Crime in Sports - #371 - A Dangerous Sexual Predator - Davey Hilton Jr

Episode Date: September 5, 2023

This week, we fight our way through the story of a man, who came from at least 4 generations of boxers, who all seem to to have problems, outside of the ring. Between him, and his brothers, i...t's an avalanche of crime, and legal proceedings. But our guy has them all beat by committing one of the most hideous crimes, ever. He may seriously be the worst person we've ever covered!Start boxing at age 3, be a walking police blotter, along with your brothers, and deny your unspeakable crime, even though there's all the evidence in the world with Davey Hilton Jr!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports crimeinsports@gmail.com facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:04:34 Is he more dumb or more of a jerk? This guy, huge asshole. All right. Huge asshole. Never had a chance, mind you, with his background and shit. But huge asshole. we're let's talk about him davey hilton jr jr right away yeah it's bad news and following in his father's footsteps and everything makes it worse as which he did and not only just a name but in everything else
Starting point is 00:04:58 now davey huh davey dave is his real name everyone calls him Davey Davey Hilton Jr. Now about this guy this guy is not a very famous guy he's a boxer but what he did is horrific and his whole family like in Canada they know about him more but his whole family's famous his body I think he had four boxer him and three of his brothers were boxers oh my which you rarely see that where everybody's a boxer because dad was a boxer and just basically they say in this documentary i saw dad didn't take us to school he took us to the gym well that's not a good place that's not great so that's all these kids ever did was fight and oddly enough they get in a lot of trouble because of that weird weird stuff what he did though has nothing to do with fighting and has everything to do with him being a monster fucking horrible person. Okay. Bad stuff here. Top five bad guy we've talked about.
Starting point is 00:05:50 I mean, that's where we're at today. Yeah. Holy shit. So, little background on this guy, by the way. I got this episode from, I didn't find this guy. I eventually probably would have found him, but I didn't find this guy. probably would have found him but i didn't find this guy was given this guy when we first started the show in the first 20 episodes a friend of ours named isaac that we know um told me about this guy he goes listen you're doing this show isaac knows nothing about sports whatsoever i mean
Starting point is 00:06:14 couldn't know less about sports if it was possible so uh he's but he knows about this guy because he said there's a isaac is a as a traveler his family are travelers if you don't know what they are they're scottish travelers so if you don't know what travelers are basically all those gypsy shows on tv that's travelers those are traveler people and of a certain whatever ilk but his family is a scottish traveler from florida from florida but with a heavy scottish accent oh boy very strange yeah you couldn't tell. People go, where are you from? He goes, Tampa. And you're like, that's the funniest thing in the world.
Starting point is 00:06:48 Sure you are. Tampa. And people thought they'd crack up laughing. They'd think he was kidding. They'd go, ah, that's funny, and walk away. He's like, I'm from fucking Tampa. And he'd be all mad. So he got me on the phone at 2 o'clock in the morning back in the day.
Starting point is 00:07:03 And he goes, there's a guy you have to do. He's a guy, and he gave me his name. He knew it off the top of his head. He goes, they're a traveler family. Now, in everything that you can find about these people, every article, nowhere does it say that they're travelers. Really? I don't know if they tried to hide that fact or what, but Isaac would not know who they were unless they were travelers. That's the thing.
Starting point is 00:07:25 He knows about them because he said they're a traveler family and we all know about them as travelers. So here you go. So that's one of the things. And there's a few hints from like the great grandfather or grandfather where you go, oh, yeah, that's a traveler there. Those are travelers. And also the parents forcing the kids to do whatever the parents are doing for a living when the kids are still children also. We're painting houses now. What are you, 11?
Starting point is 00:07:50 You get on the roof. Hold this fucking ladder. Like that's what they do. Isaac did that anyway. Yeah, he did roofing for Christ's sake. Yeah, as a child. He was a child roofer, which is bad. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:08:03 That's one of the worst things you could do to a child is make them roof. I think like there's a, you know what I mean? Like they used to stick them in coal mines. I think, I don't know which I'd rather do to be honest with you. Yeah. I think saw cutting plywood into rotten spots is worse with the hot tar and
Starting point is 00:08:19 shit. And it's a hundred and fucking 11 degrees outside on a hot black roof. Fuck that. I might want to go underground. Revallying a fucking roof. Yeah. Grease me up and slide me down that hole. I'm going under.
Starting point is 00:08:32 It's shadier down there. It's shadier. It's cooler down there anyway. So Dave Hilton Jr., a little bit about him. He's born in Port Credit, Ontario, Canada. No. Port Credit. I don't know if it had just been repossessed by something.
Starting point is 00:08:47 This is Port Credit now, goddammit. You guys have bad credit. Now, the family speaks French also, by the way. Yeah. They speak English and French. So I had no idea going into this that they were French until I watched a documentary on YouTube that is in French, by the way. And they're all speaking French. And I'm like, holy shit, they all speak a lot of French here.
Starting point is 00:09:06 So we'll get into his boxing. By the way, boxing is going to be so secondary today because there's so much crime. I don't even know if we'll talk about all of his fights. It doesn't even matter. Put it that way. Fuck boxing. This is just a family of criminals. It's insane.
Starting point is 00:09:22 They're like the Gotti family, these people. They're worse. Worse. Way worse. the Gotti family, these people. They're worse. Worse. Way worse. Actually worse. Yeah. What he did, none of the Gottis ever did as far as I know. Okay.
Starting point is 00:09:33 Okay. Now, his father, Dave Hilton Sr., obviously, here, he's also a boxer. He's from Montreal. So that might explain the Frenchness of everything here. Yeah, the French-Canadian stuff, yep. And when he was an amateur, in two years, he compiled a 71-1 amateur record, the father. Not bad. So he fought 73 fights in two years.
Starting point is 00:09:57 Wow. That's more than every other week. That's a lot of fights. And he won the Texas Gold Gloves and kentucky golden gloves featherweight titles as well traveling from state to state uh he he fought with a bit he's the father here's another thing too i didn't know there was jewish scottish travelers but apparently there are is that right yeah the father's jewish i don't know if the kids are adhere to it or whatever but he wore a big star david on his trunks and everything, the father. Interesting. Yeah, the father was very Jewish here.
Starting point is 00:10:27 And his sons, though, all the sons, Matthew, Davy, Alex, and Stuart, all box. It's like four out of five kids. I think they have a girl, too. But the girl they end up, like, sending to be raised by a relative. I guess she doesn't have a good left hook. So 100% of the kids now. Yeah, not real interested in her because she's not i guess she doesn't have a good left hook and they're gonna so 100 of the kids now yeah not real interested in her because she's not a good boxer has a mother named genie who i got to see in the documentary and you could just see in her eyes she's been through a lot
Starting point is 00:10:54 yeah it's one of those things you just go oh man this woman oh boy she's been through so much and she's just i love it she was at the front desk of the gym when the journalist walked in and i'm like oh this poor lady so uh his brothers like we said are uh matthew alex and stewart those are the three boxing brothers and then jimmy who doesn't box okay he also has a sister who was raised by her grandparents so she's out of the picture now uh dave senior had over 80 fights through the mid-70s professionally um he was making the kids do boxing there wasn't any class it wasn't what do you want to be when you grow up it's you know how great of a boxer are you going to be when you grow up what weight class are you going to be when you grow up that sort of morning champ that's what it is yeah everybody said too davey the father when he was out after fights or in between fights
Starting point is 00:11:46 he every time he'd go to bars he'd get in brawls and he was just one of those guys wow fighting outside fighting outside the ring inside the ring these people fight a lot uh he had a pro record for the father of listen to this one uh 138 and 15 wow that's a lot of fights that's a mean man that's a mean man yeah that's a lot of fucking fights he he said quote when my boys were growing up i was their hero partly because of bar fights i'd get into partly how the hell would your small children know about your bar fights and be think of you as heroic because of them yeah for that to affect their opinion of you unless they're in the bar he continues the boys saw a lot of them i'd take them to a bar and say something like watch i'll take on four guys in this place and beat them all
Starting point is 00:12:36 i'm going inside i'll be right back with four guys to fight no no inside he'd take the kids in the bar yeah and go i'm gonna beat up those four guys watch this and then have the son sit there and watch him fight four men i don't think that's good parenting i mean it's it sets an example of if dad says some shit you listen i get that but other than that i feel like dr spock would be against that yeah dr mr spock everybody dr phil all the fake doctors i think dr spock's a real doctor i think he is yeah yeah yeah dr phil's not is that the what to expect guy i don't know yeah i think it is i think that's dr spock and then mr spock obviously but he also agrees leonard nimoy also is in full agreement if he was He would say, don't take your kids to a bar and tell them you'll take on four guys and beat them all.
Starting point is 00:13:29 That's what he would say. That's my advice to you. So they he said, quote, they tried to do the things I did get drunk and get into fights. What a nice example to set for your kids. That's terrific. They tried to do that. Their children. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:44 These are children. For a long time, it was a joke. your kids that's terrific they tried to do that they're children yeah these are children for a long time it was a joke no that's not a joke when you're poor and all your kids are trying to get drunk and start bar fights when they're fucking in fifth grade i don't think that's it's not a joke is it hell of a joke where's the punchline that is wow i mean we're comedians we've been doing this a long time and yeah i don't see the joke in it really that's the funny part set up the twist or the punchline to be honest no you know what would be funny is if you followed this a long time and yeah i don't see the joke in it really that's the funny part i was gonna set up the twist or the punchline to be honest no you know what would be funny is if you followed it all
Starting point is 00:14:09 the way through and could see grown men punching out 10 year olds that would be fun that's hilarious to me yeah like a kid who really deserved it came up talking shit you know what i'm saying hit you in the balls shit-faced and some guy just goes thump and knocks him to the ground and he's i'd go that's hilarious that's funny a real real boozy one one that's like light on his toes and and wobbly that's yeah like always sunny when mac and charlie beat those kids up there's nothing funnier ever that happened on that show than them just beating the shit out of those children i don't know why it's not real obviously so that's why if i don't want to see real children be injured unless they're being loud
Starting point is 00:14:49 in a restaurant make them drunk and earning it and it's a good joke it's pretty fun at that point yeah it gets better he says then i began to see what was happening to my family i was a poor example for my boys in those days there you go yeah there you go he said one morning i woke up after a bad night in a bar and i told my wife lois that's it no more drinking really dave senior said nope uh quote she'd heard that before but i meant it today even the thought of having a drink makes me physically ill still Still hasn't. Still hasn't done it. But the problem is he's already got his kids on that path. Right. Once you're a child drinker and bar fighter,
Starting point is 00:15:31 really it's hard to break out of that habit. So he's raising the sons. Their grandfather also a boxer. By the way, great-grandfather also a fighter. That's all they did. That's all they've done. Yeah, that's it. Whether everybody done yeah that's it it's like whether it's house painting whether it's whatever travelers tend to pass down there
Starting point is 00:15:50 they're whatever and if they i don't know like i said if they're if they're claiming to be travelers or not but right like i said our friend wouldn't have known it any other way so i think he's i think they're travelers allegedly i guess i don't know if that's a slander. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. So their grandpa, this is from Dave Sr., he would go to fairs in Scotland. You know what I mean? Like carnivals, fairs type of thing. And just like in the old days, in America, the way they would do, fight all comers. And they'd do it in wrestling.
Starting point is 00:16:24 They'd do it in boxing. Jesus. He said that his grandpa would bare-knuckle fight all comers at Scotland fairs. Anybody that wanted it. These are tough guys, probably. I'll give you one. A bunch of Scottish guys, you know, all pissed off and shit, liquored up and pissed off. He said he'd throw his hat up in the air and let it fall, and picking it up was volunteering to fight him.
Starting point is 00:16:44 Is that right? And then that guy, he'd beat the shit up. Then he'd throw his hat up again the air and let it fall, and picking it up was volunteering to fight him. Is that right? And then that guy would beat the shit up. Then he'd throw his hat up again. Who wants it next? And somebody would come, and after three, four guys, the hat just sat there for a long time, and no one picked it up anymore because he would just pummel people. So you hand him the hat, he puts it on, and then we fight? No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:17:00 He throws it in the air, and whoever picks it up first, that's who he's fighting. Wow. That's the sign that you want to fight. You pick up the throw, he throws it in the air, and whoever picks it up first, that's who he's fighting. Wow. That's the sign that you want to fight. You pick up the hat, you bring it back. It's like a ticket, like getting a deli ticket. I'm number 42, and you give it to him, and then he punches you rather than gives you cold cuts. It's different. It's fetch for people.
Starting point is 00:17:17 Yeah. I'd like a half pound of, ow, shit, I'm on the wrong line. I didn't want that. Jesus Christ. Stop hitting me. So 1966, Dave Sr. starts bringing Davey Jr., who was three at the time, to the gym here with him. He'd bring others when they turned three as well. Three was your, that was when you started going to the gym.
Starting point is 00:17:41 That's when you can lift a two. Yeah, but before that, too, you're just going to wander around. You're going to tip over the spit bucket. You're not going to be helpful. No, you can't do shit at that point. They had their first exhibition matches by the time they turned five. So they're getting punched in the head by five. Boxing.
Starting point is 00:17:59 Boxing. Okay, yeah. Each child quit school at 12. Perfect. I think maybe that was the law. Like you had to go through 12 or whatever. After that, you either go on to another school or you quit. That's your choice.
Starting point is 00:18:12 You quit. Yeah. It's elementary school pretty much. So that's when they were like, well, that's enough of that. I got to fight. So here's an article from – it's from 1988 from the LA Times but it's about you know the the early days here matthew hilton asked about his earliest memories of being a member of canada's fighting hiltons began talking about the old hilton family trailer oh it all starts in a trailer things always
Starting point is 00:18:38 converge he said we travel all over canada to amateur boxing tournaments in that trailer of dad's. We'd travel hundreds of miles in a day just to get to a tournament. The trailer was big enough for just two beds. Mom and dad would be in one and all five brothers would be in the other. Mom cooked meals on the hot plate. Five kids in one bed. Five kids in a trailer. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:03 Wow. Well, yeah, at least it wasn't six that girl probably ended up for the better i imagine an actual trailer though right yeah yeah being told this is hooked up to it's not even no there's no lattice around the bottom of it there's no gas or anything this isn't there's no porch stapled to the side of it there's no hose connecting it right to any any they have matter of fact they have to hook up a hose everywhere they go yeah to dump their shit out of it to dump five boys worth of shit out wow five little boxing boys worth of shit out so yeah they said that that's what they would do he said
Starting point is 00:19:36 i guess i learned to fight in bed i mean i'd wake up in the middle of the night after alex or davy jr had run an elbow into my mouth or something. So I'd wake up fighting. We'd fight for a minute or two. A lot of yelling. The other brothers would wake up, break it up. Then everyone would go back to sleep. What the fuck?
Starting point is 00:19:55 That's the other thing. When you have five kids that you all take to the gym and they're all fighters and all this, all they're going to do is fight. They're going to be like a little tornado that comes through wherever you are and destroying everything with locusts. They're just going to fuck, man. So you'd be woken up by fights every few minutes, right? I would think constantly. Shut up.
