Crime in Sports - #50 - You Can Kill With A Toaster - The Torturousness of James Waithe

Episode Date: January 10, 2017

This week, we look at an enforcer for a vicious drug dealing crew, that used incredibly brutal, and creative techniques to get people to pay up. Possibly the coldest, most callous person that... we've covered yet, he used his Olympic Judo skills, toasters, boiling water, and worse to get the message across. Let's just say that you don't want to owe him money. Another word of advice would be not to mess with this guy's car. Trust us. It's a wild tale, of a dangerous man. So much fun! Boil up some water, gather your arsenal, and torture someone who owes you money with James Waithe!! Check us out, every Tuesday. We will continue to bring you the biggest idiots in sports history!Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Tuesday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Crime in Sports!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Small Town Murder Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/crimeinsportsInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: crimeinsports@gmail.comDonate on Patreon: patreon.com/crimeinsportsPayPal: paypal.me/crimeinsports See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:52 It's streaming. You can say anything. It's an all-new season. Judy Justice. Only on Freebie. Hello and welcome back to Crime in Sports. Yay! Oh, the yay is warranted this week, Jimmy. Crime in Sports number 50, episode 50.
Starting point is 00:01:29 My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you so much for joining us. Hope you've joined us for the entire 50. But if not, you're getting in on 50. Welcome aboard. We're happy to have you.
Starting point is 00:01:39 Go back and check the rest out. But we're going to plow forward right to 100. The Super Bowl's at 50. It's at 50, exactly. We're big time now. Please, please. I think it's 51 this year. This year is 51, but we'll get beyond that before they do.
Starting point is 00:01:54 Yeah, we'll be at 100 while they're at 52. Please excuse my voice this week. I got him. Last week it was you that sounded horrible and this week I have had the week from hell I've had the plague all week was it the waterfall? it's horrible
Starting point is 00:02:12 this is the best I've felt in a week we had to delay recording a couple days just because I literally couldn't speak for two sentences without this is the best you're getting out of him this is the best you're getting out of me I'm going to best you're getting out of me and I'm going to try my best hopefully that my voice isn't too terrible and won't drive you running for the hills.
Starting point is 00:02:30 Thank you so much again for joining us. The things we put ourselves through for you people. We try so hard. We do everything we can. I was literally crying last week leaving here. I can't believe I left that shit for them to listen to and thank God people seem to be very nice about it.
Starting point is 00:02:47 They're going to be kind. But I sounded like dog shit. People are sick. They're sick. If you had me in here when we were supposed to record a couple days ago, you guys would have been like, oh, my God. Take him off the air. That's the guy that tells the story. That is terrible.
Starting point is 00:03:00 You sound awful. Listen to a couple of dick jokes from somebody sick every fucking two minutes. But somebody that's telling the story? That's bad. Fix yourself, sir. Fix yourself. Thank you guys also for all the iTunes reviews this week. So big.
Starting point is 00:03:13 You guys stepped up this week. We really, really appreciate it. The iTunes reviews help us enormously. They help us to get sponsors. They help drive us up the charts. We were really high in the U.K. this week. Thank you, U.K. So cool.
Starting point is 00:03:24 Top 40, man. To say thank you, we have a U.K. high in the U.K. this week. Thank you, U.K. So cool. Top 40, man. To say thank you, we have a U.K. gentleman, a U.K. story for you today. You're welcome. That is wild and crazy. Before we get into that, hope you like last week with Isaiah Ryder. Is that as much of a disaster as a human being could possibly be? What a scumbag. It's just one thing after another with that guy.
Starting point is 00:03:42 Doesn't quit. And it's so funny because now we're in a lull. He hasn't had a crime in a couple years. Go back and listen to J.R. Ryder. And he's kind of in a lull right now. And he's just all about the kids and the charity. But he's been there before. So when he screws up, when he screws up, we will be here with an update.
Starting point is 00:03:58 Like we have for another gentleman tonight. We have an update for you guys. I love follow-ups. This is so great. All the way back from episode number five jimmy superfly snooker yeah all the way back from that episode big goings on in the snooker case this week just to recap if you haven't listened real quick we've updated him before we have we had one update and we kind of knew what we knew and there's gonna be another
Starting point is 00:04:20 one coming in the next six months this is a this is a big one here. Let me just recap the Snooker story. If you didn't listen to Episode 5, I don't know what you're thinking, but go back and listen to Episode 5 because it's a trip. But I think it's a violent Forrest Gump is the name of it because that explains him perfectly. On May 10th, 1983, Jimmy Superfly Snooker had a little incident with his girlfriend, Nancy, Snooker had a little incident with his girlfriend, Nancy, and she ended up unresponsive in a George Washington Motor Lodge in Allentown, Pennsylvania, which is not the place you want to be unresponsive with yellow liquid dripping from your mouth. You don't want to be there. Snooker said they had been, quote, clowning around by the side of the road and she slipped and fell and hit her head. So he left her in a hotel room and just went and did his business and came back. That's what I do.
Starting point is 00:05:03 That's what I usually do, too. I see someone. I'm like, she looks like she's dying. That's what I usually do, too. I see someone. I'm like, she looks like she's dying. You snick. Sick. I want out of here. I have to be somewhere in 20 minutes, so I don't know. I can't show up with that shit on my shirt.
Starting point is 00:05:13 What am I going to do? So Snook eventually called the paramedics and took off, and the police got a hold of him, and he's a professional wrestler employed at the time by the WWE, WWF at the time. And basically, Vince McMahon, who's the owner of that, you know, everybody knows who Vince McMahon is, basically told him, you dummy the fuck up. Act like you have pudding brain and sit there and don't say a goddamn word. Act like you're a foreign savage and you don't know a goddamn thing. And it worked for 25 years.
Starting point is 00:05:38 Actually, 32 years to be exact it worked for until Snooker was finally charged with the crime in 2015 for a 1983 murder. So we covered that and we had a good time with it. It was wild. But this week on January 3rd, 2017, we had a little thing. Snooker was up for the charge and then there was a competency hearings. They were having competency hearings because he said he was senile and had dementia. And we debated whether he's just acting like he always did or if years and years and years of getting smashed over the head
Starting point is 00:06:08 might have actually caught up with him. It's six of one, half dozen of the other at this point. But this has been going on all year. This was, I think, February of – March of 2016, this was all going on, the competency things. And it was cleared up this week when Lehigh County, Pennsylvania, Judge Kelly Bannock determined that Snuka is incompetent to stand trial. Incompetent.
Starting point is 00:06:30 The third degree murder, involuntary manslaughter charges were dropped. Snuka is 74 years old. He has dementia and what they're calling chronic traumatic encephalopathy, which is CTE. Right. But they can't diagnose CTE unless you're dead and they take your head apart, basically. But they're saying he displays all the outward symptoms. The head mechanic to take apart your transmission. Yes.
Starting point is 00:06:53 Exactly. But they said he displays all the symptoms outwardly, which honestly he's been displaying since about 1975. So this is all, who knows if this is part of the act. But they expect him to live for six more months. That's what they said. That's what they're saying. He's currently in hospice care.
Starting point is 00:07:10 Fingers crossed. He is in hospice care in Broward Medical North in Florida there. So if you want to go take a gander at Jimmy Superfly. So that's where he's going to die. Judge Bannock said, quote, the court is satisfied that the defendant remains incompetent and that the court is satisfied that the defendant will not regain competence and it would be unjust to resume the prosecution. So he's just going to outlive.
Starting point is 00:07:32 He's going to outlive the charge. Wow. Unbelievable. And now his lawyer, Robert Kerwin, the second, who we know that's a junior. You betcha. Don't try to put that second by me like that's not junior, asshole. We know what you are. And in true junior form, he says, quote, I was convinced that there was zero chance the I'm trying to put that second by me like that's not junior, asshole. We know what you are. I'm junior.
Starting point is 00:07:52 And in true junior form, he says, quote, I was convinced that there was zero chance the district attorney's office would be successful from the beginning. We were very confident that this would never result in anything other than dismissal. So he's had blind confidence for some reason. And Lehigh County Attorney's aide, Megan Wyand, said, quote, we are considering our options and we'll decide at the appropriate time what action to take. All right. What action are you going to take at this point? Are you going to go down to the hospice and put a pillow over his face? What more action can be taken? Hopefully God will decide if there is one. There's nothing left to do.
Starting point is 00:08:24 I mean, it's like you're going to hymen Roth them and that's it. That's all you can do. Put a pillow over his face. Snook is also in July. He joined the WWE lawsuit. There's a lawsuit with about 50 wrestlers suing the WWE for CTE injuries. Really? Like similar to the NFL players.
Starting point is 00:08:39 Fascinating. They filed it pretty soon after that. And they were like, hey, we can get in on this too. Yeah. That's exactly what happened. We've been getting hit in the head with chairs. Yeah, we could use some money. And they've told us, no, no, no, no, really lean into it when you get hit in the head with a chair.
Starting point is 00:08:50 So maybe that's better than at least in football. At least in football they gave those guys fucking helmets. You know what I mean? Like here they were like, hit him with a coconut, which is what happened to Snooka. Unbelievable. So that is Jimmy Superfly Snooka's case. So as of right now, he is going to be him and his pudding brain are in hospice care. And Nancy will never be avenged, the poor victim of this thing.
Starting point is 00:09:14 Her family, I feel bad for, too, because I know they were really they were rooting. They were really excited to finally get justice and not quite going to happen for them. Sorry out there to Nancy's family and Jimmy Superfly Snooker. Yeah, I don't know. Good for you, bud. Salute, asshole. Congratulations. Enjoy sitting in a puddle of your own piss for the next six months.
Starting point is 00:09:32 You beat the rat, you dickhole. You beat it, dickhead. Wow, great. Good for you. Now let's get on to this week's. Fantastic. Gentleman of the Week. I can't wait.
Starting point is 00:09:40 My goodness, this guy. This is a scary individual. Yeah. We've had some guys that are just stupid. Like, Jared Ryder's not scary. He's just an idiot. He is a scary individual. Yeah. We've had like some guys that are like just stupid. Like Jared Ryder's not scary. He's just an idiot. He's dumb as fuck. That guy's a dumb shit.
Starting point is 00:09:49 I'm not afraid of him. He didn't mastermind any crime. He just fucking committed crimes and then ran. He just ran. He kept running. Constantly running. Most of the time he's like hitting women, which is terrible, but he's not like a guy who, you know. He's not well thought out crimes to benefit himself in terms of fucking monetary gain or anything.
Starting point is 00:10:06 It was like, yeah, my girlfriend is, I want my money out of my girlfriend's purse. I'm going to shove her to the ground, grab it and run away like a lunatic. Which is dangerous and an asshole. Don't get me wrong, but it's not this level of danger that we have here. This is a sick, sick man. Remember Lee Murray a few episodes ago? Huge hijack and taking all kinds of cash. Yeah, an MMA fighter who was a scary, sick man. Remember Lee Murray a few episodes ago? Huge hijack and taking all kinds of cash. Yeah, an MMA fighter who was a scary, scary individual.
Starting point is 00:10:29 And this is that type of guy that we have today. Another one of those. I can't wait. It's going to be wild. It's a judo guy, actually. Oh, really? An Olympian. Olympian.
Starting point is 00:10:36 He's an Olympian, this man. Kerrigan, Brandon Kerrigan in Baltimore, he made the Olympics or almost made the Olympics? Who is that again? Brandon Kerrigan. in Baltimore is he made the Olympics or almost made the Olympics? He has a – Who is that again? Brandon Kerrigan. Oh, yeah, I know. Okay, Brandon. I don't know his first name.
Starting point is 00:10:51 I don't know Kerrigan. He was an Olympic fighter in I think judo is what he said. Really? But his mom died and he had to skip the Olympics. He's got a – this kid's fucking life. Interesting. It's impressive that he's doing as well as he is. He's had a hell of a hand dealt to him. But anyway, he probably knows who this guy is. That's fucking life. Interesting. It's impressive that he's doing as well as he is. He's had a hell of a hand dealt to him.
Starting point is 00:11:06 But anyway, he probably knows who this guy is. That's my point. This guy, it is not impressive how well he's handling his life, this particular man. He has handled his life horribly. Horribly. I love those guys. They keep this shit going. He took his potential.
Starting point is 00:11:20 He dropped it right in the toilet and just not even a thought before he flushed it. Just watched it spin and right out to sea. No problem. Gone. Gone. See ya. It's James Waithe, everybody. All right.
Starting point is 00:11:32 James Waithe. James Waithe was born December 30th, 1961 in Barbados. Oh. A nice little island, tropical. Beautiful, right? Fucking, what's the word I'm looking for? Exotic. Exotic.
Starting point is 00:11:44 It's gorgeous. You would stay there forever, right? Wouldn't you? I would. I wouldn't leave. I wouldn't leave. It's beautiful. Beautiful, right? Fucking, what's the word I'm looking for? Exotic. Exotic. It's gorgeous. You would stay there forever, right? Wouldn't you? I would. I wouldn't leave. I wouldn't leave. It's beautiful. He left.
Starting point is 00:11:50 He decided to go to the UK. What? He said, you know. You've got palm trees and coconuts and fucking sand beaches and you're going to go somewhere where it's shit weather and bad tea? All this sunshine and bikinis. This is great, but I'm really, really just have a hankering for some boiled meat. So I'm going to get on the nearest, the soonest boat.
Starting point is 00:12:12 Why does boiled meat do that to me every time? And I'm going to go across the ocean. That's hilarious. I need my meat boiled. Boiled meat, spotted dick, and tea and crumpets. And I need to give some of my money to somebody to live in a castle and not do a goddamn thing. And all their kids and all their fucking brothers and sisters, everybody. He moved.
Starting point is 00:12:32 He said the allure of the boiled ham was too much for him, and it drew him across an ocean. I need something that was boiled and then somebody jammed cloves in it. Gross. That's what you get. So gross. It's too much barbecue here. I really, really need everything to be. Too many smoked delicious things.
Starting point is 00:12:49 No, let's not do that. Put some clothes on. Put a sweater on. Never mind. I'm going to England. I want somewhere with a scarf. So he moved to England. He moved to England as a child.
Starting point is 00:12:58 He was in Bristol. It was his main place. He grew up in Bristol. He was in the Navy early on, actually. He was in the Royal Navy. He's a hero. So he's a naval guy. And it's funny, too, because some of the people he hooks up with later on were also Navy guys.
Starting point is 00:13:12 So this is kind of a Navy-centric crime, these guys. Nothing to do with the water or anything to do with the military, but I think maybe that's how they got together or how they met or whatever. So he's in the Navy. He gets into judo at an early age. Now, there is not a whole lot. This guy, I have to say one thing also. UK, whenever we do UK stories, I don't know what it is about your media. I know, like, in this story, nothing, none of the details came out about anything until
Starting point is 00:13:40 after the case was concluded because there's laws about, and it was said, like, now that the order's lifted, now that the court's case is over, we can unleash the details on you. What? So I don't know what it is, but your report, I know you have libel laws over there. There's all sorts of different shit, but I can't find the level of just getting up these guys' asses in the UK
Starting point is 00:13:59 that they have here. That explains why nobody knows what the fuck happened to Prince's die. I'm telling you, here, if you were a backup offensive lineman at one for five minutes and you get two DUIs, I will find a hundred articles on it. We'll know all about it. Your whole back story, everything. This guy is a psychopath, and there's like barely anything on anything but his crimes and things.
