Crime in Sports - #440 - Savage Justice - Kaboni Savage - Part 1

Episode Date: December 24, 2024

This week, we look into the most violent, heartless & criminally active person we've ever talked about. He had an ultra short boxing career, because he was busy, setting up a drug empire, and committing cold blooded murders. Anyone who testifies against him also isn't safe, because he will firebomb whole families, just to get back at you. Wiretaps capture him saying some of the worst things imaginable. He's a true menace to society!! Put your boxing career on the shelf, in favor of a more lucrative drug empire, threaten all of your associates with murder, for the slightest disloyalty, and talk on wiretaps about pouring barbecue sauce onto burned children with Kaboni Savage - Part 1!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you folks again for joining us on another wild, crazy episode of Crime and Sports, episode 439. We are pumping them out. Yes, we are coming very close to the thousand episode mark between Small Town Murder and Crime and Sports. So we'll make a big deal out of that, whichever turns out to be the thousandth episode.

But this week we have, this might be the worst person we've ever had on Crime and Sports. Definitely the most vicious, bloodthirsty person we've ever had on Crime and Sports. Barely an athlete, that's the fun part. This is not a lot of sports in this one at all. This is just violence, violence, violence, and then for no reason a little bit more violence on top. Just for the shit of it, yeah.

So a lot of these guys do the violence or whatever the hell they're doing because there's hubris involved with being an elite level athlete. No no this is hubris involved with being the most badass guy in Philadelphia is what this is. I want to be the most vicious drug dealer in Philadelphia. This guy makes Marlo look like a pussy. He makes Marlo look soft like pussy. Like he makes Marlo look soft like he's he's fucking rough from the wire. So we'll get to all of that and more

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different ones oh yeah sports songs anthems guys think Super Bowl, shuffle and things like that. But there's so many that are so less famous and I want to talk a little bit about Macho Man's rapping. We got a lot to talk about with that. It's going to be hilarious. We'll listen to songs and then for Small Town Murder, we're going to talk about remote viewing, which was this crazy thing. It's sort of a psychic thing but more kind of pointed. It's like the CIA thought, well, if we get people in a room and have them concentrate hard enough, they can see what terrorists are doing in caves 10,000 miles away. It's hilarious.

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We have just a guy whose name fits him perfectly this week. Caboni Savage is his name. Caboni. Caboni, K-A-B-O-N-I. Caboni. I love that. Sounds like some sort of Italian meat. Like a, let me get a soppressette, let me get some salami, let me get a half pound of

the caboni. Alright good. I would know the hot caboni. The hot. Not the, no that's the one. Yeah with the seeds in it. So Haitian gangster. Caboni Savage, he's got some nicknames like you Seth billa and

Joseph a meal and Bonnie cuz that's kabani sure so Bonnie. He's the most vicious Bonnie in the history of the world Fuck Bonnie and Clyde this is this but get himself a collide He just knocked Bonnie and Clyde's Bonnie down the second place of most vicious Bonnie ever to exist He really Billy knew that was a bad last name. Bad, not good. So this is Kibani Savage, born January 1st, 1975. Okay, fairly young man. New Year's guy, yeah that's what I mean. The amount of carnage in this guy's wake for 49 years,

he's well beyond his 49 years here. He's from Philadelphia, born, raised, jailed, fucking murders, everything in Philadelphia. Yeah, because he's not a famous athlete that goes around and does anything. He stays in Philly because he's a drug dealer and a murderer. That's his main occupation.

And he went to Frankfurt High School. I'm sure he did very well there. Was in the Glee Club I imagine. Maybe a cheerleader or something of that nature. He's got some other, he's got some kids we'll talk about. His mother's name is Barbara. We'll talk about her and she is I mean in the lead so far as we get to these episodes. She is in the lead for a Golden Gilretha award. Barb's a kind, forgiving mom, huh? No, Barb does not see reality. Barb can hear a wiretap of her son talking about how he viciously murdered someone in detail and go, he didn't do nothing, he's a good boy. That's what she says, It's fucking crazy. And his sister, Kadada, we'll talk about too because she's, I mean, just a notch worse.

Kadada and Kaboni? Kadada and Kaboni, yes. Or is it Kabani? It's Kabani, I think, because he goes by Bonnie. So I'm gonna say Kabani. Kabani and Kadada. And Kadada is like one click almost as bad as Kabani. So I mean it's

Really really close. They're not good people here don't know anything about his dad and I don't know a ton about his youth life as well because We never get like that fluff piece in college of you know He's from here and he did that now. He's now he's leading our golden wildcats to another, you know, none of that shit. So the thing we do know is he went to Frankfurt High School and he was a boxer as a kid, actually. Somebody got him in a gym and tried to take him off the streets.

Utilize that anger. To me, this is very much like if you've seen The Wire, this is like, he's like Michael basically. Yeah, keep him busy. Michael's the character that could box and was pretty good and Dennis Wise, Cuddy was trying to teach him and all that shit but he just kept going back out and the street got him and then he ended up being the new Omar after that.

That's kind of what this is. Seems like somebody got him in the gym but it didn't quite stick enough. Which is weird too. He went to the Front Street Gym in North Philadelphia and later even attended a boxing camp run by Don King. So is that right? Yes. So the amount of bodies in that fucking room is incredible. He was a junior welterweight. He had a quick left jab as an amateur. He was 15 and oh Yeah, he was a good fighter. That's the thing. He's a good fight. He's vicious as shit. So I mean it makes sense Yeah, yeah, he's a junior welterweight. Not a big guy at all. That's about 147 or something 141 It's a 140. It's in that range here

He his sister cadada said he was smooth and quick. That's about as a boxer. He's also smooth and quick as a drug trafficker as well. Is that right? Yes, absolutely. He started his drug trafficking career. Let's give the stats here, like it's his fucking sports career,

but he started out selling for other people, as you do. But he started out, you know, selling for other people as you do. Just, I mean, you think about it. That's how you're going to start out. Kick it in and start moving weight. No, not at all. Yeah. You got to sell for people. You learn the game a little bit. Then by the early nineties though, you know, he's 16, 17, he started dealing PCP on his own. Oh, at a boy figured that out. Corner the market. You got that said, he's like, everybody's selling crack, heroin. I'm gonna be the PCP guy. When people think Kibani Savage, I want them to think good PCP. That's what I want. So when people think about a zombie in the middle of a Philadelphia street, I want to go, I know where he got it. That you could shoot with an elephant gun and they get back up. I I want them to go that looks like Kibane's work. That's what I want It seems like what he would do. He operates out of his mother's house, which is also very nice

You want to sell as many drugs as you can at a mom's house? You don't want to well until you get a storefront you gotta you know the garage you got to start That's right. You know you got to do it out of the garage Bill Gates did it now We're all gonna do it too. That's how it works here. So this was on Darien Street in North Philadelphia. Before long, he was like, he was Mr. PCP. He was Philly's PCP man and he sold it all over the place to everybody. He was a distributor at that point.

So he's PCP and he also sold a little weed on the side but I guarantee you that was just because he liked to smoke weed probably he's like I'm gonna do this PCP shit but I will smoke weed he ends up utilizing a lot of the drug dealers and kind of bringing them into his under his umbrella takes over corners essentially is what he does he goes around takes over the drug corners and For a time this yeah for a little time He's in a partnership distributing crack cocaine, but guy like a guy like this doesn't like having partners As we'll talk about he's not gonna last long or mentors also as we'll find out. Yeah, he's not he's not very trustworthy You don't want to show this guy hit your tricks

He will use them against you. It's not good. Finally though July 7th 1997 so he's 22 years old he makes his professional boxing debut Really makes his professional boxing debut against a guy named Ahmed lamb Which you don't want to name your you're a boxer You don't want to be lamb and it's a boxer, you don't want to be Lamb. And it's spelled like L-A-M-B too, like a lamb. If you're lamb and you're fighting a guy named Savage, who are you taking, just based on the names?

Probably not the lamb. The lamb. It feels like it's being led to slaughter. Yeah, isn't that like, they say, you know, the lamb, like someone very nice. It's always a sacrificial. Yeah, it's a sacrificial lamb. This is Ahmed Lam's.

It's dinner. Exactly. Ahmed Lam's debut as well as Kabbani Savage's debut here. This is at the Claridge Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City. So not too far from his home in Philly though. And this is a first round TKO for Kabani. Hell yeah. So he wins his first fight.

Ahmed Lam goes on to be 0-4 in his career. So I think the name said it all there, really. Sacrificial four times. He got sacrificed four times to better fighters. So anyway, Kabani's 1-0 as a professional boxer. And I'm gonna say it now, grace. That's grace. That's it.

That's also the end of the sports segment of our show. Fantastic. This is gonna be a two-parter, and there is no more sports. It's all crime. Wow. Yes, so this is fun. So I don't wanna hear anybody,

a couple weeks from now we do somebody and there's a little more sports, and they're gonna go, there's not a lot of crime in that one. Well guess what? You're getting it all in this one lot of crime in that one well guess what you're getting it all in this one balance it the fuck out yeah what do you want from us we can all look take every month and then do it out that way you know I can't map their lives I can't make people do crimes either that's the other thing I

can't make them do more crimes I can't I would love to but I can't so by the late 90s now he is really becoming his own man. He's got a boxing win under his belt, and he's also got a lot of wins on the street as well. He was running at the time, doing like, you know, five to 10 kilos at a time of coke is what he's selling. So selling weight now, yeah. That's a lot.

That's a shitload of coke, yeah. That's a lot. That's a shitload of coke, yeah. That's a distributor. He's selling that shit to, or distributing, making for weight, basically. That's it. That's fun to be able to sing rap songs and live it. Have it all be like a biography. That's kinda cool.

That's fun, but he has no time for rap. That's the thing. That's the problem. If you're a really good drug dealer, you don't rap No time to do that shit if he's driving around He looks like it anybody's anybody's tracks and rap along with it. Well, he's it works out. He's the real guy He's the guy the rappers would be like, oh shit. That's that's Kibane. Like yeah, that's don't fuck with him You know what I mean? That's that's the guy that you'd hang out with

to get street cred type of shit. So that's what he's doing. March 19th, 1998. Okay, Kibane here. He's in the vicinity of a drug corner of a competitor of his, a guy named Tybeus Flowers. So this is, this is Tybeus' corner, motherfucker, right here

So there's a guy near this drug corner Driving by the name of Kenneth Lasseter and he accidentally bumps into Kibani's car a minor minor Accidental fender bender still okay anyway, so a confrontation obviously ensues Kibane takes us as a sign of disrespect much like when bubbles is Cart ran into Marlowe's SUV much much like that sort of thing Savage demanded that this guy pay for the damage that he caused. Oh This guy said I'll do whatever you want. Sure. I apologize hundred% my bad like this guy wasn't like fuck you and your car

He was like you're totally right my fucking sword. We're good my bad. I'll pay for it good hands He said totally my fault yeah, then savage and this is according to a witness quote pulled the gun out and shot him once Oh, no after the man apologized. This is for bumping into his car. And agreed I'll fix it. Yeah, he didn't, you know, punch his girlfriend. He didn't try to steal his money. He didn't take his drug corner. This is for bumping into his car. Imagine if you fuck with this man's money, what he'll do. So this is crazy. Lasseter dies from the gunshot wound. Murder. Murder. Straight straight murder we are 14 minutes into this thing we already have a murder we already have a straight just shot a man

in the street in front of witnesses that's the other thing yeah he thinks he's so badass on the street that he's not even afraid of people see him do this because they're afraid of him and they won't say shit so that's crazy flowers the guy who runs that drug corner, Tibius, he saw the murder, witnessed the whole thing, saw everything. So September of 1999, Kibani is arrested in connection with the Lassiter killing, which makes sense. He did it on the street. So when they entered, cops entered the apartment where Savage was living they found shit loads of Equipment to process and compress cocaine

So basically the good fellas what they what they got out of Sandra's apartment. That's that's what's a Sandy's apartment That's what we're talking about all that shit. He's 25 year old man. Oh, yeah He's got a whole system in his house set up here. So now as this goes on, a year later, he's under house arrest at his home. Somehow he got out of jail for a shooting and having tons of coke equipment in his house. Somehow he's out.

Yeah, that seems like a life sentence kind of thing. He continued to deal drugs though instead. Just acted like that shit didn't happen You know, he's got to make a living Jimmy while cooperating witness told the FBI that during this period and into the fall of 2000 he supplied Savage with between 160 and 200 kilos of coke in six months 200 keys in six months. My god. Holy shit. I said the price that time ranged between 24,000 and 30,000 a key. Kibane was paying for that. So do the fucking math. I mean,

that's insane. Yeah, that's a million, a couple million. That's millions of dollars, right? And then once you break it up and step on it and shit, yeah, he is making a fucking killing. Five million dollars. Kibane. Yep. So Savage and others on it and shit. Yeah, he is making a fucking killing. Five million dollars. Cabani, yep. So Savage and others would cut and dilute and they'd fucking, they'd step on it and recompress the kilos of cocaine and then that's what they would do.

So they'd sell it to like mid-level guys. They'd sell it to a guy who runs a corner basically. So yeah, he's doing all this his profit margins are soaring at this point. He has a right hand man. Always does. Always does. You know this guy it's not going to end well with him. This is a monster and he's going to go nowhere. It's going to be. Right hand man, his name is Eugene Coleman. What's his nickname? We'll hear a lot about him.

Right now, we won't worry about that. But later on, we'll talk about his shit, don't worry. So, Coleman would help, you know, he was a helper. He would take the coke to people, you know, he was that sort of guy. The go between. Yes, he's the guy who would drive up to whoever the fuck, you know, he'd drop it off.

Because Kibani can't be in the car, you know what I mean? No. Yeah, so. He's the UPS man. He also had enforcers. I mean, just imagine, he's got Wee Bay, he's got Stinkum, he's got fucking.