Starting point is 00:20:14 I don't care anymore. I don't care who does what to who. Put a pillow over his face and fucking sit on it for all I care. Shut the fuck up. Whoever survives the night great i don't care there's too many of you we're in a trailer stop fuck me so october 1977 they davy who's 90 pounds and matt his brother who's 80 pounds are in a uh an ireland canada amateur boxing tournament here.
Starting point is 00:20:47 And both of them beat the shit out of their opponents. And also, Davey Sr. also trains Eddie Mello at the time, who's a big boxer in Toronto at the time as well. They said, quote, this is from a guy named Morden Cookie Lazarus, who's a lawyer. I want my lawyer's nickname to be Cookie, don't you? That sounds like he's got a lot of legal expertise hey cookie what's up with that tort i don't think is the right cookie cookie did you file the affidavits i don't imagine me asking why does he need a nickname
Starting point is 00:21:21 yes well his first name is morden m-o-r-d-e-n it's better than cookie it's better than cookie it sounds more professional call yourself mori it's better than fucking cookie so he described them uh described them thusly quote you'd see them in the gym walking single file behind their father like little ducks and polite they were the politest boys you'd ever want to meet is that right in public yeah because that'll beat the shit out of them probably yeah don't make an ass of me no shit so um they ended up you know doing all this type of shit stewart ends up not boxing after a while here okay he quits yeah alex ends up being a canadian amateur champion by the way oh brother jimmy never turned pro he never made it to pro uh stewart ended up with a four and oh career record
Starting point is 00:22:14 as we'll talk about we'll tell you what stopped his boxing career cold in its tracks also matthew and dave jr were the best of the lot of the boxers. So they were the ones that were professional and dad saw a future in them. But they were also both huge drunks is the problem too. They were huge drunks. They liked to party. They liked to do crazy shit. They got arrested. The things they get arrested for really run the gamut of everything.
Starting point is 00:22:43 Public drunkenness, fighting in public, to armed robbery. really so much worse than that so it gets bad may of 1979 um a guy named tim burke from the gazette hey it does tons of articles on these guys from up there i guess he's from canada here and uh he keeps doing it keeps doing all these articles on him. So we'll talk about he'll do a bunch of articles later on. December 1979, Davey Jr. is 16 years old. He weighs 125 pounds. His amateur record is 116 and 2. Jesus. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 00:23:19 He also beat the two guys that beat him after they beat him. Okay, so he's unbelievable so yeah nobody's nobody's gotten over on him and got away with it put it that way right he's gotten his revenge anytime yeah uh matthew or alex on the other hand was 142 pounds and had an 80 and 2 record okay matthew at the time was 13 and he was 61 and 0 with 39 first round knockouts oh my he's a dangerous man here dad said he once tried to separate
Starting point is 00:23:51 a fight between Dave and Alex at home and he said it took 15 minutes for him to get them to stop fighting you don't get between two pitbulls unless you're the biggest pitbull in the house I'm bigger and drunker and I'm a better fighter than all of you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:07 I will punch all of you. But he had to. Dog fights, they tell you. Like, don't try to get in between that. They'll bite you. Yeah, because they get at each other. So constantly, though, they're drinking and doing all sorts of shit. Matthew ended up buying a bar in Montrealreal which is a great thing for an alcoholic
Starting point is 00:24:25 to do i guess um i don't know if he has that much of a problem but later on but for a while it seems to be affecting his life it certainly was a problem at some point right well i guess well there's a trainer here that said matthew doesn't have the same kind of problem with drinking as his dad and alex that's what one of them said it's not extreme that's i mean i don't know what that we're talking about a sliding scale at this point of right of alcoholism so you know what i'm saying and they're also of with when there's scottish descent involved too that's another sliding scale so now we have two different sliding scales going on and i don't know where the hell they fall so yeah this is a handicap here yeah yeah our friend we saw i saw him once down in one sip a water glass full of
Starting point is 00:25:11 scotch yeah and then we had to carry him to his house or not his house his efficiency motel that him and his father were starting so i'm dislocate and relax dislocate his jaw relax his throat yeah and pour a tall boy without swallowing yeah you know like some people drink a beer in your home go no swallowing i just heard the air occupy the can while the beer fell down is the grossest noise i've ever heard in my life i saw him do that with a 12 ounce glass of scotch jimmy 12 ounce glass of glenn livet 12 year old single malt scotch that's the noise he just poured it and it went down like the guy from the man show that used to do the beer drinking it was fucking wild and uh so i mean i don't know if he was considered an extra you know more of a drunk than other people in his family or not.
Starting point is 00:26:06 Who knows? You know what I'm saying? Wow. So they all, you know, they're fighting, obviously. And we'll get into their whole deal here. Alex ends up with a 37-11 career record. Matthew's career record was 32-3-2. So pretty good.
Starting point is 00:26:24 That's pretty good, too. Yeah. Yeah. But Davey Jr. seemed to have the – everybody seemed to pin all the hopes on him for some reason. He had good speed, footwork. He moved his head around. He had good power in both hands. And he was very tough, real tough, iron jaw, that kind of guy, hard to knock out. When he was 16, he won the Intermediate Boxing Championships in
Starting point is 00:26:45 Belleville, Ontario. So he's winning tournaments and doing all this shit. He turns pro when he's 17 in 1981. Davey does here. He has a daughter born in 1981 as well. Might be a reason why you gotta turn pro when you're 17.
Starting point is 00:27:01 Yeah. Her name is Jeie the boy the daughter the mother of this child is the sister of arturo gatti is that right the boxer yeah yeah the very very tough boxer yeah her name is anne marie gatti so and uh they named the montreal fucking mobster frank uh katroni as their godfather, as the kid's godfather as well. Beautiful. Yeah, this is fun here. This is good. His first fight
Starting point is 00:27:32 here, he fights a guy named Noel Torres in February. It'd be fun at Christmas, but not in February. So he fights him in Montreal. This fight is a knockout in the second round, and Davey loses his first fight. Is that right?
Starting point is 00:27:45 He's 0-1. Yeah, he starts out losing. How crazy is that? Beat the Yuletide right into him. It's fucking nuts. Now, his brother, Matthew, beat an opponent on the undercard, and Alex loses on the undercard as well. Wow. So all three brothers fought there.
Starting point is 00:28:02 Alex loses on the undercard as well. Wow. So all three brothers fought there. So, yeah, they said that he looks so old with a mustache. Davey looked like a baby beside him, the guy he was fighting. That's what his mother said. They said, yeah, that's how that goes. They said the pressure would be infinitely less away from his hometown.
Starting point is 00:28:21 Victories wouldn't be overblown. Defeats wouldn't be confidence-shattering traumas at this point. So, oh, no, he won this fight. Why did I say? Oh, because Noel's 0-1. I thought he lost the fight. Oh, God damn it. I just mistaked Noel's record for his record. So he beat the Yule right out of him.
Starting point is 00:28:38 He beat the Christmas spirit out of this guy. 1-0. So they want him to fight outside of Montreal, but he's going to stick around for a while. Next up, he fights a guy named Kevin Coffey, who's 0-1 coming in, and this is his last career fight. Maybe this isn't for him. Evidently. He knocks him out in the first
Starting point is 00:28:55 round, so 2-0 for Davey. April 17, 1981, Davey marries Anna Maria Gotti. Now? Now, April 17th, 81. Marries him. The gangster guy is in attendance as well, so he must really be a family friend here. June 14th, 1981, he fights a guy named Dennis Brisson and beats him with a unanimous decision in the fourth round.
Starting point is 00:29:19 June 26th, less than two weeks later, he beats Eddie Ortiz, who's 0-4 coming in, 0-6 career. Wow. Maybe don't anymore. You got the idea. Yeah, I don't think I'm very good at this. Taylor Swift is soaring high, her every move captured in the news cycle and devoured by her devoted fans. She's broken billboard records and made Grammys history, not to mention becoming a billionaire in the process. Grammy's history, not to mention becoming a billionaire in the process. But along the way,
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Starting point is 00:31:23 he's uh you know beating people here he's going the distance in a couple of these fights November he fights Dan Gagnon it's oh my god his name Jimmy G-A-G-N-O-N Gagnon like he's gagging on something how much
Starting point is 00:31:39 would he get made fun of in school for that hey Gagnon a cock come here a minute hey Gagnon my, get over here. There would be no shortage of torture for this kid. It's got to be Gagnon, right? Yes, but that's not what anyone called him. Never. Gaggin' on is what he got called, and that's why he became a boxer,
Starting point is 00:31:57 because he was tired of it and couldn't take it anymore. He fought back. He didn't fight back too well against Davey, because Davey knocks him out in the fourth round, and he's a 1-6 career fighter so we can call him whatever he wanted we want and he's over 60 now too
Starting point is 00:32:12 so he wasn't that tough in his prime I think both of us could probably take him at this point I feel like he's probably not that tough now no he was only 145 pounds in his prime I think we could take him so December 81 he fights Ray Rosa who's 1-7 coming into this fight. He's not fighting any world beaters here. Nobody's tough, yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:31 Bunch of tomato cans. Knocks this guy out in the first round, 7-0. March 4, 82, Henry Rosa, who goes by Enrique for some reason for a first name, which is just – Isn't Enrique – isn't that the Henry of of uh i don't know i have no idea maybe it's either that or he just likes enrique better i don't know he's one in seven also coming into this fight it's like they're searching these guys out uh davy knocks him out in the first round ko here again he fights gagan on again why does gagging on want more why does he want
Starting point is 00:33:06 more i don't get it gagging on he's gag i want to gag on it you've had enough but i want to take it all the way down now come on no mercy i want to be gagging on it so this doesn't work out this is a unanimous decision though it does go all six rounds. So 9-0 for Davey. He fights Bobby Green next up. Bobby Green's a 1-0 career fighter and gets knocked out in the first round. Not 1-0 anymore. So that's Davey's first ten fights there. Done.
Starting point is 00:33:36 So he's fighting a bunch of tomato cans and beating them. Next up, October 19, 1982, he fights Tim Elliott. 0-1 coming into this fight. 1-6 career. So this is a knockout for Davey. November of 82, Jean-Paul Petrin he fights, who doesn't sound very tough. And it turns out he's not very tough for Davey. Davey knocks him out.
Starting point is 00:34:00 So there you go, 12-0. Next up, Mike Blunt he fights. He sounds tough. B-L-U-N- unt like you're smoking a blunt not even like blount so blunt aka the bumblebee he's the bumblebee yeah because they sting they sting but blunt is a cool name it is yeah i would call myself mike blunt force trauma that would be my fucking nickname blunt force that was that's who i would be it's not. Blunt, forced. That's who I would be. Not bad. Yeah. Yeah. That would be my nickname. I'm giving you a medical assessment of the cause of death.
Starting point is 00:34:35 Of what I'm going to do to you. That's better than Bumblebee. You're a transformer. Yeah. Are you a transformer? Do you think you're Muhammad Ali being sting being sting like a bee probably not let's go with forced trauma so he's 14 and 9 coming into this fight 14 and 13 for his career so i don't know what davy did to him other than knocking out in the first round but he ruined his career here so they have a daughter him and his wife here have a daughter in 1983 and they name it 1983, and they name it Anne-Marie. Really?
Starting point is 00:35:07 Yes, that's an Italian thing. That's a weird Italian thing. I think they're Italian, the Gottis, G-A-T-T-I, the fight, right? Is he Italian or fucking Spanish? Or Latin, I don't even know. I don't know. That sounds Latin, right? But who knows? Anne-Marie Gotti?
Starting point is 00:35:23 That's, I don't know, Jesus Christ. I feel like I've had Christmas Eve with this person before. right but you know who knows and marie gotti that's right i don't know jesus christ i feel like i've had christmas eve with this person before like this is this is a guinea here so certainly i could certainly do us a favor and not have to worry about any shit that's true yeah and i've watched him fight a million times oh it's g-a-t-t-i it's g-a-t-t-i yeah that doesn't yeah what's the difference is that right no gaddy it's gaddy he's brazilian brazilian oh i wonder if there's a if they're italian brazilian though because oh there's a lot of italian south americans like there's a lot of italian argentinians there's a lot of italian venezuelans he relocated to jersey city new jersey oh jesus christ They are not helping at all.
Starting point is 00:36:06 Anne-Marie, Jersey City. What the fuck do I want? This guy is two seconds away from ordering an Italian combo. They're like, what the fuck is happening? He's got to be Italian. He's got to be. The family has to be. He's got to have something.
Starting point is 00:36:17 I feel like the family's got to be. And Frank and the fucking gang. They've got to be Italian heritage. Looking at his face, James, that is a fucking italian he looks like an italian okay and that's an ann marie the name remember in goodfellas she said all the women were named marie and all the daughters were named marie that's the thing in italians they'll name their fucking daughters after the mothers too so that's a yeah look out for that one so they have a daughter ann marie all right it's ann marie gatti You're Italian. I don't care what you are.
Starting point is 00:36:46 If your name's Anne-Marie Gotti, you're Italian. They give zero inclination of where he comes from. But they got Secaucus in there, Jersey City, all these Italian shit. It's too much Italian. But it sounds Italian. Like I said, a lot of Italians came over to South they were, had open immigration more than the United States. After about the 1910s, you had to, you had to have family here
Starting point is 00:37:10 that could like get you into here. Otherwise, you couldn't just come here anymore. So then they started coming down there. He's got to be Italian at some point. I think he is, yeah. So next up here,
Starting point is 00:37:18 January 25th, 1983, Smokin' Bob Harvey, he fights. Yeah. You're not Joe Frazier. Again, you're not joe frazier again you're not there's one smoking and it's joe frazier my friend and so he's bob harvey bob harvey which isn't as cool as joe frazier that just sounds not joe frazier sounds like he's gonna knock your ass out and he would
Starting point is 00:37:39 frazier minus a nickname as cool as shit even that that's cool. Smoking Joe Frazier sounds awesome. That sounds like he's going to make a fucking jazz album when he's done beating you up. That sounds cool as fuck. So he beats the shit out of Smoking Bob here. Third round knockout. Next up, Sam Gervins, who needs a nickname. Smoking Sam Gervins would be a fine nickname. That's not bad, yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:59 That sounds pretty good. He's a shit 10-22 record coming into this fight. This is a unanimous decision win for Davey Davey though suffers a broken jaw in this fight oh yeah he does knock Irvin's down three times and wins a unanimous decision he says the pain was bad I'm gonna get some crazy glue to keep my left hand up by my chin oh because he dropped his hand he dropped his hand and got hit in the fucking chin so he's 15 and 0 anyway at this point next up he fights pedro acosta beats him in the second round next up bruce strauss and his nickname is he's bruce the mouse strauss okay why would you want to be
Starting point is 00:38:38 a mouse that's not threatening no and i'll spread the plague like what's your what's your threat i'm gonna i'm gonna shit all over this ring. I'm going to leave tiny turds everywhere. You're going to go, what is that? What are those? What is that? Little pieces of dirt? Oh, it's shit turds.
Starting point is 00:38:53 Little tiny ones. I'm going to piss on your shoulder. I'm going to piss all over your hand when you try to hold me. He's 63 and 42 coming into this fight. So he's had a lot of experience. Davey knocks him out in three rounds, though. So he's 17-0. November 8, 1983, the Hilton brothers head up to the Catskills to train with Customato.
