiago.

Fuck! Carmen Santiago right then. Quarter million dollars. He settled with her. That's right. He's going to Raiders. He's very excited because Art Schell is the coach, and he's an offensive lineman, too. So he's jacked about that.

Schell said, quote, I'm not concerned about gerald perry now really he's good he's fine he does say with gerald perry it's simple the more time i give him to recover the better he'll be he's got a small injury i want him down the road believe me i'm glad i'm then gerald says quote believe me i'm glad i'm here this is the place i've always wanted to be watch your mouth yeah that's a bad place to be at this time well you have 12 arrests there's not a lot of places you can go and uh this is one place you can go here um so he's trying uh greg towns in a raider defense event said i've matched up with him a few times when he was with denver and you can tell he was a solid football player but you have to wonder what the story was with him and why he switched so many teams yeah you do know the story um Perry said

quote I've made some mistakes as far as my judgment in the past really wow this is like the understatement show it's one of the trying to top each other he said but I'm moving on with my life I really feel that I'm striving and heading in the right direction now, and that's all I can do. I can't forget about it, but I don't want to think about it every day of the year either. Jesus, who wants to do that? He said, I'd like to think that I'm coming into my own now. I've learned a lot in my years in the league,

and it's time for me to have a Pro Bowl-type season for a winning team. He shouldn't be on the Raiders in the 90s if he wants to be on a winning team. He said, being with Art Schell, quote, it's an amazing type of feeling. I can't really explain the level of admiration and respect I have for him. After all, he's a Hall of Famer who played the same left tackle position I play now.

He knows what it's all about. Yeah, he does. Art Schell, that regime there in Oakland was not good. It didn't go well at that point. Their talent was a disaster, though. That's when they were drafting Todd Marinovich in the first round. Like, you're the coach. That's not your fault.

You're giving me Todd Marinovich and saying he's our starter? Thanks. So he said, one of the Raiders' centers said, he's just a natural left tackle. That's not an easy position to play. He's a bright guy who has picked up everything very quickly. And Perry said, quote, they asked him again. He said, quote, I've put things behind me as best as they can be.

But so many people have their own thoughts about you, whether you're doing well or not. It's like you have a tag on your back no matter what you do. The key for me is that I'm happy now with a very supportive wife who's always been there for me with two kids my life is better now i'm focused now on my family instead of being non-focused i want i know what's important to me now i'm good yeah now he said everything except the words i'm good now meanwhile all three of those things were there when he was doing all this bad shit all these bad shit. All these bad shit. Everything. It started with that, as a matter of fact.

1993 Raiders, they do go 10-6 that year. Not bad. This is the Jeff Hostetler Raiders. They were solid for a couple years with Hostetler there. So anyway, Tim Brown, all those guys, they go to the playoffs.

They win in the wildcard round 42-24 against who? The Broncos. Sorry, Jimmy. They were lucky to make the playoffs at that point. They were drafting Brian Greasy during that. Or not Brian Greasy, Tommy Maddox. Tommy Maddox. I think Bubby Brister was the backup.

That's later. That was after. That's mid-'90s. Yeah, yeah. 92, they drafted Tommy Maddox, who went on to play for the Steelers after he was out of the league and then was in the fucking XFL. There you go. So he's an XFL champion.

So then the next round against Buffalo. This is the last year Buffalo went to the Super Bowl here. They lose to Buffalo, as a matter of fact, 29-23. And there you go. So this year he starts 15 games plays in 15 games the whole deal 1994 may 9th he agrees to his settlement with his babysitter there gomez the terms of the settlement not disclosed here for this one but he fucking settled with her so so he did something he did some some kind of shit. I mean, I don't know.

He declined to be interviewed, allegedly, in my opinion. He didn't want to be interviewed. Bronco's spokesman said, we don't choose to make any comments. Doesn't even play here anymore. I don't care. What the fuck are you asking me for? He said, you know, what's done is done. Now, the Raiders executive here, Al Locasali, he said, those those problems are behind him he's put it behind him and

we've put it behind him i saw gerald and his wife together during a road trip last summer and they seem to be a very happy couple done and done and his hair turned bright silver when he said that may 20th 1994 11 days after settling this thing and hanging everybody say it's all behind him he's arrested in decalb county georgia for uh let's see driving under the influence and operating left of the center line shit-faced got pulled over he's drunk there you go which he shouldn't be drunk as we know that's not allowed in georgia because he lives in atlanta in the off season he'll end up being in georgia till this day i believe so this is a fucking mess i mean jesus i feel bad for his wife dude yeah his wife is and then at the same time why are you staying