He's got them all there. I really hope everybody's seen The Wire, who listens to this, because otherwise it's gonna be very, we're gonna make a lot of references. Because it really is very similar here here and going on at pretty much the same exact time as the wire was happening to it's the right of the wire in real time with worse people so September 6th 2000 there's a guy named Mansur Abdullah okay Mansur man sur Mansur Abdullah and he is part of the savage family quote unquote. He's part of the crew of you know this little network here and

I guess you know he was part of it and savage I guess First taught Abdullah had a fucking step on the coke and process it and do all that shit right that was He brought him in and fucking schooled him and all this shit. Showed him his ways, yeah. So that, this is wild. He originally had taught him how to do that. So now basically if these two kind of supply each other, you know what I'm saying?

So if Kabanis got, if he needs some, then Abdullah will fucking sell him some for whatever cost and then they'll do it, you know, he'll give them back the same thing. You know what I'm saying? So that's what they do. But because Savage was the one who taught Abdullah how to do this and taught him all the tricks of how to fuck people over and shit like this, Kibani can't get it out of his head that Abdullah is fucking him over and overcharging him Because he taught him how to do it So he said he's probably doing it to me too because I told him knows yeah, he knows how he knows how so in September 2000 Abdullah went over to

Savage's place to get money that Savage owed him not in a mean way. It's just yeah meet me for the money So Savage paid him with cash Kibane paid him with cash. Kebani paid him with cash That was in a red sneaker box He then Directed a guy named Kareem bluntly to accompany Abdullah back to his house basically Go with him. So nobody robs him because he's got you know, probably a lot of tens of thousands of dollars in cash in a fucking shoebox So, you know, and he said there's also been a lot of robberies lately, so do that. Right, and it's fascinating.

Why don't you just put that in a coach bag? Like, people will steal your shoes that are in a bag or a box for sure, and if they grab the box, and it happens to have cash instead, that's a hell of a come up. I was going to try to sell these shoes anyway, so wow fucking middleman So now I could buy shoes. This is much better so then afterwards I guess Coleman number of Eugene Coleman his buddy there is right-hand man He's supposed to pick up Kareem bluntly after he you know safely escorts

This Manzoor Abdullah to back to his house here. So Coleman and Bluntly return a half hour later and Bluntly handed Savage back the red sneaker box with the cash inside. He's... he thought better of taking your cash. I dropped him off and got your money back too. So... Yeah, he tipped me for the ride. better of taking your cash. I dropped him off and got your money back too. He tipped me for the ride. The thing is, that's because Savage had told Bluntly to shoot Abdullah once they got back

to where they were going. So he said, I did shoot Abdullah. I did that. Got that part done, but I'm not sure if he's dead or not. He may just be sitting there. Which is pretty much the point of shooting somebody is- It's not to send a message. You just did, that's like saying I made dinner

but I didn't serve it. Well, great. That doesn't really- I made dinner but I didn't eat it. I didn't eat it or feed it to anybody else. I just sit on the stove right now. Just sitting on the stove. So Savage told Coleman, his right hand man,

will you find out if this fucking guy is dead or not? Jesus Christ. So Coleman said okay, and he later confirmed that he saw Abdullah quote keeled over in his car. I saw him in his car, looked real dead. And he was dead. So that's good. The medical examiner determined the cause of death is multiple gunshot wounds to the head, chest and abdomen. That'll do it. Didn't know if he's dead or not. I shot him everywhere where there's vital organs multiple times, but I'm not sure if he's dead or not.

I didn't take a pulse. Nope, he could have been Tupac here. We're not sure. He could be fucking hanging on. So in June of 2001, the authorities seized five kilos of coke and about $350,000 in cash and drug related assets from a home of an individual identified as a savage associate in the drug business. So he knows a lot of shit. So this is what I mean.

Once one person gets arrested, then it gets very dangerous that other people are going to. That's when people start killing each other and all that kind of thing. September 13th, 2001. So two days after 9-11, we're talking about. Think about what the whole country is focused on here. Across the fucking river from here. Yeah, it's not far away.

They can smell it. Shit is still like locked down. I worked at the ballpark in Phoenix, and we still weren't allowed to go to the ballpark yet, because they still had security concerns and all that kind of shit. It's still on fire. It's still on fire. So there's a guy named Carlton Brown, whose nickname,

which he would probably reconsider two days earlier, is Muhammad. Carlton sounded much better right now than just to, you know, when I go somewhere and they go, what's your name? It's just easier to say Carlton sounded much better right now than just just to you know when I go somewhere and they go what's your name it's just easier to say Carlton right now nobody's gonna be mad at me for Carlton. There's like 13 guys and like four of them had this name. Yeah this is bad stuff and the rest of them were yelling it as the planes hit the so it's not good. Don't want to be that right this minute. So Carlton Brown, 27 of Darien Street in Philadelphia, was killed here, another victim of multiple

gunshot wounds to the head and chest. Now Brown was a member of Savage's crew, but Savage had suspected old Carlton Brown of killing Savage's friend Ronald Walston. So Savage told one of his guys that he had to do it, meaning kill this guy, and he did. This guy, Lewis is this guy's last name who did the murder, and he did it. He murdered him and the guy died. So. So we got three bodies. And he still hasn't gone to jail for the first one. Still hasn't gone to jail for the first one. He is, was arrested for for it is under house arrest for all that but he's still ordering more murders this is what I mean he's literally under arrest for murder and

he's already he's still having more murders happen yeah doesn't matter has to happen February 26 2003 now okay Barry Parker who's 32 he's killed on February 26 2003 in the 3900 block of North Franklin Street in Philadelphia. Lewis was the guy that's you know Savage's hitman. He is the guy who killed Barry Parker at Savage's direction. Apparently Parker made the mistake of trying to overtake some other guy's drug corner, a guy named Steven Northington who was selling shit that he got from Savage so he can go

to Savage and ask for help, this guy. So he does. This Northington guy went and complained to Cabani and Cabani said that quote, he said this guy's trying to take my drug corner and this is the quote from Kibani quote nobody come and take nothing you have to handle your business this is what we do nobody's taking shit you got to kill that motherfuckers what he said so apparently Lewis left Kibani's house with this Northington guy acting like

everything was cool and yeah Lewis then eliminated this this Northington guy, acting like everything was cool. And yeah, Lewis then eliminated this, the Northington guy by shooting Parker several times in the chest. So helping Northington out. Here, Northington gets his drug corner back. So this is what's going on here. Even people who are fucking with people he knows, he's like, well, just kill them.

His first, his first his first Band-aid is murder. That's something. Yeah, that's it. There's no I'll take an Advil first before I go to the emergency room It's immediate murder. That's all There's no other penalty with this guy. Yeah, it's either you're his buddy or he murders you That's it. Hmm one of the two and if you're his buddy, he still might murder you, as we found out from the guy. You don't know. You never know. If you're his buddy, he may suspect you

of needing to be murdered. Yep. Another thing he hates is informers. He hates cooperators a lot. Of course. Doesn't like a rat. So he, in March of 2003, he thought that a guy named Tyrone Tolliver, who was Coleman, his right-hand man,

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To listen ad free, join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app. Apparently this Tolliver guy had difficulty. He had to, he was supplying somebody with Coke and didn't have enough. So he went to Savage to get more to fill this order, right? So Savage said, well, I don't have any coke available right this minute, like on me, you know, but I can help you here.

So he tells Coleman to take Tolliver to Coleman's apartment where they now have their, you know, their kind of distribution, their processing center there. It's not in Kibani's house anymore, because, you know, he's on house arrest. So, but so, yeah, he said, take him over to your house and hook him up.

So apparently, this bluntly guy, one of his shooters, he arrived at the apartment shortly afterwards, and Coleman didn't even know what the hell was the apartment shortly afterwards and Coleman didn't even know what the hell was going on apparently. He didn't even know, he thought he was supplying this guy with cocaine. He didn't realize this was going to happen but Savage set it up so Bluntly went over and shoots Tolliver in the head.

And then he told Bluntly and Coleman to dispose of the body as well. Yeah, get rid of this. Get rid of this. Yeah, don't leave it in your apartment. That'd probably be bad. So it's a lot. Now, according to Savage, what he told other people, this served two purposes for him.

One. Not only did he get to kill this guy who was doing shit he didn't like, but he said it also allowed him to quote, put some dirt on Coleman as well. So now Coleman, you know, he's got a murder rap that he knows about. So this allows him now Coleman can't flip on him because he's got a murder rap on him. That's essentially, yeah, it's essentially what it is.

If we all do the worst things possible, then we can't tell on each other because we're all doing that. No one can say, well, he's selling coke. It's like, well, he's a murderer, fuck him. You know what I mean? Sounds like Kobani is very unaware of how immunity works. He doesn't get anything here at all, but in his mind, you know, we're all,

yeah, no one's gonna believe, we all need immunity, so. No one's gonna believe any of us, so fuck it type of thing I mean meanwhile anyone that cooperates is getting a deal so Coleman knew a lot about Savage's operation I obviously here and that everybody thought that here's a quote that from somebody everybody thought Coleman was weak And if he got into some trouble he would rat Okay, so everybody thought that he would fucking flip if he if he got no little trouble he would rap. So everybody thought that he would fucking flip

if he got into a little trouble. He's a weak link here, that's why he wanted to put some murder on him. So he needed him to murder, yeah. Makes him a little less flippable now. So yeah, plus if someone's testifying against you, it's one thing if they sold coke, but if they have murder raps on them too,

the jury's less likely to believe them and think that they're just trying to get out from under a murder rap so Yeah, he also a lot of lou a savage with Lewis and two other guys. They made a big pact here Big pack blood oath here. Let's get sit around the campfire and fucking prick our fingers here They agreed that if any one of them cooperated with law enforcement, they made like ground rules here that quote, our mother's lives would be in danger. So basically they've, they made a quote of pact with each other that if anybody rats,

their mother is dead and we all agree to that. So by making this pact, you're saying I won't rat swear on my mother basically got it. Yeah, and That's how that goes so in 2004 the prosecution for that first murder finally comes forward the last guy, okay now he's a Kibane is jailed awaiting trial and He just continues to intimidate and threaten people from jail and he just

runs his empire from jail. Doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah. Especially ones he suspects of working with the government. Number one, the eyewitness to this murder is Tybeus Flowers, the guy who had the drug corner who witnessed this murder and he is the prosecution's main witness. Oh, he is so dead.

And he is basically the only thing tying him to this murder. It's this guy. They have nothing else. So, you know, Kobani, I'm sure, was smart enough to throw the gun away and shit like that. So Savage here, he tells his buddy Lewis, who's also in jail, obviously, that he's not worried about flowers

testifying and the guy said why is that and he said he'll never make it to court yeah he made similar similar remarks to another criminal another prisoner with him in there saying that yeah no I don't fuck that guy cuz they're like oh you got an eyeball witness that's fucked up and they were like he goes fuck him is don't care about his eyeballs yeah his eyeballs are about to come out. He ain't gonna fucking make it so savages He knew what he was talking about because flowers end up being killed by just a multiple gunshot wound Sprayed with bullets as he sat in his car outside his aunt's house the night before the first day of trial. Oh my god the day before the first day of trial. Oh my god.

The day before the trial he is absolutely just fucking overwhelmed with bullets while sitting outside his house. That is fucking wild man. That's fucked up. It's ballsy too. Yeah. It's obvious. He's not even trying to hide it.

It's blatant. Yeah, yeah. And not even just that but it's like, it's's clearly there he goes. Make sure he doesn't leave That's it. There he goes. We know where he's gonna be now his buddy Northington later told a fellow prisoner that he hated snitches and he said that he had quote slumped flowers and sent him to rat heaven I slumped his ass which I that is slang. I've never heard before which is saying something because I really look into that I've never heard of them and I've listened to a lot of

90s aggressive rap aggressive rap. Yeah and watch the wire and saw it slumped him send him to rat heaven Wow, that's pretty that sounds like something a gangster would say in the fifties. I sent him in a rat heaven. See, I've heard, filled him full of lead. Now he's in rat heaven. And that's that, you know what he did. Yeah. You know what I mean? You know exactly what happened. Slumped over. Yeah. That's how you just, they always describe every gangster being killed in the car is being found

slumped over in his car. So that's how it works Holy shit and Savage also told this fellow prisoner saying that he quote spanked the case and he's gonna get out of jail soon Spanked it so He wastes no fucking time. No, he doesn't and he's so obvious Yeah, and then he tells people he just does not give a fuck is the best way to put it. He is like old dog for menace to society. He tells you he did it and then says now prove it.

Now fucking prove it. Well because Flowers can now not testify and that is literally the only thing they had on April 8th 2004. He's released from jail They they fucking dropped the case and he's released from jail. There's nothing they can do so it worked. That's the thing Yeah, it fucking worked. That's April 8th April 14th 2004 he's arrested again though six days later here this time. He's arrested for drugs and You know him beating the murder rap pissed the fuck You know they were like find the drugs. I don't care. Yeah, you said motherfucker. We had this guy

We'll give him a murder case for the murder sentence for the fuck length Well the drugs find some other people and offer them full immunity because he's going to fucking prison is basically what that is So he is now arrested for drugs these cops saying that the his gang sold Hundreds and hundreds of pounds of cocaine over a five-year period He's gonna have a bail hearing but they're trying to keep him in jail saying that he's a quote danger to the community which There's never been true more true about anybody and everything this guy surrounding the community yeah this guy makes Aaron Hernandez look like a fucking choir boy like he's yeah this is a guy Aaron Hernandez would have been like oh shit I

don't want to fuck with that guy right like this is I want to be like that guy one day yeah or I hope that guy lets me hang out with him. One of the two. His attorney here, they said they couldn't reach him for comment. Now apparently, they said they're also saying that he arranged for the murder of a key prosecution witness, but they're not fucking charging him with that right now.