Starting point is 00:14:21 That's crazy. I really had to dig deep on this one. This one, Jesus, guys, we went hard on this one. And it never just starts. No. So anyway, he gets into judo at an early age, okay? Now, so I'm not a big, like, I don't know the different martial arts, and I don't know how well everyone out there knows them.
Starting point is 00:14:38 I'm fucking in the dark. I'm in the dark. I know they do them, and I know that that's whatever. So I had to look up and find out some shit about judo, because I'm like, is that karate? What is that? Is that kung fu? Taekwondo?
Starting point is 00:14:48 I don't fucking know anything. And all that sounds the same to me. Who knows? But this is, so I found out judo is a newer martial art. It was created in 1882. And that's new? That's newer compared to the martial arts, because, I mean, you have different ones that go back centuries and all that kind of thing.
Starting point is 00:15:02 When did hitting somebody with a beer bottle get patented? That's the one I fight. I think that's the 70s. We're going with like 73, I would say, on that one. That's my style. Actually, whenever they make cowboy movies, because every cowboy movie, there'd be a fight that breaks out in the bar. So he either breaks it on the bar or over someone's head. They break it over someone's head, and then he falls and he hits the piano keys.
Starting point is 00:15:21 And as he falls, it's like, and then he falls on the ground as he's trying to grab on. That's my fighting style. That's good. This one was created in Japan, obviously. It's Judo. It's kind of a Japanese thing. Sounds right. By a man named Kano Jigoro.
Starting point is 00:15:36 Of course it was. Yeah, him. You know him. We all know Kano Jigoro. He's a hero to all of us. As a young boy in America, I grew up just with Kano pictures on my wall. Everywhere. I had huge posters.
Starting point is 00:15:47 It was awesome. Now, the object of this apparently is to take your opponent down or throw her or him down. Her. I don't know. Well, they have women's judo. That's why I didn't want to be sexist here. They have women's judo. It's even in the Olympics.
Starting point is 00:16:00 But in the 1800s, that's why they created this stuff, just to throw women around. Maybe to toss them around. Actually, this is judo, as I'll get to here, it's, well, I'll say in a second, but it's to throw them around and pin them or force a submission with a joint lock or choke hold,
Starting point is 00:16:15 is apparently how it works. That sounds familiar, doesn't it? It sounds like MMA a lot. And there's a reason for that. It's because it's said to be, judo is said to be the basis of Brazilian jiu-jitsu, which is the main MMA fighting style.
Starting point is 00:16:29 So that's UFC and UFC. So this is kind of like super early UFC, 1882, with Kano, the first champion here. He's going to fight Anderson Silva at any time in 2008. So, yeah, it's basically – and this is why I say maybe it's not to fight women. It's not like a striking thing. It's a – That's what it's for then. In my opinion, that's basically, and this is why I say maybe it's not to fight women. It's not like a striking thing. That's what it's for then. In my opinion, that's why it was created. I didn't punch her, right?
Starting point is 00:16:52 That's what it's for. Japanese guys to toss women around. Japanese athlete assholes to toss women around. Assholes. So the central tenet of it, though, is maximum efficiency. That's the central tenet. Maximum efficiency, minimal effort. That's what they say. It is called, I guess, judo translates or whatever, translates to
Starting point is 00:17:10 the gentle way, which is really ironic considering what the fuck this guy did later on. He is anything but gentle. Here is a quote about judo. This is like from the, I guess, the origins of judo. I don't know if there's an ancient judo book that they go into that's scrawled in blood
Starting point is 00:17:27 and they get this shit off of, but it's like the Necronomicon for judo. It says, quote, resisting a more powerful opponent will result in your defeat. Whilst adjusting and evading your opponent's attack will cause him to lose his balance. His power will be reduced and you will defeat him. So it's all that. They come at you. Strategy. You go back a little.
Starting point is 00:17:47 You pull. It's, you know, whatever. It's like a hand-to-hand type of. It's using the center of gravity to try to force them to be weaker, and then you win. You're using balance. You're using things like that. Sounds like a rape technique.
Starting point is 00:17:58 It sounds a little bit. But the point is for weaker opponents to be able to beat more powerful ones. So it's actually the opposite. It's actually a good thing maybe for, like, a woman to learn to be able to beat more powerful ones. So it's actually the opposite. It's actually a good thing maybe for like a woman to learn to be able to defend herself, to use an aggressive man if they try to attack you to be able to keep them. Gently disable your rapist. Gently disable your rapist. By the way, if someone is trying to rape you, you don't have to be gentle.
Starting point is 00:18:20 Don't be gentle at all. Do whatever you got to do. Rip his cock off. If this is the way that you know, then do this. But then when he's down, rip his cock off. Let's do that. Castrate somebody. So James is a badass judo man. He is a sixth Dan in
Starting point is 00:18:33 judo, which I looked all this up. Jesus, I really had to get deep into martial arts and the Olympics later on. You'll see it's crazy. And British street crime. It's wild. So his sixth Dan is like, that's the black belt level, I guess. It goes black and then you go to these Dan's and there's like six and seventh and eighth and ninth.
Starting point is 00:18:51 And they had like they had on the Internet a list of all of the like 10th Dan's and like that have ever existed. So there's only like 12 of them. So, I mean, it's not to get that high. So he's pretty damn high up in the ranking. Pretty intense. Yeah. It's like a black belt or like a red and white belt, too, you could use.
Starting point is 00:19:07 I don't know. I looked up this system. It's crazy. Is Dan a Japanese name? A Japanese word? I have no clue. Obviously, it's not a Japanese name. It's not a Japanese word.
Starting point is 00:19:16 It's short for Daniel. It's in the Bible. That's what it's for. It might be like Dan might mean belt in Japan. I have no idea. That might be what it is. I keep saying Dan, and I just keep thinking of this dude I know. That's all.
Starting point is 00:19:24 Yeah, I keep thinking of like a dude with freckles that drinks too much. That's it. Cleans pools or some shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. Yeah, that's the guy, Jimmy. You know that guy. He's a sixth Dan.
Starting point is 00:19:33 He goes out with Carrie, right, from last week when we named? I think so. Go back and listen last week to poor Carrie, the cheerleader. So he comes up, and he was born in 61. He makes the Olympics in 88. Really? He makes the 88 Olympic team. And that's the only thing I know about him is that he moved.
Starting point is 00:19:50 He was in the Navy. And these are all things I didn't even find in actual media or articles. I found I was looking deep in comment streams of kung fu or of judo forums, like judo message boards. And they're still talking about Waith? There's ones from five, six years ago. So, I mean, I'm reading. This is where I spent days looking through judo message boards to see if anybody knew him, had some information.
Starting point is 00:20:14 Super fun. It was a dream of mine, Jimmy. Oh, your face is leaking. I was sick as a dog just being like, what is he doing? Fuck Waith. So, yeah. And out of all of this, I found out that he's from Barbados, was in the Navy, and he's got a brother, Frank.
Starting point is 00:20:28 Oh. And literally, the brother, Frank. I wish his name was Dan. Me too. Oh, that'd be great. Oh, please be Dan. His brother, Frank, took me, I would say, three hours to find out he had a brother named Frank. Wow.
Starting point is 00:20:39 Where I sat there for three hours reading through shit and finally went, he's got a brother, Frank. Success of the day, I i guess i've found something and that was only because deep in a judo forum message board somebody said they knew of james but they knew his brother frank very well and that his brother frank apparently dressed like an 80s guy in the 2000s he still dressed like an he said think michael jackson thriller video he, like fishnet and shit. Terrible. Jerry Curl, leather jacket, that sort of thing.
Starting point is 00:21:09 That's what I'm looking at. So that made me laugh right there, to know that about Frank. I know more about Frank, his early life. He's his Tito, and he embraces it. He's okay with it. He's like, it's fine. I'll be Tito. He's like, I'll just start looking like him. I'm a goddamn Tito fro.
Starting point is 00:21:24 I'll be fucking Jermaine and Tito. I don't need shit's fine. I'll be Tito. He's like, I'll just start looking like him. I'm a goddamn Tito fro. I'll be fucking Jermaine and Tito. I don't need shit from you. I'll combine them. Combine them. So the 1988 Olympics he gets involved with here. All right. That's what he's doing, obviously. The 88 Olympics were in Seoul, South Korea.
Starting point is 00:21:35 And he's fighting for the UK. He is fighting for Barbados. Oh, how about that? He's fighting for Barbados. Yes. I don't think Barbados has a lot of high-level Olympic judo fighters. So he's probably hot shit on the island. It's way
Starting point is 00:21:49 than some guy named Dan. Someday there's Dan or maybe his brother Frank is involved with his jerry curl. He enters the ring or whatever in his red leather Michael Jackson jacket. He's everywhere. Everywhere. Jesus, can't get through a metal detector with this guy.
Starting point is 00:22:07 So the 88 Olympics were an interesting one. I was looking up a lot of stuff, and there's a lot of, like, political turmoil in the 88 Olympics. Well, the 80 and the 84 Olympics, there's a lot of boycotts. Remember, we boycotted, what, the 80 Olympics? Where were they at? The U.S. Was that in Germany? The 80 Olympics were, were they in Moscow?
Starting point is 00:22:23 Is that why we boycotted? I believe the 80 Olympics were in Moscow. That's why we boycotted? I believe the 80 Olympics were in Moscow. That's why we boycotted them. That would be a reason to boycott those. And then the 84 Olympics in Los Angeles, a bunch of the communist countries boycotted that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. So like East Germany and all that.
Starting point is 00:22:34 Yes, there used to be two Germanys back in the day. Right. So there was a lot of political boycott, all of this going on. And since the games were in South Korea, everybody thought that was a good time. They wanted North Korea to participate. I don't care if you don't know anything about politics or the world. You've heard North Korea is a piece of shit. Yeah, they're living in their own cave.
Starting point is 00:22:54 They made a cave and they're all sitting in it basically. And they're enjoying it. And they like it. As far as we know. Yeah, at least the government likes it a lot. The 80 Olympics were definitely in Moscow. Go on. So, yeah, they were trying to draw these people.
Starting point is 00:23:04 Thank you. They were trying to draw the North Koreans. And for some reason they've been assholes. Why do they want them anywhere? Fuck them all. I don't know. It's weird because the Korean War was in the early 50s and this was like 35 years later and I feel like they were still like, well, maybe we can all get along. I feel like it
Starting point is 00:23:17 was one of those. Forgive and forget. They're still doing it then. Now it's just like, fuck them. We don't even care. We gave up. Eat shit. Yeah, so they basically, they had these big meetings in Switzerland in January of 1986 between North and South Korea. It's a good place to negotiate anything. Very neutral. The North was unreasonable, of course. They wanted 11 of the 23 sports to be played in the North.
Starting point is 00:23:39 They wanted 11 of these 23 sports to take place in their territory, which is ridiculous. Also wanted special opening and closing ceremonies based on them. Where they get to nuke the South. Well, their whole thing always is we're going to, I guess, nuke them into us being a united Korea. That's what they want always. We're really off the reservation here, but just stick with it for a second. Hang tight. Give some world history in this shit.
Starting point is 00:24:05 Come on, guys. The North Koreans wanted a united team. That was their thing, too. They wanted to put a Korea team out there, not just South and North. They wanted it to be a united team. Because they want to win, and probably the South has a little more education and training in all this shit. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:24:19 And the North has been trying to force reconciliation on the South since the Koreans, since Alan Alda was walking around, you know, fucking with his mop top. That's what they've been doing. And the North is just really good at badminton or some shit. Probably. They probably have like one weird skill. Some strange sport that nobody gives a fuck about. Not very athletic.
Starting point is 00:24:37 No. That sort of thing. Because they have no nutrition over there. This isn't a Korean joke. They're all 5'2 and 120 pounds because they haven't eaten in three days. That's why. Starving. Starving.
Starting point is 00:24:47 So the North was offered half of their desired events, and they said, fuck you, we'll be boycotted. And they were, at the moment, they thought the only country in the world that was going to boycott, and also for some reason Madagascar boycotted. Well, that's because they couldn't field the team in anything. I feel like they're famous for a fucking cartoon movie that came out in 2008 now. And hissing roaches. And hissing cockroaches. That's it.
Starting point is 00:25:09 The rest of it is just bullshit. Horrible insects. That's what they're. That's what it is, too. Chris Rock fucking voiced a zebra for your country. Do you think that's why they did it, too? Do you think they boycotted because they were like, we can't field teams. We can either just tell everyone, hey, sorry, we don't have it.
Starting point is 00:25:23 Or we can just be like, no, we are standing up against this. We can throw a crate of hissing cockroaches on a basketball court. That's not going to win. They're not going to do it. And I think once North Korea boycotted, they were like, we'll just do it right under them in their wake and no one will notice. It's cool. We can just throw it right out there. We look like we're standing our ground on something. So I was reading so much about this whole turmoil of this, and it's in a 1987 newspaper,
Starting point is 00:25:48 the Gettysburg Times from Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. Great place. And I'm reading all of this out of this old newspaper, and I was surprised by all the Korean things, and I'm like, God, this is crazy. It's still going on now. That was surprising. But not as surprising, not as surprising as the sales, Jimmy. The sales that I found in 1987 at the Hitching Post.
Starting point is 00:26:08 It's a clothing store. They're having an 18th anniversary sale. Oh, boy. They're not waiting until 20, guys. What year was this? 87. 87, they're throwing it. They're not waiting until 20.
Starting point is 00:26:17 I feel like they were on their way out. They saw the books and they knew that shit was closing before the 19th. Let's have an 18th sale. And July 9th, 10th, 11th, and 13th of 1987. Make sure to be there, guys. Because they close on Sundays. Because they're closed on Sundays. You get 30% off swimsuits, knit tops, handbags, and sleepwear.
Starting point is 00:26:36 Oh, boy. Half off skirts, slacks, dresses, and, quote, odds and ends, whatever the fuck that is. But you get half off that. So, so excited. It's so exciting, but I don't know if I can make it on July 10th, 1987, because I am going to be at the Chambersburg Mall in Gettysburg, because there's a huge magic show that I can't wait to see. You can see W-A-Y-Z's Stacey Drake gets sawed in half.
Starting point is 00:27:00 Oh, boy. So, holy shit. I hope that that guy made a mistake. I'm going to be there. So, I'll be attending the 9th, 11th, and 13th Hitching Post sales days, but not the 10th. I really got to get to the Chambersburg Mall. Get you some Hitching Post fucking gear. Unless the Hitching Post is in the Chambersburg Mall, then I'm just taking a tent.
Starting point is 00:27:16 I'll bet it is. I can't imagine in Gettysburg there's much more than one mall. I'm taking a tent. I'll be there all weekend. So, just Thursday to Monday. Get you some World War I or Civil War. It's all Civil War shit. Oh, that's all it is probably.
