Crime in Sports - #453 - Life Is An Offramp - Evel Knievel - Part 6

Episode Date: March 18, 2025

This week, Evel is ready to jump the Snake River Canyon, but he takes on a new partner, Vince McMahon. He also tells specifics of how he cheats on his wife, and why it's okay, gives his opinion on race relations & threatens The Hell's Angels. All of this while rushing to finish the "Skycycle", and attempting to throw a "$1 million party", through the streets of Butte. Partner with Vince McMahon, and have him judge your character as poor, tell Penthouse magazines all of your secrets, and get ready to jump over The Snake River Canyon with Evel Knievel - Part 6!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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show as well where Jimmy will mispronounce your name of course even though we'd love to get it right. That said let's dive back into evil here and when we when we left off evil was trying to figure out this snake canyon jump. This snake river, he needs it. It's all he's been talking about. First it was the Grand Canyon for two years,

and then it's been this thing, and he leased property, and he's really trying to do all this shit. But at the same time, he has no real plan to do it, is the problem. Or a vehicle to do something. Yes, he's got this Truax guy who is his mechanic now. He's like an engineer actually. He's worked for NASA and shit, did rocket stuff.

He is trying to figure this shit out, but evil has given him a basically don't spend money thing. And Truax has a policy of he won't do any work without being paid or given money for expenses We're at a standstill. Yeah, he said I won't work for free an evil. I don't have any money like that at all The other guy just did shit. Yeah, I'm not that idiot. So that's what's going on here. So he's looking for a promoter He needs a sponsor so he can pay for all this shit and have a bike and do everything like that.

And that is where Vince McMahon shows up to talk to him. Vince McMahon at the time, Vince McMahon Jr., everybody knew him as, because his dad was the famous one. Yeah, what is that partnership? The Snake River Canyon Jump, brought to you by the WWF. Oh, it's not just him. There's more people that are gonna get involved. Oh yeah, brought to you by the WWF. Oh, it's not just him. There's more people are gonna get involved Oh, yeah brought to you by the WWF. Well at the time the WWWF and top-ranked boxing

Cuz Bob Aram's gonna get involved in this shit too, which is Insane basically he and sugar-free Pepsi. Yeah He ends up with Vince McMahon when he was just starting in wrestling and Bob Aram when he just started in boxing. Jesus. Which is fine. Bob Aram started out with Muhammad Ali. Bob Aram, this is the crazy shit. Bob Aram is a big fight promoter.

Careful. Fuck him. Easy. Fuck Bob Aram. I know he sues people. I can call him a cunt all I want though. That's not. Easy. That's he sues people. I can call him a cunt all I want though.

That's not, that's not slanderous. What he was, was he was an attorney with the U.S. Attorney's Office back in the day. That's why he's so litigious. He's very, he's a lawyer. He is a lawyer. So he, what he did was he, there was a, the government was investigating a Floyd Patterson fight in terms of, because the mob was running fights and shit like that so they were investigating the books for this fight and looking at this Bob Aram said well I could do a better fucking job and make better money than these fucking idiots are doing and so he started he got the people he knew somehow got in touch with Muhammad Ali through

Jim Brown, the football player. Jim Brown talked to the Nation of Islam guys who got, they talked to Muhammad Ali and they got him and Aram in the same room together to say, I can make you more money basically. And Aram was the promoter for the Thurlian Manila, the Joe Frazier fight and the Madison Square Garden. No, that's wherezier fight and the Madison Square Garden. No, that's why he's here. Oh, because of that. Because the rumble in the jungle,

that was Don King trying to get his foot in the door. And Ali came to Bob Arum and said, he's offering me $5 million. And we're talking, this is like 1974. That's insane. And Bob Arum was like, what? How the fuck he said Bob Erme said five million dollars

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I can do this, yeah. And $5 million in 78 money, that move, that money almost killed Danny DeVito in 1989. In 1989, we're talking 74. Yeah. It was way different, way different. So that's big money, that's why he was like, just do that shit, and then he ended up doing this.

And that's how this all came together, how Bob Arum ended up, and Vince McMahon was trying to impress his dad. Okay, love me daddy, love me daddy. This is when he just kinda was just starting in the business. I don't even think he was a ring announcer yet. Like he wasn't even an announcer yet. Or maybe he was doing some ring announcing,

but he wasn't like a play-by-play guy yet. He was doing, he was promoting in Maine, basically. His dad gave him Maine. That's the very beginning, yeah. His dad gave him Maine to promote, and that was that. And he said, if you can make a go of that, then I'll give you more to promote, and he did. And so there you go. At the time time Vince was living with Shane Stephanie and his wife in a trailer in

West Hartford, Connecticut Yeah, yes. Yes. That's how this is going So and obviously his dad is running the WWW F at the time and all that kind of shit. So he enters the picture and he takes basically McMahon sees he's bored in Maine. And if you've seen anything about Vince McMahon, he likes big things. He likes a spectacle, he doesn't like to be seen

a small time in any way, shape, and form. Pyrotechnics, shit like that. Yeah, promoting wrestling in 1974 in the fucking boondocks of Maine is not in that that doesn't qualify for what Vince what gives him a hard on like he's not into that but a spectacle like a dude jumping over a canyon it'll be on live TV and all right now we're talking that's something that we could get ourselves into so that that's why he went to Butte, because he was bored basically.

And Vince had seen the wide world of sports jumps and saw that, this is the thing, knowing wrestling, he saw Evil talking on the mic and said, oh, this guy can cut a promo. He's, yeah. He's a wrestler. This is just. That guy's a shoot if I ever saw one.

This is just wrestling without a ring that's all he that's when he clicked to him okay if I can promote wrestling I can promote this as long as the guy can talk and promote himself then it'll be fine so that's what he thought he said wow and wrestling you're not saying if this guy fails he'll be dead when a guy goes to the top rope they don't go if he misses he'll die he'll scrape him off the mat with a shovel if he does that. That's not what you're promoting. Imagine if you were. That would be amazing. But yeah in wrestling you can't promote that. In this he can promote if

he fucks up he's dead you'll watch a death on live TV. It's gonna be fucking amazing. So Vince knew about the toys and the products. He had seen the George Hamilton movie and he was like I'm seeing something here that I want to be a part of. He saw the movie. It was a big deal the Evil Knievel movie and he was like, I'm seeing something here that I wanna be a part of. He saw the movie. He saw the movie, it was a big deal, the Evil Knievel movie. And he liked showmanship-y shit like this. So he thought he was a wrestler, that's basically it.

Think about it, even he comes out in his leathers, he's a wrestler. He's just jumping shit, that's all. So he was like, all right, I like this guy, I wanna do stuff like that. He also said that he had, this is what McMahon said about evil, quote, Argentine Arroca, one of our biggest stars, always had a saying

about wrestlers, quote, brains by the ounce, balls by the ton. And that's what he thought of evil. Big dumb joke. Yeah, that's what he thought of evil. He'll run through a fucking brick wall but yeah he doesn't know or care what's on the other side. No. So he said it talked to him once to set up the phone the visit on the phone and he flew out to Butte. When he gets there he gets in evil picks him up at the airport first of all. Yeah. So that's a

fucking spectacle. Just evil can evil pick any up at the airport, first of all. So that's a fucking spectacle. Just Evil can Evil pick any up at the airport, it's a spectacle. And that's also very bizarre. Yes. Anywhere you go for a business meeting, that person is there to pick you. And it's not like back in the day either,

where he's like out at the curb or by the baggage claim. This motherfucker is outside the gate when you step off. There he is. Crazy. He is Crazy he basically He does this and he gets Vince in his customized white Cadillac that has giant oversized tires He's got a Cadillac with oversized big tires the tires are so large that they can't turn certain terms Vince said quote the tires would hit the wheel wells if you turned much

at all. So we drove some interesting routes through Butte that didn't need much turning. Everything he had had to, everything had to be figured out. You knew he was a different kind of cat right there, a showman. Yeah, it wasn't about driving well. Yeah. It wasn't about being able to make a right turn. It was about, look at my fucking car. I need an off ramp, not a sharp turn. Not a sharp turn. Everything's an off ramp. Life is an off ramp for evil. So he was always fighting with promoters.

So he liked to run his own shows a little bit more, but he needed financing. So he was like, if this guy wants to give me money great or risk I wants to find money terrific because Vince doesn't have any money of his own at this point Vince's hope is that he's gonna set this up then go back to his dad and ask his dad for To finance it basically to be a partner in this whole thing and then he gets a piece of it I guess that's the whole thing. So he does that. They're talking about also doing it on closed circuit television.

Oh, that's the original pay-per-view. Original pay-per-view where you had to go to like a movie theater or an arena. They would play it and shit like that. And you'd sit and watch it there. So they had all of that. And they said McMahon's father had used closed circuit before.

Really? He had promoted- A wrestling event? At boxing matches he had promoted too. So they had used closed circuit before. Really? Because he had promoted- Oh for a wrestling event? At boxing matches he had promoted too. So they knew about closed circuit, so the company had a relationship with the closed circuit people, so it was all kinda coming together.

McMahon, he liked McMahon, McMahon liked him, he said he had just as charismatic in person, evil was, and he said holy shit, man he might be able to do this. So he went home to try to get some backing from his dad. And McMahon said this, McMahon Jr. here, he said, quote, the only thing that surprised me was the way Evil treated his family.

I'd never seen anything like it. He was pretty dogmatic with his wife, ordering her around, and he wasn't all that kind to his kids. I kept wondering if this was a show he was putting on for the guy from New York or what it was. He was particularly rude to his wife. Yeah, so if you've treated someone poorly enough to get Vince McMahon's attention, you've really treated them poorly.

Think about that. Did he shit on her chest in front of you? You could shit, that's what I was gonna say. You could shit on her while she's being fucked by somebody else and he wouldn't think that was rude. That would be considered gentlemanly. Just right neighborly at that point. But this, that's rude.

He's being, you've really crossed the line. That's crazy. Knowing what we know about Vince. That's what I mean. That man said that. Now knowing what you knew about him in 1988. It doesn't matter. This is a guy who's like, yeah, go out there, scramble your fucking brains. No health insurance for me. And then if anything happens, well, that's on you. Like, yeah, that's a good guy. And if you kill your whole fucking family, we'll wash our hands of you and we'll blame you for it we'll say we had nothing to

do with it didn't well we'll blame you a hundred percent we'll say hey fuck I didn't profit off of that sorry so McMahon said he wrote it off though as cultural differences he goes what is that maybe that's the way people are in Montana he's never been to Montana before white trash Montana culture maybe that's how it is maybe if you went next door that's how the next guy's yelling That's the way people are in Montana. He's never been to Montana before. It's white trash Montana culture. Maybe that's how it is. Maybe if you went next door, that's how the next guy's yelling at his wife too and you'd look crazy if you said anything.

So he said, I don't know. If you've been to Saudi Arabia, it's the same thing. Same thing. Yeah. At least they're allowed to drive in Montana. What do you want? So McMahon said- I'm very progressive up here in Butte.

Always. You do. Yeah, always. So, McMahon said that, he said, quote, he was a great self-promoter. He said his instincts were great. He was one of those larger than life guys. He had courage and wasn't afraid to risk his life. Just the idea of getting into that thing, that rocket and not knowing what would happen next. Not many men would do that.

No, absolutely not. At this point, the only being or person that does that is a coyote. Yeah. It's the only thing that's ever done it. A cartoon coyote that fails every time. We just know better. So March 25th, 1974, The Daily Herald,

here's a newspaper headline that reads exploits of daredevil cyclist, 1974, The Daily Herald, here's a newspaper headline that reads, exploits of daredevil cyclist, evil Knievel, stars Sam Elliott. What? Beef and dirt bikes, it's what's for dinner. Beef. Cours. Watch me jump over this canyon. It's very weird, he's like the calmest guy and evil's the least calm guy.

So they said that Daredevil motorcycle stuntman Evil Knievel faces a battle of the sexes when a girl cyclist challenges his world jumping championship in Evil Knievel half hour action drama, a special presentation. This isn't real. This is a show. This is a storyline.

And he has nothing to do with it That's I'm sure he got paid for it. It's got his name on it Sam Elliott formerly of Mission Impossible. That's how he was described back then Not Sam Elliott gruff voiced perennial cowboy Fucking he's got to be livid that Tom Tom Cruise that from him. The TV show, Mission Impossible. Yeah, right, yeah. Yeah, not the movies. Still robbed him of it.

Stars in the title, that would have been hilarious if fucking like 1999 Sam Elliott was in Mission Impossible. Well. Slayed out coming from the ceiling in a laser room. Guess I gotta jump on that missile and ride it into its destination. What's gonna happen? Yee-haw. that missile and ride it into its destination. That's what's gonna happen. Tell you something boy this is harder than fighting Terry Funk with Patrick Swayze in a roadhouse boy this is tough stuff right here. So uh yeah anyway he stars in this title role based

on real life motorcyclist Evil Knievel who is renowned for his death defying acts. In Evil Knievel a fearless girl motorcycle rider, Tracy Butler, played by Karen Philippi, or yeah, Philippi, challenges Knievel's world car hurdling title. But the contest becomes more than just a personal one after Knievel's motorcycles are destroyed and his life threatened.

Oh my. Oh, some drama. Yeah. Drama, man. At the Oklahoma State Fairgrounds, where their dangerous competition is to take place, Knievel and Tracy argue with promoter Darrell Pettit, Michael Anderson Jr., over the unsafe conditions

of their motorcycle ramps. After more harassment by Pettit, Knievel is provoked into betting his act against Tracy's contract with the promoter. Whoa. This is so stupid. This sounds terrible. No wonder why we didn't hear anything. Poor Sam fucking Elliott, man. betting his act against Tracy's contract with the promoter. Wow. This is so stupid. This sounds terrible. No wonder why we didn't hear anything.

