Crime in Sports - #380 - A Confident, Conniving, Opportunist - Jack Molinas

Episode Date: October 31, 2023

This week, we check out a guy who had one crazy life. He was a college basketball star, who got kicked out of the NBA, and became a lawyer. Then, after a prison term for running a gambling syndicate, with several well known mobsters, he does what every basketball player/lawyer/ex con does... he produces porn. In the end, the whole thing is a murder mystery, with the mafia looking like the culprits!Be a top NBA draft pick, get thrown out of the league for gambling, then be crime's version of Forrest Gump, by seemingly being everywhere, with everyone with Jack Molinas!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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no one's heard well if you're just regular if you're a run-of-the-mill sports fan, you certainly have not heard of this guy. Okay. Jacob Louis Malinas. No. Malinas is Jack Malinas, his name is, here. He's a basketball player. Oh. Old school, though.

Very old school. No kidding. Yeah. Black and white basketball player. And I don't mean the players. I mean the film. Is that his name? The players were all white, but the film was black and white basketball player. And I don't mean the players. I mean the film. Is that his name? The players were all white, but the film was black and white back then.

So that's when he was playing ball back in those days here. He's born on Halloween, October 31st, 1931. Oh, little creepy guy. Yeah, old school. He would be 100 coming up here in a few years. No kidding. If he was still alive, yes, indeed, which he might be. You don't know.

Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. He's an old man, and at the end of this, we're going to splice in an interview that we did with him. You never know. He's born in New York City. A couple of discrepancies whether he's born in Manhattan or the Bronx, but we don't know. So who knows?

Either one. So we'll talk about him here. His mother is Benvenuta Molinas. Benvenuta. Benvenuta. Goes by Betty. And his father is Louis Jacob Molinas. And he's got a brother named Julius, who they call Julie Molinas.

So there you go. He's a tough kid, I imagine, yeah? I think everything was E back then. You're something, he's something. You know what I mean? So Julius was Julie. Julius is too many syllables. It's three.

Yeah, I guess you're right. Not putting up with that. You get two syllables out of me, asshole. I'm busy, see? I only got time for two syllables, see? It's like the 40s, you know? Yeah. So he's from, i guess he's kind

of grew up in a family's like middle class and grows up in coney island actually no yes coney island in brooklyn there that's where birthplace of the hot dog him him the hot dog and stefan marbury all walking around that's what you get there sebastian telfair yeah one of those shoot first point guards was from there might be both to be honest with you uh yeah yeah they're cousins right i yes they are so that might be that might be why yeah sure so uh they grow up the neighborhood is kind of centered around the eagle bar it's called oh on surf avenue in con Island. That's where he grows up. The bar was operated by his parents. So his parents own a bar, so basically that's their living room is the bar. So he hangs around, listens to people back then. Say horrible things.

Back then it's just very blue-collar workers and criminals. That's who hangs out in bars. So that's kind of how it goes. So he listens to all the tough guys sit around and tell stories and talk and a lot of racketeers and gamblers and that kind of shit hanging around. Yeah. He's likely seen a fight or seven. Oh, yeah. All sorts of shit.

And he also, well, he figures out how kind of business works, underground business works. Okay. Being a young child because he just always hears it. As a 12-year-old, that's when he discovered basketball and got really into it here. That was the time when he was like, oh, shit, basketball is something. And he's 6'6", which is back then, if you're going to be that tall, there's not, you know, 1950, there wasn't a lot of people that were 6'6". They considered George Mike in a giant because he was 6'10". I was like, oh, my God, he's so huge.

Look at him. So in multiple articles, he's been described as a playground legend in NYC back then. Really? Talking first-generation NYC playground legend before. There were playgrounds then. Yes, there's always been. Yeah, there's always been. Wherever there's a hoop, yeah's he's near it there and so he became a good player at stuyvesant

high school but he was also into other shit here not only basketball because when he was 12 he discovered basketball and he also discovered gambling that he really enjoyed gambling and you find that in the bar real quick big time big time especially in some bar in brooklyn here in the 40s sure quite a bit of that sort of thing and uh he has basically started point shaving as a player oh is that in high school wow he's been on the take since like the ninth tenth grade seventh grade, 17 years old, which is amazing because at that point, you know,

a, just to even think to do that as a child is amazing. And then at the same time, that also tells me the other thing that's crazy, that there's people betting on high school basketball games back then, like enough money to where it would matter to pay off the sophomore, the small forward to miss that foul shot at the end the backup yeah it's it's interesting so you don't hear that often we haven't heard

usually all of our guys even if they're getting in trouble you know stealing cars or something on the court on the field they're usually pure at least for a while even in our even on our show yeah the integrity of the game tends to matter to them because they're in love with it. Still, they're not looking for how to make money off of this. He's trying to make money. Oh, this is a guy who finds a pube and a fucking and a bet to take at the same age. Takes a bribe and a pube on the same day. This is very interesting here.

He gets offered a basketball scholarship from Columbia, which is a very good school. That's prestigious, too, right? It's like an Ivy League type of school. But back then they were big in athletics as well because Lou Gehrig went to Columbia. Is that right? Yeah. No shit? Lou Gehrig went to Columbia, absolutely.

How about that? Now Jack planned to become a dentist. That was his plan. Really? Yeah, because pro basketball at this point, in the late 40s, it just started. It was fleeting. No one knew if it would last. There's no money in it.

If you had a decent regular job, you might make more than playing basketball. It's just the way it was. And that went all the way up until the late 60s, until the ABA drove the prices up for everybody. So he ends up going to Columbia, 1950 is his first year in Columbia. They're 21-1 that year. Not bad. Not bad. 12-0 in the Ivy League conference or whatever the hell it was here.

Coach Lou Rossini, of course, is their coach. Lou Rossini beating up on harvard and yale big lou come over here get over here come here i gotta talk to you for a minute yeah so he's uh he jack was six four at the time and looking at his team there's another two other guys that are six five those are those are the tallest people they have wow that's a yeah nerds nerds don't generally grow very big no they usually well usually, well, yeah, if they're 6'7", it's tough to be a nerd because people are constantly, when people tell you you're wonderful and shove a ball in your hand all the time, it's hard for people to consider you a nerd.

It's tough to be a nerd with your dick in all these mouths. That's the thing. That's what it is. Well, hot girls talk to you. Hey, nerd, why don't you stop talking to that cheerleader, nerd? You don't hear that very often. Hey, stop fingering that cheerleader, you fucking dork. We'll give you a wedgie.

That's not normal. You don't usually hear that. He just dunked and fingered a cheerleader. He thinks he's cool. Yes, he does think he's cool. Only reason he's wearing a pocket protector is to not have this lube bottle leak all over his shirt. He needs it. He needs to keep it steady.

Jesus Christ. Yeah, he's one of the tallest guys on the team here. He led the team in scoring in 1951 with 331 points. Wow. Yeah, he had 14.4 points and 14.9 rebounds a game. A game? So he's doing 15 and 15. Double points and 14.9 rebounds a game. A game? So he's doing 15 and 15. Double-double.

At 6'4", yeah. So that's pretty damn good, I got to say here. He was named a Converse All-America Honorable Mention. Converse. Because Converse was the only shoe back then. That was the only thing they had. That thing will destroy your fucking ankle. Oh, Christ, there's no ankles.

It's a thin, microscopic piece of canvas nice ankle support that you lace to holy fuck all the way around your say you lace it around it that way maybe you can just from laces gain a little ankle support now no you're gonna snap your ankle all the players played in that shit back then unbelievable playing low top uh converse like what are you doing you're going to snap your ankle. All the players played in that shit back then. Unbelievable. You're playing low-top conversion. Like, what are you doing? You're going to hurt yourself. Jesus Christ, man. So they were number three in the nation when they entered the NCAA tournament,

but they ended up losing in the first round to Illinois, even though Molinas had 20 points and did very well. Incredible. So not too bad here. He's a pretty good player. October 51. points and did very well so not too bad here he's a pretty good player october 51 he okay this is fucking interesting here's just from from a newspaper back then we'll read a lot of old newspaper stuff molinas created a stir at columbia by dropping a glass filled with water out of his dormitory window onto a professor's car which will make a big you know water yeah yeah he was

yeah he was just showing off his knowledge of physics where if you drop the water it'll really pick up speed quick and fuck that car up good see watch immovable object and uh and moving object yeah i just want to express gravity and shit two objects can't occupy the same space at the same time. I'm demonstrating multiple principles of physics here all at once for everybody. There's a bunch of small children over there that I'm doing a demonstration for. It left a big dent in the hood, and then he was suspended for six months for that. Six months? From school. Yeah, they kicked him out of school for six months.

And we'll talk more about the water glass later that'll come up okay they talk about him as a freshman in college he was approached by a gambler named joe hacken okay and offered money to shave points you know gambler shit that's been going on for years he said no and he said that it wasn't worth the risk of getting kicked out of the school and basketball and he said that it wasn't worth the risk of getting kicked out of the school and basketball and everything else and he wasn't hurting for cash at the time too so he was like i'm good but then when he returned from his suspension after six months he was not as now he's a little broke he wasn't as patriotic about the school and all that either he's like i fuck them

they let kick me out for a glass of water for six months. You know what? Let's talk about it. Let's talk about this point shaving here. So this is like the pinnacle all time of sports point shaving is in the early 50s because this is when this is when the like the government investigators were still were still under the edict from J. Edgar Hoover that organized crime did not exist. OK. the edict from j edgar hoover that organized crime did not exist okay so you couldn't come as an fbi guy back to the to the clubhouse a lot of the times and say hey i got an organized crime thing because they'd go well that's not true oh you know what i mean so it was a thing like that that was kind of a was hoover trying to say it doesn't exist as like to not spend money on investigating? As to be probably on the payroll or not on the payroll so much as having a lot – people having a lot of blackmail material on him.

Oh, keeping people away from investigating it because I don't want my underwear drawer being looked through. That's the – I wouldn't even call it a conspiracy theory anymore because it's kind of – Yeah, it's pretty much the truth. It's kind of, just a lot has come out since then to make it pretty much, you can pretty much, but I mean, that's what you hear. I mean, we don't know. We can never be sure what happened in Hoover's office 70 years ago, but still. As a child, I've heard nothing except for fishnet stockings. Yeah, that's what you hear about it.

And my uncle knew the man. I should probably ask my uncle. Well, yeah, I don't know he knew him yeah yeah he just he fucking i'm asking him fuck it did he wear fishnets or what we know he did that's not that's not disputed we knew that no no that's not what part do you want what part's disputed whether how whether other people use that to blackmail him or not that that's the part that's like, you know, we're 90% sure, yes. Yeah. But there's no way to know that for sure because it's not like in the newspaper, Hoover blackmailed by, you know, it happens in an office somewhere you don't see it. I don't know if my uncle would be thrilled to tell me that information.

Yeah. Because politicians did it too. Yeah. be thrilled to tell me that information yeah because politicians did it too yeah that was that was nixon's whole thing with with not being afraid of hoover because he had a lot of info on hoover from when he was vice president yeah you got shit on me i got shit on you motherfucker let's you know guns in our holsters right and then hoover died single he never was married yeah well i mean he was buried with like another dude. That's fine. That's not the controversial part. It's whether he's getting bribed,

whether that left him open to being... To keep people from... Right. Yeah, to being viable at that point. But I think it was. Yeah. And that's anything back then. If you went to an opium hut when you were 22,

they'd hold that over your head. Anything that made you not leave it to beaver flag saluting looking american on tv they were you know back squeaky clean uh short sleeve striped up and down uh button up you know it it was a very it was a what a bizarre thing to want to look like it really was what a bizarre fucking way to want to represent yourself what an odd way of that's the only way people are good, is if they look like this. Some Stepford bullshit? Fuck that. It's strange.

I don't get it either, obviously. You know how I feel about it. No, thank you. But I don't understand. Everybody wanted the same car. They all wanted the same house. They all wanted the same fucking outfit, the same pants. They'd mow their lawn wearing fucking dress pants.

Like, what are we all doing? A 57vy in the driveway in a fucking three bedroom one bath house fuck this place the minute it's a nightmare the minute i put like my dress belt on to go outside to mow my lawn i'm starting i think i know there's a problem at this point right yeah some thin striped socks what the fuck am i doing what am i doing right now make sure my fucking my cuffs are good, my head is like. Make sure my neighbor doesn't see me drink. Fuck that.

No, no, can't be drinking. Got to be out there looking your best. Fucking crazy. So that's the 50s. Good for you, Jay Edgar. I wish you well. Yeah. And while this was all going on on the surface everybody yeah looking perfect and all the

leave it to beaver shit underneath any kind of crime and corruption just ran wild with graft i mean it was just everywhere so the point shaving got to be a big deal i guess in the leanest case the hacking guy came up to him again offered him five thousand dollars yeah which is a shitload of money back then. Fuck yeah, it is. In 1950, that's like three years average salary. So that's a lot. To make sure Columbia didn't cover the spread against Holy Cross. See, that's where I got a problem.

But all right, go on. That's what it is. So Molina's- When you're losing. Well, you just don't cover the spread. It doesn't matter if it's a loss or not. Columbia was favored. So it was, if we're favored by 12, let them only win by nine, please.

And fucking I win. Well, that's the way you can convince these kids to shave points back then is because you're like, I'm not asking you to lose. I'd never ask you to lose. I'm just saying don't win by 15. Win by 13 yeah that's all yeah that makes sense yeah that's so bad foul a guy at the end just to meet oh i tripped and fell into him he shot two and now we're only up by 13 and the spread was 14 oh well all right you

know that's that's how they get so bad and that's how kids go oh yeah that doesn't seem so bad well i'm still i still have integrity i'm still not trying to lose we still gotta win yeah and then you're what you're fucked at that point because then you're in so because then you're part of it he told melina's told hacken to bet the money for him for him instead of giving it to him that's what a gambler he is he said roll it over by the way oh boy i don't even want the money just fucking put it in for me that's how confident i am in my abilities to throw this fucking game for you or to shave points molina scored 39 points and had 22 rebounds that night you can't you can't suspect he's on it nope because columbia lost to holy cross in overtime so the coli cross was playing so well he didn't

have to do anything because they couldn't win they were getting beat either way so he didn't have to throw shit he scored 39 points and 22 rebounds just to try to win the game and just not cover the spread. So they ended up not winning the game. So apparently Hacken thought, due to Molinas' performance, that Molinas had backed out of the whole thing, which is stupid because you won anyway. What do you care?

Yeah, what's the difference? You've got cash in your pocket. Yeah, Molinas said, you got what you wanted? What the fuck? Yeah, we were losing that was the problem i had to i was trying to win and not cover so hacking gave him his money and by the end of the season they did this a few more times yeah where molinas would bet his money with him as well and he had gotten over a hundred thousand dollars fromen for throwing more games. $100,000 in 1951.