Starting point is 00:27:27 It's all Civil War themed fucking slacks. Now, the 88 Olympics was actually an interesting one just because there's a lot of people who are still famous that competed in the 88 Olympics. Really? You had Florence Griffith Joyner, Flo Jo. Yeah. Everybody knows Flo Jo. Flo Jo won two gold medals back then. Carl Lewis, that's when he was winning his gold medals.
Starting point is 00:27:44 Greg Louganis. Oh, I love that. AIDS-ridden swimmer. Well, what else do you want to call him? He's an AIDS-ridden swimmer. How long did he just throw that in so nonchalantly? What do we know about him? You know. Swimmer, AIDS. AIDS-ridden swimmer.
Starting point is 00:27:56 Done. Dismissed. We only have like an hour 45 here, Jamie. Bye, Greg. Bye, Greg. Sorry. Sorry to break your whole entire life into three words, but you know what? I do a lot of research.
Starting point is 00:28:08 Did he medal that year? He was the one to gold that year. Yeah, good for him. He was the one to gold. And Ray Mercer also won gold in boxing. He was a boxer later on. Michael Carbajal won the silver. No shit.
Starting point is 00:28:16 Michael Carbajal, a little tiny boxer who I saw him give one of the best street ass kickings ever on surveillance video of a Phoenix gas station in the early 90s. You remember that scene on the news? Some guy tried to fight him, and this guy, Carbajal must have hit him 14 times before the guy even knew what the hell was going on. He was like, all right, let's go. He just lit him up like a Christmas tree. Did you forget that I fought in the Olympics, sir? And he weighs like 110 pounds.
Starting point is 00:28:42 Yeah, he's so little. I think the other guy was like, look at this little shit. Look at this pussy. And this guy, I mean, Carbajal lit him up like a pounds. Yeah, he's so little. I think the other guy was like, look at this little shit. Look at this pussy. And this guy, I mean, Carvajal lit him up like a Christmas tree, man. It was awesome. It was one of those street beatings where you're like, here's an aggressor. And oh my, here's somebody putting him right down. You like to see the aggressor.
Starting point is 00:28:57 Here's some street justice. Absolutely. Also, who won silvers that year? Roy Jones, the boxer. All boxers here. Roy Jones, Riddick Bowe. Oh, no shit. Who we'll be getting into at some point.
Starting point is 00:29:07 Fantastic. Don't worry. He had a bit of a breakdown at one point. He was kind of a dick. We're going to be doing an episode on him. I'll tell you that right now. And Lennox Lewis also of Canada was a silver medalist that year. We all know Lennox Lewis.
Starting point is 00:29:18 The wonderful British accent on him. He's from Canada, huh? He's a Canadian apparently. How about that? I didn't know that. He was born there. The Olympics are... We just learned something.
Starting point is 00:29:25 We did. We did. The more you know. The United States basketball team that year, this is pre-Dream Team. This is the one that made them go, fuck this. We're getting Michael Jordan. We're getting... Jesus.
Starting point is 00:29:35 I'm not doing this anymore. We're getting Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley. This is bullshit. Because we won the bronze that year in the U.S. With Stacey Augman. With Stacey Augman, Hershey Hawkins, Dan Marley, Danny Manning, Mitch Richmond, Charles Smith, and David Robinson, actually, when he was in college.
Starting point is 00:29:48 One starter. The rest of them are sixth men. The rest of them are a bunch of, yeah, media, a bunch of, like, decent sixth men in the NBA in the 90s. In the NBA, there are a bunch of scrubs that just got in, and they're like, yeah, send those guys so we can continue playing our season. A lot of second-tier shooting guards on that, I got to say. Yeah, no doubt.
Starting point is 00:30:04 A lot of small forwards and shit like that. It's an odd thing here. I feel like they were being nice that they weren't just going to dunk on everybody. Yeah, I don't think they could, really. I don't think it was possible. I don't think they could. I don't think they could. They were like, give it to David Robinson.
Starting point is 00:30:16 We know he can dunk. Also, Charles Smith also is another guy we'll end up talking about. Oh, that guy's great. Because he also committed a bunch of crimes. Charles Smith did? Charles Smith and I. Get out of here. I think it's the same Charles Smiths because there's two Charles Smiths.
Starting point is 00:30:27 Really? And one of them's a criminal and one of them isn't. So that'll be another great mistaken identity. Who was the second one? Because the next guy, he was the criminal, right? Yeah, he was the criminal. And there was another one, like a lower level guy, but he was still an NBA player. Because they go like ones like Charles E. Smith.
Starting point is 00:30:40 I didn't realize. Yeah. I didn't realize Charles Smith did that. And also in the 88 Olympics, they had different kinds of, the way they did it, they had medal sports, which sports you can win medals in, which were boxing, volleyball, gymnastics, diving, things like, even things like dressage horses. What the fuck is that? Those horses that dance around. You medal for that shit? That's a medal sport.
Starting point is 00:31:00 How the fuck do you medal? You can win a medal. I don't know. Make it trot and put a fucking bed sheet around it. And they pin it to the horse's forehead. Here, you won. Have that. I guess.
Starting point is 00:31:09 I don't know. Best in show or some shit? Ping pong is a table tennis. Yeah, you can medal in that. And judo. Men's judo. Really? Women's judo is what they call a demonstration sport, which is they have it, but I guess
Starting point is 00:31:22 you don't win shit. Take that, women. What is that? Good job. They go, good job, and they send you back to your country. You won't get raped. Go home. Those sports are badminton, baseball, bowling, taekwondo, and wheelchair racing.
Starting point is 00:31:36 Wheelchair racing. I didn't know they had wheelchair racing in the Olympics. Do you have to be wheelchair ridden to fucking do it? I don't know. That'd be great. You're just fucking amazing on your wheelchair. It's like, dude, I'm ripped. Have you seen my arms?
Starting point is 00:31:48 It's crazy. I can do so many things. All those years of not doing legs paid off. It paid off for me. Everybody said, you're going to do legs, you're going to look stupid. All the creatine I drank, all the bench pressing. Guns. I will flip over a wheelchair.
Starting point is 00:32:00 Guns. But men's judo was a metal sport here. And the judo events took place from September 24th to October 1st at the Chang Chung Gymnasium, which sounds like a terrible Asian joke. It sounds like someone would go, hey, where's the judo taking place? Like, it's in the Chang Chung Gymnasium. Fuck out of here. Whatever them slants are doing over there, I don't know, something.
Starting point is 00:32:21 Get the hell out of here. Sounds like a name that they gave fucking Joe's son in one of his movies. Yeah. Yeah. You're Chang Chung. Get in there and fight that guy. Go ahead. Stand next to Dolph Duggar until he needs you.
Starting point is 00:32:31 Awful. So Waith was a middleweight. This was middleweight. This was under 100 kilograms was the, was the, I think that's about 220. What's the conversion? I think, I think a kilogram is 2.2 pounds. Americans are so dumb. I have no fucking idea. Kilogram sounds fucking heavy. It's at 2.2 pounds. Americans are so dumb. I have no fucking idea. A kilogram sounds
Starting point is 00:32:46 fucking heavy. It's 2.2 pounds. 100 pounds would be 220. So he's probably around a 200. He's a big fucking guy. He's a big guy. He's a big scary man. The gold was won by Peter Sensenbacher of Austria, which sounds like an Austrian man, and the silver by
Starting point is 00:33:01 Vladimir Shestakov of the Soviet Union. And if he didn't win, he'd just shoot you. He would have been Vladimir Shestakov of the Soviet Union. And if he didn't win, he'd just shoot you. Well, he would have been shot probably in 88 in the Soviet Union. They would have taken him home and shot him. We all remember when Dolph Lundgren lost. It didn't look like things were going to go well for him and Rocky Ford. It looks kind of bad.
Starting point is 00:33:16 It looked like, oh, shit, we might not see Dolph anymore. Dolph should move to Philadelphia. He might take a.22 behind the ear. That's very possible. He should move to Philadelphia. He should move to Philadelphia with Rocky. They're a lot more supportive of their athletes there. Come on.
Starting point is 00:33:27 They are. Jesus, they supported Rocky. They'll support you, Dolph. They did in real life. That's how fucked up that is. This is three straight episodes with Dolph Lundgren talk. What the hell is going on? We're giving Dolph more pub than he's ever gotten.
Starting point is 00:33:39 He's got great hair. He's in the Expendables, I guess. So Waith in the Olympics here. I watched his one match is on YouTube, actually. It's 25 seconds, the YouTube clip. Really? I have no idea what's going on. None.
Starting point is 00:33:54 That's so great. Is he standing at the end? No. Well, basically, he's fighting a guy named Liu Junlin of China. Okay. I mean, you should really. Come on, you're from Barbados. You're going to beat Liu Junlin of China in judo?
Starting point is 00:34:04 I don't think so. No. Especially at the Changchun Gymnasium. Right. This is his home court, guys. His life is on the line. If he loses, he has to take a sword to the gut. He's not going to lose.
Starting point is 00:34:12 And he's on his home court. Right. No, it's not going to happen. He's on his home court. He's like, Changchun, I should win this. I should win this. So basically in this video, they lock up, and they kind of wrestle around a little bit while standing, and they're of wrestle around a little bit while standing.
Starting point is 00:34:25 And like they're both going for like positioning. Yeah. And it looks like they're just hanging out, like kind of hugging each other. It looks very sweet and gentle, honestly. And then Jun Lin takes Waif down. Like it looks like he had his leg behind his leg and kind of tripped him over and dumped him. And they went like outside the square. I don't know what that is, but there's this big giant square.
Starting point is 00:34:44 They went outside of that. And apparently that means Jun Lin won. That means Jun Lin won, I guess. I don't know. That's what happened. I like that you're calling him Jun. Jun Lin. He looked happy. There was a thing over there that said he won with a throw, with a T.
Starting point is 00:34:58 It said throw, and so he got 10 points for that. I don't know what the fuck that was. That's wild. It looked like two fifth graders fighting. Yeah. If you see children when they fight, they just kind of both get in a headlock and they wrestle around until one of them falls down and they noogie each other.
Starting point is 00:35:10 That's what it was like. If Jun Lin got on top of him and gave him a noogie, I would have said, oh my god, it's his older brother. Holy shit. It's his older brother. He's two years older. He's a little stronger. And now they're best friends. And he can take him down. So Waith does not medal in the Olympics, but it was a huge deal just to go to the Olympics, obviously, as we know.
Starting point is 00:35:28 And especially for Barbados, which wasn't the – they might have good athletes there, but, I mean, you don't see all the Barbados people are winning gold medals. That never happens. So I don't know. Early 2000s, he becomes the sensei. In 2001, he becomes the sensei in 2001. He becomes the sensei at a gym in Bristol. It is the Bristol Judo Club, University of Bristol Judo
Starting point is 00:35:52 Club. He's the sensei there in 2001. So, in England and Bristol. So, you can go and get trained by a badass Olympian judo fighter, so why not? You know what I mean? That makes sense. I would do that if I was him. If I want to fight that, that's where I'm going to go talk to. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:05 That's the guy. Absolutely. Has his first brush with the law in the early 2000s. Fantastic. He is convicted. Whoa. This is so weird. That's not a brush.
Starting point is 00:36:13 No. This is what I mean. Wait till you hear what it's for. It's beyond a brush. And this is not in the news at all. I literally had to find this through. It took me so... Patreon.com slash Crime and Sports.
Starting point is 00:36:25 Jesus Christ. I know nothing about judo and this, and I really got teeped this week, man. So he is convicted of assault, occasioning actual bodily harm, and arson. Whoa. Arson. Yeah. He claimed that a man damaged his car, so he punched him. That's what he claims.
Starting point is 00:36:44 Where's the fire, sir? But he claims that, Waithe claims that someone else must have firebombed the man's house later. I don't know anything about that. I beat him up for damaging the car, but firebombs, who knows? I have no idea. This is just a normal guy. I didn't follow him home to know where he lives or... Coincidence.
Starting point is 00:37:02 Yeah. Normal guy never has any trouble until this guy beats him up and then his harm gets firebombed. Jesus. So, you know. So he was convicted of these things because that's ridiculous. You Brits are crazy. Yeah. That's awesome.
Starting point is 00:37:11 These British fighters, man. That's the shit. They don't fuck around. Lee Murray didn't do that. Yeah, no. This guy is not fucking about, people. He's not. Lee Murray wouldn't set anybody on fire, set any houses on fire.
Starting point is 00:37:21 And that's the tip. This is nothing compared to what he does. He's a hard-ass, evil motherfucker, this does. He's a hard ass evil motherfucker, this guy. He's a hard son of a bitch. So now while this is going on, this is in the early 2000s. He is still allowed to compete in the 2006 Commonwealth Games, the Commonwealth Judo Championships. The English Commonwealth Games are basically an intra-squad scrimmage between the members
Starting point is 00:37:46 of the British Empire, basically. So it's like, you know, the ones that always compete that have been in all of these games are England, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Scotland, Wales. They've been in everything and then they have a few others once in a while when their empire like they have a colony and then they don't.
Starting point is 00:38:01 So some of them, you know, I'm sure maybe India was in it back in the day and now they're not so much anymore. And after Brexit, it's just going to be them. It's just going to be them. Just them. That's it. Stand in there. Well, they still have their empire.
Starting point is 00:38:12 It's just the rest of Europe they're cutting off with here. This takes place at Derry City, England, I guess. James wins the gold for England. Derry City. Did they take our advice and they're now getting into the city and they're drinking milk? No calcium. D-E-R-R-Y. We're like, nope, screw calcium.
Starting point is 00:38:27 We don't need it. Our legs are snapping left and right. So James wins the gold for England in the male 40 to 44 years old under 100 kilograms class. So that's the middleweight class. Fights take place from June 16th to 18th, 2006. In these Commonwealth Games, by the way, Australia has been the highest scoring team the most of all this. They've beaten England 12 times. Because they've got no guns over there, so they're fighting like a motherfucker.
Starting point is 00:38:54 They're figuring out how to be tough without them. Absolutely. So 12 times for them, 7 times for England, and once for Canada. Fascinating. That's interesting. Yeah, I didn't know what those were, so I had to look them up. I'm shocked Canada won anything. Yeah, really. Well, they had Lennox Lewis
Starting point is 00:39:07 back in the day. So James fights David McSkimming of Scotland, which sounds like a very Scottish-British name. McSkimming. David McSkimming. Sounds like something that is on the McDonald's menu. It does. I'll have him a skimming. Have the McSkimming, please.
Starting point is 00:39:23 It sounds like the low-fat coffee. Can I have the McSkimming, please. It sounds like the low-fat coffee. Can I have a McSkimming? It's just the shit they skim off the top of it. It's top of milk. I want a low-fat coffee latte. It's called a McSkimming, sir. Okay, give me one of those. He beats
Starting point is 00:39:39 Mr. McSkimming in one minute and five seconds with a throw, it says. That's the only records we have of how he won is a throw. Then he beats Derek Hopkins in 36 seconds with a throw to win the gold. So, yeah, good for him. He wins. So he's a badass at this point. He's a champion.
Starting point is 00:39:55 And he's, you know, 45 years old. He's still kicking ass. Wow. I mean, that's, you know, 44 because he didn't turn 45 yet, apparently. But, yeah, so what he's doing then, he's fighting, and he's doing a couple other things. We'll get into the one thing he's doing that's his main activity, but he's also a teacher.
