Crime in Sports - #359 - Not In Favor Of Pregnancy - Jerrod Mustaf

Episode Date: June 13, 2023

This week, we look at a man who had very large aspirations, but didn't quite have the talent to make them a reality. He was raised to be strong, and politically active, but he may have taken the "strength" part a little too seriously. He's had numerous accusations of violence, usually against women, who are usually pregnant. Finally, he is "allegedly" tangled in the murder plot of a woman, who was pregnant with his baby, that hangs over his head, to this very day! Have your father want you to be aborted, grow tall enough that he takes an interest in you, then go through decades with murder accusations directly following any mention of your name with Jerrod Mustaf!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It is another Phoenix Sun. here it is um another phoenix sun i was telling jimmy before i said we got another sun another early 90s sun which he was naming off the multitudes of guys because there's guys on the suns we haven't even gotten to yet cliff robinson kevin johnson we've done barkley oliver miller richard dumas so many of these guys i remember this one already and now we're gonna do a different one here yeah jared mustaf right yes that's right yep uh jared mustaf here he is uh is it gerard or gerard jared i guess it's gerard who fucking knows it's mustaf gerard i think it's gerard actually now that i think about it his first name is actually tara t-e-R-R-A-H. Oh. Tara, Tara Gerard Mustaf.

But he's also Tara Gerard Brown. Okay. Because his dad changed his name to Mustaf, as we'll talk about. Okay. Yeah. So he's born October the 28th, 1969. Is that right? 1969.

Yeah. Well, I mean, he played in the early 90s. It makes sense. That's when he was in his early 20s. I guess. Yeah, you're just older, so that sounds... No, Gerard Mustapha can't be that old. That would make me old, too. It just feels so old.

It feels old. Then he's from Whiteville, North Carolina. That's where he's from, which I think that probably gives you a pretty good idea of what's going on there. Yeah. They did that on purpose. Yeah, I think so. That's a warning to y'all. Yeah. He's a big guy, by the way. For some reason,

I thought of him as a small forward. 6'10"? Yeah, he's a 6'10". He was a center, right? Yeah, he's a center, powerful. I mean, a small center. 6'10 center. But that's what the Suns were running with in the early days. Mark West wasn't a fucking drop over 6'10. And that's where he was playing. So he's about 240 when he grows up here.

He goes to a couple different schools. Goes to school in Maryland, though. Goes to a Catholic school called DeMatha Catholic. We'll talk about all of that stuff. Yeah, that's his high school. And he went to Maryland for college that we'll talk about. Let's find out where he came from. What soil grew this tall tree from whence it sprung?

His father's name is Shaar, or Shaar, Mustaf, S-H-A-A-R, Mustaf. But he changed it to that when he converted to Islam. So I don't know how you say it. There's probably an apostrophe in there somewhere, too, right? Yeah. No, there isn't, actually. It's just Shahar. Just S-H-A-A-R?

Yeah. But I bet it's Shahar, I'm thinking, for some reason. The mother's name is Lily Mae Brown. Yeah. So, yeah. She didn't change her name. So now Shahar was born in Whiteville. That's where he's from, too, in 1944. Yeah, she didn't change her name. So now Char was born in Whiteville.

That's where he's from, too, in 1944. His name originally is Richard McDonald. Yeah, but that doesn't sound very... Dickie Mac. You don't want to be Dickie Mac. So I'm going with Char Mustaf. That sounds way cooler than Dickie Mac over here. Dick McDonald? No, thank you.

That's just a rejected name for Ronald. Like when they were coming up, they were like, we need like a mascot. How about a clown? Yeah, kids love clowns. All right, that's good. What do we call him? I don't know.

Frankie. How about Frankie? Frankie, what is he? Fucking Guinea clown? We can't have that. How about Dick? What about Dick McD? What about Dickie McD, we call him,

and we, you know, send him out there. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. How about Ronald? I guess Ronald McDonald. It rhymes. Sure, fine. Fuck it.

Jesus Christ. I think Richard was originally the name, though. Unbelievable. So two days after graduating from high school, dad here, Char, he leaves the family farm and heads north, getting the fuck out of Whiteville, North Carolina immediately took a day to pack and left the day after that gone

and he went to Detroit first which that was a lot of migration of black people from the south would be to industrial cities because there's jobs in Detroit in the 60s you go to Detroit you get a job oh boy auto workers turning out cars and um then he ends up in newark after that oh god yeah he

goes there i guess he's talking about his dad and gerard gerard will talk about it too his dad had some didn't like the town he came from his sister when he was 13. He says his sister was raped by an older white man and nobody did anything about it. So that made him upset. That's fucked up. And he says that his mother had been now. I don't know when she died, but this is I'll read exactly what it says. That same year, his ailing mother had been passed up by an ambulance

because she was black and they didn't pick up black people in this ambulance what and it says sometime later she died i don't know if that means later in the day like she died because they didn't pick her up or 10 years later she died and had nothing to do with that particular medical episode i'm not sure but either way she died 10 years later of that particular because nobody would pick her up there's a lot of options she's still waiting for it yeah it's been 10 years guys it's really manifested into something bad here either way tell a little bit better story with that sentence either yeah and it makes you understand two days after graduation i'm getting out of here so yeah he returned though after a few years realizing that

the education he got in high school basically he said he couldn't get a job with it couldn't do anything so he left again and uh was upset after that so he comes back he leaves again in the late 60s he's upset and uh he said he hated North Carolina and was never going back there again. By then, he was in the Black Panthers by then, so he wasn't going to live in Whiteville, North Carolina. No. So he says he never joined them, but he was always hanging around with them and doing shit with them. Shahar? Yeah.

I don't know if he's not an official. He changed his name, but no membership. That's just Muslim, though. He changed to Islam. You don't have to be a Black Panther if you're Islam. I mean, Muhammad Ali wasn't a Black Panther. Great point. Plenty of people from back then.

But if you're hanging around with people all the time, if you're hanging out at the Hell's Angel bar, and you're always going to the Hell's Angel parties, and you go on all the runs, and you do all that, and people go, you're with the Hell's Angels. You go, well, I never joined them. But you're with going to the Hell's Angel parties, and you go on all the runs, and you do all that, and people go, you're with the Hell's Angels. You go, well, I never joined them. But you're with them all the time. No, we're not jacking or anything. Who are all your friends? A bunch of Hell's Angels.

Okay, that's what we're talking about. Jesus Christ. You're involved. They trust you. Yeah. So he said, though, that Shar, the name, is Muslim for one who sets his own standards. That's what he says his name means. And Mustaf stands for endurance.

Yeah, that's what he said. So dad said, quote, I had a Christian upbringing where you were taught to love everyone. But I felt anger and hatred. I wanted to challenge the world. And there I was doing all this big talking without a nickel. Okay. So I don't know what the money would have to do with it but

I mean if you have ideas you don't really have to have money to Your ideas are only good if they make money. You gotta have money behind them I guess. So he was 28 when he conceived his son here when he got one Fertilized the egg.

Slipped one past the goalie here. Brief relationship with Lily Mae. Not a big, they weren't in a long-term type of thing. No, no, not married. They just had a brief relationship. She's also a woman from Whiteville, a couple years younger than Char. And she had gone to the Washington, D.C. area. And this wasn't like a relationship. Neither of them were planning on, I hope he asks me to marry him, D.C. area, and this wasn't like a relationship.

Neither of them were planning on, I hope he asks me to marry him or any of that shit. Lily became pregnant. Now, Char was already married at this point when he knocked up Lily here. He asked Lily to please, kindly, would you please have an abortion? That would just be a lot more convenient for me. That would solve a lot of that would solve a whole lot and when you get to the end of this episode you're gonna go you know what char was right not to be a dick but i think char had a point fucking in 1968 back then jesus it probably was a i mean this when you when you hear spent when you hear the whole story you you're going to go, hmm.

Yeah, that's... Char certainly had a point. So she didn't want to have an abortion. Obviously, she didn't have one or we wouldn't be doing this episode. She moved back to Whiteville instead. And, you know, he's born Gerard in 1969. And her family is sharecroppers. That's how he comes up.

This is what Char said about the whole thing. Quote, I was not in favor of the pregnancy. Now, I have never heard it put that way. Have you? No. I wasn't in favor of the pregnancy. It's hilarious. That's what people say about it.

I wasn't in favor of moving to the next town or something i was against it i was against it i was actively actively rooting against my sperm but you know what they defied me i came out against it's not in favor of the pregnancy is hilarious that's a very political answer i wasn't in favor of a couple either. Sir, where do you stand on your mistress's pregnancy? I'm not in favor of it. That's all I'll say on the record. Senator, Senator. I oppose.

I will oppose this with the full power of my office. I'm lobbyist. Wow. That's hilarious. I was not in favor of the pregnancy. I voted down that bill. The name of this episode is going to be not in favor of pregnancy. It has to be.

It has to be because this is hilarious. And also, Gerard will follow in his footsteps, as we'll find out. Oh, shit. He says, quote, I was hostile, confused, anti-system, and trying to discover who I was. The last thing on my mind was a child. He was working as a bus driver for Greyhound at the time. Okay.

Not thinking about knocking anybody up. He says, no shit. Gerard said when he was a kid, he remembered in the summer picking tobacco and blueberries. Oh, God. He'd get picked up by a truck at 5 a.m. and drop back off at noon after picking tobacco and blueberries. Seven hours of that shit. That's sharecropping. That's rough for very little money.

He says, this is what Gerard says here, quote, This wasn't something we wanted to do. It was a necessity and a way of life for his family and many others in the South. He said, so that's the way it was. A lot has changed in recent times, but turn back the clock 50 years. The South was a different world for African-Americans. Yes, it was. Yeah.

the South was a different world for African-Americans. Yes, it was. Yeah. He says he lived there for 13 years, and he says that it's where he grew up in North Carolina. And he said he likes the gatherings and all that. They do big family reunions, so that's always fun, and everybody comes to a farm that they all go to. Yeah. So he leaves there after the seventh grade, though, goes to live in Maryland with his father and his stepmother.

Is that right? Yeah. His dad. So Char has he's now in favor. Now that the kid's like 12, 13, I'm in favor of it now. He's got to look this failed abortion in the eye. He's got to go, son, I I beg to have you eliminated, but here you are. I was not in favor of you.

Not in favor of you. To see you standing before me now, still not a big fan, but we're going to make this work. He's got his dad and his stepmother, Gwen, which doesn't sound like a name of a lady who Char would be married to. No. This is Gwen. Hi. She's like a blonde lady with lady who Char would be married to. No. This is Gwen. Hi. She's like a blonde lady with big hair. That's what I picture.

Maybe because that's the name of that church lady with the big blonde hair. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's what it is. The way down. Yeah. Even though this whole thing, he had a problem. His mom was upset that he was leaving. His mom didn't want him to go live with his dad.

So it was a problem there, and him and his mom were not getting along as well after that, but he always made, always went back to go to the big family reunion there and know everybody. He says, quote, this is Sherrod. My father watched his grandfather call a six year old Caucasian boy.

Mr. When in public, this was very hard for my father to stomach and accept. My father went to an all-black school they didn't have a football team the sport of football didn't speak to african-americans it was non-existent my father experienced racism my father's sister was raped by a white man and there was nothing the family could do about it during that time and era in the south so yeah it's tough that's why a lot of people left the south you know back then

that was a big deal so um char i guess char didn't wasn't around for the first seven years of gerard's life he basically ignored him never came you know he wasn't in favor as we know so um then once he started getting bigger and once he was 13 and he was huge and people started looking at him for basketball, they're all like, oh, now you're interested in him. Now that he's six foot seven and fucking 13, you're interested in him. So Char, during that time, while he was not being with his son, Char fathers four daughters by four different women. Is that right? Yeah. And they said that he showed basically no interest in them either.

I mean, it wasn't like he was taking care of them. He didn't give a shit about them either. Yeah. Feels like Char's kind of a coxswain. Oh, yeah. No, Char gets around. Yeah. And we'll talk.

Gerard has a quote later on here pretty soon about what kind of a smooth operator his dad was. His dad was his dad was like a cool suave dude back in the early 70s yeah yeah he had like he talks about he had like a cool fro and like the way he way he purported himself yeah he's a bad motherfucker so brandy or some shit yeah yeah sipping cognac and shit yeah i think he was like being cool and shit so he's raised by his mom and stepfather for a while there, Gerard. But Char gets back into his son's life and

his father saw him as he said that his son would be a good part of for the Black Liberation Army. He'll be good for that. And he said that basketball can help pay for that. He can pay for political things with a basketball career because he's tall.

So that was his dad's. Get you into basketball and you will be the activist financialist. That was his dad's kind of plan here in the beginning, which is a real long game you're playing for a 12-year-old. Sure, fuck. So at 12, Gerard spent a summer in Maryland with his father and went to a basketball camp run by a coach of a college team here. So a year later, his father got the mom to send him to Maryland permanently. His mom was separated from Gerard's stepfather. So there were some problems in the home life there.

So the mother said, fine, you know, you got a stable situation going on. That's fine. So when he got there, he would his dad was on strike from Greyhound when he got to Maryland. Oh, so he would just hang out with his dad walking picket lines when he first got there. Oh, Jesus. At 12. And Char said that he would take his son to the union meetings to hear the speeches and everything. Yeah.

And Char said, quote, he was in training. He was being trained about the struggle. Maybe I shouldn't have done it, but I had in my mind what kind of son I wanted him to be. I wanted him to replace me. I wanted him to carry the torch. I never talked with him about basketball. He was in the battle line. Jesus. Yeah, that's that's

called trying to live through vicariously through your son i'd like my i've chosen my son's path for him before he's even fucking knows what's going on is an asshole thing to do yeah no matter how great of a path it is if you said i've chosen my son's path i'm a harvard alum and he's gonna go here and he's gonna go doesn't matter maybe he doesn't want to do that it's the same shit yeah it's not good so his mother tried to get him to come back to north carolina gerard not char and she drove to maryland with her mother gerard's grandmother he got in the car but then jumped out and ran away didn't want to go back right yeah i didn't want to go back he stayed yeah yeah because I don't want a summer of picket lines. Yeah.

Well, no, no. He stayed in Maryland to be on the picket lines. Oh, he did? He didn't want to go back with his mom to North Carolina. Mom picked him up to come home. Yes, and he jumped out of the car and ran away. Wasn't interested in it. So he ends up having a complicated relationship with his mother like that from then on.

They kind of grow apart, and his father and his stepmother become the people he's close to. His mother said, there was a time he could wrap me around his little finger. Now I don't think about him. I don't have a whole lot of feelings. I'm numb. I forgot I ever had a baby.

