Crime in Sports - #44 - Murder, Mayhem & Maple Syrup - The Cluelessness of Brian Spencer

Episode Date: November 29, 2016

This week, we explore a story filled with wall to wall crime, and crazy. He played with reckless abandon, and lived with even less care. A kid from the back woods makes it big in the NHL, and somehow ends up living in a dingy trailer, on a swamp, with a prostitute, a nasty crack habit, and facing the electric chair for kidnapping, and murder. If you think that's wild, wait until you hear about his father. It's a tale of insanity, from start to finish! Fire up a big crack rock, build a truck out of an airplane, and kidnap a small time gangster with Brian "Spinner" Spencer!! Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Tuesday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Crime in Sports!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Small Town Murder Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/crimeinsportsInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] on Patreon: patreon.com/crimeinsportsPayPal: paypal.me/crimeinsports See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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because, boy, do we have a wild one tonight. This is insane, and it's so much fun. So much fun. It's a tale of a backwoods man gone to the big city. You can't go wrong with backwoods, man. Losing his goddamn mind. It's awesome. And his life spinning out of control, no pun intended.

We'll find out why that's a pun later on. But yes, before we get into the main story this week, just want to thank everybody for their iTunes reviews and all their interaction this week. So important. The iTunes reviews mean the world to us. They help us move up the charts. They help us get better sponsors.

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That I didn't know so much. And I was really impressed how much Stone Cold you found. Oh, yeah. To quote about it. Yeah, yeah. To quote about it. Yeah, yeah. There was so many. Oh, you wrote a book. I found it online.

So many Today's references. Thank you, Google Books. Yeah, no doubt. Let's just say that because I'm not buying that shit. That was a fun one. That was fun. God, he was nuts, wasn't he, Chris Adams? He was like a crazy person.

It's one of those things where it's like you don't have to know anything about wrestling to care about that. You don't even have to know about the guy. No. Just sit back. We'll tell you. Sit back. We'll tell you about a crazy person because that's what we do every week here. If you're a new listener, we're just going to – it doesn't matter if you're into sports.

It doesn't matter if you're into – You don't have to be. You don't have to be into true crime, comedy, or sports in particular. Any of them, really. Just trust us. This comes together. We'll sprinkle enough of each together. Exactly.

And make it fun. It's a nice cocktail we make. It's very smooth. Do you ever sit and watch Dateline 2020 or 48 Hours, any of those crime shows and just go,

this is so serious and so sad. Yeah. Like I need comic relief for that. I need two idiots making dick jokes. We fill that void. We fill that void.

And not knowing shit about other countries and ripping on them. I need that. Well, let's do it. Let's get into this week's subject. He's from another country. Fantastic. Other than the U.S.

Not very far away, though. He's Brian Roy Spencer. Brian Spencer. Brian Spinner Spencer. Okay. He's known as. He's a hockey player. Okay.

And a lunatic from day one here. I'm guessing Canada. Canadian. You got it, baby. Born September 3rd, 1949 in Fort St. James in British Columbia, Canada. So Western Canada. He's from the backwoods. Fort St. James is not on the coast. It's not on the coast. It certainly isn't Toronto. It's not Montreal. This is a woods town. These are rugged people back here. Lots of flannel. Lots of flannel. Layers of

flannel. They could stop a bullet just from flannel layers. That's how thick it is. The Brony Man is very popular there. Absolutely. They all look like him. It's a rural area. Back woods. This Fort St. James area. It used to be a trading post. That's how

they'd just take some furs out there back in the day and be like, I'll meet some people from over there. Yeah, some people from over here and some people from over there are meeting in this middle of nowhere place. It's 600 miles from Vancouver. So it's out there in the woods of British Columbia. You need a plane

to get to civilization. Absolutely. His father, Roy, and he's got a mother, Irene. He's got a twin brother, as a matter of fact. Not identical. They're not identical, so they're not creepy.

Whatever. Is it fraternal? They're fraternal brothers. Come on, parents. This is worse than Name Your Kid Junior. Don't tell me. Well, the parents here

will blame them. Roy and Irene. Irene's a school teacher. Roy's a mechanic and does all sorts of kind of labor type things. I already like Roy. You're going to like Roy a lot. Irene's a school teacher. Roy's a mechanic and does all sorts of kind of labor type things. I already like Roy. You're going to like Roy a lot.

Roy is, wow, he's a trip. Roy is more of a story than Brian, I think, just in terms of interest for me anyway, as you'll see. What did they do with the twin brother? Okay, it's Brian and the twin brother's name is Byron. No. It's Byron. Irene did this. But they didn't even do it like, it's not, okay, it's not B-R-Y-A-N and B-Y-R-O-N.

It's Brian, B-R-I-A-N, normal spelling, and Byron, B-Y-R-O-N. So like, it sounds kind of cool together. It's fine. And they dressed them alike all the time. I'm sure. Identical flannel. Yeah. Just identical flannel.

Assholes. And made them play hockey. Roy, okay, Roy did the right thing getting him into sports. Roy allowed mom to veto and choose the names. That's what I'm going with. That's probably it. I know Irene did it. That's probably, it's Irene.

Come on, Irene. Irene was a school teacher, like I said. I'm sorry. That was dumb. Oh, man. You were close on that. You were close on that. You were close to getting a knock right in the ball sack from across the table.

She deserves that for that bullshit pick of the night. You're actually right. You're actually right. It's a terrible pick. Roy said, these fucking kids are going to play hockey, god damn it. And they played hockey. Well, he's got to make them tough because they're going to get picked on. Well, there's no one to pick on them. They're in the middle of nowhere.

He's going to pick on them. He would quiz them every day on hockey knowledge. He'd be like, all right, boys, pop quiz. And he'd be like, so you're skating? I don't know shit about hockey.

Who won the Stanley Cup here? No, no, no. Like, what you're supposed to do in this situation. Who do you pass to? You're in the corner. Shit like that. He wanted them to know

their hockey and know how to play hockey. all that shit. Absolutely. Basically, the hockey equivalent of that. Who do you check when this happens? Yeah. Who do you check? And that's what he wants out of that. that like he wanted them to know their hockey and know how to play hockey absolutely basically the hockey equivalent who do you check when this happens yeah who do you and that's what he wants in the face he wants them to be tough yeah he bought his father eventually buys up like a thousand acres of forest out there in the middle of nowhere which probably was i don't know what

that cost in the middle of nowhere uh it was called spencer ridge because they're the spencers obviously 12 icicles that's all it was. Maybe some trinkets. It was like when they bought Manhattan from the natives there. A couple icicles and a fox pelt. Yeah, yeah. It's like in Blazing Saddles. He's got a paddle ball game.

He's like, yeah, they like this. It's fine. You catch it in the cup. In the cup. So Roy's dream is to have them be hockey players. So they're in this backwoods kind of shackish type deal, and he makes them a makeshift rink out of a gravel pit in the backyard. And he maintains it.

This is like the Canadian Eddie Johnson. Eddie Johnson had the kind of ghetto fruit. Yeah, watermelon picking, and they set up a fruit basket as a hoop. This is kind of that. This is the Canadian version of Eddie Johnson. Go back and listen to Eddie Johnson if you haven't heard. Listen to Eddie Johnson.

Did he have a makeshift Zamboni? That would be amazing. They made it out of a lawnmower. It just goes around in a little circle. It's a John Deere Zamboni. He's got like a go-kart with like an old wood pallet that he just drags the ground. He waves and shit.

He waves to the neighborhood kids. There's no neighborhood. What am I talking about? He waves to the trees and the foxes that are not pelts yet. And his two poor little hockey pawns.

He makes them practice two hours a day. Holy shit. Two hours a day of hockey is a lot. And Roy, like I said, he's like a mechanic.

Does a lot of mechanical things. Massive drinker. Yes. Very hard drinker. Which, maybe to stay warm. It's cold out there yeah and what a shit life also i mean that's just a hard scrabble tough life to get through it you gotta and he made the kids work hard told the kids early to play tough play hockey tough he's like none of

this finesse shit you're not going to be the you're not the fastest skater you're not the most pretty with the puck that's not what you do you play with tough edge. That is the fastest way to get to the pros back then, is what he was telling them, is you'd be tougher than everybody else. They can't deny you, basically. He's not wrong. And he's not wrong back then. Now they're like, that's great.

We don't need you. We need Sidney Crosby. We need a guy who can stick and handle the puck. That's all we need. Stick handling is important, and your speed. Never mind scoring, hit people, is what he's telling. Go out there and goddamn hit someone. It's not draw blood yeah so brian really i mean his brother played when he was a kid but brian really took to it later on and and kept going and that was

his obsession also okay he wanted to be a hockey player and a movie star also wanted to be a movie two great careers not bad right not bad for stars. Especially coming from the woods of nowhere here. God damn it, I'm going to make something of myself. Absolutely. And he goes in high school, he goes up to this one school until 10th grade, and then in high school, 11th grade is high school, I guess, in this area, and there's no high school anywhere near there, so he has to take a bus to Vanderhoot, which is 40 miles away, to go to high school.

Vanderhoot. Going to Vanderhoot, which is 40 miles away to go to high school. Vanderhoot. Going to Vanderhoot to play. And he played football and soccer also in high school. He made it to the provincial finals in the badminton tournament, the province badminton tournament there as a junior in high school. He was a handsome guy, I imagine, because he wanted to be a movie star. Am I wrong? I don't know if he's handsome or not.

You know, there's a different standard for 1970 and also canadian the two of those that 1970 canadian i mean is now we're the same but back then 1970 canadian handsome is a different there was something off there was three teeth missing in your nose to the side of you that's a handsome man hey i mean because it's it he's rock him a leading man yeah make him a leading man but in hollywood i don't know if that shit would fly so much if you know what i because it's it. Make him a leading man. Yeah, make him a leading man. But in Hollywood, I don't know if that shit would fly so much, if you know what I mean. It's a little bit different. Badminton. Jesus.

Badminton. I bet there's an avalanche of pussy that comes with badminton. Oh, well, he's a bad man. I can just see him beating people with the badminton racket. Was he checking dudes? Yeah, he's very Happy Gilmore-like, is the way I feel. He's like Happy Gilmore. He's got a good heart and everything, but he's a fucking lunatic

and he snaps on people all the time. He's using like a cricket bat for the first time. Absolutely, yeah, just running out there with whatever he can grab near him on the bench.

Just anything. It doesn't matter. Water bottle, he's hitting a guy with it. Just anything they got laying around. Gatorade flinging around him. Who cares?

So he's 17 years old in 1967. He begins playing junior league hockey as we've discussed with Mike Danton and Steve Durbano. And it's great because this is the same time Durbano's playing in the Juniors, too. Different thing because he's playing Western Canada.

Durbano's over by Toronto. He was playing for the Toronto Marlboros, I believe. Yeah, this guy is not. Well, he ends up going to Calgary, which is compared to Fort St. James is a metropolis. Look at the flames, right? The Calgary flames now, yes, absolutely, since 1980. Gotcha.

So he begins playing in Calgary for the Calgary Centennials of the Western Canadian Junior Hockey League. That sounds prestigious. Sounds super fucking, super big. He's a left winger, but he's a tough left winger. He's a left winger that likes to check. Fantastic. He likes to check a guy.

He likes the penalty box. He finds himself in the penalty box very, very much. He likes the view. Now, the first year here when he's in the junior leagues, he plays 34 games for Calgary. He has 13 goals and 10 assists, which is really good in that amount of time. In how many games? In 34 games with Calgary. That's pretty good.

That's pretty damn good. 23 points in 34 games. Sometimes won nothing. Yeah, so that's not bad. And then he plays for the Regina Pats, which sounds like a gynecological disorder. I got the Regina Pats. It's not good. Yeah, no, I feel it at night.

It hurts at night, mainly. I got to take a pill. He plays 23 games. They have a nice topical cream they have a topical cream you can rub on it and it's fine it'll go away in 2-3 days time take care of the vagina

and you get them because it can get worse it can get out of hand if you let it go it's cyclical it comes back it never goes away once you have the vagina you got them for life and you got to tell all your partners about it it sounds so gross terrible there's an ooze and a

discharge for this gynecological disorder team he plays 23 games doesn't play much in the games though he's kind of a bench guy he's one goal and two assists and not even any penalty minutes really to speak of nothing much going on for him. He's 17 years old. He's playing though. He's 17 and 18. So they're looking at him as a kid. Drops out of high school by the way. It's pretty impressive. Doesn't graduate high school because hey he's got hockey. This is Canada. What are we fucking doing here?

I live in a tundra. I'm not going to school. I'm going to stay in the gravel pit instead and practice. So 68-69 season. The next season he starts the season with the Estevan Bruins and also plays with the Swift Current Broncos at the end of the season. Finishes total with 53 games played, 19 goals, 29 assists. Nice.