Wow. Why would you not? How could you not? That's what I mean. No one suspects it. He didn't throw games. Right. And he got $100,000.

That's like a million dollars now. Wow. More than that. That's crazy. How would you not do that? How would we not know who this would we get tax-free this motherfucker is that's yeah that's wild he's gotta hide that in a dorm room somewhere because you can't have that reported no oh fuck no it's cats fucking dirty cash from the streets yeah gotta right smell prostitutes on it like this was in a woman's bra before she gave it to a guy who

put it down his pants who then that smells like a thoroughly sucked nipple. That's what that smells like. That's what that smells like. I believe there's semen on this 20. I'm pretty sure. Yes, for sure. Just to see here. So much semen.

Andrew Jackson's nose is running. Yes, that's how it goes. Andrew Jackson doing coke. Oh, no, that's semen. So $100,000, but the problem is after the season's over, he's sitting around and he's still a gambler. Yeah. Except now he doesn't have any short things because he's not a part of them.

So, he just pisses all of his money away, losing it gambling on baseball games all summer. Oh, no. Which is, baseball's a really difficult sport to gamble at unless you're like an expert at baseball gambling. It's tough. It really is amazing to watch that because you're like an expert at baseball gambling it's tough it really is amazing to watch that because you can look at a team i mean granted it's and it's a lineup that's pretty common you know i mean their lineup is pretty pretty well set in stone unless somebody's injured you know who's playing that lineup can score 13 tonight tomorrow they'll score

two there's so many games shit there's so many games. It's such a, just when you work up like a mathematical model of it, there's so many games that literally anything is possible in any game because the odds of it are so, because you have so many at-bats. That's why football is a lot easier to do, and that's not even easy. Right. And the variables in baseball, like a pitcher pitcher now and today with the pitch count stuff the starting pitcher may be out after the third inning because he's thrown so many balls and people have torn torn fouls off him all night he may he may be up to fucking 70 pitches by the end

of the third inning and you'll see a guy who's normally you know lights out he comes in he gets bombed in the first inning that happens a lot. It's just, every once in a while, that's going to happen to the best pitcher in the fucking league. Yeah. It's just going to happen. And all of a sudden, you're facing relievers for six innings. Yeah.

They're trying to piece together a row. Yeah. Something behind them, and it's a totally different game. Piecemeal in this whole game. And then all of a sudden, they could score fucking two, or fucking 32.

Yeah. We don't know. You bet on like, I think it'll be like a 2-1 game, and it turns out that, you know, it's a mess. Yeah, 13-6.

Who the fuck knows? 19 fucking runs were scored today? That's crazy. Jesus, it's a lot. So Jack says here, this is, you know,

I gotta give him an in their own words for this because What's here, Jack? This really, it's a short one but it really sums up a guy. When you sum up a guy this well,

I think he needs to have it under music. In their own words, quote, I was really into gambling. I didn't care about the money. I never did. Gambling was action. Winning was glory. Money was just a way of keeping score.

The real fun was moving the numbers around. Even later on, that was the fun, the excitement. Moving the numbers around. Even later on, that was the fun, the excitement. Moving the numbers around? Yeah. It's not even, like, top-level college sports isn't enough competition and excitement for him. Yeah, he needs the whole thing. Yeah, and that's how gamblers think about it, too.

We always think about, how the fuck could you bet that much money? They don't look at money as money. Yeah. They're like, I'm reading a book about the whole FTX debacle and the Sam Fried guy and all that. That shit is nuts. And the way these brokers work and these traders on Wall Street work is they basically – money is just – that's what it is. It's the score.

That's how you keep score. The whole thing is a game to them. It's a game. How do you set up a model? How do you predict things? How do you look at patterns to get this? And it's a game, and the money keeps score. That's all they look at it as.

They don't care about the money. And the plus sign is winning. That's all it is. That's what I mean, yeah. It's credits. It's not even dollars. Exactly. And this guy got into the Bitcoin shit, which that's all it was.

It was about collecting. That's Mario money at that point, because they didn't know you know they had it in countries they couldn't get it out of and shit so it was like it didn't even and they were doing it at portions right so it was like they were it's a long story it's not like one and one to one it's like there's decimals all over the fucking place there's no way to explain it quickly put it that way like because i i have to read the rest of it. I don't understand finance. I'm a fucking idiot. I don't understand financial things.

It's a very concentrated orange juice. It is. It's a Michael Lewis book, and his shit is he really has a good way. He's the guy who wrote The Big Short and shit like that. So he has a really good way of breaking stuff down where a moron can understand it, which is helpful because I'm a moron. So it's good. So 51-52 season. Columbia goes 12-10 this year. where a moron can understand it, which is helpful because I'm a moron. So it's good. So 51-52 season.

Columbia goes 12-10 this year. Uh-oh. So not as good here. Oh, Lou's probably pissed. Lou Rossini's doing some yelling and screaming, I would say, at this point. Jack, though, 16.8 points. You ready for this? 24.9 rebounds a game.

That's 6-4. The man averaged 25 rebounds a game. That's 6'4". The man averaged 25 rebounds a game. Unreal. That's Wilt Chamberlain fucking numbers as a 6'4 guy. I get it that he's playing against Ivy League guys, but they had good sports back then, actually. It wasn't as bad as it is now. Wow. That's 24.9 rebounds a game is remarkable.

That's staggering. I don't even know what to say about that. That's 24.9 rebounds a game is remarkable. That's staggering. I don't even know what to say about that. That's insane. So nowadays, that guy would be coming out for the draft. Jesus Christ, 25 boards a game. 52-53, they go 17-6 here. Again, I'm looking at their roster. This year, I don't see anyone over 6'6".

Are you kidding me? The biggest man on the team, the biggest swinging cock on this team is named Dick Johnson. Not Richard, it says on his basketball reference, Dick Johnson. Dick Johnson. He's okay with that. Cock, cock.

Jack, this year, cock. Cock, cock. Jack, this year, 21.6 points, so ups his points, and 16.7 rebounds a game. Yeah. He is killing it on the court, but he's also now a full-time, full-fledged gambling partner with Hacken. They have their own business now. He's in it to win it, yeah. Yeah, he's the— He's a bookie. He's the captain of the

basketball team as a senior jesus christ while just making huge dough gambling shit and you know shaving points and all that sort of thing uh february 19th 1953 he scored a school record 41 points in their victory over princeton where they kicked the shit out of princeton uh it's been broken since then at Columbia but during that time that was the most anyway. So he's doing amazingly. He is working betting on other college games

bets on his own team. On top of that he would shave points. He'd throw games if necessary. He would win games. He'd shave points and just know how to make a bad pass around the you can't you don't get to be a part of the game and run the book but he's doing that yeah that seems like a conflict of interest like how do you even take a bet with that guy i guess

you bet with hackett right and that's that's the thing yeah hacken and you don't know that he's part of it yeah he's the only guy who knows Hacken. And you don't know that he's part of it? Yeah. He's the only guy who knows, and that way you can lay your bets off all around the country. But after a while, there would be a whatever he's betting, they know that this is the way it goes on Columbia, and that would move the line. So you'd have to bet it under other people and lay it off other places. Wow. It's fucking complicated to do gambling schemes and not have everyone understand exactly what you're doing right away. Right. do gambling schemes and not have everyone understand exactly what you're doing right away.

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How did I know that? I have crystal ball in my head. It's an all new season. It's streaming. You can say anything. Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. There's Charlie Rosen, who's an author and a former ballplayer here.

He wrote this about you for Charlie Rosen. Yeah, he wrote about Molinas in his book. He said, quote, to Molinas, playing in a rigged game was more exhilarating than playing it straight. Was it time to kick a pass out of bounds or get called for a three second violation? Or should he go on a scoring binge to make his own statistics respectable molinas love the idea of playing so many secret games at the same time unbelievable yeah he's just a scumbag i mean he's just having a party all by himself all by himself no one knows what's going on here that's crazy so uh the 1953 nba draft comes up and you know i see the look on your face you're going oh no yeah i know who it is the draft is held on april 24th 1953 it's the seventh annual

draft so yeah that tells you how much there in this draft there was nine teams in the NBA selecting people and um this draft consisted of 19 rounds where 100 is that right 122 people are picked the first the first three picks were territorial picks which the ABA had this as well every team in the league had a on a map you could see like a certain region like a wrestling territory and all the colleges and in that, that's their territory. So during the territorial draft, they have the rights to anybody from there they can pick. And no one else can pick. For the first three rounds? For the first three picks, I guess.

I don't know if it's the first three rounds or what. But there's only nine teams, so that could be. Right, so it doesn't matter. So then they would end up doing that here. So they wanted the local support of people. It was anybody within a 50-mile radius of the home arena. That was how territories worked. That's smart in the beginnings of a league to try to get local pride in it.

And the way to get local pride is to have a hometown boy. And the ABA did the same thing. The USFL sort of did the same thing. The USFL sort of did the same thing, but then, you know, if a guy didn't want to sign with that team, they'd make him sign somewhere else. But I mean, they had the same rules. Every startup league does that territorial shit. Because it helps, because that is the way you get,

you know, if you're some fledgling startup football league, you can get all the NFL cast-offs that play to Florida State if your team is based in Gainesville and you get some people to come watch it. So first three picks were territorial picks, and then the rest are normal. Who is the first territorial pick? Dick Van Arsdale.

It is not. It is Ernie Beck. Oh, yeah. Played for the Philadelphia Warriors, as I'm sure you know. Philadelphia Warriors? Philadelphia Warriors back then, yeah. Oh, my God Philadelphia Warriors, as I'm sure you know. Philadelphia Warriors? Philadelphia Warriors back then, yeah. Oh, my God. People moved right across the fucking country.

All right, regular pick. First regular pick in the draft. Number one overall pick, Jimmy. Yeah, it was E.J. Hollingsworth. Yeah, you're close, actually. Ray Felix. Oh, yeah. He's a center drafted by the Baltimore Bullets at the time. Baltimore Bullets before they went to D.C., huh. Oh, yeah. He's a center drafted by the Baltimore Bullets

at the time. Baltimore Bullets before they went to D.C., huh? Yeah. And the college he went to was Long Island, which I don't know if there's a university on Long Island pumping out NBA players. It's a community college now. Jesus Christ, it has to be. Bob Hauerbregs,

number second, number two, number second, I just said. Number three overall, Jack Malinas. Is that right? Yeah, look at his numbers. It makes sense. Yeah, you can't. How do you pick anybody else with fucking 25 rebounds?

That's what I mean. You know who he was picked by? No. The Fort Wayne Pistons. Yeah, Fort Wayne. Fort Wayne, Indiana? Yeah, Fort Wayne. Wow.

And then there was the Rochester Royals picked after him, which I think they moved to Cincinnati possibly later on, I believe. Boston Celtics still around. Syracuse Nationals were an NBA team at that point, which I thought you'd find. And then the Minneapolis Lakers, of course. Philadelphia Warriors, Milwaukee. That makes so much sense. Yes.

Yeah. Now it all makes sense. Did I never know that? You didn't know they moved from Minneapolis? Yeah. It makes so much sense. When they had George Mikan back then and all that, they were the Minneapolis Lakers. That was Minneapolis.

Yeah. And then they went to Los Angeles, and now they're the Lakers, even though there's no lakes there. Holy shit. Yeah. Remember the beginning of basketball? 10,000 of them up there. The Lakers moved from Minnesota to Los Angeles, where there are no lakes.. Holy shit, yeah. Remember the beginning of basketball? The Lakers move from Minnesota to Los Angeles

where there are no lakes. The Jazz move from New Orleans to Utah where they don't allow music. Ha ha! God damn it, Troy Parker, I love you. That was fucking hilarious. So, yes, he's the number three overall draft pick here. Unbelievable.

Outside of the territorial drafts, yeah. So, Fort Wayne three overall draft pick here. Unbelievable. Outside of the territorial drafts, yeah. So, Fort Wayne Pistons, here we come. 53-54. Fort Wayne Pistons are 40-32. Okay. Coached by Paul Birch. They go to the playoffs.

They, what the hell? How do you lose two rounds of the playoffs? Okay. They lost the NBA Western Division round robin versus Minneapolis. I guess it was a double elimination because there's only nine teams in the league. Right. Yeah, because how the fuck else are you going to crown a champion? So they get swept by the Lakers 0-2, and then they do another one and get swept by the Royals 0-2. I mean, that solidifies it.

You stink. You suck. Get the fuck out of here. I mean, that solidifies it. You stink. You suck. Get the fuck out of here. Everybody on this team, I don't think you've heard of anybody,

or I don't think I have heard of most. Mel Hutchins, Andy Phillip, Larry Faust, Jack Malinas, Max Zaslavsky, Fred Scolari, George Yardley, Monk Meineke, like the muffler, Frankie Bryan, Fred Schaus,o barnhorst ken murray chuck share and zeke sinicola that sounds like a bunch of guys that can't jump more than 11 inches that's sounds like a lot of guys with fucking brill cream in their hair yeah that's a lot of layups right there. Wow, that's a whole lot of layups. Wow. December 21st, 1953. This is the Bayonne Times, so New York paper here.

Wise-cracking Molinas makes boast good in basketball. That's the headline. It says, the first time Fort Wayne came into Madison Square Garden to play the Knickerbockers, Paul Birch of the Pistons grabbed Jack Molinas by the arm in the pregame huddle. Watch yourself with Gallatin, he said, said Coach Birch. He's big and tough. Stay away from him until you learn your way around the league. Okay. Molinas looked around, looked at Gallatin and replied,

Aw, don't worry, Skipper. I can take care of him. Skipper. Aw, gee golly, shucks, Skipper. I can take care of him. Skipper. Oh, gee golly shucks, Skipper. I got him. Don't worry. I'll have three guys break his leg outside later. I think he owes us a couple of bucks.

I know a few guys that don't like him. Yeah. Sticking to orders, Molina stayed out the outside and was apparently a good boy. A good boy a good boy but when he connected with two long set shots the cockiness of the six six six and a quarter Columbia alumnus showed himself he drove in and spun off Gallatin for a layup came back to score with a hook he began to come down with the ball in every rebounding scuffle that pitted him against the New York Tuffy pretty soon the coach inserted a substitute for Gallatin,

and Molinas walked to the sideline and yelled at his coach, What did I tell you? That's considered wisecracking back then. Yeah. What did I tell you? They said he's making himself known in professional basketball as the cockiest. That's cocky. The cockiest guy on the court goes, I think I can take care of him.

You cocky, arrogant bastard, you. Told you I had confidence in myself. Wow. That's a far cry from kicking somebody in the dick. Just for fun, I would love to just, I want time travel to exist for several reasons. Obviously, the Dahmer-Hitler paragon that we talked about there,

but i really just want to airdrop alan iverson into the league in 1953 just pluck him out from like 97 and go bloop and drop him into the league where that's considered cocky and have him go practice we're talking about practice that would be awesome just to watch some other shit he says. Anything he says. That would be amazing. They said he's pro basketball's answer to baseball's Billy Lowe's. And experts declare him to be the best rookie to break into the National Basketball Association since Bob Cousy came out of Holy Cross. Cousy? And Bob Cousy's a very large legend, too.