They said that he was slain in an execution style murder. And within days after several of Savage's pals all prime suspects of Flowers murder visited Savage in prison. He had all his buddies come in, made a plan, they went out and did it and then he's like don't know what you're talking about and they had to let him go. All these guys visited you. Yeah they did. They loved me.

That is fucking wild and they said this happened Just a few days after the district district attorney's office disclosed that flowers was to testify at trial They should have definitely probably kept him in a room somewhere and kept an eye on him if they thought He shouldn't have been going to his fucking aunt's house at that point So they've been investigating Savage and his drug gang for years the FBI and local authorities say they have informants, wiretaps, surveillance. This is a big case, obviously. And they said that they have reasonable cause to believe that Savage was the leader of a drug organization that sold crack cocaine and heroin all over the Philadelphia area. Jesus fucking Christ.

Yeah. So he's arrested here and he's got problems. He's got a lot of fucking problems. Basically. He's charged in the cocaine ring Trying to find out the exact charge here is or how many you know, what the exact deal is So there yeah, they said the government contends that Savage and several others identified in the affidavit as co-conspirators were part of a drug trafficking, money laundering organization that distributes large quantities of cocaine and smaller quantities of heroin in the area since 1998.

Savage and his associates have been targets of a three year investigation which hundreds of phone calls have been intercepted, drugs and money seized and guns confiscated. is not good for him no those guns are used for shit you know what I mean that's so there it's weird that he got caught with all that shit in 2001 but never there was never anything that came of it remember he got caught with 350 grand and all the processing shit and it never it was never

anything to him. Yeah. But that apparently there was also another raid that led to this probation violation hearing and then he was arrested by the FBI finally. So one cooperating witness told the FBI that during a period in the fall of 2000 he supplied Savage with 200 kilos of cocaine over six months. So there you go. April 17th, 2004, Kabbani is held without bail.

Yeah, the federal prosecutor describes him as not only a flight risk, but also a danger to the community, describes his past and all the things that he is suspected of. It can't be that hard of a decision to keep him locked up. I would say We probably don't need him out there. I would think so Anyway, he's out there now. He's in jail and he just acts nothing like nothing has changed He just runs shit from jail now. That's all yeah He is really really mad though that his buddy Coleman has flipped and now he's assisting the prosecution. Not happy about it. Not happy about that.

I guess Coleman has received threats from other inmates who have connections to Savage and uh, cause he's in jail too. Right. So, uh, apparently while in the visiting room of the prison, Coleman saw Savage's sister Kadada and Kadada said to him quote, don't let these crackers break you. Don't let these crackers break you. I'm often times worried about breaking the crackers. Yeah. No, no, no. Don't let these, especially when the handy snack, cheese and crackers. Oh, they always. You got to be so gentle with those things.

You don't know how they were shipped. No, jostled. They got to be shipped in a pillowy truck. They need to really make sure they're kept nice. So Kedada later wrote to Coleman encouraging him not to reveal anything to federal agents. And in her letter she said, quote, this is her closing, death before dishonor to your family, it says. Golly. Yes, and that was in parentheses to your family.

And Coleman understood that to mean his actual family, not members of his crew. Not us. Not us. So later Coleman is in a holding cell in the federal courthouse. Savage and one of his associates replaced in an adjacent cell. And immediately Savage started talking very loudly about killing the rats and told Coleman that his family should die as well. Oh. So that's very good planning. Put the guy who's telling on

the guy right across from each other. That's great That's gonna work out perfectly That's he's already making threats right to his face right to his face doesn't care and he knows he's a fucking witness here, which is Wild man. So now they're looking for two more criminal associates here wanted in the in the Slaying of flowers by the way flowers was also an Xbox er which is interesting tough guy too that's maybe how he knew him you know what I mean I think it's it's like the wire I think a lot of the kids from the neighborhood went from the boxing gym to the corner I

mean that was kind of how it worked here so police are looking for John Tillman and Dawood Bay they are both 34 years old and described by the government as prime suspects of the murder of the last guy here, Flowers, who was murdered outside his aunt's house before the trial started. So it's so hard to keep these fucking murderese. A guy named Bay was involved? Yeah, Wee Bay. He sent Bay to go take care of it. Yo Bay, go take care of this. Dawood Bay, we Bay Wow. Yeah, he sent Bay to go take care of it Yo, B to go Bay go take care of this da would Bay would Bay

So yeah, that's how that's going here now savage obviously This isn't surprising, but they have to they were gonna try to find these guys and I assume Flip them as well. I would think that's the whole point of what they're trying to do here Apparently I'll, the one guy they're looking for, is not believed to be connected to the flowers killing, but Ali became linked to the drug probe when he was overheard on wire taps on the Thomas guy's phone asking Thomas for money in connection with a drug deal. Then Thomas and Bay called a guy named Cuddy, no shit, no shit, of course, Cuddy, whose name is short for Cutthroat, which is what they originally called him, literally, here, he called him.

During this three and a half year investigation, Thomas's wiretap led to wiretaps on Ali's phone in June 2001. The wiretap conversations opened the door to this whole shit basically and they also find out that like you know they're finding out who they're paying off, what cops they're paying off, what fucking you know all that kind of thing, what banks are handling their money, they're getting the feds are getting a whole type of big picture of the whole thing the whole thing here. Yeah I guess Flowers by the way, was facing a 20 year prison term as well on federal and state drug charges. That's why he was testifying when he was shot here. Yeah. So they believe that Savage set him up, obviously. And that's the whole point.

They said, quote, the jailhouse visits and subsequent murder occurred just days after the district attorney had disclosed that Flowers was to testify at Savage's trial. Savage's attorney called the scenario ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Why would he ever? Just because my client's a drug dealing murderer who's murdered other people before, why would he send his other drug dealing murdering friends to kill a fucking guy who's gonna testify against him for a murder? Who would do that?

Yeah, that's fucking funny. He said, this is Savage's attorney. He said that's ridiculous. He said Flowers is a snitch. He's the murder victim. So apparently the Tillman guy used phony credentials when he signed in at the at 347 at the correctional facility to visit him. Apparently that's how he did. Tillman and they call a close associate of Savage presented city prison with a phony

social security card and driver's license because he didn't want to be seen as going there and I'm sure he's a felon and felons aren't want to be seen as going there and I'm sure he's a felon and felons aren't allowed to visit felons also. So this was issued in the name of Robert Ted Jones and when he signed Joe and he signed in as Jones too. Now Tillman this guy though has no criminal record actually he just didn't want to be associated with this. Bay the other guy has six prior arrests, none for narcotics, two convictions for firearms

violations. Jesus Christ. A Point Breeze developer reputed South Philadelphia drug dealer, that's what they're calling Bay. A developer and, what is he, fucking Stringer Bell? He's a fucking developer too. And South Philadelphia drug dealer. Bay was acquitted last year in major stolen house scam exposed by the Daily News.

So he's running scams in that too. Wow. How do you steal houses? I don't know. With paperwork you can do that. There's ways to do it if there's weird things here. My God. So by the way, what we found out here,

the guy, this whole thing that stemmed from the bumping into his car, he bumped into his bumper. He didn't even, like Dennis Fender, he tapped his bumper. Even if you cause a dent in the bumper, it unbolts and you can bolt a new one on. Boom, it makes no fucking sense. And everybody said said to by the way the bumper was not even damaged there wasn't even a fucking mark on it

it's just that he wasn't even in the car he was outside the car my god it was just the respect thing of he bumped into his car so now he's got to be seen to grovel on the street yeah that's what it is shot him with a 40 cal several times here there. So yeah flowers Jesus Christ flowers was killed with it Nah, nine millimeter gunfire in the head and torso while sitting in his black mercury Jesus Christ, and they call it an execution style murder obviously here He died in a mercury that is fucking eggs he died in a car they don't even make anymore that's sad. Yeah. It's like dying in a GEO. I hope it was at least a Cougar. Jesus. Some yeah they

had been they made nice ones of those at least. Depends on what year that was too. That's the other thing I assume it would have to be pretty cool if he's a drug dealer he's got to have some kind of Status here, I would think here. I would hope in these stolen house scam by the way they Bought five houses at really low prices one belonged to a hospitalized 71 year old grandmother Who came home to find her belongings strewn on her front lawn? from the hospital. Oh my god.

Yeah. Um, Bay's co-defendant in that was principal of a school. Is that right? By the way, yes. That's fucking amazing. What a piece of shit. Yeah, he was helping out with that. That is absolutely fucking wild.

He's the guy that knows how to do it with the paperwork Apparently so yeah, or is it a woman? I'm sorry. Yes Oh wow She was convicted last year of notarizing phony deeds for some of the 33 Properties that have been stolen and resold between 98 and 2001 she would just make phony deeds and steal people's houses Oh boy, and then notarize it and not notarize it and make it official and shit. She's a notary, she's scummy. Now Eugene Coleman, his name is Twin by the way, remember I said I had to have a nickname

for him here. Twin? Twin. Twin. Eugene Twin here, he is arrested on October 8th, 2004. And just like everyone thought, old Twin twin is not gonna fucking do the time and take it. He is gonna flip.

Oh boy. He agrees to testify against Savage in the drug trial. Okay. Okay. Now in March 2003 we know Coleman killed Tyrone Tolliver where we know that shit here and the federal agents what they do is they encouraged Coleman's mother, a 54 year old prison guard by the way, Marcella Coleman to move to a new house saying that, yo, your son is doing this.

These guys are pretty hard. You should move to a new house. And she's like, no, I'll get the fuck out of here. So what happened is Savage ordered her house to be burned down. Yeah with her in it. With her at the time he's in custody about 5 a.m. October 9 2004 the row house was firebombed. God damn. Yeah it originated in the living room on the first floor, traveled quickly and was extinguished after about 20 minutes. Wow.

There were no survivors. What? Yeah. 20 minutes, that's a big fireball. Fucking burned it. Included in the death toll were Coleman, her 15-month-old son Demir, three other children related to Coleman 10 year old Kaja Nash 12 year old Taj, Portia and 15 year old Sean Rodriguez also 34 year old Tamika Nash Coleman's cousin and the mother of the 10 year old girl that were killed six people and the family dog Of course. Yep

Four adults. Oh, is it two adults, four children, and the family dog. Six people and a dog. Burned down. None of these people. Because somebody was going to talk. None of these people have anything to do with what's going on. Nothing to do with it. Like, some of these people might not even know that what's going on.

Yeah, right. Burned to death in their house. Well, the children for sure don't know what's going on. That is fucking wild, man. What the fuck? sure don't know what's going on. That is fucking wild, man They don't even know why this shit's happening. That is crazy made it the deadliest mass murder in Philadelphia since 2000 Fuck October 14th 2004

Kabani Savage's mother says her son was not involved in that firebombing. No. He's a good boy. Yeah. He's a good, good boy. Yeah. He told me no. She lashed, this is in the newspaper, she lashed out at federal authorities and government

witnesses who she claims have wrongly painted her son as a ruthless underworld crime boss. It's all a big misunderstanding. That's the problem. She said, quote, it's unbelievable. It's all a big misunderstanding. That's the problem. She said quote, it's unbelievable. It really is. This is pretty unbelievable, Barb. I'm going to say this is unbelievable. This is in a telephone interview.

She said quote, they're saying all this negative stuff. My son is a loving, giving person. Always has been. He'll give you bullets. He'll give you so many bullets and fire. He'll give you bullets. He'll give you so many bullets and fireba. He'll give you Molotov cocktails. He doesn't mind. Those are yours to keep. He had one to spare. He doesn't want those bullets back that he gives to you. He doesn't even want them. He's

being obviously held without bail and all this type of thing. We know what he's done here. He just killed multiple children for fuck's sake. Holy goddamn shit. She says though, Barbara quote, no way in the world he's involved in any of this. Uh huh. Anything. Cause they went down the list of things that he's being suspected for. And she said, Nope, Nope, not my son. She said he would never hurt anyone like that. She said now she and her mother now fear for their lives because of news reports linking. This is Kadada said that. Kadada, the brother, the sister said that now me and my mother are scared because of news reports

linking my brother's name to the arson. Now they're going to come after us. Kadada said the people who know him know this isn't true. It's totally unbelievable. Then she described Eugene Twin Coleman as a punk who lied about her brother in order to get out from under his own problems. Kadada said he took the easy way out. Is that right? Yeah, that's it. And they said, listen this is ridiculous. They the the mother and the sister are saying that Not only is this wrong now. This is what they've been doing to this poor guy for years years. They said he'd be a He'd be a champion boxer right now if they if his career wasn't derailed by that pesky murder charge back in 99

That's what they said. Literally. He had to stop boxing You know, wow. That is insane, honestly. They're fucking... Jesus Christ. But that's what they think here. Savage's sister, Kodata, said she never saw any drugs at all. She said, I lived in that house. I absolutely know it's a lie. Yeah, but you don't think for a second that that man's not telling you about his criminal deeds? Well, he is, because this shit's in the living room, his cocaine processing center.

She's just a fucking liar, period. Yeah, Barbara said her only son here because she has two daughters and a son has been singled out by investigators and government informants alike. She said, quote, it's totally ridiculous. Again, just totally ridiculous. Kadada said he's engaged. His fiance is a school teacher. He's a school teacher. Also, he has a son who's nine and three and three daughters ages four to eight. His motherfucker has four kids. Daughters. Three daughters.

