Crime in Sports - #321 - The Real Murdering McCoy - The Realness of Charles "Kid" McCoy AKA Norman Selby

Episode Date: September 20, 2022

This week, we go back to a much different time, with a man who had his first boxing match in 1891, after learning to fight against "hobos" in train cars at age 13! He wasn't some boring, old timey guy, though. He was a scammer, and a flamboyant fighter, who did many things for the first time. He invented "your shoes are untied", then knocking someone out, when they looked down. He employed thumbtacks. He was a part of fixed fights. He did it all. Including appearing in many silent films, and even teaching Charlie Chaplin to box. All of this leads to a terrible murder, of course. A murder that sends him to prison, where he does more interesting things! A wild trip down a black & white lane!!Run away from home at 13, become the first showboat of boxing, and try to convince the police that the woman you're having an affair with actually stabbed & shot herself with Charles "Kid" McCoy!!Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!  Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail]  Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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No? He is famous as charles kid mccoy that's his name no you know some stuff about him that you don't even know you know that's the funny part yeah it's one of those guys you're like oh that's that guy okay that's where that came from he's also known as the corkscrew kid oh because he doesn't have a duck dick. Don't worry. That's not what it is. It is that he invented a punching style, quote, invented, I should say. I'm sure people are doing it, but he brought it into boxing, a punching style that everybody on earth does now.

Oh, it's the twist. As you're jabbing, you twist your fist and corkscrew. Nobody did that before. How did he not think of the mctwist how did he not patent that the mctwist mike mcgill is very lucky he didn't mike mcgill's like thank god otherwise he would have had to call his trick the corkscrew it would have been the corkscrew kid it would have been a totally different thing career for him i feel like wouldn't have worked as well all those kids how did he not get that early 90s the corkscrew kid

well he didn't nickname himself. Well, he nicknamed himself Kid, though. We'll talk about it. He's born. I think this might be our earliest. There's someone that was in the ballpark. But October 13th, either 1872 or 1873. We're not sure.

Fantastic. A lot of places say 1873, but then there's proof of 1872 as well. We don't know. Who gives a shit? It doesn't matter. He would be 150 years old today. So literally, he's a- Or 149.

Yeah. Or we don't know. So it doesn't matter. Unbelievable. He's born in Moscow, Indiana. Oh. Yeah, there's a Moscow in Indiana. I didn't know if you knew that.

Is there? Well, I mean, there's a Paris, Texas, so I i didn't know if you knew that well i mean there's a paris texas so i guess anything's possible right isn't there a there's a moscow somewhere i don't know i don't really he's got a moscow yeah there's a lot of them yeah it's just a it's that's they ran out of shit to name things back in the day let's just name it after other cities okay i don't think they ran out of shit to name it after that or just they didn't run out of different names they just ran out of ideas to name it after that. Or just, they didn't run out of different names. They just ran out of ideas. That's all.

It's just, creativity is exhausting. We can't name any more shit after George Washington. We're getting, shit's getting old. So, now, they grew up out there. This is a rural farming area. And then his family moved to Indianapolis when he was a small child. His dad was an Episcopal minister. Yeah. Yeah, very strict household. Really? Yeah, very, yeah. He was a small child. His dad was an Episcopal minister. Yeah.

Yeah, very strict household. Yeah, he was a minister. I mean, it's very straight-laced. He's got four brothers and sisters, three sisters and a brother. He's the second to youngest. He's got Georgia, Alice, and Grace are his sisters, and his brother's name is Homer.

Okay. So Homer Selby there. Grace, his sister Grace, was married to Charles Thomas Henshaw, who I guess was somebody, a rich guy. He was a rich man. Henshaw sounds familiar. And their daughter turned out to be an actress named Barbara Jo Allen, who worked a lot in Hollywood for years and years and years. She died in 1974, but she worked for the beginning of television and movies she was a lot of shit so yeah so that's interesting now norman he is at this age little normie little normie runs away

at 13 yeah this we're talking it's it's 1885 or six. We don't know. So either way, this is like Deadwood time. Think of this is like Wyatt Earp times. Tombstone took place in what? 1881, I believe. I think that's true. Maybe earlier. Well, 1879.

It was all around. You might be right because Earp died in the fucking 1900s. 1920s. Yeah. 1930s, I think he died in or some shit. I think it was further than that era. You might be right, because Irv died in the fucking 1900s. 1920s. Late in them. Yeah. 1930s, I think he died in or some shit. I think it was further than that. Maybe. I don't know. Tom Mix was a movie star, and he knew him.

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, but I don't know when he... I want to say he died in like 1935, but I honestly don't know. But he goes... This is old west times. I mean, this is a time where you ran away from home. You'd hop on a freighter. That's what people did.

And you'd go to some other city and you'd, you know, I don't know, sell newspapers if you're 13. Kids would join the circus back then. I mean, this is the times when this fucking started. This is very odd shit. Well, he ran away and just began to ride the freight trains. He's a little hobo. That's what he was. 13-year-old on fucking boxcars.

On boxcars. A little boxcar Norman here. He, legend has it that he developed his fighting skills, quote, beating up hobos on the rails. That's what they said. Generally, a hobo's drunk, so that's not really a fighting chance. Well, if you're 13, though, and some adult hobo's coming at you. A drunk adult fighting a 13-year-old, I don't know who I'd give the edge to. It's about even. It depends on who the adult and who the kid is. Right. The thing about him also is he's not an imposing looking guy he ends up at his height he's five foot ten

and he's always thought of as like a sick people call him sickly all the time they say he doesn't look like a fighter that's not that's not no it's not a good description for your heavyweight boxer or any box he starts out as like a middleweight but eventually he'll move up to heavyweight boxer or any box he starts out as like a middleweight but eventually he'll move up to heavyweight and he's like the smallest guy and he's beating the shit out of people who are 240 pounds it's the weirdest thing a sickly heavyweight but he's like he did it on purpose though that's what he did he do it on purpose because he wanted the opponents to underestimate him as we'll talk about he he did all these tricks like there's a lot of tricks that you do like as a kid on this in the schoolyard to fuck with your friends that he and he made popular did them in the ring like real for real

like it's you know hey look over there it's elvis and then you punch the guy he did shit like that for real and back then people they were like where where is he and then they get punched in the face because they didn't know it was a trick yet because he meant he pants in somebody he would tell them their trunks are falling down they'd look down and he'd fucking wail him shit like that because back then you'd believe somebody oh thank you your dick's out thank you good sir you're going to pull your trunks up you drop your hands and he fucking wails you one and that's legal i mean it's it's shitty but it's he didn't care yeah we'll talk we'll talk about it later one time he put makeup on to make himself look sickly so his opponent would underestimate him.

Told him he was dying. It's crazy. He's so full of shit, this guy. It's amazing. He's like the Mickey Dora of boxing, if you remember the Mickey Dora episode from back in the day. He's the Mickey Dora of boxing. He's a fraud of a champion. He dresses.

He never defends belts either. He'll win in a weight class. He'll win the title, and then he'll just move up a weight class. He never defends his title. Oh'll win in a weight class. He'll win the title, and then he'll just move up a weight class. He never defends his title. Oh, shit. It's so weird. And half of his fights are fixed, I believe, as well as we'll get into, which back then, why wouldn't you fix it?

There's no way to prove it. There's no tape of it. Why wouldn't you fix it? You'd be dumb not to. Right. What if it's a bad fight? Then they won't come back. Let's make it a good fight.

You know what I mean? Same scenario as wrestling. Sure. He ends up at 18 he decides he wants to box so it's either 1890 or 1891 we're not sure he starts boxing um he changes his name to charles mccoy now that's for boxing this is like a stage name and he'll do a bunch of acting in silent films later on so oh he oh, he knows Charlie Chaplin. He's buddy. Yeah, this guy.

I'm telling you, this guy is in so much shit that's wild that we don't know about him more. He said that he acquired the name Charles McCoy from a number, a quote unquote, in a show like a play play a musical number featuring the exploits of safe crackers kid mccoy and spike hennessey those are the characters names so he was charles kid mccoy he called himself um there's other there's other different legends of it as well the other one is that somewhere between 14 15 16 years old he and two other boys ran away by they were on a train. They were all runaways. They're on a train going to Cincinnati and police officers saw them at the Cincinnati station because their fathers had reported the missing the other two boys and told him who he was with. And they said, are you Norman Selby?

And he said, I'm Charlie McCoy. And they said, are you Norman Selby? And he said, I'm Charlie McCoy. And he said the night later on, he said the night before he had seen a sign McCoy station through the train window. And it just stuck in his head. And that's what popped out. He did like a Kaiser Sosa. Charlie. Yeah.

McCoy. He just did a Kaiser Sosa. It was just on the wall. He was like, McCoy, Charlie. So he starts boxing. He's trained by a guy named jack rush is his name um and jack rush was apparently a real famous guy in the sports boxing world here um he used to um and i guess so he mccoy looked up to him here young kid moy. And he was he's like a street urchin. He's got no fucking money. He's a runaway.

He's a 13 year old runaway. So by the time he's 17, he's scraggly. A little street trash. Yeah. So he would follow this guy around, Jack Rush, and just, you know, ask him to fucking. He just looked up to him like, hey, help me out. Do something for me here. And he just looked up to him like, hey, help me out. Do something for me here. You know what I mean? Because I guess this guy would visit with all. Boxers would come talk to him and visit him.

So it's a cool thing for a kid to hang around and see famous people and shit like that. And he's got information that you want. Yeah. Now, later on, people will say of Kid McCoy, quote, No one could understand how a slender built lad like mccoy could bowl over the giants it's he just he beat the shit out of people much bigger than him he's just fascinating then again they probably weren't fighting boxcar hobos when they were 13 that's it's a difference i mean that hardens you um they said here's from a newspaper in like 1903 quote the son of an episcopal minister norman selby

for that is kid mccoy's real name in his street clothes looked anything but a prize fighter and in fighting togs in the ring didn't look much better so there you go um and and didn't look much better look much better so his first fight is in 1891 in june of 1891 and we'll talk about how close his first and second fights are together uh but it's so he's either 18 or 19 we're not sure here he says his first fight was for five or ten dollars he's not sure wow so that's what he made now this was against there's he has a see, his record you can't take. We're not even going to keep track of his record. At the end, I'll give you kind of the ballpark of it because there is such disparaging numbers on either side.

Some people say he fought 100 fights. Some say it was 110. Some say it was 115 because some were sanctions, some weren't. Some were farces. And we'll never know because we don't know shit. And there's no footage of them. They happened in 1895. Like, there's no way to tell.

So they said the first one on record is against Pete Jenkins in St. Paul, Minnesota in 1891. He said that I guess McCoy was stopping in St. Paul to wash dishes there. That's how he ended up in St. Paul. He stopped on his rail deal to make a little money washing some dishes. He joined the Baptist Church, not because he was religious, because you had to be a member of the Baptist Church to join the YMCA in town. And the YMCA had the only sports facilities. So they had the only gymnasium in town so he just joined the church

to do that and his first fight is against a guy named Peter Jenkins who was also debuting and we'll go through the fights very quickly because none of this shit matters trust me also a member of the church also I'm sure Peter Jenkins had to be a member of the church his first five fights are against people

making their boxing debuts. So we'll do them kind of five at a time and debut here. This fight goes four rounds, and he wins on points. It's an exhibition, you know, four-rounder here. So four days later, on June 6th, 18th. Oh, no, I'm sorry. A year goes by. He doesn't box for another year.

I'm sorry. Oh, that's great. In stays put I know this is in Indianapolis he's gonna box I guess he fought that fight and then trained seriously for a year I guess he just stopped off because he got kind of boxing on a whim and then he went and trained with Jack Rush seriously got after that so he uh ends up the next year in June 6th 1892 fights Billy Bar, who's making his debut. It goes all six rounds and he wins.

He wins on points. Next, he fights Bob Lewis, who's making his debut. None of these guys have nicknames either. No. So it's just a lot of these guys finish their career 0-1, 0-2, shit like that. These are not guys who stuck around. That's why I feel like nowadays when they have a fighter they think is half decent they set him up against a bunch of tomato cans to get his record good yeah imagine what they did back then when there was no like

really no oversight of it there's like you know the newspaper that's it there's not a bunch of like you know there's no internet picking it apart there's no footage of these fights going well that guy obviously doesn't belong in the ring with him. That's a farce. That doesn't exist. And that also, back then probably, before they realized this was going to fucking kill somebody, they probably were like, well, if he's any good, he should fight somebody that's good. Yeah, they did that too.

But yeah, back then I think a lot of these were either fixed or set up against so you know the guy's going to win type of thing. So he knocks Bob Lewis out in the first round. Wow. Next up, Herbert Hale. Okay. Billy Barlow, Herbert Hale. Only alliterative opponents I'll take. I'm not taking on any others.

I need the names to sound great together. I want them to sound cool. Yeah. So Herbert the Hailstorm, I'm calling him here. This is in Columbus. Don't know what state. Columbus. Columbus something. This goes all eight rounds. Wow. tailstorm i'm calling him here this is in columbus don't know what state columbus columbus something

this goes all eight rounds wow and it's a draw on points so he's like three oh and one at this point sort of then he fights jim dixon in january of 1893 in hot springs maybe arkansas i don't know probably um knocks him out in the fifth round so he's like four oh and one he would tell everyone he doesn't train that's what i mean part of his approach was look at me i don't even i'm not even strong i don't i don't even try and i don't even train like you could beat me up really easily that's part of his approach he treated boxing like like hipsters used to treat comedy yeah like i'm not trying i'm just trying just up here i'm just telling stories like i don't even have jokes who i am i didn't even write this this is just what i did at taco bell last night like yeah that didn't work

my sweater is more more interesting than i am isn't my sweater nice anyway it's 112 outside sir yeah oh that used to drive me nuts it It's a buck 12. You got a sweater on talking about fucking nothing. You got a sweater. Your mom made you and you're making jokes about it. That's all you got. That's what you got. This is I got my sweater chunk. This is what I got.

Then I go into my sweater chunk. Oh, my God. So he would claim not to train. And you would think after a few fights, people will get the ruse and be like, he looks like shit, but watch out for him type of thing. But nobody ever did because back then, pictures were expensive. There wasn't a lot of pictures of guys. They didn't know. They didn't see him.

They didn't watch the tapes on him. And it took a while to develop. Yeah. Yeah. And things took a long while to come around. But in reality, he would hide out on a farm outside of Saratoga, New York, and train his ass off. But he wouldn't do it where anybody else would do it. So he could say, I don't really train.

And then apparently he would train a lot. Here's a newspaper article here. I'll just read this. His trainers are men who follow instructions and do not advise. Oh. This is how Kidd is, man. This is when he's 20. This is so weird.

He just tells them, do this, make me do this, and they do it? He just says, yeah, you just count what the fuck, count what I tell you to count. I know what I need to do to get ready, basically. He said Charles Kidd McCoy known knows what's best for him. And he knows better than any other man on Earth and further has sufficient self-control to do the things he knows he should do without having some. I can't tell what that is. Some something to bolster him up or keep him in check. The routine is simple at 10 o'clock in the company with

one man, generally Doc Fine, he starts for Long Branch. He is clothed in heavy underclothing, trousers, sweater, jacket and cap. His shoes are heavy and roomy. Starting out at a good run, not a jog, he covers

the distances to Long Branch and back in a little less than two hours in a good it is 10 good weary and of late muddy miles but the time seldom varies returning he's rubbed down takes a shower and is dried off he then dresses leisurely and an hour later has dinner the food is plain but exceedingly well cooked and wholesome. Okay. And something does it full justice. I don't know what that is. Oh, McCoy does it full justice.

I guess he eats all of it. He eats the whole thing. Nothing more is done until 830 when he goes into the gymnasium and gets into the ring costume and shoes and starts at the bag. This he punches steadily with either hand and in every position possible until a profane until in a profuse perspiration then comes a rest and then he starts at the heavy bag after a time at this he takes dumbbells and works for 15 minutes at footwork and general dumbbell exercises then comes a salt water shower and a rub down the afternoon work is about as uh about an even hour so he's working all day at this he's yeah that's what you do so he basically though that is that's his routine that he invented i don't know if other guys were doing that or not but that's

pretty much what guys do now to train you sure if you mix in sparring into that right like he gets up and does road work in heavy clothes. You ever watch Rocky? What does Rocky do? Heavy clothes and big shoes. Running in the fucking streets. Yeah, in his work boots. Making it hard, causing a sweat.

I mean, that's very interesting. That's very modern of him. So that and the punch style, he was kind of a modern guy, which is weird. Next up, he fights Jim Connors, who's also a debuting guy here. Knocks him out in three rounds. Next up, this is two weeks later in February of 1893, he fights Unknown. Somebody. They don't know who it is.

