Crime in Sports - #441 - Dedicated To Death - Kaboni Savage - Part 2

Episode Date: December 31, 2024

This week, we finish the story with a trial for 12 murders, including the firebombing of women & children. He wants to be his own lawyer, then changes his mind, but his whole case unravel...s when several of his crew testify against him. he lashes out & makes more threats, but the evidence is very strong. Will he be executed, or will the President of the United States get him off the hot seat?Call the judge in your murder trial a "nazi", have your best friends turn on you, and have your only hope to avoid the death penalty rest with the highest office in the land with Kaboni Savage - Part 2!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports crimeinsports@gmail.com facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:03:19 That is patreon.com slash crime in sports, and you get a shout out at the end of the show as well Jimmy you'll fuck your name all up so there's that that said let's dive back into Kabani Savage okay a more fucking apt last name a person has never ever had in the history of the world he his man is a savage absolute savage monster menace there's a lot of words when we left off with him last week if you haven't heard part one You should probably listen to part one, but when we left off last week to give you a little refresher here Kibane was awaiting trial for multiple murders here. Um, he Murdered people in the street. He murdered people as revenge
Starting point is 00:04:02 He murdered he firebombed a house, killed three children, two adults and a dog just because he wanted his ex-partner to know that he shouldn't testify against him. Those were all rats. And plenty of recordings of him saying that he dreams about killing people's children. Yeah. Literally. Yeah, not Mike Tyson just in doing a cut in a promo saying I'm gonna eat's children. Yeah. Literally, yeah. Not Mike Tyson just in doing a,
Starting point is 00:04:25 cutting a promo saying I'm gonna eat his children. This motherfucker is like, I dream about shooting his five year old daughter in the head. That's a different thing. Blowing that little head off. Yes, little pigtails flopping about. So, here we'll catch up with him in February of 2010
Starting point is 00:04:42 where he, this is great, the Philadelphia Inquirer newspaper, their headline is drug boss gets new lawyer. Okay, Chester County defense attorney Christian Hoye, this guy is, he's a veteran Philadelphia defense attorney and his other lawyer's gone. And at the same time, he has, through this, Kabbani withdraws his request to represent himself.
Starting point is 00:05:07 He had- Oh, he's done with that now. Yeah, he tried to represent himself as we left off, which would have been, oh, I wanna hear Kabbani Savage's opening statement more than I wanna hear anything in the world, because that shit would be crazy. Yeah, he is on trial for racketeering and murder,
Starting point is 00:05:22 and this could carry the death sentence. So, yeah, it's a federal death sentence here. They said there were developments during a short hearing at the court. The judge granted Savage's request to replace his lawyer. So he does that. I guess his old lawyer had represented him in the unsuccessful 2005 drug trafficking case and where you know, Kobani lost. He said that he patted Savage on the back
Starting point is 00:05:46 and wished him good luck after he left the courtroom. And so he said he didn't really feel like he was all that invested in the case. Not getting caught, I guess. Good luck in jail, asshole. So before the hearing, Warrens, the old lawyer, said he was disappointed that Savage wanted to replace him because he thought he could win the case.
Starting point is 00:06:05 There's recordings of him talking about, A, go firebomb these people, and then later, I'm glad we firebombed those people. Like, I don't know what case you're gonna win on this shit, dude. This is wild stuff here. So Savage, in letters to the judge, had complained about his inability
Starting point is 00:06:21 to meet with his lawyers here and asked to act as his own lawyer originally here. And in appointing this new lawyer, the judge said he would arrange for Savage to be transported to the Federal Detention Center in Philly for two days each month so he could consult with his lawyer in person. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:06:39 He was shackled and handcuffed and nodded and smiled at his friends and relatives at the hearing. He's got a big cheering section too, which is another fucking weird thing here. Unlike a hearing last month at which he alleged he was the target of racial profiling and illegal lynching by investigators and prosecutors he described as Nazis. So he's... Good call. Yeah. This lawyer said, hey, when we get in there just shut the fuck up and let me talk enough with the Nazi talk. Don't talk about yet. Try not to call the judge a Nazi who's going to decide your case.
Starting point is 00:07:09 They tend to not like that. Yeah. But even if you think he is, but as he was leaving the courtroom in the custody of federal marshals after the judge left the bench, Savage looked back to his relatives and friends and said, going back to the slave quarters. But he waited for the judge to get out of the room before he did it here. He is in prison on 30 years.
Starting point is 00:07:30 He has 30 years in prison on drug trafficking charges from 2005, by the way, here. So as we know. Now, March 2nd, 2010, one of his buddies admits to a scheme to intimidate those who plan to testify. Now he's getting people flipping on him. He's the big fish.
Starting point is 00:07:49 So they're giving out deals to people to testify against him, which makes sense. And one of his people here, Duod Bay, Duod, remember Duod Bay? Or B-E-Y, we should call him. Yeah, we should call him Wee Bay, Wood Bay. Old Wood Bay here. He pleads guilty to a witness intimidation charge
Starting point is 00:08:09 admitting that he and Savage plotted from prison to threaten witnesses and their families to keep them from testifying. This guy's already serving a 10 year sentence for dealing drugs and now he faces an additional 20 years in prison after this. Which is better than a death sentence which is what he was up for,
Starting point is 00:08:25 was being part of a murder plot. That's a win, I guess. I guess it's a win for him. Old Woodbay got one out here. So let's see, May 28th, 2010. This is fucking great. Woodbay here, you know this is a good deal for Woodbay here.
Starting point is 00:08:41 He says, my past is no longer part of my future, as he read from a prepared statement during his sentencing. Here, the judge sentences him to, you sir, may fuck off 36 months in prison. Three years. That's a pretty sweet gig. Wow, that's a good deal for witness tampering, conspiracy, and all this type of shit. That is wild. I'll tell you what, man.
Starting point is 00:09:09 Half of the sentence is to be served after he completes his current sentence. So they're letting half of it run concurrently and half of it consecutively here. That is fucking wild, man. Jesus. That's, wow, I don't even know what to say about that. He was overheard in jailhouse tapes threatening to kill witnesses and shit.
Starting point is 00:09:29 Right, and three, okay. Yeah, that's specifically one incident. Bay on the recorded told Savage about having a confrontation with a guy named Daniels in the prison waiting room regarding his cooperation. We talked about those two meeting. Bay recounted that he told Daniels in the prison waiting room regarding his cooperation. We talked about those two meetings. Bay recounted that he told Daniels, I'm telling you, P, snitchin' ain't cool. Your ass is on the line.
Starting point is 00:09:50 Your life is on the line. Three to six months. All right. Shocking. That's, wow. What the fuck to say about that? Wow. March 28th, 2011. Kibani's not happy with his accommodations at the Federal Detention Center doesn't like it there doesn't like jail very weird. Yeah
Starting point is 00:10:12 He said that anything would be better even Guantanamo would be better than this He said what it put me in a fucking six by eight cage. I don't know I'm naked a naked pyramid. I'd rather that's Iraq, but that's fine Wasn't Guantanamo Guantanamo Guantanamo's in Cuba the yeah No, that was Iraq. That was that was an Iraq. Are you sure I am absolutely a hundred percent positive It's Iraq that they did why well, why did they want to shut Guantanamo for the for the poor treatment of? Prisoners there it's just poor treatment of prisoners everywhere when it comes to that
Starting point is 00:10:49 But yeah, the pyramid was in absolutely in Iraq. That was uh, yeah That was that young lady with the cigarette in her mouth all that shit Now Guantanamo there's no pictures from Guantanamo. That's a different type of facility This was just holding, because that's like a, that's different. We put different people there. Oh, Abu Grabe. Abu Grabe, there you go. That's the name of it. That's the naked pyramid.
Starting point is 00:11:10 Yes, Abu Grabe. Yeah, thank you. Yikes. I couldn't remember the name of it. So yeah, he said this is worse than Guantanamo. Okay, well it might be because there's no naked pyramids there. It's bad. Yeah, that could be fun. We don't know what they do on a Saturday night. That's how they fuck around. Here, they don't do that shit. He complained about conditions under which he's being held.
Starting point is 00:11:31 He says, I refuse to speak to my appointed counsel under these conditions. OK. He also asked the judge to quote, send me to Guantanamo, Cuba, the nearest death row unit, or back to Colorado. Yeah, that's pretty fucking funny. Well, you don't get to make demands.
Starting point is 00:11:49 That's the problem. It's not a hotel where you say, I'd like to be on the side with the view of the pool. Let's, you don't get to do that. Like they're just, they just give you wherever the fuck they want you here. They said that the secure for security reasons, the details of the confinement have
Starting point is 00:12:06 not been made public, but he has described it as a lockdown with limited access to other inmates and limited communication and visitation rights with anyone outside the prison, which for what he's done seems appropriate. Yeah. If he has any communication, he will have people's houses firebombed. Can we keep this guy under the jail? Is there like another bunker unit we can keep this guy in? With children and dogs inside. He's not scared. Not at all. That's wild. His lawyer, his new lawyer said under heavy duty restrictions it's natural that he's upset over the conditions of his confinement. Well yeah, it's natural he's upset by it, but you still have to meet with your lawyers. He said Guantanamo's a
Starting point is 00:12:42 better alternative and he also complained about being confined with known terrorists. This motherfucker is going to make moral judgments? Evidently. This motherfucker is going to make... He's got things to say. Hey, that guy's beneath me. You killed kids. You intentionally killed children. You are a terrorist is what you are, sir. Period. Like that's fucking insane.
Starting point is 00:13:05 In a memo filed, he wrote that while in federal prison in Florence, Colorado, he'd been in a restricted prison unit with convicted 9-11 conspirator. Yes, you are with scumbags in the super max because you are a scumbag. You're all scumbags now together. Have a fucking scum party. I don't know what to tell you.
Starting point is 00:13:22 These people were convicted of plotting the 93 World Trade Center attack. Yeah, sorry. You fuck. Are you nuts? Like what? Wow. Evidently. Yeah. He said also he was housed with convicted Times Square bomber, Fazil Shazad at the Metropolitan Correction Center in Manhattan. Well, people don't get to complain. They're in there with fucking puff daddy either. You know what I mean? Like Sorry, but you're in jail with other scumbags. That's the way it works. Yeah What the fine Weinstein has to be somewhere? That's what I mean. We got to put him somewhere He said quote I'm still supposed to be an American citizen
Starting point is 00:13:59 You are and you're in an American prison from you. Yeah, sorry Yeah, you don't get that taken away. If we could, you'd be a good candidate for it. I'd love to give you a Haitian citizenship. I don't know where we'd send you. No one would take you. That's the problem. Hey, you want this guy who kills children and dogs?
