Crime in Sports - #322 - Hiding On The Top Rope - The Daringness of Jeff Hardy

Episode Date: September 27, 2022

This week, we check out a man who has kept large crowds on their toes, for decades. Whether it's diving off a 20 foot ladder onto their opponent, or being a spectacle in the local police files, he has always been one to watch! He has always been considered one of the best wrestlers, ever, but he never sticks around any promotion long enough to be the backbone, due to his constant drug/alcohol problems, and his general outright refusal to get help, even when his high paying job is on the line. He crashes, he paints himself, he can be a walking disaster! It's Jeff Hardy!!Learn to sew when you're 9 years old, refuse any help, even if your job depends on it, and ride 105 feet down a roadside guardrail with Jeff Hardy!!Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!  Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail]  Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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You bet. Jimmy will mispronounce your name while trying his very, very best to get it correct. That said, damn it. Let's get to this. All right. We had a lot of show and we had a lot of craziness coming up here with a guy who again this is one of these that uh we get probably as many as much as anybody for crime and sports people have been saying when are you going to do it when are you going to do it we've held out this

long for a reason because while the show's been on this guy has stacked up his resume continues as a crime and sports participant here we're going to talk about jeff hardy everybody all right yes we got hardy boys oh man so many people asking for jeff hardy all the time so we have to give you jeff hardy now here's something that's amazing first of all his name is jeffrey is his real name middle name nero nero nero like the emperor who like no not the greek like the emperor greek god no he was a roman emperor there it is who did nothing while the fucking city collapsed and burned he's the one that oversaw the fucking demise of rome so to name your kid that is the dumbest fucking thing why would you name your kid like failure that's the neuro it's the it's synonymous with failure yeah it's completely synonymous with failure it makes no fucking sense

whatsoever why you would name your kid that at all i don't understand you might as well naming your kid after the captain on the titanic i was just gonna say it's the captain on the titanic it's fucking it's insane the pilot of the fucking uh the blimp yeah yeah the hindenburg the hindenburg pilot yeah who's who was in charge there the prosecutor in the serial case you know all these different no lots of different things here so either way not a good thing to name your kid near i don't understand why they decided to i don't know if they had him mixed up with a different a different emperor james thought he was the greek god yeah

they're like ah he's the greek god of so and so and they're like no no no he's the worst emperor rome ever had actually just a gluttonous perverted fucking uh terrible person terrible person who didn't give two shits and got blow jobs while the city fucking went into ruins nice perfect excellent um he is born jeffrey nero hardy on august 31st 1977 so yeah getting up there he's 45 at this point in time his brother matt who is his tag team partner forever and also in wrestling is three years older than him i was i never knew he was three years older i always thought that i thought the gap was tighter than that i thought these fellas were older than that even really no i remember when they came around so i figured they were

about this age because they came because they were children in the mid 90s when they're at least jeff was when they came into this thing. Yeah, Jeff was 16 lying about his age wrestling for WWE. Is that right? Yeah, we'll get into all that, though. Their father, Gilbert, their parents are Gilbert and Ruby Hardy. And Gilbert's a tobacco farmer. Oh, Jesus.

How many people do you know that are – that's like, what year are we in here? You're naming your kid Nero. You're farming tobacco. What's happening? Where are we? What's're naming your kid nero you're farming tobacco what's happening where are we what's going i mean they're from north carolina so i mean that makes sense as far as the tobacco farming goes but holy shit this just doesn't sound like it sounds like he was born in 1777 you know not 1977 we'll name him nero so he can farm the tobacco so his dad's also a part-time mailman as well i guess that's a you can be part-time i suppose just work on the weekends maybe or saturday afternoon route i don't know what the hell he's doing over there just just tuesdays please popping in for a quick sort i don't know so i didn't know there was i didn't know they had part-time positions i didn't either but i guess they do now 1986 87 i'm not sure exactly when because it's different in every account of

it so either way one of those years jeff and matt's mom ruby dies of cancer oh fuck yeah out of i mean he's nine years old for christ's sake when this happens that's perhaps it's because she's laying next to a tobacco plant i was gonna say to say it's just osmosis. Osmosis cancer she has. I don't even smoke. She's laying next to a carcinogen. Ma'am, we found out that your pillows are stuffed with tobacco and you have giant tobacco leaves as sheets. So we figured eight hours a day that you've been encasing your whole body in tobacco is leaked into you. And we're very sorry, but it's absolutely – it's over 100 percent of your body. We cannot correct it. I apologize.

When we asked what your blood counts were and you measured it in leafs, that's when we had a concern. We were concerned about that. You said, well, it's going to be red man. And we were like, what are you talking about? My pillow's made of future skull. We were like, what? So that's rough. Jeff says at this point, because him and his brother, from the time they were eight, nine years old, they were really into wrestling.

And they talked about, I want to be a wrestler when I grow up and um jeff says quote our mom died when i was nine our dad was farming tobacco and working his ass off we did too our dad was set to believe there's no future in pro wrestling he'd say quit dreaming and go take the civil service test and get ready to be a postman or something so that's a very old school there's a civil service test absolutely you ever see that on kind of test you gotta go take the test to see where you place and see if you're you know if you're gonna be a postal manager or if you're gonna be i don't know the guy is like the sort button you know yeah but no that's the there's a seinfeld episode where george's parents were yelling at him and take the civil service test and really he goes what am i going to be a

mailman i'm a college graduate i want to get a blah blah blah it's the one where he's a hand model anyway so quit dreaming and go take the civil service test and go be a mailman you little bastard which is a very common old school attitude yeah yeah go get a job because his dad think about his dad let's say his dad is 35 years old at this point even so that means his dad was born in the 40s which mean his parents were in the middle of the depression and probably pounded that into his skull so and at this time people are still smoking in their living rooms and oh god yeah and this is his his tobacco job is job security. Yeah.

They're smoking on airplanes still. Oh, absolutely. This is way, yeah. This is doctors are smoking while they're talking to you, like looking at your chart. Telling you about your lung infection. I'd switch to camels if I were you. That's the advice they give. Get off those Winstons, Jesus.

I was going to say, if you thought of Salem winstons jesus gonna say have you thought of salems they're but so so he's got a tobacco job that's clearly job security to him at the moment and then the the part-time uh postal service job is absolutely uh at that point jesus everything's through the mail that's absolutely nothing and that's what he's telling him find yourself with a job security position well that's it it's job security get yourself get yourself a job that you're not going to get fired from and you're going to have for 40 years and because that's what you wanted to do back then because that would you know that would steal you against future depressions is what it was so people were that depression man it affected the next generation too it wasn't just the people who

lived through it it was their kids too or had that pounded under their skulls. Yeah, so it makes sense. The tobacco farm he owned, the dad owns, that's where they grew up. It's his own. It's his own. It's a small tobacco farm, and the kids grew up on the tobacco farm. I mean, that's where they grew up, was on a farm. So, yeah.

Jeff said he just thought there was no way we were going to be able to do that, meaning wrestling. And I can understand that growing up the way he did, just having to work his rear end off. But it's something we wanted to do, something we dreamed about. Now that we've made it and we're established, he loves it. He's out buying magazines and action figures and everything he can. He's getting a kick out of it. So, yeah, like most parents. Yeah. Once they see that you're making money, you know, Jesus, what are you doing?

That's great. I mean, I'm sure our parents. Yeah. Once they see that you're making money, you go, oh, Jesus, what are you doing? That's great. I mean, I'm sure our parents weren't thrilled about comedy. We make a living out of there. Probably like, OK, it's because they can't see the path to success. And they don't know what you're doing. Right. So they're just like, I don't know why you're fucking with that. You don't know what you're doing.

If I can't see the success angle, then you sure can't. Well, they look at it like I know guys that work at the post office and have two cars and a house i know those guys i don't know anybody who's a successful professional wrestler i don't know how you do it i don't know what the hell you're thinking and if you don't come from a place you know where that's a real accessible thing it's just like anything else it's like showbiz just like comedy the same thing people your parents what the hell are you talking about if you live in iowa they're like where are you going to be a comedian shut up go take go to go do this what's wrong with you yeah but then as as those people though uh when they see you performing with somebody that they recognize and they're like oh you're really doing it and they have no

fucking idea that i didn't make any money tonight for that no no but they're very impressed with who you're rubbing elbows next to that person i sure did and guess how much money i made nothing when you came off stage he said to thank him and he he knew your name yeah he did isn't that amazing isn't that great and then i paid and then i paid my my my my salary for parking and food and drinks. And tips. So, perfect. So, that's fucking funny. Yeah, he said, I was nine and Matt was 12 when their mother died. So, that became a very big influence to us, meaning wrestling. It might have been meant to be.

When we're in the ring, we know her spirit is with us. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, that's very nice. That's a little, whatever, a little ethereal for me. But I get but i get it that's fine all right do what you want to say here listen he was nine when she died it's tough to move on from that oh shit so they i guess they wanted to they also had to learn to cook and sew and they had to be mom in the house like because dad works a lot so they had to take care of the domestic shit when they were kids because, you know, you're taking mom's place. Go find a woman with amnesia and fix this.

Jesus Christ. This is a fucking problem. So, yeah, these kids are, it's interesting. So they watched WrestleMania 4. Okay. WrestleMania 4 was the one with the tournament for the belt. It's the one that happened. Andre the Giant and Hulk Hogan.

Hogan was the champ. This is a couple months before. And they had the fake referee do the count where It's the one that happened. Andre the Giant and Hulk Hogan. Hogan was the champ. This is a couple months before, and they had the fake referee do the count where Hogan had a shoulder up and all that shit. So they held it up and had the big tournament, and Macho Man wins the tournament and becomes champion. So they said they watched that, and that really was a huge thing

that made them want to be wrestlers, was watching Macho Man wrestle four matches and do that. That makes sense why they look the way they look. Well, it makes sense, too, because back then, everybody was 300 pounds or 270. They were all these huge, jacked-up guys, and then Macho Man was kind of the... There was other guys like him,

but he was the most successful smaller guy in WWE. In NWA, Ric Flair was a champ and everything but macho man was totally different than everybody else he moved different he was quick he'd do that jump up to the top rope and jump on nobody fucking did that back then they climbed up carefully to make sure they didn't fall off whereas he just ran flair that he had oh yeah the movements and the posing yeah everything he was very visual. Everything from his cape, his giant fucking sparkly macho man cape, to having Elizabeth with him. Yeah.

The whole presentation. And then when he'd get in the ring, his quickness and his moves and his, he just wrestled different than other people back then. Yeah. You know, nowadays it would be considered, you know, slow or whatever. But, I mean, at the time, he did shit that a lot of people weren't doing very very well so they saw that and they were like oh wow he's not that huge he's doing these crazy moves um before that too they had seen mostly wcw because they're from north carolina so that's you know they saw well nwa at the time they saw the mid-atlantic territory which was flair's main deal there jim crockett promotions and all that shit so that's

that's what they had saw there um tons of rick flair they did see wwf in the late 80s they went to a show we came through north carolina and andre the giant was there oh god they said it was real fucking cool to see andre the giant in person they're just like whoa yeah just whoa his head is the size of a fucking honda you know what i mean it's enormous just to see that man yeah just to see that shit in person you're like what the fuck happened to you seeing him on tv in the princess bride even i was like that is so much man next to a bunch of hollywood actors who are small for regular people for the most part so i mean this guy's you know nine and a buck 50 standing next to Andre. He doesn't look very big because the other wrestlers look small next to him in his heyday and they're all huge.

So now, in addition to wrestling, they got into motocross and dirt bikes and shit like that. Really? Which is very common for this area because there's they're from rural north carolina there's a lot of woods and a lot of places to ride shit like that through so um apparently according to an interview he did here or the this is their their autobiography that they wrote in 2003 yeah that uh they he had a yamaha yz80 is his first bike so which i've i know a lot of people that's their first bike it's a cute little bike there it is um he said he is his first bike, which I know a lot of people that's their first bike. It's a cute little bike.

There it is. He said he had his first race when he was in the ninth grade. He also played baseball and even played a little football as well in school. Absolutely. Matt says that his brother Matt says Jeff is an amazing athlete. He said everything he did he was good at pretty much. He's very graceful. He's really good. Matt was never quite pretty much. He's very graceful. He's really good.

Matt was never quite that good, but he was just, yeah, he just had a different thing. He apparently crashed his motorcycle at one point, hurt his arm and stopped playing baseball and football as well. Um, he also did some amateur wrestling after that in high school,

did high school wrestling. And Matt said that their town, they're from Cameron, North Carolina. That's where they're from. And they said, it's so small that they didn't even have a, uh,

uh, a wrestling team when Matt was there, but then they had gotten one by the time Jeff was in school. So he said, this is from Matt the year after I graduated in 1993, they got one. And Jeff, Jeff did it a couple of years. He did well. He's an amazing athlete. so he said this is from matt the year after i graduated in 1993 they got one and jeff jeff did it a couple years he did well he's an amazing athlete there's nothing he can't do everything

he does is so beautiful and graceful so yeah off to him why don't you jesus well he he spends his whole life like defending jeff basically because he's the one always bailing him out of jail he's the one who like gives a statement after some crazy shit happens to try to like you know listen listen here's what's going on with my brother and he's the guy who's always got to be that buffer and he's like always taking care of him it seems like he's got a very you can tell he's the older brother in that regard like he's always taking care of him and making excuses for him when he gets arrested and shit like that sure and uh at the other the other point too jeff is the more talented one ouch matt's pretty good but jeff is a fucking star he's a fucking star i mean dad saved the good load for three years later yeah he did that's what happened this is one of those

damn it it's tough that's that's at least if it's the older brother, you can deal with it, I think. Like, if your older brother's better than you, your older brother's always better than you at shit. So you accept that. Everything, forever. Yeah. It's just like one of those, because they're older than you, so they were good at it before you. So when you're nine and they're 12, yeah, they're better at baseball because they're 12 and you're nine. And they got three years more experience, not just development, but they know what they're doing.

Well, like, I've seen interviews with Lanny Poffo, who's Randy Savage's brother, and he was leaping Lanny Poffo. And, you know, he's kind of a B-level guy in wrestling. He was not a giant star. And Randy's a fucking iconic star and Slim Jim. And also, Randy, before he hurt his shoulder, was a minor league baseball player, was signed by the Cincinnati Reds. He played multiple years in their farm system. So, I mean, he's a fucking athlete. I mean, literally a professional athlete.

So he was always saying, like, Randy's the older brother, and I just knew he's better at everything, and it's just the way it is. Like, he's tougher. He's a better athlete. He's just better, and I accepted that at a young age. Whereas your younger brother coming up and being way better than you. Fuck that. And being close in age.

If they were 10 years apart, it would be okay. Because it's like, I was pretty good, but this motherfucker's even better. Check my brother out. You'd want to tout him. But three years, you're like, you cocksucker. That's still competitive. We're in the same high school, you son of a bitch. That's still competitive, man. Fuck that same high school, you son of a bitch. That's still competitive, man.

Fuck that. So that's a little bit strange, but apparently that's what he was into. Jeff is also very into, he's real into art and music and stuff like that. And you can tell by just his ring attire that he's not a typical kind of meathead. He's not like a jock, in in quotes you know what i mean there's some finesse in this yeah to quote a duke lacrosse player in one of our bonus episodes he doesn't come up and go would you like to see would you like to see my pp like that's not he doesn't he's not one of those guys at all he's more i can't believe he literally texted that yeah he pretty

much yeah guys move back then was grabbing a girl and dragging them somewhere like a caveman that was wow anyway listen to one guy literally said duh yeah he's so dummy he even he even texts duh that's how dummy is he doesn't just say it he has to say what he's gonna say before he texts it and then he just texts whatever he said jerk or it's or it's speak to text and he went look at your boobs and then that's what it's like yeah and the phone was like literally he literally said god those are amazing those episodes that duke fuck list is amazing so i hate all of them oh how do you not hate them there's not a there's not a happy person to root for no everybody in it is just terrible monsters it's a bunch of awful

people that got put into a fishbowl together and they're just they're just they all fucked they just lube each other up and fucking hump each other if it goes in a hole fine but if not whatever i'll just hump your top your fucking shoulder it doesn't matter we're all lubed not a redeeming character in the story. I'm just going to hump over here. God, I hate them all. It's hard not to. It's hard not to. So anyway, that's what Jeff's into.

He's into art. He likes history and school and shit like that as well. Now, their father in 1987 gave them a trampoline for christmas oh because he's one i think he's going i got two boys their energy levels are off the charts their mom died i don't want to yell at them fucking go get your energy out jump on this for a while go bounce motherfucker and you can see them out there you know where they are yeah great there you go so matt says jeff and i built a little makeshift wrestling ring out of it in the backyard. Oh, God.

They used it as that. He said we started emulating the moves we saw on TV, almost like the backyard wrestling craze now. But we didn't go out there and try to kill each other. They were trying to do more athletic moves and doing it on, on the trampoline, doing the flips and which makes sense for Jeff later and his finishing move and everything. Cause his finishing move is it's fucking insane.

His finishing. It's insane. It's nuts. It's like, you can't do that all the time. And he does it for 25, 30 years. Doesn't matter.