Yeah. He's everything. He's from Boston. That's a big guy here. He is the slickest. Itest hard to tell with this newspaper looks like it was folded here in the reproduction he's the suckest he's the slickest to emerge from the ivy league since that ancient group took up the winter sport invented by dr james a nasmyth molinas can burn up the boards if the game turns into one of those fire horse affairs.

Fire horse? What the fuck does that mean? What the fuck does that mean, sir? Fire horse. I can make neither hide nor hair nor mane of this. I don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

I want to know so bad. Should I look it? I want to know so bad. Should I look it? I want to know what a fire horse is. One of those fire horse affairs? Is that when you bang a girl who gives you gonorrhea? It's a fire horse affair. I don't know. The superstition is a woman born in the year of the fire horse?

What? I don't think we're going to get to the bottom of this. I don't think I'm going to get it. This is like 50s slang, I think, and we're not. I think you might be right. 50s reporter slang. It's a real fire horse out there. Yeah.

Long Island specific. It's something to do with probably barn burning or something, right? Yeah, fire horse, barn burners. It's got to be something to do with fire. Rapid and rangy, Molina's 21, his age, drops in set shots from the outside, drives through for layups, and can stay around

the key and rebound and hook. He is an accomplished ball-handled that's, I guess, handler, with quick hands that make up for the defensive deficiencies. He possesses all the moxie demanded of a guy who embarks on the money player's torturous 77-game schedule. Students of New York basketball claim Molinas ranks with Koozie, Adolph,

Shays, and Dick McGuire as the slickest to come out of the big town in the last 10 years. I guess it's New York. There's no question about where Molinas comes from once you get the load of him in street clothes. The black-haired youth wears the flashy root-or-bop-or-what-have-we type of duds. Root-or-bop-or-what-have-we type. That's what-have-we-type.

That's how it says. this is weird i guess it's uh fancy or yeah just a just a time yeah i think he's i think he's got like he's a peacock is what they're trying to say here because the next line is has taps on his shoes look at me you can hear me coming yeah oh yeah like chris moltisanti's guy in his screenplay in The Sopranos. Right. It's ridiculous. He's got some gold bolted to the front of his shoe. Wow, tap shoes he's got.

In the offseason, you see he works as a bartender at his parents' Coney Island saloon. Yeah, that's what he does. Molinas wants to inform his Bronx concourse friends that Fort Wayne is a fine town. The Indiana City likes him fine, too. He averaged more than 13 points a game for the first weeks, gave every indication he'll score more. Jack Molinas qualifies as a pre-dental student, was accepted by the Harvard School of Business, but figured he couldn't beat basketball and bartending. Yeah. Wow.

but figured he couldn't beat basketball and bartending. Wow. Now, 53, questions start to pop up about sudden lapses in play that he has here. Oh, sometimes he slacks off a little? Yeah, just out of nowhere here. It's very weird. I guess the Pistons and Celtics were playing, and early betting on Boston pushed the spread first to 3.5 points,

then to 6 points in favor of Boston, which a big jump like that says something's up. Um, and that made bookie stop taking action on the game because they thought the fix was in. So they wanted to stop. So the enthusiasm here, they said the enthusiasm seemed misplaced here for Boston is Fort Wayne jumped out to a good lead.

Molina said 18 points. But at halftime, they said a stranger, quote unquote, attempted to enter the Fort Wayne locker room to talk to Molinas. And when he was prevented from doing so, he left a note for Jack that simply stated, Joe sent me. That's apparently Joe Hacken, they think. That's the basketball Hacken, they think. Yeah. That's the basketball fixer there. In the second half of the game, Molina suddenly made mistake after mistake. He scored only two additional points, and basically he got pulled from the game because

he kept fucking up so bad. Yeah. So the Celtics ended up winning the game, a margin just large enough to cover the point spread. Oh. Because it was six. They won by seven eventually. Interesting.

So few people believe that the excuse, he said he got very little sleep after a night of partying and had just run out of gas at halftime. And nobody bought that, basically. Why didn't that guy send a note that says, a friend of ours sent me, or some shit like that? Why put a guy's name on it? Joe is pretty basic.

I mean, Joe could be anybody for Christ's sake. I guess it's pretty common, yeah. Joe could be Snoopy, Joe Cool. sent me or some shit like that why i put a guy's name on joe is pretty basic i mean joe yeah i guess it's pretty common yeah yeah joe is could be could be snoopy joe cool sounds like an alias yeah it sounds like it's not the real guy almost someone says their name's joe you're like really yeah for real dumars from 1987 yeah that's who it is it's joe dumars don't you know that do you know anything so uh the uh and after that new york bookmakers refused to take any bets on any game involving Fort Wayne. Because they thought it was being fixed. They didn't know where the fix was coming from, so they weren't accepting bets. Wow.

So, January 11th, 1954, he admits that he's been doing some betting. Jack does. He says he bet on Pistons games, but only to win. Okay. He pulled the Pete Rose here. Right. He suspended indefinitely from the Fort Wayne Pistons after admitting he'd been betting on his team's games. He said, quote, it's true that I bet on some of our games, less than a dozen, but I always bet on us to win.

I've never done anything dishonest in all my life. All your life? All your life. That's right. Yeah, that's what they said. He said that his betting was a, quote, a peanut operation. He said, maybe I made a couple of dollars. I'm not going to college.

Yeah, and he said he has no plans. He said they suspended me immediately. I don't know what to do. He said he said he has no plans. He said they've suspended me immediately. I don't know what to do. He said he's going to stick around Fort Wayne for a while. And the president of the NBA, Maurice Potiloff at the time, said that, quoted Molinas as saying he bet on games because, quote, he wanted a little extra change and didn't think it would amount to anything. That's what he told the commissioner. The league head said that Molinas, a rookie, was paid $9,600 per season,

and in addition he had received a $500 bonus for signing. So he made $10,100. He also quoted Molinas as saying no one else on the team was involved in the betting. It was just him. And Molinas is quoted as saying he received approximately 400 for the total times he bet which is yeah right um maybe maybe that maybe he's lost so much that he's only made 400 bucks yeah i don't think he's in on the fix i don't think he's losing a lot yeah i mean i'm sure he's losing on other things yeah he's a gambler

um they said molinas has been under investigation since uh the middle of december and when confronted with the evidence admitted an assigned statement that he had on numerous occasions called a connection in new york to obtain odds and points on games in which he was to play he further admitted that he had on many of these occasions placed bets on these games team officials said they didn't wish to give further details at this time they did that they did the old very silver maneuver of uh no details right now maybe this will blow nothing yet yeah so they said he wasn't accused of shaving any points or anything or attempting to throw any away any games only of betting okay so they said that he was, I guess he was rejected from the armed service a month before because

he had, at this point, they're measuring him at six foot six and one quarter inch. And the limit maximum height you could be at the time was six foot six. How about that? He's a quarter inch over the limit, so they wouldn't accept him into the armed forces. That's terrific. Yeah. So, I mean, yeah. So I'd love to go. forces. That's terrific. Yeah. So, I mean, yeah. So, I'd love to go.

I just, you know. Yeah. I just can't. So, yep. They said he was a candidate for the Rookie of the Year Award. He was named to the Western Division All-Star Team. Wow. He was doing fine, but nope.

He's the first player to be suspended on an accusation of gambling on NBA games in the eight seasons the league has operated. First one. First one. Two Indianapolis players who were barred by the NBA in 51-52 were charged with shaving points while playing with the University of Kentucky, but not on NBA games. So, yeah, I guess they said a newspaper man gave the tip first.

The Podoloff said that the first tip Molinas was betting on games came from Ike Gellis, who's a sports editor of the New York post who heard rumors to that effect. Oh, and then they informed the Fort Wayne club and then they hired detectives from New York and Fort Wayne to investigate it and all that shit. So January 12th, 1954, this is when stuff stuffy says he denies he ever bet on any columbia games even though we know that's not true right at all he said i have

nothing else to hide is what he said it couldn't do any harm for me to talk don't say that dude yep and nothing else to hide he said i have nothing to hide and i plan to go to new york in a day or so to straighten this thing out with the district attorney's office in the bronx i want to get it cleared that uh uh that cleared up as i never bet on a game while i played at columbia because now they're looking into it for like a criminal action yeah first point shaving at columbia he says his betting contact always was stanley stanky. He said, I used to play basketball with him in the schoolyard. Just a friend of mine. Not some big bookie organized crime guy.

Just some guy that I played ball with. Just a guy that I shot around with. A guy I played horse with. I've known him since we was this big. My ma and his ma know each other. It's not a big deal. Oh, boy. They used to play bridge on wednesdays

it's all right melina said the new york youth who handled his bets quote is just an ordinary guy and not the center of any gambling interest just some guy he hung out with he said all right yeah it's all right it's all right he said i called in all the bets to new york from my home here in fort wayne and he placed them for me i definitely bet on only games I thought we could win. I've never done anything dishonest in my life again. Oh my God. Which if you ever hear that, that's always a lie. Yeah.

I'm starting to hate when guys say things like, uh, I have nothing to hide because it turns out a lot of guys that say that have a lot to hide. A lot to hide. That's why they're saying that. Otherwise they just go, okay. Yeah. I have nothing to hide as a way to try to convince you not to look because right you have nothing to don't worry about it it's a way to act casual while subtly trying to get someone not to do that

here so um they said the harshness of the penalty imposed on molinas would likely frighten other players who've been associated with gamblers the public could be told that the problem was an unfortunate, but isolated incident at this point. Yep. So the press, he said, I don't think this will have any effect on professional basketball. It's simply an isolated case.

That's what the president of the league said here or whatever. He said, wow. They said the isolated conduct, the word isolated comes up pretty much in every statement he makes. Isolated, only, just him. One-off. Not a bad guy.

Yeah, one-off, fucking never happened again. Yeah. Alien thing happened here. Super weird. So, yeah, all of this shit, though, they said that, I mean, now he's kind of hanging in limbo because he's a good player and they'd like to have him back, but they'd also like him to, you know. Not be a dickhead? Not be a gambler and gamble on the game. If you can't trust a guy not to shake points, it's kind of difficult.

Don't compromise what's our fucking livelihood no so he scores 11.6 points and 7.1 rebounds a game that year in his rookie year in only 32 games he was playing 30 minutes a game doing everything and that is all he'll ever play in the nba is that right they joe jackson his ass just shipped him off sho Shoeless Joe his ass. Yep. We don't know you. Don't even talk about him. That's it. So he was selected for the All-Star game, actually, which is hilarious. And then he's kicked out forever.

He wouldn't play because by then he was kicked out. Yeah. Not part of the league. Yep. He made a lot of money because the average salary was between $4,000 and $5,000 then, and he was making $9,600. He's making $10,000. He's a top draft pick.

It was reported from an article later on, well later, like 2002, Molinas was making about $50,000 a week from his gambling and fixing basketball games. Holy shit. Which is just five times his yearly salary per week. Per week. It's hard to tell a guy not to do that and have him listen. He said, I didn't care about the money. I never did.

Gambling was action. Winning was glory. Money was just a way of keeping score. He said it again at that point. He's addicted. He's addicted to it. That's the thing. The raindrop theory we talked about a million times.

He's got a sickness. You could take all the sports away and they'll find those two bugs. Which one will fly off of there first? People will bet on fucking anything. It's the sickness of it. So that's a lot of money to be turning down. You can't. When people say, oh, these players make too much money.

Well, if they didn't, all of your dumb bets on FanDuel or whatever the fuck everybody's doing, you wouldn't be doing that because you wouldn't know the game was on the up and up because you'd be worried those guys were taking money if they weren't making the kind of money they're making they can't no one wants to risk a 60 million dollar contract they'd have to pay so much yeah so much where it would raise every red flag and you couldn't lay it off as much right no one's going to make a hundred million dollars gambling on no something and pay players off it's just not really feasible today. I guess you could do it with guys who make less money,

but the problem is the big money guys are the guys who have control of the game. They're the ones that are on the court the most, and they're on the court in the points of the game that the end of the game matters. You can't bribe a quarterback. The average salary for a starting quarterback is like $29 million a year. What the fuck? And they have a reimbursement. What are you going to bribe them with?

I'd really love to bribe Russell Wilson to fucking leave the NFL. To not play on the Broncos anymore? Stop doing this to my team, you son of a bitch. Listen, I'm a Giants fan. I don't even want to hear it. Oh, God. I don't even want to hear it. I don't want to hear it.

Damn it. We've had Daniel Jones doing it for longer, so I't even want to hear it. Oh, God. I don't even want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. Damn it. We've had Daniel Jones doing it for longer, so I don't want to hear it. It's so hard to go from that to this. Fuck. It's a mess. It's a real mess here. Oh, God. I hate him so much.

So somewhere around this time, he gets married to Jeannie King is her name. Jeannie May King goes by Jeannie King is her name. Jeannie Mae King goes by Jean. She'll end up being Jenny, I'm sorry, Jenny who goes by Jean. Oh, she doesn't go by Jen? She might go by Jenny and her name's Jean. I think that's what it is. There's a J in there.

Jenny Mae sounds better than Jean Mae. So it's Jenny Mae Molinas here she'll be at this point here. So he played in the Eastern Professional Basketball League at this point, which is later known as the CBA, the Continental, which every fuck-up that we've ever talked about in the NBA played on. The EPL. He averages 27 points per game there in 157 games. So he kills it there, but the NBA won't take him back no matter what.

No. It's over. You've ruined it. Not a question of whether he can play him back no matter what. No. It's over. You've ruined it. Not a question of whether he can play or not. That's been established. He can play. It just doesn't matter. It's a question of our fucking livelihood.

Yep. So he just, I mean, like anybody who's, you know, grew up around a bar and has been gambling for a long time and booted out of their main profession, he just goes and gets a law degree and becomes a lawyer at that point. What? Yeah, that's what he did. He left basketball and got a law degree. He's got a law degree.

Throw that together. I mean, he's a Columbia grad, so he's got that for him. I guess he's got that school done. All you got to do is get into law school and you can get it done. He went to law school and became a pretty successful lawyer, as a matter of fact. Unbelievable. But at this point point once he becomes a lawyer he starts seeking money from the nba because he's like hey you kicked me out and never

let me back in yeah and there's big money in that because connie hawkins there was a gambling thing with connie hawkins where they still don't think connie hawkins did anything but he got lumped in with other people who did do shit and he was not allowed to come into the nba for years he went to the aba and he was a great player i mean unbelievable when the nba finally let him in in the early 70s he got a huge contract from phoenix yeah and also sued the shit out of the nba and made a fuckload of money they had to pay him a ton of money millions of dollars because it was for like eight years of lost revenue and defamation of this and it was like all of these things here he is seeking in 1961 melinas is seeking three million dollars from the nba oh my god which is a lot of money back then yeah that's a lot so they said he wants to

own the fucking uh the bullets yeah you could buy a team easy for that kind of money back then yeah that's a lot so they said he wants to own the fucking uh the bullets yeah you could buy a team easy for that kind of money christ back then 61 fuck yeah you could buy three probably so he it says here in this what is this the lacrosse tribune this paper is it says the unique case of jack molinas versus the nba and our national basketball association came up in federal court today with the n NBA's reserve clause at stake. That's the other thing. All the sports had the reserve clause that baseball got rid of in the 70s. The case is a $3 million antitrust action brought by Molinas against the NBA.

