Crime in Sports - #462 - Exiled & Almost Executed - Eamonn "The Terminator" Magee - Part 3

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

This week, we continue this epic tale, with Eamonn getting serious... About drugs, drinking, fighting, and avoiding being beaten to death by the army. He wades his way through scams, and sche...mes, doing everything but becoming a successful boxer, until he finally buckles down, and turns pro. This will quickly score dividends, when he becomes a champion, but that doesn't mean he's done being a menace to society!!Blow your chance at being the top amateur boxer around, have your wife save your life, when the RA comes looking to take you out, and continue to commit acts of stupidity, while becoming a champion with Eamonn "The Terminator" Magee!!Check us out, every Tuesday!We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman Donate at... patreon.com/crimeinsports or with paypal.com using our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com Get all the CIS & STM merch at crimeinsports.threadless.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things CIS & STM!!  Contact us on... twitter.com/crimeinsports crimeinsports@gmail.com facebook.com/Crimeinsports instagram.com/smalltownmurderSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:02:42 you're gonna get everything. First of all, hundreds of back episodes to binge on as soon as You subscribe and then new ones every other week one crime and sports one small-town murder. What do they get you get all? This week what we're gonna do for crime and sports we're gonna talk about soccer riots some of the craziest soccer riots that have happened because Like the Knicks won a series and you you know, the people were doing crazy shit. That's nothing compared to a soccer night. Did they do any damage?
Starting point is 00:03:09 It seemed like it was pretty happy, right? A little bit. It was a happy one, yeah. I saw them chasing a Pacers fan down the street. That was pretty funny. But yeah, it gets crazy. So we're gonna hear about death and destruction and stadiums collapsing and all sorts of shit.
Starting point is 00:03:21 So that's a lot of fun. And then for Small Town Murder, we are going to go into the murderer from last week's episode. We're gonna go into his blog, which is insane, where he defends all the stuff he does, and he's like, I don't understand why I'm such a bad guy. I don't know, you're a pedophile and a murderer,
Starting point is 00:03:37 that's part of the reason. It's wild stuff, and you're gonna wanna hear that. So definitely check that out. That is, no, that is patreon.com Slash crime in sports and you get a shout out you bet show as well Jimmy I'll fuck your name all of my best you worry about that so that said let's do it here I write in here because we got a lot of amen here. I'm still mad I mispronounced his name for two and a half hours in the first episode So forgive us we're gonna start out here at the 1993 World
Starting point is 00:04:05 Amateur Championships mm-hmm okay he did he did a good job he won a beat somebody's ass in Denmark here at one point and then they go to Finland and when they're in Finland there's a party at the hotel yeah as you do everybody's party and they're all drain Eam even is the one hosting it of course Okay, if there's gonna be drunken debauchery, it's gonna be in the name of in my man's room here Yeah for sure. So he's hosting a party. Yeah, and one of the heavyweights Yeah comes in he's a Russian guy and he's a heavyweight so much bigger than a man here He's a you know, 200 pound guy
Starting point is 00:04:42 He comes in shit-faced and he starts You know talking shit to people and messing with people and you know all that kind of crap so Apparently Ayman didn't take kindly to this and the guy didn't even speak English So I didn't even know what the hell he was talking about the Russian He could have been complimenting everybody everything in Russian sounds mean You know I've only heard it spoken a few times and every time I'm scared. It's always, it feels like it's vodka soaked and fueled and mean. So it's, I could understand somebody thinking he was talking shit.
Starting point is 00:05:14 He could have been just complimenting him on his room. We have no goddamn idea, but. It sounds like I'm hungry and it's your fault. And it's your fault, so I'm going to eat your leg. So Eamon didn't decide that he had about enough of it and knocked him out. Fought him right there and just drilled him. Punched him and knocked his ass out.
Starting point is 00:05:31 This is a much bigger man than him. And then dragged him out of the room, unconscious, into the hallway. Left him there. Left him there, just closed the door. That was that. The next morning, he goes to go to the elevator, Eamon opens the elevator, and it's the Russian guy with two Finnish police officers.
Starting point is 00:05:48 What were they looking for? Looking for Aiman. But luckily the Russian was too drunk to remember who knocked him out. So Aiman walked right by him and he didn't even acknowledge it. Plus I don't even know if it was that or if he saw how small he was and was like, I can't tell everybody this guy knocked me out, that's crazy. You certainly can't tell police. I can't this will be in like the newspaper that this guy beat my ass I'll now it's on a podcast either way though. So that's pretty funny though, but Aiman is still just he's drinking He's drugging he's you know, he's winning They say he's away at boxing tournaments and he would go out in search of drugs wherever country he was in which is a dangerous thing to do in separate countries
Starting point is 00:06:28 He ends up on the US trip. He is in Hell's Kitchen Yeah, after taking advice from some people of where to go buy drugs. That's yeah, and certainly the right move Didn't know where he was going didn't know what he and this is the early 90s when New York was still pretty goddamn dangerous Yeah, you know so wandering into places looking for drugs wasn't the wisest thing for some foreigner to do because they see a foreigner they hear an accent you're getting rolled motherfucker that's all there is to it I don't care they don't know if you're a boxer they have no idea plus they'll probably put a gun on you so it doesn't matter if you can punch yeah at that point so he
Starting point is 00:07:02 does that and he ends up there And you know get drugs. Oh, of course you did. Yeah, you'll give you will find drugs eventually. That's one thing But he ended up striking his friendship with a like-minded fighter fighter here Who this guy would arrive with his own drugs? Oh, so amen would buy him from him and very helpful. Yeah, very helpful. Jesus that middleman No, I don't have to go searching through the streets in the middle of the night. Yeah, April of 1993 Amen, jr. Is born here. We go. He is born April 93, but that doesn't matter You think even is gonna slow down for this? I don't think so. He's already got kids. Yeah his dad at this time, too Is gonna have to get in some trouble here this time too is gonna have to get in some trouble here.
Starting point is 00:07:48 Also, Eamon is gonna be in trouble also. Yeah, he ends up getting a two year suspended sentence for common assault this time. Apparently he beat the shit out of an old school person that he knew. Oh, a guy from, how'd the grudge that long? Primary school, we're talking elementary school. He's like, oh there's that motherfucker. I'm gonna beat his ass.
Starting point is 00:08:08 You booger eater, come here. So one night behind the Shamrock, which is the bar they hang out at, Ayman said he thought it was a fair fight. He said they had a beef going for 15 years now and they were gonna settle it. It's legal. The other guy I don't think quite...
Starting point is 00:08:21 Didn't want to have to be part of this? No, no. He's not holding the grudge, he's forgotten? Well I think maybe he wanted to fight until he got hit a couple of times and was like I don't think I want to fight anymore. Well also if you run into somebody who you had beef with in elementary school
Starting point is 00:08:35 and now they're a professional boxer or a highly touted amateur boxer, maybe he's trying to shake hands at that point. You might be like boy was I a dick to you or what? I'm so sorry. What are we fucking doing? And then in November of 93, he gets pulled over by police for speeding erratically down Crumlin Road.
Starting point is 00:08:53 He's high as shit and refused to provide the arresting officers with a urine specimen or a blood specimen or any way to prove how fucked up he was. So that's not great. He does that. Jesus Christ. urine specimen, blood specimen, or any way to prove how fucked up he was. Sure. So that's not great. He does that. Jesus Christ. He also gets in that as well.
Starting point is 00:09:11 He's resisted the police, so that's another resisting arrest charge. And a lot of bad driving. He's a bad driver. Driving with no license, driving with no insurance, driving with no lights. What? Just fuck them. Turn those on. No, too drunk. There are cops that just look for that.
Starting point is 00:09:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's like the first signal that. That's the drunk person, they don't see it. That guy doesn't know his lights aren't on. What a moron. They don't have the normal, it's dark, I turn the car on, I flick the headlights on. Their brain isn't doing that.
Starting point is 00:09:38 They have to tell their brain everything to do. They're going, hold the wheel, that's all. That's it. Jesus, so he's got that also Obstructing the police providing a false name and address. This is all in this year. Wow. He's just a disaster Just so many fucking arrests tons of fines and all sorts of shit like that really crazy he
Starting point is 00:09:59 Still then after that he still didn't have a driver's license And he got in a car accident sure, but it wasn't an accident really no no he claims that he Deliberately crashed into a wall on Rosa Pena Street in frustration After being yelled at by his wife Yeah So we've taken a car and just ran we've all considered it. We've all wanted to, but this guy actually, we've never been drunk enough or high enough to actually be like, I'm running the car in the fucking wall, fucking I can't take it anymore. So that's pretty fucking,
Starting point is 00:10:35 that's interesting. So that's the, that's the kind of the first real legal trouble he's getting into is mainly driving issues. That snow which is shit. It could be helped. That's the thing. It doesn't make sense He called it quote just doing fines Finds not doing fine not doing fine. Yeah, just doing fines. Just paying them off. That's how he said it he I guess would do a Basically, they tell him like you could pay a $300 fine or pound or whatever the hell it is or you can do a week in jail and he'd go give me the jail fuck it. Yeah, save me some money. Yeah save me some dough here. I was just trying for seven days and get out.
Starting point is 00:11:14 So that's what he did yeah everybody's not afraid of anybody in there or anything like that he's a psychopath so that's fun and so yeah he ends up doing that and it's a the jail he's in is built, a jail that was built in the 1840s. Wow. Which is not nice. Drafty. That's, I would say so.
Starting point is 00:11:31 Bad weather in there. Not made for modern sized people or anything like that here. It was two people in a cramped cell, really shitty food. They had only an hour of outdoor social time per day and Yeah, it was it was jail. It was like a Victorian. Yeah, you know era whatever the hell here, so During this here. They said he would only once in a while pop in on Mary and the kids oh Yeah, that's all and he's doing his fines. Well. Yeah, she doesn't she never knows if he's in jail if he's out drunk if he's on a tour
Starting point is 00:12:07 She has no idea where the hell this guy is at the time He would just party all night and then you know find some find some chick to hook up with Imagine finding a wife so understanding. I don't know if it's understanding or just Fucking just haggard and and just you know what I mean? She's giving up already, like I don't know anymore. She's just, he's beat this poor woman into the fucking ground, it feels like. So when he would get home, he would be shit-faced and either that or he'd be on ecstasy.
Starting point is 00:12:37 Yeah? Yeah. Is that his jam? He loves ecstasy. Loves drinking and ecstasy. They said he would stare at the television until The Hitman and Her came on. that's a show I don't know some Irish show or English show or something then they said he'd bounce around like a mad
Starting point is 00:12:52 man that's got him all jacked up yeah on ecstasy he'd be on ecstasy and doing that Mary I started to wish you would just stay away basically yeah it's you know yeah this is not helping. You're not helping any. No. So obviously, your boxing cannot survive. Talent can take you so far. Sure.
Starting point is 00:13:13 But when other guys are waking up at 4 a.m. and running, and you're not even going to sleep till 7 a.m. because you're on fucking ecstasy, that's gonna catch up with you after a while. You know, once you get into your 20s and all that, it's gonna. Yeah, and eventually they're gonna out train you and now you are obsolete. When you're 18 you can pull that shit off, no problem.
Starting point is 00:13:29 But when you're, what's he now, like 25 or some shit? That's starting to get into the hard times here. There was a Georgian here, a guy from Georgia, the country, not the state here, and he beat him in a preliminary stage bout at the European Championships in Turkey. So then he returned to training for the 94 Ulster senior championships, but didn't really do the same shit.
Starting point is 00:13:58 Yeah, he's still doing crazy stuff and it's not doing that. Not doing anything good for him, but it's that way. He's having a problem problem robin himself. Yeah So he loses a fight in this 94 Ulster final here. I guess the the guy who beat him You know he beat him pretty good really and like after the fight. It was a it was a decision No, he wasn't bitching his manager wasn't bitching Patsy, nobody was bitching. Everything was fine here. But about a half hour later,
Starting point is 00:14:28 he said that, this is from the book, Patrick McGee, who was his brother, found his brother sitting on the ground with his head in his hands in a dark, empty corridor of Ulster Hall. He said that, you know, you could tell he was crying. He was sitting there crying. And he said he just, the brother basically said
Starting point is 00:14:45 he looked like a shadow of himself out there getting knocked around by some guy that he should beat easily. It's one of those things. And he said, are you all right? And Eamon said, no. And not at all. He said, what the fuck was that out there?
Starting point is 00:15:00 But he said that, Eamon said that. And you know, what's he gonna say? You're an idiot. I don't know, and answer yourself. It's called you fucking up, is he said that, Eamon said that. And what's he gonna say? You're an idiot. I don't know, answer yourself. It's called you fucking up is what that is, I think, there. So he told him, he said you should've gone, in his head he's thinking he should've gone
Starting point is 00:15:15 to the Olympics, he could've done all this stuff. And it's interesting. So Patsy, the manager, called him a week later. And he said the Ulster Council has called you for a box-off between you and this other guy to see who goes to the Commonwealth Game so he's gonna get another chance, which is great You would imagine yeah, but not according to Eamon his response was quote fuck off He said he won he's the Ulster champion, he goes. And Patty said, I thought you'd say that.
Starting point is 00:15:49 He said, I'll bring you around, I'll be around to pick you up tomorrow morning. I've lined up some sparring for you across town so we can make sure we're ready for the All-Irelands. So they said the next day, Patsey was met at the door, not by Eamon, but by one of Eamon's drunken friends. Oh? That's who knocked, that's when he came to pick him up to do work, that's what he got but by one of Ayman's drunken friends. Oh? That's who knocked, that's when he came to pick him up
Starting point is 00:16:06 to do work, that's what he got. Drunk guy. He's like, that's not great. Yeah, they invited him in, and he said Ayman's getting ready and would be down in a minute. So the guy said, can I get you a glass of water, mister? That's what the drunk guy said. He was like, that's really weird.
Starting point is 00:16:23 Interesting. Patty said, or Patsy said said I'm not a fucking invalid. I know where the bloody taps are I'll get it myself Alright, sorry Jesus Christ. Okay. Wow try that next time you're in a restaurant Look, I got you guys anything drink. I know Yeah, don't worry about me. I'll get them. How dare you? Just be pissed off. I'll get it. Hey fucker. Yeah, no, I'm not a fucking invalid. I Can get it? Yeah so he got up walked to the kitchen he pushed the door open and
Starting point is 00:16:56 Court he heard empty beer cans scraping across the floor into the kitchen and he's like, oh no They're just on the floor on the floor everywhere. Also on the floor is amen. Ah He said he's about half conscience unconscious about half conscious and lying amongst the beer cans on the floor They were just throwing down. He didn't care So Patsy said that's it. We're through he's done. I'm not helping you. I'm not helping you anymore. You're not helping yourself I'm not gonna help you. So yeah, that's it. You gotta want it. You gotta want to be a part of it. That's the end of his amateur career
Starting point is 00:17:28 because he's got nothing more to do. Now he's gonna be a pro. Oh really? That's all he can do. Nothing, can't fucking do anything else. So he's gonna be a pro and he's pretty fucked here for a while though. Sure.
Starting point is 00:17:41 He doesn't know what to do. So he just drinks and drugs more because he has less places to be now. So that's nice. Yeah, he's got three kids and a wife and all this shit and it doesn't matter. Like he's a disaster. He's like a 40 year old washed up fighter.
Starting point is 00:17:55 Jesus. Yeah, and he's like 23. So it's a little messed up. So he ends up walking away from all of this at the time here. His dad is also having a hard time as well. So, yeah, the whole family is, I imagine, is a mess here. So they said that, this is from the author of this book,
Starting point is 00:18:19 Patsy's is the only house I ever entered with Eamon in which he didn't either carry his own beer or immediately ask for one from the host before we had a chance to sit down. He knows Patz is not playing that shit. He said when Patz talks, whatever he says, Ayman listens and at the very least feigns attention. He's hesitant to interrupt his old coach and flow to the point that the shake in his hand from the lack of fresh alcohol must begin before he contemplates making excuses
Starting point is 00:18:46 and going out to chase down drink. He's gotta go full DTs before he's like, I gotta get outta here, Patsy. I gotta go. Patsy, there's water somewhere, I'm gonna go get it. I'm gonna go do that here. So, yeah, the boxing, this is not, he was supposed to, the plan was for him
Starting point is 00:19:00 to win the Irish senior title this year, and it just doesn't happen for him. And so the way he looks at it, he should have been a dozen fights into his professional career by now. But you know, he's a mess, so that's probably not gonna happen. He gets the DTs still.