The look on your face was amazing right there. You're like, what? i've never heard of that before forgot i had a baby you hear women like that wow it's got a it's got a sting though that he chose picket lines over over our life but it's not like you i could see like if you gave the baby up when it was a baby or something but you raised him for 12 years how do you right you should be she just said fuck that fuck him i'm not interested i'm not in favor i've changed my mind i changed my stance i'm now not in favor of this pregnancy oh man you could go on the way back and fix this. Fix this shit. She really understands the battle and the arguments about wanting to go find baby Hitler. Yeah, she does.

She wants to go, yeah, take him out. We have to do it organized. Yeah, she knows. I want to do mine also. A lot of time machine stuff, yeah. How about me too? Can we hit 69 before we get back to the 20s? Have Dahmer stop here on his way back to the on his way back okay

get him another tender morsel we get it Hitler first but then on the way back grab this guy okay so Jesus that's that's as good as when the one got thrown in the bad bin the bad bin with him I don't remember who that was olden polonies yeah olden polonies got thrown in the bad bin so he stayed in maryland though and he's off and it's actually turns out to be a good move for him education wise because there's more more options in maryland and he's offered a scholarship for basketball to da dematha um i guess is the name of it's a catholic school so it's a high school or a college it's a high school or is that a college? It's a high school.

Yeah. And that's a lot of these kids, basketball kids, if you've ever seen like Hoop Dreams and shit like that, the path is through these prep schools. A lot of times they're Catholic schools that have like these programs where they'll recruit basketball players because they're private schools. So they have more money. There's tuition. There's tuition, yeah, unless you're playing basketball well and then right do you get scholarships and shit like that so he got a scholarship to here and these are college prep high schools so you are in a much better position these are this is where this is where all of your nba players used to come from this

was the the path it was here and then through college and then NBA. But now it's different. Now it's a whole other thing. Now there's video. So you can see some kid that's 17 fucking dunking on people at some public school somewhere and he'll get interest. Different story. So he does all of that. His father insisted, though, even though he had a job or a scholarship, his father insisted that he also also hold a job so he demanded that gerard also work in the school kitchen as well even though he had a scholarship and didn't have to work in the school kitchen so gerard said quote people thought i was

oh no he said char said people thought i was crazy but i wanted to set the stage i wanted him to be a whole person this sounds great in theory and if we didn't know the results were so terrible i'd say this is actually i like the i like that he's instilling that and yeah give it a work ethic and don't think you're special also right you know what i mean what the fuck you think you're just because you're tall that you're better than everybody else you can also wash some dishes hunch over that sink tall man you know so don't forget to sanitize that yeah that's yeah no fuck man so gerard said about his father quote this is good he was like a true black panther he said he never joined so that's i mean when someone described when your son describes you with the

first sentence like a true black panther yeah kind of you're you're there um like a true black panther yeah it's kind of you're you're there um like a true black black panther he had an afro leather jacket was the epitome of cool and just so self-aware in the world we live in from an intellectual perspective the conversations i had with him growing up when i visited him in maryland made me realize i had to get out of whiteville north carolina and learn more about the outside world outside of the southern walls. So, yeah. So he ended up doing that. Like we said, he ended up, Gerard ended up moving with his dad for a while to the New

York, New Jersey area as well. Really? New York City area. And he said that he used to go to Harlem all the time to purchase books from people on the street because they would have like all the political activism books and that was a big deal. Gerard said, quote, all the reading and talks with my father changed my perspective on life in the world.

My father would cut out articles and I'd read the newspaper every morning. When I got home, there were more articles to read and then he'd quiz me on all the current events. That's cool. The books that changed my world were Message to the Black Man by Elijah Muhammad and the Autobiography of Malcolm X written with Alex Haley, who wrote Roots.

The game changer for my father was the words, papers, and speeches of Malcolm X, which revolutionized the 60s movement and galvanized him and athletes like Muhammad Ali and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who were socially active in their own unique way. My father was able to dedicate himself to what he believed in for the last 25 years of his remarkable life on Earth. So he really keeps his father on a pedestal. You can hear it in the words he chooses.

And the works that he's discussing are motivational and positive works. They don't represent his father as a nuisance. I don't know. What's the word I'm looking for? Yeah. Well, I mean, we're not going to get into the fucking politics of the 60s because, number one, we weren't there. And number two, it's 60 years old. So it's pretty irrelevant at this point.

It's nice. It's painting a picture of a happy childhood. That's what I mean, where he respects his father. He respects his father's intelligence. And the thing is, he sees Gerard, unlike a lot of athletes that we talk about, sees intelligence as a commodity. He sees it as something that's important. It's not just like,

man, fuck that shit. Can I dunk a book? Fuck it then. I don't care. Well, we see that all the time with these guys. I don't fucking care about that. That's not going to help me.

I'm a basketball player. I'm a boxer. I'm whatever the fuck. Can't run fast by reading War and Peace. Yeah, that doesn't help me at all. Gerard recalls, quote, he says this, growing up in North Carolina,

the UNC Tar Heels was my favorite college team and they just won the NCAA National Championship versus the University of Georgetown. He said, my mother bought me a whole bunch of UNC Tar Heels apparel and I was repping my Carolina baby blue with pride. Here I am getting off the Greyhound bus and my father takes one look at me and says,

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You don't get awarded that. Well, I mean, there was no like, they didn't like, no ambulance ran by him. That's just, guys played a game and that team lost. So it's not. And he wasn't even on the fucking court. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So that's a, can't blame somebody for that. The dissertation was not to belittle me, but to open my eyes and my mind to the purpose of supporting a brand versus wearing it because it's cool or to be like others in my area who are sporting it.

Which is a good thing to tell your kid. Look, look at what's behind shit. Don't just look at, oh, that's cool because my friend wears it or because those, yeah. That might represent a trophy, but it also, to me, because I grew up there and I've seen some bad shit, the words North Carolina represent something else. Yeah, that's fine. Well, it's good to look into shit. Look into your brand and that's, oh, don't like them.

They support this, and I supported that. Or they went to, you know, after World War II, it was don't buy this because they supported Hitler. You know what I mean? Shit like that. Balenciaga or whatever the fuck that is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know the name of it either. Shit I can't afford.

Shit I wouldn't buy anyway. I was going to say, and wouldn't buy it no matter what anyway because I don't even know name of it either. Shit I can't afford. Shit I wouldn't buy anyway. I was going to say, and wouldn't buy it no matter what anyway, because I don't even know how to fucking pronounce it. So I wouldn't know where to look for it, how to find it. I don't know where the fuck that is. I don't know if it has a store. No, I don't go to stores like that. God, no.

I don't go to stores like that. Is it on Amazon? I don't know. Yeah, that's the thing. Fuck it. I don't know. I don't know. And again, there's another one.

Is there a mall that sells that? Can I find that? Like, if I can't get it on Amazon, is there a mall that I can get that in? There are all these brands. Everything sucks, all right? Fucking Jesus. It seems like one of those stores you'd pass by and you'd go, I don't want to go in there. Oh, God.

Yeah, it's one of those stores that has like 12 things and you're like, how do they afford rent? You go, is that a furniture store that sells like four shirts? What's in there? There's a lot of couches and shit, but I see like eight hangers. How do they afford their rent? One shirt pays their rent? Is that what you're saying? We did that one day in LA.

We walked up and down, and we were just like, how is this a store? What is going on in there? Yeah, you've got 11 things. How do you do this? going on in there yeah you've got 11 things how are you 11 shirts and like five tall blonde models standing around that all work there to look at 11 shirts and there's nobody in there shopping how the fuck is this a store and i've never paid these people yeah it's not like a big brand i've heard of and that's there's i've never even heard of these fucking brands too i'm like what's happening so this feels like a front the scary part is one of those shirts, if they sell one of those, every three days they can pay the rent because they're so goddamn expensive.

That's how expensive those fucking shirts are. So, yeah, he talks about that. And later on, though, the funny part is this is when he's like 13, 14. When he starts getting recruited for colleges, there's Dean Smith sitting in his living room after that, which is funny. So Gerard wanted to be in the ACC, that conference in college basketball, because he knew all the teams and watched the games. And that's where he's from and shit, and it's close to home. And so he wanted to do that. He wanted to either go to D.C. or Atlanta.

He said that both cities were progressive cities for African-Americans. They were historic civil rights movements in the state of Georgia. He said, I love the head coach of Georgia Tech, Bobby Cremins, and personally knew a lot of the players on the team. But the University of Maryland became a big deal there because, you know, he got a lot of local pressure to go there yeah i think is what that's what happens a lot of times he said he found himself playing with him and his friends would be playing at the university of maryland gymnasium because the coach gave them access to it so he ended up talking to people like adrian branch and len bias oh wow he met before he died obviously uh. Uh, he says,

Gerard said, quote, being around those guys made me realize how much harder I had to work to achieve the talent and success of those university of Maryland basketball elites on the flip side, playing against them gave me the confidence to compete against the teens. My age with no problem. Well,

yeah, if you're 13 and you have Len bias dunking on you, it's going to seem a lot easier to play. You know, you have the number one draft pick dunking on you. It's going to be easier. I mean, it's easier to dunk on the paperboy. Yeah, it's going to be a little bit easier. So colleges started recruiting him.

His father devised a questionnaire for the colleges. Is that right? Flipped the process. Yeah, flipped the the script which is i've heard of a lot of athletes doing that and teams usually like that actually yeah they like because i heard that was what peyton manning did is that right when he was being doing all the interviews them interviews when he sat down with the cults the cult said they had talked to a bunch of guys and you know you asked them all these questions it's an interview he said peyton manning

sits down opens up a briefcase. None of these players had a fucking briefcase. So he opens up a briefcase, takes out a notebook, and starts grilling them. And you only have 15 minutes with the players. He said the whole 15 minutes was him asking us questions. We never asked him one question. Wow. He said it was all him interviewing us.

And then it was like, all right, thank you, bye. And we're like, fascinating. OK, that was weird. So they like that kind of shit, though. They had to list in this questionnaire the number of black people in the athletic department and the number of black coaches and black faculty members, the amount of business the university did with black people and black businesses, et cetera. So they ended up picking Maryland. They have a black head coach and Bob Wade. And they said, uh,

quote during the recruitment process, I had the pleasure of meeting John Slaughter, who was the first African-American chancellor in the ACC with the university of Maryland. The other piece to the puzzle was the relationship and respect my family had with the university of Maryland head coach, Bob Wade. So he said he liked Bob Wade. He was kind of an inner city guy and, you know, down to earth guy that could relate to the players.

And, you know, they liked him. He had put together high school teams from 1981 to 83 that went 60 and 0. Jesus. Yeah, that's how. He's a good coach. He also had Muggsy Bogues and David Wingate and Reggie Lewis and a bunch of players coming through. David Wingate and Bogues played together in college? No, this is over high school.

Oh, in high school. Is that right? Over that two-year period, yeah. So he also said, quote, as an added bonus, my parents built a rapport with Bob and his wife. He also said, quote, as an added bonus, my parents built a rapport with Bob and his wife. From a socially conscious side, I was talking to the University of Maryland about allowing a group of students from the inner city to come to the games. This was especially for the kids that couldn't financially afford to attend the games but loved hoops. So he went there just as much for kind of the social and political aspect of it than basketball. You know what I'm saying?

So which, again, these are all things we would say normally. for kind of the social and political aspect of it than basketball. You know what I'm saying? Which, again, these are all things we would say normally this is good. It seems like a great choice. It's unlike our – normally our athletes are like, I hear the girls got the biggest tits at that school, and then they go there, literally. I went there because I heard they had the most boos and the biggest tits and the loosest pussies. You know what I mean?

I look for a loose one. I don't care. You know what I'm saying? I want a real loose one I could pussies. You know what I mean? Like, I look for a loose one. I don't care. You know what I'm saying? I want a real loose one I can dive on into. That's what I like. Call me weird. The people, they call me weird. My friends don't get it, but you know what I'm about.

Yeah. So he says he goes to Maryland, and then after a minute, while he's a freshman, it's already in the newspaper, and the Baltimore Sun, quote, freshman's father says son may consider transfer. Oh, really? Already, yeah, at the end of the first season. They said there's mistrust among members of the University of Maryland basketball team, and that's what compounded their problems on the court. on the court. Mustaf said he wouldn't name the individuals or cite examples,

but said, quote, when guys are talking behind people's backs, when it comes down to who's saying this or who's saying that, you can't really be together. Why would there be any sort of gossip at all? I don't know. Well, that's the thing of it doesn't matter because that's usually where the coach steps in and goes and fucking deads that shit. Shut the fuck up. That's his job

to keep all these absolutely x's and o's or whatever i mean that's that's important in college basketball but most of the time in most sports the head coach's main job is to keep people's heads out of their asses that's their job hurting children not hurting hurting hurting them in a yeah motivating keeping them in a direction together. Squashing beefs. That's what their job is a lot. It's a babysitter almost. So apparently there's a huge problem with them.

They sucked this year. They went 8-19 when they went into the, they were just awful basically. They were terrible. They are losing in tournaments. Not doing well here. So they said, Mustaf, or there's a senior guard as well, they don't know if they're going to play in this tournament game. Mustaf has a bruised right knee, and he's limping around. He said, I've had injuries before, but nothing this major.

I'm not going to risk further damage. I've got a future to worry about. Yeah, it's a bruised knee. It's not a ligament or anything like that. Yeah, it's one of those things where, you know, if you can play through it, you play through it. But if he's considering transferring anyway, he's, you know, I'm not going to kill myself for this team.

Yeah. So they were wondering whether he'll be, you know, if he's going to be here. His father has said in the USA, he told people that he was planning on talking. His dad said he was planning on talking with the Maryland athletic director about a lack of support for the program from the administration and that maybe his son will transfer, which is fucking interesting. which is fucking interesting. His dad said, quote, right now we don't know what to expect, but the least the administration can do, in my mind,

is to give the guys some more support. Okay? So he's, by the way, a bailiff, his dad, at the Prince George's County Courthouse at the moment. Is that right? Yeah, so that's what he's doing. He has run some wild jobs. Yeah, he always was working, though. He's always finding some way to make ends meet.

He said, quote, I would say that depends on what the athletic director tells us, whether he stays here or not. I'm not trying to run Bob Wade's team. I'm not trying to direct Mr. Perkins' administration. Let's say he, meaning the athletic director Perkins, decides to fire Bob Wade. We would definitely evaluate the situation and talk with him about the firing. Gerard chose a school in an area of the country he wanted to play in, but he also chose to play for a coach. Gerard said, I can't base my whole decision on whether coach Wade is here or not. He might get a better job and leave.

Sounds like they don't really care if the coach is there. They're not fans. Yeah. I guess there was an internal review by the university, and they were talking about possible recruiting violations among members of the coaching staff, and that's where this all came from. And Gerard said, you can't just have these kinds of distractions. I'd hate to play under conditions like these again.