Starting point is 00:39:15 Is that right? Yes, Customato, who trained Mike Tyson and adopted Mike Tyson, didn't just train him. So he said, quote, they have the will to win determination competitive spirit and good minds ready to go a kid won't make it if he's stupid boxing is 75 mental and emotional and 25 physical okay i might adjust those i might adjust that slightly just a little bit i don't like don't get me wrong but i'd adjust that a little bit i think he's being a little too. I don't like formulas. Cuss is the expert. Don't get me wrong. But I'd adjust that a little bit. I think he's being a little too glib on that shit. So December 4th, 1983, Mario Cusan, he fights 27-1-1 coming into this fight.
Starting point is 00:39:57 So this is a big deal here. It's at the Forum in Montreal. 20,000 people show up even though it's a heavy snowstorm. It's the, at the time, largest ever crowd for a sports event at the Forum. Largest ever. Largest ever. And that's where the hockey team plays and shit. So just you can fit more people in the ring. So he's the headliner.
Starting point is 00:40:16 And the problem is that they bump heads, Davey and Mario here, bump heads in the third round. And the fight is declared a draw because they both open up cuts on each other accidental head butt here so the brothers though they said there was a ton of really bad fights in the stand in the stands like all the fans were fighting each other even it was a wild night one an elderly
Starting point is 00:40:40 man was kicked almost to death people were stomping stomping the elderly. That's fucking crazy. Who do they bring to watch these fights? Jesus. Fucking everyone from the bar, I guess. What's their audience, honestly? Holy shit.
Starting point is 00:40:55 Dave Sr. said, I wish I was in the same position as my sons this week. I had some chances. I had the chances, some of the same chances they're getting now, but it't meant to be they work harder and are more serious than i was so rematch against mario here coming back because they have to have a rematch he knocks mario out in the first round of a 12-round fight so that's a that's a big deal here june 84 they do their they head to the Arch Archambault Penitentiary north of Montreal not to go in there to do their training routine in front of 450 inmates. Then they join the inmates for a large barbecue on the lawn. Okay. And the French Canadian prison is a little different than American.
Starting point is 00:41:43 Yeah. They'd all be stabbed if they were here. The instruments that you require to cook that meal will be used to stab somebody. Oh, absolutely. You'll be stabbed with a nice fork that someone just flipped a rack of ribs with. It's got barbecue sauce on it and everything. So Davey said, I'd rather spend three weeks here than two in the cat skills oh his cuss was a ball breaker he was a tough trainer i mean he made
Starting point is 00:42:10 mike tyson into a boxer think about that so july 10th 84 dennis uh sigoan he fights and beats him in the 10th round july 84 uh here that's this day alex dave Alex Davey and Matthew all win their fights that day. And they said of Davey, now he's set to take on the world. That's a fascinating thing when three brothers are all fighting on the same day on the same card. They're doing great. They're supposed to be introduced to a crowd at Olympic Stadium during an Expos game. See, the Expos come around all the time. It was being televised it was
Starting point is 00:42:46 a nationally televised game in north america like it was being televised as the game of the week in in the states too and they and they and their father though got way too shit-faced and didn't get there on time way too shit they showed up late yeah showed up late yeah couldn't do it so he next fights pete padilla beats him tko in the second round that is important because that's his 20th win he's 20 oh and one right now so that's pretty badass now january of 85 he's obviously had a weird upbringing davey's been in bar he's been around a lot of unseemly people let's just say sure the seedy people a lot of underworld people yeah so he says who can i bring in that would that can just go over the top of all of these people and be the biggest scumbag i've ever met who can i attach myself to that
Starting point is 00:43:38 could possibly fill those shoes oh thank fuck it's There he is. Perfect. How can I make this all worse? So Don King negotiates with Dave Sr. to become the exclusive promoter for all the Hilton boys. Wow. He said, you shoot any more out of your fucking piss pipe, I'll promote them too. Now, Frank Catroni takes part in the negotiations, the gangster, from jail where he was fighting an extradition order and eventually won and wasn't extradited, I guess. Oh. So, yeah, they said other promoters urged them not to sign with Don King, but Catroni urged them to sign after King paid for Catroni's lawyers. Sure.
Starting point is 00:44:22 Yeah. Don't sign with that man. I'll pay for your lawyers. Sign with that man. Sign with that man. So he bought it. King bought himself some influence on the boys is what he did. And the Hilton signed with them.
Starting point is 00:44:34 Then came a leaked report from a commission of inquiry into organized crime in 1986. It said the brothers careers were controlled by Frank and Catroni. And it was he who had them signed with king that came out in the report later on and dave senior later said the deal with king was a mistake and he said that this did you know katroni was just a family friend that had nothing to do with it though yeah nothing to do with don king paying for his lawyer so that's totally fine jan January 22nd, 85, slamming Sammy Horn, who's 28 and 5. And this fight ends in the third round when Horn doesn't come out for the third round.
Starting point is 00:45:11 So that's that. February 85, Davey, by the way, this is his friend, Horn, I guess. And there was a problem. And there was a problem. He goes to a bar owned by a fighter friend of his who had to intervene to prevent Hilton from attacking another bar patron. Oh. This guy ended up breaking his leg in the fall. So this is when Dave Sr. quits drinking for good, for good.
Starting point is 00:45:42 For real, for real this time. The first time was for real, for real. But this time is like for real, for real got it now yeah yeah now it's for real so march 15th 85 he fights dennis fane who's 4 and 12 coming into this fight that's not going to last long no second round knockout uh three round three knockdown rules so he just knocked the shit out of this guy till they had to wave it off yeah he fights Dennis Horn here. I guess Sammy Horn might be a relative. I'm not sure here.
Starting point is 00:46:10 He fights him, beats him anyway. Beats him too. So anybody named Horn, he'll beat up. 23-0. October 22nd, 1985, Hilton family lawyer Frank Schuffe is shot dead in his office. What? Yeah, that's interesting.
Starting point is 00:46:26 Then, a drunk Davey, he's drunk as shit the next day, okay? He walks into a bar on Crescent Street with a rifle, which usually you can't take those in bars. No. They don't like it when you have rifles. You certainly shouldn't do it, yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:41 It makes people uncomfortable. What is this, fucking Tombstone? You can't just be wandering. Even Tombstone, you had to check your guns. Even you had to leave behind the bar. Couldn't do that. You could just hang out with a rifle. That's weird. And he threatens in a very loud and belligerent and threatening manner, because he's a professional
Starting point is 00:46:58 boxer who also has a rifle, that he is going to, quote, kill every Italian in this place. Uh-oh. So so i feel like he's fighting with his wife so i'm gonna say if i had to guess real mad at the wife a little mad at the wife on this one so threatened to kill every italian in the place okay so police find the rifle in davy's car but no one comes forward as a witness. Wonder why. Because they're Italian. No one tells on him. So there you go. Davey is charged with drunk driving, because they pull him over, they
Starting point is 00:47:31 find the rifle, but no one, they can't charge him with that, but he is drunk when they find him driving with the rifle. So he's fined $400 and loses his driver's license for 90 days. He's also 20 pounds overweight now. Is that right? He's been drinking a a lot he's been drinking and i guess planning to kill italians that's his main that's all he's been doing lately rather than
Starting point is 00:47:52 training so march of 86 he hasn't fought since june of 85 and he wants out of his contract with don king that's the other thing maybe he's mad at uh you know mad at the the other guy at frank i'm not sure so he wants out he's in the top five welterweights at this point rank in the rankings he's notes that his contract called for purses of twenty thousand dollars for his first two bouts in 85 followed by fifty thousand dollars for each subsequent appearance wow which if they're if he's drawing crowds it's not a lot of money for a boxing match Which if he's drawing crowds, that's not a lot of money for a boxing match. Yeah, because he's fighting in places
Starting point is 00:48:29 that hold a lot more than enough to pay him 50 grand. If you're the headliner at the forum, and especially Don King, because there's TV deals tied in, HBO boxing, there's all sorts of different money tied into this. What year is this? This is 86. Yeah, there's plenty of money to go around. Plenty of money at this point.
Starting point is 00:48:48 There's pay-per-view starting up soon and everything. So he was offered instead though for that he was offered $5,000 for an undercard bout. So he said I'm not doing that. I'm not fighting an undercard bout for five grand. That's fucking bullshit. You know. You book me to headline
Starting point is 00:49:03 I'm not opening. That's what it is. As a comic you comic you get that no i'm not featuring for that guy fuck him i'm gonna make less while he makes more fuck that guy i'm not taking that money i want that money and i'll work for it that's it so he said he'll wait until january 87 to fight because that's when his contract expires oh i'll wait it out a year and a half. So 1986, Davey riding his motorcycle, which again, very wise for a professional athlete. Uh, and he crashes it into a tree obviously and breaks his leg and that keeps him from fighting for almost two years. So nevermind that. Yeah. It doesn't really matter with that contract. So cause it's over and he's got a broken leg. Does that feel on purpose?
Starting point is 00:49:45 No way he did that on purpose, right? Or is he that psycho to do that? I feel like he probably got drunk and hit a fucking tree because he doesn't care. Yeah. I was like, yeah, two years to heal, whatever. I don't care. Yep. When the bones healed, now he's 40 pounds overweight, by the way.
Starting point is 00:49:59 Oh, shit. Yeah, it's not going well at this point. Shit. Yeah, it's not going well at this point. Now, September 10th, 1986, Stuart, his brother, who was 4-0 at this time, is 18 years old. And he's almost 18. He's 17. He's in a car crash here with the mother of his child, who's also 17.
Starting point is 00:50:23 All these people have kids when they're 17. This is crazy here. His wife or girlfriend, mother of his child, is in 11th grade at a French language high school. Wow. And they crash the car and are both killed in the accident. What the fuck? Stuart and the girl. And they leave behind an eight-month-old son. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:50:43 Yeah. They're planning on getting married in a few weeks. Of course they were. Of course they were. And there we go. Stewart had no license and was speeding as well. Okay. When he crashed his Mazda into a bridge abutment near the family home.
Starting point is 00:50:58 That's why they make you get a license first, so you don't crash into a fucking bridge abutment. We don't bet that thing's an RX-7, too, those fast monsters you probably yeah i'm sure it wasn't one of the fucking wasn't like the little trucks from back in the day the little like 68 horsepower pickups that they had in the early 87 i don't know it's an 86 rx7 right i think so yeah they're pretty cool yeah i think they were out the 626s were pretty all right back then. Yeah, but that RX-7 was a fucking rotary motor. Those things were fast as shit. It was like it was the competitive of the 300Z. As I say, it was almost Datsun Z.
Starting point is 00:51:33 Mazda's 280Z is all it was. Yeah, they were cool, though. I liked those. I always looked at them, and now I see those, and I was like, wow, I couldn't fit in that if I wanted to. I'm lucky this isn't 1987. I might buy one of those,, I couldn't fit in that if I wanted to. Well, I'm lucky this isn't 1987. I might buy one of those, and I couldn't. So, yeah, he crashed into that. Don King was at the funeral, by the way.
Starting point is 00:51:52 Really? Yeah, because he was 4-0. Stewart was signed with him. He was one of his fighters. Now, January 22, 1988, finally, Davey's going to fight again. And he fights a guy named Hector Rosario who goes as Tito so Hector Tito Rosario
Starting point is 00:52:09 2-7 career fighter 2-7 coming in 4-22 career this is on the Tyson Holmes undercard in Atlantic City yeah so he said quote I have a lot of regrets I've been mixed up for a year and a half or two my bike accident my brother being killed. I had too many friends in this town and was spending too much time hanging out in discos.
Starting point is 00:52:33 This man fought on a Tyson undercard. watch Tyson Holmes. I'm sure I watched The Undercard when I was little anyway. I just don't remember because it was 7 or some shit. 8, 10, 9, whatever. So yeah, it's a long time ago. So this is he wins this fight, by the way, with a decision. So he goes all 10 with a guy
Starting point is 00:52:56 who's 4 and 22 for his career. So maybe he has been in discos too much. Alex, by the way, who's arrested constantly on drunk driving charges. Alex loves to drunk drive. He was serving six months on a drunk driving charge in 88 when he's then sentenced to five years in prison for shit that happened in jail. He apparently was presiding over the prison's kangaroo court. What?
Starting point is 00:53:26 Alex was? Alex was apparently in charge of the jail cell block here because he's a professional fighter. So he'd kick the shit out of everybody is why. So they had a kangaroo court where if you did something, you know, I don't know, left a shit in the toilet for too long and they would have a thing and a penalty like they have for sports teams, kangaroo courts and shit where in this kangaroo court he found the perpetrator guilty and sentenced him to sexual assault to being sexually assaulted what is which is a crime which is absolutely a crime so he's then sentenced to five years in prison for doing this. He's in there on a DWI charge for fuck's sake.
Starting point is 00:54:06 You're having people. Sentencing men to rape? Yeah. What are you doing? What the fuck is wrong with you? Wow. You're in for six months, bro. And you're already that deep into it.
Starting point is 00:54:17 Wouldn't you be like, I don't fucking care what's going on. I'm out of here in a couple months. So I'm trying to just stay on the periphery. I don't care if he shits in your mouth. I don't want anything to do with this. I'm not getting that involved. I'm out of here in four months, man. I don't care. Come near me,
Starting point is 00:54:32 I'll whoop your ass. I'm a good fighter. That sounds like a man who enjoys watching men get ripped. Sounds like it's a man who enjoys what he's doing. He doesn't have to. He could say, leave me the motherfucker alone or I'll start kicking the shit out of everybody
Starting point is 00:54:45 and they go, leave Alex the fuck alone. No one would talk to him for six months. That's a man that said, I'll preside and they were like, no you won't.
Starting point is 00:54:52 I'll preside. And he threw his hat up in the air. Yeah. It landed there. Someone picked it up and he, oh, I guess he's presiding. He just kicked the shit
Starting point is 00:55:01 out of that guy. That's the man who wants to preside over this. Yeah. He loves it. He's like, I'll say who's doing the raping around here. What would you say if somebody shit in the toilet and didn't flush it?
Starting point is 00:55:11 Well, I would say he probably needs to get raped. He'll be the judge. I think he's good for this. I think he's the guy. That's our guy. Next up, he fights Ron the Stormin' Mormon Adminson. I like that a lot. The Stormin' Mormon.
Starting point is 00:55:24 Wasn't that Sean Bradley? Wasn't it? Oh, yeah, they did, didn't they? That was a couple years later, though. That was like the early 90s. I don't think he liked it. I don't think he liked it either. I mean, it's something.
Starting point is 00:55:34 What else are you going to call him? This guy is 13-0 coming into this fight. So he's something. And this goes all the way to the end here to a decision, unanimous decision for Davey, though. He's 25-0-1. Hell of a record. Next up, he fights Steve Lightning Little.
Starting point is 00:55:51 And this goes unanimous decision. All ten rounds again. Next up, guess who's back. Who is it? No. His name. Did we not? Huh?
Starting point is 00:56:01 Gagginon. Did we? Yeah. What was his first name? I don't know. Dave? Bobby? This guy, it must be a brother or something.
Starting point is 00:56:09 His name, Jimmy, I can't make this up. We've had too much of this. Yeah. His name is Richard Gagginon. Get out of here. You can't name your kid Dick Gagginon. He has to be a boxer. He has to be.
Starting point is 00:56:22 He has no choice. He's fighting a lot. He's fighting a lot. He's fighting a lot. His name is Gaggonon, Dick. You can't not fight if your name is Gaggonon, Dick. At roll call, that's what they call you. Yeah. Gaggonon, Dick.