He's out of his mind. Yeah. It's that's the thing too. These finishing moves when you start as a wrestler because a lot of times sometimes the guys will change their finishing move but when they find something that really works and it's their signature thing they keep it for the rest of their career their finishing move so you when you do something in the beginning i've heard guys say this you don't think i'm gonna have to do this every night

for 25 years all the time every single day what is the impact on my body that i'm doing you just think this looks fucking cool at the end of a match and i'm trying to get people to like me right now but later on i'm gonna be walking like a 13 year old german shepherd and it doesn't even have to be anything crazy like hulk hogan talks about my his one hip had to be replaced as the one he always landed on doing the leg drop because you do that every night for 25 years it fucks your hip up weird right to file that thing down yeah you do steroids and then you jump your 300 pound frame on on your hip every single night yeah it wears down well it's even yeah i'm a dynamite kid with the diving headbutt he's in a wheelchair now because he's doing the

same shit every night there was other moves too but that one didn't help and then jeff does this swanton bomb where he jumps off the top rope and that fucking flips over in midair on the guy and lands on him and there's no way to do that safely that's the thing no there's a way to do it so you protect and not try not to break your neck and try not to break anything on him but if you do it and it looks half decent it fucking hurts both guys bad. It hurts. Guys used to say Jimmy Superfly Snooker's splash was the same way. They go, that shit hurts. He's fucking huge, and he's jumping way up into the air. And the way he hits, he pads it a little bit, but it fucking hurts.

You're wide open, landing on my rib cage. You've got to be braced for that shit. This is even worse. This it's this is less controlled because it's you're doing a flip anything where you're doing a flip you have way less control yeah yeah you don't have the same kind of control or just kind of that weird it's almost it looks like a it looks like a uh like a swim dive almost the way he does it like it it's it's it's fucking pretty i mean it really is it's impressive to see him do it off the top of a 20 foot ladder you're like wow that was that was beautiful that was beautiful but i mean holy shit that also looks like you're gonna break your neck and whoever is under you so um but that makes sense that that

was you know this is where they started was on a trampoline so you kind of have like video game moves on a trampoline because it's you know not real so um yeah they would do all that they said they used to emulate they would pretend to be a tag team and emulate the rockers at the time sean michaels and marty genetti absolutely that was their that was their jam they wanted to be like them because they were a quick tag team that did aerial shit at the time foreshadowing foreshadowing you know what you followed marty genetti not only in the path of being a great tag team wrestler but also in crime and sports fame you've followed him here too isn't that nice marty genetti paving the way yeah for future fuck-ups so um now the hardys liked what they

did at the time they were moving faster than anybody else in WWE because they were the small guys and their whole thing was move fast. Matt says, we were big fans of them. Macho Man Randy Savage was one of my favorite wrestlers. Michael P.S. Hayes, ironically enough, who we ended up working with in the WWF, was also one of my favorites. Which is odd because Michael P.S. Hayes is always known as a shit worker. He's a great manager. When they had the Freebirds, he was supposed to be the manager that wrestles also sometimes, and there's three of them. But the other two are like the actual wrestlers because he doesn't have it in the ring like that.

But he's got charisma coming out of his ass. He's really good that way. So I guess the flair of him made sense. He liked the flamboyancy of Michael Hayes. So either way, in 1990, now Jeff is 13 and Matt is 16. They met a carny, which is always a good thing. That's a bad man. Why are you guys around him?

That happened to my friend too and then the guy lived in his basement and then got them arrested and threatened to kill him from jail so this is a bad start careful boys careful who you're hanging out with here and this guy happened to run wrestling shows at these carnivals as well why not so um matt says he really didn't know the wrestling business so we did a few fair shows with him locally in the county we lived in in the counties nearby. So they were children whose only experience was fucking around in their backyard on trampolines. And they had their psychopath gives them a position in an actual wrestling show. Yeah. Takes him to a carnival show and lets these children do this.

What do you think? Hello, the insurance. What do you think the insurance what do you think the insurance situation was like for that non-existent no but dad keep an eye on your boys a little better dad we're gonna go wrestle in a carnival no no this nice carny told us that he's gonna pay us 20 if we can fucking jump off of things onto each other well sure boys y'all need some tobacco this nice man with black teeth told us he can he's gonna give us a job dad all right boys and black teeth you say tell you what

give him a nice pouch of this tobacco he sounds like he lacks it and smokes it already so choose it and everything give him some of this you're gonna like it he'll treat you better with this so um they ended up meeting the Italian Stallion. He was a wrestler, used to be in NWA. And he makes his debut in their territory. They make their official kind of non-carnival debuts in this dude's territory. If you don't know when Crystal Pepsi was discontinued, what was in Al Capone's vault, or which famous meteorologist is Lenny Kravitz's second cousin, then you haven't spent enough time on Wikipedia. But that's okay. I am here for you. I'm Darcy Carden, and I'm inviting you to listen to my new podcast, WikiHole,

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wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad-free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. But Matt says more or less we were self-trained. When we were with the Stallion, he kind of polished us and taught us about the business, how it worked, the terminology, the psychology, why everything is how it is. All the shit so when they got in the ring with guys who knew what they were doing, they wouldn't be embarrassed by going, what was that now?

What? Say again? What do you want me to do again? Because there's a lot of... Power bomb? Yeah. Well, to do again? Because there's a lot of... Power bomb? Yeah. Well, not only the moves. There's a lot of just terminology of things.

Sure. If you're talking about the match and you go, yeah, we're going to do this, and then you make the hot tag, and they go, well, what the fuck does that mean? What's the hook? What? Yeah. They go, what the fuck's a hot tag? Then you're fucked, and you have to explain from the start of how a wrestling match works

and the psychology of it. Right. Nobody wants to work with that kid, I don't think. So that ain't cool. So anyway, yeah, they taught him that shit. Then they started, during this time, the TWF. Oh, yeah. Their own promotion.

The Wrestling Foundation. That is Trampoline Wrestling Federation. That sounds terrible. that sounds terrible that sounds terrible uh later they changed it to the teen wrestling federation with oh no that sounds even worse i just see a bunch of like shirtless guys and mustaches in that crowd just i'm here for the teen boys i mean the wrestling i don't know we showed up because the word teen was in the title and i'm wrestling usually they're shirtless i figured greased up shirtless young boys are gonna be here so i uh or girls don't care either way i want to watch now let me this isn't against my probation right because i'm not technically i'm not near the kids right

i'm allowed to i know i'm not allowed to be around children but i'm don't there's a fence between us know what i mean i mean it's i'm not allowed to get up there yeah that's the crowd for that i believe that yeah you put teen in anything you're gonna get creeps there yeah what was that there's a certain person where that's gonna perk their what would that be what what now the do you say teen champion i wasn't interested in trampoline but now that you said teen well shit i'll show up now i think i want to show up and see what that's all about holy fuck um so they also used to do some backyard shit apparently here um is this matt or jeff okay i think this is matt um now i was in a

backyard wrestling federation in high school as well we used to wrestle in gym class because we were told to just do something i was the high school i was the high-flying luchador known as canta blemte which means accounting i don't know why and why. And my first finishing move was El Queso Malo, the bad cheese. Is that it? Yeah. A top rope guillotine leg drop is what it was. Just a top rope leg drop. Though I was known on occasion to use the submission move,

which was the surfboard umbrella, which was a reverse sharpshooter surfboard crossface type maneuver anyway despite eventually expanding into backyards at no point did our little federation ever make money nor train any of us to do any actual wrestling they're just fucking around basically this is just kids fucking around now he's well known if you know jeff Hardy, if you've seen Jeff Hardy, the thing to notice is he always looks way different. He's always got weird shit on. He's always painted a different way. His whole head will be painted, his whole face, his neck.

I mean, different colors. He doesn't have like a standard, this is my face paint. Yeah, like Ultimate Warrior. This is my facial paint design like ultimate warrior this is my facial paint design he had like all he'd do different things all the time you never know that was the big thing oh what's he gonna look like today he's gonna be okay a fucking look is he gonna be painted like a lizard who knows we'll find out so he said that he saw sting as a child during a show in north carolina and that made him want to keep doing that.

He said. He's like, yeah, that's cool. He said. Sting had cool face paint. That was a really good one. Well, which incarnation of Sting? The black and white one? Surfer Sting.

You're talking about Crow Sting. Yeah. Yeah. Crow Sting was cool. Crow Sting is rad. He's talking about Surfer Sting. He's talking about the blonde flat top Sting when he had the other, like the fuchsia and fucking neon green paint. The mask thing. That's what he's talking about the blonde flat top sting when he had the fuchsia and fucking neon green paint. That's what he's talking about.

That's bad. He had that. Yeah, not later on. The crow sting didn't come around until like 96, 97. Until NWO, right? That was NWO came out. Yeah, he was the answer to that. I loved that.

That was a cool face. That looked badass. And they sold a million masks. Like the squiggle? Yeah. They sold a million of those fucking masks. that looked badass and they sold a million masks yeah they sold a million of those fucking masks no matter what it did in the ring it sold that made them so much money in mask sales that's the one you're doing oh that's the one have you seen the n1 documentary by the way

i did i just watched that and fucking first of all the documentary is a piece of shit it's it's it's such an interesting subject matter but yeah they kind of show the brise of it and then they're like and then things went bad and we sold it by like it was talk about the downfall tell me why you fucked up yeah they show for like two seconds that the guys were mad that even though they're making millions and millions of dollars for the company they're giving these guys pizza every night and shit rather than decent meals and they don't that's three minutes of the documentary they act like a a dribbling commercial for nike ruined and one yeah no motherfucker then this then this commercial came out and it was over and we said that's that's what they said no you just skipped over a lot way too much yeah you talked about the the

development of one shoe for 15 minutes and then the whole downfall of the fucking company took three minutes to talk about the hell out of here how did we go from this shoe was unbelievable to a player mashed a pizza in somebody's face in a woman's face yeah tell me what happened there a man was so angry he mashed a hot pizza in a woman's face yeah he's pissed i want to know why what what the fuck did that yeah exactly what and we know did that take and we know that they're not like they don't really know each other that well so that's it takes even more what happened to cause this it's not like they had beef she was the one who brought him the nice pizza and it was not acceptable i really want the actual story of that documentary like it seems like the founders were like, I don't know if this is true, but it seems like they minimize.

It's the rise and fall of N1, and they don't talk really about the fall at all. They minimize it. It's stupid. I'm going out on a limb, but do you think it's because it will look mad racist and shitty on their part of what happened? Yes. Absolutely, right? it will look mad racist and shitty on their part of what happened yes yeah absolutely right how do you how do you make a documentary where three college guys a stanford grad and two wharton grads start a fucking league that has start a whole company that has merch and a league that has literally nothing but like urban culture and black guys and everything like that. And you got these white dudes.

And you got these three white dudes. Just appropriate the fuck out of it. And you're feeding these guys pizza every night when they're making millions and millions of dollars for the fucking company. And you're like, what? Yeah, that's going to look bad in a documentary. It feels scummy to see them struggling. I mean, granted, they get to do fun things, but those are all write-offs for the company that's not taking care of their families the the company's being complete fucking jerks about everything and some of the guys are making money and some of the guys are

making ugots is the problem and that causes strife with the players anyway that's an interesting documentary i love it i love the rise of it and then the fall of it. I'm like, I need more. Let's go. You jerks are just stroking your own dicks about how great you are here, and then you don't want to talk about why you fucked it all up. We got to find the And One players and ask them their side because they clearly wanted to tell it. I don't think the documentary, maybe they did tell it, and the documentary cut it out. I'm sure in the course of the interview it came up, but it just, that's

not what they were concentrating on. They were concentrating on the rise of it, which was cool. They should concentrate on both of those things, though, equally, because it was interesting as shit. Everybody loved those fucking N1 tapes. Why is your shit in Walmart now, motherfuckers? Yeah. Yeah, now it's not good.

Now it's trash. Well, some crap, what was it, American Sporting Standard or some crap what was it american sporting standard or some crap bottom some poor shit people that are just pumping out garbage product and putting it in the lowest rung that's it so that's what they get it's at cole's now enjoy not even it's at fucking walmart oh god what's worse cole's or walmart for sure walmart really absolutely kohl's is just mervin's remember mervin's yeah that's true yeah mervin's a little bit every i've only been in a kohl's once and yeah somebody got me gave me a gift certificate and i needed a frying pan and i saw kohl's had frying pans i went to get a frying pan and there was no prices on anything and i walked around with the frying pan

for 20 fucking minutes trying to figure out how much it costs i was asking people at work do you know how much this costs and they're like folding baby clothes looking at me like i have no idea how much how much a frying pan costs like no one does the answer to everything there they don't know what the cost of anything is they're just they just like make it up i think because at the end they go they go your total is 135 and you saved six6,000. You're like, what? How did that? What are you talking about?

I'm coming out on top here. But I didn't know what I was. Yeah, I never went back because I was so confused by the place. So that's how that works. It's a very strange place. And I don't know how they value anything in there. No, I don't either. I don't know what they do or how they do it.

All I know is my son loves the Nike shirts that they stock and he's like, he always wants to go get the Nike shirts from, at least go look at them and find one that he likes. I know I had a $50 gift certificate, so I was walking around going, is this less than $50?

Because I'm not paying out of my pocket here. Is this less than $50 please? The basketball shirts there are around $14, and Dad likes that, and he loves that. Oh, yeah, that's fine. It's a fucking shirt to play basketball in. Do your thing here. So anyway, he says Sting was coming out, and this was an old NWA show. This is before WCW bought out NWA.

show this is pre before wcw bought out nwa and he said and i was able to touch his shoulder and he had his face painted his neon green tights on and the blonde hair and i was like oh my gosh i want to do that i want to make somebody feel like he made me feel right now so what i want to make i want to make another little kid horny. I was able to touch his shoulder. Ew, what? You know how the kids at the gate try to, go ahead, you get him, sting, go ahead, buddy. It's such a weird sentence. It is a weird sentence. And it made me go, man, my dick sprouted hard as a rock and I wanted to make someone else feel their little pecker get hard.

Exactly how weird I just felt. Exactly. So he says that he likes the face paint as well first of all it's a creative outlet he can fuck around he likes art and on the top of that he says also he's pretty introverted and he's pretty shy guy outside of wrestling so he says with this way quote i can get to the building and have my image have this image in my head and being that i don't have a canvas i could just use my face as what I want to try to bring to life. All of these artistic thoughts come into mind. Like it shows artistic freedom and also freedom of your soul.

It's like expression at its best. I think I'm more sociable when I'm all painted up. I think I feel normal, quite normal, a lot more normal than when I'm all shy and not painted. He said, that's jeff hardy the charismatic enigma at his best when he comes out with the face paint the face paint freak man that's by far a compliment in my book he doesn't realize what he's doing he you're you're hiding bro yeah yeah there's so much psychology though that he's sidestepping yeah yeah all of that stuff that he said is true but he's literally he's literally hiding, and he gets to be anybody he wants.

Yeah, if we wanted to play amateur psychologist here, you could definitely go, your mom died, you never processed it. That's exactly what's happening. You're fucking hiding from this. You're hiding behind the face paint. You're hiding behind the art thing of not being your actual self. You're hiding behind being a character in wrestling. There's a lot of hiding. This is literally an outlet that he can be

whatever he wants to be every night. It's awesome. It's healthy. It's certainly healthy, but as long as he addresses why he's running, it's healthy. And this is the problem with, and this is for,

he's kind of the last generation that came along where guys who are not, guys who are just kind of fuck-ups who jump around on a trampoline can still be pro wrestlers and it's the same thing we always compare it to comedy it's the same thing with comedy now remember we were talking to two very successful club owners that own a lot of clubs in this country and are really successful in comedy these guys and we were talking to them and both of them were lamenting the the loss of the kind of nutbag comedian, just the guy who's the girl or whoever that's just kind of out there.

Maybe they're a little fucked up on whatever the fuck. And they're a little eccentric. And somehow this comes out in this funny thing and they can harness it for an hour a night on stage. And they go, now it's all these guys who are like, well, I was a lawyer for the last six years at the firm of so-and-so, so-and-so. Then I decided I wanted to do comedy because that's who comedians are now. It's just weird. And we were saying, well, that's because nowadays you can't make a living breaking into comedy, so you have to be subsidized. So you have to be from a rich family or have some trust fund.

Your bills have to be paid one way or another. A big nest egg from a job that you did that was successful before that. You could take a couple of years off like you don't can't you can't be a fuck up who's doing comedy every night and also working three jobs because rent is crazy expensive. You know, like there's no time doesn't exist anymore. You can't do that. And wrestling is the same way. These guys now are all they're a different breed they're like these um they're different they're not just kind of fuck-ups or gonna express themselves like it's not like that anymore now they're all very regimented yeah they're all very they're all like

nerds now right it's almost like it's a like it like there's a uh conveyor belt pushing these products out and you can just carve it and then make it into a perfect thing and push it on down the belt that's it and they want and w and for you know wwe it's a publicly traded company they want yeah they want people who are quote good corporate citizens safe that they can promote they don't want to have their their uh their stockholders bitching at them that they're you know employing bums and all this type of shit so it's reckless yeah it's turned into that rather than what it was which was literally a traveling carnival with a bunch of fucking with a bunch of degenerates and pedophiles and you know

drug addicts and criminals and they just we'll keep them inside the ropes don't worry about it and then we'll get them on a get them out of town right after the show. Don't worry. That's what it seemed like. Literally a chain gang across the country that you let loose on each other. Yeah, don't worry. We'll lock Grizzly Smith up the second the fucking card's over with. So he can't get to any of your daughters. Can't rape any of your children. Yeah.