Starting point is 00:40:11 He's a teacher. Get him around the kids. Let's really get him involved with the kids. He teaches PE, physical education, and citizenship. That's where all the weirdos. He is convicted of beating a man and firebombing his home. Let's teach him citizenship. Teach kids how to be a good citizen.
Starting point is 00:40:27 At Wythewood Community School. You guys, yeah, go ahead and, the pronunciation, I don't know how to say that. Wythewood's Community School. Tweet that shit at us. I'm trying. I got judo shit. I got Japanese, Chinese, Chen, Chong, Chinese. And you're giving us Withy Wood?
Starting point is 00:40:45 I'm doing my best here, guys. This is way too many international names and sounds for me. And by the way, PE teacher is exactly, that's perfect. That's perfect. Because that's where all the scumbags are. Yeah. And this is, I guess it's 11, ages 11 through 18. So it's like if you put like sixth grade through the end.
Starting point is 00:41:02 Yeah, the end of high school. You remember your middle school gym teacher, Jimmy? He's a weirdo, Coach Smith. He's a weirdo. They're all weirdos. Yeah, that's why they're coaching middle school gym. He called us all by our last name and said it like Michael Buffer. He was so loud, like, Whisman!
Starting point is 00:41:17 At least he got your name right. My 10th grade gym teacher. He didn't just call you Jimmy. Jimmy P! He called me Patraglio all year. The whole year. Patraglio. Hey, Patraglio.
Starting point is 00:41:30 That's not my name. That's not even close, as a matter of fact. You have not won, so to speak. He was a psychopath, though. Spelling bee was not for you. He had calves the size of tree trunks, and he used to make us run the track. I had a gym first period, and I grew up in New York.
Starting point is 00:41:45 Oh, my God. And then you had to go the rest of the day smelling like shit? Well, there's days where it's literally 11 degrees outside. Yeah, that's a good point. We're going to run three miles. 7 a.m., 11 degrees. Best of luck, Patraglia. I have a parka on and everything else.
Starting point is 00:41:57 All the kids are bumming. A fucking parka. A parka. That's hysterical. He is wearing tiny, like, workout football coach shorts his fucking balls running backwards the whole time talking shit to us talking shit to us the whole time like that's the type of that's a gym teacher that's a psych i feel like this is the type of gym teacher this guy was like what are you doing like take you down to the throw and fucking put his foot on
Starting point is 00:42:21 your throat coach smith from shea middle school is a fucking weirdo. Yeah, so he's doing that, but he's also doing something else. Now, 2007, in the Bristol area, there was a lot of drug activity, a lot of drugs. And one family kind of ran the whole deal in this little area. It was the Pierce family. Sounds tough. There's several of the Pierces. There's the main guy, who was Justin Pierce. He's kind of the kingpin of the Pierce's. There's the main guy who is Justin Pierce. He's kind of the kingpin of the
Starting point is 00:42:45 whole operation. And then there is his father, 57-year-old Philip Pierce, at the time 57, and his younger, two years younger brother, Jamie, who ran this. And then there was another guy, Ben Sherwood, who was kind of their associate. But the Pierce family were running the drug trade at that point. And they were doing well for themselves. So well, the police needed to put together an operation to figure them out. Really? They had a named operation. Operation Marin was him, was going after the Pierce family.
Starting point is 00:43:12 It's just a long investigation, basically. They really look into everything. It leads to raids in May, okay? And this raid, these raids, we can look at these numbers and then we'll compare them to later. It's an escalation, okay? Okay. This is the Pierce gang here. They raided on Justin Pierce, who was the leader, netted three and a half kilograms of cocaine.
Starting point is 00:43:35 That's a lot. That's a lot of cocaine. Three quarters of a kilo of MDMA. Oh, boy. And these guys were making ecstasy. Wow. They had pill pressing machines. Really? I'll get into the scale of this.asy. Wow. They had pill pressing machines.
Starting point is 00:43:45 Really? I'll get into the scale of this. That's impressive. It's an impressive operation and the next operation is even more impressive. But yeah, they had industrial pill making equipment, large amounts of cutting agents, heat sealing devices. I mean, they had a real operation here going. This was no shit.
Starting point is 00:44:03 They were making shit ready for market, ready to go. Also, like a dozen packages that contained cocaine mixed with caffeine and lidocaine. I don't know what they were doing with that. Just those dozen packs that they had of that were worth 200,000 pounds. Wow. So it was serious shit. Yeah. And that was just in the one guy's house.
Starting point is 00:44:19 Right. Also had a Walther PPK gun, which is a James Bond gun, I guess. And three rounds of ammo. Oh, boy. Whoa, England. That man's really, he's really gonna fucking put a hole in something. Three rounds of ammo. He's gonna put a hole in three something. It's just so funny because... Three rounds of ammo.
Starting point is 00:44:38 There was more somewhere else. There had to be. We're just trying to make it so people can't have clips with 40 fucking rounds in them at once, and they're like, he had three rounds of ammunition. I mean, he must be stopped. Like, wow. Did they check the chamber? Maybe he had four.
Starting point is 00:44:50 He might have had four. I don't even think they were in the gun. No. I feel like he had one, like, under his pillow. They were in his pockets. He had one, like, in the pocket of a shirt in his closet so nobody would see. He hid them in three different locations around the house just in case he needed them. He was a safe gun owner.
Starting point is 00:45:04 He was a very safe gun owner. Yes, he had a safe and everything. So May 2007, three other homes are raided in this time. One is listed as, quote, on the quays, which is the location. I guess the quays is probably a river, I'm thinking, or something like that. And one on Cumberland Road and one on East Dundry Road. So if you're a local in the UK, you might know where those are. Large amounts of cocaine were found in all of these addresses.
Starting point is 00:45:31 And all of them are linked to high-ranking members, all the different addresses. It was like one guy's place that he owned, one guy's place. Maybe there was a bullet at all three places. That's what he did. He had one in each. He's like, you know what? I'm going to cover my bases. I got to defend the homeland. I got to defend it against one person. And I better be really accurate. He had one in each. He's like, you know what? I'm going to cover my bases. I got to defend the homeland.
Starting point is 00:45:45 I got to defend it against one person. And I better be really accurate. I'm a crack shot. That's what it is. I'm amazing with this gun. Carries it in his shirt pocket. Like, that's all I need. Hey, look at this, buddy.
Starting point is 00:45:56 And people just go, hey, all right. Listen, all right. I get it. You got one bullet. That's all you need. Right between the eyes. I understand. Shows it to him.
Starting point is 00:46:02 need right between the eyes, I understand. Shows it to them. They also had an industrial-sized, industrial-scale factory at a business location in Keensham. We'll call it Keensham. I don't know. Whatever. Keensham. I'm doing my best. Whatever.
Starting point is 00:46:18 The searching of a van they had there uncovered a bunch of cocaine, masks, mixing bowls, respirators, face masks, and a rifle. You got to have that. But also they had like a New Jack City drug assembly line set up there also. A New Jack City. And one rifle to defend it all.
Starting point is 00:46:36 I'm sure. I'm sure I'm picturing women topless with the – like New Jack City. Right. Whenever I picture drug factory, I just picture New Jack City because that's the only real reference I've ever had. So anyway, Justin Pierce, the leader of this gang, ends up getting 20 years in prison out of this whole thing. Out of all of that? Out of all of that, he gets 20 years. His dad, Phillip, gets 11 years.
Starting point is 00:46:55 His brother, Jamie, gets three years for his role along with 17 other members of the crew who are all given three to five years each. So they took down this Pierce gang. I see Justin and Phillip as being like linchpins, like tough dudes. And then they got this little douchebag, this little idiot named Jamie. That's why he got no time. Come on, Jamie. Let's go. Yeah, you know, they were just like, he knows too much. We have to give him a job.
Starting point is 00:47:18 He was only involved because the father made Justin take it with him. He was like, take Jamie with you. Take your brother. I'm not taking Jamie with me. He knows nothing about cocaine. Jamie's an idiot. No. I'm not taking Jamie with you. He knows nothing about cocaine. Jamie's an idiot. No, I'm not letting him carry one of the bullets. I told him to get me coke, and he brought me a goddamn coke.
Starting point is 00:47:31 He's not allowed to carry one of the bullets. No, I'm keeping all three of them. He can't have any. No, you can have one, but not Jamie. He's an idiot. Sorry, I'm not doing it. Fucking Jamie. So while this is going on, James is starting to dip his nose into this drug industry.
Starting point is 00:47:48 We'll find out how in a second. But he's also teaching P.E. at another school. He's teaching P.E. at the Bristol Gateway Special School, which is a school for special needs children. Perfect. He's teaching special needs children. You can't get any more of a dichotomy. Special ed, physical ed teacher. Unbelievable. The school offers regular courses for special needs children. You can't get any more of a dichotomy. Special ed, physical ed teacher. Unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:48:06 The school offers regular courses for special needs kids. It's ages 11 through 16. There's only 80 students in the school. It's a very small school, very tiny, 80 student capacity. In 2014, the school was awarded the, quote, Youth Sports Trust Goldmark Partner Status Award. Because of him? No, definitely not because of him. In spite of, if anything.
Starting point is 00:48:27 But apparently they had a good sports program for the special needs kids, so that sounds like a really nice place and good for him for working there. Problem was, he was also doing other things. Of course. Back into the Pierce's. Teachers don't make enough money. No, I don't know. Especially as a PE teacher, I don't think they're demanding much.
Starting point is 00:48:43 No. August 1, 2007, Justin Pierce, our ringleader of the Pierces, his pregnant girlfriend, Lee Murphy, is seen going to a... That's a girl? That's a girl. Lee Murphy or Leah Murphy. Who knows how they... I think it's Leah. We'll go with Leah. She better be hot as fuck
Starting point is 00:48:58 with that shitty name. Leah Murphy, the pregnant girlfriend of a drug lord here, was seen going into a machine mart store in Lawrence Hill. The machine mart specializes in industrial equipment and garage-type things here. Also, really, one thing they have is large hydraulic presses that you need to process cocaine. And you can pick that up at machine mart. Pick that up at machine mart, and she does.
Starting point is 00:49:20 Leah Murphy orders a 15-ton hydraulic press and gives the couple's home address for delivery. So the cops are like, well, that's kind of obvious. Well, now we know where it goes. Yeah. Operation Marin. They're keeping an eye on her anyways. We're like, oh, good. They're leading us right to it. Police raid the place. They seize 280,000 pounds worth of cocaine that was being processed. It was ready to be pressed. Old Leah Murphy would go to jail pregnant, received seven
Starting point is 00:49:45 years in jail for this. Wow. Under the new operation, which is Operation Molsters. That's what they started once they put the Pierce's in jail. They started. That's like the cleanup operation to get all the rest of these idiots. Also, there's a guy named Julian Norman who was given five years for that bus, too, because he was there. I don't know who the hell he was, but he was involved. Yeah. Now, in February of 2008, Pierce was in jail at this point, but he snuck in a cell phone, Justin Pierce, and setting up another huge cocaine operation. What the fuck? He's like, well, they busted all that. Let me get this re-going from jail.
Starting point is 00:50:18 I got several years to figure this out. Yeah. Moved his processing operation to Devon and raised up like new lieutenants basically, including a guy named Aaron Cowie and Mark Herbert were his new lieutenants. So he's trying to bring other people into this. But the cops, they keep going on them. And February 28th, this new thing that he set up, this new big operation gets busted. Jesus.
Starting point is 00:50:41 When police stop a BMW on the M5 leaving Bristol, they find 500,000 pounds worth of cocaine in the car. He did all this from prison. From prison he was putting this together. Which is amazing because I can't do shit. I know. I'm free. I can't. Right.
Starting point is 00:50:56 I got to leave my house to go to a fucking job every day. I was scared I was going to die this week because I was sick and I don't have any goddamn health insurance. Literally. I'm sitting here going. This fucking guy is behind bars. Yeah. And he's got a BMW out there packed with cocaine. Packed with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of cocaine.
Starting point is 00:51:11 I'm literally going, if I, I could die if this gets worse. I could literally just drop dead. I have two children. What the fuck are they going to do? Yeah. I'm going to be dead from a cold and this is what happens here. It's ridiculous. So anyway, they find all this stuff, 500,000 pounds worth of cocaine.
Starting point is 00:51:26 This earned all these new lieutenants like Cowie and Herbert that we just mentioned. They got eight-year and five-year sentences. Some of the members flipped on the gang. You know how they do. You bust a drug gang, you're going to get 20% of them are going to just go along with it. They'll just start singing. Absolutely. So basically
Starting point is 00:51:42 at this point, man, they get into the details of it. And a guy named Stephen Meek of Cadbury Gardens in Cadbury Heath. That sounds beautiful. That sounds like candy and I want to eat it. Cadbury Heath? Those are two candy names. There are green plants everywhere.
Starting point is 00:51:55 That's beautiful. Those are two chocolate names. There's vines going up fucking pillars there. I want Cadbury chocolate now. Cadbury and Heath. There's a chocolate water fountain. I guarantee you this whole town is like the fucking Willy Wonkabury chocolate now. Cadbury and Heath. There's a chocolate water fountain. I guarantee you this is, that whole town is like the fucking Willy Wonga's chocolate factory. Guys, that Cadbury chocolate, I'm telling you, like the caramelos and the Cadbury eggs,
Starting point is 00:52:12 it's like all milky and smooth. It's so good. It's so good. England, thank you for your wonderful chocolate. It drips down your throat. It's delicious. So good. That is disgusting.
Starting point is 00:52:19 I don't think we should be saying that. You are welcome. Steven Meek was, Pierce called him his banker basically. This is a shitty banker. Meek would take money to someone who Pierce called his banker named Jason Brown who was basically a broke guy who let them keep money in the house. Okay. Nice banker you got there. That's excellent.
Starting point is 00:52:39 So Meek would go down. They would pay Meek $500 a trip to go. He would take the money, go pick it up, and go drop it off to whoever he needed to drop it off to to get the cocaine. Now, a guy named Neil Martin of Harewood Road in Speedwell was jailed for a year for money laundering also. Oh. So they had a money laundering.
Starting point is 00:52:56 They had a whole- Whole system. They had a whole system here. This is what I'm saying. They only accused Martin of keeping cash in his kitchen for two hours. Okay. That's what they accuse Neil Martin of. He gets a year for money laundering. But he kept it in his house for an hour?
Starting point is 00:53:10 Two hours? The police only accuse him of keeping money in his house for two hours. And he gets a year for that. How the fuck would you get caught only having it there for two hours? Well, his stepson, this is not stepson behavior. This is junior behavior right here. His stepson incriminated him by taking pictures of the cash with his phone and was sending it out to everybody. What an asshole.
Starting point is 00:53:32 So the police found that. You fucking. Gets this guy here in prison. Thanks. You know you're just so mad at your wife. Fucking we a rapper? Stop it. That goddamn kid of yours.
