Crime in Sports - #37 - How Many Bodies In The Ocean? - The Needlessness of John Paul Sr.

Episode Date: October 11, 2016

This week, delve deep into a story unlike any other we've done. Sure, his crimes are just as vicious, and definitely just as stupid, but more than anyone else, he didn't have to do any of it. He was an immigrant, from a war torn country, that earned a graduate's degree from Harvard, and millions of dollars, only to have his life devolve into a mess of drug smuggling, running from the law, shooting witnesses, running from the law some more, getting quickie divorces in Haiti, while under suspicion of killing his wife, and ill fated prison escape attempts. You know, the normal life of mathematical genius, race car driver. This episode is jam packed with crime, and has the most interesting ending of any story that we've ever done.A description could never do it justice.Fire up your engine, load up the drugs, and push your spouse overboard with John Paul Sr!! Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Tuesday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Crime in Sports!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Small Town Murder Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/crimeinsportsInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] on Patreon: patreon.com/crimeinsportsPayPal: paypal.me/crimeinsports See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I am James Petrigallo here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman. Thank you guys so much for joining us once again. We're pumped for this week's episode. Shit, yeah. This has been the pretty, this is the craziest thing we've covered, I think, from top to bottom. From beginning to end, there's, but we've had nothing like this, because there is nothing like this. And I could, I started unraveling the story, and I'm like, what? Oh, that's interesting. No. to end there's but we've had nothing like this because there is nothing like this and i could i

started unraveling the story and i'm like what oh that's interesting no not what get the fuck it was just it kept going and going to where it's like okay this is the craziest story ever and we are fully down a rabbit hole before we get to our episode though just want to do a couple of things first of all i want to thank everybody for it reviews this week. Holy shit, they came in a flood. That was great. Guys, that's the best. We celebrated our 100th. Yes, thank you so much for that. We are beyond 100 now

and that's huge. Thank you guys. Thank you one of them. That's the best thing you can do for us and we appreciate all you guys doing that so much. New listeners that are on board

for the first time, thanks for joining us. You have picked a doozy to introduce yourself to. It's awesome and we're going to have a blast with it. I want to do a couple of things about last week, the Mike Danton episode. Yes. First of all, a listener sent in, was it Brandy Arman or was it Marius?

It was Marius Zanjantan. Okay, sent us an email, a great listener. So good. You guys strap in. This is going to get amazing. Okay. a great listener so good about

you guys strap in this is going to get amazing okay his website is MikeDanton22.com right is all 2222

his number his jersey was number 22 his jersey number is 22 and a lot of his where he plays and that was the room number at the Bayview Motel

was room 22 how fucking crazy is that did they insist on that room or is that what he's taking his number off of here's the thing if he wants to say that he was that if his defense is that? Did they insist on that room, or is that what he's taking his number off of? If he wants to say that he was, that, if his defense is that he was killing his child predator and horrible things happened at the Bayview Hotel in room 22, why the fuck would you pick

that number to follow you around the rest of your life? That is his number. It's on his Mike Danton 22. Amazing things happened for him in room 22. MikeDanton22.com. Let's just say that. Also, too, Katie. Katie, if Katie is going to jail fame. Katie, we didn't have time to get into it, but Katie actually had her own trial and was acquitted, and it was a big thing, and it would have taken me another 20 minutes, and we try to keep these under two hours. Lucky girl. So we

couldn't get into Katie's trial. She got off. Danton and Frost were enough. Yeah. But never mind Danton and Frost, because, oh, Frost, because holy hell do we have a doozy for you tonight. This is a man like we've never covered before in so many different ways. In so many different ways. It's the weirdest, crazy... This is a guy who had to do what he did the least.

The least. He didn't even have to do sports, this guy. Really? That's the thing. Very little sports this week. All crime. Wall-to-wall crime. We don't have have to do sports, this guy. Really? That's the thing. Very little sports this week. All crime. Wall-to-wall crime. We don't have time for much sports this week.

So he had his life all together. Before he ever had an inkling of sport to him. He had his life, or crime for that matter. He had his life together like very, very, very few of us in this world do. Let's get into this fella here. It's a guy by the name of hans johan paul that is his birth name okay not what he's known as okay this is john paul senior john paul changed his name he changed his name he's well he's from the netherlands

so he's born hans johan paul in the netherlands december 3rd 1939 two in a row that changed their name two in a row to change your name totally different reasons here this is not to like get a run away from a family or anything like that this is and he keeps his last name at least this is just to acclimate and we'll get to why john paul what's the last name john paul senior oh his original last name is paul also it's hans johan paul gotcha i mean that's it's the same thing basically but it's funny what he changes changes his name to in the era he does it that's what's amusing um he talks about later on how bad holland was growing up for him because he grew he's born in 1939 yeah so he grew up during world war ii not a good time for holland right see diary of van frank not a good

time for ho, basically. This is prior to weed being legal there. Yeah, this is not, you know, red light district blowjobs on every corner. Tourism booming

for the red light district and the weed cafes. No, no, no, no. This is scrounging off, picking food scraps off the ground. Stealing from an apple cart. That an American soldier

left behind as they, you know, barreled through in their tank. Awesome. Basically said the war had completely destroyed the country. I can imagine. Obviously. They had very little food. He would talk about picking up

U.S. soldiers' cigarette butts off the ground. Ew. Because they were American cigarettes. And that was a big deal. And we have a... That's disgusting. To get food, he would collect the cigarettes that the G. deal. That's disgusting. To get food, he would collect the cigarettes that the GIs threw away because they throw away like half cigarettes, as we're going to hear from him in a second.

Then he would take them to the bootleggers who would steal all the supplies and all the food and he would trade them half an American cigarette. He'd trade a Reburn. He'd trade a handful of butts for a scrap of bread or something. Gross. This is this guy's childhood. He had it rough. Let's do a... Trading cigarette butts that are flicked from soldiers that go from port to port banging whore after whore after whore. Oh, 40s VD like nobody's business. Just whatever they had back then. I'll give you a VD-filled cigarette. Big band VD. For a day-old loaf of bread. It burned.

This is no good. Here's an in-their-own-words on the cigarette thing here and the whole deal. In their own words, quote, If you don't smoke, you wouldn't know what I mean. But heck, those GIs didn't think anything about a half-finished cigarette. People in this country in those days did. So he's saying it's... Shit was rough, man.

They didn't realize it, but for us it was. When you're addicted to nicotine, anything will do. Yeah, we have one more. I'm going to do another back-to-back in their own words here. Terrific. It explains a lot about his childhood and kind of maybe how he is later on.

A little hardened type of guy. In their own words on his childhood quote it was very tough then especially in the early years the country had been stripped by the nazis even toward the end around 44 1945 it was still difficult they'd airlift food and cigarettes and supplies but most of all it was snapped up and went on the black market wow shit's rugged over there man this is relief aid rice is going on the black market. It's going on the black market, and he's trading cigarettes for it. I like how he said they'd airlift in food and cigarettes and supplies. He's very concerned with cigarettes. Those cigarettes

are a big deal. If you don't smoke, you wouldn't understand that. God damn it, these cigarettes. The 40s were smoking. There was smoke everywhere. I can picture him. He's seven years old. He's got a fedora on, smoking a cigarette, a sport coat. i'm telling you he grows up in holland and finally in 1956 he said he wasn't even 17 yet when they actually came here he moves to the u.s his dad was a doctor in holland and you know before the war i guess and all that and then things kind of fell apart and so he came over here to further his education because i think the education good. Yeah, the college systems weren't doing too well after they were, you know, destroyed and blown up. You know, that sort of thing.

Essentially Aleppo of the 40s. Yeah, pretty much. So he moves over here. This is great. It's 1956. He comes over as a teenager in the mid-50s, which is, you know, crazy time, American graffiti time. The 57 Chevy's about to hit the market and change the world.

And he's going, holy shit, I'm from a place where you pick up cigarette butts to get food scraps, and these guys have, you know, tail fins. This is awesome. And cigarettes rolled in their sleeves. Rolled in their sleeves. You go up and a pretty girl on roller skates brings you a hamburger? What kind of country is this? A hamburger and a malt? Are you shitting me?

You don't have to pick anything up off the ground to barter with her for. You just give them some paper and they give you... It's insane over here. He changes his name from Hans Johan Paul, which isn't real cool for an American 50s kid. Kind of a nerdy name now. Yeah, no girl's like, I'm going to go study with Hans Johan. It wasn't happening then.

Changes his name to John Lee Paul. Oh! Because I feel like he thought that. Changes his name to John Lee Paul. Oh. Because I feel like he thought that was cool. Yeah. Like Jerry Lee Lewis. You know what I mean? It's like, I'm going to be John Lee Paul. Yeah. He sees Lee on the back of some dude's jeans and he's like, that's a kick-ass name.

He's like, fuck it. I could be any name I want over there. Lee it is. But he's still got an Axie price. Yeah. He's still got a funny-ass Dutch. Sorry to the Dutch, but your fucking accent when you speak English is hilarious. It's the best accent of anyone speaking English.

It's the funniest by far. Beats the shawarma man. I wish I did one. I'm not going to fucking even attempt the Dutch. I'll give you some shawarma man later. We're not going to do Dutch for now. Yeah, he probably grew up pompadour and everything. He's like, I'm fucking John Lee Hall, buddy.

Just playing the piano. He's learning. Lighting shit on fire. Loving it, buddy. Just playing the piano. He's learning. Lighting shit on fire. Loving it, man. So he starts in the late 50s in America working as a dishwasher. 60 cents an hour he's making back then. That's better than cigarette butts. It's better than cigarette butts, but

still not terrific. Also would do like janitorial work. Any menial job he could find to scrape together. Yeah, he's starting out. As much money as he could. He's an immigrant. And he has a plan. He has a plan to be a legitimate success and this shit is impressive. He came from war torn

shithole and any place that was like occupied by grandmothers from Italy. And she lived in Italy. She came into America in 1947 so she lived through the whole Nazi

occupation in Italy. So anybody that lives through that shit I know they're a different kind of rugged. They're just a different kind. They're survivors. They're a little harsher than most also. Oh, I can imagine.

They're tough. They have some predisposed ideas. Is that it? They lived under a Nazi regime. So they're a little scarred, some of these people. So my grandmother... They judge is the word.

Yeah, she's great, but she's crazy as fuck. We're going to get into him. He's crazy as fuck, not so great. But in 1960, he marries a woman named Joyce, an American girl. Apparently, she's kind of a dull, cold woman. Not that exciting, but he's like, hey, I'm here. I got a wife. That's vagina.

They move to Muncie, Indiana. Oh. You can't get... He's John Lee Paul. He changes his name to marry some boring broad named Joyce and moves to Indiana. He's a fucking American, this guy.

Hands down. He is a goddamn American. Oh, that's fantastic. Now, at this point, forget about it. His son, John Lee Paul Jr. Uh-huh. A junior.

Watch out for him. You betcha. He's going to race some cars, too, and he's going to be a junior athlete you think he'll have some legal problems fucking A he will

he will he's going to have a couple I'll just give you some I'll give that to you right now he's going to have some problems but unfortunately

for him they're all based on his father because his father's the asshole that makes sense the senior's the asshole here he's born February

1960 so they have a son I think I don't know if he knocked her up and got married but they that's pretty quick yeah i don't think that's fast that's a pretty fast gestation period i'm gonna say it was the 60s they were like she's getting big you better marry her i think at that point now he's somehow back then you could go to college for very little money especially at a state university if you were a resident of a state.