So, yeah. It's a mess. That's yeah. It's a mess. That's interesting. That's not good. Now, if he doesn't want to do this, there is an ad in the newspaper right below it for something better. So if you're in North Carolina in 1989 or so, and you're not liking what your college head coach is doing

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This is awesome. You useless son of a bitch. You useless fuck. Call the Barkley Career School today. Financial aid available. So sign up for that if you're, I don't know, looking to... Useless piece of shit. If you're looking to not be able to get a job but pay a lot of money for nothing.

So that year, let's talk about on the court here, Gerard, he ends up playing 32.6 minutes a game, which is a lot. So, I mean, right away, as a freshman, they throw him right into the fire here. I mean, that's a starter playing heavy minutes. 14 14.3 points 7.8 rebounds a game which hey this is a freshman he's a freshman playing in the acc too so he's playing against big competition and you know real real players yeah top guys top schools are playing against unc and you know things like that also he's a little distracted that year as well. Well, he had a little bit of an incident here in which he's involved in what's described as a, quote, physical confrontation with his girlfriend in a dormitory.

That's not great. According to a former Maryland official, Mustafa's father told him that the girlfriend was pregnant and um told the official and that he had interceded and convinced the woman and her family that obviously an abortion would be for the best he said excuse me i'm not in favor of this pregnancy i don't know how you feel about it but i want to quote my father i'm not in favor of it, which is fucking hilarious. Mustafa's father convinced everyone that. Is that right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Now, Jared says he acknowledges, quote, shaking the woman. What? He's like, you know, I just shook her up. Good. That's what he said, which is a Chris Rock joke from years ago. It's real. And it's real. He said he didn't know she was pregnant at the time.

His father denied there was a pregnancy after that, even though he told the University of Maryland official about this whole story, and this official talked about it later on. He said, though, he did meet with the girl's mother. Why would you meet with the girl's mother, who your son's just kind of banging at school why would you meet with her mother if there was no pregnancy so ridiculous gerard later said

quote i've had all kinds of problems with women i've seen women try all types of things wow yeah one of them later is dying he's seen a woman dry it's's just interesting. That's a new approach. Now, 89-90, he plays in 33 games, 31.8 minutes a game, 18.5 points now, 7.7 rebounds. So doing very well. He says, in college, I had no issue with speaking up or being an advocate for the student-athletes. As a family, we received hate mail and have been called a racist family. As a family, we received hate mail and have been called a racist family. The media stayed all over us to ask questions that would lead to more stories and the controversy around whatever we stood for. So, yeah, he said the university wasn't protecting him in that.

He said a lot of times what we shared was taken out of context by the writers. Is that right? Yep. He came out early, huh? Oh, yeah, way early. I mean, way fucking early because he was going to have to transfer otherwise. The school was just kind of tired of dealing with him. So he was leaving college in 90 gerard and his father created the non-profit program quote take charge juvenile diversion program inc okay short they call it the take charge program which is still around i guess years later the program was founded as a diversion program where they took

inner city kids from the court systems and detention centers and enrolled them in the program, you know, to try to do better for them. The program, I guess, later on evolved into centering around youth resistance to avoid negative behaviors and actions by, you know, don't sell drugs. That shit. So anyway, Gerard said, quote, the public schools might not have the background with behavior and social concerns. Our program allows the public schools to focus on the educational layers where we handle the other social and life skills component. To incorporate sports, we use basketball to complement the program and engage the youth enrolled. program and engage the youth enrolled. Each year, the number of students that don't go to class or get discouraged from being cut from the basketball team is a real thing.

It's one of the main reasons I created the basketball component to my Take Charge program to provide hope and a second chance for all. Gerard's a real conscientious guy, isn't he? Yeah. It's a clever pun, too. I like the wordplay of taking the charge. Taking the charge. Yeah, I know.

It's all basketball and all. It's good. It's good. Yeah. And he also will shake you. So now. She took the charge. She took the charge.

And I don't know if she had the kid, but she took the charge. So the draft is June 27th, 1990. Here it is in New York. First player, 1990 draft, Jimmy. Number one overall. He's an alumni, as a matter of fact. He is a crime and sports alum. In 1990?

Absolutely. Is it Witherspoon? I don't know. No, we never said Witherspoon. What was the other one? Chris? Derek Coleman is number one overall. Was it D.C.?

It was D.C., wearing his BKs and everything. Yeah. D.C. and his BKs. Oh, to the Clippers. To the Nets. Oh, it was the Nets. Yeah, he was the Nets, yeah. Number two overall, Hall of Famer.

Behind D.C.? Hall of Famer. Gary Payton, baby. You're close. Oh, I was close. Gary Payton. Mahmoud Abdul-Raouf, number three. Is that right? Dennis Scott, number four. Kendall Gill. Fel're close. Oh, I was close. Gary Payton, Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, number three. Is that right?

Dennis Scott, number four. Kendall Gill, Felton Spencer. Who else? Ooh, Rameel Robinson. Jesus, he's named from the past. Oh, Tim Nets, too. Yeah, Loy. No, he's Atlanta. He was on Atlanta. Loy Vaught. I remember him on the Clippers there. Oh, boy. Yeah. Jesus. Dee Brown's in that draft. 19 overall.

Is that 19? Yep. Jasoniams the one we've also done the episode on big tall jason there he's number 21 overall a lot of guys in this draft eldon campbell number 27 overall but number 17 overall by the what new york knicks choose gerard mustaf number 17 overall. Could have had Dee Brown or even Jason Williams. It was a better player, Jason Williams. They picked Gerard Mustapha, number 17. Gerard Mustapha, number 17.

It's a weak draft. It really is. Yeah, but at 17? Look at the draft. Outside of Coleman and Payton, and Abdul Raouf was a pretty goddamn good player, too. Dennis Scott's a fucking, you know, he's barely a starter. He's a sixth man Dennis Scott. He's a great three-point and

shooting sixth man, but there is not a lot of good in this draft. There really isn't. Todd Day was in that draft too. I'm looking at big men too. I mean, fuck. It's not a lot for big power forwards. He's got a lot of, they look at him as all potential too. He's only 20 years old.

Young guy. Skinny. Skinny, but doing something. And the Knicks at this point didn't need him to be a starter. No. This is when they got Charles Oakley. They just got Oakley.

They had Xavier McDaniel at this point. Patrick Ewing. He's going into a bunch of, these are a bunch of tough, these are men. A bunch of big, tough men is what he's going into. He's going into a bunch of, these are a bunch of tough, these are men. A bunch of big, tough men is what he's going into. He's going into a bar where there will be a bar fight, and he will not have to throw a punch. No, they will win quickly because these guys are huge, all of them.

So, yeah, he's drafted there, and he's very excited, obviously. Sure. Now he's going to be on the fucking roster and on the knicks too so there's new york first round draft pick on the knicks back then too you are under the microscope baby this is big time under the microscope and the knicks sucked at this point this is they were 39 and 43 here which also got them into the playoff somehow is that right under 500 was pretty weak everybody goes to the playoffs in the nba unless you're basically if you're i mean even if you're if you're around 500 you got a pretty good shot

of going to the play now it's worse james oh it's way worse oh my it's so stupid that play-in is so dumb it's so i hate that shit if you don't have the rock you don't have the record you don't make the playoff how many more how about we just say have the regular season then go never mind that let's try again and we'll just have a tournament but with all the teams you don't even make the tournament just that the worst team in the league could win it all who cares fuck it just have the commissioner pick his favorite players that are the face of the league those lottery balls and yeah just have those lottery balls come up we'll do that it doesn't matter skip all of it.

Just pick the ones you want in the playoffs. We get it. Some teams generate more money than others. Just have them. This is fucking stupid. We get it. It's a business. I'm on board.

I'm not on board, but at least I'll understand that you're being honest. Yeah, just stop lying to me. So the Knicks get swept by the bulls in the first round of the playoffs that year that was the beginning of michael jordan really taking over everything so this is the team uh jesus maurice cheeks patrick ewing greg grant stewart gray mark jackson on this team yeah charles oakley john starks man there's some talkers on this team starks fucking this is a mouthy button whoo starks jackson you got oakley to back that shit up uh kenny walker with his high and tight big old fucking eraser cut gerald

wilkins who will do an episode on that's uh dominique's brother who got arrested four times in a week a couple years ago which i didn't even think was possible is that right he pulled it off four times in one week that was wild for the hawks for the Hawks, too, didn't he? Yes, for a while. Yeah, a little while. Kiki Vanderwey. I remember him. He was very good. So Trent Tucker on this team. That's why they needed power forwards.

I mean, they had Moustaf and Charles Oakley. Those are their power forwards. Everybody else are small forwards and shit. So they needed size right now. That year, he plays in 62 games, games only starts five and doesn't do all that well let's just say 4.3 points a game and 2.7 rebounds but he's a kid and that's what they expect from him at this point so they're all right with that they're fine um he said quote i was by far one of the youngest rookies coming into the league that was filled with nothing but grown men. Could you imagine?

That's so true, too. Oh, yeah. And that league was, it's not. They were men. It was men. Those guys, I mean, you see guys. Bill Laimbeer was forearm shivering folks coming in the length. And he was a pussy.

That's the thing. He wasn't even a bitch. He wasn't even tough. Yeah. The man wore a mask. Yeah. I mean, there was guys in that league that will fuck your world up. Go fucking step to Daryl Dawkins.

I dare you. You know what I mean? There were some men. And back then, now the league is a – there's a shitload of people that are under 22 in the league now. Right. Shitloads. It's all a mess. There's people you know.

There's people that are young. It's all kind of built toward the younger players. Back then, I mean, it was rare for someone to come out of school early or directly to high school. These are 36-year-old men. Yeah. You've got to fucking – in practice, you're going up against Charles Oakley. Right.

Charles Oakley. Who's 29 and has a mortgage. And is a man. He owns 40 suits. You know what I mean? You don't even have one. He owns 40 suits and will kick your fucking ass because he has mouths to feed, god damn it. He shops for cufflinks, motherfucker.

My wife just bought expensive lawn furniture. You understand? You're not taking my job. But that's what's on a man's mind as opposed to a child this bitch has got patio furniture and i like ashley yeah that's right i can't afford the shit she likes so you better man up both my kids got crooked ass teeth there's gonna be braces going on those motherfuckers so guess what i'm gonna elbow you in the face when that rebound comes down wow he said quote present day in the nba even if you

enter the league at 19 there's a good chance you played against most of the stars that are 25 years old and considered nba vets when i joined the knicks i played with maurice cheeks who won a championship in philly in the early 80s with dr j and moses malone mo cheeks won a championship that long ago that long ago uh kiki vanderway who was a tremendous veteran and scorer whose basketball camp i attended when i was a kid so what yeah wow yeah and there was a uh there was the big man patrick ewing who i knew very well from watching the epic clash between Georgetown and UNC. Ewing was a giant star in the ACC.

One of my greatest teammates of all time was Charles Oakley. Yeah. He brought his blue-collar mentality to the hardwood every single night, and his role was the reverse of the quintessential superstar. His job, quite simply, was to make the superstars better. Oak made sacrifices to make Patrick Ewing's life easier and was a trade-off because there were things that Patrick did to back Oak on the hardwood as well. So, yeah, you had those guys.

I mean, Ewing was scoring, and Oakley had to be, hey, if you fuck with my man, I'm going to knock you out. That was the way it was. Oakley, was his job to save Ewing's knees? Just to be, well, he's a great rebounder. Charles Oakley was a really good rebounder when he was with the Bulls before this and in his heyday. So they brought him over to rebound and to be a tough guy inside and to take some of the physicality off of Ewing.

Seven footers like that, it's a lot on their bodies. Ewing may not have played as long as he did without Oakley. Absolutely. Yeah, no, Oakley would have. Guys like that extend a center's career. If they don't have to do quite as much banging around inside, that adds up over time. How about that?

So he said that he could shoot better and outplay certain bench stars that he'd match up with as a rookie. But when he'd check into the game, the perception of what played out in his head didn't match the reality of the court is what he said. I look at the video, I'd be like, wow, that guy blocked me. That sucked. I tried. He said,

I'd get into games night in and night out. I found myself being matched up against grown men that had no sympathy for rookies. They know their role, know their position, and embody the expression of a pro's pro. Yeah. Yeah. These guys, they had jobs and families to support.

That's why. Like you said, I have a mortgage. You're thinking about. This is real life, babe. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have time to even think about politics because I got to fucking pay for that lawn furniture. Feel me? When I'm done with basketball, I'll worry about politics.

Right now, I got to make money. My wife bought me a new grill with my money. With my money, damn it, for Father's Day. So he said that it was just, I mean, shit, you'd go to Boston and you'd have to deal with Bird and McHale. And you'd go to Dominique Wilkins playing their three. and you'd have to deal with Bird and McHale and you'd go to Dominique Wilkins playing their three and then Carl Malone you'd be banging against in Utah

and John Stockton running pick and rolls all over you as a kid trying to figure that out. It was hard. He said a lot of guys too, even guys that were old and over the hill like Moses Malone, he said you couldn't deal with the guy. He was a big guy.

He said, and his basketball IQ and all this type of shit, like they just knew tricks. You couldn't fuck with them. They'd destroy you. So, yeah, he said that, quote, it takes time to understand the discipline. Find your niche. Master your timing and be aligned with the right opportunity and coach.

Yeah, that's true. That's the luck, yeah. That's the luck. So he ends up – it's hard for him. He's got to figure out something to do. His mind isn't in a great place because he just gets shit on and stomped on by these bigger, tougher, stronger, more motivated, experienced people that he just doesn't know what to do with. And so he's, you know, got to find shit to do. what to do with and so he's you know gotta find shit to do and uh he said quote i'll never forget as a nick coach stew jackson telling me in a direct and serious tone quote you don't shoot

jumpers and from that point forward it made me hesitate and overthink the idea of taking jump jump shots because you're a big man he's telling him yeah um which was second nature to me my whole life when a coach believes in you that holds a lot of weight for your confidence and approach to the game. And he didn't feel like he was believed in very much there. He makes $565,000, though, and I believe in that. It feels like they believe in him. I believe in him.

I'm in favor of that. So he is traded, though, right before the next season. So October 1, 1991, he's traded with Trent Tucker and a second-round draft pick to the Phoenix Suns for Xavier McDaniel. They wanted a tough guy, and they went out and got a guy. So he goes to the Suns, and this is what we've talked about. This is the team from the 91 to, like, 95.

You could do a whole crime and sports starting lineup. You're really good. They're all dickheads. It's wild. And that was the team we grew up loving. Yeah. Here we are. And everybody believed they were just model human beings.

