Crime in Sports - #374 - Delusions Of Competence - Bernard Randolph

Episode Date: September 26, 2023

This week, we check out the exploits of a man, who grew up around a few other players, who also had interesting stories. His childhood was filled with tragedy, and it just kept coming, with his adult life. Laziness, delusions of greatness, strange behavior, and probable brain damage cause this potential star to circle the drain!! Have everyone around you drop dead, watch your pal be drafted number 1 overall, and spiral out of control, while carrying around your high school basketball trophies with Bernard Randolph!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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something fun like this and let's do this shit let's get into it you sons of bitches you want it you got it here you go um let's talk about our guy bernard randolph is his name and i don't know if you've ever heard of him he was a bernie randy bernie rand yeah bernie rands in the 80s he's a basketball player we'll talk about so he had some issues obviously and god this is one that has some fun mistaken identities too because bernard randolph not as uncommon a name as you might think it is it feels like that's a lot of successful men it is there it absolutely is men wearing like professors wearing like medals on their chest and things like that. General Bernard Randolph.

It smells like cognac dipped tobacco. They drink brandy in a separate room after dinner. That's what they do. In one of those deep, deep, deep cups. If you have a separate brandy room, you definitely have the appropriate glassware I believe. You don't drink it out of a Harkins cup. He's just sitting in there with just a plastic have a separate brandy room you definitely have the appropriate glassware i believe when you're

sitting in there right get out of a harkin's he's just sitting in there with just a just a plastic dixie cup you like the ones people have in their bathrooms to like rinse with one of those the souvenir movie cup that you get a refill for a dollar big giant one from the ballpark in the shape of a in the shape of a Minnesota Vikings logo. Just a hollowed out baseball bat like they sell at the minor league parks. Pour it into my bat, dear. Yes. There we are.

Brandy bat. And get the good cigars. The white owls. Yes, the white owls. Bring them to me. Yes. Wonderful. So Bernard Randolph and his brandy here.

Born April 20th, 1961. We think 1961, but definitely April 20th. Oh, 1961. 1961. Yeah, not 1861. He wouldn't be a basketball player because it really didn't exist much back then. He invented basketball. That's what we're talking about.

Big Peach Basket guy. That's it. Bernard Peach Basket Randolph, they called him back in the day, and it stuck. What do you want? So April 20th. So we had on Small Town Murder last week, our killer was a Hitler birthday baby. Right. And this guy is too. So April 20th, people.

His mother's name is Laura. We believe his father's name is Moses. But we're not sure. We're not positive this is some of these unless a person becomes a major major star then they start chronicling their whole life and going through it and you know it's like a big investigative report at that point but right if they're just a flame out fuck up it doesn't quite you don't get that level of you know what what made you this great you know what i mean that's what people want to know what made you this great if you completely throw your life down the toilet

people generally go well i don't want to know anything about what happened yeah although you should maybe look for things to avoid that's possible to cautionary tale what did his father do that maybe contributed to this we don't know, we know one thing he did. He's got three brothers, Bernard does. We think their names are Emery, Arnold, and Moses Jr. So we know what's going on already when there's a junior. It's starting to make some sense. This is junior adjacent action here. The sentiment in the puddle is settling.

It's there. There is a junior in the house. He probably shares a room with a junior. That's not good. Uh-huh. He went to Westinghouse High School here. Oh, is that in D.C.? I don't know.

I think it's in Florida, actually. Oh, okay. He's from Chicago. No, no, Chicago. He's from Chicago. That's where he's born. So I think he went to school in Chicago. Now, later on, there's an article in the Miami Herald.

This is kind of once the dust begins to settle around Randolph here. But they say that his life began to unravel the moment his mother died of a heart attack at 48 when he was a child. Yeah, that'll do it. That'll do it. Yeah, your mom's suddenly gone. That's tough for any kid. I guess her death was a – he was in seventh grade. Holy shit. that's tough for any kid yeah um i guess her death was a he was in seventh grade so holy shit 12 is you kind of need your your mom when you're 12 you know what i mean it helps anyway and just to know even if she's not around to know she exists helps yeah to know she's never

coming back is bad that's that's a rough one at 12 so it happens a lot though because his father was often ill his family is just filled with tragedy. It's riddled with tragedy. It's awesome, Jimmy. It's awesome. He's got a tremendous family history when it comes to tragedy. It's really terrific, the amount of tragedy. It's a terrific amount of sadness is thrust upon these people.

His younger brother, Emery, that's the youngest brother that we talked about. Well, he died at birth. Oh, Jesus. Didn't grow up with Emery. And this is in the 70s. This isn't like, you know, fucking 1825 or anything. We're like, well. Wagon train deaths.

This is just. In the 1800s, half your kids died at birth. Another third of them died before they were five. Anybody left, you're pretty excited about it because they really had to go through a lot. But by the 70s, it was like, hey, deaths at birth are sad now. We don't expect that every time. This is pretty depressing. His other brother, Arnold, here, was killed in a fire in 1979.

Oh, shit. Mom dead of a heart attack. Brother dead at birth. Other brother killed in a fire dad's ill the whole time that is the most tragedy and then his moses jr yeah will be killed be i think murdered in 1986 holy shit so it's a lot you know what i'm saying it's just him then it's well we'll find out how far he goes. My God.

What do you think, Jimmy? Right now he's like CEO of like a small, like a firm that makes like industrial carpeting. You know what I mean? But he's doing well. He's got like a boat and things. He's doing great. He's like the 10 Little Indians. Yeah.

Jesus Christ. They're dropping like flies. How many of our shows have a happy ending like that? Well, now he came together. Now he's doing great. That was a lot.'s a few yeah like mandy malone maybe and a couple others and uh not many willie mays akins he's doing okay he's doing great he really turned it around he gave us the mexican pimp also so i mean i think that's it not many we don't have we have like a we have an award named after one of the few people on the scummy awards the you know please turn it around mandy malone award for someone who did turn it

around and it's rare it really is if if we were batters and we bat like this done we'd be in single a tomorrow but if we were betters losers, we would be huge winners. We'd be rich. If we were picking the under every time, we'd win. We'd be so rich right now. We're just crushing the under, man. It's awesome stuff. But this is our batting average on.

It's wild. It's depressing. It's extremely depressing, all of this. So, Jesus Christ, man. This is what's going on. Ziggy, by the way, that's who he called Mark Aguirre. You know who Mark Aguirre is, the basketball player? Yeah, from the Mets.

From the Pistons. He's on a lot of teams here. Mark Aguirre was a big, big giant guy. I think he was on. Power forward guy. No, no, no. I mean, I think. Was he a center?

No, no, no. Aguirre, no. He's a guard, I think. But Aguirre. Mark Aguirre? Are you sure? A small forward, I believe. Yeah, no, no. I mean, I think. Was he a center? No, no, no. Aguirre. No. He's a guard, I think. But Aguirre. Mark Aguirre? Are you sure? A small forward, I believe. Yeah.

Oh, okay. But Aguirre was, he was from Chicago also and kind of grew up with Randolph kind of on his crew here. Did Aguirre go to UNLV? Is that why I'm thinking of him too? Was he on that? Is he one of those running rebels? That's a tremendous question.

I think it's a terrific question. Is it just, it's M-A-R-K, right? M-A-R-K, Aguirre. Yeah. Yeah. So I thinkbels? That's a tremendous question. I think it's a terrific question. It's M-A-R-K, right? M-A-R-K, Aguirre, yeah. Yeah. So I think he was on that UNLV running Rebels. Oh, only the Clippers and the Pistons. I thought he played for the Nets. No, I remember the Pistons the most with the Clippers by the end of his career.

College career right there. I can click that little thing, and it tells me that he went to Westinghouse High and DePaul. DePaul. Okay, thank you. That motherfucker was the number one draft pick? Yeah, Mark Aguirre was hot shit, man. Wow. Yeah.

I had no idea. Well, I learned something. What position again? Oh, goddammit. I didn't even fucking clarify that with myself. Nice Googling, Jimmy. This is why I do this part of the show yeah that's a great point he was a small forward yeah okay that's what i thought for some reason i saw him and i thought he was a bigger guy because he was he had a bald head at the at the

end there yeah i think most of the time he had the bald head here i remember him being big so i guess mark aguirre from the west side of Chicago, just like Bernard here, they would borrow Mark Aguirre's grandfather's pickup truck. And then they'd go find Skip Dillard, who is Bernard and Mark's best friend. They were the three musketeers, these three here. Is that the heir to Dillard's? I don't think so. Skip Dillard from the west side of Chicago hanging out in Mark Aguirre's grandfather's truck.

You're telling me he doesn't have a department store in every major city in America? I'm going to say not. Or did a while ago. Talil. I don't see many of those anymore. They're still good in Arizona. Are they?

They still have Dillard's. Yeah, every mall's got them. They never really had them in the East Coast. The East Coast, it was Filene's. They're still good in Arizona. Are they? Yeah. Every mall's got them. They never really had them in the East Coast. The East Coast, it was Filene's. That was the Dillard's of the East Coast. I don't know if it's the same company. We had Robinson's May and Dillard's. Yeah, there was that.