Student loans weren't a necessity. No, you could go for very little money. He attends Ball State University. Oh, no shit. And Muncie. Goes to college. He graduates. He does so well.

Jimmy, this is a first of any of our people. We've had smart guys on this, but nobody that actually applied it to this level. Right. He does so well that he earns himself a scholarship to get a master's degree. What? Where do you think he earns it from, Jim? You think it's, you know, Indiana State or something?

No. Fucking Harvard. Harvard. Harvard. The man got into an Ivy League school. And I don't care where you're... After crossing an ocean from war-torn Holland, comes to America, settles down, starts raising

a family, goes to college, and gets a scholarship to go get a master's degree at Harvard. It's amazing. He's a fucking genius, this guy. He's a serious... There's no reason to fuck up. He is a straight-up genius, this man. Unbelievable. A business, a financial, a mathematical... I wish I had that kind of brain.

He's a wizard, this guy. Obviously he's some immigrant janitor, dishwasher who's getting into Harvard now. It's incredible, though. He does it. He pulls it off. He earns a master's in business. Wow.

From Harvard. From Harvard. From Harvard. He's got that shit hanging on his wall. At that point, he walks out. He can do anything he wants. Yeah. He's got a master's from Harvard back then, especially.

Apply for CEO right now. You are the shit. So after graduating, he gets a job with a company called Putnam Management. And this is in Boston, which Harvard was there, so that makes sense. They're a mutual fund management firm. So this is kind of the beginnings of the mutual fund. Mutual funds in the 60s. Yeah, I did some research, and this is on research of mutual funds.

Jesus Christ, was that boring. But I don't have to bore you guys with it. As boring as his wife. Let's just say that that was kind of the beginning of mutual funds being big and you don't have to know anymore. He likes boring shit. He likes boring.

He likes to make money. He's, you know what he is? He's studious. He buckles down. He does his shit. That's the thing. I got to go to Ball State. I got to be married to this fucking boring broad

named Joyce in banger missionary style once a week. Fine. I'll do it. I'll get my diploma and I'll move on. I think that's what he is. He's see goal, get goal. That's what he's all about. And he continues that through his life.

He's a genius, basically. Within a year, he is co-manager of their main fund. Wow. He escalates to that. He's that smart. Within six years, he takes this this is in the late 60s he takes the this fund from a 600 million dollar fund to a four billion dollar in the late 60s so that that's big money in the 60s that's boatloads that's insanity i mean we're

talking this is a major thing that people would be it's like a 401k and everything else it's hard to explain it's like the gross domestic product of holland that's pretty much yes he was smart because he invested in up-and-coming companies and was smart about it he invested in mattel before they were what the toy company that made the fucking he-man everything else under the sun in the 80s probably i think they made the star wars figures i believe they make hot wheels yeah they do yeah so yeah it's it's they make Hot Wheels yeah they do so yeah that's a big deal they're a big toy

company and he got on board when they were relatively new also Kentucky Fried Chicken which was not a big company

back in the 60s it was regional and they were trying to go national him and John Wayne Gacy got in it exactly

ground floor different levels he got in a money level Gacy was actually swinging the gacy's actually frying the goddamn chicken and putting those 13 original herbs and spices together i don't think johan was doing that shit ever he was just uh but anyway he made himself a millionaire before the age of 30 so think about that guys that coming from nowhere

like you said and he's he's it comes to this country and completely legitimately through hard work and brains and just heart, he gets himself to this level. Just actual desire. Desire and the ability to... And he's now a millionaire. And he's a millionaire. Good old Joyce, sticking it out. He's got a nice family. He's got a boring wife and a nice kid.

Everything's going well for him. And a bunch of money. Bunch of money. On making money, he says, in their own words, old John Paul Sr., quote, I was one of the first to get involved with mutual funds. Within just a few years, I made a lot of my clients very wealthy. I guess I did pretty well for myself, too.

I would say so. And he laughed. He laughed. Yeah, what do you think? He was probably sitting on a fucking bed at the time. Sitting on a fucking concrete bed. Now, he was always kind of a fan of Farr. Always looked to Farr at racing, Grand Prix racing, that sort of thing, the European style racing.

Open wheel racing. Yeah, he was always into that sort of thing. And just kind of liked it. So during the 60s, while he was in his high pressure job, and he was also on Wall Street investing, doing a lot of shit, he buys a 64 Corvette to have some fun with. May as well. Blow off some steam. Live a little bit reckless here and there.

Apparently, he would go out in the parking lot of the building there and just tear ass around at night when I was there, and just practice drifting and shit. Awesome. He was doing crazy shit with a Corvette. People were like, wow, he's insane. He's a crazy shit with the Corvette. Yeah, people were like, wow, he's insane. He's a crazy person. But he had a plan again. Because in 1970, he buys a Dodge Challenger from a guy named Sam Posey.

70 Challenger's a badass car. It's a badass car. It's not a 70 Challenger. It's a Challenger that had been racing for a couple years. And it's modified for racing. It's from a racer named Sam Posey. He was a racer back then and was a TV analyst for ABC in the U.S.

here in the States. I thought the name sounded familiar. For a long time. Yes, he's a redneck. I paid attention to that horse shit in the late 80s,

early 90s. My parents would take me to all the... I know who Don Perdomo is for fuck's sake. Okay, so you're going to know a few of these guys. I know who John Force is.

Nobody knows who that is. Sam Posey. Here he is. So John starts racing using this car. He wins races in 1970. He wins at Bridgehampton and Lime Rock using this car. It was a great car, too, from what I understand. But he's a rookie racer.

He's just good at everything. Is he running pro street or is he running like circle, circle track? It's like circle track because this is like a stock car. So it's like a NASCAR car. Yeah. He's just, they're just doing whatever. So on racing here, we have another in their own words. He doesn't speak a ton, but he speaks in bursts about certain things.

Yeah. So here we go here. In their own words, this is on the whole racing thing. Quote, growing up in Europe, you always heard about the Grand Prix drivers. Yeah. Like a kid in this country hears about baseball players. I've always been interested in racing. Jesus.

So this has been his, like... This is his passion. His underlying... I'll fuck this boring bitch just to get to the racing. Yeah. I'll do a race. So now he's racing.

He's starting to feel... Trying to feel it a little bit. Got a little bite. He's feeling the Lee in his name a little bit right now. He's dancing on the piano. He's fucking his 14-year-old cousin. Not literally with the cousin. I don't know. Maybe the piano. But he's feeling the Lee in his name a little bit right now. He's dancing on the piano. He's fucking his 14-year-old cousin. Not literally with the cousin.

I don't know. Maybe the piano. But he's feeling the Lee a little too much right now. Did he take Lee from the General Lee? I don't know. I honestly think he came over, heard Great Balls of Fire, and said, Jerry Lee Lewis, John Lee Paul. That's it.

That's cool. That'll get me chicks. I really think that's what he did. That's so Billy. Let's run with it. If I ever... Well, never mind. that'll get me chicks I really think that's what he did I swear to god if I ever well never mind we'll get to him in a minute

at the end of this I'm going to say what I'd like to say to him if we ever find him and this is what it is but he divorces his wife good for him

divorces old boring Joyce in 71 had no more interest John Jr. stays with the mother for now I feel like he got his first blowjob

at the track and was like I'm not staying with this bitch. I feel like he ran one two races had a couple of pudgy drunken redneck race groupies in the 70s I can't imagine it was high quality like Donald Trump now you probably get quality at the

race track I would imagine there's not quality too but there's probably quality at NASCAR there's some quality 1970 at Limeetrack i would imagine there's not quality too but there's probably quality at nascar there's some quality 1970 at lime rock i know i can't imagine but still it was there yeah they were into it so good for him he starts to unravel a little bit too like he gets he starts pulling out of wall street because the market changes and it just turns into kind of a shitty market at this point in the late late 60s early 70s so he kind of pulls out of that he's just starting to act funny divorces his wife just starting to kind of have a midlife crisis here a little early basically uh he's a difficult guy to deal with also opinionated strong-willed yeah pain in the ass pain in the ass everybody was afraid of him everybody was like fucking

he was just not a guy you'd want to deal with if you had to deal with someone. Yeah, a guy like that that's so self-centered and done everything on his own. He needs nobody to live his life. No. So everybody's disposable to him. So he's not going to have any relationships that are going to last that are going to matter. Unless there's a benefit for him in it. He's so single-minded with what he's doing that he'll just plow anything over to get his son.

We'll talk about it 1972 now he quits his job quits everything he's doing sells everything he owns including his race cars everything quits the job on wall street mutual fund all this shit he buys a sailboat what gets a goddamn sailboat who the fuck does he think he is lost Lost his mind. Yeah. Okay. Lost his goddamn mind. We'll figure out, we'll find out where he went in a minute here, but he takes off.

He doesn't come back until 1974 when he returns. Where's this kid? With the mother. Oh my God. He just took off. He doesn't care.

It's fine. Hey, he grew up picking cigarette butts off the ground. This kid will be fine. He's got a house. That's the way he's looking at it. The Nazis aren't bombing him.

Who cares? This kid. I think's the way he's looking at it. Like, the Nazis aren't bombing him. Who cares? This kid. I think that's how he's looking at it. He's not hiding in a fucking attic. It's fine. We're all good. He'll do okay. He'll do fine.

So he comes home and starts to try to build a racing team now. I mean... Like a track racing team or a sailboat racing team? No, no. A car racing team again here. John Jr. comes and lives with him, I think, because the mother was so boring. She's just like, this Joyce lady is boring me, buddy. I can't take it anymore with her.

He calls her Joyce. See, Joyce. This Joyce, man. That's your mother. Call her that. No. No. Joyce is exactly perfect for her.

So we find out later on where he was for two years and oh my god he sounds like it was just the best time ever just i'm sure the kid didn't think that or anything but he says in their own words quote i bought this sailboat and set to sea alone i sailed to europe twice i saw the old country for the first time since i left and it made me glad to be an american i finally settled in the caribbean and then moved to Cape Canaveral, Florida and got into real estate. My goodness. He just said, I'm going to go have an adventure now. I mean, just... Wouldn't that be great?

Not really. I mean, a loan would suck. I can't take that. I'd lose my fucking mind. Sailing, though, would suck dick. That'd be horrible. But the freedom of doing it, if that's what you're into. Whatever your version of sailing is. Sailing, though. You're not moving that fast. that'd be horrible but the freedom of doing it if that's what you're into whatever your version of sailing

is sailing though you're not moving that fast just going to Europe to Europe why

that's like what people used to have to do and they didn't like it they were wishing there was a better way to do it

when you go to Europe you're coming back from somewhere this is the 70s you could have gone in a fucking jet

flown over there had a nice meal been able to smoke right there on the plane it would have been fine When you go to Europe, you're coming back from somewhere. This is the 70s. He could have gone on a fucking jet. Right. Flown over there, had a nice meal, been able to smoke right there on the plane. It would have been fine. But settling in the Caribbean, too, would be fucking, that'd be balls out. That's it. Yeah. So at night now, he's going to start funding a race team now.

Like, you sold everything, got a sailboat. Where's this money coming from? John Jr. makes a discovery in about 1975 that he goes goes he says he went in the garage to feed the dog that's where the dog food was and found just a tons of weed that's why you went to the caribbean just bales and bales and bales and bales of weed and he's like oh this is what's going that's what dad's doing absolutely so he's been he had been bringing weed back and forth just Just back, not really forth. Right. From the Caribbean into the States, into Louisiana and Florida.

Yep. And funding what he needed to do. That's what dad's doing now. So. Real estate my ass. That's the thing. I got into real estate. Maybe he bought real estate on the beach so that he could just sail his boat right up to that.

