Crime in Sports - #327 - Popeye, Superman, Or The Devil - The Unmanageableness of "Fast" Eddie Rothman

Episode Date: November 1, 2022

This week, we catch a huge wave... of crime, with a legend of the North Shore surf scene. He has had a lot to do with tournaments, and competitions, all around the islands, but he is best known for starting what could have definitely been called a gang, consisting of local surfers, using threats & physical force to keep the waves all to the locals. The group was also accused of being a crime ring, complete with drug trafficking, and the violence to back up those activities. A gruff, tough guy, with a dark past, and one of the most harrowing childhoods ever!! Be at home on the waves, fight to keep tourists off of those waves, and beat several local, state, and federal charges, for drugs to violence with "Fast" Eddie Rothman!!Check us out, every Tuesday! We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!!  Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman  Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail]  Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com  Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And that was kind of, I was considering, and I'll leave it out to if anybody has any interest, you can hit us up about this. But I was considering redoing Eddie Johnson as one of the last episodes because Eddie Johnson was arrested about 110 times. And we did that. We did that in an hour. And I don't feel like we gave it full justice. Because I remember having to pick and choose which arrests to talk about, and they're all insane.

The guy's crazy. He test drove a Porsche and just kept it. Like, shit like that. He's insane. So, vast Eddie Johnson, the basketball player. Over 100 arrests. We might have to revisit him and just kind of do that over again. Ruined another Eddie Johnson's career. player over 100 arrests we might have to revisit him and just kind of do that over again ruined

another eddie johnson's career that was the origins of the mistaken identities actually was because there was another eddie johnson we're like good god i feel sorry for this guy so then we found more eddie johnson's we're like this is terrible and then next thing you know it's a segment so that's how that worked but this is fast eddie rothman who sounds like a race car driver definitely right because from reno 911 fast eddie was a fast eddie mcclintock is the i don't remember the last name i've seen i've been watching it over and over and over i know the guy who they chased and could never get and it's basically lightning mcqueen is the way they're doing it so anyway fast eddie rothman um he is born in 1949 oh shit yeah he's still alive now is that right we'll talk about yeah i'll get a spoiler alert

he doesn't drown in a surfing accident or anything like that no sharks no no yeah it didn't get like caught in a reef and eaten by a shark or anything like that which is how you expect most surfers to die. I'm shocked there are not more Bethany Hamiltons. You know what I mean? If you're always in the water, I guess, though, if you're a surfer and you're always in the water, you probably also know signs

of when the fuck to get out of the water. Yeah, it's right when you piss or you're bleeding or anything. You get the fuck out. Things of that nature, whereas I think people who just go in the water and are tourists might not understand when there's a shark right by them. Whereas a surfer, I feel like, might have more of a sense of the water and where things are. If you're not in the ocean normally, you're just like, oh, God, good, I'm not drowning.

You don't know if there's sharks. You're happy to not drown. There's a lot of drone footage of people on the beach oh god sharks swimming right right just beyond them but i'm sure a lot of that's also photoshopped and bullshit but i'm sure there's at least one or two that are real i'm sure it stems from some reality probably hopefully i don't know mostly the fucking fear of it yeah like it could be there that's the thing whether it's there or not there are sharks in the water and you are in there with them so at any point that could be reality that's that's his tank and you got in what are you doing that'd be like showing like a guy getting like uh getting raped in prison or something and he'd be like i

don't know if that's real well it could happen though it really could that's the thing right there whether it's happening in this picture or not it could happen it's right there it's like when it's cloudy out. It could rain any minute now. It could happen. It could just start. If you Photoshop rain in, I go, well, I mean, the clouds are there. It's possible.

Makes sense. So Fast Eddie. Let's talk about Fast Eddie here. Let's talk about, because his childhood, he's from the mainland and he ends up a Hawaiian surf legend. He's from America. He's from the mainland and he ends up a hawaiian surf legend so he's from america he's from the mainland yeah so if you're from the mainland and end up a hawaiian surf legend you have to have a very strange there's no way to come upon that in a normal way you know what i mean there just isn't anybody anybody that's in on the mainland and has visited hawaii every one of them thinks you know we should just stay here and then you go well i've got a job and a 401k and the kids got school.

It's really expensive here. Milk is $7 a gallon here. I don't know. I don't know how much spam I can stomach. We can't live our normal lifestyle here. We're not ready for that much beach. We're just not ready for it. Fuck the island.

Let's go home. Let's go home. Yeah, that's how it works, though. Justifying why Nebraska is better. You're like, you know what omaha really has its strong points i didn't think about it but let's go to our regular perkins instead but hawaii if you think in your head if someone says tropical paradise you picture hawaii in your head that's i mean it's an island with waves and the mountains and the volcanoes and the breeze with the palm trees. It's ridiculous.

It's a silly fantasy land of a place. It's not real. You can't expect people to – anyone who moves there isn't moving there to, like, get something done. They're moving there to take a step back. You know what I mean? They're moving there to stop getting stuff done. They're moving there to take a step back. You know what I mean? They're moving there to stop getting stuff done. Exactly. So the whole pace of a society like that slows down a little bit.

Grinds to a halt almost. And any island is like that too. I know like the Caribbean, I've heard a lot of people I know from the Caribbean say they talk about island time. There's regular time and there's island time. And island time is eh. A minute is like two and a half it doesn't matter it's like well what are you what are you in a rush for you know what i mean we're all we're all here it's still going to be beautiful in 20 minutes relax and it's a nice way it's not bad you know that's i mean it can be frustrating if you're like building something or expecting you know if you're putting together the fire

festival i guess you could get frustrated like that but otherwise you go hey you know if you're putting together the fire festival i guess you could get frustrated like that but otherwise you go hey you know what that's the pace of shit and you go with it you know it's it is how it is when in rome you know relax everybody so eddie though he's from ohio is that right it's from ohio his jesus christ this is starts out with some tragedy right off the bat here the last few we've had some strange the the the orphan train guy and we've had a lot of weird the animal barboza last week this kid here he is uh his when he's five years old his parents go out one night to uh get a christmas tree oh god it's december you know late december i'm picturing just you know jingle bells going and snow coming down like christmas story and this is 1954 this is christmas story his dad's got a fedora and an overcoat on and his mom's in the

front seat and you know nobody's wearing gloves no one's wearing a seat belt and uh they probably should have been because his parents were killed in a horrible car accident on the way home from getting a christmas tree they even said in the newspaper that they specifically this is fucking this is what i mean people are always looking for sensationalistic details because in the newspaper it wasn't bad enough that they them, the mother and father. And I think two other people were killed in this accident. There was another car with like four people in the car. I think one other person from that car was killed. So three people are terribly, tragically killed over a holiday season and they made sure to mention that the christmas tree was

incinerated in the in the uh fire in the in the aftermath of the fire what a waste of 35 bucks yeah all that and the tree's gone holy shit that was like you know the last little poignant thing even the christmas tree was burned to cinders no no child will be retrieving presents from underneath this tree this year it was too much there's an old man in the corner say well at least it's out of its misery it's at least they're all out of their misery now so he stays with an uncle for a while it's's his mother's brother. Jesus God. So, yeah, his grandparents had already died, so they couldn't help out. He's an only child? No, no, no.

He goes with an uncle. He has a brother who's 16 at the time, and his brother just goes off on his own. So he just takes off. So, like, it's just him now. Here he is. Is he wild Ohioan? To be wild in central Ohio here. It's like outside of, I want to say southwest of Cleveland was the, I can't remember the name of the town.

But either way, they end up, his uncle, they're together for about six months. And then his uncle is sent to jail for, okay, buckle up everybody here. This is 1955 this happened and so this uh this dog would have been long dead by now anyway uh his uncle is sent to jail for killing a neighbor's dog the neighbor's dog well the dog attacked him in his defense but then it goes against him because the dog attacked him because fast eddie's uncle the dog owner, a woman, in the face, blinding her in her left eye. Permanently? Yeah, blinded her, fucked up her orbital socket, destroyed some shit in her eye and scratched it all up.

So she was blinded because her tree was growing into his yard. Just trim it, man. So he punched her. Punched a woman and murked a dog. And then the dog attacked him for punching her, so he murdered the dog. And so for all of these offenses, and I'm sure this isn't a first offense for his uncle,

let's be honest. If your first reaction to a tree growing into your yard is, I'm going to punch a woman in the face and then murder her dog, you probably have some priors. going into your yard is I'm going to punch a woman in the face and then murder her dog. You probably have some priors. I'm just going to watch with her one good eye as I murder her dog. I would say that you probably have a prior to just to certainly have a short fuse. Jesus, there's something amiss there either way. Yeah.

So Jesus Christ. So while the uncle is in jail, by by the way because the uncle had a girlfriend so he just stayed the kid back then there were any real keep real good track of children so he was just staying with the uncle and no one said oh the uncle's gone so like we got to take this child and put him somewhere the uncle's girlfriend lived in the house so they just stayed there the him and the he's got a sitter him and yeah that's it so it's fine it's a built-in sitter he'll be fine so he's just with her they're out one day and friends of the woman next door burned their house down for killing the dog and punching her so he's not even there you guys he's not even there burned his house.

So he has nowhere to come back to because he was supposed to be getting out of jail soon. And they were mad that he was getting out early. And so they burned his house down. So now, well, now you ain't got nowhere to live. How are you like that? Be better off in jail now,

buddy. Wouldn't you? So, yeah, this is a fucking pretty harrowing for a, he's five at this point. Like what? What a place.

He's been through a lot here. So then Jesus Christ, this my God. Okay. I'm still reeling from the dog being killed and a woman getting their eye fucking battered and his parents with his own hands. Or did he have a weapon that he killed the dog? Did he like beat this dog to death? No, he beat the dog to death.

He didn't have anything to... Oh, my God. I don't know if he grabbed, like, a rock or something, but he didn't shoot it. I know that much. Or stab it, so... That's worse, right? I would say it's way more brutal. Yeah.

It's way more brutal. Anytime we talk on Small Town Murder, we'll talk about somebody shooting somebody, unless it's, like, extra or whatever. That's pretty standard. But when someone goes in with their bare hands and starts like ripping somebody apart we go okay that person it takes a little more mentally to do that you know and tolerate to tolerate the yipe from a dog that's injured is crazy it's pretty wild well what about the yipe from a woman with a fucking i'm sure there's only one of those and then it was just i'm sure unbelievable sobbing

and screaming after that the yipe as you consistently deliver a payload of punishment to this dog that's crazy i also don't know how big of a dog this was that's the other thing i don't know if this is a rottweiler where it was like a fight to the you know where there was a brutal battle or if this was a chihuahua picked it up, twisted its fucking head around and threw it to the ground. And that was the end of it. I'm not sure what this, that wasn't in the paper. There was no, none of that. They kind of went over this in a story of his later life when this happened.

They just glazed over that he beat a dog to death. over that he beat a dog to death they glazed over where poor because they kind of did a story about the the plight of poor little eddie here because he's had probably the worst luck of any small child going in the central ohio yeah for a while at least in this area that the newspaper people could pick up so while they're doing a story about what i'm about to tell you that's when they mention the uncle and the dog and the christmas tree and the rest of it okay so he's in the custody of his aunt then. I don't know why his aunt wasn't the first choice because she seems nice compared to sending him off with his uncle.

I think it was a distance thing. Maybe the uncle was closer probably. He's saying she's never pounded an animal to death with her fists. I don't think she has the capability of that maybe. One night, this is how I think maybe she was nice. One night, she was heating up some milk for Eddie before bed, which people would do back then to have some warm milk, which I don't think you're supposed to do that now. Evidently, that has properties of Z-Quil. I didn't know.

Well, also, I think it doesn't – won't it – unless it's to a certain temperature, it's going to definitely have some stuff feeding in it. Too hot will make you have diarrhea, right? I feel like hot milk is always going to make you have diarrhea, wouldn't it? Anytime the temperature of milk is elevated, it seems dangerous. It can't be great, right? There's so much bacteria in there. You're incubating bacteria. I mean, you melt cheese and stuff like that but

milk feels like it really should stay in its cold state you know but people steam it and put it in make fucking coffee drinks and all that so i don't know maybe not maybe that's why as long as it's a flash heating maybe it's just to a certain you really gotta heat it up high maybe that's what it is fast fucking go now like a blast just blast fast blast kills the bacteria and it doesn't culture and then if you do it slow that gives the opportunity to expand and then all of a sudden you got fucking botulism botulism and you're shitting yourself out of every orifice shit coming out of your nose you can't help it it's everywhere you never know what's gonna happen so i don't know whether this is good or bad but it's sweet at the time she's heating up milk for eddie before bed and eddie

must feel better about this anyway at least there's this the problem jesus christ this guy he's never gonna have a lit candle or anything in his house ever because his aunt while heating it up on the stove, caught her nightgown on fire. Oh, no. Her nightgown. Now, the house doesn't burn down. That's good. But the nightgown, and back then, nightgowns aren't really made of fire retardant things or anything like that.

They go up in flames and immediately melt to your body. They're made of gasoline and cotton. They're made of gasoline and petroleum jelly. So they're made of gasoline and petroleum jelly so they just they just they they're made to just fucking they're a very thin plastic that once they get on fire they stick to you they merge with your skin is how it works it just integrates itself with your skin to your chest like when i was a uh when i was a kid we had in the woods, for some reason, there was somebody threw away an old couch, so we took the cushions from it and we hung this cushion up from a tree and we lit it on fire for some reason.

I don't know. We were like 12. And if you light a couch cushion on fire, drippings come down. Yeah. And you can hear them come down. Isn't it crazy? Oh, yeah. I still have a scar on my hand.

It's right here. Two scars from blank, blank, them hitting my hand. Did you try to drink it? No, no, yeah. I still have a scar on my hand. It's right here. Two scars from blank, blank them hitting my hand. And you try to drink it. No, no, no. It's just I got a little too close to it and it dripped. Two little drops got on my one hand. Holy shit. When you rip it off, all the skin comes with it. Yeah, it's pretty gross. So not to make fun of this poor woman being on fire, but she catches on fire causing third degree burns over 60 percent of her body. So much. That's insane. So it stuck to her skin, melted.

It was terrible for her. So Eddie is then now he's at a family to go to at this point. So Eddie is sent to a local family. It was like a friend of the family at that point. They decided it was too much to take in this kid, this extra kid. And so he ends up in an orphanage after that. So we're a lot of orphanage stories lately.

You know what I mean? So he is, remember last week we talked about the orphan trains, like that would send kids to farmlands and shit like that. This is kind of the tail end of this is, they weren't sending them to farms anymore or anything like that would send kids to farmlands and shit like that. This is kind of the tail end of this is, they weren't sending them to farms anymore or anything like that. They weren't sending them as like indentured servants like they were in the twenties.

But this is the kind of the last of the sending them to like, they would shop them to outposts basically. Like there's nobody around here that'll take them. So we'll put them, you know, someone in the middle of nowhere. We'll, we'll take them.

It was kind of the last gasp of that sort of thing. So wild. So that's how he ended up in Hawaii because he is adopted by a Hawaiian family there. The woman is native and the man is from the mainland and they got married and they end up adopting him. He hit the lottery now. Central Ohio to Hawaii is a pretty good move. That's a. It's not bad.

That's a step in the right direction. Yeah. No offense. Central Hawaii and pipeline in Ohio are entirely different. Totally different things. That's part of a meth pipeline is what that is in Ohio. Plus, no offense to central Ohio, but Gus's cheese barn or whatever the fuck that place is that we stopped at.

Grandpa's Cheese Barn. Can't compare to the North Shore. It just doesn't. So it's – I'm sorry. It just can't. It's not the same thing. Yeah. It's just not.

So his father was a pineapple guy for Dole, for the Dole Company. That's how he moved there. He worked for Dole. He was something to do with the production of pineapples. He wasn't like picking them or anything, but he was in some, I don't know if he's middle pineapple management or whatever the fuck. One day though, Eddie used to go to work with his dad all the time. I don't know why, but he went to work with him. One day, his foster father, Frank, gets into an argument, and the man who he gets in an argument with was a pineapple picker guy.

