Crime in Sports - #373 - The Crack Smoking Waterboy - "Beautiful" Harvey Martin

Episode Date: September 19, 2023

This week, we scope out the swinging 70s, through a key member of the "Doomsday Defense" of the Dallas Cowboys. Living the high life of fame, and fortune, all while business ventures fall apart, and he does enough cocaine to cover a South American mountain top. Even though he denies it for years, he eventually tells his secrets, after his life truly spins out of control!!Have your sister beat up your bullies, find your inner "Waterboy" & unleash your rage, do enough cocaine with "Hollywood" Henderson to kill a herd of elephants with "Beautiful" Harvey Martin!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks so much for joining us on another crazy edition of Crime and Sports that we are lucky to be making today. If you love this, you should certainly be thankful. If you've ever seen planes trains and automobiles we we got a chance to live it yesterday so we had a really good time after charlotte um oh my god yeah i would just like to say that uh delta can suck every dick

known to man that pilot looked us in the eye jimmy and he lied to us stared at us and said yeah a little delay just get on off the plane second that last person was off he was already looking at the board of departures looking at where his gate was that they were assigned him next when we got flight canceled he knew it and he lied to our faces how fucking dare you asshole delta pilot who looked too young to be a pilot but had terrible hair of a 55 year old man with a lot of stress that guy if i ever fucking see you in the street i will punch you in your fucking face you lying cunt number one delta airline who looked too young for that hairline the delta would only trust you with an hour flight, you motherfucker. Piece of garbage.

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That's why they got him. That's part of the Delta Pilot program. There's an acting slash improv course that they make you take where you have to do like, before it is loosen up and all of that shit. Yeah. That's what he did. He did red, yellow. Yeah.

He was in the groundlings. So, you know, he was good. I had to, you know, I believed him. I bought it. I got to be honest with you. Unique New York. Jesus fucking Christ. The Upright Citizens Brigade back in the day.

I almost called him the Brigade. What is that? The UCB Theater. This guy. That's where he was. So very almost made SNL, but the hairline kept him out. They already had it. They already had Kevin Nealon.

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let's get to it with our asshole here of the, of the week. Here we go. Let's talk about, we're going back in time a little bit in a very fun way. This is a seventies football player, seventies and eighties. the week here we go let's talk about we're going back in time a little bit in a very fun way this is a 70s football player 70s and 80s so these are the most fun there everything was insane this is like he's on the team on the cowboys with like hollywood henderson when he's snorting coke it's

it's a wild wild scene here so we'll talk about harvey martin i don't know if you know of harvey martin but he was a huge giant star in the for the Cowboys when the Cowboys were world champions and such. So Harvey Banks Martin. Banks is his middle name. I don't think we've ever encountered that before. Middle name. That's probably mother's maiden name. That's kind of an old school thing to do.

That's fucking rad. Because he's born in 1950, November 16, 1950 and he's from dallas texas so playing for the cowboys was good for him cool he's got cool nicknames too really number one number one is the beautiful the beautiful harvey martin which he calls himself and then they call him too mean because he played next to ed too tall jones oh very cool too tall and too mean were on the same defensive line so that's how they pulled that off which is pretty fun so yeah born 1950 in dallas big ass guy by the way 65 260 i mean he's one of these guys that was kind of like ahead of his time when it came to physicality and size and he could play today no problem you

know very well not a lot of the guys from the 60s and 70s had the size just the mass to be able to When it came to physicality and size, he could play today, no problem. Not a lot of the guys from the 60s and 70s had the size, just the mass, to be able to play in this game. Because we're on HGH now, and they're not back then. It was a big part of it. So a little bit different. So, yeah, big-ass guy here. We'll talk a lot about him. He was the Super Bowl co-MVP.

That's what I thought maybe. Co-MVP? Yeah, co's why i thought maybe yeah i believe so we'll get into it later on though so he's had a very good career anyway his mother her name is helen martin you know we'll talk about that and she's got a sister named mary and he grew up with around just the women basically oh so yeah everybody said they were both strong caring and domineering is what what we're told here yeah you know from 50 years in the future 70 70 years in the future whatever the fuck that meant back then yeah i guess they everybody mothered him every woman around him mothered him and kept him like, you know, just like a teddy bear. Yeah. Insulated from everything. He would spend mothers or summers with his grandmother outside of Dallas.

And it was a lot different. And, you know, he just I don't know, man. He had a weird childhood. It sounds like he said he did. Was his grandmother married to his grandfather still? Or was this just another female dominated? I think that's what we're talking about. I don't hear a lot about men in this in this guy's life as a child.

He said that his grandmother would say, you are my baby. You are so pretty. She would tell him. Yeah. Yeah. It's been the rest of the year in Dallas. And he would go with his mom while she went to scrub floors because that was her job to her job yeah yeah and so there's that i guess he never really had a guy around in his early years and then later on no guys on around

at all his sister says she remembers a story about him quote he took her this is the guy his father i guess he took harvey to the barber shop once then walked out and left him there at the barber at the barber shop just left him took him to get the haircut but didn't complete the task of then bringing him home paying for it and bringing him home which is really a bigger part of when you take it somewhere what's the matter? I'm taking a haircut. You left him there and didn't pay. It's like anybody can just put you on a plane and say you're going somewhere,

but then you actually have to take off and land in the place that you said you were going. That's the difference. You can't just say that. And you've got to have a ticket. His dad was basically Delta Airlines. Take you halfway there and leave you there and walk away and say i don't know maybe tomorrow and that's that dropped him at the airport and then didn't give him a ticket no ticket just there he is nope i took him he got there wow that's wild helen uh would be big his mom into religion super into religion and this is

that's dallas too so it's got a yeah a little bit of a christiany vibe there you know what i mean if you've been to dallas here obviously so uh she said quote this is her his mother quote we churched that boy to death well that churched a past tense verb i've never heard churched said that's one tense verb it's one way to keep a boy out of trouble is to church the shit out of him. We churched him up good, boy. I'll tell you something. We churched that boy to death.

That is fucking amazing. He became the president of the ushers and the youth department and the choir as well. And the choir. And the choir. He's huge, too. So I feel like they're just like i guess he's in charge if you're all the other kids maybe we're going by size now that's how kids are though yeah if one kid's like enormous or like i guess let him be in charge i mean he can do it if he wants

because you have like a parental model of who's in charge the biggest person's in charge the oldest person's in charge that's how it is when you're a kid what are you nine yeah well you're in charge of the seven-year-old then that's how it works kids in prison same way yeah it's the same shit you've been here longer yeah trust you more you you do that so when he's away from the house at his grandmother's house um this is he had huge ears i guess oh his mother said, or his grandmother said they used to be outstanding ears. What does that mean? They were out here. She would flap her hands out and say they were out here saying hi.

Outstanding. That's what she means. They were out there standing. Outstanding. Yeah. She didn't mean like great. She meant they were standing out here saying hi. He just he had to grow into them.

Oh my God. Yeah. His mother said he was very tall, all legs just like me. Harvey hated his height. He'd kind of stoop down. Yeah, I've noticed that about tall kids early in life. Yeah, because you feel, because everybody comments on it. And it's right.

And other kids, other adults think you're older than the other kids and they they treat you like you're some kind of weirdo you're the first one that people look at every time yeah in a group of kids yeah you stand out yeah that's that's that's yeah i mean it's not the worst thing in the world but it's something that you see especially girls you see that a lot tall young girls you see them stoop over a lot because they want to be not they kind of want to blend in i think more not seen right yeah well you'll see boys a little more often stick their fucking chests out when they're bigger and be like yeah i'll beat up you people you know it's all you yeah because then like you know when you're a young boy whoever can beat the other one up is

like a weird that's that's kind of the hierarchy there's nothing else to go on nobody has any money you've done nothing in your life that you could brag about or you don't have any awards or any successes seen a naked woman you get you're all nobody here has ever you wouldn't even know what to do with it if you saw it in the third grade you go whoa gross you know what i mean or weird what's that why is it so wet what's happening right now so yeah I don't know. It's a little bit different. So he's got the ear problem, and that's fun. All legs, he said.

I guess his jaw was big. Oh, no. He had a really bad underbite. Yeah. So he could basically his underbite was so bad he could close his mouth and put a toothpick between his teeth and go back and forth. No scrape. You know what I mean?

That's really weird. Yeah. But he found out that he couldn't eat things that he had to like bite with his front teeth like pizza, stuff like that. He couldn't eat it because he couldn't get his front teeth together because he had such a bad underbite there. So a girl laughed at him one day and said quote your teeth don't come together when you laugh so then he began covering his face when he left so now he's stooped over with a hand over his face all the time so that's rough and he's got giant ears which he can't cover long legs under bite giant ears you know what i'm saying this is not a good he's just oh

my gosh he's he's got everything that you don't want the kids gave him a nickname very this is not a great nickname uh they called him quote monkey bear not in a not not in a loving way not like hey you're my little monkey bear like maybe you'd call your dog usually a little monkey bear so Like, maybe you'd call your dog, you're my little monkey bear. So, you know, nothing like that. He's got all the pieces of everything. Yeah, they go, yo, monkey bear. And they'd fucking make fun of him.

Got a little bit of monkey, a little bit of bear. Come here, sir. You're big, but you're hunched over. You got the underbite like a monkey. So that's why they were. You got the ears of a monkey. Yeah, that's what they're calling him. Poor bastard.

One thing about kids, they're going to see what you got, and you got they're gonna tell you that's all there is to it yeah they're not gonna they have no subtlety or anything look at him looks like a monkey a little bit like a bear too yo monkey bear that's just that's children right on the nose sorry about it that's all they have like i said that's why they're so cruel to each other because there's no other markers of life. And it's observational stuff based on appearance or some dumb mistake you made and now that's what you are. Yeah. Rather than cars when you get older. You get a car and you go, well, my car is nicer than his.

Fuck him. Right. Or whatever you're into. If you're materialistic, it's that. Or whatever the thing is. I'm happier than him my fucking whatever your thing is when your kids are ugly so you're all the same yeah yeah you bear all barely read so there's no there's nothing to brag about no one's got anything on anybody else right on the surface right on the surface so poor little monkey bear was very upset and he said quote i didn't have friends i was

always alone jesus christ poor kid man his sister though the year younger than him sister here she was apparently like the prettiest girl in school and also very popular and everybody liked her and she's like perfect and then she's got this guy. Yeah, it didn't quite work out the same. What the fuck? She would stick up for him all the time as well. She said once they were walking to school, and an older boy who was much smaller than Harvey

kept taunting Harvey, fucking with him, you know? So he kept taking it. He said Harvey kept taking it and taking it. And then his sister started fighting the kid, Mary. She started fighting the boy. She's like, I'll fight him. Fuck it. She said, quote, Harvey just stood there the whole time watching.

I won. And then he told me I did a really good job. Good job, sis. Hey, monkey bear, you want to give me a hand here? Jesus Christ. What do i have to do to stir up some rage in this fella holy fuck great job your younger sister yeah it's good that she won though good for her yeah yeah um she said quote he was like a son to me even though i was younger that is so terrible what the hell's happening harvey he's he's got no confidence he

doesn't like the way he looks and there's no dad telling him that he's fine and his sister has the confidence right he lacks so the confidence also can give you a couple years of sure you know something when you're a kid you seem older when you're confident so um yeah he's got a he's got a problem here obviously he didn't like being outside also very much. He hated outdoor type of things, like when he starts getting older and he wants to get a job. He didn't do outdoor physical labor, so he got a job after school washing dishes at a department store restaurant. Oh. So he was supposed to cut the grass at his house.

So instead, he didn't like doing that, so he would give a guy $5 to cut the grass at his house so instead he didn't like doing that so he would give a guy five dollars to cut the grass for him at his house from his dishwasher oh so part of he made forty dollars a week and spent five of it on the lawn so he makes 35 we didn't have to do it which he he said what is my time worth yeah you know what this five dollars is better spent here that's a goddamn leader. That's delegation. I feel like that's smart. That's delegation. Yeah.

Exactly. That's delegating. That's smart. Like in Don't Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead. Oh, my God. You delegated. Very good, Harvey. His boss at the restaurant would go around the kitchen asking each different boy if he

could work late when he needed to stay longer. And he said when he came to Harvey, he would say, Harvey, I'll call your mother. And all the boys would laugh. I don't know why. She's picking me up, you guys. How about you not make fun of me about that? That would be fucking nice there. So I guess when he was in grade school, his mother got married to a guy named Sylvester

Martin, who was kind of a street guy. And, you know, that sort of thing. They would argue, I guess, because they would argue over Harvey, the couple. Yeah, because he was saying, you're babying him and you're overprotective. And she would say, don't tell me how to raise my child. And, you know, any argument would go at that point. The general stepfather stepmother argument. Yeah.

Yeah. So they argued that they argue. Apparently, Harvey finally stood up for himself and screamed at them. Stop. He was like, don't fucking fight. So I don't know. He finally blew up at one point. He went to everybody.

Leave me out of this. Leave me out of it. Monkey boy out. I'm fucking done with this shit. leave me out of this leave me out of it monkey boy out i'm fucking done with this shit so he attended eight different schools in dallas because this is the time of integration so they were trying to move people around to different places to get some of some people somewhere and some of others and so that's how that was working um in the first two weeks of his sophomore year.

And right when he started 10th grade, somebody, I guess he saw a schoolmate pull a man off a bus and beat him with a crutch. I don't know why that he so he thought that was one of the schools he went to. So he thought that was kind of different. Yeah. Yeah. Frightening for him. different yeah frightening for him uh he was i guess somebody wanted to fight him after class and so he just transferred schools rather than fight the guy meanwhile he's enormous by the way he's goddamn enormous he's like big mike i mean yeah you know i mean he's michael or in in the blind side where he's like just timid yeah meanwhile being very capable probably of beating the living shit out of his children crush you crush you yeah very strong very agile um yeah

no idea we'll talk about it but he doesn't and a lot of times too when someone's like that but they're big that's what sports is good for because sports can help give them confidence you know what i mean if somebody like that but he wasn't playing sports at this point really so that was the problem is he doesn't have it till have any of that till later on. Sylvester is a truck driver for the city. And then I guess he would go to like the driving range and hang out at the golf course all night, which is strange. And they said he even if he was home for dinner, he wouldn't even eat with the family. for dinner he wouldn't even eat with the family like he'd go in another room or something it's very strange like they said he'd give the kids money to buy a kite but he wouldn't go out and fly it with him he'd be like i'm doing my here go buy your kite and go fucking do that shit but i'm not interested in doing it with you which is just a 60s dad that sounds like a 60s dad yeah yeah right that's what i mean he gave his job in 60s, they told men, your job is to be the provider.

Right. Your job is have roof over the house, pay the bills. Yep. Have that all done. Have everybody have food, money to give your wife to buy stuff and your kids and all that shit and everything else. You know, that's not your problem. That's kind of what they told guys back then.

Yeah. The idea of quality time came much later. This is like, you guys have a kite yeah my dad bought it for me oh wow oh cool so why do you need a father to show you how to fly a kite what are you simple that's i mean no kids back then they didn't expect their parents to fly fly kites with them that's the other part of in 1963 no that came 87. Parents expected you to make mixed drinks for them when you were a child back then. Like it was a different relationship. You were.

Make me a mixed drink, then take this kite and go run. Yeah. Don't shut up. Until it gets in the sky. Yeah. Back then they would have like family, or not family, they'd have like friends over for dinner parties. The kids weren't allowed on the floor that the party was happening on.