So they said six years ago he was barred for betting on his games. He says, I'm ready for the trial. I think I have a very good chance of winning. games he says i'm ready for the trial i think i have a very good chance of winning so i guess he pleaded in his defense for columbia that he only bet on his team and he admitted he won about four hundred dollars in columbia he said you know he was making thousands thousands he said i only won about four hundred dollars and i paid taxes on that oh did you now reported it wow um now he's a lawyer and he wants the ban the nba ban lifted and is asking for $3 million in damage. He charged NBA president Maurice Potiloff and the eight teams in the league, down to eight now, with acting in restraint of trade, a violation of the antitrust law.

Yeah. He claims that because of the reserve clause, he's prohibited from dealing with any other team than the Pistons and that he's being boycotted and blacklisted in the NBA. He said Podoloff said we haven't denied him a living in any other league. Well, any other league doesn't make any money, though. Yeah. The only one that makes money is when you own the last. The last time he played in the Eastern League, he led the league with thirty seven point four points a game. Jesus fucking destroying shit. The last time he played in the Eastern League, he led the league with 37.4 points a game. Jesus.

Fucking destroying shit. So they said, should Molinas win, the NBA reserve clause would be meaningless. Any attempt to settle with him out of court, officials feel, would only encourage other players who've been barred to follow suit. We can show Jack Weinberg, his attorney, Molinas has said, we can show tremendous damages here. Lots of basketball players are waiting on this trial. You bet. So the Jack Malinas' suit, January 12th, 1961, his suit is dismissed. Oh?

Yep. It's all dismissed. So he gets nothing. He gets who gots. Yeah. He got nothing out of that. Yep. That's all there is.

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which in 2023 is $4,477.87 for a fucking calculator that is a feature that you have to look hard for on your phone when you need it it's so buried in shit that you don't even it's in a utilities folder where you're like no that's that's the level i don't want that there's the calculator okay for an app on your phone that you've never used

that is awesome four grand oh four grand almost four and a half grand so yeah february 22nd, 1961, according to this paper, he's been involved in a quote rumpus. Oh, yeah. This is the grump is rumpus. Yeah. Dick Gaines. Everybody's named Dick back there. Dick Gaines. Got some gains in my dick.

These pills are working. Was gained. It was fined $50 and suspended three games recently for attacking Hazleton's Jack Malinas, the top scorer. This is in the league. He's still playing in the Eastern League 10 years later. Last night, Jack was starting to pump in the points with regularity. Gaines got on his high horse and started a rumpus with Malinas. And Wally Choice jumped on top of the Hazleton player when he was on the floor

Dick Gaines started a rumpus is that right Dick Gaines got all up in that rumpus Jimmy Dick Gaines climbed up in that rumpus and tore that rumpus's ass up his name is Boner yeah Dick Gaines it's awesome disciplinedined by the Hawks here on March 18th, 1961. They led by nine points but wound up losing this game to Scranton. Jesus Christ. Scranton PA had a basketball team? Yeah, Eastern League here. They said that was after one game.

Molinas didn't play with the Hawks last night because of a disciplinary move by the club owners oh said he's you know he's suspended no one said why turns out he was suspended for gambling oh boy yeah he's gambling um and then during the 1960 61 season and caa season anyway college season uh a huge major gambling scandal breaks out uh-oh it involves 37 arrests of students from 22 different colleges this is a big big deal here molinas is a known associate here he is this is when he's implicated in the whole ccny 1951 gambling scandal what they made the documentaries about and all that shit. This is when it comes out that he was involved in that. How far after?

This is 10 years later. 1961. His partners in the bookmaking scheme were not only Joe Hacken, but Genevieve's fucking crime family future boss, Vincent the Chinchigante, the one who walked around New York City

in the bathrobe, trying to to act crazy but he was really banging like four broads around the city all together yeah that guy the chin back then when he was just he was an enforcer back then he was he wasn't even a boss he was like a captain he was a low-level guy in 20s yeah yeah so included in this are doug moe of unc tony jackson from John's, Roger Brown, who ended up in the – he was part of the Connie Hawkins mess. He ended up, I believe, in the ABA later on and a bunch of other students as well. They said that the great tragedy of the Molinus era was the Connie Hawkins, who was regarded as the 60s equivalent of Dr. J, as they say in this article, and I guess so. Here, Hawkins was a star at Brooklyn's Boy High when he met Jack Molinus. In the summer before he entered the University of Iowa, Hawkins was often in Molinus' Buick, driving him around.

Roger Brown, another local hoop star, was doing the driving with a girl in front and another in the back with Hawkins. It says here Hawkins and Brown received what they say, quote, favors from Molina's in their freshman seasons. Yeah. What was her name? Yeah, really. During the Christmas holidays of 61, Connie Hawkins was broke and he said he borrowed $250 from Molina's with the promise to repay, but neither enlisted others to throw games or promised to do so himself. So the principals, by the way, Molinas and Joe Hacken, would repeatedly insist that Hawkins had no participation or knowledge of any fixing games. But his association with Molinas was the reason why, during the scandal when it broke wow anybody who was lumped in with gamblers they just booted out of college out of everything and that was connie hawkins included

even though that poor guy nobody said he did anything there isn't even an accusation against him other than he hung out with molinus he was at my school every year to like give back to the kids thing i feel so bad for him What a sweetheart of a man he was. He was so nice to us all the time. Big fucking hands on that guy. He was a great player. I always make fun of you for your giant hands, but they were like four of your hands.

He's an insane great rebounder. He's incredible. He ended up in the ABA, and also Roger Brown ended up in the ABA. Wow. Yeah, it was a mess. The whole scandal actually broke out of an attempted and successful college football and basically pro football was what they were looking at here. And so I guess one guy who was a boyhood friend of Molina's tried to bribe a University of Florida fullback who informed his coach about it.

Hey, coach, can I take this money? Hey, guys, is this OK? Is this cool or what? What an idiot. Yeah. No, it's not cool. Just shut the fuck up and take the money. That's what they tell them to do, though.

If anybody ever approaches you, you got to approach a team official immediately. Soon as they walk away from you, you approach a team official. Otherwise, you're dirty. You didn't tell anybody about it so that's what they say um a few days later dave budden or budden a former brooklyn college player working for molinas tried to bribe a university of oregon halfback to throw a game against the university of michigan he's just sending people out trying to trying to do that a detective in district attorney Hogan's office tipped off Hacken, who tried to instruct, because it's all crooked back then, tried to instruct Wagman and Joe Green, a neighborhood pal of Molina's in the Bronx, to call the players and tell them to be calm. All of the players in the basketball fixes were contacted.

Connie Hawkins was not contacted, by the way. But in March of 61, Hacken and wagman were arrested and most most of the athletes have been alerted but all of them confessed and um but hacken didn't talk melinas though uh here is arrested on may 18th 1962 okay charged with quote heading a fix ring. Oh. Yep. The rest of him is, I guess, the charges that he headed a ring that corrupted college basketball or college games, including some played by North Carolina State College and University of South Carolina. Two of the games thrown were South Carolina Wake Forest contests.

The conspiracy involves 22 players at 12 colleges in an attempt to fix 25 contests. That's just what they have proof of, what they can charge with here. Malinas, an attorney, played professionally for a time but then was barred by the NBA. He pleaded innocent in general sessions and was released on bail. So that's what they're talking about. Yeah, he's charged with – there's another guy here charged with subornation of perjury sessions and was released on bail. So that's what they're talking about. Yeah, he's charged with, there's another guy here charged with subornation of perjury in connection with Reed's testimony. Three were charged in bribery, payments of $1,000 to William Dennis Reed of

New York, who played with Bowling Green and a couple other people. So Hogan said Molina's paid Reed to dump three games, two in December 59 and one in December 60. No charge was placed against Reed. I guess he's going to testify here. Wow, that's fucking wild. Bowling Green, the coach, commented that the $3,000 was money very poorly spent. They said because the coach said he, meaning the player, was never in a position to affect the team that much. The coach was like, he didn't have that control.

He paid the wrong guy. Yeah. He certainly never could be considered a star and played very little after his sophomore year. Ouch. This coach is like, and he sucked. Jesus, man. He's a crook and he sucks. Frankly, I don't think he could hurt the team that much.

Wow. Wow. Concerning the subornation count, Hogan said Malinas told Reed to deny a grand jury to a grand jury that he knew certain of the co-conspirators or that he ever accepted any bribe payments from Malinas or any co-conspirator. So shut the fuck up is what they said here. competitors uh which are frank cardone which is it's a name in my family that's pretty funny um alias frank carden cardemo uh morris uh hyelson aka mo hayson both described as pittsburgh gamblers david goldberg alias dave goldberg that's not really a bunch of an alias steve lycos there's st louis gamblers norman rosenthal aka lefty rosenthal you know that name yeah that's the guy from donnie barasco no no no that's not alleged chicago gambler uh-huh alleged chicago rosenthal think about that gambler from chicago

who moved out to vegas oh is that right and was played by robert de niro and casino that's where this came from remember in the beginning when they were talking about the scandals of the blah blah this is all part of it that was this is all this is all mixed together and jack molinas is the he's the point guy for all this because he's the only ex-athlete involved in all this so he's the he's the guy pretty fucking interesting right that is fucking wild um all these men hogan said aided in the financing of dumping deals dumping means throwing games the five together with paul walker we're throwing him in here too a new york truckman that's close well. Carmen, whatever, are under indictment in North Carolina, charged with bribing basketball players as a result of information furnished to our office, they said.

Wow. Also, Anthony DiCirante, alias Tony DiCi, alias Tony D, he's got two aliases. That's a good mobster there. That's a frightening man described as a former Chicago convict also Ralph Gigante which is Vincent's brother there a brother of Vincent the Chin Gigante once acquitted of the

shooting and wounding of Frank Costello yes he was acquitted Frank Costello who got shot in the barber shop there that's they missed him he has fuck there's a picture of him with the fucking with a towel on his ear towel on his ear that was chigante was involved in that wow so yeah um he's now serving seven years on a narcotics charge chigante at this point boy do they love

getting you when you're in the barber chair fuck that sucks you're the most you're so vulnerable and barbers stay out of everything they seem to shut the fuck up and walk away. I mean, that's what they do. I mean, you're basically all tied up and like you don't want to move because you got suds all over you. It's the least you move. Back then, out of anybody who wasn't like hardcore in

the mob, barbers knew more than anybody. Barbers and bartenders heard every fucking... They talk in front of their barbers. My grandfather was a fucking barber. sure people yip yapped in front of them all the time and when they're drinking fuck man that's like that's which was always so yeah yeah sitting there blabbing idiots so um that's they know a lot so molinas has been careful not to mention certain fixes it was hacken green and Wagman who made the fixes, with one exception. Molinas directly

bribed the Bowling Green player Billy Reid. Okay. So, 1962, May, Jack Molinas discussed integrity before indictment of cage fixing. Okay. The day before Nationwide College Basketball scandal first was disclosed by the

New York District Attorney's Office, Moline has traveled to Washington, D.C. to keep a public speaking date on basketball. Wow. There could be no doubt that he was an authority on the subject. He's obviously a great player. Great player. So they said the speech was about the integrity of basketball. Yeah.

said the the speech was about the integrity of basketball yeah they said if this wasn't ironic enough then jack's funny bone must have been tickled when he boarded his washington flight and recognized that a fellow passenger was a detective from hogan's office oh hey oh when molinas reached the function at which he was to speak he noted the same detective was in the audience oh shit clearly molinas wasn't a boring speaker the detective sat through molinas's complete talk as jack told the story sometime later his sense of humor bubbled over when the detective got me back to the office said molinas they all must have had a good laugh after his speech yeah yeah now that he's been indicted on three counts of bribery one of conspiracy and one of subornation of perjury jesus christ here um

there yeah he pleaded not guilty to these charges his attorney who said if he's found guilty oh he's an attorney if he's found guilty he can be disbarred as well oh shit so there's that um he said i'm fighting for nothing um oh that's his attorney said, quote, I'm fighting for nothing. Jack, that jerk, he's fighting for his life. That's his attorney that said that. Yeah. They said, quote, it's been a strange life, a near genius who admittedly was a big better and whose name one way or another gets mentioned with so many of the nine fixers guilty in the scandal that involved 67 games, 49 players, 25 colleges and 18 states. It grows. Oh, my God. And more people tell it was huge it was way bigger than that so they said just as melinas recognized the detective on

the plane he has known for more than a year and a half that the police have been tailing him and that his telephone may have been tapped in the extended investigation of the fixing holy shit so they just did a full court press on his ass. They talk about at one point, I guess they had talked about something. They said only a few weeks after the scandal broke, Malinas and this reporter spent several hours in a mid-Manhattan hotel discussing the police's knowledge of his movement. We talked about the many places police might have tied him into the scandal, the players with whom he allegedly was friendly or over-friendly,

his association with tons of gangsters and players that they talk about. He knew he was the Mr. X about whom I wrote a year ago, the so-called mastermind of what the DA termed the Malinas ring. He's got his own ring. That's not good. Wow. But so many of the gambling gentry had said you could chill a bottle of beer with his blood. He's cool.

Oh, ice cold. Cool as a cucumber. In the months which have passed since our original discussion, Malinas has been in phone contact with me every time a new phase of the scandal has broken. Each time he would say, quote quote they got nothing on me they got nothing sounds like they got a lot yeah uh once jack said that his only fear was the fear of being embarrassed because of his because he is an attorney he said he'd heard his name being bandied about town in the circles that would know about gambling and fixes and police investigations but he was concerned only that the bookies with whom he

had bet would probably be questioned and would reveal him as an inveterate better he's like listen i like to bet on games that's not you know yeah doesn't make me a degenerate i'm not i'm not a fucking degenerate gambler yeah right so what you like to take a drink i like to do this leave me alone yeah that's what he said he said he was big bettor, but bragged about how much he had won because he was in the peculiar position of still being a basketball player, able to compete with the best on their own level, knew likely fixers and was opportunistic enough to make the most of the information that came to him. Wow. Molina said, quote, he meaning the D.A. He won't bring me in for questioning, even if he knows what I know. I've done nothing to call for an indictment and he knows it.

