Crime in Sports - #369 - Everybody's Rival - Bill Romanowski

Episode Date: August 22, 2023

This week, we cover a man who seemingly no one likes. He's the type of guy who you only like, if he plays for your team, but not necessarily if you play on his team. He attacked teammates, ended careers, took cheap shots, all while playing at a high level, and earning 4 rings, and causing a state & federal drug probe. Turns out, he may have had some chemical help with his accomplishments, but that might also help explain his wild behavior!Play the game at 1000%, take some things to help you play the game at 1000%, and have no respect for anyone else on the field with Bill Romanowski!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Get in there. Without further ado, i think it's time for the asshole of the day here and this guy's a real asshole he really is yeah this is a guy don't like as a person i think he's a real jackass and uh he's just the type of human being that i see and i go nope not my kind of guy uh bill romanowski everybody oh bell you jerk you stupid dumb you dumb dumb love them for a sec yeah blink a blink here's the thing about him i'm not i will be fair as much as i can't stand this man as a person um he is a was a very very good football player unbelievable based a lot on his own will also steroids and you know or whatever uh you know

i don't know alleged not even alleged i think he's been caught he's admitted it yeah and also all sorts of whatever the hell he was putting an hgh i don't know what it was exactly i'm not a doctor but it was definitely chemically enhanced also effort though so sure you know as a player i do definitely respect him and much like we said chris benoit was a great wrestler and then he murdered his family, this guy, huge asshole, also a pretty good player. So we'll be fair as we can be. One of only a few, a handful of people who has two rings with two different teams.

I think so. Yes, he is. He's on a short list there. And the Broncos. And the Broncos. Yeah, he's on a short list. Yeah, and he's not really the contributing, you know, he was. No, I assure you, Terrell Davis and John Elway.

Joe Montana, Steve Young, John Elway. He had, his quarterbacks were literally three of the top ten quarterbacks in the history of the league. So he has been blessed with being on some pretty fucking lucky teams. Let's be realistic here. Yeah, his salary happened to fit in the cap of really great teams. But he's also starting middle linebacker, so that's something. He's a good player. So you need a guy like that.

William Thomas Romanowski is his full name here. Oh, Billy Tommy. Old Billy Tom Romanowski. He's born April 2, 1966. He's from Connecticut. Did you know that? Really? Yes, he's from Rockville, Connecticut. That's where he was born. I knew he went to Boston College.

He went to high school in Connecticut as well. He's a big guy too. 6'4", 245. He's a big hunk of humanity. He's not a guy that I would... A hunk of humanity? He's a hunk of humanity. he's not a guy that i would you know of humanity he's a hunk of humanity just a giant chunk of of person i think chunk is a better word because he's oh yeah a hunker i don't

mean a hunk like oh he's hungry i just mean like if you hacked a hunk off of something give me a hunk of that roast beef that's what his brain is a hunk of roast beef yeah yeah he's got roast beef brain uh bill romanowski here yeah and uh he is known as by the way it's it's later on we'll get into it but he he really likes to fuck with mark chamora who we obviously like to fuck with too but for very different reasons we like to do it because he probably diddled a teenage girl child that's why we like to do it he at least took a hot tub with her uh whereas romanowski likes to make fun of him for being dumb, which is hilarious that they were on the same Boston College team.

He likes to call him dumb. And later on, there's a quote where someone's like, if anybody, Chamorro is pretty dumb, but if anybody could beat him to the dumbness title, it's Bill Romanowski. Like they're like, he's's i don't think when i think of tight race when i think of people who could be uh mensa candidates bill romanowski doesn't run to the top of that no no he's not a bright man it doesn't seem like it seems like a dummy yeah he definitely seems remember him on pros versus joes it was like the he's been in so many things that like do a bonus episode on pros versus joes oh we should we definitely will one of these days It was like the... I remember... He's been in so many things that like...

We could do a bonus episode on pros versus Joes. Oh, we should. We definitely will one of these days, yeah. Was that the one where people tried to race Ocho Cinco? They would compete against professional athletes in the sport that they were like, you know, fucking all-star slash pro ball slash hall of famers in that they were like you know all-star slash pro ball slash hall of famers and because they were like i'm a i'm fucking pretty athletic i never like made it anywhere or nothing i played in high school but i'm pretty athletic and it's like

now you're gonna try to rebound over dennis rodman which i've seen and rodman just like taps it to himself a couple of times he barely has to move because he's six foot nine and knows what he's doing i'm just as good as as rodman but i got my fridge ticket so now i work on now i work on ac it's the week i read a quote in this thing about pros versus joes where rebecca lobo who's the wmba player she was a you know it's like a wmba hall of famer or whatever she said i i missed my i missed my daughter's first steps because i was recording pros versus joes late at night with John Rocker. And I was like, what a terrible fucking fate. That's just so sad.

What a horrible sentence. It was like they put some normal guy in the ring with Roy Jones Jr. and have him get punched in the face. Unbelievable. They have guys shooting hockey pucks at people. It was like, what are you doing? These are people who do superhuman feats will clark hitting uh hot shots down the first base at guys trying to fucking i've seen that it's crazy running grounders and a plumber yeah the one guy trying to tackle cordell stewart was

pretty funny he was just like ups guy yeah he's just like cordell barely makes a move and the guy just falls down to the fucking wrong side. You know, you're not tackling him. And then Romanowski. It was try to get past Romanowski. Yeah. Which you're not. You're not going to do it. He's drilling people. These guys are normal guys.

And he takes special glee and hurting them, you can tell. That's the best one. It's got to gotta be it is sort of appropriate in this thing too because they have the guys like talk a bunch of shit too and like really you really want to see them get crushed you know what i mean you really want to see them get crushed because the athlete's like oh yeah oh okay yeah sure man sure like the fucking ball so fucking weird what a weird scenario um so anyway back to Romanowski here his parents are I we don't know I don't know if he's an exact junior but his dad is also Bill

Romanowski so I don't know I don't know if he was really Thomas would make a lot of sense so he's an honorary junior if nothing else Romanowski close he's as dumb as a junior, I'll tell you that much. So Donna and Bill here, he has five siblings. Bill does growing up. Really? Yeah, absolutely. His parents had a dairy farm in Vernon, Connecticut. Is that right?

Yeah, dairy farm. Apparently here, his father really, I guess his father used to play baseball and was pretty good at it so his father really encouraged him and to play sports and he did and he you know ends up playing for his high school team which was rockville at the time as a freshman and he was six feet tall 170 pounds when he first started that's big yeah he said that but he needed to bulk up he knew he knew he had to bulk up. Well, yeah, he's 170 pounds. You're not going to be able to, you can't blow guys up, you know,

pop them in the chest. You can blow up high schoolers for sure. Yeah, not if you're a freshman and they're 200, though. That's the problem. He's like, I got to be bigger than the 200-pound kids and the juniors, you know. So his high school football coach said he filled out in his last two years. I wonder what that was. He had an outstanding

work ethic and played every down as if it were the last down in a championship game at times we had to try to tone him down a bit so that he wouldn't expend all of his energy before the game was over oh you mean like uh roid rage you know like a guy who's they sound like they have to like just put him in a direction and send him that way and he's just like cross-eyed and fucking slamming his fists in the dirt yeah low cog cross-eyed fist slamming fucking moron here that's what they make him sound like so he uh he he was crazy though on the field like he was in the nfl as it never changed i guess his coach said he had an outstanding work ethic though that's what he kept saying outstanding work ethic he was

dedicated to his teammates and he played through injuries and everything else they said in his senior year he had a really bad fever and an infection and he played through it and got you know more than 10 tackles so he was crushing shit so uh colleges were starting to look at him and he looked at either boston college or notre dame i want to go somewhere irish is what i'm trying to get at that's what he said i want to go somewhere that's just very irish and uh i'm shocked he went to boston college rather well unless no one didn't want him yeah no no he could have i think it's just closer yeah he liked he wanted to go somewhere close and at the time too this is the 80s here which is doug flutie's at boston college sure boston college was actually like a powerhouse at the time this is when they did the the big

hail mary and you know beat miami and yeah this is when he's there so it's a boston college he picked the right place he always seems to end up in the right place at the right time Romanowski wow it's a weird thing I wonder if I'd have to ask him but I wonder if Gary Goldman was trying out for this team I swear to God I thought you were going to need Romanowski I'd have to ask him like you have from like how are you going to ask Romanowski

he's going to kill us after this he's going to want to tackle us trying to get past me after this I'd have to ask Gary Goldman if this is the team he tried out for, because he was supposed to play for Boston College, and he fucking quit. Yeah? Football? Yeah.

I don't know if he got hit. We'd have to find out what age he was. Maybe Romanowski. Maybe he's like, I'm not playing with this asshole. He's close to that age. Well, maybe he's close to that. He just didn't want to play with an asshole like Romanowski. know what i'm gonna go write material about you you're a moron and then he just took off that's possible yeah that's better making funny i'm gonna do that

london's a smart guy so yeah romanowski um he arrived there in the summer of 84 he didn't think he was going to be able to play in his freshman year they thought he was going to redshirt him here but he said the coach said no he knew he need to get this guy on the field he's a crazy son of a bitch and we got to get out there but this year is 84 they go 10 and 2 boston college so not bad doug flutie at quarterback i mean this is a they're a national powerhouse i mean people are looking at him as a team. People pay attention to them. He said, my goal coming in was to make the traveling team,

maybe play special teams and try to work my way up. I thought there was no way I would play linebacker in my freshman year. Next thing I knew, I was on a plane headed for Alabama to play on special teams. Playing Alabama. Yeah, got a major powerhouse thrown right into it so he would get more and more playing time as the season concluded here um they placed they faced houston in the in the cotton bowl and uh romanowski had a great game he he kicked ass the eagles won this is boston college eagles they won 45 to 28 he had 13 tackles, big game for him, and this is all as a freshman.

And 11 unassisted tackles were a Cotton Bowl record. Really? He became the first true freshman to earn the Outstanding Defensive Player in the Cotton Bowl award. Unreal. Yeah, he's had a great time. He did great. Romanowski said,

The attitude on the field was different that day than at any other time during the season. We were all playing together and pulling for each other. So they won. There you go. Yeah, not too bad here. So they end up 1985. He played in all 12 games.

Wow, not bad. In 1985, the Boston College is only 4-8 this year because Doug Flutie left. Doug Flutie leaves, you got problems. That's the issue there. About all that is. Oh, wow, Tom Waddle was on this team. Remember him?

Little Bears wide receiver. Little tough Chicago Bears wide receiver. Little tiny white guy that used to get the shit knocked out of him all the time. He'd get up all concussed and shit and just wander back to the huddle and they'd be like wow he's tough like don bb yeah what worse though waddle was like his whole game was like look at him his helmet's on sideways he's walking to the wrong sideline they just turn him around send him back to the huddle and he runs a pattern on the next play that was his whole game there's a runs a pattern looking out the eye hole looking out the ear hole of his helmet.

There's a game, and I've seen the highlights that they show, where he literally is out fucking cold on the field. They fucking wave some smelling salts in his face, pop him up, and then he's scoring a touchdown on the next drive, getting drilled in the end zone, and they have to help him up, and he doesn't know where he is. they're like that and the announcers are going that tom waddle such a tough guy he just forgot both his kids names but man is he tough look at him i wonder where he is today i don't know i hope he's doing well but i bet you he's doesn't remember he's might be doing well

just because he doesn't remember what that is like. I don't know. It feels like he might be pissing his pants a lot. I don't know. I hope not. I hope not, poor guy. I mean, they really didn't do much for him in terms of trying to keep him safe. So that's kind of scary.

85, though, Bill, 12 games. He has an interception, which is decent here. 86, they go 9-3 during that season, which is good, coming back again. Did they go to a bowl? I don't think they go to a bowl here, though. So, again, Sean. 9-6, they didn't? I don't think so.

9-3. They must have gone somewhere, but it doesn't say they went anywhere. Maybe they didn't accept a bowl bid. Maybe they were going for one bowl and didn't get it and didn't want to go to the weed whacker bowl. I don't know. That's very possible. The Scott's Turf fucking bowl. Yeah, that happened sometimes back then when there was always a lot of bowls, but there's less.

Now there's a fucking bowl everywhere. You can turn down the weed and feed bowl? You can turn down any bowl. That's all except for the big ones that were like this conference champion plays this conference champion. All the rest were just invites. So they'd try to, yeah, it was them trying to put a game together that people would come see. That's all it is. That's all ball games were, just spectacles, basically.

Yeah, they were horseshit, except for like two of them. So, yeah, this year, the better year this year, Romanowski is playing in all 11 games. He has four interceptions this year. Wow. Seems to be dropping back in coverage a lot. Not bad, though. Oh, it's the Hall of Fame Bowl this year they play in. They beat the Georgia Bulldogs 27-24 that year.

That's great. Not bad. So 87, he's playing all four years in Boston College. They go 5-6, Boston College does. Mediocre again. Again, their quarterback that they just had left so now they've got to start back well yeah start back over again so romanowski plays in 11 games has two interceptions this year and uh he said that

he wanted to take his role as a college athlete seriously he said quote while my friends were out until four or five in the morning my self-imposed curfews were designed to ensure eight hours of sleep minimum. Self-imposed, self-imposed. I'm getting sleep, baby. How about that? I wonder why everyone thinks he's an asshole. I can't imagine. So, I mean, that's fine.

You need to get your rest. That's good. So and especially him. He's I don't know. He wasn't the fastest guy. He wasn't the most athletic guy. So I guess he needed to have all of his rest, have his body full of whatever substances and then focus 110 percent to be good. Otherwise, maybe he wouldn't have been as good.

So but his hits were fucking electric. He would lay everything he had into you. Maybe that's probably contributing to why he's so dumb. Also, how many times do you leave his head and fucking do that so he thinks he's just hurting them yeah but no he's like i don't know what the fuck i see stars too but look at him he's down that's that used to be the attitude though right it's i mean yeah you'll get up hit him harder that's all it was make sure he hurts more than you so it's weird not really his fault that's just football at that time so he earned the george bugler or george bulger low award as new england's top college football player for whatever's that that's worth there he did have a b average also in the classroom that's why he thinks he's so smart yeah and i'm

sure that he did all of his work i'm sure all of it was all of it was his yeah there was no his penmanship never any of the cheerleader booster organization would ever do any homework for him that would be absolutely beneath him i'm sure he was the recipient of the thomas f scanlon memorial award as bc's top scholar athlete. A B average is their top scholar athlete. That's embarrassing. Do you know how many fucking athletes they have at a college? There's 110 guys on the football team. Never mind.

And they're all going, he got a B? Oh, man. Oh, I can't top that. I'm dumb. Don't get me wrong. I didn't go to college at all. But I feel like out of 110 people just on the football team, there's no kicker who's smart, a punter who's – There's not somebody that is on the bench that doesn't have to play every week that has time to study more?

Backup quarterback who's into physics, you know, none of that shit. What happened to that guy? Where's that guy? We only shoot for Bs because Boston starts with C. physics you know none of that shit that's what happened to that guy where's that guy we only we only shoot for bees because boston starts with feet yeah that's maybe that's the thing but top scholar athlete that's of all the athletes everybody there's not a shot putter or a fucking they have a baseball team nobody on the girls track team has over a b average you're telling me women's track or you know i don't care any pick a fucking sport just

incredible wow that is a dumb dumb dumb fucking doing nothing for the dumb jock stereotypes and boston college is like a good college it's known as so they're like well we'll we're definitely slubbing here we'll take whatever dumb shit morons wash up ashore as long as they can run around a field so he's a scholar top scholar he graduated with academic honors and won the scanlon award here so 1988 nfl draft here by the way 1988 1988 nfl draft by the way this season who is the offensive mvp or who's the mvp of the league this year never mind 88 88 who's the mvp of the nfl i don't have is it joe montana boomer esiason is it real absolutely is mvp mv most athletic man in the league that's the guy there so this is this year uh number one overall pick 1988 draft jimmy 88 we've talked about it once or twice a couple years ago though it's been a while is it a wide receiver for tampa it is

certainly not no it was a linebacker for atlanta who went on to i believe play tight end eventually for a bit oh oh wait andre bruce oh no i don't know who that is number two neil smith i know you know who that is kansas city defensive end because he chased john elway around for years you sure did yeah benny blades paul gruber ricky dixon from cincinnati tim brown hall of famer number six overall michael irvin number 11 overall that's what we talked about number seven sterling sharp good year for wide receivers. Sterling Sharp should be in the Hall of Fame, by the way. Should, yeah.