Poor Sam fucking Elliott, man. This is. Jesus, Sam. Someday I'm gonna do Tombstone and make this all better. Nobody will ever even know. They're never gonna remember this, I'll tell you that right now. The excellent and the exciting action scenes

were filmed on location at the B-Line Dragway racetrack in Scottsdale, Arizona. They love that racetrack. Michael O'Hurley, he directed a script from Richard Adams. O'Hurley, he directed shit for years, that guy. That's interesting. Okay, Viacom Productions. O'Hurley from fuckin' Seinfeld?

The different guy, I think. Michael O'Hurley. Isn't that him? I don't think so. Maybe, though. I hope not. I hope not. But I mean, you get your start anywhere you can.

Directing shit TV is where TV directors get their starts. You don't get to direct the good stuff right away. You got to do like early season Columbo first, and then you're off to the races April 10th 1974 evil Knievel moving in on Super Joe Einhorn's territory. That's a newspaper head run headline and There because he's only because he's doing a thing around where he lives Yeah, Knievel said Einhorn has more guts than anyone I've ever seen. Okay. Knievel said that. Yeah. So that's nice of him, I guess.

I don't know. He did. Yeah. For a while there, but I guess super Joe, who knows what these fucking people, um, yeah. Um, evil prides himself. If they said, uh, can evil jetted into San Francisco yesterday from Atlanta where he witnessed Hank Aaron 715th home run He went down there to see that that's cool He later celebrated the record feat by setting up drinks in a bar and was presented with a six hundred seventy five dollar tab Which is a lot of money in 74 that's like a fucking you know five thousand dollars

Yeah, evil prides himself and spending his money as fast as he makes it. He said if I invested my money do you know what would happen? Some banker would try to get my bank account, drive my Rolls Royce, move into my house, sleep with my wife, kick my kids butts and run my dog over the hill. If I go out not owing somebody I'll feel cheated. So get as much on the books as you can and owed out there and then die is his goal here. He said that- Using my family.

That's beating my kids up, kicking my dog. He said he's an admirer of Hank Aaron, which is the strangest thing because you couldn't get a more opposite human being than Hank Aaron, and evil can evil. Hank Aaron's like humble, you know what I mean? Like quiet, humble. He's the Barry Sanders type that like scores a touchdown, hands the ball to the referee because he says, I'll be back. I don't need to fucking

make a big deal out of this. See you next quarter. I'll see you in a little while. That's the type of guy Hank Aaron is and Evil Can Evil is the opposite of that. Evil Can Evil could fart and he'd scream to the world, that's the best fart anybody's ever done. opposite of that. Evil Knievel could fart and he'd scream to the world, that's the best fart anybody's ever done. Smell that. Smell that, boy, you can smell breakfast and dinner from last night.

My wife can cook, boy, let me tell you something. Smell that, that's my wife's meatloaf. It's good. So yeah, that's very weird. He said, what America needs are black men white kids can look up to when I was a kid we fought to see who could be Joe Lewis Aaron has done what Cassius Clay failed to do see he's one of these guys number one it's 1974 and he still

calls him Cassius fucking Clay and number two he's one of these guys that thinks that Cassius Clay if a black guy's just quiet and shuts the fuck up then we'll all then he's okay and acceptable. Just shut up and fucking be just like me and I'll accept you. Yeah. But this, this Cassius Clay out here, making a spectacle of everything. Yeah. He said America made it possible for Clay to become Muhammad Ali, but he wasn't a

person kids could respect. Why not? Motherfucker trained his whole life went to the Olympics fucking Literally a US Olympian fought you get in the fucking ring. It's hard Isn't it amazing how like they can a narrative can be created and then everybody buys it isn't that wild? Strange how that happens Why that strange how that happens weird, right? She's a fucking Christ man I do love an outlier that fucking screams back for the common good of everybody like it's so beautiful

Well plus Ali was just fucking He was he could fight but he knew that fighting and itself Ali's a businessman. He wasn't gonna, if he could make more money being quiet, he would've. Period. He knew that's not how you make money in boxing. If you're getting punched in the face for a living, the crowd has to wanna pay to see one guy

get punched in the face or else, what are we watching? And he figured that out from wrestling. If you hope the best for both of them, that's not boxing. No, and you're not paying for that. He figured that out from wrestling you hope the best for both of them. That's not boxing No, and you're not paying for that. Yeah, he figured that out from gorgeous George Ali He said I watched the wrestler and everybody yelled at him and shit. He was like, oh, I see what he's doing He's selling tickets is what he's doing. I think has a big house That he does but he didn't he lost anything and you know, guys didn't do very well in wrestling in the 50s Anyway, so Muhammad Ali probably said I bet I could get a big house like that

I bet I can he says he's writing his autobiography and He says that they said he said he doesn't rate himself as a public figure evil He says I'll leave that up to the newspaper man He said every kid knows Bugs Bunny and Yogi Bear aren't real, they know Evil Knievel is real so I don't know why you put whatever what was he talking about so he said I'll have a $75,000 professional motorcycle race a $75,000 amateur race and 10 of the greatest daredevil acts of all time I'll out draw the Super Bowl and the Pro Bowl. I might even hire Muhammad Ali as my chauffeur. That's a crazy thing to say.

Wow. Wow. That's wild, man. I'm fucking believable. I'm fucking believable. Um, that's crazy. By the way, the funny part about the Hank Aaron thing was evil saying this shit, but a lot of the country didn't wasn't that progressive with evil even to be like Hank Aaron no Richard the fucking president didn't even call him when he broke the fucking record he said he said he goes Richard Nixon didn't call but really didn't expect him to he said fuck that guy yeah couldn't be seen being nice to a black guy with his base didn't work yeah he had that black he stole he stole the Wallace vote, remember.

So, you know. Yeah, yeah. That's how that works. Perhaps if Hank was a few Hughes lighter, he may have called. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, uh. Like, Racist Nan?

Yeah, right, right. Like, Derek Jeter was OK. He's one of those nice. Just too dark. Quote, one of those nice chocolate colored ones. Yeah. What the fuck, man? Sliding scale of trustworthiness based exclusively on

skin tone. Yeah that's the one. Just too much pigment. Yeah it's okay if they're black it's just don't be so black. God it's Jesus and God forbid don't quote act black for Christ's sake either. Whatever the fuck that means. I mean, Christ, Hank acted like an old redneck. He was just like an old, not that he did like, he wasn't burning crosses or anything, but he was like. Like Randy Moss. Yeah, he was like hung out, like they'd show,

he'd be like hanging out at a gas station, just like sitting on the porch with the fellas there, Hank Aaron, he was like an old hillbilly. Listen to Randy, close your eyes and listen to Randy Moss talk to all these fishes. It's crazy. It's fucking crazy, dude. It's insane. It is crazy.

Well, oh man. So 1974, he does a interview with Penthouse magazine. OK, yeah. The biggest. Here we go. Why would he do that? Fucking publicity. He's not turning down anything.

I guess it's targeting a specific audience, and that's the audience that loves him. Well, he's targeting every audience, because he wants kids, and he wants drunken adults, and he wants, yeah. For close circuit, you gotta get everybody. That's the thing. Otherwise, it's not worth it.

So yeah, he's got everything here. He wants everybody. And plus, it's like, oh, he probably was like, I'll do an interview. They'll probably send me free penthouses after that yeah I'll see pussies forever so penthouse said what about your father and he said well my father and mother were divorced when I was very young and my dad used to love to race motorcycles before he got into the automobile business which he's

in now he was a bus driver in the San Francisco Oakland Bay area and he had motorcycles and drove race cars geez I thought my dad was a hell driver in the San Francisco Oakland Bay area and he had motorcycles and drove race cars Geez, I thought my dad was a hell of a guy. I used to go down there when he raced midgets and sports cars Not that's midgets and sports cars That's type of car riding a midget He was racing midgets and spent sports cars like yeah, he's I was thinking it's all races with just midgets driving sports cars Trying to see over the wheels against that would be running real fast either one a hell of a good driver My brother's always also been a good sports car and race car driver. They said what about school?

Gnevel said my grandmother and grandfather put me through grade school and high school in Montana My grandmother sent me to hockey school University of North Dakota hockey school That's not a that's a college sir. That's not a hockey not just hockey school I didn't like school very much never did the only time I liked it is when I had a girlfriend And I wanted to go to school and see her And they said did you have a girlfriend? He said no I was too busy to bother with them I said, did you have a girlfriend? He said, no, I was too busy to bother with them. What?

Then, not now. Right, but the only time I liked school was when I had a girlfriend. Did you have a girlfriend? No. What? So you didn't like it. Didn't like it at all.

He said, I had one who made me go to church too much. I never really had any girlfriend except her, besides my wife that I really fell in love with. They said, you loved the one that made you go to church too much? And he said, yeah, she turned me from a thief in a pimp into a churchgoer just for a while. And then right back to pimping, obviously. Maybe 10 minutes.

15 minutes or so. While they're in church, really, for that hour. Over long masses. What is this little church? Like 50 minutes? Like a shrink session? Is that how it goes? More or less, yeah.

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He said, I stole everything. Yeah. I stole the man's tires back to him. I have no basement. There's no basement floor here. One time the police caught me and another boy with about 300 hubcaps. My dad came up to help us out of the thing, out of the police station. His dad was a hell of a guy.

His dad came up. His dad was a hell of a guy. I told them I bought them from a hobo. They said, you got a receipt? And I had an old receipt that said sold to Bob Knievel, 300 hubcaps, signed hobo Joe. Vern Maddox, who was our chief of police, he about fell off his damn chair laughing. Because he produced that. Here you go.

Yeah. Hobo Joe sent him, gave me these. He was a hell of a guy. Everybody's a hell of a guy with fucking evil. Everybody. Hell of a guy. Hell of a guy, this guy. He said he was a hell of a guy.

Anyway, they said this hobo Joe receipt wasn't going to go. They got about five or six of us when we were supposed to go up for a trial. So we're all in school that morning and all of a sudden the power goes off and my friend is called to the office after the power goes on. His dad worked for the Montana Power Company and was out on a line job and he stood up and hit a cable with his head and it killed it and shut off all the power in the county Killed the feed with his head Wow He said his dad was trying to help us so they let us all off that saved us his dad's death It really did they felt bad hell of a guy head exploded all over the fucking line

really did. They felt bad. Hell of a guy. Head exploded all over the fucking line. That's amazing. They were like, we feel bad because one of your dads died. So nevermind. They said, what were you going to do with 300 hubcaps? And he said, I sold them for a buck a piece. Christ, I needed a few bucks to go out. I could steal a guy's hubcaps when he was sitting in the car. These ore trains go by, they make a lot of noise, a guy's sitting in his car, I didn't care whether he had the radio on or not. I just steal the hubcaps right off his car. Every kid in town knew I could do it,

but I moved on to bigger and better things. I could crack a safe with one hand tied behind my back. They said, have you spent time in jail? And he said, not very long, maybe five days. They said, for what? And he said, I don't know, wrote some guy a check and it didn't clear or something writing bad checks yeah that's called you know just kiting checks that's all holy fucking shit so they said are you ready are you ready to die in the Snake

River Canyon wow it's an odd question. What a fucking question! Jesus Christ. Can we see some of those pussies you got in there? Your fold out centerfold things? Because that would maybe soften me up a little first. Will you explain to us how excited you are to die? Jesus Christ. Well, I'll tell you what.

I could splatter on them, but look at the tits on this one. And that is, anyway, my brains could end up in the river. Are you excited to die so me and my son can bond over it? Cause we'll all be watching. So Knievel said the worst thing that would happen is dying. We get no shit, obviously. Right. That's the worst thing.

That's the worst thing that could happen. If I did, then I just get somewhere quicker than you're going to and I'll have to wait for you. That's all. I'll sit there and I'll have to wait for you. That's all I'll sit there and have a beer and wait for you All right, it's an odd thought yeah, and where would that be the penthouse says Knievel said well I tell you what I'd like to go to the evil Knievel heaven What is that? Well, I think he's gonna explain the evil Knievel heaven is a heaven that's kind of like the one I'm living in here on earth

You know where you fuck all the women you want and like cheat people and lie and do whatever you feel like doing and drink Constantly, you know, basically just keep living. I that's the fucked up thing I don't know never notice whenever you see like heaven shit. It's always very boring looking right Whenever you see like heaven shit, it's always very boring looking right Very very boring. Yeah, I don't want any of that shit. I don't want that that doesn't sound good So he said first of all at the pearly gates would be a forgiving God so I could get in see Secondly, my wife and children would be there. He's killed them off too. Now. That's nice I like having my wife. I like having my wife around so when I fuck other women I can tell her about it and make her feel bad.

Really honestly that makes me even harder when I'm fucking these other women knowing my wife is very upset about it. He said thirdly there'd be a big draft beer system constantly bubbling out of the ground there on a golf course. So he's got like, he's got beer geysers. He's got beer geysers happening here. And the golf course would be one I could shoot scratch on. It would be beautiful too. And there'd be some nightlife.

Good looking broads, easy, good looking broads. Yeah, that's not, I don't think that's... When you went to church, are they talking about that? And when you get to heaven finally, from your days on this planet, there will be easy, good-looking broads for you to... Yeah, heaven sounds a lot like hell with a bunch of whores that know their way around dick. I was gonna say, this sounds like probably, minus the golf course, probably hell-ish. Beer and easy women? Sounds great. Bring your sunblock. This sounds like probably minus the golf course, probably hell ish. Beer and easy women sounds great.