Starting point is 00:53:42 I swear to God. Fuck your kid. Your kid's an idiot. He took pictures of the cash. You've never seen money kid's an idiot. He took a picture of the cat. You've never seen money before, you dickhead? And he was sending him around. It's like, yeah, that's gonna end badly, I think. That's not great. People are gonna have some questions, you fucking dick.
Starting point is 00:53:53 Yeah, and so this is when they really get into the police and the courts. They want to take down the financial stuff here. And then we have a Judge David. That's how you fucking cut the head off the fucking snake. That's it. You yank the money out from underneath any empire that's stealing, that's moving coke.
Starting point is 00:54:10 You cut the cash flow and it's all coming to the ground. That's what it is. And it's funny too because the guy who had, what was it, Brown, who had the who had the, yeah, Jason Brown who had the money in his house that he was storing. He only had 34. That's the guy, that was the banker. That was the banker. He had 34 grand in his house that he was storing. Two hours. He only had $34,000. Oh, look, that's the guy. That was the banker.
Starting point is 00:54:25 That was the banker. He had $34,000 in his house. That's what they found him with. That's it? Not exactly a Scarface-level operation they have here. It's fine, but it's not, like I said, better than me. I don't have $34,000. No.
Starting point is 00:54:36 So Judge David Ticehurst said, quote, those who deal with the financial side of drug dealing are as vital as those who actually deal in drugs and sell them. So that's the angle the British courts are taking here. They're going after everyone equally hard and trying to put everyone down. Now, in May 2007, the police also raided the home, and this is a guy who's going to connect right into our fellow here, raided the home of 63-year-old Robert Brooks. Now, Robert Brooks is a foster care father. He's got foster kids.
Starting point is 00:55:06 He's a football coach. Yeah. But on the streets, he's known as Manchester Bob. Oh, Jesus. Which is amazing. That's the worst nickname. Hey, it's Manchester Bob. But he's essentially the florist from the town.
Starting point is 00:55:20 He's just this old, hard man. Manchester Bob. That's funny. He had all the expertise, Manchester Bob, too. I just love the name Manchester Bob. It sounds like he's a really good fisherman. I don't know. That sounds scary to me.
Starting point is 00:55:31 Manchester Bob. Anyway, they find with him, with his whole thing, with Robert Brooks' place here, not the old wide receiver for the Green Bay Packers. Right. It's a different one. Manchester Bob. In Manchester Bob's place, they find a 10-ton hydraulic press, heroin, cocaine, and ketamine.
Starting point is 00:55:49 So he's – It sounds like you just follow the hydraulic press in England. That's where all the coke is and all the terrible drugs. Call all the machine shops. Are you selling hydraulic presses this week? Also, they found 25,900 pounds, a stun gun, and a notebook detailing what needed to be set up and done to set up a trafficking spot. You never write it down, you fucking dick.
Starting point is 00:56:10 Literally a how-to manual. You essentially just took pictures of the cash, you fucking asshole. It's basically like, okay, when we set up a new operation, we need a press, we need cutting aid, we need this, we need masks, we need gloves. We need an author. It literally was like, you take it from here and go to here. It was a blueprint, basically. God, Jesus, what a dick. Written down this shit down. Yeah. Literally, it was like, well, you take it from here and go to here. It was a blueprint, basically. God, Jesus, what a dick.
Starting point is 00:56:26 Written down in his house. Unbelievable. So Brooks, they didn't catch Brooks. He wasn't home when they raided. Yeah. Wasn't home when they raided. So Brooks- He was out getting some fucking, getting his kidneys dialysis shit.
Starting point is 00:56:37 Yeah, I think- He's in his 60s, isn't he? He is down at the Hitching Post for the wild 18th anniversary 30% off sale. That's where he is. God damn it. So he takes off. He flees to Weston to help his son, who apparently had – his son was apparently a drug addict who had run afoul with a local drug crew, and they broke his leg.
Starting point is 00:56:58 Oh, geez. So he went down to Weston to help his son out. Help him walk home? Help him – come on, kid. Here's a crutch for you. Brooks is finally captured in 2008, and he's jailed for four and a half years on these counts. But he doesn't stay out of the picture. Okay.
Starting point is 00:57:15 Brooks, okay? Now, when Pierce's crew went down and was truly broken up in February of 2008, after even his lieutenants that he got from prison were busted. There was a big void in the local drug dealing scene. Of course. Those don't last long. People are going to step in, and that guy who steps up to it is Craig Rodell, who's a Pierce associate. He grew up in that gang, kind of. He decided to step up into the void, and not only that, step up the operation.
Starting point is 00:57:41 None of this fucking $500 for this. We're not talking about $34,000 sitting somewhere. We want some real cash. We want a 20,000-pound hydraulic carats. This is Rodell sets up an operation that nets about a million pounds a week. Oh, God. A week. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 00:57:57 So this is heavy. He found the real co-cats. He saw what everybody was doing, and he organized it better, and he put it out and did a better job. That's a real CEO. Yeah, he managed it. He organized it. Good for him. And he's a real wheeler and dealer, too, as we'll get into.
Starting point is 00:58:10 He's got his fingers in a lot of stuff here. Robert Brooks, the 63-year-old fleeing gentleman, was essential in setting up and continuing the network from behind bars, too. Because he was, you know, Brooks was helping rodell get set up because rodell was smart and he enlisted this guy because he's got the blueprint for how to set up a trafficking spot um he quickly sets up an industrial operation needs people he can trust and needs places to process cocaine needs those two things those are imperative i need people he found both in james waithe both of those things right Right back to our scumbag. This is so much fun.
Starting point is 00:58:46 I don't know how to tell a story. Come on here. What do you think I would tell about the pierces all night? No, it's leading up to something. Come on here. So Waithe says that he rented Rodel his apartment for 2,000 pounds a week. He just said, I don't know. It was just an apartment.
Starting point is 00:59:04 He wanted to rent it. I rented it to him for 2,000 pounds a week. He was said, I don't know, it was just an apartment. He wanted to rent it. I rented it to him for 2,000 pounds a week. He was saying, I don't know anything about it. We are not sure if Waithe lived there, but we'll get into evidence that says both. Also, Waithe was Rodel's main muscle. He would collect debts and do the threatening. That's the guy you want.
Starting point is 00:59:18 And this is the guy you want. He does it gently. He's the gentle way. We're going to get into exactly how gentle he is in a second here because he does some insane shit. It's like wild. Also, he went everywhere with Rodell as his bodyguard. He was his right-hand man.
Starting point is 00:59:31 He's big. Yeah. He's big, and he's a bad son of a bitch. I mean, he's an Olympic judo fighter. He's a regular people. He'll take them apart. Oh, sure. And also, too, he has no fear of violence, we'll just say.
Starting point is 00:59:46 He has an affinity for violence. He enjoys it. He enjoys it. He must enjoy it for what he does here. Rodell used four properties throughout Bristol, which were used to cut and store the cocaine. Money from the dealings were counted every Sunday, which is amazing, right? They counted every Sunday. Not God's men.
Starting point is 01:00:07 No, and it was always around. Sunday's the day they work the hardest. Yeah, that's what they do. And it was always around 900,000 pounds, basically, what they counted up on Sunday. He paid, what Rodell would do, he'd pay 33,000 pounds apiece for a kilo of Coke. That's what he would pay and then cut it up and then make a huge profit right uh road there's a quote here that says rodell could get his hands on just about anything he was a bit of a wheeler dealer so that's the type of guy we're dealing with very resourceful very resourceful uh another this is an informant later on flips i
Starting point is 01:00:41 won't tell you who he is yet we'll get get into that in court. But an informant says, quote, everywhere Rodell went, Waithe went. He was his minder. I knew he was an expert in judo and a bit of a fitness fanatic. So they were all like, that guy's scary. Don't mess with Rodell. That lets you know he was in fucking shape. Absolutely. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:56 They said that Rodell made about 2,000 pounds in profit on every kilo sold. Okay. Which is amazing. That's, first of all, a lot because they're selling hundreds of kilos at a time, so that's a shitload of money. And second of all, it's so funny that they buy it for 33 grand and they step on it and they do all this stuff, and that's still a slim profit margin for him personally. Yeah, two grand is not that much.
Starting point is 01:01:16 I mean, I don't know if the operation made more than that, but that's his net in his pocket. And he's going to chip that off to people. Yeah, I think that's after. That's his profit. Oh, okay. That's a pretty good scratch. That's pocketing good money when you're dealing with hundreds.
Starting point is 01:01:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's moving that much a week, a million a week. That's a lot of money. It is. And outstanding debts were brutally made right by Waithe. Oh, I'm sure. It was no doubt. Here's another quote from this informant on Waithe.
Starting point is 01:01:41 Quote, he has got a reputation for violence. He would sit down with a person and tell them to make a payment or they will get hurt. If they didn't pay, they would get hurt. And Waithe did the hurting. That was the quote. So it's in some of the things. Here's a quote. It's a one-stop shop.
Starting point is 01:01:55 Yeah. Here's a quote here about- You get your threat, you get your cash, or you get hurt. It's one of the three. Let's find out some of the things that Waithe does here. All right. Let's find out a specific, okay? Fire bombing? Quote, this is Waithe does here. All right. Let's find out a specific, okay? Fire bombing?
Starting point is 01:02:05 Quote, this is worse, I think. All right. Quote, Andy Murray was tied to a chair by Waithe and beaten by him by a set of nunchucks. Holy shit. He put a lit cigarette into his ear and stuck his hand in a toaster. I believe he paid up after that. Oh, my God. No, this is no joke.
Starting point is 01:02:22 Do you defend yourself from the nunchuck beating you're taking nunchuck beating cigarette lit in your ear i would hate to i would hate to fight a man hand to hand that has nunchucks because clearly you know what you're doing if you have nunchucks you know how to use them or you're an idiot from the 80s but this guy is like the one guy who knows how to use nunchucks that's the thing he's like the one guy you see everybody and they hit himself in the head he's the one one guy who could mess you up. I'm still afraid of the guy that hits himself. That's still gonna fucking hurt. It's still dangerous.
Starting point is 01:02:49 I don't want to get hit in the hand with those things. This guy is sitting people down and torturing them. And blasting them in the ribs. He is Michael Madsen in Reservoir Dogs, man. That's what he is, man. That's the type of guy he is. He's Michelangelo in the Ninja Turtles. That's fucking hurt. That's pain. He's scarier than Michael Madsen in Reservoir Dogs, though, because at least if you got loose, you might be able to take Madsen.
Starting point is 01:03:09 This guy's still going to kick your ass. There's no way to beat this guy. It's still over. Absolutely. Now, as far as make a payment plan, he says, quote, the payment plan meant if they missed a week, they paid double. If you missed a payment completely, you got your legs completely broken. Oh my god. So that was their deal here. But I mean, really, that's
Starting point is 01:03:30 kind of what I expect, being honest. You fuck with wrong people and you take money from the bad people. That's what happens to you. It does. You don't want Waithe coming for you saying you owe him anything. He threatened to burn people alive.
Starting point is 01:03:45 He poured boiling water on people. What? And threatened to tie people to a tree and shoot them. Have you ever seen what boiling water does to somebody? I had a friend in school whose mom tipped over a pot while she was cooking and he was a baby crawling on the floor. It covered his back. Oh, no. And it was the most vile thing I've ever seen in my life.
Starting point is 01:04:04 And it was healed. And it was still disgusting vile thing I've ever seen in my life. And it was healed. And it was still disgusting. Did he owe a little money for cocaine? Maybe that's what – Maybe his mom did. She was working for the Rodel gang possibly here. I mean, my God. Rodel told – here's one incident here where this informant, Rodel, told him and another man named Kevin Downs to, quote, fire a couple rounds at a Bristol home.
Starting point is 01:04:24 And this is Rodel's quote, which I kind of respect this. This is kind of like an old-timey gangster thing to do. He said to them, quote, leave it until late. Make sure the lights are out as there are kids in the property. Put one in the door and put one in the window. Wow. So he said, wait until the kids go to bed, and then shoot the place up. You Brits are so—
Starting point is 01:04:43 Just two. You Brits are so— Because two. You Brits are so- Because you've only got three bullets. You've only got three. We're going to save one for later. You never know. In case somebody comes out. Who knows?
Starting point is 01:04:49 So you Brits are the most polite people ever. In America, they just shoot the place up and that's it. They always hit a kid. They always hit a kid. They say, make sure the kids are up, I think, before you shoot at the house. Do it around 8 a.m. when they're watching Blue's Clues. Fill the living room with bullets. Get the living room down by the floor, too. They at the house. Do it around 8 a.m. when they're watching Blue's Clues. You fill the living room with bullets. Get the living room down by the floor, too.
Starting point is 01:05:07 They like to sit there and eat their Cheerios. These guys. Shoot them low. These guys are literally like, you know, be polite. Let's not be savages about it. You know, let the kids go to bed. Put it around the stained glass in the door, up top. Unbelievable.
Starting point is 01:05:20 And then put one through the window. Unbelievable. So they would go, this guy, this informant said they would go to any of their locations. They'd put latex gloves on and they'd cut the cocaine right there. He said they always had cutting agents on hand in every location. He called it a, quote, same-day delivery service for cocaine. Fucking. So this was a real operation.
Starting point is 01:05:40 What can white do for you? Yes. I'm telling you. Just put guys in white cars dropping huge amounts of cocaine off. This is a good quote from this informant about counting the money on Sundays. This is a trip because I've never been around enough cash to where I was like, I don't feel like counting all this cash. Have you? I want that problem so bad.
Starting point is 01:06:00 Have you ever been in an – had to count so much cash where you're like, this is going to – fuck it. This is ridiculous. This is going to – fuck it. This is ridiculous. This is going to take forever. Like that's the situation they had. I want that I can't count that high problem. I want that problem. They had this. They had this.
Starting point is 01:06:14 The quote from this is, quote, the counting would take hours. Money would be put into piles and the piles would get bigger as the day went on. Oh, you poor babies. Yeah. went on oh you poor babies yeah in in an average week there would be uh there would be 150 there would be 750 000 but there would be different amounts from 600 to 900 to a million basically just they were counting people would i guess how would you i would lose track through the fucking smile on my face this is fucking crazy can you believe this wild so the sunday i guess it's so funny because it's like Sunday.
Starting point is 01:06:46 Some people have their family over for family dinners and stuff on Sunday. He has everyone come and bring your cocaine money on Sunday. We all have. I wonder if they had a nice pasta. Nice counting party. I wonder if they had a nice dinner, too. You know they did. They fucking better boil up a nice ham.
Starting point is 01:07:00 Boil up something and get it out on the table for these guys. They work hard. But they would come in, I'm sure. I can imagine that. Sunday, you had to come in with all your collected money for the week and anything outstanding. Or put on a tea kettle. Absolutely. And anything outstanding, Mr. Waithe will get that for you.
Starting point is 01:07:15 He says about the, here's another quote here from this informer. Quote, the ingredients were always available to cut it, sell it, and move on. It was always ready on hand. And I remember one other time we sold 200,000 pills in one go. Wow. 200,000 ecstasy pills at once. That's awesome. A lot of money. I mean, that's a million dollar transaction right there.