Now we're cooking. That's pretty nasty. Shit, yeah. That's really good. And also he begins to establish himself as a tough guy at this point too with 120 penalty minutes in those 53 games. And that's not bad though. He's a scorer, he's an assister, and he's a scorer, he's a passer,

and he's kicking your ass at the same time. He's running shit. He'll punch you in the mouth right after he scores a goal. Absolutely. He's very, very tough. And in their own words here we have him explaining why he's so damn tough. Just on his upbringing, here we go. In their own words here, we have him explaining why he's so damn tough. Just on his upbringing, here we go. In their own words on growing up, quote,

You grew up tough to survive. I've hunted animals, skinned them. I've melted snow water for my bath and built a fire out of wood to heat it. I've shot an elk from the window of our shack so he could have something to eat. People can't believe that. No. No, it's not. Right now I can't believe that.

No, he also... in the 60s i imagine a lot of people did that for yeah it's not true though we find out later on that's the only problem that's the only problem is it's not true this is this image he wants to procure of him is like this backwoods man that just canadian john wayne lived in a tree and came out of nowhere and had no he says in one interview I saw where he's like, I had no... I never saw running water or electricity

until I was in junior leagues. And it's like, that's not true. Something tells me your school had electricity. You went to Vanderhoot. I bet they had electricity there. Your dad had a job.

Did they light the badminton court or did they just let it be dark? No, there was lights. Your dad had a job. That's so good. Your mom was a school teacher. Did she do it by candlelight? That's the thing. And they said to the father Your dad had a job. That's so good. Your mom was a school teacher.

Did she do it by candlelight? That's the thing. And they said to the father, the house ran on a generator. They were not near the power grid, but they ran off a generator, and they had shit like that. They had light bulbs. They had water that was diverted from a spring nearby, and it had a heater and everything, a hot water heater.

That sounds awesome. They grew up fine. I mean, it was rugged, I'm sure. don't get me wrong it's a canadian wilderness it wasn't 20 below with you know let's let's melt the bath water let's melt the snow for bath water like it's you know 16 24 cut down the icicles off the ledge so but he likes to exaggerate and he'll like to exaggerate as we go on he's a fucking character this guy when you're when you're your name and your brother's name are just two letters inverted you need to differentiate yourself they dress us the same our goddamn names are similar we both play hockey and if it happens to be stretching the truth to make yourself different whatever

plus he's like and i think too he feels embarrassed probably because he goes and he's he is like a backwoods guy so he's like i might as well play that to the hilt then so they don't think i'm a goober otherwise because they're gonna think something's wrong with me uh so that season has a good season like i shaved with a hunting knife yeah i see look he probably did it in the in the locker room he even has a good playoff run that year for them in the juniors here he scores three goals and one assist in four playoff games nice 14 penalty 14 penalty minutes, too, so he kicks somebody's ass probably as well. I like it. I like this guy so far.

He's not too bad. Now, they start sending out hockey teams back then would send out questionnaires to their prospects that they were looking at. They'd send out questionnaires, and there's a great, they have photocopies of these questionnaires that I found. Don't know how. It's like the suggestion box? No, no, no.

Of their, like the Maple Leafs, Toronto Maple Leafs, NHL hockey teams in general, most of them, if they were interested in prospects, because they didn't know these kids. Back then, there was Canadian wilderness. What the hell do they know about them? There's no scouts. I mean, there's scouts, but they can't get everywhere. There's no video. There's no YouTube.

600 miles from a city. Yeah, there's no YouTube. They just send them a letter. So if they hear the there's no YouTube. They just send him a letter. So if they hear the guy's good, they'll also send him a letter to make sure he can spell and he's not completely stupid. It's like a written interview.

He basically doesn't say, go fuck yourself on the paper and mail it back to them. You know what I mean? Write it in fox blood. That's what I mean. So they send him this questionnaire and he returns it saying

that he's been a heavy-duty truck operator as his job while he was playing in juniors. And that his hobbies that he listed are badminton and karate. He enjoys karate, Brian. I like to fight, and when I don't, I like to play a gentleman's sport. Absolutely. With a shuttlecock. With a shuttlecock.

Now, he also has a quote here. I'm going to do it in their own words from one of his, from basically describe what you like to do is the question pretty much. And here's his response in their own words to the Maple Leafs before he's, you know, drafted or anything. Quote, I do much hunting, fishing. Used to trap furs when I was young for pocket money. Have shot moose, bear, beaver, etc.

Was on a manhunt about two years ago for some criminals in North B.C. What? By the way, that part's not true at all. No, no. That was debunked completely later on. Not true. But he wanted you to think that. He really wanted them to think

that he was a wild style kind of guy. We could even give him the credit that he just wants to see if they'll read it. You know, like, comics will say, like, they're a writer and they'll be like, I'd like a football helmet filled with cream cheese. Yeah, just to see who does it. Just to see if they'll

fucking put it in the green room. Yeah, just to see. Maybe he did that. Are they reading my contract? So apparently these answers were exactly what Toronto was looking for because somehow they went,

that's our guy. Get the guy with the football helmet and cream cheese. Bring the cream cheese guy in. We want him. It's not a football helmet. It's an elk skull. Fine, whatever.

Just bring it anyway. We want him. It's not a football helmet. It's an elk skull. Fine. Whatever. Just bring it anyway. We want him. Because on June 11, 1969, he is drafted by the Toronto Maple Leafs in the NHL amateur draft. Live. It wasn't live on TV. From the Queen Elizabeth Hotel in Montreal, Quebec,

which is exactly where you'd think the NHL draft would take place. Yeah, you give me 10 choices, I'm going to line up all those words pretty closely. All of them. There's going to be a queen. It's probably Montreal. I'm sure Quebec's involved.

Someone's speaking French. Maybe it's in a hotel, like the NFL draft. So Brian's taken with the seventh pick in the fifth round, which is number 55 overall. There wasn't a lot of teams back then. By the Toronto Maple Leafs. After him, I like to do the draft, who you could have had. No all-stars were taken after him. It was pretty much a shit heap after that. A bunch of Canadian guys who, you know, were currently building snowmen and selling insurance. No All-Stars, like I said, but one,

there was a Hall of Famer in the draft. Bobby Clark, an NHL Hall of Famer, was taken in the second round by the Philadelphia Flyers. He was a big part of those 70s Flyers championship teams there. I don't know him. I'm not going to pretend like I do. I just remember... Good for him for being in the Hall of Fame. I can picture him in my mind skating around with no helmet on. I can see the guys like Hockey Card or Still Shot of him.

The name I was going to guess is the Penguins. That's how removed from hockey I am. It's Pennsylvania. You're close. Not bad. You have the right country and state. I'm going to give you credit, Jimmy. Let's move on to the 69-70 season.

69-70, he starts off in the Toronto affiliate of the Tulsa Oilers as a team. I think it's Tulsa, Oklahoma, of the Central Hockey League. Sounds miserable just to be in Tulsa playing hockey. Sounds brutal. Yeah, I don't think that's a big hockey town. Here I am in Tulsa. So he's known as a hard-checking, ass-kicking kind of dude.

He's not stupid on the ice like Durbano was. Durbano would just do silly fights. His shit was like, he was just a maniac. He was just flinging himself all over the place, but it was all in service of the game. He wasn't just trying to make a scene. He was just the hardest-playing guy on the ice. He was Happy Gilmore,

except he could actually skate and handle the puck. Minus the stabbing with the shoe. Yeah, which we just started, Jimmy. That may come up. That may be where the movie was fucking inspired from. Absolutely. Jesus Christ. It's possible.

A mix of him and Urbano, I feel like. He played 66 games with the Oilers, scored 13 goals, 19 assists, 186 penalty minutes. Nice. He is cooking on the penalty minutes. Yeah, that's three hours. They were sending him out there going, just kick everyone's ass. If you can score a goal or two, that's fine, but kick ass.

Put somebody in the sack. That year, they bring him up to Toronto briefly. He was on the roster for nine games, no goals, no assists, no anything. He had two shots the whole year. Sat on the bench. He was only in nine games. They just brought him up just to go, hey, here's the locker room when we bring you up next year. Look, you're in the NHL.

It's one of those, it's like a September call-up in baseball. It's let's get you acclimated because we think you're going to be on the team next year type of deal. He's still trying to make a persona for himself. He's telling all the crazy stories about the backwoods shit like this is when it really ramps up i love him uh teammates said that he did crazy shit they were all like he's just a wild son of a bitch like teammates said that he would walk on his hands into the shower and turn on the water with his feet gross first of all he's walking into the shower a public shower on his hand second of all

he's got his fucking dick hanging down. That's not a funny thing. It's like, hey, your balls are... Your balls are two feet closer to my face. Don't do this. But they considered this charming apparently. This was considered a charming act. That's disgusting. You're walking

on your hands and dick water. Yeah, I wouldn't shake hands with him at all. The mold, I can't imagine their cleaning. It was like a minor league hockey locker room. This isn't cleaned well water. Yeah, I wouldn't shake hands with him at all. The mold. I can't imagine their cleaning. It was like a minor league hockey locker room. This isn't cleaned well. And listen,

I pee in the shower. I'm honest. Whatever. Yeah, you're disgusting, Jimmy. They do too. Of course you do. Oh, all of them do. They do too.

And he's walking on his hands. It's not like it's their house. They're probably shitting in there for all we know. They said too, he could, this is a weird thing, he could jump off a table

and land with like, he'd have his toes curled under his feet and land on his toes like that. I don't know if, like, a ballerina or, like, some sort of weird monkey person, but he would land, that was like they were impressed with his athleticism and general craziness. Telling him that he used to climb trees with his feet or some shit. I'm sure, to go get something to eat for the family and chop it down for wood. Good God. I hunted vermin with my feet. I hunt sure to go get something to eat for the family and chop it down for wood. Good God. I hunted vermin with my feet. I hunt vermin

with my feet. Watch, I'll show you how strong they are. Come on now. Come watch me. Come out to the forest. I punch people,

my knuckles are strong, but watch how strong my feet knuckles are. My feet knuckles? That's, yeah, that's weird. I feel like it's all

just like tough things. Like, look how tough I am. I can square up my foot too. I don't care if there's mold on the floor. I'm like it's all just tough things. Look how tough I am. I can square up my foot, too. I don't care if there's mold on the floor. I'm going to use a bacteria. I'll put my hands right on it, and then I'll bite my nails. What do you think of that?

I'll bite my nails. That's right. I want my dick to hang closer to my own face. That's what I'm looking for. Yeah. Well, I actually put an A on the end of that, and then you got probably what he was saying. I want my dick closer to my face, eh? Eh? Well, I actually put an A on the end of that. And then you got probably what he was saying. A. A.

So the 70-71 season, he starts the year with Tulsa again, the Oilers. Plays 23 games for them. Has six goals, eight assists, 103 penalty minutes in 23 games. So he is racking them up. This guy really enjoys this. Is that five minutes at a time? It depends on the penalty. Yeah, that's right.

So there's all sorts of shit going on. There's some that are two, there's some that are three. He liked to fight. So I think none of a time? It depends on the penalty. Yeah, that's right. So there's all sorts of shit going on. There's some that are two, there's some that are three. He liked to fight, so I think none of his were like little piddly ones. He was kicking ass the whole time. He was high-sticking every time. Now here's when things

take a good turn for him here. Early December 1970, he has his first child. His first child is born. He got married a little while before that. Oh, shit. So now he's got a child. Yeah.

He is on the cusp of being in the, in the, in the pros in the NHL achieving his lifelong dream. He's a mature man now. His father's lifelong dream.

Yeah. More than that. You know what I mean? The quarry paid off. And it's a thing, too, because we've discussed many, many times, is it better

for a father to stick around to leave before they even know who the guy ever was right leave never go back or stick around and beat the shit out of anyone with an arm's reach that's the question we all struggle with what makes a bigger scumbag yeah or we have now a third option because no one no one's father in any of these stories has ever cared more than to, I mean, maybe Arch Leister's father, but I feel like that was more of a manipulation type of thing.

No one's father has cared enough to really stick around and really mold. Participate in the professional career. Mold his kid into a hockey player and all of this. And this guy did, and he's so excited because on December 12, 1970, Brian is making his big debut for the Leafs. He's been on the team before, but this is the big one. They're like, okay, you're bringing me up. You're going to play.

It is supposed to be the games. It's a home game in Toronto against the Chicago Blackhawks. Brian's ecstatic. He's freaking out. Calls his father to tell him that he's coming up. He's going to be playing in this game. Not only that, but this game will be nationally televised on Hockey Night in Canada.

My face is going to be across the country. Absolutely. And they told him he is going to be the in-between period interview. He's going to be one of the interviews. Amazing. Because they like his story

because he's saying he's shooting elk out the window and shit. No, it's because he's insane. Oh, great. And he's saying what a backwoods loony is and they're like, Canadians are like, let's see this backwoods nutcase. Let, it's because he's insane. Oh, great. And he's saying what a backwoods loony is and they're like, Canadians are like,

let's see this backwoods nutcase. Let's see old Lumberjack John. What do you got, buddy? Bring it. Bring it, Brian. So he's excited and it's his first game.