And he beat his father to death in front of Eddie, his foster father. At work. With his hands. With his hands and pineapples, according to the newspaper. He used, like, he hit his head with a pineapple. Pineapples are hard. He hit him in the head with a pineapple and he also yeah it's not a rock but i guess if it's if it's handy yeah imagine getting fucking imagine seeing that number one imagine seeing a pineapple

bush in the first place the pickers this dude those things are insane they're a weapon for sure yeah they're pointy they're hard there's so many thorns on those they're nasty i can't believe somebody got to one to eat to one to eat to one to eat one in the first place it must have really for us to all know yeah really have to and some endurance some stick-to-itiveness yeah so want to get in there there's got to be something delicious in here. Look at all the thorns. It must be good. It's protecting itself. It's clearly protecting gold. Oh, my God, it's gold inside.

It's amazing. Yeah. It's incredible. Meanwhile, coconut, it's rock hard and it protects shit. Sorry. I'm allergic to coconut. I don't want to know. Yeah, a lot of people love coconut.

It's not really fair for me to besmirch it just because my body rejects it. The water's not fantastic, but the actual thing, I don't mind it. That'll make you shit yourself. Yeah. You want to shit yourself good. Yeah, it tastes like pedicure water. No shit. Oh, my God.

So, okay. I don't know. I was saying imagine seeing this. Number one, because if you broke open a pineapple, you'd be like, oh, that smells lovely. But my father's also dead. So while this is going on, Eddie runs off away from the scene because he's scared because he's a child. I think he's like eight at this point. And he's already witnessed way too much death.

Oh, death. Everybody he's around. If you like too much death death destroy everybody he's around if you like eddie he's you're gonna die period that's it it's a curse like he's a cursed child you ever see you're losing an eye you ever see the brady bunch when they go over and they get the they get cursed because they pick up a little uh you know a little tiki from somewhere or something and ends up uh people there's a spider i don't know there's all sorts of bad luck all over the place yeah i don't know greg loses part of his dick i think the tip gets lopped off i don't know what happens but thank god but uh yeah that's what happens there so eddie runs off his

foster mother this is fucking amazing the native lady the native lady who yeah his foster mother doesn't look for him because i guess it was the dad's idea to get him, so she just doesn't look for him. Well, I mean, he can't go far. Everywhere he goes, he'll eventually run into water. He'll hit water. Yeah, you can find him on an island. Hey, you start from one end and just go to the other.

Eventually, you're going to run into the fucking kid. He'll pinball around until he crosses your path eventually. Anybody seen a kid, you know, with like 12 dead parents who's probably hungry anybody but definitely doesn't want pineapples or warm milk anybody anybody see that and hates christmas anybody he's got a fuck santa claus shirt on that's the last thing you've seen him. I don't know what, if that helps anybody look for him. It's allergic to sleigh bells. You seen him? It's fucking crazy.

Whose story is more harrowing? Him or fucking the last one? Him or Barboza? I'm not even sure. This is fascinating. I guess this is fascinating because he moves around a little bit here. So either way, she doesn't look for him. So Eddie just, he's in Oahu.

He just wanders the streets of Oahu as a homeless child. Like nine? How old is he? Eight, nine at this point. Wow. Just wanders. There's a place to be homeless, I'm telling you. This is right before, a couple years before Hawaiian statehood, I believe, too. So, I mean, it's just like it's a place to be homeless i'm telling you this is right before a couple years before

hawaiian statehood i believe too so i mean it's just like it's a territory and he's just not even a state he ends up being he finds the uh the north shore that's what he gets into and he is kind of fascinated by surfing so being this urchin orphan fucking tiny tim child left out in the whatever he's basically taken in by a group of local surfers and beach bums who keep him as like a mascot basically like he's like wow he's like the gang's mascot like hey send little fucking eddie over there yeah there he goes fast eddie there he is Nobody bother with him sexually. Just let him be. That's it. Yeah.

He would be sent in to like steal shit from stores because he looked innocent and shit like that. Part of that. Yeah. No, he's not killing anybody, but they'd be like, hey, go steal like this. And they'd send him in to steal stuff because he's nine stakes. Nobody will stop you. He looks innocent as fuck.

Yeah. It looks like this cute little innocent kid. And, you know, they're all kind of, you know, they have a certain look that he doesn't have. They're adults and teenagers. Swe sweat runs down their face yeah um by the time he's 10 he's they get him stealing cars wow mugging tourists that sort of shit you know okay that's the worst i can see but stealing vehicles that seems like a that seems like a lost cause somewhere you can't really get away well the thing you got on an island yeah that's true but also car parts over there are probably

worth a lot because they have to be shipped over so when you chop it it's probably a lot more but you have to have you have to have somewhere to put the rest of it what do you just dump it in the ocean the part you don't use put the frame in the ocean i don't know just there's a deep part yeah i don't know what to do here uh but yeah i also too you have when you have a kid that young he gets arrested for it's not a big deal they'll probably won't even get in trouble yeah it'll go away he's 10 where if you got a 17 year old with a record it's a different story so um at one point one of his friends in the gang was actually saving a actually tried to save a tourist in the ocean um the tourist was yeah i guess he was had some kelp issue he was tangled in some

shit and he couldn't get out did you forget there's fucking live shit in there you asshole i don't know if forgot's the right word or never knew or thought about it because it was just somebody going to hawaii fucking around in the water, and thought, hey, this is beautiful, isn't it? Oh, God, I'm going to die out here. So one of his surf thug friends actually tried to help him, and by helping him, his friend ended up getting caught in some sort of tidal thing and sucked away, and then a wave came, and his friend drowned. Oh, my God. And the tourist survived.

Oh, my God. And the Taurus survived. The current pushed him free of the kelp and guided him safely ashore. Guided him safely ashore while this guy was sucked out into the ocean and drowned. That's how it works. Why? He was nice to Eddie. That's the thing.

Never be nice to Eddie. Because he knew Eddie. He's fucking cursed. I'm telling you cursed it's ridiculous dude this fucking guy man he floats safely ashore and eddie goes hi i'm eddie and he goes don't talk to me kid yeah everybody get away from eddie oh shit it's eddie run they all take off don't look him in the eye he's like medusa and shit you will definitely be murdered the worst the worst luck of your life is coming it's coming eddie he's almost like he gives it off like osmosis he has the worst luck and he just rubs it onto you it's fucking terrible so he hated

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They're perfect. So they also, though, teach him how to surf. Not only does his local thug friends teach him how to mug people and all this, but he also gets very, very much into surfing with a group of people who are, they're like the Point Break Gang, sort of, except they don't't rob banks they're more low level than that so he kind of starts mixing up with them he becomes an absolutely fearless surfer because yeah he's got to feel like he has nothing to lose at this point i mean he's been around so much death and he's still alive you probably feel pretty invincible fires and everything else yeah you feel like you're probably. And also, he's around a bunch of older people who have been surfing a long time, and he's just trying to emulate them. He doesn't want to look like a pussy.

I think, too, like it's, you know, you're the smallest and the youngest. You want to act like you're, you know, you don't want to seem too weak. You want to show that you've got some balls. You know what I mean? So one time here, he ends up taking over the gang at age 15. It's not his gang. There's people who are like, you know, 20, late teens to like 30s in this gang. Yeah.

And he's going to take over at 15. He's by far the youngest person around. Like, it's silly. The leader of the gang is 35 years old. um the leader of the gang is 35 years old and eddie rests control away from him by one day when he's surfing here the the other guy what eddie does is the guy is out past dark so what eddie does is eddie hires three guys that he hired from honolulu to come over and fucking get over there's a bunch of rocks and shit over here. It's a cool spot.

I've seen the picture. It's a dope spot. It looks beautiful. Except if there's three guys waiting for you to come in from finishing surfing. And what they do is they grab this guy and bash him against the rocks until he's dead and then fucking just push him in a surfboard out there in the water. He hired murderers. Yeah, that's it. And then fucking just push him and his surfboard out there in the water. He hired murderers. Yeah, that's it.

So this guy. And so it looks like he just fell off his board and got beat against the rocks. It looks like he got fucking lost his balance in a wave and got bashed into the rocks. That's how it works. And they can't prove anything. It's 19. This kid's fucking diabolical. It's 1964, for Christ's sake.

So there's no way to prove anything they're just like well another one of them surfers bashed into the rocks i don't know shovel them up and throw them throw them in a fucking bin that was that so i mean it's so at 15 he's a fucking fire orphan is now leader of a gang of adult surf thugs at 15 years old who he's having murked through yes and to make it look like an accident he is a terrifying young man he even knew enough like a mob guy to bring in outside people not even people he was involved he didn't try to get a couple guys in the gang to do it he hired outside guys so it would be not connect to him which is like that's pretty that's fucking that's crazy shit for a child like what kind of

future does that person have oh wait i mean at 15 dommer was like just staring at joggers fantasizing he wasn't fucking think about it he's got a future this guy and fucking it's crazy right i mean the only thing crazier than that is that none of that is true it's the only thing crazier none of that's true he's he's not even he's jewish there definitely was no christmas tree he's jewish fast eddie rothman's jewish he's absolutely no christmas tree none of that yeah it's burning bush none of it's true um none of that's true actually where's he from uh philadelphia he's a jewish kid from inner city philadelphia and he wound up in hawaii yeah that's what the there's a couple similarities but it's

not it's not anything near what it was and He's a Jewish kid from Philly. It's been a long time since we put one of those out. And I figured after Barbosa's real story last week, anything's believable, right? The last couple stories that we've heard. This is believable as it gets. That's what I mean. And the last couple stories we've heard, this shit sounds more credible than those. And those were 100% true so i thought last

week was gonna be fake right that's what i mean i'm all in shit that's i figured yeah we fooled you so hopefully so yeah born in the dogs are okay all the dogs are fine the woman's orbital socket's fine nobody's tree was anywhere i don't know if he has an uncle or an aunt his aunt was not burned up in a fire no warm milk because there's no kelp dead friend though who was dragged out in the ocean he didn't murder a 35 year old still bad to slowly i think milk still will make you shit your brains out if you heat slowly though that's for sure flash eat it guys. That part's factual. That part's factual. The rest of it, absolute bullshit. Fantastic. Sorry to waste a half hour of your time, but I feel like-

I would rather it be that way than any other way. Who cares? Let me tell you something. When you go see stand-up comedy, about 12% of what that person says is true. They didn't do this last week and none of that happened that's just something that they thought it'd be crazy if this happened or yeah the tip of the story happened and they did shit their pants but it was not a funny situation it was just sad and shameful and they had to make it funny so that you would laugh at it it was just an

adult person not controlling their bowels properly it has nothing there's nothing funny about it but if you twist some stuff boy this could really be something and now you're distracted from paying 17 for a mai tai that's right only difference is on the show we will tell you what's real and what's not so that's the difference on a comedy show we're not going to tell you none of that happened here we'll tell you when it's imagine after a comedy show we're not going to tell you none of that happened here we'll tell you when it's imagine after a comedy show every joke if you said that you go well actually the only part of it that was true was this that and this people be like oh his encore is just a comedian coming out with a powerpoint going and joke one sitting up on the stool like real with the mic in both hands up to his face just like okay here's i'll tell you what happened. Real stoic. Doing a Q&A.

Yeah. And then I asked my server where the shitty part of town is. Then I asked him, and he said Apache Junction, and I said thank you. Or I asked the opener, hey, what's the part of town everybody laughs at? How many of those have you been asked in your life when we used to open for people remember that shit so many times they just go hey let me ask you something i just go apache junction yeah exactly it's apache it's apache junction you ever wanted to give them the wrong thing just to fuck them i've wanted to have them say it and watch them bomb paradise valley yeah just paradise valley just have some really famous

comedian go up there and have people looking at him like that doesn't even make sense bro that's nice that's power but you can't do that can't do that can't do that you won't work tomorrow you won't work tomorrow yeah that dude will be pissed when he comes back you're like i don't know i think it sucks i don't know i don't know but watching you panic when the crowd didn't laugh was was funny for me laugh was funny for me. Yeah, it was funny for me. A good comic would appreciate that. Because who cares?

It's some set on a Friday night. Who gives a shit? You know what I mean? A good comic would laugh. Yeah, that's the funniest thing you said up there. That's what a good comic would say. Well, that's the funniest thing you did tonight. So take that as a compliment and an insult.

Paradise Valley is a real weird, not very aptly named town, right? I know it sounds weird. It sounds great, but it's not. Then there's all these trailer parks. It's like Paradise Valley. People are like, huh? What? What?

You know, it's like, hey, fuck you. My fucking opener is a cocksucker, okay? He's a dick. He told me. What's the shit? Trailer parks like Paradise Valley. Oh, my God. Okay. All right.

Back to actual fast. Yeah. He's born in inner city Philadelphia. He is Jewish, like we said. So no Christmas tree. He was raised, though, in Southern California. So that's where his love of the ocean came from that'll do it yeah um and and in reality he says quote my parents threw me out at 13.

oh yeah what's worse that's what i mean it's not much different that's what i'm saying it's but betty wished they died in a car accident on christmas at least if they died it wasn't by choice they didn't choose to not want to spend time with you anymore. They couldn't help it. They're Jesus. They've been called away. So his father, nobody really looked for him. That's the thing. They threw him out and they were just like, there, you're good. You're 13. was he ends up somehow – by the way, in Southern California, he was learning to surf and shit like that. Yeah. He ends up scraping up enough money to go to Hawaii as a child. Literally on his own as a 13, 14-year-old, he scrapes up enough money to fly to Hawaii and he just stays there from then on.

Amazing. Which is – that's what I mean. It's pretty wild here. from then on amazing which is that's what i mean it's pretty wild here um he is raised by some foster parents there so he's not on the street or anything like that uh but he ends up trying a bunch of different things but surfing becomes his main thing he gets known for surfing and um in the 60s in the 60s yeah he becomes kind of part of this whole culture and very much into part of ingrained in the local culture even though he's not from here. It doesn't matter.

Yeah, they end up accepting him. There's this article where they're saying most people just think he's Hawaiian. They just think he's native or at least half native. They say in Hawaii a lot of people say they're half native. Yeah, because fucking white people moved there and they saw how beautiful it was and there you go. Yeah, ever heard of Pearl Harbor?

My parents were. My dad was here and obviously now I am. Once they stayed there, they were like, oh shit, this is nice. But he was born Jewish in Philadelphia and of that he says,

holy balls, quote, I don't know nothing about Jew stuff, but once this lady on the North Shore made me some Jew food and it was good. What? That's what he said, man. That's his quote. I don't know nothing about Jew stuff. That's okay.

Nothing? I don't know nothing about it. And for him, he didn't mean it like, I don't like it. That's just how he talks. So he just, I don't know nothing about it and for him he didn't mean it like i don't like it that's just how he talks so he just i don't know nothing about don't juice stuff that's just how he is juice stuff but once this lady on the north shore made me some jew food and it was good that's his quote all right um but he's jewish i mean he's he just doesn't know he's never really in the culture in jewish culture so he doesn't really know anything. But you'll see.

That's just how he speaks. He speaks very gruffly all the time about everything. He said his mother physically abused him when he was a boy as well when he was younger. So after she left, that's when his father moved to Long Beach, California, and you'd think everything would be better now. You got abusive mom out of the picture and you moved to Southern California in the 60s. That's pretty nice. Great time to be there. Absolutely. It's like blow over there.