Starting point is 01:07:33 Did they have a brand? Did they have like a goofy face on them or something? I wish I knew that. That would be great to know. These guys are such idiots and wait till you, this right here, we're going to find out exactly how big of an idiot this Rodel is. Like a big fucking bicep from Waithe on it? That'd be kick-ass. That would be awesome.
Starting point is 01:07:47 Like a judo punch. Nunchucks. A set of nunchucks. Or a severed leg or some shit. Just to let you know, hey, if I don't pay for this, I'm going to get beaten by these nunchucks. That'll fuck up your high, though, as you take that pill. I don't know about these. Rodel spent a fortune on jewelry and watches and diamonds and gold.
Starting point is 01:08:08 I hate him. That's what I mean. He was one of these idiots. He had a diamond worth one million pounds. Wow. One million pound diamond. Why would you want that? What is he going to do with it?
Starting point is 01:08:17 Just set it up there. Stare at it? There's my million pound diamond. Come on over and see it. Broke him a lot of legs for that. Yeah, maybe that's what they do on Sundays. They come over and look at his diamond. That's dinner.
Starting point is 01:08:28 He's said to have over a million pounds worth of watches as well. I don't understand. Cartier, Rolex, Breitling. None of that shit matters to me. All the big ones. It matters to drug dealers, Dan. Yeah, it does. That's why you're not a drug dealer.
Starting point is 01:08:39 Yeah. You would be a successful drug dealer if you could just have more of a taste for jewelry. Have a penchant for something gaudy and stupid. You need a penchant for jewelry. He also owned a yacht in Spain. That I understand. I'm in. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:08:51 I'm into that. He had a Porsche. I'm into that. Two BMWs and a Mercedes. You betcha. He said his silver Porsche was a special one because it raced at Le Mans. I'm in. It was like a special race Porsche.
Starting point is 01:09:02 I like it. Had the plaque on the dashboard. Get rid of that fucking diamond and buy a few more of those. No, he can't do that. No. He's not going to do that. He's got watches to buy, Jimmy. Fucking stupid.
Starting point is 01:09:13 This idiot. He's like, I'm collecting diamonds and watches. What are you thinking? Go fuck yourself with your dumb watch. Stupid. Take your money and go bury it somewhere. Then when you have enough, run away. What does a watch do?
Starting point is 01:09:25 You get a fucking watch that tells you the time. And it looks nice. You don't need a fucking diamond. You should get a Lorde timepiece. Lordetimepieces.com. You should go there. We're going to have a sponsor. They're quality.
Starting point is 01:09:38 They're a new sponsor. We'll have an ad for them next week. We're going to throw in a little free ad for them this week. They tell you the time. It's beautiful. And they look great. And you don't have to sell cocaine. You don't have to be a fucking asshole to wear it.
Starting point is 01:09:46 You don't have to pour boiling water on people's heads to. No, it's a fantastic watch. It's a fantastic. But this guy, no. I always see these drug dealers, and I always think the same thing because I'm a particular type of person. I think I'm like, oh, they're making a million dollars a week. He's making all this profit. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:02 How do you not, after like 10 weeks, go, see you. I'm out. I'm out of the way. Good night. It's over. I'm out of the way. I'm out of the way. I'm out of the way. I'm out of the way. I'm out of the way. I'm out of the way. I'm out of the way. I'm out of the way. I'm out of the way. I'm out of the way. Here's my cash. You know how do you not after like 10 weeks go see you i'm out good night it's over here's my cash you know how many lord watches i can buy with this oh so many lord washes i can order blue apron from now until forever time and be just up to my neck and mac weldon underwear it's ridiculous sorry about that everybody that's it we had to we had to we had to but i do i see these guys and I'm always like, what are you doing? Why are you doing this? It's so dumb.
Starting point is 01:10:28 Save it. Pretend like you don't have any money and then just run away. These guys act like, well, this will go on forever. You're going to have kids. Take care of them. No, this guy's like, I'm going to buy all these watches and I'm going to buy a million dollar diamond and put it on my dresser and do all this because this is going to last forever.
Starting point is 01:10:42 So dumb. They just think this can't possibly end. I fucking hate him. I'm too smart. The greediest shit in the world. He even set up a diamond selling website. What? No.
Starting point is 01:10:52 He's going to. What do you think? He's De Beers? Go fuck yourself, man. That's what I mean. It was called Rodel Diamonds. This idiot. Said to have spent a ton of money getting the diamond business up and running.
Starting point is 01:11:01 Because that's a crazy business. Because that shit costs a lot of money. Absolutely. Also owned a scrap yard. So he's, you know. I'm into that. Even if it's not glamorous, he'll do it. He just wants money. Some blue collar shit. Probably a place where you can dump things and get rid of things that you don't want anymore. And a hydraulic press to get rid
Starting point is 01:11:13 of bodies. I was going to say like a hydraulic press full of cocaine residue. You can probably dump it off there. Operations were rolling at Waite's apartment at this point. June 2009 we got to. His apartment. He's got an apartment. It's a flat. Rolling, rolling.
Starting point is 01:11:27 It's at 79 High Ridge Street, apartment seven. There you go, guys. Take a look. A tour. A neighbor, next door neighbor, there's some kind of commotion, and he thinks there's a robbery going on next door, a burglary. So he calls. He hears some nunchucks swinging.
Starting point is 01:11:43 He calls 999, which is 911. It's the emergency number. It just sounds funny. 999 in England there to report a burglary at the address. So the police respond to James Waithe's apartment to look at a burglary. Sands weapons. Guess what they find. What did they find there?
Starting point is 01:11:59 Let's run down the list, shall we? 95,000 pounds in cash, 11.2 kilos of cocaine, 738 grams of MDMA, 303 grams of heroin, 200 kilos of cutting agent, one pistol, four rifles, one shotgun, five handguns, ammunition, two air pistols, three military-issue stun grenades, bulletproof vests, 15-ton industrial press, and two tablet-making machines. And a partridge in a pear tree. Holy shit. Shit. That's what's found in your place.
Starting point is 01:12:31 And that's your PE teacher. That's your PE teacher right there. You're going to go party with that guy. Yeah, no doubt. So, wow. That's in his place. His response to this? You were thinking he owns the place.
Starting point is 01:12:42 You asked James Wade. Somebody broke in and put it all there. I don't know anything about it. Where did that come from? I rent an apartment. I rented to a dude for $2,000 a month. I don't know what he does in there, which is kind of probably bullshit because they also find personal items of
Starting point is 01:12:55 weights on the premises such as his driver's license, such as his judo outfit, which is worse than his driver's license. That is extremely personal and means a lot to him. He's not just leaving that in the thing. And also personal documents and shit you would have, you know, if you live somewhere. Why is your passport here? Why is the shit in the toilet still?
Starting point is 01:13:14 Yeah. Why is your judo outfit in the closet? Like, no. So Detective Superintendent Arthur Lewis of Avon and Somerset Police, and we're going to hear a lot from Mr. Lewis. That sounds beautiful. Doesn't it sound nice? The guy, British people, tell us if that's nice or not.
Starting point is 01:13:29 They'll arrest you and then sell you some fucking soaps. Avon, what is that? Avon and Somerset. Yeah. It sounds so nice. Sounds delicious. And they give you Cadbury Heath chocolates. It's wonderful.
Starting point is 01:13:38 He says, quote, it was very unusual to find this level of weapons in Bristol. Unprecedented, I would say. These were very serious offenses. The investigations, which have gone on for nearly three years, have been complex and difficult. Sounds like it. Because this is Operation Malbec now to get these guys. So they've had three different operations. They all start with M.
Starting point is 01:13:56 They all start with M. I guess, I don't know why, but from the Pierce's to now, I mean, this is just going through. And they got a lucky break here, too. Just somebody's like, hey, I think there's a robbery going on out there. And even the police said, by complete accident. Unbelievable. They stumbled on it by complete accident. Stumbled on an asshole. So, I mean, they jump in. James Waithe isn't there.
Starting point is 01:14:13 I mean, he's not there. He's off doing whatever, and he's saying he's not, you know, who knows where he's going. His apartment's being raided. All this shit's being taken. How much cocaine did we see? All of this stuff. I mean, I would like to know where he was. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:28 I think he was out. Maybe he got hungry. He went into a store and he said, look, open up. And he said, this smells good. And it's the shawarma man. It's the shawarma man. And he says. How is it you've come to arrive here?
Starting point is 01:14:43 Why are you here? Why are you come here? Why are you come here? Why are you come here to England at all? Why? You come from place... So beautiful. You got palm trees. You got bikini girl run around Rihanna with boobs.
Starting point is 01:14:55 Smell like ocean. You come here for boiled ham. You come here girls big sweaters on. Why, man? You want shawarma? I boil for you. I boil. You want shawarma?
Starting point is 01:15:04 I boil for you. I make a car want shawarma? I boil for you. I make. I carve. Fine. The lamb. So good. Sign say closed. Why?
Starting point is 01:15:10 Why you come? They should have told you. Sign say closed. No England for you. Go. Shawarma man's very disappointed. He's not thrilled. He is not thrilled.
Starting point is 01:15:19 He's very upset. But he also took him aside and asked him about the cocaine. Because we know shawarma man has a little bit of a problem. Little problem. Little problem. Little problem. Now, in June 2009, right after this happened, I found a judo forum comment board. Jesus, because I was looking for people that know him to talk about it. That's what I was doing, man.
Starting point is 01:15:37 It's insane. And there's a guy looking for a good place to train for judo. And there's a lot of suggestions. One guy suggested, Jim, that Waithe was a trainer at. And the way he his quote is amazing. He tells the guy that what a tremendous trainer Waithe is, says he's, quote,
Starting point is 01:15:53 not available to teach at the moment. He's predisposed. He's a little busy at this moment in time. He's got some stuff going on. That's hysterical. He's a little arrested. Did he leave the whole thing out of it? He just said he's just busy right now? He literally said the only thing, he's not available to teach at the moment, but he's great. That was his quote.
Starting point is 01:16:11 Unlike British, you're so polite. That's super polite. Not available at the moment. Major cocaine bust, and he poured boiling water on people. Terrific guy. Fantastic. Fantastic. That's so funny.
Starting point is 01:16:24 The Arthur Lewis again, the detective guy we were talking about before, you have a quote from him. Quote, it will have a significant effect on removing the threat that these organized crime groups posed to the local community, not just in Bristol, but across the Southwest. I think the volume of acquisitive crime committed by these drug addicts, for example, is always affected when you arrest those who supply Class A drugs. Yeah. They're going to be fucking going crazy. Yeah. Now they're really. Going through withdrawals.
Starting point is 01:16:50 It's going to be worse now. Yeah. Give them their drugs. You just fucked up. You just fucked up everything. Yeah. And there we have a quote from a senior district crown prosecutor, and his first name is spelled S-I-A-N.
Starting point is 01:17:01 What the fuck is that? S-I-A-N? Is that Sean in some weird iteration? I have no idea. Don't look at me, man. Sullivan's the last name. I don't know if that's like an Irish way to, I have no clue. I'm going to call him Prosecutor Sullivan.
Starting point is 01:17:14 I like it. I have no idea. I'm not going to call him Scion or Sian. I don't know what the hell to call him. He said, quote, this large-scale drug dealing operation was run like a business. And while it may have been a profitable business, it was an illegal one. Drug dealing with its associated violence and use of weapons by its practitioners causes misery and erodes the fabric of our society. Wow.
Starting point is 01:17:34 So they're really getting on this moral high horse with this drug shit, whatever. So now our informant, our informant that we've been getting quotes from this whole time. There's a guy named Grant Richmond who is a major cog in this drug operation. Not a major cog, but he's one of the guys who had to shoot into that home after. He's the two-bullet nice guy. He's one of the two-bullet nice. Well, he was instructed to go, you know, wait until the kids are asleep. Come on, wait until they read them their stories. What was his name, Grant?
Starting point is 01:18:02 His name is Grant Richmond. He turned state's evidence. He turned rat or, as they call it over there, super grass, as they keep calling it. Remember we got his super grass from Gavin Grant? Super grass means you're telling unimportant people, apparently. He said, quote, Rodell moved heroin, MDMA, cocaine, and ecstasy in big quantities. He had his fingers in just about everything, really. I was just given packages and told a name and number and when to deliver them. The first time I picked up a firearm for him, it was a sawed-off shotgun.
Starting point is 01:18:31 It shocked me because I wasn't used to being around firearms. And sawed-off shotguns are nasty. Yeah, or as they call it over there, a sawn-off shotgun. That's how they – every British article, they put an N on it, which I find – It's adorable. By the way, can we – sidetrack for one second. Can we – the U.S. and Britain were – can we, sidetrack for one second, can we the U.S. and Britain,
Starting point is 01:18:47 we've been friends for a long time now and there's a great relationship between the countries. Our relationship is very strong. Can we agree on spellings of shit? Can we do that? We're speaking the same language and I'm not saying that we're right because you guys had the language first, obviously. What I'm saying is, can we just get together, have some sort of conference
Starting point is 01:19:03 in Switzerland like North and South Korea in the 88 Olympics, and figure out when Zs are used as opposed to Ss and things like that? Because words like realize and offenses are completely different. And the U for favorite. Favorite. Color with the U. I kind of like that. I think it's kind of cool.
Starting point is 01:19:19 It feels good. It feels nice. It feels artistic. It feels fancy. But let's agree on something. I don't give a shit what it is. Honestly, if you want to spell cat fucking W-I-L, I don't care. That's fine.
Starting point is 01:19:32 But let's agree on it together and not have this problem. Although it makes it easy to tell when, where somebody wrote something. That's kind of helpful. I'm like, oh, favorite with a U. Okay, I know where that's from. Canada or fucking UK. Absolutely. So Lewis again, Arthur Lewis, the detective again, said, quote, part of our approach is to utilize all available resources, skills, and legislation the best we can.
Starting point is 01:19:52 Part of gathering intelligence allows us to reward people who come forward with information and intelligence which we can build investigations on. This is about informants. Now, this is a new thing that they were paying informants back then in Avon and Somerset. In one year, they spent over $66,000 on informants. Holy shit. So that's the only thing that I don't know about. Do you remember in the Gavin Grant case, people got off because people did not believe the informants.
Starting point is 01:20:20 They were like, well, he's a rat, and I don't know if he just said that to save his own ass. This doesn't happen in this case. They believe this guy. He's got details and dates and names. But he makes money from it. He makes money. Here, you get time off your sentence. That's your payment. They do that also, but then they pay people for information, and they do that here, too. Do they? Cops will do that, too. Oh, they have informants. It's not thousands, but they've got a guy, they'll throw him $40. You need to watch the wire, Jimmy.
Starting point is 01:20:46 God damn it. Get in there. I'm going to get into that. I didn't realize that was what we were doing there. I thought it was just time off. No, they do that. And they'll also, well, mainly it's not like when you're arrested. Pay your electric bill or some shit.
Starting point is 01:20:55 When you're arrested, they're not going to give you anything. Then you're getting time off your sentence. But if you're just an informer and they want some information. You're just running the street. They'll throw you 500 bucks for a tip on over here. If the tip pays off, they'll give you a little more. It's one of those things. I'm going to start figuring some shit out around this town.
