Crime in Sports - #313 - Weaponized Cookies & Rollover Crashes - The Egocentricness of Jason Kidd

Episode Date: July 26, 2022

This week, we look at hall of fame player, who was the best at what he did, from the second he stepped on to a basketball court. The world bent over backwards to show him love, and let him of...f the hook, at every turn. He had a very public marriage, even hosting a TV show, with his wife. But under the surface, there was allegations of a decade of abuse, with implements of violence ranging all the way from a baseball bat, to a large cookie. In addition, he is a TERRIBLE driver, especially when he's had "a few" drinks! It's the story of a guy, who people just don't seem to like, no matter how much he accomplishes, or how many apologies he makes!Leave your friends at the scene of an accident that you caused, blame your son for your wife's fat lip, and have everyone generally roll their eyes at you with Jason Kidd!! Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!  Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com  Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports crimeinsports@gmail.com facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:05:47 How's that? There we go. Let's talk about our guy of the week. Oh, my goodness. He's a Hall of Famer. Is that right? He's currently a very successful guy as well. But just still, I don't think anyone, he's not run into anyone who likes him.
Starting point is 00:06:02 Including, it seems like, it doesn't seem like his child likes him. Everyone. It's just so weird. Anyone who spends any time with him is like, they just don't care for the guy. Who is he? Jason Kidd, everybody. And if you're anywhere in the sports universe in the last 25 years, you've heard of Jason Kidd. You've seen Jason Kidd.
Starting point is 00:06:23 He's currently a coach that was in the Western western conference finals you know this season yeah he was so he coaches dallas currently so i mean he's been around he's been very much prominently displayed out there let's talk about him jason frederick kidd his middle name is frederick i couldn't believe i was like frederick really okay just frederick it just he doesn't look like a frederick to me jason frederick I couldn't believe it. I was like, Frederick? Really? Okay. Frederick? He doesn't look like a Frederick to me. Jason Frederick Gidd. Popping triple doubles named Frederick. It just doesn't work.
Starting point is 00:06:55 Is that what the puss is about? I've literally never seen that man smile. Not once. No, no. He's a very unhappy. He's an unhappy guy. He's a grumpy guy. maybe that's why nobody likes him for he he is a he is a pussy hound is the best way to put it now certain episodes most of the time we look up all the stuff we have no real inside knowledge of anybody or
Starting point is 00:07:19 anything like that we've never met these people or had any interactions with them for the most part every i mean out of 300 there's been a few but jason kidd played in phoenix for three years four years and that's when both of us lived in phoenix and phoenix is a big city it's like the fifth largest city in america i think fifth or sixth they always trade with houston and san diego they all flip-flop four five six all the time it bounces sometimes down to nine nine. It depends on what's happening at the time. There's a lot of people. In the Valley, there's over four million people. There's a lot of people there. So it's a big place, but it's a small town, though.
Starting point is 00:07:56 It's all there is around there. There's Phoenix, and then there is literally death for hundreds of miles. Just desert that you'll die in. so it's like a big prison camp that it's like well you could try to escape but i mean shit you'll die before you get to the mountains you know that's what it's like you know it's all swamp for hundreds of miles around here boy ain't going nowhere like you're on a chain gang phoenix the chain gang of cities they call it the valley of the sun because death valley was already taking yeah they're like oh shit well valley of the sun does that imply well i mean
Starting point is 00:08:32 the sun will kill you right i mean no one wants to be in the in the same thing i'd rather be in the valley of the shade wouldn't you absolutely fine valley of the sun so when it's a it's a very small town when it comes to stuff like this yeah and what it is is that the there's it's a it's a very small town when it comes to stuff like this. What it is is that it's giant, but the only places where people, well, he was here specifically, the places where people go to to congregate and for the rich people to live, very small. It's like two neighborhoods and four restaurants. It's literally like 20 square miles that's yeah it's paradise valley and areas of scottsdale and that's all so that's the weird part and the
Starting point is 00:09:12 sports teams there like growing up in new york like don mattingly or dave winfield or patrick ewing these people were like it was like you know if you were a movie star when you live if they were movie stars and you lived on a farm in the 20s. That's what it felt like. They were just these giant figures that you could never actually see. And if you saw them, it would be from a distance. Whereas in Phoenix, you go to the Fries on Camel 24th and Coulter there, and you will run into a player on the Phoenix Suns nine times out of ten.
Starting point is 00:09:41 You just will because that's the grocery store that people in Paradise Valley go to. So you're going to run into some guy from the cardinals three guys from it's just you just run into these people all the time yeah and like i used to work for the diamondbacks when they when the colangelos own the diamondbacks and the sons at the same time so that's right that was in 2001 which was right when all this stuff happened with Jason Kidd, as we know. So internally, we knew everything that went on. I mean, it was all gossip throughout both buildings. The buildings are a block, two blocks away from each other. And, you know, it's all internal phone lines.
Starting point is 00:10:15 So it's, whew, forget about it. If you're involved in that area of town at all, you're going to see them. Their life crosses your life at some point. It's so strange. And then you've had an interaction with Jasonason kidd we'll talk about this so it's it's we have certain knowledge of this that might not everybody that you might not be able to google you know what i mean of jason kidd and how people feel about him and shit like that so we'll talk about it uh march 23rd 1973 okay that's when he's born yeah march 23rd, 1973. Wow. Okay, that's when he's born.
Starting point is 00:10:47 Yeah, March 23rd, 1973. Oh, by the way, I have a couple other connections to this through this. Okay. A close person who might even be related to me actually worked on, I won't say what role they played to give them away, but they actually on jason kidd's wife's radio show in phoenix like that right every day with her closely so oh boy yeah so there's there's a lot that i know of that some of it i can't even say because it's just not it's i don't want to blow this up this person's spot and i don't want to i don't want this person to be like sued or something so who knows but anything that's public, that's whatever.
Starting point is 00:11:27 Verify if I can type of deal. So anyway, that's when he's born. He's born in San Francisco. That's where he's from. Is that right? Yeah, he's a Bay guy, Bay Area guy. He comes from, he grew up in Oakland, but a very upper middle class section of Oakland. Sure.
Starting point is 00:11:43 So his parents had money. They're not wealthy, wealthy, but he very upper middle class section of Oakland. Sure. So his parents had money. They're not wealthy, wealthy, but he's not a kid. He wasn't scrounging for food. No, he's not. We tell these stories about these kids who their mother worked till three o'clock in the morning, so they just played basketball till 1 a.m. before they would go out with their gang from one to three before their mother. That was when they'd go robbing and setting fires,
Starting point is 00:12:06 and then they'd go back home. It wasn't that sort of thing for Jason Kidd at all. He was definitely a house guy. He lived the life of a Frederick, James. He's a Frederick. We'll call him a Frederick. His dad's black. His mother's Irish.
Starting point is 00:12:20 Is that right? Yes, which I never knew. He's one of those guys where you go, I don't know, there's some stuff in there. Who knows what never knew. I always just, you know, he's one of those guys where you go, I don't know, there's some stuff in there. Who knows what he is? Some mixed up, you know, whatever, mixed up things. Who cares? But yeah, his dad's black.
Starting point is 00:12:33 His mom is Irish. So there you go. That's that. He's one of those guys like The Rock for a long time. People who didn't know about wrestling, because you know his family. If you know about wrestling, you know that he's got a Samoan side he's got the his dad's black but like Jason Kidd's one of these guys like like the rock where people were like what the hell is he anyway you know there's he's
Starting point is 00:12:53 something yeah I don't know what but some it's not is is that a black guy I can't tell is it I don't know I don't know what is he a white guy wow I don't know what he is I don't know what he is. I don't know what he's doing. He's sort of, is he Irish? Frederick's his middle name. Might be Irish. So as a kid, he played for, he's always a great basketball player. It's not like, he's not a late bloomer. He's not anything like that. He was great from the time he picked up a basketball.
Starting point is 00:13:19 He's just, he's really, really good. He was scouted and played on several AAU teams right from the time he was old enough to play on any of them. He won, he's in every All-Star game in all the AAU leagues. He's got MVP awards. I mean, he was the best player always. He's that guy. So very different from some of the guys we talk about. When he was coming up, when he was going into the NBA, there was a lot of talk about him before yeah he went before he went to college before he went yes all this
Starting point is 00:13:50 chatter about how good he's going to be and how promising he is he was the guy that like people were not to a lebron james level but like yeah back then guys went to college all the guys went to college you know pre mid 90s so like back then you know all the guys went to college. All the guys went to college, you know, pre-mid-90s. So, like, back then, you know, all the guys were in college and shit. And there was very few guys you would hear about before college. Right. And Jason Kidd was one of those guys. And the fact that he went to Cal, which is not a basketball powerhouse by any stretch of the imagination.
Starting point is 00:14:20 That's a, you know, Berkeley's not exactly a you know they're an academic school period that's what they do their football team's good sometimes but yeah meadow soprano was was a yeah was ethnic to that school yeah yeah they were like exactly yeah it's true yeah i wouldn't want to go there very uncomfortable a lot of hunters and coopers there i don't want to feel like we probably had different upbringings. I don't really want to be there. So Jason, though, he was happy to go there. He fit in, I guess.
Starting point is 00:14:53 He attended East Oakland Youth Development Center and frequented. He's always he's playing all over the place. He plays in all these leagues. He also plays on playgrounds. He plays in, you know, this thing. he plays in all these leagues he also plays on playgrounds he plays in you know this thing he plays in whatever league there is he's just always playing basketball he played against gary payton a whole bunch yeah as a kid yeah they were gary payton was a little older than him but i was gonna say he's like two years older than him probably yeah probably i
Starting point is 00:15:19 think a little more than that probably maybe three or four but he was like you know oh man that's that guy he's really good when he was young gary payton was a guy he looked up to from the area which is interesting because he plays a lot like gary payton tight defense yeah you know not a selfish guy at all right payton's an underrated guy by the way one of the best he's so underrated and if you're telling me that today's basketball is just as good or better than uh, I could have named the starting lineup of the Nuggets then because every team was fun to watch. You can't name the starting five of the Jazz today. You can't name the starting five of fucking anybody. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:15:58 I can tell you from about 88 to 98, I can tell you pretty much the starting lineup for any team any year like that. Who fucking knows how five players on the Cavs? Yeah. Oh, yeah. They probably are the Cavs, though. I mean, nobody. No one's interested in that. Even when LeBron was there, people could name three.
Starting point is 00:16:16 Yeah. They'd still be. Well, I know Kevin Love. Right. Because that name's super easy. Kyrie. I know him. OK.
Starting point is 00:16:22 I don't know. There's some white guys and a European guy and another dude. There's a guy with a neck tattoo, but kind of ugly. I think there's one of him. So, anyway, he came up looking at Gary Payton, and that's how I think he emulated his game a little bit. And he is so good.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Yeah, one of the better defenders of all time. On his work ethic, he says this. Here's a quote from him quote when i was a kid my father used to take me bowling i wasn't very good but i always made excuses why i wasn't good my father said quit that the reason you're not a good bowler is because you don't practice and he was right now if i have a defect i work at it and i don't make excuses interesting way of putting that's the yeah that's the key to being a
Starting point is 00:17:05 good good at sports though oh my god maybe gary payton's why he doesn't smile maybe because that's i don't know gary payton's smile looks like either yeah that's true there's a lot of but basketball back then though if you came into the league in the mid 90s as a rookie you can't be smiling around people will fuck you up you'll get your ass kicked you better mean mug everybody and it was it was tough back then it was a different the guys were different now they come in all smiley wearing fluorescent fucking pink shirts coming into the and no one cares that's fine but back then it wasn't like that i'm not saying that's bad i'm just saying unique tiktok dance yeah back then if you had a fucking dance and a bunch of fucking
Starting point is 00:17:44 and a teal Tommy Bahama shirt on when you came in with everybody, all of your friends on the team would make fun of you, period. They'd be like, look at this motherfucker. That'd be it. They're going to shit in your duffel. Oh, you're getting duffel shit at big time. He went to Notre Dame High School, or St. Joseph Notre Dame High School in Alameda.
Starting point is 00:18:05 Oh, yeah. And he led them to consecutive state championships. Yeah. Obviously. 25 points, 10 assists, 7 rebounds, and 7 steals per game in his senior season. Is Jason Kidd Catholic? No, no. That's like, have you ever seen Hoop Dreams?
Starting point is 00:18:22 Yeah. Yeah. Catholic schools just recruit the best players. And then they have to take like a Bible course. But they don't have to be Catholic. They recruit. I think both those kids are Baptists in there. Yeah, they don't give a shit. What do you think?
Starting point is 00:18:36 Does Raheem Ishmael have to be fucking Catholic, or did he just go to Notre Dame because he could play? That's a great point. Yeah. Because he's the rocket. Yeah. Just saying. he could play it's a great point you know because he's the rocket yeah you know just saying so anyway he averages almost a quadruple double in his senior years which is holy shit 25 10 7 and 7 is crazy was he playing point then oh yeah always a always a point guard he's a terrible
Starting point is 00:18:58 shooter till what five years into the league maybe it took him a while because he didn't care about shooting because they just praised his passing his passing in high school john wooden saw him play and said i i it was a thrill to watch you play because i that's the way the game's supposed to be played passing like that that's you understand the game and it's great to see a young person understand the game like that's how people thought of him he wouldn't said that. Yeah. And that's what he he has taken everything since the time he was a young kid. And they told him, hey, you're fucking magical at this. Ever since then, he went, well, I don't have to learn anything else because he's a fucking moron. He's a more.
Starting point is 00:19:39 There's not anyone who's ever interacted with him and said anything. But how is that guy dumb? Like, yeah, I'm serious. In college, he went to college. I believe one of my ex-wife's cousins went to college at Cal the same time he was at Cal and just said he – it was everybody on campus was like he's the dumbest person who's ever attended the school by far. Not even being like like pompous. They were just like, wow, is he like dumb to talk to? Not dumb like he he doesn't know what philosopher we're talking about.
Starting point is 00:20:14 He's just like, duh, he's just stupid. He's just a dumb athlete who doesn't give a shit about anything else. He doesn't know anything about Copernicus. He doesn't know anything. He can't say Copernicus. No. And he doesn't know anything about copernicus he doesn't know anything he can't say copernicus no and he doesn't have to he's so he's a he's so good he doesn't have to that's just the way it is he knows i'm gonna be a professional basketball player i don't need anything else unless his you know his leg explodes or something he's going he's gonna be the guy so he also received uh all sorts of stuff the naysmith award as the nation's top high school basketball player wow the best in the nation and named player of the
Starting point is 00:20:53 year by parade and usa today as well so he's the best player in the country. That's pretty wild. He's the all-time prep school leader in assists with 1,155 and the state's seventh highest scorer. California's seventh highest scorer of all time. Think about how many ballplayers have come out of the state of California. Holy shit. It's a huge state in the first place, just numbers alone. Yeah. He was California Player of the Year twice and also a McDonald's All-American as well. Had to play on that.
Starting point is 00:21:28 He, what else? Oh, he played in the 91-92 McDonald's All-American and later on in 2012, he'll be honored as one of the 35 greatest McDonald's All-Americans of all time. 35. 35, which all of them are the best like 25 play every year they take like the best 50 players in the country and bring them to this camp and you're one of the top 35 that's ever been out of every yeah out of every i mean fucking i'm everybody you can think of has been a mcdonald's all-american like it's thousands of people all of the greatest players ever. That's where they were. Top 35. It's crazy. So that's a lot. That's how.
Starting point is 00:22:07 Your head has to be. What would your head be like at this point? You're a senior in high school. You can't tell me nothing. His room. If you're a kid, your room isn't even big enough for all your awards at this point. You need like a separate. Dad, can you get me an apartment for my awards?
Starting point is 00:22:23 Because I just need somewhere to store them all. I literally don't have enough room for all these MVP trophies and championships and everything. And a longer hallway for the orderly queue of women. I was just going to say, someone made a bronze statue of a woman servicing me on her knees here. I don't know where to put that. It's life-size. It's huge. It doesn't fit in my room.
Starting point is 00:22:44 I didn't know any of that, and it makes all the sense now why he's dumb and an asshole yeah he he never had he's he might not be dumb maybe he's got a good iq or whatever but he's never had to apply it to anything but basketball and in basketball he's a genius that's the thing he's not a dumb player at all he's a he's not a guy who's like well you know i don't know what to do i'll just jump over everybody like that's not what he does he's a he's a guy who's like oh i see this angle and he's here and i'm gonna fight it's like he's a geometry whiz on the court like he's fucking and it's true because he's smart look one way around the back pass around the defender into directly into somebody's hand streaking to the basket with a
Starting point is 00:23:25 dunk it's insane he's not a he's a good athlete he's not the greatest athlete of all time he doesn't have a 45 inch vertical jump or anything like that he just sees the court better than anybody else which is impressive he's taking all his brain power and put it there yes as a as a denser thicker fella too because he's not he's not tall. He's like 6'1"? No, he's 6'4". Is he that big? Yep, just on the court he looks small. That's it. He's like Steve Nash.
Starting point is 00:23:50 You see Steve Nash, he looks tiny. In person he looks small, too. He doesn't look 6'4". He's probably 6'3", and they call him 6'4", I'm sure. It's because he's dense, and he's a thicker fella. He is. He's a muscular guy, too. Yeah, and belly.
Starting point is 00:24:06 In a straight sprint, though, he doesn't look as athletic as what he's probably doing is. He looks clumsy. And that might add to the allure, too, because he doesn't look so athletic. And then when it happens, you're like, how did that fucking dumpy little bastard do that? And then when it happens, you're like, how did that fucking dumpy little bastard do that? YouTube, like early highlights, early career Charles Barkley highlights. Watch him from 85 to about 94. If you have never seen it, like you look at Charles Barkley now and you're like, Jesus, what was he like on the court?
Starting point is 00:24:44 Glued to the the floor shooting fadeaways he flew through the he was faster than anybody on the court he just spring like he was on a fucking trampoline over people and dunk hard you were like holy shit this is i mean it's explosive athleticism like yeah it's wild to see he's just this fat guy yeah and he just he's not holy shit back then he wasn't in much better no yes today no it's not much different when he got drafted into the league he showed up at like 290 pounds at training camp he was his fattest ever back then but he didn't matter he had a 45 inch vertical leap he'd just jump his fat ass over you and dunk on your ass it was wild the speed he had yeah that's another guy 80 1987 charles barkley could would absolutely dominate
Starting point is 00:25:33 today tomorrow in fucking 1955 and 2055 it doesn't matter that that's amazing so anyway he uh he can go to any college he wants. He's the best player in the country. Everybody's recruited him. We're talking UCLA, U of A because they were champions a bunch then, Kentucky, Kansas, Ohio State, you name it. He chooses. No one expects him to choose Cal Berkeley. No one expects that.
Starting point is 00:26:05 It's just not even on anybody's radar. They're like, huh? Why did he do that? They were terrible the year before. I think they had 10 wins the year before. They were awful. And yeah, they think he'll make the difference, though, because he's so great.