Well, because that's what ownership would say. We only hire model human beings. Well, five of your guys are going to be on a show where two guys make fun of criminal athletes and all that they're good upstanding people and that's who we fucking employ oh okay i guess they only employ good everybody writes that down they only employ yeah good outstanding people so well that guy's kind of a dick too i imagine right he's gotta be who knows probably he would have to be, I would assume. You own multiple sports teams. Yeah, you can't be.

Someone's bleeding from the asshole, right? Am I wrong? There's a trail behind someone of fucking spit, lube, and blood. Those businesses are far too lucrative. Yeah, far too. So 91-92 Suns, Cotton Fitzsimmons, the coach there. Yep. They're 53-29, which is pretty damn good.

They go to the playoffs. They sweep the Spurs in the first round. Yeah. 3-0. Lose to the Trailblazers, though, who would go on to the finals, losing to the Bulls that year in five. Drexler was great. That year you had Sed Sabalis, Tom Chambers, Jeff Hornacek,

Kevin Johnson, Andrew Lang, Dan Marley, Mustaf, Neely, Tim Perry, Kurt Rambis, and Mark West. Kurt Rambis. Kurt Rambis. So it's tough because this year you have Tom Chambers in front of you at Power Forward, and then Charles Barkley comes in next year, and you have Chambers and Barkley in front of you at Power Forward. What do you do with that, you know?

The wait is over. so far you're not losing the only thing you're losing is my patience quickly i see that the queen of the courtroom is back i didn't do anything you wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face i see he's not intimidated by anything. I can fix that. New cases. She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone. Okay, so, um... This is not a so. This is a period.

Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes, Your Honor. You married his cousin. His brother. That's not him. Yes, ma'am. I would make a beeline for the door.

The Emmy Award-winning series returns. How did I know that? I have a crystal ball in my head. It's an all-new season. It's streaming. You can say anything. Judy Justice, only on Freebie. So, that year, he plays in 52 games only starts three he only 10.5 minutes per game too yeah not playing a lot four and a half points and uh and 2.8 total rebounds so is that not the best position to be in if you are uh an inferior uh power forward in the nba though you know what i

mean well if you're a young player, it's good because you don't have to, but you're not getting a lot of experience, but you can kind of learn from the bench. On the floor, yeah. You're getting the up-close personal visual. And you're much more talented athletically than anybody else that's watching, so

it's great as a tutorial. Anybody else that's watching. And if all of us, all 20,000 of us that are in this building, I'm better than all of you. I'm the best one watching this game. Best spectator going here. So he said, quote, while the Take Charge program represents my hometown on the East Coast, I had something unique at west back in the 90s on the west coast during my playing career in phoenix i opened a black bookstore that became the meeting spot and melting pot of the community throughout my career i had two entities that were

near and dear to me between the store and the west coast and the take charge program i'd return to in the off season back east okay so he there isn't a So there isn't a lot of black anything in Phoenix, I'll be honest with you. There's like, yeah, it's just not a lot. And when they do exist, it feels out of place. When they do exist. Well, I've known a lot of black people in Phoenix, and I go, why do you live here?

It's hot. It's that. The sun is against you. You know that, right? and the sun feels like everybody and every black guy i know go i know it's fucking terrible the sun's against me this sucks yeah i know i don't like it i can't imagine what you feel i had a friend at school that he'd said at least you can take your black shirt off yeah this is awful this is yeah it's hot i get it man i'm so sorry so 92 93 sons this is when everything changed this is when they moved into the new building that they still play in today

at the time it was america west arena this is when they got charles barkley yeah this is when they just exploded as a when the national finally gave a shit about them yeah when they oh people at this point people had their cars painted in sun shit remember all the businesses would have big suns murals on their shit that you couldn't drive down like 7th street without right seeing everything suns as you drove they made the logo so so copyable do you know what i mean yeah it was it's easy to draw easy yeah kids were fucking etching it on their backpack. It was so easy to draw it. Stencilette shit. Easy.

All these straight lines made it super easy. So they go 62-20 that year, and they were pretty goddamned. I was at the first game of that season, the first exhibition game of that season. First game with Barkley, first game in that arena. I was at that game. That year, they beat the Lakers in five in the first round of the playoffs, beat the Spakers in five in the first round of the playoffs beat the spurs in six in the second round of the playoffs then this was a good series to that seattle series yeah that was a great fucking series uh it goes all seven it was wild i think

barkley if i recall had a amazing game 70 like 40 something points and 20 rebounds or some shit and then they go against the bulls and's – we've talked about this one before. Crushing. Heartbreaker of all heartbreakers. I can still see Paxson's fucking shot floating through the air, and I still don't want it to go in. I still want it to – it's going to go in every time, and I hate it. And the announcer said, as long as Paxson doesn't get open, this game should be over.

Yep. Boom. Wide open. And the coaches said, whatever you do Paxson doesn't get open, this game should be over. Yep. And wide open. Boom. Wide open. Wide open. And the coaches said, whatever you do, just don't leave him open. Yeah. Out there in that area. Thanks, guys.

You know, about a 45-degree angle to the hoop. Don't leave him there. That was brutal. It was brutal. So they beat the Suns. Yeah, the Bulls beat the Suns. And Gerard says, quote, I remember chatting with Scott Williams of the Bulls, and he asked me, why the suns and gerard says quote i remember chatting with scott williams of the bulls and he asked me why aren't you playing i know you can play i've

seen you in college why are you playing i'm sorry you lost but why didn't you play why don't they let you play at all he said on the suns there was a pecking order and it started with the best player on the team charles barkley being the number one guy, and then as a position player, they had a true seasoned veteran in Tom Chambers backing him up, and I would just watch from the bench waiting for my turn. Those are both great. I mean, you have a top two player in the league at that point with Barkley and Jordan were the two top players in the league,

and then you have Tom Chambers, who's a very good serviceable guy. He's a top ten son of all time. Yeah, and he's a starter. If Barkley's not on the team, they're happy to start him. So, yeah, this was – they had a lot more going. Oh, yeah, Oliver Miller on the team this year. More criminals joining the team this year. Very good.

Barkley, everybody. Was Hot Rod Williams on the team too that year? Not yet. He didn't come, I think, to like 94 or 95, Hot Rod King. But they had Ainge and Barkley. 95 hot rod king but they had they had ange and uh they had ange and they had both the johnson brothers there not that they're brothers but kevin and frank kevin and uh yeah kevin frank and dan marley and i think ange is the reason paxton got open right he left him open i'm not i can't i don't want to remember but i'd love to blame

daniel fucking guy i can't name him for that. Yeah, who else would he be covering? It's either him or Dan Marley. If I'm looking at the whole floor and I see those two, I go, well, clearly you're covering him. That's your guy. Get the short white guy because that's who you are. So that year, though, he scores. Now he scored 4.3 and 4.5 points a season. This year he scores 4.6 oh really getting

after it breaking out buddy breaking out 2.6 rebounds a game i'm gonna say it right now grace let's say grace this and that is grace i mean he he went to the finals so yeah he was around he participated in a parade he's sure in the fuck he did the biggest parade in phoenix history he was part of it he was part of that the loser parade he's part of that it's 115 outside let's watch the team that just lost drive down the street slowly in the pounding sun in 1992 in the pounding sun let's do that where it will commence downtown or commence that's where it starts well it will finish wrap up at the state at the building on the steps in downtown phoenix where all the heat is all the heat is concentrated and reflected back upon back from the earth right

into dan marley's white face. Oh, man. Danny Ainge squinting. He was squinting a lot probably that day. Fuck yeah, he was. I can't see nothing. I can't see. When I blink, all I see is packs and shooting.

Oh. Every time I blink, I just see Gerard Moustaphe doing nothing on the bench. I don't know what to do. Burned into my eyeballs. to see Gerard Moustaphe doing nothing on the bench. I don't know what to do. Burned into my eyeballs. So the summer of 1993, Gerard should be having a good time.

If you were a Phoenix Sun, even a bench player with four points a game, if you were a Phoenix Sun in the summer of 1993, you could walk into a business, grab the owner's daughter, dip her down, stick your tongue down her throat, pop her up, punch him in the face, grab whatever merchandise you want and say, see you later. And they go, thanks for coming in. As they put a fucking cloth over their nose. Appreciate it. Please come back again soon. There was a son in here.

You can whisper, you're welcome. And leave. Yeah, and leave. And they go, can we get you your change sir you were a god in phoenix at that time yeah so there's a woman named althea hayes okay and um he okay to give you a that gerard is involved with althea hayes now there's also a guy named lavani wooten now lavani wooten is uh I think it's like a cousin of his or like one of those type of deals. Partial cousin or something.

Mustaf invites him to come with him to Phoenix on the advice of his father, by the way. Gerard's dad told him to do this and work for him in 1991 uh because he had the bookstore he also had a music business and all this type of shit sure althea hayes wants to be a singer that's how she and gerard meet she's trying to be a singer he's got like a record label or whatever so there they go yeah who knows so althea hayes wants to work at the shop because she heard that Mustafa owns not just the bookstore but also a talent agency. Okay. So she wants to hook up with him. She also thought that he was kind of a cool guy.

He's a tall guy, handsome dude. He's got a social conscience. He's talking all that. He's got all the African-American bookstore, he says. I've got this. I've got all that shit. My dad's got a fro and a leather jacket the African-American bookstore, he says. And I've got this. I've got all that shit. My dad's got a fro in a leather jacket and shit. You know how it goes.

His last name is fucking Moustache. He sounds fucking hip. At early 90s, too, like, there was a lot of, like, you could talk. You could talk. Early 90s had a lot of, and I'm not just in the black culture, but in a lot of cultures, you had a lot of shit you could talk to certain girls to get them them to think you were like smarter than you were and shit like that you could yeah you could talk some some bullshit and everybody had a rap of some kind to try to get laid so and also uh with with tupac there was like uh there was a a uh a movement happening

with the with the youth of uh black activists yeah but but this is like, yeah, that's true too. There was that, and then there was like the whole kind of like, there was like the back to Africa dashiki shit that was going on a couple years before that, but then that petered out into the man. People would be like, man, fuck all that shit. They'd get into more of like this more. You know what I'm saying?

This is like the next step after that. And there was a lot. There was a lot of different movements going on in all different circles there was white kids playing acoustic guitars under trees at college doing the same bullshit so i'm just saying this is what we're talking about today so she liked him started fucking him she's like this has got to get into this she started a relationship with gerard that she wanted to go further. Now, her brother warned her against hooking up with an athlete, which is a smart play. He said, quote, I was not impressed. That's the brother.

I was not impressed. I am not in favor of this pregnancy. He remembers writing Althea a letter saying, quote, you've always been independent and you don't need him or anyone else to make it. The brother also said that he didn't even know about Mustafa's history of shaking women and shit like that. Oh, he was unaware. He didn't know about any of that shit. He just said, I don't, you know, I wasn't impressed.

Yeah. There you go. So the charge, by the way, was the shaking was charged. That was dropped anyway. So that was. Yeah. And he said way, was the shaking was charged. Well, that was dropped anyway. So that was, yeah. And he said he didn't know she was pregnant. So in Phoenix though, he had another problem here with another pregnant woman. The, these, I feel like the Mustafa fellas don't really care for pregnant women.

They're not in favor of it. We know this also not in favor of condoms, nor pulling out, nor pulling out, nor the results of those things the results of not doing either apparently he had a fiancee named uh pasha fascia how the fuck sasha sasha it's a it's sasha with a p in front of it i don't know what i don't know sasha but sasha but i guess like fister, like the hotel. Yeah. Not Fister, not Fist Sasha. We don't know. Fister like the hotel in Milwaukee or the faucets.

I don't know her. I mean, I'm not going to Fister now. I've never met her before. So Sasha, I'll call her Sasha Luke. She was eight months pregnant. He apparently got in a fight with her and allegedly fired a gun through a wall near her head. What in the shit? That's not good.

That dispute apparently began when Sasha received a letter from a woman in Florida claiming Mustafa was the father of her child that was just born. Oh, God, Saran. Jesus, stop being such a crime and sports person. Bag it up, man. They got a letter, and she opened the letter was like you got another chick pregnant i'm fucking eight months pregnant and he said how dare you be angry about that boom so police filed an assault charge against him which was later dropped

now sasha luke gave birth and became pregnant again a year later, but then had an abortion. Okay. Yeah. With the other one. Exactly. So she said this was after Mustafa threatened her. She had an abortion. She later, later though, had a second child with him. Okay.

Okay. If you're pregnant, fool me thrice. What is this? There is. Yeah, there's nothing. There's no proper fucking idiom. That's going to cover this shit at all this is this is just what the fuck are

you thinking you're pregnant once they shoot a gun by your head you get pregnant again by the same person which seems ill-advised you get an an abortion. It seems you have been warned. You've been warned. Yeah. Loudly, let's say. Yeah. So then the second time you get pregnant, you have an abortion.

Quote, dodging the bullet, let's say. Not literally this time, but proverbial bullet. So you don't have to. And you go, you know what? I'd do it out of three. When you do heads or tails it's best two out of three what are we doing here maybe this time he'll go wonderful and bring me flowers and and tell me to rest i don't know this is the worst rochambeau of all time it's terrible

uh soon after that she obtained an order of protection against him okay at least she's getting it at least a sperm has to stay far away from her somebody so separated from her he was living with a different woman in the spring of 93 and then so he was not haze by the way not the one who wants to be a singer so separated from his thrice knocked up shot at sasha fiance or whatever breaks up with her separated from her living with a different woman and that's when he starts hooking up with Althea Hayes when he's living

with another woman while separated from his main chick okay wow he can't get enough it's complicated no and like I said he's what is he 22 years old insatiable he's a tall guy, handsome guy. Every fucking woman can see him coming from a mile away.

There he is, his head sticking far above everyone. I bet he plays for the Suns. Oh, he does, great. Oh, they're the most famous people in the world. Everybody in Phoenix could pick out a Sun from a mile away. It's just, he's the perfect storm of pussy, is what it is. The man was on the basketball court, at least his feet were, touching the same court that Michael Jordan was just on. Pussy avalanche is what this is.

Yeah, a volcano of spewing pussy. I was going to say pussy lava, but that doesn't sound good. That's gross. That sounds disgusting. So he ends up doing all of that hooking up with her he's hooking up with althea hayes at hotels and then he tells her i'm pregnant or she tells him i'm pregnant althea she was she was really surprised she was shocked she's like what are you going to tell coach what are you going to tell charles barkley when you're banging around in practice for rebounds?

You're going to tell him, like, don't elbow me in the stomach? I'm six months along. I'm in my second trimester. I don't think that's okay. So he threatened to stop talking to her if she didn't have an abortion. Okay. Yeah. So two nurses who examined Hayes would later tell investigators that when she mentioned Mustaf, she became emotional, upset and concerned about her well-being.

