Crime in Sports - #34 - Money, Fame & Dead Ballerinas - The Tirelessness of Carlos Monzon

Episode Date: September 20, 2016

This week, we take a gander at a champion, movie star, hero to millions in his country... And violent lunatic. He went from utter poverty, to reaching god-like status, with his violence going unchecked. No one was safe from his wrath, including photographers at Christmas parties, people who want nothing more than to eat pizza, fellow bus passengers, construction workers who try to negotiate the price of a car, and most of all his wives. His constant abuse eventually got him shot, and one of his wives dead. He's a real peach of guy, and we have a blast taking apart his twisted, tragic mess of a life. This man epitomizes what Crime In Sports is all about. Jump into your trunks, smoke 5 packs of cigarettes, and punch the nearest human being with Carlos Monzon!! Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Tuesday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Crime in Sports!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Small Town Murder Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/crimeinsportsInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] on Patreon: patreon.com/crimeinsportsPayPal: paypal.me/crimeinsports See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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strange, dark, and mysterious stories on Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, and welcome back to Crime and Sports. Yay! Yay, yay, yay. My name is James Petragallo. I'm here with my co-host. I am the very tired Jimmy Wisman. The very tired Jimmy Wisman.

We're both beat long weekends, but we're here and we are pumped. We could not be happier to be here because, God, do we have a wild story. I had the longest weekend. Friday night. Friday I took a day and drove to San Diego. I did two shows at the Comedy Palace and I did the fucking U-turn.

I drove from here all the way there. This is Phoenix, Arizona. It's about six hours away. Did two shows and then packed my shit up and drove right, I didn't even, I didn't get a hotel room. I just drove home. That's crazy. Long weekends. I haven't caught up yet so I'm trying. It doesn't matter.

This will give you life and energy, Jimmy. Like everybody else out there listening, this is going to uplift you into another world when you hear about this young man here that we have to discuss tonight. Because the world doesn't make any sense right now. Oh, this? It's a fucking, this world is a disaster. Listen, Penn State went ahead and honored Joe Paterno. Yeah, that's. This world doesn't make any...

He's pushing forward. We're going. Remember when he was great? We were champions. Remember? Remember when Blair Thomas had 1,200 yards? Anybody remember that? We were champions.

No, that's a mess. Some buttholes got violated, but he was great at one point. What a disaster Penn State is. But we have somebody... We'll discuss that at another time. Today, we have somebody that's going to set the world straight for you, Jimmy. Let me tell you something. Put some order in this universe.

He'll put some order in things. Everything will make sense once you hear about this gentleman here. Before we do that, I do want to just say thank you to everybody for the iTunes reviews this week. Can't thank you enough for that. That is the best thing you can do for us. Can I tell you, not just that it's the best thing you can do for this podcast and for the helping and lending a hand to making this podcast more successful, what you do for my ego and for my validation as a person.

Let's give them reasons to review, not to review. Jimmy walking arounder a swollen fucking right we don't want that right so but that's okay we'll live with it i have to live with it you guys just it's fine but i'll listen to jimmy be excited about the reviews it's fine but yeah please give us five do you want to hear one no we'll do it at the end okay shout outs and everything at the end we got we got so much to get to with this story it was so flattering it helps us so much these. Really drives us up the charts. We got a lot of new listeners this last couple weeks, and that's part of it.

We get up in the rankings, people see us, and then they listen more. And a huge number this week. And it's good stuff. It was crazy how many people listened. We're psyched about it. We're very psyched. And we hope that everyone is buckled up. New listeners, this is a great one to ease you into,

because this is what crime and sports ease you into because this is what crime and sports is all about. This is why we do this. This man... This is why we play on Sunday. This man is pure hubris.

Somebody hit somebody. Pure hubris. He's made of hubris. He lives in a hubris house. He is a lunatic. I can't wait. It's a perfect blend. It's got some 60s

70s style to it mixed with just you know all time insanity so it doesn't matter what decade it's great guys it's Carlos Monzon

Carlos Roque Roque I guess we'll call him Roque I don't know how you want to say that R-O-Q-U-E I don't know how that's pronounced Monzon

doesn't matter Carlos Monzon maybe Roque it would fit him it fits it. Carlos Monzon. Maybe. Roque. Roque. It would fit him. It fits. It fits. Carlos Monzon, he's a professional boxer, of course, but that's only a small, small part

of it. Because he's also a professional insane person. We'll get to that. He was born August 7th, 1942. Oh. So he's an older Gentian. He's an old man. He's from San Javier, Argentina. All right. That's where he hails from. Dirt poor. Oh. So he's an older Gentian. He's an old man. He's from San Javier, Argentina.

That's where he hails from. Dirt poor. Yeah. Dirt poor. I can't imagine. It's odd. We've never covered a boxer where we're like, you know, well, you know, his father was a senator. That's never happened. You know what I mean? It's always like Cinderella

Man. They've got to struggle their ass off to get to where they are. The new Creed movie. That's why you don't see actual heavyweight champion sons being heavyweight champions. Because why the hell would you let somebody beat you in the head if you had money? Why would you fight if you've got an opportunity and an option somewhere else? It's ridiculous. And like a lot of our athletes, intensely poor individuals.

Terrific. And this Argentina, rest of the world here, you know, US, UK, Ireland, Australia, Sweden, New Zealand, all of our top Canada, this is really poor. This isn't like our version of poor, where we're like, oh, look at that guy. This is like Bruno de Sousa, Favela, fucking feed your girlfriend to a dog poor.

This is hardcore shit here. You get beans and rice for dinner because there's no chimichangas. There's no tacos. This is having 12 siblings poor. Nice. Now, there's conflicting reports that I know he was the fifth child. So they say he grew up with the four, but then everybody says he has 12. So we'll say that there's seven more after him.

Right. And this isn't Mormon big family. This is, fuck, another one big family. We don't have birth control. Right. We're fucking anyway. I had a long day. I'm very drunk.

Sit on this. Let's get it on. That kind of big family. So he's a highly educated individual. Really? He went to school up until about the mid-third grade. So we're talking highly educated. That's higher learning, man.

That's higher learning about the third grade. So he's like eight years old. He's like, I've had enough. He's the problem solver. I'll solve the problems. I think I know what I need to know. Third grade. Sly Williams, that's a reference to.

My kid's in third grade right now. He's a dumb shit. Yeah, tell him to drop out of school and go get a few jobs. Because that's what old Carlos did. Support this family, boy. That's what he did. He went out to support. He had to support.

He had younger brothers and sisters to support now. Unbelievable. There's a bunch more in his parents and God knows how many more they spit out by the time he's in the third grade

for Christ's sake. He sold newspapers, shine shoes, you know, regular. Typical 40s work. Like street urchin shit, basically. Total street urchin shit.

Stole apples. Very Charles Dickens right here, you know. He delivered milk. He's a Spanish Charles Dickens. He is. He's an indigenous Argentinian. That's another thing, too. He's a part of the indigenous people of Argentina,

which makes the upper crust not like him very much later on. He knows how to carve shit out of wood in the third grade already. On the walls. He knows how to make make like a a mountainside uh fortress you can do that you can carve that out and have that stand for eternity he delivered milk like i said he worked in like a meat a meat plant like just hauling meat around as a teenager i mean he did everything he possibly could so he's punching sides of beef and shit for training absolutely and he's punching a lot of things because there's a

whole lot of early troubles that we only know blips of because you know if he wasn't he's like an amateur boxer is they're not it's not in the paper that this guy is there so it's very hard it's just based on we know that he you know it's records but it's not it's very difficult to pinpoint oh i'm early 60s argentinian criminal records. I can't imagine they keep many records around. God damn it, I tried, Jimmy. Let me tell you something. I tried. He did some jail time in his late teens for inciting a soccer riot in a stadium.

He apparently started a soccer riot, and there was a soccer riot. Terrific. He's right in the middle of it. If there's a fight, this guy is there. He's throwing blows. Oh, he's throwing blows. He's enjoying it. He got jail time for participating in a big brawl on a bus at this point, too.

There's nowhere to go. No, he's just fighting people on buses now. And it's brawls. Everything he's involved in is hardly ever any one-on-one unless it's with a woman. And it's just brawls. Or in the ring. That's a fear of mine mine is fighting in a closed space because there is

nowhere to get out of that. Don't get on the bus with Carlos Monzo. Let me tell you something. He will pin you and beat the shit out of you. He absolutely will. 1958.

Wow, think about that. 1958. That's, you know, wow, what a different time this is. But he meets Zulima Torres in 1958 at age 16

and they have a son. Wow. Obviously. At 16 years old, he's having kids. He's delivering sides of beef and milk and, you know. Third grade educated. He's doing a lot of things here. It's the 50s.

He probably had a nice greaser cut. Yeah. He's walking around with Olivia Newton-John. He's doing fine. Some chopped up car with. He's doing great. Fucking white walls and black wheels. It's a hard worker yeah

actually that's at 86 the car idea because he was riding the bus we know yeah yeah that's a good point yeah the bus is probably chopped up with white walls absolutely he's black he probably had it done yeah intentionally so their son is carlos alberto monzone you gotta make it after yourself so he can be a criminal that kid's gonna be fucked up you want to have that now also at this time before he gets into boxing and kind of right when he starts boxing he uh was known to also run prostitutes around town and pimp girls he was pimping he was pimping this is like at like 18 he's pimping so this is a very young pimping he's taking these girls pimping them around to the the point where he had so much attention from the police that he had to flee to Brazil for a while to let the heat die down. That's where it started roughing up Brogdon.

He's pimping too much. Yeah. I mean, he has no, I mean, God knows what his father, I mean, we're talking the 40s in Argentina, for Christ's sake. He doesn't know. Yeah. He has no guidance. He has nobody to model his life after. He's just struggling and hustling to live.

And as we'll find out later on, up until the 80s, it was perfectly fine to beat your wife in Argentina. Like, societally, that was like, well, yeah, you smack your wife around a little bit. In fairness, in America it was, too. That's probably true. But there was lip service to it.

There they were just like, of course he beats you up. That means he's paying attention. Whereas at least here it was like, now you shouldn't do that, wink, wink. You know what I mean? People were still. Unless you're a politician and you keep it under wraps. Yeah.

So he comes back to Santa Fe, where he's living now, because he moved there when he was six, to Santa Fe from San Javier, Santa Fe where he's living now because he moved there when he was six to Santa Fe from San Javier and begins boxing

in what's called quote loosely organized backstreet bouts. So that sounds safe. Yeah. I mean these are probably guys I'm sure there's a doctor

on there. They're all crushed up glass on their gloves and punching each other. This sounds I want to watch these fights. This is like bum fights with skill.

You know there's money being thrown around batting. It's probably great. It's a good time. That's a hell of a... Human cock fight. Yeah, that's a hell of a... That's exactly what it is.

It's a human cock fight. That's a hell of a Friday night. I mean, and then from this, he worked his way kind of through the amateur ranks. At this point, when he's done fighting his amateur career, he has 87 amateur fights. This guy fights a lot. How do you survive 80? We hear how many pro fights he has

too. This guy has a lot of mileage on the tires, or the brain in this case. He might have a little frontal lobe damage. A little bit. He has 87 amateur fights. He wins 73 of them. That's pretty impressive. He's pretty decent. He's pretty good. A lot of these guys are just

bums or whatever, but it's amateur. Who the hell knows what the equipment was's pretty impressive. He's pretty decent. Yeah, he's pretty good. I mean, a lot of these guys are just bums or whatever, but it's amateur. Who the hell knows what the equipment was and anything else. He meets Emile Carb. His first fight, too, by the way,

he won his first fight. I'm sorry, his first fight's a draw in 1959, his first amateur fight. So his first amateur fight and they say even. Even, draw.

He had a lot of draws in his career. Draws were more common back then. I think the judges were more apt to go. No, I think they were more apt to call the draw because that's what the fix was, I think. Oh, I got you.

I mean, boxing back then in organized countries, in America, in UK, it was a little shady. It's been shady. It's shady now. Right. You know what I mean? Then it was like, holy shit. It was not shady it was foggy

but you've got to have another option other than this boxer or that boxer it's like that it's like that green square the two green squares on the roulette wheel

those are the draws that's a bet and yeah maybe that also too maybe that pushes and everybody's I don't know how that works

but we'll see gamblers I have no fucking idea don't even correct me because I don't give a shit either so moving on no need to even bother you't even correct me because I don't give a shit either. So moving on. No need to even bother. You're not getting my money anyway.