But Jeff does hide, and he even hides behind substances later on too. He's a, he's Jeff. He's got to address something. And the thing about Jeff is he loves to refuse help. He doesn't, doesn't want help. And I think this is also,

I don't know what kind of, uh, if any sort of help he got during the time when his mom died, but your mom dies of cancer when you're nine, you need to talk to somebody. That's not normal. Yeah. It's going to fuck you up a little bit in your brain and so i don't know if that was effective or not but it definitely seems to have cast a long shadow on his life when

it comes to shit like this yeah and then you've got a father who's a fucking tobacco farmer and a and a post office employee he's a literally pull yourself up by your bootstraps and face the world boy you can't be a you can't be a pussy well yeah that's the thing well dad didn't have time to do that either if your wife dies and you have two growing boys nine and twelve years old and you got to run a farm and jesus oh man i mean you gotta end up jumping around on a trampoline burning energy stop moving you're burning the peas and carrots come on you got a farm and you have another job too you don't have time to coddle it's got to be well i still got there's still work in the morning and you know i still got to go out and do the chores in the morning and so i

don't know like we got how many times did he hear rub some dirt in it yeah that's what i'm saying especially when he grew up and how he grew up so i don't know. I get it. So, Jeff, anyway, they said that they were trained, like we said, by the stallion there and George South. George South also helped train a bunch of other guys, a guy named George South, an old NWA wrestler. He said, though, they would help book the Hardys too, these guys, but they would rip them off, which was a big thing they would do.

If a guy would help you get booked well then the booking there'd be a booking fee so basically what they used to do is there'd be local trainers that would have kind of groups of guys and they would that's they would hook up with like wwf to come in and do cards to be. I have four or five jobbers you can use. So if it's a TV taping, you have fresh jobbers that you can have get the shit beat out of them, and these guys make $100, and everybody's happy. But what they would do is the wrestling company would pay this guy who's got all of his guys, and then he would pay the guys whatever he felt like.

So let's say WWF is paying $150 per guy, well, he'll give them $50 and keep 100. That's how it works. That's how wrestling works. They didn't book you. They booked me, you son of a bitch. I could have picked anybody. You wouldn't be on there if it wasn't for me.

And so that's how they would do. And when you're breaking in, you just need the exposure. You don't care. These guys would pay money, much like comedians. They would pay money to be on a good show in front of people or be on television they'll pay they would pay for that it's fucking subcontracting yeah that's the thing so they end up basically getting a series of uh they get try kind of tryouts basically they kind of get to

go into the wwf at the time e now obviously and go to monday night raw and sit back there and basically be in case anybody else doesn't show up or gets hurt or something like that yeah we got you guys there bring your gear you can come sit in the locker room yeah that's how it goes now jeff is still a junior in high school when this is going on wow yeah jeff is only 16 years old wow and he says he's 18 though he tells them he's 18 uh because you know they're not going to let a 16 year old go out and let scott hall beat the shit out of him on television that's just not okay and that's what happens actually though is um he his first match on television he goes by under the name keith davis doesn't go as jeff hardy they make him keith davis and he goes up against scott hall razor ramon that's his first

match on television on month on a taping of monday night raw may 23rd and then he went back to high school the next day that's awesome that's that's what he thought too he thought that was pretty fucking cool that he's on national television on monday night raw and then on tuesday he can go to high school on tuesday he's got history class you guys see wrestling last night yeah yeah see that guy scott hall beat the living shit out of yeah this guy right here this is history 101 and we are talking about napoleon all history was also yesterday yeah can i teach the lesson today let me tell you something brother about a historical night that happened last night brother okay the place for the first time ever a 16 year old child wrestled a man on tv wrestled a man and

was beaten senseless on tv and he walks the next day he comes to math class the next day do you understand the intestinal fortitude that young man must possess to be able to take a beating like that and keep on going incredible it is incredible uh matt said stallion was taking a booking fee from us we were getting paid 150 a night for each wwf appearance as extras on wwf tv $50 a night for each WWF appearance as extras on WWF TV. Stallion took $100 a night for the booking fee. It was pretty steep. Yeah.

Yeah, I would say. 66%? I'll take two-thirds of your money. What the fuck? Jeff said, quote, it was pretty horrible. We did about four or five shows through him. We would all cram in a van. He would take 13 or 14 of us because those

raw tapings were two weeks if you went to monday night raw i've told the story of my poor dad yeah thinking the fucking show was over and then oh jesus it's starting again the fucking sirens off for fuck's sake there's more i have so much to do tomorrow. Oh, kill me now. It's midnight. I've been up since 5 a.m. My little brother, yay! And he runs to the fucking... And then me laughing hysterically every time.

Oh, just quickly. Every time. My brother, yay! My dad, oh, for Christ's sake, head in his hands. And me... I take Eric, come on, dude. My brother, yay! My dad, oh, for Christ's sake, head in his hands and me. I take care. Come on, dude, we'll go down to the fucking gate there. Let's go look.

So you can try to touch a shoulder. Or I'd shove small children out of the way and insert my fucking, insert my seven-year-old brother into there. Here you go. Your dad's just leaning against a pillar trying to get two three two three seconds a nap each time his head bobs he's just on because this civic center too had like almost like uh like benches but like so he's just sitting there just heading his hands just like

oh god it just never stops then after they tape four episodes of monday night raw yeah four then they do like more matches for like videotapes that they were doing coliseum home video they just do shit yeah it would be no more so it would be a five-hour show if you went for monday night raw so they would need tons of of jobbers i mean just they burn through them like crazy and if the guy sucked they'd only use them once if someone's real good use them again and. And, you know, that sort of thing. So he said he would take 13 or 14 of us. We would drive from North Carolina to New York, St. Louis, all over.

Well, yeah. If you're a guy that's getting paid maybe $1,500 a night while these fucks are each making $50 a piece. Yeah. I'm certainly driving wherever the show is. That's, yeah, you're taking us there anyway um so jeff says quote the way we got around it we drove ourselves to augusta georgia for wwf tv we were supposed to go with stallion but something happened and he didn't want us to go for some reason when we got there he was already there with a group of his guys we just went in our faces were

already recognized backstage we told wwf agent chief Chief Jay Strong about what was going on and how Stallion was really screwing us and taking a lot of money from us. Naturally, that was all we had to say, and that was it for him. They couldn't believe that was hidden from them, and they really didn't know what was going on. After that, the WWF would just call our house to book us. How about that? Yeah. This was going on all the time and they would, they just finally said,

oh fucking, you're a scumbag. I'm not doing that. If anybody's going to screw these kids, it's going to be, it's going to be me. We're going to, we're going to extract every bit of everything from them.

Do you understand? We don't want them all damaged, bruised up when we get them, you know, Jesus Christ. So yeah, they said that was, um,

you know, that was going on. says quote jeff says still if it wasn't for the italian stallion we wouldn't be here right now but he didn't have to do that we later ran into him and we started talking it was like nothing ever happened he kind of forgot it and we did too well once we didn't forget yeah you caught on is all that's it's been 10 years later if there's stars in it doesn't matter anymore i mean that's i'm not mad at fucking uh i'm not mad at promoters that i did shows for that i got paid ten dollars i know they were making decent money on now who gives a shit like at the time i was like hey fuck you but now i don't care dude looking back that guy that was running several

shows a week uh you know who he is uh yeah in rooms. He was making like two grand a month in comedy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Putting on all these shit shows. Not being funny. 25 grand a year, that guy. That's crazy, right? We're all assholes.

But that's what like the Italian stallion here. And these businesses, these people find, without talent, find these ways and these creases, you know, fucking mice and bugs and shit can get into your house through the slightest little crack. And you're like, how the fuck would anything get into there? That's what they're looking for. The slightest little crack. They can squash themselves down flat and squeeze through and squeeze people with talent and

squeeze the money juice out of them and get everything i bet i can use this person to make a few bucks for me even though i'm useless they exist in all facets of entertainment they really fucking do and it's especially ones like this that were kind of cash on the you know on the fly and without contracts because these jobbers just come in like they're booked hey you want to come in and do these shows and they come in and do a show and they leave there's not any kind of contract the money's so minuscule there's no there's not even a 1099 filled out it's just here to take this and go no by the end of the year it probably wouldn't so he gets jeff gets his first match like we said against razor ramon who is keith dav Now, apparently this match, he was a little rough on him.

Razor was a little rough on Jeff Hardy. And Jeff Hardy was 16. And he looked like a child. So you got a guy like Razor at the time who I think if you put him against somebody who looks like a child, he's got to try to really look pretty decent at this point. You know what I mean? He can't look like this guy's beating him up so um he says um um apparently there was another guy who backed out of it and they they put jeff into it that's what happened another guy couldn't be

there so um anyway hardy they told him he was 18 and he went in his first matches against scott hall and the way he puts it quote he beat the living shit out of me he said he was about to he was about to he wanted to cry afterwards he's like it was bad he beat the shit out of me uh he said though but the next time the next night he faced uh Sean Waltman who's x-pac and we've talked all about him he's terrific and he said he was treated him like gold and they had a great match because he was a little guy so they could have a good match yeah and then after that hardy razor ramones talked about this scott hall has talked about this in interviews saying that they were that was like jeff hardy was like their favorite jobber they loved him yeah they loved him like jeff scott hall said repeatedly like whenever they needed a job or they like why don't you use him use this guy he can fucking work actually he's not bad he can work um later on he'll have a match i believe

against razor ramon if i'm not mistaken where um yeah where he wins by count out it's a fucking big deal on because razor wanted to give him a you know that's kind of a joke win but what he allows him to do is scott hall says he and also xbox said they would let the the hardys they'd let him miss something that would be like a very generous thing for a star to do where normally if i'm a star i go in and if it's a job or i beat the crap out of you and i win you might get a punch in and i go i'm hurt a little and then you run off the ropes and hit me once and then the next time you run off the ropes i clothesline you and you're fucked you know cut you off quick but you get a little comeback but you're off the ropes and hit me once and then the next time you run off the ropes I clothesline you and you're fucked. Cut you off quick.

You get a little comeback but you're not going to get a whole thing where you're beating me up and then you try some crazy move because I'm so hurt. They're not letting anybody do that. But they like them so much they would let him miss a top rope thing. They're not going to let him hit it on them but they'd let him go up and miss something

on them just so that he can show off that he's athletic and can do a top rope move. So that's a huge compliment from a star. God, what a piece of shit sport this is. Yeah. Hey, I'm going to allow you to miss something and fall on your head. And then the other guy goes, really? Oh, my God.

Thank you. Because that's like, oh, my God. You're ready to kiss that guy's feet. Like, oh, my God. Thank you so much. That's amazing. You're going to let me do a backflip tonight land on my fucking back yeah because if you wanted to you could just punch me to the ground and then spit on me stand on my chest and pin me and i would have to go along with that so the fact that

you're letting me hurt myself to miss something land on my face tonight i can't wait you're a real mensch aren't you yeah so that's pretty fucking funny. So anyway, he does all of that. He says that he really, his childhood inspirations for wrestling were Sting, Shawn Michaels, who I could very easily see that because they're the same similar size and everything like that. And he liked Shawn Michaels and Marty Jannetty. And also two guys you wouldn't think of when you think of Jeff Hardy, but Hulk Hogan. Yeah. Which, I mean, I guess he was such a big star in the 80s, you couldn't help but be influenced by him if you grew up watching him. And then the Ultimate Warrior also, which face paint, again, more face paint.

Showmanship, the Thunder stuff. All of it. Flamboyant, yeah. Terrible as a wrestler, but still the the entry right the entry into the ring the crowd went batshit i mean yeah yeah that's uh the all the old guys have a saying for that when they got like the you'll hear the interviews they'll be talking about the ultimate warrior guys like that to be like oh man that introduction the bell they go in there and the crowd goes crazy and oh it's something else and they go and and then the bell rings. And that means you suck, basically.

And it's time to work, and they can't do it. That means you're terrible. And then the bell rings. And that skull fucking comes to a screeching halt. That's literally the shift bell. Get to work. You can't do it. Yep, that's it.

Can't do it. So he wrestles the 1-2-3 Kid on May 25th that airs on Superstars of Wrestling. Then he's not in wwf doesn't get another match till november of 1994 so a few months go by and he wrestles as jeff harvey i don't know if that was a miscommunication between the that happens down a hallway what's your name kid jeff hardy jeff that gets written down. Steve's boy. Got it. Yeah, that's right. There we go. You don't look anything like, whatever.

I don't know. That's crazy. Your face is painted. I can't tell. Is your mom Canadian? All right, whatever. She must be. So he wrestles another alumni. Yeah?

He wrestles Jim Neidhardt. Holy shit. Jim the Anvil. Oh, God. One of the worst. Yep. He's beaten by Jim the the anvil uh there that night and then few day or the next night on for it airs the next day on wrestling challenge uh king kong bundy

beats him wow this is when king kong bundy briefly came back but he had eyebrows which was really weird because he never had eyebrows before and you look at him you go oh what's weird about him what's different i could never look strange i didn't figure it out till like 15 years later i'm like he had fucking eyebrows when he came back that's why slap some eyebrows on the mona lisa and you'd go what this painting isn't exactly what i remembered it's just different yeah that's super strange the wait is over so far you're not losing The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that. Bing!

The queen of the courtroom is back. I didn't do anything. You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. I see he's not intimidated by anything. I can fix that. New cases. She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone.

Okay, so, um... This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes, Your Honor. You married his cousin. His brother. That's not him.

Yes, ma'am. I would make a beeline for the door. The Emmy Award-winning series returns. How did how did i know that i have crystal ball in my head it's an all-new season it's streaming you can say anything judy justice only on freebie so um that's what he that's their 94 but he's he gets in you know what i mean he gets into where they call him. They have his number. He's known to them and all that sort of shit.

So, you know, good for you. 1995 comes around, and by the end of 95, he'll be wrestling some WWE matches again. He wrestles for NWA Dallas, which is a very small organization. Just the town of early arlington well they run their they do run their events at the sportatorium in dallas which was world-class wrestling's old venue which was basically a giant corrugated steel a big corrugated aluminum shack it looks like a like you would keep like a crop duster in there but instead they had wrestling matches or cock fighting on the weekends that's what it looks like it would have that's the one where we talked about it had the underneath the ring where they would just hose everything from the stands down

and under the ring into some like cesspool under the ring yeah there was like an opening god and they just hose it all down there and uh jim cornett talked about rats would literally fall off of the ceiling while you were sitting there and land on you because they were like running in the pipes and shit in the ceiling. Jesus Christ, man. Yeah. They said when they, what was it, the fryers, they found like five, they don't change like the French fry oil forever. And when they finally tipped it out, they found like five dead rats in the bottom of one of the baskets. Oh, God, Jesus.

It was just dead rats just being fried for months in that place people eating dead rat french fries oh god that's wrestling so um he's going by wolverine at this point um in this should never do that now no he has a lot of alter egos too he's got a lot of names x-men was huge you know everybody had seen fucking a wolverine before yeah that's true that's true yeah i guess so it wasn't as big as it wasn't as big as it was later though because honestly that shit kind of went it wasn't anything for x-Men in the mid-90s. No one cared about that shit then. Comic books were huge in the mid-90s. Not mainstream, though.

They were huge with the... Really? Yeah, I don't think they were... Until all these fucking movies started coming out in the early 2000s, I don't think it was... Yeah, I don't think it was as big... I mean, it was a big deal. You know who Wolverine was, but I don't think it's as mainstream now where every lady knows who Wolverine is. I don't think it's as mainstream now where like every you know every lady knows who wolverine is i don't think it was like 95 was when neo geo came out with the fucking capcom versus uh

yeah this is x-men thing that's pretty fucking that is really like that i don't know that was niche though games is it yeah yeah it's like that far from the fucking fray we we were we were the audience for that at the time like outside you know what i'm saying like that they were that was right to us that they were pitching that i'm just saying like you took your average like you know 35 year old lady with three kids who drives a minivan she doesn't know what the fuck a wolverine is unless her kids are anyway yeah that's it whereas now everybody knows all that shit because it's up your goddamn ass or you can't help it. If you've seen a movie.

Yeah, you can't avoid it. So he goes by Wolverine. He also goes by and he'll bring this one back a few times. Willow the Wisp. OK. Willow the Wisp. Yeah, that's very free. He defeats.

He's in the NFWA, which is in Robbins, North Carolina, here. And he, what is this, March 25th, 1995, he beats his brother, Matt, to win their heavyweight championship. Beat him. Beats his brother, Matt. Yeah, Willow the Wisp beats his brother, Matt, who is going under the name of Surge, like the soda at the time. Then he was going by Jolt after that. Yeah, it is. It's Surge with a U.

That's what a Surge he's going by. He's a Surge. He's going by Jolt after that. It's very good. So he's that. Then he was going to be Ecto Cooler in a couple years. Ooh, that shit was good. I love Ecto Cooler.