That's real estate. If you put a bale of weed on the ground and stand on it, it's sort of real estate. So I call that real estate. He's trying to own that. Ridiculous. That's your land now. Yeah that it's real estate you put a bell of weed on the ground and stand on it's sort of real estate so i call that real estate own that it's ridiculous that's your land now yeah it's real estate you pick it up you take it with you it's always yours wherever you want to be weed the new land it's fucking unreal man so in 1975 he's 15 16 years old here in 75, 76. John Sr. asks John Jr. if he would help him out with the operation. Oh, no. This is where it's like, hey, asshole, that's your kid. Yeah. Protect your kid.

Right. This is worse than Frost at this point. At least Frost wasn't making them commit other crimes. For fuck's sake. So John Jr., they asked him here you know what's the deal with that later on you know how the hell what happened and uh john jr says quote he asked me if i would help him unload about a year after i found the initial stash there uh did i resent that i love my father he's my dad i think he's a very intelligent man and could have done it another

way i resent that in other words he's like he made millions of dollars he knows how to make millions of dollars he didn't have to have his kid help him spread the weed we're not fucking immigrants lots of weed lots of weed this is not this is not like when we did ben craze this is a lot of similarity similarities to the ben kramer randy lanier story here that we did like episode 26 right so uh Murder at the Speed of Smuggling. That's the name of that one. So, it's very much like that, but those guys were like Florida, like rural Florida

white trash. Right. They weren't really like, they weren't Harvard. This is an immigrant that made it big. Some Wall Street man. They weren't Harvard

educated millionaires. And everyone, I don't care where you are in the world listening to this, you've heard of Harvard. Yeah. All the new guys in Sweden. By the way thank you sweden welcome aboard huge numbers huge thank you the whole country found this week you guys have heard of harvard yeah you have you're

like oh yes the harvard i know that's not how you talk at all but oh the harvard the harvard where's the swedish chef i'm trying to think about there's a lot of borgs in this i don't know what the fuck you guys do over there but But we love you to death for listening to us. Anyway, he goes on here. He didn't have to, obviously, import the weed. So the kid's pissed off about that. Don't blame him because we'll hear what happens to him later. At 16 years old, he's asking him to unload.

He's got no choice. Yeah. But at 16, he's already made a criminal out of the kid. No, no, not senior. Junior has no choice. If you're 16 and you live with your dad and your dad's especially if your dad's like this immigrant who went to harvard he's a millionaire he's like a fucking god and he tells you're gonna help me unload weed you'd be like i guess i'm gonna help him that's what i do now you have no choice in

the matter you're you're not old enough to render if that's one of your friends maybe you could be like i don't think so but if it's your dad you're like i guess it's okay that's a family business he told me to shit i mean so anyway he starts the race company here john paul senior called jpl racing inc uh this is in lawrenceville georgia that company starts they moved to lawrenceville georgia a couple years later but that's where the company starts okay everyone's scared of john senior yeah everyone is petrified of him and not just his kid and not just people who work for him everyone that works for him is terrified they all work overtime they don't complain they do whatever he asks he's runs the shit with an iron fist he yells at his kid as much as he yells at anybody his kid has to answer yes sir and all that oh no

no no okay dad none of that shit you're in the in the shop it's you know whatever and john paul jr is you know he's learning about engines he's being their gopher he's just general shop bitch at this point just running around doing anything he can which is just the gopher and anything trying to learn the business because he's very into racing yes what the hell that's what the family business that and weed yeah he was more into racing than weed luckily for him everyone's scared he's abusive to all these people john jr says about him quote my father can be very intimidating and he's so intimidating we'll hear that basically everyone was terrified him there's a race official

these are the people who run the race and whatever in lawrenceville georgia that talked about an incident when john senior walked into their racing office yeah for the you know the officials of lawrenceville racing whatever and hurled a full briefcase across the room so it didn't look where he was going just flung it across the room said it quote if it hit if it had hit his secretary it would have taken their head off jesus then the next quote reckless as fuck what he said about him is great because he said he dealt with him for years and cut to the chase he says and I quote, he's the most terrifying man I have ever met. So that explains

a lot. If some race official says he's the most terrifying man I've ever met that says a lot. He's a grown man. Right. That's a grown man that's governing the body that the man operates on. And all these racers are lunatics back then. They're all maniacs and outlaws and drug smugglers. This guy's willing to kill you like Oddjob.

He'll just walk in. He just has no... He's a lunatic. He's crazy. He was known on the circuit, and this is not a nickname that's given to him in kindness, as, quote, the old pirate. Oh, shit. Because he's on the boat, and he's a crazy person.

And later on that's that nickname is going to come to fruition in such a shitty way such a shitty way but guys he is the pirate well trust me you think this is just a guy who's smuggling some weed and that's going to be what's wrong with him right just a little drug smuggling that that's not that's not worthy of a crime and sports episode. Not even goddamn close. That is just, I mean... And it's going to get into something so deep. If you were going to the Grand Canyon,

it's not just a steep incline. You don't shoot right down it. It's a long... There's a couple of... The road, it looks like it's flat as you're going down. That's what we're doing now. We're walking in it and we're like, oh, this isn't that bad.

And we're about to go, holy shit, we are way down there. You're starting to feel the burn on the front of your thighs. Yeah, this is going to happen here. In 1978, John Jr. graduates from high school, really dives headfirst into the racing team and starts doing everything. Wants to learn about driving also. The father buys him an old Formula Ford to fuck around with and drive and things like that and sends him to Skip Barber Racing School to learn how to drive. All right.

That sounds like they know what they're doing. That's the real racing school that you would send your kid to if you were a lunatic that wanted to teach your kid to be a fucking race car driver. He earns a rating from the teacher of quote hopeless as he goes there which is not fitting and actually he turns into a hell of a driver so that really at school my teacher didn't know shit that teacher didn't know jack shit at the time he had no experience because his dad wouldn't let him drive he just gave him an old car and said go drive that around a parking lot like i did yeah uh 1978 john paul senior our main guy here, he wins the FIA World Endurance Drivers Championship.

He's big on these endurance races. Really? These 24-hour races, the 24 hours of Le Mans, the 24 hours of Daytona. These races he's big in. And he wins his first in 78. How long was it? I think this is a 24-hour race. Okay.

Another 24-hour. And it's him and two other people or whatever. It's his car. It's his deal. And he won. And he's one of the drivers, too. He's all about this shit. He's a bad man.

And this gets him some notoriety, too. Now they're taking notice of him in the racing world as well as... Endurance races are crazy because it beats you to death. Try driving to just pick a state and go there. And then try just doing it straight. And the 24-hour races, too, they talk about it, and they're like, you're up for 24 hours. That's a long time to be up, to be alert and driving. And they were asking Junior later on, do you sleep during that?

And he goes, well, I mean, you can technically, but you can't sleep because you're so concerned with what's going on in the right you can't get out of a race car and have that much adrenaline going just driving 200 miles an hour right and you're gonna go take a nap for a while and not worry about what position you're in or what happened or if you wake up that you could you could have your car could have crashed and the race could be over and you missed the whole thing you set an alarm clock yeah he says you you don't you try but you can't sleep at all and you're just up the whole time it's just all adrenaline which i would imagine but that's all the race is after a while i don't know how even 200 miles an hour be boring after like hour 18 you'd be like this is i'm just gonna fucking i'm gonna jerk it into the wall i can't take it anymore

so at least fire is exciting at this point i don't care anymore uh so january 10th 1979 everything's going well up to now he won his race here the seniors winning the endurance championship junior starting to get into it he's hopeless but he's trying right uh we have an interesting night uh louisiana we're in louisiana on the banks you know in the in the marsh bayou in the marsh uh paul jr and a man named christopher shill who i believe is one of paul jr's friends i think are stopped by customs agents as they're loading equipment onto a pickup truck in the dark on the bank of a canal why would you be doing so that's that's suspicious behavior for especially for just some 19 year old kids hanging out right they're like what are you doing during questioning

the the customs agent smelled weed on the boys, obviously, because... Because they're dealing weed. Because they're dealing weed. Right. They find Paul Sr. on his boat nearby. He's on a 42-foot boat called the Lady Royale. Wow. On the boat, they find remnants of weed and $10,000 in cash.

They're like, where's the weed? They look around. Luckily for them, nearby, there's a rented truck nearby that has 1,565 pounds of weed in it. Oh my god. That is 710 kilograms for our European friends. Wow. Yeah. That's no shit right there. That's a lot of weed

they find. And they got caught with it. They got caught where they found, you know, you're here with the equipment, here's the boat, the truck's right there. You all smell like it, there it is. It doesn't take a genius to put this operation together. It doesn't take a Harvard-educated person to figure that out. No, absolutely not. But none of them have had any records.

This guy's a famous racer. He's got a Harvard diploma. He's got a lot of money. They're like, what are you doing, idiot? Right. Little slap on the wrist. That's it. All three of them later on in the year, they plead guilty to marijuana possession.

So they don't even get them with an insurance. Jesus. They were bringing in 1,500 pounds of weed in the fucking u-haul truck just to smoke i guess to have a party people exaggerate when they say a lot of weed when they say a ton of something this was nearly a ton of weed this is three quarters of a ton of weed yeah this is that's a shitload of truck in the 80s it's that weight that's what we're talking about three quarter ton unbelievable tiny yeah it's it's ridiculous i know that's what it carries but still anyway it's it's ridiculous how much weed this is but they give them that

no problem and john jr says of all this later on he says that basically all he did the whole time was it was his job they'd get to the shore he didn't do the boat shit he said they get to the shore they'd unload a truck and he would take it from the shore and a truck to somewhere safe and drop it off that's all he ever did that was his job he just drove they just needed a guy who was trustworthy enough to drive from here to here and not steal shit and your son is the one to do it your son's the one to do it and i guess after this he says and everybody says i don't know how true it is but i'm pretty sure it's true he says this was it for him he never fucking never near it again told his father he's not doing anything like this again he wants he wants to be he's a good

he wants to be a race car driver he doesn't want to be a drug dealer he doesn't want to be a drug trafficker unfortunately though to have a race team someone's got to traffic something basically so he's gonna make some money around here exactly his father keeps going with what he's doing and gets into worse but uh yeah so all three of them received three years probation and $32,500 fines. So, I mean, slap on the wrist. You can afford it. He can afford the fine.

That's not a big deal. Who cares? I mean, everything's fine. 1980, he's right back out on the track. He wins the FIA Endurance Drivers Championship again. So, I mean, that's his race. He's running Enduros. He's running the Endurance Drivers Championship again. So, I mean, that's his race. He's running Enduros. He's running the Endurance.

Now, May 26th. Okay. This is interesting. I love those. Let's get into this here. Okay. Okay. May 26th, 1980.

He gets married at the racetrack. We'll get into how he found this girl here. So trashy. He gets married at the Lime Rock Park infield, in the infield of the racetrack, at the Coca-Cola 400 race. That is the white trashiest way you could fucking possibly get married ever.

They threw like... We don't get married on the infield at the Coca-Cola 400. That's right. On the logo. Right there on the center buddy you ain't gonna believe it i'm gonna kiss you right on a coca-cola logo they threw rubber flakes at him off the tires oh what a fucking mess oh the girl he marries was so trashy well she's covered in

soot she was originally white trash this broad and she got herself out of white trashdom. She grew up in white trashdom. Yeah. Got out of white trashdom. She's got two names, doesn't she? No, no. Became a stewardess in 1965 for Delta Airlines, which actually in the 60s, if you were a stewardess, that wasn't like now where you're just like a 50-year-old lady that feeds you peanuts.