Don't care. So he meets Emil Carr Brusa at this point, and this is his silver-haired, middle-aged Argentinian man. This is the man. This is his man here. He sticks up for him for the rest of his life. Really? And beyond, we'll say.

Emil Carr, he would become, Mr. Brusa here would become his trainer. He's a boxing trainer, kind of manager-ish type deal. His father figure, his big brother, this is his guy. This is the guy that's educated past third grade. Possibly, at least in boxing he was. And when you hear his quotes, he sounds semi-educated too. He sounds like he knows what he's doing.

I don't know what the education system was like in Argentina, but whatever. I'm going to what the education system was like in Argentina, but whatever. I'm going to go with not great. Probably not. He comes to Bruce, maybe this guy went to school through the

fifth grade. We'll see. Comes to Bruce telling him that someone had just stolen a percentage of his last fight money, the guy who was

handling it. And he told Bruce that I know you don't steal, so I'm coming to you. Oh, that's nice. Basically just said, I don't know anything

about you except that I hear you're honest. I'm good with that. I trust you. At least that that's gonna work for me for now i just want that um now may 11th 1962 he marries his sweetheart here this isn't the first girl they're done he's got his kid with her he's got a child he goes through the horses or whatever it is they were never married i think they were married that because he's married and then partially kind of married to a couple other people. Like, he has a wife later on that they marry in Miami, but then it's never, like, concreted in Argentina. So it's, like, gray whether they're really married or not.

It's really weird. And he does this a couple times. The Argentinian divorce laws were really, really difficult back then. So that was part of it. It's a very Catholic area, am I right? Yeah, I don't think divorce, like easy divorce, just civil divorce, was legal until the late 80s, I want to say. So that tells you a lot. They're very religious.

It's a very Catholic country, yeah, I believe. Yeah, I think that's true. I'm pretty sure that's true. So he meets Beatriz Garza, or Garcia. Beatriz Garcia, her nickname is Pelusa, which means fluff. Fluff? Fluffs. I don't know if she's a little chunky.

How do you spell Pelusa? P-E-L-U-S-A. Okay. In Italian, I know, just because I perform with Jesse, Peluso means hairy. It means fat hairy, I believe. Well, fluff. Right.

So hairy. It's probably a similar thing. These two have quite the volatile relationship. Awesome. Every relationship he has from now on, let's not even bother to say it's volatile, because it's volatile. Every relationship he has is volatile. This one especially, though, is the one.

Boy, this is a good one. They get into some shit here in a minute that we'll get into. I can't wait to hear it. They have three more kids, obviously, because you've got to pump out some kids if you're in a crazy, volatile relationship. It's when you fight like,

yeah, that fight, that passion, that fuck you, I'm going to fuck you, leads to good fucking every time. Not his passion.

His passion usually leads to like some gauze, you know, maybe some sparring. But right after that, when you're licking your wounds together. When she comes back

from the hospital, maybe then they get in. Sorry, baby. I'm so sorry i'm gonna put a baby in you oh god so they have three kids sylvia abel and another carlos but this one's adopted though half the people in argentina are named carlos i've done from from researching this story by the way good christ with the google translate this was a fucking this one was a bitch to dig into. Finding Argentinian newspapers that are like photocopied in. You can't translate those.

Those don't get translated. So I have to find some American, you know, take off of that. Some like basically an AP article kind of that they picked up from Argentina about some fucking boxer. Wasn't easy, Jimmy.

Let me tell you. I can imagine. This is a tough one. So they're mostly named Carlos. Everyone's named Carlos. This is a tough one. So they're mostly named Carlos. Everyone's named Carlos. Which is a huge shocker, obviously. It's all named Carlos. I'm sure I could have guessed.

If you would have said name the top name, three chances I'm hitting Carlos. I guarantee it. It's going to be correct, correct, and correct on all three accounts. Now, he turns pro at age 20 in 1963. His first fight, February 6th, 1963, in the Club Sportivo Ben-Her. I don't know why Ben-Her is in there. Rafaela Santa Fe, Argentina. I just wanted to get the whole thing in there. That's a fucking mouthful.

That's a mouthful. It's in Santa Fe. It's his hometown. It's his hometown little boxing club. Carlos loves Santa Fe. He knocks out Ramon Montenegro in the second round. Wow. In his first fight.

His nickname is Esco-Pita, which means shotgun. Oh. So he's the shotgun. I like that word, too. Esco-Pita. Yeah, it's a cool name. Esco-Pita.

That's our Pita, whatever. It sounds fucking cool, though. Yeah. And we'll find out how cool he is later, too, because he was a cool guy for a while, besides his wife beating,

which anytime we say this is pretty cool, just take the disclaimer of minus the wife beating and he's an asshole. Yeah. We get it. We know.

He's a complete scumbag and we'll get into that also here. Carlos. Has his second fight as, this is a weird one, March 13th, 1963.

He starts fighting once a month now. Really? I mean, he is burning him out. He needs money. That's cash. A few bucks here,

a few bucks there. Keeps him from pimping. When he was a kid fighting in the back street bouts there, they were paying him like 50 pesos a pop, and that was like something. He was excited. This second one's for Albino Varan, and it's a no contest.

Albino? Albino, Albino, whatever. Oh, so it's... Albino. That's wild. Albino. It's Albino. It's like Albino.

No contest on this one. I don't know what happened i don't know if uh an alien came down and everybody quit the electricity went out yeah i have no rolling blackout i don't know what the fuck happened there is no record of this small time exactly no video of exactly what happened this small time 1963 argentinian boxing i'd love to see it yeah uh. Now, August 28, 1963. This is, you know, six months later, not even, five months later. This is already his ninth fight now. He's had fights more than once a month. Wow.

He is 7-0 with the 1-0 contest, which just doesn't count as anything. He's 7-0. He loses a 10-round decision to Antonio Aguilar. This is in Luna Park in Buenos Aires. So now he's 7-0. He loses a 10-round decision to Antonio Aguilar. This is in Luna Park in Buenos Aires. So now he's 7-1. Now he's 7-1, and he will avenge that. He'll fight Aguilar, I believe, five times in his career and beat the shit out of him four times.

Just because of this. And lose this one. Carlos is pissed. Later on, too, like 10 years later, he still says, I was robbed in that fight, and I kicked his ass, and I'd still beat him, and blah, blah, blah. It's a decision. And back then, if you went to the judges, it who fucking knows it could be this guy could be his uncle you have no idea what happened um June 28th 1964 comes in at 11 and one

he loses an eight round decision to a Brazilian named Felipe Cambiero in Rio de Janeiro now he's 11 and two so he's not. So he's not Mike Tyson. He's not setting the world aflame coming out the gate here. I mean, 7-0, he started pretty solid. Solid, okay. And now he's got... Because early on they set you up with fights you should win. That's a good point.

So he should be winning these. Carlos Monzon gets cupcakes at the beginning. Yeah. October 9th, 1964, he's coming in at 16-2. So he's got a few more fights. Loses a unanimous 10-round decision to Alberto Masi

at the Cordoba Sport Club in Cordoba, and this is another guy he'll fight like four or five times. Jesus. You beat him, he's going to fight you

until he just... He'll find you. He will find you, just fight you every six months until you retire. That's it. He's going to beat you every six months.

Now he's 16-3. Okay, so I mean, this is not, like I said, setting the world ablaze here. Boxing journalist. We're going to hear a lot from him. Carlos Arusta. So I'm just going to say Arusta from now on because we're going to hear all shitload of quotes from him. He's another guy that's like, he's a boxing, a very respected boxing journalist down there.

And he followed Monzone from the early days. He's good friends with uh he's good friends with emil carr over here so okay he's friends with his trainer so they you know they all know each other he says of his early career quote he was a very polite guy but he didn't talk much he wasn't charismatic at that stage monzone was just another boxer he didn't give you the impression that he would go on to reach the heights that he did he He's just basically like, meh. He's just average. Just kind of an average guy. Now, Monzone, on losing, there's a first in their own words of the episode here.

In their own words on his opinion on losing anything, he says, quote, I do not like to ever lose, even when I am playing marbles. Oh, my goodness. He's very, very competitive. Yeah, marbles, for fuck's sake, man. He doesn't like marbles or arguing with a woman, anything like that. He doesn't want to lose shit. So from 1964 on, he will never lose another fight.

Really? This is it. Never going to lose another fight. He just figured out, I'm going to treat boxing like marbles. I'm never losing. I'm not losing. He has nine draws over the thing, but that's fine. Draws happen all the time, but no losses.

He avenges all losses. Like I said, he fights Masi five times. He's just going to hunt your ass down. Comes back to Aguilar a bunch. Absolutely. And he wins every one of them. He wins every one unless it's a draw, which is fine. Draws happen.

And his style is so weird because he's not a guy like Tyson or like a Hagler or a Hearns. He's got a power punch. Like, oh, shit, that's, oh, he's nasty, you've got to watch out for this. Or he's super quick, watch out for that. Or he'll take your head off with the hook. None of that. He's just like, he's not the fastest guy, not the biggest guy, not the hardest hitter. He just wears you out?

He doesn't do anything particularly well, but doesn't do anything particularly badly either. He's just this balanced fighter that basically wills you to beating you that's it he just it's his will it's all will you can see in this fight still i watched a bunch of forces he just enforces his will and he's a he's a lanky guy too okay there's been conflicting reports here and it's it's from newspapers too some say he's six foot one and a half and some say he's 5 11 and a half he's a middleweight fighting at 160, so if he's 6'1.5", that's a long-length middleweight, which is good. 5'11.5 is still pretty decent, but he's got very... Probably about 6'.

He's got a real good reach on him, and he's got a nasty right hand also, but it's not... Still pretty big. It's still pretty big. He's not toned. He's not like a ripped guy. He's just kind of this guy. It's really weird. He's like a long kind of...

Like a bricklayer that... Yeah, kind of weird. He's just kind of this guy. It's really weird. He's like a long kind of... Like a bricklayer? Yeah, kind of weird. He's like taffy. It's a weird guy, man. So 1965, he's convicted of assault at this point for another brawl that happens. Surprise, surprise. Sketchy details.

He serves, I think, a month in jail or something over it. Clearly at fault. Yeah, some random assault, and we're buying that completely. Now, September 3rd, 1966, in Estadita Luna Park, again in Buenos Aires, comes in at 29-3-6. So he beats Jorge Fernandez in a unanimous 12-round decision for the Argentina middleweight title.

Now he's on his way. Now he's a champ. Now he's a champ. Still nobody knows who the hell he is. It's not a world title. But he's got himself a title. But he's got himself a title. He's on his way. Now he's a champ. Now he's a champ. Still nobody knows who the hell he is. It's not a world title. But he's got himself a title. But he's got himself a title. He's on his way.

Now, Burt Sugar wrote of him. Burt Sugar, if you guys don't know, is a famous boxing... He's an old-time boxing journalist. He wears the kind of fedora hat. You see him, you go, it looks like he should have a cigar in his mouth. A square-top hat with a long, wide brim. He knows his box.

He's an old boxer. You look at him and go, oh, he hangs out next to boxing rings. He knows his body. He's an old boxer. You look at him and go, oh, he hangs out next to boxing rings. Yeah. And, you know, he knows what the spit bucket smells like really well.

Oh, Jesus. You know? He says, quote, Carlos Monzon was hardly the off the rack. He smells like this. He knows, man. It smells, man.

If you've never smelled, you know if you've smelled it. A spit, that sounds terrible. You don't know what the fucking spit bucket, it's bad if you've ever had one in a, not going to. Okay, go on.

It's funky, man. It's got blood in it and shit it's gross dude and it just sits and festers and nobody like empties it for 12 rounds people 12 rounds do a shit for two weeks that spit bucket's getting half full you might want to empty oh my god yeah i've seen some nasty shit so okay continuing here carlos monzone was hardly the off the rack pug with a nose you could hang your hat on instead he had the reserved looks of a matinee idol one with delicately marked brows an unmarked face and a remarkable body that could serve as a model for hollywood beefcake pictures and he fought the same way with a coolness that could

that could no more be melted than ice welded his style style crosses between aggressive caution and cautious aggression, with a long right hand thrown in for good measure. That is beautifully homosexual. He said everything except with a long cock thrown in for good measure. The long right was like with a long cock thrown in, with a beautiful veiny cock thrown in for good measure. A big, beautiful, throbbing, veiny, unbelievable specimen of a cock.