Starting point is 00:19:15 He still gets the DTs. He's very addicted still. He's not the type of guy who's gonna go get a nine to five. No. This guy is not gonna be like. That's gonna be a terrible employee. Oh my God, he's gonna show up at fucking 8.45 to be like. That's going to be a terrible employee. Oh my God. He's going to show up at fucking 845 to punch in.
Starting point is 00:19:28 Shaking. Sit there with, business casual. Just imagine dude in dockers and a polo shirt checking in at 845, going to lunch at noon, actually coming back from lunch sober. An Oxford white and a clip on. Some loafers. While he shakes. I don't see it. Just shaking at the table. I don't see it just shaking at the table
Starting point is 00:19:45 I don't see that so that's the thing and now he's just I mean, he's got beer He's ecstasy is a big deal for him. Wow. He takes ecstasy way more than most people do. That's the fucking problem Ecstasy is one of those things that you don't like you don't do it every day. No, it's like acid Yeah, like I know people do ecstasy a little bit more, but like acid, you can't, it's exhausting. You can't do it every day. If you did it every day, you'd be dead in six months, probably, you'd just be a disaster.
Starting point is 00:20:14 So it's really difficult, but ecstasy's kind of a similar thing. You shouldn't be doing that every day. That's not good for you. And well, mixing it with booze too. That's not good for you and well mixing it with booze too So still I I had a theory a long time ago that binge ecstasy usage is
Starting point is 00:20:37 Direct correlation with binge alcohol usage. I think oh, yeah, I think they go hand in hand well alcoholics seek out Yeah, binging other than shit. Yeah, and I think people that binge I bet there's not a person on this planet that only takes ecstasy. No, probably not. I think that's, well, it's not something you start out with. Yeah, it's a coupling drug. Yeah, it's not something. You use that with something else. It's usually not the first thing you take, either. And it's a party drug, so it's,
Starting point is 00:20:56 booze goes right along with it. Absolutely, and the people who drink a lot are the most likely to really like that shit, too. Binge drinkers love that shit. They love it a lot, because it helps you drink more. Yeah. It's usually half speed. And then it feels really, everything feels nice.
Starting point is 00:21:10 Yeah, but that's what I don't get too, it's just like half speed. There's other shit in it too, but like, it's mixed, it's all junky and just fucking, it's half speed. Oh, it's all manmade garbage. It's all crunchy, gross shit. A lot of it now is just like speed mixed with fucking heroin and shit. Garbage is speed balls basically, some's all crunchy, gross shit. A lot of it now is just like speed mixed with fucking
Starting point is 00:21:25 heroin and shit, it's garbage, speed balls basically, some of it, yeah. I'm good. I don't like anything in a pill, because I don't know what the fuck's in that. Yeah. I'm doing that. It's seaweed, I can see the butt, I see what's in there.
Starting point is 00:21:36 I know what I'm doing, like I don't like anything that I don't know what's in there. And now, fuck, the amount of work they've done. It's crazy, you know exactly, you look at the label. Yeah, oh now you can tell exactly how much THC is in it, exactly the terpenes and this and that's a totally different thing. The label tells you whether or not you can handle it.
Starting point is 00:21:54 There's no label for ecstasy. I can't just have some guy hand me something in a parking lot and I'm like, yeah, that's good. 15. I'm gonna put that in my body, that sounds good. I don't like that shit, that's why I've never liked anything that's like pills, powders, anything of that nature. I don't blame you.
Starting point is 00:22:07 No good. So the closest that Amon's ever had to a job was being a bouncer. Oh. So. Pretty good gig for him, though. Not bad, but I mean, that's the closest thing. I don't even think he could handle that at this point.
Starting point is 00:22:21 I mean, he started at 16 bouncing. and they paid him 40 quid a night Yeah, which was good for a teenager in 1987, but now he's an adult with a family to fucking feed So it's a little bit different here and by the mid 90s It's not like the bouncers were making a whole lot more than that. No, it's not necessarily a career job. Yeah That's something to bridge the gap between employment. I would say so. Once in a while though he would do security for places basically. One night he's working in the Thompson's Garage Club next to City Hall and the owner of a
Starting point is 00:23:01 nearby clothing store offered to double his wages if he did security for a private all-night party Going on above the closing clothing shop. Yeah, these people love to party. How big is this guy? Amen. Yeah, he's not big at all. He's Say how they know who he is. Oh god. He's like he's famous in the area So I mean if you want somebody to knock somebody the fuck out Yeah, he might be losing to you you know, in the finals or whatever, but he could be drunk on ecstasy and knock a regular guy out. No problem. I mean, he's not losing to Liam the banker. No,
Starting point is 00:23:32 he could have a pint in one hand and knock you out. Like he's no, he's, nobody named Liam who doesn't have any boxing experience is going to kick this guy's ass. That's some guy named Connor that operates a boat. Not happening. So he decides that he would do it. He accepted the offer. And he also, Jesus Christ, said, well, I'm going to up my pay a little bit.
Starting point is 00:23:53 There's garbage cans outside. So what I'll do is I will take a bunch of this shit from the store and put it in the garbage cans outside. So that way, I won't know. No one will know what I'm doing. He even tried to steal the device to remove the ink cans outside. So that way I won't know, no one will know what I'm doing. He even tried to steal the device to remove the ink security tags. Smart move.
Starting point is 00:24:10 Do you need that? It's just a magnet, bud. Yeah, it's not that hard. It's not a lot of technology. No, it really isn't. No, it's not some special tool that isn't made. So another time here, East Belfast's Ray Close was fighting his rematch with the World Boxing Organization
Starting point is 00:24:27 the WBO super middleweight champion Chris Eubank and Close this guy stopped Terry McGee in seven rounds for the Irish title in 91 and had somewhat Basically, he's been he's been doing pretty well here. So Basically, he's been he's been doing pretty well here. So This guy they arranged secure the security for the event and on somebody's recommendation hired McGee So he's working the door here of a like a boxing match. Basically, he's so he's taking bounce right a boxing He's taking the tickets. Oh god. Yeah, and keeping people out or whatever So basically if anybody showed up without a ticket. He'd say well I'll let you in for a discount if you just give me the money
Starting point is 00:25:10 Okay, so you had a whole separate racket going on so anybody knew the walk-up sales rather than selling them a ticket He's in mind you won't have a physical ticket. You want a physical, but I'll let you in the door Yeah, so there's that a seat so he made over 300 pounds extra that night charging people and stealing the money nice So obviously he's you know fucking mess here, so Jesus this guy is a goddamn disaster when a friend introduced him to a total unknown person Who was looking for two kilos of hash one morning? Yeah? Amon said no bother mate. I got you got you covered So meet me this afternoon at two o'clock and at Morrisons Morrisons is a bar sure so yeah
Starting point is 00:25:50 He said alright. Let's let's do this shit so on his way back from the gym He bought 16 bars of lifeboy soap in the local pound stretcher. Just like a dollar store I think or whatever you know yeah discount store pound stretcher Yeah, where you get all that you can for yeah, or your that's a porn star's name We've got a giant dick on the pound stretcher. It weighs five pounds, and it'll stretch it a real hammer watch out. Yeah, so He basically shaved some off the sides and wrapped exactly two kilos worth of the cleaning product and brown paper Oh for heaven's sake and he said if this if this clown wants soap bar I'll give him fucking soap bar because he asked for soap bar hash, which I don't know what the fuck that is
Starting point is 00:26:35 90 shit or what but When they made the exchange under the table the guy meant the guy motioned as if he was about to check it out He said don't do that in here He said not here mate He said go through the go through the Super Bowl and into the car park if you want to take a look get out of here Yeah, so he left out through the bowling alley, which is the Super Bowl the actual Super Bowl and Amen walked out the other way As fast as he can that's it. Yep
Starting point is 00:27:03 And when the guy came back to him and said, what the fuck? What is this? He said, you asked for soap and that's what you got. Now, fuck off. What are you going to do about it? Basically? Yeah. Um, yeah, one of his favorite scams to do was to get somebody into a bar or club, quickly flash a fake police badge And declare himself an undercover drug squad officer and then invite the somebody knew I drugs and then take him outside to search him All right, so he knew what the fuck he was doing. Yeah, take the drugs and go sell it Yeah, so he would just take it. Yeah and be like, I'm gonna let you off with a warning Yeah, you get out of here and they were the guy would be thrilled to that's what Omar should have to get off with shit
Starting point is 00:27:48 I'm a cop with the scar scar and a shotgun Trench coat my trench coat. How you doing? Baltimore PD hold on hold on. Let me grab it Let me fondle my boyfriend's balls for a while too well and that it not the cops can't be gave up said It's you know, I don't know if he's the most very Yeah, I think he's better off just the shotgun. That's yeah, it might be easier So he ended up at one point here One guy ran from him. Yeah, and threw two bags from his Even better don't even have to search this guy. I don't have to pretend to be perfect
Starting point is 00:28:20 He got 300 ecstasy tablets from that. Oh shit. I threw 300 ecstasy tablets That's his best day. Fuck yeah Another time there's a rave at Mays Field Leisure Center and Eamon learned that there was a big demand and no supply for ecstasy Yeah, so he went to the nearest shop and cleaned them out of anodin painkillers. Oh boy. He then sat around the corner and sucked each tablet smooth until the A had disappeared for anodin. This is like if you have an Advil, like it says Advil on it, you'd have to get that off of there.
Starting point is 00:28:57 Suck that brown candy coating off the Advil. Why are these wet? They're fresh. Don't worry about it. Why are they stuck together? These are like used Skittles. What did you bring me? They're fresh. Don't worry about it. These are like used Skittles. What did you bring me? They're super new. What is happening now? Yeah, they just came off the, out of the fucking. Out of the press, the, right out of the oven.
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Starting point is 00:31:01 For ass friend. My favorite part is though, he told everybody that these are really good I guarantee you you won't have a headache when you're done which is hilarious very hilarious even if you have one now you won't when you're done put it that way sucked them smooth Oh my god this is fucking amazing gross So guess what the IRA is looking for him again. I imagine that he's got yeah They're still in control of the area so they pay a visit to him Escorting him out of his grandma's house
Starting point is 00:31:36 Jesus Christ He tried to he laughed. He was like this is crazy. He goes. They're just headache tablets. We talking about What do you want? Yeah? Yeah, he said I was. I just sold them over price. He said I was ripping off some teenagers who should have known better. Give me a fucking break. But that's still illegal.
Starting point is 00:31:52 Borderline at this time. Because there's really no law. Whatever the IRA decides is illegal at the time kind of thing. They don't really have things like that. But he's already been on the radar for drug dealing, so they don't really like him anyway for that Not good. He also came across a guy named Sean Dunlap lying in an alleyway in our doing and he Dunlap I guess was persistently joyriding and
Starting point is 00:32:18 Had the IRA beat him about the knees and elbows with bats hammers and metal bars Jesus To make sure he's not gonna be joyriding joyriding yeah there won't be any joy in it if he's riding I'll tell you that much is that is joyriding car theft or is it just driving around in your own not in your own No, that's just driving around. That's reckless driving. That's just too much. Yeah enjoy riding I think you have to steal somebody shit for that yeah, so that's that's what he did Now amen ran from bar to bar asking to use the phone to call an ambulance, but all of the bars had been pre-warned by the IRA not to let him, yeah, not to let him call.
Starting point is 00:32:55 Give him nothing. Yeah, let this guy fucking lay in a heap in the alley instead. So the other thing is fruit machines. Yeah. Okay, now, fruit machines, over here you go, what the fuck's a fruit machine? What is that?
Starting point is 00:33:09 And I didn't know what it was, and I wouldn't know what it was in life if it wasn't for The Inbetweeners. Is it a new show? Do you remember when, God, they went out, I think it was like one of the first episodes. Yeah. I think it was maybe the first episode
Starting point is 00:33:20 when they were going out to the pub to like, you you know for the beginning of school celebration or whatever and the Neal's dad said here's 20 pounds or whatever because you know don't play the fruities and he goes he goes I can't promise nothing and then he gets to the bar goes right to it and the fruity it's like a fruit machine it's like a slot machine type of deal it looks like. Yeah, it says instead, it's exactly what it is.
Starting point is 00:33:49 So they said that that's what he's got now. So he would empty the slots regardless of the configuration here basically. He had several modes of attack to clean these out. Basically how he did this. With a knife, he could slip, he could fucking how he did this with a knife. He could slip though We could fucking pick the lock. Yeah, basically with a knife and he did one in black pool one day Which basically he this is when he was fighting when he was in the Ulster
Starting point is 00:34:17 Amateur championship boxing back in the day and he like he gave it to everybody Really? Yeah, it's like she everybody had pockets full of fucking coins at that point They said a claw hammer could be wedged into the panel joints to lever the side away and open the back just as easily But they said the most inventive form of this would be a sawed-off piezo igniter Something lighter you used to spark gas stoves basically. Oh, okay. Yeah, look. Yeah. Yeah make her in there Yeah, exactly So he removed the metal casing of the lighter so the electric charge generated by the click of the button could be applied to the metal
Starting point is 00:34:53 Plated collection gutter into which the winnings would come into right? He didn't know the science, but he knew that the spark sent the fruit machine haywire and coin caused it to just shoot coins out Oh, you could do that and then we just break and start feeding and start paying off sent the fruit machine haywire and caused it to just shoot coins out. Oh! You could do that and then we'd just break and start feeding and start paying off. He'd just shorten it out. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, he figured that out.
Starting point is 00:35:12 And that's something, you know, it's not real inconspicuous prying a fucking machine open with a claw hammer. It's a little easier to do one little click. You can cut as you click it. As you win. And then it pours out and you go, yay. So this is kind of how he's making a living at this point. Wow. You can caught as you click it as you win and then it pours on you go. Yay So this is kind of how he's making a living at this point Wow, which is with an electric clicker Yeah, robbing slot or a knife or whatever the fuck you call them the fruity. Yeah, so they said one day He was looking at his friend's window. He was watching with interest as
Starting point is 00:35:41 Kitchen units were hauled into new buildings that were springing up here. So he saw that and was like, I'm stealing that shit. Fresh kitchen unit, nobody watching. So he did. He took, he took one night, he got somebody to help him and he removed one of the kitchens in its entirety piece by piece, everything. The whole kitchen. Counters everything and then sold it. Wow. And he said he financed about a three-day bender out of that For selling a whole kitchen. So this is this is what it is
Starting point is 00:36:12 that that the IRA also got Window sure that he was stealing kitchens and they didn't like that basically No, and and it's mainly because it's a it's a challenge to the authority and they don't they don't like that shit So and society itself in general that too. Yeah, they don't like it. But mainly it's like challenge to the authority and they don't like that shit. And society itself in general. That too, yeah, they don't like it. But mainly it's like we told you not to. I mean, it's kind of a, I don't know, it's not a real, I mean, there's no real set rules here. Just like if we catch you doing what we don't like,
Starting point is 00:36:38 we'll beat you with hammers and put you in an alley and then you won't be allowed to call the, I don't think that's in the law. Like, oh, the punishment for that is to be beaten and left in an alley and then you won't be allowed to call the, I don't think that's in the law. Like, oh, the punishment for that is to be beaten and left in an alley and not allowed to call the ambulance. I don't think that's written down anywhere. So yeah, he's trying to do this. Now, basically they told him to fuck off.
Starting point is 00:36:56 He wasn't seen a lot in the streets of Ardoyne for the next nine months or so, and when he did, he would be hiding, basically, because he knew the IRA wanted to talk to him so his mother and a local parish priest Here and him met with the IRA top rank in the church one evening to plead his case But it was decided that he's a fuck-up, but he's not welcome to go to jail or get out of here. That's it So after about nine months, he started coming back around
Starting point is 00:37:25 and into bars and shit like that to see if he was gonna be thrown out or beaten up or whatever the hell. So yeah, that's what he's doing. One night, he felt a tap on the shoulder. He turned around to find him face to face with the guy who had taken him out of his mom's house and before to question him,
Starting point is 00:37:46 one of the guys from the IRA, the provosts or the police force basically for them. And he said, what the fuck are you doing here? And he said, oh shit. He said, what the hell? He started stumbling, he didn't know what to do. And the guy started laughing and said, ah, don't worry wee man,
Starting point is 00:38:04 I think you'll be all right to be back't worry wee man, I think you'll be alright to be back now. He said, I think you're okay. So yeah, within days he got in another fight. Of course. Outside of quote, outside of Chippy. French fries. Was it a bar?
Starting point is 00:38:18 French fry type place, a Chippy on Ardoyne Avenue that resulted in a guy, basically a guy who has a lot of connections with the IRA losing a part of his finger. Wow. Yeah. Basically his friend Connolly, the one he's been getting in trouble with since they were pre they before they had pubes was the aggressor.