I know they do more and they have to do all the safety stuff. I get that. But it wasn't just like a grumpy woman who's doing all the TSA checkpoints. It's not that. This was like you had to be attractive and perky. Beautiful, yeah. And a good customer service. It was ridiculous.

Those Pan Am girls are a good definition of what they are. It was silly what they would make. You had to be like some sort of model. It was so stupid. But anyway, she was one of these people. She was a flight attendant from 65 to 80. Wow. She's still a flight attendant at this point when she meets him.

They meet when her husband, Donald, who she'd been married to since the late 60s, was a race fan, took her to the racetrack. Oh, shit. And introduced him, introduced old uh old chalice to uh john paul senior her new husband he says i'll take you for a ride in the car around the track and she said she fell in love right there finger you all the way around by the pussy the fact that he could keep it on the road and wasn't crashing and could do all this cool stuff he was a man and wow she was into it what did donald do do we know donald went home and did nothing because basically went home and left her to her new husband she kept he kept on her after this

meeting he kept trying to get at her and romancing her and eventually she leaves her husband for him and they get married like within two months of this. They get married on the infield. That is so trashy. Fuck it, I don't care. John Jr. was his best man at the wedding, so that's nice here.

This girl too, Shalice Barnett, Shalice Paul. She's like, wait, y'all don't brush y'all's teeth? No. I love this. This sounds great.

This is great. I could live like this. Y'all don't brush your teeth? In the morning even? Now, she claimed they were traveling around, and then they had to go to France shortly after they get married. This was like their honeymoon, even though he was going over to race. It was a work trip.

It was still there in France, together, alone. She says the first night over there, he goes out and just disappears. And she talks to one of his buddies. He just got married, and he's like, listen. It's their honeymoon, basically. And he's like, I got shit to do. Here's some strawberries and some champagne and a warm bath. See you around. He goes out and hangs out with another chick.

What? He goes out and hangs out with another chick, and she knew it was another woman. She's like, what's going on? Talked to one of his buddies there, the race buddies, and this guy tells on him, gives it up right away. What a dickhole. He's with this one chick.

She's a race groupie and she sells some coke on the side too. Oh my God. Small time cocaine deal and race groupie. Sounds like a fun night for old John Paul Sr. Whoever that buddy is

that ratted him out is a dickhole. Well, yeah, but this poor woman. Good God. John Paul's no fucking cupcake, but that's a dick thing to do to your friend.

Ladies out there, if you go to France with your husband and it's basically your honeymoon and he spends the first night with a groupie cocaine dealer snorting coke off her ass, I'm going to give you advice right now and take it. If this has just happened to you in the last 48 hours or so, leave now. It's over. Because shit is going to go bad. Let's find out what happens to Shalise to know exactly how bad.

How funny is that, though? I feel like his buddy was like, she left her husband for this dick, and he's out doing blow with some race groupie. If I tell her how bad this is, maybe she'll leave with me. Oh, yeah. That's the thing. Who knows? By 81, they're completely

getting broken apart here wow they have a huge fight she gets fired from delta airlines when they have a giant fight at the bermuda airport where he freaks out and throws shit and yells and screams in the airport and they basically said we can't use you anymore yeah you're you know bringing in psychopath. Your husband's a lunatic. Please don't come back. You're going to let him go now. So she takes off. He's in Florida still.

She moves to Georgia at this point. She moves to Georgia and rents a condo or something out there. She becomes an aspiring actress. Burt Reynolds filmed a movie there. She got a role as an extra there. She's just trying to stick on and do something. Just floating in the breeze now. They're separated. And now John

comes to visit her in 81, in early 81, and says that, you know, he's sorry that he said he wanted a divorce. Now he wants to get back together. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Says, come to Florida. We'll all have a nice second honeymoon. Me and you. Second honeymoon. Let's do it. The cohort didn't work out?

We're going to start the romance from the beginning. It's going to be beautiful. Let's all do this, right? Sounds good for this girl. She's like, I left my husband for this fucking guy. I'd like to make it work, I'm sure. My life sucks right now. I got fired.

I'm doing extra work. I'm going, ooh, the craft service table looks nice today, and that's the highlight of my day. There's a nice pineapple. I got problems. I got issues here. I'm taking candy home with me from it. That's how sad things are.

So she agrees to do this. My dinner last night was mints. It was mints. She agrees to go. So summer of 81, she goes down there to try to reunite whatever. Rekindle. Rekindle. They're off Key West because he's got rekindle yeah they're off key west

because he's got a big boat that they're hanging out on uh she disappears in the summer of 81 she's gone what gone that's it gone there's no story he says i don't know where she went that's his story because she had a lot to go to his story is is, I don't know. She just went away. I don't know if she left. Maybe she fell off the boat. She took off. I don't fucking know. She found a nice guy in Key West.

Literally, it's like, I don't know. That's his story. And the cops are like, okay, well, what about this? I don't know. And they have nothing to go on. She's not there. He's like, I don't know.

She fucking left. Or maybe she fell in the ocean. I have no idea. I didn't see anything, basically. So they don't know what to do here. she fell in the ocean I have no idea I didn't see anything basically so they don't know what to do here they're like what do we do

there's no real investigation because they don't even know what happened to her there's no body she could have just took off

that's the thing who knows maybe she moved to Monaco for Christ's sake what do we know where the hell this lady went

he just when the family talks to him he just bullies them and he tells them all different stories and bullies them into saying, I don't know where the hell she is.

And they're like, I guess she took off. Wow. Her family was messed up, too. She had a messed up family. A lot of her brothers and sisters had legal problems, shit like that. So her family wasn't real on the ball. And this was some rich guy going, I don't know, she disappeared. And they were like, I guess she disappeared.

He probably gave them $10,000 or something and they shut the fuck up. You know what this is, though? This sounds very similar to every other episode that this predator... He is a silver-haired middle-aged white man. But this predator

preyed on somebody that was weak that had nothing and needed somebody. Well, I mean, she had a marriage but she clearly wasn't happy. No.

She wanted excitement in her life and she was damaged and he saw it and fucking went after her. He got her. And he goes after damaged people more. And wherever she is.

Now, this seems shady, right? Super shady. His wife's gone, new wife. And you'd imagine, like, if he cared, he would look for her, things like that. Rather than doing that, in late 81, early 82, he goes off to Haiti to obtain a quickie divorce in haiti what because he couldn't get one here because he would need her consent because she's not dead yet right so you gotta divorce her so he just goes to haiti and gets a divorce because down there

apparently you don't need to that's good enough a haitian divorce you got anybody down there you don't want to marry you don't want to be married anymore apparently a quick haitian divorce he got. Anybody down there, you don't want to be married anymore. Apparently a quick Haitian divorce will clean that right up. No problem. Yeah, she's still missing. Who even knew that was an option? Him. Yeah.

Rich guys. Yeah. Rich guys with sailboats know that you can go to Haiti to divorce your drowned wife. Just sail to Haiti. Yeah. You can drown your wife and then divorce her in some third world shithole. Perfect before it's destroyed by some natural disaster wry first 1982 he's back on the track i mean this is just just happened he just went got a quickie divorce back on the track his uh

he's got a they put together a porsche 935 oh a turbo now this is is from a model they bought for $200. It was a 1969. He bought for $200 and fixed it up the way he... This is the thing. He makes everything to his specs. Yeah. Nothing is too... It's got to fit him. Well, yeah, because I guess there's an article later on

talking about how great he is, saying how he takes a car that would be 300 grand off the line from Porsche, a factory race car that they built for him, and he makes it for 150, basically, because he does it himself. Okay. And his cars are better than theirs, basically, is what they're saying. So they say how smart he is.

Anyway, they win the 24 Hours of Daytona race, which is a big deal. That's a huge deal in the racing world, in this particular racing world. This is in February of 82. They lead for almost the entire race. Their car is just way better than everybody else's. Wow. Just way better. The winning team receives $30,000 for winning this.

The car costs $225,000 to build. That's why everyone in this sport was importing and smuggling drugs. Yeah. Because you had to. Because it's not profitable, basically. It's just you can't do anything. No sponsors are that dumb either. Hey, let's take it to the neck for 200 grand a race.

Nobody's doing that. To win it. Yeah, in the early 80s. That's if you win. Yeah, in the early 80s. That Porsche 935 is a badass car. It's a badass car. It's a gorgeous one.

I'll tell you where you can get a model of it later on. Or already built. Or one that you can put together yourself all right but they're on online here uh but anyway we have it in their own words on winning the 24 hours of daytona and the way they did it was kind of neat too uh on that in their own words quote we played it cool the car was babied all the way it was never off the road never in any real trouble we were running a low compression motor and i think we could have got another 24 hours it was just handed to us we Wow. I mean, they ran this race, and they ran it so well that they ended up winning by 11 laps. What?

It was a record, and I'll tell you in a second that they could have won it by way more, and I'll tell you why they didn't. Just not even close. It's ridiculous. In this race, in the final half hour of the race, John Paul Sr. hops into the driver's seat to finish it off, because it was him. John Paul Jr. is also racing with him. They become the first father-son team to win this race,

and there's one other guy that doesn't. He's a nobody racer. I'll hook him up. Doesn't matter. His name, fuck him. one other guy that doesn't he's a nobody racer i'll come up doesn't matter his name fuck him so anyway uh he gets in a half hour because he wants to be at the end of the race he wants to be in the driver's seat john paul senior and in their own words on that he says uh also too that he almost crashed this is another thing too a guy he came really close to crashing into the wall

somebody was trying to run him into the wall basically in the end there somebody was just guess, pissed and trying to take a cheap shot. So we have an in their own words on this, which is hilarious. The most ironic thing. It's so funny because you're like, oh really? But in their own words, quote, I had nowhere to go. This guy just kept moving me up and forcing me into the wall. I was fortunate to get away unscathed. It could have been worse, a lot worse. Can you believe somebody would do that to have so little respect for the lives of drivers and for the sport? Oh, my God. He's taken aback.

Take that shit and take it aback your ass. You've got to be kidding me. Hey, where's your wife, sir? Yeah, excuse me. Where's that wife that you just married six months ago, a year ago? Where's she at? Why don't you care about her

in the ocean in Key West somewhere you got no respect for her no shit now they could have won by more than

11 laps but they were so far ahead that they stopped to wash the car and put fresh what the fuck to wash the car

and put fresh decals on it so it would look nice for the cameras at the finish line can you imagine that's how far ahead they were they were like just wash it re-decal it would look nice for the cameras at the finish line. Can you imagine? That's how far ahead they were. They were like, just wash it, re-decal it,

just do the whole thing, I don't know. Just make it look pretty. Can you imagine somebody doing that in NASCAR? Yeah. Hanging out on the side. And I picture him too, John Sr. smoking a cigarette, waiting for him, he's almost done with his accent. He's got his boy over there detailing the tires.

Shane Smoke picking up butts off the ground and smoking them, trading them for somebody's He's got his boy over there detailing the tire. Chain smoke, picking up butts off the ground and smoking them, trading them for somebody's half-eaten hot dog up in the stand. Dealer, our junior's son.

Sorry, I have it. I must trade cigarettes for food scrap. If you don't smoke, you don't understand. I don't know. Half of Winston for half of hot dog?