That's ridiculous. The injury killed his career. Yeah, he was a Hall of Famer. He was so fucking good. Nobody was catching as many passes as him at the time he went down. Maybe Chris Carter? No, not in numbers. He was setting records at that time.

Yeah. Him and Favre. For most catches? Most catches, yeah, because Favre was throwing at him every time. He was setting records at that time. Yeah. Him and Favre. For most catches? Most catches, yeah, because Favre was throwing at him every time. He was like a security blanket. Yeah. There's that guy, but still three receivers that are that incredible in the top 11. That's pretty impressive.

Big year for them. Also, Anthony Miller. Remember him for a while? He was on Denver. He was San Diego. He went to Denver. He was a good little receiver, too. John Stevens.

Oh, Ironhead was number 24. Remember Ironhead Hayward? No. Ironhead from New Orleans, big giant fullback who ran the ball all the time. He was fucking awesome. So Thurman Thomas is in the second round. Another Hall of Famer. Second round?

Second rounder here. Not bad, though. Yeah, Thurman Thomas, second round, mid-second rounder, 40th overall Hall of Famer. Pittsburgh, Dermonte Dawson, Hall of Famer there. Then third round here, San Francisco selects Bill Romanowski with the 80th overall pick. Wow. Third rounder. That's a good – that's a value pick there.

That's a very value – yes, exactly. You're getting a lot of value for that pick absolutely the next guy after him never played in the nfl is that right yep so that's how that's how the third round can go you know what i mean you can get a hall of famer like there's some you can get a great player you can get nobody nothing you never know so 88 49ers this is a i mean you're coming into a dynasty oh jesus this is the year they beaters, this is a, I mean, you're coming into a dynasty. Oh, Jesus. This is the year they beat the Bengals with the last-minute drive down the field with Jerry Rice cutting up the field and John Taylor getting the touchdown. Good one.

They go 10-6 this year, actually, because I believe Montana started out the year hurt, if I'm not mistaken. They beat Minnesota in the playoffs 34-9. They beat the Bears 28-3. So, I mean, they're crushing people. And then that great Super Bowl against Cincinnati. One of the best ones I've ever seen. An iconic catch.

Yep. That and Tim Crumry's leg breaking and them showing it wiggling back and forth. Oh, God. His shin broke in half. Oh, God. And they show his foot flopping back and forth in slow motion like eight times after it happens. It's gross. As a kid, I was like, God. His shin broke in half. Oh, God. They show his foot flopping back and forth in slow motion like eight times after it happens. It's gross. As a kid, I was like, ew, nasty.

But this is a great team. Roger Craig, Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Joe Montana, Tom Rathman. You know, they're loaded. Ronnie Lotz in the fucking defensive backfield. Terrific fucking team this is. I mean, wow. Lucky to come into that team as a rookie here he plays in all 16 games and starts eight for really that kind of team yeah he had

three forced fumbles um one fumble recovery no sacks but that's all right that's fine so yeah does very well for himself gets a super bowl ring right away oh yeah boom ring like that walsh coach team yeah that's still bill walsh coach team yeah that's still bill walsh there and then george seaford takes over the next year when they kick the living shit out of the broncos in the super bowl so the next year stink face next year one of the strongest teams of all time 14 and 2 oh jesus 14 and 2 rolling. They beat the Vikings 41-13 in the playoffs. That's a fun game to watch. The next game, 30-3 against the Rams.

Jesus Christ. And then in the Super Bowl, that game was over in the first quarter. It was over when it started. Done. 55-10. And it just felt like they were piling on. They were just kicking the living balls off the Broncos. That was very, very sad, that game.

I liked the Broncos and hated the Niners, so I was very upset about that. So, again, he's got two rings now, and really he could have not played a down and they would have won both those rings. He had nothing to do with either of these rings, nothing. If he got hurt in game one, his knee exploded, they would have still fucking went 14 and 2 and done great because he only started four games this year yeah played in 16 he's not the key to the success for absolutely not they'll plug somebody else in they have jerry

fucking rice and they have literally montana to rice is their connection here. It's literally the most famous quarterback-receiver combo together ever. So, yeah. They really didn't need anybody else. Yeah, Montana to Rice. They have a good defense, a good offensive line, good running backs. They had legendary Bill Walsh with the West Coast offense that nobody could fucking mess with. It was a lot.

He had one interception and one forced fumble. Yeah, they could have won the Super Bowl very easily. It might have been 55-13, maybe, we'll say, at most. And I doubt it. Because, no, in the Super Bowl here, he, on the playoffs, he had the playoffs, he didn't even have, he had no, like, stats in the playoffs. I think he was just mainly playing special teams there. So 1990, they go 14 and 2 again this is one of my favorite losses for the niners ever because they

beat uh washington pummeled them in the divisional round and then lost 15 to 13 somehow to the giants that year that giants team that had no business winning the super bowl and somehow just ground all these great offensive teams down to a fucking nub. They've done that before, James. They've done it several times. That was the game that broke Joe Montana. I mean, they did it to the Patriots. They did it to the Niners.

That's what they do. It's fucking awesome. I do enjoy that. It's the best team for that. Yeah, they will. They'll really just go, how the fuck did that happen once in a while but this is the new york jets do it one game a season uh against the team they have no business beating just in the season regular season they've done it in the soup they've done it and when it counted once in a century it's been it's literally been like almost

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I have a crystal ball in my head. It's an all new season. It's streaming. You can say anything. Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. Been a bit of a stretch for them on that one. But every season the Jets will get some team that they have no business beating like terribly.

Just in the regular season. Then they won't make the playoffs. But the Giants will have a mediocre ass season. And for no reason at all have an unbelievable playoff. The Giants actually during the season, I think they were 13-3 that year. They were a very good team. When the Niners and Giants met

on Monday Night Football, I think it was the 11th game. They were both 10-0 coming in, I want to say. Oh, shit. And the Niners won the game 7-3. I remember watching it. It was a slog of a game. Phil Simms got in a fight with Ronnie Lott at the end of the game. I remember that. That was fucking it was a slog of a game phil sims got in a fight with ronnie lott at the end of the game i remember that that was great but this game is the game where montana did his little oh there goes lawrence taylor i'll stop and then leonard marshall

drilled him in the back with all 300 pounds of him and broke every bone in his body and he was out for two years he just broke him in pieces he was destroyed his neck his wrist his shoulders back he had like 14 injuries it took him two years to come back it was a disgrace i loved it i remember my father screaming and yelling going yeah says they showed joe montana with big hunks of dirt in his helmet well he got he just was trying to lift his head and he had huge chunks of turf so i remember steve young when he came, he picked the turf out of his helmet because he looked like a – he couldn't even pick the turf out of his helmet, Montana.

He was so fucked up. And I loved it at the time. They shipped him off to Kansas City. And he went to Kansas City, where he was good. He was good, yeah. Curse of Kansas City at the time. Not going to happen. They've overcome that lately.

So that year, they lose in the NFC Championship game anyway that year. So, oh, boy. Romo here, what does he do? He starts all 16 games this year, has one sack, and that's his only stat, 79 tackles. So not bad, but it's his first year starting, and the NFL is tough. 91, they go 10-6 that year and miss the playoffs. That was one of those years where 10-6 wouldn't get you in. That year,

I believe this is the first year, yeah, Steve Young started this year for the first time. And Romanowski from, we don't know where exactly this is from here, but between Ian and myself, our best guess is right here. Romanowski one time says he threw a microwave at a teammate.

A whole microwave? A whole microwave. Not a hot pocket. Picked it up and lobbed it across the room? The whole thing, yeah. The guy said, will you get that for me? He said, yeah, sure. My lasagna's done.

Yeah, please. I got some mac and cheese in there that I'm heating up from last night. He said, quote, I got in a lot of fights out on the field in training camp but i never got um then he said well i take that back i got in one in our lunchroom with dexter carter remember him running back i remember him no um it uh but it was a quick one or was he a corner i can't remember and nobody got hurt i just threw a microwave at him. That's all I did. Yeah. No big deal.

He said they were both with the 49ers. They were at the facility. It had an old microwave that worked pretty well until you tried to put another sandwich in it. It would take about 10 minutes to heat both up at the same time. So it's a one fucking item. It's a one-man show.

Microwave, yeah. Carter put his sandwich in with Romanowski's anyway. Well, obviously you're going to have to beat him silly. I guarantee you Romanowski outweighs him by 40, at least 40 pounds, by the way. Dexter Carter wasn't a huge guy. So right away. Some short fuse shit. You put a sandwich in my microwave.

I'm going to kill you. That's think about that. Yeah. What could cause a person to go off like that? You put a sandwich in my microwave, I'm going to kill you. Think about that. Yeah. What could cause a person to go off like that? What could it be? It's such a- There's a lot of things. There's a lot of life stresses, James.

What is it, though? But I'm thinking something. You know what? Maybe it'll come up later. We don't know. It'll come to you. What could make a person rage over such a small thing very weird so romanowski i guess he told him to take it out romanowski said take your sandwich out of there

carter didn't take it out so romanowski took it out then they argued back and forth about a sandwich meanwhile they argued for long enough where both sandwiches could have cooked individually. The amount of time we spent talking about this, we could both be eating now. Instead, now we're both bleeding. Well, instead, Romanowski decided that I'll just throw this microwave at him. So throwing the microwave at him, you think that's a pretty good signal never, I guess, to put your sandwich in the microwave again when I'm around. I don't know, whatever that would be, I guess.

Or at least when I'm using it. When I'm using it, that's my microwave. Then he, by the way, Dexter Carter's 5'9". Yeah. He's 5'9". He's a running back. And this guy is a fucking 6'4", jacked up linebacker. Perfectly fair fight. Totally fair fight.

You know, these two, these two you go yeah that's what i yeah they go together in a boxing ring this would be sanctioned would put them together totally absolutely so he then grabs him by the neck and pins him up against a vending machine as well and tells him never again never again two things are going to be never again. The Holocaust and you putting a microwave, a sandwich in my microwave, because those are of equal intensity to me. Just so you know, never again.

They both have as many victims. Wow. Yeah. There's a lot of sandwich microwave victims out there. My sandwich wasn't all the way hot in the middle. I'm in a rage. sandwich microwave victims out there. My sandwich wasn't all the way hot in the middle. I'm in a rage. So your grandparents were murdered. Guess what?

I think Latimer from the program was based on him. It had to be. There's a lot of guys like him, though. That's the thing. There's a lot. This is a stereotype. Right. The dumb, fucking overly aggressive, jacked up middle linebacker or linebacker of any kind

is the stereotype of football like he lives a stereotype it's like he thinks through windows yeah it's like he thinks this is what he should act like you know what i mean that's what it is i should fucking throw microwaves at people what we do this is what we do so uh this year starts all 16 games again 92 one forced fumble oneumble recovery, has 80 tackles and a sack. So holds the line pretty well here. 1993, he gets married. Really? Yeah, irresistible to somebody.

Just catnip to Julie Legrand is her name, the woman who will later end up, I believe she's the one who ends up facing charges with him as well here. Oh, really? So they'll end up having two children together. Neither of them juniors, helpfully. Okay. That's good. They're a boy and a girl.

Looks like they had here. So 1993, they go 10-6, the 49ers. They lose in the championship game to the Cowboys. Remember that, too. Yeah, that kind of put a damper on their thing. They did kick the shit out of the Giants 44-3 in theional championship though just to remind them an absolute pummeling yeah the giants were terrible they shouldn't even have been i don't even know how they made the playoffs that year that was a disgrace they sucked so they deserve that they deserved it they fucking

deserved it so 1993 for him he plays again starts all 16 games so far he's been a starter for four years he's played every goddamn game started every game two forced fumbles a fumble recovery 104 tackles and three sacks wow that's a lot triple digit tackles is a lot he's doing a lot here so he when the season ends though he is not re-signed by san francisco they didn't really no i think it's because he threw a microwave and choked a fucking running back probably possibly a locker room cancer well do you want to give a guy because if you give a guy a big contract now now he has leverage too now he's got, do you want this guy with more of an attitude roaming around your locker room? I mean, yeah, you've got difficulty getting rid of him

with the big contract because he's got the leverage. And then you've also told the team, the rest of the team that he's more important than you. And he throws microwaves. Yeah, it's a it's tough.'s really a tough yeah but who is where will he fit in where does the microwave throwing culture fit in perfectly they go further in thin air james no no philadelphia did he go to philly they sign him because they're like this is that we're looking for a good microwave throwing kind of guy that's what we're looking because these eagles it's not the buddy r Buddy Ryan Eagles anymore because he had left. And now it's Rich Kotite who's a complete fucking duh.

Yeah, Buddy Ryan's in Arizona this time, isn't he? Or Houston. Arizona, yeah. Arizona, I think he's fired by now, though. I think he's fired by 94. That was quick. Remember the billboards with Buddy Ball is coming and all this? Ooh, we're going to go 8-8 now.

Great. Fuck out of here. Fantastic. This is a fucking grain silo looking motherfucker oh god fucking buddy ryan so philly philly had this culture of football up till this point up till the rich cotite era of like andre waters bounties taking cheap shots at kickers and shit blasting people yeah people. Yeah, it was a cheap shot artist guy. So they're like, well, this guy will try to strangle a tiny running back. A running back who's barely bigger than Jimmy Wissman.

He's going to try to strangle him. So that's not right. So Philly's like, perfect. We need him. So 7-9, he goes to a 7-9 Philly team coached by fucking Rich Kotite. Not a wonderful. How long have you-9 Philly team coached by fucking Rich Kotite. Not a wonderful. How long did he play in Philly? Not long here because he was in Denver pretty quick.

This is Randall Cunningham started 14 games. They had Bubby Brister as their backup. Is that right? Bubby Brister played with Bill on two teams. Yes. They did have Mark Bavaro, who I fucking is one of my favorite players of all time on that team. But, you know, I think still Reggie White on this on this team he didn't go i don't think he left yet right yeah he didn't go to um green bay oh was this the year he went to green bay this might

have been the year he went to green bay i don't remember herschel walker was on this philly's team do you remember herschel walker on the fucking eagles very much i'm not through this through this late though i don't know i. I'm not through this late, though. I don't know. I didn't think it was this late. Where else did he go? Atlanta? Where did he go?

I just didn't think it was this late. I just didn't think it was this late. Was it Atlanta that he went to? I don't remember. I just know that he was late for the Eagles. I know he sucked after about 1989. It didn't matter anymore. That might be when he started forgetting what play was called in the huddle a minute ago. He was mediocre.

Oh, that's right. They had Herschel Walker and they'd have the other guy that fucking was it? Waters. They'd have Byers. I'm thinking of their backfield. Oh, Byers. Yeah, they had guys like that. Keith Byers, I think, around that time.

Shit like that. So anyway, Bill here starts 15 out of the 16 games, has two interceptions, a fumble recovery, two and a half sacks, and 66 tackles. Does pretty well. 95, Philly. Ray Rhodes comes in as coach because no one's going to keep Rich Cotite for very

long. They go 10-6 this year, go to the playoffs in the divisional round. This was, I actually watched this game, I remember, as a kid. Was it the Giants? No, they played the Lions, but I remember what a high school – 58-37. Oh, wow. Yeah.

That's a great game. Yeah, you had Randall Cunningham running around. You had Barry Sanders in that game. There's like a lot of cool guys of the era in that game. Then they lose 30-11 to the Cowboys, who were in the middle of a dynasty at that point. So the tail end of a dynasty, I should say. This was their last season of winning the Super Bowl. Right.

Yeah, against Pittsburgh that year. So he starts all 16 games, Romanowski. So far in one, two, three, four, five, six years, he's missed starting one game. Wow. So yeah, not too bad. Two interceptions. He has one fumble recovery one sack 63 tackles

okay he's doing very well september 1995 and this is by the way i believe why he missed a game uh the one year he uh is fined 4500 for kicking larry centers in the head five times i mean one you can understand yeah well larry centers punched him in the head larry centers by the way is a arizona cardinal fullback fullback who caught a lot of passes oh yeah he had i think he set the record at the time for most yeah running back receptions or something yeah he was would catch a hundred balls a year out of the back unbelievable yeah a really underrated player larry centers for terrible arizona teams why who who knew wasted his talent in the desert they had bad quarterbacks with terrible arms that couldn't go downfield and terrible offensive lines so he would come out

and he'd dump it off to him and then he could fucking run and get something that's he was he probably saved a lot of quarterbacks a lot of concussions over the years just having an outlet to dump it to. So Romanowski said, quote, he took a swing on me and I retaliated. It should have never happened. I have to learn to control my emotions better. Damn it. If there was only something he could stop doing that would help him. A man swung on me and I stomped his head five times. On a football field.