Starting point is 00:38:36 But McGee was the one who, you know, he's just gonna finish it. Yeah, that's the thing. If you've got this guy with you, you know, you can say whatever you want. So a couple nights later, it's about six p.m. and there's a knock on the door and his wife opens the door a couple inches and tells him that Amon's not there. She thought it was someone looking for drugs or someone wanting to hang out or whatever here. But the guy wedged his foot in the door and said, this is the Irish Republican Army.
Starting point is 00:39:01 We're taking over the house. Oh, wonderful. So they ushered Mary into the living room where they had the kids in there and everything like that. Her mother had one of the kids, so she had two of the kids here. And yeah, that's what they're doing. So they said they're taking over the house. Now it was a Monday night,
Starting point is 00:39:18 so Mary knew he wouldn't be home very late, but she still had to think of something. She said, listen, you're wasting your time. She said he won't be coming back here tonight. God knows where he is or what he's doing even though she knows he's going to be coming back. She you know she's there's about nine or ten people there some of them at baseball bats and metal bars. They mean business here. That's what the IRA carries. These guys yeah they're going to rouse somebody one at a wooden club
Starting point is 00:39:53 With the sharp end of a four inch nail protruding from it. Oh my god fucking that is horrified a zombie weapon that is horrifying That is crazy very Warner Brothers It is what's the movie that with fucking Simon Pegg and them where they're fighting zombies the hell's name zombie land No, that's nobody harrelson one I don't know. I just damn it being honest now. I don't know who that guy. It's a funny fucking movie it's really fun Simon Pegg the goddamn British guy who's he did spaced the From go though. No, no, no, no, no. He's a he's in a bunch of American shit, too. He's in I don't know what he looks like.
Starting point is 00:40:25 I'm real bad at names. If you saw him, you'd go, oh, that guy. I feel bad because people just tell me that somebody won an award and I'm like, I don't know who that is. I don't know any, yeah, I don't pay attention. But this was all like 2007-ish or something like that. God damn it, what the fuck is he?
Starting point is 00:40:40 Is he a British actor? Yeah, oh yeah, he's very British. They did a show called Spaced, which was a real popular British sitcom. It's funny, it's about slacker people sharing an apartment. Here, I'm gonna look him up here, I'll show him to you. Love to see his god damn face.
Starting point is 00:40:54 What's the guy's name from Go then? Well, that was well before that. Was it? Yeah, yeah. Is he too old to be him? Yeah, for sure. I don't know. This guy.
Starting point is 00:41:04 Oh yeah, I do know who that, yeah, that weasel guy is. Yeah, for sure. I don't know. This guy. Oh yeah, I do know who that... Yeah, you've seen him. Yeah, that weasel guy is. Yeah, totally. So... What else is he in? Lots of shit. He's been in everything. He was in Hot Fuzz.
Starting point is 00:41:12 He was in... Oh yeah. Sean of the Dead. There it is. There you go. Sean of the Dead is where it's a comedy about everybody turning into zombies. Okay. And him and his...
Starting point is 00:41:22 It's fucking hilarious. They're throwing records at them. It's like high school, right? Sean of the Dead? No, no adults. No, they're adults. Yes. Hey, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, they're adults at that point So anyway, Mary's trying to tell him she's not coming, but he's not coming back So put your fucking two by fours with nails on him away. It's about nine o'clock She heard the front door open, but it was only her mother returning with the kid Oh, that's great. So they told her to sit in the living room and wait it out too.
Starting point is 00:41:47 So midnight's coming around, Mary's like, shit, he's going to come home soon. This isn't good. So she said, this is ridiculous. And my kitchen's still a mess from dinner. Can I at least go in and do the dishes? So they let her do it and they let her go to the bathroom where she tore off a piece of toilet paper and using her eyeliner pencil she wrote him a note she wrote r a in house run like fuck just great run like
Starting point is 00:42:14 fuck I think r a in house would be just enough probably you don't gotta tell me to run and certainly not to run like fuck that was oh don't worry amazing where'd she leave that no well that's what I'm gonna get there so she folded it up tucked it in her pocket and and certainly not to run like fuck. I'll go, don't worry. Amazing. Where'd she leave that note? Well, that's what I'm getting at. So she folded it up, tucked it in her pocket, and then went down the stairs to stand over the kitchen sink and wait for him. So all the people, the RA people are still
Starting point is 00:42:36 in the living room, milling about, and they were starting to accept that perhaps this guy isn't coming back. So Mary's like, shit. So she needed to get the square of toilet paper out the window, and that way maybe Eamon would see it, and know not to come in. Hopefully.
Starting point is 00:42:53 12.30, Eamon gets out of a taxi and walks toward the house. He saw the toilet paper flutter out of the window. She waited for him, she tosses out the window. And seconds later, he got back in the taxi and fucking took off. Ran like fuck. Ran like fuck. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:08 So about a half hour after that the IRA said, all right, fine, nevermind and left, basically. And she said, I told you guys you were wasting your time. Yeah. And they said, he's a lucky man, he wouldn't have walked again if we got to him tonight. Oh my God. Yeah, they were gonna break his legs, basically.
Starting point is 00:43:22 Wow. So yeah, he ended up taking off and going back towards North Belfast, where he would often just stay away from here, just as far away from here as he can get, basically. So part of that was fear of the IRA, but also he's fighting with his wife all the time, and she doesn't like him there.
Starting point is 00:43:39 And Mary starting to drink herself a lot. Uh-oh. So basically we got two shit-faced Irish people pissed off at each other the whole time. Not good at all. Violent outbursts happen and she gets mad at him and flips out and she's drunk and then he's drunk and smacks her around so God knows what's going on here.
Starting point is 00:43:58 It's interesting. Now Mary is in her 30s as we remember, she's older than him and at this point, she thought she could, she was still trying to party and doing all this shit. But she wanted to party on the weekends. She was like, yeah, you party on the weekend. During the week, you help out with the kids and all that.
Starting point is 00:44:14 Job and lifestyle. Yeah, that's what 35-year-old alcoholics do. They feel like how to put their life together. He is still in his 20s and doesn't give a shit. Doesn't know how anyone. No, he just wants to party all the fucking life together. Yeah, he is still in his 20s and doesn't give a shit. Doesn't know how anyone. No, he just wants to party all the fucking time. Sure. That's how he is.
Starting point is 00:44:30 So there's a guy named James Gerard Hamill. Okay, we'll talk about him here. Now, he's got a real shit childhood. Never knew his father, and his mother left for Australia and never came back before he was like three years old. So just abandoned him. He's raised in orphanages and refugee camps and all sorts of shit.
Starting point is 00:44:52 He's a real mess. Somehow he never ended up going to school. Nobody put him in school, which is interesting. He was around Eamon's brother Terry's age. So in his early teens, he tried to befriend Terry, his's brother Terry's age. So in his early teens he tried to befriend Terry, his older brother, Terry Jr. But then Terry left too, so he was like fuck. So in his late teens he started drinking in the Jamaica Inn.
Starting point is 00:45:16 Oh. Here, he sat alone until Terrence McGee Senior here, remember him, his dad, Amon's dad, started to like him. So yeah, and this guy liked, he liked Doc him his dad Amon's dad started to like him So yeah And this guy liked he liked Doc his dad because he was kind of a cool guy and a well-known guy in the city So he would start hanging out with them soon. They would start sending him for errands. He's like their Henry Hill Yeah, I mean, yeah, go get to go do that go do this so they'd send him to like the store He'd be allowed to sit there while they got shit-faced
Starting point is 00:45:46 Stuff like that, you know, and then he started to become an alcoholic also. Right. He got it quick, though, this Hamill guy. They said there was, everyone said they weren't sure if he was kind of all there. He was all fucked up in the head a little bit here. He was never allowed to join the IRA, but they would store weapons at his apartment.
Starting point is 00:46:04 That's how they would store weapons in his at his apartment. That's how they would do. I guess one time an army raid unearthed a nine millimeter behind some pans in the kitchen cupboard and he was facing ten years for that. You're not supposed to have guns at all. No and that's this is he's hiding it for the provost too which it's a long story. So basically here He ended up he ended up being arrested for that and everything like that So amen grew up and got to know him and he knew that he was close to his father So he liked him basically he said he tees him all the time. He'd call him ham and eggs
Starting point is 00:46:39 Or Hamilton, which is a Protestant version of of his name. Hamill. Oh. So they would do that. But Eamon one time walked into the 32 degrees north pub and noticed Hamill was on the bar shit-faced. And so Eamon sat a little bit away and looked at him just to see what he was doing. And apparently he was antagonizing a big guy. That's what he was doing, trying to start a fight, was this Ham big guy. That's what he was doing, trying to start a fight. It was this Hamill guy. So the guy, um,
Starting point is 00:47:07 basically here, um, Hamill's not even a good fighter. That's the thing. He just is a drunk. So Hamill tottered toward the bathroom and this big guy followed him and Eamon could see what was going on. So he went to follow him to just in time to see this guy drill Hamill in the back of the head and leave them on the floor between two urinals Which is a nice place you want to be right there. There's definitely you're in a piss bottle That's it a lot of them
Starting point is 00:47:32 Then he was gonna start stomping him. Uh-huh at this point So as he was gonna stop him Hamill turned and looked and saw a man Yeah, and then a man said hey, and then the guy turned around and Ayman knocked him out. One punch, that's it. Sucker punched him. And he said, hey, guy turned around. He just, boom, done, clipped him. That was done.
Starting point is 00:47:53 Then dragged his body, unconscious body, into the cubicle and propped it up. Weekend Laverne. Yep, just put him in here for a while. Got his friend up, walked him back to his stool, and said, just drink your bite And don't say anything sit down just just pretend like nothing happened So amen sat down at his table and waited about a half hour later
Starting point is 00:48:12 This guy wanders out of the bathroom and weaved his way to Hamill leaned against the bar here and he didn't know what the hell was going on and He just he didn't know shit. He was like, what just happened? And the other guy, just the little guy, Hamill just walked away. So that's how, that's how this goes. This guy was so confused. Like, did you hit me?
Starting point is 00:48:33 Did you get up and hit me? Like he didn't even know what happened. So Aiman started hanging out with Hamill every night. Or every Thursday night they'd go there. When things got bad with Mary, he'd stay there. It became his little kind of refuge pad. And yeah, then Mary he'd stay there it became his little kind of refuge pad and Yeah, then eventually moved in there because him and his wife were fighting all the time
Starting point is 00:48:56 They would basically just walk around and get in fights. That's all they would do perfect one day. They went to see a man here they turn the corner and A rocket was launched into an art at an RUC Land Rover and killed the driver Oh my so they scurried at a house to take cover But within 20 minutes the police kicked through the door and thought that that's where they thought the bar the person was that did this Instead it was them in there So they held them and interrogated them and released them and all that kind of shit here the next morning amen looked out the window and looked over and he was still shit faced and everything and He said come here Hamill quick
Starting point is 00:49:29 So they watched the two men stood watching Johnny five from the Short Circuits movies Potter about the church steps up and down he went around on his tracks his camera peering over walls and corners as Mechanical pincer probing at a suspicious looking bag at the church door. It's a bomb thing. Yeah. Yeah. From stage right, a big fat green soldier in an antique diving helmet waddled onto the
Starting point is 00:49:52 scene. The men were tipsily mesmerized by the whole surreal performance. The book goes on to say, Aiman moved to reach for a beer. He was like, Oh, this is great. I need a beer here. And apparently the guy in the soldier in the protective suit center was spun around and saw these two looking out the window. Yeah. And, uh, they said, get down away from that window. And, uh, apparently, uh,
Starting point is 00:50:16 they had a controlled explosion and an RUC officer knocked on the door and said, fuck's sake, even their fuck's sake, even the whole street was evacuated. Where the fuck? What are you doing here? Why are you here? So they knew him by name. Everybody knows, oh you fucking idiots, this goddamn disaster. They wanted to pin something on him basically. They knew he was always messing up and he's kind of just a menace in town.
Starting point is 00:50:39 So one morning, he ends up, Pamel here here is the RUC gets him he wakes up with them on him in his house oh and they said James Hamill you're under arrest for now Amon was in the bathroom wondering what's going on yeah so he's like oh shit so anyway they told him he's coming to Amon is you know he's like oh shit So anyway, they told him he's coming to amen is you know he's naked basically fantastic and Beyond him on the bed lay a blonde who was not married naked too. He's like I'm plowing this broad What are we doing here the fuck so they got dressed and got cuffed and all that kind of thing and they said go down And relax here
Starting point is 00:51:23 You know do all that. Sure. Eamon told him that. Eamon told his friend, go down and relax. These gentlemen are here for me. And they said, actually, we're here for Hamill this time, not even here for you. So they were just trying to figure out how to arrest McGee, too, basically,
Starting point is 00:51:39 what he did, if he did anything. But Eamon doesn't really care. He doesn't mind being arrested once in a while. They haven't broken his legs, so, fuck does he care? You know what I mean? Yeah. They make threats, but they don't follow through. No, they never, that's what I mean.
Starting point is 00:51:53 Well, he gets away, he runs away, and all that kind of shit. So anyway, everybody's outside, taking his friend out and everything, and Hamill said, what's this all about, for fuck's sake yeah, and Hamill said I'm fucking they they told Hamill I'm fucking warning you keep your mouth shut or I'll put a bullet in you they tell oh That's interesting So anyway they separated him and amen from the group here and pushed them into a spare bedroom in the back of the property
Starting point is 00:52:21 they They didn't know what to do. They're like what the fuck do we do? How do we get him out of this? So McGee ended up, was hauled out and placed with Connolly and Hamill in the living room. About 10 minutes later, Connolly said, do you hear that? And they all stood and listened and said, they're gone. They left, they didn't take anybody away. So they're like, what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:52:42 They took another roommate who they weren't even there for, a guy named Clarky. They took him, quote, bound, hooded, and driven into the night. Dang it. So they tied him to a chair, and they beat him with fists and sticks and kicked him with steel-toed boots until he made a confession that they wanted to hear.
Starting point is 00:53:00 Then they shot him in the leg and dumped him on the street. Oh my god. Shot him in the leg and dumped him. Don't. Oh my god shot him in the leg and dumped him Don't do it again. Yeah, that's fucking interesting so the RA went to doc Amon's dad and played the tape that they got him to make and They said that Clark he was heard to reveal how McGee and the others had stripped a derelict house and sold the valuable fireplace That was contained within so
Starting point is 00:53:23 Yeah, doc said to Amon. They've got you bad. They've got you banged it to write son You'll need to go with them. Clarky was singing like a canary. You may need to teach him to keep his mouth shut He wouldn't fucking stop talking So that's not good. So Amen said I think I'll leave instead. Oh, I think that's better. So he got in a taxi went to the airport Get the fuck out of here. He wants to go I think I'm gonna leave instead. Oh, we're gonna go. I think that's better. So he got in a taxi, went to the airport. Get the fuck outta here, he wants to go. So they said, he's in the taxi, he said,
Starting point is 00:53:51 we need to make a quick stop at the Royal, mate. We're leaving because that fat bastard, Clarky, touted on us. The least we can do is stop in and say our goodbyes. Oh, that's where he's at? Yeah, so he went to the hospital, that's where he is, and Amon said, don't even look at him, just find out where he shot,
Starting point is 00:54:09 where he was shot and start punching. Don't stop until I say so. Oh my God. Because he's hold on him. Because he's hold on him. Yeah. So Amon said that and they found Clarky in his bed, lying amongst other people in the hospital here.
Starting point is 00:54:23 No punches. No, so they saw him there. For 10 full seconds they said two men laid into the man they blamed for having to go in exile. McGee bludgeoned his face repeatedly while the other men focused on the wound on his leg. Wow. Then McGee parted and walked away, took off,
Starting point is 00:54:41 and nobody spoke a word. And Eamon told told his friends don't run Let's just walk out of here as calmly as we walked in make it look like we've visited somebody We're gonna walk down and fuck them all you just heard bedpans crashing. That's all So as they exited Clark he was shouting at them your your your bastards and all that kind of shit so it's pretty fucking funny, so I'm year later the The Provo who had signed off on the decision to exile everybody was standing besides aim Aiming at their shamrock bar and said you did the right thing by calling in at the hospital by the way
Starting point is 00:55:15 He said I'd have done exactly the same thing So they take off they go to London Where they they hang out and they people they know run a demolition business. It's his uncle, his mom's Isabella, and it's her brother Charlie who runs this. So Charlie had spent some time with Eamon before and all that kind of thing, so he's going to help him out a little bit. Not too bad here. And he also thinks it's probably pretty useful to have E a man hanging around to go to the pubs later, so why not shit? Let's do it so They hated being in London him and Connelly though. They didn't like it at all they were
Starting point is 00:55:55 They were barely a one-hour flight from Northern Ireland, but it feels they said they were like in a different planet here Plan to go home man. He can't he's gonna get beaten. Yeah, he can't he has to stay here. So It's bad. They found themselves barred from like every establishment from fighting in them. He's a mess. I mean he's boozing He's a disaster They said basically that He he would go and hang out in the neighborhoods that would have him after that, which was a lot of the Caribbean neighborhoods.