with the guy who's a terrible is he that convincing maybe that's what it is i don't know what it is i i'm not gonna i have no fucking clue what the deal is. Thinks she can change him. Whatever it is. Kamala stayed with Tony. Who knows? Well, she knew what she was getting into from the beginning. I don't think when they got married, he said, listen, our marriage is going to be full of a lot of rape trials. I'm just going to tell you that right now.

Tony said, I might get picked up by the cops once in a while. I'm doing some stuff. It's different. So either way, you know there's a lot of people here all these women are these leaving a fucking trail i feel bad for all these people jimmy but not nearly as bad as i feel for gerald perry marketing intern at ford motors oh michigan yeah gerald perry sales and project manager of Progressive Roofing in Scottsdale, Arizona. Gerald Perry, retired chief of police of

Memphis, Tennessee. That's a big job. Chief of police of a major city. Or sex fest. Or either one. Gerald Perry, captain of a Learjet at Critical Care MedFlight. Oh, shit. In Winder, Georgia. There's another Georgia guy.

Gerald Perry, coach at gerald perry tennis company springfield missouri a couple more just quickly because these are really funny gerald perry head football coach at mineral wells i think college uh gerald perry uh who is a high school was our college he looks like he's in college. College senior in Memphis, Tennessee at the Millican Big Blue is the team there. And then Gerald Perry. This is the one that when you're looking for things about Gerald Perry, it's really hard to avoid. Because Gerald Perry was an Atlanta Braves baseball player from 1983 to 1995. Which is just when he started coming into the paper until just when he stopped coming in the paper.

So it's a fucking nightmare there wasn't a gerald perry that played in the nba i don't not that i know of i mean there might have been one oh was there one you know maybe there was one saying yeah i think i if i hear you something like that yeah i see that orange jersey in the 90s. Yeah, that's a good point. So anyway, this Gerald Perry came up constantly. So 94, 9 and 7, the Raiders go. They don't make the playoffs. He's good now. He said, I've made some mistakes as far as my judgments in the past. Moving forward, and I'm striving, and I'm heading in the right direction. So there's that.

Except I still drink, obviously. That's a, you know, just sometimes. I put things behind me the best I can. I have a supportive wife. He says all this over and over and over again. Plays in 12 games in 94. Reason is, he misses a couple here because November 12th, 1994,

which is his birthday. Yeah, it is. Again, stop going out on your birthday have a barbecue with your goddamn wife at home with some family members drink a bunch there and pass out in your own bed 2 15 a.m by the way labrea avenue in the wilshire district of los angeles is where this happens in la he the raiders play in la at this point still, don't they? They didn't go back to Oakland yet. They didn't go back to Oakland yet.

This is still L.A. This is L.A., man. It's definitely L.A. because this is Los Angeles Raiders on a fucking Dr. Dre hat during this time. Yeah, you're right. Perry is accused of firing two shots from the right right rear passenger side of a black mercedes benz at 2 15 a.m he was with two unidentified teammates also who nobody ever identified i'd love to know who the fuck they were and uh they were not charged so he pleads innocent to felony charges of firing two gunshots from a car yeah can. Can't do that, stupid. Jesus fucking...

Bro, that's not... That's... Come on. Jesus Christ. He pleads not guilty to this deal here. And he said they asked him about the report and the press asked him at Raider practice and he said,

that's not accurate. That's why I entered a plea of not guilty. Boom. So he's 8-8. The Raiders are eight and eight and 95 september 5th of that year though he uh has to go under undergo surgery on his fractured right arm and he's misses a bunch of time he only plays in three games that year oh shit um then that's it stops playing football done he's played in 97 games started 84 of them recovered two fumbles made like that's that made

like yeah about 150 bucks after legal fees 1996 he moves to atlanta yeah okay 97 he wants to come back he's bored okay he said that you know he retired because my body wasn't feeling too well so i took the time off but he said i was like any old football player you get to about february and you feel great hopefully that feeling will continue and i'll be around the entire year okay it's the rams who give him a chance here for 200 275 grand they said what the hell take a flyer on the guy here um they said he looked to be in very good shape he's a gifted athlete it's too bad he's had some problems and not been able to take advantage of that coach dick for meal said

uh but he's in he's in the frame uh the right frame of mind to get his life in order he lives in atlanta he said he got tired of hanging around the house and searching for golf partners okay he said you can only tee it up so many times. You're off. Yeah. You're off and all your buddies are at work, so there's nobody to play with. Yeah. He's bored. There's the point of leaving money on the table also. And I don't have any, probably.