Bring your sunblock. What the fuck are we talking about here? I want any part of this shit. This is boring. Then there'd be a motorcycle jump there so I could jump and never miss. That would be my heaven. There's some people, there's some people think we're going to go up there and sit around and play harps and wear robes and sandals or something, but I don't think that's what I want to do. If I went to that kind of heaven, I'd be doing nothing but sitting there talking to JFK and the Pope and I don't really think I could carry on a conversation with them because I don't think they'd

be interested in what I have to say and I sure as hell wouldn't be interested in what they have to say. As Catholic as he may be, you think JFK went to heaven? That's funny, man. Let's be honest, is any of this shit, why are we talking about this in penthouse? Why are we talking about heaven in penthouse? Why are we talking about any fucking heaven in penthouse? And what a ridiculous fucking concept anyway Scared to die pussy, that's all I want to say to people in the light heaven's gonna be great

I'm like you must be terrified of death cuz you need this. Yeah Fuck so he's he's saying in heaven. He would be doing jumps. You're gonna go to work and that's what I was gonna say Exactly. Why do you need to jump? Right in heaven? I would go nowhere near a microphone That would be my ever now. I'm not going I'm not telling anybody fucking jokes. Kiss my dick I don't have to tell you a joke to be able to pay my fucking electric bill. That's heaven I don't know fuck whether you laugh or not. That's heaven on me hand and foot and leave me the fuck alone Yeah, Jesus bill. That's heaven. I don't give a fuck whether you laugh or not. That's heaven. Wait on me hand and foot and leave me the fuck alone. Yeah, Jesus Christ. That's heaven. He wants to go to work. Heaven is dogs not barking at 8 o'clock in the morning at the fucking Amazon truck. That's heaven. That's all I ask for. Simple things. That's

all I want. Heaven is not my neighbors with a fucking leaf blower in the Air Force flying their goddamn jets over me. Constantly over your house? Yeah, no. That's it. That's heaven. That'd be great. Yeah, that's all.

Some weed and some chilling and some fucking, some good fucking multi-part documentaries I'd like to watch and just kick back and... Alcohol that doesn't kill my fucking liver. There you go. Eggs that don't make me shit my brains out. That's heaven. Ah, these eggs are perfect Penthouse then asked this question. Are you raising your children in a religious atmosphere? Well one he's not raising shit He's he's never home and two if religious is to say I just fucked 30 women while I was on the road now I'm home

I'm gonna boss you around then. Yes, I guess, I don't know. He needs loose, easy, easy on the eyes broads. Like, that's not religion. Well, he said, my children are God-fearing. I'll tell you that, just like I am. People are stupid. They'll say, what do you think about before you jump, just before you go?

Well, the dumb bastards, I think the same thing they'd think if they had to jump. I pray that's the only thing I got left, thing they'd think if they had to jump I pray That's the only thing I got left which is funny because he said you don't pray remember that was last episode He said those stupid athletes pray before they do shit. That's stupid of you Then you're not focused on what you're doing how the fuck you supposed to do that So he knows his audience doesn't he he just goes from thing to thing They said doesn't your wife get mad at you for risking your wife your life

I love Everyone asked him that question always says who the hell cares what she thinks that's what he said before he says here There's a longer answer quote listen my wife flies to see me once every two weeks She's like a little girlfriend to me see she was my first girlfriend And then she was my lover and then she became my wife and she's the mother of my four of my children Okay, thank you for the So let me get this straight you first she was your girlfriend yeah, and then you had kids She was your girlfriend, and then you fucked her is that what you're saying you got married after you knew her already And we're okay now I get it oh And you fucked before you had kids okay that makes

and we're, okay, now I get it. Oh, I see. And you fucked before you had kids, okay. That makes sense. And somehow you threw the word lover in there and made it real gross. And made it creepy and gross and strange. She then, he goes, four things to me. When I got put in the hospital in Detroit,

they gave us a double bed in the hospital. When I was in Vegas, she never left my bedside from the day I got hurt until the day I got out of the hospital, 30 days later. Yeah, she was outside the room while you were fucking go-go dancers Why don't you tell Ben house that they would probably enjoy hearing the story that audience will they'll jerk off to this It's like that's what I mean tails at the end the letters man. You could do fucking do this They said but you don't feel you put too much you put your wife under too much pressure He said no, so they said you've been signing autographs all day.

How are you going to spend your night? And he said, well, I'm going to go downtown and get in just about and get in about four or five in the morning, just like I did last night. Wow. They said, but you can't keep that up day after day. And he said, I've done it all my life and I ain't planning on quitting now. Sure can. Wow. They said, when you get ready for a big jump, he's not quite 40 yet. I think is the problem He's gonna hit that oh boy Jesus they said when you get ready for a big jump

Don't you go into like into training like a fighter and cut all this stuff out? No booze is what makes me jump What are you fucking stupid? No, I ramp it up. He said no, I drink more booze spend more money live better I mean, I'm gonna do the same thing Jesus Christ did when he had his last supper He didn't know that was his last I don't think he knew that was coming dude, or else he probably wouldn't have shown the fuck up maybe right? He's coming, dude, or else he probably wouldn't have shown the fuck up, maybe, right? Yeah, I don't think he'd be dragging that cross if he didn't know. You're like, listen, guys, I super can't make it tonight. Yeah, no, no, I had planned on it, but she's not feeling good, and I'm just trying to,

you know what I mean? Trying to... And to be honest, I heard some foul shit that might happen after, and I'm not going to show up. I don't know, man, I got a bad feeling about the night. I'm just going to say, I got a bad feeling about the night. I'm just gonna say I got a bad feeling about the night and the next few days, just a bad feeling. No positive.

But I am looking forward to the peeps in about four days. That's gonna be great. I'm gonna have peeps and that'll be wonderful. And yeah, and then the March Madness too obviously, every year is a big deal. Said, I'm gonna invite a bunch of friends in and have a real feast and a good time. I'm not going to go to some McDonald's hamburger joint and go home and go to sleep.

I want to live a little bit. They said, but you can't be at your best like that, can you? Good question. They knew it all the way back then, huh? He said, I've been riding a motorcycle for 25 years and I know what I'm doing. I do a lot of pushups, a lot of sit ups, keep myself in good shape. I go out and drink till 5 in the morning teeming with venereal disease but I can do a couple of push ups and the whole thing is all fixed.

I got 25 sit ups in me, I'll be alright. Wow, I mean I'm not doing something that's so athletic that I gotta have great physical stamina but I gotta be in shape or I couldn't even look like I do. But hell, I just want to go get so drunk or so fouled up that I go out there the next day and have a real bad hangover. I don't do that. But Jesus Christ, you know what? I'm gonna try to spend a million dollars in Butte, Montana and Twin Falls, Idaho the week before I jump the canyon.

A million dollar drunk. Oh boy. Oh my. A million dollars in booze is what he's trying to spend? I jumped the canyon a million dollar junk a drunk That's he said he's gonna have a million dollar party in butte He's gonna go an armored truck with a million dollars and go have a party which is not what he ends up doing by the way It's a sad little weird thing that he does So they said why don't you like the Hells Angels what happened with them? Alright, he said in the Cow Palace in San Francisco, the announcer made some comment that I would

set the Hells Angels back 20 years if I jumped the canyon and lived. And they took offense to it. And one of them threw a tire iron at me when I was going to make my jump. Well, I came back into the Cow Palace. He was standing in the middle of the floor giving me the finger. And there was 15,000 people there. The joint was loaded. They came to see me and not him. I always wanted to punch one of them and he was a little bastard so I punched him just as hard as I could. Knocked him flat on his ass right in

front of everybody. Then a bunch of them jumped out of the grandstand but that was a mistake because then a bunch of San Francisco people jumped out of the grandstand and they took 15 Hells Angels to the hospital. They put those bastards right where they belonged. They all got their ass behind bars now for being a bunch of hop heads and a bunch of murderers and that's right where they belong. I don't like them and if I ever see one of them around again that bothers me I'm liable to shoot him. God created all men. God created all men and Winchester made him equal

That's what he said. Holy shit print it Shit he just said that God great all men 15,000 Siskins fueled up on rice oroni and me and my Winchester fueled up on Rice-A-Roni and me and my Winchester. Holy shit, it made them equal. That is some shit right there. And that's the way I think. I'm getting mad.

You better watch out, I'm liable to punch you. I mean, I guess you have a big mouth and it kind of will intimidate people. The Hell's Angels are not known for being intimidated by words. And he's not intimidated by any of them. Great point. He will shoot them.

That's the thing. He doesn't give a fuck about these people. I'm not joking. And he knew he was going to have to fight a bunch of Hells Angels when he got off and fought that guy. He didn't give a fuck. He wasn't afraid of these fucking guys. What are you afraid of?

A name? No, no, I mean... But greasy guys will come to my house. Let them come. Shoot them in the front yard They're they're still there being on a motorcycle and acting tough doesn't mean you're actually tough or I just mean the the Safety and numbers in a in a stadium of 15,000. That's that feels safe Yeah, if they catch him alone with fucking you will do at least six of them because that's what he's gotten his gun

That is 44 more. Period. You know what I'm saying? I'm saying at that point, you want to go down with the fucking ship, go on down. I don't think Knievel gives it. He's the guy who wants to jump a canyon.

He doesn't care. He's not afraid of taking an ass kick. Any ass kicking he takes. He printed that. Just fascinating. He put that in print in 70 whatever the fuck. 74. In a magazine read by them

Yeah, that's the that's that's the point. Yeah I think he wanted them to hear because he wants them to know that he is not afraid of them Which is fine. I think and and I the thing is if it was bluster It'd be one thing he really feels this way sure does yeah He doesn't give a fuck come at me, and I'll show you in the forehead Winchester made us equal motherfucker I don't care. That's what he said. I think life experiences make you feel that way and Have you have you had life experiences where your friends kicked the shit out of a bunch of them? You make you not and fear these bastards anymore, and I don't think he feels if he fears any physical danger

Yeah, I mean who the fuck carries a tire iron? That's, yeah. On their, on their person. On your body? Yeah. I'm going to go into this event. I'll bring my tire iron into this seated event. That's a fucking weird thing to do.

You might carry a tire iron. People carry guns for real. Yeah, for real. And no, no ass kicking you could give a man could be worse than Crashing after jumping the fountains at Caesar's house. So he does not care. You can't hurt him man Put me in a hospital bed. I done that. That's fine. You have to kill me cuz I'm killing you. You know what I mean? Like Penthouse said do you gamble very much and he said a gamble on the golf course Or I like to bet on things like the jump

I like to bet on my ability to do things this guy Amarillo slim He's supposed to be such a big shot gambler. He's just a chicken shit. That's all Amarillo slim is Fuck it's all he said about the guy I don't know that they said you want that in print too, and he said you bet your ass you can print it He's the kind of guy that will ride along in a golf cart along alongside of you and want to bet that you can't shoot At a certain score, but he ain't got enough ability to get out of the golf cart and play because he's the biggest choker in the world They said have you ever been involved with drugs? He says never and I think that's the reason I've healed up so quickly What?

But booze is that yeah. Yeah. He said that's one reason I didn't die when they said I die That's one reason I kept walking when they said I'd be crippled because I've always tried to live right I don't drink a hell of a lot. What are you taught you? because I've always tried to live right. I don't drink a hell of a lot. What are you talking, you, in three paragraphs ago, I'm gonna go out till five in the morning like I did every goddamn night and drink to like.

Was Green Day singing about him? Oh fuck, I think so. He's got his mic. The contradictions are numerous. Wow. He said, I live right and I drink a hell of a lot. I've never taken any narcotics and don't smoke cigarettes. I try to keep myself in pretty good physical shape.

You know, I was in a lot of trouble when I was a young kid. You don't need to tell a kid what's right and what's wrong. He knows it. You have to help a kid. When you find something he's interested in, if you'll help him do a thing and get him excited about it, I don't care what it is, he'll want to do it and he won't want to get into trouble. He ain't got time

I think narcotics is a crutch for people who are not of sound mind and sound body That's just I feel about religion. Perfect works exactly same same shit. I guess you need you'd say I love a natural high. I mean, I don't need it. I don't drink fruit. I don't drink for Christ sakes unless it's social Now it's social. Now it's just, wow. Evidently it's always social then. Unfortunately I'm always surrounded by many, many people. So that's always drinking. He said if it's not there, I don't give a damn.

I think the narcotics thing is coming to an end. I think we're getting through it. What? Drugs are over. Don't worry there, man. I think they're on the it. What? Drugs are over. Don't worry there, man. I think they're on the tail end of their existence. 74, Nixon just said it's war on drugs, so that'll be over soon, we know. I should fix it.

Yeah, it'll fix it all. Wow, that's fucking hilarious. I sure as hell hope we are. Besides being an entertainer, I know entertainers whose drug habits cost two, $3,000 a day. The police know, why don't they bust the entertainer instead of busting some? Poor kid for smoking pot or leave them both alone would be my suggestion

That's I don't care There's some corrupt goddamn cops that are taking payoffs The only way anybody can support a drug habit like that is to have somebody out there stealing for him Jesus Christ, okay. That's what he says. More, he just does it himself. I mean, that's what he says. I don't know what you're talking, yeah.

The reason why they're not busting Hollywood actors is because Hollywood actors are in their houses up in the hills doing this and nobody fucking, how do they know? There's not a lot that just come in there. And it's a lot easier to just pick on some kid who doesn't have any fucking money and won't be able to get a lawyer and get out of this.