Basement or your room. Those are your options. I don't want to see you for the next five fucking hours because I'm getting drunk with other adults. And the kids were like, oh, don't bother mom and dad. That would be considered child abuse now if you did that. If you put a kid in their room and secluded them, yeah, that's jail, you guys. They'd put all the people, whoever was at the dinner party, all of their kids of varying ages and interests and i just throw them all in a basement and they'd get

order them a pizza and say shut the fuck up i don't want to hear from you until your parents can get you and you weren't allowed that was it but that's what that's what you do in prison you just put them in a room and give them food yeah exactly that's that's prison we're getting drunk up here leave us alone so I have to be in prison? Kind of, yeah. It's five hours, man. Relax. Hustle their hair.

That's being a kid. That's childhood, little guy. Yeah. So they said that Helen, the mother, would try to do all that kind of stuff because she would kind of dote it on the kids, it seems like. do all that kind of stuff because she would kind of she kind of doted on the kids it seems like mary said to us my mother was the water the food the worker the healer and the defender mom was everything that's what the younger sister said but he still wanted a father figure um you know he wanted to do that he was trying to trying to be like somebody he wanted to have a male figure he liked sylvester and wanted to be a part of his life,

but Sylvester really just didn't seem to have much interest in the kid. One day here, junior year of high school, Sylvester came home and said, quote, all my buddies have sons playing football or some other sport. My boy's bigger than all of them, and he doesn't do nothing. Oh, at least he called him his boy. He called him his boy. That's good. That's beautiful. My boy, they all have sons,, and he doesn't do nothing. Oh, at least he called him his boy. He called him his boy. That's good.

That's beautiful. My boy, they all have sons, and my boy doesn't do shit, so he considers him his son. That's nice. Like I said, back then, ignoring your kid wasn't considered bad. Right. Is there a roof over his head? Are there lights on so he can do his homework? Shut the fuck up, then.

Consider him not ignored. That's it. Yeah. You go on a vacation once a year you know go to the shore on a weekend during the summer like that was it you provided that's all the yard is mowed shut the fuck up so um 1967 is his junior year and he transferred to south oak cliff high school which was the first integrated high school in dallas two weeks into the preseason football practice, he tried out. He was the last player to try out.

Really? They let him try out anyway. They said he was handed the last helmet and pair of shoes, and he's huge, and the shoes were a size too small, and the helmet was the shittiest helmet they had, and it had an uncovered screw on the inside of it. Oh, my God. That drilled a hole into his forehead.

Wow. Yeah, so he practiced for two days with blood pouring down his face from his forehead and his feet completely blistered and fucked up from wearing size two small shoes and he didn't complain he didn't do anything um and then he asked a coach is this just the way football players live like they all have screws in their helmets and shoes that don't fit and they said oh jesus christ they didn't realize and so they had no idea yeah they got him he you know they got him new stuff here so um they didn't it wasn't even because he had any talent at the time to to let him on the team is that also this is they just integrated and they were trying to get some black kids on the team too and you know they were trying to integrate um but one of the the school's line coach said we were actually

trying to get rid of him i told the team harvey looked like a dying calf in a hailstorm what does that mean jesus i guess not walking well on the shore of himself about to die i have no idea after blow from the hail i don't know about to fall to the ground dead fuck they said they buried him in the depth chart at defensive tackle and waited for him to quit and he hated football and he wanted to quit but he kept doing it anyway oh think about harvey's he'll just keep doing shit i don't know i guess that's what i'm supposed to do and he just does it so he says i must have had things inside me I don't know about. Yeah. That coach who was talking said, we beat one team 77 to 7.

He might have gotten that game. Like they would put him in at only a pure garbage time. They'd let him play. Oh, 11 touchdowns? Jesus. So none of the good players would get hurt. Yeah. Seven touchdowns? Jesus.

So none of the good players would get hurt. So one day his sister saw him running punishment laps after practice for fucking something up. When he was done, he came over to the car and he got in the door and he slammed on the steering wheel. And they said, I didn't hit the blocking sled hard enough. Heck, I didn't want to hit it. It hit me back. So he didn't like the blocking sled hard enough heck i didn't want to hit it it hit me back so he didn't like the violence of it yeah he wasn't that aggressive physically to plow through that kind of thing he's a nice kid he's a nice kid they went nine and one that year he's a backup lineman and uh only played like i said in complete garbage time um they said they figured he wouldn't come back for a senior year. And that was that.

And they said, quote, this is what the coach said he told to Harvey, if you don't beat out Philip Bangs for the starting job next year, you're going to be the laughingstock of the coaching staff. Or I'll be the laughingstock, meaning the coach will be. You couldn't coach this guy. So, and the guy behind him, I guess, this Philip Bangs was a Golden Gloves boxing champ, which is a Philip Bangs is a great name

for a guy who punches you in the face. Yeah, it is. That's terrific, right? Phil Bangs? Phil Bangs. And then you could make anything else after that. Phil Bangs broads. Phil does this.

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So Harvey just said, okay, that's fine um and he said quote i began to play a role after that i began to play a to become a football player and by the third game of his senior year he was a starter and by the end of the season the team wins the dallas city championship and he's the uh best lineman on the team by then really yep he was skinny at the time and he just started playing well, so no college looked at him at all. Nobody was interested in him. So his coach ended up calling the offensive line coach

at East Texas State University. Nice place. Nice place. That feels like a lot of the class. They play basketball outside, that feels like. Their team doesn't have like an indoor gym yeah it's outside so it's like a like an elementary school fucking playground they play um and said you should offer this martin kid a scholarship he could play and he's

developing physically and he could be good for you so he does that and he ends up going there in 1969 this is in commerce texas which is a very small town 60 miles northeast of dallas and yeah apparently um he was you know that sounds slow you know it's also yeah it's also a dry town too oh really so yeah countries, we got to explain to Australians because they're like, what now? What? No rain, huh? No booze is what that means. Still left over from prohibition, those people haven't started selling booze again from 100 years ago. Right.

And they're not going to anytime soon. Somebody doesn't believe they can handle it yeah something like that yeah something like that so he would live at home during his uh summers away from college and they said he's still his mother had a 1 a.m curfew for him even though really he was like she could never tell if he was there or not and he's's an adult. Also, he's like 20 years old at that point. So he never went. He didn't go to a nightclub till he was in the NFL. Really?

Never went because he's just in this small town in Texas. No, no booze. To be honest, he's missing nothing. That's true. Yeah. No shit. No, but he's missing nothing. In his first two years of college, he Dwight White, who used to be a Pittsburgh Steeler defensive end, was his roommate.

And he said Harvey was 1,000% different than now, meaning in the NFL. He was a big baby Huey. He was so gentle, small guys used him as an ego builder. Take his name even, Harvey. It's not exactly a thundering name. Guys would push him around and he felt so bad about himself he was easy it was easy to embarrass him everybody borrowed money off him he was more or less a chump what they just like took his noodles in prison they just

completely punked him everybody would just punk him all the time yep that's uh very fucking strange so dwight white gets drafted and once dwight White gets drafted by the Steelers, he comes back to college after Harvey's sophomore season, flashing some $100 bills around because now he's got drafted by the NFL. So he's showing them, hey, look at this. I'm doing well. And that's when Harvey went, whoa, hold on a minute. If I kick people's asses i can flash around hundred dollar bills and have money that yeah and he was like yeah and he was like all right and uh white said he got a glimpse of paradise money is a remarkable motivator it sure is and

yeah that's that's what he does so by the so his first two years he doesn't do shit in college, basically. By the end of it, he's the best defensive end in school history. All it took was a wad of cash of somebody else's money. They win the national title, like the Division II-A national title here. He is the end of NAIA All-American, All-Texas, and All-LSC teams. all-american all texas and all lsc teams in his senior year he was an naia all-america defensive end and all that sort of shit so he started going i'm gonna get that money and uh started practicing his autograph in his senior year because he's like i'm gonna have to sign these yeah people are gonna want that he does have a son at this point okay born to a dallas woman during college here um he his name is devincent robertson martin devincent devincent d.e vincent like saint de paul yes devincent yeah

you're you know de jimmy is a good name that's what you were almost named, I know. You told me that, right? You were this close to being DeJimmy. What year was this? This is 1979, 1972 probably. Fascinating. 1971, DeVincent Robertson Martin, raised by the boy's mother, and Harvey really didn't participate too, too much but he this devincent would say later on that harvey quote he's a good person so he wasn't too mad at him um so he was one of the most recognized names in the history of texas a&m university commerce which i think is different than regular texas a& right? It's probably the only recognizable name.

Maybe. He was inducted into its Hall of Fame in 1987 also, which isn't bad. In 2008, they started hosting the Harvey Martin Classic, where the school's football team plays against another team from their Lone Star Conference there. He's one of the greatest players in the history of you know lower level college football nowadays after two good games he would want to transfer to a bigger school yes which is fine that's i understand it's all your business i'm just saying like that was how back then you just sat in commerce and you played that was it so as a senior um here he was um selected to i guess they won a national

title that year and he was an nia all-american like i said and then the 1973 draft comes around jimmy first pick oh yeah 1973 nfl draft hit me with it it was uh it was terry br. No, I think that was 72, actually. Oh, I was close? I think you were close here. But John Matuszak, who you know of. He's a crazy big guy, and I believe he is a sloth as well from Goonies. Yeah. Yeah, so there you go.

He was the number one draft pick? Number one draft pick overall. He was a bad dude, man. He was a badass. Who did he get drafted by? Houston, originally. Houston. draft pick overall he was a bad dude man he was a badass and then number drafted by uh houston originally houston uh baltimore picked burt jones the quarterback for a while oh yeah yeah john hannah number four hall of famer that's a new england uh new england patriots offensive lineman hall of famer chuck foreman later on in that draft i'm looking for guys people might know ray guy

yeah that was the year that oakland selected a punter in the first round, but a Hall of Famer. Pick number 11. You're going to be blown away. Fuck. I mean, not bad at all. So we go here. Second round. Who's number 11?

I don't know. I was like, I don't know who number 11 is. I don't know who anybody was drafted in any slot in 1973. I would have no fucking clue. I wasn't sure. I did know that Oakland selected a punter, and it was a big deal. I didn't know it was 73. I knew it was back in the day, and it was Ray Guy, and he's in the Hall of Fame.

But whatever. Yeah, second round here. Who's in this draft? There's a bunch of people, I believe. Is it Ron Jaworski? Yeah, Ron Jaworski in the second round. Yeah, he's drafted by the Rams in the second round. Guys like that.

Not a lot of guys here really that big. The 73 draft doesn't look to be a real powerhouse draft. Did Ron get – he's a Hall of Famer, yes? I don't think Ron's in the Hall of Famer. He may not be. Let me check. Let me check. I don't know if he is or not.

Now we have to know. Ron Jaworski is not a Hall of Famer. How about that? Not a Hall of Famer. Phillies that? Not a Hall of Famer. Phillies? I mean, Eagles. Eagles, absolutely. Yeah, Eagles.

He was drafted by the Rams, but became famous with the Eagles. Third round, pick 53, Dallas. The Dallas Cowboys select Harvey Martin. How about it? Not bad, yeah. So his hometown team grew up in Dallas, went to school 60 miles out of there. They pick him up. And I don't know if maybe that's part of it. I wonder if his stepfather's friends, kids made it to the fucking NFL. Go to the NFL, mister. Get drafted by the Cowboys. Right.

Damn local team. Later on in that in that round, number three or number in the third round, number 64. So 11 picks later, the Chargers selected Hall of Famer Dan Fouts after that. So there were some people available there. He was jacked. He wanted to, because now his family and friends are always going to see his games. Yeah. And people called him the beautiful Harvey Martin for his smile. And he had a radio show called Beautiful Harvey Martin. That was his radio show

73 cowboys yeah they're 10 and 4 wow good team yeah they beat the rams in the playoffs lose in the conference championship to the vikings and um you know this is the old time cowboys this is the doomsday defense and all that kind of shit. Popular team. They had the cheerleaders, Staubach, a quarterback. I mean, they were a glamour team back then. Boots and glitter, babe. Unlike the last several years. We don't want to date this ever, but in the beginning of the 2023 football season, the Cowboys had a giant blowout win over the Yankees, over the Giants.

a giant blowout win over the Yankees, over the Giants. And they are all talking tons of shit for a team who has not won a fucking Super Bowl this century. Shut the fuck up. Seriously, this century. I know it felt like yesterday to you, but it wasn't. And the rest of us have really laughed at you for a long time. So shut up. Go have a look-see at how troy achman's eyes are

doing yeah we'll check you out again in week 14 and we'll see if you're still those things happy roll around in his head like a chameleon stands there staring vacantly into the camera week after week they wind them up and then he just starts saying football things football did that to him a lot so he loved being a football player he was digging this um he wanted to be a pass rusher he liked hearing the applause he liked everything he was fucking he said he first heard the cheers and was like oh they're cheering for me this is great when he first heard the cheers and was like, oh, they're cheering for me. This is great. When he hit the quarterback, wow, this is fucking awesome. He also liked to do other shit here. One day he went to go see Young Frankenstein.

Is that right? Which had just came out there. And the theater manager came up to him and said, are you Harvey Martin? Well, he was waiting online outside to buy a ticket. And he said, yeah. And they said, well, fuck well fuck follow me come on and uh harvey was like he said quote i said damn d-a-a-y-a-a-m damn this is worth being good it's like come right in to see young frank if i play really hard i can see blazing saddles fast like this is gonna be great i get vip service to see young Frankenstein? If I play really hard, I can see Blazing Saddles fast.

Like, this is going to be great. Are you VIP service to see Gene Wilder? He just realized that there are perks to celebrity and to, like, wealth and celebrity. He's like, oh, shit, this is why people work hard and do stuff, like, on the football field and they want to be stars. Because, like, they get treated like gold. Holy fuck. Wait till you find out about the girls, man. I know. He's going to be like, like they get treated like gold holy fuck let's find out about the girls man i know he's gonna be like whoa hey this one hey guys this one tried to put it in her mouth oh that's good okay yeah keep going no no keep going yeah they said it was i don't know i

thought she was gonna bite me i didn't know what was happening this one tried to take a nap in my lap that is not what she was about to do man when he finally saw a picture of his in the paper he cut it out and framed it really he's very excited to be doing well for himself here so he had nine sacks in his rookie year they didn't keep track of sacks back then but this they've gone back and retroactively kind of assigned sacks yeah imagine being the guy going through every single game with a scorecard marking off the Saks. Oh, Jesus. Wow.

That's a fucking slog right there. And he had nine in the first season? Nine in his first season. That's terrific. Which is goddamn good. That's 14-game season. Yeah. So not bad at all.

He met the woman who is going to not be his wife because he never gets married. We'll find out. He'll never marry. I don't know why he will never marry, but he's with a girl throughout the whole 70s here. Really? Yeah. Her name is Sharon Bell. So he meets her in the rookie year, and he described being fascinated with Sharon Bell.

Fascinated. He said, quote, this beautiful black woman possessed all the poison culture I lacked. She explained restaurant menus to me and wine selections and introduced me to symphonies and live theatrical productions. She taught him classy, like this is what you do when you're rich. And he's like, oh, OK, I didn't realize I've been eating at Arby's every night. What did he say she taught him uh restaurant menus and wine selections and symphonies and theatrical productions yeah but she didn't explain this to you she showed you just you know the classy life yeah she showed him what to do when you have money and power she showed him

go do these things what else did he think happened just he just was he i think he was just eating arby's and going to see young frankenstein i don't think he knew what the fuck you're supposed to do when you're like a wealthy yeah you know rich popular celebrity type person which i wouldn't fucking know either yeah i mean i still don't know what the real rich people do this is all just basic rich people shit but yeah yeah but i mean just upper class people shit this is like shit that we would when we were kids and nobody i knew knew anything about wine selections or symphonies or theatrical shit either so i get it about wine i didn't know i knew it existed yeah i knew my grandmother drank i'd heard of it i knew it was a popular drink in my family

but uh didn't really know about the different kinds. But when I was a kid and I'd heard about wine, when they talked about pairings, they made it sound like it was really fucking difficult to figure out. It's not that goddamn hard. Oh, that's good with that. It's real simple. White with light shit, red with dark. It's not that hard. And you just figure out which type you like.