That's their example right there. Wow. So he can't possibly have done any of this because his fiance is a schoolteacher and he has children. Right. You know. Then Barbara said he's a loving man. He's innocent and we're gonna prove it

The Iceman's wife worked right they had kids. I mean, I don't think she worked, but they had kids a lot of murdering He said she seemed like a real nice lady though. She seems great. She seems like a real sweetheart And it doesn't really matter. I'm John Gotti's wife was fucked up, but a lot of these fucking wives are real nice ladies so October 15, 2004, this is the Philadelphia Daily News giant headline for Savage the name fits it says, which is fucking brutal. If you're on trial for murder, you don't want that coming out here. Holy shit. That's amazing. They said that they talked about

apparently, authorities believe Savage set the murder wheels in motion with against the witness there with a telephone call from the federal detention center where he's being jailed to his sister, Kadada. They think she's involved too. His sister allegedly put one of his friends on the phone. That makes all the sense now. Now it makes sense. And Savage, a vaguely coded message of quote, you know what to do, they said. Oh, set the whole thing in motion.

That's they said police and FBI agents have reviewed the tape of the call and they believe they need more evidence before they can charge Savage. They don't know if that's enough. Just as he said, you know what to do. They said this is Savage's lawyer, Tariq El Shabazz. He said there was no mention of anybody doing a hit or any type of conversation. Savage had nothing whatsoever to do with those murders.

He said, do you think that this man would make a direct or indirect threat on a line that's being taped toward a witness in the case? Apparently. No. I mean, I mean you shouldn't, but he apparently did. You can't just say when someone does the dumbest thing ever, do you think they would do that? They did that.

We're not saying he did it well. We're saying he got caught. It's like Sarah Boone going, do you think I'd just leave him in a suitcase if I knew he was going to die? I don't know, but you did. So it didn't really matter at this point. I don't care if you knew. That's the point. If you didn't, you're a fucking moron. So anyway, if you didn't, it's probably because you didn't even think about it. You were just being an asshole. Yep. So K Kadada says she can't even imagine what conversation they could be talking about that could be misinterpreted by the police

as instructions for a hit. She said quote, I'm his little sister. He would never do it all, do it at all, but he wouldn't involve me at all. Definitely. So he wouldn't kill anybody, but especially not through me. Jesus Christ here. They said that they described him short and trim, Savage doesn't dress like a drug kingpin or drive luxury cars, but he allegedly made lots of money. And one of the cops said, quote, he was always smart about that, dressing down,

driving Fords, Jeeps, and Subarus, not wanting to draw attention to himself. He was smart. OK, yeah. He saw like Carlo Gambino and said, that's how you survive and not die in jail. Yeah, that's how you die of a heart attack. Yes, exactly.

While watching a baseball game on a Saturday afternoon. Right. That's how you get to die of a heart attack in your 80s rather than bullets in your 40s. But you also can't do all the other crazy shit that you've done here. They said though that you know it doesn't matter what his profile is, everybody knows what he's been doing basically. They're calling him public enemy number one, everything like that. They say that they didn't understand. Before he started boxing, they said he had two previous convictions and would appear to be garden variety criminal cases.

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you. Four of them. Like it's one thing to not drive a flashy car and not have like jewelry and shit, but what the cops really get attention to drawn more is dead children. Right. People tend to really get pissed off about that and that just doesn't go away. You could shoot a drug dealer in the street and you know the kerfluffle will be gone in a minute but you burn four children and a dog and them two women to death. You're a piece of shit. Pretty easy to get a lot of heat from that. That's I mean, that's just basic, uh, uh, criming, you know what I mean? That's just basic. That's just basic grand theft auto knowledge.

You can't, you can't do that shit. You gotta know that. You gotta know general GTA rules of the game. So Barbara told this newspaper that is her son grew up in a nice close knit family. The father Joe died in 89 after a battle with cancer Wow, so, you know, she said her son is engaged to a school teacher. He has four children It's just ridiculous. She said when I go to visit he always says mom make sure you tell my kids I love them and I miss them

She said he used to love math and science when he was younger and he has lots of friends and he's just a real nice guy He lived with me until he was arrested. Yeah, just a sweet taking care of me. Just a sweet guy She said that she knows that That he told her that quote. I'm not what they're saying and she believes him. Yeah mistaken identity Yeah It's all all the above. Misunderstood there's so many things. She said quote he said they're making me out to be this monster and he said I it's not true mom and I said I know baby. I know. I know it's not true. I know you didn't burn children to death. Jesus fucking Christ that That is... Where there's smoke, there's dead babies. You know, like that's...

You can't do that. Dead babies, dead fucking women, dead dogs, dead everything. Which is crazy. There's literally women and children only in that house. That's not even... That's the least... That's the most disrespectful killing of all time. It really fucking is. It's horrifying. Women, children, and a dog. And and the dog they knew that there was nobody of interest in the house This was just to let them know they mean business Which would make me want to do whatever I was doing to you harder now that you killed my mother and sure relatives Oh now I'm really good now. I'm gonna make shit up. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna say forget about it

You killed you shot Kennedy now like you are in for every fucking thing you've ever been near Murders is all you yeah, he told me he said that Wayne Williams is a bitch-ass motherfucker, and he took the rap for me I don't care if the dude was six years old when it happened. He was that's why the kids got in the car They weren't scared of a six-year-old car they weren't scared of a six-year-old telling you the assistant district attorney here who prosecuted Savage for the Lasseter murder the first murder said I don't know enough about the arson murder case to comment but I can say this with great certainty any person that murders an individual over a parking spot as the evidence showed mr. Kibane and Kibane Savage did is an

extremely dangerous individual. Anybody that would take a human life over tapping another car while backing into a parking spot, if they possess that level of violence for that level of provocation, that's a very dangerous individual. How many reverse cameras, how many lives have they saved? Oh my God, how many street shootings have they saved? Yeah, like Google has saved so many bar fights Yeah, yeah It's the same fucking thing

Save exact goddamn thing here in 1999 Savage Coleman and two other men were arrested in New Jersey for drug trafficking FBI Kevin Lewis hiding nearby overheard Savage tell his pals to keep their mouths shut. Savage told Coleman and another associate not to worry because their bail will be paid for them. I got your bail, don't sweat it.

Savage told them not to tell anybody about the drug processing material found in the apartment. He told them to quote quote take it to their graves Yeah Savage said quote we know what we do for a living and we when we get out we'll start over He told his pals like just take it on the chin and fucking work it out money And when you get back out you'll have a leg up and you can start back up. We'll start back up again What I mean I get I understand that that it pays so well that what's the point of going

straight. That's the thing the profit margin is so high. Insane. You can't make any kind of money near that. There's no product that sells because it works so well. No, no. Maybe celebrity podcast. That's the only that's the only thing where you can do less and make more. That doesn't even work. It just happens to generate money. Happens to generate tons of money, but it sucks. Stupid. Oh, three famous people are going to talk.

Look at this. Oh, they're going to talk about the time they went to Starbucks and surprised a barista. That's great. Fucking assholes. Thanks for invading the space. We appreciate it. Thank you for making my life so much harder. Yeah, thank you. It's great. We love seeing it. Wish you nothing but the best everybody. All success. Why should you fail? Why not? Let's just get as many most

famous people as we can. Just have them sit around and talk about how famous they are and then pay them $100 million. Please. Please do that. Please do. What the fuck? We'll continue to break our fucking balls. Ah, Jesus Christ. So they talk a little bit more about the Coleman guy twin who's awaiting trial on the Tolliver murder. He had told authorities that Tolliver was killed by Kareem Bluntly and that Kareem had stolen $7,000 that Tolliver was killed by Kareem Bluntly and that Kareem had stolen $7,000 that Tolliver was planning to spend on cocaine. They said, quote, Coleman stated that he assisted Bluntly in cleaning up the murder scene and in concealing and transporting Tolliver's body in the trunk of a car.

Jesus Christ, that is fucking wild, man. By the way, Bluntly, when he was murdered at the corner of 18th Street and Master Street in North Philadelphia He was shot six times. I think that's the guy who got slumped. Yeah, I think that's the Mr. Slumpy they got it. Well, you got to make sure yeah Savage is one of 20 defendants charged after an investigation that spans nearly four years for the whole drug organization. Out of 20 people, somebody's flipping. There's just no way it's not happening.

Yeah, you can't. There's no way I'll stick. No. But four of them have pleaded guilty and three of them have agreed to testify against him. So at a 20, you're going to get three that are scared enough to do this shit. FBI agents, and with him too, even if you don't testify against him, he still might kill you. So you might as well. He doesn't leave you a lot of- Because he doesn't trust me anyway. Well that's what happened to fucking John Gotti. That's why Sammy the Bull flipped on

him, is because he was like, well if I don't, he's talking about having me killed anyway. I know everything. yeah, why wouldn't I well? They played him the tape of him saying he didn't he didn't like what fucking Sammy was doing with a couple of construction things And muscling people out and all that oh well fucking Jesus Christ. I'm gonna Just fucking told me that yeah, he didn't care about the drugs at all No, this is brother gene was the biggest drug dealer in New York, and he loved it care Nope, that's why that was part of why they killed Paul Castellano was because Castellano liked the drugs. Okay, they Said that he was gonna kill gene Gotti his brother who was sold a lot of drugs. So John said alright

That's enough of that. No one's killing my brother. I'm taking over fuck I'm Castellano's jacked about the the jack booths like that's a yeah, it's a stupid fucking and and gross and like isn't that a little wouldn't you rather be known for selling drugs to like smackheads then Facilitating public beat-off. I Guess but that wasn't You know that was considered a different thing though. That was like Oh the drugs to sell them to the kids and the you know blah blah blah blah blah. You know what I mean?

The destroying society. Meanwhile it had nothing to fucking do with that. It had to do with the fact that it had long sentences and people flipped when they got caught for drugs. Hijacking a truck was five years, guys could do that. Twenty five years for having a bunch of arrow and that's they're not doing that shit. They're gonna rat. So.

Solitating all this gross jacking off. And all the jacking off. and that's they're not doing that shit. They're gonna rat. Facilitating all this growth, jacking off. And all the jacking off. Well, I mean, that's just anything with it's a cash business they were gonna be a part of. Yeah, yeah, they didn't give a fuck what the product was. It's how it's being paid for. And porn and all that shit was the one right through the mob in the 70s.

So the FBI is currently investigating several drug gangs. They recorded more than 16,000 conversations between September 2000 and June 2001. Savage was intercepted in more than 130 calls allegedly discussing the drug business from his mother's home. Very nice. Use mom's house phone to discuss. Fucking idiot. Even I knew enough to use a goddamn pay phone. And I wasn't on a level where anybody was listening, you know what I mean?

By any stretch. If they're investigating you, they know who your mom is, they've seen your birth certificate. Well plus you live there, they know where to, they just have to know the address. So anyway, that's Thomas, one of the guys, is said to be dying of liver cancer and has been under house arrest while awaiting trial.

Wow. He said these intercepted calls provide compelling evidence that Savage was actively running a drug trafficking enterprise from his residence. Wow. All right. October 19th, 2004. Philadelphia Daily News again here. This is fucking wild.

It says, this is a really crazy headline Firebomb deaths not suitable for cartoon one Yeah, why the fuck would it be suitable for a cartoon? That's what I'm wondering. Well, let's find out here. It says reside Rosanna Rosanna Wilkinson's cartoon showing the charred remains of a fire-bombed row house titled and in Philadelphia's real legal system.

In those charred remains, they tried to do a political satire cartoon. Right, why would a satire cartoon on four bodies? That's rough. That is rough. Man, that is rough. Yeah, they said they were I guess they said that the in those charter mains are the family of correctional officers who still work in the Philadelphia prisons. They are part of the legal system that Mrs. Wilkinson finds ineffectual and also suffer the tragic consequences of violent

criminal acts. It's like blaming the victims for causing the tragedy. The loss of officer Marcella Coleman and her family is deeply felt by those of us who knew and worked with her at the correctional facility. Coleman was among the officers who opened the jail in 1995. The death by fire bomb of two adults and four children does not reduce very well to a cartoon. No doubt. I cannot imagine the 1963 fire bombing of the 16th street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama. Also four innocent children killed being treated in this manner.

They're saying, yeah, basically just because a drug dealer did this doesn't mean that, you know, it's different. So that is, that's pretty fucked up. Honestly, December 1st, 2005, again Philadelphia Daily News, potty talk tapes played at drug trial. Oh. Potty, potty talk. What is potty talk?

Well, in part one of, quote, toilet bowl talk, is what they call it, meaning they curse a lot. Accused drug trafficker, Kibani Savage, expounds on Kibani Savage. This is fucking great here. This is so fucking funny. By the way, his jury, this is at his drug trial here, six men, six women on the jury.

FBI agent Kevin Lewis testifies that on October 26, 2004, a device was installed for 60 days, an event between two cells with adjoining plumbing systems. So they got him recorded in jail. Oh my. The FBI never obtained a wiretap for a prison cell before, Lewis said. Here's some excerpts.

This is fucking amazing. They call it toilet talk because they're talking through empty toilet bowls. Yeah. Yeah, which is what guys do. So they just put a mic in between them. Which is hilarious in the plumbing One here is um this is savage talking to Dewan Bay or Dewan Bay Quote I know I didn't sell drugs because I wanted to Mean you know had to and then Bay said yes you did I never wake up I never wake up say I want to be a drug dealer said savage

This is a face said yes, you did and he said now I never wake up and say I want to be a drug dealer and Bay said why couldn't why you couldn't why you couldn't have went and got a job and Savage said come on. What am I gonna do work and go to school? Yeah, right? What am I gonna do with 300 fucking million other people does not can't I can't do that, fuck that, that's crazy. Wubbe feels like he's in on this, and also, if he's not, he's real dumb.