And then Macy's bought it. And then Macy's, yeah. And then Bernard Randolph, they would call Dolph. That was his name. Like Randolph. Yeah. Which makes him sound like a tall, blonde German man. He's absolutely not.

So they all played together at Westinghouse High. They would cruise around looking for basketball games, pickup games on the street, which these three are all going to be college players and one will be a number one draft pick and go on to do big things. I had no idea. So that would be a fun pickup game to to watch

somebody be like yeah let's go motherfuckers oh shit jesus christ that guy jumped over my head where'd he come from man so they would find they would do that they'd play ball and uh they'd go over to mark's house for mark aguirre's mom's homemade baked pies boy she had oh that's what we get into yeah they're from the yeah i mean I mean, it's a very urban environment, but she's got like a pie cooling on the windowsill type of, you know, like rural Looney Tunes vibe going on. Yeah. Your feet get off the ground and you follow that trail. I mean, it all gets in your nose and you can't help it.

You float there. Blueberry scent. Follow it, man. So, yeah, they would do all of this. this they would play uh you know park and hang out they would also find isaiah thomas who was from chicago at this time yeah these are the guys hanging out as a squad and thomas and would be on the bad boy pistons together win championships so that's pretty wild also eddie johnson now wait which exactly which eddie johnson so now let's sorry to be googling twice but i have That's pretty wild. Also, Eddie Johnson. Now, which, exactly, which Eddie Johnson? So now, sorry to be Googling twice, but I have to see if this is our Eddie Johnson arrested a hundred times.

Or if it's... Fast Eddie Johnson was from Florida, wasn't he? No, from Florida. I know he lived in Florida. So let's look him up right now. I'm going to look up Fast Eddie because we did that like seven years. He's from Florida. Oh, he was born in 55.

So it's the other Eddie Johnson. Yeah, right. It's got to be the other one. Non-child rapist Eddie Johnson. Yeah. Thank God. They would do that. And then another guy, Darryl Walker from Corliss High.

Really? Yeah. Who? Darryl. It's not the same guy. No, Darryl Walker. No. They said, Aguirre said, those were just incredible games.

It was just so much fun just to play on a playground. It had no tag on it, no price on it, no pressure on it. It was just all natural basketball. Those are the best times I could dream of in basketball. Everything was still so new, so uplifting. I don't know really how to put it. It was just a lot more of an innocent time. Yeah, man.

You don't have to play. You're just playing to play you love the game babe that's where the phrase comes we did that when we were teenagers too me and you we were both like that i did it as an adult with comedy just for the love of the game doing open mics oh i hated the game but i did it i did it as a means to an end fuck the game fuck that i mean really if you're if you're doing open mics you're doing it because you like it at that point or or you're or you're working really hard to get out of this yeah exactly yeah that's what we were doing or working on material for paid gigs also

which we were also doing at the time some of the people don't they don't realize that that's where they're going and they're like this is it i made it the open mic circuit. Yeah. They all know me. Jesus Christ, man. So I guess they were, they were, they kind of, they said they were obsessed with streetball. So absolutely obsessed here.

They're all going to get offered scholarships, the three guys here. Sure. You know, to DePaul, they all get offered first because that's a local school,

obviously. So the guy who coached Aguirre, Dillard and Randolph at Westinghouse, the head coach here, he said, I used to tell them all that there was only one Magic Johnson, only one Michael Jordan, but they all think they can be like that. Which, yeah, they have to think that. When you go on the court, you got to be, you got to have an ego. You can't go out there and go, well, I'm not as good as some people. That's not how you play basketball.

There's only one Allen Iverson, but when he walked on the court and saw Michael Jordan, he was stunned that he's playing against Michael fucking Jordan. I'd lose my fucking mind like he was about him, about Allen Iverson. Be you. Be the best you. Be you. Be the first you. But you can't

be somebody else. no i don't know i guess it was a it's a tough area obviously kind of west side of chicago where they all grew up and they all looked at basketball as a way to get out of here yeah and even the people they saw some of the kids that really buckled down went to college and all that kind of shit they'd go yeah but you know look at magic john Johnson makes a lot of money. That looks better. Even if I could do that, this looks way better, which I don't blame them. If I was six foot eight and playing great basketball, I'd be thinking the same shit.

So the coach said that he sold basketball to the kids as a means to an end. Like if you work hard here, it'll get you out of here. So that's good. He said, play for this high school and maybe you get a scholarship. Maybe you get the hell out of here. And if everything goes well, you never know. Maybe you end up in the NBA. Maybe you make money out of it.

If not, maybe you get an education out of it and, you know, whatever. So Aguirre went to Austin High for a couple years before transferring to Westinghouse there. Randolph was a sophomore at the time and Aguirre was a senior and dillard was a junior so yeah this fucking coach is pretty lucky here he's doing great too not bad at all and he got them he didn't recruit them he just got them because they're a proximity of where they lived right yeah yeah but some of them would they had other choices though of high schools because there's also high schools that are actively recruit sure you know especially like the catholic schools in chicago if you saw hoop dreams right that's all they do that's what yeah those kids are looking to get into those catholic schools

and you know whatever so it's a just for college prep it's they you know better for that so um the coach said we were all kind of like a family when we were in high school. I called them my Mr. Munches. Mr. Munches. I don't know what the fuck that means. Yeah. Everybody said he treated the players like his sons, but he called them Mr. Munches? The hell does that mean? That's weird.

A lot of them were poor and had nothing going for them. It was like coaching ragweed and making them flourish like a rose garden. Calm down. Hey. It was all me i did it not the fact that mark aguirre was genetically predisposed to be six seven and that that had nothing to do with it at all it was me and my ansel and my ansel adams camera lens jesus christ it was my ken burns dust bowl approach to the whole thing made Made everything better.

That's wild. But the coach said it was hard for them. But hey, my father died when I was four. These kids, half of them grew up not knowing who their fathers or mothers were. Jesus, this guy is saying this in public. True. This sounds like end of the bar, three scotches in kind of talk. You know what I'm saying?

He's on the sober with the son up i mean it's hard for them yeah but my father died when i was four some don't know their mother it's so hard to do voice when you're so stuffed up i'm like you're fucked up you try immediately to go there and it's making it made the pressure oh, God. Their mother. Their god, too. It's pretty obvious who your mother is. He didn't know anything. Fathers, mothers. My dad died. Drinks again.

It's such a tough situation. The doctor took him from their mother and didn't give him back. Another coach, Ray Myers, said, Lolino, who is that coach we're talking about, was very good to his kids. His only fault is that he treated them too well. He wanted them to love him. That sounds creepy.

Yeah, it does. They said that Bernard became a fixture at the coach's house, basically eating food and meals. That happens a lot of times because at his house, this one's dead. Dad's sick. Dad's sick. Mom's dead. I mean. Maybe it's best to get him out of that cursed fucking house.

And maybe this coach had like a wife who might act like a little motherly toward him. You know what I'm saying? Sure. Things like that. Home cooked meal. Yeah. A little better hygiene. Maybe use this deodorant instead of not anything at all.

Well, I don't know if sick dad was preparing big dinners here, you know, also. You know what I'm saying? So, like, I don't know if sick dad was preparing big dinners here, you know, also, or you know what I'm saying? So, like, I don't know what that was about. It may have just been a casserole tossed on a plate. Possibly, but that's great for him, I would think. I mean, he'd probably be happy at the time to have just somebody caring. So the coach said it was probably harder on Bernard than Dillard and Aguirre. He said Bernard didn't really have a family, which, yeah, once the mom goes, it kind of fell apart.

They said he was a really good player, but they said, the coach said he would rarely use his full effort for anything more than about half a game. They called him a two-quarter player is what he called him all the time. That was all he needed to do, and he didn't care anymore. But they said he'd still average 25 points and 10 rebounds during his senior season even while giving a hell of a half half effort yeah that's pretty wild so you could see you know if he takes the other hand from behind his back maybe he'd play a little bit better maybe he's

just being a gentleman and not running the scoreboard up. Maybe. So he knows Guyer and Dillard, they end up going to DePaul. So Randolph says, I guess I'll go to DePaul. Fuck it. They're already there. I know people there. Why go somewhere I don't know. So they do. His coach, though, kept referring to him as a two-quarter player.

That was the quote always. He's a two-quarter player. So 79-80 DePaul. They're 26-2. Wow. That's a real goddamn good team. And they were, at the end of the regular season, they were ranked number

one in the AP poll. Yeah, that's why Aguirre went number one. Jesus Christ. They were the number one seed in the Western part of the bracket here, the tournament, and lost in the second round to UCLA. It was an eight seed, which upsets happen here. But on this team, Bernard Randolph, Skip Dillard, Mark Aguirre, Terry Cummings, another future NBA star.

Boy, did he look terrible. That's not bad at all. Oh, Terry Cummings? He looked 45 years old. He just looks so old always. And he looked like a thumb with eyes. He looked like a penis with a face. It was bizarre how weird that man looked.