And so they were concerned, these nurses. So they referred Hayes to counseling. Now, there's another person here. Her cousin, his name is Tierman Spencer, lives in Boston. And it's a guy. And he gets a call from Hayes. His name is Tierman Spencer, lives in Boston, and it's a guy. And he gets a call from Hayes, and he said, quote, she said I have to get out of here right now because they're going to get me.

Okay. He said I couldn't get a ticket fast enough, and I've been wrestling with that guilt ever since. That's because the next day she was killed. Althea? Althea was killed. Oh, my God. Okay. Now, Hayes told Mustaf early in the playoffs that she thought the baby she was carrying was his.

He said, I think you should get an abortion. But she was religious and didn't want an abortion. And she said, quote, that's just how we were raised so mustaf then offered her five thousand dollars to get an abortion oh if i give you five g's we get an abortion but she said left over yeah she said no uh now everybody said friends family of hayes and hayes had told all these people that she was afraid of Mustaf now because she wasn't giving him what he wanted. On June 16th, she visited a medical clinic where the pregnancy was confirmed. Make sure. Two days later, she paged, because that's what we're dealing with, pager times.

She paged Mustaf. He was in Chicago. That was during the playoffs still. He called her back after game five before the team flight took off, and records show they spoke for eight minutes at that point. According to reports, Hayes told Mustaf that she was going to keep the baby, and Mustaf would be described in those same reports as very angry to the point that he chose to sit alone on the flight to Arizona.

I mean, you were gonna anyway yeah but he sat all by himself back there because he was seething and pissing yeah still it um later on he'll claim that he was never told she was pregnant oh which i doubt she went to the clinic it was confirmed and then they talked for eight minutes after she paged him right afterwards. She didn't say anything about it? She just left that out. Just wanted to see how your day was. Just checking on you, babes. How's it going? How's the Windy City?

Everything's great here in Phoenix. Did you get pizza? It's hot. Did you go deep dish or thin crust? What are you doing? So on the morning of July 24th, Alvin Hayes, who is the family member, obviously, of Althea here, hadn't heard from his daughter, it's her father, in two days. So at 9 o'clock, he went to her apartment in Glendale, out there by you, and there he got into her apartment, and on the floor of her bedroom, he found she was curled up dead and decomposing really yes she was on the floor dead of her own bedroom on her own bedroom she'd been shot four times with a 380 including once back of the head execution style jesus christ yeah and she was three months

pregnant they confirm so uh doesn't the cops would love to have a little chat with gerard and just see what's going on there obviously you know you were flying back to phoenix or whatever but he's questioned july 29th it's he's questioned in the murder case. And it's fucking wild. The mother, her mother, Hazel, Althea's mother, Hazel, is saying that, you know, I want you to look at. She's publicly saying, you got to look at Gerard. She was pregnant and my daughter was scared because he was pressuring her to have an abortion and all this type of shit. Pretty obvious what happened, people. Yeah.

The Phoenix Gazette put a quote saying, yeah, I do remember that paper. The boyfriend had offered her $5,000 to have an abortion. She wouldn't do it. She just wanted the person out of her life. Yikes. So they said that it was probably she was found that morning, which she'd probably been there for a couple days. Jesus Christ. So his agent, now he's got to have a silver-haired middle-aged white man here, Mustapha. So he's got Michael Stratham, his agent now he's got to have a silver haired middle aged white man here

so he's got Michael Stratham his agent and attorney he said that quote Gerard has no that the agent has no reason to believe most off as a suspect in the case because there's nothing to put him at the scene or to say he committed this heinous act

I don't know he's willing to give up five thousand dollars to not have that baby. So I'll give it to you. I'll give it to somebody to kill you. I mean, that's just logic. I'm not saying that happened. Feels like he's not in favor of this. He's not in favor of the pregnancy.

That we do know here. So they said that Mustaf had cooperated with authorities and he was just one of 10 or 15 people, this is what his agent's saying being asked about a lady who appears to have been murdered not appears to have been murdered it's impossible for anything else she did not shoot herself execution style with a 380 after four three other wounds didn't do the trick here so four bullets did not simultaneously erupt in her bedroom wow just, just all over the place.

The agent also said that Althea Hayes, he describes her as a, quote, acquaintance of Mustaf. An acquaintance. He knocked her up. I oftentimes put my penis in acquaintances. Well, yeah, if anything that's alive inside me penetrates any part of something that's alive inside you and we form a fucking being together, we're more than acquaintances. Yeah. I broke through your egg wall. What are you talking about?

I stayed in there long enough to ejaculate. That's a lot. And I just left it in. That's much more than an acquaintance. Yeah. The agent said girlfriend is not a term he wanted to use for hayes we've never denied that he had a relationship and knew the woman yeah you can have multiple girlfriends it happens oh man that's wild so one of hayes's family members here wendy smith

said quote althea and gerard had been going out together for the last six or eight months they were seen in public together and dated many times. And the agent also said, we don't know if Mustapha is the father of the baby or not. And by the way, he's not doing interviews, so you can't ask him. Okay, bye. They got to go. Yeah, it's fucking ridiculous. So August 21st, 1993, this is in the Arizona Republic.

Big picture of him and his baby sitting there holding it. He's got an eight-month-old daughter named Tara Kai. And just holding her. And he sits. Mustaf speaks out on killing. And I'll just read this. This is hilarious. By William Herman of the Arizona Republic.

Quote, Gerard Mustaf thinks he's getting a raw deal. I just love that first line. It's amazing. How could you write that? Amazing. The 23-year-old reserve forward for the Phoenix Suns finds it incredible that anyone would link him to the slaying last month of Althea Hayes. Anyone.

He's bitter with the police for embarrassing him and harassing his friends and with the Suns for never supporting him. While this is happening. There's plenty of reasons not to. They're going to distance themselves. During a murder investigation probably. But he holds special contempt. For the news media. Which he says has taken every opportunity.

To drag him through the mud. He's particularly incensed. By the widespread reports. That Hayes was three months pregnant with his child. And that she refused his angry demands. And an offer of $5,000 to have an abortion. Mustaf also thinks his cousin is innocent in Hayes' slaying. We'll get into that. Although Hayes reportedly told relatives hours before her death that the cousin was in her

Glendale apartment and that she was afraid. And then she died. Wow. No arrests have been made. No suspects have been identified. This is just what he says because that's what the rumors were. He says, if I were going to do something like that, if I were going to hire a guy to kill a girl, I'd have left town before, he said, before the slaying took place, he said. He expressed confidence that he had nothing to fear in the July 22nd shooting death of

Hayes. Quote, I did not date Althea Hayes. If I did it, here's how I would. Well, yeah, this is a very OJ defense. Mustaf said as he sat with his infant daughter and his parents home in Greenbelt, an upper income suburb of Washington, D.C., She was not what you'd call my girlfriend, but I don't like to talk about my sexual relations with anyone, so I won't discuss that.

So clearly he's having sex with her. Yeah, well, then they said, asked whether he had a sexual relationship with Hayes. Mustaf would neither confirm nor deny it. Okay. No, I just hang out with young ladies as friends all the time, even though I'm a horny young man like every other horny young man. He denied offering Hayes $5,000 to abort her fetus.

Quote, she didn't even tell me she was pregnant. Okay. He acknowledges that he had visited Hayes in her apartment but denied he was with her the day or night before her death, as her relatives have told police. Yeah. He said he last saw her on July 19th when she went to his home. He said he learned of her death on July 25th when he arrived at Washington's National Airport. When he got off the plane, he said he was stopped by airport security and asked to call Glendale police about a homicide.

Quote, I talked to Detective Lowe. He was very inquisitive, and he asked a lot of tough personal questions. He asked if i was involved in the killing of althea hayes and i said no so he was also mustaf was particularly outraged that the police confiscated a pistol during the search of his chandler home and that news reports have described it as material evidence in the hayes death he was living in chandler that's an awful long ride to the stadium. That's what I'm saying, but he could probably get a

giant big old property and house out there back then. Back then you could get a fucking Christ by half a Chandler for 200 grand back then. He said, quote, I maybe have 20 guns in my home in Chandler. I had a brand new.380 and they took that and they're trying to paint a picture

that they found a gun that possibly killed Althea Hayes. He also says he never lent any of his guns to his cousin, Levani Wooten, who reportedly was in Hayes' apartment the night that police think she was shot. Mustaf acknowledges the news stories have been hard on Wooten, who has given police hair and blood samples to compare with samples found under her haze's fingernails. Now, Scharr, his father, said Wooten isn't worried about his implication in the slayings. Quote, I've spent about 10 hours with Levani since this happened. Last time we talked, he wasn't scared at all. After he gave police samples of his hair and blood, he was totally confident. That's a frightening man, then.

Yeah, that's a frightening man then yeah that's that's pretty scary um so mustaf himself though refused to provide any samples of anything oh he followed he uh police detective asked that he voluntarily give hair and blood although the samples could clear him of the slaying mustaf refused to provide them mostly because he feels he's been mistreated by the police yeah he said i don't want you to test the blood of that fetus that's the other thing well he said if they had a court order i would do it well no shit you would because they'd fucking pin you down and do it so you because then you go to jail if you don't that's yeah and then they take it in jail so you're getting blood from you at that point you ever see the wire when they take chris and snoop in court order another one

way or another police have have caused him considerable embarrassment by talking to his friends and acquaintances in Maryland, the ballplayer said. Quote, when the authorities called my friends up here saying me and my friends were thugs, that was it. Why would police want to, why would I want to help them out, the police, he says. He said he first met Hayes in February or March

when she called him at his business jm entertainment at 48th street and broadway jesus and oh yeah over there and uh mustaf's bookstore uh the mustaf connection is in the same address she wanted a singing career and hoped we could help her but she never made any demo tapes because she never got her act together he says hayes asked him for money several times. He says, quote, Althea mentioned money to me because she was having some financial problems. She asked for loans and always wanted money for this and that. On the night she was killed, he says he was entertaining friends all night at his home.

Statements confirmed by a friend of his who took part in an interview. This is an Anderson guy, Jahar Anderson. He says that Wooten was not there though, adding that Wooten may have gone to Los Angeles that evening or new stuff. Mustafa believes news accounts have inflated the importance of other recent difficulties with the law, which in March Wooten told police in Phoenix that Mustafa struck him in the

head with a telephone during a quarrel outside the bookstore. His own cousin. He gave him like Joe Pesci in Casino. Yeah. He hit him with a phone during a quarrel. Mustaf faces municipal court hearing next month on that incident. And in June, Sasha Lake said that it was Mustaf's fiance and mother of his eight month old daughter alleged that Mustafa

pushed her and a friend during a quarrel and a friend to people I push bitches that I'm not even with I don't give a fuck that's crazy never heard of that before

wow by the way so that Sasha Luke's only 19 by the way to she's young as fuck Mustafa scheduled to appear in court for that as well so he's got two court dates happening he says he's very disappointed in the sons though that's what's most disappointing yeah he said nothing really happened and since then she's tried to

drop the charges meaning sasha sasha's still my fiance and we might get married well that's not really your fiance if you might get married. Fiance means let's get married. Start picking out centerpieces. Yeah. What kind of cake do you like is what that means. Basically married pending a ceremony. That's it. She's like, I mean, maybe.

She's my fiance. Maybe we'll get married. I gave her a ring and we have kids and shit, but let's not get fucking ahead of ourselves with all this marriage stuff. This is crazy. He said he is disappointed but not surprised by what he characterizes as the lack of support by the sons. He and the sons currently are at odds over playing time and contract matters, and the sons are rumored to be seeking a trade for him. Oh, what a tempting piece of trade bait that is. Four points a game and he might have killed a woman? Wow, this is really...

I can't... How do we turn this down? Face in maybe 30 years? Let's talk about it. What do you trade him for? One of those big nets you carry like 15 balls in? Is that what you get for him? We'll give you him for nets.

And a trampoline for the mascot. Yeah. Some of those chairs we use on the sidelines. One of them, our cushions are a little bad on one of them. So it's crazy. So despite reports that he has been asked to be traded, Mustaf said he will return to play for the Suns next season if things work out. Former Suns president at that time, Jerry Colangelo, quote,

never supported me in anything I've done, he said, adding, Jerry thought I spent too much time on my investments. The sons weren't too fond of my bookstore because it was so Afrocentric. They didn't come to my grand opening. And then he says, you know, in Phoenix, they'll accept an attitude about black people. And he said Colangelo's opinion on him is based on gossip and rumor he said jerry tries to throw it out like basketball is all i have he looks at me like who is this kid so yeah he said as far as my playing time goes it came to be a joke charles barkley joked about it in the finals i didn't even get on the court i read a couple books during the finals not on the bench but right that's very

funny that uh the man's contract is up or or at least he's being discussed for trade and he's just trashing the team trashing them that's me i'll make you very attractive while while under the while in the midst of a fucking murder investigation. Jesus Christ. Idiot. So K.C. Skull entered now. Okay. K.C. Skull. He's the head prosecutor of Maricopa County's homicide unit here. So he can pick his own cases.

And he picked, quote, the highest profile and the worst ones, he said. And he said Hayes' murder was both. So that worked out very well. And he said Hayes' murder was both. So that worked out very well. And they said that because of the professional athlete involvement, that the scope and scale of the investigation has to be large because you have somebody who talk about Levante or Levani Wooten. They talk about the document has reports and interviews and phone records, much of which was entered into the record in court,

including here's some facts of the case. Levani Wooten returned to the East Coast after falling out with his cousin. Then on July 20th, 1993, after that was after he got beaten with a phone in the face 1993 he received two airline tickets one for him and one for his girlfriend harris to come back to phoenix the next day mustaf and his father would claim these tickets which were paid for

by mustaf were intended to repair the cousin's relationship but harris the girlfriend told investigators a different story she said wooten told her that he owed Mustaf a favor. In Phoenix, Wooten and Harris would stay at Mustaf's home. On the same day those tickets arrived, Wooten's mother received $1,500 from Mustaf as well, purportedly to cover rent on her apartment in Landover, Maryland. On the afternoon of July 22nd, witnesses saw mustaf driving a red rented mercedes convertible head sticking out all high above the fucking windshield into the parking lot of hayes's apartment you know they're like i don't want it to be my car that'll stand out i'll get a rental car

what's the least conspicuous car you have a red mercedes that my fucking head sticks out of the top of and everyone can see me in. And I'm going to drive that motherfucker straight into Glendale. Where you constantly see seven foot tall black guys in bright red convertible Mercedes all over Glendale. You don't even see seven foot tall black guys. Forget the car. Yeah. Fuck the car.