Yeah, no, no, he's just doing it, yeah. On getting cocaine, he said, quote, I was strictly oil then, referring to selling the precursor chemical to manufacture it. That's what he was doing He said I wasn't fucking with the white shit yet. Yeah, so he was just selling the supplies for it at first He said then his uncle Gerald Thomas Bought a he called him a quote-unquote uncle, you know Not a real not his mom's sister and brother or anything, borrowed $20,000 and promised to pay back $2250 in three weeks.

And he told Bay, man, that's $2500. When he did that, it was like, all right, well, this shit could be worth it. Meaning fronting people, you know? So he started thinking, oh yeah, I can front people and then they're into me for that, which that's the mob figured that out. Juice is better than anything. Right. Yeah, you're getting points on it.

It's money, that's just straight cash. That's it, and this is like multisanti. When you're bleeding the guy, you don't squeeze him dry right away. You know, that's the thing. On diluting the Coke, he said, quote, I was taking that cocaine powder when I really learned it I could turn that powder into liquid and bring it back to powder hey say that

right into the toilet do that again idiot yep and bring it back to powder and listen I could hit it with procane to dilute it and leave the scales in it so that means so you could still see it looks it looks pure as they'll say the scaly shit looks pure. Referring to the flaky appearance of the cocaine after it's been diluted. He talked about his dream home he said he spent $80,000 to buy the house and spent $40,000 to renovate it and he said the kitchen was red and white I got tired of that black and silver I ain't tooting my own horn. I had wooden floors. Listen, I had a stand up shower in the master bedroom, wall to wall

mirrors, strobe lights. The basement was immaculate, wall to wall carpet. You put in there and your footprints, you put your foot in there and your footprints stay for a day. I only paid a buck 40 and I made 40,000 off my joint. He's flipping houses too. Yeah. He sold for a hundred and eighty. No shit. He said right before all this went down I was getting surround sound for the house. Mirrored closeted doors, bay windows in the front, the walkway redone, the brick around

the fireplace. I was so proud of this joint. Man fuck these rats man. They gonna pay. He's mad cuz he can't I Put all the shit I wanted I got it just the way I wanted now these fucking rats have ruined me. God damn it He also says he told fellow inmate Shannon Muse on November 13th 2004 in a tape conversation I ain't got no regrets for nothing. I did Only thing I could have done without was the the house arrest, but I do it all over again

I ain't complaining about my lifestyle He said made sure my mom didn't work my sister ain't have to work She got an education put my wife through school got her education my other sister got a house I mean the fruits of my labor. I'm proud of that Oh shit, everyone in his family is living off drug money. He's very proud of that. I Did that? He said his sister and his wife have new cars and that he quote been everywhere He wanted to go so he had got no regrets. He's good. People are dead, man

Nope, he said these guards ain't never gonna experience that they just want to be us They just ain't got the heart No, they don't they wanna you got the heart They want a good job, man Yeah, they just they want they are have no education and want a job that has benefits. That's all it is That's literally all get a filling every now and again. Yeah, that is not our that is not our best and brightest We'll get a filling every now and again. Yeah, that is not our that is not our best and brightest No, anyone who says I'll go to the jail for a third of my life is not our best and brightest obviously So you know what I'm saying these yeah

He said them n-words ain't never gonna know how it feel to go to a car dealer and say give me that He said you drove the finest cars you fucked the finest broads and you shopped in the finest clothing stores He said look at the watch you pay 50 for a watch He said these motherfuckers ain't got 50,000 how $50,000 houses or cars and you got this shit on your wrist He's like they're all just jealous. Yeah It's all it is man fucking jealous So murderer man, that's the other thing but he's saying they're all just jealous because these motherfuckers don't have the shit that we have and it's

funny too because i've read books about guys who got undercover in prison guards and a lot of times they do talk about they are fucking jealous these guys a lot of them are they are they're like this motherfucker's got all this shit he's in jail and he's still you know got more money than me and he's in jail and he's still, you know, got more money than me. And he's in jail currently. That shit pisses me off. Yeah. That shit.

I'm here willingly and this motherfucker has to be here. He has to be here and he's living better than me. Like, not living better, but his family has money, he's making money, running shit from prison, stuff like that. December 4th, 2005, by the way, all that shit will be, you know, admitted into court too in his trial. Sure, of course. The the way all that shit will be you know admitted into court to win a trial sure Of course the jury heard all that

Now the jury listens to more tapes they hear everything The the newspaper said it was a combination of hip-hop arrogance and street corner Fatalism a rare look at the mindset of a man federal authorities say once dominated Philadelphia's drug underworld. They got to hear several hours of tapes. That's awesome. Yeah, that's great. They said, quote, boasting about never having held a job, bragging about his wealth and promising to kill anyone who might be cooperating against him.

Savage unknowingly provided the prosecution with an expletive laden final chapter in a month-long trial that could land him in jail for the rest of his life. Awesome. Yes. The conversations, picked up by an FBI listening device, hidden with court approval in Savage's cell were played right before the prosecution rested its case. One of them said, they're going to pay, quote they're gonna pay talking about the rats and adding that he really didn't care how many or who had to be eliminated. I'll kill every motherfucker. That's not

good. No. When another inmate suggested to Sav that Savage knew quote knew who got to go he replied and if I was wrong, so be it. That's how this is supposed to be. That's how this is supposed to be, man. Even if I was wrong, fuck him. He grew up in such a nice time to be able to be a boxer for a career. Yeah, oh yeah, especially that weight class got huge. That's when Delahoye and all those guys, Mosley and Vargas.

Yeah. Philly, man, they support their own. Absolutely. No, he could have done something with himself, but this is so much easier. And from Philly. Vargas. Yeah. Philly, man, they support their own. Absolutely. No, he could have done something with himself, but this is so much easier. Yeah, it is. You got to get up and run it like four o'clock in the morning when you're a boxer. That's hard. Yeah. Yeah. Sit ups and the like, you know what I'm saying? That's the worst. He is. He, this is, he's a nightmare. This guy, he says he insisted that he had no regrets

about the way he had lived his life in these tapes. Oh yeah, nothing, not at all. He even was bragging that they had to arrest me more than a month before they arrested everybody else because they knew that if they left me out on the street, I'd start killing people. They know that shit. They know not to fuck with me.

He said, quote, wow, they know if they left me out there, they wouldn't have had no case. These are the worst quotes to have in the police custody. Right before, they play hours of this and then they go, prosecution rests and then they fucking turn it over to the defense. What do you do? We're saying nothing. He's going to say it all. Oh my God.

So yeah, the prosecutors are like, this is just golden. He's just say it all. Oh my God. So yeah, the prosecutors are like, this is just golden. He's just giving us everything. The prison tapes allowed the prosecutors to dramatically underscore the point that, with his own words, everything they said, here's everything we've said about him with him confirming it. Even the shit about his house and all these rats of,

now I can't even stay in my nice house. All this type of shit. He's not a bad guy, he's the bad guy. He is the bad guy talking about the prison guards. You know they can never know how it is to go to a car dealer. He also said quote, that's a hell of a feeling because he said that feeling where you get to go buy whatever you want. He said that's a hell of a feeling.

Spend a dime on some woman, 12,000 just to trick. Just to fuck some broad. Just to stun out, yeah. Yep. He said, you just spent six months of their salary having fun. See what I'm saying? You drove the finest cars, you made love to the finest broads, and you shopped at the finest clothing stores.

And boy, what a great day. What a great life it is. And all I have to do is kill people and sell lots of drugs. We'll sell that, we'll play that for the jury. And then him about his mom and you know all that kind of shit. Christ, it's fucking hilarious all the shit he said. He said that's fucking so funny. He said, I know I didn't sell drugs because I wanted to.

He said my pop was living, I never, well my pop was living. I never, uh, well, my pop was living. I never look at, I was never looking at drugs. And he said, well, why can't you get a job? That was then. And he said, what am I going to go to school and work? Hell no. And he said, he talked about the guards again. He said, I like to live. I like to live, man. They're going to die miserable. They're waiting for that pension, that social security. What you want to get, 2000 a month? I ain't living that way.

I like to live. Those guards aren't never going to get to experience going down there and just buying what you want to buy. I mean, they don't got to know that feeling. They got to wait for their next check. I ain't waiting. He does know that there are more than just drug dealer and prison guards. There's other jobs. Yeah, it's true. There's other things you could do.

Yeah. Yeah. You could absolutely. It's not that or that, man. There are other jobs, yes. I don't think, I mean, I don't think where this guy's from, he had a ton of options. But if you're from a neighborhood where it's considered an upstanding great thing to do to go get the shit punched out of your head, you don't have the best options. You know what I mean?

Sure. Yeah. But at the same time. Yeah. Middle management, where you make a couple few hundred grand a year, is not going to be in his future. He's not going to be living like that. Yeah at the same time too, though. He had he had an option to box Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. Yeah. Yeah. He just wanted it faster than that, right?

He could have gotten that boxing maybe you never know, you know, there are boxers that throw around a lot more money than that Fuck. Yeah, look at Floyd Mayweather for coming He's the best boxer power pounds ever lived but still, you know best paid to and highly paid Well, that's cuz he never loses that's it got to the point where it's helpful. Yeah, you never lose that's all happen But I mean he had some other Avenue to go down. Yeah, so he didn't even try that shit He got one fight and one no excuse so anyway I didn't even try that shit. He got one fight and one, no excuse. So anyway, this is so fucking great. They're playing all of this shit. His attorney, by the way, his attorney said, quote,

if the tapes are so bad, he's got nothing to lose. So now they're talking about maybe he'll testify to try to explain some of these tapes away and explain that he was just blowing off steam basically. Yeah, that's kind of how that's going here. They also they're talking about a house part of this whole thing. He's accused of running all this shit they said among 300 wiretap conversations the government

played during the five week trial are the ones with the in which Savage and others discussed the drug business. They said if Warren recovers his voice today, Savage may testify and the defense could rest its case. Meantime, both sides quizzed a realtor about a two-story house on Toolpock and Street near Woolston in West Oak Lane, which cooperating witnesses Paul Daniels testified earlier he bought from the defendant Melvin Stein. Also co-defendants.

Daniels testified he bought it with drug money, gave Stein $30,000 under the table, and put the property in his grandmother's name. Realtor George Pittman said under direct examination from Stein's attorney George Marguerite that it is not uncommon for a relative to buy a house for a mother or grandmother nor to transfer the property later. They said it's not permissible to put one price on the settlement documents and pay $30,000 under the table. To me, if I'm the jury, I'm falling asleep during that part. I don't need to know the ins and outs of how they evade the taxes. To me, this is, if I'm the jury, I'm falling asleep during that part. I'm like, you're telling me about-

I don't need to know the ins and outs of how they evade the taxes. Tell me about murder. This is crazy. Yeah, there's murders. Like, you're fucking burying the lead here, chief. What are we doing? So it comes down to the jury here,

and the jury convicts him of conspiracy to distribute cocaine, money laundering, witness intimidation, and witness retaliation. Okay. Gangster shit. Gangster shit. As he's being led from court, he said, it's all right. That's all he would say to people.

It's all right. Yeah. They said the federal law enforcement officers in Philadelphia called the verdict one of the most important in recent memory because of how dangerous Savage was he said mr. Savage is a dangerous man and needs to be locked up for a long time It's a very significant prosecution because if witnesses are silenced and intimidated the whole system would eventually break down because nobody would testify Truthfully at trial. It's important that defendants and witnesses see those who threaten witnesses Will find that they will spend more time in jail and justice will be done

They said that we quote we simply won't tolerate witness intimidation Four defendants were convicted on related charges. They deliberated over four days It's a six-week trial. There's a lot of evidence so you'd have to go through all the shit. And I'm sure they were just like, let's hear those tapes again. That was fun. Weren't those crazy?

That was crazy, right? His defense attorney said, I think we did a good job of exposing the culture of cooperation, which is endemic in the FDC. Authority said that Savage and his buddy were leaders of this multi-million dollar deal here. That's hilarious. One of the tapes, a conversation between Thomas, his co-defendant, and Imam Shazouddin Ali led to a separate corruption investigation that included

the bugging of Mayor Street's office, the mayor's office. Really? Ali, former city treasurer Corey Kemp and more than a dozen other people have been convicted of corruption charges as a result. So this is so... yeah when you're dealing with money like this it's so fucking deep. Shit goes real deep because it's it's fucking money. I mean Jesus Christ man that's that's what That's what makes everything go around. It's the whole reason we're doing this. Yeah, that's it. So fuck, man.

The next title here, this is great, is called, I have an article, it's called Savage Justice. Okay, yeah. Yeah, he's going to be behind bars and they're talking about the fact that he's, you know, he's going to do, he's looking at 20 years here. And then they're also talking about charging him for the firebombing and all that shit too. Wow. So, yeah, this is a lot.

The government's case here, in the Philadelphia, this is an editorial, not an editorial, a send-in, what the fuck are they called? When you send in your bullshit? Well that's the editor. Letter to the editor? Letter to the editor, there you go, that's better. Philadelphia Daily News, letter to the editor,

calling it Savage Injustice. This is by Rob Boyden of Drexel Hill, quote, the recent conviction of former boxer, Kebani Savage, was a serious blow to the rights of every citizen of the United States. Is that right? Really? The government, you, everyone listening right now, it's a

good they they're taking your rights because of this guy. The government's quote case against Savage was built primarily on the testimony of unsavory criminal witnesses who are facing long prison sentences if they didn't testify against him. It's quite obvious that these, quote, witnesses would commit perjury without batting an eye. You, the tapes, bro.

What about the tapes? It's pathetic that it's so common these days for our government to build criminal cases against defendants by using career criminals as their star witnesses. In Kibani Savage's case, the prosecution took the unprecedented move of placing wiretaps inside his jail cell. That was an extremely low blow.