Starting point is 00:14:15 Probably not. Nobody's drafting you. I mean, that sounds fucking par for the course for some really awful country. I was gonna say, is there a death squad somewhere that's recruiting? Because he'd be a prime candidate for a high position in one of those outfits Syrian government was over was overthrown I'm sorry what's going on
Starting point is 00:14:30 there oh fuck April 7th 2011 here the there's a guy named there's a guy gonna be Nigel Maitland is a guy who fired a shot that killed Sierra Savage who is his daughter so CC so they caught the guy who did this and again that was the other thing his nine-year-old daughter this wasn't about him at all this was just she got caught in crossfire of two rival people shooting at each other which is honestly bonkers man talk about like like that weird like Heathcliff fight of violence that goes around it just pulls everything into it man moment that just accidentally takes a child that is wild so that guy is sentenced to state prison to for 25 to 50 years
Starting point is 00:15:20 so it seems does it seem light i don't know i it wasn't, they didn't intend to kill the child, so. You fire a gun in a city limit or in a neighborhood. Still not premeditated murder of a child. No, no, yeah, I don't disagree with that. I'm just saying, if it hits a child, maybe it should be, they should call it aggravated. You know what I mean? It could be aggravated, but the point is
Starting point is 00:15:42 it's premeditated, just because it sucks doesn't because it sucks doesn't mean that it'd be planned it You know what I mean, so the law is the law written like that, but it'd be nice to see it You know different. I mean if you're killing kids kids fuck you know shoot kids, so they said yeah during the sentencing the The people who his family savages family addressed this guy in court I'm surprised they didn't threaten him with a firebombing. Honestly, yeah. Jesus Christ, so they said that he has a daughter of his own, so they told him about that,
Starting point is 00:16:11 that you should be ashamed of yourself and all that. The young man that shot a baby has a baby? Yes, has a baby, of course. One of the people said, quote, based on the fact that I don't think he's owned up to what he's done, I believe it was an appropriate sentence. Investigators immediately called the shooting an outrage, saying that the girl was an innocent bystander.
Starting point is 00:16:29 Obviously, she was outside of her goddamn elementary school for fuck's sake. I mean, you can't get more of a bystander than that. So happens near school. Fuck man. So April 19th, 2011. Now we're talking about people might be William a lawyer for another defendant a lawyer named William spade Says that Lamont Lewis might testify against him now So now members buddy Lamont Lewis from part one. Well now old big dummy Lamont here is gonna testify
Starting point is 00:16:59 He said that he said noting it seems certain that the government has now reached an agreement with Lewis He said noting, it seems certain that the government has now reached an agreement with Lewis. So he had agreed to cooperate more than a month ago when prosecutors announced they would seek the death penalty for Savage and other defendants in the case, but not Lewis, because he made a deal. So yeah, but his lawyer says that the fact that his motion, they said three days before they filed the death notices,
Starting point is 00:17:22 the government filed a sealed motion as to Lamont Lewis. So they made a deal with him before that, because we know that's for a fact here. He was arrested in 2007 during an elaborate FBI sting operation in which a South Jersey man posed as a drug dealer seeking to hire him for a contract killing, if we remember that conversation. Right. That was fucking hilarious.
Starting point is 00:17:45 So yeah, Lamont Lewis is now going down, obviously, but he's gonna testify. They said it's obvious from this discovery that the government intends to build its case on the testimony of Lamont Lewis, who according to the government itself was one of Savage's chief assassins. Not good.
Starting point is 00:18:03 No. July 23rd, 2011, Kadada, remember Kadada? Yeah, his sister. Yeah, sister Kadada now is going to be charged as well. For all this. She's named in a superseding indictment unsealed. The indictment also expanded the charges against Kibani Savage. Two other co-defendants alleged alleged drug dealing hitmen, Stephen Northington and Robert Merritt, also named the 17-count indictment, which repeats many of the charges detailed
Starting point is 00:18:32 in the indictment handed up in 2011, including 12 homicides linked to the drug underworld, at least eight believed to be tied to witness intimidation. So they're charging her, just like them, in the conspiracy to commit murder because she was the one that he told to basically have the firebombing done. Most of the new information in this case, including specific details tying Kadada to the firebombing murders is apparently being provided by Lamont Lewis.
Starting point is 00:18:59 So now they have the evidence. Oh shit. Lamont, yeah. It's a conspiracy. It's a conspiracy. Yeah, absolutely. She was taken into custody by federal authorities and scheduled to be arraigned. So very interesting. The indictment alleges that she was the one that sent Eugene Twin Coleman, who was also in prison at the time, warning him not to cooperate and posting personal information about witnesses on an
Starting point is 00:19:26 internet website in an attempt to intimidate them. And also the they alleged that the day before the shoot the fire bombing October 9 2024 Kabbani Savage called Kadada from prison and the indictment states that Lamont Lewis was with Kadada at the time and Kabbani told him to do what Kadada would instruct him to do. According to that, according to Lewis and this indictment, she told Lewis she would pay him $5,000 to burn down the home of witness Eugene Coleman's family and kill members of the family. She's fucked is what that is. Yeah Yeah, so Kadada in court is described by federal prosecutors as a remorse a remorseless underworld lieutenant for her convicted drug kingpin brother As a lot that said oh man the duo according to federal prosecutions
Starting point is 00:20:20 orchestrated multiple murders including six people obviously in the firebombing details of her role in her brother's alleged underworld reign of terror were outlined in detention motions filed by federal prosecutors here. Now, all four of these, she even faces the death penalty. Yeah, they said that neither Kabbani nor Kadada seemed to care about the consequences of the firebombing, which authorities have described as one of the most horrific examples of witness intimidation in Philadelphia history. The mafia wouldn't do that. Like that's a lot. That's fucking crazy. A day after the arson, wow, Kadada had a discussion with Lamont Lewis, the guy who she hired to do it,
Starting point is 00:21:03 discussion with Lamont Lewis the guy who she hired to do it and They said she asked yo you seen the news and Lewis replied. Why didn't you tell me there were kids there? He didn't know there was fucking kids in the house No, cuz he didn't care. That's why he doesn't care about those children. He's not gonna tell you be careful I mean, but this is uh, this is his testimony now, but with that, according to the prosecution, Kedada Savage just smirked and then said, fuck him. There's dead kids, fuck him. That's gonna look great in court. That is, that's what every juror's gonna go sit down
Starting point is 00:21:38 and have in their head. Dead kids burned to crisp, fuck him. That's not good. Wow, besides that also, she posted names of witnesses Burn to crisp. Fuck them. Fuck them. That's not good. Wow. Besides that, also she posted names of witnesses on a website attempting to intimidate them. She did this using her screen name Dizmatic, with a D, with a Z, I mean. Dizmatic. The government motion also alleges that when Kedada Savage was arrested last week after
Starting point is 00:22:02 the indictment was unsealed, adding her as a defendant, authorities found a handwritten list of names and addresses of witnesses and witnesses' family members in her car. This is not good at all. It's getting heavy. They're finding all the evidence here. September 17th, 2012, they're doing jury selections, and obviously that's a touchy thing because their identities have to be held privately,
Starting point is 00:22:30 and also a lot of people have heard about this shit too. They said about 500 potential jurors are expected in federal court to begin the process. That's a shitload of jurors to do this. And they gotta find 12 people that don't know shit about it. Yeah, out of 500? Wow, that is crazy. This is 12 homicides are charging him.
Starting point is 00:22:49 For February 4th, 2013, trial begins for Kibani. Here we go. It is on here. He's already in jail for 30 years, by the way. Yeah, none of this really matters that much. No. Yeah, except for trying to keep him from ever getting out. And on death row he'll have less access to other people
Starting point is 00:23:10 to threaten him, that's about it. So he testifies. Really? Oh yeah, he's got nothing to lose, he's fucked. I suppose, yeah. So he testifies and the prosecutor says, ever threaten to kill his daughter? And Savage said yes
Starting point is 00:23:28 He said and when you threaten to kill his daughter you meant it at the time and he says at the time yes So then he said I was just venting he said quote just vented we just talking This is our state of mind right now us against them. I'm just in a perplexed situation and I'm venting and it's coming out All right, he said that in court That is interesting, but that's what he testifies to in a pretrial thing now February 5th 2013 opening statements come back here and Wow, Jesus Christ They said the defense said they will put prosecution witnesses, drug dealers,
Starting point is 00:24:06 violent criminals, and murderers on trial. Our guy won't be the only guy on trial here. They said Lamont Lewis, the star witness, is as big a piece of shit as anybody, and we're going to tell you all about him. He said that Lewis cut the deal of the century. He's admitted to 11 murders, but has avoided the death penalty and can get as little as 40 years for the slaughter of 11 people. Which is pretty impressive. And also he was overheard on a tape saying authorities wanted him to lie on somebody
Starting point is 00:24:34 about the fire and they're saying that would be Kibani Savage. He said that they wanted him to lie about. So makes a lot of sense here. So the jury is going to see evidence of past drug sales here and they do, they bring in all of his old shit. They bring in like all of his coke processing stuff. They have any kind of anything, any physical shit they can show people that they have sitting in an evidence room. They wheel into this courtroom and go, see, look at all this shit he had. And they got out all of his stuff, everything, the process coke, and they're explaining what
Starting point is 00:25:08 each thing is just to show who he is. Wow, that is fucking crazy. He showed recompression components that traffickers used to package coke, the jurors saw cutting agents used to dilute coke, and a wooden mallet that was used to break down the coke here. Yep. So they raided properties were obviously in Philly there. They said at the time the search warrant was executed, Savage was confined to his home while awaiting murder charges here. Which remember he was acquitted of those charges in 2004.