So, yeah, this is, anyway, so he takes over last part of the race and finishes it up and becomes the hero we have an in their own words on that yeah in their own words quote i wanted to be the hero at the end my son is going to get a chance to win a whole lot more races i wanted to be there at the end on this one all right he's like i want to you know this might be my last shot of glory i'm getting older you know we'll let my kid he'll use fine later on so they by 1982

Paul Jr. and Sr. had the longest winning streak in the history of the Camel GT series at five consecutive races Camel sponsored

by cigarettes? I'm pretty sure Winston it was all cigarette companies back then so he was happy with that he might have got

three cigarettes he didn't have to pick them up it's just interesting the time difference between now and then there's no fucking way they'd let Marlboro

sponsor something now. It was the Winston Cup until five years ago. Yeah, it sure was. You're right. It was the Winston Cup until five years ago. Now it's the Nextel Cup, right?

It was the Nextel. I think it was six, seven years ago, maybe 2010. So I mean, that was ingrained in that culture. That's so crazy.

I didn't even realize that. Well, I mean, Moonshine can't sponsor anything. Yeah, no doubt. They needed some sort of something. They had Skull, I know. Yes.

You know. That was the car that Don Perdomo drove. And he was a drag racer. He drove the Skull car, too. That is way too much redneckery for this episode. We'll end it right there.

So right after this race, there is articles coming out left and right where he is the king of the world here. I mean, no, he did also, they just ignored

the fact that he also got busted importing a shitload of weed. That's just brushed under as a possession of marijuana. Nobody ever mentions it. In all these articles in the early 80s, no one ever says

who got busted for importing a shitload of weed two years ago. Shitload. Almost a ton. Never comes up. These reporters do not do their homework at all.

That has a missing wife. That's the other thing. Where's your fucking wife? Listen to this article. And they're just celebrating him. This is February 82. This is like six months after his wife went mysteriously missing and he has no answers for it. And he went to Haiti to get a quick divorce.

A quick Haitian divorce, okay? Article in the St. Petersburg Times. St. Petersburg Falls. It's a legitimate paper. haitian quickie haitian divorce okay article in the saint petersburg time saint petersburg falls it's a legitimate paper if the article is called quote a winning creed on and off the track holy shit do your fucking homework where's your wife asshole i'm so mad at journalists i'm so fucking mad at them because i okay you ever watch the wire you don't watch the wire a lot of people out there watch the wire in the fifth season there a big story, a big storyline of one of the reporters, like, fluffs up

people's quotes and makes shit up and tries to make stories better so he could win a fucking Pulitzer. Okay? I don't know what it is. They're trying to write these big redemption pieces, and it's... Do your homework. Yeah. Because guess what? I'm not a journalist, and I find this shit easy. I get that I have Google, but you guys

had whatever the equivalent to that was, and you're a goddamn reporter. Talk to another fucking reporter. Go, you know anything about this guy? Does he have a dead wife or a drug trafficking arrest? How about St. Petersburg is on the west side of Florida. It's up near Tampa, near Clearwater area. Right around that bend is a little place called Louisiana,

where he was arrested for 1,500 pounds of weed. Just figure it out. He's a famous guy. I'm sure that was in a newspaper somewhere in an archive. You could have found it like I did.

Unbelievable. Anyway, the article's about how successful he is and how he puts the cars together at a lower cost. He's a genius, this guy. Just a brilliant man. Yeah.

So, 1982. With numbers, though. With numbers yeah and when you look at numbers the numbers don't fucking add up no the the championship money versus what it costs to be champion doesn't fucking equate oh by the way guys uh we've had so far he's smuggled a bunch of weed he's probably killed his wife more than likely killed his wife um so you know he's gotten his teenage son into drug trafficking with him not a great man not even close not even he hasn't even he's hasn't even dipped his toe in the water literally he he put his finger in his mouth and held it up to see which way the wind was blowing where the crime was coming that's it that's all he's done

that's it he's not even dipped his finger in the crime pool yet which way the crime wind's blowing I am telling you man so 1982

early 82 he marries another woman what the fuck I can't get enough nope he marries a woman named Hope

who's the sister of another racer named Hurley Haywood alright so that's his sister he needed a quickie Haitian divorce so he could marry

this broad they have a daughter immediately in 1982. I think another. She's getting big. You better marry her. He has his... She's getting big.

He's got his 50 sensibility. Hey, I'll traffic drugs. I'll kill a broad. But if I knock one up, I'll fucking marry her. I'll marry her. I will marry her. They have a daughter

named Adrienne at that point, which is funny because that's when Rocky was really big. It's like Rocky 2 was out back then. You named your kid Adrian. I feel like he liked Rocky a lot too. He's like, he make it big.

Why did I make him short of it? Never mind. What an ugly name. I hate that name. April 19th, 1983. Wow. Okay, Jimmy. Here's when he really goes off the deep end and it gets worse from here, but this is the beginning of the craziness. Okay, April 19th, 1983. A man named Stephen Carson, who is a federal witness in an ongoing racketeering and conspiracy drug case, is shot in Crescent Beach, Florida.

It's late at night. He comes in from a fishing trip, a midnight fishing trip with a friend. He gets off. He's on the boat dock. And from what he says, our Mr. John Paul Sr. here accosts him, comes up to him with a gun

and tells him to get in the trunk of his car. Oh my God. He's trying to put him in a trunk. So if this crazy son of a bitch is telling you to get in the trunk, you don't get in the God. He's trying to put him in a trunk. So if this crazy son of a bitch is telling you to get in the trunk, you don't get in the fucking trunk. No. Okay, the most terrifying man I've ever met.

You don't get in his trunk. No. So he runs. Good for him. He takes off. But there's five shots fired at him. He's hit twice and falls down. And then Mr. Paul Sr. here comes up and gives him a third shot while he's down.

So he came up for the fucking kill shot. He's trying to get his job done. He's cold-blooded. He does this, and I guess he thinks he killed him. He takes off. It turns out that he did not kill him. Mr. Carson here, Stephen Carson, is a tough son of a bitch. He loses a kidney.

He has all sorts of problems and a million surgeries i mean he got shot three times yeah pretty good like a point blank yeah point blank and he lost a kidney like i said he's a mess this guy so he's got problems uh so he says fucking john paul shot me i know who shot me john paul did so the authorities look for him so he is nowhere to be found for two months basically since this shooting, he takes off. He's gone. Nobody sees him or his wife. That's a good indicator that he did it.

That's a good indicator that he did it, exactly. He likes to run, this guy. He's done it several times. He's going to do it several more. And he's got endurance. Yes. Finally, June 28, 1983, he turns himself into authorities in St. Augustine, Florida for attempted first-degree murder.

Jesus. That's rough because it's a federal witness.'s a to shut a fucking witness up yeah that's steep the witness had given grand jury testimony on drug trafficking in north florida which is the we're going to get to why that's hilarious in a second the way he turned himself into is funny he was at his lawyer's office davis up church which sounds like a very silver-haired middle yeah no doubt i called from there and was like, you know, I'm here, and I'll go turn myself in. He goes to the seat. They take him to St. John's County Jail.

He pleads not guilty to first-degree murder. Okay, he's being held on a $500,000 bond, which is pretty serious. We'll get to why he's such an idiot in a minute about the testimony at the grand jury, but that's coming up in a second. Paul Sr. here claims that, I don't know what the hell you're talking about here about this thing. I didn't shoot him.

I couldn't have shot him. I was in Miami at the Coconut Grove Hotel having dinner with two of my friends when the shooting took place. I was hanging out there drinking, having a bite to eat at midnight in Miami. Enjoying South Beach. Enjoying my money. I don't know what the hell you're talking about here. They don't buy that, obviously.

The next day, once they capture him, Stephen Carson, the shot man, the witness, files a civil lawsuit against him, too. Oh, shit. Oh, yeah. He details the shooting in the lawsuit, tells him exactly what happened. Says he returned from the midnight trip,

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. This whole thing is hilarious, first of all. Okay all okay now i need to take a sidebar here on this article in june 29th that i found in the newspaper about him filing the civil law so i need to take a sidebar because this every once in a while i see one of these things in these old newspapers it really catches my eye and this caught my eye an ad for two liter bottles of pepsi diet pepsi pepsi free pepsi light whatever the fuck that is they already have diet pepsi and mountain dew oh no crystal pepsi two liter bottles this is 83 yeah crystal pepsi is like 93 two liter bottles are a dollar 19 a piece that's what they cost now yeah that's what they now. That's the equivalent in 83 of $2.86.

That would be a two liter soda being $2.86, which is soda prices have gone nowhere. Nowhere. Nowhere. On sale, you can get them at 99 cents. Yes, that's what I mean. But cigarettes, there's an ad for cigarettes in this thing. Can I guess? Guess what they are. I'm going to go with 89 cents.

Three packs for $2.89. Oh, my God. Three packs for $ for two how the fuck is soda gun down so much yeah cigarettes have gone through they're both equally bad for you the other thing i saw that just looked terrible was for 75 cents you can get a frozen what's called a poquito burrito it has on the package it says quote the barbecue sauce burrito gross which just sounds like some disgusting white trash shit right there that I don't want to That sounds like three things that the same person buys, though. Absolutely.

You will buy the poquito burrito, three packs of cigarettes, and a two liter of Mountain Dew. And a two, yeah, it's all on sale. And you will consume them in an afternoon. For less than five dollars. Yeah. For less than five dollars you can get all those things. Try that now.

You walk in with a five, you're walking out. You can't get a poquito burrito for five bucks now. The poquito burrito is going to cost you, God damn it. So July 8th, 1983, John Sr. here,

he posts bond and gets out of jail. They give him bail. He posts a 50 grand. Well, he ends up posting a $250,000 bond, because it's a 500K bond they want, $250,000 bond, $25,000 cash,

and the remainder in a promissory note tied to his assets if he doesn't appear. Oh, shit. So they're not fucking around. They're like, we want you to show up. Well, it's first degree murder. It's of a federal witness. Right.

So they're like, we really want you to show up here. You know what I mean? Love to have a chat with you. Love to keep you around for later. While this is going on, July 17th, 1983, Paul Jr. is doing well on the racing circuit. Really? He wins the Michigan 500.

Wow. Misses some open wheel shit here because the guys, and I don't know shit about racing, and I know who these people are. That's how famous the second and third place are. Second place is Al Unzer. What? And third place is Mario Andretti. And he beat both of them? He beat both of them and wins the race.

Wow. So he's an up-and-comer. And they all have really nice things to say about him, too. They go, he's a real nice kid and good racer, and he's going to be good shit. Al Unser was the shit. Absolutely. It's his first IndyCar win here. His dream is to win Indy 500, obviously, just like Randy Lanier wanted to do.

Paul Jr. here has a quote he said about winning this race. He says, quote, I've had a pretty dramatic career already. I never expected to be running competitive yet. I figured it would take maybe two or three years in this kind of racing. But you've got to give my crew a lot of credit. He's a real nice guy. I like how he notes that. I've had a dramatic career.

I've already had a drug bust. Yeah, yeah. So I'm trying to keep my shit together and be cool. You know what I mean? And I just beat Mario Andretti and Al Unser. And Al Unser. Yeah, yeah. So I'm trying to keep my shit together and be cool. You know what I mean? And I just beat Mario Andretti and Al Unser. And Al Unser.

Both. So September 16th, 1983, Stephen Carson, the shot federal witness from earlier here who was shot on the boat ramp, he testifies

in a deposition and he says that he was involved with Paul Sr. with some smuggling in the mid-70s but that in this grand jury, Carson never mentioned Paul Sr.'s fucking smuggling in the mid-70s, but that in this grand jury,

Carson never mentioned Paul Sr.'s fucking name. Oh, so Paul got word that this fucker was talking to the cops. And he thought he was talking about him. He said, I never talked about him, and this is in a deposition with the cops who have access to what he said. He is a scary man. He didn't say anything about him. He's the most terrifying man ever.