That was a love letter. Yeah. That's a love letter of a man. He's such a great writer, though. Oh, he's a great writer. That was a love letter. Yeah. That's a love letter of a man. He's such a great writer, though. Oh, he's a great writer. That's so eloquent. It is. But it comes off so fucking easy.

It's like, it's a gay penthouse letter. He's so attracted to him. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He loves him to death. It's a gay Craigslist misconnections. That was incredibly well written, though. It really was. That's impressive.

For, like like that sort of normally when it's some sort of you know and this is any sexuality just love letter of any kind when there's clearly lust in his heart you wouldn't imagine he'd be so eloquent when clearly you know what he wants. You know what he's after Jimmy.

He just refuses to say it because in the 50s that shit was looked down upon Absolutely. In Catholic fucking... Jesus Christ. Okay, go. June 10th, 1967. We're back to Luna Park, Buenos Aires.

Comes in at 43-7. So 40 wins, 3 losses, 7 draws. With a bulbous ass. With a big old swollen ass from Burt Sugar doing God knows what to it. He beats old Jorge Fernandez again here in a 12-round unanimous decision for the South American middleweight title. So now it's a continent. Started with a country, now he's moving on to a continent.

He's got the whole damn thing. Things are going well. They're going fine. Christmas 1967 comes around. Things are going so well. He's at a nice family party there, and there's a photographer at the family party named Daniel Moreno.

And Carlos does not like this young man moreno first earlier in the night he slaps him around a little bit holy shit his little paint brushing dave meggett style and then later on he punches him also in the night he punches for nothing whatever the reason was taking his picture he has a real history with paparazzi there's like it's one of those things where I'm going to say, you know, he gets arrested three, four times for hospitalizing paparazzi.

Wow. Nothing ever comes of those a lot. They're settled out of court. Gotcha. He makes it go away. But this guy, he's arrested.

This guy's pressing charges and he will stand at a family gathering. He'll stand trial for assault. He's going to have to stand trial for assault. He's like a Spanish

white trash guy. And he sues him civilly and wins that, too. Wow. So he was clearly at fault. Oh, he's at fault. There's no defense. He's a professional fighter. Being a photographer at a family Christmas party.

Probably knocked the eggnog out of his hand. Smacked it out of his hand and started punching the shit out of him. In one of those moose cuffs. Yeah. You know he did. And then he knocked him out. And the moose cuff went flying. One of his ears broke off.

Can't hold it by that anymore. Hell yeah. Can't hold hot liquids in it now because you have to hold it by the cup. So we get to 1970. And things are going well for Carlos, continuing to kick ass in the ring. And he gets to be a number 10 contender, which brings him up for a title fight. So now he gets a title fight. He's going to be fighting Nino Benvenuti, which is the most Italian man

I've ever heard of in my life. Nino. He might as well have a Mario mustache and an organ grinder and a fucking monkey jumping around. Because that's the most

ridiculous fucking Italian name ever. And my name's Petra Gallo. So he's going to fight him in Rome for the title. No one gives Manzone a chance here at all. Really? Oh, no.

Benvenuti heavily favored. No one knows who the fuck chance here at all. Really? Oh, no. Ben Venuti, heavily favored. No one knows who the fuck Manzone is. And he's a fucking continental champ already. But no one cares about that. He's not, the rap on him

is he's fighting a bunch of no-names in his hometown. So who gives a shit? He's fighting a bunch of bums. This is the world champ. Nino's the world champ. He's the undisputed

world champ too. WBC, WBA. And The Ring had a belt back then. So he fucking matters. He matters very much, Ben Venuti, actually. Ben Venuti is rocky He's the undisputed world champion of WBC, WBA, and The Ring had a belt back then, The Ring, which is a magazine. So he fucking matters. He matters very much, Ben Venuti, actually. Ben Venuti is rocky, for lack of a better...

Yeah. He's the shit. Yeah, he's... Back then, yes, he's considered a terrific champion. He's probably going to knock the shit out of... And even in Argentina, there was large billboards of Ben Venuti everywhere, because boxing's huge down there.

There was then, anyway, so he's in movies. Ben Venuti's a... They're putting up billboards of Ben Benuti everywhere. Because boxing's huge down there. There was then, anyway. So he's in movies. Ben Benuti's a... They're putting up billboards in his hometown talking about, this guy's going to come knock the shit out of Monzone. Monzone's going there. This guy was just popular. Monzone's going to leave your town and come up here and get his ass kicked by this guy.

And they're going to pull billboards all over your town. So, yeah. So he's going to the fight in Rome. That would be intimidating as fuck. Yeah, going to Rome to fight the champ? Yeah, that'd be weird. You leave your house to go run, to train for this fight,

and you're running past billboards of this fucking guy that everybody thinks is going to take your head off. And not to mention, when you look at his fights, they're like 90% in his hometown. They're like 90% always, or Buenos Aires, which is like 200 miles away. They're always like home.

He doesn't really... So he takes a big slug of raw eggs and goes jogging and staring at this fuck's face. Looking at old Benvenuti.

So Carlos Arusta says at this point, they have a big gathering before he leaves to go overseas. It's the whole community, basically. The boxing,

Argentinian boxing community. And Arusta says, quote, it was a more romantic time. We, the boxing community, all got together to give Monzone a farewell dinner

in Luna Park. Carlos could walk along Corrienta Street in a suit and nobody would recognize him. All eyes were on Benvenuti. I got the feeling that the average spectator

was thinking, who is this guy, Monzone, who's going to go fight the champ? So nobody knew who the fuck he was. Good for him. But he's got balls and he's going to do it. Now, during the weigh-in, Monzone claims that Benvenuti, quote, touched his ass. Nice. He claims he touched his ass during the weigh-in and he is fucking furious. Back then in South America. He's furious of that, but he took that article and those words and was like, that's fine. I assume maybe he couldn't

read English and he didn't know what Burt Sugar said about him. He probably can't read anything. He dropped out in the third grade. That's the other thing too. But he can read homosexual come on lines like grabbing your ass. He reads body languages and I think he touched my ass. By the way,

no word on whether he actually did touch his ass or whether he was using this as some kind of, you know, sick motivation. Jack himself up or whatever. So finally get to the end. He is fucking livid. I mean, he's like, I am going to kill this man. I have a good in their own words about it,

where he's literally like, I want to kill this man tonight. Get the end and sack tap him. Jesus. Oh, Jesus. So November 7th, 1970, the night of the big fight. It's in Palazzo dello Sport in Rome. Oh, it's beautiful. It sounds nice.

He comes in at 67, 3 and 9. So he fights Nino Benvenuti for the WBA, WBC, and the ring middleweight titles scheduled for 15 rounds. The 12th round, Monzone takes over. If you watch the 12th round of this fight it's on youtube you can check it out he takes over and by the end of the round the shot he drops him with

is a he it's a left right combo and this right is just it's one of these pretty filthy huh it's one of these where it's a straight right hand hits him clean on the jaw head snaps dude's legs come out he drops like a ton of shit it's a good punch and it's in the corner it's in his own corner too Straight right hand hits him clean on the jaw. Head snaps. Dude's legs come out. He drops like a ton of shit. It's a good punch. And it's in the corner. It's in his own corner, too. Ouch.

In Benvenuti's corner. At least he doesn't have to go very far. No, he gets up around eight somehow. If you saw this punch and the way he went down, that ref didn't give a shit when he got up. He's calling that fight. When a guy gets knocked down like that, there's no way he's fine after 10 seconds. He was done.

And so he, and his corner rushes in too. There's some, but it's funny, you can't tell. Some Italian guy runs in from the corner and gets like in the ref's way, like as he's waving it off. And he's got a look on his face like, no, no, no, he's fine. What are you doing? You can picture him going, hey, what the fuck are you doing? No, he's fine. Get out of here. No, no, no, don't worry about it.

Don't worry about it. Like, he's trying to just shoo the ref off. Like, that's going to make it all stop. And Benvenuti's going to be all right. We're going to continue. You see him coming in like, no, no, no, no, no. Like, pushing the ref back.

And the ref's like, no, asshole. It's over. The fight's over. He's like, no, no. This is my cousin. He'll be all right. It's ridiculous.

You've never seen him take a punch before. Yeah, he's fine. Don't worry about it. He can take it way worse than that. So, now, Monzone, in their own words, on the Benvenuti ass-grabbing incident and how it affected him, in their own words, quote, I looked at him and I thought, tonight I will kill you.

When the referee stopped the fight, he was correct. That night I would have killed Benvenuti. Wow. So he was going, he was out for blood. Yeah. You don't touch his ass. I will make your heart stop. Mister.

Yeah. I'm telling you. You touch my b i will make your heart stop mister yeah i'm telling you that was you touch my b-hole we got a problem don't you dare so uh erustus said of the fight in buenos aires quote of buenos aires quote buenos aires stopped to watch the next day everyone was talking about monsoon if he'd lost it would have been just another fight. So, I mean, he turned into a hero. And even later on, in the late 80s, I got a quote here from Mike Tyson about Carlos Monzon.

Mike Tyson was very well aware of him. Which is great. Customato, Mike Tyson's trainer, was a very big, an old-school guy. And he made Tyson watch films. Oh, fantastic. Everybody good. And Monzon's a nasty fighter. And Tyson said, quote,

I always loved Carlos Monzone. He was a tough guy, for real. A guy from the streets. He didn't talk much. He didn't need to. The ring belonged to him. Minus all the lisps. Minus the lisps.

Yeah, I'm not going to do a Tyson. But if you got Mike Tyson's respect because you come from a dump and you're a tough guy, you're tough and you come from a dump. Tyson doesn't play that shit. I love it. And hit women yeah he's tyson's an amateur yeah there's these lists too of like you know uh top 15 worst domestic violence people and it's got like tyson and this one i'm like no no no robin givens is fine yeah she got beat up yeah that's terrible but some of

these people are dead that's worse oj can three. No. That doesn't work like that. It just doesn't. The one had Tyson won and O.J. three. It's like, she doesn't have a head. That doesn't count. She doesn't have a fucking head. Robin Givens can still do movies if anybody wanted her. If you want to hear about the night she got beat up, she's still there to tell you. She'll tell you all about it. All about it.

She'll sing. So May 8th, 1971, he has a rematch with Ben Venuti in Monte Carlo. It's a 15-round scheduled fight here. He comes in at 71-3-9 to this bad boy. Beats old Ben Venuti at a minute and five seconds in the third round with a TKO. It's called semi-controversial, but he was beating the shit out of that fight. Whether it was then or in the fourth round, the fight was over.

He's still harboring that ass grab. Yeah, he's still, yeah, he doesn't say anything about it. He's not happy. And we have it in their own words

about becoming champion because this, because he beat the champ and then this was the rematch, so once you beat him again, then, all right, you're a champ now.

It's solidified, yeah. He wasn't a lucky shot. Right. It was, you are the champ. You did it twice. Even more convincing in the second time. even more so

in the third round. So Monzone says about this, quote, When I became a champion, I was 28. I was not a boy. It was a big change for me because I started to get big money. I could buy the biggest car. I learned to take care of my clothes. To become middleweight champion of the world is very important in any part of the globe, including my country.

I know Argentinians were proud of me. 28 years old. 28. And he's on top of the world. He's on top of the world at this my country. I know Argentinians were proud of me. 28 years old. 28. And he's on top of the world. He's on top of the world at this point. That's amazing. This, ladies and gentlemen, this is the mountaintop here.

This is his pinnacle. This is his pinnacle. This is his peak. He's going to be really decadent after this, but this is like professionally and everything when he has his shit most together. Yeah. Things are going well right now.

And this is for a very short amount of time because August 18th, 1971, short time later, Carlos is arrested for his part in a brawl in a pizzeria. Fantastic. Of course. He was at a pizzeria with a bunch of his friends and there was a brawl. He spends the night in jail. He's released

the next morning when police determine that he was only trying to mediate the fight between all of his friends and another table. He's like, stop guys stop guys stop he's the best fighter of all his friends and he's gonna be the one that's the ref come on guys him of all people mr i don't like to lose in marbles right and he beats the shit out of anyone he comes across soccer riots and bus brawls somebody accidentally grazes his ass in that brawl i'm going to somebody's gonna die they're gonna die yeah so he ends up it's total bullshit if there's a fight he's in it you know what i mean and it's and the pizza everybody there's all the witnesses said he didn't participate in the fight because he's the champ he just he's

the champ he's the hero of the country he's the biggest sports hero in argentina right that's where those words right there are why he was the mediator they worship that's why he got labeled media there's no way he didn't throw a punch no he probably settled the fight absolutely came in The words right there are why he was the mediator. They worshipped him. That's why he got labeled mediator. Absolutely. Because there's no way he didn't throw a punch. No, he probably settled the fight. Absolutely. He came in, threw one or two punches, and everyone went, oh, shit, and stepped back. That's the mediation that he did.