You like it sweeter or drier. Well, here you go. It's that easy. Try this and try that. You like it sweeter or drier. Well, here you go. Set easy. Try this and try that. Here's a Sangiovese. Here's a fucking Pinot Noir. Which one do you like? What do you like?

There you go. Not that Sangiovese is all the way on that side, but you get it. Two different wines. So anyway, they say she didn't even like football. Uh-huh. I guess because she's classy. No, she likes fucking opera. Yeah.

She said that she thought he was a big-hearted, earnest person, and she liked him. She said, quote, he was very sweet, very kind, sort of a calm person. What I admired was a person who was determined to be the best. If that meant staying up all night looking at films, he did it. If that meant taking speech all night looking at films he did it if that meant taking speech lessons he did that wow so yeah he was looking to be he wanted to have a good life he was really looking for it so 1974 they're eight and six they don't make the playoffs obviously that's a disappointment for the cowboys here um i guess they kept trying to make him more aggressive

on the field yeah in the nfl no matter how aggressive you are, they tell you they want more aggression. If you're not foaming at the mouth trying to bite people as you tackle them, they're really thinking you're kind of half-assing it. That's how coaches treat people. It is. You can never be aggressive enough. So they wanted him to be confident, tougher, get a little cockiness to you. Stick your chest out and be like, that's right, bitch, look at me,

because he had all the physical talent in the world, but none of that. Yeah, check that out. Well, after the game, I'll show you my dick and really make you upset. I'm going to pull your ass out. Yeah. So I guess eventually he would practice against Rayfield Wright, who's a future Hall of Famer. Fuck yeah, he is. Lineman on the team there.

And he developed into, he'd get emotional when he'd get into it. He figured out a way to waterboy it, basically. He's waterboy, and he figured out a way to tap into his anger and fucking, you know, act like you're, think about you talking about his mama, and then he'll tackle you. You know, that's essentially exactly what he did. He's just a poverty-stricken sweet boy. Yeah, just a nice kid who you got to get. He's Bobby Boucher.

Yeah. That's exactly what he is. And they're just like, come on, Harvey. Yeah, he said your mama did this. I'm going to talk about my mama, and then he's going to attack. He's too old. So then they nicknamed him Too Mean. And by his third year, he's a full-time starter, which is good.

And this year, the Cowboys are 10-4. They beat the Vikings in the playoffs. They beat the Rams in the playoffs. And then they lose the Super Bowl to the Pittsburgh Steelers that year. Damn it. So that's a tough one for him, obviously. Joe Green, yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's on that team. But he's very happy, though. Starts all 13 games, nine and a half sacks. Doing great. Played in the Super Bowl. Played in the Super Bowl. He's fucking excited about it. How could you be upset with him for that?

So the defensive line coach said he would stare at Martin with disgust. He said, when things got tough, he'd look over at me for a way out i told him he had to stop trying to avoid every bump and bruise i told him he had to get mean yeah that's right he had to get mean god damn it he wanted that shit he said he just was trying to find his fire here so i think that's fucking having to yell at this giant guy come on god damn it you should be able to kick my ass. I just want to go to the movies with you. Fuck.

I guess in 76, the Cowboys had a rookie offensive tackle named Greg McGuire that said, Harvey's not strong. He's a rookie coming in talking shit. And so the next day, he faces up with Harvey on the first time in a drill and Harvey's in the three point stance and he did the head smack. Oh, the Deacon Jones. Yeah. A man or woman that that speech. Yeah. Head slap.

He did one of those and he cracked him on the side of the head and they said he was unconscious for eight minutes. McGuire. Oh, my God. So he knocked him out cold with a head slap. Hit the side of the man's helmet. Yeah. Knocked him out for eight minutes. Knocked him out for eight minutes.

That's a slap. That's a hard slap. Oh, boy. That's a slap with a helmet, a football helmet. Right. Think about that. Wow. Oh, my God.

That is crazy shit. So I guess his roommate on the road was drew pearson and he said that um they uh they would watch game films on the wall of the hotel room and uh he harvey would like slap the table and talk shit to himself to get himself pumped up and he was all sorts of crazy so he's trying to get himself mean he knew he had to try to get himself mean. While watching game film? While watching game film in a fucking hotel on the wall. Yeah. Projecting it on the wall.

Matted himself for something he did. Look at that. God damn it. Kick his ass, Harvey. Fucking idiot. So 76, they're 11-3, but they lose in the first round of the playoffs to the Rams. Wow. That's not good, I guess.

But Harvey, 14 and a half sacks that year holy shit he's a bad bad man pro bowler um not too shabby at all all pro pro bowl all that shit so he's really good this is when he gets you know to be a real popular guy 77 here they are 12 and 2 the cowboys are and they beat the bears in the playoffs they they beat the Vikings in the playoffs, and then go against the Broncos to the Super Bowl. And this was Hollywood Henderson snorting fucking coke on the field out of his inhaler, liquid cocaine, and all that kind of shit. Offensive coordinator here, Dan Reeves, by the way.

Is that right? Yeah, a little something for your Bronco fans out there. For the Cowboys, yeah. Wow. Yeah, absolutely. So the Cowboys, that's how you get to be a head coach you have an offensive uh you know a offensive coordinator of a super ball winner yeah yeah helps to have roger stawback too but yeah well or john elway wish wish wish old dan would have translated that shit into victories in denver yeah son of a bitch plenty

won plenty got the super bowl a lot just not that no no it's better than what he did with the giants he was a fucking disaster there so that was a mess so in 77 tony dorsett was drafted which i know another bronco connection there and uh martin said shit at that point he said we drafted Dorsett. We won the Super Bowl. He said, all the eyes are on me. He said, people are going to watch us and all that. And he's like, people need to look at the beautiful Harvey Martin. Starts getting this weird ego now.

Wow. Yeah, now he really starts getting this weird ego. And at this point in 77, this is the thing, because it's not officially tallied at the time. So they said in 77 he had 20 sacks. But we don't know. The record was just like 18 recently. Well, in 77, some people say that he had 23 sacks. But officially they have him listed on football reference as 20.

But a lot of other sources will say he had 23 sacks that year. So was it 22 and a half? I don't remember. 22 and a half is the record straight is now. Yeah, it's straight hand now. But they said that 23 was whatever. So either way, he's NFL defensive player of the year. All pro pro bowl, all everything.

Super Bowl champion. You fucking name it. I mean, just, you know, every Bowl champion, you fucking name it. I mean, just, you know, every accolade a guy could get for playing on the defensive line. He finished football. He's killing it. Yeah, he's killing it. So here's from an article that's published later in Sports Illustrated from 83.

They talk about the Cowboys going to the Super Bowl, and all week before the Super Bowl, Martin was telling the media, quote, I dream of security. Okay. He said, being black and growing up in America, let's face it. I have to move when I can because when I'm not Harvey Martin all league, it could be tough. I think of Dwayne Thomas. When he was a star with the Cowboys, people bragged that they knew him. Then he got caught with some grass, and it was like he didn't exist that was a sad tale duane thomas they he got caught with like an eighth of weed and they he his complete nfl career over destroyed him

yeah he was done like it was a fucking disaster it's the stupidest fucking thing ever so um harvey said that he he when they announced that he and randy were the co-MVPs of the Super Bowl, which was another defensive lineman. Yeah, Randy White. So he said it was the best feeling he ever had, being the biggest game and all that shit. He was the defensive player of the year. Like I said, a consensus all-pro selection. He's got a Super Bowl ring. He's got an MVP trophy.

They gave him a commercial for orange crush oh beat the broncos yeah so that makes sense um he had a mercedes benz he's got a cataclysm a big cadillac el dorado oh he's got endorsements personal appearances he's doing local commercials and everybody just horns on it can't wait oh big ones boss hoghorns everybody can't wait to stuff money into harvey's pockets women want his dick it's just a just a wild thing and he's got he's got sharon bell at home he's very happy sure so very happy here um he still got the jaw though the underbite oh really he grew a big beard to cover the underbite here uh but then after the super bowl he got his jaw fixed oh he went and got surgery on his jaw they cut a half

inch out of each side of his jaw and reset it shortened it shortened it reset it i had to do all of that they had to break and reset the bones and clamp braces on his teeth and a wire and all this shit. Yep. And then he said after that, he said, now life's going to be a breeze, though. Now he can eat pizza again. Okay. Yeah.

They had to eat from a straw for two months. Sure. He went from 260 to 214 pounds at that point. And coaches were like, hey, you might want to. We need you to be big. How are you going to be like full physical strength by training camp, be like 260 and ready to blast through people here? So it's very strange here. He said that he had a friend save him a seat in the back of movie theaters,

and then she would rush out to his car and tell him the house lights were out, and then he could sneak in. So he didn't want anybody to see him at that point yeah uh when the two days after the wires came off he's filming commercials doing all that sort of shit and you know being a big fucking smile and all that and just yay he's got a super bowl ring on and that's when he gets is the beautiful harvey martin show okay awesome shit um he says quote i was a rude inconsiderate bastard to sharon i lost all touch with reality this is getting his jaw fixed he just became a cunt well he won the super bowl got his jaw he became yeah like a national obsession and got his jaw fixed and people loved him and all this shit.

And he felt more confident all at the same time. Wow. And he went from Bobby Boucher to like a bad guy in an 80s movie out of nowhere. Now he's a bully and a dick. He became actually pretty and he's a jerk to everybody. Oh, yeah. He said that women loved him and all these women would gather around him and giggle at everything he said and all that sort of shit. He forgot.

Yeah, that's it. But he said he would say this always to himself. Well, what are you going to do when your football career is over, Harv? Yeah. Then what? So he told himself, without football, Harvey Martin is nothing. And he said, I remember having nothing. So he started to invest a whole bunch.

He wanted to invest his money and make more money. He said, when you're a pro football player, you can't take it slow. You might get hurt. You might get left out. Your name might be gone. So, yeah. In 73, he had lost $5,000 buying a piece of land that turned out to be at the bottom of a lake. Someone sold him lake bottom land.

So he just owns a section of land in the middle of a lake. He didn't do a drive-by and look at this property? They said it's in a lake. And he went, oh, man, I'm going to buy this property. It's on a lake. In and on, I think he just blew past it. I'm pretty sure they just sold him like like longitude and latitude yeah you own a square of lake well it's under you know 30 feet of water but it's it's in the middle out there so this ever dries

up you're gonna have a prime spot right in the middle very forward thinking in 2043 it's gonna be dry oh yeah lake ray hubbard in texas it's probably dry now yeah because the fucking river in austin was dry this summer so i mean that used to be a big flowing river so i don't know so he had uh he lost another twenty thousand dollars when a couple of sapphires that he was going to invest in he invested in a couple of sapphires big sapphires that were allegedly worth $350,000. But he's going to get them for $20,000. And it turned out to be not sapphires,

just paperweights, just fake rocks that you give your kid to play with. Oh, God damn it. He also lost $10,000 on a nightclub called The Balls. Yeah. The Balls is what it's called. The Stinky Nutsack. Come on in, everybody.

Well, in the 70s, The Balls was like a great thing. And that's embarrassing. How fast did that go away? The Balls was not a good thing anymore. The fact that he was a part owner, I bet it was fucking sports themed though. Yeah. You're probably right. I bet it was a sports themed nightclub.

Yeah. Yeah. Pictures of him all over the place. It burnt down anyway. So that didn't work out well. They didn't have insurance to get our money back? God damn it. We forgot that one.

What kind of a cocky fuck insures their balls? You know what I mean? So in 76, he invested in a barbecue restaurant named Smokey John's. That's fine. In 78, he opened a nightclub

called Lucifer's. That's folksy and quaint. Lucifer's. The wait is over. So far, you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that. Bing!

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Okay, so, um... This is not a so. This is a period. Classic Judy. Did you sleep with her? Yes, Your Honor. You married his cousin. His brother. That's not him.

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Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. And a restaurant named Recipes, which is a that sounds like a restaurant named now. It would be one word, stupid, annoying. These were both in Dallas. In 79, he opened a restaurant in Irving named Smokey's Express. And in 1980, he bought a block of renovated restaurants and office spaces in San Antonio and a second Smokey's Express in Dallas. And then in 81, a second Smokey John's.

And then another restaurant called The Rib Cage in El Paso. Who forgot to tell him that restaurants are a horrible way to lose a whole bunch of money? Very, very. What are the worst ways I can throw nightclubs, restaurants? Yes. That's all he's doing. This is what sports figures do because they go, what do I know about? I'm either on the football

field or I'm at a restaurant or a nightclub. So they feel like they know those things and they get into them. And also it's more fun. You can have like an industrial paving company where that's where the money is. If you wanted to invest something or some shit like some boring business that you don't even know what it is. But that's not fun. Right.

Something that sells a product that takes effort. Whereas this. Yeah. Any fucking asshole can sell a bottle of booze. And it's fun. You're going to come in and people. Hey, there's Harvey. And he can.

Hey, you know. You know what? That's on me, guys. Hey, Harvey's the best. And he can eat and drink and fuck girls and you know finger the waitresses it's 1970s that's what they're thinking rather than you want to go hang out in a paving yard and you know not finger anybody did not that finger a guy named sal who comes in with always has half a sandwich in his hand. Skid marks in his underwear. You want me to send these guys out on a job or what?

Come over here, Sal. Bend over. Sal, I'm just going to run my finger around your belly button for a minute, Sal, because it's pointing right at me, and I think it just winked at me. I've got to have a poke. How deep is your belly button? I'm really digging the flat ass of yours, Sal. Yeah, Sal. The way your jeans hang off your ass because it's non-existent.

Really, it's pretty sexy to me. I gotta be honest with you. I've always wanted to look and see what's not under there. Come on, Sal. Let's explore each other's bodies, Sal. Let's go. Sal and the monkey bear. Let's do this.

Come on. Let's do this. Short butt crack. Come on. Let's see how far that butt crack goes down. What do you say? Your pants fall down, but your ass crack never falls out. It's crazy. I don't know how you do it, but I'm curious to find out. Is it tape?