Starting point is 00:25:40 And then he did more. So good job. Well that's what happens when you acquit a bad guy. That's what happens there. So yeah, he's a bad fucking guy. We'll just say that here. On Thursday, his lawyer cross-examined an FBI Special Agent Kevin Lewis. The agent admitted he had, quote, no idea who shot Mr. Savage at a recreation center
Starting point is 00:26:00 in March of 2001 when Savage was on house arrest. And we didn't know about that till now, that he got shot. He got shot at home somehow. We're not sure. So their trial continues, this is a long trial by the way. Today it's Twin is gonna be testifying. Eugene Twin Coleman is going up there.
Starting point is 00:26:21 He said how he began as a lookout when he was a kid for Kibani on the streets there, and they grew to be associates and everything. To, the prosecutors allege that, obviously, that they've tried to get Eugene to stop testifying. That Savage, this has been the main target, is to get him not to testify. It was his family that was firebombed.
Starting point is 00:26:46 So, he twin testifies that hours before his six relatives were murdered in the firebombing, he unexpectedly encountered the Kobani Savage. He said Coleman had been waiting in a holding cell and US Marshals escorted him, escorted Kobani Savage to a neighboring cell and Savage knew that Coleman had become a cooperator and that's when he started ranting and yelling as we talked about saying he's a rat, his mother, all of them.
Starting point is 00:27:16 Kill all the rats. Kill all the fucking rats, he's quoted as saying. They said that minutes later the men were waiting with other inmates in a tunnel. Coleman said he glanced back at Savage He said then cabani grinned at me looked and went just like this and he slid his fingers across his neck. Oh So he said that he recounted the encounter during his second day on the witness stand here Wow the day after that encounter at dawn That's when two people torched the house
Starting point is 00:27:45 and blew it up here and killed all those kids and shit. So yeah, Coleman is a big witness because he did a lot of crazy shit for this guy. So yeah, he's got the most to say basically too. He's got, he knows a shitload. He talked about Savage Allegedly Offered. They talked about, he said a shitload He talked about Savage 11 allegedly offered They talked about he said it at this point. He said that Quote we was like a family like the black like the little black mafia. He said we had our own little thing and
Starting point is 00:28:17 when Savage ordered an enforcer to execute a dealer and Coleman's Palmetto Street apartment Coleman said he helped out with the hit. He recalled wrapping the victim Tyrone Tolliver in green garbage bags, hauling him to the car and abandoning the car on a darkened block. Then Coleman went back and sanded and bleached away the blood stains on the floor. He went back with fucking sandpaper. Wow. On leather seats to get it all out.
Starting point is 00:28:44 Fuck on the floors and the place too. So wow, they said that after this murder- He sanded a wooden floor? To get the blood stains out of it. Wow, Jesus. Yeah, bleached and sanded it off after that. That is cold blooded, man. Yeah, you're not going to see bleach stains or any of that shit because I'll sand the
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Starting point is 00:30:55 Follow Hollywood and Crime, The Cotton Club Murder on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge all episodes of The Cotton Club Murder early and ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus. Not fucking around. So apparently they talk about how he, you know, after this murder the FBI pressed him to cooperate and and Twins said I was tired and I had had enough, is what he told Savage's lawyer during the cross-examination here. So that September, Savage's sister, Kadada, sent Coleman a letter in prison reminding him
Starting point is 00:31:30 of the phrase, death before dishonor, and he said that was a message Coleman said, and he knew it was a message, and that's why he was, that steeled him up to testify then. So the defense now gets a shot at these witnesses here and obviously they're going to say a lot more different a lot different things here than any than the prosecution is going to say as he completed a third day of occasionally contentious cross-examination the savages lawyer did not ask Coleman about those specific remarks of kill all the fucking rats and all that shit they talk about
Starting point is 00:32:07 He said we did point to FBI reports before the attack in which Coleman said others in the Federal Detention Center had threatened him and his family They're saying is Kibani Savage the only guy to threaten you And he says no no other people have threatened me. Yeah, he said, but he said that Coleman told agents in 2004 that he was worried that Muslim inmates who knew he had become a government witness planned a sit down about him. Like they were gonna kill him basically. So he's like, isn't that true?
Starting point is 00:32:36 Weren't you afraid of the Muslims killing you? Right, so it could have been them. How do you know it's fucking Kibani Savage basically? How do you know it wasn't all the Muslim guys in jail? And he said, I don't know. At one point he said that Bay was talking to Kabbani through the toilet bowl, he testified. Yeah, that's my favorite.
Starting point is 00:32:55 That is my fucking favorite. That's a great line to give in a fucking trial here. That's nice. That is amazing. So yeah, there's Eugene, there's twin Coleman, April 1st, 2013 here, I believe is Lamont Lewis testifying. Um, and he is the guy who set the fucking fire. So wow, that's, that's crazy. During questioning by the attorney, uh,
Starting point is 00:33:20 Lewis conceded that after the fire bar bombing and after he had killed the children, he was supposedly upset They were victims, but he continued to sell drugs carry a gun and continue to shoot at people They were like you were so upset you retired from the life and he was like, well, I mean, no I still shot people and stuff but you know pistol for life still gonna do stuff here That is fucking amazing He he's continued to be on the stand for a few days obviously because they're going to try to really, really take his story apart, but
Starting point is 00:33:50 he sticks to his story on the stand. Unbelievable. Sticks to it. The defense suggests that the minimum sentence for an admitted hit man cooperating with authorities in the fatal 2004 bombing may be less than it seems based on his plea deal. They're saying, don't believe him. Witness Lamont Lewis had admitted to committing 11 murders, testified that he set the fire with his cousin Robert Merritt on orders from Kobani Savage. During questioning though, Lewis acknowledged that he's hoping to do less than the 40 years he's been sentenced to. Okay. So they said that the lawyer suggested that Lewis, who has already served out five years,
Starting point is 00:34:32 could get time off for good behavior and be released in under 30. Lewis told the jury he'd be the first to say that he doesn't deserve it, but he would like to serve less time even though he doesn't deserve to get out of there. Who the hell would say I'll do more? I'll do more, I deserve it. And the prosecution emphasized the ultimate sentence anywhere from 40 years to life is up to the judge. So, there you go.
Starting point is 00:34:53 Lewis said that he and Merritt had believed Coleman's mother and brother were in the home and that was it, that's what they were told. They said they were shocked after learning how many people were killed. He said we were both really messed up about what happened Does that make it better? I don't think it does no I don't think so, but today he needs to say that so the jury doesn't think he's a monster. Yeah. Yeah
Starting point is 00:35:14 So he did so he didn't say fuck him afterwards because that's a monster. That's the bad stuff Wow April 16th 2013 here This Um, this is wild. He, Kibani Savage, I guess at one point was trying to explain to an inmate in the cell adjacent to him how he felt about the drug case pending against him and the cooperating witness. And he said, tears of rage. That's what Kibani said, not tears of sadness.
Starting point is 00:35:43 He said, I'm flooded internally from them. Tears don't work that way. They don't go back into your body and flood you. Luckily they come out and just fall right off of your face. It's pretty easy. And the pre-willing useless out there they do no harm. None. He said I'm flooded internally from them. Almost drown myself every night man. Tears of rage cause these son of a bitch is gonna pay man They gonna pay they kids gonna pay they mama gonna pay I know you get tired of me saying it man But that's the kind of conviction I got for this shit, man. I'm dedicated to their death, man Yeah cries inward that is some shit. That was February 2004 back in the day before the firebombing
Starting point is 00:36:23 So that's very very relevant here So they're playing all of his old tapes all of his old hits are coming out all the hits Oh, they're like ABBA when Mamma Mia came out like they're just like all our old hits are hits again This is great. We didn't have to do shit, and it's already they just made it for us look at that We're selling mad fucking albums. This is crazy So this is over 300 conversations that they're gonna play for the jury, by the way. Wow. All of him saying insane shit. The barbecue sauce one at the,
Starting point is 00:36:55 also the funerals of those, quote, burnt bitches that's in there. Jesus. That is not good at all. They said, one of his lawyers said, Mr. Savage's feelings toward cooperating witnesses have already been made abundantly clear to this jury through hours and hours of tape recordings.
Starting point is 00:37:14 Do we need to keep listening? And they were like, yeah, we do. We do. But the defense lawyers argued that excessive use of the tapes that focused on the same topic should be barred because of the cumulative impact they could have on a jury. So they said the government has cherry-picked the most prejudicial minutes of the recordings from thousands of hours available to them. Prosecutors say it shows his intent, motive, consciousness of guilt, and if we show that he's
Starting point is 00:37:40 doing it often, it's not just venting one time. He's serious. Okay. If we have him ten times saying he's going to kill these people and then these people are dead, that's something. Yeah. Shit. I mean, come on, man. He's threatened to kill investigators also, according to the transcripts of several tapes cited by the prosecution.
Starting point is 00:38:00 Also lashed out at an unidentified captain at the federal detention center gleefully promising a particular brutal death for him and For that I think we'll let cabani use his own words here. What do you say? What death does he want he why well we'll find out here with an in their own words quote That captain motherfucker man. He gonna die a miserable death and I hope I'm there. I hope I'm the cause of that motherfucker. I'm gonna torture his ass. I'm gonna set him on fire, alive. That's what I wanna do to an N-word.
Starting point is 00:38:33 I wanna set an N-word on fire, alive. Watch him jump around like James fucking Brown. Get a metal chair and some cuffs. Douse him with gasoline. Set his ass on fire. Say welcome to hell bitch Is that the Craziest in their own words of all time or what I think it might be
Starting point is 00:38:54 So yeah, that's what he said, but that's this is the context of it. We heard it earlier Holy fucking shit, man Dance around like James Brown. Yep, they bring up the I'm gonna blow her little head off. Dance around like James Brown. Yep they bring up the I'm gonna blow her little head off she's like five. This kid's gonna pay for making my kids cry talking about I'll kill witnesses kids because my kids are sad. Wow open her head up wide with 40s dum-dums man that fucking shit. He said that that's all I dream about is killing this guy's children. I ain't got no regrets for nothing I did. I ain't complaining about
Starting point is 00:39:30 my lifestyle he said at one point. Called everything the fruits of his labor if we remember. I said been about everywhere I want to go. These guards are never gonna experience that. Remember saying they were jealous of him. Yeah. You know talking about how he goes and buys two jet skis and all that kind of shit Spend a dime on some bitches 12,000 just a trick All day long, that's right. Wow, he said It's a bad one. It's a real bad one He said so I sit back in here and I ain't got no regrets
Starting point is 00:40:03 Look at the watch you pay fifty thousand for a watch these motherfuck I ain't got no regrets. Look at the watch. You pay $50,000 for a watch. These motherfuckers ain't got $50,000 houses or cars. You got this shit on your wrist. No regrets. Who doesn't have a $50,000 house to Bonnie? I mean, some people. You'd have to live in the hills. Yeah, trailer in the hills.