It wasn't bad. Oh, yeah, I like that shit. It was fine. So then by June, he's back on monday night raw getting beat by uh waylon mercy who was like wasn't that barry windham i believe waylon mercy was if i'm not was it was either barry windham or uh danny spivey i can't remember which one he was because i'm mixing it up with the the other character that barry windham was the night whatever the fuck night stalker or whatever a few years before that anyway beats him on monday night

raw then on superstars he hakushi beats him as well so he's being a jobber um next up wrestling challenge this is i believe probably all one big taping he is beaten by rad radford oh yeah that's um that's louis piccoli who ended up dying a couple years later oh no yeah yeah he he kind of he looks like if chris Farley was a wrestler, that's the best way to describe Luis Bacali. He's like a blonde kid, like a fat blonde kid who everybody liked. So,

um, anyway, no, these are all different tapings because there's one in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, one at the Wilkes university, March center in Wilkes bear. And then one,

uh, the one where, uh, Oh no, that's this. That's yeah. That's that one. Okay. Then he's this that's yeah that's that one okay then he's going for smw which is smoky mountain wrestling which is jim cornett's company yeah at

the time so tennessee yeah smoky yeah smoky mountain so it's kind of that whole area he what do you call it kentuckiana he always called that area went to all the hillbilly towns he said yeah so he gets beat there he's insane it's funny as shit uh that's at the jellicoe high school in jellicoe tennessee uh-huh wow that sounds really glamorous that night the hardys as a tag team jeff and matt also lose to the headbangers who are on wwf later on mosh and thrash are there then also they lose to pg-13 who is jamie dundee uh and his partner now jamie dundee we absolutely have to do a goddamn episode about because he's a fucking loose cannon menace to society and he's been arrested so many times uh then monday night raw in august of 95 he gets beat by triple h on monday night raw

so there you go he wasn't triple h yet he was still hunter hearst helmsley at this point really he was doing the blue blood i'm from greenwich connecticut thing where he would come with like the ruffles on his collar and yeah act all proper and shit he was still doing that crap uh next up they stick him in a tag team with a guy named brian walsh for a taping just a wrestling challenge taping where they lose to the smoking guns bart and billy gun oh god uh next up monday night raw he gets a match with owen hart that would have been a fucking that match yeah both those guys in their prime would have been a real cool match because those they're both great workers so that would have been fun to watch but owen beats him these are

all two and a half minute little squash matches. I mean everything like that. Hikushi beats him again on Superstars. Razor Ramon he beats in December of 95 he beats Razor Ramon by count out Superstars taping and that's kind of because Razor liked him and wanted to do that.

That's what that was. That's interesting. So 1996 here. We won't go too far into match by match wrestling after this it's going to be crazy but i just want to give you an idea of the start of him um he's and he's wrestled everybody who's anybody which is pretty fucking wild and amazing to get to right out of the fucking gate that's so right yeah he's only 18 at this point in the story like he's still a child the best yeah he's yeah he's getting to do shit like that so uh in in may of 96 and um he him the hardys are beating a dark match for monday

night raw so before it even starts and then also um that for soup wwf superstars that week um they actually get a title match matt and jeff hard. It's just they're going to get squashed, though, against the Smoking Guns. And the Smoking Guns beat them. Then on that taping, they also go up against the New Rockers, who is Marty Jannetty. So they get to actually get in there with Jannetty and Leif Cassidy, who's Al Snow. They tried to make them the New Rockers there. Yeah, that didn't work out very well. No.

They're also that year, 96, they're with ACW. Yeah. I don't know what the fuck ACW is. American Championship Wrestling. I'm sure it is. The TV taping is at Manning Junior High School in Manning, South Carolina. Yeah, that's disappointing. Not even a high school.

Yeah. A junior high school. Yeah, that's not good. So they're losing at a junior high school, the Hardy Boys here. The middle school. This is the first time I see them build in January of 96, the first time I see them build as the Hardy Boys with the fucking Z and everything like that.

It's the first time I see that. So they're going on there. He beats, he wins the NFWA heavyweight title again by beating john savage and then he's fighting he's all acw nfwa not not real good here for him when it comes to that but he's doing he's working his way up this is just experience um yeah so he gets another dark match uh again leaf cassidy beats him he gets a couple more dark matches in 96 there um ncw by the way is national championship wrestling he does a bunch of that in 97 their main their main um uh uh venue is bailey's nightlife club in silva north carolina bailey's nightlife club

which oh boy that does not sound good at all um wow they do a bunch of matches there for those people um ncw um wolverine he is a bunch of times here and willow the wisp seems to be just back and forth again gets some monday night raw spots he gets beat by rob van dam on tv cool so he gets to wrestle him the headbangers beat the the hardy boys on tv um yeah so he's they're one of these they're like a tag team that all the guys behind the scenes are like those guys are fucking good like everybody thinks they're really good but everybody also thinks they're kind of small and uh yeah they're not big dudes at the time it's still kind of especially the tag team division's kind of big guys. Even like the smoking guns are fucking huge.

Those guys are big. You know what I mean? They don't look it compared to some of the guys, but they're giant guys. I loved when there was two Lucha Libre kind of guys. That was so rad to watch. Oh, yeah. That's always fun. Jesus, that was around this time too, 97.

That was huge. Everybody was doing that. So it's at this point where they form Jeff and Matt because their bookings are so kind of few and far between. There's not a lot of smaller federations left anymore, and so their bookings at WWF are rare. So they start their own promotion. What?

They decide to. Yes, it's called Omega or OCW for Omega Championship Wrestling. Omega is Organization of modern extreme grappling arts oh my god the word itself is its own acronym oh yeah oh yeah wow um created and run by matt and jeff they started as something to do basically um they did everything matt sewed all the costumes all the costumes worn. You would do it. They had their sewing skills.

Um, Matt says running the shows was so much trouble and such a hassle. It's great just to be able to work somewhere where you don't have to put the ring up. You don't have to worry about putting up posters. You don't have to worry about putting people in seats. It's nice to just show up, entertain, wrestle and do your thing. Yeah. No shit. Running the show sucks, man.

It sucks. Yeah. It's a nightmare we started omega because at the time there weren't a lot of places to wrestle and we didn't know anyone while uh we did it while we were trying to get our break we kind of made our own opportunity um so jeff also hey he didn't want a book he didn't want to deal with any of that he's just a he's just a performer um and they're not making money enough money to survive here at all. Jeff like Matt's doing all the nuts and bolts of it. So Jeff has like a job while this is going on.

He's doing regular shit here. So he said that he would always be. He tried to be different characters all the time. This gave him an opportunity to fuck around and experiment and do whatever he wanted because he wasn't trying to impress anybody because he was the one running it. So that is the benefit of having your own show. No matter it's comedy or wrestling, you at least get to work on you. Absolutely. A few guys came out of this to Shannon Moore, future guy, Joey Matthews, Steve Carino.

A few guys like that ended up who were kind of well-known later on here. He did all sorts of characters here. Willow the Wisp, Mean Jimmy Jack Tompkins, the Masked Mountain, Iceman. He had a whole bunch of characters he would do, just fucking around trying to do shit here.

Him and his brother wrestle a lot, by the way. Against each other? Against each other as a tag team. They go on and off here. And then they get a couple every once in a while they get a shot at wwe they'll come in for wwf and do a you know shotgun saturday night became a big thing they'd have them on there all the time they need jobbers for that and they're doing their own thing too and it lasts about a year and a half their wrestling promotion

um we'll talk about um it lasts about a year and a half and their wrestling promotion. We'll talk about it. It lasts about a year and a half, and it only stops because they get signed to WWE, so they don't have time for it anymore. They have an actual contract, so it would be counterproductive to do that. Yeah. Actually, this is a cool ASW, which was in North Carolina. They actually had a match with the Hardy Boys

versus Rob Van Dam and Sabu, which that's pretty interesting. That would have been a cool one to see. Now, he's got a bunch of tattoos that he starts getting around this time. The first tattoo he got was in 1998 and he got one that it starts on

his head behind his ear and finishes down around it on his hand. It wraps around his back and goes down his it on his hand it wraps like around his back and goes down his hand that's a lot it's a lot um yeah he said um another one is uh he designs his tattoos too because he likes to do art and shit so he's got a dragon i guess too that he gets um there he also has some chinese symbols that probably don't mean what he thinks they do and i'll decide what he is. Is he a douche or is he a college girl?

Yeah, what is he? What are you? Where is that tattoo? Is that a tramp stamp you got there? So in 98, they get developmental contracts, and this is before WWE had a developmental thing. They didn't even have OVW at this point. They didn't have anywhere to send a kid really

like their own promotion their own under promotion so they didn't have anything like that like this is before Tough Enough

even like Tough Enough didn't even come around until like 2002 so they had Dory Funk Sr. Terry Funk's older brother

and former NWA champion himself he had his own kind of little school where the guys would, the WWE would send people to get trained up with the finer points. So they sent him down.

It's the Funkin' Dojo, it's called, down there. And they're also Edge, Kurt Angle, a whole bunch of people are sent down there. Oh. Yeah. He says that Jeff said one night he remembered trying to do a reverse 450 off the top rope and knocked himself out cold.

Oh, shit. Not good. So now when they come back, basically, they kind of look they have a weird look at first. They have their look is very brightly colored like like you know marty genetti sting type bright colors early 90s too bright yeah in the late 90s and they're they're also they're smaller guys so they're not they just look like oh these guys are gonna get beat up real bad pretty quickly by the road warriors or yeah you know the new blackjacks or something these colors haven't been out long enough for you to bring them back as fucking throwback exactly yeah you know the new blackjacks or something these colors haven't been out long enough for you to bring them back as fucking throwback exactly yeah you can do it now you

know that's fine i noticed later now's a weird time in fashion because you can basically wear anything from the last 40 years and it's considered fine you can wear yeah you can wear tight acid wash jeans if you want to with like a weird you could wear fucking 90s shit you can wear tight acid wash jeans if you want to. You can wear fucking 90s shit. You can wear fucking weird show your pubic area low rise jeans. You can wear mom jeans from 1991. It's just open season. Wear whatever you want, people.

I guess that's good. I don't know. And t-shirts, bands shirts from like TLC to Guns N' Roses to the police. It's so crazy. Nirvana. Tons of Nirvana shirts on the kids too. If it appears to be a throwback, they'll accept it. Yeah.

They're like, that looks right. Okay. So now Michael Hayes, who was one of their idols growing up here, he becomes their manager. Okay. And be kind of showing them the ropes of what to do they need a guy like him a guy who's been around for a long time and shit like that so said to change their look be a little darker kind of be more be more edgy be more kind of alt be like more like that and less kind of corny you know what i'm saying so more grungy and they

do that they come back looking like kind of like alt-rock dudes. Like they have weird, like Jeff always has those weird things on his arms, like those like- Wristbands? No. Metal things. No, no, no, no, no. It's like a sleeve that goes up to his elbow. Oh.

Is it like one of those always on his arms? Like the basketball sleeves? Yeah, but not like that. Kind of like a fashion thing, though. It's not like that. It doesn't look like a compression sleeve. It's something different. He's got that kind of shit on. No, it's not a guard it doesn't look like a compression sleeve it's something different he's got that kind of shit on no it's not a guard it's just for show it's

material yeah it has no functional relevance at all it's just like look at i want this to look cool on my arm type of thing so he's got long sleeves off my shirt and i just got rid of the shirt yeah yeah sort of thing yeah but it comes like around his thumb it's they're made for that if they're weird and then he paints himself in weird ways. Okay. You know, they both, they kind of wore, they would come to the ring in like baggy jeans and like that sort of shit. So they had their own kind of look there. And he, Michael Hayes does help them.

And then they start becoming winners. All of a sudden they start winning matches all the time. Hell yeah. They're fucking, now they're like a hot tag team actually so um on february 7th 1999 matt or jeff hardy appears on an episode of that 70s show yeah really entitled that wrestling show um matt's in it too they're uncredited wrestlers apparently they're at a wrestling match in their wrestling so they get to be seen that way on national tv 1999 he gets a girlfriend okay oh yeah beth brit is her name and um yeah they they start being together wrestling at all no no she's just a girl that that they met um they went to a club

in southern pines north carolina and jeff met her so there you go. Now, 1999, they closed down OCW and they said they, they had signed. They still try to keep it going for a minute, but they couldn't do it anymore. And so, you know, it was difficult. There's actually a two disc DVD set about Omega.

They're wrestling. Yeah. High spots, put it out called Omega uncommon passion. It chronicles the history of the promotion and all that shit if you're a real big hardy fucking connoisseur takes two dvds to get right the fuck through it i bet it's one documentary and one with matches probably i would assume yeah some yeah yeah which is all of it because no one saw that because it wasn't on tv so or anything else so june 29th

1999 is when he and his brother matt win the wwf at the time tag team titles so that's kind of a huge deal you know what i mean now they're they went from being total jobbers you know had to sneak in with their age underage and shit to actually being holding belts. Like this is, yeah, the Rockers never won the belt. So there you go in WWE. Well, they did in the one match, but then they had to, the rope broke. So they gave it back. So they lost them pretty soon afterwards, but it doesn't matter.

They got to be the champs. They've come from having their own piece of shit promotion with a dead mother and a tobacco farming father and the stallion stealing their money and all this type of shit to now they are the wwf tag team champions grace that's grace right there that's grace good things will still happen to him but i'm gonna call that that was his moment where he goes that's a tall mountain yeah i did it god damn it um so they beat the acolytes uh for that and um either way they they start to um they start to really be in the midst of the whole tag team thing they have uh they have a ladder match against edging christian that's a big deal there's

a lot of a lot of different things going on here was cool too yeah yeah he was cool too they can't no christian was the dork yeah ed was the blonde one no they were smaller too no no he was cool too no Christian was the dorky yeah Edge was the blonde one no they were Edge and Christian were smaller too no no no he was brown hair and then Edge was the blonde one

Edge was the blonde one yeah Edge was the blonde they had the yeah they had that big they had that big storyline where they get a manager the Hardy's Lita

and then Matt Hardy and Lita are together but then she cheats on him with Edge and they make a big I remember that whole storyline so that was uh kind of when i was tuning out wrestling at that point there's literally a fucking missionary wrestling tonight yeah this is strange uh wrestlemania 2000 they go up against they have a triple threat ladder match

and wrestlemania the dudley boys edging christian and the hardys wow um yeah they don't win the match edging christian win the match but it doesn't matter because during the match this is where jeff hardy does a swanton bomb onto bubba ray dudley off a 20-foot ladder and it's a it's a big fucking deal in 2000. People are like, holy shit. It's fucking impressive, too, to watch. You're like, 20 feet is so high. Wow, it's a big goddamn ladder. It's a ladder where I would feel uncomfortable putting Christmas lights up on it.

If I intended to stay on this ladder, hang on to it and staple things on it, I would be real uncomfortable and be like, you have that down there? Are you holding it? I'd be freaking the fuck out. It's a ladder. Yes. Yeah. This guy climbs up the ladder with the full intent on standing atop of it for a second and then jumping off of it, which is just fucking bonkers, man. I don't get it.

I don't get it. And the crowd goes batshit when he does it, too. I mean, it's impressive. And he really gains a lot of attention. They both do, but Jeff especially, because his moves are just a little crisper than his brother's. Sure. But he becomes known for these crazy stunts. You know what I mean?

For doing his finisher off of crazy situations that's the problem once again like i said you have to think i gotta do this every fucking night for 20 years how's this going to affect my body and and you know just i think he does even without forethought how's this going to affect me in i don't know seven seconds or so when i jump off this hopefully all calculations are correct exactly yeah i could break my neck doing this real easily anything could go wrong i could try to jump off this ladder it could lose my it could go i can't jump properly anything could happen it's dangerous it's fucking day and he was known as one of the crazier wrestlers that you would

if he was on you'd go oh shit let's see what he does like you you'd watch tv just to see see him so and he says this about his style later on he says quote i just kind of this is what he says in 2000 mind you and he's still going now i just kind of take it day by day because i know i'm not going to be able to do this until the day i retire he said i'll eventually slow down my body's going to slow down it's in the process of slowing down now. I'm 23, and I hurt sometimes when I get up in the morning. 23. 23.

That was 22 years ago. Right. And he's been doing it since then. Holy shit. You wonder why he's into painkillers. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's how he felt then.

So, wow. He says, you adapt to this, but when you wake up, you're going to hurt because we do this every night. It takes a toll on your body. I just hope that I can kind of ride it slow and not slow down as much. Well, that's wow. That's not good. He says that the pain is one thing. But the biggest problem he has is he really hates to travel.

He's not not into traveling. He likes doing the shows, hates doing the travel. More sympathetic. Same. I could not be. Yeah, this is how we talk about every time. Jesus, if we could teleport to these shows, we could do them all the time. God, we are the same man, Jeff.

No shit. He says, it really gets you sometimes. You get home, and sometimes you're home for an evening, and you have to leave the next day. It's pretty consistent, though. We leave on Saturdays and come home on Wednesdays, where we have Thursday and Fridays off. But right now, being the champions, the appearances are crazy. Because at the time, they were tag team champs. So on your days off, you'd have to do promotional shit.

So you didn't get any days off. Get to the grocery store, you son of a bitch. Yep. So Lita, 2000 is when they picked up Lita. Like I said, she is the female manager there. And they had a feud with Edge and Christian, and then she was fucking around with Christian and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All that crap. As that's going on, in 2001, they give Jeff a singles push here.

Yeah, because Matt's involved in his own thing with Edge, so they give him a singles push here yeah because i because matt's involved in his own thing with edge so they give him a singles push and he actually uh defeats triple h to become the intercontinental champion holy 2001 which is pretty goddamn cool uh he also defeats uh jerry linda be the light heavyweight champion and beats uh and he wins the hardcore championship Championship as well. So defeating Mike Awesome and Rob Van Dam. So not too bad. He competes February 25, 2002. Him and his brother and five other guys from WWF compete on Fear Factor. Really?

