Crime in Sports - #459 - Unlawful Carnal Consistency - Kendal "Tiny" Pinder

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

This week, we look at a man who was born in The Bahamas, went to college in the US, and played basketball, all over the world, before finally settling into Australia, as his home. The problem is, sexual assaults, and attacks on women follow him, wherever he goes. He is repeatedly caught, for the same exact things, for decades, and always ends up back out on the street. Even when he's a little older, he's still at it. Will Australia ever put him away for good??Fall through a window, causing you to have the brain of a child, seemingly try to assault every woman on the continent of Australia, and try to unravel the mess that is Kendal "Tiny" Pinder!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: [e-mail] Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports [e-mail] facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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but we're gonna do some under the radar ones you probably don't know much about, just random murderers and their last meals, because we find that fascinating what the hell you pick for a last meal is interesting It's one of the most interesting subjects. Yeah, it's like how that's you get their psychology mixed into it It's weird like that must be from his childhood. He needed that cuz his mom for 30 40 years going I just want it. Yeah, he sat there for 30 40 years going. I just want it. Yeah, he sat there for 30, 40 years going, I just need a ding dong. Just one ding dong, you understand? I need chicken nuggets and a slice of watermelon.

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There you go. I'll accidentally get myself fired from SNL. Holy shit, okay. Let's dive right in here with this guy before I, well I can still catch my breath because this is fucking hilarious. Okay, we're going to talk about a guy you've never heard of before, and because Evil Knievel is a guy everyone's heard of, so we're going to do somebody that you've never heard of that's a terrible person.

Very crazy stuff here. This is Kendall, Kendall with one L by the way. Yeah, Kendall Nathaniel Pinder P I N D er The only Kendall of athlete I know is Gil. That's it Kendall Gil And his his nickname is tiny everyone calls him tiny Kendall Pinder Kendall Pinder tiny Pinder is that what he's known by in sports here and he has a alias of Nathaniel Forbes. Sure. That's just a criminal alias though, so that's fine.

Yeah, he is six foot eight, he's a basketball player. Yeah, six foot eight, so obviously he's a jockey. That's what we're doing this week. Born April 25th, so damn, just had a birthday there, not bad, April 25th, 1956. He is from the Bahamas, he is from Hawksville. Oh no, he went to, I guess that's in, oh no, that one's in Miami.

He was in Freeport in the Bahamas at one point, went to high school down there, we'll talk about that. Went to a few different colleges and everything there. So anyway, this guy, some of his early life is kind of difficult to put together because he's not that famous, so it's one of those things. But he did do enough crime where we can get some of it put together.

You know a guy's a bad criminal when you know more about his childhood life from articles about his crimes than about his basketball exploits. You know what I mean? That's how we learned about it. That's crazy. We just know his father's last name is Forbes. That's why he uses that alias because he'll use his middle name and his dad's last name. He will eventually have 12

children. Wow. Which if you just hear about what a messy is,, you go Jesus Christ, there's 12, he's put 12 awful. More seeds out there. Yeah, with that as their dad, so to go forth and wreak havoc on the world probably here. So he was born in the Bahamas like we said, he was raised in Nassau and Freeport down there.

He was nicknamed Tiny by his grandmother because he was really small when he was raised in Nassau and Freeport down there. He was nicknamed Tiny by his grandmother because he was really small when he was little. She did deep for that one, yeah. He was particularly small for his age, which is funny, because obviously, six foot eight later. Good move, yeah. So, yeah. Apparently, there was a lot of violence

inflicted upon him as a child, which, when you hear about what he did later you go Yeah, that doesn't come from nowhere. That's That's definitely learned behavior, obviously he apparently is a lot of instability also in the family and violence and Everything like that Can't find anything on any siblings or anything like that

Not sure if he comes from a big family, a small family. All we know is dad's not around, and there's instability and violence in his family. And we also know, and this is also affecting a lot of what goes on later on in his life, I believe, when he was 12 years old, he fell through a plate glass window. Felt, okay he fell through a plate glass window. Felt, okay.

Fell through a plate glass window and landed on his head and apparently suffered massive head injuries from this. Really? Brain injuries and everything else. Now, a bad brain injury like that when you're 12, when it's forming, will scramble your eggs like a motherfucker. Yeah. Turn your omelet to scrambled real quick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

He fell. Sure. He fell through. There was no push or we don't know. We have no idea. No clue. We just, we know, we don't know the before. We just know the after was through a window and, uh, his and being a pudding brain afterwards. So he, these, this head injury is linked to longstanding cognitive issues also that he has. So basically, he is going to go through life with the brain of a 12 year old, pretty much.

It's pretty much stuck there. So he's going to be a giant 12 year old. Making 12 year old decisions, yeah. Who grew up in violence. This is a dangerous, it was like a loaded weapon you're putting out on the street there you go everybody it's hair trigger well let's see what happens that's what happens when you kick dogs yeah I mean you're making this he's a he's a kick dog who also felt the

replacable ass window fucked his brain up so it's not good you didn't have a sane dog so he didn't start playing basketball till he was a teenager. Because I think he was a late growth spurt guy. And a lot of people, if they're short and they think they're going to be short forever, they go, well, that's not really a, not a lot of future in that for me.

Like you were telling your son, son, when do you play soccer? Closer to the ground. You're pretty, Let's keep it low, bud. I think you're maxed out on height at this point pretty. Let's keep it low bud. I think you're maxed out on height at this point. So let's keep it low, hunch down. So.

No center of gravity man, it's gotta be an advantage. It works, it's gotta be. Yeah, that's why they're all short. So Pinder attended Hawksbill High School in Freeport in the Bahamas from 68 to 72. So that's when he was there. He was enrolled under the name Nathaniel Forbes for whatever reason, no idea why.

I guess he didn't finish school there. He didn't even make it through a whole year there when Pinder moved to Florida to play basketball. Because he was a big tall guy and they were like you should go to the States and play on one of these AAU teams or these high schools that are like two trailers. And two trailers and a beautiful basketball court. Classroom.

We all share one book. Why, yeah, we gather around the book. Everyone gather around the book. Yeah, well the teacher reads out loud and they all sit around like a campfire. We gather around the book. Everyone gather around the book. You're best reader to read aloud. Well the teacher reads out loud and they all sit around like a campfire. So they moved to Miami so he can try to get a scholarship in basketball.

He changed his name to Kendall Pinder upon his arrival for unexplained reasons. So I don't know if his name is originally Nathaniel Forbes and he changed it to Pinder or or if it's Kendall Pinder, and he uses Forbes as an alias sometimes. We don't really know, and it's the Bahamas, so it's a little less than. Yeah, I don't know if you'd take your dad's name there.

I don't know. I don't know how good the records were kept in the 50s on the island. Like, they're pretty laid back now. Imagine in the 50s, they're like, hey, man, don't worry about it, man. We'll write it down, he's born. It's okay man. Like you'd be real Yeah, it's all right like it's the beach, you know, yeah real chill waves and shit

Yeah, I'm sure it's like that in San Diego and half of it too. Like I don't know man We'll get to him like a joint and pull market down tacos. This sounds amazing. That's great. I'm sitting on the beach I'm sitting on the beach. Yeah. Time is it? Who the fuck knows? San Diego's so great that the homeless people sing happy songs. It's fucking crazy. I've never been, most homeless people are like, oh fuck your fucking face, fuck you.

I've seen them just singing like, and the sun is shining. I'm like, what is happening right now? Homeless people are happier than me here? This is fucked up. Not cool. Ask them what time it is, they're like Taco Tuesday. You know, like what? It's fucking Thursday.

God said, Diego's weird. No, it's not. That's funny. So Pinder enrolls at Miami Northwestern Senior High School in 1973, but he was declared ineligible to play basketball to be on the team during his first season there because his family did not accompany him during the move. I don't know why that would make you not allowed to play basketball. You think you'd want to embrace the kid more.

He's all by himself. He's a teenager. He's all by himself in a foreign country. You think you'd want to, you know, try to help all by himself He's a teenager is all by himself in a foreign country You think you'd want to you know try to help him more, but they're like no no parental supervision or like I? Don't know if maybe that was a like a league rule like like they imported a ringer Maybe type of thing or I'm not sure what direction it came from but he became eligible for the 74 75 season when he was a junior in class. He was a junior in class, but he was a senior

in eligibility because of the year he missed in the Bahamas. So he's only a junior, but he has to play as a senior basically. And he does pretty well. Here's an article from the Miami News newspaper, July 23rd, 1974, and it says, Northwesterns Pender Deadly with cat's eye or a basketball. That's the headline.

Let's read here. Tiny Pinder had played credibly. He'd scored 24 points in a summer league basketball game despite having picked up four fouls but now the game was over and Tiny was getting down to the important business trying to figure out which game he liked best basketball or marbles oh You know cuz he's a child Even worse in his brain Hmm tiny whisper said wiping his face when I was little I really learned how to shoot them marbles. I was real good

You know little I really learned how to shoot them marbles. I was real good, you know. Basketball, well, I guess I shoot baskets better than I do marbles." That's what he says. And that's pleasant news for Northwestern's high school basketball fans who should be hearing plenty about Tiny Pinder before the season ends. Tiny hasn't even played a game at Northwestern, but already people have been raving about his abilities. At 6'5 and a half, Tiny isn't so tiny. At Northwestern, he may be one of Dade County's top big men next season. Who is Tiny Pinder? His real name is Kendall Pinder, but his grandmother called him Tiny when he was small.

The nickname stuck. He's a Bahamian who entered Northwestern last year but was declared ineligible to play basketball because his family didn't accompany him in a move to Miami. Now Tiny's quite eligible thank you and Northwestern assistant coach Charlie Funk thinks he'll be a terror next season. Tiny can do lots of things well. He can run and shoot and jump and rebound. He could be the best big man in the city said funk who watched tiny play in the summer league game

You can just see that he's got it all his best asset is that he can jump boy. Can he jump and They also said tiny can play any position. He can bring the ball up the court and keep it as good as anybody He's very versatile so very much like a modern day kind of a yeah positionless guy. Joke it, yeah. Yeah, well a guy who's like 6'8 and can handle the ball and shoot and jump like that, that's kind of what the NBA is looking for right now. That's all it is.

That's all they're looking for right now, yeah. Which is kind of why the game is boring. So it's all the same guy doing the same fucking thing. That's, I just miss, like that guy, he's big and he'll knock you out on the ground, that guy don't leave him outside open that guy will jump over your fucking head and dunk on you I kind of like that it's fun different characters almost in a story or something now it's just like yeah remember when you would play a video game and you'd like have to pick a guy

based on his attributes what yeah what what what's your what's your favorite way of fighting stronger this guy's guy's stronger, this guy's faster. Now everybody does the same shit. Everybody's Blanca now. Like, what the fuck? Pick your fucking guy. It doesn't matter. Everybody's that guy.

It's boring. Bites your face and shoots electricity. Everybody. That's it. Everybody. So, they said, though, that he's very versatile. They said he lived in Nassau, then Freeport, then came to Miami with one purpose, to earn a college basketball scholarship.

The coach said Pinder thought he'd be eligible right away, but the rules state that your family has to come with you. What a weird rule, that's so strange. I think he's living with his aunt, so he had to sit out a year. Why? Was aunt's not good enough? What if his parents died? They had to sit out? Sorry son. I know that your parents were just fucking run over

by an 18 wheeler but you know what? Spend this season recovering and you can play basketball next year. So they said this was hard for him to understand because he saw other kids from the Bahamas playing ball as soon as they moved over here. They said Bahamian basketball players have made heads turn in Miami in recent seasons. Jackson High used four Bahamians to win the class 4A state title last season. Pinder, lean at 175 pounds, hopes to help Northwestern to similar success. He says, quote, I can jump, there's no doubt about that. I've always been able to jump, but I just started playing basketball a couple years ago.