I'm not, I'm not. You should know that anything you say in there, why would you place it a low blow? It's not your house. I would assume, first of all, you shouldn't be saying shit cuz everybody's listening and trying to get something that Get them out of trouble. So number one, you shouldn't listen. Anyway, why don't you ever expect that's fucking gonna be kept kept quiet Imagine he said I'm not saying we should be soft on crime I'm saying that every defendant in a criminal case in this country is entitled to a level playing field and in Savage's case the Playing field was not level by any stretch of the imagination. The government had the upper hand.

Dude, he's firebombed, killed children. I mean what are we talking about? Murdered babies man. He's got like nine bodies on him that we know of at this point, that we know of. Wow, March 11th 2005 Wow, March 11th, 2005, shit, they give leniency to somebody who testified against him. They said a convicted drug dealer who faced a mandatory 20-year prison sentence but cooperated last year, he got his reward, which is knocking 17 years off of his sentence. Eugene Twin Coleman, his buddy there, got his sentence, it was, let's see, they were talking about 20 years, he got, you sir may fuck off, 42 months in prison. Okay.

Less than four years? Which is nowhere close to that. Less than four years. Yeah. And 10 years of supervised release. Okay. And he gets credit for time served, which is like almost two years basically.

So he could be out of prison within a month, they said. And enter a federal witness protection program. That is fucking crazy. Wow, they're saying, look, and the government's saying, look what you could be. If you flip on him, you could be if you flip on him You could be free soon in a protection program Yeah, and looking over your shoulder either way. Yeah. Well that was Coleman lost his mother

15 year old son and four other relatives in the firebombing That's why he flipped which I would have flipped. I said fuck you motherfucker. Let's You know what? I don't care anymore because you're obviously yeah you're probably gonna kill me anyway so guess what you're gonna order it from prison I'll tell you that shit very much it's not gonna be from the comfort of your new fucking hardwood floors shit's gonna be from prison. Somebody else is still in your in the house you built. Yeah exactly so yeah Coleman had pled guilty to conspiring to manufacture and distribute 100 kilos of cocaine. And yeah, so April 26 2006. Jesus Christ, they have memos of all of his shit here. And this is of his recordings. And this is of his recordings and this is fucking horrifying. He's talking about.

The fire bombing. Kevon is no, yeah, Kevonny, and he said, here's a quote, quote, they should have took him. Who they meaning Coleman, they should have took him and got some barbecue sauce and poured it on them sons of bitches. I'm glad the fuck I'm glad the bitch is dead. Those are children man. Yep.

Then regarding the children, you guys are like, you know, kids died too. He said, fuck them. Fucking little baby, he should have died. His pops a rat. He would have been a mouse. His mom's a rat and the pit bull was there. That was a rat and pit bulls clothing That's some cold shit That's cool

That's like in good fellows when Jimmy Conway shoots fucker when when Tommy not Jimmy Conway when fucking Tommy shoots Joe Pesci's character shoots Michael Imperiali. He goes I fuck him. He's a rat. He would have grown up to been a rat whole families fucking rats That's but at least Michael Imperiallli was in his 20s. This is a baby. 15 month old baby. Fuck them. Or some sweet baby rays on them. Fucking little baby, he should have died. KC Masterpiece his ass. Yeah, the dog could talk, he would have ratted on the tail. He would have ratted. His mom's a rat and everybody's a rat in there, even the fucking dog. He made vicious remarks about after Coleman's mother

and obviously cousin, all these people were killed. Wow, his conversations recorded by the FBI are in a government memorandum to be considered by the US District Judge Mary McLaughlin when she sentences Savage tomorrow on multiple federal charges. Like, here's more bad shit about him. Yeah. His lawyer says they're trying to sentence him for murders he's not charged with.

They're making their suspicions plain. And the prosecutor said, we're not asking the judge to sentence Kiboney Savage based on the Coleman tragedy, but it's something that can't be ignored when considered with the rest of the acts of witness intimidation against families. The arson murders of the Coleman family give these threats credibility. They're saying, we're just saying that this is what happens to people he threatens. Which is still, that is really walking the line there though. That's inflaming a jury.

There's dead kids and we think maybe he did it it so sentence him to more is kind of shitty honestly. That's even for this guy you know, Christ. I guess he also savage on these tapes threatened to kill other witnesses as well as a warden, a police captain, a lieutenant and guards at the federal detention center where he was jailed. Wow. He bragged about how easy it was to find someone and how he had soldiers on the street who could carry out his plans. The memo said two months after Savage was jailed, he vowed to melt something in Coleman's daughter's face and kill her. Yeah. Melt her face.

Melt her face and kill her. And then did it. In August 2004 Savage warned Coleman that the feds might be able to protect him but not his mother and daughter. In mid September Savage yelled he wanted to kill Twins family through the prison toilet bowl, a communication system for inmates. One way to put it. That was when they were in adjacent cells. Three days before the murders by fire Savage warned, quote, twin think we gonna rock his

brother, fuck his brother, we gonna hit the N word where it hurt. Fuck his brother, don't care about his brother. Yeah. We're gonna kill his mom and baby. On October 8th, 2004, 18 hours before the arson, Savage, quote, menacingly pointed his finger in the shape of a gun at Coleman while both were in transit to federal court. He later swore he'd kill Coleman if Coleman was mistakenly put in his cell. Only eight and a half hours before the Coleman house was burned to the fucking ground, Savage

called home at 8.30 p.m. here here and that's the call where he instructed his sister whom he used as an intermediary to tell Lamont Lewis to quote get that done. A few minutes later Lewis arrived and then Savage asked to speak to him and then Savage told Lewis who was also known as Poppy Eye not Popeye Poppy Eye Poppy Eye that he was quote, like family and the only one he could trust. And then, the only one he could trust, quote, with that. That thing.

Then Savage told Lewis that Kedada would explain everything to him. He said, you're gonna feel it when she says it because you're gonna understand. That's what he said to him. October 28th, 17 days after the murder, Savage's mother Barbara Ancadada visited him. He asked how Poppy Eye was and his mother said, calming down, Chillin' out.

My boy has done nothing wrong. Oh, my baby. Savage later said he wanted to tell the prison captain that Coleman was now beyond the threat the memo said what can I threaten him? with now Yeah Year later during a break in his drug trial Savage taunted FBI agent Lewis by saying hey, where's twin at? How's his family? He's not even hiding it. Brazen. Brazen. That is filthy, man. I don't even know what the fuck. He's a bad guy. He is a fucking bad guy. So sentencing comes around here.

And man, this is fucking, you have to sentence this guy here. He says, quote, well the judge says, you sir may fuck off 30 years in prison for you. 30 years in federal prison. They said he seemed to accept it in the newspaper. They said he turned, smiled at the more than two dozen supporters clustered on one side of the room and said, it's all right. He said it again.

The US attorney in trying to get the sentence said, Savage is a man who is undeserving of mercy. He said, I've been a prosecutor for 18 years and I've never seen a defendant as vicious, vindictive and hateful as Kibani Savage. I would go as far as saying just cold. And cold. Doesn't understand it.

We've never had anybody. If he never had it doesn't give a fuck. No, this is the worst crime and sports guy ever. It really is I think I've never heard of the most vicious. Yeah, give so little fucks that he fire bombed four children, two people, a dog and said they all deserve they deserve even the pitbull was a rat. Yeah, in pitbulls clothing. That's all the That's fucking crazy. His defense attorney said the judge rightly sentenced Savage for the crimes he was convicted of, not the other illegal acts

that the prosecutors attempted to link him to. He said, thank you for not being, you know, not being fucking, not being swayed by the fact that my client said that they should spread barbecue sauce over the tops of dead children who've been burned to death. Yeah. Um, based dead bodies. Wow. Yeah, that's fucking wild. At one point Savage told a friend in a recorded conversation, you're hurting my kids sending

me to jail, man. Your kids, your mom, nobody's getting a pass, man. They're going to pay, man. That's all I dream jail, man. Your kids, your mom, nobody's getting a pass, man. They're going to pay, man. That's all I dream about, man." That's what he told a friend in a recorded conversation. They told him that. But his lawyer said, he's been castigated and excoriated in the court of public opinion. That's right. Before the judge ruled, she listened to more than a half dozen character witnesses who spoke on his behalf. His aunt said Savage to her represented quote, charity, dignity, respect, and intelligence. Charity.

Wow. Yeah, he gives free fire bombs to meaty families with lots of kids. Yeah. His mom said that in his heart of hearts, he's one of the sweetest people you ever want to know Lady he just got Wow Shit

Savage told the judge that he made mistakes But that he was not the menacing drug brought boss that prosecutors painted him to be he said he was being punished Because he didn't cooperate with the authorities. He said, it's my word against theirs, and I guess because they're cooperated, they cooperated, they're believable now. Yep, he said he could have cooperated too, but that would have meant he would have been lying.

He doesn't lie, that's the thing. He said in the home where he grew up, he said lying was one of the worst offenses. He says, you will never be ashamed of me. He said to his family He turned back and said that and then said never that's right. I won't let you be ashamed of me here May 2nd 2006 Philadelphia Daily News There is an article here that says judging the judges and it and it says, when it comes to intimidation, the seriousness can't be underrated.

So they talk about Kareem Johnson and Kendall Spadey were sentenced to spend their lives plus 23 1 1 2 to 47 years in prison for murdering children. And they said, yeah, that's fine, and that's all that. They're talking about everything there. Then they talk about Savage getting, not getting a life sentence. They said in the audio tapes he was heard threatening to kill a witness's five-year-old

daughter saying, quote, I'm going to blow her little head off. Her little head off. Make her pigtails flop. Also talking about wanting to inject a prison warden with a dope fiend's blood and watch him die slowly of AIDS. This guy just watched Oz and saw what Atabese did. That's what Atabese did in Oz. Which was out, you know, it was already out for years at this point. So he's seen Oz and he's like that's what I'm gonna do.

AIDS needle pow. Everybody gets it. Wow, they said witness intimidation has become more significant as the stop snitching mentality. Remember the stop snitching videos and all that shit? That's a big deal. Carmelo Anthony was involved in those. That was out of Baltimore, but that's like two hours from Philly. So it's right there.

To combat this, the courts have to take any threat seriously as if the bad guy actually stood next to the witnesses and the barrel of a gun against their temples. If we're going to lodge criminal charges against a father who tells his daughter to lie on the witness stand, we must be as determined to punish and sentence to the fullest extent of the law those who threaten and intimidate. The sentence for savage is flat out wrong. It makes a mockery of the law and can instill no confidence in potential witnesses only fear

now Okay August 19th 2007 they say Lamont Lewis remember him. He's the guy that was on the phone Fire bomber there poppy. I I guess an informant told Lamont Lewis I guess an informant told Lamont Lewis during a meal at the pub restaurant in Pensacin on Wednesday that he needed someone killed and Lewis replied that he was the iceman. I'm the iceman I ice people so the authorities then arrested Lewis of West Philadelphia Born and raised when he was driving his blue Jaguar in the city. He was charged with possession and distribution of crack cocaine in addition to murder for

hire for allegedly agreeing to the act. Yeah, in possession of a dickhead car. And being, yeah, in possession of a flashy, stupid English car. He's been considered a person of interest by law enforcement in the arson deaths, though. That's obviously there. They said, we believe this is a significant arrest, an FBI spokeswoman said, talking about the firebombing. They say once they have him in there, then they can continue that investigation. They say that he's involved in ongoing involvement in narcotics trafficking, firearms offenses, violent crimes, including murder. They said from May 22nd until his arrest, the documents

state that Lewis has been selling crack cocaine to a witness who he thought was reselling the drugs, but really who was just giving them to the FBI. And the witness, according to the affidavit, was provided a recorder to capture conversations and money for the purchase of drugs, which was then turned over to the FBI. The FBI directed the witness to tell Lewis during a meeting on August 2nd that he had a serious problem

with one of his drug customers and wanted him murdered. And Lewis said, quote, you know that ain't no problem. No, I got it. I'm the Iceman. Yeah, I've been doing it. Yeah, it it's great the witness gave Lewis a $400 down payment on the killing and was off that's wow this guy does down cheap fucking murders man murder is easier than getting a TV in Pennsylvania and then listen to this too and I offered to provide a gun and then paid Lewis an additional $200 at

the pub for $600 it's almost worth it to have people killed. If that's all it costs. $600 and a gun that's so cheap. That's so cheap. I mean honestly especially if you're on the street and you can like find guns pretty cheap to throw away you know hot guns. Holy shit man.

That's a real one. That's too cheap. Hits need to be more expensive so at least if people have second thoughts you can go $600, fuck that guy. Cops wouldn't even go that low. I can't get a 52 inch fucking LCD for that much, that's crazy. Cops would be like, don't tell him $600, he's going to know you're a cop. This guy was like, that's cool. That's the going fucking price.

So FBI agent served a search warrant on his house in West Philly and he was there. Or he wasn't there, but they arrested him later. He, Lewis by the way, was tried but not convicted in the 2001 killing of Carlton Mohammed Brown, remember that one? Yeah. Who was found shot at 64th Street in Lindbergh Boulevard in southwest Philadelphia. Lewis is also known to police as an associate and trusted friend of Savage, obviously here.

Partially as a result of information provided by Coleman during the trial, Savage is serving his sentence. Savage, they're talking about this guy's possible involvement in the fire bombing here. An FBI surveillance camera, by the way, Coleman lured Tyrone Tolliver into the apartment and shot him in the back of the head, wrapped his body in a trash bag and duct tape stuffed it and was drunk later on. An FBI surveillance camera caught the comings and goings from the apartment on tape. Police raided the apartment, known to be a hub of the alleged drug ring.

A week later they picked up Coleman who then was cooperating because they had him on video taking a corpse out of the apartment. Idiot. And by the way, the FBI let him stay out on the street even though they just watched him carry a corpse. Carry a body. Walk in with a guy and leave with a corpse. And they were like, we'll leave him out there a little longer. I'm sure it's fine. We'll get him in a body, walk in with a guy and leave with a corpse and they were like we'll leave him out there a little longer I'm sure it's fine.