Mm-hmm. They ate some Madagascar Hissing beetles and a bull's asshole does everybody know what fear factor is now i don't think everybody does do they not know if you're 22 do you have yeah you don't know what fear factor is how the fuck would they know yeah fear factor was a crazy crazy show where they would just bring in people to compete and And the premise was, we'll give you money if you outlast the other person in, like, drinking bull semen. And if you don't, you get ugots. You get ugots. And you just ate a whole shitload of goat testicles for nothing.

For nothing. And you just ate a whole shitload of maggots for nothing. Or they're going to put you in a tank and put like a hundred snakes on top of you and you gotta see who can lay in it the longest and while while a a fucking psychopath screams in your face yeah it's always something gross too like we found the pituitary gland of the yak it has a special liquid inside of it that you know and it's like for whatever reason you have to eat that liquid inside yeah you have to eat the the pit like for whatever reason it's putrid liquid inside you have to eat the the pituitary fluid of a yak's pituitary fluid is the only way you can

win this and who can drink the most of it there was one that was literally bull rectum and you had they measured how long the bull rectum was and then who could eat the longest junk of it yeah how do you do that like while a lunatic screams eat that bull rectum come on you want to go home to your kids what are they gonna think of you what do you mean what what are they gonna think of me when your kids aren't gonna have respect for you because you only ate 14 inches of bull rectum when that guy ate 17 inches of bull rectum i think once the bull rectum enters your mouth the fight for your kids respect has flown right out the fucking window and if you're divorced the fight for your children custody begins now they just play that in court well here's him eating bull rectum for money that

he never won by the way because he's a loser he never has shit but that was the show that was the show lay in a in a plexiglass coffin while they dump fucking spiders on you all the time it happened so black scorpions what'd they do what did they how were they did they win it no well it was individuals jeff was eliminated in the first round yeah he wasn't into it at all his brother though won the whole thing really his brother won fifty thousand dollars it was for charity it was you know what that was a theme he didn't win a goddamn thing but he did a lot of gross shit yeah for charity 2003 they released their book um it is called the hardy boys of course they've got something to say already oh yeah yeah it's an autobiographical

memoir good lord they're you know he's like 25 years old so it was also a new york times best seller at this point um now 2003 in april of 2003 jeff is released from wwe really they release him at that point the reasons given are erratic behavior drug use refusal to go to rehab for drug use deteriorating ring performance because of drug use and as well as constant tardiness and no showing events probably because of drug use because we're thinking maybe that has something to do with drug use i'm gonna say might be drug use could be drug use we're not sure we're out on a limb here so what does he do rather than redouble his efforts he starts a band oh my god yeah he's what can i do that it is encouraged to do drugs yeah what's better for this where will

no one yell at me for drugs how about if i have my own band he calls it paroxygen hate it already paroxy one word with a question mark and then pushed up against that question mark gen so it's not paroxygen no paroxygen oh my god i don't like it yeah he uh shannon moore is one of the guys the wrestler the wrestler there. I don't even get it. He converted a trailer into a recording studio and taught himself how to play guitar. That's what he did. So this is a guy who is real bored. He created three-dimensional artworks as well outside. He's just losing his mind here.

He made a 30-foot statue of what he called an aluminum mummy. I don't know what that is. An aluminum mummy? I guess so. Named Nero Ami. He made it out of tinfoil, Jimmy. Yeah, of course he did. Okay.

There's a thing with crazy people in tinfoil. I don't know what it is, but every cop, if you know a cop in a big city who was a cop for 20 years, ask them, what's up with crazy people in tinfoil? They'll go, oh, my God, I don't know what it is, but crazy people are so fucking attracted to tinfoil it's not even funny. They think tinfoil is like how you solve everything. Yeah. They put it on their windows. They make fucking helmets out of it. They wrap their credit cards in it.

They do all sorts of weird shit. But everything is always tinfoil based. It's never parchment paper. It's never anything. It's always tinfoil. But it reflects all the bad energy. Always. I would love to know the tinfoil industry, which I mean, it seems to be doing fine, I

guess. It's thriving. Yeah. Like what percentage of the tinfoil industry is just not food wrap or anything like that? Just crazy people using the tinfoil for non-recommended usages. We found the industry that is fighting hard back against mental health. Yeah. It's tinfoil.

Big aluminum. These people can take care of themselves, says John W. Reynolds of the Big Reynolds. Big aluminum. These people can take care of themselves, says John W. Reynolds. Big Reynolds. Big Reynolds. So I don't know what's up with that. So that's what he builds. By the way, his recording studio is a spray-painted trailer, like we said. I didn't say we—he spray-painted the outside of it because that'll make it more attractive.

Yeah. Because that'll make it more attractive. And he made an artificial volcano in his front yard, which he then would jump his motocross dirt bike over. It's a big volcano. I guess he made a big volcano there in his front yard. He's got a lot of time. That's the thing here. Sure does. Yeah, it's fucking interesting.

He also has a bunch of original paintings things that he sold uh he does all sorts of weird shit there he um he's an interesting guy now during this period the reason why he left is now this is from jim ross talked about it on his podcast the one with uh conrad thompson was grilling jr i think is the name of it he talked about that yeah grilling jr he said um basically that jeff is the way jim put it in perfect terms he said he's in total denial all the time i said i tried to talk to him he's looking all fucked up all the time backstage we said jeff what the hell's going on and he said total denial he said one day he looked wrecked before a card but he's supposed to go out and wrestle soon.

He goes, he looked fucked up. I mean, his eyes didn't look right. You could tell there's something wrong with him. Yeah, he's on something. Something's fucked up. And they came up to him and said, obviously, you can't go out there in this condition. Like, this isn't going to work. You need to go to rehab.

You're going to hurt that guy, too. You could hurt somebody. He said, you need to go to rehab and all that. Jim Ross said he told him that, listen, you can't make to rehab and uh all that jim ross said he told him that listen you can't make any money getting high that no one's gonna pay you to get high he goes you can you can make a lot of money being jeff hardy though he said yeah that's that's a very lucrative business being high is not a lucrative business which right pretty straightforward way to put it jeff said i'm not going to fucking rehab um all. And Jim Ross said this is during a period where he was like wrecking.

He wrecked multiple Corvettes that he had. He was just reckless. He was out of control. He's a fucking daredevil. I mean, ration cars. He likes to jump motorcycles and fucking do Swanton bombs off 20 foot high ladders. This is not a guy who takes his you know health and well-being and and keeping his body in one piece is a real important thing in his life it seems like so he

wouldn't do anything like that and jim ross said everybody likes jeff he's not a dick everybody liked him everybody wants him to do well but he wouldn't admit he had a problem and he wouldn't go to rehab he said i'm fine so they had to fire him he said no choice gotta fire you sorry he was a big star too he was one of their biggest stars. But they said he's going to fucking break his neck on live television. What are we supposed to do with that? So they had to fire him. He goes to TNA after that, which you might as well go back to the Trampoline Wrestling Federation.

Oh, it's not trampoline, the T? No, no, no. Trampoline nonstop action no yeah trampoline non-stop action nonsense action probably equal amount of caring about it as tna though so um he has a match there june 23rd 2004 pretty much right after he leaves wwe he's immediately in tna so they were like i don't care what you're on we need names yeah we Yeah. We need names. So at their second anniversary show, he had a match against AJ Styles and all that. He debuts his theme song, his new theme song at the time, which is performed by himself. So there you go.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He made his own. And performed Jeff Hardy. By Jeff Hardy and his fucking band in his trailer with the 30 foot aluminum foil statue and a fake volcano outside. He also gives himself a new nickname, the charismatic enigma. He calls himself after that. So anyway, he he ends up doing well in TNA because they need stars. So, I mean, they're going gonna do fine with them um he um

had a big feud with jeff jarrett at one point then one match i thought was pretty cool at turning point which is i guess one of their pay-per-views he him aj styles and macho man randy savage who had come back very briefly to tna here. Defeated Jeff Jarrett, Scott Hall, and Kevin Nash. Awesome. I'm like, wow. So that's pretty fucking fun. He probably really enjoyed that. He got to hook up with fucking Macho Man, which is pretty goddamn neat.

So yeah, he no-showed an event, though, in 2005 here, and he was suspended from TNA. And then he apparently gets released from TNA in 2006 in June because he's just too fucking unreliable. He keeps not showing up. So that's in June. August 4, 2006, WWE announced they re-signed him. Two months later, he's okay. Yeah. Eight weeks. Yeah. So he's in TNA for two two years has the same problems he has in wwe and they go that's no problem sure you can

sign with us yeah you're i'm sure you're good now right so um there's a bunch of vignettes you know airing his they hype his return because it's a big deal. And, yeah, he ends up doing, you know, having a lot of big feuds there and having a huge, pretty big impact on wrestling here. This is really when Jeff kind of, he was big on his own before this, but he was really a good era for him here. He becomes, he's insanely popular. But then in March of 2008, March 11, 2008, he is, I guess, gets dinged for a second violation of the drug policy at that point. Is this this is the few years post Eddie Guerrero where they really acted like they really took the drug policy seriously? Yeah. Well, they had a whole thing about they have a you got a 30-day suspension then a 60-day suspension and then you were you know suspended for a year like there was a whole

like in sports they had a like a structure set up disciplinary yeah disciplinarian yeah right i don't know if that's that's quite the way it is today anymore there wrestling has they go basically vince when there's a big hubbub about something like in the 90s when he was arrested for steroids and our guys are clean our guys are super clean our guys are super clean and then by the late 90s obviously no one is fucking clean everybody's jacked up on rides again by four years later and then eddie guerrero dies and then they have to go there's no drugs here at all. Everybody's super clean. Everybody's super clean. We're doing all this testing.

And then nobody dies on their watch for a while. So they're like, you know, you could be a little bigger, I bet. And then these guys look the way they look to where they get cast in movies. People are telling me, Bautista, that guy just naturally looks like that, huh? No. Yeah, that's exactly what he looks like. Yep, he's like a 50-year-old man. He just looks like that normally. The guy just does a few curls and some push-ups and exactly what he looks like yep he's uh he's like a 50 year old man he just looks like that normal guy just does a few curls and some push-ups and shit and just

looks like that if your genetics are good enough you look jacked at 55 you have a six-pack at 55 it's just the way it all works man because he was in his 30s when he started wrestling yeah so he's in his 50s now yeah he was in his 40s when he was certainly guardians of the galaxy like 38 or whatever he's in his 50s now. Yeah, he was in his 40s when he was in fucking Guardians of the Galaxy. Like 38 or whatever. Certainly not looking like that. He looks amazing. I'll give him all the credit in the world.

He looks great. Not his face. His head is fucking bizarre. No, no, no. Yeah, but his body for an old man. His body is amazing. He's doing great. So that's March 11th with WWE.

He fails his drug test. suspend him okay march 14th three days later his house burns down huh well it's a trailer it's a double wide trailer he's living in but it burns down it's a different that's his studio this is his house um yes his house burns down he loses everything he owns inside the house it's all gone a trailer will go fast there's no right now there's no putting that out by the time the fire department gets there it's over yeah you know cheap carpet and fucking particle board that shit goes up quick by then they're just dragging the chassis out of the ground yeah yeah and it's sitting up off the ground so there's air getting all into it and fueling yeah it's like a fucking wind tunnel it just if there's any window open it's just a vent sucking air sucking air into that fuel now neither he nor his girlfriend uh same girlfriend by the way beth was home but his

dog also died in it his dog jack died in the fire damn it so that's really shitty um they weren't home um i guess matt saw smoke coming from the double wide but it was too late to do anything about it and it just burned yeah as soon as you see smoke you you better just call if it's a trailer yeah just try to keep it from catching anything else on fire wet everything around it that's it um so matt describes the whole fire in detail here later on he says quote i quote, I was having a pretty standard got to fly out early and go to work tomorrow, Friday night. I was washing and packing clothes, booking my rental car and writing bills to put out and put in the mail on my way to the airport in the morning. Around midnight on Saturday, March 15th, I let my beloved pet dog Lucas outside to use the bathroom.

As I stepped outside, I smelled smoke. I walked around to my garage area and could see huge flames burning through the woods. The large flames appeared to be very close to Jeff's place, about a third of a mile away from my house. My first initial thought was that Jeff was burning either trash or a brush pile. I then questioned my thought, considering how big the size of the flames looked yeah that's i mean is he burning a statue that's bigger than a cookie crisp box no shit for a second i thought it might be the huge ramp on jeff's motocross track cross or his old recording studio i quickly jumped in my car and drove down the back road that connects our

two properties as i pulled around the lake that bordered jeff's home i witnessed a horrific mental image that will always be etched in my mind i could see over jeff's recording studio that my brother's home was engulfed in flames i violently stopped my car jumped out and ran toward jeff's jeff's burning home yelling for my brother at the top of my lungs my initial fear was that jeff and beth were burning to death inside of their house yeah jesus christ the dark thought i was as and i was the only person on the scene i was frantic i ran down onto the front porch kicked at the flaming front door yelling for jeff and beth i could only stay there for a second the temperature and the of the heat was unbearable and i couldn't breathe due to smoke and lack of oxygen. The entire structure was covered in flames.

I ran to the other side of Jeff's place and saw that his car was gone. I internally prayed that Jeff, Beth, and Jack weren't in there. Jack's the dog. I didn't have my cell phone on me because I had left my house in such a panic. I jumped in my car and raced back home to get my phone. About the same time I got into my car i could hear

sirens signifying the fire trucks were on the way i got home and called jeff it went straight to voicemail my heart dropped oh my god i called beth and she picked up i hysterically asked if jeff was there and he was jeff and beth had been out to eat and he was currently getting the Hardy Boys tattoo on the back of his neck filled in at Shannon's shop. He's getting some tat work done. I frantically explained what was happening and that he had to get there now. The first thing Jeff said was, Matt, can you kick down the door and get Jack? Please get Jack, Matt. It was heartbreaking.

I told Jeff it was too late. Everything was gone. The fire had destroyed everything. Oh, that sucks. Hope you can remember everything in your life with that tattoo because you have no other memories. Nothing else left. Even a dog.

Sorry. I was already back on the way to Jeff's burning home as I was getting off the phone with him. By the time I returned to the scene, the fire department was there and they were fighting the fire. There were fire trucks and police and emergency vehicles everywhere. It looked like a scene out of a movie. When Jeff and Beth finally got there, the shock of reality truly set in on them. I've never felt so bad and helpless and powerless for two people before.

It took the firefighters until almost 4 a.m. to put out the flames. Wow. That shit'll smolder. With the exception of the clothes on their bodies, everything that Jeff and Beth owned had been destroyed. That sucks. But the most tragic loss to them was their beloved dog, Jack. Jeff and Beth were crushed. If you've ever been extremely close to a pet, you know how painful it is to lose them.

It's like the pet becomes your child. About 5 a.m., Jeff and Beth came to my house, which is now their house for the time being. Neither one of them could even think about sleeping, and they were both still in shock. I made sure that they knew where everything was in my house and how it worked so they could function independently in my place. I spent some time talking to them, then finished packing my stuff. I headed to the airport to go to Louisiana about 8 a.m. without any sleep. This was definitely one of the worst days of my life. Yeah, I bet.

Jesus. He goes on to say, five days later, it's still surreal. It's so hard to believe that this has actually happened. I thank God that Jeff and Beth weren't inside the house asleep. As of right now, it seems the fire was started by electrical wires that had been unknowingly damaged underneath Jeff's place. There's so much misinformation out there. I wanted everyone to hear and understand the truth behind this tragedy. Well, well yeah everybody said he was probably cooking meth in there when that happened that's exactly well jeff was probably cooking meth in a trailer and it went up in flames like that's what

everybody said at the time just because you know people are shitty he said it's amazing how how wires can do that to your house though and you have no fucking idea because it's all behind walls or whatever the hell would you know yeah you have no fucking idea because it's all behind walls or whatever. What the hell would you know? You have no fucking idea. It's not like you can check on it once a month. You check the wires? Oh, yeah, I peeled all the walls off and checked them this month. Yeah, it should be good. Spring cleaning.

Pull the drywall. We'll re-drywall this whole place. Yeah, let's do it. We're going to change all the wires out. So he says, as I type this, I hear Jeff upstairs coughing due to being sick. I've never seen my brother as stressed out as he is right now jeff is sick because his body is so run down from not sleeping and being stressed out he needs all of our support now more than ever jeff has done so many good things for so many people across the world now is the time i hope everybody remembers that the support and um

and help that have been offered courtesy of my family, friends, and fans has been amazing. Thank you. Calling, texting, or sending a message to support another human being that just went through a personal tragedy means a lot. It tells so much about a person's character. In addition, not contacting or showing support is also very telling of a person's character. Jesus. Oh, my.

Well, we're going to make you feel damned if you don't? What the fuck, man? Listen, we're keeping track about who fucking calls him. You don't show support. We got your name down over here. What is he, like a mob guy? Jesus Christ, man. He says, I've received several thousands of requests from people wishing to help Jeff and Beth out during their crisis.

Speaking for them, we're very thankful. If you have any extras of Jeff's old wrestling memorabilia, pictures, action figures, magazines, et cetera, send those to me. If you see some clothing that you think would look good on Jeff or Beth, send that to me. Any item that you can think of that are similar to these things, that's what will be the hardest for them to replace. They're looking into building a new house now but all of you could contribute the

things that truly build a house into a home anything they would need to complete a new home that's what jeff and beth need now if you have something to send send it to when he gives his address here so how much lingerie did beth get oh man they sent them dildos all the time and fucking all sorts of dirty shit a couple of butt plugs with animal tails on i think this will look great on jeff you're gonna need this jeff the captain bruner of the cameron fire department said that uh they ruled out the cause of fire um that as they they basically ruled out arson as the cause of file that fire they ruled it as undetermined.