When I first started playing, I'd never be able to reach the bucket with the ball until a couple years ago, I wasn't interested in basketball anyway. I played marbles. Right. Pinder, 17, is actually a junior in class standing but a senior in eligibility. He didn't attend school one year in the Bahamas. Pinder said it was tough sitting in the stands

during the games last season. I thought I should have been playing and I was ready to play man, but I've learned a lot of things about basketball since then and I'm ready again. It should be a good season. And he also said, people always used to be able to block my shots, but not anymore. I can dribble, I can jump, and I can shoot. They said that he's got a soft touch shot, and he said he hasn't even been playing that long. And he said, basketball's the only sport I play now, but it sure was fun shooting those little glass marbles

when I was small. Okay, good for him. Another article from December 6th, 1974, the Miami News. Tiny and pony legs war with Jackson, which sounds like a Civil War headline, doesn't it? Or some shit like that. General Tiny and General Pony Legs are at war with Stonewall Jackson down in fucking Vicksburg. It sounds like clothing that was worn with a guy named Jackson. It's fucking so strange. I don't get it. So Tiny and Ponylegs, in this article, I'll jump right into it here, are rapping about

their team with a visitor talking about having things their way this season. I believe in this team says Tiny Pinder because I know what we can do. Go right to the state championship. The visitor reminds Tiny and Pony Legs who can prize two thirds of Northwest's front court that defending class 4A champion Jackson which happens to be Northwestern's most bit of rival should be tough again to beat this year. P Pony legs doesn't want to hear about it at all Will beat Jackson says Walter pony legs Mitchell. Yeah pony legs is the way Don't know what that means. Is it short? Are they short legs?

Thoroughly torso are these do these turn them on is that what The ponies aren't thoroughbreds, they're too short. So no, I think they're just horses with shorter fucking legs, aren't they? Don't look at me, man, I don't know. I'm gonna say long torso, short legs, like an inbred guy. Enough where it's noticeable as a nickname, like really weird. Or he runs really fast, I don't know.

This is, trying to figure it out is gonna be futile. This is gonna be dumb. He wears a 4XL jersey and he wears his shorts as pants. It's fucking hilarious, I think. That's what I pictured. His dick's down where a normal person's kneecap would be. Down there somewhere. But he's six foot eight also, that's the other thing.

Big man, yeah. Big man, pony legs. He's six foot eight, but he's only two foot a leg That's all I totally see that So a pony leg said we did it all we did it over the summer in the summer league by two points And we can do it again And and so the battle for Dade County High School basketball supremacy has begun if only on a psychological level Tiny says we're together and we've got the height.

Tiny 6'5 and a half, Ponylegs is 6'6. Oh man, and Ponylegs says just wait until you see our front row, our front line. Jackson was 33 and 0 last year though, so they're talking about who knows what's gonna happen. Old Ponylegs here. That's I love Ponylegs. I don't know why that's so funny to me pony legs says Northwestern will be the team The best team in the city and maybe the best in the state Sounds good So February 3rd 1975 he makes the all-star the Miami News all-stars Newspapers all-star team they say he scored 25 points and grabbed 20 rebounds

for Northwestern in a victory over Edison. He also scored 16 points in a victory over Jackson. There you go, they beat Jackson. And 19 in a victory over Miami Lakes. He averaged 19 points a game and led Northwestern to a 25 and five record on their way to a greater Miami Athletic Conference Championship. Terrific.

The old GMAC. So he ends up on April 29th, 1975, he actually gets a scholarship. Really? He is going to play for the East Tennessee State Buccaneers, baby. East Tennessee State. East Tennessee State, ETSU.

Not West Tennessee State. No, you know old ETSU, don't you? That's you. You know, everybody knows old Etsu, don't they? So yeah, that's where he's going to play. I don't know if I've ever heard on this show, even if we've had anybody from East Tennessee State University, I don't know what the fuck that is.

But hey, you know what? It's kind of amazing that he came here, had to sit out and then played one year and now he's going to college. To win it, yeah. That's pretty amazing. So that year at East Tennessee State, he plays in 25 games.

He averages 13 and a half points, 7.2 rebounds. Not bad. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what the kind of competition East Tennessee State is playing against but Yeah, but there is an article in the Miami News about him on February 17th 1976 and It says the strange case of tiny Pender as the headline They say in all likelihood Miami Northwestern High used an ineligible Bahamian player Kendall Tiny Pinder during the 74-75 basketball season. A Miami news investigation here has found.

Right. Well where the hell were you when you were doing articles about him every five fucking minutes? All those articles about him were from this newspaper. And now they're going to act like offended that he tricked them. You're a newspaper, maybe look into it, stupids. I don't know. So Northwestern officials apparently had no knowledge

that Pinder, a high-scoring all-county forward, was probably ineligible. The school allowed Pinder to play based on the records it received from Grand Bahamas Hawksbill High. The records sent to Northwestern were grossly incomplete, sorry about that, and perhaps inaccurate. Perhaps. The principal says yes, there's a possibility he could have been ineligible. They also says this all seems very strange to me. The case of Kendall Pinder, nay Nathaniel Forbes, aka

Tiny, is very strange indeed and it may never be solved completely well thank fuck we're doing this then We'll take care of it guys. Yeah Florida High School Activities Association executive secretary has a long title His business card is the size of a fucking laptop. It's just a huge An 8x10 he gives you saw loose leaf paper It's just huge. Well, they call those tabloids. That's an eight by 10. He gives you a loose leaf paper. This guy, Floyd Lay, is investigating whether Pinder was ineligible during the 74 75 season. He says this is an unusual situation.

No question about that. Pinder's case underlines a pressing problem in Florida high school athletics, namely the eligibility of foreign students. Now they have just like basketball factories so they don't really give a shit who's eligible to do what. Like I said, they have two trailers and an elaborate gym. That's it. Pinder was probably the fifth ineligible Bahamian student to play basketball in Miami within

two years. Jackson High used four ineligible students when they were all undefeated and everything. From Nassau to win the 74, 4A class state championship, the Miami News revealed last October, the FHSAA's board of directors will decide March 12th whether to void Jackson's championship. Pinder, now a freshman at Tennessee State, gave the news details of his Freeport background in a telephone conversation from Johnson City, Tennessee.

Pinder said he entered the 10th grade at government-operated Hawksbill during the 71-72 school year, but that his 10th grade records were never sent to Northwestern. Pinder said they, meaning the Hawksbill people, had thrown my records out. They didn't keep records like they keep records at schools in Miami. So Northwestern only received a record that I completed the ninth grade. If Pinder was in 10th grade in 71-72, his eligibility at Northwestern would have expired

after the 73-74 season. So they're saying that, yeah, they're saying, I guess, that he shouldn't have been eligible to play based on expired eligibility and not anything else. So at the time Pinder was at Northwestern, a student became ineligible for athletics in Florida four years from the time he first entered the ninth grade. Can't play high school basketball, which makes sense.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you can't be fucking 22 playing 17 year old. 22 dunking on freshmen. Yeah, that's wrong Informed that he might have been ineligible at Northwestern Pender quickly decided. Well, maybe everything I told you wasn't true They go well, we heard this he goes. All right, maybe I lied He said I don't know exact dates when I went to school, you know as people don't Really that's either a head injury or just lying. Really? I don't know the exact dates.

I went to school four years ago. Not sure about it. He said, so I don't want to discuss it anymore. That just that's it. I'm done. It hurts my head. Yeah. They were tell you, let me show you the scar. It's improbable. Lay will ever be able to prove consist or conclusively that Pender was ineligible because pertinent records at Hawksville High have disappeared a

dusty stained admissions registry at Hawksville main office shows that Nathaniel Forbes Pender used that name his father's while in Freeport was admitted to that school as an eighth grader on September 16th 1968 this suggests Pinder entered the ninth grade and began his athletic eligibility in 1969, or if he failed the eighth grade in 1970. In either case, you shouldn't have been eligible to play in high school last year. Mom, mom, did you see my race?

Of course I did, darling. Look, you did your best. You tried. The thing is, it's not, you did your best. You tried. The thing is, it's not about winning. It's about taking part. Next year you might do better. But I did win, Mom! You did?

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A three hour search at Hawks Bill by the news and school officials produced no records of when Pinder entered the ninth and tenth grades. However, they sent people. This newspaper sent people to some dusty high school to search through their records about a kid who's already done playing high school basketball. Doesn't even go here. Who cares? How about that? It's over. Who gives a shit?

You know what I mean? We haven't been thinking about him for a while. Wow. We forgot. Yeah, we threw his shit out. We thought he left. I don't know. And a teacher at Hawksbill said, until recently, we never kept proper records of our students.

It's the Bahamas. We're chill. Yeah. We made it for like a beach bonfire so we could hear steel drums and smoke fucking giant spliffs around the fire. We used it to cook the jerk chicken. Yeah, what do you think? That's what we do here.

See when Tiny was here, Freeport was in a boom era and there were children coming in from different parts of the world which had different grading systems. We were just starting our school and teachers had more pressing problems than keeping records. Just keeping the shit straight I guess. Yeah, we gotta educate kids. Yeah, so I guess June of 1976 now. So he just got to fucking college. I mean, this should be the end

of his freshman year of college. He is arrested here for, now the case, this goes back to, I guess he's gonna be convicted of forcible rape Yeah, it's not a wild first choice That's what I'm saying not like you know a and a gun or something there some of these kids extreme shit Some like frat bullshit or like you know they still he stole a stereo out of some other kids dorm or something We've had before.

This is straight rape. Just put a Walkman on and walked out, just right to rape. No, this is rape, Mon. So he was found guilty of, quote, unlawful carnal knowledge of a teenage girl. Statutory rape, forcible. That's a really gross way of saying that. I would say so.

Now... Any carnal knowledge should be unlawful of a minor. Forceful really gross way of saying that I would say so now any Carnal knowledge should be unlawful of a man lawful of a teenage girl. Yeah Yeah, I don't want to know anything about your carnal at that point. It's too young I don't want carnal knowledge of anything you'd keep your carnal all covered up for now How about that all your carnal parts, and I don't want to have knowledge of them keep it out of my house my shit He is given you sir. Yeah may fuck off, five years probation.

Wow. Wow. Yeah, we don't know a lot of the details of the case to know what it was, but he's given five years probation. I'm not sure if he was, you know, pled to this or what. It's spotty records. It's incredibly light. Incredibly light, and I'm sure a lot of it

had to do with a lawyer saying he's come from a very bad background, he's come here, now he's in college, and he's got blah, blah, blah, don't ruin his whole life, and they probably said, okay, yeah, give him another chance. Maybe, who knows, maybe there's, I don't even know. Maybe he had a reason to have unwaffled carnal teenage knowledge, I don't know.

Generally, 19, they don't care about that right? No that's an adult. You can do anything you want. You could be in porn. You could set the record for the biggest gangbang in the world at 19 and no one can say shit about it. A teenager is 17 and under right? Well I mean a teenager is 19 but it wouldn't be illegal if it wasn't under the age of consent. Unlawful teenage knowledge is 17 and under. Fuck yeah you could have all the carnal knowledge of a 19 year old you want Well, I mean obviously you have to you have to do that obviously I think so for now so

7677 Miami Dade College so he played one season with East Tennessee State and then took off because he said he wasn't happy with the coach. Well, I bet he wasn't happy with your rape convictions either, so. Generally not. You know what I mean? I would say that everybody probably had something

they were upset about there. So, and the rape was in Miami Dade County. So I don't know if maybe he's gotta be there for probationary reasons too, if that's part of it, I'm not sure, but apparently he chose to transfer to Miami-Dade College because he would have been required to sit out a year if he joined another four-year school. So you can transfer to JuCo apparently, a junior college, but you can't transfer to another like you know four-year school. University. Then you have to sit to another like, you know, four year school.

University. Then you have to sit out. Back then you'd have that sit out thing, which is the dumbest fucking thing ever. Just to punish kids, to make them have to stay somewhere they hate. That was the big, especially when like a coach would recruit the person, you know,

oh we're gonna do all this, we're gonna do all this, and then the coach leaves. Yeah. I wanna leave now. Goes to get a better job. Yeah, the whole program is sold based on this person, this coach, and now he leaves, and now all those things he told me are a lie,

so I should be able to fucking leave, and for years and years they weren't allowed to. Now you can, but you couldn't for years and years. My agreement was based on the negotiation we had when he showed me all this scattered teen ass around here. Yeah, he took me in here, he got me drunk, he had the guys fucking take me to a strip club, and now he's gone.