Starting point is 00:56:29 They said back then there wasn't any real white people in these bars at all, but he didn't give a shit. He didn't care, he'd go in there and that's who would let him drink. So that's where he would go. I think he figured that out. So he went back for Christmas 94 to gauge what, how, how wanted he is essentially. He said, maybe there's other stuff going on.
Starting point is 00:56:51 You know, maybe I'll be okay here. So it's okay. It's a 22 year old. Yeah. Yeah. He went home to Mary and the kids here. Um, but no, um, they ended up drinking and drugging and within days he was doing the same routine. Oh boy. Yeah, Mary looked to his mom and brothers for help and said, Jesus Christ, can you help me with this fucking lunatic? And they said, I don't know how to help him.
Starting point is 00:57:16 He's a goddamn mess. They started figuring out to stage an intervention to get Aiman to stop, you know. Doing all this shit. Doing all this shit. So they set up an intervention to get Aiman to stop, you know, doing all this shit. So they set up an intervention. They were asking him, where's your life headed? Where indeed. The drink and the drugs are destroying you.
Starting point is 00:57:33 The police are going to catch you and if the RA don't get you first. So you're going to get fucked. Mary needs a stable partner. Your three kids need a father. Is he didn't take to this. He was pissed off. He didn't like this at all. He thought was an insult so he lashed out he threw screamed and yelled and threw furniture across the room until his brothers
Starting point is 00:57:52 restrained him yeah yeah he said you can all fuck off and leave me alone and he slammed the door and left so that's that's kind of 50-50 in an intervention you're gonna get one of those things you might end up with the multisanti intervention where he starts telling you your problems. I don't know how on that show people don't do this more frequently. It's very common for them to just be like,
Starting point is 00:58:14 yeah, you're right. I think it's gotta get to a point where they know it too. But I'm surprised they're not still like, still, fuck you. I'm doing fine, I can do my drugs. It happens still, but not like that. Yeah, I mean, I'm doing fine, I can do my drugs. It happens still, but not like that. Yeah, that's, Jesus Christ. So anyway, yeah, he's a fucking mess.
Starting point is 00:58:35 So they're telling him, look, you gotta get back in the ring, man. Like, you are a disaster, you're only getting worse. So there's a guy named John Breen here Just reminds me of Neil Breen the guy who makes terrible movies So John Breen is a boxing trainer and known as the most successful professional trainer in Irish history All of Ireland so not bad. Yeah, so he would you know He's a he was a fighter himself and won amateur titles and all that kind of thing
Starting point is 00:59:04 He turned pro in the 70s and all kinds of shit like that and he's been helping and being a coach for kids and known as the the best around essentially here so one night here John Decided to mention amen to his father-in-law. Yeah, this is the guys, you know the boxing trainer son-in-law He said, Eamon has a bad reputation. He's a wild man, drinks, drugs, been shot, been exiled by the provost, got a big ugly scar
Starting point is 00:59:30 on his neck from a street fight. And they said, well, can he box though? He said, yeah, he can box. He said, well, he's a man of the word. He's a man of the word. He's a man of the word. He's a man of the word. He's a man of the word.
Starting point is 00:59:43 He's a man of the word. He's a man of the word. He's a man of the word. He's a man of the word. He's a big ugly scar on his neck from a street fight You know and they said they said well, can he box though, right? He said yeah, you can box He's got talent up the ass. He's just a mess So he said maybe we can do this and they said fine set up a meeting with this fucking guy So he returns to boxing here at age 23 in 1995 his brother Takes him to Barney Eastwood's gym in Belfast to meet Mike Callahan who is Breen's father-in-law and he was impressed with the guys
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Starting point is 01:02:50 So he's, I wanna make sure you're serious and not a fuck off. So he said, it was hard work, but I had to do it if I wanted a box seriously. So yeah, that's interesting. He talks about, one of his favorite sayings was, and I don't get this Horses balls or lemons what?
Starting point is 01:03:09 That is some Irish shit. I don't know or he said if you can convince someone that a horse's balls or lemons Oh, yeah are you've got them just where you want them, huh? So if you can sell them on that you can bullshit them into anything apparently I don't know. I don't I think think you'd wanna pick a more believable thing. They're lemons. Lemons, not even, you know, biological from a horse. Right, matter of some sort. Yeah, this is a lemon,
Starting point is 01:03:35 which is a totally different thing here. Lemons grow in sacks. Very interesting. So, now, Eamon liked how this Mike guy carried himself and went about his business. He said he treated men like men, didn't take any shit. So now, Eamon liked how this Mike guy carried himself and went about his business. He said he treated men like men, didn't take any shit. He said he liked the thinking man's gangster reputation
Starting point is 01:03:52 that Callahan had cultivated and knew he had connections to start making him some money. So he said there's no deals or written contracts, the financial side wasn't even discussed. They just said they wouldn't take a penny from Eamon's purses until he had earned over $5,000. Oh. So that was the handshake deal here.
Starting point is 01:04:10 So McGee wants to get his shit together. He said he can do it. So yeah, in March 1995, by the way, Noel, his brother, was stopped in four rounds and lost. And then so all these guys, a lot of these guys are losing and Noel end up not fighting after a while here. So But yeah, cuz he settled in all the guys kind of settled into family life And you know grew up basically if you're not making a living at this You got to kind of kind of do that here
Starting point is 01:04:41 So yeah They said here they said there's a champion named Gary Delaney, who's an unbeaten light heavyweight from London. They said Noel would have to do it the hard way and win in Delaney's backyard. So the whole family set off for Essex to give support. And some of the McGee clan took exception to unnecessarily aggressive heckling a couple rows behind them Isabelle ended up taking off the mom to go to the bathroom and She didn't like watching the fights anyway in the bathroom she met a young woman who was touching up her makeup and
Starting point is 01:05:15 All that kind of thing and Isabelle said oh, I'll be fine when it's all over my son's fighting now But I prefer not to watch and the woman said don't worry. It always looks worse than it really is I'm sure he'll be okay yeah so now a third lady came out of the of the shitter there was drying her hands Mrs. McGee thanked the nice woman for making her feel better and she said do you not know who that was the third woman asked Isabel and Isabel said no and they said that was Jodie Marsh Gary Delaney's girlfriend the father fighter Yeah, so they were just that's kind of interesting 20 minutes later Isabel's daughter-in-law came in to find her screaming that Gary had quit on the stool and Noel was the new champion
Starting point is 01:05:57 Oh, wow, so that's a big fucking deal. Yeah Isabel ran out and was all excited and everybody was jacked and so he's a champion now amon here in November 1995 he's gonna have his first pro fight here. We go. He fights Pete Roberts Yeah, who's five and eleven coming into this fight, and they fight at the point in Dublin, and it's a KO in the fourth round So that's no good. That's a ball good for amon. Oh Amen, didn't get knocked out. Eamon won, yeah, he knocked his ass out
Starting point is 01:06:27 in the fourth round of this guy. So, not bad. That's his first. Eamon wanted the knockout too. He said, I want the knockout. His coach told him, just box. Just run it, man. Said, you get paid the same either way if you win.
Starting point is 01:06:42 And he said, no, I want the knockout. I'll do it the right way. I gotta do that. So yeah, he gets into the fourth round and You know knocks this guy out. He said he walked to this Pete Roberts walked up. They touched gloves and That was it. He started whooping his ass and he said he began throwing combinations Right, and he said he made it personal in his head Saying this guy wasn't gonna fuck with me. Basically. This is my goddamn debut. This guy's trying to ruin it for me So, um, yeah, I guess this guy kept trying to hold him and amen ended up not having it and knocked the guy out
Starting point is 01:07:14 So pretty goddamn good March 9th. He fights Steve McGorn 96 March 9th, 1996 Steve McGovern Yeah, who's a 10 6 and 1 fighter? 1996 Steve McGovern. Yeah, who was a 10 6-1 fighter This is at the Glenn Green Glenn's arena on Mill Street here This when he wins on points in four rounds like exhibition fights almost of four rounds 40 to 37 to so somebody had at least a tie the other way But amen was just going after this guy the whole time. Four rounds is weird because you can tie that easily. Oh yeah, very easily.
Starting point is 01:07:48 It could be a draw. Super easy here unless somebody knocks somebody down or something. This guy apparently knew how to, he was basically a light puncher that knew how to go the distance. A lot of times these veterans, they know how to hang on. You can't knock them out. As soon as they start getting in trouble, they know to clench. They know how to avoid shit. You can't knock them out. As soon as they start getting in trouble, they know to clench, they know how to avoid shit. That's just how they are.
Starting point is 01:08:08 But anyway, Eamonn wins by decision here. Now, he gets a nickname. He's got two wins under his belt. Might as well give him a nickname here. Local boxing reporter David Kelly gave him the nickname of The Terminator. Eamonn said he had no nickname, and you know, I don't have one. This guy said, yeah, you do. You of the Terminator mm-hmm. Amen said he had no nickname And you know I don't have one this guy said yeah, you do you're the Terminator and he said I fucking like that
Starting point is 01:08:36 It's pretty goddamn right now. Yeah, that's what he thought he said. It's like Schwarzenegger being a you know this fucking Android that kills everybody this is awesome So they said the Terminator ended up sticking with him for the rest of his career. That's what everybody calls him. So May 28th, 96, John Stovin, who's 5'4 and two coming into this fight, and he will end his career at 5'5 and two, so you know what happens. This is at Ulster Hall in Belfast, and he knocks him out in two rounds, Eamon does. So yeah, Eamon is, he's a pretty goddamn good fighter.
Starting point is 01:09:05 I would say. So, he said he becomes very popular in town. Everybody's hearing about him coming up and everything like that, so that's pretty impressive. They said McGee's performance had undoubtedly made him the talk of the town. They said despite other people doing other things they said this he's awesome one guy a Belfast based Venezuelan
Starting point is 01:09:30 How many Venezuelans live in Belfast? Yeah, I didn't that's a long trip man. Yeah, there's a long trip He said a blind man could see the class in this guy McGee looked the best of the boys tonight and he can go a very long way He moves very well and even thought and even though it is only his third fight he looks like a very good professional. The way he went about beating his opponent impressed me a great deal. Okay, August 3rd, 96 Kevin McKillen. Yeah. And that is this guy's 13, 10 and 4 coming in. And this is this guy doesn't come out for the fourth round. Oh, he gave up.
Starting point is 01:10:06 Gave up, this was a six round fight, so four and oh. Now, as far as the coaches think, Aiman is living the clean life, just boxing and that's it. They said that people kept track, the John guy kept track of his comings and goings on a ledger, and he said that he was proud to say that McGee hadn't been marked down as absent since he came on board shows up Every single day that's great that he was out of the house at 730 a.m. For a five-mile run before he'd relax and
Starting point is 01:10:35 Arrive fresh at the gym for you know sparring and shit like that. So he's doing great. And this guy would this is fucked up It's a little tiny place and this guy would crank up the gas heater So hot shit in there Disturbing Bikram yoga, but worse but worse around like high school wrestling when they do that They make them lose weight, which can't be good for you So that he would do this he would crank it up for like 20 minutes make it insanely hot in there and then make them spar When it's super fucking hot.
Starting point is 01:11:06 Yeah, that's. That's no fun at all. That's no fun. That's like when they pipe the crowd noise in at football practices. Way worse. You know what I mean? You know you can't hear the calls on the line
Starting point is 01:11:15 or shit like that. It's just, that's rough. So he stuck around and did all of that. They said part of the issue was that the early four round contests against second or third rate opponents were not really a challenge. They knew they could get, they said McGee knew
Starting point is 01:11:30 he could get through them without having to put in much more effort than he really wanted to. He could do anything he wants here. So they said even moving away from the Ardoyne failed to tame him with all the top promoters in the UK telling him how wonderful he was and Giving him decent money now He's like yeah, this is nice
Starting point is 01:11:49 He took a chunk of money and moved his family out of Rose penistreet and eight miles down to a newly built estate on the fringes of West Belfast and Yeah, his his coaches took it as a further sign that he's settling down But no, he's not. He's instead starting something new. What is that? Cocaine. Is that right?
Starting point is 01:12:11 Of course, he likes Coke now, yeah. Because he likes alcohol and pills, but. He's gotta be doing a lot of it. Little Coke never hurt nobody. He's also got a tolerance now. I mean, yeah, so what are you gonna do here? They said Mary would still accompany him on the occasional weekend
Starting point is 01:12:26 But she and the kids were already they knew that he they knew in the midweek He could never he might not come home all week. Basically. That's just how it goes so Yeah people They thought thought maybe he was subconsciously frustrated Because he didn't really have anybody good to fight subconsciously frustrated because he didn't really have anybody good to fight. So he took that out in the street and fought people there. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:53 And obviously the they said the presence of the British army in Belfast had gradually diminished in line with the reduced threat from the IRA. But they said the soldiers still proceed, patrolled the high risk districts like the Ardoyne where he hangs out a lot and where everybody goes him him and Hamill still would fucking go out and get shitfaced and go back to his shitty Flop house and lay down one army soldier said you're the boxer ain't you and he said yeah, that's right One said you're the local hard man, and then he was like oh, I like this yeah like that's right so amen pause to look at the man while his friend was like, oh, I like this. Yeah, like that's right. So Eamon paused to look at the man while his friend was like, let's just go, let's just go.
Starting point is 01:13:29 And the soldier was emboldened here. And he said, I remember your old man, McGee, saying about Doc. And Eamon said, the fuck did you say? And the soldier said, you'll end up just like him. Oh shit. Not good. So apparently they said before this guy could do anything
Starting point is 01:13:46 Amen knocked his ass out on the street and they both started running. Yeah fast and far cuz he has a gun Yeah, so you want to get away from him before he wakes up His friend said you're a mad bastard a man what the fuck is wrong with you You can't knock people out that are armed with my dad. Yeah, don't talk about my don't talk any shit Yeah, so hey, he got away with it though So yeah, he ends up Still training and all that kind of shit here. Oh my god. This is fucking wild So there's a lot going on with a man. Basically. He is
Starting point is 01:14:19 His life is a mess Yeah, he's got a career happening, but he but he's got bad choices. I would say. He does some other shit. An alcoholic, he's a drug user, he's a police assaulter. He's a bad man. At one point he walked into a place to find his buddy Conley getting the shit kicked out of him. Uh oh. So, Eamon picked up a bar stool and knocked the guy fucking over the head with it. So the bouncers came in and brought him outside here. Eamon tried to calm things down by getting his group
Starting point is 01:14:51 away from the scene. He was actually the sober one, which is odd. That's interesting. But did he? He just got here to get fucked up. Didn't quite happen here though. They said that he was due in the ring for a few weeks and he was still attempting to be the voice of reason but another friend
Starting point is 01:15:07 Felt forced to intervene a closed-circuit TV camera picked up Picked up picked him up directing a stray boot at a body on the floor And that's all the police needed to charge him he was released before his case would be heard But yeah, he's that's another that's that's Amon's another arrest Can't do that. Yeah Amon was working security for John in the arena nightclub one night and a customer on the dance floor was identified as a known drug Dealer the bouncer stepped in to lead him away. They found the guy super aggressive Yeah, and all coked up basically so a scuffle ensued and the dealer got a broken jaw
Starting point is 01:15:47 Because that's what amen did he pressed charges against amen right and amen got 240 hours of community service Really? Yes, he did get to that Here is that I guess there's no money involved there, huh? No. No, it's not. It's the he just he Had him charged. He didn't sue him. I don't know if you could sue I don't know if you can sue anyone for a bar fight in Ireland I feel like that's just part of the this is part of the game But if you do and win then what you look like an asshole that would be like suing someone here for giving you a steak Yeah, like it's just part of the game part of what it is. Yeah, sometimes you get steak
Starting point is 01:16:21 Yeah, sometimes you get a hamburger. I don't tell you so Yeah, anyway, that's interesting Anyway, so the guy ended up not being mad at him and saying no hard feelings I got 12 grand thanks to that left hook of yours me. Oh, I got money out of it Yeah, he sued the bar. So he didn't wasn't mad at him and he's like, thanks for knocking me out I knew that money next up Shawn Stokes on November 5th, 1996. He's nine, six, and two coming in. This is at Ulster Hall, and it's a second round TKO for Amon as well.