Hockey Night in Canada is a big goddamn deal in Canada. It's still a big deal even now when there's all these other networks. It's like Football Night in America.

But it's even, back then it was, that was, the game was on Saturday night. People were watching hockey. Yeah. Period. It's like football night in America. But it's even, it's, back then it was, that was, the game was on Saturday night. Okay. People were watching hockey. Yeah.

Period. That's it. Because, I mean, there wasn't a lot of channels and especially if you're in rural Canada, you might be able to pick up a signal

from one state. There really isn't a lot of TV. Yeah. So this was like, this was the big shit, right? So he tells his dad, his dad Roy here,

Roy at this point has emphysema, takes oxygen sometimes. He's got kidney disease. Roy's got a lot of issues, okay? But doesn't hamper his enthusiasm. He's psyched. He's psyched. Doesn't hamper his enthusiasm.

Not at all. His boy is going to be on hockey night in Canada. This is his dream. He has cultivated this. Fuck emphysema. He's cultivated this. Yeah. Since these two jerk-offs with different names.

He's like, I don't give a shit which one of them turns out to be good. Byron, that's why I named him a similar name because I don't give a fuck. Someone's going to play hockey well. I'm shouting Brian or Byron either way. One of you is playing hockey well. I don't care. So he's so excited he goes out. And because they can't really pick up a good signal out there, 600 miles from Vancouver, it's very shaky.

He goes out and buys a new TV antenna that day he's for the game tomorrow financially he said i'm getting a new antenna i'm picking up that goddamn station and i'm watching my son on television has the neighbors come over invites it's the closest neighbors they've all seen brian since they they've all lived in the same nobody's on his in the same nobody moves to the woods they all put on their best flannels their flannel bow ties and they come over their flannel tuxedos imagine that

that would be the ultimate Canadian tuxedo jeans with like a jean a jean sport coat and a flannel bow tie that's the Canadian tuxedo from now on they come over they sit down in front of the tv the neighbors he's roy's pouring drinks nobody bring anything on me my kids on i mean this

is his proudest fighting his coughing fits for this this is the proudest day of roy's life okay and i i don't even think roy has drank yet i think he literally wants to be sober for this that's how let's remember and i'll tell you why later. But he sits down everybody's there they turn the game on and they're like here it comes and instead of airing the Maple Leafs

Chicago Blackhawks game No. The CBC airs the Vancouver Canucks versus the California Golden Seals. Those motherfuckers. They decided to split it

and air that in the western part of Canada because they thought these people would be more interested in the Vancouver game. By the way, the Golden Seals moved to Cleveland to become the Barons in 1976 and then folded after two years. So that team sucked dick and they're gone. They're not around anyway.

They're not around. But I thought I actually had to research. So old Roy's going to have to sit by and watch a team that doesn't even exist in fucking 15 years. Roy's not happy right now. No, he's pissed. He is pissed off. Now, Jimmy, I'm going to ask you. You have a son.

Yeah. Let's say your son's playing hockey, okay, and he's really good, and this all happens, and he's on TV, and it's the wrong game. What would you do as a father? Today? In 1970. No, not today. In 1970 in Canada in the backwoods.

Maybe I cry myself to sleep after having a few whiskeys and being sad. Yeah, you hope your son calls you after the game to tell you what it was like to live vicariously through. I've got somebody near there who tapes it for me. There's no tape. It's 1970. There's nothing. You're never going to see this game. It's gone forever. But you hope your son would call you

afterwards. You'd probably have a few drinks. Your friends would tell you, it's alright, buddy. I'm sure he was great out there. You know what I mean? And so you'd go off to bed. I'll just be depressed and sad that I missed my boys. A decent wife would blow you that night because she knows the pain you're going through. Well, Irene better come over. God damn it, Irene.

And that's not saying women should be bluffing. But in a situation like this, help the guy out, for Christ's sake. He'd help you out. He's having a bad day. Yeah, this is terrible. So that's what reasonable fathers would do. But what did Roy do? Roy did not do that.

Roy took a different approach to the matter. Roy cultivated this man. And he's emotionally and financially now invested in the game because he bought shit and equipment to watch it. This is the pinnacle of Roy's achievement. Where does he take his rage out? He takes his rage out by grabbing a rifle and a pistol

and getting into his car. Fuck yeah, Kyle. Or his truck, I should say. Now, he grabs a rifle and the pistol gets into his car. Where do you think he's going?

Oh, to Cal... Where does he go? Where does he go? Where does he go? He drives 85 miles to Prince George where the nearest TV station is. Yes. Where the nearest TV station is. Yes.

Where the nearest television station is. It is your fault, you son of a bitches. While he's driving, the game's going on, too. It takes, you know, through the Canadian wilderness in December to get 85 miles. You're not driving 65 miles an hour, probably. And through emphysema, he's cursing. He's motherfucking them the whole way. In between periods, Brian's interviewed on there.

He's going, hey, this is great. He thinks his dad's home watching. They're not texting each other in between periods like they would be now. There's no communication. Brian has no idea. Nothing. Roy arrives at the television station. It is CKPGTV.

All right. CKPGTV. CKPGTV. K-package. Yeah, whatever the fuck you want to call it. Cock package. In Prince George, these poor people see this maniac walking through the door. Armed to the teeth. Armed. He forces his way inside with a gun.

First encounters newsman Tom Hertel. Finds this guy. Confronts him. What can we do for you? He's, okay? Finds this guy, confronts him. What can we do for you, eh? He's just a newscaster, this guy. He has nothing to do with the broadcasting choices of what fucking hockey game they're playing. Absolutely zero to do with this guy. He couldn't.

He can't wait to tell you about a squirrel that jet skis. That's it. He's like, hey, there's a new brownie recipe and it was taught to me by a squirrel. Tune in tonight at 7 o'clock. Some crazy local broadcaster shit. So Roy tells him, quote, I don't like the CBC's hockey games. Why don't you broadcast more Toronto Maple Leafs games?

Yeah. This is the most Canadian crime ever put forth on the face of the earth. We talked about Eddie Johnson and I think Daryl Alums having the most 80s crimes ever of stealing a VCR for crack money. This is the most Canadian. To hold the television station hostage at gunpoint because they didn't play the Leafs game

you can't get. You would have to be aiming at a moose and accidentally shoot Shania Twain while she was curling and wearing a Mountie hat to be more fucking Canadian than this. Curling to the tunes of

Celine Dion. And they tried to save her with Ivy maple syrup. What the fuck? How Canadian can you be? Put the Leafs game on, I said. What? I said put the Leafs game on. Unbelievable, man. So a receptionist at this point obviously grabs the phone.

Real quickly. Yeah, please. I didn't meet my dad until I was 28. Those 28 years that I lived without a father, I was dying for a father that was that in tune with me and gave a shit about me so much. I'm telling you. Can you imagine?

I wish a dad would have fucking held somebody hostage for me. That's amazing. Even a good dad would be like, I tried to find the game, but they played the other side. I don't know. I'm sorry. I drove to another town to go to a pub. I drove to the bar. Maybe I thought that had it on. Nobody had something. That would have been also my first idea. Where's the game on? I held the newscaster

hostage for you. No, I took 85 miles. That gives you time to think. It's not like it was down the street. He grabbed 85 miles. That gives you time to think. It's not like it was down the street. He grabbed his gun. He said, you son of a bitch. And you know, this is the other thing. You know, all the neighbors and Irene were like, Roy, Roy. Come down, Roy.

Roy, Roy. They don't have anything. Roy. He's got a pistol. It's coming out of Toronto, Roy. They have no fucking idea. Roy, Roy. Hey, no.

Don't get, get his keys. Oh, Roy. Oh, come on. Oh, no. Somebody take the battery out of this truck. And as the door closed, they all turned to each other and said, what do you think he's going to do? Like, I think he's going to the television station. He said he was going there.

Should we watch TV and maybe he's on? Let's watch. Maybe he'll be on the news. So he, a receptionist, tries to grab the phone to call the cops, but Roy rips the receiver off. Yes. Like, rips the cord out. Fuck yeah. Like, movie style.

You're calling no one. Yeah, you're calling no one. Unless you're calling, you know, like movie style. You're calling no one. Yeah, you're calling no one. Unless you're calling to put the Leafs game on, you're calling no one. He's saying, put the goddamn Leafs game on. And at this point,

by the time he's doing it, the fucking game's over, basically. It's not even about that anymore. It's about Roy saying, I worked for the last 20 years to get my fucking kid to the NHL.

I want to see that you put the goddamn leafs game on even if i can't see it i don't care i don't care now you get the tape what do you mean it doesn't exist yet i don't give a shit get some feed let's go put something on here and make it look like where are the highlights yeah exactly yeah where is there no sports center shit god damn it so he pushes past old hair tell there and makes his way into the newsroom. He finds the news director here, whose

name is Stud Fossel. Perfect. Which I love. That's the best newscaster name. He's the news director. Director. Fuck yeah, because he got promoted. Stud Fossel. Hey, Stud, what are we putting on the air tonight? That's brilliant. He got promoted on name alone. I love these people.

This is a rural Canadian TV station. Poor Stud probably worked in the city at one point. He was like a desk man in L.A. And they're like, you know what, Stud? You're getting a little older. Yeah. No, we're going to move you to a place with a little slower pace. You'll like it better, really.

And the next thing you know, he's in Prince George sitting here with a lunatic with a rifle and a big antenna. He's going, I used to be a big deal. You know he's got the big antenna in the back of his truck. He's taking that shit back to the store, too. Dude, I fucking bought it. I don't care. I'll stick it up Stud's ass. So he tells Stud, this is the news director,

who again has nothing to do with hockey choices, tells him to take the other game off the air. I want it off the air right now. You take that Vancouver. Every second that it's on, it reminds me what's not on the air. Yeah, you take that Vancouver and the future defunct California shitbag,

whatever the hell they are, as golden sacks to fucking, you get them off the goddamn air. Stick them and this fucking antenna right up your ass. That's right. So Roy then finds program director. He's working his way up the chain. That's the guy. He went from receptionist to news guy to

news director. Now we're getting a program director. That's the man you want to talk to. He still has no control over what signal's coming out of something. That's the other thing. This is not the main hub of television for Canada. It's not the CEO yet. This is just a place with an antenna that bounces it to more antennas. That's all it's

fucking doing. It has no anything. They might broadcast a small news thing out of there. Four moose were hit by a truck down the highway tonight.

That's all they're doing. And the guy didn't stop. He said, find me at the fucking news station. Shania Twain was tragically shot while curling.

He was aiming at a moose though, so he said, it's okay, we let him go. You know, everyone's tried to shoot a moose. Sometimes you hit Shania Twain, you, we let him go. You know, everyone's tried to shoot a moose.

Sometimes you hit Shania Twain, you know, she's everywhere. She's Canadian. Don't impress me much. So he finds Don, but don't impress, you motherfucker. You eat shit, Jimmy.

You motherfucker. You son of a bitch. I swear to God, Jimmy. I have a Jimmy rant locked and loaded right now for you, you son of a bitch bastard. Oh, my God. So you shot a moose. you son of a bitch bastard. Oh, my God.

So you shot a moose. So you shot a moose. I think that's what Irene said to Roy. You shot a moose. Why don't you go there and get them to put the Leafs game on? That'll impress me. Don't impress me much. So anyway, Roy tells old... The program director is Don Prentiss, which again sounds like an old timey newsman.

He tells him, quote, Jesus Christ, this is the best. You son of a bitch. No, it's cold and calculated and un-fucking-believe. Imagine you're Don Prentiss. This guy comes in. He's looking rural, I would assume. He's come in from a hard day's work. He's got covered in flannel with guns blazing

like the Mexican pimp. How is it? You've come to arrive? That's what he's doing, basically. He knows how he's coming to arrive here. In my truck, 85 miles from the goddamn snow is how I've come to arrive here. Threw a couple mooses asses. That's how I got here. And he tells the man,

what does this guy want from you if you're Don Prentiss? Quote, I am very disturbed about the CBC coverage. There's going to be a revolution unless it's changed. A revolution. The people are going to rise up against the government for playing the wrong fucking hockey game. We want the Leafs game and we will take heads if we cannot have it. That's awesome. God damn it.

A man on horseback shouting one if by land to it by sea somebody said let them have the vancouver game instead of he said no we won't have it heads must roll watch vancouver let them watch vancouver and then it was on revolution that's awesome uh print now you would think this sounds like the activities of a drunk man but it actually sounds like the activities of a drunk man, but it actually sounds like the activities of an alcoholic who hasn't had a drink because Prentiss, the news director, describes Roy as, quote,

cold sober, but shaking like a leaf. This sounds like an angry guy who was waiting, literally waiting for his son to hit the ice to have that drink. He wanted to see it. He didn't want, he knows he, he knows he wouldn't remember it. He had it poured. He wanted it to be clear. Sitting on his nightstand and he's staring at it. He was waiting. He wanted to see it. He knows he wouldn't remember it. He had it poured. He wanted it to be clear. Sitting on his nightstand and he's staring at it.