And John Wooden's retired? I'm leaving, I'm out. That's very normal. And also someone might come in and they wanna have their own people, and they don't care about you. They didn't recruit you, so fuck you. That's how it works.

It's his first year coaching, and nobody knows who the fuck he is, and we're probably gonna lose Yeah a lot So this year in at Miami Dade College, he averaged 18 points six points and 12 rebounds a game But this is like a junior college. This isn't yeah, this isn't the top tier competition. He's not they're not playing Duke and fucking, you know UCLA and shit here and he's still not scoring. He's barely scoring. What he's doing is rebounding.

Yeah. Well, 18, 6, and 12. And those Miami... Oh, 18 points. 18.6 points a game. Oh, I thought you said 6 points. No, no, 18.6. So yeah, that's not that bad.

Especially, I mean, I'm sure these aren't high-scoring affairs. Yeah. So, I mean, that might be a 56-52 game and he's got 18.6. That's pretty good. Yeah. So I mean that might be a 56 52 game and he's got 18.6. That's pretty good. So on April 29th 1977 he signs to join North Carolina State which is a big good school program. That's a that's a great college. They'll win the national championship in a few years. Five years. Right. Fuck yeah. So not too bad man. Yeah. The whole you know Jim Valvano thing and all that. Isn't that North Carolina State?

No. I don't know. Yeah, right? I thought so. I don't know. I don't remember. I don't fuck, you just don't know. I don't even know what their mascot is.

Wolf Pack. Is that right? Wolf Pack, yeah, they're the Wolf Pack. NC State Wolf Pack. And what year were they were national champs in the in the 70s I would say like 83 oh okay something like that right looking I don't know did national champ oh they've won championships yeah got two James they've got 74 and 83 hey there you go yeah so they're coming off

one a few years before and then they'll have, boom, nailed it. And they have that. So he goes to NC State, big school. That's a big deal there. It's in that area with NC State, NC, Wake Forest, and Duke, that whole, the triangle area there. So that year, he scores, he's plays in 30 games, looks like here.

They don't have the minutes per game, so I don't know how much he's playing, but he has 11.1 points and 6.2 rebounds a game here. Which isn't bad, he's 21 years old. I mean, it's not bad for a kid who's never really played at this level of competition before. And this is big, yeah. Yeah, I'm sure their schedule,

even if East Tennessee State was of that level, I'm sure the schedule is if ends or East Tennessee State was you know of that level I'm sure the the schedule is a lot harder for NC State Because they have to play all those you know just the three schools I mentioned before so 78-79 at NC State he plays in 30 games 11 point three points five point eight rebounds one point two assists that seems to be kind of his His ceiling there. It looks like 11 points or so. So that's about all of his college eligibility now.

That's four years of college. So he is going to enter into the NBA draft here. Here we go, yeah. This was the 1979 NBA draft, baby, from New York City. Jimmy, first overall pick, 1979. You should get this one, actually. Is it, no, what, should I? You should absolutely get this one.

Is it, is it? I rarely say that, but. Is it Kareem? No, Kareem was like, what, 69 or something? That was like 59, 60. He was playing for the Globetrotters in 60 it is Magic Johnson yeah Magic Johnson number one overall with a bullet and well worth it I mean obviously yeah one of the greatest players of all time and you know just the cornerstone of the Laker organization. A real survivor. A dynasty.

And- Nobody compares. 30 fucking five years later. Yeah, Guinness Book should call him soon. It's wild. He's gotta be the longest survivor of HIV ever, right? I mean, he's gotta be close to it because somebody else would have had to been wealthy enough

to get that crazy drug mixture. That drug shit, It was so fucking good They're still using that yeah the triple therapy thing. They're still using that now That's when it came out was then and oh not everybody was getting that like you had no idea Yeah, no, so they know if it was gonna work Apparently it worked so if you got if you got a five years Yeah, he got it five years earlier, it would have been a completely different ball game for him.

Fuck yeah, they would have not treated it with shit for five years. He might have had AIDS by the time 1991 came around. So second overall, Dave Greenwood. He got Bill Cartwright. Remember him on the fucking Bulls teams? Yeah, he's number three overall by the Knicks. Him and Robert Parrish were two oldest men in the league Bulls teams. Yeah, he's number three overall by the Knicks. Him and Robert Parrish were two oldest men

in the league at one point. Everybody, old Tree Rollins was around then too. He was super old. He was like coach player at one point. Remember that when he was player coach in the 90s? I think Cartwright was too. Yeah, Greg Kelser, Sidney Moncrief, he was a really good player.

Vinny the Microwave Johnson there from Seattle's number seven. I'm looking for guys, hey Cliffy, Uncle Cliffy Robinson here, number 11 overall. 79? 79 here, yeah, that is not the same Cliff Robinson. Not the same Cliff Robinson. Oh, it's not?

No. No, no, no, no, this is a guy. Jesus, who knew he was that old? No, no, no, yeah, this is a guy who played from, I just called him Uncle Cliffy because he's Cliff Robinson, but no, no, not that guy, yeah, that's no, no. This is a guy. Jesus, who knew he was that old? No, no, no, yeah, this is a guy who played from, I just called him Uncle Cliff because he's Cliff Robinson. No, no, not that guy, yeah, that's wrong, no. This is like 10 years older, Cliff Robinson. Yeah, no, sorry about that.

That's wrong. Damn it, why'd I do that? Sly Williams and his aggressively, what was it, his aggressively nasty anal warts. Why he couldn't come to a game. You should listen to that old episode That was great. Who else is here? That's the first round Second round Tico Brown First pick of the second round never played in the NBA

Never heard of him either Johnny high Ollie Mack Reggie Carter Danny Salisbury steak never played in the NBA Gary Garland Edgar Edgar Jones, a lot of these guys are one and done kind of guys. This is crazy how weak it was. Yeah there's a lot of guys here I'm looking but there's so many more rounds. Bill Lambeer is picked at the end of the third round. Is that right? Yeah and you know by Cleveland end of the third round so I mean he ended up being on the did even play

I'm not sure I don't remember if he played maybe a year or two in Cleveland a lot of they did that member Kevin Johnson got Drafted by Cleveland to they drafted people a lot of people never kept him. Yeah, never kept him. Yeah, I'm looking here Otherwise, there's not a lot of guys like in the fourth round only four guys But ended up playing in the NBA the whole round the whole round whole round four guys Are yeah, and you've never heard of any of them two of the guys only played one season one guy only played eight games So two guys had actual careers it goes two guys had careers here in the fifth round fifth round pick 101 fifth round pick 101

The Atlanta Hawks select tiny Pender from NC State Yeah, so there he is he gets selected finally here right ahead of Larry Williams and behind Matt White two guys Who've never played in the NBA at all But you know who did those guys that didn't even play like he could have been drafted a round earlier and they could have just Not taken those Wouldn't have mattered. You know who actually was picked after him? Who could have they Mark Eaton. Remember Mark Eaton?

He's led the league in blocks a couple of years like he's a big doofy center. Jordan's shot that shot over where he no that's Elo. Craig Elo Craig Elo. Craig Elo. He's a center. Yeah, I know this Well, he eaten was a Phoenix drafted him and then he went to teams Yes, he was. Yep, but he was a big shot blocker

He led the league in blocks a couple of times an average crazy amounts of blocks He was just this big giant doofy white guy just swatted shit out of the air So he he's drafted by the Hawks by the way, Eddie Johnson is on that team. Fast Eddie. Fast Eddie Johnson, yeah. So if he made the team, we could have had two of the most prolific rapists of all time on the same fucking basketball team.

Fuck those two didn't get together. Imagine that. Imagine if Eddie would have turned this guy onto cocaine. At a time the child murders were happening. Yeah, oh God. Dangerous time to be in Atlanta. Brain damage and blow and fucking everything else. This would have been a mess.

By the way, my favorite guy in the whole draft, Carl McPipe. I don't know why. McPipe, I like that name. He's drafted by Philly with the 103rd pick and never played in the league. So 7980, Pender signs for Hapol, Jerusalem. It's going to play in Israel. Really? Israeli league, yeah.

That's what there is to play in back then. All done, huh? Yeah, like Billy Ray Bates went and played in the Philippines and that's where there was some money there. He was Israeli Premier League's top scorer that year Best score in the six eight. Is that right crushing shit with a total of five hundred eighty six points scored I don't know how many games that is or anything else, but they don't have a points per game in 1980 he joins the Harlem Globetrotters Is that right? Fuck? Yeah, this is from 80 to 83 he's on the Globetrotters. Is that right? Fuck yeah. This is from 80 to 83 he's on the Globetrotters

which is insane. That's crazy. That's like peak Globetrotter shit right? Yeah 70s to 70s were peak Globetrotter but that's coming off it though. When we were little kids the Globetrotters were still a hot shit thing. Sure. Yeah tickets to see them were fucking crazy. Yeah. If they were coming to town you wanted to see them as fucking crazy. Yeah, if they were coming to town, you wanted to see them as a kid. All of these made me mad. I wanted them to play by the rules, and it made me upset. Because then I don't know what's happening if I don't know what a foul is, and I don't know what a travel is anymore.

At six, I can't handle that. I'm just learning the game, and it melted my brain. Yeah, and it's a thing you love, and they're not doing it. Yeah. But these are supposed to be so good at it. Yeah, that's what I didn't get. And I'm learning the game, and I didn't understand it. And I're like, they look so. But these are supposed to be so good at it. Yeah, that's what I didn't get. And I'm learning the game, and I didn't understand it.

And I was like, I'd have to ask people, like, are you allowed to do that? And they're like, you're not allowed to pretend to throw a bucket of water on somebody and have it just be confetti. No, that's not allowed in the league. OK. And this is supposed to be.

I've never seen Patrick Ewing do that. Right. It feels like it'd be much easier just to throw a bucket of water in a guy's face when he's attempting a three point shot. Especially with the game on the line. Just take the ball and put it up his shirt. That'd be much better.

And then run. And then run down the other side out of bounds while giving high fives to kids in the crowd. That's the game right? Up the stairs. Oh my god so 84 85 He goes and plays For I guess this is the a finish basketball league. I did not know Finland had a basketball league, but sure He goes to play he had

32.8 points a game when he played there which was second Wow in the league and also his 14.8 rebounds led the league So most dominant player in the league He's a Hall of Famer already second and scoring first and rebounding is like, you know, that's great. Just stay there Why go anywhere else? You're gonna be the highest paid, right? You're like 92, 93 Barkley at that point. Just stay there, hang out. Don't leave. But that's probably, I don't know how stable of a league that is, how many Finnish people

watch basketball in the mid-80s. And also, you know. It might be fun to watch a freaking nature play in comparison to Finnish folks. Also, how'd you like to be from the Bahamas and be living in Finland? You can't get it's freezing There you're the darkest thing in the whole country. They don't even have a shirt your color like it's just

white Nighttime you still stand out. What do you think the jerk chickens like in Finland? Can't be good. I don't think right Feels like you'd probably Smash ass though. He wouldn't have to. Oh yeah, yeah. No, no, that's crushing. Any, you go anywhere in the world, score 33 points and 15 rebounds a game, you're getting ass.