But even better because it's before all the shit's happening. He says, quote, my father would fucking beat the shit out of me because I was little and that made him mad. That's not going to make you bigger. Why would he do that? Grow, you little fucker grow i'll give you the back of my fucking hand if you don't start growing you go to sleep tonight and think tall thoughts no i'm not making you warm milk remember what happened to that lady get long he is only five six when he grows up and i guess his dad wanted him to be longer and so he's very upset about it yeah i'm not sure um so eventually eddie though when he's 14 years old that's when he stole enough money from his father to get a one-way ticket to honolulu

and that's how he ended up in hawai That's got to be beneficial for surfing, right? To be shorter, to be like a lower center of gravity on a board like that? I can't imagine it would hurt because I just know skateboarding, and I assume staying upright on something that's moving, it's not exactly the same, but it's similar properties. You know what I mean? I've never snowboarded, but everybody always tells me, me if you know how to skateboard you'll pick it up fast it's you already know how to lean and how to move and how to make shit so you'll be fine that's half the battle on those boards you want it's a it's a i think that you want it to be at your shoulder

height i think they're those boards are fucking huge man it's crazy yeah yeah yeah it's like a giant it's like a sheet of plywood you're standing on almost giant weird thing yeah it's a bizarre thing but uh so being tall on a snowboard probably doesn't hurt it probably like skateboarding you don't see it like tony hawk is pretty tall but you don't see a lot of tall skaters board right you don't see a lot of tall skaters though it's not i assume it's easier if you have a lower center of gravity to right you don't see a lot of tall skaters though it's not i assume it's easier if you have a lower center of gravity to right you know there's less of your feet kind of stand on that on the on the deck a little easier if you're if you're a little guy yeah maybe smaller

feet would help because like on a skateboard that's if you have size 13 feet you have to pick your board oh i know for me i i can't certain You're on the bridge of your foot. Yeah, certain boards I can't take like a very small board, like an eight I can't ride because it's an eight and a quarter. It fucks me up because it's too small. My fucking feet are hanging off everywhere. It's no good. No control. But you can also, with that, you can manipulate the board easier, you know what I mean, than the little feet. Yeah.

It feels like you're falling off it, though. You don't have anywhere to really land because if you land. You can flip that motherfucker everywhere unless you land perfect you're falling off because you're hanging off anyway you know what i mean so it was hard enough to learn to fucking ollie with my tiny fucking feet yeah it's you needed a smaller board probably it was me jumping the board just kept going boop hey there it goes. Jump. I'm like his dad, screaming at it. I told you to jump, goddammit. Taller, higher.

So he surfed in California, like we said. He'd seen a bunch of, you know, surf film shit about Hawaii, and that was the dream, so he wanted to go there. He just pops up, 14 years old, in Honolulu without knowing a soul. Nobody. Didn't know anybody. He just said he liked it there. He was in Honolulu for a few years. And what he would do is he'd fly back to Southern California, pick up a shitload of weed and bring it back to Hawaii. That's what he would do.

So that was his that was his jam. back to Hawaii. That's what he would do. So that was his, that was his jam. Um, he, in, in Long Beach, when his father moved out there with him, he went to school briefly out there. He said, quote, I went to school a couple of times, but the school told me if I didn't show up, they would pass me. So he was like, all right. And just didn't show up. Why would I be here? That's very strange here. So he, at 16 16 he moves to the north shore and he's doing great he um he's people to sell weed to um he also starts uh he's selling weed he's stealing cars having them chopped up so it's very similar to the fake story here just a less, you know, beginning to it. Less pity. Yeah. So one day he is at Sunset Beach and he is breaking into cars.

Okay. And while he's breaking into cars, he runs into a group of local kids who are also breaking into cars. So they were like in the same parking lot breaking into cars and they were like, hey, what are you doing? Hey, what are you up to? Hey, we're both. Well, we should. Yeah, well, we'll just do it into cars. Oh. So they were like in the same parking lot breaking into cars. And they were like, hey, what are you doing? Hey, what are you up to? Hey, we're both. Well, we should. Yeah, well, we'll just do it together then. Yeah.

We'll join us, I guess. One goes in the passenger side. One goes in the driver's side. Hey. Yeah. Hey. Whoa. Then they do like mirror each other's movements up and down, back and forth.

Picks his nose. Hey, you're not me. Oh, you're not me. God damn it. I got us confused there. Hey, you're not. Oh, you're not me. God damn it. I was confused there. So he says that he's asked later on, how did they come to accept you being that you're a Jewish kid from the mainland and you're doing here? You're here. He says, quote, I don't talk good, which we found earlier that he doesn't he's from philly he's from philly and doesn't have really much of an education either and you know he says quote i have bad speech like them so it was easy and everything went from there i sounded like them and they just accepted that i was like them that's all they're just like yeah

you're all breaking into cars and everybody seems kind of not speaking well and bus breaking into cars and around the same age. So let's be pals, I guess. How do you guys become friends? We're both dumb as shit. General dumbness and criminality is how we got together. Criminality and we don't communicate with each other very well. It's just lack of communication.

A lot of hand signals and grunting. Criminal predilections, things like that, basically. A lot of hold up two fingers and you know pointing at things yeah some grunting mixed in there that's what i do yeah he just never i don't know what it was like he just never really got i feel like he's almost raised feral eddie so it's like he never really picked up on a lot and that's these kids are the same thing as they never they don't really have good upbringings, all the kids that he's hanging out with.

So none of them, none of them speak well, none of them went to school, really none of them. And it's just the way it is. So, um, he would,

he ended up also becoming kind of a, uh, an enforcer at this time for people. Yeah. He would collect debts and shit like that. He's a little guy, but he's tough as balls. He will find out through this whole deal. he said uh they he's asked in an interview were you kind

of adopted by the hawaiians and he said quote they didn't adopt shit i prove myself every fucking day i prove myself with these and he holds up his fists this is so much fun this is when he's like 65 this interview is from, by the way. Is that right? Yeah, these quotes that I'm bringing up right now. They didn't adopt shit. They didn't adopt shit. Jesus Christ.

If I would have interwoven these quotes with my fake story, that shit was bulletproof. It was nobody would have doubted it for a fucking second. Nobody questions anything. Nothing. And we don't even tell them until the end of the show that would be amazing by the way all part of that it would have just been so hard to unwind it and tell you well that was true but this wasn't and that was not that was true he did say he doesn't know nothing about jewish stuff that was true that's true um and the't know nothing about Jewish stuff. That was true. That's true. Um, and the Hawaiians don't adopt shit.

They didn't adopt shit. Prove myself every fucking day. So May 5th, 1972, he's been doing this. He's about 23 years old. He's been, uh, going back and forth with weed,

doing his thing. He is at the San Diego airport this day. It's not a good sign. He buys a plane ticket to Hawaii at the Western diego airport this day that's not a good sign he buys a plane ticket to hawaii at the western uh western airlines counter at the san diego airport that's an airline no longer exists obviously never heard of it um so the ticket agent that the ticket agent believes that he fit the faa profile of potential airplane hijackers. Now, you have to understand at this time, late 60s through the mid-70s, skyjackings were an enormous, enormous thing.

I mean, that was like every day there was another skyjacking. It was front page of the newspapers. It was on everybody's mind. People were talking about Vietnam and fucking skyjackings. That's what it was. It was so in. And Watergate. Those of the newspapers. It was on everybody's mind. People were talking about Vietnam and fucking skyjackings. That's what it was. And Watergate. Those were the things. So that's how big it was.

But the skyjackings then were not to crash it into anything. It was to get the fucking ransom for all the people on board. And they'd fucking pay it. So why not do it? and they'd fucking pay it so why not do it either ransom or it was to land somewhere hold the plane hostage in exchange for a prisoner being let out somewhere that was another thing they would do it was all sorts of different things that were going on there rarely to hurt anybody they definitely wasn't to crash anything there was no suicide you know hijackings at the time that i know of anyway so fast eddie uh goes maybe he said i'm fast eddie

and they were like i don't know about that that sounds suspicious so he goes to the boarding gate uh there he passes through the metal detector without activating it you know nothing like that doesn't have any guns on him then he's detained though by a united states marshal who had been told by the fa by the the ticket counter person that he fit the profile. So they ask him his name and Fast Eddie says his name is Roberts and that he has no identification on him. Well, that's illegal. That's okay. So then Fast Eddie puts his jacket on the counter in front of the deputy there.

The deputy reaches into the jacket pocket thinking that there's a bulge in a pocket and he thinks it's a weapon. So he reaches in, finds money and keys. So there's no gun. There's no weapon in his bag. So at that point, Rothman ends up pulling his identification out of his wallet. And it shows that he's Fast eddie rothman he's not roberts and they're like okay what the what the fuck's going on who are you why are you giving false names what's the deal there so he tells him listen we need to do a further id check

and you're gonna have to you know we're gonna have to bring you into the office and figure out who you are and all this shit before we're gonna let you fly basically that's how it works so while the deputy's unlocking the door to his office to take him in there fast eddie grabs his right hand that he was unlocking the door with the key with and jerks him like into the hallway like pulled him like three feet away from the door okay pulls the deputy away so he's immediately arrested for assaulting a federal officer at that point grab him you can't do that He like yanked him, too. He didn't like, oh, hey, buddy, and like put his hand on him.

He yanked him into a hallway. So he's handcuffed and given his Miranda warning and all that at the time. So his checked luggage at that point is since he's under arrest, his checked luggage is removed from the plane and brought into the office here where he's being held by the deputy the deputy asked fast eddie if he could search the luggage what do you think and uh fast eddie said no you can't search my luggage so the deputy calls the fbi asking that agents be sent over to investigate the assault charge because that's their jurisdiction so while they're waiting and there's about a 45 minute conversation between fast eddie and the deputy which they talk about the fact that uh the old they make a reference to uh fast eddie asked about the possible punishment

for assaulting a federal officer by the way what am i looking at for that? What's the damage? Deputy told him three to five years is a sentencing guideline on that one. So the FBI arrives. They interrogate him at length about whatever the fuck. Are you a terrorist and everything like that? Then they go into an adjoining room. So at some point during that time, if asked, Eddie, they remove the handcuffs from him. And then he's handcuffed again in front of him. So he's not, you know, it's hard to sit and talk when your hands are handcuffed behind your back.

Once his hands are in front of him, here's the conversation. Fast Eddie says, why don't you just go ahead and open the bags? So the deputy says, no, if you refuse to open them, I don't want to open them now. He said, you know, we can get a search warrant and we'll probably will later on. So that's how we'll do this. So Fast Eddie said, what's the use of going through all this? Go ahead and open the bags. It's okay.

He says, don't worry about it. So the deputy says, no, I don't want to open them now. I won't do it. Why don't you open it now? The keys are laying on the desk. If you want to open it, go ahead. So there. At this point, Fast Eddie took the keys that had been placed in front of him and opened his luggage.

Yeah. They open up. 39 kilos of weed in there. Wow. A kilo is 2.2 pounds. That's a lot. That's a shitload of weed in suitcases. That's a lot.

Why? He didn't have it on him. that's a shitload of weed in a fucking in suitcases that's a lot man that's why why like he didn't have it on him it was already in the belly of the plane why cause a a scene just be like no i'm not a hijacker this is me here that's crazy i'm just going to hawaii leave me alone i live in hawaii i'm a surfer i came back to san diego i was surfing and now i'm going back there my dad lives here i'm going home boom over nope i'm roberts don't open that door yank away slap his fucking moron exactly so i do all this he pops it open 39 kilos of marijuana uh he goes to court he's found guilty of trafficking and um all that sort thing, which is probably pretty obvious there. He had it. He's found guilty.

But then in 1974, he appeals it. Oh. And basically, he challenges the search, which is funny because he opened the suitcase. They didn't search. That's what's funny. But under the Fourth Amendment here, this is from the court document, warrantless searches with a few specifically established exceptions are unreasonable, they say. The government argues that Rothman voluntarily consented to the search and that the search was justified as incident to a lawful arrest and that the search was a valid administrative search and thus the motion to suppress was properly denied.

Now, this is an interesting thing because let's say you get arrested in your car. Okay. You're driving. They arrest you. They impound your car. Now you're under arrest. They can search your car. Okay.

Let's say you got arrested for something else. They can search your car then. But if you're out somewhere and they arrest you, they then can't go search your house because you weren't in your house. You know what I'm saying? So that's kind of the boundaries. it's kind of shit you have access to at the time yeah now these are bags that he took in the airport obviously but then he put them down and put them on so they're saying he didn't have access to they were that's kind of like his house at that point it's kind of how're arguing it. Like that's not part of the crime because the crime is a suspected hijacking.

He's just now showing off. Look, I'm not a hijacker. I'd like you to see all my weed. Yeah. Why would I hijack when I have all this weed? That'd be crazy. That'd be nuts. That'd be so stupid of me to do.

I was a suspected hijacker, not a trafficker. So I can go now. Jesus fucking idiots walks away. So he's trying to argue it like they're trying to argue it like the government saying he brought his suitcases in. And when he brought his suitcases in that whole airport's one continuous kind of a thing. That's that's his possessions that he just put on a plane that he was expecting to be rejoined with it's not like they're it's far away from him this would kind of be like if you got arrested a block away from your car like then what you know what i mean is that car part of the search then or you know you weren't in the car though it's kind of one of

those things so um he said the government bears the initial burden of proving consent on this whole thing. That's how this works. The trial court found that the voluntary consent was based primarily upon his original refusal to permit the search. The trial court reasoned that because he was aware of his option to refuse, his eventual consent was voluntary. He refused at first, so he obviously knew that he could refuse. Because when he refused, they didn't search. So then when he gave consent, they're saying that's obviously in full knowledge of being able to refuse consent.

That's what they're saying. So it says in the court document, two competing concerns must be accommodated in determining the meaning of a voluntary consent, the legitimate need for such searches and equally important requirements of assuring the absence of coercion. So that's why they're saying warrantless consent searches are permissible because they enable the police to investigate situations where the stigma and embarrassment of arrest or a far more extensive search pursuant to a warrant may be avoided. So that would be like Russell Wilson or not Russell Wilson. He needs to be searched, too, for fucking signs of dementia. But besides him, Russell Williams for signs of of capability of playing football. Do that. Not very good. But at this moment in time. But the Russell Williams, the Canadian and the Canadian BTK that I call him up there.

He when they had him in the in the box there, once he admitted it all, he said go. He told the cops to search his house. He was trying to keep it the least amount of embarrassment for his wife. And can you keep it low key and all that? So that's what they're kind of saying here. They said consent searches are a part of the standard investigatory techniques of law enforcement agencies. They normally occur on the highway or in a person's home or office and under the informal and unstructured conditions. So they said in the present case, the competing concern of the policy is less significant than under normal consent search conditions. Rothman was arrested and handcuffed and had been in incommunicado custody for some time when he opened the bags.

He was by no means in an informal atmosphere or on familiar grounds. Rather, he was arrested, handcuffed, isolated in a strange place, given a formal Miranda warning, then interrogated by three officers over a period of approximately two hours such an environment is akin to the specter of incommunicado police interrogation in some remote station house they said and this is squarely uh in opposition to the questioning environment contemplated when searches are held to be permissible so the psychological atmosphere in which the consent is obtained is a critical factor in the determination of voluntariness. And they said that in looking at the factual issues of voluntariness, the court must be aware of the vulnerable subjective state of the defendant, as well as the possibility of subtly coercive police questions.

The wait is over. So far, you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. of subtly coercive police questions. I see he's not intimidated by anything. I can fix that. New cases. She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone. OK, so, um. This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her?

Yes, Your Honor. You married his cousin. His brother. That's not him. Yes, ma'am. I would make a beeline for the door. The Emmy Award winning series returns. How did I know that?

I have a crystal ball in my head. It's an all new season. It's streaming. You can say anything. Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. So. They said that we are compelled to hold that the consent was not voluntary because it was systematically psychologically coerced.

So they said, he said, they said, uh, moreover, this is not a case in which consent search was necessary or proper. If probable cause for a search was available, the officers had ample time to get a warrant. There was no risk that the evidence would be lost or destroyed or that Rothman would flee. They had everything in their custody, so they could have held it there for a week until they got a warrant and then searched it. Time is not of the essence.

It's not like... Sometimes it's different when you have, like, you know, did you kidnap that child and is she still tied up in the basement? Where's the fucking basement? That's not one of these situations. It's a fucking suitcase full of weed. It's still a suitcase full of weed a week from now.