He was waiting. And welcome to Vancouver! And he was going to, what? Celebration! No. And it's not there. It's not Toronto. And then he goes, thank God I'm sober because I'm driving 85 miles right now. I don't think it would have stopped him if he had a few anyway. So Roy at this point tells the staff

alright, head into the studio. He's rounding them up into the studio. What is his fucking plan? And like I said, if you're Don Prentice and this guy says, I'm very... I'm disturbed about your cover. They didn't play like, you know, children getting their head beat in or something.

They played a different hockey game. One that's actually more regionally relevant to that era. They're close to Vancouver, not Toronto. It makes sense. And there's going to be a revolution. How do I stop this if I'm Don Prentice? So they all go in there. Prentice goes, he leads the pack into the studio and

finds a phone and calls the police. He's not doing well. He's like, what is it, Richard Speck that had all the nurses and he couldn't keep track of them. Yeah, he couldn't count them all. I feel like that's what he's doing now like he's got how awesome is that he lost track counting to nine that's fucking awesome that's amazing well he had his cock out things get things get squirrely with with counting you know he did just come nine times so he's a he's a mess he says he only had sex with two of the girls richard speck in fairness yeah in fact he killed

all of them he swears he only had sex with two i don't know if he thinks that makes it better enough for richard speck that's for another that's for other people other podcasts that do the same shit over and over as everybody else but we don't do that we're gonna do our own thing we cover somebody that you've never heard that's right and i've never heard of brad spencer actually the spinner so he goes ahead after about five minutes of of the standoff in the tv studio with roy holding a gun prentice had already called the police smart man uh he's roy seems to kind of give up a little bit he starts to lose some steam yeah none of these people seem probably they're probably like i don't know yeah you know they're not like no this is what we want to play like they weren't disagreeing when they're probably like yeah i don't know that's not up to

us we'd like to watch that too if you get in your car and drive about 7 000 miles that way you might run into the people who have a decision right we don't have the decision it's not my name is stud and they sent me out here they put me out to pasture i used to cover the crime beat in reno god damn it now i'm out here put me out out to pasture put me out to pasture that's awesome I'm stud I'm stud so he starts to back out of the front door

of the station like I guess never mind surprising that a man with emphysema doesn't have the stamina to go through no that's the other thing too

he's probably wheezing he's like I need my oxygen kidneys are hurting he's pissing blood so starts to back out of the front door and say he says quote another thing god these people are and he says, quote, another thing.

God, these people are nuts. He says, quote, I don't want to kill anyone. I've killed many times before in the commandos. Oh, my God. In the commandos? What is that? Is that an island? A war?

I was in the commando islands and I killed them all. What is that? What is the commando? Was he in the commandos, like a commando force? Is that the group? Right. How many wars are Canadiansadians fighting were they big participants i didn't know they had commandos commandos i've killed many times before in the commandos like he's saying i don't want to kill again right but i will i think he just gave a menacing word right out of his back pocket in the

uh in the commandos the commandos that's where killed. Whenever those guys fight, that's where I killed. So now, while this was all going on, the five minute interval of him kind of giving up and seeing that these people have no power to change the Leafs game and I probably overplayed

my hand a little bit here. Anyway, maybe. I can't breathe. I might have took it a little far. Yeah, I'm shaking. I need a drink real fucking.

That's what he was like. That drink is sounding better and better right now. You guys got any whiskey around here? I'm fucked up. He kept like a tall boy in the car for when he gets out. When I'm done, I'm going to slam this thing.

I'm going to hit that blue in my passenger seat. You bet your ass. So he slips out the back door, Prentice does, the program director, and he talks to the police who have already arrived, because it's kind of a small town. And if you say, hey, there's an armed man coming, the Mounties come a-running. So he says that Roy is leaving through the front.

You know, he's going through the front. Prentiss went out the back. So police come around the side of the building and Roy catches one of them, sees them coming and shoots at him.

Oh, my God. Roy shoots Constable Dave. It just got real. It just got really real. This went from this crazy son of a bitch to you're shooting at cops. He just retreated

and he's like, I really fucked up. I need to go home. And then he sees cops and starts shooting. And starts shooting. Unbelievable. And he hit one? It's that commando's training that he has.

He can't help it. It's reflex damage, Jimmy. He can't help it. And he did. He hit one. Absolutely. Unbelievable. He hits Constable Dave Pidruckny in the leg.

A guy in a no doubt super furry hat with the flaps that cover his ears. Oh, God, Jesus. He had the red... Yeah, it was a complete stereotype, I'm sure. And the down feathers flew out of the pant leg. Oh, just puffy. The layers of flannel opened up and the light came out and his soul escaped. But he doesn't die.

Old Constable Dave here. He's shot in the leg. He's going to be fine. Another officer coming from the other side opens fire on Roy and hits Roy. Oh no.

As that's happening, they're calling the ambulance because they know this is not going to end well as soon as someone hits gunshots. Ambulance gets there, they pick Roy up,

they take him to the hospital, he is dead on arrival at the hospital. Oh shit. So this night has gone way fucking sideways. This started off, this is the proudest day of my life. I have a new antenna. You know the pride in 1970 to get any kind of new antenna? Any kind of new electronic equipment, especially something cool. And who knows if those people had TV to pick the shit up. He was like, I have the power. And he headbutted a co-pilot like Chris Adams.

But no, I mean, he's screwing that thing in, probably going, yeah, look at this shit right here. It's the brass one, the yellow one. It's big and tall. He's like, that's right. He's pouring drinks. He's like, let's do this. Flicks on the screen. And he had no idea that in two hours he'd be shot dead

out in front of a police station 85 miles from his house. Brian is... Defending his boy's honor. Defending his boy's honor and the honor of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

So... Brian has no idea this is going on. He's playing. Still, I'm still proud of him. As my dad. He tried.

That's fucking incredible. That's dedication. Maybe a little misplaced. Yeah. But, you know, thanks for still proud of him. As my dad. That's fucking incredible. That's dedication. Maybe a little misplaced. Yeah. But, you know, thanks for the passion, Dad. You really went the extra mile. Leafs won the game 2-1, in case that matters. He died for a good game.

He died for a good game. He would have seen his kid at Leafs. Imagine if they lost like 6-0. Horrible. And that's what he wanted to see. He held people at gunpoint to see this team lose 6-0. He died for glory. They notified Brian after the game.

That's some kind of fucking roller coaster there. Horrible. Now, I got this article, an article that had a lot of these details, out of the December 13, 1970 issue of the Toledo Blade newspaper from Toledo, Ohio. I found a copy of that. Now, also I found in there a couple very interesting things. You can head down to the Medic Discount Center and you can get yourself a pack of 32 assorted Christmas cards for 68 cents.

Wow. Down from $1.25. Get everybody on your Christmas card list done. Done. Also, you can get yourself a nice bottle of high karate cologne for 97 cents. Fuck yeah. Regular $1.50, so that's a 52 cent savings. You want to get on that

and smell like shit. That's a 30% saving. Smell like you live in the woods. Smell like shit. Also, another very interesting item. They had a lot of radios that looked like other shit in the picture.

I found a radio that looks like a knight's helmet for $14.88. Awesome. Why you would want that, I have no idea. It's down from 1995 also too just in case there's an ad for kellogg's all brand and it reads in large letters

constipated due to lack of food bulk in your diet try kellogg's all brand food bulk food bulk try our cereal it's food bulk that doesn't sound like a good advertisement. Not lack of fiber. Lack of food bulk. Lack of food bulk. Lack of actual food in your diet. Now, yeah, that's the problem. Now, with this story, I also found, right next to the story of Roy, I found a great story of a guy named Frank Zopko. Okay, this poor bastard. This is fucking hilarious. named Frank Zopko, okay? This poor bastard. This is fucking hilarious, man.

Sidetrack on this story into another crime story that's hilarious. Frank Zopko, he's 49 years old of Toledo back then here. A man with a knife came up to him and tried to mug him, okay?

So Frank, trying to get out of it, this Frank Zopko guy says, here comes the police, he screams, right? He's like, hey, no, the police, right? So the robber...

Hey, look over there. Hey, look, the police. He made you police right so the robber look over there hey look the police made you look so the robber turns and runs away because he just oh shit the police he runs away gets about a half a block and looks around and realizes there's no police so he turns back around runs back and stabs frank stabs this guy right in the chest and steals his watch and then runs away again that's the funniest fucking story I've ever heard in my life. He turned back around and said,

hey, dick, you stabbed him. There's no cops. There's no cops. That's great. I can stab you now. And he goes down, stole his watch.

Don't feel too bad for Frank Zopko because he was in fairly good condition at the Mercy Hospital in Toledo. That's an interesting way to say it.

Fairly good. That was the official terminology. Fairly good. He's all right. That's fascinating. They said, doctor, what's your medical opinion? And the doctor said, he's all right. Fairly good. He's all right. I don't know. He's fairly good. We'll see. We'll see how it goes. Now they've got one that's like critical condition. I have no fucking idea. And there's no fairly good. No, no fairly good. So December 13th, 1970, which is the next day, despite his father's death, Brian travels to Buffalo with the team and plays in a game. They have a team game the next night.

He has three assists in a four nothing win over Buffalo. It's a game of his life here. After the game, he heads back to Fort St. John for the funeral, obviously. He was key and instrumental in three of the four goals he scored. Yeah, he actually got an assist. He got the puck to the guy that scored. That's incredible. That's like Brett Favre after his dad died having that big Monday night game. I think that's what it is.

Only it's a little different. A little different. We have an In Their Own Words on his dad's crime here. And it's one way to look at it. He actually had something to say. He had something to say. He had a lot to say about it, actually. Really?

More later, too. Here we go. In Their Own Words, quote, My dad just loved people. Can you understand? Except for constables. I can think of some people he didn't love.

My dad just loved people. Can you understand? He wanted his friends, the people that he loved to see me because he was so proud of me. Yes, he had a temper. I have a temper.

You're a product of your environment. It's not his fault. He's good now. What the fuck? My dad loved people except for those that broadcast

the wrong game. Except for... Guys that opened fire on him. Those son of a bitches down at CKPG. Those bastards can suck it.

And everybody that tried to calm him down leaving the house. No shit. Oh, God. The neighbors are like, what happened to Roy? And they kept the TV on

and they're like, they see it on the news. Oh, my God. Jesus. Roy freaked out. He didn't love people. Yeah, they're in the woods on, and they're like, they see it on the news. Oh, my God. Jesus. Roy freaked out. He didn't love people. Yeah, they're in the woods. They had to figure out how this happened.

So, 70-71 season continues for Spencer here with the Leafs. He plays in 50 games, has nine goals, 15 assists, 115 penalty minutes, so he's killing it. He's taking his rage out. Yeah, that's a good rookie season for him. He plays in the playoffs. He had one assist and 17 penalty minutes in six games. Awesome.

Didn't play that much, but that's fine. Yeah, absolutely. 71-72 season we go to. Plays with Tulsa. Starts out in Tulsa again. They start him out down there. Plays 23 games down there. Seven goals, seven assists.

115 penalty minutes again. Holy shit. Same shit. Good God. 71-72 season. 36 games with Toronto. One goal. 5-6. 65 penalty minutes that year. Okay. Now,

that's his career with Toronto, the Maple Leafs, because on June 6, 1972, nothing he did wrong. He's left unprotected by the Maple Leafs in the expansion draft. there are two new teams coming into the league and every team

had to leave who were they it was the New York Islanders coming in and also the Atlanta Flames who then moved to Calgary to become the Calgary Flames in 1980

which is why I knew they were there in 1980 I have no fucking idea it's just I remember reading this gorgeous and I remembered it you did

you retained it you're welcome, Canada. I give a shit. Yeah, Canada. This is for you, Canada, you sons of bitches. So he's left unprotected by the Leafs, like I said.

He's claimed by the New York Islanders on waivers. He's a young guy with a lot of heart and they're like, hey, this is going to be a good guy to have

on your team. He's going to New York. He's going to try hard. He's going to goddamn New York now. He's going from the backwoods with a fucking

rock quarry ice rink. He's basically like rural Willie Mays Aikens and he's claiming to, yeah, this is insane. The largest market in America. Yeah. Now Toronto also was kind of sad to get rid of him. Toronto general manager Jim Gregory wrote Spencer a note that said, quote, it was with a great amount of apprehension that our organization decided to leave you unprotected. So they want to let him know you weren't being a shithead. We liked you. We just rostered.