Danny Manning always looked older than his age to me, too. Yeah, that's true. I remember seeing him in the early 90s going, man, wow, he looks like he's going to retire soon. It was like his third year. You know what I mean? It was like, wow, Jesus Christ. What is he, 24? He looks terrible.

Hasn't even gotten his cap pay yet. Let's go in there. So Bernard, though, he doesn't play very much. He's a freshman here. So he only has 4.4 points and 1.8 rebounds a game. So 1981, 80-81 DePaul, 27-2. Jesus, God, they did it again. But they again lose in the second round of the playoffs

to St. Joseph's here this time. And they have the same damn team, which they really should have done better, I would say. But now Bernard is up to 17.4 minutes a game, so he's 8.3 points, 2.8 rebounds, 1.3 assists. So he's working his way in. And when you come on to a team that's the best team in the nation, essentially, every year before the tournament,

it's kind of hard to crack the lineup of that team because people have to graduate or leave before you can slide into their spot. 81-82, they're 26-2. They only lose two games a year, this team, and then they lose again in the second round of the tournament. That's terrible to be that good every year. And they always lose to an 8 or 9 seed

too. That's crazy. So Tyrone Corbin was on this team, who also ended up in the NBA later on. Sonics? I can't remember. That sounds right, but I can't remember. Terry Cummings, though, is the star now because Aguirre has graduated and gone to. I don't know if he graduated, but he's on the Pistons anyway.

So this year, 14.7 points a game for Randolph. 5.1 rebounds, 2 assists, almost 30 minutes a game. Now they're working him in. 82-83. They're 21-12 now. Wow, he stayed all four years, huh? everybody did yeah very rare that i mean you had to be like a guaranteed top five pick to leave early and that was like oh he's leaving early oh my god yeah like that's that was amazing when if someone left early so this year they don't do very well They don't seem to make the tournament. Bernard here, 13.8 points, 4.1 rebounds, 1.9 assists.

So, okay. But the problem is in January of 83, he gets suspended by the coach here. This is from an article from 1983, January 13th. Bernard Randolph, the leading scorer on DePaul's basketball team, was suspended for an indefinite period of time by the coach, Ray Meyer. If you're the leading scorer and getting suspended, not even with an end date on it, you did something bad. You fucked up.

There's either violence or something very illegal involved. Jesus. They said 6'5 forward was averaging about 15 points a game. Meyer took the disciplinary action against the former Chicago Westinghouse player after DePaul dropped its second straight game to rival Loyola. It was the first time DePaul had lost back-to-back games in six seasons. Oh, my God. Wow.

Randolph had been a starter in each of the Blue Demons games this year and was counted on by DePaul to take up some of the scoring load created by the departure of Terry Cummings, obviously, because he, I guess Cummings left a year early because he was averaging like 24 points a game. So he knew he had a draft position and he was in Portland. He played for a lot of teams. Oh, he probably wasn't drafted by the Spurs.

Yeah, I don't remember where he went. But they said Randolph's been in a shooting slump the last month. That's no reason to suspend somebody. Bench him. Yeah, I don't remember where he went. They said Randolph's been in a shooting slump the last month. That's no reason to suspend somebody. Bench him. Yeah. Have a chat. But they said this is Meyer's first disciplinary action against any player since the 79-80 season. It's been years

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I mean, back then, too, there wouldn't be as many leaks as there is now. Somebody would say online what happened. There's some paperwork somewhere. But the coach was saying that Randolph is a real enigma to him, which is funny. This is Joey Meyer, the coach. He said that he's a quick and accomplished player. He moves well without the ball. He said he just doesn't try hard every game.

That's the problem. He's got all the skills. When you see him doing something good, you're like, oh, Jesus, that guy could do anything. But then he just doesn't feel like doing it the next play and won't do it. Doesn't do it. So, yeah, they said it's difficult for pro scouts to project his position in the NBA to also because he's 6'5". 6'5 is you better be a small forward or a big point guard

for the most part. Incredibly athletic or an amazing dribbler and an assist maker. That's a thing or a big time scorer or the rare, rare, rare Charles Barkley where you have an ass the size of Kansas and you can fucking get rebounds even though you're only 6'5".

You can average 14 rebounds a game how often do those come around it's very rare they said that it's so hard to project him to be as he's too small for a forward they said he's not well schooled enough to play guard he's not slick enough

with the ball and shit to play guard they call him a tweener at the time which now there's more room for tweeners because they just shoot threes tweener it doesn't matter what size you are where you play shit loads of deep jumpers yeah that's it so the 83 nba draft comes around here yeah number one overall pick 83 jimmy sean kemp not even close. Ralph Sampson. Oh, really? Yeah, Ralph Sampson is the number one pick out of Virginia to Houston.

They take him. Steve Stepanovich is number two overall. What a brutal draft. That's a handle right there, boy. I'll tell you something. Antoine Carr, number eight. Remember him from the jazz at the end of his career? Remember him at the end of his career with the jazz there? Pacers, too, right?

I don't remember. Who knows? He's Detroit. I knew for a long time. But I don't know, between there and Utah, who knows? Dale Ellis. You know him. Derek Harper.

These are all decent players. Darryl Walker, the guy he grew up with also. Clyde Drexler, number 14, by the way. Maybe it was not a bad draft. He had a better career than anybody in front of him in the draft. Of course. 14. Hall of Famer.

Yeah, he's a great player. John Paxson, number 19. Greg Kite. These are all kind of like role players, sixth, seventh man kind of guys. Mitchell Wiggins. Isn't that the name of the guy from Dazed and Confused with long hair that they were they were chasing to paddle and played baseball wiggins makes sense i think oh yeah i think it was mitchell something i don't know so anyway um yeah anybody else here in this draft it's not a real i'm looking here it's not good not apart from clyde

shit craig elo in round three the guy that mich that Michael Jordan shot that one shot over that you see all the time if you're wondering. The white guy he's shooting over in Cleveland. Before Mike throws a few punches into the air. Yeah, when he's real excited and in the zone there. Craig goes to the court crying. Manute Bull, by the way, was the 97th pick in that draft. Really? That was round five.

There's two rounds now. This is when there was 10 rounds, I believe. Jesus. Manute Bull, number 97 in the fifth round. Somebody took a chance on him. Finally, in the 10th round, pick 217. Jesus. In between Ronnie Carr and Cleveland McRae is Bernard.

Who? Exactly. He went to Catawba College, Cleveland McRae. Catawba. Does that even exist? Probably not. I'm sure it's folded by now. Yeah.

It was just in trailers and they played outside. It was weird. So Bernard Randolph gets drafted here in the 10th round. By who? The trailblazers? The Knicks. Really? The New York Knicks.

Yeah, they had Bernard Kings. So they're like, maybe anybody named Bernard can score. We'll give him a shot. So 83-84, he's very excited to be with the Knicks until I don't see him anywhere on the roster of the Knicks. So that's the problem. Oh, no. Yeah.

This is the 83-84 Knicks, so pre-Patrick Ewing Knicks. Yeah. Ernie Grunfeld, Bernard King, these guys. We've talked about them before. Darryl Walker, his buddy there, also the point guard. A lot of tall socks around here. Yep. So they select him in the 10th round.

Randolph couldn't believe it. He was so excited. He told everybody he's going to be on the Knicks. This is great. And then he got cut before the season, obviously. Yeah. Because they just drafted 10 rounds of people. The newspaper says this.

You got 10 new people at least on a team that holds 12. And they already have 11. You could almost field a whole new team. That's wild that there was that many picks just to be thrown out of the trash. So the newspaper said, quote, he was cut, of course. The market for 6'5 forwards who can't handle the ball has never been very strong. Oh, my God. Not at all.

That's the rub. That's the rub. And the New York Knicks weren't about to make an exception. ever been very strong oh my god not at all that's the rub that's the rub and the new york knicks weren't about to make an exception so randolph the guy ray meyer his college coach swears has a 165 iq oh he's genius so they say they're saying bernard randolph is a goddamn genius yeah um so i don't know they said he could sit down at a piano and by evening's end without the benefit of a single lesson play with ease was on the streets just talented he's a talented he's a talented genius that's what i mean the end of the story should be him inventing something amazing that should be that we're starting some company you know yeah and also winning a Grammy for piano playing. So they said that they invited him to return to DePaul to complete his degree after he left because he obviously didn't graduate.

But they said he was more interested in basketball. So at this time, he starts playing in summer leagues. He plays in Belgium for a while. Anyone will pay him money to play basketball.'s going there and and picking it up um also they say possibly venezuela but his this is in the newspaper that his friends say that's what they told him but they don't know what to believe of him because who knows yeah they don't know um at one point he showed up at the westinghouse high school gym which is where he went to high school and asked to practice with the coach's team okay and the coach said it was fucking sad because quote he couldn't even keep up with

the high school kids what i don't know what happened. He would, yeah. What is? Yeah. He can't be playing for Belgium then. He was a mess. That's what I mean. He's a complete mess. He's going back and forth. They said he would call Ray Meyer and say, please, you know people.