And he's arrested on attacking a federal officer. He he's not going to go anywhere. No, absolutely not. So they said in short, there was no justification for the coercive officials tactics which produced this consent, said the trial court found the deputy had probable cause to arrest Rothman. We agree. That's for the assault. But the warrantless search incident to a lawful arrest under certain conditions, blah, blah, blah. So there you go.

The government argues the search of Rothman's luggage was a valid search incident to the indisputably valid arrest. But they said that the Supreme Court held that a search incident to an arrest must not go beyond the area which the defendant might have obtained either a weapon or something that could be used as evidence against him. If it's in the belly of the plane, he couldn't have done that. So that's what they're saying. He didn't have his luggage with him. It had been checked with the airline. He was immobilized. So the search can't be justified on grounds of protecting the officer or preserving evidence.

And there you go. So they said there's an obvious danger, nonetheless, that the screening of the passengers and their carrying on luggage for weapons and explosives will be subverted into a general search for evidence of crime. If this occurs, courts will exclude the evidence obtained. So this they're saying here is they're using the FAA. They're using this airline shit in a whole different way in the 70s. They're saying the only we're only searching you for fucking guns and bombs and shit that you're going to hijack with. And the government should not be able to use that as an excuse to search people for drugs. That's what they're saying.

That's what the court is saying here is an appeals court. Did this change the way we do things now? Because now once you walk into an airport, anything on you is subject to search. Absolutely. That's that's 9-11. That was like, was it just 9-11 that did that? Because before 9-11 they would ask you all kinds of things about your

luggage. They just asked if it was more about bombs though. Did someone else pack your luggage? Have you taken some strange bag that could be exposed? Is it ticking? Things like that they'd ask you. Did a stranger give you a ticking suitcase and tell you to bring it to Dubai for him?

Is your bag warm? Have you seen an altimeter placed in there? Have you heard of an altimeter? Do you know what that is at all? Did they tell you to make a wish at 3,000 feet? That's what's happening. I know now TSA is not looking for that shit yeah like they tell those people don't go looking for fucking weed and drugs and shit like that because we'll

never get anyone through this fucking line like if it can't kill somebody or it's made of liquid it goes through just fucking put the fuck through they literally tell them don't worry about trash that's all they do yeah they're throwing the trash i had one of those teeny tiny fucking delta bottles in my bag yeah i i forgot about it because i just grabbed my backpack and started packing it and i go through from the last trip yeah and they pull my bag out i'm like what is this there's nothing in there and the guy goes he opens it and then he holds it up and shits. He shook it in my face. I was like, oh, that.

Do you want to go all the way out, back out of the line to have this water, or would you like to throw it out? Or do you want to ship it home? No, I'm good. Throw it in the trash. They should do have like a FedEx representative right there, which is like. I can ship that home for you right now. Box it up. It fits the ships. It fits the ships, babe.

Let's do it. So this whole thing is reversed. And yeah, the trafficking, all the conviction is reversed. He's let out of prison. Everything's great. That's the most keys ever. Grace, 39 kilos kilos you're good grace wow nine keys and they're like go home go home you're all right wow get the fuck out of here

what are you talking about so so 1976 he's out of jail he's 27. He becomes one of the – he starts a club basically. It's a gang at the time, but it becomes more of a club later on. It is he and a guy named Tony Squiddy Sanchez. Squiddy is his nickname. Squiddy. So they start this club known as – oh, Jesus. How do I say this? Oh, boy.

It's Hawaiian? Yeah. I don't know how you fucking say it. Oh, no, I did. It's Dahui is how you say it. D-A-H-U-I. That's how you say it. I looked it up, and now it makes sense to me.

It means the pack or the family. It's basically the Hawaiian mafia. That's, I guess, their thing their thing for mafia would be like, you know, Cosa Nostra or whatever this thing of our mafia. Yeah. Either way. That's what it is.

So it's kind of their mafia word. And it's, they also, they're called the black shorts or the black trunks all the time. Cause they, they all wear just plain black swim trunks. That's all, all they wear.

So that's like, you can tell who's, who's on the team. Cause that's what they wear. Black, plain black swim trunks. That's all they wear. So that's like you can tell who's on the team because that's what they wear, plain black swim trunks, nothing else, like Mike Tyson going out there. Yeah. Totally into that. Or the goth kid from What About Bob. Or, yeah, that kid too, Sigmund, little Ziggy. Do you have anything other than black?

And the kid knew what was up. He's good. Yeah. Do you have anything other than black? And the kid knew what was up. He's good. Yeah. So they're like these two started and it's a big it's a surf group. And it's a lot of it is to he says to regulate local surf spots and prevent mainlanders from disrespecting Hawaiians. Okay. In the surf spot.

So this is to police people who think they can come there and surf okay just because you spent thousands of dollars to come here to surf doesn't mean you're allowed to surf is basically what they're saying okay so um yeah there you go it's it's pretty pretty fucking interesting here's a guy uh a surf writer named chas smith this is what he said about Eddie Rothman in Playboy magazine. In Playboy? In Playboy magazine he wrote about the group. Eddie's very famous. He gets around a lot. He's everywhere.

This guy says, quote, Rumors and whispers about his penchant for violence haunt the North Shore. Brave surfers speak of him in hushed tones, afraid they might turn around and see him standing there and then see the darkness of a knockout oh yeah eddie is a bad motherfucker like he doesn't ask people there's no doubt about we are we will never go to the islands after this never because

he will have us fucking drowned probably i'm not sure i don't know allegedly but um i don't want to make him angry and then go there because there's a lot of people that will do bad things to us possibly. So Eddie says, quote, the club started because of the influx of people. The local people are getting pushed out of the North Shore left and right. It seemed like the new guys that there was just no respect. When we started, we would sort of surf. We would surf each spot starting at v land and just make sure everybody that just make sure that nobody caught a wave except the local people we cleaned it all

up pretty quickly what it's crazy so you you go all the way to hawaii to surf and this guy's gonna make sure you don't yeah this guy's gonna make sure you're not allowed to surf so you like do you like cut their line to keep them from being able to get. They beat the shit out of them. They just beat them up. They just beat them up and go, anybody else fucking one or you guys want to get out of the water now? And then everybody leaves because it's a big group of fucking guys who are beating the

shit out of people. Wow. So and they say, you want to call the cops? You see any around? That's what they'll say. Like, fuck you. We're doing it our way and go ahead and call the cops. We'll be gone way before they're here.

Wow. And they'll probably take our side. So fuck off. Yeah, because we're from here and you're not. Well, they got a deal with us every day. You are only at the fucking Best Western or whatever. You're at the Radisson. Yeah.

You check out 11 a.m. Sunday from the Radisson. So they still have to deal with us tomorrow. You got a 12-hour flight home. So get the fuck out of here. That's kind of how it works. It's really weird. have to deal with us tomorrow you got a 12-hour flight home so get the fuck out of here that's kind of how how it works it's uh it's really weird i don't really going around doing that it's it's a lot like they did in california too a lot just not to this extreme but they were doing it in california because based on this they thought that what these guys were doing were cool

because they'd have articles and shit about it and And then they would go, oh, cool. We should do that, too. In, you know, certain places. Yeah. Yeah. Huntington Beach or whatever. If you watched like Dogtown and Z-Boys documentary, they talk a lot about that in the beginning. Like the guys would throw bottles at you and shit if you weren't a local.

It's a locals only is a big thing for beaches. You know, it's a public beach. Locals only. So I don't know. Whatever. Locals only is a big thing for beaches. It's a public beach, locals only. I don't know, whatever. So he ends up forming this group there basically based on that. By the way, in Hawaii, surf competitions, even like real – what's the word I'm looking for? Like legitimate surf competitions. Not legitimate but another thing here.

Real like sanctioned surf competitions, not legitimate, but another thing here, real like sanctioned surf competitions in Hawaii. Still, most of them locals go first. They're there. They take the first spots. Yeah, they surf first. It's like a local first thing there. It's a weird, weird thing. Those are the rules there.

It's very interesting here. So they started. interesting here so they started these guys would uh enter competitions and there was a lot of competitions around here but they were large they were they weren't like open to the public they were invitational surf competitions they would have this was like a real you know real controlled environment here is qualify for it or be known enough for them to ask you to come so yeah you gotta have respect i guess it's a respect thing here. So he said that every time, every tourist wanted every wave, and it changed everything, basically.

It changed the whole, so they had to clean it all up. And he said, quote, I don't like to be feared. I don't want kids to be scared of me, but this place needed it. People just take advantage. That's the thing about doing something that's cool. People are going to catch on that it's fucking cool. Yeah, it's tough. And if you don't want people to do it also, it's difficult.

This happens with some small towns that people find and overrun it. This happens. It happens with things. Yeah. Yeah. It just happens with things. Some restaurant that you like. Yeah.

Oh, I bet. Well, that's but then again again that's how they make money right this is with all that tourist right you you get one day a year or one week a year call it one season a year that people give a shit about your town outside of that they don't care so you better take every dollar you can get yeah like salem yeah here they just it was a different thing. This is all year long. So here, he does say he is a good guy, though. He does do good things. Sometimes violence isn't always bad. Yeah. Which, as being an Italian person, I agree with that.

There's plenty of warranted violence out there. Batman punches people. That's all. So he says, he recounts this to an interviewer to see, to tell him how morally upstanding he is as well. He says, quote, see that right there.

He points at a spot on the beach. He says, quote, years ago, there were some little girls playing on the sand and this big guy came and, you know, showed him his, you know,

his thing. And he points at his dick okay all right so you know what let's do it in their own words for the rest of it i think his description of how he handled this i feel like should be definitely in his own words uh let's do uh in their own words quote so i went over to the house he was a big guy and he was in there cleaning his gun. So I got scared, but I knocked on the door and he answered. And then he made a move. I've always been a little guy. And so I just go on instinct and pow, I hit him in the mouth. He, he knocked out, but woke back up and hit the ground and started moaning. His wife came running around the door and they

called the cops because I broke his jaw. But when the cops came, they couldn't say nothing because the guy would have to say why I cracked him. He was a lieutenant in the army or some shit. Fucking creep. But that's the last time he showed himself to any kids around there. So there's Batman. There you go. Yeah. He's my grandma, basically.

Stopping people from showing cranks to others. He's my grandma sans apple knife. It's not bad. It's not bad. No. So that's, he's saying it's not just me beating up surfers. I also will beat up kid diddlers at least.

Also avenge sexual pedophilia. Yeah. Yeah. He, apparently there's a big beef in the late seventies with Australian surfers that come over to surf the North Shore and don't show enough. And these are like really good surfers. They're known surfers, but they don't show the respect to the Hawaiian.

So there's a lot of beef between the black trunks and the Aussie surfers. Yeah. You're telling me Australians aren't respectful. No, they're just leaving Foster's cans floating everywhere and shit. Tell me. It's not good. Perhaps it's just a language barrier because some of their language does sound aggressive. It sounds, maybe that's all it is.

Maybe it is. Or maybe they're just, they were being a little trashy and that's. It's possible too. Australia is basically Florida with an accent. It's Florida, Hawaii. It's Florida, Hawaii. It's Florida, Hawaii. Yeah, just a lot of flip-flops and a lot of shorts. A lot of no-shirts.

Yeah. A lot of no-shirts. And I've gotten that vibe. And when I ask our Aussie listeners once in a while, they say Florida sounds like a lot of Australia. A lot of Australia, yeah. It's pretty crazy there. So apparently there's a surfer named rabbit bartholomew which is a hilarious name that sounds made up yeah rabbit bartholomew i did not make that up i promise

and i guess eddie was threatening him and all these other surfers and i guess rabbits are like a known respected surfer because they weren't showing enough respect to the local surfers in hawaii jesus christ um back in this is late 1979 uh australian surfers in the black shorts there they were uh they were fighting and i guess after a bunch of harassment from what they called it australian surfers in hawaii in oahu basically they um they they rented out a condominium complex with security guards to protect them, basically. To keep them away. Yeah. One of the surfers said they all got into fights in the water and so on. And they were, at some point, the Hawaiian surfers that weren't part of the Black Shorts were worried that, like, hey, we're not going to have any international competitions here and shit anymore.

If everyone's afraid to come here, that's not going to work. They just flew halfway around the fucking world. Yeah, like, this is crazy. Eventually, they ended up getting a truce from the black shorts based on some certain things they're going to do and be respectful. That's how the rules of locals get to go first in the competitions and all that kind of shit started. It was based on this. Like, we won't beat you up, but you understand that you get leftovers of whatever we don't want. The water wars of 1970. Fucking 79 water wars yeah

kevin costner was involved floating around looking for waves one-eyed man on a jet ski you know it goes so there's a guy named ian cairns and we'll hear from him plenty later on c-a-i-r-n- S Cairns. Yeah, I guess. I don't know. Ian, uh, Ian traveled to Hawaii. Uh, he's been back and forth and later on he'll have to, whenever he goes to Hawaii, he, uh, has an undercover police officer remain with him.

Cause he'll, he pisses quite a few people off here. So he wrote an article in the Sydney, Australia daily telegraph in December, 1977. in the Sydney, Australia Daily Telegraph in December 1977. He said that the black shorts had harassed Australian surfer Peter Townsend. I don't think it's... It's not that.

I want you to show me the way, Peter Townsend. I don't think it's that Pete Townsend, probably. He comes alive and then he surfs. That's how it's what he does. He sold four million copies of his album and was a great surfer that year. He really did a lot. Love to hang out. He's like, this is great.

This makes me want to surf. So they say that this caused him to lose a contest. And he says that the next year, this Ian Cairns, when he went back to Hawaii, he started getting death threats. Oh, no, I'm sorry. This was the surfer that got death threats. The surfer said, it got to the point where I had a baseball bat in my board cover and

a shotgun in my car. I mean, yeah, to protect against surfers who don't want you to surf. It's supposed to be like the, hey, brah, like the most laid back, chill thing. And you're like, hold on, I got to fucking, I got to arm up here. I picture any two surfers in the middle of a cove waiting on a wave. It's almost a nice off for the other person to get the wave. What are you talking about? Weed?

I'm going for the next one. What conversations could you be having? Right. It's pretty. I'm pretty stoned. So are you. That's the only conversations. I don't know.

I watched Forgetting Sarah Marshall. There was a lot of conversation out there. There is. Well, one of the guys that we'll talk about later on was in Forgetting Sarah Marshall, actually. He got cast in it. Yeah. These guys end up and kind of mixed in with hollywood and the whole deal because they become they become famous so this guy with the shotgun he says i mean i'm just a surfer i'm not into drugs i didn't do anything illegal why am i up to my neck in trouble like what the fuck is

going on yeah i'm not a drug dealer i shouldn't have to walk around with a shotgun and a baseball bat what are the 12 gauge in my car yeah right. Right. So the writer, that Karen's guy, he says that he is concerned for surfing's image. He says, I know a lot of young surfers who won't even go to Hawaii at that time. Yeah. He said, people of my era,

Pete Townsend, rabbit Bartholomew, Mark Richards have fought long and hard to get surfing to the stage where mothers think it's respectable and encourage their kids to do it. But these guys are dragging it down into the gutter. So into the gutter. Who has ever thought that surfing is a lucrative career? Wow.

I mean, you'd have to grow up in Hawaii. There's probably 15 guys that do it and make money to live their life. I mean, I was going to say it's kind of like skateboarding, but at least skateboarding, you don't have to live in one of like four places in the world that have oceans that you could do this on. Skateboarding, you need like some concrete or a ramp and you're fine. Whereas you could do that. You could build one indoors if you really have to.

Yeah. Whereas climate controlled. Surfing climate controlled surfing just kind of you're really geographically dependent there and luck of the season whether there's swells or not like what if the waves just aren't happening jimmy i'll tell you when i was a little kid growing up in wappingers falls new york there i um i wanted to be a surfer more than anything, but the waves on the Hudson just couldn't. I never. Couldn't sustain it. Well, I never got the skills I needed to on the waves of the Hudson River that to sustain my abilities, never learned to ride the big ones. You know, it just never worked out for me.