Shot him for nothing, and let's see why he didn't mention his name. Old Stephen Carson a quote from him. He says, quote, I didn't mention John Paul's name at all because I was afraid that that man might kill me if I did mention his name. I had spoken to my attorney a year or two ago and I told him that if anything ever happened to me John Paul would have probably been the man that had done it.

So everyone's scared of this guy. Scared for their life around him. Even the federal witness is a guy that's already under protection for the government doesn't matter doesn't matter about it nope he has no fucking interest here so at this point articles appear december 13th 1983 he's got to come back for court here on the 12th so by the 13th there's articles out saying that paul senior did not show up for his December 12th court date. He blows it off with a $500,000 bond.

Judge Richard Weinberg revokes his bond, his $500,000 bond, and issues a warrant for his arrest. Dismisses potential jurors. Says, fuck this. This isn't happening. He didn't show up. Now he's fucking coming in. His attorney, Paul Sr.'s attorney, Ed Garland, who you could see his silver hair from space. show up now he's he's fucking coming in um his attorney paul senior's attorney ed garland who's you could see his silver hair from space ed garland the attorney to paul fucking sounds like

a guy that wears a bolo tie oh god probably he said quote he has not arrived and he had full notice that the case was on this morning so he can't protect him here because he has to say i told him to show up because that's my ass with the bar. I have to act like I was a lawyer and did the right things. He's on his own. Detective Neil Perry of the St. John's County Sheriff Department said, we don't know where to look for him. They have no clue where to look for him. Try the racetrack.

No, we'll find out where he hid out for a little while, and then he went somewhere much more fun. But we'll find out where he hid out for just a little while because it's hilarious. But that's coming up in a little while when they start to do this. Now, when he leaves here, the most money ever, because a $500,000 bond was forfeited, and this is tied to, they're getting $500,000 back here. The largest bond that was ever forfeited in the history of the county previously was $30,000. So they took a trailer back from somebody. Yeah, this is...

And this is going to be a big fucking undertaking. This is windfall here for them. December 14th, 1983... The county's getting a new courthouse. Yeah, no shit. Now, the next day, since now he's on the lam, they don't know where he is. He could be anywhere.

They start saying, the authorities come out and say, Stephen Carson, the victim of the shooting here, his testimony is going to be videotaped in this trial, in the attempted murder trial, quote, in case he becomes unavailable. They already know. He's a dangerous motherfucker. He's in danger. Dude's out there.

Anything could happen. Now, Assistant State Attorney Steve Alexander said, quote, since John Paul allegedly tried to terminate him one time, there is that possibility. Terminate him. So we should probably get his shit on tape i love that they used that word yeah carson's gonna testify on tape later in the week they're gonna get it locked down right now they said that will count just as if he did it in front of a jerry same thing now march 8th 1984 john paul senior this is three months later john pas wife, Hope, is charged with perjury and witness tampering. Oh, shit.

They're bringing her in now, trying to draw him out. Yeah. They're arresting her. She still refuses to give the whereabouts of her husband. She's being held on $500,000 bond. So they're holding her the same as they're holding him. Yeah. The allegations are that she asked Robert Hamill, a friend of theirs,

to lie for John Sr. to the cops about where he was the night of the shooting. Basically, he's one of the Coconut Grove Hotel friends in Miami. So that goes on for a few months. They keep her until July 27th. So she's held for a while. They finally are like, fuck it, he's not coming out. Well, it's not up to them. It's up to a judge.

Hope Paul here is cleared of perjury and witness tampering charges. The charges are dismissed by Judge Richard Watson, citing insufficient evidence to present to the six-person panel about it. Yeah. They just don't have evidence that she did it. The guy said she didn't tell me to lie. She said I didn't tell him to lie. What are they going to do? Their word versus hers. Yeah, and they don't have any proof of anything.

There's no videotape. There's no audio tape. So now October 17, 1984, Paul Sr senior hasn't been seen in a while now he's on the fucking lamb for you know what's a few months now how does he do it uh he's indicted on 17 counts of money laundering oh shit yeah u.s attorney jim fagan said he was laundering profits from drug trafficking obviously um now there's an ad in this article another advertisement that i had a problem with here in this article. It's an advertisement for a place called Lloyd's Video Warehouse in 1984 where you could get a Magnavox VCR.

All right. And this is, I mean, you know, you get like 30 of these. You could build a house. They were enormous, these fucking things, for $349. Holy shit. Were they that much money? They were that much. And that's 1984 money. My goodness. Were they that much money? And that's 1984 money.

My goodness. That's how much those are. It's like imagine you go to get a DVD player and it's $800. Holy shit. I guess I'm not going to watch Titanic. And it was on sale for $80 off. Wow. So it's normally a $430 item, this Magnavox VCR.

Yeah, I had to get that. Magnavox was rolling it in. And Lloyd's Video Warehouse was advertising this like it was the shit. Like they had something to offer. Some hi-fi. So January 11th, 1985, John Paul Sr., still missing, is arrested. Where do you think he got arrested, Jimmy? I'm going to guess Mexico.

Mexico. Well, you figure maybe like... Jamaica. Bermuda. Some backwoods maybe. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's in like, you know... In a bunker somewhere. No, he Oh, yeah, yeah. He's in like, you know... In a bunker somewhere.

No, he's in Geneva, Switzerland. He goes... How the fuck did he get there? He goes hard when he goes. He doesn't mess around. When he runs, he runs. He's arrested there. They have an extradition warrant

here obviously for him. He's also going to face charges in Switzerland of bank fraud. That's how they arrested him there because he did something stupid. I hope he was wearing, like, lederhosen or some shit, some weird fucking...

I hope so. Some traditional garb. January... Wooden clogs and shit. Jesus Christ. Yeah, that's Holland, all right. January 16th, 1985, he's indicted in Jacksonville, Florida now.

They're still indicting him. He's still overseas. They're indicting him, because now they know where he is. Yeah. So they indict him more on racketeering charges they indict five other men

with him including a man named David J. Casorla who comes up later and also Paul Jr. is named in this indictment

oh no charges of the drug smuggling operation I feel so bad for Paul Jr. he's doing great for himself and he's back

in his shit you just beat Al Bouncer you just beat Mario Andretti and now you're fucking rocked up on charges they say they smuggled in at least 200 000 pounds of marijuana yeah and from columbia into louisiana and florida yeah over the years and that's probably what they did probably did way more than that yeah they claim over 200 000 pounds from 75 to 1981 1981, which is way more than that, I would assume, if you're doing that. I think I caught one night with 1,500. That's what I mean.

It's pretty easy in five years to get it. The next day, an article comes out about what the cops discovered on an old property that he had and where he was hiding out before he went to Switzerland. January 17th here comes out. A large underground cavern is discovered. He's got a bunker. In Corinth, an Atlanta suburb. It is on a farm that he bought. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation were suspicious starting in March 1983

when a Netherlands corporation, a Netherlands-based corporation, bought the 600-acre property. That's where the bank fraud comes in. No, no, no. That's something different in Switzerland. Really? We'll get to that. Basically, you'd go in through the barn, and there was a trap door, and you'd go down a shaft.

Wow. You'd climb down, and there was a 25-foot tunnel underground leading to a 200-foot by 40-foot room. That's a big room. 200 feet is a big fucking room. Is that 8,000 square feet? It's a big room. 200 feet's a big fucking room. Is that 8,000 square feet? It's a big room. That's 8,000 square feet. It's a big room.

I don't know how square footage is measured, but it's more than 800. It's got to be. 40 times 200. Yeah. That's huge. That's a big room. Yeah.

It's a grow operation. Yeah. They find $40,000 worth of grow lights to grow marijuana. They find a $40,000 generator to provide power to the grow lights. There's an unnamed source that says they knew about this whole thing. Who is he, El Chapo? He had tanks of diesel.

They had full giant gas tanks under there, under the cavern, for the generators. It's insane. They were buried under that. The cave was supported by steel eye beams and then it had sheet metal and plastic it was legit buried and everybody said like once grass grew over you'd never know you were walking on anything wow you have no idea it was just they buried it cost an extra estimated 350 000 to build it wow yeah they said that paul and co-defendant christopher shill who if you remember was the fella who got busted with taking the equipment on,

putting it on the pickup truck with Junior there in Louisiana on the bayou. They found it because the property was foreclosed on once he went on the lam and then it was bought again by the original owner and there was some...

And the owner went into the barn and was like, what's down here? What's down here? And then, wow, holy shit. Smells like weed in here. Yeah, so basically they think, they have evidence that he was living down there for a. Holy shit. Smells like weed in here. Yeah. So basically they, they think they're, they have evidence that he was living down there for a while.

He just went and hid in the cavern and then he takes off to Switzerland. What evidence? Yeah. They, they estimated he could grow a $4 million worth of weed a year in there. And that's 1985 weed. Holy shit. $4 million worth of weed in 85 is a lot of fucking weed.

He can grow that underground. That's crazy. He can grow that underground. He had the whole thing. Nothing was growing at the time of the discovery they think it had been abandoned since like january 84 basically when it was foreclosed on uh you know where he hit out down there now june 17th 85 charles evers this is interesting one of the guys who was indicted in that recent one with paul jr with john Jr., is caught on a sailboat. He's a wanted man

because he was indicted. Coast Guard officers intercept his boat between Haiti and Cuba. So he's out there just sailing like fucking, you know, like a pirate.

He's Jack Sparrow out there and they're picking him up. No, no, no, not so fast, asshole. Get back here. What do you think you're doing? So August 1985, John Paul Jr. here pleads guilty to racketeering charges and possessing a false passport.

This is in the indictment that John Sr. was named in and all that. So he gets that. His sentencing is going to come later, but he pleads guilty to that to get a low sentence. He's trying to knock at jail time for this because he's turned his life around. He hasn't touched weed. He's been good for five years. And he really has been good for five and he really has been good for five years he's been good uh so november 20th 1985 the swiss government orders the extradition of john paul senior to the u.s for the federal drug charges and the murder charges also um attempted murder uh they're going to be a slight delay in getting him over here because there's also the fraud charges filed against him in Switzerland.

A federal prosecutor said, I understand he faces some type of bank fraud charges in Switzerland, so we're going to have to wait for him, which is amazing. January 15, 1986. John Paul Sr. is found guilty in Switzerland of possessing a false passport. He's sentenced to six months in jail. That gives him plenty of time to rock him up here now. Well, he's acquitted of fraud in connection. Basically, he purchased 2,331 South African gold coins and then deposited them in a Swiss bank

using a false passport. That's where the fraud is. He didn't do anything fraudulent with the money part, just the passport. It's just who the fuck he is. He's sentenced sentenced to six months but since he's been in custody forever for 10 months or something he's been in custody they basically he goes to jail for 10 days and it's time served and they kick his ass back to here his lawyer is promising still to still to try to fight the extradition charge the ext extradition warrant. He's saying that he's taking it to, he filed an appeal with the Swiss Federal Tribunal,

which from what I understand is the equivalent of their Supreme Court. They oversee all the watches and chocolate in the land and they make sure it's off. Watches and chocolate. They just make sure all the chocolate is nice and sweet and the watches run perfectly. That's their job.

I don't know what else happens in Switzerland as long as they are crisp and tick all of the snow globes come out nicely and have a mountain in the middle so June 29th

1986 Paul Sr. is that also where Ikea is from? Sweden Sweden oh Sweden they're Sweden

I thought they were Switzerland it might be Switzerland I don't fucking know I hate furniture I'll google keep going so Paul Sr.