There's a body in the ring. It's 130 years ago. I guess we'll give him a pass on not on boxer wreck not knowing um apparently uh this is in milan italy though so oh he goes all the way over there knocks him out in two rounds though so there you go yeah some guinea he knocked out i don't know some fucking grease ball can i put that in the papers? No? All right, never mind. So Frank LaMode, he fights 10 days later on February 22, 1893, a debuting Frank LaMode in New Orleans. He knocks him out in three rounds. It's the guy that invented putting ice cream next to a car.

He did. He did. Allah that guy. His actual name is Frank Al LaMode. He goes by Al. Frank's his actual his name is frank al lamode he goes by al frank's only his boxing name and it's he opened up a small diner when he was done boxing their specialty was pie and ice cream knock the ice cream out of him it was called alamodes that's what it was it's not alamode it's alamodes people just fucked it up over time it got confused there's a lot of there's a lot of inventors in this story a lot of people really well when you think about a lot of shit was invented back then i mean this is sure what electric people are getting electricity and plumbing in their houses their world was taking shape it was well when you

don't have to think about, oh boy, I need to walk into the backyard and hope there's no wolves while I shit. You can concentrate on inventing things then. Your mind is free to think about how to better shit and come up with medicines and technology. It's fucking crazy.

So, Lamode, he beats three rounds here next up frank murray he's on the frank oh beating up guys named frank tor in uh may of 19 of 1893 it's weird saying 18 anything in the show so bizarre this is another debut he's fought nobody who has any fighting experience besides him so far yeah all debuting guys like his first 10 fights uh knocks this guy out in two rounds okay next up july of 1893 july 6th he fights charles bull mccarthy oh we got a nickname bull now keep in mind he's fighting at 130 pounds right now yeah he'll later be a heavyweight jesus flight mayweather was boxing at 130 pounds back in the day imagine if floyd was like i'm stepping up to heavyweight like imagine fighting tyson fiori like six years

ago he's like i want to fly i want to fight fight klitschko i just want to i don't know why i just like people would have said are you out of your fucking mind you crazy son of a bitch explode you yeah he's gonna kill you you can't hurt him you can you can try your best to block those those are coming in i mean if you wanted to i'm sure floyd could run and never get hit in the whole fight probably but he wouldn't he wouldn't hit him either that's the thing oh right nobody's six five two twenty's catching floyd around that ring if he doesn't want him to he'll just duck and bob and weave and fucking i don't know he's cover those cinder blocks are coming fast and furious yeah and by the time they get there floods on the other side of the ring you can't hit that fucking guy but i don't think i don't think floyd could do it today

no no no no it's bad either of them no it's fucking bad i think both the why did i just eat their name i don't know you just swallowed their you had some goulash in your mouth and you ate that they've got a thick name their name? I don't know. They just swallowed their name. You had some goulash in your mouth and you ate that. They've got a thick name. Their name's as thick as their fucking head. You had 10 rubles worth of goulash in your mouth, I think, was the problem. So he fights Bull McCarthy, who's 6'5 and 1". He actually has some fights.

This is at the Athletic Ballpark in Muncie. Okay. By the way way reading all these reading like articles in the newspaper back then i loved seeing like the baseball stuff because the teams did like three teams had names that are the same now it was all you know they call them the new york top siders at one point i'm like the top siders who the fuck is that i know they call them the highlanders for a while but the top siders that i didn't know about is that? I know they call them the Highlanders for a while, but the Topsiders? That I didn't know about. Is that the same team?

Yeah, I think it's the same team. I think that's the Yankee franchise because it would make sense if they played in the Bronx. It would be the top of the city. So, the Topsiders would probably be that. That's why they're the Highlanders because the Bronx is north of Manhattan. So, I would imagine. So, anyway, he knocks out Bull in three rounds. So, the kid's making a run for himself

here next up in July 23rd 1893 he fights Ike Boone who sounds like he just got back from the old west he was like a trapper a man that wears leather these are tough people by the way oh god the people who boxed back then

this isn't like now the gloves aren't these are barely gloves some of these fights there are no gloves by the way in some of these fights so it's fucking crazy these guys are beating the shit out of each other the ref isn't stopping it if somebody's woozy none of that shit goes on there's no showmanship from the fighters it was walk out there and punch people were still fighting in like the old put up your dukes Irish style. Yeah. Literally where they put their hands straight up in front of them.

And that's some people were still fighting like that. Where they roll the fists together. Yeah. Whereas this guy comes in with a modern the corkscrew deal and it's a modern punch. And it's so it's he's he's a different kind of guy. He's a fighter not a pugilist. Exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. He said everybody calls him for all of his. He's always called the clever fighter. says the clever kid mccoy he tricks people he's like bugs bunny is what he is he fights like where do you hear his tricks he fights like at one point there's thumbtacks involved i shit you not not in his gloves either because people have done that uh ike boone uh this is in daleville maybe alabama because i know we did an episode of in a small town murder in daleville alabama okay this is um apparently the fight the referee stops the fight after 19 rounds jesus christ it's a 25 round fight the ref stop oh no it's a finish fight no rounds this is a fight to the finish what fight it it's a finish fight. No rounds. This is a fight to the finish. A what fight? It's called a finish fight back then.

That means they- Fight till somebody dies. Fight till someone wins or dies. Either way, it doesn't matter. Holy shit. But it's a fight to the finish is what it was. No rounds. There's rounds, but they never end.

They just go on forever. The referee finally stopped the bout after 19 rounds and declared it a draw. That means they just couldn't come out. Nobody could fucking do anything. They had no more gas to throw another punch. No, 19 rounds? Jesus Christ. I can't imagine.

So the crazy part is he fights a week later. He's not even rested yet. Seven days after fighting 19 rounds, he's like, I'm good for another match. What is that? He went to sleep after that fight, then he woke up and was like let's fight now let's fight again you just had to have slept for an entire week how crazy is that dude that's too fast he fights dick harris who's debuting it feels like a tomato can though because he knocks him out and around so the wait is over so far you're not losing the only thing you're losing is my patience quickly i see that the queen of the courtroom is back i didn't

do anything you wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face i see he's not intimidated by anything i can fix that new cases She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone. Okay so um. This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes your honor. You married his cousin. His brother. That's not him. Yes ma'am. I would make a beeline for the door. That's not him. Yes, ma'am. I would make a beeline for the door. The Emmy Award-winning series returns.

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events company, Ticketmaster. Hi, I'm David Brown, the host of Wondery Show Business Wars. We go deep into some of the biggest corporate rivalries of all time. And in our latest season, Taylor Swift will shake up not only the music business, but Hollywood and the NFL. Follow Business Wars wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. I think he was a nobody. So then two weeks later, he's fighting again. August 15, 1893.

He fights Frank Merritt and knocks him out at Parnell Hall in Indianapolis in two rounds as well. Were 85% of the men named Frank back then? Frank, Dick, George. You you're gonna find a lot of those jim oh yeah frank dick george jim billy because there's a ton of williams back then too so you're gonna find a lot of but they're all the same fucking name though the next few guys are george

john pat jim billy jim what the fuck and then there's also another one that i i won't tell you about because it's hilarious. Okay. So Dickie Harris, he beat up one round. He beat Frank Merritt in two rounds. Next up, George Bennett on September 26, 1893. He's debuting as well. This is in Akron, Ohio.

The referee was forced to stop the bout after eight rounds and declare it a draw. I don't know why they were forced to stop the bout after eight rounds and declare it a draw. I don't know why they were forced to stop it. There's no, I can't tell, but McCoy, they said, had the advantage in the match. He was ahead, but the ref called it a draw. Yeah, but if a ref stops a fight and a man's up in the points, that's your winner, isn't it? Why would they do that? The ref declared it a draw. So that also might be the ref got paid by people to say to call it a

draw because that's how the gambling was they didn't like how the odds were split so they'd rather take a draw in return so they gotta make it push see what i'm saying so that back then most of the shit was based on gambling criminals bullshit fixing everything was a scam everything was a scam all the drugs were a scam everything was a scam back then it was just this is the time of scams people were so excited about new shit that they're being scammed kind of like now it's seriously a lot like now yeah it is like they're so excited they're like i'm gonna put everything i have take it out of my 401k or wherever i have and i'm gonna put it in crypto and it's that's the equivalent of what's going on then back to now

that's good right i should put all my money in there. All my friends are talking about Bitcoin, so I got to do that. Not that 401k or whatever is any better and I don't know anything about money. I'm just saying it seems like- You get the point. I do know there needs to be a limit to something. Otherwise, it's not worth anything usually unless it's backed by- There's a long story there.

Anyway, so- Don't lecture me about fucking the gold standard. Nope. I'm not going gonna do any of that nope fuck all of you yep fuck yeah nobody nobody tweet that shit at us we're not taking that shit you will get a fuck you in a block on that i'm not even taking it scream at you you think i know anything about this yeah jimmy will and even if you think he's nice somebody by the way i found this hilarious i laughed for like 15 minutes. Somebody tweeted something.

Oh, they like us or whatever. And someone said, Wisman is the nice one. And I laughed so hard. Because I'm like, you really believe that, don't you? You really believe that, don't you? I'm like, I hope you're never in an interrogation room. Because you're going to think Good Cop is really, he really wants what's best for me, Good Cop. No, the other guy's a jerk, is really he really wants what's best for me good cop no the other guy's a jerk but good cop really wants what's best for me nope here's what happens yeah no we're we're equally vicious i assure you that we're terrible

people it's just on the show my role is to kind of be the heel and jimmy can you know that's fine that's how we that's how we play it that's how you do things can't both be the same but we're both equally terrible people that's true yeah and if you say anything bad about either one of us then we both hate you we're not the vitriol that shit is doubled yeah if somebody says to me i love you so much you're great i think you're the smartest funniest person in the world i can't stand jimmy though blah blah i hate you i don't take that as a compliment i go you just insulted my best friend go fuck yourself oh you're right uh we're best friends now not the guy that i do this with and fought in the trenches and drove 15 hours to go to fucking festivals with and shit not that guy me and you are tight now as a be pals. Would you like to be on the podcast?

We should go into business together. We're best friends. And that's anybody. It's not an insult to people out there. You think that way about your friend. If a stranger says shit about your friend, you're like, fuck you. That's funny. I'm not coming to your kid's birthday, goddammit.

Stop it. Oh, my God. Okay, back to boxing. Yes. October 13th, 1893, John Welch, which sounds like everybody's name is John Welch back then. Everybody knows one. He's 0-3-1, this guy. It's not going well for his career.

No. This is in Wheeling, virginia um apparently it's a nine round knockout for kid mccoy here knocks out john welch next up on october 22nd he fights a man named deaf mute what his name is deaf mute like like tape boy first name deaf last name mute that's not good i don't know why his name is deaf mute i assume he's a deaf mute but at that point you could be called billy yeah you could be called william you could be called any of these jim you don't need to be called deaf mute but also this isn't a boxing match anymore this is just bullying yeah you can't fight a deaf mute guy honestly i don't know what speaking or hearing

would really help you in boxing. Honestly, it'd probably focus your senses more if you fucking... Maybe. You're not going to talk shit. You're not going to waste any time with that. You might be good. Yeah, I guess if he's deaf blind, that's different.

That would be terrible. If he's blind, you can't have that at all. No, that would be really bad. That would just be fucking... That's just abuse at that point. Blind quad, I guess that's certainly abuse. If he was a crippled mute, if his name was crippled mute, I'd go, that's not even fair. Now, come on.

Still deaf mute does not seem good. It seems mean to call him that, but that's what he's going by here. Seems mean to punch him, too. Both. Yeah, both. He knocks out Deathmute in four rounds. I don't know. So next up, Pat Hayden.

He fights in his debut as well. He's fought so many debuting fighters. He's only fought two guys who have fought before. This is in Providence, Rhode Island. He fights. It's a knockout in two rounds. Beats him. Next up, Jim Scully in March of 1894. He sounds badass.

He's 0-1 coming in. Oh, okay. He sounds tough, though. Maybe he got it together later. Who knows? Big Jim Scully, you know? This was 145 pounds, and it was a finish fight here. I thought you were going to say 145 rounds. 145 rounds. it was a finish fight here i thought you were gonna say 145 rounds 145

rounds it was a finish right it could have got 145 rounds uh but apparently it was seven rounds and uh it was a knockout in seven rounds for somebody finished it for mccoy here next up billy steffers in his debut and this is a loss this guy knocks out kid mccoy in a minute and two seconds in his debut oh shit what does that tell you jimmy that's a bad man that tells me that is overlooked it tell me that the no the fix is in this shit yeah who's betting on billy steffers yeah whoever is is making all the money but all the money is going on McCoy, and he took a dive. Absolutely. I would fucking bet my balls that that's not real, especially against a debuting guy. You're not knocking him out.

He fights over 100 times. He's knocked out like three times. I feel like those are on purpose, and this guy's not knocking him out. You know what I mean? It's not going to happen. No. Otherwise, we'd know Billy Steffers. We'd know all about him.

He'd be fucking a legend so uh may 18th eight days after being knocked out unconscious apparently he fights again which is knocked out unconscious in a minute and 40 in a minute two a minute two a flurry of punches yeah just pummeled him that's he just that's this guy, Jim Barron, that he's fighting at 147, 147 pounds. Jim is 14, 4, and 1. So he's got some experience. This fight goes 10 rounds, all 10, and it's a draw.

Nobody wins on decision back then. Like, if it goes the distance, they just call it a draw. It's very weird. I don't like that at all. I don't know when they brought judges into it, but that's... And even on finish fights, they call it a draw yeah right now the legend is there are several places where the phrase is traced the phrase the real mccoy is traced back to yeah you hear the real mccoy okay one or a couple of them love them are about him okay and yes now apparently there was a in a book in 1881 there was a uh a

reference to that a book that came out in 1881 that in like a french book there was a reference to somebody being the real mccoy but that that they're not they don't think that's how it got publicly spread there's also a couple other legends about it some guy that made a railroad lubricant they said if it was the good stuff it was the real mccoy lubricant the real mccoy so that's to me that seems that would be the thing yeah but there are a lot of people credit it to him to this guy being the real mccoy one of the legends is he's at a bar and a much bigger man started fucking with him as people did back then because they're shit hammered on booze

that's got poison in it. You know what I mean? That's made from like bug spray. It's literally got a skull and cross. Three of them. Yeah, it's scary shit. So others in the bar, I guess he ignored him.

The kid ignored him. Others in the bar said, hey ignored him the kid ignored him others in the bar said hey that's the boxer kid mccoy by the way you shouldn't fuck with that guy that's the guy's a professional boxer and the big guy laughed and was like that guy's not a boxer he look at this fucking guy he's a sickly looking little look at him he's a little turd i'm not afraid of that guy he's not a boxer so uh he ends up going hey you think you're tough do you and it goes up to mccoy i want to fight you right so apparently kid just said okay and in one punch knocked him out cold and that was the end of the fight and then when the guy woke up apparently he said quote oh my god that was the real mccoy i suppose that's what it was he's the real kid mccoy i guess it

was him so fascinating yeah um so there was that and then there's another version here when he's known for acting sick before fights he'd do that all the time to try to fool people and fool better and shit also betters better people would see him and then he'd make himself be seen before fights and people bet against him and then you know wandering around like frank and it's always sunny exactly friends suck on him so he has lesions yeah so he looks terrible yeah just come on he sucked on me i love it that's hilarious so apparently uh he was doing that one time and he was in a fight and he was, you know, acting like this guy was killing him and he was acting like he couldn't really fight back to this fight to this guy. And then this guy was getting overconfident and just dropping his guard. And then out of nowhere, he just came out and fucking started walloping him.

Just let him have it full strength. And the announcer said, which one is the real McCoy? Full strength. And the announcer said, which one is the real McCoy? So that was another one that came out is which one is the real McCoy because he'd do this all the time. So that was another deal. I kind of would put this cliche on him because granted the railroad was a big deal and you want lubricant on your railroad. And it would be very popular where that would spread easy. A lot of phrases came through.

Boxing was a big deal back then. It was the only sport. It was really the only sport. was really the only so there's no football baseball like i said was it's in its infancy it was like the the professional baseball things were just a little tiny article it was boxing was pages and pages and pages i mean it was a big deal another one was because he was so unimposing looking that people would pose as him and fight in his name because they could pass as him because he wouldn't look like shit. You can't pass as Mike Tyson, but you can pass as this guy, especially if there's no pictures of him anywhere. So that happened a lot, apparently, when people would show up and I guess they would give him a kickback. They'd show up as him to fight some exhibition.

It wasn't really him, whatever. So their people would say, apparently, you know, is that the real McCoy a lot? Because they didn't know because he was famous for that. He's like Andy Kaufman, like send it. Oh, this is Tony Clifton. That's all. Yeah.