He said he grabbed my face mask, then punched me in the face. I went after him and stepped on him. I've never been thrown out before, and it was my fault. I have no one to blame but myself. Five times. Five times. You can't stomp people in football. No. You have spikes on.

Someone punching you in your guarded, helmeted head is not the same as getting stomped with cleats it's just not it's not it's not equivalent it's dumb and plus the guy who hit you is also much smaller than you also that's the other problem so look like a coward 1996 february 23rd bill romanowski spent uh signs with the denver broncos wow it was 96 it was 96 he came in. Yeah, that late. So when did he come in? Right when they were about to start winning Super Bowls.

He's a very lucky guy. That's what I mean. Stick around two years, and you're about to have a nice day. Good run here. A couple of nice ring years. So 96, they're 13-3 in 96, the Broncos. And this was the year they lost. I remember this was a big disappointment for them to the

expansion jaguars in their second year of existence yeah in the playoffs there that was a shame uh john elway's quarterback you got your steve at waters and your guys like that this is a goddamn good team yeah daryl davis came in here it's and romanowski oh wow michael dean perry forgot that he went from the browns over there oh forgot all about him so uh this year starts all 16 games yeah not bad at all three interceptions three fumble recoveries ball hawking three sacks and 77 tackles he came to life yeah came right to life here um so good good year for him 1997 Broncoscos. 12-4, there you go. Not bad. Badass.

They beat the Jacksonville Jaguars 42-17 in the wild card round, beat the Kansas City Chiefs. I bet you'd like to hear that again in the playoffs. All day. 14-10, then beat the Steelers. I remember this was a good game. 24-21. And then beat the Packers, who are the returning Super Bowl champions,

31-24 that year too. So this was their big Super Bowl year. That was the last of Brett Favre ever winning a Super Bowl ever again. It was over for him. That was it, yeah. No more after that. So very good team, obviously. And obviously he's going to have problems here.

I guess during the preseason that year, talk a little bit about that, he knocked Kerry Collins out of a game. Remember Kerry Collins? Yeah, he was playing for the Raiders. Carolina. Carolina. That's where he was drafted by. He knocked him out of Carolina's game?

Knocked him out of Carolina's game here. Collins had just thrown a pass when Romanowski fucking blasted him from the blind side here. Romanowski's helmet hit Collins under the chin and, quote, appeared to rattle him. In other words, in today's parlance, concussed him and made him to where he should have left the game. Collins went to the locker room for treatment for a mouth injury,

although the injury did not appear to be serious. So, yeah, he did that. Mouth injury. Mouth injury. Not thinking about the brain at all. Yep. a room for treatment for a mouth injury although the injury did not appear to be serious so yeah he did that so mouth injury mouth injury which about the brain at all yep kerry collins jaw is actually broken in two places and he's out for six weeks because romanowski put his helmet in it so wow yeah that's why you're not allowed to do that there yeah and um yeah he's a pro bowl quarterback they you know went to the championship game the previous season. So, yeah, he was standing in the pocket, just standing there, and he blasted him. So it was not a good deal.

So Collins underwent four hours of surgery where he had to have two plates inserted to stabilize the fracture on the left side of his jaw and two more to stabilize a break at the front of the jaw. The man got four plates in his face. He got four plates in his face, yeah. Wow. So he is expected to be sidelined for five to six weeks, and then he's going to have a fucking jaw with plates in it. So Romanowski's fine $20,000 for the hit. It was a late hit and a cheap hit.

So it was cheap in every regard. He said, this is his playing philosophy when they talked about this he said quote it's about trying to make big hits like when you hit someone so hard he doesn't get up those are the kind of hits you like yeah when they're legal yeah that's the thing when the guy when a running back comes through the hole and you got one-on-one on him you put it in his chest and you put your shoulder in his chest and blast him. Great hit. When a quarterback throws the ball, he doesn't have his guard up because you're not supposed to hit him.

That's the point. He doesn't have the ball. Yeah, you're not supposed to hit him at that point. So he's not bracing, not guarding. You just took a cheap shot on a prone person. That's all it is. Good job. Fair player. Nice cheap shot on a prone person. That's all it is. Good job. Fair player.

Nice job, Bill. Great guy. So Elway called the fine ridiculous. John. John. And they filed an appeal. Romanowski filed an appeal, which he lost. He said he's considering another appeal and has the backing of Coach Shanahan.

How about pay your fine? You hit a guy in the fucking jaw, you moron. Coach, don't do this. He said that when the fine was announced, it will not affect the way he plays. That's it. And he said then he issued what sounded like a threat to Kerry Collins regarding an upcoming game they have with the Panthers. Quote, maybe I'll hit him harder next time. You never know.

So he's trying to make, you know, Kerry Collins shaking his boots there. Kerry Collins looked like he was too dumb to be scared of anything. Every look at his face, he looked like he was just going, duh. Like, always. Just a dial tone of duh.

Duh. The Panthers were really pissed off about it. Wesley Walls, the wide receiver who caught the pass after he was hit there, he called it a cheap hit. And the center, Frank Garcia, on the Panthers, hinted at revenge, saying, well, we play those guys again, so maybe we'll be able to do something about it. So, yeah, because you can get shot blocked real easy.

You can get lots of shit like that where if offensive linemen have it in for you, they can conspire against you. Fuck yeah. And if there's something tackled behind you and you're not looking and somebody just shoves you. Oh, you can end somebody's career. It's happened a lot. Fuck yeah. Blow somebody's knee up. It's over.

It's just a penalty. We'll take 15. Fuck it. Fuck yeah. Bye. Bye, dickhead. He won't be back that's right different so romanowski said he pretended to forget about it he said what's his number number 12 he's just a guy with a football uniform and a number 12 on it he's a good football player but i've got to be worried about taking care of my responsibilities and nothing else what happened

in the pre-seasons over and done with and kerry collins said to be honest i never really had a problem with his intent he didn't come in there to hurt me or break my jaw i know that well he enjoyed it i'm sure the thing to remember is is it was a perfect hit i was turning into him at the perfect time and he caught me with his head in the perfect way yeah it would still be he'd have been suspended for that hit now yeah oh the fine would be bigger than 20 grand and he would be suspended yeah a helmet on jaw hit a quarterback you're out so roman out he was blitzing from the left and collins never saw him coming and that was a full speed helmet first fucking jaw shot so they collins said we all we all have to play by the rules and when it happens like that it's punishable by a fine he said but it's over with as far as i'm concerned there's nothing

personal i don't hold it against him and roman four plates romanowski said i've put some good hits on people but that one kind of that one kind of hit the limelight because of him being a quarterback and hurting him the way he did it got got a lot of attention, but you guys in the media controlled that. He's a starting quarterback that's out now for six weeks, so they have to talk about that. Fantasy football, Bill. I fucking love when people do dumb shit and it gets publicized and they go, people in the media, yeah, there is a lot of the media that sucks. Trust us, we make fun of the media fucking as

much as we make fun of athletes or coaches or the the owners or anybody we they're all in it together that's the thing yeah this is all one big finger fucking under the table everybody they all need each other the media needs these guys and these guys without the media they're not much of a fucking business either so everybody finger fucks each other but when people do dumb shit and then go well the media don't blame people for telling others about the dumb shit you did and that goes for every walk of life not just sports i hear it all the time from people the media the media if you say the words the media automatically it's like oh well it's not as believable now well guess what guess what? Stop doing that.

I roll my eyes so hard when people say those two words together. I fucking hate it. They write the story. Yeah. But they didn't make it up, you dummy. Yeah, when you have 15 tackles in a game, they write fucking five paragraphs on that, and you go, look at that. Yeah, I'm great, aren't I?

I'm in print. But they don't know what they're talking about when it's bad media said it yeah oh well it can't be right then it's just the media trying to sell papers seven tack yeah it's mutually beneficial you did dumb shit when they talk about it people buy it and that's how it works but people are gonna question with the with the rise of football, why the fuck my starting quarterback of Kerry Collins scored me zero fucking points. Yeah. Why do I have to go to my backup now? Right.

What is up with that? Why does Bubby Brister, why does Neil O'Donnell have to be my starting quarterback? And why are the fucking Panthers going to their reserve quarterback? Yes. Why is Steve Berline in there right now? Why are my wide receivers that also play for Carolina score me zero fucking points?

Why is Ray Carruth not producing for me? Because Berline can't hit him. That's how it goes. God damn it, Roman. But it's the media. I'm the big worst i hate clickbait and shit like that and that's that's fine and you know people trying to do stuff but when something happens that actually it's some things are just like wow that's a big story and

it benefits the media to get people to click on it but also they're also right it's it also happens so it's you know that also i mean they sold a lot of papers when the titanic went down the media didn't sink it you know what i mean just happened to be they put four plates in carrie collins face they did that son of a bitches son of the fucking ap how dare they they're fucking green sports section oh man yeah it's your bullshit color we We don't need Color USA today. It's a newspaper. December 17, 1997. Here.

This is a fun incident. This is when Bill Romanowski spits at J.J. Stokes on the field. Spits in his face. Wide receiver for the 49ers. Oh, he's playing for the Niners, then, huh? Yeah, that's who he got drafted by. Oh. So, spits in his face, which is the third rail in sports.

You can't do that. You'll see guys jaw at each other, punch each other. All that's acceptable. Spitting in someone's face is not, it's a pussy move. I think post eight years old, spitting on somebody is the most. I'll fucking stab you. It gets you punched and everyone goes, oh, man, he should beat the shit out of him for that. Everyone's on the spitty side.

They're like, oh, that guy got spit on. He's going to fuck him up now. So no one's on a spitter side because it's a pussy move. It's just a pussy move, especially between two grown men jawing. If you're close enough to spit on him, you're close enough to punch him. Why don't you throw some hands, you fucking coward? Stokes said he became angry when

Romanowski grabbed him in the groin during a pileup. This is what Romanowski would do too. He's a piece of shit that whenever there's a pileup, he'd grab people's nutsacks and dicks. He'd choke people and shit like that. He'd fucking physically strangle them. And he'd spit in faces in piles, too. That's what I mean.

He's a piece of garbage. He thinks he's being fucking Dick Butkus, because Butkus was famous for he'd spit on the center's hand when he's got the ball, trying to get him to fucking false start. That's pretty funny. But Butkus also didn't need to do that. Romanowski, I feel like, needs this sort of thing. Butkus, he was terrifying anyway. He was one of the best players in the fucking league. Romanowski is not that level of good.

He's just not. And he's a linebacker, so he's not even close to that part of the action. You know what I mean? Well, yeah. That's what Butkus was, too. But Butkus was a middle linebacker, and he would get over. Oh and he would get over this oh we'd stand over the center he'd spit on his fucking yeah he'd spit on his hands to piss him off to try to make him move it off yeah so he'd false start yeah so otherwise you got to sit there with your spit on you so bill said i spit in his

face just out of frustration that's the way it goes out there. I can't control myself at all, is what that says. I'm not good at controlling myself. That's the way it goes out there? That's the way it goes out there, yeah. He's fined $7,500 for that, by the way. Yeah. And, yeah.

Also, let's see. Oh, there's a comparison because the Chargers' strong safety Rodney Harrison hit Andre Rison and was fined $10,000 on the same day. Harrison said it's ridiculous. He said, quote, it's ridiculous. See how he thinks it's ridiculous? He said it's ridiculous. He said, quote, it's ridiculous. If you can be fined $10,000 for hitting somebody, then you let a guy get away with spitting in someone's face. That's absolutely

degrading i mean that's the lowest possible thing you could probably do to a person and you only find him 7500 that's not right in my opinion he's like at least i did a football play he's got a point i agree with him i fucking agree with him there's no place for spitting on the field a cheap hit happens a late hit happens that's at least part of the game spitting is not part of the game it's just a fucking little four plates in somebody's fucking face doesn't just happen that too um now shanahan says his team is remains united doesn't matter here because romanowski there was a they made a thing about it because um Sharp at the time and Willie Green both argued that Romanowski wasn't punished harshly enough here. So they're on his team. Shannon Sharp said that.

Yeah. He said he wasn't sure because they took it as a racial thing because he spit in Stokes' face. Oh, a bit in a black guy's face. Yeah, and later on he'll – we'll talk about it, but he'll say some shit to Cam Newton that's not really cool on social media that's so he uses a word that you don't say to a grown black man oh the b word we'll put it that it's not a word it's not a bad word but it's just dumb i didn't want to give it away that's all okay i wasn't thank you though never mind it's not a word you can't say. It's just a word you don't call somebody on a fucking, you know, unless you want to get punched in the mouth. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. So Shanahan said he respects Shannon Sharp and Green for expressing their views. He said, quote, I think they spoke their mind and they spoke the truth. They made it known Bill Romanowski is not a racist. They did say that. They didn't call him a racist. In fact, they were very, very supportive of Bill, even though they were not very happy with what was done. They thought he should have been punished more harshly, though.

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They cut through everybody beating the Packers there. Who were in it for the second time. Second time in a row. Yeah, everybody thought that. January 1998, that year here, in the playoffs this year, the Broncos won 24-21 against the Steelers. He was yelling at Cordell Stewart as well. That was a thing here.

Yeah. Cordell Stewart ended up having 303 passing yards and three touchdowns earlier in the year. But in the playoff game, they were talking shit about it. And I guess he didn't have a good game too, Cordell, which in a championship game, things are a lot tighter. Yeah. And Bill Romanowski, I guess, quote, quote, began banging his helmet and yelling at Stewart an open ridicule of Stewart's worst mistake of a long afternoon. Romanowski ran into the face of Cordell Stewart, comically bashing himself in the head after Stewart threw his third interception. Calling him stupid? Yes.

Romanowski said, quote, I was just telling him he wasn't very smart. I was just trying to get him riled. I was trying to get in his head. Yeah. Calling him stupid by hitting myself in the head with a helmet. Boy, you're dumb, huh? You're dumb. Look, I'm going to concuss myself.

Look how stupid you are. Whenever he throws a pick, you're in his face saying, you're just awful, you're terrible, you're out here throwing the ball. Try to rattle his cage a little bit. Yeah, he said, we wanted to make them beat us with him throwing the ball. We knew he couldn't have the game he had last time. This time, the real him came out. We flustered him, and he threw balls up for grabs.

Either that, or we've seen all their gadget plays, and now they actually have to play actual football because at that point slashwood had been exposed it was very easy to beat him now that's the thing yeah he was a plus championship games everything's different yeah you know the niners were blowing everybody out that year that and then the giants 15 13 they lost i mean it's just they they get tighter at that point sure May 25, 1998, there's a Sports Illustrated article about him. It says, quote, taking his medicine, Broncos loopy linebacker Bill Romanowski pops a plethora of pills and powders to keep his minerals in balance. Too bad they don't do the same for his temper.

That's the article. What a story. Yeah. Here's quotes from Romanowski. Zinc is our most anabolic Zinc is our most anabolic mineral. Don't say the word anabolic. You fucking idiot. He said

he takes 25 milligrams of it along with 400 milligrams of magnesium each night. And he says if your zinc levels are low, you'll have low levels of testosterone. He's trying to explain that all of the steroid results he gets are from taking zinc at night. Zinc. Zinc is what he's telling. He's telling the country, I'm not on steroids.

I just do zinc. And then it makes it has results like steroids. That's literally what he said. You'll have low levels of testosterone. You want jack your testosterone take a bunch of zinc you gotta have a lot of it so you snort the zinc yeah you gotta have a ton of zinc enough to where you like smash shit into your head while you're saying something because the other guy's dumb that level of zinc he said that he gave si sports illustrated a scoop of it. And he said 70% of pro athletes are deficient in zinc. And then he said, you know, obviously with testosterone too there.

It's low zinc. He said, I get my blood and urine tested every three months. I want to make sure my minerals are in balance. My minerals. Wow. That is wild. One of the guards on the team, David Diaz Infante, I remember that guy, he said, Romo got so geeked up on game days, you can't even talk to him.

Zinc. Yeah. Everybody out there, go take a bunch of zinc and see if you're so crazy that no one can talk to you and your testosterone's going through the roof. Just please, everyone. Just take a centrum, it's got zinc in it you're gonna fucking be going crazy hitting people under the chin spitting in black guys faces fucking no one

will be able to talk to you and your family because you're too geeked up take a zinc baby take two i think he's taking two worth right take two centrums put jam one up your ass snort one and then take one you know what three centrums three centrums you gotta snort one for the extra effect then you take this you swallow one then the ass one's gonna be it's gonna seep into your system over time it's a time release it's a time releaser just at game time you're're going to pop. You're going to pop. Centrum R. Centrum rectum, it's called. Centrum R.