Yeah. Yeah, you're getting ass, period. Especially if you're a foreigner, you got a cool accent. You're gonna hammer, yeah, you're gonna get it. So after that, he ends up for some, he left that league in 85, I guess for more money. These leagues, all these off-brand country leagues, they're all off-brand leagues that are in different

countries, not off-brand countries, I guess. All of, some of them are, but either way. Teaming countries. Yeah, either way they're all looking to recruit from other places, so every time he goes from, you know, the Globetrotters to Finland, they can say, oh, he's a part of the Harlem Globetrotters. That ups his price, and then he scores a lot there,

and some other country comes and offers him more money, because look how good he's doing here, look how well he's doing. So he ends up going to Australia. Oh. Did you know there was basketball in Australia? I mean, well, I know they have netball No, no, they were really doing a league of bad. Oh, they got

That's good. We got uniforms and everything. It's really great To major league it but they basketball in Australia The NBL is their league the National Basketball League Sure, the NBL and it and it started back in the 70s and it still exists now. Still doing it. It's their league. It is the funniest fucking thing

you've ever seen in your life. It's so bad. It's so fucking bad. There's guys that. Remember the chick that did the break dancing in the Olympics for Australia? They have the chick that did the breakdancing in the Olympics for Australia. They have the basketball players of the same skill level. It's crazy. Like and they get paid to do it. Oh yeah. There's super cuts of just like hilarious blooper reels

of from there. They're so bad fucking funny and like basketball to me, okay, here this is the way the sports break down. Bad basketball and bad football, meaning American football, are impossible for me to watch. I can't watch it. I can't watch people miss open jump shots, and bad football, when you see like that bad quarterback pass and it's not near anything, and you're like, oh, this is a disaster,

then they have to stop and reset,'re like oh fuck this there's no flow like baseball you could watch a bunch of seven-year-olds play baseball and for some reason it's fine you know what I'm saying like oh it's got a good swing on them there like there's little things you could pick up I don't know nice little fastball on it this kid but bad football bad basketball impossible to fucking watch except when it's this hilarious. It's so funny. There's a highlight. You wanna see it right now?

I'm gonna see a super. You wanna see, this is like a quick one. We'll show you like 20 seconds of one, just so you can see the level of fucking basketball we're talking about here. Where is it? Is this it here? Okay, there it is.

Here we go. I'm gonna show you this. Can I make this bigger? Let's see, I don't know, can you? Full screen, there we go. I'm gonna show you this. Can I make this bigger? Let's see, I don't know, can you? Full screen, there we go. Just to white it out and everything else. Okay, I will show you this. And nevermind the sound, because it doesn't matter.

Actually, fuck it, we'll put the sound on. Look at this. Did that go in? Oh, a little jump layup yeah watch this we nope off the top of the backboard he's got his hands up over what is he doing trying to figure out how bad this is stumbling around around. Yeah, they look clumsy. They are, they're terrible basketball players. It's not good. Wow.

Just uncoordinated fellas out there trying their best. Yeah, it looks like if you- It looks like the gym. It looks like every gym in America. Yeah, well it looks like if you forced the kids that don't wanna play outside to go play basketball, that's what would happen. Like if you were like, put that Magic the Gathering game back in the

fucking box everybody out on the court now this is the game you would get out of it they just aren't skilled so in Australia he's followed he follows his head coach from Finland they get the head coach because it's probably like you know they probably said hey if you bring the player, we'll hire you type of deal. So he goes with this guy to the Sydney Supersonics. They got it, they got it. We don't even have a Supersonics and they do.

They got one now. Not fair. In 85, he made his NBL debut with the Supersonics at 28 years old. He scored 26 points in his first game attaboy Crushed it so I looked up a little bit about the NBL because I always like to see these the names of teams and shit And these weird leagues so there were before the NBL came along there were two national basketball Leagues before that they had national the national titles and the Australian Club championships

The NBLL was established as the national invitation basketball league, but then they renamed it just NBL in 1980 Now here are the teams that exist as of this date now the Adelaide 36ers Yeah, yeah the old 36ers what happened in 36? I don't know. I don't know anything about Australia. They have been around since 82. They play and some of the capacities, there's a team that plays in a 5300 capacity stadium. That's big, right? No, that's small for basketball. For them, right? Most of the others are like, most of the others are 10,000. Oh, here's one place 4300 holy shit. So the 36ers the Brisbane Bullets

the Cairns type at type hands the Illawarra Hawks Melbourne United Which is sounds like a soccer team New Zealand break, of course, the Perth Wildcats. Yeah, nope. The Perth Wildcats, the Southeast Melbourne Phoenix,

the Sydney Kings, and the Tasmania Jackjumpers. Okay. I mean, at least they don't have two teams both named the Rough Riders in the league. I'll give them that. So they're one step up on Canada right away, but still. Here are some, a list of def have two teams, both named the Rough Riders in the league, I'll give them that. So they're one step up on Canada right away, but still, here are some, a list of defunct teams, which I find, because there's been a lot of teams

that have gone out of business, or moved or did something else. So there was the Canberra Canons, the Devonport Warriors, the East Side Specters, you know, like they're like spirits. They're not even humans. Well yeah. The ghosts. Well, if you can dematerialize and then materialize again under the rim, you're going to get a lot of rebounds. I feel like, you know, no one can stop you.

The forest, vill, eagles, the Frankston bears, the geelong supercats, the Glenn Glenn, El Glenn, Elg, tigers, Gold Coast blaze, Gold Coasters, Hobart Devils, Hunter Pirates, Lonsetoun Casino City, Lonsetoun Casino City, okay, Newcastle Falcons, North Melbourne Giants, Singapore Slingers. Yuck. What? They played in Singapore.

Yeah. That's wild. That's a lot of teams. Wow. That's wild. That's a lot of teams. Wow. That's a shitload of teams. The South Dragons, Southeast Melbourne Magic, Southern Melbourne Saints, Sydney Supersonics who only lasted till 87, the Townsville Crocodiles, Victoria Titans, West Adelaide Bearcats, West Sydney Razorbacks, and West Sydney Weststars.

Okay. Or WeStars, however you want to look at it so in 1985 Pinder had a huge season he became the only player in NBL history to lead the league in both scoring and rebounding in the same season Dominic he's the Billy Ray Bates of Australia is what he is Fucking he was selected to the as an all NBL first team He averaged thirty three and a half points and seventeen point eight rebounds and three point three assists Wow the Sonics only were nine and seventeen so they must have sucked besides him, but They probably draw drew a few people though to watch this guy play I would imagine. Sure, yeah he's huge. Not bad.

Yeah he's killing it. Good for him. He was also in 86, he played so fucking well the next year he was granted Australian citizenship. You can just stay if you want. You know what, don't leave please. This is crazy. So in 86 he averaged 21.4 points 16 rebounds and three points six assists and The team finished in sixth place that year. So not that great either. So not really working So he ends up that's when the Sonics go out of business in 87

Yeah The tea well, they moved anyway, they moved from the small confines of Perry Lake Stadium to the Perth Superdome. The Superdome was capable of 5,000 people. The one they were playing in before only sat 800 people. God dang. So smaller than one of our live shows, essentially. Yeah, I played bigger than that.

We, all the time, twice that. Twice, almost three. Almost three times that. We have played three, twice that. Almost three. Almost three times that. We have played three, yeah. Yeah, isn't that crazy? Yeah, that's for a whole basketball team. Unbelievable. They have to have hoops and everything.

We're just two idiots and a laptop, it's great. So the new owner quickly moved and turning the Wildcats basket case to contenders, a team who at this point had never had a winning season. His first move was to recruit another guy, a player coach, and provide him with a budget. This guy said, build me a team, here's money. Do it.

So they recruit all sorts of different imports from different, they had Kendall Pinder and James Crawford, and all this type of shit. So they also, he wore, the players wore suits with the team's logo in public now, that was part of the team. So anyway, they had their best season so far. By the way, we had Pinder also having a very good year,

and so, not too shabby here. Pinder had 23.5 points, 13.9 rebounds, 2.4 assists, and 1.4 steals. Not fucking bad, man. That's pretty good. So yeah, doing great. And also they said they had a real fun style of play. A lot of passing and moving and all that kind of shit.

So flowing. Fun. The Australian Hakeem. Yeah, people fucking love that. passing and moving and all that kind of shit so flowing fun Australian Hakeem yeah people fucking love that yeah, they love a fast running running fun game It's fun shit, so he averaged twenty three point five points a game thirteen point nine rebounds like we said so not too bad 1988 89 Perth Wildcats here again They reached the playoffs and the grand final for the first time in 1987. They retained almost their entire roster and they got even stronger. They got a couple other guys on the team here and did pretty goddamn well for themselves. So they finished 13-11 though and in sixth spot, but they did get the final playoff seed okay so they played semi-final games and they ended up losing and not

make not winning a championship 88 89 James Crawford's really the guy 26 point two points 11.1 rebounds 2.2 assists but Pinder's doing very well too 21.1 points 14 rebounds 2.5 assists so he's doing fucking goddamn well here. So this team, I mean, it sounds like if you're living in Australia, there's not a lot of basketball. This would be a fun team to watch. Certainly something. Yeah. It's something. Yeah. 90-91 here. So they keep losing like early in the playoffs then in the before this season a West Australian businessman named Kerry Stokes became the co-owner and They tried to fucking you know get everything back to Respectability basically they moved them into an 8,000 seat Perth Entertainment Center

yeah, not too shabby there. And also, James Crawford got naturalized as well. So now they have two Australian citizens there, doing well for themselves. And things are going good for Pinder. I mean, Pinder, honestly, he couldn't be doing better. This year, 20.3 points, 9.9 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.1 steals.

He was the Wildcats Club MVP. So the best guy on the team, basically voted by his teammates. Fucking pretty impressive, man. Problem is, on October 8th, 1990, the Sydney Morning Herald says basketball star on sex assault charges. Oh no, in Australia? assault charges. Oh no.

In Australia? In Australia. Uh oh. That's not a good day. No. That's a bad day. It's a good day. It's a very bad day.

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Yeah. Right? Deprivation of liberty means you can't go somewhere. That's Australian, false imprisonment.ment there you go false imprisonment. So a Police spokesman said of the 34 year old Pender that he's been released on bail He said the offenses were allegedly committed on Saturday afternoon While in Melville, which is the perth suburb where Pender lives They say a former Harlem Globetrotter, they probably said that in every article before him

because that's a world known thing, the Globetrotters. Former Harlem Globetrotter Pinder joined the Wildcats in 87. He was recently naturalized as an Australian citizen. News of the charges followed the Wildcats first leg win in the best of three National Basketball League semi-ifinal series against the North Melbourne Giants. The charges come at a crucial time for the Wildcats who fly out of Perth later this week

for the second match in the series. Listen to this sentence. This is in the same article of him being arrested for sexual assault. The Wildcats last night defeated the Giants in a bruising encounter. Oh. Really? You're going to call it a bruising encounter. Oh. Really? You're gonna call it a bruising encounter as the same time sexually assaulted somebody?

Good Christ. That is fucking insane. So, oh, that can't be great anyway, for everybody here. Jesus Christ, I don't even know what to say. At least one person. At least one person there, yeah, absolutely. So Pinder that year, 20 point, three points,

doing very well. Now, they win the championship that year as well. So they go all the way to the championship with sexual assault charges hanging over his head. They didn't keep the coach though, even though he won the championship, which is very weird. He was replaced by Murray Arnold, a former assistant coach with the Chicago Bulls. That's what they're doing. That's our guy. Yeah Yeah, and this was a his whole game was focused on defense, which was very different from the

entertaining, you know run-and-gun style that they had before So that's gonna the fans had to hate that. What are we doing now? Just posting up all the fucking time? Jesus Christ. So yeah, they don't win the championship that year though. They just missed the championship. But they were crushing it though, sold out crowds, fucking all sorts of shit, man. So this is like they made this league into something big. You couldn't have, some off basketball league here, never sell out crowds, you know? That's wild.

He only averaged 12.5 points though that year, and 7.5 rebounds. That's not good. That's not too great, and he's getting older, which is probably the reason why. February 28, 1992. So this is from the newspaper, Pinder put on behavior bond. Oh.