Sure, he can get me on association. He can get me on implication if he wants to and embarrass me. But I'm in the. It's the implication. It's the implication. But I'm in the clear so far as an indictment or booking is concerned. If I'm arrested, I might even be able to sue for false arrest. Oh?

His attorney said, my client was shocked. Shocked. Like in a state of shock, his attorney said. He didn't think it would ever happen to him. Cold-blooded to the end. Yeah. Then Hacken they talked to, and Hackenen said cold-blooded nothing he's scared he was always scared he's always scared stiff okay is he scared is he cold melinas yeah he said

he's gonna flip and he's scared and they're they're worried about it and that's why he's talking like that a couple of years ago there was a story around the fact that he was marked for death, Jack was. Big-time gamblers he had a falling out with. As the rumor went, Jack had a, quote, mortal lock on one game. He was said to make both sides of a game, but bet the side he wanted without letting some of his backers in on the news. You can't do that. No. some of his backers in on the news you can't do that no yeah he said yeah he was supposed to bet it one way but he hedged him and tried to make he tried to make a little try to make both sides

happy yeah well he tried to make a little extra money for himself right and and yeah that's how it was so apparently they were a little bit pissed off about that which makes fucking he's manipulating their money sure said originally according to the rumor the plan was to murder him but the strong arms thought better of it and just decided to teach him a lesson and broke his hand oh shit yeah then he said on may 1st i heard another version it was simply that jack had touted certain hard parties onto what he told them uh was a certain winner but the game didn't come out the way he said it would. So he told them, I got a hot tip and it didn't work.

They bet $10,000 for themselves, something for Molinas, but when it backfired, they had him beat up. The reporter says, Molinas and I discussed the first version of the story sometime back. At first, he laughed off the report. Eventually, he conceded that two years ago, he did suffer a broken little finger on his left hand.

Interesting. Weird. He said that he made a bet, a large one, on a game. He won the bet and went to collect his winnings. He was paid the money and then was made the victim of what he called a setup. At first, reluctant to discuss the episode, he finally said that he was

set upon and heisted. He said, quote, I thought I could get away from them with my money, but one of them hit me with something and the pinky was fractured. So he just got mugged here, that's all. When the DA broke the extent of the indictment against Malinas, it was more than a little finger being broken. He said, besides being charged in the bribery count with three $1,000 payments to read to dump games, subordination of perjury and all that kind of shit, now we're

up to 11 co-conspirators, 72 overt acts relating to meetings of co-conspirators and players, and yeah, there's more players involved now and all sorts of colleges shit comes around this is a huge deal here so they said um uh here's the albuquerque journal november 28th 1962 oh we all know that one ex-college of the pacific star testifies in molina's bribe case here. A former star

testified of the meeting a fixer named Frank who told him he'd be rolling in money. This is a 24-year-old guy now, Gary Kaufman, who played for the University of Pacific. He took the stand.

He testified that Molina's took him and a teammate to dinner with a guy named Frank, whom he did not further identify in San Francisco. He said Frank gave him $200 and remarked, you boys will be rolling in money. Nobody ever gets caught. And I never want to talk about that man ever again. He was very scary. Very scary. Frank then told Kaufman and Wright from that point on they would do all their dealings through Molinas.

Frank then told Kaufman and Wright from that point on they would do all their dealings through Molinas. When Kaufman went to the district attorney, he had a recording device installed in the basement of his home. It recorded a conversation he had with Molinas in which the latter allegedly said that the higher ups in the fixes never are implicated. Like, you shut the fuck up. Molinas said, you notice nobody's implicated them yet. They talk about it and most of the players know about them but the people that know them that dealt with them they wouldn't implicate these guys no yeah it continued kaufman said you mean the higher-ups and he said quote they'll get shot they'll get killed i'm not kidding yeah yeah yeah kaufman said they're really that type of guys. Those guys would kill him. And Molina said, that's right. Yeah. Stop talking about it. Jesus Christ. They said, yeah, you know what crew this was. I'll tell you now. I'll tell you because if you repeat it, it's your and Kaufman said it's the old Capone mob from Chicago.

and then Kaufman asked Molinas about Frank. He said, you mean the guy I met is the type of guy that could kill me? And Molinas said, that's right. He has a manslaughter rap against him from what I understand, and I'm telling you to forget about them. Even if you had mentioned that you'd met someone else, don't ever identify them. Interesting.

So, yeah, he said that Molinas had lost $40,000 to $60,000 on one game, which was played here, and that was, I guess, what got Molinas in trouble possibly with the mob. December 1st, 1962. A guy who got a briber says that Molinas was not involved at all. Oh? Yeah, no, this is not even a little bit. Joseph Panzer testified Molinas attended at least one conference he had with Wagman in city prison in 1961 when Malinas was representing Wagman, who had admitted bribing college basketball players. Panzer testified at Malinas' trial and said that Wagman told him the district attorney's office is trying to get Malinas into this college basketball scandal picture.

So he said he asked Wagman, are you sure Molina's had nothing to do with this? And he said, I'm positive about it. So, you know, obviously it's all good. Definitely not him. Definitely not him. Now, let's say this is a lot. Let's say you get done with your trial. It's been a long day.

Oh, my God. It's been a long day in court. A lot of mob guys to think about, players, places. My stomach hurts. Yeah, I think it's time to settle down let's just go see a movie what do you say let's see if we can sit and relax well apparently jujubees yeah and tonight what's playing in 1962 if you happen to be around is for the first time it says ever this movie's playing the private life of dot dot dot, dot Hitler. What?

It gets funnier. Okay. Oh, my God. On this ad is a picture of Hitler smacking a woman. He has smacked her. He's done. She's like, oh, like her face has just been smacked. And he's got this look like, yo, fucking.

And it says in quotes coming out of his mouth, I can do what I want with you. He's a rapist. Yeah. Hitler is like, how can we make Hitler worse? It's hard. I don't know. Make him a rapist, too. Fuck it.

Right. Make him rape the undeserved. Let's do it. Yeah. Not make him like an asexual weirdo. Just a fucking like in reality make him a rapist i can do what i want with you hitler full of sexual energy it's just just sex tension 98 minutes of it fucking amazing for the first time the prime and i think it's an adult picture really i think it's like yeah adult entertainment Really? I think it's like, yeah, adult entertainment, it says.

Like a porno. Yeah, I think it's like the 1962 version of a porno. Jesus. Back then. So, yeah, that's what you get. You want to go see Hitler raping chicks? Is that who you want to get off on? Arrest every person that buys a ticket.

Who gets off on that? Not only do they want to see rape, they want to see Hitler doing it. Yeah, that's better. Arrest those people. All of them. Every single one of them. Charges. Fucking charges.

Holy fuck. So, let's see. Connie Hawkins, who was wrongfully put into this whole thing here, Hacken denied telling Budden that Hawkins had influenced the outcome of games. He went to great lengths to clear Hawkins' name from jail in 1965. Hackens sent a note to a New York Post writer that Hawkins was innocent. In 1969, from another New York state prison, he signed an affidavit for Hawkins' lawyers stating that he knew no conspiracies connecting Hawkins to fixed games. He said that Hawkins suffered disproportionately for taking Malinas' $250 and not doing anything illegal.

It took his lawyers six years to get him to the ABA. Unbelievable. Yeah. They said, quote, Connie was totally uneducated in high school. It was his lawyer. It wasn't until last year that a teacher took enough interest in him to help him. The only thing in the world he knew was basketball. He used to go to the playgrounds where he met Jack Molinas. Molinas at the time was a lawyer and also coach of a team in the Eastern League. Connie to this day said he

did not know that Molinas had played in the NBA. This was one of the most difficult things I had to believe. Molinas was one of the few affluent white people Connie had ever met. He said on a number of occasions, Molinas told him anything I can do for you. Let me know. I like to help young ballplayers. He ate with Molinas on one or two occasions. One day, Molinas invited him and Roger Brown and talked to talk to Hackham there or Hackham. Hackham started talking about basketball, about players Connie knew. Would you introduce me to them? Hackham asked Hacken. Hacken started talking about basketball about players Connie knew. Would you introduce me to them, Hacken asked.

Sure, Connie told him. Connie was being recruited at the time. Hundreds of recruiters had asked him the same questions. He always said sure, but in fact never introduced any players. If somebody older asked you something, you'd go, yeah, sure. Whatever you want. Connie remembers

that before leaving the office, he and Brown received $10 each for expenses to go to Long Island that night for a tournament. sure sure whatever you want uh connie remembers that before leaving the office he and brown received ten dollars each for expenses to go to long island that night for a tournament that's that's what they gave so they were given 10 bucks and that's that's their fucking that ruined their career over it that's pretty much that in 250 well he said in the fall connie entered iowa he had a job there and before coming home for Christmas, his employer gave him money for tuition for the next semester because Connie's grades wouldn't permit him

to keep his scholarship. He had tuition money. Quote, Connie blew $200 at home, either playing cards or giving it to his friends. He went to his brother to borrow money. His brother didn't have it. Connie went to the holiday festival at Madison Square Garden and went out to get a hot dog between games.

He ran into Malinas, who took him to a hamburger joint a few miles away. Later, Hacken came in and asked Connie to call another ballplayer on the phone. Connie did, but nobody was home. Malinas told Connie, I'm not going back to the game. Here's $5. Take a cab back. Connie later called Malinas and asked to borrow $200. And said Malinas said, you understand this is a loan,

right? And a month later, Connie's brother gave him the money and Molinas paid it back to Molinas. So that's how it went. That's the whole crux of Connie Hawkins' gambling scandal. Wow. Which is kind of

ridiculous here. Ruined his whole life over it. Yeah. Wow. Which is kind of ridiculous here. Ruined his whole life over it. Yeah. Other players that were blemished here were St. John star Tony Jackson, who failed to report a bribe offer. That's a charge. If you fail to report the bribe offer, they kick you out. Which he considered a joke. He didn't think the guy was serious.

And North Carolina star Doug Moe, who also played in the ABA, North Carolina star Doug Moe, who also played in the ABA, who received $75 from Wagman to fly to a meeting in New Jersey arranged by Moe's friend Lou Brown. Moe had turned down the offer to throw games. Maybe that guy wants it. I don't know. St. Joseph's University was stripped of its third place finish in the 61 NCAA tournament. Wow. Paul Tagliabue. Remember him?

What? Yeah. NFL commissioner for a long time. Unknowingly played in a fixed game and as a result became ardently anti-gambling as the NFL's future commissioner, which now has 45 gambling commercials every fucking time there's a goddamn punt. It's 45 different fucking times, ways to tell you to gamble on the fucking game. It's hilarious.

Unbelievable. It was several years before Jackson and Moe, who were never involved in fixed conspiracies, could reach the ABA. They were lumped into that as well. It was a lot. January 9th, 1963. Jesus here. Jack is convicted in his basketball fix.

Really? He faces jail sentence of up to 35 years. Holy shit. Jack is convicted in his basketball fix. Really? He faces jail sentence of up to 35 years. Holy shit. Sorry, 36 years. For gambling? Because it's a bunch of conspiracy shit. Found guilty of five charges, unable to post bail, and he's stuck in jail.

Unbelievable. Attorneys say they planned an appeal for him after this, and he'll appeal a lot. He's facing a prison sentence of 36 years and fines totaling $35,500. That was a shitload of money back then. A jury of eight men and four women debated for more than eight hours Tuesday night before finding him guilty on three charges of

bribing a college basketball player, one count of conspiring to bribe players in about 25 games, and one count of attempting to get a college player to commit perjury. So all charges, pretty much. Judge Joseph A. Serafite set February 11th for sentencing and increased Malinas' bail from $5,000 to $25,000. He couldn't afford the five. Wants to keep him in.

He's unable to post increased bail and was sent to jail. So he faces 10 years and $10,000 on each of the bribery charges, one year and $500 on the conspiracy charge, and five years and $5,000 on the perjury charge. Jesus Christ. That's a lot. He said, quote, first I went to preliminary detention at Sing Sing. That's what he said. Oh, boy. The first day I was there, a little Puerto Rican guy came up to me, and he was sky high on something.

He said, hey, you too big, man. You too big. And then he swung at me. Too buku. Too buku. He went, no love you long time. Yeah. He said, and then he swung at me. Tubuku. Tubuku. Tubuku. He went, no love you long time. Yeah. He said, and then he swung at me.

Both of us landed in solitary. Wow. We're going to fight right away here. Day one. Yep. He said, in solitary, he said, quote, there's nothing but four bare walls, a can and a blanket that they throw in at night and take away in the morning. There are no windows.

You love that blanket because it's your mattress and your pillow too, and because it's the only thing you have left that they can take away from you, you survive by taking out your mind and playing with it. Jesus, taking out your mind and playing with it? Yeah. Released from solitary, he quickly became

the leading bookmaker in Sing Sing. Is that right? Yep. He said, they had a book when I got there. He was booking baseball bets. The only way you could get the scores was to listen to your radio at 1130 at night when you were back in your cell. Wives and girlfriends would come up for visits to visit the prisoners, and there were certain gifts you were allowed to give them.

One thing was a pigeon, which the prisoners were allowed to raise. So I got with one guy who had raised a homing pigeon and laid an idea on him. The next time his wife came up, he told her about the idea and gave her the pigeon. She went back to New York City and listened to the Mets game on the radio the next day and attached the score to the pigeon and let it loose. It got back to my friend in plenty of time. By 1130, I had cleaned the book out of every cigarette I had. What?

Every cigarette he had. So, yeah, he fucking. He beat him by homing pigeon. He knew the scores first. Yeah. Unbelievable. He could bet before anybody else would bet because they didn't know the scores. They didn't think anybody could get it.

So, six months after his transfer to Attica. Oh, boy. He stayed in the worst ones. Oh, yeah. He got bad ones. I mean, there wasn't a ton of them. There was Dannemora. There was a bunch back then, but not like there's way more prisoners now.

Sing Sing and Attica are like two of the worst ever, though. Well, they're just far away from each other, too. Sing Sing is down by the city. It's in Oxening. Yeah, but they're storied for being holy pieces of shit yeah shitty but i mean like at least in sing sing if you if you're from new york city people can visit you if you're an addict that is fucking hours away out in the sticks yeah no one's can no one can really come see you there uh when he got there his bookmaking operations came to an end he said an an officer, he said this, an officer of the New York penal system found out that I have a very good reputation as a financial advisor aside from sports and gambling.

All of a sudden, I'm transferred back to the tombs, which is the shit old jails in Manhattan there. Yeah. The tombs is located in New York City, a short limousine drive to the financial district. drive to the financial district as a prisoner of the tombs he was released from jail twice a week and picked up by limousine he claims and transported to wall street there to handle his benefactors interests on the stock exchange get the fuck out he said i this i don't doubt this back then though i really don't they sent him to wall street to make money for these people to make money for the guy yeah for, for the warden or whatever. Yeah.