Starting point is 01:16:52 So yeah, Amon's doing goddamn, goddamn well here. January, in the ring, outside the ring, awful. January 28th, 97, Carl Plug Taylor. The plug. The plug, you can picture that guy. Yeah, you're calling that his record is he's plugging along 1431 and three he's not doing well. That's his record coming into this fight Wow. Do you know what his finishing record? I don't okay 16 so he only won two more fights right 142 and seven so
Starting point is 01:17:26 Between ass kicked over a hundred times more than he won before this fight Yeah, if you sat count this fight and on he went two and a hundred and eleven Two one eleven and four that was a four draws. How do you do it stop? What's the motivation? I think you you you're blunting for punishment You like it. That's insane, man What are you making in that time in? Ireland to lose that many times. Yeah, I don't know grand Maybe just I don't know. Yeah, can't be making that much
Starting point is 01:18:00 I mean seems like a guy that's probably working outside the yeah I mean cuz you're not gonna pay him a lot when he's got 100 losses. Everyone expects him to lose. It's not like the crowd's gonna come to see him win. I mean, no one's definitely not gonna fucking bet on him. So this guy was about three inches shorter than Eamon, and he would crouch to basically all you had
Starting point is 01:18:21 was the back of his head, which is an illegal rabbit punch. So he pissed off Eamon. Eamon said, stand up, his head, which is an illegal rabbit punch. So he pissed off Aiman. Aiman said, stand up, you bastard. But he wouldn't do it. So he ended up throwing uppercuts and basically trying to punch him up straight here. So he told his, in between rounds, he said, how the fuck am I supposed to fight this asshole, basically?
Starting point is 01:18:43 And they said, look, keep calm. They said, you're doing fine. Box him, jab jab his head went on points, and we'll go home happy He said no. I want to knock him out, so he does Yeah, he does he said I'm knocking him out, so he's six and oh now yeah, so here We go he goes to America now all right his buddy Wayne McCullough Sets the wheels in motion here. This guy, remember we talked about him before, he turned pro after claiming a silver medal
Starting point is 01:19:09 at the 92 Olympic Games and moved to Las Vegas to be trained by Eddie Futch. Now, he was the NABF bantamweight champion within a year and he became the WBC world champion right after that. So he's doing really well here. He became the world champion within a year and and he became the WBC world champion right after that. So he's doing really well here. He ended up losing a split decision to Daniel Zaragoza in the middle of 97 and also his wife started having affairs.
Starting point is 01:19:38 So that's not good. That's not great here. So they said that they tried to coax Amon to move to America to sign a long-term promotional deal, but they said that he could make something out of him because he's kind of a character. In America, that works a lot. So a one-fight deal was agreed upon,
Starting point is 01:20:01 and Team McGee went to Fort Worth, Texas at the end of February 97. No good. That's hilarious. That's really funny because those are guys that would see some little Irish guy and be like what the fuck you want and there's gonna be fucking cowboy boots pointing at the ceiling pretty soon with this shit. I would love to watch that. I love to watch a little Irish guy beat the shit out of a bunch of hillbillies. That would be so fucking fun. So anyway, he's doing that, and that's what he's gonna do. So he ends up March 3rd, 1997.
Starting point is 01:20:34 Anthony Townsend, he fights. He's three and four coming in. They fight in Austin. And Eamon came out and knocked his ass out in the first round. They loved it. So Americans were excited. They told, he was told quote, Boston, New York, Chicago, the world is your oyster.
Starting point is 01:20:52 They said this kid's something special, he's got a big future. That's from a Hall of Fame promoter, Dan Goosen. And his manager here was, the Wayne McCullough guy's manager that set up the deal said this was a spectacular performance. He said, he said this was a spectacular performance. He said He said this was he compared him to Felix Trinidad
Starting point is 01:21:09 Oh who at the time was he beat to Adela, Hawaii? It was a big fucking deal Yeah, so he said it what a great job He said I don't hang about with wasters Amon McGee will be a world champion and that's why I want to sign him Okay, March 28thth 97 Teddy to gun read He fights. Yeah, which is a pretty goddamn cool name. Actually. This is this is in Boston. Oh, no shit. Yeah That's a good garden. No, it's the Roxy. Oh That's a hotel in it No fucking clue
Starting point is 01:21:41 So anyway, that's always gonna do here They said amen won't will not be facing any push over in Reed, who has four first round stoppages and has only lost once on points. He's six and won this read. So that's pretty good. They said it's a clash of two very heavy hitters. And yeah, that's exactly what it is.
Starting point is 01:21:59 So by the way, Tugun Reed went on to win three different North American titles and also almost win the WBO crown as well. He's kind of a knockout guy. That's how he goes. They said, yeah, that's how it goes. They said that in this fight, though, it goes all six rounds and Aiman loses on. No, yeah, loses on points.
Starting point is 01:22:25 So he's taller than McGee, about three inches taller. Which is really tough. That's tough. You got reach, you got movement. Look at like Diego Corrales' career. He's six foot one and fought at like 130 fucking five pounds. So he was just jabbing the shit out of these people. No one could touch him. It was just, you know, some people are set up like that. So Ayman was very upset though. He was real upset.
Starting point is 01:22:47 He blamed all the traveling, the matchmaking, weight class bullshit that he's been going through. Yeah, he said he wanted to fight, he wanted to do this, but now he's back to square one basically. Because unbeaten is the, that's the currency in boxing. Undefeated. So he's seven and one now, fights Peteringale Jesus Christ he sounds tough April 29th 97 he's one two and one coming in back in Belfast and this guy does not come back out for the
Starting point is 01:23:15 second round gives it up yeah so June 2nd 1997 he fights Kevin McKillen who's 14 14 and 4 coming in Oh, he ends up his career 16 16 and 4. How do you do that? I don't know seems like it's on purpose, right? I gotta win one. I gotta lose one. Is it he's just got OCD. Yeah, he could be a better fighter He's just got OCD and can't have his record being a skew I can't let it happen. I can't have one heavier than the other I gotta lose a couple of flights and get back this thing back even again That would be funny the OCD boxer. I Need an even record. He's uh, so he aiming wins this by TKO in the third round
Starting point is 01:23:52 Okay, so I mean he's kind of cruising right along he made a mistake fighting the one guy, but that's not his fault That's kind of who he's put up against So this is what he's doing here. He's trying to get back to the United States and all that kind of thing. Now he's going to also have to plead guilty to charges of a fray and causing both actual and grievous bodily harm for beating up people in the bar over there. He gets a £750 fine and a hundred hours of community service Then he wants to be the Commonwealth light welterweight champion after that Valentine's Day 98 he fights Dennis Griffin Three and six coming into the fight into this fight, and he's three and sixteen in his career
Starting point is 01:24:36 Oh my you lost ten in a row doesn't really work out Christy could have lost fucking 16 in a row Yeah, so a man knocks him out in the second round here. This is at the Elephant and Castle Center. Yeah. Somewhere in England, Elephant and Castle Center Center. Yeah. September 26, 98, Alan Hall, 17 and two in his career coming in. He'll end up 17 and three for his whole career because Amen knocks him out in the seventh round and he stops fighting.
Starting point is 01:25:03 So must have really done something to him there to make it. I love that when they just, they lose and they're like, well, I can't do that anymore. This is not for me. Got my ass kicked too bad there. So he's 11 and one after that November 30th, 98, Paul Burke, 25, 12 and two coming into this fight. And this is for the first belt he has a chance to fight for this is for the Commonwealth light heavyweight title in Manchester, England and it's pretty goddamn good before the the Fight McGee said that his opponent here Paul Burke was quote an old slow journeyman
Starting point is 01:25:41 Paul is the sort who hangs in and takes far more punishment than he should I'll do him a favor and get it over with fast Well, he doesn't this fight goes all 12 rounds Shit one thing an old slow journeyman knows how to do is not get knocked out take it all the way down they know how to not get knocked out and that's they'd rather lose by points than get knocked out and He this fight all 12 rounds Amon loses it on points. It's apparently a controversial decision. Really? Yeah, McGee thought that he had been let down
Starting point is 01:26:13 by the British officials, basically. And a journalist who was at ringside called it, quote, one of the most shocking decisions in British boxing history. Wow. It's not a good decision. No. This is a lot of times, you know, you should have won. He should have won
Starting point is 01:26:27 yeah, that's not great Burke was cut in the sixth round and So yeah as the tenth round drew to a close everyone watching had Burke well behind and in need of a knockout to win Oh One of the announcers said it would be a brave man who would call Paul Burke the eventual winner from here Not doing well So he did rally a little bit in the 11th and 12th going for broke just throwing haymakers, but apparently Pretty fucking ridiculous here So as this goes on
Starting point is 01:27:03 Somebody here one of the announcers says someone should be hung shot and quartered I think it's plain for everyone to see all the viewers at home to see that was Listen, everyone has eyes and one and one makes two and you know, this didn't add up tonight It's not a controversial thing to say. Oh Amon said I thought that I thought I won that fight easy And then he talked about you know, all this type of thing. He said what what was it, Stevie Wonder did he score the bout? That's what he said. Yeah, he said that's interesting. So Stevie Wonder called, you know, that's not great.
Starting point is 01:27:32 We all think Stevie can see anyway, so use Ray Charles. Yeah, use anybody else, any other, the three blind mice, anybody. My favorite thing ever is not only the old Eddie Murphy joke where he's, you wanna impress me, motherfucker, take the wheel. There's that, both of us love that. That is so fucking funny.
Starting point is 01:27:50 You wanna impress me, motherfucker, take the wheel. And then an interview with Carmelo Anthony, where he said he met Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder came up to him and said, I love watching you play. He said he was like, he didn't know how to respond to it. He was like, what?
Starting point is 01:28:06 Thank you. I mean, that mic stand is crazy. That video is fucking bananas. Seeing him catch a mic stand that fell is baffling. I don't understand it. Yeah, I don't know. Is he fucking with us? I have no idea.
Starting point is 01:28:22 Is he trolling us? That'd be the greatest prank of all time fuck. Yeah, that'd be amazing Be really blind and then make everybody think that it's a conspiracy Just not blind to just pretend you're blind your whole life. That'd be amazing and be like famous and you guys have that move thing Yeah, yeah thing and sunglasses that little snake move. Yeah, it's it's fascinating. It's interesting man What is it? We don't have any more blind. No. We don't have any more blind lead band leaders anymore.
Starting point is 01:28:51 We had Ray Charles. We had fucking Stevie Wonder. We had the guy from Roadhouse. Was he blind? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The guy from fucking Roadhouse. Oh, the guy in the band. The lead singer in the band.
Starting point is 01:29:02 Yeah, the guy behind the chain. Jeff Healy. He's fucking blind. Nobody since like the mid- 80s. We haven't had a blind guy do anything Well, I guess like in a band. Yeah, I mean you have what's his name the opera guy. Oh, I don't know Yeah, we just said this I don't know names His name is on the tip I got two hours of sleep last night. That's my problem. I can sing the song. I got Blind Opera Man.
Starting point is 01:29:28 That's what I just typed in. Yeah. And it's Andre. Oh, it's Bichelli. Bichelli's blind. He's blind? Yes, he's blind. And we bought my grandmother.
Starting point is 01:29:36 Legally blind or real blind? I can't see shit, I think. I'm not sure. But we bought my grandmother back in the day tickets to see him, because obviously she loves opera and all that kind of thing and she said I'll never buy me the tickets for that again and we said why? She goes, I cry the whole time, it's so sad he can't see anybody. He can't see anybody. I don't want to go anymore, it makes me so sad watching him up there not be able to see.
Starting point is 01:30:00 Oh my god. Wow there's a lot. Ronnie Millsap's blind. Wow. Is he, he's not real blind right? You know what I mean? Let's line these fuckers up and get a fucking eye chart going. Somebody throw a ball at Ronnie Millsap. What are we talking? You only reading the first line, can you read the third? Can he drive or can he not? You know what I mean? Oh yeah drive is that. Ronnie Millsap is blind holy fuck can't see shit I've never drive I've never seen the guy I don't know I've heard his music I've never seen his face he's wearing sunglasses all the time there you go must've got hit and kicked in the fucking head or something he's born fucked up maybe he said it was a
Starting point is 01:30:40 punishment from God he said that yeah? Yeah. What'd he do? It's actually a punishment to his mom for shunning him. What? So hold on. Yeah. I'd like to say if there is a God I'd like to say please don't punish me for dumb shit my parents do. Don't punish me about her dumb bullshit. What the fuck is that? You think they'd make him be able to see great? Wow he learned to braille at age six. That's how I know there's no God. Yeah. Right there. That's how I know. That's how I know there's no God. Yeah. Right there. That's how I know. That's how I know. He wouldn't punish his mom by making a child blind.
Starting point is 01:31:09 Jesus. There, now you have a blind child. Punishment for you. He lost the remnants of his sight after a blow from a teacher at school? Jesus Christ. Getting punched? You extra blinded my kid?
Starting point is 01:31:22 My son's blind. You punched him, and now he's really blind now. He's super fucking blind Wow Oh my god That is fucking wild. Yeah Bocelli had fucking glaucoma James. Oh, he lost his sight like that. Yeah when he was 12 Jesus Christ, so he's seen the world. Yeah. Well, that's nice. That's fucked up. That's no it's actually good because you'd want somebody to Blot people blind from birth have no reference. So it's very hard when you're like, oh, yeah, that's blue They're like what is blue doesn't do anything describe blue. Yeah, it doesn't do anything
Starting point is 01:31:56 You know what I mean? Like at least you could describe Yeah, like you'd want someone who is blind to have sight for a day Just so you could then we'll take it back away again but you just want to be just so it's easier for us to have reference points with them. Cause otherwise it's really difficult. All the singers before these people, James, they were all went by blind. Willie McTel. Blind. Willie Johnson. Anybody not named Willie who was blind, blind lemon Jefferson,
Starting point is 01:32:21 blind Tom Wiggins, Tom Wiggins. That's fascinating. They all went by blind whoever the fuck well blind was like a draw Yeah, like you could play an instrument in your blind. That's fast people love that shit I'm sure like if it was modern-day, Beethoven when it went by deaf ass Beethoven Music and I can't hear shit. I can't even hear what I play. That's how good I am. Oh my God, that's fucking funny. Wow. So, anyway, they faxed official complaints for this loss to the Commonwealth's wealth council
Starting point is 01:32:55 and Burke insisted he'd fight a rematch anytime, anywhere. Yeah. And that's it. Now McGee though, he's a little shattered and a little broken, so he decides to drink and do coke instead. May as well. So, the coke put him in a mood, in a violent mood,
Starting point is 01:33:11 which is what he does here. One night, here at his friend Hamill's house there, a group of people made the mistake of teasing him about his loss. Oh boy. That's not smart. Nope. Yeah, the guy wasn't a regular,
Starting point is 01:33:24 like a part of the group here And he clearly overplayed his hand a little bit already. He thought if this guy had a sense of humor He said beat by Burke. That's probably your level then McGee. That's as high up the ladder as you'll get Interesting so I even grabbed him around the throat. Yeah, you're not even in the ladder He's I'm yeah, so I'm gonna give you a chance to shut the fuck up and be done and the guy said I'm just saying You got to beat Burke if and then McGee hit him with an uppercut Of course that guy fucking fell down on the ground and they were like, oh Jesus Christ Why you doing this again one guy shouted out I think he's dead you've killed him a fuck sake
Starting point is 01:34:03 Well, I never cut yeah, and so Aiman said sit down and finish your drink the stupid cunt will be fine That's that and as the as the book goes on to say quote the stupid cunt was fine Relatively speaking yeah when he came to amen walked him into the kitchen splashed water on his face and cleaned him up he walked away the next morning with just a very sore jaw and You know little tighter tongue maybe water on his face and cleaned him up he walked away the next morning with just a very sore jaw and You know a little tighter tongue maybe so yeah, there's a lot of calls for a rematch here by the way the the Apparently it was a 115 114 score
Starting point is 01:34:46 Close so yeah, that's that's crazy British Board of Boxing British Boxing Board of Control Secretary John Morris Said that he saw it and he appeared as surprised as anyone He said I can't comment on the decision But I would be very surprised if Amon McGee is not fighting for a major title British Commonwealth or European very soon and McGee said if Burke is a man at all. He'll give me a rematch in Belfast. I'm the real champion. I won't lie down. If there's any justice, I should get this rematch immediately. Okay.