You're the coach at DePaul. Call people and get me a tryout somewhere. Can you get me a job? Hook me up, yeah. Call one of these pro teams and say, you know, give this guy guy a tryout and the guy would say no because you're not you're not ready i'm not going to waste my clout on you're not yeah prepared for this you don't you don't play for a quarter that's not going to work so randolph would ask a guire or people like that uh everybody and they always said no we can't nothing we can do for you. You're you suck now. You're lazy. It was on you.

That's interesting. So by 1987, Bernard is like washed out. I mean, he's in the wind trying to figure it out. So there's an article from the Miami Herald from March 20th, 1988. About a year and a half ago, Randolph was playing pro basketball on a Chicago playground. There was an argument and then a horrible vicious fight.

Between him? Yes. Randolph was struck on the head at least three times with a tire iron. That's not good. You should be playing against fucking... Michael Jordan is dominating right now larry bird just got done winning like three straight mvps or some shit magic johnson tire iron to the head doing showtime aguirre is about to be part of a back-to-back championship team

and you're getting beat with a tire iron on a playground holy shit shit. They said, quote, he crumpled to the ground part of his skull crushed. That's not good. According to Ray Meyer, DePaul coach, Randolph experienced partial sight loss in his left eye. Oh, my. Wow. Doctors wanted to perform a delicate operation to try to repair the damage, but Randolph refused.

I'm good. I'll just wander around part of my skull crushed and my but Randolph refused. I'm good. I'll just wander around with part of my skull crushed and my eye all fucked up. That'll work. I don't. Why does he make these decisions? I don't. That's what I mean.

He makes bad decisions. This is like, all of this seems self-inflicted to me. Like, this is all, he had something, but then again, I don't know. He didn't have, we come across this a lot where we go, what the fuck are you doing? But, yeah, he didn't have the building blocks, I think, to be able to make good decisions. You know, a lot of people don't. They still do.

But sure. But the one part that he's super missing is self-confidence and self-awareness. Oh, yeah. Because he believes himself to be lesser than these other guys. That's obvious. It seems to be, yeah. I mean, he has no problem asking for charity or things like that, which is good, I guess.

But his coach said, I don't think he's ever been right since. I'm sure. Yeah. He took a fucking tire iron to the head. Yeah, he probably was horribly concussed and has a brain damage now. So, wow. October 31st, 1987 is Halloween here. And they say the Thunder tryouts continue today.

The Quad City Thunder free agent slash rookie tryout camp will continue today with two sessions at Moline's Wharton Fieldhouse. Both sessions are open to the public, free of charge. Friday's opening sessions featured 33 free agent players. Sunday, regular preseason training camp will commence with 13 rostered Thunder players expected to be on hand. Sunday, 6 p.m. opening session at Wharton will also be open to the public. Two new roster additions and one subtraction were announced Friday. Released Houston Rocket draftee Joe Niejo, a fourth-round Rocket pick in the June NBA

draft, won't be coming, but fifth-round pick Andre LaFleur, released this week, will arrive Sunday. Also added to the roster was Bernard Randard randolph a former depaul star how about that so he got his skull crushed and he can't see right out of his left eye but he's still gonna play for that's how bad willie quad city thunder basketball team is they'll take you mine is an eye yes sans death perception no problem he's pretty good but when you pass him the ball it always hits him in the chest he can't quite bounce pass with bernard would you oh not good yeah he needs to hear it and then he'll time it out from the from the sound

oh christ so they said that randolph this is from the quad city Times, Randolph, 6'6", 230, was expected to join the team Tuesday or today. Randolph has been playing in Europe the last few years. No, he hasn't. No, he hasn't. And was a teammate of Mark Aguirre's at DePaul. So that's his big credit is he was a teammate of a guy who plays well. Yeah. Wow.

So then a couple days later, November 4th, 87, paul player bernard randolph was a no-show tuesday no show didn't show up the day he was supposed to show up oh no just didn't show up just fucking why just spaced the whole thing you can only see one arm on the clock at a time that's it yeah he's like oh shit is it four i thought oh fuck well that is the long hand my eyes all why would he do that he's he's a weird guy he's an enigma wrapped in a riddle here and um so he's having some problems here and i mean he's been cracked in the head with a tire iron his mom died you know i mean you gotta feel bad for a guy like this a little bit he's not he hasn't made all his own problems but once you're an an adult, nothing really matters anymore.

The adult world doesn't make concessions for you because shit sucked when you were younger. No, there are no handicaps for people with horrible tragedy. It doesn't work like that. So you kind of feel bad for him, Jimmy, but not nearly as bad as you may feel for Bernard P. Randolph, who is a general of the United States Air Force. There he is. And by the way, if you're looking up things about a Bernard Randolph and there's a general in the Air Force with that name, you're going to come across a shitload of things about a lot about his life. Yeah, he was in Vietnamietnam he's got a bronze star service medal all that stuff so he's done a bunch he's been in the he was in the air force from 56

to 90 or was he a washout in the nba james you'll never know you never know well people might confuse him here he died in 2021 so he doesn't give a shit either way at this point. But this guy, 56 to 90, so he was a general during this time, too. So looking for Bernard Randolph stuff, not easy. Also, don't hold this against Bernard Randolph, M.D. Also here, we don't want to. In St. Louis, Missouri, we don't want to disparage this poor bastard's name at all. That's not great. But this guy, who's's like his profile picture he's

shirtless and like in a palm tree which is a shirtless doctor on linkedin no no no not a doctor this guy this guy's a mechanical maintenance man at reynolds consumer products in the chicago area and that's his profile picture then there's and shit like that? I doubt it. I highly doubt it. Maybe. That's possible. Oh, you know what it is? That's the logo there.

Yep, it is. He's making tinfoil. That nonstick tinfoil is a magical, magical thing, though. I will say that. I hope he has something to do with that. That cling wrap is pretty amazing, too. Oh, it's great, great. But the nonstick, after years of scraping things and tinfoil stuck to shit it just falls right off it's the greatest thing in the world take a nibble of

a piece of fish and you're filling zing motherfucker what's that why is it stick to it god damn that's a hundred thousand volts right there so then there's another bernard randolph who again is easy to find this bernard randolph we're going to tell you a little tale of another Bernard Randolph. Okay. This is from a newspaper, August 22, 1991. Bernard Randolph has college scouts excited. Oh. Yeah.

Not our Bernard Randolph. This other one. They said, according to the latest recruiting jargon, there are big-name players who make the top of every recruiting list in the country. And then there are the big, big-name players. Pendleton's Bernard Randolph is on that list. Oh. Big, big. Randolph leads the way on the independent males Fab 15 list of top senior recruits in the upper state.

At 6'3", 248 pounds, he's considered one of the top three recruits in the state. at six foot three 248 pounds he's considered one of the top three recruits in the state he's a football player he's been named to the chicago tribunes top 10 in the south carolina sports reporters all-state pre-season team he was also recently selected as a blue chip all-american great doing great so 92 clemson 11 players, a huge program, among Wallace's 224 All-Americans, including quarterbacks Dexter McLean and Patrick Sapp, running backs, whoever, whoever, doesn't matter, linebackers, Bernard Randolph. So, he's got a big recruiting to Clemson, huge stuff here. Bernard said, quote, oh, I'm sorry, this is the other guy here. They did an outstanding job recruiting the inside linebackers.

I consider Bernard Randolph of Pendleton the best linebacker in the ACC. How about it? So that's what they say about him, just doing great. August of 92, here we go. Like a number of the other newspaper, Clemson freshmen who report for the start of orientation today, Bernard Randolph of Pendleton spent much of the summer

getting a jump on the college game, lifting weights, running, going to class, going to study hall, living in the dorm, learning how much he has to learn. And he hasn't minded. Quote, I think the transition to college would have been a lot tougher if I hadn't come in this summer. Everything we're doing is designed to better ourselves and help us get ready for what's to come.

Rated as one of the top outside linebacker prospects in the nation, he's just one of a group of talented Clemson freshmen, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. He says he hopes to make a significant contribution to this year's squad and he's ready to play okay so august 1992 clemson's randolph has surgery oh no this is like a week later arthroscopic knee surgery putting him out of action uh in the september 5th opener against ball state which is hilarious because we were talking on the bonus episode about Wayne Gretzky's wife betting on Ball State, maybe.

Fucking idea. No clue what the spread on Ball State fucking rice is. She has no idea. Randolph suffered torn cartilage during Monday's practice. He's expected to be out for two weeks. Randolph from Pendleton has not been listed on the first or second teams. So,

August 27th, they said one of the coaches says two guys that have made improvement was Bernard Randolph and some other guy who doesn't matter. Bernard played very aggressive and has a high intensity level in this scrimmage. If he maintains that level, he will help put us in a position to win. We're going to say grace on this Bernard Randolph right now. Yeah, on Bernard too? Yes, because a year later, the headline is Randolph listed as alert and stable. Uh-oh. That's not good.