Sorry about your dad. It's math. It's math. Sorry about your dad. Kind of bad publicity. Let's see how it goes. So 72-73 season is his first full-time, not down in the minors at all, NHL season for the Islanders. He plays in 78 games, 14 goals, 24 assists, 90 penalty minutes, has a great season.

He's integral. Absolutely. He's 23 years old. Jesus. He's an alternate captain on the team because as an expansion team, that's a bunch of young guys and has-beens. And he's seasoned. He's been in the league.

He's voted most popular by the Islanders Booster Club in 73. He plays like a maniac. And they love his stories. You can't, and that's the thing. He's this guy who claims he's from the backwoods, shooting elk out of his window, and he's the craziest guy on the ice, the hardest worker, fighting and everything. It's hard not to like this guy.

He's a fucking stud. If you like hockey in the 70s, this is the guy you want to watch. This is your guy. 73-74 season. He plays in 54 games for the Islanders. Five goals, 16 assists, 65 penalty minutes. Not bad. Not too bad.

He was a little banged up, I think, that year. Starts to get crazy with his personality a little more. Little things start coming out. He carries a large hunting knife strapped to his calf on commercial airline flights. What the fuck? This is pre-airline security when, you know, they just, you know, you don't have a gun? Okay, get on the flight. They didn't care. There's no body scanner.

No, and he had a giant crocodile dundee buoy knife strapped to his calf. Pretty to field dress a moose. At 30,000 feet. I don't know why you need that. That makes no sense just in case just in case our path yeah although you know what back then though the skyjackings were a huge deal yeah that's that's always a big i mean it was every other day there was skyjacking so maybe that's what he was thinking i'll cut one of these guys heads off which he probably would have and

skinned him out and hung you know trees the product of his environment he's a product of his environment his temper he'll field dress him like a fucking deer and hang him from a tree hang him from the fucking overhead yeah all right there we got him in the bin that's all good now all right sit down hey i give him a southern accent and throw an a on the end because that's how i feel like to him i picture him like a redneck in america we can't picture these northern rednecks rednecks are southern yeah to, and that's, sorry, south also. We love you guys. They still wear red flannel.

That's what they have in common. Absolutely. He always had weapons. Islander's teammate Terry Crisp said, quote, He always loved guns. He always had pistols and rifles and was so keen to show you the guns he owned. I'd say, put those away, will you? He's just waving guns around.

Hey, check this one out hey guys look at my gun oh my god it's so funny 13 year old he is that's the thing that's what he is he's this kid from the woods he doesn't have any koof he's a nutty kid from the woods now march 10th 1974 he's traded by the islanders to the buffalo sabers for doug rombau and he's a mediocre center i looked at my he's what nothing special about him new yorkau, and he's a mediocre center. I looked him up. He has nothing special about him. He's still in New York. He's still, yeah, not quite the same, but he's close to Toronto now.

Still paying the same taxes like state taxes. Yeah, state taxes. And Buffalo now, they were excited about this trade. They were a team that was kind of on the cusp. They were a good team, and they were trying to go to that next level, and they were excited. They thought they needed a work-hard, kick-ass kind of a guy like this guy with guns hey who carries a bowie knife strapped to his calf on the ice so long time buffalo

equipment manager rick simenik rip simenik what rip rip unbelievable rip we got stud rip this is great what a terrible name god i thought for sure. God. I thought for sure, he says, quote, I thought for sure we would win the Stanley Cup when we got him. He was that piece of the puzzle we needed. You knew when he was on the ice. You better be on your toes because he's going to nail you. Nice. So he's going to try to have sex with you apparently on the ice, but that's fine.

He's going to drill you out there. He's like the guy in McHale's Navy in the movie when the general's like, I need a guy with a dick tattoo. That's the guy. And he's like, incidentally, I do have a dick tattoo. I need a guy whose dad threatened a man's life for putting the wrong hockey game on. So he only plays the last little bit of the season. This is toward the end of the season they trade him.

I think they needed someone to try to get a playoff run going. 13 games he plays in. Three goals, two assists. Only four penalty minutes in 13 games. Just not feeling it. Maybe sad. Sad to leave Long Island. Missing dad a little. Now, old Rip Simanek here, the equipment

manager, remembers asking Spencer asking him at one point to help him fill out some insurance forms all right they want to know what they were talking about or he's an idiot basically brian so simonak asked him a question about his family history simonik asked him a question about his family history and says quote one of the scariest moments of my whole career was when i started asking questions i asked about his father and he snapped you know what happened Oh, shit. Nice.

And then he says also, he clicked out, but then he calmed down quickly. He was very erratic in his emotions. He's just a nut. Very erratic. That death is just simmering beneath, though. It's simmering so deeply that he carries the names of the three Mounties involved in his father's shooting around in his wallet for the next decade. Wow. Absolutely.

That's how this is in his fucking head. He wants revenge. He wants revenge. You know what I just realized real quick, going back to that McHale Navy quote that I did? The guy that delivered that quote, his name incidentally, was Rip. Rip. There wants revenge. You know what I just realized real quick, going back to that McHale Navy quote that I did? The guy that delivered that quote, his name incidentally, was Rip. Rip. It was Rip.

There you go. The guy from, what's his last name? I forget. It's not Rip Torn, it's the other Rip in movies. Yeah, I don't know. Rip is also Hulk Hogan's character's name in No Holds Barred. Hilarious.

Rip him. What a fucking name. Rip him. Rip him. What a terrible name. So 74-75 season for Buffalo. It was his best year in the pros. 73 games, 12 goals, 29 assists, 77 penalty minutes.

Had four assists in 16 playoff games. Only eight penalty minutes in the playoffs. So, he could control himself. He wasn't like Durbano. Yeah. When they said, hey, play it tight out there, he wasn't going out and trying to cut people's throats with a stick. He was playing it tight with the names of

the Mounties in his pocket. Buffalo goes all the way to the finals that year. They lose the series four games to two against the Philadelphia Flyers and Bobby Clark that got drafted with them that year. So he lost in game six. Game six. Yeah, they went all the way.

They did great. Great. He's living the dream. He's living the dream. Absolutely. Granted, it's a second-place finish, but it's still pretty fucking successful in hockey. It's going well, man. I mean, that's amazing. 75-76 Buffalo.

Again, 13 goals, 26 assists, 70 penalty minutes. So pretty much the same season. Real good season. Top-notch playoffs. Nine games, one goal, only four penalty minutes. So pretty much the same season. Real good season. Top notch. Playoffs, nine games, one goal, only four penalty minutes. Nothing big happens. Things go downhill in 76-77. 77 games, 14 goals, 15 assists, 55 penalty minutes. No stats in the playoffs. Just didn't do shit. Started to kind of go downhill a little bit. It's weird. He's only 27, but he's just not... That's just not I think his style of play

takes a toll on you and I don't know if you have the energy to throw yourself at people into your later years I think that's a problem summer of 1977

he does one of the funniest fucking things ever this shows you this guy's personality he's amazing with anything mechanical first of all great

with anything mechanical terrific just like his dad just like his dad has a certain thing he can fix things he likes cars he put he worked on a 20 1927 car one time and got it to run and shit when he was like younger like he's just always working on cars that was also on the questionnaire that he like worked on cars and he put what he increased the horsepower of his one we'll post it on our social media, these pictures.

It's amazing. I chased down some guys on a manhunt in a 27 car I built. Well, this car that he built, he could chase down Mad Max in this fucking thing. This is the summer of 77 in the off season. He draws up the plans for and builds a vehicle he calls the Hulk. Awesome. Okay. for and builds a vehicle he calls the hulk awesome okay it is a two and a half ton army truck that he has taken and installed the instrument panel from a dc3 airplane on what the okay he

equips it with a generator a refrigerator a tv a vcr and a bed and all of them are on gauges he can monitor all of it with the dc yeah With the DC, yeah, with a goddamn airplane. What a crazy car. That's insane. This is what he builds, and he's like, yep, that's my car. That's it. That's what I'm going to drive to practice. He's an eclectic guy.

He's got a personality, and he wants to show his personality, too. He's not afraid to show his personality. He wants to really let it shine, and so far he gets attention when he does that, so he likes it, and it's good attention. And we'll hear how much the attention of the fans mean to him in a little while

in a quote about his wife that's one of my favorite things that it's good attention. And we'll hear how much the attention of the fans mean to him in a little while in a quote about his wife that's one of my favorite things that anyone's ever said on this show. September 20th, 1977. So this is right after the Hulk gets completed. He's traded from Buffalo to Pittsburgh for Ron Schock. Ron Schock,

this was, they were just getting rid of him, man, because Ron Schock played his, this was his final season in the NHL. They went ahead for Buffalo, played in 40 games, 4 goals, 4 assists. He was a guy who played, had a long career, 15-year career that was just done at the end of his career. And that's like his twilight and his second encore. Yeah, he was 35 years old, I think, at the time. Ron Schuch, I mean, that's who they traded him for.

His goodbye. Yeah. So he plays for Pittsburgh, 78-79. Plays in 79 games, so, I mean, he's out Yeah. So he plays for Pittsburgh, 78-79. Plays in 79 games. So, I mean, he's out there. Nine goals, 11 assists, 81 penalty minutes. Not terrible. He's still in there.

He's still playing. Now, people like him. His teammate, he's got a teammate named Rick Martin from Buffalo. He has a wife, Rick Martin. Rick Martin's going to come up a lot through the years in this story. His wife, Mikey, has a lot of quotes about Brian that are great. We're going to get into one of these quotes. Mikey said about him, quote,

he was a teddy bear that people took advantage of, whether it was women, whether it was guys using him as a celebrity, whatever. So people she's saying at this point, people are taking advantage of him. He's an idiot. And he is like a rural guy. I don't know what kind of savvy, what kind of savviness he was. I'm not saying he's dumb, just what kind of savviness you would have with idiot. And he is like a rural guy. I don't know what kind of savvy, what kind of savviness

he would have. I'm not saying he's dumb, just what kind of savviness he would have with people. And he probably enjoys having a friend around. And that friend just ends up taking advantage of him. And that's the thing too. Maybe he's lonely. He's looking for approval always, like his dad thing. This is his dad. Whatever the psychology of it is, he needs approval from people. That piece that

he had that his dad supported, that support pillar is gone. So he's trying to fill it with everything he can. Yeah piece that he had that his dad supported, that support pillar is gone, so he's trying to fill it with everything he can. Yeah, and he wants the approval so bad, he'll get out there on the ice, go out, throw himself at somebody, whatever, just to hear a cheer. Yeah.

I did good. Okay, good. And get the coach to pat him on the ass. Because I don't have my dad to call me and tell me, great job. Yeah, because that's what his dad would do, and now his dad has been... His career mirrors his dad's robbery, too.

It really does. He just put everything into it, and then overplayed, and now he's got to back out so does his life jimmy we're gonna get there so does his life uh 78 79 is when it's it starts dead it's just dying in hockey seven games only for pittsburgh no stats only had two shots uh third place 39 games for the binghamton dustusters of the AHL, which is their minor league team. Five goals, nine assists, 58 penalty minutes. It's about over.

It's about over. 79-80, he plays for the Springfield Indians, the Hershey Bears. Oh, no. Not a lot of stats. Playing for anything Springfield? Yeah, that's going to be bad. They don't even know what state that is. No one with any marketing savvy would name your team after a city

which... Who do you state? Don't even bother sharpening the skates anymore. Forget it. Because it doesn't matter. Doesn't do anything. He's 30 at this point and he's done. Yeah.

I mean, he's only 30. Jesus. Not great. Hope he made enough money. He did not make enough money, as a matter of fact. In 1982, he starts working as a mechanic. Fuck.

And at an electrical contracting company called Fishback and More. That's the only other fuck I found that. Somebody brings in their Tercel. He's like, you know, I got an old DC Niner airplane. I could make this thing go in the water, is all I'm saying. I'm just saying I could make an amphibious. Now, I don't know if you want an amphibious, Tercel. I live in the desert. But I could make it, eh? There's no water near me. Yeah. I can make an amphibious. Now, I don't know if you want an amphibious, Tersell. I live in the desert.

But I can make it, eh? There's no water near me. Yeah. I can make it happen. Eh? If a lake appears, you're in good shape. I can do it, goddammit, now. Do you like fishing?

I'll take you fishing. I catch fish all the time. On your Tersell. Let's do it. So he's drinking heavily at this point. Drinking his ass off. Of course. That he got it from his dad. They're hardcore alcoholics.

He gets in barroom brawls and shit like that. He's getting in fights. He's just, he's drunk all the time. Yeah. Also continues drug use that he started a little bit while he was playing. Okay. And boy, does he like cocaine. Wow.

He loves him some cocaine. Why do they do that? Specifically crack. Really? He loves crack some cocaine. Why do they do that? Specifically crack. Really? He loves crack. Loves it. Oh, it's the best. Jesus Christ.

He's like, Tim Hortons, fuck that. Do they have crack now? Because then I'll go. If not. That's what I want. I don't want any shitty fucking donuts or sausages or anything. I want crack. That's crazy.