But then he shows up and it's really Zamuda in the Clifton outfit. And it's, you know how it goes. So, yeah, that's how it would work. So that's apparently there's several different legends of that, all from him, and then there's a couple from literature, and then there's the lubricant guy. I want it to be him. I want it to be him, too.

Yeah, we'll say it's him. Fuck it. So in June of 1894, he fights Charles Maxwell, who, guess what, is debuting. Oh, shocking. Wins by points. It's only a. Oh, shocking. Wins by points. It's only a six-round fight. Wins on points.

Next up, also in June of 1894, he fights Jack Grace. Jack, Harry, Charles, Billy, Jim. Fascinating. Fuck, man. Jack Grace is two and six coming in, and this is a knockout win. Don't know what round. Or seventh round. It's a seventh round knockout for our guy here next up harry o'connor old harry o here harry o is oh and one coming into

the fight and the kid knocks him out in three rounds next up he's remember billy steffers who he fought he's gonna fight him twice in a row now for some reason i don't know why he's already beat him once no steffers beat him oh steffers beat him yes steffers is one one one and one coming in so he lost the another fight that he fought um the kid not beats him on points in 10 rounds okay now so this sets up the third fight get it it's a trilogy yeah see this is this is they were learning how to market a war brilliant yeah knocked out the champ. Now the champ's going to get his revenge.

Oh, but he took him the distance. Who can win the third fight? Think about it, guys. The only way to know is if you show up. Oh, my God, you got to buy a ticket. So Steffers comes in this time. It goes all 10 again, and he wins. Kid wins the fight, so he wins the rubber match.

So this all seems his only three fights that he's fought so far that I see Billy Steffers are all against him. They made a trilogy. So they basically said, let's get this guy and invent a trilogy out of it. Brilliant. The guy, who knows if he was even a fucking professional boxer. You know what I mean? Probably worked on the railroad. We have no idea.

Yeah, he's lubricating things. So October 29th, 1894, Al Roberts, he fights in his debut. And this is a draw. Goes all 10 rounds. So now another guy debuts, and he draws with him now. Now he's got a formula. You know what I mean? They're getting it out.

They're doing it again. It's fucking hilarious. So the next fight, Al Roberts again. What? The big rematch. And this is a knockout in five rounds for Kidd. So he doesn't do this much after this so maybe that didn't work. The

Al Roberts one didn't work. Next up he fights Billy the Shadow Maber. The Shadow's 12, 7 and 4. Shadowy. This is in Memphis and it's a 10 round decision for the Kidd. next up he fights jack

wilkes in boston he's one oh and two jack wilkes it's a tko and two rounds for the kid that i'd rather watch would you would you rather watch 10 rounds of going back and forth to a fucking draw if it's fucking amazing if it's like i've seen i've seen 12 round fights where i was like holy shit every round is just wild but i'd rather see uh haggler hearns yeah just one round lay it all out like you're out of the fucking parking lot and let's see what you got yeah yeah that's awesome like like fuck hr we'll handle this on our own that's what i want to watch just we're punching till somebody drops that's all there is to it. No strategy.

That Tyson Fury fight was fantastic. That's fun shit. Well, next up, you'd hate this fight then because this is the exact opposite of that. He fights Dick O'Brien, who is 10-2-2. This is in Boston. This fight goes all 25 rounds. Oh, God.

Jesus. That is all 25 rounds. Oh, God. Jesus. That is all fucking night. All 25 rounds, Jimmy. You've got to start at noon. Yeah, those are three-minute rounds. Three times 25 is 75 minutes. That's almost an hour and a half of fighting. Never mind the breaks between the rounds.

With 30 seconds at least sitting on stools. Yeah. Now, it says mccoy went down a couple times but apparently the ring was wet there was moisture in the ring doors yeah it's at a polo rink so yeah it's probably outdoors so the pool yeah so there was no more noted knockdowns over the ice so there's condensation and um so they said that in the 12th round, he almost lost the fight. But I guess he came out and kept it in 25 rounds. Now, the Wilkes fight, the fight before this, we got to talk about quickly here.

There's some articles about this here. And here we go. OK, this is what it says. Quote, McCoy's wonderfully weak appearance and pale face when in the ring on one occasion nearly prevented a fight from taking place. His opponent being afraid to tackle so sickly and delicate looking a person. Think about this. You guys stood on the other side of the ring going, come on, you guys, this is this is torture. We can't do that to him. Check it out. Can he hear and talk? If not, get after it. So McCoy's opponent on that occasion was Jack Wilkes. There you go. Who called himself the champion middleweight of the Southwest and made St. Louis his home. This Wilkes person had easily taken the measure of all the middleweights around there and was considered some shakes was considered some shakes when he was matched with McCoy in a limited round bout in Boston.

This was long before McCoy had the reputation as a boxer that he gained a little later. Harry Sharp, later the leading referee of the Middle West, trained Wilkes for his bout with McCoy, and when the two set sail from St. Louis for Boston, I don't think actually literally in a boat, it was as though they were going away to be in the, I was going, they were going to be in at the plucking of a very ripe watermelon. On the night of the fight, Wilkes was anxious to take a peek at McCoy.

For up to this time, he'd never laid eyes on the individual. What is he, the bride? I gotta see him. Is he pretty? But he's fighting a guy he's never seen. You'd never see that now. You've seen now when a guy fights, he's watched every round he's ever fought a hundred times before he fights him. That's crazy.

And stood across from him and stood on a scale together. Yeah, and a scale and everything. Yeah. So he knows his sparring partner, sucks to him. So he said at least, or this is the article, and at last Wilkes was given a view of him as he sat in his corner waiting for Wilkes to come into the ring and and toe the scratch. McCoy, always pale and delicate looking insofar as his face was concerned, was unusually pale on this occasion. And he made himself paler by a liberal use of face powder. He used theatrical makeup to look worse.

Think about that. This guy is hilarious he's fucking hilarious he's like the first like showman boxer like the first crazy guy who said i gotta fucking do crazy shit to make a name for myself put a couple of red circles on my cheeks yeah let's go make me look sick he said he was drawn and very fine too and might have ranked with one of the living skeletons they used to exhibit with the old Barnum show. Jesus. God. Old Khan has that fellow

in his grip, said Wilkes to Sharp after sizing McCoy up. I haven't hardly the heart to fight him. He tells his manager, I can't fight this guy. Look at him. So his manager said he't fight this guy look at him so his manager said he does look bad but we've got to do something and the boxer said wilk said but are you sure he's the right man like is that is that the real mccoy that's what it is yeah that's what they always say

is this an imposter again is that what it is is he the real mccoy that's where yeah so the guy said sure come over and i'll introduce you so they did they. They shook hands. And as they did, Wilkes sized McCoy up again. Then turning away, Wilkes said to Sharp, it will be a crime for me to fight this man. I'm going to go. It's literally a crime. I'm going to go to jail. Yes, you guys. He said it would be it would be like me licking a boy. Well, that would really be a crime you're right that's quite that's a different crime licking meant something different back then but i get it yeah he said this fellow is too pale and weak to fight anyone if i start this thing with him i may have

i may kill him and then what will happen to us both so he's literally afraid of legal ramifications for fighting this guy i don't want to go to jail and I don't want to kill him. Yeah, so Sharp, his manager, said, if you feel that way about it, just go in and tap him lightly. But you've got to make some sort of showing, else we have to walk the ties home and it's a long way back there. In other words, if you don't fight, we're not going to get paid and we're going to be walking the fucking railroad tracks back home rather than taking the train. So what do you want to do? Walk the ties. That's amazing.

Wilkes was obdurate. You don't hear that word very often obdurate obdurate i i that's got to be got to be obdurate right o-b-d-u-r-a-t-e obdurate i i don't know that word because that's probably an older fashioned word that we don't see a lot more it's a pain in the ass is what and i don't know literature or anything so there you go and he advanced all sorts of arguments as to why he should not fight mccoy then sharp a lawyer by education and learning also argued and at last won out wilks after the crowd had shouted its head nearly off entered the ring and glared at moy. That was the kid's first real fight, and he glared back at Wilkes and looked paler than ever. As they returned to their corners, there was a cynical smile on the face of McCoy, and Wilkes looked satisfied, happy perhaps, that he had done his opponent no damage.

Now came the second round, and like a greyhound released from the leash, McCoy came flying at his opponent. Wilkes tried to ward off the blows which were being thrown at him from every direction. He just said, I'm here, motherfucker. That's amazing. he would he could not stem the tide crash went mccoy's fist into jack's solar plexus as he straightened up to return the compliment mccoy's right hand landed flush on his jaw and pitched him headlong onto the ring wow knocked him the fuck out wilkes never came back he was knocked out as clean as a whistle and he laid there for several minutes before sharp was able to bring him to his senses he's what unconscious for several minutes you know how dangerous that's yeah that's bad come yeah you come with you come back within a

minute usually and this guy's putting smelling salts going come on you gotta fight next week wake up this is don't die on me boy oh my god so he God. So he was like Brad Pitt in fucking snatch. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. So he says that at his eyes opened, Jack whispered, what happened, Harry? What happened? And his manager said, you're licked. And he said, who licked me? He doesn't even know what happened.

The AIDS-y boy. Yeah. He said, McCoy. And he said, well, I'll be dinged. And that was that. The conversations are amazing. Aren't they fun, well, I'll be dinged. And that was that. Conversations are amazing. Well, I'll be dinged.

Well, isn't that a humdinger? I just got knocked unconscious for several minutes. And will definitely drool when I smile when I'm 50 years old. Terrific. I'm going to beat my wife and not know why. That's going to be great. Unreal. Other tactics he did here, he did a tour of Australia and the Pacific Islands.

And what he would do, and he was in South Africa at one point, too. What he would do is he would have people pay money and he would go into the ring. And none of this is like on the record. It's all just that there was press there. But he would go into the ring, and none of this is on the record. It's all just that there was press there, but he would go in and just take on all comers. Just like a parlor track, yeah. Like the old-timey wrestlers used to do that. They'd go to these towns, and I'll take on all comers. Some fat farmer would come out, and they'd tie him in fucking knots, and then everyone would go, oh, they beat up the tough guy in town, and don't mess with him.

But that's what he was doing. He was just going, take on all comers. But he looks like shit, so people people were like i'll fight this fucking guy and i guess you'd have to put up money and then he'd win the money that's how it worked so at one place people think it's south africa he weighed about 155 pounds at this point that's enough to do some damage he agreed to fight a man um who is described back then as a, quote, huge native. So I assumed a black guy in South Africa. He is weighed, they'd say, weighed over 250 pounds.

Yeah. He fights. So he said McCoy watched him train and noted the man fought in his bare feet. Oh. So when the fight began, McCoy's corner threw handfuls of tacks into the room. Think about that. Make that shit fair. He said McCoy went up to him, started dancing toward him, and then backed up into his corner,

drew the guy into the tacks, said the guy fucking grabbed his foot afterwards. He went, ow, grabbed his foot, raised it up. And when he did that, fucking kid came in and fucking knocked the shit out of him. Knockiterated him yeah wow and then he had thumbtacks on his back like mcfoley it's a wrestling match that's what this is it's crazy this is silly shit um here is one uh that they call the obscene remark trick in the newspaper this is from a 19 or an 1898 newspaper or some shit quote after several several rounds of this. And when the other fellow was unsuspecting, McCoy suddenly wound up one of his stories. He would tell him a story over the course of a fucking match.

Every round, he'd come out and tell him a little more where they were fighting. Okay. Until he'd come to his punchline, which was fifth, sixth round or whatever. He suddenly wound up one of his stories with an obscene remark about the opponent's mother people did not do that back then people didn't talk shit your mother was not a thing there was no shit talking back then people didn't talk shit like your fucking mother liked it last night this isn't white men can't jump you know what i mean like this is your sister out of my house

immediately yeah i want your mother and your sister out of my house immediately i'm gonna gather up i'm gonna gather up all these bricks and build a big house for your wife your mother and your sister was it a big house for was it i don't remember what it was yeah and then he said and i so your mother has a place to live honestly i want your mother and your sister out of my house immediately so that's what's going on here he would do that there was no your mama shit in 1892 this is the i think he invented your mama like this guy invented a lot of shit the dozens yeah he did it so from the paper hot with anger the other fellow opened up with a mighty blow throwing caution to the winds then

kid stepped in and finished him haymaker and he misses yep that's it in another fight kid suddenly shouted at the other fighter look out your shoes untied not the old it was the new your shoes untied they didn't know a hundred years later kids are still doing this on the playground the new guess what chicken butt guess what chicken butt there's a spot on your shirt where think that's what this is it's crazy so the guy would look down like oh wow my shoes untied i don't want. I don't want to step on that, and Kid would fucking level him, and that was the end of the fight. He'd knock people out. This happened a couple of times.

Another one was to quote, another of the Kid's brutal tactics was to rasp the glove lacings across his opponent's face. So the lacings on the bottom, when they get in a clench, he would fucking scrape them, so it would cut them. Here's one guy, Bill McConnell, who's a boxing instructor.

He said, McCoy was one of the smartest, cleverest, most brutal fighters I've ever seen. He was extremely cruel and delighted in marking his opponents for life. Marking them for life. That's why he liked... Like he's on cell block six. Yeah, he liked this shit. That's what i mean he was a dirty he grew up fighting hobos yeah that's you don't do that they always say

the legend of harley race the wrestler everybody said he was like whenever you ask people who are the toughest guys in the history of wrestling everybody says andre haku harley race those are the three that everybody fucking always brings up because har Race was fighting grown men in the streets for money when he was 13, 14 years old. Is that right? That's why he's so tough. He has that thing, there's a famous thing that he said,

if I hit a man with my left and he doesn't go down, I will walk around him and see what's holding him up. So you got to be tough to say shit like that. Yeah. So that's what he did. That's why he did the corkscrew punch too because it would open up more chance of opening up cuts yeah because you're twisting you're twisting so he wants to cut you which also psychologically fucks people up when they're bleeding yeah and you get blood in your eyes and if you're a winner uh and later on people will tell

their other people i got this from Kid McCoy did this to me. Exactly, which is what he wants. Next up he fights Dick Moore. Now he's fighting 150 pounds so he's moving up here. Oh, that poor kid. He's a first grader. Right. Dick Moore.

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Abe was 5-0-4 coming into this fight. Oh. So you'd have a lot of draws back then from the finish fights. So this fight goes 13 rounds and it's finally stopped by the police. What? Like Sting? Like, okay.

Here's from the newspaper. Was it a Sting concert? They had to stop because of the Sting concert? The police was up next? Stuart Copeland's wrist got sore. He couldn't drum anymore. It had to be canceled. No. From the Indianapolis Journal here, October 8th, 1895,

Kid McCoy wins. Little trouble to hammer Big Abe Ullman in Baltimore. Kid McCoy of Indianapolis had Abe Ullman of this city all but out in the 13th round tonight when the referee gave mccoy the fight on a foul by one of ullman's seconds so one of his corner men the contest took place at the front street theater the men fought at catch weights in the neighborhood of 154 pounds so it wasn't even an exact weight class. It was just we're both whatever we are. We're around the same size. We'll be fine. We both agree to that.

Ullman stripped a large-looking man. Ullman stripped a large-looking man, I think is what it's supposed to be. But McCoy soon showed that he had science to spare. Ullman roused the hopes of his friends in the first three rounds, but McCoy kept working at his wind. And in the sixth, he had Ullman bleeding at the nose and puffing like a porpoise. From this on, McCoy hit his opponent about as he pleased, getting an occasional hot one in return. In the tenth round, McCoy had his man almost out, but the latter rallied and made a game stand. In the thirteenth, when Ullman was staggering all over the ring and bleeding freely,

one of his seconds lost his temper and threw a sponge, striking the referee squarely in the face. The ref is pissed. So this caused the benches to empty, we'll say, or the designated areas if you listened to last week's episode. say the or the designated areas if you listen to last week's episode so uh the the police prevented a free fight and the referee gave the mccoy the decision it turned into a riot basically wow yeah just people throwing free blows yep just well against there was non-fighters in the ring it turned into a mess fighting corner men yep so uh ted white he fights next uh 29 and 7 ted is

this is in england fight, I believe. He loses on points in 10 rounds. Ted's English, so you go to his place, you're going to lose on points. January 8, 1896, Charles Johnson, the Baltimore catcher from back in the day. He's 1-0-1. This is a no contest, no decision after four rounds. Don't know what that means. That's a draw, right?

No? It doesn't count for anything on the record. It's like an expedition. His next two fights are... Expedition? Yeah, an expedition. Exhibition. His next two fights are both against guys named Tommy. He fights Tommy West, and West goes down three times in the second round,

the last one being out cold. So, second round knockout for kid next up tommy ryan who's 33 0 and 8 coming in holy so 33 wins no losses tommy ryan and we will talk about this is the legend of mccoy this is what makes him as a fighter okay this match um their build by the way this is for the the world middleweight title at this point. They're fighting at 154 pounds. Now, it says here that McCoy served as a sparring partner for Ryan for years. And apparently Ryan was notorious for beating the shit out of his sparring partners with extra vigor more than everybody else.