He was like, pop, pop, and they're like, let's stop fighting everybody. Because a boxer, I don't know if people know, a boxer, if you take them and put them in a fight with a normal person, Oh, Jesus. it's not a fight. No. It's not even a thing. It's like taking a man and putting him in a ring with a child person, it's not a fight. It's not even a thing. It's like taking a man and putting him in a ring with a child and letting him beat the shit out of him for a while.

It's ridiculous. So as we're going to see later on, when a guy who thought he was a boxer tried to play around with him, a very famous guy who thinks he's a boxer, you guys can think about who that is for a minute. Movie star that thinks he's a boxer. Keep thinking. Nominated for an Oscar a couple of years ago. Bet you know who I'm talking about. We'll get into that because it's a great story really it's fantastic all right uh this complete idiot so uh that's fine that all goes away they let him go

so september 30th a month later he's arrested for after an auto accident where he his car he hit a man on a bicycle his big flash car his big flash car he hit a guy on a bicycle his big flash car his big flash car he hit a guy on a bicycle with his Mercedes there's another time he got arrested for hitting a bus

with his Mercedes but he hits this guy on a bicycle no one seriously injured he's not that badly injured they keep him for a day in Argentina anytime a car

hits any kind of pedestrian type thing they hold the person until the investigation car that hits somebody that's not in a car yeah they arrest you until they do an investigation.

Like, you're under arrest just in case you did something wrong. We're going to check it out, though. So they let him go a day later. They should do that shit in America. That's brilliant. And this guy's a hardcore, as we're going to find out in a minute,

hardcore alcoholic also. Awesome. He's probably drunk or whatever, but they're not going to get the... They went to the bike guy and the bike, you know who this fucking guy is? He's the hero.

You see that billboard? That's him. Who are you? Where's your billboard? You hurt that bad guy is? He's the hero. You see that billboard? That's him. Who are you? You hurt that bad? No? Then shut the fuck up and get on your messed up bike. Put your chain back on and pedal away, asshole. Here's a couple of bucks. Go buy a new tire. Tell your story pedaling.

Fucker, get out of here. So he's released then. 1972, the year starts out great for him as the Ring magazine names Ali and Monzone co-fighters of the year. Wow. So it's fighters of the year names Ali and Monzone co-fighters of the year. Wow. So it's fighters of the year, Ali and Monzone.

He's honored with Muhammad Ali. Boxing Illustrated names Monzone the fighter of the year solo. No, Ali. Boxing Writers Association of America names Monzone

fighter of the year. Wow. Back then, too, you still had some people who were pissed off at Ali about the whole Muslim thing and the war thing and all that shit.

So voting might be sketchy, but still. He's still, maybe besides Muhammad Ali, who's Muhammad Ali, he's the best fighter in the world at this point, overall. Angelo Dundee, who is Muhammad Ali's longtime trainer and everything, said of Monzone, quote,

Monzone is the complete fighter. He can box, he can hit, he can think, and he is game all the way. That's your warning, ladies. That's your, yeah. Guys, that should be on his singles ad. If he had a singles ad, it would be,

now he's the complete fighter. Watch out. He won't even lose at marbles. He can hit, he can box, too. He loves walks on the beach and punching your stupid fucking wrong face.

And he's game all the way. Oh, man. You are wrong no matter what happens no matter what happens he becomes a movie star at this point starts being he's the most famous guy in the country so they put him in movies he's the most famous athlete there is so now you're a movie star fuck it they put him in movies uh brusa said of him my old uh emil car brusa said when car Carlitos made the movie El Macho, which is a great title. Fuck yeah. El Macho.

El Macho. Women went crazy. They threw themselves at him. The actress Ursula Andres came from Hollywood to look for him. I told him to forget about girls while he was in the ring. And he understood. They threw themselves at him and he threw punches to bat him down. And he threw punches to bat him down.

And we, this isn't alleged. because I have a quote from him later. This isn't alleged bullshit. This is not alleged bullshit. I have a quote from him later that is the most eye-popping quote we've ever put. And you've heard, if you've listened to all our episodes, there's been some quotes. Yeah. That are, you know, self-slight death in the family. Yeah, self-slight death in the family.

This is alleged bullshit. They can somehow rationalize their way out of murder quickly. What he says, you're going to go, holy shit that a man said that, not only in public, but in a court of law, on the record with a person typing it.

Guy typing it. People watching. He said what he said later. It's amazing. So November 2nd, 1972 uh there's a decision to appeal there's a decision in the appeal the 1967 photographer photographer beating is coming back because that's still been kicked around holiday party yeah uh the decision comes back monzone says he doesn't even remember the incident at this point the court upholds the

lower court's decision that monzone is going to stand trial for this wow Wow. He's like, you know how many people have it since then? Good God. I don't remember that guy. I don't remember his stupid face. Slussie was hammered. Right. Now, on the case, in their own words, Monzon says, quote, Both parties agreed to an arrangement under which the photographer withdrew the complaint.

I'm surprised over the way this has come up after such a long time and just before my fight with Briscoe. He's got an upcoming fight and he's like, this is an inconvenient time that you're bringing this up. He's trying to say that they're fucking with him. So they dismiss it on grounds of

they came to an agreement. But they didn't. And I imagine the agreement is I will punch your face if you don't withdraw this. All it was was it was a civil decision and Monzone paid him

a bunch of money and then they kept going with the criminal charge. There was no agreement to do shit. I mean, it was according to the other guy. Absolutely. So this is just a bit of Mon Monzone that's great.

He's a character, and we'll start to get into now a little bit of that character. He's a heavy, heavy, heavy smoker. Okay? Heavy cigarette smoker. He's a guy that goes 15 rounds on the regular. Smoking like crazy.

Up to five packs a day five that's a hundred cigarettes a hundred that's drinking that's smoking constantly you're inhaling more smoke than oxygen at that point constant you have to just you light them off of each other yeah and they five pack james how much you smoke i have smoked nearly that for 15 years i smoked good god i don't, I can't. No. I know I've gone through two packs in one day and been like, how the fuck did I do that? And you don't feel good.

Five? Five? I wake up in the morning and it was terrible. He gets in the ring. Now, in his defense, when he was in training for a fight, he would cut down to two or three packs a day. That's insanity. And he'd just get in there.

But I guess if you did that always, it would just probably, it's like the old thing when you, if you lift a cow every day from the time it's a calf, you'll always be, it's like, shit, that

old fucking, it's that That's crazy though. So many cigarettes. He just kept smoking and kept fighting. That's a half a carton a day. He's a late, like when

he's not in training, he's a lazy fuck. He's a decadent guy. He likes to do, likes to live large and do things with pretty models. He likes to drive big cars. He likes to hit pretty women. Hit pretty women.

You know. And smoke cigarettes. And he's known for his incredible stamina. That's the funny part. I'm sure his breath is disgusting. Oh, God, it's going to be terrible. There's an author, George Diaz Smith, that said of him, quote, A guy like Ricardo Mayorga would be a novice compared to the likes of the iron-lunged Monzo.

Iron-lunged because he's going to be in one. Yeah, for all of the years that I'd seen him, Monzo never gasped for air, tired, or opened his mouth gagging for oxygen in any round.

He has superhuman fucking lungs. I don't know what it is. Maybe he's like an Argentinian Sherpa. He just doesn't care. Does he have a filter in his throat?

It's incredible. I don't know what he's doing. Maybe he's not inhaling. Maybe he's just hanging it out of his mouth. He just doesn't care. Does he got a filter in his throat? It's incredible. I don't know what he's doing. Maybe he's not inhaling. Maybe he's just hanging it out of his mouth. He just likes it like an incense. This is great.

This is just joyous to bring you this story here. February 28th, 1973. Monzona's a big fight with his wife, okay? The neighbors hear the arguing and it's a common thing. He beats the shit

out of this girl all the time. There's a bunch of arrests. I know of a few of them, and I'll get to them, the documented ones. But there's a bunch in between that are just like, he got arrested, and they kicked him back. And it wasn't in the paper, and it was a real kind of underneath thing. Just shady, on the low, and get him in and out. They fight a lot. This woman has a large selection of sunglasses to wear when she goes out of the house we'll put it that way this is the one that he has three kids with oh

yeah yeah this is his wife that he has three kids with um it's in a big fight there's arguing monzone ends up in the driveway screaming for help and bleeding from two gunshot wounds oh my god she's had enough that's the uh culmination of this argument now he's shot in the right forearm and right shoulder blade guys if you look this up, I don't know if anybody looks shit up as they go along. There's a lot of articles out there and a lot of fucking pieces

and a lot of things that are reblogged and everything else that say he was shot in the leg and the shoulder. He was not shot in the fucking leg. He was shot in the right forearm and the shoulder blade. Trust me.

Just trust me because I looked at that shit for two hours to figure out what was correct because I wasn't going to say the wrong place he was shot. She was really aiming for him. She was pissed. She was trying to kill him.

She was pissed. Now, the stories that go along with it are even better. He claims that he was cleaning his.32 caliber gun, and it went off. Twice, apparently. Bang. Oh, shit. Oh, one more in there. Oh, my God.

I had two in the chamber. I didn't realize it, so that's ridiculous. And shot in the back. And in the back. Oh, shit. shit i shot myself in the back and in the same forearm behind my back yeah and he's a righty by the way i like to show how impressive i am i like to really do it i i blindfold myself i time myself like a marine so when police talked to his wife she said that she was holding it and it accidentally went off i was cleaning it not him twice again twice two in the chamber now the next two in the chamber baby no the next day it's like they don't know how guns work they don't know how they're just like they're stupid don't worry about it like and no one and it's all fine too that's the thing

and the cops who carry guns they're like that makes sense yeah so and the next day the wife changes her story because like well we have to have a consistent story i'm sure next day the wife changes her story and says oh yeah no he was cleaning the gun and shot himself twice once in the back insanity that's such a great story it's a terrific story even better that people bought it. What a crazy relationship, right? So police take the gun with them and all that. He's taken to San Miguel Hospital. The bullet they get, the one I think was a through and through on his forearm. Yeah.

But the one in his back, they never got out. So he just stayed in. He fought the rest of his career because he's not done. He's the champ still. Yeah. He's shot. With a slug in his back. He's going to fight with a slug in his back for the duration here.

The relation, this little bit of strain, obviously, here. We have a good quote from Arusta about him. Because this is when he starts kind of getting out of control and really going off the deep end. And meets a woman that we'll talk about in a second. And it's a little crazy here. So this is Arusta's quote on him. He said, quote, he drank a lot. And it's a little crazy here. So this is a Roosters quote on him. He said, quote, He drank a lot.

And you could say that he was a violent drunk. I believe that when he was unable to express himself with words, he would respond with violence. The difference in the ring is that it was all work. He analyzed all his aggression. He had an extraordinary coldness in the ring. And out of the ring, too, because he just beats women's asses.

Except for when dudes touch his b-hole. Oh, boy. Yeah, he can't be touching't be touching you can remember that in a second um yeah so he does uh he does some 74 he does a movie called la mary and this is a big deal i guess in argentina it's with an actress named suzanna jimenez and they begin a public affair after filming now this isn't the same it is a year after he got shot by his wife, so clearly she didn't get her fucking point across. No. Because he is now going out, now he's still married,

and they're taking pictures of them in public because they're two huge celebrities, and they're together. Yeah, but, and it's a public, dude. They're going all over South America, they go overseas. A public affair, and you're doing that in the face of a woman

who shot you that every time you bend over you feel the skin grind against that slug in your back that's yeah she's no joke

and you still are willing to go fuck another woman this guy's got a sack on him stones bro stones man holy shit stones man this is the beginning

of like his decadent lifestyle where he really starts publicly he's just very fancily clothed in fancy cars and he only hangs out in the best places

and he wears all different Rolexes and shit like that now this girl here Jimenez encourages him to quit boxing

she does not want him to box she doesn't like him boxing she thinks it's whatever this is his career and why he's famous

and you know probably wouldn't like him if he wasn't don't you know why I have all these watches yeah don't you get. Don't you know why I have all these watches? Yeah, don't you get it? Don't you understand why I have a slug in my back and I don't care? I have to go out and beat people up.