It's weird. From the backwoods, now he's smoking crack. Jesus. What a difference, right? Now, on his relationships, before we get into a woman in his life that really changes his life a lot, let's get into something that he said about women here, which is amazing. There's an in their own words about women. Just his whole general thoughts.

His view of women. His view on getting married. Yeah. Things of that nature nature let's get into this here in their own words quote women want to change you they say they love you for what you are and you get married and then they try to change you they want to make you a wimp when i was with the sabers my wife would say jim schoenfeld's jim schoenfeld just bought his wife a fur coat and he's taking his wife to vegas you know what i tell her? I'm married to my fans, the people.

If you want fur coats and trips to Vegas, marry Jim Schoenfeld. Get off my back. Look, I know I wasn't the best husband, but when women want to get between a man and his job, dot, dot, dot. That's the quote. That's awesome. Like, fuck that. Yeah. That's what he said.

I'm out. You want trips to Vegas and fur coats, you marry that kind of guy. Go find him. I'm married to the fans. Talk about a codependent son of a bitch. He's like a Marine. I need approval. When a Marine says, if the government wanted me to have a wife, then it issued me one.

I'm married to the core. That's what this guy thinks. He's married to the, what a fucking loon. So January 1982, he meets a lady. He meets a lady. If you want to call her a lady. She's not much of a lady. Her name is Diane Delina.

He meets her after working on her car. He gets to know her from working on her car. A DC-9 or gauge cluster in her car. Absolutely. She is a prostitute. Oh, Jesus. She is a call girl escort, but a prostitute. And she works for a

company called Fantasy Island Escorts. Sounds pleasurable. Sounds top notch. Sounds classy. Where she goes by the name Crystal, which was like an 80s name. Now that's like a 50 year old woman who smokes too much. Back then, that was considered sexy. Crystal then showed up with a bag of crystal meth

with her. Also also do you think escort would be some classy woman yeah it shows up she's an escort you're calling she's coming not some dirt bag living in a fucking in a dingy trailer with a crackhead ex-hockey player because that's what she ends up doing she ends up moving in with him into his crappy little tiny shitbox trailer that smells like grease oh grease and ball Yeah. It's disgusting in there. They're living together. What is he doing, first of all?

And it's like, and she's working. She's not hiding it. She goes, all right, I'm going to go fuck three guys. He's like,

see you later. I'll come back with a sticky twat. He goes and tries to find another woman too and they don't care. It's this weird kind of mutually beneficial.

Mutually disgusting. Friends with benefits that live in a trailer together in the woods. It's disgusting. Yeah, too and they don't care it's this weird kind of mutually beneficial mutually disgusting friends with benefits that live in a trailer together in the woods it's disgusting yeah or not in the woods this isn't and he's got kids oh he's got he is eventually not right this minute but eventually he ends up with two wives five kids fuck five kids total this guy fucking and he's got a kid at this point and he's i think he has three right now. I'm pretty sure he has three kids at the moment. He's introducing them to her. Oh, they're not around. He's abandoned them.

He's long abandoned his family. Really? What do you think? He sees his kids? You think he takes care of his kids, Jimmy? Get the fuck out of here. He's not taking care of his kids. He's hanging out with prostitutes in a trailer.

That was another presumption. Good God, Jimmy. What do you think? They're coming over and he's watching them and they're seeing bad things? He likes crack. He's not a father. He's not a father.

He's not taking them out on the playground with his crack whore fucking hooker girlfriend. So Diane Delina at this point has a quote about him. She says, quote, he had some serious issues that I didn't recognize. I just idolized him as being an athlete. He was upset he had to grow up the way he did, but he felt that that got him to the NHL and made him feel like a champion. People don't realize the mental and physical sacrifices of what they do. He felt the whole NHL did not treat him with the respect that he deserved. That is a fucking...

It's a statement. That's a lot of words coming from a hooker. Coming from a hooker. Crystal, the hooker. a lot of words coming from a hooker. Coming from a hooker. Crystal, the hooker. That's a very,

a very just, she just knew what she wanted to say and she got it all out. And they're, by the way, where do you think they're living right now?

Is it a, hold on, they're living, let me just set the scene for you. What town? Let me just set, you don't have to tell,

they're living, hockey players, that doesn't matter, the sport. Yeah. Ex-athlete, living in a shitty trailer, doing some mechanic work, living with a prostitute that goes by the name of Crystal.

What state are they in? West Virginia. No, no. Jimmy, it's what state are they in in this country? No way. Are they in Arizona? No. Where?

Florida. Where else would they fucking be but Florida? Good God. Like, moths to the flame, my friend. gators in florida oh god he lives in a swamp that's the other thing this area northern florida this area it's no it's by west palm it's by there but like a shit way out on the outskirts oh god and this was 1982 or whatever too so it wasn't as built up probably but they said it was such a gross area basically anywhere you stepped would either be alive or would squish

gross or would crumble beneath your feet gross they said it was just all swamp he lived in a trailer on a swamp with a cooker named Crystal

awesome and had a crack problem outside Orlando wow what a fucking mess right Jesus now that happens

they're living together but he owns the land but he he owns the swamp, probably, yeah. It's his. So one night here, February 3rd, 1982. Perfect. We enter Michael Dolfo.

Now, Michael Dolfo is not, neither do they know these people. Michael Dolfo is like a half-ass connected Italian dude who lives in Florida. And he's just, he owned a restaurant with his mother and after it closed it got torched a couple months later mysteriously and he wears the

fucking horn like my grandmother gave me when I was nine you know one of those fucking horns the real fucking guinea horn that I won't wear

because it's really embarrassing one of those you know what I mean so yeah basically this guy likes his hookers obviously

because he's a dirtbag he lives in a nice condo in the, like, PGA area over there. He calls Fantasy Island escorts, and he gets Delaina. Or Delina. Diane Delina. She comes. Crystal. Crystal.

Now, apparently, Crystal was watching him do tons of coke. He was doing bunches and bunches of coke and couldn't get it up. So he's got a coke dick. She hangs out for while then she's like i got another appointment i gotta go she's he said no no stay stay stay i'll pay you more than whatever and he said here i'll write you a check and she said i can't take a check and she said i'll write it for cash it doesn't matter and but i guess staying past the allotted time and taking checks both against fantasy island's strict employee handbook code that's literally what she said it was against company policy jesus god strict prostitute policy so uh he tries to put a 75 personal check in her hand and she puts it back on the table and she's mad at him because she doesn't she's like look

dude i'm just gotta fucking leave she leaves leaves. Dolfo calls Fantasy Island back, orders two more girls. They show up. When they get there, he says they're dogs and slams the door in their face. Hilarious. He's judgy about it. Quote, dogs.

Yeah, that's what they said. He's got standards. So then he goes back in after shooing them away, orders another girl. They don't send another one this time. They're like, fuck this guy. He's crazy.

So he calls another escort service, Rainbow Escorts, which nowadays you would not call for a straight relationship if you were a man. You would think

that was definitely not that. They will send you a big, fat, hairy man. Absolutely. They send over a girl. She arrives at 3.30 in the morning and she walks up

and finds Dolfo's condo door wide open first of all he's having prostitutes multiple prostitutes come to his home in and out crazy uh the door's open wide open nobody's there uh-oh so she's like what the fuck's up with that not even a coke dick man stop inviting hookers to your house maybe shit like that won't happen so he's gone this broad's like what happened it's 3 30 in the morning she broad's like, what happened? It's 3.30 in the morning. She turns around, goes back. What happened to Michael Dolfo, right? So the next morning, it's February 4th, 1982. We have a truck driver named Albert Breen.

He's on his way to a sewage treatment plant and sees what he thinks is a dummy about 60 feet off the road on this auxiliary road to the sewage treatment plant. He goes. He drops off his load or whatever. He leaves. He sees the things still there. Drops off the sewage treatment plant. He goes. He drops off his load or whatever. He leaves. He sees the things still there. Drops off his sewage.

He sees buzzards circling. So he's like, that's not a dummy. He gets out, goes and looks at it. It's Michael Dolfo, and he's still alive. Oh, my God. He shot twice in the head with a.25 caliber gun. He's still breathing. Holy shit.

So this guy goes and gets the paramedics. They come. They get him. They bring Dolfo to the hospital. He dies at 3.36 p.m. This is like 12 hours later. He was laying there. If they got him 10 hours ago, he would have been fine.

Buzzards circling him. Absolutely. He dies at Palm Beach Gardens Community Hospital, 3.36 p.m. He's dead. Did he talk? No. He was shot in the nose and the face like he had he wasn't conscious he was just barely breathing all right so shallow breathing shallow breathe exactly just saw his

chest moving but i mean 10 hours earlier breathing yeah emphysema he's like you're breathing like my dad if spencer had anything to do with it i will leave you right here police questioned delena within a week of the murder they get to her She says that she left Dalfo around midnight and went to a West Palm Hotel for her next appointment. That's it. I don't know anything about it. Police, for some reason, had a thought that Spencer had something to do with it

this whole time. And in all the investigations, they said that one, because they talked to all the call girls that he was with, and they were like, that one lives with a crazy ex-NHL crackhead in a trailer in the swamp. Maybe it that still talk to them and i don't know if maybe they think it's from like maybe he had a bunch of coke and they said let's go get his coke or what maybe i heard

what his dad did but uh now a friend this is a off this this is about about him in this era a friend of his about spencer dan Dan Martinetti said that, quote, he used to talk about playing, but he loved working with his hands, fixing equipment, more than hockey. He went from nothing to having everything and then went back to chop baloney. But he didn't care about money.

He still doesn't. You could give him $100,000 and he'd look at it and then go spend it on tools and equipment. And crack. Lots of fucking crack. So this is a bad time for brian's life here 1982 to 1985 he is arrested five times for drunk driving five times loses his license yeah obviously because he's being arrested constantly and here is here is just it's one of these things are all

the same these arrests so here's a highlight from from one of these arrests here in a second in november 1984 from one of his duis november 1984 uh he is arrested for drunk driving in florida down south southern florida yeah this is his behavior from the police report this is a quote from the police report quote subject was combative saying if i did not have a uniform on he would he would kick my ass asked if i get an orgasm for arresting him. Holy shit. That's what he's telling the guy. Picture him drunk. That's a drunk man.

You didn't have that uniform on. Fuck you up, man. You're fucking getting a nut off of this shit for arresting me. Oh, but you just came. Hey. Hey. Hey. And he's losing his mind.

He tries to build a house and a shop in Loxahatchee florida which is another horribly swampy shit dump runs out of money runs out of money it just leaks right into the swamp and it's gone out of there so he doesn't crack dealers pockets uh now 1984 november crack dealers pockets november of 1984 same time he's getting that arrest uh diane is leaving her life behind she's living in a fucking julia roberts movie what she meets a man she he knows nothing about her past doesn't know she was a prostitute doesn't know she was a crackhead doesn't know she's questioned by the police for this murder knows nothing just thinks she's a nice girl and fucking marries her and she fucks in november and she fucks like a chick like bam i hit the jackpot fucks like she knows what she's doing she gets

married has two kids over the next two years with this guy moving on with their life does well in and she fucks like a chick. She's like, bam, I hit the jackpot. Fucks like she knows what she's doing. She gets married, has two kids over the next two years with this guy. Moving on with her life. Does well in real estate. What? They're comfortable. They're very financially stable

and sound. Everything's going well for Diane. She's having a great time. Except for the cops are about to tell that man some shit. Everything's going great for her. Great.

Until 1986. Late 1986, when Diane Delaney, who's now Diane Fialco, she's married, is at work, and she looks up, and there's a subpoena in her face.

Oh my gosh. She gets subpoenaed. She's a real estate agent. She's subpoenaed to do this, and she's like, oh shit, what's going on here? Oh my God, I used to sell my pussy. They pull her, yeah.

There's a murder thief that I was sort of involved in they pull her in they offer her use immunity uh which this means that if they will not prosecute her for anything that she says and implicating herself in any crime that she tells on somebody else but she's going to go to jail if she doesn't testify so basically they're saying we want you to say this and if you don't we're going to put you in jail. That's some gangster shit. That's some gangster shit. The police reiterate that they've always suspected Spencer for all this shit. Now, at the time, too, Diane, when this whole thing happened in 82, she's 22 years old.

She's still only 26. She's a kid. She tells them now, after all this time, that she went on a date with Michael Delfo. Like she said, he was coked out of his mind, blah, blah, blah. Couldn't get it up. She said she refused with the check and all that, just like she said. But she starts adding more now. Now she says she thought that he followed her home at one point.

So she went home to try to find Brian for help. Brian wasn't home so she said she went to a bar called The Banana Boat and told Brian where Brian liked

to hang out and drink and told Brian that she's afraid Delpho might have followed her home and then she goes to her next appointment at a West Palm Beach hotel.