Starting point is 00:26:22 One guy, though, one of of the i think it's the athletic director said don't expect too much too soon here don't put too much pressure on the kid because they're expecting him to come in as a freshman and make the team go from terrible to a national contender oh you better slow down at a point guard which is a lot um this guy says i think jason has unusual talents talents are unusual maturity and an unusual maturity level of his game. The real danger for him is getting trapped into trying to live up to other people's expectations of him. I've seen a lot of players' lives made miserable trying to do that. If he just tries to be Jason Kidd and doesn't forget the game is constructed to have fun, he'll be fine.
Starting point is 00:27:03 So, yeah, they said he's, you know. Just go out there and have fun he'll be fine so yeah they said he's just go out there and have fun with it that's the advice and then he says luke campanelli already has told me that as good a basketball player as jason is he's a better person oh boy jason will make you pour milk on those words and lap them up. Wow. That is not an aged well statement. He then goes on to say, quote, he doesn't have a balloon or pumpkin head. I've heard of a balloon head. I've never heard of a pumpkin head, meaning someone with like a big ego. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:40 Pumpkin head is a totally different thing. That's okay. He says, you can see he has a good upbringing. I'm very impressed with his presence and his manners. Jesus, this is hilarious. He says thank you even when you haven't done anything for him yet. Well, that's a confused kid. Give him a hand.
Starting point is 00:27:59 Yeah, he just doesn't know. Oh, when do I say that? Oh, I wait. Okay. I'm sorry. You just described a moron. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. I don't think he'll have as much trouble as the normal freshman would have,
Starting point is 00:28:11 handling all the attention he's going to get. He's been exposed to that so much already. He's traveled and played in all-star games and on television and against pros in the summer league. So the intimidation and insecurity thing won't be as big a factor as it would be with most kids yeah um they said also we'll try to diffuse the pressure distribute it to all the players on the team so it doesn't just fall on jason there will be times when he'll be available for interviews but not at the whim of every reporter who wants to do a story
Starting point is 00:28:40 the media will have access to him only uh certain times during the week maybe just once a week we've got to keep things in perspective jason came to cal for an education academics are first and basketball is second okay you lying fuck do we have a scummy for most untrue statement uttered we do have a biggest liar award now even though this is only one lie i think it qualifies you to say jason kidd went to cal for academics first and basketball second i believe might be the biggest lie that's ever been uttered who is this campanelli yeah campanelli here who's lou campanelli is that his fucking i want to call him lou i want to call lou Lou. I want to call. Lou Campanelli is definitely notching a scummy for biggest liar. Because I've never.
Starting point is 00:29:30 That's a whopper. Holy shit. School will be. Wow. I'm blown away by that. He said. Yeah. He said so much.
Starting point is 00:29:42 So. Okay. Here we go. He took. It took him four tries to get a high enough SAT score to get into Cal in the first place. Four tries. You have to have a minimum to get
Starting point is 00:29:52 into any of the 1A schools. Just a minimum SAT. They didn't need him to get a perfect score here. Just enough to pass admissions. How many times are you allowed to take the SAT? As many as you want, I think. think really if you can do it for the limit would have to be less than four right you can take the bar as many times as you want and then you're a lawyer yeah but you gotta
Starting point is 00:30:14 pay for that but you don't have to put on your you have to pay for sats too you can't they yeah absolutely yeah all those sats cost money you have to pay for that shit yeah they pay the proctors and all that that's not just we think teachers pay for that shit. Yeah, they pay the proctors and all that. That's not just, what do you think, teachers volunteer for that shit? I don't know. I wouldn't. You want to get into college? That's on your time and my money, motherfucker. Hand it over.
Starting point is 00:30:32 I'll teach you, but that's about all. Bad enough I got to watch you. Then, yeah, I guess if you've got to pay, then you can take it as many times as you want. And it took Jason Kidd four times. You can take the bar ten times and then be a lawyer and not have to put on your business card pass the bar on the 10th time you don't even have to do that you should it just says attorney at law just like someone who passed it the first time and no shit it's the same thing isn't that wild? Same thing with the SATs, I think.
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Starting point is 00:33:02 No, for me, three times is not a charm. All right. Yeah, JD. No, for me, three times is not a charm. All right. Anyway, he explained it by saying, quote, I'm just not good at taking tests. Oh, okay. Jason. Or homework or really essays or any kind of report you want me to do or put together or like a dissertation. Not really good at oral statements. i'm really good at basketball have i told you that because that's what i'm good at here can we do the sat
Starting point is 00:33:32 on like free throws and yeah if we can get like court angles and like drop some plays and i'll tell you where the three should be at the end of the play there and where i should pass it does sat stand for uh shooting assists and traps and i can do all of those he says uh luckily i took six units in the summer so i got ahead and knew what to expect i'm enjoying everything about college berkeley has a lot to offer every day seems to bring something new you can put the word pussy after that yes berkeley has a lot of pussy offer. Every day seems to bring something new. You can put the word pussy after that. Berkeley has a lot of pussy to offer. Every day seems to bring some kind of new pussy. Jason Kidd in Phoenix was known as about as big a womanizer as the town has ever seen in an athlete.
Starting point is 00:34:20 And that's saying something. That's saying something. And if Jason Kidd doesn't know that oh he knows you are oblivious sir his wife his wife told everybody so we all know and everybody in town just knew it he was everybody saw him oh it was not a secret uh trust me oh yeah i do people that worked at bars i was a bouncer at the time too like we all knew what was going on like oh yeah he's with if you see him with two girls that aren't his wife, those aren't his nieces probably.
Starting point is 00:34:48 Oh, these are my little sisters. They're looking at ASU. No. It's not like he had an apartment somewhere and he had just like a stream of girls going to it. He would meet them out. He would take them to dinner. Just flaunting it on the town.
Starting point is 00:35:01 Oh, my God, you're Jason Kidd and that is not your wife because I know what she looks like yeah because she's on tv with you where you guys we'll talk all about that don't you worry so um just whatever he says just put pussy somewhere in the in the sentence and all of his sentences make a totally different sense it's amazing we'll do it the whole episode it's great so uh he's thinking about oh my god he's thinking about majoring in business administration oh boy okay jason come on um and he's taking 13 units this semester a college writing class a social health class that's just
Starting point is 00:35:39 how not to get stds that's all that is that's uh that's just wear a rubber every time you just put condom on condoms on fruit for like three months for nine weeks let me show you what syphilis looks like that's about it you leave with cold sores there you go you put a trojan on a banana and you got yourself an hour credit. Careful out there, kids. Oh, my God. He said, quote, it hasn't been that difficult because the tutoring has really helped. It's probably I'll probably take more units next semester.
Starting point is 00:36:18 Yeah, they got them all lined up with two just like the average student. He's got this is a couple of different tutors he's got here. the average student he's got uh this is a couple of different tutors he's got here so the 92 93 cal golden bears here i think they were 10 and 18 the year before that was their record this year 21 and 9 not bad that's real good they turn it around solid improvement they end up going to the ncaa tournament which they haven't been in a long time they They're a number six seed, as a matter of fact, in the tournament. They win in the first round versus Louisiana State, the number 11 seed, 66-64. Then, second round, they play number three seed Duke, who, as we know, had, Jesus, they were winning the national championships before and after this.
Starting point is 00:37:01 They beat Duke. They upset Duke. What? This is the thing that makes Jason Kidd on the national scene. He goes to the tournament and beats a major powerhouse favorite. They're like, where the fuck did Cal come from? Oh, it's all that kid. So this blew him up.
Starting point is 00:37:17 By himself, the point guard beat the team. Yeah, everybody else, they didn't even play. They just clear out. They clear out. He does his thing. They beat them at 82 77 too pretty decent then in the next one number two kansas who was a powerhouse at that point usually is they beat them uh kansas thumps them 93 to 76 and kind of ends their ends their
Starting point is 00:37:38 cinderella run but once they beat duke it didn't matter that was a that was the accomplishment they knocked off a giant so not bad they did he did exactly what they said we won't make him do turn the entire program around single-handedly so did it not too shabby he plays in all 29 games he uh he's killing it here 31.8 minutes a game as a freshman 13 points 7.7 assists uh fucking uh five rebounds and where is his steal total they don't have steals per game but they have uh 110 steals in 29 games so about three steals a game three inch almost four steals a game that's insane that's great for a freshman as a matter of fact he wins national freshman of the year of the the Year honors in the entire country. Also a spot on the All-Pac-10 team.
Starting point is 00:38:30 His 110 steals sets an NCAA record for most steals by a freshman and a school record for most steals in a season. And his 220 assists were also a school record. Regardless, freshman or not. Regardless, freshman or not. Yeah, freshman or not, just school records. He is the key factor in everything, obviously. They lost to Kansas in the Sweet 16, but nobody picked Cal to go to the Sweet 16 in the beginning of the year. So that's a win. 93-94, he's a sophomore.
Starting point is 00:38:59 They go 22-8 this year. So pretty damn good. This year, though, they lose in the first round of the tournament. They're a No. 5 seed, and it's that damn 5-12 upset that happens. They lose to Green Bay, No. 12 seed. Oh, what? They've got a college? I did not know that. Yeah, Brett Favre played for them, I believe, during this time.
Starting point is 00:39:18 Or did the Packers just come out there? They lost to Green Bay. I believe Donald Driver was their power forward. I'm not sure. They lose to Green Bay. I believe Donald Driver was their power forward. I'm not sure. They lose to Green Bay 61-57 there. But it doesn't matter. He breaks his previous school record for assists. He leads the nation in assists this year at 9.1 per game.
Starting point is 00:39:37 Son of a bitch. Leads the nation, selected as a first-team All-American this year. The first Cal player to be named since 1968 as a first-team All-American this year, the first Cal player to be named since 1968 as a first-team All-American. He is also Pac-10 Player of the Year, becoming the first sophomore to ever receive that honor. Sure. See all these firsts?
Starting point is 00:39:56 It's just, he's like, just, you know, how big would my fucking head be? I would be... He's the natural talent, then them uh confirming yeah i mean you've got words confirming that you're amazing on the court he's he takes care of business i mean he confirms it he lives up to every bit of hype he done and he's a team player you don't get as a he's a team player he really is the definition of a team player. He's that old school point guard that's distributing pass first, shoot second. He doesn't come down on a fast break and pull up from 25 feet.
Starting point is 00:40:32 He's not that guy. Generally, back then anyway. Later on, he adapted to the NBA game and started shooting more threes. When he retired, I think he had the third most three-pointers in history when he retired. Is that right? He's been surpassed by far by now. He's like 38 now. I'm sure.
Starting point is 00:40:51 He's way down there. But anyway, this year, 16.7 points per game, 6.9 rebounds, 9.1 assists. That's pretty wild. And he also has 94 steals in 30 games. He declares for the nba now right more than three points uh more than three steals a game he is an ncaa ap first team all-american and uh he says i'm the fuck out of here yeah even though my education comes first i really couldn't you guys i got it get me higher i got my education uh that's it you guys do it in
Starting point is 00:41:26 four years i do it in two because i'm that much better i'm something well he's got he just had his junior and senior year in basketball you know what i mean like that's what most guys have then he just did it in his freshman sophomore got it over with so he in after the tournament, he declares for the draft. Then early May 1994, it's 2.40 a.m. Oh, Jason, what have you done? It's never a good sign. He is driving his father's Toyota Land Cruiser. This is hilarious. He doesn't even have his own car at this point.
Starting point is 00:42:00 Oh, he does, but they gave it to his father. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to say, it comes from a local dealership where the guy who runs it's an alumni, but still, we're not going to talk about that part. And a big fan of Jason Kidd's dad. Oh, huge, huge fan. Jason Kidd's dad. They made him general manager. He doesn't even work there.
Starting point is 00:42:16 It's so crazy. He gets a check. A land cruiser. And a take-home land cruiser, but he doesn't even know where the fucking office is. He doesn't even show up. Jason, how do you have this car? He just dropped it off in his driveway, and he's like, wow. No, it's my dad's.
Starting point is 00:42:32 He just happens to have impeccable taste in vehicles. I told him what rims to get. Yeah, that's all it is. I told him what rims. He needs bass tubes in the back, too. I told him that's big. When you're playing Pink Floyd, you want to have bass tubes, I told him. My dad shops for vehicles in Jay-Z music videos.
Starting point is 00:42:51 Yeah, he knows what's up. My dad knows what's up. He turned me on to the Ghetto Boys. He's thinking like 91-ish. This is hilarious. Yeah, anyway, so that's what happened. It's 2.40 a. Yeah. Anyway, so that's what happened. It's it's 240 a.m. on Interstate 80.
Starting point is 00:43:13 No one ends up being injured in this accident, but it's a very strange thing that's happened. He ends up taking off and leaving the scene of the of the accident. This is what he does. I don't want dad to know. You can't do that. He fled the scene shortly after the The California Highway Patrol spokesman said, my understanding is that a passing car with two females in it stopped and gave him a ride. He flipped his fucking car, as we'll talk about. He flipped his Land Cruiser.
Starting point is 00:43:37 There's another car involved, by the way, in this fucking mess. And then he just got on the highway and flagged down a couple of chicks in a passing car and they were like oh shit it's jason kidd and they fucking picked him up and then he went he probably fucked both those girls that night too what what kind of life are you living sir he got he got he got sympathy pussy for wrecking a vehicle this is crazy. They went on to say, quote, the other two motorists not involved in the crash stopped. They recognized Jason Kidd.
Starting point is 00:44:15 He has been positively identified as a driver of the car. Everybody knows who he is. That's the other thing. Yeah. He has a very distinct head and face. He really does. And that look on his face, just like, huh? What's that now? head and face he really does he's just and that look on his face just like huh i don't know where we're at and uh look on his face with no smile no smile at all so he uh they said that kid lost control of the vehicle at first he's got an agent and before the police can even release the report the next morning the agents already already work in the press saying that he was struck from behind.
Starting point is 00:44:49 Another car rear-ended him and he lost control of his vehicle, flipped it, and then was dazed and just got into another car and drove away. People were like, you're Jason Kidd. And he was like, yeah. And they were like, get in the car. And he was like, oh, okay. Because he was just a little stunat at the moment. But then, you know, he realizes what's going on. That's what his agent tried to say.
Starting point is 00:45:10 His agent said it all came back to him in the morning. And he was like, I should call the cops. Yeah. Oh, man, I was a bad guy last night. Oh, man. Hoof. My everything's coming back to me. Would you two get your head off my chest?
Starting point is 00:45:22 I got to go. He didn't take off because he was coming from a bar at 240 in the morning, which he was coming from a bar at 240 in the morning. That's not why he took off. He took off clearly just because he didn't know what was going on. He was confused. It's overwhelming. He's called drunk. The CHP, California Highway Patrol Sergeant here, said, quote, nobody struck him because of his speed.
Starting point is 00:45:52 He was not able to negotiate the curve from I-80 to the eastbound 580 right at Cypress. He clipped the left front of a second vehicle. Then he hit the guardrail and overturned. Uh-huh. So, yeah, he hit another car and then flipped it and then fucking took off. They said that his vehicle was being driven in a quote reckless manner yeah so they recommended that he be charged with reckless driving for this and other things as well a passenger in the car uh in his car milton jackson he was arrested at the scene he left his friend there jimmy how could? His friend was arrested for public drunkenness, which is pretty funny because he wasn't driving.
Starting point is 00:46:29 That's the funny part. He was in a car on the way home, which is in the passenger seat, which is what you tell drunk people to do. Right. The car flipped. He didn't flip it, but the car flipped. So now he can't be in the car. He has to be in public on the side of the road, and they arrested him for that. How crazy is that?
Starting point is 00:46:49 What a terrible night. But the problem is maybe he wouldn't have been arrested for that, except that he's also arrested for vandalism because he tried to kick out a window in the patrol car. Maybe that's why. That's why. Yeah, so he got resisting arrest public drunkenness and vandalism can't do that that's a bad night another passenger was also there but not arrested he left both his passengers there you have to be shitting behind no he had friends in the car rolled it and ran and he took off and left them standing on the side of the road to explain that shit to the cops.
Starting point is 00:47:26 What if? Think about your level of arrogance to do that. I'm important. You guys handle this. I'm too important to deal with that. I hope he at least checked to make sure they were okay first. How? He didn't have time.
Starting point is 00:47:41 How quickly do you think cops are going to show up for a fucking overturned car? I that's oh my god what if somebody died in that what a fucking jerk he wasn't sticking around to find out he got the fuck out of there as soon as two passing chicks in a car passed by and jason kidd he was like later later fellas hope you're okay good luck getting a ride home wow i mean so um yeah they'd been at club ot an emeryville sports bar owned by former 49er ronnie lott they're ronnie lott sports bar yep and uh the accident occurred less than an hour after the bar closed so yeah they closed at two he left it to he crashed at 240 so yeah i'm sure he was was 100% sure he was drinking club soda all night long, obviously. Drinks cranberry juice. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:48:30 This spokesman for the police here said the investigation is still open, so there's no warrant, and he's agreed to come in. I can't comment on possible charges because the matter is still being investigated. I would charge him with being a dick to his friends more than anything. Certainly. being investigated i would charge him with being a dick to his friends more than anything certainly if he didn't hit another car i'd be like well who cares um unless he's drunk obviously that's a different case but if he didn't hit another car whatever but he hit another car first of all so if you hit another car you got to stick around and if you crash your car with two of your friends in it you got to stick around you can't just take off and leave them there that's fucked up so um anyway uh they they said they were investigating whether he'd been drinking before that they're
Starting point is 00:49:10 trying to find out but it doesn't matter if even if people say they saw him drinking they don't have any in court that's not gonna fly you have to have a specific number what was his number you can't just say i don't know people said he was drinking earlier. His agent, Bill Duffy of the sports management group, said, quoted in various media outlets as saying, kid's vehicle was hit from behind by a woman's Volkswagen Rabbit. So a Volkswagen Rabbit, I don't know if you've seen that, they call it a rabbit because it's small. They don't call it a rabbit because it's insanely fast. Yeah, it's not a 78 Lincoln Continental.'t call it a rabbit because it's insanely fast yeah it's not a 78 lincoln continental it's a it's called a rabbit it's very tiny and it doesn't go very fast and uh most of
Starting point is 00:49:51 them are white if you hit a toyota highlander in the back with it you're gonna scrape pretty much the top of the hood with the bumper they're tiny little cars so you're probably gonna hit the trailer hitch and destroy that car yeah you're You're definitely not going to flip a Toyota Highlander probably with a rabbit most likely. And that's what a Land Cruiser is. It's actually bigger than that. It's like one of the Sequoias. It's big. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:12 It's a big car. It's a big fuck. So his agent also said that kid, quote, kind of panicked a little and left the scene. Why would he panic? What are you panicking about, buddy? I would be like, wow, I just want to make sure everybody's all right and give an account of this. And what are you panicking about buddy i would be like wow i just want to make sure everybody's all right and give the yeah give a an account of this and but what are you panicking for chief you're sometimes james when you see one rabbit there's probably 20 more so you better run it's a good point i've been in plenty of car accidents and i never panicked and decided to run
Starting point is 00:50:40 away because i wasn't drunk in any of them too that's the other thing so i mean that helps especially if it's not your fault yeah car careens into you which is what are you running for i just stood there i called the lady i called her a lot of names because she hit me it was really egregiously a bad it was the shittiest driving move i've ever seen so i was like you are an old twat anyway so another agent of his who's his other agent, Aaron Goodwin, said that neither Kidd nor the other guy was drunk. The guy who was the guy who wasn't arrested, Davis. They said that Kidd was not available for comment and they tried calling his parents house. Don't get a hold of him because he's got to make formal statements here.