Starting point is 01:35:12 That's what he said. So, let's see. One night here, a phone call woke him up early. Yeah. And a voice said, two bastards beat the shit out of Budgie a few hours ago. That's what they said. They climbed through his window and did him as he slept on the sofa.
Starting point is 01:35:28 That sounds way worse. Yeah, it does. Yeah. I think I'd rather get beaten. I don't want to be sleeping on a sofa and get done. That sounds terrible. He said, for what? And they said, for fucking nothing. They said, he said, let's go to work. Fucking come around and pick me up. Yeah. So he, he rolled out of bed and cracked open a beer and got ready to go. Oh boy Yeah, he's gonna go he likes to drink when he fights. It's not a bad plan So what you can't feel it puts on his steel-toed boots. Yeah, and
Starting point is 01:35:55 That's that budgie. I guess was friends with Amon since they were kids and there was that so That's going on now two men knocked on the first guy's door, forced their way in. They kicked and punched him until he was unconscious in a bloody heap. Then they found the second guy on Arredoyne Avenue and beat the living shit out of him. So yeah, that's interesting.
Starting point is 01:36:18 He was, Aiman's drinking beer. And then Aiman said, that wasn't fair. Why not? He said, we really hammered that bastard outside there there and it makes me think we let the other cunt off lightly on the comfort of His nice carpeted hallway. We left this guy on the sidewalk. You know what I mean? So he said come on, we're not done yet and they went to the first guy's house again. Yeah He was still you know injured and shit and they beat the shit out of him more, and then the guy was like, okay, that's enough. That'll do it. That's about even.
Starting point is 01:36:48 He likes things to be even. That's just all it is. Evidently. And they just said, that's kinda how people handle shit in Ardoyne. They beat the shit out of each other and attack each other, and that's that. So anyway, he's doing all of this shit there.
Starting point is 01:37:02 The cops are also wanting to bust him, though. He's becoming a famous boxer here But they thought maybe they were running out of time to get him because he's becoming It could be like a world famous boxer, and they can't fuck with him anymore really so they're like shit Well the people lose it because they really love him so They cornered him one day as he walked back to Hamill's house Here and four or five of these guys approached him with their batons out. Eamon fell to his knees with his hand behind his head when he was instructed to do so.
Starting point is 01:37:35 But he said, oh, they're not going to arrest me. This is something different. But an old woman said, you leave him alone. I've seen the whole thing and there's no need to be hitting anyone here tonight. And he got fucking let go. He got saved by an old lady. leave him alone. I've seen the whole thing and there's no need to be hitting anyone here tonight." Oh. And he got fucking let go. He got saved by an old lady. Nice. So he was released without charge on that occasion. So he said, I should get out of
Starting point is 01:37:51 Northern Ireland. So let's do that. So he was currently operating what is called his own illicit travel agency. What is that? I don't know. Illicit? As a no license, I guess. Do you got to have a license to book people's air travel? For a business license, you probably have to have a business to be able to take money in from other countries.
Starting point is 01:38:11 Here you can just sell shit wherever you want. Yeah, you can do whatever you want. Most places you have to like, you know, there's like an organization to ship. Here you can buy a machine gun and a fucking swap meet in the parking lot. For cash only. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, we run things a little bit differently so They said McGee travels would soon arrange a couple of weeks with the Sun on his back somewhere somewhere so Amen here they said that
Starting point is 01:38:38 This is fucking crazy They said I'll read this from the book the enterprise was the dubious outcome of a partnership between amen a genuine But dodgy travel agent in England and an even less scrupulous employee of a major high street bank It's just kind of a big scam here Yeah When McGee sold a holiday to a too good to be true at a too good to be true rate The travel agent sorted out the logistics and the banker provided the credit card details of wealthy customers to finance the deal. So they were basically they took a cut of the scam.
Starting point is 01:39:12 Yeah. The thinking was that high rollers who account whose accounts were chosen were not the type of people to notice a couple of grand skim off the balance. They don't notice that shit because they have like a gardener that has a credit card and assistant and this one's secretaries or whatever so they said that it was a good idea and they could do it so why not so he wants to go for he wants to do his own thing here so a group of five people here headed out and the festivities began in Belfast International Airport this is a man and his and his buddies here. And all the gang were all shit faced
Starting point is 01:39:47 by the time the plane is coming up here. Eamon had angry words with one of his party and the matter, something insignificant, was not resolved as they collected their luggage and walked through the arrivals hall. McGee was drunk and shit faced and angry and having a short fuse and loose on his temper here. So, um, yeah, he ended up punching a guy with an overhand left,
Starting point is 01:40:10 which isn't good. You can't do that in other countries now. And then he went out to get a taxi. So he beat a guy up at the airport, his own friend, which isn't good. Yeah. Um, he said that, um, he barely sat down when he noted that the steering wheel was in front of him and realized his mistake He said this is Spain they drive on the right. I'm in the fucking driver's seat So he said it was an honest It was honest error and he was about to switch sides when the drag Driver grabbed him aggressively by the shirt and pulled him out into the road. He thought he was fucking stealing his car boy
Starting point is 01:40:41 So what do you think happens then? So yeah, this is some Spanish guy from Spain, super pissed off and they're having all this. Now McGee is drunk and pissy and just knocked his friend out. So he punched the fucking taxi guy with a left hand and knocked his ass out. He just got there.
Starting point is 01:41:00 No shit. He has his luggage in his fucking hand. Unbelievable. He just got there, No shit. He has his luggage in his fucking hand. Unbelievable. He just got there, which is ridiculous. Um, so a bunch of the guy, the taxi drivers, friends came over there and um, you know, here comes aim and just fucking punching people. Yeah. Just absolutely punching all sorts of people. Um, he ended up being overwhelmed by the sheer numbers they said like 20 cab drivers trying to kick his ass.
Starting point is 01:41:26 He might be able to knock the first three out, but then someone's gonna hit you in the back of the head or kick you in the knee or some shit like that. They said he managed to roll free from people kicking and stomping him and grab a luggage trolley. He raised it up over his head and turned to launch it through the taxi's windshield, but they said the shift of his center of gravity caught him by surprise and he just fell over backwards with the trolley smashing on top of him.
Starting point is 01:41:51 What a scene. He's a goddamn mess. Yeah, so he got up, he charged at all these cabbies and pushed the baggage cart ahead like a battering ram. He picked it up and just used it in front of him. So he, suddenly they said his vision blurred, his vision suddenly blurred and his eyes began stinging and weeping.
Starting point is 01:42:12 Police had arrived and were corralling him into a corner with fucking CS gas. Jesus. And he struggled, he struggled and all that kind of thing. He saw a cop raise a thin telescopic steel baton Oh boy. And lash him on the other other on his leg to make him go down Yeah He was tossed in a cell for a night and went to court the next day all
Starting point is 01:42:32 Dried blood and fucking red-eyed and all that kind of shit So they said he looked like he just was pulled out of earthquake rubble basically So both his legs are all bruised up. Thanks to the blows from the baton there the judge looked at him and said Fucking slap on the wrist. I don't want to deal with you basically so he ended up doing that He recovered for a little while hanging out in Spain and a friend of his known as Basically Al's my pal is what people called him. Al's My Pal. Al's My Pal had arranged this trip
Starting point is 01:43:07 in order to smuggle cheap tax-free cigarettes across the border from Gibraltar, obviously. Eamon found the supplier on a luxury yacht and began taping bags of tobacco to his legs and torso. Bags of it? Bags of tobacco. Just sacks of it. What the fuck are you doing? Bunch of bugler to tape to your fucking leg.
Starting point is 01:43:29 Packs of cigarettes. You're right, it's packs of loose tobacco. This is tobacco. Jesus. Just strapping it to yourself, which is like some prison shit. Yeah. Yeah, this is, wow. He then donned an unseasonable full-length trench coat.
Starting point is 01:43:41 Perfect. What are you doing with all that god-fell? Yeah, that doesn't look suspicious at all Jesus Craig. Yeah, that's Goddamnit even the fucking even the the Beverly Hills Cops fucking knew that that was trouble. You know what I mean? So, uh, that's what he did here. He puts that on and and Sets out so they said five times throughout the day. He repeated the trip as temperatures and I hit the mid-30s that Celsius That's hot as fuck. Oh my way too hot for a fucking trench coat on his final jaunt He met some other people doing the same thing
Starting point is 01:44:14 Yeah Who laughed at the sight of him because he's a covered in tape and sweating and all that and one of the guys said look He said as he opened his coat an inch Why the fuck didn't you just sew some pockets into the lining like this? Yeah, what are you doing? Stupid. Why are you duct taping yourself? How about anybody with a trench coat on
Starting point is 01:44:30 when it's 100 degrees outside? Just pull them over, there's something going on. Yeah, that's a bad guy. Let's look through them, yeah. Unless they have like the flu and 105 degree fever. They're trying to break it. Yeah, either that or they're definitely doing that. So that night he had some drinks, he'd earned a couple grand for his tobacco. they're definitely doing that. So that night he had some drinks,
Starting point is 01:44:45 he'd earned a couple grand for his tobacco. Yeah. And doing that. Out of party. Yep, he's been cutting weight for a fight here. He instead of drinking beer went to whiskey because you know, it's easier. Less fattening once he's trying to cut weight here.
Starting point is 01:45:01 He drank until he passed out. Oh. Slept until his morning flight was already halfway home without him. Missed his flight. Oh, my nightmare. Yeah, there's that. That's the fucking worst.
Starting point is 01:45:11 So he basically hung out at the airport for like a day. Waiting for your next flight. Next flight. Shit. So next up, May 22nd, 99, Alan Hooligan Temple. Yeah. The Hooligan. Nine and nine coming in, 16 and 20 for his career
Starting point is 01:45:28 You ever missed a flight? I've never missed a flight. I've never missed a foot. You know what? It's still the fucking crazy I thought in the world. It's terrifying last night all I did Yeah, I slept for like fuck I had like four hours to sleep and I maybe got two hours of sleep because I kept waking up I kept having nightmares. Theyred to death you missed your flight. My body was like making my brain have nightmares not about missing my flight about Other shit, so I'd wake up, but I kept waking up looking at the phone. Oh god. Jesus. Okay. Oh god damn Jesus Oh my god. I even had the driver told me I had a guy pick me up and take me to the airport
Starting point is 01:46:00 And he was like I'll get you at 1130 your flight to one. I'll get you 1130 I was like okay fine, and then I all day long. I was like I remember I end up calling If you come earlier, and he's like you don't need to go earlier. I swear. I swear. I do really all right I'll be there earlier, and then he got me. I was a fucking hour early Let's say you gotta be at least 45 minutes early even check a bag They won't let you check it. I got through security, had fucking 45 minutes to go still. I was like, well I just fucking sweated for nothing. And it was still stressful as fuck.
Starting point is 01:46:31 Getting to the airport and getting through the airport was still stressful. And then I finally get through and everything was fine. You're like shit. You feel all rushed and stressed. God am I a dick. Just looking at 45 minutes till takeoff and I'm like, why did I do this to me?
Starting point is 01:46:46 Well you needed to get there to check your, did you check it back? No. Oh okay, then you didn't. I don't check anything. There you go. So anyway, Hooligan Temple here in Belfast, knockout in the third round for Aiman here,
Starting point is 01:46:58 he's 12 and two. Then he fights Carl Taylor again, who's now 14 and 42. He's the 16 and 142 guy here. Got him early in his career. Yeah, he did. When he was still... Still had hope.
Starting point is 01:47:11 He was still rising up the loser ranks at this point. I don't think there's hope. He's 14 and 42. Yeah, you're fucked at that point. I'd like to know, how did he start out? Did he start out 5 and 0 and thought he was... Got to, right? And just stuck around going, I got it in me.
Starting point is 01:47:24 You got to start 0 and 12. Don he was right and just stuck around go out start Yeah, don't start one and fourteen. That's wild. So this he doesn't come out for the third round No, or it doesn't come out for the fourth round. I'm sorry that Taylor does because you know, that's what he does Likes to lose so he fights Burke again Yeah, and they said once more Burke was forced to agree to a date to rematch McGee in July now once more He cried off claiming he needed more time to prepare What the fuck man knows he's gonna get beat yeah instead amen flew to England to keep himself Into this all shit here. He got in he got another fight with Carl Taylor obviously here Goddamn this Carl Taylor
Starting point is 01:48:00 Yeah, they said amen was different now than the first time he fought Carl Taylor Yeah, they said amen was different now than the first time he fought Carl Taylor Said he kept flicking a spiteful jab into the man's face from the opening bell and followed it with a hurtful with hurtful combinations Every time the opportunity arose just fucking with him just beating his ass. He could do whatever he wants with him He can toy with him. Basically. So yeah, this guy was Roughed up pretty good. So they said yet again Burke agreed to the rematch now in Bethnal Green's famous York Hall in September and this time there was no more excuses here Amen headed back to the farm back into isolation and actually trying a fucking train They said he did not want to be he wanted to humiliate this fucking guy. Yeah years later
Starting point is 01:48:40 He would reflect and acknowledge that Burke didn't actually deserve any of the personal ill will Years later he would reflect and acknowledge that Burke didn't actually deserve any of the personal ill will. He didn't judge the fight, he just fought it. He thought he lost probably. He said he hadn't robbed Eamon, the referee's scorecard had. It was true that Burke had displayed no haste to grant Eamon the rematch, but that was his own prerogative. He had a family to feed as well,
Starting point is 01:49:06 so why wouldn't he choose an easier, couple easier fights here, earn his money? So by the time, by this time, McGee held the Lancashire man, that was just him, directly and solely responsible for his wasted career. Just, it's all his fault. He picked, he pinned a picture of a smiling Burke to his bedroom wall. So it was the first image he saw each morning and the last before he closed his
Starting point is 01:49:31 eyes. Like Mr. T in Rocky three. That's what he did. That's hilarious. Oh my God. He's seen Rocky three. So they said, seeking justice. The fight poster screamed out for aim and it was more like vengeance. He told reporters the ref will be redundant this time I'll walk right through him Burke knows that I beat him last time and I'll do it again There's no doubt in my mind that he'll get a hiding In other words an ass-kicking the only way he'll beat me is if I have a heart attack The ref is redundant the ref is we don't need no because it's not gonna be over
Starting point is 01:50:03 so Burke 28 12 and to coming in September 13th, 1999. And this will be Paul Burke's last fight. Is that right? Professional tons get knocked out in the sixth round. And Amy wins the Commonwealth Boxing Council Super Lightweight title champion. Yeah. And they said that this from the first fucking bell, you knew what was going on you amen was in full control You know exactly what he was doing the other guy however. They fought last time
Starting point is 01:50:31 That's all that's what he does and that's all he does so amen had to go about it a different way And they said it was a lot of power shots, and he was just really going after me doesn't he knew the other guy couldn't Hurt him so he's like I'm throwing fucking haymakers. He hits me back. He's not gonna knock me out so that was basically the way it was. And that's what he did here. Burke looked scared to even step into range, and as a result, he absorbed three times as many punches as he landed.
Starting point is 01:50:55 Good Christ. He wasn't aggressive. The beginning of the end arrived in the sixth with a reaching left hand that followed a juttering right uppercut that drove into the bottom of the Englishman's mandible and snapped his jaw shut. As Burke dropped, McGee wheeled away, throwing a flurry of celebratory uppercuts as he went. Turning within sight of the neutral corner, his referee Dave Paris began his count.
Starting point is 01:51:16 Amon shouted over to his stricken foe with spite in his voice, Get up! I'm not finished with you just yet. Get up, cunt! Get up, cunt. Get up, cunt. Burke did get up and there was another basically carbon copy knockdown and they said finally this time they said the referee needed to physically push McGee away from Burke.