Starting point is 00:56:37 Gaggonon, Dick. Where are you at? No. Gaggonon, Dick. His name is Gaggonon, Dick, Jimmy. That's awesome. Fuck me. He's eight and two coming into this fight, and this will be the last fight of his career.
Starting point is 00:56:49 He'll be free to go gag on whatever he wants after this. It's a first-round knockout for Davey. Gagging on Dick is his name? That's incredible. That's the worst name we've ever heard on this show. How do you not have the self-awareness? Gagging on? In Small Town Murder last week, we had we had dick worst who was the lawyer and then we had another oh dick swallow the one guy's name
Starting point is 00:57:12 was we've had dick gagging on and dick swallow in the same like calendar two weeks this is fucking ridiculous universe not making it so easy October 25th 1990 Ali I guess Alan with an I Alan Banami he's 5 and 0 coming into this fight and this goes all 10 rounds it's a split decision loss for Davey
Starting point is 00:57:38 it's his first loss but it's a split decision yeah 27 1 and 1 so when you lose your fight 6 months later you got to figure out something to do with yourself sure you could fight more yeah to make money or you and your brother matthew could go to a duncan donuts on saint john's boulevard and rob it of 1644. $164. They fucking robbed Dunkin' Donuts in the middle of the night at 2.30 in the morning.
Starting point is 00:58:12 They came way too early. Yeah, it was 2.30. For a hundred and how much? $164. $164. That's like the change that they put in the drawer so that you can get through a shift. That's nothing. That they put in the drawer so that you can get through a shift. That's nothing.
Starting point is 00:58:31 And there's him, his brother Matthew, and then they were driven away in a black Ford Taurus driven by a guy named Robert Dooley. So you're going to split it three ways. Oh, Jesus. That's like $53 each and some change. That is garbage. You've got to grab some Long Johns on your way out. Yeah, they got caught, obviously. Oh, Jesus God. you can't rob dunkin donuts you can't can you be thrown in jail for that i mean it's sort of robbery it's dunkin
Starting point is 00:58:57 donuts but yeah yeah they're they're charged with armed robbery. Wow. Wearing a disguise for purposes of committing a crime, possessing an unregistered.22 caliber rifle, and conspiracy to commit armed robbery. Canada passed a law that if you put on a disguise to commit a crime, it ups the charge. It ups the charge. It's an aggravator. I love it. You made yourself, yeah, you tried to make yourself obf know, obfuscated so he couldn't see your face. So there you go. Have some balls and do it with your face out is what they say.
Starting point is 00:59:33 That's very Canadian. Have some dick and gag on it. So the Dave Sr. here, oh, by the way, they're going to change their, first they plead not guilty. And then they're going to change their plea to guilty after that. Because they're dead to rights, Scott. The wait is over. So far, you're not losing.
Starting point is 00:59:54 The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that. Ding! The queen of the courtroom is back. I didn't do anything. You wouldn't know the truth if it came up and slapped you in the face. I see he's not intimidated by anything. I can fix that.
Starting point is 01:00:11 New cases. She wanted to fight me. Leave her alone. Okay, so, um... This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes, Your Honor.
Starting point is 01:00:24 You married his cousin. His brother. That you sleep with her? Yes, Your Honor. You married his cousin. His brother. That's not him. Yes, ma'am. I would make a beeline for the door. The Emmy Award winning series returns. How did I know that? I have a crystal ball in my head.
Starting point is 01:00:38 It's an all new season. It's streaming. You can say anything. Judy Justice. Only on Freebie so dave senior he says you try to do your best but they're 25 and 27 years old and i can't tell them to go to bed and what time to get up in the morning i'm shocked okay so they are sentenced to you sirs may fuck off six months for the holdup in this area here. Six months.
Starting point is 01:01:08 Yeah, I mean, again, how do you stiffly punish somebody for $150? $164 that they barely got. So they said a man wearing a nylon stocking mask walked into the donut shop at about 2.30 with a pistol in his hand, is what the police guy said. He asked the cashier for money, and she handed over about $150. There was one other employee and two customers in the restaurant at the time. Cashier called 911, gave the emergency operator a description of the car they drove away in, as well as part of the license plate. So they were caught quickly, because there's not a lot of cars on the road at 2.30 in the morning either, so you don't blend
Starting point is 01:01:46 in very much. Patrol cars responding spotted the car as they were driving to it. They spotted them driving away from it and stopped it after a short chase, though. Short chase, and they're taken into custody. With a panty on, is that? Son,
Starting point is 01:02:02 you got a panty on your head. Now that's then. He's fighting again by november oh so they do their six months quick and they're out so he fights anthony oh my god anthony poison ivory oh no no no it's not. Ivory is the least poisonous thing. Right. It's amazing. They make a soap called ivory because they go, it's pure. That's poison.
Starting point is 01:02:34 Wow. He's eight and six coming in. His career record, this guy does not take a hint. Well, he should be. Anthony doesn't take a hint. Well, ivory. He's 32, 78 and six career. That's a lot of no. That's a lot of no that's a lot of bad days that's a lot of coming home going i really got my ass kicked tonight maybe next time boy a lot of trips to the
Starting point is 01:02:55 emergency room a lot of brain scans 66 of your time you leave the house for this event you come back disappointed you're coming back so you're coming home sad so this is a unanimous decision after 10 rounds next fight against ricky time bomb thomas here okay apparently the bomb didn't go off quite in time because it goes to distance and a split decision win for davey next up steve langley he fights uh 15 and 16 coming in. This guy knocks him out in the eighth round. Next up, Aaron Smith, 8 and 8 coming into this fight. He never wins another fight, by the way. He's 8, 8 and 1 coming in. 8, 17 and 1 for his career.
Starting point is 01:03:35 Jesus, this is a unanimous decision. Ten rounds. Davey is 31, 1 and 1 at this point. And this is when they get sentenced to their time. Before that, they needed to, I guess, make some lawyer money, get some money in the meantime, so he was fighting as much as he could. Those fights came fast and furious. February, April, May, boom, boom, boom.
Starting point is 01:03:54 So, yeah, he's sentenced there. The funny part is they were arrested 10 minutes after the robbery, so they didn't even make it that far. Yeah, just 10 minutes, that's it. And they said that the girl who called the police that worked there stayed on the phone with the police and they intercepted the car on the Trans-Canada Highway. They said they found $164 in loose bills in the car, the exact amount missing from the cash drawer. That's all they had. That's all they had.
Starting point is 01:04:23 Yep. And Matthew was recovering from an eye operation. And Robert Dooley pleaded guilty. And we don't know what he got here. But six months for Davey. So there we go. February 11th, 93. Fitzgerald Bruni he fights. And knocks him out in the seventh round.
Starting point is 01:04:40 So he's 32-1-1. March 5th, 93 here. Davey is arrested again. Yeah. He is arrested and he's going to end up doing 14 days in jail or being sentenced to 14 days in jail for driving while intoxicated here. He likes to drive drunk, I feel like. That's his thing. It's going to be a common thing.
Starting point is 01:05:05 drunk i feel like that's his thing it's gonna be a common yeah thing he did it i guess before he did it while he was out on bail as well and was falling 250 after pleading guilty to violating bail conditions awesome and uh yeah he's done he's he keeps fucking up he's done quite a bit here so september 2nd 1993 there's a warrant out for davy's arrest. And yeah, Matthew, I guess, has a bail hearing as well. I'll read the article. Matthew Hilton's bail hearing got off to a rocky start yesterday when boxing promoter Henry Spitzer did not show up in court. Matthew Hilton's lawyer, Alan Gutman, says he wants the promoter to testify that if his client is released on bail, he'll begin training for a boxing match in October. client is released on bail he'll begin training for a boxing match in october hilton is in custody awaiting the outcome of a trial in which he's charged with his younger brother jimmy in beating up three new brunswick men outside a point claire bar these brothers are fucking menaces to society
Starting point is 01:05:57 yeah they are yeah a warrant has also been issued for the arrest of brother davey in the same incident so all three of the brothers beat the shit out of people. Three men. Yeah. Yeah. So watch me beat all four of those guys up. Wow. Matthew Matthew's denied bail because he was arrested while on probation for a
Starting point is 01:06:15 1991 armed robbery. So that's not great. Now, December 1993, Alex is charged with attempted murder in Cornwall, Ontario, after he robs two different homes of $16,000. Oh. I guess two different homes were robbed of $16,000 by five armed bandits. And guess who's arrested? Alex and Davey Jr. Oh, Davey Jr. is there's there too of course he is they
Starting point is 01:06:47 do everything together they're that's the way they do it they're arrested at a local hotel and uh it's a it's a big mess but this will drag on till 1995 when it finally gets dropped for lack of uh lack of evidence is that right i'm gonna say if they're around and something happens you can pretty much just charge them with it probably. Something bad happens, they probably had something to do with it. And how did they know that there was money sitting around? That's a lot of money. Cash.
Starting point is 01:07:15 Yeah. To be just sitting around in two houses? They knew what they were doing. They knew what they were robbing. That seems like maybe there's, I don't know, drug people involved, something like that. So between 91 and 93, they both kept getting arrested for drunk driving, bail violation charges. They'd get prisoned for a week, a month. They'd get sent back and forth.
Starting point is 01:07:42 Dave June Davey, he said, quote, anytime any of us drinks, you know, it ends up bad news. Yeah. Yeah. Stop drinking, all of you., it ends up bad news. Yeah. Yeah. Stop drinking. All of you. You guys don't just drink. You fucking try to destroy yourselves. You open up your throat and take down 12 ounces of fucking Glenlivet at once.
Starting point is 01:07:55 That's what you do. That's why. I know how you drink. I've seen it. And none of you are doing it for the enjoyment. Nope. I've seen it. I've smelled it and it's not good. It's gross. It's gross.
Starting point is 01:08:05 It's gross. So March 29, 1994, Matthew and Jimmy, who are 28 and 22 respectively, are found guilty of assault causing bodily harm following the fight outside the Point Claire bar. The duo beat up three tourists from New Brunswick in a parking lot outside Cheers Bar. Well, cheers to that, everybody. Matthew was on parole for his 1991 robbery there. Davey is also charged, but was only located five months later in Cornwall, Ontario. Jimmy began the incident by accusing one of the three men of being an undercover police officer. Okay.
Starting point is 01:08:44 The man was a minor, not like a young person, a guy who goes into mines and pulls stuff out of it. Not a cop. A fucking minor. Matthew allegedly threw the first punch as well. The three brothers beat and kicked one of the men until he lost consciousness. What does it matter if he's a cop or not?
Starting point is 01:09:01 Isn't it legal to drink? Well, if he is a cop, do you think the three of you beating the shit out of a cop in the fucking street is a good idea for you legally yeah it's almost like if he said yeah i am a cop they'd go oh shit sorry then i guess i'll take you to jail you fucking idiot i'll call other cops and they'll come take you to jail that's how cops work once you start beating them up and they don't call for backup, you can assume he's not a cop at that point. Probably not a cop.
Starting point is 01:09:31 And you're probably going to find out in court that he's not a cop. Yeah. Either way, can't beat people in parking lots, cop or not. You can't go, well, I thought he was a cop. And then the courts will go, oh, well, that's all right then. Hey, everybody thought he was a cop. Take the cuffs off him. Come on. Losing him up, everybody thought he was a cop. How about that? Take the cuffs off him. Come on.
Starting point is 01:09:46 Loosen him up. He thought he was a cop. That's better. He thought he was beating up a peace officer, you guys. It's okay. Totally cool. Undercover, too, so it's fine. June 15, 1994, a bench warrant is issued for the arrest of Matthew Hilton after he failed to appear in court for sentencing on the assault charge.
Starting point is 01:10:04 of Matthew Hilton after he failed to appear in court for sentencing on the assault charge. He was supposed to appear with Jimmy, who did show up and was sentenced to 45 weekends in prison. What? 45 weekends. You could do that? I guess so. Just the weekends for assault on these people. Treat your sentence like a divorced dad?
Starting point is 01:10:21 Yeah, like you get that on the weekends freedom during the week but i don't i guess i don't know i guess that you do that at the end of sentences sometimes where you'll have to like do weekends in jail it's like a work release program or something but i've never heard of that as the sentence your honor i'd like to serve my sentence uh Monday, 8 to 2, until whatever time. I don't get. And can we have barbecues while I'm in? We can. Okay, good.
Starting point is 01:10:50 That's good. I sentence you to 387 hours in the joint. Cool. Just be served at your leisure. Okay, I'm going to go in there and have guys rape each other. Okay, sounds good. All right, bye. Just be served at your leisure. At your leisure leisure he's treating his sentence like it's pto
Starting point is 01:11:09 use it up by the end of the year now you gotta use it or lose it man sorry um he's dave senior was there and he said i have no idea where matthew is i haven't seen him since january he's probably out of town and too busy. Too busy to be sentenced to his prison sentence. I just slipped my mind. I'm busy. I had other stuff going on. Holy shit. So Matt's lawyer also didn't appear in court.
Starting point is 01:11:33 Really? So that means that no one planned to be there because the lawyer would show up and go, I don't know where the fuck the client is. It was later learned that he had gone to the hospital, the lawyer did, for treatment of bursitis. What is that? That sounds gross. I think it's in your back. I'm not sure. I could be wrong. It's either your back or your foot.
Starting point is 01:11:50 It has to be. Sounds like something in your nuts. Or your nuts. They're just big swollen nuts. Hardening of some urethra or some vessel that gets things to the tip. Urethral heart and heart hang, I believe is what they call it. That's bursitis. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 01:12:08 So, October 22nd, 1996, he fights, Davey fights, Hughes Dajano. Yes, Hughes Dajano, who's 15 and 8, and he gets beat here. Davey beats him. KO in the fourth round, 33 and 1. December 17th,
Starting point is 01:12:23 1996, Alan Banami again again i guess yeah same guy he fights him this is a draw goes the whole entire goes 10 rounds and it's it's a split decision draw drawn the judge's card so that's what you get that is annoying as fuck so yeah 33 one and two at this or 34 one and two no 33 no he fights him again 33 then he fights him again and then he beats him with a unanimous decision all right so it goes he likes to go the distance with that guy 34 one and two next up derrick graham split decision in an eight round fight beats him uh this is in westchester in fucking new york here yeah in white plains Really? New York here. Yeah, in White Plains. 35-1-2 now. 1998, July. Alex Hilton has now tried for, because he went back to jail, he's tried for 17 charges stemming from sexual assaults and beatings in prison.
Starting point is 01:13:20 That's all he does. That's what he does. He goes around and fucking- he's one of the sisters yeah he's the guy that you need to worry about it's this guy so he was serving six months for assault and parole violations he's not in there for 25 fucking years he's in there for six months and he gets 17 charges for either beating or raping people. Oh, my God. He and fellow inmate Peter Lorre, not the actor, I don't think, were accused of sexually assaulting Russell Jensen, 23,
Starting point is 01:13:55 a convicted child molester, on three occasions. I mean, I get the fucking – I get the point, but he should know because he already got busted for this once. Leave that for somebody that's a lifer you got six months to go six months jesus christ um alex did not participate in the offenses which included fellatio sodomy and masturbation oh alex is also charged with three other uh with three other people in the beatings of Thomas Kitty, who I hope he wasn't a fucking child molester. His name's K-I-D-D-I-E. I mean, Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 01:14:29 Who spent five weeks in the hospital with a ruptured spleen after a beating. So Hilton is sentenced to five years in December. His lawyer blames Hilton's problems on a bad marriage. What? Is she in there too? Listen, you can blame a bad marriage for a lot of shit. You can't. Credit being fucked up, this happening,
Starting point is 01:14:51 you're sad, you have trouble trusting people. I like to watch people get raped as in part of I had a bad marriage. She complains at me so much. I need to watch a guy. I need to see forced sodomy. I have to.