I don't know what that is, but we'll find out. Is that like parole? I think it's a- Procrastination? Well, we'll find out. It's an Australian thing. Kendall Tiny Pinder, who played for the North Carolina State and Harlem Globetrotters and currently stars in Australia was placed on a

$7,500 good behavior bond Friday after being found guilty of attempting to sexually assault a 17 year old girl But it was on good behavior, but it was on yeah What what the fuck does that mean? That's not good behavior. No, I think a good it's a bond If you bond if you get in trouble, you go back. It's bail Australian bail. Yeah What but they should really reword it what they say about a bird now being found guilty of attempting a sexually assault a 17 year old He's almost 40. God. Damn it. What are we doing here? He'd remained in custody Thursday while the West Australian Supreme Court received a pre-sentence report But Justice Henry Wallwork said a jail sentence would not be appropriate and that Pinder had quote

Already been punished enough because of his high profile and Perth literally He's been bothered so much. Yeah, He's had a... It's ruining his fucking reputation, James. It's crazy. Now he's gonna have to rape even younger girls because the older ones won't talk to him. They know who he is. Punished enough, a Supreme Court jury found he had attempted to sexually assault the girl

at his home in October 1990. Why'd you have a teenage girl in your home? Yeah. Except for that. That sucks. 92, 93, the Wildcats are 12 and 12, sixth place, and all going downhill there. This is in Australia.

May 27, 1992, a jury of eight men and four women took two hours to find Pender, 36 years old, guilty of two charges involving an attack on a 21 a 21 year old Perth woman in her home That's another person. This is another person. He was ordered to be kept in custody to await sentencing in February He was convicted of attempting the sexually assault a 17 year old schoolgirl was fined $8,000 and given a three-year good behavior bond and he's appealing that case in a three-year good behavior bond and he's appealing that case and he gets arrested again and so he has now found two attacks now and he likes the girls a little bit younger than him obviously here from June 3rd 1992 Pinder gets more

time former Harlem Globetrotter Kendall Tiny Pinder sentenced last week to 18 months in jail for sexual assault that's the wrong sentence was given another you sir may fuck off three and a half years in Perth now there you go yeah there's some years now that's good so it was 18 months for the 17 year old and three and a half years for the 21 year old yeah yeah that is he was found guilty in the Supreme Court last week of the sexual penetration and attempted sexual penetration of the woman. Wow. Oh, he tried to go back for more. What the hell? Monster. So sentence followed an 18 month

jail term imposed on Pender last week for the sexual assault of a 17 year old girl and another incident. So holy shit. He only averaged 7.8 points that year too, so the team, I would assume, would, you know, I would just kinda shuffle him off, I would hope. Yeah, move along, yeah. Now, sometime in 1993, more allegations come up in accordance with three offenses that occurred between 1988 and 1990.

Uh oh. He was found guilty of raping a 23-year-old woman and a 16-year-old girl. Oh boy. And also somebody else too. Three different offenses, three different people from 88 to 90. Jesus Christ. So we know that he's been steady raping for the last five years. How much rape when it was unreported between 76 and 90? So much. Think about that. You

don't just, you don't rape and then stop raping for 15 years and then you go, I got to hanker him for that rape again. Boy, that was, remember that? That was fun. You don't get rape nostalgia. That's crazy. That's fucking crazy. Yeah. It's too much. Yeah, you're either rapey or you're not rapey is kind of how guys work and yeah he's very rapey so Whoof man a bad day. So November 19th 1994 Sydney morning Harold it says a convicted sex offender wants his basketball career back Harold it says a convicted sex offender wants his basketball career back. I'm sure he does. We're talking about five rapes at this point in the last six years. What have you done man? They should be kicking him out of the country at this point

I would think but very few people seem interested in helping him so they say for much of the yeah for much of the past three National Basketball League seasons Kendall Tiny Pinder has followed the league's progress from behind bars in a West Australian prison, serving time for sexual assault. Now the former Harlem Globetrotter who came to Sydney, Australia to play with the Supersonics, blah blah blah blah, he wants to play ball again but not surprisingly the offers have not exactly been flooding in.

Wow. In a growing sport that prides itself on a squeaky clean image. So does the NBA. Yeah, totally. And strong marketing among the younger generation, all but one club around the country are treating him like a leper and not prepared to cop the potential backlash of suiting him up. The one exception is the Illawarra Hawks, who are reportedly close to signing Pinder for next season.

He also, last time he played he averaged 8 points a game. Do you need? Why are they clamoring? It's not like he's going to come in and drop 40 points a game and he's a rapist. He's a benchworm and rapist at this point. If a man's up for rape and you're coming down the lane and you see that six foot eight rapist, you might dish. You might, you might dish, yeah.

You might not take the charge as willingly. Put it that way. There might be penetration in that charge. So they say that the Hawks have struggled in recent years to recruit quality big men to their team, and despite the fact that Pinders 38 has not played an NBL game since starting his prison sentence after round eight in 1992 the likelihood is that he will help the sides on court performance

The likelihood is that he will help. Okay, but will he gain will the gain be worth the pain? Once a person has served his sentence his past should not hinder his individual rights in the future, but unfortunately the stigma of Pinder's past will not be able to be swept aside if he plays next season, and his past transgressions will follow him like an unwanted companion. Pinder and his past will be closely associated with the club he plays with and will have an impact on his teammates, coaching staff, supporters, and sponsors. The reluctance of other clubs have shown as understandable and from public relations point of view the NBL would probably prefer a person with Pinder's background was not playing in competition. But if Iloara do sign Pinder it will be the test of character of opposing teams and

crowds to allow him to get on with his life with dignity. What? I think we're putting the onus in the wrong place there. But yeah, the dignity should be on the other end of that rape thing. Yeah, don't chant rapist at him or anything. What the fuck about his dignity at this point? Fuck are you talking about?

Yeah, that is, wow, that's striking. He's got at least two for sure right maybe three he's been convicted of five five is it five from some the 70s it's six rapes oh six different rape six different women he's been convicted of second at least sexually assaulting them I mean that's dignity James it's put his do yeah don't don't be mean to him though. Is it six six My head spinning. It's ninety ninety two then three more from 88 to 90 than the one from the mid 70s That's six free

He's free and they're talking about hey, not only should he be signed but be nice to him when he gets here Don't bring any mean signs or anything like that. Holy! Wow. Basketball is the only career Pinder has ever known, but he will present an easy target for unforgiving opposition players and, oh my god, parochial crowds who will make life difficult for him next season and will be a continual test for him and his teammates. In 1991 when the Kings were playing in Perth, One of my teammates gave Pinder a severe sledging about his future in jail while he was taking free throws in the heat of sports Battle sledging gets down to the lowest part of shit talking I guess lowest possible level at times while most players will welcome Pinder back to the league He can expect regular reminders about his past the sledging will be

Considerably less than the treatment Pinder will get from certain crowds around the league Well on the whole basketball crowds show good sportsmanship There's always some who lack judgment in their manners on the whole yeah How about judge lacking judgment in your manners signing a fucking rapist to play in front of me? How about that that's lacking judgment me calling him so you're it's you you're a dick for noticing there's a rapist on the court. That's your bad. There's always going to be a couple of bad seeds. Yeah, you know, not the rapist, but the people who notice.

We have to understand that. Oh man, when the Hawks play there, there will often be the odd half wit who will produce some bars to imitate a prison cell and get cheap laughs at Pinder's expense half wit Half wit. Yeah, you know what that says. I don't see the word rape in there anywhere. So I'm fine with a half wit Wow as a high-profile sportsman Pinder will have no choice but to deal with the treatment He receives both on and off the court and while he will never be able to erase his past, he has an opportunity to display those who judge him to those who judge him that he has reformed. It will definitely be in Ilwarra's interest to actively display this reformation through community and charity work.

He's good now. Wow. How the club reacts to his presence will also affect the way in which others treat him. The arguments against recruiting Pender far outweigh the arguments for. He is almost 39, has not played for nearly three years and is a convicted felon. Of 14 teams in the league only one has been prepared to give him a go. Hopefully the rest of the league, the players, crowds and media will give him a fair go too. That's what we're doing right now. Take care of this guy guys yeah it's on us

we're giving him a comedic raping right now that's a fair go it's on us to keep the treatment fair Wow now illa war is also known as Woon W-O-O-L-O-N-G-O-N-G. Yeah. Wow, so that's the Hawks either way. So they end up signing a few guys here, and I think they got Pinder here for some goddamn reason. I don't know why anybody would want this guy on the team here, but he ends up scoring 9.4 points a game

and 6.2 rebounds. Is that worth it for that really? To have a rapist on your team and the opportunity for the team to... and Australians are so mean. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Vicious, vicious human beings. Oh, you're right, cunt. You're fighting. Just screaming at... and that's just because you missed a shot. That has nothing to do with, you know. Like just screaming at, and that's just, because you missed a shot, that has nothing to do with, you know, raping or pillaging. I'm not telling everybody to hide their children from you. Yeah, that's way worse.

I'm just telling you, you're terrible at this sport. Oh my God. So it's hard to keep track of all his kids, like we said, because he ends up with like 12 of them, but one we definitely know about is born, May 28th, 1995, and he names him, this is the craziest fucking name I've ever heard. Nguyen Gong?

Keanu? Like Reeves. Reeves, yeah. Keanu Tecumseh Pinder, like William Tecumseh Sherman, the Civil War general, you know. That guy. Sherman's March. No, Sherman was, Tecumseh's great the Civil War general, you know. That guy. Sherman's march. No, Sherman was, Tecumseh's great.

Vicious man, though. Oh, yeah, great guy, though. Fuck that. Oh, yeah? Guess what? Ruthless killer. No, he was, that's when he was a general. Fuck that.

He burned his way to the Atlantic. Guess what, motherfuckers? He was the guy who had fucking 100,000 slaves, ex-slaves behind him following the line. That motherfucker broke the fucking south and I'm happy he did. I'd love to see if he did it again. Let them just destroy things and people the whole way. We need another march to the sea.

I'll tell you that right fucking now. If you've ever been down there, march eyeball boy. So anyway, Keanu Tecumseh Pinder. Fascinating. Yeah and he's not even what year is this? 895. He's big. He's certainly big. He's a big deal. He's as big as it gets right now. Keanu. Yeah Bill and Ted are there on their third adventure. Oh yeah. No this is right after speed. This is when he was like a real star Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was like when he turned it. Oh, yeah before that he was still like a dude Yeah, this is this is when I'm a true star. Yeah. Yeah this is when he became a big like a literal movie star now before this he was kind of like a

You know, he's a star but he wasn't like yeah, he was Yeah, yeah, he's mass sexy. Yes, yeah. Point Break was the thing there, but that was more about Swayze and all that shit at the time, though. Now he's mass appeal sexy. And he, good for him.

Shaved his head and was hot. Jesus Christ. He seems like a nice guy. People seem to. Seems great, but he's got amazing hair, but he shaves his head and he's still Fucking crazy hot it's not fair. He seems fucking too dumb to be a dick like it would be hard Like if he started being a dick you could easily turn him toward being not a dick

Oh, I'm sorry and he just start doing that. Let's go feed birds you guys. Yeah Keanu Tecumseh ends up being a basketball player for several Chinese Basketball Association teams, and he played college basketball for Hutchinson Community College and University of Arizona. Is that right? Yep, absolutely.

He grew up in Derby before moving to Perth at age 10 for school, played basketball and Australian rules football. This is the son. 2013 he moved to the United States and played for the Sunrise Christian Academy in Wichita, Kansas, and then played some college ball went to the University of Arizona as a junior with the Wildcats. He averaged 2.2 points and 2.9 rebounds for Arizona. So he's bad. Not great, not great.

His mother, I guess, from what we found out, is a woman named Tracy Smith, who is an indigenous Australian woman from the Kimberley region of Western Australia. Yeah, beautiful place. There you go, so that's that kid. He played with a lot of teams. He ended up playing. Shit, he's still playing now. But he ended up playing. No, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Two points and college didn't do it. The Lakeside Lightning, East Perth Eagles, Legio Wars Sawa, Adelaide 36ers, Karens Tapins, Northside Wizards, Fune Labrada, Perth Wildcats, he plays for his dad's old team, and now he's in China right now playing. So yeah, he was the, what is this? I don't even know, college, no that's, no, oh he was some league's co-defensive player of the year in 2016. The KJ CCC whatever the fuck sure

Why not your college? Championship teams division one and he also played for the Australian men's basketball team as well in the Olympics so February 1st 1996 Here we go. Old Kendall's doing some shit, Tiny's not doing well. He is sentenced to, you sir, may fuck off, a maximum of five years in jail.