Centrum CR, where the R stands for rectum. The R stands for rectum. Wow. Controlled rectum. The article goes on to say, quote, he ingests more powders and pills than Jerry Garcia in his prime. That's a great line. That's not a positive advert. Oh, no, I don't think this is supposed to be. And he employs not only a high performance coach, but also a nutritionist, a biomechanics guru and a massage therapist.

Wow. Romanowski is known to spend upwards of $100,000 a year on vitamins, minerals, nutritional supplements, and special training. So Romanowski's known to waste $100,000 a year on horse shit. Yeah. Are the roids included

in that? I doubt it. That's what I'm wondering. That's a GNC fucking, they saw him coming. I'll take it all. Yeah. The training, fine. A special coach for a performance coach. A lot of guys do that for specialized training.

Yeah, specialized just for explosiveness or certain exercises. A lot of people do that. Speed and agility training. Fuck yeah. That's investing in yourself. This is crazy on vitamins and shit. Well, they say LeBron James spends over a million dollars a year on health shit and food and stuff like that.

He probably does just for the ride off. Cause it's, that's a, he has to, he makes so much fucking money. He needs to spend that much money. It's gotta go away. He probably has a chef that he pays half a million dollars a year just

cause he needs to pay somebody something. He also experiments with treatments such as hyperbaric chambers and deep tissue massage. He's doing all that crazy shit. Yeah. He's doing. Well, I think this is I think this is like, don't look over here. Look over.

I'm just taking all these. If you add up all these supplements and all these vitamins, they equal the same effect as if I injected myself with fucking whatever he's doing. And the same byproduct of it in my urine is the same thing that happens when you piss steroids. That's all. You know how it works. He said about the spitting, and here's the article, to set the stage for spit gate, Denver had just suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Pittsburgh Steelers, and Romanowski had made only two tackles in the game.

Upon the next Monday night football, oh, up on the next Monday night football, I don't know why it was like that, were the 49ers who had traded away romo four years earlier he said i couldn't wait to play him says romanowski an olympic class grudge bearer who nine years after having been selected by the niners in the third round of the draft was still going out of his way uh a fist in the larynx here a knee in the lumber lumbar region there to punish teams that had chosen a linebacker ahead of him. Wow. Okay.

So, yeah, he was a little excited about that Monday nighter, which would turn out to be another Broncos loss. Niners quarterback Steve Young got the message in the third quarter when Romo hit him after the whistle and was flagged for unnecessary roughness. Then, three plays later, there was poor Stokes, woofing at Romanowski after the two emerged from a pileup, whereupon Stokes got flush in the face.

The next days were dark times for the Romanowskis. A Denver newspaper columnist wondered what kind of example Bill was setting for his children. Dalton, who was then three, and Alexandra, eight months. Well, the baby doesn't know what the hell you just did. I don't think Alexandra gives a shit. And the kid doesn't know what the hell you just did i don't think i never will know and the kid doesn't know either three is not old enough to know he said

bill said i just felt bad for my mom and dad my wife my brothers and sister my brothers and sisters to cause them all this embarrassment i felt bad for bill says julie romo's wife of five years when you love somebody you want to protect him to see him hurting and not be able to fix it was difficult for me. Roman Elsk... Yeah. That's when you want to suck back in your mouth. But I hate when they call things gait now. They've got... It's on TV, man.

We saw it happen. There's no conspiracy. You spit in somebody's fucking face. It's just when something's a big deal, it's gait. Right. Stop it. Fucking blame Richard Nixon for that shit. Spit gait. it's just when something's a big deal it's gay right it's it's stop it fucking blame richard nixon for that shit spit game if you need more reasons to hate richard nixon you can blame him for that fucking conspiracy man yeah fucking happened it happened so he'd uh romanowski downplayed the incident for about 24 hours while watergate 2 happened so it's that's yeah but there

was a conspiracy yeah they put it on anything, though, because anything, whether it happened or not, if it's a story, it's a gate. If there's a side to have on either. It's just a big deal. It's a gate. But why is there a side to have on somebody spitting in somebody's fucking face? Because this is America, Jimmy. That's why.

What do you think? People just look at things logically and go, well, this is obviously the right thing to do. No, absolutely not. You have people who are contrary cunts who go, well, he spit in his face. Yeah, but so what? mean. That's what Twitter, this is where it came from. That's why you have it. People just, well, I'll just take that side no matter how stupid it is. Click, there you go. Look at me. That's fucking America, everybody. I hit the button.

I hit the button. I'm an independent thinker because I said the dumb thing. Shut the fuck up. Stupid fucking idiots. I swear to God. I put it on there i did it i do look at me i'm important i did it i'm so fucking tired of people and their fucking dumbness exhausting i'm so tired of it i'm so sick of just going what what side of an obvious fucking issue are you on oh good great oh you found a way to okay great i i can't

anymore it's an identity it's fucking why it's fucking wild man yeah and it's happening embarrassing it's getting worse and worse too that's the problem i can't take it anymore fascinating that it's not embarrassing to the people that it should be embarrassing because you used to now you can put it on social media and you can find a bunch of like-minded dipshits who all want to be morons together and they pump up each other's stuff it used to be you'd have to in 1997 you had to go to work

and stand next to a bunch of other guys and say that and have them go what are you fucking stupid what's wrong with you because that's what they'd say what are you fucking stupid because no one else there was stupid you have now you have to reach all across the world to find 25 people as dumb as you to fucking agree with you it's fucking insane i know i got 11 guys in canada i think i'm right see i got that and then that guy got mad so i win what are you talking about 11 guys i don't know. 11 guys I don't know. And then another guy I don't know got mad.

So I win. What is happening? Oh, Christ. Everyone who thinks that's good, hit yourself in the head with a football helmet as many times as you can. Please. Go into your kitchen, grab the biggest, heaviest fucking pan, and bash away until your head is soft. I assure you you can't get any dumber i fucking assure you right now it won't it won't hurt anybody else i promise and if you're going

well i that's you were talking to if you did a well i'm talking to you so's jimmy grab a fuck the big one the cast iron shit your grandfather gave you and told you not to wash ever. Crack your fucking skull. I thought he told you just put oil on it. Yeah, just put oil on it and let it burn up. Crack your fucking skull until it feels like a hard-boiled egg that's been dropped. That's what I would like. Oh, are those broken skull pieces?

What do you think, maybe I should stop now? Two more whacks, motherfucker. Two more. When you stop being able to count to two, that's when you're done. That's when you're finished. When you go, is that one or two? Finished. Perfect.

When you heard crunches five whacks ago, that's when you stop. Now go get on Twitter and say something stupid after you're done doing that. I'm going to try to find Twitter. Yeah. What is the one now? I changed the letter now. on twitter and say something stupid after you're done doing that you'll find people agree with you yeah what is the one now i changed the letter now i don't know what it is so yeah that's what that's what we do anyway either way we got way off the subject sorry about that but you know what i'm not sorry because fuck this shit yeah tired of stupid people so he downplayed the incident for the first 24 hours telling reporters it was just something that happens quote in the heat of battle soon enough he realized the response wasn't going to

cut it and wednesday morning he issued an apology on the day romanowski issued his apology broncos players and coaches met for 45 minutes to discuss the spitting incident see they discussed it because people were pissed off at him for doing that and they all had to figure out how can we all come out with one statement, basically. Oh, Shannon Sharpe's mad, but he doesn't think he's a racist. That's the deal. Okay, great. You know what I mean? 45 minutes to come to an agreement on what we have to say about this?

Of what we're all going to publicly say about this, basically. Because they're a good team and they're not going to have one guy saying, fuck Romanowski, he's a racist. Another guy going, I kind of think it was a good thing that he did. So, you know, they're not going to have that. We're about to be champions. And then at the end of the season, now they're defending champions. Yeah. So it's like, yeah.

And I don't know if Romanowski's a fucking racist or not. What the fuck do I know? I don't know the fucking thing. No idea. I'm not saying he is or he isn't. I'm just saying that's when you spit in a black guy's face, it doesn look great for you you know what i mean so it doesn't look wonderful i mean you didn't you've never spit in a white guy's face it's just one of those so i could see where even if you're not racist at all i could see where people might go hey that seems like you took a little different

tact there so you know you gotta understand that in a pile he's probably spit on a lot of white guys yeah that's right you don't know right you never stood understand that. In a pile, he's probably spit on a lot of white guys. Yeah, that's right. You don't know. Right. You never stood up squared off and spit in a white guy's fucking grill. Hey, you know how you avoid being questioned on that? Don't spit in people's fucking faces. That's what you can do. Give you a spit in your mouth.

Yeah. There's something for you. John Elway effectively put the manor to rest when he stood and said, this guy's done everything but get down on his knees. Let's put this behind us and go out and play some great football. John. The Broncos did, having played themselves out of a first-round bye with the losses to the Steelers and Niners. They proceeded to run the table in the playoffs

and finished their streak with a Super Bowl defeat of the Packers. Romo, oh man, singed by a fallout from the Stokes incident, and this is Romanowski, not Tony Romo, kept his mouth shut and played football. The defensive coordinator said, he's like the crafty catcher who's asking about your girlfriend as soon as you step into the batter's box. Who said that?

The defensive coordinator, Greg Robinson. How dare you? Yeah, he's like the crafty catcher. Yeah. Oh, you can't. That's gamesmanship. That's gamesmanship. This is not.

Spitting isn't gamesmanship. You know, equate it to fucking the porky kid from Sandlot asking about what color your girlfriend's underwear are. That's not. Yeah, or Jake Taylor going, hey, what's up with you? I was at this club last night it was great saw your wife there she's a hell of a dancer boy one thing i can't understand is why is that guy's panties on her head and she pops it up that's a catcher yeah that's good that's good or whatever the fuck bull durham kevin cosner was saying to people but saying everything

at the super bowl um romo made a point of looking up fellow boston college alumnus mark chumara now the packers pro bowl tight end and telling him quote you're the biggest idiot that ever came out of boston college i'm insulted that we could have gone to the same school so chumara's reaction he said romanowski i'm gonna you. Romo recalls with a grin, that's when I knew I'd gotten in his head. Uh-huh. Yeah. Julie says when a visitor compliments Dalton's vocabulary, quote, thank God he's got my brains. That's what his wife said.

Thank God the kid's got my brains because my husband's a fucking dummy. When they compliment a toddler's vocabulary. Yeah, he's smarter than Bill, so. He's already got a better handle on this language than his pop. Wow. Sports Illustrated goes on to say, she's kidding, we think, as was the former Boston College player who says, quote, if Chimura's the dumbest guy to come through BC, it's because he beat Romo in a photo finish. That's not kidding. They're saying both of them are idiots.

Yeah, they're both dum-dums. I went to college with them. They're both stupid. There you go. San Francisco Chronicle columnist Tim Keown wrote, or Cowan, whatever it is, wrote that without football, Romanowski would be, quote,

sitting on the steps of a trailer somewhere, whittling away and trying to figure out how his overalls got stuck in that tree. He'd be saving up for some naked lady mud flaps. Oh my God, that is great. He'd be saving up for some naked lady mud flaps.

Amazing. Whittling. Whittling. He amuses teammates with his stories of life on the farm. One of his favorites, despite the fairly complex network of chutes and retractable gates through which the cows had to pass before milking there was one cow number 48 that was always first said romo listening to him tell the story you realize that number 53 relates to 48 like the cow i mean meaning him he's number 53 not the two numbers

relate to each other like the cow he's determined to be first, regardless of whom he offends. When Jerry Rice came his way on a reverse during training camp in 89, Romo, then in his second season with the 49ers, fought off a block, and he recalls with a grin, knocked the crap out of the future Hall of Fame wideout. That's what you want to do when your season depends on him being terrific. You want to try to hurt him. For this blatant breach of an unwritten rule no one hits number 80 in practice don't fucking hurt jerry rice idiot it's our best player yeah romanowski immediately found himself

in a fist fight with the offensive line yeah the whole line is gonna fuck you up we have rings because of that guy we will kick your ass you, you loser. When I take the practice field, I give it everything I have, he says. Well, you're on a team. He's not on the other team. He's, I don't know, a thousand times more important than you. How's that? If you win the Super Bowl, they don't go, Bill Romanowski won the Super Bowl. They say the 49ers won the Super Bowl, they don't go, Bill Romanowski won the Super Bowl. No. They say the 49ers won the Super Bowl.

With Jerry Rice being the MVP of said game. Right. Half the time, as he was the year before. Because here's the thing, Bill. That year, as a matter of fact, he was the MVP of the Super Bowl. Yeah, yeah. And when you win the Super Bowl, you win based on numbers of, and those numbers are on the board because of points. And linebackers rarely put them

up also the fact that as on that team he was about as important he could have switched places with the guy who holds the first down marker and no one would have fucking noticed because he didn't play that much and he didn't matter literally it didn't matter whereas jerry rice was literally the fucking centerpiece of the entire team so So you're an asshole, Romanowski. Anyway, 98, Broncos, they go 14-2. Crush it that year. Best they ever were. They beat the living shit out of the Broncos, which are the Dolphins, who were the Jimmy Johnson coached Dolphins at the time.

Yes, 38-3 in the divisional round. Then beat the Jets. The Jets were in a conference championship then. Wow. The Jets, 97. Think about it, or 98. Who the hell? Testaverde?

Was that right after they got Testaverde, maybe? It had to be, right? It had to be. Who the fuck else would have been? They didn't have Chad Pennington yet, and he was terrible anyway. It had to be Testaverde. They had Neil O'Donnell for a while. I don't think that could have been.

I don't know. They beat the state, winning the Super Bowl against Atlanta. That was a really annoying Atlanta team too with their dancing and all that shit. Yeah, they're fucking dirty. I like, which is stupid because I love the icky shuffle,

but then I'm like, this dance is terrible. It's just not. It felt so marketed, whereas Icky Woods just seems like a weird guy who was like, watch me do this dance. They did a weird dance,

whereas Jamal Anderson felt like he sat at home with three choreographers and was like, what can I do right after a touchdown? I need a signature move. You know what I mean? He's like, oh, left, left, right, right. OK, yeah, we'll do that. So I just didn't like it. And I play for the Falcons, so we got to do something with the chicken kind of thing.

Yeah, exactly. The dirty bird. Just wiggle my arms. It felt very like a marketing ploy to me it felt like very what they would do now it felt very gross did it it was gross yeah i didn't like that very much and i'm just not a falcons fan so it was nice to watch the broncos thump them my high school coach's kid played for the team so it was fun to watch uh oh good his son get the shit kicked take that yeah so 1998 uh that year he played in all 16 games at 72 tackles five and a half or seven and a half sacks though career high definitely a career high in the season or in the whole season the whole season yeah no

1999 the broncos go six and ten because john Elway retired. Yeah, because he quit. Yeah, that's that. Bobby Brewster. Yep, that's how that goes. September 4 and then Greasy after that. I think Bobby lasted just one season. I don't even think he lasted a whole season. I think Greasy went in half of the season. That's possible.

That is possible. I don't remember the exacts of that because that was a really greasy time for them. For real.ember 4th 1999 this is from the new york times um quote romanowski named in drug fraud case okay uh romanowski a linebacker in his 12th professional season and fourth as a bronco was among four accused on thursday with the douglas colorado county sheriff's office and the united states drug enforcement administration of illegally obtaining the appetite suppressant Fetter mean, which is, I think, Fen Fen, I believe, is what that was, which they took it off the market because it was would make your heart explode. I think it also actually did appetite suppress to where people were like really getting sick.

appetite suppressed to where people were like really getting sick yeah no but they caused like all sort because there's a big class action lawsuit against fen fen that you could have they paid out billions because it was did horrible things to people's organs i think if i'm not mistaken could be wrong but i'm pretty sure so also accused his wife julie 32 dr randall l snook 39 loretta k. Johnson, 35. The Romanowskis, through their lawyers, denied the allegations. Romanowski said, quote, the only thing I can say is that I apologize to my teammates, my family, and to the fans. Okay. Authorities said that Romanowski's wife, Johnson, obtained the fraudulent prescriptions from Snook, then gave the drug to Romanowski.

then gave the drug to Romanowski. This drug here, which is not banned by the NFL, is frequently prescribed for severe obesity, but it's also a stimulant that can cause aggressiveness. You know, like getting coked up out there, but not having the balls to do coke like a fucking man. Yeah. You had your wife get you pills. What kind of a pussy are you?

I'm sorry. At least Lawrence Taylor would go out on the goddamn street and get some crack rocks like a fucking man. This guy goes, hey, can you get me more of them pills that make me go-go? Can you get me more go-go pills so I can spit at people and be dumb?