Starting point is 01:15:07 If I don't see it, I'm not going to be happy. There's only so many times you're being told, take the trash out, before you say, I'm going to make a man rape another man. That's all I got left. What else can I do? Blood from a stone, darling. I got nothing else for you. blood from a stone darling i got nothing else for you so many times i can hear leave them in the mud room before i'm like you know what i'm gonna make a man suck another man's dick it's gonna happen i'm gonna sentence him to that
Starting point is 01:15:36 so judge pierre broussard described hilton as quote quote, vicious and heartless. Yeah. And he said he failed to take advantage of clemency from previous judges. Now, his lawyer, though, said at 21 he got married. That's when the problem started. He wasn't able to deal with it. What? He hasn't been able to process his desire to watch a man cry. Getting married made it weird for him. I am perplexed at this man i don't know this is a wild defense i'm having a hard time finding the through line on this defense it's tough i'm looking for it don't get me wrong
Starting point is 01:16:17 but i really just don't see i'm gonna rob a dunkin donuts and make people rape each other because i shouldn't have got married at 21. My wife has a bad call. Because she just spends and spends and spends. You know, nag, nag, nag. I need to watch a guy force another guy to blow him. I have to. If I don't see that, it's.
Starting point is 01:16:38 We're going to your mother's fuck. Wow, Jesus Christ. No, you know what? It's fine. It's fine. Someday I'll just make a guy rape another guy it's fine it's fine don't worry about it that's what you've driven me to sodomy everything everything i don't know whatever he had masturbation what is that like you you
Starting point is 01:16:57 force him to jerk you off or like you jerk him off against his i don't think it's that i don't think part of some kind of prison punishment would be i'm gonna jerk you off now you don't like that do you it's probably the other way around your sentence to callous to hand orgasms you ready i don't think that you're gonna come and you're gonna enjoy it pal juggling the balls how's that you? You hate it, right? You hate it, don't you? October 14th, 1998, Joe Stevenson. He fights 16-9, coming in and knocks Stevenson out in the fourth round. Next up, Stefan Ouellette, known as La Poet.
Starting point is 01:17:37 Oh. Oh, that's great. Is that Stefan from SNL? Wonderful. La Poet? La Poet gets TKO'd in the 12th round. I'm sure. It was not a slap fight? What? He gets a la concussion at the end of this
Starting point is 01:17:53 fight, and that's what happens. He hit me. This isn't fair. This isn't fair. I was trying to write something about a pretty woman in the second row, and he... I was trying to compare her hair to something other than golden fields of wheat and i just i got lost in my own simile and metaphor and i got punched in the face couldn't do it amongst the flurry of punches it's just too much it's just
Starting point is 01:18:17 too much april 16th 1999 davey is arrested for sexual assault. Okay. Now he's doing it. That's not good. This is Davey. Yeah, the other brother was in prison doing it. This is Davey now. He has sexual assault charges involving, quote, two young girls.
Starting point is 01:18:38 Uh-oh. Yes. Same time? He's 35 at that point. Just in the paper at this point, we have the whole the whole story but in the beginning it just comes out we're gonna we're gonna feed it to you like it was fed to the public with a rubber spoon two young girls yeah gross making airplane noises coated spoon so you don't bite your little teeth do you think they do that in prison for you make an airplane noise as the dickicks coming toward you at least.
Starting point is 01:19:07 Come on, open up. Train's going in the tunnel. Choo choo. Come on. That's terrible. He says it says the 34 year old accompanied or 35 year old accompanied by his lawyer turned himself in to Montreal urban community police late at yesterday afternoon shortly after a warrant was issued for his arrest. Hilton, a former Canadian welterweight champion, was the subject
Starting point is 01:19:30 of police investigations in Florida of course, and in Quebec. But the charges he faces in Montreal relate only to the incidents in the Montreal area. Hilton is to be charged today with nine counts, including sexual assault, sexual touching and sexual interference.
Starting point is 01:19:48 I don't know what that is. That seems like it would be stopping people from. Right. Edging is illegal. Yeah, I guess. Both victims were under the age of 14 when some of the alleged crimes were committed. OK. Oh, he's fighting still don't worry may 28th 1999 he fights stefan ole again here um this is a tko in the third round he's 38 one and two next up whenever he gets arrested he's like i gotta get some fights in yeah um next up
Starting point is 01:20:21 he fights eddie hall who's 26 and17. Unanimous decision, 10 rounds. Nobody cares about this at this point. 39-1. He fights Stefan again after that and loses a unanimous decision. Okay, 39-2. Next up, he fights Dingan Thobia, alias The Rose of Soweto. That's a mouthful of a handle there 40 and 7 coming in and he gets beat here as davey wins a split decision in all 12 rounds and um there we go
Starting point is 01:20:53 he's 40 2 and 2 and now he's on trial okay um let's see here uh we'll give you the details as we go but from fe February 12, 2001, the title of this article is, Sex Trial Details Boxer's Lifestyle. Lifestyle. Lifestyle. How he lives. We'll talk about that. Quote, the children didn't go to school. Their father drank until
Starting point is 01:21:17 the wee hours, hung out with relatives of mobsters, and dragged his kids from house to house to motels to training facilities. As the sex trial of Dave Hilton Jr. resumes here today, even defense testimony has painted a grim picture of the dissolute life of one of Canada's most talented boxers. Jesus, Mr. Hilton, the World Boxing Council super middleweight champion, right now, is charged with sexually assaulting two teenage girls even aside from the
Starting point is 01:21:46 criminal allegations the trial has given observers an unflattering glimpse into mr hilton's drunken nomadic existence in the second half of the 90s he and his family spent time shuttling between a half dozen different locations in montreal suburbs in small-town Ontario, and in Florida. Oh, boy. The four children, all of them still in their teens, didn't go to school past 12. Yeah. And the older daughter sometimes spent weeks on the road with him while he trained. At times, he could afford a grand lifestyle,
Starting point is 01:22:25 heading to Florida with his pals to watch a Mike Tyson fight with a side trip to Las Vegas. At other times he lived in trailer parks and worked in construction. Yep. Yeah. This is all, this is all fallen into place. Yeah. This is all click, click,
Starting point is 01:22:35 click. Yeah. Um, among his entourage were relatives of two brutal New York underworld figures, Jimmy Coonan, now serving a 75 year sentence for murder and racketeering and the late eddie the butcher kaminsky eddie the butcher um some of them stayed at his house for weeks hanging out in montreal's bars until last call then heading home after 3 30 a.m
Starting point is 01:22:58 other friends and two brothers also testified that they often went drinking for days and days until the bars closed and they passed out in a motel room or on a basement floor. Jesus. This is living. We've seen this lifestyle be lived by these people. You know what I mean? By a traveler. Not that all travelers do that, but we watch this lifestyle. At the expense and peril of your own body and health.
Starting point is 01:23:24 It's wild. Drinking himself to death. We were watching him. To watched this lifestyle. At the expense and peril of your own body and health, it's wild. Drinking himself to death. We were watching him. To death, yeah. He went to the doctor saying your liver is going to explode if you don't stop doing this. You're going to die if you don't stop. And they're still doing it, though. Other friends, and they said that in one puzzling moment, Mr. Hilton's mother, Jean, testified that he and his wife and their four children showed up at her apartment one morning at about 4 a.m.
Starting point is 01:23:49 There was no explanation as to why the whole family was out in the middle of the night. They were just like, hey, just stopping by. Like, it's four o'clock in the morning. Morning. Morning. Hi. I don't smell any bacon cooking, but, you know, if you could get on that. All these revelations came as for days the trial
Starting point is 01:24:06 heard graphic testimony about alleged sexual abuse many of the details cannot be reported for legal reasons at the time the trial revealed that during sex mr hilton i don't know if this is this is what the gotta be davy right this is dav Yeah, this is Davey's trial. During sex, not with the children, but this is sex. Oh, his own thing. You know, with adults, I would hope. During sex, Mr. Hilton would strap an elastic band on his genitals to prevent one testicle from retracting. Huh. Is that what that is? If your ball goes up in you, but pop.
Starting point is 01:24:43 I guess that's his trigger. He's trying to keep himself from coming. I don't know what that is? If your ball goes up in you? That's his trigger? He's trying to keep himself from coming? I don't know what that means. But if his ball, I don't, he doesn't want his ball to go up in him? Yeah, that's the one that. I guess. When he gets real excited, it pops up inside. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:24:58 I guess. I don't know. His current girlfriend said he always needed the elastic. Two former partners said he only used them sometimes. And two alleged victims said they didn't remember seeing it. So this was a big part of it. Did he put a fucking rubber band around his nutsack as a fucking part of this trial where they got multiple people to come up and try to fucking sort this out? Wow.
Starting point is 01:25:20 This is why you shouldn't do gross sexual things because then weird shit like this doesn't get on people testifying. Yeah. So the defense even introduced a urologist to say the condition was painful, but the physician conceded that intoxication or intense sexual pleasure could mask the discomfort without elastic. Oh. So it's fine. So when he's sober and he bangs, it retracts and that hurts. It hurts him for some reason. Whatever.
Starting point is 01:25:48 I don't know. It's got a short vas deferent. I don't know what it means. I guess. I mean, yanking him. I don't know. Outside the courtroom, he told reporters, Davey did, that he has and has had many mistresses and would never stoop to molesting kids.
Starting point is 01:26:07 Okay. I get plenty of adults? I get plenty of adults, Strange, is what he said. That's his defense. Yep. They said the only time he would curb his carousing was during training. For one fight, his mother recalled, five of the family members piled up for one month in a single room in a Super 8 motel in Toronto, which sounds like a nightmare. After winning the fight, however, quote, his brother Jimmy said, we went out on a bender.
Starting point is 01:26:32 We'd go out for a couple of days or weeks at a time. At a time. Weeks. We'd go to a hotel or motel, depending on how loaded we were. Wow. And they'd just get shit-faced. depending on how loaded we were. And they just get shit-faced.
Starting point is 01:26:50 They said they were celebrating at Montreal's famous Moshe's Steakhouse. After one victory, Davey called home and found that his eldest daughter had left her siblings alone, Jimmy said. And Davey said, quote, when I get home, I'm going to break your nose, he said to his daughter over the phone. Jesus. Interesting here. Davey's sister, Joanne, testified that she had trouble grasping the court terminology to describe a sworn statement. The judge asked her whether she understood what making a solemn declaration means.
Starting point is 01:27:17 And her grandmother shouted in because she was on a video conference. Quote, tell her you have an education. Tell her you know what that means. Another article said that his brother Jimmy rambled on in a contradictory way and in a manner that did little to help Davey's case at all. Basically hurt him. Called him for the defense and hurt him. March 17, 2001 is the verdict here.
Starting point is 01:27:43 It says Davey stood emotionless in court as he was found guilty of sexually assaulting two young girls. Oh, boy. His lawyer applied for bail so he could train for his next fight. What? Yeah. The judge said, I don't think so. Convicted of child rape. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:00 You're going to the maximum security detention center where you'll wait for sentencing arguments later on. Yeah. Right. You're going you're going to the maximum security detention center where you'll wait for sentencing arguments later on. Yeah. The prosecutor called the application for release, quote, almost indecent. Yeah. How fucking dare you? Given the fact that he had been found, quote, found guilty of one of the most serious crimes in the criminal code. He was convicted of all nine charges against him, including sexual assault, sexual interference and inviting sexual touching. And he could face 10 years in prison. Boy, delivering the verdict. The judge said that both victims were coherent, logical, spontaneous and credible. When while Hilton had a, quote, talent for improvisation.
Starting point is 01:28:43 They tell the truth. You're a fucking liar. He said, quote, I disbelieve the testimony of the I disbelieve the testimony of the accused and his and his defense did not raise any significant doubt in my mind. They said the girls are sisters who are both under the age of 14 at the time. They said their identities at the time could not be revealed. His lawyer said he might appeal. Maybe. I mean, wow.
Starting point is 01:29:12 He's convicted on everything. His lawyer, this guy, Paul Skolnick. I have to say his name because he's an idiot. Quote. Sounds like an asshole. Anyway, he gave it the good fight and he went down swinging he made fucking boxing references in his molestation trial wow he went down swinging unfortunately we didn't win the case but he gave it the good fight unbelievable holy shit um the wbc said he can retain his title until all appeals have been decided
Starting point is 01:29:47 wow unreal um as a world title holder he would have been expected to defend his crown by the end of may and could earn about 250 000 for another title fight which he's gonna fucking need his agent henry spitzer says Hilton's boxing career could be over. Quote, if he is sentenced to a long jail term, it's going to be a disaster for his career. That's for sure. He's 37 years old, and he's not going to get any younger.
Starting point is 01:30:14 Does this guy think he may get less than 10 years for raping two sisters? He apparently does. Now, while awaiting sentencing for sexual assault, his former brother in law, Arturo Gotti, starts talking shit about him publicly. Oh, really? Yeah. He said, quote, this is what Hilton says about Arturo Gotti. Now, Hilton says, quote, I hope Oscar De La Hoya puts him in a coma. I guess he was fighting Oscar De La Hoya. Yeah. puts him in a coma i guess he was fighting oscar delahoya yeah um you're awaiting sentencing for fucking wow um i guess he said he was mad at remarks that god he made last week about him
Starting point is 01:30:54 god he had expressed disgust at his crimes and said that he should spend the rest of his life in jail which is a not an unpopular statement to say you just molested two young girls for a period of time. You should certainly never walk the street again. I mean, it seems fair to me. It doesn't seem like a crazy statement to make. No, it seems like there's certainly several people that hold that same opinion. He didn't say you stole a pack of Orbitz gum from the Walgreens. We should put you in front of a firing squad.
Starting point is 01:31:26 This is different. Drag you down the street by your testicles from a Mazda. You know, I don't know. But this is interesting here. So that's why he's so mad, Dave, because he said that. He said something very, very, what everyone who has ever heard of the case said. So Gotti, I guess, is a former friend of the Hilton family and also, because they're all boxers,
Starting point is 01:31:48 and his sister is Dave's ex-wife, of course. Kind of his uncle of his children. Yeah, he said, this is Gotti Arturo, I would have been floored if the judge had acquitted him. Davey is a dangerous sexual predator and the justice system has to keep him out of society to protect other potential victims. A dangerous sexual predator is a great title for this.
Starting point is 01:32:09 Yeah, that tells me that Arturo has seen something else and he's aware of more than just those two incidents. Because, granted, yes, here are two of those incidents and you believe that person is probably a dangerous person. But if he thinks he's that dangerous, he's way worse he's he knows of him yeah um he he added quote that davy committed the most disgusting crimes imaginable even worse than some cases of murder a murder can be committed in legitimate defense sexual assault i mean yeah there are reasons to kill somebody you know what i mean but that's a guy that's very well aware of sometimes that he felt it was warrant. Yeah. He's like, I could kill a guy one day.