Starting point is 00:51:22 So the California Highway Patrol recommended that kid be charged with reckless driving. But the Alameda County Assistant District Attorney, who I'm sure is under pressure from alumni to not do this. Hey, cut the kid a break. Yeah. Says the law degree from fucking Cal State Berkeley. Yeah, exactly. She said that there was insufficient evidence that he was acting without regard for public safety. So he is charged with misdemeanor hit and run.
Starting point is 00:51:48 That's what he gets. Yeah, they filed that against him. Fascinating. And also charged with speeding. So there you go. Speeding and misdemeanor hit and run. So 1994 NBA draft comes up here. That's all he gets out of that.
Starting point is 00:52:04 That's it. Nothing much. Just some. Go Bears, baby. He left his friends there. That's so funny. I keep saying it, but it's just so messed up. I couldn't imagine doing that.
Starting point is 00:52:17 You guys cool? All right. I'm going to go bang these chicks. You deal with the cops at three o'clock in the morning. Fuck you, bro. I'm going to get a ride because I got a career to worry about. See you around. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:52:28 That's terrible. So, anyway, 1994 NBA draft. Jimmy, number one pick overall. Hit me with him. Jason Kidd. No. What? Wait, 94?
Starting point is 00:52:38 94. When he's drafted. Is it the Trailblazers that year? Nope. What was his name? No? If I tell you the team, it'll give it away easy. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 00:52:49 I don't know then. God damn it. Glenn Robinson. Oh, I would not. The Bucs? The Bucs. There you go. Milwaukee Bucs.
Starting point is 00:52:56 Glenn Robinson, who did play for 11 years and wasn't a bad player. Almost 21 points a game in his career. So pretty damn good player. But number two overall is who? From the, is it the Magic? It's Jason Kidd, number two. The Mavericks. Mavericks.
Starting point is 00:53:14 Dallas Mavericks take Jason Kidd at number two. Number three overall, who is it, Jimmy? Is it Jamal Mashburn? No, Grant Hill. Oh, not bad. Yeah, not too shabby, right? Yeah. Fuck yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:27 He got like 35 years out of that career. That's what I mean. They were, kid played 19, he played 18. So, I mean, that was two and three. Those were some sturdy picks you got there. So, I mean, Grant Hill was a lot more injured throughout his career, but those were kind of like interchangeable, two and three. It was like, do you need a point guard or a small forward more?
Starting point is 00:53:45 Like, what do you need more? Because they were both equally great. Grant Hill was just as touted as Jason Kidd. I mean, he was holy shit. Duke, absolutely. Number four overall, Jimmy. Care to take a guess? 94.
Starting point is 00:53:59 Is it Allen Iverson? No, that's 96, I think. Four overall, Donyell Marshall to Minnesota. Is that right? He played 15 fucking years in the league, Donyell Marshall. Do you know that? 15 mediocre-ass years in the league. 11.2 points a game.
Starting point is 00:54:16 Wow. Yeah, 11.2 and 6.7 rebounds. That's not bad. Timberwolves? Yep, Minnesota. The Bullets have number five, Washington. Oh. Who'd they take, Jimmyhington who they take jimmy
Starting point is 00:54:25 did they take george mears no they did not take george mears on they took uh juwan howard actually great pick that's awesome juwan howard who also played for 19 years uh-huh so the top five is all the are the fab five all in this draft no no because weber was like weber's already in three weber was 93 i think because he got traded for penny because they got drafted okay back to back Are the Fab Five all in this draft? No, no, no, because Weber was like 93. Weber's already in, right? Weber was 93, I think, because he got traded for Penny because they got drafted back-to-back, and then they traded for each other. So the top five picks all played more than 10 years, and only one of them didn't play at least 15 years. Stunning. Because he played for 19 years also, Jawan Howlett.
Starting point is 00:55:01 Shit. And then after that, number six is Shar sharone right who played for four years and sucked so there you go cleopatra lamon murray philadelphia okay then lamon murray went to the clippers okay lamon murray who was jason kidd's teammate who yeah there's a reason why he wasn't great in the nba is because in college he had jason kidd passed him the fucking ball and here he doesn't and then they sent him to the clippers where they got nobody. Yep. And then Brian Grant, Eric Montross. Remember him with the flat top from North Carolina? The center, Eddie Jones.
Starting point is 00:55:31 He's a good player, Eddie Jones from Temple. Carlos Rogers, Jalen Rose. There's another Fab Five member here. There we go. Oh, wow. Yinka Darre in there. Yinka Dinky. Eric Piotrkowski.
Starting point is 00:55:44 Jesus Christ. Yuck. Yeah, weinka Dare in there. Yinka Dinky. Eric Piotrkowski. Jesus Christ. Yuck. Yeah, we're getting into those. Wes Person for the Suns. He was pretty good, 23. And Charlie Ward, a steal for the Knicks at 23. The Heisman Trophy winner. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:56 This is maybe the worst draft of all time. Well, the one year before was really good. The year before, I believe that was Penny and Weber and guys like that. So that was a pretty good one. And then before, the early 90s had good drafts, but they're getting thin now. This is ugly. 94-95, they go Dallas Mavericks 36-46. We'll buzz through the stats here.
Starting point is 00:56:19 We won't take too much time on this shit. I don't care about mid-90s Dallas Mavericks stats. But they had mashburn nash and kid at one point didn't they yeah that was right before they the end there but here it's 96 yeah here we're talking roy tarpley still on dallas yikes who we've done an episode about him that's a crazy episode a lot of a lot of coke there jamal mashburn who was drafted the year before george mcleod's on that team. Popeye Jones.
Starting point is 00:56:46 Jim Jackson, who was also drafted two years before that. You know, guys like that on the team. So he plays 79 games, starts all 79 he plays in. 11.7 points, 1.9 steals, 7.7 assists, 5.4 rebounds. A fine rookie season. As a matter of of fact co-rookie of the year with grant hill is that okay they shared it so yeah not bad not bad and not much competition no no no no who who's gonna beat you eric piotkowski i don't think so so he makes two million seven hundred seventy thousand uh two million seven hundred seventy
Starting point is 00:57:26 thousand dollars here not bad and that's the start of big money for rookies oh yeah no this is this is a lot of money and it still is it still is well watch his watch his money escalate every single fucking year you're gonna throw every year you're gonna go oh my god it's more it's even more 95 96 dallas terrible again 26 and 56 bad wow bad teams jason kidd's an all-star this year and this is when the rumors start that him and jim jackson are fighting and he doesn't want to play on the same team as jim jackson and this is jason kidd's first being a behind the scenes malcontent. Yeah. He's a totally different guy publicly than behind the scenes.
Starting point is 00:58:09 Okay. Behind the scenes, he's a big fucking eye roll for everybody. And publicly, he's just Mr. Nice Guy, Mr. Upstanding. Distributing the ball. Yeah. He's doing the job. He's like, his persona was like a social media persona before social media existed. That bullshit.
Starting point is 00:58:29 We all can think of five people with those personas. So, yeah, that. Kid's an all-star this year for the first time. 81 games played, 81 games started for Jason, so not bad. 37 and a half minutes a game, too. He's logging some minutes. 16.6 points, 9.7 assists, 6.8 rebounds, 2.2 steals per game. Jesus.
Starting point is 00:58:52 Crushing it from the point guard position. And that's on a terrible team. Imagine if he had anybody on this fucking team who's any good. Anybody matching those kind of numbers in their position, this team wins. Roy Tarpley is basically decrepit from cocaine. He isosed from cocaine use and that's their center this year you know what i'm saying it's crazy he makes uh this year three million five hundred eighty eight thousand dollars not bad it's almost a million dollar raise next year he starts the year with Dallas, but keeps behind the scenes, pushing for a trade, doesn't want to be with Jim Jackson. And Dallas, for some reason, picks Jim Jackson over him.
Starting point is 00:59:30 I don't know why here. So he is traded with Tony Dumas and Lauren Meyer to the Suns for Sam Cassell, Michael Finley and A.C. Green. And a draft pick deal. Yeah. So, I mean, that's kind of just like a bag of – that would be like what's left over in a bag after you've – like two weeks after Halloween. You've eaten all the Butterfingers and all the Snickers. You have like a roll of sweet tarts. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:59:59 Like some weird German thing you don't understand. You got that in there. Like some weird German thing you don't understand, you got that in there. But look, I will give you this nougat with the peanut butter center in this orange or the black wrapper, whichever you want. Something with precarious packaging that looks like it's easily opened and messed with that you don't want to touch. Like that's all that's left in the bag. Sam Cassell. Michael Finley was – Cassell was a good piece in different teams.
Starting point is 01:00:24 Finley was an exciting, great player. He was a really good player. I liked him a lot. Really good player. A.C. Green was just a solid player, but he was kind of getting old here. And he was a magnet for fucking fouls. That poor bastard. Yeah, he was. He really was.
Starting point is 01:00:38 So he's on the Suns now, and this was exciting for the Suns. I remember. We were like, shit, yeah, this is awesome. So he goes to phoenix uh this year he makes four million four hundred eight thousand dollars so holy shit it's like 900 grand a year raises this guy's getting holy shit and uh it's this year where he decides damn it i can't be a solo kid just sailing through the ocean of life. I need to hook my boat to another. And that is a woman named Jumana who he marries and will really pretty much dominate everything.
Starting point is 01:01:16 This marriage will dominate any news about him for the next ever, basically. This marriage, we're going to say grace right now. He's happy right now with her. Everything's great. He's making money. He's went to a better place that he's happier and all that kind of shit. It's not going to go well from there for him personally. Professionally, fine.
Starting point is 01:01:37 Personally, not so much. This is 97 that he got here or 96? 96. It was December 26, 1996 was the trade.cember 26 1996 it was a day after christmas yeah yeah so uh that that season there 97 98 his first full year with the suns i mean they by the way are like the they're the they're on everything jason and jumana are on every show they have their own television show called The Positive Side of Sports that they do. I'm sure it was on Channel 3 or fucking one of those channels.
Starting point is 01:02:12 Yeah. The Positive Side of Sports is the opposite of what these two relationship is. This is the toxic side of sports. These two, their relationship. Of the most toxic relationship I've ever seen in sports. This is, their relationship is like a, I don't even know, it's bubbling. It's like a witch's cauldron. It's a potion.
Starting point is 01:02:35 It's not even a stew or a soup. It's a potion. How did they even, did they have like a- There's like Eye of Newton here and shit and like frog's tongue or something. You know, weird ingredients. Did they meet like Henry and Karen did? Because they treat each other like Henry and Karen did. They really do.
Starting point is 01:02:52 It's a very Henry Hill, Karen Hill relationship. That's where it is. I gotta come home for this? It's like, his friend drug him along to this date and he doesn't even show up. Let her bring them. Let her bring them. Let her bring them. Let her. Karen.
Starting point is 01:03:09 Let her bring them. Go. Let her do it. Let her do it. Karen, what am I supposed to do? I'm in jail, Karen. I really want to know how these two met. Because it would make so much sense if it was a blind date
Starting point is 01:03:26 she's a model slash tv presenter so she's a a hot young chick yeah you know it's pretty gets jobs and you know whatever she's does her deal she's got jobs and does all of her shit and he's around town as a yeah the making tons of, being a big-time basketball player. They're going to run into each other. Star of the team, for sure. They're going to run into each other, these two. They're going to run in certain circles. The wait is over.
Starting point is 01:03:54 So far, you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that. Bing! The queen of the courtroom is back. I didn't do anything. You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. I see he's not intimidated by anything.
Starting point is 01:04:11 I can fix that. New cases. She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone. Okay, so, um... This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes, your honor. You married his cousin
Starting point is 01:04:28 His brother. That's not him. Yes, ma'am. I would make a beeline for the door The Emmy award-winning series returns. How did I know that I have crystal ball in my head? It's an all-new season It's streaming you can say anything Judy justice only on Freebie. They're married. Now, this year, sons go 56 and 26. This is when Danny Ainge was coaching. 56 and 26 is respectable.
Starting point is 01:05:01 It's great. It's really good. Third in the Pacific Division because there was better teams, obviously. But listen to this roster, though. You got Sed Sabalis back then still. Yeah. This is his seventh year. Rex Chapman on the team in his ninth year. KJ in his tenth year.
Starting point is 01:05:18 Oh, boy. So, Kidd was coming in replacing KJ pretty much. Oh, Horatio Lamas. Remember him? What? Oh, Horatio Lamas. Remember him? What? Oh, remember him? Yes. He went to Grand Canyon University, and he's from Mexico.
Starting point is 01:05:30 I just remember I went to a Suns game. He was like the first, I think he was the first Mexican national in the NBA, if I'm not mistaken. And when he would come into a game for 30 seconds, because he played like 38 seconds a game, the upper deck of America West Arena at the time, you just hear, like they'd go crazy. There'd be like 4,000 Mexican people upstairs that would just be like, ah, it's fucking, it was crazy. Enough to where you'd have to snap back and look at it. And go, what is that?
Starting point is 01:06:04 It's people. But it was like, it caught. It really was like one that was contagious when they do that. So after a while, everybody would cheer when he came in. Because they were so excited about it. It's like, well, I mean, I'm not going to be not excited. They seem so excited. I'll join in.
Starting point is 01:06:19 You're going to be an asshole? Yeah. That's cool. Danny Manning on this team. George McLeodod another underrated player mcleod was a good fuck antonio mcdice that's a guy you don't hear shit about yeah that guy could fucking ball his ass off dude he was nasty back some of the hardest dunks ever man you incredible the the oops to him were just he could take him you just throw it up anywhere near the basket
Starting point is 01:06:42 he'll find it he might be the closest to Sean Kemp since Sean Kemp. He was a guy like that but didn't get any of the pub. You never saw. Nothing. He was quiet. It was weird. Steve Nash in his second year on this team. So they have Jason Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Steve Nash in their backcourt right now.
Starting point is 01:06:59 That's far too many point guards. It's three amazing Hall of Fame point guards. That's silly. Like, you have them all on your backcourt. Cliff Robinson on this team before he got arrested a couple times and shipped off. Dennis Scott, who I completely forgot played for the Suns. I didn't even realize it. From the Magic.
Starting point is 01:07:15 And finally, of course, Hot Rod Williams. Yeah. Sorry. This is like memory lane for us going to these. sorry this is like memory lane for us going to these thinking and this was like the last the last hurrah of of the sons uh of that from the early 90s yeah trying their best to get something going to keep it together before it fell off you're all too old already it's over everybody's yeah 10th year 9th year 7th year 9th year there's a lot of older guys on the team um but anyway they go to the playoffs and they lose in the first round 3-1 against the Spurs,
Starting point is 01:07:48 who were just better than them at that point. Ridiculous. Yeah. Kid's an all-star, though. Plays in all 82 games, 38 minutes a game, 11.6 points a game. He's got 6.2 rebounds, 9.1 assists, 2 steals. Does great. Makes $5,233,333.
Starting point is 01:08:07 His agent is awesome. Not fucking bad. Yeah, really. His agent can say to the goddamn media with a straight face, a Volkswagen Rabbit flipped over my client's Land Cruiser, and he was a little disoriented and ran away, and at the same time get him this contract that's a every year a million dollars in five years you will make five million dollars more than this year that's
Starting point is 01:08:31 incredible he will keep watch this man 98 99 phoenix this is the shortened year strike shortened year they go 27 and 23 uh they go to the playoffs and get swept in the first round by Portland yeah that season who cares he plays in all 50 games 16.9 points a game he's got 6.8 rebounds that's the thing for a point guard he's the best rebounding point guard up to that point I can think of also 2.3 steals and he leads the league in assists with 10.8 a game. So doing great. At that height, he's on the taller side of point guards too, which is pretty rad. He's a big guy.
Starting point is 01:09:12 He can use himself. He can post on some of these other point guards. He makes $6,041,000 this year. Jesus Christ, man. This is the year when he and Jumanja are hosting. Jumanja, I just called him. year when he and Jumanja are hosting. Jumanja, I just called her. Jumanja. Jumanja.
Starting point is 01:09:27 Jumanja. Did I just call her? Oh, my God. A board game. You femaled up a board game. I just called her just a derivation of a board game. Jumanja. When she gets real mad, monkeys come out of her ass
Starting point is 01:09:46 and terrorize the whole house. You don't want to open this box either, so I guess it's fine. That's what it is. Jason Kidd opened the box. He's got to play the whole game. He is, man. And this is the funny part. The way Jason Kidd makes this sound,
Starting point is 01:10:04 this relationship is not funny. I way jason kidd makes this sound yeah this relationship is not funny i feel like in my opinion i feel like he beats the shit out of her for a long time yeah that's how i feel like and then at the end he tries to act like he's lived in terror of her for years and you're like i don't think so bro i just don't see it so see a lot of black eyes on you bud yeah you i see you every day and you never have a black eye so i don't think so bro i just don't see it so see a lot of black eyes on you bud yeah you i see you every day and you never have a black eye so i don't think so so uh they have a son this year as well 1998 their son is born yeah trey jason so he doesn't he doesn't make him a junior trey jason so they call him tj okay he actually called him trey trey yeah he's not a third he's not a third his first name is
Starting point is 01:10:47 just trey i guess because he likes to shoot threes trey yeah well he's brand new so how the fuck do we know jason likes to shoot through what do you think jason would name kids after something that reflects on the kid all of this is about him yeah you're right yeah everything's about him the french fry incident even it's who eats their kids french fries you know what i mean like don't do that just give the kid the goddamn french fry anyway uh so tj's born uh 1999 and we'll hear from tj in about 20 years in this story don't worry 99 2000 season sons go. Suns go 53-29. Not bad at all.
Starting point is 01:11:27 50 wins is real good here. So Danny Ainge gets shit-canned, though, in the beginning. He was 13-7 and got fired. That's crazy. That's pretty weird. They just weren't – mediocrity, they were thinking. He just can't take it to the next level. So they hire Scott Skiles as their coach here.
Starting point is 01:11:42 That's right. I think it's his first job. Head coach, anyway. He goes 40-22, so good record for him. They beat the Spurs in the first round of the playoffs. How about that? Who are the defending champions at this point, by the way. Yeah, Scott Skiles looks like a genius now.
Starting point is 01:11:57 Absolutely. 3-1, too. Didn't even go to a Game 5. And then they play the Lakers and get crushed because this is the Shaq-Kobe. Crazy. Kobe coming into his own this is like one of his first because 97 he 96 he was he wasn't he was a kid when he first came into the league it took him a couple years to figure out how to play and not shoot like wild fucking shots that he couldn't hit right and uh then he got nasty and this is and i think this was the season they had Robert Ori, too, and he was dropping threes in one of the games.
Starting point is 01:12:28 Yeah, this was tough. So they didn't even need their stars. They even got people coming off the bench just dropping them on the side. It was tough. Yeah, they had everybody. And then they got Gary Payton, and they added Karl Malone to the list, and it was like, okay, enough All-Stars. Speaking of All-Stars, Jason Kidd's an All-Star this year.