Starting point is 00:40:21 You'd have to live in the hills like the, what was that, American Hollow documentary where the guy tried to bail He tried to bail his brother out who was held on $5,000 and with two houses they weren't worth enough to bail him out One was worth like $1,200 and the other was worth like $2,200. They couldn't two houses couldn't make bail. Oh so the defense opens their case in April, April 22nd of 2013. And they call witnesses to cast doubt on incriminating recordings, they say, and testimony from prosecution witnesses. I don't know how you what how you even attack this mountain of evidence. I don't
Starting point is 00:41:01 know how you do that. But the the Philadelphia Daily News their headline reads threatening killer or playful nice guy He says he's he says he's playful Staken for I One or the other of those that's it. That's it that one of his girlfriend said he was basically just playing I guess that's what every girl plays when they scroll Tinder. Yeah, no shit. Threatening killer or playful nice guy. No shit.
Starting point is 00:41:30 So they said that, in your common language that we both use, it's not a threat. Talking about something he said that he was just playing around. He said, one time he said, we got a bond for life, I'd kill you before I let you go.
Starting point is 00:41:46 And he's saying, that's not a threat. That's just like a statement of saying how much I love you actually. It's just how it goes, man. Yeah. Then one of the people said that, has he stalked you, they asked a witness, after the jury heard a 2006 phone call
Starting point is 00:42:00 in which Savage from a federal prison was heard threatening to put a spy on Copeland after accusing her of this girl of going to parties, his girlfriend, and she said actually he was kidding. It was a playful call. It's just joking. Just joking. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:17 Just joking. Maggie Ortiz, a neighbor of the arson victims, told the jury that seconds before hearing an explosion and six gunshots, she heard a man and woman arguing in the front door of the row house. Quote, what the fuck are you doing? Think about what you're doing. People live there, you're crazy, the woman said in Spanish in the predawn darkness according to her.
Starting point is 00:42:36 In English, the man cursed and shouted to be left alone. Man, leave me the fuck alone. He went, he kept doing it after there was a witness watching him do it. Wow. In a matter of seconds boom she said I never witnessed anything like that I guess not no the fucking firebombing then Savage's trial they hear a tape from about his mother Barbara Savage testified about events leading up to the 2004 fire bombing here. Wow. The video is a January 3rd recording of Barbara Savage testifying about the events leading up to the fire bombing.
Starting point is 00:43:21 Prosecutors say that he ordered here in her testimony, Barbara Savage said that Kibani tried to befriend Coleman, who she said was lying about her son. She said there was a time I thought he was a nice guy, meaning about Coleman in her video testimony. She recalled the night before the fire bombing when Lewis rang the doorbell of the Savage family's North Philadelphia home and was allowed inside. While inside, he spoke on the phone with Kibani Savage, who was calling from prison during that call. Savage also spoke with his sister. We know all about that call. Larry Hartcomb was in the Federal Detention Center, another witness here, with Lewis in 2008.
Starting point is 00:43:52 Harkom testifies that Lewis talked with him about the firebombing and admitted to being involved in the arson, but said Kadada Savage had nothing to do with it. So, US attorney, the S attorney said, you know, inmates lie to each other often and, uh, lie to each other all the time. And he said, you don't even know if what you hear is the truth. Is that right?
Starting point is 00:44:13 And he said, well, yeah, no, I don't know. There's gossip in prison. Who the fuck knows? Harkham admitted he lied to probation officers about college studies, but stuck by his main testimony and said, I'm not lying about what I said about Lamont Lewis. Okay. Now, April 30th, 2013, closing arguments begin this week for this case here. Obviously, everyone has made a deal against him, so he's kind of fucked there.
Starting point is 00:44:42 The I guess federal agents had offered relocations to that's the fucked up part. They had offered relocations to Coleman's family before they were firebombed and they were fused. Yeah. And then they got firebombed. Yeah. Coleman said she was a corrections officer. She owned a gun and knew how to take care of herself. That's why she wanted to stay there and she died. So May 1st, Savage's defense attorney dismisses the enterprise. In the closing arguments, they say that he wasn't even the head of a large drug dealing organization. They're even denying that.
Starting point is 00:45:16 They said they reject the idea that their client was a wealthy boss of a violent criminal organization. They said he didn't make a pretty penny. He lived with his mother on Darien Street. He was a drug dealer. He drove a Subaru. There's no such thing as a cabani savage organization. It's been stretched to make it look like an organization.
Starting point is 00:45:35 Okay. He's selling massive amounts of coke. That's an organization. You've got to have what a Bentley to be Corporate paperwork, you know Like that membership to the golf club is helpful. That's that says a lot about you. I think I don't know what they're talking about All right He kept a low profile because he didn't want to look like a drug dealer
Starting point is 00:45:58 That was what he did and he said that so he told he bragged about that They said that also the defense's first day of arguments here, they said Savage bought and sold drugs with people who had no allegiance to him. He said there was no organization that shared money, no natural family of crime associates, no enterprise longevity. There were multiple people buying and selling kilograms of cocaine on the street, he said. He also said that that constituted a multiple conspiracy of drug dealing that a racketeer influenced and corrupt organization, a RICO enterprise. So the mafia fucking things here. The defense attorney also said that if the government cannot prove the existence of an enterprise then the jury by law must find him not guilty of violent crimes and aid of that racketeering. Because that's the case.
Starting point is 00:46:45 It's racketeering and murder for that. So it's a Rico thing. Okay. Jury deliberations start on May 6th. Then there's a break for some reason. And then May 11th, they resume their deliberations. I don't know what the hell that break was, but it was a break. Okay.
Starting point is 00:47:04 May 13th, 2013, we have a convict, we have a, uh, a verdict is ready here and, uh, they find him guilty of murdering 12 people. Uh, so does Kadada. She faces life in prison after being convicted in the connection of the firebombing as well. Co-defendant Stephen Northington was convicted of two counts of murder and eight of racketeering, could face the death penalty. Oh.
Starting point is 00:47:34 So jurors convicted Savages, Northington, and Robert Merritt, remember that's Lamont Lewis's guy that they went together, of racketeering conspiracy, but acquitted Merritt of charges in the fire in the fire bombing which I don't understand. How do you You believe Lamont Lewis everything he told you except that he brought Robert Merritt with him That doesn't make sense to me and the no sense that they would want to be fire bombed is because he would want it that way That's what I mean. It makes no goddamn sense So the penalty phase begins here and federal prosecutors will argue for the death penalty citing multiple
Starting point is 00:48:09 Aggravating factors including heinous cruel or depraved manner of murder the victims were children multiple victims you name the aggravator It's there pretty much The defense will try to bring mitigating factors in there, which I don't know what mitigating factors He has other than he has children, that's the only one. There have been just a couple of potential death penalty cases in the district since the penalty was reinstated in 88 federally. No one has been sentenced to death here since then,
Starting point is 00:48:36 and the Bureau of Prison Records indicate no tri-state area federal prisoner has been executed since 1927. Is that right? Yes. So the prosecutor in his closing here for the for the the sentencing he says a prison cannot hold him. You have to kill him because if you don't he'll have other people killed. It's never going to end with him.
Starting point is 00:49:02 Okay. Yeah. He said he slaughtered and burned up children just to get back at a witness and then he laughed about it. That is true. That is true. The hearing's expected to take a couple of weeks here for this you know this is crazy savage he said all I dream about is killing rats at one point I mean. And babies. He said their moms will pay their kids will pay. I'm dedicated to their death, man That's a quote of him Dedicated to their death man
Starting point is 00:49:32 That is great. I mean dedicated to death is a pretty good name for like a Norwegian metal band But other than that, I don't know. I don't know where the fuck that's good I think that's a Slayer album dedicated to death. It's people with horns, that's for sure. Holy shit, that is fucking funny. Man, that's wild. So that's how that goes. And they said, think of the horror that was going through their mind as they burned to death.
Starting point is 00:49:57 So May 27th, 2013, he has his daughter testify. His alive daughter. Yeah. Or another talking about he was on the phone talking to his four year old daughter and he said, I love you. I miss you. I can't wait to see you. The little girl said the same thing. So they're like, Oh, he's such a, they're saying he's such a kind father, you know, such a kind father. Then they bring up no witness, no fucking witness no crime, which is the no body no crime street version. It's not true. Sometimes
Starting point is 00:50:33 there has been no body no crime, but there is never no witness no crime. No, not at all here. Jesus Christ, man. Shit. That's the funniest and fucking most desperate thing I've ever heard in my life. That's crazy. So the defense attorney plays that tape of him talking to his daughter. They say, well, if you're going to put tapes in, let's put this tape in. And he said, we want you to see the whole picture of Kibani Savage. He's a sweet man. Really. Come on. What are we doing here? Like
Starting point is 00:51:05 they're treating him like he's like he's some kind of monster. Like he's from monster.com. There's a prosecution called him pure evil. So it's either death or life without parole, by the way here. The defense also offered testimony on the culture of snitching in urban America, trying to point out that Savage was not a trailblazer in his rants against cooperators but merely echoing the common perception of that snitches will say whatever the prosecutor wants to hear in order to cut a better deal for themselves, which is also possible thing defense witnesses Including a lawyer and scholar and the author of snitching criminal informants and the erosion of American justice author of snitching criminal informants and the erosion of American justice. But Kibani Savage's own words that the defense attorneys hoped would have the greatest impact
Starting point is 00:51:51 on their deliberations. They used some of the same secretly recorded conversations that were part of the FBI's investigation into him here. Key elements were his relationship with his daughter and other members of his extended family. His, this is the four-year-old daughter's mother said they have a bond with each other that's unbreakable. Yeah. That's Crystal Copeland, that's the mother.