Starting point is 01:51:37 The champion rose again but when a further, almost decisive barrage of blows ordered him to the canvas for a third time in less than two minutes It was all over and that was that so Amen said I went in there wanting to kill him. It's terrible thing to say but that's how I felt I wanted to tear his head off. He was trying and then he said later on he goes I was dumb that was misplaced Yeah punch the ref Yeah, he said misplaced in any ring against any opponent, but he said, particularly against
Starting point is 01:52:07 a good guy like Paul Burke. He said, he's not a bad guy. He said he was just guilty of getting a decision that he didn't deserve, which isn't his fault. So the pair met at a British board, a British boxing board of control champions dinner a few years later and McGee apologized for his behavior. Oh, that's sweet. But he said it was just, the adrenaline was pumping. So he finally does it, he's finally a champion,
Starting point is 01:52:30 14 and two, and a champion. There it is. Now, McGee, after this, in 1999, there's a headline here from the Liverpool Echo, which is, I subscribed to that. I know you're a subscriber for years. It's, I look forward to every every issue their Sunday crossword is the best It's amazing every week cunt is in there. Oh Liverpool Echo
Starting point is 01:52:52 Well, you have to just find out which one is gonna be cunt That's that's the one that opens the door for like figuring out the rest of the puzzle You know you're gonna get a cunt at your see across you get your end you find the cunt first Like most things, and then you go from there, essentially. That's fucking amazing. So, McGee offers $50,000 for the Battle of the Irish at this point here.
Starting point is 01:53:19 McGee beats Burke and he said, I want Shay Neary so we can find out who's the best Irishman out there. Neary has only ever boxed light heavyweights, moving up to light welter, while I'm a natural light welter. If he wants money, we'll have $50,000 we can put on the table now. So he's ready to go.
Starting point is 01:53:39 He also signed a two-year promotional contract with Frank Maloney after the fight. Yeah, his other brother? Yes, absolutely. No, it's M-A-L-O-N-E-Y. Maloney. Yeah. Maloney is Italian. Is it? This is Ireland. Yeah. M-E-L-O-N-I is fucking not Italian. I don't know. Pretty goddamn Italian. He's got a great ass. You didn't know who he was six months ago. No. That was the weirdest thing ever. When I was like, you know who fucking Chris Maloney is
Starting point is 01:54:06 in everything? I don't know him by name. He's been on TV for 30 straight years. Yeah, and then he showed me his face and I'm like, oh yeah, I know that guy. That guy, Jesus. Say this face. Don't say this name. Kind of like Simon Pegg.
Starting point is 01:54:18 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. We need trading cards with these people and you can just be like, this guy. You know him. You know Chris Maloney. He's the super big rapist from fucking Oz, you know him Yeah, that's crazy that he was such a terrible guy such a bad guy in that show the biggest scumbag that show I don't like a hero today. So many so many women they love him
Starting point is 01:54:40 He went like right from that to SVU. Is that right? Yeah. Wow, like I mean, he's good. He's a good raper Yeah, we put him on the other side of that. That's what I mean. What are we? What do we make him disgusted by? His intensity means rape is in the storyline no matter what this guy's been around Yeah, it's just been constant rape talk with this guy for fucking since like 1997 nothing but rape either doing it or catching the ones responsible. Either one, it's insane. Hero or villain, but it's all rape.
Starting point is 01:55:12 So Maloney said, after seeing Eamon's good finish, I don't think near his people will rush to the negotiating table. They said it was a needle fight with feelings hanging over from McGee's previous bat with Burke. So there's that McGee said it's the worst anger I've had the difference between the first fight and this one was hate I kept telling him how easy it was and the referee didn't think much of it I decided to stay cool, but when the bell went all that went out all of that went out the window
Starting point is 01:55:40 Neary's the one we want now to find out who's the best Irishman instead he fights Rotoslav Stoneface-Gaidev. Oh boy, you don't want to fight that guy. Stoneface, that's not good. You don't want to punch a guy named Stoneface. You're not going to win. Stoneface. Stoneface here is 10 and 9 coming into this fight.
Starting point is 01:56:00 He's lost 9 with that name? 10 and 9, he's not that good and he gets knocked out in the first round Oh boy, maybe his face is stone because he did so it's just stuck in position. It's been broken too many times So he's 15 to aim in March 4 2000 Joseph Mish Mew Mow Mish Mow Mish is this nickname Yo, Mish Mish, you know what that Joseph Joseph Mish, Mishumo, which sounds Japanese. Yeah. So Joseph is not Japanese. Is it with an F? Joseph? No, no, it's not even like that. Like Eastern European. It's P.H. Makes no fucking sense. Biblical Japanese guy. I guess so. It's someone in the biblical Mish. I don't even know what that is. Wow. He's 18, one in three coming into the fight though. 31, nine and five for his
Starting point is 01:56:47 career. So McGee, uh, inquired at the weigh-in when he saw it, basically thought the guy was middle-aged. He's African, this guy. And which makes sense because the missionaries go there. That's how you end up with Joseph. That's the missionary. So he's noticed he was like middle-aged. And McGee said, who's that old boy? And he said, that's your opponent. That's who you're going to punch today.
Starting point is 01:57:12 And Amon said, fuck off and started laughing. He goes, that fella's about 45 years old. I'm not fighting that. That's crazy. But he ended up fighting him. He goes, no, that's really it. It's for the title. It's a 12-rounder in Peterborough.
Starting point is 01:57:23 And this is a contender, huh, Mish?h. Yeah, you got knocked out in the first round So not much of a contender if I might have been 45 years old Maybe so me Yuma was actually expected to provide a decent test But they said a double left hand which we talked about it developing back in the day Followed by a thunderous and sickening right hook ended the challenge 48 seconds in. This is it. And he throws a double punch. Bang, bang. Real fast and then a hook on top of it? Forget it.
Starting point is 01:57:49 Yeah, a right hook. So bang, bang from the left and then one from the right. And under a minute this fight lasted. 48 seconds. Awesome. And there was that. So done. And Glenn McCorry, who did commentary,
Starting point is 01:58:01 wondered out loud whether maybe Miyumo was a little older than his birth certificate claim. Maybe. Perhaps he's 65. 16 and two, which by the way, I just read this big article, The Scout That Found Manute Bull. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:58:17 Okay, now this scout, I assume this is where the heir up there came from? I think it's either that or Matumbo. One of the two. I think it's Manu though. Because he's seven, seven and all that kind of shit. And he's a big deal in his village. Yeah, he's a, yeah.
Starting point is 01:58:30 So I think Matumbo went back to it. Did he go back? He did. I think he did, yeah. He did, yeah. So this guy said, now this is like I said, the guy who found Matumbo, or not Matumbo, Bull. Manu Bull.
Starting point is 01:58:41 He said that now, you know, he's finally talking about him. There's like this whole big book or somebody's writing or something. And he said he was 50 years old playing in the NBA. Is that right? Yeah. He said, when I found him, he goes, he was in his late 30s, probably. He said, we just made some fucking age up.
Starting point is 01:58:56 Because over there at the time, too, back then, he goes, none of those people had birth certificates. Yeah. He goes, so if you found somebody, you just made up their fucking age. And we just said he was 20 or something. He goes, so if you found somebody, you just made up their fucking age, and we just said he was 20 or something, he goes, he was probably.
Starting point is 01:59:08 Yeah, because how old was Manu Bol when he died? They said 50 something, right? They said he was like 55 or some shit, but I think he was more like. Yeah, it would have been like 58. They said they think he was more like in his early 70s. They said, but this. He looks fucking 70.
Starting point is 01:59:23 Yeah, look at his face. This guy said, I have no doubt he was in his 40s and early 50s playing in the NBA no doubt that's amazing yeah which makes a lot of sense too why they would have him I don't know if you remember the games with him but basically he was only there to play defense yeah and shoot threes which is fucking weird because that's where they want on offense they wanted him to stay at the top of the key so he could get back on defense because he was 50 So years old he can't run back on defense age age or not that those legs are so hard
Starting point is 01:59:53 They're gonna snap Please when you don't run even bobble his son plays like that. It's scary. It's weird. Yeah So he did his threes were so he'd come from like the middle of his back. Yeah, they were weird as fuck He made six in a game before oh, yeah, yeah, 18 points in three-pointer Yeah, he's the only player in history with more blocks than points that played over more than a certain amount of time Yeah, he has more blocks than points He wasn't an off they didn't even want to play offense. These are just fucking play defense He shot six for 12 beyond the arc that night
Starting point is 02:00:25 That's funny crazy April 29th 2000 yeah He fights David Kirk. E Kirk. Mm-hmm. That's a great nickname. Kirk. E. Yeah, wonderful This guy's seven and twenty three coming in his career. He's eleven and seventy five Would you this is that Wembley Arena? Yeah 75 This is that Wembley arena Yeah And the guy must be a journeyman because it goes all eight rounds well not the distance of the eight where he goes into the eighth Round where amen knocked him out. He's like I can't go the distance with this fucking guy I'm gonna look bad so 17 and 2 now for amen next up September 16th 2000 he fights
Starting point is 02:01:00 Pavel Melnikov yeah, he's nine and oh coming into this fight. So this is a big deal here. Now, wow, his buddy, he said, only a surprise call from Callahan arrested the flow of alcohol and cocaine pills into Aiman's bloodstream. Howard Eastman was defending his Commonwealth title belt against Sam Solomon and on a Panics promotion show at Your Call in Six Days Time and Panos
Starting point is 02:01:30 Elidaze was in desperate need of a last-minute support act. He had an unknown and unbeaten Russian by the name of Pavel Melnikov ready to go and expected Mike to repay an old favor by convincing E to complete the matchup Yeah, there's also an intim an intimation that scratching his Greek as Cypriot back would now increase McGee's chances of landing a shot at a formidable WBC champion costed. Oh Fucking zoo Costu zoo the fucking is a good fighter as a champion for a long time You do the fucking is a good fighter as a champion for a long time Amen out of shape, but a need of cash accepted in a heartbeat and headed to the gym for half a week's preparation
Starting point is 02:02:13 That's not enough. No, that's fucking crazy John Breen wasn't even there as he had made the most of a rare break in the schedule to go on holiday with his wife indeed the trainer only returned on the Thursday before the fight and Immediately packed his repacked his bags for a flight to fly to London for the weigh-in with neary less than two months away Breen was privately livid that everything was being put in jeopardy against an unknown quantity just to dig a promoter out of a hole huh which is bullshit so this fight is in York Hall and it goes all eight rounds Wow he said it proved a real struggle. Melnikov was strong and a good technician,
Starting point is 02:02:48 but the problems were caused more by McGee's complete lack of conditioning, hasn't been training enough for this. So they said he looked sluggish from the start and spent the final three rounds on the ropes waiting for the Russian to come to him and hoping to land enough counters to win on points. And he does that and beats here, to him and hoping to land enough counters to win on points.
Starting point is 02:03:08 And he does that and beats here, beats him 78-76 on points. So wins the fight, Eamonn does. He's 18 and two. So November 6th, 2000, the Irish independent newspaper, this paper, Ruthless McGee primed to fight for his corner. He's finally got it all together. Finally, yeah. He's still like fucking off in his, as long as he doesn't fuck off.
Starting point is 02:03:29 Here's the thing, if you're a boxer, I mean it's not great for you, but as long as you're clean while you're training for the three months before your fight, other shit really matters. You can get reset again if you're young enough to. Later on, I don't think that's possible. If you're 35, you gotta keep your shit together all the time.
Starting point is 02:03:44 You better, yeah. Yeah, so so they said I'll read this article Ava McGee has been fighting his corner all his life from his early childhood on the threatening streets Of our doing up to the present day If ever an individual was born and bred for success in the most brutal trade of them all professional boxing It's this 29 year old Belfast man trade of them all professional boxing. It's this 29 year old Belfast man. Every fiber in McGee's sinewy frame seems to have been molded for the task which awaits him. Yet the skills McGee has acquired, the immense power he has
Starting point is 02:04:13 harnessed during more than his 20 years in the sport are only the tools of his trade. The most intimidating weapon Liverpool's Shayneary will have to face when he challenges McGee for the Commonwealth light heavyweight title is the Irishman's cold ruthless intent McGee's body may bear the physical scars of a life's early struggles the jagged gorge left by a bottle on the left side of his Neck or the gunshot holes couched into his calf, but you won't find a chink in his mental armor That's good. McGee. McGee radiates a chilling self confidence. As we sat in the cloying heat of John Breen's gym last week, the air was heavy, not just
Starting point is 02:04:49 with the sweat of the fighters, but with the promise of glory. Yeah. He said, quote, Northern Ireland is booming at the minute. Damon Kelly has just won the IBO title and come March, there should be three world champions, Neil Sinclair, myself and Jim Rock training in this gym. That's what Eamon says. So doing well. And they're, they're taking, they're taking a notice of it. They said,
Starting point is 02:05:11 did Eamon ever dream that one day he'd be part of something like that? And Eamon said, I knew I was going to be part of it. Did you? Yeah. He said, there's not even the slightest hint of bravado when he adds, I was born with a natural talent and the ability to make use of it. He does. He said, um, yeah. So he said, boxing's a business and McGee leaves more fanciful notions about it to those of us on the safe side of the ropes. He said, I don't want to be a world champion. I want to be a millionaire, but you have to fight for world titles to earn that sort of money.
Starting point is 02:05:34 Yeah. I don't give a fuck about that. I'm here for money. And so I don't. Yeah. He said, if I won the lotto Saturday night, you'd never see me in the ring again. December is that. I just need to catch up.
Starting point is 02:05:43 I'm not going to be in the ring again. I'm not going to be in the ring again. I'm not going to be in the ring again. I'm not going to be in the ring again. I'm not going to be in the ring again. I'm not going to be in sort of money. I don't give a fuck about that. I'm here for money. That's what I don't, yeah. He said, if I won the lotto Saturday night, you'd never see me in the ring again. It's as simple as that. I just need cash, yeah. Just here for the money, guys. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 02:05:52 This is my job. That's, yeah. Why do you go to your job? Yeah. We win the lottery tomorrow. You showing up? I don't think I'm gonna call you, man. No, it's me.
Starting point is 02:06:01 Oh, I'll call you. But it'll be, we'll be going to fuck around on vacation. You may not hear from vacation for a couple of weeks So I'm saying are we gonna record or what? No, so they said there was precious little room left for romance as McGee and his childhood peers literally fought for respect and survival on the Honeycomb streets of the Ardoyne Those of us blessed with the twin privileges of peace and security have no idea how the daily struggle of life under siege can blinker one's outlook and harden the soul.
Starting point is 02:06:28 So now they're like, now he's becoming like this legend. You know what I mean? Especially with the stabbing and the shootings. Oh, and everything. Everything that he's got going on. Now it's an improbable journey. They said at the time McGee declines to discuss in any detail what happened in those chaotic years.
Starting point is 02:06:44 He says, someday I plan to write a book about that myself. I don't worry There's public records some dates to dipshits are gonna do a podcast about this. Don't you worry about you don't need a book You don't need a book. He says nowadays he lives in another part of Belfast But he said it could be a different planet Yeah, I said when you're living in there, you don't realize that there's another world outside You know what? I mean, everyone knows your business and you can't say anything about anything without getting it back. Yeah, I would assume if there's walls around
Starting point is 02:07:09 and like borders, like that's a real small town at that point. And your book won't be as fascinating as this anyway. What part of your book is gonna speculate on the birth of Manute Bull? The birth of Manute Bull? Not only the birth of Manute Bull, blind rock stars. You got that going on? How much Ronnie Millsap you gonna have in this
Starting point is 02:07:26 Well, you're gonna you're gonna take the step to say fuck it Stevie Wonder a blind because we will This summer burnt born somewhere between 46 and 62 James they have no fucking idea Yeah, that's crazy. I mean they have no fucking idea Yeah, that's crazy. He's either 46 or 62. That's incredible. What do I mean? They have no fucking idea. That's a 16 year period. Yeah. That's crazy. He's either 46 or 62. That's incredible. Isn't that amazing? I can't imagine.
Starting point is 02:07:52 That's wild. That's a 15 year gap. He may have been playing when he was 55 years old. That's unbelievable. The scout said he's pretty sure he was 55 years old. That is crazy. He said, I know the guy at the time I didn't say it, but he goes, I'm pretty sure he was in his 50s and he was playing in the NBA the guy at the time I didn't say but he goes I'm pretty sure
Starting point is 02:08:05 he was in his 50s. So I competed whatever he did in the NBA look out and under the fucking microscope of he was 53 years old. What do you want from the guy? I was almost collecting Social Security. Yeah LeBron ain't gonna play at least 50 fucking three years old. His hairline is gonna look like it but he won't be. He looks like it now. I think it's about over. I think it's about over I think it's a bum about done with that. It's I think he's about done about done with it I should know I am done. I think he should I'm tired of here winning ever again I'm tired of hearing people hate him and I'm tired of hearing him defend. I'm just tired of done
Starting point is 02:08:36 I'm tired of it's not exciting. No, it's not you're not fun to watch No, you haven't been fun to watch for ten years go away. Yeah, go away. I've been fun to watch. You haven't been fun to watch for 10 years. Go away. More than that, yeah. Go away. I haven't been fun to watch since Cleveland. Be done, man. Be done. Once he went to Miami, I didn't care anymore. Yeah, after that it's over.