They said it was so bad, burnt so bad they couldn't do anything. It was fully engulfed. But they said that they don't suspect any foul play because he didn't have any insurance. Oh, my God. Nothing. So he just lost everything with no insurance. So there'd be absolutely no reason for him to set this fire on purpose unless he just wanted to throw all of his shit in the garbage and not going to dine for it. Does dog have cancer?

Was that his fucking? Yes. Yes. I can't take him down there, man. So he said, I lost my championship, my house, my dog and a chance to be in WrestleMania. All that kind of happened in the same week. So that was three days earlier is when they told him to go home. So.

And all this happened to a drug addict.-oh yeah with a problem here um so september 2008 um what was the fire in march of 2008 i believe yeah march 14th 2008 so by september of 2008 he is um he's still he's in wwe at this point still um he's kicked off a plane oh he gets kicked off a southwest flight which is how do you how do you act up on a southwest flight i've seen i've seen people close yeah i've seen people clothesline each other over bulkhead so i don't know what you can how do you make yourself look like it too much of a piece of shit for southwest oh shit that shit this isn't greyhound buddy that shit doesn't fly so he was flying out of nashville and um apparently he was

shit hammered drunk too drunk to fly too drunk here um they said that um he apparently was going to a promotional appearance or something and he said said later on, quote, I've been, I had been drinking a lot. I'm not going to lie. I guess I was stumbling boarding the plane. I then was asleep when the security told me to get off the plane. They told him he was too drunk to fly. Unbelievable. He just went in and passed right out.

And they were like, no, no, you got to go. And it's fascinating on a Southwest plane, those ladies or flight attendants in general on those planes, men or women, hate you if you fall asleep. They are furious that you want to rest while they got to work. They'll hit you with the snack basket. They'll hit you right with it. Yeah. How dare you be comfortable? This plane is set up so no one's comfortable.

I've been woken up on those planes to be offered their shitty pretzels i was asleep how dare you oh god do you know how long it took me you bastard how hungry do you think i am that i'm gonna wake up from a sound sleep to eat your fucking half an ounce of pretzels how did you think i died and needed nourishment jesus fucking christ man so he he um yeah they kick him off the plane too drunk to fly he did cooperate with security and leave the plane so he wasn't that drunk to you know be belligerent um wwe said listen that's not a third strike that doesn't count as a third strike you didn't fail fail a drug test. Guys are allowed to drink. He just had a couple too many. That's all. It happens.

So, yeah, they said it's okay. So 2009 at Extreme Rules, Hardy wins his match here and becomes the world heavyweight champion for the first time. Wow. Big deal here. But immediately after the match, they have that money in the bank thing where you win a match at WrestleMania, then you can cash this in and get a title match whenever you want. CM Punk came in with that and then beat him because he had just had a match. So he came in and beat him and that's he lost it. So there you go. He's going to leave WWE pretty short after this shortly after this, though. He's going to kind of leave on his own he says of his own volition here um he's got a shitload of injuries yeah his body's broken down he's got like a disc problem in his back his lower back hurts all sorts of issues here um so also he wants to work on a reality show as well so he uh he does that they have it's he loses the to cm punk in a loser leaves wwe match

because they know he was taking a break anyway so he does that he has two herniated discs in his lower back and he also says he's suffering from restless leg syndrome which yeah who isn't quitting smoking yeah let me fucking break here. Jesus Christ. And his contract was up also, so they were just kind of, he's like, I'm going to be good for a little while and leave here. So apparently the WWE offered him a big money deal to stay. It was a sweet deal, too, because it was just for TV tapings and pay-per-views, no house shows or anything. Oh, that's great. And he said, nope, don't want to do it. Can't do it.

Easy money, no? Easy money, don't want to do it. His back's that fucked. Yep. They also wanted him to sign a big merchandising contract because they want him to be, you know, he sells a lot of merchandise. So instead, he signs a deal with Fox 21 Studios for a reality show. That's what he's going to try to do here.

Yeah, that's his deal. Following his drug addiction? Well, no, they're working on, WWE was working on a Jeff Hardy DVD and all this type of shit as well to do a little documentary on him. But, yeah, they said that he's been wrestling on herniated discs and all that sort of thing. So, you know, he's also been given public appearance and independent date offers since leaving WWE. And apparently he's charging 10 to 15 grand a pop for an independent promotion.

Oh, shit. Because he'll draw a crowd. He's a big star, so he'll actually draw a crowd. He said he isn't interested at the moment, though. He wants to give his body time to heal and do his reality show. Why is that always so funny? Because it is. It's ridiculous.

It's so dumb. His version of a reality show and healing is September of 2009 getting arrested on charges of trafficking and controlled prescription pills and possession of anabolic steroids. Oh, boy. Yes. The task force searches his house and in Cameron there, and they find 262 Vicodins, 180 somas and 555 milliliters of anabolic steroids. I don't know if that's a lot. I don't know if that's a lot.

I don't know if that's a lot. It seems like a bunch. I think if you drank it all, you'd probably be huge. That's all I'm going to say. It's probably in vials, right? Or is it in a bag? I don't know. Like the meat at Taco Bell?

It just comes in a bag? A big plastic bag of it? Yeah, yeah. I get what you're saying. I just pictured it like a big sack of frozen meat. How many milliliters? Five hundred fifty five milliliters. That's a fucking fifth.

That's a lot. That seems like a lot. Yeah, that's enough steroids probably. And also a residual amount of powder, cocaine and a bunch of drug paraphernalia for other shit and stuff like that. He was partying. paraphernalia for other shit and stuff like that he was partying sad thing is if like if you if i found this at your house if i found this at your house i would assume you were selling the shit yeah if i found that at a wrestler's house i'd assume that was personal use that's for this week that's literally those guys i mean shit it's it's fucking ridiculous so 200 vicodin and 100 soma

that's 262 vicodin and 180 somas yeah that's certainly this week that's a month yeah that's a month probably uh you know i'm not sure i don't know i'm just saying uh 262 is a shitload of vicodin even if you're taking oh yeah i guess that's a few 40 a day but those a lot those well i mean what's his name raven said he was taking 50 percocets a day at one point. So, yeah, that could be. I mean, if you're a raging fucking drug addict, that's not that much. That's all.

That's that. You could do that. And, yeah, it was a joint investigation by officers with the Moore County Sheriff's Office and they are non-narcotic and narcotic select enforcement units and the fayetteville police department as well so two fucking departments came together for this shit they had received information that he had a bunch of shit in his house they raided his house 10 30 a.m on a friday um beth was not arrested just him she was home though his um he is arrested for trafficking in opium is the first charge. Two counts of felony possession with intent to sell or deliver a schedule three controlled substance. Felony maintaining a dwelling to keep controlled substance.

Felony possession of cocaine and misdemeanor possession of drug paraphernalia. Bail set at one hundred twenty five thousand dollars. They're getting him for trafficking like he's a kingpin. Like he's a kingpin. Meanwhile, he's a kingpin of fucking opiates. Meanwhile, he's a wrestler who bought a month's supply. Right. You know? Brother Matt posts his bail is what all the reports are.

But later on, they'll say, no, not true at all here. Hardy posts, a lot of exaggerations are out there today. Don't believe everything you read for it is not true. I am home and fine. Thanks for your concern. Okay. He also says, for the record, Matt didn't bail me out, loan me money, or is his name on anything. He's just

learning about today's situation. The media is the media. I wish they would at least report the story correctly and accurately. I will make a statement later. It's been a long, stressful day for me but everything will be okay guaranteed like public enemy said don't believe the hype that's what he says all right yeah and by the way it never comes out that the report was any different than what

exactly that what happened than what was reported yeah it doesn't he's just high and probably saw it differently depending his brother yeah if you're taking handfuls of Vicodin and Somas, you probably see things slightly different than reality. I'm just saying. Yeah. And you probably don't. He's got guilt and he doesn't want to bring his brother down with him, too. No. No, absolutely.

So a conviction on the opium trafficking charge, even for a first time offender in North Carolina, carries a minimum sentence of 3 to 14 years minimum wow so that's a big fucking deal that's why they hit him with that so they can plea him out and you know they can go you want to do 15 years or you want to plead um so january 2010 pretty soon after this tna signs him because why not he's been in the news yeah they're so desperate for anybody with name recognition they'll bail it'll be like the replacements like they'll bail a guy out of jail to bring him to the fucking arena have him do something it's pathetic so he um he ends up with tna who does a bunch of shit for tna nobody fucking cares about tna please i don't care about this at all, especially 12-year-old TNA.

Who gives a shit? October 2010, he announces that his girlfriend, the longtime girlfriend now over 10 years, is pregnant. Oh. Oh, yes. And October 19th, 2010, they have a daughter, their first daughter, Ruby Claire Hardy. Ruby after his deceased mom. Very nice there. Very nice. Now, December 2010, he's got to go to court.

And they make a deal that he will plead guilty in court, obviously. He's going to plead guilty to at least one of the drug charges in exchange for a lesser sentence. And he tells a reporter, quote, i'll make the best of it bro what listen bro that's a cheery attitude for this bro uh march 9th 2011 he marries beth finally gee what was it the over a decade together the having a child which was what made you finally pull the trigger jeff what are we talking the fact that you both watched everything you own burn before your eyes that should bond you enough for a wedding i think at that point right yeah either a breakup or a wedding i think it's so it looks

better for sentencing he's a problem he's got a young wife and child that sounds better than him his girlfriend and his baby so yeah just sounds better to say his wife and child need him so uh march 13th 2011 tna's victory road pay-per-view um he has a match with sting jeff does yeah which is cool for him it lasts less than two minutes though um the company deemed that jeff was in no condition to perform jeff showed up to a match like that high with sting too which is i don't know if now here's the thing i don't know if they knew it beforehand put him out there anyway just so the crowd wouldn't bitch that he didn't show so they couldn't say like oh jeff did you know something bad happened but whatever i don't know if they did that then went okay and then pulled him or if they didn't notice he was

fucked up till he got out there and then they went jeff isn't looking right stop this fucking match tell the ref now to you know call a disqualification or something i don't know what the hell happened there but either way no condition to perform and uh that week's, which is their weekly show, he was sent home from that as well. That is the death of your career, man. He is having so many problems. So he needs to lay low. He can't be sent home from work. Not for shit like this.

It's one thing to get fucked up. That's the thing about the difference. The old timey wrestlers did so many drugs and so many pills and all of this shit. But in the ring no yeah in the ring those guys were ready to fucking go they weren't fucked up in the ring they just didn't get fucked up before they went in the ring they got fucked up afterwards that's what they did and the locker room started with the beer and then they went out and did their pills and all that shit but that was for later you still have to perform. Yeah. And it'll get you yanked off of shows forever.

Same with comedy. There was a dude that was featuring at the club with me, and I did fucking 12 minutes out front. He got drunk as shit, did eight minutes, and closed. Yeah, you can't do that. They sent him home and brought in another comedy to feature the rest of the weekend. Yeah, that's what happens. You don't fuck with the show.'s no that's the rule in this you do all this shit people travel

people show up they get dressed up they do all this shit to go on and do their thing for a very limited amount of time you need to be able to perform yeah for when it's your time to perform and if you can't they'll find somebody that can and that's the way it works in every entertainment that's the other thing with with comedy and wrestling aligning is that your showcase spot is around 8 to 12 minutes that's it work for your 8 to 12 and get the fuck off the stage and then do whatever you want and in comedy we've seen that too guys you'll get a little fucked up before a show or something but in comedy it's different because there's no physical activity so right right your your equilibrium doesn't have to be whatever yeah My motion doesn't require yours to be on point either.

Exactly. I'm not going to hurt somebody else if my joke doesn't work. I won't break anyone's neck if I tell my joke wrong because I had one too many. But in comedy, it's actually to your advantage a lot of times whatever kind of person you are. If you want to have a beer beforehand or you want to have a fucking smoke a joint beforehand,

that can really help you. Whereas in wrestling, you got to be fucking beer beforehand or you want to have a fucking smoke a joint beforehand, that can really help you. Whereas in wrestling, you got to be fucking. It can only hurt you. It can only hurt you. But even that, comics know the limit of when they cannot do their show anymore. You know, and then the good ones know to stop. And then afterwards, you can be an animal and do whatever you want. But during the show, you got to keep a certain level together.

Keep your shit together august uh of 2011 oh this is matt this isn't even him never mind his brother matt gets a dui oh matt's god damn it matt's charged after his he drives his car into a tree oh boy um yeah now um the state trooper said he clearly wasn't drinking but appeared to have taken some kind of impairing substance yeah it was probably pills he was rushed to the hospital also two days later after falling down in his home oh so like a head injury or something i don't know if he was just fucked up and fell down like passed out or whatever so matt is released from tna at that point as well now even when nobody's hurt in those accidents but those are the ones that scare me and

worry me the most because they're so reckless they hit something that is not moving and is so far off the road and also never it was always there yeah they hit a fucking stationary object it didn't run out in front of them and i couldn't get out of the way it's been there yeah they hit a fucking stationary object it didn't run out in front of them and i couldn't get out of the way it's been there for decades and you ran into it like yeah it's not like somebody just their car broke down and it's on the side of the road and it's there's never a car there a new hazard right this is a tree that's feet off the road and has been there to become a fucking tree since 1920 and you fucked it up. Ran into it. That's horrifying. So September 8th, 2011 is sentencing for Jeff.

Jeff pleads guilty to two felonies, possession of a controlled substance with intent to deliver and one count of conspiracy to traffic, which I don't think that's what he was doing. I really don't. That's personally used there. Yeah. He is. Okay. His attorney arranges this plea deal for him to minimize the prison time um obviously here uh he must remain also after the jail time in a drug abuse treatment program as well and he is sentenced to oh boy you sir may fuck off 10 days in jail that ought to teach him that ought to learn him two years of probation and a hundred thousand dollar fine that two years is a bitch though man

that's a lot for a guy who does a lot of drugs that's the problem that's not good nope um now he's also given clearance though during this to be able to travel outside of the state to continue working, being a wrestler. So October 4th, 2011, like a week later, he decides that's when he's going to serve his time. They work that out. He serves his 10 days. He gets a mug shot arriving in jail. He's listed at 6'1", 215 pounds on his intake. That's his stats yeah um yeah uh that's him on roids though as we'll find out that's not his normal walking around weight

is that right no no no none of these guys are that fucking big you can't be that it's just not normal especially if you travel all the time and shit you don't what the fuck are you doing you don't have 15s not like that though 6'1 21 2 15 if it's if there if you have like a fucking 32 waist it's pretty big yeah that's a good point you know what i mean if you're a thin guy and you put that on your shoulders and arms are way bigger than they were before i'm fucking five inches shorter and only 30 pounds wider yeah but where is it it's not in your shoulders and biceps that's the problem i carried it all on my dick james yeah god damn it your weight's carried in a different place than jeff hardy's weight it's a typical area yeah it's it's pretty typical the old the old neck chin and belly

that's how it works jeff by the way never looks like cut up or anything like that he's not that kind of guy he's not a body guy he's a he's a performer guy so he doesn't ever have to really look like that that 215 is just to be able to take that kind of abuse and bumps and the steroids are just to work that schedule and do the recovery time you need it so um he said he wanted to check into jail and get it over with he gets released and he tweets hail freedom on his way out oh let's not say hail anything no let's not let's keep that to yourself let's just nix that word that's a bad word it's that word so it's been used for bad things in the past let's So he he then becomes their champion again at TNA and he starts wrestling as Willow now. Not the Willow.

Just like. No. Yeah. Just Willow. And he's wearing a weird mask now. He's wearing a weird. It looks like the WCW wrestler from the 90s psychosis. It looks like that mask.

Like it's like a weird. Did I see this. It's a weird mask man. He just starts wearing a weird mask like it's like a weird did i see this it's a weird mask man he just starts wearing a weird mask it's 2012 2012 he's doing this here um then 2013 that matt and jeff say they're going to revive omega ocw is back they're making their own again oh yeah they they have a different they have an event they run in january 2013 features matt and jeff and hurricane helms and all sorts of people steve carino and fucking lodi and cw anderson all sorts of shit going on here um he also uh he wrestles as himself

he wrestles as willow the wisp yeah he wrestles as all sorts of shit here. So now he's getting into his music as well. In 2013, through TNA Music, because they have their own label, Paroxygen releases an album. Plurality of Worlds is their first album. It's marketed as a Jeff Hardy solo album because it's through TNA, but it's actually the band. Plurality of Worlds is their first album. It's marketed as a Jeff Hardy solo album because it's through TNA, but it's actually the band. Plurality? Plurality of Worlds. Oh, my God.

They released their second album in 2015, we'll talk about. That is Singeness Rift after that. And then their third album, Procession of the equinoxes pre-session not procession okay pre-session of the equinoxes this is gonna be a trilogy album jesus fucking christ he's very pretentious to me right now he really thinks he's a brilliant man he thinks he's just real artsy and shit it's's like, you're a redneck who plays on dirt bikes. Calm down. Don't call me that.

My music's too cerebral for you. That's what it is. You just don't get it. You don't understand. Describe an Equinox. I don't know. It's made by Chevy. I think it's a terrible car.

It's a shitty vehicle. I think he knows what's going on here. They also have four EPs as well. Similar Creatures in 2012, Spawn of Me in 2016, Individuals in 2019, and Human Forms in 2020. Oh, I'm so upset. He does lead vocals, of course. He has a guy named Junior Merrill on guitars. He has John Mark Painter on bass. Really?