What is it? He also bought three houses and a bunch of real estate that was on dry land which is helpful um he was good he'd be in tv personalities and all that and he was but he's doing commercials and he's being beautiful harvey martin he's doing all this shit he doesn't really have time to go over books and you know do businessy stuff that's boring sure no one wants to do that that's boring you know so he would write a check and drop it in a mailbox on the way somewhere and doing his shit and you know then he'd go off to an appearance make a thousand dollars you do sometimes he'd do shit for nothing he's just spending money and

didn't know what he was really spending it on or how much was coming in or oh my god just figured it was all fine he would spend time with kids at the special olympics kids okay he'd spend all day doing stuff with that he'd referee games and sign autographs and then you know he'd do that for 12 to 14 hours and you know all sorts of shit like that he's a he's a nice guy people like him yeah yeah he they said he liked to watch cartoons and drink kool-aid he loved wily coyote had a big giant wily coyote stuffed animal in his bedroom he said why why do you like him and he said he's the one who kept coming back no matter how many times he would get fucked up he kept coming back great point he perseveres well yeah excellent point he can blow himself up he kept coming back great point he perseveres excellent point he can

blow himself up and then plummet down a cliff and then you know the next day he's ordering something else yeah and you know why he did that it's because tomorrow they need another show yeah of course he's coming back gotta work it's like why are we recording this today after we were just i mean both of us should probably be resting today and instead i'm like no we'll do it again it's not like we're running around the block we're just talking we'll do it like roadrunners fuck it let's do it so um in june of 78 a friend picked him up at the airport and said the irs had called while you were away i was staying at his house for the 77 tax year he only filed his personal return

his corporate return which should have reported income of approximately 45 000 from radio stuff and all this other shit wasn't he never filed anything okay so he says his accountant who had all of his earnings sent to him and who mailed Harvey three monthly statements on how it had been dispersed, admitted the oversight and took the blame. And he had to. Martin agreed to pay up immediately and blah, blah, blah. So the government, though, began to audit past returns and decided that he owed like two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Oh, shit. Yeah.

So now they threatened him with jail with this. If he didn't pay up immediately. So it's not good. And then they said Cowboys equipment managers started handing him messages when he'd walk out of meetings. Call Lucifer's, call Smokey John's, call the bank here. You know, he's covers and people not paying the money they need for their bills coming in. And this distributor is not bringing any more meat unless we pay him. in and this distributor is not bringing any more meat unless we pay him.

They said he would walk onto the practice field worried about a broken heater in the nightclub or the fact that there's short staff at Smokey John's or some shit like that. His loan payments started to fall behind and he said he never was around enough to know what was going

on. At one point, undercover agents stopped by Lucifer's to ask about alleged drug trafficking at the club. And there's also rumors of prostitution running out of the club as well. So they said, you know, money was vanishing from the cash register. Martin opened the club with $25,000 from his 78 Super Bowl check for winning the Super Bowl. And he gave one third interest to two different friends who put up $1,300. But I guess they were going to run it.

That's how it was going to work. They were going to put sweat equity in, if you want to put it in quotes there. The $25,000 was gone in the first three months. And he had to pump in more and more and more money. Sure. Because it's a nightclub. It's an endless pit of money. He, janitorial equipment for $12,000.

And that's what they gave him an invoice for. They're like, how is that janitorial? It's a fucking mop and a ringer thing. It's not. $12,000 worth of Windex? What's happening? In the 70s. Yeah.

So things like that. He's getting robbed blind by everybody. So 1978, Cowboys go back to the Super Bowl. They're 12-4 that year. They go back to the Super Bowl and lose to the Steelers 35-31. That was a close game and a good game, too, actually. I obviously wasn't around to watch it, but I have seen highlights, and it looked pretty goddamn good.

Classic sports exists. Yeah. So they asked him about Randy White in 78, and Harvey said, I can't say too many bad things about a guy who pulls you out of the fire a whole lot. If you're looking for a lot of crummy things on Randy White, I can't say him. The man has been too good to me. He's a good man. To me, he's the perfect defensive tackle.

He's strong and quick and mean. That's the co-MVP with him there. Next year, 79, 11-5 the Cowboys are, and they lose to the Rams in the first round of the playoffs. Not great, obviously. They have been doing some winning, though. My God. Oh, yeah. They were great in the 70s.

So this year he has eight and a half sacks. He's still a pro bowler every year. I mean, because he's a popular player. People know his name and all that kind of thing here. The week before the game with the Redskins in 79 somebody sent harvey a funeral wreath somebody on the redskins yeah and said uh quote sympathy for an impending loss okay the cowboys beat them 35 34 and i guess harvey was still pissed about the the flowers yeah the wreath he marched into the redskins locker room with the wreath and threw

it in the middle of the player huddle and said take this damn thing back to washington with you uh-huh yeah so he's got balls yeah i mean you know he could have got the shit beaten out of him by 50 guys so we beat you now take this home yeah um he kept being able to get new bank loans because it's dallas and he's a star of the cowboys huh so banks just want to be in business with him to oh well maybe we'll go out for a drink sometime harvey and the vice president of the bank knows harvey martin now and he can tell his friends that so maybe i can go to a gang give him another 50 grand who cares that sort of thing and he's here we know where he is right he's playing for the cowboys so uh lucifer's went under after six months yeah

when the texas alcohol beverage commission demanded its percentage of the drinks sold and they didn't save enough money to pay it so they had to close the two owner co-owner brothers and martin's sister and a girlfriend who had helped operate the club uh there so they all had all of them were arguing with each other and fucking everybody blamed everybody else. And Harvey's the one losing his ass. Unbelievable. 1980,

they're 12 and four of the Cowboys. They go all the way to the conference championship, but lose to the Eagles there. So that was when, uh, yeah, the Eagles went and then lost the super bowl to the Raiders. I think that year.

So they've only won recently. That's it. That's how that goes Harvey has 12 sacks again this year though oh I mean shit that's not too bad at all I mean he's still plugging away on the sacks uh the next year they are 12 and 4 again they lose to the San Francisco 49ers on the the catch the yeah the you know Montana rolling right throwing in the end zone catch their NFC championship game so there's that no that Taylor's 88 89 so that from the 88 season this is the Dwight Clark oh Clark yeah Clark in the corner on his fingertips like they're fucking just catch for no reason that was yeah that was impressive shit there. Yeah, good catch there. So November 15th, 1981, he's going to dip his toe in the acting waters.

What? Let's get in a movie. Let's see what goes on there. He's going to act. So he's in the movie. It's a TV movie called The Stealer and the Pittsburgh Kid. It's a movie based on the Coca-Cola commercial with Mean Joe Green. It's a movie based on the Coca-Cola commercial with Mean Joe Green.

So the moment in the commercial, if you don't know, because they showed the commercial, like, again, a few years ago. Yeah, it had a resurgence. And everybody kind of has seen it parodied, too. It's Joe Green. He's got the jersey over his shoulder after a game, walking out, and the kid gives him a fucking Coke. And I'm going, hey, Mean Joe. And he turns around, and the kid's like, here you you go and mean joe drinks it and he's all happy and then he goes hey kid and he throws the kid his jersey right the kid's all excited that's the so if you took that moment

and said what would happen all around that and made a movie out of it that's what they did who gives a shit who that's the dumbest fucking idea I've ever heard in my life. The dumbest shit I've ever heard. But that commercial was huge. It was the biggest commercial ever. So you have to do something with it. So they did it. But obviously, I don't know how you'd make it.

That's worse than an SNL sketch. There you go. It's three and a half minutes long. How's that going to be a movie? This is a commercial. It doesn't even have a story. He just walked off and a kid gave him a Coke. I mean, you don't even know who this kid is it's it's 30 seconds yeah it's got an 8.5 out of 10 on imdb though is that right that's from people voting so i mean it's the only people who have

seen it are people who love mean joe green i'm sure and you know uh they say mean joe green and the pittsburgh steelers a temporarily adopt a nine-year-old boy what remember this is like the globetrotters movies used to do that like with the commercials they are the cartoons globetrotters and they'd have like a kid they take around they temporarily adopt a nine-year-old boy and they learn a valuable lesson from each other of course the kid yeah featured as a dream sequence where the kid plays quarterback for the pittsburgh steelers this show is based on the popular award-winning 1979 coca-cola commercial where green trades his jersey in exchange for coke from the kid the commercial was so successful it was

run all over the world and different versions were eventually filmed for different sports using top athletes of the day henry thomas who played the boy, also played Elliott in E.T. there, shot on location in Dallas, Texas at Texas Stadium. A local semi-pro team was used to fill out the roster. So there you go. This stars, Jesus Christ, Mean Joe Green, Frank O'Harris playing himself, a bunch of people like that. Henry Thomas, otherwise not a whole lot of big stars in that one.

Eight and a half sacks for him in the 81 season, but who cares? There's a movie he's in. That's fun. It's about football, though, so he's not stretching his legs. Yeah. Later on, in December of 2001, he'll say that he brewed free-base cocaine and smoked it in Hawaii before the Pro Bowl that year.

Brewed it. Brewed it. So I pictured him with a pot on the stove and a big ladle like a witch, like a cauldron. But it's him and some baking soda. I'm brewing cocaine. He's going around and, yeah, he's tasting it. Mmm, perfect. He's going around and, yeah, he's tasting it.

Mmm, perfect. So I guess no Lucifers. Like we said, that's gone. But they said that Cowboys would see him in between meetings on the phone and being all flustered. And they'd be like, Jesus Christ, what the fuck is going on here? Every year he's leading the team in sacks. But still, they're like, Jesus, this guy, he seems not be as uh involved in football and is giving a shit in football as he should be here he got a full length brown brown suede coat with a fur collar that's called a trench coat that's called a trench coat which is that's that's fun with a fur collar i it's i'm telling you i wish i could

pull that shit off that'd be fun that's what i mean a big 70s fucking yeah that'd be dope it's better than a diamond collar like somebody else we know chris tucker was in charlotte at the same time as us and uh wore a white suit with a diamond encrusted collar diamond encrusted collar. Diamond-encrusted collar. He's like, I got Jackie Chan money, motherfucker. You didn't have to do this, Chris. No, Chris, Chris, this is unnecessary, sir. Holy shit.

So at Christmas, he would call a friend who sold jewelry and say, hey, man, need some presents. And he would spend $1,000 and say, they said, you know know, you get a bunch of things for a bunch of people. He would lend money to relatives, friends. He'd give money, you know, some to anybody. He lent his Mercedes to his friend and ended up having to pick it up with a tow truck because the guy left it somewhere. Yeah. His friends would stay at his house and load his fucking bills up. His long distance bills would be there he bought expensive fish

the most asshole move fish well even dumber because he had a tank with piranhas and the guy who sold his fish told him you can put these fish in them and the piranhas won't eat them and he said he woke up and all the fish were eaten and all his money was gone so he was like what the fuck uh not great here um he said that uh but everybody said he was nice though he said one time he's driving down the street with a friend of his and his friend remembers he suddenly slammed on the brakes and jumped out of his car just left it in the middle of the street with the door open he said a bag lady was going through a trash can harvey handed her twenty dollars and said ma'am please don't let me see you going through the trash can again that's well twenty dollars isn't going to do it forever you know

oh twenty dollars heat forever yeah here you go it's that'll do it they said he trusted everyone a woman claimed that he was the father of her baby, and he began just paying child support. That tells you that he's just out there banging, and he has no idea what he's got. He probably fucked her. He just didn't. He had to. That's not actually his kid. Unless he's that stupid.

I've never seen you before. You don't remember Detroit back in 74? Oh, shit. I was pretty. I don't remember who I fucked back then. Yeah, I guess so. Sounds right. I left one in 74? Oh, shit. I was pretty. I don't remember who I fucked back then. Yeah, I guess so. Sounds right. I left one in you?

That sounds like me. Yeah. That sounds like me. Jesus Christ. You moron. So then she threatened him with a paternity suit asking for more money and saying she was going to embarrass him and all this type of shit. Then he got blood tests and he wasn't even the father but he continued paying the money anyway he's an angel he said quote such a cute little kid oh jesus christ man what the fuck

what a heart that's a heart and oh god you're giving this person this scumbag person who lied to you i've seen a lot of cute kids man i'm not paying for all of them you're a cute little kid that's somebody else's motherfucking problem and you pat him on his little head and you send him on his way there you go your dad must have been a handsome man sorry you don't know him you should track him down and get money from him i don't give a fuck how cute you are i'm not paying for if it was a friend that said oh my god i have this kid and i don't have any money and i was a football player i'll help you out then but if you go it's yours like and then it's not mine i'm not giving you shit and i'm suing you for everything i fucking gave you that ain't my kid

matter of fact i want it back i want want everything back, but I guess not. His phone number and house keys, I just gave them out. People would call at 4 a.m. all the time. Nobody minded. Calls to London called for people, and people would charge shit from pay phones to his phone number. I would just charge my home phone and give him Harvey's number. You could do that back in the 70s. What the fuck?

Yeah. Drew Pearson said he stayed at Harvey's house for six months and said, quote, I'd wake up and see people there who weren't there when I went to bed. People would show up in the middle of the night and just stay? Just people would come in and out like it was like a hotel. He said Harvey would find his clothes fucked up and could tell someone had gone through his drawers and looking through his shit. I guess a $2,400 watch disappeared, which is like a $20,000 watch now. So he bought a $3,000 watch to replace it. A girlfriend bought him a $1,700 gold bracelet with 37 diamonds spelling Harvey.

Wow. And asked him to co-sign on the loan when she couldn't get the credit. So he ended up paying for it. His own fucking gift. Yeah, his own gift there. Harvey said, though, he felt, I guess he couldn't tell anybody, no, couldn't turn these people down. He would hear from school friends, from high school teammates, and shit like that. From, hey, Harvey. You know know he's like fuck man he's really started to started to fucking have to deal with this he

said he got so stressed he started losing his hair he started um yeah and money hair and money going oh my god going uh he would wear hats and and and would stop sitting on couches because he didn't want anybody to be above him to see his head and make fun of him. So he wouldn't. He'd just stand up with a hat on and be like, I have lots of hair. He got very vain all of a sudden. Oh, really quickly. Yeah. Since he got that jaw fixed, he's like, I am pretty.

God damn it. Yeah. He couldn't sleep and he would stay he would just hole up in his house after a while just really turned into a different kind of guy um people would send bank pay bank statements and loan overdue shit piling up in his mailbox he had to pay the uh the irs is after him he has to pay all these lawyers fees to fight it off tens of thousands of dollars. He didn't call his mom for a month at the height of his depression.

He used to call his mom all the time. He started to he just started to sit there and stare at his pool after a while. Think of the things that could have happened and things that should have been and that aren't. Looking at that bracelet that he had to buy. A girl he went out with at one point scaled his wooden fence and kicked in the plexiglass in his back door and broke in. He's got crazy people all around him, and he's just a mess, man. What the fuck? In August of 81, Sharon Bell agreed to marry Harvey. And, you know, try to help him.

That's what she said. They were going to marry in the autumn, but he didn't want to. He said, never mind. Okay. He said a little bit of him still needed to be able to go out to the bars and have girls come up to him at 2 o'clock in the morning and stroke his ego a little bit. You know, it makes him feel good, and he needs that that still so it got postponed until the next valentine's day and when that came up he postponed it again and he said quote i just can't go through with it he just needs to lose everything that's that's the only way he's gonna learn he's yeah he needs he got when he first this all is from like adulation that he needs.

He heard the crowd cheer and he didn't see that as means to an end. He saw that as fuel that he could use. So he needs that. He needs the ego. He needs people to stroke him. He's your box hero. Rather than understand that that is, you're trying to get to a point of an end. That's not the end that you're looking for.

This helmet's got stars on each side. Yeah. Fuck. On each side. It's a real jukebox hero. He is. He said, I didn't feel like a guy's supposed to feel when he gets married. I don't know what that feeling is, but I didn't feel it.

And besides, i was in the middle of all my financial problems and i never take my problems to anybody so he didn't want to get married 1982 here uh january 3rd 1982 this is in the abbyville meridional meridional is the name of this fucking publication you can't say that do you got the meridional meridional is the name of this fucking publication. You can't say that. Y'all got the Meridional? Meridional. Welcome to the New Savers, Tim. What can I get for you? Let me get the Abvale Meridional.

Especially in a Texas drawl. The Meridional. What? Huh? Maryland? What was that? Hey, we don't have Maryland papers here. Maranara? I? What was that? Hey, we don't have Maryland papers here. Maranara?