Clemson Reserve defensive end Bernard Randolph admitted to Anderson Area Medical Center Thursday night for what school officials described as heat exhaustion was listed as alert and stable Friday. Randolph, a former high school standout, apparently became overheated during running drills late Thursday afternoon, Clemson coach said. Now, you'd take me to the hospital after doing running drills in South Carolina in the middle of the summer, too. You know, so that's understandable, especially if you're 270 pounds or some shit. middle of the summer yeah you know so that's understandable especially if you're 270 pounds or some shit right randolph was moved from an intensive care unit to a private room friday afternoon is expected to be released from the hospital by sunday randolph said he underwent tests friday but doctors had yet to determine the extent of the problem he said they're still

running tests he said he was feeling lightheaded but otherwise okay and hopes to return to practice next week. So next week here. Six days removed from the hospital, Bernard Randolph says he hopes to return to full contact practice later this week. Tests determine that an imbalance in electrolytes, probably caused by poor diet, caused Randolph to pass out after his fitness run on August 11th. Oh, no. Mix that with it being 100 degrees and 140% humidity, and that's what you're going to get here. His first day of practice. That was the first day of practice he fell out.

So he was hospitalized for five days. It was the second time this year that Randolph has been hospitalized, first for being a concussion during spring practice. Now, what we're going to find out, I think, is that that concussion has a lot more to do with all this than everything else. Probably. Oh, they said he's been cleared to resume activity by the doctors. He's been running, trying to get in shape. Hopefully real soon he'll be ready for contact work.

We'll go at his pace. The coach says Randolph recalls having trouble walking briefly being revived in the trainer's van then waking up the next day in the hospital oh no that sounds like way more than heat exhaustion yeah that's he said quote they said i had a seizure in the van oh shit that's not good seizures are generally bad that's neurological issues that's what i'm saying so i'm not a doctor. Neither, by the way, disclaimer, I know you're going to be surprised to hear this. Everybody, hold on to your shit.

If you're driving, maybe pull over so you don't freak out and go back and forth and take out a kid on a tricycle or something. But Jimmy and neither of us, the two of us, neither of us are doctors. Never spent a day in medical school. Can you believe it? Or college, for that matter. And honestly, spent as little time in high school as we possibly could. I didn't go to college for greens keeping. No, for anything.

I didn't drop out of community college after a semester. I envy people who have a semester of community college. James actually dropped out of high school for green smoking. That was it for green smoking. so you could call it keeping i was working on my greens keeping just a different kind he's certainly keeping it and i'm keeping it to this day so and i'm still not a doctor coincidence you never know weird weird so uh randolph said he has no recurrence of the dizziness uh this week and has been recurrence of the dizziness this week and has been back running on the practice field.

He's a redshirt sophomore. Yeah, he had bulked up from 245 to 266 this year too. Holy. He was trying to put weight on to be a defensive lineman. Yeah. Can't be a 250-pound defensive end unless you're uber fast. I mean, you can if you're better yeah joey bosa or something but there's not a lot of guys you don't have to hit anybody on the line no that's that's

that's those guys are rare so or um who was the old bronco that was a light defensive end too it was vaughn miller no he was but he fucking he'd go off the line all the time he played linebacker half the goddamn time he was yeah he's outside line he was a player yeah they just drop him down to you know where yes where there you go he was a wasn't he a lighter guy he's very yeah he's probably for a defensive end yeah which in the nfl at that time who knows at that time he was considered a lighter lineman i believe if i'm not mistaken it's like like 6'5", 6'6", so he could be 400 pounds for all I know. He's just very evenly dispersed. Yeah, he'd look fine still.

Jesus Christ. Looks terrific. No shit. So Randolph said, it's more of an attacking defense. Last year, the linebackers made all the tackles. Now they're putting more emphasis on the defensive line, making more tackles, too. Said when he changed positions, he also changed numbers. Quote, they said a down lineman couldn't have 44.

I had no choice whatsoever. That hurt me. His number? His number changing hurt him, he said. Very hurts him. What should hurt him more is a week later, he's back in for testing in the hospital. Bernard Randolph remained hospitalized Wednesday for more tests to determine the cause of dizzy spells, which have stricken him twice in three weeks of Clemson football practice.

Number 92 is really hard to wear, James. It's heavy. 44 is a light number. 68 is heavy. I can feel it weighing me down. He said he's listed in good condition in the hospital at the Anderson Area Medical Center. The coach said it's still too early to make any decisions about when he'll be back. So this is his second time in the hospital for multiple days.

In this latest episode, came 15 minutes into Tuesday's practice. Same thing. Dizzy. Off balance. You know, like you have a concussion that's fucking your head up. You know what I'm saying? I mean, it can be dehydration, but we'll find out it's not just that so he was examined and his blood pressure and pulse were fine they found out too so september 20th 1994 he's hospitalized for heat

exhaustion dizzy spells and remains under medical observation so he came back and then again was hospitalized for dizzy spells so this is like his third hospitalization for dizzy spells getting to be a problem november 2nd 1994 he's back yeah this is a quite the tale from everywhere yeah he returned to practice two weeks ago and is at full speed the team physician said and they said he's in good physical condition should be ready to play before the season's over. He's fine. Doctors still unable to diagnose the problem of dizzy spells. They don't know what's wrong?

Nope. They don't know that he had a bad concussion, and then three months later he's having dizzy spells when doing activities and getting hit in the head more. They're not figuring putting those two things together because they didn't back then. Remember they told Rudy Pochek he was fine? No, you're fine.

Once your head stops hurting, don't worry about it. Go out and bang it against the wall again. It won't hurt you. That's how they thought of it. So 1995 now, March 29, 1995, Bernard Randolph's twice-interrupted Clemson football career is blooming anew this season. Oh, that's great. That's good. The coach, Tommy West, said Bernard Randolph has made a move.

He plays very well. He's played very well and very consistently, and that's been a great addition. He's 270 pounds now, and they said he suffered no recurrence of the dizzy spells, which sent him to the hospital three times last year. He was practicing without difficulty at the end of last season, but never played.

He had a knee injury in 92. They said in addition to this, Clemson's defense is lacking Randolph, who was involved in the defensive lines for sacks. Oh, 95, October 18th, he breaks his leg against Georgia. Uh-oh. So he comes back and immediately breaks his leg

pretty much here. So April 96, it says the defense sacked the quarterback seven times, two by senior Eric Bradford, Bernard Randolph, returning after a broken leg injury that put him out for the last half of the 95 season, had six tackles and a tackle for a loss. So now they say, quote, August 22nd, 1996, headaches may end Randolph's Clebson career. Oh, really? The next year. Yeah yeah it won't stop fucking headaches shit uh doctor still testing him for bouts of dizziness still getting them when he hits his head on things he gets dizzy yeah uh wow so they say bernard randolph was the prize

of clemson's freshman class of 92 when one scout called him the best outside linebacker in high school football nationwide after five hard luck years the pendleton high graduate probably will have to give up football because of recurring dizziness and headaches coach tommy west said quote they're running some tests but as of right now bernard is going to give it up that's what the coach says randolph is not available for comment george randolph this i think is his dad said the condition could be career ending but said his son is still awaiting the results of a test by a team doctor wow they said his career has seemed jinxed from the moment he arrived at clebson holy shit man i guess so he started six games and then broke his leg the one year.

He's all these things. George Randolph, his dad, said, it's been really devastating. He's worked hard, but sometimes things don't work out. They said that Randolph's decision is real hard because he's worked as hard as he ever has worked this summer. Man. So he's 22 years old, this guy. Yeah. This poor bastard. And he's got a lot of problems.

And that's it. He never plays again, disappears. Never plays again. That's it. Fades at concussions. Fades into the background. So headaches and dizziness after a bad concussion. You know, years ago, Clinton Portis used to talk about having headaches and talked about it while he was playing.

He said, I get migraines so bad that I lose my balance. And Terrell Davis. Terrell Davis, too. And that was Mike Shanahan's playbook was fucking hammer it up the middle. We're not dancing. We're going to smash them. These guys. Both of them.

And Clinton talks about it today that he played through concussions because as soon as you said that i'm like didn't didn't those running backs say that shit as soon as guys retire even now they go oh yeah no we if you played last year you played with a bunch of concussions like they're like their protocols bullshit the guys say they know how to get away with it unless they're out cold they know they don't want to get dinged with the concussion protocol. So they say you go down and hit your head and you hurt your head. You go down and you grab your solar plexus, act like you're out of breath. You act like you got the wind knocked out of you because everyone goes, oh, just let him lay there for a second.

Because that's all you can do for a wind knocked out. You just got wind knocked out of me and people go, oh, cool. And they just give you 10 seconds. Then you can get up and you can get up slow and wander around, and nobody thinks it's your head. The wait is over. So far, you're not losing. The only thing you're losing is my patience. Quickly, I see that.

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He's in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, great player. Does he just not talk about the fucking trauma he has because he's getting another paycheck? Is that what it is? I don't know. Well, yeah, if you work for the NFL. Because know. Well, yeah, if you work for the NFL, yes. If you work for the NFL, you're not going to go out and talk about how you played through a bunch of concussions and it made the league a bunch of money and isn't that great.