That is also fucking scummy as shit. How about pick him up then and maybe he won't kill anybody else you fucking idiots. Check on it later. Jesus Christ man but that they definitely had him dead to rights at that point. Then was the explosion fire bombing there. I talk about all of that as well. Mother's Day here, 2009. Savage's daughter, Ciara Cici Savage, who's a student at Ross Elementary School,

she's nine years old, is killed in a shootout in York, Pennsylvania. Nothing to do with Kibane Savage by the way. Nothing, nothing. This is two completely separate gangs having a shootout. Think of Bodie fighting for the corner over there and that exact same situation. Hit Kibane's daughter. And hit Kibane's daughter nine years old and killed her oh she was killed at nine by completely nothing to do with him which

is violent behavior that is bonkers man it's unbelievable yeah dude talk about like just like evil attracting evil you know what I mean here's something to imagine that guy knows in Pennsylvania he He knows who that guy is. Oh, yeah Imagine he finds out that Cavani's daughter died in your shootout. You are praying to fuck that. It wasn't you that shot her No, you're not because these guys are all cabanis. That's the problem They're all like fuck him. Yeah, you know what I mean that they don't give a fuck This guy is willing to pour Casey masterpiece on he is on a child. I mean? They don't give a fuck. This guy is willing to pour KC Masterpiece on a smoldering child.

I mean, that's fucked up, man. So yeah, then there's the feds say the girl's dad was a violent drug boss, and it's all, first it comes out this poor little girl, then they're like, her dad's a murderer and a lunatic. Her dad's insane. A fucking lunatic here. He also said that here that,

they call him the head of the perhaps the most violent drug gang ever seen in Philadelphia. And then at one point, because he has talked about killing people's kids a lot to another wiretap had him saying, their kids got to pay for making my kids cry cry but he's going to jail. He said I want to smack one of their four year old sons in the head with a bat straight up. I have dreams about killing their kids, killing their kids, cutting their heads off. This man can never get out of prison. Never ever ever ever.

Number one because he'll murder us. But number two, he'll murder us number one, but number two He says shit like this he why he dreams about cutting children's heads off. That's unbelievable And another conversation. He said the fight don't stop till the casket drop. Why is he so mad? He's so do this is an angry motherfucker boxing would have been amazing for him. Amazing. He would have been a- If he could temper this, Jesus. Shit, well I mean he could take it out on people in the ring like Tyson did back in the day

and maybe that would help him. So- That line was from a fucking song too. Oh it's absolutely, the fight don't stop till the casket drop. I mean that's, who knows. So. What a dick.

What a douchebags. This is a lot, man. So his own daughter there, killed by a drive-by shooting, they called it an ironic twist, I would say. What was it? Yeah. Struck and killed by a bullet intended for another man. Rival gangs, neither of them had anything to do with her father, didn't even know her

father, didn't even know she was anything to do with it. Gangster's kid. Nope. didn't even know her father, didn't even know she was anything to do with it. Gangster's kid, yeah. Nope, Sierra's mother told the Philadelphia Daily News she moved away from Cabana while she was pregnant, Cabani while she was pregnant, to get away from violence, because she thought it was dangerous. To keep the baby safe.

She went to York to be near her mother, brother, and two sisters. She didn't even attend Savage's trial. She has nothing to fuck. She literally moved away to get away from this shit if you've been to York PA, you know how Fucking oh removed from everything. It's very removed from shit. You think okay. This is good. Nothing will get us here No, he said we we've not been together for nine years I've raised my daughters on my own CC was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

No kidding. Yes apparently she said that she notified the chaplain in prison because he was in Florence Colorado at this point. Oh really? Supermax. Supermax there to tell him that Sierra had died and yeah so I hate to be that guy you know he's gonna get yelled at. So York police have issued an arrest warrant for a second person believed to be involved

in the shooting, a 19 year old named Skyler. Oh, Skyler. Skyler. You couldn't have picked a worse career, you idiot. Idiot. Yup. The police charged him with a criminal homicide and criminal conspiracy to commit homicide. Nigel Ali Maitland, 19, of York is being held also without bail after he turned himself

in. He's charged with homicide as well and they're looking for a third person. Nigel and Skyler had a shootout. The shooting was in response to, this isn't even, they call it two rival gangs, but this isn't over turf or money there was a bar fight earlier in the morning in which a Parkway crew member got beat up by a South Side member so they went and did a drive-by and shot a nine-year-old girl whoops on fucking believe now these guys

probably would be terrified when they heard who the hell oh shit I don't want to be in the prison system now either oh fuck so they call they burrow shit barbecue sauce ah fuck man oh god oh my god oh then he went on by the way Savage has more there's more quotes about that yeah them rats they gotta pay that's all I think about. They kids, they moms. I had dreams about hitting P daughter on her inner head, man. Open in her head wide open with 40s dum-dums, man. That's all I dream about. Why would he? That's what he said. Yeah. He also said, quote, to another one, quote, another witness, he

said this directly to a witness and his young daughter, quote, I'm going to kill everything you love. He said, yup, he's got a daughter down daughter quote. I'm gonna kill everything you love He said yep. He's got a daughter down my way. I'm gonna blow her little head off. She's like five He immediately goes to that This fucked up see this is what's fucked too about like the society in general a dude like this Back in the day would have been killed by So they killed by the street. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, his own people would have done that shit to him He's just too reckless. He's a fucking liability

If a mob guy said I'm gonna kill his kids they would have said we're gonna kill this fucking guy We're not having that that's too much attention you fucking idiot That's that's where the heat comes from You know a gangster gets my or found in a trunk you fucking idiot. Now that, that's insane. And it is. That's where the heat comes from. Uh-huh. You know, a gangster gets found in a trunk, it's no big deal, but four kids are burned to death, that's a big fucking deal. It's not good. People outside of your neighborhood

are gonna give a shit about that. He said at one point, listen, don't think my kid's gonna be the only kid's crying, it's gonna be some tears from blood behind mine. I'm just telling you, you've been warned, he told one of the witnesses. Yikes, that is, that's something else. Then his lawyer though has excuses for it.

His lawyer said he was just venting. Is that all? Yep, he said he'd been in solitary confinement for months with no family contact or outside world contact. He said they pushed him to the brink of insanity and then tapped his cell. If you treat a man like an animal, you shouldn't be surprised when he starts to sound like one. Most people, no matter where you keep them, don't start threatening five-year-olds with

murder. That's not a normal thought. Your brain just, you have to, how much would you have to twist your brain to get it to go there? Never mind have that be your first reaction. I'll kill his kids take that Wow, he also said that he savage denied threatening people to discourage testimony But he does want them to stop falsely implicating him and things he didn't do Okay, yeah savage they think by way, is suspected of 11 murders at this point.

May 8. It's more than that. Dude, this is insane. It's got to be more than that. This is fucking insane. Then May of 2009, they get him on tape gloating over the fire bombing deaths. Oh, really?

Oh, yeah. they have that now. He said at one point, without the witnesses you don't have no case, no witness, no crime. No witness, no crime. He's taking nobody no crime somewhere else here. You're almost there buddy. Holy shit. He's got, they're accusing him of ordering the deaths of at least seven people in a pattern of witness intimidation designed to protect his cocaine

empire. They have nearly a hundred conversations on listening devices hidden and they said yeah this would make a great one man show, essentially, if he just said all this shit on stage, that would be fucking amazing. So this time here, he, they face possible death sentences. Him and his co-defendants here. Yep. Their kids got to pay for making my kids cry, shit like that. Want to smack some of their four year old sons in the head with a bat. I want to blow her little head off.

She's like five. All that shit. He says in another conversation talking about the prison guards, he promised about a prison guard quote, he going to die a miserable death and I hope I'm there. I'm going to torture his ass. I'm going to set him on fire alive. Watch him jump around like James fucking Brown. He's not kidding. He's the worst thing. And he means it. He's actually, he's not just

talking shit. That's the thing. This is not a rapper who's making up a story. This is shit he's going to do. Even if a rapper said that you go, Hey, calm down. That might be a little far. Like James fucking Brammy. him jumping around like James Brown? Like James fucking Brown. I mean, it kind of rhymes, but still. In another tape, he vowed to never stop pursuing those he referred to as rats, and that's the fight, don't stop till the casket drop. Yeah. Don't stop till you get enough.

Don't stop till you get enough. I don't think he's a big Michael Jackson fan, but maybe. He could. This is a lot, man. Described by acting US attorney Lori Majid as per a leader of the most violent drug gang Philadelphia has ever seen, he's charged this month with 26 count indictment where it's violence intimidation, murder, drug dealing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you name it.

And he did it, basically. And it's extra too, if you like, try to, if you use violence to try to intimidate witnesses, it's extra bad. That's also good. Transcripts of the tapes they're talking about have been made public. They're putting them out there, here basically.

Deputy Police Commissioner Richard Ross described him as pure evil at a news conference pure evil Savage though on a tape after that said I ain't got no regrets for nothing. I did Nothing he said there's only two ways of get out of the drug underworld for real players either you dead or in jail out of the drug underworld for real players, either you dead or in jail. He says, quote, you accept what you do when you know don't nobody get no free ride, but I do it all over again. I ain't complaining.

All right, that is something. Another tape that he just talks about women and how he said that he should, he said, oh, that he should, he said, oh that's right, he referred to women who he referred to as bitches and who he said should all be licensed to carry guns. He said quote, all my bitches, my little sister got licensed to carry, my wife go and get hers in a minute.

You're gonna be with me bitch, you gotta be my holster. It's just cause he can't carry one cause he's a felon so he needs them to go He said you ain't have to worry about no shooting babe. I'm gonna grab it and do what I gotta do But you gotta be my holster I need you to hold my shit for me. Wow, that is fucking wild Savage is gonna plead not guilty his lawyers argued that the new case is replete with double jeopardy issues because it echoes a lot of the 2005 prosecution for witness tampering and intimidation and all that shit. I don't know about that. Savage, yeah, that's crazy here. By the way, when he testified, because he did testify, he just said he was angry and frustrated and was venting and wasn't actually going to do

any of the things he said on tape. Authorities say, well, he did a lot of the things he said on the tape, which is, you know, that's something. And then, yeah, wow, that's fucking wild, man. That is goddamn wild. That pit bull was in there. That was a rat in some pit bull's clothing is probably the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life. It's pretty fucked up, yeah.

He said a dog was gonna testify against me. Please raise your right paw. No, don't shake with me. Don't shake. No, keep it up. You gotta keep, no, don't shake. All those dogs that sit near drugs, those are all rats in dog clothing.

Rats, wow. So May 20th, 2009, a third rats in dog clothes. Rats. Yeah. Wow. So May 20th, 2009, a third arrest in the Mother's Day slaying here. His daughter, they pick up a third person here who had something to do with this shit. May 30th, 2009, the murder case continued for two associates who were indicted in April with Kibani Savage here. So they'll be later. They were granted requests in federal court

to continue their arraignments until next year. This is Robert Merritt and Stephen Northington charged with murder along with Savage in the firebombing that killed six people and four children and a rat dog, apparently. Merritt and Northington asked for the continuation so each could seek private counsel instead of their court appointed attorneys.

Okay, Kibane pleads not guilty to this. Yeah, he's going to plead not guilty. Didn't do a goddamn thing. He's only 36 at this point too. That's amazing. He's still goddamn young. He's in super max already till he's, you know, in his fucking 60s. So I don't even know what the hell he cares about

This is remember Rob Boyden From Drexel Hill who writes to the editor while he writes in again The presumption of innocence is his title here this guy this guy Recently it was reported that convicted drug kingpin in quotes like it's not true It was reported that convicted drug kingpin, in quotes, like it's not true, has yet again been indicted by the feds, this time on a laundry list of charges, including his alleged ordering of the 2004 firebombing of a North Philadelphia row home in which six people, including four children, died. At the time of the murder, Savage was being held at the Federal Detention Center in Philadelphia,

awaiting trial on drug charges. The feds also alleged that from his cell, Mr. Savage ordered two associates to commit the firebombing. The fact that Savage has been indicted doesn't mean he's guilty. Because he's an American protected by the Constitution, we must presume his innocence. We also must remember that he's entitled to a fair trial. Sure. Sure.

And then we'll put him in prison forever because he's on tape saying he did all this shit and wants it done. This is fucking wild. So the Philadelphia Daily News does a little in re the presumption of innocence by Rob Boyden. He gets a letter back from the editor that says I wholeheartedly agree with Boyden's assertion that Kibane Savage is innocent of these new charges until proven guilty That said if the horrific remarks attributed to Savage are found to be true

There isn't an electric chair hot enough to sufficiently punish him if he isn't executed I sincerely hope he enjoys a year in prison for each of the hundred and twenty one words and Boyden's misguided defense of this convict's Constitutional rights. Yeah, he's a monster. Holy shit. We can say whatever we want after this. Man. Then they're talking about Duod Bay. They said, inmate charged with witness tampering,

feds want to make sure that Duod Bay isn't out to make good on threats. In the nearly 10 months before a federal witness family's dying in a rage. What is witness family is dying in a raging North Philadelphia firebomb convicted drug trafficker Dewod Bay twice sent menacing warnings to the witness Eugene Twin Coleman not to testify at the drug trial. In one threat Bay, a co-defendant of Kibani Savage, promised to kill Coleman and possibly his family.