Starting point is 02:08:51 Who gives a shit? They needed three other guys there. I don't know. I don't even hate LeBron. I don't either. I don't care. I don't understand why people hate him. He's come in the league as a child,
Starting point is 02:09:00 which is hard for people to do. Very hard, yeah. Was great immediately, and has done literally nothing wrong for 20 years. Not a goddamn thing. And he's very funny, and he's won championships. Let him be, go away, you're not the greatest. Arrested, didn't rape anybody.
Starting point is 02:09:13 You're not the best ever. No brawny parties, none of that shit's going on. That would be it. Any of that shit. That may be coming, that's a sign. Oh, I'm sure, someday. But so far, we've heard not one negative fucking word about this guy, people are people like I fucking hate him
Starting point is 02:09:25 Oh, you would hate it if your kid was like that, huh? Successful from the beginning the hardest worker around and then successful for 20. Yeah, that'd be awful. So good at his job He got his son a job and his son is unqualified And that's another reason why people hate him. Yeah. Well, it's a reason I hate him. Yeah And that's another reason why people hate him. Yeah, well, it's a reason I hate him. Yeah His son is terrible. What how guys always have their guys that aren't that good is the eighth ninth man on the bench Yeah, always a buddy college player But neither of them make some of these other guys I'd rather watch Judd Bushler than Brawny James Arguably the worst NBA basketball player that ever played, Jay.
Starting point is 02:10:06 He's so bad. Oh, we can't say that. There's been- Brawny? There's been worse players. I've never seen so many air balls. I've never seen so many air- Oh, no, no, yeah.
Starting point is 02:10:14 He shouldn't be shooting at all. He's not an NBA player. He shouldn't be shooting at all. But I mean, his defensive energy at least is better than some guys I've seen before. He can run. At least he tries. He has no ability or skill. No, he can run. That's it. That's about it,'ve seen he can run at least he tries he cares no That's it. That's about it. He can run
Starting point is 02:10:38 Well, I don't think he's in the NBA now, I know yeah, the Lakers are done so He was playing for the way bring him back up. I didn't know they sent him down for a long time I didn't know that yeah He was all season like he was only up for a few weeks in the beginning I saw I saw several games that he was playing in and I was very mad in the beginning Yeah But I think they sent him down because I remember seeing stat lines of like him having Half decent stat lines in the G League and it's like that's the fucking G He should be having half decent stat lines for Christ's sake. He should never play in the NBA
Starting point is 02:11:04 That's just the fifth year of college at that point. It's like a storage facility. Projected to be regular player by mid-season three days ago, James. That's funny. Three days ago, that's what they're projecting. He's staying on the Lakers. How many games did he play for the Lakers? How many games did he play?
Starting point is 02:11:18 He has 2.3 points per game. He played in several games. James, he played all the way to April 6th. How many games was he again? Oh I mean, they're showing minutes playing. Yeah, he played in his no games. There's no G. Oh, I didn't see that. Sorry 24 games played 27 that's still too many. That's a fourth of this That's over for the season third of the season. That's too much because it's that'd be exactly 81 games averaging seven minutes a game That's not and two minutes two points a game
Starting point is 02:11:46 He's terrible. That's not great 31 percent free free field goal. That's not good. So bad. No, he can't Out he can't shoot at fuck it. No. Yeah, that's um, that's he's still contracted contracted What he's still obligated to play for them. They're still obligated to pay him. Well, yeah, they I mean, yeah Yeah, it must be nice Jesus Christ inated to pay him. Well, yeah, they I mean It must be nice Jesus Christ in nepotism anyway. Yeah, no shit. I mean, you know, see at least Jordan's kid didn't get thank God Thank God. They never just decided to fuck fucking Scottie Pippen's wife. He's got yet another one that was gonna play football, right? Didn't he? Hmm. He had a couple of sons, didn't he yeah? We went over this one day, too, and I can't fucking remember. It doesn't matter That's me have you ever seen his brother Michael Jordan's brother
Starting point is 02:12:32 There is footage. Yeah, I've seen it of Michael Jordan's an older brother. Yeah, he's like five ten Oh my the poor bastard, and he's fucking awesome really was awesome at basketball. He was really yeah Jordan was like Larry Larry Jordan's I could never beat that motherfucker because that motherfucker was too nasty Larry Jordan Sounds like somebody's just Michael's brother Larry Mike's brother Larry his other brother Bobby. Yeah, five nine one fifty five evidently a great basketball player I've seen footage was fucking nanny dunks and shit. He's fucking awesome, this guy.
Starting point is 02:13:06 I was like, wow. And Mike was like, man, skill-wise, he's probably better than me back in the day and blah, blah, blah, but I'm 6'6". Yeah. He's the vice president of player personnel for the Charlotte Hornets now. There you go.
Starting point is 02:13:20 Well, for the, yeah, for the Charlotte Hornets. Yeah, there you go. Now known as the Charlotte Hornets because of the Bobcats. That's Mike's team though, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he's still. I don't know if he's still part of it. I wouldn't be if I'm him.
Starting point is 02:13:31 That's fucking stupid. He's a partisan. That's gotta be so exhausting. Do we have any part of anything now? Why? Why? You have an empire of shoes. I wouldn't do shit.
Starting point is 02:13:41 You have a plane that looks like a shoe. He has billions of dollars. Billions. He doesn't do a fucking thing anymore. You don't need this. But he's a sick fuck though. He's a plane that looks like a shoe. He has billions of dollars. Billions. He doesn't do a fucking thing anymore. You don't need this. But he's a sick fuck though. He's a sick fuck. He's sick.
Starting point is 02:13:49 He's sick in the fucking head. And if you walk away from basketball, then you have nothing. He's a psycho. Then you're just a golf guy. Yeah. Golf guy that loves getting blow jobs. Because he loves that.
Starting point is 02:13:57 But that's another thing he can win at. Yeah. And he's a psycho for winning. Like that's all he cares about. He wants to play, he wants to win, he wants to golf, he wants to fight. That's how he is. He's is out for the Hornets at this No, his son is a scout for the horn. He's still incredibly involved. Okay, he has to be
Starting point is 02:14:12 Everybody on his in his family works for the fucking works for the the Hornets now I remember hearing a somebody camera where the fuck it was. Oh man a very famous NBA player Said when he was on I think it was Charlotte when Mike first got the fucking was in the ownership group So they were in all the losing streak and Mike came down and said you fucking people suck You guys are the fucking worst started telling take my fucking shoes off Take a fuck. You know my fucking shoes. He said then motherfuckers in dress pants Yeah, and a polo shirt and some sneakers and said I'm on the beach
Starting point is 02:14:47 I'm on the fucking team to you guys that we're gonna kick your fucking ass and they beat the shit That's the second team whooped the first team's ass. He said Mike fucking dunked on somebody because the motherfucker was 50 He goes we all just put our heads down. We were just ashamed of that shit like this. Why would you why would you man? Why would you want that? Yeah, so that's what I mean I don't want that but he said that's he was like yeah see that mother you guys suck He said and then we we went on a big run after that though cuz he embarrassed us all I told him to take our fucking shoes on paper. He's worth 3.5 billion. Yeah, he's worth more than that right? It's gotta be worth more than that crazy gotta be that's crazy. I'm not doing anything
Starting point is 02:15:21 That's crazy. Gotta be. That's crazy. I'm not doing anything. Anything. You wouldn't. I wouldn't answer a phone. I wouldn't do anything. I wouldn't have a phone.
Starting point is 02:15:29 I would answer a phone because I'd answer every call so happy. How's work, motherfucker? Hey, how's it going? I'm fucking kicking it, bro. How's your job? Everything great. Fuck yeah. Bet you're fucking balls it is, buddy.
Starting point is 02:15:37 How's work going, you fucking idiot? I have 3.5 billion dollars that people are going to be paying me. I'm going to be paying you. I'm going to be paying you. I'm going to be paying you. I'm going to be paying you. I'm going to be paying you. I'm going to be paying you. I'm going to be paying you. I'm going to be paying you. I'm going to be paying you. I'm going to be paying you. job. Everything great, fuck yeah. Bet you're fucking balls it is buddy.
Starting point is 02:15:46 How's work going you fucking idiot? I have 3.5 billion dollars that people know about. I'm just giving you a couple million so you don't have to go to that fucking job anymore just because I want you to come hang out with us when we go to that fucking Tahiti or some shit. Just start buying friends at that point. You don't need to work anymore. Oh man. Just start buying friends at that point. You don't need to work anymore. Here.
Starting point is 02:16:05 Oh man. Jesus. So anyway, we'll finish this up right here. All right. He, this is, let's see here. What's he got? What is this? Is he worth 3.5 billion?
Starting point is 02:16:16 No, no. The Neary fight here. Oh. Okay, this is when we get into the Neary fight. So we will, or did we already cover the Neary fight. I got so lost on Michael Jordan's have like Pavlik yeah, like yeah, it was a lot of fighting nearie next right here and fucking find out now Yeah, yeah, if I'm Alec melancholy or whatever that was all right, right? That's a public right public melancholy. Yes Yeah, yeah that guy so anyway here we go so nearie now. Where is that now? I lost it of course yeah
Starting point is 02:16:46 Yeah, there we go. Okay now. He's gonna fight him and That's that's how this goes and that's supposed to be a big fight Yes, apparently here the book says it was clear that the fight needed little promotion to be a commercial success but with one eye on the limitless potential of pay-per-view sales and the other on antagonizing Neary, Eamon did his bit to draw attention to the showdown regardless. Despite being born and bred in Liverpool, Neary was fiercely proud of his Irish ancestry and marched to the ring to the tune of the Irish Rover in a blaze of green, white and orange.
Starting point is 02:17:19 Though he was entitled to self-identity as he pleased the Irish stick Stick jarred somewhat with the fact that near he was an ex-british Soldier and even served as an infantryman with the King's regiment on the streets of Derry in the early 1990s I was like don't say you're Irish if you're doing that shit It was an open goal for McGee to attack and he gleefully labeled his opponent as a plastic patty and as an Irish as Irish as Tony Cas Cascarino who's obviously Italian and very not Irish The recently retired Irish football player who just weeks before had admitted in his autobiography that he had no Irish blood whatsoever The taunts I could have told you from his last name probably yeah. Yeah. Hey, I'm Tony cascarino. You're not Irish
Starting point is 02:18:04 Are you the first thing I'd say the taunts injected an added dose of enemy to the usual pre-flight shenanigans that continued right up until weigh-in while Neary was forced to strip naked to scale two ounces under the limit McGee arrived late a half pound overweight and swaggered around sporting a t-shirt with the logo 100% Irish blast across it. Neary's manager was so was enraged and lambasted the McGee's camps, perceived unprofessionalism, but Eamon returned 30 minutes later, having shed the necessary excess with little fuss in a nearby sauna. Highland, who was the manager there, was perhaps feeling the pressure having allegedly made a fifty thousand dollar bet with panos a lot ace on the?
Starting point is 02:18:47 Outcome of the fight or Elia days as always McGee was nervous but confident he welcomed the onset of fluttering butterfly wings in the pit of his stomach and So there's the biggest fight of his career Near he was the best light welterweight in the British Isles and had been a world champion just seven months earlier here. And so November 11, 2000, Shay the Shamrock Express Neary, he's leaning hard into that Irish shit. 23-1 he comes in here. So not too fucking bad.
Starting point is 02:19:21 This is in Belfast at the Waterfront Hall and that's how this goes, man. too fucking bad. Very impressive. This is in Belfast at the waterfront hall and that's how this goes man and Amon's walkout tune not an Irish tune actually. No? Well this may be an Irish tune If you sang it with a broke The Baja Men's who let the dogs out. Get the fuck out. That's the most Irish song I can think of right? Get the fuck out. That's the most Irish song I can think of right? That's a jaunty little ditty isn't it? It's like 90. It's 2000. It's even played out. It's already over It's already over actually that's when the yeah the year before The year before was the big hool at the dogs out shit cuz that was it 99 98 99 cuz I remember the Seattle Mariners
Starting point is 02:19:59 Annoying as fuck they won 115 games that year or some shit or 110 or whatever the fuck it was But they used to play it every fucking time. They got a single they'd fucking play it over the fucking system and the whole crowd Who who who loved it when the Yankees beat them in the fucking ALCS that year shut the fuck up with your who who who? bullshit it's only a Section of that song that's any good at all for even if it if you've never heard it before and it's not a fucking joke, that little chunk is the only part that, if you listen to the chorus, it's the most fucking,
Starting point is 02:20:35 the dumbest thing that's ever been written. It's like 81 rap skills. It's fucking itsy bitsy spider. It's so embarrassing. They should be. It's like Sugary bitsy spider. It's so embarrassing. Yeah, they should be it's like sugar hill gang level rapping It's which was fine in 1977 when no one else had done it before But by 98 99. Yeah, we know how to rap you got yippee. I oh in one of your fucking verses
Starting point is 02:20:57 Shut this shit off. Yikes I remember hearing it and then they started a verse and I was like oh this ain't it what's happening? That's amazing and Americans ate it up That's every fucking person who doesn't like rap. I like that Look at that. Yeah, every mom was like every like put that on now. That's what I call music Grandma and shit would like that. They seem like nice young men See how they don't have to swear to get that point across? They're from the Baja apparently. That's very nice.
Starting point is 02:21:31 Baja is dangerous. They got street crap. Watch out for that. So as Eamon comes to the ring, the announcer says, hard, mo moody truculent and tough incredibly intimidating and that comes from trainer John Breen his face is a scowl that could freeze molten lava a lifetime on the downtrodden Ardoin estate in West Belfast has molded Eamon McGee into a very dark man. PIO.
Starting point is 02:21:59 Holy shit. So it's a big fight. Here they have Noel is in his corner here at ringside and uh, he said that he's got an anxious for a boating that Eamon was in danger here as the rounds pass by. Eamon's not doing so great. He says his brother said he was shouting himself horse. Um, so at the end of the ninth round Noel, Eamon's brother got out of his seat to run around to the ring of Amon's corner to yell at him basically
Starting point is 02:22:26 There he said you're blowing it. You're blowing it. You're gonna fucking this up. Stop it So Amon they said rarely absorbed any advice he received mid-bout as far as he was concerned He knew what he was doing out there But he valued John Breen and the rest of his corner and his brother Yeah, so when he heard his big brother, he looked him in the eye and his brother said, you're behind, Eamon, you need to do more. You're losing. You're gonna fuckin' lose.
Starting point is 02:22:51 So Eamon went out and after that, the next three rounds he fuckin' dominated because he knew he had to do it here. They said that the guy working the ringside scorer for Sky Sports that night said, McGee was two points down going into the final three minutes, but the general opinion was largely divided depending on whose team you were on. Said near he found a, fought a good fight as the aggressor,
Starting point is 02:23:12 but he never had amen in any trouble. And they said that amen landed the vast majority of the cleaner punches. They said amen through caution to the wind though, and just absolutely knocked the shit out of him around for the next three rounds. He said he was just let it all out. That's all it is. They said the final three minutes was just ragged street fighting to please the crowd.
Starting point is 02:23:32 It's just fighting and fighting as the final bell sounded. They said both men looked to the referee, but Amon strode toward him with a broad grin and he ends up winning by decision. Oh shit. 19 and two. So he does it. Wow. we'll leave it with this here They said they certainly there did certainly seem to be bigger fish to fry across the pond with with
Starting point is 02:23:55 WBC champ first of all they wanted to fight zoo and they wanted to fight zap judas Oh and w a bad wb a chance Sharma Mitchell Sharma Mitchell and the box office are Taro Gaudi Yeah, obviously all apparently within reach those are all big fights for him But they said that none of this was really working out at the time They're just trying to put this all together And they said that it was it could have been a much bigger year for him in 2001 if they would actually let him fight The fighters he should have been a much bigger year for him in 2001 if they would actually let him fight the fighters He should have been fighting. Yeah his next fights kind of against a tomato can we'll see how that goes Next time we come back and check back in on amen here
Starting point is 02:24:33 We should I'm not sure if what's gonna be one or two more parts but it's gonna be at least one more part that we got from amen here and He's got plenty more to do. Don't worry. He'll be he'll be a criminal and he'll do more and You don't think that he's just done being a criminal now. No, fuck. No, he's gonna plenty more to do, don't worry. He'll be a criminal and he'll do more. You don't think that he's just done being a criminal now. No, fuck no. He's gonna get more brain damage and then what's gonna happen. So there you go, there is AIM in part three. Stay tuned next week for AIM in part four.
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