So yeah, it's least resistance I think that that is. Very interesting that he just blabbers with no experience with drugs or people that use drugs. I don't know what he's talking about. I don't think so, yeah. Has he ever met a pothead before? I don't think he has. I think he's just like,

I don't even know, like after school special drug. That's like the kind of language he uses. They said, you've said Joe Louis was your idol. Why? He said, I used to love to box. Didn't even have a punching bag. Had some gloves. My dad was in the second world war and he sent me his canteen from Japan.

So I hung it up in my grandmother's upstairs and used to use it for a punching bag. I heard every fight Joe Louis had. I heard the recordings. I heard him fight Schmeling. I heard every fight Joe Lewis had. I heard the recordings. I heard him fight Schmeling. I heard him fight Billy Conn. I heard him fight Jersey Joe Walcott. Heard him fight Max Bear and heard him fight everybody. My dad got his autograph for me one time and I carried it in my wallet for about 12 years. Joe Lewis?

Joe Lewis. Yeah. Awesome. Joe Lewis' autograph. Yeah. I met him in Caesar's Palace, and now nothing makes me feel better than when a little colored boy comes up and asks me for my autograph. Or his dad or mother will bring him. I just love that. Do you call him that too? Don't say that.

Do you call him that? The little guy looks up to me like I looked up to Joe Lewis. You asked me before why I keep doing it That might be one reason But no, that's very little of the reason I think you like to spend lots of money and fuck exotic women That's why you're doing this. That's why you're doing let's be realistic. So they said let's get back to women Do the ladies find you attractive? What now come on, what do you think he's going to say?

He said quote, listen. You know this is going to be... He starts with listen a lot. Listen. That or Christ sakes, that's another one he starts with, sentence with. Listen, I went to a place called Filthy McNasty's in Hollywood. See, we talked about that. And pretty soon these two gals, a blonde and a brunette, started to fight about which one is going to sit by me damn they had a hair pulling contest and

everything and I just ordered up a beer and sat there and watched them it was funnier than hell the blonde won the fight so I took her from Filthy McNasty's with me to my hotel okay remember he was just talking about like Jesus and like all this a minute ago. This is a wild interview dude. It really goes all over the place. I took her back to my hotel. Now I get her up there in the room and she gets excited.

She scratched my back so damn hard that it upset me. I didn't want to go home and have my wife see something like that. So I threw her outside the hotel room. Yeah, I did, threw her right out. He didn't even. Mid-sex, I think is what he's saying. Penhouse says, you want us to use that? You want us to print that too?

You really want us to print that? And he said, quote, I don't give a goddamn if you use it, it's the truth. Okay, they said so you're- I told you to print me threatening an entire biker gang. Sure, print it. I don't care, yeah. Who I will surely encounter in bars and shit

all over the place, because I'm always out there. So they said, so you're not opposed to extramarital sex? Here's a question, that's an interesting question, because they didn't say, you're not opposed to you having extramarital sex. They just said in general, he says, quote, I think if a guy's married and he has a little sex with another woman, he can kind of compare her to his wife. He can compare to his wife and I've a little sex and I've done that for 14 years. Oh

My god, and I still got the same wife that means she's pretty goddamn good What are you fucking talking about? Like is this this one fuck better than my wife. Well, nope. All right, I guess I'm going home on Monday Seeing who's better than my wife. Nobody's as good! Nobody's a wow. They said, well that sometimes causes great problems, Penhouse says, and he says, not if you've got a good wife. Okay.

Not if you've got a wife that allows you to have sex with people and talk about it publicly and humiliate her in print. And if she fucks good. Well that's, at least he said she fucks good. At least he didn't says good. We see didn't say listen I got to get some trim on the outside because my wife fucks like a fucking. Corpse she fucks like a nun in a coma you know what I mean. So I got to do something like a coma toast nun. So wow now you have a good wife.

They said, how would you react if your wife told you she wanted a little extra marital sex? Yeah. And he said, about like any other man. How's that? In other words, they said, and how's that? Good question. And he said, I wouldn't like it.

I think if a man is a good enough man, his wife wouldn't wanna do that. Well, what about? They said, but it's okay for the man? Yeah, they got you back here. Yeah, they got our questions. I'm so glad this interviewer gives a shit. And he said, I think so. Yeah, it's okay.

He said, double standard, absolutely. They said, what do you think about women's liberation? Because this is the 1974, women's lib is a big deal. It's the hot button topic of the fucking time. And he says, I think it's a bunch of horse shit, that's all. What? A woman should be a woman. When she can't be a real good woman,

she wants to be something else. And that's where this women's lib all started out at. That's what I think about it Okay, I don't even know what that I can't I can't even unpack what the fuck he's talking about here Yeah, when she can't be a real good woman She wants to be something else and that's where this women's lib all started out when she's not doesn't let me have sex with different Ladies every night of the week then that's when she's all liberated. That's essentially it.

What does he do? They said, are you concerned about your public image? This is the last question. And he said, in some cases I am and in some cases I'm not. If I really wasn't, I would walk away from this canyon jump and never have to do it. Then again, maybe I don't give a damn about the public. Maybe I just want to be right with myself and not be a phony even if I have to die jumping that canyon.

I don't think life is any popularity contest. The only guy I really got to be with is the guy I look at when I'm shaving. I know what I think of my wife, what I think of my children, and what I think of my immediate family. What I do according to the laws of society, the way I live may not be exactly right, but the laws of society don't constitute my morals. I constitute them as he said before. He's a great interview. He's a graded. That's why he's on all these fucking talk shows and all this type of shit. Here's another thing. It's a newspaper article from the Akron Beacon Journal and it says, is evil a fake or a star?

And it's another type of thing. They are interviewing him here. He said, what prompted you to make your first motorcycle jump? He said, I fell on my head when I was a kid and never recovered. That's what he said here. So this person says, they talk about on Sunday, Sunday and Monday Robert Craig Evil Knievel will attempt to hurdle 10 Mac trucks on Dragway 42 in West Salem as a part of an appreciation day staged by local cycle

dealer Rick Case. It will be the famed motorcyclist's last jumps in this country before he goes for immortality or embalming September 8th when he tries to ride his motorcycle almost a mile through the air over the Snake River Canyon in Idaho. Tuesday the Brown Derby Motor Inn on Route 8 near the Ohio Turnpike evil brought the whole ball of hogwash to Akron. This guy has a fucking definite view here. He said step right up friends, Dr. Evil Knievel, snake oil, heels, warts, dandruff, the common cold, underarm odor, halitosis, cancer and other troublesome physical complaints.

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Look, look up in the sky, it's not a burn, it's a plane, and not a plane, it's super Evil Knievel. Yeah, I would say there's a, he then goes on to talk about how PT Barnum uttered there's a sucker born every evil. Yeah, I would say there's a, he then goes on to talk about how P.T. Barnum uttered there's a sucker born every day. Yeah. Wow, this flim flam man doesn't cop out when the ultimate challenge comes to hand.

So even this guy says he will do his bullshit he said he was gonna do. He's just full of shit on the way there, which that's fine. Let's see what's wrong with that. It's kind of a fascinating peek into the in the Society at the time that everybody knew that it was that he was bullshitting us one way or another Yeah, but he's still gonna put a motorcycle in the fucking air. That's the thing. He's still gonna do that

So it doesn't really matter what else you do as long as you do that So this the Snake River Canyon jump Vince went back home to talk to his dad to try to get his dad on board to be a partner. And Vince said, nah, that doesn't sound good. Really? He said, no, he said, I don't like it. He said, it's totally unknown, untested, untried,

don't know anything about it. The Snake River Canyon Jump is still referenced today. All the time. But financially, not a good, it wasn't great. It wasn't a great thing. It's culturally huge. But financially, when we get into the details of it, it's kind of a fucking disaster.

Because yeah, you're just not going to make the kind of money. The one problem is to have a giant event like this, there's a reason why big arenas and stadiums are in cities, because they have like hotels and restaurants and like, you know, roads that can handle shit like that. Twin Falls, Idaho has like 14,000 people

in the mid-70s. There's like two motels in the whole town. And there might be less today. So I mean, where are all these people gonna go and stay? Because they're not gonna be from Twin Falls, you're trying to draw 100,000 people, so they're gonna people going to go and stay? Because they're not going to be from Twin Falls. You're going to try to draw 100,000 people. So they're going to be from everywhere. Where the fuck are they going? What are they going to do?

The other point with with an arena or something like that, there's places not just for it's in a city. So there's infrastructure built around tourism and staying and eating. This there's also places for people to sit. That yes, Google where this fucking happens. The middle of nowhere. It's nowhere. and we brought it up last time too they need to build roads that can handle the trucks to bring the shit in even like even the television equipment

those are big trucks that come in with that you can't just run them out over a field into the fucking thing going to you know you need a road there yeah you need a road there so anyway they said that Vince senior was didn't really feel like it. He said, doesn't need it. He said, I don't see who's going to pay for this. Yeah, whatever. But he said, this is what I'll do though for you. He goes, I don't believe in it at all.

And I don't want any part of it. I don't want to be involved in it. But I'll bankroll 50% of the costs. Whoa. I'll invest in it. Yeah. Basically like, you know, and then if you fuck up, then don't come to me for more shit. Essentially, this is like your sink or swim here because he did well with his promotions

in Maine. So he said, you know, all right, if you think you can do something, do it. But he wasn't real thrilled about it. Vince Jr. here said about his dad, quote, he hated the Canyon Jump. I had a chance to sell our interest later on and my father was yelling at me to make a deal. He said I should take any price, sell it all for a couple of dollars,

give it away, just get out of it. And I never did. Really? Yep, but that's how Bob Arum got ended up in this is Vince Sr. said, well well if you're gonna do this I'm gonna set you up with a partner who knows how to do this on a large scale, so Here's Bob Aram there you go So it was like like a personal favor basically he asked Bob Aram for would you do this for me?

So Bob building this jump for fucking four episodes. That's what I mean. This is fucking crazy He did his whole life was he did it for years. Yeah, I hope it feels like that because that's what suspense is crazy It's what it is So Bob Aram said I'd worked with Vince the father. He was a good good guy He asked me to be part of the canyon jump to look out for his son He caught me at a good time. I didn't have anything else going on and I was itchy for some action. This was right after Ali went to go with with Don King. So he was like I don't know what to do. So he went to Cleveland with Vince McMahon to meet with Evil Knievel because Knievel was appearing at Dragway

42 in West Salem, Ohio where he jumped 10 Mack trucks that we talked about there. Aram didn't know shit about Knievel. Really? This is the thing, Aram, the first boxing match he ever saw was the first boxing match he ever promoted. What? Yeah, had no interest, never knew anything about it, didn't give a shit. Wow.

Didn't know, he just knew the business side of it. But he didn't know shit about Knievel, so they don't know each other at all. They sit down and within the first five minutes, Evil says this, quote, there are three kinds of people I can't stand. New Yorkers, lawyers, and Jews. Whoa. And a New York lawyer Jew, watch the fuck out. And Bob Arum is the, all three of these things, obviously. That's a crazy thing to say.

That's a lot of crazy shit to say. But he said, I'll stick around. Arum was like, you run into a lot of people who are like that, I guess, in business. So he said, I'll stick around. He said, plus he didn't know if he was joking. He didn't know. He didn't know him. So he didn't know if this was bluster joking, if he was breaking balls to see what the reaction

was going to be. Or if he knew them balls to see what the reaction was gonna be. Or if he knew them all three of those and he's trying to fuck with me. Is he trying to fuck with me? Is he trying to get a rise out of me? So he said, I'll see what's going on. So, you know, and this is, they couldn't be any more different people.

I mean, Aram's literally a New York fucking lawyer and this guy is a Butte, Montana, hubcap thief. Like, they're different, just from different places. You know what I mean? So Anyway, they he said that he his opinion on Ganevel was that Ganevel was a cowboy He said he was all bluster and force So he said opinions are always coming off of him and he goes, I don't know what's real What is it? It really doesn't fucking matter is basically what he decided he said what he does do though

is he gets a lot of attention. And Aram said he was with a whole coterie of people ordering everybody around. He never sat still for a minute. He kept giving speeches. At first he never let me get a word in edgewise. I'm pretty forceful when I speak. He's a lawyer for Christ's sake.

I had come to Cleveland to put across my point but evil has a tendency to chop people up not by doing a job on them but by chopping them up and not letting them get an idea or a thought of their own and just really using the person he's talking to as a platform to get his own ideas across so what they did is to our immediately figured out that to get evil to do what you want him to do He's like one of these like a dumb old mob boss like you can't tell him. Hey boss. What we're doing is stupid we should be doing this you have to make like a Whiff of a suggestion of maybe this is good and then let them idea think it's them or our idea exactly

It's a trick that people play with powerful people all the time You have to make them think it's their idea or else they'll they don't you know narcissists When they go I've got an idea yep Say yeah, that's that's how you handle a narcissist when it comes to shit like that everything's got to be their idea So he said if you argue with Knievel he'll never budge He'll dig in and you're fucked. Even if it's a great idea and he knows it, he won't give in because he won't give you that personal inch. He said much better to slip it in a thought, let it percolate, let him find

the logic for himself because he said he's not a dumb guy, Evil. If you give him the idea and plant it in him, he will figure it out that that's a good idea and do it. He goes, but you just can't force it on him. So that's what it is. And he's talking to evil saying the main problem was that the jumps didn't take very long. They're over in a second. And he said, right, you can't ask people to go to close circuit location, plunk down money and have a fucking 12 second show. Like you have to fill it up.