I don't have that in Texas. I'm sorry. Not allowed. It's not allowed here. Yeah, so that's where he is. This is Sports Talk with Harvey Martin. Okay. And they're asking him, this is a Q&A of him here, and they said, what do you think of the Cowboys being called America's team?

Oh, yeah. He said, quote, as players, we didn't ask for it. It puts added pressure on you. And if you want to be the best, added pressure isn't going to do anything but make you perform better. A lot of people make good football players out of themselves under that type of pressure. They said, are you always an emotional player? He said, my emotions run with the flow of the game if i'm involved i play better when you play on emotion you can make mistakes the other players can take advantage of i try to play with emotion without

letting it show they said you're the only native of dallas on the cowboys did you dream about playing it uh about for the cowboys as a kid, the Cowboys didn't fucking exist when he was a kid, number one. He was born in 1950. They didn't exist until he was 10. Sophomore year of high school, his stepdad was furious that the boy didn't even know how to play football. Yeah, so probably not. He said, that was too much to dream about, just too much. I never thought it would happen to me.

I always thought I'd wind up in business. Playing for the Cowboys was something I refused to dream about. Jesus, he wanted to be a businessman. He's terrible at it. What is he doing? He said, I figured I'd save myself the hurt of not playing for Dallas. I wouldn't do that for myself. So he didn't even dream about it. drafted you he said strangely enough i was upset i wanted to be drafted by somebody away from the area because i'd never been on an airplane i wanted somebody to buy me a plane ticket so i could fly around and get used to it he said playing at east texas state i just drove to school from dallas we won a national championship when i was a senior but they had the final two games at east east texas state everyone was flying in and we didn't go anywhere how great is that that's wild he just got to hang out and stay at home fuck man um that's interesting they said do you have to make a big adjustment to play professional football

and he said i had one advantage because dwight white of the steelers was my roommate at college he's always been the person i looked up to he's sort of a big brother who'd given me all kinds of advice. He said also he and Mean Joe Green helped him work on his moves before he went to his first training camp because Joe Green lived in Dallas. So that's nice of him. Jesus Christ.

Very fucking cool. So yeah, they talked a little bit about his college career and shit like that. So they said, are you a religious person? And he says, I'm not overly religious, but I believe a lot of good things have happened to me in life. I know they wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been for God watching over me. I just feel that everything I've got, he gave me. It's just the way I was raised.

Well, that sounds like you are religious then, should have been your answer. Yes. Hey, you just credited God with this shit. A non-religious person doesn't do that. That's what I mean. Seems like you're religious. So in early 1982, or August 82, the largest drug raid in Dallas history got 35 suspects here. Dallas history got 35 suspects here.

And, the Cowboys vice president of personnel development, Gil Brandt, he wasn't one of the people busted, but he told Harvey Martin that pictures had been found of him with one of the key figures in an alleged multimillion dollar cocaine ring. Um, and also a barber. Uh,

he was also a barber who had cut Martin's hair. So Martin tried to just be like, oh, yeah, that's crazy. What are you talking about? But the rumors kept swirling about Harvey and cocaine and all this type of shit and Harvey and cocaine. And one time he's signing kids autographs and a reporter asked him about the cocaine. And he looked at the little boys, then the reporter, and then he got in his car and slammed the door and took off. How dare you ask me about cocaine in front of children you know that i can't answer that i'm gonna make an ass of myself in front of these babies shit's good i like doing it off hooker's asses woo kids don't do what i do stay in school play hard and, and listen to your mother.

Okay. So he tried to do all of this type of shit, but now it's just everything. His businesses fail, and the IRS is after him, and this woman with paternity suits, and then this stuff, and cocaine. It all adds up here. In December of this year, he files for bankruptcy, listing $611,987 in debts, 145 creditors, and 11 lawsuits filed against him or corporations including his name. Eleven. Not good.

So, yeah, September 24th, 1982, he's trying to settle a case with the IRS. He's doing his best to do that. He's the subject of a big investigation for failing to report a lot of his income. It was like hiding things here. Also, they said that there's reports linking him to the huge cocaine thing. And this is all from the paper. He says that Martin's tax problems have absolutely no connection with the cocaine thing. That's crazy.

He said, I don't think it's going to materialize into much is what the source said for this, meaning that they don't think Martin's going to be involved in the criminal things. And yeah, Martin said, quote, It's been going on for three years with the IRS. I'm hoping we can work something out. I'd love to work it out with the government and pay what I owe. I'd love to not go to jail. That'd be terrific. That's what I'm trying to do here. He said, the bottom line is my accountant at the time didn't report my income right.

I'm paying the supreme price for placing my trust in someone. He said, when the IRS is looking at you, you want to make those people happy. I gave the IRS all the corporation records. I didn't have anything to hide. He said, yeah, it looked bad at you. You want to make those people happy. I gave the IRS all the corporation records. I didn't have anything to hide. He said, yeah, it looked bad at first. Large amounts of money were moving through Harvey Martin corporate accounts and portions were not reported to the IRS. He said he mistakenly placed his trust in the wrong person. He said it was stuff that his accountant didn't report out of complete negligence. And he said even the accountant has admitted that in a deposition. He's just bad at it.

Then he also said it's kind of hard to blame these people when so many are trying to steal their taxes. I don't blame the government. If someone doesn't report their income and the person is someone prominent like a Dallas cowboy or a councilman or something, I'd go after him too. There you go. He's like, I'm go after him too. Yeah, there you go. He's like, I'm not blaming, I'm not even mad at the government. Please don't put me in jail.

I'm on your side. I'll pay you. Then he says, from now on, I'll handle my own money. That's not a good idea either. Or I'll let my mother or my wife when I get a wife. When I get a wife. I'm going to hire one of those wives and they'll have her do it i don't think the irs will be fine with that answer uh yeah don't worry we'll handle this

when i get a wife jesus christ so yeah so they said that uh one of the top ranking federal agents who's working on the combined dea and fbi investigation was angry about the release of pictures and stressed that martin's presence in the photograph DEA and FBI investigation, was angry about the release of pictures and stressed that Martin's presence in the photograph with the drug guy was not an indication that he had any connection with the cocaine ring. He said, I don't believe that should cast doubt on someone's character strictly because of a photograph. That's what the guy said.

So that makes sense. Yeah, if he knows a barber and that barber sells coke, that doesn't mean he's involved in a cocaine ring. He does lines with his barber, maybe. That's what that means at most. If he's aware that the guy has coke. Yeah. So 1982, the Hood County News here says,

win a sporty Camaro Z28 when Harvey Martin's leaning against it, or one of over 70 autographed footballs by harvey martin so you can win a z28 or a harvey martin football i can get a car or a football at all pro auto parts in texas here so there's that that's what that's the kind of stuff he's doing any endorsements he can get he needs he needs money you offer the guy a grand, he'll show up. It's that kind of shit. 82 Cowboys go 6-3. That was the strike-shortened year. They lose to the Redskins in the conference championship.

Again, a disappointment. They were so good for so long and didn't really get the Super Bowls that they should have had. One day during the strike, he came home during the strike this is from a 1983 sports illustrated article says that he quote pushed

the button in his jaguar that raised the garage door parked the car then turned the knob on the door to his house the door was locked it seemed everyone in dallas had a key to martin's house except martin Except himself. He pulled his right foot back and kicked and kicked and kicked, and then he walked through the splinters and shook. Oh, my God. He just kicked his way through his door, which is the advantage to being gigantic, I suppose.

Two weeks before the strike ended, Channel 5 took away Martin's sportscasting job. The director of sports, Scott Murray, said people liked his work, but he was undependable. We'd have a camera crew waiting somewhere and he wouldn't show up. We'd have a film editor on overtime waiting and he'd come three hours late.

He was just such a nice guy and an easy touch that he'd allowed himself to get involved in too many other things. Wow, so he was fucked up. At a post-strike game in Washington, fans celebrated his bankruptcy at the time because it was the same week by throwing pennies at him. Here, Harvey, we'll help you.

That's nice. A Redskin lineman during an extra point attempt said, Hey, Harvey, need a loan? Like people were fucking with him there about his money. So that's not good. One play, on a play late in the game, Joe Theismann, the Redskins quarterback, who snapped his leg in half a few years later, throws an interception. Martin landed a forearm and drilled him right in the face with it after the throw.

So then he also hit Art Monk later on in the head and fucked him up. And there you go. And then he's fined by the league $1,500 that he doesn't have, obviously. He's getting the fine now for fighting back. For beating up players. He beat up a receiver and a fucking quarterback. The linemen are talking shit to him. Sure.

But, you know, they're harder to beat up, I guess. So he, uh, chapter seven bankruptcy clears up his deal here. This is what sports illustrated said. Martin thought the storm had finally passed. He had shrugged off his debts through the miracle of chapter seven. And his mother now controlled his finances with the,

with a Cobra of a checkbook that snapped. Anytime Harvey's fingers came near, he registered eight sacks in the strike-shortened season, and many felt it was the best football he'd played in three years. Yeah. In the week before the Cowboys' second-round playoff game against Green Bay, Martin saw men gathered around his locker after practice whispering. They were news reporters who wanted Martin's reaction to stone's testimony in court

stone is the guy who cuts his hair but got busted for the coke yeah that day that martin's involvement was more serious than a few friendly snapshots okay stone said quote he would go in on it cocaine meaning with me he would say here's some money i want so and so i don't think he'd ever done it before he knew me i think i talked him into taking a toot so martin said god what are you talking he said quote please believe me someone's trying to hurt me bad i don't know why my god he lied on me my god he lied on me my My God. He lied. So the guy is saying he'd have five on it and he'd go in and get the same amount and tell me what he wants. Yeah, they go in on shit together here.

So they said that Harvey went home and all the pain and all the anxiety of the years came galloping back to him on the heels of this hot breathing new hurt. He remembered Dwayne Thomas. His heart pounded. He still couldn't sit still and feel this anymore. came galloping back to him on the heels of this hot breathing new hurt he remembered duane thomas his heart pounded he still couldn't sit still and feel this anymore he called his mother and told her he was quitting football that day oh a midnight rap on the door from awakened an ex-cowboy tackle rayfield right who was a veteran that helped martin in his early years right and his robe opened the door uh this is what Wright said later. Just looking at Harvey, I got chill bumps all over me. I'm quitting, Kat, Martin said.

I'm sick of people accusing me of things I haven't done. Man, Wright said, you're going to quit because of that? And Harvey said, I'm tired of fighting. My life is a fight. That's what he said. He said, no matter how weak or tired you get, living is fighting is what the other guy told him. He said that he cried.

Martin cried. And he said, you know what I really think it is? Beneath it all, Wright said it was the shame that he had brought to his mama. Brought his mama shame. So he went home at 2 a.m. And then he ended up calling tight end Billy Joe Dupree and going through the whole thing again at 2 a.m. So he's just looking for people to talk to. In the morning, he didn't report to work.

And his sister called. And after 20 rings, he answered, telling her he was going to drive to his late grandmother's old house. Oh, no. That's weird. Mary said he wanted to escape back to his old haven. I lit into him. I told him I was going to leave my kids and sit on his front stoop until he went to practice. I told him if he quit, he was admitting guilt.

He said, I still don't know. And I yelled, then you're guilty. He started screaming and then he started apologizing. And I said, there you go again, apologizing to everyone for showing your real feelings. And his mother called and said, you're not going to quit. That's just what some honky wants you to do she's not fuck yeah yeah that's just what some honky wants you to do that's a great line so he went to practice there and he kept doing it and people kept fucking with him and the dallas police chief announced he would not pursue

the allegations against harvey really but harvey's friends stopped calling him because they thought maybe his phone was bugged yeah people didn't want to like be associated with him because they thought he was being watched and shit like that so you know it's 1983 everybody's doing coke and nobody wants to be around him and he thinks and now he's losing friends yep harvey said i went through it all. No one called me aside and said, it's okay, we understand. That's okay, but I'll remember it. Randy White, I love him and he's a great player, is the only one who gets a pat on the back on this team. And it was all because some defense attorney wanted to take attention off his client.

I, Harvey Martin Proper, never did a damn thing. How much can one man take? How much can one man take? Is that right? That's what is that right that's what he said that's what he said i've been framed that's it uh drew pearson said hey when you're talking uh drug when you're uh when you're talking drugs it's stay away as far away from me as possible guys have to do that just to protect themselves so he's like i don't want to be near any of that shit so um he said he would

hang out in like friends offices after practice would end because he didn't want to be alone you know he'd hang out in his agent's office you know there was no commercials anymore for him or anything like that uh his agent said it scared me he seems so desperate he uh not for nothing but sports agents you're gonna hang out with one for time? Oh, God, that seems shitty. Three months after the season ends, he checks into the Hazelden Foundation, which is a center for drug and alcohol rehabilitation in Minneapolis. And it's up for debate whether he went or Landry told him he had to go. Tom Landry, the coach.

He stayed for a week, though. Landry said, quote, We sent him there to evaluate the program for us, not to dry out. I don't feel he's involved with drugs. Oh, we just want to. Are you? We'd send completely sober men to rehab to just see what it's like. Scoping like a restaurant. Like if you're going to have your rehearsal dinner somewhere,

you go there ahead of time and eat to see how it is. To sample the ribs. What are you fucking kidding me, this guy? Would you go there and sit in a bathrobe, drink coffee and smoke cigarettes and tell us how it is? Please. Really tell everyone about your shitty childhood and make friends with people you've never talked to again.

Who does he think he's selling that line of bullshit to? Who is he? Our Delta pilot? Who is this fucking guy? Tom Landry, do you fly planes for Delta now that you're dead? So his mother became angry and said the best thing to come out of it all for that child is that they're teaching him how to hate. That's a weird thing to say. So he's all sorts of fucked here in 82.

There's a big article talking about major creditors. He still owes $211,000 for all his bad investments and all this type of shit. He said, there comes a time when you do too many things in your life and you do nothing. He said, I owe it to the fans of the Dallas Cowboys. I need to keep my mind on the 50-yard line and not on the small forest fires created out of ignorance. Yeah. So he's got a lot of ignorance swarming around him here.

Owes $37,500 to Frost National Bank. He owes, Jesus Christ, $50,000 to Stoddard construction company nineteen thousand dollars to western securities just all these different you name it he owes it so keeps going uh in 82 we had eight sacks though so that's decent 83 the cowboys are 12 and 4 losing the first round of the playoffs not terrific here now august 2nd 1983 um he uh still has problems here he uh there's the uh adidas award what is this oh the sportscaster said hey ed too tall or hey ed hey too tall can we get a word with you and then uh harvey martin was there and uh he said the name's harvey harvey martin they confused him for too tall jones a sportscaster did that

that's pretty fucking bad i did that at the hall of fame embarrassing yeah i remember yeah that's hilarious it sucks so much that's so funny that hurts so bad i'm done so i'll never approach anybody just in case she's got a note for damn shorts the guy that you want the picture with i mix people up all the time way too much to be that assured of it it's got to be someone i really know like otherwise i'm not doing it there's no there's no two arnold schwarzeneggers it's got to be a very obvious man fuck man so he's he's a mess now obviously he did they're talking about um uh may of 1983 and um he is i guess he is there's a party he's at a party for the people involved in the production

of a small a small play company that's putting on productions and he's acting in it in in dallas there yes at granny's dinner playhouse in dallas jesus where he is in a production of damn yankees performing the role of applegate the devil okay and uh he's got he's having all the whole cast over to his house to to do this and he's trying to be normal and uh he drops 25 goldfish and it was piranha tank so people can watch that that's a that's a that's a thing that he like a party that's a show good that's it um let's see the there's a misty row from hee haw is also in the cast okay she's there but i've seen hee haw a lot she said the piranhas remind me of the Hollywood producers and goldfish on the other side are us. So there you go.