Get me more anger pills. I like those. Can you get me more mad pills, please? I like those. They make me mad. They make me feel good. Any some more gree-gree pills? Get nice and angry? So he does that. The authorities said their two-month investigation revealed that the alleged drug scheme occurred from last September through last month and that eight fraudulent prescriptions involving the Romanowskis, Snook, and Johnson were filed.

eight fraudulent prescriptions involving the Romanowski's, Snook and Johnson were filed. The spokesperson for the DEA said that the agency can look at order patterns. If something were out of normal bounds, that would raise a flag. There are all kinds of records. The NFL's drug policy states that prescription drugs cannot be abused and adds the use of amphetamines and substances that invoke similar effects absent a valid and legitimate need of the appropriate substance, is prohibited. In other words, you can't use this shit, is what that says. No one has been arrested, but the sheriff's office is recommending to the district attorney's office

in neighboring Arapahoe County that felony criminal charges be filed against all four. Coach Mike Shanahan said, I'm disappointed this came out without going through the DA first. criminal charges or that felony criminal charges be filed against all four um coach mike shanahan said i'm disappointed this came out without going through the da first i think once everybody takes a look at exactly what happened from my perspective that there won't be any charges if everyone just looks at it like the guy who coaches the team that needs him on it i think everything will be fine if we all just look at we'd like the Broncos to have a good season, I think we can all put this past us, right? Come on. If we all skip the law and we just start looking at it the way that Mike Shanahan wants things, then.

You know, common sense. Mike, don't say shit like that. I won two Super Bowls. I run Denver, is what he just said. Colorado should bow before me. How many Super Bowls did you fucking lose before I got here? Exactly. Nobody will ever forget me oh the possible criminal charges could include fraud conspiracy and unlawful use of a controlled substance against romanowski if convicted romanowski would face a maximum penalty of three years in prison and a three hundred thousand dollar fine

they said the fentermine is one half of the fen fen weight loss drug cocktail there you go yeah the other half was banned but the fentermine one is the one still available by prescription at that point i don't know if it still is i doubt it i don't know though so 1999 that year 16 games 16 started three interceptions zero sacks this year. From 7.5 to 0, 73 tackles. He is fined, by the way, in 1999 during that season. What was that hit? $7,500 for an illegal hit on Tony Gonzalez, the longtime guy who retired like two years ago, even though he started playing in 1995.

Started playing in 1995 for that. Also, $10,000 for hit on Tampa Bay quarterback Trent Dilfer, helmet to helmet. Yeah. And $10,000 for punching Gonzalez in the head. And $15,000 for a helmet to helmet shot at Fred Taylor, Jacksonville Jaguars running back. Was that when Tony G was in Atlanta? He punched him? This was when he was in Kansas City. He was in Kansas City at the him? This was when he was in Kansas City.

He was in Kansas City at the time? For the first, yeah, forever he was in Kansas City. Wasn't he in Atlanta first? No, Kansas City for 15 years and then Atlanta for like three years. Oh, at the end. At the very end, yeah. He was done. He was also fined an undisclosed amount that season for throwing a football at the crotch of Jets linebacker Brian Cox. Class. Oh, oh you don't

fuck with brian cox is a that's that that is a bad man that's what i mean that's a guy who number one they're not on the field at the same time that's why he did that because brian cox will hunt you for that shit he's a mean man yeah he had that board up his back so that his head didn't go back yeah i will hit you hard that's what that was he wore a stretcher out there you better watch out your neck will snap first trust me good for you i brought you a stretcher yeah here you go it's actually complimentary i bring this with me everywhere. It's a complimentary stretcher. Yeah, he's a badass. 2,000 Broncos.

They go 11-5 that year, but don't really do much there. So August 9, 2000, Romanowski indicted in prescription drug case. Says, yes, he's been indicted on four felonies for using this drug. The charges were announced today during an impromptu news conference at the team's training camp. Romanowski declined comment, but his attorney, Harvey Steinberg, said that he will fight the charges. These charges concern a

medication that is routinely prescribed to people who are severely obese. Not to six-foot-fucking-four 240-pound linebackers who are in the best shape of the top 0.02% in shape of people on Earth. He eats the same amount as those people, but he is doing crazy things to burn it off. Yeah, a shitload of that.

And it was prescribed for Bill after an appropriate examination. But the accusations are it was prescribed to his wife, not to him. So this is actually a benefit to us, he goes on to say. There's been a cloud of suspicion over Bill, and this will give him a chance to put it to rest. That's one way to spin it. This is good for us to get indicted on four counts. It's really good. This is what we were hoping for.

There's no immediate comments from the Broncos officials. They're going to wait to see how this goes. for. There's no immediate comments from the Broncos officials. They're going to wait to see how this goes. Romanowski was charged with one count of unlawful possession of a controlled substance, obtaining a controlled substance by fraud and deceit and two counts of conspiracy.

Not good. And also his wife has been indicted as well. She faces eight counts of fraudulently obtaining controlled substance and conspiracy. She's in more trouble. Yeah, because she was the one doing it. She's the actual she's the actual pusher. The middle man.

Yeah, it's the pusher man. Romo Romanowski worked with his wife and also Loretta Johnson and possibly some other unnamed people to get the drug seven times between September 1998, January 1999. It also says Romanowski and the others involved agreed to cover up what they had done if the scheme was discovered. Well, if it's so, who cares? Why are you covering it up then? Right.

Yeah. Johnson pleaded guilty. By the way, the one person had to plead guilty in January to conspiring to illegally obtain a prescription drug. If she complies with the court order and stays out of trouble for a year, the conviction will not go on her record permanently. The case against Julie, the wife, is pending. Scientists are divided on the effects of the drug.

Some say it would be of little or no use to athletes wishing to enhance their performance. Others said it would aid by speeding up the metabolism. I think he probably, in combination with whatever else he's taken, who knows. I think he probably in combination with whatever else he's taken who knows it really doesn't matter if it helps him or not because that's why it's not on the the banned substances list for the NFL the point is he obtained it fraudulently and you can't do that with prescriptions especially if you do it over and over again I couldn't give a fuck if it was Tylenol 3 or it doesn't matter to me yeah yeah so Valium if it's not a prescription for him then it's illegal yeah no shit so august 17th 2000 romanowski rages at racist allegations is the headline in the paper

here he doesn't like it doesn't like it former broncos linebacker or a former from denver broncos linebacker bill romanowski responded angrily Wednesday to a Sports Illustrated article calling allegations that he made racist remarks. He called them an absolute lie. One of his attorneys described the article as terrible, baseless journalism. The magazine reported that Romanowski, already under indictment on charges of fraudulently obtaining a diet drug, may have distributed drugs to teammates and suggested that a white teammate take the drug as the only way to compete with black players. That sounds like something dumb he would say, doesn't it? Yeah. I'm not racist.

What I mean is. Yeah. If you take this, it'll change your genetics. Go ahead. What I mean is they got an extra bone in their ankle. I took it and it means my parents weren't Polish anymore. An unidentified teammate told the SI that Romanowski used the N-word. He didn't say to compete with black players.

So, Sports Illustrated spokesman Joe Assad said the magazine had no reason to question its account because this was a teammate that said that. Romanowski addressed his teammates during a morning team meeting later at an emotional news conference at which he appeared near tears. In contrast to his tough guy image, Romanowski shared this message. Quote, you know what? This should be an in their own words. When someone when someone fends off allegations of racism and saying the N word in the locker room in a team that's half black, I think that needs it. In their own words, quote, I told them that I had a relationship with someone I considered a friend, and for reasons that I will not go into, the friendship went sour.

And for some reason, I don't know, that person went and told Sports Illustrated something I supposedly said to him. I told my teammates that it's an absolute lie. I did not make the statement that they quoted me saying in Sports Illustrated. I didn't do it. That's his whole thing. Wasn't me. I never said that.

Wasn't me. Didn't say it. Guys pissed off at me. So, yeah. Three people close to the situation, including one of Romanowski's teammates, told the Denver Post they know the informant to be Martin Harrison, a former teammate of Romanowski's in San Francisco, who was in Denver's training camp in 98. Harrison was identified in the SI article as having given prosecutors a written statement saying Romanowski had offered him pills as pregame stimulants. Trying to use them like greenies, basically. Like baseball players use greenies.

So 2000, anyway, starts all 16 games. None of this matters. Three and a half sacks, 72 tackles. Same season, he always says. Same shit, yeah. Same thing. 2001, May 16, 2001, they find out that investigators entered his home illegally. Statements to investigators by Broncos linebacker Bill Romanowski and his wife cannot be used in their prescription drug trials because officers entered their home illegally, a judge ruled Tuesday.

In Castle Rock, Colorado, by the way. Really? A Colorado judge ruled that a Broncos player didn't do anything wrong. the way really a colorado judge ruled that a broncos player didn't do anything wrong um district judge thomas thomas curry called the statements the fruit of a poisonous tree yeah if they came in without it is it all goes down if you don't have it so because the fda or the federal drug enforcement agency agents and county officers entered romanowski's home without consent or warrant well you can't do that. That's not allowed. Investigators said they merely stepped over the threshold of the couple's house, then

stepped back and waited for permission before entering. Wow, that's pretty ticky tacky. I think we can probably. Curry denied in a defense motion to dismiss the charges against Romanowski because of the way it was conducted. Harvey Steinberg, the couple's attorney, has claimed officers threatened the Romanowski's nanny with deportation and harassed the couple at an autograph signing session. Curry has not ruled on the Steinberg's motion to drop fraud charges against Bill Romanowski. Steinberg argued that they were based on a vague statute.

Okay, the couple's doctors expected to testify. he pleaded guilty to providing diet pills and was sentenced to 18 months of probation so the doctor who prescribed him to them that's that's what he pled guilty to giving them the pills the pills without a prescription other person in this pled guilty already to all that but there they didn't do it we weren't there okay yeah that's the logic is just fucking insane so and anybody that steps in my house is even a step now you can't use anything else okay yeah i thought like they burst through the door with no warrant that's what it sounded like to me which they made it sound like yeah with a battering ram gun to his wife's head up against the counter and she was like okay i took the

pills like that's what i pictured in my head not Not a step in and then, oh, sorry, yeah, no, can we come in? Oh, yeah, okay, and then we'll go in because that wouldn't make a difference. Wow. But without his statements, June 30, 2001, Romanowski is acquitted in a prescription drug case in Castle, by the way, in Colorado. This is all being done. Romanowski acquitted.

He lived in Castle Rock? He didn't even live in Denver? Castle Rock. Well, that's where the charges were. I mean, I don't know what. It's got to be where his house was. Who knows? Oh, that may be where the doctor, who the fuck knows.

Yeah. He's acquitted Friday. He says, I'm just so thankful to the jury that they found me not guilty. You fucking should be. I take a lot of pride in being a good person and being a good role model. And a lot of that was in question. A lot of that was in question in the last two years. One of his attorneys said that the trial has taken its toll on the player and his family this has been a terrible terrible ordeal he said wow interesting he said we felt the need to bring

this to the jury for the for the community to have a chance to speak oh you know the community who aren't broncos fans at all we We hear King Soopers voice in that. Yep. I guess Julie told made the statement to the sheriff's official and the DEA agent who questioned her that she did it. So they had it all. But without her statements, they didn't have anything, even though they had the doctor testifying that he gave it to her. And everyone knows he had it. None of that matters.

So, wow. That's that's amazing. So prosecutors dropped the charges against his wife, Julie, who had faced eight counts as well. They had to after the statement was dismissed. 2001 Denver Bronx. So innocent, clear, and free. Wow. Wow.

Eight and eight, the Broncos go in 2001. Not as good here. Again, no John Elway. Yeah. So 2002, February 27, 2002 2002 he signs with the raiders the raiders that's right here who who will take on this guy we'll take on a who's a guy fen fen pushing son of a bitch a spitting cheap shot artist who fucking just got acquitted on federal drug charges who will pick him up only the raiders exactly is their

quarterback is is carrie collins our quarterback right now this point i don't remember too i'll check it out though i think no this is rich gannon i think oh yeah this is the barrett robbins years when we talked about him so this here wow and he said about this the reason i remember this because he wasn't upset to go to the rival he said He said the best part of the move was that his gold, or the worst part of his move was that his goldfish died, but it was orange so he doesn't give a shit. Oh, that's very nice. Just really wanted every chance he could to take a swing at Denver for not keeping him. And it's, dude, you're under federal. They defended you during. They, you're under federal...

They defended you for spitting in people's faces. No, federal drugs. They've defended you for years. They're tired of it. You got two rings, man. Yeah. There's a reason why no one has re-signed you after a contract. You get that?

Even though you've been very productive, but people sign you and then they leave you? Three times now. That's how it goes. So the Raiders, who probably, I'm sure, had to fight tooth and nail with the Cowboys to get such a ne'er-do-well asshole. I mean, God, I can't imagine. Jerry Jones is like, we need to have him. This guy's perfect for us. This is the first time he's gone to a team post a Super Bowl run, though.

Yeah, that's true. Maybe Michael Irvin will stab him with some scissors if we can bring him in here. Get those guys to fight. Well, 2002 was the year they went to the Super Bowl. Was it 2001 that they lost? No, it was the next year. Oh, it was this year. This is the year. First year with him.

So he signs with the Raiders here. Contract is for seven years. Wow. He'll earn $2 million in 2002. $ 1.3 million dollar signing bonus 700 000 base salary so doing pretty well for himself between his base salary of 2.2 million and various bonuses he was scheduled to make 2.9 million with the broncos this year so he's gonna make a little less um romanowski said it's like it was meant to be me and the Raiders eventually yes it was it really was they make you feel like you belong it's a team that doesn't look at things like chronological age

it's a team that you know doesn't build their roster with logic and reason that's why they fucking sucked on a historic level for the last 30 fucking years in this league that's why they don't look at things like chronological age he just explained it all um and just looks to see if you're a football player i wanted to go out there with i wanted to go out with a winner and winning is what oakland is all about even though we haven't done it in a long time it's been a minute except for this season denver released him after they couldn't reach an amenable accord to his contract situation it was in the last year so they just released him he seriously couldn't reach an amenable accord to his contract situation. It was in the last year.

So they just released him. He seriously considered reconfiguring his contract by lowering his base salary, but they said that Broncos wanted to elevate a younger player to the starter role, so they wanted to kind of push him out anyway. Ian Gold is who they wanted to get in there. Oh, he's good.

Yeah, he was. That's why they wanted him in there. So they saved about a million dollars by releasing Romanowski. Romanowski said, great years, but things change about Denver. Romanowski, the Raiders fans have hated him for years. Everyone hates him. Nobody likes him. He's a big, huge asshole.

If he plays for your team, you sort of like him if you're kind of an asshole. And he's been your rival for the last five years. he's always everybody's rival that's the name of this fucking episode everybody's rival you know what right in that everybody's rival yeah there's no fucking other way to put it he is everybody's it's fucking sad yeah he was the eagles rival uh then he goes to the eagles then he's uh then he's the the then he goes to the bron. Then he goes to the Broncos. He's the Raiders rival. Yeah. Runs on over there. So he said, quote, I'm a hated player around the league, but when I'm on a team, I'm a guy you like.

I can't wait to hear these fans cheering me. I wish I could run out on that field tomorrow. Yeah. Raiders go 11-5, beat the Jets in the playoffs 30-10, beat the titans that year and then lose to the bucks in a trouncing 48 21 barrett robbins ran away to mexico and had a mental breakdown and it's a whole big mess jerry rice on that team which i forgot about is that yeah that's right started all 16 games that year fucking machine he was august 2002 the eddie george incident what is that okay here we go uh this is from the this is funny i just like the way that it's put in the tennessean this is the newspaper yeah they have

like these you know uh happy not happy they have so not happy it has under under the heading not happy after reviewing the play on videotape yesterday morning jeff fisher didn't mince words about thursday night's first quarter collision between Eddie George and Bill Romanowski. George suffered a cut on his chin after Romanowski got his hand under George's face mask, but Fisher was just as unhappy with the rest of the play. Quote, I thought Bill Romanowski threw an elbow right in the back of Eddie George's head,

if you want my personal opinion. There isn't a place for that in this game. I have a great deal of respect for Bill as a player. I've been with Bill, but you don't play like that. Right. He said, I'm sure at some point in the league,

I'm at some point, the league will have to look at it. I'm not going to call the league to complain. The league's probably watches every play Bill's involved with anyway, you know, because he's always cheap shotting people. So the NFL finds Romanowski right after that. Obviously, a couple days later, they fine him.

He ends up, they confirmed he's fined. He is, Eric Barton, it's him and Eric Barton each fine $5,000 for headshots on consecutive plays against Eddie George. Oh, my God. In an exhibition game. In a fucking exhibition game, this was. Headshots. In other words, let's knock Eddie George out of the game.