So evil says in slow motion. Yeah you have to fill it up. So Evil said- Real life isn't slow motion. Yeah, it's the problem. Yeah, well Evil said, you know, well it won't be. His idea was to have, was basically to have a 30 minute film about his life beforehand and then do the jump and show replays of it and do interviews. You can only do that once. He's like, yeah, he goes, that's not really a,

I'm gonna pay for this type of event. So he suggested make, given an undercard like boxing. Fucking Robosaurus. That's Robosaurus. He said, you know, do that. And he said he thought about it and he ended up agreeing on it eventually. He said, Aram said, if you hit him too hard,

he becomes so obstinate that you can't do anything with him But gradually if he takes the time to sit by himself and think he's an extremely intelligent guy and when he eliminates his emotional Initial reaction the idea made a lot of sense to him and he went along with it. Yeah, and that that's a I Get that I get the The inclination to say no. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. At first. It's a product and you don't wanna ruin the product and it's all that he's got as a money making scheme

is more or less what it is, but the product he has is just a very fast moving product and it's over in a blink and nobody's gonna take a night out for 12 seconds. That's the problem. You gotta get fucking babysitters and shit for this. That's crazy. You're gonna drive to the middle of nowhere for 12 seconds? Or you're gonna jack your kids all up and take them and it's gonna be 12 seconds and they're gonna be like, now what are we doing? That's it. We just paid for this.

That's what we're fucking doing. We got no more money left. That no thing is something I fight myself on constantly. I never realized I did it until we were watching that fucking documentary on like the fucking Dr. Dre, Jimmy Iovine documentary. We were watching that at one point and Jimmy Iovine said, Dr. Dre, no matter what you suggest, his first answer is no. No. No. He goes, then he'll think about it and tomorrow he'll be like, maybe that, maybe that, yeah. But no.

And Sarah snapped her head and was like, that's every fucking thing is with you. Every day. Like, business shit, though. Yeah. It's always no, and then I'll think about it, okay, well, maybe we can do this or that. But my initial reaction to everything is no.

A, it's too hard, or B, it's gonna take too much time, or C, one way or another, there's no money in it. There's too much effort and no money. Too much effort and no money. I'm looking at effort to money ratio here going no. Can't do it. My instant thought is no, and then later on, I might be able to figure out how it equals out

a little bit better, but yeah, so I understand that. But this is a different thing that he's doing. I'm doing it out of fear He's doing it out of I didn't suggest that because I don't have any suggestions either. So that's not I'm not saying I know everything he's Saying no out of it's not my idea and there's no money in it for me if it's not my idea Exactly. Exactly somebody else Now we got to deal with this. So by the end of their time in Cleveland

They figured out kind of how to deal with this. So by the end of their time in Cleveland, they figured out kind of how to deal with this. Knievel felt he wasn't going to get scammed by Bob Aram. And Bob Aram said, I think I can make something out of this, basically. And they made a deal. Now, this has helped a lot by the fact that ABC Television also wants to be a part of the operation, because they scored really well in the ratings

with the LA Coliseum jump on the Wide World of Sports in November 73, so then they came back in February 74 with another jump and they even put Howard Cosell and Don Meredith on the call and they were the Monday Night Football announcers at the time and they were like big stars at the time. Huge, you know, that was like the biggest thing in the world at the time, so they put them there to be the announcers

for it, to kind of pump it up a little bit. Is there the first football player that was involved in broadcasting? No, tons, I used to, ever since, even on the radio, they'd have X-Players be color guys, but that was the national show though. Yeah, no, before that, every local broadcast had a, you know, a play-by-play man. and then a guy who'll tell you what a fucking nickel

defense is. Yeah. With Tony Romo. So this is part of ABC trying to kind of be like, like the key, like a younger generations network type of thing. So they, they figured that out. Their initial idea, because they had done on April 6th, 1974, they did a California jam, quote unquote, which was they tried to make the West Coast Woodstock at the Ontario Motor Speedway.

They split it into four different shows on the air and aired it over four different nights. It had Deep Purple, The Eagles, Black Sabbath, Earth Wind and Fire, Emerson Lake and Palmer. Wow. Yeah. Crazy. They drew 250,000 people. Fuck yeah.

So it was a big goddamn show. And so yeah, this guy here, the guy who ran the show, ABC brought him in and said, hey, would you go to the Snake River Canyon and check it out and see what the feasibility is for doing a fucking big concert before this jump? They were like, maybe that's what we'll do here. So he said, all right, but they gave him 10 grand to go there and look at the canyon and give his opinion. Sounds like a great day's work here.

So anyway, he said that he looked and looked on both sides of the canyon and say, give his opinion. Sounds like a great day's work here. So anyway, he said that he looked and looked on both sides of the canyon and he said the only structure out there was a big dirt mound that Ray Gunn had put together before he quit and a huge, steeply angled launch ramp on top of that. So he said the far side of the canyon was desolate and he said it looked like the surface of Mars

and he said, you can't the canyon was desolate and he said it looked like the surface of Mars and he said You can't do that here. Basically. Yeah He said two things ruled out of my mind quote-unquote here He said first was accessibility the few roads were very small. There was no hotels to speak of there Was nowhere for people to stay to eat no way to get around Twin Falls was a town of maybe fifteen thousand000. It could never handle the crowds they were talking about. The second thing was that the rocket had no guidance system. Nobody knew where it was going to land. How could you have all these people over there not knowing

where the rocket would land? It was disaster waiting to happen. You could kill a hundred people or more. So who knows? It's going to go straight. Yeah. So ABC said, all right, fuck the rock concert, but we're still gonna do the jump. And ABC would provide all of the production plus publicity. And basically the deal was though, it had to be kept secret that ABC was involved in this because the plan is to air it a week after the jump on ABC But they can't tell anybody that because why the fuck would they go watch it on? Close circuit with for money when you can see it for free a week later, right? So they said it had to be like this super top-secret thing

But then at the same time they're coming in with trucks. It's ABC on the side. So yeah, you know what I mean? What are you gonna do here and people are gonna see it and then they're gonna know you're gonna pack thousands of people and they're they're gonna tell thousands yeah a senior vice president for production at ABC said one of our producers before the jump at the Coliseum had said you know who evil kind of reminds me of Conrad Bertie I guess that is from the Bye Bye Bertie the musical, a character. He said, so they like to play Bye Bye Bertie songs for him.

Just ridiculous. So the sky cycle is working out here. Bob Truex is finally told by evil, pull out all the stops, whatever you need. I'll pay you whatever money, because they has money coming in now from ABC to do this. And he has all the stops, whatever you need, I'll pay you whatever money, because they has money coming in now from ABC to do this, and he has all this shit and they're talking about ramps and seats

and beaming it to here and doing all this. He doesn't have a fucking actual motorcycle to actually do the trick yet, that's the problem. So that's rough, and it was a big deal because they were saying you have to get it perfect, it can't be fucked up. He said, it will be live on closed circuit. He said so.

Aram told him we can hold the audience for about 20 minutes. Anything about after that people are going to want their money back. So no fuck ups on the day of the show. Bike has to be perfect. They're calling it the X2. Okay. Because the other one was the X1 that the first guy built the he has two models He blew up the x1 by the way in a publicity stunt

They they sent it off the Snake River with less than it needed on purpose So it would crash and explode and make a big deal and people go. Oh look at that Yeah, so they said they needed to be built these new ones from scratch They needed to build they have one model now that they're going to test and then use whatever calculations they have to build the one he'll actually ride from scratch with adjustments based on that. And we're hoping those adjustments are perfect. Perfect and we're hoping it's all done on time also because it has to be because we have a fucking satellite or whatever.

Yeah, because we've got ABC with cameras out here. Yeah. So the one of the engineers said we went from a lot of time. We went from a lot of time and no money to no time and a lot of money. That's a great way to go. Yeah. Yeah. But you can't buy time is the problem.

So yeah. Anyway, he says he expects 200,000 people to show up for this. God damn. That's what he's saying. Yep, he's saying that I expect 200,000 people to come out, just I don't know where he's pulling that number out of his ass, but.

That's a good number. That's what he's telling newspaper people. I see 200,000 people coming, which is insane. He also said, I've been guaranteed more than 10 million for the hot, for the Canyon jump. No entertainer in the world makes more than what I'm making. It will out draw, draw the pro bowl and the super bowl. I expect 200,000 people will come to the Canyon.

It will make more than any heavyweight fight in history. I expect 2 million more. We will see it on closed circuit TV. He expects two million people to pay money to see this. Wow, that is wild. He recently got a sponsorship deal from a deodorant manufacturer, who asked him to film a commercial at the site of the leap,

and he said, I said, give me 25 more than Muhammad Ali and I'll do it. He said, it's a wild. 25,000? 25,000 more than Muhammad Ali and I'll do it because he did a commercial before. It's a wild, wild commercial. I keep competing with myself going farther and farther

when I really don't have to. I guess not. So anyway, they decide to make the money he's making a big promotional aspect of this. Okay, that won't be negative at all. So much so that they make it up, it's all bullshit. They have a press conference where they have a big giant check,

like a big, you just won the fucking publishers clearing house check. Vince McFarland, the other McMahon. Yes, yeah, Ed McMahon, yeah. giant check, like a big, you just won the fucking publishers clearing house check. And they're. The other McMahon. Yes, yeah, that McMahon, yeah. Right, that's it. So Vince is like, hey, that other McMahon is a good idea. So they, Evil suggested, he said, listen,

let's do a press conference where Bob Arum, you, hand me a six million dollar check, which is a down payment for the Canyon run. Oh, this is a little bit of what I'm gonna get. Yeah, this is just- I'm getting more than this. I'm getting another, the rest when it's over. Uh-huh. And Bob Aram said, your guarantee's $225,000.

That's what we owe you, not six million dollars. Yeah. And he said, no, no, no, it's just publicity. He goes, it's not a, I'm not gonna fucking cash it. He goes, it's just publicity he goes it's not a thing I'm not gonna fucking cash it he goes it's just a you know a big publicity and there's some glamour and everyone's gonna be a lot of questions and all that kind of shit here and so you know let's fucking do it basically and he said you know that they had the six million dollar man he goes I'll be

the six million dollar man get it you know what I mean so he said quote I wouldn't cash the check you just presented to me the way I figure it and Aram said he remembers it this way this the evil said his quote was I wouldn't cash the check you just presented to me Aram remembers him saying quote the way I figure it if those and this is Aram's quote if those two African Americans George Foreman and Muhammad Ali, scheduled to fight on September 25th, are going to be paid five million dollars a piece

to fight in Zaire, then I should be paid six million dollars to jump a canyon in the United States. Aram said he said that, except he quote, used another word for African Americans. Oh my god. Yeah, we know what he said. Yeah, we know exactly what he said. Why would he say?

I mean, if colored is cleaning it up for print, then what do you think? I'm white and jumping in America, so I deserve more. I deserve more money, exactly. So, Aram thought the check would be a good, more like a joke basically. He said, so yeah, fuck it, I'll do it. And he got the public relations man from the bank to see if they could rent or borrow a certified check for six million dollars for an hour Maybe two he said maybe we'll bring a couple of rented security guards to show you. This is crazy The bank said no

So Aram said get the fuck out of here Aram wrote the check himself from a top top rank checkbook that never could cover that Amount he's like that way. he can't take it from me actually. He said it was just a joke, just a joke, Aram said. So that's what they're doing. That gets attention though. People, no matter what the details are, all you're gonna hear is everybody at work the next day is gonna go,

do you hear they're giving that guy $6 million to jump over the canyon? Isn't that crazy? Six million, holy shit, that's insane, man. I'd jump over that fucking canyon guy six million dollars to jump over the canyon. Isn't that crazy? Six million. Six million. Holy shit. That's insane, man. I'd jump over that fucking canyon for six million. Yeah, yeah.

Remember how many people... I'd care if I died. Remember like late 80s, early 90s, people would be like, that guy gets paid three million dollars to fight Mike Tyson. I'll fucking fight him for three million dollars. No you wouldn't. And you wouldn't do this either. You wouldn't do this either You wouldn't do this either Bob Aram said the guarantee is against 60% of all receipts

So he said we won't be happy unless it goes to 10 to 12 million because he's you know Fluffing it up a bit for him. Yeah He evil said I'd say 5% of the people want to see me die forty five percent don't want to see me die But want to be there if I do and fifty percent are pulling for me It's probably about right yeah, you know So yeah, he thinks that he's gonna make another woodstock here He said whatever I get out of this thing I deserve it because I paid the price for success if I miss it

I'll just get to where you're going quicker and he says all that shit he's got the same quotes for a lot of them and then he talks about Bob Trueaxe's engineer giving him a 50-50 shot which is bullshit that's just a just to do that here he said I don't know if I'm an athlete a daredevil a promoter a hoax or just a nut but when I make that jump I'll be competing against the toughest opponent of all. That's death. Oh, death.

Death. Death. Yeah. So yeah, all of this shit here. Bob Arum said, quote, Dave Anderson put the $6 million figure in the New York Times. He would be mad at me forever for that. I told him it was a joke. He was not amused.

He'd won the Pulitzer Prize, Dave Anderson. Everybody believed the check That's tough man so after the press conference the promoters went to the bar at the Regency Hotel and Somewhere during the proceedings the way evil pulls the waiter in and says he wanted to pay for the drinks And he asked if he could pay with a check Yeah, and they said sure and so he gave him could pay with a check. Yeah. And they said sure, and so he gave him the six million dollar check.

Where's my change? And he said he went, the waiter went all the way to the cashier before he noticed it was a six million dollar check and then he brought it back to Evil and was like obviously we can't cash a six million dollar check. You can endorse this all you want, it doesn't matter. And Evil said yeah that's all right.