Yeah. He really hurt his sparring partners a lot. So McCoy wants to get revenge on him for this, for all the beatings he's had to take from him. So McCoy, again, looking thin, pale, and frail, as it says here, told Ryan that he's seriously ill. Like weeks before the fight, he's like, I'm really ill. I'm going to fight because I need the money, but I'm very ill. You know, like, this is terrible. Stage two.

Again, rubbed flour on his face or stage makeup, something of that nature. Ryan fell for it and didn't train. He didn't train like he usually did because he's like, this guy's sick. And he's like, because McCoy was like, look, you're going to beat me bad. I'm just doing it for the money. I'm really sick, and I need this money for my family and all this type of shit. Just don't kill me. So Ryan came in not in top condition.

McCoy came in training like a fucking madman, been working his balls off, and knocks the living shit out of Ryan. It took 15 rounds, but he knocks him out. Got it. Yeah, 15 rounds, knocks him out, gives Ryan his first loss and makes the legend of Kid McCoy here, and that is

Grace. That's Grace. Right now, he's on top of the world. He's a real trickster. He's a real trickster. He really is. Next type, he fights Frank Bosworth, Brian's great-granddad. Of course, yeah. Obviously.

The original Bosworth. The original. This one, he comes in 154 pounds. Bosworth is 180 pounds. Jesus, God. That's a big difference. He knocks Bosworth out in two rounds, though. Two rounds. Two rounds.

Second round knockout. 30 pounds on him. Yep. Next up, Jim Daly, John's great-grandfather. That's nice. It's getting all of them. It's getting all of them here. I guess Daly had once been his sparring partner, McCoy's.

Or no, it was Jim Corbett's sparring partner. He was a guy later on. I'm sorry. So he knocks him all over the ring. He knocks him down multiple times a round. And finally, it's a Tko in the third round for our guy here next up mysterious billy smith i wish we could watch these god damn it i want the youtube of all of this and black and white and really fast really fast for whatever reason the frame

for a second was sped the fuck up yeah so babe ruth looks like the fastest man alive look at him go he's jogging and he just did that shit really fast and whoever pitched was throwing heat babe oh good god you couldn't even see that shit smoke on those things no shit man uh mysterious billy smith apparently this is a disqualification win for mccoy here smith fouled on a break and um there was that pulled him partly through i guess i guess he must have been warned before too because disqualified him in the sixth round next up dick moore again yeah dick moore here in brooklyn they fight this fight goes all 10 rounds and it is a he wins on points m McCoy does. Next up, Jimmy Fox, not the baseball player.

Single X, not the double X. This is in Philadelphia. No contest, no decision. Who knows? Next up, Bill Doherty in South Africa he fights. Yeah. And he knocks him out in the ninth round out of 20 rounds. This is for the world 158-pound middleweight title.

Of 20 fucking rounds. We're going 20 everybody oh my god next up he fights jack graham um graham fought as kid grim don't know why not bad he gets knocked out in the second round so that's pretty grim yeah it's as grim as it gets it's grim enough uh next up, he fights Mike Creeden here. He's 3-1 coming in, Creeden, in Pittsburgh. Knocks him out in the second round at the Bijou Theater. I don't know if that's still there anymore. This, by the way, is the first fight of today. Kid's going to fight twice today.

In one day? One day. May 5th, 1897, or May or may 6th 1897 he fights twice he knocks creeden out in the second round and then next up mike o'hara knocks out two guys named mike in the same day next up is mike o'hara who's debuting and uh he knocks him out in the first round he only fought three rounds but he fought twice in the same day. Jesus. Next up, Dick O'Brien.

Dick, Jack, Mike, Bill, fuck. It was a better time, though. It really was. Well, it's just easier. Actually, it's not easier because if someone says, did you talk to Charles? Which fucking one?

I know 45 Charleses. What about William? Which fucking one of those? I'm annoyed about how many people are named jimmy and james never mind i'm happy people have weird names i identify them i know who they are we're the same guy on the same show yeah people are confused by that that this is imagine back then it'd be four guys on a podcast yeah there'll be four guys on a podcast all named Dick. He's terrible.

All named Jack. So Dick O'Brien knocks him out in the 10th round. Kid knocks out Dick. Yeah. Kid takes down the Dick. Next up, Jack Bonner. He fights him. So in May, he fought twice on May 6th, once on May 26th, and then fights again on May 31st. Jesus, God.

He fought 10 rounds on the 26th of May and then fought five days later. Unbelievable. That's ridiculous. And fights another six rounds and wins. Beats a guy named Jack Bonner in Philadelphia. So let's talk about his wives, okay okay he's married at least nine or ten times we're not hell yeah yeah he's everything about him is a character his life is what he does his boxing his wives who's he think he is my dad yeah he's just like that except he marries rich

ladies yeah mine mine didn't movie stars and shit because he's a playboy yeah he's a little different mine's marrying hillbillies yeah it's different it's much different um for 1895 he married a woman named charlotte peeler he married her uh july 31st 1895 and um apparently when they were they were divorced later on in 1898 and he I guess the divorce settlement went to her because he didn't show up in court. Well, no, he's got dextapate. Yeah. He would later say this was the only person that he was married to who married Norman Selby and not and not kid McCoy. Yeah.

She knew him always. She knew him for years, apparently. So that was the only one. Now, one of the reasons why she was probably also awarded the divorce is in 1898 is because he got married to someone else in 1897. So that's big of me. He wasn't around and he was married to someone else. Another woman named Charlotte to make it easier.

How about that? Charlotte Smith married her. They divorced quickly as well. Here. That's interesting. I think this is the one where he said, we were married after two days. Oh, this is about Charlotte. No.

Oh, my God. He must have married. He married. No, he married a girl earlier than that. We just don't know about because he says we were married after two days acquaintance. I was 19, just 19. So back in 1891 or two, he apparently married. And two days later married her.

Yeah. And then it didn't go. Apparently weird. Shocking. Yeah. No shit. Oh, yeah. No.

Then he gets into. Oh, wow. Yeah. Julia Woodrow. Oh, OK. That's that one. OK. okay that's that one okay so there's that one there then he marries also in 1897 so he got married twice while he was still married to the other one to the first charlotte to charlotte number one he marries julia crosselman who is

known before that and is known later on as julia woodruff here she's a new york actress uh here and uh he says quote we were married three times before we would we decided we could never make a success of our life together they get married the same woman three times yep uh she he married her in 1897 they were divorced in 1900 so he got wow okay in in 1897 he was married to three different people over the course of the year stayed married to one and then another one he was also divorced twice and remarried in the it's crazy so he marries woodruff here um woodruff after okay uh they get divorced in 1900 then january 7th 1901 they get married again let's give it a go then they get divorced in 1900. Then January 7th, 1901, they get married again. Let's give it a go.

Then they get divorced later on in 1901. This is why they've made marriage and divorce so difficult. Well, yeah, it has to be because this is like way too easy. Otherwise this happens. On April 11th, 1902, they got married again. And then divorced again on June of 190303 yeah way too easy oh my god then he marries a showgirl named indiola arnold i would too in 1903 uh-huh uh here they divorce in 1905 he blew it of her he says quote we were married nine months and decided we were nine months and deciding our marriage was a failure.

There you go. So there was that. Next up, Lillian Ellis, who goes by Lillian Estelle Earl, who is the, I guess, widow. Oh, she's a rich widower. Her husband died in 1904. Widow, yeah. Died in 1904. And they got married in 1905 her net her net worth was

seven million dollars of 1901 money adjusted for inflation in 2021 dollars she had 211 million 114 815 dollars that's a catch fucking loaded uh wow she was also a close friend of julia his three his thrice divorced wife his his third fourth and fifth wife julia um also seven million dollars when things cost 12 cents yeah you could buy a house for like 300 bucks back then. Right. This is crazy. They were awarding plots of land for free.

For $5 million, you could buy Manhattan. Yeah. Literally. Just I'll take it all. The whole island. That's what the subway system cost back then. To make, to drill into the earth and put trains in it. That's crazy.

So they're going to be married for five years. 1910, they to finally get divorced here what did he say about that one um i guess she struggled with being married to him because he's a disaster and he said it was not until five years after our marriage that we sought divorce well yeah that happens yeah his next wife um here edna ferdinand ferdinanda valentine i guess they got married in 1911 in gaston north carolina and um it was her second marriage here as well all these women were married a bunch just like him they were all it was a lot of like showbiz people so they were yeah that stuff never lasts yeah moving in circles yeah he said edna was a charming girl she was the daughter of a honduras mining man or one yeah rich in other words yeah our one year together was spent mostly abroad and then we decided to break

that's nice um his next wife will be um later on we'll talk about he's got more coming don't worry three three more on deck so oh God. But that's what he's doing during his boxing career. Imagine beating the shit out of people and then marrying hot heiresses? Marrying hot heiresses and showgirls and movies or not movies but stage

actors and then training and beating guys up and tricking them. It's crazy. He's really famous though. He's one of the most famous though like he's super he's one of the most famous boxers in the world at this point because he's so colorful people know of him so next up in 1897 in july july 50 fights nick burley who's 35 8 and 4 not bad but kid knocks uh kid knocks him out though here in uh three rounds not bad for Kidd. Next up, Dick Moore again. He can't get enough Dick Moore. He needs more. He needs more

Dick. More Dick Moore. Dick Moore, he knocks him out in the second round. The fights keep getting shorter with Dick Moore. Dick Moore is getting shorter and shorter. Must be cold out. Yeah, he's getting less of Dick Moore. It's getting very... Oh, this was in Buffalo. That's why he was chilly. Dick Moore is going to go way

shorter in Buffalo. He shrinks in Buffalo. Shrinks right up. Let's see. August 13th, 1897, Dan Bailiff he fights. Bailiff. He is 2-0-1, but this guy gets knocked out in the third round here. Kid wins. Next up, Tommy Ryan again.

Okay. Apparently, the referee calls this fight in five rounds. Now, later on, a referee that wasn't reffing the fight but that watched the fight said there was no reason the police intervened in the bout and broke it all up. But the ref

said there was no reason for that. Both men were strong. Nobody was hurt. Everybody could have finished the fight. And so they had to Both men were strong. Nobody was hurt. Everybody could have finished the fight. And so they had to give it a draw. That was it. So there was some kind of fix in there, obviously. Or maybe the police didn't realize that it was a sanctioned fight.

Yeah, they were like, oh, there's guys fighting over there. Oh, Jesus Christ, they put ropes up. It's getting out of hand. Next up, he fights Jim Hall, which are two different ways to say a room in a hall that's perfect jim hall uh but it's jim obviously 50 wins for jim hall 50 13 and 14 this is a no contest no decision now i know why this is because the bout it stopped in five rounds, but the bout was scheduled for six rounds. The referee was a fake. What?

Apparently, it was a fake referee. And by the fifth round, all of the press at ringside started calling and wouldn't stop saying, it's a fake referee, it's a fake referee. They eventually just stopped the fight and everybody left and was like, don't say anything. It's a fake referee. Tied up in a broom closet somewhere? Yeah. So Enrico Palazzo's back there fucking all tied up with his tuxedo taken off him. So here's a little bit on the corkscrew punch, which is just what everybody does.

You jab, you twist at the end. It's just it puts a little extra stank on it. So this is from a newspaper back then. Quote, McCoy invented the corkscrew punch jack grace globe trotting fighter and the kids traveling companion on his south african trip trip recalls quote it was a vicious blow as his fist connected with his opponent's face the kid turned it with this punch mccoy would cut the rival's butler uh batter battler oh the rival rival battler to pieces it wasn't a knockout he was seeking it was to make the other fellow suffer others tell of tenderizing him he's tenderizing

him yeah others tell of tricks that he used to use as well there was one and jesus christ in which he kept whispering in his opponent's ear during the clenches he kept whispering weird shit like different stuff weird shit that would like saying he was attracted to him he would say like he would say hey listen we're pals let's not fight anymore like hey what are you doing don't punch each other why are we doing that let's be friends like let's not do this and then he fucking saw he's just fucking with people he's just fucking yeah let's share an ice cream cone. Let's Lady and the Tramp a hot dog. Let's do it. Come on.

Let's Lady and the Tramp Dickmore. What do you say? So that's pretty shocking for back then, too. People would be very surprised, but not as surprised as they would be at the sales, Jimmy. Oh, the sales from 1899 here are amazing. This I can't wait for. Oh, baby. from 1899 here are amazing. This I can't wait for. Oh, baby. Let's see here.

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Nobody wants anything stained, I don't think. It's not a fucking deck, for Christ's sake. It's my hair. Yeah. What the fuck, man? It's not a beach chair. What is this, my fucking fence? It it's my hair i'm taking this with me for christ's sake oh my god oh god um his next two fights october 12 are both november 12 1897

he fights in the same day uh-huh he fights lord george leblanche in the first fight. 41-19-11 this guy is coming in. Apparently Kid knocks him out. Oh, LeBlanc was drunk. He showed up for the fight drunk and Kid knocked him out in 20 seconds because he was drunk. He showed up and was like, it was $4 for four courts. It was so cheap.

I picked it up at the railroad and it was delicious, good, tasty. How does my hair look? It's a stain. Ow! Ow! When they pick them up, there's stain all over the mat when they pick them up.

And his cock is rock hard. Rock hard. His kidneys are in the best shape ever. He bought everything. He got it all. So he knocks, 20 seconds he knocks out a drunk man. Wow. That's nice.

That's abuse. Next up he fights Beach Rubel. Uh-huh. B-E-E-C-H-R-U-B-L-E. Beach Rubel. Does this person? It's his debut. Yeah.

I think this guy is full of shit. Some bullshit made up name. Knocks him out in the second round. That's bullshit. Next up, he fights Australian Billy Smith is his name. Okay. Weird part is he's Dutch. That's for sure.

He's Australian. It sounds like so far the government is making people fight for their fucking citizenship it sounds like some guy named beach ruble fight for it and the australian get in there oh my god now the sportsman a magazine in australia reported that at mccoy's behest a fighter called tarantula bill posed as aust Billy Smith, and it wasn't really Australian Billy Smith that he fought. Later, it confirmed Tarantula was Adelaide Billy Smith, whose real name was Charlie Matthews. So not Australian Billy Smith, Adelaide Billy Smith. Prior to the bout, the Chicago Chronicle reported it, and yeah, there you go. So it was a knockout in two rounds.

It was all bullshit. That was a bullshit day. Beach Rubel two weeks before. That was three days before. He it was a knockout in two rounds. It was all bullshit. That was a bullshit day. Beach Ruble two weeks before. That was three days before. He had a bullshit week is what that was. So next up, he fights Dan Creedon. Now, Creedon is a 31-1-7. So Creedon's no shit at this point.

He's got to fight a real guy. And this is for the world middleweight title at this point. And apparently Creedon's a very strong looking guy and all this kind of shit so it's a he's not expected to win kid and he actually does win because after 15 rounds of a 25 round fight fucking hell creedon can't come out for the 16th round because he's tired he's got brain damage he like, I don't remember my wife's name. I'm going to stay here. And they just carried him back. It's at

this point, I feel like he needs money right now because he referees a couple matches in between some fights here. Okay. He fights. This is what he does in March of 1898. He fights on the 4th. He referees. He fights on the 4th. He fights two fights on the 11th, then referees on the 17th

and 21st. Did he owe someone money or something? The two fights he refereed, it doesn't matter who he refereed. Wilmington, Jack Daly, and George Kidd Levine was one of them. Who gives a shit? Doesn't matter. Either way, back to his fighting. He knocks out

Nick Burley in the second round.ley in the second round 140 in the second round in Hot Springs, Arkansas the notable thing here is referee of that match Bat Masterson stop it! Bat Masterson is the referee. The real one. It's 1898

Bat fucking Masterson is the referee. He's the draw. I had no idea that he was involved in that. People would just make appearances and they get money for it so they would do shit like that ref a boxing match do a shooting exhibition it's cool as fuck man so uh the next fight was uh march 11th against vern hardenbrook i guess this is the this is one of his all comers thing one of his all comers days and i guess vern hardenbrook was the indiana state champ and uh the bout went the distance and it's a no contest i guess it could there's some weird rule

about it and then he knocks out jim bates in the first round who hits his debut so that's a bullshit fight next up he fights gus rulin and um he that's a cool name gus ruluhlin. I love Gus. R-U-H-L-I-N. He is a... If I'd have been a better man, I would have fucking stuck my foot down and been like, I'm naming him something old timey. I wish I would have named my kid Gus. That's a cool fucking name. Gus. There you go.