Wow. He said, I was handling $2.5 million in funds, and I was doing it for a very high official of the criminal justice system. He did very nicely, and I became a very rich man by tomb standards. By those standards, I was the equivalent of a millionaire. Only it was in cigarettes, which are the currency there. Is he the guy from fucking Shawshank? It's, dude, I think a lot of things. Is he the inspiration for it?

I think there's a lot of things that he is at his store. Because he's like the center. Of so many stories. Where so many stories come off of him. It's wild. He said, there were other benefits when the man who had the limousine, when the man who had the limousine sent was making money and happy. Sometimes I would pick up a date the next afternoon in a chauffeur driven limousines. They put a girl in there for him, too.

That's fucking hilarious. He's like the the the Forrest Gump of sports gambling and and and the middle of fucking Wall Street gambling and all that. All this fucking everything. Financial crimes. He's the Forrest Gump of financial crimes. Mafia shit. Stuff that's been in tons of different movies. Yeah.

February 12th, 1963. Molinas is sentenced here for his, he's accused of being the master fixer, the judge says. And he is sentenced to, here we go. Well, first the judge called him a completely amoral person yeah which is not what you want to hear uh he said the warden gave me blow jobs guys yeah listen guys um he's called the master fixer um he said quote molinas was the prime mover of the conspiracy the person most responsible the judge said that's not good he says you sir may fuck off 10 to 15 years in prison that's a long time that's a fucking long time in prison that really is gambling for gambling uh seven and a half to eight years for hacken here um three to

five years for aaron wagman and two and a half years for Philip LaCourte. So there you go. Joseph Green also pleaded guilty. Okay. And he was postponed the request to the cell. He's got a psychiatric problem here. This other guy. Okay. Not Jack. April 11th 1963. He's

out of jail for review of conviction. He appeals the sentence and conviction and they actually let him out on bail pending the appeal. That was nice. Awfully fucking kind of them there. Yeah, he's released in $35,000 bail on a certificate of reasonable doubt that was issued. But his freedom when he was met at the gate by Wyoming County authorities who detained him on a warrant from North Carolina. The latest warrant is issued by the sheriff's department in Raleigh charges him with fraudulently attempting to fix an athletic contest between North Carolina State and Wake Forest.

He was freed again, this time in five thousand dollars bail. And he's pending a hearing there. So he's also now got to go back to jail for a while here. He's settling in. May 3, 1963, headline, Jack Molinas, number 18896. Yeah. He said that the thought that stayed with Jack Molinas was what comes next? The jail doors of the Attica State Prison had shut behind him and suddenly the whole thing had become too real. He was just an inmate, just as Willie Sutton, who was also in cell block

A. You get that cold, sobering feeling as though you'd been drenched with ice water. It slows you up. It makes you think. I looked through the bars and said to myself, what am I doing here? I don't belong here. What am I doing here? He said, at the age of 31, I'm completely settling down. Well, you have no choice. You're in prison. Yeah, where are you going to go? He said, I've come a complete cycle, student, professional, athlete, lawyer,

and now I hope I can become a businessman. They say three strikes are out, and I've had two as an athlete and lawyer. We'll see. We'll see. Wow. They said, anybody sitting with Molinas as I did at lunch would have seen nothing but an unusually tall man, sallow-faced and neatly dressed, who naturally enough would not discuss the charges under which he was convicted as a felon. Yeah, lawyer fucked me.

That's normal. He said, I'm trying to live a normal life. I'm helping to prepare my case. I'm setting up an organization to go into business, a steam cleaning machine, which will clean, press, and deodorize up to a dozen garments in 10 minutes for 50 cents. He's selling us a steam cleaner now. The fuck is going on here? Yeah. Okay.

Let me tell you about martinizing. Like, what the fuck is about the only thing I can do is get married now with this thing hanging over my only thing I can't do is get married now with this thing hanging over my head. The only thing I can't do is get married now with this thing hanging over my head. My girl wants to get married. She stood by me. I want to, but I guess I can't until it's settled. I guess the high point during the time I was in prison, now this is when he's out waiting, whatever, was when my girl came to visit me. Did you know her father and mine signed my bond? They must think something of me.

Yeah. Wow. He said, when I first got there, the deputy warden told me to avoid doing formal legal work for any inmate. He said, don't ask me why. That's the rule. But when you're in the yard for two hours a day or all day, and if you want to on Saturday and Sunday, they come to you and ask for advice. They know he's a all day and if you want to on saturday and sunday they

come to you and ask for advice they know he's a lawyer yeah you don't want to offend the inmates and you can't offend the administration you find a happy medium yeah so he's got to kind of help these guys uh willie sutton the bank robbers in there really and he said the talk around the prison which is full of jailhouse lawyers is that sut Sutton knows as much law as most attorneys. He works in the laundry, but he has his own library of law books. Law is his hobby. When anybody has a legal problem, they go talk to him. He's kind of a celebrity behind the walls, and he says, nobody's a celebrity in jail.

But I was amazed by his personality. He's shy, not boisterous at all. He's a scholar, self-taught. He's Andy Dufresne. Yeah, he's talking about willie sutton now oh okay yeah willie sutton's andy defrain now i guess yes i guess so he's a scholar self-taught he was a respected inmate but just another inmate he said that um the he thought he was just another inmate but then the saturday evening post posted articles on basketball gambling

and recruiting shortly after he arrived at Attica. And people were yelling out, hey, Jack, is this you in the magazine? And he'd say, I don't know. I didn't read it. I didn't read it. He said, pass the magazine over and let me see. He said, they don't usually kid around in state prison. But I guess that article got a rise out of them.

They knew it was me, but they were joking. So I guess he got some joke out of them. They knew it was me, but they were joking. So I guess he got some joke out of them. I guess he was working. He said in the tailor shop, the pay was five cents a day. Jesus Christ. And you must pay a save two and a half cents of that. That means to write a letter, you must work for two days. For two weeks, I was not allowed to go to the commissary.

I've been given a carton of cigarettes by the chaplain. I told him I didn't smoke cigarettes. I wanted to know what they were for. So, yeah. He said he liked to smoke cigars, not cigarettes. Okay. But now he's smoking a pipe. Cigars are too expensive in there. Okay. So he's smoking a pipe. The cigars are too expensive in there. So he's got a pipe.

In Attica, apparently, and this is what was said by the writers, he is the inspiration for the Burt Reynolds film The Longest Yard, which then was remade later on. This guy is like in the middle of everything. He is the spoke of history, this guy is. Unreal. The spoke of history this guy is. Unreal. The spoke of sports criminal history. He's been at the forefront of casino, at the forefront of the longest yard, the forefront of fucking. Mob shit, of sports shit, of gambling shit, of pop culture shit.

He's everywhere. Crazy. This is insane. And nobody's done a story about this man's life? And while all that was going on, Hitler's raping chicks. Right. Yeah, smacking them. I'll do what I want with you.

J. Edgar Hoover's dressing like a gal? This is crazy. Wait till you see what he does from here. This Jack, you think he surprised you all he can. Not even fucking close. Wait till you hear. August 18th, 1963. He's granted a stay. So he's allowed to stay out while they figure out what's going on here okay just that's what's

going on september 11th 1963 appeals court reserves decision on request of jack molina so they're trying to figure out what to do with him they say we're not going to say right now september 13th 1963 they deny jack Molina's stay of extradition. That's for North Carolina. Okay. So he's got to go to North Carolina and face those charges as well now. So that's kind of another problem. November 1st, 63.

They order him back to Carolina here. So he goes back to Carolina. He was convicted of bribery already, as we know. He released from Attica to go deal with all this shit and to do his appeal. November 27th, 1963, he's charged with basketball fixes and placed in jail in North Carolina. Yeah. So he's there. His bond is set at $10,000.

I think he's going to get out on that. He's already got a shitload in jail or a shitload out there in bail. Also that year, also that day, December 5th, 1963 here, his trial is set for January 6th down in Raleigh. And he's got charged with bribery for rigged basketball games. So June 7th. But we can't find anything on the trial of January 6th. We don't know what happened down in North Carolina. Doesn't matter because that's the smaller one.

June 17th, 1964, his conviction is upheld by the appellate division of the New York State Supreme Court. So he has to stay. His conviction in Nework is upheld that he has been fighting for a couple years now um yeah they said so um they said that uh the considered molinas's sentence of 10 to 15 years unnecessarily uh excessive and added were it not for the other related matters the court would be inclined to modify the sentence but they're not going to because he's a genuine a lot of shit yeah he did a lot of shit to earn it yeah it's not one charge that he got a big thing on there's multiple charges this is racketeering and he's been doing this for a long

long time and trying to get people to perjure themselves in their courts they don't like that generally the judges get pissy when you tell people to go lie in front of them right lie to this judge's face they hate that they just hate that fans of it yeah july 11th 1964 um he surrenders to begin his prison term here a 10 to 15 year prison term wow he's got to surrender yep that's it um completely amoral and everything else here he is in jail again this is unbelievable i can't believe this story's real it's fucking real i didn't make any of this one up, I promise. Wow.

This is fucking real as shit. Did all this shit. JFK was just assassinated six months ago. Yeah, that was. This is unbelievable. That was November of 63. Right. Which was right.

Jesus Christ. I'm going to look at the one day. That's when he was sent. Maybe the same day. December 5th. Yeah, December 5th. What is this? He was November 27 27th 1963 five

days after jfk is charged placed in jail in north carolina wow that whole it was a busy month for him he's like sure who got shot where now who's that uh so yeah he's got to begin his term and um the other guys are still in jail november 10th 1964 somehow here he had been obviously serving his term he goes to the state supreme court and um the same guy who grant who sentenced him, which is weird, fucking reduces his sentence. Is he on the Supreme Court now? Yeah, yeah. And now he's the guy who sentenced him, though, to this. And now he's reducing it to seven to 12 and a half years in prison,

which is a big difference, actually. He thought better of it. He thought better of it, I guess. He also reduced the terms of the two men sentenced with him, Joseph Green and Joe Hacken as well really yeah very weird he's still appealing though march 2nd 65 here the uh he's convicted he uh a high court the supreme court says they don't want to hear any more about him basically we don't want we don't want to talk to you but then october 1365 he is granted he's serving a five to seven and a half year sentence by this time and the new york

state's court of appeals in the u.s supreme court refused to hear a shit but now the judge harold p rourke of the u.s district court will hear it. So he appeals his conviction, December 14, 1965, to the U.S. District Court. And he's like, just let me out early, please. Yeah. March 9, 1966. This is fun. Harold P. Burke University, or not university, it's U.S. District Court, rejected the petition by Jack that his constitutional rights were violated and he was charged with the fix and all that kind of shit.

His conviction has been upheld now. His latest petition contended the introduction of a tape recorded conversation as evidence at his trial and a five week interruption of the trial due to a judge's illness infringed upon his constitutional rights. He also said the interruption warranted a mistrial. This judge ruled that the statements obtained from the recorded conversations did not infringe upon his rights, and the five-week interruption in his trial did not warrant a mistrial. So, tough shit. September 3rd, 1966. Here.

Okay. Harness fixes were known in New York jail. Harness. Say again. Harness fixes, harness racing. Oh, horses.

Yeah. So it says secrets of the alleged fixing of harness races at the three major raceways were known behind prison and walls as well as among conspirators on the outside. It was learned yesterday from a source close to the scandal. Jack Molinas, who's been in prison for more than two years for fixing college games has been giving information about the current horse race scandal that fits in surprisingly well with what has been learned by outside sources he's talking he's singing he's singing over here um wow he's

going to talk about it i don't care about harness racing scandals, but he's in trouble. That's the bottom line. February 4th, 1967, he appeals his conviction again. Really? He is just an appealing son of a bitch here. Why, man? Just do the time. You're almost done. He's a lawyer, though. Think about it.

If you're a lawyer and you're sitting in prison, you're just like, well, I'll just keep filing papers. Fuck it. This is what I do. I don't want to lose. Yeah. In his appeal, he said that Reed, who retained him as an attorney, was coerced by the Manhattan District Attorney into cooperating with prosecutors and being outfitted with an electronic recorder. So he's still doing that. He said that this deprived him of the right to be warned he could remain silent.

So this was that is what they're violating. That's the state. You not whatever. Not reading your rights. This is before it was, you know, if they were investigating you, they could just bring in electronic shit. Yeah. You know, I mean, yeah. I mean, if you if you if you're just talking near and that's how they're trying to get around.

Yeah. You're talking there and recording device that's on you. But you also have to have a warrant for this. Now, you can't just have an informant wear a wire and then use it like they have to have a warrant for well they have to have an investigation there's paperwork that goes with not just a warrant there's different things that go with it you're placing the recording device in their vicinity you're not just setting it on the street hoping they walks by that's why that's why you're it's it's specifically for him yeah it's not like he has a recording studio and the guy came in to see him and he was like oh what's going on now and the

mics are hot you know what i mean he's going to sit closer to that mic just sit right there yeah if you just sit down and exit pull up a little closer just just right you know what diaphragm you know how to do that just from from down here let's really hear you march 28 1967 they deny him a new hearing okay they said he was not unconstitutionally trapped with a listening device so fuck off um 1968 roger brown said quote that's one of the guys who was implicated early right be an aba player i ran around with melinas when i was going to wingate high school in brooklyn but i didn't know he was a gambler. Yes, I took money from him. Have you ever had someone buy you something to eat? That's what Malinas did.

He took me and Connie Hawkins and the other fellas to food stands at Coney Island and other places. Want a hot dog? They said I took $250. That's a lie. It was around $70, but they still printed $250. I guess they did that to make themselves look better. I feel Connie and I were made examples of. Yeah. Um, Molina's though said, I still don't think I did anything wrong. I was never arrested or, and I, oh, this is Roger Brown. I was never arrested

or indicted. Um, only named it an indictment. I should have taken a lawyer with me to New York, but I had nothing to hide and didn't feel I needed a lawyer. $10, $15 was a lot of money to a kid not working. I didn't care who Molinas was. He was giving me food money, and if I had to do over, I'd probably do the same thing. I would say so here. 68, Molinas is said to have contacts with mobster Thomas Aboli, who will eventually become the acting boss of the Genovese crime family in the early 70s here. June 6, 1969, paroled.

Really? Early? He is paroled, yes. He absolutely is paroled and ready to fucking roll. He said, quote, I was paroled after four years, which sounds good, except if you realize that a prison sentence of any kind for a first offender on a nonviolent crime is virtually unheard of. Not anymore, Jack. No.

Free drugs it was. Yeah. Yeah, because they go, well, he's not hurting anybody. Who cares? Don't put him away. He's hurting himself, right. There were some things working against me, though. I was one of the very few people involved to turn down a deal to turn state's evidence, for one thing.

For another, there was a great deal of publicity about the case, but probably the biggest thing was that I was a practicing attorney and an officer of the court. Maybe that made the sentence fair, but if I served four years because I was a lawyer, then what should Spiro Agnew have gotten when he was convicted? I'll tell you what.