And he, and then he took the real check for a two hundred twenty five thousand dollars out, but the waiter said I can this either No, I don't have that so The press tour begins and it's a huge fucking deal because now it's actually gonna happen. It's not just oh someday I'm gonna do they have a date. Yeah, it's all happening. So he basically, the book says, quote, he was proud to be a sexist pig, a hedonist, a one-track mind. Women, despite whatever the two-year-old Ms. Magazine and its editor Gloria Steinem said about liberation,

were happy to know him. By the end of the second day, Knievel had invited a female television reporter from Pittsburgh to join the group on the plane for a couple of days, or maybe she invited herself. She was on the plane. She wanted the story, the one guy said, and she got the story.

Yes, she did. The story is Evil's dick at this point. So. Oh, boy. When the television reporter left, she was soon replaced by the Avis attendant from Chicago From Salt Lake or wherever it was Knievel invited her to come along and she quit her job right there and was on the plane The rental car the rental car counter. Yeah, she's like I can get another fucking minimum wage job. Okay. Yeah, fuck it

I'll go on the plane with this guy. That sounds fun When she left it was time to fly to Butte and home and the family for a couple days. Bob Aram said, women just loved this guy. They threw themselves at him. They loved the danger in him, I guess. I've never seen anything like it. Women were crazy about him. And he manages to heavyweight, or promotes literally

heavyweight champions of the world and everything. But he said, I've never seen anything like it. The biggest problem was to keep Evil on schedule because he would just make changes for the night. And you know, they said the, like the hotel, he would just be like, he would just go to a different hotel. They're like, where the fuck is Evil? And then they can't find him.

Wow. He said that like, to order, like he would order that the hotel for the night be switched from Denver to Omaha to Kansas City Because he knew some people in Kansas City So he would order the pilots to detour at one point to Danville, Illinois Where he then had them fly low over the headquarters of his friend He's fucking around a guy named one wing and say hello Yeah, watch him a column a pilot who wasn't even on the premises so he just just for the fuck of it the guy wasn't

even there they said he seemed to make changes just to make changes to prove that he was in charge and the pilot said they would worry about what the FAA would think about it a lot of times but you know they said it didn't matter his calls could come at any time deep into the night the call could be about anything at all large large or small. He would say anything he wanted to anyone. In the middle of every press conference, he would stop to make a remark to the one reporter,

Saltman, and say, Shelley, stop talking, will you? Or to Zeke Rose, the man from Ideal Toys, he would sometimes call Saltman to his hotel room, then refuse to open the door, giving orders from the other side. Just he would just yell at you from the other side tell you what you want. They said he was equally hard on pilots or anyone else that worked for him and they said the rules did not go both ways because you know whatever. Saltman saved a note that he and Zeke Rose

received about the situation and it said quote don't ever insult or kid me other than in private or we will have to part company thank you evil oh my he's told several people this that really if we're alone whatever yeah you can break balls but don't do it in front of people because that makes me look like a punk and bubble look weak yeah I look weak so I'll have to part company with you. So, narcissists to the like... Enth-degree. I don't even, this is wild. Of the maximum.

There's never been a more. This is crazy shit, or at least at that point in the world, there hadn't been quite yet. So, I mean, I'm sure nowadays, you can go find anybody that fucking works at a Starbucks and they're more narcissistic than this, I would think. So, and everybody is. Seems like the only one before him was in 1941 yeah imagine if we gave evil

Knievel Instagram what a fucking narcissist you would be he'd be the biggest nightmare who's ever lived evil ever Knievel on tick-tock oh god nightmare fucking nightmare fuck me to tears here. That's saying that's the grossest thing fucking listen It's a you'll hear that one very often probably for a reason So Anyway, they said that they're talking about publicity tall nice of tour and they said part of the reason for the visit to Idaho was for publicity more pictures of evil next to

the canyon to for an interview with an AP reporter But the larger part was to assure these sometimes jittery folk of Twin Falls that raping and pillaging would not take place on September 8th Jesus we're not gonna tear the town apart. They had a public meeting They said Bob Aron returned to the Torah for the day simply for this stop. He wanted to make sure Knievel knew how important it was. Don't fucking joke around. He said, remember that anything you should say in criticism of Idaho or Twin Falls can hurt us. It can blow us out of the water. So, cause he, I guess Knievel in the past had called the people of the town quote a bunch of cotton spud farmers. It's cotton and spud cotton and potatoes.

So, yeah, they said, so be nice and, you know, fucking mind your P's and Q's and all that kind of shit here. He did say that he would take a take out a county permit to stage a local gathering. He said he would donate one hundred thousand dollars to the Idaho State Police and ask the troopers to quote, spend it all to put away any motorcycle gang members who might make trouble. He said, when I leave Twin Falls, I wanna have the same smiles and friendly handshakes from the people as when I got there.

Okay, so I guess so. He said that when he wanted to put on you know, I'm in the nice guy You know, he could do that very well No problem. They said the charm continued He did an interview with the AP writer and said that the key to all the inner of the guy said the key to all Interviews with evil was talking to him when he was in a good mood. The trick was knowing when that might be to him when he was in a good mood. The trick was knowing when that might be. He said to this reporter, quote,

I'm so famous that if the youth of this country voted for president tomorrow, I'd probably win. I'd have a 24 hour guard on my house in Butte, Montana to protect my privacy. Or he said, I have to have that. I make more money for a personal appearance than Elvis Presley and Liberace combined. I'm evil Knievel.

He makes wild ass claims. He just plays the shit that people will talk about. That's it. Did you hear he said this? Did you hear he said that? That's how full of shit people are. It's, you know, it works. It works.

Did you hear what he said? So anyway, he said that he looked at everything. He gets out there. He said the actual ramp, he finally sees it looked at everything, he gets out there, he said the actual ramp, he finally sees it, and he goes, oh shit, he goes, it's a desolate, it's a fucking ramp in the middle of the fucking Mars. What are we talking about?

It's the craziest thing. Yeah, he said it looked like the Tunerville trolley. There was nothing there, it was ludicrous, it was a big joke. And the press would feel the same way, they'd get there and they'd go, what's gonna be here now what the fuck are you doing here and Bob Aram as this goes on his his view of evil gets lesser and lesser basically he said that you know he now thought evil was just a crazy out

of his mind lunatic he said he was a bully and a jackass. He said that his craftiness could be just misjudged early in a relationship for intelligence and a certain wit. But that's soon, after a while you realize that that's not even that. It's just smoke and mirrors and bluster. Yeah. I don't get why people like to be lied to. I mean, because reality sucks.

No, no, no, no. I don't mean like that. I don't mean tell me something pretty. None of that shit. I'm talking about why they like to have people lie right to their faces for things that only benefit the people that they're lying about. Like the person talking was the liars going, I'm great at the greatest thing in the world that I'm great and I'm do this and I'm wonderful.

And the people listening to that will enjoy that for some reason. I Don't understand that How are these people not wired that lying to your face is the thing that makes you want to punch somebody the most? It's the most insulting. It's insulting your intelligence It's them saying you're dumb and I can tell you anything and you'll believe it. It's fucking well that Laurie Vallow interview Holy with Keith and Keith Morrison. Okay, how Keith Moore first of all Keith Morrison looks crispy like a Peking duck right now It's that's what his skin looks like his skin looks like a Peking duck or if you touch it It would just crack his skin turn into what he is

Crispy I've never seen skin that could be into what he is. Crispy. I've never seen skin that could be described as crispy before, but that's him. He looks basted and roasted. Dude, he's like a fucking Peking duck, like shiny, like a crispy duck. It's amazing, isn't it? It's fucking insane.

So I watched the whole thing, right? And then I watched a thing afterwards where one of the NBC guys was, or whatever fucking channel is,'s Dateline, right? Yeah Um, I think it's yes Was interviewing Keith Morrison about the interview. Oh my god. I want that now. I want everybody That was I'm telling you and he's describing all the normal stuff and then they go, you know What was your personal feeling about her type of thing and Keith Morrison goes, you know, I liked her

Keith What was your personal feeling about her type of thing and Keith Morrison goes, you know, I liked her Keith What did you like about her? How I'm like what she did not say one true thing the entire interview She treated him like a fucking asshole for bringing up We're bringing up true things that she said and did that she was like, where'd you hear that Keith? He's like I watched it on video you coming out of your mouth and she's like yeah that's what the media likes to show you. She's insulting saying just because of your job you're a liar and not to be trusted and you're like I kind of liked her but I give up

Keith fucking die you're dead just die your skin I hope your inside looks like that cuz you're a shit journalist Keith Morrison You're shit if you let that person get over on you your piece of shit She's literally insulting the media and and you to your face Does Keith not realize he's the media? It's just wild that someone who fucking killed her fucking kids Obviously is gonna sit there and act like oh Keith come on now Keith with that I will punch you in the fucking throat you cunt I swear to God

This is why I can't be Keith Morrison because I would have said listen cunt next time you make that fucking face I'm gonna go jump over there You better hope these fucking guards get to you before I rip your fucking throat out cuz I will What can tell the hallway? Winked at the camera and you fucking kid-killing bitch first two second interaction with the camera Did you everything that was about to happen? This is all with sham. She's not gonna tell us a goddamn thing She's lies to us already. She's just been watching politics for ten years and when I can do that I can do it I'll just blame you for being-

Had she not participated in murders of six people, five people, a bunch of people. You can have whatever opinion you want until you kill a bunch of people and then I don't give a fuck about your opinion anymore. She sucks. Fucking twat. She sucks so much. I was so mad. I'm telling you dude, I was fucking so angry watch

Clench yeah, how do you kill your autistic fucking seven-year-old? I want to fucking bash her head in anyway and now she's gonna act like this too and and and Dateline is just as bad as her cuz they sold us an hour's worth of shit That is six minute interview and they six minute interview and all the shit that we have already seen on the ship on the case Burned an hour of my life to give me six minutes of nothing you fucking best your evil Knievel motherfucker Yes, you evil Knievel bastard. I'm wasting sons of bitches Keep you don't have much time on the planet look at your skin. It's running out Keith

much time on the planet look at your skin it's running out Keith I'm sorry I'm not I don't I'm not upset with the media for running with narratives I'm upset with the media for not going hey fuck you what you did it this is what you did don't fucking blame me for the poor shit you fucking do I want them to say that say that hey fuck you you know especially if it's like these are like major publications Hey, if I fuck up I have to then they write a thing and say I fucked up. You never do that You know for you. I don't care if you run it in an interview That nobody's gonna watch you better fucking say it say it, but you won't So anyway back to this.

Because evil reminds me of Lori Vowell for some reason. She's a snow job of epic, you know what I mean? She just lies so much that she's just every person that just lies. And she wraps it in religion and the media has done me wrong. The amount of times she said eternities, I wanted to choke her. She knows there's a certain fucking subsection

of our culture that if she says media bad, Jesus good, they'll believe anything she fucking says. Whatever small percentage, I don't know what percentage that is, but there's some people out there that she'll get support and money, and that's I'm sure what she wants for her legal defense, even though she's representing herself. Right. Oh boy. She's jacked about it. It's happening in Phoenix Jimmy I hope I want you on that jury so bad. She's so close

to my house. I know I want you on that jury so fucking bad. I was like oh please. I love it. I will absolutely impartially judge this. Yeah, no problem. You haven't heard my podcast yet? Okay, good, no, I have no opinion on this whatsoever. So yeah, anyway, Bob Arum saying, it's not intelligence and wit, it's just he's a dick and people buy his bullshit for a while.

It's crazy. That's it. So he said he's a shit person though. He kept comparing Evil Knievel to Muhammad Ali. Like let me compare and contrast. He said he brought his two most famous clients together a week before the tour started at a party at Jimmy Weston's restaurant in New York. The purpose was to introduce Evil Knievel and help promote a fight the next night between Joe Frazier and Jerry Quarry

at Madison Square Garden. Sure. So they said, there was a pop culture majesty to the moment, to be sure, the two greatest sports page showmen of the time, maybe of any time, thrown together, big mouth versus big mouth, just like that. And he said, quote, this is Muhammad Ali,

you know what you are, You're the white Muhammad Ali and Evil said well, you're then you're the black evil Knievel. Oh Well fucker I've been around first I was in the Olympics when you were fucking riding up a hill outside of a hamburger stand Ellie talking about So everybody laughed and it sounded great and you know all that kind of shit here, so you know same type of deal But Aram said no the two guys aren't even close He said that he's been with Ali ten times as much as he's been with Knievel 20 times as much maybe a hundred times as much he said Ali for all his noise

Despite the nervous tremors he sets off in certain sections of white America always was a gentleman and a pussycat That's what I've always heard about Muhammad Ali if you meet him. He's a kind he sets off in certain sections of white America, always was a gentleman and a pussycat. That's what I've always heard about Muhammad Ali. If you meet him, he's a kind, gives people his time, treats children well, he's a real nice guy. Even on talk shows when he's being challenged and there's like a clear disagreement, he's so sweet and you just wanna hug him.

Yeah, he's, even as, yeah, it's all, he's actually just trying to sell a fight and he's not actually a dick. Evil Knievel's like, hey, I can be a dick and I bet people will buy that. And he's just, that's what he does. That's who he is. So he said Knievel had been more in more trouble

in a week and a half than Ali had been in the whole time Aram had known him. Aram said, Ali was a kind, caring, warm person. This guy was the anti-Ali. He was a monster. Man, that's fucking interesting here. So. And a white trash Superman and white trash.

My God, my family adored him. Adored him. Yeah. Adored and hated. Hated Muhammad Ali. I heard so many times they would say things about Muhammad Ali. I'm like, I don't know, I'm eight and I think he's pretty fucking great.