Then she said, no wonder Harvey went bankrupt, feeding them all goldfish. You know, I can't imagine my Harvey with the big grin and so gentle having piranhas in his house. Interesting here. But some of the people didn't like theanhas in his house. Interesting here. But some of the people didn't like the piranha trick, I guess, here. Yeah, that's a bit much, man. So he's talking about people think he's a good actor in this article. He's not saying it. Other people are.

A friend of his, a backup offensive lineman for the Cowboys, said they saw the play and said, you're a natural. I saw Joe Namath act at Granny's, and he was all right, but he was just up there being Joe Namath. You were acting, man. Okay. You were being Ahab. Applegate. Too Tall Jones said, you blew me away.

I can't believe it. Oh. So very excited. Harvey said, my first play in Dallas, and it's a hit. Too Tall, they were talking about acting because Too Tall had done an episode of Different Strokes. Oh. So between Dinner Theater and Different Strokes, you really can get the full range of show business and talk about. There's a lot to talk about here.

Jesus Christ. This is fucking funny. So you're talking about this whole party. It says Too Tall is about to expound on the art of thespianism when harvey remembers he needs to go out back to turn on the jacuzzi two girls jump into the pool with their clothes on like a six foot five whisper martin disappears and returns with two women's swimsuits if they don't fit i've got more too tall said harvey's a smart guy yeah Yeah, he is. Get those clothes off, girls. Put these on. Jesus.

Martin hurries off, swigs a shot, then goes in search of a dust cloth. On the four-foot screen, the devil is singing his big number. He's got a video of the movie Damn Yankees. And everyone in the living room is begging Harvey to do it, too. He starts to mouth it while polishing an ashtray, but the picture cuts out. They cut my scene, he yelps, laughing, and he suddenly remembers he needs to go serve more barbecued beef. Wow. Too Tall says, Harvey's always been a hyper kind of guy, but now you can't talk to him for more than three minutes before he's moving on.

Yeah. Now Martin is outside, walking his sister Mary to her car, shocking her by kissing her for the first time since she can't remember when. Happy that she came early because that meant there was one person there that he knew and loved. So they're just saying he's having a party. He's got a different group of friends here. He's got actors and people from the team here. He said, it's amazing. I put these things on when he said put his dress like his outfit on here his costume and i'm and poof i feel like i'm the devil there you go so he's very excited to amazing i wear a costume of the devil and it makes me yeah feel more fucking devily um he also says that um um

he said i heard a few years ago they took a poll down there and voted me most popular player. And so I just had to go down and find out. You know what? It's true. No whispering behind my back down there. It was just there goes Harvey Martin. I felt so refreshed because he said that he went to Acapulco. And apparently in Mexico, he's a very popular player. OK.

Yeah. He says, I'm getting the hell out of this town. I need to go where i feel loved this city is full of hypocrites i spent half my life bending over backwards being nice to people and then someone says i used cocaine and they turn their backs on me one day this city will have to learn that i'm a human being one person the guy i do coke with says i do coke and all the now i hate this place yeah that's right but then the 83 training camp began and a whole new round of drug uh rumors happened because there's a leaking of a story that federal agents were investigating the drug use of harvey martin

tony hill tony dorsett uh ron springs and our buddy larry bethea who we have an episode about sounds like a lot of people so martin uh coach landry said that you know he didn't like his conditioning and they thought he was you know they just thought he was getting soft over here that's how it goes so harvey's uh he's in trouble it's all kind of falling apart and he didn't save his money so that's an issue that That's a fucking issue. He said, the public and the media just don't understand

what they're doing to people living this life. You can't go out and drink three beers and meet a nice new girl. Now people feel like they have to bring you down if you're a celebrity

and if you happen to be black too, oh wow. So he said, this is the South, man. This is the South. This is the South. With a white guy, it wouldn't be the same.

I'm sorry. No. They found a vial of white powder on a white guy on the team, and that was Don Smirnick, who was a reserve defensive tackle, and nothing happened. If it had been me, there'd be a trial. Being a cowboy is sugar-coated, but look what happens when you retire. Who do you see on the commercials on national TV? The Walt Garrisons, the Bob Lillies, the Roger Staubachs, the Don Merediths. Who do you see on the commercials on national TV?

The Walt Garrisons, the Bob Lillies, the Roger Staubachs, the Don Merediths. You ever see a black cowboy? You ever see Calvin Hill or Bob Hayes or Cornell Green or Don Perkins or Rayfield Wright? They had great careers, but somehow they didn't leave in good graces. It frightens me. Okay. Yeah. Wow. okay yeah wow um he said that he uh he has given his mercedes to his family because he doesn't want

to risk having a second car in front of his house where someone might plant drugs in it okay that's he's very yeah he started i don't have multiple cars as somebody may plant drugs plant drugs if it's outside i have a Plant drugs. If it's outside, I have a one-car garage. If it's outside, people are going to plant drugs in it, and then I'm in trouble. Okay. He said, I'll be back. I'll be a leader on this team again. So that's what he says here. He's very excited and ready to do this, but who knows?

He said, beautiful Harvey Martin, though. That's still who he is. October 28, 1983, he gets a warning from the Cowboys. He said if he continues to play like he is now, we'll have to make a change, they told the newspaper. We're 10 years into his career, though. That's very impressive. Yeah, he's still doing well. They want to replace him with Larry Bethea, of all people people who's going to have a way worse problem than him.

So fuck, man. Harvey said that if Ernie wants to make a change, that's okay with me. I've been working my butt off, but Larry can have it. Talking about Bethea. So it's bothered me a great deal, Bethea said, about his diminished playing time. I figured when I was playing, I thought we were doing a lot better. I felt the team was being shortchanged.

When you've got an asset, it stands to reason that you want to put it to use. He's talking some shit. November 2nd, 83. Harvey's pissed off. He's pissed off. It says, quote, beautiful Harvey Martin used to do combat with offensive tackles in the

National Football League. Martin versus Stark. Martin versus Jacoby. Martin versus Slater. Now it's become Martin versus Jacoby, Martin versus Slater. Now it's become Martin versus the world, Martin versus Landry, Martin versus Bethea. The friendly relationship Harvey Martin had with coaches, friends, and the media is increasingly deteriorating. He's become an isolated person. He's refused to return phone calls from friends and ex-teammates.

When ex-Steeler defensive end Dwight White, a teammate at East Texas State, returned to Dallas a couple weeks ago, he tried to contact Martin but had no success. Messages were left with an answering service, however, Martin refused to acknowledge them. Wow, saying he's become a different guy. He said he's, you know, getting older. He said he's often contained at the line of scrimmage or takes himself out of a play by circling too far to get to the quarterback some of us can recall when martin was able to circle the tackle and sack the quarterback without being touched but no longer his feet dance to a slower pace nowadays yeah saying he doesn't have the intensity there he's uh none of it he's out

of shape he's doing nothing so and then he's ready he says, if they want to give my job to somebody else, let it happen, which is strange here. He gets in a car accident, November 25th, 1983. He's, I love the way the article starts. Beautiful Harvey Martin was driving to work Wednesday afternoon when the lady in the car next to him made a right turn into his car. The car, Harvey says, isn't too beautiful anymore and it took him about 15 minutes to get his senses back it shook me up pretty good yep then i read the paper and it says harvey martin got in a wreck but it doesn't really matter because he doesn't play much anymore so he's like damn damn thing they don't even give a fuck now yeah they said

he's been accused of being a cry baby at this point and all this shit and uh he's starting to dislike being in dallas which i mean that happens you know what i'm saying so uh he's offered no reason why he's been playing he won't talk about his play basically if you ask him about stuff he'll go i don't know whatever they want to do i'll play however i want to play. He said, I motivate myself. The people out there won't let me get down. I see them on the street and they tell me they love me and they're behind me all the way. He said, I'll admit I've had off-field problems. I came to training camp horribly out of shape and I wasn't playing up to par.

But I wasn't being given the chance to play up to par. I just had a birthday last week. If you don't play well at my age, 33, you're gone. But I still want to play my heart out. I can still contribute. Said he wants to go to the Super Bowl and everything else here. Now, 83 sack-wise, he only has two sacks in 83 in 16 games. Oh, no.

So that's not good. Now, after the season, the Cowboys order a drug test while they're feuding with him, and he claims that he was being forced to play injured, and they ask him to take a drug test, and he just retires because he doesn't want to take the drug test. Really? Yes. Now Tom Landry stated that Martin was sent to evaluate the program again because they said, oh, now that he wouldn't want to take a drug test, you sent him to rehab, didn't you?

And he said, no, I didn't feel he was involved with drugs. That's not what happened. So that's interesting. Landry said somebody can use coke and it's like beer to some extent. Interesting. We're talking about recreational coke. That's a big difference with chemical dependency. This is 83 still.

So he's like, you can just have Coke sometimes. People aren't addicted to it that much. It's just recreational. It's not prescribed. Don't worry about it. Wow. That's fucking funny. Harvey gives it up, quits, says he's over.

He said, after 11 years of pro ball, you have to evaluate your future. He said, after talking to my family and friends, I've decided this is the best thing to do. I'll miss the Dallas Cowboys and especially Coach Landry. Yeah, he lied for you, so you should probably think he's good. I guess his contract would have paid him $275,000 that season. Okay. Not bad at all.

So, again, he's been acting in this thing. They're talking about his acting, and now that's going to be over. So now what's he going to do? He announced that he has a tremendous opportunity. He said that he's going to be a salesman for a South Dallas electronics firm now. That's what he's going to do. Really? Yeah.

So he's going to be like, I'm going to do it. I can do it. Universal remote controls. I'm going to be at the forefront of that shit. Or is he with Texas Instruments? Is that what it is? He's going to say, Beta or VHS, I'll sell them both. I don't care.

He's selling really big calculators yeah yeah exactly huge those big giant fucking texas instrument jobs where you're like i don't even know what those mean what math do you do on those i don't know what any of these buttons mean no shit man so yeah he's got no money everybody's talking about this you're like oh when you have no money you retire that's strange at the time yeah so he so after he retires he takes a job as the sports announcer with kxas tv channel 5 and kkda radio station and also briefly served as a like a color man for nbc on their games here also we'll find out that he's in a bunch of stage shows that we knew about obviously amazing grace and chuck no safe haven damn yankees the odd couple he's in all

sorts of stuff yeah so may 31st 1985 he is arrested here oh um yeah he's driving while intoxicated and may face other charges pending an investigation of an unidentified substance found in his car. What color was it? I can guess what it might have been. He was arrested about 30 minutes after police were called to a suburban restaurant where, quote, Martin and a lady friend got involved in an altercation. That's not good. Yeah. friend got involved in an altercation that's not good yeah um an officer later said he saw martin's driving erratically and dangerously in the parking lot of a nearby shopping center with his car's lights off that's just tearing around yeah the lights off at night is the it seems like

it's the way to get away from the cops but But that gets their attention more than you think. He's just doing donuts in the parking lot here. They do his blood alcohol level is 0.11, which is just above the 0.10 legal limit at the time. So he is booked on charges of driving while intoxicated, taken to jail and released. And they're doing an investigation and all that kind of thing. He also has a daughter in 85. Oh, God. A daughter named Chase Martin. Yeah. also has a daughter in 85 oh god daughter named chase martin yeah he had a daughter in the car she was holding the coke in her little hand

i guess she lived with martin's mother this daughter at this point april 7th 86 he is in the this is great because i've seen it in the chicago portion of wrestlemania 2 yeah he takes place in the Battle Royal. Oh, no shit. Yes. Harvey Martin, he does not look like a wrestler. No. He has got a weird upper body that is not conducive to wrestling, but tons of wrestlers are in that fucking one.

Does he have an upper body like you would have if you married a monkey and a bear together? Maybe. Possibly something of that nature. A lot of the fridge was in that one yeah um a lot of players like russ francis and a bunch of these different nfl guys a lot of linemen mainly from back then because they have to be huge otherwise we throw a wide receiver around can't have fucking uh you know andre reed getting tossed around back then that's not gonna work mark duper getting his ass kicked it would be funny to see uh andre the giant use don bb as a chair that would be great as a folding chair hold jerry rice by

the feet and use him as a helicopter and knock people out so uh yeah he gets tossed out and that uh it said quote after about seven guys get thrown out of the ring and are out of the match harvey martin gets thrown out and i'm not surprised because harvey martin came out in these little tights looking more like mary martin that's from these fort worth star telegram what the fuck yeah you look like a homo harvey look at you harvey homo and your fucking pants over here this fucking guy look at him in his tights like a fairy what do you guys what are you gonna why don't you jerk him off while you're in there come on harvey what the fuck what a weird thing to print in the paper he also appeared several times in world class championship wrestling which is all the von erics

in there as a ringside commentator later too so december December 7th, 1986, here, Harvey, he's going to have a book out now. Uh-oh. Texas Thunder is what it's called. And by the way, we have to do a bonus episode on Hollywood Henderson's book. Because it's half about orgies. Oh. It's just half about orgies and doing fucking free base with like a bunch of naked people you just met it's the fucking craziest book like narrating how the party went it's a memoir of his craziness

oh god yeah i'm talking where he's like i told too tall to come in and then he started fucking this bitch and i was doing a fucking rail off her ass and then it's the craziest book wow it's wild um it's called Texas Thunder. Yeah, but they say in the newspaper, there's a vast multitude of reader fans out there who don't want to dismiss books like this. We want to read them. We love reminiscences like a quarterback loves a second and one, meaning second down and one.

And Martin never disappoints. It's a well-written account of his all-pro career with the Dallas Cowboys, and he has written it without the aid of an as-told-to companion. Well, his wife is smart. His girlfriend, I don't think she's around by now, though. The meat of these books usually is the castigation of teammates that reveal the backstage secrets of the game and its players. Martin keeps it at a minimum in rocking and knocking rookie Rod Hill and veteran Tony Hill, whose shortcomings are already known by Cowboys fans, but he takes a major step forward when he comes out

and shockingly accuses three former Cowboys of cowardice. According to Martin, Pat Toomey slipped blocks he didn't want to make, Golden Richards was flat-out scared, another alumnus of ours, Golden Richards, and Gene Fuggett, yes, F-U-G-E-T-T, make golden richards was flat out scared another alumnus of ours golden richards yeah and gene fuggit yes f-u-g-e-t-t yeah fuck it that's a drunk fuck it yeah feigned injuries so he wouldn't have to face feared pittsburgh opponents in super bowl 10 wow another staple of the tell-all sports book is sex and here martin doesn't keep anything at a minimum somehow i found myself not really wanting to know about all the girls and all those highland park matrons who were bored with their oil men

husbands and who would be picked up by martin hollywood henderson and too tall jones nightly and taken to jones's home for mass sex orgies which is in the book which we'll talk about oh my god this whole episode would have just been okay let's talk about orgies so it would have been hard which will be fun but we'll do it on patreon that's more of an orgy kind of a thing awesome i'm sure the wives and of the married players unnamed won't take to reading that virtually all the married cowboys with the exception of staubach took part in the sex circuses at jones's bachelor band which is the same as later on with Michael Irvin and all those guys. They do the same shit.