Oh. For having quote, for indecently assaulting and having sex with a 15-year-old school girl. How old is he at this point? 42. Oh my God. It gets worse, Jimmy. As if the sentence had sex with a 15-year-old school girl

when they're 40 and also a convicted several times over rapist isn't bad enough. You wanna know what he was doing? No. Well. Yes. This was in Campbelltown and that was a where, what, I don't know where the rape happened. We'll find out, but he was on his honeymoon. What? He just got married.

He walked away from his bride to rape a sophomore. Get the fuck out. That is the he's 39 years old. That's the most unhinged crazy bonkers vile What the shit? Imagine every divorce attorney in Australia's ears perking up at that he did what on your honey? Oh my god, Jesus You know, we do everything fuck everything Yeah, fuck half. Wow, that's crazy

jury found him Guilty but acquitted him of two more serious charges. They go on to say it's not the first time the disgraced star, whose wife still supports him. Oh my god. Oh boy. You are, I gotta put down Pender's wife

as the Golden Gilratha front runner. Why would you? She's a front runner for the Golden Gilead Rieffel Award. It's early in the year, but I don't care. She's got it. You just got married. You can cut and run, right? You don't have to.

See, I didn't know that. You did marry a guy who's got like six rape convictions, but still. She had to know that was coming. Holy shit. He's been sent to jail for sex offense against minors. They talk about when he served prison. My god.

Later, I guess early when he was in prison, he took part in a 20-week sex offender treatment program. Worked swimmingly, I can see here. Wow, that is fucking insane. In sentencing him, Judge Ford said the basketballer had taken advantage of a quote, somewhat naive and gullible child. And for that reason alone, the offenses are very serious. You were certainly well aware of your prominence in the sport of basketball.

You were recognized not only by adult members of society, but also you attracted the attention of young persons such as the victim and some of her school friends who attended some of the matches in which you played also added that he wholeheartedly agreed that he had taken advantage of his high profile in the community to quote satisfy his own sexual purposes yeah said you sir may fuck off their hardcore dirt bag The court has been told that Pender picked up his latest victim from a school bus stop What? He's on his honeymoon, and he's trolling for fucking sophomores at the school bus stop In it does he live here or is this?

Does he live here or is this, you know what I mean, is this a destination on Emun? It was in Walengong or whatever, so that's where last place he played ball. Holy shit. And he offered her a ride home. Yeah. And he took a ride home, which I mean that's stranger danger number one,

but still she might've thought she was more sophisticated. A lot of times 15 year olds, well they think of themselves or they might've been very naive, 15 year old who thought that, you know, this is a nice person or he's famous or whatever. But instead of driving her home, he took her to a nearby park. Jesus. And he subsequently denied at trial having sex with the girl and maintained his

innocence. The court heard that there was quote, absolutely no prospect of Pinder resuming his sports career. Oh good. That's good. He was also likely to be arrested immediately after completing his minimum term of three years and nine months

and be extradited to Western Australia to be sentenced for committing his latest defense while on parole from before. Yeah, this is fucking grub. Apparently he forced her to perform oral sex on him. That was the yeah, of course he did. You can't have sentences but up against each other like this, man.

This is insane. This is wild. It's fucking what happens. There's there's a lot of rapists in Australia that play sports This is like the fifth one. It's so many rapists. I don't know It's I think cuz it's an island I think you feel like the king of the fucking island if you're because America's a big pot, you know There's a so many more people. There's so many more famous people like

Famous people think they're hot shit, but they also know there's a lot of other famous people. I feel like these people feel like they're like, this is almost like being a huge celebrity in Wichita or something. You know what I mean? You can rule the town and do what you want if you're a, they're all like the college basketball coach of that region in some small city somewhere where everybody kisses their ass, they have a radio show and all that bullshit. I don't know. I wonder if that's a thing. Like if near the coast, I wonder if rape is higher there.

I would think it would be lower the rate because people, it's bigger. So people might think they're less. It feels like these people just think like I can do whatever I want and bull and gong and goo or whatever the fuck it's called, I can do whatever I want and bull and gong and goo or whatever the fuck it's called. I can do anything out there. Do you think Hawaii's high? I mean, Hawaii's such a tourist center though. There's not really a rural,

there's that many, that much rural, but I bet. I don't know what they're gonna do with this guy, but. It's just, this is so much, man. I can't believe this isn't World news that he is just Beyond the lookout. Yeah, yeah follow for this guy Holy shit on every on every gymnasium in the country. Yeah, his name and fucking picture up shot August 13th 2001 he is in court on rape charges what a shocker is that right more rape charges he is accused of raping a 19 year old woman after

picking her up off the street which seems like what he does that's his job to me that's his game yeah it's he couldn't be guilty here. But the jury takes three hours to find him not guilty. Really? Pretty much anyone who comes up and says, he picked me up and raped me, I think he just put the cuffs on him and put him away at this point. Yeah, this is what he does.

It's just his deal. You know what I'm saying? It's crazy. It's like saying, you know, fucking, Vince McMahon made me work injured or something. Like, it's the same thing. We know that already. We know it happens.

So he was found not guilty of six counts of sexual intercourse without consent. I guess this was, he was accused of raping the woman in his apartment in Sydney South on September 28th last year after encouraging her to get into his car. Yeah. Wow, he's singing Billy Ocean at her and then fucking, she comes in.

I just watched this to drive last night, that's so fun. Did you? That song was in there, yeah. Yes it was, fuck yeah. A lot. That's right, cause we talked about it a while back. I watched it, it's so dumb and so fun. Oh dumb, yeah, yeah, we were like nine when we were watching it

and liking it. And it was before you knew there was problems with those boys and it was so fun. They were like icons at the time. They were like, man, I bet they get all the chicks. And really, for their age, James, great actors for how old they were. Well, I mean, Jesus Christ, Corey Feldman was acting

since he was, I saw a commercial of his on one of those old they were. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, Jesus Christ, Corey Feldman was acting since he was, I saw a commercial of his, on one of those old commercial things on YouTube, and he was maybe two, and he was in a commercial. You can see it. Corey Feldman looks exactly the same as he did when he was two. His face has not changed at all,

but he was like two at the time. He's got those fat cheeks. He was in sitcoms and shit when he was like four like he was... Haim looks into the camera delivers a line and it's fucking amazing and it's the one that they used in the trailer the A short drive an innocent girl what could go wrong and he delivers it so great He's trying to Thuris Bueller that role big time. Man, it's so sad. I miss him. Oh, so after the verdict was handed down, Pinder wiped his eyes and hugged his girlfriend,

who I guess now no more wife anymore. She's had enough. Too many rapes. So yeah, this is so many here. While on parole, he had the other one. Yeah, he said he's glad his ordeal is over. Yeah. And he goes back home to his apartment in Sydney and sits there and happy to be free

and happy to be vindicated. Finally, all these other people have been lying on me for 25 years. Finally, the jury saw it my way. Yeah. And he's sitting around and he's like, you know what? I need to make a fresh start. All what? I need to make a fresh start. All right. I need to make a fresh start. This apartment, I'm getting rid of everything.

It's got memories of accused rape in here. I'm doing it. I know exactly who to call. And he makes a call to Dexter Manley, interior designer from New York City. That's the knock. Here he comes knocking on the door. And he says... -♪ MUSIC PLAYING. -♪ How is it you've come to arrive here? Holy shit, man. You are like a mess.

Like, it's just rape and rape and more rape. So much rape, rape, rape, rape, rape. It's a lot, it's a lot. I have an idea. It's a design concept. Hear me out. It's a little aggressive, but rape, it's a lot, it's a lot. I have an idea, it's a design concept, hear me out, it's a little aggressive, but I think it's gonna be perfect for a gentleman like you, such as yourself. I'm gonna take this wall, okay?

I'm gonna make this wall a rape wall, okay? What I'm gonna do, I'm gonna put a big vagina in it, okay? One you can just stick it in whenever you want, but here's the kicker, okay? It's gonna have a sensor, all right? So when you come up to it, it says, it says no, no, no. It just keeps saying no.

It says no, no, no, and then you have to just, you stick it in anyway, and you just get all your rape energy out that way, and then you can go out in the streets, and you're all drained, and then it's gonna be one, no. Oh no, I'm sorry, nevermind the knock on the door. Let me in, Dexter! Dexter, let me in, I have a date!

I need a second for the date! I'm looking, I'm sorry, Vince, he comes up. Vince, no, no, he's not gonna be involved with you. I gave him a wall, he doesn't need to do that anymore. Let him out, come on, bring him out, there's a lady, Dana White's with me. He wants to smack the woman in public on camera and have everybody ignored and pretend it never happened and still pretend

He's not the biggest piece of shit Scumbag piece of shit fucking pile of human excrement who's ever fucking lived So let us in there so he can smack them and then we can double team this young broad I'm not letting them in Pender. You just Ignore them. Okay, ignore them You enjoy your rape wall over here and I'm over here, and I'll take care of them. And poof. Is this the one where people stop listening forever?

Why? I'm saying chicken nuggets and watermelon, you're making rape walls. Jesus Christ. That's comedy. We're not pro-rape. We're making fun of a man man because he's a rapist. I think that's...

Yeah. Neither of us meant it. If you start listening, if you stop listening because we're making fun of a rapist, that's on you. You're a bad person. I'm saying how ridiculous it is that this dude is just out walking around. Outstanding. I think this is why people listen. I think it's fantastic.

I really like listening to this shit. That's what I'm saying. So 2007, Pender has his Australian citizenship revoked. Don't need him anymore there. No longer allowed. How the fuck did it last that long? I didn't know you can get citizenship revoked I mean, that's just prison isn't it? I don't know I guess

You know, they told him listen mate, you know fucking we take five six rapes. That's fine, but seven eight rapes now You're pushing it This is too much. Yeah So following the cancellation of his Australian citizenship, which again didn't know about he was on an ex-citizen Visa that enabled him to remain in Australia, but if he leaves Australia, he can't come back As long as he stays he's good, but if he fucking steps foot off that island unless you leave voluntarily No, then you can't come back so February 4th 2013 leave voluntarily then you're not allowed back no then you can't go back so

February 4th 2013 he was named in the Perth Wildcats 30th anniversary all-star team okay I mean I guess whatever I don't know man so December 5th 2013 he is going to be extradited yeah from Sydney back to Perth to return to prison on a warrant. Oh boy Apparently here. Um, he this is for breaching parole conditions in the mid 90s when he was jailed over a series of Sex assaults. This is in 2013 now. We're doing this. He's not even on parole anymore in 2013. Now we're doing this? He's not even on parole anymore. This is weird. A spokesman for the police confirmed that he arrived in Perth and is in custody. It's understood that he will not face court and will be returned straight to prison. Just right to prison with you. Do not pass go. This is from a 1995 breach of parole, they said. Oh boy.

It is almost 20 years later. That is, I mean, I'm all for it, but. Sure. This apparently was from when he was sentenced there, what, 96 while still on parole. He was, apparently they just got around to the paperwork of like, oh, remember him? Yeah, we gotta get to.

Okay, July 28th, 2016. They're saying that this is interesting. He's now 60 years old Yeah, and they're saying that he isn't in court again here saying that he lured a young woman to his flat to show her pictures Of his Harlem Globetrotter days and raped her on a bed is that impressive? In another country, yeah. Harlem Globetrotters, it's a big deal. People know who the fuck they are. And like I said, Australia is another one of those places

where if you're famous from the outside, it's a big fucking deal. They'll enjoy you. If you come there, yeah. It's a big goddamn deal. I don't know what it is, but like, that's considered It's so removed from deal. I don't know what it is, but like that's considered. It's so removed from everything. They're so understanding about everything else in the world, they're like, we get it,

we're way over here. Yeah, we understand. Yeah. I mean, that's just, yeah, they're pretty cool about shit like that over there. So apparently, he's gonna plead not guilty. They're saying that this happened in late 1987, this rape. That's how old this is, it's like a 30 year old rape here.