It should be the next sentence. Maybe you've got a few more years than you think. So you come back and see. So he's going to do that. Then, after a bit, he's gotta quit he said this is much harder than i remembered yeah he says knees fucked up he said i really don't think i have a choice i'm the kind of player that if i'm going to do it i want to be able to do it right i mean this game is tough enough when you're fully healthy i pretty much played five years

on bum legs and everything um here which is a seven inch plate which was embedded above his right wrist after suffering his broken arm also a bunch of knee injuries sore left knee um he said quote arthritis has set in there i have less than 25 of the inner cartilage i have no bubbles behind either knee those are gone uh he's just fucked, man. He said that the Rams spoke with him, tried to coax him into returning, but he said he was not going to do it. He said, I entertained the thought. The mind is willing, but I don't think the body is able. I really felt like it was a pretty good career while it lasted,

but there's no need to fool about it. No need to be a fool about it. It's a physical thing. So, yeah. He said, just like I explained to the Rams, maybe there's just been a bit too many surgeries so he said at one point um dick for meal said quote this morning he was upset and walked out of a meeting that's what he told the press later but this is a real story walked out

of a meeting and i said to hell with it it's over i feel very bad about it we tried very hard to provide him an opportunity to write his career and finish the last three or four years with the Rams, but it just didn't work. I feel bad that it failed in one way, but I failed in trying to help the guy. They said he just got up in a position meeting and he was criticized for a block because when they're doing film, they're brutal on everybody for every little bit of technique. He just got up and walked out of the room. Another tackle, Wayne Gandy, said, quote, I thought he was going to the restroom or something. And he never came back.

He said, he's just gone. They're still waiting on him. The center said, quote, he's just gone. One minute he's here, one minute he's not. None of us knows why. Dick Vermeule didn't know either so they dick vermeil dispatched kevin warren the team's vice president of player programs to find out what was going on and uh i guess he found out and dick was pissed off about it they said dick vermeil stormed into the locker room and uh found the equipment manager and told him to get

his shit out of the fucking yeah get his shit out of the fucking, get his shit out of here. He's not on the team anymore. That's it. So Dick Vermeule said, quote, I snapped. There were too many different reasons. None of them warranted. When you need an excuse to say, to stay and play, you shouldn't be playing.

He's not a National League football player anymore. I just can't predict all of his different moves. This has been his, all of his different moods this has been his history yes yeah um they said that he was bitching vermeil can see what it's like to be a prostitute around him yeah he's like i don't like this at all then he threw 20 at me i was like that's fucked up um he said i believe that we will uh whatever so his agent said you know if he wants to play can always play, but he's not going to play. His agent said he's in fine spirits. It's really unfortunate that things didn't work out with the Rams. I'm not prepared right now to comment any further.

So, by the way, Perry, when he was on the Rams back in the day, he was the judge on the offensive line, meaning he did the kangaroo courts. Every position group has kangaroo courts if you you're late to practice if you do this they all sit down they impose fines he's the jury he's the judge of the offensive lineman while he was there they said quote he was a leader for us he had a little bit of rest because he missed so much training camp but he set the tempo tempo for us he'd say stuff like come on guys run back to the huddle run up to the line cover the ball get your dicks out grab that girl pin her down things like that yeah do what i say he likes it when you do what he says it's weird especially in the shower

after the game that gets a little strange then uh one of the tackles said quote gerald's his own man he's always lived by his own rules you You could fucking say that again. No doubt. I guess he felt maybe he didn't want to play anymore. So August 1st, 1997. Doesn't matter if he wants to or not because he is suspended for testing positive for illegal steroids. So it doesn't fucking matter anyway. Yep. Dick Vermeule said, I think the hearing is on the papers that he received they always give you you an opportunity

to present your case so positive steroids test results in a four-game suspension and doesn't matter anyway from there he's done with football yeah uh in 2000 august of 2000 he is charged with stalking and disorderly conduct what the fuck man i have no more details because it wasn't a big deal because he wasn't a player anymore yeah so and he didn't ever played in atlanta either and this happened in decalb county again so they it's not not a big deal i found this looking up his records so um 2002 though does not defer the northwest mississippi state community college hall of fame for inducting him. What?