Gus. Yeah, that is a cool name. Nobody's named Gus. It'd be real original now. Nobody's named Gus anymore. There's no six-year-old named Gus right now walking around. Doesn't exist. Somebody name your kid Gusus for me gus this

fight goes all 20 rounds wow all 20 and mccoy wins on points there next up joe goddard this fight is uh apparently in the fifth round goddard is goes down and then goddard gets disqualified later in the round for trying to wrestle mcc to the ground. Oh, he quit. That was it. He turned into a different fight. Yeah, he did like Rowdy Roddy Piper and Mr. T in WrestleMania 2. And I guess he was, but he said, I only threw him down because McCoy hit on the break and that should have been a disqualification and didn't disqualify him.

So I got mad. This is what McCoy would do. He'd sneak a shot and he was a heel, man. It's funny. So next up, he's going to fight. They're going to talk about he's going to ref a couple of fights, too. He refs three fights in January of 1899, so he needs the money. Then he's going to fight Sailor Tom Sharkey.

Yeah. Okay, Sailor Tom Sharkey's 28-3-6 coming into this fight. This fight here is fought at the lennox athletic club at 110th street in lexington in new york city this is like across 110th street across 110th street you can watch this guy do some crazy shit that wasn't in the song but yeah it was a different neighborhood that was actually 1899 i don't even know what the fuck it was back then because that That's Queens, right? No, that's fucking.

It's Harlem, right? It's Harlem. That's the beginning of Harlem there. So, yeah, 110th and Lex. I'm trying to think back then what would that have been because the, I don't even think the Italians had gone up there yet. I don't even think we were still in the, you know, fire hazard crammed into downtown because then we went up there. Fucking Hell's Kitchen. And then, yeah, I don't know that's weird so either way um the form okay when mccoy fought sharky at the

lennox a athletic club 110th street and lexington avenue january 10th 1899 the former introduced a novelty mccoy obviously in his corner instead of the customary stool he used a steamer reclining chair in his corner what recliners had just came out so he brought a recliner in his corner and used that lazy boy in the corner see what i'm saying this guy's a fucking uh a real uh character uh sailor sharky intimidated uh intimated that mccoy was quite apt to need the steamer chair he'll be seasick before the end of the voyage said the sailor oh my god fucking sailing puns yes he does this guy jesus christ i'm gonna make him walk the plank does he say shit like that probably as it was mccoy nearly scuttled the tattooed ship on the sailor's manly bosom so apparently he's got a tattoo of a ship. You know how many few people had tattoos in 1899?

Actual sailors. Yeah, actual sailors. For he brought Sharky down with a thud in the third round, but the sailor was too rugged to be kept down for the count of 10. And in the 10th round, he finished McCoy, who found the steamer chair very convenient. So this is a knockout.

Had some spinach in his corner. That's right. Knockout loss in the 10th round of 20. the next fight this is a couple months later in march of 1899 he fights joe choi uh choinsky uh he is you think that sailor guy was the inspiration for popeye possibly you know i mean probably a lot of sailors yeah i think it's probably he punched he's a puncher maybe tom sharky who knows i don't know the i don't know the origins of popeye so maybe i'm not yeah i'm not positive story if he if he was out in like 19 you know 10 maybe that's possible yeah but apparently here in this fight uh the the sharky fight before that we get into choinsky again um

in the sharky fight he was knocked out with a left hook in the 10th, Kid McCoy. After the count, when McCoy got, the ref called it, he thought the, apparently Sharkey didn't know the fight was over and attacked him again

and hit him with another left and knocked him down again. So, to add to the brain damage. Yeah. Yeah. Give it an extra. That's interesting. The Choynsky fight goes all 20 rounds

jesus jesus and uh he wins on points the kid wins on points here uh next up tom duggan that is a hacksaw jim's great-grandfather yeah obviously um here he fights him beats him in two rounds of the tko wow and tom had a fucking two by four thatfour. That's amazing. That's what I mean. You gotta be... Kid's no joke, dude. Takes him right down. The same day, he fought Jack Graham and beat him in four rounds.

So, two different fights in the same day. Then, four days later, he fights another fucking fight here. Carter against Jim Carter. Jim is billed as the heavyweight champion of alabama i don't know what that means but it's not nearly as impressive i don't know he gets knocked out though kid knocks him out in the fifth round alabama heavyweight champion of alabama next up four days after that yeah dude he keeps fighting a lot he

fights jack mccormick he hasn't even stopped bleeding no this is at the star theater in chicago that's fucking cool where was the star theater which one was that what did that turn into later there's a i remember we had when we were in chicago we like went through the history of all these chicago theaters it's right there downtown or in that in that general historic area next to that fucking next to that uh what is that the one that we were at yeah that's right it's near there right people will tell us people will tell us um either way this fight he in the first round he loses and gets knocked out now um this is from the uh san francisco newspaper, it's called. Sitting at ringside, famed referee George Siler said,

it looked to me like a fight lost through overconfidence. McCoy had both hands down at his side when McCormick fainted left, then shot over a right that landed flush on the jaw. So I don't know what he was thinking there to do that, but he lost and got knocked out. Next up, he fights Jeff Thorne, who's 1-0 coming into this fight. He knocks this guy out in the

third round. Next up, Steve O'Donnell. He knocks Steve O'Donnell out in the sixth round. Apparently, quote, O'Donnell was bruised and bleeding when McCoy got through with him in the fifth round, but he was game and went out for the sixth. After two minutes and 48 seconds, McCoy, with several left and right swings to the jaw,

knocked him out. So there you go. Probably shouldn't have come out. No, probably not. So Jack McCormick, he fights again. Now he's got to get his revenge, and he TKO's Jack McCormick in the eighth round this time. He keeps his fucking hands up, apparently.

He fights Joe Choinsky again. Apparently he fights Joe Choynsky again. This is only a sixth round fight. Apparently the quote amid cries of fake referee, uh, Malachi Hogan is his name, uh, announced both had agreed to a draw if no knockout at the end of sixth round, six rounds.

McCoy, however, scored the only knockdown of the fight, putting Joe down in the third, and most believe Kidd had done enough to deserve the decision, but it's a draw. That's what they would have, these fights where they would agree that it's no winner if it's a draw, basically.

No winner if you go the distance. Next up, Billy Stift. Stift? Yeah, Stift. He fights Billy Stift, knocks him out in the 13th round, fights Jack McDonough, knocks him out in the 13th round. Fights Jack McDonough, knocks him out in the 4th round. Fights Peter Marr, who's 115, 6 and 6. What?

That's a lot of fights, man. This is New Year's Day 1900, turn of the century. And 12 fights he has lost or drawn out of 127 and imagine how many other fights he's fought and how many of those were bare knuckle probably that's a dangerous human being yeah well he knocks i think he's older too uh this is he he comes in by the way kid comes in at 163 pounds and this guy's 172 pounds and uh knocks him out in the fifth round apparently he went down mar went down in the first second and then finally in the fifth for good uh joe choinsky again now we're gonna fight him again and um it says here that he can't come out for the fifth round joe and it's a win

for mccoy a right hand swing to the jaw by mccoy landed just as the bell sounded to end the round and choinsky was knocked out cold. Joe was unable to answer the bell for the start of the fourth round. After the bout, he and McCoy signed articles to meet again under the same conditions. So next up, Dan Creeden knocks him out in the sixth round. Kid does. Next up, Tommy Ryan again. Tommy is 60-1 now yeah 1 is him 1 60 and 1

this fight goes to the referee original this fight goes off six rounds referee originally rules for McCoy but later on the decision has changed to a draw. What? So, don't know. It's a draw. Yeah. I guess probably to keep it fresh. I don't know. Next up, Jack Bonner. And this is for the World and American 158-pound middleweight title. And he knocks out Bonner in the 13th round.

So, good for him. Fuck. Now, Corbett, he fights next. This guy named Corbett. And this is. So good for him. Now, um, Corbett, he fights next, this guy named Corbett, and this is a big fight for him. It's very interesting because it's a big, uh,

it's a big fight in lore here. Um, I have the contract here, by the way, for this fight. Want to know what a contract from 1900 is like for boxing? I'd love to know what the wording is. Here it is.

It's in the newspaper. Both men agree that the club referee charles white shall referee this contest and that they shall accept his interpretation of the marquee of queensberry rules it is further agreed that both shall furnish their own gloves subject to the approval of the referee but in case they are not approved by the contestants the club shall furnish the gloves to be used. If they can't agree on gloves, then they'll have to have a third guy there. It is further agreed that the purse shall be divided 70% to the winner and 30% to the loser.

J.J. Corbett further agrees to post today with Al Smith a forfeit of $2,500 to cover the forfeit already posted by Charles Kidd McCoy. So you had to put up like an assurance bond that you're going to be there. And as evidence of good faith in carrying out the above contract in case either man for any reason fails to appear on the night of the 30th of August at the 20th century club to box as agreed above, he shall forfeit to the other contestant, the sum of $2,500 here in mentioned.

So there you go. That's a fight back then. James Corbett, here it goes. Madison Square fucking Garden in 1900. And if you don't show up, you pay $2,500. That's it. This is like the old, old, old Madison Square Garden. I mean, this was like

where horses were and shit. This is crazy. This is August 30th here. This is crazy. This is August 30th here. This fight results in a fifth round knockout of Kid McCoy. He gets knocked out. But it is known as the biggest thrown fight in history almost. It's assured that everyone thinks that he threw it. It's ridiculous. Here it is the next day from the newspaper from the St. Louis Republic.

It says it was the fastest fight between heavyweights I ever witnessed. Corbett won through superior fainting ability. He out out generated McCoy time and time again. It was a hard fight from start to finish. It was only it was the only contest between heavyweights in which in which there was really a winner's and a loser's end. Both men fought hard for the winner's share. It was a blow to the body that really caused McCoy's defeat, although the finishing touch was a right-hander on the short ribs. I counted McCoy out and called off the seconds clearly and distinctly. If McCoy failed to hear them, it was because he was unconscious

and didn't know what was going on about him. That was the referee. Now, Kidd, this is what he says. This is his description of round one here. Corbett looked good and in good shape and I was glad of it. I always like to know that my opponent's in good condition. This is what Kid says. For there is no glory in whipping a man out of shape.

Well, the round was pretty tame. I led Corbin on as to find his weak spots. I worked in the only blow which counted. Jim was unable to reach me. He was very lively on his feet. So nobody's touching anybody. Yeah, so he goes on and on. That's just kind of how it goes.

Now here's another thing about the betting, okay? This is from the New new york times i think betting on tonight's fight was very tame it was expected that heavy wagers would be placed on at ringside but the mccoy money did not materialize because they knew it was in the fix was in so nobody bet on him um corbett was a pronounced favorite from the start everybody seemed to want corbett end uh early in the evening, 10 to 8 was quoted, and a number of small bets were recorded at those odds. John Considine sent out $3,000 to be placed at 10 to 8.

Considine's money was followed by several other heavy offers to back Corbett. The fix was in. But when the McCoy people saw the flow of Corbett money, they held off for a better price and soon 10 to 7 was the prevailing quotation and some quarters as good as 100 to 60 was offered on the ex-champion there were many freak bets made as to the length of the contest several wagers were made that mccoy would not go 15 rounds as the crowd filed in around the arena more corbett money came in sight and anyone who showed any disposition to place a

small bet on mccoy's chances was snapped up in an instant they said the heavy bettors who thought mccoy a good bet held off they said until the men entered the ring as to get a line on the men to see what they looked like my ass yeah so within a week people are saying it's fixed. It comes out. Honest John Kelly accuses McCoy of crooked work is in the newspaper. Honest John? Honest John. McCoy, let's see. McCoy, the pugilist, and Honest John Kelly, one of the most popular sporting men in the city,

almost came to blows last night at the Delavan Hotel over a remark Kelly hurled at the fighter. He accused McCoy of laying down in his recent fight with Corbett. McCoy went into the Delavan Hotel to have a sociable talk with Tom O'Rourke, the proprietor, while thus engaged, Kelly entered and said, let's be sociable, inviting O'Rourke and McCoy and a few other sporting men present to join him. All sat down at a table, and after giving their orders to the waiter, Kelly suddenly fixed his eyes on McCoy in a way which made the kid a bit sheepish. Just as McCoy was about to ask Kelly why he was eyeing him so closely, the latter said in a surprised tone, Kid, I don't think you fought on the level with Corbett. What do you mean, replied McCoy, becoming excited.

I mean just what I said, Charlie. I say you did not fight on the level. I say you didn't fight on the level. See? Charlie. Charlie. I said Charlie. I meant just what I said, Charlie.

I say you didn't fight on the level. For if you did, you think you could have beaten Corbett. I think you're a faker. Called him a faker. McCoy could no longer restrain himself and jumped to his feet and pulled back his arm as if intended to let a punch fly or let fly a punch at kelly's face kelly uh seeing mccoy was angry got up too and threw his arms around the kid's neck in a closed clinch saying quote now kid you know i like you and have always been your friend i think a great deal of you and i don't want any trouble with you please don't beat the shit out of me yeah you beat up hobos you're gonna kick my ass mccoy evidently took kelly's reply for an apology

for he once for he at once smiled good-naturedly and sank into his chair the drinks which had been ordered then arrived and mccoy and kelly with the others consumed the beverages. Kelly could not keep quiet and again eyed McCoy searchingly and said, I will tell you once again, kid, you laid down to Jim Corbett and you should be ashamed of yourself. He's going to kick your ass. Yeah. McCoy did not lose his temper, but simply looked hard at Kelly. You bet on Corbett didn't you exclaimed mccoy yes i did and i won a pot of money on his victory replied kelly and you don't think you won fairly shouted mccoy no i don't answered kelly have you given the money back to the persons you want it from mccoy said no i haven't well i'll tell you what to do you pay back every cent you won on

corbett and then you can talk to me but not not before. In other words, we both got our, what the fuck we game there for, asshole, so shut up. Kelly then said, it was a crooked fight just the same. You can lick Corbett anytime you want. You're a skin. I don't know what that means. But McCoy could not stand Kelly's insinuations any longer and gritted his teeth and pulled back his left hand. insinuations any longer and gritted his teeth and pulled back his left hand for the second time kelly jumped up and grasped mccoy around the neck hugged him tightly and at the same time saying you don't want to hit me you know i've always stood by you you're not talking shit

shut the fuck up then asshole you're being a real dick about it you're a dick i say i'm gonna punch you then you hug me and tell me how good of friends we are shut the fuck up asshole what did this guy honest john's an asshole this guy's a dick so um mccoy dropped his hands to his side and with a faint smile on his face managed to control himself kelly was then addressed in a harsh way by a number of the sports who told him he had no right to talk of mccoy in that, unless he can prove what he said. He finally apologized a few minutes later and stated he would wager 2,500 to $7,000 that McCoy could beat Corbett. Then the fun came to an end.

So that's it. Night over John Sullivan, John Sullivan, the bare knuckle champion that everybody knows about John L. Sullivan. He agrees and said it was fixed. In the newspaper, ex-champion heavyweight pugilist John L. Sullivan

arrived here and umpired two games of baseball. What? Pardon? Why? Bare-knuckle boxing, baseball umpiring. One in Norfolk and one in Portsmouth. Sullivan got half the gate receipts. That's why he's the draw, just to show up.

It's like when Wilt Chamberlain coached in the ABA. People bought tickets to look at him sit on the bench. I'm sorry, the designated area. So Sullivan had half the gate receipts, which were quite large. Sullivan, in an interview, expressed the belief that the recent Corbett-McCoy fight was a crooked one and that he knew McCoy could have put up a better fight had he tried quote prize fighting is practically dead said Sullivan he'd be shocked to see it's still going a hundred and fucking 20 years later New York was the only fight place where the fighters could make the coin and now that boxing is

prohibited in that state this by the way caused New York State to outlaw boxing and Connecticut as well for a while yeah this fight um prohibited in that state. This, by the way, caused New York State to outlaw boxing and Connecticut as well for a while. Yeah, this fight. Prohibited in that state. It's unlikely any big matches will be made in the near future. Fitzsimmons, I believe, will never again fight Jeffries. He's got a scare coming for him, for Jeff is too young and powerful for Bob. Okay, either way.

His next few fights here, I think he's fighting in England. He fights in England for the next three. Sandy Ferguson, Jack Scales, and David Barry. He knocks all of them out in under four rounds. Who cares? Four, one, and three. Four, one, and two rounds. Next up, Fred Russell here.