Starting point is 01:12:46 67 games played here. He starts all 67. He had a little injury, I think, here. 14.3 points. What do we got here? 7.2 rebounds. That's a career high. 10.1 assists, which leads the league.
Starting point is 01:12:59 And two steals a game. So, doing great. Wow. $6,858,335. Another big raise. What the fuck? He plays for the 2000 Olympic team as well. Is that right? He's on Dream Team
Starting point is 01:13:13 2000 here. Yes, he is. You want to give me players on that team, Jimmy? Kobe's on it. No. Kobe didn't play in the 2000 Olympics? Nope. Not there. That's stunning. So we got Jason Kidd. We have...
Starting point is 01:13:28 Yeah, he's on there. Just told you that one, yeah. Shaq's on that team. No, he's not. Holy shit. Is it just Jason Kidd versus the world? I think it's Jason Kidd versus everyone in Croatia, they said. It's Vince Carter, Kevin Garnett.
Starting point is 01:13:45 Tracy McGrady? Ray Allen. Not yet, no. Ray Allen, Vin Baker. Forgot all about Vin Baker. Alonzo Mourning. Antonio McDyess made that team, actually. So he was that good.
Starting point is 01:13:57 Alan Houston. Sharif Abdu-Rahim. He was nasty. He had some range on him. Steve Smith. Jason Kidd. Gary Payton, Tim Hardaway. And they won gold anyway. Oh, God.
Starting point is 01:14:09 8-0 in the tournament. Dominated. Their three-point guards are Jason Kidd, Gary Payton, Tim Hardaway. What are you going to do? That's fucking silly, man. Keep up, fuckers. Yeah. I mean, they have Mourning and Garnett, I guess, you can play in the middle there.
Starting point is 01:14:23 Otherwise, they don't have a center. That's a lot of West Coast run and gun with those three. Yeah. Jesus. No one's keeping up with that, though, back then. So anyway, they win gold medal, and he's very happy. During the Sydney Olympics, when this happened, by the way, Jason played about 20 minutes a game. He put six points a game, five rebounds, about four and a half assists.
Starting point is 01:14:43 They ship those guys in and out. They play the whole team basically so during all of this at one point this is amazing the team went to breakfast in its quarters they have like their own special basically these hotels give them like a big banquet room that's all theirs and a dozen roses had been placed on each of the tables there, all of the different tables. Why, you may ask? Jason Kidd had these floral displays put out to celebrate his wife's birthday that day, who had accompanied him there. What? Yeah, he put fucking dozen roses on every table just to say it's Jumanja's birthday.
Starting point is 01:15:24 Now I want to call her Jumanja so bad. It's Jumanja's birthday now i want to call her jumanja so bad it's jumanja's birthday so we all did that everybody's celebrating and all the players were like man fuck this motherfucker because they had their wives with them too oh that's so sweet he put rose on every table and they're like you what are you doing bro like you don't bring that shit to work with you you want to kiss your wife's ass do it at home but like this is i don't make a million dollars extra every year you mother yeah ball players are weird about that like they don't like it when you cross the streams with their personal lives and shit so um there are a lot of teams that have rules that like players keep their fucking wives apart they don't want it because they want to
Starting point is 01:15:58 cheat and they don't want anybody to tell anybody is the other thing uh one of the people i think it's one of the coaches or one of the other players said quote it made some is the other thing uh one of the people i think it's one of the coaches or one of the other players said quote it made some of the other players unhappy it meant that it might cost them some money too yeah yeah they're like god damn it yeah but that's the type of stuff he's doing now him and his wife this is from an article here quote jumana and jason kidd have been the first couple of phoenix sports outgoing and friendly, she appears regularly on local television. Kidd, a member of the U.S. Olympic team that won the gold medal in Sydney, has credited their partnership as a big factor in his rise to NBA superstardom.
Starting point is 01:16:37 He's been the best player since he's fucking learned to tie his sneakers to get out of a court. She has done nothing for his basketball. I'm sorry. It was long before he met her. You could say, she could say, he could say that's made my life complete with a good personal life, but he was been the best player ever, always.
Starting point is 01:16:54 So what are you talking about? She's helped my life come together. That would be great. Yeah, but she's, unless she's out there showing you, oh yeah, when Penny's on you, he really, he's susceptible to a move to the left. And then you can fucking circle on him and drop one into the power forward.
Starting point is 01:17:11 I don't think she's helping his game. If he shuffles his left, he's going right. That's all I'm telling you. I've been watching the film, Jason. That's all I'm saying. He said that he always blows kisses before his free throws. Do you remember him doing that stupid shit? I do not. He would blow kisses before he'd shoot free throws. Do you remember him doing that stupid shit? I do not.
Starting point is 01:17:25 He would blow kisses before he'd shoot free throws. That was for her. She's always in the crowd. Oh, my God, I hate it. Yeah, that's pretty. And people are going to say, oh, that's sweet. No. No.
Starting point is 01:17:37 It's okay. It's sweet before the game. Even if you're in the warm-ups they just introduced you the right before tip off you can go over you can blow a kiss you can say once that game starts that she doesn't exist anymore fucking focus what are you doing you're getting paid seven million dollars a year to be here what are you doing plus half these guys have wives do you see them all blowing kisses to people no why are you special that's what i don't get why are you the one that has to do it it's just annoying uh they also operated the jason kidd foundation which contributed to the phoenix children's hospital and phoenix boys and girls
Starting point is 01:18:14 clubs and all other shit i do remember that yeah oh yeah those commercials were non-stop they were everywhere local television they wouldn't you could not go you couldn't watch tv for an hour without seeing jason kidd's face in phoenix you he would he first of all he's also shilling for everything from nike to mcdonald's to um i was gonna say to like the that uh that appliance store that he used to do remember spencers yeah he did it like applying like you need a new washer dryer well i'm jason kidd come on down to spencers like he'd do shit like that you couldn't get away from him he was omnipresent did he sell flooring at one point too he probably did i think he he shelled for a flooring store at one point glass or something yeah london gold what's the
Starting point is 01:19:00 one with that uh 1-800 express that'sESS? That's Express Flooring. Yeah, Express Flooring. That song, I think he was on that commercial at one point. He replaced that weird blonde chick. And he just mumbled, garbled out, Express Flooring is the best. So 2000-2001, 51-31 for the Suns under Scott Skiles. This year, their roster has changed a lot. So I have to kind of... Corey Blunt's on the team now.
Starting point is 01:19:28 Stop it. Vinny Del Negro, Tony Delk, Chris Dudley, Mario Eli. Completely different team. Tom Gugliotta. Oh, not Guggs. Not Guggs. Yeah, this is when they bought Guggs for an obscene amount of money.
Starting point is 01:19:42 I believe it was four years, $80 million, and he's terrible. Yeah, and it was a bad choice. Bad choice. Penny Hardaway, Sean Marion now is on the team, Elliot Perry, Rodney Rogers, Socolitis. Remember Jake Socolitis, that center who never played? He's a rookie this year. So this is a completely, in two years,
Starting point is 01:20:02 they have completely, completely changed this roster. Got it, yeah. Upside down. So in the middle of the season, January 19th, 2001 here. Actually, it's the 18th this happens. About 5 p.m., okay? It's a normal day. Jason returns from practice.
Starting point is 01:20:20 He's no game today, but he's got to practice that day. So returns from the Suns facility there about five, you know, a little before five. And Jumana said she decided to go to the gym. So she asked Jason if he would watch and feed the two-year-old TJ. Why don't you feed up TJ here? So I guess kid took a French fry from the plate and ate it. guess kid took a french fry from the plate and ate it and his wife here juman jumana fuck that's so hard not to say his wife jumana told him not to eat his food stop eating his food which is yeah you'd say that and then you'd go oh i won't and then you sneak another one and eat it anyway
Starting point is 01:21:01 and you laugh and then she goes you asshole and then you laugh about it and they didn't eat the chicken i ate the fry who cares that's a healthy relationship if you joke and then you know call each other names as they're kidding that's funny so anyway that's a good relationship i hope yours is like that everybody out there if not you're probably bored so um anyway he's he takes the french fry then according to a police report, see, that's the thing. Then we get the remainder of this from sworn testimony. If you start with, she's going to go to the gym. He got home. She's going to go to the gym.
Starting point is 01:21:38 Hey, would you feed this kid the food I just made him already and just watch him for an hour? And then he eats a French fry. Police intervention should not be necessary in any of this right this is pretty normal shit 9-1-1 should not be involved unless please don't eat that oh my god he's eating that and now he's choking that or now he's eating the baby instead he decided to eat his actual fingers, not his chicken fingers. So he said the police report, quote, Jason then turns toward Mrs. Kidd and spits the French fry at Mrs. Kidd.
Starting point is 01:22:15 Wow. And doinks it off her face. Right. You know, doinks spits the French fry at her. Mrs. Kidd turns away from Jason. Jason then strikes Mrs. Kidd in the face while holding a container of yogurt in his hand
Starting point is 01:22:32 didn't even he like plopped her with a fucking with a with a dan and fruit on bottom what's going on here did he hit her with the yogurt or just in his hand he had in his hand he like he hit her in the mouth with a yogurt in his hand with the yogurt so i don't know if that's like a roll of coins i don't know if that adds to extra to the to the shot this has been building yeah well this is according to her this is just not this is just normal this isn't something that's new i guess he didn't put the yogurt down but he hit her in the mouth according to the police report and yeah when the cops show up she's got a big swollen lip and everything else so that's not from a french fry no first of all who spits a french fry at their wife like that's that's a that's an aggressive move that's just the most disrespectful obviously hitting we don't even have to talk about that that's you don't hit each other don't fucking hit each other obviously nobody hit anybody but
Starting point is 01:23:18 spitting a french fry at somebody in their face he didn't even spit it on the floor like fine like fuck you he spit it in her face is there a person you do that to on earth right now i mean i'd spit it right in your fucking face with my french i can't think of a human that draws that out of me at the moment skip bayless maybe i'd like to spit something in his face i'd like to spit like somebody's aids blood in his face is what i'd like to spit here that's what i want get some of this this feels like this has been building for a very this is this is animosity and and nitpicking that's been building you don't just that's not a first move from you know insult one insult one. And that's not even an insult. That's what I mean.
Starting point is 01:24:06 Yeah, she is. He's claiming she's being nitpicky, which sure, that's fine. You can't. Why? Your reaction is to spit in someone's face when they're like, what is wrong with you, dude? Deal with it. How frustrated are you that you can't punch her? And then he does.
Starting point is 01:24:23 And then he and then he does. Apparently here, according to the police report, holding a container of yogurt. I guess Jumana then ran upstairs to her bedroom and locked the door to get away from him, to which he immediately kicked the door open. Yes. Yeah, I'm sure it's every Arizona house in the master bedroom has the double doors. They meet in the middle. If you push, a four-year-old could push those open. If the AC comes on, it opens. God damn it.
Starting point is 01:24:52 So that's not a very good defense, unfortunately, for her. He kicks the door in. This is as she's calling the police, but he kicks the door in, so she hangs up before anybody answers. So it ring twice, hang up, right? Okay. So the Paradise Valley police call them back because that's what happens. They know who called generally.
Starting point is 01:25:12 It shows up pretty quick. Jason answers the phone. Yeah. And they talk to him first, and then they say, you know, where's your fucking wife? Let's talk to her. Let's make sure everything's okay. So he then has to give the phone to her at this point. He knows he's on tape.
Starting point is 01:25:28 He can't be like, fuck you. He knows this is going to be on Channel 12 News tonight for a fact. She's usually on TV, and she's not going to be there tonight. They're going to want to know why. That maniac's going to read this on Channel 3, then run for governor in 20 years. Fuck. All right. I better fix this.
Starting point is 01:25:46 So he hands it to her on the 911 tape. Jason Kidd is shouting, yelling at her in the background, which is that's another thing. How out of control do you have to be to be like she's on the phone with the cops and you're like, yeah, what the fuck, bitch? Yeah, you fucking told the cops. That's crazy. Tell him what you did. Tell that's nuts man that's terrible um she told uh she told him quote she told the cops there's quote there's just a bad history here i told him this would be the last time and he popped me right in the mouth yeah um she said she didn't need medical attention they asked her you need medical attention she said quote don't need medical attention. They asked her, do you need medical attention? She said, quote, don't worry about me. This is minor compared to what I usually go through.
Starting point is 01:26:28 That was the that was the quote. That was the quote that everybody was like, oh, no, no, no. That's not good. And also you can hear her on the phone. She's going, yeah, Jason. Yeah, they'll all believe you, I'm sure. Yeah, I yeah i know you know they won't believe me of course they're gonna believe you and then she says something about yeah and um i'm not the one who hit with a hit someone with a baseball bat either like she brings a baseball bat into it it's a there's a lot going on on the phone call he's our they're arguing while she's on 9-1-1 which is wow uh the police arrived at 5 44 p.m and uh she was crying and said they'd been arguing since he got home and she had a swollen lip and blood all in her teeth and it's you know her lip
Starting point is 01:27:12 had her fucking teeth and made her lip bleed and in phoenix these houses are like really close together but where they lived oh i know it's not i know exactly where the house yeah i used to serve papers in there so secluded and there's trees all the way around. It's amazing. Paradise Valley is a series of these mountains, so the way the houses are built on these mountains, they're built so you can barely see your neighbor's house. They try to build them
Starting point is 01:27:36 so you're not seeing anything but desert, I guess. And his in particular, in the area where he lives, East and West streets are names, and North and South are numbered. Preach, Jimmy, tell them. And the North and South streets there are names because they want them to be hidden. It's like, I can't describe it any better than that.
Starting point is 01:27:57 He lived on a North and South street and it was a named street and there was only like six houses in this cul-de-sac all on one side of the street because the other side of the street is a giant fucking horse farm and they're like five acre lots they're huge so if she screamed from being blasted in the face nobody's gonna hear nobody's gonna hear no the numbered streets are east and west no no east or north and south yeah they're north and south and he's on the name you said the name streets you had it back yes no, no. Or north and south. Yeah, north and south. They're north and south. You said the name streets. You had it backwards. Yes. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:28:27 The name streets are east and west, and the number of streets are north and south. But he lived on a north and south street that's a name street, and they do that in that neighborhood. Oh, in the in-between streets. No, no, no. It's a north and south street, but they named it so that it's really hard to find it, because that's what the rich people do, so that it confuses the fuck out of people, because you don't know what number it is. I serve papers in there, so yeah, I'd have to find it because that's what the rich people do yeah so that it confuses the fuck out of people because i know what number it is i serve papers in there so yeah i have to i'd have to find those houses and then figure out how to wait to get past their giant security gate too
Starting point is 01:28:53 on top of it yeah that's fun and then also navigate their maid as well so it's a lot of fun serving papers in there back in the day so anyway, he then admitted to police that he hit her also. Admitted to striking her. So cuffs, hands. Either way, he's getting cuffed up. But they talked to him. And, you know, I mean, obviously somebody hit her for fuck's sake. She's bleeding and got a swollen lip.
Starting point is 01:29:18 And he said, yep, it happened. So they file a misdemeanor assault charge against him here. Domestic battery and all that sort of shit. So the statement here, they make a statement, or he does with Jerry Colangelo standing next to him. They have a press conference with the son's owner. His hair is more silver by the minute here as it happens. And Jerry's got to make this balls-ass statement. As it happens. And Jerry's got to make this balls-ass statement.
Starting point is 01:29:44 Just two years after he shipped Cliff Robinson the fuck out of here for smoking weed, talking about, we will not have criminals on this team. Cliff Robinson was on the 2000 team. It was after that. But this was right after Bobby Chouinard on the Diamondbacks had a domestic incident and they shit-canned him. So this was like, and then there was that catcher, too. Remember that catcher who had a domestic incident as well well or he burned somebody's ass with a lighter or something no no no he was a first baseman who's the little guy one of their shit catchers he was like a second string catcher but he burned some girl with a bick lighter in a fucking club or something and
Starting point is 01:30:19 they shipped him off to why would you do that anyway i don't know that was the whole point they were like god what's wrong with that guy and they were like i know and they shit canned him can't remember i don't want to say the wrong guy yeah try to give her a smiley yes like a like a bus seat now in in middle school yeah what an asshole that's what he was doing i think so kid in this press conference says quote i love my wife i love family. This is a situation that is embarrassing to me, to my family, to my friends, and also to the Phoenix Suns. I apologize for that. And at this time, that's pretty much all I can say. I have issues that I have to work on.
Starting point is 01:30:56 No shit. So then Jerry Colangelo said, quote, it should be noted that Jumana, Jason, and theoenix sons agree that the focus should be on their personal family issues and he's not going to be in uniform this night for the game they have a game that night but you know it's going to due to the circumstances he's going to sit out that game um yeah so they said that it's crazy they've been mr and mrs phoenix king and queen of phoenix for a long time they were even the hosts of the telecast of the New Year's Eve celebration in Tempe where they dunk a chip into a giant Tostitos jar, which is actually true. That's hysterical. Yep, they were the hosts there. Colangelo said Jumana and Jason are very special people as far as the Phoenix Suns are concerned.
Starting point is 01:31:42 Jumana has been a very big part of the Phoenix Suns family, family and we care about them both very much we know they love each other we know there are issues to be worked out they need time to make that happen how silver is that statement you're not their marriage counselor she's picking peaches out of her hair from the bottom of the yogurt i was gonna say that thing definitely exploded when he there's not a there's not a yogurt container on earth that can withstand the impact of a man's punch to someone's face it's not happening yogurt in her face poof the cop showed up there was yogurt on the cabinets you know it in the kid's hair yeah a two-year-old a two-year-old might laugh at that yeah they might not know that they might not know that that's horrible. Right, he might know that's violence.
Starting point is 01:32:28 They just go, hey, yogurt rain. You know, who knows? Strawberry rain. I was thinking about how scarred the child might be, but that might have been funny to him. Who knows? Yeah, he might not know what violence is yet. That's terrible, though. So I'm sure the screaming and yelling probably alerted him to it.
Starting point is 01:32:50 Yeah, there's a little implication. So a judge ordered Kidd to have no contact with his wife until after his arraignment. Wow. And so that was scheduled there. And the reports also said that the the uh kid was forbidden to return to their paradise valley home and he's been ordered uh that that or that home's also been ordered to be under observation by a third party i don't know what the fuck that means they have a cop standing in the driveway or something probably child protective services maybe uh but then if
Starting point is 01:33:20 but even though he's not supposed to, the kids held a press conference together. Right next to each other. On TV, documenting being in proximity of her. At the arena at Channel 12. Or Channel 12, it was on TV. And a Channel 12 photographer captured images of Jason playing with his son in the backyard of the family home, which he wasn't supposed to be at as well. What the hell is happening? Then he said, quote, this son in the backyard of the family home, which he wasn't supposed to be at as well. What the hell is happening? Then he said, quote,
Starting point is 01:33:48 this was in the press conference, he said, quote, I can promise you one thing. This will never happen again. There's no way you can condone something like that. It's a mistake, and you have to live with it and try to learn from it. That's with his wife standing next to him. He even wrote a letter
Starting point is 01:34:04 to all the Phoenix Suns ticket holders, season ticket holders, offering an apology. They got a letter from Jason Kidd apologizing for punching his wife in the face. What a weird thing to do. What a weird thing to do. Just you guys work it out. Apologize to her. Leave me out of it. You don't know me.