That's what she's saying now. Then she says after the appointment an hour later she meets Brian back at the shithole trailer back at fucking Dingy Central and she says Was it a worn out giner? Yeah, she says, after the appointment, an hour later, she meets Brian back at the shithole trailer, back at fucking Dingy Central.

Yep. And she says that. With a worn out giner. Yeah, she says, look, let's just let it go with this Dolfo guy. Maybe he didn't follow me home. Maybe he's just being a weirdo. I'm sure he's just coked out. And Spencer said what?

Spencer insisted on making this right. Yeah. So he said, let's go. We're getting in the car right now. Grab my rifle. Grab my pistol. Where's the TV station? We're going.

Right? So they go to Dolfo's condo. She said that she thought he was just going to scare Dolfo or at the most rough him up a little bit. You know, say, don't fuck with a woman, whatever. She says that she was hoping also that they would get to the condos and she could kind of be like, oh, they all look alike. I don't remember which one it is. I don't remember which one had the limp dick i don't remember where this guy is but she had described the guy earlier and lucky for them he was waiting outside for the next prostitutes to

come in the driveway wearing a black bikini swimsuit and a gold chain like a complete douchebag gold chain with the horn and black speedos he's wearing limp coke dick in florida in the 80s what a fucking stereotype this guy is smooth in front like kendall that's god damn it uh so she says she didn't remember she said spencer got out of the car confronted him she says she didn't remember him using a gun to get delfo into the car but he got him into the car and they drove to a secluded road off PGA Boulevard that leads to a wastewater management treatment plant. Uh-oh. Yeah. This is starting to come together a little bit here.

She said that they get out of the car and Palfo says to... He pulls Spencer out of the car and Dalfo says to Spencer, if you touch me, I'll call my lawyer, which would be an odd thing to do when someone kidnaps you and takes you to a field. Your lawyer's not a part of this anymore. This is a one-on-one conversation at this point.

Your lawyer's not going to help. If you touch me, you're going to have to talk to my lawyer. Yeah, you're not downtown at this point. Listen, hairy chest, you're about to die. Listen, I'm from the woods. I'll field dress you right here, you son of a bitch. So she says that this infuriated Brian, the lawyer thing, and the fighting got louder. She says before anything happened, she just ran away.

She ran toward the main road and just didn't want any part of it. She's such a dainty little flower that God forbid. So she says five minutes later, she said she never heard gunshots either. Five minutes later, Brian pulled up alongside her on the road and picked her up and she just assumed that brian beat him up didn't ask she just assumed that's the first question i asked what'd you do to him they drove away assuming went to a waffle house and just had a nice night i don't know what the fuck happened to go get his lawyer we'll go get ours yeah exactly so obviously this new this new story is a little troublesome for brian uh on spencer here a palm beach county

sheriff department lieutenant pat mccutcheson said quote from the outset of the investigation we looked at him as a suspect but because of lack of cooperation from delena we couldn't implicate him right a couple of things we thought a couple of times we thought she would testify but she changed her mind maybe out of affection maybe out of fear right so whatever so june 18th 1987 brian's oblivious this is five years in the past he doesn't care it's gone he's drinking a gin and tonic with a friend sounds delicious yep at the l sid bar about 8 30 p.m in florida there spencer's friend goes to a pay phone to call a cab for him because he said he said i'll call a cab for you need a cab i I'll call a cab for you. You need a cab? I'll get it. A few minutes later, an undercover sheriff

named William Springer comes in and says, taxi. And so, Brian gets up and goes and gets in the taxi. Taxi takes him

to the Mount Vernon Motor Lodge. He tells the driver, hold on a minute. He goes and talks to somebody. Goes in, comes back outside to full-on siege. You betcha.

Like Ray Liotta back around to the driveway and good fellas. What the fuck? What the fuck is this? Lots of blue and red lights flashing. Yeah, blue helicopters, dog. Oh my god. Dogs, every goddamn cop

in West Palm Beach just full-on. And he's like, what happened? He's like, I don't even know. So he struggles for a little bit because they freaked him out. He tries to fight him off a little, but there's a hundred of them. They get him in a couple minutes.

So he's sitting in... Blue knife is useless at this point absolutely he's sitting in jail now waiting trial he's got a public defender he has no money he sends out letters to magazines yeah it's like pleading his case yeah because they're because he feels like the his lawyers do they feel like they're convicting him in court of public opinion before anything he is on trial for murder and kidnapping facing the electric chair in florida in florida in the 80s electric chair this isn't 20 years this is death penalty they're looking at him for they want to kill him yeah yeah the same shit they did to ted bundy they want to do to this fucking idiot yeah so he says this is a letter in the part of the letter that he sent out to multiple magazines from prison.

He says, in their own words, quote, I sit here in jail with two passions, really two wishes that you and your charity might help fulfill. First, I hope you find it in your heart to think kindly thought and say a prayer for me. Second, if you could, please write. Maybe the glory days are over, but not my memory of how incredibly uplifting the fans are. You're in jail facing the death penalty. He's still married. Help me!

That would be my help. Hey, all my wives and husbands that I'm married to out there. Tell them it's not me. All the fans that I'm married to. Tell them all that I'm so great. Yeah, tell them I'm taking them to Vegas and buying them a fur coat. Or Jim Schoenfeld or whatever. So there's reports that they have no evidence besides Diane Delaney and his testimony, by the way.

Nothing. There was reports that he had once shot a possum in his backyard with a.25 caliber. Gun and shit. Which is the same caliber. So they go search and dig up his whole yard looking for a slug that he shot a year ago. They don't find a gun. They don't find shit from him nothing they have no literally no fucking evidence at all that was her word versus they have her word they have people from him saying you know saying that character witnesses saying what he did around that time and

that he wasn't doing shit like that and just basically that he didn't do it. I mean, the only thing they have is this guy. So now the jury goes and deliberates, and they're deliberating with his goddamn life. Yeah. This is it. Based on one woman, mind you, she's a hooker. She's a hooker.

One prostitute. One former prostitute. Now she's an upstanding citizen. Miss Falco or Fialco. Prostitute, man. Prostitute. That's the key. It's amazing.

So the jury goes. A prostitute, mind you, who made a deal to say anything, even if it incriminates her, and she's off the hook. Yeah. And you know how long the jury takes? One hour to deliberate. Assholes. One hour.

But they acquit him. Nice. He's acquitted. All right. In one fucking hour. All right. Because they said, he's just got a hooker. There's no other evidence.

And this was like five years ago. And we don't really have anything. He had a crack-headed hooker. We don't have a fingerprint or anything. We have a prostitute that won't even say she saw it happen. She said, I ran away and didn't even hear gunshots. And I never saw a gun. I'm kind of incriminating him, but not really.

It's ridiculous. So Mikey Martin, the teammate's wife, says, quote, We never doubted. incriminating him but not really it's ridiculous so uh mickey mike mikey martin the the teammates wife wife says quote we never doubted we had an idea he might have known who did it but not that not but he did not do it to get spin pissed enough to kill somebody he would do it with his bare hands and he certainly would not use this puny caliber gun they're like he'd kill a guy no pussy but he'd choke him to death um he'd do it with his own amazing and there's more like this prosecuting attorney charles burton who was asked about the acquittal and this asshole ended up being the judge in palm beach county in the 2000 election

that made the decision on the hanging chads that helped give george bush the presidency so fuck this asshole anyway he says quote i dug deep on this guy come on you sure did patreon.com slash crime and sports support us god damn it so he says quote if i didn't believe in my heart brian spencer was guilty i wouldn't have prosecuted the case which is probably full of shit i'm on your side in in assuming yeah i'll assume all i want that maybe he had something to do with it but you you better have some fucking rock-solid evidence if you're going to take a man to trial on it. And we also said, you know, they had her pretty much rocking a hard place.

Hey, we're going to put you in jail if you don't say what we want you to say, pretty much. Prosecutor, the Burton guy again, says of her testimony, quote, she knew this was going to destroy her marriage. I always gave her credit for that. She could have said, I don't know nothing, sorry. But she came clean even though there wasn't much of a win for her. There certainly wasn't anything in it for her. No gain.

Or you forced her and she was scared shitless. You never know. Now, he's free here, Brian Spencer. His quote on this is, in their own words, I'm just hanging out with the wrong people, being in trouble. He says, quote, I know now. I know that if you hang around with the wrong people, you're going to get into trouble. I'd pick up every stray dog on the street, every bird with a broken wing.

But you can't do it. These same people are going to buy you drinks, get you drunk, then you get in your car, you get arrested, and they say rotten lies about you. He's starting to see a pattern. So you think at this point he's not going to hang out with shitty people anymore. I'm good now. I beat the death penalty. If that doesn't make you take stock, what the fuck does? No doubt.

Nothing. Ex-Toronto teammate David Sittler said of him, quote, He had a little bit of Jekyll and Hyde in him. At times, did I see where he had this split personality? Yeah. Could he have done it sure he could have but he was acquitted like he could have done it but let's just say he didn't

no because he's acquitted he could have done it but the court said he didn't absolutely now also too they're worried about the relatives of Michael Dolfo because he's kind of a connected-ish guy and there was apparently a lot of threats going around for this.

And now that he's acquitted, there's definitely a lot of threats. Ex-Islander teammate Jerry Hart, who sticks with him, Brian Spencer, through thick and thin for a while here, says, quote, During the trial, everybody was very wary of the family of the deceased. There was some discussion in our meetings in the public defender's office. They wanted me to be aware that there was unsavory characters who wanted to see Brian of the deceased. There was some discussion in our meetings in the public defender's office. They wanted me to be aware

that there was unsavory characters who wanted to see Brian get the worst. Wow. So not good. Also, Jerry Hart tried to reach out to him after the trial, get him jobs, homes to stay in. They wanted to get him away from Florida, basically.

Get the fuck out of Florida. And really, everyone get out of Florida. Abandon that place. Leave it behind like a carnival that left town, basically. Get the fuck out of Florida. And really, everyone get out of Florida. Florida, abandon that place. Leave it behind like a carnival that left town, man. Just leave it a ghost town because it's a shithole. You guys know it's a shithole that lived there. And how do you still live there after the baths sold? Good Christ.

That's fucking crazy. It's just a mess. So he, sorry, Florida. Fuck it, whatever. Thanks for listening. I'm sure there's some nice places. We love you to death. Please leave for yourself, for your own safety.

If you're not in Miami, get the fuck out. Yeah, but he refuses to clean up his act. Just refuses, basically. Hart decides to take care of Spencer's two boys and his current wife, Janet, who is dying of ovarian cancer. God, this guy's a saint. He's a saint. Now, his wife is dying of ovarian cancer while her husband's up on a death penalty murder charge

and they have two kids. And he's like, I'll save the day. I'll save the day. Hart moves the family to Long Island where he is because he made it big

in real estate after he was a player. Gotcha. And then sent for Brian but Brian and his wife Janet couldn't get along even though she has ovarian cancer.

You can't suck it up. Hart said, he ended up running away and back to Florida. I was very disappointed in Brian. I felt I'd done everything I could to support him, and when he abandoned his family like that for whatever reason, and I was never able to find out, I washed my hands of Brian. So now he's even got him gone.

The guy that stood in your corner through the worst thing ever. The worst. And these people, he's got nothing now. He's got nobody. Dolfo's dead. Roy's dead. Irene's living in the woods by herself. Byron's jealous of his hockey-playing older brother.

This poor guy was on a murder charge. These boys are losing their mother slowly every day. Diane Delaney, Jesus, her marriage. She pulled herself together for being a crackhead prostitute living in a swamp trailer. She tricked some upstanding guy into marrying her, having two children and an upstanding life. I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy.

I feel bad, but not nearly as bad as I feel for Brian Spencer. Fuck yes, it's so common. An account strategist for Pandora in the marketing department. New York, New York. Yeah, Pandora. Brian Spencer, a freshman wrestler at the University of Nebraska Kearney. Wrestles at 220 pounds. He's from Moore Park, California. Brian Spencer,

the newly elected city council president of Pensacola, Florida. Jesus. You type Brian Spencer, Florida, you get that fucking guy and this fucking lunatic. Dr. Brian Spencer, Florida, you get that fucking guy and this fucking lunatic. Dr. Brian Spencer, DPM podiatric surgeon at the Premier Foot and Ankle Center in Grove City, Pennsylvania. He's rated four out of five stars on healthgrades.com. Not an acquitted murderer.

No, no, not at all. Maybe four out of five for dodging murder charges. Brian Spencer Sergeant in the Major Crimes Bureau for the city of Jackson Tennessee Brian Spencer of Spencer Photography

you can reach him at BrianSpencer.net he's from New Mexico and on his site under where it says Spencer Photography it says this is his selling point

I just like taking photos so he likes it try him out he likes it he enjoys it he likes taking pictures of your fucking So he likes it. Try him out. He likes it. He enjoys it. He enjoys it. He likes taking pictures of your fucking kids. He loves it. And finally, finally, Brian Spencer, member number 19223 of the PDGA, which is the Professional Disc Golf Association.