Apparently, Hayar, the girl was 19 at the time, the woman who happened to this, a suppression order against his prior sexual assault convictions was lifted in the judge, a judge alone trial, I guess there's no jury here. In evidence to the court today, the complainant, the victim, expressed and explained that she met Pender at Margo's nightclub in the Parmalia Hilton Hotel

where she was celebrating her birthday with her friends. Oh, Jesus. Ugh, he bought her drinks during the night and asked her to lunch the next day. Okay, well that's not that. That seems like something a non-rapist might do. I know you're with your friends and everything, but I'd love to meet you in the daylight hours maybe.

Sure. In a safe, in a public place. That seems nice. She told the court that after picking him up from a unit in Melville, they had gone for a sandwich in Fremantle and on the way back He invited her up to his unit to look at his Carlin Globetrotter photos. No, really I did play for them Want to see there? There's the proof She claimed it was then that he tried to kiss her and when she rejected him he dragged her into a bedroom She said quote. I was really scared and I just wanted to go

she then said that he pinned her down on the bed as she struggled to get away and she said quote, it was all a big fighting drama, trying not to let it happen, trying to wriggle free when he's so big and strong. But she said he held her down until she couldn't move anymore and then took off her clothes and raped her. She said I gave up wriggling because I knew it was going to happen, I cried. That's horrifying, that's fucking horrifying. She said she drove home and thought no one would believe her if she said what had happened.

At the time, by the way, he was a big star. Yeah. He was scoring 35 points a game at the time, he's crushing it. So she didn't report the matter to the police till 2014 Pinder's lawyer questioned the dates of the alleged offense telling the court It was unusual the dates given by the prosecution and the complainant didn't match The prosecution claimed it occurred shortly after her 19th birthday between November 27th 87 and January 18th 88

But the complainant said it was not long after her 18th birthday Which would be the year before? They also disputed the suggestion that Pinder owned the Melville apartment unit at the time the complaint and said the offense occurred I mean they were saying he wasn't even there. He wasn't in that apartment at that time the prosecution detailed as propensity evidence three previous sexual assault convictions against him all pretty much same kind of MO same ages everything like that, but the Defense said that the propensity evidence did not prove Pender had ever met the complainant And it did not establish that they ever had sexual intercourse

The complaint and her father are due to give evidence later in the four-day trial Wow, that's that's a lot. So August 10th 2016 so that was what August? July 28. So this is the end of this by the way, the young woman was a model and soon ended up having a modeling career He is found not guilty. What the shit of rape rape, that's hard to prove after 30 years. That's the problem with that. It's just hard to prove. I mean they brought it.

They felt like they had something, right? In 30 years though, you don't have, I mean they had her word, but in 30 years you don't have, like I said, the dates, they'll get mixed up, and I mean, because it's 30 years. I mean it could be the most true thing in the world, and in 30 years you're not gonna have, some of your facts will be a little skewed.

That's just what it is, yeah. That's just hard, that's a hard, that's why they don't prosecute those generally, is just because there's no chance of a conviction. It's very difficult. So anyway, they say that, he said he never met the woman. The judge found that it was likely the pair had a sexual encounter.

So the judge found that, ample evidence that they did meet and they were together. So at that point I give anyone the benefit of the doubt with this guy. If you were ever alone with him he probably raped you I'm gonna say. But said that the judge said that he could not be satisfied that it involved the alleged rape. He said he did not think the woman's account was wholly fabricated quote-unquote But thought parts of her evidence were not truthful and her account was generally unreliable Wow So that's that's how that goes Pender

they said Pender didn't buy that apartment unit until October 1987 and The prosecutor argued that the woman was mistaken about the time frame and just had it a year earlier. The woman's father was an avid Wildcats fan so big fan of Pinder too. Jesus Christ told the court a person who called themselves Pinder called his house once asking for his daughter. So that's just to prove that they knew each other. To connect them there, obviously. Holy Jesus Christ. Outside the court, Pinder's friend Daniel Jackson said that Pinder was a quote, easy

target. That's why. You know. It's his MO and shit. Yeah, those MOs make it easy target. Anytime you find a chick's head in the woods in fucking Washington, maybe it's been fucked 20 times automatically. It's Ted Bundy. Okay, I get it Just not fair. This is not fair. Yeah Prejudicial if anything, it's just they don't like him

They say now we have got to move to the next phase of getting him out of prison You know because he's still in prison because it's unfair getting him out of prison, you know, because he's still in prison. Because he's, yeah, because it's unfair. So the Australian Department of Immigration and Border Protection canceled his visa in 2017. But there's processes there, you know, and in 2019 it was overturned by the Administrative Appeals

Tribunal despite an acknowledgment that Pender did not pass the character test. You know, because of all these problems he's having here. Okay. April the 20th, uh, or I'm sorry, April, 2020. He is now sentenced to some more jail. He's going to be sentenced to you, sir. Again, may fuck off 18 months in jail for stalking a woman in Sydney. Oh dude What the fuck? Why does it keep doing it? Stop? Do he's 60 something years old now?

Yeah, how hard is your dick dude like stop? How are you capable? That's what I mean go relax somewhere What the fuck calm down? Jesus Christ. Yeah get like an RV like I see in all these commercials with old people for medications They're always an RV They're never like stalking a chick in the fucking RV like hey check out this one cuz they're old Their CLP is acting up and breathe the clean air Yeah, they need Bresnia or whatever the fuck it's called They got such cool names yeah, yeah, and they all have like a classic rock song read

Repurposed for them, too. We were watching on patrol after the virtual live show and there was just all of them Oh right now. There's that commercial. It's some old guy hanging out with his grandkids I'm like when they wrote that song that is not what they had in mind an old guy in an RV with his grandkids taking medic medicine yeah that he can breathe taking medicine that helps him breathe better is that what they had in mind in the 70s that has side effects that it can fucking kill you oh yeah yeah I know it'll make your eyes pop out of your head and like your asshole bleeds fucking profusely it's horrible. They got the other one the dancing in the moonlight one with like old people on a cruise and like her eyes aren't itchy anymore so she's like dancing with her old fart husband and they're and they're there so many oh god it's so fucking funny so this one he's sentenced 18 months in jail the incident occurred when he followed a woman home from a

train station in Sydney or the Sydney suburb of Rockdale repeatedly demanding that she get into his car not quite as smooth as he used to be. I said get in. He used to be like, hey baby, you wanna ride in a nice car and I'll show you my Globetrotter pictures. Now he's like, bitch get in. Get in, there's rape in here. No.

Hey get in my glove compartment, it's full of rape. Hop in, come on. I got something to share with someone. Apparently, he repeatedly demanded, kept following her around yelling at her, basically. That doesn't work, man. No, to where she had to run away. Yeah, that didn't work when I was 20.

No, that works as well as screaming from a construction site that you got nice tits. A hard hat and boots and a tank top. It's about the same level of success I feel like. You might get one once in a while who's like, are they nice? Okay, but it's rare. It's rare.

Did he try, you should smile more? I think that's what he's next up. I said smile bitch, get in the car. I said you look better when you smile. Grumpy ass bitch, come on. So, holy shit. He ends up pleading guilty to the stalking charge. I guess the woman felt like she was in fear

of being kidnapped and assaulted and ran away and called for help and called the police. So he pleads guilty to the stalking charge. The magistrate described the offense as serious and concerning. Especially when you know this history, because you know what was gonna happen if she did get in the car.

Yeah, emphasizing that women have the right to walk in public without being followed and harassed. Yes, that's true too. Ideally, yeah, that would be good. The sentence was backdated to his arrest April 2020 So that means time served basically credit for that meaning he would have been eligible for parole around mid 2021 but he remained in custody due to additional pending charges. Oh my god Dude, this guy's a mess. How much could there be?

mess It's crazy. Oh, by the way, it comes out in 2021, that 1992 arrest that he had. He was handcuffed in the locker room of the basketball team and arrested it. They arrested him at the stadium. Yeah, I'll read this article. Mike Ellis still shakes his head

about the second half heroics of Perth Wildcats teammate Tiny Pinder while police waited courtside to arrest him during an NBL semi-final game. Just waiting on a timeout. Just waiting for the game to end I guess they're gonna let him play so the crowd doesn't lynch them and then they'll fucking if you take the star player off in the middle of a playoff game. They might get upset yeah. You could have some trouble. The Wildcats legend and former captain revealed police, he's a great leader, you want him to be a captain, yeah, revealed police were waiting in the Perth Entertainment Center locker room at halftime to arrest Pinder, but club officials and players convinced them

to let him play out the game. He's not going to rape anybody else in the third or fourth quarter, we promise. We need him. Police swooped in on Pinder and and the convicted rapist never played again perhaps the reason for his explosive second half performance Ellis said it was surreal we had some police officers there that actually walked in and handcuffed tiny we actually talked them into letting him continue the game police officers stationed themselves

around the city stadium to ensure Pender did not try to evade arrest They let him play the game and amazingly he was unbelievable in that second half Alice said yeah What the fuck he said when we played we played because we loved it. We didn't play for the money He played for the that's a forceful from the Sam lot man. Yeah, that's what I mean It's are like like Ken Burns baseball from, you know, fucking Mickey Cochran from the 20s or some shit. Battle of the Masters of Baseball. Yeah, exactly. We didn't play it for the fun of the game, the love of the game. Funny because we loved it. So August 21st, 2021, he's still in jail on

a stalking charge here. He pleaded guilty to stalking the woman near the train station. So anyway, the magistrate said the latest offending was serious and concerning and sentenced him to 15 months in prison, like we said. So July or June 11th, 2022. Okay. Okay, Cameron Venditti reveals confusion around father Kendall Tiny Pinder. So I guess this is his daughter, I suppose. For Perth social worker Cameron Venditti, growing up as one of the 12 children of disgraced wildcat star Tiny Pinder has been fraught with confusion.

Wow. As a young child raised by an amazing single mother, amazing in quotes, like the kid said it, that confusion centered around his dad's absence. Oh, it's a boy. As a teenager, when he met his dad for the first time, it involved trying to comprehend Pinder's troubled past. Wonder why he's a social worker. Yeah. Jesus. Doesn't take too far to follow that psychological connect the dots. comprehend Pinder's troubled past. Wonder why he's a social worker.

Jesus, doesn't take too far to follow that psychological connect the dots. Wow, Mr. Venditti shared his thoughts on his father and that controversial past in a new five part series, Foul Play, The Tiny Pinder Story from the West Australian. The feature features an interview with Mr. Venditti, a head of the release of the documentary In it the 27 year old says having Pinder as a father was quote an emotional rollercoaster But he decided to harness the challenges and navigating his own life and helping others

He said I've always had a place in my heart for the people that have been affected by him Having tiny Pinder as my dad has always been a very confusing feeling because you're sort of conflicted at times. It was like, is he a good man? Is he a bad man? He's a very bad man, I can answer that. Yeah.

Yeah. And I just needed to figure that out for myself. Well luckily the courts figured it out for you. Yeah they did. So you really didn't have to. You're all right. That's mighty convenient I would say. Oh, Mr. Venditti also reveals the astonishing moment That's mighty convenient I would say.

Mr. Venditti also reveals the astonishing moment at the age of 14 he discovered a half-brother he never knew existed was right in front of him. That brother, Keanu Pinder, Ulta Kumpsa has gone on to make a name for himself in the NBL. The tiny Pinder story details Pinder's rise to fame and fall from grace and also features in-depth interviews with Pinder's former teammates and coaches, giving insight into one of the most scandalous sporting sagas. Pinder was one of the team's most exciting players and developed rock star status in Perth along with fellow household names. He was very famous there.