So I switched to skateboards as a child. It's a lot of sitting. Yeah. What do I have more of concrete or ocean? All right. Well, concrete it is. And I'm sure, look, there's ocean on the east side of New York. I don't think it's much surfable. It's, there isn't a whole lot of surfing there. Not nearly like this type of surfing. It was not these giant way, unless there's a hurricane coming and then, then watch the fuck out. You're going to die. And you're also going to die. Yeah. So there you go. Watch you right into the fucking Atlantic City.

Oh, God. That's worse than any other fate. You'd rather get sucked out into the ocean than end up in fucking Atlantic City. There's way more disease there than there would be just being sucked into an awful ocean. Slap you into Montauk Bay. Not good. So 1984. He has a son, actually.

Okay. Makua Kai, I believe is how it's said. Is that right? Makua Kai Rothman is his name. Yeah. He is. It's his name, which is hilarious. I know. I know.

That's why I had to say it like that. That's awesome. You have to frame it as far as how funny that name is. It's a fine name. You put a lot of pineapple and spam on the Jewish cracker. Yeah. Hey, can we have spam? I don't know.

Is that kosher? Is spam kosher? You have to read the label. I don't think it's kosher. So, Makua Kai, I believe that's how you say it. I apologize if it's not. That name means father of the sea. And this kid, from an early age, I mean, he is in the ocean, in the water, surfing, surfing, surfing, surfing, surfing.

And he will turn out to be a very – he's a guy who makes a living being a surfer. He's a famous surfer. He was one of the best in the world. Yeah, he's definitely a well-known surfer, his son, absolutely. It doesn't help that – or it doesn't hurt, I'm sure, that his father is like the scariest guy on the island and involved in the surf scene. I'm sure he got some good waves probably. And your dad encourages you to go do it. Like I'm sure there's a lot of people that live on the island that would love to make money at this, but they probably – their parents are like, you can go surfing another time.

You have school to do. You can go surfing on Saturday morning or whatever if you want. For three, four hours. Then you come back home. Yeah. That's not how you become the best at it. It's the skateboarders that become professional skateboarders are the ones that, you know, dropped out of school in ninth grade because they're skating too much.

So that's 1984 that he has a son. 1986 here. Okay. Now, here's a guy named Fred Hemings. He's a member of Hawaii State Legislature and a former world champion surfer as well. He, in a public hearing, calls the Black Shorts, quote, domestic terrorists. Oh. Yeah, that's strong words.

Sure is. Pretty strong words there. So Hemings is a guy who organizes surfing contests on the North Shore and claimed that the black shorts demanded that it be paid to provide security at the contest. They basically pulled some Altamont Hell's Angels shit. Yeah. The mafia. Protection. Hate to see that beautiful, big, beautiful front window of yours get busted.

People in this neighborhood do crazy shit. You never know. He said lifeguards from other parts of the island ran competitions for much less money, but they refused to work at the North Shore because of the events that happened because they were afraid that Rothman and them would, you know, beat them up basically. Hemings said, I don't want to hire a vigilante terrorist organization on the North Shore. I hired them because I had no choice. So he's saying I got blackmailed into hiring him basically. Also, there is, there's a mother who goes on the radio in Australia and talks about her son who's over in Hawaii and how her son has a terrible, terrible cocaine habit and all this shit.

Now, the Honolulu Narcotics Vice Squad picks up on this radio interview from over there. Somebody gives them a heads up to it. And the woman's the mother of a highly rated Australian surfer. And she went to Hawaii and was interviewed by the police and said that for the past three years before that, her son and his friends there had frequently associated with Fast Eddie. And when he had left Hawaii earlier in the year, the surfer, the Australian surfer, returned home with quite a few debts. He was in all sorts of coke debt. He needed money for coke. Also, this surfer had received a warning from his sponsors that said they were not prepared to watch their money go up his nose, basically.

They said, if you're going to be a coke head, we're not going to pay you anymore. So she said, quote, the mother, I was horrified when I found out he was using cocaine. At the same time, he said, I'm taking cocaine and I like it. Well, yeah, that's why people take cocaine. Yeah, I like it. Yeah. You're indebted to past coke experiences right now. That's not good. I do like it when people say stuff that's so simple and just to the point like that. Don't go around all this stuff. I like it. I was watching whatever the fuck Live PD is now or whatever. On Patrol? On Patrol. There you go.

Sarah calls it Paw Patrol because it's on patrol. So then I always think of fucking Paw Patrol. That's all I can think of. And I know that's not what it is. That's a cartoon. It's confusing. That exists already. So I of fucking Paw Patrol. That's all I can think of. And I know that's not what it is. That's a cartoon. It's confusing. That exists already. So I'm watching Paw Patrol.

Really, really intricate plot on this one. And there's this meth head. Well, there's this guy on patrol that is their Ronnie Dobbs, basically. You know Ronnie Dobbs is y'all are brutalizing me. That guy from Mr. Show and Run Ronnie Run the movie. This guy, we watched it the week before and this guy escaped on a U-Haul truck a fucking box truck escaped he took the police on like a 45 minute chase in a box truck yeah and this guy was like whipping around traffic didn't hit a fucking thing no. Really was avoiding hitting people with this thing.

Like, I don't want to lose my deposit. He was driving like that, right? So they finally found the truck abandoned because he got away from them in a U-Haul truck. He took off. They ended up arresting him like at his sister's house because he parked the U-Haul like three houses down from her or something. And in the back of the truck, they opened it up and it's's spray painted on the side of the walls of the inside of the truck. And the guy's name is Raylan. And it says, Raylan's Shaggin' Wagon 2 in there.

On the inside. On the inside. Imagine you pick up your U-Haul and it's, God damn it. What happened in here? Well, he stole the U-Haul. That was a stolen U-Haul. So then that was the week before last. So then Friday night, they cut to this chase in a pickup truck, and they're like, this is Raylan again.

He fucking bonded himself out, got put on house arrest, cut his bracelet off, stole another truck, and is on the run again from the cops. And they're putting a good chase on too he's going on people's lawns by the time they had him he had no tires on one side of the truck he was a fucking disaster right shagging wagon three the way he's doing it they're just following him as he's driving on these lawns and they're like this guy really just he's just the worst he just won't stop what a fucking asshole they're doing all this shit. Again, didn't touch another car, though. Never hurt a person. So they finally get him.

They catch him. They put him in cuffs. He's sitting on the ground. And they're like, well, what the hell is wrong with you, man? Why are you doing? Why do you keep running like this? And he goes, I don't want to go back to jail. I don't like it.

And I went, well, I mean, yeah, yeah there you go you ask a stupid question the dumbest most obvious answer on earth that's it and they go well what would happen you've just two weeks in a row you're running around what would happen if you plowed into somebody and killed somebody driving crazy like that and he goes i guess i'd be the biggest piece of shit in the world and i'd feel terrible about it for the rest of my goddamn life and he goes i guess i'd be the biggest piece of shit in the world and i'd feel terrible about it for the rest of my goddamn life and he starts crying like raylan you got prop raylan needs a hug man don't do it in the back of the shagging wagon because i'll get ideas but he needs a hug this guy's a fucking mess man but i want to start a collection like a little

gofundme to bond him out whenever he gets arrested because he'll be back he'll be back on tv the next week it's fucking amazing raylan's visa card yeah our run ronnie run he's our ronnie dobbs i want to see him get arrested every week he's a safe driver he doesn't hurt people when he runs fucking run man let's go let's see what you got biggest piece of shit in the world yeah he doesn't hurt people when he runs. Fucking run, man. Let's go. Let's see what you got, homie. I'm the biggest piece of shit in the world. Yeah. He doesn't go at a high speed chase.

He's just like at 45 going through people's yards. It's hilarious. So anyway, that was just to say I like it. He said, I don't want to go to jail. Why? I don't like it. He does like coke. I like running. I like running i like running i like running so

the mother said i was really scared that he was killing himself and that he was going to end up in jail so um she ended up speaking to the cops in hawaii and um then she said i can tell you one thing every kid is experimenting with drugs these days i don't think that was quite true but mom that's exaggeration seems a bit a bit much um graham cassidy who is the what is he uh the executive director of the asp which is the association for professional surfers and they're the asp rather than the aps how the fuck does that work? Surfing professionals, I guess, but they're called the association for professional surfers, but they're, they go by ASP. They go by ASP.

What do you want from us? How much, how much do you expect people to pay attention really to get that? Like, come on, man. He said that the, the Oahu's North shore has a has been just all for dropouts lately.

Dropouts. He said, it's a hangout, and I guess dropping out and drugs go hand in hand. Some surfers just say they should nuke that place and get rid of the low lives. Surfing is full of dudes that have no fucking direction. What are you talking about? Have you ever thought mean have you ever thought of surfers as like the most together dudes they're all no you think they're like hey brah like i'm good at this one thing otherwise i'm like kind of a fucking disaster man they're

water skateboarders that's just what it is every skater i've ever known yeah that's it's you're just a disaster it's a burnout yeah i'm gonna hurt i'm going out to hurt myself now bye it's a i've done that so many to buy i'm gonna go destroy my legs and knees and fall on a bunch of shit on purpose get the band-aids and fucking antiseptic ready i'll be back in a little bit no shit man um so this guy says their idea of a good night is to find a sucker someone who likes to hang on to them and give him a rough time there was one guy they would take him out and load him up with coke and beat the living shit out of him that was their idea of fun okay well it's kind of a 50 50 on

that right i mean you did get me good and high and then you beat me up so did me a favor gave me coke that was one of these yeah 601 so he said the police used to stay away from the north shore because they said the cops said quote it was just asking for trouble to go there okay just doing our jobs is a lot of trouble so we stay out of the bad neighborhoods because then there's a lot of paperwork down there yeah and it's a thing of they got to deal with these people every day. The tourists are gone in a week. Fuck them. So in 1987 here, the cops go to raid their house.

Okay. Go to raid Eddie's house. The black trunks house. The black trunks. Mainly Eddie Rothman because they think he is distributing cocaine on a massive scale. Okay. Mainly Eddie Rothman, because they think he is distributing cocaine on a on a massive scale. OK, so this is from a an article here. The advertiser. What is this advertiser courts? The fuck is that? I don't know. Guy's name is Ken Kobayashi that wrote it, though.

And it's about it's not an opinion piece, but it's a quote. About a dozen police officers turned left instead of right on an unexpected fork in a dirt road and ended up at the wrong house when they were trying to locate the North Shore residents of Edward Fast Eddie Rothman. Police detective testified, quote, Unfortunately, when I came to the fork, I chose the wrong road. Detective Carl Godsey said he then told the driver he said he told the driver go left. So apparently the city is they went to the wrong fucking house. They went to their name Rothman's neighbors, Karen and Jay Brown, who then sue the law enforcement saying that their civil rights were violated when their police burst into their home at july july 2nd 1987 here um the city isn't contesting that the police went to the wrong house but uh you know they're trying to hash out the responsibility um apparently though they got out of their out of their unmarked

vehicles they got to the brown residence he asked mrs brown where ed is, and she told him he doesn't live here. He said that he had no the detective said he had no reason to doubt her. And when he saw a pickup truck that didn't belong to Rothman, he called the other officers back and he apologized. I said, yeah, I told them I often apologize. According to the police officer, Mrs. Brown said people often mistake the two homes and then point it out. Rothman's residence. The detective said he was impressed by the way the Browns acted toward the police. They were very cordial. As a matter of fact, I was somewhat embarrassed to say the least.

And we left. Yeah, they were fucking, you know, raiding a house. He said only one of the officers had his weapon unholstered. The other one carried a shotgun, so two had their weapons out. Mrs. Brown, though, said that she was scared and somewhat in shock as the police converged on her home. She feared her and her husband would be shot. She said everybody but one of them had a gun in their hand

and they all looked like they were ready to use it. She said, my husband and I just looked at each other and we stepped aside. She said more than one officer went into the house and she and her husband later discovered that the door to the hall closet and bathroom drawers had been opened. She said it was only when one of them asked with a walkie talkie, where's Eddie, that she realized they were looking for her neighbor and not her. If you're this guy's neighbor, you know, he's doing something, you know. So she said none of them apologized except for the last one. He sort of mumbled. Sorry, it's fucking hilarious.

So either way, they do end up going to Eddie's house and they raid his house and they find quite a bit of shit here. So here's what Eddie is accused of. He gets arrested and there's a bunch of different people involved, especially a couple of informers. One guy, Edward Earl Fernandez, who describes them as major cocaine distributors. Fernandez told authorities he received cocaine from people at the direction of Rothman. He said Rothman's the big leader of the whole thing. from people at the direction of Rothman said Rothman's the big leader of the whole thing. Fernandez said he feared Rothman's organization because he saw incidents in

which Rothman had broken people's legs before. Oh Jesus. So he didn't want that to happen. He said it was common for Rothman to front people shit. He'd front people Coke and then he would make demands of them that weren't just money. You'd have them do shit for him and all that because they owe him money. Fernandez emphasized the point that Rothman was known to use threats, force, and violence to enforce drug-related debts.

And according to the memo, Rothman wanted another guy, Coburn, Guy Stanley Coburn, to bring a state drug agent to a bar at Turtle Bay Hilton. Rothman said he would have drugs placed in this woman's drink. She's a federal agent of this woman placed in her drink so she could be abducted, taken to Rothman's Sunset Beach home where she would be raped and photos would be taken. Oh, my God. That's his plan. That's dangerous.

That's his plan, which is fucking sick. So he thought the cases against Colbert, Colburn and Fernandez would be completely compromised and the pressure on his organization will be relieved if he showed proof that, you know, this woman was whatever. Here she is asleep naked next to us. at that see look she's fucking the yeah she's fucking the subjects of the investigation that's what they were trying to get to so um yeah that's that's pretty fucking interesting um uh july 2nd 1987 this all happens he's charged with conspiracy to distribute cocaine and promoting a dangerous drug in the first and third degree. He said they are alleged to have operated a drug ring between December 1981 and May of 1987. That's a long fucking time. He's charged with the trafficking and some other shit. Maximum prison term he faces is 35 years if convicted on everything here. Oh, shit.

One of his co-defendants has the bond reduced from $2 million to $20,000, which is way less. That seems way less. Rothman, though, Fast Eddie, is held on $5 million bail. Jesus. And Squiddy is held on $2 million. So Rothman tells a circuit court judge when he's trying to get bail reduced, he said, quote, I don't mean no harm to nobody. That's nice. He said that he might be able to post bail as high as $300,000, but any amount beyond that, he'd have to stay in jail.

He said, add another million and make me the $6 million man once they said five. He goes, fuck it. Just add another one. Who cares? I can't make five. So the judge refused to lower the bail. And they said that because the prosecutor said Rothman was in control of a cocaine ring that moved millions of dollars of cocaine over the last five or six years, brought up the plans to kidnap and harm drug agents, Rothman's predilection to embark on counter surveillance, to learn things about the government agency, which mob guys have been doing since the 60s.

So he's arrested. His partner's arrested, Tony Squiddy Sanchez Jr. Yeah. Papa Squiddy. There's a Squiddy Sr. is what I get out of that. Yeah. Yeah. Papa Squiddy.