That's what that was. Romanowski's second series as a Raider, he missed the preseason opener at Dallas with a stiff neck. He hit George in the back of the helmet as Barton tackled him at the end of a three-yard run. Even though George jumped off the ground and angrily exchanged words with Romanowski on his way back to the huddle, the scene seemed relatively innocuous at the end of a three-yard run. Even though George jumped off the ground and angrily exchanged words with Romanowski on his way back to the huddle, the scene

seemed relatively innocuous at the time. Then George caught a short pass over the middle on the next play. Romanowski made the intentional hit and finished the tackle. Or the initial hit and finished the tackle. Then Barton sent George's head to the ground with a push against his face mask after the officials

had whistled the play dead. So he was called for a personal foul. So they're fucking with Eddie George. That's all it is. And that's not really doesn't work. Eddie George will just still get 140 yards on you. He was nasty. He's a big guy, too.

He's not Dexter Carter. No. Eddie George was a big 6'3". He was a hoss, man. That's the Titans they figured that out fast and they got yeah they got one right now the same way same yeah they always yeah Titans seem to know running backs in the last 20 years so uh that year he's plays in all six starts all 16 games again Romo four sacks 91 tackles and an interception

not too shabby but that um there it looks looks like he's not going to be playing much longer, as we'll talk about here. So far, he's played five years in San Francisco, four in Denver, one in Oakland, one in Philly. 2003 Raiders, they go 4-12 this year. August 16, 2003, which is before the season starts, the Raiders suspend Romanowski. He was suspended for a day and fined by the team

after he punched a teammate in the face during the team's practice Sunday afternoon. Who did he punch? Fracturing the player's left eye socket, knocking out a tooth. Okay, it's all fun and games when you're just making a little hit, but when you're ruining a guy's ability to make a living and put food on his fucking table and he's on your team you're a piece of shit period destroying bones in his face the agent for second year tight end marcus williams 25 years old said monday that his client filed a report with the alameda police sunday evening following following the incident lee j colligan the sports agent and attorney in Santa Monica,

confirmed that Williams, who prepped at Berkeley High and played collegiately at Washington State, sustained a fractured left orbital bone and a broken tooth as a result of the altercation. Wow. Alameda police lieutenants said that the department would not pursue the matter after speaking with Williams Monday afternoon. The team probably told him, him hey don't take it that far we'll take care of it in-house i'm sure that's the way the raiders would handle it um following a phone conversation with raiders coach bill callahan that guy's an nfl fucking failure over and over again sunday night williams told the investigator he did not want to pursue a criminal complaint

against his teammates. So after he had a nice call with his coach, then he said, no, no, no, I can't have that. The cop said, quote, he said he kind of overreacted by calling the police. No, a guy hit you in the face so fucking hard he broke your orbital bone. That's exactly the response. And took a tooth. And took a tooth out. He said he wanted to keep it on the field.

As far as we're concerned, the case is closed. Alameda Police Monday evening said we're referring inquiries to the case to the Raiders. They said yes to Raiders about it. Whoa. The colleague and the agent said, I believe we're more concerned with Marcus's health right now

and how he comes out of it in the next few days. I'm hoping there isn't any permanent damage to him. After that, we'll have to see the extent of the damages and how he comes out of it in the next few days. I'm hoping there isn't any permanent damage to him. After that, we'll have to see the extent of the damages and how he feels. Quote, I know that at this point, Marcus is pretty upset and he believes Bill should be held accountable, is what the guy said. So, wow. Culligan said Romanowski pulled Williams' helmet off during a routine play in practice and punched him in full view of all the teammates and coaches. More than once. Pulled his helmet practice and punched him in full view of

all the teammates and coaches. More than pulled his helmet off and punched him in the fucking eye. That's horrible. That is some bitch shit. That's in the mouth to hit him several times. Dick. Oh, look, you want to see the picture? Come here.

Look at this. Holy shit. He looks like Mitch Blood Green after Mike Tyson punched him. That's what he looks like. Are we sure he just punched him or didn't hit him with his own fucking helmet? Fuck, man. That is brutal. Unbelievable.

There was no reporters there because they're barred from practices. They said Romanowski, who's got a long history of violent on-field altercations, was immediately ordered to leave the facility after the punch. He departed as they were coming off the practice field. This guy went to the hospital. Well, Romanowski went home. He was suspended for one day by the team and was fined an undisclosed amount, said Callahan.

Good job. Romanowski declined to comment as he left the facility. Quote, I didn't see the incident, Callahan said. I did speak to both. I guarantee you it's on video. You guys fucking, every practice, every inch of it is videotaped. You all know what happened.

You can watch that in slow motion in three fucking angles by the 2000s. And if you don't have it, call Bill Belichick. He's probably got it. He's got it. Trust me. Someone's got it there. That was great. Good one.

He fucking, wow. This guy is, what a terrible piece of shit liar this guy is. I did speak to both individuals last night and got the story from them. I'm not going to go into the details because I did not see it. Because I didn't want to see it. I turned my back. They said there was so much swelling that doctors can't even determine the extent of the damage just yet. Wow, that is fucking wild.

It took place in a drill where seven offensive players run through skeleton plays against nine defensive players. It's always a physical drill, Callahan acknowledged. It's a competitive drill. There's a fine line. We talked to our players about the fine line of finishing and respecting your teammates and for doing their job. Fighting is not finishing. No, and ripping someone's helmet off and punching them unprotected is really not finishing. That's just being an asshole.

Asked whether he was disappointed in Romanowski, Callahan said, It doesn't matter who it is. When it gets to that severity, I'm going to level discipline. It goes beyond the game. Once it's beyond the respect and dignity of a player, it's a tragedy. So he said, There's always a concern of a disruption to the team. Speaking to Bill and Marcus, guys in the fight, was pretty much a one-sided issue. We've addressed it and moved on.

We're on to next week. We're on to next week. Going to brush that right under the rug there. So they've moved on. They're done. They don't care. Callahan gives up here. So August 27, 2003,

Bill, now, he blames himself for the fight, he says, obviously. yeah i mean considering it's definitely nobody else's fault mighty big yeah mighty big so yeah he said quote i hold myself accountable it was a classless move by me yes oh there you go um that's not enough though for the guy with a broken fucking orbital socket there he said this is the that guy's agent again. Is there any excuses for potentially ending a football player's career? He's kind of waiting to see the extent of the damage. We'd rather not sue.

But if it comes down to this man has lost his football career as a result of this incident, I would hope we can get some compensation. He's going to sue him. Yeah, I mean, are the team for letting it happen? It's under all under the team's auspices. I mean, they're the ones who you get sued for and him to sue him. I mean, are the team for letting it happen? It's all under the team's auspices. I mean, they're the ones who you get sued for and him. Probably sue everybody. They said that this is what the agent says again. He's a little scared, if anything.

Essentially, he's going to have no film, no playing time to show to market himself to another team that year, next year, if that's necessary. Bill said, quote, I made my apologies. I said what I had to say said quote i made my apologies i said what i had to say to him i pretty much told everybody what i had to say you can try to make excuses but there's no excuses it just won't happen again there you go so yeah he apologized he said to the rest of the players and a linebacker said quote i don't see it as a big problem it's just something that happened bill's a part of the family, and so is Marcus. Brothers fight all the time. Wow, that is wild.

He said he talked with Callahan, and, yeah, he said he also denies having an anger problem. Romanowski said, quote, I've never really had problems controlling my temper. No? Which may be the most bullshit statement anyone on this show has ever made and that's saying a lot the most obvious bald face lie that's like if lawrence taylor said i never really like the smell of cocaine that's the same fucking that's the same

level of lie bill it is you fucking know it is you are to tempers what lt is to cocaine fuck he said i am an intense guy on the football field and sometimes i can get carried away i just got carried away two days ago i'm gonna make the situation right from this point forward can i move forward i have no choice the punishment is not about a fine or missing practice it It's about what you learn as a person. You've got to look in the mirror and say, I screwed up. There's two reasons I play the game. One is my love of the game and my love and respect I have for the game. And two is to win the Super Bowl.

And I can't do it without teammates. I let my teammates down and I apologize to them. Well, everything should be fine then. That's all good, I guess. He only plays in three games this year. And that's because he's got some concussions, he said. Well, we'll talk about this. October 13, 2003, Raiders linebacker Bill Romanowski doesn't know or won't say how many concussions he's had

in his 16-year NFL career. A shitload, I'm going to say, if you lead with your fucking helmet all the time. Won't say because he can't say. Won't say because he can't form the words that make that number because he's had so many. But he did tell SI this week that he suffered a concussion or got dizzy and nauseous from hits in the first three games

of an exhibition game season this year as well as in the Super Bowl last year. So basically every time he takes a hit, he gets nauseous and gets a concussion at this point, essentially. So the most recent of these incidents, he got popped by Broncos running back Clinton Portis in the first quarter of the Monday nighter and has Romanowski thinking retirement. Oh, he said, I. Yeah. Clinton Portis popped him. Really? Yeah. He he said i have a

dull ache in my head must have put a block on him when he wasn't looking he said i have a dull ache in my head each of these last few incidents i get hit and then things get very scrambled i get disoriented maybe 5 10 15 seconds that's a severe concussion that's a long time that's a very bad concussion if you don't know where you are for 15 seconds that is think about that that you that's you'd be out in a boxing match you have 10 yeah oh you'd be out yeah that's ridiculous for your safety they'd take you home they take you home and say you can't get punched anymore yeah he said and when i start to try to work out now those symptoms come back which is what happens with concussions when you start doing anything you get dizzy and you get nauseous if you

have bad concussions just now been 15 seconds since you said if you don't know where you if you didn't know where you were for the last 15 seconds that's dangerous that's dangerous he tried to jog at the practice facility but said he got dizzy and his head started pounding after only a few steps. He shook up his brain too much after jogging. Jogging. It's too fucking scrambled. Wow. Oh, it's hurting.

We're going to keep Bill in a fucking nerf bubble from now on. Yeah. He said, when I went for tests with some concussion specialists in Pittsburgh, one of the doctors told me it was like he was listening to Merrill hodge harry carson or steve young all guys who retired from fucking concussions who sound terrible yeah who yeah i mean they're all okay but they retired because they were of that merrill hodge was a commentator forever i don't know if he still is but steve young's still out there and harry carson harry carson does not got in the hall of fame no he doesn't no he got in the hall of fame though romanowski who's won four Super Bowl rings, sounded like a man moving quickly toward calling it

quits here. He's played in 243 consecutive NFL games, by the way. 243? 243, yep. He said, I'm not ready to make any sort of announcement, but I know this. I can walk away from this game, and if I do, I can be proud that I gave everything I had on every

play to be the best I could. Merrill Hodge, who used to play for the Bears and Steelers back in the day, he retired at 29 after a series of concussions. He's a running back. He said, even though no one works out or takes care of himself like Bill, there's no training regimen that can fix a brain injury. Right. Exactly.

You can't just do sit-ups until that's better. It doesn't get back. You fucked your brain up that's it romanowski sent next to brett jones on a flight to pittsburgh for his examination that's the former 49er tight end who was working uh the game for cbs jones had eight concussions in his 12-year career that he knows of right uh told romanowski about young's concussions which forced young to retire. He said, quote, Jones said, you don't know which concussion is going to put you over the line.

And I said, what more can you accomplish? But when you're such a competitor like Steve was or Bill is, you can't see beyond the next game. Wow. Romanowski said, here's what it comes down to. As a football player, you're trained to lie to yourself. You're trained to say no matter how you feel, I'm fine. I'm the Iron Man. There's been a few you're trained to lie to yourself. You're trained to say no matter how you feel, I'm fine. I'm the Iron Man.

There's been a few times I've said that to myself. I felt one of these in the Super Bowl but didn't say anything. I couldn't say anything. I just fought through it. It's the Super Bowl. He wanted to play. What are you going to do? That's it. March 2, 2004. Released by the Raiders after failing a physical. Yeah.

He's fucked up. He can't pass it.'s not in nfl shape no they won't let him it's probably a brain thing i'm sure january 28 2005 here comes balco now balco is the bay area lab deal that had very bonds and all those people involved in it's all tons of steroids. Tons of people. All steroids or whatever he was doing, a certain HGH compound thing. So lawyers hearing a – I said a hearing scheduled for Monday on possible government misconduct in the case has been delayed until March 16th. A link to Balco and suspected steroid use has also become an issue in a lawsuit involving Bill Romanowski. I'm here.

The lawsuit asking for 3.8 million dollars was brought against romanowski by a former teammate marcus williams oh he broke his fucking eye yep uh romanowski longtime advocate of performance enhancing substances who's been implicated in the balco steroid scandal punched williams then a raider's tight end as we know in a complaint filed the chronicle reportedicle reported Williams said he sustained career-ending brain injury from the blow, and his legal team, in an effort to link the so-called steroid rage

to the fight, had pressed Romanowski, the Raiders, and the NFL for information about Romanowski's possible use of steroids. Williams' suspicions have their roots in Balco, the newspaper reported, because Romanowski's name has come up repeatedly in the case. And in 2003, he tested positive in an NFL drug test for TGH, also known as the clear.

That's the shit Balco was doing. That's what Barry Bonds was on. The previously undetectable steroid that Balco is accused of providing. Court records show that Conte, that's the guy who was running Balko, told authorities that Romanowski was supplied with the clear and another designer steroid known as the cream. He had both. March 8th, he's being sued again, like we said.

He said that he tried to explain the duality of his existence, Bill. He said he's a family man but someone who plays a violent, violent game. He's soon going to publish Romo, My Jekyll and Hyde Life, which is his book. It's going to speak of being a mild-mannered man off the field.

And you play this violent sport with a lot of hitting out on the football field. So he's going to do that. Meanwhile, he's being fucking sued for millions of dollars. He told the jurors that he did punch Williams in the the face but did not remember much more about the fight he said there was a fight that broke out my reaction was a reaction from being pushed in the back oh well that's fair pushed in the back yeah rip a man's helmet off yeah how about turn around slap his helmet what's up motherfucker and then you wrestle to the ground like football players i don't know um the attorney said williams attorney said you were on the field tell us this is your trial williams and um so they did here he's seeking damages for alleged battery negligence and intentional infliction of emotional distress the raiders have claimed they're not responsible

for any damages and they fined romanowski $60,000 for the incident. So, yeah. They said a former Raider, Ryan Prince, testified that he and Williams were backup players trying to make the team when it happened. He said Romanowski punched Williams twice, first knocking off Williams' helmet before delivering the second final blow. Wow. Romanowski said Williams' helmet came off as I connected with a punch. He said he lost his composure here and he said that, you know, he understood. Wow, this is funny. This is Romanowski quote. He later lost his lost his composure again, beginning to cry as he recounted his freshman year at Boston College, struggling to make the starting lineup and how it was his dream to get a scholarship. Boston College, struggling to make the starting lineup and how it was his dream to get a scholarship. Quote, here I am crying in front of you guys, he testified, wiping away a tear.

Wow, that's fucking amazing. So anyway, he's been fined shitloads in the past, as we know. And Oakland can't claim that they are not responsible if they're fining a player who represents their organization. They're wearing your helmet. Whatever happens in your facility under your coach's watch, that's all part of it. So they're saying that he's solely responsible, not them? Is that what they're saying?

All him. That's it. So Williams would eventually be rewarded $340,000 for lost wages and medical expenses. No, he never plays again. and medical expenses. Uh-huh. 2000. No, he never plays again. Never plays again. Never plays again.

No. 2005, Bill's an actor now. Oh? He's in The Longest Yard. Remember that remake? Oh, yeah. The fucking Adam Sandler movie. Yep.

And then he's also in Shooting Gallery, which I don't even know what the fuck that is. Sounds like it did well. Did amazing. So well, we've never fucking heard of it yeah a book of his here co-authored a book obviously didn't write it himself with crayon and toilet paper when his head wasn't pounding uh became a bestseller there covering his entire life oh yeah may 18th 2005 here in the newspaper it says romanowski quote pushed that envelope on drugs. He says now,

now he starts because when you write a book, you have to say all the, you can't just write a book going, had a pretty good football career. It was fun. Have a good one. Everybody. You have to say,

this is the crazy shit I did. Yep. So he said he stayed one step ahead of NFL drug policy during his whole career, taking nutritional supplements. The league had not yet banned. Tried to stay ahead of the curve, he said. So he's basically the Bill Belichick of drugs.