Hey, he seems fucking cool to me. And he was stuttering by then. He still seemed pretty goddamn cool to me. He was not even fighting. Yeah, man. He even said that, even Ali was discreet about the women he fucked. He said, he said, you know, Knievel,

he would drink all the time, Ali never drank. He said Ali liked women, but he said he would say, give your number to so and so, and send her to his brother or something. Give your number to him and whatever. Knievel would be like, come over here and take your pussy out. Hold on, hey, let me tell my wife

to go in the other room real quick. Hey, leave. Babe, go get me a drink. I'm going to bang this broad. I'm going to bang this fucking broad real quick. Aram said, Ali and the Muslims were tame, tame, tame. These were normal people, considerate people. And this is from a Jewish guy who like, you know what I'm saying? So like, so it's not just like he likes Muslims because he doesn't, because the black Muslims hated the Jewish people more than anybody. They were like white people,

but especially those white people, you know? So that was the whole thing. So he said, they didn't hurt people's feelings just to hurt people's feelings. They weren't anything like this guy. He said, two incidents really made this clear. He said, after the meeting in Twin Falls and the visit to the Canyon site, Knievel and the tour group flew to Salt Lake City where he was one of 60

recipients that night of the Golden Plate Award as a giant of in Denver of Endeavor by the American Academy of Achievement. What the fuck is that made up horse shit of achievements? Yeah, we've achieved something. I mean, it doesn't, you know, it's saying what we have to achieve right we got awards and shit we could show yeah we got stuff we got a thing and it's all sorts of shit Bogart's and Cincinnati we have a bowling trophy from when we sold out Bogart's so I don't know what you want. We have a pendant. Remember those? It says, perfect attendance several times. That's terrific.

Yeah. Oh, we do have the Spotify award that they gave us for 100 million streams or whatever the fuck it was. We have that. We have all sorts of shit. Give us an award. Achievement people. Achievement people?

We've achieved. It said it was a big time award. Actor Jimmy Stewart, singer Paul Anka, Lauren Green of Bon Bonanza rodeo star Larry Mahan may hell yeah basketball Hell yeah Basketball player John have Lecheck actress Cloris Leachman test pilot Chuck Yeager Cartoonist Pat Oliphant were among the other recipients a lot of famous people here cartoonist Pat Oliphant were among the other recipients. A lot of famous people here.

Oh wow. The dinner drew over 100,000 guests to the Salt Palace where the presenters included actress Helen Hayes, commentator Lowell Thomas. The guest speaker was Watergate prosecutor Leon Jaworski who told reporters he was quite confident that within two weeks the Supreme Court would force Richard Nixon to turn over

all secret recordings from the Oval Office. He was right. Linda Knievel had joined the group in Butte a night earlier, made the trip to Twin Falls then to Salt Lake City for the event. Her presence had brought quite a change to Knievel, quieted him down, but also created the ominous quality that Vince McMahon had noticed. The air changed, not for the better, when he was around his wife, Linda, everyone thought. They all thought she was quiet and lovely and nice, but overmatched,

and people were worried about her. They say, getting on the plane the morning after the dinner, Knievel was cranky and upset that Linda wasn't moving fast enough. He gave her a spank on the bottom to make her move faster. Getting off the plane in Butte, he couldn't find his car keys and accused her of losing them. He dumped the contents of her pocketbook onto the tarmac in his search. He eventually found the keys in the pocket of a jacket that he had packed in his bag.

Oh, evil. That night, he invited Saltman and Zeke Rose, those are the toy people, and some other people to his house for dinner. He had always complained about Linda's cooking as part of his discourses on marriage. Dinner wound up being served late, 11 o'clock, after Knievel spent a long day of golf and early night of drinking at the Butte Country Club. Linda served the meal. Knievel looked at one of the dishes, maybe the peas, and decided they weren't done enough or were done too much and threw them.

They said maybe he threw them at Linda, maybe he threw them at the wall, he threw them. Linda locked herself in the bedroom, dinner was a quiet affair. Bob Arum said he's crazy. He said after he heard this, he left the tour and said he's out of his mind. The second incident came the following week in Austin, Texas. Knievel for maybe the only time on the tour went to bed early.

The hotel where the group stayed featured a swimming pool. Some soldiers on leave from a nearby military base had met some girls and were in the pool at around 1130 at night. They were having some fun making some noise. Saltman and Zeke Rose and a couple of Knievel's friends from Butte were also in the pool. They were quieter but also making noise. They said a figure came out from one of the rooms in the hotel yelling for everyone to keep it down.

The figure began then began shooting a gun. I was just going to say there's a fucking firearm. I, you know, there's a gun here. He said the, the soldiers, the girls, Saltman and Rose, all of Knievel's friends all ran. Oh my God. Aram said it was crazy. People could have been killed. They were just kids having a good time. Yeah. You can't.

Yeah. Just shoot people, shoot at fucking people in the dark here. And he said, yeah, he did that the next day. Evil admitted that he did that. And he also said he called the police telling them some people were making noise and an unidentified someone had shot at them to keep them quiet. Definitely. He told, yeah, not me though. Aram said he's a madman.

So he also said that his solace was that he, Aram anyway, didn't have a lot of skin in the game, meaning his own cash. Said between the investors and Mack Truck and Chuckle's Candy and Ideal Toys and ABC, pretty much picking up all the TV costs, Aram wouldn't be in much trouble no matter how much, you know, no matter how much this happened here. They said the real risk is the closed circuit exhibitors across the country

You know because he said all I have to do is give him the event at that point how it sells ain't my fucking problem He said his one worry was whether or not Knievel you know would do this or what if it would happen or not basically He said what if he doesn't what if the bike doesn't work or he backs out of it then what the fuck's happening here He said he's got gotta get up in the air and he's gotta do it. I mean, that's it, period. So the press tour comes to an end on July 12th, 1974.

They did a little break for the 4th of July when he was grand marshal of the Butte Parade where he did wheelies up and down the street to standing ovations. There's 70,000 people showed up to the parade. Yep, the only bump was the final week when he blew off Portland, Oregon as the plane was about to land

because he didn't like the local closed circuit promoter. So he said, fuck Portland, let's go back in the air. All because of a guy. Because of a guy. August 20th, 1974, he's supposed to jump 13 Mack trucks at the Canadian National Exposition in Toronto here. Bob Arum is begging him to cancel the event because if he gets hurt, he's fucked here.

But part of the attraction was that his two sons, Kelly, 13 now, and Robbie, 11, would be allowed to perform with him. Oh, Robbie's gonna do some wheelies. He's gonna do some, yep. They said everybody be popping wheelies before Evil did the big jump. And also, Evil's making 65 grand for that.

There's the real reason. I'm showing up, yeah. And Aram said, it's crazy, there's so much to lose if he gets hurt. This is not an easy jump that he's doing that night. So he turned into a family outing and all that kind of shit here. He threw out the first pitch at a Cleveland Indians game,

was the grand marshal for a parade in Akron before coming back to Toronto for the jump, and that's how it's going. They said, he said, if you put me in a rocket and send me at 400 miles an hour, I have a chance to be killed, that makes me interested. Okay. Sure, why not?

So he said that he had never jumped more than 11 Mack trucks but what the heck? He said he might as well jump 13 if he was gonna do 12. Yeah. 13 was one of his lucky numbers. That's a bad number. That's a, yeah, so it's great. It's great.

He said August 13th he finally received a permit to land on the far side of the canyon and the permit number was 1313. so he said 13 Mack trucks is perfect Jesus Christ there's so many signals saying don't do this yes he said I'll just come out here get my leathers on have a shot of wild turkey and go out and do it oh my god turned out fine though oh yep he hit everything perfectly 21,000 people were there did a great fucking job grand and Robbie's on the back wheel doing fucking fantastic They said Knievel's 20 seconds sprint through the night air left him silhouetted against the blinking lights of the Midway

That's from the Toronto Star 20 seconds you over Exaggerating slow motion. It's like a second and a half He goes boom and then he's on the ground. That's it. That's the whole thing 20 seconds. Maybe it felt like it. It was not. I think that's yeah, there you go. Probably felt like it. They said that The one literal minded reader objected to Handelman's sweet description. The reader did the math on the 112 foot leap at the 22nd flight. He may have found something He said since this works out to four miles per hour Fly a four mile per hour flight. It appears Gnievel has achieved a startling breakthrough in motorcycle aerodynamics

Flew through the air at forces miles a fucking hour That's fucking crazy. So Yeah, I August 23rd 74, it's coming up on it. And he's saying really, really pumping it up, saying that, you know, I'm going to die. I could be dead. That's these like, okay, the crowd that wants to see me, they're all, they're all in already. Yeah. Now I need the crowd that just wants to see me die. I got to pump up and have people go, well, I wasn't gonna see it, but he could die. Yeah. So then you've got the two that could watch it.

Then he needs to get the crowd that hates him and doesn't wanna watch it. Yeah. Get them too. This is a great, great couple to watch though. The ones that love him, build him up and love everything he does. They're gonna watch it no matter what and then you get those ones That are like fucking I hate you so much. I want to see your insides No, I want to see your fucking your skull splattered here

So they said are you satisfied with your motorcycle in this article? He said if I'm not it's too late now September 8th is right around the corner They then said one congressman has been quoted as saying little children should be forbidden to watch you jump. How do you feel about that? And he said, I've traveled this country eight years speaking on automobile safety. I've also traveled this country eight years speaking to young people against narcotics. I wear a white suit when I ride my motorcycle, not a black one.

Little kids don't run away from me. They identify me. You tell that congressman to go straight to hell go to hell I don't know how you would fucking how would you fucking litigate? Who's watching what in their own home like that's the? Every generation has kids shouldn't be watching this thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're gonna really parse between Duke's a hazard and this guy, who gives a shit?

Yeah, I wanted to jump my fucking car too when I was four and watching the Duke's a hazard. So crazy, this guy is the detriment to society. He's wearing a white suit, sure, that's the good guy versus the black guy. That's what, whoa, that sounded bad. Ha ha ha! Holy fucking what? We know you're going guy versus the black guy. That's what what whoa that sounded bad We know you're going white hat black hat

That is why he changed from the black suit to the white suit Yeah, because in cowboy movies the black hat cowboy is the bad guy not only that He said black is what the motorcycle gangs wear and there's a show that he's not that the opposite I'm and it's also a subliminal thing for him. I guarantee what the motorcycle gangs wear. And there's that. So he wants to show that he's not that, the opposite. And it's also a subliminal thing for him, I guarantee. Because, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. That's scummy, I hate it. Fuck, I hate it.

But it's OK, because he liked Joe Lewis when he was a kid. That's his whole schtick. And the little black kids like me. Yeah, and the little black kid comes up. I don't even like say anything about how his hair's weird. It's fine. I don't say anything about how it's glistening with his sweat. I don't say, hey, hey, big lips, get over here and I'll sign your autograph.

What the fuck else do you want from me? I don't say that. I'm wearing a white suit. I'm a good guy. I'm a good guy. Jesus Christ. I can't believe how much black and white subliminal messaging he's giving and it fucking sucks. So we're going to do a test of the X2. Yeah. August

25th, 1974, not long after sunrise. Wow. This is three weeks after they wanted to do this, by the way. So this is hasn't been going going well. Trueaxe and his team finally fired off the test rocket, the first model of the X2. Aram and Knievel had finally been convinced that the test was a necessity since Knievel's life would be in jeopardy without it. Because they were saying, no, we don't want to pay for two bikes, and they were like, listen,

if you want to live, we need to do this, basically. So they said everything was done in secret. Not only was the press not allowed, no one in the press was even told that the test might happen if the flight was successful the plan was to deny that it ever took place so there you go that plan did not have to be put into action because the test was a failure the parachute system attached for the flight malfunctioned. Almost as soon as the rocket left the launch pad, the parachute deployed.

The trip was doomed 10 yards into the flight. The rocket went straight until the chute was fully open, then it shifted from horizontal to vertical and made a long slow trip to the bottom and the final splash. This time, unlike the X-1 when it crashed, the fins were visible, sticking up from the water so the rocket could be recovered and brought back by helicopter. A medical dummy, the same height and weight as Knievel, nicknamed Good Gallahad by Truax, had been the passenger. The medical dummy was also recovered intact.

Oh, that's great. That's terrific. The combined costs of both vehicles, which would have gone into the Snake River, is almost $500,000, Knievel said, which we know isn't true. They said, this makes the Snake River the richest river in the state of Idaho. In fact, there's a rumor that all the trout

are turning to gold. The figure was an exaggeration. It's about $100,000 to build everything. And so yeah, true acts asked for a postponement of a week or two, but evil said no, we're not possible closed circuit. And so he said, quote, do the best you can. I would have survived that last test. So it's fine. As long as I survive, that survive that's very low bar right so you've improved from the other one because x1 I would have died x2. I would have survived so even if x3 Crashes just make it a little better. Just make it fine. Yeah, so they did they True acts and his crew returned to California went into round-the-clock mode

They decided to junk the autopilot which meant he ripped out all the electronical instrumentation the evil would now operate the parachute manually with a spring loaded dead man control he would hold on to a lever and if he should black out from the g-force involved at liftoff his hand would go limp and the loop the chute would open so okay like a kill switch. Yeah it's gonna open. So on the afternoon of the test here August 25th 74 another event happened here in West Virginia that didn't help Knievel's confidence. Bob Gill part of his competition remember Bob Gill we talked about one of the cycle

jumpers that he beat the had beat the shit out of there at his hotel room failed in an attempt to jump from one side of an Appalachian lake to the other side. He landed short, hit the wall of the river bank head on, was thrown onto the land with a broken back and he's paralyzed below the waist now. Fucked. So they said three weeks earlier another guy,, please so is another one of the competition Why is everybody that does this named Bob? They're all Bob's everybody's fucking Bob kill Bob Knievel Bob

Please so Bob is the name of a guy who jumps shit on a motorcycle though. That's Bob, right? Always That's not a good name for this shit. This is not over. I always hurt always That's not a good name for this shit. Not over water. Bob always hurts himself. Always. Yeah, Super Dave should have been Super Bob. Should have always been. Should have been, yeah. So this guy had crashed at a drag strip

in Phoenix City, Alabama, and Pleso had derided Knievel's efforts at the Snake River before his own jump, and he said for $6 million, all he's doing is rocketing off a ramp, a ripcord and then he in his sky cycle will float like a feather to the ground. This guy then stepped on his motorcycle tried to clear a record of 30 cars landed on the 29th was thrown 40 feet into the air yeah landed on his neck yeah skidded for 25 feet and then died in surgery like a man like a fucking not a pussy like you you bitch

punk pussy let's see what you got now evil that's a pretty wild shit thing to say right before you die evil can even was a pussy now watch this see it's a pretty wild shit thing to say right before you die. Evil Knievel's a pussy. Now watch this. Ha ha ha ha. See, he's a total punk. It's all he would do. Like, I'll do this because I'm way braver. Yeah.