There's a Squiddy senior is what I get out of that. Yeah. So they said that they operated a reign of terror and that Oahu's North Shore has been held in a state of near feudalism. So they've just taken it over. And there's been rumors about the group for a long time. They do say the prosecutors makes great pains to say that not all members of the black shorts are linked to Rothman's cocaine enterprise, but many have been interchangeably used as strong arm collectors and dealers. So that's how it works. and the judge and prosecutor are trying to sort out who does what. Yeah, and when you're allowed to use it as a collective thing and when you can't accuse everybody of doing something,

you're only accusing this guy of doing it and all that kind of shit. So much so that the next day the prosecutor has to walk some shit back, which is funny when a prosecutor's like, I didn't mean to say this. He wanted to apologize if the prosecution sent a message that all members of the surfing group were bad people. He said not all of them are bad people. He said that some of them have just been used by Fast Eddie and they're not all bad people engaged in criminal activities. And so there's that trial comes around. OK, it's a it's a big deal, obviously.

that trial comes around okay it's a it's a big deal obviously um now jacqueline linden who's a mortgage loan officer who handled rothman's loans this is the best testified that rothman established himself as quote a character on the north shore and that his reputation has grown to mythical proportions she said similar to quote Popeye Superman or the devil which is the name of this episode holy shit those are all different guys that do vastly different things but they are all very well known that's the one thing about them they're're all pretty infamous, if nothing else, and very strong. She said his name and reputation was being used to bully and terrorize. So they said that the prosecutor said that he's presented evidence to show that when Rothman was arrested, they found a shotgun under his bed and a buck knife near his headboard. That's nothing compared to what Jimmy's got in his room.

And a buck knife near his headboard. That's nothing compared to what Jimmy's got in his room. And a buck knife is nothing. I have the Jungle Master three-foot machete within fucking arm's reach of my bed. I have a couple of clubs. I got a couple of guns. Not at all. Several guns. Sarah's got her machete on her side.

I keep mine over there. Don't come in my bedroom unannounced. That is where I rest. And if there are noises, I will beat the noises unmercifully. I'm looking to chop up whatever my dogs haven't fucking destroyed. Mauled yet. Mauled yet. So he also reviewed the case and alleged that Rothman devised a plan to kidnap the drug agent, which we talked about.

They also said that Rothman is on tape. They have audio recordings of him telling an undercover officer that was posing as a drug dealer in 1981, if you want to work on the North Shore, you pay us. So basically, we're the mafia of the North Shore. You want to work here, you give us a cut, just like you would do in a mob run place. Yeah, that's it. You got to get permission and send tribute so the deputy prosecutor said that proves that mr rothman

did run the north shore okay it proves he's acting like he ran the north shore but it doesn't proves he claims it because if he just was there and somebody he considered a rube wants to sell coke he could say i'll shake this guy down. What the fuck does he know? Right. And that's how I would argue it. If I was Rothman, I'd be like, I just said that. It doesn't mean it's true.

Yeah, this guy just looks like a dork. That's all. I thought he was a dork. I was trying to scare him away. He could say anything. Yeah, he's a total dork. Look at him. Jesus.

He looks like a dork FBI agent. So I tried to shake him down. Yes. He looks like, what's that guy? He looks like Keanu Reeves. That's who he looks like. Yeah. They sent Keanu Reeves in there.

That's what I'm wondering, too. Is Point Break based on any of this? I feel like it is. I really feel like it is. It's possible, yeah. This surf gang, this is the only real one that I really know of that's like a well-known surf gang. I've never heard of a surf gang before no that yeah and when you saw point break you went oh jesus this is ridiculous what are they

a surf gang yeah right they fucking exist he's in a wetsuit come on who knew i mean honestly seems seems very vulnerable i can see everything i know did you i know how big he is did you i know what that i know that water's cold did you for a second realize that 30 years later you'd find out that that was true for a second i've never looked at a mob figure and questioned oh my god i bet he has a tiny dick like those guys just scare you with a guy that all wet, you can see that he's got a tiny dick. Well, they also wear a suit that's baggy enough to keep a little mystery about them. I can't see where his gun is. You have no shirt on.

I can see you don't have a gun. I can see all your shit that you got here. I can see you don't have a gun and you have very little penis. Very small amount of penis. So the trial is delayed. Oh. Based on they're trying to say the search is no good. His lawyer maintained that the police violated Rothman's constitutional rights by breaking down the door of his home instead of knocking and asking permission to enter.

Rather than now when they just they knock and yell police as they're not blowing the door and blasting the door open with here they said that was just it's just a it's a decorum thing really it was just plain and polite i would offer them coffee if they were polite about it yeah so they said during the raid they seized uh financial records a rifle uh and a small amount of cocaine and they said. And they said that they indicted him on the firearms and cocaine charges and then presented all the evidence that he was distributing cocaine as well. So they do postpone it, though, to figure out what to do with this evidence. They're very upset.

Rothman says it was like a vacuum cleaner that they were in there he said they were faced with boxes of material they couldn't go through with a fine-tooth comb in the time allowed that's what his lawyer said like he's like it's ridiculous they how are they going to do this they complain that basically they were too thorough when they're searching okay they're too thorough which when they're looking for financial records that's a piece of paper so you can search anywhere a piece of paper may be you got to be mad thorough to find when they're looking for financial records, that's a piece of paper. So you can search anywhere a piece of paper may be. You got to be mad thorough to find that. You're looking in the bill drawer. You're looking everywhere.

Yeah. Find if they're looking for drugs in America. They'll tear your fucking house to pieces. They'll rip it down. Rip your ventilation apart. Yeah. It's insane. That shit's expensive.

You can't get HVAC guys out there quick to fix that. insane. That shit's expensive. You can't get HVAC guys out there quick to fix that. So Rothman's attorney contended that a search warrant authorizing the raid was regarded as a ticket of admission to the homes whether authorities were, quote, on a free-for-all once they got in the door. And that's the question here. So they said that there was a seizure, apparently in the seizure, a birthday card from Rothman's daughter and Rothman's will were taken with all the other shit because it was mixed in with some financial records. So the his attorney says the search was like a vacuum cleaner.

That's how searches are, though. That's how they are. They suck everything up. That's what happens. Like they take your car in and search it. Like there's just that's how drug searches go. You know, so I'm not in and search it. Like, there's just, that's how drug searches go, you know? So I'm not saying it's good or bad. I'm just saying that's how they work.

It's thorough and intense. If you're searching for drugs or documents, you can search pretty much anywhere. It's not like you're searching for a car. They're fucking small things that can be easily hidden places. So, you know, that's how it works. Correct. That's how it works. So the chief justice appeared to agree with his lawyers that the authorities failed to specify particular items to be sought in the raid, which is something you have to do. The judge ended up saying you lacked probable cause. You didn't know exactly what was in the house, which means if you didn't know what you were looking for, it's not just a poke around. You have to think you know exactly what you're looking for. If you find other shit too, great. But you have to have evidence specifically that he might have a bunch of coke in his house. And you just kind of went in there as a, you got a warrant and used it

as a poke around. So yeah, they said that the warrant authorizing seizure of items in the two homes included such broad terms as articles of identification and currency and describing categories of items to be seen seized. The officers even seized such items as family photographs and a birthday card. And so that's what they're complaining about. The district court signed off on the warrant and they said that it reads as this. OK, this is how the warrant reads books, papers, documents, records, receipts, billings and statements, including but not He said that it reads as this, okay? This is how the warrant reads. Books, papers, documents, records, receipts, billings, and statements, including but not limited to ledger books, receipts, keys, and other articles, which tend to show ownership or possession of the above-described articles and such currency as may constitute proceeds of drug transactions.

So, yeah, that's what they're saying. That's pretty thorough. I think that's pretty specific. Yeah, but they had 11 police officers in describing it. They showed up at 7 a.m. with 11 police officers. Upon arrival, the members of the team took up security positions around the perimeter. This is from the report of his home. And several officers approached the front door of the home.

To the left of the front door was a picture window, which was somewhat larger than the front door. The house was a three-story structure. At that time, the officer in charge of the security team was aware that the master bedroom was on the third level. However, he had no knowledge of where defendant was in the house or whether defendant or anyone else was in the house. There was no lights or activity in the house. Surfers don't wake up at 7 unless they're surfing. If a surfer's up at 7, he's not in his house. He's out surfing.

Or he's coming home from finger banging somebody all night. After he surfed or before he surfed, yeah. After the luau. Dipped his hand in the salt water and then went home. There you go. The officer had heard that defendant had strong armed individuals who dealt in drugs and was.E. agent that more than a year prior to the search, defendant had pointed a rifle at the informant without the informant's knowledge that the rifle was kept under a bed in the master bedroom. That's what they were looking for. And that's where they found it. However, no attempt was made by the security team, which initial initially entered the house to look for the rifle under the bed or to check for the presence of persons in the house other than the defendant, his wife or child.

Moreover, no attempt was made by the searching party to locate the rifle in the area, which was it was apparently known to them. Rather, a an O.N.E. agent testified that she happened to see a rifle case under the bed as she was climbing the stairs to the master bedroom. The photograph of the view from the stairs indicates that the agent could not have seen the rifle under the bed from there. So that's why they're saying this. They're saying there's falsified shit in the reports. The officer in charge of the security team knocked twice on the front door and announced his presence and the possession of a warrant.

His demonstration of the knock and announcement indicates it took approximately 10 seconds. Without looking into the window next to the front door which would have given him a view of the interior of the house and the part of the stairs leading up to the master bedroom he ordered you know to see if anyone was coming he ordered another officer to break down the front door this was done almost immediately the approximately 15 but no more than 20 seconds laps from the first knock on the door to the entry of the officers into the house. His reason for the immediate entry of the house was to prevent anyone from gaining

a position of advantage. They do that all the time. Prior to the breaking of the front door, there was no indication of any activity within the house, no lights being turned on, no furtive or threatening gestures by anyone, and no apparent refusal to open the door. The searching party of the defendant's house searched for and seized virtually any writing, So they just took everything, not saying we know exactly what we want.

valedictorian value so they just took everything that's saying we know exactly what we want so um they said that family pictures were taken because they appeared to show in the background a geographical location similar to south america saying here's a family photo were they in south america buying cocaine south america and hawaii in photos look very similar. Palm trees, palm trees. Okay, water, water. Look at those fat blade palm trees. Those look mad tropical. Those look pretty good there. What is that, a banana tree?

Probably. What is that, a fucking coconut? I bet it is. Pineapples, yep. All right, there we go. Fuck, man. Good God. They also searched his accountant's place.

What is her name here? Valentine is her name. The search party searched here, recovered virtually every item which could be identified with Eddie, regardless of its evidentiary value. Basically the same shit. So the Hawaii Supreme Court issues a ruling that leads to they say you can't have any of the shit you found in the search oh my god he's the luckiest man on earth luckiest guy completely so this causes the dismissal of part of the cocaine case against him uh because they can't do the trafficking because they don't have certain things. So they're pissed off.

All they had in his house was about half a gram of Coke. That's all they could find in there. Uh-oh. Because if he's selling it, he's not going to have it in his house, obviously, probably. And who's selling a half a gram of Coke? No, that's personal use. Yeah. If he's selling it, he's in charge of it.

He's not fucking doing it is what they're saying anyway. But either way, they say uh they can't have that here they said that uh his bail was reduced then from five million to 140 000 which allowed him to get out and um they they dropped the firearms charges and the cocaine charges and uh it's been quite a problem here at this point uh while he's out on bail here, they tried to get him, his bail revoked. And a judge denied it, though. He's accused by prosecutors of obviously being a huge coke dealer. And they said that he was arrested again on August 20th on charges that police said stemmed from their search of his home.

And he was really because they arrested him again in august and released him on 65 000 bail so because they needed to get him they need to get him on the shit they didn't get him on the first time so while he's out on bail city deputy prosecutor said that rothman broke his 8 p.m to 6 a.m curfew that was set at the bail hearings they present testimony from a honolulu police narcotics officer who testified he saw Rothman driving away from his home at 7.50 p.m. on August 19th and said he later went to Rothman's home and was told Rothman was spending the night at the home of David Stant, a friend who lives somewhere else here.

They said that also Rothman stayed the night at a North Shore party two weeks before that. Now, he said he interpreted the conditions of curfew to mean that Rothman must stay at his home during eight to six those hours because it was important that the police be able to maintain a watch. However, Rothman's attorney said that the bail order only required him to be off public streets and out of public buildings during that hour. So he could be at anybody's house he wants to be at as long as he's out of the streets by 8 o'clock. Right. As long as he's home before the streetlights come on, he's gold, baby. Amazing. The judge sides with Fast Eddie saying the order never stipulated that he could be confined to his own home during these hours.

The order never stipulated that he could be confined to his own home during these hours. And they said as for attending a party and staying the night, he said, quote, even a person accused of crimes requires some semblance of a social life. What the fuck? Look into the background of this judge. That man wants leniency whenever he fucks up. Wow. He loves surfing. I don't know what the hell's going on.

He's a big surfer. So Ian Cairns again, back to that guy. I can't. Okay. Cairns. What a weird name. So it could be Carnes,

right? Carnes. Yeah, I'm sure it is. He's the winner, by the way, he's done a lot of surfing shit. Winner of several North shore surf contests. He says that he endured years of intimidation to come to Hawaii for, um,

to do all this. Yeah. He said, but thousands, he said he was terrified and other surfers he knows are terrified because of the intimidation. And he stayed away from Hawaii. He said, surfers are, you know, uh, scared to come here. He said, I always felt personally threatened when I went surfing. So this is on they're trying to say that he headed this badass group so he's going to testify in the trial he uh he helped form the association of surfing professionals in 1983 and uh he was the executive director for a long time and uh yeah he talks about how, well, lawyer for Eddie says that the association was treated Hawaiian surfers unfairly. So anything that was done to Carnes is probably warranted, basically.

Carnes acknowledged he made public statements about the need for improving the way surf meets are run, but denied suggestions that he or his association discriminated against Hawaiian surfing. This guy, he's the winner of the 1973 Smirnoff Tournament, the 1976 Duke Kahanamoku Tournament, and the 1980 World Cup surfing contest all on the North Shore. He won all these, this guy. And he said the aggression toward him escalated after he started winning. He said in 75, he was told people were coming after him with guns and knives. And he said the late, what is he, Eddie, how do you say his name? A cow?

A cow? He's like the surfing legend down there. They said that he intervened and set up a meeting to defuse the he's the only guy who had the most respect that even the gangs would not fucking fuck with him basically so at that meeting he said that Karn said that Rothman

told him that basically you're not a local surfer and that's why you're being victimized in 1980 Karn said he was at a party at Sunset Beach when a woman told him, Squiddy's outside with a gun and he's going to shoot you. So he said he was frightened and left the party. Okay.

In December 1984, after a dispute between his association and Hawaiian surfing promoters, Karnes said Rothman made an implied threat. He said that Rothman told him, you're very courageous to come to Hawaii. I hope you enjoy yourself. And then later at that month, later that month, Karnes was paddling ashore and he noticed something a little off. He said, you become more tuned to the jungle. He said he saw people on the beach who appeared to be lookouts. He said when he went to shower and got done a large hawaiian guy came out of the blue and started swinging at him oh yeah i said that uh he quotes the guy as saying quote uh i've been trained to kill fuckers like you while he beat him up he said he big man, huge guy, and he said most of the punches hit him in the head.

He said the assault lasted over 15 minutes. Oh, my God, that's so long. He was, like, dragged to another fence and beat up, but he said he wasn't badly injured somehow out of this. He said if it wasn't for the face of Fast Eddie off to the side, he said it would have been an easy thing to forget because you get beat up on the beach all the time. But he said that Eddie was there laughing and watching and laughing and laughing, which is fucking funny.

And the guy, as he was beating a car and said, I'm doing this for what you're doing to the Hawaii people. And he said Rothman was laughing all through that. And Jesus Christ. laughing all through that and uh jesus christ so eventually they moved from the shower across the park into the highway into a nearby school fence this beating went just beat him all the way across the street and then eventually rothman said ah calvin he's had enough and then they him rothman and the assailant walked away together wow so that was that. Karn said he never reported it to the police because the assailant told him not to. Fair. You listen. They were beating me. How much worse would it be if I told on them? He said everyone fears the repercussions

would be far worse than what's happening at that point in time. So it's not fucking worth it. Karn said that an officer told him there's nothing you can do, but if you were to get a group of his friends, if you were to get a group of friends and visit him one night, he wouldn't call us. So he said he talked to a cop friend that he knew,

and the cop said, look, we're not going to arrest him, but if you want to take vigilante action, just go over there with a bunch of people and kick the shit out of him. He won't call us, so that'll go under the radar. You can do it if you want.