I can go in any pizzeria in this country, beat the shit out of whoever I want, and no one will tell on me. Do you know why? I'm above the law. Because I fight. Because they expect me to do that. Because they know what I'm capable of in the ring. Unbelievable. Now, this relationship put a strain between Monzone and Erusta and Brusa.

And his inner boxing circle. Because he was distracted and he's out partying and he's being a playboy. And he's talking about, eh, she doesn't want me to box. And they're like, dude, she's a yokel. Get rid of her. Yeah. She's a yokel. She's totally fucking the whole deal up here.

He also beat the shit out of her on a regular basis, this woman. That's why she wants him to stop. She is known for literally wearing larger and larger sunglasses as time goes on, like situations where they don't belong and shit. And they're like, yeah, that's covering something up because he was quite the violent one here. Now, December 19, 1974,

he's arrested for assault in Santa Fe, in his hometown. It's a 33-year-old carpenter named Carlos Lozano, or Lozcano. He says that Carlos punched him, Monzon, see, they're all named Carlos. It's very confusing.

Lozcano says that Monzon punched him in the mouth during an argument over the price of a car. Monzon owned car dealerships. And this guy came to buy a car. He's haggling with him. And he blasts him. And he punches him. That's one way to negotiate.

And now the thing I really want to see now is Johnny Canine and Monzone's, Ayan Krataru and Monzone's auto sales. Imagine Johnny Canine walking up being like, hey, getting up Jeep. Yeah, get that top off. Take your shirt off. What are you, some kind of pussy? Who cares?

Get in there. And you're like, I don't think so. And then Monzone blasts you in the mouth. Buy it. Buy it. Pow. And he knocks you in the mouth. Unbelievable.

Holy shit. So he's a crazy person, obviously. This is what I mean. Who punches someone while they're... This is your car. People, you've bought and sold cars out there, everybody, right? A million times. Have you ever punched someone during that transaction, ever?

I've gotten to a point where I was like, no, I will not pay that. Or, no, you will pay this, whatever I'm doing, buying or selling. But it has never... When I walked away, I've said a million times, I'd love to just hit that guy in the fucking mouth. And this guy just does it. Let's say this. If he beats up his wife, at least, not saying it's okay, but they're connected to each other.

He might think, well, shit, I have to come back the next day and see her again. And it's like this ongoing thing. And people get these weird... Walk away. There's other car dealerships there's other cars you you're not obligated to have this transaction at all at all i mean it's you can just walk away your livelihood doesn't rest on this you can say this is how much it is i don't want to pay that all right see you later and walk away you don't have to punch the guy in

the mouth for insulting your so uh it's 1974 here's uh the wBC, which is one of the licensing bodies for his titles here, takes away his title for not defending it enough in a timely fashion. Oh, all right. He's just enjoying it. Yeah, he's doing the bare minimum. At this point, he slows down a lot because he's making more money. So he's like, I'm going to make big money from this fight and then go make two movies and and then go fuck some models,

and then I'll go fight again later. Why would I box if I can just live the life? Exactly. That's why boxers' kids don't box. Right. Even if you have the money and you know how to box, you're like, I don't feel like it. I don't want to do that.

Nah. Look at Mike Tyson, Buster Douglas. I got it all. What am I going to do? So the WBA still considered him on Zone Champ, but the WBC gives their belt to rodrigo valdel valdez of columbia uh-huh and so he's gonna have to fight rodrigo to unify here and that's gonna come up soon during this light this time arusta says of monzone quote monzone was

always monzone living in the fast lane attending parties driving a mercedes always a center of attention in magazines and on television programs. So now he is the celebrity, obviously, even more now, like these movie stars. Embracing and enjoying. October 27, 1974, he's arrested for beating his wife. Shocker. Yeah. She doesn't shoot him this time, so he's arrested.

That's, you know, that's normal. It's her time. On October 29, two days later 1974 he and by the way after he's arrested for beating his wife he's put on house arrest while while it's all going on holy shit he's not allowed to leave his house so he's stuck in his house while an article that reads quote monzone marked for death is the title of the article and this is some serious shit here this is an Argentinian right wing political group extremist group

that like wants to take over the government and back then they were having coups all over South America this was no joke called quote triple A they were

called which I don't think they know what that means or they might we're almost decent yeah hey we almost made it we're almost there like that's not a good way

to do it triple A is we're the group that not quite major leagues we're going to overturn your government and kill your sports superstar. Or when you have a flat, we'll come fix your tire.

We'll come fix you. Either one. We got you covered. This is a right-wing opposition. Get you great discounts on fucking hotels. We can do it for you. We have it all covered. They say they're wanting to clean up the morals

in showbiz and in the country in general. And they want him dead. So, well, there's reasons here. and they do this with a lot of people. They put together two death lists, they're called. Meanwhile, he is arrested, he's on house arrest for an incident... He's stuck in his house. ...involving the woman that he's stuck in his house with. Yes, absolutely.

A woman that tried to kill him, tried to shoot him twice, and they're like, you need to put this bracelet on, take your ass back home. And the bad part is, this death list is saying that all the people on these lists have 72 hours to leave Argentina or be killed. Wow. That's their proclamation. And they know exactly where he is. And he's stuck in the house. He can't leave. So this is probably a little nerve wracking.

He's marked for death, all right, by this group and his fucking wife. And his wife shot him twice. So you two, it's a race to get him. Ben Vanuti wants to grab his ass. God knows what Burt Sugar wants to do to him. Holy shit. Wow, that's probably really gross. A lot of people got some interest in this man.

He's got two silver-haired middle-aged Argentinian men taking care of him. Good Lord. This first list was eight government officials. Oh, shit. And these were like, you know, senators and shit like that. The second list was movie stars and things like that. And it included Monzon and his girlfriend, Jimenez. And it was because their kissing scenes in La Mary were just too much.

Yeah. They were too... They were too obviously enjoying it. Too graphic for them. They're not into that. So, yeah, he's on house arrest. It was too much. Yeah. They were too... They were too obviously enjoying it. Too graphic for them. They're not into that. So, yeah, he's on house arrest. It was too straight for us. It's a little too...

Yeah, it was a little too straight for us. We're going to see what Burt Sugar puts together next time. So, with Jimenez, they travel all over the world together,

like high-profile trip to Italy, where they film a movie over there together, and they're in Rome. They have a big brawl in a hotel also that's a highly publicized thing,

and then she's wearing sunglasses for the next week. It's classic insanity, man. We're laughing at this, but we're not laughing at... We're laughing at what a fucking idiot this guy is, and that he doesn't get it. He'll get his, though. He'll get his, we promise.

He's indigenous Argentinian trash. He's just... He's a piece of garbage, man. He'll get his, we promise. He's indigenous Argentinian trash. He's just... He's a piece of garbage, man. He makes nine films total in the 70s, and there's a couple more. We'll bring them up as they come up here. That's awesome. Yeah, he did well.

And then a couple in Italy, one in Argentina, one in France. So he was like a world-renowned celebrity. I'm not driving all night to get to two shows to write dick jokes and say them into a microphone and hopefully get into something later. And this guy's got nine movies already. Yeah, and he's beaten high-level movie stars at this point too,

not even some girl he found in a favela. This is like a high-level movie star. You don't see me telling dick jokes, getting off stage and punching Kate Moss in the face. Kate Moss? I don't know. I just pulled the name. I don't know. Wow, that's a...

I don't think she's an actress. I don't think she is either. I think she's just a model. She'd die of a heroin overdose in like 97 probably. I have't know. Wow, that's a... I don't think she's an actress. I don't think she is either. I've seen her in 20 years. She's just a model. She'd die of a heroin overdose in like 97 probably. I have no idea. I'm not punching Goldie Hawn in the mouth. Oh, God, Jesus.

There you go. There's one that's relevant. At least she's in movies. I don't think she's been in one in 20 years, but she was in movies. She was. We'll work up. Guys, send in your current movie stars for Jimmy

because he doesn't know anything. I clearly don't see many. Katherine Heigl. I'm getting there. I don't know. I even think she's fallen off. That's been like 10 years. Yeah.

Jesus Christ. Wow. I don't know any better. So I'm going to just leave you hanging in the wind and go, God, Jimmy, you don't know anything. Jesus, Jimmy. I'm not going to help you. I'm not going to help you.

I'm getting a third grade education on movie stars. That's perfect. At least you can read. I'm kidding, probably. During this time period he injured several paparazzi during the time

because there was a lot of paparazzi around and he would be like injure a guy put him in the hospital get arrested you know

get bailed out in other countries and everything. He's like the Sean Penn of his time. I get that though. I wish that was

legal. Punching paparazzi? Yeah just some dude pops out of a bush and just starts taking a picture. You don't know what that guy's there for.

And Ben Affleck and his wife tried to pass legislation to get rid of him around their children and stuff. I wish it would have worked because those people deserve to get blasted

in the mouth. Fuck yourself with your selling my picture for 10 grand. Fuck you. They are scum. They deserve to get punched. Do you ever see

how Seinfeld handles them? Jerry Seinfeld handles it. How does he do it? He handles it beautifully. How does he do it? where they actually feel bad for like invade like i saw in one that they they like they were taking pictures of him and and he he had a parking ticket uh-huh and the guy was like i'll take he's like i'll take care of it for you and he's like all right because he let him take a couple of pictures yeah he's like all right fine here take your pictures he took a couple of things and the guy's like, thanks, man, I'll take care of that ticket

for you for that thing. That's so sweet. He needed the thing. It was like a good relationship. How does he do the paparazzi? Because he's Seinfeld. I don't know how he does anything. He just does it nicely

and they just walk away? He goes on stage with a smile and makes a billion dollars off but I have no fucking idea how he does it. He's a magician. I don't know how you could treat those people

with respect, though. They're a piece of shit. Seinfeld's a great guy. Let's get back into this guy. Kick their ass, Monzone. Monzone. So he does. He kicks their asses.

Unfortunately, half of them are probably women. We'd have no idea. Good point. Sure they're not, but he'll pretend they are. June 30th, 1975, his only fight ever

in Madison Square Garden in New York City. But he did one. He did one. He beats Tony Licata with a TKO at 243 at round 10 in a scheduled 15 round that's pretty

impressive he knocks his shit out of him and uh and he smokes five packs a day and they ask him what are you gonna do after the fight and this was before the fight uh they ask him what are you gonna do after the fight and he says quote after the fight i will smoke a cigarette drink a cold glass of wine and go make a movie he's just that's what he's all about. I love him. He's honest as shit, I'll say that. He's so great. And of the,

now June 1976, he fights the aforementioned Rodrigo Valdez, who they gave the, you know, other title to. Yeah, they gave the title to,

right. This is to unify the thing here. Monzone, Monzone beats him in a decision. The fans are upset with the decision, some of them,

even though he probably won still. Yeah. Monzone says he, you know, some of them, even though he probably won still. Monzon says he, you know, basically there's a thing about there's too many Argentinian judges and there's Argentinian referee and there was a lot of complaints

about the ring. Valdez's manager, Gil Clancy, said that, Monzon was gouging Rodrigo's eyes and rabbit punching. I wanted those ropes tightened. They were slackened before the fight.

There's no way Manzon could win if the ropes were as they should be. I still thought my boy won anyway. Because the ropes were loose. And he would do the, he was big on the Muhammad Ali, lean back in the ropes, rope-a-dope you kind of. So he would lean all the way back. And as tall as he was, a guy can't get to his face. So when you're in your hometown, you can tell the guys,

hey, make those ropes a little loose and you have a big advantage pull a couple screws out of there that's all it is Monzone on the fight in their own words

says quote I never did doubt I'd win I was sure of myself despite Valdez's valor he's definitely the greatest champion I've ever met

he even hurt me in the 8th round so I mean he's given the guy some props but in the 10th he rocked him but then it wasn't good enough.