At some point he went, fuck, I wish I had a parachute as I'm flying through the air. As he was counting to 29 as he's in the air, he was like, well, hey, I'm the dummy. Oh, man. That is fucking remarkable, dude. So before he went back to Butte, he was scheduled to pose for the cover of Sports Illustrated

for the September 2nd issue as part of the last burst of publicity here. The SI's photographer convinced him the best shot would be on the floor of the last burst of publicity here the SI photographer convinced him the best shot would be on the floor of the canyon. Okay. Long wall splashed with sunshine they said you know the white night in front of the natural wonder that was his opponent. Knievel agreed but kept canceling the times for shoots. So this guy made one more appointment, rented a helicopter and a pilot to take them down to the floor and he said this guy was stall evil was stalling over breakfast and all that

shit. They were in the middle of a restaurant not far from the rim of the canyon. And they said, you know, helicopter rentals go and I only have a certain amount of time with it. And the photographer said, you're scared, aren't you? And he said, I'm not scared. And the photographer said, sure you are. You're scared to go into that canyon in a helicopter. I can see it in you. So Evil said, fuck you, I'm not scared. Let's go do it right now. Threw his fucking fork down and went out,

marched out of the place. What are you scared? Yep, and they said that's, that picture's the most famous shot of the whole production. I've seen the picture before. It's like him down there with the walls all up there. Yeah, you just got up, I go, and you're scared, aren't you? Wow. And here it is. This is the Sports Illustrated cover. Oh, I'm gonna be honest. He looks

scared as fuck, James. Well, he's standing on there now, so now he's not scared. He was scared to go in the helicopter. Look at his face. He looks scared. Yeah, I think it's windy out. And he's supposed to be jumping from that ridge behind him. Over it. Over. Yeah, I think it's windy out. And he's supposed to be jumping from that ridge behind him. Over it. Over. Yeah, all of this right here that I'm showing. Sports Illustrated, up, up, and dot, dot, dot is the thing. Evil Knievel and his canyon.

Holy shit. So September 2nd, 1974, it's party time. Here we go. Here we go. This is it. He does all this. He had to stage his million dollar party. So from the book it says, the promise of a gala blowout had been a constant on the Evil

Can Evil says goodbye tour. Invitations had been extended to gossip column celebrities who ranged from Elvis to the Pope to Jackie Onassis. A party like no one had ever seen. A ramble through the assorted night spots of Knievel's youth, trailed by that Brinks truck and quickly shrinking pile of money. A million bucks. What kind of good times could a million bucks buy in Butte?

A beer costs less than a buck. Yeah. What are we going to do with that? So they said he decided sometime in the day of September 2nd that he felt like having the party on the night of September 2nd, six days before the launch. It was Labor Day. He was also apparently decided that a million dollar price

figure may have been a bit of an exaggeration. It's going to be hard to do it. So that day, he spends at the Butte Country Club, where the Evil Knievel classic golf tournament took place Elvis despite a special printed invitation to the tournament and the jump just for him had declined the offer to visit the festivities Jackie oh and the Pope and Sinatra and Muhammad Ali and Elizabeth Taylor also a lot of other shit going on same party You know what I mean?

So the two celebrities were in town, were heavyweight boxing legend Joe Lewis, and aging tennis notable Bobby Riggs. Pretty good still. It's not bad, yeah, he's got his hero there, so why not? The 60 year old Lewis, beset with internal revenue service problems, still worked as a greeter at Caesars Palace since the 40s, He had these IRS problems

You still he was trying to pay taxes from World War two basically still his whole fucking life, man So they said so he was a greeter at Caesars and no doubt was paid to take a quick hop from Vegas on a Learjet For the event rigs 56 was still in the news from his losing match and the Astrodome against Billie Jean King in the Battle of the Sexes. Again, people are so dumb, they're like, I don't know, man, I think he could take her. What is he? He's like a 60-year-old man. She's in the prime of her fucking career.

I think he'll be able to do it though. So they said he was still on the payroll for the Welch Candy Company advertising Sugar Daddy, a caramel lollipop. Riggs wore a yellow and red Sugar Daddy tracksuit every day to promote the product. Really? Jesus, that's brutal, man. The health of a candy bar? Fuck, it's just a rock hard,

it's better as a weapon or like a window breaker. I've already seen like on patrol, the cops need to break those windows with that little stick. Just use a Sugar Daddy, it's the same shit. Crash, need to break those windows with that little stick? Just use a sugar daddy. It's the same shit. Crash, crash. The stick is like that little punch that'll at least crack it, then just wallop that thing

into it. And then bash the whole thing out. Oh man. The Welsh Candy Company was also a sponsor of the Canyon Jump, a logo for chuckles on every piece of Gneevil's equipment to promote that product. So a certain synergy existed here. So yes, Riggs was also being paid. The Celebrity Golf Tournament featured two paid celebrities plus Gneevil.

Before the tournament began, Gneevil came up to Joe Lewis and said, Joe, I need a little help, Bob Arum said. These are my people in Butte. Could you do me a favor? Just knock a few out of bounds here and there to make me look good. Aram said, I heard him say this. Joe didn't know what to say.

The idea was so foreign to him, he stuttered, Joe did, so he could say, I couldn't do that. I'll always remember that. What did he want him to do? He wanted him to shank some shots so evil looked better. Oh, at the golf tournament. At the golf tournament.

Yeah, he goes, a 60-year-old man's going to make me look terrible at an athletic event. Drop a few in the water hazard, would you? Yeah, make me look bad, or make me look good. And he's like, no. So he said, Evil played in a foursome with Lewis Riggs and Ed Zemeljak. I don't know who that is.

It was a daredevil golf all the way. Bets everywhere. Knievel soon discovered that Lewis was not so good that he purposely had to hit bad shots. He hit more than enough on his own. Don't worry, I stink at this. I suck anyway, yeah. He said, I'll bet you $50 you can't put the ball on the green, Knievel said at the 200-yard par three sixth hole. I'll pay you on September 9th, the day after the green, Knievel said at the 200 yard par 3 sixth hole.

I'll pay you on September 9th, the day after the canyon jump. Ha ha ha. That's his joke lately. He said if I knock this on the green I'll ride with you on the eighth, Lewis said before he landed a shot. Before he landed just short. So I'll ride with you. It's funny.

Riggs, a golf hustler and a tennis hustler and a hustler's hustler, set up a bet with Knievel that if either of them shot 37 on the par 35 back nine, the other one would pay $5,000 for that. So that's the bet. Knievel went over. Riggs chipped in from the fringe on the 18th hole to shoot 37. They said that Ed Zemeljack and Evil Knievel, Ed Zemeljack saw Knievel write another check to another opponent after another round. They said the golf tournament dissolved

into the always raucous golf tournament banquet, which dissolved into the multi or into the million dollar party, which was no longer a million dollar party. Knievel and Riggs and Aram arrived in together in a Jeep at the freeway a few minutes before midnight. That's that bar. The place was packed. They said the word is out, maybe 300 people, maybe more, elbow to elbow, filling every inch of the small bar room. But they were not people Knievel knew. The people Knievel knew were mostly home in bed. Yeah, these were kids, most of them underage. He's 35. All his people have got three kids and they worked in the mines that day

They're sleeping So Knievel would shout drinks for everybody Yeah, he said the pandemonium that followed was what would be expected from the combination of free beer and young drinkers The freeway was overwhelmed as the young drinkers took as many beers as they could as fast as they could on a normal night The bar was known for his for its pork chop sandwich. A Butte staple, that sounds great, invented by the proprietors of a restaurant called Pork Chop John's. But perfected here when Muzzy hired John's chef for $5,000 just to bring the recipe.

There were no pork chop sandwiches now, there was only beer. The kids whooped and laughed it up and pissed in the parking lot. They took every beer the freeway had, then followed their Pied Pipers evil and the guy in the sugar daddy suit who were now in a police cruiser headed to the Akoma Lounge and the supper club

in the middle of town. The police cruiser was flashing the lights and using the siren and headed the wrong way up Montana Street. One guy, one of the two bartenders in the Tacoma said, there was nobody in the bar a Monday night after midnight and then the party arrived. Wow.

Yeah, he said it was the craziest thing ever. By the time Evil got there, he had to fight his way in. Bobby Riggs, they just passed him through the crowd and over the bar. Then he goes to stand and he stands on a box that collapses and he falls right down. The scene at the freeway was repeated at the Akoma with mixed drinks added here. Owner Sandy Keith, Knievel's one-time commanding officer in the National Guard said, give them anything they want. A polka band played and the caissons go rolling along as the crowd cleared out every bottle in the place

Kids stood on top of the piano bar kids stood on top of the banquets kids stood everywhere They chugged drinks from two tall Galiano bottles that they have been in the bar forever because they there's only one fucking drink that has a splash of Galiano one Because there's only one fucking drink that has a splash of Galeano. One. Literally. And I remember my ex-wife or aunt got me a bottle of that because I'm Italian. And it's Italian. One time...

It's got an O at the end. You'll love it. I had it for fucking years. It's just this tall skinny butt because it looks cool. It's yellow. It looks pretty cool, but you never use it. Nobody uses Galeano. They're chugging this shit. It's crazy. It looks pretty cool, but you never use it. Nobody uses galliano. They're chugging this shit. It's crazy

That is gross One of evils better butte escapades had started in the Akoma drinking in the bar one day He looked across Wyoming Street at the nine story Finland Hotel the tallest building in town Maybe in all of Montana and made a bet that he could drive his motorcycle through the lobby onto the elevator up nine floors onto the roof Roof do a lap then be back on the elevator down nine floors back in the lobby back out the door and Free by the time the police arrived Okay I'll go do a whole thing the key to the bet was that the police station was located within a block of the hotel

Which makes sense that so it's gonna cause more trouble than a truck or a police car can travel in a block. Exactly. So his friend said and he did it. By the time the police arrived he was gone. They said that was back in the day. Now he's with the police. They're driving him around like letting him do this kind of shit. The next stop was Bob Pavlovich's bar, the Met Tavern. More of the same. Then to the Elmar Lounge, a country and western bar for a final stop. One reporter, Joe Esterhaus of Rolling Stone, which by the way, Joe Esterhaus wrote Showgirls and fucking Basic Instinct and like he's a big fucking writer, Hollywood writer, tons of movies he wrote, chronicled the entire party parade. He noted that the herd of youthful drinkers became more and more sparse at the last two stops, more beer thrown at each other than drunk at the

Met. The older crowd at the El Mar already, the kids not really welcome at two or three in the morning. Evil Knievel is a motherfucker, one kid shouted in a party ending stretch of dialogue from the Elmar reported by Esther House. He'd be the best fuck your mother ever had, one of the residents old timers replied. That seemed to be a fine and appropriate good night. That's fucking hilarious. The million dollar good time was a bust. Sandy Keith at the Akoma said the Knievel had rung up a $4,000 bill in an hour.

He said this with a certain admiration, but if the bill was the same at the other three bars and it was probably less because the Akoma was the site of the mixed drink open bar, the total for the night was $16,000. So the million dollar party came up a little bit short. How much was it, 60 grand? 16 grand he spent probably on the whole night.

Only 984 to go. He said there's no celebrities, it was supposed to be celebrities, so he said the only person there was Bobby Riggs. Joe Lewis went to bed, he went home and went to bed. That was that. He said there wasn't even any friends of his, just a bunch of kids and him and fucking Bobby Riggs.

Hilarious. So yeah, they're still asking fucking, Izzy, here's another article that says, Evil Knievel, hero or huckster? Well, that's obvious. Yeah, yeah, so that's what he's talking about here and they never have an answer, what they think. That's the thing.

They talk about it in this article, at his right hand sits a piece of blonde fluff named Liz What? Wow, whoa, is that what they just called her? Yeah blonde fluff named Liz Wow, who can evil met earlier in the day then Liz was wearing a Mont San Mikkel sweatshirt Michael sweatshirt now. she's clad in a simple blouse and skirt. How long will she be a Knievel's right hand is anybody's guess.

Yeah, that's what he's talking about here. So he also says that they talk about the governor of Idaho saying something and he said, the governor of Idaho never met the SOB. He never told me good luck or God bless you or to hell or anything. All right, well, why does he have to? You can do whatever you want. So we're going to cut it off there and we will start the next episode that we do with evil with the Snake Canyon River. Thank River Canyon job. We're here. We're here

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