Okay. This is a sixth round decision. And it says McCoy won the newspaper decision a decision according to the record compiled by tracy callas neither man appeared to take the exhibition seriously until the fifth round when russell struck a low blow and mccoy retaliated they started wailing on each other's dicks at that point mccoy proceeded to batter the bigger man at his ease and according to washington evening evening star would have won the decision if one had been permitted so there you go uh next up kid carter he fights um apparently he loses this fight and apparently mccoy had a had a hand injury that he suffered two weeks earlier in his last

fight and that's what fucked him up he couldn't really punch so he loses in six three six rounds here does kid um next up he he fights Jack McCormick again. Jesus Christ. McCormick needs to retire and make his spices already, because this is getting too much. Too much for old Jack, man. Fucking crazy shit. So Jack McCormick, apparently it was an easy win here,

sixth round, but they said it was easy, so I don't know. Next up, Jack Root. That's an Australian term for fucking i guess yeah jack jack rooted him here this is in uh detroit referee bat masterson again that's incredible this is the for the inaugural world lightweight title this is the first time when they made lightweight a fucking light heavyweight yeah uh here mccoy is down in the second third seventh eighth and ninth round he's down seven times total and saved by the bell at the end of the second round as well fascinating so he loses on really got his ass kicked he got his ass kicked good next up against harry placky he comes in 0-1. I guess Henry Plackey, sorry. Plackey was

the champion of Holland and it said he made a sorry spectacle of himself last night in a fight with Kid McCoy at the Lenox Club. Standing six inches taller and weighing over 70 pounds more than his pale-faced opponent, he was beaten almost insensible

in less than four minutes. Placky never laid a glove on McCoy except for when the men clenched, and the cool, calculating McCoy darted in and out and around his burly opponent almost like lightning. He would faint with his right then drive his left to the face viciously,

scarcely ever failing to bring the blood. Holy shit. Before the first round ended, Placky was covered in blood from his neck to his waist, and both eyes were almost closed. Jesus. Before the gong sounded, announcing the close of the first round,

McCoy drove a vicious left flush to the chin, dropping Placky like a log. The gong saved him from being knocked out. He was carried to his corner. Oh, my God. Only to be knocked out 10 seconds after the opening of the second round. Why would you allow that man to go back in there? That is fucking crazy.

McCoy fainted with his right, then drove a left square to the point of Placky's nose. The later intuitively placed his left hand over the damaged organ and dropped to his knees. The blood was running from him in a stream. As he knelt by the ropes, the police appeared ringside and stopped the bout. Because anything more is going to be a crime. Stop this, please. Next up, Philadelphia

Jack O'Brien. Old Philly Jack. I guess apparently it's a sixth round. It goes six rounds. It's a draw. Everybody says it was kind of dull. There wasn't really a whole lot going on in the round, in the fight. Next up, Jack Twin Sullivan. This one's out in Los Angeles.

Interesting. Wins on points in 20 rounds in this one. Jesus Christ. 20. A little bit more on the Philadelphia Jack O'Brien fight from a newspaper. Quote, McCoy was matched with a behemoth named herb plaque her plaque and the bout took place oh no that's the other one um the rumble never mind it's the other one i fucked oh that's right the plaque fight the henry plaque fight when he beat the living shit out of

him this is the one where uh i guess uh he said this is the one where he said your shoes untied and then fucking knocked him down made hamburger of his face yeah finally his wife or now ex-wife calls out the corbett fight to mccoy's ex-wife really she said the fight was fake and every sporting man in town knows it mccoy did not train knowing corbett was to lie down um half an hour before the car half an hour before the fight corbett refused to lie down and gave kid the double cross mccoy was so mad that he would not shake hands it was true that mccoy had neglected the conventional bumping of gloves but he denied the rest he said quote i fought a bad and wrong kind of fight by smothering up and not being the aggressor he said uh he was unhurt

until he received the hard punch in the stomach a spot where it does not take a very hard punch to incapacitate one from being able to fight for a few seconds or allowed to recover um corbett's wife then changed her story and said the fight wasn't fixed but she was about to divorce corbett and wanted to get back at him because this was corbett's wife not mccoy sorry um jesus christ then julia corbett's wife not McCoy sorry um Jesus Christ then Julia Corbett's wife was embarrassed by the scandal and divorced him over not Corbett kid McCoy sorry uh then didn't divorce him and all this type of thing but she ended up she ended up meeting a Yale coxswain from the rowing crew team who she went to Japan with.

She ran away to Japan with, which is crazy. So then she found another one here. Okay. She got married to Indianola Arnold. Remember I told you that one in 1903. She played Dorothy in the original Wizard of Oz on Broadway, on stage. Yeah. She toured around.

She's the original Wizard of Oz on Broadway, on stage. Yeah, she tore it around. She's the original Dorothy. Interesting. He, Jesus Christ, the kid, what does it say here? Okay, yes, got hitched to, blah, blah, blah. The kid also got hitched, as it were, to Lionel Barrymore, an admirer studying, Lionel Barrymore, studying McCoy for the part of Kid Gravy. Oh, that's right. Lionel Barrymore, by the way, the part of Kid Gravy. Oh, that's right.

Lionel Barrymore, by the way, is Drew Barrymore's great-grandfather. Is that right? Yeah, because then there's John Barrymore. Her whole family's Hollywood royalty. That's why. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's why. This guy wanted to cast him in a movie after that.

There we go. Okay. A playwright could see the resemblance between Barrymore and McCoy from a half block away. They want him to play Barrymore. Apparently he looks like him. Wow. I guess it was easy to mistake one for the other.

There you go. Barrymore's success with the part was no less pronounced in 1903, 1904 than McCoy's identification with the play, which he attended nightly to see himself reenacted. Yeah, apparently Barrymore did a show about him and where Barrymore played McCoy. And McCoy showed up every night to watch it because he's a narcissist. 1904, he declares bankruptcy. The kid does. Yeah.

1905 is when he married the heiress. There you go. And 1904, by the way, his bankruptcy, said he had twenty five thousand dollars worth of debts and no assets. The debts included one of three hundred twenty dollars for clothing and one of five hundred sixty nine dollars for repairs to a, quote, fast red car. A fast one. Yep. So that's when he married the heiress. After that, he married the heiress. In 1906, holy shit, he was head of a firm of diamond dealers, and everybody said they were smuggling diamonds.

They're smugglers is what they are. In 1907, he was the superintendent of the National Detective Agency. What is that? What the fuck? He said he wasn't suited for this um he said that he had read arthur sir he had read arthur conan doyle and edgar allen poe and uh he said quote try as i will i cannot detect though it's like i tried i want so bad to view them but i can't do it so he started selling and racing cars and he was caught speeding and fined and lost his license. He, quote, dug up a load of ancestors to fill out bare branches of his family tree because he wanted to break into high society.

So he was trying to find out if he knew anybody. Am I related to anybody important? Oh, my God. And also, according to The Telegraph, he made claims upon $200 million estate of Lord Hume of London, to whom he said he was closely related. You can just do that? Place claim on millions of dollars and be like, we're blood. Work in. Jesus Christ, I have no idea.

He invested in, he would trade in jewelry lost his money there he again declared bankruptcy after he rich lady divorced him he's a fucking mess basically he then sailed to Europe and sparred with a Belgian poet Maurice Meiter I'm sure people know who that is if they know poetry

but I don't then he settled in London to run a quote physical regeneration establishment. Selling dick pills? What are you doing there? At a fashionable hotel. It's probably like a spa, physical regeneration at a fashionable hotel. There he wrote a reporter at the Washington Star in 1912, quote, this is what a reporter wrote about him, quote,

one feels that McCoy is constantly posing. At the present time, a 10 minute talk with the ex-pugilist is sure to include a little new thought, a mixed philosophy culled from a more or less complete reading of Hegel, Kant and Nietzsche and Nietzsche and and sprinkling of his own unique personality. He was arrested as a jewel smuggler. Mistaken identity. Apologized the British police. I am very pleased to be exonerated, said McCoy. I was never dishonest in my life. In my life.

Not even that fight. He then becomes a trainer here. For fighters? For whoever. Here's an article from 1905. He will handle the ball players if they will follow instructions. Oh, Charles Kidd McCoy, boxer and expert on physical culture, may train the champion giants in the South. McCoy is now in Hot Springs and is said he has taken kindly to the suggestion that he, too.

What the fuck? That's something. The preliminary work of President Brush's men in the training camp. Manager McGraw. Fucking. No, Tug is the 70s. John McGraw. Yeah.

He's one of the fucking most famous people in baseball history. He was a manager for 50 years and shit. He was huge of the Giants. This is the New York Giants we're talking about. This is crazy. Manager McGraw and McCoy may have discussed the subject several times in Hot Springs, but arrangements for the actual engagement of McCoy have not

been completed. McCoy and McGraw are warm friends while discussing athletics and other evening and other while discussing athletics the other evening, the subject of McCoy going south to get the New York players into physical trim came up. I'll go in a minute, said McCoy, and I'll venture to say that if your players follow my instructions,

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whatever i don't know if it's true or not but and your misread was way way worse and increase vigor of menstruation increase well it says increase vigor and banish pains of menstruation. So increase your vigor, not the vigor of your menstruation. That's true. Next up, it says social tragedy. Look at this. I got to show you this. Roll your chair over here.

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I'm too hysterical. How could I pick it out? How could a lady pick it out when she's all hysterical all the time? How could I pick it out? How could a lady pick it out when she's all hysterical all the time? Next up, come for, apparently this is a night at Keith's. This is a theater of some kind. These are the acts.

The Great Golden, comic juggler and skillful illusionist. A big hit. Yeah. Oh, boy. Reno and Richards, comedy acrobats in a screamingly funny act i bet it's hilarious comedy acrobatics funny enough yeah look he hit his how many times do you hit your head foy and clark an original eccentric comedian and clever singing song brit soul salbert okay uh ida mule the dainty comic opera singer in character songs with changes so everything's funny she makes parody songs she's a weird al that's exactly what it is in character songs with changes um katherine osterman assisted by thomas toother in a one-act farce the kickapoo okay master joe santley boy soprano then there's mimic for burlesque comedians

and vocalists morton and elliot musical oddities ew palfrey a trick bicyclist um millie christina's train dogs and monkeys and other attractions wow prices are 75 cents for right at the ringside there 50 cents for the circle 50 cents for the balcony not hurry up because the boy soprano is going to go through puberty and ruin his career to ruin everything so he decides to box more in 1905 because he's broke he's declaring bankruptcy and shit here he fights let's see his next five fights he fights a guy that's debuting jack crawford beats him in the first round he fights peter mar again yeah who now is 131 23 and 7 oh boy he's fought a lot

he knocks him out in the second round um here he next up he fights jim stewart apparently um newspaper decision from the new york times this is what it says. Thoroughly buffaloed, Stewart froze and refused to lead, even running away from McCoy in the third and fourth rounds. The fans jeered the bigger man and called for McCoy to finish him, but McCoy was exhausted from chasing Stewart around the ring. So it's a win on decision

points here. Couldn't do it. He then beats Jack Fitzgerald here. It's a slow fight decision in six rounds next up he fights bob day here and knocks him out in the minute and 35 seconds he fights kid l who's 16 and 0 coming into this fight oh and knocks him out in the first round so kid w kid l is more like it here the kid l oh kid lost the kid lost yeah no kid our kid won kid mccoy beat kid l okay um Kid L is more like it here. Kid L, definitely. Oh, Kid Lost? Kid Lost, yeah. No, our Kid won.

Kid McCoy beat Kid L. Okay. Next up, Jim Savage here. Apparently, in the fourth round, apparently McCoy looked like shit the first three rounds and looked out of gas, and the guy was just doing whatever he wanted. In the fourth round, Savage dropped his gloves

and said, Right here, motherfucker. He did like Love After Lockup. Yeah. Stuck his jaw out. McCoy did and knocked him out cold. Knocked his puss ass out. That's right.

Exactly what he did. Don't do that to a professional fighter. Never. He knows how to punch. Right. Next up, he beats Harry Croxon in three rounds there. Next up, George Gunther he beats by points. Next up, this will be his last fight, I believe, here.

He fights Petty Officer Matthew Nutty Curran. Yeah, fights an actual. An actual, yeah, 1912 because the war is starting. World War I in Europe is kicking off here. And he is a British seaman. Okay. There you go. He is a British seaman. There you go. This fight goes all 20 rounds.

Oh, boy. All 20 rounds, apparently. The bout was scheduled for 20. He's 40 years old at this point. Or 39. We don't know. Apparently, it says three quarters of the way through it, McCoy's feet had gone nearly flat.

His nerves were snapping in his body like little twigs. The fuck does that mean? Suddenly the timekeeper sitting by the ring in his evening clothes, took a tall glass of whiskey and soda from an attendant and placed it carefully on the apron of the ring. A moment later, kid ran into a punch on purpose from current fell to the floor near the time capers. Keeper seat snatched up the highball and drank

it. He needed a drink mid-fight. The fight went the full distance. It was close, but McCoy got the win on points. Really? He's got about 81 wins, somewhere between 76 and 81 wins. Six

losses that we know of, nine no decisions, and six disqualifications of different kinds not bad that's a great career absolutely um 1913 he was running an auto bluff what is that that is and advising the chicago news get your bluff in first that's a rule of life that applies to motoring as well as fighting i think he's racing is what he is here so uh That's a rule of life that applies to motoring as well as fighting. I think he's racing is what he is here. So he's doing all of this shit. He also goes to, he does some World War I tour in Europe.

Here, goes on a fight tour, like an exhibition tour for the troops. And McCoy and a group of boxing friends apparently got too close to the fighting at the German front lines during World War I. Holy shit. One boxer was killed and four were injured oh my god yeah well on his way back to america he was arrested on charges of grand larceny by the belgian government stealing cars or something something well he was alleged to have stolen 250 000 worth of jewelry. Oh. Belonging to, which is like $40 million. That's so much money. Belonging to the Belgian princess. You stole the princess's jewelry? That's not a good thing.

His friends maintained he was innocent and that it was a case of mistaken identity. He was later released and returned to the United States. He also, around this time, entered sort of some service things here he went into the he served with the national guard along the mexican border and as a recruiter while other accounts of him have him in the army as a boxing instructor so either way the government pays him for a while then he becomes an actor oh a bunch of silent

films he's in uh 1916 betty of graystone starring Dorothy Gish, which was one of the, she was a big star back then. Right. Super big star here. He plays Weed's son. Whatever that is. Whatever that is. 1918, The House of Glass. Ooh.

He plays Detective Carroll in this one here. 1919, he also fights again for some reason. He fights a guy named Steve Dalton and beats him in four rounds on points. Oh, no, this is a reffing fight. That's a reff. He didn't fight that. He reffed that fight. Next up, 1919, he's in Broken Blossoms.

Yeah, the description is, a frail waif abused by her brutal boxer father in london's seedy limehouse district is befriended by a sensitive chinese immigrant with tragic consequences okay that's wow directed by d directed by d.w griffith by the way who's a very famous director and kind of the first made the isn't he the one who made birth of a nation though? That's not good. I don't know. That's the story of basically like,

uh, no, no, no. Birth of a nation is about how great the clan is. And like, it's crazy. Yeah.

It helped repopularize the clan in the early 1900s. Oh my God. Yeah. It was fucking ridiculous. So this one starred Lillian Gish. So the Gish girls like him. He plays a prize fighter. No shit.

Next up, The Hushed Hour. He's in here. The four grown children of prominent Judge Appleton each spend one hour of meditation at his funeral to honor his last request, which allows them to see their lives unfold before them. He plays Kid McCoy. Okay. It's a bunch of people who sit and then see their lives unfold before them. He plays Kid McCoy. Okay, yeah. It's a bunch of people who sit and then have their lives. It's meditative dreams bullshit.

It's a way to get dream sequences in. Right. That's all. Next up, he's in a movie called Secret Service. And that's the description. Louis Dumont, a northern officer in the American Civil War, works undercover behind Confederate lines in an attempt to lead southern forces away from an area in which a northern attack is planned. But Dumont falls in love with a southern girl when she proves useful to his plan. His conscience begins to tear at him.

Everything's Romeo and Juliet. It's all they made back then. It's all forbidden love. Well, it has to be these big gestures because it's silent. So it has to be just, I want you, I want you, oh God, and hold your chest and put your arms out. He plays Lieutenant Foray. Next, he's in Eyes of Youth. A young woman at a crossroads is shown what her future would be like for each choice.

Another one with like a dream sequence where your life is mapped out. He plays Dick Brownell at that point. Dick Brown, that's not good. He plays Dick Brownell at that point. Dick Brown, that's not good. 1920, Dick Brownell. He's in The Honey Bee, this one here. Jesus Christ. He plays Carpentier in this one, right? There's apparently a bunch of fighting and boxing in this movie.