The fight was called. They blame the ref. It's a decision. They blame the ref for the decision even

though the judges make it. Now after the fight Monzon signs on to do another movie. This is the one that he shoots

in Italy. He wasn't playing. He will make another movie. He will make another movie because they had deals. You keep fighting

you keep getting movies because that keeps you famous. That was literally the deal. After he'd win they'd go okay you won another fight you getting movies because that keeps you famous that was literally the deal like after he'd win they'd go okay you want another fight you get one more movie

and they were signing him to one movie at a time after every fight he's fighting for movies yeah he fights that's a promotion for their movie

and they make the movie so this is the one where he goes to Italy with Jimenez and they have brawls and everything else they list his credits in his fucking fights

they do fighting in the blue quarter you may have seen him in this movie and la mario and la mario starring bert sugar standing behind him el macho sounds like it could be where bert sugar finally conquers him sexually finally gets to that b-hole uh so august 1st 1976 manzones in in a Buenos Aires casino playing cards. He claims that a drunk asked him for some money. He said he had lost all his money.

He asked him for money. He refused and said the man attacked him and started punching him, but he didn't fight back. He was held briefly. I don't buy that for a second. I don't believe it. I think he got up and knocked the shit out of the guy and everyone said, you saw him attack me. I didn't touch him. And they all went, yeah, he attacked the champ. That's what they did did he threw a couple of 20s at some people like he hit me he gave him a little short right hook and dropped his ass i was pretty sure here now august

2nd 1976 remember this uh daniel moreno the photographer some night from 1967 he keeps coming back this is still out here 1976 august 2nd, Carlos is sentenced to a year and a half in prison for the assault of this photographer. He immediately files appeal, which he'll remain free while the appeal is pending, because, I mean, Christy's been out for 10 years, 9 years. Not like it's, you know. No, it's not like he's going to go disappear. No, he's just going to go beat his wife. You know, that's what he does, unfortunately.

So December 7th, 1976 1976 there's a ruling in his appeal of that appeal for the sentence of a year and a half and the judge rules that the injuries sustained by the photographer were not serious enough to warrant a prison sentence and calls it a day for this case and he's out i'm actually relieved yeah that's bullshit that's i don't know what the guy did he was probably being happy for him. He was probably being a dick. Sticking around for ten years trying to put the fucker in jail. Get out of it. You're fine. You've got PTSD, you dick. Go home.

He's fighting. What will end up being his final fight now is going to be in 1977 a rematch with Valdez to cement it. Monzon is training hard for him. I mean, let's... Whatever. They're still saying he's not training hard, too. There's articles like, well, he's going out and hanging out with

his friends and whatever. Smoking like crazy. Jean-Claude Boutier, who is a boxer who lost twice to Monzone, said, quote, a guy working like this, working like that is working for an early knockout. He's told me that he wants everyone to remember him as one of the all-time greats, so he's planning on going out in a little flair. Oh. So he's saying that he's training hard for him, and he would know, I'm sure. The final fight is July 30, 1977, set for 15 rounds. Monzon wins the last fight with a unanimous decision, 15-rounder,

retains all his titles. This one's a little less controversial. Everybody kind of thought he won it. Going out like Peyton Manning. Pretty much, yeah. Final record in boxing is 87 wins, three losses, and nine draws. That's professionally.

Wow. I remind all his amateur fights. Won no contests also. He fought so much. Professional career, he fought 672 rounds. Oh, my God. 600. That's about 2,000 minutes of someone punching you. Throwing. Imagine that. Yeah, that's about 2,000 minutes

of someone punching you. Throwing. Imagine that. Imagine how long 2,000 minutes is and now imagine that's with someone

constantly trying to punch you. Yeah. And you're dodging. Your brain is messed up. You caught a few. All of these guys that we cover

and a lot of them are NFL players but especially the fighters, they all have these crazy, violent tempers. We've covered some football players

that didn't even make the professional team. They played practice football. They didn't get rocked like these. The fighters, these guys. I mean, he's had 200 fights, including amateur. He's gotten his brain knocked around. He only sat down on that stool and been like, you really got me that right.

Yeah, he'd been to rung my bell. August 1st, he had an iron jaw, though. He never got knocked out. All his losses were decisions. August 1st, 77, he announces his retirement. Also says that he's set to film the movie Rifle 3030. Ready to go here. You won't see me in the ring anymore, but you can see me.

You can see me. August 31st. He's like, you can't see me in Rifle 3030 coming out in Argentina films. See me with my latest girlfriend that I'm beating the shit out of off the set. Watch your sunglasses. See how nice they are. Watch the sunglasses exponentially get better throughout the bigger and better throughout the whole film also talks about his cattle ranch in santa fe just hubris

this he has tons of apartment houses that he owns he rents and he's just bragging about it and a car rental and sale agency so he's just bragging he's saying i'm Retirement here. Tons of articles saying he won't stay retired. He loves the limelight. People that know him well are like, no, no, this isn't going to last long. He's like 35 years old, too. For boxing, that's like time to hang it up. And everybody said, too, he's slipping in the ring. Of course.

He didn't look like he did in 70 when he fought Ben Benudi in 75. So I watched that, too. Now, on retiring, he says, no, no, I'm done here. He's in their own words here. Quote, I I watched that too. Now, on retiring, he says, no, no, I'm done here. He's in their own words here. Quote, I have already done enough. Now I am going to leave boxing for the young. I'm definitely retiring. I'm saying it today, and I will confirm it officially

in the next few days. So he's saying he's going to give up his titles and all that kind of shit. He's done, man. He's out. He's going to... He's cashing it in. 35 years old is enough. 35 years old? He fought 100 fights. That's enough now. 2,000 minutes.

We did the math. He has a ton of fucking money. That's too much. For the 70s Argentina, he has a bunch of money. And I have some actual numbers on what he had at this point because his old lawyer

brings up his net worth at this time. And we can watch it dwindle over the years. Awesome. I'll show you. Yeah, he's going to have a hard fall coming up here. Fantastic. Now he's easing into retirement, coming up here fantastic it's not going now he's like this easing into retirement but it's he doesn't do well in retirement um his relationship with

jimenez 1977 it ends uh when among other things beating the shit out of her all the time and she has an alleged affair with an actor singer named cacho castiana he sounds sexy he sounds yeah i'm sure he's very sexy yeah he was got like a 70s thomas jones jumpsuit on i think you know well well manicured highbrows oily man yeah very smooth very smooth and oily lots of olives now december 15th 1977 now remember the thing with his wife where he was got assaulted his wife at some point in there now we don't have the exact date but he was sentenced to a six-month prison sentence okay for that so an appeals court on december 15th 1977 upholds a

six-month prison sentence for assaulting his ex-wife but now this is december 15th official sources say that monzone is unlikely to actually go to jail because the government will probably give him what they call, quote, a Christmas pardon. Merry Christmas. Beat your wife all you want. We'll get rid of those six months. Get back to kicking her ass. We wish you a Merry Christmas. Get on in there.

I bet she's burning something. Like, what the fuck is going on in that person? Sing Jingle Bells as you blast her in the face. That's crazy. You punched your wife. You don't get a Christmas pardon. Sorry. Now, 1978, he meets Alicia Muniz.

Now, she is an Uruguayan model. And she's a ballerina, from what I understand. And they begin a relationship. He meets her. It's contested. There's conflicting stories. And honestly, it's half of them say one thing, half of them say another. Half of them say they met in an airport.

Half of them say she was out to lunch with her friends and he was at the lunch with his friends and he went up and talked to her either way doesn't fucking matter their paths crossed their paths crossed uh they you know they meet the next day he goes to like a beauty parlor that she ran to talk to her and so he's like he's hooking up with her he's trying to get in with her he's going out of his way to find her. They start an extremely rocky relationship. Big shocker here. Now, of all of this, he gives an interview in 1979. And it's an interview about everything because they ask him about his wife, beating his wife and everything else.

And he says, this is like his, listen, this is what I do. This is my problem. He says, in their own words, quote, the violence is my fault. It's my worst fault. All my friends tell me that before I get angry, I should count to ten, but when I get to two, I explode. No self-control whatsoever. They all tell me to

count to ten, but they don't realize that I only went to school until third grade. They don't realize I can only count to two. That's as high as I go, and by then I'm enraged anyway. I'm furious. They only tell me count to ten, and I get to two, and I'm furious but I can't tell me count to 10 and I get to two and I'm like I can't what comes after two god damn it all and then he starts attacking people shit uh 1980 article Monzone says that his wardrobe consists of 46 suits 200 shirts and

ties and 300 pairs of shoes wow yeah that's a well-dressed man that's a way he's and he's like the magazines like the Argentinian GQ he's always like the most well-dressed man. And he's like the magazines, like the Argentinian GQ. He's always like the most well-dressed man in the country. Sounds like it. He's Joe fucking Cool Slick. I mean, you heard what Burt Sugar said about him. He's a fine hunk of man meat. I'm getting that B-hole.

His attorney, Evan Raimondi, who left him in 1977, said that Monzon, when he had left him, Monzon had $ million dollars money uh plus 70 35 apartment buildings or 35 apartments two houses and mercedes several trucks and a cattle ranch he's doing all right so he said his assets were worth a total of 10 million bucks when he left him and that's in 1977 yeah that's big money in 1977 yeah so that's forever money yeah that's generational especially in south fucking america forget it it's not like you're gonna go move to you know beverly hills

and blow it on a house you could have half of argentina for that kind of money so um uh let's see here monzone and alicia in 1981 are married in miami now this is the one that sort of counts they're married in miami they take it down argentina it's never officially uh put into their paperwork down there yeah it's never entered into the system like we said who knows what the hell kind of systems they have down right but i assume it's organized enough to know when people are married but not in this case so they don't know about that uh 1981 later on in the year they have a son together named Maximiliano. Oh, boy.

You meet women, you beat them up, you knock them up. That's his thing that he's got. And then name them. Beat them up, knock them up. An amazing name like that. Name your kids some crazy, crazy bullshit. Monzone tells the press at this point, this is moral epiphany time right here.

This is I had a moral epiphany. See Dave Meggett two episodes ago. Monzone tells the press, quote, this is the beginning of a new life for me. So, I mean, he is not. I'm straight Catholic. I don't punch broads. I'm not punching anybody anymore, goddammit. I am taking care of Maximiliano.

Put my hands in my pockets. Alicia, hands in the pockets. I've learned to count to ten. I learned to count to ten. I got my GD. And I got to ten million, by the way. That's how I did it. I learned to count to ten by counting my millions.

Counting my millions. So February 1981, he is, you know, new leaf, new beginning. He's arrested for possession of a gun. Oh, God. Not quite a new beginning for this guy here. Does one month in jail in March. He's released April 15th, 1981. 1983, he's inducted into the Ring Boxing Hall of Fame.

Is also inducted into the World Boxing Hall of Fame. My goodness. During the 80s, Alicia would give interviews telling them about their private life. Because they were a famous couple and what they do. Positive shit, though. Let's talk about the about the legend yeah she wouldn't really talk about the beatings at that point they they break up in 84 they separate uh they have a lot of problems mainly from his physical abuse obviously um everybody knows that he hits alicia too it's just a known thing neighbors here and everybody hears of course it's him right he's got a woman

he's beating her period that's it they separate in 84 but they would be on and off for years like every shitty couple that shouldn't be near each other they can't get the fuck away from each other

every white trash couple yep that's it and she's very white too from Uruguay she's got like blonde hair and like light eyes and white white skin

like very white like she looks but no no she looks Irish she doesn't even look like it's very weird you looks, but no, no, she looks Irish. She doesn't even look like, it's very weird. That's so sexy. You wouldn't look at her and go,

she's from Uruguay, like at all. It's very strange. A Spanish girl that looks like that is so hot. I don't know what the fuck you're supposed to look like if you're from Uruguay. Right. I have no idea. I'm assuming black hair, brown eyes, olive skin.

She's probably, I assume like a, you know, a German Nazi defectors, whatever. I mean, I don't know. That sounds sexy as fuck, though. But yeah, 87, and she's an attractive girl. I wouldn't be able to get past fucking her to be able to punch her. Oh, well, he has no problem with that, boy.