For a bruising giant, all-pro defensive lineman Martin reveals a surprising childhood picture of a semi-frail kid growing up in Dallas, running away from bullies and not even knowing how to play football until he transferred high schools in 11th grade. Man, Martin touches on the complexities of tom landry's system by the time you truly understand the flex you're too old to play his tight friendship with thomas hollywood henderson yeah he says he never knew henderson was using drugs until it was too late to help him lying what he was literally in the super bowl with liquid cocaine shooting up his nose you don't think he fucking told his friends about that he had nasal spray for christ's sake this means that

martin did a shitload of coke if he hung out with hollywood henderson there's no other way there's no other fucking way um his financial disasters in the business world and later suspicions that he himself was involved in drugs the innuendos leading to his decision to retire after 11 years also that he had two sacks in 16 games didn't hurt either it's kind of over the account is not without errors in one segment martin writes that in the fifth game of the 75 season the cowboys lost uh to green bay a game won by the packers 19-7 oh they said they lost the game however in this, it's obvious that Martin must have written the Cowboys lost to 0-4

Green Bay. Oh, there was an editing error. They're talking about typos. Get the fuck out of here. So, 86. Harvey Martin fills in the gaps, is an article from the San Angelo Standard Times, and he said that this is about the book.

Question. There's been a number of stories surrounding your retirement one you mentioned in the book suggests you refuse to take a drug test at the request of cowboy security director that caused you to lose faith in the organization he said when i left it wasn't because of the test i was just tired i was working out very hard i had a shoulder that was injured the year before and i was forced to compete for my job after 10 years. I worked and got myself back and the strength coach who helped me started wondering why I wasn't playing. I was never given a reason. Then Tom Landry called me up during the 83 season and asked me to take the drug test and I took it and was clean. But I was worrying, why are you doing this to me? But I don't knock Coach Landry because we

had all the cocaine scandals down there in Dallas. So still I was hurt, why are you doing this to me? But I don't knock Coach Landry because we had all the cocaine scandals down there in Dallas. So still I was hurt by the organization. I really haven't gone back since I retired. I haven't been back in the locker room. I don't want to face them. In public, Coach Landry hasn't said my name since I retired. How prevalent was drug usage, cocaine especially, in the league when you retired? Quote, it was like the thing to do. You know,

at first it was the actors and then the politicians and then it moved to the athletes. Every group had its time. We, the Cowboys, happened to fall right into that. They said, even though you tested clean for drugs, is the problem something that still follows you around? He said, my name

is still associated with drugs in Dallas, but not away from dallas so much it happens when i meet new people some of them say well you know that harvey martin he was involved with all that cocaine stuff you can't do anything about it though wow he said uh when you were chosen uh as the cowboys envoy to hazelden. That's the rehab center. Why were you chosen? He said, I don't know. I bet I could take a guess at that. Coach Landry called me on a Sunday in the off season and asked me to go for the good of the team. He wanted me to come back and educate the team about drugs. I didn't want to have my name associated with drugs at first, but I'm glad I went.

I didn't know about the danger of drugs before I went. I was just a football player, but I learned a lot. I saw what I didn't want to become in my life. You know, anyone is capable of going over to the dark side. Jesus Christ. Three weeks ago, Jim Covert of the Bears and Bill Fralick of the Falcons said they experimented with steroids. They said steroids are much more of a problem in the NFL than any other drug. Do you agree?

Yes, yes. It's probably the most widespread. I've seen guys shoot up with steroids right in the dressing room. Trainers don't shoot them up. The players shoot themselves up or take pills. I've seen them shoot up with liquid steroids. They said, I'm the Cowboys. And he said, yes, maybe 10 or 15 guys were using them when I quit.

I'll never tell anyone who uh who they were it's always been that way steroids have been around since i started in the league i didn't use them though i didn't want to become sterile i didn't believe in that artificial way of conditioning okay yeah so he talks a lot about steroids uh they said what about alcoholics a lot of alcoholics and he said yeah what are you fucking stupid of course they are we go out every fucking night yeah they talked about he said terry bradshaw was one tough cookie he was the only quarterback i couldn't intimidate that's interesting because he got the shit knocked out of terry bradshaw is too dumb to be scared that's his problem he's so

especially back then he used to get concussions constantly like yeah and he was dumb to begin with so like yeah he was like i'm not scared i don't even know where i am now that's okay what's going on you think you can scare me who can scare me that'll be him in 10 years forgetting exactly what he was going to say there so march 8th 1987 st louis post dispatch warrant issued for harvey martin oh no arrest warrant issued for him uh because he failed to appear in court for his drunken driving charge oh which was very stupid here um july 2nd 1987 he's in no safe haven starring wings hauser who you've wings hauser he's a he's a jesus he's a dipshit i know who he is big giant head you've seen him in a lot of like b movies and yeah you'd recognize him if you saw him from the 80s you'd be like oh that guy you never knew his name wings is his first wings and his son is cole hauser who's an actor

too i probably know who cole is huh yeah cole's in dazed and confused and i think he's in yellow stone or some shit too like he's in stuff now still yeah um yeah when a fan when his family is murdered by members of a drug gang an undercover cia agent tracks them down but they escape and flee to their hideout a fortress in south america I don't care about this story, and I'm not reading anymore. It already sucks. It sucks, and I've lost interest. So, yeah, Wings Houser is in this, and really not a lot of other people of any note here.

But Harvey Martin, what does he play? Oh, he plays Harvey Latham. Oh, big spot. He'll respond to Harvey, probably. On IMDb, this is a 4.5 out of 10, which is not good. October 24th, 87, Amazing Grace and Chuck. He's in this. This is a movie.

He was in the play version of this, too. A Little League player named Chuck refuses to ever pitch again until nuclear weapons are disarmed. What? What the fuck is that? Who the fuck said green light? Wow. Who starts a sentence with a Little League player and ends with nuclear disarmament? What the hell are you talking about?

What do those two things have to do with each other? A grown man won't eat a cheeseburger unless there's peace in the middle east what doesn't make sense this kid you don't understand he's driving the little league industry all by himself we need him to play but they said basketball star like a pro star amazing grace smith follows the boy's example and starts a trend oh so yeah that's what happened here chuck murdoch's an all-american kid leave living in a sleepy montana town he's the top pitcher of the little league team as well after taking a tour of a nuclear silo, Chuck decides to quit playing Little League until nuclear weapons are disarmed. That's fucking awesome. Harvey Martin plays Mad Dog.

Oh. Also in this, Gregory Peck. No shit. Gregory Peck, Jamie Lee Curtis. What? William Peterson, CSI guy. Yeah. William Peterson.

Red Auerbach plays himself. Really? The coach, yeah. Alex English plays Amazing Grace Smith, the former Bulls star. They had a big score before Michael Jordan came there. Michael Bowen, Dennis Lipscomb, Francis Conroy, Robert. There's some stars in this shit. How did Jamie Lee Curtis get this script and be like, I'll take it?

I'll take it. Is Harvey Martin doing it? If Harvey's not doing it, I'm not doing it. But if Harvey's in, I'll take it. I'll take it. Is Harvey Martin doing it? If Harvey's not doing it, I'm not doing it. But if Harvey's in, I'll do it. November 11th, 1987, he apparently here gets arrested and jailed temporarily now. Just a little bit. On two misdemeanor charges of check theft here. As Dallas County continues an announced roundup of bad check

writers oh he was arrested outside the radio station where he works officials said he paid 299 dollars and 50 cents in unpaid fees fines and court costs stemming from a september 25th 1986 check he also posted 200 pretrial release bond in connection with charges from a check written. I sincerely apologize to the community for the inconvenience. Fortunately, I'm gainfully employed. I paid all the fees and court costs and made the checks good. Wow.

That's not great. There's, I guess, a bunch of other people talking about that. July 7th, 1988. He's acting again here. Yes yes he does uh the latest coupling in the odd couple features if you're ready for this former dallas cowboy harvey martin in the role of walter matthews role of oscar oh yeah that's right uh playing this is playing opposite martin as felix's actor producer don shook the one-time casa mañana

singer best known in recent years for his work on the country club dinner theater circuit yeah this is a what the fuck is going on in the role of math out a maybe cokehead dallas cowboy as as one of the pigeon sisters from England, director John Wall has cast Sandy Powell, a country singer, Mack Truck Poster Girl, and winner of the 1986 Best Legs in Dallas contest. I'll watch now. The Mack Truck Poster Girl?

What the fuck kind of goddamn... The April spread of the Snap-on calendar is going to be the... What is this? This is ridiculous. It's asinine. Are you joking? And best legs in Dallas? All right, next up, best tits.

Come on, ladies, up on the stage. Best ass is next, and best camelel Toe is coming after that. Best Big 80s Bush Bump is coming. Whose pussy looks most like a big cock and balls inside a jockstrap? Let's see. Come on up here, ladies. Oh, Jesus Christ. So the dinner show, this is in a dinner theater.

Tickets are $14.95. Oh, Jesus. January 8, 2000, or I'm sorry, 1989. He's acting again. Movie called The Comeback. Yeah. Starring Robert Urich. Oh.

Who is Spencer for hire. Again, a guy you'd know if you saw him, Robert Urich. Scott Malloy is a former NFL football player who travels around the world without a care. He decides to come back to Minneapolis to settle down and start a life for himself. He pays a visit to his ex-wife and son, Bo. Bo is in a very nice relationship with Jessica, a girl who cares. This is a terrible description. Who gives a shit?

Who else is in this? China Phillips is in this. Oh, really? Yeah. What? Yeahyna Phillips is in this. Oh, really? Yeah. What? Yeah, Chyna Phillips is the... That's the lead singer of Wilson Phillips, man. Yes.

I didn't know she was an actress, too. I didn't know that either. That surprised me. Harvey Martin plays a man named Eddie Radish. Really? Eddie Radish is a great name. That feels like a character indie rabbit in fucking or yeah or fucking uh veggie tales yeah i'm eddie radish yeah um so another thing harvey's is a nightclub

in dallas here fort worth's newest nightclub oh harvey's is an exclusive nightclub with the latest in high-tech lighting sound and video technology opening may 17th harvey martin is now accepting applications for all positions apply in person friday through tuesday let's see if you have the best legs in dallas and you can do this april 2nd 1991 harvey's a free man after resisting arrest yeah uh he's free on bond on charges of misdemeanor assault, resisting arrest, and a misdemeanor drug charge stemming from a weekend incident. Okay. Harvey's? Well, a Justice Center official said Martin was arrested at about 2.30 a.m. on a woman's complaint that he beat her.

Oh. Yeah, it's a little different than that. Harvey was booked into jail at 3.20 a.m. and released at 5.50. Jesus Christ. That's fast.20 a.m. and released at 5.50. Jesus Christ. Not much there here. September 26th 1991 there's a big

Fridays, TGI Fridays is doing this thing and it said we've been planning tonight's party for 20 years. 20 years ago today, TGI Fridays broke ground on its first restaurant in Dallas. We think it's a great excuse for tonight's incredible birthday bash. Celebrity waiters, you'll find the excitement at all Dallas Fort Worth Fridays.

For starters, you may discover that a familiar-looking man taking your drink order is Dale Hanson or that your potato skins are delivered by Harvey Martin. I want my potato skins delivered by Harvey Martin. I'll have it no other way. I will take no potato skins that are not dropped off by Harvey. I want Coke around his nose. I want him to be like, here's your skins, man, and just throws them down. You got a lot of tables. Wow.

In fact, I got a lot of tables, man, a lot of skins. We didn't order potato skins, Harvey. I don't care. They're yours now. In fact, you'll see a celebrity waiter at each location whose tips, hard-earned tips, of course, will go to his favorite charity. Okay. Isn't that fucking nice? So, January 25th, 1992, Joe Gibbs, who was at the time big time Washington head coach, Super Bowl champion, all that shit.

He said, I was an assistant coach at St. Louis and Harvey Martin was playing for Dallas. He used to come over to the 50-yard line and stare everybody down. We had Conrad Dobler and Dan Dierdorf, Monday Night Football announcer from back in the day. They started yelling at Harvey Martin. Well, poor Roger Finney, he doesn't know what's going on, and he's the one who has to block Martin. The first two plays were sacks by Martin right over Finney. So the bottom line is don't get other people ready to play.

So Harvey's whole thing is if you piss him off, he gets this physical burst of strength. He knocked the one guy out. He is the water guy out. Right. He is the water boy, the Coke-fueled water boy. How about that? The cocaine boy. And without it, he is a docile little angel.

Yeah, he's just chilling. 1992, he's in a movie called Steel's Law. Oh, my God. And that is 6.6 out of 10. Let's see what they say. law and that is 6.6 out of 10 let's see what they say steel is a plainclothes chicago cop recruited by the fbi to foil an assassination plot in dallas texas well too late yeah uh it seems that joe kino 40 years too late 40 years too late joe kino a former nemesis of steel joe kino yeah like the game too k-e-n-o is planning to assassinate the iraqi ambassador

to the u.s oh for christ's sake keno is funded by several prominent texas businessmen this is a fucking disaster okay it doesn't matter it's starring fred williamson or it's directed by fred williamson and starring fred williamson oh it is wow directorial written by charles eric johnson and fred williams yeah it's his movie yeah it's his movie it's windy city all of it it's windy city fucking heat and it stars bo svenson grant james harvey martin plays captain fargo oh a bunch of people i've never fucking heard of uh may 1st 1993 harvey martin sports card show oh this is uh from the tulsa world this is at the howard johnson hotel on the i-44 and south sheraton harvey martin autographs four dollars in advance five at the door it's just

him it's just him and sitting in a fucking how Johnson's banquet room signing autographs for $4. That's what he's doing. Signing $4 autographs in the 90s. That's what crackheads do. Yeah, in the 90s. That's not even like in 65 he was doing that or something. April 19th, 1995, the Harvey Martin will be headlining our annual fall football kickoff sale.

Okay. Voted last month Best Cowboy Defensive Lineman in History by his peers, Harvey will be in Lave's Jewelry at 2232 West Gentry in Tyler on Saturday from 12 to 4 p.m. Oh, my God.

Free autograph with purchase of any color or black and white photo. Oh, boy. Wow. 1996. Okay. Let's see. Shit gets real interesting here. Life kind of spiraling out of control here.

March 30th, 1996. Corpus Christi caller times. Harvey Martin faces drug and assault charges. Oh, boy. He claims police brutality and says the evidence was planted. It's all planted. That's why I keep one car. Yeah. He is arraigned on one

felony charge and two misdemeanors. He says he was beaten in the police department garage. Okay. I believe that he probably had drugs and was probably beaten i believe probably manhandled for sure little column a little column b on this one here harvey martin former super bowl mvp for the cowboys has been arraigned on charges of drug possession assault and resisting arrest for following a quarrel with his live-in girlfriend but the former defensive

end contended friday that the drugs were planted and that the police beat him after the confrontation in his apartment. He also denied beating Debbie Clark, 36, who police said was bruised and had hair torn from her head. Oh boy. Magistrate Judge

William Ridgway arraigned Martin on one felony charge of possession of a controlled substance, one misdemeanor assault charge, and one misdemeanor charge of resisting arrest. He posted $2,500 in bail. He earlier served a probated term for marijuana possession, which we couldn't find any more on. Could face 10 years imprisonment if convicted. He claims he was the victim. Quote, the narcotics were not mine.