Starting point is 01:21:09 You should. There's people that make a living doing that. And there's a lot of people in jail under false convictions because people got paid to say that it was them. Listen, man. That happens a lot. Keep your nose clean. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:23 Don't come around me because if I hear some shit about you, I'm singing. I'm singing, God damn it. I'm calling 999 right now. If it's going to pay my car payment, fuck yeah, man. I'm tired of making this payment. Jimmy's a rat. Unbelievable. Damn it, Jimmy.
Starting point is 01:21:33 I can't trust you. You can buy me. I'm hiding my index cards now from you, you rat bastard. So Robert Brooks here, our elder statesman, the 63-year-old man who was the mastermind kind of the operation with his notebook, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to supply cocaine. He is already serving four and a half years for the Pierce case and he's to be sentenced more on that. Rodell, Craig Rodell, the gang's leader, admitted to conspiracy to supply cocaine and possession of firearms with intent to endanger life and possession of explosives. Wow.
Starting point is 01:22:05 He pleaded to a lot. And Richmond, Grant Richmond, the informant, pleaded guilty as part of the deal. And who knows what he got. He got a bunch of shit knocked off. In court, Waithe testified. What? Which is awesome. Waithe testifies.
Starting point is 01:22:18 Under cross-examination from the prosecutor there, Stephen Mooney, he said that he paid $300 a month in mortgage for the flat, and he hasn't lived there since 2005. He sits there. He's like, I don't know what you're saying. I make a profit. That's it. I pay $300 for the mortgage, and I rent it out for $2,000,
Starting point is 01:22:35 and I'm happy with that, and I don't know what you're talking about. It's like, well, why is your judo outfit there, you jackass? So I'm not buying that shit at all. No. Not at all. It's not a good enough story. No, it's not. It's not a good enough story. No, it's not. It sounds stupid.
Starting point is 01:22:46 It sounds stupid. Now, in court, prosecutors— Who is—real quick. Here's why it sounds stupid. Yes. Because if you're paying $300 for something, you're not renting that shit for two grand a month. No. Nobody's paying that.
Starting point is 01:22:58 That's ridiculous. I would have liked to see the full testimony where the prosecutor says, you didn't think it was odd that they were willing to pay five know five times market value for this house like bullshit right like why so who would do that i have no idea so yeah that's that's one of the things i think that sounds silly is why would they pay you two thousand dollars a month and you just you just didn't know anything was going on right you just said wow they're just suckers they're dumb i'm gonna these hardcore drug dealers are just suckers. I'm going to rip them off. Good.
Starting point is 01:23:26 Like, no, you don't do that. These people are shitloads of cocaine. Shitloads of shotguns and stun grenades. And if they're that dumb, I'm not trusting my prized judo outfit with them. No, that's the other thing. I'm not leaving that shit lying around. Christ almighty. And my passport?
Starting point is 01:23:40 Fuck that. Who knows? Yeah, that's the thing. So I'm not buying any of that bullshit. Now, a prosecutor's accused him of torturing a man who stole a laptop, two Nokia phones, two digital cameras, and two batteries from his home. He contested. Now, on the stand, Waithe contested his reputation as a violent person.
Starting point is 01:23:57 He said, I'm not a violent person. And we have a one in their own words. Okay. And it's from court. The only time he talked. This is the only time we have a quote from him and it's a beaut. It really is.
Starting point is 01:24:07 This is worth it. This is worth one statement. It's amazing. Here is, in their own words, James Waithe in court testifying. My goodness, buckle up.
Starting point is 01:24:18 Unbelievable, man. Okay, in their own words, quote, I'm a forgiving man. If you owed me money, I can't force you to pay me. I didn't pour boiling water on anyone. I didn't assault anyone in any way, shape, I'm a forgiving man. If you owed me money, I can't force you to pay me. I didn't pour boiling water
Starting point is 01:24:25 on anyone. I didn't assault anyone in any way, shape, or form. I asked the one guy time and time again what he did with my stuff. He told me lots of things. Eventually he told me where to go recover my stuff. I didn't threaten to burn him alive. I never said I would tie him to a tree and shoot him with a rifle. Never. Me?
Starting point is 01:24:42 Except for while you were beating him with nunchucks. Of course he's going to tell you eventually where it's at. You're beating him about the head and face with nunchucks. That doesn't sound like me. He clearly said I did not. He said I didn't pour boiling water on anyone. What are you talking about? He's a dick.
Starting point is 01:24:59 I teach special needs kids. I'm an Olympian, damn it. I have a Commonwealth medal. I didn't threaten to burn him alive. I didn an Olympian, damn it. I have a Commonwealth medal. I didn't threaten to burn him alive. I didn't threaten to burn him alive. If they have you in court denying that you threatened to burn someone alive, you're in deep shit. You're in trouble at that point.
Starting point is 01:25:16 You've gotten in way too deep. Yeah. So he's in deep now at this point. And on November 22nd, 2009, after 20 hours of deliberation. Wow. Because there was a lot of charges, basically, because he will go through some of them here. The jury finds Waithe of he find him not guilty of six counts of possessing firearms and one count of possessing explosives, but guilty on the count of possessing firearms with endangered with intent to endanger life and conspiracy to supply cocaine. So not great for him.
Starting point is 01:25:49 Twenty-three people total were from this gang that were brought down from this Operation Malbec. So not a bad job by the cops there. They sentenced people to over 150 years total, which I still think is low. In this country, if you get caught with that kind of operation, you're getting 150 years on your own. Each one. And everyone else is getting it there. They're like, well, maybe they can be. But their sentences are more realistic, too, and we'll get into here in a second.
Starting point is 01:26:13 Assistant Chief Constable Andy Marsh. That sounds British and official, doesn't it? I am the Assistant Chief Constable. It sounds like he's got a bowler and a mustache and he's swinging a billy club. That bowler is so clean. Oh, it's clean and it's high. He's a wind roller. High and clean.
Starting point is 01:26:28 Yeah. He says about the convictions, he says, quote, it's a fantastic result. What I'm most pleased about is the streets of Avon and Somerset are much safer because we've got some really dangerous people behind bars. We have been dismantling, disrupting, and destroying their criminal network for over the last three years. All right. He's proud of himself. He's so happy. He's psyched, man.
Starting point is 01:26:48 Detective Superintendent Arthur Lewis, again, back to him, said, quote, throughout the inquiries, we've been grateful for the level of support we've received from the witnesses, local residents, and local communities. We will continue to be relentless in pursuing, prosecuting, and bringing to justice people who commit offenses of this nature. All right. Not taking any shit. They're taking a victory lap right now. That is total victory lap time for them. Let's see here. Now, December 2009, the Withy Wood Community School that he worked at updates their schoolsnet.com profile.
Starting point is 01:27:21 I wonder why. I found their schoolsnet.com profile for the school, and I was looking up a bunch of shit. Yeah, I'm an idiot. Yeah, I'm looking up shit. You never know, right? And I don't know if they had staff or something on there, but they said last updated December 2009. And this is now in 2017. So they needed to update it one time.
Starting point is 01:27:39 They were like, wipe all record of that guy off the fucking works. Yeah, we need him gone. The judge, Judge Darwell Smith, gives the sentence for Waithe. And he says, we have a really good judge quote here. This is excellent. He says, quote, you had a reputation for violence. You were Rodel's muscle and enforcer. At one stage, you poured boiling water over a victim.
Starting point is 01:28:04 During another incident, you held a man as Rodell put a lighted cigarette in his ear. You, sir, may fuck off. Fuck right off. Waithe is given a nominal sentence of 18 years, which means he is eligible for release after nine years, but will only be freed
Starting point is 01:28:20 when he is no longer considered to be a public threat. So basically, they said, you get your ass in that fucking cage, you maniac. And waith it out. Fuck. We almost got through it. Kicking the nuts from over here. We almost got there, Jimmy.
Starting point is 01:28:36 Damn it. You sir may waith it out. Bastard. You got me. You got me good. We really got to sit closer because your nuts are dangerously unkicked right now so that is a sentence right there so now if you look at this now he is he's in prison he's fucked man that leah murphy and her and her kid was born in jail that's so terrible
Starting point is 01:28:59 the pierces are destroyed the brooks can't imagine that was a clunly fucking childbirth no god and people have people have broken bones and they've had lit cigarettes in their ears by The Pierce's are destroyed. The Brooks's. I can't imagine that was a cleanly fucking childbirth. No, God. And people have broken bones. They've had lit cigarettes in their ears. By the way, the man who had the tan in the toaster, Andy Murray, had leukemia at the time. They were torturing him when they put a lit cigarette in his ear. They put a cancer patient's hand in a toaster. And a lit cigarette in his ear.
Starting point is 01:29:20 These people, you have them. You have, God, their families. Poor brother Frank is, you know, his jerry curls drying out with sadness from him. I feel bad for all these people, Jimmy. I feel bad for all these people, but not nearly, not nearly as bad as I feel for James Waithe, a journeyman construction worker in the greater New York area. Or James Waithe, owner of a Mazda dealership in Richmond, Virginia. Or James Waithe, owner of a Mazda dealership in Richmond, Virginia.
Starting point is 01:29:50 There are Mazdas all over Virginia with James Waithe's name all over the back. We don't know that because on his profile, on his LinkedIn profile, it just says, quote, owner Mazda. So I'm not sure if he owns a dealership or he just owns a Mazda. He just loves his Mazda 3. He's very excited about it. That's all it is. Hi, James, Mazda owner. Zoom, zoom. Zoom He's very excited about it. That's all it is. Hi, James, Mazda owner. Zoom, zoom.
Starting point is 01:30:10 Maybe that's all he was after. I don't know. James Waithe, construction worker in Lima, Ohio. By judging by his MySpace profile picture, it's still up. I'm on MySpace looking people up. Guys, I'm telling you. Patreon.com. He is really into
Starting point is 01:30:26 model airplanes, it looks like. Really? His profile picture is him down on one knee with one of those toy airplanes. We're fucking dark. You know, like a remote control. One of those. Fucking nerd. He is registered to vote in Allen County, Ohio. Alright. And there is way too much information on the internet about this guy.
Starting point is 01:30:41 I could have given you this guy's way more than James. His family, his background, where he's from, his ancestry. This dude, James Waithe, the third. By the way, he's at the third. He's a junior plus one. How is he not fucked up? He did fuck up.
Starting point is 01:30:58 He got in a model plane. That's true. He's broke as fuck. No shit. He's spending all his construction money on airplanes. This poor bastard, man. This is the guy I feel. But get your shit. He's spending all his construction money on airplanes. This poor bastard, man. This is the guy I feel. Get your shit off the internet. There is so much information about you on the internet.
Starting point is 01:31:10 That's too bad. It's scary. If I wanted to ruin this guy, I think I have enough information to do it. So be careful. And finally, and most of all, I feel bad for James Waithe, who's an IT service desk analyst at Atua BBA in the UK. Oh, no. Yeah, he's a black dude in the UK named James Wade.
Starting point is 01:31:29 That's terrible. So that's bad because so is our friend here, Mr. James Wade. On March 5th, 2010, Craig Rodell is sentenced. He's sentenced to a minimum of eight years in prison. He got less time than Waithe, I guess because they considered the violence, but I mean the violence is on his behest. No doubt. It's because of him. On his behalf.
Starting point is 01:31:51 It's his work that caused it. Yeah, but apparently that's all you need for them. I suppose. May 13th, 2011 they appeal, there's an appeal of a sentence for Waithe. Of the sentence. They can of the sentence they can appeal the sentence just that uh judge lang staff said the relationship between uh rodell and james wasn't
Starting point is 01:32:12 quote quote wasn't of boss and servant it was of armor and armored so he basically said he didn't you weren't his little call you know a beck and call boy you were enjoying it you were his muscle you stood right by him. You were his armor. So that makes a lot of sense, actually. He said, quote, in conclusion, we have decided that there is no proper argument that the sentence imposed upon the appellant are out of step with those imposed on Mr. Rodell. Keep fucking off.
Starting point is 01:32:39 Keep fucking off. Go wait it out. So there you have it. Fuck you. off go wait it out so there you happy fuck you so in 2011 uh the court is uh going for the now this is one thing they do over there they do here too court is going for now confiscation hearings really so what they do over there take all his shit take all his shit but it's also like here basically whatever they confiscate they keep that shit and that's what they got basically if you they'll look for all your assets and whatever they find shit, and that's what they got, basically. They'll look for all your assets, and whatever they find, they find, but that's it.
Starting point is 01:33:07 They don't say, like, you owe us $5 million now, and then you owe them $5 million. Over there, they do a confiscation hearing, which means you have to pay this much money if they feel that you have and that you're hiding. Awesome. And if you don't, you get an extended sentence. Awesome. So it's a completely different deal over there. So they do this.
Starting point is 01:33:26 They want everything from this gang. They want it all. Deputy Chief Prosecutor Vicki Cook said, quote, cash, boats, houses, pets can be very expensive. They're all assets we'll look to confiscate. Fantastic. She's looking to get somebody's dog in there. We are going to get that dog. We're going to take everything, including the Pomeranian.
Starting point is 01:33:44 We want it all. Yeah. Get him groomed up because We are going to get that dog. We're going to take everything, including the Pomeranian. We want it all. Get him groomed up because we're coming to get him. I hope it was worth a lot of money because we're going to sell it. Definitely. We're going to sell your fucking dog. That's what they're doing. That's awesome. We're going to sell your dog.
Starting point is 01:33:56 Now, September 1st, 2011. That's ruthless. That is ruthless. That's what gangsters do. They say that shit. Short of poiling. We're going to kill your fucking dog if you don't pay us. The cops are doing that.
Starting point is 01:34:07 Short of pouring boiling water on someone, that's about all you can do. That's gangster shit. That's the government version of gangster right there. The prosecutor said the gang made $70 million total in their operations. Dr. Christy Cagram, who's with the financial investigation Unit of the Avon Somerset Police, said, quote, it is not acceptable that criminals benefit from illegal activities and we will relentlessly pursue them through the courts to ensure their money is taken. I don't disagree. By doing this, we show criminals that they will not benefit from crime and hopefully deter others from entering a life of crime. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:34:43 Well, yeah. But eventually you got that. But he still got to wear Rolexes, and that's what people see, so that's not going to work. Stare at giant diamonds. Because everyone thinks, if only I could do that without the getting caught part, I got this. And I think that's what—no one expects to get caught and get their shit taken, I feel like. Otherwise, they wouldn't get million-dollar diamonds and $10 million worth of watches. They would just make some money and then run away to Barbados and live under a palm tree.
Starting point is 01:35:06 That's a good point, too. He left the brilliant place to go somewhere to go deal in drugs. Unbelievable. I mean, get out after. I wouldn't have to do anything illegal making boatloads of cash for more than two months. No. To fucking live a life fantastically. Never going to hear from me again.
Starting point is 01:35:21 Bye. So the judge in this case orders both Rodell and Waithe to pay back $1 million each. Whoa. They want a million. That's on top of all the shit they've already taken. Detective Constable Chris Taylor says, quote, this brings an end to a complex inquiry into a serious criminal network, the type of which causes fear in our communities. This judgment will take that fear and place it squarely at the feet of organized crime. You betcha.