Yes. John Mark Painter's a great guitarist. Okay. Well, he does bass and backing vocals. Are we sure we're talking about the same guy? It's gotta be. I swear to God that's an actual rock star. John Mark Painter, right? John Mark Painter.

I swear he's a good musician. It doesn't matter. Is it with a K or a C? Mark with a K. Yeah, I swear he's a good musician. It doesn't matter. Is it with a K or a C? Mark with a K. Okay, yeah. Yeah, dude, he's a great musician. Well, there you go.

Is he playing, is it the same guy? He's playing with him. He's 55. What did he do? Yeah, he's a legit musician. Well, he's been in the band since 2014. No, he's not. It's just that band.

Okay, there you go. You just thought you heard of the guy. I love when Jimmy gets excited because he thinks he heard of someone that he didn't ever hear of. I swear to God, I was like, that sounds so familiar. You're like, really? Him looking at you like, yeah, okay. Yeah, it's your idol, right?

You got a poster of him up in your bedroom when you were a kid? It turns out. Yeah, he's got 785 followers on Twitter. Perfect. And every credit he's got in music is with this bullshit. Perfect. That probably goes double for Dale Oliver, who plays rhythm guitar as well. I refuse to look now.

Nope, he's gone. He's gone. What about Bobby Huff? You want to look at him? He plays drums. He's gone. He's gone. What about Bobby Huff?

You want to look at him? He plays drums. 2014, at some point he drops the Willow bullshit and becomes Jeff again. I want to talk about his band more. I really want to get to that. He's got a lot of police interaction coming up I feel like we should talk about. 2015, they do OCW Night of a Champion. Oh, boy.

And it features, it's a tournament for the heavyweight championship of Omega. Jeff Hardy defeats his brother Matt Hardy to become the champion. Of course he does. There you go. Yeah, who else is going to win it? Jesus. December 31st, 2015, another daughter is born. That's great. He names her Neera nira like nero but with an a

nira quinn is her name female failure female failure you'll fail just like the rest of the neros 2017 um they who gives a shit it's a omega thing they get whatever uh 2017 he also returns to roh ring of honor Wrestling, as well here. So that was kind of an interesting comeback for him there. They defeated the Young Bucks for the ROH World Tag Team titles. Then they lost them back to him pretty quickly. And there you go. So March 2017, Jeff and Matt return to WWE later on in the month.

So that was kind of a warm-up for their WWE return. They are 40 years old. And back again. His brother's 43 years old. Oh, my God. But he's got a name. During that, they return there. They make a surprise return.

They're last-minute participants in the ladder match at WrestleMania 33, is what they do for the Raw Tag Team Championships and they win the whole thing to win the championships because that's the big surprise of the night and that's going to get a big pop out of the crowd. Chariacter heroes. Great. That's it, man.

September 2017 he undergoes surgery for a torn labrum and rotator cuff because that happens when you're 40 no that happens when you pull weeds when you're 40 never mind when you fucking do swanton bombs from the fucking top of a 20-foot ladder dude it's crazy i dare you if you're 40 or over paint a room paint paint a room and see how long you can't move after you painted something. I dare you to see if you can open your fucking hand in the morning.

Do it. Your whole neck is fucked up into your shoulder. I shouldn't have done it that high. I should have got a... See if you don't fucking cook somas in a burnt spoon in the morning. Never mind if you were diving off of fucking ladders. Kidding me? He's out of his mind.

Oh, my God. This is great. Of course he has surgery. I will absolutely be firing fucking muscle relaxers into my fucking large arteries in my neck just to get better i'll jam them up my dick hole if they if they absorb faster i don't care holy shit man yeah that's what's going on it's crazy he starts working out to get ready for a return to wwe yeah um but doesn't quite work out that way march 12 2018 he is arrested in concord north carolina um he's driving a 2016 cadillac ctsv sedan what yeah yeah it's a badass car yeah well he's a huge star yeah that's a v8 caddy those

things are nasty it's the race badass you don't want to be too fucked up when driving one, apparently. No. Because he's arrested here. His driver's license had been revoked already, so that's not a good thing. Right. For injury or something. From all sorts of different shit here. That's his brother. Basically, they say, this is from the police report, driver of vehicle one ran off the roadway to the right,

in turn striking about 105 feet of guard rail before the back end of the car spun out 90 degrees to the left coming to rest in the middle of the right northbound lane of traffic. He put a $75,000 Cadillac into a 110 feet of guard rail. 105 feet of guard rail before the back end spins spins out and land just sets sets in the middle of a fucking of the slow lane wow northbound lane of travel holy so yeah it's it's pretty fucking interesting it's not good um he is going to be charged with a dui for that because nobody sober does that no no they don't holy shit apparently um they said an instagram

video posted by jeff on saturday also showed someone filming a cell phone video playing on the driver's side of the dashboard of a vehicle moving down a multi-lane highway i don't know what the hell that was about he's filming while he's driving something like that um so at first his brother matt was is playing like a straight edge character at this point. And his brother Matt tweets something like in character. He says, ever since the seven deities have come to me, I do not put alcohol, drugs, or foreign substances into my vessel. I am more. So after that, all the wrestling fans thought that this that jeff actually didn't get arrested

that this was just a work they just thought this whole thing was bullshit to further a storyline of matt being clean cut and having to get his brother jeff but there's mug shots and police reports and uh they generally don't go along with all of that just for a wrestling angle that is the problem with this sport is that you're lied to so much how do you know when it's bullshit that's what i mean they think things that are true or fake they think things that are fake or true who knows they are always lying to you who the fuck knows that's what's wild um so uh now regarding the arrest because he's signed with wwe now. The WWE releases this statement in his true silver-haired fashion here. Quote,

Jeff Hardy is responsible for his own personal actions. We are investigating the matter and awaiting information from local law enforcement officials. That's it. A hundred and five feet of guardrail before he could get off of it. We know what happened. We know he's fucked up.

He's probably asleep and went, huh, let's go. Oh, shit. Why is there sparks flying?'s all i better stop and you spit out it's the exact same minus the name being different it's the exact same statement they released after jay uso was arrested for dui did a couple months earlier that's just there's they just put the same statement out they don't care um so they said that um they said other than he said basically jeff tried to say that i wasn't fucked up uh they think maybe it was more distracted driving he's saying because um the uh use of him using his cell phone camera while he's driving. So maybe it was distracted driving because he was filming. Yeah.

So they said he might have been driving dangerously, but in a sober condition that would likely result in a charge of reckless driving rather than driving while impaired. That's what Jeff's people are saying, which means he definitely did something wrong. If they're like, we'll take a reckless driving. That's fine. We're good with that.

105 feet of guardrail that's so far that's it's a very far um turns out though we'll talk a little more about this because we get a little more detail but he is jesus christ he uh he did take a breathalyzer at the time he didn't do the field sobriety test because it was too dangerous for him to do it, as we'll talk about here. But he does do it because he couldn't stand up. Wow. You ever see like on Live PD, they go to do it and the guy almost falls down. They go, oh, never mind. That's good enough.

If you can't stand up to start a sobriety test, that's the sobriety test. You've already failed. Step one is being able to stand there long enough to start doing it that's one and then we'll go through the steps yeah but if you fall down before you start or throw up or something that's a fail immediately i think throw up fall down in it yeah if you throw up slip and fall down and then then ask if the cop knows where you can get any taquitos, you're probably shit-faced. The other part, James, is do you know why they put guardrails up?

To keep you on the fucking road because the other side of that guardrail is super dangerous. It says water or dreams. Yeah, or the edge. Or the edge. A fucking cliff face. Who knows? A fucking family's house. It could have been anything.

Well, his blood alcohol content was, drum roll please,.25. Holy Jeffrey. What the fuck? Super fucked up. That is just fucking wasted.25. In what year? In 2000 and what, 19, 18? That is crazy.

That is really fucking drunk. That's way too late to be that drunk. That's what I mean. He's hammered. He knows better than that. He's hammered. He's fucked up. He does it.

He gets released from jail. He goes home. What do you do, man? Where do you start? He's always, now you got to call work and go, yeah, I know you're going to say it's, you know, I know it's my personal problem and I get it and I got to do all this shit and he's got nobody to turn to. Matt's busy with his own stuff and you know, he's just, Beth's disappointed in him, I'm sure, as she might be. There is one person though that will always stand by him to his

side one person who comes knocking at the door who he can't get rid of who'll always help him when times are down and that's vinnie pazienza's ma that's who that is she's there for him vinnie pazienza's ma and she says How is it you've come to arrive here? What's wrong with you? Oh, my God. Your brother tries to help you. Didn't your poor burning dog corpse in your arms, didn't that tell you you needed to make a change, Jeff?

Please, look at you. You need to eat more, Jeff. Jeff, you got your skin and bones, Jeff. Drinking is not enough. Oh, my God. Do you have airbags in your car? Did they fix them? Are you going to get them fixed? Because if they go off and then you don't get them fixed and you don't have an airbag next time, Jeff, and you know you're going to hit something, please, Jeff. Jeff, Jeff, come here. What are you doing? Jeff, why are you running into things? Why are you doing things like this? Jeff, please,

please, Jeff, eat. I made a nice, oh, look, look how nice this is for you. I made a nice little menagerie. Come on, sit down. Jeff, please, please. Oh, my God, Jeff, you're killing me. Ah! And poof, in an explosion of sauce and house coats, she's gone. And very confusing. Jeff doesn't know what's going on.

He's from North Carolina and not Italian at all, so he's very confused. Did I give my mom cancer? What was that about? What the hell's going on? What happened? This is my fault? So was that the ghost of my mom? So 2019 now.

2019. It's a Saturday morning at a downtown Myrtle Beach Hotel. Yep. He was apparently passed out in a public stairwell. Stop it. Reeking of booze before the cops had to intervene here. Oh, my God. Just passed out.

He admitted to drinking vodka before they found him passed out in the stairwell. Yeah. He's going to be charged with public intoxication from that. It was the Ocean Enclave by hilton grand vacations at 1600 north ocean boulevard it sounds like too nice of a place to be drunkenly passed out in a stairway it's a place where that gets noticed that's for sure yeah yeah yeah especially if you look like jeff yeah jesus some weird guy with crazy hair he's over there um when the police arrived they arrested him without incident he never fights the cops or anything. He's always like, oh, yeah, I'm fucked up.

Yeah, he's released on less than $200 bond. Now, public intoxication could be punished by up to 30 days in jail and a $500 fine. But apparently he paid $153 ticket and that closed the case. Yeah, I'm sure those depend on your behavior while fucking drunk in public. No shit. WWE provided this statement, quote, Jeff Hardy is responsible for his own personal actions. How about you guys take some fucking responsibility for once? How about you say, we've really kicked this guy's ass and he's probably medicating.

He's probably medicating, probably got some brain damage. He has to take take drug tests so he's drinking rather than doing drugs this is a fucking problem we keep sending him out there even though i'm sure his body is way too fucked up to be doing this anymore um the nfl has to take responsibility every time one of their people knocks a fucking woman out in an elevator it's a big deal to them but when it happens in the wwe they go they're responsible for their own personal actions independent contractor goodbye he's in his 40s yeah then they take all 600 items of their merch off their site immediately that's how it works fuck out of here oh they're throwback shit they're still selling yeah yeah exactly um now the problem with this also is of Jeff is responsible for his own actions.

Apparently, uh, just mere days before this happened, um, here. Oh no, no, I'm sorry. That was in, sorry. That was that day. Now there's a different day. Now, October 2nd, 2019. Oh my God. So okay.

Later on in the year, he talks to Vince McMahon. I don't know if he talked directly to Vince McMahon, but he talked to higher ups in the year he talks to vince mcmahon i don't know if he talked directly to vince mcmahon but he talked to higher ups in the wwe i don't know where vince was or whatever but he said quote i called wwe and said i need help i need treatment there's something wrong with me with this alcohol thing yeah so he called what a weird thing to say how do you minimize this alcohol thing but he said i need help i need treatment there's something wrong with me okay that's a start yes he goes to them and they go but we will figure it out okay they don't immediately say okay we got you an appointment go there right this minute none of that shit okay then okay? Then the next day, October 3rd, he's arrested again.

Yeah, of course he is. For driving while impaired again. Oh, my God. Yeah, he just said, help me. I can't fucking control my alcohol. And they went, we'll figure it out. And then he gets arrested the next day. So I'm kind of sad for him here

because he tried to get help the day before. A little bit. A little bit. That's all he could do. That's all he knew how to do. He works for them. He can't just go into rehab because then he'll get fired help the day before. A little bit. A little bit. That's all he could do. That's all he knew how to do. He works for them. He can't just go into rehab because then he'll get fired because of his schedule. They have to send him into rehab so he doesn't get fired.

So it makes sense. He went about proper channels. But if he goes and gets super hammered, I need him to walk and pass out in a stairwell. Get arrested for that shit. Not behind the fucking wheel, Jeff. Have you heard a sonny sitch sir oh my god well and you could luckily he hasn't hit anybody right but you could like make a case for you could make a case for you know the he's responsible for his own

personal actions and the ones before but when he comes to you the day before yeah and then he gets fucked up then it's like okay well where were you guys then? Why didn't you keep getting, you know, you know what kind of guy he is. Directly on your doorstep. Yeah. He apparently is booked for driving while impaired and, of course, a revoked driver's license as well. He had a, another thing is he got pulled over, okay, is in Moore County, North Carolina. He's fucked up. He's drunk.

He's got no license and he's got a fucked up bloody nose as well so the cops are looking at the car that's not damaged so it's not from a car accident because they're like what the fuck happened to you what's up with your nose he said why are you all bloody he said you got in a fight with my wife earlier oh god don't say that. Okay. They ignore that. What? Yeah, that's nice fucking game, right? They ignore that, and the reason they pulled him over, they got a tip about a reckless driver that night,

and they ended up finding him. When they found him, he was parked in front of a liquor store. They found the car by the license plate parked in front of the liquor store, so they sat behind it. They just sat in the parking lot and waited waited he came out with a case of beer out of the liquor store put it in the car drove away and they pulled him over for weaving all over the fucking road yeah so um yeah he did all that uh the officer said he noticed what appeared to be dried blood on his nose asked what happened and in the report it says, the driver advised that him and his wife got into a fight. Then they completely skip that and just go to the next question.

Wow. They don't veer off of, well, where's your wife? Is she okay? Is she bloody too? Yes. There's the question. Did she hit you with a baseball bat?

Does someone need to go to jail tonight is essentially the whole thing here. So instead, they just proceed to question him about booze. They're like, we'll get to that later. He admits to taking two shots of vodka earlier in the night and ultimately admits that, yeah, he's probably a little fucked up and shouldn't be driving.

He completely fails the field sobriety test. That doesn't work. And he's uncooperative when he's asked for a breathalyzer or a blood sample. They ultimately got a search warrant from a judge to get a blood sample. And there's that. So he is booked on driving while impaired and driving on a revoked license. This time when he's booked into jail, he's listed at six foot one, 175 pounds. Whoa.

He has lost 40 fucking pounds. How did he that i don't know no it's not good yeah um don't eat food just drink and that's probably right you'll shit liquid for a while and you'll probably yeah yeah that's it vodka too low calorie yeah no sugar there you go um now the fight with his wife they the cops told actively the media that they are not investigating for domestic violence. But if he files a complaint, then they'll look into it. Jesus Christ. The fact that his face is bloody isn't enough to go. Let's take a peek and see what's going on here. So the next day he he releases a statement. He said, but then on the night of October

3rd I got into some trouble on the morning of October 4th I arranged for me to go into inpatient rehab for the first time in my life the first time he has needed it they've been telling him since 2003 he needs to go and it's been 15 years of you need to go to rehab and he never would

go till now it was one of the best things I could have ever done for myself and i've done something every day to better myself and it's just going to be so good to be back in front of all those people in the mindset that i'm in right now and feel and to feel that energy because there's something left for me to do in wwe i'm not sure what it is but i want to make it happen and then about, um, he loves one day at a time and all this recovery shit he's into now. He kind of needs that, that shit though. He says,

I've learned so much in recovery, just little things like one day at a time, just focus on today, not drinking or drugging and just calling my sponsor every day and talking to another alcoholic man. That's a weird, that's a weird sentence. I just need to talk to an alcoholic man do you know of

one yes i do um there's something powerful about it when you admit what you are and you can like own that and there's a huge peace in my heart and my mind knowing that if i never drink again i'm never going to get into any other trouble you know what that says to me jimmy i'm good now he's good now that's right i mean because i mean at this point yeah he's saying i got a problem and i'm struggling and i'm trying to get better and you know my house burned down my dog died you know you gotta kind of feel a little he hasn't hurt anybody yet the world certainly kicked him in the balls yes his mom he hasn't hurt anybody else which is good for him i mean you gotta kind of feel bad for a guy like that you know what i'm saying and i do i feel bad for him but not nearly

as bad as i feel for jeff hardy executive director real estate institute and the levy school of business at sarah clinton santa clara university um let's see here. Jeff Hardy, IT network engineer at Modenir Company in Elkhart, Indiana. Jeff Hardy, president and CEO at Underground Cellar in Oakland, California. That's a good one here. Oh, yeah, there you go. Jeff Hardy, retail and media environments lead NYC. All right? And that's in Toronto.