So into the parking lot of the complex, they also saw Wooten following in a black Porsche owned by Mustaf. What the fuck are they doing? On an apartment complex in Glendale. Those are the two nicest cars that have ever been in that apartment complex, and they showed up at the same time. People probably poured out of their apartments going, what's going on? What the fuck is that?

Did a car show have a fucking... Did you guys get lost? Detour in here? What's going on here? No, you're going on there. These two cars are worth more than the complex. Oh, every apartment in it. So Hayes wasn't home at that point.

That same evening at 9.23, Hayes placed a call from her apartment to a friend named Tony Evans who said that Hayes told her, quote, Gerard's cousin Vonnie is over here right now, so if anything happens to me, you know who was here. Oh. That's damning. That's a mess. Then, around seven or eight minutes later, Hayes' neighbors heard what sounded like either gunshots or firecrackers, which a.380 is not a very big one. At approximately 10 p.m., Harris, the cousin's girlfriend, says she woke up from a nap at Mustaf's house and looked for Wooten. Asked about his whereabouts, Mustaf replied that Wooten had gone out to, quote, handle some business for me.

Holy. That's not good. Wooten returned that night. I mean, well, maybe he came back and was like, you know, wearing like club clothes and was like just out having a good time. Oh, no, no, not at all. He returned dressed in all black with a knit hat on,

looking like OJ fucking leaving nicole's house and shit there's not a day in arizona that requires a fucking knit cap it's july 22nd it's july 22nd in phoenix and he came back wearing the bank robber accoutrement like the stereotypical burglar burglar outfit now this is these are clothes that you don't even know where they are in july if someone said i need a knit hat you go i don't know it's in boxes i'm like i have no fucking idea i can't find it and then in like December, you might look for something. Maybe. Let's take a weekend trip to Flagstaff. Well, we're going to have to dig through some boxes and find the clothes for it. I don't have a sleeve in my closet right now.

We're talking, everybody, it's like 102 at midnight. Yeah. You're not wearing this. Denim. Ever. Wow. So he gets home dressed in all black and told his girlfriend to start packing up because we're driving to california right now we gotta get out of here because she has a house

out there and then another house guest of mustaf's reported seeing wooten near a gun closet near the cousin near a gun closet after he returned to the residence as harrison wooten left the house in a mitsubishi Diamante that another one of Mustaf's friends had rented with Harris driving, they watched Mustaf disassemble a semi-automatic handgun and throw pieces of it out the window

as they drove away. Out of the car? Out of the car window! He's throwing he's disassembling a gun and throwing it away. Holy shit. Wooten returned to Phoenix on July 24th. Mustaf and his girlfriend took Wooten to a mall where they bought him a new suit and then took him to the airport.

Wow. That was the day they're like, you're going to need this for court because you did a lot of dumb shit. That was the day that Alvin Hayes found Althea dead on the floor. So on July 26th, Wooten returned a call from the Glendale detective in charge of the investigation. At first, he denied even knowing Hayes. Never met her. Don't know who you're talking about. Idiot.

Then he admitted he might have met her before. He told the detective that he flew into Phoenixoenix on the night of the 22nd then corrected himself because it was actually the 21st he was like oh they can check that shit right he explained that he and harris had traveled to phoenix so she could visit her cousin keith rucker uh rucker the nfl player oh so roughly a week after the murder wooten called harris and told her that if the police were to ask she she should say that they left Phoenix for California at two or three in the afternoon on July 22nd and also instructed her to repeat the story about visiting her cousin. During the conversation, Harris took notes on a piece of cardboard that was later recovered by detectives. Idiot.

Fucking idiot. The police investigation revealed Wooten's story to be riddled with holes, obviously. Rucker had been out of town. The one they came to visit wasn't even in Phoenix. Fucking idiot. Sources confirmed that Wooten and Hayes knew each other from Mustaf's connection, the bookstore, and Harris fed investigators Wooten's version of events more than once before eventually breaking down and admitting that she'd lied for her boyfriend the whole time. Yes. One thing you should definitely do when there's a murder, when you commit one, get a shitload of witnesses. Get a ton of witnesses that can place you exactly where you say you aren't don't fly into town get put up in a fucking holiday inn express under an assumed name and then fucking do your business stay in his house hang out with his friends party be seen bunch of people that have zero interest in keeping you from the police jesus christ yeah three months after haze's death

wooten dropped the bookstore related assault charge against against gerard and the civil suit against his cousin as well and on july 22nd the last day haze was seen alive mustaf wrote a ten thousand dollar check to purchase land in north carolina intercepted phone calls revealed that this land was to be the site of a disco okay a former girlfriend of mustaf's confirmed that was going to manage the disco for him back he's gonna build a disco in 1994 in north carolina in the middle of nowhere in white man hide out wow. Wow. So on April 8th, 1994, nine months after Hayes was killed, Wooten is finally arrested

and charged with first-degree murder, burglary, and witness tampering. As he awaited trial, he conducted a jailhouse interview and asserted his innocence. And yeah, he said this is... That man thought he got away with it. He did this on the radio.

He did an interview on the radio. And on the radio was Charles Barkley. Yeah. And I don't even remember who this was. A radio person called Super Snake. Do you remember who that is? Oh, he's still around. He's still around.

Very old man. Barkley and Super Snake talked to him from prison. Super Snake is what it is. Those are the people who I want to do a deep dive, hard hitting interview with a possible murder suspect. He looks like when Beetlejuice was a snake. That's what he looks like. He looks terrible. He's not a good looking man.

Oh, I bet. His name is Super Snake. First of all, you could just say he's on the radio and I go, so hideous man? Ugly man? Ugly man? Because it's not like, oh, you'd be on TV if you weren't ugly. It seems like one of the requirements for radio is, I don't know, you're a little handsome for this. Make everyone around here feel bad.

I don't think so. All the receptionists will fuck you. We can't have this. Comedy and radio is where the hideous doesn't matter yeah we gotta hide out in the shadows we only come out at night they're behind a you know they're just a voice into the behind everything into the abyss so um mustaf here is summoned a week later before a grand jury that's not good and uh though he instead invokes the fifth amendment through the entire thing oh that's not good sir pleads the

fifth and uh dna testing reveals that hayes was in fact pregnant by gerard mustaf just like everyone said uh witnesses said the two had argued bitterly over the fact, obviously. And so they say that they believe that Mustaf ordered Hayes to or ordered his cousin to kill Hayes when she refused to have an abortion. Because otherwise, Gerard has to be. OK, this is a weird legal case because they're not charging him at this point, but they're charging the other guy. The other guy has no connection to her without Gerard. Right. Without the pregnancy, he would never know her.

There's a middle person here that you can't get to. So prosecutors charged that Mustapha flew to Arizona from Maryland to kill Hayes shortly before her death. Hayes whispered to a friend over the phone, like we told you, that the cousin is here. Witnesses are placing him at the home in Chandler, like we said. By the way, other witnesses, including an off-duty police officer, testified they saw Mustaf and Wooten in separate cars outside Hayes' apartment the day she was killed as well. So that's how that's backed up. Because like I said, everybody said, what the fuck are those cars doing in my apartment complex in glendale you idiots wow um mustaf once told a reporter that he was there

because they asked him why were you there that day and he couldn't deny because a bunch of people saw it so he said i was just there to loan her some money right that's why i went there that day maybe i should have driven the diamante yeah whoops shit they talk about how you know they're they're the prosecutor and event and and defense are in agreement about how the crime unfolded but they're basically the prosecution team asserts that mustaf wanted hayes kills killed because she refused an abortion now the, the defense is, yeah, Mustaf wanted Hayes killed because she refused an abortion. So he must have done it.

So you should talk to him, not my guy. That's how they're doing it. And lacking in physical evidence, they believe Mustaf mastermind the whole thing and they're doing all that. So the defense argues that, yeah, Mustaf arranged the murders, but they said that Putin's been set up by Mustaf.

That's what he did. Okay. He brought him out there just so it would look bad for him to set him up because he was mad at him for charging him and filing charges for assaulting him. So he's even more diabolical than we thought. He's like, I can murder my pregnant girlfriend and set my cousin up for an innocent man all in one swoop this woman this baby and this man all in one evil i shall do evil but the problem with that is too many people saw gerard at his own house yeah so he didn't do it who the fuck killed her then i don't know that's too evil for like cobra killed her then? I don't know.

That's too evil for like Cobra Commander would be like. I don't know. I feel like I'm going a little too far. Does everyone here feel like it's too far? It's too far. Right? Right? Okay.

Just the girl. Just the girl. Okay. Over the phone incident? I got to get him. I got to get him. This is too much. I got to get him.

So this is a lot. So they're talking about how the defense also says that investigators had – there's no evidence that they had sufficiently pursued other suspects. And they focused right away here on Wooten and on this whole theory. They went back and forth over various pieces of evidence, hearsay exceptions and comments to the press and all sorts of shit like that. They're doing they're just going back and forth in motions leading up to the trial. The prosecution even tried compelling the defense to reveal who was paying her legal fees. Yeah. And she said none of the state's frickin business. OK, say fuck, you're a lawyer. Come on. And she said, none of the state's frickin' business. Okay.

Say fuck, you're a lawyer. Come on. Then she says that it must have been from Mustafa because he's the only one in the family that had any money. So here's the thing, though. Wooten never rolls on, never says he hired me. Never says shit. Even facing life without parole, he declined to cooperate with prosecutors wow yeah the defense lawyer said they didn't want lavani who uh who they wanted was gerard they thought that eventually lavani would break and he's not gonna yeah he's not gonna do

this time for a step but if he set him up good enough that's what happened also not just that but like they have no evidence that he did it other than her telling her friend or family that he was there. That's the only thing they've got on him. And the times and him disassembling the gun after. It looks bad. It's a lot of circumstantial evidence. But they have no gun matched to a bullet. They don't have his blood on the floor or anything like that, her blood on his clothes or some shit.

So they thought, though, the prosecutor figured that he could establish motive and opportunity and had a lot of evidence that just looked really bad here. He also found he was put in contact with a former girlfriend of Mustaf's who just returned from visiting him in Spain. a former girlfriend of Mustaf's who just returned from visiting him in Spain. Mustaf and her fought. He accused her of stealing $10,000. Then he left her a voicemail, which she turned over to the authorities. According to the pretrial briefing memo, they said that it was experts authenticated. It was his voice.

And it said, quote, I will recover that money by any and all means. If you don't believe me, you better ask about me in Arizona. Oh, boy. Which does not sound good after your girlfriend was murdered here. So the trial lasted about two weeks. Not a lot of media coverage, honestly. Wow, yeah. Because he wasn't a star. I don't remember any of this, yeah.

Yeah, and he was gone because this was 96. He was already gone by then. Right. I mean, if he was on the team by then or if he was a star or anything um so wooten is found guilty on all coin on all counts and when he the verdict was announced he smiled yelled peace and high-fived some friends that were in the behind him in the gallery. Guilty, fuck yeah. Peace. Peace. I'm out. So he was spared the death penalty because the judge called it a lack of aggravating circumstances

to support the request, but he is sentenced to life for the murder. Wow. 21 years for the burglary and nearly two years for witness tampering. And yeah, he was unsuccessful in his appeals as well. He's going to be in there.

Mustaf just goes to Europe. Really? That's his whole thing, yeah. Later on he'll go to Europe, and it's pretty wild. Now, the mother, Althea's mother, said, when my husband found our daughter laying down dead it murdered my whole family i can't truly heal until gerard mustaf is brought to justice yeah so um it's it's they they were just everyone's so surprised that wooten never flipped that's the thing yeah without him you can't get gerard, can you? No, and then Mustapha said later on he's going to be cut by a bunch of European teams and shit.

And he says, I've been convicted without a trial. What about innocent until proven guilty? He's like, all these teams, all these rumors, nobody likes it. So the Hayes family filed a wrongful death civil suit claiming Mustapha had hired Wooten to do this for the express purpose of carrying out the plan to kill Althea. They end up settling for an undisclosed amount. Is that right? Now, I don't know about you, but. Why would you settle if you didn't do it?

If I didn't fucking kill somebody and you're suing me saying I killed your pregnant daughter, we're fighting fighting that out till my last breath i did not kill your goddamn fucking pregnant daughter and i'm sorry someone did but it wasn't me so i'll give money to lawyers before i give them to you because i'm right and you're wrong that's what i mean don't accuse me of that shit so he does make 904 000 that year though so So, 92-93. Now, 93-94, the charges, Prince George's County charges where Mustapha was roughing up Sasha there. They dropped those charges, battery charges against him. They dropped those charges back there. So, he doesn't have that hanging over his head. The complainants decided they did not want to go forward with the charges, they said. So according to the court records, Sasha, Luke, his fiancée, the mother of their daughter, Mustafa, hit her, pushed her,

kicked her, and spat on her. Jesus. Yeah. And a friend of Luke's, the girlfriends from Brooklyn, allege Mustafa hit her and spat on her as well. Okay. Yeah, both of them, her and her friend. So they said that Luke and Simmons signed papers last week stating their decisions not to go forward with the charges were made of their own free will, blah, blah, blah.

So the – Mustafa's attorney said, I think the state's attorney did an appropriate job of reviewing the matter, misunderstanding rather than a criminal act on part of the participants. It was just a misunderstanding. That's all. It's not a big deal when i spit on my wife's friends it's usually just a misunderstanding after i push them wow that's fucking funny so he's scheduled though to stand trial on a misdemeanor assault charge in phoenix uh where from the thing with his cousin but that ends up being dropped so that ends up being all dropped and everything. So he's in the clear. Well, August 22nd, 1993. Now, this is before his cousin's convicted two years later and all that. So while it's all going on, still the summer of 93, back to then, the murder time,

Mustaf, even in the paper, the headline is, Mustaf supports cousin, maintains his own innocence. Oh, boy. Which is fucking insane. Yeah. He says that, quote, yeah, I'd never, oh, yeah, I'd have left town before I did it. He said that stuff. And then the gun thing he's very upset about.

And my cousin didn't do shit. He said, I've spent about 10 hours with Levani since this happened. Last time we talked, he wasn't scared at all. He says again, he's going back to that. He's fine'm not giving him shit everybody can suck my ass so october 14th 1993 the misdemeanor assault charge against him is dismissed again because um the man he attacked a different guy didn't oh it's his cousin didn't appear to testify. That's right. So that's how that gets dropped here with a cell phone, a 93 cell phone. That's a big phone. That's worse than a pay phone.

That's a brick, babe. Yeah, that's that's fucking crazy. Of course, his lawyer said this was all ridiculous anyway, because he said, I think it's absolutely ludicrous. The time parameters Glendale police are using to make an arrest. Yeah, I don't know about that. Now, meanwhile. It's a murder. They got to investigate.