They're not going to do that. Because at some point, you've got to say this is unacceptable, right? But he's not going to say it because he's getting paid. Yeah, that's a multi-billion dollar conglomerate they don't give a you just gotta say it about any of that say what they want because and he left for his knees and shit yeah what do you want to bet he didn't leave for the knees what do you want to bet he left for his fucking head a lot of these guys leave for their head and that's but yeah if you work for the league you don't hear any of that shit that's why guys like um arian foster andrian Foster and like Ricky Williams and guys like that are like

important because they don't generally, they'll just say anything that's true that happened to them because they're not worried about taking the league's money. Davis is saying he got his first headache when he was nine years old at football. He probably got a fucking concussion when he was nine. That's what I'm saying. These guys do this forever. They had no idea back then. And they're still, now they know.

From nine years old on, James. Unless it's obvious that someone got dinged. The players will fake it and it's not a, you know, they get away with it a lot. How much of Gerald Davis' brain is dead because of this? Yeah. There's no way to play football safely. Like, it's just not possible. I'm not saying we shouldn't play football.

People know the, but they need to know. Right. They need to know what you're up against. You can, it's a fucking free country. And if you want to sign away your, your whatever to do something dangerous for money,

then great. People do a lot of dangerous shit for money. People walk on high wires and have people watch. Like that's fine. You're allowed to do that. I don't give a fuck. There's a dude that jumps out of a fucking plane for a living so i mean you need to fucking tell people though hey when you're fucking this happens when your brain is rice pudding that's possible

from doing this that's all right and we're not gonna have some money you might have some money to forget i get that it's a transaction but with one one side, one side doesn't, isn't, they've been not telling one side what they're buying for a long fucking time now is the problem. We're buying your brain health from you every day. And like I said, the players hide it because they don't want to get cut. They don't want to get, no. They don't want to lose that money. Well, you don't want to get known as a concussion guy. If you're a concussion guy, everybody's leery of you because, you know, you're going to get dinged and you're going to be out and you've already been twice already.

So now you're going to have to sit out this amount of time. And a guy playing with several concussions is that's not a good. He may forget the play. He's a liability on the field for a win, for Christ's sake. Fuck everything else. Fuck his health. We're still looking for W's around here. Yeah.

Yeah. It's not going to help any. Well, I mean, he could be gone at any time. That's the other thing. Everything could be going fine. He could be the league MVP and then one hit. There's he's gone. Now he's gone for the rest of the year. That's it.

So that's why Steve Young retired and Troy Aikman retired, all those guys. So February 3rd, 1988 here. Back to basketball Bernard here. Back to Bernard, the basketball Bernard. Right. Yeah. Okay. Here's an article from the Miami Herald again. The most telling incident of how Randolph had changed occurred during his most recent NBA All-Star break or the most recent convinced that a job with the Rockford Lightning of the CBA awaited him.

Randolph arrived at the team motel late Tuesday evening. Quote, I'm the newest Rockford lightning of the CBA awaited him. Randolph arrived at the team motel late Tuesday evening. Quote, I'm the newest Rockford. I'm the newest Rockford player, he told the clerk who gave him a room. Oh, my God. The next morning in his daily check, General Manager Dave Abrams called the motel and was told about his new player. Abrams said, what new player? Yeah, who is he? Abrams said he called Randolph,

explained that the Lightning weren't in need of his services, and unless he intended to pay for the room, he should probably leave immediately, because I'm not paying for your fucking room. That's fucking funny. They said, strange thing is, a year earlier, Abrams and the assistant general manager had offered Bernard a tryout.

Arrangements were made, but Randolph never showed up. Why is that? Never showed. They said, now, here he was, asking the Lightning to make good on their offer. He just showed up a year later and was like, I'm here for my shit. Remember that job you offered me a year ago? Yeah. I'll take it now.

I'll take it. Oh, I thought that was for last year you were offering me the contract. I thought show up next year. Okay. The position's been filled. I mean, I was offered first. I've had this circled on my calendar for like 11 months now. I don't understand what we're talking about.

I never said no. This is a terrific injustice. I'm not sure about this. This is awesome. I never turned it down. An awesome turn on this this is awesome this is i've never i never turned it down an awesome turn on my career is what this is so abrams said quote it was like a flashback he just what the fuck what's happening randolph later left the hotel that evening said police yeah that's a bad start when they say that they start getting to know what the police said you did.

That evening, said police, he sped away in a taxi cab while the driver was in a convenience store checking on his Illinois state lottery numbers. He stole a car? He stole a taxi. Which. Holy shit. Maybe something less conspicuous than a yellow fucking thing with a lit up sign on the top of it maybe something just a honda or something you can grab you might blend in a little bit yeah that has lots of lettering all over it and it's bright yellow bright yellow has a phone

number on the side of it for christ's sake bright yellow with a light on top as well yeah and i'm identifying number not just phone but yeah behind your cab right now i got the number off the cab no it's it's cab 43 i don't think unique number it's very strange what's going on here very specific car randolph made it as far as nearby belvedere there belvedere police sergeant Max Mindar noticed the cab, which fit the description of a missing vehicle. You know, because it's bright yellow and has a phone number on it. And also, if you're going to steal a cab, it's bright yellow,

it's got lights and numbers and everything all over it, which is conspicuous. But even then, you'd say, well, I'll just drive the speed limit and stay in everything. No, no, not Bernard. Bernard has decided to take this conspicuous vehicle that is obviously stolen and drive the wrong way on a one way

street he's not speeding weaving in and out of traffic he's going the wrong way bringing the most attention yes how much more attention can I get I've stolen a yellow car. The fucking on-duty light is bright on top.

It's got the phone number on it. Hold on. Let me turn down this street. After an eight or nine block chase, he finally pulled over. Jesus. Yes. That is an authority. Taxis aren't the fastest car out there either. You're not going to outrun a fucking cop car.

Lucky you didn't hurt somebody, though. Yeah. No shit. Especially going the wrong way. The authorities charged Randolph with criminal trespass to a vehicle. That seems light. Grand Theft Auto? They said as opposed to Grand Theft Auto.

That is... Why? How is that not Grand... He even ran from the cops when they tried to pull him over. That's the most Grand Theft Auto's it gets. That's what it fucking gets. You got in a car, you stole it. Okay, that's the most grand theft auto as it gets as it fucking gets you got in a car you stole it okay that's grand theft auto right there i'm whatever but criminal trespass if he was if the guy came out of the convenience store and bernard was sitting

in his passenger seat going through his glove box i'd say okay yeah that's criminal trespass criminal trespass is i got in a car in the parking lot that's the same model and color as mine and drove away. I couldn't get my key to start, so I hotwired it and figured I'll take it to the dealership, deal with it tomorrow. That's criminal trespass. Even that's, I'd go, well, you hotwired it? That's what you said? Yeah, you knew. Triple A is not a thing for you?

You had to have a question. Wow. As opposed to, why wouldn't they charge him with grand theft auto? You knew. AAA is not a thing for you? You had to have a question. Wow. As opposed to, why wouldn't they charge him with grand theft auto? They also charged him with trying to elude police, which is a misdemeanor. So two misdemeanors as opposed to any felonies, which is strange. So February 6th, 88 here, which is a couple days after this, a little more on the taxi. Former DePaul basketball player Bernard Randolph faces charges that he commandeered a taxi cab. Again, commandeered means for a purpose.

You just stole a car and then ran from the cops after driving dumb and fled police as they tried to arrest him in nearby Belvedere. Police say Randolph swiped the unattended cab while the driver was in the store, then led them on a nine-block chase before sergeant max mindar said quote he really couldn't explain his actions yeah i'm an idiot is the only way to explain those he never told us how or why he did it he just said he was cut from the rockford lightning and was going to play for an nba team he was taking the cab.

He just said he was cut. That's why he was leaving there. Right. He took the cab to go play for an NBA team. I'm headed to the Bulls practice. Yeah, I know the CBA team just cut me, but that's actually easy for me because I got a Clippers contract signing,

so I got to get there and start playing. So I'm just going gonna take this car there i'm gonna drive there you don't mind right um wow quote he had no money on him yeah but he didn't seem destitute or anything so he was clean and had like clean clothes on and stuff but he said that but that's the weird part though he looks, but they said the unemployed Randolph told police he hadn't eaten in several days. Oh, my. The only thing he had in his possession that was made of paper certainly wasn't money. He had his DePaul diploma with him.

That was it. He apparently graduated. He carries that with him. He carries it with him places. That's all he had with him. He had no money, no anything, just his DePaul diploma and stolen cab keys. This is some sad diploma this is some sad shit right here man truly holy fuck dude this is a 25 year old man yeah 60 was 26 27 jesus christ if he applied himself he could still be in the nba with five years six years seven years to go. Instead, he's this.

Stealing a cab with a diploma as ID. And the other thing is, too, he's delusional. I'm going to go play in the NBA. You didn't even get cut from this team because you were never on it. You just showed up. Seems to be some mental health issues. Yeah, maybe from getting his head bashed in by a fucking tire iron. Yeah.