Starting point is 01:35:45 So they're trying to say, yeah, because now they have to pay that back or they're going to prison longer. Now he can appeal this, though, and the appeal comes down in May of 2012. A three-judge panel said that the original judge, Simon Darwell Smith, the, you know, you sir may fuck off judge, quote, reached conclusions which were obliged, which we are obliged to conclude were not open to him. So basically said he fucked up the judge by assuming that Waithe was, basically they were saying that he assumed that Waithe was like let in on the profits, that he was a profit, a profiting member of this rather than an employee.
Starting point is 01:36:23 Right. And they say more like he's an employee. He's a shareholder. He's a shareholder. They're saying he's not a shareholder. He's just an employee making a salary. Oh, he wouldn't have a million dollars. They were just paying him his two thousand dollar a week salary.
Starting point is 01:36:36 But the court's saying he is a shareholder. And well, no, no. The court's saying he's not saying he's not a shareholder. So he doesn't need to pay a million. A million was too much. And they said to him, I mean, his lawyers were saying, like, look, he's an employee. He made $2,000 a week. And out of that $204,000 or whatever that he made that year, he spent it all.
Starting point is 01:36:56 All he has is the $250 that he had on him when he was arrested. He said that's all he owns in the world, which I find very hard to believe. But that's what they're telling him. is that that's all he owns in the world, which I find very hard to believe. But that's what they're telling him. They reduced the order that he has to pay from $1 million. What do you think they're going to reduce it to? And $900,000.
Starting point is 01:37:13 $900,000. They reduced it to 254 pounds. What? $4 more than he had in his pocket. Wow. I don't know what they were like. We each need a pack of Hubba Bubba. They really fucking convinced him.
Starting point is 01:37:25 They convinced him. It's the $250 you had and then like $4 because we're going to get a cheeseburger. Press some license plates and hook us up. That's it. So then he's reduced to that. Unbelievable. So, yeah. But he's still fucking off for the time.
Starting point is 01:37:39 That's it. He's on for the time. It's nine years, like I said, until he's deemed not a threat to society, apparently. The prosecutors were still insisting he has hidden assets of over a million dollars. I bet he does. But you know what? Prove it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:56 He's going to get out and go back to Barbados and be fine the rest of his life. He should. Yeah. I hope he does. If I was him, just stop torturing people. Just don't torture people. Guys, we've said this a lot with different things. We've been like, hey, guys, please do us a favor while you're out there. Don't rape anybody.
Starting point is 01:38:07 Just don't be a dick. Don't be a dick. Don't rape. Don't rob. Don't knock people over the head. Just don't torture people. Don't firebomb houses. Don't firebomb houses.
Starting point is 01:38:16 That was the first hint that this was going to go awry. I'm like, oh, that's nice. He's in the games. He's a sensei over here. Oh, he firebombed a man's house. He damaged his car. And a guy's got leukemia. Oh, he firebombed a man's house and he damaged his car. And a guy's got leukemia. How about he's about to die anyway. Leave him alone.
Starting point is 01:38:29 Put his hand in a toaster. He's got to pay up. God damn it. This is what I'm saying. These guys were, this is a crew of animals, man. It's a crew of animals. It's insane. And that's James Waith and he's still sitting in prison. Waithing it out. We're going to get to shout outs in a second here.
Starting point is 01:38:45 I just want to tell you guys also, please tune in this week. What we're going to do is we have a new podcast coming out. And I hope you've been listening to the other new podcasts that kind of our group put out here, the PS I Hate This Movie. But me and Jimmy have something of our own. We have two new ones, but one now and one a little later. One now is a small town murder. So please subscribe to that small town murder.
Starting point is 01:39:09 We're going to put a preview episode. Yes, I bitched about preview episodes. And God damn it, I have a huge bitch about a preview episode this fucking week because a show came out. This is ridiculous. A show came out. Did you see this, Jimmy? Have you been looking at iTunes charts this week? I try my best to fucking stay away because I get enraged oh man did i get enraged well i look at the itunes
Starting point is 01:39:28 charts and i see a show that's number one overall oh no how is that show number one overall it's brand new i'm not even talking in its category overall of everything everything and i look at it and i'm looking into it and basically a network, a podcast network, which you know are my favorite, they put out this podcast out. It's on this network. And what they did is every single podcast on that network put the first episode in their feed. Bastards. So if you subscribe to Go Fuck Yourself Weekly and you click on to it, that podcast that you didn't even subscribe to is in the feed. Go fuck yourself weekly to spread it.
Starting point is 01:40:08 They all talked about it incessantly on this shit and pumped it up to number one. And you know what? We can't do that. We don't have that. We don't have that capability. You know what? We have us. We're comics.
Starting point is 01:40:17 We're not journalists. Like I said, we don't have a big network. We don't have any of this shit. We have you guys. We have you guys. So please, guys, spread the word of small town murder. We are going to do the same douchebag fuckhead thing and put it in
Starting point is 01:40:27 our feed of crime and sports so you guys can find it more easily. And then please go subscribe to it. Help us out with that. Rate, review on iTunes. Even though you've heard it'll be a four-minute description of us, go ahead and rate it five stars and say how great it is. Like all these people. Oh, this shit's amazing. Like all the networks, hire
Starting point is 01:40:44 the fucking people to do and hire, you know, whoever to go, hey, everybody, everybody, it's a little bonus these people. Oh, this shit's amazing. Like all the networks hire the fucking people to do and hire, you know, whoever to go, hey, everybody, everybody, it's a little bonus this week if you don't get on iTunes. So rather than do that,
Starting point is 01:40:51 help us out organically and the real way because it's going to be a show. The right way. The right way. It's just like this. It's a show about, it's murders that take place
Starting point is 01:40:59 in small towns, weird little small town politics mixed with odd stories. I'll tell you right now. The governor's fucking the victim's wife or some shit. I love that stuff. I have a great story, Locked and Loaded. For the first episode, it's a story about, it's a story, it's in Italy of all places.
Starting point is 01:41:16 And it's probably the craziest story I've ever heard. All up and down looking for DNA. Awesome. Thinking they found the right person, but not because their DNA is also theirs of other people and their families. Fascinating. It's an insane case. I can't wait to hear it.
Starting point is 01:41:31 There's bodies being dug up. It's wild and it's just a disaster in these small, weird, northern Italian mountains. And it's real. And it's real as shit. It's going to be amazing. This should happen. And on Crime and Sports, we have some amazing stuff coming up in the next one, Jimmy. For our anniversary episode. Oh, it's going to be amazing. This should happen. And on Crime and Sports, we have some amazing stuff coming up in the next one, Jimmy. For our anniversary episode.
Starting point is 01:41:48 Oh, it's going to be so fun. Our anniversary. I believe it'll be our 53rd or 54th. I think it's our 54th episode because we did 53. Yeah, there was 53 weeks because of the leap year. The leap. Well, Ryan Leaf, we did an extra. We did a bonus.
Starting point is 01:41:59 That too. So there will be 54. So I think this will be our 54th episode, if I'm not mistaken. But we'll say in big letters, one year anniversary. And we have a serial killer. You betcha. An actual athlete. A real one.
Starting point is 01:42:09 Who is a serial killer. And it's probably one you've not heard much about, but he killed a shitload of people. So many. And it's crazy. It's a crazy story that leaks on for decades with bodies. And it's wild. We also have a Russian who tore a man's heart out of his chest. We have killers, rapists, murderers.
Starting point is 01:42:26 It's insane. The fun part about the anniversary one is that we're going to go through it. Yes. And then on Thursday, you will get the conclusion. So we'll give you two that week because everybody's screaming about wanting two episodes. Yeah. So we're going to piece it together and give you tons of information on Tuesday. And then on Thursday, we'll give you the money shot.
Starting point is 01:42:46 That will be for the anniversary. Right. Because it's honestly so much fun. So much. It's too much for an episode. There's so many bodies. I don't want to do a four-hour episode and torture you. Ruin your fucking day.
Starting point is 01:42:55 We'll break it up over the course of the week. We'll get two shots that week. But it's going to be so much fun. That's my favorite part about it. It's going to be a blast. But guys, we have so many shout-outs to get to. It's so deep. Please, guys. This week. Number one to get a shout out. First of all, please rate review on iTunes. Tell us you like us. Give us five stars. Tell us you're following
Starting point is 01:43:14 instructions or whatever kind of jargon you want to do. But that helps us out so much. And if you want to help the show out further, please get on Patreon dot com slash crime and sports. Donate to the show. First of all, you'll we are the most thankful for that of anything. We are just blown away by that. It helps us so much. It helps us, first of all, run the show, operate the show, buy equipment we need for the show, like note cards and things like that that are more expensive than you'd think. Not only that, it helps us also. I can subscribe to websites that have old newspapers and things like that,
Starting point is 01:43:45 and I can get you the best research humanly possible, which I'm trying my best right now. But please get on that. It's super, super important. And if you want to just shout us out on social media, that'll also get you a shout out. If you want to follow us at Crime and Sports on Twitter and Instagram, Crime and Sports on Facebook, and also CrimeandSports at gmail.com if you want to drop us a line. And let's hear about some of the great people that talked to us this week, Jimmy. You can find me on Twitter, at WhismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N sucks,
Starting point is 01:44:13 and that's on Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat. Two people on Snapchat that I love are Sam in London and Sausage in Wales. Those guys are a lot of fun. Also, too, at Jimmy P is funny. There you go. Find him, too. And Sarah Ugaloni. Sarah Ugalini. I know her. Oh, do you? Does she shout us out?
Starting point is 01:44:32 She talks about us constantly on the page. Really? Yeah, she's over there liking things. Sarah, I went to kindergarten with Sarah. Hilarious. I have known Sarah my entire life. Ugalini is all over the place. She's a terrific girl. She was one of my best friends in high school. Really, really good person.
Starting point is 01:44:47 Brendan Bland. And then Nicole Dimmesdale saw a picture of us on Instagram. And going back to us being thankful, she said, you two are so good looking. And it made my week. She changed on her Facebook page. She has we're not fucking about as her background picture. That's pretty fucking dope. She's blind, but good for her.
Starting point is 01:45:08 That's terrific. She's blind, but she figured out how to change her. She's got cataracts, but she's a nice lady. Thank you, Nicole. And then Janita Rauta. I don't know. That's a weird spelling. R-A-U-T-A.
Starting point is 01:45:19 I don't know her. But she's very nice as well. Talk to us. Sarah Bauer Moxley, Sophie Louise in Gloucester. Is that it? Gloucester? I don't know. You mispronounce the name and have them yell at you.
Starting point is 01:45:31 Catherine Trendy, KM Davis, Tony Valenti, Logan Ross in Bama, Janet Leonard, and Jess in Bardstown, Kentucky. She's new. And Ellen in Iowa. She's also new. Awesome. Belle Verga, Liam Cook. I believe he's in England. It sounds like England. Liam Cook. Yeah, he's new. And Ellen in Iowa. She's also new. Awesome. Belle Verga. Liam Cook. I believe he's in England.
Starting point is 01:45:47 It sounds like England. Liam Cook. Yeah, he's English. Sorry, Liam. Anthony Buckley. Bob Carmack. Slim Noodle. That's pretty dope.
Starting point is 01:45:53 I dig that name. If you're not British, you're British now, Liam. Sorry. Shannon at Falmouth Elementary. I like Falmouth. Yeah, I like that too. She's a teacher. Lethal Weapons on iTunes.
Starting point is 01:46:09 Benjamin Jacquard, Danny Crane, and Richard Birmingham. Thank you guys so, so much. And Kerrigan in Baltimore, still thinking about your little boy. He hasn't had a surgery yet. They postponed it. It's coming up in a couple weeks. So thoughts to Aiden. Keep thinking about that little guy.
Starting point is 01:46:25 Poor guy. Yeah, man. Jeez. Help him out. Does he have a Patreon? Also, too, Stephen Schnell. Did we mention Stephen Schnell? We have before in the past.
Starting point is 01:46:32 Okay, Stephen Schnell threw some money at us on Patreon. So thank you, Stephen. Thank you, Stephen. Now, that means the world to us and helps us out so much. It really does. Thank you all for listening, especially all those people, because you've been interacting and tweeting and talking to us. And that's fucking huge.
Starting point is 01:46:47 No, it means the world to us. And our girls. Our girls went to the fucking Hockey Hall of Fame. That was amazing. Yeah. We have to shout that out. That was amazing. That was Tell My Pimp I Quit and BG Bandita, right?
Starting point is 01:47:00 Yeah. Yeah. The girls on Twitter. Thank you guys for doing that. That was really cool. And thinking of us the fact that you would go out of your way to go somewhere because of us because of us is awesome you guys paid a cover charge to get into something because of us no absolutely that's huge we cannot
Starting point is 01:47:14 thank you guys enough for that we can't thank you for everything you do for us because it's it's we can't thank you enough for everything you do for us because it really means the world to us honestly keeps us going and it makes us feel like we're doing something right. And helping you get through your fucking work week because I know it sucks for me too. Yeah, man. So we're trying. We're trying. Thank you, guys.
Starting point is 01:47:31 You've helped us so immensely, really. Like I can't tell you guys, but like I said, we don't have a network. When we say that, we don't have 15 other podcasts that will put us on our feed when we need a little pump. We just have you guys that bother your friends and say, please listen to this podcast. These guys are funny or these guys are assholes and you'll hate them listening. Whatever. Whatever you
Starting point is 01:47:54 do to get people to listen to it, we can't tell you how much we appreciate it because it means the world to us and it keeps us going, honestly. It keeps this going. We're going to do this forever. By the way, we had a guy on Twitter this week say that you guys are going to run out of stuff. No, it's not going to happen.
Starting point is 01:48:12 I have about 100 guys on my board at home, and that's just like scratching the surface off the top of my head. So we have at least three more years of this off the top of my head right now, about 150. And that's without anyone else fucking up, without any more disasters. And every week somebody posts something on our Twitter feed or on our Facebook page of somebody that just fucked up and caught another case. And those guys are just going to keep fucking going down that road. So I'm fine with it. I found, and there's some too that I'm waiting for.
Starting point is 01:48:44 There's a case I'm fine with it I found and there's some too that I'm waiting for this case I'm dying for it's a baseball player a minor league baseball player who beat three people to death with a baseball bat is incredible and it's deep too because he was like he was in a psych hold in a hospital they let him go because room there was no room yeah it's insane the story and I'm waiting for the trial and it's just not happening. I'm like, try this fucking guy already so I can talk about it. It's just as good as the hammer murdering his best friend with a hammer. Oh, that's amazing.
Starting point is 01:49:12 Same thing. I don't think anything's as good as that. The baseball player killing three people. Including his father, by the way. Including family members. I can't wait. It's incredible. We're going to have a lot of fun. These are the stories. I mean, they're going to keep coming. They're going to keep coming. We have a lot of murder. Stick around. Get comfortable. God damn they're going to keep coming. They're going to keep coming. We have a lot of murder. Stick around. Get comfortable.
Starting point is 01:49:26 God damn it. It's all coming towards you. Guys, can't thank you enough. We'll be back next week, as always, live from the Crime and Sports studios. We'll see you next week. Bye. Play. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Crime and Sports early and ad-free on Amazon Music.
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