The 14th Man he's in next. What is that? During a quarrel at a Scottish inn, Captain Gordon wounds another officer and flees to New York with Detective Jenks on his trail. Once there, he meets Marjorie Seton, an heiress whose uncle, Tid Marsh, is trying to marry to the profligate Windsor. This is too much. I don't know who the fuck these people are. He's trying to woo her away from him. Yeah.

these people are he's trying to woo her away from him yeah um he started stars a guy named robert warwick who kids in a few of robert warwick's movies this guy worked until the 60s really like yeah all in movies and then all the beginning of television he's in tons of television like if you if you're older and you watch tv in the late 50s and early 60s, you'd see this guy and go, oh, yeah, that guy. Like, you know exactly who he is. Yeah, exactly, obviously. Except very white. He plays Dwight Sylvester in this one, McCoy does. Now, he's got other issues here. He gets married at this point to Dagmar Dahlgren.

Yeah. She's now, a.k.a. Carmen Crowder. Dagmar Dahlgren's her stage name. They get married in Los Angeles, April 22nd, 1920. They live together for three days. And then she decides this is crazy. He seems like a pain in the ass to be around. Yeah.

Their divorce is finalized September 20th. So they're married for like five months. Hilarious. Total. Legally. September 20th. So they're married for like five months. Hilarious.

Total. Legally. Next up in 1920, he's at a quote from the newspaper here, New York Herald. Notable gathering of former title holders revives stirring memories of their famous fights. So he's there. During this, by the way, there's a mixed martial arts fight. There's an MMA fight on the card. This is 1920.

Let me read this to you. Quote, a Japanese of jujitsu proclivities and a German wrestler with boxing gloves on his hands were in a boxing ring in the grand ballroom of the Hotel Commodore a few nights ago in an effort to demonstrate the relative merits of pugilism and the bone snapping tactics of

the Japanese man. So that's MMA. That's to see which UFC is beginning. That's exactly what which, you know, UFC is beginning. That's exactly what it is. It looked like a tussle between a terrier and a mastiff. The novelty of the combat held the attention of the large and notable gathering, including which were judges of the Supreme court, an operatic prima Donna legislators,

scientists, and men and women of prominent and professions and business. Everybody loves it. Everybody loves it. Everybody loves it. Yeah, and they go on to talk about the fight, which doesn't fucking matter. So seated near Corbett was Norman Selby, who boxed under the name Kid McCoy. He was a notable performer with gloved hands while lacking the avoid your rip post necessary. Avoid your pro.

I don't know what the fuck that is. Necessary for contests with the ring giants of those days, with a most dangerous opponent for anyone large or small. McCoy still wears the same cold, sneering look on his pale face that his adversaries saw as they looked across the ring to a combat with the originator of the corkscrew punch. Oh, boy. They also bring up that his complexion gives an impression of ill health in this and everything else. Oh, my God. He looks today as he did on a memorable occasion in a Western town where he had been matched to fight the village champion, burly red-necked heavy

muscled chap uh-huh after one look at the pale emaciated mccoy the village favorite declared that he would not fight as he did not desire to be locked up on a charge of manslaughter only after assurances from those acquainted with mccoy's boxing reputation did the local champion consent to go on with the bout in less than a minute of the first round mccoy right mccoy's boxing reputation did the local champion consent to go on with the bout. In less than a minute of the first round, McCoy's right collided with his opponent's chin and the big chap crashed to the ring floor. There you go. Fucking idiot. That's his thing. That's what he does.

1921, he stars in, not stars in, he's in a movie called Straight from the Shoulder. These are westerns he's in now. This is Bill Higgins arrives in a small western mining town and immediately causes trouble with the residents. There we go. This stars a man named Buck Jones. Buck Jones worked until the 40s doing westerns. Really? He's in a million of them.

A lot of them were a string of movies under the character of Marshall Buck Roberts was his name so he made a ton of movies that which were like the Marshall Buck Roberts movies back then they used to make a whole series of they make 20 movies about a main character just like a tv show they didn't have tv so it was basically like a season of right John Wayne was essentially the most current of that same shit yeah exactly um, these movies are, and the names of the movies, the guys in Marshall Buck Roberts' movies, Gunman from Bodie, Arizona Bound,

Riders of Death Valley, White Eagle, Wagons Westward, California Frontier, Law of the Texan, The Stranger from Arizona. You get the idea. They're all the same fucking horse shit. Southwestern horse shit. McCoy plays Bill Higgins in that. he then is in a movie called to a finish which is um some kind of uh it has nothing to do with boxing which is the weird thing has to do with like cattle rustling and shit it's very weird uh it stars

buck jones again he plays mccoy plays wolf gary yeah. Is that like Turkey Creek Jack McCoy or whatever? Yeah. So he then is in Bucking the Line where he plays a guy named Jerry. This is another fucking railroad construction gang at Western shit. 1922, Oathbound. And this one is just, it had no description. It just had a girl tied up on the poster by railroad tracks, like typical old Western shit. Silent movie, villain dumps the woman.

He plays Hicks in that one. He then refs a match that year as well. Refs a match between Reggie Kerr and Tommy Hess. 1922, he almost marries a woman named Jacqueline McDowell. he almost marries a woman named Jacqueline McDowell. Okay. But after embarking on a train from Baltimore to meet him in Los Angeles, she thought better off of it and got off in Detroit and telegrammed him that she's going back home.

Nevermind. She dear John with a telegram with a telegram from Detroit. He then plays Todd. He's in a movie called Tom mix in Arabia. Uh huh. And this is a guy, Tom mix. Yeah. He's a Western actor. He's in a and this is a guy tom mix yeah he's a western actor he's in a shitload of westerns and here he's got a turban on tom jesus and he's holding a quote arab girl

though but it's just a white girl with like a scarf on her head like it's ridiculous uh they uh mccoy plays pussyfoot bogs yeah that was a term and that's not good that's weird no it is 1923 when gail and hurricane met and uh he plays quote gail's opponent oh there you go next up a movie called april showers which was very ahead of its time because it was about peeing on each other so that was was very different. And the follow-up sequel of Mayflowers? Mayflowers, yeah, that probably assumed. This is a comedy, apparently.

He plays a ring manager. He also referees a match that year as well. I bet there's a porn star in April that there's a whole series of dudes just pissing on her. Or she's peeing on them. It's April's showers. 24, he's in a Yeah. April's showers. 24.

He's in a movie called Sherlock's Home. Oh, I'll bet you there's a porn named that. You know there is. And it's quote Gladys falls for a prize fighter who was invited his entire hometown to watch his fight in New York City. However, he gets crazy jealous when he sees Gladys at the fight sitting next to Jimmy. After the bout is over, he sets out for a hotel to teach Jimmy, sets out

for the hotel to teach Jimmy a lesson. I don't know. He's uncredited in that. Also, in this year, he trains Charlie Chaplin to play a fighter in a comedic movie as well. I think I've seen that. There's a picture of him, of charlie chaplin

like all joking with him putting his hands up it's in like a backyard right there's like a big guy kneeling behind him that's kid mccoy is wow that's kid he hung out with charlie is it called the fighter or something like that it might be i don't know i'm not sure i think i've seen it is charlie in like a striped singlet almost? It looks like an old bathing suit. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen it. I've seen that movie.

That's fascinating. There's the picture of them training and it's in the backyard and Charlie's like, you know, put him up, like making the silly thing. And McCoy's just behind him with his chest out, like kneeling down. I love Charlie and it really bothers me how much he loved children. I hate it so much. Yeah, that is bad. He's the Woody Allen of his time.

Yeah, it's so awful. He really is. It's bad. Although, at least Charlie Chaplin didn't marry his adopted daughter. It's a little better. And Charlie made amazing movies. They are so good. They're still so good.

No, Charlie was talented as fuck back then. He, by the way, at one point when McCoy was being sued for something, he was in court. He, by the way, at one point when McCoy was being sued for something, he was in court. Chaplin was in court in the same courthouse at the same time suing someone for stealing his act. Some guy was dressing up like Charlie Chaplin going around saying he was Charlie Chaplin. Back then you could do that. Well, Charlie, you should probably still be arrested for child molestation. And then there's that.

Hey, that's perfectly legal back then, pal. I married her. I married her i married her so mccoy kid was charged with fraud when he was associated with an oil stock scandal um when he allowed his name to be used to scam some shit um he also liked to drive his car very fast he was hauled into court for speeding on wilshire boulevard in california there yeah was clocked at, are you ready for this fucking speed? We've had a lot of speeds. We've had a lot of speeds.

130, we've had guys. 33 miles an hour. Oh, you speed. You fucking maniac. You maniac. Maniac. Do you know I found out today that today's the anniversary of the very first automobile death? Do you want to know how fast that car was going?

Eight. Fucking eight. Oh, yeah. Eight, yeah. How'd you not get out of the anniversary of the very first automobile death. Do you want to know how fast that car was going? Eight. Fucking eight. Oh, yeah. Eight. Yeah. How'd you not get out of the way of it? It was just made of things that would crumble and cut your body to pieces. So he files for bankruptcy again.

He ends up meeting an attractive woman who just happens to be married. And she's in the process of filing for divorce, but it's because of him. Her name is Mrs. Teresa Moores, and her husband Albert was a wealthy antiques dealer in Hollywood. And what a lot of people said was kind of an underground, an underworld kind of cat, too. Oh. Yeah, he's one of these kind of half kind of gangster guys here. Now, he also tries to get a job at this point. Kid McCoy does.

He goes to he goes to a large life insurance company and he approached them for a job. And the guy who interviewed him said Selby, Norman Selby, told me he was anxious to do something that would be a credit to his former profession. He told me that Billy Sunday had done such a thing for baseball when he entered the ministry and he wanted to reflect credit to prize fighting in some similar way. He was impressed by opportunities offered in selling life insurance. Oh, there you go. But he doesn't get that job or he doesn't take that job because let's talk a little more about Teresa Moores here. Teresa Weinstein was her original name. Moores is her married name.

Teresa Weinstein was her original name. Moores is her married name. She was about to divorce Albert E. Moores, her husband, here when she starts hooking up with McCoy. She is apparently a very pretty lady. Albert's a very rich man. And they don't know how they met, but apparently there was a police matter at some point, and the police were taking record of who everybody was. The police listed McCoy as Teresa's bodyguard in a report. The police had been called in by Moores, who complained, by Albert Moores, the husband, that his wife, Teresa, and McCoy had used him roughly. Interesting.

Apparently, Teresa and McCoy came over to have a chat with Albert about how the property was going to be divided in a divorce and tried to scare the shit out of him. And this guy called the cops. So that's how it went. And he was roughing him up a little bit. And there you go. And apparently during this, he didn't even beat up McCoy, didn't even beat up Albert Moores. Teresa was the one that punched Moores in the mouth. And then when Albert Moores went to go back at her, McCoy protected her, said, don't you

take another step. So anyway, they ended up getting a divorce. So McCoy and Teresa take an apartment together under the names Mr. and Mrs. N. Shields. What? Because back then you couldn't be, no apartment would let you live in. Oh. You're half divorced. You're, you know, you'd have to act like you were a married couple.

Some sin around here. Mm-hmm. They said that there was a, basically he wanted to marry her. That's where this is going. And she didn't want to get married right then because they fight all the time and she's in the middle of getting a divorce. So he apparently, before all this started,

he had been working as a bodyguard for Albert, carrying a gun and everything. So that's why I think Albert might be a little shady here. But then he was banging the wife and all that sort of thing. Um, now this all happened. They're living together. And on the night of August 11th into the morning of August 12th,

1924, some crazy shit happens here. T I Hollingsworth, a night watchman at a garage adjoining Nottingham apartments where McCoy and Mrs. Moore's lived as you know, a couple there. He's going to have some shit to say. Also, B.S. Brockman, Barackman, manager of the Wilshire Pharmacy at 7th and Hoover.

He would later say that McCoy was in the pharmacy on three different occasions between 8 and 9 o'clock on August 11th there at night. He said McCoy was obviously intoxicated. And they said a meeting later on, they said that McCoy said that he wasn't drunk and they tried to argue with the guy that he was drunk. And Barakman said to him, you're pretty drunk, kid. Don't get in any trouble. And he said, I'm in trouble already and left. That was that. And he said, I'm in trouble already and left. That was that.

So now Hollingsworth, the other guy, T.I. Hollingsworth, he said McCoy came to his garage at 1130 p.m. and drove away in a new Cadillac sedan. This was Teresa's car that had been in the garage. Oh. All right. He said the garage guy said it's the first time McCoy ever came to the garage without Teresa. But, you know, whatever. So he comes home drunk, and Teresa, they get in an argument, apparently. Apparently, Teresa was telling him that her friends didn't like him, and he wasn't good enough, and that she was going to go back to her husband, and all of this type of shit, okay?

They get into a fight. At some point, he punched her and knocked some teeth out. Right. Of her mouth. Then it gets worse. A few minutes after midnight, a neighbor hears a woman's voice cry out, quote, oh, my God, don't do that, over and over again. Oh, boy. Okay.

Then came a single gunshot. All right. The neighbor investigated, but only trying to figure out what was in there. They tried the door to their apartment, and it was locked. So 10 a.m. the next morning, the janitor comes in, and they have like a cleaning service. The janitor comes in and finds Teresa lying dead on the floor of the bedroom. Okay. She'd been shot once in the left temple. A 32 pistol was within 10 feet of her.

And a photograph of kid McCoy was in her hand across her chest. Okay. It was in a locket. There was a locket with a photograph of kid McCoy in a bathing suit in there. And, uh, also, um, clearly visible was a suicide note as well in the suicide note it's not her suicide note it's a suicide note signed norman selby leaving his estate to his mother but she's dead okay now at some point here he did this we'll

talk about what he did because he did more than that. He then got shit faced after he killed her at some point here. He got shit faced and drove around looking for Albert to take care of him, too. He's like, well, killed her. Might as well kill Albert, Albert, too. So he returned to the garage where the Hollingsworth guy is at about one thirty a.m. and left, left the car there and left in about 15 minutes he came back again and drove the car away again mccoy does um he was in hollywood after 3 a.m and that

two hollywood police officers drove him home where he would he got probably pulled over for being shit-faced they drove him home yeah yeah uh straight young man yep where he was registered at his apartment as mr and mrs shields mccoy according to the report of the officers was intoxicated when they picked him up near the hollywood police station he had sufficient presence of mind however to keep the officers out of his apartment when they attempted to enter it after taking him there uh in their report officers said they noticed the bed was down it's one of those murphy beds and that there was a pile of bedding on the floor the bed was down, it's one of those Murphy beds, and that there was a pile of bedding on the floor.

The detectives believed that Mrs. Moore's body was there when they had gone to the apartment. The bullet entered a half inch in front of the left ear and lodged behind the left eye, the autopsy showed. She also was stabbed and cut a couple of times. Laceration of

the upper lip, three quarters of an inch in extent and completely through the lip, and a cut a half inch deep and five-eighths of an inch long on the left forearm. That's where he sliced her with a knife. Approximately one inch below the wrist. And a puncture wound on the right side of the chest.

Contusions on both arms and abrasions on the outer side of the right hip he beat the shit out of her too he did yeah knocked her around stabbed her and killed her on the chest was found laceration or cut on the underside of the left forearm another about an inch long like we said and uh all three of these cuts even the lip cut appeared to be made by a knife really cut her three different times with a knife. I thought maybe he split the lip open when he punched her, but no, broke a tooth and cut it or something, but no. The cut on the knife could not have been made by a blow, it was said.

Neither the gum nor the inside of the lip was injured in that spot. There were bruises on the underside of both upper arms. The.32 caliber Brevet automatic from which the bullet caused death was evidently fired, was laying on the floor approximately 10 feet from the body when the officers arrived. So about 4 a.m. he came back to the garage and drove. And this is with the Hollywood police officer. They drove him there, then drove him home. This is crazy.

Just hanging out with him for the fucking night. So they said by that point he was so drunk he could hardly stand up. And then in about, they left, McCoy and the officer left the garage. Then 20 minutes later, McCoy returned to get the car. Once the cops, seeing that he was too drunk to drive, really, Hollingsworth said, tried to get him to not take the car. He said, come on, don't take the car. And McCoy said he was, quote, going to Central Station. Hollingsworth said, I tried to keep him from going and even offered to drive him down there and return in a taxi cab. But he only laughed and said, oh, you don't know. You don't know what I know.

And then left because he had killed somebody. He like nah this isn't about convenience where he went was to his sister jenny's house apparently uh to tell her that he killed tess which is theresa and he had nothing more to live for so he just drank the rest of the night and um he even said at one point here he he was screaming all sorts of weird shit like he'd just like be like I love her so much like he'd just yell he's nuts so the next morning he goes to the antique shop that Albert Morris owns intent on getting him now too

okay so he's been drinking all night driving around like a maniac he wants to kill Albert Albert's not there he's not at the shop well a bunch of other people who mccoy then held at gunpoint the manager the secretary several customers um all sorts of shit he said nobody ever loved anyone like i love tests i go to the electric chair for her the witnesses yeah um he stuffed money into the suit of a customer who confessed to

carrying no cash and the other it's so weird he gave this guy money i don't have any cash and then he gave him money they were like what the fuck he had he had two other men stripped to their underwear okay then another guy tried to run out and escape and he shot him in the leg oh my god mccoy bucked a shot off in the leg. Oh, my God. McCoy bucked a shot off in the leg. Then he ordered one of the people that work there to, quote, strike up some music on that phonograph. Going to need a soundtrack to this. Yeah, he wanted like some show tunes or some shit, which is fucking crazy.