Starting point is 00:52:15 Remember, she's like a teacher. Yeah, Copeland. If it's unbreakable, then he can do prison time. A lot of it. Should be fine. Copeland, his girlfriend, who has two master's degrees in education and works for the Philadelphia School District Wow, but she's testifying for a man that burned children to death who were probably in her district. That's crazy
Starting point is 00:52:34 Testified as a defense witness called him a kind and loving father and a loving companion who made her laugh Wow, so the girl who was four is now 13. She says he has been her hero. It's been difficult for her not to have him around. Right. Holy shit. He said that she or she goes on to say she doesn't want to function without him. She said her daughter is an A student and that Savage always emphasized his phone calls and letters and a need for a good education. She said her goal in life is to make him proud. Yeah, well. Wow.
Starting point is 00:53:07 Then again, they play another recording of Savage speaking softly to his daughter and says, you can't paint your toenails, then put your socks on, laughing. Because she fucked it up. Yeah, stick to your socks, baby. They will not do well there. And then he said, I love you, I love you too,
Starting point is 00:53:23 I miss you, I miss you too. And they're like, see? Yeah, monster yeah, he couldn't firebomb people cuz yeah He's real nice. He talks to his he's nice to his four-year-old daughter Threatened a fire bomber every time she fucks up no shit The jury also heard from you Seth Kabani Savage theold son of Konchetta Savage, the defendant's older sister. While Kabani is Yousef's uncle, the teenager said he's more like a father. He said this kid's going to Penn State at this time, and he said he refers to Kabani
Starting point is 00:53:55 as dad. And while he's been unable to visit him in prison because visits are restricted to biological children, he said that he and his uncle have corresponded and that his uncle's always encouraged him to do well in school and further his education. Great. That doesn't matter. Don Corleone literally said you got to do good in school kid, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then ordered five murders.
Starting point is 00:54:15 It doesn't matter. None of that shit matters. Wow. That is John Gotti told his kids do good in school. You know what I mean? Richard Kuklinski came home from Murders to put together wagons for that's what I mean People compartmentalize yeah murder and my children aren't separate things nobody comes home, and they're like I'll murder you like that guy I just killed the alley if you don't clean your fucking room. No criminal says that right they still care about their family
Starting point is 00:54:43 Yeah, usually unless they're complete monsters. So during his time on the witness stand, he introduced a certificate that Yusef had obtained for his uncle while he was in grammar school. He testified that when he was nine, he wrote an essay about his uncle, describing him as the person who had the greatest positive impact on his life.
Starting point is 00:55:03 He said his uncle taught him to read the newspaper when he was just five years old and encouraged him in sports and school. The certificate with large letters declaring congratulations was introduced as evidence and as another possible mitigating factor. Yeah. Yeah. So that's that's fun here. Now May 31st here the jury has a unanimous decision. Okay and let's see here.
Starting point is 00:55:30 They are going to sentence him to you sir. May fuck off 13 death sentences. That's pretty good. 13. Yeah. There's a shitload of death sentences. 13? You gotta outlive a lot of electricity or firing squads. Fuckin' A. You gotta outlive a lot of them. 13's a lot. You gotta strike those down one at a time?
Starting point is 00:56:00 Holy shit. 12 linked to individual victims, one linked to the jury's finding that Savage retaliated against a witness by killing a witness's family, which is an extra death sentence. Wow. He did not testify in this, he only testified in the previous thing.
Starting point is 00:56:16 The jury heard all the tapes, defense attorney declined to comment on that. He just lost, what's he gonna say? Well, fuck that one up anyway. Next case. So he's sentenced to life in prison here and life without parole for Steven Northington. So he gets life without parole. The same jury voted for this. He was convicted of the murders of Barry Parker in 2003 and Tibias Flowers flowers That is the sanding the wooden floor to get the blood off murder in addition to Rico charges here and They said for more than a decade. This is assistant attorney general his first name is general his name is general ramen
Starting point is 00:56:58 What R.a.m. En R.a.m. An but it's still ramen general ramen You could say Ramon if you want, but that's general general so's brother-in-law-E-N? R-A-M-A-N, but it's still ramen. General ramen. You could say ramen if you want, but that's ramen. General So's brother-in-law is who that is, General Ramen. He gets a, what the fuck is that? My sister married General Ramen, it's amazing. So we're gonna put our heads together and figure this out. He says, for more than a decade, Kebani Savage and members of his organization
Starting point is 00:57:23 used murder and violence to intimidate and retaliate against anyone who threatened their drug trade, and along the way mercilessly killed a cooperating witness's family members, including innocent children, were hopeful that the jury's verdict brings some measure of justice to the victims of Savage's heinous crimes. They said, achieving justice sometimes requires us to ask the citizens on a jury to make the most difficult sentencing decision imaginable. In this case, after convicting the defendants of the crimes involving murder, the jurors chose death for Sabani Kabani Savage and life for Stephen Northington. The defendants horrific conduct struck at the very heart
Starting point is 00:57:59 of our criminal justice system, which depends on witnesses testifying without fearing for their lives or the lives of their family members. Yeah, they said, Kibani Savage and his crew murdered men, women and children for money, power, power, and ultimately just for revenge. They thought no more of taking lives than of taking a phone call. After more than a decade of brutality, Northington's life sentence and Savage's death sentences are justly deserved.
Starting point is 00:58:25 Evidently. Let's see, Kedada also here faces mandatory life sentencing and so does co-defendant Robert Merritt faces that as well. So we'll find out. So yeah, all of his victims here, the six people in the Coleman home and everybody else as we know of, it's a lot. So the cost of putting him on death row was $10 million by the way.
Starting point is 00:58:51 Good Christ. It cost $10 million to fucking make this case. To run these cases? Fuck. Absolutely. That is fucking wild. That's crazy. That's federal tax money.
Starting point is 00:59:04 Yeah, that's just what it costs. They said court appointed lawyers for Savage and his co-defendants have logged more than $3.3 million in fees and expenses, a record for a federal case in Philadelphia and are still billing. In defense, now in death penalty cases, especially federal ones, because there's states that are still shitty on this, but basically in a death penalty case, I think it's this way federally. It's like this in a lot of states,
Starting point is 00:59:27 like the civilized states, basically. If it's the death penalty you're up for, you get the same resources as the prosecution. Okay, that's fair. They can't outspend you on expert witnesses and shit like that. You get to test stuff, you get to, because it's a death penalty case. Yeah, because that's called fair.
Starting point is 00:59:50 Otherwise they'll just fucking dog walk you to the end of your life. If you don't like that, you can get rid of the death penalty and you won't have to worry about that anymore. But if you like the death penalty, you like paying $10 million to get a guy here. To maybe or maybe not end up getting the death penalty in the end. Otherwise they're going to overturn it on appeal because it was not fair. Exactly. He was hip hop's biggest mogul, the man who redefined fame, fortune, and the music industry. The first male rapper to be honored on the Hollywood Walk Cafe, Sean Diddy Combs.
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Starting point is 01:03:34 Wow. And transcripts. This is the thing about the legal business and the medical industry that people don't understand. Transcripts are insanely expensive. The transcripts cost $249,000. And we're supposed to trust that whoever wrote those wrote those every word 100% correct.
Starting point is 01:03:52 God, I hope so. It helps me out a lot on these cases. But dude, that's so much fucking money. And that's why they say like these prisoners that are trying to do their own shit from prison, they can't get their transcripts because they can't afford them. Right.
Starting point is 01:04:03 Because they're so fucking expensive, it's hard. So wow, that's insane. They said on most days half a dozen US Marshals ringed in the courtroom and escorted the trial judge into the court. The court shelled out $325, oh that's for that. Juror lunches, $283,000 for for the Marshall service as well for that and the price of imprisoning Savage is at least $31,000 a year for each year he lives and that could be a long time sure and the American University law professor who studied the these costs said frankly no one should be surprised to see this much cost if we're going
Starting point is 01:04:42 To do it right so the death death penalty convictions are accurate, it costs money. Exactly. Yeah. Absolutely. So, yeah, here is Kadada now. What does she have to say? An angry Kadada savage, sister of Kibani, wanted her sentencing hearing delayed yesterday.
Starting point is 01:05:00 She claimed she needed a new lawyer. This is BS, whispered Eugene Coleman, whose mother Coleman whose mother a 15 year old son and four other relatives were killed. Holy shit. Godada apparently said that she was told that I have not from the judge. I haven't heard a word of remorse from you. Quite frankly, the barb, the nature of this crime was barbaric. The crime was horrendous. I don't know how you could live with yourself. Honestly, she said, not guilty, your honor. That's how. Okay. That's actually, that's
Starting point is 01:05:37 not Kodata. That's Concetta, the older sister screaming from the gallery. Oh dear God. And she was thrown out or held in contempt I hope. US Marshal approached her and led her from the courtroom after that. Earlier Kadada herself claimed to the judge that she had nothing to do with the killing. She said, Your honor, I was railroaded. The system is just unjust. I would never hurt anybody regardless of that guilt verdict. I know I did nothing wrong. I will fight to the end because it's not true Why do these people do this? This is fucking crazy. There's so much goddamn Why do you why do people in court scream? I didn't do it. Don't do that. It's you're done already
Starting point is 01:06:17 The judge isn't gonna go. You know what? I'm gonna I'm getting rid of everything You're you're right. Yeah, you know our bad I've seen the error of the justice and the ways that it has. You know what? She's got a point, everybody. Let's what are we doing with our lives with these jobs? Take the blindfold off a justice so that she can see that the woman is clearly innocent. Yeah, let her take a look at this.
Starting point is 01:06:40 We've all been fooling ourselves. Prosecutors, defense attorneys, hang them up. Moron. Open up a fucking food attorneys, hang them up! Moron. Open up a fucking food truck because at this point this is useless. All you're doing is pulling your dick out and wagging it at the judge. That's not smart. Wow. The prosecutor told the judge that Kadada was manipulating the system by trying to delay
Starting point is 01:06:59 her sentencing. The defense lawyers told the judge that Kadada grew up in a house that was the center of her brother's drug dealing. Her family has strong bonds of love and trust and whatever Kabbani told Kadada to do, she did. So it's not her fault. They said the greatest punishment for Kadada is being moved from the federal detention center in Philadelphia where she's close to her family.