March 29th I hate furniture I hate that fucking furniture oh okay I thought you said i hate i want to put it together so march 29th 86 paul senior has returned to the u.s to face his attempted murder federal drug charges he's flown into jacksonville international airport they'll you know that's some highfalutin shit hey look it's jacksonville international. Jacksonville shouldn't have an international. No. He's under heavy security when he returns. I think you have to say, legally you have to say it with an accent.

It's not Jacksonville. There's no Jacksonville. It's Jacksonville. Ugh, no, thank you. Jacksonville. It's no offense to the southern accent, but I can't. That is the most hillbilly fucking place.

My dad's from there. That's why I get that. Perfect, so you know these things. You know how they operate. Everything's covered in fucking gator. Go on. St. John's County Sheriff Neil Perry says, we consider him to be a dangerous individual,

a high escape risk, and also could easily be the target of some people who do not want him to testify against them. So these under heavy security. It's about to get great. Yeah. May 7th, 1986 is sentencing day for John Paul Jr. Oh, no.

He receives five years in federal prison. Ouch. That is brutal, man. Part of the agreement, though, he does not, this is where they got him. How old is he at this point? He was 26. Oh, my God. He could have gotten slightly less time, I feel like, here, but part of the agreement is he does not have to testify against his father if there's a trial. That's nice.

So that's, I think, that was part of what he wanted, was not to have to testify. So Judge Susan Black denied a request to delay sentencing on Junior. He wanted to delay sentencing until after May 25th, which is three weeks from then, so he could race in the Indianapolis 500. And Susan Black said, go fuck yourself. You're going to prison instead. He also receives five years probation on top of that for when he gets out. He'd been, you know, he'd been doing anti-drug work with kids.

He was basically trying to inoculate himself against this from the time it happened. Right. He turned, he went straight to making speeches to kids. Just preemptive attack on, yeah yeah he starts making speeches to the kids yeah just making it i'm fixing his character yeah he's doing it that way he can go to the judge and say for the last two years actually i've been doing this and this and this and my heart's completely turned around i'm doing it that's what he said and he did too said he had an 18 month old daughter he's you know he's trying to have a new life i marry michael andretti who's the next generation of andretti said about him quote it's a shame a

real shame he's a nice guy and was he was just going along with that he was just going along with his father he was awfully young when all that happened yeah he's basically saying he was he was like 18 years old and he was under his father's control what the fuck he's doing what he was raised his father told him to help him right he said hey you want fuck do you want out of this kid? He's just doing what he was raised to. What do you want out of him? His father told him to help him. He said, hey, you want to race? You want to have all this shit and a nice house? This is how we make the money for that. This is how we do it.

I'm smart. I went to Harvard. Get in the fucking boat. Drive the pickup truck. Get in the fucking boat. So May 20th, 1986, John Sr. rejects a plea deal for the attempted murder of Stephen Carson. They try to do the plea deal with him. He says no.

Trial's set to begin June 9th. So June 4th comes up, and he pleads guilty now to attempted first-degree murder in St. Augustine here. This is a state charge. He still faces the federal charge of running a continuing criminal enterprise. Agreement is for no more than 20 years on this charge. Any sentence from the federal charge is to run concurrent with this sentence. Okay.

So that's his deal. He's trying to get out of it. Assistant State Attorney Stephen Alexander, again, said St. Johns County will get $517,000, which is $17,000 in interest plus the 500 grand they owe him. Wow. U.S. Justice Department confiscated $175,000 cash on him when they arrested him overseas. So they're going to give that to the county to start his restitution. And yeah, he could have faced life for the Carson case, attempted first degree murder of a witness.

So he got 20. So he's going to get 20. That's what they, whatever. So state agrees to drop the attempted kidnapping, use of a firearm after conviction of a felony because of the weed thing, and failure to appear for trial. They drop all that. The prosecutor says, quote,

he has bigger and better things waiting for him in Jacksonville. Talking about a federal criminal conspiracy trial. Yeah, no doubt. Rico shit. Paul's attorney, Ed Garland is back again he's a silver-haired middle-aged attorney here says speaking through his bowl of time this is the ultimate no shit quote here quote he's desirous of disposing of these problems and paying the price for his conduct we feel it is a severe punishment but he it is his expressed desire

to get his problems behind him he just wants to get behind all this attempted murder stuff he's good now so richard weinberg is he delented that is the judge he sent delays sentencing until after the federal charge comes yeah because he wants to figure out how that works uh january 21st 1987 john paul senior pleads innocent to 10 federal racketeering and conspiracy charges this is the the federal thing here that's officially coming out. And he's pleading not guilty to that. He's pleading not guilty. Well, for leverage.

For now, right. March 3, 1987, he agrees to a plea deal on the federal drug charge. No deal details yet. They hadn't really struck one. He just said, I'll plea to something. Yeah. Now, he does this, this I think to buy some time because he does

one of the stupidest things ever on March 10th 1987 this is stupid this is a Harvard graduate I love how excited

you are about how dumb he is this is a Harvard graduate this is a man who should fucking know better than most of this shit

right especially what he's going to do here alright this is where after this hold on we'll see what's going to happen because this is how dumb This is where, after this, hold on, we'll see what's going to happen

because this is how dumb this is. March 10th, 1987 at the Baker County Jail, 9.40 a.m., Paul and another inmate, a guy named Gary Wayne Fowler, sounds like a redneck child molester. You don't hang out with that guy.

They try to escape. Oh, God. What they do is they make a mixture of hot sauce, black pepper, pine salt, and hot water and put it in a shampoo bottle and spray it at a guard and his face.

And then they make a break for the fence. There's a 12-foot fence. As they're climbing it, the guard fucks a couple of shots off to scare them, and they surrender. Later on, yeah, they surrender like, oh, never mind, never mind. Later on. We were just kidding. We was just fooling about. Sorry, our bad.

How are your eyes? I'm good now, really. So authorities also find a stolen truck with the keys in the ignition right outside the fence where they were climbing, so they had outside help in this. Yeah. He's got money. He just didn't count on the guard being armed.

He didn't count on the guard. I guess he thought it was going to be like sulfuric acid. His face would melt off. It's fucking hot pepper. It's going to go, oh, that stings. Hey, come back. Hey, you bastard. That's it.

So U.S. Attorney Tom Morris said, if it is indeed a legitimate escape attempt, it will change or eliminate any offer the government might make. We ordinarily prosecute escapes. Yeah. No shit, right? So March 10th 1987 same day here paul's attorney janice singer said oh no like it's fine he said oh no these things

things are still being negotiated and hopefully in a few weeks everything will be worked out like this is this didn't even happen don't she said she's confident the the authorities are mistaken about the whole thing fine he's fine yeah so this idiot at this point when he went back in his cell i mean where what else could have happened i wanted him to like be a little hungry and go into the cafeteria and have the guy turn around and it'd be the shawarma man and have him say how is it you have arrived to be here huh why are you here what's wrong why you come here you go you go get college from fancy place you gave you a degree you have fancy car you have silk robe you walk around house feel on your sailboat you have sailboat you have silk rope

you feel on your balls when you walk you You understand in your house, there's so much everything. Signs say closed, you come. Why you come here, huh? You know the difference between starboard and portside. Why you come? Huh? You want schwarmer? I make for you. That's why you're here. Signs say closed. Signs say closed. You should know. You know how to read. You go to college. Very fancy.

Holy fucking shit. You dumb fuck. Somebody need to go, hey, dumb fuck. Not only have you ruined your life, now you're hilarious. Fowler should have said to him, dude, shampoo and hot sauce isn't going to do it. For real, dude? This is how low you've got. I thought you were a genius. I thought you were a genius.

What happened? What happened, bro? Seriously. Honestly. The shampoo is going to moisturize his face. So April 24th, 1987, a federal judge is sick and tired of this bullshit of him not reaching a plea agreement. Basically going back and forth. And he says, we're having a trial May 13th.

Nice! If you don't have a plea agreement by then, that's what's going to happen. So May 3rd, they come up with something after two months of negotiating. That'll hasten it. That hastened it. Yeah, that was good. He pleads guilty to operating a continuing criminal conspiracy, tax evasion, and conspiracy to obtain a false passport. Faces a maximum of 25 years plus $120,000 in fines.

Also, forfeiture of his yacht, Mercedes, and, of course, the money he had when they got him, $175,000. So he's paying that shit back. Yeah. The criminal conspiracy charge could carry a life sentence in prison without the deal so it was smart to to plea probably that's deep prosecutors are recommending 15 years without parole for that charge alone and then whatever from the other uh the tax evasion comes from 1979 when the government claims he made over a million dollars but only claimed 67 000 they didn't want to fucking stop they want to get him until he can't get out they have a couple in their own words on this which are great august 8th 1987 is the sentencing

for him now now he is repeatedly asking for leniency based on the he's saying the government's claims are bullshit but if you make a deal you're you're kind of saying i don't want to go to trial and argue their case you're at their mercy so he here, in their own words, what he says in open court, which is great. We've never had a criminal, in their own words, an athlete, start out with this sentence ever. There's three words that none of them have ever used, I think, in this first sentence. Quote, in their own words,

it's principally a matter of volume. You just can't get 80,000 pounds on a 70-foot boat. So we've never had a guy say, it's principally a matter of volume. You just can't get 80,000 pounds on a 70-foot boat. So, we've never had a guy say, it's principally a matter of volume. That is never a sentence. That's a Harvard statement. Principally a matter of volume. Then he's

begging for leniency. There's also letters of support from his children. Blah, blah, blah. He says, in their own words, to the judge, quote, for the last two and a half years, I've had a lot of time to think and to reflect on the mistakes I've made. I am hopeful I can still make a contribution to my family and to society. All right. I'm good now. You have a dead wife. I'm good now. Where the fuck is she? I'm good now. Where is she? Where the fuck is she?

He's given 15 years with no parole for the criminal enterprise charge, plus $100,000 fine. Also, five years each for the counts of tax evasion and false passport for a grand total of 25 years. $100,000 fine. You, sir, may fuck off. No doubt. Wow. And that's to run concurrent with the 20 before. Yeah.

So they just gave him another five. You're going to jail for a little while. Yeah. This isn't any fucking five year. You'll be out soon gave him another five. You're going to jail for a little while. Yeah. This isn't any fucking five year you'll be out soon type of shit. And no parole.

No parole. You're doing the 25. He's not doing the 25. It's 15 with no parole but there's also Oh okay I got you. I got you. So 15 and then

10 years parole can be happening. Yeah. So basically and also too at this point the attorney is still trying to work out a deal

for the attempt to escape. They're still trying to Oh Jesus. Like come on let's just ball this up. Can we just wash that too at this point the attorney is still trying to work out a deal for the attempt to escape they're still trying to oh jesus like come on let's just ball this up can we just wash that at this point jesus christ he's been he's gotten his son in trouble his son's in federal prison because of him he has blown an immigrant's dream broke joyce's heart blown an enormous amount of money enormous amount of money killed hisormous amount of money. Killed his wife. There's a disappearance that we haven't dealt with. Killed his goddamn wife. Shot a federal witness who's got no kidney now. He's got problems. He's got all kinds of buddies that he wrapped up in all this that have gone to jail.

I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy. I really, really do. But not as bad as I feel for these people. And I had to pick a few because there's a trillion John Pauls out there. So I just had to pick a few. Thanks a lot, Pope. And the last one's a fake. Yeah, the one with the dead Pope.