Starting point is 01:34:25 That's a personal matter. Babe, you're not going to gonna believe this we got a letter from jason kidd really what's it say he said he's sorry for wasting yogurt he said he's very sorry um and he he won't hit any other if you come to the game he won't hit you he said he's not gonna hit any other women what a terrible asshole so idiot they said they got a couple hundred letters back saying we support you you're great that was what you mana said anyway january 24 2001 he moves back into the house he's granted formal permission to move back to the house but they must seek counseling and uh the judge granted the motion that if he seeks counseling they can be together the judge said quote both parties wanted to seek counseling,
Starting point is 01:35:05 and the court decided not to stand in the way of their reconciliation. Okay. The judge is a lot of money. And he's got so much money. And he pays a lot of taxes in PV here. So we're going to... The town attorney here, by the way, the town attorney at that time was Andrew Miller,
Starting point is 01:35:21 who went on to be... Is that right? Didn't he get indicted later, or was that the other guy? Oh, that was Andrew... That was a different guy. Thomas, Thomas. There you go. Never mind.
Starting point is 01:35:29 Sorry, Andrew Miller. Sorry, town attorney. Disbarred and everything. Sorry, town attorney Andrew Miller of Paradise Valley. We don't mean to. That was a mistake. We don't need to confuse you with a real piece of shit. Don't need to do that.
Starting point is 01:35:41 He says, the judge's order allowing for contact between Jumana and Jason... contact between Jumana and Jason. Jason? Jumana and Jason. Jumana and Jason. And for him to move back into the house does not change the charge of assault, which is still an ongoing matter in the courts. So one thing they do here, somebody writes a scathing article. Scathing article, okay?
Starting point is 01:36:07 scathing article okay it's not about you know him acting like a family man who loves his wife and appears with her on tv and then beating the shit out of her in private right it's not about a trite apology next to the owner that's very self-serving and all that shit it's not about any of that so that we're not in the playoffs no no no it's about the fact that he lied and was on a billboard and sold. It was like a shill for, it was a pitch man for Estrella Mountain Ranch homes. And he doesn't actually live there. They found out from this that he lives in Paradise Valley and not in Estrella Mountain Ranch or whatever the fuck it is. We've been jogging every day hoping to him pass by his house maybe he'll be outside getting his newspaper nothing i don't see shit so here's from an article it certainly was a shock to hear paradise valley
Starting point is 01:36:57 police arrested jason kidd on charges of hitting his wife because i thought he lived at a stray mountain ranch i think we're mad at the wrong thing here. I think we're upset with the wrong shit. I really do. That's somebody that bought a house hoping that he would help raise the property value around here. And he's not here. That's someone that tells her friends Jason Kidd lives in my neighborhood. Right.
Starting point is 01:37:22 That's that asshole. Yeah. My friends back home in Nebraska saw the news. He doesn't live here. Yeah, it's bullshit, man. When someone comes in from town, out of town, and they take them to their house, they pass by one house and they go, I think that's where Jason Kidd lives. And they're like, really?
Starting point is 01:37:38 They go, yeah. And they keep driving. He doesn't live there. Yeah. Wow. He's a fucking cookie cutter subdivision. He doesn't live there you guys that's the other thing we have to say this is a middle of nowhere 30 miles from downtown cookie cutter
Starting point is 01:37:53 tracked home subdivision this is this is you can build a house and pick some colors but you don't get to pick yeah fuck shit up remember that indiana jones movie when they incinerated that town that all looked the same that's what it looks like that it's all the same and it's plastic and no real people don't live there it's weird they're all like mannequins so that is the greatest letter ever this is this is up in the paper this is a published thing so good at least that's what the billboards had me believing the one with with kid cradling a basketball and the word a kid's paradise those billboards are gone now stripped off their mammoth canvases probably by some poor guy who got called in on his day off after the folks at astrea mountain ranch realized
Starting point is 01:38:36 they had a wife beater as a spokesman jesus kids signed by thes in 96 was signed by Estrella Mountain Ranch in February of 99. According to county real estate records, Jason and Jumana Kid got a house on Eagle Drive in return for his endorsement. Estrella Mountain Ranch on the far west side of Phoenix will be, wow, that's a lot. It's the largest master plan community with 70,000 homes. Yeah, it's a big place. It's a sea of homes yeah yeah and it's a there's a it's a golf community and that's what they're trying to good year or some shit oh it's it's buckeye baby yeah so far out there um so anyway one guy here this is robert mcleod 56
Starting point is 01:39:18 who uh lives across from kid's house that they gave him that he doesn't live in quote he's not a neighbor that's what he says as far as living here he hasn't uh yeah he said the kid and his family were out there for a series of photo shoots they walked a dog and golfed and posed for the ads and gave the impression that they were residents here and then moved into a 4.5 million dollar paradise valley mansion instead. They were like, we're not fucking living here. Yeah. By the way, if he doesn't complete his endorsement deal, the real estate papers say that he has to pay them $215,000, which was the value of the house at the time.
Starting point is 01:39:57 So he might have had to pay for that. That might be the largest penalty he gets for hitting his wife might be having to buy a house in Estrella Mountain Ranch. He might have to. Yeah. He might have to pay for the house that they gifted him. That's it. That he doesn't want. Right.
Starting point is 01:40:12 Yeah. That's it. Because that's more than the NBA will do. Tell you that much. March 2001 here, he reaches a plea agreement with the prosecutors where he will have the charge dropped if he undergoes six months of counseling and stays out of trouble for a year. So it's guilty to
Starting point is 01:40:32 the domestic violence and then it'll be dropped if he does his thing here. What year was that? March of 2001. So according to two domestic abuse experts who were on the case, Kidd has already demonstrated more effort to correct the problem than most people have oh boy founder of the national coalition uh national coalition
Starting point is 01:40:54 against violent athletes kathy redmond said that is highly extraordinary the fact that he is still talking to the counselor even though his six months are up is the first this is the first time i've ever seen that happen in 200 cases usually many of these athletes are so busy fighting it and saying they're not guilty so the coalition against violent athletes is saying he's going to even more counseling mind blown all fixed he's amazing what is he jimmy he's good now he is good now, baby. And he goes to therapy, James. He's also my kind of guy. My kind of guy.
Starting point is 01:41:38 So everything is take that broom out, sweep it right under the carpet like you're getting swept by the Spurs in the first round of the playoffs. And another good benefit that he doesn't know he's about to get is that 9-11 is going to wipe this from people's minds. No one will remember this. Nobody will remember this in five months. This is all over. 9-11 was like that Men in Black fucking mind eraser thing. That's what it was. It was the great reset. Click, everyone forgot everything before that.
Starting point is 01:41:58 And we're just like, why are you wearing that on your head? It just turned into a really weird time in our country. People just questioning everything that doesn't look red, white, and blue. Very weird shit. wearing that on your head like it just turned into a really weird time in our country people just questioning everything that doesn't look red white and blue very weird shit there uh 2000 2001 season during all this in the midst of this he's an all-star still starts 76 games just the view he missed for they think he missed four for the for his problem there being being arrested. Averages 16.9 points a game. That ties a career high. 9.8 assists per game.
Starting point is 01:42:29 Leads the league. 6.4 rebounds. 2.2 steals. Has his normal fine season. $7,680,000 he also makes this year. Disgusting. Good lord. Shitloads of money.
Starting point is 01:42:41 By the way, he's leading the league in triple doubles every year. Yeah. Every year, which back then it's like five, seven. But we'll talk about later where he stands on that list. But what's the triple doubles that he's doing? Are they their assist points and rebounds? Rebounds, yeah. Motherfucker.
Starting point is 01:42:56 Yeah, he's a guy who'll definitely, he can pull down 10 rebounds. I mean, if you average six or seven a game, there's games you're getting 10 easy. I mean, that's the way it is. If you average six or seven a game, there's games you're getting 10 easy. I mean, that's the way it is. So July 18, 2001, though, the Suns say, we're going to get rid of you. And they trade him. No matter how good you are, we don't like that publicity.
Starting point is 01:43:18 This is some New Jersey behavior. We're going to send you to Newark. Have fun. He's traded by the Suns with Chris Dudley, who, wow, jesus i think he went to yale that tells you a lot there to the new jersey nets for johnny newman and stefan marbury that's who will come here and do just as many passes fuck up way worse than Jason can ever imagine fucking up. Doing 100 miles an hour down Shea. Oh, yeah. The mess that we did an episode on Marbury. Yeah, we did.
Starting point is 01:43:52 No, we didn't. Yes, we did. We have. We've mentioned him so much. We think we have, but we haven't. This came up on another episode where we kept saying during the Stefan Marbury episode, but we had just talked about somebody else that was close to stefan marbury because then somebody else was his cousin really i don't think we've actually done a marbury episode i will check but i don't think we have
Starting point is 01:44:12 i swear we have we've talked about him a lot because he keeps coming up but are you trying to fight the mandela effect that hard that you don't want it to exist i could be crazy if we did do it i completely i i apologize but I don't think we've done Marbury. Maybe not. If we don't, if we haven't, then there's an episode. Yeah. So they did not tell Kit about it ahead of time. They found out from the media.
Starting point is 01:44:37 The kids. Yeah. Ouch. Jason, Kit and Jumana and the family were in the Taco Bell parking lot here. And his wife, by the way, they're all reconciled and she's pregnant with twins at this point. Holy shit. Oh, yeah. Ready to eat some chalupas together and have a gordita for the twins.
Starting point is 01:44:57 Spit some twists in her face. That's right. That'll do it. Like we said, they're threaded. They'll come out quickly. That's right. That'll do it. Like we said, they're threaded.
Starting point is 01:45:04 They'll come out quickly. So a friend from a TV station asked if they can stop by and get a statement, basically, here. Because, by the way, I meant to say, obviously, I told you she had a radio show. She had a fucking radio show on sports radio, Jumanji Kid. It was a daily show, I believe. Was it on 620 or 910? I think it was 620. I think it was 620. It wasn't 910. was the other one yeah it wasn't the kind of the better one it was kind of the ones that the one that played the games because i think 620s were broadcasted the sun game so it was that's
Starting point is 01:45:34 what it was gambo and ash and those douches no that was 9 10 no they weren't they weren't no they weren't positive absolute that i'm absolutely positive on during that time because i i never listened to 620 but i had 610 when i did a shitty job that i was like 9 10 i need to hear people talking in the background i am anyway it sucks so bad it's so bad i just feel like this is awful hearing two idiots argue about sports and neither of them know what they're talking about you're like ah i want to kill you people so um they get that and they they get a phone call saying hey what do you think about being traded and they're like pardon um jumana asked do you mean mike bibby and jason williams it was the other trade yeah and uh they said no you you're getting you just
Starting point is 01:46:18 got traded you guys are moving to new jersey and she said what what the fuck and um yeah jumana said here i am in shock i'm thinking what is this guy made of he's still ordering for himself he just pulled up and ordered oh he got traded that's fine what's what are you gonna do not eat because i have to live in new jersey i still gotta eat so she wasn't hungry anymore uh he said he wasn't surprised about it he had just in case cleaned out his locker after they lost in the playoffs because he said he thought yeah he told a teammate i think i'm gonna be traded and uh so that's what ended up happening here um he is called by the way ernie grunfeld said he runs the bucks basketball operations he was talking about the trade he said quote jason is the best pure point guard in basketball he said
Starting point is 01:47:05 he looks to pass first and shoot second he makes the players around him better giving them the ball or they can do the most with it that's true so then joanna kidd called up jerry colangelo okay oh here's what you don't want that's you can't have your wife call okay your spouse can't call your boss no ever for any reason when it comes to this type of shit to be mad you treated my whether it's husband wife it doesn't matter it doesn't matter the gender you can't call your spouse's boss you look like a fucking lunatic when you do that well she feels i'll bet you she feels like this is her fault for calling the police in the first place because she's been putting up with this for so long why couldn't i have just put up with it one more day she's got to feel you don't think she
Starting point is 01:47:52 feels a little bit guilty like it's her fault and then she she teamed up with the team to put him through some shit to to make him be better and now we're trading him for that bullshit that's you don't think she feels a little bit of that? No, I feel like she feels like they're one person. She's getting this treatment too. Yes, because she called up Jerry Colangelo, who didn't answer, and left him a message sarcastically going, yeah, thanks for telling us first for trading us, like being a dick about it.
Starting point is 01:48:22 Trading us? Thanks for trading, yeah, and thanks for telling us personally being a dick about it. Trading us? Thanks for trading. Yeah. And thanks for telling us personally. Really appreciate that. Blah, blah, blah. Imagine that. Everybody out there, imagine your significant other calling your boss and leaving that kind of fucking message. Even if you agreed with it, you'd be like, don't do that.
Starting point is 01:48:38 I look like a fucking, I say that. If it's my job, don't do that. You know? I get that she's part of it too, but she's not on the team. That's not how this works. Well, she's also probably mad because if she has local TV stuff and local gigs, she does. That's over now. Either that or she stays here and he goes there, which isn't going to happen either.
Starting point is 01:48:58 So Jerry Colangelo cited a quote malaise on a part of our fans. He said the attendance was down. It was a purely, you know, that's all it was, just a basketball experience or decision. Spicing it up, yeah. Not a personal thing. Jason Kidd, on his son's experience, said, this is great, quote, it's always been negative there, ever since I've been there. He said, I don't want to blast anybody personally, but from top to bottom, I won't blast anybody personally. I'll just blast everybody in a group.
Starting point is 01:49:31 I'm not going to leave anybody out. So he literally says, I'm going to blast everybody. It's everybody. Literally his words. It is everybody. I don't want to blast anybody personally, but from top to bottom, I'm not going to leave anybody out. It's everybody. It's not all Coach Scott Skiles. It was was negative there sometimes that's the way they run the show
Starting point is 01:49:49 wow um that's wild we talked a lot and tried to figure out where did we go wrong and what can we do to make it better he's talking about with jumana now yeah so they should have just let me stay here i thought i did everything i could do publicly but I had a lot more work to do with my family. So he also says that during his four games he took off during this, the Suns GM Brian Colangelo pressured him to return, according to the kids here. Yes. Jumana, who she's the one who's going to talk about this. She says, quote, The Suns were getting on TV saying that they support him not wanting to play right away and taking some time off but realistically brian was calling him every day saying you need to come back if you had any other job you'd be fired for taking this time off i told i told brian fire him because for once in our marriage he's putting me
Starting point is 01:50:40 as a priority you can't tell this guy's oh my god you can't tell him you're fucking oh my god oh my god oh my god they are so bad for each other i get and i'm gonna i'm gonna put a umbrella over this of obviously any nobody should be hitting anybody no i i'm the biggest believer in that in the fucking world no one hit anybody stop hitting people unless you're of the same gender and evenly matched and then punch away if you want and you both want to fight i don't care at that point but don't hit your significant other don't anybody in a power don't do that domestic violence is fucking horrible at the same time we can now separately of that say stay the fuck out of the business also not out of the out of
Starting point is 01:51:27 this is his particular business i get that you're affected also not your job if you worked for if she worked for you know if she was a news anchor he couldn't call up her producer and say you motherfuckers making her work where she's finally putting me first in our marriage as a priority you can't do that that's crazy also when you're married to an athlete there's You motherfuckers making her work. She's finally putting me first in our marriage as a priority. You can't do that. That's crazy. Also, when you're married to an athlete, the sports schedule is not scheduled around. Does everybody, does nobody have, no wives, no wives birthdays every night?
Starting point is 01:51:58 We can all play? Everybody on this team, everybody and on that team? Jason's wife wasn't feeling well, so he stayed home to watch the kids to take care of her he's not playing tonight that's not how it works he's got eight million dollars this year he can pay a babysitter back then you were it was frowned upon still back then to take a night off if your wife was having a baby it was still that was like game and then you take your ass we're only here for a couple hours don't worry you'll get that's what i That's what I mean. It was literally like, I mean, I don't know, man. You don't really have to be there, do you? The doctor's got this.
Starting point is 01:52:29 That's what it was like back then. There was a guy that just played on the Rams in the Super Bowl, played the Super Bowl and went to the hospital afterwards because his wife was having a baby. The Super Bowl's different. Yeah, I get it. But I'm saying it's a game. A regular season game. That could have been a regular season game.
Starting point is 01:52:44 He would have done the same thing. He would have probably done the same thing yeah yeah your team needs you she's got doctors no doctors can play strong safety so get the fuck out there get out there but this is you can't say this um so wow um i told brian fire him for once in our marriage he's putting me as a priority he is going to to get help, and we are tackling this problem, and you want me to tell him he's doing the wrong thing when for once in his life he's actually doing the right thing? No, he's not. He's like, I write checks out to Jason Kidd.
Starting point is 01:53:17 Can you put him on the fucking phone? Because you're not even in the memo line of the fucking check. It doesn't say j kid it says jason it's very specific it doesn't say in the memo line to the happy couple hey how many assists you have last year jumanja you know like not enough to tell me how to fucking either me or anybody else how to do basketball shit or shit that you're not involved in that's all could go either way let's just stay out of it you can tell jason all this shit you tell him he tells brian that's fine you can you know puppet him and make him say that shit because in marriages we all do that you
Starting point is 01:53:55 should tell them that and then you're you know they you sometimes do shit to satisfy a spouse or whatever that happens that's fine but they don't say it for you that just makes you look nuts so at home um like i said he's doing anger management and counseling and all this type of shit and uh so now they're gonna go to new jersey so they're like jesus christ i don't know you know what to do here he said i've learned if you look at the bad you set up for failure. I told my wife it's all going to work out. In the long run, this is going to be a good thing, going to New Jersey. So Jumana and Jason both grew up in the Bay Area. Yeah, so this sucks.
Starting point is 01:54:36 Newark and Berkeley are, I can't tell you how absolutely different galaxies those two places are in. They're just. Fish out of water, nothing. this is a fish on dry land it's crazy yeah flopping um and she's like oh my god i don't want to move to jersey but then she found that there's really nice parts of jersey too it's all not just like by the arena in fucking newark it's also or by the airport in Newark, I meant to say. Some, there's also Bayonne. Yeah, well, there's also,
Starting point is 01:55:06 like, Saddle River, where they live, is really nice. October 2001, they have twins, twin girls, Maya and Gazelle,
Starting point is 01:55:16 and they take some time off together and get counseling to satisfy, to solidify their marriage and spend time with the twins, and they have a big giant house in saddle river, New Jersey, huge thing,
Starting point is 01:55:30 big backyard. That's the size of a football field that they mow and all that kind of shit. Um, you know, they're excited cause in Phoenix you don't have grass or trees. True. Yeah. In suburban New Jersey,
Starting point is 01:55:40 you have like a big yard with grass that you could just grows just rainwater makes it grow. It's totally cool. He would have to take a year's salary of $8 million to get grass to grow out there on the side of that fucking mountain. And it would still die half the time anyway, even though you had sod planted. So they go into Manhattan for charity stuff and they go to nice dinners and all that shit. They're living quite the life now. They're doing very well.