Very famous. Let's see, that premiership was tarnished by the shocking development involving Pinder, which took place in the middle of an important final. So that's the guy talking about that. They said in the early 90s, Perth Wildcats caught the imagination of the state. They were the big team in town playing to sell out crowds. The documentary revisits the first glory days of the Cats when coach Cal Burton formed an exciting game plan to run, stun and have fun and the crowds

loved it. But hidden amongst the hype was a different reality. Jesus Christ, I would say. I mean, this, I mean, fucking a, this is a mess with this guy. He's a mess, an absolute fucking mess. And I mean, imagine how many women are out there that he actually fucked with. It's gotta be hundreds, right? It's insane, it's gotta be dozens, hundreds, and some of them he probably knew were the ones to fuck with because predators have that sixth sense too of people that they know won't tell,

they know have been damaged and they know have that. So who the fuck, I don't know, I just feel bad for him. That's terrible. I mean, I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy. I really do. But not nearly as bad as I feel. For Kendall Pinder, gaming inspector at the gaming board for the Commonwealth of the Bahamas.

Jesus Christ, what? Oh no, that's horrifying, you poor bastard. And Kendall Pinder, protection and controls, commissioning, relay, PNC, and apparatus test engineer in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida. Wow, feel bad for them. That's a lot. Holy shit, Kendall Pinder is not the... Wow. So yeah, the kids confused.

Kendall Pinder, I mean, everyone's fucking confused here. So that has... That goes May 4th, 2023. Tiny Pinder admits raping woman, allegedly seriously injuring her. He did it? That's the headline. Okay. No, there's a new rape charge now. Oh! Oh yeah. Um, he's admitted to new rape charges that allegedly left a woman in the hospital with

life-threatening injuries. He's up in his game. Oh my god. Pinder was set to face trial in New South Wales, charged with two counts of sexually assault and recklessly inflicting grievous bodily harm, but the 67 year old Instead pleaded guilty to the rape offenses during an arraignment the first offense happened in November 2009 According to court documents Pinder had allegedly forcefully penetrated the woman without her consent

Well, there's a word for that though the woman was rushed to the hospital where she had to undergo surgery and required a blood transfusion due to the large amount of blood she lost a He raped two courts out of her that's oh my god or two pints out of her that's insane Holy shit court documents described her injury at the time as serious and life-threatening the second rape happened in March 2021 when the victim was asleep. She told police she woke up to find Pinder on top of her and tried to push him off, telling him, what are you doing? She said, he's so strong. I knew I couldn't stop him, so I just let it happen because if I fought back, I would have hurt myself.

Oh boy. Jesus Christ. Afterwards, the victim told Pinder to, quote, hand yourself into the police station or I will go myself. She said Pinder had called her repeatedly after the incident until she blocked him. What the balls on this fucking guy? Wow. What the balls on this fucking guy? Wow, the woman contacted police to report the incidents in April 2021 He was arrested in June and she also had a restraining order out on him as well He's yet to plead to the grievous bodily harm charge, but this is the same woman. He raped her 12 years apart Twice he went back to the fucking well. That is

Horrifying Pender was assaulted in prison. Oh really? Yeah, look at that in 2021 and 2023 Requiring to him to have a CT and MRI scans for his injuries. In other words get his fucking head cracked in Yeah, and his already damaged fucking brain Good February 9th 2024 he apologizes to his victims during court for more rapes. Oh my God. He says that he's sorry for violently raping a woman who was left with life threatening injuries but claims it was an accident and that her account of it was not truthful.

The rape was an accident? It's an accidental, an accidental rape where he almost killed a woman. That's a fascinating approach to rape. Whoops-a-daisy? How many times have you been hanging out with a woman and the next thing you know you know you're having sex with her and she's bleeding half to death? It happens, I mean if I had a nickel for every time. I didn't mean it. Just you know I don't know what would happen. We were watching TV. I don't even know what went on. What a fucking idiot. Not truthful. Just come back. Wow. He made the remarks during his sentencing for two counts of sexual assault one of which

involved recklessly and conflict and grievous bodily harm. First rape happened in 2009 like we said and then 2021. In her victim statement read out during the sentencing hearing, the woman said she thought she was not going to survive the first attack. Quote, I was worried I might die and then who would take care of my children, she said. I thought my children will be okay growing up without a mother?

Question mark. My body was shaking, I felt cold and my mind drifting away. She described the feeling of being controlled and gaslit by Pender before coming forward She says Christ that she said I felt used ashamed and I blame myself That's that's the victim that sucks now. I can see everything that happened to me was wrong. Now I've been heard and people around me believe me and I feel brave and able to speak up. The court heard that she suffered from PTSD, depression, has issues trusting men and felt

unsafe alone in public, especially at night. Yeah, all those things very understandable. He said during his sentencing,inder said quote, I'm very sorry for the hurt and stress I caused her. Stress is a choice of words. That's a way to put it. I'm sorry. I destroyed her psyche hurt and stress is that not the euphemism for that. He also reflected on his past offending and said, I'm sorry for the hurt I caused to all those ladies. I made some stupid mistakes. And here's the understatement of the year behaved inappropriately. I was so inappropriate. Inappropriately inappropriately is when you're

drinking with your friends and you tell your friend, because you've had one too many, your wife has great tits, that's inappropriate. Is it inappropriate to say, if you break up with your girl, is it bad if I try to fuck her? Is he mind? That's inappropriate. If you try to rape her in the bathroom, that goes well beyond inappropriate.

A little more than inappropriate. Way past inappropriate. Wow. Into crazy land. Wow. The prosecutor questioned the sincerity of the apologies and asked, and actually put it to Pinder, said that referring to rape as a mistake was minimizing the seriousness of the offenses.

And Pinder said, I'm not minimizing anything. I was always sorry for what I've done There was no malice for me to hurt the victim at all. It was an accident. Okay, that's worse I just said you were minimizing you said no, I'm not and then minimized it further No, I'm not I'm just saying it was an accident. That's all. Wow. The prosecutor went on to detail the agreed statement of fact of the 2009 rape, which included the woman saying no, trying to crawl away, and Pinder pulling her back by her legs. Pinder said, quote, that's not true. That's not what she said.

Okay. Your sentence is going up and up and up every time you speak asshole if I'm the judge. I am just until I hit the max I'm just gonna keep talking. Keep talking dickhead. When the prosecutor put to Pinder that he hadn't made mistakes but raped multiple women repeatedly, the judge interjected with quote, that's not very helpful. We know that Pinder said he would seek counseling. It was an accident. Talking to people about it and that he would quote, not make that mistake again, you know, of confusing whether he had consent to attack a woman or not.

As he's going to seek higher life, he's almost 70 years old and he's still doing this. Here's your counseling now. We take you out back to the court and then they fucking out back there and put a bullet in your fucking head. That's your counseling. Hey look. You don't know how to not do this.

Hey the counseling worked. You won't do it anymore. And I don't even like the death penalty. I'm just saying this guy's like 70, he won't stop raping and he calls it a mistake. I'm tired of this shit, fuck him. We're gonna feed you to the koalas, we've had it. So he admitted that he has already received extensive

counseling for sexual offending previously, but insisted further counseling would prevent him from reoffending. I'm good now, is what he said. They said that the client had recently undergone a psychiatric assessment and a doctor had deemed him as having the quote, cognitive capacity of a 14 year old boy.

Which is true, because he has a massive head injury. But even 14 year olds, you can teach them not to rape. That's the thing. Yeah, I don't think I, 14. They don't rape as much as adults, 14 year olds. I mean, I knew that, I knew that you didn't do that No, you knew you know you were just hoping a girl would let you feel her boobs nevermind Yeah, yeah, see him forget him just feel him over a shirt and bra for fuck's sake would have been

Like to just see oh you show me I'm looking Yeah, let's let's take a look at that so I'm looking god damn. I love them. Yeah. Yeah, let's let's take a look at that. So Holy fucking shit and also that they said that he suffered violence as a child and he was assaulted in prison and Two different times and you know the guys suffered enough basically. Yeah Holy shit, that is fucking wild So while being cross-examined by the prosecutor Pinder admitted He pled guilty to the stalking offense by a way of convenience the last one that he admitted to He rejected the agreed statement of facts of that matter which included repeatedly telling the woman to get into his car and followed her So he said I didn't even do it. I just said I just admit he has learned nothing nothing

Nothing single thing. He said quote. I didn't do anything wrong. That was a bunch of crap I didn't do anything wrong. That was a bunch of crap. That is Wildly his Australian visa was recancelled again in February 2024 Probably for saying that shit by the immigration minister raising the possibility of deportation upon release March 20th 2024 2024. Here he is here. And the judge now says that he quote, hasn't learned his lesson, despite the fact that he's spent a lot of time in prison and had all this happen. And he is sentenced to, here we go.

You sir may fuck off eight years in prison. That'll do. That's a good good not enough, but for an old guy It's not too too bad here and having his visa canceled as well But he did avoid the maximum sentence and with his jail term backdated the earliest possible release date would be October 2026 which is not very far ahead in the in the in the future here Holy shit, that's wild. I guess they talk about the judge, cited his impaired cognitive function

as a special circumstance in sentencing. They said the offender's cognitive behavior serves to explain repeated similar convictions, but it doesn't excuse it. They said, yes, frontal lobe's all fucked up. His lawyer said, yeah, he's got a cognitive ability of a 14-year-old. The brain impairment is associated with poor judgment and decision making and likely accounting for his failure to learn for previous sexual offending.

That's what the lawyer said. The court heard that it was a long-standing problem from the glass window when he was 12 and all that kind of shit. And they said, that doesn't matter. In sentencing, he said it was an accident, but that he was ashamed. He's still stuck with that and took full responsibility for his actions, even though they're an accident.

Is it? It's not a window, man. It's somebody's fucking integrity, you son of a bitch. And dignity, not integrity. Yeah, fucking their life. The prosecutor made eye contact with Pinder and said, one only needs to delve a millimeter beneath the surface level to see his apologies are hollow.

Yes, he even told the court, even though the interaction started out as a consensual matter, the objective seriousness of the offense was not diminished and that no means no. He said it's not a green or amber light to do what he did to the victim when there was a clear and ambiguous lack of consent. He also pleaded guilty to the second rape in 2021.

The maximum penalty would have been 20 years in prison with a 10-year non-parole period. But he didn't get that. Wow, apparently he didn't get that Wow apparently he didn't make that much money no not really Nope, he made about a million dollars in the NBL Over the course so bad. That's pretty now, but over 15 years. It was yeah So anyway can't get enough of this idiot well

You can get the socks, but I love hearing about him. Oh, he's a mess you can get the 1978 press photo Kendall Pinder, North Carolina State so it's his NC State You know headshot basically 25 bucks and $5 shipping. Holy shit. It's expensive and also a 1975 press photo high school player And also a 1975 press photo high school player of him jumping up and getting a rebound here. 25 bucks plus five dollars shipping, same seller there. So there you go everybody, that is Kendall Pinder and a god damn mess of a person.

He's in prison for at least two years. At least a couple more years. No, another year. October 2026, a year and a half, he's got at least another year and a half. But that's not enough. No. He's gonna come out and do it again.

Till his dick falls off from age, he's gonna keep doing it. Yeah, I don't think that it's gonna stop even when it doesn't work anymore. I think he's still a problem. I think he likes the domination of the whole thing. So anyway, there you go. If you like that story, holy shit.

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Well we love you back Catherine, thank you so much. Anne Marie Fitzgerald, Judy Anderson, Brittany Robertson, and Gary Howard. Thank you all so much for doing this with us. Thank you, Gary. Thank you, guys. It's great to have you. Other producers this week. Ryan Dempsey, Liz Vasquez, Peyton Meadows,

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There was a guy in high school that I went to school with James, his name was Jimmy Crisman, and I wasette Crisman. Crisman. Okay. There was a guy in high school that I went to school with, his name was Jimmy Crisman, and I was Jimmy Wisman, and it was the most annoying fucking thing on the planet. I hate him, but he lived real crazy, so he would like do, and they're like, I heard about this you did, and I was like, what? I was like, how would you know that?

What the hell are you talking about? Then I just owned it after a little while. Yeah, just started. Just take his stories. Living his life. Fuck him, just started living his life. Fuck him. I'm living his life, why not? More interesting than mine.

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