That could be why. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, he took that. So that could be the reason. February 15th, 88, failure to appear here. He's eventually released on bond, but he failed to appear for a February 15th court date, said the attorney here. So now they issue a bench warrant for him. So now he's wanted as well.

Just to let you know, Bernard's wanted, everybody. Holy shit. It's the guy with the dent in his head and the eye patch. You'll find him, yeah. Who says he's going to go play for the fucking Supersonics. Says the 76ers have a roster spot waiting for him. That guy. This is all shocking, Jimmy.

Shocking, but not nearly as shocking as the sales jimmy yeah the this particular thing this is pretty hot shit here the los angeles times march 13th 1988 while reading about bernard you can also fix your hair loss with gap correction technique for your most natural hairline. $15 a plug. A plug. A plug. $15 for each little time they plug a hair in your head. Each follicle, $15. Is that a good price?

I don't know. They're really bragging like that's a good price. Just rub your head. That's what I mean. You don't have stubble. No, I got a hair. Rub your hand against stubble and feel all of them. Oh, I can grab.

Look at the hair. There's a lot. Yeah, that's a all of them. Oh, I can grab. Look at the hair. There's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot of plugs. 15 each? I got like fucking 50 grand worth of fucking hair in my head right now. Oh, James. If this was to be put in professionally, it's 50 grand worth of hair. That's a lot of stitching.

Yeah. You're a good 35 grand worth of hair. I got some pretty good amount up there. Each one? 15 bucks? 15 15 bucks can i sell them pop them out see if there's a sec i don't know if there's a secondary market will they take eight will they give me eight yo man this plug's still alive man just stick it in your head man it's good shit 15 wax them for the root that's the first session so after that it's more a plug. What?

I don't know. I never thought of how much air plugs cost, but they must be very expensive. I guess I never thought either, but I never thought about it being per. I figured they'd give you like an estimate, like an estimate for the whole deal. I figured like there was a square inch. I don't know. Let's say all of this right here. What's that going to cost me? I don't know.

About $1,500, $1,600. We'll see once we get it up on the rack how much it is. All right. I picture like a contractor pulling out a measuring tape, measuring it, and then doing some math. Yeah, yeah. The area of- This is just an estimate, mind you. Like if you're getting flooring. Like if you're getting flooring.

Like if you're getting flooring, like that sort of thing. It could get more or less once I get into it. I don't know what's wrong up there. We're going to talk about materials also. There could be problems. We're going to have to work into that. You know, hopefully the floor's not rotted out. I got to see what your subfloor looks like.

$15 a plug. You got to start doing math. How much of a hairline am I looking for here? Yeah, is it $15 per no matter what? So if I got a good base and you've got a shitty base, it's still the same? Well, yeah, you could get 10 plugs put in, I assume. We'll do a $150 job for you real quick, just a little bit. I got a little something right here.

It's weird. I don't know. You just put like 10 plugs in there. Can we get on layaway? Yeah. All I've got is $180 this week. All right, we'll put in $18. Look, look, look. Just, okay. right here it's weird i don't need to put like 10 plugs in there can we get on layaway yeah all i've got is 180 this week all right we'll put in 18 look look look just okay do some of the front now and i'll lay away the back till later just start building to start but the front now i got a tattoo

i got a date tonight so if you can just maybe just stick a couple in the front for now just just do the line just do the outline we'll shade it later yeah maybe i could just like style it a little bit you know fuck is happening american hair centers 15 that was in 1988 so i can't oh my god i assume what it is now that was 35 years ago for christ's sake it's probably fucking a hundred dollars a plug. Does hair cost you like 50 grand? I don't know. Wow. I mean, while you're plugging, you're working yourself out of a job, so probably so.

I guess so. You know what I mean? Then again, someone's literally plucking a hair from your head and then replanting it in your head. $15. When you look at it that way, it doesn't seem like that high of a cost

to do that, right? To make it stay in your head? Yeah. They take it from your lower back now, too, or your neck or your shoulder, like where it's real coarse and thick. Like body hair? Yeah. Like weird body hair? It's not from your head all the time.

That's weird, man. Yeah. They take it from your neck, babe. Wow. I admittedly know very little about hair plugs. Just not anything I've ever looked into. Pablo Francisco had it done. They took it from his goddamn neck.

Jesus Christ. Yeah. From his upper shoulders, like right in the middle. Oh, man. It'd be good to get it like the bottom of your beard, that neck. Yeah, that's good hair. Well, two birds is what I'm thinking. You don't have to keep shaving that and getting ingrown hairs and all that awful shit.

And then you have regular hair. That's great's great the thing is even if you tweeze that it's coming back yeah it'll be back there in a couple of days maybe if you surgically remove it it'll be gone i lasered mine and it's stuck around it's still there james lasers so back let's talk about skip dillard again yeah how'd he do uh his real name's norman by the way and uh yeah still better norman so yeah you're walking around the west side of chicago in the 80s and you're like i'm skip man even skip sounds like a pussy but norman sounds way worse yeah i'd rather be skippy than norman his parents he got a much different upbringing than Bernard his parents are Charles a former police officer and who became supervisor

of security for the Chicago Board of Education and his mother was a teacher yeah security for his wife yeah that was not too bad so he ended up I guess Skip was the oldest of five and you know he actually

took to get an education thing as a big deal. That's serious, huh? Yeah. Dillard, the coach said Dillard made 97% of free throws while in high school. In high school? Yeah. They said if the game's on the line, he wanted Dillard at the line, not Aguirre, not anywhere.

He wanted the ball in Dillard's hands on the line, and we're winning the game here. They said he's a strong physical player. He had a good jump shot. And they said not a very good still shooter, not a great penetrator or ball handler, but still a great standstill shooter. That's why he wasn't in the NBA. He's not looking for a lot of six-foot-two standstill shooters in the NBA. So I guess he turned to the CBA, and nobody wanted him there so um then he turned to cocaine

skip dillard yeah this is the story of like three guys here you got bernard skip and mark mcguire that had very different life paths you know what i'm saying he went to school uh it was a great free throw shooter went to college to get the education because his mom's a teacher and his dad's a goddamn- Board of Education guy. Yeah. He's a great guy. So he goes and gets all this education and takes everything dead ass serious, comes out, cocaine.

Cocaine. Last September, Dillard was charged with committing 15 armed robberies. Cocaine's a hell of a drug. That's like- That'll make you do crazy shit. That isn't just getting caught with some coke in the car no you're robbing places for coke that's a man that loves cocaine oh my god that's the billy ray bates level of love of something here so mostly gas stations he's robbing too really he's doing that so that's a good chance you know you're risking getting a

shot doing that right that's something you're in the 60s in the 60s that was a very common thing to do in rural gas station you get the money and you run if it's a do that if it's a chain nobody cares but if it's some mom and pop shop and it's somebody's living if it's uh jackie mason from fucking the jerk he might be fighting back this is his livelihood this woman will not have sex with him anymore if anything happens to this man you see her she will not have sex with me anymore not have sex with me anymore that would be a tragic is that what he says that would be tragic so he confessed that the robberies he confessed right after he got arrested saying that he needed the money to support his cocaine habit wow wow imagine loving anything that much to rob 15 gas stations that's

what he got caught for yeah that's not what he had who knows so many more as i said he's currently at that moment undergoing treatment at gateway foundation a chicago drug rehabilitation center and he's awaiting uh word on a court date he could face charges of a mandatory 6 to 30 year sentence for each alleged robbery holy shit so he's kind of fucked now 15 per 15 per yeah that's a lot wow so april 6 88 chicago tribune former depaul basketball player b basketball player Bernard Randolph pleaded guilty to two in two Rockford area courtrooms Tuesday and received separate fines amounting to $200 on charges stemming from a February incident in which he stole a cab in Rockford. State's attorney's office said that he received a $100 fine after pleading guilty to criminal trespass to a vehicle and then was fined an additional $100 in a separate hearing after pleading guilty to attempt to flee and elude state police. So April 7th, 88, the next day, the next day, jailed on theft charges again after allegedly stealing what, Jimmy? Yeah, what?

A coat. Oh, just. Is he cold? What day is it? The next day, April 7th in Chicago. He's not cold. He's not cold. He stole the coat. It's cold in April sometimes.

April is it? Yeah, I guess. Early April, it gets goddamn cold in early April. Yeah. Stole a coat. Wow. Stole a coat. From where?

Don't know. Here we go. Let's find out other shit that's happening to him i don't know from a person from a store april 15th 88 few days later here he's been in jail since april 7th on theft charges he's moved to a mental health center because of disciplinary problems in the jail based on his mental health right he's not right in the head man no he's, he's not. He's not. County Judge Gerald Grubb authorized the petition that placed Randolph in the center against his will.

Not even, he thinks he's fine. At a hearing, Randolph asked for a continuance until next week so he could hire an attorney. The hearing will determine whether officials can keep him at the center until his trial later in the month. The petition to keep him in the center alleges that he is mentally ill and that there is Yeah, he's a danger. April 28th, 1988, he's out of there. Oh, boy. And he's arrested again.