Life. That's Nixon's vice president who had to resign. With weekends in the electric chair jesus oh my god life electric chair only on the weekends but i'm not trying to say i was innocent i wasn't i was guilty i get what he's saying he said if they're saying i took advantage of the heist place in society what about the fucking vice president what did he do he had even more all these other worse people doing white white collar crime i was just a lawyer right so january 19th 1979 this is fucking amazing oh my god he's arrested on a charge guess what charge

do you i no no no that's not fun wife no no no no, no. He's arrested on a charge of dressing like Hitler and sexually assaulting him. He's arrested on a charge of shipping pornographic films interstate. I forgot that that used to be illegal. Oh, yeah. Held by the FBI on 10,000 miles of bond. Yep. Apparently, he was arrested with D david christian who's a television actor okay both are to appear in u.s district court in memphis tennessee the two were

arrested and arraigned tuesday after memphis federal grand jury indicted them on charges of shipping pornographic films from los angeles to memphis on two occasions in 1972 don't you ship pussy into the bible belt these poor guys just waiting on the shipment so they can whack it imagine that sitting around like a coke head waiting for the guy to call you back and instead you're fucking waiting to whack it it's a lot of blue balls in memphis he said he got the big titty tat i want to see them big titty they're like film strips back then too too. They weren't like VHSs. You got like films. Wacking in Memphis.

Wacking in Memphis. That's the working title. That's the working title of Walking in Memphis. Yeah. It's the best one. Wacking in Memphis. Tell me, are you a Christian boy boy ma'am i'm not tonight i am tugging tonight i'm walking with my dick 10 feet off the ground

that's the one that song bores the shit out of me by the way i love that song i can't get enough of it you don't like it i don't like it no it's one of the songs when i was a kid i was like could you get any more pussy soft shit i was like this sing it whacking in memphis james it gets better it's funnier that way i had older cousins that in like an aunt that would like be like here's like listen to this so i was like that you don't like that shit like i didn't get to you know what i mean they were giving me like shit you don't like to your teenager so i was like fucking thought i was cool fuck whacking in memphis man fuck him fuck hornsby fuck the whole range bitch i don't care

i think it was i don't fucking know no it wasn't it was some other guy who i think it was a one-hit one yeah horns horns be sings uh mandolin rain yeah i think it's a one-hit wonder if i'm not mistaken uh you might be right his name is mark something or some shit oh you're absolutely right with a c C, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it is. Let me see. Walking in. Yeah, I think it's Mark something. Mark Cone with a C. There we go.

I was right. Yeah. Yes. Mark Cone. Mark with a C. Cone with a C. That's weird. Mark Cone.

Yeah, that's very popular in Memphis down there. A lot of Cs. A lot of cones running around Memphis. Yeah, yeah. They in Memphis down there. A lot of C's. A lot of cones running around Memphis. Yeah. They love them down there. They also try to get rid of the K's everywhere, though. I just put a C on the end of that. Well, yes.

They save up all their K's for other things. I'm running Memphis. Mark Cohn's real name had a couple of k's in it i'll be i bet you running in memphis so january 21st 1973 released on porn bond here he was charged with shipping six pornographic films six different films get out of here that's all they were waiting for six tapes for yep that's it so uh wow uh his bond was ten thousand dollars by the way for so much for those porns that's what i mean they had to be expensive back then because like a vhs tape in like the 1984 was like 90 for like a fucking to buy a movie

imagine dvds dvds in 99 with porn on them they were like 40 bucks they were so expensive oh they could were they like 12 hours long though because they were like we can cram it on into vhs there was like six tons that were an hour and a half long. Jesus Christ. That was a lot of fucking. Jesus Christ. Now, so far, what he's done, I think he's doing a service, bringing whacking material to the great chastened people of the South. I think that's a good thing he's done here. Yeah. I mean, the gambling, quote, unquote, maybe might be hurt,

but it didn't hurt anybody hurt anybody. I mean, it's fine. It destroys the integrity of a game, I guess mean college basketball when has that had integrity let's be realistic here you're making money off of actual new slavery is what that is the ncaa is not yeah no servitude it's something it's something that's fucking weird here yeah they're like yeah but you get but you get you get a degree from louisiana tech oh boy do i wow and if you're good enough you can get out in two years and go pro and not have a degree and not have a degree at all isn't that great not have anything to fall back on you

fucking idiot i almost feel bad for jack molinas, but not nearly as bad as I feel for, and hold this, hold it for one second, wait for it. Jack Molina, without the S, dynamic, innovative professional with extensive experience in leadership marketing, innovation, and entrepreneurship. He used innovate twice in one sentence, which I don't care for. Innovating innovations. Innovating innovation. And also, Jack Molina, regional operator from Tampa, Florida. Who cares? Some engineering place.

That doesn't matter because that's two Jack Molina equaling Jack Molina's. That's what that is. Two Jack Molina's are plural. Two is plural, meaning Jack Molina's. So suck on that, everybody. Both of them together are enough and then one jack molinas that we did find here uh was a guy who in 1968 was 33 years old and we just found him in the newspaper he and found this a man arrested in assault oh jesus and it's not him uh he received 16 stitches in the head Monday at the New Rochelle Hospital after being, quote, beaten about the head and shoulders with a baseball bat.

He got mugged real fucking hard. Well, not really. He was in the home of his ex-wife. Oh? He said he'd been visiting his former wife, Miss Joanne Molinas, and had gone to the bathroom. While inside, he heard voices in the living room. As soon as he stepped out, he was assaulted by Donald Deesso of 1000 Wilmot Road. He broke away and told police and drove to the hospital.

The other guy was arrested and charged with first-degree reckless endangerment and second-degree assault. Why'd he do it? Don't know. I don't know if he was seeing the ex-wife he got pissed off yeah that's all i can imagine yeah or she set him up and was like my husband's here kick his ass i don't know what it was but january 6th 1974 here um okay this is from a miami herald article and they're talking about uh the the all of this shit here with him and everything here. It's fucking, by the way, the porn thing is very fucking silly

that he's being arrested for fucking porn. So he says, my first reaction was, you've got to be kidding me. Then I realized he wasn't kidding. He said, it didn't hit me all at once, but when you finally walk into that prison cell, he's talking about when he was in prison, and look at those four blank walls, you get the full impact. It's a terrible moment. You ask yourself, was it worth it?

And the obvious answer is no. They said, are you ever serious about anything? And he said, about fun. About gambling. That's fine. He said, about fun, I'm very serious about beautiful women and good food and looking out my window and enjoying the view. Who the fuck isn't? I like fun and pussy and wine.

That's what I like is what he just said. I like travel, exotic pussy and wine. Who the fuck doesn't? I know most people won't. They will think I'm being weird, but that's just what I like. It's each its own. You know what I mean? You like walking in Memphis.

I like this. So they're different things. That's too funny. In the paper, listen to this. This is such a fluff piece, this article. They say nothing deeper than that, and then it goes on to say, Malinas reached down and patted the head of a puppy. They literally are talking about him petting puppies.

That's how much of a fluff piece. Have you ever heard a fluff piece where they literally talk about him petting a puppy? A puppy, a mongrel dog who shares his bachelor existence. Quote, sometimes, he says, I get very stern when I talk to my dog. That's what's deeper. Wow. He said that his attorney attorney he has nerve i can tell you um whoa big deal that's great um jack said he was ready after his return though he said

he left new york for california five years ago but he still got his accent they talk about and all that kind of shit he says that uh melinas can't remember exactly when he first met Joe Hacken. He said, he was always around. Everybody in my neighborhood knew him. While I was still in high school, he was the bookmaker. Everybody did. We all know the local bookmaker in high school, don't we? The neighborhood bookie.

You know who that is, right? I had no fucking clue. You know who to go place a bet with. That's the neighborhood bookie. You know that guy. Wow. He said Molina said that he said the only people

who didn't know his parents didn't really know about it. He said they were homebodies. He said they wanted me to be a dentist. He said nowadays he earns his living quote wheeling and dealing. Still hustling. And in real estate and other business ventures. He said that he was a great athlete and that's fine,

but he says about everything, the 51 scandal, the CCNY one, he says, I wasn't involved. Hacken had approached me, and even when I was a freshman, about shaving points, but I wasn't interested. I had enough money and I was happy. What did I need that nonsense for? I told him, forget it, but I wasn't interested. I had enough money and I was happy. What did I need that nonsense for? I told him, forget it, but I didn't report it and it really didn't shock me. That kind of thing happened all the time in those days and the players who weren't interested just ignored it.

He said during the second term of his academic sophomore year, he said, quote, I was living in a dormitory. It was exam week. One night, things got out of hand, and a bunch of kids in the dormitory staged a small-scale riot, throwing pillows and mattresses and stuff out the window. I thought it was juvenile. Then the next night, a bunch of them started ragging on me. How come the big basketball star was afraid to join in the fun? I said, because it's stupid. You want to see how much smarts it takes to throw something out a window here?

And he said, there was a glass of water on the desk, and I opened up the window and threw it out the window. I said, there, big deal, right? Quote, it was a stupid thing to do, but I was 19 years old. Anyway, I looked out the window, and I saw an old man standing down there looking up. Right away, I knew the water had to have hit him, but I didn't think about it that much. I was seven floors up, and I didn't think he could see me. That's seven fucking stories up. That's dangerous.

The next day, I found out that the old man was Professor Mark Van Doren, the dean of men told me. He told me to absent myself from school. That's one way to put it. Absent yourself. absent myself from school. That's one way to put it. Absent yourself. So, yeah, he talked about all this and talks about his first time he ever gambled

was the $5,000 game against Holy Cross that he rolled over. And he said when it started, the game that he threw or shaved, he said, I thought, well, I'll play as well as I can for a while and see what happens. I did, and the game stayed pretty close, so I kept on playing as hard as I could.

Finally, they were leading by two points with a few seconds left, and we had the ball. But the coach called timeout and set up a play, and I wasn't the shooter, so I never had to make a decision. He's like, we lost, and that was that. So fuck it. He lost it all, by the way, that summer by betting on major league games, baseball games. He said, I was really into gambling. I didn't care about the money. Never did.

It was the winning of the glory. That's it. So he said, I'll tell you something. Even later on, when I was the so-called mastermind of this big gambling syndicate, the money didn't mean anything. I wanted to bet and I wanted to win. I didn't need the money. Wow. What the fuck? Just wanted this. It's wanted to win i didn't need the money wow what the fuck just

wanted these it's a it's a disease i can't imagine i'm so glad i don't have it i'm thrilled i don't have that here um he talks more about more about the gambling more about all the things like that um january 7th 1974 they talk about how Jack Molinas handles his own and dates often come to pick him up they said he likes it he says it's beautiful back east that's unheard of a girl coming to pick you up on a date but here

in California it happens all the time life is very nice here yeah he said it's less something less than dull he likes to wheel and deal in the world of finance he said it's very similar to gambling it is gambling it's something less than dull. He likes to wheel and deal in the world of finance. He said it's very similar to gambling. It is gambling. Yeah, it is. It's the same thing. It's the same kind of thrill, the same action, moving big numbers around.

A good opinion is still very important, only this is completely legal and above board. If you do it right. Sure. I'm established here. I have a $100,000 line of credit at my bank. That's for openers. If I need more for a good business deal, I can get more credit. Probably $400,000 on a day's notice for a good deal. That's frightening. I would never want. Oh, my God.

That makes my stomach hurt. Right? And that was back then when that was really, you know. Oh, Jesus. In the 70s? Oh, my God. That was more than a three-bedroom house in Phoenix at that point. That was like, you know.

They say it's early in the afternoon and Jack Molinas is sitting on the Swedish modern sofa in his living room. So it's Ikea. Nice Ikea you had. Yeah. Facing the huge window with the splendid view and two stereo speakers, each large enough to house a sumo wrestler. The stereo speakers are silent now, but a big color television set in the corner of the room is blaring the play-by-play

analysis of a major football game. Jack said, I don't look back. What's the point? I'm a respectable businessman now. Wow, that's a famous last word. A respectable businessman might be the title of this episode. A respectable businessman.

I enjoy life. I date beautiful girls. I play a little basketball. I even cook a little bit. People out here aren't as aware of the other things as people back east. My name doesn't mean as much. He said, although, I have to admit,

I could probably create one heck of a stir if I walked up to Connie Hawkins some night and threw my arm around him or snuck up on a referee and shook hands with him and palmed a $100 bill. Some people would remember then, I guess that's fucking funny. Um, that's hilarious. So he, uh, according to this here, um, you know, they're talking about, he said the whole thing wasn't difficult. He said the first approach to the player is so generally, you can't even really call it an approach, meaning to get a guy to throw a game sure said if he wanted to report it all he could say would be this guy

wanted to know how i was doing and was i happy and did i have enough money that's not enough to convict anybody of a crime right so how you doing you got enough money you're doing all right blah blah blah blah um so 1975 uh august 3rd 1975 by the By the way, more on porn because that's... Is it coming back? There's some porn stuff coming into this here. Oh, yeah, you're going to enjoy that shit. So, oh, my God. Okay, here we go.

January 7th, 1974. Oh, no, I'm sorry. That's him with his going back east. I messed up there. So, here we go. 1975, August 3 I'm sorry. That's him with his going back east. I messed up there. So here we go, 1975, August 3rd, 1975. Oh, this is from the Charlie Rosen book, The Wizard of Odds here. The house at 9246 Thrush Way featured a swimming pool, a glorious view of L.A.

On a clear day, the view stretched to Santa Monica and the ocean. A patio. Is it Thrush Way? Thrush. That's a disease. That's not great. Gross. A patty. A patio. Is thrush way? Thrush. That's a disease. That's not great. Of the mouth. Yeah.

A patio, a red brick barbecue, and next to the pool, a guest house. The monthly rent was $750, and Melinas had control of the two-room guest house, deciding who could live there and pocketing whatever rent monies were forthcoming. When Melinas and Noel arrived, three drag queens were living in the guest house and amid a great flurry of no word if any of them were jay agder hoover we're not sure amid a great flurry of feathers they were booted out and his and um they said melinas is apparently oh we'll talk about it. He said, isn't this the most beautiful place you could live compared to Brooklyn?

Now, at that point, after he said that, there's a 28-year-old guy named Eugene Connor who was hiding behind a restraining wall. You know, the firewalls, the concrete ones about west there. That separated the neighbor's house from his house. Connor then pops out of his hiding spot right after Molina said that. He has a long-barreled.22-caliber pistol on top of the wall that he's steadying and fires five shots. What?

One hit a window, or two hit a window, Sash. One hit his girlfriend. Oh. One hit a puppy in the front paw he's okay and one hit jack molinas in the back of his neck uh-oh he fell face up on the patio and that's it he's dead oh what dead got taken out wow What was he about to talk about? Absolutely murdered. I mean. Just hit. Yeah. So August 675, they're looking for clues.