And we'll get into an incident that's coming up that is beyond the pale. Maybe he's gay. Maybe. It's possible. But I don't know. We'll ask Burt Sugar. I think Burt Sugar

is still alive I mean that was his motivation to win those fights with that other guy he touched my ass yeah only someone

struggling with that would care about that only a closet homosexual would use that as motivation if someone grabbed your ass in the parade fight you would laugh at him

he'd be like he just grabbed my ass that's hilarious dude we're totally going to fight later that was funny yeah whatever yeah whatever moving on you know who cares he was like i'll kill him that's not normal um in 1987 alicia tries to go back to modeling uh because she's just figures she's done with him so

she tries to get back into the modeling game uh she says of him in 1987 in an interview in an interview she says quote i love him but he will never change he will continue being violent i cannot go back to living with him but neither can i live without him yeah that is the ultimate she just said men can't live with them can't live without it's the ultimate abused woman thing he's never going to change i can't live with him but i can't live without him right now you know bad things are going to happen. I'll be back. Yeah. God, this poor woman, man. 1988, January of 1988,

Carlos is telling friends that he's going to spend the next few months trying to reconcile with Alicia. That's all he cares about. Uh-huh. It was in January of 1988. Also in January of 88,

Boxing Illustrated writer's poll names him the second greatest middleweight of all time. All time. Behind who? I think Sugar Ray Robinson. Oh. That's a good person to time. Behind who? I think Sugar Ray Robinson.

Oh, that's a good person to be behind. Yeah, I believe Sugar Ray Robinson, which is fine. You're fine. Yeah, you're a legend. You're cemented. He's a damn good fighter, yeah. In history. Now, February 14th, 1988. This is where things poor Alicia should have

this is where the quote where you go, no, Alicia, go. Run far away. Go live your life. Find another continent far away from this man. They are in a beach resort. It's a beach resort city called Mar del Plata. And it's a coastal beach deal.

And she apparently... It's not known whether... There's conflicting reports of whether it was her friend's apartment that they were staying at together or it was her apartment that he was paying for. There's no real. We're not sure about it. But either way, they have this apartment there. It's right by the beach. They go out to dinner with a bunch of friends.

They drink heavily all night. And they're just wrecked. I mean, smoking. There's witnesses saying that they stumbled in the taxis and got taken home. And they were trashed I mean they didn't even drive and they don't give a shit that's not a good concoction for an evening

no they get home in the middle of the night after this night and they're just hammered and bad things are happening here man they begin to fight about what Monzon says is about money around 4.30 in the morning they start fighting the fight was loud basically both parties end up 4.30 in the morning, they start fighting. The fight was loud.

Basically, both parties end up falling off the second-story balcony onto the street. Moon-Yi dies. She has a fractured skull and dies. And Manzon has a broken ribs and a cracked hip out of this fucking thing. Now, let's get into what happened on this evening. That's the result of this fucking thing. Now, let's get into what happened on this evening. That's the result of the whole deal. Now, he tells police

that he doesn't remember what happened. He admitted to fighting with Alicia and hitting Alicia that night, but he doesn't remember what happened after that.

He doesn't know if she fell off or what happened. He thinks he was trying to save her as she fell off the balcony or whatever. He's held at home for the moment to nurse his injuries because he's all fucked up. Then he's transferred to save her as she fell off the balcony or whatever he's held at home

for the moment to nurse his injuries because he's all fucked up then he's transferred to a jail so now he's in jail his wife is dead the other wife good god knows what she has these three kids to deal with there's people dead there's photographers and bert sugars longing for cock i feel bad bert sugar has blue balls I feel bad for all these people Jimmy I really do I feel horrible for them but not even close to as bad as I feel

for Carlos Menzon the associate at Magnum Capital Industrial Partners in Spain Carlos Menzon the senior EDI systems analyst at Baker and Taylor in the US he went to DeVry, that guy. Look at him. He followed instructions on a commercial.

Carlos Manzon, the handyman in El Centro, California. Oh, my goodness. No reviews on Angie's list there, so I don't know if we should use him. Don't let him in. Don't let him in, guys. Carlos Manzon, the strategic account manager at Tableau Software in Mexico. Carlos Manzon, Venezuelan journalist with over 25 years of experience.

Carlos Monzon, a criminal and workers' compensation attorney in Lincoln, Nebraska, who's been on the top 100 trial lawyers list since 1997. How about that? Carlos Monzon, a politician running for New Hampshire State House in the 13th District. He doesn't beat his wife, you guys. Finally, poor Dr. Carlos Monzon, house in the 13th district he's a democrat his wife you guys finally poor dr carlos monzone

md pediatric hematology and oncology he takes care of kids with cancer and blood problems in oloth kansas and it says he's accepting new patients doing his best to straighten out that name give poor carlos monzone a call if your kid is fucked up, please. Hopefully they don't have cancer. He'll fix it. Hopefully you don't need to see Dr. Monzon. But in case you do, he has not beat his wife that we know of. And he's doing his best to clear that name. Certainly didn't kill her.

Now back to our story. Didn't do it at all. Now back to our story. Our Carlos. Our Bart Carlos here. He's just been, the murder has just, or a death has just occurred. Right.

We don't know what happened. Erusta, back to our buddy Erusta, says on the murder, quote, people were stupefied when it happened. It was a Sunday

during summer when there was not much news happening. Everyone was talking about how Monzon had killed Alicia. There was no talk of it having been an accident. So he's like,

everybody's like, oh yeah, he killed her because he beats the shit out of every woman he's ever everyone knows it so they're like yeah he went a little too far this relationship's were sponsored by oakley they're always wearing always wearing glass big ones right big gloria vanderbilt cataract fucking glasses get the most the biggest ray bands they can find they she invented blue blockers, I think. The man herself was like, I need to get this better. So his daughter,

Abel, black and blue blockers. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm so ashamed of myself. His toys invented a terrible 90s SNL commercial sketch. I'm so embarrassed. It's more of a living color, can't mind. Or a mad TV. His daughter, Abel, said,

quote, there are many that want to dirty the image of Papa, but of this we are sure. Papa, our Papa, is not a murderer. Well, you're not quite that sure. Because on February 26th... Stop being so proud of your dad. No. A week later, February 21st, 1988,

Carlos is formally charged with non-aggravated murder, which means there's no premeditation to it which means he's just a nut job he just killed him just because whack job lunatic basically yeah he they basically said he's crazy so it's it's fine right where you know um after a rat after the arrest he gives a statement to the press saying quote in their own words quote i am well and confident. All should be calm because I am going to leave here soon because I am innocent and I believe in God and justice. So he's out of his fucking mind, basically.

What does that even mean? He said, God will not let them fuck me over. Clearly I'm being fucked over here. He's out of his mind. Awesome. So crazy that the next day, February 22nd, 1988, Monzon's given his second psychological test since being arrested. Because that first one they're like, what the fuck?

Let's do this again. They don't know. They can't figure him out, basically. They're like, we need to take a look at him. He just got arrested the day before, formally. And they're doing two on him already. Yeah, they're like, we did one yesterday. Let's go ahead and run him through one more time.

The first one, did you turn the machine on and off again? Because something's wrong. It clearly has to not be right. He's a little messed up. His attorney, Horatio Della Canale, said that he will visit. He will wait for the test results before deciding whether or not to try to get his client out of jail at the moment. Basically, he might be insane. I don't know what's going on.

Let's see what happens here. I'm going to back off for a second. So Friday, he's held without bail this whole time. Basically, later on, he's going to be charged with second-degree murder is what it ends up being. That's their version of that. That's the best they can get out of it? Faces up to 25 years. Oh, that's deep. It's a steep one yeah it's still murder it's and uh now the autopsy this is

what's crazy the first bruise is fucking everywhere yeah that's another thing too they find bruises yeah old old fractures things like that like they find an abused kids and shit old fractures that shot in the ribs things like that but the first autopsy says she seemed to have died from the fall. And they say, yeah, she died from the fall. Which still, you don't know if he shoved her off, but they said she died from the fall. Second autopsy was done, though, at the request, let's not say request, at the insistence of the Mooney's family,

Alicia's family. Good for them. Yeah. And that autopsy showed signs of strangulation and also other facial bruising. Oh, my God. Like, fresh facial bruising. So a medical examiner thinks she was unconscious when she went off the balcony also.

So he was, like, so drunk he tried to toss her off and then, like, the momentum yanked him with her? Well, we'll see what he says in a second here because June 28, 1989, this is a year later, he's still in jail. We have a waiting trial. Wow. The trial begins. Carlos testifies. They testify a lot down there. Ballsy.

He's testifying here. He gets on the stand, says it was an accident, and he was trying to save her from going over. Prosecutors asked him about beating his wives and whether he beat Alicia because they're trying to set up a pattern here. Sure. Well, this is, wow sure here it is well this is wow here it is guys the most brazen fucking quote in the history of in their own words music's going here let's go let's do this in their own words this is him in a court of law on the stand with people watching and a person typing and a judge with a robe on the record. Press there, everything.

His mom probably, who knows. Okay. In their own words, quote, we started to quarrel and I gave her a punch and squeezed her neck a bit. I don't think the punch could have affected her.

I hit other women on other occasions and nothing ever happened to any of them. I've hit all my women except one and nothing has ever happened to any of them.

End fucking quote. Wow.'ve hit all my women except one and nothing has ever happened to any of them. End fucking quote. Wow. I hit all my women. I beat all the bitches. He got on a stand and literally tried to defend himself by saying, I've hit every woman I've ever come in contact with. Clearly, I know how to hit women.

I'm the guy. It's an up word. I'm the guy that when you's an up word it's an up word I'm the guy that when you hit women right you come to me if you got a question I know how to do it

clearly do you got your wife here I'll show you listen I'm a playboy I go out there I go out into town do you have any

fucking idea how many women I've hit any idea I'm a professional I'm a professional nay nay professional boxer I'm a professional. I'm a professional nay professional boxer. I'm a professional woman

hitter. Now, that said, who needs a punch in the face? The only reason I fight these other fights in the ring to get these belts and these titles is because they don't offer them for what I really do. And that gives me prettier women to hit. Right.

That's what I'm really after. And the other thing is too, I've hit all my women except one. Where's she at? Clearly, she's telling the truth because you need to throw that in there.

He sounds like a monster. That wasn't mitigating. That didn't make it sound better. Oh, well, there's one he didn't hit. It's fine. There's one that she should...

What did she do to not get hit is what I want to know. What was her game with him? Like, she must have been a bad motherfucker. It was to know what was her game with him like she must have been a bad motherfucker it was Burt Sugar it was a black woman

I bet I bet you anything it was a black woman he took his hand up once she said hell no motherfucker and she like hit him with a pot

and he went whoa shit never mind then again you could shoot this guy and it doesn't matter he's still the man so who knows man

it was clearly Burt Sugar yeah he said all the right things that's true that's why he didn't get it just picture Monzone. I want to get a picture. I want to Photoshop.

We'll get Sarah to see if she can do this. I want to Photoshop just Burt Sugar just rubbing the back of his hand on Monzone's cheek, you know, like real romantically. In the sunset on the beach. I would like to see that. So that quote there, when I read that quote, that was one of the first things I read when I was looking at the story. I read that quote and I said, we're doing this now. That's our guy. That's our guy.

Because I will build the whole episode around that right there. I said that, I'm getting that down. I don't give a shit what else happens. I don't care what else he did. That's enough right there. Now, June 28th, also, this is what he says. That's his defense. that's his defense that's his defense yeah that's not something they overheard yeah i'm talking to the phone on his

friend with on the phone with his friend this is what he said in court to defend himself that's the catchphrase for the fucking movie holy shit rifle 30 30 that's el macho is what that movie is uh so june 28th same day 1989 he says that but other witnesses have a different view of it uh witnesses testify that they saw monzone actually toss his wife from the balcony neighbors say the argument woke them up so it was a big argument uh a garbage man a rubbish collector as they call them which sounds much better than garbage man garbage man sounds like a man made of garbage a rubbish collector, as they called him, which sounds much better than garbage man. Garbage man sounds like a man made of garbage. A rubbish collector sounds like he's discriminately picking things. That piece, yes.

That piece, no. Leave that on the street. A garbage man actually describes Montaigne. He's a garbage man. He's a garbage man. He said, quote, he gave her a one-two combination of cross punches to the face and she fell to the floor. Wow. He continued to say, this is Rafael Cristiano Baez,

he continues to say that he saw Monzon carry her, throw her over the shoulder and carry her to the balcony, quote, like a sack of potatoes and toss her off the balcony. Wow. Now, another one here. and toss her off the balcony. Wow. Now, another one here. Now, at the time, his defense attorney demanded that Baez be prosecuted for perjury because this can't be true until a second witness gets up.

Rafael Maiano says that he also saw Monzon toss the exact same thing, just walked over an unconscious woman, threw her over the balcony. And what he did also was he jumped off with her on purpose he tossed her and then went on top of her so he could go

I was trying to save her I fell off that was his way of being like we both fell right you know it was horrible it was totally premeditation exactly

he just tossed they said he tossed her off and then he jumped off it's a second story thing he just jumped off landed cracked a couple of ribs messed his hip up and that was that.