Starting point is 01:32:50 Don't get me wrong. But there's nothing that would make me stick my dick in a child. Right. That's the difference. That's what he's getting at. It makes sense. That's what he said. He said, but a sexual assault on a 12-year-old child is unforgivable.
Starting point is 01:33:01 I don't know how much time Davey will spend behind bars but in my opinion he should spend the rest of his life in jail. And he also warned Hilton to watch himself in jail because prisoners sometimes are tough on sexual predators. And Hilton said he wasn't worried because he didn't do anything. Two. Yep. And
Starting point is 01:33:20 while he's in jail he said no I haven't been bothered except by one or two guys. I'm not here to prove anything. I'm innocent. If I was guilty, I would have agreed to plead guilty and did two years in jail because I guess that's what they were offering him. One or two guys. Which one is it? One or two guys.
Starting point is 01:33:40 You're very well aware of who's tried to get you. Yeah. And again, not a guy who you would want to approach. This is a guy that you just go, that guy fucked kids, and then you avoid him. But you're not going to, you better bring a lunch and a bunch of your friends
Starting point is 01:33:54 and some shanks and a bunch of everything else because he will kick a bunch of guys' asses at the same time. For sure. Professional fighter to non-professional fighter is not the same, especially a boxer. Right.
Starting point is 01:34:09 A wrestler, you can only wrestle one person at once. Yeah. And then a guy can come up behind you and bash you over the head. A fucking boxer can knock five guys out in 10 seconds if he's good. I mean, it's not even a close match. And a street fight and a fist fight is one thing, but a guy that's capable of laying people down. It's dangerous, man. A pro fighter is dangerous. fight is one thing but a guy that's capable of laying people down dangerous man yeah pro fighters dangerous so he said i wouldn't have risked doing 15 or 14 years which is what he's up for he plans to appeal his conviction he insisted throughout the trial he's a victim of a conspiracy hatched by the two victims and their no good mother oh he said quote the mother asked me for two things, for money and that I plead guilty.
Starting point is 01:34:46 I said, no way. Mother just asked me to, you know, take responsibility for my actions. And I said, absolutely not. I will not do that. She asked me to admit what I did wrong. And I said, no, ma'am. No, ma'am. You will not get a dollar out of me and your children will never have their dignity again.
Starting point is 01:35:07 Never. So he is sentenced to you, sir, may fuck off seven years in prison he gets. Per, right? Seven years in prison. Not even a year per fucking charge? Nope. He got seven years. It was 14 was his max and he got seven. Wow. He's stripped of his boxing title, of course, because he can seven years it was 14 was his max and he got seven wow he's stripped of his boxing title of course because he can't defend it and so there he is he's led away in handcuffs
Starting point is 01:35:33 to begin serving his his sentence one thing uh though he says he is innocent as guards escorted him out of the prisoner's box he lashed out at his accusers saying that he's been framed wow the boxers this is from an article the boxers absence of remorse and undying vows of innocence were noted by quebec court judge roland matt as she handed down the seven-year term the full amount requested by the prosecutor i guess they asked for seven years. The judge said, quote, he was often more concerned by his entourage than by his testimony. She said that Mr. Hilton showed did not show any compassion toward his victims. And he said she also went on to say, I have no hesitation in concluding that they'll remain scarred for a long time outside the outside the courtroom dave's parents
Starting point is 01:36:26 gene and dave senior were out there here and uh they maintained his innocence as well yeah and gene said his only guilt is having a problem with alcohol is that right well if you get drunk and fuck kids then that's more of a problem here i think yeah even if yeah yeah even if i think the children fucking is certainly the problem. The tip top of the problem. That's it. During his testimony, he admitted that his memory was often clouded by alcohol binges that went on for days and weeks at a time. The judge also said alcohol was his toughest adversary, but she also said that there were numerous aggravating factors that contributed to his sentence, including the age of the girls and frequency of abuse.
Starting point is 01:37:07 One said she'd been abused almost daily. This isn't once. What the fuck? A constant, ongoing, systematic, ongoing thing. Seven years? Seven. Crazy. That's it.
Starting point is 01:37:24 His agent, Henry Spitzer, insisted that Hilton's sparring days aren't over. Uh-huh. Quote, you'll see him in the ring again. I don't know when, but he'll bounce back. The Hiltons, they always bounce back. Gross. Wow. Members of the family, obviously, have had a lot of issues, and this is one of them.
Starting point is 01:37:43 I mean, Jesus Christ. I mean, i don't i don't feel bad for him at all he can go fuck himself in prison but i do feel bad for dave hilton owner 10 point profitability profitability llc in philadelphia he's not a child molester also we can say he does work with clients helping them to grow personally and professionally to lead happier and more productive lives while not fucking kids. Every sentence should be while not having sex with kids, while not being attracted to children, while having no sexual desire for anyone under the age of 18. Zero proclivities for adolescents.
Starting point is 01:38:19 This is the worst one. David Hilton Jr. Oh, God. It's even a fucking junior utilities locator. Jimmy. What? That's Jimmy's old job there at USIC in Greater Houston. He works for USIC?
Starting point is 01:38:33 He's a locator. You might know this guy. Poor bastard. And then another Dave Hilton Jr. Yeah. Luckily, he's a black guy at least, so you're not going to confuse him for these people. But still, his name on a piece of paper. He to clemson and he's a he does fine for himself so i feel bad though there you go april 14th 2002 davy's appeal is denied good he was appealing to shorten his
Starting point is 01:38:58 sentence upset you literally got the shortest sentence i've ever heard of for systematically torturing two fucking 12-year-old girls. Young girls? Grubs. And childs. Them childs. So they rejected it. The judges ruled unanimously that the sentence should stand. I wish they could give him more time.
Starting point is 01:39:22 You're right. We calculated that so wrong. Wow. 30. Defense. Yeah, fuck it. The defense lawyer says he has no plans to appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada. He said, we're very disappointed, but we'll respect the decision of the court. In other words, Davey can't afford to appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada. And we don't want to make an ass of ourselves. We're going to shield that with saying that he's respecting the court's decision. I don't want to be disbarred or censured over this shit.
Starting point is 01:39:51 Oh my god. So August 13th, 2004. His victims come forward. They're now 20 and 21 at this point. Well, I'll just read the article for days in 2001 two young women stunned the public with their lurid account of relentless sexual assaults by canadian boxing star dave hilton jr now the two have disclosed jesus christ have disclosed a
Starting point is 01:40:19 secret likely to cause even deeper ripples of shock. What? It's his fucking daughters. Get out of here! He's been fucking his two daughters. He's been molesting his fucking children, his own flesh and blood children. His own two fucking daughters is who he was molesting. Daily. His own two fucking daughters.
Starting point is 01:40:39 Gross. Buck Zumhoff only fucked one of his daughters, at least. Is he the worst may it's he doubled it right he did double what that guy did yeah we've never had this before this is disgusting this is fucking disgusting at least buck uh hunted her down later and and tried to re-adopt this guy's kept her even oh god jesus buck never saw his daughter until she was like you know 17 or whatever but these fuck he fucking raised these
Starting point is 01:41:12 babies these are his two oldest daughters jimmy unbelievable this is jeannie uh jeannie and anne marie his two oldest really ah yeah jesus man so they wrote a book about it by the way which you can get which details we didn't take a lot from it, by the way, which you can get, which details, we didn't take a lot from it because it's pretty detailed. That's too much. It's going to make stuff a little less funny if we get into the details of it. Not that this is funny, but the whole episode, it's going to put a Paul on. He only got seven years for that?
Starting point is 01:41:40 Seven years. That makes it 10 times worse, in my opinion. Canada is way nicer than i thought imagine what you would do to a stranger kid get it you should at least give a fuck about your kids and you're willing to destroy them imagine what you would do to fucking stranger children this guy should be behind bars forever for this forever until we feel like it so um they said they want to break the silence dispel the shame that befell them, and debunk the star-like myths surrounding their father.
Starting point is 01:42:10 Here. One of them says, imagine the worst harm that a father can inflict on his children and multiply it by 10. That's what this man made us suffer during our childhood and adolescence. That's what Jeannie said. Framed by these children and their mother. Unbelievable.
Starting point is 01:42:24 That's your wife. Your wife and daughters. Gross. You can say your ex-wife, but not your daughters. No. They wouldn't fucking put themselves through this for that. The other sister said, Anne-Marie said, in my opinion, if this book can allow a single person to get out of the hell of violence and incest, she will have made her point. I share her opinion.
Starting point is 01:42:43 I feel it's also important for people to know the real Dave Hilton Jr., the monster hiding behind the man. Yikes. Yeah, this episode could have been a lot of reading from the book, but there's, you know. Speaking from Florida, the woman's mother, Anne-Marie Gotti, said her daughters decided to write the book after having children of their own. It was like therapy. They kept it in for a long time, but they felt they wanted to tell other kids, don't wait for years to speak out. During Mr. Hilton's sensational sexual assault trial, Jeannie and Anne-Marie, who were teenagers then,
Starting point is 01:43:13 testified about the depraved abuse they suffered for years, beginning at the age of 12. It turns composed and tearful, and they said the abuse began with kisses and evolved into full sexual relations with Mr. Hilton by the time they were 16. Yikes. Journalists were forbidden in the court from revealing
Starting point is 01:43:32 the identities of the teens who were minors. Their newly revealed relationship to Mr. Hilton helps explain why the abuse was so frequent. Yeah, it has to be a next-door neighbor or something otherwise. How the hell would you have that kind of access? Often occurring on the road while he pursued his boxing career.
Starting point is 01:43:48 That's why he took – remember he said his older daughter would come with him on the road to train? That's why. For years. Because he was molesting this poor girl. In the witness box, the teens described how they felt they no longer owned their own bodies. Mr. Hilton would even pit them in sexual contests to satisfy him against their will the court heard at the same time jimmy oh my god at the same time oh dear god that's not even fucking normal in the realm of fucking molesters
Starting point is 01:44:19 don't normally do that that's a he's a super molester that's a whole jesus take it up a notch with it's its own kids and then make it so he got them both at the same time on that is another level of fucking sick disgusting perverted asshole fucking nightmare person this is horrible this is certainly the worst person ever this is the way yeah i've never heard anybody worse than this anthony smith killed four people and i'd rather hang out with him than davey hilton jr in a fucking second we've had straight gangsters that murdered people we've had people killing their wives in horrible ways we've had a we've had pimps that were i'd rather hang out with any of these people than dave hilton jr both of your children at the same time what a fucking disgusting monster. Jesus Christ. So he said that his accusers are trying to frame him.
Starting point is 01:45:08 And he said that he enjoyed the handshakes of fans and autograph seekers every time he left the court. But, yeah, they said that the verdict of guilty sided with the young women, concluding that two very ordinary teenagers with very little schooling had given testimony that was credible and coherent. They both live in the U.S. now and have had counseling for their abuse. Jeannie is trying to get her nursing degree at the time in Florida. And Anne-Marie lived on an Army base in Chicago with her husband. So Jeannie has two young boys. Anne-Marie has one. She said, quote, this is Anne-Marie, the mother, quote, Jeannie wants to break the silence here.
Starting point is 01:45:45 Well, that's good. She knows there's a lot of kids who are victims of incest that think it's their fault. Jeannie feels that no matter what his jail sentence is, it will never pay for the damage that he did. Yeah. Anne-Marie said, the mother said that she feels that she let her daughters down by not knowing it was happening. Yeah. She was working two jobs at the down by not knowing it was happening. Yeah. She was working two jobs at the time.
Starting point is 01:46:08 Oh, God damn it. So she said she would leave early in the morning, not get home until late at night, and had no idea what was going on. She was never home. She said, I knew Mr. Hilton was a loser, but I never dreamed he'd go after his own kids. Honestly, if you can't trust your own husband with your own children, your own flesh and blood. That's very Italian to add that in there. What's this? I think I said that earlier. What's the sense of having kids with him?
Starting point is 01:46:31 I'm disappointed in myself. We should protect our kids. I still feel bad that I wasn't there for them. I could never do anything to make it up to them. Yeah, an Italian mother, she would rip her fucking hair out for the rest of her life over this. This is not good. She is, anybody would, I'm just saying. It's extra dramatic with an Italian lady, that's all.
Starting point is 01:46:47 Always add an extra level of drama. Mr. Hilton is serving a seven-year sentence on these charges, and he's since requested, he was eligible for parole in 2003, but waived his right and then requested a parole hearing in 2004 because he wants to make a boxing comeback. Oh, really? His agent said he has to earn a living and boxing is the only thing he knows how to do.
Starting point is 01:47:11 Okay. He continues to maintain his innocence and has refused therapy in prison. Is that right? I was such a blackout alcoholic that I blame molesting my daughters on it, but I'm totally fine. I don't need even alcohol abuse, never mind sexual counseling and all that shit. I'm good. Whoa, this motherfucker.
Starting point is 01:47:31 It's the book, the daughter's book. It's got a French title, roughly translated to A Heart With A Black Eye. It's due out in French at the time. So it's pretty graphic. So September 1st 2004 davy attempts to block the publication of the book really yeah that is wild can you do that i mean you can if there's untruths in it i mean i mean i guess you have to wait for the book to come out for for to know if it's got untruths right well a lot of most of the time a public
Starting point is 01:48:05 publisher before they publish a book they do a round illegal on it to clear everything and make sure there's no slander in there nothing they're going to get sued over and reliable right so it's a bunch of that shit so he's trying to stop it at that point there so okay um yeah uh october 13th 2004 um genie says that she hopes that her memoir of her father's sexual abuse will help other victims at the time. I hope so, too. She said, quote, I really just had to put things away because if not, I'd always be living in the past. And I can't because I have two boys that depend on me. She said at one time her father was her hero, but now she hasn't spoken to him in five years.
Starting point is 01:48:43 She says she feels pity for him because he can't admit anything he did wrong. Wow. She said the abuse started when she was 12. Yeah. Gross. 12. Several years. Fuck.
Starting point is 01:48:55 I never had a chance to be young. When they stopped going to school. Mm-hmm. I never had a chance to be young. In high school, when friends were saying, let's go to first base and kiss boys, I mean, I was already doing things with my father that was way way beyond first base um oh this line here jesus christ everybody uh buckle up or fast forward 30 seconds because it's gross quote i think that the day i lost my childhood was when he penetrated me yeah oh my god i felt as though it was i was
Starting point is 01:49:28 completely finished for me then i died at that point that poor girl jesus christ oh jesus fucking jesus man um she described how she knew it was wrong but um it was the first time her father had stopped beating her so she was like well christ at least he's not punching me at least he's not punching me she said it became normal and she wasn't allowed to go to school because she had to care for her father and her younger siblings while her mother worked three jobs oh my god she said she felt like her father's wife at a lot of the times here um that's wild um yeah that's that's fucking crazy um so alex by the way 2004 alex is convicted after threatening to hurt employees at a diner unless they handed over 40 that they had in the register 40 he's not even with a weapon just i'm gonna punch people unless you give me what's in
Starting point is 01:50:20 the register which is 40 was it 4 50 a.m right before they open what are you doing man uh so alex was again doing this uh in 2006 he's also arrested for threatening his former brother-in-law and then giving us given a suspended sentence for robbing a convenience store with a baseball bat yeah that's his mo that's a That's Alex. June 19th, 2006, Davies released from prison after serving two-thirds of his seven-year sentence, with eight months added in 2003 for refusing to submit to an alcohol test in 1997. Wow. Well before everything else. So, June 19th, 2006, he's released, still denies everything.