But he's not going to do it at all here. So, yeah, he just talks about being beaten. He said he would carry a baseball bat and a surfing bag. He said at that point no one was going to touch me again or I was going to spill blood, is what Cardin said. He said I was changed as a person because of this whole situation. Very fucking interesting here also the undercover officer here who tried to infiltrate the the alleged drug ring here is

carl godsey and he said that he posed as a messenger boy for a west coast drug dealer in an effort to infiltrate the black shorts so So he said that a Brazilian arrested for cocaine trafficking told him last month that Squiddy Sanchez had beaten up several of his fellow Brazilians to get his phone number to try to get this cocaine connection through him. So that's how this guy knew to do this, the detective, because he threw an informant who was actually a Brazilian who was arrested for cocaine trafficking. So they said that his business wasn't so much cocaine as it was extortion. That's what Squiddy Sanchez had told this undercover agent.

Sixty seven friends of Sanchez, by the way, wrote to the judge urging him to lower his bail to let him out during all this. Really? Yeah. During during the trial they also bring up that an officer named reginald manoa said that he responded to a domestic complaint from rothman's wife in september 1986 he said that rothman told rothman's wife told him that rothman had been using threatened threats against, saying he was going to use his connections to have her taken care of. Oh, boy. That's a. Yeah. But when they were when they by the time he's arrested and on trial, they're still together. So, OK, so, yeah, I'm serious. Apparently he didn't do that.

named James L. Hayes said that in 1984, Rothman told him, hey, brah, where's my money? And made a threatening noise on the phone after this guy was slow in paying half of a $4,000 fee for production rights to a surfing event there. So if you wanted to film something, you had to shake them down. They shook you down for money to make sure nobody damaged your cameras and all that kind of shit. So anybody that did anything there. So threats, more threats. Federal agents say that threats were made. There's a guy named Pepe Bastarde, which is a great name.

Pepe Bastarde. Bastard pee-pee? Bastard pee-pee. The bastard pee-pee. That's guys with a limp dick say that. Pepe Bastarde. That is whiskey dick in Spanish. Pepe Bastarde. Pepe Bastarde.

Pepe Bastarde. No, no, no. This never happens. I'm sorry. That's his middle name pepe this never happens best starting um yeah he said he provided cocaine to people who then passed it along to this one to that one uh one guy testified that um what is this oh bestarde said that $7,200 was not paid for three ounces of cocaine. He owed some. And that Squiddy Sanchez would beat the informant and publicly shoot him in the mouth.

Publicly? Publicly, just to make sure. Federal agents arrested old P.P. Bastarde, according to this guy. And he was convicted on cocaine charges in federal court. Also testifying is a state narcotics agent named Patricia Bourne, who said she recovered. Oh, this is the one that talks about the rifle that she found. OK, so, yeah, the rights fees. OK, more witnesses here.

Just lots of witnesses of intimidation. One guy here, a circuit court, a guy named Nathan Ortiz here, he was accused of threatening to, this is a relative of Fastetti, he's accused of threatening a potential witness against Fastetti, threatening to whack Robert G. Costa or his son if Costa were to appear as a witness against Rothman. So this Ortiz guy gets convicted of this. So they were still threatening witnesses during this whole trial. Like literally this, he got convicted of this and faces a five-year sentence

for this whole shit here. So he denied threatening Costaa saying he visited his home just to make peace before he testified you know i just wanted to make peace with him to make peace he's about to make peace in court no shit i was just going over there saying no hard feelings tell the truth is that what he's saying yeah you just go i want you to go into court and you just say whatever makes your conscience feel clean. No matter how it affects me or my family or friends. Just do your thing.

You do the right thing. Resolve yourself. Yeah. Don't do the easy thing. Do the right thing. That's what he told him. Oh, okay. So Edward Fernandez, he was that informant from earlier we told you about here.

He made an accusation on the stand here accusing them of everything. He's an auto mechanic that we talked about. He says that he sold cocaine in the late 70s and Rothman first told him he could obtain higher quality cocaine for him in 1979. In 1979, he said Rothman arranged in April 83 for Fernandez to buy his cocaine with another guy who's on trial here delivering the coke and picking up the payments. Fernandez said he made 15 purchases of eight ounces of coke in one year. Wow. It's not bad. He's fucking not a bad deal there.

At 17 to eighteen hundred dollars an ounce and asked for a lower price in 1984 because of the quantity of his business he's like i'm buying fucking eight pounds a year off you what are we talking about here so he said i suggested we leave rothman out as the middleman but then the the guy who he was doing business with doing business with rejected the idea because of his close ties to rothman sure so obviously now another witness here comes forward. Oh wow. This is interesting. Um, well another witness doesn't come forward cause he's missing.

There's a guy, uh, he told, he was told, he told police before his four February 14th disappearance that he felt his life was in danger and that a hit or a murder contract may have been put out on him. Okay.

His name is Frank Thomas R him. Oh, okay. His name is Frank Thomas Ramos. Uh-huh. Almost Frank Thomas. He was last seen riding a green 15-speed bicycle at about 7 p.m. on Valentine's Day near Sunset Beach. He was reported missing. Police homicide detectives say that they suspected foul play in his disappearance. And, yeah, they're basically saying that he was involved in this whole thing.

He was going to testify later on. And that's how that works. So maybe that's the possibility. They said Ramos was identified in a July 1987 memo as a doorman at the Steamers nightclub. That doesn't sound good. at the Steamers Nightclub. That doesn't sound good. The memo alleged that Ramos learned of a meeting between state narcotics agents and a drug informant at the beach park around there

and then rushed to tell Rothman and Sanchez about the meeting. Rothman, Sanchez, and Ramos brazenly pulled up to the meeting site in Rothman's yellow Mercedes. Ramos got out and walked over to the drug informant and stuffed money in his pocket while stating that the informant should take his friends out to dinner. There you go. I should buy yourself something nice. On me.

Yeah. So then Ramos, Sanchez, and Rothman drove away laughing, according to the memo. Yeah. So the prosecutor said that, yeah, Ramos was not scheduled to testify as a witness in the case, so he declined to speculate on possible reasons for his disappearance. He might have been disappearing himself on purpose. He's described as 6'2", short graying brown hair, thick dark mustache, and a dark tan complexion.

You know, guy at the beach. Beach guy. 1989. This goes on for almost two years, this trial. Okay. 1989. The verdict comes in here. He is found not guilty of conspiring to distribute cocaine.

Also acquitted of first degree promotion of cocaine. He's the worst. And he's getting away scot-free the luckiest fucking guy is everyone just afraid of him what's going on yes that might be what it is um it was a day of deliberation they said that done uh rothman said i'm very happy i thank god and my friends and he said he wasn't wasn't surprised though by this he's like of course not he said he wasn't surprised, though, by this. He's like, of course not. He said, I'm relieved, but, you know, I'm not fucking surprised. This is crazy. He said because the government didn't have any evidence.

What evidence did they have was not allowed because it wasn't obtained in a proper way. That's what his lawyer said. So there you go. He's fucking thrilled. Everybody's thrilled. everybody's thrilled um there's a plea bargaining agreement uh for his two partners here in which they're allowed to plead guilty to two cocaine charges that carry the possibility of probation and um yeah so there you go this is fucking crazy he keeps himself insulated from all of the all of the bad shit he sets himself up like a mob boss and i'm not allegedly an alleged mob boss that's

how he sets himself up so it's pretty fucking interesting here um rothman says told you motherfucker yeah told you so he says obviously um he it's fucking hilarious he said quote i'm happy and i'm glad that the jury was fair. He said, I think certain people in the prosecutor's office might have been looking out for their own interests, trying to fabricate a case so they could move on to bigger and better things for themselves. He said the black shorts that they accused of all this and that they know was just a surf and lifeguard club put together by good people. So I think the whole thing backfired in their face. And who knows what's going to happen now? by good people. So I think the whole thing backfired in their face. And who knows what's going to happen now? Maybe people in the new administration in Hawaii that have administration have people they go after for personal reasons, like a little vendetta, or maybe they'll do regular

prosecutions instead of selective prosecutions. He said, yeah. So at this point, he's walking free, surfing free, doing whatever he wants. Everything is great. Loving life. He's loving life. And one day he's sitting outside and he's on the beach. It's a morning.

He's out surfing. It must be one of these glorious mornings. You know what I mean? A very beautiful Hawaiian morning. And there's nobody around, which is weird, too. He's just by himself and he's sitting there and he's on his board and out of nowhere he hears just harps and

the sky clouds come and then open up and who is there? It's God up there in the clouds. And he says... How is it you've come to arrive here? What is... Honestly, man. Like, dude.

Yeah. Dude. You've seen what I can do, right? Look at this. It's beautiful, isn't it? That's why you're here right now? People come here for a reason? I made this so people would come here, and then you're telling them, don't enjoy it, don't enjoy it.

Who do you think you are? God? You're not. You know why I know that? Because I'm God. I'm he. I am he. I did not make waves and rocks and shit like that so you could sit on your goddamn lazy ass

and tell people what to do. I'm not doing it anymore. I'm tired, goddammit. I'm sick and tired of it, really. Seriously, man. Like, for Christ's sake, bro. You know what I mean? Bra, sorry.

Sorry, bra. That's what I mean. I'm about sick of this. Seriously. I'm going to... There's going to be... Remember, there's volcanoes'm I'm about sick of this. Seriously, I'm I'm going to there's going to be. Remember, there's volcanoes here. This is just in case.

It's my safety. What this place with molten fucking rock. It would look like Pompeii in this motherfucker. I tell you what, that's what I can do. No, this boat doesn't stand a chance. Poof. And in the clouds part again. And Eddie is very confused and scared and hoping

there's no waves around the corner so needs weed now um 1995 he's in another dispute here he's fighting with a councilwoman named renee man man show what did she? They are in a big fight here. Rothman says that Man Show implied that he and others belonged to the Black Shorts surf group made threatening calls to her and her family. Apparently, her district includes the North

Shore, and she voted for the Lehigh Lonnie Project, and Rothman said he doesn't want it. So there's a hearing. Man show noted at one point that she and her family were getting threatening calls because of her committee, her committee vote in favor of this project.

She did not say from whom the hall calls came. Several minutes later, she stated, quote, I'm afraid of Eddie Rothman and others in the black shorts. So there's a deal there. Top of the release listed. Basically, she said her comments were related to testimony given by Rothman the day before. In his testimony, he called on people to join his group in avoiding Oahu with its already polluted places and go enjoy the other islands or places in the world where there's more respect for its lands, oceans and people.

The top of the release listed the names of four members who voted in favor of this project. And among them were her above the names. Rothman explained that the group would be putting the pictures of these council members out. Rothman explained that the group would be putting the pictures of these council members out. And it said in the release, Hawaii council members greet foreign dishonest big money corporations with open arms. It's like a political thing here. So 1997, I found in the paper surfing results. So here's some sports. He is in the grand masters category at the hawaii amateur surfing association

here that's it it's not sponsored by anybody this is we're supposed to know what that is hawaii and hawaii amateur surfing association there's a state championship it's a state championship here um so there's seniors there's this there's that and there's grand masters and i guess he is in second place in the grandmasters. He comes in. Fast Eddie does. David Shabata won it. Won it all.

Took it home. So November 26th, 1999, Fast Eddie is charged with first-degree burglary, kidnapping, and extortion. Oh, those are very heavy charges. He's had a lot of crazy charges against him. The accusation is that he and his two friends barged into a Sunset Beach home Tuesday night and allegedly threatened the resident and his family with death if they didn't turn over their truck to them. Oh.

Yes. The three of the residents that lived there, besides the person they were were after were let outside and told not to interfere with the beating. Oh, uh, in an affidavit, Honolulu police officer keen Canada said he responded to the report of an assault at this home to find a visibly shaken man whose right eye was swollen and bruised. man whose right eye was swollen and bruised. The man said Rothman walked into the house and demanded the title for a truck belonging to the, uh, to the man, uh,

to the man's friend, I guess. Apparently when the man said he didn't have the slip, Rothman invited two other men into the house and all three grabbed the man and tried to pull him outside. He struggled free, but they caught him and beat him again. Oh my God.

Um, Rothman threatened quote, I'm going to kill beat him again. Oh, my God. Rothman threatened, quote, I'm going to kill your sister, your girlfriend and your cousin. Those are the people outside. OK. If sister and girlfriend, that's a lot. If he didn't go get the pink slip, which is fucking crazy. That's wild. Unbelievable.

So Rothman denies it. He says, no, I didn't do any of that stuff. That's crazy. It's just nuts, man. I don't know what these stories about me always. Good Lord. Rothman said, quote, when the story comes out, it should be a doozy. That's what he said. He said, I'm not new to this is also what he said. And then he said, why is my bail so high? He had to post a $300,000 bond for this. Well, it's usually because extortion, kidnapping, those are heavy fucking, that's why. In your history here, they didn't give him no bail because he shows up at court. I mean, as long as you show up at court,

they'll keep giving you bail. They said, a detective explained to me that I'm a high-profile person person and this is a high profile case. Right. March 2000. These charges are dropped. What? The charges are dropped.

They said Jim Fulton, city prosecutor's office, said the reason was insufficient evidence to convict him. Wow. Because all they had was they took the other three people outside so nobody saw the beating. Yeah. Only this guy who's claiming and they said just you saying they beat you isn't enough even though other three people saw them run into your house and then you were bruised up it seems like pretty he ran in there and then i kicked i kicked my own ass fucking ridiculous what why don't they have enough

whatever rothman said he went to the home to talk to the man who let him into the house. He said he went to talk about business matters and what had happened in the past. So, yeah, he said. He kicked the guy's ass. That's what it sounds like to me. I went to go talk about some shit and fix it up. Rothman then said through his lawyer that he was concerned his reputation might be the cause of the fact that he was charged as opposed to a thorough investigation there. So he said he's happy the truth is coming out, though.

It's not really the truth. It's just insufficient evidence. It's not really the truth, but it's something. So he says at this point, a Hollywood producer proposed a movie of his life, which seems like a no brainer. Honestly, he said i said forget about it i don't need anybody making a movie about me i've been on television enough what does that mean i don't know he doesn't want any more attention i guess i've been on the screen enough he's gonna get arrested the more attention he gets i mean it seems like that's the way it

works he does an interview here and just to give you an idea, a sense of who he is here, give you this interview. He is asked, what's your favorite pickup line? He said, that would be, do you want to take advantage of my easy nature? It's not a very good pickup line. Not good at all. They said, what if they shut you down? He said, I'm used to it. I don't cry anymore.

All right. What? Why is that the question? I don't know. Why is that he said is the question i don't know why is that your opener it's your favorite pickup line maybe this idiot asked everybody that is their opener maybe i don't fucking know that's a terrible opener it's gotta be his thing his standard like first question that he has here um he said is the ultimate surfing for all the young surfers on the north shore for the winter and he said, the ultimate for anyone is surfing the North shore in the winter and catching waves and having a good time.

And he said, is it harder nowadays to do? And, uh, uh, Eddie said, yeah, just crossing the street has become a trip.

Am I allowed to use the word fuck in this interview? And the guy says, yeah, sure. And so he says, fuck, fuck, fuck fuck fuck fuck them all it's hard to cross the fucking street what does that mean i don't know it's hard to paddle out with some fucking kook running over running you over or getting in the way local people come home from work and just want to paddle out and catch some waves but some fucking kook from who knows where will be trying to yell him off the wave.

Now we have coaches for rich kids whose parents want them out at pipe and surfing dangerous breaks before they're fucking ready. We have idiot little league surf parents that don't even fucking surf. They just move there. He is so mad. Jesus.

They ask him, do any other sports compare to surfing? He says, well, it's whatever you're into. If you're into snowboarding, skateboarding, or playing football, whatever you're doing is the most important sport for you. As far as comparing them, surfing's a little more difficult to learn at a later age. If you don't grow up learning how to surf, then nobody can really tell you how to do it technically like you can with a snowboard. That makes sense. You kind of need to be on the water from a young age. He said you have to feel it.