Starting point is 01:56:06 Kids also, by the way, going to make a shitload of money as we'll find out. So I think they'll make they'll they'll make do. So a kid said, though, once his contracts up the year after this, I don't know if I'll stay in New Jersey. We'll have to see how we how we like it. He said family will be a big factor. In other words, Jumana will tell me where we're going to live. I believe that's what that means. Jumana will tell me what we like it. He said family will be a big factor. In other words, Jumana will tell me where we're going to live. I believe that's what that means.
Starting point is 01:56:27 Jumana will tell me what we can afford. What we're supposed to be living in. TJ will be at an age where we don't want to take, we don't want to get up and take him out of school. There'll be a lot of factors in how we adapt to the East Coast. The good thing is we'll see a cold winter. The big thing is winning. When work is fun,
Starting point is 01:56:43 it's hard to leave. So if the Nets are good, who knows knows we might stay yeah so 2001 2002 new jersey nets 52 and 30 they go in the regular season team yeah for the nets is amazing yeah um the first round of the playoffs it's a five game series they win three to two over the pacers that year who indiana was still pretty damn good around that time. Next up, Charlotte Hornets. They beat them in five games, 4-1. Next up, the Boston Celtics in the first conference finals. And they win that in six games to go all the way to the finals. And I remember this because
Starting point is 01:57:25 don't ask me how or why but during this series i watched one of the games in a was it a tgi in a in a bar in in massapequa long island i watched i swear to god in like a strip mall bar uh it was the one wherever the fuck they have those stupid bartender Olympics in that area, because somebody I knew, their girlfriend was in the bartender Olympics. So me and my friend were in New York for a Yankee game. We went and stopped by there. And so I ended up watching a NBA fucking finals game of New Jersey getting trounced by the Lakers in a terrible bar in Massapequa,
Starting point is 01:58:06 Long Island, which is a very weird place to watch it. Anyway, they get swept by the Lakers. They didn't belong on the floor with the Lakers at all. You look at this, Richard Jefferson, Lucius Harris, Kerry Kittles, Donnie Marshalls on that team, Kenyon Martin, Keith Van Horn. There's not a single person that could play anybody on the lakers it's not shack and kobe it's just not so you don't have any and your center they have todd mccullough and jason collins as their centers garden shack dominating
Starting point is 01:58:37 that shit so not gonna work and the lakers have rick fox and this was like one of their best teams yeah they're fucking loaded. So March of 2002, during this season, on the way to the finals here, Jason Kidd was undecided about whether he was going to bring his wife. This was in the playoffs versus Boston. Didn't know whether he was going to bring his wife and his son to the Fleet Center because the first game they went to, basically, he's been getting ridden hard by the fans yeah uh antoine walker says quote jason kidd should probably leave
Starting point is 01:59:12 his wife at home don't bring your wife on the road just leave her at home and don't put her in that situation and antoine walker is a tough son of a bitch and mouthy well when he's the voice of reason also you're like you know what maybe we listen to antoine walker he's antoine walker's advising restraint what do you say maybe we should and that's a player on the other team the other team is telling you bro don't bring her man my. My fans are going to crush you. Yeah, well, that's what he said. He said, like, well, that's what it's about. Basically, the Celtics fans, she was at the game with the Sun, and the Celtics fans were chanting wife beater. All the fans sitting across from her had T-shirts with wife beater written on it,
Starting point is 02:00:01 and they were showing them. Yeah, they were wife beater shirts. No, they wrote wife beater on on it. And they were showing them. Yeah, they were wife beater shirts. No, they wrote wife beater on it also. Hilarious. To show her. So they were wife beater, wife beater shirt. Yeah, the chanting wife beater. And she's there.
Starting point is 02:00:12 Probably not great, I would say, for the whole thing here. And Walker said, if they don't want to be part of it, maybe they don't need to be here then. He said, quote, things are going to be said that you don't want that you don't want to be said there are people out there who like that people are at people are at the game to cheer this is a very good arena fans are coming out and filling the arena so they're allowed to say what they want and say that they're allowed to cheer for their team and also don't it's boston man what do you want? They're vicious. They're going to be vicious. Yeah. They're going to be very, they're always fucking vicious.
Starting point is 02:00:54 So the Nets here, Jesus Christ, Jason Kidd's like, well, I don't want to be a distraction. He says, quote, I think we have kind of taken this out of hand. He said, I guess the games haven't been good enough, so you guys have to find something else to talk about. That's the unfortunate thing. So from this point on, we're not going to comment on anything about my family because we've lost perspective that this is basketball and not about my family. Well, you made it about your family when you punched your wife in the mouth as a public figure. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:01:20 And you put your family in the public figure by being the face of so much corporate shit. Do you want that money or do you not? What do you want? By the way, also, the Nets fans retaliated by holding a sign up when they went back to New Jersey during that series that read, quote, will someone please stab Paul Pierce? Because he was stabbed the year before. That's not cool. That's something you say to your friend or to your friend on a podcast in front of an audience of hundreds of thousands of people. But you don't make a sign that says it.
Starting point is 02:01:56 That's crazy. That's crazy. Or Lewis. That's nuts. So they confiscated. They didn't let the person have that side you can't you can't go for violence here they asked paul pierce if he's bothered by that and he said not at all people are going to say what they want to say my main job is to go on the court and focus on doing what i need to do yeah you have to worry about what each 20 000 person might be thinking
Starting point is 02:02:22 you're not going to play well so jason's an all-star this year all 82 games 14 points 9.9 assists 7.3 rebounds fucking awesome second in the mvp voting this year as well behind kobe yeah i think so either kobe or shack one of them uh 8 million 447 500 bucks to this year not too too shabby. 2002, 2003, 49 and 33. This year they beat the Bucks in six in the playoffs. They sweep the Celtics in four the next round.
Starting point is 02:02:54 Then they sweep the Pistons in four. No shit. So they get to the finals going 12 and 2, which is a great rolling. And then they lose in the finals, but in six games to the Spurs oh it was another kind of grinded out team at the time so they were amazing they were great they just they were they were like science or something they just it was all put together so well player was specific to each
Starting point is 02:03:18 fucking position and they were the best some of the best at each position. It was fantastic. So 2002, 2003, he plays in 80 games, 18.7 points a game. That's a career high in that season. 8.9 assists and 6.3 rebounds. Another great year and another great salary, $9,265,000. Guys made $80 million. Wait till you hear more. 2003 and 2004 with the N 47 and 35 uh they lose to the pistons in seven games in the easter in the second round
Starting point is 02:03:52 of the playoffs they swept the knicks in the first round thanks a lot assholes so kids an all-star again yeah uh 15.5 points 9.2 rebound or 9.2 assists, 6.4 rebounds. And his money this year, he makes $13,152,000. What the fuck? In addition to that, in 2000, he vows that he's found God, Jimmy. I found him. Mark Wahlberg? I found him. it was weird i i one day i rolled my car over and i climbed out and there
Starting point is 02:04:30 he was just standing there i found him at the bottom of the dannon that's it he was like wow that's not fruit on bottom that's something much better that's the holy spirit on the bottom let me get holy spirit on bottom yogurt from dannon please um he said he found god and he's going to be a new person he buys his wife by the way because he fucks everybody by the way he's known for it fucking everybody and he made up for his adultery by buying her a $585,000 pink diamond ring and a $555,000 diamond pendant. Huh. It's the Kobe plan. Yeah. Million dollars and I'm sorry?
Starting point is 02:05:17 Yeah. Sorry. Sorry about that. Now, you installed a stereo for Jason Kidd. Yes, I did. Tell me about this. I need to know about this he had a 67 camaro rs that was like copper gold with black stripes the car was fuck yeah straight fire and it was original everything on this car was original so it was like it was a very expensive
Starting point is 02:05:40 car in 1999 i think it's 2000 and this is a thousand dollar car it's crazy it's beautiful so he brought the car in yeah yeah he brought the car into the car stereo shop that i worked in and he wanted us to cut the shit out of the back deck and put six by nines in it and then he wanted us to cut the dash and put a stereo in it and then he wanted us to drill a hole in the fender to wire it with an antenna because it came with no stereo. You told him no, right? You told him, I'm sorry, we can't do that. I said, you're the doctor, Chief.
Starting point is 02:06:14 Oh, no. That's like somebody going, come on into the Louvre for a minute. See this painting? We don't like that she doesn't have eyebrows. If you could give her, but like the eyebrows girls have now that they tattoo on, eyebrows if you could give her but like the eyebrows girls have now that they tattoo on the thick one give me some give her some of those and some nice tits under that would you yeah throw some tits on or maybe like uh i don't know spruce up her outfit a little bit make her make the old broad look make the old broad look like she's ready to do
Starting point is 02:06:40 something you know what i'm saying all right he he picked where the antenna goes because the antenna on a car should go in the on the front fender he wanted on the back fender so that there's no blind spots because an antenna historically really blinds the shit i can't see anything when there's an antenna in my way i can't see anything on the right side so we put the antenna on the back but the the trunk lid on on an old camaro like that is so super short so when it comes up oh it's very short it would smash the antenna so we put two feet yeah we put a little a little button in there so that when the when the trunk lid pops that that antenna uh goes down it was a power antenna yeah so we showed him that and he goes huh cool and then he was like who do
Starting point is 02:07:25 i pay and zero smiles not impressed not happy this car was it sounded amazing and even still i wanted to cry because we cut the living shit out of this destroyed it yeah somebody right now owns that car and they're like who if some asshole don't cut this fucking dashboard apart this thing would be mint perfect and and i'm not i don't want to run down a business, but the business has run down itself. It's not a historically known for its quality workmanship place. It's known for the one dollar wire. Yeah. It's where you take a Camry that someone put shitty rims on.
Starting point is 02:08:01 That's what it is. And you plug and play. You get those ones, the ones with the wire harness that just plugs right in. You put your deck on. That's what it is. And you plug and play. You get those ones. The ones with the wire harness that just plugs right in. You put your deck in. It's fine. This didn't have a wired deck. We had to cut the shit out of it and run wires all over the place.
Starting point is 02:08:14 They cut his dash. Extra power even. They cut his dash with a Sawzall, James. Oh, no. Jesus. Was there like somebody weeping in the background? Me. I can just see like some 55-year-old man weeping in the background.
Starting point is 02:08:31 God, no. Jesus Christ. I got my first blowjob in that car. You ruined this thing. Please. Stop, please. Susie made boobies. She touched my balls.
Starting point is 02:08:44 Please stop. I think maybe somebody, when he told them what he did, maybe in the interim of him leaving after dropping this car off for a week, when he came back, somebody may have told him, you're a fucking idiot. You don't cut that car apart. Because when he came back, he seemed to be upset. I don't know, man.
Starting point is 02:09:05 We did what you wanted. It's in there. Pay me. You told us to lower the value of your car by a third. It's not our fault. And he was a dick about it. I was like, I don't know what to tell you, man. Fucking douchebag.
Starting point is 02:09:19 Your car is done. Everyone in Phoenix has a story like that about Jason Kidd. And worse, James. The manager of that place was like a giant douche, like a go-to-the-night-club-at-night douche. He came and got his stereo from us because our manager met him at one of those douchey clubs in Scottsdale while he was there with not his wife. Of course. Of course. See?
Starting point is 02:09:43 Everybody. I'm telling you man so he's a philandering fuck that cuts the shit out of old classic cars for no reason at all that's terrible he abuses women and classic cars he's a fucking monster he's truly a monster yes he really is for sure no matter what what makes get your blood boiling he can do it for you. Maybe that's why everyone hates him. He's just a little everything. One way or another, he'll upset you. Yeah. I mean, that's like, I'm pretty mad at him for both of those things.
Starting point is 02:10:13 Obviously, a little more for punching his wife, but also, don't fucking ruin that car either. That's history. You're destroying history, you dumb fuck. So, 2004-2005 season. They're 42-40. Not as good this year. They get swept by the heat in the first round of the playoffs that year. What year was this?
Starting point is 02:10:32 That's a good team, right? 2004-2005. Shaq was there, right? Oh, did he go there? I think he just got there. Yeah. They lose then to them. Kid's not an all-star this year.
Starting point is 02:10:42 He's 31, but 14.4 points, 8.3 assists, 7.4 rebounds. He had a normal Jason Kidd year. There was just other people. You know, that's all. He does make, though, this will make up for it, $14,796,000 that year. Wow. $27 million in two years. Shitballs.
Starting point is 02:11:02 Yeah. 2005-06, New Jersey. He's not an all-star again 13.3 points 8.4 assists 7.3 rebounds still having his regular year and at the at the pay window here uh as dusty roads would say at the pay window 16 440 000 this year 16 million16 million. $16 million. $440,000. That's like, you only made $16 grand? God, what a bum.
Starting point is 02:11:28 He's got nothing. Yeah. 2006, 2007 here. This is when it gets interesting, that season, because during this season, maybe this is why he wasn't an all-star.
Starting point is 02:11:37 January 9, 2007, he files for divorce. Okay. He, this is crazy. He surprised her. First first he took out a temporary restraining order against jimana and kicked her out of the house take a million dollars in jewelry get the fuck out yeah um then she was allowed to return home while he went to a basketball game to get some of
Starting point is 02:12:02 her shit but she is barred from the arena and the team's practice facility via the nets as well. Okay. So that counts there. That shouldn't make sense anyway. You don't work here. Yeah. Yeah. You don't belong here anyway.
Starting point is 02:12:15 But most people can invite their, you know, you can invite your spouse to work unless you work in like, you know, nuclear secrets or Roswell or something. Otherwise you can invite them in quick. She's not allowed here because of the restraining order. And he's accusing her of, quote, extreme cruelty throughout their marriage. What? Somebody got punched in the face with a yogurt and it wasn't you, sir. In papers here, he accuses Jumana of physically and mentally abusing him, threatening to make false domestic violence complaints against him to police and interfering with his relationship with his children.
Starting point is 02:12:50 They say this is him. His papers here. The defendant, meaning her, the defendant's extreme and unwarranted jealousy and rage has left the plaintiff concerned about her emotional stability. You constantly cheat on her. Yeah. And don't hit her yeah throughout this he brings up jealousy a million times it's like because you're constantly cheating on her to the point where you have to buy her a million dollars worth of diamonds right you know what i mean like that's a lot of cheating. Kobe Bryant did that for getting a rape charge and fucking a counter chick, sodomizing a teenage counter girl.
Starting point is 02:13:32 Like, that's what he had to pay for illegally, maybe allegedly. We don't know. We don't know. What the fuck, man? But that was his apology, and he kept her. Yeah. And he made up. He really wanted to keep her you didn't
Starting point is 02:13:46 you didn't want to keep this relationship has been toxic and volatile since day one and it has not gotten better and it's not going to because these two are terrible for each other but you don't get to claim victim when you're bashing her in the face. Not at all. Absolutely fucking not. And not even trying to hide how much you're cheating on her. Not even a little bit. Just going, and she knows it all. And I feel like he hasn't, he's wanted out of this marriage probably since 1999. Probably. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 02:14:16 Yeah. But he is one of these people who is like, oh, she's going to cause a big scene, so I'll just figure it out. And it's like, no, stupid. I'll just hit her when i get mad like no that's not gonna work um he claimed that uh that the physical abuse he considers her her he said physical abuse that he was on the receiving end of his wife considers her behavior the normal course of marital discord be her being able to hit him is what he's saying he said that
Starting point is 02:14:45 she grew increasingly controlling and manipulative and took to quote dissing his career in front of the children he said dissing dissing that's in a court document dissing she's dissing my career in front of the children and lying down in front of's car to prevent him from attending professional obligations. You're not leaving. He says, quote, since the inception of marriage, defendant Jumana, her method of displaying anger or dealing with frustration has been to hit Jason, punch Jason, kick Jason, or throw nearby household objects at plaintiff. Throw nearby household objects at plaintiff.
Starting point is 02:15:31 He also said that his wife, quote, threatened to call 911 and file fictitious domestic violence reports. Holy shit. Yeah. Jason Kidd filed for divorce from his wife today on the grounds of extreme cruelty over a long period of time, his attorney said. And as this is an extremely difficult personal matter, I that the privacy of the kid family be respected he said that two days after christmas kid sent her son tj into the locker room as like some sort of trojan horse so she could go behind him and quote rummage through his belongings and then quote after finding kid's cell phone jumana left the locker room to investigate the
Starting point is 02:16:13 names and numbers on the cell phone god damn it leaving the boy in the locker room jumana kid then quote took a front row seat in the arena and proceeded to shout personal insults at her husband throughout the game she he claims she heckled him from the front row at his his own wife nice shot who's serena yeah no shit imagine being one of the players on the other team and being like, yeah, no shit, right? He's a punk. You could really get on a guy for that. Even your wife says you suck. So, wow. Did that.
Starting point is 02:16:56 That's his claim. Kid also claimed that his wife spent tons and tons of money, quote, insisted upon excess household help, upon lavish gifts and upon excessive high end clothing. The papers also accused Jumana of kicking, hitting, punching, throwing household objects at her husband and becoming increasingly controlling and manipulative in the last few years. They also say that his wife, quote, increasingly harassed his employer, trainer, friends and family. He said that she is, quote, constantly checking his emails, phone messages and phone bills and that she attached trackers and homing devices to his cars and computers. OK. Well, again, you're fucking everybody.
Starting point is 02:17:44 Yeah, it's fucking no reason. He also accused her of invent inviting visitors in, quote, in the dance slash acting industry to stay for months at their mansion and that she spends too much money on excessive shit in the house. Yeah. He also says that when he tries to talk to his wife about finances and the need for prudence she becomes enraged um he said that uh he said she's been increasingly controlling she has controlling and manipulative she has complete control over him and that he is quote concerned for his own well-being yeah he's very scared of her right now she's gonna murder me he doesn't ask for sole custody of the children though he's like i mean i don't have
Starting point is 02:18:30 shit to do i can't be watching the kids that's another issue he doesn't he said it's in the best interest that the parties share physical and legal custody of the children like she's a psycho and everything but i mean you know i can't i i can't watch the kids all the time. I just can't. They got to be running around the house. I got random strange running through here. Yeah, I got all sorts of shit happening. I don't even know what room they're in. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 02:18:52 I make my own French fries now. Fuck that. So, yeah, he said, they asked him about it, and he said, I can't talk about my personal stuff. I hope you guys will respect this tough situation my family is going through and that we can resolve it as quickly as possible. They said, is this a distraction? And he said, there's really no distraction. This is my job. Now, they said that it
Starting point is 02:19:13 came as a big surprise, Jumana said because this is directly from an article. Kid's sudden move to end his troubled 10-year marriage caught Jumana Kid and her lawyers by surprise. Quote, we were in a conversation with Mr. Kidd's lawyers today and there was no mention of an intention to file. Okay, if your lawyers are talking to your wife's lawyers, there's a problem in your marriage. You're discussing something. Yeah. Me and Sarah don't have different lawyers
Starting point is 02:19:42 that talk to each other. We don't ever. Mediate your day for you? No, never. We just talk about it, figure out what we want for dinner. It's really fun. So that's wild. The lawyers, this was after, like we said, the restraining order and all that. Her lawyer also says that kid has been living at an unknown residence for several weeks, Jason. He hasn't been home.