He's the only player that's ever played there that went to the NFL, so went to play professional sports probably. God damn it. October 15, 2008, he is arrested for driving under the influence, and it says drugs here, driving under the influence of drugs, DWUAC, while ability compromised, driving under the influence. So there you go. He's found guilty of that, by the way, in 2009, and also passing a stopped authorized vehicle.

So I don't think he cleared a car. On the East Coast, if cop cars are on the side of the road, if you can, you've got to try to get over to the other lane so you don't buzz them. So I don't think he did that. Either way, 2009, he's outside late at night for some reason. He's at a car wash. And this is fucking crazy. He was shot.

Not to death, but he's shot. Oh, my God. Yeah. He said he believes he was an innocent victim. He says that he's in moderate condition with non-life-threatening injuries here. He was shot outside the car wash. Apparently, allegedly, the guy tried to rob him. Rolled up on him, said, give me your money.

He said, fuck you. I'm enormous. I'm not giving you shit. I'm enormous, and I'm broke. And I'm'm broke and i'm not giving you a goddamn thing so uh apparently when uh they he refused the demand for money um that's when this was a woman came up and asked for all the money he said no so then she came back with some dude with a gun oh my god and um yeah i guess words were exchanged he said fuck you i'm not giving you shit bitch and all this type of shit because he's enormous and um they said later on a witness

who saw the thing said the only thing that really saved him was that he put his hand up and the bullet is still in his hand he put his he has such meaty fucking paws that he put his hand up where normally people have a defensive wound but it it still kills him. And it got fucking lodged in his hand. He stopped a bullet with his hand, with his hand. It's like a bear paw, bro. He got stopped a bullet with his hand. They shot him in the fucking face and he put his hand up and blocked it and it got stuck in his hand. I cannot believe he stopped a bullet with his hand.

his hand i cannot believe he stopped a bullet with his hand and when you shoot somebody in the face yeah and they block it with their hand you fucking run as fast as you can that man's bulletproof he is gonna grab the gun and he's gonna fucking rape you with it probably this is crazy holy shit with his hand that's a big man sure is wow that is fucking wild um by the way perry is known to locals as being exceptionally generous really apparently well he has an nfl pension so he's not broke he didn't play for three years he has a pension enough to and the pension's enough to live on so i mean he's fine so they said he's a hard-giving person a friend told people hard giving not hard living hard giving uh he sits down and gives yeah i heard a little bit about that he sits down and gives anybody money because he has an open heart since he can't play ball

anymore he said quote that's what god asked him to do oh boy they're continuing to search for subjects for the suspects who got away. And that's that. And Gerald Perry here, yeah, injured. He ends up being okay, I guess, from that. And he just describes himself as an innocent party. And he hasn't been heard from since, luckily. The world has not heard from him. Can't get enough of Gerald Perry?

I've had plenty of Gerald Perry. He is dangerous is it like the he got older and he like his he lost some dick steam and that like stopped him from going out and i feel like he went out to party because he had to try to go get laid that's what he was that was his fuel for that in your 60s the impotence uh kind of sets in not even impotence you're just like i don't know i'll have sex some other time like you're just not that's there's something i wanted to watch this thing on tv tonight and then if tomorrow is okay i'm not saying you're not horny when you're in your 50s but it's not your driving end all be all force is you know sexual fucking urges when you're

in your 50s it shouldn't be anyway um that'd be weird i just you know it's that's a young man's game that still exists but i'm sure for the vast majority it it certainly dissipates the i need to go out get drunk smoke crack search the streets for a prostitute and her pimp and go that's that's a young man's game all that horny i am i'll punch a pimp for pussy i will knock a pimp out of my car i wish we could make punch a i'll punch a pimp for pussy i will knock a pimp out of my car i wish we could make punch a pimp punch a pimp for pussy the title of the show but i don't think you can um but you can't call him the pimp puncher which is a good one for it so either way that everybody is gerald perry and what um is he a disaster or what j Jesus Christ, that's a mess. He never had it together. Never.