Starting point is 01:51:03 Wow. Denies every fucking thing. Because's released. Still denies everything. Wow. Denies every fucking thing. He knows he has to, uh, in order to avoid parole violation, he has to have no contact with his daughters. Yeah. He must stay in a halfway house till 2009.
Starting point is 01:51:18 Abstain from intoxicants, not be in the presence of females under 18, unless in the presence of a responsible adult which he is certainly not and participate in a program designed for sex offenders in denial of their crimes so yes um that is um interesting here the daughters have the book out um hilton maintains his innocence though saying that the crime of molestation he was charged with was, quote, something I would never do. Yeah, but you did. Yep.
Starting point is 01:51:49 He said that I refused to go along with a plea because I was innocent and I paid the price of my name and my money and my boxing title and everything for fighting for the truth and being innocent. That's what he's saying. That's what he's saying. I cannot stand when someone is put with incontrovertible evidence in front of them and they're just going to fucking deny it. This is a human being. It annoys me. Just because it's a gross charge and it's not fun to discuss. You can't do it, man. No, it's just stupid.
Starting point is 01:52:20 We know you did it. You can't just say I did it and move forward. It's fucking ridiculous. He asked people to, quote, imagine for a second it's not true. If it's not true, how do you think I feel? Wow. I don't care. That is fucking amazing.
Starting point is 01:52:39 He's 42. I don't know how much fighting he's got left in him here that's of any value. You know what I mean? Jesus Christ. They said that the scandal shouldn't hurt his drawing power, though. What? Okay. Who would want to go watch that guy?
Starting point is 01:52:55 I mean, I guess you'd want to watch him get beat up. Yeah, I guess that's the point. I'll watch him fight a heavyweight. That's what I want to watch him do. I want to watch him fight a forklift. He's at 156 and a half. I'd like him to fight someone about 230 and just watch them crush him into the mat. I want to see him fight an actual tank.
Starting point is 01:53:16 That would be great. He only gets to punch it. Just go up and punch it with gloves on and everything. Well, it tries to drive over him. and punch it with gloves on and everything. Well, it tries to drive over him. His comeback fights against Adam Green, a 12-4 fighter, and he beats Adam Green in a
Starting point is 01:53:29 unanimous decision here. So he's 41-2. August 20, 2007, he's arrested by the police and returned to jail for breaching conditions of his release. He assaulted his wife and made threats. Of course he did. Of course he did. He's acquitted on the charge of assault and made threats of course he did of course he did he's acquitted on
Starting point is 01:53:46 the charge of assault and death threats but remained detained pending the decision of the commission because he's on parole so they can just kind of you don't really own yourself at that point october 2007 he's back in court again and um it's a mess man now. Now, here's Alex in court here. Davies in court. Alex is also back in court. He says Alex here says that he wants a job, an apartment and some stability, and he's vowing to stay away from bad influences. He was acquitted of an assault charge. He said, I just want to get my life back together. Meanwhile, Davey's back in court on charges of uttering threats and breaking parole conditions, obviously. Both of them, Jesus Christ, they need a separate courtroom just for the Hilton's because they're all in here. Alex acknowledges his family's troubles with the bottle and says the entire scenario is taking its toll on his family.
Starting point is 01:54:43 I would think so. He said said i think he's fed up with that we're 42 and 43 years old it's time to wake up we can't do the things he we used to talking about him and his brother no shit january 7 2009 davy jr is acquitted of those new charges sure he appeared in court on charges of sexual assault assault assault and causing bodily assault, causing bodily harm against a woman. The alleged victim in the case dropped her complaint. That's how this happened. And so the judge acquitted Hilton after the complaint was dropped. He was ordered to sign a document agreeing to keep the peace for the next year.
Starting point is 01:55:19 I don't know what that means. Don't do anything crazy. Police said the assaults on the woman took place between September and November. He's been living in a halfway house since last summer but has been able to sign out periodically. Jesus fucking Christ, this is wild. May 7, 2009, he is ordered to stay away from his girlfriend. Jesus, God damn it. He was released on a series of conditions after his father agreed to a $5,000 bond that he would pay.
Starting point is 01:55:48 He's required to stay out of an entire town called Laval, north of Montreal, except to appear in court. And he used to have no contact with his girlfriend. Perfect. He got banned from a whole fucking municipality. A town told him no more. That is awesome. It's like the Old West. Yeah. You better get on out of town.
Starting point is 01:56:07 Fuck. August 24, 2009. Davey's in trouble again. Of course he is. Again. He is charged with assault for the fourth time in two years by the same woman. Oh? I think he beats her up a little bit, maybe.
Starting point is 01:56:21 Yep. He appeared in court to face a charge of assault and breaking a bail condition. Holy shit. The judge ruled that he should remain jailed to ensure he has no contact with the assault victim, who is his on-again, off-again girlfriend. They said that he has demonstrated an inability to abide by court conditions and shown he doesn't always make the best choices when it comes to the alleged victim. I would say always makes bad choices. Hilton said it was all for love. I love her too much, you see.
Starting point is 01:56:52 He testified during his bail hearing that he reunited with his ex-girlfriend, thus by his own admission, breaking seven court and bail conditions. Seven. Idiot. Because she threatened to commit suicide, though. I was trying to help her i love her too much he then went on to say quote i would do the same thing for anyone here i just care about life that's all yeah oh my god the prosecutor said why didn't you just call 9-1-1
Starting point is 01:57:21 yeah and he said i would do anything in the world to help her not call 911 but you know yeah i'll punch her i gotta be close to her i'll punch that fucking bottle of sleeping pills out of her hand yeah so he acknowledged that his relationship with her has been troubled obviously he's been arrested four times he said she can love me today and hate me tomorrow it's weird it's like i'll get drunk beat her up and then she doesn't like me anymore. I don't know what the fucking story is. She's real flighty that one. You know how ladies are, a little flighty.
Starting point is 01:57:51 We make up. We have a little period of happiness, and we get fighting again. It's very weird. We're very unique. We're not like all these other couples. We're not like everyone else it's not the exact same formula oh my god um by uh hilton's lawyer played a number of messages from the woman left on the lawyer's personal cell phone pleading for a way to have the two newest charges thrown
Starting point is 01:58:20 out oh my god they have a hot and yeah they have one of those relationships cyclical fucking it's the she's a battered woman who doesn't understand that this is not normal one of the messages said could you do something as fast as possible because i can't live without him my heart is broken no dear no no no no no um he was arrested in the latest incident after what police described as a night of drinking in which the woman ended up with a swollen lip. He denies any assault took place. She must have been stung by a bee or something. I don't fucking know.
Starting point is 01:58:52 She drinks really fast and sometimes she's a smash man. She's a bad drinker. She's a real heavy mug. Yeah. A heavy mug. She's got a drinking problem like the guy in Airplane. Yeah. She's got a drinking problem.
Starting point is 01:59:04 But it appears that his son's behavior is finally wearing thin for the patriarch. Dave Hilton Sr. does not approve of his latest relationship, and after watching his son sent away, said it was too much. Quote, I do blame my son. He knew what he was doing when he got up that night and she came to get him. We trusted him. I trusted him. All my boys would never do that all my other boys would never do that they just robbed fucking 7-elevens and
Starting point is 01:59:31 dunking donuts and shit oh my god that's fucking wild his mom says that alex is doing much better these days oh good by the way yeah thank goodness it's been almost a year and we've had no problems with Alex. That's great. Your one kid fucked his daughters, though. In a dramatic gesture, Hilton waved his handcuffed arms around in a sweeping motion toward the courtroom's visitor's gallery. After his heated exchange Tuesday with the Crown, the wisecracking Dave Hilton Jr. gladly agreed when he asked to address the judge. He quipped to the prosecutor he'd much rather look at the female judge. Quote, she's much better looking than you. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 02:00:13 You can't stop saying things, Davey. Stop saying things. I'd rather fuck her than you, man. Oh, my God. Hilton is in his latest case. Hilton insisted his motives were pure. He said the recent death of his former brother-in-law, Arturo Gatti, which Brazilian authorities have called a suicide, spurred him to intervene. He said not that he had brain damage from those wars he was in. Right.
Starting point is 02:00:41 He says he only got back with his ex-girlfriend because she was emotionally fragile. he was in. He says he only got back with his ex-girlfriend because she was emotionally fragile. When asked why he didn't call 911 if she was suicidal, he said, I'm not going to call the police. I take care of my own problems. I'll fix it. I'll fix it.
Starting point is 02:00:55 Here. He said that he would promise to stay away from the woman if granted bail, quote, one last time. Just give me this. Just one more again. One more time. September 17, 2009, Davey time. One more. Just give me this. Just one more again. One more time. September 17, 2009, Davey is again in trouble with the law. He is facing charges of assault and breaking bail conditions again. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:01:15 His lawyer says the alleged incident involved Hilton's ex-girlfriend. Oh, weird. Again. Yeah. Very strange. Weird, right? September 28, 2010. The last one was September 17, by the way.
Starting point is 02:01:26 September 28, 2010, he's arrested again, along with his younger brother, Jimmy, for threats and assault. Uh-huh. Okay. September 30, 2010, he's going to spend the month of October in jail. The whole month? The whole month, yeah. An argument broke out with his spouse here, I guess, Joanna, and his brother Jimmy was also accused of threats during this. We'll both kick your ass. Wow.
Starting point is 02:01:54 It was Davey's fifth arrest in three years on charges of violence against this poor woman. Joanna Colavecchio. What is it with you and the Italian girls? He loves them. Stop. They're nuts. Trust me. Don't do it.
Starting point is 02:02:08 Trust me. Oh, my God. What a fucking nightmare. Oh, my God. Davey was interned to undergo his release investigation on Thursday, but his lawyer preferred to postpone the hearing. All right. He says, there's going on that. He said, if he doesn't show up on October 29th, we can at least ask to release her.
Starting point is 02:02:31 Apparently, there's another problem here. She alleges that he threatened her with death and pushed her with her shoulder in the frame of the door. According to the lawyer, Hilton said he was completely drunk on the night of the evening. On the night of the evening. On the evening of the incident. So, Jesus, this is a fucking mess. They've been dating since 2007. He
Starting point is 02:02:55 was fresh out of prison for molesting his daughters, and she scooped him up. Someone's going to take him. Wow, that is fucking wild. What a forgiving woman. She had recently returned to live with him again. She says she suffers from bipolar disorder. Oh, and last summer when he received his sentence for one of his many escapades, she left the courthouse by ambulance because of drug abuse.
Starting point is 02:03:19 Wow. This is a mess. It's a fucking mess. So I don't even know what to say about this fucking guy. He's a he's a mess. This is a fucking mess. So I don't even know what to say about this fucking guy. He's a mess. So September 29, 2012, he marries another woman, remarries her, I guess, not Anne Marie, a woman named Jamie Lee. Oh. And he has a new child as well.
Starting point is 02:03:42 Oh. His wife gives birth to a little girl on march 18th who he should not be allowed to be around i'm sorry no he announced it on his facebook page which i hope all the comments were good try not to fuck this one will you stay away from her jesus christ uh the child will be called alicia alex sandra alex dash sandra marianne stewilton. Holy shit. That's a fucking handle. Yeah, they got married on September 29th. So April 4th, 2013, he still refuses to acknowledge sex abuse of his daughters. Wow.
Starting point is 02:04:15 He even told a news agency that he, quote, forgives them for testifying against him. I found it in my heart to forgive them. Yep. testifying against him i found it in my heart to forgive them yep that is uh his remarks followed his eldest daughter's earlier comments that she forgives him for performing sex acts on her and her sister when they were young girls his choice is fascinating it's wild he He said, quote, I'm innocent. I have no sex offender problem. Oh, OK. I swear to Christ, Rudy Giuliani is two seconds away from running up and defending this fucking guy. With hair dye coming down his face. Sex offender problem.
Starting point is 02:04:57 Are you fucking kidding me? It's a conspiracy against me by my daughters and my ex-wife. You can't say that. You've been convicted. It's over, man. Stop. When someone says it's... Yeah.
Starting point is 02:05:11 If someone says to you, it's a conspiracy against me, that person is a liar. Because how many times in the history of the world has there been a conspiracy against one fucking person? One guy. When guy say that that's a you have a grandiose idea of yourself psychologically that's the what's going on there the amount of people it takes to create a conspiracy that equates that that comes to this
Starting point is 02:05:37 conclusion is fucking absurd her daughter the daughters really really want you know what teenage girls love to do testify in court to really fucking intricate details of sexual intimacy with their father that's what they like to do in court and then in their early adulthood writing a book about the exact same thing is just perfect for that's that's what all the young girls that's the closure that's i hear that's big on tiktok now that's the new thing they've done away with dances and shit now and they're just doing that because it's fun professing uh their victimhood to everyone get the fuck i have no sex offender problem gross he said i'm sure you don't yeah you're fine with it i'm sure
Starting point is 02:06:22 but other people we all have a sex offender problem with you the public of wherever you're at has a sex offender problem jesus christ he said i'm innocent and i'll say it again what evidence was there in court there was none just the media and a bad judge it's against the values of my family to do that oh well then it's fine he said it's against his values so i'm sure he's innocent now he'll beat the shit out of a woman so yeah no problem yeah so genie and ann uh ann marie here testified in court obviously about his whole thing here they described jesus christ horrible things and not even in the family car they described horrible things they also described that hilton had beated them with
Starting point is 02:07:10 beat that beaten them with skipping ropes and plastic hangers since they were toddlers yep fuck that is disgusting that's fucking horrible here uh she says i believe that everyone has the right to a second chance it's in the hands of God now. Oh, boy. But Anne-Marie wasn't quite as charitable. She said that it's obvious he hasn't changed, and he shows no remorse and basically, fuck that guy. Yeah. He says, quote, whenever I say something, the media flips it around and shows only one side of the coin, just accusations, allegations, and accusations. No, dog, convictions. Yeah, you had a court. You know when you get to say your side of the coin just accusations allegations and accusations no dog convictions yeah you had a
Starting point is 02:07:46 court you know when you get to say your side of the coin yeah your court case there's a whole system set up for that you get it they say defense and then you have a whole thing you can do as much as you want they won't stop you you can bring in witnesses and evidence and all sorts of stuff it's crazy you get lawyers and shit it's's wild. You had that chance. And guess what? They believed the kids over you. Yeah. Period. Wow.
Starting point is 02:08:09 He said he's he said he has a he's been in therapy to control his drinking in addition to following a workout regime to make him return to the ring. Wow. He says, quote, he says that his daughters have moved on. He said, quote, my daughter, my daughters have moved on. He said, quote, my two daughters are healthy. I want to continue. I go one day at a time. For now, I'm in the gym. I ask God to give me a chance.
Starting point is 02:08:36 November 14, 2014. Here, he's in trouble again. He has to answer charges. He's charged with uttering death threats in an incident last summer. He apparently threatened to kill Maria Lappuccino. What the fuck in an argument? Only Italian girls. God damn it, dude.