Coleman testified anyway in spite of grieving for his mother, toddler, son and four others killed in the fire bombings. They keep saying it's son, daughter, I don't know which one it is. I've heard it three times both ways. His testimony led to the convictions of Bay, Savage and two others in the cocaine trafficking case. Now, five years after these threats, the feds took a step to make sure Bay won't carry them out in 2013 when he's due to be released

Whoa? Yes Bay out Bay is getting out in 2013. Yeah, so bad. He's not a good guy But at all all we Bay is here is not good He's not a good guy, Bay, at all. All we Bay is here is not good. Jesus fucking Christ. Yesterday Bay of South Philadelphia was charged in a five count federal indictment with conspiracy and four counts of witness tampering for allegedly threatening to kill Coleman, Paul Daniels,

Craig Oliver, Robert Wilkes, aka Miami, all drug associates turned witnesses. Bay told an inmate in a recorded conversation, quote, when I get out, I'm going to try and kill every fucking rat I know, dog. Yeah, I believe him. That's what he said. Yeah. The indictments for him say that in 2004 and five Bay plotted with Savage to kill the witnesses, their babies, girlfriends and parents to prevent them from testifying. Bay Savage said these rats rats deserve to die, right or wrong? And Bay agreed. In a conversation with Savage, Bay recounted telling Daniels, quote, I'm telling you,

P, snitching ain't cool. Your ass is on the line. Your life is on the line. What makes you think your kids, your family are any more important than savages? Savage directed Bay to target Daniel's girlfriend, an infant, wow, in lieu of his mother, saying, gotta get Tosha's ass, Tosha and that little bitch he's got.

When Savage wanted to retaliate physically against Oliver, Bay agreed, saying, yeah, he need to fuck Craig up. We need a big N-word like him on his ass. Oh Bay told Savage in January 2005. Hey B. I'm gonna go fuck one of them n-words up when I get downstairs Savage replied so you got to tell the n-word you kill in the families They kids their mothers because they think they gonna get out and run south and run down south They think they're gonna get out of here tell on me and then just head to fucking Georgia

and whatever the fuck. No, no, no. Everyone's going to be dead. Last night Bayes attorney said, I thought these were uncorroborated allegations. I guess the fed promised all, uh, all the people a reduction of sentence to get them what they want to hear. That's all it is. Wow.

Um, interesting. what they want to hear. That's all it is. Wow. Interesting. May 3rd, 2010, they're talking about in court that Duod now is going to plead guilty to conspiracy to tamper with witnesses under a plea agreement here. He's already serving the 10-year sentence. Under the plea agreement, he faces a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison, awaiting murder, a rating trial is Kobani, obviously. So they're going to try to get old Bay to testify here. Bay is not charged with murder or conspiracy in that case, but prosecutors said in plea agreement,

more memorandum that he had conveyed a threat to Coleman that Bay would kill Coleman also noting he would kill Coleman's family had they not moved. So there we go now his trial is coming up February 16th 2010 he wants a new lawyer and do you know who that new lawyer is? No. Himself! That's who! Kebani Savage wants to represent himself in a court of law. He's out of his mind. I mean, we've heard his toilet recordings. He's not the most, I can't picture him rattling off legal precedent.

I just can't picture it without using the N word or something. It's probably not going to happen in open court. It's going to be weird. But he wants to represent himself, which is fucking crazy. That's interesting. The lawyer Warren, who's been saying crazy shit to back him up for years now, said that Savage informed him he no longer wanted him as a lawyer. He said Savage refused to see him when he traveled to New York City last week to visit

him at the Metropolitan Correctional Center where he's being held. He said, Warren said, I think this raises serious issues about his competency, pointing out that Savage had been held in solitary confinement for much of his time in prison. He said, I think it's taken a toll. You know that expression. It's driven him mad, yeah. Yeah, he said, you know that expression,

a person who represents himself as a fool for a client? The Kibane I know is not a fool, but this is certainly a foolish move on his part. You bet. And then his house was firebombed and his children were burned to cinder. Kibani I know is not a fool, but this is certainly a foolish move on his part. And then his house was firebombed and his children were burned to to cinder. No, I'm just kidding. But I wouldn't be surprised. Holy shit. So now he's going to represent his fucking self in a multiple, a complicated, this is a complicated case. You need lawyers going over this shit and a whole team of them.

This is not okay to just be like, I'll handle this shit myself. But he is. He's going to handle it himself. He's claiming, by the way, here, before trial, he's claiming that he's not, he wants also, this is the thing, he wants to represent himself so he can get out of solitary, have more access to all that kind of shit, have access to phones and legal things in the library and everything like that.

The US District Judge expressed discontent with him wanting to do that. He said that they left the issue unanswered when answering both prosecutors and prison officials to correct confinement issues that Savage said had limited his ability to prepare for trial. Among other things, he claimed he was denied access to the prison library and has been not allowed outside for several months. several family members and friends ended with savages berating the prosecutors and FBI calling the investigators quote Nazis and claiming that he was the target of racial profiling. That's what you want to do in front of a jury by the way that gets you far.

He said why don't you just lynch me and make your ancestors proud he shouted as the hearing ended and he was led away in handcuffs. Wow. He's going to do great in court, huh? So here we go. We're going to cut it off right there. We're going to do a part two with Kibani representing himself. He's not done doing anything yet, by the way.

You think you're going to hold Kibani down by keeping him in a cell? Fuck no. He's a fucking lunatic. So that is absolutely what's going on here. We're going to cut it off there and we will pick it up next week with him representing or seeing if we can represent himself. And then maybe we get to hear Kibani making an opening statement, which is one of the greatest things I could ever look forward to.

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Sorts of shit and then new ones every other week one crime in sports one small town murder and that includes this week this week We're gonna talk about for crime and sports. We're talk about, it's another volume of bad athlete singing. Bad sports songs, I can't wait to get into that fucking Miami idiot rapping, that's gonna be fun. There's so many, Macho Man's album we didn't talk much about, we'll get into that. So many things to talk about on this episode, can't wait.

Then for Small Town Murder we're gonna talk about remote viewing, which you might go, what is that? Well that is, the CIA spent billions of your tax dollars So can't wait then for small town murder. We're going to talk about remote viewing, which you might go, what is that? Well, that is the CIA spent billions of your tax dollars trying to figure out if they could put a guy in a room and if he concentrated hard enough, he could see shit 10,000 miles away that was happening at that very moment. Wow. Like through a window, like a crit basically tried to make a human crystal ball out of

people for billions of dollars. Hey, guess what? Thank God for drones and cameras. Didn't really go anywhere either. Yeah, we don't need that shit anymore. We'll talk about all of that and more. Patreon.com slash crime in sports. Get on that and do that. And also with that, you get a shout out at the end of the show, which guess when that is right fucking now, Jimmy hit me with the names of the people who would never ever burn our children and want a poor Casey masterpiece atop their charred bodies. Hit me with them right now.

This week's executive producer are Gary Howard, Laura Shin, and Jen Mark. Mayda Luisa and Sam Bam, Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas to you. Annette Hollywood, Courtney Jadal, Jadal Jadal Jadalay Jadalay. And Dr. Rita Miller, thank you all. Thank you.

So much for what you do. We appreciate the hell out of you. Other producers this week are Peyton Meadows, Liz Vasquez, Jennifer and Dan Ward. Happy 18th anniversary. Janice Hill, Jonathan Braun, Samantha Clark, Mysteries with no last name, Nancy Sticelinger, Brandi Lynn Pierce, Richard with no last name,

Amy Jen-A-John? Jen-A-John? Jeni-John? Jimmy John's? Or Celia, I may, no, it's Jenny. That's definitely Jenny. Competitor to Jimmy John's? I like Jimmy John's. I'm getting Jenny John's. Well, I mean, I'll eat anything.

I'll eat Subway, I don't give a shit, but I prefer like a good deli sandwich with getting Jenny Jones. Well, I mean, I'll eat anything. I'll eat Subway. I don't give a shit, but I prefer like a good deli sandwich with a good stiff bun and roll and you know how it goes. Good buns on those Jenny Jones. Or Celia Prize. Diddy Concepcion? Concepcion. Diddy Concepcion.

Oh, Diddy, that's better than Diddy. You gotta be careful. Yeah, it is, yeah. Volkehi. Ian Luckett. Luket, Luckett. Ian Keith careful. Yeah, it is, yeah. Well, Kayhee, Ian Luckett, Luke-it, Luckett. Ian Keith also, that's two different, Ian's, that's rare. John with no last name, Corey Neely.

Julia with no last name, Alexis Croce, Miranda Oliva. Kiddo Coyote, Michael with no last name, Xavier with no last name, Chan Chan with no last name, Lauren Hunter, Heather with no last name, Steven Louder, Amanda Harker, Peter LaFreniere, Neil Poling, Hejai Elizabeth Cajos, that's not right. Patty FK Nelson, also probably not right. Also possibly.

Wim Capella, Christopher Demars, Brie Busell. All right, Mucho Macho. All right. Bucel. Bucel. Bucel. Bucel. Bucel. Bucel. Bucel. Bucel. Bucel. Bucel. Bucel. Bucel.

Bucel. Bucel. Bucel. Bucel. Bucel. Bucel. Bucel. Bucel.

Bucel. All right. Mucho macho. All right. JKU Alien. Jakku. Jakku. Amber.

Fiat. Fiat. Fiat. Amber with no last name. Kaylee Hafner. April with no last name. Samantha McFadden. Madeline Happold, Whitney Patterson, Pam Parker, Kelsey Drew, Miriam Tachydeen, Tachydeen, Tachydeen, Megan, Majen, Majen, Majen Thompson, M-A-G-E-N, what is that, Megan? Megan, Megan, Majen. Megan, Megan, it's Megan Thompson. There we go. That's what that is.

Carlos Edward, Laura, Laura. Their parents did her wrong though, that's right. Yeah, they sure did, they fucked you over, Megan. They spelled Megan they spelled Megan like that. She's like fucking assholes just spell it normal. Kate Maxwell Emily Vanchillette Victoria Lenya Clayton Bonnerk Janice Klee Brian Herman Misty Edwards Kyle Stubbs Lauren truck Custabo Custabo Park

Cows tub cows tub, I don't know. Cows Tub. Cousteube, Heather Orozco, Trenton Miller, Britt McPeak, Anne Marie Cooper, Ree would know last name, Jessica Lingafelt, Lyngafelt, Lynga, all right, Michael Johnson, Cheyenne would know last name, Blake Turner, Lauren Farrell, Mackenzie Engler, Mark Linus, Leslie Foster, Sarah Dixon,

Kevin Etion, Lauren Rushing, Kevin Bacon. Ah, that's amazing. Awesome. B-A-K-I-N, that's very funny. Kevin's bacon. Yeah, he's bacon. William Wagner, Morgan would know last name, Sea Witch 555, Kelly would know last name, Kathy Gas Wagner, Morgan would know last name. Sea Witch 555, Kelly would know last name.

Kathy Gaskell, Trevor would know last name. Eric Giuliano, Willem Verhagen. Verhagen, Willem Verhagen. Kay Nicole, Nancy Cagle, Luke Robinson, John Gray. Corey would know last name. Jill would know last name. Natalie Arch, Steven Condleff, Lisa Eisenberg, Alyssa Heberger, He-Bager, Hebeger,

Hey-Bieger, Avery Aden, Candy Brewer, Jadia, with no last name, Daniel Pittman, Aliza Elise, Elise Johnson, Leila, not Layla, Leila, not Layla, okay. Jennifer Donato, Martha Grigsby, Katie C. Keith, with no last name, Nicole, with no last name, Gabriel Lucero, Evan Katz, Maya Holcomb, Eliza Holly, Miranda Davy, Christina Cruz, Elsa Al-Mansuri,

A.W. Jess with no last name, Megan Vlachis. I'd rather be still. At least you got the Megan part right. You got that nailed this time. I should rather have the other way. That last name's no good. Tiffany Skates, Amanda Redfern. I can't laugh, look at mine.

It's worse, bro. Sarah Delayla. Tara with no last name. Jay's Rock and Roll Stories, Waffle Bros. Rebecca with no last name. Rize804, T Breezy, Laura Burgard. Laura Brigard. Amanda Hamm.

Emily Kittleson. David Talkington. Eric Seuler. Like, mice Talkington, Eric Seuler, like my seller water, Seuler? Seuler? Seuler, oh okay. All right, Alice Mouse, Steve Chippendale, underwhelmed reader, Melinda Johnson,

Jasmine Bond, Jordan Bond, Becky with no last name, Mallory Hakes, Mallory with no last name, Larry Lava King, Jack Skenzel, okay, Sophia Haid, not gonna fuck with, all right, Mickey Farrell, B. Moore, Sarah Forshee, Mary, Mark, Mark Cook, Sydney Olsen, Chris Bee, Erin Garrity, Liz Lisa, Lisa Mikalski, Michael Ski, Amy Williams, Arminda Green, Michael Left Minda our Minda green Michael left which probably Kelsey Dunlap our Minda that's why like our Tiffany or our Minda yeah our men green

Just like your more like your arm would be in the green to in the pink like type of deal like that Yeah, why and all over patrons you guys are the best especially Arminda Green yes thank you everybody so much you're wonderful fantastic crazy sons of bitches we love you and we love all that you do for us so thank you so much hope you're enjoying the patreon stuff and we were gonna take Christmas off of this patreon and stuff but um then we already said we were gonna do it so now we have to do it, even though it's gonna be highly inconvenient

and everything, so we'll figure it out. We're gonna grab them in there. We're gonna do it anyway, because they're good episodes and we're gonna have fun, and we want you to have shit to listen to over your holiday, so we just wanted to have a life for five minutes, but that's okay, nevermind. Why would we do that?

We'll figure that out some other time, I suppose. So thank you so much for all you've done for us. And Merry Christmas, everybody, from the bottom of our cold, dead hearts. We love you. And live from the Crime and Sports studios, we'll see you next week. Bye. If you like crime and sports, you can listen early and ad free now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts. Prime members can listen early and ad free on Amazon Music.

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