And then Jeff Hardy, here's his statement quote i build technology designed to combat overdose and addiction vancouver british columbia i know a guy who needs you bad bad his name you'll find him we'll put it that way google yourself sir oh my god that's fucking funny they wwe leans into this and does a storyline about the sobriety angle actually the fucking show in the show like they've done this before wcw did it with scott hall while he was going in and out of rehab they did it with fucking road warrior fuck hawk before he two years before he. Same thing of him having a problem and all that kind of shit. Um,

this worked, I guess it was Seamus was involved in it. Hardy gave a urine sample and then threw his pee on Seamus. That's a very, it's a high brow angle. Huh? Isn't that nice? And then,

and then you're going to throw you, just throw your pee on him. Yeah. Just throw it on there. And then you say, give me more, give me more. Say, yeah, yeah. me in it that's right and then you get on top of him and yeah that's right and you yeah you pull your pants down that's what i'm talking about oh wait a second

hold this is gonna be on tv wait i can't do that uh that's tell you what we'll do that later at my house but on tv we'll do something different okay while it while he's talking. Get it in his mouth. Put it in his mouth. Get it all over his overalls. I don't wear overalls. Yes, you do now. Let me tell you something. You're going to want them for this.

I have multiple fantasies. They're all coming true right now, and they all involve overalls, so put them on. Let's do it. Get that shirt off. Come on. Threw piss on him. Threw piss on him.

That's just a funny angle I had to talk about. I talked about very few wrestling angles. For a split second, I hated it. Oh, man, that's so fucking funny. It's so stupid, too, by the way, trying to describe a wrestling angle that no one's seen to someone. Because no matter what you do you sound like a four-year-old telling someone about your day you're just like and then we did that and then they went there and then the thing was green and he jumped off

from a high place and then it's you sound so stupid unless someone sees it and then he goes on his chest and then he won and then he threw his pee on him i don't think that happened and it did sure in the fuck uh 2020 2021 he says quote music is my big thing yeah it's probably my number one hobby now and that's what's drafting me away from wrestling but my passion is still there. I still love it. I still get just as nervous as always before I go out for a match. I can't say that I love it more than I love life, like Matt has said, because he is 100% dedicated to pro wrestling.

I give my heart and soul, but I give it to other things. But I give other things my heart and soul as well. And I still try to follow my heart and go wherever it takes me. I can't give up the things I really enjoy. I don't plan to stop wrestling at all. If anything, I'll just take a break within the next few years just to see what happens with the music. But I don't plan to quit wrestling at all.

A lot of bands break out with a bunch of guys in their mid-40s. That's usually where they get hot quick. As long as your drummer gives you a ride to the their mid-40s. That's usually a hot quick. As long as your drummer gives you a ride to the gigs, whatever, man. I could give a fuck. Yeah, just don't drive. December 5th, 2021. It's a WWE SmackDown house show in Edinburgh, Texas. It's a six-man match with Jeff, Drew McIntyre, and King Woods against the Bloodline.

And he's in the ring, I guess, getting – he's what they call the face in peril, which means that in a tag match, you get the good guys, bad guys. The good guys – one of the good guys will get the shit beaten out of him a whole bunch. Yeah. Where the bad guys are cheating. They're making the other guy run in the ring so the ref tries to stop him, and then they double team him over there. This guy gets beat up the whole time, and the whole point of a tag match is

he's the face in peril, and then at some point he makes a tiny little comeback and goes over and falls and just makes that tag. Fresh legs! And this guy's been steaming over there trying to get in the ring and having the ref stop him while they cheat for fucking 10 minutes. So he then goes off and kicks everybody. That's the hot tag, that's called, where he beats the shit out of everybody. And then 30 seconds later, by the way, he goes in and starts the hot tag, starts beating everybody.

By 30 seconds in, the guy who's been getting his ass kicked for 15 fucking minutes, who couldn't move, is now participating, helping him beat the shit out of the other team again, i always found ridiculous he should stay lying there very able let hot tag guy do that that's just my thing with her i hate that i was like he was just dying just he should be in a heap over there not even being able to watch it while you beat everybody up he had internal bleeding two seconds ago yeah he was dead so you both hit both hit him with your finisher. This is fucking crazy. So apparently he's the face in peril. He's the one getting beat up the whole time. Roman Reigns and the Usos are the guys beating him up. He apparently, I guess, became, quote, more sluggish as it went on and on.

He ends up making the hot tag and rolls out of the ring and just runs out through the crowd just leaves oh god which is very very strange um he didn't return to celebrate when the team won nothing so it's just very weird and um it's uh one of the wrestling you know insider bullshit magazine said the word making the rounds at sunday's house show in corpus christi te Texas, was that Hardy has been sent home from the road and he was replaced in these matches with Ray Mysterio. Now, what happened here? Here is Matt. Matt is with his wife and he says this, quote, whenever my brother ended up being released, he had taken a drug test.

Usually these drug tests come back in 10 to 14 days. Those 10 to 14 days had been up for him and he never got a drug test. Usually these drug tests come back in 10 to 14 days. Those 10 to 14 days had been up for him and he never got a result and he was curious as to where his result was because he knew he had passed his drug test because he knew he hadn't been doing any drugs and he's been clean. He's been clean the whole while that he's been there.

And I know there was this issue where they said Jeff Hardy had this erratic behavior and jumped over the guardrail or whatever that's in this match. Hello, he's Jeff Hardy. He's a weird dude. That's kind of what he does. Yeah, but no. So they asked the wife or the wife asked him if the erratic behavior has been addressed by anyone.

And he says Matt says, well, the erratic behavior is why they gave him a drug test and they sent him home I don't think he's addressed it with WWE since he addressed it with me and he was saying he just knew at that point he was just working for WWE is a very stressful job he says and I'm not going to say

I'm not here to bury WWE because I love WWE WWE and Vince McMahon and everybody who's there I'd really like a job there again someday is what he says. I'd love to be a road agent if you got that available because I could really do that. He said, I wouldn't be who I am and wouldn't have this life that I have right now. So I have great appreciation and I'm very grateful for everything I've done for them. Grateful for every opportunity they've given me and that's all good. But it's also a very stressful environment as well.

Anyone who's worked there knows that. So I feel like Jeff was kind of stressed out in many ways about several different things. He just told me, confessed to me, said that when he went over the guardrail, he said he just knew he was done. He was just done there. He was literally done with the match, so he felt done. Well, you can't leave, though. That's not part of the match. You can't just leave.

And don't use guardrail as a reference here either. No, no. Yeah, stop talking about guardrails. That's bad. A fan asked, and this is like a question and answer thing he's doing. A fan asked if it was a calculated move to get released. And he says, I don't think he did a calculated move to get released and he says i don't think he did it intentionally trying to get fired he does shit like that all the time

there's just times where we'd be in the ring wrestling or working and he just goes into business for himself because there's just something that he feels that's how he is he's not he's a very emotionally supercharged person and then like follows his emotions and instincts if something feels a certain way, regardless of if it's not the best case scenario for the outline of the match or scenario you're working in, he just does things. And I think that's one of the reasons he's as beloved as he is.

He's a very emotional, very passionate and very driven guy. If he has a feeling, he just goes with it. So that's what happened to happen on this particular occasion. He went with it. And then they said, well, is he sober? And he said he took the drug test.

He ended up being released just a few days later, and they never got the results of the drug test. He obviously passed all his drug tests because he was drug tested quite often when he worked there. That kind of gave them, oh, I guess they told him it leaked out on the Internet. He thought he was going to be a private conversation they said either go to rehab or be released they kind of gave him an ultimatum and he said okay you can release me then because I don't need to go to rehab so he said three weeks later he hadn't gotten his drug test back and especially because of that little bit of information it was either go to rehab or released was was leaked. It was now public information online. He definitely wanted to see the results of the drug test. Three weeks out,

he kind of asked to see it and didn't have it. He was kind of fighting, scratching and clawing to get the drug test, and he was kind of getting the runaround. Then he got a call, and this has been recorded online, from John Laurinaitis that they had offered to induct him into the Hall of Fame. This is true. And that's not made up. That's a real thing that happened. And he just asked for his drug test at the very end of the conversation and said, no, I want my drug test. I want the clean result just to clear my name. And I think it should, especially given his history.

Now, Jeff appears on Matt's podcast to talk about it. And he says, certain things happen for a reason. This is Jeff. Subconsciously, that was one of the smartest, maybe, certain things happen for a reason. This is Jeff. Subconsciously, that was one of the smartest, maybe the smartest things I've ever done. Guided by something higher than me.

Right after the hot tag. I was guided. I was guided. I was the face in peril, but then, you know, I was guided. I made the hot tag, and I was like,

I gotta see that drug test. I gotta do it. Maybe if I run through the crowd, I can get back there and surprise someone and get it from them. He said in WWE, it was like glimmers of hope. Like maybe I still do have something. The last glimmer of hope was the Survivor Series, which was really good. It came down to me and Seth Rollins. The crowd was so behind me.

I felt like one of the most popular baby faces in WWE because the crowd was so with me. Then there's other times I just felt like a ghost roaming the halls and I'm like, why am I even here? I don't feel important at all. But you know, I kept doing my deal. I would just show up and do whatever they wanted me to do. I've never been a potlicker potlicker, so I don't go out of my way to get a certain spot or achieve a certain status.

But yeah, that night in Edinburgh, Texas, for some reason, I finished my heat. I took the heat and i just said i'm ready to go i went over the rail and disappeared into the crowd naturally i think they took uh they think i took something like drugs or whatever but i didn't i mean if it was if i was that bad i should never have gone out there the way i see it but yeah i thought man that's just another unpredictable thing i can do and i'll get away with it. But it was more serious than that. What the fuck? So either way, he said, I wasn't trying to get released at all.

That's not what he was trying to do. He did say, though, AEW was ultimately the plan, depending on how things went through the two years of his contract. He wanted to do that. He said, I'm in good shape, but I'm still pretty beat up. I don't know how much longer I've got and I want to make the most of the time i do have so there you go december 9th 2021 he's released by the wwe um after that house show deal and um yeah they said that they ordered him to rehab he said no and then um what the fuck man he rejects the hall of fame offer as well wow yep he rejects that he said it felt completely wrong it didn't feel like the time at all i i almost felt offended

i was very emotional and almost felt offended like what wait after my 90 days is up and the hall of fame is in april uh and i and i do go to aW, how's that going to work? What are you all trying to hit me with if I do sign with AEW when I'm free and me going into the Hall of Fame? How would that work? So yeah, they were just trying to assign him to that to keep him from signing with AEW. They didn't want to use him, but they wanted to keep him. Got it. They wanted to hold him.

Yeah. He said, that's why I was like, it's a hard no, especially because it feels like something Matt and I should go in together as the Hardy Boys when the time is right. It's just weird. I still don't know how I feel about it overall. It's just felt so wrong. Maybe I should have said, what if I'm in AEW at the time of the Hall of Fame? So anyway, he says 2022 he is he's wrestling in AEW is where he signs up. 2022, he is. He's wrestling in AEW is where he signs. Yep.

He starts signs on there. But June 13th, 2022. So far, he had a match in AEW the 29th of May. The Hardys, Matt and Jeff, against the Young Bucks here. And that was their big pay-per-view match there. And then June 13th, 2022, two weeks later, he is in a white car seen swerving and running off the roadway around 1230 in the a.m. Here, officer made a traffic stop and engaged Hardy. He seemed to be, quote, in a white dodge charger he also did

not immediately pull over or do so in a safe manner when he finally did if you can't even pull over right you're real fucked up the officer approached the vehicle from the rear passenger side hardy reaches into a black backpack at that point. Don't do that. He was issued loud. This is in Volusia County, Florida, by the way. If you watch live PD, they have a new one. Was it Patrol?

First of all, whatever the fuck it is. No, some PD. Yeah, we always call it Paw Patrol because it sounds like Paw Patrol. So now I don't know what it's actually on patrol on patrol. because it sounds like Paw Patrol. So now I don't know what it's actually on patrol, on patrol. So they're in Volusia County, and it is a hillbilly goddamn shit-kicking mess, and they're always pulling guns on people because they're always just got a pocket full of meth.

It's a disaster. This is reaching into shit all the time when they're stopped by cops. Don't do that. Don't do that. So he starts reaching in. They said he appeared to be in a stupor and confused when they when the officer slapped the window and attempts to get his attention um so uh yeah he reached into the bag they said hey get your fucking hands out of the bag he's like oh kind of half out of it he exits the vehicle without any issues but appears to be unsteady on his feet displayed orbital sway reeked of alcohol uh reeked of the odor of an alcoholic beverage, and was confused.

He admitted to drinking fireball shots before he drove. What? He does two breathalyzer readings. Now, keep in mind,.08 is the legal limit. He beats his previous record, though. He was.25 before. He blows a.294 and a.291. Oh, God.

Hammered. Oh, Jesus. They took him, I guess, off of the highway into a parking lot where they were going to have him perform sobriety exercises. And they said it could not be done successfully without risk of falling. This was the one where he couldn't do it without falling. This is all captured on police video. It's online. You can watch all of this shit.

Yeah, he's all fucked up. You can see the cops stop him right from the start, everything. So he didn't comply at first. By the way, both cops had to pull their guns out to get him out of the car. He's out of the car at gunpoint. He eventually opens his door without issue. They were able to get him out of the car. He's wearing a Jacksonville Jaguars t-shirt this whole time yeah he's stumbling around mumbling and like whispering answers wearing a jaguars t-shirt it's bad

promo for the team my god holy shit dude he uh officers take him away from the highway like i said he can't do anything so he's under the under arrest for a dui um way higher than that needs to be here um also he's driving on a suspended license violating a restriction which required him to have a dui interlock device in his vehicle he's in so much trouble now. Yeah. Twelve hours before he got pulled over, by the way. There's a video from 12 hours before where he's hanging out with people and he takes a big swig from a cup and says, Whiskey is, quote, my best friend and my worst enemy.

Nothing's ever been more true. Twelve hours before all this type of shit man the video he was at it was in orlando for a wrestling convention and um signing autographs for people in a conference room and that's when he said whiskey's my best friend my worst enemy and then he's smiling and people are laughing and all that kind of shit have more fireball jeff is great. I don't need to drive. Sure, I can drive fine. There's no guardrails. So the next day he's suspended by AEW. Tony Khan says that they do not condone Jeff's alleged behavior.

He also says, we've made it clear to Jeff that we'll assist in getting him treatment for substance abuse issues, which he has indicated that he's open to receiving. In the interim, he is suspended without pay, and he can only return to AEW upon successfully completing treatment and maintaining his sobriety. That's better than he's responsible for his own actions. That's better than that. So he reached out, they gave him help,

then they reached out to give him more help, and he declined, went over here, and pulled this shit. That's what happens. When one company's had enough with him, he just goes and signs with the other one who enough time has gone by where they're like i'm sure he's fine now and they just that's what he keeps doing because he's a star and they keep doing it he says recovery isn't a linear process and i'll continue doing whatever i can to help my brother oh this is matt saying being healthy and well is the most important thing for jeff his children and our family at this time he's gonna plead not guilty to this saying that all charges he didn't

do this is all bullshit even though there's a video of him stumbling around in a jaguar's t-shirt being obviously shit-faced um double breathalyzers it's wild he is currently doing shit with parox why because he hasn't wrestled since may of 2022 and he's tours with them and all that sort of thing. Can't get enough of Jeff Hardy? Well, become a Florida police officer. Buy his albums. Go see his sculpture. Or just wait a little while because he'll be back in a major wrestling thing as soon as it all blows over and it's out of the news.

So don't worry about it. He'll be back, and he'll fuck it up again. uh we wish he would stop i hope that he stops oh my god seems like a decent guy james what if he kills somebody god damn it man he's gonna or he's gonna kill himself that's he's gonna kill himself yeah or he's gonna kill himself they never kill themselves they do in hotel rooms yeah well that way yeah that's he's gonna yeah in the car it's never no no no it's always somebody else no but it's gonna be an eddie guerrero kurt hennig one of these situations where they find him dead in a fucking some shit hotel room in the middle of uh you know the middle of virginia somewhere we was in for a card i feel i feel you know it's

gonna happen jupiter florida before the cop can stop him that's where i feel it it's sucks man there too so either way that that is jeff hardy the long-awaited jeff hardy he is uh we we root for jeff because he's a mess at the moment so there we go we went from last week an old-timey story in the 1800s to this week something that goes right up until today way too recent way too recent that said if you like the show tell the world about it get on apple podcast or whatever app you're listening on if you can rate it rated five stars tell the world you like it also head over to shut up and give me murder.com where you can find all your merch and tickets to live shows right now for sale the october the 27th virtual live show for small town murder the halloween spectacular it'll be creepy

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and you're gonna get a shout out when are you gonna get that shout out right now right fucking now jimmy hit me with the names of the people who would never ever drive a hundred and feet five feet on a guardrail and then say they weren't fucked up have the balls to say that jimmy hit me with that list this week's executive producers are craig ventura amanda wills bathroom floor cherry popper oh what oh that is disgusting what the also happy birthday This week's executive producers are Craig Ventura, Amanda Wills, Bathroom Floor Cherry, Popper. Ew, what? Oh, that is disgusting. Also, happy birthday, Madison Lauroar.

Right after that gross shit, happy birthday, Madison. Happy birthday. Yay. Other producers this week are Peter Schmuck, Myron Spermstein. Spermstain, I imagine. Spermstain? Jerry, what is happening, guys? Peyton Meadows.

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