Starting point is 01:07:22 That's what they said. That's the worst thing you could do to her. So March 20th, 2014, they honor, the local FBI honors the, they have basically a Kabbani Savage Award ceremony. Fantastic. To give all these guys awards and shit because they've been working this case. One guy, Kevin Lewis, FBI agent,
Starting point is 01:07:39 has been working the case for, he said, it's been a daily part of my career for about 14 years now. I would hate this asshole by then. Like, I wanna do something, so tired of you. When you put him away, then what do you do with your life? Yeah, then now what? Fuck, he said, finally someone's been brought to justice
Starting point is 01:07:58 for the years and years of terror that he and his crew inflicted on the city of Philadelphia. Wow, Lewis here, Lamont Lewis, said he was gratified that Savage was finally held accountable, terror that he and his crew inflicted on the city of Philadelphia. Right. Wow. Lewis here, Lamont Lewis said he was gratified that Savage was finally held accountable, providing some level of closure for the victims. Oh, this is a different Lewis. This is a prosecutor Lewis. Sorry.
Starting point is 01:08:14 He said the day, it's confusing. Everyone's named Lewis. He said the day he got his death sentence, he turned to look into the audience and there was nobody there for him. There were people for the victims, but nobody in the audience for him. Oh boy. Nobody showed up for that one, I guess. Wow. Okay. They said four agents are honored in this case. Agent Kevin Lewis, assistant U.S. attorneys, John Gallagher, David E. Troyer, and Stephen Mellie are honored for their work in the case here. Holy shit. They won
Starting point is 01:08:46 the apparently the high intensity drug trafficking area gave Lewis the national HIDTA award for excellence. They have they made an acronym out of high intensity drug trafficking area and named an award after it. The HIDTA award. It's the HIDTA award. The National HIDTA award for excellence. That's the fucking funniest. That sounds like you're the best drug dealer in an area with a lot of competition. Listen, every corner is a different product and your shit is selling fastest. And if you hang on to that corner long enough You're gonna get you're gonna get your bust in the in the Hall of Fame you are you will We should have that one day You're gonna get a jacket a street drug dealer Hall of Fame like guys who like retired at 40 and made it like they should get
Starting point is 01:09:38 To put their they should get a jacket and a bust. I feel like You gotta know how much you moved too, because that matters. Oh yeah, you can't just be slinging little bits. Yeah, you can't have some 15 year old moving nickel bags for 10 years. Well, you gotta have a hundred 15 year olds moving nickel bags. It's gotta be.
Starting point is 01:09:57 You can't just be one 15 year old. No, no, no, no, your name has to ring out. Your name has to ring out on the streets. You gotta be able to go to anyone in the neighborhood and ask about you and have them be like, oh He's the best drug dealer on the block. It has to be some Marlowe reputation Big-time a bars coming they didn't say our last name. Omar was like share first season Avon Barksdale Type shit. Yeah, Omar was like fucking Omar was seal is what he was, not even shit.
Starting point is 01:10:27 I only say that because of the scars. So anyway, the, the, uh, they talk about the, they said the testimony was just heartbreaking. One of the adult family members was found, this is in the fire, kneeled as if she was in prayer. The firefighter put it over the body of a 15 month old child Using her last breath to try to save this child from impossible odds and they all perished Wow Jesus that is fucking bleak man. That is imagine walking into that. That is tough No fucking thank you
Starting point is 01:11:02 They also said we never heard I am sorry. We never heard any sympathy That's it. Never heard anything From them is what they said. So Lamont Lewis now is sentenced officially you sir may fuck off 40 years in prison He gets which is he did kill multiple people testimony or not. He killed fucking bad guy like six people I think he was in there for us That's that's a lot here, but his testimony was absolutely imperative I mean he talked about setting the fire and every what the sister told him So also yeah, he gets 40 years in prison and he says I am after that
Starting point is 01:11:39 They said anything the prosecutor recounted one exchange during an early meeting with Lamont where he said, quote, I'm just sitting there and I'm listening. And I hear Lamont Lewis say to the detective, I know I'm going to hell when I die. So fuck it basically. Yeah. Uh, 2018 there's an episode of show called gangsters, America's Most Evil. Love that. And it is the Philly menace, Kebani Savage is what it's called.
Starting point is 01:12:10 And yeah, it's a 7.7 out of 10 on IMDB here. I believe it's streaming on Peacock right now. You can check that out. Fantastic, yeah. As they say, Kebani Savage was a ruthless drug dealer in North Philadelphia who lived up to his name by committing murder against his rivals and even their families, but whose own words would ultimately lead to his demise, right?
Starting point is 01:12:28 That is fucking yes, I guess so. So July 14th 2019 here they say losing bet and forming on drug lord is the Philadelphia inquirers Fucking headline here. Yeah, say, in prison for fraud, the financial advisor stumbled into Kebani Savage's death, then his cover was blown. It started off with an envelope slipped under a prison cell door. Peter Bistrian, an orderly sweeping
Starting point is 01:12:58 the solitary confinement unit's floor in Philadelphia Detention Center, picked it up. A voice from inside the cell whispered instructions to deliver the message to another inmate on the row. And although he knew neither the sender nor the intended recipient, he did as he was told. Yeah, I just don't want to get stabbed. So here. I don't want to get stabbed next time I'm in the shower.
Starting point is 01:13:18 That's good. Yeah. He said he couldn't have known that his simple furtive act would entangle him with one of Philadelphia's most notoriously violent drug lords, Cabani Savage, and permanently upend his life. Within days, the former Chadsford financial advisor incarcerated after a 2006 fraud conviction would find himself routinely ferrying communications between Savage and his lieutenants. Okay, if someone is not in there, we need to just separate violent and nonviolent, period. Period. That'd be helpful, yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:49 Period, just that's it. If you're in there for fraud, you should never come across a guy who killed 13 people. It should never fucking happen, ever. Separate places. Sorry, that's crazy. Unless while in prison for fraud, you stabbed a guy. Unless you said that you were a violent guy.
Starting point is 01:14:04 Now we put you with those guys, yeah. But that's crazy, they said he would volunteer to secretly share those messages with federal agents building a death penalty case. So this guy's trying to get out himself. And when the high stakes arrangement ended in calamity, its collapse would prompt a lawsuit that the trial and that trial that opened last week
Starting point is 01:14:24 in the same federal courthouse where he was sentenced 12 years ago, the fraud guy. But when he picked up that first envelope in 2006, stuffed it into his prison jumpsuit and agreed to deliver it to Savage, this guy only had one question, who is that? He didn't even know who Savage was. It was only after he alerted the prison's guard to the notes that he was passing between Savage and other members of his crew And agreed to share those messages with agents that he learned who the fuck he was dealing with and he's like
Starting point is 01:14:51 Oh god, this guy firebombs children. Holy shit. They said Yeah, they said that uh, it was from the same solitary confinement unit unit where a bistrian first came across him that Savage committed the most notorious crime which was orchestrating the firebombing. So agents with the Bureau of Prison Special Investigations Services warned Bistrian of the danger he faced by informing on Savage's crew, but as a financial consultant he had a high tolerance
Starting point is 01:15:21 for risk and was never one to walk away from an opportunity. Sure. He saw this as like a stock that might take off. Ah. consultant he had a high tolerance for risk and was never one to walk away from an opportunity. He saw this as like a stock that might take off. But if your stock crashes, nobody cuts your throat and burns your children alive. That's a different, that's the difference. A federal judge labeled the former University of Delaware football player, shit we got to write that down for another episode. Who's that?
Starting point is 01:15:44 The fraud guy, Bistria. Really? Yeah, a consummate con man and one of the first sentencings of 1996 as the result of his conviction in a one point million dollar one point five million dollar loan scam. When he met Savage and his crew in 2006 he was awaiting sentencing for another slate of crimes, a four hundred thousand dollar check kiting scheme to buy three Mercedes Benz's and a Porsche and a separate racket that fleeced $1.4 million from a South African steel company. We gotta do an episode on this guy, he sounds fun. He's fleecing Africans.
Starting point is 01:16:16 He's fleecing South Africans. That is hilarious. You generally get emails that somebody from South Africa needs your money. That's what I'm going to say. He's getting it back for us. He's not Nigerian Prince. He's like, I have a Nigerian Prince over here who needs your help to get back to Nigeria. Can you help him please?
Starting point is 01:16:32 That is funny. Bistrian's penchant for gaming the system had earned him a reputation inside a prison as a reliable jailhouse snitch. Hoping to better his conditions, he had helped security staff bust cigarette smuggling schemes and helped avert attacks on guards by informing on other inmates. The overtures from Savage's group came at an opportune time he had just been transferred to the solitary confinement unit himself as punishment for abusing the prisons telephone policies. This is the fraud guy. Inmates there spend 23 hours a day locked in a
Starting point is 01:17:06 six by eight foot cell and are let out only for an hour of recreation. As the unit's orderly, a position granted to trusted prisoners, Bistrian had slightly more freedom to assist guards in serving meals, cleaning, and other tasks. That made him the perfect candidate for this job of passing notes back and forth. Bistrian said, I thought what's in it for me. He testified in the courtroom. All I want is my telephone. My telephone privileges turned back on so I can talk to my kids and my family and I want to be returned to general population.
Starting point is 01:17:38 That's all he wanted out of the deal. Apparently. I'll, I'll ferry these messages back and forth, tell you what they say, but put me back in gen pop and I can talk to whoever I want on the fucking phone So bestrian secured the promises from from the prison staff and each time Savage or one of his lieutenants would slip an envelope Under the door bestrian would take it to the prison investigators to be copied then he deliver it So within a month apparently the arrangement abruptly unraveled. So hours after dropping off his latest note to one of Savage's top informants, Stephen Northington, he's from the trial, he got life without parole, Bistrian returned from his orderly rounds
Starting point is 01:18:17 to a cacophony from Northington's cell. Quote, this is Bistrian, quote, he was screaming like hell that I was a snake, that I was a rat, that I was going to be effing killed. Uh oh. Northington revealed that the last envelope Bistrian delivered contained a photocopy of the note instead of the original. He copied it and put the fucking photocopy in there instead of the cops taking it. So he knew it was up.