Starting point is 02:08:57 Yeah, that's wild. So he's got to go to court for that. July 28th. We could never find the result of that what ended up happening it probably got dropped or something here uh the lapuchinos tend to be quiet about things like that he says we'll handle it together so i'll handle it on my own uh july 28th 2023 dave senior dies really yep he croaks here uh they said he died peacefully in his home. Son made the announcement. Jimmy made the announcement.
Starting point is 02:09:26 And there you go. So he's dead. And that's life. Now, as of 2023, they have Davey Hilton Jr. on the internet. As this tells you how off these sites are as far as net worth goes. They have his net worth at $5 million. Yeah, right. I don't his net worth at $5 million. You're right. He, I don't know if he made $5 million, but he might have made $5 million, but I would
Starting point is 02:09:50 assume lawyers, prison, everything else would probably be drinking binges. There's got to be something here. So yeah, there's that. Now here is a corner man from Quebec, Russ Amber, who talked about him. He said, quote, Dave was a great fighter, but he never quite reached the pinnacle of what he should have. He had it all, a great smile, fan-friendly, a happy guy, a very, very tough guy in the ring. Fans loved him, had all the talent in the world. He could have been a huge international star, an excellent all-around fighter.
Starting point is 02:10:23 He could have been a huge international star, an excellent all-around fighter. This country has produced some great fighters, and I'm quite confident in saying that he was the best Canadian fighter pound for pound in history. I think Razor Ruddock was from there. He was really good, too. Except for that part where he fucked his own children. He left a big chapter of this book out here. He left a big chapter of this book out here. Dave once said, quote, as long as there's boxing in Montreal, there'll be Hiltons. We or none, we're always here.
Starting point is 02:10:54 Yes or no, we're always here. So there is a Facebook page, the Fighting Hilton Family. Yeah. And it's got a thousand members on there. It's a private group. It's all of them there uh on what is this oh on ebay there is uh his boxing card it looks like it's australian because it's him davy hilton middleweight and it's got a picture of a of a little cartoon of a kangaroo in the corner like where the tops logo would be of a kangaroo in boxing shorts and gloves hilarious and uh yeah so he's there this
Starting point is 02:11:26 card is a dollar 25 very affordable very affordable with a dollar 49 shipping so you can't beat that you can get that on there um on the back of it too it has like like his stats and fights and it doesn't say how many kids he fucked on there does it show how many court cases he's lost you know you wanted wins losses knockouts and you know prison sentences children fucked and all that sort of thing that would help a lot and uh he's still out there there's davey wow hide your daughters and uh fuck that guy yeah yeah in his 50s and um probably the most repulsive human being we've ever talked about in the seven years of this fucking show thanks isaac yeah disgusting of course isaac gave us that yeah he's like he fucked his daughter oh you want to hear a gross story not really it was he was fucking his
Starting point is 02:12:18 daughters and he's fucking gross on all these other he was going off on all the other shit he did and i was like wow yeah so all the travelers think they're you know that guy apparently yes and didn't like him jesus christ there you go everybody that's the fighting hilton family and specifically davy the grossest of all of them obviously i would say none of the others are just drunken menaces right like if they were british they'd almost be fun. You know what I mean? Like, you know, a bunch of,
Starting point is 02:12:49 but the fact that they, one of them fucked a kid really takes the fun out of it. Really just deflates the whole balloon. So that's pretty gross. But if you like the show, tell the world about it. Get on whatever app you're listening on, please.
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Starting point is 02:13:18 First of all, we have shutupandgivememurder.com. We can get tickets to all the live shows for Small Town town murder the ones that are left that have tickets left which are September 8th in Atlanta September 9th in Charlotte tickets are left for those and a few left to for Dallas in December December 2nd so get your tickets for Dallas for that
Starting point is 02:13:37 one that'll be fun stuff shut up and give me murder dot com virtual live show wherever you are in the world we can come right to your living room anywhere doing it yeah on october 26th and there it's available for a week after the show to watch as many times as you want or you know delay for when you can watch it or whenever so it's a halloween themed show like last year we're going to dress up it's going to be a gross show you know halloween themed murdery type shit that does like that. It's going to be a lot of fun.
Starting point is 02:14:05 It's just like a regular live show. That's how these work. It's a comedy show. You see the pictures. Everything's there. Only difference is instead of sitting
Starting point is 02:14:12 in a big crowd of people, you're in your living room smoking your own weed, drinking your own booze, eating your own snacks. Do that. Tickets go on sale. Very intimate.
Starting point is 02:14:22 Tickets go on. Not as intimate as Davey Hilton, though. Tickets go on sale September 1st for that show. So that's shutupandgivememurder.com slash virtual live is where you find those. You also want to follow us on social media as well, where we are at Crime and Sports on Facebook and Twitter. And we are at Small Town Murder on Instagram and Threads.
Starting point is 02:14:44 You can find us all there and follow us and get all the latest news. You definitely want to start doing Patreon if you haven't done it yet. Anybody, let's put it this way. You get a cup of coffee every day. It's five bucks. Take one of those cups of coffee. Don't buy it and get this instead
Starting point is 02:15:00 because anybody $5 a month or above, you're going to get a whole lot for your money. Number one, you're going to get the whole back catalog of bonus episodes, like 200 of them. So tons of shit to listen to. And then on top of that, new ones every other week. One crime and sports, one small town murder, and you get access to what?
Starting point is 02:15:17 Fucking all of it. Every bit of it. Not a little bit, all of it. You'll have interest in everything here, that's for sure. This week is no different. This week what you're going to get is for crime and sports we're going to talk about celebrity boxing oh why yeah why do people who don't fight want to fight on tv it's funny they need a couple of bucks and we're willing to watch the spectacle let's see if screech gets knocked out i don't know
Starting point is 02:15:38 why that's fun for us so check that out then for small town murder we're going to talk about a very weird one which if you listen to our patreon you know the weird ones are often the most fun and crazy. This one is on Victorian-era household dangers. Fantastic. Late 1800s, early 1900s, everything in your house could kill you. Everything had a giant heavy razor blade thing on it that would chop your arm off, chop your kid's heads off. People exploded in their bathrooms constantly. Everything had
Starting point is 02:16:07 strychnine in it, even medicine. It was fucking insane. We'll talk about how... Your own house was a terribly, horribly dangerous place to be. Patreon.com slash Crime and Sports. Also, September the 18th, Your Stupid Opinions,
Starting point is 02:16:24 the new podcast coming out. God damn it. We're jacked for this shit. We cannot wait. Reviews of everything from places to people to things to products that people complain about for no reason. They're just fun as shit. Like we always say, the review says way more about the reviewer than the thing reviewed. Way more about the reviewer than the thing reviewed.
Starting point is 02:16:50 That said, I think it's time to hear from the wonderful people who have done Patreon and done great things for us. I'd like a list of the group of people who would never, ever, ever, ever, never have sex with their two daughters. Please, Jimmy, hit me with that very nice, wonderful list. This week's executive producers are Maddie Bell, I imagine. It's Jeanette Bell's daughter. Happy birthday month? No, stop it, Maddie. Happy birthday? Your poor mother.
Starting point is 02:17:12 Give her a birthday. It's a day. It's a weekend at most. Knock it off. We'll give you a weekend if it falls on a Saturday. David Santana, see you in Philly. Kyle Norweg, Darlene Minton, happy birthday. Your favorite, I imagine, daughter, Eva Dodson.
Starting point is 02:17:27 That's your favorite kid, Eva Dodson. I'm not guessing anything. She loves you. Happy birthday. Loves you to death. Rebecca Johnson, Tiffany Thompson. You guys are fantastic. Thank you for everything you do for us.
Starting point is 02:17:38 Thank you for rhyming also. It does, Johnson and Thompson. Oh, boy. All right. Other producers are Amber Wright, Kentucky Derby winner, Pio Mine. Oh, Pio Mine. That's Tony Soprano's horse that Ralph would kill. Great painting.
Starting point is 02:17:56 Dizade Trash Horror. Was that it? Dizade? Dizade. Dizade Trash Horror. All right. Happy birthday, Mitch Kumstein. Oh.
Starting point is 02:18:07 And the organ player that was hitting the head with the puck from the Hanson brothers. Well, happy birthday. Yes. Very well. He needed it. He wore a helmet for the next game. Sure did. Jennifer Stevens, see you in Charlotte.
Starting point is 02:18:18 Liz Maxwell, Alana McKeel, Zach Bowles, the trellis guy. Justin Sherman, happy birthday. He does good work. He does. The trellis guy. Justin Sherman, happy birthday. He does good work. He does. The trellis he's got is fantastic. Good shit. Uncle Ivan, Ivana Ride, Jim, stop it. Justin Sherman, happy birthday.
Starting point is 02:18:36 Janice Hill, Alex Janzewski, Dewey Flesh Holder, Jonathan Pike, Flesh Holster, gross. Cody Wallace, Jack with no last name, Garrett Eder, Alex Morris, Sean Hansen, Darren with no last name, Douglas Michaud, Emily Gordon, Jennifer Rodesky, Jen Curtis, Louis Lucien, Wendy Hinkle, Julie Scardina, Michelle Mackey. I'm just going to go one take Charlie and see if I get it right. Sarah Frances Ralston, Camille Snodgrass, Joe with no last name, Pauline Bray, John Coyne, Benjamin, oh boy, Gwen Mara, Kip with no last name. Troy Lawrence. Kip Hoover.
Starting point is 02:19:27 Connie Halverson. Two Kips and three names? Is that possible? Yeah, I think it's two people. Or one person that got two different. Oh, okay. One for somebody and one for Kip. Good for you, Kip.
Starting point is 02:19:39 We've said your name four times now. That's five, six times for Kip. Connie Halverson. Seven. Kip. Stephanie Ardon. Seven. Kip. Stephanie Ard. Keely Philbrook. Lexi with no last name.
Starting point is 02:19:50 Amanda Dana. Danielle Johnson. Zoe with no last name. Michelle with no last name. Kristen Marie Tracy with no last name. Daniela Hinderink. Laurel Crater. Jamie Martin Mantia.
Starting point is 02:20:04 Cooper Creighton. Chad Frisbee. He's got Frisbee money. Emma Rader. I hope that's not Dennis' family. Stephanie Wright, Julia X. Honestly, Jesus. Brady Keenum, Marlo with no last name. Jennifer Childers, Shane Dahl, April Tannick, Sam Anderson, Tia Holly, Megan Reimer,
Starting point is 02:20:24 Girth Brooks, hell yeah, Christy Burda, Matthew Wine, Nicole Williamson, Paris89London, Kelsey Galvin, Caitlin, yep, Wassan, Sherry O'Dell, Ivy J, Kristen Clark, Seth Keith, Dixon Cider. All right. That's perfect. By the way, BTK, as horrible of a monster as he was, he actually was a much better father than our crime and sports subject of the week. Like, he would never do. He would never do what this guy did.
Starting point is 02:20:55 Camping and fishing trips. What a guy. Sorry. Go ahead. Incredible father. Alexa with no last name. Alexis. Just call me wasted.
Starting point is 02:21:03 Dave Franken. Jamie with no last name. Eric with no last name. Justin Miller just call me wasted. Dave Franken, Jamie with no last name, Eric with no last name, Justin Miller, Jenna Bauer, Andrew Newman, Adriana Murado. Deanna, Deanna with no last name, Julian Walter, Alexis, Alex Aguilar, Jeff Gomez, Morgan Meyer, Kyler Kirch, Amanda Jones, Melton Park Beauty Rooms, whatever that is., Amanda Jones, Melton Park Beauty Rooms. Whatever that is. If you're in Melton Park, look for a beauty room.
Starting point is 02:21:29 That's who it is. David Beach, Kaylee Hyman. All right. Fabioli Hernandez, Bethany Bolt, Matthew Eagle. Lily with no last name. Arias with no last name. Michaela. Michaela.
Starting point is 02:21:43 Michaela Shore. Amy Clark. Laura Petal. Michaela. Michaela. Michaela Shore. Amy Clark. Laura Petal. Kristen Palmer. Josh Sherman. Mona Coder-Hameed. What? All right.
Starting point is 02:21:53 Michael Collins. Tim Greenlaw. Rachel Tim. Kylie Ford. Oh, boy. Elena Sarvesh with no last name. Desiree with no last name. Chad with no last name. Desiree with no last name. Chad with no last name.
Starting point is 02:22:06 Liz Harper. Derek Gallher. Tommy Conley. Declan Flanagan. NWJF. Adelisa Ignafo. Melanie Long. Caitlin Carey.
Starting point is 02:22:17 Stephanie Hooper. Chris Meredith. And Kessler Magic 226. Kitty Cat. Charlie with no last name. Brittany Sweet. Jedi Luke. The Jedi Luke, Mackenzie, because there's sometimes, you know, that other one. They get them mixed up.
Starting point is 02:22:31 Yeah. There's a lot of Jedis named Luke. That's a problem. The Mackenzie, Presgavis, Presgraves, Trevor Koenigs, Koenigs maybe? Trevor Koenigs, Koenigs maybe? Koenigs. Carlene Silva, Harrison Albert, Chris Talafson, Jordan Germain, Tabitha Ferraro, Matthew Cassidy, Tom Cootie. All right, Steve Gardner, Gigi Goo.
Starting point is 02:22:57 Gross. All right. Chloe Marr. Anytime there's Goo involved. Chloe Marr, Dan Pastore, John Ro tanya rodriguez michael with no last name rob would no last name cassandra aldrich uh sheena don hoffer jesse would no last name henry beecroft christina fenton fontenot uh hughes askin steven w christy I'm sorry. I couldn't. All right. Stephen is the name. Christie Campos. Campos. Claudia Wallens.
Starting point is 02:23:28 Andy Danner. Susan Kavox. Lacey Crawford. Amber Estivanco. Mary Ellen with no last name. Kobolds Forlide. Luke Loveland. Brittany Darlington.
Starting point is 02:23:43 Brandy Hawley. Billy with no last name. Joe Moffitt. James Shoemakerlly billy with no last name joe moffitt james shoemaker distal with no last name billy saint john ariel with no last name julia with no last name uh who the who else do we have ben crock crocky croaky chase stiller colleen parkin tiffany caps rebecca roy kevin de uh de la para mar fuck, this is impossible, Melissa, Marissa Pauly, Lori, why the fuck do I do this to myself? Lori Collier, Ryan Sullivan, Lisa Frayer, Candice Dumond, Mary Copriva, Barbieri, Shorji, Shorge, She George, I don't, Shorge?
Starting point is 02:24:21 All right. Shorge. I'm doing my best. I don't George. All right. Look, I'm doing my best. Shay. Shayna.
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Starting point is 02:24:40 Per. Per. Per. Per. Per. Per. Per Because we saved this episode for so long and had me thinking about the whole run of the show so far. I'm like, you guys have been awesome for a long time. Thanks for doing that for us. Thanks for hanging out with us.
Starting point is 02:24:48 Thanks for doing all that. You want to get a hold of either one of us, very easy to do that. Shut up and give me murder.com. Links to all that shit. Come and see us because we'll be back every damn week live from the Crime and Sports Studios. We will see you next week. Bye. Bye. We will see you next week. Music app today, or you can listen early and add free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts.
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