But I want a computer. John Paul, computer software engineer in India. That poor guy is like, I pick American-sounding names so I can do customer service. I pick American-sounding names so I can call and pretend that I'm the IRS. Yeah, exactly. John Paul, managing director at iCognitive LTD, a management consulting firm in Singapore. Oh, goodness. John Paul, CEO

and founder of Venue Next. He went to the University of Illinois of Urbana-Champaign. John Paul. He didn't even go to Harvard. No, no. He doesn't. Thank God. Then they'd never get him a part. He'd never be able to tell him a part. John Paul, administrative executive at G.K. Sun's Engineering Enterprises, private them apart you'd never be able to tell them apart john paul administrative executive at gk sons engineering enterprises private private limited in india it says on his linkedin that

he's quote an accomplished office administrator with eight plus years of solid experience so go out and hire that man he's got a bad name eight years most of all john paul senior because it said it right in his name oh my god john pa John Paul Sr., a poor bastard from Tulsa, Oklahoma, who died in 2014 at the age of 86, whose memory is still tarnished. Services were held at the Thomas More Parish in Tulsa. Rest in peace. Rest in peace, Sr.

So now he sits in prison. Yeah. He's in prison now. John Jr. is released in February of 89 from prison. Okay. And he's, everybody in the race game, everybody was like, he was a fucking kid and his father was an asshole. They all know his father, what an overbearing asshole he was. They're like, he didn't do anything wrong, whatever.

So they allow him back into racing. In 1989, he's in the Indianapolis 500. Awesome. He gets to actually run in the race, which is awesome. And his dad gets to sit in fucking jail. He didn't win it. For a while. So his dad sits in jail through the 90s until 1999 when they release him on parole. What?

Released on parole. He's going to start a new life. Yeah. I am good now. Yeah. Good now. Right? Everybody's good? Okay. Early 2000, he just gets out of jail. A woman named Colleen Wood enters the picture. She answers a personal ad of a man that's seeking a sailing companion jesus what do you think that is uh she's impressed with his harvard education race car driving who do you think this fella is that's looking for a companion to them she had google damn it she had google that's what i mean this is google she had they have a huge romance they say they're in love blah, blah. They make plans to sail around the world together on this 55-foot schooner called Island Girl is the name of it. John convinces Colleen to sell her condo and personal belongings because they're sailing around the world.

What the hell do you need your condo for? Colleen gives him $43,000 for the trip is what the initial was. December 3rd, 2000. This is bad when it starts getting broken down into days you know it's bad yeah colleen calls her son in ohio and lets her know that they're going to be leaving soon to set sail and she's going to call him soon and they'll talk more about it she'll tell them their plans they're in key west at the time colleen and uh and john you know key west now december 13th 10 days later 2000 a former co-worker of Colleen named Maureen Canada,

which just sounds an odd name. Hi, I'm Maureen Canada. Sounds like a made-up name. Yeah, it does. It sounds like an alias. Yeah. She gets a hold of Colleen and asks her to attend a Christmas party. I guess she's an old co-worker.

She says, yeah, everybody's going to be there. Come to this Christmas party before you leave. Yeah. She says, great, I'll be there. Colleen does. She doesn't show up. A few weeks pass. No word from her. No Colleen. The says, great, I'll be there. Colleen does. She doesn't show up. A few weeks pass. No word from her.

No Colleen. The son, Michael, doesn't hear from her. Maureen Canada doesn't hear a goddamn word. Michael calls the police, but there's no evidence of any crime. So, like, what are we going to do? We have nothing we can do. She's an adult. We're going to find her.

She's an adult. She can do what she wants. She said she was going to sail around the world. Maybe she took off early. Like, we're not going to, what are we going to send the dogs out after? So, Michael tracks down paul's daughter now john paul's junior's daughter adrian tracks her down she tells michael the son that her father told her that colleen ended the relationship after an argument about an ex-girlfriend that he had so then a month later the ex-girlfriend that

disappeared maybe that's yeah that would that would cause an argument yeah so a month later john paul senior here calls michael because he knows the thing he's trying to calm him down that disappeared. Maybe. That would cause an argument. So a month later, John Paul Sr. here calls Michael because he knows he's trying to calm him down because he's that big of a sociopath. He thinks he can make it cool.

He's going to cover his tracks. He tells him that they had an argument and he doesn't remember what it was about and that Colleen left and came back later in the day with her football player

big giant boyfriend and took all of her belongings and he hasn't seen her since. That's his story. I feel like the son doesn't know anything about a football player. No giant boyfriend, and took all of her belongings, and he hasn't seen her since. That's his story. I feel like the son doesn't know anything about a football player. No. So now there's two conflicting stories from this camp. So Michael goes back to the police and says,

look, I go to these people, they give me two different stories. I haven't heard from my mother. She usually calls me, fucking look into this, please. So the police look into it. They find that, Colleen, there was over 80 ATM advances in the time after she was missing in December for worth over $40,000. They see on the surveillance camera that it's a woman taking the money, but not Colleen. It's not John Paul Sr., obviously.

The police tracked down the women that were taking out the advances, and they just said that some guy they don't know paid them a percentage of what they withdrew to withdraw the money he knew about the cameras like you go up there and do it i'll take the cash right and also they're suspicious because on december 16th three days after that that fall that phone call from the maureen canada yeah two ads are placed in the same magazine or same place that colleen found his ad one of which stating that he's looking for a first mate for sailing and another one stating that in the man seeking women section so he put ads out again so she's not around anymore so police contact paul senior let's have a little chat with this guy he tells them that uh they had a fight over money that she owed him and she made

no attempt to repay him, and she took off. That's what he tells police. Police are suspicious of him. They said he's acting nervous and evasive and showed no compassion for a woman he's supposed to be in love with. Yeah, right. And he was completely missing. But there's no physical evidence.

There's no evidence of anything. There's evidence that he robbed her. But there's no evidence he robbed her. Yeah. It could have been anybody. So, I mean, at this point, they have no evidence. They just go shrug their shoulders

and leave him on his boat and go home. Yeah. What else are they going to do? Days later, they, you know, they're like, well, let's see what's going on

with this guy. Let's look into him a little bit. And they figure out, oh, yeah, he's on parole for attempted murder and a conspiracy and his other wife

from 1981 was missing off a goddamn boat. Right. Hmm. Let's look further into this so they go back to this is like kaiser so say good this is a complete chas palminteri coming back into the office and no one's sitting there anymore and you see you know kevin spacey's going down the street that's what happened here because he is gone they go back to the where he was docked he is not there

anymore he's fucking gone no one's seen him he's gone he leaves the u. He is not there anymore. He's fucking gone. No one's seen him. He's gone. He leaves the U.S. He's out of the country. He changes the boat's name from Island Girl to Diamond Girl. It's because he's been seen other places.

He is not officially a suspect, but he's still wanted for questioning. This is 16 years later now. He's still wanted for questioning. Also wanted for

violating his parole for leaving the goddamn country. He's not allowed to do that at all. He's last he's been spotted in fiji he's still on the loose still on the lam guys wow spotted on his boat that's how they knew about the name change near in the fiji area and the latest sighting of him where he's thought to be is in thailand oh jesus living in southern thailand the lady boys People say he works at a dive shop and has some Thai wife that I'm sure

he'll kill on a boat. Yeah, no doubt. That's the thing. If you have any info on John, if you run across him, please call the Fort Lauderdale Police Department at 954-828-5512 because they're still fucking looking for him. That's amazing. The federal government wants him for that. Some sad

news here. This John Jr. is just the shit end of every stick. John Jr. in 2001 had to retire from racing due to the effects of Huntington's disease, which is a genetic disorder that causes degeneration of certain brain cells. It's similar to Alzheimer's. It breaks you down physically, mentally, cognitively. It's a genetic disorder. John's grandmother also had it. So he's slowly falling apart.

I believe so. He's slowly falling apart now. That's why Joyce was so boring, maybe. She was carrying a horrible gene. She was carrying a gene that's killing her. So this poor, this poor goddamn Paul Jr. has gotten the shaft. Meanwhile, his dad's living it up. Yeah, in Thailand.

In Thailand after killing two women and shooting a federal witness and all this i mean this guy gets away with everything now if you love this guy and can't get enough of him feel free to buy his models of the cars he ran in his second place daytona uh 1980 car is a porsche 935 that model and they also have the 1982 daytona winner 935 model they're're $47.50 each. You can get them either pre-built or you can build them yourself. Jesus. Build it with your kid.

Do something with yourself. If you want to follow the case of Shalice Paul, the original dead wife, because that goes on. They're still looking for her? They're looking hard for her. There's a big online surge. You can follow at Shalice Paul on Twitter. All right. C-H-A-L-I-C-a-l-i-c-e paul on twitter

and uh there's all sorts of updates on that and hey if she ever fucking emerges from the depths maybe she'll uh that's so sad you can she'll post on twitter maybe she'll be a funny twitter we'll see maybe she'll have some some sort of not not some celebrity Twitter account. Jimmy, wow. That was a fun one. The coolest part is that he's still out there. He killed two broads and sailed off into the sea, and he's last seen off the coast of Fiji. What the hell kind of shit is that?

We have dudes who are like, yeah, you know, he grew up without a floor, and then he went to prison, and he ate roaches in his cell, and then he got out, and now he makes speeches to kids, and we're like, that's decent. really maize akins finds his world series ring or whatever the fuck is al championship ring this is batshit right this guy is a bond villain he's a bond villain he really is

there's gonna be like another move that's that's the end of a movie that's gonna have a sequel like him and the cops can't find him where's he gonna be he's gonna pop up wreaking more havoc in part two and Bond's gonna have to take his ass down cause this is he's a fucking Bond villain he caused and did all of his dirt

in like 80's Florida when America's Most Wanted guy lost his son now we need America's Most Wanted guy more than ever this is we do

find this motherfucker think about this while all of this was going on all this trafficking and all of John Paul Jr., they were all wearing bright pink and green and linen and no socks and worshiping Don Johnson. This was a weird fucking time for America, people.

Watch Miami Vice. That's where these people were living. Men in fishnet shirts, and they didn't suck dicks. They were straight. It's unbelievable. So that was, like I said, from start to finish, you couldn't write a story like that. No doubt. That's absolutely insane.

That's crazy. It's not. I don't even know what to say about that. We should have saved this and written a movie. This is fucking amazing. This is nuts. I basically did write a movie. And it's true.

But it's all true. It's true. And it's not put together. There aren't many places besides, like, the Wikipedia page is just a skim. I mean, there's none of that shit obviously it's a it's a skim of off the top of this no character references there's no nobody wrote this whole story including like oh by the way his wives are dead and oh by the way this or that they either write about the dead wives or they write about the drug trafficking or they write

about the racing and just forget about it all that's looney tunes and all the articles that just wrote about what a great racer he was or you, you know, ooh, the downfall of him, he was a great racer, then he did this. All they bring up is shooting the witness, drug charges. None of them say, by the way, fucking wife is missing, just disappeared, and then he killed another broad and disappeared. And ruined his son's life in the prime of his career, put him in prison, and then he gets out and he races in the 500, and some guy... It's insane.

Who was the winner? Damn it, I just had 500. It's insane. And some guy, who was the winner? Damn it, I just had it. It's nuts. Whatever. Which one? The winner of the one that he actually raced in in 89. Oh, I don't remember. It was Fittipaldi.

Okay. Emerson Fittipaldi. It wasn't him. I think he finished 15th or something. Yeah, figures. The guy that won in a Marlboro car. Oh, perfect. See?

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