Starting point is 01:18:43 Tipping them off that their trusted courier had been sharing their communication with the guards Pistri and said he begged prison staff to move him back to gen pop and separate him from Savage and his men He said I did everything I could do I wrote I stopped every officer that came day and night They did nothing my counselor said I was quote stuck like Chuck I'm gonna be stuck in the belly like a chuck steak in a minute motherfucker. What are you talking about with a knife? This is terrible. I'm going to be dead like Fred. If you don't hurry the fuck up. Nevermind stuck like Chuck.
Starting point is 01:19:16 Be gone like Ron. Are you kidding me? Let's go. Get me out of here. Killed like Bill and dead like Fred. if you don't fucking help me please. Help. Wow. Instead they just revoked his orderly status and kept him confined in his cell for 23 hours a day. But Northington, housed just a few cells away, kept up a constant mirage of threats they sent toward him.
Starting point is 01:19:41 Yeah because now he knows that there's a problem with this stuff. Yeah and all they have to do is wait for their both to be out at the same time then on June 20th or June 30th 2006 weeks after his cover had been blown Bistri and in Northington found themselves released into the Same caged area in the recreation yard a mistake that had immediate consequences. I bet Northington punch lunged at him and took him down with a punch. Yeah, we're talking about a financial advisor versus a street drug dealer. It's not a good matchup. That's not a fair fight. Two other members of Savage's crew pummeled him with fists and feet.
Starting point is 01:20:14 When Bistrian tried to stand, Northington slammed his face into the cage's metal wall. He lost consciousness while prison guards rushed to break up the attack. The beating left Bistrian with a dislocated shoulder, broken fingers, cuts across his face and head and chipped and lost teeth. He said, when I woke up, I was bleeding so hard I couldn't see, but I was screaming, I was so mad. And then I told them this was going to happen, and it did.
Starting point is 01:20:41 It sure did. So last week, more than a decade after the attack history and it was now 62 They beat the shit out of a 50 something year old man, too Watched the grainy security camera footage of that fight from the witness stand although the worst of the brawl took place off camera He fell silent as he relived the moment released from prison in 2009 He's now suing eight prison officials whom he blames for blowing his cover and ignoring his warnings about the dangers He's got a case here, man. He was in trouble. You got a fucking yeah You got people are gonna rat you have to then make sure they're safe
Starting point is 01:21:12 Yeah, he said he still suffers from nerve damage shoulder damage back injuries post-traumatic stress and other ailments and is seeking punitive damages and more than three million dollars in medical expenses Lawyers for the guards have pushed back against Bistrian's narrative. They maintain he was warned of the risks when he approached them with the idea of informing on Savage. Told them it's bad. We told them, we just stuck them in a cage with him. We told them that these guys might try to kill you and you're like, so what?
Starting point is 01:21:38 That doesn't matter. You gotta keep them away from him at least. They also dispute that they are to blame for blowing his cover saying he fabricated the story that investigators accidentally gave him a copied note to deliver to Northington. Peter Bistrian is a con man. He makes up stories for his own advantage, said Sarita Joyce Moore, an attorney for one of the guards. It's what got him into prison.
Starting point is 01:22:00 He did it while he was in prison and continued to do it after he was released from prison. They said it's more likely she and her defense colleagues argue that Bistrian's chronic ailment stemmed from a subsequent attack he suffered four months after the run-in with Northington, a second rec yard assault by an inmate with a smuggled razor blade which guards were forced to break up by using flashbang grenades. Bistrian is also suing the federal government for failing to protect him in that incident and a trial is set to begin as soon as his current case concludes. The individual guards are not defendants in
Starting point is 01:22:34 that proceeding. But the state it's a money thing. For all the damage Bistrian says his cooperation against Savage unleashed his risks yielded few results. None of the notes contained much that was useful to prosecutors and were not used at the trial when he was sentenced to death. As for Bistrian, he testified last week that he hoped now to salvage some sort of life after his fateful decision to pick up that first note from the solitary confinement unit's floor. They put me in the same yard as Northington and they all knew it.
Starting point is 01:23:05 And to this day I'm still suffering from what they did. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Okay, July 25th, 2019. Kibani Savage, come up and step on up and meet Philadelphia's only inmate on Federal Death Row, everybody. Here he is.
Starting point is 01:23:22 Absolutely, Kibani Savage. That is him. I he says that he's appealing his death sentence here the US Attorney General William Barr reinstated the federal executions said well he will do nothing to expedite the sentence just let it play out. Savage is the only inmate from Pennsylvania on federal death row but he's not among the five scheduled to be executed as early as December 2019, according to the Department of Justice. Instead, Savage's lawyers,
Starting point is 01:23:52 who didn't respond for a request to comment for this article, filed an appeal in the spring and now have until September to submit more paperwork. So yeah, they're in the middle of, they're not going to execute him in the middle of the, you know, appeal process here. So they're in the middle, they're not going to execute them in the middle of the appeal process here. So they said that the savages enterprise dated back several years before the ultimate fall and big organization and they said the federal death penalty is the law of the land and the US Supreme Court has found it constitutional. We owe it to the victims and their families to enforce the sentences imposed by our justice system after full and fair proceedings.
Starting point is 01:24:27 So reinstatement of this of the federal death penalty comes two weeks after Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner filed a brief asking the Pennsylvania Supreme Court to rule the sentence unconstitutional because capital punishment historically targeted men of color. But the decision has but McSwain has said that the, as a prosecutor, the only reason not to enforce the death penalty is political cowardice. So they're going back and forth on that. The issue remains divisive, obviously,
Starting point is 01:24:57 at the state and federal level. The last federal execution at that point had been carried out in 2003. And basically, you know, a lot of arguments for and against, and we know what those all are. last federal execution at that point had been carried out in 2003. And basically, you know, a lot of arguments for and against and we know what those all are. So I don't want to pay for this shit. Put them in jail forever.
Starting point is 01:25:13 I don't care. Period. That's it. That's my stance. I don't want to pay for this shit. We're just not going to kill them anyway. Oh, but there's a dead kid. What's the point?
Starting point is 01:25:21 Don't care. Expensive. Unless that kid wants to pay for it or family wants to pay to prosecute. I don't want to pay all this money to prosecute people and they're probably gonna end up with life in prison anyway Because the appeals process is such a fucking microscope as it should be Yeah, and anything that goes wrong any little thing though. They'll strike down the sentence, but not the conviction so that's what happened and you got people in charge of commuting those who Can use that chance as to show how fucking human they are.
Starting point is 01:25:47 And whatever the fuck, it doesn't matter. Yeah, whatever reason they wanna do it. But they use it as a political tool all the fucking time. Oh, all the time, yeah, or just anything else. One way or the other. Or a tool for beliefs or whatever. But how many small town murders have we had that the death penalty was,
Starting point is 01:26:03 they were assigned the death penalty, and it was overturned and they got, you know, life in prison. It happened way more times than someone was actually executed. Absolutely, yeah. It absolutely does that. So, if August 14th, 2020,
Starting point is 01:26:16 appeals court affirms the death sentence for him. So they do affirm it, it's ruling a three-judge panel in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit Acknowledged that Savage's case was the first and nearly a century that the Philadelphia based court has been called upon to review a Rarely info imposed federal debt sentence on direct appeal and that since then public debate over the punishment of has shifted substantially Still chief judge D. Brooke Smith writing writing for the Philadelphia-based panel in a 200 one-page opinion, said the court discerned no grounds entitling Savage to relief on any of the issues he raises.
Starting point is 01:26:56 So that's one appeal down for him. The one of Savage's attorneys called the ruling flawed and said it endorsed significant infringements on the rights of defendants facing capital punishment. In his statement, he cited one of the arguments the court rejected that the trial court improperly decided to let Savage change lawyers during jury selection, then refused to grant a continuance, leaving his new lawyer unprepared to adequately defend him at trial. That's a tough one because that's come up a lot.
Starting point is 01:27:26 They said no lawyer, no matter how inexperienced or no matter how experienced could have rendered an adequate defense under the circumstances. It's inconceivable that the court of appeals could have been satisfied with that. A death verdict was appropriate. That's that I have to say. The judge should have either told Savage you have to keep that attorney But then he would have appealed on that grounds He should have granted the continuance if you wanted to keep this out of appeals territory, but he didn't But the appellate panel said fuck it
Starting point is 01:27:55 That's it they the one guy here said this is US Attorney William McSwain Said that the crimes committed by Kibane Savage were unprecedented in this district in their cruelty and horror. We recognize that much litigation likely dies ahead or lies ahead and will remain steadfast and resolute in our pursuit for justice. So that is then 2024 January US Court of Appeals. This is going up the line. This is for the District of Columbia here. So this is, well, which appeals? I'm trying to find out what circuit this is. For the
Starting point is 01:28:32 seniors, doesn't matter. Anyway, oh, this is, okay, yeah, whatever. Either way, that's what they're doing. It's federal, big federal appeal here. So he sues the Justice Department, claiming the Justice Department is imposing restrictions on his communications with family and friends in violation of his rights under the First Amendment of the Constitution. You don't have freedom to talk to your mother. That's not what the Constitution says. And the freedom of speech, sure, unless it's incriminating, man. Nothing bothers me more, for some reason, than people using that freedom of speech shit wrong That fucking shit when like if you say something stupid and a bunch of people attack you on social media and they're like this is a
Starting point is 01:29:12 Freedom of speech. Yes, it is. Are you in handcuffs right now unless it is that's that's what freedom of speech is It also gives the other people freedom to call you a fucking dickhole if they disagree with you and you can a fucking dickhole if they disagree with you. And you can say, I killed those people. If you killed those people and you say, I killed those people, that's still being used against you even though you have freedom of speech. You also got freedom to tell the fucking truth. He's talking about freedom to do whatever.
Starting point is 01:29:39 Well, he's saying that his First Amendment rights are violated because he can't talk to his friends from fucking federal prison. No. That's not what freedom of speech is. Also when you get arrested you lose certain rights. Freedom of speech is being able to go, that politician who's elected is a piece of shit and I don't like him and no one can arrest you. That's freedom of speech.
Starting point is 01:29:58 That's it. Not, I killed those people, you killed those people and they arrested you and put you in jail for it. Yes. And once they did that you don't and put you in jail for it. Yes. And once they did that, you don't get to talk to your family anymore. No. That's not it. Not it.