Doesn't say we can't film people right now. Where does it say that the footballs have to be this fucking much inflated? Just stretching it. Just stretching the rules. He said, as soon as they found out that something could be tested for, I stopped taking it. I didn't want that embarrassment, but I pushed that envelope ethically and morally because I could take something that would help me perform better. It wasn't on the list. I was going to take it.

He said, I had two criteria. Would it hurt me and would I test positive? In the end, there's been some embarrassment at what I had to deal with. He said he took supplements because he was insecure. He was insecure, yeah. He said that in 2003, the NFL notified him he tested positive for, like we said, the clear there. And he said it wasn't about illegal. It was about doing things that they couldn't test for.

At the core, I compromised my integrity to become the best I could be to perform at the highest level. He said, that's the learning experience. If you continue to do the things that compromise your integrity, then what are you? Morally, you get in a bind. What do you want? Is it quality of life? Do you want to feel good? That was the struggle I had.

Okay. Okay, well, you were hurting other people here. So October 9, 2005, GQ article here. It's called Mr. Dirty Comes Clean. How much are they going to talk about him? It's fucking wild. They said that, here we go, one of the things that stands out is at the bottom of the pile trying to rip a ball out of Dave Meggett's hands. Well, you should do whatever you want to Dave Meggett because he's a terrible rapist.

Rip his heart out of Dave Meggett. I don't care. Rip his cock off. I'll take Romanowski over Dave Meggett. At least Romanowski's not raping people. This is any day of the week. All I could get was a finger and there was a little snap, crackle, pop that happened. So they said to Dave Meggett, no, you were the perpetrator.

And he said, I don't know if he did, because I got up fairly quickly after that once, after that one, and I couldn't get the ball. After that once, I couldn't get the ball. I remember a play or two later, him coming back with his hand all taped up. You know, mentally, physically, however you can get the edge is what I tried to do, at almost any cost. I wanted to win so badly that at times I would almost say or do anything just to try to gain an advantage.

I crossed the line. And looking back on it now, I'm not proud of the things I did. And if I had to do all over again, I would do it differently in some of those circumstances. I broke people's fingers. Anything you could get in the pile. You choke people. He said, was it hard on your family that you were so caught up in the game? And he said, there's a price you pay for success. Things that are easy to attain I don't think have a lot of value to them. So it's really in any field that people choose to excel, I think there's a price you pay. They said, in your case, what was that price? He said, down to the core, it would be my integrity, my morality.

Wow. Okay. Interesting. They said, like Barry Bonds and Jason Giambi, you testified before the Balco grand jury. Their testimony was leaked, however. How do you think they feel about it? He says it just goes to show you that here's the justice system. And on some level, they're probably dirtier than the guys who are doing the drugs. Shut the fuck up. That, too, bothers the shit out of me. And that's a guy who's not all for the justice system and all that. But don't do these people who try to make themselves out of folk heroes because they've fucking done some illegal shit makes me crazy. You did dumb shit. Don't blame them and go, they're dirtier than me. No, no, no, no. They might be dirty, too, but that has nothing to do with your dirt.

Right. The cleanliness of others relies nothing on what you've done. Don't what about it? Because that's not, that doesn't work. There are people who have gone through the justice system who didn't do as bad of things as other people. Yeah, it happens. It's not a perfect world, but also you're also a scumbag. So don't act like you're not that Jesus. They said, do you feel like you have the feeling that you were, to this point, you've sort of flown under the Balco radar, that you haven't endured the same degree of scrutiny that Giambi and Bonds have had? Well, Bonds was the home run king, and Giambi was a huge star at the time, so he was a fading nobody then.

Are you concerned that this book may change that? He said, well, I think the one thing about them is that they're still playing the game so for me maybe i'm old news exactly they said what did thg the balco steroid you took look like what did it taste like he said it was kind of a golden color i guess it didn't taste very good they said did it taste fishy like spoiled fruit what are we talking about we're getting a fucking yelp review of are those two different flavors yeah i think what what kind of bad i think is what they're saying i don't know what it tasted like it was just pretty awful and my sense of taste because of the amount of concussions i've suffered is pretty bad but it seems to penetrate some of my taste

buds anyway so how'd you meet victor conte, the Balco guy? He said, I did mineral testing with Balco for the last 10 years of my career to help keep all my minerals in balance. And he mentioned THG to me. He said that it could be a substance similar to a pro-hormone to an androstenedione. That shit. Androstene. He said that

we really don't know what it is and that they've tested a bunch of people and it looks like you can take this and it's not on the ban list. The key was would it produce a positive drug test and would it hurt me? And the answer was no to both of those. They said, did it affect your moods? No. Okay, then you're just an asshole.

At least you had something to blame it on at that point. Yeah, they left the door open. Yeah. Did it affect your sex drive? No. He said that they say Roma makes it evident that whenever you found a new pill or cream that worked for you, you would share it with teammates. Did you introduce any other players to THG? He said, I would share a lot of things with people, but I wouldn't share everything.

That to me says I'm not telling you other guys that are doing it, which is fine. You don't do that. You don't tell on other people. you other guys that are doing it, which is fine. You don't do that. You don't tell on other people. He said, were there other Raiders who tested positive for THG introduced by you to the drug? And he said, no.

His other Raiders players tested positive for it, which I bet at this place, it gets around. Yeah. You could just tell. Word gets around in the athletic community of who's doing what and different trainers. Yeah. Yeah. they know. Yeah, Victor Conti, 5'5".

He said, do you speak in length in the book about your sense of insecurity as an athlete? Do you think you needed performance-enhancing drugs, or could you have succeeded without them? He said, I'll never know if I could have just showed up and ate eggs in the morning and a healthy lunch and a healthy dinner with glasses of milk, if that would have been enough. I'll never know because i've always tried to search out what i could take that would help my body perform better i'll never know because i was always on something had to be i think since high school maybe and in my opinion i don't know because he said he really bulked up

his last two years yeah i think he realized they said after your wife was charged with fraudulently obtaining fetamine uh prescriptions uh, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that Balco was supplying you with human growth hormone. Why is there no mention in Romo of HGH? And he said, because this isn't a tell-all book. It's a tell-why book. Tell-some book. Wow.

It's a tell-enough-to-sell-some-copies book, but not enough to actually be lined up for charges for accepting illegal drugs. That's what it is. Wow. You write that your wife loved watching you play. Was it difficult for her to witness your controversial behavior spitting on JJ Stokes, for instance? Not like she's sitting in the stand saying, oh, wow, my husband just spit in somebody's face. I can't believe he would do that. I mean, a lot of times you don't know what's going on out on a football field. It's hard from the stands to see spit, I would say. You don't see that. Yeah, from section 202, it's hard to see a little drop of spit. You need a TV to see that shit.

They showed it over and over on the replay. Remember that? It was a really big thing. They said, what was her feeling about your reputation as a dirty player? Did she feel it was fair? Who cares? What? She probably just, no, it's his wife.

Why would she take other people's side? Every time he does some dumb shit, it costs her money. So she probably doesn't think it's dirty as much as she thinks it's fucked up you guys took her mortgage money away. $20,000? How much was that boat we were trying to get? Okay, yeah, that's what I thought. He said, I don't know if I've ever had that conversation or have asked her that question.

He said, when the NFL was fining you on almost a weekly basis, did she say it's not right that they're doing this? And he said, my wife 99% of the time was very supportive and loyal to me and what I did. Some of the decisions I made, she did not feel good about it, and she let me know. And he said, for instance, and he said, Fetamine, TGH, you know, drugs I got in trouble for. Yeah. What did she say about those things?

Quote, that's not in her value system, is what she said. You've said that you would do almost anything to get a competitive edge where did you draw the line he said this is a great quote the line was always moving in other words i didn't have a line sometimes it was about illegal or legal and could i get away with it sometimes it was would this create a positive drug test so basically jerry dahmer said could i eat this person and not get in trouble for it like it's not that he killed people but i'm saying like it's the same logic of yeah my main moral thing was could i get away with it which is not a moral thing which is we're not yeah okay uh but one thing

i would never do is compromise maximum effort in getting ready for a game okay well that's fine that's not what we're talking about or getting ready for an upcoming season being my best every time i took the field was the most important thing he just tried to make it seem like you should be give me credit for trying so hard to get ready that i did illegal shit that's what he just said maximum effort illegal wow jesus christ this guy he's ready i swear to god he's got one fucking hand nailed to a cross and he's just trying to get the other one up there he's like how do i nail that other fucking hand up there while my fucking hand other hand is nailed because i can't work i'm yeah i'd love to walk around with this thing on my back because i'm really a fucking martyr this guy's such an asshole um he says uh being

the best time being the best every time i took the field was the most important thing what in your mind looking back is the first time you crossed the line? The point in which everything was different? He said, probably taking Fetamine. He said, did you feel guilty about it? What was running through your mind? He said, no, I was so caught up in being the absolute best I could be and getting ready for the next game, the next season, the next workout.

I was so blinded by what I had to do to be the best I could be to compete that there's a part of me that didn't really analyze and look at what I was doing all the time. He said, what did you think Phentermine was going to do for you? He said, it gave me the sense that I could run through a brick wall if I had to. You just knew if you took that, boom, that was going to get you right for the game. Okay, and they said, did it give you any side effects? And he said, yeah, you couldn't sleep that night.

And if a football game drains your battery to 5, 10%, then there was a negative amount of energy left after you took that. It was painful for me to talk to somebody after a game. It was like I would look forward to the offseason coming where I didn't have to take it. There was only one time I liked it. The only one time I liked to take it, and that was right before a football game. Okay. Did you see Jerry Maguire? I did.

Okay. Okay. Do you remember the moment near the end when Cuba Gooding Jr. in that Roy Firestone interview starts to cry? It almost seems like a rite of passage for tough athletes, whether it's while they're still playing or afterwards, to kind of open up to show they have feelings, too. What do you think that's all about? afterwards to kind of open up to show they have feelings too. What do you think that's all about? Number one, you got to realize that if it was just a non-confrontational football player, chances are journalists wouldn't want to do this interview. But as far as a rite of passage, I'm hoping that people take away from reading my book that this is a guy who struggled with fears

and insecurities at times, and that ultimately he had a work ethic that was second to none and a passion and a love for the game that was second to none and a passion and a love for the game that was second to none today most people this is the question today most people think of uh first when they think of bill romanowski as balco do you worry that might drown out the message of your book message what's the message wow he said i'm sure there's i'm sure there's people like yourself who are writing articles and creating stories who will focus on that. Okay. Because they want more people to read what they're putting down on paper or what they're saying.

Yes, and it's not your fault for being. That's something people are interested in reading. Right. Yes. But I think there's a lot of people that will go deeper and reflect. Why? Why would they? that will go deeper and reflect.

Why? Why would they? So, Balco's probably the biggest scandal in the history of professional sports is what the guy said. Like, that's why we're writing about it. It's a huge scandal.

And he said, Balco's a very small part of Bill Romanowski. Okay, well, you don't get to pick your legacies, the problem. With any, anytime you're famous for anything,

you don't get to pick your legacy. Once you put yourself out into the world, you belong to ether and that's just the way it is other people choose your legacy bill's trying not to stain it and he he wants he wants fucking hall of fame yeah he's already stained as fuck i think here so 2006 he's an actor again here uh the bench warmers he plays oh that's right he is yeah he's in that then he said wow 2006 he found he founded a nutritional supplement company oh nutrition 53 what's in it god i'd love to know what's in that zinc jesus it's ground up panda dicks. That's what it is. Yeah, it's a lot of zinc. Zinc and panda dicks. Oh, man. 2008.

Romanowski was the defensive coordinator for the Piedmont High School Highlanders freshman football team in California. Freshman team where his son played. 2008. He's acting again. Really? Oh, yeah. He's in a movie called Wieners.

Didn't hear that one. I don't know that one. He plays a cowboy. 2008, he also is in Get Smart. Did they make another Get Smart? Nope. Same one. Yeah, they did, but it's Steve Carell.

Okay. Oh, that's right. He was playing that. Okay. That's actually a good casting there. Federal Air Marshal, he played there. And then he's in Bedtime Stories, and he plays a biker. I guess.

Sounds like it. January 15, 2009, he said he had a meeting with new Denver Bronco coach Josh McDaniels to discuss nutrition. I couldn't even get it out of my mouth because it's so ridiculous. What? Bill, you're the last guy I'm going to discuss fucking nutrition with, with okay i'd like all my players to pass their drug tests and not get suspended that sounds like a josh mcdaniel's move that guy is a fucking turd well it gets better no no it wasn't him romanowski said he's been contacted by broncos owner pat bolin to come in for a meet and greet early next week with the coach who replaced mike shanahan

wow they said that broncos the vice president Wow. They said that the Broncos, the vice president of public relations, said that the Broncos had no meeting, no knowledge of a meeting with Romanowski between him and Boland. Well, yeah. Well, Pat did have some dementia there at the end. Maybe that's what it was, yeah. Bill says, I'm going to profess my vision on how to better take care of athletes. He said he wants to be a coach someday.

He even tried to persuade Boland to let him interview for the head coaching job after Shanahan was fired. Shut your mouth. You've coached one year of freshman football. And you want to coach. Your fucking brain is scrambled, you've already said. And you want to be the head coach? What are you, out of your fucking mind? You want to be the head coach of a team that you publicly said horrible things about yeah i

could see saying i want to be a linebackers coach like a position coach is your first that's what you go i'm a special teams coach or positions coach and then you work your way up to coordinator he said head coach that's how many concussions he had he He thinks that was, they were going to do that. That was also at the time that they were, they were throwing head coaching positions at X players though. Not ones that never coached before. They coached. These were coordinators or did sing coach before. Yeah.

Did Singletary coach before? Plus Singletary isn't fucking this guy either. That's the other thing. Yeah. So there's no drug scandal with Singletary no no no he was known as like as the coach on the field no one ever said that bill romanowski's brilliant on the field they said he's aggressive singletary they said he's smart and aggressive it was different so yeah he's sitting your face he created an elaborate 30 point power a 30 page powerpoint presentation imagine

having to sit through that with this moron oh god but he wasn't considered because he's never coached anything he said if a coaching spot isn't available somewhere on the staff maybe for mcdaniels he wouldn't mind being the broncos performance coordinator overlooking the team's fitness and health um yeah with a drug scandal in his back yeah let's have him be the guy who tells people what to take he said there's another level on where to take a team when it comes to the way it trains is what he said so okay the lack of awareness is crazy he said he would oh it's wild that he doesn't realize that people would go, Bill, what are you out of your fucking mind? His self-awareness is zero.

Zero. Zero point zero percent. He said he would also hire a full time nutritionist and bring in some of the world's elite strength and conditioning coaches. So what do you do then? So he said, as for the protein bar, because that's what his company is going to produce. It would be like a mini Jamba juice complete with ingredients to boost strength, endurance, and the immune system. He would also design workouts tailored to an athlete's specific needs. They already do that.

There's performance centers. All the guys that train for the draft in very specific, exactly what they do now, except they've been doing it for years and they're not all crazy and concussed all the time. He wants to get in with the Broncos to sell a bar that's what he wants yeah so everyone will know about it feed everybody his fucking granola bar yep and also the broncos are fueled by this horse shit right that way an offensive lineman isn't doing the same workout as say a defensive back yep that's what they do those performance they do 40 times they do strength drills all that shit what they do on the football field is totally different. Their strength programs and speed programs will be very different.

Yes, they are currently. Say you have eight defensive backs. They're all going to be very similar in the way they're trained, but one day a week may be very detailed to what each specific player's needs are. Maybe one needs more leg strength. I think they do that with the guys already, the strength people. Maybe one needs more leg strength i think they do that with the guys already the strength people maybe one needs more of a burst maybe one has trouble changing directions to the right so you break that down specifically wow he said that he has a close

friendship with boland so his preference is to land with the broncos however he's hoping to break in the league in some capacity whether as a nutrition consultant or a coach he said quote i have a vision yeah that's because you've been. He said, quote, I have a vision. That's because you've been hitting the head a lot. You probably have a lot of visions. Don't follow those. All those players have in common, they all are eating a bar Romanowski. A Romanowski bar.

Wow. He said, to give back is almost doing a disservice. It's almost like I feel like I owe this to the NFL for it being so good to me for so many years. So now he owes it to him. Wow. He said he also has a tight relationship with Al Davis, talks to him about nutrition and things about the Raiders, too. He's about to die of fucking old age.

At that point, yeah. What's that conversation like, a dummy and an old man? Tell me what you got there, sonny boy. Well, here's what I got. Jesus Christ. Romanowski, he said, if Davis shows any interest, he'll throw his PowerPoint presentation over to there and he'll do what you're doing. They asked, well, how's L. Davis doing? And he said, he's still sharp as a tack.