Really? He's charged with, this is a weird one I don't think we've ever heard before. It's rare that we get a crime in sports first. Yeah. Because when you deal with hundreds of people with brain damage, anything can happen. So generally we get a lot of scenarios. Yeah. He's charged with trespassing at the O'Hare Airport.

In what year? 1988. You could be everywhere in an airport in 1988. Yeah, you don't even have to have a ticket to go past security. That's what I mean. How much of a disturbance do you have to be to be trespassing at an airport? I walk past at the airport in Phoenix going to terminals. There is a small group of seats there where homeless people are sleeping.

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Inside the airport. Absolutely. I walk past that they don't get trespassed well what was how did they catch him what was he doing he's walking around the airport um he well he wasn't in like the terminal was the problem an engineer complained to police about a man trespassing in the airport's heating and cooling plant. Oh, he's sleeping out there.

He's carrying a duffel bag. Do you know what's in his duffel bag? His change of clothes and his toiletries? Nope, that would be normal. Oh, boy. He's carrying two basketballs and a high school trophy when he's arrested. That's what he has on him. What?

Now he doesn't even have his diploma on him anymore. Two basketballs and a high school trophy. He hasn't even graduated college anymore. He thinks he's trying out for colleges now, probably. He's out of his fucking mind. Fuck. They said they found him just sitting in a grassy area near the terminals when the police showed up. Yeah, he's sick, guys.

He's got a lot of problems. They said, quote, he had just been wandering around and was sitting on a hill watching planes take off and land. It just seemed to me like he was lost. Then the police officer said, I recognized him because I'm a huge DePaul fan. It's a very sad story. No kidding. He's like, holy shit, what the fuck are you doing, bro? I want to see my high school trophy.

Wow, that is crazy. So May 13th, 88, a misdemeanor charge of criminal trespass has been dropped against him here. I don't know if they think they just, they said, yeah, they said neither Randolph nor the complaining witness, who's an O'Hare airport official, showed up for the hearing. So he's lucky they didn't show up or they just issue another warrant for him so yeah so he was just sitting there on the hill and um that was that so it's i guess it's dropped after that yeah november 1990 now here's an article on nick anderson remember him yeah orlando magic from Magic. Definitely not a free-throw shooter, as we found out in the playoffs. Right.

But Nick Anderson here, he said he grew up idolizing Bernard Randolph. Really? Which makes sense because they're the same size. Nick Anderson is a weird 6'5", tweener kind of guy, too, who learned to shoot the three. They both played college basketball. Skip Diller, too, he idolized the two of them because they both made it out of the hood and played it to Paul, is what he said.

So he said the streets called them both back, is what Nick Anderson says, though. They said at this point in time, in 1990, Randolph is currently a patient in a mental institution and Dillard is serving a 17-year sentence in Illinois State Prison. For the thefts. For 15-arm robberies. For robberies, yeah.

That's a lot. That's a lot of... He's lucky he only got one and a little bit for more. Yeah. He got concurrent instead of consecutive. That's probably it, yeah. Or he got one in a month for each one. Yeah, one of those.

Well, there's minimum six. Yeah. So it had one in a month for each one. One of the. Yeah. One of those. Well, there's minimum six. Yeah. So it had to be a concurrent deal. So those are his two idols and they are prison and a mental institution at this point. Unreal. So March of 2006, he's out of the mental institution. Yeah. And attending DePaul coach Ray Myers funeral. Oh, yeah. there you go.

We think it's him here. It's got to be. Yeah, it had to be him. Then we hear nothing more of Bernard Randolph until 2006. I'm sorry, until 2023, August of 2023, when he dies. 2023, August of 2023, when he dies. So the problem is, though, we think this is Bernard, but he disappeared for so long, we can't tell by the picture if it's him.

Because we have a picture of him when he's 20, and we have a picture of him when he's fucking 62. Maybe. Hopefully. Who knows? Yeah. And it seems right, because the birthday is there it's a guy bernard randolph from chicago born april 20 at 61 so it seems like that guy yeah so we think he died august 14th 2023 wow we think here um and then we where how we found some comment no that's because he was so out of the public eye no one even bothered to comment on it. We found here's a comment below his funeral notice saying Bernard was like a son to my grandmother. He would always come on Central Park. That's gross. Yikes. And Douglas to get a meal and just to hang out with our family and just have a great time. He will definitely be missed and is a true legend of the basketball community so it has to be him yeah it has to be him and then somebody else here maybe a daughter we don't know i had so much fun hanging out with you on your birthday i always find it odd when people write to dead

people as if they're alive yeah it's wild it's i mean i get it whatever makes your brain process things but i always go i can't like for me i can't do that because I'm like, who am I talking to? It is bizarre also because you can comment back to them and respond to them. It's almost like they're looking for a conversation about this person. But the one person that you want to comment is never going to be able to comment. You're going to get no likes from them whatsoever. You're going to get nothing back from them ever. So thank you for being there for me. I love you so much and I will truly miss you.

I'm going to miss my father calling me every day to check on me i'm glad that you're at peace now so he's got kids too then yeah i mean jesus christ he said think about it he's had to have left some left one in somebody somewhere because christ almighty he's leaving himself on the o'hare grassy knoll here so that everybody, everybody. That's so disappointing. It's a very disappointing story. I know this was kind of a weird one, but it was him and then the story. It was kind of like the story of these three guys

that all came up together. And one became a huge NBA star and has championship rings and everybody knows who his name is. It's a little Goldilocks of basketball situation. And the thing is, too too if you looked at them all in high school and you said okay one's going to prison for more than 15 years for a fucking coke fueled armed robbery spree one's going to be in and out of a mental institution and be all messed

up and then one's going to be an nba superstar who does this and this and this you go oh the fuck knows when they were 16 17 this is basketball sleepers yeah that's what i'm saying it is choose your own basketball adventure over here it's fucking weird without kevin bacon or raping any children that helps well that's why hoop dreams is interesting though yeah yeah it is because who knows that's what i mean you can't take a kid in high school and you never know where their life is going to go. No clue. Look at how three pads completely diverge.

And then add in the other Bernard Randolph of just a cautionary tale, too. It's just a lot. And then out of all this, we have General Randolph, who did nothing to be lumped in with these people, except be named Bernard Randolph, but that's fine. And then there's Randolph and Mortimer, who bet a dollar. Who bet a dollar that they couldn't make Bernard Randolph go crazy. That would be great, as they're dragging him away. He's like, but there's these two guys.

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Millikalen. I don't know that that name skyler with no last name elias the dude kelly frederick victorious babooey uh sterling with no last name sarah gibbs todd kinsley kinsey it's just kinsey olivia popescu uh popescu pop Popescu, Poppet. All right. Nikki with no last name. Zayida Moncrief. Cyan, Cyan, Sean. Chris Peterson. Brendan Burkhart. Judy Croney. Destiny Moore.

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Bar Man. Ute with no last name. The U tree utes uh jennifer miller chase rutledge chris with no last name bill trip brandy with no last name mary johnson stephanie peters ashley eaton ben hilton smith lindsey holcomb madison elliott will s shelby tooley Will S. Shelby Tooley, Theodora Moody, Logan Guer, Cameron Priebe, Mil with no last name, just M-I-L. Christopher Nagy, Sharon M.K., Kelly Gillespie. She's an artist and she's terrific. Gertedge Baines, Gertege, Tobana, Tobana Barker, Tobana, Tababana, Blake Brattu, Jennifer Ellison, I Love You Ellen, Little Baby, Lukumers, Lukums, Lukums the little baby, J. Ham Gurum, Brad with no

last name, Don O'Kreen, Drew with no last name. Ilana Nemerson. Katie Clements. Marissa Asazari. Asareezy. Morgan Alford. My ass is crazy. Emily Clark. Francesca with no last name. Kyrie Hightower.

Heather Ranchette. Rancity. Rancetti. Let's go with Rancetti. Ranchette. Rachette. Rancetti. There's no N.

God damn it. Otherwise it sounds like a small ranch or a ranchette. It's a small ranch. It's a Rancette. It's a small race. A very small race. It's a Rancette. It's a Rancette.

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That's Pizza Bagels in Brooklyn, I believe. Is there a Pizza Bagel place? Or do you just mean like the microwave? In the oven, yeah, with the little pepperoni squares on it. Oh, baby. The frozen ones. All right. Rachel Talfour. Mikey would know the last name.

Candice Allen. Brandy. Brady Nolan. Bird Forever. Zella Fields. Michelle Brunel. Katie would know the last name. The Letter S.

This show brought to you by the letter S. Dave Scharr, Kim would know last name, Walter Manieri, Walter Manieri, John McGlory, Gene, Gene McGlory, Nick James, Jason Yunt, G Van Vloten, Fresh Floyd, Caitlin and RJ Gibson, Danny Grizzle, Alan Johns, Mouse and Ivy, Teresa Reed, Tally, Tally713, Haley, or Hale, Thale, all right. Gnarly with no last name, Lake and Die, a Dacilia, Delicia, Delicia, a Delicia. That can't be right. Michelle Carr, Leola, Sarah Bell, Sarah Abasina, Danielle Smith, Angela Cobb, John Newton,

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