Any sport you can learn at a young age is a lot easier. Surfing seems to be a little bit harder because you're not attached to the board unless you toe a board. And that's a different kind of sport altogether. With surfing, you're not attached to your board. The wave is moving and everything's in motion you've got a lot to put together yeah and he says what about surfing pipe and he says which sounds like what about your big cock surf yeah that sounds like uh calling a girl a whore what about surfing pipe well that's my favorite thing he says the pipe is probably the most

dangerous surf spot in the world where somebody dies every year. There are too many kooks out there nowadays that don't even catch any waves and just get in the way. This includes some of the girls who've watched Blue Crush and think the girl is really surfing there. All these girls seeing these Paul Walker movies. Seeing fucking Paul Walker thinking he's out on the beach. Paul Walker's dead, sweetheart. What do you think of that? That's the truth, honey. Paul Walker's dead, sweetheart. That's the truth, honey. Paul Walker's dead and you can't fucking surf.

Those are two truths I know. He calls a Paul Walker movie. That's hilarious. He really calls it right out. He said there are they are clueless body boarders from all over the world that will drop in on people in the barrel which is life-threatening other than that the way to surf pipe is not to surf pipe if you don't know what the fuck you're doing pipe definitely has a pecking order so that must be a real hard one i would say pipe has a pecker order yeah that's true i think that's

pipeline right that's the that's the yeah that's the hard one. They have all the competitions there. And those waves, it's a barrel, man. Those 50-foot waves. Yeah, you get in the middle of it as it's crashing and you're trying to outrun that. It's fucking insane. That's life-threatening as fuck, man. It's insane. If someone gets in your way.

Oh, God. Or the board comes up as you wipe out and whacks you in the fucking face. You're going to drown. Yeah. Or the board comes up as you wipe out and whacks you in the fucking face. You're going to drown. Yeah. So there's also a thing here where he's mad with the city again here.

He's pissed off here. Because apparently there's a contest. He's trying to promote a contest, I guess. Yeah. So he threatens to sue the city because they said that Rothman had video cameras and was upset that the city councilor had not responded properly to his request for information about a grant the city had given a woman's bodyboarding organization. So they're having a public battle about this in the newspapers, which is fucking ridiculous. So, I mean, Jesus Christ, this guy's name carries weight like it sounds like it yeah it carries weight and it also carries fear and it carries a lot of different things and uh it's one of those things where you know i mean it's good if you're

if you're looking to be kind of feared but if you just want to lay low it doesn't work out very well you got to feel bad for the person at that point, but not nearly as bad as you might feel for Eddie Rothman, professor emeritus at the University of Michigan. Eddie Rothman, petroleum geologist consultant in South Charleston, West Virginia. Ed Rothman, founder of Seed of Abraham Messianic Congregation inneapolis minnesota there you go uh eddie rothman chief executive at connie rothman learning trust and um what do we got oh ed rothman eddie rothman independent accounting professional in hampton virginia none of them surfers i couldn't find another eddie rothman who surfed on unfortunately. Was that Ace's name in Casino also?

Was he Rothman? He was Rothman. Yeah, Ace Rothman. There you go. 2008, by this time, Dahoui here, the black shorts, they're a business now. Oh. Now they're a business. They sell shirts.

They have sponsors. They have- Now I'll see. Yeah, by 2008, they're making about $2 million in shirt sales a year. Oh, yeah. They, you know, it's just not a lot. I mean, they're not fucking one of the major surf brands, but they have their shit was sold in 2008 at 19 states and 12 different countries.

Wow. Their shit was sold in. different countries their shit was sold in um that is uh black board shorts no frills logos um which is normally all the floral shit for the surfing and their shit's all black and you know things like that um they said they started this company because local people were getting disrespected outsiders were coming here looking at hawaiians as Aborigines. So now we got board shorts and we're not fucking around. That's not a marketing ploy for this. So they said that these days they once signaled territorial assertion, but now they're sold at Costco.

So a little bit different. Yeah. It's like if the Crips had a fucking do-rag they a blue do-rag they sold at costco it's and one shorts being sold at walmart now that's what it is it's exactly what it is but worse and one was at least started as a company it wasn't started as a fucking street gang basically at costco that's the ultimate full circle. Not even full circle. The ultimate 180, honestly. So that's wild.

They said that the gang or the group used to have to make outsiders aware they were pushing aside the wrong people. And he said, when people see the black shorts now, they know. But now they know it could just be some guy from Costco who bought these and then came over from michigan now they know it's a guy that also buys bulk fucking pretzels it was peanut butter filled and 30 pounds this could be eddie rothman professor from michigan university just went to costco and he got that. He got a giant Caesar salad that's more than anybody could ever eat and that. And a pair of shorts. Oh my God. So they say

that they're still doing their thing. One guy said, quote, we don't just go out in the water and kick people out. That's not what it is. This is a guy Alexander is his name, his last name. He was in Forgetting Sarah Marshall and Blue Crush as well. He was in Blue Crush too.

He was in Blue Crush too. He also did a lavish pictorial for Italian Vogue. And he's also in a bunch of YouTube videos where he and buddies are seen beating the shit out of surfers on the beach. One in particular where he and a buddy are seen beating a blonde out of surfers on the beach one in particular where he and a buddy are seen beating a blonde surfer to a bloody pulp it says he says we're just sticking up for our beliefs and our neighborhood and our families he said uh people ask what's your aloha and he explained the aloha spirit was burned right out of the Hawaiian people. So we don't have it anymore. Burned it out. It's gone.

Gone. So his son, by the way, the, what did we say he was? The god of the sea or some shit? Yeah, father of the sea. Father of the sea. There you go. I don't remember.

His son, though, was a constant feature on North Shore. He grew up there. He's always there. He says that his mother's home and her family's home stretch back forever. He said, my family has been here forever. I'm 10th or 11th generation from here. Oh, Father of the Sea.

Rothman is? Rothman, yeah. His mother is very much there. Chicken of the Sea Rothman is Hawaiian fucking through and through, through and through Mr. Rothman. So, uh, he's like,

I passed the matzo soup. Let's go. Is this pineapple? One of his first memories is riding a boogie board with his father. He says, yeah, my dad would explain it all. He would do a turn and tell me we're doing a turn now,

or he'd do a cutback and say, this is a cutback. But most importantly, dad would explain it all. He would do a turn and tell me we're doing a turn now or he'd do a cutback and say this is a cutback. But most importantly, he would explain the barrel. He'd get in the tube at V-Land or wherever and say, look around. We're in the tube now. We're getting barreled. He said this was when he was four years old. Sick. He said he started surfing by himself at five.

So he would just take him on the board and do that. He would put that kid on the front of the boogie board yes and go into a barrel of a wave at four at four he'd take him in and be like i got this christ so um he said at five he said eddie had just gotten out of jail after fighting the drug distribution charge there and he says it all happened so quick when my dad got out of jail he got me straight in the water and i think my first surf contest was when I was five. He said, so he's been doing that forever. And they said, what's the – he eventually conquered Pipeline. And he said, Pipeline, though, was never really conquered.

He said, Pipeline, I didn't really get comfortable at Pipeline until about four years ago. Backdoor was easier. Well, yeah, obviously. I mean, if it's slick enough, sure. But otherwise, I think Pipeline's going to be an easier fit. That pipe wasn't wet enough. Yeah, well, I mean, backdoor is never wet. That's the problem.

It's always dry. Oh, man. Who do you think they are, professional football with all this sexual innuendo god there's so much so he's also got a son named lono who is 15 lono is a hawaiian thing that i i haven't read it in like 15 years but i have the book the curse of lono by hunter thompson and it's takes place in hawaii and i remember the what lono is it's a specific thing and i can't fucking remember it now because i read it so long ago anyway 2015 eddie's pissed oh eddie's really pissed he does an interview he's pissed off you know he's pissed

off at jimmy the tourists no who else you think he could be mad at? A congressman? No. What about a senator? No. No. No. Who's he mad at, James? Monsanto. What? He's mad.

The chemical company is poisoning Hawaii? Super pissed off at Monsanto. Yeah. He says to a guy trying to interview him about surfing, he says, if you want to tell a fucking important story, then tell this one. Monsanto. Those fuckers are here. They have all these experimental farms right over the hill and are poisoning the land and poisoning the people. Write that shit.

Yeah. So, yeah. He told the guy to. Pineapple has DDT in it. That's it. He said, these are greedy fucks. They don't care about anything but making money and they're doing it all right here on Oahu and all over the islands, threatening farmers, closing the local people down, closing farmers markets.

You know, if some of their GMO seed blows on someone's land, then they own it. They are controlling our politicians, too. Laws to label food as GMO have come into our Congress, but they get shut down. They're taking over the land just like in the past. Yeah. He goes on to say that he's going to going over a list of being wronged in the past. The Hawaiians, he said the early explorers brought diseases to the islands. The Mormons brought Mormonism. Yeah, he literally those are the two he brought up in a row the sugar barons overthrowing the hawaiian monarchy and enslaving the people foreign surfers coming and stealing

the waves not that's incongruous i i there's no you can't say diseases forced religion people throwing over the monarchy enslaving people and then go to surfers stealing my waves brah throwing over the monarchy, enslaving people, and then go to surfers stealing my waves, brah. Taking our waves. Fucking hang loose. No, that's not a, you can't do that. That's not the same thing. You're from fucking Philly, bro.

Yeah, like what the fuck, man. You're not Hawaiian. God, he said, methamphetamine epidemic now engulfing the islands. He said, and now they are fucking with our food and they're fucking with every with the very root of who we are as people it's the worst thing they could be doing greedy fucking fucks for what for money money does strange things to people fuck them he said um they they got all these research research farms right over the hill from my house. We're having a march against Monsanto in, I'm not going to pronounce that, tomorrow.

Okay. He says that the next day they drive around and they pass the Dole Plantation, which is now a tourist trap where they grow like five pineapples for show. Yeah. There's nothing really there. The pineapples are now grown in Costa Rica because it's cheaper thank you so that's that's where they grow them um so yeah pineapple and sugarcane fields are deserted and they said um you know the agribusinesses that once were there are not really there anymore and it's all beach that's what that's that's what you sell that's it um he also says he farms eddie. He's a farmer now. Yeah.

He brought a guy in and he said, this is my farm. And he said he wants to be a farmer. He said he wants to sit on the opposite side of where Monsanto is, man. That's what he says. He says that he spends long days moving giant rocks by hand because if he used tractors, he would fuck up all the water hoses we have. He tends to use crops and digs holes for water purification systems by hand, he says. Oh.

He says, quote, I've seen them do it this way in Samoa. They use their hands and their feet like this. And then he climbs down into an unfinished hole and starts to claw at the earth. Jesus. Yeah, Jesus Christ. We made machines so you don't have to do that. Or a shovel? I don't know. You don't need your hand. A fucking fork would be

better than this. A spoon, man. Yeah, Jesus Christ. A clamshell something. This is crazy. Break a coconut. Yeah, fuck, man. He digs his own wells installs solar panels and feeds his chickens and ducks he um yeah they talk about this uh he talks about also the curse of pele not the soccer player i don't think the legend that anything taken from the hawaiian islands will bring bad luck to the taker. The Brady Bunch theory. Right. Yeah, you can't take that little thing.

The old Goonies thing. A spider will bite Greg, yeah. Right. So, yeah, they're talking about that. So they say anything that they take, all this bullshit. Anyway, here's a poem that somebody wrote about him. It's not really a poem. It's really just doesn't rhyme.

I don't know anything about poetry. I'm sure it's still a poem. But this guy, who wrote this? This is a book called Welcome to Paradise, Now Go to Hell. Okay. Here's a lay, now fuck off. Theoretically, Eddie Rothman is nothing to fear. 63 years old.

Now he's over 70, but when this was written. And 5'5", or 5'7", if generous. 5'6", if honest. That sounds familiar. You're 5'8", if generous. 5'7", if honest, I believe. There it goes there.

He said he could be a grandpa or a retiree, but he is not. He is roping muscle. His arms, usually bare, are perpetually flexed. His chest, puffed out like a gorilla, vibrates aggression. His expression rarely changes. It is

stone, and his features are stone, too. A pug nose, broken more than once. A jaw that would be impossible to break, even with a lead baton. He shaves his gray hair down to a fine stubble, and the braided rat tail that he once sported is gone. Thank God.

Can't be a 70-year-old man with a rat tail. We're going to talk about his salt and pepper. Jesus Christ. Salt and pepper rat tail. No one wants to hear about that. The neck that holds that head up is thick as a tree. His eyes, when not covered

behind wraparound sunglasses, are dull and probing at the same time. He looks through you very slowly. He looks into you. The reality of Eddie Rothman lives up to the whispers.

He's no ordinary little man from Nebraska like the Wizard of Oz, hiding behind a disembodied, booming voice. He is a flesh-and-blood reckoning. So, there he is. He's about 73 years old right now a tiny dog bounty hunter bald yep still doing his thing still

kicking can't get enough of it well they have their own tournament that uh who we backdoor shootout good god that just that's amazing backdoor shootout that's that's amazing. Backdoor shootout. That's me when I have eggs. You just had a backdoor shootout from when you told me. I did. Dahui backdoor shootout pipeline. That's what it says. Yeah.

Which is it? It's a pipeline. There you go. So they're going to have that. And the next day, they're going to have a cleanup of the beach after they do that. So there you go. You can probably find him there i assume hanging out wow either way that is fast eddie rothman and there is a surfing story because we needed one more man fucking john gaudy this guy is this is what oh i'm sorry excuse me popeye superman or the devil that's who he is i apologize so beaten tourists and cases all equally man tourist cases federal agents don't matter fast eddie so if you like that story i don't know tell

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what we're going to discuss is we're going to get into Len Bias, who imagine if LeBron James, highly touted, hands down number one overall draft pick. Imagine if after all that hype, he got drafted, and the night he is drafted, he died of a cocaine overdose heart attack. Celebrated hard. Imagine what kind of story that would be. That's Len Bias' story that happened in 1986, and people of the later generation didn't even know that.

But when we were little kids, that's what they used to tell us. When we were little, little, they'd be, if you do, oh, Len Bias, look at him, Len Bias. You'd be like, oh, shit, Len Bias can dunk. I can't dunk. If it can kill him, it'll fuck me up. So that was a big deal. So we'll talk about him. And then for Small Town Murder, we're going to talk about the difference between Netflix Dahmer case and real Dahmer case and what they did wrong, what they did right.

They did such a good job cinematically that it was – I don't want that to become the record of exactly what happened. People are going to buy it. It isn't. Yeah. That's how – they're like, man, that Niecy Nash really did a lot for that. It's like that woman did not fucking exist. Her name existed, but she wasn't that person. They mashed – tons of times mashing two people together. that is like that woman did not fucking exist her name existed but she wasn't that person they

mashed tons of times mashing two people together we'll talk all about her all the differences here uh that is patreon.com slash crime and sports and you'll get a shout out you betcha when are you gonna get a shout out right fucking now jimmy why don't you give us a list of the most wonderful people in the world who wouldn't mind at all if we surfed whatever wave we felt like surfing. Hit me with them now. This week's executive producers are Franny Hitsky in Australia, Jordan Bennett in Canada, Lisa Yuknavich, Yuknavich, Yuknavich. Nice.

Nicely done. She's a wonderful woman. Thank you. And Gundel. Happy birthday, Gundel. I think it's Gundel. Gundel? Gundel?

I think it's Gundel. I don't know. Gundel? Happy birthday, goddamn. Happy birthday. birthday gundel i think it's gundel gundel gundel i think it's gundel i don't know gundal happy birthday god damn happy birthday uh other producers this week are beautiful mother jefferson the limo driver asking rocky for the plate number of the truck that ran over his face liz vasquez peyton meadows the guy who looks like bubbles from the wire uh by uh barry myron and ira and also all of the Fartstein family. Oh, the wonderful Fartsteins.

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