I walked out and talked with these officers but they beat the hell out of me these two guys said they had to restrain me but that's what they had to say but that's what they had to say they searched me once then jumped me in the garage of the police department one guy was getting madder

and madder and he has a thing against black athletes police denied planting drugs on him and beating the athlete during his arrest. A search of his pants pockets during the jail booking produced two baggies containing 1.8 grams of cocaine. Clark, who is the cop here, told officers that, oh, that's the woman. That's the woman, sorry. Told officers that Martin had proposed to her Thursday,

had visible signs of swelling on her wrist and forehead after the fight. Martin denies attacking her. Clark fled the North Dallas apartment she shares with Martin shortly before 1 a.m. to call police from a neighbor's home. She said Martin had slapped her and struck her with a closed fist on the head and in the ribs, then grabbed her by the hair and head before she was thrown down. He said the officers who confronted Martin at the apartment found him highly intoxicated. They said he struck them with his elbows and pushed them, is what the sheriff's spokesman said. And so they said that's when they had, that's why they beat the shit out of him. So April 25th, 1996 1996 assault charges dropped against him yes they're dropped because the woman he lives with decided against

pressing charges they said i love yep still faces the misdemeanor uh resisting arrest and felony drug charges though but uh yeah she had claimed slapping and punching and all that sort of thing and uh he claims the police still have definitely planted that from him. So from the Sacramento Bee paper, while when arrested in April, Martin filled out a personal profile for his bondsman. He listed a beeper number and his office phone and described himself as self-employed in public relations with $100,000 annual income. In the blanks marked previous employer and supervisor. He wrote Dallas Cowboys and Tom Landry supervisor, Tom Landry.

That's fucking hilarious. August 14th, 1996, Harvey Martin is arrested again. Oh boy. Arrested after fighting with his girlfriend and will be observed for mental illness. Now it's happening. Harvey's girlfriend and will be observed for mental illness. What's happening?

Carvey's been hit in the head a couple times, maybe. The arrest on misdemeanor harassment and assault charges was the second time in six months he's been arrested. Again, for Debbie Clark, same woman. After Martin postponed on the assault charge, he'll be taken to Parkland Memorial Hospital for observation on a temporary mental illness warrant. Wow. to parkland memorial hospital for observation on a temporary mental illness warrant wow uh august 16th 1996 he avoids prison and faces rehab though uh he pleads no contest to felony cocaine possession in exchange for probation and participation in a treatment program and a one thousand dollar fine he'll spend nine months in drug rehab while serving seven years deferred probation. Oh, my.

The deferred status means that if he avoids new offenses during the sentence, his record will be cleared of the drug charge. So he's had quite a week. But he's now in the system, and at 40-something years old with mental health issues and chemical dependency, this poor bastard is now going to have a cyclical life

it can't stop it's not going to get better by the way that assault charge that he's accused of slapping clark is a missed and also a misdemeanor harassment charge for allegedly making a threatening phone call to her brother as well oh no so that's why the psychological stuff came in what the fuck are you doing jesus christ what's your problem bro august 21st 1996 here he is sentenced to you sir yeah may fuck off two and a half years in prison yes uh from chart on charges stemming from an attack last week on his girlfriend because violation violated his probation. Oh, my God.

That's right. The sentence could be reduced at a later time. He's under drug rehab while awaiting an available jail bed. Jesus Christ. He was charged with resisting arrest. That was that whole plea thing? That same night he was charged with resisting arrest for allegedly scuffling with officers after he gets arrested for fighting with his girlfriend again unbelievable october 27th 1996 two days later or whatever he says it's all good i'm trying to turn it around okay i'm in treatment

to help change my behavior at the moment my treatment is all important to me yeah uh finally in court and to friends he admitted the rumors he's always denied. He's had a long-term, big-time drug problem, even during the height of his playing career. Duh. We know. You hung out with Hollywood Henderson. We know what you were doing. Are you kidding?

And it makes sense why all that cash has gone, too. Oh, my account, we didn't know where it went. It went here. It's in Coke. That's where it went. He thought he was making shitloads of money with the businesses, and he wasn't. No. And he's doing Coke.

That's fucking wild. So November 10th, 96, there's an article, ex-cowboy Harvey Martin is coming to grips with his problems. Jesus, I have to fucking get that out. It's all in capital letters. I can't say it. But when the spotlight returned this year, glared upon a different, not so beautiful site in court, Harvey Martin admits to domestic violence and cocaine use and is ordered into a Dallas community drug treatment center. It may be the

first time in his life that somebody has said to Harvey Martin, this is not about the Cowboys. This is not about your celebrity, said his attorney, Randall B. Eisenberg. This is about whether or not you're going to be a street person, a penitentiary person, or whether you're going to reclaim your life. Wow. That's interesting. He said, I'm in treatment to change my behavior. That's all he'll say. I'm trying.

He said, I've smoked. This is Thomas Hollywood Henderson. Quote, I've smoked crack cocaine with Harvey. Harvey's been using cocaine since the 70s, more than 20 years ago, and it's not surprising he's hitting bottom. Because Thomas Henderson cleaned himself up completely. Remember, he's still doing fine. His family, friends, his employers, his girlfriends, his associates, the police, nobody stopped him. Maybe nobody could.

Yeah, you can't tell a rich fucking famous guy he can't do cocaine. He's going to do cocaine if he wants to do cocaine. That's why cocaine exists for people like that to do it. So he says, though, by all accounts, and what he says is his mother, Helen, is the one who really pushed it through. She said, I could say so many wonderful things about him, but I'd be late for church, is what she said. That's what she said when someone asked for an interview. Yeah. She said, quote, why is it always Harvey Martin is the monster?

What would you do if you took your woman's keys away and you were sitting there eating your dinner and she broke into your house? That's what Harvey said. They said, do you mean to say that you can honestly tell me you've never hit a woman oh he said that what to somebody he said those words i can't tell you that like easy real quick that's the fastest most truthful thing i can ever say yeah the only way you maybe shouldn't be able to say that is if you like grew up with a sister very close to your age and you guys fucking fuck. That's not a woman. That happens.

That's not a woman. She ain't nothing but my sister. That's true. That's true. So what if it's your mom? That's good, too. Yeah. I just beat my grandmother up.

It's no big deal. Never hit a woman in my life. Oh, my God. So they say those who know Martin well attribute the violence to drug use. But experts say it's a mistake to think of that getting an abusive person off drugs will automatically stop the violence. So usually there are issues unrelated to drug use, mainly a need to control others physically if necessary. Yeah, that happens here. So Randall Eisenberg is Martin's attorney here. We'll talk about this in a second. They said that during the last decade, Eisenberg is Martin's attorney here. We'll talk about this in a second.

They said that during the last decade, Eisenberg and others have said Martin slipped into a marginal existence of drug dependency. Between apartments, Martin slept in cheap hotel rooms, in cars, and on friends' couches. There were fallings out with family members and former teammates who refused his calls. You know, like a crackhead. Like a crackhead. He's just disgraced himself now, and everybody's like, oh, poor Harvey. He's just, you know, his life's falling apart. And, you know, honestly, besides the beating up the woman there that time,

outside of that, he hasn't really done anything to hurt many people. He's done a lot to hurt himself. I mean, you almost feel bad for him, almost, but not nearly as bad as you feel for harvey martin master coach and mentor to ceos well we know that's not our guy and uh in victoria australia here harvey martin coo chief opera operating officer chief operating officer at cl wealth management well our guy certainly didn't do that. No wealth.

We know that. Yeah, well, what's he managing? Nothing. Harvey Martin, Human Performance Coach of the San Francisco Giants. Really? Okay, yeah, he works for the Giants there. And, of course, also, in Captain Ron, Martin Short played Martin Harvey, which is almost Harvey Martin.

That is fantastic. And keep an eye out for Harvey and Martin PLLC. It's a CPA firm. Yeah. Which is fun, too. I love that that was Martin Short's character. Yeah, Martin Harvey. That's hilarious.

Harvey, Martin. That's very funny. That's very fucking funny. And the picture of Martin Short in front of me while it's thinking of Harvey Martin is hilarious, too. Because you couldn't get any more different physical human beings than Harvey Martin and Martin Short. June 14, 1997, Celebrity Basketball Classic is taking place. Featuring Robert Newhouse, Drew Pearson, Tony Hill, Billy Joe Dupree, and Harvey Martin. Also Cliff Harris, Mel Renfro, and Ed Tutal Jones.

1998 in June here. Same thing. They're doing these Dallas Cowboy games again. Remember they did that? Yeah. The new team had the, yeah. May 24th to 1000 here. He's got another public appearance here.

Fire Station Service Center. It's just a gas station. Grand opening celebration. It's not a fire station. It's a gas station. It's a service center specializing in Mercedes, Lexus, and all imported automobiles. It's literally just a mechanics place here. Stop by.

Meet our friendly staff, join us for hot dogs, refreshments, and meet Harvey Martin. As he changes your oil. Yep. If you bring a new educational toy or stuffed animal to be given to Champions for Children, you get a free autographed photo of Harvey Martin. Wow.

Four-wheel alignment on all cars is $49.95, so that's something to think about, everybody. Performed by Harvey Martin. Performed by Harvey Martin. Tyler Morning Telegraph, June 1st, 2000. Martin said he's happy to be back in East Texas. Great. He's just a happy guy and, you know, couldn't be happier to have everybody be embracing him again.

Once he said, hey, I've been a crackhead for a long time, everyone went, oh, okay, fine. That explains it. Fucking lying to us for 25 years, so we didn't know what your fucking problem was, weirdo. Right. December 24th, 2001, Christmas Eve, 2001, here Harvey dies.

What? He's dead. 51 years old. It was almost, he was running it back he's running it back and uh he got definitely pushed out of bounds at the 30 he's shit he uh what happened apparently a lengthy battle with pancreatic cancer oh which is a killer man that's brutal that's brutal he had underwent a major surgery about a year ago never fully recovered his condition worsened over the last few months and uh people would be like everyone came and visited him recently like they all knew he was gonna die yeah um so he gave his loved ones hope that he would last a little longer he felt strong enough saturday that his doctors allowed

him to go home from the hospital he He returned almost immediately, though. Two days later, he passed away at 8.24 p.m. Almost made it to Christmas at Baylor Medical Center in Grapevine here. Let's see. Hospital spokeswoman said Martin's family plans to issue a statement. Jethro Pugh, who played alongside of him here, said he watched him suffer and it was tough. He said, it's like losing a member of your family. It was tough to see Harvey that ill and there's nothing you could do our hands were tied 2001 how old was that man 51 it's 51 young as fuck jesus that's young for that shit um martin

once said i'm a big fan of playing for the team i'm crazy about that's something you dream about when you're small um i never really dreamed about it, though, because I never thought it would happen, that thing. But he got to die here. That's good for him. Jethro Pugh said his life was going very well. He became more secure, more stable. He had things turned around toward the end.

And he said he even wrote me a letter. Oh, this is John Nyland, an offensive lineman here. Gave him, oh, okay, yeah. Pew credits the job that he got with Harvey Martin. He wrote me a letter and asked me for a job. It was genuine and very heartwarming. I have a lot of feeling for Harvey. He needed a chance to do something.

He did turn his life around. I'd like to think the job had something to do with it. Jethro got him a job. He said, but the Lord has plans for Harvey. He never complained about his illness. He was a tremendous inspiration for the people he worked with and was around. I'm glad I was part of his life.

So everybody said he got a job as a salesman for a Dallas company called Arrow Magnolia, and he spoke to children and drug addicts and other groups about drug abuse and the challenges in his life he never married in 2007 he was selected to the Lone

Star Conference's 75th anniversary football team and named the LSC's defensive player of the decade for the 70s 2010 inducted into the Lone Star Conference's Hall of Fame Martin's sister Mary established the Harvey Martin Dream Foundation,

an organization to foster educational mentoring and financial assistance to minority high school students in her brother's memory. And Dan Dierdorf once said, on the field he was a competitor and you'd hate the guy. Then you meet him off the field at the Pro Bowl or at a league function and you'd find it was impossible not to like him. You'd leave him and be mad at yourself for liking the guy so that's harvey martin a likable guy who fucked up his own life and uh like a crack also would slap a woman around when he was a little too much coke which was also terrible also so the guy who fucked his life up like a

lot of the guys in the 70s this is a very telling 70s 80s story all this coke and like i said we'll do a bonus episode on exactly what the lives of the what the nightlife of the 70s cowboys was like because thomas hollywood henderson does not pull any fucking punches whatsoever martin's life you could fill in a lot of names for the and just make this a a spreadsheet uh you know i mean uh yeah choose your own adventure for the same same thing happened to a lot of these guys absolutely so die so goddamn young jesus then 51 pancreatic cancer is a motherfucker though that's a lengthy battle that's a that's that you're lucky to get that most guys don't get a lengthy one he

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Casey Burns. Liz Sullivan. Donna Taylor. Jennifer Wood. Woodard, Katie Tucker, Brian Natureboy, Loney, Ashley Madeira, J.V. McGill, Tucker Doyle. That is two last names. Meredith with no last name. Simon Brown, Nicole Adams, Miss Z, Alisa, Alicia probably Lopez, Maria G, Jamie Moon, Jody Salzman, Katie Ferrero, Cliff with no last name, Hannah Obey, O-U-B-E, Ryan H, Carl with no last name, Katarina, Katarina A, D Cave, Scott O, Kev with no last name. Christina with no last name.

Justice Haffin, Miss Chestnut, Jason Hensley, Nicky Shepard, Eric R. Noel, Noel with no last name. Shauna, oh, no, that's just Sean Thornton. Teresa Bisate, Holly Nassi, Janeer the Bat, Charlie McClanahan, Ruse Kid, Deja Brown, A.J. Macy, uh janeer the bat charlie mcclanahan ruse kid uh deja deja brown aj macy michael mccoy melissa malaysia malicia hall i don't know that's a high and an a malaysia maybe perhaps sydney galear gallagher uh ben thompson donovan king kathy stiltner, Pedro with no last name, Carly Ryan, AJ Ski123, Matt with no last name, Alex Gibbs, Jennifer W., Ben Neve, Erica Henge, Jeff Aublay, Jake Danky, Jason Palmer, Bleach Black Cat, Russ Morgan, Jamie Harper, Rogan Helms, Lisa Moody, Jasmine, Jazzy, Jazzy Malin, Jazzy, Jamal and Jamal in Jamal and Bogan. name jeremy fisher brendan santher sather sather uh matt mosher jerry jerry cockrell uh jessica what uh jessica miller max with no last name liberty schumacher mariganin oh boy tony gruters

uh joseph thompson joanne don donofrio all vincent's wife obviously give him our love would you janelle johnson uh mike evans bailey with no last name grant with no last name. Grant would know last name. Happy Maggot. A.K. Maria Kipsusly. Drew Taylor. Alexandra Johnson. Trish McCluskey. Paige Pieschke.

Matt DeFever. David Henry. Uriah Sparks. Sparks, not Sporks. Whose last name is Sporks? Joshua Wilson. Matthew Marks. nice to meet you. Jeanette McMahon, Vienna Castellanos.

Ah, you know what it is. Amanda Asanziano, you know what that is. Courtney Cunningham, Wayne with no last name. Lacey Kotaki, careful with that one. Beth with no last name. Kakashi 98, Lisa Bell, Lena Marie Jacobson, Christy Kelly, Samantha Wagstaff, Brooke Montana, Brunt with no last name. Seda with no last name. Kakashi, 98. Lisa Bell. Lena Marie Jacobson. Christy Kelly. Samantha Wagstaff. Brooke Montana.

Brent with no last name. Sada with no last name. Jasmine Lauren. Tiara W. Zander with no last name. Tyrone Bullock Jr. Lisa Wright. Becky Neibarger. Dina.

It's Dina Hollister. Autumn with no last name. Beautiful Monster. Liana Schulster. Caleb Nelson. Nathan Dolezal, Shannon McCarty, Ashley Johnson, Brendan Gardner, Baitman,

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