They're looking for a link between the shooting and anything else. They're looking for Bernice Gussoff. They said a former business partner. Gussoff was beaten to death in his Los Angeles apartment. November 15th, 1974. The police said the murder was never solved. Okay. It was rumored that Malinas may have been behind Gussoff's death in order to collect the life insurance money. So, behind means he had people do it for him which means that those people wanted payment for something wanted payment either he didn't pay up or they're worried he's gonna fucking talk about

something right because he's been talking about everything yep he was shot in the head by a sniper at 2 a.m while he was standing in the backyard of his hollywood hills home with his close friend shirley marcus who had arrived a few hours earlier from New York. She was wounded in the neck in the shooting, but the police said they didn't know whether she was a target or an accidental victim. Well, who do you think is the target? The guy with mob ties for the last 25 fucking years or Shirley who just

got off a plane, a guy shot in the fucking head or yeah. Yeah. Which one? Fuck. Um, they said she really after that pop. Yeah,

that's what she, he was into some shit, that puppy. You don't know what he was into. Shortly after Gussoff's murder, the police said they attempted to question Malinas, but were met at his home by three barking dogs. Later, Malinas collected the insurance money. Betty Malinas, his mother, reportedly had arrived from New York recently to visit her son and was in Southern California at the time of the murder. The police said his body would be flown to New York for services and burial.

Wow. They said, quote, Jack Malinas always did things in a big way. He was fascinated by gambling and rackets. He was a flashy dresser, drove oversized cars, liked to flash big bank rolls, and was almost always surrounded by beautiful women. Yeah. Didn't lead a bad 43 years, I got to say. He had a decent, other than the prison. Only 43.

They said, much of it sounds out of place from someone who qualified for Stuyvesant, one of the highest rated schools in New York. He's very smart. He was also considered an excellent student at Columbia and became a successful lawyer. Wow. They talk about him being convicted and everything like that. Connie Hawkins said, I just thought Jack was a nice lawyer. Wow. They talk about him being convicted and everything like that. Connie Hawkins said, I just thought Jack was a nice guy. That's nice there.

That's decent here. Apparently here, Malinas, they talk about that. They talk about how his hook shot was nasty. They said he had a genius IQ who breezed through law school in his spare time and played the stock market and made tons of money. What a guy. Malinas, here's a quote, Malinas preferred to wager on sports but would take bets on anything else, including literally which raindrop would be the first to fall from a windowsill. That's him.

That's the guy. But that's not who John Douglas talked to. That's just a thing that they all say. They will bet on that. Wow. That's the guy. But that's not who John Douglas talked to. That's just a thing that they all say. They will bet on that. Wow. As a player, he began shaving points as early as high school. He was 21 when he got kicked out of the NBA for gambling.

Unbelievable, man. Holy shit, man. Wow. They talk about him just being a wild guy here. When he got out of prison, he went into the pornography business, as we know, for transporting pornography. He also produced two films, Jimmy. What were they, David? He produced two fucking pornography films.

Do I know them? Do you know them? Are they famous? You've never heard. They're from 1970. No. It's not Deep Throat. All right. One is called, quote, Caught in the Can, which sounds, we all got a picture. That's nice.

We all got a picture of what that was. Yeah. And that is from 1970. It's an hour and five minutes. That's a long film. On IMDb, it's got a 3.8 out of 10 with 20 ratings. 20 people have seen this and reviewed it. I got to go to the Internet and talk about that.

That's not just me after eating eggs an hour and a half of IBS. No, that's this. I'm caught in a can. Here is the description of it. Two broke dudes in an effort to make some quick cash dress up as ladies of the night to fleece some sailors they're gonna roll some sailors like what the fuck is they're gonna dress up like chong trying to get a ride from cheech in the beginning up and smoke and then they're gonna do this it says unfortunately or not they end up arrested for prostitution and dumped into the hot box for the night with a bunch

of horny ladies they get jumped dumped into the girls side no the night with a bunch of horny ladies. They get jumped, dumped into the girls side. No one ever checked. And now they're just, they're going to get fucked to death by all these horny women in here that are finally have a dick. It's a great plot. It's pretty typical, but yeah, it's stars Ron

Darby and Gerard Brolard. Oh, Gerard. That's Oh, Gerard Depardieu. Yeah, Gerard Depardieu is in this. Casey Lorraine, Debbie Earle, Linda Vroom. That's a good name for a porn star. Yeah, that's not bad. Sharon Beard. That's not a great name for a porn star.

That's a terrible name. And Paul Austin here. So there we go. He produced that. Oh, here we have a review of this. Would you like to hear it? I would love it. Okay.

Three stars they gave it. Low budget soft core is what they say about it. Okay. Caught in the Can is a short film with a running time of about 25 minutes. Now IMDB disagrees. They say an hour five, but we don't know. A couple of guys come up with a bizarre plan to dress up as women. They stand on a street corner and solicit sex from men.

Apparently their plan is to rob a guy once they get him alone. A cop busts them before they're able to find any takers and they're thrown into jail. Evidently this cop has awfully poor eyesight because he really thinks they are women and places them in a woman's holding cell. One of the guys ends up having sex with one of the women. Good

for a few laughs and some rather explicit softcore fun. 3 out of 10. The other thing... Low budget. Low budget. The other thing he produced, by the way, directed by the same director, Joseph F. Robertson, starring some of the

same people, is called Lord Farthingay's Holiday. Lord Farthing's holiday lord farthings lord farthing gaze lord farthing gay is a man apparently lord farthing gaze holiday 5.1 stars and 26 reviews here okay god it is listed as rated x an hour five minutes 1972 it also says comedy too here though oh here's the description mrs updyke is hosting lord farthingay at her home in his holiday and and during his holiday in the usa but things go wrong when her butler calls an escort agency instead of a music agency oh damn it and when the girls arrive at mrs van updike, things get out of hand, and soon everyone is having sex with everyone.

Mrs. Van Updike is going to have to die. Jesus Christ. He really loves to watch group sex. That's his favorite. Well, also, this is a write-off. You make a little money, you make a little money, or they used to dump it in here for write-off. Now, would you like to hear a review of this movie okay let's hear about lord farthingay okay two stars here for the lord okay mildly entertaining bad porn is the title this was

written in 2021 this oh my god very recent the other one was from 2002 okay this movie is perhaps the only example of a legitimate screwball comedy that doubles as a porn film from the genre's golden age this this is like they got deep into this shit the plot is simple and unimaginative an english aristocrat visits an estate to rest and do some work but instead of calling in musicians for his entertainment, the owner accidentally calls prostitutes. What follows, you know how that goes. How many times has a squadron of prostitutes

arrived at your door and you went, oh, Jesus, I thought I ordered wings and pizza. What happened? Oh, my, where's the band? Oh, for the love of Christ. What follows is a chaotic afternoon of everyone getting it on with everyone else. The acting is better than expected. Maybe they're really enjoying it.

But nobody in this film is taking it too seriously. Clearly, the intent is to make a more explicit version of the low-budget B-roll sex comedies of the era. And even the performers are veterans of these mostly forgettable productions. It plays like a really naughty version of the Benny Hill Show, which I don't ever want to watch. That sounds disturbing. Me neither.

Yakety sax playing in the background. And then a hump in a girl's face. I don't want to see that. That's just weird. Of note, most sex scenes draw on a common no-means-yes tro yes trope oh that's always fun they'll rape they'll rape is hitler in this one or no is this wow we see the protagonist force himself slash herself onto an unwilling target only to see

resistance fade once the action gets going the same basic premise was a staple of future mainstream raunch comms like porky's and revenge of the nerd basic premise was a staple of future mainstream raunch comms like porky's and revenge of the nerds it's a reminder of how times have changed and what we call rape they called humor jesus the the first this is first and foremost a porn flick whereas leaves no legs unopened the sex is soft oh that's wonderful ah no legs unopened i like that they took this as seriously as if they were doing an oscar contending yeah the same same they took the old saying of stone unturned and made it legs on open it's beautiful that's wonderful the sex is soft core it's also performed in a more comedic rather than erotic tone well who wants that who wants to whack it and laugh

never there's nothing nothing funnier than when i come no No. Have you ever been with a... Nothing funnier than when I laugh. Have you ever been, like, actually not whacking it with another human being and in the middle of fucking goes, God, I wish she'd say something funny at some point here. Not once. I wish she would start laughing. This is getting real boring.

Yeah, she hasn't told a joke and her laughs per minute are low. I'll tell you what, this is rough. LPM's not living up to what I expected here. Okay. It has also performed more comedic than erotic. Hardcore films were being made by this time, so why the producers decided not to cross that line is anyone's guess. Okay.

Aside from a handful of funny gags, this is not a good movie. And it's not even good porn. It is, however, a solid example of why adult films generally fail spectacularly when they attempt to cross the line into mainstream entertainment. Yeah. If you're going to do porn, do porn. If you're doing comedy, do comedy. Heavy metal is probably the best porn that ever made it mainstream, right? That was more or less a it's just cartoon right heavy metal what's that you never seen heavy metal no i think the biggest mainstream one was was fucking deep

throat i guess yeah probably that's the most made like a like it was a huge made a lot yeah behind the green door too right behind the green door was big too but i think debbie does it up for all that all right i. I'm pretty sure. And then there was the mid-'70s. There was a time when normal people would go to a porn theater to watch a movie because that was the hip thing to do, and that's what people were doing. They'd go, did you see that Deep Throat? And everyone would go, no, I'll take the wife tonight. They'd go fucking see Deep Throat.

It was fucking weird. Yeah. Anyway, by the way, what is the other one you were describing uh heavy metal it's a cartoon i remember being oh a cartoon i don't know if it's all cartoon or not but i remember i remember cartoon titties and sliding down a dragon i can't deal with that either yeah no this fucking anime like get those kind of out of here no i feel like there was live action in it though but there was certainly you need a real boob you know what i mean yeah this is like what am i supposed to do with this i could draw this and then i'm gonna do it no that's not gonna work i don't know if i saw yeah it's definitely all cartoon wow that wasn't until 1981 though so it doesn't oh god yeah i was

a little young to watch it then yeah you know it was canadian so oh god this fucking god damn it canadians either make porn or don't ivan reitman made it oh so it's supposed to be a comedy then oh it's certainly funny yeah there's so much there's so much porn pussy and teddy in it though okay i thought it was a porn i was like okay it's not a porn yeah i mean it's a it's kind it's a porn but it's like not a porn what's it rated r for sure there you go for sure so it might be x theaters it might be x the hell are you doing ivan reitman a weird thing for him to be producing i don't know i made 20 million dollars that's back then big money too that's a decent amount especially for something that probably cost half a million to make.

John fucking Candy's in it, James. Yeah, it's not a porn. It's a cartoon. It's John Candy's in it. That's not a porn. It's an adult cartoon. They made a cartoon for adults, which was like a high concept back then. So they had to include some sex stuff in it because it's an adult movie.

That's what everybody's interested in. John Candy's in it. It's not porn. You don't want to see that part part of john candy's career no just john candy's lesser known porn career yeah gut dangling pounding away but he's just a great guy real fun funny look his last per minute are way up they're way up. That's the thing. So they said that shot in the back of the head. The investigators think it was almost certainly at the behest of the mob.

Yeah. It is believed that his debts with the mafia were possibly the reason he allegedly refused to repay a loan of about three hundred thousand dollars he received from Los Angeles gangsters. Oh. And they think that in 2002, the New York Times called him, quote, probably the greatest fixer of basketball games in history. In what year? In 2002, they called him that. Wow. In history.

It had been 30 years, and he's still there. He is buried here. Here's his gravestone. He's got a big lion on it. Star of David. That's some stuff there. Here's his gravestone. He's got a big lion on it. Yeah. Star of David. That's some stuff there. He's Jewish. Yeah, Jacob.

He is from 32 to 75, beloved son and brother, buried in the Bethel Cemetery in Paramus, New Jersey. And here's an article in summation here of the whole thing. Quote, once a Chicago mobster had called him in and broken his hand with a hammer another time he'd spent hours peering down the barrel of a ready gun before he weaseled out of that one some other of his marks had dangled him out of a 15th floor window hotel a hotel window until he agreed to come up with a bundle uh he'd caused them to lose on a phony fix he He got vanilla iced over here. They sure did.

They shug-knighted his ass. Unbelievable. Most of the time, it was the simple double-cross. He was never careful about who, only about how much. Confident, conniving opportunist was one of the more favorable terms used to describe him. Totally amoral and absolutely convinced he would could get away with anything was another he's woody harrelson and money train he's everything he's all of these people he's your eight your prototype archetype fucking film scumbag do you think that he borrowed

three hundred thousand dollars had his partner murdered and then didn't use that half a million to pay back the three hundred thousand and they were like fuck him then i think that's what it's got to be the money's so close it's so timeline matches up it's got to be but he probably think about how many deals he had going on how he owed money to this one money to that one who knows how many fucking robin peter to pay paul yeah how many hands he had in different pots here. Can't get enough of him. Well, I can't. I want to know more, honestly.

I want him alive. I want to know everything. Yes. I want a fucking really good movie about this guy. Other shit. I mean, every movie is about him. Yeah. This, by the way, is not available anymore, but it was for a long time.

A 1954 Jack Molina's House of David worn satin warm-up suit. The House of David was a religious commune headquartered in Benton Harbor, Michigan, that he was a part of for a while. The commune required its members to refrain from sex, haircuts, shaving, and the eating of meat. What? Yes. The House of David was invited. He joined a cult?

He joined a cult, yeah. The House of David was invited to participate in the prestigious World Professional Basketball Tournament 1930 and 1940. They served as an opponent for the Harlem Globetrotters during their 1954 Tour of Europe and ceased to field a team after that tour. Inside the rear collar is the word Wilson and manufacturers tag Selvey written in blue ink.

Selvey once scored 100 points in a game at Furman University. Inside the left zipper path is a large satin Wilson tag. Adjacent on the opposite side is a gold satin strap with the 30. They got $1,320 for this thing. Wow. I would have paid that. It's like a big satin. It looks like what a boxer would wear to the ring, except it's short.

Big robe? And it was his? It's a big jacket. Yeah, it was his. It was somebody else, and then he got it after that. So I guess Molinas regular plus one. It's 46 regular plus one embroidered in the blue chain stitch. It was worn by both Jack Molinas and Frank Selvey.

On the left chest is a large red, white and blue. Some shit you can see here. Yeah. Who the fuck bought it? Somebody in 2012. It was on. God damn it. Auction ended December 12th, 2012.

We're only 11 years late for this close. Just missed it. Just missed it. But it but anyway that is jack molinas oh my god i want so much more i want so much more that is one fucking doozy of a story man that is fascinating individual he is he's fucking fascinating so there he is uh jack molinas and um yeah going back in time but you know Lord Farthingay and you know Private Life of Hitler he's got a lot going on you gotta know it all

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