They got to look into it a bit. I know a murder. Now, meanwhile, he's still playing basketball. The next year, 93-94, he plays for the Suns. They're 56-26. They sweep the Warriors and lose in seven to the Rockets. Oh, Rockets. Thatets oh Rockets yeah they went on to beat the Knicks yeah fucking John Starks anyway so this is the year they had AC Green too they brought him in so there's less less place for him to play now even uh December 17th 1993 uh that's when it

comes out during the season that the lab tests indicated that he was definitely the father of the now no longer living fucking fetus. And Hayes, Hayes' parents said, we knew the baby was Gerard's the whole time. Our daughter knew it. And she told us. Now I just have to hope they'll get on with this investigation. I have faith in God and I believe eventually the police will catch whoever did this. Yikes. Maybe not.

So, Mustaf again here, December. They're talking about this is when all this is coming out during the season, and he's not doing great on the court. He's a bit distracted, and it makes sense. Plays in 33 games. Only starts two. 2.2 points a game what 1.7 rebounds uh-oh yeah um and he before this season he was like man it's it's on this year it's fucking on he kept saying it's on it's on and then then 2.2 points. That's his last year at the NBA, it turns out. Is that right? Four years.

Yep. He played in 179 games. He averaged, this is a very, 10.6 minutes a game, four points a game, 2.5 rebounds a game. Wow. He is a sub. He said, my final year in the league, I didn't care. Whenever I touched the ball ball i was looking to score and took and took on i have nothing to lose mentality yeah you said whenever you touch the

ball you look to score and 2.2 points is what you pulled out of that you think like your defense would suffer but you scored more points nope this just sucks he touched the ball twice james two times that's all you do two times he does make 1 million 73 000 that year though that that's not enough no a total of first career 3 million 277 000 rod mustaf made three million dollars three million and you take out taxes and agents and lawyers and abortions and fucking murder payoffs, allegedly, and all this shit. You don't have a lot of money left. So he is quietly released by the Suns, as they put it, on September 15th. And it's, yeah, they asked Paul Westfall, who was the coach from 92 to 96, what was it like coaching Mustaf?

And they said, quote, he pauses before responding. And he says quote what i remember about him i'd rather keep in my brain who who and i remember too when he joined the knicks that was one of the big deals is oakley tried to take him under his wing because i read in this book uh was it blood in the garden or something and he would like they made fun of mustaf because he didn't have suits and shit so like oakley took him out and made him buy suits that were appropriate and like showed him how to act and shit like that was trying to make something of him but couldn't quite do it so they pressed him oh come on paul that sounds like you really got something funny to say here jesus keep it in your brain and he said he just wouldn't do shit um yeah he couldn't do it

so they asked him what happened in phoenix they asked fucking gerard he said nothing about phoenix was a good fit for me and they pressed him for specifics and he starts naming off black teammates who were married to non-black women what yeah he's like that's the problem didn't fit in because barkley fucks white ladies because barkley's at tomaso's with madonna yeah that's my problem that's why i can't score more two points he said quote um he also recounts how kevin johnson the son's leader sat in the front of the team bus quote and didn't say a word for nothing kevin was that good Negro. I was not that guy.

Oh, wait till you hear about what he did. Yeah, he's not that. Kevin wanted to be in politics, and he did, and then he went and fucked that all up. Right. Yeah, but he came across. But Kevin Johnson spoke like this, and he was very much, no, we're going to go out and win that game today, Lord willing today lord willing lord willing we're gonna go out and give it our best effort and um you know hopefully it'll come together for us on the court thank you very much sir and then he'd

walk away so and wait a wait till you hear about ac green being a virgin oh man i mean we got virgins and motherfuckers sitting in the front of the bus. Fuck this team. So, Mustaf said yes, he did ask to be traded and all that. The Suns had no takers here. We tried to trade you. Nobody wanted anything. No way. It didn't help his marketability at all. And, yeah.

But he said, I want to establish something. I want to stick it out. I think Phoenix needs a guy like me. Someone who's willing to stand up no no no and they didn't they didn't want to stand up neither stand up for what you stand up for your wallet that's it when a bitch says you knocked her up you fucking kill her that's how you stand up how dare how dare you accuse me of knocking you up? How could he say these things? Oh, wow. That's crazy.

So, allegedly, all of that shit. So, yeah, the prosecutors are trying to get – they keep trying to do the thing to find out the legal fees because they thought that if they proved that – if they proved that Gerard paid his cousin's legal fees, they could do something with that. Yeah. So, they're talking about that also. They're talking about the prosecution, about hush money that he's paying to people. And it just looks bad for him. It does. Just put it that way. Also, he's got a – the prosecutors have known since February who's been paying the lawyer's bill, they said, because of phone calls Wooten made from jails to Mustaf

and relatives and friends that were recorded. Yeah. Saying, yeah, Gerard's paying for my shit. They said, we've known about these payments and who's been paying for these phone conversations, but they just wanted them to answer and they wouldn't. Court documents claim Miller was paid a $25,000 down payment. That's the cousin's lawyer. Uh-huh.

They said, Mrs. Miller certainly the cousin's lawyer. They said, Mrs. Miller certainly had to know that Gerard's Mustafa's paying thousands of dollars on behalf of the defendant could be considered as evidence of their conspiracy or agreement to commit this crime. Why else would Mustafa pay thousands and thousands of dollars to anyone on behalf of Wooten? Right. So he should be furious that Wooten murdered his baby.

Yeah. He's why the fuck would you pay him? You'd be like, I'm not I have nothing to do with him. He murdered my that's my baby that he murdered. So July 3rd, January 30th, 1996 here. Levani, that's when he's finally convicted and, you know, goes through all that kind of shit. So they ask they ask the Wooten's attorney and she says, I can't say much about it because it's an ongoing investigation. And the prosecutor said it's still a difficult case. Gerard Mustapha done what we used to call sucker-punched his own cousin. That's what Althea's mother said. He sucker-punched his own cousin.

Let him go down for it. So 95-96, he goes and plays in i think that's spain spain liga acb for festina andora uh plays in seven games plays 34.6 minutes a game which christ i didn't know he had the cardio for that anymore wow 19.9 minutes a game 7.7 rebounds so his college stats he So his college stats. He got his college stats back here. Playing non-NBA players. That makes sense.

Yeah. So October 3rd, 1996, the Arizona Republic has an article. The headline is, authorities amaze team sign Mustaf. Yeah. They said for three years they've continued to pursue the investigation against him. They said now police detective Bruce Lowe and Maricopa County attorney Rick Romley are shaking their heads over the fact that Mustaf can be signed by two NBA teams in the past week. Listen to this, because he gets signed by the Sonics and somebody else. They said, the way sports are today, nothing surprises me, Lowe said, after learning that Mustaf had been signed by the Supersonics. surprises me low said after learning that he'd been mustaf been signed by the supersonics rom romley is incredulous that this could happen especially after the charlotte hornets waved

mustaf last week two days after signing him when media reports about the ongoing investigation surfaced they didn't know they thought that it was all washed up they didn't care they were like water under the bridge there's no google in 96 so't go, oh shit, there was a story last week. So they signed him and then the local media made a big deal so they released him and the Sonics went,

well, we'll fucking take him. Yeah, we need a big guy. Which is crazy. So Romley said, but anything can happen. I don't understand how the NBA works. There has to be

some sort of communication channel. Yeah, I would say. They're saying, but he wasn't convicted of anything, so, you know, he can play. They said, but the Glendale Police Department said, of communication channel yeah i would say they're saying but he wasn't convicted of anything so you know he can play they said uh but the glendale police department said mustaf is still a suspect

and the investigation is still in the hands of the glendale police department he was a suspect at the time the crime took place he remains a suspect to the to this day and the case is still open that was back then and it's murder murder as Murder, as as Bunk said on The Wire, murder stay murder. So it's any time. It's always murder. So they said he's been playing in Europe and he was very, very disappointed that he can't be on the on the Charlotte Hornets. Now, they said this is the Hornets vice president, Bob Bass. Upon reconsideration, we decided we're not in favor of this. That would have been the best thing he said. He said, upon reconsideration, we decided to go in a different direction. He does not fit into our team's plans. No.

No. And we have David Wingate. Yeah, we had fucking him. He's awful, too. So sources close to the team said that the Hornets failed to do their homework and then were embarrassed by the negative publicity. So they immediately did that. After news reports surfaced, the team contacted Romley's office, the prosecutor's office in Maricopa County, to inquire about the case and asked the Sons for copies of newspaper clippings about Mustap. They hadn't followed it at all. They were just like, tell me about this whole court case thing again here.

The next day he was waved. They were like, oh, God, this sounds terrible. Wow. Jesus Christ. They asked, they talked to Seattle about it. And Seattle said, we're concerned about basketball issues and evaluating basketball talent. That's all they would say. We do basketball.

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the same time the first question is can he play in the nba if i was a general manager and i saw a guy on the street uh on the street that if i went to safeway and saw a guy that was 6'10 i'd have to bring the guy in especially if you're not in the playoffs like your shit team it's not my fault i haven't been in the nba he just said it's not my fault it's not my fault all the reasons they don't want me it's also not my fault. It's not my fault, all the reasons they don't want me. It's also not my fault I averaged four points a fucking game over four years. Not my fault. I'm 6'10 with a pocket full of big league. Put me in.

Put me in. So the Sonics said the waiver claim on Gerard Mustapha has been deemed to be invalid, making him a free agent. And the Sonics do not offer him a contract. The team, such as the Sonics, oh, they were over the cap, so they couldn't sign him anyway. They were going to probably get rid of someone else. Yeah, so any NBA team can claim him now, though. So he's pretty fucked at this moment in time.

So, yeah, you got to kind of, you don't feel bad for him. You feel bad for anybody who he's ever impregnated. I'll tell you that much. That's pretty scary. And who I might also feel bad for, Jimmy. There aren't Gerard Mustafs, but there is, I believe this has to be his son, because this is him. Tara J. Mustaf II. Oh, God.

Tara Gerard Mustaf. That's his name. Gerard, Gerard mustaf that's his name gerard gerard mustaf the second he's a creator educator artist went to north carolina agricultural and technical state university and works for the new york city department of education he works in new york he's got to be his kid and then um and he's doing you know nice good things not trying to disparage the kid or anything like that and then there is one that is definitely his son as well that we'll talk about later because he's playing basketball and everything. So October 20th, 1996, he wonders, Gerard says, will his name ever be cleared so he can return to the NBA and then finally become a political leader?

Because that's what he's been trying to do. He's like, this is ridiculous. They're going to ruin my whole fucking. My whole gig. My whole gig, man. The Sonics were, wow. He was released immediately by the Hornets. Then the Sonics say they were unaware that Maricopa County prosecutors still suspected him, even though he hadn't been charged or indicted. Wow.

Wow. That is fucking crazy. He said, I thought Seattle would be prepared for it. It was like they knew that it was there. Holy fucking shit. That is that's a lot, man. That's a lot. So they they find out about it.

Obviously, everybody knows about it. And that's that's it. So they were asked, I guess. And that's it. So they were asked, I guess, Mustaf said, please, when he was at the first day at Sonic's training camp, he said to reporters to give him a chance to play and to not talk about these allegations. Please. Please. It really makes me think about it. Water under the bridge. You know what I mean? Please. You're blowing up my spot is what he's saying so uh upon hearing wustaf's words that night hayes's mother althea hayes started to cry when she heard him uh when she quote heard him saying all he wants is to play basketball why don't we let him play um and hazel hayes said he has a right to work at least

until he's arrested then she says but why didn't he let her have her baby that's what my daughter said to him before he had her murdered. Please, please leave me alone. All I want is my baby. So they filed a wrongful death suit, like we said. It's in preliminary stages there. And so they, I believe, they said the standard of proof is not as strict as in a criminal case here, similar to OJ's. So they were talking about who the fuck would sign him other than europe at that point now europe doesn't want him at all now char mustaf said quote once

somebody gets killed and you're an nba player you get tainted i don't think you you can take off when you're an nba player i think off of that right yeah I think that as long if they're in your orbit I mean you got you knocked her up and she's yeah you're gonna be tainted for a while your cousin's convicted of murdering her yeah that's not good who you just flew out

yeah and the father said I'm not sure how much you can do about that so he refused they talked about the um fifth amendment and mustaf said i never knew that taking the fifth amendment would make me look guilty really wow never seen any movies tv shows or anything huh never seen anything he said he hadn't dated the victim he didn't know she was pregnant he said she had a boyfriend but he didn't know much about her before she died he's just like i knew she was this woman i met but you know some gal this is well

after dna is confirmed that that is his child in there so he just keeps doing that he said he knew her because they ran in the same circles adding that he once recommended her as a secretary for an entertainment company uh so you know he said it just so happened that she was desperate for some money and was going to be receiving some in a few weeks. So I gave her a loan. He said, that's all it was. That's why they came over that day to give her a loan. That's it. That's it.

And that's all. It's ridiculous. Now I'm a murderer. This is fucking crazy. He said, I've been convicted without a trial. What about my innocence until proven guilty? They, the public public don't understand that i am human i hurt i cry i have feelings i have a family unbelievable you less children than

i should have but still a family whoa um that is wild um so hey by the way it's it's fucking they don't know what to do with he keeps keeps talking and fucking, Schar said, quote, he is on his way. Everything was in place. He had the background. He was well-read. I tried to groom that guy to be a role model and a leader. And he said that, you know, this is all fucked up now. He was ready.

He was ready. He said when Kim Davis informed him, this is back in college, a pleading filed by Wooten's attorney during the murder trial said that Mustaf impregnated a former girlfriend at Maryland when he was a freshman in 89. Quote, when Kim Davis informed him she was not going to have an abortion, as he requested, he became very angry with her and assaulted her, the memorandum said. And that's the one Mustaf says, no, no, no. He said they argued.

He tried to escort her out and she finally left that's how that worked you know how that goes here yeah she finally left after fucking uh blotting the blood from her nose he says quote oh boy i will do whatever i can to clear my name and continue to live a meaningful life. I want to improve relations between blacks and whites and Jews and others. And I think I can. Oh, boy. He thinks he can do it.

He's going to fix it all. Well, the one. You know what? The floor's open, Gerard. If you can still need to make harmony, do it. Then he says, though, as long as Arizona authorities believe he's still involved in a murder and he's a defendant in a wrongful death suit, he said, the questions are going to just keep coming. It's not going to be good for me. Hazel Hayes said, that's Althea's mom, most of the women I talk to say he sends a bad message to our young people, but I don't see athletes as role models.

She said they should live a life saying, yes, you can be the best you can and don't have anyone else's bloodstain on your hand. I would say not. Next year, he plays in Barcelona, another team in Spain, and he averages 13.2 points a game. Not good. In 1997, he's blaming the media again. He said, I feel I've been driven out by the media.