Jesus Christ. He's out of Raleigh, North Carolina. He has four wins, but his membership expired in December of 2008. And you know what they do at professional disc golf? It's like Frisbee. You know how they throw those things? How do they throw them, Jimmy? They spin them.

Fuck yes, they do. He could be Brian Spinner Spencer. He could be him. If your membership hadn't expired eight years ago, you'd get back in it and go by Spinner. He was like, I'm going to be Spinner. Brian Spinner Spencer. And he Googled it, and he was like, fuck. God damn it. Never mind. Get back in it and go by Spinner. You know, he was like, I'm going to be Spinner. Brian Spinner Spencer. And he Googled it and he was like, fuck. Fuck.

God damn it. Never mind. Now, of the place here now where he's hanging out after this, Brian, this is early 88. He's hanging out in Riviera Beach, Florida. Detective George Mamik. Sounds nice. I bet it's not. It's not.

And that's the thing. It sounds like you look on a map, you go, hey, that's nice. Not nice. Riviera? They talk about the Mexican Riviera. It's a fucking... George Mamik, a detective, said, quote, it was a killing zone in the 80s. map you go hey that's nice not nice they talk about the mexican riviera fucking george mamica detective said quote it was a killing zone in the 80s before crack you could work nights and it was all quiet by 2 a.m after crack it was like night of the living dead until daybreak again post crack

after pre-crack post-crack so june 3rd 1988 brian is out with a friend gregory scott cook greg cook uh cook says they were out uh they've been out on a thursday night they were partying at several bars drinking fucking around in the scummy area of florida here riviera beach after they uh they're partying it's like late at night it's around midnight they stopped to buy some cocaine some crack actually more specifically because as one does yeah um they buy the crack uh they drive what cook says is about 20 blocks away at that point they stop and they're parked for a second they turn the dome light on because cook dropped his cigarettes on the floor and so they're looking for the cigarettes on the floor the truck in the dark whatever you know so can't find them around

all the fucking gauges more yeah I think they were doing coke is what they were doing or crack or whatever they were doing so at this point a white car pulls up beside them a white Buick LeSabre

uh oh a man carrying a large caliber gun gets out goes up to the driver's side window demanding money this might have been

Daryl Alam's we never know he could have gotten there Daryl Alam's like three episodes of Cocoa Listen anyway he was in California

it's his MO. Different guy. It's his MO. Yeah. So, Cook gives him $3, and Spencer tells him to go fuck himself. Spencer doesn't say that in as many words because he says, I'm not giving you shit. Yeah. Refuses to cooperate. Says, no.

I'm cracked out, bro. I'm a tough guy. Fuck you, basically. I've already beat murder once. So, this guy unloads a.357 on him and shoots him. One shot. Yeah. Into his arm.

Holy shit. Yeah. It goes into his arm, through his heart, and into his right lung, and then tears up his liver on the way out. It's a.357 slug. That's a big one. It's a big one. It's from about five feet away. Yeah.

It's bad. Cook tries to pull away and smashes into their car as he's going and pulls off. Fuck, yeah. So at least they have a mark on their car now. But Brian is hit with the shot. He's fucked up. They said, yeah, that was the police captain, Jerry Pariba, said about where it was. Cook hits the car, speeds off, takes Brian to a nearby fire station.

They bring him to St. Mary's Hospital, where he's pronounced dead on arrival. Fuck. Yep, they pull a.357 bullet out of his body. This is, I mean, Jesus, come on, man. Fuck, man. That's terrible. This is awful.

Cook is not considered a suspect, but the police captain there said he has questions about his story, basically. But he's a crackhead out drinking, who knows? He doesn't want to tell you that he's a crack. And I'm sure he's dishonest. Police were looking for the white car, and Cook was cooperating with detectives on the time.

On Brian's death, Delaina said, quote, I expected it. He was just going down that road. Shrugs and alcohol played a serious part. You betcha. No shit. Hart, his friend Jerry Hart, said, quote, I assumed it was some sort of contract or killing or retribution

as a result of the murder he was accused of. Seems right. Detective Mamick said, quote, I assumed it was some sort of contract killing or retribution as a result of the murder he was accused of. Seems right. Detective Mamick said, quote, there was a lot of pressure on this case because of the attention. We had to hurry up and solve this one, but we developed it piece by piece. So they started trying to put something together here. In the meantime, while they're doing that, a book is released called Gross Misconduct, The Life of Brian Spencer in 1988. July 1988, the month after this, the police determine that the motives of the killings are just robbery. They say it's not retribution.

Two suspects are arrested. Oh, nice. They get a Larry Willie Johnson and a Leon, quote, Lump Daniels. I'm scared of them. I'm scared of a man that goes by lump yeah uh johnson is said to be the trigger man in this larry willie johnson he accepts a plea of second degree murder he did and he's sentenced to 40 years jesus 40 years in jail um yeah the friends all still think they were hired to kill him um detective mammy mammy even actually concedes it's a remote possibility so

there's about 10 chance who knows basically um 1993 a movie comes out gross misconduct the life of brian spencer awesome it looks terrible never heard of any of these fucking actors it looks cheesy as shit it's got a 4.8 out of 10 stars on imdb which isn't great and it's canadian no offense to you canada but when you look at a movie and you go it just looks a little off it's canadian every guy you just watch the credits it'll be like 100 filmed in vancouver that's why it's okay that's why that girl was almost hot okay i get it all right sorry i'm sorry canadian women you're beautiful but i'm just saying it's a little off. I like when you get salty.

It's a little off. It's late at night. You're salty. I dig it. So, Mikey Martin said of Brian's murder, quote, there was always a question about whether somebody was seeking revenge. The friend who was with him thought it was random, but you can always make revenge look like random.

He was bound to be in the wrong place at the wrong time that was the wife of his ex-team that was spencer yeah in 2007 larry willie johnson is released from prison holy shit he got out he got out after 20 years and he got out after 20 uh due to quote game time which is something they've abolished now down there but it was a program where you get up to 20 days off of your sentence for every two weeks of good behavior jesus it's like less of half of your time type of thing you put in 14 days of being good we'll take 20 off it sounds like too complicated a math for a bunch of prison officials what that sounds like to me is is uh just overcrowding they're like we gotta get rid of

some of these fuckers yeah and this This guy's a murderer. Yeah. It's fine. Wow. Diane Delina here, she's doing great as of 2009, lives in Nashville. She has been very successful in real estate, has a bunch of money, founded River Run Records, which is a small record label in 2009. How about that? Apparently her husband stayed with her too.

Yeah. Said he was going to support her. That was nice of him. So all these people are doing this. Meanwhile, Brian's remains, he was cremated, and he was put in a can that reads, quote, Marvel Mystery Oil Penetrating Lubricating Service Can and kept on Rick Martin's mantle.

That's amazing. Do you know what Marvel Mystery Oil is? No. It's a very popular thing for mechanics to use. Well, that makes sense then. That's fucking amazing they put him in a Marvel mystery world can that's hilarious

and then recently Rick died and Mikey put his ashes up there too so now Rick and Brian are hanging out on Rick's mantle Mikey in the remote chance that you listen to this I want that can send us his ashes

send us his ashes. Brilliant. Send us his corpse. And Mikey, I'm on his side. Did you even send that through the mail? I think that's gotta be legal. I'm on his side.

Yeah, no shit. I love the man. I love his dad. He's a crazy son of a bitch. I love everything about him. This is the greatest story we've covered. I love it so much.

I want that Marvel Mysterio can so bad. Even if you transfer the ashes into something else, I just want that fucking can to know that it housed that amazing man. I that can i wonder where his dad is it's a beautiful can too what kind of can his dad's in telling you man no that's awesome dude and now if you need if you absolutely have to see the movie gross misconduct lifeuct Life of Brian Spencer you can find it on Amazon the DVD is

$13.29 and it's such a shitty movie they don't even have like copies of it it says right on there quote manufactured on demand

when ordered from Amazon.com so they'll just burn you off a copy and send it to you in a cracked we've got the original yeah we just got one

and we'll send it off we didn't want to waste any space in the warehouse it's a single press holy shit we'll copy it and that's that's him he's dead she's living holy fuck i miss you and i didn't even know you i miss him too i miss your dad i'll tell you that he's a hero he's a hero to me too hero so that's brian james i'm so proud of you this week brian spinner spencer brian spinner spencer i know it was a beast man so cool that was a beast what a story James, I'm so proud of you this week. It's Brian Spinner Spencer. Brian Spinner Spencer, I miss you.

That was a beast, man. So cool. That was a beast. What a story. We're going to do shout-outs here in a second. Yeah, let's do that. Before we do shout-outs, I just want to say one thing, too. I want to say something on the pod.

Because everyone, you're going to listen through the pod to the shout-outs. You're one of our listeners that hangs with us. If you are only here for a little bit of true crime shit and whatever, and you don't care about us personally, then turn it off now off now because i'm gonna say some shit now where the podcast people that really like us and our main listeners you're gonna want to hear this shit we've been kind of flirting with networks lately okay and this is something i really want to fucking talk about for a second we've been flirting with networks not just flirting being courted being courted and we kind of go and we're it's yeah we're we're finger fucking diddling under the table a little bit we've had meetings we're doing this shit yeah we're trying

and here's basically what it is here's what the podcast industry is for you guys out there are wondering how does this work are these guys making money on this i wonder right now i wonder if you guys make any money of this no names we'll just say that and here's how they work. Podcast studio says to podcaster, hey, you got a great podcast there. Tell you what you need to do. You, on your own, with no connections and no nothing, build up your audience to a huge number that we believe is profitable. Get sponsors on board. And then we're going to come in and take a chunk of it and do nothing for you. Not even a

fucking reach around and you better keep building while you're on our network yes not even a fucking reach around will will fucking tweet about you once a year maybe if you're fucking lucky okay so that's what they do that's and i we were talking about this earlier and we at this point say go fuck yourself to all these fucking networks. Because, no, we're not going to build the fucking house and put in the fucking plumbing and the drywall and all this shit. And then you cocksuckers wait until it's fucking furnished and we have a fucking 70-inch TV on the wall and a cushy soft leather fucking couch. And you go, now I'll come over and hang out. Fuck you. Come lay some tile, assholes.

Get down on your fucking knees with a grout. Lay some goddamn tile if you want to take 30% of our fucking how's that back hurt eat a fucking dick we'll stick with fucking audio boom who has no stake in us whatsoever but fucking supports us tweets about us pays to get us ads and fucking magazines lick all of you podcasters look if you're still listening i don't know why podcasters but look at your fucking deal and look at how shitty it is and say if I built this on my own, what the fuck do I need you for? It's like the goddamn mafia.

You build the store, you get a nice customer base, make it profitable, we'll come in and protect you for 10%. Suck my dick. We're fine. You want to throw a rock through our fucking window, go ahead. Eat a dick. I don't care. Fuck you, Don Fanucciucci and the black hand now on to shout out thank you guys so much for your audio for all of your itunes reviews honestly seriously guys itunes reviews are so fucking important to us

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That feels really good when you're tagging, like, comics that we've performed with. Because we can't do that. You can't go, hey, look at our stuff. Other people can. You look like a fucking asshole when you're likeging like comics that we've performed with. Because we can't do that. You can't go, hey, look at our stuff. Other people can. You look like a fucking asshole when you're like, hey, Bill Burr,

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He tweeted us at people. Thanks, guys. We love you. The Rev, obviously. Right. The whole, all five of them. All the horsemen.

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And Wedbetter, your cricket bat's on the way. Yeah, it's coming. And Mark, so Mark, the at Celtic Cowboy 58. Yeah.

So he's great. We love you, dude. And he left us a nice iTunes review, and then we pissed him off one week. Yeah. And he wrote another one that was not nice. Yeah.

And then he took that down, and then wrote a new one about how nice we are. We like i think i like this guy he's like we like him i believe he lives in oklahoma he's an osu cowboy fan i dig him he's a good dude he just didn't like that we bashed the celtics we wasn't even the celtics he bashed it was just larry he said that we said he was a clumsy slow white guy which he fucking was. He fucking is and was, goddammit. One of the greatest players in the history of the fucking league. Amazing. Athleticism of a fucking nun wearing a fucking weight

pack on her back, okay? Horrible. But one of the greatest players ever, despite that, which makes him so much better. I love Larry Bird. So Bobby Williams, Chris Brown, and then the last one, Scott Ferguson in, I believe he's in Scotland? He's over in Europe somewhere.

Thank you, guys. The guy is amazing. And so when you tweet out our podcast, legit, I could be on Coke all day long and I would still get a heart on it. And he is all the time. I would still get a heart on it because it feels so good. We could be on a Michael Dolfo level of Coke and we'd still be able to get it up. It would be rock hard because that feels so good. For a mangy Florida prostitute.

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