Starting point is 01:30:10 And it means I can fucking do whatever religion I feel like doing and I can print something in the press that says something negative against somebody. That's freedom of speech, nothing else. That's pretty amazing. So whenever, yeah. Anybody who uses the words freedom of speech are always not using it correctly.
Starting point is 01:30:26 They're always just, I don't want social pressure for the bullshit I say is what it's very easy. Not just that, I don't want consequences for the dumb shit I wanna say. Yeah, so I mean, social consequences. Yeah. So they said the appellant never completed the Justice Department's administrative remedy program
Starting point is 01:30:42 for seeking relief from those restrictions. So they're like, why are you coming to us when there's a process for that that you haven't Followed he's apparently at the US penitentiary administrative maximum facility in Florence the old supermax there Colorado in Colorado. Yeah, so I guess he goes back and forth for his his deal here in 2007 the Justice Department imposed savage certain special administrative measures restricting his communications, because he was having people murdered that way. Fuck, so anyway, that's what he's trying to say,
Starting point is 01:31:18 that they're fucking me over. He said that the Justice Department has renewed that arrangement since 2007 with modifications The current model of the current restrictions He has prevent him from communicating with anyone outside the prison except his legal team and seven named family members Okay, his three adult children the mother of one of his children one of his sisters and her two adult children. That's it. They said that now he's a Muslim Imam and went to college through which he's taking
Starting point is 01:31:53 a correspondence course. For his approved family contacts, however, this limits him to a few pieces of paper correspondence per week and several 15-minute phone calls per month. They also allow these restrictions allow an FBI agent to screen his non-legal mail and to monitor all his non-legal calls and visits, which everyone assumes is going on if you're in jail anyway, unless it's your lawyer. Savage wants to add more relatives and several friends to his list of approved contacts. So this has been going on since 2015.
Starting point is 01:32:25 His lawyers have been trying to do this. That is nine years of shit going back and forth. Wow, that is fucking crazy. Savage's attorney continued sending emails to the attorneys there each year asking for further modifications. The Justice Department did not respond to further emails from Savage's
Starting point is 01:32:45 counsel, nor did it make any of the modifications requested in this way, which they don't have to. They don't have to, but they say, then they list there's a resolution form. So you can just fill this out. But in March, 2021, he submitted a request for administrative remedy to the warden. So this is what he needs to do, his request reads, I haven't had a social contact added in approximately 10 years. I want more social contacts added, but my US attorney and agent refuse to abide by policy. They intentionally keep refusing denying any contacts. I have to exhaust these remedies to file my suit in the courts.
Starting point is 01:33:22 The process to add and or delete contacts is an exercise in futility. My First Amendment rights are constantly being violated. I should be free to speak and to write all friends and family. It's racist and arbitrary and capricious. And capricious. And capricious. Racist and capricious. Normally you don't get those two in the same sentence.
Starting point is 01:33:41 Well, you can't say it's racist and arbitrary at the same time. Yeah. Because you're saying there's a reason and no reason. Yeah, right. That doesn't make any fucking sense whatsoever. It's relevant and irrelevant at the same time. That makes no goddamn sense. So the warden responded.
Starting point is 01:33:59 His response reads, a review of the records reveals that you have not submitted any requests for modification in several years, aside from two relatively recent requests to add an imam. Oh, that's it, and a college something. So, and they were approved, he said, as approved contacts. And a more expansive review of your current SAM, that's the restrictions, and previous versions revealed
Starting point is 01:34:20 that it was modified in 2015 to allow communications between you and your niece and your nephew, you're encouraged to request modifications as appropriate, but basically no one has to give you shit and go fuck yourself is apparently what that is. So they talk, go back and forth about how he didn't appeal this regional director and somebody said no, and he should have appealed it and it was, you know,
Starting point is 01:34:41 that's his own fault that he didn't fucking appeal it and all this shit going on the conclusion is the district court affirms his his in their sentence of everything here are his charges that he's in for murder and aid of racketeering witness tampering resulting in death conspiracy to commit murder and aid of racketeering retaliating against a witness resulting in death commit conspiracy to commit murder and aid of racketeering, retaliating against a witness resulting in death, conspiracy to commit racketeering, using a fire to commit a felony,
Starting point is 01:35:09 conspiracy to manufacture and distribute cocaine, money laundering, possession of a firearm by a convicted felon, threatening a witness, threatening to retaliate against a witness, using a telephone to facilitate drug trafficking. That's heavy. Can't get enough of Kiboni Savage? Well, there's no merch for him whatsoever. But tell you what motherfuckers, you can definitely read a lot
Starting point is 01:35:32 about him right now because today, today on December 23rd, when we're recording this, the day before Christmas Eve and all this, it'll come out next week. His death sentences federally have just been squashed. Like six hours. Commuted like six hours ago. Wild. Yes, Joe Biden has commuted his sentence for that. Along with 36 others. Yeah, the people left on there are like these
Starting point is 01:36:01 church shooters and. Joe Carr, Charnayev, the guy that. The terrorist people. Bombers and fucking mass murderers in one place. But Kibani now, now we can stop with all his fucking appeals shit anyway. So but I mean, I would like to see him killed probably. He's not a good guy. Goodbye.
Starting point is 01:36:19 But not this. Well, that's what I mean. This is one of these guys where I feel like I'd much rather just have him be like stabbed a bunch of times. It's much easier. Yeah. Certainly not worth air and space and a cell. No.
Starting point is 01:36:36 No. And fucking, you know, he's a piece of shit, this guy. But yeah, that's the thing. So anyway, you won't have to pay for many more things with Kebani Savage anyway. Yeah, he'll just have to pay for his food. That's pretty much it. Outside of that, no more fucking appeals and all that shit because that shit would have lasted for the rest of time,
Starting point is 01:36:54 these appeals. So there you go everybody, that is Kebani Savage, a two-parter, insane. We did not obviously know his sentence would be commuted by presidential pardon When we started this episode, it was just a random thing and it happened to it's the timing is immaculate for us We're it's unreal. We are lucky people when it comes to timing and it happens this way all the time We put something out and then something happens with it. Yeah, it's fucking crazy
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Starting point is 01:40:27 This week's executive producers are Jennifer Yates, Larry Butterfest, happy birthday, Lair Bear. Happy birthday, Larry. Thanks for that, Jameson. Jake Young, Jordan Bennett, and Simon, they're moving back to England. Did you know that? Are they really?
Starting point is 01:40:39 They are. Oh shit, we won't see them anymore. No, we'll see them once in a while. They come down from Canada all the time. That's all right. They're gonna pop over to a couple before they go. Different weird accent, that's fine. Courtney Jadayla, Jadily, Jadil, Jadil, Jadayla.
Starting point is 01:40:51 I'll bet it's Jadily. Jadily. Yeah. Erica Gerstenberger's sister Sabina, I don't know her last name, Erica didn't give that. Maybe it's Gerstenberger. Well, I think Erica's married. We don't know, it's the closest we got. us to know well. I think Eric is married
Starting point is 01:41:13 Pennington Aaron Stevens Christine Lewis Ashley Williams Tyler and Brittany Jones and Crystal my purty new Lynn Thank you all so much. You're fantastic Other producers this week are Linda Moroni and Harry ball Zach. Oh Probably not. I'm sure you get it could be be. Or Linda's Harry Balzac. I don't know. Maybe it's Linda. She's got a nice sack on her. Good for you, Larry. Linda. Larry Balzac will tell her from now on. Linda and Harry is Larry. All right. Peyton Meadows, Janice Hill, Natalie Austin-Baw. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Jenna wanted us to tell you. Julia Reynolds is holding space, James. I don't know if you know, I'm very annoyed by that fucking, I don't even know what it
Starting point is 01:41:50 means. It doesn't mean a fucking thing and people have now begun saying it and I want to choke people when they say it. It's the dumbest fuck. I'm holding space for that. You sound like me now. I'll fucking kick you. Roxanne Ewoks.
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Starting point is 01:42:26 DNT, DN, not M, Renee Linton, Hannah Goodman, Danae Upshaw, MC 118Z, Paul Simon, jail, jail, Jodgy? Paul Simon, very nice. Jodgy, Jodgy? Is this the, did I not press enter and Jodgy, Jodgy is another person? I don't know, your guess is as good as good as mine Carrie Stewart Rebecca with no last name Michael Pettit Jessica Keith Christopher Cox and Claire with no last name Kelsey Lang
Starting point is 01:42:54 810 and Bill the Strand Nicole off Laurie with no last name Bailey Gallups Shelley's Shelly Turner Renner Shellylly or Shellis? Shellis? Are any of these people holding space though, Jimmy? I think all of them are holding space for us. I'm so glad you said that, by the way. In real life, Jimmy says shit like that all the time. On the show, he lets it slide off him. In real life, he's like, I will fucking kick that person,
Starting point is 01:43:18 and that's why I hang out with him. He come on the show and I sound like a psychopath, and he's like, yeah, that's crazy, man. I'm like, where the fuck are you? Where are you? It's just when people say things in yeah, that's crazy, man. I'm like, where the fuck are you? Where are you? It's just when people say things in my head. I know. I get it.
Starting point is 01:43:30 We talk about it all the time. Well, this is our private conversations are, could you believe this fucking asshole? Those are every conversation we have. Sorry to interrupt you. Bane Ross, John would know last name. Amberly Menjee, Menj? Amberly Minj maybe.
Starting point is 01:43:43 Amberly and her Minj, I don't know. Amberly might be a dude, might be his Minj. That's nice. Rose Bloom, Kristen S, Molly Crawford, Rena Dute or Dutt, Megan Bussing Todd, Kaiser Soze, Travis Hoffman, Jamie. Coming out of hiding. Yeah, Jamie Ammo, Ammo, Ammo, Delaney Ellison, I think. Maybe Delaine. I
Starting point is 01:44:06 don't know. Captain Zod, Joe Lynn, Julia Thompson, Archanty, Archanty Hill. Nicole with no last name. Joyce with no last name. Jennifer Gasser, Deanna Katz, Helper with no last name. Ali with no last name. Mama Red 89, Michelle O'Coin the leaf man the life man 77 Bernadette Daner Shane Carl Rosini Charmaine Laura Edward Nicole Winkler Jibloos. All right, Gary. Kida Kida maybe Jake Yeager Angelo Leonardo Leonardo Brian Atkinson live the kid Francesca Curly
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