Anytime a man is not given due process, which I wasn't, I feel like I was blackballed. Again, he says, because of the media exposure, I didn't get a chance to compete. You had a prosecutor who wanted to run for office one day and a high profile case and people backed off. I don't even know if I'll ever get another chance at the NBA. If I don't, I'll try to do the best I can here and in a few years move on to something else yeah dude his cousin was convicted of a murder that he clearly had he would never know that woman without him no there's no way to connect and he's just in he's just in the public screaming this shit. He's out of his mind. November 1997, they're talking about he could still face charges. There's new shit come out.

A Glendale Police Department spokeswoman said an investigative report with the Maricopa County Attorney's Office contained what police believe to be sufficient grounds for a prosecution of Mustapha. This is in the newspaper. A spokesman for the county attorney says that the case has been in the hands of prosecutors for a relatively short time and is still under investigation. So he goes, he plays for that team again, 12.5 points a game now. It's going down every year, falling apart. He's still not old yet either. He's like 30. So he plays in Europe.

So he plays in Europe. He says, quote, my career after the NBA brought me to Spain where I learned a lot about myself and elements of the game from one of the best coaches of all time. Coach taught me patience, how to slow the game down, and how to see the game for what it is. Beyond the game, he encouraged me to explore Europe through sightseeing, understand the culture better, and recommended books to read. Maybe kill three, four of our women. Who knows? When I played overseas for him, it was a shared experience with passing timing, team concept versus individual accomplishments, sacrifice, making your teammates better through leadership.

An athlete's professional career will eventually come to a close, so enjoy it while it lasts, but most importantly, realize it only represents several chapters of your life and not your entire legacy on earth that will be murder right obviously so 1998 here uh maricopa county records show that mustaf fathered five children by five different women at this point. Not counting Althea Hayes. That's there. And ordered Mustaf to pay child support to one of them at this point.

Pick one and pay them. I don't fucking care. That same year, Mustaf files for bankruptcy in Maryland, even though he was playing in Europe and earning more than $141,000 a month, according to a lawyer's report. A month? A month. Also, in 1998, Mustaf settles an unspecified amount of wrongful death suit filed by Althea Hayes' parents.

Oh, boy. That's September 1998. They settle. Three days before the whole thing, they offered the Hayes' $50,000 to $100,000, and that was the estimated amount it would take to defend the case. So they offered the hazes 50 to 100 000 and that was the estimated amount it would take to defend the case so they offered him that and they took it so that's all there is and they said that romley the prosecutor said we will be utilizing all the power within this office to obtain all information that may be obtained from the civil suit, maybe we can get something out of that.

So, 1998 or so, he marries a woman. Who? Okay. Shalimar Muhammad, who is the niece of Louis Farrakhan. Is that right? That is Louis Farrakhan's niece, who is the Nation of Islam leader. Bow tie. You know who he is.

Yeah. They have a child too. Of course they do. Why not? He's very fertile. He's building a fucking basketball team. He's building something. February 2001 Mustafa has another problem here. He's charged with second degree assault for reportedly

attacking Shalimar in February 2001. You can't do that. Can't do that. Shalimar Mustafaaf calls herself Jared Mustaf's wife, although the home they are sharing was listed as her temporary residence and court documents. So after the reported assault, Shalimar sought protection from Mustaf. In March, he was ordered by the Maryland District Court to stay away from her home, the school her son attends, and her place of employment.

Then he was arrested for violating that protective order. Yeah, of course. He has been charged with entering the residence and attempting to contact his wife where she works. The trial for assault and the dual violations of the protective order is now scheduled. And he says that when he first agreed, he said that he does an interview, but then changes his mind because basically he does an interview, then the charges come out that day, then the next day when he's supposed to do the interview that he agreed to,

he says, I don't want to do the interview anymore. He says he changed his mind. There's nothing further to say. So Shalamar tells the media, my husband and I are fine. Gerard and I are having no problems. We're going through some personal changes. Oh. Yeah, that's interesting.

But in the application for statement of charges pertaining to the assault, she had a different story. She said that he slapped her face, pulled her ponytail, and slammed her face into the bed. Quote, then he picked up our five-foot lamp and went to hit me and my six-month-old in the head. He at some point realized that he was about to hit his son, so he put the lamp down. He told me I had one month to get out of his house with my two children or else he would make my life a nightmare. She also said that her son's face was smashed due to her falling on him after Gerard slapped her. Quote, I live in fear for me and my children. She said that Mustafa pulled a knife on her also and said that I better have sex with him or he would not let me out of the house after he had stayed out all night long with another woman.

Of course he did. Yeah. So in another statement, she wrote that Mustafa was removed from the home for violating the restraining order. She said, quote, my son, which is his stepson, is scared of him and thinks he's going to harm him because Gerard put him out of the house. Yikes. Shalamar also told the court that Mustapha removed some of her belongings from the house, including passports, medical records, work files and pictures. And he was arrested for that. Fuck. And then she said that there's no problems, though,

and the only reason why there's a protective order and those statements were made was, quote, I got some bad advice. Okay. Okay. A cop? And she just said, no further statement. I'm just trying to lead a positive life.

Okay. Interesting. They asked him about it later. He's quoted in the New York Times as saying, quote, I've had all kinds of problems with women. I've seen women try all types of things. That's the one from before, which I think is perfect for right here. So 2003, he's conducting a New York Knicks learning from the pros basketball camp for kids ages 7 to 17.

Why do they allow that? There's no fetuses, so nobody's in any danger. Yeah, but why do they allow a man who has the shadow of murder around him? We know. I will say this. Remember when we talked about Vernon Maxwell and we said that he had 35 arrests and none of them were on his Wikipedia page? There's nothing on Gerard's Wikipedia page, anything negative at all. Nothing.

It's just he does charity, he played in the NBA, doing fine. That's it. Oh, my God. The NBA fucking scrubs that shit. They scrub your Wikipedia page. If you have anything to do with the league at all in the last 20 years, they will make you look like an angel. It's fucking crazy.

What the shit, man? They will make you look like an angel. It's fucking crazy. What the shit, man? So February 26th, 2006, the N1 tour here is going on. And that's all happening here. Gerard Moustaphe, who was president of the Maryland-based Street Basketball Association. Jesus. Yeah.

He said that they were playing a street basketball game and saying that they could uh you know it's going to be nice for he's trying to give back he says uh january 4th 2008 okay a staff member the sun's staff they were doing retro night where like retro sun shit so they had the pink satin rick's ladies jacket jackets for team president rick welts head athletic trainer aaron nelson uh paid homage to joe prosky with his classic white warm-up jacket and white pants assistant athletic uh trainer mike elliott sported an al bianchi look that's an old coach from the ABA. Oh, boy. With plaid pants and a white belt, like my grandfather. And the broadcast

team kept the telecast vintage with Tom Leander's gold chains and Tom Chambers' turtleneck. Or, turtleneck. Turtleneck. The only thumbs down went to one staff member's choice of a Gerard Mustaff warm-up. That's amazing.

Who did it? Some staffer on the suns it's one of the fucking with a sense of humor yeah with a sense of fucking humor that would have been us through yeah running around with a mustaf jersey yeah so jesus christ stop warm-up that's hysterical that's fucking wild so yeah they do it he does a a q a on the street basketball thing because some of the n1 people are there and uh it'd be you and musaf and me in a doomless jersey yeah yeah that's what we'd have totally so november 13th 2014 apparently uh the gbcc i don't know what the fuck that is great basketball community college i think it is take charge juvenile diversion program is still going on and he you can email

him there for jarrod.mustaf at takechargeprogram.org my God. And that's still going on, so there's advertisements for that in the Baltimore Sun. Yeah. April 22, 2019, there's an article in Sports Illustrated about this whole shit. Now, it's still coming up, still coming back here. It's not going to go away. The murder, they said he's been,

his cousin had been transferred throughout arizona was in florence at that moment in time yeah um he's now 51 spent shitloads of his life in jail and they talked to him and he says it's day-to-day man this is wooten who's in prison yeah he said he's filled his days and months and years playing dominoes and basketball and he says quote i'm getting too old for that now basketball he says he's filled his days and months and years playing dominoes and basketball. And he says, quote, I'm getting too old for that now, basketball. He says he's had a series of maintenance jobs in there, you know, doing all of his shit. He's also had 14 disciplinary infractions. Oh.

But that's over 25 years. I mean, that'll happen. That's one a year. He says that he was wrongly convicted and wrongly accused. He doesn't even know Mustaf and Hayes. He didn't even know they were involved. Never mind that Moustapha knocked her up. Okay.

He said, you got no physical evidence against me. No facts. You don't have no prior history of me doing any of these types of things. And you charge me with this? How is that possible? Weren't you at the trial? Well, he said they wanted another oj oh he said he claims he was being um he was being a clay he was being investigated by a crooked cop

and received ineffective assistance of counsel and he also points to his predominantly a predominantly non-black jury pool and um welcome to phoenix dog i was gonna say you want don't kill anyone in phoenix if you want any kind of black people on your jury pool there he theorizes both the sons and jerry colangelo played a role too and there he was they said uh he said they were concerned about the publicity of having a stain on their players he says he hull harbors no hard feelings for his ex-girlfriend who flipped on him and told the cops that she lied for him and got criminal immunity and all that kind of shit he said hey she was going to lose her kids so what are you going to do he said all of a sudden the state come and say

you was an accessory to the murder they're going to take your kids from you i ain't got bad feelings for nobody but the prosecution's office okay he says uh he's remained loyal to his cousin, Mustafa. He says, That's my family, man. Friends, partners, associates come and go. Blood is forever. When you look back on your life, family is family, good or bad. But me and Gerard is me and Gerard.

Well, you killed your second cousin. Yeah, he's in there. He was in there, she. We don't know yet. I don't have anything bad to say about Gerard. Gerard ain't did nothing. That's what he said. So he's still not doing shit, to say this.

He's saying he didn't do it. He's saying he's innocent. He's saying he's innocent as fuck, man. Yeah, that's a lot. So the family, though, they think that it's none of that shit. I mean, Althea's cousin, Tierman Spencer, the one she called, said, quote, Mustaf colluded. He orchestrated and ordered a hit.

The weakest case you could pull together is conspiracy. I've seen conspiracy convictions when people only talk once. I think there was something afoul in Maricopa County. I don't know if it was driven by the ball club or what, but they did not connect the dots. The dots were not difficult to connect. I know there was not justice. I don't know how you charge the cousin and you don't charge him. Right.

I don't know how you do that. You try them together because it goes together. It makes no sense. He knows nothing about her without him. He was flown in that day. He was flown in that day and then killed somebody and you convict him of that. Obviously, the only reason is because Gerard did it. It's fucking insane

there's no other conclusion to get to yeah he said allegedly so they ask yeah they ask romley he says he's got a totally different recollection of the whole thing he says he knew both skull and the glendale police were eager for the prosecution but that romley recalls that vast majority of his staff opposed it for one thing many of the people who have been called to testify were either unavailable or unreliable. Romley says, look, I know KC, the old prosecutor, very, very well. I respect him. He has tremendous trial skills, but sometimes he goes a little bit too hard. And Skull, in retirement, says, I think even today, if the U.S. Attorney's Office would take this case on, it could be won.

He says it's still all there. You know, they said, obviously, he had a lot of shit going on. They said, Mustaf says that situation in the summer of 93, that's what he calls it. He said that taint still haunts him and in and other ways i don't even know about he says and things that ways i don't even know about it's hurt me he says it's cynical i'm cynical about everything now syria has weapons of mass destruction yeah right he says uh he said he says that referring to the case he says he's seen people do devious things and witnessed evidence being planted that was admitted. So, yeah.

He says it's all bullshit. It's led to him documenting every event in his life. His home and office are now filled with notebooks and calendars. That's right. So he's going to document everything he does. Okay. And he wants to write a memoir. Oh, really?

Oh, yeah. I want to reserve the right to tell my story. Oh, please tell it. whoa um that is fucking wild i'd love to hear that let's hear let's hear your deal he said that i oh my god this is fucking crazy um they talk about all this shit mustaf is talking about he was young wealthy socially conscious doing all of his shit um he couldn't be linked to the murder he said i thought the whole entire thing was ridiculous. I didn't understand the seriousness of it then. I said, y'all are crazy.

It didn't make any sense to me. Then I saw what the DA's office leaked and threw out there. In hindsight, damn, that was serious. You didn't realize murder was serious? I don't think they had as many clues and evidence as they did. What the fuck? That is fucking crazy. He says also that he was a vocal opponent he was vocal about shit that went on in the suns that weren't good so

he thinks probably colangelo helped the cops a little bit there um that's fucking crazy i don't even know what to say about that i don't know what to say about that. So he's trying to do something. He tried to get like a basketball league together for the take charge shit and everything. He says, trust me, I don't always understand it and don't know if anyone else does. Sometimes it's like there's a disconnect, you know?

What? That's life in general. February 24th, 2020. Jesus Christ. Fans were urged by police to stay away from the staples center during the memorial for kobe bryant unless they had a ticket okay more than 80 000 applied for the lottery of tickets which had prices and all that kind of thing gerard and his 14 year old son uh just booked their flight from maryland to to bid Kobe a farewell before they knew they needed tickets. What are you going to be there for?

You didn't even play with the kid. He just showed up, man. So he showed up there, couldn't get in. Now, he showed up with his son, Jaden, and Jaden wears War 24 for a long time in honor of Kobe Bryant. It says his net worth is, and I don't know what he's been up to,

but it says, like we know that this is not reliable, but it says it's $437,000. Huh. I don't know how he'd have any money at this point, considering he was bankrupt 20 years ago, apparently, allegedly. And his son at this point can't get enough. Well, there's more coming. Oh, boy.

His son, Jaden Must mustaf is a class of 20 uh 2024 so he'll be graduating high school next year at carmel christian school in charlotte north carolina and um as a young player he was given the nickname little kobe as partly because he would figure out a way to get his shot off but he's grown into a more complete player with an acute basketball IQ and also a 3.4 GPA as well. Oh, he's a smart kid. So he's doing well. And he is the – oh, by the way, he is the – this is his son with Sasha. Yeah.

That's his son with Sasha. But I didn't know this. Sasha was the first ball girl for the New York Knicks in 1989. She was the first ball girl, and she was also Miss Trinidad and Tobago in 1990. Oh, she is a smoke show. Smoke show. Absolute smoke show. Jesus Christ.

Making Rihanna look like shit. You know what I mean? Like a smoke show. Miss Trinidad and Tobago. And he's throwing that back? No, shoving it around. That, everybody, is Gerard Moustapha in a crazy episode. show miss trinidad and tobago throwing that back no you're shoving it around something so that everybody is gerard mustaf in a crazy episode and that's we did a full-length one pretty much on

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