Then he gets in his car, speeds over to the millinery shop owned by one of his friends here, and he shoots both of these people as well. Oh my, what? For some reason. Doesn't kill them, but shoots them and wounds them. It's fucking insane. It's absolutely nuts.

So he told, yeah, when he was at the lunch store at Moore's Place, he told everybody to take off their shoes and pants, put a dance record on the phonograph, and then went through the pockets of them for money. Then he cursed them. They said that it was the

most foul-mouthed thing they've ever heard, all the things he was saying. The guy who tried to escape, he shot him. Another hostage was a 19-year-old man who was about to get married, a guy named Francis. He found out he was soon to be married. So McCoy gathered up all the money he stole from everyone three hundred dollars which was a lot back then pretty good and gave it to this guy as a wedding present here you go you

take that for you guys you kids start out right i'm drunk robin hood it's beautiful this woman later returned the yeah the money though she's like i can't take this shit so um anyway um he then got a oh i'm sorry albert moores never showed up though yeah he never showed up he went and got a haircut and uh after he got his haircut his brand new cadillac wouldn't start so he couldn't make it to the shop uh-huh so there you go he's saved his fucking life so then mccoy went looking for booze um or looking for his friend, the schnapps people. I thought he was looking for schnapps, the booze. He's looking for schnapps, his friend.

His friend called him a bum. So he shot and wounded him. Oh, boy. So, yeah. Then he Jesus Christ, he did all this type of shit. And he said this was because he was angry later on. They think it was cause he was angry that he test wasn't going to give him any money.

It's fucking crazy. So either way they get him in and question him. And he said she killed herself. I didn't do anything. It was suicide. She's very sad. So she cut herself up, bruised herself and shot herself in the head.

Then when herself good, then made sure that I went down and shot up her husband's employees sent me off to he said almost murder people no shit he said quote she shot herself i tell you she was moody haven't you read all these fucking ads we didn't give her we need to give her vagina pills or something i don't know She needs a whirling douche. She needs vegetable compound now. She was moody and we were talking when all of a sudden she tried to stab herself with a bread knife. Then she grabbed a gun and shot herself.

Dear Teresa died in my arms. That's a bad story. Died in my arms. Yeah. Holy shit. Died in my arms. Yeah. Holy shit. Died in my arms. So there he is with his beloved just dead limp in his arms. Why, Lord? Why did you let this happen to her?

Oh, God. Oh, God, tell me why. And just at that point, there's a thunderclap and the skies open up. And who's there? It is God. And God says to him. How is it you've come to arrive here, my son? Look at you.

Look at... Not only have you killed someone, which I sort of frown on. I'll do it a lot, but I don't let others. That's not part of the whole thing. Not only that, but your story is complete bullshit. Sir, I'm sorry. It's just terrible. No one complete bullshit, sir. I'm sorry. It's just terrible. No one's buying it. No one's buying it.

You shouldn't be selling it is what I'm telling you right now. I saw it from up here, like you said. I saw it. What you did was terrible. You've been full of shit your entire life. You have no redeeming value at this point. And frankly, I'm embarrassed that I created you. Really.

You ever make a meal, and you burn it, and then you present it to people, and you want them to eat. That's all you have, so you made it, so you give that to them, but you know they don't want it. That's you. That's what I look at. I look at you like a burnt piece of chicken. You're my burnt chicken. That's how lousy you are. I'm sorry it's dry. Just say it over and over again. Fix what you're my burnt chicken that's how lousy you are sorry it's dry just say it over and

over again fix what you're doing is what i mean or learn how to make a good sauce to go on top of it but you're are terrible goodbye poof and in a cloud of angels and doves and clouds he's gone and and uh he's like how drunk am i mccoy holy shit. So they don't know what to do with him. They bring him in and they're like, well, did she kill herself? And then they don't know if he's crazy. They don't know what happened. So eventually, though, the prosecutor comes out and says, we have sufficient evidence now to convict McCoy on a charge of murder. Following the inquest and probably next Tuesday, I will place the entire matter before the grand jury and ask

that indictments on all charges are now against the prisoner so they're going to charge him with murder and they do charge him with murder um his own sister went and talked to the cops and told him everything that he said and he came over to her house and said oh my god i killed my sister right so or i killed tess oh my god this is terrible i did this this is awful it's not fucking good um at all so um now it's fucking crazy so now they go to court okay they go to trial and um they said they have sufficient evidence they can do this the prosecutor says we have a good murder case and perfect cases on the other charges, which are assault with a deadly weapon, intent to murder highway robbery, all those things that he did literally,

literally, literally highway robbery. Um, he asked lawyer Lewis Jones, um, to defend him, uh, here.

And, he told Jones, stick around kid. You'll see more fun here than you ever have in a courtroom in your life. He's like, I'm going to make it a party. Yeah. So the DA had to demonstrate that Teresa had been shot from behind in cold blood.

But, you know, all that kind of shit. So, Jesus Christ. McCoy, they say, is in a mental. This is his lawyer says McCoy is in a state of mental shock now. And we do not think he should be allowed to talk until his mind clears up if it ever does yeah we feel that there is no doubt he was mentally unbalanced when he appeared at the store and many of his friends feel that he had

not been mentally right for a long time maybe it's for being beaten for 25 rounds at a time who knows he testifies though wow he testifies the New York Times call said he looked like a quote mannequin perched on a ventriloquist knee. That's how they described him.

Okay. They said then he began to rehearse gesture by silent screen gesture the sad evening of August 12th. Teresa killed herself. She was the light of my life, and I never loved a woman really until I met her. He said they'd been in their apartment drinking scotch and soda out of a silver cup. He made sandwiches. Tess asked him to cut hers into morsels, which he did with a kitchen knife that she abruptly took to plunge into her bosom. He struggled with her, wrestled the knife away.

Somehow she got a hold of his pistol. Another struggle. And it says here Selby wrestled himself, stepping about with the agility of a younger kid McCoy in the throes of a scene of shadow boxing. He did a whole pantomime performance of how he did it. The gun went off for a moment. He did not know which of them had been shot. When that was when that was obvious, he decided to end it all. He rested tests on the floor, nestled a photograph of himself in her arms, and lay down beside her. Wrote his own suicide note and then didn't kill himself.

The verdict comes in. The jury deliberates for 78 hours. Jesus! That's a while. And they find him, quote, guilty of manslaughter. Really? Is what they find him guilty of. The jury was split between first-degree murder and acquittal, so they made a compromise of manslaughter really is what they find him guilty of the jury was split between first degree murder and acquittal so they made a compromise of manslaughter you're saying this oj shit is it's been going on for years that's wild man uh the sentence here you sir may fuck off 10 years for the for the manslaughter yeah assault to Assault to commit murder, seven years. Robbery, seven years. Assault with a deadly weapon, six years.

And they're to run all consecutively for a total of 24 years. Not bad. That's what he's got to go. So, yep, he denied it, though. He said, I could always fight the men, but not the women. Couldn't do that. I have a soft spot for women. So, I mean, this guy's fucked.

You don't want to be Norman Selby, Kid McCoy. You really don't. I mean, you almost feel bad for him with all this brain damage, but not nearly as bad as I feel for Norman Selby, executive director at FIG, FIG in New Jersey. It's the Franklin Investment Group is what that is. Norman Selby retired at the Holy Trinity Lutheran Church in York Springs, Pennsylvania. And Norman C. Selby, chairman, Real Endpoints LLC as well. These poor bastards. In prison, he's a model prisoner.

He raises canaries and teaches newcomers the ropes. Wow. Yes. He is assigned to work in the jute mill. It was a large building filled with weaving machines to make burlap bags for the farmers of the San Joaquin Valley. Oh, God. What a terrible job. Big potato sacks.

Yeah. They were required to produce, each inmate required to produce 100 yards of material a day. It's known as a very noisy, worst job there is there um so apparently he nobody fucked with him at all because they all knew who he was the who's who of hollywood would come to the prison by ferry to visit him including such celebrities as al jolson sophie tucker and lionel barrymore wow yeah hanging out with him um he uh did all of this at San Quentin here, and then he was on chain gangs as well here to clean up roads. And then he ended up being like the intake guy. Like, he would show new guys around.

Yeah. Basically there. Then he becomes head of the San Quentin Fire Department. What? They make him the fire chief. I guess San Quentin would have a fire chief. Shit would catch on fire all the time, so he would do that,

and he did there. He was the chief of the San Quentin Fire Department, and the warden said he was very proud to have Kid McCoy in his prison, and he was a good subject to talk to about at any civic meeting. He said he was a good subject to talk to about about a good subject to talk about at any civic meeting. So he was great and terrific.

He during his prison time here, he famous people petitioned to get him out to get a pardon. Also, the warden and the governor, the warden, they were all petitioning to the governor to get him out. Vice President of the United States, Charles curtis wrote a letter for him general douglas mcarthur wrote a letter for him mcarthur holy shit yeah uh henry ford wrote him a letter what wrote a letter for him and gentleman jim corbett the guy he fought with a bunch yeah all these people so he was denied parole a couple of times here but henry ford because he didn't

have a job lined up henry ford heard about it and said let him out and he's mine i'll give him a job i'll take care of him he's my guy so he gets him out and he was the athletic director at the ford plants in detroit like their softball teams and shit. Keep them fucking athletic. Do they treat them like Nike where they get them out to play all the time? Possibly, yeah. I don't know. They probably have a softball team. I mean, that's probably a big deal. He also appointed later on appointed Selby director of the guards for the 12,000 company thrift gardens.

Off work, he spoke to church groups about everything and dietary causes of juvenile delinquency. He said posture and diet causes juvenile delinquency. You've got to be kidding me. Stand up straight and have a sandwich or you'll you'll steal shit. If your parents don't tell you to stand up straight and don't feed you, then, yeah, you might be a juvenile delinquent. That's more about what you're how you're being neglected than anything else it's not the cause um he also yeah 1932 he so he works for henry ford then he witnesses 1935 he witnesses a boat overturning on lake michigan with seven family members aboard uh-huh so he rushed into the water and rescued five children, repeatedly diving to pull each child to safety.

He went down to get them. The parents didn't survive, but he saved all the kids. And by the time he got to the parents, they were dead, but he saved the kids first. For his action, the state of Michigan wanted to bestow on him a medal of bravery, but he refused the honor. I won't take it. I won't take it. Anybody would have done it. 1937, he marries Sue Cobb Cowley.

Time to get married again here. And, yep, he does that. And also 1937, he receives a full pardon for the murder of Teresa Moores. The fuck? Don't know why. He pondered a vaudeville tour then just got married instead and um yeah he uh he grew agitated at this point at the news from europe he got mad at hitler taking over europe and the rise of nazi germany he got all upset about it and he got super depressed and despondent

like yeah he thought the world was over basically and the world's falling apart and i mean it almost did so it almost was over it was over for a lot of people so um he was so depressed he he couldn't he used to usually try to do shit with kids he couldn't do that anymore he said that he would uh he came up with something called health suspenders some kind of thing that you wore that was to help you be healthy and none of the kids liked it and he didn't know what to do and hitler was rising and he didn't know what to do so on april 18th 1940 when uh nazi troops had just gone into denmark he told his wife he had to go to chicago on business apparently the nazis going into denmark he lost his mind and he really was like upset about it told his wife he's going to Chicago on business. He's living in Detroit. He checks in with Detroit Hotel

and eats a shitload of sleeping pills and kills himself. Dead. Stop it. Fucking dead. Hitler killed him? Yeah, well, probably all those blows to the head cause a lot of easily depressed things,

a lot of depression. So, yeah. Wow. He wrote three suicide notes. One to his wife, one to his job, and one to general population here. Stick around a few years, man.

Don't worry. There's a happy ending. I hear it. To whom it may concern, 4-17-40 at the Grand Circus Hotel in Detroit, Michigan on their stationery. This is a screenshot of it

they have here. For the past eight years, I have wanted to help humanity, especially the youngsters who do not know nature's laws. This is in his cursive, so it's hard. That is the people, the something carriage of the body, and the right way to eat, etc. Everything in my possession, I want to go to my dear wife, Sue Selby. To all my dear friends, I wish you

the best of luck. Sorry I couldn't endure the world's madness. The best to you all. Sincerely, Norman Selby. P.S. In my pocket, you will find $17.78. My home address is 119 something park, blah blah and he put his telephone number on it to call his wife why would you put that in your pocket man just put it on

the nightstand so we don't have to touch a corpse no shit the the there's a cop and a hotel manager looking over it and the one said norman selby it says on the note and selby was how he checked in wasn't that uh wasn't that his right name, the detective said? Or he said, the hotel manager said, was that his right name? And the detective said it was his right name, but he was also McCoy, the real McCoy. How about that? And he's dead. Variety magazine, because he's an actor, put an obituary.

It had been a daffy world for McCoy. He had been a convict, social lion, saloon porter, hero of a short story classic, dishwasher, owner of a New York jewelry store and nightclub, a bankrupt film actor, auto racer, confidant of Maurice Mader

Link, and in recent years, a Ford employee. He's done a lot. People, this is one of the Sharky, Tom Sharky, look at he fought the sailor yeah he said quote i'm sorry to hear about mccoy's death for he was a great fighter but you'll have to excuse me if i can't say nice things about him he's kind of a dick yeah he's kind of an asshole here um he said one night quote he came into the ring that night with gloves on uh tommy o'rourke my, ordered the gloves removed.

We found almost a half ton of plaster along with the heavy bandages. A lot of guys did. They put plaster in their gloves. Everybody did that back then. They put thumbtacks in their gloves to cut you. It's fucking crazy. Had the plaster stayed on McCoy, McCoy probably would have knocked me out for keeps. Do you wonder?

I didn't have exactly pleasant memories of McCoy? Then he said, McCoy was probably the hardest hitter in the fight game I ever knew outside of James J. Jeffries. They were betting 10 to 6 McCoy would beat me, and when the kid knocked me down in the first round, the ringside went wild and the odds went from 10 to 3, and it was all over. He's talking about this fight with him.

He also says about Sharky, all of his wives were beautiful and probably all well to do, though I didn't recollect their names at the present. It was women and fast living that finished him. He used to parade the peacock alley of the Waldorf Astoria with a bankroll that would choke a horse. He was always the dandy, too. His word wasn't worth a dime, though.

Yeah, dandy if you do. Dandy if you do. And he was 66 years old, and they later discovered going through his stuff that he'd been working on an autobiography. Oh, really? Called Life Jabs Back. Oh, not bad. Interesting.

1958, Ringside Magazine. He's listed as the number one light heavyweight of all time in the 50 years of Ringside Magazine. Wow. Yep. Published in 58. And it was included in the Ring Magazine's list, this was in the last 20 years, of 100 greatest punchers of all time. list this was in the last 20 years of 100 greatest punchers of all time in 1989 there was a terrible looks like right straight to video movie called brutal glory made it looks like it's like blood sport though it's weird it's called quote the highly fictionalized making and breaking of

norman selby more recognizable as mid uh kidoy, the real-life American middleweight boxing champion from turn of the 20th century. Why do that? His story doesn't need to be fictionalized. It's fucking crazy enough. It's fucking crazy. Yeah, it's nuts. 1991, he was inducted into the World Boxing Council WBC Hall of Fame. You can't do that.

Hall of Famer? You can't do that. He murdered his wife. Oh, well, there's much worse people in the boxing hall of fame. Are't do that hall of famer you know he murdered his wife oh well there's much worse people in the boxing hall of fame you kidding me they've murdered lots of people plus he got he got pardoned there's a way they're looking at it so they don't know what happened they can go we don't know what happened in 1924 see i don't know it says burial is in white chapel memorial park troy oakland county michigan but then it says plot ashes were picked up by the funeral director. So I don't know if he's there or not.

Either way, can't get enough of him. Well, he's been dead for fucking 75 years. So you're going to have to have enough of him. But you can go watch one of those silent movies I told you about. You can't get enough of this. Try to spot him in there because that's it. You're not going to see him fighting. There is one movie of him fighting.

I don't know if I can find it. But him and corbett did a reenactment of their fight that they had a camera crew come a movie set a movie fucking camera crew come and film them do like a 10 round fight against each other so they could show that in like newsreels before films when silent films were shown it's fucking crazy that was like they were like the first people to do that it was pretty interesting so either way there is norman selby charles kid corkscrew kid mccoy the real that's the real mccoy that's a fucking story right there is that is some shit i gotta tell you that's the one that i i mean that's what you want as a movie

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