Starting point is 02:20:04 He said it was a tough and difficult situation. He didn't know what else to say about it. He said, quote, I think that anything I do there will be headlines. But again, this is a family matter, and we're trying to work out our family things the right way. So the day after all this happens here, you know, obviously there's a lot of gossip and all sorts of shit like that so um now her statement comes out through her lawyer raul felder he says there's no truth whatsoever to the allegations of mental and physical abuse contained in the complaint they cite instead jason's arrest on spousal abuse charges while he's playing for the sons uh
Starting point is 02:20:41 jumana told police obviously this the spitting of the french fry the punching in the face um there he says the lawyer quote here's this lady who's 5'2 105 pounds whose husband's already pleaded guilty to beating her up over some french fries was fined and then took anger management counseling he claims he's afraid of her yeah uh he said that his client was quote a battered a battered woman in every sense of the word and they promised to file a counterclaim against jason within a week she says she didn't abuse him the lawyer says quote it's totally it's a totally distorted askew and untruthful perception of events which we are going to straighten out he's going to have to deal with
Starting point is 02:21:22 this in a court of law, not on the basketball court. Right. Okay. He said the kid's been living away from home. He said, quote, he disappeared. If she wanted to see him, she had to go to a ball game. He just left. He's acting like he was so terrified of her that he had to leave the house.
Starting point is 02:21:41 He's in like a one bedroom apartment with the lights off. Right. Like peeking out of the curtains. One eye like listening to who apartment with the lights off right like peeking out of the curtains one eye like listening to who can it be now yeah yeah there's eye backing for do we have your play he's just hiding go away i got a lot of ammunition in here that's going on now the lawyer said uh he's disappeared i love that he's disappeared uh so they also said that kid said he wants it to be private but he is publicly released all these allegations the
Starting point is 02:22:21 lawyer said if he said it will be private but it's very hard to put the genie back in the bottle and deal with this in a sensible fashion like in other words it's on now motherfucker you asked for it so basically also they also mentioned that he didn't have to say that shit under the no fault divorce law laws in jersey he doesn't have to find fault with his wife he just files for you can just make a vague legal statement about irreconcilable differences and quietly dissolve a marriage you don't have to have a big thing in jersey it's not a big deal um but he had to say that shit which is fucking wild and then he asked that the privacy of his family be respected after he released yeah yeah it's fucking crazy she beats me please don't talk about this but don't talk about it at all i fear for my. Let's talk only about the upcoming game with the Washington Wizards.
Starting point is 02:23:06 That's all I want to talk about right now. Just the Charlotte Hornets and nothing else. Fuck out of here. So Jumana's attorney called this, quote, this is amazing, called kids' public statements the Saddam Hussein School of Public Relations. Holy shit. False, false, false is what he said. That's inflammatory. Yeah, I would say. It's very inflammatory. Jason doesn't
Starting point is 02:23:29 know where to turn. He doesn't. He's by himself. Who does he have right now? He's run to this apartment. He's got, you know who he has? All he has? And lucky for him, he's right there. All he has is God, Jimmy. And God pays him a visit and he says
Starting point is 02:23:48 how is it you've come to arrive here, Jason? Jason, I must ask you. Jason! I've given you all the talent you could ask for, have I not? Have you been the greatest in every single league you've played in since the beginning? Since you were four years old, you couldn't tie your shoes and you could dunk. Well, that's me, Jason. I did that for you. And you're embarrassing me, Jason. Honestly, this is pathetic.
Starting point is 02:24:29 I put you in the public eye. And I mean, if you hit your wife, that's terrible enough. But must you involve yogurt in the exchange? That takes away more of her dignity that she's got yogurt in her hair, Jason. I'm not appreciative of what you're doing. Also, you're pretty dumb. I apologize for that. That's on me, really.
Starting point is 02:24:51 I didn't give you much ability in that area, but I figured that you wouldn't need it, honestly. I thought, you know, maybe that's why I put you with Juman. I figured you two together, you'd, you know, fill each other's gaps in, but instead, you're a moron jason i'm sorry i i'm i regret i rarely regret a creation jason but i feel at this point i uh should have put more energy into stefan marbury and maybe changed his future but um i'm very busy seven
Starting point is 02:25:20 mil seven billion you know gotta go now jason but uh i don't know don't just don't fuck up more please jesus christ you're embarrassing poof and in a cloud of clouds he's gone and jason's like i'm with you god i'll do it i'm so sorry about that camaro he's fine now there are some uh i'm sorry god that Camaro is beautiful. It's the best thing he ever did. So, some things from New Jersey, too, because we have to say that, yeah, she's not, she is a pain in the ass to the players and shit like that. Like we said, can't hit her.
Starting point is 02:25:59 Can't hit her. That's what it is. Can't do it. You can divorce her. You can do whatever you want. Can't hit people. No. She was called 5-0 by the other players what her nickname was 5-0 like when you're a kid when the cops come you go 5-0 that's what they called her stop doing what you're doing when she
Starting point is 02:26:17 came in the locker room literally someone would yell 5-0 and everybody would fucking beat p's and q's yeah that nobody wants that's you know that's that's wild so uh kids that was all of the teammates did that here um because they say she would come in she was a busy body she'd snoop on her husband she'd be asking their girlfriends and wives if they knew where jason was and if they'd seen him and all that kind of shit and they were like yo it causes problems in my house um apparently too she would like just pop in on marketing meetings for the nets that she wasn't like invited to she'd just show up and be like what are we doing you know like you don't work here you don't work here yeah um she would uh demanded the courtside seats as well she wanted to have the courtside seats rather than in the boxes where they normally families normally sit because it's safer.
Starting point is 02:27:10 Right. More control. They can control. It's a security thing at that point. That's where people don't scream wife beater in your face up there. Yeah. Well, up there, they put you in a box and there's a security guy outside. No one can come in and bother you.
Starting point is 02:27:21 If you're front row, you're your fodder for everybody. It's secure. guy outside no one can come in and bother you if you're front row you're your fodder for everybody it's secure and it's extra pressure on the team to secure you at that point especially if you're a controversial figure that like this so uh anyway she said they did a lot of that sort of thing she would pester management quote about things like players having to clear snow off their cars she'd be like why do they have to clear the snow off their cars when they go out there why don't you have somebody go out there when they're practicing and it snows and clear their cars. She'd be like, why do they have to clear the snow off their cars when they go out there? Why don't you have somebody go out there when they're practicing and it snows and clear their cars off
Starting point is 02:27:47 for them? Oh my god, lady. Because they're amazing athletes. They can take a fucking brush and go like this on their windshield back and forth three fucking times. I see 90-year-old ladies doing it. I live in New York. I literally see 90-year-old ladies doing it in a CVS parking lot.
Starting point is 02:28:03 They can do it too we're from paradise valley we're not used to this it's ridiculous snow was not in our contract um here is a quote nets insider says quote jumana has always been a major nuisance to the nets and the nets players to be fair she paid for her front row seats but it was always but it was always high alert whenever she was around so uh yeah they said that uh it was no surprise and all the nets like amongst the players that this marriage was ending here that was big time here they said that she helped distract um they said they they liked having a kid would say he liked having her sit there because she'll distract the other team like they've never seen hot women before. Jason.
Starting point is 02:28:49 Come on. They have dance squads that are right there. 20 women dance squads that have bodies like that you couldn't fucking imagine in your wildest dreams. Are you kidding me? She's certainly a beautiful woman, but she's not that. She's not distracting. No one's distracting to a basketball player on a, but she's not that. No one's distracting to a basketball player on a court. That's the thing.
Starting point is 02:29:10 You could be on fire. People are holding up dildos, waving them around while they're shooting free throws, and they just look right through it and sink the shot. They're not paying attention. That's what I'm saying. It's nothing against her. So she was frequently photographed close up by the TV cameras. She's always in the middle of everything.
Starting point is 02:29:34 She denies making demands on next Nets management or even dressing provocatively for the opposing players for distraction. She's dirty. They said that she's yet to say anything negative about her husband. And her lawyer said team kids should appreciate should appreciate that they have three young children who can read and hear what's being said about their mother then she files okay she tried to keep it sealed but his lawyer fought against keeping it sealed so it wasn't sealed she asked for it to be sealed so this didn't have to be like this jason at all um she accused him of beating her constantly and cheating on her she said kid regularly punched slapped and choked her and in separate incidents used a baseball bat and then
Starting point is 02:30:14 other things to beat her wow um she said the abuse got so bad she took to hiding a bag filled with keys and cash in her backyard on the advice of a basketball coach's wife that she knows. Told her, you know, in case you have to escape, put cash in there. Put all the keys in case he takes your keys and, you know, freezes your accounts. Have a bunch of cash and keys out there so you can take your car and go. In case he flew into a rage and locked her out of the house, too. Anything like that. She said, said though she stayed
Starting point is 02:30:45 because kid would regularly confess his bullshit and promise to change i'm sorry i did that here's a half a million dollar diamond and it would be okay cyclical spousal abuse yeah um yeah now to this the they're on the other side too they're putting out nasty things one of jason kidd's friends said quote it's not surprising she's going to terrorize the team some more they all hate her on that team like all the players so she um yeah she keeps going on with this he said that she uh at one point right before their marriage even happened in 1996 he grabbed her by the throat and held her up against the wall and choked her jesus uh throughout the year she said he broke her ribs punched her in front of her friends threw her across a room hit her with a baseball bat
Starting point is 02:31:31 knocked her unconscious with a purse before pouring a bottle of champagne on her that is he's so disrespectful that's yeah it's not only the hitting he's got to also be like and you mean nothing you're garbage to me too and not even the he's of trash yeah the hitting is also i'm not saying but in addition i also spit on you because i don't care even that much about you even if you're hurt i don't care about you i'll pour something on you even if you're hurt um and also smashed a large rock on her arm one time and hurt her arm he claimed that She claimed that he went after her with everything. At one point, here's a quote, struck the defendant with her purse. He accused her of striking him with her purse.
Starting point is 02:32:19 I'm sorry. She accused him of striking her with a purse and knocking her unconscious. And that's the incident with the champagne. Her lawyers claim that she was hospitalized several times. She said she would lie to doctors and friends about who caused the bruises. Because when your kids are little, they do hit you with shit. I remember I got hit right in the mouth with a fucking car one time from my daughter. She split my lip open, and people were like, Jesus, what happened? I was like, my two-year-old bashed me with a car. I time for my daughter she like split my lip open and people
Starting point is 02:32:45 were like jesus what happened i was like my two-year-old bashed me with a car they were like it was like a big plastic car she just wailed me and just got it right on the tooth perfectly and cut my fucking lip but i know a very masculine man who got hit with a candlestick came to work and told us that he fell yeah two black guys they don't want to yeah but he got it happens but yeah she she would didn't admit it to protect him though a candlestick was even involved in this even when she was pregnant he said she would she said he would beat her so um yeah they claim all that they said only in 2001 did she make the police report all that they said only in 2001 did she make the police report here's one at one point kid cut her lip by throwing a large cookie at her on a plane from mexico what he threw a big cookie at
Starting point is 02:33:35 her and i guess it hit her in the mouth and cut her lip open because it hit against her tooth so afterwards kid blamed jason blamed the son TJ, for throwing a cookie at his mother. Way to go, TJ. Yeah, TJ threw a cookie at her, man. Look at that. Meanwhile, it was him, she said. And he's saying the whole thing. She said in her papers she only hit him once, had one incident of violence against him when he was taunting her for crying so she threw a tv
Starting point is 02:34:06 remote at her or at him she threw the remote at him yeah um she said that his claim that she laid in front of his car to stop him from going to practice is also a lie she says she only sat on the trunk of his car once on new year's eve when she didn't want him to go out and she said she soon realized that wasn't a good strategy because he just punched it and drove out with her on the fucking trunk, almost killed her, basically. She realized, oh, he doesn't care about my safety at all. He won't stop if I'm on his trunk. He'll just go.
Starting point is 02:34:35 So that doesn't work. That's what she claims. She says it's also that she and not him, who tried to protect the kids from the whole domestic situation. She claims that he that he once called her to confess his affairs while the couple's son was sitting next to him in the car. And so he the kid overheard everything. The kid later asked questions of Jumana about, quote, dad's girlfriend. Yeah, that's how it would go so it was uh she claims years of physical
Starting point is 02:35:09 abuse sexual shit out the ass here as we'll talk about she said quote there were strippers in arizona sacramento miami dallas and indiana there was the cheerleader in new orleans or out in los angeles there's a woman named Lisa. He's got every city. He's got somebody set up for the road. She said even a next season ticket holder who he bangs, a team employee who he fucks, she says, and a woman named Petra who's identified in the court papers as the sister of a teammate's then girlfriend who I found out it is Richard Jefferson's girlfriend's sister. So that's who that is. Petra. Who's hot as fuck. Richard, they're both models.
Starting point is 02:35:52 Yeah, of course. So there you go. Sheckler's a Bakian or some shit. Yeah, who knows. Six foot tall, grumpier look on her face than Jason Kidd, but hot as shit. Also claims that he engaged in sexual relationships with several different television reporters as well that i hear happens a lot by the way really a lot that happens they're
Starting point is 02:36:13 like homicide detectives and nurses it's just it happens it's one of those things yep all the time she said uh she did get his phone as a matter fact, and on it she found numerous text messages from various women, along with numerous photographs of naked women. Of course. She called him extraordinarily self-absorbed and narcissistic, which should be the name of this episode. Portrayed him as a foul-mouthed binge drinker and an excessive gambler who was four million dollars in debt when they got married she says she claimed she tried to make uh he tried to make up for hitting her by buying her diamonds and all that she described him as a man with quote an excessive need for attention and chaos and also he wove a web of never-ending lies and stories. And she said she did track his car, though. That's true.
Starting point is 02:37:05 I believe it. But she said that she suggested that he suggested that she leave the device on the car so she could see that he wasn't fucking around. So, yeah. She also said she found a photograph of a naked pregnant woman on his secret cell phone with the caption, quote,
Starting point is 02:37:26 if lost, return to Papa Bear. Whose baby is that? She assumed that meant the kid's his probably. So she denies she insulted him during the game that night in New Jersey with the phone, but she said she did ask him, Papa Bear, is she pregnant? Which is taunting i'd say a lot but also well earned um she said he just laughed it off yeah didn't even fucking sweat it she said uh that's not there's tons of other people there's at least six women but tons of
Starting point is 02:37:57 hookups and all that sort of thing um yeah uh she said that uh he she heard her basically kid called that Lisa in front of her in front of Jumana. And Jumana says that she heard she heard Lisa asking him if he intended to to deny they had a child together. Jesus Christ. Yeah, she in the court filing, it says to this day, Jumana questions Kidd has fathered children outside of wedlock during the party's marriage. She said Petra traveled to meet her husband on various road trips he had with the Nets throughout 2003 and 2004 and said that, yeah, Petra is the sister of a model who dated Richard Jefferson. She also discovered that Kidd had slept with her friend,imana's friend not petra's friend whom this is the same friend he begged her not to see because he called her a bad influence and a whore i know it for sure yeah i don't i don't want you noticing that we're looking at each other
Starting point is 02:38:57 wow she says giving the affairs she says it's humorous that kid tried to portray her as paranoid and jealous um because duh you're fucking everybody it's ridiculous um he she said that um you know he insists that the uh she said that it's not it's not irreconcilable differences it's his affairs and abuse that are responsible for this and she says that the divorce came as a shock to her she said just a few months before he filed she said he'd asked her to renew their vows. That's fucking wank. Said Kidd had discussed buying a home in Mexico and going into a business venture together also. I want to tell you forever and mean it this time. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 02:39:42 Jesus Christ. So Jason Kidd's lawyer says she can shamelessly say which whatever she thinks will appear most salacious in her filing but her bizarre allegations will be proven false when the facts of the case come out in court oh my god jesus christ what a this is a fucking mess um they also say that it contains a fantastical array of information that is exaggerated, manipulated, or just plain fabricated. Wow. She can shamelessly say whatever she thinks will appear. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:40:12 Okay. So there's that. That year, he's an all-star still somehow. 13 points a game, 9.2 assists, 8.2 rebounds, $18,084,000. Un-fucking-believable. Wow. December 2007, kid is being sued by a model
Starting point is 02:40:29 who accused him of fucking pawing at her in a nightclub. Feeling her up. It's a 23-year-old woman who said that he repeatedly grabbed her crotch and ass in an October 10th visit to some bar in the meatpacking
Starting point is 02:40:45 district of Manhattan. The woman's lawyer said, Jason Kidd is another athlete who is out of control just because he's a famous basketball player does not give him the right to do this to any women. And a lawyer for Kidd said it's a brazen and defamatory search for a payout.
Starting point is 02:41:02 Jesus Christ, this is a lot. Single man on the prowl? Well're – Single man on the prowl. Well, that's not on the prowl. You can't grab people's crotches and asses. That's what he thinks because he's – You don't. He's above that. That's not okay.
Starting point is 02:41:15 That's what he thinks. Yeah, that's what he thinks. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. The lawyer said that he was staring at her for long periods of time and then touched her. And she said, get off me. And the bouncers threw him off, but they didn't throw him out because he's Jason Kidd. Right.
Starting point is 02:41:32 They were like, hey, Jay, take it easy, man. So after that, he's traded again. Whenever he runs his time out of some problem with a woman, they trade him. He's traded with Antoine Wright and Mal allen to dallas for a bunch of shit and keith van horn and devon harris and a bunch of people it's kind of a garbage pile it's just to get rid of roster people i think here uh the next year they get swept in the first round of the playoffs again by the hornets so he's our dallas does because now he's on dallas so that's not real good uh not excellent he's an All-Star that year, though.
Starting point is 02:42:06 Makes the All-Star team again. Oh, New Orleans, right? No, he's in Dallas this year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but they were swept by the Hornets in the playoffs. That wouldn't be, because the Hornets are the piece. New Orleans Hornets. Yeah, they were New Orleans still back then. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:42:18 They were still the Hornets. Has a good year, though. I mean, not bad. 10.8 points, 10.1 assists, 7.5 rebounds. Plays in the 2008 Olympics somehow. Yeah. This team, you want to name some people on it? In 2008?
Starting point is 02:42:33 Jeez. This is a monster team. This is the team they got everybody to play on. This is Kobe. Dwayne Wade, LeBron, Kobe, Carmelo Anthony, Dwight Howard, Chris Bosh, Chris Paul, Teron Williams, Tayshaun prince how the fuck did he end up on there carlos boozer michael red jason kidd that's a squad the worst
Starting point is 02:42:52 team is the worst player is who there was two right next to each other michael red probably yeah maybe boozer was pretty good he was all right two before him uh tayshaun prince and ron williams yeah they don't ron williams is probably the worst one tayshaun probably a great three-point shooter yeah it was okay so uh anyway they win the gold medal of course they ate you know that year obviously and crush people uh so 2008 2009 they beat the dallas beats the spurs in the first round of the playoffs loses to denver in the second round of the playoffs jason's not an all-star that year nine points 8.7 assists 6.2 rebounds but he makes are you ready for this jimmy oh jesus 21 million 372 thousand dollars holy shit jesus christ 2000 is that crazy he He's made $200 million in the NBA. Well, I got a total at the end here. Jesus.