Amazing. You guys got some fucking sack on him, I'll tell you what. If you ever, if I saw that, I would be fucked up for so long. Holy shit. What the fuck did I just watch?

I hope that's a doll. Yeah. I hope that's like three pillows. That can't be a human being. Did that guy just throw his mattress up? Oh my God, he jumped. She landed head first,

too, on the street. That's why I fractured skull. She was dead immediately, basically. She was dead on arrival of, he jumped. She landed head first on the street. That's why fractured skull. She was dead immediately, basically. She was dead on arrival of paramedics. She was done. Oh my God. That was a horrible way to go out.

I mean, beaten up, punched, choked. They said he probably choked her into unconsciousness or knocked her out, either one, and then decided to fling her off the balcony. He's super drunk, the whole deal. That's the other thing, too. He's saying, I had a lot to drink and her off the balcony. He's super drunk, the whole deal. That's the other thing, too. He's saying, I had a lot to drink and I don't remember. So, you know, which isn't an excuse for killing someone.

He is convicted of simple homicide, they call it. I guess that's what the charge got broke down to on July 3rd, 1989. It's a Monday. He's sentenced. This is just the first part. Don't worry. He's sentenced to pay court costs. $25,000 to the Mooney's family.

That's fucking chintzy. And 11 years in prison. That's pretty steep. You, sir, you can fuck off. You can take yourself. You can say it exactly like that. You can get fucking off. Yeah.

Not 25 would have been fuck off. This is like, you can fuck off for a while, mister. Take a fucking hike here. Monzone says he will appeal. This is horse shit. 11 years of local tv get to it get to it yeah he's not he's not happy um of the conviction his lawyer one of his lawyers patricia parello says quote this trial has just begun actually it's over now

yeah you just got convicted and sentenced to your convicted murder right the conviction is the end of the it's not just begun i don't think she's a very good lawyer. I don't think she knows how law works exactly, this one. Mooney's family lawyer, Rodolfo Vega Leach, was attacked outside

the courtroom after this. Wow. Because there's a ton of his fans out there and there's a lot of people chanting murderer and there's a lot of people chanting go Carlos,

go Monzone, get him Monzone and shit like that. They beat this guy silly, this lawyer. Because he didn't get him off. No, they beat, no, this is Mooney's family lawyer just for representing them. Oh my god. He's involved with the poor woman who got

killed. Oh my god. So he's the enemy. They beat him and hit him with sticks and stones. And they will break your bones as he knows. They do. He knows. He does. He wishes they would have used words at this point this holy shit wow this poor bastard he caught an ass beating so finally he says uh about everything and this is they wouldn't he wouldn't admit to the murder part of it but he says about his whole

he would sum it up basically carlos he says own words, quote, me and my bad temper are the ones really responsible. Yes, my bad temper. No shit, asshole. Afraid so. You can't get to three. Yeah. You have a terrible temper. This doesn't stop the International Boxing Hall of Fame

from inducting him in 1990. What? They're like, fine, whatever, kill your wife. They'll hang on to him. Sure. They don't even keep him. They induct him that year. He's a new inductee. Oh kill your wife. They'll hang on to him. Sure. They don't even keep him. They induct him that year. He's a new inductee.

Oh my God. Yeah, they inducted him. It was a new, a different Hall of Fame. International Boxing Hall of Fame. Did they not hear? They didn't give a shit. Like, fuck it.

He had a good left hook. Who cares? Nice straight right hand. You see Ben Venuti take a fucking dive? Forget about it. I saw somebody else take a dive too,

right off a fucking balcony. Now here is my favorite story in the whole thing here. 1993 while he's in prison Mickey Rourke is your actor that I was referring to earlier.

I was going with a boxer. I was going with with Rocky. Stallone. I was going with Stallone. Check your score

cards guys. Oh because he was nominated too that's smart I didn't even think of that but yes Mickey Rourke is filming a movie

in Argentina he goes down to visit Monzo he's a big boxing guy he had a few kind of half-assed pro bouts

Mickey Rourke and he claims he's a badass and a boxer if you saw Sim City he's pretty badass in that movie okay

well he had some boxing matches, and he wanted to talk shop with Monzo. So he brought the film crew from the film set to come and preserve the whole thing, because he was super proud of it, and he was going to talk to him about everything. And he talked Monzo into sparring with him in the prison gym.

He went to the jail? He went to the jail. He went to the prison and said, dude, let's go a couple rounds. Come on, come on. So he said, yeah, sure. He's in prison for beating somebody. And also, he is 50 years old at this point, too.

Mickey Rourke is in his prime. Mickey Rourke doesn't look like what he does now. This is 1993. So Mickey Rourke's not in his prime because he was a disaster physically, but he's still in better shape than a 50-year-old who smokes five packs a day. It's also not the face that Mickey Rourke has now.

Mickey Rourke has now. No. Mickey Rourke's face is a little more surgically fucked up now. There might be a reason for that because basically the first left that Monzone landed,

he knocked Rourke out cold. Awesome. Knocked him out cold with the first landed left hand. That is amazing. Not even his right. He just left and he knocked his ass out cold.

He said, you're not a boxer, asshole. That's what he did. Because he probably went in there and he's like, I fight and I get blah, blah, blah. He's like, oh yeah, you fight, okay.

I'll spar with you, sure. I'm in the Hall of Fame, sir. I am a world champion middleweight. I won 80 straight fights, you dickhead. 70 straight fights. That's amazing. Even the best part of it all,

the crew sold stills of it out to the public. So if you look for it you can probably find i'm gonna find that stills of mickey rourke out fucking cold that's gonna be my facebook picture as much as i hate monzone and i think he's a douchebag and i can't fucking stand him i have to say for mickey rourke at this point because film career is in the toilet what's the only thing worse is if the shwarma man popped into the gym, stood over him like Debo on Friday and said, How is it you've come to arrive here?

Why are you here? Why are you here? Sunset closed. Do you hear anything? What? You want shwarma? I make for you. Fine, but you come now. Business hour. Do you hear anything? What? You want shawarma? I make for you. Fine.

But you come now. Business hour. Business hour. Give me money. The sign say closed. Sign say closed. How is it you've come to arrive here? Why?

Why are you here? And then he woke up and said, I'd like a lamb shawarma, please. Sorry. Had to do that one. He's got the lamb rotisserie going around his head so Erusta here says of Carlos

in jail this is by the way Mickey Rourke fresh out of like Marlboro Man in the end remember that movie Harley Davidson

in the Marlboro Man yeah that's about that time he thought he was tough he thought he was great he's like I jumped off a hotel roof into a swimming pool I can take a punch take a left hand from a middleweight champ asshole. Arustas

says of him in jail, quote, he was another man. When he was champion, he was like a king or a lion. He used to walk in that way that made him look important. In jail, he was nothing. The man who used to give orders to people was now a man who said yes sir yes sir yes it's a sad story oh boy he just went down he gets paroled to where he's going to be early released this is in late 94 he's going to be released in late 95 midnight i think august of 95 they're going to release him so what they start doing in 94 is they start letting him out on furlough on the weekends to see his family and children and also to uh to run a boxing thing for kids he does a boxing trying to acclimate him back into society yeah they're well they're trying to get some use out of him basically too so

he is january 8th 1995 he's he's coming back to los flores Prison after a weekend furlough, and he is in a countryside road. He has two friends with him, also a Geronimo Motora and an Alicia Guadalupe Sacia. And it's a small town about 300 miles north of Buenos Aires, and he is driving a Renault, which is a shitty car. Yeah. He's driving a Renault. I don't know if they make nice Renaults. They might. I have no idea. They do not. But he basically loses control of the car on the road.

The car flips and rolls. He's tossed 50 meters from the car. Amazing. They find him dead in a ditch. What? He's killed. Geronimo Motora is killed. And the Alicia Guadalupe Cesia was badly, badly injured in the accident

amazing he's fucking dead it's over it's over Carlos is dead just before he's about to get out of prison he had six more months

in jail and he dies in this car accident he was looking forward to punching bitches and it is over it's over for him man basically

Erusta says on his legacy quote on one hand there was a group who considered him a murderer and they crucified him And basically, Arusta says on his legacy, quote, On one hand, there was a group who considered him a murderer, and they crucified him. There were others who, on the sporting side, saw him as a great champion and as someone who looked after his family and cared about them. Unless he was killing them. Yeah.

That's my thing, not his. He always maintained that he couldn't remember what happened that night with Alicia. When I got to his funeral in Santa Fe, people sang Go Champion for the people of Santa, Go Champion. For the people of Santa Fe, he isn't a murderer. Aside from those horrendous events, he is Monceau and the world champion. So aside from wife killing and beating and being a general menace to society. Aside from being a garbage man. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. No problem. It's unreal.

And you know how many people were at his funeral? 30,000. 30,000. There's pictures of it. You can't... The streets are packed. Packed. You can't move

with the casket going down the middle of the street. It's insane. Like the king died. He got an Ollie burial. It's fucking amazing. Oh, absolutely.

It's insane. He's a hero in that country. In 1995, his new attorney, not the one we talked to before, a guy named Juan Jose Nitri, who was his attorney from 1987 until he died, said he, quote, never had much money, which I don't understand that. Maybe by 87 he didn't. I said at the time of his death he had less than $100,000 which is why he was driving a Renault. Yeah.

Now if you love this guy and can't get enough of him you can get some memorabilia of him. Millcreeksports.com you can get the August 8th 1977 issue of Sports Illustrated

autographed by Monzone for $349. It was fucking expensive. That is steep as fuck. Yeah. It's the title of the it says in magazine, Monzone the Magnificent. Oh, God. It's pretty cool if you're Carlos Monzone.

Yeah. Heavyweightcollectibles.com. You can get an 8x10 autographed picture of Monzone for $110. Dude, this is steep shit. You can get a 4-DVD, 10-fight DVD set for $13.95 at BoxingWholesale.com. You want to watch them fight. That's the cheapest thing we've got. They're all on YouTube. Just watch them on YouTube. Now, a year after his funeral,

after he dies, they erect a Rocky Monument statue of him in Santa Fe. Are you kidding me? He has a big, him smiling with a belt on and fists on his head, looking like a champ. Statues of women at his feet. They should have statues of like crumbled women at his feet.

And like a gunshot wound bleeding out of his arm. But they don't. So he's that kind of a hero there where they have a goddamn statue in the town of him. A huge one. Unbelievable. It's not a little statue. It's not a lawn gnome. It's a fucking rocky statue.

That's incredible. And above all, of course, the thing that you want to be, there is an entry in the Urban Dictionary for Carlos Monzón, but it's not funny. There's nothing like Urban Dictionary about it. Not even funny. There's nothing there that's funny, but there's nothing like explanatory. It just says, quote,

one of the greatest middleweight boxers of all time went undefeated in his last 80 fights and unfortunately passed away in a car accident. That's the fucking Urban Dictionary entry. What is that? So that disappointed the balls off of me. There's not even some fucking goofy, like, you're a real Carlos Monzon.

Nothing? Nothing. Guys, that's Carlos Monzon. Holy shit, that was a lot to get through. He's a blast. Wow, was that fun. I'm glad he's dead. I'm glad he's dead, too.

For women's sake. Less women to be beaten by him. And, you know, I'm not a... Look, I support feminists. I want you to be beaten by him. And, you know, I'm not a... Look, I support feminists. I want you to be equal, but I... I'd like you to not get punched in the face, generally.

First and foremost. Everything else, too. People like him solve that problem. They shut up the girls that are just all gung-ho. For... Apparently this case... I hate feminism in that case. Ugh, it's horrible. Ugh. Apparently this case... I hate feminism in that case. Well, this case actually brought domestic violence

as made it a big issue in Argentina where actually they started... Giving battered women a voice. Before that, it was like, it was a macho thing. It was el macho to punch your wife in the mouth. To blast your wife. That was totally fine. That's why he would get on the stand and say,

yeah, I beat all my women. Awesome. In the US, you would never do that in 1989 or 1979. Short of 1949 you wouldn't do that.

Maybe back then. Even then, probably it was a little shady. But this was finally being considered like, okay, not allowed,

not cool to hit women anymore. So this actually brought about some decent societal change. But anyway, that's Carlos Monzón. I hope you guys enjoyed him. Holy shit. What a blast.

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