You've got to be on your game. He's testing you when he's talking to you. He said'm gonna see you go in and see how it goes i know i can make a big impact with the broncos never hear another word about if they i think they just kind of went yeah that's nice and ignored him thanks for the meeting have a great day 2011 adam sandler must love him 2011 he's in jack and jill oh the worst movie as himself too wow the worst movie yeah then in 2014 he's in blended as a baseball fan oh i didn't see that i don't know what that is probably a movie about families that are blended maybe that's probably our tv show maybe february 2nd 2016 romanowski oh boy he sends he doesn't like Cam Newton. No?

Cam Newton cut short his post-Super Bowl press conference and Romanowski went after him. He said, quote, this is hashtag Cam Newton, you will never last in the NFL with that attitude. The world doesn't revolve around you, boy.

Oh, take it easy. You could say anything, but there's a few things you can't call a black guy yeah one of them is that that word can't call him boy obviously the n word we know we all know the words that you can't say and that is fucking one of them and you know if you say boy it better be like fucking, you got a big old dick on you. Hell yeah, high five or some shit like that. Like as a friend, not like you got a big dick on you, boy. It has to come first. And it has to be friendly. Yeah.

Boy. Or almost like, oh boy, like wowee, gee. You know what I mean? Like boy, look at you. Gee golly, boy. Can't be your name is boy is not how it works you can't end the statement because it looks like you ended the statement yeah boy yep had 1322 retweets and 1316 likes before he took it down quickly by the way that's how many people were

happy with that um he was the nfl mvp that by the way, Cam Newton, who would never last in the league. So they said he posted a follow-up tweet explaining himself and telling people to chill out. Here's that. Quote, calm down, everyone. I meant he needs to grow up. And then later on, he says that was, let's see, let's look at the timeline here. 11.22 p.m. Boy. Yeah. Okay. 11.22 p.m. Boy.

Yeah. Okay. 11.36 p.m. Calm down, everyone. I bet he needs to grow up. 11.55 p.m. I apologize for that remark, boy, in quotes. He's got half an hour.

Half hour. Chill out. Didn't mean to call him boy. It was not intentional or even trying to disrespect others. Peace, everyone. He said he meant nothing racially derogatory. No, and he might not have, but you've got to know better than he might have meant it like, I'm a veteran and you're a young guy, boy, but you can't call him that.

No, no. You can call a child a boy. That's it. The boy is fine at 38. That's what he's trying to do, talking down to him, but you can't say that. You've got four rings based on other people's backs, sir. Calm down. Yeah, yeah.

One of them is Jerry Rice's. And Terrell Davis is another one. He said, I think the world of Cam Newton. I didn't like the way he handled the press conference. I can't believe that boy is something that's racially motivated. So it's my fault. I own it, and it's on me. Is that you have to know by the time you're an adult, even if you're dumb.

I get that also, and I'm just going to say this, he grew up in Connecticut. So in Connecticut, they're probably, I grew up in New York I never heard anybody say boy is a racial that's a that's a southern thing like the boy thing yeah but I knew from movies like I saw roots you don't call somebody boy that's what that's the fucking thing you know what I mean like I don't know if he didn't maybe he didn't see roots but I I did and that's what I saw and it's one of those things that you just know as a as a non-black person that you don't call a drone black person boy or they'll probably be mad at you well and from connecticut he may not have seen many black people at all that's he grew up on a dairy farm in connecticut so i don't know how he doesn't still

i think you should know by now he's been playing with black people for 20 fucking years and yeah i mean so he's aware yeah he said that um he'd rather he's uh oh yeah yeah he said that uh he played for the raiders eagles broncos over the course of his career he was asked whether he'd rather hit if given the chance peyton manning or cam newton he said quote cam newton are you kidding me i'd hit him as hard as i possibly could and probably at the bottom of the pile i'd try to get him by the neck and choke him hopefully he can't breathe for a long time why did you choose the black guy you called him boy and then he said he wanted to choke him to death you can't even if it's by accident you really really gotta fucking think of what you're saying before you say it.

That was somebody setting him up with a softball saying, here, prove you're not racist. Who would you rather hit? Peyton Manning. I'd break him in 12 pieces. He's old, fragile. And so white. I'd retire him. You could have said that.

Yeah. Instead, he's like i want to i want to choke the black guy to death obviously the black guy with the fashion so he can't breathe for a long time which is great good job bill well and you know that was coded at the time too because there was a yeah so or if it wasn't again the dumbest fucking man alive so he's either the dumbest man alive or a huge asshole or 50 a little little column a little column b which one is it asshole or idiot everybody we've played the game a hundred times i pray to god it was a it was a reporter setting him up to really shape his image a little better and help himself out and he just fucked it all up turned

the gun upside down and shot at the bottom of the boat and then in his fucking dick on top of it just for good measure oh so june 23rd 2023 oh god just recent so just now romanowski and his wife julie owe 15 $15.3 million in back taxes, penalties, and interests, according to a federal lawsuit that claimed they used their company for personal expenses, like spas and plastic surgery. What? They used company money and tried to write it off. $15 million in plastic surgery?

Yikes. That is $15 million in California federal court. Wow. Both named in the filing here. Despite being ordered by a pair of courts to pay prior tax deficiencies dating back to 1998, they neglected to do so. According to the lawsuit, total unpaid taxes, which accrued from penalties, interest, and unpaid taxes from 1998 to 2007, is a total of $15.3 million. Oh, boy. The complaint says, despite timely notice and demand for payment, the Romanowskis have neglected, refused, or failed to pay the assessments against them.

He also is accused of using funds from his nutrition brand, N53, to pay such expenses as rent, spa appointments, plastic surgery, chiropractic work, and groceries while the company faces tax penalties. What did he think he was? I just thought that it was fines. It's just money, yeah. It's just money, and, you know, I can just get personal shit done. The nutrition brand is also named as a defendant in the suit because the U.S. seeks to foreclose its tax liens against N53's assets on the grounds that N53 is the Romanowski's alter ego. Basically, we're going to roll it all into them. It's them. that Romanowski's and N53 are effectively the same entity and that the brand was only used to, quote, thwart the IRS's collection of individual tax assessments at the issue of this case. So it says he made over $30 million in his career in the NFL.

And it says now, and like we say, these net worths, they say that me and Jimmy have $20 million. It's ridiculous. I assure you we don't. So you never know. Romanowski says that he has an estimated net worth of $4 million. That was before all the tax stuff in 2020. He is negative $11 million. He is in deep shit.

Yeah, that is not great. He says, oh, Bill once said this, quote, there will always be my next dream and i will always be in pursuit okay yeah so i wanted to wait till the end there to do the i he's been a real dick to everybody and uh at the end here i certainly don't feel sorry for him but i absolutely feel sorry for at this moment bill romanowski director of technology at the Q Forest School in New York here. Bill Romanowski, manager at AAA Hobbies and Crafts in New Jersey. Bill Romanowski, author at Oxford University Press, Baker Publishing Group. Professor emeritus, Calvin University. A smart man.

A learned man. And people go, oh, you're that dipshit. And he goes, I'm not! No, I write books. Yeah, we know. We know, yeah. Deck, Jekyll, and Hyde, my ass. Okay. And that, everybody, is Bill Romanowski. And not

a shitload of crime in this one. We had Johnny Tappy in the last two weeks, which was plenty. So we're like, this is just kind of the story of a real asshole he's just a dick he's just a real dickhead he was known i mean when he was playing he was known for being a complete asshole everyone hated him and you figure sometimes people get labeled things there's villains and all kinds of sports he earned it that's the thing when the players hate you yeah for being a cheap shit asshole shots

spitting the fucking things he did under the pile reggie white was a beast reggie white would just annihilate people not a one bad word said about him in the entire fucking league because he wasn't a piece of shit cheap shot artist he was just a guy who could throw you aside and sack your quarterback and go oh man what a even lawrence taylor outside of the fact that he did coke you never heard one fucking word about him being cheap or you know he needed to be a cheap shot guy to get in there i mean he was the biggest asshole ever but not when he played when he played he played balls out right his shots were some of the biggest in history and they're they were all legal they were at the time anyway yeah so now you can do a lot of those no now i don't know some of them

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It's right about this time of the show jimmy hit me with those like a lawsuit to bill romanowski this week's he's got a producer jordan bennett of course who came to chicago great to see you good i didn't see her every time it's good knowing you were there jordan yeah laura and john brace they came to chicago also kyle norweg he's going to come to dc mar. Maria Weirker. And her birthday cat, Tofu. Happy birthday, Tofu. Happy birthday, Tofu. Meredith Powers.

Kristen Swodoboda. Swodoboda. Swobodoba. Kristen, thank you. Desiree Stevens. And other producers this week. Exactly. We can't do this without you guys.

You guys are really tremendous people. Thank you. Fucking amazing. Appreciate you all. Other producers this week are the Barbershop quartet of uh mitch and the shit stains uh carl kershner carl kershner was in minneapolis i didn't see him but thank you very much well thanks for coming liz vasquez came to chicago i didn't see her either she went to a socks game too that's cool good for her that's cool right now. Peyton Meadows, The Memory of Johnny Tapia,

Captain Insano, Happy Birthday Gurthy Gargamel, and Lakin? Lakin? Lakin? Lockhart? I don't know. Amy Deal, Amy Deal, Janice Hill, Hardy Belcher, Douglas Samaric, Chimeric, I think, Brian Matvey, and

Sabrina's second anniversary. Congratulations, you two crazy kids. Congratulations. Sonia and Coley. Coley? Ah, who knows. Kelly Huth. Nick Williams.

Nicky Williams. Eric Keist. Nick. Nick Joseph. Lexi with no last name. Ola Holo. Ola Hi. Ola Hi Nannix.

Ola Hi Nannix. Jerry Bermudez. Bermudez. Melissa Parsons. Christopher Benefield, I think. Stephanie with no last name. Kobe with no last name. Kelly with no last name.

Marcus Williams. Matt Blackmer. Blackmer. Cameron Smith. Rebecca Contigos. The Moe. No last name. Just The Moe.

Sharon Maslanka. Kayla Gilbert. Sarah Fournier. Anna Glenn. Jessica Leisure. Jonathan Akers. Yep, Jelly Shots. Allison with no last name.

John with no last name. Marcus Solomon. Jabois Yard. Jabois Yard. Gina Andradozzi. Paul with no last name. Eric Carvanelli. Carnival.

Jeremy Seitz. Seitz. Oh, it's Seitz. Valerie Warner. Sarah Wern. Jules Bodine. Kristen Simmons. Simons.

Justin Jung. Jab. Nope. Yab Yummy. Yab Yummy. Just Me and My Murder Pants. Rachel Gerke. David.

Dan. It's Dan Springer. Mary Townsend, Amanda Mongaloosie. Mongaloosie. Mongalooso. Sean Anderson. Ann Davis. Erica with no last name. Brandon Schrick. Tracy with no last name. Trinity Hecadon.

Crowded Crow. Isa. Isa. Isa Ezgari. Ezgareri, Sean McCullough, Slow God, Gerard Strecker, Colleen Schlegel, Schlegel, Raydel, Raydel Rubis, Ethan, and Angel Creecraft, Abby Vernier, Vernier, Vernier, Ryan Tharp, Jennifer Regalado, Sarah Murphy, Emily Smith, Dustin Cole, Matthew Allen, Andrea Rego, Heidi Posner, Debbie Slignar, Sliger, Sliger, Sliger, Rego. I hope it's one of those. Jared with no last name. We're trying over here. Mads with no last name. Charlie Kuhn, Kristen Marie Beznevik Veran.

Angie Nugent. Chris. Christ Chris with no last name. I said Christ. Oh, Jesus gave us money. Good. Okay. Keegan Pratt, James Swindler, Sylvia Mace, messy maybe.

Matthew Dumas, DeMoss, Downs, Tabitha Hall, Keith Bates, Dustin Tequado, Ruben Villarreal, Desiree Bovette, Chris Leitke, Jay Margolin, Cooper Frazier, Vanessa Stanley, Donna Bliss, David Kolatinski, Damon Wilson, Jozelle Yabich, Donnie Kennedy, Kenneth Riggs, Zach Polak, Josh Martin. Zach the Polak. Hey, Zach. You Polak. Polak, Polak. Josh Martin. Zach the Polak. Hey, Zach. You Polak bastard, thanks a lot for your donation. We're very happy. Thank you. Cynthia Colliner.

Rachel Lewis. Hugh Mongo. Hugh Mongo Johnson. Zach Zielinski. Jen Negro. Nigro. Probably Nigro. God damn it.

Donovan and Miranda Garcia. Bernice. Ah, Bernice. Bernice Merguia. Carly with no last name. Kelly Ferguson. Antwine Howell. Antwine?

Yep, that's what it says. Jennifer Cox. God damn it. Keith Sibley. Jay Vallada. Carol Shook. Call for a good time. Ben Miller, Darwin with no last name, JoLynn Wilkerson, Ava Zeman, Zeman, Zeman.

Don't spit. I tried to take a drink and you said Zeman. What the fuck? Oh, God, you're killing me. What the fuck? Oh, God, you're killing me. Isabel T. Logan Miley.

Amy Hudson. Laurie Matthews. Tyler Fletcher. Tim Law, or LA. Cisco Frost. Emily Blake. Emily G. Aaron Hughes.

Ellen Featherston. Damn it, I was going. Travis Gorham. Gorham. Patrick. Patricia. Patricia Smith. Miko Pohl.

Kendrick Sprouse. Dennis Kelly. Sean Barkley. Katie Zumbro. Ben in New Mexico, you poor bastard, Lindsay Olsen, Spud Nick, Zach Eldridge, Black RKO. That feels terrible to say out loud. Mariel Harrison, Jay with no last name, Linda Weiss, Jeffrey Healy, Jennifer with no last name, Dylan McNeil, Sarah Dale, Desiree Stevens, Lisa Spence, Monique Corbett, Lindsay Gonzalez, Mary Carnegie, Nancy Pappin, Deborah Janik, Tiffany Evans, Camila. Camila. Camila Vieira. Elizabeth Baze. Baze. Baze, maybe. Mark Williams. Elizabeth Armbrust.

Ashley Tillis. Hillis. God damn it. Tim Dock. Jamie Villa. Via Rivera. Jamie. Jamie.

Jamie. Brannenberg. Brannenberg. Megan Ulery. Todd Perkins. Diane. Diane, Mick, Mick, a mullet, call it. Come on.

Hey, Mick, I'm your. All right. Canada. June. June. Like fucking the camp. CN. CN.

Matthews. Matthews. Britain. Pruitt. Suzanne. Matthews. Matthews. Suzanne.

Shalom. Adrian. Two back. Heathers. Matthews. Suzanne Shalow, Adrian Tuback, Heather Singer, Michelle Wilson, Spazlegs Bibach, Hannah with no last name, Jawuku, Jennifer Kaiser, Jason Michael, Alexandra S., Katie Grander, Ashlor with no last name, Luke Cameron, Ryan Anderson, Lucas Hanson, Dan name, Luke Cameron, Ryan Anderson, Lucas Hanson, Dan Keller, Robin Williams, Robin Wilson, Flash and Charlie Sunshine, Tina Corner, Comer, Comer?

Comer. It's probably Comer. Oh, God. Oh, boy. Dory Myers, Sylvia Nelson. Nope. Sylvia Olivares, Lizzie Nelson. Madeline Birch. Jeremy Horvath.

Nicole with no last name. Cameron Harveler. Abby Smith. Laney Brown. Nikki McNeil. Sandy Spence. Fabian Schwartz. Tom with no last name.

Jamie Connor. Paul Warren. Lisa Maglio. ODS. Squirrely Boots. Brad Prouty, Dwayne Dwan, with no last name, Derek Durant, Caitlin Reedy, Wade Woodward, Katie Haug, Romelia Guzman, Shneela Wago Barnes, Barnes, Elizabeth Pyle, Aisha Tayatamonte, Florence Keurig, Haley Keeler, TJ with no last name, Sal Helps, Leslie with no last name, Christy G, Dylan Alec, Patrick Watehall, Jebediah Bililu-Kimsey, John with no last name, Kaylee Alec, Sarah Fisher, Rain, Ran, Reger, Regger, John.

You remember in a cartoon when a cartoon would run off a cliff, but then they'd run for a while in the air before they realized they were up there as well? Your legs have been moving for a while now. It's awesome. John Mayle, maybe Molly. Casey Gooding, Gutting, Gutting, Gooding. Evan Sunday, Maury. Nope, that's cory cory murphy jessica sykes dallas runa strand runa strand and all of our patrons you guys are amazing

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