Starting point is 02:43:47 2009, 2010, the Mavericks are bounced again in the first round by the Spurs this year again. The Spurs were so tough for a long time. But he made the All-Star team that year. Oh, that's great. So 10.3 points. What is it? 9.1 assists. He makes $8 million because he had to re-sign there.
Starting point is 02:44:02 9.1 assists. He makes $8 million because he had to re-sign there. 2010-11, this is the year when they go all the way to the finals and they're playing the Heat this year. They're asking, are you going to win one for Jason Kidd before he retires? And Dirk
Starting point is 02:44:18 Nowitzki said, I haven't really thought about it like that at all. He said, I mean, yeah, he's our point guard and I like him, but to win a championship for him? I't know yeah that just seems a little strange i'd do it for me if he was a beloved figure that was at the end of his career they'd be like let's win one for a man like he's not no one gives a shit about him they don't like him no one care and they like some team uh they talked to some team guy on a anonymity and he's like not one person has said let's win this for jason no one fucking cares about him at all um
Starting point is 02:44:51 so anyway they end up winning the title in six games jason kidd said i think the biggest thing is that i was very lucky to be in the right place at the right time there's a lot of great players who haven't won championships and i don't know uh that it really defines them as a loser i think that when you look at who's won championships that's not a lot of teams the lakers boston and san antonio i think are the only teams who have won championships in the last seven years i might be off i might be missing a team and they said yeah miami in 2006 and he went oh yeah miami that's right yeah that's right yeah um so rick carlisle the coach said jason's dna is all over this thing oh you can't say that this is a guy that just pawed at some stripper to get moved here you idiot all over this thing he i mean it's like
Starting point is 02:45:39 a bukkake session you can't go anywhere you go in there with a black light that's all you're gonna see is jason's dna gross oh he's just talking about he said you don't see some of the gaudy statistics in terms of points scored or something like that but you know he's the guy who makes the engine run basically he said he's one of the all-time greats there's no question about it and uh for jason kidd he said it's you know this validates him basically they said are you gonna be like john elway and walk away and he said nope i got too much left in the tank we're going to go until the wheels fall off i guess i feel great mentally and physically i understand i'm not as fast as i was when i was 25 but i love being out here with the young guys and playing and just being one of the small pieces to help the team win. Small pieces at $8,610,000.
Starting point is 02:46:29 Also, September 10, 2011, he marries again. Really? He marries a woman named Porshla. Okay. You know how the P-O-R-S-C-H, like Porsche? Take the E off and put an L-A instead. Portia. Portia Coleman he marries.
Starting point is 02:46:48 Yeah. Coleman. Fucking Coleman. Portia Coleman. Change your last name if your name's Portia. It should be like Davina or some shit like that. It shouldn't just be some girl from Texas named Portia. Portia.
Starting point is 02:47:04 So next season, Dallas is swept in the first round. Can only has six point two points a game. Not going well. Ten million one hundred twenty one thousand dollars. Oh, damn. July 12th, 2012 signs as a free agent with the Knicks. What? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:47:19 So with the Knicks three days later, July 15th, 2012, 2 a.m. With the Knicks, three days later, July 15, 2012, 2 a.m., he is arrested by South Hampton, Long Island Town Police and charged with misdemeanor driving while intoxicated, of course. Damn it, Jason. About 2 a.m., he struck a telephone pole a few blocks away from his house and ended up in the woods. He is a terrible drunk driver. Not a good drunk driver. Not a good drunk driver. They said single car accident, 2010 Escalade hit the pole, went into the woods in Watermill around, that's the name
Starting point is 02:47:52 of the town, about 2 a.m. and suffered minor injuries, was treated at the hospital, transferred, all that shit. And his attorney said Jason was involved in a single car accident on his way back home from a charity function last night. He suffered minor injuries on his way back home from a charity function last night. He suffered minor injuries and was treated and released from a local hospital.
Starting point is 02:48:12 He's pleaded not guilty to the DUI charge and awaits further court proceedings. So, yeah, what he was doing was he was having a good old time that night. Also, his tire was flat. Oh, because it from the crash. OK. His car was so fucked up an nypd officer said quote that's really his car i can't believe jason kidd actually survived that when i see an accident that bad i expect to see a serious at least a serious injury if not a death
Starting point is 02:48:36 holy shit it's a real bad one um usually when the cars are like that the only people that survive them james drunk yeah you know it well they asked him jason do you do any drinking tonight he said i had a few and your hands go behind your back jason the answer is a couple not a few we went over this none one a couple and a few a few means 10 11 12 a few means i lost count a couple, and a few. A few means 10, 11, 12. Yes. A few means I lost count. Yes.
Starting point is 02:49:08 That's what a few means. Two means five. Yep. One means two. Yeah. That's how it works. None means one. Probably one.
Starting point is 02:49:18 Or maybe none. Yeah. At least weed. One means I smoked weed. I'm fine. A few. A few. So he was at the Fostering a Legacy benefit.
Starting point is 02:49:32 That stopped around 9.30 a.m. At that party, George Lucas, Arsenio Hall, Paula Abdul, a bunch of basketball players, all this type of shit. 9.30 p.m., you mean? 9.30 p.m., yeah. And a.m. was later for him, but 9 9 30 p.m you mean 9 30 p.m yeah and on am was later for him but 9 30 p.m they said that uh liquor flowing freely bottles of red wine everywhere he was seen drinking all over the place um yeah they said that he uh guests were drinking malibu red cocktails with tequila and rum and they're drinking fucking wine and all sorts of shit so
Starting point is 02:50:05 um they said that uh what was it here yeah he's got to go to court he's got dui charges and uh he's pretty fucked here on those two because he's got no defense to this everyone saw him drinking definitely drinking he's in a lot of trouble i bet he would not like to be jason kidd at the moment because it's embarrassing and uh that's understandable there's a lot of other people out there who would also not like to be jason kidd and i feel bad for those people everybody including jason kidd president at hearing lab technology llc in dallas by the way poor guy jason kidd founder outcast brands premium irish spirits and blood monkey gins in ireland holy shit jason kidd senior residential assistant at center stone in wayne city illinois jason kidd student enrolled at the
Starting point is 02:50:54 university of alabama in huntsville and jason kidd section leader and trainer at trader joe's in newport news virginia poor son of a bitch so So he's terrible on the Knicks this year. Six points a game. He's not doing much. He makes $3,090,000. The Knicks actually went to the playoffs that year, shocking enough, but they lost to Indiana in the playoffs.
Starting point is 02:51:16 His career earnings, $187,675,468. Holy shit. He is second, when he retires, second all-time leader in assists. Is that right? Yep. It's John Stockton, $15,806. Jason Kidd, $12,091.
Starting point is 02:51:37 And then the closest one right now is Chris Paul, $10,977. He's not going to catch him. Not even close. He's not going to catch him. And then Steve Nash has $10,335. He's not going to catch him. Not even close. He's not going to catch him. And then Steve Nash has 10,335. Mark Jackson's right there. Magic Johnson has about 10,100. Wow.
Starting point is 02:51:51 LeBron has 10,045. Oscar Robertson, Isaiah Thomas, Gary Payton rounds that out. He's going to be second all-time for a long time. For a long time. And triple doubles, too. He is fourth all-time in triple doubles still to this day. Russell Westbrook has 194. Oscar Robertson, 181. Magic Johnson, 138. Followed by Jason Kidd, 107. And then LeBron, 105. And then after LeBron is Wilt Chamberlain. Wow. He's going to be fifth real quick here. Yep. So he's hired June 12, 2013. He's hired by the Brooklyn Nets as the head coach.
Starting point is 02:52:29 Very rare. It's only the third person since the NBA-ABA merger to debut as a head coach in the season after he retired as a player. Wow. Yeah, I know like in baseball, they like to have a five-year rule of coaching. They don't like you to coach. So he goes to DUi court pleads guilty to misdemeanor drunken driving and was placed on interim probation and uh yeah the judge asked him in the plea hearing how much he'd consumed before his arrest he said quote a couple drinks three or
Starting point is 02:52:58 four a couple is two when you say a couple mean four, which is what we just fucking said. I just said two means four. Couple, three or four. Are we counting right now? Couple is two, three or four. I say five or six. What do you say? Seven or eight. I say nine or ten. Is this how this works? We just keep going back and forth. Knee bones connected to the shin bone, and there we are. Couple, two, three, four. What? The judge said, you could have killed yourself, and you could have killed somebody else. I hope you wake up every day happy to be here. And he nodded. His lawyer said he took responsibility for that night.
Starting point is 02:53:33 Jason knows he was very, very lucky that night. He was very lucky no one was hurt. So there you go. He has to do community service. His plea, it's going to reduce it to a violation of driving while ability impaired and uh basically if he doesn't fuck up he'll be fine you sir may fuck off nothing get back to life yeah yeah that's all there is to it so um mothers against drunk driving are upset they say that um basically that you know they didn't they didn't prosecute him to the full extent of the law
Starting point is 02:54:03 because he's Jason Kidd. He starts his NBA coaching career suspended for two games, so that's not great. September 2013, he buys a minority ownership stake in the Brooklyn Nets from Jay-Z. He buys a piece of Jay-Z's. October 17, 2013, the Nets retire his jersey. Number five jersey gets retired there. Not bad. He's doing great. And then November 28, he's fined $50,000 by the league.
Starting point is 02:54:34 This is the dumbest thing ever. He had soda in his hand, and they had no more timeouts, and they were trying to stop the clock. So he told Tyshawn Taylor to bump into him intentionally so he could spill the soda on the court, and they were trying to stop the clock so he told taishan taishan taylor to bump into him intentionally so he could spill the soda on the court and they'd have to stop and he could call another play which did he think that no one else in history has ever thought of that before he's just a genius also does he or is that just bush league does he think that cameras are not watching his every fucking move because he's the coach it Either way, it's just Bush, man.
Starting point is 02:55:07 They have a 44 and 38, not bad. June 30 of 2014, he's traded by the Nets. As a coach? He traded their coach, yep. Traded to the Bucs for a 2015 second-round draft pick and a 2019 second-round draft pick. You can do that? You can trade coaches, absolutely. And he did um so there
Starting point is 02:55:27 you go um he's gonna coach he's fired by milwaukee in 2018 yeah so he coaches there a few years he gets four seasons in there uh he's fired he ends up going as an assistant coach for the lakers and winning a championship there in 2020 and then he's hired by dallas and uh 21 22 this past season was his first season as dallas's head coach and he did a pretty goddamn good job they went to the they got style you know they ran into a juggernaut there's nothing you can do with that right uh 2018 he is inducted into the basketball hall of fame and that's not surprised it's that's for all levels too high school college pro he's great at every level he belongs there uh 2019 like i said he's hired there uh 2021 he is named to the nba 75th anniversary
Starting point is 02:56:15 team no kidding so there's that yeah and then he's hired like we said with the mavericks now august 11 2021 here is his son tj on twitter okay or i'm sorry this is instagram my biggest hope for this post is that someone going through something similar can get a better sense of how valuable they are and stop looking for affirmation from someone who is not equipped to give it to you even if that person is your parent the most annoying questions i get every time someone quote recognizes me. How's your dad doing? What's he up to?
Starting point is 02:56:47 So I'm just going to simplify it for everyone. Cause I'm tired of carrying this massive burden. All caps. I don't know. I don't speak to him. We don't have a relationship at all anymore. I tried incredibly hard to make our relationship work, but when he and my mom got divorced,
Starting point is 02:57:03 he pretty much divorced us too. My parents got divorced in 2008. It was, as most divorced kids could tell you, horrible. It sucked twice as much because of who my parents were. It sucks when you have a dad in the news for a bunch of bad and horrible reasons. Usually never anything positive or good. I think that he constantly surrounds himself with people who enable him and tell him what he wants to hear instead of what he needs to hear. I think that he constantly surrounds himself with people who enable him and tell him what he wants to hear instead of what
Starting point is 02:57:26 he needs to hear. I'm sure. Yeah. He's only doing damage to himself. Being in a toxic relationship of any kind will do damage to you mentally, and it did for me for a long time. I wanted my dad to be proud of me, to actually give a crap. I lied to myself
Starting point is 02:57:42 so much. I kept wanting to believe that he was a good person and a good dad. I wanted to myself so much. I kept wanting to believe that he was a good person and a good dad. I wanted to be like him until I realized I didn't. He is a hell of a point guard, period. If you follow me because you rock with me, thank you, and I appreciate you. But if you're a fan of his and follow me because you're a fan of his, unfollow me. He said, this happens a lot. So today I have the time. So to to answer this question for those of you who have had any doubt whatsoever um he is i i as he the little kid y'all made fun of for having the big head and mustache at five at all those nba games poor kid yeah i saw it never understood it i think
Starting point is 02:58:19 it's hilarious now at the time though you don't when you're a kid i'm well yeah i'm well aware of my father's many basketball accomplishments shoes trading cards and whatever else you feel the need to tag me in yeah that's got to be annoying i'd appreciate it greatly if you all would stop tagging me and stuff that has nothing that has to do with him he's on ig now so tag him i honestly don't mind talking basketball or whatever at all but stupid crap like this will no longer be tolerated by this page. You can refer to a previous post of mine if you're looking for an explanation, which isn't owed at all. But for some reason, I have to keep repeating myself. I'd like to be remembered for more than just a prop to being just a prop to someone who saw me as nothing more than that.
Starting point is 02:59:00 A prop. That's what it really feels like to. Unfortunately, I do. I do something remarkable outside of who I'm related to working on that. Oh, until I do something remarkable outside of who I'm related to. I unfortunately have to carry this label with me until then. So I think I can be sick and tired of being sick and tired as I see fit. It took me a long time to figure out that I don't have to live up to anyone's expectations for me. What anyone else thinks of you is irrelevant.
Starting point is 02:59:26 Prioritize your mental and physical health. Treat people like you would like to be treated. Treat people with kindness and expect nothing in return. And he goes on. Yeah. So basically just says, you know, a bunch of inspirational shit in a row for like two paragraphs. But bottom line is, fuck my dad. He didn't talk to me.
Starting point is 02:59:43 He stopped talking to me when my fucking parents got divorced when i was nine so that's pretty gross can't get enough of jason kid watch a mavericks game because he's coaching for them so there you go or some old highlights or some shit but don't marry him that's one thing so there everybody is jason kid um sorry no it's a long one but he's got a 19-year basketball career. It's kind of difficult to cram that into a fucking two-hour thing here. So there you go. Jason Kidd, an asshole.
Starting point is 03:00:13 Nobody likes him. A very wealthy one. Oh, extremely. Yeah, he's got to have a ton of money. I hope he has a ton of money if he made all that fucking money. So either way, there you go. Give all of it to Joanna. Who knows?
Starting point is 03:00:23 Who knows? And what about Portia? We don't know what's going on there so uh either way if you enjoy that tell the world about it get on whatever app you're listening on whatever platform give us five stars say something it doesn't matter what you say yeah say anything yeah tell us what your least favorite city is that's always fun i like to know where people hate just to tell our least your least favorite city and five stars. It'd be wonderful. And then we can see who hates where they live.
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Starting point is 03:01:06 Enough merch to choke an elephant. And then on top of that, get your tickets to live shows. Holy shit, are they fun. Not to toot our own horns, we're comics. A lot of people, I'll hear people go, I've been to a couple live podcast shows. And I don't know, they're just kind of lame or whatever. I'm like, it's because those aren't comedians. They shouldn't be doing what they're doing they shouldn't what they did is a
Starting point is 03:01:27 lecture that's not a show they went and went we talk about a murder or whatever talk about this or talk about whatever the podcast is about we're comedians so we do the story it's a crazy story we have pictures that are comedic and informative we could sit there just read the story show you the pictures and you go wow that was a great comedy show right and then we make a million jokes too it's not even fair we will fuck your shit up with laughter so get your tickets right now and if something we are at if something's awkward in the room we will meant we will there's plenty of room for we know how to deal with it because we're comics we'll acknowledge that this is fucking weird. We'll do that. So anyway, where was I? Where are those?
Starting point is 03:02:06 Give him my pitch. We are at August the August the 12th. We are in San Francisco. Cobbs Comedy Theater there. Two shows that night and they will be different shows. They're both small town murder. Different cases, different shows. So you can come see both if you want.
Starting point is 03:02:23 Next night in Sacramento, the Smalltown Murder sold out, but the Crime and Sports still has tickets. Get your tickets. It's almost done, so sell it out. Let's go. If you want to go, get your tickets now. Let's do this, and we'll see you there. And also September 10th at the Pabst in Milwaukee.
Starting point is 03:02:39 Get your tickets. That'll be our biggest show ever. Show Chicago and Minneapolis who's boss milwaukee no more inferiority complex god damn it so there you go do all of that and come see us at a live show patreon.com slash crime and sports is where you get all of the wonderful bonus stuff and damn it our bonus stuff is good too so it's excellent you're gonna get tons of it you're gonna get every other week you're gonna get two new episodes of Crime and Sports and a Small Town Murder. And you're going to get access to everything for $5 or above.
Starting point is 03:03:10 And we are consistent. We put that stuff out, and it's good shit. This week, what you're going to get for Crime and Sports, you are going to get John Rocker, which is amazing. We're going to talk about John Rocker a complete asshole relief picture that again very hard to like very very very difficult to like you're going to talk about him and then for small town murder one of the most requested cases ever someone who's such a huge asshole he's murdered in town in front of tons of witnesses and they're not like i said it's not a gambino family barbecue it's not like a bunch of mob guys going, I don't know what happened to him.
Starting point is 03:03:47 These are like upstanding town folks and church people and the guy who runs the store down the street. And they're like, I didn't see nothing because he's such an asshole. So that's an amazing story. Check that out. Patreon.com slash crime and sports. And you will get a shout out at the end of the show. As a matter of fact, it's right now. And also, you get that if you donate to PayPal as well using our email address,
Starting point is 03:04:10 CrimeandSports at gmail.com. God damn it, Jimmy, hit me with the list. This week's executive producers are Pure Romance by Krista Jolly, Jordan Bennett, Melissa Plummer, James Atkinson, and Matt Rogers. Thank you guys for everything. You're incredible. Our other producers this week are Matt Villanueva. He drove all the way from South Carolina to Atlanta last week to see us.
Starting point is 03:04:33 That was incredible. Thank you, Matt. Thank you so much. Great. Jennifer Inglis doesn't know Anne-Marie Metzler, but she saw on Facebook that she's listening while getting chemo and wants her to know that she sees her. Keep up the good fight, Anne-Marie. You're doing a great thing.
Starting point is 03:04:49 Keep going. Keep it up. Other producers continued are Marissa Oman-Hughes, Amanda Hopp, I think. Happy Hour checking in in Biloxi. Liv Seidel and Tula. Joey Pepperoni nips sticking around. Thank you, Joey. There he is.
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Starting point is 03:11:23 Seriously. Unbelievable. Thank you for what you do for us. Thank you for supporting the show. And we only hope that our undying gratitude, just we're so. Gratitude. Yes. Thank you so much.
Starting point is 03:11:34 It's more. I went to say gratitude. I'm like, it's more than gratitude. Gratitude is like if someone hands you something, you're thank you. You know what I mean? But anyway, you want to follow us on social media. Go ahead and do it. Follow us. Shut up and give me murder dot com. All the links are want to follow us on social media? Go ahead and do it. Follow us.
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