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because i know he did other dumb shit and then i want to see how that ended up. I really do. And we're going to find out where John Rocker ended up. There's not a lot of crime there, but a lot of crazy. Oh, boy, it is chock full of it. Then for Small Town Murder, we're going to do one that is the most requested case we've ever had ever. It's a case that we keep repeatedly getting sent, and people are obviously interested in it. Other podcasts have covered it, so we're not going to do a whole episode, but we need to talk about it in our way. Obviously, as from Chris Benoit,

we talk about it a little different than other people cover it. So Skidmore, Missouri, it's a town in Missouri where there's this guy who everyone in town hates, and I mean everyone. He's known as the town bully, and he is murdered by any number of people at the same time in front of dozens of witnesses.

And no one gets in trouble for it. Because no one will say who did it because I think they all chipped in on it. We'll talk all about it. It's Murder on the Orient Express, hillbilly style. We'll get into it. Check that out. Patreon.com slash Crime and Sports. And you'll get your shout out, which we're going to do in a second.

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Get some Patreon up your butt. And that said, Jimmy, speaking with that, hit me with the name of the most wonderful, wonderful people in the world who would never pin our fiancés up against the wall and try to sexually assault them. Hit me with them now. This week's executive producers are Jordan Bennett, Clay Thorson, Megan Green, and Katrina Raseby i believe clay is clay just drop jordan they're so great random amounts random large yeah he's just so

nice he sends me pictures of all of his uh home upgrades because the guy does unbelievable he's a master he's made us things it's amazing the shit he does yeah and then jordan we obviously is the best megan and katrina simon you're just as great yeah thank you you're great too yeah yeah we just have met those people more other producers are baron miguel cicluna from the isle of malta that is a wrestler that's an old wrestler who came around in uh yeah the 80s or 70s bruno sammartino oh he's in that time got it yeah all right jimumbo Nuts Wisman that's me I don't know if you know that

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Collum, Dallas with no last name, Alicia Bowling, James Scheel, Karen Palent, Austin Byers, Maxine Nihouse, Laura Velasquez, Lauren McDermott, Carrie Wilson, Estrella Lopez, Maja McFowell, Joe with no last name, Justin Rice, that's Rice, Paul Inslee, Kelly Keller, Rebecca Harrelson, Brittany Lee, Zach Smith, Skip with no last name, Levi Shannon, Morgan Blackburn, Rachel Ruiz, Natalie Rodriguez, Tom Cross, Cheryl Smith, Nicole Heindel, Megan with no last name, Aaron with no last name, Alicia Canizzo,, probably. DJ Dixon, Kira Anderson, Dave Herbner, Herbner. Chandler with a shitload of R's. McKinley Mitchell, Lizzie Cohen, Derek Wagner, Riley, nope, that's Ryan.

Ryan Parlitch, Sparty B, B. Vare, Lacey Perkins, Aaron Manley, Miranda Bellis, DB Cooper, probably not, Sean Brandt. We don't know where he went, Jimmy. It's possible. Kayla Goodwin, Alex Coleman, John Johnson, Zachary Butler, Anna Baraclough, Bethany

Murray, Andrew Kimball, Jennifer Zensis, Nathan Bird, Christy Phillips, Jill Pfister, you betcha uh gordon d cameron duncan mohoff lowery suzy bautista doug with no last name jt adams wendy wisham jesse mccauley kathy kathy godfrey shell or shelly morgan rick chadwell francisco oriza Aquino, Mackenzie Moaning Olivia Hatfield Luanda Dunphy, Irene Cameron Dominic, man what the shit Manish Chalchi, oh boy Nate B Kylie Murdoch, Heathcliff

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Haley Moore, Amber Germain, I think, Rhonda Seerstad, Christine Kornopoulos, Marilu Lopez, Shannon Jones, oh, Dallin, Dallin Palmer, Kim Akizusada, oh boy, Elizabeth Arrowood, Caitlin Heiderscheit, Heiderscheit? Heiderscheit? Jesus. Nicole Volblio. Lucas Carbarino. Matt Marial.

Dana Worley. West Volpe. Sean. Nope, that's Josh. Yeah, that's Josh Bathroom. Alessandro. Damaro. Meg Savivi.

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